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           1. 11:06 PM - SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER  (Moe Mills)
      
      
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER
COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 08, 2012
Hi Moe, Last I knew: N55GL, 680F(P) s/n 1200-104, was derelict at Berry Hill, Georgia. Info from a photo taken in January 2011. N27GA, 680F(P) s/n 1212-111, was derelict at Corona, California. Info from a photo taken in February 2011. N70QT, 680F(P) s/n 1208-109, was being parted out by Mountain Air LLC., Marion, Iowa following its accident in July 2009. If none of these prove fruitful, I'll try some of the other Models. Very Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 08 February 2012 07:03 Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight
Date: Feb 08, 2012
Dear Commander Gurus' : We started to lose hydraulic pressure in my 690A commander .Pressure went from 900# to 500# . We followed emergency procedure which calls for the pulling of the breaker for the aux. hydraulic pump and continued the flight .Then as is procedure we pushed in the breaker and the gear came down without a problem.. My question is why not fly with the aux. hydraulic breaker pulled all the time? This would prevent loss of all fluid if you did not catch the loss soon enough. Any comments ? Nick N674NM From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:08 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER Hi Moe, Last I knew: N55GL, 680F(P) s/n 1200-104, was derelict at Berry Hill, Georgia. Info from a photo taken in January 2011. N27GA, 680F(P) s/n 1212-111, was derelict at Corona, California. Info from a photo taken in February 2011. N70QT, 680F(P) s/n 1208-109, was being parted out by Mountain Air LLC., Marion, Iowa following its accident in July 2009. If none of these prove fruitful, I'll try some of the other Models. Very Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 08 February 2012 07:03 Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER
At 11:03 PM 2/7/2012 Tuesday, you wrote: >COMMANDERLAND' > >DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A >680t >680flp >680F(p) > >THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? > >THANX! > >Moe Mills >N680RR >680F(p) Moe, There's a crusty Commander at Livermore (KLVK) that has been just sitting neglected for 10 years or so now. I don't have the N-number, but you could call the airport manager and find out who owns it and what the story is. (925) 373-5392 Best regards, - Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log Status: 55+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode ________________________________________________________________________________
From: William Boelte <n55bz(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight
Date: Feb 08, 2012
This is the procedure which has been strongly advocated by our high priest, G ordon, for years. It sure makes life simple in the event of a hydraulic prob lem. Kindest regards, Bill On Feb 8, 2012, at 11:10, wrote: > Dear Commander Gurus=99 : > > We started to lose hydraulic pressure in my 690A commander .Pressure went f rom 900# to 500# . We followed emergency procedure which calls for the pulli ng of the breaker for the aux. hydraulic pump and continued the flight .Then as is procedure we pushed in the breaker and the gear came down without a p roblem.. > > My question is why not fly with the aux. hydraulic breaker pulled all the t ime? This would prevent loss of all fluid if you did not catch the loss soon enough > > > > Any comments ? Nick N674NM > > > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:08 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER > > > > Hi Moe, > > > > Last I knew: > > > > N55GL, 680F(P) s/n 1200-104, was derelict at Berry Hill, Georgia. Info fro m a photo taken in January 2011. > > > > N27GA, 680F(P) s/n 1212-111, was derelict at Corona, California. Info from a photo taken in February 2011. > > > > N70QT, 680F(P) s/n 1208-109, was being parted out by Mountain Air LLC., Ma rion, Iowa following its accident in July 2009. > > > > If none of these prove fruitful, I=99ll try some of the other Models . > > > > Very Best Regards, > > Barry > > > > > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills > Sent: 08 February 2012 07:03 > To: Com > Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER > > > > COMMANDERLAND' > > DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A > 680t > 680flp > 680F(p) > > THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? > > THANX! > > Moe Mills > N680RR > 680F(p) > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight
Date: Feb 08, 2012
Nick, I was trained on my 500B to "rotate, gear up, flaps up, pull aux breaker". Most of the piston guys were trained the same, from what I know. I think it's a good way to fly. I also speak from the 'other side' having had a complete hydraulic failure that resulted in a very gentle nosegear collapse about 7 years ago. That was really from my own stupidity, having regained some hydraulic pressure after the failure, and thinking I could cycle the gear. I broke the cardinal rule: DON'T TOUCH THE GEAR HANDLE once you've put it down. Also, guessing that there is some system commonality between my 500B and your 690A, it would be worth pointing out (IIRC) that the aux pump only operates the flaps, brakes and steering. 500# from the aux either isn't enough oomf or enough volume to run the gear and I think it's not in the same circuit. I could be wrong on this but I don't think so. On the bright side, even if you have zero hydraulic pressure, the gear will come down and lock by just putting the gear handle down. Cheers, /J From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nick(at)container.com Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight Dear Commander Gurus' : We started to lose hydraulic pressure in my 690A commander .Pressure went from 900# to 500# . We followed emergency procedure which calls for the pulling of the breaker for the aux. hydraulic pump and continued the flight .Then as is procedure we pushed in the breaker and the gear came down without a problem.. My question is why not fly with the aux. hydraulic breaker pulled all the time? This would prevent loss of all fluid if you did not catch the loss soon enough. Any comments ? Nick N674NM From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:08 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER Hi Moe, Last I knew: N55GL, 680F(P) s/n 1200-104, was derelict at Berry Hill, Georgia. Info from a photo taken in January 2011. N27GA, 680F(P) s/n 1212-111, was derelict at Corona, California. Info from a photo taken in February 2011. N70QT, 680F(P) s/n 1208-109, was being parted out by Mountain Air LLC., Marion, Iowa following its accident in July 2009. If none of these prove fruitful, I'll try some of the other Models. Very Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 08 February 2012 07:03 Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2012
From: swperk(at)earthlink.net
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER
Is it this one? Cut and paste these coordinates into Google Maps and zoom in: 37.690789,-121.810109 If so, it looks like a bathtub-nacelle Commander. Stan -----Original Message----- >From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> >Sent: Feb 8, 2012 9:12 AM >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER > > >At 11:03 PM 2/7/2012 Tuesday, you wrote: >>COMMANDERLAND' >> >>DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A >>680t >>680flp >>680F(p) >> >>THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? >> >>THANX! >> >>Moe Mills >>N680RR >>680F(p) > >Moe, > >There's a crusty Commander at Livermore (KLVK) that has been just sitting neglected for 10 years or so now. I don't have the N-number, but you could call the airport manager and find out who owns it and what the story is. >(925) 373-5392 > >Best regards, > >- >Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle > >RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" >http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log >http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log >http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel >Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > >RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" >http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log >Status: 55+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight
Date: Feb 08, 2012
John, When I pushed in the aux hyd breaker the pressure went back up to 900# ..maybe residual hyd fluid flowed back in the tank ? .I also had pulled the breaker for the gear thinking it might help stop the flow from the unknown location . Later we found that O rings were leaking..nick From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:38 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight Nick, I was trained on my 500B to "rotate, gear up, flaps up, pull aux breaker". Most of the piston guys were trained the same, from what I know. I think it's a good way to fly. I also speak from the 'other side' having had a complete hydraulic failure that resulted in a very gentle nosegear collapse about 7 years ago. That was really from my own stupidity, having regained some hydraulic pressure after the failure, and thinking I could cycle the gear. I broke the cardinal rule: DON'T TOUCH THE GEAR HANDLE once you've put it down. Also, guessing that there is some system commonality between my 500B and your 690A, it would be worth pointing out (IIRC) that the aux pump only operates the flaps, brakes and steering. 500# from the aux either isn't enough oomf or enough volume to run the gear and I think it's not in the same circuit. I could be wrong on this but I don't think so. On the bright side, even if you have zero hydraulic pressure, the gear will come down and lock by just putting the gear handle down. Cheers, /J From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nick(at)container.com Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight Dear Commander Gurus' : We started to lose hydraulic pressure in my 690A commander .Pressure went from 900# to 500# . We followed emergency procedure which calls for the pulling of the breaker for the aux. hydraulic pump and continued the flight .Then as is procedure we pushed in the breaker and the gear came down without a problem.. My question is why not fly with the aux. hydraulic breaker pulled all the time? This would prevent loss of all fluid if you did not catch the loss soon enough. Any comments ? Nick N674NM From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:08 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER Hi Moe, Last I knew: N55GL, 680F(P) s/n 1200-104, was derelict at Berry Hill, Georgia. Info from a photo taken in January 2011. N27GA, 680F(P) s/n 1212-111, was derelict at Corona, California. Info from a photo taken in February 2011. N70QT, 680F(P) s/n 1208-109, was being parted out by Mountain Air LLC., Marion, Iowa following its accident in July 2009. If none of these prove fruitful, I'll try some of the other Models. Very Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 08 February 2012 07:03 Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/07/12
Date: Feb 08, 2012
Dan=2C You sir=2C have been misinformed! The one in Farmington is a real cream pu ff. No Regards Moe N680RR > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/07/12 > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > From: daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com > Date: Wed=2C 8 Feb 2012 08:12:02 +0000 > > > Moe. I have heard of one in Farmington. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Commander-List Digest Server <commander-list(at)matronics.com> > Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > Date: Tue=2C 7 Feb 2012 23:56:30 > To: Commander-List Digest List > Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/07/12 > > * > > ======================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== > > Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html& Chapter 12-02-07&Archive=Commander > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&C hapter 12-02-07&Archive=Commander > > > ======================== ======================= > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== ======================= > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Commander-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Tue 02/07/12: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 11:06 PM - SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER (Moe Mills) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________ _______ > > > From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> > Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER > > > COMMANDERLAND' > > DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A > 680t > 680flp > 680F(p) > > THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? > > THANX! > > Moe Mills > N680RR > 680F(p) > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 09, 2012
Moe, Try General Aviation Maintenance, Essendon Aerodrome, Melbourne, AU, they are parting out a 680 FLP with IO-720s. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: mike floyd <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 08, 2012
What are you looking for Moe a cabin supercharger? From: wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Date: Thu=2C 9 Feb 2012 11:16:29 +1100 Moe=2C Try General Aviation Maintenance=2C Essendon Aerodrome=2C Melbourne=2C AU =2C they are parting out a 680 FLP with IO-720s. Cheers=2C Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Wednesday=2C February 08=2C 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics .comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 08, 2012
Mike=2C All I really need is the roller bearing for the Vickers hydraulic motor(#MF 033B007B) that drives the cabin supercharger. There are a lot of other ite ms that I would like to have if they were available at a good price. McGill made the bearing (# VS-211490) but does not have it avail. SKF made a bea ring (#NU1910E) that was very similar=2C however=2C no one has one in stock that I can find. I have received two quotes for a rebuilt motor (1) $ 14=2C500.00 exchange + $ 9=2C500 core charge and they will back bill me for any unusable parts in my unit. (2) $ 19=2C880.00 EXCHANGE + $ 9=2C500.00 core charge. Both pri ces of course do not include freight and taxes. Both quotes had extended l ead times. It is my understanding that the MR. RPM conversions used turbocharger bleed air instead of a cabin supercharger=2C which would unfortunately rule out Mason's old plane (N70QT) and the plane that Bill references in Australia. Photos of N55GL (derelict in Berry Hill=2C GA) show it to not have an air scoop on the top which leads me to believe that it is a 680F and not a 680F (p). I will try to confirm this tomorrow. Without the cabin supercharger not only can the cabin not be pressurized=2C the heater will not work=2C as this supercharger supplies the air for the heater both on the ground and in the air. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and help. Obviously=2C any addition al suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards=2C Moe N680RR 680F(p) From: floydgm(at)hotmail.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Date: Wed=2C 8 Feb 2012 18:58:43 -0700 What are you looking for Moe a cabin supercharger? From: wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Date: Thu=2C 9 Feb 2012 11:16:29 +1100 Moe=2C Try General Aviation Maintenance=2C Essendon Aerodrome=2C Melbourne=2C AU =2C they are parting out a 680 FLP with IO-720s. Cheers=2C Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Wednesday=2C February 08=2C 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics .comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 08, 2012
Stan=2C Thanks much for that. It does appear that this is a bathtub-nacelle Comman der. Regards=2C Moe N680RR > Date: Wed=2C 8 Feb 2012 09:53:30 -0800 > From: swperk(at)earthlink.net > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER > > > Is it this one? Cut and paste these coordinates into Google Maps and zoom in: > > 37.690789=2C-121.810109 > > If so=2C it looks like a bathtub-nacelle Commander. > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> > >Sent: Feb 8=2C 2012 9:12 AM > >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER > > > > > >At 11:03 PM 2/7/2012 Tuesday=2C you wrote: > >>COMMANDERLAND' > >> > >>DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A > >>680t > >>680flp > >>680F(p) > >> > >>THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? > >> > >>THANX! > >> > >>Moe Mills > >>N680RR > >>680F(p) > > > >Moe=2C > > > >There's a crusty Commander at Livermore (KLVK) that has been just sittin g neglected for 10 years or so now. I don't have the N-number=2C but you co uld call the airport manager and find out who owns it and what the story is . > >(925) 373-5392 > > > >Best regards=2C > > > >- > >Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle > > > >RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > >http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > >http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > >http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > >Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > > >RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" > >http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log > >Status: 55+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete=3B Now In Full Flye r Mode > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2012
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER
From: Morris Kernick <comserv500s(at)GMAIL.COM>
The airplane in Livermore is a 560A-HC, N382JH, S/N 382. Morris On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Moe Mills wrote: > Stan, > > Thanks much for that. It does appear that this is a bathtub-nacelle > Commander. > > Regards, > > Moe > N680RR > >> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:53:30 -0800 >> From: swperk(at)earthlink.net > >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER >> >> >> Is it this one? Cut and paste these coordinates into Google Maps and zoom >> in: >> >> 37.690789,-121.810109 >> >> If so, it looks like a bathtub-nacelle Commander. >> >> Stan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> >> >Sent: Feb 8, 2012 9:12 AM >> >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER >> > >> > >> >At 11:03 PM 2/7/2012 Tuesday, you wrote: >> >>COMMANDERLAND' >> >> >> >>DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A >> >>680t >> >>680flp >> >>680F(p) >> >> >> >>THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? >> >> >> >>THANX! >> >> >> >>Moe Mills >> >>N680RR >> >>680F(p) >> > >> >Moe, >> > >> >There's a crusty Commander at Livermore (KLVK) that has been just sitting >> > neglected for 10 years or so now. I don't have the N-number, but you could >> > call the airport manager and find out who owns it and what the story is. >> >(925) 373-5392 >> > >> >Best regards, >> > >> >- >> >Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle >> > >> >RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" >> >http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log >> >http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log >> >http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel >> >Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... >> > >> >RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer" >> >http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log >> >Status: 55+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer >> > Mode >> > >> > >> &g====================== > &g====== >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 09, 2012
Hi Moe, N55GL is definitely a 680F(P). I have quite a few shots of it at Berry Hill, including one of the dorsal scoop itself, which is also visible in a few of the shots. Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 09 February 2012 03:11 Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Mike, All I really need is the roller bearing for the Vickers hydraulic motor(#MF033B007B) that drives the cabin supercharger. There are a lot of other items that I would like to have if they were available at a good price. McGill made the bearing (# VS-211490) but does not have it avail. SKF made a bearing (#NU1910E) that was very similar, however, no one has one in stock that I can find. I have received two quotes for a rebuilt motor (1) $ 14,500.00 exchange + $ 9,500 core charge and they will back bill me for any unusable parts in my unit. (2) $ 19,880.00 EXCHANGE + $ 9,500.00 core charge. Both prices of course do not include freight and taxes. Both quotes had extended lead times. It is my understanding that the MR. RPM conversions used turbocharger bleed air instead of a cabin supercharger, which would unfortunately rule out Mason's old plane (N70QT) and the plane that Bill references in Australia. Photos of N55GL (derelict in Berry Hill, GA) show it to not have an air scoop on the top which leads me to believe that it is a 680F and not a 680F(p). I will try to confirm this tomorrow. Without the cabin supercharger not only can the cabin not be pressurized, the heater will not work, as this supercharger supplies the air for the heater both on the ground and in the air. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and help. Obviously, any additional suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Moe N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: floydgm(at)hotmail.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:58:43 -0700 What are you looking for Moe a cabin supercharger? _____ From: wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:16:29 +1100 Moe, Try General Aviation Maintenance, Essendon Aerodrome, Melbourne, AU, they are parting out a 680 FLP with IO-720s. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "BillLeff1(at)aol.com" <BillLeff1(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 09, 2012
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Herry Merritt had motors and a complete 680FP when he pass away. I stopped by this summer and his hangar was cleaned out. I was told that his son moved it all if you can track him down Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone -----Original message----- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 11:53:39 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Hi Moe, N55GL is definitely a 680F(P). I have quite a few shots of it at Berry Hill, including one of the dorsal scoop itself, which is also visible in a few of the shots. Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 09 February 2012 03:11 Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Mike, All I really need is the roller bearing for the Vickers hydraulic motor(#MF033B007B) that drives the cabin supercharger. There are a lot of other items that I would like to have if they were available at a good price. McGill made the bearing (# VS-211490) but does not have it avail. SKF made a bearing (#NU1910E) that was very similar, however, no one has one in stock that I can find. I have received two quotes for a rebuilt motor (1) $ 14,500.00 exchange + $ 9,500 core charge and they will back bill me for any unusable parts in my unit. (2) $ 19,880.00 EXCHANGE + $ 9,500.00 core charge. Both prices of course do not include freight and taxes. Both quotes had extended lead times. It is my understanding that the MR. RPM conversions used turbocharger bleed air instead of a cabin supercharger, which would unfortunately rule out Mason's old plane (N70QT) and the plane that Bill references in Australia. Photos of N55GL (derelict in Berry Hill, GA) show it to not have an air scoop on the top which leads me to believe that it is a 680F ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 09, 2012
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From: "BillLeff1(at)aol.com" <BillLeff1(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 09, 2012
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Let me know if you get the contact info. I would be interested in some parts as well. I think his son lives in the Carolina's Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone -----Original message----- From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 16:46:06 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Hi Bill, I think that Morris went down and helped Harry's son "sort out the stuff". I was going to buy a couple of wheels and some other spares from them. If Morris or someone has Harry's sons contact info., could they please advise. I may be down there before too long. When this problem begain to develop, Morris was my first call, however, he doesn't have anything. Thanx much! Moe N680RR From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:05:08 -0500 Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Herry Merritt had motors and a complete 680FP when he pass away. I stopped by this summer and his hangar was cleaned out. I was told that his son moved it all if you can track him down Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone -----Original message----- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 11:53:39 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Hi Moe, N55GL is definitely a 680F(P). I have qui ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 10, 2012
Bill, It would probably be worth contacting General Aviation Maintenance Pty Ltd, Ph: + 61 3 9379 1019. Fax: +61 3 9374 2620 ..., to see what they have. Being a long way from anywhere, spares holding down here tend to be larger than the average MRO in US or Canada. You never know your luck. They might even have a line on alternative bearings that you are looking for. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BillLeff1(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:59 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Feb 09, 2012
I fly into Corona all the time to fuel up and have taxied by that Commander many times. Didn't know it was an FP. I'll try to find out more next time I'm in. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366005#366005 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Feb 09, 2012
Moe, could you not get a similar bearing from other manufacturer and just have a DER or a DAR sign it off as field mod? Seems like an awful lot of money to replace a whole unit just because the bearing can't be found... Is there no STC to convert the supercharger to something a bit cheaper? Something similar to the Peter Schiff CCU units for the 690? -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366006#366006 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 10, 2012
Adam=2C None of the bearings that are available have the correct I.D. to O.D. It i s impossible to machine the shaft to reduce the bearing I.D. requirement an d the housing is not thick enough to machine the housing by 2mm (approx. .0 80) to accomidate any bearing that is available. Also=2C Vickers used a be aring which is narrower than usual. Regards=2C Moe > Subject: Commander-List: Re: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER > From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com > Date: Thu=2C 9 Feb 2012 20:50:06 -0800 > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > Moe=2C could you not get a similar bearing from other manufacturer and ju st have a DER or a DAR sign it off as field mod? Seems like an awful lot of money to replace a whole unit just because the bearing can't be found... > > Is there no STC to convert the supercharger to something a bit cheaper? S omething similar to the Peter Schiff CCU units for the 690? > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366006#366006 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 10, 2012
Adam=2C Thanks=2C however=2C I was there last year and the only thing salvagable wa s the two doors above the oil filler caps. The plane is part of the old Ja ck Chapal fleet. I paid Kristy Stell (Jack's Daughter) for them and wound up selling one to Randy Detmire. I assume that you are speaking of the unp ainted plane on the southwest end of the airport. If not please tell me mo re. Thanks again. Regards. Moe N680RR > Subject: Commander-List: Re: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER > From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com > Date: Thu=2C 9 Feb 2012 20:43:28 -0800 > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > I fly into Corona all the time to fuel up and have taxied by that Command er many times. Didn't know it was an FP. I'll try to find out more next tim e I'm in. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366005#366005 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Feb 10, 2012
Moe, then we're talking about the same one. Too bad they let it go that far. Just for your info, there are two FP's for sale at Trade-A-Plane at the moment. Might be worth asking the sellers if they have a spare... -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366056#366056 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 11, 2012
Moe, Check with Ed Mege, He can probably repair it. Phone No.845 858 7825. ----- Original Message ----- From: stratobee<mailto:adam(at)adamfrisch.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 11:50 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER > Moe, could you not get a similar bearing from other manufacturer and just have a DER or a DAR sign it off as field mod? Seems like an awful lot of money to replace a whole unit just because the bearing can't be found... Is there no STC to convert the supercharger to something a bit cheaper? Something similar to the Peter Schiff CCU units for the 690? -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366006#366006 .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366006#366006> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 11, 2012
Lloyd=2C Thanks much=2C I will call him Tuesday. Regards=2C Moe From: lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Date: Sat=2C 11 Feb 2012 15:54:22 -0500 Moe=2C Check with Ed Mege=2C He can probably repair it. Phone No.845 858 78 25. ----- Original Message ----- From: stratobee Sent: Thursday=2C February 09=2C 2012 11:50 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Moe=2C could you not get a similar bearing from other manufacturer and just have a DER or a DAR sign it off as field mod? Seems like an awful lot of m oney to replace a whole unit just because the bearing can't be found... Is there no STC to convert the supercharger to something a bit cheaper? Som ething similar to the Peter Schiff CCU units for the 690? -------- Adam Read this topic online here:
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From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 12, 2012
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
You might try Richard Cam , he and Harry were friends . I think Richard is in St. Augustine , I`ll try to find his number . Gil In a message dated 2/9/2012 7:59:08 P.M. Central America Standard Ti, BillLeff1(at)aol.com writes: Let me know if you get the contact info. I would be interested in some parts as well. I think his son lives in the Carolina's Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone -----Original message----- From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 16:46:06 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Hi Bill, I think that Morris went down and helped Harry's son "sort out the stuff". I was going to buy a couple of wheels and some other spares from them. If Morris or someone has Harry's sons contact info., could they please advise. I may be down there before too long. When this problem begain to develop, Morris was my first call, however, he doesn't have anything. Thanx much! Moe N680RR ____________________________________ From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:05:08 -0500 Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Herry Merritt had motors and a complete 680FP when he pass away. I stopped by this summer and his hangar was cleaned out. I was told that his son moved it all if you can track him down Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone -----Original message----- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 11:53:39 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Hi Moe, N55GL is definitely a 680F(P). I have quite a few shots of it at Berry Hill, including one of the dorsal scoop itself, which is also visible in a few of the shots. Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 09 February 2012 03:11 Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Mike, All I really need is the roller bearing for the Vickers hydraulic motor(#MF033B007B) that drives the cabin supercharger. There are a lot of other items that I would like to have if they were available at a good price. McGill made the bearing (# VS-211490) but does not have it avail. SKF mad e a bearing (#NU1910E) that was very similar, however, no one has one in stock that I can find. I have received two quotes for a rebuilt motor (1) $ 14,500.00 exchange + $ 9,500 core charge and they will back bill me for any unusable parts in m y unit. (2) $ 19,880.00 EXCHANGE + $ 9,500.00 core charge. Both prices of course do not include freight and taxes. Both quotes had extended lead times. It is my understanding that the MR. RPM conversions used turbocharger bleed air instead of a cabin supercharger, which would unfortunately rule out Mason's old plane (N70QT) and the plane that Bill references in Australia. Photos of N55GL (derelict in Berry Hill, GA) show it to not have an air scoop on the top which leads me to believe that it is a 680F and not a 680F(p). I will try to confirm this tomorrow. Without the cabin supercharger not only can the cabin not be pressurized, the heater will not work, as this supercharger supplies the air for the heater both on the ground and in the air. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and help. Obviously, any additional suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Moe N680RR 680F(p) ____________________________________ From: floydgm(at)hotmail.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:58:43 -0700 What are you looking for Moe a cabin supercharger? ____________________________________ From: wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:16:29 +1100 Moe, Try General Aviation Maintenance, Essendon Aerodrome, Melbourne, AU, they are parting out a 680 FLP with IO-720s. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! 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From: White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 12, 2012
(352) 258-0720 =46rom my iPhone 4S! On Feb 12, 2012, at 6:12 PM, WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com wrote: > You might try Richard Cam , he and Harry were friends . I think Richard is in St. Augustine , I`ll try to find his number . Gil > > In a message dated 2/9/2012 7:59:08 P.M. Central America Standard Ti, Bill Leff1(at)aol.com writes: > Let me know if you get the contact info. I would be interested in some par ts as well. I think his son lives in the Carolina's > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone > > > -----Original message----- > From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> > To: Com > Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 16:46:06 GMT+00:00 > Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER > > Hi Bill, > > I think that Morris went down and helped Harry's son "sort out the stuff". I was going to buy a couple of wheels and some other spares from them. If Morris or someone has Harry's sons contact info., could they please advise. I may be down there before too long. > > When this problem begain to develop, Morris was my first call, however, he doesn't have anything. > > Thanx much! > > Moe > N680RR > > From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:05:08 -0500 > Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER > > Herry Merritt had motors and a complete 680FP when he pass away. I stopped by this summer and his hangar was cleaned out. I was told that his son move d it all if you can track him down > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone > > > -----Original message----- > From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 11:53:39 GMT+00:00 > Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER > > Hi Moe, > > N55GL is definitely a 680F(P). > I have quite a few shots of it at Berry Hill, including one of the dorsal s coop itself, which is also visible in a few of the shots. > > Best Regards, > Barry > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills > Sent: 09 February 2012 03:11 > To: Com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER > > Mike, > > All I really need is the roller bearing for the Vickers hydraulic motor(#M F033B007B) that drives the cabin supercharger. There are a lot of other ite ms that I would like to have if they were available at a good price. McGill m ade the bearing (# VS-211490) but does not have it avail. SKF made a bearin g (#NU1910E) that was very similar, however, no one has one in stock that I c an find. > > I have received two quotes for a rebuilt motor (1) $ 14,500.00 exchange + $ 9,500 core charge and they will back bill me for any unusable parts in my u nit. (2) $ 19,880.00 EXCHANGE + $ 9,500.00 core charge. Both prices of cou rse do not include freight and taxes. Both quotes had extended lead times. > > It is my understanding that the MR. RPM conversions used turbocharger blee d air instead of a cabin supercharger, which would unfortunately rule out Ma son's old plane (N70QT) and the plane that Bill references in Australia. Ph otos of N55GL (derelict in Berry Hill, GA) show it to not have an air scoop o n the top which leads me to believe that it is a 680F and not a 680F(p). I w ill try to confirm this tomorrow. > > Without the cabin supercharger not only can the cabin not be pressurized, t he heater will not work, as this supercharger supplies the air for the heate r both on the ground and in the air. > > Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and help. 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Subject: Re: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 13, 2012
That is what I always recommend. There should be a circuit breaker/switch, similar to the Beechcraft switch's, installed. Congratulations on handlin g the emergency well, it doesn't always have a happy ending!! jb -----Original Message----- From: nick <nick(at)container.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 9:16 am Subject: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight Dear Commander Gurus=99 : We started to lose hydraulic pressure in my 690A commander .Pressure went f rom 900# to 500# . We followed emergency procedure which calls for the pull ing of the breaker for the aux. hydraulic pump and continued the flight .Th en as is procedure we pushed in the breaker and the gear came down without a problem.. My question is why not fly with the aux. hydraulic breaker pulled all the t ime? This would prevent loss of all fluid if you did not catch the loss soo n enough Any comments ? Nick N674NM From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:08 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER Hi Moe, Last I knew: N55GL, 680F(P) s/n 1200-104, was derelict at Berry Hill, Georgia. Info from a photo taken in January 2011. N27GA, 680F(P) s/n 1212-111, was derelict at Corona, California. Info from a photo taken in February 2011. N70QT, 680F(P) s/n 1208-109, was being parted out by Mountain Air LLC., Mar ion, Iowa following its accident in July 2009. If none of these prove fruitful, I=99ll try some of the other Models. Very Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 08 February 2012 07:03 Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution -= - The Commander-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 13, 2012
H MOE.....I dont know where to get the bearing, but the heater should work in the air in the "ram air" position. jb -----Original Message----- From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 7:14 pm Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Mike, All I really need is the roller bearing for the Vickers hydraulic motor(#MF 033B007B) that drives the cabin supercharger. There are a lot of other ite ms that I would like to have if they were available at a good price. McGill made the bearing (# VS-211490) but does not have it avail. SKF made a bea ring (#NU1910E) that was very similar, however, no one has one in stock tha t I can find. I have received two quotes for a rebuilt motor (1) $ 14,500.00 exchange + $ 9,500 core charge and they will back bill me for any unusable parts in my unit. (2) $ 19,880.00 EXCHANGE + $ 9,500.00 core charge. Both prices of c ourse do not include freight and taxes. Both quotes had extended lead time s. It is my understanding that the MR. RPM conversions used turbocharger bleed air instead of a cabin supercharger, which would unfortunately rule out Ma son's old plane (N70QT) and the plane that Bill references in Australia. P hotos of N55GL (derelict in Berry Hill, GA) show it to not have an air scoo p on the top which leads me to believe that it is a 680F and not a 680F(p). I will try to confirm this tomorrow. Without the cabin supercharger not only can the cabin not be pressurized, t he heater will not work, as this supercharger supplies the air for the heat er both on the ground and in the air. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and help. Obviously, any additional suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Moe N680RR 680F(p) From: floydgm(at)hotmail.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:58:43 -0700 What are you looking for Moe a cabin supercharger? From: wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERELICT COMMANDER Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:16:29 +1100 Moe, Try General Aviation Maintenance, Essendon Aerodrome, Melbourne, AU, they a re parting out a 680 FLP with IO-720s. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! 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From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight
Date: Feb 14, 2012
Thanks for your comments From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight That is what I always recommend. There should be a circuit breaker/switch, similar to the Beechcraft switch's, installed. Congratulations on handling the emergency well, it doesn't always have a happy ending!! jb -----Original Message----- From: nick <nick(at)container.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 9:16 am Subject: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight Dear Commander Gurus=99 : We started to lose hydraulic pressure in my 690A commander .Pressure went from 900# to 500# . We followed emergency procedure which calls for the pulling of the breaker for the aux. hydraulic pump and continued the flight .Then as is procedure we pushed in the breaker and the gear came down without a problem.. My question is why not fly with the aux. hydraulic breaker pulled all the time? This would prevent loss of all fluid if you did not catch the loss soon enough Any comments ? Nick N674NM From: <mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:08 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER Hi Moe, Last I knew: N55GL, 680F(P) s/n 1200-104, was derelict at Berry Hill, Georgia. Info from a photo taken in January 2011. N27GA, 680F(P) s/n 1212-111, was derelict at Corona, California. Info from a photo taken in February 2011. N70QT, 680F(P) s/n 1208-109, was being parted out by Mountain Air LLC., Marion, Iowa following its accident in July 2009. If none of these prove fruitful, I=99ll try some of the other Models. Very Best Regards, Barry From: <mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 08 February 2012 07:03 Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List <http://forums.matronics.com/> http://forums.matronics.com <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List <http://forums.matronics.com/> http://forums.matronics.com <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 14, 2012
Subject: Re: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight
No No No! The aux hydraulic pump should only be pulled during an emergency. It is intended to be operational if you loose hydraulic pressure during take off and landing. During take off and landing if the hydraulic system fails due to a broken line in the landing gear system the main system will fail (the first indication of a failure of the main system is the nose gear extending) but there is a reserve that only supplies the brakes, nose wheel steering and flaps. This system will be available during the landing roll if the main system fails. You do not have time to reach over and reset a CB or turn on a switch (this would require a field approval) once you realize that you have a problem. However, if you pull the aux hyd CB as soon as you recognize the hydraulic system failure you will preserve the aux pump supply. This should me a memory item as far as emergency check list are concerned. The aux hydraulic pump has no function in extending the landing gear. So, you should wait until you are on short final to push it in. On the other hand, why do you need brakes in a 690 anyway! Ted Smith was a smart guy, don't second guess his intension's about how to operate his systems. Bill Leff In a message dated 2/14/2012 1:04:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nick(at)container.com writes: Thanks for your comments From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@a ol.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight That is what I always recommend. There should be a circuit breaker/switch, similar to the Beechcraft switch's, installed. Congratula tions on handling the emergency well, it doesn't always have a happy ending!! jb -----Original Message----- From: nick <nick(at)container.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 9:16 am Subject: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight Dear Commander Gurus=99 : We started to lose hydraulic pressure in my 690A commander .Pressure went from 900# to 500# . We followed emergency procedure which calls for the pulling of the breaker for the aux. hydraulic pump and continued the fligh t .Then as is procedure we pushed in the breaker and the gear came down with out a problem.. My question is why not fly with the aux. hydraulic breaker pulled all the time? This would prevent loss of all fluid if you did not catch the loss soon enough Any comments ? Nick N674NM From: _owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [_mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-commander -list-server(at)matronics.com?) ] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:08 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER Hi Moe, Last I knew: N55GL, 680F(P) s/n 1200-104, was derelict at Berry Hill, Georgia. Info from a photo taken in January 2011. N27GA, 680F(P) s/n 1212-111, was derelict at Corona, California. Info from a photo taken in February 2011. N70QT, 680F(P) s/n 1208-109, was being parted out by Mountain Air LLC., Marion, Iowa following its accident in July 2009. If none of these prove fruitful, I=99ll try some of the other Models . Very Best Regards, Barry From: _owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com) [_mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-commander -list-server(at)matronics.com?) ] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 08 February 2012 07:03 Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) _http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) _http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) _http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) _http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) _http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) _http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight
Date: Feb 14, 2012
Bill, What we were saying was to pull the breaker after takeoff and reset it before landing . This procedure would prevent the TOTAL loss of hyd .fluid if a line was to break and the pilot did not notice the hyd pressure drop on the gage . NIck From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BillLeff1(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight No No No! The aux hydraulic pump should only be pulled during an emergency. It is intended to be operational if you loose hydraulic pressure during take off and landing. During take off and landing if the hydraulic system fails due to a broken line in the landing gear system the main system will fail (the first indication of a failure of the main system is the nose gear extending) but there is a reserve that only supplies the brakes, nose wheel steering and flaps. This system will be available during the landing roll if the main system fails. You do not have time to reach over and reset a CB or turn on a switch (this would require a field approval) once you realize that you have a problem. However, if you pull the aux hyd CB as soon as you recognize the hydraulic system failure you will preserve the aux pump supply. This should me a memory item as far as emergency check list are concerned. The aux hydraulic pump has no function in extending the landing gear. So, you should wait until you are on short final to push it in. On the other hand, why do you need brakes in a 690 anyway! Ted Smith was a smart guy, don't second guess his intension's about how to operate his systems. Bill Leff In a message dated 2/14/2012 1:04:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nick(at)container.com writes: Thanks for your comments From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight That is what I always recommend. There should be a circuit breaker/switch, similar to the Beechcraft switch's, installed. Congratulations on handling the emergency well, it doesn't always have a happy ending!! jb -----Original Message----- From: nick <nick(at)container.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 9:16 am Subject: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight Dear Commander Gurus=99 : We started to lose hydraulic pressure in my 690A commander .Pressure went from 900# to 500# . We followed emergency procedure which calls for the pulling of the breaker for the aux. hydraulic pump and continued the flight .Then as is procedure we pushed in the breaker and the gear came down without a problem.. My question is why not fly with the aux. hydraulic breaker pulled all the time? This would prevent loss of all fluid if you did not catch the loss soon enough Any comments ? Nick N674NM From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:08 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER Hi Moe, Last I knew: N55GL, 680F(P) s/n 1200-104, was derelict at Berry Hill, Georgia. Info from a photo taken in January 2011. N27GA, 680F(P) s/n 1212-111, was derelict at Corona, California. Info from a photo taken in February 2011. N70QT, 680F(P) s/n 1208-109, was being parted out by Mountain Air LLC., Marion, Iowa following its accident in July 2009. If none of these prove fruitful, I=99ll try some of the other Models. Very Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 08 February 2012 07:03 Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight
From: "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
Date: Feb 14, 2012
I concur. Ted Smith was more than smart. In his last design, the AeroStar , the aux pump was protected and controlled by a breaker switch (similar to what JB was describing) so it could be easily enabled and disabled. In normal ops, I've always advocated "Gear up, aux pump disabled. Gear dow n, aux pump enabled." In an abnormal -- plain language, loss of hydraulic fluid -- you'd put the gear down via the pneudraulic extension, bungees and gravity and just prior to touchdown you'd reset the aux pump breaker (or switch) and you'd have a chance at brakes, and nosewheel steering depending on how severe the leak. You could choose to shoot your wad on flaps, as well, but I don't think you get as much benefit from flaps as you do from brakes in this situation. By the time you're alerted to a hydraulic leak via uncommanded nose gear ex tension, it's too late! Remember, for every PhD there is an equal and opposite PhD, so you're getti ng a few good opinions and options in this discussion. Keith S. Gordon aka Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. KHND RNAV Lead FAASTeam Lead Rep, Las Vegas NBAA Access Committee Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep -----Original Message----- From: Nick Martin <nick(at)container.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 11:14 am Subject: RE: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight Bill, What we were saying was to pull the breaker after takeoff andreset it befor e landing . This procedure would prevent the TOTAL loss of hyd .fluidif a l ine was to break and the pilot did not notice the hyd pressure drop onthe g age . NIck From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-commander-list -server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BillLeff1(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight No No No! The aux hydraulic pump should only be pulledduring an emergency. It is intended to be operational if you loose hydraulicpressure during tak e off and landing. During take off and landing if the hydraulic system fails due to abroken li ne in the landing gear system the main system will fail (the firstindicatio n of a failure of the main system is the nose gear extending) butthere is a reserve that only supplies the brakes, nose wheel steeringand flaps. This system will be available during the landing roll if themain system fails. You do not have time to reach over and reset a CB or turn on aswitch (this would require a field approval) once you realize that you have aproblem. Ho wever, if you pull the aux hyd CB as soon as you recognize thehydraulic sys tem failure you will preserve the aux pump supply. Thisshould me a memory i tem as far as emergency check list are concerned. The aux hydraulic pump has no function in extending the landinggear. So, yo u should wait until you are on short final to push it in. On theother hand, why do you need brakes in a 690 anyway! Ted Smith was a smart guy, don't second guess his intension'sabout how to o perate his systems. Bill Leff In a message dated 2/14/2012 1:04:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,nick@contai ner.com writes: Thanksfor your comments From:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-commander-list- server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight That iswhat I always recommend. There should be a circuit breaker/switch,s imilar to the Beechcraft switch's, installed. Congratulations onhandling t he emergency well, it doesn't always have a happy ending!! jb -----OriginalMessage----- From: nick <nick(at)container.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 9:16 am Subject: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight DearCommander Gurus=99 : Westarted to lose hydraulic pressure in my 690A commander .Pressure went fr om900# to 500# . We followed emergency procedure which calls for the pullin g ofthe breaker for the aux. hydraulic pump and continued the flight .Then as is procedurewe pushed in the breaker and the gear came down without a pr oblem.. Myquestion is why not fly with the aux. hydraulic breaker pulled all the ti me?This would prevent loss of all fluid if you did not catch the loss soon enough Any comments? Nick N674NM From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-commander-list -server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:08 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER HiMoe, LastI knew: N55GL,680F(P) s/n 1200-104, was derelict at Berry Hill, Georgia. Info from a phototaken in January 2011. N27GA,680F(P) s/n 1212-111, was derelict at Corona, California. Info from a phototaken in February 2011. N70QT,680F(P) s/n 1208-109, was being parted out by Mountain Air LLC., Mari on, Iowa followingits accident in July 2009. Ifnone of these prove fruitful, I=99ll try some of the other Models. VeryBest Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-commander-list -server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 08 February 2012 07:03 Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 16, 2012
BILL.............I never thought I would be disagreeing with you, but in th is case I respectfully do. The factory is working on a solution for this p roblem as we speak. The hyd system in all twisty gear Commanders has a fla w. There have been many commanders damaged and at least one totaled (680FL P in Canada) because of this. There have also been many more saved because the pilot had the breaker pulled when the system failed, most recently, Ji mmy Rodriguez in San Juan (500B, N106VC, S/N 1). In a perfect world, ever y pilot would constantly monitor the hyd press gauge and pull the circuit b reaker when they see the press falling. In the REAL world, most pilots sim ply don't devote that amount of attention. Further, as the airplanes are m odified and upgraded, the hyd press gauge is oft times moved and placed on the panel where it is difficult for the pilot to see. By the time the nose gear drops (assuming loss of fluid) the aux pump will have long ago pumped the reserve fluid overboard, leaving the pilot with no steering or brakes. Leaving the aux hyd pump energized allows a loss of press for any reason, including loss of fluid, to turn the pump on and empty the reserve that Te d Smith intended to be used for this emergency. It is a flaw or an oversit e that has had dire results. As you said, the aux hud pump has no function except to operate the brakes and steering in an emergency. (It will raise and lower the flaps, but should not be used to do so in an emergency, only on the ground). Pilots should ALWAYS check the hyd press gauge before lan ding. If the press is low, then and only then enable the aux pump. This w ill ensure there is adequate fluid in reserve to stop and steer the airplan e. Caution should be used after landing on piston airplanes (no reverse) a s the steering and brakes could fail if fluid is still being lost. Best to clear the runway and call for a tug. All modern Commanders have dual eng ine pumps and the odds of losing both in a single flight is extremely low. Losing hyd press is almost always form a loss of fluid. Having the aux pu mp enabled can only make things worse in a real failure. Thanks for all yo u fine work in Commanderland Bill. Jim Metzger 360-903-6901 -----Original Message----- From: BillLeff1 <BillLeff1(at)aol.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 10:54 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight No No No! The aux hydraulic pump should only be pulled during an emergency . It is intended to be operational if you loose hydraulic pressure during t ake off and landing. During take off and landing if the hydraulic system fails due to a broken l ine in the landing gear system the main system will fail (the first indicat ion of a failure of the main system is the nose gear extending) but there i s a reserve that only supplies the brakes, nose wheel steering and flaps. T his system will be available during the landing roll if the main system fai ls. You do not have time to reach over and reset a CB or turn on a switch (this would require a field approval) once you realize that you have a problem. However, if you pull the aux hyd CB as soon as you recognize the hydraulic system failure you will preserve the aux pump supply. This should me a memo ry item as far as emergency check list are concerned. The aux hydraulic pump has no function in extending the landing gear. So, y ou should wait until you are on short final to push it in. On the other han d, why do you need brakes in a 690 anyway! Ted Smith was a smart guy, don't second guess his intension's about how to operate his systems. Bill Leff In a message dated 2/14/2012 1:04:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nick@conta iner.com writes: Thanks for your comments From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight That is what I always recommend. There should be a circuit breaker/switch, similar to the Beechcraft switch's, installed. Congratulations on handlin g the emergency well, it doesn't always have a happy ending!! jb -----Original Message----- From: nick <nick(at)container.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 9:16 am Subject: Commander-List: Lost Hydraulic pressure in flight Dear Commander Gurus=99 : We started to lose hydraulic pressure in my 690A commander .Pressure went f rom 900# to 500# . We followed emergency procedure which calls for the pull ing of the breaker for the aux. hydraulic pump and continued the flight .Th en as is procedure we pushed in the breaker and the gear came down without a problem.. My question is why not fly with the aux. hydraulic breaker pulled all the t ime? This would prevent loss of all fluid if you did not catch the loss soo n enough Any comments ? Nick N674NM From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:08 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER Hi Moe, Last I knew: N55GL, 680F(P) s/n 1200-104, was derelict at Berry Hill, Georgia. Info from a photo taken in January 2011. N27GA, 680F(P) s/n 1212-111, was derelict at Corona, California. Info from a photo taken in February 2011. N70QT, 680F(P) s/n 1208-109, was being parted out by Mountain Air LLC., Mar ion, Iowa following its accident in July 2009. If none of these prove fruitful, I=99ll try some of the other Models. Very Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 08 February 2012 07:03 Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER COMMANDERLAND' DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A 680t 680flp 680F(p) THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT? THANX! 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Subject: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 18, 2012
Another Source for used Commander Parts. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Barrett <dcanfly2000(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 6:56 am Subject: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Hello TCFG, I was previously in the aircraft salvage business specializing in Aero Commanders and the reason I am contacting you is that I still have an inventory of Aero Commander parts that I would like to sell..Hydraulic, electrical,complete landing gear and parts,Heater,oxygen bottle, etc. etc. Doug Barrett (816) 682-1068 ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 20, 2012
Subject: Re: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP
Do you have a list? I would like a price for an upper or complete nose strut. Bill Leff In a message dated 2/18/2012 11:45:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Another Source for used Commander Parts. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Barrett <dcanfly2000(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 6:56 am Subject: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Hello TCFG, I was previously in the aircraft salvage business specializing in Aero Commanders and the reason I am contacting you is that I still have an inventory of Aero Commander parts that I would like to sell..Hydraulic, electrical,complete landing gear and parts,Heater,oxygen bottle, etc. etc. Doug Barrett (816) 682-1068 (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 21, 2012
From: Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP
Fuel cells also ?=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "yourtc fg(at)aol.com" =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:43 PM=0ASubject: Commander-List: Fwd: Parts 5 20 thru 680 FLP=0A =0A=0AAnother Source for used Commander Parts.- =0A=0A =0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Douglas Barrett <dcanfly2000@yahoo .com>=0ATo: YourTCFG =0ASent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 6:56 am =0ASubject: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP=0A=0A=0AHello TCFG, I was previously in the aircraft salvage business specializing in Aero Commanders and the reaso n I am contacting you is that I still have an inventory of Aero Commander p arts that I would like to sell..Hydraulic, electrical,complete landing gear and parts,Heater,oxygen bottle, etc. etc.-- Doug Barrett-- (816) 6 ===================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 21, 2012
Hi Bill, This gentleman is not on our chat list -- if you have any questions about h is parts or prices you need to call him (Doug) at (816) 682-1068. He is sending me a partial parts list in the mail and as soon as we receive it we will scan it and post it for the group. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: BillLeff1 <BillLeff1(at)aol.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 9:19 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Do you have a list? I would like a price for an upper or complete nose stru t. Bill Leff In a message dated 2/18/2012 11:45:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, yourtcfg@ aol.com writes: Another Source for used Commander Parts. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Barrett <dcanfly2000(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 6:56 am Subject: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Hello TCFG, I was previously in the aircraft salvage business specializing in Aero Commanders and the reason I am contacting you is that I still have an inventory of Aero Commander parts that I would like to sell..Hydraulic, electrical,complete landing gear and parts,Heater,oxygen bottle, etc. etc. Doug Barrett (816) 682-1068 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List .matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -= - The Commander-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP
Date: Feb 21, 2012
Try and get him on our list. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Hi Bill, This gentleman is not on our chat list -- if you have any questions about his parts or prices you need to call him (Doug) at (816) 682-1068. He is sending me a partial parts list in the mail and as soon as we receive it we will scan it and post it for the group. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: BillLeff1 <BillLeff1(at)aol.com> To: commander-list Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 9:19 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Do you have a list? I would like a price for an upper or complete nose strut. Bill Leff In a message dated 2/18/2012 11:45:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Another Source for used Commander Parts. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Barrett <dcanfly2000(at)yahoo.com> To: YourTCFG Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 6:56 am Subject: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Hello TCFG, I was previously in the aircraft salvage business specializing in Aero Commanders and the reason I am contacting you is that I still have an inventory of Aero Commander parts that I would like to sell..Hydraulic, electrical,complete landing gear and parts,Heater,oxygen bottle, etc. etc. Doug Barrett (816) 682-1068 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP
Date: Feb 21, 2012
I DON'T WANT TO HURT DOUG'S BUSINESS, BUT WHY EVER PUT IN A USED FUEL CELL; THERE'S TOO MUCH LABOR INVOLVED TO CHANCH AN EARLY FAILURE. LLOYD N6290X ----- Original Message ----- From: Frits Abbing<mailto:fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Fuel cells also ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: "yourtcfg(at)aol.com<mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com>" > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Another Source for used Commander Parts. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Barrett > To: YourTCFG Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 6:56 am Subject: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Hello TCFG, I was previously in the aircraft salvage business specializing in Aero Commanders and the reason I am contacting you is that I still have an inventory of Aero Commander parts that I would like to sell..Hydraulic, electrical,complete landing gear and parts,Heater,oxygen bottle, etc. etc. Doug Barrett (816) 682-1068 http://www.matronics.com/Naviga http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP
Date: Feb 22, 2012
Doug, Do you have any or all such as flaps, ailerons, elevators and rudders for a 500A in serviceable condition. My direct email is wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au and hamilton(at)Glenalmond.com.au Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd silverman Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP I DON'T WANT TO HURT DOUG'S BUSINESS, BUT WHY EVER PUT IN A USED FUEL CELL; THERE'S TOO MUCH LABOR INVOLVED TO CHANCH AN EARLY FAILURE. LLOYD N6290X ----- Original Message ----- From: Frits Abbing <mailto:fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Fuel cells also ? _____ From: "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" <yourtcfg(at)aol.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Another Source for used Commander Parts. -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Barrett <dcanfly2000(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 16, 2012 6:56 am Subject: Parts 520 thru 680 FLP Hello TCFG, I was previously in the aircraft salvage business specializing in Aero Commanders and the reason I am contacting you is that I still have an inventory of Aero Commander parts that I would like to sell..Hydraulic, electrical,complete landing gear and parts,Heater,oxygen bottle, etc. etc. Doug Barrett (816) 682-1068
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Subject: Pretty cool approach in a Turbo Commander.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Feb 28, 2012
He's obviously hot-dogging it a bit and is hopefully familiar with power lines etc. Maybe he was also a crop duster pilot once;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j6h658CTJ0&feature=related -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367497#367497 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 28, 2012
From: sr14572(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Yahoo! Auto Response
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Subject: Greasers.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Mar 09, 2012
After more than a year with the 520 and over 100hrs on her, I still have to admit that I find my landings more on the firm and squeaky side, than greasers. I normally approach at 80-90 and try to cross the threshold at 80kts. The other day I took her down to 70 for the approach and did two really nice greasy ones, but then could not replicate it for the next slow approach. I'm starting to think that I flare either a touch to high, or cut the power to soon. What am I missing? What is your technique for the older short wings? -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368088#368088 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 09, 2012
Subject: Re: Greasers.
From: Nico <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
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From: "BillLeff1(at)aol.com" <BillLeff1(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 10, 2012
Subject: Re: Greasers.
I suggest working on aligning the aircraft with the direction of travel down the runway. Sounds elementary but many pilots look over the center of the nose rather than a point on the nose offset the same distance from the centerline as the seat. If you don't the tire will scrub and put extra drag on the strut making a harder landing. Or always land on wet, icy or grass runways. Bill Leff Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid -----Original message----- From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 02:42:20 GMT+00:00 Subject: Commander-List: Greasers. After more than a year with the 520 and over 100hrs on her, I still have to admit that I find my landings more on the firm and squeaky side, than greasers. I normally approach at 80-90 and try to cross the threshold at 80kts. The other day I took her down to 70 for the approach and did two really nice greasy ones, but then could not replicate it for the next slow approach. I'm starting to think that I flare either a touch to high, or cut the power to soon. What am I missing? What is your technique for the older short wings? -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368088#368088 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 10, 2012
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Griesers
Adam,=0AYou are doing fine.- Griesers wear tires out faster than a nice l ittle thump landing as they drag the tires causing tread loss.- In additi on in standing water thumpers will help to alliviate hydroplanning.- At l east thats what they claimed when I was at American Airlines, but what-th e hell do they know.- I always knew they could not operate with out me an d sure enough after I retired they went bankrupt:-))=0Adan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 10, 2012
From: Donald Falik <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Greasers.
I support Nico's actions.=0A=0AIt took me forever to "smooth landing" the 5 00S.- I finally figured to leave =0Apower on until the wheels touched.- I figured it was due to landing a 5000+ lb. =0Aaircraft as opposed to a 25 -3500lb. machine.=0A=0ADon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Fri, March 9, 2012 9:41:42 PM=0ASubject: Commander-List: Greasers. m>=0A=0AAfter more than a year with the 520 and over 100hrs on her, I still have to =0Aadmit that I find my landings more on the firm and squeaky side , than greasers. =0AI normally approach at 80-90 and try to cross the thres hold at 80kts. The other =0Aday I took her down to 70 for the approach and did two really nice greasy ones, =0Abut then could not replicate it for the next slow approach. I'm starting to =0Athink that I flare either a touch t o high, or cut the power to soon.=0A=0AWhat am I missing? What is your tech nique for the older short wings?=0A=0A--------=0AAdam=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead th is topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36 == ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Greasers.
Date: Mar 10, 2012
It works even on lighter aircraft. I love to do it in a Cessna 150. I reason that with turbo charged engines, keeping the turbines spooled up, reduces turbo rush when sudden power is needed to abort a landing. With the older Ray Jay turbos, it was very easy to overboost the engines, resulting in some distraction of the pilot from flying duties while watching the manifold pressure during a go-around. I figured that very few of us are Bob Hoovers, so it is a technique that ham-fisted pilots like me use, to make things smooth and perhaps even safer. And the pax are impressed, too. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donald Falik Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Greasers. I support Nico's actions. It took me forever to "smooth landing" the 500S. I finally figured to leave power on until the wheels touched. I figured it was due to landing a 5000+ lb. aircraft as opposed to a 25-3500lb. machine. Don _____ From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> Sent: Fri, March 9, 2012 9:41:42 PM Subject: Commander-List: Greasers. After more than a year with the 520 and over 100hrs on her, I still have to admit that I find my landings more on the firm and squeaky side, than greasers. I normally approach at 80-90 and try to cross the threshold at 80kts. The other day I took her down to 70 for the approach and did two really nice greasy ones, but then could not replicate it for the next slow approach. I'm starting to think that I flare either a touch to high, or cut the power to soon. What am I missing? What is your technique for the older short wings? -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368088#3= - The Commander-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Com= Same great content also bsp; ================= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Greasers.
Date: Mar 10, 2012
Adam; I agree with all the others advice. Just like the drunk upon being asked, "How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Replied, Practice Man, Practice" With geared engines I have always been told 'do not pull the power off until on the runway'. I think that is pretty well true of all geared engines whether in a recip or a turbo prop or in a turbo jet, always keeps positive thrust until touchdown. And some airplanes just land a little firmer, most any airplane with "auto spoilers" land firm unless the runway is wet, just think of it this way, now you know when to apply brakes as you don't have an air/ground sensor. The old airline joke is most passengers don't even know if they have had a good trip until they land. Unlike Dan Farmer, Eastern didn't wait until after I left, but I still don't take any responsibility for managements actions. Guess that give Dan Farmer and Jim Addington bragging rights. BUT! You airline type's might appreciate this joke I just got: The flight attendant listened patiently to the mans complaints: You bring me cold coffee. You serve me lousy food. I cant see the movie. Not that it matters because you didnt bring me any headphones. And my window doesnt even have a shade, so I cant sleep. When hed finally stopped whining, she said, Just shut up and fly the plane! God Bless, Don -----Original Message----- From: stratobee Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 9:41 PM Subject: Commander-List: Greasers. After more than a year with the 520 and over 100hrs on her, I still have to admit that I find my landings more on the firm and squeaky side, than greasers. I normally approach at 80-90 and try to cross the threshold at 80kts. The other day I took her down to 70 for the approach and did two really nice greasy ones, but then could not replicate it for the next slow approach. I'm starting to think that I flare either a touch to high, or cut the power to soon. What am I missing? What is your technique for the older short wings? -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368088#368088 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Greasers.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Mar 11, 2012
I'll try keeping a bit of power until touchdown next time. I've been cutting it just before the flare and it kind of works sometimes and doesn't the next. What I did learn the hard way very early on, is to not cut it too early. Boy, two of the worst carrier landings I've done were due to that. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368147#368147 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Greasers.
Date: Mar 11, 2012
Depending on one's style, one can hold the flare until a high deck angle is achieved making the touch-down speed real low, thus saving on tires and brakes. A few inches above the runway is about the only place where one would want to be in this configuration. After a bit of practice it is possible to transition into this configuration in one fluid motion, land on the numbers, hold the nose off the ground for a while and roll to the first exit without applying brakes. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:09 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. I'll try keeping a bit of power until touchdown next time. I've been cutting it just before the flare and it kind of works sometimes and doesn't the next. What I did learn the hard way very early on, is to not cut it too early. Boy, two of the worst carrier landings I've done were due to that. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368147#368147 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Greasers.
From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Date: Mar 11, 2012
When I lived in Kansas City, I would watch the A/C from Central Air land back at Downtown airport on the mains and hold the nose wheel off for over 500' down the runway until it had to come down. They seem to do it to show off a little. Two or three aircraft would land and each was trying to keep the nose wheel off longer that the one before him. These were 500B's and these were flown 5-6 days a week hauling boxes all over the midwest. Tylor Hall On Mar 11, 2012, at 6:27 PM, cybersuperstore wrote: > > Depending on one's style, one can hold the flare until a high deck angle is > achieved making the touch-down speed real low, thus saving on tires and > brakes. A few inches above the runway is about the only place where one > would want to be in this configuration. > After a bit of practice it is possible to transition into this configuration > in one fluid motion, land on the numbers, hold the nose off the ground for a > while and roll to the first exit without applying brakes. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:09 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. > > > I'll try keeping a bit of power until touchdown next time. I've been cutting > it just before the flare and it kind of works sometimes and doesn't the > next. > > What I did learn the hard way very early on, is to not cut it too early. > Boy, two of the worst carrier landings I've done were due to that. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368147#368147 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Greasers.
Date: Mar 11, 2012
I suppose this technique would not work on a T-Tail plane, because I would imagine that the propwash is crucial in keeping the nose wheel off the tarmac. Incidentally, power in the flare is required for a STOL-equipped Cessna 210 (perhaps other models, too; it's that I have some hours in one), which are landed below a regular 210's stalling speed, because once the propwash is removed from the tail, it stalls immediately slamming the nose wheel into the ground, damaging the firewall, because the nose strut is mounted on the firewall. I believe in extreme cases (like cutting power too high off the runway) it would result in a prop-strike, too. I like the power on ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. When I lived in Kansas City, I would watch the A/C from Central Air land back at Downtown airport on the mains and hold the nose wheel off for over 500' down the runway until it had to come down. They seem to do it to show off a little. Two or three aircraft would land and each was trying to keep the nose wheel off longer that the one before him. These were 500B's and these were flown 5-6 days a week hauling boxes all over the midwest. Tylor Hall On Mar 11, 2012, at 6:27 PM, cybersuperstore wrote: > > Depending on one's style, one can hold the flare until a high deck angle is > achieved making the touch-down speed real low, thus saving on tires and > brakes. A few inches above the runway is about the only place where one > would want to be in this configuration. > After a bit of practice it is possible to transition into this configuration > in one fluid motion, land on the numbers, hold the nose off the ground for a > while and roll to the first exit without applying brakes. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:09 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Greasers. > > > I'll try keeping a bit of power until touchdown next time. I've been cutting > it just before the flare and it kind of works sometimes and doesn't the > next. > > What I did learn the hard way very early on, is to not cut it too early. > Boy, two of the worst carrier landings I've done were due to that. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368147#368147 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 12, 2012
Subject: Re: Greasers.
Good Morning Tylor, Maybe they were just doing what their boss told them to do? Aerodynamic braking is a very potent force often encouraged by the operator to save wear and tear on the brakes. The ability of the pilot to hold the nose in the air is dependent on elevator authority. As a general rule, the closer the CG is to the rear limit, the stronger the elevator authority. The outfit I once worked for encouraged us to take advantage of aerodynamic braking whenever practical, but to be careful that we lowered the nose wheel to the ground while we still had control rather than just letting it drop when the elevator lost it's punch. As always, technique is the key to success. Been a very long time since I last flew an Aero Commander, but the memories are pleasant. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Downers Grove, Illinois In a message dated 3/11/2012 9:30:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tylorhall(at)mac.com writes: --> Commander-List message posted by: Tylor Hall When I lived in Kansas City, I would watch the A/C from Central Air land back at Downtown airport on the mains and hold the nose wheel off for over 500' down the runway until it had to come down. They seem to do it to show off a little. Two or three aircraft would land and each was trying to keep the nose wheel off longer that the one before him. These were 500B's and these were flown 5-6 days a week hauling boxes all over the midwest. Tylor Hall On Mar 11, 2012, at 6:27 PM, cybersuperstore wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: "cybersuperstore" > > Depending on one's style, one can hold the flare until a high deck angle is > achieved making the touch-down speed real low, thus saving on tires and > brakes. A few inches above the runway is about the only place where one > would want to be in this configuration. > After a bit of practice it is possible to transition into this configuration > in one fluid motion, land on the numbers, hold the nose off the ground for a > while and roll to the first exit without applying brakes. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Creative Eagles Corp" <info@creative-eagles.com>
Subject: First Composite Pedal Kitplane
Date: Mar 13, 2012
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From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: First Composite Pedal Kitplane
Date: Mar 13, 2012
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From: Scottmain2003(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 22, 2012
Subject: Orings
Need to get my hands on some s-0310-219f O-rings. Or equivelent. They are used on the fluid shut off valves located in the wheel wells. Cant seem to find a listing on the usual sources. thanks all Scott Main ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Orings
Date: Mar 23, 2012
Scott=2C Try=2C Valley Seal Co.6430 Variel Ave. #106Woodland Hills=2C Ca 9 1367 or Controlled Motion Solutions911 Poinsetta St.Santa Ana=2C CA 92710 V alley seems to have the most stock=2C however=2C both have been good to me over the years Moe MillsN608RR680F(p) From: Scottmain2003(at)aol.com Date: Thu=2C 22 Mar 2012 21:09:10 -0400 Subject: Commander-List: Orings Need to get my hands on some s-0310-219f O-rings. Or equivelent. They are used on the fluid shut off valves located in the wheel wells. Cant seem to find a listing on the usual sources. thanks all Scott Main ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 23, 2012
From: sr14572(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Yahoo! Auto Response
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: N560KM - 560E s/n 582
Date: Mar 27, 2012
Hello All, Model 560E s/n 582, N560KM, has been Registered to the same owner for just over 30 years, with an address in South Gate, California. I've never found a photograph of it and fear that it's been scrapped, or damaged beyond repair in a non-operational incident. Certainly, no accidents are listed in either the NTSB or FAA ASIAS website. Any chance that anyone has ever seen it in their travels? Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: N560KM - 560E s/n 582
Date: Mar 27, 2012
Hi Barry=2C Several years ago I lived in South Gate. Mind telling me who t he owner's name is? South Gate is not a very affluent area now and the pla ne would most likely be at CPM (compton)HHR (Hawthorne) or LGB (Long Beach) . I know that it was not at HHR from about 1980 and later=2C as I was the official late night airport bum there. CPM has mostly small hangars=2C and I don't ever remember seeing it outside. LGB ?. Regards=2C Moe MillsN 680RR680F(p) > From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 > Date: Tue=2C 27 Mar 2012 16:08:25 +0100 > britain.co.uk> > > Hello All=2C > > Model 560E s/n 582=2C N560KM=2C has been Registered to the same owner for just > over 30 years=2C with an address in South Gate=2C California. > > I've never found a photograph of it and fear that it's been scrapped=2C o r > damaged beyond repair in a non-operational incident. > Certainly=2C no accidents are listed in either the NTSB or FAA ASIAS webs ite. > > Any chance that anyone has ever seen it in their travels? > > Best Regards=2C > Barry > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: N560KM - 560E s/n 582
Date: Mar 28, 2012
Hi Moe, It's Registered to Kent Miller, at 2550 Southern (Zip 90280). Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 28 March 2012 04:54 Subject: RE: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 Hi Barry, Several years ago I lived in South Gate. Mind telling me who the owner's name is? South Gate is not a very affluent area now and the plane would most likely be at CPM (compton) HHR (Hawthorne) or LGB (Long Beach). I know that it was not at HHR from about 1980 and later, as I was the official late night airport bum there. CPM has mostly small hangars, and I don't ever remember seeing it outside. LGB ?. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) > From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:08:25 +0100 > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > > Hello All, > > Model 560E s/n 582, N560KM, has been Registered to the same owner for just > over 30 years, with an address in South Gate, California. > > I've never found a photograph of it and fear that it's been scrapped, or > damaged beyond repair in a non-operational incident. > Certainly, no accidents are listed in either the NTSB or FAA ASIAS website. > > Any chance that anyone has ever seen it in their travels? > > Best Regards, > Barry > > ============= > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: N560KM - 560E s/n 582
Date: Mar 28, 2012
Hi Barry=2C I do not remember anyone by that name=2C and evan with my feebl e memory=2C most likely I would rememer that name as Kent was the brand of ciggaretts that I smoked as a child and Miller is very close to Mills. If you wish I can email some of the airport bums from that area and see what w e can find out. Regards=2C Moe From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk Subject: RE: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 Date: Wed=2C 28 Mar 2012 12:00:18 +0100 Hi Moe=2C It=92s Registered to Kent Miller=2C at 2550 Southern (Zip 90280). Best Regards=2CBarry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mail to:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 28 March 2012 04:54 Subject: RE: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 Hi Barry=2C Several years ago I lived in South Gate. Mind telling me who the owner's n ame is? South Gate is not a very affluent area now and the plane would mos t likely be at CPM (compton) HHR (Hawthorne) or LGB (Long Beach). I know that it was not at HHR from ab out 1980 and later=2C as I was the official late night airport bum there. CPM has mostly small hangars=2C and I don't ever remember seeing it outside . LGB ?. Regards=2C Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) > From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 > Date: Tue=2C 27 Mar 2012 16:08:25 +0100 > britain.co.uk> > > Hello All=2C > > Model 560E s/n 582=2C N560KM=2C has been Registered to the same owner for just > over 30 years=2C with an address in South Gate=2C California. > > I've never found a photograph of it and fear that it's been scrapped=2C o r > damaged beyond repair in a non-operational incident. > Certainly=2C no accidents are listed in either the NTSB or FAA ASIAS webs ite. > > Any chance that anyone has ever seen it in their travels? > > Best Regards=2C > Barry > > ============= > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronic s.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: N560KM - 560E s/n 582
Date: Mar 29, 2012
Hi Moe, If you have some contacts who might be able to help, and have some spare time to send a few emails, then it will be much appreciated. Very Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 29 March 2012 01:58 Subject: RE: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 Hi Barry, I do not remember anyone by that name, and evan with my feeble memory, most likely I would rememer that name as Kent was the brand of ciggaretts that I smoked as a child and Miller is very close to Mills. If you wish I can email some of the airport bums from that area and see what we can find out. Regards, Moe _____ From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk Subject: RE: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:00:18 +0100 Hi Moe, It's Registered to Kent Miller, at 2550 Southern (Zip 90280). Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: 28 March 2012 04:54 Subject: RE: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 Hi Barry, Several years ago I lived in South Gate. Mind telling me who the owner's name is? South Gate is not a very affluent area now and the plane would most likely be at CPM (compton) HHR (Hawthorne) or LGB (Long Beach). I know that it was not at HHR from about 1980 and later, as I was the official late night airport bum there. CPM has mostly small hangars, and I don't ever remember seeing it outside. LGB ?. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) > From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:08:25 +0100 > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > > Hello All, > > Model 560E s/n 582, N560KM, has been Registered to the same owner for just > over 30 years, with an address in South Gate, California. > > I've never found a photograph of it and fear that it's been scrapped, or > damaged beyond repair in a non-operational incident. > Certainly, no accidents are listed in either the NTSB or FAA ASIAS website. > > Any chance that anyone has ever seen it in their travels? > > Best Regards, > Barry > > ============= > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2012
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/27/12
From: John McNulty <jmcnulty(at)socalpizza.com>
I'm doing recurrency training at Long Beach; will look around and ask around. John McNulty N89PK On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Commander-List Digest Server < commander-list(at)matronics.com> wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 12-03-27&Archive=Commander > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 12-03-27&Archive=Commander > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Commander-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Tue 03/27/12: 2 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 08:09 AM - N560KM - 560E s/n 582 (Barry Collman) > 2. 08:55 PM - Re: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 (Moe Mills) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > Subject: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 > > > Hello All, > > Model 560E s/n 582, N560KM, has been Registered to the same owner for just > over 30 years, with an address in South Gate, California. > > I've never found a photograph of it and fear that it's been scrapped, or > damaged beyond repair in a non-operational incident. > Certainly, no accidents are listed in either the NTSB or FAA ASIAS website. > > Any chance that anyone has ever seen it in their travels? > > Best Regards, > Barry > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 > > > Hi Barry=2C Several years ago I lived in South Gate. Mind telling me who t > he owner's name is? South Gate is not a very affluent area now and the pla > ne would most likely be at CPM (compton)HHR (Hawthorne) or LGB (Long Beach) > . I know that it was not at HHR from about 1980 and later=2C as I was the > official late night airport bum there. CPM has mostly small hangars=2C and > I don't ever remember seeing it outside. LGB ?. Regards=2C Moe MillsN > 680RR680F(p) > > From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 > > Date: Tue=2C 27 Mar 2012 16:08:25 +0100 > > > britain.co.uk> > > > > Hello All=2C > > > > Model 560E s/n 582=2C N560KM=2C has been Registered to the same owner for > just > > over 30 years=2C with an address in South Gate=2C California. > > > > I've never found a photograph of it and fear that it's been scrapped=2C o > r > > damaged beyond repair in a non-operational incident. > > Certainly=2C no accidents are listed in either the NTSB or FAA ASIAS webs > ite. > > > > Any chance that anyone has ever seen it in their travels? > > > > Best Regards=2C > > Barry > > > > > > > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2012
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/27/12
From: John McNulty <jmcnulty(at)socalpizza.com>
I'm doing recurrency training at Long Beach; will look around and ask around. John McNulty N89PK On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Commander-List Digest Server < commander-list(at)matronics.com> wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 12-03-27&Archive=Commander > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 12-03-27&Archive=Commander > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Commander-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Tue 03/27/12: 2 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 08:09 AM - N560KM - 560E s/n 582 (Barry Collman) > 2. 08:55 PM - Re: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 (Moe Mills) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > Subject: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 > > > Hello All, > > Model 560E s/n 582, N560KM, has been Registered to the same owner for just > over 30 years, with an address in South Gate, California. > > I've never found a photograph of it and fear that it's been scrapped, or > damaged beyond repair in a non-operational incident. > Certainly, no accidents are listed in either the NTSB or FAA ASIAS website. > > Any chance that anyone has ever seen it in their travels? > > Best Regards, > Barry > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 > > > Hi Barry=2C Several years ago I lived in South Gate. Mind telling me who t > he owner's name is? South Gate is not a very affluent area now and the pla > ne would most likely be at CPM (compton)HHR (Hawthorne) or LGB (Long Beach) > . I know that it was not at HHR from about 1980 and later=2C as I was the > official late night airport bum there. CPM has mostly small hangars=2C and > I don't ever remember seeing it outside. LGB ?. Regards=2C Moe MillsN > 680RR680F(p) > > From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 > > Date: Tue=2C 27 Mar 2012 16:08:25 +0100 > > > britain.co.uk> > > > > Hello All=2C > > > > Model 560E s/n 582=2C N560KM=2C has been Registered to the same owner for > just > > over 30 years=2C with an address in South Gate=2C California. > > > > I've never found a photograph of it and fear that it's been scrapped=2C o > r > > damaged beyond repair in a non-operational incident. > > Certainly=2C no accidents are listed in either the NTSB or FAA ASIAS webs > ite. > > > > Any chance that anyone has ever seen it in their travels? > > > > Best Regards=2C > > Barry > > > > > > > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/27/12
Date: Mar 30, 2012
OK John - thanks! Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John McNulty Sent: 30 March 2012 01:11 Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/27/12 I'm doing recurrency training at Long Beach; will look around and ask around. John McNulty N89PK On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * ======================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701 <http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapt er 12-03-27&Archive=Commander> &View=html&Chapter 12-03-27&Archive=Commander Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701 <http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapte r 12-03-27&Archive=Commander> &View=txt&Chapter 12-03-27&Archive=Commander =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/27/12: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:09 AM - N560KM - 560E s/n 582 (Barry Collman) 2. 08:55 PM - Re: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 (Moe Mills) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Subject: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 Hello All, Model 560E s/n 582, N560KM, has been Registered to the same owner for just over 30 years, with an address in South Gate, California. I've never found a photograph of it and fear that it's been scrapped, or damaged beyond repair in a non-operational incident. Certainly, no accidents are listed in either the NTSB or FAA ASIAS website. Any chance that anyone has ever seen it in their travels? Best Regards, Barry ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 Hi Barry=2C Several years ago I lived in South Gate. Mind telling me who t he owner's name is? South Gate is not a very affluent area now and the pla ne would most likely be at CPM (compton)HHR (Hawthorne) or LGB (Long Beach) . I know that it was not at HHR from about 1980 and later=2C as I was the official late night airport bum there. CPM has mostly small hangars=2C and I don't ever remember seeing it outside. LGB ?. Regards=2C Moe MillsN 680RR680F(p) > From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: N560KM - 560E s/n 582 > Date: Tue=2C 27 Mar 2012 16:08:25 +0100 > britain.co.uk> > > Hello All=2C > > Model 560E s/n 582=2C N560KM=2C has been Registered to the same owner for just > over 30 years=2C with an address in South Gate=2C California. > > I've never found a photograph of it and fear that it's been scrapped=2C o r > damaged beyond repair in a non-operational incident. > Certainly=2C no accidents are listed in either the NTSB or FAA ASIAS webs ite. > > Any chance that anyone has ever seen it in their travels? > > Best Regards=2C > Barry > > ========== ========== ========== ========== > > ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Battlestar Gallactica
Date: Apr 02, 2012
Many years ago I was flying regularly between Johannesburg in South Africa and the bush near the border with Botswana. There are no lights for hundreds of kilometers. Taking off at night with pitch dark sky, scarcely able to see one's hand, required a walk down the dirt road on which we would take off, position a flashlight so that its light can be seen from the aircraft, and take off towards it rotating before passing it. (I always wondered what someone walking in the dark in the bush would make of a flashlight alone in the wilderness. Never got my curiosity satisfied). Every night-takeoff cost a flashlight but that was cheap considering the value of that guiding light. However, one night I had a passenger who swore that he'd never be disoriented in a plane when all references to the ground have been removed. He insisted taking the stick after takeoff but I refused knowing what was about to happen. As soon as we cleared some mountains to the East and gained sufficient altitude, I said he could take the stick. Every couple of seconds I would grab the stick and right the plane, causing him to become irritated that I would interfere with his flying. So, I decided to let him be. We were about to roll over when a huge array of lights appeared above us. It was larger than Battlestar Galactica with lighted tentacles spanning the sky. He yelled, "look at that Boeing". Boeing was his metaphor for a very, very large unidentified flying object. I took the stick, righted the plane and when the Galactica was below us, I said nonchalantly, "It's a city, you idiot." That night Chris Kunneke came to realize flying a plane on instruments is not a skill with which one is born. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Greasers.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Apr 11, 2012
One of the service bulletins from back in the day is that huge big counterweight on the elevator controls. This makes the 520 rather heavy in controls. My instrument instructor always gives me crap for flying her with two hands, says only girls do that;) But this is part of the landing problem, I think. The controls are heavy enough that I don't feel I have enough control doing it with just one hand. So this means I have to pretty much cut the power just before the final flare and transfer my hand to the control. To compound the problem, I'm now running in a new top on the R/H engine, so am trying to avoid landings altogether...;) -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370554#370554 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: STC SA529WE - Rajay turbochargers - Help!
Date: Apr 19, 2012
Hello All, Twin Commander have a guy who is in need of the supporting supplements for STC SA529WE (RayJay Turbos) badly. He has 2 aircraft ready to go but needs the supplements. He has the initial STC but the supporting supplements (as listed on pg. 3) are nowhere to be found. Can anybody help? If so, please let me know and hopefully we can get a couple of 500Bs back in the air soon! Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Adam's 520
Date: Apr 21, 2012
Hi Commander Folks=2C Just by chance I bumped into Adam at HHR (Hawthorne =2C CA) and we had lunch there=2C a really great guy. He was having Chris at Security do a little work on his 520 and then he took off for New Orlean s. That 520 really gets off the ground quick and those augmenter tubes sou nd so cool. Regards=2CMoe MillsN680RR680F(p) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: lower cowl seal
From: scott main <scottmain2003(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 22, 2012
Hi all. I am looking for a seal for my 1955 560a/ L-26. This is the oval sh aped seal that goes on the lower engine cover (round cowl style) and seals the intake system where the cold air intake tube of the lower cowl lines up with the metal housing with the door for cold air/hot air selection that then attatches to the carburetor inlet. The parts book calls the housing an adaptor. The rubber oval shaped seal is glued onto the lower cowl and pres ses up against the carb inlet when mounted onto the airframe. The parts boo k refers to the seal as part number 2610128, there are two on each engine. Mine are getting tired and will have to be replaced. If anyone has an idea where I might look for replacement, please let me know. Thanks to all who h ave helped me keep the last L-26 flying. Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2012
From: gmosh(at)charter.net
Subject: lower cowl seal
I replaced the seals on my 560 with a clip on bulb seal From The Standard Products Company in Dearborn, Michigan part # 75001361. This is a co-extruded 'Bulb' seal with an integral wire reinforced "U" channel that attaches (pushes) onto the sheet metal edge of the cowling. This seal style is common to a myriad of automotive and marine applications. I still still have some, give me a call and I'll send a sample to you. Gary (616) 748-1705 On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Scott main wrote: Hi all. I am looking for a seal for my 1955 560a/ L-26. This is the oval shaped seal that goes on the lower engine cover (round cowl style) and seals the intake system where the cold air intake tube of the lower cowl lines up with the metal housing with the door for cold air/hot air selection that then attaches to the carburetor inlet. The parts book calls the housing an adaptor. The rubber oval shaped seal is glued onto the lower cowl and presses up against the carb inlet when mounted onto the airframe. The parts book refers to the seal as part number 2610128, there are two on each engine. Mine are getting tired and will have to be replaced. If anyone has an idea where I might look for replacement, please let me know. Thanks to all who have helped me keep the last L-26 flying. Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: lower cowl seal
From: scott main <scottmain2003(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 22, 2012
Thanks for the quick response. Sounds like a solution unless someone has th e original sitting on a shelf somewhere. If you were happy with the result, I will buy some from them and giveit a whirl. thanks again scott -----Original Message----- From: gmosh <gmosh(at)charter.net> Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 1:12 pm Subject: RE: Commander-List: lower cowl seal I replaced the seals on my 560 with a clip on bulb seal From The Standard P roducts Company in Dearborn, Michigan part # 75001361. This is a co-extrud ed 'Bulb' seal with an integral wire reinforced "U" channel that attaches ( pushes) onto the sheet metal edge of the cowling. This seal style is commo n to a myriad of automotive and marine applications. I still still have so me, give me a call and I'll send a sample to you. Gary (616) 748-1705 On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Scott main wrote: Hi all. I am looking for a seal for my 1955 560a/ L-26. This is the oval s haped seal that goes on the lower engine cover (round cowl style) and seals the intake system where the cold air intake tube of the lower cowl lines u p with the metal housing with the door for cold air/hot air selection that then attaches to the carburetor inlet. The parts book calls the housing an adaptor. The rubber oval shaped seal is glued onto the lower cowl and pres ses up against the carb inlet when mounted onto the airframe. The parts boo k refers to the seal as part number 2610128, there are two on each engine. Mine are getting tired and will have to be replaced. If anyone has an idea where I might look for replacement, please let me know. Thanks to all who h ave helped me keep the last L-26 flying. Scott -= - The Commander-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Adam's 520
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Apr 24, 2012
So nice to meet you, Moe. And thanks for lunch! I hope you get your Skydrol pump working. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371708#371708 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 25, 2012
Subject: Wing Commander Gordon
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
Hi Keith, Can you please contact me at aero560e(at)gmail.com Many thanks and cheers Russell ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 680FLP
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 25, 2012
"Calling Tom Fisher, over" Tom, I am delivering your old 680FLP to FL. It is currently at my home airport. How does the heater work?? Is there a s witch or valve that needs moved? I have done the obvious, turn the switch on and the heat up,. The light illuminates, but no heat. It even smells l ike it may be making heat, but none enters the cabin??? Thanks jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: 680FLP
Date: Apr 25, 2012
Gee I wish you had let me know when you were going to come here. The heater is a brand new digital heater, I used it once, have no idea what may be out of kilter, the engineer that put it in is no longer around, sorry. T... ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:04 AM Subject: Commander-List: 680FLP "Calling Tom Fisher, over" Tom, I am delivering your old 680FLP to FL. It is currently at my home airport. How does the heater work?? Is there a switch or valve that needs moved? I have done the obvious, turn the switch on and the heat up,. The light illuminates, but no heat. It even smells like it may be making heat, but none enters the cabin??? Thanks jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: 680FLP
Date: Apr 25, 2012
JB and Tom, Great to here another one is back into the air. Have a good flight JB. Tylor On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Tom Fisher wrote: > Gee I wish you had let me know when you were going to come here. > The heater is a brand new digital heater, I used it once, have no idea what may be out of kilter, the engineer that put it in is no longer around, sorry. > T... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:04 AM > Subject: Commander-List: 680FLP > > "Calling Tom Fisher, over" Tom, I am delivering your old 680FLP to FL. It is currently at my home airport. How does the heater work?? Is there a switch or valve that needs moved? I have done the obvious, turn the switch on and the heat up,. The light illuminates, but no heat. It even smells like it may be making heat, but none enters the cabin??? Thanks jb > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 680FLP
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Apr 25, 2012
Tight squeeze getting her out of your field, JB! -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371837#371837 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 680FLP
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 26, 2012
Yep probably will be. Lots of HP but little thrust. Should be fine but wo nt have any room for trouble. jb -----Original Message----- From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 6:44 pm Subject: Commander-List: Re: 680FLP Tight squeeze getting her out of your field, JB! -------- dam ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371837#371837 -= - The Commander-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: TCFG FLYIN
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 27, 2012
We've had a few people suggest holding the annual flyin in conjunction with the Reno Air Races again this year. Would like to hear some feedback on w hat you think of this. There are a lot of rumors swirling about that this may be the last year it will be held. Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts. ~Jim & Sue ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: TCFG FLYIN
Date: Apr 27, 2012
Hi JB, I'm definitely in favor of having the TCFG Fly-In at Reno this year. I'd like to have one more opportunity to experience the Air Races. Stan From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:37 PM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG FLYIN We've had a few people suggest holding the annual flyin in conjunction with the Reno Air Races again this year. Would like to hear some feedback on what you think of this. There are a lot of rumors swirling about that this may be the last year it will be held. Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts. ~Jim & Sue ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2012
Subject: Re: TCFG FLYIN
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
Hi Jim & Sue, Sounds like a great idea to me - I support Reno for 2012. Cheers Russell On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > We've had a few people suggest holding the annual flyin in conjunction > with the Reno Air Races again this year. Would like to hear some feedback > on what you think of this. > > There are a lot of rumors swirling about that this may be the last year it > will be held. > > Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts. > > ~Jim & Sue > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: TCFG FLYIN
Date: Apr 27, 2012
Jim and Sue, Great idea and venue. Nick ,N674NM From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:37 PM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG FLYIN We've had a few people suggest holding the annual flyin in conjunction with the Reno Air Races again this year. Would like to hear some feedback on what you think of this. There are a lot of rumors swirling about that this may be the last year it will be held. Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts. ~Jim & Sue ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: TCFG FLYIN
Date: Apr 27, 2012
I'm always down for the Reno Air Races. Let's do it! From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:37 PM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG FLYIN We've had a few people suggest holding the annual flyin in conjunction with the Reno Air Races again this year. Would like to hear some feedback on what you think of this. There are a lot of rumors swirling about that this may be the last year it will be held. Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts. ~Jim & Sue ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 27, 2012
From: John Towner <johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com>
Subject: Re: TCFG FLYIN 2012
*Hi JimBob & Sue,* My 2 cents worth ! Reno 1 more time would have to be a wonderful TCFG get together. Suggestion - let's all stay at the old Reno Hilton (I cannot remember its new name) and we could have hamburgers, fries, and milkshakes one more time at "Johnny Rockets" and tell stories. I recently watched the special 2009 TCFG DVD Sandy & Bob Steele's daughter made for us at the dinner we had with Bob Hoover and it brought back some very special memories. PS-2nd choice - the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum at Dulles in Washington DC (well worth the visit) *YOUR FRIEND, John Towner * :-) On 4/27/2012 6:37 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote: > We've had a few people suggest holding the annual flyin in conjunction > with the Reno Air Races again this year. Would like to hear some > feedback on what you think of this. > There are a lot of rumors swirling about that this may be the last > year it will be held. > Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts. > ~Jim & Sue > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: TCFG FLYIN
Date: Apr 28, 2012
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Captain Jim Bob, I would like to echo the approval of the others and make Reno the place to be this September! Bob ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 7:37 PM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG FLYIN We've had a few people suggest holding the annual flyin in conjunction with the Reno Air Races again this year. Would like to hear some feedback on what you think of this. There are a lot of rumors swirling about that this may be the last year it will be held. Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts. ~Jim & Sue ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TCFG FLYIN
From: scott main <scottmain2003(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 28, 2012
Mee too!! -----Original Message----- From: Steele, Bob <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 28, 2012 8:49 am Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG FLYIN Captain Jim Bob, I would like to echo the approval of the others and make Reno the place to be this September! Bob From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 7:37 PM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG FLYIN We've had a few people suggest holding the annual flyin in conjunction with the Reno Air Races again this year. Would like to hear some feedback on w hat you think of this. There are a lot of rumors swirling about that this may be the last year it will be held. 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