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March 29, 2013 - August 25, 2013



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From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Date: Mar 29, 2013
In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 2:39 PM Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today You will be helping make the documentary film 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking Free Shipping in US/CAN at http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 Andy Downs 58 November 1756 Cozumel Ct Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 USA 615-474-0590 Skype: Downs58November www.58November.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
From: andy(at)58November.com
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com -----Original Message----- From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy(at)58November.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 To: ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs To: commander-list(at)matronics.com= Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today You = will be helping make the documentary film 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking Free = Shipping in US/CAN at http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943 Andy Downs 58 November 1756 Cozumel = Ct Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 USA 615-474-0590 Skype: = Downs58November www.58November.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =B7~=89=B2,=03pr=89=AC=D3}=03=A2z=C1=AE ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
From: White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 30, 2013
I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander kno wledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig =46rom my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wro te: > Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussi ons about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until no w. > This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander dri vers. > If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. > Tom > (500B) > (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: andy(at)58November.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > Tom, > > Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts . > > Andy Downs > 615-474-0590 > Andy Downs > 615-474-0590 > www.58November.com > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 > To: > ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is no t a forum that likes postings such as this. > Tom > (500B) > (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: andy downs > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com= > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM > Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today > You = will be helping make the documentary film > 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking > > Free = Shipping in US/CAN > at > http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943 > > Andy Downs > 58 November > 1756 Cozumel = Ct > Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 > USA > 615-474-0590 > Skype: = Downs58November > www.58November.com > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.co m/contribution > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=C2=B7~=B0=C2=B2,=03pr=B0=C2=AC=C3=93}=03=C2=A2z=C3=81=C2 =AE > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com>
Subject: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy(at)58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com _____ From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today You = will be helping make the documentary film 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking Free = Shipping in US/CAN at http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943 Andy Downs 58 November 1756 Cozumel = Ct Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 USA 615-474-0590 Skype: = Downs58November www.58November.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/co ntribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =B7~=89=B2,=03pr=89=AC=D3}=03=A2z=C1=AE ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/13 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy(at)58November.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 To: ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs To: commander-list(at)matronics.com= Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today You = will be helping make the documentary film 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking Free = Shipping in US/CAN at http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943 Andy Downs 58 November 1756 Cozumel = Ct Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 USA 615-474-0590 Skype: = Downs58November www.58November.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/c3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D =B7~=89=B2,=03pr=89=AC=D3}=03=A2z=C1=AE ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. 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From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com>
Subject: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs <mailto:andy(at)58November.com> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy(at)58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com _____ From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. 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Subject: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
From: Don Falik <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mar 30, 2013
I agree with Tom...no sales! Don(ex 500S) Sent from my iPad On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:18 PM, "Tom Fisher" wro te: > Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussi ons about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until no w. > This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander dri vers. > If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. > Tom > (500B) > (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: andy(at)58November.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > Tom, > > Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts . > > Andy Downs > 615-474-0590 > Andy Downs > 615-474-0590 > www.58November.com > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 > To: > ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is no t a forum that likes postings such as this. > Tom > (500B) > (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: andy downs > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com= > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM > Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > Oreder Your 58 November Pilot Bal Cap Today > You = will be helping make the documentary film > 58November: First Captain killed in US Hijacking > > Free = Shipping in US/CAN > at > http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943 > > Andy Downs > 58 November > 1756 Cozumel = Ct > Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 > USA > 615-474-0590 > Skype: = Downs58November > www.58November.com > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.co m/contribution > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > =C2=C2=B7~=B0=C2=B2,=03pr=B0=C2=AC=C3=93}=03=C2=A2z=C3=81=C2 =AE > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball
Caps
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Andy, I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have. You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560. You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props. They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote: > Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com> > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 10:11 am > > > Tom & the Commander Group, > > I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. > > I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" > > This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. > You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs > > If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's > > If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support > > Thanks, > Andy Downs > 615-474-0590 > Andy(at)58November.com > http://58November.com > > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. > I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. > Tom > (500B) > (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: andy downs > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > Tom and Craig, > > First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. > > Second, I will not post any more messages like that. > > Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. > > This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. > > I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. > > My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. > I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. > > I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. > > Thanks, > Andy Downs > 1756 Cozumel Court > Murfreesboro, TN 37127 > 615-474-0590 > Andy(at)58November.com > http://58November.com > > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps > > I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. > > My 2 cents. > > Craig > > =46rom my iPhone 5! > > On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: > >> Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. >> This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. >> If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. >> Tom >> (500B) >> (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: andy(at)58November.com >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps >> >> Tom, >> >> Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. >> >> Andy Downs >> 615-474-0590 >> Andy Downs >> 615-474-0590 >> www.58November.com >> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> >> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 >> To: >> ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps >> >> In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. >> Tom >> (500B) >> (680FLP (Mr. RPM)) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: andy downs >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com= >> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 = 2:39 PM >> Subject: Commander-List: = Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps >> >> http://igg.me/at/58Novembe= r/x/1678943 >> >> Andy Downs >> 58 November >> 1756 Cozumel = Ct >> Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37128 >> USA >> www.58November.com >> >> >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.co m/c3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D >> >> =B7~=89=B2,=03pr=89=AC=D3}=03=A2z=C1=AE >> >> >> ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> ========= >> cs.com >> ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========= >> > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/13 > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/28/13 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball
Caps
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Good eye Tylor.... I at the time I did the art work I could not find a suitable picture of a 681 Turbo Commander. If anyone has a good photo at that same angle I would love to incorporate it into the title card. The film will be ready about 140 days after I raise the funding. Currently I have about 12 interviews to complete in Jacksonville, Atlanta and Nashville. I have located 3 FBI agents who were involved on the ramp at JAX, the ATC Chief in JAX, the Federal Judge that heard the air piracy criminal trial against the surviving hijacking Bobby Wayne Wallace, and many other eyewitnesses and attorneys. I have shot about 25% of the film over the last 6 years and am out of funding. It has taken years to collect the documents from the FBI and National Archives. To date I have over 11,000 files from FBI and court records. This is a private url address I have posted some info on just for those interested. Pease be aware that there are crime scene photos on this site. I think it would go unsaid that you please not distribute these unless you ask me. What you will see is the last photo of my father ever taken. You will also see the FBI Policy Manual on Hijacking that governed the FBI agent's actions. These documents go straight to the heart of the Pilot-In-Command issues and authority that has eroded over the past decade. Additionally you will see the handwritten note from J Edgar Hoover ordering commendations for the agents in Jacksonville. http://imgur.com/a/t3vU3 I have other info for those that would like to help out. This story is not just about my family loss. It goes to every pilot in the sky who will find themselves being ignored by authorities if they are ever in a hijacking crisis. I look forward to your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Andy, I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have. You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560. You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props. They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote: Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 10:11 am Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy <mailto:andy(at)58November.com> downs Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy(at)58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com <http://www.58November.com/> _____ From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. 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From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball
Caps
Date: Mar 30, 2013
One note, this url I sent you http://imgur.com/a/t3vU3 does not have my father's picture in it. The pictures are of the victim Susan Gogge and the Hijacker George Giffe It also contain emails with FBI-FOIA officials, FBI policy manuals and FBI memos from J Edgar Hoover. This url address contains two picture of the 681 Commander and the bullet holes through the windshield next to where my father was killed. http://imgur.com/a/P8XwN Andy _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Andy, I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have. You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560. You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props. They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote: Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 10:11 am Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy <mailto:andy(at)58November.com> downs Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy(at)58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com <http://www.58November.com/> _____ From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. 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From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball
Caps
Date: Mar 30, 2013
This private site contains letters from US Senators, more crime scene photos, FBi files ,etc on my father's case. This url does contain my father;s picture in the front of the 681 Commander http://imgur.com/a/7dTu9 Andy _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Andy, I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have. You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560. You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props. They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote: Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 10:11 am Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy <mailto:andy(at)58November.com> downs Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy(at)58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com <http://www.58November.com/> _____ From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. 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From: "Nico CSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball
Caps
Date: Mar 30, 2013
I feel if a Commander product/interest is offered to the list it's to the benefit of all. If I am trying to sell you a good block of stocks in the Brooklyn Bridge, I agree that would be inappropriate, but to have a blanket ban on Commander stuff/interests is not serving the community. Just don't respond and move on. I appreciate folks advertising their wares on the list. One day someone might just put something on the list that someone else is looking for, or remember it was offered before. I remember many occasions where this has happened. Struts, instruments, cylinders, propellers, many things have changed hands through this list by folks who advertised their stuff. We have Commander sponsors on our website, I invite Commander providers to advertise on the Commander Facebook page; it's what makes the world go around. So, there is my speech. PS. You wanna piece of the Brooklyn bridge? From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of andy downs Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:53 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps This private site contains letters from US Senators, more crime scene photos, FBi files ,etc on my father's case. This url does contain my father;s picture in the front of the 681 Commander http://imgur.com/a/7dTu9 Andy _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Andy, I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in Trade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have. You are using a short body, Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an early 680/560. You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks more like the 690 Turbo Props. They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:08 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote: Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luck. Jd Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 10:11 am Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Don't get me wrong, I read your post, went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders. I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in your endeavours, it is just the ad I did not like. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs <mailto:andy(at)58November.com> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig, First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a unique project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Second, I will not post any more messages like that. Third, I will leave it to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal effects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all take the time to check out out site. I think if you do, you will want to help in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has caused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don;t want to leave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would like to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hijacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks, Andy Downs 1756 Cozumel Court Murfreesboro, TN 37127 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com http://58November.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps I'd prefer this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30, 2013, at 7:18 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote: Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders, no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the site until now. This is my preference, thought I knew the minds of my fellow Commander drivers. If no one else objects I guess times have changed, fill your boots. Tom (500B) (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) ----- Original Message ----- From: andy(at)58November.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom, Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy Downs 615-474-0590 www.58November.com <http://www.58November.com/> _____ From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:50:52 -0700 ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps In my esteemed opinion, as noble as your cause = may be, this is not a forum that likes postings such as this. 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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot
Ball Caps
Date: Mar 30, 2013
I agree with Nico. Moe Mills N680RR680F(p) From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilo t Ball Caps Date: Sat=2C 30 Mar 2013 18:54:57 -0700 I feel if a Commander product/interest is offered to the list it's to the b enefit of all. If I am trying to sell you a good block of stocks in the Bro oklyn Bridge=2C I agree that would be inappropriate=2C but to have a blanke t ban on Commander stuff/interests is not serving the community. Just don't respond and move on. I appreciate folks advertising their wares on the lis t. One day someone might just put something on the list that someone else i s looking for=2C or remember it was offered before. I remember many occasio ns where this has happened. Struts=2C instruments=2C cylinders=2C propeller s=2C many things have changed hands through this list by folks who advertis ed their stuff. We have Commander sponsors on our website=2C I invite Comma nder providers to advertise on the Commander Facebook page=3B it's what mak es the world go around. So=2C there is my speech. PS. You wanna piece of th e Brooklyn bridge? From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto :owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of andy downs Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 5:53 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilo t Ball Caps This private site contains letters from US Senators=2C more cri me scene photos=2C FBi files =2Cetc on my father's case.This url does conta in my father=3Bs picture in the front of the 681 Commanderhttp://imgur.com/ a/7dTu9 Andy From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner- commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilo t Ball CapsAndy=2C I have a technical question. I have seen your adv. in T rade-a-Plane and looking at the Hat you have.You are using a short body=2C Per- 1960 Piston engine Aero Commander with the Round Nacelles like an earl y 680/560.You 58N was a long body Turbo Prop Aero Commander 681 and looks m ore like the 690 Turbo Props.They look very different. What is the reason for using the wrong photo? How soon can we expect to see the Movie? Tylor Hall On Mar 30=2C 2013=2C at 3:08 PM=2C yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:Andy. I see nothing wrong with your post and hope all on the list support you. Good luc k. Jd Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Date: Sat=2C Mar 30=2C 2013 10:11 am Tom & the Commander Group=2C I appreci ate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/ x/1678943 . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word t hat will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff=2C "No Bucks=2C No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their r aid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's la st known words.You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact t he owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Comm unity College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your supp ort Thanks=2CAndy Downs615-474-0590Andy@58November.comhttp://58November.com From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-l ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball CapsDon't get me wrong=2C I read your post=2C went to your site and was further informed in my knowledge of Commanders.I am continually disgusted by the antics of some gun wielding authorities so I feel for you and would support you in yo ur endeavours=2C it is just the ad I did not like.Tom(500B)(680FLP (Mr.RPM) )----- Original Message ----- From: andy downs To: commander-list@matronics .com Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 8:11 AMSubject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom and Craig=2C First I want to say I apologize for any hard feelings anyone has about my posts. This is a uni que project that directly pertains to the history of the Commander series. I think that is why I was referred to this site by one of your members. Sec ond=2C I will not post any more messages like that. Third=2C I will leave i t to the group to decide if they will get behind this project or not. This hijacking is a lost part of aviation and Commander history. It had legal e ffects on law enforcement and PIC authority rights. I hope you will all tak e the time to check out out site. I think if you do=2C you will want to hel p in some way. I am truly sorry for any offense me or the 58 November has c aused anyone. I have worked on this for years and I sure don=3Bt want to le ave a bad note with anyone. My information is listed below. If you would li ke to help in some way me and my family would be truly grateful. I do wish you all well and hope to hear from you in the near future. I have attached a picture for you all of Commander 58 November in Jacksonville after the hi jacking took place. I hope you can appreciate the gesture. Thanks=2CAndy Do wns1756 Cozumel CourtMurfreesboro=2C TN 37127615-474-0590Andy(at)58November.co mhttp://58November.com From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [ma ilto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps Sent: Saturday=2C March 30=2C 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball CapsI'd prefe r this not become a marketplace and stay with sharing Commander knowledge. There are thousands of sales sites already. My 2 cents. Craig >From my iPhone 5! On Mar 30=2C 2013=2C at 7:18 AM=2C "Tom Fisher" wrote:Since I have been a member on this Commander site it was used for discussions about Commanders=2C no one has placed a "Buy now!" ad on the s ite until now.This is my preference=2C thought I knew the minds of my fello w Commander drivers.If no one else objects I guess times have changed=2C fi ll your boots.Tom(500B)(680FLP (Mr.RPM))----- Original Message ----- From: andy(at)58November.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday=2C March 29=2C 2013 3:25 PMSubject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Tom=2C Would you mind offering me why? I am sincerely interested in your thoughts. 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Subject: Happy Easter
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 31, 2013
Happy Easter to all my Commander Family!! I hope y'all have a blessed day! ! Remember the true meaning of this day for HE has risen!! Give thanks and praise!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Ferry pilot
From: "Heron" <Seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
I am seeking an experienced 685 pilot who would like to accompany me across the atlantic in late May. The person I am seeking should have an instructors rating. The planned route is New York Gander Greenland Iceland Faroe Is Preswick London. From here I will fly the rest of the route back to Australia. Heron : Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397451#397451 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
From: "Peter Bichier" <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Andy, Thank you for sharing such a poignant piece of history, I have indeed read all your posts and would gladly read more. Have you considered writing the full story on a short book, booklet or blog? I see you have one, but I saw bits and pieces but not an entire story put together. For example I still can't figure out if the hijacker survived or not (it seems that on one of the TV news they were saying he had survived; but you also mentioned he shot himself). Anyways, my point is that may be the story could start taking off on its own as a book, best seller of sort and then it could be further developed as a documentary. Sorry for your terrible loss and best regards to your family and you have our support in any ways we can. If in your research or travel you have to stay close to SFO, let us know, we will gladly take care of you in Santa Cruz (only 1 hr south). As far as 681 pictures you have to query "Aero Commander" or "Twin Commander" or "Aerocommander" "Rockwell Commander" several picture sites and pick up the 680V, 681, Turbo Commander, 690. I would look in: For ex at www.airliners.net: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aero-Commander-680V/2041310/L/&sid=55279c8a31cac83a3593e2e55a51dbd6 Check also: http://jetphotos.net http://www.planepictures.net http://www.airplane-pictures.net http://www.airteamimages.com Good luck, Sincerely, Peter Bichier ----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" Subject: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 10:11 am Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 (http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943) . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs) If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com (Andy(at)58November.com) http://58November.com (http://58November.com/) -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397621#397621 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Subject: Re: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps
Here is a couple photos of 58N: taken Sept 1993 http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1193588/ http://www.airliners.net/photo/1002493/ In a message dated 4/2/2013 2:15:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, yvabe560(at)gmail.com writes: --> Commander-List message posted by: "Peter Bichier" Andy, Thank you for sharing such a poignant piece of history, I have indeed read all your posts and would gladly read more. Have you considered writing the full story on a short book, booklet or blog? I see you have one, but I saw bits and pieces but not an entire story put together. For example I still can't figure out if the hijacker survived or not (it seems that on one of the TV news they were saying he had survived; but you also mentioned he shot himself). Anyways, my point is that may be the story could start taking off on its own as a book, best seller of sort and then it could be further developed as a documentary. Sorry for your terrible loss and best regards to your family and you have our support in any ways we can. If in your research or travel you have to stay close to SFO, let us know, we will gladly take care of you in Santa Cruz (only 1 hr south). As far as 681 pictures you have to query "Aero Commander" or "Twin Commander" or "Aerocommander" "Rockwell Commander" several picture sites and pick up the 680V, 681, Turbo Commander, 690. I would look in: For ex at www.airliners.net: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aero-Commander-680V/2041310/L/&sid=55279c8a31 cac83a3593e2e55a51dbd6 Check also: http://jetphotos.net http://www.planepictures.net http://www.airplane-pictures.net http://www.airteamimages.com Good luck, Sincerely, Peter Bichier ----- Reply message ----- From: "andy downs" Subject: Commander 58 November Pilot Ball Caps Date: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 10:11 am Tom & the Commander Group, I appreciate the time you took in checking out the link http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943 (http://igg.me/at/58November/x/1678943) . I do understand your concerns on ads. You all do have my word that will not happen again. I do hope you will all look at the site and help us make the 58 November project a reality. No one person can make anything happen in life. This is no different. As they said in the movie The Right Stuff, "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers" This is a YouTube video of my father trying to negotiate with the FBI agents in Jacksonville just before their raid was executed. These are the actual ATC tapes and some of my father's last known words. You will see a picture of my father's 681 Turbo Commander on the screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mySNO2IKyQs) If any of you know where a 681 Turbo Commander is located these days I would love to contact the owner. My father's Commander (N-9058N) is now in the Broward County Community College being used as a maintenance plane for future A&P's If any of you can help please contact me. I do appreciate your concerns and your support Thanks, Andy Downs 615-474-0590 Andy(at)58November.com (Andy(at)58November.com) http://58November.com (http://58November.com/) -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397621#397621 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nico Nicsysco" <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Subject: This nation
Date: Apr 04, 2013
Folks, Aviation or not, Commanders or not, but if we are not going to reverse this breakdown of our liberties, not much of what we love or want will matter. It's not a political statement, it's an apolitical statement of fact. I agree politics shouldn't feature on these lists, although oftentimes the pressure of what's happening in the political arena became so high that it managed to trickle through. I have been spending a fortune and a lot of time these past couple of years trying to do my part here at home, since there are young men and women in places and facing dangers that we cannot even comprehend. I have lived through this gradual but continuous call to compromise once before in the old country, and in the end a communist government has taken over, after the ground was soiled with our loved-ones' blood. The signs we see here today are identical to what we fought against, voted against, and lost, in the 1970's and 1980's. We could have picked England or Australia to live, but we picked the United States for one reason only: individual liberty is sovereign. Not the mob and not a politburo. Neither an emperor. There is nowhere else on the planet a place where individual liberty is sovereign. This is it and it is in intensive care on assisted breathing. Doing nothing is a death sentence. Please take a look at this initiative and participate if you wish. Refer to others whom you may believe will benefit from it. We cannot be all on the battle field, but we can certainly make a difference by standing together. Listen to my radio talk show by following The Show menu and you will get an idea of what I am doing. http://www.americanuniverse.net/FoundingMembers.aspx Let me know what you think. Many Thanks, Nico van Niekerk ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2013
From: <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com>
Subject: Nose Wheel Steering Collar
Developing shimmy in the nose wheel on my 560E. Lots of play in the nose wheel steering collar. Any way to shim this? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Nose Wheel Steering Collar
Date: Apr 07, 2013
You can get a new "puck" and spring from Gary Gadberry. >From my iPhone 5! On Apr 7, 2013, at 10:03 AM, wrote: > > Developing shimmy in the nose wheel on my 560E. Lots of play in the nose wheel steering collar. Any way to shim this? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ferry pilot
From: "n395v" <airboss(at)bearcataviation.com>
Date: Apr 09, 2013
Might help if you posted some contact information. -------- Milt Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398245#398245 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Need a Tach Gage for 680F
Date: Apr 23, 2013
Hello Commander colleagues, I am in need of a tach gage for my 680F. The part number of the defective gage is AN5530-2-12. The Parts Manual calls out a part number of 3850083. Please contact me for photos of the gage that has come out of the plane. Hope you can help me out. Thanks. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Need a Tach Gage for 680F
Date: Apr 23, 2013
Randy=2C Are you absolutely sure that it is the gage and not the sender? I have had sender problems in the past=2C but understand that the gages them selves seldom have problems. Is the problem on both dial hands or only one ? Regards=2C Moe MillsN680RR680F(p) From: rcdettmer(at)charter.net Subject: Commander-List: Need a Tach Gage for 680F Date: Tue=2C 23 Apr 2013 13:34:42 -0700 Hello Commander colleagues=2CI am in need of a tach gage for my 680F. The part number of the defective gage is AN5530-2-12. The Parts Manual calls out a part number of 3850083. Please contact me for photos of the gage tha t has come out of the plane. Hope you can help me out. Thanks. Randy Dett mer=2C AIA=2C NCARB680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture663 Hill StreetSan Lu is Obispo=2C CA 93405805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865www.dettmerarchitectur e.com R0lGODlhfgAmAPcAAP3k7tYAOXwAK2wAJtwATL3Gw4iIiHkoRHt7e87Ozt7e3llZWerq6rQAPo5a bEtLS/XL2uLi4u3t7elUh25ubhsbG5qamt8ATUsAGoyMjN0jY2MAIloAH/79/vj4+JsANtEASF0B Ie3c4ugAUOYAUCoqKuOEpMpXf7CwsKamptUASvWuxjw8PNoASxISEmVlZUVFRYwAMZWVlVcyO3Bw cDkAFLwAQTIyMr6+vvIAU8kARgoJCvW0ylQAHdoMUMfHx4eHhyEhIWJiYqEAOLcqW94ARv/x+IGB gYQALlRUVJ8ANbgAQNjY2K4APDU1Nbe3t6UAOcEAQ/r//hgsJsrKysUARP7z+Ovk59YAQdkASXZ2 dqkAOqyzsVBQUKKiouYATzUAEuEATuxzneEARgoAAyMADKmpqeEATDwiLOgUXf7t9GhoaNbW1pAA MtLS0vv2+SkADtgASx0ACpkALbm5ua08Y0FBQfT09PLy8kAAFt7m43UAKAQBApCQkP/7/doIT0NL SNgARNwSV+pKgiUlJcoAQfJbj5YANM0ARxAABtwAQOcra1xdXNoFToEALO5umMQAPuNDetgASN0b XKoANOUATS0AELETSKcAL+AzbnAAJ0cAGJQAM4gAL4cAK+UAT+MATuQAT+IATtra2snJyeMAT9XV 1fv7+4SEhOTk5Pf39+IATMTExLS0tOQATuI+dK8TSRwAANbU1eUEUsEGRUdHR5OgnPj8+/NekHNp avjT3+/49bSztC8vL8DJxr0dU2U9SoWKiO6PsM8ASNwET+UBR/GeuuwPWywzMfqFrckTT/3a5+pC fJBqd6dMbP/B1fD39LbEv4uOjVoeMrYOScLCwtGOpMmMoV5WWdyYsNdXhHN0dN8va+2Hp++Hq/73 +X8JLsMARJoGOf74+vBgkjc4N2JmZe9gkDgsMO9tlu4HV30SNTEJFz0EGNXZ2DwXIv7S4eLZ3f/Z 6BYACJY4WeINUz9NSMvIyaUyVTYACv/J3fb//eSku9kAS////wAAACH5BAAAAAAALAAAAAB+ACYA AAj/AP8JHEiwoMGDCBMqXMiwocOHECNKnEixosWLGDNq3Mixo8ePIEOKHEmypMmTKFOqXMlSIxkO MGPGDIHBEhmMiSzBgWMp0cAyOuGUadlRDoERn5IqVXohyp55Fjl86tcPFIaBTcL0u2DjJlGNckAQ oEq2bIsLI6pYqhhiBAECn64KbFKKQJiuXyvu2DEw7Ng4BL4oJVGqBVVQOoYW5FOmxwZNHGr4LCj1 sNx/Wbfi/UcmkefJ8zAMGLBpskAwjzlY4oNQzqbHG/JAJcjncyLWZPIM2GC6od+tTXrE3PDhLdUv Qygv6VeKBNILOgRMDrFlydh+BBooGTIE0VgCIKBs/+EQA4QORFHK7AHxZcSIUDp6/CsDBe2IL9lr FMyzRUWp9l+Igggniv3Tgwo66KACBnDYAMoIJKz10G+htGFQD8a9JSEfnQR4HVVnjWDDUEjkcEEc ZF3gCiigfNgCKDkIcAh+FyDyAX5lXXBBCEuMYBiIoRCQx0AbiBJkWdiNoMKQ/7T1FigCRDHVWHBA RKGFBjkyVT8jaCKQIz5SZR8oP36xxD8lnkhVHKJ84aaLX8TICSgphuGmmv2c9dYnX1xAlihR3ISB KNdd4NyR/YQBQpWV9ROHWFRRaSWkFR5kSQtjibLFP2CEcR0oDew2xAXXjTBAHo5AcR0BHwjgqg7f If/iCBJ5fECnmA0I4EgVfqaISCcCLNFrP19sQoYOfsYRRnQbxBBHr19s2ih2LbiSFCgSOnTlQWRE 4WdT/zhCAlWiQOHVPwNcYNgFVdzUqCiXZcaVV0PcCgoUrP0jB6+R6lDlP/N4S9UIG/Qwgpg2yDFQ DSqMdVZjW2JHwCEcbIJBbwxte1BmBCRmg58EqPDvQEqUQu6QjVqFlVbzClQvVZ9wQFAMW36xB0Fa wizjraHIR5AAWxKMwbh5XuDzRBob9HLHeUBKACKajDbaBlv0SsIG/7wbL8ubvZwokwIJ8AXMMg80 wMH9iNJJA722gITUu3HS6ydt9BAKuZtWlHRBHEf/sQkBP7bgnHvu4UmCAFlvqfJcXNNLZwth6DeQ 2GQTdDZVYRwSzoelEO5eGCimrQQHd/fzSQwW7T0QGfyG0UQewxLA4uy0i5IDEomTu7VmjucZ+c9j m162QJdvdUgV17UgCu20uzJCEyHc+kknqVOKZUFgAN5PKARiip0O23EnvvhbhJB7Vbu3/M/LkEse dvAxW452GDFE4bAKUIyvPxQCRA8z9Xqz3kE6sSUShIAMwxhLGBqQL4VobWW8c9njfje5L2RBePKj SikcUTXsxKFACGnU9Ko3lkrtx3shU1gDtIIp9wkkD8AARghCwCjFpa8r5UCGEiaon3L04h8CKEYj /zBoNrR9Yg9I2FIozMeHfIEhBDAJARhI9z8S9sMVh5iHHLYIhwGooFcjwJIm0NaUbG1iEmrwBy6K sZaU3ZAM7ijAHEThOzD8YxRPAGIyxICF+BXxOHuoQekIUIhpcOEG/4BDFZASJw5gYEsjDOB1VACC SoLAdH9BjMLm80VHnWgLbWiCIh5hBQA8wxMCCUElApGFIlBiDwPgAyWKgIUWqCAGIpDjGLAQiN8l oRb/AIcauhEAPxIPbV9AHCaKIIl+KCId/sDHHFTAzKrYIGuVyEIgKoFKSYLoLeAE0Rd04EIOiKJX BDBSGLKgixU8wh/oEAgG0sANHwyCGeqAxA7qYP+ISPwhEKGQRzTEMYgJaKAI+qlABf5BDysYQwOz kNkNFmCPdYyBKpVwxBQcMAhBYEEQwvAHOdJAjEwIYhUqAMMUDiCKP2SiHnUAhAsE0osFdGGmvtle GHbK0zAYaQRhGMImCdIDEIyAVC1oQSBe4Y8JXEIK0hAIGU5gBR74owOLUMY9/PEGf0BgEkWAhx7i 4Q9/+OEc+bgjL3ZwhbIC4BgbsIU/VCEFNUSiCGf4Az/8sYt9AEADYiirP7whCH8YAhJ2LIA+irCI cazAD/4Qwj/M4A8P+EMCMGjIPLbQhM56trNb+MAewNDAgpQhWJdsARaMcYtp/AMFEsApNvwhghP/ aIMWPNgFINrhDCmsoBAQ8Mc1YEGEKwCAHXfM4wGMkA1YUMIa/ljDDoJQACP8AhMmiO4OeqGHZVAj uxNohAb84QCv+AICmCACV5vBCBegQrtBYAUDFkoSPshhJ+/4hhcEAoPoCmQBkf0HH9DhDy0M5AXb SIQpFJCv9wYhuf/YgQSA8A8XeCAFA+lFgf8hgVYMpBbB4EMu/DGDWKDBHwsYCClI8Y8S+MMCAnEB HmAskCD4gwYpMYc/eHEEIMjAHz/4rz+cIJAu+AOYBWFCkAVCAX88GI8RnvA/nOCPVFAhAVh+cQX8 gQCDNBmRNk6xQFbc4hvT1B8RuHKWZZCSapxi/8EKYEIE/GGHfwAYkf9Igj8ym+Ql/6PJT86jhCnM An88ARUZyIABtFALQmy4IF/+R5hVzGIXU0AgN/BHKxCtaATw2SQuzgBBqIzhOwukHP54wUAo8AQX mMLPgIbwoCXtjz4MZAcLCIKF98tfKlTgBf4As38FrIAgW1ogFegAhQWCa0Kg5AhDLsgP7rADPeN5 B2xww0wrYOV/KHnVTpY1A1LAlyecggUCAUKAzaCKH+4AB3jAtT+6UGEPoEAga/AHDsp8aYGgwAPo /ge0xVySHTCACgYB9gseEOyBOIEBHnCDByJQAm/DOtxQ/gcd/HEHXSfAH2yYM5v/UYGPm0ICHnOg txNO4Q8MW8AfDGBABNzACn4PJAim8AcTUlFrlLiAET8siAsWwIIKLACnyN5GH2iA0wfUWSCEWABf HhDwCqyBAjPdgRAU/XRmv6APCHiwQFigBXrzoQsZQEAFbpDZoTv71ozIABBgUNq82P3ueM/7QAIC ADs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Need a Tach Gage for 680F
Date: Apr 23, 2013
Hi Moe, My mechanics tell me that it is definitely the gage. They checked the tach generators on both engines and they operate correctly. The needle for the left engine is sluggish at best and completely inoperative at worst. The right engine needle is OK. Randy logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need a Tach Gage for 680F Randy, Are you absolutely sure that it is the gage and not the sender? I have had sender problems in the past, but understand that the gages themselves seldom have problems. Is the problem on both dial hands or only one? Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: rcdettmer(at)charter.net Subject: Commander-List: Need a Tach Gage for 680F Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:34:42 -0700 Hello Commander colleagues, I am in need of a tach gage for my 680F. The part number of the defective gage is AN5530-2-12. The Parts Manual calls out a part number of 3850083. Please contact me for photos of the gage that has come out of the plane. Hope you can help me out. Thanks. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Need a Tach Gage for 680F
Date: Apr 23, 2013
Hi Randy=2C Didn't mean to bug=2C just acting upon prior experience. Sorry to say=2C I don't have any gages. MoeN6800RR680F(p) From: rcdettmer(at)charter.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need a Tach Gage for 680F Date: Tue=2C 23 Apr 2013 14:27:20 -0700 Hi Moe=2CMy mechanics tell me that it is definitely the gage. They checked the tach generators on both engines and they operate correctly. The needl e for the left engine is sluggish at best and completely inoperative at wor st. The right engine needle is OK. Randy Dettmer Architecture663 Hill Str eetSan Luis Obispo=2C CA 93405805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865www.dettmerar chitecture.com From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owne r-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Tuesday=2C April 23=2C 2013 2:12 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need a Tach Gage for 680F Randy=2C Are you absolutely sure that it is the gage and not the sender? I have had sender problems in the past=2C but understand that the gages themselves se ldom have problems. Is the problem on both dial hands or only one? Regards=2C Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) From: rcdettmer(at)charter.net Subject: Commander-List: Need a Tach Gage for 680F Date: Tue=2C 23 Apr 2013 13:34:42 -0700Hello Commander colleagues=2CI am in need of a tach gage for my 680F. The part number of the defective gage i s AN5530-2-12. The Parts Manual calls out a part number of 3850083. Pleas e contact me for photos of the gage that has come out of the plane. Hope y ou can help me out. Thanks. 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From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Need a Tach Gage for 680F
Date: Apr 24, 2013
Thanks for your interest Moe. I have tracked down several gages on ebay and controller. Randy logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:32 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need a Tach Gage for 680F Hi Randy, Didn't mean to bug, just acting upon prior experience. Sorry to say, I don't have any gages. Moe N6800RR 680F(p) _____ From: rcdettmer(at)charter.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need a Tach Gage for 680F Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:27:20 -0700 Hi Moe, My mechanics tell me that it is definitely the gage. They checked the tach generators on both engines and they operate correctly. The needle for the left engine is sluggish at best and completely inoperative at worst. The right engine needle is OK. Randy logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need a Tach Gage for 680F Randy, Are you absolutely sure that it is the gage and not the sender? I have had sender problems in the past, but understand that the gages themselves seldom have problems. Is the problem on both dial hands or only one? Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: rcdettmer(at)charter.net Subject: Commander-List: Need a Tach Gage for 680F Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:34:42 -0700 Hello Commander colleagues, I am in need of a tach gage for my 680F. The part number of the defective gage is AN5530-2-12. The Parts Manual calls out a part number of 3850083. Please contact me for photos of the gage that has come out of the plane. Hope you can help me out. Thanks. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X logoRED-126x38@72dpi <http://image001.gif@01CE402E.4DBC4360> Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: joel carter <joel.carter131(at)GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers
Date: May 01, 2013
Hello, my name is Joel Carter. I am interested in learning the real world numbers regarding the straight 500. Typical useful loads, speed,% power, altitude and ff. I read in a Mar 1960 Flying pirep that proper rigging can influence TAS and stall characteristics. Finally, I would like to know what impact the spar cap problems (AD history) have on present and future ownership. Are there any other issues to be concerned about? Thank you for your time. JMC ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: May 06, 2013
Since nobody else has answered you, I'll give it a go even though I only run a 520. Depending on what model of 500 you run, they have roughly a useful load of about 1500-2000lbs and will cruise on paper at 170-190kts at 10000ft. The old 520 I fly, with roughly the same specs, is published to run at 171kts at 10K. In reality, it will do less. I normally cruise at 140kts to save on gas, but she'll do 160-165 balls to the wall TAS. My useful load is about 1700lbs on paper, but closer to 1400lbs after new weigh in. The spar AD comes in few different flavors. The biggest one is the spar cap where they had some galvanic corrosion between the stainless steel bit and the aluminium. I forget when it came in to place, but I think the models after 1968 are the more susceptible. It's no big deal. The Commander wing is strong and it's relatively easy to comply with. I wish I'd bought a 500B when I bought mine as they're well supported and solid machines. But I couldn't afford one at the time, so got the 520 instead. She's a great little aircraft with smashing short field capabilities, but getting harder to support and service every year. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400032#400032 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers
From: joel carter <joel.carter131(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: May 06, 2013
Thanks Adam; I appreciate your response. After I learn what I want to know about the "straight 500", I'll have some questions about your 520 -------- Joel On May 6, 2013, at 5:50 AM, stratobee wrote: > > Since nobody else has answered you, I'll give it a go even though I only run a 520. Depending on what model of 500 you run, they have roughly a useful load of about 1500-2000lbs and will cruise on paper at 170-190kts at 10000ft. The old 520 I fly, with roughly the same specs, is published to run at 171kts at 10K. In reality, it will do less. I normally cruise at 140kts to save on gas, but she'll do 160-165 balls to the wall TAS. My useful load is about 1700lbs on paper, but closer to 1400lbs after new weigh in. > > The spar AD comes in few different flavors. The biggest one is the spar cap where they had some galvanic corrosion between the stainless steel bit and the aluminium. I forget when it came in to place, but I think the models after 1968 are the more susceptible. It's no big deal. The Commander wing is strong and it's relatively easy to comply with. > > I wish I'd bought a 500B when I bought mine as they're well supported and solid machines. But I couldn't afford one at the time, so got the 520 instead. She's a great little aircraft with smashing short field capabilities, but getting harder to support and service every year. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400032#400032 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nico Nicsysco" <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Subject: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers
Date: May 06, 2013
Hi Joel, I flew a straight 500 for about 1,000 hours but that was about 25 years ago, so I don't remember much of the operational data any longer. I do remember, however, that it would never do 190kts in level flight as Adam has stated but it wasn't subject to spar inspections (1959 model) and it burned about 11 gal per side (imperial gallons). It is a great hauler if you operate near sea level but not above, say, 5,000 ft runway alt. The maintenance on the airframe and systems was not exorbitant and the 250hp direct drive Lycomings were unbeatable for reliability. Here I am flying her in 1984: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA&list=PLAC685237DC2D98C7 Once I had to almost-evacuate 8 people off an island in the Indian Ocean. At sea level the 500 took 9 people with scuba gear off of a small strip without drama for the pilot. Some of the pax were fighter jocks and they had concerns but came to love the Commander after we had to make another landing before we could fly home. I can find the video of the trip and send it to you if you are interested. Many thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of joel carter Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers --> Thanks Adam; I appreciate your response. After I learn what I want to know about the "straight 500", I'll have some questions about your 520 -------- Joel On May 6, 2013, at 5:50 AM, stratobee wrote: > --> > > Since nobody else has answered you, I'll give it a go even though I only run a 520. Depending on what model of 500 you run, they have roughly a useful load of about 1500-2000lbs and will cruise on paper at 170-190kts at 10000ft. The old 520 I fly, with roughly the same specs, is published to run at 171kts at 10K. In reality, it will do less. I normally cruise at 140kts to save on gas, but she'll do 160-165 balls to the wall TAS. My useful load is about 1700lbs on paper, but closer to 1400lbs after new weigh in. > > The spar AD comes in few different flavors. The biggest one is the spar cap where they had some galvanic corrosion between the stainless steel bit and the aluminium. I forget when it came in to place, but I think the models after 1968 are the more susceptible. It's no big deal. The Commander wing is strong and it's relatively easy to comply with. > > I wish I'd bought a 500B when I bought mine as they're well supported and solid machines. But I couldn't afford one at the time, so got the 520 instead. She's a great little aircraft with smashing short field capabilities, but getting harder to support and service every year. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400032#400032 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers
From: joel carter <joel.carter131(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: May 07, 2013
Thanks Nico, I think Adam was referring to later model 500s such as the B, U or S models when he mentioned 190 kts cruise. That sounds like quite an adventure you had with your 500 from that island in the Indian Ocean. Sure, I'd love to see the video. Let me know. Thanks, Joel On May 6, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Nico Nicsysco wrote: > > Hi Joel, > > I flew a straight 500 for about 1,000 hours but that was about 25 years ago, > so I don't remember much of the operational data any longer. I do remember, > however, that it would never do 190kts in level flight as Adam has stated > but it wasn't subject to spar inspections (1959 model) and it burned about > 11 gal per side (imperial gallons). It is a great hauler if you operate near > sea level but not above, say, 5,000 ft runway alt. The maintenance on the > airframe and systems was not exorbitant and the 250hp direct drive Lycomings > were unbeatable for reliability. > > Here I am flying her in 1984: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA&list=PLAC685237DC2D98C7 > > Once I had to almost-evacuate 8 people off an island in the Indian Ocean. At > sea level the 500 took 9 people with scuba gear off of a small strip without > drama for the pilot. Some of the pax were fighter jocks and they had > concerns but came to love the Commander after we had to make another landing > before we could fly home. > > I can find the video of the trip and send it to you if you are interested. > > Many thanks > > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of joel carter > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:43 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers > > --> > > Thanks Adam; I appreciate your response. After I learn what I want to know > about the "straight 500", I'll have some questions about your 520 > -------- > Joel > On May 6, 2013, at 5:50 AM, stratobee wrote: > >> --> >> >> Since nobody else has answered you, I'll give it a go even though I only > run a 520. Depending on what model of 500 you run, they have roughly a > useful load of about 1500-2000lbs and will cruise on paper at 170-190kts at > 10000ft. The old 520 I fly, with roughly the same specs, is published to run > at 171kts at 10K. In reality, it will do less. I normally cruise at 140kts > to save on gas, but she'll do 160-165 balls to the wall TAS. My useful load > is about 1700lbs on paper, but closer to 1400lbs after new weigh in. >> >> The spar AD comes in few different flavors. The biggest one is the spar > cap where they had some galvanic corrosion between the stainless steel bit > and the aluminium. I forget when it came in to place, but I think the models > after 1968 are the more susceptible. It's no big deal. The Commander wing is > strong and it's relatively easy to comply with. >> >> I wish I'd bought a 500B when I bought mine as they're well supported and > solid machines. But I couldn't afford one at the time, so got the 520 > instead. She's a great little aircraft with smashing short field > capabilities, but getting harder to support and service every year. >> >> -------- >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400032#400032 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers
Date: May 07, 2013
If I ever meet a 500B that flies at 190kts cruise, I'd buy it. I can go 190 up high, with full boost in my 500B if it's exceptionally cold out, the airplane is washed, and there are no loose rivets, but I have to be willing to use 34 gallons per hour to do it. You can block a 500B at 170kts. It will fly ~175kts in cruise between 10-13000, but I prefer to pull the props back a little for noise reduction and plan on 170 kts. At that, I can yank on the red levers and only burn 28 gal/hr. total, and cruise in comfort. /J -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of joel carter Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers --> Thanks Nico, I think Adam was referring to later model 500s such as the B, U or S models when he mentioned 190 kts cruise. That sounds like quite an adventure you had with your 500 from that island in the Indian Ocean. Sure, I'd love to see the video. Let me know. Thanks, Joel On May 6, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Nico Nicsysco wrote: > --> > > Hi Joel, > > I flew a straight 500 for about 1,000 hours but that was about 25 > years ago, so I don't remember much of the operational data any > longer. I do remember, however, that it would never do 190kts in level > flight as Adam has stated but it wasn't subject to spar inspections > (1959 model) and it burned about > 11 gal per side (imperial gallons). It is a great hauler if you > operate near sea level but not above, say, 5,000 ft runway alt. The > maintenance on the airframe and systems was not exorbitant and the > 250hp direct drive Lycomings were unbeatable for reliability. > > Here I am flying her in 1984: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA&list=PLAC685237DC2D98C7 > > Once I had to almost-evacuate 8 people off an island in the Indian > Ocean. At sea level the 500 took 9 people with scuba gear off of a > small strip without drama for the pilot. Some of the pax were fighter > jocks and they had concerns but came to love the Commander after we > had to make another landing before we could fly home. > > I can find the video of the trip and send it to you if you are interested. > > Many thanks > > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of joel > carter > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:43 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world > numbers > > --> > > Thanks Adam; I appreciate your response. After I learn what I want to > know about the "straight 500", I'll have some questions about your 520 > -------- > Joel > On May 6, 2013, at 5:50 AM, stratobee wrote: > >> --> >> >> Since nobody else has answered you, I'll give it a go even though I >> only > run a 520. Depending on what model of 500 you run, they have roughly a > useful load of about 1500-2000lbs and will cruise on paper at > 170-190kts at 10000ft. The old 520 I fly, with roughly the same specs, > is published to run at 171kts at 10K. In reality, it will do less. I > normally cruise at 140kts to save on gas, but she'll do 160-165 balls > to the wall TAS. My useful load is about 1700lbs on paper, but closer to 1400lbs after new weigh in. >> >> The spar AD comes in few different flavors. The biggest one is the >> spar > cap where they had some galvanic corrosion between the stainless steel > bit and the aluminium. I forget when it came in to place, but I think > the models after 1968 are the more susceptible. It's no big deal. The > Commander wing is strong and it's relatively easy to comply with. >> >> I wish I'd bought a 500B when I bought mine as they're well supported >> and > solid machines. But I couldn't afford one at the time, so got the 520 > instead. She's a great little aircraft with smashing short field > capabilities, but getting harder to support and service every year. >> >> -------- >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400032#400032 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers
Date: May 07, 2013
JOHN, I CAN EVEN GET 200 KNOTS OUT OF MY 500B (DOWNHILL). YOUR SPEEDS ARE RIGHT ON, DON'T BELIEVE THEIR ADS. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vormbaum<mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 7:15 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers > If I ever meet a 500B that flies at 190kts cruise, I'd buy it. I can go 190 up high, with full boost in my 500B if it's exceptionally cold out, the airplane is washed, and there are no loose rivets, but I have to be willing to use 34 gallons per hour to do it. You can block a 500B at 170kts. It will fly ~175kts in cruise between 10-13000, but I prefer to pull the props back a little for noise reduction and plan on 170 kts. At that, I can yank on the red levers and only burn 28 gal/hr. total, and cruise in comfort. /J -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of joel carter Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:23 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world numbers --> > Thanks Nico, I think Adam was referring to later model 500s such as the B, U or S models when he mentioned 190 kts cruise. That sounds like quite an adventure you had with your 500 from that island in the Indian Ocean. Sure, I'd love to see the video. Let me know. Thanks, Joel On May 6, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Nico Nicsysco > wrote: > --> > > > Hi Joel, > > I flew a straight 500 for about 1,000 hours but that was about 25 > years ago, so I don't remember much of the operational data any > longer. I do remember, however, that it would never do 190kts in level > flight as Adam has stated but it wasn't subject to spar inspections > (1959 model) and it burned about > 11 gal per side (imperial gallons). It is a great hauler if you > operate near sea level but not above, say, 5,000 ft runway alt. The > maintenance on the airframe and systems was not exorbitant and the > 250hp direct drive Lycomings were unbeatable for reliability. > > Here I am flying her in 1984: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA&list=PLAC685237DC2D98C7 > > Once I had to almost-evacuate 8 people off an island in the Indian > Ocean. At sea level the 500 took 9 people with scuba gear off of a > small strip without drama for the pilot. Some of the pax were fighter > jocks and they had concerns but came to love the Commander after we > had to make another landing before we could fly home. > > I can find the video of the trip and send it to you if you are interested. > > Many thanks > > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of joel > carter > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 6:43 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander "straight 500" real world > numbers > > --> > > > Thanks Adam; I appreciate your response. After I learn what I want to > know about the "straight 500", I'll have some questions about your 520 > -------- > Joel > On May 6, 2013, at 5:50 AM, stratobee > wrote: > >> --> > >> >> Since nobody else has answered you, I'll give it a go even though I >> only > run a 520. Depending on what model of 500 you run, they have roughly a > useful load of about 1500-2000lbs and will cruise on paper at > 170-190kts at 10000ft. The old 520 I fly, with roughly the same specs, > is published to run at 171kts at 10K. In reality, it will do less. I > normally cruise at 140kts to save on gas, but she'll do 160-165 balls > to the wall TAS. My useful load is about 1700lbs on paper, but closer to 1400lbs after new weigh in. >> >> The spar AD comes in few different flavors. The biggest one is the >> spar > cap where they had some galvanic corrosion between the stainless steel > bit and the aluminium. I forget when it came in to place, but I think > the models after 1968 are the more susceptible. It's no big deal. The > Commander wing is strong and it's relatively easy to comply with. >> >> I wish I'd bought a 500B when I bought mine as they're well supported >> and > solid machines. But I couldn't afford one at the time, so got the 520 > instead. She's a great little aircraft with smashing short field > capabilities, but getting harder to support and service every year. >> >> -------- >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400032#400032 .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400032#400032> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Info wanted for N138K SN 720-621-2
From: "kc135boom" <kc135boom(at)mchsi.com>
Date: May 27, 2013
Aircraft being offered for sale, but seller says he misplaced logs etc. after previous potential buyer returned them. Any info, photos, whatever you may be able to contribute will be most appreciated. Hoping to bring a ramp queen back to the wild blue. Thank you. Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401436#401436 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nico Nicsysco" <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Subject: Info wanted for N138K SN 720-621-2
Date: May 27, 2013
Take a look at these sites. Hopes this helps: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N138K.html http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N138K http://www.regosearch.com/aircraft/us/138K http://www.aviationdb.com/Aviation/Aircraft/1/N138K.shtm http://aviationdb.net/aviationdb/AircraftDetailPage#SUBMIT If this link does not provide the complete history of N138K, let me know, I have saved the contents for you. Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kc135boom Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Commander-List: Info wanted for N138K SN 720-621-2 Aircraft being offered for sale, but seller says he misplaced logs etc. after previous potential buyer returned them. Any info, photos, whatever you may be able to contribute will be most appreciated. Hoping to bring a ramp queen back to the wild blue. Thank you. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401436#401436 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Info wanted for N138K SN 720-621-2
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: May 29, 2013
That plane has been sitting at Torrance for almost a decade. She's the sole remaining Alticruiser 720, but the pressurisation was removed long before she ended up there and I don't think those associated systems can even be located. She'll never fly again, I'm afraid. It's just not worth the hassle when you can get a 560 or 680 that flies for a tenth of the cost it would cost to do this one up. The other day someone emailed me offering a 680E with 8000hrs TT that's been sitting for a few years for $8000. That's the reality we face today. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401520#401520 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Info wanted for N138K SN 720-621-2
Date: May 29, 2013
The one in Torrance has negative net value=2C I looked at several years ago =2C and as I remember it was free if I would haul it off. Moe MillsN680RR680F(p) > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Info wanted for N138K SN 720-621-2 > From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com > Date: Wed=2C 29 May 2013 09:29:19 -0700 > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > That plane has been sitting at Torrance for almost a decade. She's the so le remaining Alticruiser 720=2C but the pressurisation was removed long bef ore she ended up there and I don't think those associated systems can even be located. She'll never fly again=2C I'm afraid. It's just not worth the h assle when you can get a 560 or 680 that flies for a tenth of the cost it would cost to do this one up. > > The other day someone emailed me offering a 680E with 8000hrs TT that's b een sitting for a few years for $8000. That's the reality we face today. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401520#401520 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Needed parts
Date: May 31, 2013
Hello Commander fans. I am in need of a couple of parts for my 680F for the next annual - Prop Cable LH # 5500004-389 & Flap Hinge Assembly RH outboard # 5240001-501. If any of you have a source for these parts, please let me know. Thanks very much. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nico Nicsysco" <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Subject: Needed parts
Date: May 31, 2013
Hi Randy, Post your request on the Commander Facebook page, too. There are many Commander owners and pilots there that are not on the list. www.facebook.com/commanderflight I hope this helps. Thanks, Nico From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:46 AM Subject: Commander-List: Needed parts Hello Commander fans. I am in need of a couple of parts for my 680F for the next annual - Prop Cable LH # 5500004-389 & Flap Hinge Assembly RH outboard # 5240001-501. If any of you have a source for these parts, please let me know. Thanks very much. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Needed parts
Date: May 31, 2013
Will do. Thanks Nico. Randy logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico Nicsysco Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 7:01 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Needed parts Hi Randy, Post your request on the Commander Facebook page, too. There are many Commander owners and pilots there that are not on the list. www.facebook.com/commanderflight I hope this helps. Thanks, Nico From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:46 AM Subject: Commander-List: Needed parts Hello Commander fans. I am in need of a couple of parts for my 680F for the next annual - Prop Cable LH # 5500004-389 & Flap Hinge Assembly RH outboard # 5240001-501. If any of you have a source for these parts, please let me know. Thanks very much. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: May 31, 2013
Subject: Re: Needed parts
Might try Morris at commander services . Gil ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: How much power does the pressurisation use?
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: May 31, 2013
I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the cabin with electric pumps and how that could also work for the old pain-in-the-re** hydraulic pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never work properly. How much power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a 680FP/FPL/685/690/695? Does anyone have an idea? Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense, then upgrade the alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation pump. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401699#401699 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: How much power does the pressurisation use?
Date: May 31, 2013
Hi Adam=2C I have no idea as to just how much horsepower the pressurisation pumps use =2C however I can not tell the difference in either performance or fuel bur n (at the same altitude of course) regardless of whether my 680F(p) is bein g pressurized or not. Having said that the POH prohibits use of pressuriza tion on take off and landing. The motor for the pressurization is a Vicker s P/N MF033BOO7B . Currently I am having one overhauled at Western Airpar ts and will ask them next week when I talk to them. Given the small number of aircraft out there with this system that are not turbocharged (where bleed air can be used) it would not be finically feasab le for anyone to get an STC. As far as I know all of these aircraft have g enerators (100 amp or smaller) that are gear driven=2C and that conversion alone would be a major undertaking. Regards=2C MoeN680RR680F(p) PS rumor has it that you bought an star a few months back. > Subject: Commander-List: How much power does the pressurisation use? > From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com > Date: Fri=2C 31 May 2013 14:31:06 -0700 > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the ca bin with electric pumps and how that could also work for the old pain-in-th e-re** hydraulic pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never work prope rly. How much power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a 680FP/FPL/685/69 0/695? > > Does anyone have an idea? > > Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense=2C then up grade the alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation p ump. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401699#401699 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2013
Subject: Re: How much power does the pressurisation use?
From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander(at)GMAIL.COM>
Adam, anytime you have a "FAA-certified" wheel turning that fast, (as in a pressurization pump) its going to cost alot. I would venture that the B-787 electric cabin supercharger individually probably costs exponentially more than multiples (maybe even scores) of the old hydraulic pumps. I own the MRRPM Conversions with 4 turbo's per airplane, using bleed air pressurization thus getting rid of those problemsome Hyd pumps. That may be your best option. I am sure it is possible for a turbo to be added to a IGSO to run the pressurization, I agree with Moe, Just not sure there is a market for such an expense. I would recommend looking at the several MRRPM conversions available on the "For Sale" market hovering near $220k *+*$40k On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:31 PM, stratobee wrote: > > I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the > cabin with electric pumps and how that could also work for the old > pain-in-the-re** hydraulic pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never > work properly. How much power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a > 680FP/FPL/685/690/695? > > Does anyone have an idea? > > Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense, then > upgrade the alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation > pump. > > -------- > Adam > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401699#401699 > > -- Thank You Paul Gendron for www.RPMCommander.com LLC 954-547-3002 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com>
Subject: How much power does the pressurisation use?
Date: May 31, 2013
It is rare for a pressurization conversion to work. I have seen guys going broke over trying to upgrade King Air A90's in the past Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 4:31 PM Subject: Commander-List: How much power does the pressurisation use? I was thinking about the Boeing 787 the other day that pressurises the cabin with electric pumps and how that could also work for the old pain-in-the-re** hydraulic pumps that cost a fortune to overhaul and never work properly. How much power is needed to pressurise the cabin of a 680FP/FPL/685/690/695? Does anyone have an idea? Wouldn't it be ideal to get rid of all that hydraulic nonsense, then upgrade the alternators only and have them drive an electric pressurisation pump. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401699#401699 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2013
Subject: How much power does the pressurisation use?
From: "CloudCraft / K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
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From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: FUEL BOOST PUMP ADEL 55895-1
Date: Jun 15, 2013
BILL HAMILTON; DID YOU EVER LOCATE REPAIR PARTS FOR YOUR PUMP. ONE OF MINE IS CAUSING TROUBLE. LLOYD 500B 6290X ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FUEL BOOST PUMP ADEL 55895-1
From: wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au
Date: Jun 16, 2013
Lloyd, =0ASorry, we had no luck, and decided to rearrange the system, us ing our=0Aequivalent of a Field Approval, to use the same system as on a Baron=0Aand similar with IO-470s. As you will recall. we have a 500A. =0AAs I recall, one of the big commercial Commander operators in US has =0Adone a mod. like this, because of the spares problems with the OEM=0A pumps, this mod. would apply to your aircraft. =0ACheers,=0ABill Hamilto n=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: commander-list(at)matronics.com ubject:Commander-List: FUEL BOOST PUMP ADEL 55895-1=0A=0ABILL HAMILTON; DID YOU EVER LOCATE REPAIR PARTS FOR YOUR PUMP. ONE OF=0AMINE IS CAUSIN G TROUBLE. LLOYD 500B 6290X =0A=0A-------------------------=0AEmail sent using Optus Webmail ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com>
Subject: PIC Issues - Andy Downs
Date: Jun 15, 2013
Commander Group, I have written an article for AVSEC International that is being published this month concerning PIC Authority and crisis scenarios. I look forward to all your thoughts. Andy Downs http://58November.com 615-474-0590 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FUEL BOOST PUMP ADEL 55895-1 Lloyd, Sorry, we had no luck, and decided to rearrange the system, using our equivalent of a Field Approval, to use the same system as on a Baron and similar with IO-470s. As you will recall. we have a 500A. As I recall, one of the big commercial Commander operators in US has done a mod. like this, because of the spares problems with the OEM pumps, this mod. would apply to your aircraft. Cheers, Bill Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: commander-list@matronicscom To: "commander-list" Cc: Sent: Subject: Commander-List: FUEL BOOST PUMP ADEL 55895-1 BILL HAMILTON; DID YOU EVER LOCATE REPAIR PARTS FOR YOUR PUMP. ONE OF MINE IS CAUSING TROUBLE. LLOYD 500B 6290X _____ Email sent using Optus Webmail ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nico Nicsysco" <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Subject: PIC Issues - Andy Downs
Date: Jun 16, 2013
Hi Andy, Great piece. I made some editorial changes in this copy, FYI. If you'd be agreeable, I'd like to publish this on the Aero Commander facebook page, too, but you'll have to give guidance as to the date of release etc. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of andy downs Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:33 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: PIC Issues - Andy Downs Commander Group, I have written an article for AVSEC International that is being published this month concerning PIC Authority and crisis scenarios. I look forward to all your thoughts. Andy Downs http://58November.com 615-474-0590 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FUEL BOOST PUMP ADEL 55895-1 Lloyd, Sorry, we had no luck, and decided to rearrange the system, using our equivalent of a Field Approval, to use the same system as on a Baron and similar with IO-470s. As you will recall. we have a 500A. As I recall, one of the big commercial Commander operators in US has done a mod. like this, because of the spares problems with the OEM pumps, this mod. would apply to your aircraft. Cheers, Bill Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: commander-list@matronicscom To: "commander-list" Cc: Sent: Subject: Commander-List: FUEL BOOST PUMP ADEL 55895-1 BILL HAMILTON; DID YOU EVER LOCATE REPAIR PARTS FOR YOUR PUMP. ONE OF MINE IS CAUSING TROUBLE. LLOYD 500B 6290X _____ Email sent using Optus Webmail http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Commander down, all safe.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Jun 16, 2013
This Commander crashed on a golf course covered in snow, the film doesn't say where, but the paint scheme on the plane is pretty unique. Anyone know anything more? Glad everyone is safe. http://videos.dailycamera.com/services/player/bcpid1146552157001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAFSLizo~,ugsvBtRv1stvvcRBKSXBdVNZS1ysEupB&bctid=2198291204001 -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402829#402829 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander down, all safe.
From: Bert Berry <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 16, 2013
SN 1293 500B N93AA Bloomfield Colorado crashed 03/01/2013 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 9:13 PM, "stratobee" wrote: > > This Commander crashed on a golf course covered in snow, the film doesn't say where, but the paint scheme on the plane is pretty unique. Anyone know anything more? Glad everyone is safe. > > http://videos.dailycamera.com/services/player/bcpid1146552157001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAFSLizo~,ugsvBtRv1stvvcRBKSXBdVNZS1ysEupB&bctid=2198291204001 > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402829#402829 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bert Berry <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander down, all safe.
Date: Jun 16, 2013
It was a fire spotter aircraft, crashed shortly after taking off out of Denver. Not sure what caused it. Bert Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 9:13 PM, "stratobee" wrote: > > This Commander crashed on a golf course covered in snow, the film doesn't say where, but the paint scheme on the plane is pretty unique. Anyone know anything more? Glad everyone is safe. > > http://videos.dailycamera.com/services/player/bcpid1146552157001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAFSLizo~,ugsvBtRv1stvvcRBKSXBdVNZS1ysEupB&bctid=2198291204001 > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402829#402829 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nico Nicsysco" <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Subject: Commander down, all safe.
Date: Jun 17, 2013
It's a 500B N93AA http://www.flickr.com/photos/skyhawkpc/7998002556/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/skyhawkpc/7997997611/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/skyhawkpc/7998004230/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/skyhawkpc/7997999237/in/photostream/ Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: Commander down, all safe. This Commander crashed on a golf course covered in snow, the film doesn't say where, but the paint scheme on the plane is pretty unique. Anyone know anything more? Glad everyone is safe. http://videos.dailycamera.com/services/player/bcpid1146552157001?bckey=AQ~~, AAAAAFSLizo~,ugsvBtRv1stvvcRBKSXBdVNZS1ysEupB&bctid=2198291204001 -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402829#402829 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nico Nicsysco" <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Subject: Commander down, all safe.
Date: Jun 16, 2013
Adam, It's a fire spotter plane and it landed at Omni Interlocken Golf Course. http://www.planesandchoppers.com/picture/number9854.asp http://kwgn.com/2013/03/01/2-escape-plane-crash-near-rocky-mountain-metropol itan-airport/ After posting the story to our facebook page at www.facebook.com/commanderflight I stumbled across the registration and description but cannot find it now. Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: Commander down, all safe. This Commander crashed on a golf course covered in snow, the film doesn't say where, but the paint scheme on the plane is pretty unique. Anyone know anything more? Glad everyone is safe. http://videos.dailycamera.com/services/player/bcpid1146552157001?bckey=AQ~~, AAAAAFSLizo~,ugsvBtRv1stvvcRBKSXBdVNZS1ysEupB&bctid=2198291204001 -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402829#402829 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Another Commander down, all 3 safe.
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Hello All, Regrettably, another Commander was damaged on Saturday, June 15th at Victoria-Regional airport, Texas. Thankfully the 3 occupants are safe, although 2 were "seriously hurt". A news report can be found at: http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=9132440 Best Regards, Barry Collman ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Subject: Re: Another Commander down, all 3 safe.
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
Hi Barry, Thanks for sharing and good to know that only injuries were sustained and maybe the airframe will survive. This 685 has been a feature of several TCFG Fly-ins over the years. Cheers! Russell On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Barry Collman < barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote: > barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > > Hello All, > > Regrettably, another Commander was damaged on Saturday, June 15th at > Victoria-Regional airport, Texas. > Thankfully the 3 occupants are safe, although 2 were "seriously hurt". > > A news report can be found at: > http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=9132440 > > Best Regards, > Barry Collman > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Commander down, all safe.
Date: Jun 17, 2013
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Commander Land I tracked down the company (American East Airways Inc.) and talked to either the owner or a representative. (I wanted to know if he would be interested in N47RF (500-S) which I recently bought from NOAA. He was not.) I asked him if the Commander had been misfuelled. He said no, the plane had just come out of an extensive overhaul and they discovered the hard way that the fuel gauge was faulty. He has three 500-B's and one 500-S. He is going to use the parts from N93AA as a spare parts kit. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico Nicsysco Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:00 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander down, all safe. Adam, It's a fire spotter plane and it landed at Omni Interlocken Golf Course. http://www.planesandchoppers.com/picture/number9854.asp http://kwgn.com/2013/03/01/2-escape-plane-crash-near-rocky-mountain-metr opol itan-airport/ After posting the story to our facebook page at www.facebook.com/commanderflight I stumbled across the registration and description but cannot find it now. Thanks Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: Commander down, all safe. This Commander crashed on a golf course covered in snow, the film doesn't say where, but the paint scheme on the plane is pretty unique. Anyone know anything more? Glad everyone is safe. http://videos.dailycamera.com/services/player/bcpid1146552157001?bckey=A Q~~, AAAAAFSLizo~,ugsvBtRv1stvvcRBKSXBdVNZS1ysEupB&bctid=2198291204001 -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402829#402829 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2013
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 500B
Hey Guys!=0A----Does anyone know the best place for me to get my wi ng spar cap A.D. done (cheapest way and closest to me which is Tuscaloosa, AL.)??=0A=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 500B
Date: Jun 18, 2013
From: "Levan Tabidze" <ltabidze(at)twincommander.com>
Donnie, I would suggest only Twin Commander Authorized Service Centers: http://twincommander.com/serviceCenters.html Best regards, Levan Tabidze Engineering Manager Twin Commander Aircraft, LLC. 1176 Telecom Drive, Creedmoor, NC 27522-8294 Mobile: (919) 702-4445 Office: (919) 956-4246 Fax:$B!!(J(919) 682-3786 ltabidze(at)twincommander.com www.TwinCommander.com <http://www.twincommander.com/> From: Donnie Rose [mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:21 PM Subject: Commander-List: 500B Hey Guys! Does anyone know the best place for me to get my wing spar cap A.D. done (cheapest way and closest to me which is Tuscaloosa, AL.)?? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2013
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 500B
Thanks, which one and how long will it take and how much?=0ARegards,=0A=0AD onnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Levan Tabidze <ltabidze(at)twincommander.com>=0A>To: commander-list@mat ronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:28 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Comman der-List: 500B=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Donnie,=0A>I would suggest only Twin Comman der Authorized Service Centers:=0A>=C2-=0A>http://twincommander.com/servi ceCenters.html=0A>=C2-=0A>Best regards,=0A>=C2-=0A>Levan Tabidze =0A>En gineering Manager=0A>Twin Commander Aircraft, LLC.=0A>1176 Telecom Drive, C reedmoor, NC 27522-8294=0A>Mobile: (919) 702-4445=C2- =0A>Office: (919) 9 56-4246=C2- =0A>Fax:=E3(919) 682-3786=0A>ltabidze@twincomman! de r. com =0A>www.TwinCommander.com =0A>=C2-=0A>From:Donnie Rose [mailto:aquadi ver99(at)yahoo.com] =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:21 PM=0A>To: commander- list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: Commander-List: 500B=0A>=C2-=0A>Hey Guys! =0A>=0A> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 500B
Date: Jun 18, 2013
From: "Levan Tabidze" <ltabidze(at)twincommander.com>
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From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Subject: Another Commander down, 3 on board. 2 injured.
Date: Jun 19, 2013
VICTORIA, Texas -Three men were injured Saturday morning in a plane crash, a 685 1974 Commander, Reg. # N74CP at the Victoria Regional Airport. According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the plane left from Victoria Regional, at 10 a.m., and then crashed into a nearby field. Texas DPS have identified the men as pilot Burl Wilkerson, 58, of Houston, along with passengers Sajib Rupollia, 30, of California, and Daniel Nghien, 50, also from Houston. Preliminary reports from the FAA suggest the plane began having engine problems, shortly after taking off. According to a check of the FAA's website shows the plane is registered to a company in Wyoming. The FAA said the three passengers on board, were initially taken to Citizens Medical Center in Victoria. Wilkerson was later transported to Memorial Hermann Hospital in Houston and is listed critical condition. Rupollia was transported to a hospital in San Antonio. Officials with the FAA, the National Transportation Safety Board, and Texas Department of Public Safety are now investigating. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 1964 500b for sale
From: Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 20, 2013
In case you guys don't know this site. Govdeals.com. They have a good looking 1964 500b well equipped that the high bid is at $50,250.00 at this time. Evidently the reserve has been met, as the red reserve not met flag is gone. Roland Gilliam. AC 500 6291b Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: 1964 500b for sale
Date: Jun 20, 2013
There are a lot of nice parts that go with the aircraft. There is a PDF list that can be printed out. Tylor Hall tylorhall(at)mac.com ACN IBO Member 401 Monte Alto PL NE Albuquerque, NM 87123 505-247-3001 505-400-8373 Cell tylorhall.acndirect.com On Jun 20, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Roland Gilliam wrote: > > In case you guys don't know this site. Govdeals.com. They have a good looking 1964 500b well equipped that the high bid is at $50,250.00 at this time. Evidently the reserve has been met, as the red reserve not met flag is gone. > > Roland Gilliam. AC 500 6291b > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 1964 500b for sale
Date: Jun 20, 2013
Tylor=2C What is the ACNIBO? Regards=2C MoeN680RR680F(p) From: tylorhall(at)mac.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 1964 500b for sale Date: Thu=2C 20 Jun 2013 10:32:30 -0600 There are a lot of nice parts that go with the aircraft. There is a PDF li st that can be printed out. =0A Tylor Halltylorhall(at)mac.comACN IBO Member401 Monte Alto PL NEAlbuquerque=2C NM 87123505-247-3001505-400-8373 Celltylorhall.acndirect.com=0A =0A On Jun 20=2C 2013=2C at 8:59 AM=2C Roland Gilliam wro m> In case you guys don't know this site. Govdeals.com. They have a good looki ng 1964 500b well equipped that the high bid is at $50=2C250.00 at this tim e. Evidently the reserve has been met=2C as the red reserve not met flag is gone. Roland Gilliam. AC 500 6291b Sent from my - The --> http://www.matr &n - &nbs --> http://www.matronics.com/co==== ============ =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 500 b
From: Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 27, 2013
Did anyone on the Commander list get the 1964 AC sold today for $61,250.00 ? Roland Gilliam. AC 500 6291B Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: TENN. FLY IN
Date: Jul 06, 2013
Hi Sue (or anyone else who knows)=2C What is the date for our get together in Tennessee this year? Moe MillsN680RR680F(p) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Going....
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2013
Unfortunately, the time has come to part with my beloved 520 as I've bought a new aircraft and can't afford to keep two going. As much as I would like to. N20VE has been a great aircraft all things considering and I've put almost 350hrs on her. I will never get the money back I've spent on her, but that's OK - that wasn't why I did this. I'm grateful to have got to know her and to learn how to fly twins on such a gentle plane as the 520: We've been to dirt strips, grass strips and everything else one could imagine in between. I've slept in her, taken shelter under her wing when it rained, hauled spare parts, beer, camping gear, people and whatnot. Gone to Canada and all over the US in her, too. If anyone's interested, here's the ad on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121139920350&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:MOTORS:1123#ht_1082wt_1167 -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404144#404144 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nico CSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Going....
Date: Jul 07, 2013
Just as a matter of interest, Adam, what did you buy? -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 5:37 PM Subject: Commander-List: Going.... Unfortunately, the time has come to part with my beloved 520 as I've bought a new aircraft and can't afford to keep two going. As much as I would like to. N20VE has been a great aircraft all things considering and I've put almost 350hrs on her. I will never get the money back I've spent on her, but that's OK - that wasn't why I did this. I'm grateful to have got to know her and to learn how to fly twins on such a gentle plane as the 520: We've been to dirt strips, grass strips and everything else one could imagine in between. I've slept in her, taken shelter under her wing when it rained, hauled spare parts, beer, camping gear, people and whatnot. Gone to Canada and all over the US in her, too. If anyone's interested, here's the ad on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121139920350&s sPageName=ADME:L:LCA:MOTORS:1123#ht_1082wt_1167 -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404144#404144 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nico CSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Going....
Date: Jul 07, 2013
Adam, I hope you don't mind but I posted your add on the Commander Facebook page, too. There are many overseas Commander aficionados that lurk over there. www.facebook.com/commanderflight I hope it helps. Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 5:37 PM Subject: Commander-List: Going.... Unfortunately, the time has come to part with my beloved 520 as I've bought a new aircraft and can't afford to keep two going. As much as I would like to. N20VE has been a great aircraft all things considering and I've put almost 350hrs on her. I will never get the money back I've spent on her, but that's OK - that wasn't why I did this. I'm grateful to have got to know her and to learn how to fly twins on such a gentle plane as the 520: We've been to dirt strips, grass strips and everything else one could imagine in between. I've slept in her, taken shelter under her wing when it rained, hauled spare parts, beer, camping gear, people and whatnot. Gone to Canada and all over the US in her, too. If anyone's interested, here's the ad on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121139920350&s sPageName=ADME:L:LCA:MOTORS:1123#ht_1082wt_1167 -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404144#404144 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Going....
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2013
Thanks Nico. I bought a pressurised Aerostar. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404147#404147 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2013
Subject: Re: Going....
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (MacbookPro)" <deneals(at)deneals.com>
Njut av din Aerostar. Du kommer att lska det! -- Deneal Schilmeister Orland Park, IL -- On 7/7/13 8:13 PM, "stratobee" wrote: > >I bought a pressurised Aerostar. > >-------- >Adam > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nico CSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Going....
Date: Jul 07, 2013
90 People already saw your post on our Facebook page. Our best hit-count was over 12,000 on a video of a Super Cub that landed on a sandbank in a river not bigger than the plane, and took off again. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 6:13 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Going.... Thanks Nico. I bought a pressurised Aerostar. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404147#404147 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Going....
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Tack, Deneal! -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404168#404168 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TENN. FLY IN
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Moe, The Fly-in will be Sept 12-15th. We'll send out packets once we finalize h otel negotiations. Hope to see you there! -----Original Message----- From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 2:01 pm Subject: Commander-List: TENN. FLY IN Hi Sue (or anyone else who knows), What is the date for our get together in Tennessee this year? Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John denDekker" <john(at)carpenteravionics.com>
Subject: TENN. FLY IN
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Where will the Fly-in be held? John DenDekker www.carpenteravionics.com 800.300.0352 Toll Free 615.355.9970 office NOTICE: This electronic transmission (including any referenced or attached materials) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, and is PRIVILEGED, WORK PRODUCT, PROPRIETARY and/or CONFIDENTIAL. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized person. If you have received this transmission in error you are PROHIBITED from disclosing, disseminating, reproducing, using or relying upon it. Please immediately delete it from your system without copying and notify the sender by return e-mail of the erroneous receipt. Thank you. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: TENN. FLY IN Moe, The Fly-in will be Sept 12-15th. We'll send out packets once we finalize hotel negotiations. Hope to see you there! -----Original Message----- From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 2:01 pm Subject: Commander-List: TENN. FLY IN Hi Sue (or anyone else who knows), What is the date for our get together in Tennessee this year? Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2013
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 500B blade
Hey guys, anybody out there have a V8433-4, "Cat H" propblade? (Hartzel) Need one Thanks Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Subject: Re: TENN. FLY IN
From: Morris Kernick <comserv500s(at)GMAIL.COM>
We will be at Chattanooga this year. Gary Gadberry , The Aircenter is hosting the event. Morris Kernick, Commander Services, Stockton, Ca. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:42 AM, John denDekker wrote: > ** ** > > Where will the Fly-in be held?**** > > ** ** > > John DenDekker**** > > www.carpenteravionics.com**** > > 800.300.0352 Toll Free**** > > 615.355.9970 office**** > > **** > > NOTICE: This electronic transmission (including any referenced or attached > materials) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 > U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, and is PRIVILEGED, WORK PRODUCT, PROPRIETARY and/or > CONFIDENTIAL. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any > unauthorized person. If you have received this transmission in error you > are PROHIBITED from disclosing, disseminating, reproducing, using or > relying upon it. Please immediately delete it from your system without > copying and notify the sender by return e-mail of the erroneous receipt. > Thank you.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *yourtcfg(at)aol.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 08, 2013 10:29 AM > *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: TENN. FLY IN**** > > ** ** > > Moe, **** > > **** > > The Fly-in will be Sept 12-15th. We'll send out packets once we finalize > hotel negotiations. **** > > **** > > Hope to see you there!**** > > **** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> > To: commander list > Sent: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 2:01 pm > Subject: Commander-List: TENN. FLY IN**** > > Hi Sue (or anyone else who knows), **** > > ** ** > > What is the date for our get together in ****Tennessee**** this year?**** > > ** ** > > Moe Mills**** > > N680RR**** > > 680F(p)**** > > * * > > * * > > *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Subject: Re: 500B blade
From: Morris Kernick <comserv500s(at)GMAIL.COM>
Donnie: I have one blade that just passed the AD. Morris On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Donnie Rose wrote: > Hey guys, anybody out there have a V8433-4, "Cat H" propblade? (Hartzel) > Need one > Thanks > > *Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444* > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: TENN. FLY IN
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Morris, An update on what's happening with the landing gear for the L-3805 restoration will be nice, please. Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Morris Kernick Sent: 09 July 2013 08:15 Subject: Re: Commander-List: TENN. FLY IN We will be at Chattanooga this year. Gary Gadberry , The Aircenter is hosting the event. Morris Kernick, Commander Services, Stockton, Ca. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:42 AM, John denDekker wrote: Where will the Fly-in be held? John DenDekker www.carpenteravionics.com 800.300.0352 Toll Free 615.355.9970 office NOTICE: This electronic transmission (including any referenced or attached materials) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, and is PRIVILEGED, WORK PRODUCT, PROPRIETARY and/or CONFIDENTIAL. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized person. If you have received this transmission in error you are PROHIBITED from disclosing, disseminating, reproducing, using or relying upon it. Please immediately delete it from your system without copying and notify the sender by return e-mail of the erroneous receipt. Thank you. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: TENN. FLY IN Moe, The Fly-in will be Sept 12-15th. We'll send out packets once we finalize hotel negotiations. Hope to see you there! -----Original Message----- From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 2:01 pm Subject: Commander-List: TENN. FLY IN Hi Sue (or anyone else who knows), What is the date for our get together in Tennessee this year? Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "kitepilot(at)kitepilot.com" <kitepilot(at)kitepilot.com>
Subject: Re: TENN. FLY IN
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Chattanooga is a beautiful area! Sailplane and hanglider flights are spectacular. Anyone wishing to go for a sailplane (Benton TN) or hanglider (lookout Mtn) ride feel free to send me an email. Do something useful for next BFR and get a glider rating instead! ET PS: Taildragger endorsements are good too... :) http://kitepilot.com/N74375/videos.html Morris Kernick writes: > We will be at Chattanooga this year. Gary Gadberry , The Aircenter is > hosting the event. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2013
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 500B blade
How much?=0A=0A=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A=0A>_________________ _______________=0A> From: Morris Kernick <comserv500s(at)GMAIL.COM>=0A>To: com mander-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 1:57 AM=0A>Subjec t: Re: Commander-List: 500B blade=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Donnie:- I have one bl ade that just passed the AD.- Morris=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 a t 8:29 PM, Donnie Rose wrote:=0A>=0A>Hey guys, anyb ody out there have a V8433-4, "Cat H" propblade? (Hartzel) =0A>>Need one =0A>>Thanks=0A>>=0A>>Donnie Rose =0A>>205/492-8444 =0A>> =0A>>" target="_ blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List=0Atp://forums.matr ============= =0A>=0A> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 500A'S
From: "commanderpic" <commanderpic(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
SEEMS IT IS GETTING MORE DIFFICULT FOR SOME TO KEEP FLYING http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aero-Commander-2-NO-RESERVE-/111116562790?pt=Motors_Aircraft&hash=item19df103166 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404457#404457 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TENN. FLY IN
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2013
John, This year's event will be held in Chattanooga, TN Sept 12-15 -----Original Message----- From: John denDekker <john(at)carpenteravionics.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 10:17 am Subject: RE: Commander-List: TENN. FLY IN Where will the Fly-in be held? John DenDekker www.carpenteravionics.com 800.300.0352 Toll Free 615.355.9970 office NOTICE: This electronic transmission(including any referenced or attached m aterials) is covered by the ElectronicCommunications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, and is PRIVILEGED, WORKPRODUCT, PROPRIETARY and/or CONFIDE NTIAL. It is not intended for transmissionto, or receipt by, any unauthoriz ed person. If you have received thistransmission in error you are PROHIBITE D from disclosing, disseminating,reproducing, using or relying upon it. Ple ase immediately delete it from yoursystem without copying and notify the se nder by return e-mail of the erroneousreceipt. Thank you. From:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list -server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 10:29AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: TENN.FLY IN Moe, The Fly-in will be Sept 12-15th. We'll send out packets once we finalize ho tel negotiations. Hope to see you there! -----OriginalMessage----- From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 2:01 pm Subject: Commander-List: TENN. FLY IN Hi Sue (or anyone else who knows), What is the date for our get together in Tennessee this year? Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2013
Hey Folks, With the economy being such as it is we are trying to be sensitive to costs for the fly-in. Would like your input on whether you would like to stay i n a nice hotel in downtown Chattanooga. The downtown area is very vibrant with many things to do within walking distance and Kevin Coons has been abl e to secure us an excellent rate of $115 (plus tax) at a very nice downtown hotel. If cost is a concern we can stay near the airport for a rate of le ss than $80 -- of course it would not have the same ambiance as downtown. Anyhoo, would love to hear your thoughts within the next few days so we can get it settled. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2013
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
G'day Jim & Sue, My tickets are booked for the long haul from downunder! Either accommodation is ok for me - I guess I am a 'fence-sitter' on this one. Here's a tip though: I know Buddy Windham would want to stay at the *cheaper * establishment...he'll be feeling 'out of sorts' because of his looooong commute down from Michigan... Cheers from Oz Russell On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:10 AM, wrote: > Hey Folks, > > With the economy being such as it is we are trying to be sensitive to > costs for the fly-in. Would like your input on whether you would like to > stay in a nice hotel in downtown Chattanooga. The downtown area is very > vibrant with many things to do within walking distance and Kevin Coons has > been able to secure us an excellent rate of $115 (plus tax) at a very nice > downtown hotel. If cost is a concern we can stay near the airport for a > rate of less than $80 -- of course it would not have the same ambiance as > downtown. > > Anyhoo, would love to hear your thoughts within the next few days so we > can get it settled. > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fly-In
Date: Jul 16, 2013
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Downtown sounds like the place to be. ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:41 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Hey Folks, With the economy being such as it is we are trying to be sensitive to costs for the fly-in. Would like your input on whether you would like to stay in a nice hotel in downtown Chattanooga. The downtown area is very vibrant with many things to do within walking distance and Kevin Coons has been able to secure us an excellent rate of $115 (plus tax) at a very nice downtown hotel. If cost is a concern we can stay near the airport for a rate of less than $80 -- of course it would not have the same ambiance as downtown. Anyhoo, would love to hear your thoughts within the next few days so we can get it settled. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Fly-In
Date: Jul 16, 2013
Hi all, I'd prefer to stay at the downtown hotel. Stan Perkins From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:41 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Hey Folks, With the economy being such as it is we are trying to be sensitive to costs for the fly-in. Would like your input on whether you would like to stay in a nice hotel in downtown Chattanooga. The downtown area is very vibrant with many things to do within walking distance and Kevin Coons has been able to secure us an excellent rate of $115 (plus tax) at a very nice downtown hotel. If cost is a concern we can stay near the airport for a rate of less than $80 -- of course it would not have the same ambiance as downtown. Anyhoo, would love to hear your thoughts within the next few days so we can get it settled. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Fly-In
Date: Jul 16, 2013
Hi Everyone=2C Let's go downtown where the bright lights are. Now see here JB=2C if you really want to help keep the cost down=2C find so meone there to sell some cheap 100LL (sorry Stan I guess that won't help y ou much). Regards=2CMoe MillsN680RR680F(p) From: swperk(at)earthlink.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fly-In Date: Tue=2C 16 Jul 2013 19:48:11 -0700 Hi all=2C I=92d prefer to stay at the downtown hotel. Stan Perkins From: ow ner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server (at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday=2C July 16=2C 2013 5:41 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Hey Folks=2C With the economy being such a s it is we are trying to be sensitive to costs for the fly-in. Would like your input on whether you would like to stay in a nice hotel in downtown Ch attanooga. The downtown area is very vibrant with many things to do within walking distance and Kevin Coons has been able to secure us an excellent r ate of $115 (plus tax) at a very nice downtown hotel. If cost is a concern we can stay near the airport for a rate of less than $80 -- of course it w ould not have the same ambiance as downtown. Anyhoo=2C would love to hear your thoughts within the next few days so we can get it settled. http:/ /www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp: //www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2013
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Date: Jul 17, 2013
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
G'day John, At least you are not looking for Heron parts!! Which 685 did you purchase? Cheers and regards Russell On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:14 PM, John Ives wrote: > Hi, > > My name is John Ives, I will probably come to he convention if I can ever > get out of Bangledesh. > > Currently sitting here with a blown engine on my new commander 685 ENROUT E > to Australia. > > I read with interest the comments about fuel price Egypt, Saudi, Oman, > Karachi all were $27 per US gallon. We uplifted 250 to 270 gallons a time . > Never again will I complain about fuel prices. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 17/07/2013, at 9:13 AM, "Moe Mills" > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > Let's go downtown where the bright lights are. > > Now see here JB, if you really want to help keep the cost down, find > someone there to sell some cheap 100LL (sorry Stan I guess that won't he lp > you much). > > Regards, > Moe Mills > N680RR > 680F(p) > > > ------------------------------ > From: swperk(at)earthlink.net > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fly-In > Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:48:11 -0700 > > Hi all, > > > I=92d prefer to stay at the downtown hotel. > > > Stan Perkins > > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] > *On Behalf Of *yourtcfg(at)aol.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:41 PM > *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Commander-List: Fly-In > > > Hey Folks, > > > With the economy being such as it is we are trying to be sensitive to > costs for the fly-in. Would like your input on whether you would like to > stay in a nice hotel in downtown Chattanooga. The downtown area is very > vibrant with many things to do within walking distance and Kevin Coons ha s > been able to secure us an excellent rate of $115 (plus tax) at a very nic e > downtown hotel. If cost is a concern we can stay near the airport for a > rate of less than $80 -- of course it would not have the same ambiance as > downtown. > > > Anyhoo, would love to hear your thoughts within the next few days so we > can get it settled. > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > ===========http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2013
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Date: Jul 17, 2013
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
Great John - congratulations - there is a wealth of Model 685 experience here among members. Trust you get the issue sorted soon - do you have a VH- reserved? Cheers Russell On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM, John Ives wrote: > N9199N > > Good aircraft, just bad luck. > > John > > Sent from my iPad > > On 17/07/2013, at 10:32 AM, "Russell Legg" wrote: > > G'day John, > > At least you are not looking for Heron parts!! > > Which 685 did you purchase? > > Cheers and regards > > Russell > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:14 PM, John Ives wrote : > >> Hi, >> >> My name is John Ives, I will probably come to he convention if I can eve r >> get out of Bangledesh. >> >> Currently sitting here with a blown engine on my new commander 685 >> ENROUTE to Australia. >> >> I read with interest the comments about fuel price Egypt, Saudi, Oman, >> Karachi all were $27 per US gallon. We uplifted 250 to 270 gallons a tim e. >> Never again will I complain about fuel prices. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 17/07/2013, at 9:13 AM, "Moe Mills" >> wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Let's go downtown where the bright lights are. >> >> Now see here JB, if you really want to help keep the cost down, find >> someone there to sell some cheap 100LL (sorry Stan I guess that won't h elp >> you much). >> >> Regards, >> Moe Mills >> N680RR >> 680F(p) >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> From: swperk(at)earthlink.net >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fly-In >> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:48:11 -0700 >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I=92d prefer to stay at the downtown hotel. >> >> >> >> Stan Perkins >> >> >> >> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ >> mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] >> *On Behalf Of *yourtcfg(at)aol.com >> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:41 PM >> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* Commander-List: Fly-In >> >> >> >> Hey Folks, >> >> >> >> With the economy being such as it is we are trying to be sensitive to >> costs for the fly-in. Would like your input on whether you would like t o >> stay in a nice hotel in downtown Chattanooga. The downtown area is very >> vibrant with many things to do within walking distance and Kevin Coons h as >> been able to secure us an excellent rate of $115 (plus tax) at a very ni ce >> downtown hotel. If cost is a concern we can stay near the airport for a >> rate of less than $80 -- of course it would not have the same ambiance a s >> downtown. >> >> >> >> Anyhoo, would love to hear your thoughts within the next few days so we >> can get it settled. >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> ** >> >> * * >> >> * >> >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listh ttp://forums.matronics.com >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2013
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Date: Jul 17, 2013
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
That's fantastic - I photographed the Alice Springs airframe back in December - glad they were able to secure it. The 685 (as have the older 680FL's) have more recently languished on the US market and in the main have dropped price significantly. Hopefully you benefited from that. An old pal has N685TT based in Apple Valley California and loves it to death. Gary Gadberry (Chattanooga) has been involved with 685's for a long time - it would be good for you to get along to the Flyin this year. Unfortunately the last one in Oz was recently parted out up at Maroochydore - VH-FVR I think it was (without checking) - it originally was flying with Autobake P/L out of Bankstown as VH-KCH - Kevin Hicks was the owner - GAM at Essendon purchased the airframe and parted it out - they may have some of the parts that were recovered. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:36 PM, John Ives wrote: > Yes VH NJT > > After all both Herons were NJI and NJP > > Sent from my iPad > > On 17/07/2013, at 11:05 AM, "Russell Legg" wrote: > > Great John - congratulations - there is a wealth of Model 685 experience > here among members. > > Trust you get the issue sorted soon - do you have a VH- reserved? > > Cheers > > Russell > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM, John Ives wrote : > >> N9199N >> >> Good aircraft, just bad luck. >> >> John >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 17/07/2013, at 10:32 AM, "Russell Legg" wrote: >> >> G'day John, >> >> At least you are not looking for Heron parts!! >> >> Which 685 did you purchase? >> >> Cheers and regards >> >> Russell >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:14 PM, John Ives wrot e: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> My name is John Ives, I will probably come to he convention if I can >>> ever get out of Bangledesh. >>> >>> Currently sitting here with a blown engine on my new commander 685 >>> ENROUTE to Australia. >>> >>> I read with interest the comments about fuel price Egypt, Saudi, Oman, >>> Karachi all were $27 per US gallon. We uplifted 250 to 270 gallons a ti me. >>> Never again will I complain about fuel prices. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 17/07/2013, at 9:13 AM, "Moe Mills" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Let's go downtown where the bright lights are. >>> >>> Now see here JB, if you really want to help keep the cost down, find >>> someone there to sell some cheap 100LL (sorry Stan I guess that won't help >>> you much). >>> >>> Regards, >>> Moe Mills >>> N680RR >>> 680F(p) >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> From: swperk(at)earthlink.net >>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fly-In >>> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:48:11 -0700 >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> >>> I=92d prefer to stay at the downtown hotel. >>> >>> >>> >>> Stan Perkins >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ >>> mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] >>> *On Behalf Of *yourtcfg(at)aol.com >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:41 PM >>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com >>> *Subject:* Commander-List: Fly-In >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey Folks, >>> >>> >>> >>> With the economy being such as it is we are trying to be sensitive to >>> costs for the fly-in. Would like your input on whether you would like to >>> stay in a nice hotel in downtown Chattanooga. The downtown area is ver y >>> vibrant with many things to do within walking distance and Kevin Coons has >>> been able to secure us an excellent rate of $115 (plus tax) at a very n ice >>> downtown hotel. If cost is a concern we can stay near the airport for a >>> rate of less than $80 -- of course it would not have the same ambiance as >>> downtown. >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyhoo, would love to hear your thoughts within the next few days so we >>> can get it settled. >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * * >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *http://forums.matronics.com* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * >>> >>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com >>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >>> ttp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Fly-In
Date: Jul 17, 2013
Yes I know about FVJ=2C I am trying to borrow one of the engines from GAM t o get back to Australia ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2013
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
G'day John, There are at least two airworthy 685's still operating in Manilla, Phillipines - one is maintained in Cebu City. Let me know if you need more details. Cheers On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Ives wrote: > > Yes I know about FVJ, I am trying to borrow one of the engines from GAM to > get back to Australia > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2013
What I have is an engine that needs to be split and probably the main bearin gs replaced. I don't suppose you know anyone in Asia that can do this ie the Phillipines Sent from my iPad On 17/07/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Russell Legg" wrote: > G'day John, > > There are at least two airworthy 685's still operating in Manilla, Phillip ines - one is maintained in Cebu City. > > Let me know if you need more details. > > Cheers > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Ives wrote: >> >> Yes I know about FVJ, I am trying to borrow one of the engines from GAM t o get back to Australia >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2013
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
John, My best contact in PI is Nerio Giangan (see below) - pls give him a call - very helpful and will know where to point you. Ask for Dindo if Nerio unavailable. Cheers Russell nerio m giangan pams accountable manager Professional Air Maintenance Services Lot 12, General Aviation Area, MCIAA, Pajac, Lapu-Lapu City, Cebu, Philippines Email: pa.maint_services(at)yahoo.com.ph Tel # / Fax: (032) 495-7654 Approved Maintenance Organization with Certificate # 55-04 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com>
Subject: RE: Commander Event in Sept
Date: Jul 18, 2013
Is anyone flying their Commander from Michigan to Chattanooga this year? Andy Downs 615-474-0590 -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Commander-List Digest Server Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:58 AM Subject: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 07/17/13 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 13-07-17&Archive=Commander Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2013-07-17&Archive=Commander =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/17/13: 0 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com>
Subject: RE: Commander Event in Sept
Date: Jul 18, 2013
Is anyone flying their Commander from Michigan to Chattanooga this year? Andy Downs 615-474-0590 -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Commander-List Digest Server Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:58 AM Subject: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 07/17/13 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 13-07-17&Archive=Commander Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2013-07-17&Archive=Commander =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/17/13: 0 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: TCFG Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 25, 2013
If you are planning to attend the TCFG Fly-In September 12-15th in Chattano oga please make your hotel reservations as soon as possible to guarantee th e discounted rate. TCFG member Kevin Coons through his employer has been a ble to secure us a rate of $114 at the Downtown Doubletree. Please e-mail your reservations directly to Sandy Witzel, switzel(at)vhghotels.com, and let her know the dates you will be arriving and checking out using "TCFG/Kevin Coons" as the discount reference. If you're on our mailing list you will receive your registration packets ne xt week. If you're not on our list and would like one, let us know and we' ll email you the information. We're getting excited about seeing everyone again and hearing about your Co mmander and life exploits. ~Jim & Sue ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fly-In Info
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 26, 2013
Here's the registration form and information regarding this year's Fly-In. Hope to see you all! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Gerrish" <virginia.gerrish(at)verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/26/13
Date: Jul 28, 2013
Hi Jim, Did the registration form actually come through or am I just electronically challenged? Not sure I saw it. Regards, Dave Gerrish -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Commander-List Digest Server Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/26/13 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 13-07-26&Archive=Commander Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2013-07-26&Archive=Commander =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/26/13: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:07 PM - Fly-In Info (yourtcfg(at)aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Info From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Here's the registration form and information regarding this year's Fly-In. Hope to see you all! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RE: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/26/13
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 28, 2013
Here's the registration form. If you can't open it I will send you one in the mail. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Gerrish <virginia.gerrish(at)verizon.net> Sent: Sun, Jul 28, 2013 1:40 pm Subject: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/26/13 zon.net> Hi Jim, Did the registration form actually come through or am I just electronically challenged? Not sure I saw it. Regards, Dave Gerrish -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Commander-List Digest Server Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:58 AM Subject: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/26/13 * ======================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted i n HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Ch apter 13-07-26&Archive=Commander Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Cha pter 2013-07-26&Archive=Commander ======================== ======================= EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ====================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/26/13: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:07 PM - Fly-In Info (yourtcfg(at)aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Info From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Here's the registration form and information regarding this year's Fly-In. Hope to see you all! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Fly-In Hotel
Date: Jul 29, 2013
Hello All, Last Friday, I made a Reservation for the Doubletree Downtown hotel in Chattanooga and received confirmation by email. However, when I looked at the confirmation again later on, it was only then that I noticed the dates were wrong! My email to the hotel clearly showed the dates as 11th to 15th September. But the confirmation showed the dates as 11th to 15th of August! I tried to use the "Modify Reservation" but this wasn't possible, as the special room rate wasn't applicable for the revised dates. Thought a heads-up might be in order so you can all ensure your dates are correct. Best Regards, Barry Collman ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-In Hotel
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 30, 2013
Barry, Thanks for the heads-up. Checked our reservation and it was correct. You can e-mail Sandy to have her correct the dates, if you haven't already. See Ya Soon! -----Original Message----- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 9:48 am Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Hotel Hello All, Last Friday, I made a Reservation for the Doubletree Downtown hotel in Chat tanooga and received confirmation by email. However, when I looked at the confirmation again later on, it was only then that I noticed the dates were wrong! My email to the hotel clearly showed the dates as 11th to 15th September. But the confirmation showed the dates as 11th to 15th of August! I tried to use the =9CModify Reservation=9D but this wasn =99t possible, as the special room rate wasn=99t applicable for the r evised dates. Thought a heads-up might be in order so you can all ensure your dates are c orrect. Best Regards, Barry Collman ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Bottrell" <john.bottrell(at)cox.net>
Subject: New member looking for cabin door latch
Date: Aug 03, 2013
Hello all, I've just recently bought a 500A (N78379) and have gone back and read, during my pre-purchase research, many of the posts Bill Bow made during his ownership of this aircraft. I've enjoyed reading them and already feel a part of this group even though this is my first time to ask a question. I'm having a few things fixed and one squawk is no way to lock the cabin. There are no guts to the door hardware and it looks like I need a complete latch assembly. Would anyone have an idea where I might find one? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: New member looking for cabin door latch
Date: Aug 04, 2013
I recently bought a 685 and just had the local locksmith put the "coke mach ine" type security locks on all the doors - works a treat John Ives From: john.bottrell(at)cox.net Subject: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Date: Sat=2C 3 Aug 2013 11:38:38 -0500 Hello all=2C I=92ve just recently bought a 500A (N78379) and have gone back and read=2C during my pre-purchase research=2C many of the posts Bill Bow made during h is ownership of this aircraft. I=92ve enjoyed reading them and already fee l a part of this group even though this is my first time to ask a question. I=92m having a few things fixed and one squawk is no way to lock the cabi n. There are no guts to the door hardware and it looks like I need a compl ete latch assembly. Would anyone have an idea where I might find one? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Bottrell" <john.bottrell(at)cox.net>
Subject: New member looking for cabin door latch
Date: Aug 03, 2013
That's what Valair was trying to do when the locksmith told them there isn't enough there to do that with. It seems we need enough to start with to re-key with the coke machine type, but that is our goal. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ives Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch I recently bought a 685 and just had the local locksmith put the "coke machine" type security locks on all the doors - works a treat John Ives _____ From: john.bottrell(at)cox.net Subject: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:38:38 -0500 Hello all, I've just recently bought a 500A (N78379) and have gone back and read, during my pre-purchase research, many of the posts Bill Bow made during his ownership of this aircraft. I've enjoyed reading them and already feel a part of this group even though this is my first time to ask a question. I'm having a few things fixed and one squawk is no way to lock the cabin. There are no guts to the door hardware and it looks like I need a complete latch assembly. Would anyone have an idea where I might find one? st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: New member looking for cabin door latch
Date: Aug 04, 2013
Our aircraft had no locks at all=2C cost me $US210 for a door=2C baggae com partment and battery access. If you are missing the mechanism then I know Atlanta Salavge has about 6 Co mmanders in pieces with doors. John From: john.bottrell(at)cox.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Date: Sat=2C 3 Aug 2013 12:08:08 -0500 That=92s what Valair was trying to do when the locksmith told them there is n=92t enough there to do that with. It seems we need enough to start with to re-key with the coke machine type=2C but that is our goal. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ives Sent: Saturday=2C August 03=2C 2013 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch I recently bought a 685 and just had the local locksmith put the "coke mach ine" type security locks on all the doors - works a treat John Ives From: john.bottrell(at)cox.net Subject: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Date: Sat=2C 3 Aug 2013 11:38:38 -0500 Hello all=2C I=92ve just recently bought a 500A (N78379) and have gone back and read=2C during my pre-purchase research=2C many of the posts Bill Bow made during h is ownership of this aircraft. I=92ve enjoyed reading them and already fee l a part of this group even though this is my first time to ask a question. I=92m having a few things fixed and one squawk is no way to lock the cabi n. There are no guts to the door hardware and it looks like I need a compl ete latch assembly. Would anyone have an idea where I might find one? st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listttp://for ums.matronics.com=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://w ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp:// www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: New member looking for cabin door latch
Date: Aug 03, 2013
Dallas Air motive has had what I have needed for my 500A. Jim Addington 500A N444BD _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Bottrell Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 11:39 AM Subject: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Hello all, I've just recently bought a 500A (N78379) and have gone back and read, during my pre-purchase research, many of the posts Bill Bow made during his ownership of this aircraft. I've enjoyed reading them and already feel a part of this group even though this is my first time to ask a question. I'm having a few things fixed and one squawk is no way to lock the cabin. There are no guts to the door hardware and it looks like I need a complete latch assembly. Would anyone have an idea where I might find one? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Bottrell" <john.bottrell(at)cox.net>
Subject: New member looking for cabin door latch
Date: Aug 03, 2013
Thanks John, I'll try them Monday. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ives Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 12:20 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Our aircraft had no locks at all, cost me $US210 for a door, baggae compartment and battery access. If you are missing the mechanism then I know Atlanta Salavge has about 6 Commanders in pieces with doors. John _____ From: john.bottrell(at)cox.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:08:08 -0500 That's what Valair was trying to do when the locksmith told them there isn't enough there to do that with. It seems we need enough to start with to re-key with the coke machine type, but that is our goal. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ives Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch I recently bought a 685 and just had the local locksmith put the "coke machine" type security locks on all the doors - works a treat John Ives _____ From: john.bottrell(at)cox.net Subject: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:38:38 -0500 Hello all, I've just recently bought a 500A (N78379) and have gone back and read, during my pre-purchase research, many of the posts Bill Bow made during his ownership of this aircraft. I've enjoyed reading them and already feel a part of this group even though this is my first time to ask a question. I'm having a few things fixed and one squawk is no way to lock the cabin. There are no guts to the door hardware and it looks like I need a complete latch assembly. Would anyone have an idea where I might find one? st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Bottrell" <john.bottrell(at)cox.net>
Subject: New member looking for cabin door latch
Date: Aug 03, 2013
Thanks Jim. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Dallas Air motive has had what I have needed for my 500A. Jim Addington 500A N444BD _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Bottrell Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 11:39 AM Subject: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Hello all, I've just recently bought a 500A (N78379) and have gone back and read, during my pre-purchase research, many of the posts Bill Bow made during his ownership of this aircraft. I've enjoyed reading them and already feel a part of this group even though this is my first time to ask a question. I'm having a few things fixed and one squawk is no way to lock the cabin. There are no guts to the door hardware and it looks like I need a complete latch assembly. Would anyone have an idea where I might find one? http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New member looking for cabin door latch
From: wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au
Date: Aug 04, 2013
John,=0AThe whole handle and latch is the same as many early Beech, that is=0Aanother avenue.=0AI was lucky enough to pick up a whole=C2- asse mbly, still in the sealed=0Atin can, with a Beech 18 P/N. I have a 500A. =0ACheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: com mander-list(at)matronics.com=0ATo:=0ACc:=0ASent:Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:08:01 -0 500=0ASubject:RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latc h=0A=0AThanks John, I=99ll try them Monday.=0A=0A=C2-=0A =0AFROM: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-co mmander-list-server(at)matronics.com] ON BEHALF OF John=0AIves=0ASENT: Satu rday, August 03, 2013 12:20 PM=0ATO: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASUBJ ECT: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0AOur aircraft had no locks at all, cost me $US210 for a door, baggae=0Acompartment and battery access.=0A=C2-=0AIf you are mi ssing the mechanism then I know Atlanta Salavge has about=0A6 Commanders in pieces with doors.=0A=C2-=0AJohn=0A=C2-=0A=0AFrom: john.bottr ell(at)cox.net [1]=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com [2]=0ASubject: RE: Co mmander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch=0ADate: Sat, 3 Aug when the locksmith told them=0Athere isn=99t enough there to do t hat with.=C2- It seems we need enough=0Ato start with to re-key with t he coke machine type, but that is our=0Agoal.=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0AFRO M: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [3]=0A[mailto:owner-command er-list-server(at)matronics.com [4]] ON BEHALF OF=0AJohn Ives=0ASENT: Satur day, August 03, 2013 11:46 AM=0ATO: commander-list(at)matronics.com [5]=0AS UBJECT: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch=0A =0A=C2-=0A=0AI recently bought a 685 and just had the local lock smith put the=0A"coke machine" type security locks on=C2-all the doors - works a treat=0A=C2-=0AJohn Ives=0A=C2-=0A=0AFrom: john.bottre ll(at)cox.net [6]=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com [7]=0ASubject: Command er-List: New member looking for cabin door latch=0ADate: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 ust recently bought a 500A (N78379) and have gone back and=0Aread, durin g my pre-purchase research, many of the posts Bill Bow made=0Aduring his ownership of this aircraft.=C2- I=99ve enjoyed reading them=0Aa nd already feel a part of this group even though this is my first=0Atime to ask a question.=C2- I=99m having a few things fixed and one =0Asquawk is no way to lock the cabin.=C2- There are no guts to the do or=0Ahardware and it looks like I need a complete latch assembly.=C2- Would=0Aanyone have an idea where I might find one?=0A=0A=C2-=0A =0A=C2-=0A=0AST" TARGET=_BLANK>HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGA TOR?COMMANDER-LIST=0A[8]=0A=0ATTP://FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM=0A=0A=_ BLANK>HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION [9]=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0AHTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?COMMAND ER-LIST [10]=0A=0AHTTP://FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM [11]=0A=0AHTTP://WWW MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION [12]=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0AST" TARGET=_BLANK>HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?CO MMANDER-LIST=0A[13]=0A=0ATTP://FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM=0A=0A=_BLANK >HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION [14]=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2 -=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0AHTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?COMMANDER- LIST=0A=0AHTTP://FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM=0A=0AHTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.CO M/CONTRIBUTION=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A-------------------------=0AEmail sen t using Optus Webmail=0A=0ALinks:=0A------=0A[1] mailto:john.bottrell@co x.net=0A[2] mailto:commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A[3] mailto:owner-comma nder-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[4] mailto:owner-commander-list-server@ matronics.com=0A[5] mailto:commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A[6] mailto:joh n.bottrell(at)cox.net=0A[7] mailto:commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A[8]=0Ahtt ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New member looking for cabin door latch
From: wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au
Date: Aug 04, 2013
John,=0AThe whole handle and latch is the same as many early Beech, that is=0Aanother avenue.=0AI was lucky enough to pick up a whole=C2- asse mbly, still in the sealed=0Atin can, with a Beech 18 P/N. I have a 500A. =0ACheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: com mander-list(at)matronics.com=0ATo:=0ACc:=0ASent:Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:08:01 -0 500=0ASubject:RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latc h=0A=0AThanks John, I=99ll try them Monday.=0A=0A=C2-=0A =0AFROM: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-co mmander-list-server(at)matronics.com] ON BEHALF OF John=0AIves=0ASENT: Satu rday, August 03, 2013 12:20 PM=0ATO: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASUBJ ECT: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0AOur aircraft had no locks at all, cost me $US210 for a door, baggae=0Acompartment and battery access.=0A=C2-=0AIf you are mi ssing the mechanism then I know Atlanta Salavge has about=0A6 Commanders in pieces with doors.=0A=C2-=0AJohn=0A=C2-=0A=0AFrom: john.bottr ell(at)cox.net [1]=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com [2]=0ASubject: RE: Co mmander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch=0ADate: Sat, 3 Aug when the locksmith told them=0Athere isn=99t enough there to do t hat with.=C2- It seems we need enough=0Ato start with to re-key with t he coke machine type, but that is our=0Agoal.=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0AFRO M: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [3]=0A[mailto:owner-command er-list-server(at)matronics.com [4]] ON BEHALF OF=0AJohn Ives=0ASENT: Satur day, August 03, 2013 11:46 AM=0ATO: commander-list(at)matronics.com [5]=0AS UBJECT: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch=0A =0A=C2-=0A=0AI recently bought a 685 and just had the local lock smith put the=0A"coke machine" type security locks on=C2-all the doors - works a treat=0A=C2-=0AJohn Ives=0A=C2-=0A=0AFrom: john.bottre ll(at)cox.net [6]=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com [7]=0ASubject: Command er-List: New member looking for cabin door latch=0ADate: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 ust recently bought a 500A (N78379) and have gone back and=0Aread, durin g my pre-purchase research, many of the posts Bill Bow made=0Aduring his ownership of this aircraft.=C2- I=99ve enjoyed reading them=0Aa nd already feel a part of this group even though this is my first=0Atime to ask a question.=C2- I=99m having a few things fixed and one =0Asquawk is no way to lock the cabin.=C2- There are no guts to the do or=0Ahardware and it looks like I need a complete latch assembly.=C2- Would=0Aanyone have an idea where I might find one?=0A=0A=C2-=0A =0A=C2-=0A=0AST" TARGET=_BLANK>HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGA TOR?COMMANDER-LIST=0A[8]=0A=0ATTP://FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM=0A=0A=_ BLANK>HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION [9]=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0AHTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?COMMAND ER-LIST [10]=0A=0AHTTP://FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM [11]=0A=0AHTTP://WWW MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION [12]=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0AST" TARGET=_BLANK>HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?CO MMANDER-LIST=0A[13]=0A=0ATTP://FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM=0A=0A=_BLANK >HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION [14]=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2 -=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0AHTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?COMMANDER- LIST=0A=0AHTTP://FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM=0A=0AHTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.CO M/CONTRIBUTION=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A-------------------------=0AEmail sen t using Optus Webmail=0A=0ALinks:=0A------=0A[1] mailto:john.bottrell@co x.net=0A[2] mailto:commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A[3] mailto:owner-comma nder-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[4] mailto:owner-commander-list-server@ matronics.com=0A[5] mailto:commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A[6] mailto:joh n.bottrell(at)cox.net=0A[7] mailto:commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A[8]=0Ahtt p://webmail.optuszoo.com.au/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?COMMANDER -LIST=0A[9]=0Ahttp://webmail.optuszoo.com.au/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CO NTRIBUTION=0A[10]=0Ahttp://webmail.optuszoo.com.au/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS. COM/NAVIGATOR?COMMANDER-LIST=0A[11] http://webmail.optuszoo.com.au/HTTP: //FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM=0A[12]=0Ahttp://webmail.optuszoo.com.au/HTTP://WW W.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION=0A[13]=0Ahttp://webmail.optuszoo.com.au/HTT P://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?COMMANDER-LIST=0A[14]=0Ahttp://webmail.o ptuszoo.com.au/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION=0A zoo.com.au/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?COMMANDER -LIST=0A[9]=0Ahttp://webmail.optuszoo.com.au/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CO NTRIBUTION=0A[10]=0Ahttp://webmail.optuszoo.com.au/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS. COM/NAVIGATOR?COMMANDER-LIST=0A[11] http://webmail.optuszoo.com.au/HTTP: //FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM=0A[12]=0Ahttp://webmail.optuszoo.com.au/HTTP://WW W.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION=0A[13]=0Ahttp://webmail.optuszoo.com.au/HTT P://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?COMMANDER-LIST=0A[14]=0Ahttp://webmail.o ptuszoo.com.au/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Bottrell" <john.bottrell(at)cox.net>
Subject: New member looking for cabin door latch
Date: Aug 04, 2013
Thanks Bill, I=99ll keep that in mind. That=99s pretty cool. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 3:58 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch John, The whole handle and latch is the same as many early Beech, that is another avenue. I was lucky enough to pick up a whole assembly, still in the sealed tin can, with a Beech 18 P/N. I have a 500A. Cheers, Bill Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: commander-list(at)matronics.com To: Cc: Sent: Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Thanks John, I=99ll try them Monday. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ives Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 12:20 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Our aircraft had no locks at all, cost me $US210 for a door, baggae compartment and battery access. If you are missing the mechanism then I know Atlanta Salavge has about 6 Commanders in pieces with doors. John From: john.bottrell(at)cox.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:08:08 -0500 That=99s what Valair was trying to do when the locksmith told them there isn=99t enough there to do that with. It seems we need enough to start with to re-key with the coke machine type, but that is our goal. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ives Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch I recently bought a 685 and just had the local locksmith put the "coke machine" type security locks on all the doors - works a treat John Ives From: john.bottrell(at)cox.net Subject: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:38:38 -0500 Hello all, I=99ve just recently bought a 500A (N78379) and have gone back and read, during my pre-purchase research, many of the posts Bill Bow made during his ownership of this aircraft. I=99ve enjoyed reading them and already feel a part of this group even though this is my first time to ask a question. I=99m having a few things fixed and one squawk is no way to lock the cabin. There are no guts to the door hardware and it looks like I need a complete latch assembly. Would anyone have an idea where I might find one? st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronicscom/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ Email sent using Optus Webmail ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: New member looking for cabin door latch
Date: Aug 04, 2013
The locks are also the same for many Aerostars. Good luck. Randy Dettmer, AIAM NCARB 680F / N6253X logoRED-126x38@72dpi Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 1:58 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch John, The whole handle and latch is the same as many early Beech, that is another avenue. I was lucky enough to pick up a whole assembly, still in the sealed tin can, with a Beech 18 P/N. I have a 500A. Cheers, Bill Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: commander-list(at)matronics.com To: Cc: Sent: Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Thanks John, I=99ll try them Monday. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ives Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 12:20 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Our aircraft had no locks at all, cost me $US210 for a door, baggae compartment and battery access. If you are missing the mechanism then I know Atlanta Salavge has about 6 Commanders in pieces with doors. John From: john.bottrell(at)cox.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:08:08 -0500 That=99s what Valair was trying to do when the locksmith told them there isn=99t enough there to do that with. It seems we need enough to start with to re-key with the coke machine type, but that is our goal. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ives Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch I recently bought a 685 and just had the local locksmith put the "coke machine" type security locks on all the doors - works a treat John Ives From: john.bottrell(at)cox.net Subject: Commander-List: New member looking for cabin door latch Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:38:38 -0500 Hello all, I=99ve just recently bought a 500A (N78379) and have gone back and read, during my pre-purchase research, many of the posts Bill Bow made during his ownership of this aircraft. I=99ve enjoyed reading them and already feel a part of this group even though this is my first time to ask a question. I=99m having a few things fixed and one squawk is no way to lock the cabin. There are no guts to the door hardware and it looks like I need a complete latch assembly. Would anyone have an idea where I might find one? st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronicscom/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ Email sent using Optus Webmail ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New member looking for cabin door latch
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Aug 04, 2013
That's what I was going to say - the lock and handle on my Aerostar is almost identical to my old 520. I bet they're the same part. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405932#405932 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com>
Subject: Re: New member looking for cabin door latch
Date: Aug 04, 2013
If in fact BE 18 parts work, which I have no clue if that is true, McGill Aviation Parts in Shreveport LA (318) 687-2700 I bought round engine airplane parts from them for 20 years and they have good stuff. Andy 58November -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 5:35 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: New member looking for cabin door latch That's what I was going to say - the lock and handle on my Aerostar is almost identical to my old 520. I bet they're the same part. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405932#405932 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Bottrell" <john.bottrell(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: New member looking for cabin door latch
Date: Aug 04, 2013
Thanks to all, I'll bet I can find one with all this. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of andy downs Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:09 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: New member looking for cabin door latch If in fact BE 18 parts work, which I have no clue if that is true, McGill Aviation Parts in Shreveport LA (318) 687-2700 I bought round engine airplane parts from them for 20 years and they have good stuff. Andy 58November -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 5:35 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: New member looking for cabin door latch That's what I was going to say - the lock and handle on my Aerostar is almost identical to my old 520. I bet they're the same part. -------- Adam Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405932#405932 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TCFG Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 05, 2013
Just a friendly reminder to book your hotel to ensure you get the discounte d rate for the Fly-In. You can also call Sandy at 423-756-5150 or 423-313- 5524 if you prefer. Either way, act fast! Looking forward to seeing everyone again! -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 25, 2013 9:48 am Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In If you are planning to attend the TCFG Fly-In September 12-15th in Chattano oga please make your hotel reservations as soon as possible to guarantee th e discounted rate. TCFG member Kevin Coons through his employer has been a ble to secure us a rate of $114 at the Downtown Doubletree. Please e-mail your reservations directly to Sandy Witzel, switzel(at)vhghotels.com, and let her know the dates you will be arriving and checking out using "TCFG/Kevin Coons" as the discount reference. If you're on our mailing list you will receive your registration packets ne xt week. If you're not on our list and would like one, let us know and we' ll email you the information. We're getting excited about seeing everyone again and hearing about your Co mmander and life exploits. ~Jim & Sue ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: not good news
Date: Aug 09, 2013
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/small-plane-crashes-east-haven-conn-house ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John denDekker" <john(at)carpenteravionics.com>
Subject: TCFG Fly-In
Date: Aug 14, 2013
Hi Jim and Sue, I am a little late getting caught up on my emails. In the post below you said "If you're on our mailing list you will receive your registration packets next week. If you're not on our list and would like one, let us know and we'll email you the information." How do I know if I'm on "the list"? Best regards, John DenDekker www.carpenteravionics.com 800.300.0352 Toll Free 615.355.9970 office NOTICE: This electronic transmission (including any referenced or attached materials) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, and is PRIVILEGED, WORK PRODUCT, PROPRIETARY and/or CONFIDENTIAL. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized person. If you have received this transmission in error you are PROHIBITED from disclosing, disseminating, reproducing, using or relying upon it. Please immediately delete it from your system without copying and notify the sender by return e-mail of the erroneous receipt. Thank you. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In Just a friendly reminder to book your hotel to ensure you get the discounted rate for the Fly-In. You can also call Sandy at 423-756-5150 or 423-313-5524 if you prefer. Either way, act fast! Looking forward to seeing everyone again! -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 25, 2013 9:48 am Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In If you are planning to attend the TCFG Fly-In September 12-15th in Chattanooga please make your hotel reservations as soon as possible to guarantee the discounted rate. TCFG member Kevin Coons through his employer has been able to secure us a rate of $114 at the Downtown Doubletree. Please e-mail your reservations directly to Sandy Witzel, switzel(at)vhghotels.com, and let her know the dates you will be arriving and checking out using "TCFG/Kevin Coons" as the discount reference. If you're on our mailing list you will receive your registration packets next week. If you're not on our list and would like one, let us know and we'll email you the information. We're getting excited about seeing everyone again and hearing about your Commander and life exploits. ~Jim & Sue " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TCFG Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2013
John, Information regarding the Fly-In is attached. It's going to be a great eve nt so I hope you are able to attend. Let us know if you have any problems opening the attachments. ~Jim Metzger 360-903-6901 -----Original Message----- From: John denDekker <john(at)carpenteravionics.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 1:18 pm Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In Hi Jim and Sue, I am a little late getting caught up on myemails. In the post below you sai d =9CIf you're on our mailing list you will receive your registration packets next week. If you're not on our list and would like one, let uskno w and we'll email you the information.=9DHow do I know if I=99m on =9Cthe list=9D? Best regards, John DenDekker www.carpenteravionics.com 800.300.0352 Toll Free 615.355.9970 office NOTICE: This electronic transmission(including any referenced or attached m aterials) is covered by the ElectronicCommunications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, and is PRIVILEGED, WORKPRODUCT, PROPRIETARY and/or CONFIDE NTIAL. It is not intended for transmissionto, or receipt by, any unauthoriz ed person. If you have received thistransmission in error you are PROHIBITE D from disclosing, disseminating,reproducing, using or relying upon it. Ple ase immediately delete it from yoursystem without copying and notify the se nder by return e-mail of the erroneousreceipt. Thank you. From:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-commander-list- server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 05, 201310:19 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFGFly-In Just a friendly reminder to book yourhotel to ensure you get the discounted rate for the Fly-In. You can alsocall Sandy at423-756-5150 or 423-313-552 4 if you prefer. Either way, act fast! Looking forward to seeing everyone again! -----OriginalMessage----- From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 25, 2013 9:48 am Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In If you are planning to attend the TCFGFly-In September 12-15th in Chattanoo ga pleasemake your hotel reservations as soon as possible to guarantee the discountedrate. TCFG member Kevin Coons through his employer has been able tosecure us a rate of $114 at the Downtown Doubletree. Please e-mail your reservations directly to Sandy Witzel, switzel(at)vhghotels.com,and let her kn ow the dates you will be arriving and checkingout using "TCFG/Kevin Coons" as the discount reference. If you're on our mailing list you willreceive your registration packets nex t week. If you're not on our listand would like one, let us know and we'll email you the information. We're getting excited about seeingeveryone again and hearing about your Com mander and life exploits. ~Jim & Sue " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: TCFG Fly-In
Date: Aug 17, 2013
Hi=2C I was planning to go=2C but my aircraft blew an engine in Bangladesh on the way home to Australia. The recovery is costing around $60K plus lost earni ng of about $70K. Just for the record the engine had only done 180 houirs since a premium ove rhaul. I told Gary Gadberry I would be at next years one when I take deliver of my next Commander. All the best John Ives Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Date: Fri=2C 16 Aug 2013 20:26:56 -0400 John=2C Information regarding the Fly-In is attached. It's going to be a great eve nt so I hope you are able to attend. Let us know if you have any problems opening the attachments. ~Jim Metzger 360-903-6901 -----Original Message----- From: John denDekker <john(at)carpenteravionics.com> Sent: Wed=2C Aug 14=2C 2013 1:18 pm Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In Hi Jim and Sue=2C I am a little late getting caught up on my emails. In the post below you sa id =93If you're on our mailing list you will receive your registration pack ets next week. If you're not on our list and would like one=2C let us know and we'll email you the information.=94 How do I know if I=92m on =93the l ist=94? Best regards=2C John DenDekker www.carpenteravionics.com 800.300.0352 Toll Free 615.355.9970 office NOTICE: This electronic transmission (including any referenced or attached materials) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act=2C 18 U. S.C. Sec. 2510-2521=2C and is PRIVILEGED=2C WORK PRODUCT=2C PROPRIETARY and /or CONFIDENTIAL. It is not intended for transmission to=2C or receipt by =2C any unauthorized person. If you have received this transmission in erro r you are PROHIBITED from disclosing=2C disseminating=2C reproducing=2C usi ng or relying upon it. Please immediately delete it from your system withou t copying and notify the sender by return e-mail of the erroneous receipt. Thank you. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday=2C August 05=2C 2013 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In Just a friendly reminder to book your hotel to ensure you get the discounte d rate for the Fly-In. You can also call Sandy at 423-756-5150 or 423-313- 5524 if you prefer. Either way=2C act fast! Looking forward to seeing everyone again! -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com> Sent: Thu=2C Jul 25=2C 2013 9:48 am Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In If you are planning to attend the TCFG Fly-In September 12-15th in Chattano oga please make your hotel reservations as soon as possible to guarantee th e discounted rate. TCFG member Kevin Coons through his employer has been a ble to secure us a rate of $114 at the Downtown Doubletree. Please e-mail your reservations directly to Sandy Witzel=2C switzel(at)vhghotels.com=2C and let her know the dates you will be arriving and checking out using "TCFG/Ke vin Coons" as the discount reference. If you're on our mailing list you will receive your registration packets ne xt week. If you're not on our list and would like one=2C let us know and w e'll email you the information. We're getting excited about seeing everyone again and hearing about your Co mmander and life exploits. ~Jim & Sue " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commande r-Listtp://forums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronic s.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TCFG Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2013
John, Sorry about your engine -- that's a bummer for sure. We look forward to me eting you next year. Stay tuned to the chatlist when we announce where it will be held. ~Jim Bob -----Original Message----- From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 6:45 pm Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In Hi, I was planning to go, but my aircraft blew an engine in Bangladesh on the w ay home to Australia. The recovery is costing around $60K plus lost earning of about $70K. Just for the record the engine had only done 180 houirs since a premium ove rhaul. I told Gary Gadberry I would be at next years one when I take deliver of my next Commander. All the best John Ives Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:26:56 -0400 John, Information regarding the Fly-In is attached. It's going to be a great eve nt so I hope you are able to attend. Let us know if you have any problems opening the attachments. ~Jim Metzger 360-903-6901 -----Original Message----- From: John denDekker <john(at)carpenteravionics.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 1:18 pm Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In Hi Jim and Sue, I am a little late getting caught up on my emails. In the post below you sa id =9CIf you're on our mailing list you will receive your registratio n packets next week. If you're not on our list and would like one, let us know and we'll email you the information.=9D How do I know if I =99m on =9Cthe list=9D? Best regards, John DenDekker www.carpenteravionics.com 800.300.0352 Toll Free 615.355.9970 office NOTICE: This electronic transmission (including any referenced or attached materials) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S. C. Sec. 2510-2521, and is PRIVILEGED, WORK PRODUCT, PROPRIETARY and/or CONF IDENTIAL. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauth orized person. If you have received this transmission in error you are PROH IBITED from disclosing, disseminating, reproducing, using or relying upon i t. Please immediately delete it from your system without copying and notify the sender by return e-mail of the erroneous receipt. Thank you. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In Just a friendly reminder to book your hotel to ensure you get the discounte d rate for the Fly-In. You can also call Sandy at 423-756-5150 or 423-313- 5524 if you prefer. Either way, act fast! Looking forward to seeing everyone again! -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 25, 2013 9:48 am Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In If you are planning to attend the TCFG Fly-In September 12-15th in Chattano oga please make your hotel reservations as soon as possible to guarantee th e discounted rate. TCFG member Kevin Coons through his employer has been a ble to secure us a rate of $114 at the Downtown Doubletree. Please e-mail your reservations directly to Sandy Witzel, switzel(at)vhghotels.com, and let her know the dates you will be arriving and checking out using "TCFG/Kevin Coons" as the discount reference. If you're on our mailing list you will receive your registration packets ne xt week. If you're not on our list and would like one, let us know and we' ll email you the information. We're getting excited about seeing everyone again and hearing about your Co mmander and life exploits. ~Jim & Sue " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TCFG Fly-In
From: Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2013
Please e-mail the info to me about the fly- in and registration . I have the info on the Double Tree . Thanks Gil walker N 6819 Q Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2013, at 10:09 AM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote: > John, > > Sorry about your engine -- that's a bummer for sure. We look forward to m eeting you next year. Stay tuned to the chatlist when we announce where it w ill be held. > > ~Jim Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com> > To: commander-list > Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 6:45 pm > Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In > > Hi, > > I was planning to go, but my aircraft blew an engine in Bangladesh on the w ay home to Australia. The recovery is costing around $60K plus lost earning o f about $70K. > > Just for the record the engine had only done 180 houirs since a premium ov erhaul. > > I told Gary Gadberry I would be at next years one when I take deliver of m y next Commander. > > All the best > > > John Ives > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In > From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:26:56 -0400 > > John, > > Information regarding the Fly-In is attached. It's going to be a great ev ent so I hope you are able to attend. Let us know if you have any problems o pening the attachments. > > ~Jim Metzger > 360-903-6901 > -----Original Message----- > From: John denDekker <john(at)carpenteravionics.com> > To: commander-list > Sent: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 1:18 pm > Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In > > Hi Jim and Sue, > I am a little late getting caught up on my emails. In the post below you s aid =9CIf you're on our mailing list you will receive your registratio n packets next week. If you're not on our list and would like one, let us k now and we'll email you the information.=9D How do I know if I=99 m on =9Cthe list=9D? > > Best regards, > John DenDekker > www.carpenteravionics.com > 800.300.0352 Toll Free > 615.355.9970 office > > NOTICE: This electronic transmission (including any referenced or attached materials) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S. C. Sec. 2510-2521, and is PRIVILEGED, WORK PRODUCT, PROPRIETARY and/or CONFI DENTIAL. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthor ized person. If you have received this transmission in error you are PROHIBI TED from disclosing, disseminating, reproducing, using or relying upon it. P lease immediately delete it from your system without copying and notify the s ender by return e-mail of the erroneous receipt. Thank you. > > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:19 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In > > Just a friendly reminder to book your hotel to ensure you get the discount ed rate for the Fly-In. You can also call Sandy at 423-756-5150 or 423-313- 5524 if you prefer. Either way, act fast! > > Looking forward to seeing everyone again! > -----Original Message----- > From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com> > To: commander-list > Sent: Thu, Jul 25, 2013 9:48 am > Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In > If you are planning to attend the TCFG Fly-In September 12-15th in Chattan ooga please make your hotel reservations as soon as possible to guarantee th e discounted rate. TCFG member Kevin Coons through his employer has been ab le to secure us a rate of $114 at the Downtown Doubletree. Please e-mail yo ur reservations directly to Sandy Witzel, switzel(at)vhghotels.com, and let her know the dates you will be arriving and checking out using "TCFG/Kevin Coon s" as the discount reference. > > If you're on our mailing list you will receive your registration packets n ext week. If you're not on our list and would like one, let us know and we' ll email you the information. > > We're getting excited about seeing everyone again and hearing about your C ommander and life exploits. > > ~Jim & Sue > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: TCFG Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 19, 2013
Another reminder to book your hotel if you haven't done so already. -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 8:20 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In Just a friendly reminder to book your hotel to ensure you get the discounte d rate for the Fly-In. You can also call Sandy at 423-756-5150 or 423-313- 5524 if you prefer. Either way, act fast! Looking forward to seeing everyone again! -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 25, 2013 9:48 am Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In If you are planning to attend the TCFG Fly-In September 12-15th in Chattano oga please make your hotel reservations as soon as possible to guarantee th e discounted rate. TCFG member Kevin Coons through his employer has been a ble to secure us a rate of $114 at the Downtown Doubletree. Please e-mail your reservations directly to Sandy Witzel, switzel(at)vhghotels.com, and let her know the dates you will be arriving and checking out using "TCFG/Kevin Coons" as the discount reference. If you're on our mailing list you will receive your registration packets ne xt week. If you're not on our list and would like one, let us know and we' ll email you the information. We're getting excited about seeing everyone again and hearing about your Co mmander and life exploits. ~Jim & Sue " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "andy downs" <andy(at)58November.com>


March 29, 2013 - August 25, 2013

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