Commander-Archive.digest.vol-fi
February 08, 2014 - September 16, 2014
Commander-Archive.digest.vol-fi
February 08, 2014 - September 16, 2014
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Date: Feb 08, 2014
Subject: AC500 at KIGM
From: "CloudCraft / K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: AC560A at KIGM
Date: Feb 09, 2014
Hello Keith,
Grateful thanks for sending the shots taken at Kingman.
The 560A, N2775B, was there when I visited Kingman on September 25th
1995, but it was parked in a different place (see attached).
When I enquired at the FBO office, I was told it had been sat there for
a number of years, the owners having had a dispute.
There was a couple in the office as well and I overheard the lady saying
to her husband =9CI think he=99s from England. Do you think
he knows George?=9D
By a strange quirk of fate, I do know George. He=99s my car
mechanic and always sorts out any problems.
Don=99t see him that much though, as I=99ve got a BMW ;-)
Very Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft / K.S.Gordon
Sent: 09 February 2014 03:47
Subject: Commander-List: AC560A at KIGM
Sir Barry and Group,
Was at Kingman, Arizona KIGM last week. Spotted two specimens. Will
upload the AC500 separately.
Keith S. Gordon
on the fly
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: AC500 at KIGM
Date: Feb 09, 2014
Hi Keith,
Grateful thanks.
This one (Model 500 s/n 795) was Registered in Canada in 1995, so
wasn=99t at Kingman when I was there in Sept 1995.
The shots of the s/n plate we especially welcome.
So, if anyone else gets an opportunity to photograph the s/n plate of
any Commander they see, I=99d be grateful for a copy.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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CloudCraft / K.S.Gordon
Sent: 09 February 2014 03:52
Subject: Commander-List: AC500 at KIGM
Sir Barry and Group,
It's been a long time since I've spotted two bathtubs at the same
airport.
This and the AC560A were at Kingman, Arizona. KIGM.
Keith S. Gordon
on the fly
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Date: Feb 09, 2014
Subject: AC560A at KIGM
From: "CloudCraft / K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: AC560A at KIGM
Date: Feb 10, 2014
Hi Keith,
Thanks for the extra shot of N2775B.
Not pristine condition, but at least the tires have been inflated!
Don=99t you mean that I should be driving a Rolls-Royce or
Bentley?
I would, of course, but neither fits in the garage.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft / K.S.Gordon
Sent: 09 February 2014 21:51
Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC560A at KIGM
Barry,
N2775B may be out of the weeds but she's not in any better condition,
sadly.
Shouldn't you be driving an MG or Jaguar?
Keith S. Gordon
on the fly
-------- Original message --------
From: Barry Collman
Date:09/02/2014 06:32 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC560A at KIGM
Hello Keith,
Grateful thanks for sending the shots taken at Kingman.
The 560A, N2775B, was there when I visited Kingman on September 25th
1995, but it was parked in a different place (see attached).
When I enquired at the FBO office, I was told it had been sat there for
a number of years, the owners having had a dispute.
There was a couple in the office as well and I overheard the lady saying
to her husband =9CI think he=99s from England. Do you think
he knows George?=9D
By a strange quirk of fate, I do know George. He=99s my car
mechanic and always sorts out any problems.
Don=99t see him that much though, as I=99ve got a BMW ;-)
Very Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft / K.S.Gordon
Sent: 09 February 2014 03:47
Subject: Commander-List: AC560A at KIGM
Sir Barry and Group,
Was at Kingman, Arizona KIGM last week. Spotted two specimens. Will
upload the AC500 separately.
Keith S. Gordon
on the fly
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Subject: Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
Date: Feb 10, 2014
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Subject: FW: Fwd:Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
The most amazing airplane in History....For the Airplane Buffs
Built in Russia during the 1930s, it flew 11 times before crashing and
killing 15 people.
The designer, Konstantin Kalinin, wanted to build two more planes but
the project was scrapped.
Later, Stalin had Kalinin executed.
Evidently, it was not good to fail on an expensive project under Stalin
.
It's got propellers on the back of the wings, too. You can count 12
engines facing front.
The size would be equivalent to the Empire State Building on its side,
with cannons.
And you think the 747 was big... not only a bunch of engines but check
out the cannons the plane was carrying.
In the 1930s the Russian army was obsessed by the idea of creating huge
planes.
At that time they were proposed to have as many propellers as possible
to help carrying those huge flying fortresses into the air, jet
propulsion has not been implemented yet.
Not many photos were saved from those times because of the high secrecy
levels of such projects and because a lot of time has already passed.
Still, on the attached photos you can see one such plane - a heavy
bomber K-7.
Can you imagine what it would be like sitting in this plane when those
cannons go off?
Looks like something out of a Jules Verne novel.
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Subject: Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
Date: Feb 10, 2014
From: "Levan Tabidze" <ltabidze(at)twincommander.com>
Well,
Very well done computer rendering.
And here is some more fanciful that depict the $B!H(Jimaginary K7$B!I(J in a close
encounter with an even more outlandish aircraft:
There was a real K-7 thou. It was not quite as large as on this rendering, and
yes, it unfortunately crashed during test flight.
Article about real K-7:
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/aircraft/Kalinin-K7.html
Levan Tabidze
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Twin Commander Aircraft, LLC.
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From: Steele, Bob [mailto:Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com]
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 3:05 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
Subject: FW: Fwd:Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
The most amazing airplane in History....For the Airplane Buffs
Built in Russia during the 1930s, it flew 11 times before crashing and killing
15 people.
The designer, Konstantin Kalinin, wanted to build two more planes but the project
was scrapped.
Later, Stalin had Kalinin executed.
Evidently, it was not good to fail on an expensive project under Stalin .
It's got propellers on the back of the wings, too. You can count 12 engines facing
front.
The size would be equivalent to the Empire State Building on its side, with
cannons.
And you think the 747 was big... not only a bunch of engines but check out the
cannons the plane was carrying.
In the 1930s the Russian army was obsessed by the idea of creating huge planes.
At that time they were proposed to have as many propellers as possible to help
carrying those huge flying fortresses into the air, jet propulsion has not been
implemented yet.
Not many photos were saved from those times because of the high secrecy levels
of such projects and because a lot of time has already passed.
Still, on the attached photos you can see one such plane - a heavy bomber K-7.
Can you imagine what it would be like sitting in this plane when those cannons
go off?
Looks like something out of a Jules Verne novel.
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From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 10, 2014
Subject: Re: Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
Good Afternoon Bob,
I have seen other reports on this airplane, some of which claimed that no
flights were made with all of the engines shown installed. It was also said
that all of the armament was only for ground photos. Never flew when so
equipped. Still a pretty amazing machine!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Downers Grove, IL
Stearman N3977A
In a message dated 2/10/2014 2:06:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com writes:
Subject: FW: Fwd:Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
The most amazing airplane in History....For the Airplane Buffs
Built in Russia during the 1930s, it flew 11 times before crashing and
killing 15 people.
The designer, Konstantin Kalinin, wanted to build two more planes but
the project was scrapped.
Later, Stalin had Kalinin executed.
Evidently, it was not good to fail on an expensive project under Stalin
.
It's got propellers on the back of the wings, too. You can count 12
engines facing front.
The size would be equivalent to the Empire State Building on its side,
with cannons.
And you think the 747 was big... not only a bunch of engines but check
out the cannons the plane was carrying.
In the 1930s the Russian army was obsessed by the idea of creating huge
planes.
At that time they were proposed to have as many propellers as possible to
help carrying those huge flying fortresses into the air, jet propulsion
has not been implemented yet.
Not many photos were saved from those times because of the high secrecy
levels of such projects and because a lot of time has already passed.
Still, on the attached photos you can see one such plane - a heavy
bomber K-7.
Can you imagine what it would be like sitting in this plane when those
cannons go off?
Looks like something out of a Jules Verne novel.
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Date: Feb 10, 2014
From: "sr14572(at)yahoo.com" <sr14572(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
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" =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday,
February 10, 2014 3:05 PM=0ASubject: Commander-List: Most Amazing War-Plane
In History !!!=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A-=0ASubject: FW:=0AFwd:Most Amazing War-P
lane In History !!!=0A-=0AThe most amazing airplane in History....For the
Airplane Buffs=0A-=0A=0A=0ABuilt in Russia during the 1930s, it flew 11
times before crashing and killing 15 people.=0A=0AThe designer,- Konstant
in Kalinin, wanted to build two more=0A planes but the project w
as scrapped.=0A=0ALater, Stalin had Kalinin =0A executed.=0A=0AE
vidently, it was not- good to fail on an expensive project=0A
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can count 12=0A engines facing front.=0A=0AThe size- would be
equivalent to the=0A Empire State =0A Building =0A o
n- its side, with- cannons.=0A=0AAnd you think the 747 was big... not o
nly a bunch of engines but=0A check out the cannons the plane wa
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creating=0A huge planes.=0A=0AAt that time they were proposed to
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en implemented yet.=0A=0ANot many photos were saved from those times becaus
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ot of time has=0A already passed.=0A=0AStill, on the attached ph
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From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Subject: Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
Date: Feb 10, 2014
sr14572.
The K7 was indeed a real aircraft. I remember reading about it when I was a
kid. Here is the designer's info on Wikipedia, with references to his
aircraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Kalinin
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Sent: February-10-14 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
I think this is something related to someones imagination. I think its
photoshopped.
_____
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 3:05 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
Subject: FW: Fwd:Most Amazing War-Plane In History !!!
The most amazing airplane in History....For the Airplane Buffs
Built in Russia during the 1930s, it flew 11 times before crashing and
killing 15 people.
The designer, Konstantin Kalinin, wanted to build two more planes but the
project was scrapped.
Later, Stalin had Kalinin executed.
Evidently, it was not good to fail on an expensive project under Stalin .
It's got propellers on the back of the wings, too. You can count 12 engines
facing front.
The size would be equivalent to the Empire State Building on its side,
with cannons.
And you think the 747 was big... not only a bunch of engines but check out
the cannons the plane was carrying.
In the 1930s the Russian army was obsessed by the idea of creating huge
planes.
At that time they were proposed to have as many propellers as possible to
help carrying those huge flying fortresses into the air, jet propulsion has
not been implemented yet.
Not many photos were saved from those times because of the high secrecy
levels of such projects and because a lot of time has already passed.
Still, on the attached photos you can see one such plane - a heavy bomber
K-7.
Can you imagine what it would be like sitting in this plane when those
cannons go off?
Looks like something out of a Jules Verne novel.
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Subject: Re: AC90/95 single pilot operation
From: "Sub22" <Homejunkdrawer(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Feb 10, 2014
Are you flying passengers or cargo?
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JS Bennett
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418488#418488
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Subject: Re: Need parts for 680F
From: "Sub22" <Homejunkdrawer(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Feb 10, 2014
Contact suburban air freight Omaha, NE They were the leading AC680 experts in the
80's and 90's. They no longer operate the Commanders but, might be able to
point you in the right direction.
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JS Bennett
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418494#418494
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Subject: Re: 680FLP
From: "Sub22" <Homejunkdrawer(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Feb 10, 2014
Try slow fighting, nose up. Then try heater ignition. It's worked for me a few
times. -30F
Does it fire up in warm air?
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JS Bennett
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Subject: Re: 680-FL(P)
From: "Sub22" <Homejunkdrawer(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Feb 10, 2014
There is a corrosion issue for the spar. X-Ray or a visual inspection can allow
for an approval. My company did a picture analysis that allowed us to continue
flying.
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JS Bennett
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Subject: Re: 680-FL(P)
From: "Sub22" <Homejunkdrawer(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Feb 10, 2014
There is a corrosion issue for the spar. X-Ray or a visual inspection can allow
for an approval. My company did a picture analysis that allowed us to continue
flying.
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JS Bennett
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418497#418497
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Subject: Re: Rare Placard
From: "Sub22" <Homejunkdrawer(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Feb 10, 2014
It was Chicago ORD
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JS Bennett
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Subject: Re: 680-FL(P)
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Feb 10, 2014
If it can't be modified, could you not change to N-reg and at least get it flown
out of there and sold elsewhere?
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Adam
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418511#418511
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Subject: Re: 680FLP
From: "RPMCommander" <RPMCOMMANDER(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Feb 10, 2014
turns out it had alot to do with the airconditioner that was mysteriously removed.
Thats all I will say.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418514#418514
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Subject: Re: 680-FL(P)
From: "RPMCommander" <RPMCOMMANDER(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Feb 11, 2014
stratobee wrote:
> If it can't be modified, could you not change to N-reg and at least get it flown
out of there and sold elsewhere?
William, I have a customer interested in purchasing VH-BTN "As-is where is"
Please talk to me before you make any funeral plans for her.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418574#418574
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Subject: Re: 680-FL(P)
From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Feb 12, 2014
I don't know how old the info on VH BTN is but it has been wrecked by gam for spares
some time ago
John ives
VH NJT ex N9199N AC685
Sent from my iPhone
> On 12 Feb 2014, at 5:16 pm, "RPMCommander" wrote:
>
>
>
> stratobee wrote:
>> If it can't be modified, could you not change to N-reg and at least get it flown
out of there and sold elsewhere?
>
>
> William, I have a customer interested in purchasing VH-BTN "As-is where is"
> Please talk to me before you make any funeral plans for her.
>
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Date: Feb 12, 2014
Subject: Re: 680-FL(P)
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
VH-BTN has been parted out and down to bare airframe only - previous owners
would not justify another spar extension mod
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44 PM, RPMCommander wrote:
> RPMCOMMANDER(at)GMAIL.COM>
>
>
> stratobee wrote:
> > If it can't be modified, could you not change to N-reg and at least get
> it flown out of there and sold elsewhere?
>
>
> William, I have a customer interested in purchasing VH-BTN "As-is where
> is"
> Please talk to me before you make any funeral plans for her.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418574#418574
>
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From: "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: 680-FL(P)
Date: Feb 14, 2014
Folks,
Having seen -BTN at Bankstown YSBK, days before GAM bought it, two of us had
considered making an offer, I was surprised that they even got it to a
condition where a Special Flight Permit could be issued to ferry it to
Essendon.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Legg
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: 680-FL(P)
VH-BTN has been parted out and down to bare airframe only - previous owners
would not justify another spar extension mod
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44 PM, RPMCommander
wrote:
stratobee wrote:
> If it can't be modified, could you not change to N-reg and at least get it
flown out of there and sold elsewhere?
William, I have a customer interested in purchasing VH-BTN "As-is where is"
Please talk to me before you make any funeral plans for her.
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Subject: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
From: Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 14, 2014
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
Date: Feb 14, 2014
Hey Farmer=2C
There is nothing there.
Moe MillsN680RR680F(p)
> Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
> From: daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com
> Date: Fri=2C 14 Feb 2014 08:50:38 -0700
> To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com
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Date: Feb 14, 2014
Subject: Re: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
From: Peter Bichier <yvabe560(at)gmail.com>
I conquer with Moe, nothing here...
Moe, I am a member of AOPA but somehow I still get the "flight training"
mag and not the Pilot one; I guess I made the wrong choice! (in general it
seems to me that they focus too much on the same issues as Flying mag...)
If you still have that article on the 690s radios from AOPA's mag and spare
a few minutes can you scan (picture) & send us (me) that article?
Thanks and hope the old gal and you are holding on!
Peter
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Moe Mills wrote:
> Hey Farmer,
>
> There is nothing there.
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
> > Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
> > From: daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com
> > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:50:38 -0700
> > To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
Date: Feb 14, 2014
BLANK PAGE, SEND AGAIN
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan<mailto:daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 10:50 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
Date: Feb 14, 2014
Peter=2C
Some years ago=2C when the magazine stacks were so high and numerous that y
ou could hardly get into my office=2C I made a hard rule that all magazines
were to be thrown out after two weeks regardless of whether they had been
read or not. Sorry=2C over two weeks have passed.
The bird is currently at the Hawthorne=2C CA. airport getting an annual. H
opefully it has not been put behind Adam's Aerostar which is getting new en
gines.
Hope things are good in your world.
MoeN680RR680F(p)
Date: Fri=2C 14 Feb 2014 16:00:41 -0800
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
From: yvabe560(at)gmail.com
I conquer with Moe=2C nothing here=85
Moe=2C I am a member of AOPA but somehow I still get the "flight training"
mag and not the Pilot one=3B I guess I made the wrong choice! (in general
it seems to me that they focus too much on the same issues as Flying mag=85
)=0A
If you still have that article on the 690s radios from AOPA's mag and spare
a few minutes can you scan (picture) & send us (me) that article?
Thanks and hope the old gal and you are holding on!=0A
Peter
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There is nothing there.
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> Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
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Date: Feb 15, 2014
Subject: Re: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
From: Peter Bichier <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM>
Haha! that's awesome!
Yeah... I'm a bit slow at times... I also have a stack of magazines that I need
to catch up just like emails! I always think I'm going to get to them at
some point or another... I guess while I have the space I stack, but there
comes a day when it all goes to recycle just like the day I moved.
I'm still adapting in crazy central CA... not flying much though and I'm
planning to fix that but still working on finding a plane to fly often...
Hope the annual goes smooth and if you head north for some reason let me
know!
Take care,
Peter
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Moe Mills wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Some years ago, when the magazine stacks were so high and numerous that
> you could hardly get into my office, I made a hard rule that all magazines
> were to be thrown out after two weeks regardless of whether they had been
> read or not. Sorry, over two weeks have passed.
>
> The bird is currently at the Hawthorne, CA. airport getting an annual.
> Hopefully it has not been put behind Adam's Aerostar which is getting new
> engines.
>
> Hope things are good in your world.
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:00:41 -0800
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
> From: yvabe560(at)gmail.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> I conquer with Moe, nothing here...
>
> Moe, I am a member of AOPA but somehow I still get the "flight training"
> mag and not the Pilot one; I guess I made the wrong choice! (in general it
> seems to me that they focus too much on the same issues as Flying mag...)
>
> If you still have that article on the 690s radios from AOPA's mag and
> spare a few minutes can you scan (picture) & send us (me) that article?
>
> Thanks and hope the old gal and you are holding on!
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Moe Mills wrote:
>
> Hey Farmer,
>
> There is nothing there.
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
> > Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: B17-Logbook.pdf
> > From: daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com
> > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:50:38 -0700
> > To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com
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Subject: B 17
From: Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 16, 2014
Log book. I guess the attachment was truncated. If any one is interested in reading
the navigators log book on the way to 25 missions just email me direct.
A very interesting read.
Happy Commandering
Dan Farmer
Sent from my iPad
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Commander Spot for Sir Barry
From: "Peter Bichier" <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Feb 20, 2014
Let's see if with these two birds I hear something back...
Last Saturday Feb'15th RHV As you can see she looks banged up, right nacelle &
right side of the nose is a bit "scratched" I also noticed hydraulic fluid on
the left main gear Possible lost of control after a hydraulic failure?
Let me see if I can attach all the pictures here, if not another email will follow.
Cheers,
--------
560 Dreamer
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Date: Feb 20, 2014
Subject: Re: Commander Spot for Sir Barry
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
Hey Peter,
N685TT has been in the ownership of Buddy Plaster (based at Apple Valley)
and was monitoring this list for many years. Buddy also owns N50BP - a
beautifully restored 560E model.
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Peter Bichier wrote:
>
> Let's see if with these two birds I hear something back...
>
> Last Saturday Feb'15th RHV... As you can see she looks banged up, right
> nacelle & right side of the nose is a bit "scratched..." I also noticed
> hydraulic fluid on the left main gear... Possible lost of control after a
> hydraulic failure?
>
> Let me see if I can attach all the pictures here, if not another email
> will follow.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --------
> 560 Dreamer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419052#419052
>
>
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>
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>
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander Spot for Sir Barry
Date: Feb 20, 2014
Peter,
Some strange characters appeared in your email, but I presume "RHV" is
Reid-Hillview airport, San Jose.
N685TT used to be owned by Buddy Plaster, as Russell pointed out, but he
sold it in September 2010.
The aircraft did have a complete hydraulic failure and was damaged at San
Jose, on January 30th.
Also, Buddy sold his beautiful 560E, N50BP, last Autumn.
Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Bichier
Sent: 20 February 2014 09:43
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Spot for Sir Barry
Let's see if with these two birds I hear something back...
Last Saturday Feb'15th RHV As you can see she looks banged up, right
nacelle & right side of the nose is a bit "scratched" I also noticed
hydraulic fluid on the left main gear Possible lost of control after a
hydraulic failure?
Let me see if I can attach all the pictures here, if not another email will
follow.
Cheers,
--------
560 Dreamer
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419052#419052
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Damaged Commander at Miami
Date: Feb 23, 2014
Hi Bert,
I've been sent the attached shot that shows a damaged Commander in the
background.
Any ideas as to its identity?
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Damaged Commander at Miami
From: White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 23, 2014
That ain't damaged!! It's a wreck!
>From my iPhone!
> On Feb 23, 2014, at 1:13 PM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
wrote:
>
> Hi Bert,
>
> I've been sent the attached shot that shows a damaged Commander in the
> background.
>
> Any ideas as to its identity?
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
> <00000 - unidentified Bathtub Model - 19Oct86 - Miami International FL - via
Aad van der Voet.JPG>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bert Berry <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Damaged Commander at Miami
Date: Feb 23, 2014
No luck on my end, I have several that were seized by customs, probably one of
those.
Bert
> On Feb 23, 2014, at 3:13 PM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
wrote:
>
> Hi Bert,
>
> I've been sent the attached shot that shows a damaged Commander in the
> background.
>
> Any ideas as to its identity?
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
> <00000 - unidentified Bathtub Model - 19Oct86 - Miami International FL - via
Aad van der Voet.JPG>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Damaged Commander at Miami
Date: Feb 24, 2014
OK Bert, but grateful thanks for checking.
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bert Berry
Sent: 24 February 2014 02:15
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Damaged Commander at Miami
No luck on my end, I have several that were seized by customs, probably one
of those.
Bert
> On Feb 23, 2014, at 3:13 PM, "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Bert,
>
> I've been sent the attached shot that shows a damaged Commander in the
> background.
>
> Any ideas as to its identity?
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
> <00000 - unidentified Bathtub Model - 19Oct86 - Miami International FL -
via Aad van der Voet.JPG>
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Subject: Re: Commander Spot for Sir Barry
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Feb 24, 2014
That whale motif one used to be at Morris's place for a long time. Spent a ton
of money on it. Trying to remember when I last saw it, but I think it was last
summer when I flew by Stockton. Sad to see it just sitting with deflated tires.
The other one looks like it could be saved for a sum. Don't fully understand what
cause that damage on the sides. Must have hit something ding landing.
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Subject: =?utf-8?B?QSBtZXNzYWdlIGZyb20gVHdpbiBDb21tYW5kZXLigJlzIA==?=
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Date: Mar 03, 2014
From: "Levan Tabidze" <ltabidze(at)twincommander.com>
A message from Twin Commanders Brian Harbaugh:
As a result of the Flight Group meeting in Tennessee, Twin Commander has researched
and confirmed availability of Custom Kit (CK) 110 Fuel Low Level Warning
System.
CK110 places a switch on the transmitter at the center fuel cell. The switch will
activate a warning light at 31 gallons of fuel remaining.
If you are interested in the kit please contact your Twin Commander Authorized
Service Center. Twin is waiting on your response prior to ordering inventory.
We estimate the list price to be $4200.00.
Your input is appreciated.
Levan Tabidze
Engineering Manager
Twin Commander Aircraft, LLC.
1176 Telecom Drive, Creedmoor, NC 27522-8294
Mobile: (919) 702-4445
Office: (919) 956-4246
Fax:(919) 682-3786
ltabidze(at)twincommander.com
www.TwinCommander.com
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Subject: Re: ?Q?Re:_Commander-List:_A_message_from_Twin_Commander?= =?utf-8?Q?=99s__Brian_Harbaugh?
From: Don Falik <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mar 03, 2014
As I recall, my 1970 500S had such a warning. When I took delivery of the plane,
the warning system was not operating and I nearly ran out of fuel twice as
I was transitioning from a plane with 5 hours fuel capacity to the Shrike that
had a little over 4 hour fuel capacity.
$4200.00... Wow,that is why I no longer fly a 500S. I now fly a Piper Geronimo.
I sure loved the 500S...until I did a spreadsheet on it and discovered what
it was costing per hour for me to fly it for pleasure. It doesn't take long
to remove the pleasure from it.
I remember that 1/2 of a back door hinge was $950.00 for the part plus install...I
still have the part. I also remember that a small hydraulic regulator needed
exchange for a rebuilt one and it was $6000.00 plus a core charge.
So I guess that $4200.00 is not "out of line" for the warning system.
Don
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 3, 2014, at 8:40 AM, "Levan Tabidze" wrote:
>
>
> A message from Twin Commanders Brian Harbaugh:
>
> As a result of the Flight Group meeting in Tennessee, Twin Commander has researched
and confirmed availability of Custom Kit (CK) 110 Fuel Low Level Warning
System.
>
> CK110 places a switch on the transmitter at the center fuel cell. The switch
will activate a warning light at 31 gallons of fuel remaining.
>
> If you are interested in the kit please contact your Twin Commander Authorized
Service Center. Twin is waiting on your response prior to ordering inventory.
We estimate the list price to be $4200.00.
> Your input is appreciated.
>
>
> Levan Tabidze
> Engineering Manager
> Twin Commander Aircraft, LLC.
> 1176 Telecom Drive, Creedmoor, NC 27522-8294
> Mobile: (919) 702-4445
> Office: (919) 956-4246
> Fax:(919) 682-3786
> ltabidze(at)twincommander.com
> www.TwinCommander.com
>
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Subject: Aero Commander 520 N52WD on ebay
From: "Peter Bichier" <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mar 03, 2014
Haha, Adam & JB check this add on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aero-Commander-520-Trades-or-finance-it-bring-anything-creative-/221384131224?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
Anyone recognizes the pilot? I bet you it's N527P I don't see "partial credit for
that"
looks like yours was in better condition
nos vemos,
Peter
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From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander 520 N52WD on ebay
Date: Mar 03, 2014
I found it once in OK. It had some wind damage to the rudder.
At that time it needed both carbs rebuilt and a complete annual. It had not flown
in years.
It looked if it could be fixed up.
I have some photos of it.
Tylor Hall
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 3, 2014, at 10:44 PM, Peter Bichier wrote:
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> Haha, Adam & JB check this add on ebay:
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> Anyone recognizes the pilot? I bet you it's N527P I don't see "partial credit
for that"
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Subject: Re: Aero Commander 520 N52WD on ebay
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2014
That shot is of captain JimBob flying N527P back from Detroit just when I bought
it in Feb 2011. I took that picture, but won't give that seller a hard time
about it.
I got $30K for mine, so this seems overpriced for a plane that hasn't flown in
years. I spent over $70K on 20VE and everything was in good shape when I sold
it.
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Adam
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Subject: Fwd: Commander spare parts
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 06, 2014
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Smiley <smilej1(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 1:06 pm
Subject: Commander spare parts
tcfg,
we recently sold our last Twin Commander. It was a model 560A-HC, 1956 vint
age. We also had a 500S, Shrike Commander, and sold it 2 years ago. We are
left with the spare parts for both of these planes and would like to sell w
hat we have. I am E mailing you the lists. Some prices are there, some not.
Look at the merchandise and let me know if you have an interest, either th
e lot or some particular area. I can be reached at 814-539-6563. Return an
e mail saying you received this for my knowledge.
Thank you.
Jeff Smiley
for LR Kimball
489 Airport Road
Johnstown, Pa. 15904
Note: Mr Kimball used to be a member of your organization. He has since pas
sed.
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From: <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Subject: Fwd: Commander spare parts
Date: Mar 06, 2014
Hi Jeff,
You may want to publish this onto the TCFG's facebook page, too, at
www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
There is an international audience there, too. It might help. Remember to
Like the page, it increases our audience.
Thanks
nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 11:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Commander spare parts
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Smiley <smilej1(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 1:06 pm
Subject: Commander spare parts
tcfg,
we recently sold our last Twin Commander. It was a model 560A-HC, 1956
vintage. We also had a 500S, Shrike Commander, and sold it 2 years ago. We
are left with the spare parts for both of these planes and would like to
sell what we have. I am E mailing you the lists. Some prices are there, some
not. Look at the merchandise and let me know if you have an interest, either
the lot or some particular area. I can be reached at 814-539-6563. Return an
e mail saying you received this for my knowledge.
Thank you.
Jeff Smiley
for LR Kimball
489 Airport Road
Johnstown, Pa. 15904
Note: Mr Kimball used to be a member of your organization. He has since
passed.
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Subject: Ferrying a 685 around the world.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2014
Here's a great tale of ferrying a 685 from US to Australia, going the long way
around by it's new Aussie owner. Pretty much everything that can go wrong does
go wrong. Thankfully, the owner is experienced in 685's and just chalks it up
to bad luck. Great read.
http://www.pprune.org/pacific-general-aviation-questions/534165-ferrying-aircraft-usa.html
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Subject: Re: Ferrying a 685 around the world.
From: Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 03, 2014
Great read , looking forward to reading the rest of the story . wingflyer1(at)aol.com
Sent from my iPhone
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around by it's new Aussie owner. Pretty much everything that can go wrong does
go wrong. Thankfully, the owner is experienced in 685's and just chalks it
up to bad luck. Great read.
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Subject: TCFG Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 04, 2014
Just a reminder to mark your calendars and put in your vacation request for
the annual TCFG Fly-in to be held September 18-21 at Colorado Springs, Col
orado, home to TCFG member, Dan Farmer. If you've never been to a Fly-in a
nd met Dan and his lovely wife, you absolutely must come and do so. You're
guaranteed to have fun.
Plus, Colorado Springs is a great place to visit with lots of exciting thin
gs to do and see so plan some extra time to take it all in. As arrangement
s are firmed up with hotel, etc. we will keep you posted.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
Twin Commander Flight Group
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: TCFG Fly-In
Date: Apr 04, 2014
Wow! Does this mean that we are staying at Farmer's house and that Teresa
(spelling?) is going to cook for us?
Moe Mills
N680RR
608F(p)
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Fri=2C 4 Apr 2014 10:59:59 -0400
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Date: Apr 05, 2014
Subject: Re: TCFG Fly-In
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
Thanks Jim & Sue - will set about booking the marathon tickets - great that
Dan and Teresa are hosting!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:29 AM, wrote:
> Just a reminder to mark your calendars and put in your vacation request
> for the annual TCFG Fly-in to be held September 18-21 at Colorado Springs,
> Colorado, home to TCFG member, Dan Farmer. If you've never been to a
> Fly-in and met Dan and his lovely wife, you absolutely must come and do
> so. You're guaranteed to have fun.
>
> Plus, Colorado Springs is a great place to visit with lots of exciting
> things to do and see so plan some extra time to take it all in. As
> arrangements are firmed up with hotel, etc. we will keep you posted.
>
> ~Jim & Sue Metzger
> Twin Commander Flight Group
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From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: TCFG Fly-In
Date: Apr 04, 2014
With the Farmers hosting, maybe this will be my year to jump back into the
fray. I've missed too many fly-ins since the great recession!
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Legg
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Thanks Jim & Sue - will set about booking the marathon tickets - great that
Dan and Teresa are hosting!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:29 AM, wrote:
Just a reminder to mark your calendars and put in your vacation request for
the annual TCFG Fly-in to be held September 18-21 at Colorado Springs,
Colorado, home to TCFG member, Dan Farmer. If you've never been to a Fly-in
and met Dan and his lovely wife, you absolutely must come and do so. You're
guaranteed to have fun.
Plus, Colorado Springs is a great place to visit with lots of exciting
things to do and see so plan some extra time to take it all in. As
arrangements are firmed up with hotel, etc. we will keep you posted.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
Twin Commander Flight Group
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Subject: Re: TCFG Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 04, 2014
We'd love to see you John!
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 3:33 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
With the Farmers hosting, maybe this will be my year to jump back into the
fray. I=99ve missed too many fly-ins since the great recession!
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Legg
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Thanks Jim & Sue - will set about booking the marathon tickets - great that
Dan and Teresa are hosting!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:29 AM, wrote:
Just a reminder to mark your calendars and put in your vacation request for
the annual TCFG Fly-in to be held September 18-21 at Colorado Springs, Col
orado, home to TCFG member, Dan Farmer. If you've never been to a Fly-in a
nd met Dan and his lovely wife, you absolutely must come and do so. You're
guaranteed to have fun.
Plus, Colorado Springs is a great place to visit with lots of exciting thin
gs to do and see so plan some extra time to take it all in. As arrangement
s are firmed up with hotel, etc. we will keep you posted.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
Twin Commander Flight Group
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: TCFG Fly-In
Date: Apr 06, 2014
JimBob and Dan,
The must see thing to do at Colorado Springs is The national Museum of
World War II Aviation.
http://www.worldwariiaviation.org/
They are doing amazing things to rebuild some very rate aircraft.
They have two P-38=92s being reconstructed from almost nothing.
They do have a meeting room and we may be able to meet there?
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
ACN IBO Member
401 Monte Alto PL NE
Albuquerque, NM 87123
505-247-3001
505-400-8373 Cell
tylorhall.acndirect.com
> We'd love to see you John!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To: commander-list
> Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 3:33 pm
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
>
> With the Farmers hosting, maybe this will be my year to jump back into
the fray. I=92ve missed too many fly-ins since the great recession!
>
> /John
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Legg
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:18 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
>
> Thanks Jim & Sue - will set about booking the marathon tickets - great
that Dan and Teresa are hosting!
>
> Cheers from Oz
>
> Russell
>
> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:29 AM, wrote:
> Just a reminder to mark your calendars and put in your vacation
request for the annual TCFG Fly-in to be held September 18-21 at
Colorado Springs, Colorado, home to TCFG member, Dan Farmer. If you've
never been to a Fly-in and met Dan and his lovely wife, you absolutely
must come and do so. You're guaranteed to have fun.
>
> Plus, Colorado Springs is a great place to visit with lots of exciting
things to do and see so plan some extra time to take it all in. As
arrangements are firmed up with hotel, etc. we will keep you posted.
>
> ~Jim & Sue Metzger
> Twin Commander Flight Group
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
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>
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Date: Apr 16, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Web Server Down for Repair (PLEASE READ)...
Dear Listers,
Late Tuesday night 4/15/2014, the Matronics Web server crashed due to a multi-disk
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The Matronics EMAIL server is NOT impacted by this issue. All normal Matronics
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From: Neal George <ngeorge(at)continentalmotors.aero>
Subject: Commander Sighting: N907AT
Date: Apr 17, 2014
Seen at AeroFreidrichshaffen...
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Subject: Commander Sighting: N95590
Date: Apr 17, 2014
Seen at AeroFreidrichshaffen...
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From: Neal George <ngeorge(at)continentalmotors.aero>
Subject: Commander Sighting: N690GF
Date: Apr 17, 2014
Gentlemen -
Stumbled upon these at AeroFreidrichshaffen last week...
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Subject: TCFG FLY IN UP DATE
From: Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 17, 2014
Just want to let everyone know that we are doing some early work on fly in. Tyler's
ridiculous idea of going to "The National Museum of WW II" has been set
aside. In keeping with POTUS ideas on encouraging world peace, harmony amongst
the subjects and a brighter utopia, it has been decided to attend Colorado Springs
famous Van Briggle pottery exhibition and factory, the Olympic ice dancing
competition and finally a symposium on "Growing High Potency Marijuana to
help reduce flying accidents at extreme altitudes".
I hope everyone is planning to attend and don't forget it is going to be BYOB (bring
your own bong).
If I get enough support for the WW II idea we may reconsider as it is not yet in
stone (pun intended).
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: TCFG FLY IN UP DATE
Date: Apr 17, 2014
Hi Dan,
Have you forgotten about the synchronised swimming event?
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: 17 April 2014 17:41
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG FLY IN UP DATE
Just want to let everyone know that we are doing some early work on fly in.
Tyler's ridiculous idea of going to "The National Museum of WW II" has been
set aside. In keeping with POTUS ideas on encouraging world peace, harmony
amongst the subjects and a brighter utopia, it has been decided to attend
Colorado Springs famous Van Briggle pottery exhibition and factory, the
Olympic ice dancing competition and finally a symposium on "Growing High
Potency Marijuana to help reduce flying accidents at extreme altitudes".
I hope everyone is planning to attend and don't forget it is going to be
BYOB (bring your own bong).
If I get enough support for the WW II idea we may reconsider as it is not
yet in stone (pun intended).
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander Sighting: N690GF
Date: Apr 17, 2014
Hello Neal,
Grateful thanks for taking the time and trouble to post those shots of
Commanders at Friedrichshafen.
Very much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
Aero Commander Specialist
Air-Britain (Historians) Ltd
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neal George
Sent: 17 April 2014 17:33
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Sighting: N690GF
Gentlemen -
Stumbled upon these at AeroFreidrichshaffen last week.
Neal George
cid:image001.png(at)01CF5A2D.85068960
Sales & Services Representative
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From: "Richard Thompson" <Richard(at)flycorp.com.au>
Subject: TCFG FLY IN UP DATE
Date: Apr 18, 2014
Dan, you think of everything.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Friday, 18 April 2014 2:41 AM
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG FLY IN UP DATE
Just want to let everyone know that we are doing some early work on fly in.
Tyler's ridiculous idea of going to "The National Museum of WW II" has been
set aside. In keeping with POTUS ideas on encouraging world peace, harmony
amongst the subjects and a brighter utopia, it has been decided to attend
Colorado Springs famous Van Briggle pottery exhibition and factory, the
Olympic ice dancing competition and finally a symposium on "Growing High
Potency Marijuana to help reduce flying accidents at extreme altitudes".
I hope everyone is planning to attend and don't forget it is going to be
BYOB (bring your own bong).
If I get enough support for the WW II idea we may reconsider as it is not
yet in stone (pun intended).
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Web Server Repaired and ONLINE! (PLEASE READ)
Dear Listers,
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RICHARD THOMPSON
Date: May 06, 2014
Richard Thompson please email Moe Mills moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com an emai
l address where I can contact you.
Cheers!
Moe
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Date: May 07, 2014
From: <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com>
Subject: Reduction Gear Problems
Who do you recommend for solving problems with the reduction gear on a GO-480?
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 07, 2014
Subject: Re: Reduction Gear Problems
From: Bill Leff <BillLeff1(at)aol.com>
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Subject: Re: Reduction Gear Problems
From: "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
Date: May 07, 2014
Central Cylinder in Omaha, Nebraska.
http://www.centralcylinder.com/
Keith S Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam Lead Rep, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: bkirkwoo <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com>
Sent: Wed, May 7, 2014 5:31 am
Subject: Commander-List: Reduction Gear Problems
Who do you recommend for solving problems with the reduction gear on a GO-4
80?
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Date: May 08, 2014
From: <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Reduction Gear Problems
The problem is that the propeller, after the oil is good and warmed up, wants to
go to feather at any RPM less than 1500-1800. Oil pressure is good at the back
of the engine, have tried different governors, have changed props.
---- Bill Leff wrote:
> Central Cylinder Omaha. What is the problem?
Bill Leff
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com wrote:
>
>Who do you recommend for solving problems with the reduction gear on a GO-480?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Reduction Gear Problems
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: May 08, 2014
Sounds like the featherlocks on the propeller bulkhead. There are three sp
ring loaded locks or "stops" to keep the propeller from going onto feather
at low RPM. Remove the spinner dome and you will see them. Check to make
certain they are extending. If they are it is the seal between the cranksh
aft and the gearbox. Was the gearbox recently changed??
-----Original Message-----
From: bkirkwoo <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com>
Sent: Thu, May 8, 2014 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Reduction Gear Problems
The problem is that the propeller, after the oil is good and warmed up, wan
ts to
go to feather at any RPM less than 1500-1800. Oil pressure is good at the b
ack
of the engine, have tried different governors, have changed props.
---- Bill Leff wrote:
> Central Cylinder Omaha. What is the problem?
Bill Leff
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com wrote:
>
>Who do you recommend for solving problems with the reduction gear on a GO-
480?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Date: May 11, 2014
Subject: Re: Reduction Gear Problems
Your problem is the oil transfer rings are worn out in the nose case. This
is a common problem. The seal rings on the oil transfer assembly and the
oil transfer sleeve are leaking too much oil to properly transfer oil from
the nose case to the prop shaft to work the propeller.
The nose case can be removed and sent out for overhaul or repair without
removing the engine. I assume that the engine has about 1200-1400 hours on
it.
Central Cylinder is the best place to send it. There is a shop at Opa-Locka
Florida
If you have questions call me
Bill Leff
937-369-3334
In a message dated 5/8/2014 2:49:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com writes:
--> Commander-List message posted by:
The problem is that the propeller, after the oil is good and warmed up,
wants to go to feather at any RPM less than 1500-1800. Oil pressure is good
at the back of the engine, have tried different governors, have changed
props.
---- Bill Leff wrote:
> Central Cylinder Omaha. What is the problem?
Bill Leff
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by:
>
>Who do you recommend for solving problems with the reduction gear on a
GO-480?
>
>
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From: joel carter <joel.carter131(at)GMAIL.COM>
Subject: commander annuals
Date: May 16, 2014
I'm a commander enthusiast looking for answers.
1) What would be a ballpark cost for a typical no squawk or low squawk annual
on a well maintained straight 500 in $ and hours?
2) I read somewhere that to avoid hydraulic problems all hoses, fittings, etc should
be replaced every 10 years at a cost of $10k. True?
3) How much of a problem have those spar cap AD's been? It seems commanders are
disappearing from the registry. Any relation to concerns about the wing?
That's all for now. Thanks,
Joel
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Subject: Re: commander annuals
From: Don Falik <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: May 16, 2014
1. My last 2 annuals on my 500S (1970 model) were $21,000.00 and $14,000.00 and
that was I the 3rd. and 4th. year of my well cared for ownership.
2. It is recommended to change the hydraulic hoses every 5 years. I would expect
the cost to be $5000.00-7,000.00 based on the cost the last time I did min
which was about 5 years ago.
3. On my 500S the spar cap AD was more of a nuisance and cost penalty. The cost
is having to dismantle the interior ceiling to gain access to the spar. Then
you have to find someone certified to do the procedure which doesn't take much
time.
I suspect that the disappearance of Commanders from the registry may have more
to do with parts accessibility for the older models especially related to the
geared engines.
This is from an ex-Commander owner (4 years and 1000 hours). It was the most fantastic
airplane to fly but the costs took a lot of the pleasure out of it.
I made the mistake of putting a spread sheet to it and and the hourly cost was
in the $550.00/hr. range. That is an awful lot for a hobby and you learn the
true definition of an addiction.
I now fly a pristine Geronimo. It is more than half the cost and only 1/3 less
performance. The cost differential is just a guess as I refuse to accurately
calculate it.
I hope I have been impartially helpful. If $$ was not an issue at all, I probably
would still be flying the Commander.
The other issue was where to park it. My hanger that I had for a single engine
Commander 114 only had a 10 foot door that obviously didn't accommodate a plane
with a 14.5 foot tail.
Don
Sent from my iPad
> On May 16, 2014, at 8:13 PM, joel carter wrote:
>
>
> I'm a commander enthusiast looking for answers.
>
> 1) What would be a ballpark cost for a typical no squawk or low squawk annual
on a well maintained straight 500 in $ and hours?
>
> 2) I read somewhere that to avoid hydraulic problems all hoses, fittings, etc
should be replaced every 10 years at a cost of $10k. True?
>
> 3) How much of a problem have those spar cap AD's been? It seems commanders are
disappearing from the registry. Any relation to concerns about the wing?
>
> That's all for now. Thanks,
> Joel
>
>
>
>
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From: "Pat Hosmann, Jr." <patjr(at)scross.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/19/14
Date: May 20, 2014
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Pat Hosmann, Jr.
Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
Managing Partner
patjr(at)scross.com | www.scross.com
1120 N.W. 51st Court
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
_______________________________
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Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/20/14
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Pat Hosmann, Jr.
Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
Managing Partner
patjr(at)scross.com | www.scross.com
1120 N.W. 51st Court
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
_______________________________
17718 Kings Point Drive, Suite A
Cornelius, NC 28031 USA
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> Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
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> 1120 N.W. 51st Court
> Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
> Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
> Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
> _______________________________
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> Cornelius, NC 28031 USA
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Subject: AC500 down in Arizona.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: May 23, 2014
Wreck is bad, but thankfully both are alive. Hoping for full recovery.
http://www.eacourier.com/news/crash-at-fort-huachuca-airport-injures/article_22e64fd8-df00-11e3-897b-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm
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Subject: Re: commander annuals
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: May 23, 2014
I had one of the old geared ones, the 520. Loved the plane, but like Don it ultimately
became a problem servicing stuff and finding parts. Plus I needed an all
weather tourer. The 500's are a lot better as they have "normal" systems. My
cheapest annual was $7000, my most expensive well over $20K.
I miss my Commander, I have to say. Not many twins you can fly into short and unpaved
fields with. If I had the money I'd get a 500 and have two planes - one
for travel and one Commander for more bush flying/camping.
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Subject: Re: commander annuals
From: joel carter <joel.carter131(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: May 23, 2014
Thanks Adam, and thanks Don. I got another response from someone with an address
of yourtcfg.com, but it was in HTML format and I couldn't read it. Any ideas?
Joel
On May 23, 2014, at 3:22 PM, stratobee wrote:
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> I had one of the old geared ones, the 520. Loved the plane, but like Don it ultimately
became a problem servicing stuff and finding parts. Plus I needed an
all weather tourer. The 500's are a lot better as they have "normal" systems.
My cheapest annual was $7000, my most expensive well over $20K.
>
> I miss my Commander, I have to say. Not many twins you can fly into short and
unpaved fields with. If I had the money I'd get a 500 and have two planes - one
for travel and one Commander for more bush flying/camping.
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Subject: Re: commander annuals
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: May 23, 2014
That's captain JimBob. If you go in at this forum list it will appear as a separate
entry.
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From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: AC500 down in Arizona.
Date: May 23, 2014
Note one set of blades not damadged.
Tom680FLP
----- Original Message -----
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: AC500 down in Arizona.
>
> Wreck is bad, but thankfully both are alive. Hoping for full recovery.
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> ----1. 12:16 PM - AC500 down in Arizona. -(stratobee)
> ----2. 12:22 PM - Re: commander annuals -(stratobee)
> ----3. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: commander annuals -(joel carter)
> ----4. 01:16 PM - Re: commander annuals -(stratobee)
> ----5. 03:43 PM - Re: AC500 down in Arizona. -(Tom Fisher)
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> Subject: Commander-List: AC500 down in Arizona.
> From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
>
>
> Wreck is bad, but thankfully both are alive. Hoping for full recovery.
>
>
http://www.eacourier.com/news/crash-at-fort-huachuca-airport-injures/artic
le_22e64fd8-df00-11e3-897b-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm
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> Adam
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> Subject: Commander-List: Re: commander annuals
> From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
>
>
> I had one of the old geared ones, the 520. Loved the plane, but like
Don it ultimately
> became a problem servicing stuff and finding parts. Plus I needed an
all
> weather tourer. The 500's are a lot better as they have "normal"
systems. My
> cheapest annual was $7000, my most expensive well over $20K.
>
> I miss my Commander, I have to say. Not many twins you can fly into
short and unpaved
> fields with. If I had the money I'd get a 500 and have two planes -
one
> for travel and one Commander for more bush flying/camping.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423672#423672
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> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: commander annuals
> From: joel carter <joel.carter131(at)GMAIL.COM>
>
>
> Thanks Adam, and thanks Don. I got another response from someone with
an address
> of yourtcfg.com, but it was in HTML format and I couldn't read it. Any
ideas?
>
> Joel
> On May 23, 2014, at 3:22 PM, stratobee wrote:
>
>
> I had one of the old geared ones, the 520. Loved the plane, but like
Don it ultimately
> became a problem servicing stuff and finding parts. Plus I needed an
> all weather tourer. The 500's are a lot better as they have "normal"
systems.
> My cheapest annual was $7000, my most expensive well over $20K.
>
> I miss my Commander, I have to say. Not many twins you can fly into
short and
> unpaved fields with. If I had the money I'd get a 500 and have two
planes - one
> for travel and one Commander for more bush flying/camping.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423672#423672
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> ________________________________ -Message 4
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> Subject: Commander-List: Re: commander annuals
> From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
>
>
> That's captain JimBob. If you go in at this forum list it will appear
as a separate
> entry.
>
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> Adam
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> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC500 down in Arizona.
>
>
> Note one set of blades not damadged.
> Tom680FLP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:16 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: AC500 down in Arizona.
>
>
>
> Wreck is bad, but thankfully both are alive. Hoping for full recovery.
>
>
http://www.eacourier.com/news/crash-at-fort-huachuca-airport-injures/artic
le_22e64fd8-df00-11e3-897b-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm
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Subject: Re: AC500 down in Arizona.
From: Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 24, 2014
Was it a straight 500?
Sent from my iPad
> On May 23, 2014, at 3:18 PM, "stratobee" wrote:
>
>
> Wreck is bad, but thankfully both are alive. Hoping for full recovery.
>
> http://www.eacourier.com/news/crash-at-fort-huachuca-airport-injures/article_22e64fd8-df00-11e3-897b-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm
>
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Subject: Re: AC500 down in Arizona.
From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Date: May 24, 2014
According to our website, it is a 560 with the o-540 Lyc 250 hp engine, direct
drive engine.
The follow on 500A and 500B models were the flat nacelle style and different engines.
Full details on aerocommander.com
Tylor Hall
Sent from my iPad
> On May 24, 2014, at 4:22 AM, Roland Gilliam wrote:
>
>
> Was it a straight 500?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 23, 2014, at 3:18 PM, "stratobee" wrote:
>>
>>
>> Wreck is bad, but thankfully both are alive. Hoping for full recovery.
>>
>> http://www.eacourier.com/news/crash-at-fort-huachuca-airport-injures/article_22e64fd8-df00-11e3-897b-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm
>>
>> --------
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423670#423670
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Subject: Re: AC500 down in Arizona.
From: Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 24, 2014
Thanks Tyler.
I have a 500 myself N6291B.
Roland Gilliam
Sent from my iPad
> On May 24, 2014, at 9:33 AM, "Tylor Hall" wrote:
>
>
> According to our website, it is a 560 with the o-540 Lyc 250 hp engine, direct
drive engine.
> The follow on 500A and 500B models were the flat nacelle style and different
engines.
> Full details on aerocommander.com
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 24, 2014, at 4:22 AM, Roland Gilliam wrote:
>>
>>
>> Was it a straight 500?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On May 23, 2014, at 3:18 PM, "stratobee" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Wreck is bad, but thankfully both are alive. Hoping for full recovery.
>>>
>>> http://www.eacourier.com/news/crash-at-fort-huachuca-airport-injures/article_22e64fd8-df00-11e3-897b-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423670#423670
>
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From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: AC500 down in Arizona.
Date: May 24, 2014
Ron,
I miss read your question. My mistake.
I know the Company and they run 500B and S for the forest service. From the photos,
it was a flat nacelle 500B or S.
They have very nice aircraft that are well equipped.
They lost a 690 not too long ago in AZ.
>From the photo, the left engine has bent props and the right is not bent?
The article does not give the N number.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
ACN IBO Member
401 Monte Alto PL NE
Albuquerque, NM 87123
505-247-3001
505-400-8373 Cell
tylorhall.acndirect.com
On May 24, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Tylor Hall wrote:
>
> According to our website, it is a 560 with the o-540 Lyc 250 hp engine, direct
drive engine.
> The follow on 500A and 500B models were the flat nacelle style and different
engines.
> Full details on aerocommander.com
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 24, 2014, at 4:22 AM, Roland Gilliam wrote:
>>
>>
>> Was it a straight 500?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On May 23, 2014, at 3:18 PM, "stratobee" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Wreck is bad, but thankfully both are alive. Hoping for full recovery.
>>>
>>> http://www.eacourier.com/news/crash-at-fort-huachuca-airport-injures/article_22e64fd8-df00-11e3-897b-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423670#423670
>>
>>
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Subject: Re: AC500 down in Arizona.
From: joel carter <joel.carter131(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: May 24, 2014
Besides the O-540 engine, the straight 500 has a longer fuselage, bigger cabin,
longer wing, and more fuel capacity than a 560.
joel
On May 24, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Roland Gilliam wrote:
>
> Thanks Tyler.
> I have a 500 myself N6291B.
>
> Roland Gilliam
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 24, 2014, at 9:33 AM, "Tylor Hall" wrote:
>>
>>
>> According to our website, it is a 560 with the o-540 Lyc 250 hp engine, direct
drive engine.
>> The follow on 500A and 500B models were the flat nacelle style and different
engines.
>> Full details on aerocommander.com
>> Tylor Hall
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On May 24, 2014, at 4:22 AM, Roland Gilliam wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Was it a straight 500?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On May 23, 2014, at 3:18 PM, "stratobee" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wreck is bad, but thankfully both are alive. Hoping for full recovery.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eacourier.com/news/crash-at-fort-huachuca-airport-injures/article_22e64fd8-df00-11e3-897b-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423670#423670
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
>
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: AC500 down in Arizona.
Date: May 24, 2014
Hello All,
It was N40TC, a 500S, s/n 3091.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 24 May 2014 15:28
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC500 down in Arizona.
Ron,
I miss read your question. My mistake.
I know the Company and they run 500B and S for the forest service. From
the photos, it was a flat nacelle 500B or S.
They have very nice aircraft that are well equipped.
They lost a 690 not too long ago in AZ.
>From the photo, the left engine has bent props and the right is not bent?
The article does not give the N number.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
ACN IBO Member
401 Monte Alto PL NE
Albuquerque, NM 87123
505-247-3001
505-400-8373 Cell
tylorhall.acndirect.com
On May 24, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Tylor Hall wrote:
According to our website, it is a 560 with the o-540 Lyc 250 hp engine,
direct drive engine.
The follow on 500A and 500B models were the flat nacelle style and
different engines.
Full details on aerocommander.com
Tylor Hall
Sent from my iPad
On May 24, 2014, at 4:22 AM, Roland Gilliam wrote:
Was it a straight 500?
Sent from my iPad
On May 23, 2014, at 3:18 PM, "stratobee" wrote:
Wreck is bad, but thankfully both are alive. Hoping for full recovery.
http://www.eacourier.com/news/crash-at-fort-huachuca-airport-injures/articl
e_22e64fd8-df00-11e3-897b-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm
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Subject: Colorado Springs Flyin
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: May 27, 2014
Check out all of the fun stuff to do in Colorado Springs. You'll definitel
y want to come early or stay after to explore a few of these options. The
hotel has agreed to extend the group rate a few days before and a few days
after as well (info on booking to be sent later this week).
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g33364-Activities-Colorado_Springs_E
l_Paso_County_Colorado.html.
Can't wait to see you all there!!
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Subject: Fly-In Hotel
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 02, 2014
Here's the information for making your hotel reservations for the fly-in. B
e sure to book early.
Twin Commander Flight Group
Based on Availability 9/18/14 - 9/21/14
Executive King Studio Suite at $96.00
One Bedroom Suite at $96.00
Deluxe Double Studio Suite at $96.00
Make your reservation today by visiting
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or call 719-268-9990 ask for Group Code: TCFG
=EF=82=B7 Complimentary Full Hot Breakfast Buffet daily featuring cook to o
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=EF=82=B7 On-site Fitness Center
Please book your room by August 28, 2014.
If you have additional questions about your group or would like to book dat
es outside your group block, please call the Sales Department at 719-268-99
90 x706 and ask for Hui Kim, Sales Manager.
5805 Delmonico Drive, Colorado Springs, CO 80919 719-268-9990
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 02, 2014
Check out all of the fun stuff to do in Colorado Springs. You'll definitel
y want to come early or stay after to explore a few of these options. The
hotel has agreed to extend the group rate a few days before and a few days
after as well (info on booking to be sent later this week).
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g33364-Activities-Colorado_Springs_E
l_Paso_County_Colorado.html.
Can't wait to see you all there!!
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 02, 2014
Subject:
From: "Moe Mills" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Hi
http://www.kester.in/break.php?ppddcnuym2201gbng
moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
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Subject: Fly-In Hotel Information
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 03, 2014
Here's the information for making your hotel reservations for the fly-in. B
e sure to book early.
Twin Commander Flight Group
Based on Availability 9/18/14 - 9/21/14
Executive King Studio Suite at $96.00
One Bedroom Suite at $96.00
Deluxe Double Studio Suite at $96.00
Make your reservation today by visiting
http://coloradosprings.house.hyatt.com/en/hotel/home.html?corp_id=g-TCFG
or call 719-268-9990 ask for Group Code: TCFG
=EF=82=B7 Complimentary Full Hot Breakfast Buffet daily featuring cook to o
rder omelet station
=EF=82=B7 Complimentary Evening Social Mon-Thurs 5:30pm-7pm including wine,
beer soft drinks, soup, salad and light dinner faire
=EF=82=B7 Full Kitchen in every Suite
=EF=82=B7 Outdoor Seasonal Pool & Jacuzzi
=EF=82=B7 Complimentary Internet Access and parking
=EF=82=B7 Laundry Facility & Dry Cleaning Service
=EF=82=B7 On-site Fitness Center
Please book your room by August 28, 2014.
If you have additional questions about your group or would like to book dat
es outside your group block, please call the Sales Department at 719-268-99
90 x706 and ask for Hui Kim, Sales Manager.
5805 Delmonico Drive, Colorado Springs, CO 80919 719-268-9990
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fly-In Hotel Information
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 03, 2014
Here's the information for making your hotel reservations for the fly-in. B
e sure to book early.
Twin Commander Flight Group
Based on Availability 9/18/14 - 9/21/14
Executive King Studio Suite at $96.00
One Bedroom Suite at $96.00
Deluxe Double Studio Suite at $96.00
Make your reservation today by visiting
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Subject: fly-in
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 04, 2014
N222JS is getting a wax job in preparation for the Fly-In. Hope you all ca
n join us!!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: fly-in
Date: Jun 04, 2014
What a coincidence!!
I will be too ;-)
See you there.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 04 June 2014 17:58
Subject: Commander-List: fly-in
N222JS is getting a wax job in preparation for the Fly-In. Hope you all
can join us!!
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Subject: Re: fly-in
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 09, 2014
A WAX job????!!!!!!
Sent from my HTC One on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network
----- Reply message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: fly-in
Date: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 2:54 PM
What a coincidence!!
I will be too ;-)
See you there.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 04 June 2014 17:58
Subject: Commander-List: fly-in
N222JS is getting a wax job in preparation for the Fly-In. Hope you all ca
n join us!!
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: fly-in
Date: Jun 10, 2014
Well, yes!!!
The furniture doesn't polish itself ;-)
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 09 June 2014 23:30
Subject: Re: Commander-List: fly-in
A WAX job????!!!!!!
Sent from my HTC One on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network
----- Reply message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: fly-in
Date: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 2:54 PM
What a coincidence!!
I will be too ;-)
See you there.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 04 June 2014 17:58
Subject: Commander-List: fly-in
N222JS is getting a wax job in preparation for the Fly-In. Hope you all
can join us!!
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List%22%3ehttp://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
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forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22%3ehttp:/www.matronics.com/contrib
ution> ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: Re: It is time...
From: "Jameyson72" <lcws1972(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Jun 24, 2014
[quote="John Vormbaum"]Wow, I guess us agnostics, atheists, Buddhist and absurdists
are completely doomed. 9,000,000 Muslims in America? That's 2.8%. Yeah...perhaps
we should restart the Crusades. After all, it did such wonderful things
for all parties the first time around. Plus, things are going great in Iraq
& Afghanistan. Why not expand? That's sarcasm, by the way.
The beauty of America is that immigrants are only what they are for the original
generation. Fashion clothing, the Mall, and capitalism have a wonderful way
of making all their children American. It becomes very very hard to convince
them that they're better off shrugging off western culture & moving back to
the sandbox and living in stone-age conditions. Those kids would probably die
if they weren't within walking distance of a Starbucks.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: It is time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU)
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> [b]
Ironically, those who speak out against religions different than their own are
usually the first to scream "bloody murder" when someone else bashes their religious
beliefs. Gotta love the one-sided tolerance! lol
--------
Jameyson's Blog - Jameyson explores the body - mind - spirit connection.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425389#425389
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From: White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: It is time...
Date: Jun 24, 2014
See how that worked in France... Ok, try the UK, oops... Netherlands, ouch....
Ain't no such thing as integration.
>From my iPhone!
> On Jun 24, 2014, at 2:23 PM, "Jameyson72" wrote:
>
>
> [quote="John Vormbaum"]Wow, I guess us agnostics, atheists, Buddhist and absurdists
are completely doomed. 9,000,000 Muslims in America? That's 2.8%. Yeah...perhaps
we should restart the Crusades. After all, it did such wonderful
things for all parties the first time around. Plus, things are going great in
Iraq & Afghanistan. Why not expand? That's sarcasm, by the way.
>
> The beauty of America is that immigrants are only what they are for the original
generation. Fashion clothing, the Mall, and capitalism have a wonderful
way of making all their children American. It becomes very very hard to convince
them that they're better off shrugging off western culture & moving back
to the sandbox and living in stone-age conditions. Those kids would probably
die if they weren't within walking distance of a Starbucks.
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:47 PM
> To: 'art la combe'
> Subject: It is time...
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU)
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>> [b]
>
> Ironically, those who speak out against religions different than their own are
usually the first to scream "bloody murder" when someone else bashes their religious
beliefs. Gotta love the one-sided tolerance! lol
>
> --------
> Jameyson's Blog - Jameyson explores the body - mind - spirit connection.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425389#425389
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Jun 30, 2014
From: <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Reduction Gear Problems
I want to thank everyone who responded to my question. I replaced the reduction
gear with what I hoped would be a serviceable unit and the problem went away.
Thanks to everyone!
---- BillLeff1(at)aol.com wrote:
> Your problem is the oil transfer rings are worn out in the nose case. This
> is a common problem. The seal rings on the oil transfer assembly and the
> oil transfer sleeve are leaking too much oil to properly transfer oil from
> the nose case to the prop shaft to work the propeller.
>
> The nose case can be removed and sent out for overhaul or repair without
> removing the engine. I assume that the engine has about 1200-1400 hours on
> it.
>
> Central Cylinder is the best place to send it. There is a shop at Opa-Locka
> Florida
>
> If you have questions call me
>
> Bill Leff
> 937-369-3334
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/8/2014 2:49:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com writes:
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by:
>
> The problem is that the propeller, after the oil is good and warmed up,
> wants to go to feather at any RPM less than 1500-1800. Oil pressure is good
> at the back of the engine, have tried different governors, have changed
> props.
>
> ---- Bill Leff wrote:
> > Central Cylinder Omaha. What is the problem?
>
> Bill Leff
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
> bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com wrote:
>
> >--> Commander-List message posted by:
> >
> >Who do you recommend for solving problems with the reduction gear on a
> GO-480?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: joel carter <joel.carter131(at)GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Crew Door Safety
Date: Jun 30, 2014
I know this must be a dumb question, but is there a foolproof safety device to
prevent starting the left engine with the crew door ajar and to prevent opening
the door with the engine turning?
Thanks,
Joel
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Crew Door Safety
From: "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2014
Joel,
The Turbo Commanders have an electric lock that must be over-ridden if the
engine is running.
The piston models depend on common sense. If you don't have a supply of th
at, you can subscribe to a Safety Management System, become IS-BAO 9000 cer
tified and have a big fat manual with a specific procedure written to preve
nt yourself from opening the crew door with the engine running.
Either method will work.
Keith S Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam Lead Rep, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: joel carter <joel.carter131(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 30, 2014 2:53 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Crew Door Safety
>
I know this must be a dumb question, but is there a foolproof safety device
to
prevent starting the left engine with the crew door ajar and to prevent ope
ning
the door with the engine turning?
Thanks,
Joel
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Crew Door Safety
From: "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2014
In the interest of accuracy, the electric door lock is active when the Mas
ter Switch is on on the Turbo Commanders and the AC685. I know Sir Barry i
s watching ...
Keith S Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S. Gordon <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 30, 2014 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Crew Door Safety
Joel,
The Turbo Commanders have an electric lock that must be over-ridden if the
engine is running.
The piston models depend on common sense. If you don't have a supply of th
at, you can subscribe to a Safety Management System, become IS-BAO 9000 cer
tified and have a big fat manual with a specific procedure written to preve
nt yourself from opening the crew door with the engine running.
Either method will work.
Keith S Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam Lead Rep, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: joel carter <joel.carter131(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 30, 2014 2:53 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Crew Door Safety
>
I know this must be a dumb question, but is there a foolproof safety device
to
prevent starting the left engine with the crew door ajar and to prevent ope
ning
the door with the engine turning?
Thanks,
Joel
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Crew Door Safety
Date: Jun 30, 2014
Joel=2C
To the best of my knowledge such a system does not exist. My plane has a p
lackard by the door window which advises that only the pilot is allowed to
open=2C shut=2C or lock the door.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
> From: joel.carter131(at)gmail.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Crew Door Safety
> Date: Mon=2C 30 Jun 2014 17:52:46 -0400
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
om>
>
> I know this must be a dumb question=2C but is there a foolproof safety de
vice to prevent starting the left engine with the crew door ajar and to pre
vent opening the door with the engine turning?
>
> Thanks=2C
> Joel
>
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>
>
>
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Subject: AC 690D at KLSN
From: "Peter Bichier" <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Jun 30, 2014
Hi Barry & the rest of the gang,
I was on business in KMAE flying back home to KWVI last Thursday June 26 when I
noticed a suspicious high winger on the ramp in Los Baos KLSN. I could not resist
The plane was on the ramp, door open, pilot inside cooling off inside the FBO waiting
for passengers.
Sorry I never took the whole N601WT on the picture, but at least I remember taking
the tag!
Hope to see you all in Co. Springs and sure hope the waxing still shows on triple
2 (as for the Sir's waxing no comment!)
See Ya!
PS. The other high winger on the back is my ride
--------
560 Dreamer
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From: "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Crew Door Safety
Date: Jul 01, 2014
Keith,
Absolutely love your reply.
As we know, all too well, various "advanced" NAAs such as FAA and our CASA
mandate the second option.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Crew Door Safety
Joel,
The Turbo Commanders have an electric lock that must be over-ridden if the
engine is running.
The piston models depend on common sense. If you don't have a supply of
that, you can subscribe to a Safety Management System, become IS-BAO 9000
certified and have a big fat manual with a specific procedure written to
prevent yourself from opening the crew door with the engine running.
Either method will work.
Keith S Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam Lead Rep, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: joel carter <joel.carter131(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 30, 2014 2:53 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Crew Door Safety
I know this must be a dumb question, but is there a foolproof safety device
to
prevent starting the left engine with the crew door ajar and to prevent
opening
the door with the engine turning?
Thanks,
Joel
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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Subject: Re: Crew Door Safety
From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2014
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: off topic - but fun
Date: Jul 02, 2014
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3w_v0k57KhE
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 03, 2014
Subject: Re: off topic - but fun
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (MacPro13)" <deneals(at)deneals.com>
This was GREAT!! Thanks, Bob for sharing!
--
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 at 7:56 PM
Subject: Commander-List: off topic - but fun
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3w_v0k57KhE
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: off topic - but fun
Date: Jul 03, 2014
Fabulous video..!! Fell in love with Beavers when I was 12 spending a
summer in Newfoundland, Canada at my dad's mining camp. Only way in and out
was in the Beaver or DC3 (fell in love with DC3s too). Finally got a ride
in a Kenmore Air Beaver while doing a project in the San Juan Islands.
Pilot was a 13 year old cute gal (well.actually she was in her 20s, just
looked 13). Also flew my Commander 680F up to the San Juan's for more
projects. Beavers and Commanders - can't get any better than that.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
N6253X / 680F
logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steele, Bob
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 5:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: off topic - but fun
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3w_v0k57KhE
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kirk Babb <kirk.b.babb(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 6263B (680E)
Date: Jul 03, 2014
New to the list, really like the Twin Commanders, joined the TCFG and always
browse the "for sale" ads. There is a project 690E on trade-a-plane. Anyone
know the history behind this plane (S/N 680E-669-1)? This plane has been
available for a very long time so what's the scoop?
Kirk
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nicoCSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: off topic - but fun
Date: Jul 03, 2014
I took the liberty of publishing the Beaver video on the Commander facebook
page at: www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
Randy, if you wish, post this account of your Beaver encounters there, too.
Thanks
nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 7:11 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: off topic - but fun
Fabulous video..!! Fell in love with Beavers when I was 12 spending a
summer in Newfoundland, Canada at my dad's mining camp. Only way in and out
was in the Beaver or DC3 (fell in love with DC3s too). Finally got a ride
in a Kenmore Air Beaver while doing a project in the San Juan Islands.
Pilot was a 13 year old cute gal (well.actually she was in her 20s, just
looked 13). Also flew my Commander 680F up to the San Juan's for more
projects. Beavers and Commanders - can't get any better than that.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
N6253X / 680F
logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steele, Bob
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 5:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: off topic - but fun
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3w_v0k57KhE
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: very good canopy control - and no fear
Date: Jul 07, 2014
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
https://www.youtube.com/embed/L62faWn-sa8
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: 6263B (680E)
Date: Jul 09, 2014
Hello Kirk,
N6263B is s/n 680E-669-11 and was first Certificated in October 1958.
For some 30 years, March 1977 to July 2007, it was owned by Aero-Metric
Inc., of Sheboygan, Wisconsin.
It was used for aerial survey work and had a Zeiss, then a Jena, camera
installed.
It was sold to the current Registered owner, CBM Holdings II LLC., of
Harvard, Illinois.
They were previously located in Milwakee, Wisconsin so I presume they
placed the advert in Trade-A-Plane.
I'm not qualified to give an opinion on whether it will be a good purchase.
But as it was 30 years with one owner who would probably have looked after
it well, it might be worth further investigation?
Aero-Metric have operated a number of Commanders over the years and still
have a 500S Shrike.
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Babb
Sent: 03 July 2014 15:49
Subject: Commander-List: 6263B (680E)
New to the list, really like the Twin Commanders, joined the TCFG and
always browse the "for sale" ads. There is a project 690E on trade-a-plane.
Anyone know the history behind this plane (S/N 680E-669-1)? This plane has
been available for a very long time so what's the scoop?
Kirk
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kirk Babb <kirk.b.babb(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: 6263B (680E)
Date: Jul 09, 2014
Thanks Barry.
________________________________
From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: =8E7/=8E9/=8E2014 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 6263B (680E)
Hello Kirk=2C
N6263B is s/n 680E-669-11 and was first Certificated in October 1958.
For some 30 years=2C March 1977 to July 2007=2C it was owned by Aero-Metric
Inc.=2C of Sheboygan=2C Wisconsin.
It was used for aerial survey work and had a Zeiss=2C then a Jena=2C camera
installed.
It was sold to the current Registered owner=2C CBM Holdings II LLC.=2C of
Harvard=2C Illinois.
They were previously located in Milwakee=2C Wisconsin so I presume they
placed the advert in Trade-A-Plane.
I'm not qualified to give an opinion on whether it will be a good purchase.
But as it was 30 years with one owner who would probably have looked after
it well=2C it might be worth further investigation?
Aero-Metric have operated a number of Commanders over the years and still
have a 500S Shrike.
Best Regards=2C
Barry Collman
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Babb
Sent: 03 July 2014 15:49
Subject: Commander-List: 6263B (680E)
New to the list=2C really like the Twin Commanders=2C joined the TCFG and
always browse the "for sale" ads. There is a project 690E on trade-a-plane.
Anyone know the history behind this plane (S/N 680E-669-1)? This plane has
been available for a very long time so what's the scoop?
Kirk
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kirk 690
From: Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2014
Kirk,
Come join us for the annual get together in Colorado Springs in Sept, where you
can talk to some very knowledgable Commander folks and some , like me, not so
......let's just say the voltage is getting a little low.
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 10, 2014
Information and the registration form for the fly-in can be found on our we
bsite: www.twincommander.org. If you prefer to receive it via the postal
service, let us know via e-mail at yourtcfg(at)aol.com.
Looking forward to seeing you in Colorado Springs.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: FLYING SOFT WARE
Date: Jul 14, 2014
Hi Fellow Commander Drivers=2C
For many years I have used Flitesoft software for my flight planning=2C the
y have recently gone out of business and therefore I am seeking a replaceme
nt=2C and would appreciate any suggestions.
Here is my situation:
No longer IFR current=2C and therefore only fly VFR
Fly below 18=2C000 MSL ...mostly 16=2C500 to 17=2C500
Fly mostly in the Southwest US (NM=2C AZ=2C TX=2C CA=2CCO=2CNV)
Still look at weather maps on my computer=2C get a personal FSS weather br
iefing before flying=2C so the interface with weather forecasts is not impo
rtant to me.
Thanks!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FLYING SOFT WARE
Date: Jul 14, 2014
ForeFlight on the iPad.
=46rom my iPhone!
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Moe Mills wrote
:
>
> Hi Fellow Commander Drivers,
>
> For many years I have used Flitesoft software for my flight planning, they
have recently gone out of business and therefore I am seeking a replacement
, and would appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Here is my situation:
>
> No longer IFR current, and therefore only fly VFR
> Fly below 18,000 MSL ...mostly 16,500 to 17,500
> Fly mostly in the Southwest US (NM, AZ, TX, CA,CO,NV)
> Still look at weather maps on my computer, get a personal FSS weather bri
efing before flying, so the interface with weather forecasts is not importan
t to me.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "William Boelte" <n55bz(at)cox.net>
Subject: FLYING SOFT WARE
Date: Jul 14, 2014
I use Foreflight. I have it on my IPad and find it very useful.
Kindest regards,
Bill
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
White_rhino_ps
Sent: Monday, 14 July, 2014 21:20
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYING SOFT WARE
ForeFlight on the iPad.
>From my iPhone!
On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Moe Mills
wrote:
Hi Fellow Commander Drivers,
For many years I have used Flitesoft software for my flight planning,
they have recently gone out of business and therefore I am seeking a
replacement, and would appreciate any suggestions.
Here is my situation:
No longer IFR current, and therefore only fly VFR
Fly below 18,000 MSL ...mostly 16,500 to 17,500
Fly mostly in the Southwest US (NM, AZ, TX, CA,CO,NV)
Still look at weather maps on my computer, get a personal FSS weather
briefing before flying, so the interface with weather forecasts is not
important to me.
Thanks!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Subject: Re: FLYING SOFT WARE
Date: Jul 14, 2014
Moe
Foreflight is very good. Get the Stratus II-B while you are at it.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:37 PM, "William Boelte" wrote:
>
> I use Foreflight. I have it on my IPad and find it very useful.
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Bill
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-l
ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of White_rhino_ps
> Sent: Monday, 14 July, 2014 21:20
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYING SOFT WARE
>
> ForeFlight on the iPad.
>
> From my iPhone!
>
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Moe Mills wrot
e:
>
> Hi Fellow Commander Drivers,
>
> For many years I have used Flitesoft software for my flight planning, the
y have recently gone out of business and therefore I am seeking a replaceme
nt, and would appreciate any suggestions.
>
> Here is my situation:
>
> No longer IFR current, and therefore only fly VFR
> Fly below 18,000 MSL ...mostly 16,500 to 17,500
> Fly mostly in the Southwest US (NM, AZ, TX, CA,CO,NV)
> Still look at weather maps on my computer, get a personal FSS weather br
iefing before flying, so the interface with weather forecasts is not import
ant to me.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2014
From: Donald Falik <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FLYING SOFT WARE
Moe,=0A=0AWe met years ago at a seminar for flying across the Atlantic at S
porty's in Ohio.=0A=0AI had a 500S.- Never made the trip but the seminar
was outstanding.- I now fly a Geronimo (a highly modified Apache).=0A=0AI
have used the Garmin app with their antenna and an I pad mini.- The ante
nna was about $700.00 (now it is closer to $500.00)-and the deluxe app ru
ns about $150.00 a year.- That includes everything...IFR maps, VFR maps,
geo referenced taxi ways and all the approach plates (also geo referenced).
- This is-in addition to all the weather information and terrain data.
-It is like playing a video game. -I have been very happy with it.- I
chose Garmin as I am flying with a 530 and a 496 and have for years so I t
hought it prudent to stay with Garmin.=0A=0AGeo referencing places your air
craft right on whatever map or plate you are looking at.=0A=0AThe new Garmi
n antenna ($800.00)-now is set up for 3-D and will also provide SynVis-3D
vision.- I don't have that antenna and fly in basically the flat lands o
f Michigan so it is more of a novelty that a necessity.=0A=0AProbably more
information than you wanted,=0A=0ADon =0A=0A=0AOn Monday, July 14, 2014 9:3
7 PM, Moe Mills wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AHi Fe
llow Commander Drivers,=0A-=0AFor many years I have used Flitesoft softwa
re for my flight planning, they have recently gone out of business and ther
efore I am seeking a replacement, and would appreciate any suggestions.=0A
-=0AHere is my situation:=0A-=0ANo-longer IFR current, and therefore
only fly VFR=0AFly below 18,000 MSL ...mostly 16,500 to 17,500=0AFly mostly
in the Southwest US (NM, AZ, TX, CA,CO,NV)=0AStill look at weather maps on
my computer, get a personal FSS- weather briefing before flying, so the
interface with weather forecasts is not important to me.=0A-=0AThanks!=0A
=============
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fwd: RA Bob Hoover Today in Washington D.C.
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2014
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2014
Subject: Fwd: RA Bob Hoover Today in Washington D.C.
From: v-man <v-man@v-man.net>
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Fwd: RA Bob Hoover Today in Washington D.C.
Date: Jul 17, 2014
what is this about ????
----- Original Message -----
From: v-man<mailto:v-man@v-man.net>
commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 3:34 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fwd: RA Bob Hoover Today in Washington D.C.
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-------- Original message --------
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com<mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
Date:07/17/2014 2:10 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: RA Bob Hoover Today in Washington D.C.
=EF=BD~=EF=BD=03
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fwd: RA Bob Hoover Today in Washington D.C.
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 18, 2014
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Jr. Hosmann" <patjr(at)scross.com>
Subject: Weight & Balance App
Date: Jul 20, 2014
Commander friends,
Is there a simple app out there that allows for quick calculation on weight
and balance loading on a Shrike? Nothing I am familiar with seems to incl
ude the AC500... thanks!
Pat Hosmann, Jr.
Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
Managing Partner
patjr@scross.com | www.scross.com<http://www.scros
s.com/>
1120 N.W. 51st Court
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
_________________________________
17718 Kings Point Drive, Suite A
Cornelius, NC 28031 USA
Tel: +1 (704) 990 7090
Fax: +1 (704) 990 7094
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2014
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance App
From: Nick Martin <nick(at)container.com>
Good idea for the 690A/B also ..nick
From: "Patrick Jr. Hosmann" <patjr(at)scross.com>
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:09 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
Commander friends,
Is there a simple app out there that allows for quick calculation on weight
and balance loading on a Shrike? Nothing I am familiar with seems to
include the AC500=8A thanks!
Pat Hosmann, Jr.
Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
Managing Partner
patjr@scross.com | www.scross.com <http://www.scross.com/>
1120 N.W. 51st Court
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
_________________________________
17718 Kings Point Drive, Suite A
Cornelius, NC 28031 USA
Tel: +1 (704) 990 7090
Fax: +1 (704) 990 7094
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2014
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance App
From: v-man <v-man@v-man.net>
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Date: Jul 20, 2014
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
From: Nick Martin <nick(at)container.com>
I'll check it out..thank you ,Nick
From: Zac Armstrong <transam403(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:07 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
I use Aerobalance. It's a fully functional app that has worked for every
airplane I fly. I am not sure if they have a shrike pre loaded, but it's
very easy to put it in.
Zac Armstrong
Allegiance Aviation Services
9365771117
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From: "v-man" <v-man@v-man.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
Date: Sat, Jul 19, 2014 8:02 PM
Excel works great. .. free and easy and works on any smartphone with a smar
t
user
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From: Nick Martin
Date:07/19/2014 8:51 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
Good idea for the 690A/B also ..nick
From: "Patrick Jr. Hosmann" <patjr(at)scross.com>
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:09 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
Commander friends,
Is there a simple app out there that allows for quick calculation on weight
and balance loading on a Shrike? Nothing I am familiar with seems to
include the AC500 thanks!
Pat Hosmann, Jr.
Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
Managing Partner
patjr@scross.com | www.scross.com <http://www.scross.com/>
1120 N.W. 51st Court
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
_________________________________
17718 Kings Point Drive, Suite A
Cornelius, NC 28031 USA
Tel: +1 (704) 990 7090
Fax: +1 (704) 990 7094
tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
com
ronics.com/contribution
=02=EF=BD=EF=BD=02=EF=BD=EF=BD
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Weight & Balance App
Date: Jul 20, 2014
Hello Pat,
Out of interest, which Shrike do you own?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
(Aero Commander historian, UK)
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Jr.
Hosmann
Sent: 20 July 2014 01:09
Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
Commander friends,
Is there a simple app out there that allows for quick calculation on weight
and balance loading on a Shrike? Nothing I am familiar with seems to
include the AC500. thanks!
Pat Hosmann, Jr.
Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
Managing Partner
patjr@scross.com | www.scross.com <http://www.scross.com/>
1120 N.W. 51st Court
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
_________________________________
17718 Kings Point Drive, Suite A
Cornelius, NC 28031 USA
Tel: +1 (704) 990 7090
Fax: +1 (704) 990 7094
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Jr. Hosmann" <patjr(at)scross.com>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance App
Date: Jul 20, 2014
Hi Barry,
We are relatively new to this group. We are in the process of closing on N
7764B thanks to Mr. Byerly... A little dated in the front office but very
clean airframe w low TT and most of the mods we wanted. Should be a fun pr
oject.
Thanks to all for the responses - I will be sure to check out eflite and ae
robalance.
Best,
Pat Hosmann, Jr.
Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
Managing Partner
patjr@scross.com | www.scross.com<http://www.scros
s.com/>
1120 N.W. 51st Court
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
_________________________________
17718 Kings Point Drive, Suite A
Cornelius, NC 28031 USA
Tel: +1 (704) 990 7090
Fax: +1 (704) 990 7094
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk<mailto:barry.collman@a
ir-britain.co.uk>>
>" >
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2014 at 7:23 AM
mmander-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
Hello Pat,
Out of interest, which Shrike do you own?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
(Aero Commander historian, UK)
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-list
-server(at)matronics.com> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] O
n Behalf Of Patrick Jr. Hosmann
Sent: 20 July 2014 01:09
Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
Commander friends,
Is there a simple app out there that allows for quick calculation on weight
and balance loading on a Shrike? Nothing I am familiar with seems to incl
ude the AC500... thanks!
Pat Hosmann, Jr.
Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
Managing Partner
patjr@scross.com | www.scross.com<http://www.scros
s.com/>
1120 N.W. 51st Court
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
_________________________________
17718 Kings Point Drive, Suite A
Cornelius, NC 28031 USA
Tel: +1 (704) 990 7090
Fax: +1 (704) 990 7094
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Weight & Balance App
Date: Jul 20, 2014
Hi Pat,
Grateful thanks for letting me know.
s/n 3235 has had just 4 different owners in its 39 year history!
I'll keep an eye open for the 5th one ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Jr.
Hosmann
Sent: 20 July 2014 14:26
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
Hi Barry,
We are relatively new to this group. We are in the process of closing on
N7764B thanks to Mr. Byerly. A little dated in the front office but very
clean airframe w low TT and most of the mods we wanted. Should be a fun
project.
Thanks to all for the responses - I will be sure to check out eflite and
aerobalance.
Best,
Pat Hosmann, Jr.
Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
Managing Partner
patjr@scross.com | www.scross.com <http://www.scross.com/>
1120 N.W. 51st Court
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
_________________________________
17718 Kings Point Drive, Suite A
Cornelius, NC 28031 USA
Tel: +1 (704) 990 7090
Fax: +1 (704) 990 7094
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2014 at 7:23 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
Hello Pat,
Out of interest, which Shrike do you own?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
(Aero Commander historian, UK)
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Jr.
Hosmann
Sent: 20 July 2014 01:09
Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
Commander friends,
Is there a simple app out there that allows for quick calculation on weight
and balance loading on a Shrike? Nothing I am familiar with seems to
include the AC500. thanks!
Pat Hosmann, Jr.
Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
Managing Partner
patjr@scross.com | www.scross.com <http://www.scross.com/>
1120 N.W. 51st Court
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
_________________________________
17718 Kings Point Drive, Suite A
Cornelius, NC 28031 USA
Tel: +1 (704) 990 7090
Fax: +1 (704) 990 7094
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
ics.com
.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Weight & Balance App
Date: Jul 20, 2014
I think I posted this a couple of years back. It is not 'officially
approved' but may be helpful.
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) PGDipAvMed(Otago) ACCAM(Monash) MHeathSci(OccMed)
MHL(USyd) FAFOEM(RACP)
Consultant Occupational Physician
Clinical Senior Lecturer in Aviation and Occupational Medicine, University
of Otago
Occupational, Legal and Aviation Medicine
DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
Mob +61 438 312973 (Australia) +971 56 6508244 (Dubai personal) +971 56
9993134(Emirates Blackberry)
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Jr.
Hosmann
Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2014 4:09 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
Commander friends,
Is there a simple app out there that allows for quick calculation on weight
and balance loading on a Shrike? Nothing I am familiar with seems to
include the AC500. thanks!
Pat Hosmann, Jr.
Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
Managing Partner
patjr@scross.com | www.scross.com <http://www.scross.com/>
1120 N.W. 51st Court
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309 USA
Tel: +1 (954) 377 0320
Cell: +1 (954) 591 4490
_________________________________
17718 Kings Point Drive, Suite A
Cornelius, NC 28031 USA
Tel: +1 (704) 990 7090
Fax: +1 (704) 990 7094
_____
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From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance App
Date: Jul 20, 2014
DR David,
For those of us that live in the small country that uses LBS as a
starting point, I added a converter from LBS to KG.
So I can add my self as the pilot of 220 LBS =99.7703214 kg, 1 lbs =
.45359237 kg
I did not know that off the top of my head. I looked it up. ;-)
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
ACN IBO Member
401 Monte Alto PL NE
Albuquerque, NM 87123
505-247-3001
505-400-8373 Cell
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On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:05 AM, David Fitzgerald
wrote:
> I think I posted this a couple of years back. It is not =91officially
approved=92 but may be helpful.
>
> Dr David Fitzgerald
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MHeathSci(OccMed) MHL(USyd) FAFOEM(RACP)
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University of Otago
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> DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
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56 9993134(Emirates Blackberry)
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Jr. Hosmann
> Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2014 4:09 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance App
>
> Commander friends,
>
> Is there a simple app out there that allows for quick calculation on
weight and balance loading on a Shrike? Nothing I am familiar with
seems to include the AC500=85 thanks!
>
>
>
>
> Pat Hosmann, Jr.
> Southern Cross Aircraft, LLC
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From: Gary Giesler <gjgiesler(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Parts For 500 S
Date: Jul 25, 2014
Help if you can. I need Rod end bearings for doors on 1974 500 S .
# 330085-11 Rod Assembly - outboard
# 330085-13 Rod Assembly - inboard
Two of each if i can find them. Thanks Gary Giesler N500RX
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Parts For 500 S
Date: Jul 25, 2014
Gary=2C
Which doors?
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
From: gjgiesler(at)hotmail.com
Subject: Commander-List: Parts For 500 S
Date: Fri=2C 25 Jul 2014 13:04:35 -0500
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Help if you can. I need Rod end bearings for doors on 1974 500 S .
# 330085-11 Rod Assembly - outboard
# 330085-13 Rod Assembly - inboard
Two of each if i can find them. Thanks Gary Giesler N500RX
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Date: Jul 25, 2014
Subject: Commander Spotting KCOS
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From: Gary Giesler <gjgiesler(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Parts For 500 S
Date: Jul 26, 2014
Moe =2C
Sorry =2C I should have been more specific. They are the main gear do
or rod end bearings. Where the rod connects to the door to open
and close it. I need at least one set...inboard and outboard. I think this
is what the mechanic is describing to me on the phone. My parts
book is there with the plane at the shop. I will have to get a visual on th
e problem Monday for a better mental picture.
Thanks Gary
N500RX
From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Parts For 500 S
Date: Fri=2C 25 Jul 2014 21:53:07 -0600
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Gary=2C
Which doors?
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
From: gjgiesler(at)hotmail.com
Subject: Commander-List: Parts For 500 S
Date: Fri=2C 25 Jul 2014 13:04:35 -0500
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Help if you can. I need Rod end bearings for doors on 1974 500 S .
# 330085-11 Rod Assembly - outboard
# 330085-13 Rod Assembly - inboard
Two of each if i can find them. Thanks Gary Giesler N500RX
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander Spotting KCOS
Date: Jul 26, 2014
Hi Keith,
Very many thanks.
All are with Sanborn Map Company Inc., so are indeed camera equipped.
They also have N892WA (690A s/n 11273) & N600WS (690B s/n 11435), so I
guess they were working and away from home.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
K.S.Gordon
Sent: 26 July 2014 05:24
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Spotting KCOS
This is of special interest to Sir Barry. Spotted 5 at Colorado Springs
today, all parked together in an out of the way corner of the field.
All appear to be camera and/or survey - sensor equipped.
Sorry I didn't get data plates but all seemed current enough that you
probably have them via N number.
I recognized a few of these. Enjoyed seeing the 680FL the most.
K S Gordon
On the fly =F0=9F=8C=90
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Parts For 500 S
Date: Jul 26, 2014
Gary=2C
I have a set of main gear doors for a Shrike=2C however=2C I believe that t
he hardware has been removed=2C and I will not be able to get to them for a
few days to check=2C as I am on vacation.
Regards=2C
Moe
From: gjgiesler(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Parts For 500 S
Date: Sat=2C 26 Jul 2014 02:21:38 -0500
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Moe =2C
Sorry =2C I should have been more specific. They are the main gear do
or rod end bearings. Where the rod connects to the door to open
and close it. I need at least one set...inboard and outboard. I think this
is what the mechanic is describing to me on the phone. My parts
book is there with the plane at the shop. I will have to get a visual on th
e problem Monday for a better mental picture.
Thanks Gary
N500RX
From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Parts For 500 S
Date: Fri=2C 25 Jul 2014 21:53:07 -0600
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Gary=2C
Which doors?
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
From: gjgiesler(at)hotmail.com
Subject: Commander-List: Parts For 500 S
Date: Fri=2C 25 Jul 2014 13:04:35 -0500
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Help if you can. I need Rod end bearings for doors on 1974 500 S .
# 330085-11 Rod Assembly - outboard
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Subject: Commander Spotting KCOS
Date: Jul 26, 2014
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Subject: Fwd: N57084 Shrike Commander For Sale
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 01, 2014
=0A =0A =0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: John Bosch <Jbos
ch(at)commander-aero.com>=0ATo: yourtcfg =0ASent: Fri, Ju
l 25, 2014 12:18 pm=0ASubject: N57084 Shrike Commander For Sal
e=0A=0A=0A=0AJim,=0A =0AThings are going well here at Commander
Aero. We are pleased to be representing a fine twin Comma
nder, the details of which are in the attachment. You may
also see our advertisement in Trade-A-Plane here:http://www.trade
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l=0A =0AIf you know anyone that may be interested in a rea
l nice Shrike with the Mr. RPM 800 conversion please mention
N57084. Feel free to contact me with any questions.=0A =0A
Scherry said Hi! She may come to the Fly-in. She will
give you a call next week.=0A =0AJohn Bosch=0A888-881-5580 x12=0A
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From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Need a fuel cap
Date: Aug 01, 2014
Hello Commander Fans.
I am in need of a fuel cap for my 680F. Just noticed yesterday that the
right outboard tank cap is missing. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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Subject: Need a fuel cap
Date: Aug 01, 2014
From: "Levan Tabidze" <ltabidze(at)twincommander.com>
As far as I know our service centers have ample supply of the fuel caps.
You can find closest service center here:
http://www.twincommander.com/serviceCenters.html
Thank you,
Levan Tabidze
Engineering Manager
Twin Commander Aircraft, LLC.
1176 Telecom Drive, Creedmoor, NC 27522-8294
Mobile: (919) 702-4445
Office: (919) 956-4246
Fax:$B!!(J(919) 682-3786
ltabidze(at)twincommander.com
www.TwinCommander.com <http://www.twincommander.com/>
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 2:23 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Need a fuel cap
Hello Commander Fans.
I am in need of a fuel cap for my 680F. Just noticed yesterday that the right
outboard tank cap is missing. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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Date: Aug 01, 2014
Subject: Re: Need a fuel cap
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Subject: Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 05, 2014
=0AThe time for the Fly-In is quickly approaching. If you
haven't made your hotel reservations you need to do so soon
to ensure a room at the group rate. You also need to get
your registration in. =0A=0AYou don't want to miss visitin
g this beautiful place and hearing some great Commander storie
s as well as learning about them. =0A=0ALook forward to s
eeing everyone there. =0A=0A~Jim & Sue=0A
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Subject: Re: Commander Spotting KCOS
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 05, 2014
=0ASanborn will be at our Fly-In so will be a good time
to see these airplanes up close and in person!=0A =0A =0A---
--Original Message-----=0AFrom: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain
.co.uk>=0ATo: commander-list =0ASent: Sat,
Jul 26, 2014 2:53 am=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Sp
otting KCOS=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Keith,=0A =0AVery many thanks.=0AAll are
with Sanborn Map Company Inc., so are indeed camera equipped.=0A
=0AThey also have N892WA (690A s/n 11273) & N600WS (690B
s/n 11435), so I guess they were working and away from hom
e.=0A =0AVery Best Regards,=0ABarry=0A =0A=0AFrom: owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
Behalf Of K.S.Gordon=0ASent: 26 July 2014 05:24=0ATo: Commander
-List Digest Server=0ASubject: Commander-List: Commander Spotting KC
OS=0A=0A =0A=0AThis is of special interest to Sir Barry. Sp
otted 5 at Colorado Springs today, all parked together in an
out of the way corner of the field. =0A=0A =0A=0AAll appe
ar to be camera and/or survey - sensor equipped. =0A=0A =0A=0A
Sorry I didn't get data plates but all seemed current enough
that you probably have them via N number.=0A=0A =0A=0AI rec
ognized a few of these. Enjoyed seeing the 680FL the most
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Subject: TCFG Fly-In
From: suemetzger(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 05, 2014
=0AFly-In time will be here soon, so don't delay in getting
in your registration and making your hotel reservations. Colo
rado Springs is a great place to visit, plus think of all
the Commander stories you'll hear. Also, you can meet "Sir"
Barry, the author of this http://flightlevelsonline.com/2014/spring
-2014/looking-back-model-680e-a-long-wing-680-with-higher-mgw/ and many ot
her articles about the history of Commanders. =0A=0AWe promis
e you'll have an awesome time!=0A=0A~Jim & Sue Metzger=0A
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Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Aug 09, 2014
When and where is the fly-in, Jim? Might stop by in the Aerostar and represent
Ted Smith.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428232#428232
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Date: Aug 09, 2014
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
Just a reminder to mark your calendars and put in your vacation request for
the annual TCFG Fly-in to be held September 18-21 at Colorado Springs,
Colorado, home to TCFG member, Dan Farmer. If you've never been to a
Fly-in and met Dan and his lovely wife, you absolutely must come and do
so. You're guaranteed to have fun.
Plus, Colorado Springs is a great place to visit with lots of exciting
things to do and see so plan some extra time to take it all in. As
arrangements are firmed up with hotel, etc. we will keep you posted.
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 7:29 PM, stratobee wrote:
>
> When and where is the fly-in, Jim? Might stop by in the Aerostar and
> represent Ted Smith.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428232#428232
>
>
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: 11158 - 690A-11158 - VH-ATF
Date: Aug 09, 2014
Hi Russell,
Just been advised of an owner change for this one.
Also noticed that =98we=99 have an incomplete date (Row 19).
Best Regards,
Barry
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Date: Aug 11, 2014
Subject: Re: 11158 - 690A-11158 - VH-ATF
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
Hi Barry,
Yes, this one has been for sale for some time and I am not surprised at the
'ownership' change - verified.
Also please change date on Line 19: *01/05/80*
Please 're-position' Line 17 to appear directly under Line 12, to better
reflect that it carried this name while with Advance Airlines Pty Ltd.
Please add:
*01/06/98* Op Lessbrook Pty Ltd., Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
*01/06/98* t/a Transair Pty Ltd., Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
*28/04/01* AiResearch TPE331-10T-515K
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Barry Collman <
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Russell,
>
>
> Just been advised of an owner change for this one.
>
>
> Also noticed that =98we=99 have an incomplete date (Row 19).
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: RE: 11158 - 690A-11158 - VH-ATF
Date: Aug 11, 2014
Hi Russell,
OK =93 duly done.
The =9CLidgbird=9D name doesn=99t show up with Advance
Airlines on any shots before one dated 12Jan77, hence the added detail.
Re =9Ct/a=9D should this be just =9CTransair=9D,
Brisbane,Queensland,Australia =93 to reflect the operating name?
It was Lessbrook Pty Ltd t/a Transair?
We could of course show them as =9CTransair Pty Ltd (t/a:
Transair),Brisbane,Queensland,Australia on lines 36 & 40, which would
tidy things up a bit.
I usually incorporate these kinds of records onto one line, except where
the field isn=99t wide enough to show it all on one line.
I might have to re-visit some of this kind of record.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Legg
Sent: 11 August 2014 04:11
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 11158 - 690A-11158 - VH-ATF
Hi Barry,
Yes, this one has been for sale for some time and I am not surprised at
the 'ownership' change - verified.
Also please change date on Line 19: 01/05/80
Please 're-position' Line 17 to appear directly under Line 12, to better
reflect that it carried this name while with Advance Airlines Pty Ltd.
Please add:
01/06/98 Op Lessbrook Pty Ltd., Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
01/06/98 t/a Transair Pty Ltd., Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
28/04/01 AiResearch TPE331-10T-515K
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Barry Collman
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Russell,
Just been advised of an owner change for this one.
Also noticed that =98we=99 have an incomplete date (Row 19).
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2014
Subject: Re: RE: 11158 - 690A-11158 - VH-ATF
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
Hi Barry,
With the Lidgbird name I wanted to try and peg the company and the name
together - it was looking forlorn several lines later, I realise that the
name came well into its life with Advance...
Back to our corporate 'spider web' dilemma!! This one appears to have had a
number of holding company changes while consistently trading as 'Transair'.
I am not fussed as to how we indicate this, as long as we can show the
changes of holding companies. I will leave it to your 'wiseness'!!!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Barry Collman <
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Russell,
>
>
> OK =93 duly done.
>
> The =9CLidgbird=9D name doesn=99t show up with Advance
Airlines on any shots
> before one dated 12Jan77, hence the added detail.
>
>
> Re =9Ct/a=9D should this be just =9CTransair=9D,
Brisbane,Queensland,Australia =93
> to reflect the operating name?
>
> It was Lessbrook Pty Ltd t/a Transair?
>
> We could of course show them as =9CTransair Pty Ltd (t/a:
> Transair),Brisbane,Queensland,Australia on lines 36 & 40, which would tid
y
> things up a bit.
>
> I usually incorporate these kinds of records onto one line, except where
> the field isn=99t wide enough to show it all on one line.
>
> I might have to re-visit some of this kind of record.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Russell Legg
> *Sent:* 11 August 2014 04:11
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: 11158 - 690A-11158 - VH-ATF
>
>
> Hi Barry,
>
>
> Yes, this one has been for sale for some time and I am not surprised at
> the 'ownership' change - verified.
>
>
> Also please change date on Line 19: *01/05/80*
>
>
> Please 're-position' Line 17 to appear directly under Line 12, to better
> reflect that it carried this name while with Advance Airlines Pty Ltd.
>
>
> Please add:
>
>
> *01/06/98* Op Lessbrook Pty Ltd., Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
>
> *01/06/98* t/a Transair Pty Ltd., Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
>
>
> *28/04/01* AiResearch TPE331-10T-515K
>
>
> Cheers from Oz
>
>
> Russell
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Barry Collman <
> barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Russell,
>
>
> Just been advised of an owner change for this one.
>
>
> Also noticed that =98we=99 have an incomplete date (Row 19).
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List *
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com *
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution *
>
>
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: RE: 11158 - 690A-11158 - VH-ATF
Date: Aug 12, 2014
Hi Russell,
Another area where Tony Arbon might pick up on some records.
And another area where a more detailed and thorough trawl through photos
will help.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Legg
Sent: 12 August 2014 00:51
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: 11158 - 690A-11158 - VH-ATF
Hi Barry,
With the Lidgbird name I wanted to try and peg the company and the name
together - it was looking forlorn several lines later, I realise that
the name came well into its life with Advance...
Back to our corporate 'spider web' dilemma!! This one appears to have
had a number of holding company changes while consistently trading as
'Transair'. I am not fussed as to how we indicate this, as long as we
can show the changes of holding companies. I will leave it to your
'wiseness'!!!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Barry Collman
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Russell,
OK =93 duly done.
The =9CLidgbird=9D name doesn=99t show up with Advance
Airlines on any shots before one dated 12Jan77, hence the added detail.
Re =9Ct/a=9D should this be just =9CTransair=9D,
Brisbane,Queensland,Australia =93 to reflect the operating name?
It was Lessbrook Pty Ltd t/a Transair?
We could of course show them as =9CTransair Pty Ltd (t/a:
Transair),Brisbane,Queensland,Australia on lines 36 & 40, which would
tidy things up a bit.
I usually incorporate these kinds of records onto one line, except where
the field isn=99t wide enough to show it all on one line.
I might have to re-visit some of this kind of record.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Legg
Sent: 11 August 2014 04:11
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 11158 - 690A-11158 - VH-ATF
Hi Barry,
Yes, this one has been for sale for some time and I am not surprised at
the 'ownership' change - verified.
Also please change date on Line 19: 01/05/80
Please 're-position' Line 17 to appear directly under Line 12, to better
reflect that it carried this name while with Advance Airlines Pty Ltd.
Please add:
01/06/98 Op Lessbrook Pty Ltd., Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
01/06/98 t/a Transair Pty Ltd., Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
28/04/01 AiResearch TPE331-10T-515K
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Barry Collman
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Russell,
Just been advised of an owner change for this one.
Also noticed that =98we=99 have an incomplete date (Row 19).
Best Regards,
Barry
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Date: Aug 23, 2014
Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: "pbgtutubo ." <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM>
Hey Adam!
Haha, that would be awesome to line up a 'middle winger' along the high
wingers
Are you still considering it?
If so, do you mind if I tag along? (I would drive myself down there and of
course will help out with the fuel).
Hope you are having a fun time with the fiancee!
Take care,
Peter
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 2:59 AM, stratobee wrote:
>
> When and where is the fly-in, Jim? Might stop by in the Aerostar and
> represent Ted Smith.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428232#428232
>
>
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Subject: Fwd: Fly-In Hotel Information
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 25, 2014
=0A=0AHey Folks......just a reminder that you still have time
to make reservations for the Fly-In. The group rate is go
od until the 28th and registration is open until September 1
0th. =0A =0AHope to see all of you there. =0A =0A-----
Original Message-----=0AFrom: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>=0ATo: commande
r-list =0ASent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 8:25
am=0ASubject: Fly-In Hotel Information=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AHer
e's the information for making your hotel reservations for the
fly-in. Be sure to book early. =0A =0A=0A=0ATwin Commander
Flight Group =0A =0A =0A =0A =0ABased on Availability 9/18/
14 - 9/21/14 =0A=0A =0A =0A =0AExecutive King Studio Suite a
t $96.00 =0A=0AOne Bedroom Suite at $96.00 =0A=0ADeluxe Double
Studio Suite at $96.00 =0A=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0AMake your
reservation today by visiting =0A=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://coloradospr
ings.house.hyatt.com/en/hotel/home.html?corp_id=g-TCFG =0A=0A =0A =0A
=0Aor call 719-268-9990 ask for Group Code: TCFG =0A=0A=EF=82=B7
Complimentary Full Hot Breakfast Buffet daily featuring cook
to order omelet station =0A=0A=EF=82=B7 Complimentary Evening Soci
al Mon-Thurs 5:30pm-7pm including wine, beer soft drinks, soup,
salad and light dinner faire =0A=0A=EF=82=B7 Full Kitchen in e
very Suite =0A =0A =0A=0A=EF=82=B7 Outdoor Seasonal Pool & Jac
uzzi =0A=0A=EF=82=B7 Complimentary Internet Access and parking =0A
=0A=EF=82=B7 Laundry Facility & Dry Cleaning Service =0A=0A=EF=82=B7
On-site Fitness Center =0A=0A =0A =0A =0APlease book your r
oom by August 28, 2014. =0A=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0AIf you
have additional questions about your group or would like to
book dates outside your group block, please call the Sales D
epartment at 719-268-9990 x706 and ask for Hui Kim, Sales Ma
nager. =0A=0A =0A =0A5805 Delmonico Drive, Colorado Springs, CO
80919 719-268-9990 =0A=0A=0A
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Subject: Re: Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 25, 2014
=0AAdam, =0A =0ASept 18-20 in Colorado Springs. Hope to see
you and your new bird there.=0A =0A =0A-----Original Message-
----=0AFrom: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>=0ATo: commander-list <comma
nder-list(at)matronics.com>=0ASent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 3:14 am=0ASubject:
Commander-List: Re: Fly-In=0A=0A=0A--> Commander-List message poste
d by: "stratobee" =0A=0AWhen and where is the
fly-in, Jim? Might stop by in the Aerostar and represent
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Subject: IGSO-540 Lean of Peak Chart
From: "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2014
=0A Thought I'd toss this grenade out there -- it's been s
o quiet on the Commander list.=0A=0AIt's a Lean of Peak char
t for the Lycoming IGSO-540 engines. I referred to it
in a column I wrote for the the Flight Group News decades
ago and it ruffled a few feathers among those who think ru
nning LOP is the work of the Devil.=0A=0AI just moved and
am culling through boxes and boxes of stuff that I haven't
looked at in years. Sadly, there's less room in the ne
w home than the old and I'm having to evaluate what I ke
ep.=0A=0AThere is a lot of historical Commander articles and i
nformation.=0A=0AAny takers? All I ask is that you pay t
he freight and keep it accessible to others.=0A=0AKeith S. Gor
don=0Aaka "Wing Commander Gordon"=0A=0A =0A=0ALife is not simple
anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.=0AKHND RNAV Lead=0AFAASTeam
Lead Rep, Las Vegas=0ANBAA Access Committee=0ALas Vegas Airspace
Users' Council, NBAA Rep=0ALas Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Grou
p, NBAA Rep=0ALas Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep=0A
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Subject: From: Moe Mills
From: "Moe Mills" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Hi
http://venturetechnologies.net/living.php?eckayhnx3046fxxrky
moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
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From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: From: Moe Mills
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Mo, how much weight did you lose? Every 6 lbs you lose extends your
range by 5 miles in a 500b.
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe Mills<mailto:moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:30 AM
Subject: Commander-List: From: Moe Mills
Hi
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: From: Moe Mills
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Lloyd=2C
It appears that I have been hacked. About 30 years ago I lost about 80 lbs
. and my weight has not varied over 5 or 6 pounds since then.
It would be most interesting to look at the data that compares the gross we
ight with the fuel burn. My 680F(p) burns about 55 gallons per hour=2C and
the maxim gross weight is 8=2C000 lbs. Usually the take off weight is ar
ound 7=2C600 lbs=2C as I most often fly either alone or with one lite passa
nger.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
From: lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: From: Moe Mills
Date: Sun=2C 31 Aug 2014 11:51:12 -0400
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From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: From: Moe Mills
Date: Aug 31, 2014
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Sorry about hacker. I rounded out fuel burn on the 500B to about 30 gals
/ hr at 12000FT , about 200mph. That's about 1.1 mile per Lb of fuel.
hope that provides incentive for maintaining a lean frame. I'm about
198 down from 250 when I bought the commander 24 yrs ago. rgds
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe Mills<mailto:moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: From: Moe Mills
Lloyd,
It appears that I have been hacked. About 30 years ago I lost about 80
lbs. and my weight has not varied over 5 or 6 pounds since then.
It would be most interesting to look at the data that compares the gross
weight with the fuel burn. My 680F(p) burns about 55 gallons per hour,
and the maxim gross weight is 8,000 lbs. Usually the take off weight
is around 7,600 lbs, as I most often fly either alone or with one lite
passanger.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
From: lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: From: Moe Mills
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:51:12 -0400
Mo, how much weight did you lose? Every 6 lbs you lose extends your
range by 5 miles in a 500b.
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe Mills<mailto:moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:30 AM
Subject: Commander-List: From: Moe Mills
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From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Fw: Flying Terminology
Date: Aug 31, 2014
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Keating<mailto:peggy.keating(at)verizon.net>
belleville ; ed
mege ;
lloyd_silverman ; tom
nelson ; sam & aimee
walker ; John
Casey ; richard
Tieman ;
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Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 4:23 PM
Subject: Fwd: Flying Terminology
Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:
From: John Mitchell <63whiskey(at)gmail.com<mailto:63whiskey(at)gmail.com>>
Date: August 31, 2014 at 12:04:30 PM EDT
Subject: Flying Terminology
Sent from somewhere in the beautiful Catskill Mountains
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Flying Terminology
AIRSPEED - Speed of an airplane. (Deduct at least 25% when listening to
a fighter pilot.)
BANK - An institution that hold the lien on most pilot's cars.
CARBURETOR ICING - A phenomenon reported to the FAA by pilots
immediately after they run out of gas.
CONE OF CONFUSION - An area about the size of New Jersey located near
the final approach fix at an airport.
DEAD RECKONING - You reckon correctly, or you are.
DESTINATION - Geographical location 15 minutes beyond the pilot's
bladder saturation point.
ENGINE FAILURE - A condition that always results when all fuel tanks
mysteriously become filled with low-octane air.
FIREWALL - Section of the aircraft specifically designed to funnel heat
and smoke into the cockpit.
FLIGHT FOLLOWING - 1. Formation flying 2. Bird watching.
GLIDE DISTANCE - Half the distance from an airplane to the nearest
emergency landing field.
HOBBS METER - An instrument requiring an immediate emergency landing if
should it fail during dual instruction.
HYDROPLANE - An airplane landing long and "hot" on a short and very wet
runway.
LEAN MIXTURE - Nonalcoholic beer.
MINI MAG LITE - Device designed to support the AAA battery industry.
NANOSECOND - Time delay between the Low Fuel Warning light and the onset
of carburetor icing (see above).
PARASITIC DRAG - A pilot who bums a ride and complains about the
service.
RICH MIXTURE - What you order at another pilot's promotion party.
ROGER - Used when you have no idea about what else to say.
SECTIONAL CHART - Any chart that ends 25 nm short of your destination.
SERVICE CEILING - Altitude above which the cabin crew cannot serve
drinks.
SPOILERS - 1. FAA Inspectors. 2. Box lunches
STALL - Technique used to explain to the bank why your car payment is
late.
STEEP BANKS - Banks that charge pilots more than 10% interest.
TURN & BANK INDICATOR - An instrument largely ignored by pilots.
USEFUL LOAD - Volumetric capacity of the aircraft, disregarding weight.
WAC CHART - Directions to the Army female barracks.
YANKEE - Any pilot who has to ask New Orleans tower to "Say again".
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Fw: Flying Terminology
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Thanks for this.
From: lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Flying Terminology
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From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Fw: Flying Terminology
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Lloyd, this is great. Thanks for sharing!
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd
silverman
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Flying Terminology
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From: Bill Keating <mailto:peggy.keating(at)verizon.net>
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Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 4:23 PM
Subject: Fwd: Flying Terminology
Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:
From: John Mitchell <63whiskey(at)gmail.com <mailto:63whiskey(at)gmail.com> >
Date: August 31, 2014 at 12:04:30 PM EDT
Subject: Flying Terminology
Sent from somewhere in the beautiful Catskill Mountains
Begin forwarded message:
Flying Terminology
AIRSPEED - Speed of an airplane. (Deduct at least 25% when listening to a
fighter pilot.)
BANK - An institution that hold the lien on most pilot's cars.
CARBURETOR ICING - A phenomenon reported to the FAA by pilots immediately
after they run out of gas.
CONE OF CONFUSION - An area about the size of New Jersey located near the
final approach fix at an airport.
DEAD RECKONING - You reckon correctly, or you are.
DESTINATION - Geographical location 15 minutes beyond the pilot's bladder
saturation point.
ENGINE FAILURE - A condition that always results when all fuel tanks
mysteriously become filled with low-octane air.
FIREWALL - Section of the aircraft specifically designed to funnel heat and
smoke into the cockpit.
FLIGHT FOLLOWING - 1. Formation flying 2. Bird watching.
GLIDE DISTANCE - Half the distance from an airplane to the nearest emergency
landing field.
HOBBS METER - An instrument requiring an immediate emergency landing if
should it fail during dual instruction.
HYDROPLANE - An airplane landing long and "hot" on a short and very wet
runway.
LEAN MIXTURE - Nonalcoholic beer.
MINI MAG LITE - Device designed to support the AAA battery industry.
NANOSECOND - Time delay between the Low Fuel Warning light and the onset of
carburetor icing (see above).
PARASITIC DRAG - A pilot who bums a ride and complains about the service.
RICH MIXTURE - What you order at another pilot's promotion party.
ROGER - Used when you have no idea about what else to say.
SECTIONAL CHART - Any chart that ends 25 nm short of your destination.
SERVICE CEILING - Altitude above which the cabin crew cannot serve drinks.
SPOILERS - 1. FAA Inspectors. 2. Box lunches
STALL - Technique used to explain to the bank why your car payment is late.
STEEP BANKS - Banks that charge pilots more than 10% interest.
TURN & BANK INDICATOR - An instrument largely ignored by pilots.
USEFUL LOAD - Volumetric capacity of the aircraft, disregarding weight.
WAC CHART - Directions to the Army female barracks.
YANKEE - Any pilot who has to ask New Orleans tower to "Say again".
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Subject: Aero Commander Production List
From: "Peter Bichier" <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Commander Fellows,
Just came across a gold mine! (as usual completely by accident) Probably well known
to our historians here, but to me this site has incredible info.
https://sites.google.com/site/aerocommanderproductionlist/
Look up your your Commander or any other on the list, it links to photos or ASN
Aircraft accidents or any active link. Obviously not complete but really eye
opener and easy to use. Greater time sucker than Facebook if you ask me!
Enjoy and hopefully see you at the Fly-In at the base of the Rockies!
Nos Vemos,
Peter always dreaming...
--------
560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429956#429956
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Subject: Re: IGSO-540 Lean of Peak Chart
From: "Peter Bichier" <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Keith,
Thanks for sharing, looks like you have useful info out there. I just opened up
your file still figuring out
I also wanted to share that for some reason every time you post I do not get your
posts on my mail like I do for every one else (I might be the only one).
Right now, I am checking the forum and found this info. All that to say that may
be not many people received/read it.
Thanks for your contributions, always interesting, may be one of these days they'll
let you escape to the Fly-Ins, it would greatly add to the vibrant stories
Take care,
Peter
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560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429957#429957
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Aero Commander Production List
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Hello All,
Anyone relying on that data needs their head examined!
"Obviously not complete" is something of an under statement ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
(Database now approaching 98,900 records)
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Bichier
Sent: 04 September 2014 11:40
Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Production List
Commander Fellows,
Just came across a gold mine! (as usual completely by accident) Probably
well known to our historians here, but to me this site has incredible info.
https://sites.google.com/site/aerocommanderproductionlist/
Look up your your Commander or any other on the list, it links to photos or
ASN Aircraft accidents or any active link. Obviously not complete but
really eye opener and easy to use. Greater time sucker than Facebook if you
ask me!
Enjoy and hopefully see you at the Fly-In at the base of the Rockies!
Nos Vemos,
Peter always dreaming...
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560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429956#429956
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: IGSO-540 Lean of Peak Chart
Date: Sep 04, 2014
I also do not get Keith posts..
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: IGSO-540 Lean of Peak Chart
> From: yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM
> Date: Thu=2C 4 Sep 2014 03:55:44 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>
> Keith=2C
>
> Thanks for sharing=2C looks like you have useful info out there. I just o
pened up your file still figuring out
>
> I also wanted to share that for some reason every time you post I do not
get your posts on my mail like I do for every one else (I might be the only
one).
>
> Right now=2C I am checking the forum and found this info. All that to say
that may be not many people received/read it.
>
> Thanks for your contributions=2C always interesting=2C may be one of thes
e days they'll let you escape to the Fly-Ins=2C it would greatly add to the
vibrant stories
>
> Take care=2C
>
> Peter
>
> --------
> 560 Dreamer
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429957#429957
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From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: IGSO-540 Lean of Peak Chart
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Neither do I. I wonder why he=99s been exiled?
It seems like horrible conspiracy, two of the most knowledgeable, John
Towner & Keith Gordon, can=99t post to the list. Go figure.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Mills
Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: IGSO-540 Lean of Peak Chart
I also do not get Keith posts..
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: IGSO-540 Lean of Peak Chart
> From: yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM <mailto:yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM>
> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 03:55:44 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>
> Keith,
>
> Thanks for sharing, looks like you have useful info out there. I just
opened up your file still figuring out=C3=A2=82=AC=C2
>
> I also wanted to share that for some reason every time you post I do
not get your posts on my mail like I do for every one else (I might be
the only one).
>
> Right now, I am checking the forum and found this info. All that to
say that may be not many people received/read it.
>
> Thanks for your contributions, always interesting, may be one of these
days they'll let you escape to the Fly-Ins, it would greatly add to the
vibrant stories=C3=A2=82=AC=C2
>
> Take care,
>
> Peter
>
> --------
> 560 Dreamer
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429957#429957
>
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Subject: Re: IGSO-540 Lean of Peak Chart
From: suemetzger(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 04, 2014
=0AI get them in the summary form, but not in an individua
l e-mail. It may have to do with what boxes he checked
when he subscribed or there were some glitches in the system
where we were only getting the daily summary rather than
individual posts. =0A =0AKeith, could you repost to see if
it comes through as an individual e-mail for those who have
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Subject: Kcos fly In
From: Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
The weather forecast could not be better. Few pm showers for Friday. Mostly warm
days and cool nights. Bring light to medium jackets for evenings and nights.
The temp drops very fast after sundown, which is early being so close to base
of mountains.
I brought my 500B up from Oklahoma where I crop dust and keep it hangared. Right
now it is at CO49, will move over to KCOS Wednesday.
Look forward to seeing everyone, well .......
Dan
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From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Fw: Pilot Truisms
Date: Sep 14, 2014
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Keating<mailto:peggy.keating(at)verizon.net>
belleville ; david
wojdac ;
lloyd_silverman
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:01 PM
Subject: Fwd: Pilot Truisms
Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:
From: "John M. Mitchell"
<63whiskey(at)gmail.com>
Date: September 14, 2014 at 6:20:14 AM EDT
Subject: Fwd: Pilot Truisms
Sent from my iPad 3 - somewhere in the beautiful Mountains in Western NC
Begin forwarded message:
Subject: FW: Pilot Truisms
Subject: Pilot Truisms
Pilot
truisms
A good simulator check ride is like a successful surgery on a dead body.
Asking a pilot what he thinks about the FAA is like asking a tree what
it
thinks about dogs.
An airline pilot is a confused soul who talks about women when flying,
and
about flying when he's with a woman.
The only thing worse than a captain who never flew as a copilot, is a
copilot who once was a captain.
Experience is gained through making mistakes. Mistakes are caused by a
lack of experience.
Hand-flying an ILS in a gusty crosswind is easier than adjusting the
shower controls in a layover hotel.
A smooth touchdown in a simulator is as exciting as kissing your sister.
Most airline crew food tastes like warmed-over chicken because that's
what
it is.
Everything is accomplished through teamwork until something goes wrong
.... then one pilot gets all the blame.
Standard checklist practice requires pilots to read to each other
procedures used
every day, and recite from memory those which are only needed once every
five years.
An FAA investigation is conducted by a few non-flying experts who take
six
months to itemize the mistakes made by a crew who had six seconds to
react
to the emergency.
--
A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves
himself. - Peter Dorsett
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Subject: TCFG ARRIVALS
From: Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2014
For those of you, like me, that do not frequent class C airports often, I will
try to make your KCOS simpler. It is 98% chance that you will land on the west
side, ie 17R/35L. You might want to look at an AFD before departure. There
are several taxi way closures on the notams. From reading them and listening
on ATIS 719-596-7040. I don't see how they would affect any of us. Unless you
land on 17R hit the first brick if not in the overrun break hard and turn off
on A1. Leaving 10,822 ft that you could have coasted on to A2 or even A3 traffic
permitting. On either A2 or A3 turn right. Stop say hi COS GRD I WANT TO
GO TO CUTTER. They are in the north part of the ramp, directly ahead of A2.
If landing on 35L coast to A4 or A3 take a left. Same drill.
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Colorado Springs
Date: Sep 15, 2014
Commander Folks:
Wow! it's later this week. I am so excited that I went for a bi-annual fli
ght review this morning and as could be expected it went exceedingly well.
While driving back home and contemplating a mental post flight review of my
most excellent performance=2C it came to my attention that perhaps I have
received more awards in the last several years at our meetings than anyone
else. Due the fact that this will be a very short flight for me (about an
hour and twenty five minutes) there is no chance of receiving the award for
the furthest flown is only fair to those with a lower skill level than me
=2C to also eliminate myself from the competition for the much coveted GOLD
EN PEDAL award. Would someone please be so kind as to advise me of the tim
es when the judges for this award will be on the tarmac. With this informa
tion an arrival can be scheduled when the judges will not be on duty=2C whi
ch in turn can give others (though undeserving them may be) a chance to win
this most prestige's award.
See ya soon!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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From: <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Subject: Colorado Springs
Date: Sep 15, 2014
Folks,
We won't be able to attend this year either. There was death in my wife's
family and one other family member is in ICU for a month already, so taking
a trip is not on the cards. I will be with you all in spirit, be sure of
that.
Next year.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 6:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Colorado Springs
Commander Folks:
Wow! it's later this week. I am so excited that I went for a bi-annual
flight review this morning and as could be expected it went exceedingly
well.
While driving back home and contemplating a mental post flight review of my
most excellent performance, it came to my attention that perhaps I have
received more awards in the last several years at our meetings than anyone
else. Due the fact that this will be a very short flight for me (about an
hour and twenty five minutes) there is no chance of receiving the award for
the furthest flown is only fair to those with a lower skill level than me,
to also eliminate myself from the competition for the much coveted GOLDEN
PEDAL award. Would someone please be so kind as to advise me of the times
when the judges for this award will be on the tarmac. With this information
an arrival can be scheduled when the judges will not be on duty, which in
turn can give others (though undeserving them may be) a chance to win this
most prestige's award.
See ya soon!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Colorado Springs
Date: Sep 15, 2014
Well, yet again, N353CC and I won't be able to make it either. Therefore the
"Highest Time Airframe" award will have to go to someone else. Like Nico, I
will be there in spirit, and will miss seeing all of my Commander friends.
Nico, we've yet to meet, but I'm sure it will happen someday. I hope things
work out with the family and I'm sorry to hear of your loss & challenges.
Fly safe,
/J
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nico(at)nicsysco.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 8:20 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Colorado Springs
Folks,
We won't be able to attend this year either. There was death in my wife's
family and one other family member is in ICU for a month already, so taking
a trip is not on the cards. I will be with you all in spirit, be sure of
that.
Next year.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 6:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Colorado Springs
Commander Folks:
Wow! it's later this week. I am so excited that I went for a bi-annual
flight review this morning and as could be expected it went exceedingly
well.
While driving back home and contemplating a mental post flight review of my
most excellent performance, it came to my attention that perhaps I have
received more awards in the last several years at our meetings than anyone
else. Due the fact that this will be a very short flight for me (about an
hour and twenty five minutes) there is no chance of receiving the award for
the furthest flown is only fair to those with a lower skill level than me,
to also eliminate myself from the competition for the much coveted GOLDEN
PEDAL award. Would someone please be so kind as to advise me of the times
when the judges for this award will be on the tarmac. With this information
an arrival can be scheduled when the judges will not be on duty, which in
turn can give others (though undeserving them may be) a chance to win this
most prestige's award.
See ya soon!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Date: Sep 15, 2014
From: andy <Andy(at)58November.com>
Subject: Re: Colorado Springs
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and
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Cell 615-474-0590
On 9/15/2014 20:47, Moe Mills wrote:
> Commander Folks:
>
> Wow! it's later this week. I am so excited that I went for a bi-annual flight
review this morning and as could be expected it went exceedingly well.
>
> While driving back home and contemplating a mental post flight review of my most
excellent performance, it came to my attention that perhaps I have received
more awards in the last several years at our meetings than anyone else. Due
the fact that this will be a very short flight for me (about an hour and twenty
five minutes) there is no chance of receiving the award for the furthest flown
is only fair to those with a lower skill level than me, to also eliminate
myself from the competition for the much coveted GOLDEN PEDAL award. Would someone
please be so kind as to advise me of the times when the judges for this
award will be on the tarmac. With this information an arrival can be scheduled
when the judges will not be on duty, which in turn can give others (though undeserving
them may be) a chance to win this most prestige's award.
>
> See ya soon!
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
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Subject: Re: Colorado Springs
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 16, 2014
=0AMoe, =0A =0AYou can fly, but you can't hide! We have
eyes everywhere!=0A =0A~The Grand Poobah=0A =0A =0A-----Original M
essage-----=0AFrom: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>=0ATo: comman
der list =0ASent: Mon, Sep 15, 2014
6:47 pm=0ASubject: Commander-List: Colorado Springs=0A=0A=0A=0ACommander
Folks:=0A =0AWow! it's later this week. I am so excited
that I went for a bi-annual flight review this morning and
as could be expected it went exceedingly well.=0A =0AWhile dri
ving back home and contemplating a mental post flight review
of my most excellent performance, it came to my attention th
at perhaps I have received more awards in the last several
years at our meetings than anyone else. Due the fact that
this will be a very short flight for me (about an hour
and twenty five minutes) there is no chance of receiving the
award for the furthest flown is only fair to those with
a lower skill level than me, to also eliminate myself from
the competition for the much coveted GOLDEN PEDAL award. Wo
uld someone please be so kind as to advise me of the tim
es when the judges for this award will be on the tarmac.
With this information an arrival can be scheduled when the
judges will not be on duty, which in turn can give others
(though undeserving them may be) a chance to win this most
prestige's award.=0A =0ASee ya soon!=0A =0AMoe Mills=0AN680RR=0A680F
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Subject: Re: Colorado Springs
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 16, 2014
=0AWe miss seeing ol' Chicken Charlie!=0A =0A =0A-----Original M
essage-----=0AFrom: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>=0ATo: commander-li
st =0ASent: Mon, Sep 15, 2014 8:27 p
m=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Colorado Springs=0A=0A=0A=0AWell, yet
again, N353CC and I won=99t be able to make it eith
er. Therefore the =9CHighest Time Airframe=9D award wi
ll have to go to someone else. Like Nico, I will be ther
e in spirit, and will miss seeing all of my Commander frie
nds.=0A =0ANico, we=99ve yet to meet, but I=99m sure
it will happen someday. I hope things work out with the
family and I=99m sorry to hear of your loss & challeng
es.=0A =0AFly safe,=0A =0A/J=0A =0A=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-serve
r(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Beha
lf Of nico(at)nicsysco.com=0ASent: Monday, September 15, 2014 8:20
PM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Col
orado Springs=0A=0A =0AFolks,=0AWe won't be able to attend this
year either. There was death in my wife's family and one o
ther family member is in ICU for a month already, so takin
g a trip is not on the cards. I will be with you all
in spirit, be sure of that. =0ANext year. =0ANico=0A =0A =0A
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bi-annual flight review this morning and as could be expected
it went exceedingly well.=0A =0AWhile driving back home and co
ntemplating a mental post flight review of my most excellent
performance, it came to my attention that perhaps I have rec
eived more awards in the last several years at our meetings
than anyone else. Due the fact that this will be a very
short flight for me (about an hour and twenty five minute
s) there is no chance of receiving the award for the furth
est flown is only fair to those with a lower skill level
than me, to also eliminate myself from the competition for t
he much coveted GOLDEN PEDAL award. Would someone please be
so kind as to advise me of the times when the judges
for this award will be on the tarmac. With this informati
on an arrival can be scheduled when the judges will not be
on duty, which in turn can give others (though undeserving
them may be) a chance to win this most prestige's award.=0A
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Subject: Re: Colorado Springs
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 16, 2014
=0ANico, =0A =0ASorry to hear of your loss. Will be think
ing of you. =0A =0AHope to see you again someday. =0A =0A
~Jim & Sue=0A =0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: nico <nico
(at)nicsysco.com>=0ATo: commander-list =0ASent:
Mon, Sep 15, 2014 8:20 pm=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Colorad
o Springs=0A=0A=0A=0AFolks,=0AWe won't be able to attend this ye
ar either. There was death in my wife's family and one oth
er family member is in ICU for a month already, so taking
a trip is not on the cards. I will be with you all in
spirit, be sure of that. =0ANext year. =0ANico=0A =0A =0A=0AFr
om: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-s
erver(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills=0ASent: Monday, Septem
ber 15, 2014 6:47 PM=0ATo: commander list=0ASubject: Commander-Lis
t: Colorado Springs=0A=0A =0A=0ACommander Folks:=0A =0AWow! it's l
ater this week. I am so excited that I went for a bi-
annual flight review this morning and as could be expected i
t went exceedingly well.=0A =0AWhile driving back home and con
templating a mental post flight review of my most excellent
performance, it came to my attention that perhaps I have rec
eived more awards in the last several years at our meetings
than anyone else. Due the fact that this will be a very
short flight for me (about an hour and twenty five minute
s) there is no chance of receiving the award for the furth
est flown is only fair to those with a lower skill level
than me, to also eliminate myself from the competition for t
he much coveted GOLDEN PEDAL award. Would someone please be
so kind as to advise me of the times when the judges
for this award will be on the tarmac. With this informati
on an arrival can be scheduled when the judges will not be
on duty, which in turn can give others (though undeserving
them may be) a chance to win this most prestige's award.=0A
=0ASee ya soon!=0A =0AMoe Mills=0AN680RR=0A680F(p)=0A =0A=0A =0A =0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List=0A=0A=0Ahttp://
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Colorado Springs
Date: Sep 16, 2014
Hi Moe,
JimBob says that because he's probably in cahoots with the guys on the
Approach and Tower frequencies.
So, it's probably "eyes & ears" everywhere.
They've probably been asked to make a note if:
A pilot asks for a transmission to be repeated
A pilot doesn't reply to a transmission when they should
A pilot sends a transmission that is ambiguous or cannot be clearly
understood
Or any other transgression of what how an accomplished pilot should fly and
land his aircraft.
Furthermore, they will probably be assisting in the taxiing process too, so
that if no TCFG spy is around, details can be passed on when requested.
So, don't rely on not being the recipient, yet again ;-)
See ya there!!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 16 September 2014 16:14
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Colorado Springs
Moe,
You can fly, but you can't hide! We have eyes everywhere!
~The Grand Poobah
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 15, 2014 6:47 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Colorado Springs
Commander Folks:
Wow! it's later this week. I am so excited that I went for a bi-annual
flight review this morning and as could be expected it went exceedingly
well.
While driving back home and contemplating a mental post flight review of my
most excellent performance, it came to my attention that perhaps I have
received more awards in the last several years at our meetings than anyone
else. Due the fact that this will be a very short flight for me (about an
hour and twenty five minutes) there is no chance of receiving the award for
the furthest flown is only fair to those with a lower skill level than me,
to also eliminate myself from the competition for the much coveted GOLDEN
PEDAL award. Would someone please be so kind as to advise me of the times
when the judges for this award will be on the tarmac. With this
information an arrival can be scheduled when the judges will not be on
duty, which in turn can give others (though undeserving them may be) a
chance to win this most prestige's award.
See ya soon!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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Date: Sep 16, 2014
Subject: Re: Colorado Springs
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
G'day Moe,
I have 'reliable' intel which suggests that your arrival before 4pm
Wednesday would be very safe!
Look forward to seeing you - it is a beautiful Autumn day here in the
Pacific NW!
Cheers
Russell
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Moe Mills
wrote:
> Commander Folks:
>
> Wow! it's later this week. I am so excited that I went for a bi-annual
> flight review this morning and as could be expected it went exceedingly
> well.
>
> While driving back home and contemplating a mental post flight review of
> my most excellent performance, it came to my attention that perhaps I have
> received more awards in the last several years at our meetings than anyone
> else. Due the fact that this will be a very short flight for me (about an
> hour and twenty five minutes) there is no chance of receiving the award for
> the furthest flown is only fair to those with a lower skill level than me,
> to also eliminate myself from the competition for the much coveted GOLDEN
> PEDAL award. Would someone please be so kind as to advise me of the times
> when the judges for this award will be on the tarmac. With this
> information an arrival can be scheduled when the judges will not be on
> duty, which in turn can give others (though undeserving them may be) a
> chance to win this most prestige's award.
>
> See ya soon!
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Colorado Springs
Date: Sep 16, 2014
Barry-Russell=2C
Thanks for the much needed advice. I have been able to use this information
to formulate my plan:
(1) I NEVER call approach control=2C as it is much more expedient to simply
call the tower while turning down wind or better yet while turning base.