Commander-Archive.digest.vol-fj
September 16, 2014 - April 28, 2015
Also=2C rather than report in as N680RR I shall use the number N222JS.
(2) A new battery is being installed in my hearing aid by my audiologist.
( 3) Replace my faulty push to talk switch.
(4) Disguise my pleasing southern accent in order to sound more like a mor
e learned northern pilot.
(5) Departing FMN at about 5:00 AM should get me there early enough.
Again=2C my most humble thanks for helping me give others a chance at the p
rize.
Regards to all=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
| Subject: | Re: Colorado Springs |
| From: | aero560e(at)gmail.com |
G'day Moe=2C
I have 'reliable' intel which suggests that your arrival before 4pm Wednesd
ay would be very safe!
Look forward to seeing you - it is a beautiful Autumn day here in the Pacif
ic NW!
Cheers
Russell
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Commander Folks:
Wow! it's later this week. I am so excited that I went for a bi-annual fli
ght review this morning and as could be expected it went exceedingly well.
While driving back home and contemplating a mental post flight review of my
most excellent performance=2C it came to my attention that perhaps I have
received more awards in the last several years at our meetings than anyone
else. Due the fact that this will be a very short flight for me (about an
hour and twenty five minutes) there is no chance of receiving the award for
the furthest flown is only fair to those with a lower skill level than me
=2C to also eliminate myself from the competition for the much coveted GOLD
EN PEDAL award. Would someone please be so kind as to advise me of the tim
es when the judges for this award will be on the tarmac. With this informa
tion an arrival can be scheduled when the judges will not be on duty=2C whi
ch in turn can give others (though undeserving them may be) a chance to win
this most prestige's award.
See ya soon!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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| From: | "nicoCSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Colorado Springs |
Thanks, John. We'll have to make that meeting happen. I have completed my
book in the meantime and it will be off to the publishers this week. Always
a few things that need tying up until one just closes the folder and sends
it off, regardless.
Many thanks,
Nico
PS. Folks who were at the fly-in, please post you videos, pictures and
comments on the group's facebook page: www.facebook.com/commanderflight or
send them on to me and I'll publish them on your behalf.
N
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Colorado Springs
Well, yet again, N353CC and I won't be able to make it either. Therefore the
"Highest Time Airframe" award will have to go to someone else. Like Nico, I
will be there in spirit, and will miss seeing all of my Commander friends.
Nico, we've yet to meet, but I'm sure it will happen someday. I hope things
work out with the family and I'm sorry to hear of your loss & challenges.
Fly safe,
/J
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
nico(at)nicsysco.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 8:20 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Colorado Springs
Folks,
We won't be able to attend this year either. There was death in my wife's
family and one other family member is in ICU for a month already, so taking
a trip is not on the cards. I will be with you all in spirit, be sure of
that.
Next year.
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 6:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Colorado Springs
Commander Folks:
Wow! it's later this week. I am so excited that I went for a bi-annual
flight review this morning and as could be expected it went exceedingly
well.
While driving back home and contemplating a mental post flight review of my
most excellent performance, it came to my attention that perhaps I have
received more awards in the last several years at our meetings than anyone
else. Due the fact that this will be a very short flight for me (about an
hour and twenty five minutes) there is no chance of receiving the award for
the furthest flown is only fair to those with a lower skill level than me,
to also eliminate myself from the competition for the much coveted GOLDEN
PEDAL award. Would someone please be so kind as to advise me of the times
when the judges for this award will be on the tarmac. With this information
an arrival can be scheduled when the judges will not be on duty, which in
turn can give others (though undeserving them may be) a chance to win this
most prestige's award.
See ya soon!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Can you add the long range (474gal) tanks the 690C and 695 models have to the older
680V's, 690A's and B's?
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Adam
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
You can certainly add the 'slipper' tanks to the 690A & 690B.
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:06 AM, stratobee wrote:
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> Can you add the long range (474gal) tanks the 690C and 695 models have to
> the older 680V's, 690A's and B's?
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Fw: Flying Terminology |
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belleville ; david
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nelson ;
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mege ; sam &
aimee
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:56 PM
Subject: Fw: Flying Terminology
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From: John Mitchell <63whiskey(at)gmail.com<mailto:63whiskey(at)gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:04 PM
Subject: Flying Terminology
Sent from somewhere in the beautiful Catskill Mountains
Begin forwarded message:
Flying Terminology
AIRSPEED - Speed of an airplane. (Deduct at least 25% when listening to
a fighter pilot.)
BANK - An institution that hold the lien on most pilot's cars.
CARBURETOR ICING - A phenomenon reported to the FAA by pilots
immediately after they run out of gas.
CONE OF CONFUSION - An area about the size of New Jersey located near
the final approach fix at an airport.
DEAD RECKONING - You reckon correctly, or you are.
DESTINATION - Geographical location 15 minutes beyond the pilot's
bladder saturation point.
ENGINE FAILURE - A condition that always results when all fuel tanks
mysteriously become filled with low-octane air.
FIREWALL - Section of the aircraft specifically designed to funnel heat
and smoke into the cockpit.
FLIGHT FOLLOWING - 1. Formation flying 2. Bird watching.
GLIDE DISTANCE - Half the distance from an airplane to the nearest
emergency landing field.
HOBBS METER - An instrument requiring an immediate emergency landing if
should it fail during dual instruction.
HYDROPLANE - An airplane landing long and "hot" on a short and very wet
runway.
LEAN MIXTURE - Nonalcoholic beer.
MINI MAG LITE - Device designed to support the AAA battery industry.
NANOSECOND - Time delay between the Low Fuel Warning light and the onset
of carburetor icing (see above).
PARASITIC DRAG - A pilot who bums a ride and complains about the
service.
RICH MIXTURE - What you order at another pilot's promotion party.
ROGER - Used when you have no idea about what else to say.
SECTIONAL CHART - Any chart that ends 25 nm short of your destination.
SERVICE CEILING - Altitude above which the cabin crew cannot serve
drinks.
SPOILERS - 1. FAA Inspectors. 2. Box lunches
STALL - Technique used to explain to the bank why your car payment is
late.
STEEP BANKS - Banks that charge pilots more than 10% interest.
TURN & BANK INDICATOR - An instrument largely ignored by pilots.
USEFUL LOAD - Volumetric capacity of the aircraft, disregarding weight.
WAC CHART - Directions to the Army female barracks.
YANKEE - Any pilot who has to ask New Orleans tower to "Say again".
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This email is free from viruses and malware because avast!
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| Subject: | Fly-In & Commander Spotting |
| From: | "Peter Bichier" <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Hi folks,
As usual it was a special treat to see, hear & live a few days with the usual suspects
of the Commander world. Even though it had been a few years since I had
made it to the meeting, it was just like catching up with family: I was immediately
at ease and received with open arms.
Thanks for every one for coming and specially for those who brought their Commander
and again a great thanks for the speakers and organizers, specially to Jimbob
and Sue: many thanks!
Happy to join the group and very sad being on the ramp as I waved the last plane
good bye.
For those who where there, I came across an Aero Commander (Barry this is specially
for you & thanks for bringing operation StarWatch) by "accident" (don't like
the use of that word) and we sadly can say that another Commander ended its
life last year as a cargo plane...
Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCtdjiTtTW0
I checked the registration and indeed it is a 1959 straight 500 sn819 registered
as N345MP with 'fake' wing tips and ironically piloted by a Canadian Menonite
Pilot (the plot thickens or continues?)
Unfortunately the Venezuelan government has the tendency to make a show and burn
these airplanes...
Thanks Again Commanders and hopefully until next year!
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560 Dreamer
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
=0AA customer is in need of a relay for the AC in his
commander. The part # is FCB-205-BY3, also FCB-205-0122 or
M83536/1-022. If you have one you would be willing to sel
l or know where to get one, please let me know. =0A=0AT
hanks,=0A~Jim Bob =0A360-903-6901=0A
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | THANKS FOR THE SKYDROL |
TODAY TWO CANS OF SKYDROL SHOWED UP AT MY PLACE VIA FedEx WITH NO RETUN ADD
RESS OR NO TRACABLE NUMBERS. A BIG THANKS TO WHO EVER SENT IT TO ME.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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| Subject: | Re: THANKS FOR THE SKYDROL |
| From: | "pbgtutubo ." <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Moe,
I remember hearing someone at the meeting telling you that they had no more
use for it... so it is either Paul or Butch!
It was getting a bit stormy SW of us that day... did you have any problems
coming back?
Hope you have your back seat soon, the old gal looking great!
Peter
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Moe Mills
wrote:
> TODAY TWO CANS OF SKYDROL SHOWED UP AT MY PLACE VIA FedEx WITH NO RETUN
> ADDRESS OR NO TRACABLE NUMBERS. A BIG THANKS TO WHO EVER SENT IT TO ME.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | THANKS FOR THE SKYDROL |
Peter=2C
I remember that too...just couldn't remember who said it. Thanx!
>From Colorado Springs I flew to Broomfield=2C CO (Denver area) was there ab
out an hour and then took off for Farmington. Had to circumnavigate the we
ather a little=2C took about an extra 15 minutes=2C and we had to keep our
seat belts pretty tight=2C not unusual in the Rocky Mts.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
Date: Thu=2C 2 Oct 2014 23:05:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Commander-List: THANKS FOR THE SKYDROL
From: yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM
Moe=2C
I remember hearing someone at the meeting telling you that they had no more
use for it... so it is either Paul or Butch!
It was getting a bit stormy SW of us that day... did you have any problems
coming back?
Hope you have your back seat soon=2C the old gal looking great!
Peter
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N680RR
680F(p)
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| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Fire at Grove Field Airport |
Looks like Captain JimBob was very lucky! Check out the plane in the
background of the video around 1:30.
<http://www.flyingmag.com/news/hangar-fire-destroys-airplanes-washington?cmp
id=enews100914&spPodID=030&spMailingID=21554791&spUserID=NDc4NjIyNTkwNAS2&sp
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Fire at Grove Field Airport |
An awful story to see, and a terrible loss for anyone with an airplane. That
being said, our fleet is so small, it really is a blessing that Jim's
airplane was safe!
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:13 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Fire at Grove Field Airport
Looks like Captain JimBob was very lucky! Check out the plane in the
background of the video around 1:30.
<http://www.flyingmag.com/news/hangar-fire-destroys-airplanes-washington?cmp
id=enews100914
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| Subject: | Re: Fire at Grove Field Airport |
| From: | suemetzger(at)aol.com |
=0AThank you. We feel fortunate that our airplanes and hang
ar were spared. But are hearts are breaking for our frien
ds who lost their planes and the content of their hangars.
In total,10 hangars were burned to the ground with a loss
of 9 airplanes and 4 antique cars. It's surreal to loo
k in a hangar where a plane once was and only see a me
lted piece of the engine block or propellor hub. The only
good news is that everyone was insured. =0A =0A =0A--
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commander-list =0ASent: Thu, Oct 9, 2
014 3:59 pm=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Fire at Grove Field
Airport=0A=0A=0A=0AAn awful story to see, and a terrible loss
for anyone with an airplane. That being said, our fleet is
so small, it really is a blessing that Jim=99s airplane
was safe!=0A =0A=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mail
to:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan=0ASent:
Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:13 PM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
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ooks like Captain JimBob was very lucky! Check out the plane
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Well, it looks like I'm coming back into the fold again - just shook hands virtually
on a Century converted (TPE331-1-151K's) 680V. Taking it to Morris for a
once over in the coming weeks to see that everything is kosher. Hopefully it
won't bankrupt me this turbine business.
If all works out, I look forward to being back in a Commander.
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Adam
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| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
Congratulations, Adam!
If the pre-buy goes well, I think you'll be very happy with your new plane.
Turbines are way more reliable than pistons, and if they're maintained and
kept in good condition, there should be very few surprises. And you gotta
love the 800-hour oil change intervals!
You'll also appreciate that one of the advantages of the 680V is that it's
exempted from SB208A.
I'm curious: with the Century conversion did you also get bleed air
pressurization?
Stan
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:36 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
Well, it looks like I'm coming back into the fold again - just shook hands
virtually on a Century converted (TPE331-1-151K's) 680V. Taking it to Morris
for a once over in the coming weeks to see that everything is kosher.
Hopefully it won't bankrupt me this turbine business.
If all works out, I look forward to being back in a Commander.
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Adam
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Thanks Stan.
Yes, bleed air pressurisation. In fact, with the Century upgrade it's more like
the 681. Still got some Skydrol in there running the gear swing and flaps, but
at least it's less.
If all goes well, I look forward to turbine power and reliability!
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Adam
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| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
Hi Adam,
That's great! I've had my 681 for over 11 years now, and although it's
definitely pricier to feed and maintain than a piston Commander, I couldn't
be happier with it.
Feel free to contact me any time and I'll be happy to share my experiences
and offer you free advice that will be worth every penny you pay for it!
Stan
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:01 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
Thanks Stan.
Yes, bleed air pressurisation. In fact, with the Century upgrade it's more
like the 681. Still got some Skydrol in there running the gear swing and
flaps, but at least it's less.
If all goes well, I look forward to turbine power and reliability!
--------
Adam
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Hi Stan.
Would love to call and talk 681 one day. Please Pm your contact details.
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Adam
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | NEED STARTER PARTS |
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OLD LEAR SIEGLER STARTER MODEL # 20081-000 PART # 20081
-000 THAT THEY WOULD SELL?
THE MOTOR CAN BE IN-OP=2C AS ALL THAT I NEED IS SOME PLANET GEARS..THE SUN
GEAR=2C RING GEAR=2C CLUTCH PACK AND MOTOR ARE ALL GOOD BUT A COUPLE OF THE
PLANET GEARS HAVE BROKEN TEETH. THIS STARTER WAS USED ON SOME OF THE LYCOM
ING GEARED ENGINES.
THANX!
MOE MILLS
N680RR
680F(p)
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| Subject: | FW: 2014 Air Show Budapest |
| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
http://www.flixxy.com/budapest-airshow-2014-highlights.htm
<http://www.flixxy.com/budapest-airshow-2014-highlights.htm>
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| Subject: | Re: NEED STARTER PARTS |
| From: | Randy Dettmer <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hi Moe,
Did you try googling the part number...? I found a Lear Siegler generator f
or my 680F quickly. Good luck.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 19, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Moe Mills wrote
:
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> DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OLD LEAR SIEGLER STARTER MODEL # 20081-000 PART # 2008
1-000 THAT THEY WOULD SELL?
> THE MOTOR CAN BE IN-OP, AS ALL THAT I NEED IS SOME PLANET GEARS..THE SUN G
EAR, RING GEAR, CLUTCH PACK AND MOTOR ARE ALL GOOD BUT A COUPLE OF THE PLANE
T GEARS HAVE BROKEN TEETH. THIS STARTER WAS USED ON SOME OF THE LYCOMING GEA
RED ENGINES.
>
> THANX!
>
> MOE MILLS
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | NEED STARTER PARTS |
Thanx=2C Randy=2C I did google it and only came up with new/rebuilt ones.
The one I have is very low time=2C just broke some gears.....
Subject: Re: Commander-List: NEED STARTER PARTS
From: rcdettmer(at)charter.net
Date: Sun=2C 19 Oct 2014 14:52:50 -0700
Hi Moe=2CDid you try googling the part number...? I found a Lear Siegler
generator for my 680F quickly. Good luck.
Randy Dettmer680F/N6253X
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 19=2C 2014=2C at 9:26 AM=2C Moe Mills
wrote:
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DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OLD LEAR SIEGLER STARTER MODEL # 20081-000 PART # 20081
-000 THAT THEY WOULD SELL?
THE MOTOR CAN BE IN-OP=2C AS ALL THAT I NEED IS SOME PLANET GEARS..THE SUN
GEAR=2C RING GEAR=2C CLUTCH PACK AND MOTOR ARE ALL GOOD BUT A COUPLE OF THE
PLANET GEARS HAVE BROKEN TEETH. THIS STARTER WAS USED ON SOME OF THE LYCOM
ING GEARED ENGINES.
THANX!
MOE MILLS
N680RR
680F(p)
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
Adam, congratulations on getting a Century Turbo. In my opinion they are
the best Turboporp on the market for a private individual.
I have been flying 681's and the other models since 1972 and in fact I was
the certification flight test pilot for the Garrett Century STC. In fact I
still and flying 681's
If you are looking for training, I provide a full flight training school
for your the Century Turbo that is insurance approved and is very much like
a Flight Safety Course.
I can provide you a list of former students if you wish. If you are
interested give me a call at 937-369-3334 or send me an email.
Regards,
Bill Leff
The Commander Acadamy
In a message dated 10/14/2014 11:37:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
adam(at)adamfrisch.com writes:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "stratobee"
Well, it looks like I'm coming back into the fold again - just shook hands
virtually on a Century converted (TPE331-1-151K's) 680V. Taking it to
Morris for a once over in the coming weeks to see that everything is kosher.
Hopefully it won't bankrupt me this turbine business.
If all works out, I look forward to being back in a Commander.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431896#431896
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Hi Bill.
I will certainly consider your training course when the time comes. Still in very
early pre-buy stages and don't know if all will go through yet, as it's also
dependent on the sales of my current aircraft. I will get some training from
the guy that now flies it, but after a thorough phase inspection, I will do a
full insurance approved transition.
Best,
A.
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Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432111#432111
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| From: | =?utf-8?B?bmljb0BuaWNzeXNjby5jb20=?= <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | Bill Leff <BillLeff1(at)aol.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: FW: 2014 Air Show Budapest |
| From: | "pbgtutubo ." <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Wow that's pretty spectacular! I like the B-25 in action taking those
greater than 60 degrees turns!
I had the privilege to go fly in a B-25 at the commands of a young pilot
who was not scared to do those 90 degrees turns; the Gs were quite
impressive, I had a hard time moving my arms to take pictures...
Cool to see a 337 in that situation, there were really popular at our home
base in Caracas in the late 70s and early 80s.
Thanks for posting (hope you made it fine back) and thanks for coming!
I still haven't even downloaded my pictures from my camera... (one of these
days)
have a good one to you both,
p.
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Steele, Bob wrote:
>
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> http://www.flixxy.com/budapest-airshow-2014-highlights.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
It has the bleed air mod. But with Hartzell Q-tips, not Hamilton Standards.
Reg is N171AT.
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Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432148#432148
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| Subject: | CK110 Low Fuel Warning |
| From: | "Harbaugh, Brian" <bharbaugh(at)twincommander.com> |
Good Morning Commander Owners:
As promised at the 2014 Fly-In, I will be reducing the price of the
CK110 Low Fuel Warning Light to $2302. This will be an
unpublished/unadvertised price to members of the forum, friends, or
anyone you tell.
As everyone who attended the 2013 Fly-In remembers, this CK kit will
provide secondary indication of low fuel should the primary system
become unreliable.
The lead time on these kits will be 6-8 weeks and Twin will only pursue
this if we can sell at least 3 kits. Our pricing is at cost and min buy
is 3.
If you require info on this kit, please email me at
bharbaugh(at)twincommander.com. I will send a PDF file of the
documentation.
As always, the kit must be purchased through a Twin Commander Service
Center. A list of Service Centers can be found at www.twincommander.com
and click the Service Center link.
Here's to safe flying.
Regards,
Brian Harbaugh
Customer Service Manager
Twin Commander Aircraft, LLC.
1176 Telecom Drive
Creedmoor, North Carolina 27522 USA
Tel: 919-956-4300
FAX: 919-682-3786
Email: bharbaugh(at)twincommander.com
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During |
November!
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
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RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
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Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
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Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A |
Contribution Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
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I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
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| Subject: | Another one bites the dust... |
| From: | "Peter Bichier" <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Or shall I say another one swallows the mangrove?
Unfortunately another one less around... Luckily the 7 on board survived. 65miles
N. of Venezuela (SVRS) More photos at:
http://diariocontraste.com/es/aeronave-con-siete-tripulantes-se-estrella-en-los-roques-fotos/
I apologies for those who already saw my posting on Facebook but I know not everyone
uses Facebook.
One comment from Oliver Laufer was that was a JetProp 840, SN 11618... That one
in particular was well maintained, had new avionics and nice interior
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560 Dreamer
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433021#433021
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
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581 Jeannie Way
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Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund
Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
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to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
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when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
in December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
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Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
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is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
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Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Flight Levels Magazine |
Barry=2C Jim Bob=2C
Just read the articles by both of you in the Fall 2014 Flight Levels Magazi
ne....Good Stuff!
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Levels Magazine |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Not so good in my book Moe - no special mention of the 2014 *Purple Peddle*
Award or its recipient!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Moe Mills
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> Regards,
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> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
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>
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Flight Levels Magazine |
Obviously J.B is hogging all of the attention for himself. You were mentio
ned as "a long time member from Australia" rather than by name.
Moe
Date: Sat=2C 15 Nov 2014 15:46:29 +0930
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Levels Magazine
From: aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM
Not so good in my book Moe - no special mention of the 2014 Purple Peddle A
ward or its recipient!
Cheers from OzRussell
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Flight Levels Magazine |
| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
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| From: | "nicoCSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Folks,
Pardon my overt abuse of the list, but you all have become friends and I
take the liberty of sharing with you some personal news. We became
citizens in April this year after 21 years as permanent residents. I
spun into the political arena (perhaps deliberately) and compiled from
all the notes and research that I had done over the years in my
fascination with nations and why dynasties rise and fall (or implode)
like the Roman Empire, for example. How is it that Islam is dynamically
unstable causing it to expand with impunity into all walks of life and
how are liberals (Democrat and Republican alike) intellectually siblings
of Islam. For example, there is no such thing as "radical" Islam and
once the origins of that label have been uncovered, many things
happening today can be explained and the next move predicted, which is
the essence of a correct analysis.
During my research I discovered many things which explain what is
happening in the U.S. today. It is a particular concern not only because
we swore an oath to have no other loyalty to any other authority than
the United States which translates into defending and protecting the
founding principles, but also because South Africa was handed over to
Marxist rule without a shot being fired (the massive loss of life
occurred at the hand of the Marxist ANC during the negotiations for a
constitutional settlement to intimidate the negotiators into rushing
into an agreement that favored the ANC), while the majority of the
people (both blacks and whites) were vehemently anti-communist.
When we immigrated to the U.S. in 1993, I recognized the same language
used here that was used in South Africa, with the accompanied violence,
deceit and sleight of hand, which precipitated my research. A few years
ago I started putting my thoughts into a book which was published a few
weeks ago. Last week I was on the Rush Limbaugh Show, which was
headlined on Rush's website and on his facebook page. Reviewers
commented that the real root of the problems facing this nation has
never been properly articulated before, and there is currently no one
that has identified the root causes, which means it cannot be fixed.
Perhaps now it can.
If you wish to take a look at the book go to
http://immensapublishing.com and look at the MEDIA page as well, or you
can Google The Immensa Hypothesis, it fills up the first page. I styled
the book as a fictional novel to allow me the freedom to say what I
wanted and to unpack my research as I see fit. So, don't be discouraged
if you see some fictional characters featured in the book. There is one
particular very prominent guy whom I didn't want to give the
recognition, so he became a fictional character. That'll teach him. :-D
Anyone, I thought I'd just share this with you, and any comment would be
appreciated.
Many thanks,
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hey Nico,
Always interesting to hear your viewpoints. Congratulations on becoming
US citizens..! Your book sounds fascinating. Thanks for sharing with
us Commander folks.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nicoCSS
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 12:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Our country
Folks,
Pardon my overt abuse of the list, but you all have become friends and I
take the liberty of sharing with you some personal news. We became
citizens in April this year after 21 years as permanent residents. I
spun into the political arena (perhaps deliberately) and compiled from
all the notes and research that I had done over the years in my
fascination with nations and why dynasties rise and fall (or implode)
like the Roman Empire, for example. How is it that Islam is dynamically
unstable causing it to expand with impunity into all walks of life and
how are liberals (Democrat and Republican alike) intellectually siblings
of Islam. For example, there is no such thing as "radical" Islam and
once the origins of that label have been uncovered, many things
happening today can be explained and the next move predicted, which is
the essence of a correct analysis.
During my research I discovered many things which explain what is
happening in the U.S. today. It is a particular concern not only because
we swore an oath to have no other loyalty to any other authority than
the United States which translates into defending and protecting the
founding principles, but also because South Africa was handed over to
Marxist rule without a shot being fired (the massive loss of life
occurred at the hand of the Marxist ANC during the negotiations for a
constitutional settlement to intimidate the negotiators into rushing
into an agreement that favored the ANC), while the majority of the
people (both blacks and whites) were vehemently anti-communist.
When we immigrated to the U.S. in 1993, I recognized the same language
used here that was used in South Africa, with the accompanied violence,
deceit and sleight of hand, which precipitated my research. A few years
ago I started putting my thoughts into a book which was published a few
weeks ago. Last week I was on the Rush Limbaugh Show, which was
headlined on Rush's website and on his facebook page. Reviewers
commented that the real root of the problems facing this nation has
never been properly articulated before, and there is currently no one
that has identified the root causes, which means it cannot be fixed.
Perhaps now it can.
If you wish to take a look at the book go to
http://immensapublishing.com and look at the MEDIA page as well, or you
can Google The Immensa Hypothesis, it fills up the first page. I styled
the book as a fictional novel to allow me the freedom to say what I
wanted and to unpack my research as I see fit. So, don't be discouraged
if you see some fictional characters featured in the book. There is one
particular very prominent guy whom I didn't want to give the
recognition, so he became a fictional character. That'll teach him. :-D
Anyone, I thought I'd just share this with you, and any comment would be
appreciated.
Many thanks,
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
Amen!
From: nicoCSS
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 2:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Our country
Folks,
Pardon my overt abuse of the list, but you all have become friends and I
take the liberty of sharing with you some personal news. We became
citizens in April this year after 21 years as permanent residents. I
spun into the political arena (perhaps deliberately) and compiled from
all the notes and research that I had done over the years in my
fascination with nations and why dynasties rise and fall (or implode)
like the Roman Empire, for example. How is it that Islam is dynamically
unstable causing it to expand with impunity into all walks of life and
how are liberals (Democrat and Republican alike) intellectually siblings
of Islam. For example, there is no such thing as "radical" Islam and
once the origins of that label have been uncovered, many things
happening today can be explained and the next move predicted, which is
the essence of a correct analysis.
During my research I discovered many things which explain what is
happening in the U.S. today. It is a particular concern not only because
we swore an oath to have no other loyalty to any other authority than
the United States which translates into defending and protecting the
founding principles, but also because South Africa was handed over to
Marxist rule without a shot being fired (the massive loss of life
occurred at the hand of the Marxist ANC during the negotiations for a
constitutional settlement to intimidate the negotiators into rushing
into an agreement that favored the ANC), while the majority of the
people (both blacks and whites) were vehemently anti-communist.
When we immigrated to the U.S. in 1993, I recognized the same language
used here that was used in South Africa, with the accompanied violence,
deceit and sleight of hand, which precipitated my research. A few years
ago I started putting my thoughts into a book which was published a few
weeks ago. Last week I was on the Rush Limbaugh Show, which was
headlined on Rush's website and on his facebook page. Reviewers
commented that the real root of the problems facing this nation has
never been properly articulated before, and there is currently no one
that has identified the root causes, which means it cannot be fixed.
Perhaps now it can.
If you wish to take a look at the book go to
http://immensapublishing.com and look at the MEDIA page as well, or you
can Google The Immensa Hypothesis, it fills up the first page. I styled
the book as a fictional novel to allow me the freedom to say what I
wanted and to unpack my research as I see fit. So, don't be discouraged
if you see some fictional characters featured in the book. There is one
particular very prominent guy whom I didn't want to give the
recognition, so he became a fictional character. That'll teach him. :-D
Anyone, I thought I'd just share this with you, and any comment would be
appreciated.
Many thanks,
Nico
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11/15/14
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
I think I heard you call in to Rush Limbaugh a few days ago; was that
you Nico?
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
v-man@v-man.net
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Our country
Amen!
From: nicoCSS <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 2:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Our country
Folks,
Pardon my overt abuse of the list, but you all have become friends and I
take the liberty of sharing with you some personal news. We became
citizens in April this year after 21 years as permanent residents. I
spun into the political arena (perhaps deliberately) and compiled from
all the notes and research that I had done over the years in my
fascination with nations and why dynasties rise and fall (or implode)
like the Roman Empire, for example. How is it that Islam is dynamically
unstable causing it to expand with impunity into all walks of life and
how are liberals (Democrat and Republican alike) intellectually siblings
of Islam. For example, there is no such thing as "radical" Islam and
once the origins of that label have been uncovered, many things
happening today can be explained and the next move predicted, which is
the essence of a correct analysis.
During my research I discovered many things which explain what is
happening in the U.S. today. It is a particular concern not only because
we swore an oath to have no other loyalty to any other authority than
the United States which translates into defending and protecting the
founding principles, but also because South Africa was handed over to
Marxist rule without a shot being fired (the massive loss of life
occurred at the hand of the Marxist ANC during the negotiations for a
constitutional settlement to intimidate the negotiators into rushing
into an agreement that favored the ANC), while the majority of the
people (both blacks and whites) were vehemently anti-communist.
When we immigrated to the U.S. in 1993, I recognized the same language
used here that was used in South Africa, with the accompanied violence,
deceit and sleight of hand, which precipitated my research. A few years
ago I started putting my thoughts into a book which was published a few
weeks ago. Last week I was on the Rush Limbaugh Show, which was
headlined on Rush's website and on his facebook page. Reviewers
commented that the real root of the problems facing this nation has
never been properly articulated before, and there is currently no one
that has identified the root causes, which means it cannot be fixed.
Perhaps now it can.
If you wish to take a look at the book go to
http://immensapublishing.com and look at the MEDIA page as well, or you
can Google The Immensa Hypothesis, it fills up the first page. I styled
the book as a fictional novel to allow me the freedom to say what I
wanted and to unpack my research as I see fit. So, don't be discouraged
if you see some fictional characters featured in the book. There is one
particular very prominent guy whom I didn't want to give the
recognition, so he became a fictional character. That'll teach him. :-D
Anyone, I thought I'd just share this with you, and any comment would be
appreciated.
Many thanks,
Nico
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| From: | <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Our country |
Hi Jim,
I wrote two books in the "The Immensa Hypothesis" series, in which I lay
out the real problem facing the U.S. today, not the ignorant view
pandered by the media, politicians of both camps and political
consultants. I am not suggesting that they are deliberately
participating in the demise of this great nation, but they just do not
understand what is happening, thereby allowing the Obama agenda to be
moved forward without any pushback.
Calling Obama incompetent, inept or out of his league should be viewed
with great suspicion if one considers that people who do not take
frivolous risks, have invested a ton of money, time and prestige in this
man while he was a nobody. It was certainly not done due to his
stupidity or incompetence. They saw value in his candidacy for the
highest office. His meteoric rise to the top was not by accident.
On the other hand, in 1919 the Russians created the Communist
International (ComIntern) which has as its stated objective the
establishment of communism as a global power. It had many setbacks, such
as the split in the 1960's between the Asian Communists and the Soviet
Union because the Chinese believed that the Soviets have become too
liberal. It had another major setback at the hands of Ronald Reagan in
1990 when the Soviet Union collapsed. Vladimir Putin, a devout
communist, realized that the communist character of Russia can only be
restored through political means and he promptly resigned from the KGB
and within 10 years he was the president of Russia and instantly
repaired the rift between Russia and China. But, Russia's economy was in
tatters and the people's intellectual and innovative prowess was almost
non-existent. So, he instituted some fundamental capitalist principles,
such as liberty to do business, reduction in the tax rate to 13% flat,
and guess what? The economy boomed (so did crime but that's another
story) and generated an enormous amount of cash and reserves for the
treasury, changing Russia almost overnight into a global powerhouse of
economic activity.
The United States, on the other hand, suffers from a fatal heredity
disease which metastasized throughout its fiber rendering it unable to
function, living mostly in what appears to look like a drunken stupor,
stumbling towards the edge of the cliff. Considering that the U.S. has
been, in its heydays, the only bulwark against the global expansion of
communism, it is now as weak as it will get before succumbing to its
disease.
Do we really believe that Obama, as a narcissist, would ride off into
the sunset after his term, planning to become a non-entity?
Now what should one conclude from these four factors: Obama, Russia,
China and the Middle East? I cite a lot more contributing factors in
Part 1 of my book that will stun the reader. It has been right under our
noses all the time.
If you decide to acquire a copy at http://immensapublishing.com I'd very
much like to hear your take on it.
Many thanks
Nico
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Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Our country
What's going on Nicole, share??
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From: "nico(at)nicsysco.com" <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Our country
Date: Sat, Nov 15, 2014 3:31 PM
Yes, it was, Kerry. I'll be hitting talk shows all over the country next
week.
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------ Original message------
From: Kerry Johnson
Date: Sat, Nov 15, 2014 14:34
Subject:RE: Commander-List: Our country
I think I heard you call in to Rush Limbaugh a few days ago; was that
you Nico?
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Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Our country
Amen!
From: nicoCSS <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 2:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Our country
Folks,
Pardon my overt abuse of the list, but you all have become friends and I
take the liberty of sharing with you some personal news. We became
citizens in April this year after 21 years as permanent residents. I
spun into the political arena (perhaps deliberately) and compiled from
all the notes and research that I had done over the years in my
fascination with nations and why dynasties rise and fall (or implode)
like the Roman Empire, for example. How is it that Islam is dynamically
unstable causing it to expand with impunity into all walks of life and
how are liberals (Democrat and Republican alike) intellectually siblings
of Islam. For example, there is no such thing as "radical" Islam and
once the origins of that label have been uncovered, many things
happening today can be explained and the next move predicted, which is
the essence of a correct analysis.
During my research I discovered many things which explain what is
happening in the U.S. today. It is a particular concern not only because
we swore an oath to have no other loyalty to any other authority than
the United States which translates into defending and protecting the
founding principles, but also because South Africa was handed over to
Marxist rule without a shot being fired (the massive loss of life
occurred at the hand of the Marxist ANC during the negotiations for a
constitutional settlement to intimidate the negotiators into rushing
into an agreement that favored the ANC), while the majority of the
people (both blacks and whites) were vehemently anti-communist.
When we immigrated to the U.S. in 1993, I recognized the same language
used here that was used in South Africa, with the accompanied violence,
deceit and sleight of hand, which precipitated my research. A few years
ago I started putting my thoughts into a book which was published a few
weeks ago. Last week I was on the Rush Limbaugh Show, which was
headlined on Rush's website and on his facebook page. Reviewers
commented that the real root of the problems facing this nation has
never been properly articulated before, and there is currently no one
that has identified the root causes, which means it cannot be fixed.
Perhaps now it can.
If you wish to take a look at the book go to
http://immensapublishing.com and look at the MEDIA page as well, or you
can Google The Immensa Hypothesis, it fills up the first page. I styled
the book as a fictional novel to allow me the freedom to say what I
wanted and to unpack my research as I see fit. So, don't be discouraged
if you see some fictional characters featured in the book. There is one
particular very prominent guy whom I didn't want to give the
recognition, so he became a fictional character. That'll teach him. :-D
Anyone, I thought I'd just share this with you, and any comment would be
appreciated.
Many thanks,
Nico
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Thanks, Randy. I'll keep you guys posted as things develop.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Our country
Hey Nico,
Always interesting to hear your viewpoints. Congratulations on becoming
US citizens..! Your book sounds fascinating. Thanks for sharing with
us Commander folks.
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805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nicoCSS
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 12:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Our country
Folks,
Pardon my overt abuse of the list, but you all have become friends and I
take the liberty of sharing with you some personal news. We became
citizens in April this year after 21 years as permanent residents. I
spun into the political arena (perhaps deliberately) and compiled from
all the notes and research that I had done over the years in my
fascination with nations and why dynasties rise and fall (or implode)
like the Roman Empire, for example. How is it that Islam is dynamically
unstable causing it to expand with impunity into all walks of life and
how are liberals (Democrat and Republican alike) intellectually siblings
of Islam. For example, there is no such thing as "radical" Islam and
once the origins of that label have been uncovered, many things
happening today can be explained and the next move predicted, which is
the essence of a correct analysis.
During my research I discovered many things which explain what is
happening in the U.S. today. It is a particular concern not only because
we swore an oath to have no other loyalty to any other authority than
the United States which translates into defending and protecting the
founding principles, but also because South Africa was handed over to
Marxist rule without a shot being fired (the massive loss of life
occurred at the hand of the Marxist ANC during the negotiations for a
constitutional settlement to intimidate the negotiators into rushing
into an agreement that favored the ANC), while the majority of the
people (both blacks and whites) were vehemently anti-communist.
When we immigrated to the U.S. in 1993, I recognized the same language
used here that was used in South Africa, with the accompanied violence,
deceit and sleight of hand, which precipitated my research. A few years
ago I started putting my thoughts into a book which was published a few
weeks ago. Last week I was on the Rush Limbaugh Show, which was
headlined on Rush's website and on his facebook page. Reviewers
commented that the real root of the problems facing this nation has
never been properly articulated before, and there is currently no one
that has identified the root causes, which means it cannot be fixed.
Perhaps now it can.
If you wish to take a look at the book go to
http://immensapublishing.com and look at the MEDIA page as well, or you
can Google The Immensa Hypothesis, it fills up the first page. I styled
the book as a fictional novel to allow me the freedom to say what I
wanted and to unpack my research as I see fit. So, don't be discouraged
if you see some fictional characters featured in the book. There is one
particular very prominent guy whom I didn't want to give the
recognition, so he became a fictional character. That'll teach him. :-D
Anyone, I thought I'd just share this with you, and any comment would be
appreciated.
Many thanks,
Nico
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www.mypilotstore.com
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| From: | "Michael Orth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Our country |
Hi Jim,
I wrote two books in the "The Immense Hypothesis" series, in which I lay
out the real problem facing the U.S. today, not the ignorant view
pandered by the media, politicians of both camps and political
consultants. I am not suggesting (I am!) that they are deliberately
participating in the demise of this great nation, but they just do not
understand what is happening, (I, respectively, disagree...they know
exactly what they are doing...but they are hoping, in the end, be part
of the "Ruling Class") thereby allowing the Obama agenda to be moved
forward without any pushback.
Calling Obama incompetent, inept or out of his league should be viewed
with great suspicion if one considers that people who do not take
frivolous risks, have invested a ton of money, time and prestige in this
man while he was a nobody (Agreed, he is a complicit, useful idiot). It
was certainly not done due to his stupidity or incompetence. They saw
value in his candidacy for the highest office. His meteoric rise to the
top was not by accident.
On the other hand, in 1919 the Russians created the Communist
International (ComIntern) which has as its stated objective the
establishment of communism as a global power. It had many setbacks, such
as the split in the 1960's between the Asian Communists and the Soviet
Union because the Chinese believed that the Soviets have become too
liberal. It had another major setback at the hands of Ronald Reagan (the
last real President of the USA) in 1990 when the Soviet Union collapsed.
Vladimir Putin, a devout communist, realized that the communist
character of Russia can only be restored through political means and he
promptly resigned from the KGB and within 10 years he was the president
of Russia and instantly repaired the rift between Russia and China. But,
Russia's economy was in tatters and the people's intellectual and
innovative prowess was almost non-existent. So, he instituted some
fundamental capitalist principles, such as liberty to do business,
reduction in the tax rate to 13% flat, and guess what? The economy
boomed [a concept that the current president will not implement] (so did
crime but that's another story) and generated an enormous amount of cash
and reserves for the treasury, changing Russia almost overnight into a
global powerhouse of economic activity.
The United States, on the other hand, suffers from a fatal heredity
disease which metastasized throughout its fiber rendering it unable to
function (by design), living mostly in what appears to look like a
drunken stupor, stumbling towards the edge of the cliff. Considering
that the U.S. has been, in its heydays, the only bulwark against the
global expansion of communism, it is now as weak as it will get before
succumbing to its disease (Trying not to be Pollyanish, there are still
many folks out here who continue to share the basic values that this
nation was founded on. If only they can be mobilized...either in the
form of voting or outright revolution).
Do we really believe that Obama, as a narcissist, would ride off into
the sunset after his term, planning to become a non-entity? (No, don't
be surprised by an internet take-over, declaration of martial law, and
an indefinite third term by Obama.)
Now what should one conclude from these four factors: Obama, Russia,
China and the Middle East? I cite a lot more contributing factors in
Part 1 of my book that will stun the reader. It has been right under our
noses all the time.
If you decide to acquire a copy at http://immensapublishing.com I'd very
much like to hear your take on it.
Many thanks
Nico
Michael
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| From: | "Michael Orth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Our country Typo Correction |
Hi Jim,
I wrote two books in the "The Immense Hypothesis" series, in which I
lay out the real problem facing the U.S. today, not the ignorant view
pandered by the media, politicians of both camps and political
consultants. I am not suggesting (I am!) that they are deliberately
participating in the demise of this great nation, but they just do not
understand what is happening, (I, respectfully, disagree...they know
exactly what they are doing...but they are hoping, in the end, be part
of the "Ruling Class") thereby allowing the Obama agenda to be moved
forward without any pushback.
Calling Obama incompetent, inept or out of his league should be viewed
with great suspicion if one considers that people who do not take
frivolous risks, have invested a ton of money, time and prestige in this
man while he was a nobody (Agreed, he is a complicit, useful idiot). It
was certainly not done due to his stupidity or incompetence. They saw
value in his candidacy for the highest office. His meteoric rise to the
top was not by accident.
On the other hand, in 1919 the Russians created the Communist
International (ComIntern) which has as its stated objective the
establishment of communism as a global power. It had many setbacks, such
as the split in the 1960's between the Asian Communists and the Soviet
Union because the Chinese believed that the Soviets have become too
liberal. It had another major setback at the hands of Ronald Reagan (the
last real President of the USA) in 1990 when the Soviet Union collapsed.
Vladimir Putin, a devout communist, realized that the communist
character of Russia can only be restored through political means and he
promptly resigned from the KGB and within 10 years he was the president
of Russia and instantly repaired the rift between Russia and China. But,
Russia's economy was in tatters and the people's intellectual and
innovative prowess was almost non-existent. So, he instituted some
fundamental capitalist principles, such as liberty to do business,
reduction in the tax rate to 13% flat, and guess what? The economy
boomed [a concept that the current president will not implement] (so did
crime but that's another story) and generated an enormous amount of cash
and reserves for the treasury, changing Russia almost overnight into a
global powerhouse of economic activity.
The United States, on the other hand, suffers from a fatal heredity
disease which metastasized throughout its fiber rendering it unable to
function (by design), living mostly in what appears to look like a
drunken stupor, stumbling towards the edge of the cliff. Considering
that the U.S. has been, in its heydays, the only bulwark against the
global expansion of communism, it is now as weak as it will get before
succumbing to its disease (Trying not to be Pollyanish, there are still
many folks out here who continue to share the basic values that this
nation was founded on. If only they can be mobilized...either in the
form of voting or outright revolution).
Do we really believe that Obama, as a narcissist, would ride off into
the sunset after his term, planning to become a non-entity? (No, don't
be surprised by an internet take-over, declaration of martial law, and
an indefinite third term by Obama.)
Now what should one conclude from these four factors: Obama, Russia,
China and the Middle East? I cite a lot more contributing factors in
Part 1 of my book that will stun the reader. It has been right under our
noses all the time.
If you decide to acquire a copy at http://immensapublishing.com I'd
very much like to hear your take on it.
Many thanks
Nico
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Our country Typo Correction |
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
Nico , will Barns and Noble have your book now ? Gil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 16, 2014, at 8:50 PM, "Michael Orth" wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I wrote two books in the "The Immense Hypothesis" series, in which I lay o
ut the real problem facing the U.S. today, not the ignorant view pandered by
the media, politicians of both camps and political consultants. I am not su
ggesting (I am!) that they are deliberately participating in the demise of t
his great nation, but they just do not understand what is happening, (I, res
pectfully, disagree...they know exactly what they are doing...but they are h
oping, in the end, be part of the "Ruling Class") thereby allowing the Obama
agenda to be moved forward without any pushback.
>
> Calling Obama incompetent, inept or out of his league should be viewed wit
h great suspicion if one considers that people who do not take frivolous ris
ks, have invested a ton of money, time and prestige in this man while he was
a nobody (Agreed, he is a complicit, useful idiot). It was certainly not d
one due to his stupidity or incompetence. They saw value in his candidacy fo
r the highest office. His meteoric rise to the top was not by accident.
>
> On the other hand, in 1919 the Russians created the Communist Internationa
l (ComIntern) which has as its stated objective the establishment of communi
sm as a global power. It had many setbacks, such as the split in the 1960's b
etween the Asian Communists and the Soviet Union because the Chinese believe
d that the Soviets have become too liberal. It had another major setback at t
he hands of Ronald Reagan (the last real President of the USA) in 1990 when t
he Soviet Union collapsed. Vladimir Putin, a devout communist, realized that
the communist character of Russia can only be restored through political me
ans and he promptly resigned from the KGB and within 10 years he was the pre
sident of Russia and instantly repaired the rift between Russia and China. B
ut, Russia's economy was in tatters and the people's intellectual and innova
tive prowess was almost non-existent. So, he instituted some fundamental cap
italist principles, such as liberty to do business, reduction in the tax rat
e to 13% flat, and guess what? The economy boomed [a concept that the curren
t president will not implement] (so did crime but that's another story) and g
enerated an enormous amount of cash and reserves for the treasury, changing R
ussia almost overnight into a global powerhouse of economic activity.
>
> The United States, on the other hand, suffers from a fatal heredity diseas
e which metastasized throughout its fiber rendering it unable to function (b
y design), living mostly in what appears to look like a drunken stupor, stum
bling towards the edge of the cliff. Considering that the U.S. has been, in i
ts heydays, the only bulwark against the global expansion of communism, it i
s now as weak as it will get before succumbing to its disease (Trying not to
be Pollyanish, there are still many folks out here who continue to share th
e basic values that this nation was founded on. If only they can be mobiliz
ed...either in the form of voting or outright revolution).
>
> Do we really believe that Obama, as a narcissist, would ride off into the s
unset after his term, planning to become a non-entity? (No, don't be surpris
ed by an internet take-over, declaration of martial law, and an indefinite t
hird term by Obama.)
>
> Now what should one conclude from these four factors: Obama, Russia, China
and the Middle East? I cite a lot more contributing factors in Part 1 of my
book that will stun the reader. It has been right under our noses all the t
ime.
>
> If you decide to acquire a copy at http://immensapublishing.com I'd very m
uch like to hear your take on it.
>
> Many thanks
> Nico
>
> Michael
>
>
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| From: | <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Our country Typo Correction |
Hi Gil, not yet, only at my publisher (http://immensapublishing.com) and
amazon. We are working on the brick-and-mortar stores.
Thanks for checking in.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil
Walker
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Our country Typo
Correction
Nico , will Barns and Noble have your book now ? Gil
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 16, 2014, at 8:50 PM, "Michael Orth" wrote:
Hi Jim,
I wrote two books in the "The Immense Hypothesis" series, in which I lay
out the real problem facing the U.S. today, not the ignorant view
pandered by the media, politicians of both camps and political
consultants. I am not suggesting (I am!) that they are deliberately
participating in the demise of this great nation, but they just do not
understand what is happening, (I, respectfully, disagree...they know
exactly what they are doing...but they are hoping, in the end, be part
of the "Ruling Class") thereby allowing the Obama agenda to be moved
forward without any pushback.
Calling Obama incompetent, inept or out of his league should be viewed
with great suspicion if one considers that people who do not take
frivolous risks, have invested a ton of money, time and prestige in this
man while he was a nobody (Agreed, he is a complicit, useful idiot). It
was certainly not done due to his stupidity or incompetence. They saw
value in his candidacy for the highest office. His meteoric rise to the
top was not by accident.
On the other hand, in 1919 the Russians created the Communist
International (ComIntern) which has as its stated objective the
establishment of communism as a global power. It had many setbacks, such
as the split in the 1960's between the Asian Communists and the Soviet
Union because the Chinese believed that the Soviets have become too
liberal. It had another major setback at the hands of Ronald Reagan (the
last real President of the USA) in 1990 when the Soviet Union collapsed.
Vladimir Putin, a devout communist, realized that the communist
character of Russia can only be restored through political means and he
promptly resigned from the KGB and within 10 years he was the president
of Russia and instantly repaired the rift between Russia and China. But,
Russia's economy was in tatters and the people's intellectual and
innovative prowess was almost non-existent. So, he instituted some
fundamental capitalist principles, such as liberty to do business,
reduction in the tax rate to 13% flat, and guess what? The economy
boomed [a concept that the current president will not implement] (so did
crime but that's another story) and generated an enormous amount of cash
and reserves for the treasury, changing Russia almost overnight into a
global powerhouse of economic activity.
The United States, on the other hand, suffers from a fatal heredity
disease which metastasized throughout its fiber rendering it unable to
function (by design), living mostly in what appears to look like a
drunken stupor, stumbling towards the edge of the cliff. Considering
that the U.S. has been, in its heydays, the only bulwark against the
global expansion of communism, it is now as weak as it will get before
succumbing to its disease (Trying not to be Pollyanish, there are still
many folks out here who continue to share the basic values that this
nation was founded on. If only they can be mobilized...either in the
form of voting or outright revolution).
Do we really believe that Obama, as a narcissist, would ride off into
the sunset after his term, planning to become a non-entity? (No, don't
be surprised by an internet take-over, declaration of martial law, and
an indefinite third term by Obama.)
Now what should one conclude from these four factors: Obama, Russia,
China and the Middle East? I cite a lot more contributing factors in
Part 1 of my book that will stun the reader. It has been right under our
noses all the time.
If you decide to acquire a copy at http://immensapublishing.com I'd very
much like to hear your take on it.
Many thanks
Nico
Michael
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| From: | <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Our country Typo Correction |
Hi Michael,
Thanks for taking the trouble of airing your comments.
The reason I am not suggesting that liberals know what they are doing,
specifically, is, as I detail in my book, that they are totalitarians at
heart and have not yet forgiven True Americans for the rebellion against
their King on 16 December 1773. That is why they show a lot more
sympathy for Saddam Hussein, Hugo Chavez, and other dictators, but froth
at the mouth of any mention of true Americans or the concept of
Americanism.
So, in their core beliefs they are deliberately participating in the
demise of this nation, but whether they realize that it is happening
with their consent and active participation of their hate for us, is
debatable. They are not called useful idiots for no reason. Remember, I
argue, they are blinded by their loyalty to the Scepter, which lacks any
presence in the United States. Obama shows through his actions the
presence of a scepter and their knees buckle in awe.
Saying that there are "many" folks out there who share the basic values
of this nation is an understatement. I believe the vast majority of the
folks would much rather be True Americans than anything else but with
less than 10% trust in the leadership what else does one expect?
Leadership, per se, is also a misnomer. Elected officials are
emissaries, not people who are elected to power.
Reading part 1 of The Immensa Hypothesis will put their actions and
motivation in perspective and once we grasp the root of the problem we
have a chance of dismantling and fixing it. You did very well
identifying it, I am putting it in perspective in preparation for the
solution.
I propose the solution in Part 2 subtitled The Second Exodus.
Thanks
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Orth
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Our country Typo
Correction
Hi Jim,
I wrote two books in the "The Immense Hypothesis" series, in which I lay
out the real problem facing the U.S. today, not the ignorant view
pandered by the media, politicians of both camps and political
consultants. I am not suggesting (I am!) that they are deliberately
participating in the demise of this great nation, but they just do not
understand what is happening, (I, respectfully, disagree...they know
exactly what they are doing...but they are hoping, in the end, be part
of the "Ruling Class") thereby allowing the Obama agenda to be moved
forward without any pushback.
Calling Obama incompetent, inept or out of his league should be viewed
with great suspicion if one considers that people who do not take
frivolous risks, have invested a ton of money, time and prestige in this
man while he was a nobody (Agreed, he is a complicit, useful idiot). It
was certainly not done due to his stupidity or incompetence. They saw
value in his candidacy for the highest office. His meteoric rise to the
top was not by accident.
On the other hand, in 1919 the Russians created the Communist
International (ComIntern) which has as its stated objective the
establishment of communism as a global power. It had many setbacks, such
as the split in the 1960's between the Asian Communists and the Soviet
Union because the Chinese believed that the Soviets have become too
liberal. It had another major setback at the hands of Ronald Reagan (the
last real President of the USA) in 1990 when the Soviet Union collapsed.
Vladimir Putin, a devout communist, realized that the communist
character of Russia can only be restored through political means and he
promptly resigned from the KGB and within 10 years he was the president
of Russia and instantly repaired the rift between Russia and China. But,
Russia's economy was in tatters and the people's intellectual and
innovative prowess was almost non-existent. So, he instituted some
fundamental capitalist principles, such as liberty to do business,
reduction in the tax rate to 13% flat, and guess what? The economy
boomed [a concept that the current president will not implement] (so did
crime but that's another story) and generated an enormous amount of cash
and reserves for the treasury, changing Russia almost overnight into a
global powerhouse of economic activity.
The United States, on the other hand, suffers from a fatal heredity
disease which metastasized throughout its fiber rendering it unable to
function (by design), living mostly in what appears to look like a
drunken stupor, stumbling towards the edge of the cliff. Considering
that the U.S. has been, in its heydays, the only bulwark against the
global expansion of communism, it is now as weak as it will get before
succumbing to its disease (Trying not to be Pollyanish, there are still
many folks out here who continue to share the basic values that this
nation was founded on. If only they can be mobilized...either in the
form of voting or outright revolution).
Do we really believe that Obama, as a narcissist, would ride off into
the sunset after his term, planning to become a non-entity? (No, don't
be surprised by an internet take-over, declaration of martial law, and
an indefinite third term by Obama.)
Now what should one conclude from these four factors: Obama, Russia,
China and the Middle East? I cite a lot more contributing factors in
Part 1 of my book that will stun the reader. It has been right under our
noses all the time.
If you decide to acquire a copy at http://immensapublishing.com I'd very
much like to hear your take on it.
Many thanks
Nico
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I thought what you said was very interesting, but it seemed like Rush
didn=99t give it much thought. I hope he will look deeper and talk
about your book and theory more.
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------ Original message------
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Date: Sat, Nov 15, 2014 14:34
Subject:RE: Commander-List: Our country
I think I heard you call in to Rush Limbaugh a few days ago; was that
you Nico?
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Subject: Commander-List: Our country
Folks,
Pardon my overt abuse of the list, but you all have become friends and I
take the liberty of sharing with you some personal news. We became
citizens in April this year after 21 years as permanent residents. I
spun into the political arena (perhaps deliberately) and compiled from
all the notes and research that I had done over the years in my
fascination with nations and why dynasties rise and fall (or implode)
like the Roman Empire, for example. How is it that Islam is dynamically
unstable causing it to expand with impunity into all walks of life and
how are liberals (Democrat and Republican alike) intellectually siblings
of Islam. For example, there is no such thing as "radical" Islam and
once the origins of that label have been uncovered, many things
happening today can be explained and the next move predicted, which is
the essence of a correct analysis.
During my research I discovered many things which explain what is
happening in the U.S. today. It is a particular concern not only because
we swore an oath to have no other loyalty to any other authority than
the United States which translates into defending and protecting the
founding principles, but also because South Africa was handed over to
Marxist rule without a shot being fired (the massive loss of life
occurred at the hand of the Marxist ANC during the negotiations for a
constitutional settlement to intimidate the negotiators into rushing
into an agreement that favored the ANC), while the majority of the
people (both blacks and whites) were vehemently anti-communist.
When we immigrated to the U.S. in 1993, I recognized the same language
used here that was used in South Africa, with the accompanied violence,
deceit and sleight of hand, which precipitated my research. A few years
ago I started putting my thoughts into a book which was published a few
weeks ago. Last week I was on the Rush Limbaugh Show, which was
headlined on Rush's website and on his facebook page. Reviewers
commented that the real root of the problems facing this nation has
never been properly articulated before, and there is currently no one
that has identified the root causes, which means it cannot be fixed.
Perhaps now it can.
If you wish to take a look at the book go to
http://immensapublishing.com and look at the MEDIA page as well, or you
can Google The Immensa Hypothesis, it fills up the first page. I styled
the book as a fictional novel to allow me the freedom to say what I
wanted and to unpack my research as I see fit. So, don't be discouraged
if you see some fictional characters featured in the book. There is one
particular very prominent guy whom I didn't want to give the
recognition, so he became a fictional character. That'll teach him. :-D
Anyone, I thought I'd just share this with you, and any comment would be
appreciated.
Many thanks,
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| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
I am watching the news and they just showed video of a T Commander wreck in Chicago.
The tail N30MD is registered to Cental Airlines in Kansas. Please keep
the Towners in your prayers, plus pilot and family and those on the ground.
Dan
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> From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Our country
>
> I thought what you said was very interesting, but it seemed like Rush
> didn=99t give it much thought. I hope he will look deeper and talk
> about your book and theory more.
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Our country
>
>
> Yes, it was, Kerry. I'll be hitting talk shows all over the country next
> week.
>
>
> Sent on the new Sprint Network.
>
>
> ------ Original message------
>
> From: Kerry Johnson
>
>
>
> Subject:RE: Commander-List: Our country
>
>
> I think I heard you call in to Rush Limbaugh a few days ago; was that
> you Nico?
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> v-man@v-man.net
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Our country
>
>
> Amen!
>
>
> From: nicoCSS <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 2:08 PM
>
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Our country
>
>
> Folks,
>
>
> Pardon my overt abuse of the list, but you all have become friends and I
> take the liberty of sharing with you some personal news. We became
> citizens in April this year after 21 years as permanent residents. I
> spun into the political arena (perhaps deliberately) and compiled from
> all the notes and research that I had done over the years in my
> fascination with nations and why dynasties rise and fall (or implode)
> like the Roman Empire, for example. How is it that Islam is dynamically
> unstable causing it to expand with impunity into all walks of life and
> how are liberals (Democrat and Republican alike) intellectually siblings
> of Islam. For example, there is no such thing as "radical" Islam and
> once the origins of that label have been uncovered, many things
> happening today can be explained and the next move predicted, which is
> the essence of a correct analysis.
>
>
> During my research I discovered many things which explain what is
> happening in the U.S. today. It is a particular concern not only because
> we swore an oath to have no other loyalty to any other authority than
> the United States which translates into defending and protecting the
> founding principles, but also because South Africa was handed over to
> Marxist rule without a shot being fired (the massive loss of life
> occurred at the hand of the Marxist ANC during the negotiations for a
> constitutional settlement to intimidate the negotiators into rushing
> into an agreement that favored the ANC), while the majority of the
> people (both blacks and whites) were vehemently anti-communist.
>
>
> When we immigrated to the U.S. in 1993, I recognized the same language
> used here that was used in South Africa, with the accompanied violence,
> deceit and sleight of hand, which precipitated my research. A few years
> ago I started putting my thoughts into a book which was published a few
> weeks ago. Last week I was on the Rush Limbaugh Show, which was
> headlined on Rush's website and on his facebook page. Reviewers
> commented that the real root of the problems facing this nation has
> never been properly articulated before, and there is currently no one
> that has identified the root causes, which means it cannot be fixed.
> Perhaps now it can.
>
>
> If you wish to take a look at the book go to
> http://immensapublishing.com and look at the MEDIA page as well, or you
> can Google The Immensa Hypothesis, it fills up the first page. I styled
> the book as a fictional novel to allow me the freedom to say what I
> wanted and to unpack my research as I see fit. So, don't be discouraged
> if you see some fictional characters featured in the book. There is one
> particular very prominent guy whom I didn't want to give the
> recognition, so he became a fictional character. That'll teach him. :-D
>
>
> Anyone, I thought I'd just share this with you, and any comment would be
> appreciated.
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
> Nico
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/17/14 |
Saw the video this morning on the news too. Recognized the tail of a Twin
Commander. Our prayers go out to those involved.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 5:44 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/17/14
I am watching the news and they just showed video of a T Commander wreck in
Chicago. The tail N30MD is registered to Cental Airlines in Kansas. Please
keep the Towners in your prayers, plus pilot and family and those on the
ground.
Dan
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> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Our country
>
> I thought what you said was very interesting, but it seemed like Rush
> didn=99t give it much thought. I hope he will look deeper and talk
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>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
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> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 4:32 PM
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> Yes, it was, Kerry. I'll be hitting talk shows all over the country
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>
>
> Sent on the new Sprint Network.
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>
> ------ Original message------
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> From: Kerry Johnson
>
>
>
> Subject:RE: Commander-List: Our country
>
>
> I think I heard you call in to Rush Limbaugh a few days ago; was that
> you Nico?
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Our country
>
>
> Amen!
>
>
> From: nicoCSS <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 2:08 PM
>
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Our country
>
>
> Folks,
>
>
> Pardon my overt abuse of the list, but you all have become friends and
> I take the liberty of sharing with you some personal news. We became
> citizens in April this year after 21 years as permanent residents. I
> spun into the political arena (perhaps deliberately) and compiled from
> all the notes and research that I had done over the years in my
> fascination with nations and why dynasties rise and fall (or implode)
> like the Roman Empire, for example. How is it that Islam is
> dynamically unstable causing it to expand with impunity into all walks
> of life and how are liberals (Democrat and Republican alike)
> intellectually siblings of Islam. For example, there is no such thing
> as "radical" Islam and once the origins of that label have been
> uncovered, many things happening today can be explained and the next
> move predicted, which is the essence of a correct analysis.
>
>
> During my research I discovered many things which explain what is
> happening in the U.S. today. It is a particular concern not only
> because we swore an oath to have no other loyalty to any other
> authority than the United States which translates into defending and
> protecting the founding principles, but also because South Africa was
> handed over to Marxist rule without a shot being fired (the massive
> loss of life occurred at the hand of the Marxist ANC during the
> negotiations for a constitutional settlement to intimidate the
> negotiators into rushing into an agreement that favored the ANC),
> while the majority of the people (both blacks and whites) were vehemently
anti-communist.
>
>
> When we immigrated to the U.S. in 1993, I recognized the same language
> used here that was used in South Africa, with the accompanied
> violence, deceit and sleight of hand, which precipitated my research.
> A few years ago I started putting my thoughts into a book which was
> published a few weeks ago. Last week I was on the Rush Limbaugh Show,
> which was headlined on Rush's website and on his facebook page.
> Reviewers commented that the real root of the problems facing this
> nation has never been properly articulated before, and there is
> currently no one that has identified the root causes, which means it
cannot be fixed.
> Perhaps now it can.
>
>
> If you wish to take a look at the book go to
> http://immensapublishing.com and look at the MEDIA page as well, or
> you can Google The Immensa Hypothesis, it fills up the first page. I
> styled the book as a fictional novel to allow me the freedom to say
> what I wanted and to unpack my research as I see fit. So, don't be
> discouraged if you see some fictional characters featured in the book.
> There is one particular very prominent guy whom I didn't want to give
> the recognition, so he became a fictional character. That'll teach
> him. :-D
>
>
> Anyone, I thought I'd just share this with you, and any comment would
> be appreciated.
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> Many thanks,
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> Nico
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| Subject: | lost another Commander |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
=0AOur hearts are broken for the Towners in the loss of an
other airplane and pilot. Please say a prayer for them an
d the family of the pilot. =0A=0Ahttp://www.cbsnews.com/news/small-p
lane-crashes-into-chicago-home/. =0A
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| Subject: | Sad News too close to home |
| From: | "Peter Bichier" <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Folks,
Very sad to inform that this morning at 2:45 outside of Chicago Midway International
N30MB (500B) went down and crashed into a home. It seems the young pilot
lost the left engine and was trying to make it back to the runway.
Luckily the couple sleeping in their bedroom were untouched, unfortunately by looking
at the plane's attitude it seems the pilot stalled and lost control trying
to save the plane.
Sad day for all, specially for Central Air.
My condoleances to the young pilot's family and to John and Andrew.
The news is all over the web including front page of the NTSB. One of these clips
has the ATC recording; he was very calm and seemed to have the situation under
control. The chief fire fighter mentions that there was leaking fuel on the
living room.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-midway-plane-crash-20141118-story.html
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-midway-plane-crash-283026581.html
http://wgntv.com/2014/11/18/small-plane-crashes-into-a-home-near-midway-airport/
Hopefully we can learn from this tragedy
--------
560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433986#433986
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| Subject: | Re: Sad News too close to home |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Hi Peter,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention - our thoughts and prayers are
with Andrew and John and the Central Air family.
An amazing twist that it involved the aeroplane registered in recognition
of the late Murray Brown, Central Air's former Manager Operations.
A very sad day indeed!
Russell
On Wednesday, November 19, 2014, Peter Bichier wrote:
> >
>
> Folks,
>
> Very sad to inform that this morning at 2:45 outside of Chicago Midway
> International N30MB (500B) went down and crashed into a home. It seems the
> young pilot lost the left engine and was trying to make it back to the
> runway.
>
> Luckily the couple sleeping in their bedroom were untouched, unfortunately
> by looking at the plane's attitude it seems the pilot stalled and lost
> control trying to save the plane.
>
> Sad day for all, specially for Central Air.
>
> My condoleances to the young pilot's family and to John and Andrew.
>
> The news is all over the web including front page of the NTSB. One of
> these clips has the ATC recording; he was very calm and seemed to have the
> situation under control. The chief fire fighter mentions that there was
> leaking fuel on the living room.
>
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-midway-plane-crash-20141118-story.html
>
>
> http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-midway-plane-crash-283026581.html
>
>
> http://wgntv.com/2014/11/18/small-plane-crashes-into-a-home-near-midway-airport/
>
> Hopefully we can learn from this tragedy
>
> --------
> 560 Dreamer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433986#433986
>
>
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| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
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| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Nico,
When you are defending freedom there can be no excesses! Now, after that support
where is my free copy? Just kidding. Hope to actually meet you some day.
God Speed
Dan
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| From: | <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
Thank you, Dan.
The country is at a cross-roads and a lot of folks are oblivious to the direction
O is taking this country. I was stunned when my research pointed and continue
to point at what I wrote in my book.
South Africa was handed over to communist rule without a shot being fired. The
same language we heard back in the 1970's to push the majority of the people,
black and white, who were fierce anti-communists, off their fundamental principles.
Keep up the good fight and we will prevail.
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:43 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Freedom
Nico,
When you are defending freedom there can be no excesses! Now, after that support
where is my free copy? Just kidding. Hope to actually meet you some day.
God Speed
Dan
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from
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That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a lot
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each year during the month of November where I simply send out a short email
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Many members choose not to contribute and that's fine.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left... |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Behind By 20% - Please Contribute Today! |
Dear Listers,
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Plane goes up to Morris for pre-buy on Wed. Wish us luck.
I have ridiculously vain question - on the later 690's and 695's it seems like
the prop spinner is slightly more "pointy" than an on the earlier models. Is this
just a swap of spinner, or a different prop hub?
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434571#434571
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| From: | <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
Hi Adam,
On the 680T/V/W/681, the spinners are painted fiberglass, whereas I believe they
are aluminum on the 690 and up. I don't know if the backing plates and spinners
from a 690 will fit over your prop hubs and blade roots. My first guess is
that they would, but you'd probably have to do a full engineering study and get
the FSDO to approve it on a 337 form. Also, you'd be changing the airflow patterns
over the nacelle and into the inlet, and the rotating mass of the prop/spinner
combination. Whether that would make any real-world difference is anyone's
guess.
Good luck on the pre-buy! As long as all of the maintenance is up-to-date and the
SBs and ADs are complied with, I think it will turn out to be a smooth inspection
with few, if any, surprises.
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
>From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
>Sent: Nov 24, 2014 9:04 AM
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
>
>
>Plane goes up to Morris for pre-buy on Wed. Wish us luck.
>
>I have ridiculously vain question - on the later 690's and 695's it seems like
the prop spinner is slightly more "pointy" than an on the earlier models. Is
this just a swap of spinner, or a different prop hub?
>
>--------
>Adam
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434571#434571
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Lost Another One |
| From: | suemetzger(at)aol.com |
=0ASad to say there was another fatal crash in a Commander
yesterday. =0A=0Ahttp://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Plane-Crash-Near-Bastrop-K
ills-One-Man-283641441.html=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming |
Soon!
Dear Listers,
There's just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser and that means
the List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | Nick Martin <nick(at)container.com> |
Hi Adam
I have the new type spinners on my 690A . Give me a call and I will show
them to you. ( I am at KEMT as you are ) my cell is 310 386 8333nick
martin n674nm
From: <BillLeff1(at)aol.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
If this plane has Hartzell props it has aluminum spinners but they are not
the pointy ones. The pointy ones come on the new wide cord Hartzell props o
n
the 690/695 series.
Bill Leff
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Nov 24, 2014 2:57 PM, swperk(at)earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> On the 680T/V/W/681, the spinners are painted fiberglass, whereas I belie
ve
> they are aluminum on the 690 and up. I don't know if the backing plates a
nd
> spinners from a 690 will fit over your prop hubs and blade roots. My firs
t
> guess is that they would, but you'd probably have to do a full engineerin
g
> study and get the FSDO to approve it on a 337 form. Also, you'd be changi
ng
> the airflow patterns over the nacelle and into the inlet, and the rotatin
g
> mass of the prop/spinner combination. Whether that would make any real-wo
rld
> difference is anyone's guess.
>
> Good luck on the pre-buy! As long as all of the maintenance is up-to-date
and
> the SBs and ADs are complied with, I think it will turn out to be a smoot
h
> inspection with few, if any, surprises.
>
> Regards,
> Stan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
>> >Sent: Nov 24, 2014 9:04 AM
>> >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> >Subject: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
>> >
>> >
>> >Plane goes up to Morris for pre-buy on Wed. Wish us luck.
>> >
>> >I have ridiculously vain question - on the later 690's and 695's it see
ms
>> like the prop spinner is slightly more "pointy" than an on the earlier
>> models. Is this just a swap of spinner, or a different prop hub?
>> >
>> >--------
>> >Adam
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434571#434571
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Giving Thanks - Your List Contribution... |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind... |
Dear Listers,
There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. We are still
way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions and total contribution
amount. I really want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt
community, but it take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep
pockets to keep the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the
Fund Raiser that keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today.
If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time
to do it!
Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution
web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a check in the mail:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming |
Soon!
Dear Listers,
There's just two more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser and that means
the List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly
thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again
- 51, so don't reminde me! :-) But it also means that it's that last official
day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about
picking up one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump
on it!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Matt,
$35 coming your way...wish it was more but tight year.
Thanks,
Ken Hyde
In a message dated 11/30/2014 1:38:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dralle(at)matronics.com writes:
--> Commander-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Dear Listers,
It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my
birthday again - 51, so don't reminde me! :-) But it also means that it's that
last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been
thinking about picking up one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the
time to jump on it!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been
putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll
probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this
operation running and I don't ever forget it.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit
by making your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Thank you, Ken. Every little bit helps! It is much appreciated!
Matt
At 11:40 AM 11/30/2014 Sunday, you wrote:
>Matt,
>
>$35 coming your way...wish it was more but tight year.
>
>Thanks,
>Ken Hyde
>
>
>In a message dated 11/30/2014 1:38:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dralle(at)matronics.com
writes:
>
>Dear Listers,
>
>It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday
again - 51, so don't reminde me! :-) But it also means that it's that last official
day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about
picking up one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump
on it!!
>
>If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
>
>I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
>
>I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year
in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it.
>
>The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by
making your Contribution right now:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
>
> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
>
>Thank you to all in advance!
>
>Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
J. B.
Any update on whether we may combine with Twin Commander in Savanna...you k
now how we semi-retired people are...we must make plans far in advance.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Hi Nick.
Nice to meet you briefly the other day. I'll give you a call one day and maybe
come have a look at the 690.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435336#435336
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
=0AWe haven't heard from the factory yet so not feeling opti
mistic about it. =0A =0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom:
Moe Mills =0ATo: commander list =0ASent: Tue, Dec 2, 2014 11:24 am=0ASubject:
Commander-List: SAVANNA?=0A=0A=0A=0AJ. B.=0A =0AAny update on whethe
r we may combine with Twin Commander in Savanna...you know h
ow we semi-retired people are...we must make plans far in ad
vance.=0A =0AMoe Mills=0AN680RR=0A680F(p)=0A =0A
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| Subject: | What do you say Farmer? |
| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm5kv9PH4xA
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/16/14 |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm holding your sign hostage!
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 17, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
>
> *
>
> =================================================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> =================================================
>
> Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 14-12-16&Archive=Commander
>
> Text Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 14-12-16&Archive=Commander
>
>
> ===============================================
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> ===============================================
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Commander-List Digest Archive
> ---
> Total Messages Posted Tue 12/16/14: 1
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 12:37 PM - What do you say Farmer? (Steele, Bob)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Commander-List: What do you say Farmer?
> From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm5kv9PH4xA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
J. B.
ANY WORD ON WHEATHER WE ARE GOING TO MEET IN SAVANA DURING THE TWIN COMMAND
ER UNIVERSITY MEETING?
MOE MILLS
N680RR
680F(p)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/17/14 |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Moe, you should know that 100LL and Jet A do not mix. In other words the peasants
........... however, KLAL ie SUN N FUN is 203nm south of KSAV the same week
end. We might be late on getting rooms but we can camp under our wings- ok
camping was dumb idea! I'm willing to consider. Been three times and Oshkosh
once, like S N F better because weather is not near as hot. Better yet we could
crash (poor choice of words) KSAV it is a wonderful city then drop down to
KLAL. Fuel is going to be cheap
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
>
> *
>
> =================================================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> =================================================
>
> Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 14-12-17&Archive=Commander
>
> Text Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 14-12-17&Archive=Commander
>
>
> ===============================================
> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> ===============================================
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Commander-List Digest Archive
> ---
> Total Messages Posted Wed 12/17/14: 2
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 05:17 AM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/16/14 (Dan)
> 2. 12:31 PM - SAVANA, GA. (Moe Mills)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/16/14
> From: Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
>
>
> I'm holding your sign hostage!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Commander-List Digest Server
>> wrote:
>>
>> *
>>
>> ================================================
>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>> ================================================
>>
>> Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the
>> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
>> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
>> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
>> of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
>> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>
>> HTML Version:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 14-12-16&Archive=Commander
>>
>> Text Version:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 14-12-16&Archive=Commander
>>
>>
>> ==============================================
>> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
>> ==============================================
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Commander-List Digest Archive
>> ---
>> Total Messages Posted Tue 12/16/14: 1
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>> 1. 12:37 PM - What do you say Farmer? (Steele, Bob)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Commander-List: What do you say Farmer?
>> From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm5kv9PH4xA
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: SAVANA, GA.
>
> J. B.
>
> ANY WORD ON WHEATHER WE ARE GOING TO MEET IN SAVANA DURING THE TWIN COMMAND
> ER UNIVERSITY MEETING?
>
> MOE MILLS
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
I lied it is 252nm, never trust my memory
Sent from my iPad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Dear forumites.
It is with great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills was involved in
a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM end of last week. He was in a head
on car crash with some female delinquents escaping from the cops in a car that
had the headlights turned off. Both the girls died and Moe is in critical
condition.
I share the same mechanics since many years with Moe and it was they who told me.
Most of this third hand information, so don't know too many details and don't
know exactly what is correct. I ask his family for forgiveness if I get it
wrong or for mentioning it here, but I know Moe was a good friend of many on this
board. Suffice to say it has affected me personally as Moe was always such
a great, vital and funny human being to be around. It was always a joy to see
him. And at 70, he was fitter than I ever will be.
He is off life support - but do not know if that means there's no more hope, or
he's doing better. Hopefully the latter and time will tell. If you're religious,
I think it would be time to include him in your prayers. Hope Moe can pull
through.
/Adam
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436075#436075
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| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
G'day Adam,
Thankyou for sharing this tragic news with us and our thoughts and prayers
are immediately with Moe and hoping that he makes a full and speedy
recovery.
Moe is one part of a very special family which will do whatever it can to
assist him in future days and weeks.
Get better in leaps Moe!!
Cheers
Russell
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:36 PM, stratobee wrote:
>
> Dear forumites.
>
> It is with great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills was
> involved in a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM end of last week.
> He was in a head on car crash with some female delinquents escaping from
> the cops in a car that had the headlights turned off. Both the girls died
> and Moe is in critical condition.
>
> I share the same mechanics since many years with Moe and it was they who
> told me. Most of this third hand information, so don't know too many
> details and don't know exactly what is correct. I ask his family for
> forgiveness if I get it wrong or for mentioning it here, but I know Moe was
> a good friend of many on this board. Suffice to say it has affected me
> personally as Moe was always such a great, vital and funny human being to
> be around. It was always a joy to see him. And at 70, he was fitter than I
> ever will be.
>
> He is off life support - but do not know if that means there's no more
> hope, or he's doing better. Hopefully the latter and time will tell. If
> you're religious, I think it would be time to include him in your prayers.
> Hope Moe can pull through.
>
> /Adam
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436075#436075
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello Adam,
This is really sad news.
He's most certainly going to be in our prayers.
Is there any way to find out how Moe is?
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stratobee
Sent: 24 December 2014 09:06
Subject: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
Dear forumites.
It is with great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills was
involved in a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM end of last
week. He was in a head on car crash with some female delinquents
escaping from the cops in a car that had the headlights turned off.
Both the girls died and Moe is in critical condition.
I share the same mechanics since many years with Moe and it was they
who told me. Most of this third hand information, so don't know too
many details and don't know exactly what is correct. I ask his family
for forgiveness if I get it wrong or for mentioning it here, but I
know Moe was a good friend of many on this board. Suffice to say it
has affected me personally as Moe was always such a great, vital and
funny human being to be around. It was always a joy to see him. And at
70, he was fitter than I ever will be.
He is off life support - but do not know if that means there's no more
hope, or he's doing better. Hopefully the latter and time will tell.
If you're religious, I think it would be time to include him in your
prayers. Hope Moe can pull through.
/Adam
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436075#436075
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Thompson" <Richard(at)flycorp.com.au> |
Hi All,
I contacted University Hospital where Moe was sent. They informed me that he
was discharged on 22nd. I am trying to get in contact with him. Buddy is
also on the trail.
Cheers,
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello Adam,
This is really sad news.
He's most certainly going to be in our prayers.
Is there any way to find out how Moe is?
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: 24 December 2014 09:06
Subject: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
Dear forumites.
It is with great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills was involved
in a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM end of last week. He was in
a head on car crash with some female delinquents escaping from the cops in a
car that had the headlights turned off.
Both the girls died and Moe is in critical condition.
I share the same mechanics since many years with Moe and it was they who
told me. Most of this third hand information, so don't know too many details
and don't know exactly what is correct. I ask his family for forgiveness if
I get it wrong or for mentioning it here, but I know Moe was a good friend
of many on this board. Suffice to say it has affected me personally as Moe
was always such a great, vital and funny human being to be around. It was
always a joy to see him. And at 70, he was fitter than I ever will be.
He is off life support - but do not know if that means there's no more hope,
or he's doing better. Hopefully the latter and time will tell.
If you're religious, I think it would be time to include him in your
prayers. Hope Moe can pull through.
/Adam
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436075#436075
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| From: | "commanderpic" <commanderpic(at)GMAIL.COM> |
http://www.koat.com/news/fatal-crash-closes-stretch-of-us-550/30308350
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436080#436080
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| From: | Donald Falik <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
All,
I had the opportunity to meet Moe when we both took the course to fly the Atlantic
several years ago. Immediately one knew that he was a special person. At
the time he owned a company that made pistons for racing engines. He was/is
a very interesting person. I haven't owned my twin commander for 3 years but
still access and support this list just to follow what Moe is doing. My thoughts
and prayers go out to a very special person and his family.
Don Falik
On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:11 AM, Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
wrote:
Hello Adam,
This is really sad news.
He's most certainly going to be in our prayers.
Is there any way to find out how Moe is?
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stratobee
Sent: 24 December 2014 09:06
Subject: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
Dear forumites.
It is with great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills was
involved in a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM end of last
week. He was in a head on car crash with some female delinquents
escaping from the cops in a car that had the headlights turned off.
Both the girls died and Moe is in critical condition.
I share the same mechanics since many years with Moe and it was they
who told me. Most of this third hand information, so don't know too
many details and don't know exactly what is correct. I ask his family
for forgiveness if I get it wrong or for mentioning it here, but I
know Moe was a good friend of many on this board. Suffice to say it
has affected me personally as Moe was always such a great, vital and
funny human being to be around. It was always a joy to see him. And at
70, he was fitter than I ever will be.
He is off life support - but do not know if that means there's no more
hope, or he's doing better. Hopefully the latter and time will tell.
If you're religious, I think it would be time to include him in your
prayers. Hope Moe can pull through.
/Adam
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436075#436075
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Moe Mills. |
| From: | Deneal Schilmeister <deneals(at)deneals.com> |
=46rom Ross Racing Pistons:
Jack 'Moe' Mills 1946-2014
Today, Ross Racing Pistons Lost One Of Its Founding Members, a man we all kn
ow and love, Jack 'MOE' Mills. Born in 1946, Moe went on to help create Ross
Racing Pistons and will forever remain in our hearts. Moe had many friends i
n the automotive industry and we would love to hear any stories you may want
to share to help celebrate the life of this wonderful man!
Deneal Schilmeister
Sent from my iPhone 6+ !
> On Dec 24, 2014, at 10:27 AM, "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
> I woke up this morning to this horrible news. I don't know where to begin
, Sue and I will pray for him and his healing. He is an amazing guy, mechan
ical genius and friend. If anyone knows how to keep abreast of his conditio
n, please let me know. Thanks Adam for sharing. Pray everyone, pray!
>
> Sent from my HTC One on the Verizon Wireless 4G
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | suemetzger(at)aol.com |
=0ASadly Moe lost his life on the 22nd according to the Ro
ss Racing Piston website. I'm heartbroken and devastated by
this news. =0A =0Ahttps://www.facebook.com/RossPistons=0A =0AGodspeed
Moe. =0A =0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Richard Tho
mpson =0ATo: commander-list =0ASent: Wed, Dec 24, 2014 5:02 am=0ASubject: RE: Comman
"Richard Thompson" =0A=0AHi All,=0AI contacted
University Hospital where Moe was sent. They informed me that
he=0Awas discharged on 22nd. I am trying to get in contact
with him. Buddy is=0Aalso on the trail.=0ACheers,=0ARichard=0A=0A---
--Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry=0A
Collman=0ASent: Wednesday, 24 December 2014 10:09 PM=0ATo: command
er-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.=0A=0A-->
Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" =0A--> .collman@air-britain.co.uk>=0A=0AHello Adam,=0A=0AThis is really sad n
ews.=0AHe's most certainly going to be in our prayers.=0AIs th
ere any way to find out how Moe is?=0A=0ABarry=0A=0A-----Origina
l Message-----=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:o
wner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee=0ASent:
24 December 2014 09:06=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject:
Commander-List: Moe Mills.=0A=0A--> Commander-List message posted by
: "stratobee"=0A=0A=0ADear forumites.=0A=0AIt is wi
th great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills wa
s involved=0Ain a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM
end of last week. He was in=0Aa head on car crash with
some female delinquents escaping from the cops in a=0Acar that
had the headlights turned off.=0ABoth the girls died and Mo
e is in critical condition.=0A=0AI share the same mechanics si
nce many years with Moe and it was they who=0Atold me. Mos
t of this third hand information, so don't know too many d
etails=0Aand don't know exactly what is correct. I ask his f
amily for forgiveness if=0AI get it wrong or for mentioning
it here, but I know Moe was a good friend=0Aof many on t
his board. Suffice to say it has affected me personally as
Moe=0Awas always such a great, vital and funny human being t
o be around. It was=0Aalways a joy to see him. And at 70
, he was fitter than I ever will be. =0A=0AHe is off lif
e support - but do not know if that means there's no mor
e hope,=0Aor he's doing better. Hopefully the latter and time
will tell.=0AIf you're religious, I think it would be time t
o include him in your=0Aprayers. Hope Moe can pull through.=0A
=0A/Adam=0A=0A--------=0AAdam=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:
=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436075#436075=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
This is extremely sad.
--------
Adam
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| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
Commander Family
I cannot begin to express the sadness of this. My entire family loved
Moe and we will truly, truly will miss him. Their fondest memories of
the commander fly-ins are the stories of Moe. The commander reunions
will never be the same without the man in purple.
Bob
________________________________
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
suemetzger(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
Sadly Moe lost his life on the 22nd according to the Ross Racing Piston
website. I'm heartbroken and devastated by this news.
https://www.facebook.com/RossPistons
Godspeed Moe.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Thompson <Richard(at)flycorp.com.au>
Sent: Wed, Dec 24, 2014 5:02 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
Hi All,
I contacted University Hospital where Moe was sent. They informed me
that he
was discharged on 22nd. I am trying to get in contact with him. Buddy is
also on the trail.
Cheers,
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello Adam,
This is really sad news.
He's most certainly going to be in our prayers.
Is there any way to find out how Moe is?
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of
stratobee
Sent: 24 December 2014 09:06
Subject: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
Dear forumites.
It is with great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills was
involved
in a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM end of last week. He was
in
a head on car crash with some female delinquents escaping from the cops
in a
car that had the headlights turned off.
Both the girls died and Moe is in critical condition.
I share the same mechanics since many years with Moe and it was they who
told me. Most of this third hand information, so don't know too many
details
and don't know exactly what is correct. I ask his family for forgiveness
if
I get it wrong or for mentioning it here, but I know Moe was a good
friend
of many on this board. Suffice to say it has affected me personally as
Moe
was always such a great, vital and funny human being to be around. It
was
always a joy to see him. And at 70, he was fitter than I ever will be.
He is off life support - but do not know if that means there's no more
hope,
or he's doing better. Hopefully the latter and time will tell.
If you're religious, I think it would be time to include him in your
prayers. Hope Moe can pull through.
/Adam
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Moe was one of my earliest & favorite Commander friends. Morris, Jimbob and
Moe are the three people who made the Commander world my second family. No
fly-in would be complete without Moe's presence, and his uncanny ability to
win the Golden Pedal award. I will miss him, and I know his absence will be
felt at every fly-in. I am, however, richer for having known him and will
remember fondly the fly-ins, dinners, tours, and flights in N680RR.
/J
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steele, Bob
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
Commander Family
I cannot begin to express the sadness of this. My entire family loved Moe
and we will truly, truly will miss him. Their fondest memories of the
commander fly-ins are the stories of Moe. The commander reunions will never
be the same without the man in purple.
Bob
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
suemetzger(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
Sadly Moe lost his life on the 22nd according to the Ross Racing Piston
website. I'm heartbroken and devastated by this news.
https://www.facebook.com/RossPistons
Godspeed Moe.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Thompson <Richard(at)flycorp.com.au
>
>
Sent: Wed, Dec 24, 2014 5:02 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>
Hi All,
I contacted University Hospital where Moe was sent. They informed me that he
was discharged on 22nd. I am trying to get in contact with him. Buddy is
also on the trail.
Cheers,
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> >
Hello Adam,
This is really sad news.
He's most certainly going to be in our prayers.
Is there any way to find out how Moe is?
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: 24 December 2014 09:06
Subject: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>
Dear forumites.
It is with great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills was involved
in a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM end of last week. He was in
a head on car crash with some female delinquents escaping from the cops in a
car that had the headlights turned off.
Both the girls died and Moe is in critical condition.
I share the same mechanics since many years with Moe and it was they who
told me. Most of this third hand information, so don't know too many details
and don't know exactly what is correct. I ask his family for forgiveness if
I get it wrong or for mentioning it here, but I know Moe was a good friend
of many on this board. Suffice to say it has affected me personally as Moe
was always such a great, vital and funny human being to be around. It was
always a joy to see him. And at 70, he was fitter than I ever will be.
He is off life support - but do not know if that means there's no more hope,
or he's doing better. Hopefully the latter and time will tell.
If you're religious, I think it would be time to include him in your
prayers. Hope Moe can pull through.
/Adam
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| From: | "Richard Thompson" <Richard(at)flycorp.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List: Moe Mills. |
Hi All,
Went to sleep having spoken to the hospital feeling full of hope. Awoke
this morning to news from Buddy that the hospital had mislead us.
Jacqui and I are devastated. Moe was a true friend. He made the effort
to come to OZ for my 50th. I spend a few weeks with him in August at his
home and a trip to Sturgis. A caring and generous man that I spent hours
with talking and just enjoying life.
RIP Mate I=99ll miss you. We will all miss you.
Rich & Jax
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 25 December 2014 3:27 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
I woke up this morning to this horrible news. I don't know where to
begin, Sue and I will pray for him and his healing. He is an amazing
guy, mechanical genius and friend. If anyone knows how to keep abreast
of his condition, please let me know. Thanks Adam for sharing. Pray
everyone, pray!
Sent from my HTC One on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network
----- Reply message -----
From: "Donald Falik" <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
Date: Wed, Dec 24, 2014 5:10 AM
All,
I had the opportunity to meet Moe when we both took the course to fly
the Atlantic several years ago. Immediately one knew that he was a
special person. At the time he owned a company that made pistons for
racing engines. He was/is a very interesting person. I haven't owned
my twin commander for 3 years but still access and support this list
just to follow what Moe is doing. My thoughts and prayers go out to a
very special person and his family.
Don Falik
On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:11 AM, Barry Collman
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello Adam,
This is really sad news.
He's most certainly going to be in our prayers.
Is there any way to find out how Moe is?
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stratobee
Sent: 24 December 2014 09:06
Subject: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
Dear forumites.
It is with great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills was
involved in a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM end of last
week. He was in a head on car crash with some female delinquents
escaping from the cops in a car that had the headlights turned off.
Both the girls died and Moe is in critical condition.
I share the same mechanics since many years with Moe and it was they
who told me. Most of this third hand information, so don't know too
many details and don't know exactly what is correct. I ask his family
for forgiveness if I get it wrong or for
~=EF=BD=DE=83g(=D3=8D=D3=87qzn
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
This intensely sad news leaves a cold and empty hole in Commanderland - I
cannot find words this morning to adequately pay tribute to Moe; his
generosity, his un-ending willingness to help, his truly genuine persona,
his good humour and his preference to always 'go that one step further'...
I will truly miss the conversations and insane stories that we have shared
as fellow slumlords...
Make a rich start in the next life my friend...
Russell in Oz
On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 3:24 AM, John Vormbaum wrote:
> Moe was one of my earliest & favorite Commander friends. Morris, Jimbob
> and Moe are the three people who made the Commander world my second famil
y.
> No fly-in would be complete without Moe=99s presence, and his uncan
ny ability
> to win the Golden Pedal award. I will miss him, and I know his absence wi
ll
> be felt at every fly-in. I am, however, richer for having known him and
> will remember fondly the fly-ins, dinners, tours, and flights in N680RR.
>
>
> /J
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steele, Bob
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:43 AM
>
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>
>
> Commander Family
>
>
> I cannot begin to express the sadness of this. My entire family loved Mo
e
> and we will truly, truly will miss him. Their fondest memories of the
> commander fly-ins are the stories of Moe. The commander reunions will nev
er
> be the same without the man in purple.
>
>
> Bob
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *
> suemetzger(at)aol.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:06 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>
>
> Sadly Moe lost his life on the 22nd according to the Ross Racing Piston
> website. I'm heartbroken and devastated by this news.
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/RossPistons
>
>
> Godspeed Moe.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Thompson <Richard(at)flycorp.com.au>
> To: commander-list
> Sent: Wed, Dec 24, 2014 5:02 am
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>
.com.au>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I contacted University Hospital where Moe was sent. They informed me that
he
>
> was discharged on 22nd. I am trying to get in contact with him. Buddy is
>
> also on the trail.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Barry
>
> Collman
>
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2014 10:09 PM
>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>
>
> --> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>
> Hello Adam,
>
>
> This is really sad news.
>
> He's most certainly going to be in our prayers.
>
> Is there any way to find out how Moe is?
>
>
> Barry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of stratobee
>
> Sent: 24 December 2014 09:06
>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear forumites.
>
>
> It is with great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills was invol
ved
>
> in a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM end of last week. He was
in
>
> a head on car crash with some female delinquents escaping from the cops i
n a
>
> car that had the headlights turned off.
>
> Both the girls died and Moe is in critical condition.
>
>
> I share the same mechanics since many years with Moe and it was they who
>
> told me. Most of this third hand information, so don't know too many deta
ils
>
> and don't know exactly what is correct. I ask his family for forgiveness
if
>
> I get it wrong or for mentioning it here, but I know Moe was a good frien
d
>
> of many on this board. Suffice to say it has affected me personally as Mo
e
>
> was always such a great, vital and funny human being to be around. It was
>
> always a joy to see him. And at 70, he was fitter than I ever will be.
>
>
> He is off life support - but do not know if that means there's no more ho
pe,
>
> or he's doing better. Hopefully the latter and time will tell.
>
> If you're religious, I think it would be time to include him in your
>
> prayers. Hope Moe can pull through.
>
>
> /Adam
>
>
> --------
>
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
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| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
The first time I met Moe I liked him instantly and enjoyed his company . My p
rayers are offered for. Moe and his family . Gil Walker
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 24, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Russell Legg wrote:
>
> This intensely sad news leaves a cold and empty hole in Commanderland - I c
annot find words this morning to adequately pay tribute to Moe; his generosi
ty, his un-ending willingness to help, his truly genuine persona, his good h
umour and his preference to always 'go that one step further'...
> I will truly miss the conversations and insane stories that we have shared
as fellow slumlords...
>
> Make a rich start in the next life my friend...
>
> Russell in Oz
>
>> On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 3:24 AM, John Vormbaum wrote:
>> Moe was one of my earliest & favorite Commander friends. Morris, Jimbob a
nd Moe are the three people who made the Commander world my second family. N
o fly-in would be complete without Moe=99s presence, and his uncanny a
bility to win the Golden Pedal award. I will miss him, and I know his absenc
e will be felt at every fly-in. I am, however, richer for having known him a
nd will remember fondly the fly-ins, dinners, tours, and flights in N680RR.
>>
>>
>>
>> /J
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-l
ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steele, Bob
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:43 AM
>>
>>
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>>
>>
>> Commander Family
>>
>>
>>
>> I cannot begin to express the sadness of this. My entire family loved Mo
e and we will truly, truly will miss him. Their fondest memories of the com
mander fly-ins are the stories of Moe. The commander reunions will never be t
he same without the man in purple.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-l
ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of suemetzger(at)aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:06 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sadly Moe lost his life on the 22nd according to the Ross Racing Piston w
ebsite. I'm heartbroken and devastated by this news.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/RossPistons
>>
>>
>>
>> Godspeed Moe.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Thompson <Richard(at)flycorp.com.au>
>> To: commander-list
>> Sent: Wed, Dec 24, 2014 5:02 am
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>>
.com.au>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I contacted University Hospital where Moe was sent. They informed me that
he
>> was discharged on 22nd. I am trying to get in contact with him. Buddy is
>> also on the trail.
>> Cheers,
>> Richard
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
>> Collman
>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2014 10:09 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>>
>> --> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>>
>> Hello Adam,
>>
>> This is really sad news.
>> He's most certainly going to be in our prayers.
>> Is there any way to find out how Moe is?
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
>> Sent: 24 December 2014 09:06
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Commander-List: Moe Mills.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear forumites.
>>
>> It is with great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills was invol
ved
>> in a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM end of last week. He was i
n
>> a head on car crash with some female delinquents escaping from the cops i
n a
>> car that had the headlights turned off.
>> Both the girls died and Moe is in critical condition.
>>
>> I share the same mechanics since many years with Moe and it was they who
>> told me. Most of this third hand information, so don't know too many deta
ils
>> and don't know exactly what is correct. I ask his family for forgiveness i
f
>> I get it wrong or for mentioning it here, but I know Moe was a good frien
d
>> of many on this board. Suffice to say it has affected me personally as Mo
e
>> was always such a great, vital and funny human being to be around. It was
>> always a joy to see him. And at 70, he was fitter than I ever will be.
>>
>> He is off life support - but do not know if that means there's no more ho
pe,
>> or he's doing better. Hopefully the latter and time will tell.
>> If you're religious, I think it would be time to include him in your
>> prayers. Hope Moe can pull through.
>>
>> /Adam
>>
>> --------
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
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| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Folks,=0AA sad loss.=0AI only made Moe's acquaintance once, and it was a
bout comp. pistons,=0Anot aeroplanes, in that one (not so - several ales
were consumed)=0Abrief meeting, it was obvious he was one of life's cha
racters.=0AMay he rest in peace.=0ASincerely,=0ABill Hamilton =0A=0A----
- Original Message -----=0AFrom:=0A commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A=0ATo
:=0A"commander-list(at)matronics.com" =0ACc:
=0A=0ASent:=0AThu, 25 Dec 2014 07:47:25 +0930=0ASubject:=0ARe: Commander
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pay tribute to Moe;=0Ahis generosity, his un-ending willingness to help
, his truly genuine=0Apersona, his good humour and his preference to alw
ays 'go that one=0Astep further'...I will truly miss the conversations a
nd insane stories=0Athat we have shared as fellow slumlords...=0A=0AMake
a rich start in the next life my friend...=0A=0ARussell in Oz=0A=0AOn T
hu, Dec 25, 2014 at 3:24 AM, John Vormbaum =0A wr
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my=0Asecond family. No fly-in would be complete without Moe=99s p
resence,=0Aand his uncanny ability to win the Golden Pedal award. I will
miss=0Ahim, and I know his absence will be felt at every fly-in. I am,
=0Ahowever, richer for having known him and will remember fondly the=0Af
ly-ins, dinners, tours, and flights in N680RR.=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A/J
=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0AFROM: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
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ls.=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0ACommander Family=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0AI can
not begin to express the sadness of this.=C2- My entire family=0Aloved
Moe and we will truly, truly will miss him.=C2- Their fondest=0Amemor
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BJECT: Re: Commander-List: Moe Mills.=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0ASadly Moe l
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=C2- I'm heartbroken and devastated by this news.=C2- =0A=0A=C2
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mmander-List message posted by: "Richard Thompson"=0A=0A=C2-=0AHi All,=0AI contacted University Hospital where Mo
e was sent. They informed me=0Athat he=0Awas discharged on 22nd. I am tr
ying to get in contact with him. Buddy=0Ais=0Aalso on the trail.=0ACheer
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>=0A=C2-=0AHello Adam,=0A=C2-=0AThis is really sad news.=0AHe's most
certainly going to be in our prayers.=0AIs there any way to find out ho
w Moe is?=0A=C2-=0ABarry=0A=C2-=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom:
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=C2-=0AIt is with great sadness I inform you that our friend Moe Mills
was=0Ainvolved=0Ain a horrible freak car accident ay night in NM end of
last week. He=0Awas in=0Aa head on car crash with some female delinquen
ts escaping from the=0Acops in a=0Acar that had the headlights turned of
f.=0ABoth the girls died and Moe is in critical condition.=0A=C2-=0AI
share the same mechanics since many years with Moe and it was they=0Awh
o=0Atold me. Most of this third hand information, so don't know too many
=0Adetails=0Aand don't know exactly what is correct. I ask his family fo
r=0Aforgiveness if=0AI get it wrong or for mentioning it here, but I kno
w Moe was a good=0Afriend=0Aof many on this board. Suffice to say it has
affected me personally as=0AMoe=0Awas always such a great, vital and fu
nny human being to be around. It=0Awas=0Aalways a joy to see him. And at
70, he was fitter than I ever will be.=0A=0A=C2-=0AHe is off life sup
port - but do not know if that means there's no more=0Ahope,=0Aor he's d
oing better. Hopefully the latter and time will tell.=0AIf you're religi
ous, I think it would be time to include him in your=0Aprayers. Hope Moe
can pull through.=0A=C2-=0A/Adam=0A=C2-=0A--------=0AAdam=0A=C2-
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| From: | "Peter Bichier" <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM> |
It is no coincidence that in Moe's last presence in this forum, he was asking if
we were going to combine our meeting with the Twin Commander group in Savanna
for the next fly-in. He was truly a pillar in this Commander Family, fully dedicated
and would completely put his thought, knowledge and charm to the cause.
He was a very unique individual, with a great sense of humor and an unbelievable
presence. As some of the Commanders people who make it to these fly-in, we are
globe trotters and Moe is one of those character who would stick out wherever
you put him in this planet. He is one of those people that you don't really
realize how much you appreciate until the moment you find out that only memories
will linger in your heart and soul.
I had a blast with him from the very first day I met him in Oklahoma in 2008. We
had a wild night at the Wormy Dog Saloon (thanks to Dan & Teresa); slowly every
one left except both of us and the conversations about Aero Commanders and
life experiences gushed out with laughter and seriousness. We got lost trying
to come back to the hotel and ended up in a really sketchy part of town... (sounds
familiar?)
For some reason I feel like I have known him all my life. I have a knot in my throat
I cannot really fathom yet. Indeed it will never be the same without Moe
but I am also looking forward to our next meeting and share with you all my dear
moments with him in a desperate failing attempt to heal such a deep wound.
I had forgotten about the photos from our last meeting, I guess it is time:
https://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFGCO14select?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCO6r4OD_8YjjPA&feat=directlink
Fly hi Amigo, hopefully we'll meet again.
--------
560 Dreamer
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| From: | 202JH <n202jh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Just came back across this post from Dec. 17th...
Regards,
Derek Groves
Commander 3145 LLC
(954) 240-1383
N202JH(at)gmail.com
From: Moe Mills
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:34 PM
Reply To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: SAVANA, GA.
J. B.
ANY WORD ON WHEATHER WE ARE GOING TO MEET IN SAVANA DURING THE TWIN COMMANDER UNIVERSITY
MEETING?
MOE MILLS
N680RR
680F(p)
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| Subject: | MOE MILLS FUNERAL |
| From: | "commanderpic" <commanderpic(at)GMAIL.COM> |
IMPERIAL AVENUE .. **NOTE** NOT HWY
EL SEGUNDO, CA.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Flap brackets, wing hinge assemblies? |
| From: | Alan Kucheck <akucheck(at)GMAIL.COM> |
I'm looking for some replacement flap brackets and/or wing hinge assemblies
for my 500A. If anyone has a line on any of these parts I would greatly
appreciate it. Or if you know of any airframes being parted out I would be
interested in that as well.
thanks,
ak
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| From: | White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap brackets, wing hinge assemblies? |
Which part numbers?
=46rom my iPhone!
> On Dec 31, 2014, at 11:38 AM, Alan Kucheck wrote:
>
> I'm looking for some replacement flap brackets and/or wing hinge assemblie
s for my 500A. If anyone has a line on any of these parts I would greatly a
ppreciate it. Or if you know of any airframes being parted out I would be in
terested in that as well.
>
> thanks,
>
> ak
>
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| Subject: | New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
"Airport Courtesy Cars" is a new Google Play/Apple iPhone app that lists over 1100
airports nationwide that have crew/courtesy cars. Make sure you search for
it in the phone store, as searching from a tablet won't work. You can load
it on an iPad by changing the search function in the app store from iPad apps
to iPhone apps.You can dial the listing directly from the app to see if a car
is available. If you have a listing that I missed, or a correction, you can email
me via the app, or to airportcars101(at)gmail.com. Thanks for looking. Glenn
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Driver
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
www.RVairspace.com
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| From: | "Hfpayne" <Hfp6600(at)GMAIL.COM> |
I met Moe at the Twin Commander University held at the EAA head quarters in Oshkosh
Wisconsin.I came into a meeting room for one of our seminars and took an
empty seat. I looked to my left and saw this gentleman with shoulder length hair,dressed
in a cowboy out fit complete with a leather vest and really neat snake
skin boots. (blue?).He was talking to a mature,clean cut ,gentleman. I could
heard some of their conversation and it sounded to me like they were discussing
the deck clearance of the pistons in some airplane engine. I had an amateur
back ground in drag racing and recognized the lingo.At some point when one
of them stopped talking. I asked if that was in-fact the topic. Moe confirmed
that it was. I asked him how he knew about this stuff and he informed me he was
involved with a company that made racing pistons. I asked who bought them and
he said most of the people in the Indy 500. I asked who the other knowledgeable
guy was and he replied Dick Macoon AKA Mr RPM and holds more STC's and inventions
for Commanders than any one else.
I became friends with both of them. Moe and I walked the EAA museum together that
evening. He read each description on each plane in its entirety and added
in depth details of his own. A truely amazing man.
I regret *I never hooked up with him for a ride in his great airplane. The economic
down turn has kept me away from the most recent get togethers. I have hopes
for Savannah. He will be greatly missed.
Howard Payne 680V N677KA Restoration Project pending $$$$$
4MD8 Ijamsville Md 240 674 6157
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Howard Payne
680V Owner
Ijamsville, MD
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/09/15 |
| From: | Hilgard Goosen <hilgard(at)shaw.ca> |
Could you please unsubscribe me from this list.
Thanks
Hilgard Goosen
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| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
>>
>> As most of you know Jack 'Moe' Mills was laid to rest on Thursday the 8th
. The funeral home in El Segundo is very quaint and over looks KLAX. Gree
n Hills Memorial Park Cemetery is a hilly setting over looking the area with
a beautiful view of Rancho Palos Verdes. The TCFG was represented by Jim M
etzger, Morris Kernick, Robert Murdock, Richard Thompson, Buddy Windham an
d my self. Lynn ask the group of us to attend a luncheon at The Proud Bird r
estuarant along with the family and other close friends. It was a nice time
to meet Moe's boys, other family and friends. Moe had many friends, as you
would expect! The weather was perfect. A great day for a sunset and 'gone
west' departure.
>
>> Dan
ps. There is to be a memorial service for Moe in Farmington, NM toward
s the end of February. I understand at Moe's hanger at KFMN. I will post d
ate here, once known.
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| Subject: | Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Out of curiosity, what autopilots are available for these models? I've heard only
S-Tec if you want new. But they don't have a stellar reputation for support.
Are there any used systems approved?
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Adam
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| From: | <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
Hi Adam,
As far as I know, the only two autopilots that are approved for the pre-690 turboprops
are the S-Tec 65 and the original Honeywell H-14. Rate-based autopilots
like the S-Tec are not as precise as attitude-based autopilots, but I still
like my S-Tec. I've never had a problem with it in the nine years it's been installed,
so I can't speak to the customer service quality of the manufacturer.
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
>From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2015 7:52 AM
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
>
>
>Out of curiosity, what autopilots are available for these models? I've heard only
S-Tec if you want new. But they don't have a stellar reputation for support.
Are there any used systems approved?
>
>--------
>Adam
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436886#436886
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| Subject: | Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Thanks Stan. I suspected as much. Just checked the price on the S-Tec 65 and it's
$40K, so won't be doing that in a hurry. [Shocked]
--------
Adam
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| From: | <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
Having said that, I wonder if there is an easy way to get an autopilot for the
690 series approved for the 680V, since they are both under the same type certificate?
I've seen the Bendix M4 and the Bendix/King KFC 300 in 690s, and I remember
my dad's 680E had an M4C in it, so it might be possible. You'd still have
to balance the aquisition, installation, and approval costs with the availability
of parts and service (especially for the M4).
-----Original Message-----
>From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2015 9:35 AM
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Re: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
>
>
>Thanks Stan. I suspected as much. Just checked the price on the S-Tec 65 and it's
$40K, so won't be doing that in a hurry. [Shocked]
>
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>Adam
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
I had the S-Tec auto pilot installed in my 500A back in 1988. The airplane
was used for the STC and it worked great until a year ago and I have just
not been flying that much so have not gotten it fixed. The thing I like
about the S-Tec is that if you lose the attitude gyro the auto pilot keeps
flying level. If you lose electricity the attitude indicator will keep you
going. My ex-son-in-laws father was riding with a friend that had over 20000
hours and lost the attitude gyro and the plane followed tyro and away from
him and he ended up pulling the wings off. That would not have happened with
the S-Tec. They were in a Cessna 210 with the Cessna autopilot.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
swperk(at)earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
Hi Adam,
As far as I know, the only two autopilots that are approved for the pre-690
turboprops are the S-Tec 65 and the original Honeywell H-14. Rate-based
autopilots like the S-Tec are not as precise as attitude-based autopilots,
but I still like my S-Tec. I've never had a problem with it in the nine
years it's been installed, so I can't speak to the customer service quality
of the manufacturer.
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
>From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2015 7:52 AM
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
>
>
>Out of curiosity, what autopilots are available for these models? I've
heard only S-Tec if you want new. But they don't have a stellar reputation
for support. Are there any used systems approved?
>
>--------
>Adam
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436886#436886
>
>
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| From: | "John denDekker" <john(at)carpenteravionics.com> |
| Subject: | Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
Adam,
Century lists the 680F, FL and FLP on their STC's for the Century 2000.
S-TEC autopilots for this size of airplane are "okay". It's one of those
scenarios whereas in the absence of an autopilot having the S-TEC is better
than not having one.
S-TEC has the SYSTEM 65 STC'd for various models (E, T, V, W). Aside from
their newer digital autopilots (which are not approved for this airplane)
I'd say the 65 is the most robust.
The problem with used autopilots is we (avionics shops) must have the STC
data or other "Approved Data" in order to do the installation. When shopping
for a used autopilot you also have to remember there may be a number of
brackets, cables, and/or bridle cables that may be required beyond the main
pieces of equipment. Making sure you capture all the required parts is a big
part of the reason to have the Approved Data.
At the end of the day, if you are considering a used system the best case
scenario is to have a complete airframe that you can salvage all the parts
from, but even then official data for the installation is necessary.
Best regards,
John DenDekker
www.carpenteravionics.com
800.300.0352 Toll Free
615.355.9970 office
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
Out of curiosity, what autopilots are available for these models? I've heard
only S-Tec if you want new. But they don't have a stellar reputation for
support. Are there any used systems approved?
--------
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
You will eat your heart out but I had the S-Tec 65 with flight director, all
the whistles and bells but the yaw damper ( we did not think the Commander
needed it) they installed my used Collins PN101, an ADF, all lighted flight
instruments, for $8000. Of course that was in 1988.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
denDekker
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
Adam,
Century lists the 680F, FL and FLP on their STC's for the Century 2000.
S-TEC autopilots for this size of airplane are "okay". It's one of those
scenarios whereas in the absence of an autopilot having the S-TEC is better
than not having one.
S-TEC has the SYSTEM 65 STC'd for various models (E, T, V, W). Aside from
their newer digital autopilots (which are not approved for this airplane)
I'd say the 65 is the most robust.
The problem with used autopilots is we (avionics shops) must have the STC
data or other "Approved Data" in order to do the installation. When shopping
for a used autopilot you also have to remember there may be a number of
brackets, cables, and/or bridle cables that may be required beyond the main
pieces of equipment. Making sure you capture all the required parts is a big
part of the reason to have the Approved Data.
At the end of the day, if you are considering a used system the best case
scenario is to have a complete airframe that you can salvage all the parts
from, but even then official data for the installation is necessary.
Best regards,
John DenDekker
www.carpenteravionics.com
800.300.0352 Toll Free
615.355.9970 office
NOTICE: This electronic transmission (including any referenced or attached
materials) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18
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CONFIDENTIAL. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any
unauthorized person. If you have received this transmission in error you are
PROHIBITED from disclosing, disseminating, reproducing, using or relying
upon it. Please immediately delete it from your system without copying and
notify the sender by return e-mail of the erroneous receipt. Thank you.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
Out of curiosity, what autopilots are available for these models? I've heard
only S-Tec if you want new. But they don't have a stellar reputation for
support. Are there any used systems approved?
--------
Adam
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's? |
I hope you are not mad at me. Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dongirod(at)bellsouth.net
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
I still get mad when I think about it!
Why not ME?
Sent from Windows Mail
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: =8EMonday=8E, =8EJanuary=8E
=8E12=8E, =8E2015
=8E5=8E:=8E25=8E =8EPM
You will eat your heart out but I had the S-Tec 65 with flight director,
all
the whistles and bells but the yaw damper ( we did not think the
Commander
needed it) they installed my used Collins PN101, an ADF, all lighted
flight
instruments, for $8000. Of course that was in 1988.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
denDekker
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
Adam,
Century lists the 680F, FL and FLP on their STC's for the Century 2000.
S-TEC autopilots for this size of airplane are "okay". It's one of those
scenarios whereas in the absence of an autopilot having the S-TEC is
better
than not having one.
S-TEC has the SYSTEM 65 STC'd for various models (E, T, V, W). Aside
from
their newer digital autopilots (which are not approved for this
airplane)
I'd say the 65 is the most robust.
The problem with used autopilots is we (avionics shops) must have the
STC
data or other "Approved Data" in order to do the installation. When
shopping
for a used autopilot you also have to remember there may be a number of
brackets, cables, and/or bridle cables that may be required beyond the
main
pieces of equipment. Making sure you capture all the required parts is a
big
part of the reason to have the Approved Data.
At the end of the day, if you are considering a used system the best
case
scenario is to have a complete airframe that you can salvage all the
parts
from, but even then official data for the installation is necessary.
Best regards,
John DenDekker
www.carpenteravionics.com
800.300.0352 Toll Free
615.355.9970 office
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stratobee
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 9:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Autopilots for 680's, 680V's, 681's?
Out of curiosity, what autopilots are available for these models? I've
heard
only S-Tec if you want new. But they don't have a stellar reputation for
support. Are there any used systems approved?
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436886#436886
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| From: | <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: -8?Q?Re:_Commander-List:_Autopilots_for_680's,_680V's,_681's=3F? |
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Thank you AOPA for reviewing the Airport Courtesy Car app in the February issue
on page 37. The review states the app is only available for iPhone, however that
is incorrect. And thanks also to AvWeb who reviewed it earlier. The app is
available for Android in the Google Play Store, so you Android users, please
check it out. The app is totally free and now lists over 1100 locations nationwide.
And thanks to all the folks on this forum who contributed listings. Glenn
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
www.RVairspace.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437171#437171
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "commanderpic" <commanderpic(at)GMAIL.COM> |
WHY DOES THIS APP REQUIRE ACCESS TO EVERY PERSONAL PIECE OF INFORMATION ON MY PHONE
TO WORK?????
ACCESS TO MY CALENDAR CONTACTS PHOTOS AND FILES ALONG WITH ALL MY CALL INFORMATION??????
GET REAL THIS APP IS A MAP LOCATOR AND SHOULD ONLY REQUIRE ACCESS TO MY LOCATION
IF "NEAREST" IS A SELECTION AVAILABLE...
PHONE... MAYBE FOR CALLING THE FBO CHOSEN BUT NOT ALL THE HISTORY AND FILES FOR
CONTACTS..
I ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT SOMETHING FOR "FREE" AS THE OLD SAYING GOES "THERE IS NO SUCH
THING AS AS A FREE LUNCH"..
MAYBE YOU SELL OR MARKET ALL THE INFO YOU COLLECT.. WHO KNOWS BUT BEING A GREAT
APP DOES NOT WARRANT SECURING THE VAST AMOUNT OF INFORMATION UNRELATED TO THE
APP...
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
commanderpic wrote:
> WHY DOES THIS APP REQUIRE ACCESS TO EVERY PERSONAL PIECE OF INFORMATION ON MY
PHONE TO WORK?????
> ACCESS TO MY CALENDAR CONTACTS PHOTOS AND FILES ALONG WITH ALL MY CALL INFORMATION??????
> GET REAL THIS APP IS A MAP LOCATOR AND SHOULD ONLY REQUIRE ACCESS TO MY LOCATION
IF "NEAREST" IS A SELECTION AVAILABLE...
> PHONE... MAYBE FOR CALLING THE FBO CHOSEN BUT NOT ALL THE HISTORY AND FILES FOR
CONTACTS..
> I ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT SOMETHING FOR "FREE" AS THE OLD SAYING GOES "THERE IS NO
SUCH THING AS AS A FREE LUNCH"..
> MAYBE YOU SELL OR MARKET ALL THE INFO YOU COLLECT.. WHO KNOWS BUT BEING A GREAT
APP DOES NOT WARRANT SECURING THE VAST AMOUNT OF INFORMATION UNRELATED TO THE
APP...
I agree totally, and I don't use or see those permissions. This is mostly a Android
issue. They are for several add on's that are standard in the app business.
For example, my app will only ask for location, and that is if you want to
see your own location on the Google map. The other permissions I do not use,
for example the ability to post pictures, then that app would ask to have access
to your photos. When I questioned my app company about this, this is there
response:
Dear iBuildApp Users,
With over 1 million customers, and 30,000+ downloads, iBuildApp prides itself in
being able to make it easy for customers to build and quickly update their app
into the marketplace.
Each app made by iBuildApp has a list of permissions which are a standard amongst
the most popular apps on the Google/Apple marketplace to allow their apps flexible
implementation for any feature changes in their app.
App creators at iBuildApp do not have any access to the data from the devices using
their app,
the permissions allow better functionality of the features on the app.
Regards,
iBuildApp Team
I hope this eases your mind. Glenn
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
www.RVairspace.com
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/03/15 |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
2015 TCFG FLY-IN, will be Sept 24-27 this year in Colorado Springs, CO. (KCOS)
Yes that is a repeat of location, it is also a week later than usual. It has
been moved a week later to take advantage of one of the four AOPA FLY-IN's that
is being held at KCOS on Sept 26th. For info on AOPA's fly-in go to aopa.com/fly-ins.
More info will be forth coming. I plan to make hotel arrangements soon, as I believe
hotels will go fast. It is my understanding there will be a couple thousand
people in attendance. Metzger said that since I screwed up last year I
had to do it again, so bear with me. Any questions please email me.
Dan Farmer
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| Subject: | Fwd: Space Program |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
One of the many events planned for next years fly in!
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Need prop blades |
Hello Commander Folks,
MY 680F is in for annual, and we have discovered corrosion on two prop
blades. I am need of three replacement blades Hartzell Model #9349-6.5
Props are HC-B3Z30-2E. Please let me know if you have resources for these
blades. Or a serviceable prop. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F/N6253X
logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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| Subject: | 2015 TCFG FLY IN |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Just to reiterate the fly in has been moved back one week from normal. Sept 24-27
to be in conjunction with the AOPA fly in that Saturday the 26th. Both in
Colorado Springs. KCOS. Please make plans to attend. If you would like to make
suggestions forward them to me. daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com
Dan a Farmer
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| Subject: | Re: Need prop blades |
| From: | Joseph Menchetti <menchettij(at)GMAIL.COM> |
hello Randy, i was wondering if the 680E blades will do for you, let me know
2015-02-10 19:42 GMT-04:30 Randy Dettmer, AIA :
> Hello Commander Folks,
>
> MY 680F is in for annual, and we have discovered corrosion on two prop
> blades. I am need of three replacement blades Hartzell Model #9349-6.5
> Props are HC-B3Z30-2E. Please let me know if you have resources for these
> blades. Or a serviceable prop. Thanks very much.
>
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> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
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> 680F/N6253X
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> *Dettmer Architecture*
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> *663 Hill Street*
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> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
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> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865 <805%20541%204865>*
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> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Wanted to update the list with the following, the Airport Courtesy Car app as of
this date has over 1300 listings nationwide with over 5000 pilots that have
downloaded the app. It continues to be covered by major publications. Since
AvWeb covered it and AOPA Pilot magazine in the February issue, it has most recently
been favored by G.A. News. Also I can now upload pictures of your favorite
crew cars to the state listings, so email those pictures to me at airportcars101(at)gmail.com.
And keep those entries coming!
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
www.RVairspace.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438383#438383
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| Subject: | Jack Moe Mills Memorial |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Is to be at Farmington airport KFMN, Feb 28 at 11:30.
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Now approaching 6000 pilots using the app with over 1350 listings, and a recent
review on the EAA website. And in a feeble attempt to recoup my costs, I am
now offering very reasonably priced ad's for aviation related businesses as I
keep my word to keep this app free for pilots. If you or someone you know may
be interested, please email me at airportcars101(at)gmail.com for rates. And please
tell your FBO where you found them. Thank you. Glenn
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
www.RVairspace.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438844#438844
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Belated update.
Phase inspection completed. Lots of smaller stuff, but no real show stoppers. The
cabin leaks the previous owner had mysteriously lived with for almost a decade
was as mentioned not a single culprit, but multiple. All windows except one
leaked, basically. It would be easier to tell you where it didnt leak, then
where it did, as my Morris said But the wing root attachments (a normal culprit)
did not. The worst offender was the door. Not the seal itself, but the door
frame had been reinstalled at some point and it had been installed wrong (logbook
does not give a reason why) and was all on cattywampus. The door didnt fit
properly, was shimmed wrong and had all sorts of problems preventing a tight
seal. Unbelievable that they flew it like this for so long without being able
to pressurize properly. Doorframe was re-jigged, as well as door, painted etc
and now the door fits perfectly. Locking pins align great now. Even the old rubber
seal is now working good it seems, so need to change that as initially thought.
The untight windows and doors has also allowed small amounts of water
into the cabin and we will have to change all insulation and get rid off the old
nasty stuff.
Engines and accessories have a clean bill of health, except theres no logbook entry
of having the nozzles sent off for overhaul in over 800hrs. Maybe they did,
maybe they didnt. Supposed to be a 200hr interval to check flow rates and spray
patterns. Not a terribly costly thing to do, but something the seller will
have to pay for. One starter generator needs overhauling and one hydraulic pump
has a leaking seal.
Overall, so far not bad.
The windows are pretty scratchy and unclear, though. I thought about replacing
the front ones, but had a minor coronary when I heard about the price. We're going
to try to polish them now. There are a couple of aircraft window repair companies
that come to you and do an optical restoration/polish.
Still a month away or more before I can start flying it. I still got the Aerostar
to whisk me around until someone snaps it up. It's slow selling piston twins
as you know But Im very excited about the day when Im all signed off and can
take her home for the first time.
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Adam
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
I still get a lot of questions on how to download the Airport Courtesy Cars app
on an iPad. So here are some simple instructions on how to do so. The app is
approaching 1400 car listings with over 6,400 pilots that have downloaded the
app. Glenn
Go to the app store on your iPad,
Click the search box and search for Airport Courtesy Cars,
The search will not show any results, however when the search is complete a bar
of menus will appear along the top of the page,
The very first one on the left says "Ipad only",
Click it to show a drop down menu,
Choose "iPhone only" and Airport Courtesy Cars" will be displayed, and you can
download the app.
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
www.RVairspace.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439537#439537
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| Subject: | Fwd: TCFG FLY IN 2015 |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> This years fly in will be a week later than normal, Sept 24, 25, 26. T
his is so we could be in Colorado Springs, CO (COS) at the same time as the
regional AOPA fly in on Saturday, Sept 26. Expect a few thousand at AOPA's
vendor exhibit on Sat. There also is an AOPA "dinner" of some type on Frida
y night. (See AOPA.org). I'm also working on tour of U.S.A.F. Academy on Fri
day. There's also the very nice WWII museum that we did last year. Plus num
erous others things that C Springs is famous. TCFG will be back at The Patty
Jewett Golf Club for our Sat night dinner which did an outstanding dinner f
or us last year.
>>>>
>>>> Below is a link to the Garden Hilton Airport Hotel which has been chose
as the group hotel. King beds are all select comfort mattresses.
>>>>
>>>>> http://hiltongardeninn.hilton.com/en/gi/groups/personalized/C/COSAPGI-
TCF-20150924/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
>>>
>>> There are 20 rooms set aside which is a few more than normal. Registrat
ion for hotel is open. If you wish you can get the group rate for 3 days be
fore and 3 days after. I hope to get the fly in registration out soon. Tr
y your best to attend for a fun weekend and an opportunity to win $5,000,00
0.00, well.....
If the link does not work copy and paste.
>>
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| Subject: | Fwd: TCFG FLY IN 2015 |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
> Some of you have seen this, I hope. I will continue to post it from time t
o time. It would help me if you would email me direct if you make a reserva
tion.
Thanks,
Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> This years fly in will be a week later than normal, Sept 24, 25, 26. T
his is so we could be in Colorado Springs, CO (COS) at the same time as the
regional AOPA fly in on Saturday, Sept 26. Expect a few thousand at AOPA's
vendor exhibit on Sat. There also is an AOPA "dinner" of some type on Frida
y night. (See AOPA.org). I'm also working on tour of U.S.A.F. Academy on Fri
day. There's also the very nice WWII museum that we did last year. Plus num
erous others things that C Springs is famous. TCFG will be back at The Patty
Jewett Golf Club for our Sat night dinner which did an outstanding dinner f
or us last year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Below is a link to the Garden Hilton Airport Hotel which has been chos
e as the group hotel. King beds are all select comfort mattresses.
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://hiltongardeninn.hilton.com/en/gi/groups/personalized/C/COSAPGI
-TCF-20150924/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG
>>>>
>>>> There are 20 rooms set aside which is a few more than normal. Registra
tion for hotel is open. If you wish you can get the group rate for 3 days b
efore and 3 days after. I hope to get the fly in registration out soon. T
ry your best to attend for a fun weekend and an opportunity to win $5,000,0
00.00, well.....
>
> If the link does not work copy and paste.
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
I can now insert photos of your courtesy cars into the app listings. Feel free
to email me your photos, and please be sure to indicate in the title of the email
the airport ID and/or city location, and if there is more than one FBO, which
one the car is located at. The app has broken 1400 locations nationwide.
Thanks, Glenn Email to airportcars101(at)gmail.com
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App. Over 1400 cars nationwide.
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: TCFG FLY IN 2015 |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Try to make it now that I'm back in the fold!
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Adam
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| Subject: | Gear overhaul on turbines. |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
What's a ballpark cost for gear overhaul on the turbine Commanders?
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Adam
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| Subject: | Re: Gear overhaul on turbines. |
| From: | John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi
I paid $10k for a 685's 18 months ago
John ives
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Gear overhaul on turbines. |
| From: | "commanderpic" <commanderpic(at)GMAIL.COM> |
With no major "issues" the 5yr gear and props on my 1000 was just south of $40k..
so gear part of that $12 to 15k... that was a month ago..
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| From: | "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com> |
| Subject: | Gear overhaul on turbines. |
Adam
690's are about $15K for 5 yr. gear at a service center..Nick
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Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 10:05 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Gear overhaul on turbines.
What's a ballpark cost for gear overhaul on the turbine Commanders?
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Adam
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| Subject: | Instrument air pressure switch? |
| From: | Alan Kucheck <akucheck(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Hey gang:
Does anyone have a line on a pressure switch: P/N 575-1116 ? Where would
you try?
thanks,
ak
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| From: | Scott Main <scottmain2003(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Instrument air pressure switch? |
Any sources for material used to form duct connecting lower cowl to outlet s
ide of oil cooler?? Similar to baffle material but thicker.
Thanks
Scott main
1955 560a. l-26
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| Subject: | Increase fuel capacity center tank STC? |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Heard someone mention that there's an alternative to the slipper or Javelin tanks
for the TC's. Someone was talking about an STC to increase the center tank
capacity. Has anyone heard anything about such a thing? What were the specs?
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| Subject: | Re: Increase fuel capacity center tank STC? |
| From: | "Harbaugh, Brian" <bharbaugh(at)twincommander.com> |
What is the model and serial number of the aircraft? There are Custom
kits for extended range for some aircraft. You can contact me direct.
Regards,
Brian Harbaugh
Customer Service Manager
Twin Commander Aircraft, LLC.
1176 Telecom Drive
Creedmoor, North Carolina 27522 USA
Tel: 919-956-4300
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| Subject: | Turbo Commander 777? |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
This is an interesting link to a company that wanted to put Walter 601 engines
on the Commander, pair it with a 5-blade MT prop. Site hasn't been updated since
2000, so probly not much came of it.
Anyone know naything more about this project? Also, what are those winglets? Are
they proprietary or some alternative winglet to the normal ones you see?
http://www.americanwestaircraft.com/commander.html
Also, has there ever been any talk of STCing the MT 5-blade prop for the Turbo
Commanders? The MU-2 has that option and it's the same engine..
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Adam
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| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Turbo Commander 777? |
Adam,
One of a long line up of 680 or 690 series Commander re-engine ideas that never
got off the ground, at least in a figurative sense.
The original turbine match up was PT-6 engines on the 680FL airframe. The specific
range was terrible; a switch to TPE-331 series was made.
Don't know if the fuel specifics for the Walters are better than the typical PT-6.
If they're not, there might be too much of a sacrifice on range.
Keith S Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee, Chairman
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 26, 2015 5:58 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Turbo Commander 777?
This
is an interesting link to a company that wanted to put Walter 601 engines on the
Commander, pair it with a 5-blade MT prop. Site hasn't been updated since 2000,
so probly not much came of it.
Anyone know naything more about this project?
Also, what are those winglets? Are they proprietary or some alternative winglet
to the normal ones you
see?
http://www.americanwestaircraft.com/commander.html
Also, has there
ever been any talk of STCing the MT 5-blade prop for the Turbo Commanders? The
MU-2 has that option and it's the same engine..
--------
Adam
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| Subject: | Turbo Commander 777? |
Hi Adam,
Indeed, an interesting link.
As far as I can tell, no Commander has had Walter engines installed.
The Commander featured on the website, "N124AW", is a photoshopped
image.
That "N" number has never been Assigned to a Commander.
Again, as far as I can tell, the winglets featured have never been
used.
American West Aircraft Corp have been Registered as the owner of one
Commander though, and it's an interesting one.
It was N29DE, a 680T that had been converted to a 680V and I've
mentioned this one before on this forum.
I saw it at North Las Vegas Air Terminal on 23rd Sept 1995.
It was engineless and had "Experimental" titles.
The s/n plate had been moved and a further plate proclaimed it had
Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A engines.
American West had bought it on 19th April 1994, but they weren't
Registered as owners until 19th Sept 2002.
Although sold later to Robert Schalit, of Duncan, OK, it remained at
North Las Vegas.
Robert Schalit had died by April 2008 and it was sold via a Court
Default Judgment to Mid America Funding Co Inc., of Adrian, MO.
However, the Court paperwork indicated two zero-time since overhaul
Walters M601A engines were included.
In January 2011, the Commander was hauled off the airport and
scrapped.
The 5-blade MT props were tested on at least two Commanders, N840VB
(690C 11640) between July 2000 & August 2001 and N55JS (690A 11195)
between Jan 2004 & Oct 2006, when it was lost in an accident on it's
way, if I recall correctly, to the NBAA show that year.
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stratobee
Sent: 27 April 2015 01:57
Subject: Commander-List: Turbo Commander 777?
This is an interesting link to a company that wanted to put Walter 601
engines on the Commander, pair it with a 5-blade MT prop. Site hasn't
been updated since 2000, so probly not much came of it.
Anyone know naything more about this project? Also, what are those
winglets? Are they proprietary or some alternative winglet to the
normal ones you see?
http://www.americanwestaircraft.com/commander.html
Also, has there ever been any talk of STCing the MT 5-blade prop for
the Turbo Commanders? The MU-2 has that option and it's the same
engine..
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441356#441356
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| Subject: | Turbo Commander 777? |
Hi Keith,
Indeed, the PT6A-20 engine was tested on a Commander but not, to the
best of my knowledge, on a 680FL but on a 680T.
This was s/n 1583-35 N6523V and an Experimental CofA was issued on June
2nd 1966 and STC SA710SW issued to Swearingen on October 31st 1966.
However, the factory discovered that the exhaust heat had damaged the
leading edge of the wing and subsequent investigation showed degradation
of strength in the aluminum structure clear back to the front spar.
The aircraft was declared unairworthy and never flew again.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: 27 April 2015 02:42
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Turbo Commander 777?
Adam,
One of a long line up of 680 or 690 series Commander re-engine ideas
that never got off the ground, at least in a figurative sense.
The original turbine match up was PT-6 engines on the 680FL airframe.
The specific range was terrible; a switch to TPE-331 series was made.
Don't know if the fuel specifics for the Walters are better than the
typical PT-6. If they're not, there might be too much of a sacrifice on
range.
Keith S Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee, Chairman
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 26, 2015 5:58 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Turbo Commander 777?
This
is an interesting link to a company that wanted to put Walter 601
engines on the
Commander, pair it with a 5-blade MT prop. Site hasn't been updated
since 2000,
so probly not much came of it.
Anyone know naything more about this project?
Also, what are those winglets? Are they proprietary or some alternative
winglet
to the normal ones you
see?
http://www.americanwestaircraft.com/commander.html
Also, has there
ever been any talk of STCing the MT 5-blade prop for the Turbo
Commanders? The
MU-2 has that option and it's the same engine..
--------
Adam
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this topic online
here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441356#441356
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| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Turbo Commander 777? |
Sir Barry,
I was hoping you'd weigh in with some history. Question: If the PT-6 was installed
on a 680T, then it was already a production turbine model.
Swearingen was always busy modifying production aircraft, so it would make sense
he would attempt a re-engine program for the rather anemic pre-Century 331 engines.
Did the factory go straight to Garret engines? I had heard, and it's probably
Urban Legend, that the PT-6 was the first installation.
~KG~
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee, Chairman
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, Apr 27, 2015 5:25 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Turbo Commander 777?
Hi Keith,
Indeed, the PT6A-20 engine was tested on a Commander but not, to the best of my
knowledge, on a 680FL but on a 680T.
This was s/n 1583-35 N6523V and an Experimental CofA was issued on June 2nd 1966
and STC SA710SW issued to Swearingen on October 31st 1966.
However, the factory discovered that the exhaust heat had damaged the leading edge
of the wing and subsequent investigation showed degradation of strength in
the aluminum structure clear back to the front spar.
The aircraft was declared unairworthy and never flew again.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S. Gordon
Sent: 27 April 2015 02:42
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Turbo Commander 777?
Adam,
One of a long line up of 680 or 690 series Commander re-engine ideas that never
got off the ground, at least in a figurative sense.
The original turbine match up was PT-6 engines on the 680FL airframe. The specific
range was terrible; a switch to TPE-331 series was made.
Don't know if the fuel specifics for the Walters are better than the typical PT-6.
If they're not, there might be too much of a sacrifice on range.
Keith S Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee, Chairman
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 26, 2015 5:58 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Turbo Commander 777?
This
is an interesting link to a company that wanted to put Walter 601 engines on the
Commander, pair it with a 5-blade MT prop. Site hasn't been updated since 2000,
so probly not much came of it.
Anyone know naything more about this project?
Also, what are those winglets? Are they proprietary or some alternative winglet
to the normal ones you
see?
http://www.americanwestaircraft.com/commander.html
Also, has there
ever been any talk of STCing the MT 5-blade prop for the Turbo Commanders? The
MU-2 has that option and it's the same engine..
--------
Adam
Read
this topic online
here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441356#441356
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| Subject: | Re: Turbo Commander 777? |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
N55JS had an inflight breakup after being overloaded 1000lbs in bad turbulence.
Don't think the props contributed, but who knows. Is there a photo of it with
the 5 blade MT's?
--------
Adam
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| Subject: | Turbo Commander 777? |
Hi Keith,
As far as I=99m aware, the Garrett engine was the first choice for
the 680T.
Neither Ken Hale nor Bill McGinnis have mentioned any other engine being
considered.
So, hopefully, the use a the PT6 was indeed Urban Legend!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: 27 April 2015 16:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Turbo Commander 777?
Sir Barry,
I was hoping you'd weigh in with some history. Question: If the PT-6
was installed on a 680T, then it was already a production turbine model.
Swearingen was always busy modifying production aircraft, so it would
make sense he would attempt a re-engine program for the rather anemic
pre-Century 331 engines.
Did the factory go straight to Garret engines? I had heard, and it's
probably Urban Legend, that the PT-6 was the first installation.
~KG~
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee, Chairman
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, Apr 27, 2015 5:25 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Turbo Commander 777?
Hi Keith,
Indeed, the PT6A-20 engine was tested on a Commander but not, to the
best of my knowledge, on a 680FL but on a 680T.
This was s/n 1583-35 N6523V and an Experimental CofA was issued on June
2nd 1966 and STC SA710SW issued to Swearingen on October 31st 1966.
However, the factory discovered that the exhaust heat had damaged the
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