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July 07, 2015 - October 02, 2015
Note that the check list is dated. Transponder should be
ON for all movement now that many airports have ASDE-X in operation.
This is for a pressurized model, disregard reference to an
y of that. I'm providing this help you develop a flow pattern that will wo
rk in all Commanders and give you some operating ideas on your model.
Speeds are for a long-body model.
If this check list is found at the bottom of a crater with
your airplane on top of it, I do not want to hear from your bereaved widow
nor her attorney; it is only for use by people I have taught how to fly an
d I'm not in that business at this time.
Watch the controversy that is caused by my advocating the
pulling the aux hydraulic circuit breaker after gear retraction. This will
be educational for you and after the debate has flamed out, you can come t
o your own conclusion.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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Hello Keith and a big welcome to CommanderLand Glenn!
The winglets are the genuine article, installed under STC SA1381GL on
February 22nd 2005.
I think they do have the recognition lights.
Moe also had the Miller nose installed (STC SA585SW), in January 2002.
Glenn, you=99ll have no doubt noticed that the 680F(P)
isn=99t shown on the Type Certificate Data Sheet No. 2A4 as one of
the specific Models.
This is because the 680F(P) is treated as a Model 680F, the
pressurisation system being considered an optional extra.
You=99ll also no doubt have noticed that the Model shown on the
s/n plate is =9C680F=9D.
The 680F & 680F(P) shared the same Model unit number sequence in their
serial numbers.
For instance, there=99s the following examples:
680F-1202-106, a 680F
680F-1204-107, a 680F(P)
680F-1206-108, a 680F
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: 07 July 2015 00:49
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC680F Info
The winglets are aftermarket on all piston Commanders (and most
Turbines). Hopefully they're AeroDyne (Commander Aero of Ohio) and not
some of knock-offs that I've seen. Sir Barry should be able to tell you
what's on (soon to be) your plane.
AeroDyne (ala Dick Wartinger) had the winglets for the Aero Commanders
tested in the wind tunnel at Wright-Patterson. According to Dick, it
was determined they were "as good as could be" aerodynamically and are
built by a shop with PMA approval that makes aircraft structural parts.
Reports from owners vary -- some say they see a 5 KIAS increase in
speed, some say they see nothing.
Even Dick Wartinger said the real performance booster are the flap gap
seals.
Certainly there's a number of owners on the list that can give you their
real world experience.
They should not affect V speeds at all; no recertification flight
testing was done to change the flight manual as far as I know. Bill
Leff may have more insight, if he's listening in.
By the way, do the winglets have reocognition lights? Those alone are
worth the install price. in my opinion.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2015 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC680F Info
Question: The 680Fp that I'm looking at has winglets. Did those come
from the factory with those or aftermarket and if aftermarket, how do
they effect the flying characteristics compared to the number in the
manual?
Thanks,
Glenn
On 7/6/15 3:55 PM, John Vormbaum wrote:
I had a hydraulic failure in my 500B; a hard line in the wing root
fractured. It would have been a flawless landing, but I was seduced by
fluctuating hyd. pressure AFTER I put the gear down, and before the nose
wheel locked. I thought I had enough pressure to cycle the
gear.not the case.
On the bright side, landing at Stockton, I held the nose off until I
lost elevator authority, and veeeeerrry gently set it down on the nose
wheel, which rolled for a bit and then collapsed while still going 5
knots or so. Only consequence was a damaged gear door and one broken
bell crank. Directional control was never in doubt, and with both
engines running, asymmetric thrust made it easy. I think Morris had me
back in the air in a day or two.
The two lessons I learned:
1) Once you put the gear handle down, after a hyd. failure, LEAVE IT
THERE. This was actually beaten into me by Morris and others, but the
beatings evidently didn=99t take.
2) A hydraulic failure in a Commander, even if slightly mismanaged,
isn=99t a crisis unless you have to do some kind of high
performance landing. With enough runway, it matters not.
/John
On Jul 6, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Nick Martin < nick(at)container.com> wrote:
Wing Commander Gordon,
We fly a 690A . After losing the Hydraulic accumulator in flight we
pulled the breaker on the aux hydraulic and made a safe landing ..Since
then our practice is to pull the aux hydraulic breaker before
takeoff..Is there a reason to leave the breaker in before takeoff and
pull later ? ( possibly steering and breaks )..thanks,Nick N674nm
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Gordon
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC680F Info
Bill,
Glad your outcome was OK. Good bit of piloting there.
Tom, your incident was heart breaking, especially since all of the work
your put into your MR RPM.
I've had 3 total hydraulic failures, (two in a 500A Colemill and one
680FLP) all turned out OK ... but I know the trick.
To give credit where credit is due, Morris Kernick put the bee in my
bonnet about disabling the electric aux hydraulic pump. He put it in
very clear terms while I watched a Commander undergoing an annual at
this hangar in Hayward 25+ years ago.
I thought about what he told me and then looked at it through the
perspective of Ted Smith's next design, the AeroStar. The 'Star did
have a breaker type switch for the electric aux pump specifically to
disable it it cruise.
I think it should be a retrofit on all Commanders with electric aux
hydraulic pumps.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher < <mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2015 10:28 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC680F Info
I wasn't so lucky with my 680FLP (Mr.RPM), I had zero pressure and with
no flaps, brakes or steering landing was fine but near the end of the
runway it rolled off the side of the runway and traversed a ditch which
finished the plane for me.
Tom
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 9:14 PM, William Boelte <
n55bz(at)cox.net> wrote:
Keith,
About four years ago I experienced a complete hydraulic failure in the
only remaining Grand Renaissance Shrike on the way to Fort Worth. The
hydraulic pressure switch developed a leak so that the electric
hydraulic pump would have eventually run dry. I noticed the hydraulic
pressure fluctuate between about zero and 480 psi. I immediately pulled
the Hyd. Pump CB and thought "Keith said to pull this after take off". I
had done it regularly with my own Commander but had slipped into
complacency.
Since I did not know how much hydraulic fluid was left, I elected to
make a no flap landing and save what little may be there for one last
desperate brake attempt. As it turned out I was down to walking speed by
the 6,000 ft turnoff using just aerodynamic braking.
Incidentally the nose gear did not extend on its own on hydraulic
pressure loss. It remained up and locked until I lowered the gear. I had
to slow quite a bit and do two abrupt pull ups to get it down and
locked.
The landing and roll out were uneventful.
Had I used your procedure, I would have lowered the flaps and had brakes
and nose wheel steering available. Thank God for the 8,002' X 200'
runway and that huge AeroCommander tail. I was able to hold the nose
wheel up until about 30 kts. and the rudder made directional control
easy.
Kindest regards,
Bill
On Jul 5, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Keith S. Gordon <
cloudcraft(at)aol.com> wrote:
Glenn,
This will amuse you -- probably force a few hundred questions as well.
Note that the check list is dated. Transponder should be ON for all
movement now that many airports have ASDE-X in operation.
This is for a pressurized model, disregard reference to any of that.
I'm providing this help you develop a flow pattern that will work in all
Commanders and give you some operating ideas on your model.
Speeds are for a long-body model.
If this check list is found at the bottom of a crater with your airplane
on top of it, I do not want to hear from your bereaved widow nor her
attorney; it is only for use by people I have taught how to fly and I'm
not in that business at this time.
Watch the controversy that is caused by my advocating the pulling the
aux hydraulic circuit breaker after gear retraction. This will be
educational for you and after the debate has flamed out, you can come to
your own conclusion.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Commander Spotting KHND |
Hi Keith!
Grateful thanks, especially for the s/n plate shot.
Very much appreciated.
I guess others might comment re the feathered prop?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
K.S.Gordon
Sent: 10 July 2015 00:58
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Spotting KHND
This is for Sir Barry (mostly).
This AC500 wahed up on the shore of Henderson Executive Airport / Las
Vegas, Nevada.
3 blade props!
Except they're feathered on the right side. That can't be for a good
reason can it?
K.S.Gordon
Sent on the Fly =F0=9F=8C=90
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| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Well, I wanted to let everyone know that I'm now the official owner of
680RR. We completed the pre-buy over the weekend with Morris and my new
mechanic in Athens TN and found a few problems that need to be addressed.
I was hoping to have it flying in time for the September Flyin but not sure
I will. The hydraulic system failed when landing in Oklahoma on Sunday and
our ferry permit ended on Sunday so had to leave it there while we get
another permit.
We found some extremely nice people that put it in their hanger and cooked
us ribs and gave us beer for the night. The problem was found in the left
rear wing nacelle. Morris found us the part and we should have it
tomorrow. Hoping to get it going this weekend.
Other issues we found are the props are not cycling very well at all and
need to be rebuilt and the tops of the nacelles have a good number of
patches on them and need to be torn off and redone. Hoping we don't find
more problems once we take it apart.
The left engine is leaking a ton of oil but it appears to mostly be coming
from all the hoses. Its also leaking fuel from both engines but appears to
be coming from the intake manifold rubber connections.
The right side of the fuel tanks are leaking and we're not really sure
where it's coming from.
The skydrol lines are leaking a little in the connections but looks like we
just need to replace the o-rings in the connection lines.
The pressurization system is working but not very well and according to
Morris is most likely the door and window seals having the wrong seals
installed on them.
There is also burnt oil on the #3 cylinder that we've cleaned and going to
keep an eye on so time will tell on that one.
I'm also going to have to replace the GPS and screen in the plane with
something I can fly IFR with because it's all VFR only equipment and is
really old.
I'm extremely excited about my life long dream airplane being this close to
my home base, but at the moment it appears I'm 4 or 5 months out before
I'll really have it. If it was in annual I would go ahead and get signed
off in it, but since we have to tear it down for that, it makes sense to
try to do it all together.
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
down to their level and beat you with experience.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Purchase |
Hi Glenn , I own a 680 commander and love it . I also want to tell you that t
he Commander group is a fine bunch of people to be associated with . Morris
has been a great resource for me , my go to guy ! I think you will find tha
t all of the guys will rally around you and give you lots of support when ne
eded. . I live in Brentwood , Tn . A suburb of Nashville. . If I can ever he
lp in any way , just let me know . I am not that far away from Athens. .Go
od luck with your Commander . Gil Walker
615-310-5030 cell
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Glenn Hancock wrote:
>
> Well, I wanted to let everyone know that I'm now the official owner of 680
RR. We completed the pre-buy over the weekend with Morris and my new mechan
ic in Athens TN and found a few problems that need to be addressed. I was h
oping to have it flying in time for the September Flyin but not sure I will.
The hydraulic system failed when landing in Oklahoma on Sunday and our fer
ry permit ended on Sunday so had to leave it there while we get another perm
it.
>
> We found some extremely nice people that put it in their hanger and cooked
us ribs and gave us beer for the night. The problem was found in the left r
ear wing nacelle. Morris found us the part and we should have it tomorrow.
Hoping to get it going this weekend.
>
> Other issues we found are the props are not cycling very well at all and n
eed to be rebuilt and the tops of the nacelles have a good number of patches
on them and need to be torn off and redone. Hoping we don't find more prob
lems once we take it apart.
>
> The left engine is leaking a ton of oil but it appears to mostly be coming
from all the hoses. Its also leaking fuel from both engines but appears to
be coming from the intake manifold rubber connections.
>
> The right side of the fuel tanks are leaking and we're not really sure whe
re it's coming from.
>
> The skydrol lines are leaking a little in the connections but looks like w
e just need to replace the o-rings in the connection lines.
>
> The pressurization system is working but not very well and according to Mo
rris is most likely the door and window seals having the wrong seals install
ed on them.
>
> There is also burnt oil on the #3 cylinder that we've cleaned and going to
keep an eye on so time will tell on that one.
>
> I'm also going to have to replace the GPS and screen in the plane with som
ething I can fly IFR with because it's all VFR only equipment and is really o
ld.
>
> I'm extremely excited about my life long dream airplane being this close t
o my home base, but at the moment it appears I'm 4 or 5 months out before I'
ll really have it. If it was in annual I would go ahead and get signed off i
n it, but since we have to tear it down for that, it makes sense to try to d
o it all together.
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you d
own to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Purchase |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
G'day Glenn,
Welcome to Commanderland and congratulations on your purchase of 680RR - a
lot of effort sustained to get it to the level of airworthiness that you
have now - your work wilL make it even better...
Enjoy
Cheers
Russell
AC560E
On Wednesday, July 15, 2015, Glenn Hancock wrote:
> Well, I wanted to let everyone know that I'm now the official owner of
> 680RR. We completed the pre-buy over the weekend with Morris and my new
> mechanic in Athens TN and found a few problems that need to be addressed.
> I was hoping to have it flying in time for the September Flyin but not sure
> I will. The hydraulic system failed when landing in Oklahoma on Sunday and
> our ferry permit ended on Sunday so had to leave it there while we get
> another permit.
>
> We found some extremely nice people that put it in their hanger and cooked
> us ribs and gave us beer for the night. The problem was found in the left
> rear wing nacelle. Morris found us the part and we should have it
> tomorrow. Hoping to get it going this weekend.
>
> Other issues we found are the props are not cycling very well at all and
> need to be rebuilt and the tops of the nacelles have a good number of
> patches on them and need to be torn off and redone. Hoping we don't find
> more problems once we take it apart.
>
> The left engine is leaking a ton of oil but it appears to mostly be coming
> from all the hoses. Its also leaking fuel from both engines but appears to
> be coming from the intake manifold rubber connections.
>
> The right side of the fuel tanks are leaking and we're not really sure
> where it's coming from.
>
> The skydrol lines are leaking a little in the connections but looks like
> we just need to replace the o-rings in the connection lines.
>
> The pressurization system is working but not very well and according to
> Morris is most likely the door and window seals having the wrong seals
> installed on them.
>
> There is also burnt oil on the #3 cylinder that we've cleaned and going to
> keep an eye on so time will tell on that one.
>
> I'm also going to have to replace the GPS and screen in the plane with
> something I can fly IFR with because it's all VFR only equipment and is
> really old.
>
> I'm extremely excited about my life long dream airplane being this close
> to my home base, but at the moment it appears I'm 4 or 5 months out before
> I'll really have it. If it was in annual I would go ahead and get signed
> off in it, but since we have to tear it down for that, it makes sense to
> try to do it all together.
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
> down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
Glenn
Good to hear N680RR found a good owner who will take good care of her. Co
ngratulations!
Bob Steele
________________________________
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 7:52 PM
Subject: Commander-List: New Purchase
Well, I wanted to let everyone know that I'm now the official owner of 680R
R. We completed the pre-buy over the weekend with Morris and my new mechan
ic in Athens TN and found a few problems that need to be addressed. I was
hoping to have it flying in time for the September Flyin but not sure I wil
l. The hydraulic system failed when landing in Oklahoma on Sunday and our
ferry permit ended on Sunday so had to leave it there while we get another
permit.
We found some extremely nice people that put it in their hanger and cooked
us ribs and gave us beer for the night. The problem was found in the left
rear wing nacelle. Morris found us the part and we should have it tomorrow
. Hoping to get it going this weekend.
Other issues we found are the props are not cycling very well at all and ne
ed to be rebuilt and the tops of the nacelles have a good number of patches
on them and need to be torn off and redone. Hoping we don't find more pro
blems once we take it apart.
The left engine is leaking a ton of oil but it appears to mostly be coming
from all the hoses. Its also leaking fuel from both engines but appears to
be coming from the intake manifold rubber connections.
The right side of the fuel tanks are leaking and we're not really sure wher
e it's coming from.
The skydrol lines are leaking a little in the connections but looks like we
just need to replace the o-rings in the connection lines.
The pressurization system is working but not very well and according to Mor
ris is most likely the door and window seals having the wrong seals install
ed on them.
There is also burnt oil on the #3 cylinder that we've cleaned and going to
keep an eye on so time will tell on that one.
I'm also going to have to replace the GPS and screen in the plane with some
thing I can fly IFR with because it's all VFR only equipment and is really
old.
I'm extremely excited about my life long dream airplane being this close to
my home base, but at the moment it appears I'm 4 or 5 months out before I'
ll really have it. If it was in annual I would go ahead and get signed off
in it, but since we have to tear it down for that, it makes sense to try t
o do it all together.
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you d
own to their level and beat you with experience.
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/03/15 |
Dan,
Presumably "arrivals day" will therefore be on the Wednesday, Sept
23rd?
Or do the dates Sept 24-27 mean that arrivals day is the Thursday
(24th)?
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: 05 February 2015 04:11
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/03/15
2015 TCFG FLY-IN, will be Sept 24-27 this year in Colorado Springs,
CO. (KCOS) Yes that is a repeat of location, it is also a week later
than usual. It has been moved a week later to take advantage of one
of the four AOPA FLY-IN's that is being held at KCOS on Sept 26th.
For info on AOPA's fly-in go to aopa.com/fly-ins.
More info will be forth coming. I plan to make hotel arrangements
soon, as I believe hotels will go fast. It is my understanding there
will be a couple thousand people in attendance. Metzger said that
since I screwed up last year I had to do it again, so bear with me.
Any questions please email me.
Dan Farmer
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/17/15 |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
SIR BARRY: arrival is the 24th, Thursday
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> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/03/15
>
>
> Dan,
>
> Presumably "arrivals day" will therefore be on the Wednesday, Sept
> 23rd?
> Or do the dates Sept 24-27 mean that arrivals day is the Thursday
> (24th)?
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Sent: 05 February 2015 04:11
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/03/15
>
>
> 2015 TCFG FLY-IN, will be Sept 24-27 this year in Colorado Springs,
> CO. (KCOS) Yes that is a repeat of location, it is also a week later
> than usual. It has been moved a week later to take advantage of one
> of the four AOPA FLY-IN's that is being held at KCOS on Sept 26th.
> For info on AOPA's fly-in go to aopa.com/fly-ins.
>
> More info will be forth coming. I plan to make hotel arrangements
> soon, as I believe hotels will go fast. It is my understanding there
> will be a couple thousand people in attendance. Metzger said that
> since I screwed up last year I had to do it again, so bear with me.
> Any questions please email me.
> Dan Farmer
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/17/15 |
Hi Dan,
OK - I hope to schedule to arrive at COS on the Wednesday, probably
circa 21:45 if I can get the same flights as last year.
Best Regards,
Barry
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Sent: 18 July 2015 08:32
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/17/15
SIR BARRY: arrival is the 24th, Thursday
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> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
02/03/15
>
>
> Dan,
>
> Presumably "arrivals day" will therefore be on the Wednesday, Sept
> 23rd?
> Or do the dates Sept 24-27 mean that arrivals day is the Thursday
> (24th)?
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Sent: 05 February 2015 04:11
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
02/03/15
>
>
> 2015 TCFG FLY-IN, will be Sept 24-27 this year in Colorado Springs,
> CO. (KCOS) Yes that is a repeat of location, it is also a week
later
> than usual. It has been moved a week later to take advantage of one
> of the four AOPA FLY-IN's that is being held at KCOS on Sept 26th.
> For info on AOPA's fly-in go to aopa.com/fly-ins.
>
> More info will be forth coming. I plan to make hotel arrangements
> soon, as I believe hotels will go fast. It is my understanding
there
> will be a couple thousand people in attendance. Metzger said that
> since I screwed up last year I had to do it again, so bear with me.
> Any questions please email me.
> Dan Farmer
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hello Commander fans,
We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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| Subject: | 680FP Speed Question |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from NM. It
was about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my wife and 3
year old son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to 13500. I am not sure
how he managed the engines or how he did anything for that matter, but what
I was most interested in was his speed. I purchased this airplane with the
understanding that it was at least a 200knot airplane.
So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my
absolute disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he was
doing 181MPH indicated which was basically the same speed I was doing in my
310 at a lower altitude.
So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as the
310Q? Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not flying it
properly? I still love the plane and not changing my mind, just won't be
quite as happy with it if it's that slow. It has flap gap seals and
winglets although I'm not sure how much either adds to actual speed. He
averaged about 55gph fuel burn compared to my 26gph.
Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
Thanks,
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
down to their level and beat you with experience.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | 680FP Speed Question |
| From: | "K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Parts |
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url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
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Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
Hello Commander fans,
We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..??
Models 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander Parts |
| From: | John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com> |
I'd have thought the best way to do it is get a sheetie and install new mate
rial. The cost is probably going to be close and the job better done
John Ives
AC 685
VH NJT
Sent from my iPad
> On 21 Jul 2015, at 1:41 pm, lloyd silverman wrote:
>
> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Hello Commander fans,
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F. Anyb
ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A &
B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Parts |
Ok that was funny, Lloyd. Thanks for the laugh!
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Randy Dettmer, AIA
*To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
*Subject:* Commander-List: Commander Parts
Hello Commander fans,
We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
*Dettmer Architecture*
*663 Hill Street*
*San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
*805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865*
*www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander Parts |
| From: | Paul Gendron <rpmcommander(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Randy, I have two donors, one flp and a 690 I also have a Sheetmetal guy
that can make the skins and circumferrentials from the templates you remove
from the smaller frames. I also have the z brackets and z couplings. I have
a full set of ldg gear. Pressurized windshields and side windows. Let me
know if you need anything. 954-547-3002 Paul Gendron
On Jul 20, 2015 2:32 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
wrote:
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>
>
> *Dettmer Architecture*
>
> *663 Hill Street*
>
> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>
> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865 <805%20541%204865>*
>
> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | alexandc10(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 680FP Speed Question |
I haven't flown the FP, but 181 MPH indicated (IAS) at 13500 is 198 knots TAS.
If you were under the impression that the airplane would INDICATE 200 knots
at 13500, then that's simply not going to happen. That's 250+ KTAS. The seven
minutes could be explained by higher head-winds at 13500, time-to-climb, more
conservative descent, etc.
If you're saying he was doing 181 (MPH) TRUE airspeed at 13500, then that seems
also unlikely, as that's 158 Knots (KTAS), and you would likely have beaten him
home.
Net, if you're only 2 KTAS off book on a 50 year old airplane, sounds pretty good!
AD
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM>
Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2015 9:29 pm
Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from NM. It was
about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my wife and 3 year old
son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to 13500. I am not sure how he managed
the engines or how he did anything for that matter, but what I was most interested
in was his speed. I purchased this airplane with the understanding that
it was at least a 200knot airplane.
So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my absolute
disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he was doing 181MPH
indicated which was basically the same speed I was doing in my 310 at a lower
altitude.
So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as the 310Q?
Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not flying it properly?
I still love the plane and not changing my mind, just won't be quite as happy
with it if it's that slow. It has flap gap seals and winglets although I'm not
sure how much either adds to actual speed. He averaged about 55gph fuel burn
compared to my 26gph.
Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
Thanks,
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you down
to their level and beat you with experience.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
> Randy, is that for your 680F that I have seen for sale?
Keith and Lloyd, please see how your post came through all scrambled to me.
Keith and I have have discussed this before, is anyone besides me receiving scrambled
messages as shown below?
Thanks, Dan
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> 1. 11:29 AM - Commander Parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
> 2. 07:28 PM - 680FP Speed Question (Glenn Hancock)
> 3. 08:19 PM - Re: 680FP Speed Question (K.S.Gordon)
> 4. 08:39 PM - Re: Commander Parts (lloyd silverman)
> 5. 08:44 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Ives)
> 6. 08:45 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Vormbaum)
> 7. 08:58 PM - Re: Commander Parts (Paul Gendron)
>
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
> logoRED-126x38@72dpi
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
>
> 663 Hill Street
>
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM>
>
> So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from NM. It
> was about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my wife and 3
> year old son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to 13500. I am not sure
> how he managed the engines or how he did anything for that matter, but what
> I was most interested in was his speed. I purchased this airplane with the
> understanding that it was at least a 200knot airplane.
>
> So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my
> absolute disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he was
> doing 181MPH indicated which was basically the same speed I was doing in my
> 310 at a lower altitude.
>
> So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as the
> 310Q? Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not flying it
> properly? I still love the plane and not changing my mind, just won't be
> quite as happy with it if it's that slow. It has flap gap seals and
> winglets although I'm not sure how much either adds to actual speed. He
> averaged about 55gph fuel burn compared to my 26gph.
>
> Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
> down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
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>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) }
>
> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>
>
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..??
> Models 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
>
> 663 Hill Street
>
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
> From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
>
> I'd have thought the best way to do it is get a sheetie and install new mate
> rial. The cost is probably going to be close and the job better done
>
> John Ives
> AC 685
> VH NJT
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 1:41 pm, lloyd silverman wrote:
>>
>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F. Anyb
> ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A &
> B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>>
>> Dettmer Architecture
>> 663 Hill Street
>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Ok that was funny, Lloyd. Thanks for the laugh!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
>
> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Randy Dettmer, AIA
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dettmer Architecture*
>
> *663 Hill Street*
>
> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>
> *805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865*
>
> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
> From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander(at)GMAIL.COM>
>
> Randy, I have two donors, one flp and a 690 I also have a Sheetmetal guy
> that can make the skins and circumferrentials from the templates you remove
> from the smaller frames. I also have the z brackets and z couplings. I have
> a full set of ldg gear. Pressurized windshields and side windows. Let me
> know if you need anything. 954-547-3002 Paul Gendron
> On Jul 20, 2015 2:32 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>>
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>>
>>
>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>
>> *663 Hill Street*
>>
>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>
>> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865 <805%20541%204865>*
>>
>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 |
Hi Dan,
Yes, it's my 68F that has been for sale. Not currently listed. It will
likely be on the market again in about a year. I am using it too much now
for business to sell.
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:49 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15
> Randy, is that for your 680F that I have seen for sale?
Keith and Lloyd, please see how your post came through all scrambled to
me. Keith and I have have discussed this before, is anyone besides me
receiving scrambled messages as shown below?
Thanks, Dan
>
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> Total Messages Posted Mon 07/20/15: 7
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 11:29 AM - Commander Parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
> 2. 07:28 PM - 680FP Speed Question (Glenn Hancock)
> 3. 08:19 PM - Re: 680FP Speed Question (K.S.Gordon)
> 4. 08:39 PM - Re: Commander Parts (lloyd silverman)
> 5. 08:44 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Ives)
> 6. 08:45 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Vormbaum)
> 7. 08:58 PM - Re: Commander Parts (Paul Gendron)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
> logoRED-126x38@72dpi
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
>
> 663 Hill Street
>
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM>
>
> So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from
> NM. It was about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my
> wife and 3 year old son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to
> 13500. I am not sure how he managed the engines or how he did
> anything for that matter, but what I was most interested in was his
> speed. I purchased this airplane with the understanding that it was at
least a 200knot airplane.
>
> So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my
> absolute disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he
> was doing 181MPH indicated which was basically the same speed I was
> doing in my
> 310 at a lower altitude.
>
> So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as
> the 310Q? Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not
> flying it properly? I still love the plane and not changing my mind,
> just won't be quite as happy with it if it's that slow. It has flap
> gap seals and winglets although I'm not sure how much either adds to
> actual speed. He averaged about 55gph fuel burn compared to my 26gph.
>
> Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
> you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
> From: "K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
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> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) }
>
> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>
>
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..??
> Models 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
>
> 663 Hill Street
>
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
> From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
>
> I'd have thought the best way to do it is get a sheetie and install
> new mate rial. The cost is probably going to be close and the job
> better done
>
> John Ives
> AC 685
> VH NJT
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 1:41 pm, lloyd silverman wrote:
>>
>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anyb
> ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A
&
> B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>>
>> Dettmer Architecture
>> 663 Hill Street
>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Ok that was funny, Lloyd. Thanks for the laugh!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
>
> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Randy Dettmer, AIA
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Hello Commander fans,
>
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dettmer Architecture*
>
> *663 Hill Street*
>
> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>
> *805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865*
>
> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
> From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander(at)GMAIL.COM>
>
> Randy, I have two donors, one flp and a 690 I also have a Sheetmetal
> guy that can make the skins and circumferrentials from the templates
> you remove from the smaller frames. I also have the z brackets and z
> couplings. I have a full set of ldg gear. Pressurized windshields and
> side windows. Let me know if you need anything. 954-547-3002 Paul
> Gendron On Jul 20, 2015 2:32 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>>
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>>
>>
>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>
>> *663 Hill Street*
>>
>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>
>> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865
>> <805%20541%204865>*
>>
>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 |
Sometimes scrambled here - would rather receive emails sunny side up!
Sent from my iPhone
> On 22 Jul 2015, at 1:19 am, Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
>
>
> Hi Dan,
> Yes, it's my 68F that has been for sale. Not currently listed. It will
> likely be on the market again in about a year. I am using it too much now
> for business to sell.
>
> Randy
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:49 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15
>
>
>
>> Randy, is that for your 680F that I have seen for sale?
>
> Keith and Lloyd, please see how your post came through all scrambled to
> me. Keith and I have have discussed this before, is anyone besides me
> receiving scrambled messages as shown below?
> Thanks, Dan
>>
>> =================================================
>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>> =================================================
>>
>> Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of
>> the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>> formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features
>> Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes
>> the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed
>> with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>
>> HTML Version:
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&C
>> hapter 15-07-20&Archive=Commander
>>
>> Text Version:
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Ch
>> apter 15-07-20&Archive=Commander
>>
>>
>> ===============================================
>> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
>> ===============================================
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Commander-List Digest Archive
>> ---
>> Total Messages Posted Mon 07/20/15: 7
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>> 1. 11:29 AM - Commander Parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
>> 2. 07:28 PM - 680FP Speed Question (Glenn Hancock)
>> 3. 08:19 PM - Re: 680FP Speed Question (K.S.Gordon)
>> 4. 08:39 PM - Re: Commander Parts (lloyd silverman)
>> 5. 08:44 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Ives)
>> 6. 08:45 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Vormbaum)
>> 7. 08:58 PM - Re: Commander Parts (Paul Gendron)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>>
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>> logoRED-126x38@72dpi
>>
>>
>> Dettmer Architecture
>>
>> 663 Hill Street
>>
>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>
>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>
>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM>
>>
>> So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from
>> NM. It was about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my
>> wife and 3 year old son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to
>> 13500. I am not sure how he managed the engines or how he did
>> anything for that matter, but what I was most interested in was his
>> speed. I purchased this airplane with the understanding that it was at
> least a 200knot airplane.
>>
>> So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my
>> absolute disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he
>> was doing 181MPH indicated which was basically the same speed I was
>> doing in my
>> 310 at a lower altitude.
>>
>> So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as
>> the 310Q? Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not
>> flying it properly? I still love the plane and not changing my mind,
>> just won't be quite as happy with it if it's that slow. It has flap
>> gap seals and winglets although I'm not sure how much either adds to
>> actual speed. He averaged about 55gph fuel burn compared to my 26gph.
>>
>> Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> --
>> --glenn hancock
>>
>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
>> you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>> From: "K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>> v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
>> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
>> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) }
>>
>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>
>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>>
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..??
>> Models 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>> Dettmer Architecture
>>
>> 663 Hill Street
>>
>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>
>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>
>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>> From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
>>
>> I'd have thought the best way to do it is get a sheetie and install
>> new mate rial. The cost is probably going to be close and the job
>> better done
>>
>> John Ives
>> AC 685
>> VH NJT
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 1:41 pm, lloyd silverman wrote:
>>>
>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>> Anyb
>> ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A
> &
>> B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>
>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>> 663 Hill Street
>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 6
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>> Ok that was funny, Lloyd. Thanks for the laugh!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
>>
>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Randy Dettmer, AIA
>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>> *Subject:* Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>
>> Hello Commander fans,
>>
>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>
>> *663 Hill Street*
>>
>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>
>> *805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865*
>>
>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 7
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>> From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander(at)GMAIL.COM>
>>
>> Randy, I have two donors, one flp and a 690 I also have a Sheetmetal
>> guy that can make the skins and circumferrentials from the templates
>> you remove from the smaller frames. I also have the z brackets and z
>> couplings. I have a full set of ldg gear. Pressurized windshields and
>> side windows. Let me know if you need anything. 954-547-3002 Paul
>> Gendron On Jul 20, 2015 2:32 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>
>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>>
>>> *663 Hill Street*
>>>
>>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>>
>>> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865
>>> <805%20541%204865>*
>>>
>>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 |
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
All US emails arrive upside down for you, dont they Russell?
Cheers from topside,
/John
> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Russell Legg wrote:
>
>
> Sometimes scrambled here - would rather receive emails sunny side up!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 22 Jul 2015, at 1:19 am, Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Dan,
>> Yes, it's my 68F that has been for sale. Not currently listed. It will
>> likely be on the market again in about a year. I am using it too much now
>> for business to sell.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> Dettmer Architecture
>> 663 Hill Street
>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:49 AM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15
>>
>>
>>
>>> Randy, is that for your 680F that I have seen for sale?
>>
>> Keith and Lloyd, please see how your post came through all scrambled to
>> me. Keith and I have have discussed this before, is anyone besides me
>> receiving scrambled messages as shown below?
>> Thanks, Dan
>>>
>>> =================================================
>>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>>> =================================================
>>>
>>> Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of
>>> the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>>> formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features
>>> Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes
>>> the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed
>>> with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>>
>>> HTML Version:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&C
>>> hapter 15-07-20&Archive=Commander
>>>
>>> Text Version:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Ch
>>> apter 15-07-20&Archive=Commander
>>>
>>>
>>> ===============================================
>>> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
>>> ===============================================
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> Commander-List Digest Archive
>>> ---
>>> Total Messages Posted Mon 07/20/15: 7
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Message Index:
>>> ----------------------
>>>
>>> 1. 11:29 AM - Commander Parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
>>> 2. 07:28 PM - 680FP Speed Question (Glenn Hancock)
>>> 3. 08:19 PM - Re: 680FP Speed Question (K.S.Gordon)
>>> 4. 08:39 PM - Re: Commander Parts (lloyd silverman)
>>> 5. 08:44 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Ives)
>>> 6. 08:45 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Vormbaum)
>>> 7. 08:58 PM - Re: Commander Parts (Paul Gendron)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>
>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>
>>>
>>> logoRED-126x38@72dpi
>>>
>>>
>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>
>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>
>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>
>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>
>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>>> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM>
>>>
>>> So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from
>>> NM. It was about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my
>>> wife and 3 year old son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to
>>> 13500. I am not sure how he managed the engines or how he did
>>> anything for that matter, but what I was most interested in was his
>>> speed. I purchased this airplane with the understanding that it was at
>> least a 200knot airplane.
>>>
>>> So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my
>>> absolute disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he
>>> was doing 181MPH indicated which was basically the same speed I was
>>> doing in my
>>> 310 at a lower altitude.
>>>
>>> So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as
>>> the 310Q? Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not
>>> flying it properly? I still love the plane and not changing my mind,
>>> just won't be quite as happy with it if it's that slow. It has flap
>>> gap seals and winglets although I'm not sure how much either adds to
>>> actual speed. He averaged about 55gph fuel burn compared to my 26gph.
>>>
>>> Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --glenn hancock
>>>
>>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
>>> you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>>> From: "K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
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>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>> v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
>>> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
>>> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) }
>>>
>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>
>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..??
>>> Models 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>
>>>
>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>
>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>
>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>
>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>
>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 5
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>> From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> I'd have thought the best way to do it is get a sheetie and install
>>> new mate rial. The cost is probably going to be close and the job
>>> better done
>>>
>>> John Ives
>>> AC 685
>>> VH NJT
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 1:41 pm, lloyd silverman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>>>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>> Anyb
>>> ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A
>> &
>>> B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>> Ok that was funny, Lloyd. Thanks for the laugh!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
>>>
>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Randy Dettmer, AIA
>>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>> *Subject:* Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>
>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>
>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>>
>>> *663 Hill Street*
>>>
>>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>>
>>> *805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865*
>>>
>>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 7
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>> From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander(at)GMAIL.COM>
>>>
>>> Randy, I have two donors, one flp and a 690 I also have a Sheetmetal
>>> guy that can make the skins and circumferrentials from the templates
>>> you remove from the smaller frames. I also have the z brackets and z
>>> couplings. I have a full set of ldg gear. Pressurized windshields and
>>> side windows. Let me know if you need anything. 954-547-3002 Paul
>>> Gendron On Jul 20, 2015 2:32 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>
>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>>>
>>>> *663 Hill Street*
>>>>
>>>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>>>
>>>> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865
>>>> <805%20541%204865>*
>>>>
>>>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 |
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| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15 |
Haha John - will come to terms with all of that someday!!
Sent from my iPhone
> On 22 Jul 2015, at 7:36 am, John Vormbaum wrote:
>
>
> All US emails arrive upside down for you, dont they Russell?
>
> Cheers from topside,
>
> /John
>
>
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Russell Legg wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sometimes scrambled here - would rather receive emails sunny side up!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 22 Jul 2015, at 1:19 am, Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Dan,
>>> Yes, it's my 68F that has been for sale. Not currently listed. It will
>>> likely be on the market again in about a year. I am using it too much now
>>> for business to sell.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>> 663 Hill Street
>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:49 AM
>>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/15
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Randy, is that for your 680F that I have seen for sale?
>>>
>>> Keith and Lloyd, please see how your post came through all scrambled to
>>> me. Keith and I have have discussed this before, is anyone besides me
>>> receiving scrambled messages as shown below?
>>> Thanks, Dan
>>>>
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>>>> Total Messages Posted Mon 07/20/15: 7
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>>>> Today's Message Index:
>>>> ----------------------
>>>>
>>>> 1. 11:29 AM - Commander Parts (Randy Dettmer, AIA)
>>>> 2. 07:28 PM - 680FP Speed Question (Glenn Hancock)
>>>> 3. 08:19 PM - Re: 680FP Speed Question (K.S.Gordon)
>>>> 4. 08:39 PM - Re: Commander Parts (lloyd silverman)
>>>> 5. 08:44 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Ives)
>>>> 6. 08:45 PM - Re: Commander Parts (John Vormbaum)
>>>> 7. 08:58 PM - Re: Commander Parts (Paul Gendron)
>>>>
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>>>> ________________________________ Message 1
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>
>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>
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>>>> logoRED-126x38@72dpi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>>
>>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>>
>>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>>
>>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>>
>>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 2
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>>>> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM>
>>>>
>>>> So I purchased the 680FP and had my mechanic fly it back to TN from
>>>> NM. It was about a 600nm trip and I followed him in my 310Q with my
>>>> wife and 3 year old son. We flew back at 9500 and he went up to
>>>> 13500. I am not sure how he managed the engines or how he did
>>>> anything for that matter, but what I was most interested in was his
>>>> speed. I purchased this airplane with the understanding that it was at
>>> least a 200knot airplane.
>>>>
>>>> So we took off and proceeded to fly cross country for 3 hours. To my
>>>> absolute disappointment he arrived 7 minutes ahead of me. He said he
>>>> was doing 181MPH indicated which was basically the same speed I was
>>>> doing in my
>>>> 310 at a lower altitude.
>>>>
>>>> So my question is: Was I dupped and the 680Fp is the same speed as
>>>> the 310Q? Except it burns twice as much gas. Or was he perhaps not
>>>> flying it properly? I still love the plane and not changing my mind,
>>>> just won't be quite as happy with it if it's that slow. It has flap
>>>> gap seals and winglets although I'm not sure how much either adds to
>>>> actual speed. He averaged about 55gph fuel burn compared to my 26gph.
>>>>
>>>> Even at 190kts he should have been indicating 220mph.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --glenn hancock
>>>>
>>>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
>>>> you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 3
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FP Speed Question
>>>> From: "K.S.Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
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>>>> ________________________________ Message 4
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
>>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
>>>> v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR:
>>>> url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape {
>>>> BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) }
>>>>
>>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>
>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..??
>>>> Models 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>>
>>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>>
>>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>>
>>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>>
>>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 5
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>> From: John Ives <seafever32(at)hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> I'd have thought the best way to do it is get a sheetie and install
>>>> new mate rial. The cost is probably going to be close and the job
>>>> better done
>>>>
>>>> John Ives
>>>> AC 685
>>>> VH NJT
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 1:41 pm, lloyd silverman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>>>>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>>> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>>> Anyb
>>>> ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A
>>> &
>>>> B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dettmer Architecture
>>>>> 663 Hill Street
>>>>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>>>> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
>>>>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 6
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
>>>> Ok that was funny, Lloyd. Thanks for the laugh!
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:43 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Randy, be careful the rivet holes probably wont line up with yours.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Randy Dettmer, AIA
>>>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2015 2:29 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>>
>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>
>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>>>
>>>> *663 Hill Street*
>>>>
>>>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>>>
>>>> *805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865*
>>>>
>>>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________ Message 7
>>>> _____________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>>>> From: Paul Gendron <rpmcommander(at)GMAIL.COM>
>>>>
>>>> Randy, I have two donors, one flp and a 690 I also have a Sheetmetal
>>>> guy that can make the skins and circumferrentials from the templates
>>>> you remove from the smaller frames. I also have the z brackets and z
>>>> couplings. I have a full set of ldg gear. Pressurized windshields and
>>>> side windows. Let me know if you need anything. 954-547-3002 Paul
>>>> Gendron On Jul 20, 2015 2:32 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Commander fans,
>>>>>
>>>>> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
>>>>> Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
>>>>> 500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>>>>
>>>>> *663 Hill Street*
>>>>>
>>>>> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>>>>
>>>>> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865
>>>>> <805%20541%204865>*
>>>>>
>>>>> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Randy,
The best (and probably the cheapest) answer is to make them.
Most of them are single curvature, only moderate radii.
Any competent aircraft sheet metal worker should be able to do this.
Donor airframe --- what condition is an equally old skin likely to be?
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
Hello Commander fans,
We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F.
Anybody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models
500A & B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander Parts |
| From: | Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
You probably already know this, but there is a Commander parts company in Cr
eedmore N.C. I think the name is Twin Commander LLC. Ask for Brian. They hav
e the dies from the factory. New stuff is pretty pricy. Don't know about the
used stuff.
Roland Gilliam. AC 500 6291B
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:45 PM, William J Hamilton wrote:
>
> Randy,
> The best (and probably the cheapest) answer is to make them.
> Most of them are single curvature, only moderate radii.
> Any competent aircraft sheet metal worker should be able to do this.
> Donor airframe --- what condition is an equally old skin likely to be?
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:29 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Parts
>
> Hello Commander fans,
> We are trying to locate some lower fuselage skin panels for my 680F. Anyb
ody know of available parts or a salvage plane somewhere..?? Models 500A &
B, 560, or 680F will work. Thanks much.
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: need access |
Posting this for a new member................
I am trying to sell my commander so if you know anyone that=99s inte
rested please pass along my information. its a really unique 500B with poss
ibly the best maintenance there is, plus $45,000 in new avionics. I really
need to sell so I will look at all offers.
www.n222le.weebly.com
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:02 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
Scott,
Sorry for the problems you experienced with the website. You have been set
up with the following login information:
Username: Scott Dickey
Password: AeroScott900
You can change the password once you log in. Also, please join us on FB us
ing the links on the front page of the website. We also have a chat list/f
orum at Matronics.com (sign up for the Aero Commander group u
nder other groups -- no charge to join).
Hope you can join us at our Annual Fly-In to be held Sept 24-26 at Colorado
Springs Colorado in conjunction with the AOPA regional conference.
Thank you for your interest in the Twin Commander Flight Group.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
Twin Commander Flight Group
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Dickey < jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us>
To: yourtcfg < yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: need access
Hi,
I paid the $50 membership fee but the website did not take me to the page
where I can create a new registration. Can you please help me out? Again, y
ou have debited my account but I cannot join.
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico hMail" <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: need access |
Scott, may I publish your Commander's advertisement and videos on our
Facebook Page? It has almost 1,000 Commander enthusiasts who liked the
site and many more just looking around on a regular basis. It also has a
wider international audience.
Let me know.
Thanks
Nico
www.facebook.com/commanderflight
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:13 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
Posting this for a new member................
I am trying to sell my commander so if you know anyone that=99s
interested please pass along my information. its a really unique 500B
with possibly the best maintenance there is, plus $45,000 in new
avionics. I really need to sell so I will look at all offers.
www.n222le.weebly.com
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:02 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
Scott,
Sorry for the problems you experienced with the website. You have been
set up with the following login information:
Username: Scott Dickey
Password: AeroScott900
You can change the password once you log in. Also, please join us on FB
using the links on the front page of the website. We also have a chat
list/forum at Matronics.com (sign up for the Aero Commander group under
other groups -- no charge to join).
Hope you can join us at our Annual Fly-In to be held Sept 24-26 at
Colorado Springs Colorado in conjunction with the AOPA regional
conference.
Thank you for your interest in the Twin Commander Flight Group.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
Twin Commander Flight Group
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Dickey < jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: need access
Hi,
I paid the $50 membership fee but the website did not take me to the
page where I can create a new registration. Can you please help me out?
Again, you have debited my account but I cannot join.
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | suemetzger(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: need access |
Nico,
Scott isn't on the chat list, but he wouldn't have a problem with you posti
ng.
~Sue Metzger
-----Original Message-----
From: Nico hMail <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2015 3:29 pm
Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
Scott, may I publish your Commander's advertisement and videos on our Faceb
ook Page? It has almost 1,000 Commander enthusiasts who liked the site and
many more just looking around on a regular basis. It also has a wider inter
national audience.
Let me know.
Thanks
Nico
www.facebook.com/commanderflight
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:13 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
Posting this for a new member................
I am trying to sell my commander so if you know anyone that=99s inter
ested please pass along my information. its a really unique 500B with possi
bly the best maintenance there is, plus $45,000 in new avionics. I really n
eed to sell so I will look at all offers.
www.n222le.weebly.com
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:02 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
Scott,
Sorry for the problems you experienced with the website. You have been set
up with the following login information:
Username: Scott Dickey
Password: AeroScott900
You can change the password once you log in. Also, please join us on FB us
ing the links on the front page of the website. We also have a chat list/f
orum at Matronics.com (sign up for the Aero Commander group under other gro
ups -- no charge to join).
Hope you can join us at our Annual Fly-In to be held Sept 24-26 at Colorado
Springs Colorado in conjunction with the AOPA regional conference.
Thank you for your interest in the Twin Commander Flight Group.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
Twin Commander Flight Group
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Dickey < jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: need access
Hi,
I paid the $50 membership fee but the website did not take me to the page w
here I can create a new registration. Can you please help me out? Again, yo
u have debited my account but I cannot join.
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
< - The Commander-List Email Forum Use the Matronics List Features Nav
igator to browse
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Scott Main <scottmain2003(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: need access |
What advertisement? I'm not familiar
Scott
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>
> Scott, may I publish your Commander's advertisement and videos on our Face
book Page? It has almost 1,000 Commander enthusiasts who liked the site and m
any more just looking around on a regular basis. It also has a wider interna
tional audience.
>
> Let me know.
>
> Thanks
>
> Nico
>
> www.facebook.com/commanderflight
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:13 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
>
> Posting this for a new member................
>
>
> I am trying to sell my commander so if you know anyone that=99s inte
rested please pass along my information. its a really unique 500B with possi
bly the best maintenance there is, plus $45,000 in new avionics. I really ne
ed to sell so I will look at all offers.
>
> www.n222le.weebly.com
>
>
> Scott
>
> J. Scott Dickey
> www.jtechsolutions.us
> www.dockingdrawer.com
> 12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
> San Ramon, CA 94583
> cell: 408-425-4393
> jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:02 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> Sorry for the problems you experienced with the website. You have been se
t up with the following login information:
>
> Username: Scott Dickey
> Password: AeroScott900
>
> You can change the password once you log in. Also, please join us on FB u
sing the links on the front page of the website. We also have a chat list/f
orum at Matronics.com (sign up for the Aero Commander group under other grou
ps -- no charge to join).
>
> Hope you can join us at our Annual Fly-In to be held Sept 24-26 at Colorad
o Springs Colorado in conjunction with the AOPA regional conference.
>
> Thank you for your interest in the Twin Commander Flight Group.
>
> ~Jim & Sue Metzger
> Twin Commander Flight Group
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Dickey < jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us>
> To: yourtcfg < yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2015 10:21 am
> Subject: need access
>
> Hi,
>
> I paid the $50 membership fee but the website did not take me to the page w
here I can create a new registration. Can you please help me out? Again, you
have debited my account but I cannot join.
>
> Scott
>
> J. Scott Dickey
> www.jtechsolutions.us
> www.dockingdrawer.com
> 12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
> San Ramon, CA 94583
> cell: 408-425-4393
> jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> < - The Commander-List Email Forum Use the Matronics List Features Na
vigator to browse
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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| From: | "nicoCSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: need access |
Thanks, Sue.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
suemetzger(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
Nico,
Scott isn't on the chat list, but he wouldn't have a problem with you
posting.
~Sue Metzger
-----Original Message-----
From: Nico hMail <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2015 3:29 pm
Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
Scott, may I publish your Commander's advertisement and videos on our
Facebook Page? It has almost 1,000 Commander enthusiasts who liked the
site and many more just looking around on a regular basis. It also has a
wider international audience.
Let me know.
Thanks
Nico
www.facebook.com/commanderflight
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:13 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
Posting this for a new member................
I am trying to sell my commander so if you know anyone that=99s
interested please pass along my information. its a really unique 500B
with possibly the best maintenance there is, plus $45,000 in new
avionics. I really need to sell so I will look at all offers.
www.n222le.weebly.com
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:02 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
Scott,
Sorry for the problems you experienced with the website. You have been
set up with the following login information:
Username: Scott Dickey
Password: AeroScott900
You can change the password once you log in. Also, please join us on FB
using the links on the front page of the website. We also have a chat
list/forum at Matronics.com (sign up for the Aero Commander group under
other groups -- no charge to join).
Hope you can join us at our Annual Fly-In to be held Sept 24-26 at
Colorado Springs Colorado in conjunction with the AOPA regional
conference.
Thank you for your interest in the Twin Commander Flight Group.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
Twin Commander Flight Group
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Dickey < jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: need access
Hi,
I paid the $50 membership fee but the website did not take me to the
page where I can create a new registration. Can you please help me out?
Again, you have debited my account but I cannot join.
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
< - The Commander-List Email Forum Use the Matronics List Features
Navigator to browse
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
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The Commander-List Email Forum -
Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
utilities such as List Un/Subscription,
Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
and much much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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| From: | "nicoCSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: need access |
Sorry, Scott. It was an Aero Commander that Scott Dickey advertised. If
you scroll down a bit on this email, you'll see it.
I should have included his last name to be sure that my response is not
confusing.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Main
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
What advertisement? I'm not familiar
Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
Scott, may I publish your Commander's advertisement and videos on our
Facebook Page? It has almost 1,000 Commander enthusiasts who liked the
site and many more just looking around on a regular basis. It also has a
wider international audience.
Let me know.
Thanks
Nico
www.facebook.com/commanderflight
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:13 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
Posting this for a new member................
I am trying to sell my commander so if you know anyone that=99s
interested please pass along my information. its a really unique 500B
with possibly the best maintenance there is, plus $45,000 in new
avionics. I really need to sell so I will look at all offers.
www.n222le.weebly.com
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:02 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
Scott,
Sorry for the problems you experienced with the website. You have been
set up with the following login information:
Username: Scott Dickey
Password: AeroScott900
You can change the password once you log in. Also, please join us on FB
using the links on the front page of the website. We also have a chat
list/forum at Matronics.com (sign up for the Aero Commander group under
other groups -- no charge to join).
Hope you can join us at our Annual Fly-In to be held Sept 24-26 at
Colorado Springs Colorado in conjunction with the AOPA regional
conference.
Thank you for your interest in the Twin Commander Flight Group.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
Twin Commander Flight Group
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Dickey < jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: need access
Hi,
I paid the $50 membership fee but the website did not take me to the
page where I can create a new registration. Can you please help me out?
Again, you have debited my account but I cannot join.
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
< - The Commander-List Email Forum Use the Matronics List Features
Navigator to browse
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | scott main <scottmain2003(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: need access |
ahh...wrong scott I own L26 55-4638
-----Original Message-----
From: nicoCSS <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2015 5:17 pm
Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
Sorry, Scott. It was an Aero Commander that Scott Dickey advertised. If you
scroll down a bit on this email, you'll see it.
I should have included his last name to be sure that my response is not con
fusing.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Main
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
What advertisement? I'm not familiar
Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
Scott, may I publish your Commander's advertisement and videos on our Faceb
ook Page? It has almost 1,000 Commander enthusiasts who liked the site and
many more just looking around on a regular basis. It also has a wider inter
national audience.
Let me know.
Thanks
Nico
www.facebook.com/commanderflight
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:13 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Commander-List: Fwd: need access
Posting this for a new member................
I am trying to sell my commander so if you know anyone that=99s inter
ested please pass along my information. its a really unique 500B with possi
bly the best maintenance there is, plus $45,000 in new avionics. I really n
eed to sell so I will look at all offers.
www.n222le.weebly.com
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:02 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
Scott,
Sorry for the problems you experienced with the website. You have been set
up with the following login information:
Username: Scott Dickey
Password: AeroScott900
You can change the password once you log in. Also, please join us on FB us
ing the links on the front page of the website. We also have a chat list/f
orum at Matronics.com (sign up for the Aero Commander group under other gro
ups -- no charge to join).
Hope you can join us at our Annual Fly-In to be held Sept 24-26 at Colorado
Springs Colorado in conjunction with the AOPA regional conference.
Thank you for your interest in the Twin Commander Flight Group.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
Twin Commander Flight Group
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Dickey < jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: need access
Hi,
I paid the $50 membership fee but the website did not take me to the page w
here I can create a new registration. Can you please help me out? Again, yo
u have debited my account but I cannot join.
Scott
J. Scott Dickey
www.jtechsolutions.us
www.dockingdrawer.com
12893 Alcosta Blvd. Ste M
San Ramon, CA 94583
cell: 408-425-4393
jdickey(at)jtechsolutions.us
< - The Commander-List Email Forum Use the Matronics List Features Nav
igator to browse
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | windshield for 500B |
Time to replace the windshield on old 6290X. Any ideas where to pick
one up? Thanks, Lloyd
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| From: | "nicoCSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Folks,
There are many Commander enthusiasts worldwide. As a small contribution to
service the aviation community in general and the Aero Commander community
in particular, I started an Aero Commander facebook page a while ago at
www.facebook.com/commanderflight
We are working closely with other Commander sites and service providers,
oftentimes encouraging them to advertise on our FB page at no cost by
posting stuff of interest. Oftentimes I'd browse sites for AC's for sale and
just post those as stuff of interest.
Our Facebook page is slowly creeping to the 1,000 likes mark, oftentimes
gaining 100 likes in a week, depending on the content I publish. The
all-time consistent record breaker is, of course, stuff about Bob Hoover. In
a close second position is material about fancy flying, like the great video
clip about landing on a sandbank that I published a couple of years ago.
Thank you very much for everyone who make this a pleasure and keep on
visiting our page regularly.
We are still trying to work things so that we can attend the fly-in next
month, but if we are not able, having a lot of photographs and videos would
make the absence a bit more bearable. If we are able to make it, well, then
we'll see you all there.
It'll be the first fly-in without Moe?
Many thanks,
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Hello Nico,
We sincerely appreciate the opportunities that your website affords the
worldwide Aero Commander community and it is a great way of keeping
connected - thank you!
It would be great to see you guys at the Flyin in late September at
Colorado Springs.
Moe will certainly be with us all in spirit - he and 680RR will be sorely
missed.
Hope toy see you soon!
Russell
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 9:48 AM, nicoCSS wrote:
> Folks,
>
>
> There are many Commander enthusiasts worldwide. As a small contribution to
> service the aviation community in general and the Aero Commander community
> in particular, I started an Aero Commander facebook page a while ago at
> www.facebook.com/commanderflight
>
>
> We are working closely with other Commander sites and service providers,
> oftentimes encouraging them to advertise on our FB page at no cost by
> posting stuff of interest. Oftentimes I'd browse sites for AC's for sale
> and just post those as stuff of interest.
>
>
> Our Facebook page is slowly creeping to the 1,000 likes mark, oftentimes
> gaining 100 likes in a week, depending on the content I publish. The
> all-time consistent record breaker is, of course, stuff about Bob Hoover.
> In a close second position is material about fancy flying, like the great
> video clip about landing on a sandbank that I published a couple of years
> ago.
>
>
> Thank you very much for everyone who make this a pleasure and keep on
> visiting our page regularly.
>
>
> We are still trying to work things so that we can attend the fly-in next
> month, but if we are not able, having a lot of photographs and videos would
> make the absence a bit more bearable. If we are able to make it, well, then
> we'll see you all there.
>
>
> It'll be the first fly-in without Moe?
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
> Nico
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
This is Glenn Hancock, I'm the one that purchased Moe's airplane and am in
the process of getting it flying again. I was hoping it just needed an
annual but turned out it needed quite a bit of work. As a result I'll be
missing the fly-in as well but hope to be there next year. I plan to take
video and pictures during the annual and fixing up process and will post
them once we get her going. The props and governors are at the shop now
but hoping to get them back in the next couple weeks. The annual is in
process now but having to replace a ton of seals and o-rings to stop
skydrol leaks and engine oil.
I hope to send pictures/videos of her flying sooner rather than later but
at the moment it looks like at least 2 more months.
Can't wait to start flying it!!!
Glenn
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Russell Legg wrote:
> Hello Nico,
>
> We sincerely appreciate the opportunities that your website affords the
> worldwide Aero Commander community and it is a great way of keeping
> connected - thank you!
>
> It would be great to see you guys at the Flyin in late September at
> Colorado Springs.
>
> Moe will certainly be with us all in spirit - he and 680RR will be sorely
> missed.
>
> Hope toy see you soon!
>
> Russell
>
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 9:48 AM, nicoCSS wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> There are many Commander enthusiasts worldwide. As a small contribution
>> to service the aviation community in general and the Aero Commander
>> community in particular, I started an Aero Commander facebook page a while
>> ago at www.facebook.com/commanderflight
>>
>>
>>
>> We are working closely with other Commander sites and service providers,
>> oftentimes encouraging them to advertise on our FB page at no cost by
>> posting stuff of interest. Oftentimes I'd browse sites for AC's for sale
>> and just post those as stuff of interest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our Facebook page is slowly creeping to the 1,000 likes mark, oftentimes
>> gaining 100 likes in a week, depending on the content I publish. The
>> all-time consistent record breaker is, of course, stuff about Bob Hoover.
>> In a close second position is material about fancy flying, like the great
>> video clip about landing on a sandbank that I published a couple of years
>> ago.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for everyone who make this a pleasure and keep on
>> visiting our page regularly.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are still trying to work things so that we can attend the fly-in next
>> month, but if we are not able, having a lot of photographs and videos would
>> make the absence a bit more bearable. If we are able to make it, well, then
>> we'll see you all there.
>>
>>
>>
>> It'll be the first fly-in without Moe?
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Nico
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> *
>>
>>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
down to their level and beat you with experience.
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| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
G'day Glenn,
Great that you have got your Commander into the shop and moving towards
flight time.
You would be most welcome to get along to the Flyin without your Commander
- a lot of folk do from year to year...
Cheers
Russell
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Glenn Hancock wrote:
> This is Glenn Hancock, I'm the one that purchased Moe's airplane and am in
> the process of getting it flying again. I was hoping it just needed an
> annual but turned out it needed quite a bit of work. As a result I'll be
> missing the fly-in as well but hope to be there next year. I plan to take
> video and pictures during the annual and fixing up process and will post
> them once we get her going. The props and governors are at the shop now
> but hoping to get them back in the next couple weeks. The annual is in
> process now but having to replace a ton of seals and o-rings to stop
> skydrol leaks and engine oil.
>
> I hope to send pictures/videos of her flying sooner rather than later but
> at the moment it looks like at least 2 more months.
>
> Can't wait to start flying it!!!
>
> Glenn
>
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Russell Legg wrote:
>
>> Hello Nico,
>>
>> We sincerely appreciate the opportunities that your website affords the
>> worldwide Aero Commander community and it is a great way of keeping
>> connected - thank you!
>>
>> It would be great to see you guys at the Flyin in late September at
>> Colorado Springs.
>>
>> Moe will certainly be with us all in spirit - he and 680RR will be sorely
>> missed.
>>
>> Hope toy see you soon!
>>
>> Russell
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 9:48 AM, nicoCSS
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are many Commander enthusiasts worldwide. As a small contribution
>>> to service the aviation community in general and the Aero Commander
>>> community in particular, I started an Aero Commander facebook page a while
>>> ago at www.facebook.com/commanderflight
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are working closely with other Commander sites and service providers,
>>> oftentimes encouraging them to advertise on our FB page at no cost by
>>> posting stuff of interest. Oftentimes I'd browse sites for AC's for sale
>>> and just post those as stuff of interest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Our Facebook page is slowly creeping to the 1,000 likes mark, oftentimes
>>> gaining 100 likes in a week, depending on the content I publish. The
>>> all-time consistent record breaker is, of course, stuff about Bob Hoover.
>>> In a close second position is material about fancy flying, like the great
>>> video clip about landing on a sandbank that I published a couple of years
>>> ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for everyone who make this a pleasure and keep on
>>> visiting our page regularly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are still trying to work things so that we can attend the fly-in next
>>> month, but if we are not able, having a lot of photographs and videos would
>>> make the absence a bit more bearable. If we are able to make it, well, then
>>> we'll see you all there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It'll be the first fly-in without Moe?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nico
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>> *
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
> down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
The Hilton Garden at KCOS emailed there concern about lack of reservations from
our group. Indicating they are having lots of request for rooms because of AOPA's
convention and want to release the rooms. Please go ahead and make your
res ASAP. Also please email me. I am late in getting the usual registration
forms out, will try this coming week. Hope to a lot of you soon.
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | KCOS Garden Hilton |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Tomorrow, August 31, 2015 is last day to receive TCFG group discount.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Please post on here or email me at daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com if you are coming.
The number in your party. If not WHY NOT. Post if you need a ride and where from.
Please post if you would like a passenger. It would only be reasonable to
help pay expenses, gas etc. I think the AOPA Venue will be very interesting.
Thanks,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/18/15 |
| From: | Dan <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Is this medium dead? I hardly ever see it used. It seems like nearly everyone
has moved to Facebook.
If you are here don't forget the TCFG/ AOPA fly in this coming week.
Dan
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| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/18/15 |
See you Thursday Daniel. We are headed to KBJC tomorrow. I am getting some mountain
flying training on Monday with the Rocky Mountain Flying School. Tuesday
we are flying to Aspen to visit friends for a few days and then to Colorado
Springs on Thursday.
Have my golf course painting ready!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:14 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/18/15
Is this medium dead? I hardly ever see it used. It seems like nearly everyone
has moved to Facebook.
If you are here don't forget the TCFG/ AOPA fly in this coming week.
Dan
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/18/15 |
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
Bob,
I am doing a job at the Leadville Airport.
We are moving the Avgas Ns JetA tanks next to the new hangar.
Needs to be away from the runway.
They give you a certificate for landing at the highest airport.
9927'
I will be in KCOS on Thursday.
Tylor Hall
505-400-8373
Sent from my iPad
Tylor Hall
505-400-8373
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Steele, Bob wrote:
>
>
> See you Thursday Daniel. We are headed to KBJC tomorrow. I am getting some
mountain flying training on Monday with the Rocky Mountain Flying School. Tuesday
we are flying to Aspen to visit friends for a few days and then to Colorado
Springs on Thursday.
>
> Have my golf course painting ready!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:14 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/18/15
>
>
> Is this medium dead? I hardly ever see it used. It seems like nearly everyone
has moved to Facebook.
> If you are here don't forget the TCFG/ AOPA fly in this coming week.
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/18/15 |
Tyler
We will come over and supervise for a while!
My wife's great grandfather was a 21 year old German immigrant in Leadville in
the late 1800's. We have always wanted to visit and I always wanted to get the
certificate.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Tylor Hall wrote:
>
>
> Bob,
> I am doing a job at the Leadville Airport.
> We are moving the Avgas Ns JetA tanks next to the new hangar.
> Needs to be away from the runway.
> They give you a certificate for landing at the highest airport.
> 9927'
> I will be in KCOS on Thursday.
> Tylor Hall
> 505-400-8373
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Tylor Hall
> 505-400-8373
>
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Steele, Bob wrote:
>>
>>
>> See you Thursday Daniel. We are headed to KBJC tomorrow. I am getting some
mountain flying training on Monday with the Rocky Mountain Flying School. Tuesday
we are flying to Aspen to visit friends for a few days and then to Colorado
Springs on Thursday.
>>
>> Have my golf course painting ready!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:14 AM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/18/15
>>
>>
>> Is this medium dead? I hardly ever see it used. It seems like nearly everyone
has moved to Facebook.
>> If you are here don't forget the TCFG/ AOPA fly in this coming week.
>> Dan
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | How can we get a vital Commander forum? |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
I'm not sure I'm doing it right. I've always logged into this forum that's hosted
here at Matronics, even though I'm a TCFG member (I can't log in from the website).
It's not really a forum, it's more of a list. I'm not sure that's the
same forum you see if you log in from the TCFG website, or if I happened to stumble
on some backdoor entry. In any case, all the posts look like a string of
usenet list, with quotes embedded with weird chevrons etc in plain text. It
all looks very 1994 and on code level. Is that how everyone else sees it to?
I would suggest we start a proper forum, with topics, and where members have to
use their own name. I would model it after the Beech Forum, which is exemplary.
I would use that web host engine.
I would also like to see more intermixing and intermingling between the turbine
crowd and the piston crowd. Today there seems to be an abyss between the two
- and no good place to find much information. The factory forum is pretty dead.
If we could somehow combine them all in one place, we might get some real conversation
going.
I understand there's a lot of info that's embedded here in lists from the past
that would not be easy to port to a forum, but as it is now, it's very hard to
search on the Matronics list - one almost has more luck just Googling for it.
Has there been any plans to port this forum or list to a fully blown forum?
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447355#447355
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| Subject: | Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum? |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
G'day Adam,
What cell number can I call you on?
Cheers
Russell
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 4:17 PM, stratobee wrote:
>
> I'm not sure I'm doing it right. I've always logged into this forum that's
> hosted here at Matronics, even though I'm a TCFG member (I can't log in
> from the website). It's not really a forum, it's more of a list. I'm not
> sure that's the same forum you see if you log in from the TCFG website, or
> if I happened to stumble on some backdoor entry. In any case, all the posts
> look like a string of usenet list, with quotes embedded with weird chevrons
> etc in plain text. It all looks very 1994 and on code level. Is that how
> everyone else sees it to?
>
> I would suggest we start a proper forum, with topics, and where members
> have to use their own name. I would model it after the Beech Forum, which
> is exemplary. I would use that web host engine.
>
> I would also like to see more intermixing and intermingling between the
> turbine crowd and the piston crowd. Today there seems to be an abyss
> between the two - and no good place to find much information. The factory
> forum is pretty dead. If we could somehow combine them all in one place, we
> might get some real conversation going.
>
> I understand there's a lot of info that's embedded here in lists from the
> past that would not be easy to port to a forum, but as it is now, it's very
> hard to search on the Matronics list - one almost has more luck just
> Googling for it.
>
> Has there been any plans to port this forum or list to a fully blown forum?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447355#447355
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum? |
| From: | "pbgtutubo ." <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Adam I conquer with you completely,
For one thing, most of Jim Bob's posting do not make it on the forum. How
absurd is that?
Last year, Moe was trying to communicate to Jim about the incoming Fly-in
and Jim was trying to answer but was not being posted on the forum. It
seems indeed that people in Commander land have more and more drifted to
Facebook, where a casual post is fine, but there is no room for a
discussion in that format.
I dont' know if people have been communicating through the new TCFG web
page, but it's been really a long time since I have seen a constructive
conversation or inquiry about Commanders in this forum.
I know that other pillars in this forum such as Keith Gordon and John
Towner have had problems posting as well, and many posting show in the
forum but we do not get it in our emails. When things get too quiet, I have
to log on the forum to realize I have been missing a batch of strings!
All that to say, I agree 100%, that the issue of a better platform
discussion is necessary.
The idea to join both the Turbo and piston Commanders discussions have been
at the core of this group for a long time and the Twin Commander folks have
tried to reach to the piston group as well, but it is obvious that a common
forum where we could all discuss Aero Commanders would be beneficial for
both groups. We should let the users then decide on where to participate
but have the options open.
I have heard of the site being moved somewhere else but the forum itself
has stayed the same.
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 3:17 PM, stratobee wrote:
>
> I'm not sure I'm doing it right. I've always logged into this forum that's
> hosted here at Matronics, even though I'm a TCFG member (I can't log in
> from the website). It's not really a forum, it's more of a list. I'm not
> sure that's the same forum you see if you log in from the TCFG website, or
> if I happened to stumble on some backdoor entry. In any case, all the posts
> look like a string of usenet list, with quotes embedded with weird chevrons
> etc in plain text. It all looks very 1994 and on code level. Is that how
> everyone else sees it to?
>
> I would suggest we start a proper forum, with topics, and where members
> have to use their own name. I would model it after the Beech Forum, which
> is exemplary. I would use that web host engine.
>
> I would also like to see more intermixing and intermingling between the
> turbine crowd and the piston crowd. Today there seems to be an abyss
> between the two - and no good place to find much information. The factory
> forum is pretty dead. If we could somehow combine them all in one place, we
> might get some real conversation going.
>
> I understand there's a lot of info that's embedded here in lists from the
> past that would not be easy to port to a forum, but as it is now, it's very
> hard to search on the Matronics list - one almost has more luck just
> Googling for it.
>
> Has there been any plans to port this forum or list to a fully blown forum?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447355#447355
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum? |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
So, I'm glad someone brought this up as I'm new to the group and absolutely
hating the 1990's communication method :-) I am a software engineer and
own a software company that provides business systems to many different
industries. Only point here is that I own a large amount of web servers
and would be more than happy to host a new forum with the latest forum
software we can find. We can setup a few admins on the group to help
manage it and invite everyone we can find to participate in the talks. I
looked around and found one such forum but there was no activity on it and
I'm not sure why not. Maybe we can all just move over to their site and
start using it instead of using this email list.
My main complaint with this list is some conversations pop in out of
nowhere with an obvious conversation that was going on but I only get a
portion of it.
Just my 2 cents,
Glenn
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:56 AM, pbgtutubo . wrote:
> Adam I conquer with you completely,
>
> For one thing, most of Jim Bob's posting do not make it on the forum. How
> absurd is that?
>
> Last year, Moe was trying to communicate to Jim about the incoming Fly-in
> and Jim was trying to answer but was not being posted on the forum. It
> seems indeed that people in Commander land have more and more drifted to
> Facebook, where a casual post is fine, but there is no room for a
> discussion in that format.
>
> I dont' know if people have been communicating through the new TCFG web
> page, but it's been really a long time since I have seen a constructive
> conversation or inquiry about Commanders in this forum.
>
> I know that other pillars in this forum such as Keith Gordon and John
> Towner have had problems posting as well, and many posting show in the
> forum but we do not get it in our emails. When things get too quiet, I have
> to log on the forum to realize I have been missing a batch of strings!
>
> All that to say, I agree 100%, that the issue of a better platform
> discussion is necessary.
>
> The idea to join both the Turbo and piston Commanders discussions have
> been at the core of this group for a long time and the Twin Commander folks
> have tried to reach to the piston group as well, but it is obvious that a
> common forum where we could all discuss Aero Commanders would be beneficial
> for both groups. We should let the users then decide on where to
> participate but have the options open.
>
> I have heard of the site being moved somewhere else but the forum itself
> has stayed the same.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 3:17 PM, stratobee wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not sure I'm doing it right. I've always logged into this forum
>> that's hosted here at Matronics, even though I'm a TCFG member (I can't log
>> in from the website). It's not really a forum, it's more of a list. I'm not
>> sure that's the same forum you see if you log in from the TCFG website, or
>> if I happened to stumble on some backdoor entry. In any case, all the posts
>> look like a string of usenet list, with quotes embedded with weird chevrons
>> etc in plain text. It all looks very 1994 and on code level. Is that how
>> everyone else sees it to?
>>
>> I would suggest we start a proper forum, with topics, and where members
>> have to use their own name. I would model it after the Beech Forum, which
>> is exemplary. I would use that web host engine.
>>
>> I would also like to see more intermixing and intermingling between the
>> turbine crowd and the piston crowd. Today there seems to be an abyss
>> between the two - and no good place to find much information. The factory
>> forum is pretty dead. If we could somehow combine them all in one place, we
>> might get some real conversation going.
>>
>> I understand there's a lot of info that's embedded here in lists from the
>> past that would not be easy to port to a forum, but as it is now, it's very
>> hard to search on the Matronics list - one almost has more luck just
>> Googling for it.
>>
>> Has there been any plans to port this forum or list to a fully blown
>> forum?
>>
>> --------
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447355#447355
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
down to their level and beat you with experience.
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| Subject: | Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum? |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Hi Russel.
I can be reached on 310 383-2944.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447400#447400
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| Subject: | Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum? |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Hi Adam,
Great - will call you tomorrow (Thursday).
Cheers
Russell
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:19 PM, stratobee wrote:
>
> Hi Russel.
>
> I can be reached on 310 383-2944.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447400#447400
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum? |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available, but it kind
of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com is available, and
so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that was the correct manufacturing
name for the models made under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want
to make anyone feel excluded.
Thoughts?
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
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| From: | Eric Williams <williams.ericlofton(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum? |
Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee wrote:
>
>
> Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available, but it kind
of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com is available, and
so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that was the correct manufacturing
name for the models made under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want
to make anyone feel excluded.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum? |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Registered www.twincommanders.com now.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447424#447424
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| Subject: | Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum? |
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| Subject: | Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum? |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
So I'm a bit confused:
1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/
that seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted
something there before finding this email list that to this day still has
not been responded to. Why?
2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to leave
it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why
does no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly
as it and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this email
list?
The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps
all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone
stuck on the email list?
Thanks,
Glenn
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams <
williams.ericlofton(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> williams.ericlofton(at)gmail.com>
>
> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
>
> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee wrote:
> >
> >
> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available, but
> it kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com is
> available, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that was
> the correct manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell and
> Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > --------
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
down to their level and beat you with experience.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico hMail" <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: How can we get a vital Commander |
forum?
The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
Adam,
I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forwarded to
www.twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I put "own" in
quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, which I just put on my
ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS entries.
I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook page. It is
reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all
over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash
after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the
thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The
facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero
Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other
technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years ago
by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There are
tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain more
about these resources as they have been intimately involved in shaping
what these sites have become, not discounting others' contributions over
the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and piston
Commanders there.
If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not
really used in its current form.
If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital
Commander forum?
So I'm a bit confused:
1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/
that seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted
something there before finding this email list that to this day still
has not been responded to. Why?
2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to
leave it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question
is, why does no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored
as badly as it and why don't we all just move over there and stop using
this email list?
The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps
all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone
stuck on the email list?
Thanks,
Glenn
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
wrote:
Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee wrote:
>
>
> Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available,
but it kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
is available, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that
was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell
and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
>
>
br> ander-List" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
FORUMS -
eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
b Site -
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
you down to their level and beat you with experience.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico hMail" <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | Jim Metzger and N222JS |
Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS crashed
on landing at Boise ID airport.
The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no
person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your
prayers.
Read all about it with pictures and video:
https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico
hMail
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
vital Commander forum?
The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
Adam,
I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forwarded to
www.twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I put "own" in
quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, which I just put on my
ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS entries.
I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook page. It is
reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all
over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash
after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the
thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The
facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero
Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other
technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years ago
by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There are
tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain more
about these resources as they have been intimately involved in shaping
what these sites have become, not discounting others' contributions over
the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and piston
Commanders there.
If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not
really used in its current form.
If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital
Commander forum?
So I'm a bit confused:
1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/
that seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted
something there before finding this email list that to this day still
has not been responded to. Why?
2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to
leave it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question
is, why does no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored
as badly as it and why don't we all just move over there and stop using
this email list?
The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps
all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone
stuck on the email list?
Thanks,
Glenn
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
wrote:
Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee wrote:
>
>
> Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available,
but it kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
is available, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that
was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell
and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
>
>
br> ander-List" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
FORUMS -
eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
b Site -
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
you down to their level and beat you with experience.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Nico - I appreciate what has been done by you on Facebook, problem is I gave up
Facebook two years ago and nothing, not even Commanders will make me come back.
I'm also a reader of pretty much every flying forum there is, so what I want
is only Commander specific stuff. I'm less interested in reading about aviation
news in general, because I see it on all the other forums and websites too.
But like Glenn said - maybe we should just use the one over at Flightlevels?
I would like it to be under real names, but i suppose it works as is. Does anybody
know who runs that board?
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447452#447452
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: How can we get a vital Commander for |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Nico - I appreciate what has been done by you on Facebook, problem is I gave up
Facebook two years ago and nothing, not even Commanders will make me come back.
I'm also a reader of pretty much every flying forum there is, so what I want
is only Commander specific stuff. I'm less interested in reading about aviation
news in general, because I see it on all the other forums and websites too.
But like Glenn said - maybe we should just use the one over at Flightlevels?
I would like it to be under real names, but i suppose it works as is. Does anybody
know who runs that board?
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447453#447453
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Hi Adam,
I will call you soon to discuss the website and chatlist - I am sure we can
improve on the status quo.
Cheers
Russell
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:54 PM, stratobee wrote:
>
> Nico - I appreciate what has been done by you on Facebook, problem is I
> gave up Facebook two years ago and nothing, not even Commanders will make
> me come back. I'm also a reader of pretty much every flying forum there is,
> so what I want is only Commander specific stuff. I'm less interested in
> reading about aviation news in general, because I see it on all the other
> forums and websites too.
>
> But like Glenn said - maybe we should just use the one over at
> Flightlevels?
> I would like it to be under real names, but i suppose it works as is. Does
> anybody know who runs that board?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447452#447452
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
What is the latest on Metzger ? Hope he is OK ? Gil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 26, 2015, at 12:54 AM, "stratobee" wrote:
>
>
> Nico - I appreciate what has been done by you on Facebook, problem is I gave
up Facebook two years ago and nothing, not even Commanders will make me come back.
I'm also a reader of pretty much every flying forum there is, so what I want
is only Commander specific stuff. I'm less interested in reading about aviation
news in general, because I see it on all the other forums and websites too.
>
> But like Glenn said - maybe we should just use the one over at Flightlevels?
> I would like it to be under real names, but i suppose it works as is. Does anybody
know who runs that board?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447452#447452
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
Nico,
I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The problem
is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and post
pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to follow
conversations or search for specific information is impossible. I would
like to see a forum that is specific to our common interests and that we
can control better.
As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com
and created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we
all need to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one
person be involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on,
the others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of
you has registered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed at my
server and both domains would resolve to the same place for now but
could be different later.
2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that if
something were to happen to the person owning the server, that others
can have it transferred to another server.
3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me placing
the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one of the
popular sites and we could place it there. You will get into disk size
limits and other possible problems in that situation as well as costs
involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm not rich
but I do have the money to cover the server and operational costs. I
just want somewhere that we can all gather and discuss what interests us
about the Commanders family and not have to join an email list that I
have a hard time keeping track of conversations or Facebook where I have
to filter through everything.
I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem to
be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so
far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like that
unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that
I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope
he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
Glenn
On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>
> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS
> crashed on landing at Boise ID airport.
>
>
>
> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no
> person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>
>
>
> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
> concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your prayers.
>
>
>
> Read all about it with pictures and video:
> https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Nico
> hMail
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get
> a vital Commander forum?
>
>
>
> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>
>
>
> Adam,
>
>
>
> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com <http://www.aerocommander.com>
> domain, which is forwarded to www.twincommander.org
> <http://www.twincommander.org> where TCFG's web page is located. I put
> "own" in quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, which I
> just put on my ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS entries.
>
>
>
> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight
> <http://www.facebook.com/commanderflight> facebook page. It is
> reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all
> over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter
> crash after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing
> by the thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting.
> The facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero
> Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other
> technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years
> ago by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There
> are tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain
> more about these resources as they have been intimately involved in
> shaping what these sites have become, not discounting others'
> contributions over the years. You will notice a distinct presence of
> turbines and piston Commanders there.
>
>
>
> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
> productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
> follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not
> really used in its current form.
>
>
>
> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Glenn Hancock
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
> vital Commander forum?
>
>
>
> So I'm a bit confused:
>
> 1) There is already a site at
> http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ that seems dedicated to
> commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted something there
> before finding this email list that to this day still has not been
> responded to. Why?
>
> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com
> <http://twincommandersgroup.com> and plan to leave it up as long as
> you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why does no one
> use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly as it
> and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this email list?
>
> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it
> keeps all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old
> topics.
>
> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone
> stuck on the email list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
> >
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com <http://twincommanders.com>
> sound good to me.
>
>
> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com
> <http://Www.twincommanders.com> is available, but it kind of suggest
> turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
> <http://Www.aerocommanders.com> is available, and so is
> aerocommanderforum.com <http://aerocommanderforum.com>, but I'm not
> sure that was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under
> Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > --------
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ==========
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> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> ==========
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> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
> ==========
> b Site -
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ==========
>
>
> --
>
> --glenn hancock
>
>
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
> you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
>
> * *
> * *
> * *
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List*
> * *
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
> * *
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> * *
> * *
> * *
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> **
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> **
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>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
Glen and Nico
Jim is doing better and is going into surgery today some time. This is
to put his hip back together.
He was able to wiggle his toes and that is suppose to be good.
The meeting here in Colorado Springs went well and people are now
leaving to go home.
Call me on my cell and I can tell you more.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
ACN IBO Member
401 Monte Alto PL NE
Albuquerque, NM 87123
505-247-3001
505-400-8373 Cell
tylorhall.acndirect.com
> On Sep 27, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Glenn Hancock wrote:
>
> Nico,
>
> I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The
problem is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and
post pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to
follow conversations or search for specific information is impossible.
I would like to see a forum that is specific to our common interests and
that we can control better.
>
> As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com
and created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we
all need to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one
person be involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on,
the others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of
you has registered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed at my
server and both domains would resolve to the same place for now but
could be different later.
>
> 2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that
if something were to happen to the person owning the server, that others
can have it transferred to another server.
>
> 3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me
placing the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one
of the popular sites and we could place it there. You will get into
disk size limits and other possible problems in that situation as well
as costs involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm
not rich but I do have the money to cover the server and operational
costs. I just want somewhere that we can all gather and discuss what
interests us about the Commanders family and not have to join an email
list that I have a hard time keeping track of conversations or Facebook
where I have to filter through everything.
>
> I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem
to be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so
far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like that
unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that
I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope
he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
>
> Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
>
> Glenn
>
> On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS
crashed on landing at Boise ID airport.
>>
>> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no
person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>>
>> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your
prayers.
>>
>> Read all about it with pictures and video:
https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
>>
>> Nico
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Nico
hMail
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
vital Commander forum?
>>
>> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>>
>> Adam,
>>
>> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com
<http://www.aerocommander.com/> domain, which is forwarded to
www.twincommander.org <http://www.twincommander.org/> where TCFG's web
page is located. I put "own" in quotes because it really is the property
of TCFG, which I just put on my ICANN register to manage the domain's
DNS entries.
>>
>> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight
<http://www.facebook.com/commanderflight> facebook page. It is
reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all
over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash
after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the
thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The
facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero
Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other
technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years ago
by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There are
tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain more
about these resources as they have been intimately involved in shaping
what these sites have become, not discounting others' contributions over
the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and piston
Commanders there.
>>
>> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will
have to follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is
not really used in its current form.
>>
>> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Nico
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
vital Commander forum?
>>
>> So I'm a bit confused:
>>
>> 1) There is already a site at
http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/
<http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/> that seems dedicated to
commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted something there before
finding this email list that to this day still has not been responded
to. Why?
>>
>> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com
<http://twincommandersgroup.com/> and plan to leave it up as long as you
guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why does no one use the
other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly as it and why
don't we all just move over there and stop using this email list?
>>
>> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it
keeps all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old
topics.
>>
>> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is
everyone stuck on the email list?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com
<http://twincommanders.com/> sound good to me.
>>
>> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee > wrote:
>> >
>
>> >
>> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com
<http://www.twincommanders.com/> is available, but it kind of suggest
turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
<http://www.aerocommanders.com/> is available, and so is
aerocommanderforum.com <http://aerocommanderforum.com/>, but I'm not
sure that was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under
Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Adam
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> br> ander-List" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
>> ==========
>> FORUMS -
>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
<http://forums.matronics.com/>
>> ==========
>> b Site -
>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --glenn hancock
>>
>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
Glad to hear Jim is going to be OK . How did the accident happen ? Gil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 27, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Tylor Hall wrote:
>
> Glen and Nico
> Jim is doing better and is going into surgery today some time. This is to
put his hip back together.
> He was able to wiggle his toes and that is suppose to be good.
>
> The meeting here in Colorado Springs went well and people are now leaving t
o go home.
>
> Call me on my cell and I can tell you more.
>
> Tylor Hall
> tylorhall(at)mac.com
> ACN IBO Member
> 401 Monte Alto PL NE
> Albuquerque, NM 87123
> 505-247-3001
> 505-400-8373 Cell
> tylorhall.acndirect.com
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Sep 27, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Glenn Hancock wrote:
>>
>> Nico,
>>
>> I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The problem i
s that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and post pictures
and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to follow conversations o
r search for specific information is impossible. I would like to see a foru
m that is specific to our common interests and that we can control better.
>>
>> As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com an
d created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we all n
eed to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one person be
involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on, the other
s can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of you has regist
ered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed at my server and both domain
s would resolve to the same place for now but could be different later.
>>
>> 2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that if s
omething were to happen to the person owning the server, that others can hav
e it transferred to another server.
>>
>> 3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me placing t
he forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one of the popular
sites and we could place it there. You will get into disk size limits and o
ther possible problems in that situation as well as costs involved that I
'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm not rich but I do have the mo
ney to cover the server and operational costs. I just want somewhere that w
e can all gather and discuss what interests us about the Commanders family a
nd not have to join an email list that I have a hard time keeping track of c
onversations or Facebook where I have to filter through everything.
>>
>> I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem to b
e some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so far. I c
an't believe an engine failure would cause something like that unless power w
as added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that I haven't begun to
fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope he recovers and gets ba
ck to flying soon.
>>
>> Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>>> On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>>> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS crashed
on landing at Boise ID airport.
>>>
>>> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no pe
rson by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>>>
>>> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very conce
rned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your prayers.
>>>
>>> Read all about it with pictures and video: https://www.facebook.com/COM
MANDERFLIGHT
>>>
>>> Nico
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-
list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico hMail
>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
>>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vi
tal Commander forum?
>>>
>>> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>>>
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forwarded to ww
w.twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I put "own" in quotes b
ecause it really is the property of TCFG, which I just put on my ICANN regis
ter to manage the domain's DNS entries.
>>>
>>> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook page. It is
reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all over
the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash after a
n aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the thousands e
very day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The facebook page accomm
odates posts from aviation in general but Aero Commanders in particular. Man
y of the articles, brochures, and other technical data were uploaded from th
e original CD's sent to me years ago by (I cannot recall) and are visible on
the facebook page. There are tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will b
e able to explain more about these resources as they have been intimately in
volved in shaping what these sites have become, not discounting others' cont
ributions over the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines an
d piston Commanders there.
>>>
>>> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used productively
. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to follow the domain, t
oo. I kept it up for a generation and it is not really used in its current f
orm.
>>>
>>> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Nico
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-
list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock
>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
>>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital C
ommander forum?
>>>
>>> So I'm a bit confused:
>>>
>>> 1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ t
hat seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted some
thing there before finding this email list that to this day still has not be
en responded to. Why?
>>>
>>> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to lea
ve it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why
does no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly a
s it and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this email lis
t?
>>>
>>> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps
all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
>>>
>>> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone s
tuck on the email list?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams wrote:
@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
>>>
>>> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee wrote:
>>> >
>
>>> >
>>> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available, bu
t it kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com is ava
ilable, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that was the corr
ect manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Ag
ain, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
>>> >
>>> > Thoughts?
>>> >
>>> > --------
>>> > Adam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>> >
>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> br> ander-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>>> ==========
>>> FORUMS -
>>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> b Site -
>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --glenn hancock
>>>
>>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag yo
u down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" class="">htt
p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> class="">http://forums.matronics.com
>> class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Glenn <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Great to hear.
Glenn
On 09/27/2015 11:24 AM, Tylor Hall wrote:
> Glen and Nico
> Jim is doing better and is going into surgery today some time. This
> is to put his hip back together.
> He was able to wiggle his toes and that is suppose to be good.
>
> The meeting here in Colorado Springs went well and people are now
> leaving to go home.
>
> Call me on my cell and I can tell you more.
>
> Tylor Hall
> tylorhall(at)mac.com
> ACN IBO Member
> 401 Monte Alto PL NE
> Albuquerque, NM 87123
> 505-247-3001
> 505-400-8373 Cell
> tylorhall.acndirect.com <http://tylorhall.acndirect.com>
>
>
>> On Sep 27, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Glenn Hancock > > wrote:
>>
>> Nico,
>>
>> I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The
>> problem is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk
>> and post pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying
>> to follow conversations or search for specific information is
>> impossible. I would like to see a forum that is specific to our
>> common interests and that we can control better.
>>
>> As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at
>> twincommandergroup.com <http://twincommandergroup.com> and created a
>> few sections for conversations. There are a few things we all need
>> to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one person be
>> involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on, the
>> others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of
>> you has registered twincommanders.com <http://twincommanders.com>.
>> That could be pointed at my server and both domains would resolve to
>> the same place for now but could be different later.
>>
>> 2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that
>> if something were to happen to the person owning the server, that
>> others can have it transferred to another server.
>>
>> 3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me
>> placing the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from
>> one of the popular sites and we could place it there. You will get
>> into disk size limits and other possible problems in that situation
>> as well as costs involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the
>> moment. I'm not rich but I do have the money to cover the server and
>> operational costs. I just want somewhere that we can all gather and
>> discuss what interests us about the Commanders family and not have to
>> join an email list that I have a hard time keeping track of
>> conversations or Facebook where I have to filter through everything.
>>
>> I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem
>> to be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report
>> so far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like
>> that unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a
>> 680F that I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what
>> happened. I hope he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
>>
>> Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS
>>> crashed on landing at Boise ID airport.
>>>
>>> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is
>>> no person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>>>
>>> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
>>> concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your
>>> prayers.
>>>
>>> Read all about it with pictures and video:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
>>>
>>> Nico
>>>
>>> *From:*owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Nico hMail
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
>>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: [matronics.com <http://matronics.com>] Re:
>>> Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum?
>>>
>>> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>>>
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com
>>> <http://www.aerocommander.com/> domain, which is forwarded to
>>> www.twincommander.org <http://www.twincommander.org/> where TCFG's
>>> web page is located. I put "own" in quotes because it really is the
>>> property of TCFG, which I just put on my ICANN register to manage
>>> the domain's DNS entries.
>>>
>>> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight
>>> <http://www.facebook.com/commanderflight> facebook page. It is
>>> reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from
>>> all over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the
>>> helicopter crash after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000
>>> and climbing by the thousands every day. The average is about
>>> 200-300 per posting. The facebook page accommodates posts from
>>> aviation in general but Aero Commanders in particular. Many of the
>>> articles, brochures, and other technical data were uploaded from the
>>> original CD's sent to me years ago by (I cannot recall) and are
>>> visible on the facebook page. There are tons of stuff there. The
>>> Metzger friends will be able to explain more about these resources
>>> as they have been intimately involved in shaping what these sites
>>> have become, not discounting others' contributions over the years.
>>> You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and piston
>>> Commanders there.
>>>
>>> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
>>> productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
>>> follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not
>>> really used in its current form.
>>>
>>> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Nico
>>>
>>> *From:*owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>
>>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Glenn Hancock
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
>>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* [matronics.com <http://matronics.com>] Re:
>>> Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum?
>>>
>>> So I'm a bit confused:
>>>
>>> 1) There is already a site at
>>> http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ that seems dedicated to
>>> commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted something there
>>> before finding this email list that to this day still has not been
>>> responded to. Why?
>>>
>>> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com
>>> <http://twincommandersgroup.com/> and plan to leave it up as long as
>>> you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why does no one
>>> use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly as it
>>> and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this email
>>> list?
>>>
>>> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it
>>> keeps all of the posts organized so people can go back and search
>>> old topics.
>>>
>>> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is
>>> everyone stuck on the email list?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Aerocommanders.com <http://Aerocommanders.com> and
>>> twincommanders.com <http://twincommanders.com/> sound good to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee >> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com
>>> <http://www.twincommanders.com/> is available, but it kind of
>>> suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
>>> <http://www.aerocommanders.com/> is available, and so is
>>> aerocommanderforum.com <http://aerocommanderforum.com/>, but I'm not
>>> sure that was the correct manufacturing name for the models made
>>> under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel
>>> excluded.
>>> >
>>> > Thoughts?
>>> >
>>> > --------
>>> > Adam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>> >
>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> br> ander-List" rel="noreferrer"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>>> ==========
>>> FORUMS -
>>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>>> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>>> ==========
>>> b Site -
>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> --glenn hancock
>>>
>>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just
>>> drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>>
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **
>>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List*
>>> **
>>> *http://forums.matronics.com *
>>> **
>>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **
>>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List*
>>> **
>>> **
>>> *http://forums.matronics.com*
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **
>>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **
>>
>> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"
>> class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> class="">http://forums.matronics.com
>> class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution *
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico hMail" <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
I don't disagree with you, guys.
I use Facebook for several reasons, such as personal, business,
political, religious and aviation.
Personal: I have hooked up with family and friends whom I have had no
possible chance of ever meeting again. Only that is cause for me to keep
Facebook alive.
Business: I spent a sizable amount of sweat and tears trying to keep my
customer service with my customers on an almost-instant-response basis.
We are looking at testing a "secret" site on Facebook, which is what I
think we may consider for an Aero Commander forum, which is limited to
subscribers only.
Political: I believe that the world's liberty-loving people are under
assault and I am doing my best to educate people to stand with me
against the coming overthrow of democratic institutions and return the
Occident to totalitarianism.
Religious: besides the fact that I am a practicing Christian (a faulty
one to boot) I have been teaching the Christian doctrine for a
generation or so and Facebook turned out to be reaching more
truth-seekers than with any other forum that I have ever used. Education
in good moral values which sustain liberty, peace and prosperity only
counts in quality if quantity gets to see it.
I mention aviation last, because that is what this email is about. I
cannot agree more with the Aero Commander sympathies expressed here. I
owned a straight-500 and will always cherish the about 1,000 hours I put
on her. However, aviation and nature in general is a fascinating matter
to me, which is why I broadened the scope of my Facebook page on Aero
Commanders. The helicopter flop and breakup into the ocean after an
aerobatic maneuver gone bad, for example, reached almost 90,000 people!
For an exchange of ideas, parts, and other AC concerns, I would agree
that a generalized forum might be counterproductive, since the majority
of the people visiting the facebook.com/commanderflight pages, might not
be able to make a productive contribution anyway. We would want to see
Morris, the Metzgers, Andy Downs, and Keith Gordon and many others
become members of such a portal.
That is why I want to suggest, before we spend money on servers,
bandwidth and developing sites, let's see if a secret facebook site
might serve our purpose, which takes care of the domain ownership, DNS
records and costs of ownership. I belong to a secret page on some other
forum and only invited members can participate, see the postings, and
can be expelled for misbehavior and other counterproductive issues. It
just prevents having another userid and password floating around for
most folks.
If TCFG would concur, I'll donate the www.aerocommander.com domain to
whomever whishes to pursue the goal of a portal in which such a forum
would be established.
Just my take on things.
Thanks for the feedback.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:58 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
Nico,
I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The problem
is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and post
pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to follow
conversations or search for specific information is impossible. I would
like to see a forum that is specific to our common interests and that we
can control better.
As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com
and created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we
all need to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one
person be involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on,
the others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of
you has registered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed at my
server and both domains would resolve to the same place for now but
could be different later.
2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that if
something were to happen to the person owning the server, that others
can have it transferred to another server.
3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me placing
the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one of the
popular sites and we could place it there. You will get into disk size
limits and other possible problems in that situation as well as costs
involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm not rich
but I do have the money to cover the server and operational costs. I
just want somewhere that we can all gather and discuss what interests us
about the Commanders family and not have to join an email list that I
have a hard time keeping track of conversations or Facebook where I have
to filter through everything.
I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem to
be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so
far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like that
unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that
I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope
he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
Glenn
On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS crashed
on landing at Boise ID airport.
The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no
person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your
prayers.
Read all about it with pictures and video:
https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico
hMail
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
vital Commander forum?
The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
Adam,
I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forwarded to
www.twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I put "own" in
quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, which I just put on my
ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS entries.
I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook page. It is
reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all
over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash
after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the
thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The
facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero
Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other
technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years ago
by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There are
tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain more
about these resources as they have been intimately involved in shaping
what these sites have become, not discounting others' contributions over
the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and piston
Commanders there.
If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not
really used in its current form.
If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital
Commander forum?
So I'm a bit confused:
1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/
that seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted
something there before finding this email list that to this day still
has not been responded to. Why?
2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to
leave it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question
is, why does no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored
as badly as it and why don't we all just move over there and stop using
this email list?
The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps
all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone
stuck on the email list?
Thanks,
Glenn
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
wrote:
Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee wrote:
>
>
> Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available,
but it kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
is available, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that
was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell
and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
>
>
br> ander-List" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
FORUMS -
eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
b Site -
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
you down to their level and beat you with experience.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
So my 2 cents:
First off I'm not that concerned with why people use Facebook nor do I
want to argue its merits. I'm only concerned with being able to get in
touch with like minded people about my Twin Commander. So to me, the
question comes down to whether we want to post things to a blog of sorts
or a forum. To understand the difference you'd only have to go to
facebook and try to find a conversation that got started 2 months ago
that you were participating in or going to a forum and doing the same.
The forums are threaded for a reason and they keep track of an entire
conversation in one easy to follow link. A blog is nothing more than a
bunch of people posting comments about this that or the other and there
is no easy way to search through history or to find a specific topic you
might be interested in, and post a comment.
I'm also not interested in how many followers anyone has on Facebook as
those people don't fly and probably never have flown a Twin Commander.
I'm only interested in the couple hundred people that are flying the
planes today that can help me and that I might be able to help.
I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching
videos isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in
personally.
This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of
conversations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person
instead of the group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit
then pops back in later with half the conversation missing.
so there we are: :-)
Glenn
On 9/27/15 9:30 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>
> I don't disagree with you, guys.
>
>
>
> I use Facebook for several reasons, such as personal, business,
> political, religious and aviation.
>
>
>
> Personal: I have hooked up with family and friends whom I have had no
> possible chance of ever meeting again. Only that is cause for me to
> keep Facebook alive.
>
>
>
> Business: I spent a sizable amount of sweat and tears trying to keep
> my customer service with my customers on an almost-instant-response
> basis. We are looking at testing a "secret" site on Facebook, which is
> what I think we may consider for an Aero Commander forum, which is
> limited to subscribers only.
>
>
>
> Political: I believe that the world's liberty-loving people are under
> assault and I am doing my best to educate people to stand with me
> against the coming overthrow of democratic institutions and return the
> Occident to totalitarianism.
>
>
>
> Religious: besides the fact that I am a practicing Christian (a faulty
> one to boot) I have been teaching the Christian doctrine for a
> generation or so and Facebook turned out to be reaching more
> truth-seekers than with any other forum that I have ever used.
> Education in good moral values which sustain liberty, peace and
> prosperity only counts in quality if quantity gets to see it.
>
>
>
> I mention aviation last, because that is what this email is about. I
> cannot agree more with the Aero Commander sympathies expressed here. I
> owned a straight-500 and will always cherish the about 1,000 hours I
> put on her. However, aviation and nature in general is a fascinating
> matter to me, which is why I broadened the scope of my Facebook page
> on Aero Commanders. The helicopter flop and breakup into the ocean
> after an aerobatic maneuver gone bad, for example, reached almost
> 90,000 people!
>
>
>
> For an exchange of ideas, parts, and other AC concerns, I would agree
> that a generalized forum might be counterproductive, since the
> majority of the people visiting the facebook.com/commanderflight
> pages, might not be able to make a productive contribution anyway. We
> would want to see Morris, the Metzgers, Andy Downs, and Keith Gordon
> and many others become members of such a portal.
>
>
>
> That is why I want to suggest, before we spend money on servers,
> bandwidth and developing sites, let's see if a secret facebook site
> might serve our purpose, which takes care of the domain ownership, DNS
> records and costs of ownership. I belong to a secret page on some
> other forum and only invited members can participate, see the
> postings, and can be expelled for misbehavior and other
> counterproductive issues. It just prevents having another userid and
> password floating around for most folks.
>
>
>
> If TCFG would concur, I'll donate the www.aerocommander.com domain to
> whomever whishes to pursue the goal of a portal in which such a forum
> would be established.
>
>
>
> Just my take on things.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Glenn Hancock
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:58 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
>
>
> Nico,
>
> I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The
> problem is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk
> and post pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to
> follow conversations or search for specific information is
> impossible. I would like to see a forum that is specific to our
> common interests and that we can control better.
>
> As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com
> and created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things
> we all need to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one
> person be involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes
> on, the others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that
> one of you has registered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed
> at my server and both domains would resolve to the same place for now
> but could be different later.
>
> 2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that
> if something were to happen to the person owning the server, that
> others can have it transferred to another server.
>
> 3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me
> placing the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one
> of the popular sites and we could place it there. You will get into
> disk size limits and other possible problems in that situation as well
> as costs involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm
> not rich but I do have the money to cover the server and operational
> costs. I just want somewhere that we can all gather and discuss what
> interests us about the Commanders family and not have to join an email
> list that I have a hard time keeping track of conversations or
> Facebook where I have to filter through everything.
>
> I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem
> to be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report
> so far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like
> that unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a
> 680F that I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what
> happened. I hope he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
>
> Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
>
> Glenn
>
> On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>
> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS
> crashed on landing at Boise ID airport.
>
>
>
> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is
> no person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>
>
>
> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
> concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your
> prayers.
>
>
>
> Read all about it with pictures and video:
> https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
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> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Nico hMail
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we
> get a vital Commander forum?
>
>
>
> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>
>
>
> Adam,
>
>
>
> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com
> <http://www.aerocommander.com> domain, which is forwarded to
> www.twincommander.org <http://www.twincommander.org> where TCFG's
> web page is located. I put "own" in quotes because it really is
> the property of TCFG, which I just put on my ICANN register to
> manage the domain's DNS entries.
>
>
>
> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight
> <http://www.facebook.com/commanderflight> facebook page. It is
> reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from
> all over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the
> helicopter crash after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at
> 89,000 and climbing by the thousands every day. The average is
> about 200-300 per posting. The facebook page accommodates posts
> from aviation in general but Aero Commanders in particular. Many
> of the articles, brochures, and other technical data were uploaded
> from the original CD's sent to me years ago by (I cannot recall)
> and are visible on the facebook page. There are tons of stuff
> there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain more about
> these resources as they have been intimately involved in shaping
> what these sites have become, not discounting others'
> contributions over the years. You will notice a distinct presence
> of turbines and piston Commanders there.
>
>
>
> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
> productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have
> to follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is
> not really used in its current form.
>
>
>
> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Glenn Hancock
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get
> a vital Commander forum?
>
>
>
> So I'm a bit confused:
>
> 1) There is already a site at
> http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ that seems dedicated to
> commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted something there
> before finding this email list that to this day still has not been
> responded to. Why?
>
> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com
> <http://twincommandersgroup.com> and plan to leave it up as long
> as you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why does
> no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as
> badly as it and why don't we all just move over there and stop
> using this email list?
>
> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it
> keeps all of the posts organized so people can go back and search
> old topics.
>
> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is
> everyone stuck on the email list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
> > wrote:
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> >
>
> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com
> <http://twincommanders.com> sound good to me.
>
>
> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com
> <http://Www.twincommanders.com> is available, but it kind of
> suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
> <http://Www.aerocommanders.com> is available, and so is
> aerocommanderforum.com <http://aerocommanderforum.com>, but I'm
> not sure that was the correct manufacturing name for the models
> made under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make
> anyone feel excluded.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > --------
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
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| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching video
s isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in personally.
This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of conver
sations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person instead of t
he group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit then pops ba
ck in later with half the conversation missing.
so there we are: :-)
And that's where I am, too.
Keith S Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee, Past Chairman
Las Vegas Metroplex Co-Lead, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
So my 2 cents:
First off I'm not that concerned with why people use Facebook nor do
I want to argue its merits. I'm only concerned with being able to get
in touch with like minded people about my Twin Commander. So to me, the
question comes down to whether we want to post things to a blog of sort
s or a forum. To understand the difference you'd only have to go to fac
ebook and try to find a conversation that got started 2 months ago that
you were participating in or going to a forum and doing the same.
The forums are threaded for a reason and they keep track of an entir
e conversation in one easy to follow link. A blog is nothing more than
a bunch of people posting comments about this that or the other and ther
e is no easy way to search through history or to find a specific topic y
ou might be interested in, and post a comment.
I'm also not interested in how many followers anyone has on Facebook
as those people don't fly and probably never have flown a Twin Commande
r. I'm only interested in the couple hundred people that are flying the
planes today that can help me and that I might be able to help.
I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching v
ideos isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in personall
y.
This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of conver
sations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person instead of t
he group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit then pops ba
ck in later with half the conversation missing.
so there we are: :-)
Glenn
On 9/27/15 9:30 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
I don't disagree with you, guys.
I use Facebook for several reasons, such as personal,
business, political, religious and aviation.
Personal: I have hooked up with family and friends whom I have h
ad no possible chance of ever meeting again. Only that is cause
for me to keep Facebook alive.
Business: I spent a sizable amount of sweat and tears trying to
keep my customer service with my customers on an almo
st-instant-response basis. We are looking at testing a "secret"
site on Facebook, which is what I think we may consider for an A
ero Commander forum, which is limited to subscribers only.
Political: I believe that the world's liberty-loving people are
under assault and I am doing my best to educate people to stand
with me against the coming overthrow of democratic in
stitutions and return the Occident to totalitarianism.
Religious: besides the fact that I am a practicing Christian (a
faulty one to boot) I have been teaching the Christian doctrine
for a generation or so and Facebook turned out to be reaching
more truth-seekers than with any other forum that I have
ever used. Education in good moral values which sustain libert
y, peace and prosperity only counts in quality if quantity gets
to see it.
I mention aviation last, because that is what this email is
about. I cannot agree more with the Aero Commander sympat
hies expressed here. I owned a straight-500 and will always cher
ish the about 1,000 hours I put on her. However, aviation and na
ture in general is a fascinating matter to me, which is why I br
oadened the scope of my Facebook page on Aero Commanders. The he
licopter flop and breakup into the ocean after an aerobatic mane
uver gone bad, for example, reached almost 90,000 people!
For an exchange of ideas, parts, and other AC concerns, I would
agree that a generalized forum might be counterproductive,
since the majority of the people visiting the facebook.com
/commanderflight pages, might not be able to make a productive c
ontribution anyway. We would want to see Morris, the Metzgers, A
ndy Downs, and Keith Gordon and many others become members of su
ch a portal.
That is why I want to suggest, before we spend money on servers,
bandwidth and developing sites, let's see if a secret
facebook site might serve our purpose, which takes care of the
domain ownership, DNS records and costs of ownership. I belong
to a secret page on some other forum and only invited members ca
n participate, see the postings, and can be expelled for misbeha
vior and other counterproductive issues. It just prevents having
another userid and password floating around for most folks.
If TCFG would concur, I'll donate the www.aerocommander.com
domain to whomever whishes to pursue the goal of a portal in
which such a forum would be established.
Just my take on things.
Thanks for the feedback.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On B
ehalf Of Glenn Hancock
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:58 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim
Metzger and N222JS
Nico,
I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook.
The problem is that it's simply a gossip center where people g
o to talk and post pictures and videos. It's not subject specific
and trying to follow conversations or search for specific informa
tion is impossible. I would like to see a forum that is specific
to our common interests and that we can control better.
As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincomm
andergroup.com and created a few sections for conversations. Ther
e are a few things we all need to consider with a forum like this.
1) That more than one person be involved in the domain name so t
hat when one of us passes on, the others can pickup the forum. On
e possible solution is that one of you has registered twincommande
rs.com. That could be pointed at my server and both domains would
resolve to the same place for now but could be different later.
2) That the people involved have some sort of written ag
reement that if something were to happen to the person owning the
server, that others can have it transferred to another server.
3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of
me placing the forum on my own server I could just rent a se
rver from one of the popular sites and we could place it there. Y
ou will get into disk size limits and other possible problems in t
hat situation as well as costs involved that I'm more than happy t
o foot at the moment. I'm not rich but I do have the money to cov
er the server and operational costs. I just want somewhere that w
e can all gather and discuss what interests us about the Commander
s family and not have to join an email list that I have a hard tim
e keeping track of conversations or Facebook where I have to filte
r through everything.
I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident
would seem to be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the
accident report so far. I can't believe an engine failure would c
ause something like that unless power was added after the failure.
I just purchased a 680F that I haven't begun to fly so am very i
nterested in what happened. I hope he recovers and gets back to f
lying soon.
Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
Glenn
On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when
N222JS crashed on landing at Boise ID airport.
The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said
there is no person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we
are very concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim
and Sue in your prayers.
Read all about it with pictures and video: https://www.facebo
ok.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Nico hMail
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Command
er-List: Re: How can we get a vital Commander forum?
The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
Adam,
I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forward
ed to www.twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I
put "own" in quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, w
hich I just put on my ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS
entries.
I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook pag
e. It is reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fa
ns are from all over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had
is the helicopter crash after an aerobatic maneuver, which stan
ds at 89,000 and climbing by the thousands every day. The averag
e is about 200-300 per posting. The facebook page accommodates p
osts from aviation in general but Aero Commanders in particular.
Many of the articles, brochures, and other technical data were
uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years ago by (I canno
t recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There are tons
of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain
more about these resources as they have been intimately in
volved in shaping what these sites have become, not discounting
others' contributions over the years. You will notice a distinct
presence of turbines and piston Commanders there.
If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used prod
uctively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is
not really used in its current form.
If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Beh
alf Of Glenn Hancock
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re:
How can we get a vital Commander forum?
So I'm a bit confused:
1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevel
sonline.com/phpBB/ that seems dedicated to commande
rs but no one seems to use it. I posted something t
here before finding this email list that to this day
still has not been responded to. Why?
2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.c
om and plan to leave it up as long as you guys want to
use it but I guess the question is, why does no
one use the other one? Is this one going to get
ignored as badly as it and why don't we all just
move over there and stop using this email list?
The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are
made and it keeps all of the posts organized so
people can go back and search old topics.
Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum
or is everyone stuck on the email list?
Thanks,
Glenn
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams wrote:
--> Commander-List message posted by: Eric Williams
Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com so
und good to me.
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee wrote:
>
"stratobee"
>
> Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com
is available, but it kind of suggest turbines are not
welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com is ava
ilable, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not su
re that was the correct manufacturing name for the model
s made under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want
to make anyone feel excluded.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#
447422
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