Commander-Archive.digest.vol-fm
October 02, 2015 - July 27, 2017
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| From: | William Boelte <n55bz(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
I am in agreement with Keith and Glen.
Kindest regards,
Bill
On Oct 2, 2015, at 13:12, "Keith S. Gordon" wrote:
>
> I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching videos i
sn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in personally.
>
> This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of conversation
s. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person instead of the group a
nd the entire conversation goes offline for a bit then pops back in later wi
th half the conversation missing.
>
> so there we are: :-)
> And that's where I am, too.
>
> Keith S Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> KHND RNAV Lead
> FAASTeam, Las Vegas
> NBAA Access Committee, Past Chairman
> Las Vegas Metroplex Co-Lead, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)gmail.com>
> To: commander-list
> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:38 am
> Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
> So my 2 cents:
>
> First off I'm not that concerned with why people use Facebook nor do I wan
t to argue its merits. I'm only concerned with being able to get in touch w
ith like minded people about my Twin Commander. So to me, the question come
s down to whether we want to post things to a blog of sorts or a forum. To u
nderstand the difference you'd only have to go to facebook and try to find a
conversation that got started 2 months ago that you were participating in o
r going to a forum and doing the same.
>
> The forums are threaded for a reason and they keep track of an entire conv
ersation in one easy to follow link. A blog is nothing more than a bunch of
people posting comments about this that or the other and there is no easy w
ay to search through history or to find a specific topic you might be intere
sted in, and post a comment.
>
> I'm also not interested in how many followers anyone has on Facebook as th
ose people don't fly and probably never have flown a Twin Commander. I'm on
ly interested in the couple hundred people that are flying the planes today t
hat can help me and that I might be able to help.
>
> I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching videos i
sn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in personally.
>
> This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of conversation
s. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person instead of the group a
nd the entire conversation goes offline for a bit then pops back in later wi
th half the conversation missing.
>
> so there we are: :-)
>
> Glenn
>
> On 9/27/15 9:30 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
> I don't disagree with you, guys.
>
> I use Facebook for several reasons, such as personal, business, political,
religious and aviation.
>
> Personal: I have hooked up with family and friends whom I have had no poss
ible chance of ever meeting again. Only that is cause for me to keep Faceboo
k alive.
>
> Business: I spent a sizable amount of sweat and tears trying to keep my cu
stomer service with my customers on an almost-instant-response basis. We are
looking at testing a "secret" site on Facebook, which is what I think we ma
y consider for an Aero Commander forum, which is limited to subscribers only
.
>
> Political: I believe that the world's liberty-loving people are under assa
ult and I am doing my best to educate people to stand with me against the co
ming overthrow of democratic institutions and return the Occident to totalit
arianism.
>
> Religious: besides the fact that I am a practicing Christian (a faulty one
to boot) I have been teaching the Christian doctrine for a generation or so
and Facebook turned out to be reaching more truth-seekers than with any oth
er forum that I have ever used. Education in good moral values which sustain
liberty, peace and prosperity only counts in quality if quantity gets to se
e it.
>
> I mention aviation last, because that is what this email is about. I canno
t agree more with the Aero Commander sympathies expressed here. I owned a st
raight-500 and will always cherish the about 1,000 hours I put on her. Howev
er, aviation and nature in general is a fascinating matter to me, which is w
hy I broadened the scope of my Facebook page on Aero Commanders. The helicop
ter flop and breakup into the ocean after an aerobatic maneuver gone bad, fo
r example, reached almost 90,000 people!
>
> For an exchange of ideas, parts, and other AC concerns, I would agree that
a generalized forum might be counterproductive, since the majority of the p
eople visiting the facebook.com/commanderflight pages, might not be able to m
ake a productive contribution anyway. We would want to see Morris, the Metzg
ers, Andy Downs, and Keith Gordon and many others become members of such a p
ortal.
>
> That is why I want to suggest, before we spend money on servers, bandwidth
and developing sites, let's see if a secret facebook site might serve our p
urpose, which takes care of the domain ownership, DNS records and costs of o
wnership. I belong to a secret page on some other forum and only invited mem
bers can participate, see the postings, and can be expelled for misbehavior a
nd other counterproductive issues. It just prevents having another userid an
d password floating around for most folks.
>
> If TCFG would concur, I'll donate the www.aerocommander.com domain to whom
ever whishes to pursue the goal of a portal in which such a forum would be e
stablished.
>
> Just my take on things.
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> Nico
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:58 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
> Nico,
>
> I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The problem is
that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and post pictures a
nd videos. It's not subject specific and trying to follow conversations or s
earch for specific information is impossible. I would like to see a forum t
hat is specific to our common interests and that we can control better.
>
> As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com and
created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we all ne
ed to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one person be invo
lved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on, the others can pic
kup the forum. One possible solution is that one of you has registered twin
commanders.com. That could be pointed at my server and both domains would r
esolve to the same place for now but could be different later.
>
> 2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that if so
mething were to happen to the person owning the server, that others can have
it transferred to another server.
>
> 3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me placing t
he forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one of the popular
sites and we could place it there. You will get into disk size limits and o
ther possible problems in that situation as well as costs involved that I'm m
ore than happy to foot at the moment. I'm not rich but I do have the money t
o cover the server and operational costs. I just want somewhere that we can
all gather and discuss what interests us about the Commanders family and no
t have to join an email list that I have a hard time keeping track of conver
sations or Facebook where I have to filter through everything.
>
> I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem to be
some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so far. I c
an't believe an engine failure would cause something like that unless power w
as added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that I haven't begun to
fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope he recovers and gets ba
ck to flying soon.
>
> Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
>
> Glenn
> On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS crashed o
n landing at Boise ID airport.
>
> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no pers
on by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>
> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very concern
ed and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your prayers.
>
> Read all about it with pictures and video: https://www.facebook.com/COMMA
NDERFLIGHT
>
> Nico
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico hMail
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vita
l Commander forum?
>
> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>
> Adam,
>
> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forwarded to www.
twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I put "own" in quotes be
cause it really is the property of TCFG, which I just put on my ICANN regist
er to manage the domain's DNS entries.
>
> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook page. It is r
easonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all over t
he globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash after an a
erobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the thousands ever
y day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The facebook page accommoda
tes posts from aviation in general but Aero Commanders in particular. Many o
f the articles, brochures, and other technical data were uploaded from the o
riginal CD's sent to me years ago by (I cannot recall) and are visible on th
e facebook page. There are tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be a
ble to explain more about these resources as they have been intimately invol
ved in shaping what these sites have become, not discounting others' contrib
utions over the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and p
iston Commanders there.
>
> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used productively. T
he burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to follow the domain, too.
I kept it up for a generation and it is not really used in its current form
.
>
> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>
> Thanks
>
> Nico
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital Co
mmander forum?
>
> So I'm a bit confused:
> 1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ th
at seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted somet
hing there before finding this email list that to this day still has not bee
n responded to. Why?
> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to leave
it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why d
oes no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly as i
t and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this email list?
> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps a
ll of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone stu
ck on the email list?
> Thanks,
> Glenn
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams <williams.ericlofton@gmail.
com> wrote:
mail.com>
>
> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
>
> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee wrote:
> >
> >
> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available, but i
t kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com is availa
ble, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that was the correct
manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again
, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > --------
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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| From: | "Nico hMail" <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
So am I.
I just capitulated to some verbal diarrhea about Facebook, not
necessarily singing its praises.
The email list was working when it was the only practical medium.
There are so many more practical solutions out there today, it seems
wise to use them. The domain aerocommander.com is available if it is
needed. I am willing to promote such a closed group on my facebook page,
which has hundreds of Commander pilots from all over the world who would
certainly consider joining.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Boelte
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
I am in agreement with Keith and Glen.
Kindest regards,
Bill
On Oct 2, 2015, at 13:12, "Keith S. Gordon" wrote:
I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching
videos isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in
personally.
This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of
conversations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person
instead of the group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit
then pops back in later with half the conversation missing.
so there we are: :-)
And that's where I am, too.
Keith S Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee, Past Chairman
Las Vegas Metroplex Co-Lead, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
So my 2 cents:
First off I'm not that concerned with why people use Facebook nor do I
want to argue its merits. I'm only concerned with being able to get in
touch with like minded people about my Twin Commander. So to me, the
question comes down to whether we want to post things to a blog of sorts
or a forum. To understand the difference you'd only have to go to
facebook and try to find a conversation that got started 2 months ago
that you were participating in or going to a forum and doing the same.
The forums are threaded for a reason and they keep track of an entire
conversation in one easy to follow link. A blog is nothing more than a
bunch of people posting comments about this that or the other and there
is no easy way to search through history or to find a specific topic you
might be interested in, and post a comment.
I'm also not interested in how many followers anyone has on Facebook as
those people don't fly and probably never have flown a Twin Commander.
I'm only interested in the couple hundred people that are flying the
planes today that can help me and that I might be able to help.
I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching
videos isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in
personally.
This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of
conversations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person
instead of the group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit
then pops back in later with half the conversation missing.
so there we are: :-)
Glenn
On 9/27/15 9:30 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
I don't disagree with you, guys.
I use Facebook for several reasons, such as personal, business,
political, religious and aviation.
Personal: I have hooked up with family and friends whom I have had no
possible chance of ever meeting again. Only that is cause for me to keep
Facebook alive.
Business: I spent a sizable amount of sweat and tears trying to keep my
customer service with my customers on an almost-instant-response basis.
We are looking at testing a "secret" site on Facebook, which is what I
think we may consider for an Aero Commander forum, which is limited to
subscribers only.
Political: I believe that the world's liberty-loving people are under
assault and I am doing my best to educate people to stand with me
against the coming overthrow of democratic institutions and return the
Occident to totalitarianism.
Religious: besides the fact that I am a practicing Christian (a faulty
one to boot) I have been teaching the Christian doctrine for a
generation or so and Facebook turned out to be reaching more
truth-seekers than with any other forum that I have ever used. Education
in good moral values which sustain liberty, peace and prosperity only
counts in quality if quantity gets to see it.
I mention aviation last, because that is what this email is about. I
cannot agree more with the Aero Commander sympathies expressed here. I
owned a straight-500 and will always cherish the about 1,000 hours I put
on her. However, aviation and nature in general is a fascinating matter
to me, which is why I broadened the scope of my Facebook page on Aero
Commanders. The helicopter flop and breakup into the ocean after an
aerobatic maneuver gone bad, for example, reached almost 90,000 people!
For an exchange of ideas, parts, and other AC concerns, I would agree
that a generalized forum might be counterproductive, since the majority
of the people visiting the facebook.com/commanderflight pages, might not
be able to make a productive contribution anyway. We would want to see
Morris, the Metzgers, Andy Downs, and Keith Gordon and many others
become members of such a portal.
That is why I want to suggest, before we spend money on servers,
bandwidth and developing sites, let's see if a secret facebook site
might serve our purpose, which takes care of the domain ownership, DNS
records and costs of ownership. I belong to a secret page on some other
forum and only invited members can participate, see the postings, and
can be expelled for misbehavior and other counterproductive issues. It
just prevents having another userid and password floating around for
most folks.
If TCFG would concur, I'll donate the www.aerocommander.com domain to
whomever whishes to pursue the goal of a portal in which such a forum
would be established.
Just my take on things.
Thanks for the feedback.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:58 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
Nico,
I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The problem
is that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and post
pictures and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to follow
conversations or search for specific information is impossible. I would
like to see a forum that is specific to our common interests and that we
can control better.
As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com
and created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we
all need to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one
person be involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on,
the others can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of
you has registered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed at my
server and both domains would resolve to the same place for now but
could be different later.
2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that if
something were to happen to the person owning the server, that others
can have it transferred to another server.
3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me placing
the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one of the
popular sites and we could place it there. You will get into disk size
limits and other possible problems in that situation as well as costs
involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm not rich
but I do have the money to cover the server and operational costs. I
just want somewhere that we can all gather and discuss what interests us
about the Commanders family and not have to join an email list that I
have a hard time keeping track of conversations or Facebook where I have
to filter through everything.
I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem to
be some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so
far. I can't believe an engine failure would cause something like that
unless power was added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that
I haven't begun to fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope
he recovers and gets back to flying soon.
Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
Glenn
On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS crashed
on landing at Boise ID airport.
The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no
person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your
prayers.
Read all about it with pictures and video:
https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nico
hMail
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
vital Commander forum?
The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
Adam,
I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forwarded to
www.twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I put "own" in
quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, which I just put on my
ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS entries.
I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook page. It is
reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all
over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash
after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the
thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The
facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero
Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other
technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years ago
by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There are
tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain more
about these resources as they have been intimately involved in shaping
what these sites have become, not discounting others' contributions over
the years. You will notice a distinct presence of turbines and piston
Commanders there.
If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not
really used in its current form.
If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
Thanks
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital
Commander forum?
So I'm a bit confused:
1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/
that seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted
something there before finding this email list that to this day still
has not been responded to. Why?
2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to
leave it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question
is, why does no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored
as badly as it and why don't we all just move over there and stop using
this email list?
The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps
all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone
stuck on the email list?
Thanks,
Glenn
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
wrote:
Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee wrote:
>
>
> Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available,
but it kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
is available, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that
was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell
and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Nico,
why don't you just point it at my server at twincommandergroup.com and
we'll just get the forum setup to be exactly what we want. I've already
started laying out groups for posts and if you guys can tell me what else
you'd like to see or different groupings and we'll just tweak it until its
perfect.
Just a thought,
Glenn
On Saturday, October 3, 2015, Nico hMail wrote:
> So am I.
>
>
> I just capitulated to some verbal diarrhea about Facebook, not necessaril
y
> singing its praises.
>
>
> The email list was working when it was the only practical medium. There
> are so many more practical solutions out there today, it seems wise to us
e
> them. The domain aerocommander.com is available if it is needed. I am
> willing to promote such a closed group on my facebook page, which has
> hundreds of Commander pilots from all over the world who would certainly
> consider joining.
>
>
> Nico
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ]
> *On Behalf Of *William Boelte
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 11:27 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
>
> I am in agreement with Keith and Glen.
>
> Kindest regards,
>
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 13:12, "Keith S. Gordon" > wrote:
>
>
> I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching videos
> isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in personally.
>
> This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of
> conversations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person instead
> of the group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit then pops
> back in later with half the conversation missing.
>
> so there we are: :-)
>
>
> *And that's where I am, too.Keith S Gordon*
>
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> KHND RNAV Lead
> FAASTeam, Las Vegas
> NBAA Access Committee, Past Chairman
> Las Vegas Metroplex Co-Lead, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)gmail.com
> >
> To: commander-list >
> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:38 am
> Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
> So my 2 cents:
>
> First off I'm not that concerned with why people use Facebook nor do I
> want to argue its merits. I'm only concerned with being able to get in
> touch with like minded people about my Twin Commander. So to me, the
> question comes down to whether we want to post things to a blog of sorts
or
> a forum. To understand the difference you'd only have to go to facebook
> and try to find a conversation that got started 2 months ago that you wer
e
> participating in or going to a forum and doing the same.
>
> The forums are threaded for a reason and they keep track of an entire
> conversation in one easy to follow link. A blog is nothing more than a
> bunch of people posting comments about this that or the other and there i
s
> no easy way to search through history or to find a specific topic you mig
ht
> be interested in, and post a comment.
>
> I'm also not interested in how many followers anyone has on Facebook as
> those people don't fly and probably never have flown a Twin Commander. I
'm
> only interested in the couple hundred people that are flying the planes
> today that can help me and that I might be able to help.
>
> I'm not saying having a Facebook page with lots of people watching videos
> isn't a good thing, it's just not what I'm interested in personally.
>
> This email list doesn't work and is too hard to keep track of
> conversations. It's also possible someone hits reply to a person instead
> of the group and the entire conversation goes offline for a bit then pops
> back in later with half the conversation missing.
>
> so there we are: :-)
>
> Glenn
>
> On 9/27/15 9:30 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>
> I don't disagree with you, guys.
>
>
> I use Facebook for several reasons, such as personal, business, political
,
> religious and aviation.
>
>
> Personal: I have hooked up with family and friends whom I have had no
> possible chance of ever meeting again. Only that is cause for me to keep
> Facebook alive.
>
>
> Business: I spent a sizable amount of sweat and tears trying to keep my
> customer service with my customers on an almost-instant-response basis. W
e
> are looking at testing a "secret" site on Facebook, which is what I think
> we may consider for an Aero Commander forum, which is limited to
> subscribers only.
>
>
> Political: I believe that the world's liberty-loving people are under
> assault and I am doing my best to educate people to stand with me against
> the coming overthrow of democratic institutions and return the Occident t
o
> totalitarianism.
>
>
> Religious: besides the fact that I am a practicing Christian (a faulty on
e
> to boot) I have been teaching the Christian doctrine for a generation or
so
> and Facebook turned out to be reaching more truth-seekers than with any
> other forum that I have ever used. Education in good moral values which
> sustain liberty, peace and prosperity only counts in quality if quantity
> gets to see it.
>
>
> I mention aviation last, because that is what this email is about. I
> cannot agree more with the Aero Commander sympathies expressed here. I
> owned a straight-500 and will always cherish the about 1,000 hours I put
on
> her. However, aviation and nature in general is a fascinating matter to m
e,
> which is why I broadened the scope of my Facebook page on Aero Commanders
.
> The helicopter flop and breakup into the ocean after an aerobatic maneuve
r
> gone bad, for example, reached almost 90,000 people!
>
>
> For an exchange of ideas, parts, and other AC concerns, I would agree tha
t
> a generalized forum might be counterproductive, since the majority of the
> people visiting the facebook.com/commanderflight pages, might not be able
> to make a productive contribution anyway. We would want to see Morris, th
e
> Metzgers, Andy Downs, and Keith Gordon and many others become members of
> such a portal.
>
>
> That is why I want to suggest, before we spend money on servers, bandwidt
h
> and developing sites, let's see if a secret facebook site might serve our
> purpose, which takes care of the domain ownership, DNS records and costs
of
> ownership. I belong to a secret page on some other forum and only invited
> members can participate, see the postings, and can be expelled for
> misbehavior and other counterproductive issues. It just prevents having
> another userid and password floating around for most folks.
>
>
> If TCFG would concur, I'll donate the www.aerocommander.com domain to
> whomever whishes to pursue the goal of a portal in which such a forum wou
ld
> be established.
>
>
> Just my take on things.
>
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
>
> Nico
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ]
> *On Behalf Of *Glenn Hancock
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:58 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
>
> Nico,
>
> I also agree with Adam in that I absolutely hate Facebook. The problem i
s
> that it's simply a gossip center where people go to talk and post picture
s
> and videos. It's not subject specific and trying to follow conversations
> or search for specific information is impossible. I would like to see a
> forum that is specific to our common interests and that we can control
> better.
>
> As I mentioned, I've already created a forum at twincommandergroup.com
> and created a few sections for conversations. There are a few things we
> all need to consider with a forum like this. 1) That more than one perso
n
> be involved in the domain name so that when one of us passes on, the othe
rs
> can pickup the forum. One possible solution is that one of you has
> registered twincommanders.com. That could be pointed at my server and
> both domains would resolve to the same place for now but could be differe
nt
> later.
>
> 2) That the people involved have some sort of written agreement that if
> something were to happen to the person owning the server, that others can
> have it transferred to another server.
>
> 3) There are a couple options on the latter point, instead of me placing
> the forum on my own server I could just rent a server from one of the
> popular sites and we could place it there. You will get into disk size
> limits and other possible problems in that situation as well as costs
> involved that I'm more than happy to foot at the moment. I'm not rich bu
t
> I do have the money to cover the server and operational costs. I just wa
nt
> somewhere that we can all gather and discuss what interests us about the
> Commanders family and not have to join an email list that I have a hard
> time keeping track of conversations or Facebook where I have to filter
> through everything.
>
> I'm also very very sorry to hear about Jim. The accident would seem to b
e
> some sort of catastrophic failure based on the accident report so far. I
> can't believe an engine failure would cause something like that unless
> power was added after the failure. I just purchased a 680F that I haven'
t
> begun to fly so am very interested in what happened. I hope he recovers
> and gets back to flying soon.
>
> Feel free to contact me at 770 490 7899 any time.
>
> Glenn
>
> On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>
> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS crashed
> on landing at Boise ID airport.
>
>
> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no
> person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>
>
> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
> concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your prayers.
>
>
> Read all about it with pictures and video:
> https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
>
>
> Nico
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ]
> *On Behalf Of *Nico hMail
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
> vital Commander forum?
>
>
> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>
>
> Adam,
>
>
> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com domain, which is forwarded to
> www.twincommander.org where TCFG's web page is located. I put "own" in
> quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, which I just put on my
> ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS entries.
>
>
> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight facebook page. It is
> reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all ov
er
> the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter crash after
> an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing by the thousan
ds
> every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting. The facebook page
> accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero Commanders in
> particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other technical data wer
e
> uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years ago by (I cannot recall)
> and are visible on the facebook page. There are tons of stuff there. The
> Metzger friends will be able to explain more about these resources as the
y
> have been intimately involved in shaping what these sites have become, no
t
> discounting others' contributions over the years. You will notice a
> distinct presence of turbines and piston Commanders there.
>
>
> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used productively.
> The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to follow the domain,
> too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not really used in its curre
nt
> form.
>
>
> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Nico
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ]
> *On Behalf Of *Glenn Hancock
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a vital
> Commander forum?
>
>
> So I'm a bit confused:
>
> 1) There is already a site at http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/
> that seems dedicated to commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted
> something there before finding this email list that to this day still has
> not been responded to. Why?
>
> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com and plan to
> leave it up as long as you guys want to use it but I guess the question i
s,
> why does no one use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as
> badly as it and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this
> email list?
>
> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it keeps
> all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old topics.
>
> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone
> stuck on the email list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenn
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams <
> williams.ericlofton(at)gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> williams.ericlofton(at)gmail.com
> >
>
> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com sound good to me.
>
>
> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com is available, but
> it kind of suggest turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com is
> available, and so is aerocommanderforum.com, but I'm not sure that was
> the correct manufacturing name for the models made under Rockwell and
> Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > --------
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? I can do it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who already owns the best suitable domain name? I did register www.twincommanders.com the other day.
Best,
A.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Let's point all our domains to my server and will get forum finished up
tonight. Everyone can just go to www.twincommander.com and setup a login.
Let me know if you have any issues
Glenn
On Saturday, October 3, 2015, stratobee wrote:
> >
>
> So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? I can
> do it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who already owns
> the best suitable domain name? I did register www.twincommanders.com the
> other day.
>
> Best,
> A.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447615#447615
>
>
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
down to their level and beat you with experience.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Sorry. For now go to www.twincommandergroup.com
On Saturday, October 3, 2015, Glenn Hancock wrote:
> Let's point all our domains to my server and will get forum finished up
> tonight. Everyone can just go to www.twincommander.com and setup a
> login. Let me know if you have any issues
>
>
> Glenn
>
> On Saturday, October 3, 2015, stratobee > wrote:
>
>>
>> So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? I can
>> do it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who already owns
>> the best suitable domain name? I did register www.twincommanders.com the
>> other day.
>>
>> Best,
>> A.
>>
>> --------
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447615#447615
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
> down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
down to their level and beat you with experience.
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
Has anyone got information on how Jim Metzger is doing..?? From the
photos, it looks like the plane is a total loss.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F/N6253X
logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS
Sorry. For now go to www.twincommandergroup.com
On Saturday, October 3, 2015, Glenn Hancock wrote:
Let's point all our domains to my server and will get forum finished up
tonight. Everyone can just go to www.twincommander.com and setup a
login. Let me know if you have any issues
Glenn
On Saturday, October 3, 2015, stratobee > wrote:
So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? I can
do it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who already owns
the best suitable domain name? I did register www.twincommanders.com the
other day.
Best,
A.
--------
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you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
Randy could you send the photo's of Jim's plane to me . I missed them if the
y were posted here . Also I would like to know how Jim is doing . Thanks Gil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 3, 2015, at 1:19 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA" w
rote:
>
> Has anyone got information on how Jim Metzger is doing..?? =46rom the pho
tos, it looks like the plane is a total loss.
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:57 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
> Sorry. For now go to www.twincommandergroup.com
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 3, 2015, Glenn Hancock wrote:
> Let's point all our domains to my server and will get forum finished up to
night. Everyone can just go to www.twincommander.com and setup a login. Let
me know if you have any issues
>
>
> Glenn
>
> On Saturday, October 3, 2015, stratobee wrote:
>
> So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? I can d
o it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who already owns the b
est suitable domain name? I did register www.twincommanders.com the other da
y.
>
> Best,
> A.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Randy,
Jim suffered critical injuries and yes, the airframe was totalled -the good
news is that he will (after two weeks), be discharged from the ICU today.
>From another forum:
Day 9 of JimBob's Road to Recovery...........busy day today with a steady
parade of doctors and therapists. He's done well without the ventilator and
has been able to hold down all the water he is drinking plus a small bowl
of hello. Based on his progress he will be moved out of ICU this evening.
Will be nice to be away from all of the alarms and activity, but a little
scary to go to a reduced nurse:patient ratio. Started physical therapy and
had him sitting (with lots of help) for 10 minutes. Took a lot out of him,
but he is a trooper. Now we wait for the next surgeries. If I don't post
every day from here on out its because nothing has changed. Prayers still
needed for pain management, physical therapy and the next surgeries.
Cheers
Russell
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Randy Dettmer, AIA
wrote:
> Has anyone got information on how Jim Metzger is doing..?? From the
> photos, it looks like the plane is a total loss.
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
>
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
> [image: logoRED-126x38@72dpi]
>
>
> *Dettmer Architecture*
>
> *663 Hill Street*
>
> *San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>
> *805 541 4864 <805%20541%204864> / fax 805 541 4865 <805%20541%204865>*
>
> *www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com>*
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Glenn Hancock
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:57 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
>
> Sorry. For now go to www.twincommandergroup.com
>
>
> On Saturday, October 3, 2015, Glenn Hancock wrote:
>
> Let's point all our domains to my server and will get forum finished up
> tonight. Everyone can just go to www.twincommander.com and setup a
> login. Let me know if you have any issues
>
>
> Glenn
>
> On Saturday, October 3, 2015, stratobee wrote:
>
>
> So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? I can
> do it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who already owns
> the best suitable domain name? I did register www.twincommanders.com the
> other day.
>
> Best,
> A.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447615#447615
>
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>
> --
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>
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
> down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
> down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List *
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com *
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
G'day Adam,
My apologies for not having made contact earlier.
The Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG) website at www.twincommander.org was
developed by Barry Colman (Aero Commander historian) and myself (with help
from Gabe Fernandez) to provide a definitive and detailed knowledge base
for current owners, prospective owners and otherwise interested persons.
The website was 'gifted' to James (Jimbob) and Sue Metzger to maintain on
behalf of the TCFG at the 2011 Flyin at Carson City. The website URL
www.twincommander.org is owned by Jim & Sue, and passwords to 'Member's
Only section were issued to financial members of the Group.
At the time it was considered that 'financial membership' of the Group be a
reasonable incentive to facilitate access to the significant repository of
resources and technical information which had been gathered (at some
financial costs).
Over the years since, the website has been 'tweaked' by Sue, but in recent
times this has not been possible.
There is considerable scope to further develop some areas of the website.
The email forum associated with the TCFG (Twin Commander Flight Group) was
established back in 2001 and over the years provided an exceptional forum
for technical discussions on a wide range of AD/SBs and hosted detailed
discussions on most piston Models. The TCFG website provided an immediate
link to this forum.
It is fair to say that the email medium has waned in its effectiveness over
the past five years, and there is definitely 'connection' issues with
several TCFG members and the *Matronics* mainframe. Some members have been
unable to 'broadcast' to the forum, with these problems continuing despite
some intervention by *Matronics.*
It is fair to say that in the past, discussions focussed on turbine Models
have been limited, probably mainly due to the TCFG not having had many
turbine owner members.
The TCAC (Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation) sponsored a rejuvenated
forum for turbine owners (several years ago) and certainly hosted early
turbine Model discussions - I am unsure of its current status.
Some years ago, Nicu developed the Aero Commander Facebook forum and much
of the 'social' discussion within the TCFG has subsequently (and popularly)
migrated to this forum.
The past two weeks have been tumultuous for JImbob and Sue, but while at
the hospital Sue & I found time to discuss a 'new' email forum possibility
and we would be very supportive of any new initiative that yourself or
yourself and Glen were able to produce on behalf of the Group.
We would simply ask that you find a way to link the website (
www.twincommander.org) with the new email forum to facilitate optimum
future connectivity.
Cheers
Russell
Russell Legg
VH-CAU
Model 560E s/n 726
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 1:17 AM, stratobee wrote:
>
> So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? I can
> do it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who already owns
> the best suitable domain name? I did register www.twincommanders.com the
> other day.
>
> Best,
> A.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447615#447615
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Stunning photos of 680V in flight. |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
This, I think is former N11HM, now in Russian RA registration. In any case, on
Igor's website there are some fantastic photos taken of it flying a display and
also in formation with a Cessna Mustang. What a beauty!
http://igor113.livejournal.com/445871.html
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447627#447627
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Stunning photos of 680V in flight. |
Hi Chris,
Did you note the Aztec in the group photo?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 10/4/2015 1:27:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
adam(at)adamfrisch.com writes:
http://igor113.livejournal.com/445871.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Russell,
It would be nice if the current Forum link on twincommander.org pointed
to twincommandergroup.com to allow people quick access to the forum no
matter which site we enter from. I've added a link to the top of the
forum to get back to twincommander.org and listed it as the parent
site. We can tweak this anyway you guys want as my end goal is to give
us a more organized way to communicate. I would like to maintain
control over the site at least in the beginning since I do this for a
living and can get things done a lot faster than most. After its up and
running I'm perfectly fine with transferring ownership to someone else
or giving access to others that want it.
I am also taking your updates and posting them onto the forum. If that
is not ok, let me know and I'll remove them. I have had a few people
call me for updates because they didn't have time to go back through
emails trying to figure out what was going on. So figured it would be
the best way to deal with it.
In the goal of getting the forum going I'm also posting a few others
posts over there and giving them credit for them.
Thanks,
Glenn
On 10/3/15 11:13 PM, Russell Legg wrote:
> G'day Adam,
>
> My apologies for not having made contact earlier.
>
> The Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG) website at
> www.twincommander.org <http://www.twincommander.org> was developed by
> Barry Colman (Aero Commander historian) and myself (with help from
> Gabe Fernandez) to provide a definitive and detailed knowledge base
> for current owners, prospective owners and otherwise interested persons.
> The website was 'gifted' to James (Jimbob) and Sue Metzger to maintain
> on behalf of the TCFG at the 2011 Flyin at Carson City. The website
> URL www.twincommander.org <http://www.twincommander.org> is owned by
> Jim & Sue, and passwords to 'Member's Only section were issued to
> financial members of the Group.
> At the time it was considered that 'financial membership' of the Group
> be a reasonable incentive to facilitate access to the significant
> repository of resources and technical information which had been
> gathered (at some financial costs).
> Over the years since, the website has been 'tweaked' by Sue, but in
> recent times this has not been possible.
> There is considerable scope to further develop some areas of the website.
>
> The email forum associated with the TCFG (Twin Commander Flight Group)
> was established back in 2001 and over the years provided an
> exceptional forum for technical discussions on a wide range of AD/SBs
> and hosted detailed discussions on most piston Models. The TCFG
> website provided an immediate link to this forum.
>
> It is fair to say that the email medium has waned in its effectiveness
> over the past five years, and there is definitely 'connection' issues
> with several TCFG members and the /Matronics/ mainframe. Some members
> have been unable to 'broadcast' to the forum, with these problems
> continuing despite some intervention by /Matronics./
> It is fair to say that in the past, discussions focussed on turbine
> Models have been limited, probably mainly due to the TCFG not having
> had many turbine owner members.
>
> The TCAC (Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation) sponsored a rejuvenated
> forum for turbine owners (several years ago) and certainly hosted
> early turbine Model discussions - I am unsure of its current status.
>
> Some years ago, Nicu developed the Aero Commander Facebook forum and
> much of the 'social' discussion within the TCFG has subsequently (and
> popularly) migrated to this forum.
>
> The past two weeks have been tumultuous for JImbob and Sue, but while
> at the hospital Sue & I found time to discuss a 'new' email forum
> possibility and we would be very supportive of any new initiative that
> yourself or yourself and Glen were able to produce on behalf of the Group.
> We would simply ask that you find a way to link the website
> (www.twincommander.org <http://www.twincommander.org>) with the new
> email forum to facilitate optimum future connectivity.
>
> Cheers
>
> Russell
>
> Russell Legg
> VH-CAU
> Model 560E s/n 726
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 1:17 AM, stratobee > wrote:
>
> >
>
> So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead?
> I can do it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who
> already owns the best suitable domain name? I did register
> www.twincommanders.com <http://www.twincommanders.com> the other day.
>
> Best,
> A.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447615#447615
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Nico,
I also posted a link back to the facebook site from the forum. I'm
going to clean things up this week and make it look better, right now
just trying to get the important parts up.
Thanks,
Glenn
On 9/25/15 8:45 PM, Nico hMail wrote:
>
> Jim Metzger was critically injured earlier this week when N222JS
> crashed on landing at Boise ID airport.
>
>
>
> The Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise said there is no
> person by that name in the hospital. Weird.
>
>
>
> I am trying to get hold of Sue to give us an update as we are very
> concerned and shocked at this accident. Keep Jim and Sue in your prayers.
>
>
>
> Read all about it with pictures and video:
> https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Nico
> hMail
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 1:05 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get
> a vital Commander forum?
>
>
>
> The first time I posted this, it didn't get to the list
>
>
>
> Adam,
>
>
>
> I still "own" the www.aerocommander.com <http://www.aerocommander.com>
> domain, which is forwarded to www.twincommander.org
> <http://www.twincommander.org> where TCFG's web page is located. I put
> "own" in quotes because it really is the property of TCFG, which I
> just put on my ICANN register to manage the domain's DNS entries.
>
>
>
> I also run/own the www.facebook.com/commanderflight
> <http://www.facebook.com/commanderflight> facebook page. It is
> reasonably active, has more than 1,000 likes and the fans are from all
> over the globe. The best "reach" any posting had is the helicopter
> crash after an aerobatic maneuver, which stands at 89,000 and climbing
> by the thousands every day. The average is about 200-300 per posting.
> The facebook page accommodates posts from aviation in general but Aero
> Commanders in particular. Many of the articles, brochures, and other
> technical data were uploaded from the original CD's sent to me years
> ago by (I cannot recall) and are visible on the facebook page. There
> are tons of stuff there. The Metzger friends will be able to explain
> more about these resources as they have been intimately involved in
> shaping what these sites have become, not discounting others'
> contributions over the years. You will notice a distinct presence of
> turbines and piston Commanders there.
>
>
>
> If it can be used, I'll transfer it wherever it can be used
> productively. The burden of the annual cost of renewal will have to
> follow the domain, too. I kept it up for a generation and it is not
> really used in its current form.
>
>
>
> If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Glenn Hancock
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 7:08 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: Re: How can we get a
> vital Commander forum?
>
>
>
> So I'm a bit confused:
>
> 1) There is already a site at
> http://www.flightlevelsonline.com/phpBB/ that seems dedicated to
> commanders but no one seems to use it. I posted something there
> before finding this email list that to this day still has not been
> responded to. Why?
>
> 2) I have created a new forum at twincommandersgroup.com
> <http://twincommandersgroup.com> and plan to leave it up as long as
> you guys want to use it but I guess the question is, why does no one
> use the other one? Is this one going to get ignored as badly as it
> and why don't we all just move over there and stop using this email list?
>
> The forum can be set to send emails when new posts are made and it
> keeps all of the posts organized so people can go back and search old
> topics.
>
> Is anyone interested in using my forum, the other forum or is everyone
> stuck on the email list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eric Williams
> >
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> Aerocommanders.com and twincommanders.com <http://twincommanders.com>
> sound good to me.
>
>
> > On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:35, stratobee > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Was looking at domains for it. Www.twincommanders.com
> <http://Www.twincommanders.com> is available, but it kind of suggest
> turbines are not welcome. Www.aerocommanders.com
> <http://Www.aerocommanders.com> is available, and so is
> aerocommanderforum.com <http://aerocommanderforum.com>, but I'm not
> sure that was the correct manufacturing name for the models made under
> Rockwell and Gulfstream. Again, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > --------
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447422#447422
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
> you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
Hi Gil,
I do not have photos of Jim=99s plane. I only saw the images
included in the news article I found on the internet. Below is a
message from Morris Kernick regarding Jim=99s condition.
Randy
Randy: Last contact I had with them, Jim is improving. He is in
intensive care after one of may surgeries he will need. His son sent me
pictures, the airplane is destroyed, N numbers are still useable, the
tail separated just forward of the dorsal fin, one engine gear box, &
propeller broke off the engine, cockpit & fuselage is badly damaged to
behind the pilot seat area, both outboard wing sections are bent up
about 30 degrees. He is lucky to have survived. Morris
logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil
Walker
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS
Randy could you send the photo's of Jim's plane to me . I missed them if
they were posted here . Also I would like to know how Jim is doing .
Thanks Gil
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2015, at 1:19 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
wrote:
Has anyone got information on how Jim Metzger is doing..?? From the
photos, it looks like the plane is a total loss.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Hancock
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS
Sorry. For now go to www.twincommandergroup.com
On Saturday, October 3, 2015, Glenn Hancock wrote:
Let's point all our domains to my server and will get forum finished up
tonight. Everyone can just go to www.twincommander.com and setup a
login. Let me know if you have any issues
Glenn
On Saturday, October 3, 2015, stratobee > wrote:
So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? I can
do it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who already owns
the best suitable domain name? I did register www.twincommanders.com the
other day.
Best,
A.
--------
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You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Great Glenn!
Good initiative. And maybe even in the future we could get Twin Commander Inc to
point their more or less dead forum this way, too. That way, we're all in the
same place.
Going over to register now.
--------
Adam
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| Subject: | Re: Stunning photos of 680V in flight. |
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
Do you know what city the Commander is based ? Gil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 1:26 AM, "stratobee" wrote:
>
>
> This, I think is former N11HM, now in Russian RA registration. In any case, on
Igor's website there are some fantastic photos taken of it flying a display
and also in formation with a Cessna Mustang. What a beauty!
>
> http://igor113.livejournal.com/445871.html
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447627#447627
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport Courtesy
Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout and look
of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow, currently
at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue to send in listings
I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I will get right on
them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a small donation to help
with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the lunch counter is appreciated.
There are PayPal links on the app, and my mailing address is also listed
within the app. Glenn
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447654#447654
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
Thank you. , lucky Guy. ! Thanks for the up date on Jim . Gil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 9:43 AM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA" w
rote:
>
> Hi Gil,
> I do not have photos of Jim=99s plane. I only saw the images includ
ed in the news article I found on the internet. Below is a message from Mor
ris Kernick regarding Jim=99s condition.
>
> Randy
>
> Randy: Last contact I had with them, Jim is improving. He is in intensiv
e care after one of may surgeries he will need. His son sent me pictures, t
he airplane is destroyed, N numbers are still useable, the tail separated ju
st forward of the dorsal fin, one engine gear box, & propeller broke off the
engine, cockpit & fuselage is badly damaged to behind the pilot seat area, b
oth outboard wing sections are bent up about 30 degrees. He is lucky to hav
e survived. Morris
>
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil Walker
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 4:46 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
> Randy could you send the photo's of Jim's plane to me . I missed them if t
hey were posted here . Also I would like to know how Jim is doing . Thanks G
il
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 3, 2015, at 1:19 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA" w
rote:
>
> Has anyone got information on how Jim Metzger is doing..?? =46rom the pho
tos, it looks like the plane is a total loss.
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Hancock
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 9:57 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: [matronics.com] Re: Jim Metzger and N222JS
>
> Sorry. For now go to www.twincommandergroup.com
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 3, 2015, Glenn Hancock wrote:
> Let's point all our domains to my server and will get forum finished up to
night. Everyone can just go to www.twincommander.com and setup a login. Let
me know if you have any issues
>
>
> Glenn
>
> On Saturday, October 3, 2015, stratobee wrote:
>
> So let's do it. Set up a proper forum. Who wants to take the lead? I can d
o it, but perhaps it would be easier if it was the one who already owns the b
est suitable domain name? I did register www.twincommanders.com the other da
y.
>
> Best,
> A.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447615#447615
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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nder-List
> ==========
> FORUMS -
> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com
> ==========
> b Site -
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ==========
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you d
own to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you d
own to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | New Forum - tell everyone |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
So, Glenn Hancock has kindly now put the forum up at:
www.twincommandergroup.com
Please tell all your friends, Commander people etc to come on over there and register
so we can get a nice and vibrant forum going. Everyone's welcome. Please
link from the Facebook page Nico, and Russell from the the TCFG site, that would
be very useful.
I've asked Bruce Byerly at Eagle Creek to register so he can chime in from the
turbine side.
I will be adding lots of pictures and info soon there and winding down my use of
the mailing list. Hope to see you all there!
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447693#447693
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Forum - tell everyone |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
And if members could dig up type specific contributions and post them on the forum,
I think that would be great. So they don't get lost in time. I remember how
hard it was to find info on 520's, 685's, 680V's when I was looking.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447746#447746
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Jim Metzger and N222JS |
| From: | "Peter Bichier" <yvabe560(at)GMAIL.COM> |
I posted this yesterday by replying from my email (sometimes it works) it did not
this time.
I have also registered to the new site (WAY BETTER!) and easier to post fotos!
But I know it will take some time for some folks to transition so here is again
my post:
Gil and Randy,
Here is the preliminary NTSB report on Jim's accident. Keith and EVERYONE else,
what on earth could have happened? He was seen making a right downwind & base
for 28R (engines sounded normal) and then a "witness" (from NTSB) saw: "A witness
on the airport reported that they observed the airplane approaching the runway
about 75 feet above the ground. They saw the airplane descend to about 50
feet, then climb back up to about 75 feet when it suddenly made a hard right
turn and descended into the ground near the taxiway.
So apparently something made him climb at the last moment and then stalled (no
comment about engine noise), this is clearly not JimBob's style to say the least,
one of the most experienced Commander pilot I've flown in this country. Could
it be a stroke? collapsing and then pulling the yoke?
Morris, is there a way mechanically to block the elevator up if something breaks?
Right engine does not seem to have been turning (seen the pictures), but if
he lost the Right making a right turn could have affected his attitude, but again
this is an experienced AG pilot with 340HP to get out of that situation...
I'm totally confused and most likely the winner of next year's GOLDEN Pedal
Award won't even remember what happened...
We know Jim is a fighter and he seem to be on the long road to recovery, meanwhile
here are some links including at the end the LIVEATC.net recording of Jim
(only here the tower comm.) nothing abnormal beside ATC first not been able to
pick up 222JS transponder and then having difficulties hearing his altitude.
http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id 150923X41349&key=1
http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2015/09/aero-commander-680-e-n222js-accident.html
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=179770
http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=KBOI
Remember to search KBOI 09/21/2015 for 2200Z time slot and he shows up at 11:05
after the hour, at 16:25 he is "cleared to land" and at 18:23 "Tower, did you
see that airplane going down?
--------
560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447748#447748
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N202JH <n202jh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Commander 500S oil pressure |
Good Evening,
My boss has a Commander 500S.
Right engine runs perfect oil pressure in flight. It matches the left engine
within one PSI.
However, the right engine does something strange between cold and hot engine
core temperatures.
First start of the day, cold engine, you get an initial high oil pressure as
expected with cold oil. But it is very high, over 90 PSI. The left engine i
s only around high 80s.
Right engine oil press comes down as expected after the engine warms.
We take off and in cruise, both pressures are matched +/- 1 PSI.
After landing, the right engine oil pressure is very low, below bottom redli
ne.
If I were to do a feather check at this point, the prop recovery time is ver
y long confirming low oil pressure.
My mechanic replaced the ball and spring for the "oil pressure maintaining v
alve", if that term is correct, and honed out a fresh seat for the ball.
No change to the oil pressure behavior I listed above,
Any ideas?
Regards,
Derek Groves
Midas Air Corp
Groves Aviation Inc.
Dgroves484(at)gmail.com
(954) 240-1383
Derek Groves
Midas Air Corp
Groves Aviation Inc.
N202JH(at)gmail.com
(954) 240-1383
Sent from my iPad
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander 500S oil pressure |
| From: | William Boelte <n55bz(at)cox.net> |
I believe that there are springs with different rates available for the oil p
ressure regulator assembly. They are painted different colors- white, yellow
and green, if I remember correctly. Washers are placed into the oil pressur
e regulator on top of the spring to set the minimum oil pressure and the dif
ferent springs are used to set the max. The condition of the steel ball and t
he ball seat is critical- just a little surface rust on the ball or a minute
scratch on the seat can result in very low oil pressure.
When changing any components of the oil pressure regulator be careful to rem
ove all of the washers inside the spring housings before the initial start.
I did not do this on one occasion and after replacing the ball and refacing
the seat blew out the oil cooler about the time that the oil pressure needl
e reached the end of the scale. It was amazing how rapidly the oil pressure r
ose.
I believe that there are adjustable oil pressure regulators which do not use
washers to adjust the pressure.
Kindest regards,
Bill
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 7:36 PM, N202JH wrote:
>
> Good Evening,
>
>
> My boss has a Commander 500S.
>
> Right engine runs perfect oil pressure in flight. It matches the left engi
ne within one PSI.
>
> However, the right engine does something strange between cold and hot engi
ne core temperatures.
>
> First start of the day, cold engine, you get an initial high oil pressure a
s expected with cold oil. But it is very high, over 90 PSI. The left engine i
s only around high 80s.
>
> Right engine oil press comes down as expected after the engine warms.
>
> We take off and in cruise, both pressures are matched +/- 1 PSI.
>
> After landing, the right engine oil pressure is very low, below bottom red
line.
>
> If I were to do a feather check at this point, the prop recovery time is v
ery long confirming low oil pressure.
>
> My mechanic replaced the ball and spring for the "oil pressure maintaining
valve", if that term is correct, and honed out a fresh seat for the ball.
>
> No change to the oil pressure behavior I listed above,
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Regards,
>
> Derek Groves
> Midas Air Corp
> Groves Aviation Inc.
> Dgroves484(at)gmail.com
> (954) 240-1383
>
> Derek Groves
> Midas Air Corp
> Groves Aviation Inc.
> N202JH(at)gmail.com
> (954) 240-1383
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | N202JH <n202jh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 500S oil pressure |
Hi Bill nice to speak to you again,
The temps are close to even on both...the low pressure side may be a bit hig
her but I believe that is a result of the low oil pressure situation. Low o
il pressure can bring high temps too I believe.
In cruise, all temps and pressures match each other rather close.
Regards,
Derek Groves
Midas Air Corp
Groves Aviation Inc.
N202JH(at)gmail.com
(954) 240-1383
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:04 PM, BillLeff1 wrote:
>
> What is the oil temp when the pressure is low. How does it compare to the o
ther engine. Also, is the CHT high on that engine? Any metal in the screen o
r filter?
>
> Bill Leff
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> On Oct 14, 2015 8:36 PM, N202JH wrote:
> Good Evening,
>
>
> My boss has a Commander 500S.
>
> Right engine runs perfect oil pressure in flight. It matches the left engi
ne within one PSI.
>
> However, the right engine does something strange between cold and hot engi
ne core temperatures.
>
> First start of the day, cold engine, you get an initial high oil pressure a
s expected with cold oil. But it is very high, over 90 PSI. The left engine i
s only around high 80s.
>
> Right engine oil press comes down as expected after the engine warms.
>
> We take off and in cruise, both pressures are matched +/- 1 PSI.
>
> After landing, the right engine oil pressure is very low, below bottom red
line.
>
> If I were to do a feather check at this point, the prop recovery time is v
ery long confirming low oil pressure.
>
> My mechanic replaced the ball and spring for the "oil pressure maintaining
valve", if that term is correct, and honed out a fresh seat for the ball.
>
> No change to the oil pressure behavior I listed above,
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Regards,
>
> Derek Groves
> Midas Air Corp
> Groves Aviation Inc.
> Dgroves484(at)gmail.com
> (954) 240-1383
>
> Derek Groves
> Midas Air Corp
> Groves Aviation Inc.
> N202JH(at)gmail.com
> (954) 240-1383
>
> Derek Groves
> Midas Air Corp
> Groves Aviation Inc.
> N202JH(at)gmail.com
> (954) 240-1383
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
==========================
=========
==========================
=========
==========================
=========
==========================
=========
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander 500S oil pressure |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)gmail.com> |
Derek,
Everyone has begun to move off this last and over to Twin commander
group.com
Come join us over there and repost your question in the engines section.
Thanks
Glenn
On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, N202JH wrote:
> Good Evening,
>
>
> My boss has a Commander 500S.
>
> Right engine runs perfect oil pressure in flight. It matches the left
> engine within one PSI.
>
> However, the right engine does something strange between cold and hot
> engine core temperatures.
>
> First start of the day, cold engine, you get an initial high oil pressure
> as expected with cold oil. But it is very high, over 90 PSI. The left
> engine is only around high 80s.
>
> Right engine oil press comes down as expected after the engine warms.
>
> We take off and in cruise, both pressures are matched +/- 1 PSI.
>
> After landing, the right engine oil pressure is very low, below bottom
> redline.
>
> If I were to do a feather check at this point, the prop recovery time is
> very long confirming low oil pressure.
>
> My mechanic replaced the ball and spring for the "oil pressure maintaining
> valve", if that term is correct, and honed out a fresh seat for the ball.
>
> No change to the oil pressure behavior I listed above,
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Regards,
>
> Derek Groves
> Midas Air Corp
> Groves Aviation Inc.
> Dgroves484(at)gmail.com
>
> (954) 240-1383
>
> Derek Groves
> Midas Air Corp
> Groves Aviation Inc.
> N202JH(at)gmail.com
> (954) 240-1383
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
down to their level and beat you with experience.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander 500S oil pressure |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)gmail.com> |
This one has migrated...
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Glenn Hancock wrote:
> Derek,
>
> Everyone has begun to move off this last and over to Twin commander
> group.com
>
> Come join us over there and repost your question in the engines section.
>
> Thanks
>
> Glenn
>
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, N202JH wrote:
>
>> Good Evening,
>>
>>
>> My boss has a Commander 500S.
>>
>> Right engine runs perfect oil pressure in flight. It matches the left
>> engine within one PSI.
>>
>> However, the right engine does something strange between cold and hot
>> engine core temperatures.
>>
>> First start of the day, cold engine, you get an initial high oil pressure
>> as expected with cold oil. But it is very high, over 90 PSI. The left
>> engine is only around high 80s.
>>
>> Right engine oil press comes down as expected after the engine warms.
>>
>> We take off and in cruise, both pressures are matched +/- 1 PSI.
>>
>> After landing, the right engine oil pressure is very low, below bottom
>> redline.
>>
>> If I were to do a feather check at this point, the prop recovery time is
>> very long confirming low oil pressure.
>>
>> My mechanic replaced the ball and spring for the "oil pressure
>> maintaining valve", if that term is correct, and honed out a fresh seat for
>> the ball.
>>
>> No change to the oil pressure behavior I listed above,
>>
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Derek Groves
>> Midas Air Corp
>> Groves Aviation Inc.
>> Dgroves484(at)gmail.com
>> (954) 240-1383
>>
>> Derek Groves
>> Midas Air Corp
>> Groves Aviation Inc.
>> N202JH(at)gmail.com
>> (954) 240-1383
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> *
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
> down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 500S oil pressure |
Hay guys, the link to Group.com <http://group.com/> goes to publishing
company for bible learning. Interesting, but nothing about Aero
Commanders.
Where is the new web page?
twincommander.org <http://twincommander.org/> is the old web site for
TCFG. No link there.
????
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
401 Monte Alto PL NE
Albuquerque, NM 87123
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
www.firstfueling.com
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Russell Legg wrote:
>
> This one has migrated...
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Glenn Hancock > wrote:
> Derek,
>
> Everyone has begun to move off this last and over to Twin commander
group.com <http://group.com/>
>
> Come join us over there and repost your question in the engines
section.
>
> Thanks
>
> Glenn
>
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, N202JH > wrote:
> Good Evening,
>
>
> My boss has a Commander 500S.
>
> Right engine runs perfect oil pressure in flight. It matches the left
engine within one PSI.
>
> However, the right engine does something strange between cold and hot
engine core temperatures.
>
> First start of the day, cold engine, you get an initial high oil
pressure as expected with cold oil. But it is very high, over 90 PSI.
The left engine is only around high 80s.
>
> Right engine oil press comes down as expected after the engine warms.
>
> We take off and in cruise, both pressures are matched +/- 1 PSI.
>
> After landing, the right engine oil pressure is very low, below bottom
redline.
>
> If I were to do a feather check at this point, the prop recovery time
is very long confirming low oil pressure.
>
> My mechanic replaced the ball and spring for the "oil pressure
maintaining valve", if that term is correct, and honed out a fresh seat
for the ball.
>
> No change to the oil pressure behavior I listed above,
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Regards,
>
> Derek Groves
> Midas Air Corp
> Groves Aviation Inc.
> Dgroves484(at)gmail.com <>
> (954) 240-1383
>
> Derek Groves
> Midas Air Corp
> Groves Aviation Inc.
> N202JH(at)gmail.com <>
> (954) 240-1383
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>
>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander 500S oil pressure |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Twin commander group.com
On Thursday, October 15, 2015, Tylor Hall wrote:
> Hay guys, the link to Group.com goes to publishing company for bible
> learning. Interesting, but nothing about Aero Commanders.
> Where is the new web page?
> twincommander.org is the old web site for TCFG. No link there.
> ????
>
> Tylor Hall
> tylorhall(at)mac.com
> First Fueling Systems, Inc.
> 401 Monte Alto PL NE
> Albuquerque, NM 87123
> 505-400-8373 Cell
> 505-247-3001
> www.firstfueling.com
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Russell Legg > wrote:
>
> This one has migrated...
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Glenn Hancock > wrote:
>
>> Derek,
>>
>> Everyone has begun to move off this last and over to Twin commander
>> group.com
>>
>> Come join us over there and repost your question in the engines section.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, N202JH > > wrote:
>>
>>> Good Evening,
>>>
>>>
>>> My boss has a Commander 500S.
>>>
>>> Right engine runs perfect oil pressure in flight. It matches the left
>>> engine within one PSI.
>>>
>>> However, the right engine does something strange between cold and hot
>>> engine core temperatures.
>>>
>>> First start of the day, cold engine, you get an initial high oil
>>> pressure as expected with cold oil. But it is very high, over 90 PSI. The
>>> left engine is only around high 80s.
>>>
>>> Right engine oil press comes down as expected after the engine warms.
>>>
>>> We take off and in cruise, both pressures are matched +/- 1 PSI.
>>>
>>> After landing, the right engine oil pressure is very low, below bottom
>>> redline.
>>>
>>> If I were to do a feather check at this point, the prop recovery time is
>>> very long confirming low oil pressure.
>>>
>>> My mechanic replaced the ball and spring for the "oil pressure
>>> maintaining valve", if that term is correct, and honed out a fresh seat for
>>> the ball.
>>>
>>> No change to the oil pressure behavior I listed above,
>>>
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Derek Groves
>>> Midas Air Corp
>>> Groves Aviation Inc.
>>> Dgroves484(at)gmail.com
>>> (954) 240-1383
>>>
>>> Derek Groves
>>> Midas Air Corp
>>> Groves Aviation Inc.
>>> N202JH(at)gmail.com
>>> (954) 240-1383
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> --glenn hancock
>>
>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
>> down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> *
>>
>>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List " class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> class="">http://forums.matronics.com
> class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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>
>
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
down to their level and beat you with experience.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 500S oil pressure |
twincommandergroup.com <http://twincommandergroup.com/>
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Glenn Hancock wrote:
>
> Twin commander group.com <http://group.com/>
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2015, Tylor Hall > wrote:
> Hay guys, the link to Group.com <http://group.com/> goes to
publishing company for bible learning. Interesting, but nothing about
Aero Commanders.
> Where is the new web page?
> twincommander.org <http://twincommander.org/> is the old web site for
TCFG. No link there.
> ????
>
> Tylor Hall
> tylorhall(at)mac.com
> First Fueling Systems, Inc.
> 401 Monte Alto PL NE
> Albuquerque, NM 87123
> 505-400-8373 Cell
> 505-247-3001
> www.firstfueling.com <http://www.firstfueling.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Russell Legg > wrote:
>>
>> This one has migrated...
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Glenn Hancock > wrote:
>> Derek,
>>
>> Everyone has begun to move off this last and over to Twin commander
group.com <http://group.com/>
>>
>> Come join us over there and repost your question in the engines
section.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, N202JH > wrote:
>> Good Evening,
>>
>>
>> My boss has a Commander 500S.
>>
>> Right engine runs perfect oil pressure in flight. It matches the left
engine within one PSI.
>>
>> However, the right engine does something strange between cold and hot
engine core temperatures.
>>
>> First start of the day, cold engine, you get an initial high oil
pressure as expected with cold oil. But it is very high, over 90 PSI.
The left engine is only around high 80s.
>>
>> Right engine oil press comes down as expected after the engine warms.
>>
>> We take off and in cruise, both pressures are matched +/- 1 PSI.
>>
>> After landing, the right engine oil pressure is very low, below
bottom redline.
>>
>> If I were to do a feather check at this point, the prop recovery time
is very long confirming low oil pressure.
>>
>> My mechanic replaced the ball and spring for the "oil pressure
maintaining valve", if that term is correct, and honed out a fresh seat
for the ball.
>>
>> No change to the oil pressure behavior I listed above,
>>
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Derek Groves
>> Midas Air Corp
>> Groves Aviation Inc.
>> Dgroves484(at)gmail.com <>
>> (954) 240-1383
>>
>> Derek Groves
>> Midas Air Corp
>> Groves Aviation Inc.
>> N202JH(at)gmail.com <>
>> (954) 240-1383
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --glenn hancock
>>
>> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
>> tp://forums.matronics.com <>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>"
class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
>> class="">http://forums.matronics.com
>> class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>>
>
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag
you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
>
>
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from
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| From: | "Nico hMail" <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (UDI) remembering |
the struggle
Remembering 11th November 1965 when Ian Smith declared unilateral
independence for Rhodesia and introduced the golden years in that country's
entire history. It had a budget surplus, economic growth surpassing almost
all the countries of the world, low unemployment still not seen in the
world, no racial segregation, a capitalist economy, and liberty for all.
The socialist West, communist East, and communist Africa -- all in cahoots
to not tolerate a smidgen of capitalism and liberty succeeding anywhere in
the world -- pounced on Smith, forcing Mugabe and a brutal communist regime
onto the people, knowing that thousands of Rhodesians would be slaughtered,
but that was a fair price to pay to prevent capitalism and liberty from
taking hold.
Rhodesia was pushed over the cliff of racism and totalitarian rule crashing
onto the rocks below with huge loss of life, liberty and property. It was
like anywhere else where communism engulfed people: the very people it
claims to rush to the rescue for, are the very people it kills first. It's
like the gay-marriage hoax, the global climate-change hoax, the GMO hoax,
and other hoaxes that have so successfully paved the way for communism.
The West's cuddly relationship with socialism's chickens are soaring home to
roost. Islam, the grand-daddy of all totalitarian regimes, is walking into
their homes, their parliaments and their churches against which they are
totally defenseless because Islam uses the exact same language-keys they
used to embrace socialism. To resist Islam requires a mind-shift of epic
proportions and an abandonment of all their idol-gods that they believed
were the source of their peace and righteousness against capitalism and
liberty.
How our cries of warning of the depravity of socialism, which fell on
defiant ears, now echo in horror in them when they see their daughters
consumed by legalized rape, torture and sex-slavery, their wives draped in
burkahs, beaten should they resist Shariah Law.
It would have been easy to yell at them "we told you so" if it were not so
brutally bloody and sad to people who grew up on the luring fruit of
socialism.
It would have been easy to refer them to the tragedy of Rhodesia and Ian
Smith in 1965 if it would serve any purpose. Communism, obeying its DNA,
will run its cause until it has had its fill on innocent blood, as it has
done over and over again in the previous century. Almost 100 years ago the
slaughter of innocents started for that century, just as it has today for
this century.
Will this also last 80 years costing more than 100 million innocent lives of
people who merely desired to be free and independent?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
| From: | Glenn Hancock <glennh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
If you are going to be sending these emails every 3 days please remove me
from the list
Thanks
Glenn
On Wednesday, November 11, 2015, Matt Dralle wrote:
> >
>
> Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free
> from advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wanting
> to tap into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted
> here, but have always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet
> these days, a user is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for
> crap that they don't want. Yahoo, Google and that ilk are not "free". The
> user must constantly endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into
> their face at an ever increasing rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at
> Matronics choose not to succumb to that.
>
> That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a
> lot of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, air
> conditioning, maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc. I choose to hold a
> PBS-like fund raiser each year during the month of November where I simply
> send out a short email every other day asking the members to make a small
> contribution to support the operation. That being said, that contribution
> is completely voluntary and non-compulsory. Many members choose not to
> contribute and that's fine.
>
> However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a
> contribution and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists
> running. And that's it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant
> way of maintaining the Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year,
> you don't see a single advertisement or request for support. That's
> refreshing and that is a List and Forum that I want to belong to. I think
> other people feel the same way.
>
> Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support
> these Lists?
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>
> Matt Dralle / Matronics
> 581 Jeannie Way
> Livermore CA 94550
> USA
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Admin.
>
>
--
--glenn hancock
You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you
down to their level and beat you with experience.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
| From: | StopHillary Clinton <sr14572(at)yahoo.com> |
Keep me on the list.......forever!!!!!!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Glenn Hancock wrote:
>
> If you are going to be sending these emails every 3 days please remove me f
rom the list
>
> Thanks
>
> Glenn
>
>> On Wednesday, November 11, 2015, Matt Dralle wrote
:
>>
>> Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been fre
e from advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wantin
g to tap into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted h
ere, but have always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet thes
e days, a user is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for crap
that they don't want. Yahoo, Google and that ilk are not "free". The user
must constantly endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into their fac
e at an ever increasing rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at Matronics c
hoose not to succumb to that.
>>
>> That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a
lot of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, air conditi
oning, maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc. I choose to hold a PBS-like fu
nd raiser each year during the month of November where I simply send out a s
hort email every other day asking the members to make a small contribution t
o support the operation. That being said, that contribution is completely v
oluntary and non-compulsory. Many members choose not to contribute and that
's fine.
>>
>> However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a cont
ribution and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists running. And
that's it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant way of mainta
ining the Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year, you don't see a
single advertisement or request for support. That's refreshing and that is
a List and Forum that I want to belong to. I think other people feel the s
ame way.
>>
>> Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and suppor
t these Lists?
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
>>
>> Matt Dralle / Matronics
>> 581 Jeannie Way
>> Livermore CA 94550
>> USA
>>
>> Thank you for your support!
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>> Email List Admin.
>>
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>
>
> --
> --glenn hancock
>
> You can't win an argument with an ignorant person. They'll just drag you d
own to their level and beat you with experience.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (UDI) remembering |
the struggle
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
Great article . Thanks Gil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, "Nico hMail" wrote:
>
> Remembering 11th November 1965 when Ian Smith declared unilateral independ
ence for Rhodesia and introduced the golden years in that country's entire h
istory. It had a budget surplus, economic growth surpassing almost all the c
ountries of the world, low unemployment still not seen in the world, no raci
al segregation, a capitalist economy, and liberty for all.
>
> The socialist West, communist East, and communist Africa -- all in cahoots
to not tolerate a smidgen of capitalism and liberty succeeding anywhere in t
he world -- pounced on Smith, forcing Mugabe and a brutal communist regime o
nto the people, knowing that thousands of Rhodesians would be slaughtered, b
ut that was a fair price to pay to prevent capitalism and liberty from takin
g hold.
>
> Rhodesia was pushed over the cliff of racism and totalitarian rule crashin
g onto the rocks below with huge loss of life, liberty and property. It was l
ike anywhere else where communism engulfed people: the very people it claims
to rush to the rescue for, are the very people it kills first. It's like th
e gay-marriage hoax, the global climate-change hoax, the GMO hoax, and other
hoaxes that have so successfully paved the way for communism.
>
> The West's cuddly relationship with socialism's chickens are soaring home t
o roost. Islam, the grand-daddy of all totalitarian regimes, is walking into
their homes, their parliaments and their churches against which they are to
tally defenseless because Islam uses the exact same language-keys they used t
o embrace socialism. To resist Islam requires a mind-shift of epic proportio
ns and an abandonment of all their idol-gods that they believed were the sou
rce of their peace and righteousness against capitalism and liberty.
>
> How our cries of warning of the depravity of socialism, which fell on defi
ant ears, now echo in horror in them when they see their daughters consumed b
y legalized rape, torture and sex-slavery, their wives draped in burkahs, be
aten should they resist Shariah Law.
>
> It would have been easy to yell at them "we told you so" if it were not so
brutally bloody and sad to people who grew up on the luring fruit of social
ism.
>
> It would have been easy to refer them to the tragedy of Rhodesia and Ian S
mith in 1965 if it would serve any purpose. Communism, obeying its DNA, will
run its cause until it has had its fill on innocent blood, as it has done o
ver and over again in the previous century. Almost 100 years ago the slaught
er of innocents started for that century, just as it has today for this cent
ury.
>
> Will this also last 80 years costing more than 100 million innocent lives o
f people who merely desired to be free and independent?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
in December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
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Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com> |
| Subject: | [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (UDI) remembering |
the struggle
Gil,
Pope Francis needs to read and study this ..Nick
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
(UDI) remembering the struggle
Great article . Thanks Gil
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, "Nico hMail" wrote:
Remembering 11th November 1965 when Ian Smith declared unilateral
independence for Rhodesia and introduced the golden years in that
country's entire history. It had a budget surplus, economic growth
surpassing almost all the countries of the world, low unemployment still
not seen in the world, no racial segregation, a capitalist economy, and
liberty for all.
The socialist West, communist East, and communist Africa -- all in
cahoots to not tolerate a smidgen of capitalism and liberty succeeding
anywhere in the world -- pounced on Smith, forcing Mugabe and a brutal
communist regime onto the people, knowing that thousands of Rhodesians
would be slaughtered, but that was a fair price to pay to prevent
capitalism and liberty from taking hold.
Rhodesia was pushed over the cliff of racism and totalitarian rule
crashing onto the rocks below with huge loss of life, liberty and
property. It was like anywhere else where communism engulfed people: the
very people it claims to rush to the rescue for, are the very people it
kills first. It's like the gay-marriage hoax, the global climate-change
hoax, the GMO hoax, and other hoaxes that have so successfully paved the
way for communism.
The West's cuddly relationship with socialism's chickens are soaring
home to roost. Islam, the grand-daddy of all totalitarian regimes, is
walking into their homes, their parliaments and their churches against
which they are totally defenseless because Islam uses the exact same
language-keys they used to embrace socialism. To resist Islam requires a
mind-shift of epic proportions and an abandonment of all their idol-gods
that they believed were the source of their peace and righteousness
against capitalism and liberty.
How our cries of warning of the depravity of socialism, which fell on
defiant ears, now echo in horror in them when they see their daughters
consumed by legalized rape, torture and sex-slavery, their wives draped
in burkahs, beaten should they resist Shariah Law.
It would have been easy to yell at them "we told you so" if it were not
so brutally bloody and sad to people who grew up on the luring fruit of
socialism.
It would have been easy to refer them to the tragedy of Rhodesia and Ian
Smith in 1965 if it would serve any purpose. Communism, obeying its DNA,
will run its cause until it has had its fill on innocent blood, as it
has done over and over again in the previous century. Almost 100 years
ago the slaughter of innocents started for that century, just as it has
today for this century.
Will this also last 80 years costing more than 100 million innocent
lives of people who merely desired to be free and independent?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (UDI) remembering |
the struggle
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
Unfortunate that they only understand force ! Just as we are going to see in
this country ! I Never thought I would see this country in the state it is i
n today ! Never ! If we don't get a real president and congress this time we
are in deep trouble ! We have already lost Common sense approach to most ev
ery aspect of our government .
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:28 PM, "Nick Martin" wrote:
>
> Gil,
> Pope Francis needs to read and study this ..Nick
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:42 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (U
DI) remembering the struggle
>
> Great article . Thanks Gil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, "Nico hMail" wrote:
>
> Remembering 11th November 1965 when Ian Smith declared unilateral independ
ence for Rhodesia and introduced the golden years in that country's entire h
istory. It had a budget surplus, economic growth surpassing almost all the c
ountries of the world, low unemployment still not seen in the world, no raci
al segregation, a capitalist economy, and liberty for all.
>
> The socialist West, communist East, and communist Africa -- all in cahoots
to not tolerate a smidgen of capitalism and liberty succeeding anywhere in t
he world -- pounced on Smith, forcing Mugabe and a brutal communist regime o
nto the people, knowing that thousands of Rhodesians would be slaughtered, b
ut that was a fair price to pay to prevent capitalism and liberty from takin
g hold.
>
> Rhodesia was pushed over the cliff of racism and totalitarian rule crashin
g onto the rocks below with huge loss of life, liberty and property. It was l
ike anywhere else where communism engulfed people: the very people it claims
to rush to the rescue for, are the very people it kills first. It's like th
e gay-marriage hoax, the global climate-change hoax, the GMO hoax, and other
hoaxes that have so successfully paved the way for communism.
>
> The West's cuddly relationship with socialism's chickens are soaring home t
o roost. Islam, the grand-daddy of all totalitarian regimes, is walking into
their homes, their parliaments and their churches against which they are to
tally defenseless because Islam uses the exact same language-keys they used t
o embrace socialism. To resist Islam requires a mind-shift of epic proportio
ns and an abandonment of all their idol-gods that they believed were the sou
rce of their peace and righteousness against capitalism and liberty.
>
> How our cries of warning of the depravity of socialism, which fell on defi
ant ears, now echo in horror in them when they see their daughters consumed b
y legalized rape, torture and sex-slavery, their wives draped in burkahs, be
aten should they resist Shariah Law.
>
> It would have been easy to yell at them "we told you so" if it were not so
brutally bloody and sad to people who grew up on the luring fruit of social
ism.
>
> It would have been easy to refer them to the tragedy of Rhodesia and Ian S
mith in 1965 if it would serve any purpose. Communism, obeying its DNA, will
run its cause until it has had its fill on innocent blood, as it has done o
ver and over again in the previous century. Almost 100 years ago the slaught
er of innocents started for that century, just as it has today for this cent
ury.
>
> Will this also last 80 years costing more than 100 million innocent lives o
f people who merely desired to be free and independent?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (UDI) remembering |
the struggle
Gil,
I wrote back in 2003 about the developing trends and ten years later I
published a book (Amazon: The Immensa Hypothesis) explaining how Obama
would cause the United States to surrender its sovereignty with him,
both houses of congress and the Supreme Court justices in a parade to
the surrendering ceremony The media would be hailing it as a huge
victory for eternal peace, global prosperity and the end of all wars. In
fact, I wrote, the American people would beg Obama to do this with him
as emperor of the American continent. How would this be done? As we have
seen in Paris and soon the rest of Europe with the U.S. following
thereafter: large scale Islamic terror, then a war with Russia staged in
the Middle East which Obama as CIC will architect to lose, and China in
California. We tend to forget that China's aircraft carrier, the
Liaoning, already lies in the Long Beach shipyard, that Clinton sold to
the Chinese in the 1990s.
The keys are the classification of Islam as "Radical" and others as
"Moderate" to allow the moderate Muslims to freely enter the country
under the banner of religious freedom, which sets up the infra-structure
(mosques, sponsors, money and jobs) to open the borders for the
radicals. Once they managed to embed into the people's psyche that
radical is bad and moderate is good, then Christians and Jews who hold
to their Scriptures (don't lie, don't steal, don't kill) would also be
classified as radicals and those who violate their underlying doctrine
for the sake of "peace" would be moderates. Once that's done, those
Americans who hold to the Constitution would also be radicals and
fundamentalists, both words are already epithets. Laws passed to
curtail, detain, and prosecute terrorists would scoop up Christians,
Jews, and conservative Americans as well.
I am finalizing Part Two of the book explaining what we can do to stop
this and prevent it from ever happening again. The immediate essentials
are to prevent Obama from dragging the U.S. into war with Russia (and
China) and prevent further debt, because that would be China's motive
for aggression against the U.S. Once the dollar collapses China will
sue for its money back rendering the 90 million+ Americans with guns and
own discretion to protect themselves, but completely paralyzed.
What France is going to do next will be crucial. Whether the socialist
Hollande will engage in mere token retaliation is very likely. If the
entire Europe would not deport all Muslims, not only "radicals", the
bomb would be ticking and set to go off before the November 2016
elections.
We have demanded that conservatives reach across the aisle to Democrats,
who didn't meet us half-way but dragged our emissaries all the way over
to their side. We have no idea what we are about to face and who we can
trust. By design.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil
Walker
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
(UDI) remembering the struggle
Unfortunate that they only understand force ! Just as we are going to
see in this country ! I Never thought I would see this country in the
state it is in today ! Never ! If we don't get a real president and
congress this time we are in deep trouble ! We have already lost Common
sense approach to most every aspect of our government .
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:28 PM, "Nick Martin" wrote:
Gil,
Pope Francis needs to read and study this ..Nick
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
(UDI) remembering the struggle
Great article . Thanks Gil
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, "Nico hMail" wrote:
Remembering 11th November 1965 when Ian Smith declared unilateral
independence for Rhodesia and introduced the golden years in that
country's entire history. It had a budget surplus, economic growth
surpassing almost all the countries of the world, low unemployment still
not seen in the world, no racial segregation, a capitalist economy, and
liberty for all.
The socialist West, communist East, and communist Africa -- all in
cahoots to not tolerate a smidgen of capitalism and liberty succeeding
anywhere in the world -- pounced on Smith, forcing Mugabe and a brutal
communist regime onto the people, knowing that thousands of Rhodesians
would be slaughtered, but that was a fair price to pay to prevent
capitalism and liberty from taking hold.
Rhodesia was pushed over the cliff of racism and totalitarian rule
crashing onto the rocks below with huge loss of life, liberty and
property. It was like anywhere else where communism engulfed people: the
very people it claims to rush to the rescue for, are the very people it
kills first. It's like the gay-marriage hoax, the global climate-change
hoax, the GMO hoax, and other hoaxes that have so successfully paved the
way for communism.
The West's cuddly relationship with socialism's chickens are soaring
home to roost. Islam, the grand-daddy of all totalitarian regimes, is
walking into their homes, their parliaments and their churches against
which they are totally defenseless because Islam uses the exact same
language-keys they used to embrace socialism. To resist Islam requires a
mind-shift of epic proportions and an abandonment of all their idol-gods
that they believed were the source of their peace and righteousness
against capitalism and liberty.
How our cries of warning of the depravity of socialism, which fell on
defiant ears, now echo in horror in them when they see their daughters
consumed by legalized rape, torture and sex-slavery, their wives draped
in burkahs, beaten should they resist Shariah Law.
It would have been easy to yell at them "we told you so" if it were not
so brutally bloody and sad to people who grew up on the luring fruit of
socialism.
It would have been easy to refer them to the tragedy of Rhodesia and Ian
Smith in 1965 if it would serve any purpose. Communism, obeying its DNA,
will run its cause until it has had its fill on innocent blood, as it
has done over and over again in the previous century. Almost 100 years
ago the slaughter of innocents started for that century, just as it has
today for this century.
Will this also last 80 years costing more than 100 million innocent
lives of people who merely desired to be free and independent?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (UDI) |
remembering the struggle
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (MacPro13)" <deneals(at)deneals.com> |
Nico:
You=B9ve hijacked what was a nice listserv with your political agenda.
STFU.
From: <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 7:30 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
(UDI) remembering the struggle
Gil,
I wrote back in 2003 about the developing trends and ten years later I
published a book (Amazon: The Immensa Hypothesis) explaining how Obama woul
d
cause the United States to surrender its sovereignty with him, both houses
of congress and the Supreme Court justices in a parade to the surrendering
ceremony The media would be hailing it as a huge victory for eternal peace,
global prosperity and the end of all wars. In fact, I wrote, the American
people would beg Obama to do this with him as emperor of the American
continent. How would this be done? As we have seen in Paris and soon the
rest of Europe with the U.S. following thereafter: large scale Islamic
terror, then a war with Russia staged in the Middle East which Obama as CIC
will architect to lose, and China in California. We tend to forget that
China's aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, already lies in the Long Beach
shipyard, that Clinton sold to the Chinese in the 1990s.
The keys are the classification of Islam as "Radical" and others as
"Moderate" to allow the moderate Muslims to freely enter the country under
the banner of religious freedom, which sets up the infra-structure (mosques
,
sponsors, money and jobs) to open the borders for the radicals. Once they
managed to embed into the people's psyche that radical is bad and moderate
is good, then Christians and Jews who hold to their Scriptures (don't lie,
don't steal, don't kill) would also be classified as radicals and those who
violate their underlying doctrine for the sake of "peace" would be
moderates. Once that's done, those Americans who hold to the Constitution
would also be radicals and fundamentalists, both words are already epithets
.
Laws passed to curtail, detain, and prosecute terrorists would scoop up
Christians, Jews, and conservative Americans as well.
I am finalizing Part Two of the book explaining what we can do to stop this
and prevent it from ever happening again. The immediate essentials are to
prevent Obama from dragging the U.S. into war with Russia (and China) and
prevent further debt, because that would be China's motive for aggression
against the U.S. Once the dollar collapses China will sue for its money
back rendering the 90 million+ Americans with guns and own discretion to
protect themselves, but completely paralyzed.
What France is going to do next will be crucial. Whether the socialist
Hollande will engage in mere token retaliation is very likely. If the entir
e
Europe would not deport all Muslims, not only "radicals", the bomb would be
ticking and set to go off before the November 2016 elections.
We have demanded that conservatives reach across the aisle to Democrats, wh
o
didn't meet us half-way but dragged our emissaries all the way over to thei
r
side. We have no idea what we are about to face and who we can trust. By
design.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil Walker
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
(UDI) remembering the struggle
Unfortunate that they only understand force ! Just as we are going to see i
n
this country ! I Never thought I would see this country in the state it is
in today ! Never ! If we don't get a real president and congress this time
we are in deep trouble ! We have already lost Common sense approach to most
every aspect of our government .
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:28 PM, "Nick Martin" wrote:
>
> Gil,
> Pope Francis needs to read and study this ..Nick
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil Walke
r
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:42 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com <http://nicsysco.com> ] Rhodes
ian
> Independence 1965 (UDI) remembering the struggle
>
>
> Great article . Thanks Gil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, "Nico hMail" wrote:
>>
>> Remembering 11th November 1965 when Ian Smith declared unilateral
>> independence for Rhodesia and introduced the golden years in that countr
y's
>> entire history. It had a budget surplus, economic growth surpassing almo
st
>> all the countries of the world, low unemployment still not seen in the w
orld,
>> no racial segregation, a capitalist economy, and liberty for all.
>>
>> The socialist West, communist East, and communist Africa -- all in cahoo
ts to
>> not tolerate a smidgen of capitalism and liberty succeeding anywhere in
the
>> world -- pounced on Smith, forcing Mugabe and a brutal communist regime
onto
>> the people, knowing that thousands of Rhodesians would be slaughtered, b
ut
>> that was a fair price to pay to prevent capitalism and liberty from taki
ng
>> hold.
>>
>> Rhodesia was pushed over the cliff of racism and totalitarian rule crash
ing
>> onto the rocks below with huge loss of life, liberty and property. It wa
s
>> like anywhere else where communism engulfed people: the very people it c
laims
>> to rush to the rescue for, are the very people it kills first. It's like
the
>> gay-marriage hoax, the global climate-change hoax, the GMO hoax, and oth
er
>> hoaxes that have so successfully paved the way for communism.
>>
>> The West's cuddly relationship with socialism's chickens are soaring hom
e to
>> roost. Islam, the grand-daddy of all totalitarian regimes, is walking in
to
>> their homes, their parliaments and their churches against which they are
>> totally defenseless because Islam uses the exact same language-keys they
used
>> to embrace socialism. To resist Islam requires a mind-shift of epic
>> proportions and an abandonment of all their idol-gods that they believed
were
>> the source of their peace and righteousness against capitalism and liber
ty.
>>
>> How our cries of warning of the depravity of socialism, which fell on de
fiant
>> ears, now echo in horror in them when they see their daughters consumed
by
>> legalized rape, torture and sex-slavery, their wives draped in burkahs,
>> beaten should they resist Shariah Law.
>>
>> It would have been easy to yell at them "we told you so" if it were not
so
>> brutally bloody and sad to people who grew up on the luring fruit of
>> socialism.
>>
>> It would have been easy to refer them to the tragedy of Rhodesia and Ian
>> Smith in 1965 if it would serve any purpose. Communism, obeying its DNA,
will
>> run its cause until it has had its fill on innocent blood, as it has don
e
>> over and over again in the previous century. Almost 100 years ago the
>> slaughter of innocents started for that century, just as it has today fo
r
>> this century.
>>
>> Will this also last 80 years costing more than 100 million innocent live
s of
>> people who merely desired to be free and independent?
>>
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (UDI) |
remembering the struggle
| From: | Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I wondered how this applied to a Commander's issues.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Deneal Schilmeister (MacPro13) <
deneals(at)deneals.com> wrote:
> Nico:
>
> You=99ve hijacked what was a nice listserv with your political agen
da.
>
> STFU.
>
> From: <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
> Reply-To:
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 7:30 AM
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
> (UDI) remembering the struggle
>
> Gil,
>
> I wrote back in 2003 about the developing trends and ten years later I
> published a book (Amazon: The Immensa Hypothesis) explaining how Obama
> would cause the United States to surrender its sovereignty with him, both
> houses of congress and the Supreme Court justices in a parade to the
> surrendering ceremony The media would be hailing it as a huge victory for
> eternal peace, global prosperity and the end of all wars. In fact, I wrot
e,
> the American people would beg Obama to do this with him as emperor of the
> American continent. How would this be done? As we have seen in Paris and
> soon the rest of Europe with the U.S. following thereafter: large scale
> Islamic terror, then a war with Russia staged in the Middle East which
> Obama as CIC will architect to lose, and China in California. We tend to
> forget that China's aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, already lies in the
> Long Beach shipyard, that Clinton sold to the Chinese in the 1990s.
>
>
> The keys are the classification of Islam as "Radical" and others as
> "Moderate" to allow the moderate Muslims to freely enter the country unde
r
> the banner of religious freedom, which sets up the infra-structure
> (mosques, sponsors, money and jobs) to open the borders for the radicals.
> Once they managed to embed into the people's psyche that radical is bad a
nd
> moderate is good, then Christians and Jews who hold to their Scriptures
> (don't lie, don't steal, don't kill) would also be classified as radicals
> and those who violate their underlying doctrine for the sake of "peace"
> would be moderates. Once that's done, those Americans who hold to the
> Constitution would also be radicals and fundamentalists, both words are
> already epithets. Laws passed to curtail, detain, and prosecute terrorist
s
> would scoop up Christians, Jews, and conservative Americans as well.
>
>
> I am finalizing Part Two of the book explaining what we can do to stop
> this and prevent it from ever happening again. The immediate essentials a
re
> to prevent Obama from dragging the U.S. into war with Russia (and China)
> and prevent further debt, because that would be China's motive for
> aggression against the U.S. Once the dollar collapses China will sue for
> its money back rendering the 90 million+ Americans with guns and own
> discretion to protect themselves, but completely paralyzed.
>
>
> What France is going to do next will be crucial. Whether the socialist
> Hollande will engage in mere token retaliation is very likely. If the
> entire Europe would not deport all Muslims, not only "radicals", the bomb
> would be ticking and set to go off before the November 2016 elections.
>
>
> We have demanded that conservatives reach across the aisle to Democrats,
> who didn't meet us half-way but dragged our emissaries all the way over t
o
> their side. We have no idea what we are about to face and who we can trus
t.
> By design.
>
>
> Nico
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Gil Walker
> *Sent:* Friday, November 13, 2015 5:12 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
> (UDI) remembering the struggle
>
>
> Unfortunate that they only understand force ! Just as we are going to see
> in this country ! I Never thought I would see this country in the state i
t
> is in today ! Never ! If we don't get a real president and congress this
> time we are in deep trouble ! We have already lost Common sense approach
to
> most every aspect of our government .
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:28 PM, "Nick Martin" wrote:
>
> Gil,
>
> Pope Francis needs to read and study this ..Nick
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Gil Walker
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:42 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
> (UDI) remembering the struggle
>
>
> Great article . Thanks Gil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, "Nico hMail" wrote:
>
> Remembering 11th November 1965 when Ian Smith declared unilateral
> independence for Rhodesia and introduced the golden years in that country
's
> entire history. It had a budget surplus, economic growth surpassing almos
t
> all the countries of the world, low unemployment still not seen in the
> world, no racial segregation, a capitalist economy, and liberty for all.
>
> The socialist West, communist East, and communist Africa -- all in cahoot
s
> to not tolerate a smidgen of capitalism and liberty succeeding anywhere i
n
> the world -- pounced on Smith, forcing Mugabe and a brutal communist regi
me
> onto the people, knowing that thousands of Rhodesians would be slaughtere
d,
> but that was a fair price to pay to prevent capitalism and liberty from
> taking hold.
>
> Rhodesia was pushed over the cliff of racism and totalitarian rule
> crashing onto the rocks below with huge loss of life, liberty and propert
y.
> It was like anywhere else where communism engulfed people: the very peopl
e
> it claims to rush to the rescue for, are the very people it kills first.
> It's like the gay-marriage hoax, the global climate-change hoax, the GMO
> hoax, and other hoaxes that have so successfully paved the way for
> communism.
>
> The West's cuddly relationship with socialism's chickens are soaring home
> to roost. Islam, the grand-daddy of all totalitarian regimes, is walking
> into their homes, their parliaments and their churches against which they
> are totally defenseless because Islam uses the exact same language-keys
> they used to embrace socialism. To resist Islam requires a mind-shift of
> epic proportions and an abandonment of all their idol-gods that they
> believed were the source of their peace and righteousness against
> capitalism and liberty.
>
> How our cries of warning of the depravity of socialism, which fell on
> defiant ears, now echo in horror in them when they see their daughters
> consumed by legalized rape, torture and sex-slavery, their wives draped i
n
> burkahs, beaten should they resist Shariah Law.
>
> It would have been easy to yell at them "we told you so" if it were not s
o
> brutally bloody and sad to people who grew up on the luring fruit of
> socialism.
>
> It would have been easy to refer them to the tragedy of Rhodesia and Ian
> Smith in 1965 if it would serve any purpose. Communism, obeying its DNA,
> will run its cause until it has had its fill on innocent blood, as it has
> done over and over again in the previous century. Almost 100 years ago th
e
> slaughter of innocents started for that century, just as it has today for
> this century.
>
> Will this also last 80 years costing more than 100 million innocent lives
> of people who merely desired to be free and independent?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico hMail" <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence |
1965 (UDI) remembering the struggle
Hijacked?
I just shared my thoughts, Deneal. Using STFU doesn't mute the sound
that it really makes.
It is not a Commander topic but as an issue, it is very real for all
liberty loving people, including Commander flyers. I am not a politician
and I do not run for any office of any kind. So, how you can see this as
a political agenda is another rather uncertain comment.
My country of birth was handed over to communists without a shot being
fired, by politicians, no less. I chose to come the U.S., became a
citizen, legally, because this country is the only one in which the
people have the right to change their government in a non-violent
manner. It would have been much less of a culture-shock to have moved to
England, Australia or any other British cultured country, but this was
and still is the place we wanted to live and have been for the past
almost 25 years.
So, please, don't lecture me on political agendas and when I see the
exact same thing occurring here that caused communist takeovers without
the people realizing that it is happening until they were locked up
without cause for merely expressing their thoughts, or believing what
they thought were their rights.
How is that a Commander "issue"? All signs are playing out that Obama
will lock you up for expressing your thoughts, take your Commander,
money, property and rights away. That's not a political statement,
that's a real danger and if you still believe otherwise, you are living
with your head in the sand. Pretty much like the Jews who still believed
that Hitler's victims must have done something to offend him, even the
night before Kristalnacht. Only then did they realize they have no arms,
no money, no rights and are petrified at the sight of the SS.
To be a Commander fanatic, like we are, does not shield us from reality.
You and I have the liberty to drill holes in the sky whenever we choose
to do so, solely because of this country's constitution and those brave
men and women who defend it. Obama and Democrats are extremely toxic to
this nation and its principles and will turn it into a totalitarian
state. That's just a fact which they have declared many times over. Take
it from someone who has been there and lived through it once before.
I apologize if I post something on the Commander list that offends
others, and I mean that sincerely. But to STFU me is uncalled for.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 6:38 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian
Independence 1965 (UDI) remembering the struggle
I wondered how this applied to a Commander's issues.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Deneal Schilmeister (MacPro13)
wrote:
Nico:
You=99ve hijacked what was a nice listserv with your political
agenda.
STFU.
From: <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 7:30 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
(UDI) remembering the struggle
Gil,
I wrote back in 2003 about the developing trends and ten years later I
published a book (Amazon: The Immensa Hypothesis) explaining how Obama
would cause the United States to surrender its sovereignty with him,
both houses of congress and the Supreme Court justices in a parade to
the surrendering ceremony The media would be hailing it as a huge
victory for eternal peace, global prosperity and the end of all wars. In
fact, I wrote, the American people would beg Obama to do this with him
as emperor of the American continent. How would this be done? As we have
seen in Paris and soon the rest of Europe with the U.S. following
thereafter: large scale Islamic terror, then a war with Russia staged in
the Middle East which Obama as CIC will architect to lose, and China in
California. We tend to forget that China's aircraft carrier, the
Liaoning, already lies in the Long Beach shipyard, that Clinton sold to
the Chinese in the 1990s.
The keys are the classification of Islam as "Radical" and others as
"Moderate" to allow the moderate Muslims to freely enter the country
under the banner of religious freedom, which sets up the infra-structure
(mosques, sponsors, money and jobs) to open the borders for the
radicals. Once they managed to embed into the people's psyche that
radical is bad and moderate is good, then Christians and Jews who hold
to their Scriptures (don't lie, don't steal, don't kill) would also be
classified as radicals and those who violate their underlying doctrine
for the sake of "peace" would be moderates. Once that's done, those
Americans who hold to the Constitution would also be radicals and
fundamentalists, both words are already epithets. Laws passed to
curtail, detain, and prosecute terrorists would scoop up Christians,
Jews, and conservative Americans as well.
I am finalizing Part Two of the book explaining what we can do to stop
this and prevent it from ever happening again. The immediate essentials
are to prevent Obama from dragging the U.S. into war with Russia (and
China) and prevent further debt, because that would be China's motive
for aggression against the U.S. Once the dollar collapses China will
sue for its money back rendering the 90 million+ Americans with guns and
own discretion to protect themselves, but completely paralyzed.
What France is going to do next will be crucial. Whether the socialist
Hollande will engage in mere token retaliation is very likely. If the
entire Europe would not deport all Muslims, not only "radicals", the
bomb would be ticking and set to go off before the November 2016
elections.
We have demanded that conservatives reach across the aisle to Democrats,
who didn't meet us half-way but dragged our emissaries all the way over
to their side. We have no idea what we are about to face and who we can
trust. By design.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil
Walker
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
(UDI) remembering the struggle
Unfortunate that they only understand force ! Just as we are going to
see in this country ! I Never thought I would see this country in the
state it is in today ! Never ! If we don't get a real president and
congress this time we are in deep trouble ! We have already lost Common
sense approach to most every aspect of our government .
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:28 PM, "Nick Martin" wrote:
Gil,
Pope Francis needs to read and study this ..Nick
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
(UDI) remembering the struggle
Great article . Thanks Gil
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, "Nico hMail" wrote:
Remembering 11th November 1965 when Ian Smith declared unilateral
independence for Rhodesia and introduced the golden years in that
country's entire history. It had a budget surplus, economic growth
surpassing almost all the countries of the world, low unemployment still
not seen in the world, no racial segregation, a capitalist economy, and
liberty for all.
The socialist West, communist East, and communist Africa -- all in
cahoots to not tolerate a smidgen of capitalism and liberty succeeding
anywhere in the world -- pounced on Smith, forcing Mugabe and a brutal
communist regime onto the people, knowing that thousands of Rhodesians
would be slaughtered, but that was a fair price to pay to prevent
capitalism and liberty from taking hold.
Rhodesia was pushed over the cliff of racism and totalitarian rule
crashing onto the rocks below with huge loss of life, liberty and
property. It was like anywhere else where communism engulfed people: the
very people it claims to rush to the rescue for, are the very people it
kills first. It's like the gay-marriage hoax, the global climate-change
hoax, the GMO hoax, and other hoaxes that have so successfully paved the
way for communism.
The West's cuddly relationship with socialism's chickens are soaring
home to roost. Islam, the grand-daddy of all totalitarian regimes, is
walking into their homes, their parliaments and their churches against
which they are totally defenseless because Islam uses the exact same
language-keys they used to embrace socialism. To resist Islam requires a
mind-shift of epic proportions and an abandonment of all their idol-gods
that they believed were the source of their peace and righteousness
against capitalism and liberty.
How our cries of warning of the depravity of socialism, which fell on
defiant ears, now echo in horror in them when they see their daughters
consumed by legalized rape, torture and sex-slavery, their wives draped
in burkahs, beaten should they resist Shariah Law.
It would have been easy to yell at them "we told you so" if it were not
so brutally bloody and sad to people who grew up on the luring fruit of
socialism.
It would have been easy to refer them to the tragedy of Rhodesia and Ian
Smith in 1965 if it would serve any purpose. Communism, obeying its DNA,
will run its cause until it has had its fill on innocent blood, as it
has done over and over again in the previous century. Almost 100 years
ago the slaughter of innocents started for that century, just as it has
today for this century.
Will this also last 80 years costing more than 100 million innocent
lives of people who merely desired to be free and independent?
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence |
1965 (UDI) remembering the struggle
Not relevant to commanders. You should take this topic elsewhere.
Sent from my iPhone 6+
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 7:23 AM, Nico hMail wrote:
>
> Hijacked?
>
> I just shared my thoughts, Deneal. Using STFU doesn't mute the sound that i
t really makes.
>
> It is not a Commander topic but as an issue, it is very real for all liber
ty loving people, including Commander flyers. I am not a politician and I do
not run for any office of any kind. So, how you can see this as a political
agenda is another rather uncertain comment.
>
> My country of birth was handed over to communists without a shot being fir
ed, by politicians, no less. I chose to come the U.S., became a citizen, leg
ally, because this country is the only one in which the people have the righ
t to change their government in a non-violent manner. It would have been muc
h less of a culture-shock to have moved to England, Australia or any other B
ritish cultured country, but this was and still is the place we wanted to li
ve and have been for the past almost 25 years.
>
> So, please, don't lecture me on political agendas and when I see the exact
same thing occurring here that caused communist takeovers without the peopl
e realizing that it is happening until they were locked up without cause for
merely expressing their thoughts, or believing what they thought were their
rights.
>
> How is that a Commander "issue"? All signs are playing out that Obama will
lock you up for expressing your thoughts, take your Commander, money, prope
rty and rights away. That's not a political statement, that's a real danger a
nd if you still believe otherwise, you are living with your head in the sand
. Pretty much like the Jews who still believed that Hitler's victims must ha
ve done something to offend him, even the night before Kristalnacht. Only th
en did they realize they have no arms, no money, no rights and are petrified
at the sight of the SS.
>
> To be a Commander fanatic, like we are, does not shield us from reality. Y
ou and I have the liberty to drill holes in the sky whenever we choose to do
so, solely because of this country's constitution and those brave men and w
omen who defend it. Obama and Democrats are extremely toxic to this nation a
nd its principles and will turn it into a totalitarian state. That's just a f
act which they have declared many times over. Take it from someone who has b
een there and lived through it once before.
>
> I apologize if I post something on the Commander list that offends others,
and I mean that sincerely. But to STFU me is uncalled for.
>
> Nico
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 6:38 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Inde
pendence 1965 (UDI) remembering the struggle
>
> I wondered how this applied to a Commander's issues.
> Tom
> C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Deneal Schilmeister (MacPro13) wrote:
> Nico:
>
> You=99ve hijacked what was a nice listserv with your political agend
a.
>
> STFU.
>
> From: <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
> Reply-To:
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 7:30 AM
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (U
DI) remembering the struggle
>
> Gil,
> I wrote back in 2003 about the developing trends and ten years later I pub
lished a book (Amazon: The Immensa Hypothesis) explaining how Obama would ca
use the United States to surrender its sovereignty with him, both houses of c
ongress and the Supreme Court justices in a parade to the surrendering cerem
ony The media would be hailing it as a huge victory for eternal peace, globa
l prosperity and the end of all wars. In fact, I wrote, the American people w
ould beg Obama to do this with him as emperor of the American continent. How
would this be done? As we have seen in Paris and soon the rest of Europe wi
th the U.S. following thereafter: large scale Islamic terror, then a war wit
h Russia staged in the Middle East which Obama as CIC will architect to lose
, and China in California. We tend to forget that China's aircraft carrier, t
he Liaoning, already lies in the Long Beach shipyard, that Clinton sold to t
he Chinese in the 1990s.
>
> The keys are the classification of Islam as "Radical" and others as "Moder
ate" to allow the moderate Muslims to freely enter the country under the ban
ner of religious freedom, which sets up the infra-structure (mosques, sponso
rs, money and jobs) to open the borders for the radicals. Once they managed
to embed into the people's psyche that radical is bad and moderate is good,
then Christians and Jews who hold to their Scriptures (don't lie, don't ste
al, don't kill) would also be classified as radicals and those who violate t
heir underlying doctrine for the sake of "peace" would be moderates. Once th
at's done, those Americans who hold to the Constitution would also be radica
ls and fundamentalists, both words are already epithets. Laws passed to curt
ail, detain, and prosecute terrorists would scoop up Christians, Jews, and c
onservative Americans as well.
>
> I am finalizing Part Two of the book explaining what we can do to stop thi
s and prevent it from ever happening again. The immediate essentials are to p
revent Obama from dragging the U.S. into war with Russia (and China) and pre
vent further debt, because that would be China's motive for aggression again
st the U.S. Once the dollar collapses China will sue for its money back ren
dering the 90 million+ Americans with guns and own discretion to protect the
mselves, but completely paralyzed.
>
> What France is going to do next will be crucial. Whether the socialist Hol
lande will engage in mere token retaliation is very likely. If the entire Eu
rope would not deport all Muslims, not only "radicals", the bomb would be ti
cking and set to go off before the November 2016 elections.
>
> We have demanded that conservatives reach across the aisle to Democrats, w
ho didn't meet us half-way but dragged our emissaries all the way over to th
eir side. We have no idea what we are about to face and who we can trust. By
design.
>
> Nico
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil Walker
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 5:12 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (U
DI) remembering the struggle
>
> Unfortunate that they only understand force ! Just as we are going to see i
n this country ! I Never thought I would see this country in the state it is
in today ! Never ! If we don't get a real president and congress this time w
e are in deep trouble ! We have already lost Common sense approach to most e
very aspect of our government .
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:28 PM, "Nick Martin" wrote:
>
> Gil,
> Pope Francis needs to read and study this ..Nick
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:42 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (U
DI) remembering the struggle
>
> Great article . Thanks Gil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, "Nico hMail" wrote:
>
> Remembering 11th November 1965 when Ian Smith declared unilateral independ
ence for Rhodesia and introduced the golden years in that country's entire h
istory. It had a budget surplus, economic growth surpassing almost all the c
ountries of the world, low unemployment still not seen in the world, no raci
al segregation, a capitalist economy, and liberty for all.
>
> The socialist West, communist East, and communist Africa -- all in cahoots
to not tolerate a smidgen of capitalism and liberty succeeding anywhere in t
he world -- pounced on Smith, forcing Mugabe and a brutal communist regime o
nto the people, knowing that thousands of Rhodesians would be slaughtered, b
ut that was a fair price to pay to prevent capitalism and liberty from takin
g hold.
>
> Rhodesia was pushed over the cliff of racism and totalitarian rule crashin
g onto the rocks below with huge loss of life, liberty and property. It was l
ike anywhere else where communism engulfed people: the very people it claims
to rush to the rescue for, are the very people it kills first. It's like th
e gay-marriage hoax, the global climate-change hoax, the GMO hoax, and other
hoaxes that have so successfully paved the way for communism.
>
> The West's cuddly relationship with socialism's chickens are soaring home t
o roost. Islam, the grand-daddy of all totalitarian regimes, is walking into
their homes, their parliaments and their churches against which they are to
tally defenseless because Islam uses the exact same language-keys they used t
o embrace socialism. To resist Islam requires a mind-shift of epic proportio
ns and an abandonment of all their idol-gods that they believed were the sou
rce of their peace and righteousness against capitalism and liberty.
>
> How our cries of warning of the depravity of socialism, which fell on defi
ant ears, now echo in horror in them when they see their daughters consumed b
y legalized rape, torture and sex-slavery, their wives draped in burkahs, be
aten should they resist Shariah Law.
>
> It would have been easy to yell at them "we told you so" if it were not so
brutally bloody and sad to people who grew up on the luring fruit of social
ism.
>
> It would have been easy to refer them to the tragedy of Rhodesia and Ian S
mith in 1965 if it would serve any purpose. Communism, obeying its DNA, will
run its cause until it has had its fill on innocent blood, as it has done o
ver and over again in the previous century. Almost 100 years ago the slaught
er of innocents started for that century, just as it has today for this cent
ury.
>
> Will this also last 80 years costing more than 100 million innocent lives o
f people who merely desired to be free and independent?
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico hMail" <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence |
1965 (UDI) remembering the struggle
I was unfair. Sorry about that. Will do. Apologies, Deneal.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com]
Rhodesian Independence 1965 (UDI) remembering the struggle
Not relevant to commanders. You should take this topic elsewhere.
Sent from my iPhone 6+
On Nov 14, 2015, at 7:23 AM, Nico hMail wrote:
Hijacked?
I just shared my thoughts, Deneal. Using STFU doesn't mute the sound
that it really makes.
It is not a Commander topic but as an issue, it is very real for all
liberty loving people, including Commander flyers. I am not a politician
and I do not run for any office of any kind. So, how you can see this as
a political agenda is another rather uncertain comment.
My country of birth was handed over to communists without a shot being
fired, by politicians, no less. I chose to come the U.S., became a
citizen, legally, because this country is the only one in which the
people have the right to change their government in a non-violent
manner. It would have been much less of a culture-shock to have moved to
England, Australia or any other British cultured country, but this was
and still is the place we wanted to live and have been for the past
almost 25 years.
So, please, don't lecture me on political agendas and when I see the
exact same thing occurring here that caused communist takeovers without
the people realizing that it is happening until they were locked up
without cause for merely expressing their thoughts, or believing what
they thought were their rights.
How is that a Commander "issue"? All signs are playing out that Obama
will lock you up for expressing your thoughts, take your Commander,
money, property and rights away. That's not a political statement,
that's a real danger and if you still believe otherwise, you are living
with your head in the sand. Pretty much like the Jews who still believed
that Hitler's victims must have done something to offend him, even the
night before Kristalnacht. Only then did they realize they have no arms,
no money, no rights and are petrified at the sight of the SS.
To be a Commander fanatic, like we are, does not shield us from reality.
You and I have the liberty to drill holes in the sky whenever we choose
to do so, solely because of this country's constitution and those brave
men and women who defend it. Obama and Democrats are extremely toxic to
this nation and its principles and will turn it into a totalitarian
state. That's just a fact which they have declared many times over. Take
it from someone who has been there and lived through it once before.
I apologize if I post something on the Commander list that offends
others, and I mean that sincerely. But to STFU me is uncalled for.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 6:38 AM
Subject: [matronics.com] Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian
Independence 1965 (UDI) remembering the struggle
I wondered how this applied to a Commander's issues.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Deneal Schilmeister (MacPro13)
wrote:
Nico:
You=99ve hijacked what was a nice listserv with your political
agenda.
STFU.
From: <nico(at)nicsysco.com>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 7:30 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
(UDI) remembering the struggle
Gil,
I wrote back in 2003 about the developing trends and ten years later I
published a book (Amazon: The Immensa Hypothesis) explaining how Obama
would cause the United States to surrender its sovereignty with him,
both houses of congress and the Supreme Court justices in a parade to
the surrendering ceremony The media would be hailing it as a huge
victory for eternal peace, global prosperity and the end of all wars. In
fact, I wrote, the American people would beg Obama to do this with him
as emperor of the American continent. How would this be done? As we have
seen in Paris and soon the rest of Europe with the U.S. following
thereafter: large scale Islamic terror, then a war with Russia staged in
the Middle East which Obama as CIC will architect to lose, and China in
California. We tend to forget that China's aircraft carrier, the
Liaoning, already lies in the Long Beach shipyard, that Clinton sold to
the Chinese in the 1990s.
The keys are the classification of Islam as "Radical" and others as
"Moderate" to allow the moderate Muslims to freely enter the country
under the banner of religious freedom, which sets up the infra-structure
(mosques, sponsors, money and jobs) to open the borders for the
radicals. Once they managed to embed into the people's psyche that
radical is bad and moderate is good, then Christians and Jews who hold
to their Scriptures (don't lie, don't steal, don't kill) would also be
classified as radicals and those who violate their underlying doctrine
for the sake of "peace" would be moderates. Once that's done, those
Americans who hold to the Constitution would also be radicals and
fundamentalists, both words are already epithets. Laws passed to
curtail, detain, and prosecute terrorists would scoop up Christians,
Jews, and conservative Americans as well.
I am finalizing Part Two of the book explaining what we can do to stop
this and prevent it from ever happening again. The immediate essentials
are to prevent Obama from dragging the U.S. into war with Russia (and
China) and prevent further debt, because that would be China's motive
for aggression against the U.S. Once the dollar collapses China will
sue for its money back rendering the 90 million+ Americans with guns and
own discretion to protect themselves, but completely paralyzed.
What France is going to do next will be crucial. Whether the socialist
Hollande will engage in mere token retaliation is very likely. If the
entire Europe would not deport all Muslims, not only "radicals", the
bomb would be ticking and set to go off before the November 2016
elections.
We have demanded that conservatives reach across the aisle to Democrats,
who didn't meet us half-way but dragged our emissaries all the way over
to their side. We have no idea what we are about to face and who we can
trust. By design.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil
Walker
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
(UDI) remembering the struggle
Unfortunate that they only understand force ! Just as we are going to
see in this country ! I Never thought I would see this country in the
state it is in today ! Never ! If we don't get a real president and
congress this time we are in deep trouble ! We have already lost Common
sense approach to most every aspect of our government .
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:28 PM, "Nick Martin" wrote:
Gil,
Pope Francis needs to read and study this ..Nick
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965
(UDI) remembering the struggle
Great article . Thanks Gil
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, "Nico hMail" wrote:
Remembering 11th November 1965 when Ian Smith declared unilateral
independence for Rhodesia and introduced the golden years in that
country's entire history. It had a budget surplus, economic growth
surpassing almost all the countries of the world, low unemployment still
not seen in the world, no racial segregation, a capitalist economy, and
liberty for all.
The socialist West, communist East, and communist Africa -- all in
cahoots to not tolerate a smidgen of capitalism and liberty succeeding
anywhere in the world -- pounced on Smith, forcing Mugabe and a brutal
communist regime onto the people, knowing that thousands of Rhodesians
would be slaughtered, but that was a fair price to pay to prevent
capitalism and liberty from taking hold.
Rhodesia was pushed over the cliff of racism and totalitarian rule
crashing onto the rocks below with huge loss of life, liberty and
property. It was like anywhere else where communism engulfed people: the
very people it claims to rush to the rescue for, are the very people it
kills first. It's like the gay-marriage hoax, the global climate-change
hoax, the GMO hoax, and other hoaxes that have so successfully paved the
way for communism.
The West's cuddly relationship with socialism's chickens are soaring
home to roost. Islam, the grand-daddy of all totalitarian regimes, is
walking into their homes, their parliaments and their churches against
which they are totally defenseless because Islam uses the exact same
language-keys they used to embrace socialism. To resist Islam requires a
mind-shift of epic proportions and an abandonment of all their idol-gods
that they believed were the source of their peace and righteousness
against capitalism and liberty.
How our cries of warning of the depravity of socialism, which fell on
defiant ears, now echo in horror in them when they see their daughters
consumed by legalized rape, torture and sex-slavery, their wives draped
in burkahs, beaten should they resist Shariah Law.
It would have been easy to yell at them "we told you so" if it were not
so brutally bloody and sad to people who grew up on the luring fruit of
socialism.
It would have been easy to refer them to the tragedy of Rhodesia and Ian
Smith in 1965 if it would serve any purpose. Communism, obeying its DNA,
will run its cause until it has had its fill on innocent blood, as it
has done over and over again in the previous century. Almost 100 years
ago the slaughter of innocents started for that century, just as it has
today for this century.
Will this also last 80 years costing more than 100 million innocent
lives of people who merely desired to be free and independent?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (UDI) remembering |
the struggle
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
Yes , I agree that Obama and his handlers want to destroy this country ! Aft
er his tenure , he will try and may succeed in becoming head of the UN ! He
and his bunch will do all they can to destroy this country . At first I tho
ught he was just a dummy . But when he said " we will fundamentally change t
his country " I thought he was talking about race relations . His goal to re
duce our " Foot Print around the World ' was his announcement that he would b
ring us down to our knees. . We are in deep trouble and this economy is Ver
y Fragile in my opinion . I have always been an optimistic person but facts/
actions from Obama and his bunch , plus the lack of patriotism that has dev
eloped in this country, makes me very negative about our future ! When you h
ave fifty one percent of the voting public elect some one like Obama , this c
ountry is ripe for "Take Over " by the leftist ! Very alarming . If you can'
t vote them out , their is only one other alternative ! Thanks Gil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 7:30 AM, wrote:
>
> Gil,
> I wrote back in 2003 about the developing trends and ten years later I pub
lished a book (Amazon: The Immensa Hypothesis) explaining how Obama would ca
use the United States to surrender its sovereignty with him, both houses of c
ongress and the Supreme Court justices in a parade to the surrendering cerem
ony The media would be hailing it as a huge victory for eternal peace, globa
l prosperity and the end of all wars. In fact, I wrote, the American people w
ould beg Obama to do this with him as emperor of the American continent. How
would this be done? As we have seen in Paris and soon the rest of Europe wi
th the U.S. following thereafter: large scale Islamic terror, then a war wit
h Russia staged in the Middle East which Obama as CIC will architect to lose
, and China in California. We tend to forget that China's aircraft carrier, t
he Liaoning, already lies in the Long Beach shipyard, that Clinton sold to t
he Chinese in the 1990s.
>
> The keys are the classification of Islam as "Radical" and others as "Moder
ate" to allow the moderate Muslims to freely enter the country under the ban
ner of religious freedom, which sets up the infra-structure (mosques, sponso
rs, money and jobs) to open the borders for the radicals. Once they managed
to embed into the people's psyche that radical is bad and moderate is good,
then Christians and Jews who hold to their Scriptures (don't lie, don't ste
al, don't kill) would also be classified as radicals and those who violate t
heir underlying doctrine for the sake of "peace" would be moderates. Once th
at's done, those Americans who hold to the Constitution would also be radica
ls and fundamentalists, both words are already epithets. Laws passed to curt
ail, detain, and prosecute terrorists would scoop up Christians, Jews, and c
onservative Americans as well.
>
> I am finalizing Part Two of the book explaining what we can do to stop thi
s and prevent it from ever happening again. The immediate essentials are to p
revent Obama from dragging the U.S. into war with Russia (and China) and pre
vent further debt, because that would be China's motive for aggression again
st the U.S. Once the dollar collapses China will sue for its money back ren
dering the 90 million+ Americans with guns and own discretion to protect the
mselves, but completely paralyzed.
>
> What France is going to do next will be crucial. Whether the socialist Hol
lande will engage in mere token retaliation is very likely. If the entire Eu
rope would not deport all Muslims, not only "radicals", the bomb would be ti
cking and set to go off before the November 2016 elections.
>
> We have demanded that conservatives reach across the aisle to Democrats, w
ho didn't meet us half-way but dragged our emissaries all the way over to th
eir side. We have no idea what we are about to face and who we can trust. By
design.
>
> Nico
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil Walker
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 5:12 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (U
DI) remembering the struggle
>
> Unfortunate that they only understand force ! Just as we are going to see i
n this country ! I Never thought I would see this country in the state it is
in today ! Never ! If we don't get a real president and congress this time w
e are in deep trouble ! We have already lost Common sense approach to most e
very aspect of our government .
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:28 PM, "Nick Martin" wrote:
>
> Gil,
> Pope Francis needs to read and study this ..Nick
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 6:42 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: [nicsysco.com] Rhodesian Independence 1965 (U
DI) remembering the struggle
>
> Great article . Thanks Gil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, "Nico hMail" wrote:
>
> Remembering 11th November 1965 when Ian Smith declared unilateral independ
ence for Rhodesia and introduced the golden years in that country's entire h
istory. It had a budget surplus, economic growth surpassing almost all the c
ountries of the world, low unemployment still not seen in the world, no raci
al segregation, a capitalist economy, and liberty for all.
>
> The socialist West, communist East, and communist Africa -- all in cahoots
to not tolerate a smidgen of capitalism and liberty succeeding anywhere in t
he world -- pounced on Smith, forcing Mugabe and a brutal communist regime o
nto the people, knowing that thousands of Rhodesians would be slaughtered, b
ut that was a fair price to pay to prevent capitalism and liberty from takin
g hold.
>
> Rhodesia was pushed over the cliff of racism and totalitarian rule crashin
g onto the rocks below with huge loss of life, liberty and property. It was l
ike anywhere else where communism engulfed people: the very people it claims
to rush to the rescue for, are the very people it kills first. It's like th
e gay-marriage hoax, the global climate-change hoax, the GMO hoax, and other
hoaxes that have so successfully paved the way for communism.
>
> The West's cuddly relationship with socialism's chickens are soaring home t
o roost. Islam, the grand-daddy of all totalitarian regimes, is walking into
their homes, their parliaments and their churches against which they are to
tally defenseless because Islam uses the exact same language-keys they used t
o embrace socialism. To resist Islam requires a mind-shift of epic proportio
ns and an abandonment of all their idol-gods that they believed were the sou
rce of their peace and righteousness against capitalism and liberty.
>
> How our cries of warning of the depravity of socialism, which fell on defi
ant ears, now echo in horror in them when they see their daughters consumed b
y legalized rape, torture and sex-slavery, their wives draped in burkahs, be
aten should they resist Shariah Law.
>
> It would have been easy to yell at them "we told you so" if it were not so
brutally bloody and sad to people who grew up on the luring fruit of social
ism.
>
> It would have been easy to refer them to the tragedy of Rhodesia and Ian S
mith in 1965 if it would serve any purpose. Communism, obeying its DNA, will
run its cause until it has had its fill on innocent blood, as it has done o
ver and over again in the previous century. Almost 100 years ago the slaught
er of innocents started for that century, just as it has today for this cent
ury.
>
> Will this also last 80 years costing more than 100 million innocent lives o
f people who merely desired to be free and independent?
>
>
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Fw: Third class medical reform FAQs - AOPA |
----- Original Message -----
From: Sal Sorce<mailto:cougar0303(at)aol.com>
frank(at)setgostudio.com ;
lloydsss11(at)msn.com ; Bob
Sprage
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 5:10 PM
Subject: Third class medical reform FAQs - AOPA
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2015 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
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| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Gil
> Date: December 24, 2015 at 5:39:37 AM
> Subject: MC
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nicoCSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Thank you, Gil.
A merry Christmas and a very prosperous 2016 for you all.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gil Walker
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 7:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: MC
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: Gil
Date: December 24, 2015 at 5:39:37 AM
Subject: MC
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello All,
Just a quick note to say that my Twin Commander database has now
reached the mini milestone of 100,000 records.
Hopefully, the majority of them are correct ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mini milestone |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
That's a huge leap in the last year or two Barry - congrats on achieving
a mega milestone!!
On Monday, January 11, 2016, Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
wrote:
> barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk >
>
> Hello All,
>
> Just a quick note to say that my Twin Commander database has now
> reached the mini milestone of 100,000 records.
> Hopefully, the majority of them are correct ;-)
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry Collman
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | suemetzger(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mini milestone |
WooHoo!! Way to go Barry.
-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2016 10:08 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mini milestone
That's a huge leap in the last year or two Barry - congrats on achieving a mega
milestone!!
On Monday, January 11, 2016, Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
Hello All,
Just a quick note to say that my Twin Commander database has now
reached the mini milestone of 100,000 records.
Hopefully, the majority of them are correct ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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| From: | "Ray Wolfe" <rkwolfe(at)aerocheck.com> |
That's awesome Barry. Represents a tremendous amount of work. The Twin
Commander world is fortunate to have you!
Ray
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 6:37 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Mini milestone
--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello All,
Just a quick note to say that my Twin Commander database has now reached the
mini milestone of 100,000 records.
Hopefully, the majority of them are correct ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mini milestone |
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
Amazingly great Job ! Gil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 11, 2016, at 4:28 PM, "Ray Wolfe" wrote:
>
>
> That's awesome Barry. Represents a tremendous amount of work. The Twin
> Commander world is fortunate to have you!
>
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
> Collman
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 6:37 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Mini milestone
>
> --> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Just a quick note to say that my Twin Commander database has now reached the
> mini milestone of 100,000 records.
> Hopefully, the majority of them are correct ;-)
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry Collman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mini milestone |
| From: | Gil Walker <wingflyer1(at)aol.com> |
Barry this may be a World Record !
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:37 AM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Just a quick note to say that my Twin Commander database has now
> reached the mini milestone of 100,000 records.
> Hopefully, the majority of them are correct ;-)
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry Collman
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mini milestone |
| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Barry,=0AThat is one heck of a database, more power to your arm.=0ACheer
s,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: commander-l
ist(at)matronics.com=0ATo:=0ACc:=0ASent:Mon,
an@air-britain.co.uk>=0A=0A Hello All,=0A=0A Just a quick note to say th
at my Twin Commander database has now=0A reached the mini milestone of 1
00,000 records.=0A Hopefully, the majority of them are correct ;-)=0A=0A
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| From: | "nicoCSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Very nice, Barry.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 6:37 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Mini milestone
--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello All,
Just a quick note to say that my Twin Commander database has now reached the
mini milestone of 100,000 records.
Hopefully, the majority of them are correct ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mini milestone |
| From: | "commanderpic" <commanderpic(at)gmail.com> |
Barry what records do you have for N680RR >> And do you know why it is showing
on the FAA site as a 680F and not 680FP??? Seems several of the "FP's" are showing
as "F" only... May be you can cast some light on the issue...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451952#451952
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "commanderpic" <commanderpic(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Barry what records do you have for N680RR >> And do you know why it is showing
on the FAA site as a 680F and not 680FP??? Seems several of the "FP's" are showing
as "F" only... May be you can cast some light on the issue...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451970#451970
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello "commanderpic"!
Would be nice to know your 'proper' name!
You're right and there are a number of 680F(P) models that are listed
as 680F.
Sometimes, the FAA aren't too good at getting the Models correct, but
then admittedly they can only work with the documentation received.
However, in the case of the 680F vs 680F(P), it is more easily
understood.
The 680F(P) serial numbers are actually as a Model 680F.
The pressurization package [hence the "(P)"] was an optional item for
the 680F and they both share the same s/n sequence.
See http://twincommander.org/aircraft-models/speedline/model-680fp/
for further info.
Regards,
Barry Collman
--------------------------------------------------
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
commanderpic
Sent: 14 January 2016 13:24
Subject: Commander-List: N680rr info
Barry what records do you have for N680RR >> And do you know why it is
showing on the FAA site as a 680F and not 680FP??? Seems several of
the "FP's" are showing as "F" only... May be you can cast some light
on the issue...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451970#451970
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
We just completed a major upgrade to Airport Courtesy Cars App, which now makes the app available on ALL devices, including the web. Please upgrade your app to the latest version. If your phone does not support the app, then go to our new website, www.airportcourtesycars.com The site is mobile friendly and you can place its icon to your phone or tablet screen. Both versions show Google maps for each state, the app version still shows the entire US map which some people prefer. The site currently lists over 1560 cars. Thanks for your input and contact us with any questions, new listings, or corrections to airportcars101(at)gmail.com And please check out our advertisers and FBOs who offer you fuel discounts. The app remains free.
--------
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RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453854#453854
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Web Server Back Online |
Dear Listers,
The Matronics Web server lost a critical system hard drive yesterday 4/18/2016.
I have been working feverishly for the last 24 hours to repair the system and
get the Matronics Forums and other web-based resources back online.
Email services were not impacted in anyway.
back online and all resources were successfully restored from a backup.
My apologies for the down time.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email and Forum Admin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
| Subject: | FW: Landing in New Zealand |
LANDING IN NEW ZEALAND..
Known as the land of the long white cloud, if you fly into New Zealand you
could well encounter this scenario. Hold on to your seat. This is specta
cular. One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have a live video feed
from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in order to amuse and bed
azzle their weary travellers. Most of the new Generation Aircraft , in the
last 10 yrs or so Do have Cameras, connected to feed Cabin, for PTVs ( Per
sonal TVs on Seats )or the cabin Supervisor does put it on the Main screens
during Takeoff and Landings ! ! Its been there for some Time ! This is the
descent into Queenstown, New Zealand . Notice the mountain range he is fl
ying toward. It must take great faith in your instruments to pilot an appro
ach like this but the rush must be amazing.
Cockpit view landing through thick cloud<http://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilo
tnewzdalnd1>
(Please open to Full Screen)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand |
| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Folks,=0AThis is an example of the capability of modern GPS based naviga
tion=0Asystems.=0AThe aircraft (for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must b
e certified to=0ARequired Navigational Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning tr
ack keeping to=0A+/- 0.1 NM., plus the necessary precision vertical guid
ance, to=0Aaccuracy close to a G/S.=0AQantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zea
land separately developed their=0Aproprietary procedures and crew traini
ng necessary for their=0Aoperations, and it had been hugely beneficial b
oth for arrival and=0Adeparture reliability, for departure it has also e
nabled a B737-800 to=0Alift a considerably greater payload, making Queen
stown direct to a=0Agreater range of Australian destinations possible.
=0AQueenstown is the main entry point to the NZ ski-fields.=0AThe whole
of the south island of NZ has some truly=C2- spectacular=0Aflying, bu
t if you go there, get well briefed by the locals, there are=0Aalways so
me equally spectacular turbulence and mountain waves.=0AComing from Wana
ka to Wellington on one occasion, with a good friend=0Aof mine who has s
pent his flying life in these mountains, in the 500A,=0Awe sat in the up
side of a rotor for over an hour, FL 130, cruising=0A"top of the green",
with only a trickle of power on to keep the CHT up=0A--- great way to k
eep the NAMP down --- particularly at NZ avgas=0Aprices.=0ACommonly comi
ng over the hills into Christchurch (B747-400) I have=0Afound myself wit
h approach flap, gear down, engines at idle, and=0Aclimbing 2000 fpm.=0A
In the B767, there were days when I would overfly NZCH and descend=0Aove
r the sea, such was the turbulence in the lee-waves.=0ATheir are=C2- n
umber of airfields in China=C2- where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet,=0Afor one) ha
s made the previously impossible, possible. Have a look on=0AYouTube.=0A
Cheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom:=0A com
mander-list(at)matronics.com=0A=0ATo:=0A"commander-list(at)matronics.com" =0ACc:=0A=0ASent:=0AWed, 20 Apr 2016 14:16:53
=C2- =0A=0ALANDING IN NEW ZEALAND..=0A=0A=C2
-=0A=0A=C2-=0AKnown as the land of the long white cloud, if you f
ly into New Zealand=0Ayou could well encounter this scenario.=C2- Hold
on to your seat.=C2- This=0Ais spectacular.=C2- One wonders why the
airline industry doesn't have a=0Alive video feed from the aircraft's n
ose streamed into the cabin in=0Aorder to amuse and bedazzle their weary
travellers.=C2-MOST OF THE NEW=0AGENERATION AIRCRAFT , IN THE LAST 10
YRS OR SO DO HAVE CAMERAS,=0ACONNECTED TO FEED=C2- CABIN, FOR PTVS (
PERSONAL TVS ON SEATS )OR THE=0ACABIN SUPERVISOR DOES PUT IT ON THE MAI
N SCREENS DURING TAKEOFF AND=0ALANDINGS ! ! ITS BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME
!=C2-This is the descent into=0AQueenstown,=C2-=0ANew Zealand .=C2
- Notice the mountain range he is flying toward.=0A=C2-=0AIt must ta
ke great faith in your instruments to pilot an approach like=0Athis but
the rush must be amazing.=0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=0A=0ACOCKPIT VI
EW=C2-LANDING THROUGH THICK CLOUD [1]=0A=C2-=0A=0A =C2-=0A=0A
=C2-=0A=0A=C2-=0A(Please open to Full Screen)=0A=0A=C2-
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--------=0AEmail sent using Optus Webmail=0A=0ALinks:=0A------=0A[1] htt
p://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilotnewzdalnd1=0A
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand |
Bill, you=99ve done the kind of flying I NEVER aspire to do :-).
I=99m plenty happy swimming around in the shallows of the
mini-mountain-waves of the Sierra Nevada mountains here in California,
and getting my 1-3 hours of actual IMC time each year
That being said, there was more than one occasion when I was a young
500B owner that I might have ended up in a bad spot were it not for the
tutelage of Morris.
Cheers,
/J
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 3:30 PM, William J Hamilton
wrote:
>
> Folks,
> This is an example of the capability of modern GPS based navigation
systems.
> The aircraft (for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must be certified to
Required Navigational Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning track keeping to
+/- 0.1 NM., plus the necessary precision vertical guidance, to accuracy
close to a G/S.
> Qantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zealand separately developed their
proprietary procedures and crew training necessary for their operations,
and it had been hugely beneficial both for arrival and departure
reliability, for departure it has also enabled a B737-800 to lift a
considerably greater payload, making Queenstown direct to a greater
range of Australian destinations possible.
> Queenstown is the main entry point to the NZ ski-fields.
> The whole of the south island of NZ has some truly spectacular
flying, but if you go there, get well briefed by the locals, there are
always some equally spectacular turbulence and mountain waves.
> Coming from Wanaka to Wellington on one occasion, with a good friend
of mine who has spent his flying life in these mountains, in the 500A,
we sat in the upside of a rotor for over an hour, FL 130, cruising "top
of the green", with only a trickle of power on to keep the CHT up ---
great way to keep the NAMP down --- particularly at NZ avgas prices.
> Commonly coming over the hills into Christchurch (B747-400) I have
found myself with approach flap, gear down, engines at idle, and
climbing 2000 fpm.
> In the B767, there were days when I would overfly NZCH and descend
over the sea, such was the turbulence in the lee-waves.
> Their are number of airfields in China where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet, for
one) has made the previously impossible, possible. Have a look on
YouTube.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> To:
> "commander-list(at)matronics.com"
> Cc:
>
> Sent:
> Subject:
> Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand
>
>
>
>
> LANDING IN NEW ZEALAND..
>
>
>
>
> Known as the land of the long white cloud, if you fly into New
Zealand you could well encounter this scenario. Hold on to your seat.
This is spectacular. One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have
a live video feed from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in
order to amuse and bedazzle their weary travellers. Most of the new
Generation Aircraft , in the last 10 yrs or so Do have Cameras,
connected to feed Cabin, for PTVs ( Personal TVs on Seats )or the cabin
Supervisor does put it on the Main screens during Takeoff and Landings !
! Its been there for some Time ! This is the descent into Queenstown,
New Zealand . Notice the mountain range he is flying toward. It must
take great faith in your instruments to pilot an approach like this but
the rush must be amazing.
>
>
> Cockpit view=C2-landing through thick cloud
<http://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilotnewzdalnd1>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (Please open to Full Screen)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Email sent using Optus Webmail
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand |
| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
John=0AOver the years, I have had "some interesting experiences" over th
e=0ASierra Nevadas, but only at high level, I am glad my first experienc
es=0Aof same were with more senior colleagues, to whom it came as no=0As
urprise -- all in a day's work.=0AIt is quite startling how far east of
Denver the lee-waves from the=0Afront range can extend, it's a matter o
f "strap in and hang on".=0ASame thing happens over the Andes --- or alm
ost anywhere the mountains=0Aare around 90 degrees to the prevailing win
ds.=0ACheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom:
=0A commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A=0ATo:=0A wrote:=0A=0AFolks,=0AThis is an example of t
he capability of modern GPS based navigation=0Asystems.=0AThe aircraft (
for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must be certified to=0ARequired Naviga
tional Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning track keeping to=0A+/- 0.1 NM., pl
us the necessary precision vertical guidance, to=0Aaccuracy close to a G
/S.=0AQantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zealand separately developed their
=0Aproprietary procedures and crew training necessary for their=0Aoperat
ions, and it had been hugely beneficial both for arrival and=0Adeparture
reliability, for departure it has also enabled a B737-800 to=0Alift a c
onsiderably greater payload, making Queenstown direct to a=0Agreater ran
ge of Australian destinations possible.=0AQueenstown is the main entry p
oint to the NZ ski-fields.=0AThe whole of the south island of NZ has som
e truly=C2- spectacular=0Aflying, but if you go there, get well briefe
d by the locals, there are=0Aalways some equally spectacular turbulence
and mountain waves.=0AComing from Wanaka to Wellington on one occasion,
with a good friend=0Aof mine who has spent his flying life in these mou
ntains, in the 500A,=0Awe sat in the upside of a rotor for over an hour,
FL 130, cruising=0A"top of the green", with only a trickle of power on
to keep the CHT up=0A--- great way to keep the NAMP down --- particular
ly at NZ avgas=0Aprices.=0ACommonly coming over the hills into Christchu
rch (B747-400) I have=0Afound myself with approach flap, gear down, engi
nes at idle, and=0Aclimbing 2000 fpm.=0AIn the B767, there were days whe
n I would overfly NZCH and descend=0Aover the sea, such was the turbulen
ce in the lee-waves.=0ATheir are=C2- number of airfields in China=C2
- where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet,=0Afor one) has made the previously impossib
le, possible. Have a look on=0AYouTube.=0ACheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A-
---- Original Message -----=0AFrom:=0A commander-list(at)matronics.com [2]
=0A=0ATo:=0A"commander-list(at)matronics.com [3]" http://www.chonday.com/Videos
/pilotnewzdalnd1=0A
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand |
| From: | Kerry Johnson <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
That's an awesome video and the music it perfect!
Reminds me of a flight I made in my B60 Duke back in 94-95 from Lake Tahoe
to Monterey. It was severe clear until we got to Monterey where the marine
layer had the field right at minimums, we broke out at 250' AGL right on
centerline.. It's one of those memories I will always have...
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 9:12 PM, William J Hamilton <
wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> John
> Over the years, I have had "some interesting experiences" over the Sierra
> Nevadas, but only at high level, I am glad my first experiences of same
> were with more senior colleagues, to whom it came as no surprise -- all i
n
> a day's work.
> It is quite startling how far east of Denver the lee-waves from the front
> range can extend, it's a matter of "strap in and hang on".
> Same thing happens over the Andes --- or almost anywhere the mountains ar
e
> around 90 degrees to the prevailing winds.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> To:
>
> Cc:
>
> Sent:
> Subject:
> Re: Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand
>
>
> Bill, you=99ve done the kind of flying I NEVER aspire to do :-). I
=99m plenty
> happy swimming around in the shallows of the mini-mountain-waves of the
> Sierra Nevada mountains here in California, and getting my 1-3 hours of
> actual IMC time each year
>
> That being said, there was more than one occasion when I was a young 500B
> owner that I might have ended up in a bad spot were it not for the tutela
ge
> of Morris.
>
> Cheers,
>
> /J
>
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 3:30 PM, William J Hamilton <
> wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Folks,
> This is an example of the capability of modern GPS based navigation
> systems.
> The aircraft (for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must be certified to
> Required Navigational Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning track keeping to +/-
> 0.1 NM., plus the necessary precision vertical guidance, to accuracy clos
e
> to a G/S.
> Qantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zealand separately developed their
> proprietary procedures and crew training necessary for their operations,
> and it had been hugely beneficial both for arrival and departure
> reliability, for departure it has also enabled a B737-800 to lift a
> considerably greater payload, making Queenstown direct to a greater range
> of Australian destinations possible.
> Queenstown is the main entry point to the NZ ski-fields.
> The whole of the south island of NZ has some truly spectacular flying,
> but if you go there, get well briefed by the locals, there are always som
e
> equally spectacular turbulence and mountain waves.
> Coming from Wanaka to Wellington on one occasion, with a good friend of
> mine who has spent his flying life in these mountains, in the 500A, we sa
t
> in the upside of a rotor for over an hour, FL 130, cruising "top of the
> green", with only a trickle of power on to keep the CHT up --- great way
to
> keep the NAMP down --- particularly at NZ avgas prices.
> Commonly coming over the hills into Christchurch (B747-400) I have found
> myself with approach flap, gear down, engines at idle, and climbing 2000
> fpm.
> In the B767, there were days when I would overfly NZCH and descend over
> the sea, such was the turbulence in the lee-waves.
> Their are number of airfields in China where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet, for one
)
> has made the previously impossible, possible. Have a look on YouTube.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> To:
> "commander-list(at)matronics.com"
> Cc:
>
> Sent:
> Subject:
> Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand
>
>
> LANDING IN NEW ZEALAND..
>
>
> Known as the land of the long white cloud, if you fly into New Zealand
> you could well encounter this scenario. Hold on to your seat. This is
> spectacular. One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have a live
> video feed from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in order to
> amuse and bedazzle their weary travellers. *Most of the new Generation
> Aircraft , in the last 10 yrs or so Do have Cameras, connected to feed
> Cabin, for PTVs ( Personal TVs on Seats )or the cabin Supervisor does put
> it on the Main screens during Takeoff and Landings ! ! Its been there for
> some Time ! *This is the descent into Queenstown, New Zealand . Notice
> the mountain range he is flying toward. It must take great faith in your
> instruments to pilot an approach like this but the rush must be amazing.
>
>
> *Cockpit view **l**anding through thick cloud*
> <http://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilotnewzdalnd1>
>
>
> (Please open to Full Screen)
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Email sent using Optus Webmail
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FW: Landing in New Zealand |
| From: | Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
In Whistler British Columbia when I was flying helicopter medevac we had to
fly below the mountain tops at night from Vancouver to Whistler.
We used 3 GPS for assurance we were in the middle of the valley.
Tom
former 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
ATP helicopter
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 3:42 PM, John Vormbaum wrote:
> Bill, you=99ve done the kind of flying I NEVER aspire to do :-). I
=99m plenty
> happy swimming around in the shallows of the mini-mountain-waves of the
> Sierra Nevada mountains here in California, and getting my 1-3 hours of
> actual IMC time each year
>
> That being said, there was more than one occasion when I was a young 500B
> owner that I might have ended up in a bad spot were it not for the tutela
ge
> of Morris.
>
> Cheers,
>
> /J
>
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 3:30 PM, William J Hamilton <
> wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Folks,
> This is an example of the capability of modern GPS based navigation
> systems.
> The aircraft (for NZ CAA approval to be gained) must be certified to
> Required Navigational Performance (RNP) 0.1, meaning track keeping to +/-
> 0.1 NM., plus the necessary precision vertical guidance, to accuracy clos
e
> to a G/S.
> Qantas Airways Ltd and Air New Zealand separately developed their
> proprietary procedures and crew training necessary for their operations,
> and it had been hugely beneficial both for arrival and departure
> reliability, for departure it has also enabled a B737-800 to lift a
> considerably greater payload, making Queenstown direct to a greater range
> of Australian destinations possible.
> Queenstown is the main entry point to the NZ ski-fields.
> The whole of the south island of NZ has some truly spectacular flying,
> but if you go there, get well briefed by the locals, there are always som
e
> equally spectacular turbulence and mountain waves.
> Coming from Wanaka to Wellington on one occasion, with a good friend of
> mine who has spent his flying life in these mountains, in the 500A, we sa
t
> in the upside of a rotor for over an hour, FL 130, cruising "top of the
> green", with only a trickle of power on to keep the CHT up --- great way
to
> keep the NAMP down --- particularly at NZ avgas prices.
> Commonly coming over the hills into Christchurch (B747-400) I have found
> myself with approach flap, gear down, engines at idle, and climbing 2000
> fpm.
> In the B767, there were days when I would overfly NZCH and descend over
> the sea, such was the turbulence in the lee-waves.
> Their are number of airfields in China where RNP (Lhasa, Tibet, for one
)
> has made the previously impossible, possible. Have a look on YouTube.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> To:
> "commander-list(at)matronics.com"
> Cc:
>
> Sent:
> Subject:
> Commander-List: FW: Landing in New Zealand
>
>
> LANDING IN NEW ZEALAND..
>
>
> Known as the land of the long white cloud, if you fly into New Zealand
> you could well encounter this scenario. Hold on to your seat. This is
> spectacular. One wonders why the airline industry doesn't have a live
> video feed from the aircraft's nose streamed into the cabin in order to
> amuse and bedazzle their weary travellers. *Most of the new Generation
> Aircraft , in the last 10 yrs or so Do have Cameras, connected to feed
> Cabin, for PTVs ( Personal TVs on Seats )or the cabin Supervisor does put
> it on the Main screens during Takeoff and Landings ! ! Its been there for
> some Time ! *This is the descent into Queenstown, New Zealand . Notice
> the mountain range he is flying toward. It must take great faith in your
> instruments to pilot an approach like this but the rush must be amazing.
>
>
> *Cockpit view **l**anding through thick cloud*
> <http://www.chonday.com/Videos/pilotnewzdalnd1>
>
>
> (Please open to Full Screen)
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Email sent using Optus Webmail
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cdhpilot18" <Cdhpilot18(at)aol.com> |
I know it's a long shot, but are these propellers still available? I recently purchased
a 1954 560 commander n2657b serial number 157 and its been grounded since
2000 due to the propeller AD. I appreciate any info on finding propellers
for this old commander. Thanks!
Coby Hughes 918-645-7363
Cdhpilot18(at)aol.com
--------
Coby Hughes
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456096#456096
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| Subject: | Twin Commander Flight Group Flyin - 2016 |
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Hello Folk,
Some of you will be aware that every year since 2001 a bunch of private &
corporate owner (piston & turbine) Twin Commander enthusiasts have got
together for a weekend of seminars and social events. In the past few years
a little more emphasis on social events has been the norm.
Labelled as the 'Twin Commander Flight Group Flyin' this annual event has
travelled around the USA and in 2016 it was decided that the venue be The
Hangar Hotel, Fredericksburg Texas - this is indeed a great venue - sadly
the venue policy does not cater for minors, so please do not plan to bring
children!
Dates are: Thursday 22 September (arrival day) through Sunday 25 September
(departure day).
A tentative booking for 15 rooms has been made - contact Shylo Adams,
Marketing and Events Manager (shylo(at)hangarhotel.com) 844-596-2300 to make
your reservation.
Rooms will be held until 1 September 2016 at discount rates: Weekday $119
per night; Friday/Saturday $169 per night.
At the very least, it is such a special occasion to be able to visit with
folk who own/maintain and are passionate about Twin Commanders ranging from
bathtubs through to turbines. Core attendees include Mr Barry Collman -
Aero Commander Historian, Mr Morris Kernick - Principal Commander Services,
Mr Howard Windham - Twin Commander Hydraulics Guru and a great bunch of
local and international pilots/owners/maintainers and more.
Most folk tend to arrive on the Thursday or Friday morning and depart on
the Sunday. Some years the event has attracted a handful of aeroplanes,
while in other years the event has attracted 20 Twin Commanders or more.
Highlights include the Saturday night dinner - with its signature auction
to raise funds for a noteworthy cause; such as the ongoing restoration of
the original Aero Commander prototype at Oklahoma City.
*This invitation has also been posted on the new www.twincommandergroup.com
<http://www.twincommandergroup.com/> website.*
Watch this space for more details over the coming months...
Cheers
Russell
Russell Legg
Oz Member
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Airport Courtesy Cars App/Website Update |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
ACC's app is still free in the app stores, and on the web. Currently over 11,000 active pilots are using it, and several businesses and FBO' offer fuel and other product discounts. I recently added a Facebook page which will include updates and events. If you are on Facebook please take a look and like it at www.facebook.com/airportcourtesycars Thanks!
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=460151#460151
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| Subject: | Pilot Operating Handbook |
| From: | Nick Martin <nick(at)container.com> |
Commander operators :
Has anyone out there put the POH on iPad format ? If so can it replace the existing
printed POH in the aircraft and is a copy available for others ?
Nick N674NM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Fw: Pilot Deviation Information |
FOR PILOTS< NEW " HILARY" RULES. If you say it wasn't imtentional then
all is forgiven.This is real.Read the attachments.
----- Original Message -----
From: lunaneon5<mailto:lunaneon5(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 6:54 PM
Subject: Fwd: Pilot Deviation Information
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------
From: Mitchell.Stewart(at)faa.gov<mailto:Mitchell.Stewart(at)faa.gov>
Date:09/19/2016 2:46 PM (GMT-05:00)
Cc:
Subject: Pilot Deviation Information
Mr. Luna,
Effective September 2015, the FAA implemented, =9CCompliance
Philosophy=9D, FAA Order 8000.373, permitting the Agency and
Airman to resolve matters, without negative annotations into
Airman=99s flying records. Qualifying Factors-(=9CDeviation
not a result of intentional, reckless, or criminal behavior=9D)
FAA Inspectors, are working toward final processing, of your PD.
Attached are PBR Brochure, Pilot/Owner Information (complete highlighted
areas) and Remedial Training Offer (RT) letter. Please do not be alarmed
by paragraph =9CB=9D elements. As per our discussion,
close-out of your Pilot Deviation will only consist of brief
=9Conline training=9D. This will not involve any financial
element. Please sign and return.
Best regards,
Mitchell E. Stewart
Federal Aviation Administration
Aviation Safety Inspector-Airworthiness
South Florida CMO-29
Com: 916-422-0272 Ext 260
Fax: 916-422-0462
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Fw: Pilot Deviation Information |
Folks,
I have read the whole FAA policy doc. on the subject, what a contrast to
CASA in Australia, where the basic policy is =9Call pilots and
engineers are just criminals who haven=99t been caught
yet=9D.
In a country where the safety outcomes are world leading, this FAA
policy has the potential to further improve an already good record.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd
silverman
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:05 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Pilot Deviation Information
FOR PILOTS< NEW " HILARY" RULES. If you say it wasn't imtentional then
all is forgiven.This is real.Read the attachments.
----- Original Message -----
From: lunaneon5 <mailto:lunaneon5(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 6:54 PM
Subject: Fwd: Pilot Deviation Information
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------
From: Mitchell.Stewart(at)faa.gov
Date:09/19/2016 2:46 PM (GMT-05:00)
Cc:
Subject: Pilot Deviation Information
Mr. Luna,
Effective September 2015, the FAA implemented, =9CCompliance
Philosophy=9D, FAA Order 8000.373, permitting the Agency and
Airman to resolve matters, without negative annotations into
Airman=99s flying records. Qualifying Factors-(=9CDeviation
not a result of intentional, reckless, or criminal behavior=9D)
FAA Inspectors, are working toward final processing, of your PD.
Attached are PBR Brochure, Pilot/Owner Information (complete highlighted
areas) and Remedial Training Offer (RT) letter. Please do not be alarmed
by paragraph =9CB=9D elements. As per our discussion,
close-out of your Pilot Deviation will only consist of brief
=9Conline training=9D. This will not involve any financial
element. Please sign and return.
Best regards,
Mitchell E. Stewart
Federal Aviation Administration
Aviation Safety Inspector-Airworthiness
South Florida CMO-29
Com: 916-422-0272 Ext 260
Fax: 916-422-0462
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Donald Falik <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Important documents |
Hi,
Donald Falik has invited you to a Google Doc shared folder called ''Important Documents"
View folder
Enjoy!
Donald Falik
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The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from
advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wanting to tap
into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted here, but have
always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet these days, a user
is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for crap that they don't
want. Yahoo, Google and that ilk are not "free". The user must constantly
endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into their face at an ever increasing
rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at Matronics choose not to succumb
to that.
That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a lot
of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, air conditioning,
maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc. I choose to hold a PBS-like fund raiser
each year during the month of November where I simply send out a short email
every other day asking the members to make a small contribution to support the
operation. That being said, that contribution is completely voluntary and non-compulsory.
Many members choose not to contribute and that's fine.
However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a contribution
and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists running. And that's
it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant way of maintaining the
Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year, you don't see a single advertisement
or request for support. That's refreshing and that is a List and Forum
that I want to belong to. I think other people feel the same way.
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are covered solely
through your Contributions during this time of the year.
*Your* personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running for another
great year!
Use a credit card or your PayPal account here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by sending a personal check to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's Your Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some point, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest
performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for the over 23 years of on-line
archive data always available for instant search and access. And, it offsets
the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications
that power these List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums,
and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables all these aspects of Matronics List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of
the best investments you can make in your Sport!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A |
Contribution Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during
this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through
YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been
putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it!
The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose
from this year. I personally want at least three of them! There's probably
something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your
Lists!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser. Let's make this a "Black Friday" for the Lists!
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying
Contribution too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Behind By 28% - Please Contribute Today! |
Dear Listers,
The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists this year
is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly 28%. Please take this
opportunity to show your support for the Matronics Lists and Forums!
Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that keep these Lists
and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members
don't want to support the Lists directly, then I might have to add advertisements
to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I don't want to have to do
that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot
of the members appreciate that too.
Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free
operation of all these Lists:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already
made their generous Contribution to support the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forums Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind... |
Dear Listers,
There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. We are still
way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions and
total contribution amount. I really want to keep providing these services to the
homebuilt community, but it take resources. Since there's no
advertising budget or deep pockets to keep the operation a float, its solely your
generosity during the Fund Raiser that keeps things going. Please
make a Contribution today.
If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time
to do it!
Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution
web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a check in the mail:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again
- 53! :-) But it also means that it's that last official day of the Matronics
Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about picking up one of those
really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on it!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Airport Courtesy Cars App Closing? |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
IMPORTANT! If you are a user of the app version of Airport Courtesy Cars, please
view it for an important message about the possible closure of the app, or view
the page here:
https://www.airportcourtesycars.com/app-status.html
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463922#463922
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Airport Courtesy Cars App Closing? |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)GMAIL.COM> |
I am happy to report that thanks to donations, the site continues. View the donors or add your name by clicking here: https://www.airportcourtesycars.com/thank-you-donors-.html Thanks, Glenn
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464095#464095
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hello Commander Fans,
Want to share a recent experience regarding flap gap seals. My 680F has
flap gap seals top and bottom. On a recent flight, the right top inboard
flap gap seal came loose, flew back and impacted the right horizontal
stabilizer. The impact caused a 2" diameter gouge in the leading edge of
the stabilizer along with other dents and scrapes. I was not aware of the
damage until noticing the gouge while re-fueling the airplane. I was able
to acquire a new replacement leading edge from Nick at AeroAir (Hillsboro,
OR 503 640 3711). Gary Gadberry (Aircenter, Chattanooga, TN 423 893 5444)
was able to provide a replacement flap gap seal. Turns out that the rivets
failed on the flap gap seal and the seal just peeled away. If you have flap
gap seals on your Commander, I encourage you to inspect the condition of
the rivets regularly. We replaced several rivets on the other flap gap
seals on the plane. Airplane was grounded for about 3 weeks for acquisition
of parts and replacement. Happy and safe flying.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
<http://www.dskarch.com/health_dsk_dettmer.htm>
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
t: 805 541 4864
rcdettmer(at)dettmerarchitecture.com
<http://www.dskarch.com/contact.htm> San Francisco I
<http://www.dskarch.com/contact.htm> Los Angeles I
<http://www.dskarch.com/contact.htm> San Luis Obispo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nick Martin (Nick(at)container.com)" <Nick(at)container.com> |
Randy,
Thank you for the info . Nick Martin N674NM
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:09 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Flap Gap Seals
Hello Commander Fans,
Want to share a recent experience regarding flap gap seals. My 680F has fl
ap gap seals top and bottom. On a recent flight, the right top inboard fla
p gap seal came loose, flew back and impacted the right horizontal stabiliz
er. The impact caused a 2" diameter gouge in the leading edge of the stabi
lizer along with other dents and scrapes. I was not aware of the damage un
til noticing the gouge while re-fueling the airplane. I was able to acquir
e a new replacement leading edge from Nick at AeroAir (Hillsboro, OR 503 6
40 3711). Gary Gadberry (Aircenter, Chattanooga, TN 423 893 5444) was abl
e to provide a replacement flap gap seal. Turns out that the rivets failed
on the flap gap seal and the seal just peeled away. If you have flap gap
seals on your Commander, I encourage you to inspect the condition of the r
ivets regularly. We replaced several rivets on the other flap gap seals on
the plane. Airplane was grounded for about 3 weeks for acquisition of par
ts and replacement. Happy and safe flying.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
[cid:image001.jpg@01D25B7C.9178EFA0]<http://www.dskarch.com/health_dsk_dett
mer.htm>
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
t: 805 541 4864
rcdettmer(at)dettmerarchitecture.com
San Francisco<http://www.dskarch.com/contact.htm> I Los Angeles I San Luis Obispo<http://www.dskarch.com/contact.h
tm>
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| From: | CloudCraft <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nicoCSS" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Merry Christmas and a very prosperous 2017 to all Commander nuts.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flap Gap Seals
Randy,
Sorry to hear about the flap gap seal debacle, yet at the same time glad
to hear you're still flying N6253X.
Merry Christmas to you and all in Commander Land,
Keith S Gordon
Sent on the fly =F0=9F=8C=90
-------- Original message --------
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net
>
Date: 12/21/16 11:09 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Commander-List: Flap Gap Seals
Hello Commander Fans,
Want to share a recent experience regarding flap gap seals. My 680F has
flap gap seals top and bottom. On a recent flight, the right top
inboard flap gap seal came loose, flew back and impacted the right
horizontal stabilizer. The impact caused a 2=9D diameter gouge in
the leading edge of the stabilizer along with other dents and scrapes.
I was not aware of the damage until noticing the gouge while re-fueling
the airplane. I was able to acquire a new replacement leading edge from
Nick at AeroAir (Hillsboro, OR 503 640 3711). Gary Gadberry
(Aircenter, Chattanooga, TN 423 893 5444) was able to provide a
replacement flap gap seal. Turns out that the rivets failed on the flap
gap seal and the seal just peeled away. If you have flap gap seals on
your Commander, I encourage you to inspect the condition of the rivets
regularly. We replaced several rivets on the other flap gap seals on
the plane. Airplane was grounded for about 3 weeks for acquisition of
parts and replacement. Happy and safe flying.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
<http://www.dskarch.com/health_dsk_dettmer.htm>
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
t: 805 541 4864
rcdettmer(at)dettmerarchitecture.com
<http://www.dskarch.com/contact.htm> San Francisco I
<http://www.dskarch.com/contact.htm> Los Angeles I
<http://www.dskarch.com/contact.htm> San Luis Obispo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2016 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2016 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and it's time that I published this year's List of Contributors.
It is the people on this list that directly make these Email Lists and Forums
possible! Their generous
Contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running!
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I also want to thank Andy, Bob, George, and Jon for their generous support through
the supply of many great gifts this year!! These guys have some excellent
products and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites:
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com
George Race - Race Consulting - http://www.mrrace.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2016 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2016.html
Thank you again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Airport Cafe's Now Listed in ACC's |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
I have just added over 50 airport cafs (and still growing) to current listings
in the Airport Courtesy Cars website and app (just in case your courtesy car isnt
available when you arrive!) These listings are highlighted in red so you can
easily find them. If you have any additions or corrections, please email them
directly to me at airportcars101(at)gmail.com. Thanks and Happy New Year! Glenn
PS, Submit your ramp fee's experience also for inclusion in the website/app!
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464518#464518
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| From: | Donnie <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Great 500B twin Aerocommander for sale,
Call Donnie at 205-492-8444
Sent from my iPad
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| From: | "nico" <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
Donnie, you can upload your photographs and specs onto our Commander
facebook page for free (link below). We have commander enthusiasts in many
countries that are regularly visiting the site. I am sure that the folks
over at twincommander.com would also help.
Let me know if you need help.
Thanks
Nico
https://www.facebook.com/COMMANDERFLIGHT/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 7:50 AM
Subject: [yahoo.com] Commander-List: Sale
Great 500B twin Aerocommander for sale,
Call Donnie at 205-492-8444
Sent from my iPad
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| From: | lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/20/17 |
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| From: | joel carter <joel.carter131(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/20/17 |
Message unreadable. Cant you print the messages in plain English?
Joel Carter
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Wanted to get the word out for anyone that is still on this forum.
Here are the final details of the 2017 fly in. Please call the number listed here
to make your hotel reservations ASAP to insure you get the group rate.
Flyin Date: 9/22/2017 - 9/24/2017 . Some of us will be going up on Thursday the
21st but the official dates are Friday through Sunday
Hotel: The Elms and here is link to their website: http://www.elmshotelandspa.com/
Hotel Reservation Number: 816-630-5500 and mention Twin Commander Flyin to get
the group rate of $179/night. Rooms are limited so don't wait.
Car Rental is Hertz: 816-407-9948 and they'll leave the car at the airport.
The official Fly In site will be KGPH Midwest National Air Center in Mosby Missouri.
We will be hosted by Central Air who own and operate Twin Commanders so
should be really cool.
There are no landing fees or anything so should be pretty easy trip for everyone.
FBO at airport: 816-407-3390
We're still making arrangements for the food as we're trying to get a reasonable
head count to know what we need to do. To keep things simple we may just take
up a collection at the event to cover the extras instead of having to pay upfront.
I'll post more details on this entry as I get them.
Please make your reservations now and let us know who's coming so we can tally
up the count. Look forward to seeing everyone and catching up on your life and
Commander stories.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
Thanks Jim / Sue
I think I am the only one still on here.
________________________________
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:04 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
Wanted to get the word out for anyone that is still on this forum.
Here are the final details of the 2017 fly in. Please call the number list
ed here to make your hotel reservations ASAP to insure you get the group ra
te.
Flyin Date: 9/22/2017 - 9/24/2017 . Some of us will be going up on Thursda
y the 21st but the official dates are Friday through Sunday
Hotel: The Elms and here is link to their website: http://www.elmshoteland
spa.com/<http://www.elmshotelandspa.com/>
Hotel Reservation Number: 816-630-5500 and mention Twin Commander Flyin to
get the group rate of $179/night. Rooms are limited so don't wait.
Car Rental is Hertz: 816-407-9948 and they'll leave the car at the airport.
The official Fly In site will be KGPH Midwest National Air Center in Mosby
Missouri. We will be hosted by Central Air who own and operate Twin Comma
nders so should be really cool.
There are no landing fees or anything so should be pretty easy trip for eve
ryone. FBO at airport: 816-407-3390
We're still making arrangements for the food as we're trying to get a reaso
nable head count to know what we need to do. To keep things simple we may
just take up a collection at the event to cover the extras instead of havin
g to pay upfront. I'll post more details on this entry as I get them.
Please make your reservations now and let us know who's coming so we can ta
lly up the count. Look forward to seeing everyone and catching up on your
life and Commander stories.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
THEY A
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Steele, Bob wrote:
> Thanks Jim / Sue
>
>
> I think I am the only one still on here.
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *yourtcfg(at)aol.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:04 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
>
>
> Wanted to get the word out for anyone that is still on this forum.
>
>
> Here are the final details of the 2017 fly in. Please call the number
> listed here to make your hotel reservations ASAP to insure you get the
> group rate.
>
> Flyin Date: 9/22/2017 - 9/24/2017 . Some of us will be going up on
> Thursday the 21st but the official dates are Friday through Sunday
>
> Hotel: The Elms and here is link to their website:
> http://www.elmshotelandspa.com/
>
> Hotel Reservation Number: 816-630-5500 <(816)%20630-5500> and mention
> Twin Commander Flyin to get the group rate of $179/night. Rooms are
> limited so don't wait.
>
> Car Rental is Hertz: 816-407-9948 <(816)%20407-9948> and they'll leave
> the car at the airport.
>
> The official Fly In site will be KGPH Midwest National Air Center in
> Mosby Missouri. We will be hosted by Central Air who own and operate
> Twin Commanders so should be really cool.
>
> There are no landing fees or anything so should be pretty easy trip for
> everyone. FBO at airport: 816-407-3390 <(816)%20407-3390>
>
> We're still making arrangements for the food as we're trying to get a
> reasonable head count to know what we need to do. To keep things simple we
> may just take up a collection at the event to cover the extras instead of
> having to pay upfront. I'll post more details on this entry as I get them.
>
> Please make your reservations now and let us know who's coming so we can
> tally up the count. Look forward to seeing everyone and catching up on
> your life and Commander stories.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Derek Groves <n202jh(at)GMAIL.COM> |
I'm here, just don't talk much
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Steele, Bob wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim / Sue
>
> I think I am the only one still on here.
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:04 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
>
> Wanted to get the word out for anyone that is still on this forum.
>
> Here are the final details of the 2017 fly in. Please call the number lis
ted here to make your hotel reservations ASAP to insure you get the group ra
te.
>
> Flyin Date: 9/22/2017 - 9/24/2017 . Some of us will be going up on Thursd
ay the 21st but the official dates are Friday through Sunday
>
> Hotel: The Elms and here is link to their website: http://www.elmshotelan
dspa.com/
>
> Hotel Reservation Number: 816-630-5500 and mention Twin Commander Flyin t
o get the group rate of $179/night. Rooms are limited so don't wait.
>
> Car Rental is Hertz: 816-407-9948 and they'll leave the car at the airport
.
>
> The official Fly In site will be KGPH Midwest National Air Center in Mosby
Missouri. We will be hosted by Central Air who own and operate Twin Comma
nders so should be really cool.
>
> There are no landing fees or anything so should be pretty easy trip for ev
eryone. FBO at airport: 816-407-3390
>
> We're still making arrangements for the food as we're trying to get a reas
onable head count to know what we need to do. To keep things simple we may j
ust take up a collection at the event to cover the extras instead of having t
o pay upfront. I'll post more details on this entry as I get them.
>
> Please make your reservations now and let us know who's coming so we can t
ally up the count. Look forward to seeing everyone and catching up on your l
ife and Commander stories.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
They are all lurking Bob - Greetings to you!
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Steele, Bob wrote:
> Thanks Jim / Sue
>
>
> I think I am the only one still on here.
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *yourtcfg(at)aol.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:04 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
>
>
> Wanted to get the word out for anyone that is still on this forum.
>
>
> Here are the final details of the 2017 fly in. Please call the number
> listed here to make your hotel reservations ASAP to insure you get the
> group rate.
>
> Flyin Date: 9/22/2017 - 9/24/2017 . Some of us will be going up on
> Thursday the 21st but the official dates are Friday through Sunday
>
> Hotel: The Elms and here is link to their website:
> http://www.elmshotelandspa.com/
>
> Hotel Reservation Number: 816-630-5500 <(816)%20630-5500> and mention
> Twin Commander Flyin to get the group rate of $179/night. Rooms are
> limited so don't wait.
>
> Car Rental is Hertz: 816-407-9948 <(816)%20407-9948> and they'll leave
> the car at the airport.
>
> The official Fly In site will be KGPH Midwest National Air Center in
> Mosby Missouri. We will be hosted by Central Air who own and operate
> Twin Commanders so should be really cool.
>
> There are no landing fees or anything so should be pretty easy trip for
> everyone. FBO at airport: 816-407-3390 <(816)%20407-3390>
>
> We're still making arrangements for the food as we're trying to get a
> reasonable head count to know what we need to do. To keep things simple we
> may just take up a collection at the event to cover the extras instead of
> having to pay upfront. I'll post more details on this entry as I get them.
>
> Please make your reservations now and let us know who's coming so we can
> tally up the count. Look forward to seeing everyone and catching up on
> your life and Commander stories.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Hey Bob, you=99re not the last; I=99m here too!
Where is all this information normally posted now? Is there a Facebook
group or something?
Thanks,
/John
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Steele, Bob wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim / Sue
>
> I think I am the only one still on here.
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:04 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
>
> Wanted to get the word out for anyone that is still on this forum.
>
> Here are the final details of the 2017 fly in. Please call the number
listed here to make your hotel reservations ASAP to insure you get the
group rate.
>
> Flyin Date: 9/22/2017 - 9/24/2017 . Some of us will be going up on
Thursday the 21st but the official dates are Friday through Sunday
>
> Hotel: The Elms and here is link to their website:
http://www.elmshotelandspa.com/
>
> Hotel Reservation Number: 816-630-5500 and mention Twin Commander
Flyin to get the group rate of $179/night. Rooms are limited so don't
wait.
>
> Car Rental is Hertz: 816-407-9948 and they'll leave the car at the
airport.
>
> The official Fly In site will be KGPH Midwest National Air Center in
Mosby Missouri. We will be hosted by Central Air who own and operate
Twin Commanders so should be really cool.
>
> There are no landing fees or anything so should be pretty easy trip
for everyone. FBO at airport: 816-407-3390
>
> We're still making arrangements for the food as we're trying to get a
reasonable head count to know what we need to do. To keep things simple
we may just take up a collection at the event to cover the extras
instead of having to pay upfront. I'll post more details on this entry
as I get them.
>
> Please make your reservations now and let us know who's coming so we
can tally up the count. Look forward to seeing everyone and catching up
on your life and Commander stories.
--
John Vormbaum
john(at)vormbaum.com
408.482.4668 (m)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (MacPro13)" <deneals(at)deneals.com> |
Naaaah. Other stragglers are still here. Maybe only us Cincinnatians!
>
> (708) 403-4560 phone
> (815) 346-0855 efax
> deneals(at)deneals.com
> http://deneals.com
From: <owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of "Steele,
Bob"
Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
Thanks Jim / Sue
I think I am the only one still on here.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
No, I'm lurking from Las Vegas. Very very busy and lost track of where most of
you went, but I do look at what messages in a bottle wash up on my shore.
Keith S Gordon
(aka Wing Commander Gordon)
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
KHND RNAV Lead
FAASTeam, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee, Past Chairman
Las Vegas Metroplex Co-Lead, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: Deneal Schilmeister (MacPro13) <deneals(at)deneals.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 26, 2017 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
Naaaah. Other stragglers are still here. Maybe only us Cincinnatians!
(708) 403-4560 phone
(815) 346-0855 efax
deneals(at)deneals.com
http://deneals.com
From: <owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
Thanks Jim / Sue
I think I am the only one still on here.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico" <nico(at)nicsysco.com> |
There's one Californian in one last outpost still hanging onto my religion
and my guns.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal
Schilmeister (MacPro13)
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:23 PM
Subject: [deneals.com] Re: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
Naaaah. Other stragglers are still here. Maybe only us Cincinnatians!
(708) 403-4560 phone
(815) 346-0855 efax
deneals(at)deneals.com
http://deneals.com
From: <owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> on behalf of "Steele,
Bob" >
>
Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 5:07 PM
>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
Thanks Jim / Sue
I think I am the only one still on here.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
I'm still here too. Living the dream in San Luis Obispo, CA. N6253X comes
out of annual this week. Yay..!!
<http://www.dskarch.com/health_dsk_dettmer.htm>
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
t: 805 541 4864
rcdettmer(at)dettmerarchitecture.com
<http://www.dskarch.com/contact.htm> San Francisco I
<http://www.dskarch.com/contact.htm> Los Angeles I
<http://www.dskarch.com/contact.htm> San Luis Obispo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:35 PM
Subject: [nicsysco.com] RE: [deneals.com] Re: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
There's one Californian in one last outpost still hanging onto my religion
and my guns.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal
Schilmeister (MacPro13)
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:23 PM
Subject: [deneals.com] Re: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
Naaaah. Other stragglers are still here. Maybe only us Cincinnatians!
(708) 403-4560 phone
(815) 346-0855 efax
deneals(at)deneals.com
http://deneals.com
From: <owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of "Steele, Bob"
Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
Thanks Jim / Sue
I think I am the only one still on here.
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| From: | Gary Giesler <gjgiesler(at)hotmail.com> |
In my back yard.... i will be there. N500RX Gary Giesler
________________________________
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-commander-list-serve
r(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Deneal Schilmeister (MacPro13)
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:23:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
Naaaah. Other stragglers are still here. Maybe only us Cincinnatians!
[cid:A08D4093-21F0-475F-9218-083FD5EEA080]
(708) 403-4560 phone
(815) 346-0855 efax
deneals(at)deneals.com
http://deneals.com>
From: <owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com>> on behalf of "Steele, Bob" >
>>
Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 5:07 PM
mmander-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
Thanks Jim / Sue
I think I am the only one still on here.
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| From: | James Addington <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
You aren't the only one, I am hanging on to my religion and guns.
Jim
N444BD
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 5:35 PM, nico wrote:
>
> There=99s one Californian in one last outpost still hanging onto my r
eligion and my guns.
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal Schilmeister (MacPro13)
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:23 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: [deneals.com] Re: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
>
> Naaaah. Other stragglers are still here. Maybe only us Cincinnatians!
>
>
>
> (708) 403-4560 phone
> (815) 346-0855 efax
> deneals(at)deneals.com
> http://deneals.com
>
>
> From: <owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of "Steele, Bo
b"
> Reply-To:
> Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 5:07 PM
> To: "commander-list(at)matronics.com"
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
>
> Thanks Jim / Sue
>
> I think I am the only one still on here.
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| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Folk,
The locus of activity is now at twincommandergroup.com
You need to join the group and then login every now and then to keep
'abreast' of things...
And here's a tip / you'll even find Buddy Windham lurking...
Cheers!
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 at 9:04 am, James Addington
wrote:
> You aren't the only one, I am hanging on to my religion and guns.
> Jim
> N444BD
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 5:35 PM, nico wrote:
>
> There=99s one Californian in one last outpost still hanging onto my
religion
> and my guns.
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Deneal
> Schilmeister (MacPro13)
>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:23 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* [deneals.com] Re: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
>
>
> Naaaah. Other stragglers are still here. Maybe only us Cincinnatians!
>
>
>
>
>
> (708) 403-4560 phone
> (815) 346-0855 efax
> deneals(at)deneals.com
> http://deneals.com
>
>
> *From: *<owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of "Steele,
> Bob"
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 5:07 PM
> *To: *"commander-list(at)matronics.com"
> *Subject: *RE: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
>
>
> Thanks Jim / Sue
>
>
> I think I am the only one still on here.
>
>
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Yup still around clinging
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Russell Legg
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nicsysco.com] RE: [deneals.com] Re: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-
In
Folk,
The locus of activity is now at twincommandergroup.com
You need to join the group and then login every now and then to keep 'abrea
st' of things...
And here's a tip / =C2-you'll even find Buddy Windham lurking...
Cheers!
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 at 9:04 am, James Addington w
rote:
You aren't the only one, I am hanging on to my religion and guns.
Jim
N444BD
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 26, 2017, at 5:35 PM, nico wrote:
There=99s one Californian in one last outpost still hanging onto my r
eligion and my guns.
=C2-
=C2-
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal Schilmeister (MacPro13)
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:23 PM
Subject: [deneals.com] Re: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
=C2-
Naaaah.=C2- Other stragglers are still here.=C2- Maybe only us Cincinna
tians!
=C2-
(708) 403-4560 =C2-phone
(815) 346-0855 =C2-efax
deneals(at)deneals.com
http://deneals.com
=C2-
From: <owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of "Steele, Bob
"
Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2017 Fly-In
=C2-
Thanks Jim / Sue
=C2-
I think I am the only one still on here.
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| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
Is there some other place where Commander related information is being
exchanged? I know there's a facebook page but that's a largely useless
way to retain information since it's not organized or searchable in any
useful way so I just ignore it.
Chris
yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
> Wanted to get the word out for anyone that is still on this forum.
> Here are the final details of the 2017 fly in. Please call the number
> listed here to make your hotel reservations ASAP to insure you get the
> group rate.
>
> Flyin Date: 9/22/2017 - 9/24/2017 . Some of us will be going up on
> Thursday the 21st but the official dates are Friday through Sunday
>
> Hotel: The Elms and here is link to their website:
> _http://www.elmshotelandspa.com/_
>
> Hotel Reservation Number: 816-630-5500 and mention Twin Commander
> Flyin to get the group rate of $179/night. Rooms are limited so don't
> wait.
>
> Car Rental is Hertz: 816-407-9948 and they'll leave the car at the
> airport.
>
> The official Fly In site will be KGPH Midwest National Air Center in
> Mosby Missouri. We will be hosted by Central Air who own and operate
> Twin Commanders so should be really cool.
>
> There are no landing fees or anything so should be pretty easy trip
> for everyone. FBO at airport: 816-407-3390
>
> We're still making arrangements for the food as we're trying to get a
> reasonable head count to know what we need to do. To keep things
> simple we may just take up a collection at the event to cover the
> extras instead of having to pay upfront. I'll post more details on
> this entry as I get them.
>
> Please make your reservations now and let us know who's coming so we
> can tally up the count. Look forward to seeing everyone and catching
> up on your life and Commander stories.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Chris - see my email above...
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 at 10:33 am, Chris wrote:
>
> Is there some other place where Commander related information is being
> exchanged? I know there's a facebook page but that's a largely useless
> way to retain information since it's not organized or searchable in any
> useful way so I just ignore it.
> Chris
>
>
> yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
> > Wanted to get the word out for anyone that is still on this forum.
> > Here are the final details of the 2017 fly in. Please call the number
> > listed here to make your hotel reservations ASAP to insure you get the
> > group rate.
> >
> > Flyin Date: 9/22/2017 - 9/24/2017 . Some of us will be going up on
> > Thursday the 21st but the official dates are Friday through Sunday
> >
> > Hotel: The Elms and here is link to their website:
> > _http://www.elmshotelandspa.com/_
> >
> > Hotel Reservation Number: 816-630-5500 and mention Twin Commander
> > Flyin to get the group rate of $179/night. Rooms are limited so don't
> > wait.
> >
> > Car Rental is Hertz: 816-407-9948 and they'll leave the car at the
> > airport.
> >
> > The official Fly In site will be KGPH Midwest National Air Center in
> > Mosby Missouri. We will be hosted by Central Air who own and operate
> > Twin Commanders so should be really cool.
> >
> > There are no landing fees or anything so should be pretty easy trip
> > for everyone. FBO at airport: 816-407-3390
> >
> > We're still making arrangements for the food as we're trying to get a
> > reasonable head count to know what we need to do. To keep things
> > simple we may just take up a collection at the event to cover the
> > extras instead of having to pay upfront. I'll post more details on
> > this entry as I get them.
> >
> > Please make your reservations now and let us know who's coming so we
> > can tally up the count. Look forward to seeing everyone and catching
> > up on your life and Commander stories.
>
>
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Holy cow.....it=99s Chris Schuermann, THE MAN who, by posting his
520 restoration journey on the Internet, unknowingly sparked my
obsession with Aero Commanders back in the mid 1990=99s. Great to
see you post! I hope you & your family are all well. I seem to recall
you moved on to a Super Viking...do you still have it?
I saw someone else post that twincommandergroup.com
<http://twincommandergroup.com/> is the place to connect now. I=99ll
be joining myself, shortly. And this year I=99ll be flying N353CC
to the fly-in, I hope!
Cheers,
/John
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Chris wrote:
>
>
> Is there some other place where Commander related information is being
exchanged? I know there's a facebook page but that's a largely useless
way to retain information since it's not organized or searchable in any
useful way so I just ignore it.
> Chris
>
>
> yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Wanted to get the word out for anyone that is still on this forum.
>> Here are the final details of the 2017 fly in. Please call the
number listed here to make your hotel reservations ASAP to insure you
get the group rate.
>>
>> Flyin Date: 9/22/2017 - 9/24/2017 . Some of us will be going up on
Thursday the 21st but the official dates are Friday through Sunday
>>
>> Hotel: The Elms and here is link to their website:
_http://www.elmshotelandspa.com/_
>>
>> Hotel Reservation Number: 816-630-5500 and mention Twin Commander
Flyin to get the group rate of $179/night. Rooms are limited so don't
wait.
>>
>> Car Rental is Hertz: 816-407-9948 and they'll leave the car at the
airport.
>>
>> The official Fly In site will be KGPH Midwest National Air Center in
Mosby Missouri. We will be hosted by Central Air who own and operate
Twin Commanders so should be really cool.
>>
>> There are no landing fees or anything so should be pretty easy trip
for everyone. FBO at airport: 816-407-3390
>>
>> We're still making arrangements for the food as we're trying to get a
reasonable head count to know what we need to do. To keep things simple
we may just take up a collection at the event to cover the extras
instead of having to pay upfront. I'll post more details on this entry
as I get them.
>>
>> Please make your reservations now and let us know who's coming so we
can tally up the count. Look forward to seeing everyone and catching up
on your life and Commander stories.
>
>
>
>
--
John Vormbaum
john(at)vormbaum.com
408.482.4668 (m)
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October 02, 2015 - July 27, 2017
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