Europa-Archive.digest.vol-gj
July 20, 2007 - July 24, 2007
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| From: | "James" <jthursby(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
Anyone remember the factory demonstrator N914XS with the blue belly?
After
two or so years in the US sun that plane needed repairs to the front
fuselage as the engine weight was sagging the footwell area of the plane
while it was hot. Needless to say after it was reapaired it was
repainted
white. As Rob H said even yellow can get a bit warmer that white, and
I've
sprayed one yellow myself.
Paint em' white, or fly em' at night!
Jim T.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa colours
Sorry Raimo, but this is dangerous thinking for those of us flying in
warmer
climes.
In my previous post I deliberately avoided getting into too much
technical
detail, and I used the word =93reflected=94 where I should have used the
technically correct term =93emitted.=94
First, you seem to misunderstand heat transfer. You are correct that
the
sun=92s energy is not reflected from a black surface. However, a
=93black body=94
is not only a perfect absorber but also a perfect emitter, which is to
say
it may not be reflecting solar heating but it surely emits it. Park on
a
black surface and the solar energy absorbed by that surface will be
re-radiated to the underside of the aircraft, and if that aircraft is
any
color but white it will absorb too much energy. Any material absorbing
energy will increase in temperature. Sure, there will be some
re-radiation
from the dark aircraft structure but that is irrelevant because the
epoxy-fiberglass will already have softened.
Second, the Lancair aircraft all use a different composite than Europa.
Here=92s how Lancair describes their composites on their web site
http://www.lancair.com/Main/legacy.html ---
=93Like every Lancair, the Legacy=92s major airframe is constructed of
advanced
composite materials. Cured at 270 degrees Fahrenheit under vacuum
pressure,
these NASA tested, epoxy based composites are among the lightest,
strongest,
stiffest materials known.
The high-temperature, pre-impregnated carbon fiber and/or fiberglass
systems
combined with Nomex/honeycomb core materials are considered the supreme
composite airframe materials of choice worldwide.=94
Note that the Lancair=92s composites are cured at a much higher
temperature
than the factory and we cure the Europa structural components. The
=93glass
transition temperature=94 is approximately the cure temperature so
softening
of the composite does not begin until approximately T sub g is reached.
For
a detailed explanation to T sub g see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_transition_temperature For our
purposes
we can consider the glass transition temperature the softening
temperature,
above which the structure loses a significant portion of its strength.
Anyone contemplating painting a Europa any color other than white
(including
yellow) should review the chart in the Builders Manual, Figure 1,
Colour-Temperature Relationship, on page 36-1 of the Europa XS Tri-Gear
Manual, Issue 1, dated 30 May 1998.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS Tri-Gear
S/N A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
Toivio
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
Rob,
I am not going to encourage anybody to paint their
Europa=B4s undersides any colour but white. I still well
remember Manual=B4s words: all the Europas must be white.
I still have to point out the energy of the sun is NOT
reflecting out of the black asphalt IMHO. That is why
it is hot when a sunny day. It absorbs allmost all the heat
energy and nothing is reflecting out. White surfaces are
cool because they are reflecting out much more.
So it could be more dangerous to keep it on the snow covered
surface while a sunny day (or on white sand or water w Europa floats!).
In Sweden there has been 10 years a wonderful full colour mid red
Lancair
320
and no composite problems at all. Register # is SE-XOP (!). And like
we all know in South America (Columbia?) there is flying a total deep
yellow
Europa.
I think - with other colour as white - it is better to be even more
careful.
Beauty is a good reason for some extra work and some sacrifice.
That is the fact all the women know. That is all.
"Keep your full matt black Europa in the hangar and fly only night time
if
you wanna be absolutely sure"
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob <mailto:robh@hyperion-ef.com> Housman
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa rules
Mike '
In re: dark paint
Don=92t even think about it. Where we live and fly, on warm days the
heat
reflected off the ramp will be sufficient to soften the epoxy-fiberglass
enough to reduce the strength of the structure. Sure it will be OK at
altitude but you still have to climb away from the surface. Folks
flying
closer to the Arctic Circle don=92t have to worry about getting the
airframe
too hot.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS Tri-Gear
S/N A070
Airframe complete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa rules
Raimo,
Congratulations to you and your aircraft. I think we can all stand a
little
taller and more proud when one of "our" planes tops the list of all in
an
entire country.
Do you have any pix of you panel? Is the underside of your aircraft
really
painted dark? Black, blue, brown? Any reasoning for this?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| From: | "Steve Pitt" <steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.com> |
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
OK. I have transferred the results so far to a spreadsheet which I have
copied and pasted below. I am not an expert so hope it works. Please
fill in the blanks. And send it back to the forum. If anyone has been
missed off I apologise but it is getting a little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the typical
landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
46
Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
Completed
None found
Original
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing
(1998)- no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
Completed
None found
1.9in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BXDP
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
18/07/2007 15:30
18/07/2007 15:30
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| From: | JEFF ROBERTS <jeff(at)rmmm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Europa colours |
This is very correct Jim. I have light tan or gold accents on N128LJ.
It is a metallic light gold so I figured it to be a very acceptable
reflective / emitted color. On a sunny day the difference to the touch
is the difference between very warm and neutral to the touch. Even in
the winter months on a sunny day reach out and touch a black car then a
white and you'll know the color to paint your plane. Keep it white and
keep it strong.
Regards,
Jeff R.
On Jul 20, 2007, at 10:55 AM, James wrote:
> Anyone remember the factory demonstrator N914XS with the blue belly?
> After two or so years in the US sun that plane needed repairs to the
> front fuselage as the engine weightwas sagging the footwell area of
> the plane while it was hot. Needless to say after it was reapairedit
> was repainted white. As Rob H said even yellow can get a bit warmer
> that white, and I've sprayed one yellow myself.
> Paint em' white, or fly em' at night!
>
> Jim T.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
>> Housman
>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:02 AM
>> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa colours
>>
>> Sorry Raimo, but this is dangerous thinking for those of us flying in
>> warmer climes.
>>
>> In my previous post I deliberately avoided getting into too much
>> technical detail, and I used the word reflected where I should have
>> used the technically correct term emitted.
>>
>> First, you seem to misunderstand heat transfer. You are correct that
>> the suns energy is not reflected from a black surface. However, a
>> black body is not only a perfect absorber but also a perfect
>> emitter, which is to say it may not be reflecting solar heating but
>> it surely emits it. Park on a black surface and the solar energy
>> absorbed by that surface will be re-radiated to the underside of the
>> aircraft, and if that aircraft is any color but white it will absorb
>> too much energy. Any material absorbing energy will increase in
>> temperature. Sure, there will be some re-radiation from the dark
>> aircraft structure but that is irrelevant because the
>> epoxy-fiberglass will already have softened.
>>
>> Second, the Lancair aircraft all use a different composite than
>> Europa. Heres how Lancair describes their composites on their web
>> site http://www.lancair.com/Main/legacy.html ---
>>
>> Like every Lancair, the Legacys major airframe is constructed of
>> advanced composite materials. Cured at 270 degrees Fahrenheit under
>> vacuum pressure, these NASA tested, epoxy based composites are among
>> the lightest, strongest, stiffest materials known.
>>
>> The high-temperature, pre-impregnated carbon fiber and/or fiberglass
>> systems combined with Nomex/honeycomb core materials are considered
>> the supreme composite airframe materials of choice worldwide.
>>
>> Note that the Lancairs composites are cured at a much higher
>> temperature than the factory and we cure the Europa structural
>> components. The glass transition temperature is approximately the
>> cure temperature so softening of the composite does not begin until
>> approximately T sub g is reached. For a detailed explanation to T
>> sub g see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_transition_temperature
>> For our purposes we can consider the glass transition temperature the
>> softening temperature, above which the structure loses a significant
>> portion of its strength.
>>
>> Anyone contemplating painting a Europa any color other than white
>> (including yellow) should review the chart in the Builders Manual,
>> Figure 1, Colour-Temperature Relationship, on page 36-1 of the Europa
>> XS Tri-Gear Manual, Issue 1, dated 30 May 1998.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Rob Housman
>> Irvine, California
>> Europa XS Tri-Gear
>> S/N A070
>> Airframe complete
>>
>> From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
>> Toivio
>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:28 AM
>> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
>>
>> Rob,
>>
>> I am not going to encourage anybody to paint their
>> Europas undersides any colour but white. I still well
>> remember Manuals words: all the Europas must be white.
>>
>> I still have to point out the energy of the sun is NOT
>> reflecting out of the black asphalt IMHO. That is why
>> it is hot when a sunny day. It absorbs allmost all the heat
>> energy and nothing is reflecting out. White surfaces are
>> cool because they are reflecting out much more.
>>
>> So it could be more dangerous to keep it on the snow covered
>> surface while a sunny day (or on white sand or water w Europa
>> floats!).
>>
>> In Sweden therehas been 10 years awonderfulfull colour mid red
>> Lancair 320
>> and no composite problems at all. Register # is SE-XOP (!).And like
>> we all know in South America (Columbia?) there is flying a totaldeep
>> yellow Europa.
>>
>> I think - with other colour as white - it is better to beeven more
>> careful.
>> Beauty is a good reason for some extra work and some sacrifice.
>> That is the fact all the women know. That is all.
>>
>> "Keep your full matt black Europain the hangar and fly only night
>> time if you wanna be absolutely sure"
>>
>> Raimo
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Rob Housman
>>> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 2:32 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa rules
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> In re: dark paint
>>>
>>> Dont even think about it. Where we live and fly, on warm days the
>>> heat reflected off the ramp will be sufficient to soften the
>>> epoxy-fiberglass enough to reduce the strength of the structure.
>>> Sure it will be OK at altitude but you still have to climb away from
>>> the surface. Folks flying closer to the Arctic Circle dont have to
>>> worry about getting the airframe too hot.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rob Housman
>>> Irvine, California
>>> Europa XS Tri-Gear
>>> S/N A070
>>> Airframe complete
>>>
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>> DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:23 PM
>>> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa rules
>>>
>>> Raimo,
>>>
>>> Congratulations to you and your aircraft. I think we can all stand a
>>> little taller and more proud when one of "our" planes tops the list
>>> of all in an entire country.
>>>
>>> Do you have any pix of you panel? Is the underside of your aircraft
>>> really painted dark? Black, blue, brown? Any reasoning for this?
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Duane A207A
>>> Redding, California
>>> XS Conventional Gear
>>> Jabiru 3300
>>> Sensenich R64Z N
>>> Ground Adjustable Prop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
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>
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| From: | "Brian Davies" <bdavies(at)dircon.co.uk> |
Hmm..
Something has got scambled in the move! My aircraft is the only one with
1.9 in pip pins but that info seems to have moved to Graham Drake. It
probably does not matter too much because the important info at the moment
(early days) is that no TP6 bushes have disbonded.
Brian Davies
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Pitt
Sent: 20 July 2007 17:04
Subject: Fw: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:riddon(at)sent.com"Richard Iddon
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
OK. I have transferred the results so far to a spreadsheet which I have
copied and pasted below. I am not an expert so hope it works. Please fill
in the blanks. And send it back to the forum. If anyone has been missed off
I apologise but it is getting a little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the typical
landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
46
Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
Completed
None found
Original
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing (1998)- no
worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
20
mixed
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
Completed
None found
1.9in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BXDP
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
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| From: | "David Watts" <dg.watts(at)talktalk.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 results |
Filled in 3 aircraft
Dave Watts
G-BXDY / G-CCOV / G-BWDP
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Jones
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
so hope it works. Please fill in the blanks. And send it back to the
forum. If anyone has been missed off I apologise but it is getting a
little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the
typical landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with
failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
320
Both
Completed
None found
Original
None
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing
(1998)- no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
60
Mostly Hard
Completed
None found
1.9in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BWDP
Mono
N/A
N/A
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
1250
Mostly Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
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| From: | "Brian Davies" <bdavies(at)dircon.co.uk> |
Steve,
The PFA were made aware of the many builders that have incorporated this
change and they determined that this arrangement did not meet the
requirement to provide a secondary retention for TP6. In fact, this is what
led to the grounding of many UK Europas.
Personnally, I think the very quick issue of Mod 73 was as a result of the
PFA becoming aware of so many non standard pip pin recesses. I think they
were a bit shocked because the build manual is quite clear in saying that
changes to the recess requires PFA mod approval (in the UK). Mod 73 may not
be elegant but it does create a known build standard across the fleet and
removes the need to tear out the many non standard arrangements (for UK
owners).
In case you think I am sounding rather "holier than thou"" over this - I
was also grounded because of non standard pip pin recesses.
Brian Davies
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hagar
Sent: 21 July 2007 06:13
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 73 Fray
I have been keeping out of the fray as I did not want to add to the 30 or so
E mails every night. This doesn't apply to the European types as they must
pay homage to the PFA. I am surprised to note that no one has mentioned a
modification that was detailed in what I believe was sent in to the Europa
Newsletter when it was being published years ago. I had done this to my
tail planes and it appears to be pretty robust and not dependent on the TP6
debonding to keep the integrity of mating of the drive pins at the tail
plane root. The deviation involved making a receptacle in the top of the
tailplane out of an internally threaded PVC pipe stub. Mine has about an
inch and a half inside diameter. This is positioned so that the pip pin is
almost touching the inboard periphery of the ID. Debonding of TP6 would
result in the pin acting in shear against the inside of the receptacle,
holding the tailplane in place. I turned the OD of the unit a little over
2" before I bonded down into the meaty thickness of the upper tailplane. A
plug was turned to thread into the cavity top so this holds the pip pin in
weather the balls are sprung or not. I don't have alot of hours on the
aircraft yet for a history however it has been rigged and derigged at least
75~100 times. I have had the TP5's come loose and have done work on them.
These are exposed to greater stress as when you put the planes on and they
are not exactly level you invariably have some levering action going on
until you get things started and pushed in.
Just My 2 cents
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa AZ
N40SH
> [Original Message]
> From: josok <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi>
> To:
> Date: 7/14/2007 11:01:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Tailplane - Mod 73
>
>
> Hi Richsrd,
>
>
http://www.europaclub.org.uk/mods/improved_tp5_and_tp6_sleeve_retention.shtm
l
>
> Europa club pages,
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
15:30
15:30
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| From: | "Steve Pitt" <steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.com> |
----- Original Message -----
From: David Watts
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
Filled in 3 aircraft
Dave Watts
G-BXDY / G-CCOV / G-BWDP
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Jones
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
so hope it works. Please fill in the blanks. And send it back to the
forum. If anyone has been missed off I apologise but it is getting a
little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the
typical landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with
failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
46
Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
320
Both
Completed
None found
Original
None
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing
(1998)- no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
60
Mostly Hard
Completed
None found
1.9in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BWDP
Mono
N/A
N/A
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
1250
Mostly Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
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| From: | bryan allsop <bryanallsop(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | TP6 Bonding Survey |
Whilst I can see the attractions of carrying out Richards suggestion for a
live listing of mod 73 findings, I feel that it will fall a long way short
of what I had in mind. In the long term there are three problems with it. 1
. Time scale. It could take a while for some people to complete the mod. In
that time most will loose the motivation to participate inthe survey. 2. C
onfidentiality. Many people may not wish to have details of their aircrafts
's shortcomigs on public display. In which case any bond failures are less
likely to be reported. 3. Completeness. Since we would have no way of knowi
ng how complete the feedback is, we would never know when the survey has an
y value. It would be nice to have 100% response. I feel that any survey sho
uld be authorised by our committee. The committee has a full list of Euopas
, and their owners. It will be easy to establish when a response is missing
. Members can respond in confidence knowing that aircraft details will not
be shown with the results. Sorry Mike, it sounds like a job for the Safety
Officer.It should be remembered that many aircraft will not be modified by
their owners, the info may have to come from the inspectors, or the people
employed to carry out the mod., via the owner.Perhaps responses should be l
isted against age, model of Europa (are Monos less vulnerable, or Classics,
or Trikes). OK, it sounds rather ponderous now. Sorry about that. Regrds t
o all. Bryan Allsop G BYSA
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| From: | "m.clews" <m.clews(at)sky.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 results |
Just finished ours G-OMIK
Mike
so hope it works. Please fill in the blanks. And send it back to
the forum. If anyone has been missed off I apologise but it is getting a
little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the
typical landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with
failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
46
Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
320
Both
Completed
None found
Original
None
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing
(1998)- no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
60
Mostly Hard
Completed
None found
1.9in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BWDP
Mono
N/A
N/A
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been
built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
1250
Mostly Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Mike Clews
UK
G-OMIK
Mono
500
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
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| From: | "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble(at)tiscali.co.uk> |
Brian,
Am I correct in thinking then that a modified pip pin cavity on the top
surface can remain as is, complete with plastic fitting with screw top,
whilst the new one is constructed as per mod 73 in the under surface?
Mike Gamble
XS 440 mono
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Davies" <bdavies(at)dircon.co.uk>
Mod 73 may not
> be elegant but it does create a known build standard across the fleet and
> removes the need to tear out the many non standard arrangements (for UK
> owners).
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
| From: | "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi> |
Thanks to all for the very good wishes. It feels very good to see there are so
many friends out there. Today was the ruff day. Ivan pulled a few stunts, pulled
harder on the plane then i thought would be possible, and since everything
is still in place, i am convinced that the bird will stay in one piece whatever
load you put on it. There is a nice buffet before every possible stall. To stall
this bird unnoticed is impossible. Altogether, a good day, very relaxing
to know that the bird is as safe as can be. Now still work to be done to be a
safe pilot.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Arthur Orchard" <avo(at)flyingcircus.fsworld.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 results |
Arthur Orchard uk G-JOST Tri Gear 17.5 hrs Tar/Mac
completed none found original nothing found
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Pitt
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: Fw: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
OK. I have transferred the results so far to a spreadsheet which I
have copied and pasted below. I am not an expert so hope it works.
Please fill in the blanks. And send it back to the forum. If anyone has
been missed off I apologise but it is getting a little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the
typical landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with
failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
46
Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
Completed
None found
Original
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing
(1998)- no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
Completed
None found
1.9in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BXDP
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
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| From: | "nigel charles" <nwcmc(at)tiscali.co.uk> |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of m.clews
Sent: 20 July 2007 21:13
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
Just finished ours G-OMIK
Mike
so hope it works. Please fill in the blanks. And send it back to the
forum. If anyone has been missed off I apologise but it is getting a
little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the typical
landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
46
Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
320
Both
Completed
None found
Original
None
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing (1998)-
no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
60
Mostly Hard
Completed
None found
1.9in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BWDP
Mono
N/A
N/A
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
1250
Mostly Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
200
Mostly Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Mike Clews
UK
G-OMIK
Mono
500
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
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| From: | "Brian Davies" <bdavies(at)dircon.co.uk> |
Mike,
To quote from Francis Donaldson letter of 12 July,
" Installing Europa mod 73 removes the requirement for the existing pip-pin
recesses to comply with the dimensional criteria specified in PFA
247/FSB-006."
I have interpreted that to mean leave things alone on the top surface.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gamble
Sent: 20 July 2007 21:23
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 Fray
-->
Brian,
Am I correct in thinking then that a modified pip pin cavity on the top
surface can remain as is, complete with plastic fitting with screw top,
whilst the new one is constructed as per mod 73 in the under surface?
Mike Gamble
XS 440 mono
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Davies" <bdavies(at)dircon.co.uk> Mod 73 may not
> be elegant but it does create a known build standard across the fleet
> and removes the need to tear out the many non standard arrangements
> (for UK owners).
>
18:10
18:10
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Davies" <bdavies(at)dircon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | TP6 Bonding Survey |
Hi Bryan,
I will leave the safety officer to respond fully , but please be aware that
we have about 400 members in the Europa Club worldwide and approximately
1000 kits sold, so we have no way of getting the complete picture. Also.
not every owner follows this listing. I do have some information on kits
sold to non members but it is very out of date and could not be trusted to
give an accurate picture of current ownership or build state.
Brian Davies. Europa Club membership sec.
_____
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan allsop
Sent: 20 July 2007 21:05
Subject: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Survey
Whilst I can see the attractions of carrying out Richards suggestion for a
live listing of mod 73 findings, I feel that it will fall a long way short
of what I had in mind. In the long term there are three problems with it.
1. Time scale. It could take a while for some people to complete the mod. In
that time most will loose the motivation to participate inthe survey.
2. Confidentiality. Many people may not wish to have details of their
aircrafts's shortcomigs on public display. In which case any bond failures
are less likely to be reported.
3. Completeness. Since we would have no way of knowing how complete the
feedback is, we would never know when the survey has any value. It would be
nice to have 100% response.
I feel that any survey should be authorised by our committee. The committee
has a full list of Euopas, and their owners. It will be easy to establish
when a response is missing. Members can respond in confidence knowing that
aircraft details will not be shown with the results. Sorry Mike, it sounds
like a job for the Safety Officer.
It should be remembered that many aircraft will not be modified by their
owners, the info may have to come from the inspectors, or the people
employed to carry out the mod., via the owner.
Perhaps responses should be listed against age, model of Europa (are Monos
less vulnerable, or Classics, or Trikes).
OK, it sounds rather ponderous now. Sorry about that.
Regrds to all.
Bryan Allsop G BYSA
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18:10
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| From: | "colin smallwood" <ctsmallwood(at)waitrose.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 results |
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
OK. I have transferred the results so far to a spreadsheet which I
have copied and pasted below. I am not an expert so hope it works.
Please fill in the blanks. And send it back to the forum. If anyone has
been missed off I apologise but it is getting a little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the
typical landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with
failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
Completed
None found
Original
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing
(1998)- no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
Completed
None found
1.9in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BXDP
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Colin Smallwood
UK
G-DEBR
Tri Gear
Tarmac
W.I.P
None found
2in
TP5 Port,Moved .25" Outboard
18/07/2007 15:30
18/07/2007 15:30
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-----
19/07/2007 18:10
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Pattinson" <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: TP6 Bonding Survey |
I dont want to knock anybodys worthy efforts in compiling a list of Mod
73'ers but I agree whole heartedly that this job would be better handled
by the Europa club committee.
My pesonal view (which I have stated before) is that inspectors should
be required report irregularities/ problems as a matter of routine to
either the PFA or the aircraft manfacturer so that results can be
collated and potential accidents pre-empted. Unfortunately this isnt
going to happen.
I agree that confidentiality is a big issue and those of us who find
irregularities may choose not add their details to the list. This will
create the impression that everything in the garden is rosy when it may
in fact not be.
Another complication is that some of us (me included) may choose to fly
off the 10 hours allowed before undertaking the work so it may be some
time before a complete list is compiled.
Finally many Europa owners are not membersof this forum so will be
excluded from the survey.
The only way to produce a meaningful survey would be for the factory to
require all Europa owners to participate in the survey which would be
collated by either themselves or the PFA. The advantage of channeling
this exercise through the Europa club (assuming they would accept the
task) is that individual annonymity could be guaranteed and only the
figures need be reported back to the authorities.
I am totally in favour with your proposal Bryan but I will be happy to
add my details to the current list if the EC arent able step into the
breach.
----- Original Message -----
From: bryan allsop
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Survey
Whilst I can see the attractions of carrying out Richards suggestion
for a live listing of mod 73 findings, I feel that it will fall a long
way short of what I had in mind. In the long term there are three
problems with it.
1. Time scale. It could take a while for some people to complete the
mod. In that time most will loose the motivation to participate inthe
survey.
2. Confidentiality. Many people may not wish to have details of their
aircrafts's shortcomigs on public display. In which case any bond
failures are less likely to be reported.
3. Completeness. Since we would have no way of knowing how complete
the feedback is, we would never know when the survey has any value. It
would be nice to have 100% response.
I feel that any survey should be authorised by our committee. The
committee has a full list of Euopas, and their owners. It will be easy
to establish when a response is missing. Members can respond in
confidence knowing that aircraft details will not be shown with the
results. Sorry Mike, it sounds like a job for the Safety Officer.
It should be remembered that many aircraft will not be modified by
their owners, the info may have to come from the inspectors, or the
people employed to carry out the mod., via the owner.
Perhaps responses should be listed against age, model of Europa (are
Monos less vulnerable, or Classics, or Trikes).
OK, it sounds rather ponderous now. Sorry about that.
Regrds to all.
Bryan Allsop G BYSA
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| From: | "Michael Grass" <M.Grass(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch |
----- Original Message -----
From: ALAN YERLY
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Updated Oshkosh Lunch Bunch
Name Cell Dates
Type Europa
Bud Yerly 813 244-8354 24-27
Tri gear
Rich Schultz 713-703-2156 21-27
Tri gear
Bob Borger 817-992-1117 21-27
Monowheel
Ira Rampil 631-335-9582 21-27
Tri gear
Linda Rampil 631-335-9583 21-27
Tri gear
Karl Heindl None 21-27
Tri gear C-FIRS
Brian Davies 44 792 1083 599 UK 25-28
Trigear
Rick Stockton 707-303-1717 23-27
Tri gear
Pete Zutrauen 613-850-5551 21-27
Future Mono
John Wigney 704-231-7865 23-28
Mono XS - at 'Home Built Camping
Michael Grass 586-822-0333 22-26
Trigear Driving in
Goff Moore 44 7808 296388 UK 22-29
Tri-gear
Paul McAllister 262-993-4483 21-28
Mono
Thomas Theron 920-230-8283
Monowheel(South African Camp)
Roelf Theron 920-230-8283
Tri Gear(South African Camp)
Ken Carpenter 865 805 3520 22-28
Mono
Capt. Myron Haluschak None 23-29
Mono XS, building
Bill Sisley (New Zealand) 12627700793 27
Monowheel
Regrets since posting:
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| From: | "Richard Iddon" <riddon(at)sent.com> |
| Subject: | TP6 Bonding Survey |
OK I know it is not going to be complete and maybe those who do have
problems may not want it known. It is a start however and it already
gives me a little more confidence knowing that all those who have
responded so far have had no problems with disbonding etc.
As I said, if anyone has a better idea or someone from the EC wants to
take it on, please do so.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Pattinson
Sent: 20 July 2007 23:23
Subject: Re: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Survey
I dont want to knock anybodys worthy efforts in compiling a list of Mod
73'ers but I agree whole heartedly that this job would be better handled
by the Europa club committee.
My pesonal view (which I have stated before) is that inspectors should
be required report irregularities/ problems as a matter of routine to
either the PFA or the aircraft manfacturer so that results can be
collated and potential accidents pre-empted. Unfortunately this isnt
going to happen.
I agree that confidentiality is a big issue and those of us who find
irregularities may choose not add their details to the list. This will
create the impression that everything in the garden is rosy when it may
in fact not be.
Another complication is that some of us (me included) may choose to fly
off the 10 hours allowed before undertaking the work so it may be some
time before a complete list is compiled.
Finally many Europa owners are not membersof this forum so will be
excluded from the survey.
The only way to produce a meaningful survey would be for the factory to
require all Europa owners to participate in the survey which would be
collated by either themselves or the PFA. The advantage of channeling
this exercise through the Europa club (assuming they would accept the
task) is that individual annonymity could be guaranteed and only the
figures need be reported back to the authorities.
I am totally in favour with your proposal Bryan but I will be happy to
add my details to the current list if the EC arent able step into the
breach.
18/07/2007 15:30
18/07/2007 15:30
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | TP6 Bonding Survey |
Hi Richard
It=92s an excellent start and gives me confidence also keep it up.
Cheers
Alan
_____
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Iddon
Sent: 21 July 2007 07:56
Subject: RE: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Survey
OK I know it is not going to be complete and maybe those who do have
problems may not want it known. It is a start however and it already
gives
me a little more confidence knowing that all those who have responded so
far
have had no problems with disbonding etc.
As I said, if anyone has a better idea or someone from the EC wants to
take
it on, please do so.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Pattinson
Sent: 20 July 2007 23:23
Subject: Re: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Survey
I dont want to knock anybodys worthy efforts in compiling a list of Mod
73'ers but I agree whole heartedly that this job would be better handled
by
the Europa club committee.
My pesonal view (which I have stated before) is that inspectors should
be
required report irregularities/ problems as a matter of routine to
either
the PFA or the aircraft manfacturer so that results can be collated and
potential accidents pre-empted. Unfortunately this isnt going to happen.
I agree that confidentiality is a big issue and those of us who find
irregularities may choose not add their details to the list. This will
create the impression that everything in the garden is rosy when it may
in
fact not be.
Another complication is that some of us (me included) may choose to fly
off
the 10 hours allowed before undertaking the work so it may be some time
before a complete list is compiled.
Finally many Europa owners are not membersof this forum so will be
excluded
from the survey.
The only way to produce a meaningful survey would be for the factory to
require all Europa owners to participate in the survey which would be
collated by either themselves or the PFA. The advantage of channeling
this
exercise through the Europa club (assuming they would accept the task)
is
that individual annonymity could be guaranteed and only the figures need
be
reported back to the authorities.
I am totally in favour with your proposal Bryan but I will be happy to
add
my details to the current list if the EC arent able step into the
breach.
18/07/2007 15:30
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18:10
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| From: | A B Milne <milneab(at)onetel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 results |
Add:
Alasdair Milne UK G-CBYN Completed None 1.75 (not changed) None
Quoting Richard Iddon :
> There has been a suggestion that 'someone' should collate the findings
> and results from doing mod 73.
>
> I have also noted the way that the visitors to Oshkosh have added their
> names to a round robin list. Maybe we could do something similar on the
> forum for the mod.
>
> As an example or to make a start
>
> Name Country Airplane reg.
> Progress on mod 73 Disbonding of TP6 pip pins used Any
> problems found
> Richard Iddon UK G-RIXS
> Completed None found 2 in.
> Nothing major
>
>
> If anyone has any better idea, please feel free to add to the above,
> modify or offer suggestions. Once most members have done the mod the
> results can be emailed to the PFA although I guess that they will be
> monitoring this site.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
> 18/07/2007 15:30
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Iddon" <riddon(at)sent.com> |
Please check latest postings before adding your own and sending back.
Otherwise some data may be missed out as several people send the
spreadsheet back to the forum. I have added in everything I can find so
far. The complete list is below. If you or any data is missing, please
add it in.
Thanks.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
46
Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
320
Both
Completed
None found
Original
None
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing (1998)-
no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
20
mixed
Completed
None found
1.9in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
60
Mostly Hard
Completed
None found
2in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BWDP
Mono
N/A
N/A
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
1250
Mostly Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Mike Clews
UK
G-OMIK
Mono
500
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
nothing major
Arthur Orchard
uk
G-JOST
Tri Gear
17.5 hrs
Tar/Mac
completed
none found
original
nothing found
Colin Smallwood
UK
G-DEBR
Tri Gear
Tarmac
W.I.P
None found
2in
TP5 Port,Moved .25" Outboard
Alasdair Milne
UK
G-CBYN
Tri Gear
Completed
None
original
none
18/07/2007 15:30
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?= <air.guerner(at)orange.fr> |
| Subject: | Tail plane balancing |
Graham,
You are right. I forgot the effect of T bar weight too. I still believe the corresponding
error is less than the error caused by the slightest bearing friction.
The weight to be added to accurately compensate for the missing T-bar error
could be easily calculated. As the T-bar cannot be removed from a completed
aircraft, could any one in the early building stage provide me with the weight
and CG of the trim tab T-bar, ?
Remi
Remi
I forgot the weight of the trim tab control arm does affect tailplane
balance, so balancing outside the fuselage is not quite so simple.
Graham
Rmi Guerner wrote:
>
> I agree that balancing the tail plane outside the aircraft is a lot
> better than doing it in situ. Doing it that way, I discovered that my
> tail planes were significantly overbalanced. I removed a total of 365
> grams from the mass balance, part of which was due to the heavier Mod 70
> balance arm. It is always nice to have an opportunity to reduce your
> airplane weight.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Holder <rholder(at)avnet.co.uk> |
As a result of what at best can be described as a
"misunderstanding" I now have (or will have on Thursday) a
surplus of 2" pip pins :-(
Is there anyone who would like to buy two ?
As it is an unusual size I am planning to carry a spare on
board, is there anyone who would like an extra one for
that purpose ?
20 each.
Richard
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax)
Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder(at)avnet.co.uk
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Naylor" <jimnaylor.44(at)virgin.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Longer pip pins |
Hi Richard,
I will take the two if they are still available, not sure if I will need
them yet, but they will come in for spares!
Let me know the arrangements and I will send you my address and payment.
Regards
Jim Naylor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder(at)avnet.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Longer pip pins
>
> As a result of what at best can be described as a
> "misunderstanding" I now have (or will have on Thursday) a
> surplus of 2" pip pins :-(
>
> Is there anyone who would like to buy two ?
>
> As it is an unusual size I am planning to carry a spare on
> board, is there anyone who would like an extra one for
> that purpose ?
>
> 20 each.
>
> Richard
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Richard F.W. Holder 01279 842804 (POTS)
> Bell House, Bell Lane, 01279 842804 (fax)
> Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
> SG12 8SH email : richard.holder(at)avnet.co.uk
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Europa Classic Tri-gear : G-OWWW, High Cross
> PA-28-181 : Piper Archer : G-JANA, EGSG (Stapleford)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter Jeffers" <pjeffers(at)talktalk.net> |
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon
Sent: 21 July 2007 09:02
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
Please check latest postings before adding your own and sending back.
Otherwise some data may be missed out as several people send the spreadsheet
back to the forum. I have added in everything I can find so far. The
complete list is below. If you or any data is missing, please add it in.
Thanks.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
46
Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
320
Both
Completed
None found
Original
None
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing (1998)- no
worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
Original.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
20
mixed
Completed
None found
1.9in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
60
Mostly Hard
Completed
None found
2in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BWDP
Mono
N/A
N/A
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
1250
Mostly Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Mike Clews
UK
G-OMIK
Mono
500
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
nothing major
Arthur Orchard
uk
G-JOST
Tri Gear
17.5 hrs
Tar/Mac
completed
none found
original
nothing found
Colin Smallwood
UK
G-DEBR
Tri Gear
Tarmac
W.I.P
None found
2in
TP5 Port,Moved .25" Outboard
Alasdair Milne
UK
G-CBYN
Tri Gear
Completed
None
original
none
18/07/2007 15:30
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/Nav
igator?Europa-List
18:10
16:39
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Remi Guerner <air.guerner(at)orange.fr> |
test
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Europa (Alfred Buess)" <ykibuess(at)bluewin.ch> |
| Subject: | Hint for monowheel builders: Undercarriage overcenter locking |
A hint for all monowheel builders: There have been reports on this list
about problems with the undercarriage system not going overcenter as it
should to provide a safe operation on ground. Take it serious and check your
landing gear frame before you install the retraction lever, the retraction
lever guide plate and the flap actuating horn! I didn't and had to learn the
hard way (once more...) that too much confidence in the quality assurance
system of the (former) Europa company bites you. After final assembly of the
landing gear I found out that there was no overcenter locking at all,
because the stops in the landing gear frame were so long, that there was a
"before center stop condition". A lot of filing in an unpleasant position
had to be done, followed by modifications of the retraction lever guide
plate, the flap actuating horn and who knows what else will come.
My recommendation: Check your undercarriage overcenter condition! If you
dont know how, Ron Parigoris explained it previously on this list and others
made usefull comments. You find it all in the list archive.
Happy building to all of us not yet flying!
Alfred
Alfred Buess
Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Boulet <possibletodo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hint for monowheel builders: Undercarriage overcenter |
locking
I had this very problem.... my landing gear retracted on rollout and cost me about
$10,000 (partially because I chose to dump the mono wheel system and convert
to tri gear
Paul Boulet, N914PB tri gear, Malibu, CA
25 hours flown off- still tweakin' it
"Europa (Alfred Buess)" wrote:
A hint for all monowheel builders: There have been reports on this list
about problems with the undercarriage system not going overcenter as it
should to provide a safe operation on ground. Take it serious and check your
landing gear frame before you install the retraction lever, the retraction
lever guide plate and the flap actuating horn! I didn't and had to learn the
hard way (once more...) that too much confidence in the quality assurance
system of the (former) Europa company bites you. After final assembly of the
landing gear I found out that there was no overcenter locking at all,
because the stops in the landing gear frame were so long, that there was a
"before center stop condition". A lot of filing in an unpleasant position
had to be done, followed by modifications of the retraction lever guide
plate, the flap actuating horn and who knows what else will come.
My recommendation: Check your undercarriage overcenter condition! If you
dont know how, Ron Parigoris explained it previously on this list and others
made usefull comments. You find it all in the list archive.
Happy building to all of us not yet flying!
Alfred
Alfred Buess
Laenggasse 81, CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland
Europa XS #097, Monowheel, Foam shortwing, Rotax 912S, Airmaster 332 CS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk> |
| Subject: | 914 Turbo switch on sequence ? |
Hi! You Rotax Turbo 914 buffs/operators.
My new turbo system effectively completes its testing sequence on switch
on but...whilst the motor is stopped there is still some electrical
activity like intermittent buzzing with the engine off .
Is this normal is it safe to allow it to continue?
Would appreciate a speedy response to this message.
RegardsBob Harrison G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 914 Turbo switch on sequence ? |
Hi Bob,
I think you're hearing the turbo servo searching which is normal as far
as I know. I have just 90 hr on mine with no problems. Sounds the same
as when installed. I'm sure others have more experience.
craig ellison
205CN
XS Mono
Silverton, OR
----- Original Message -----
From: R.C.Harrison
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:29 AM
Subject: Europa-List: 914 Turbo switch on sequence ?
Hi! You Rotax Turbo 914 buffs/operators.
My new turbo system effectively completes its testing sequence on
switch on but...whilst the motor is stopped there is still some
electrical activity like intermittent buzzing with the engine off .
Is this normal is it safe to allow it to continue?
Would appreciate a speedy response to this message.
RegardsBob Harrison G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 914 Turbo switch on sequence ? |
| From: | "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi> |
Correct, it's the turbo servo, seems to have to be that way.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
7 hours, no problems, still hotter then i would like.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Rehn" <rehn(at)rockisland.com> |
| Subject: | 914 Turbo switch on sequence ? |
Bob
That's normal; mine has been doing this for 7 years.
Jerry
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ellison
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Turbo switch on sequence ?
Hi Bob,
I think you're hearing the turbo servo searching which is normal as far as I
know. I have just 90 hr on mine with no problems. Sounds the same as when
installed. I'm sure others have more experience.
craig ellison
205CN
XS Mono
Silverton, OR
----- Original Message -----
From: R.C.Harrison <mailto:ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:29 AM
Subject: Europa-List: 914 Turbo switch on sequence ?
Hi! You Rotax Turbo 914 buffs/operators.
My new turbo system effectively completes its testing sequence on switch on
but...whilst the motor is stopped there is still some electrical activity
like intermittent buzzing with the engine off .
Is this normal is it safe to allow it to continue?
Would appreciate a speedy response to this message.
RegardsBob Harrison G-PTAG
Robt.C.Harrison
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref
"http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Iddon" <riddon(at)sent.com> |
| Subject: | Desperate for a DOTH |
With a forecast ridge of high pressure bringing good weather to most of
the UK on Tuesday, I wondered if anyone else fancied a Drop Of The Hat
fly in?
I don't have either Pilot or Flyer for July so don't have access to the
free landings. Anyone else care to make a suggestion for a venue? I am
based at Blackpool and If all else fails I will probably head down to
Shobdon for lunch.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
21/07/2007 15:52
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Trevpond(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 914 Turbo switch on sequence ? |
Eh Up Bob,
Mines the same, has just had another 100 hour service and been passed fit.
Trev
G-LINN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> |
Carl
you are too kind but unfortunatel on this occasion I wasn't quite right!
Forgot the effect of the trim tab Tee bar
Graham
Carl Pattinson wrote:
>
>
> Graham,
>
> I wouldnt dream of telling you you are wrong.
>
> If anyone is likely to know the answer it would be you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Carl.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "rob zeelenberg" <robzeel(at)ision.nl> |
Hi forum,
As I want to change my coolant and oil-hoses for my rotax 912 I remember
there has been someone mentioning there were hoses available I think
from sweden ? for the 914 engine they were blue and in development for
the 912 ? anyone who can help me out here in finding the mail-adress
about this ?? kind regards rob zeelenberg (phpop)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ing. Gottfried Komaier" <gottfried.komaier(at)gmx.net> |
Hi Rob,
here comes for what you are looking for:
Stefan Ingemarsson
Magasinsgatan 2
SE-541 34 Sk=F6vde
Sweden
Stefan Ingemarsson [ingemarsson.s(at)telia.com]
Regards,
Gottfried Komaier
_____
Von: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] Im Auftrag von rob
zeelenberg
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Juli 2007 16:01
An: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: coolant-hoses
Hi forum,
As I want to change my coolant and oil-hoses for my rotax 912 I remember
there has been someone mentioning there were hoses available I think
from
sweden ? for the 914 engine they were blue and in development for the
912 ?
anyone who can help me out here in finding the mail-adress about this ??
kind regards rob zeelenberg (phpop)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Trevpond(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 results |
OK. I have transferred the results so far to a spreadsheet which I have
copied and pasted below. I am not an expert so hope it works. Please fill in
the
blanks. And send it back to the forum. If anyone has been missed off I
apologise but it is getting a little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the typical
landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
Completed
None found
Original
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing (1998)- no
worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
Completed
None found
1.9in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BXDP
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Trev Pond
UK
G-LINN
Tri Gear
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
none
18/07/2007 15:30
18/07/2007 15:30
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "rob zeelenberg" <robzeel(at)ision.nl> |
| Subject: | Re: coolant-hoses |
Hi Gottfried ,most kind ,thanks for the info Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: Ing. Gottfried Komaier
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:26 PM
Subject: AW: Europa-List: coolant-hoses
Hi Rob,
here comes for what you are looking for:
Stefan Ingemarsson
Magasinsgatan 2
SE-541 34 Sk=F6vde
Sweden
Stefan Ingemarsson [ingemarsson.s(at)telia.com]
Regards,
Gottfried Komaier
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Von: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] Im Auftrag von rob
zeelenberg
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Juli 2007 16:01
An: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: coolant-hoses
Hi forum,
As I want to change my coolant and oil-hoses for my rotax 912 I
remember there has been someone mentioning there were hoses available I
think from sweden ? for the 914 engine they were blue and in development
for the 912 ? anyone who can help me out here in finding the mail-adress
about this ?? kind regards rob zeelenberg (phpop)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pete Lawless" <pete(at)lawless.info> |
Rob
Can you copy me in on any information re costs & delivery? I have a 912
installed in a Classic.
Thanks
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rob
zeelenberg
Sent: 23 July 2007 16:55
Subject: Re: Europa-List: coolant-hoses
Hi Gottfried ,most kind ,thanks for the info Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: Ing. <mailto:gottfried.komaier(at)gmx.net> Gottfried Komaier
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:26 PM
Subject: AW: Europa-List: coolant-hoses
Hi Rob,
here comes for what you are looking for:
Stefan Ingemarsson
Magasinsgatan 2
SE-541 34 Sk=F6vde
Sweden
Stefan Ingemarsson [ingemarsson.s(at)telia.com]
Regards,
Gottfried Komaier
_____
Von: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] Im Auftrag von rob
zeelenberg
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Juli 2007 16:01
An: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: coolant-hoses
Hi forum,
As I want to change my coolant and oil-hoses for my rotax 912 I remember
there has been someone mentioning there were hoses available I think
from
sweden ? for the 914 engine they were blue and in development for the
912 ?
anyone who can help me out here in finding the mail-adress about this ??
kind regards rob zeelenberg (phpop)
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Holder <rholder(at)avnet.co.uk> |
Team
I don't know if anyone else has been having trouble
reading the list of completed Mod 73 aircraft. I have. I
just get a list with one item on each line.
I have taken the liberty of creating something much more
readable in .pdf format. Of course it is non-editable, but
I suggest that all other reports should come to me and I
will add them to the list and republish - say twice a
week. I am fairly certain that after the "tag your details
onto the end of this" approach, several sets of info have
been lost. I took this list from trevpond's email of this
afternoon.
To that end please check the attached .pdf and mail me
direct with any omissions, changes or additions.
The bad news is that when I post my results I will end up
destroying the perfect symmetry of "no TP6 disbonding
found" :-(
Richard Holder
G-OWWW High Cross
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi> |
Hi All,
Is there still somebody using Evans,and if so, what temps do you see?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
[/u]
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Watts" <dg.watts(at)talktalk.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 results |
----- Original Message -----
From: Trevpond(at)aol.com
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
OK. I have transferred the results so far to a spreadsheet which I
have copied and pasted below. I am not an expert so hope it works.
Please fill in the blanks. And send it back to the forum. If anyone has
been missed off I apologise but it is getting a little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the
typical landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with
failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
Completed
None found
Original
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing
(1998)- no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BXDP
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Trev Pond
UK
G-LINN
Tri Gear
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
none
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| From: | "Michel AUVRAY" <mau11(at)free.fr> |
Hi Rob,
I change all of my hoses in my 912, I used a GATES hose
Internal diameter 17 mm
PN DIN 73411
For fuel lines:
Internal diameter 7.5mm
PN DIN 73 379 Hutchinson or Gates
All of these hoses have double skin with fabric in the middle
Somes others company produces these DIN references.
Normally these hoses are available in a Automotive shop.
Michel Auvray
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]De la part de rob zeelenberg
Envoy : lundi 23 juillet 2007 16:01
: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Objet : Europa-List: coolant-hoses
Hi forum,
As I want to change my coolant and oil-hoses for my rotax 912 I remember
there has been someone mentioning there were hoses available I think from
sweden ? for the 914 engine they were blue and in development for the 912 ?
anyone who can help me out here in finding the mail-adress about this ??
kind regards rob zeelenberg (phpop)
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| From: | "Michel AUVRAY" <mau11(at)free.fr> |
Hi Jos,
We used only the Volkswagen G012 coolant liquid dilution is 2/3 as like
hundred of Rotax users. 2/3=-24C 1/1=-36C 2/1=-54C
- No corrosive
- No combustible
- Auto obturating (if you have small leaks)
- Life guarantee (no replace the liquid)
- Normal price 12 for 1.5 liter
Available on all VW shop
Evans is combustible... no comments!
Michel
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Envoy : lundi 23 juillet 2007 18:46
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Objet : Europa-List: evans, temps
Hi All,
Is there still somebody using Evans,and if so, what temps do you see?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
[/u]
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| From: | Jeff B <topglock(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: evans, temps |
Jos,
I'm using Evans in Baby Blue. Yesterday was a fairly hot day, 90+ F.
Temps, on climb out were: Water 230F, CHT 230 - 240F, Oil 200F. Temps
in cruise are about: Water 200F, CHT 210F, Oil 190F. I've had
absolutely no problems with the Evans coolant. BTW, I'm using the
standard, Rotax supplied cap. Engine is a 912S.
Jeff - Baby Blue
304 hrs
josok wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is there still somebody using Evans,and if so, what temps do you see?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
> [/u]
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Fairall" <bob.fairall(at)fairalls.co.uk> |
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts
Sent: 23 July 2007 17:54
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
----- Original Message -----
From: Trevpond(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
OK. I have transferred the results so far to a spreadsheet which I have
copied and pasted below. I am not an expert so hope it works. Please fill
in the blanks. And send it back to the forum. If anyone has been missed off
I apologise but it is getting a little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the typical
landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
Completed
None found
Original
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing (1998)- no
worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BXDP
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
TrevPond
UK
G-LINN
Tri Gear
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
none
Bob Fairall
UK
G-BXLK
Mono
385
Grass
Completed
None found
2"
None
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| From: | "Richard Iddon" <riddon(at)sent.com> |
Richard.
Thanks for taking this on. I have attached the most complete spreadsheet
that I have managed to compile from results posted on the forum.
I also paste it below. You should be able to read one or the other.
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
46
Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
320
Both
Completed
None found
Original
None
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing (1998)-
no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
20
mixed
Completed
None found
1.9in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
60
Mostly Hard
Completed
None found
2in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BWDP
Mono
N/A
N/A
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
1250
Mostly Grass
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Mike Clews
UK
G-OMIK
Mono
500
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
nothing major
Arthur Orchard
uk
G-JOST
Tri Gear
17.5 hrs
Tar/Mac
completed
none found
original
nothing found
Colin Smallwood
UK
G-DEBR
Tri Gear
Tarmac
W.I.P
None found
2in
TP5 Port,Moved .25" Outboard
Alasdair Milne
UK
G-CBYN
Tri Gear
Completed
None
original
none
Trev Pond
UK
G-LINN
Tri Gear
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
none
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Holder
Sent: 23 July 2007 17:41
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 73 listing
Team
I don't know if anyone else has been having trouble
reading the list of completed Mod 73 aircraft. I have. I
just get a list with one item on each line.
I have taken the liberty of creating something much more
readable in .pdf format. Of course it is non-editable, but
I suggest that all other reports should come to me and I
will add them to the list and republish - say twice a
week. I am fairly certain that after the "tag your details
onto the end of this" approach, several sets of info have
been lost. I took this list from trevpond's email of this
afternoon.
To that end please check the attached .pdf and mail me
direct with any omissions, changes or additions.
The bad news is that when I post my results I will end up
destroying the perfect symmetry of "no TP6 disbonding
found" :-(
Richard Holder
G-OWWW High Cross
22/07/2007 19:02
22/07/2007 19:02
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| From: | "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi> |
| Subject: | Re: Europa colours |
Hi Rob
As I wrote
"I am not going to encourage anybody to paint their
Europa=B4s undersides any colour but white. I still well
remember Manual=B4s words: all the Europas must be white."
and
"I think - with other colour as white - it is better to be even more
careful. "
and
"Keep your full matt black Europa in the hangar and fly only night time
if
you wanna be absolutely sure"
Anyway - I called to my friend Jukka Paavolainen, who has build
and still flies his Lancair 320 OH-XJP. He said his Lancair is
just on ordinary glasfibre - epox system and definetely not baked
in high temparatures. Only the cowlings - because of the engine and
exhaust heat - has been made by more heat resistant phenolresins.
His Lancair kit is year model 1990 and so is my earlier example SE-XOP,
which is overall deepred and beautiful Swedish Lancair 320.
I believe newer models are as you described made by adanced composite
materials.
You wrote
" Park on a black surface and the solar energy absorbed by that surface
will be re-radiated to the underside of the aircraft, and if that
aircraft is any color but white it will absorb too much energy. "
and I still think you are wrong. I am going to talk to one
thermodynamist,
who works as a doctor in Tampere Univercity. Maybe he can make this
thing clear. I promise to come back and tell what he know. Also if I am
wrong...
Fly it - do not melt it...
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Housman
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa colours
Sorry Raimo, but this is dangerous thinking for those of us flying in
warmer climes.
In my previous post I deliberately avoided getting into too much
technical detail, and I used the word "reflected" where I should have
used the technically correct term "emitted."
First, you seem to misunderstand heat transfer. You are correct that
the sun's energy is not reflected from a black surface. However, a
"black body" is not only a perfect absorber but also a perfect emitter,
which is to say it may not be reflecting solar heating but it surely
emits it. Park on a black surface and the solar energy absorbed by that
surface will be re-radiated to the underside of the aircraft, and if
that aircraft is any color but white it will absorb too much energy.
Any material absorbing energy will increase in temperature. Sure, there
will be some re-radiation from the dark aircraft structure but that is
irrelevant because the epoxy-fiberglass will already have softened.
Second, the Lancair aircraft all use a different composite than
Europa. Here's how Lancair describes their composites on their web site
http://www.lancair.com/Main/legacy.html ---
"Like every Lancair, the Legacy's major airframe is constructed of
advanced composite materials. Cured at 270 degrees Fahrenheit under
vacuum pressure, these NASA tested, epoxy based composites are among the
lightest, strongest, stiffest materials known.
The high-temperature, pre-impregnated carbon fiber and/or fiberglass
systems combined with Nomex/honeycomb core materials are considered the
supreme composite airframe materials of choice worldwide."
Note that the Lancair's composites are cured at a much higher
temperature than the factory and we cure the Europa structural
components. The "glass transition temperature" is approximately the
cure temperature so softening of the composite does not begin until
approximately T sub g is reached. For a detailed explanation to T sub g
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_transition_temperature For our
purposes we can consider the glass transition temperature the softening
temperature, above which the structure loses a significant portion of
its strength.
Anyone contemplating painting a Europa any color other than white
(including yellow) should review the chart in the Builders Manual,
Figure 1, Colour-Temperature Relationship, on page 36-1 of the Europa XS
Tri-Gear Manual, Issue 1, dated 30 May 1998.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS Tri-Gear
S/N A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
Toivio
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:28 AM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
Rob,
I am not going to encourage anybody to paint their
Europa=B4s undersides any colour but white. I still well
remember Manual=B4s words: all the Europas must be white.
I still have to point out the energy of the sun is NOT
reflecting out of the black asphalt IMHO. That is why
it is hot when a sunny day. It absorbs allmost all the heat
energy and nothing is reflecting out. White surfaces are
cool because they are reflecting out much more.
So it could be more dangerous to keep it on the snow covered
surface while a sunny day (or on white sand or water w Europa
floats!).
In Sweden there has been 10 years a wonderful full colour mid red
Lancair 320
and no composite problems at all. Register # is SE-XOP (!). And like
we all know in South America (Columbia?) there is flying a total deep
yellow Europa.
I think - with other colour as white - it is better to be even more
careful.
Beauty is a good reason for some extra work and some sacrifice.
That is the fact all the women know. That is all.
"Keep your full matt black Europa in the hangar and fly only night
time if you wanna be absolutely sure"
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Housman
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa rules
Mike -
In re: dark paint
Don't even think about it. Where we live and fly, on warm days the
heat reflected off the ramp will be sufficient to soften the
epoxy-fiberglass enough to reduce the strength of the structure. Sure
it will be OK at altitude but you still have to climb away from the
surface. Folks flying closer to the Arctic Circle don't have to worry
about getting the airframe too hot.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS Tri-Gear
S/N A070
Airframe complete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:23 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa rules
Raimo,
Congratulations to you and your aircraft. I think we can all stand a
little taller and more proud when one of "our" planes tops the list of
all in an entire country.
Do you have any pix of you panel? Is the underside of your aircraft
really painted dark? Black, blue, brown? Any reasoning for this?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| From: | "gregoryf.flyboy" <gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcast.net> |
On July 23rd, Richard wrote:
>I have taken the liberty of creating something much more
>readable in .pdf format.
It doesn't hurt to have more than one way to present the list. We can pick
and choose which presentation to use.
> I don't know if anyone else has been having trouble
>reading the list of completed Mod 73 aircraft
I do not have any problems reading the mod 73 listings, using MS Outlook.
Maybe it is a setting in the editor? Check to see if your editor is using
HTML format settings, which may have better table or column support.
>I suggest that all other reports should come to me and I
>will add them to the list and republish - say twice a
>week.
Isn't someone already doing this? Do they still want to continue?
...
>I am fairly certain that after the "tag your details
>onto the end of this" approach, several sets of info have
>been lost.
Since the returned Mod 73 listings (for those who have done the mod) are all
the same except for the one line added, it can get a bit time consuming for
those that are tracking this information to sort through. It might be easier
if the listing is returned to the matronics server with only the header and
the one line of new information. For those that are tracking, this will cut
down on searching through the list each time, looking for the one (or three)
new entries.
Example:
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Trev Pond
UK
G-LINN
Tri Gear
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
none
There can even be a statement to keep from archiving, so that there are not
too many of these on the server. It would also be helpful to be sure to
respond to RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 listing only. That way
the person(s) tracking the info can do a simple search in his email editor
and pull up all the results.
This is only a suggestion, meant for smoother flow of information.
Regards,
Greg Fuchs A050
'Working in the wings
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| From: | Gert Dalgaard <lgds(at)post6.tele.dk> |
| Subject: | Re: Europa colours |
I only fly at night......
:-)
Gert
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/dalgaard/oygds.jpg
Den 23/07/2007 kl. 20.02 skrev Raimo Toivio:
> Hi Rob
>
> As I wrote
>
> "I am not going to encourage anybody to paint their
> Europa=B4s undersides any colour but white. I still well
>
> remember Manual=B4s words: all the Europas must be white."
>
>
> and
>
>
> "I think - with other colour as white - it is better to be even
> more careful. "
>
>
> and
>
>
> "Keep your full matt black Europa in the hangar and fly only night
> time if
>
> you wanna be absolutely sure"
>
>
> Anyway - I called to my friend Jukka Paavolainen, who has build
>
> and still flies his Lancair 320 OH-XJP. He said his Lancair is
>
> just on ordinary glasfibre - epox system and definetely not baked
>
> in high temparatures. Only the cowlings - because of the engine and
>
> exhaust heat - has been made by more heat resistant phenolresins.
>
>
> His Lancair kit is year model 1990 and so is my earlier example SE-
> XOP,
>
> which is overall deepred and beautiful Swedish Lancair 320.
>
>
> I believe newer models are as you described made by adanced
> composite materials.
>
>
> You wrote
>
>
> " Park on a black surface and the solar energy absorbed by that
> surface will be re-radiated to the underside of the aircraft, and
> if that aircraft is any color but white it will absorb too much
> energy. "
>
>
> and I still think you are wrong. I am going to talk to one
> thermodynamist,
>
> who works as a doctor in Tampere Univercity. Maybe he can make this
>
> thing clear. I promise to come back and tell what he know. Also if
> I am wrong...
>
>
> Fly it - do not melt it...
>
> Raimo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Housman
> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa colours
>
> Sorry Raimo, but this is dangerous thinking for those of us flying
> in warmer climes.
>
>
> In my previous post I deliberately avoided getting into too much
> technical detail, and I used the word =93reflected=94 where I should
> have used the technically correct term =93emitted.=94
>
>
> First, you seem to misunderstand heat transfer. You are correct
> that the sun=92s energy is not reflected from a black surface.
> However, a =93black body=94 is not only a perfect absorber but also a
> perfect emitter, which is to say it may not be reflecting solar
> heating but it surely emits it. Park on a black surface and the
> solar energy absorbed by that surface will be re-radiated to the
> underside of the aircraft, and if that aircraft is any color but
> white it will absorb too much energy. Any material absorbing
> energy will increase in temperature. Sure, there will be some re-
> radiation from the dark aircraft structure but that is irrelevant
> because the epoxy-fiberglass will already have softened.
>
>
> Second, the Lancair aircraft all use a different composite than
> Europa. Here=92s how Lancair describes their composites on their web
> sitehttp://www.lancair.com/Main/legacy.html ---
>
>
> =93Like every Lancair, the Legacy=92s major airframe is constructed of
> advanced composite materials. Cured at 270 degrees Fahrenheit under
> vacuum pressure, these NASA tested, epoxy based composites are
> among the lightest, strongest, stiffest materials known.
>
>
> The high-temperature, pre-impregnated carbon fiber and/or
> fiberglass systems combined with Nomex/honeycomb core materials are
> considered the supreme composite airframe materials of choice
> worldwide.=94
>
>
> Note that the Lancair=92s composites are cured at a much higher
> temperature than the factory and we cure the Europa structural
> components. The =93glass transition temperature=94 is approximately
> the cure temperature so softening of the composite does not begin
> until approximately T sub g is reached. For a detailed explanation
> to T sub g see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Glass_transition_temperature For our purposes we can consider the
> glass transition temperature the softening temperature, above which
> the structure loses a significant portion of its strength.
>
>
> Anyone contemplating painting a Europa any color other than white
> (including yellow) should review the chart in the Builders Manual,
> Figure 1, Colour-Temperature Relationship, on page 36-1 of the
> Europa XS Tri-Gear Manual, Issue 1, dated 30 May 1998.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Rob Housman
>
> Irvine, California
>
> Europa XS Tri-Gear
>
> S/N A070
>
> Airframe complete
>
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-
> list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:28 AM
> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
>
>
> Rob,
>
>
> I am not going to encourage anybody to paint their
>
> Europa=B4s undersides any colour but white. I still well
>
> remember Manual=B4s words: all the Europas must be white.
>
>
> I still have to point out the energy of the sun is NOT
>
> reflecting out of the black asphalt IMHO. That is why
>
> it is hot when a sunny day. It absorbs allmost all the heat
>
> energy and nothing is reflecting out. White surfaces are
>
> cool because they are reflecting out much more.
>
>
> So it could be more dangerous to keep it on the snow covered
>
> surface while a sunny day (or on white sand or water w Europa
> floats!).
>
>
> In Sweden there has been 10 years a wonderful full colour mid red
> Lancair 320
>
> and no composite problems at all. Register # is SE-XOP (!). And like
>
> we all know in South America (Columbia?) there is flying a total
> deep yellow Europa.
>
>
> I think - with other colour as white - it is better to be even more
> careful.
>
> Beauty is a good reason for some extra work and some sacrifice.
>
> That is the fact all the women know. That is all.
>
>
> "Keep your full matt black Europa in the hangar and fly only night
> time if you wanna be absolutely sure"
>
>
> Raimo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Rob Housman
>
> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 2:32 AM
>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa rules
>
>
> Mike '
>
>
> In re: dark paint
>
>
> Don=92t even think about it. Where we live and fly, on warm days the
> heat reflected off the ramp will be sufficient to soften the epoxy-
> fiberglass enough to reduce the strength of the structure. Sure it
> will be OK at altitude but you still have to climb away from the
> surface. Folks flying closer to the Arctic Circle don=92t have to
> worry about getting the airframe too hot.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Rob Housman
>
> Irvine, California
>
> Europa XS Tri-Gear
>
> S/N A070
>
> Airframe complete
>
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-
> list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:23 PM
> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa rules
>
>
> Raimo,
>
>
> Congratulations to you and your aircraft. I think we can all stand
> a little taller and more proud when one of "our" planes tops the
> list of all in an entire country.
>
>
> Do you have any pix of you panel? Is the underside of your aircraft
> really painted dark? Black, blue, brown? Any reasoning for this?
>
>
> Mike Duane A207A
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> Jabiru 3300
> Sensenich R64Z N
> Ground Adjustable Prop
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| From: | "Richard Iddon" <riddon(at)sent.com> |
I am happy to continue to add results to my spreadsheet. I will publish
a full listing once or twice a week as required.
Following on from Greg's suggestion, to keep it simple and save
bandwidth / storage space on the server, just send the raw data to the
forum or to me directly and I will append it to my table.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS My direct email address is riddon(at)sent.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gregoryf.flyboy
Sent: 23 July 2007 19:04
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 listing
On July 23rd, Richard wrote:
>I have taken the liberty of creating something much more
>readable in .pdf format.
It doesn't hurt to have more than one way to present the list. We can
pick and choose which presentation to use.
> I don't know if anyone else has been having trouble
>reading the list of completed Mod 73 aircraft
I do not have any problems reading the mod 73 listings, using MS
Outlook. Maybe it is a setting in the editor? Check to see if your
editor is using HTML format settings, which may have better table or
column support.
>I suggest that all other reports should come to me and I
>will add them to the list and republish - say twice a
>week.
Isn't someone already doing this? Do they still want to continue?
...
>I am fairly certain that after the "tag your details
>onto the end of this" approach, several sets of info have
>been lost.
Since the returned Mod 73 listings (for those who have done the mod) are
all the same except for the one line added, it can get a bit time
consuming for those that are tracking this information to sort through.
It might be easier if the listing is returned to the matronics server
with only the header and the one line of new information. For those that
are tracking, this will cut down on searching through the list each
time, looking for the one (or three) new entries.
Example:
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Trev Pond
UK
G-LINN
Tri Gear
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
none
There can even be a statement to keep from archiving, so that there are
not too many of these on the server. It would also be helpful to be
sure to respond to RE: Europa-List: Mod 73 listing
only. That way the person(s) tracking the info can do a simple search in
his email editor and pull up all the results.
This is only a suggestion, meant for smoother flow of information.
Regards,
Greg Fuchs A050
'Working in the wings
22/07/2007 19:02
22/07/2007 19:02
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| From: | "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi> |
| Subject: | Re: Europa rules |
Cheers Michael and Bob
Both of you wanted to see more
OH-XRT=B4s panel pics.
Please click a link below
http://www.ilmailu.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=18&page=6
and you will find 16 of them (pages 6 & 7).
Michael:
Yes - my Dynon is behing the gear lever.
And I do have complete access to the buttons
and the screen is clearly visible.
In fact this hole is like designed for little Dynon
- Ivan Shaw must be a really prognosticator when designing the Europa
panel!
Advantage: The screen is also in a good shadow and so more readable.
Disadvantage: you have to make a hole to the firewall, because
Dynon=B4s ass (D-connector) must protrude through it about 2" = 50 mm.
Otherwise it is impossible to retract the gear. I learned it by very
hard way!
I covered the hole and the connector by stainless steel box.
Wishes, Raimo
===========
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, The Experimental of The Year
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, totally restored 2006-2007
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45, w radial engines (grounded)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
----- Original Message -----
From: Michel AUVRAY
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Europa-List: Europa rules
hello Raimo,
IThanks for yours pictures, I see the panel picture, you install the
dynon efis behind the gear lever, do you see correctly the screen in
flight? and do you have complete acces to the buttons also in flight?
If you have others pictures panel please send to me.
Thanks
Michel AUVRAY
Builder 145 > 320 hours flight
-----Message d'origine-----
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]De la part de Raimo
Toivio
Envoy=E9 : vendredi 20 juillet 2007 01:28
=C0 : europa-list(at)matronics.com
Objet : Re: Re: Europa-List: Europa rules
Mike
Thank you.
I think Europa-owners are today the tallest pilots ever.
And still growing...
Attaced a panel pic - it was not completed half year ago.
I should take a more vendible pic some day.
The underside colour is really dark, RAL colour named unusual
blackred
(looks sometimes black, sometimes brown and sometimes purple).
The wing undersides and tailplane undersides has been painted like
triangle
- so Lady Windmaker Tuuli-Ilmatar looks like a bird when flying
over.
Reason: The main reason to exist for OUR Europa XRT is to be
beautiful.
We thought double colour underlines Europa Mono=B4s beautiful shape.
We do not like any strips or stars...
And if you can have white planes there in California, we can
definetely fly here by
cream colour plane (we fly most of the time top up of course)! Sun
is so
rare visitor here, unfortunately.
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:22 AM
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Raimo,
Congratulations to you and your aircraft. I think we can all stand
a little taller and more proud when one of "our" planes tops the list of
all in an entire country.
Do you have any pix of you panel? Is the underside of your
aircraft really painted dark? Black, blue, brown? Any reasoning for
this?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
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Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| Subject: | Re: evans, temps |
| From: | "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi> |
Hi Jeff,
These are the temperatures i would like too. Was there a significant change after
the first hours? At the moment i am seeing close to 130 C on a 13 C day on
climb-out. There are several changes to the standard system, and maybe that was
not a good idea.
Oh Michel, i don't remember asking for alternatives to Evans.
Kind Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
PS first flight pictures of OH-XJO in the gallery, under the flying Europa's chapter
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Pitt" <steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: evans, temps |
I echo Jeff's report. I have used Evans since the start but only during last
years very hot summer on my ground runs was I getting close to the maximum
water temps.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH 912S Trigear
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi> |
| Subject: | Re: Europa colours |
Gert, so beautiful is your plane!
I think we once met in Barkaby.
Anyway - your Europa has been one of my inspiring examples during the
years.
But it is obvious - you are living in a country of great design like
Bang&Olufsen.
But how dare you make a dark bottom, bad boy you are!
Any difficulties /delaminations?
Let me guess: not at all.
All the others:
By the way, what is the temp inside the cowlings when
taxiing long in a hot day? There, near by the critical areas.
I painted all the inside glass surfaces white and have a
heat reflecting & noise insulating firewall coating.
Moro, Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: Gert Dalgaard
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
I only fly at night......
:-)
Gert
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/dalgaard/oygds.jpg
Den 23/07/2007 kl. 20.02 skrev Raimo Toivio:
Hi Rob
As I wrote
"I am not going to encourage anybody to paint their
Europa=B4s undersides any colour but white. I still well
remember Manual=B4s words: all the Europas must be white."
and
"I think - with other colour as white - it is better to be even more
careful. "
and
"Keep your full matt black Europa in the hangar and fly only night
time if
you wanna be absolutely sure"
Anyway - I called to my friend Jukka Paavolainen, who has build
and still flies his Lancair 320 OH-XJP. He said his Lancair is
just on ordinary glasfibre - epox system and definetely not baked
in high temparatures. Only the cowlings - because of the engine and
exhaust heat - has been made by more heat resistant phenolresins.
His Lancair kit is year model 1990 and so is my earlier example
SE-XOP,
which is overall deepred and beautiful Swedish Lancair 320.
I believe newer models are as you described made by adanced
composite materials.
You wrote
" Park on a black surface and the solar energy absorbed by that
surface will be re-radiated to the underside of the aircraft, and if
that aircraft is any color but white it will absorb too much energy. "
and I still think you are wrong. I am going to talk to one
thermodynamist,
who works as a doctor in Tampere Univercity. Maybe he can make this
thing clear. I promise to come back and tell what he know. Also if I
am wrong...
Fly it - do not melt it...
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Housman
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa colours
Sorry Raimo, but this is dangerous thinking for those of us flying
in warmer climes.
In my previous post I deliberately avoided getting into too much
technical detail, and I used the word =93reflected=94 where I should
have used the technically correct term =93emitted.=94
First, you seem to misunderstand heat transfer. You are correct
that the sun=92s energy is not reflected from a black surface. However,
a =93black body=94 is not only a perfect absorber but also a perfect
emitter, which is to say it may not be reflecting solar heating but it
surely emits it. Park on a black surface and the solar energy absorbed
by that surface will be re-radiated to the underside of the aircraft,
and if that aircraft is any color but white it will absorb too much
energy. Any material absorbing energy will increase in temperature.
Sure, there will be some re-radiation from the dark aircraft structure
but that is irrelevant because the epoxy-fiberglass will already have
softened.
Second, the Lancair aircraft all use a different composite than
Europa. Here=92s how Lancair describes their composites on their web
sitehttp://www.lancair.com/Main/legacy.html ---
=93Like every Lancair, the Legacy=92s major airframe is
constructed of advanced composite materials. Cured at 270 degrees
Fahrenheit under vacuum pressure, these NASA tested, epoxy based
composites are among the lightest, strongest, stiffest materials known.
The high-temperature, pre-impregnated carbon fiber and/or
fiberglass systems combined with Nomex/honeycomb core materials are
considered the supreme composite airframe materials of choice
worldwide.=94
Note that the Lancair=92s composites are cured at a much higher
temperature than the factory and we cure the Europa structural
components. The =93glass transition temperature=94 is approximately the
cure temperature so softening of the composite does not begin until
approximately T sub g is reached. For a detailed explanation to T sub g
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_transition_temperature For our
purposes we can consider the glass transition temperature the softening
temperature, above which the structure loses a significant portion of
its strength.
Anyone contemplating painting a Europa any color other than white
(including yellow) should review the chart in the Builders Manual,
Figure 1, Colour-Temperature Relationship, on page 36-1 of the Europa XS
Tri-Gear Manual, Issue 1, dated 30 May 1998.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS Tri-Gear
S/N A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
Toivio
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:28 AM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa colours
Rob,
I am not going to encourage anybody to paint their
Europa=B4s undersides any colour but white. I still well
remember Manual=B4s words: all the Europas must be white.
I still have to point out the energy of the sun is NOT
reflecting out of the black asphalt IMHO. That is why
it is hot when a sunny day. It absorbs allmost all the heat
energy and nothing is reflecting out. White surfaces are
cool because they are reflecting out much more.
So it could be more dangerous to keep it on the snow covered
surface while a sunny day (or on white sand or water w Europa
floats!).
In Sweden there has been 10 years a wonderful full colour mid red
Lancair 320
and no composite problems at all. Register # is SE-XOP (!). And
like
we all know in South America (Columbia?) there is flying a total
deep yellow Europa.
I think - with other colour as white - it is better to be even
more careful.
Beauty is a good reason for some extra work and some sacrifice.
That is the fact all the women know. That is all.
"Keep your full matt black Europa in the hangar and fly only night
time if you wanna be absolutely sure"
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Housman
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa rules
Mike '
In re: dark paint
Don=92t even think about it. Where we live and fly, on warm
days the heat reflected off the ramp will be sufficient to soften the
epoxy-fiberglass enough to reduce the strength of the structure. Sure
it will be OK at altitude but you still have to climb away from the
surface. Folks flying closer to the Arctic Circle don=92t have to worry
about getting the airframe too hot.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS Tri-Gear
S/N A070
Airframe complete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:23 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa rules
Raimo,
Congratulations to you and your aircraft. I think we can all
stand a little taller and more proud when one of "our" planes tops the
list of all in an entire country.
Do you have any pix of you panel? Is the underside of your
aircraft really painted dark? Black, blue, brown? Any reasoning for
this?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| From: | jimpuglise(at)comcast.net |
I am installing a Dynon ASI / AOA indicator. The pitot tube should be parallel
to the direction of flight when in cruise. In order to install it, it is necessary
to set it with reference to the chord of the wing, but I don't see anywhere
what the angle of attack is. I also thought the spar might be 90 degrees
from the chord but it does not appear that that is the case.
How have others who are using the Dynon pitot tube set it?
Jim Puglise, A-283
I am installing a Dynon ASI / AOA indicator. The pitot tube should be
parallel to the direction of flight when in cruise. In order to install
it, it is necessary to set it with reference to the chord of the wing, but I
don't see anywhere what the angle of attack is. I also thought the spar
might be 90 degrees from the chord but it does not appear that that is the case.
How have others who are using the Dynon pitot tube set it?
Jim Puglise, A-283
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "m.clews" <m.clews(at)sky.com> |
| Subject: | Re: evans, temps |
Evans gives a higher but stable running temp. around 120degrees on our 914
Mike Clews
G-OMIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:45 PM
Subject: Europa-List: evans, temps
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is there still somebody using Evans,and if so, what temps do you see?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
> [/u]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Angle of Attack |
| From: | "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi> |
Hi Jim,
Can't see that this has to be absolutely without tolerance exactly parallel. The
dynon aoa indicator will be learning the exact difference between the pitot
and stall tube later during a series of test stalls. In will try to use the standard
europa pitot and the stall warner tube as inputs. Don't know if that works,
but will find it out in a week or so. I have the dynon asi/stall pitot, but
would prefer not to pull more tubes through the plane.
Kind Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Jones" <jron.jones(at)tiscali.co.uk> |
----- Original Message -----
From: Trevpond(at)aol.com
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 73 results
OK. I have transferred the results so far to a spreadsheet which I have
copied and pasted below. I am not an expert so hope it works. Please fill
in the blanks. And send it back to the forum. If anyone has been missed off
I apologise but it is getting a little complicated.
It would be useful to know the total A/C hours and possibly the typical
landig surface (grass/paved) to establish a correlation with failures?
Nigel
Name
Country
Reg
Type
Hours
Landing sfc.
Mod 73 progress
Disbonding of TP6
Pip Pins
Problems found
Richard Iddon
UK
G-RIXS
Tri gear
365
Tarmac
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Steve Pitt
UK
G-SMDH
Tri gear
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Ron Jones
UK
G-RJWX
Mono
320
Both
Completed
None found
Original
None
Tim Ward
NZ
ZK-TIM
Mono
Not done
None found
Original
Very slight movement in starboard TP12. Present on installing (1998)-
no worse
Danny Shepherd
UK
G-CERI
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
Pete Jeffers
UK
G-BVIZ
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
well within limits
Brian Davies
UK
G-DDBD
Tri Gear
Completed
None found
2in.
none
Graham Drake
UK
G-CCOV
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
Sarah Attubato
UK
G-BXDP
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
These are new replacement tailplanes that had already been built
David Watts
UK
G-BXDY
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
Nigel Charles
UK
G-MIME
Mono
Completed
None found
2in.
nothing major
Trev Pond
UK
G-LINN
Tri Gear
Grass
Completed
None found
Original
none
________________________________________________________________________________
The angle of incidence (NOT to be confused with the AOA) is set to 2.5
degrees as measured at the wing root per the Builders Manual chapter on
"Wing to Fuselage Assembly". That is, the chord is 2.5 degrees up at the
leading edge, relative to the "waterline" of the fuselage (the waterline
reference in this case being the pilot's side door sill). Since the wing is
designed to stall first at the root, the angle of incidence decreases toward
the wing tip. I don't think that the manual tells us how much the angle of
incidence varies but it should not be necessary to know this for setting the
pitot tube angle.
Since a fixed pitot tube can not be set parallel to the relative wind except
at specific combinations of gross weight and airspeed, I suspect that what
Dynon really wants is for the pitot tube be parallel to the longitudinal
axis of the airframe, and close to the angle of incidence of the wing, with
compensation for any deviation from its preferred angle of incidence being
applied by calibration of the instrument.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS Tri-Gear
S/N A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jimpuglise(at)comcast.net
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Angle of Attack
I am installing a Dynon ASI / AOA indicator. The pitot tube should be
parallel to the direction of flight when in cruise. In order to install it,
it is necessary to set it with reference to the chord of the wing, but I
don't see anywhere what the angle of attack is. I also thought the spar
might be 90 degrees from the chord but it does not appear that that is the
case.
How have others who are using the Dynon pitot tube set it?
Jim Puglise, A-283
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jimpuglise(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Angle of Attack |
Jos-
If you want to use the AOA indicator, they say that you must use the Dynon pitot.
It has a second hole in it at about a 60 degree angle from the pitot and the
Dynon computer looks at the difference between the two inputs. I have installed
both that and the Europa pitot and will use the Europa pitot to drive a
steam gauge backup ASI and the Dynon pitot to drive the Dynon. I will share the
static source from the Europa tube.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Can't see that this has to be absolutely without tolerance exactly parallel.
The
> dynon aoa indicator will be learning the exact difference between the pitot and
> stall tube later during a series of test stalls. In will try to use the standard
> europa pitot and the stall warner tube as inputs. Don't know if that works, but
> will find it out in a week or so. I have the dynon asi/stall pitot, but would
> prefer not to pull more tubes through the plane.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jos-
If you want to use the AOA indicator, they say that you must use the Dynon
pitot. It has a second hole in it at about a 60 degree angle from the pitot
and the Dynon computer looks at the difference between the two inputs.
I have installed both that and the Europa pitot and will use the Europa pitot
to drive a steam gauge backup ASI and the Dynon pitot to drive the Dynon.
I will share the static source from the Europa tube.
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi> <BR><BR>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <JOSOK-E(at)UKOLO.FI><BR>> <BR>> Hi Jim, <BR>> <BR>> Can't see that this has to be absolutely without tolerance exactly parallel. The <BR>> dynon aoa indicator will be learning the exact difference between the pitot and <BR>> stall tube later during a series of test stalls. In will try to use the standard <BR>> europa pitot and the stall warner tube as inputs. Don't know if that works, but <BR>> will find it out in a week or so. I have the dynon asi/stall pitot, but would <BR>> prefer not to pull more tubes through the plane. <BR>> <BR>> Kind Regards, <BR>> <BR>> Jos Okhuijsen <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>&
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| From: | "karelvranken" <karelvranken(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Congratulations Jos. Suomi is becoming a great "Europa" nation. We also may
thank you for your valuable contribution during your building.
Happy landings!
Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL now 60 hours of joy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Europa-List: First flight
>
> Today, at the hands of Ivan Shaw the Northernmost built and based Europa
> XS kit 600 OH-XJO took the air.
>
> It flies great, ball in the middle, no hands on the controls, no tabs. Far
> better then i expected :-) and i am still baffled. Temperatures are a bit
> high on the Dynon, but it's probably one of the sensors, since the engine
> does not feel hot.
>
> For the records: It's a XS monowheel, with a Rotax 914ULS, Woodcomp SR
> 3000, Smart Avionics CSG-1/G cs controller, Dynon 180, 2 generators, 2
> batteries, 409 kg or 901 pounds on the scale. Built started end October
> 2003, and i counted about 2300 hours on the job, including some 40 hours
> for the upholsterer fitting the Europa interior kit, 250 hours for the
> filler and sander, and 90 hours for the painters.
>
> My thanks go out to all who have helped with good advice, moral support,
> hands on work, or just good criticism. The list of names is too long to
> mention, and i would risk forgetting somebody, but i can't go around
> without mentioning Raimo Toivio who advised to buy a plane if flying was
> the objective, William Mills and Dave Buzz, accompanied by Paul Sweeting
> and Graham Singleton, who flew all the way up here to boost the build,
> Andy and Nev, John and Roger wit h good advice and the right articles at
> the right time.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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| From: | Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Angle of Attack |
Jim
does the Dynon use the 60deg. hole as static? or does it have two pitots
and a static.?
Graham
jimpuglise(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Jos-
>
> If you want to use the AOA indicator, they say that you must use the
> Dynon pitot. It has a second hole in it at about a 60 degree angle from
> the pitot and the Dynon computer looks at the difference between the two
> inputs. I have installed both that and the Europa pitot and will use
> the Europa pitot to drive a steam gauge backup ASI and the Dynon pitot
> to drive the Dynon. I will share the static source from the Europa tube.
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "josok" <josok-e(at)ukolo.fi>
>
> >
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > Can't see that this has to be absolutely without tolerance
> exactly parallel. The
> > dynon aoa indicator will be learning the exact difference between
> the pitot and
> > stall tube later during a series of test stalls. In will try to
> use the standard
> > europa pitot and the stall warner tube as inputs. Don't know if
> that works, but
> > will find it out in a week or so. I have the dynon asi/stall
> pitot, but would
> > prefer not to pull more tubes through the plane.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Jos Okhuijsen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> & gt; **
>
> **
>
>
> **
--
Graham Singleton
Tel: +441629820187
Mob: +447739582005
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| From: | Rman <topglock(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: evans, temps |
Jos,
The only change I made to the system was to drop the water cooler about
1" and seal it to the bottom of the cowl with a rubber seal. I also
sealed the ends. All air is forced through the coolers, nothing goes
around. That helped temps, noticeably. Temps were somewhat high for
almost 100 hours. After that, they dropped markedly. Guess it takes
that long to break in the 912S...
Jeff - Baby Blue
josok wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> These are the temperatures i would like too. Was there a significant change after
the first hours? At the moment i am seeing close to 130 C on a 13 C day on
climb-out. There are several changes to the standard system, and maybe that
was not a good idea.
>
> Oh Michel, i don't remember asking for alternatives to Evans.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
> PS first flight pictures of OH-XJO in the gallery, under the flying Europa's
chapter
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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| From: | "Finklea" <finklea(at)bellsouth.net> |
Does anyone use extended range fuel tanks and if so, what type and where?
Thanks
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125449#125449
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| From: | "Richard Iddon" <riddon(at)sent.com> |
I should be at Shobdon for lunch today, around midday. Will be pleased
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