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February 07, 2022 - April 19, 2022
After pulling out the last of the instrument panel sections to flip the trim switch
upside down and finish giving all the aircrafts electrical terminals a safety
assessment the plane and I went for a lazy local flight trying to keep it
under 80kt so the 100hp Savannah could keep up; 75kt and feeling a little bit
mushy, still no chance for the Savannah... first approach floated a bit too deep
for comfort so went around... second approach brought it down at a steady
60kt and 500fpm; rounded out, kept the height steady as the stick came back, attitude
felt right, heard the rumble of the main and tail wheels spooling up;
greased it on, back tracked, packed up, went home happy.
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 1/31 - 2/7 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Sounds great. But.... whats a Savannah?
I did a google search and, assuming its an airplane, found something that looks
like a Zenith 750 made by a company in Italy. Is that it?
Chris
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| Subject: | Dutch Europa accident presentation |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Hi,
I really wanted to attend the Europa Club presentation on the Dutch Europa accident
but work obligations tied me up and by the time I logged in the meeting ended
two minutes later :(
Were there any highlights during the presentation that are not in the Dutch accident
report?
As I understand from the report, it just talks about an elevator trim in the full
nose down position and gusty winds which may have caused the pilot to overcontrol
and pitch up excessively during takeoff.
Any other info brought up during this presentation?
Best,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 1/31 - 2/7 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Correct Chris; thats the one... very rugged and capable STOL performer.. its a
challenge to fly together as both aircraft are operating close to opposite ends
of the envelope. The europa really needs flaps deployed to allow the savannah
to keep up.
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 1/31 - 2/7 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Cool
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| Subject: | Re: Dutch Europa accident presentation |
| From: | "Hitchflight" <bobhitchcock(at)icloud.com> |
Fabulous respectful presentation. Very detailed. We were honoured by the presence
of three of the report contributors. From the Dutch Safety Board; Atze Samplonius,
UK Air Accident Investigation Branch; Alan Thorne. Plus of course Tim
Weert who supported the investigation .
Tim Weert gave a two hour solo presentation to sixty six Club members. Including
answering half a dozen detailed searching questions and observations from the
audience.
For me and my own NLP I was able to assimilate the exhaustive information in the
report more easily. Aiding my understanding of the likely chain of events. And
most importantly the likely startle and surprise scenario experienced by the
pilot. That led to me thinking what would or could be done in the moment, which
I guess was the object of Tims presentation. So as an instructor, Tim succeeded
with me. And judging by the applause most of the audience agreed.
So Im sorry to have to say you missed a good one Chris. Where permissions, GDPR
compliance and technology allow the Club like to video for the benefit those
Club Members in other time zones. This time it was not possible. We aspire to
have selected references to the incident and the presentation in the next Club
magazine.
Regards
Bob
PS Hope you are still enjoying your newly born Europa!
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| Subject: | Re: Dutch Europa accident presentation |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Than you for the report Bob.
Yes, I am sorry too that I missed it.
But it sounds like a great idea if Tim could prepare an article for one of the
Club's magazines where his views of this "startling" issue and ways to deal with
it were discussed.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Control Column Boot |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Hi,
I have been flying my Europa for almost a year now and there are a few things here
and there I still need to complete particularly now that I intend to start
touring a bit more with a passenger.
One of those things is the control column boots. I wonder if someone out there
has some pictures and a pattern for a control column solution? It would sure help
cut down on the effort required to come up with something that works properly.
I did find a couple of pictures in the Europa Owner forum but nothing on this one.
Thanks,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/7 - 2/14 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
So I continued the tweaking and test flying of the new engine and I think at this
point everything is working well, including the MGL EMS-1.
Since now the workload has gone down a little, I have been taking care of a few
things that needed to be completed:
1.- Although I have an AV-30 and plenty of GPSs I thought that the nice Sirs compass
I got with the kit could not go to waste and installed it. Kind of compliments
my old fashioned looking round gage panel :)
2.- Since I intend to fly this airplane from grass often, I installed the gear
down latch spring modification. Tested it yesterday and it works nice. Much better
than the latch with no spring.
3.- My doors were already built and didn't have the door latch guards. Although
it was OK while I flew alone, now that I intend to go touring with my wife more
often I am now working on bonding a couple of guards.
Other things in my list are finally installing carpets, control column boots, the
speed kit I got with the kit (mono) and I would really like to do the cockpit
widening mod since I have the kit and it is really annoying to have to lead
sideways to not have your arm resting against the narrow door sill all the time.
Best,
Chris
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| From: | timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
=EF=BBHi Chris,
Many years ago I persuaded the local leather-man to produce some Control Col
umn Boots for Europa Builders and posted them when flying to Heathrow or LAX
.
Now retired, and with the Christchurch earthquake taking out the leather-man
=99s shop,
I haven=99t produced them for awhile. However, I did end up with one, d
on=99t know how, which I can send to you to make a copy and reproduce.
Photo below. If you only need one then mission accomplished.
Cheers,
Tim
Sent from my iPad
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
021 0640221
> On 9/02/2022, at 8:25 AM, n7188u wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been flying my Europa for almost a year now and there are a few thi
ngs here and there I still need to complete particularly now that I intend t
o start touring a bit more with a passenger.
>
> One of those things is the control column boots. I wonder if someone out t
here has some pictures and a pattern for a control column solution? It would
sure help cut down on the effort required to come up with something that wo
rks properly.
>
> I did find a couple of pictures in the Europa Owner forum but nothing on t
his one.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505929#505929
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Tim,
Thanks for the offer and I would gladly accept it. Please let me know how we can
arrange to have it shipped to me. My address is:
Chris Martin
1805 Chandelle Court
Port Orange, FL 32128
USA
I remember seeing a picture of some sort of instructions for your boot. Do you
still have it? If not NP, I think I can figure it out.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris
When I was strengthening floor left gap around flange for Velcro to hold stick
boot:
http://www.europaowners.org/gallery2/v/Begin-06-2003/Cockpit+lower+half/album237/
Wires going to and coming out of stick sneak through the gap left between top and
side flange.
The top / side and bottom flange were separate layups.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the info and pictures Ron. Good info.
Found your floor reinforcing part interesting. A single layer of glass is certainly
not a lot to support large weight of someone getting into the airplane. The
LongEZ has a reinforcement on the aft seat floor fir that same reason.
Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris
I used 2 layers of BID (2BID) Ron
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| Subject: | 3D view of carburetor working |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Group
Here's a link to video that allows 3D view of carburetor working:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toVfvRhWbj8
Next iteration video to be more Rotax specific can incorporate Constant Depression
feature showing how some leaning at altitude works and why it's critical to
vent float bowl to airbox when turbo charged and how selecting impact air going
to float bowl richens mixture.
Oh well, for now enjoy Carb 101.
Ron P.
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| From: | timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
=EF=BB
=EF=BBHi Chris,
I shall drop it in the post, no problem. Unpick the thread and get measureme
nts for a leather-man or yourself to copy with your chosen colour, I suggest
.
Installation:
Create a fibreglass semi circular (elongated) fence from Tufnell control bea
ring housing, on the floor of the footwell, about 50mm high. Feed the boot d
own the control column. It goes over the outside of the fence, stuck down an
d secured with Velcro.
Also along the outer surfaces of the Tufnell control bearing housing. Tie bo
ot on stick. Complete!
Cheers,
Tim
Sent from my iPad
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
021 0640221
> On 9/02/2022, at 11:58 AM, n7188u wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Thanks for the offer and I would gladly accept it. Please let me know how w
e can arrange to have it shipped to me. My address is:
>
> Chris Martin
> 1805 Chandelle Court
> Port Orange, FL 32128
> USA
>
> I remember seeing a picture of some sort of instructions for your boot. Do
you still have it? If not NP, I think I can figure it out.
>
> Chris
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| From: | Tim Ward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
Chris,
Now posted so not sure how many daysweeks.months it will t
ake these days! No tracking so might get lost in the ether,
the upper regions of space; the clear sky; the heavens.!!!!
Good luck, report back.
Need further help call
Sent from my iPhone
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton
CHRISTCHURCH 8052
Hom 03315166
> On 9/02/2022, at 14:32, timward wrote:
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> =EF=BB
> =EF=BB
> =EF=BBHi Chris,
> I shall drop it in the post, no problem. Unpick the thread and get measure
ments for a leather-man or yourself to copy with your chosen colour, I sugge
st.
> Installation:
> Create a fibreglass semi circular (elongated) fence from Tufnell control b
earing housing, on the floor of the footwell, about 50mm high. Feed the boo
t down the control column. It goes over the outside of the fence, stuck down
and secured with Velcro.
> Also along the outer surfaces of the Tufnell control bearing housing. Tie b
oot on stick. Complete!
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand.
> ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
> 021 0640221
>
>>> On 9/02/2022, at 11:58 AM, n7188u wrote:
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>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> Thanks for the offer and I would gladly accept it. Please let me know how
we can arrange to have it shipped to me. My address is:
>>
>> Chris Martin
>> 1805 Chandelle Court
>> Port Orange, FL 32128
>> USA
>>
>> I remember seeing a picture of some sort of instructions for your boot. D
o you still have it? If not NP, I think I can figure it out.
>>
>> Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks So much Tim. This will certainly make it easier. It may certainly go by
space mail for all we know but I am confident that it will get here.
Ron, I meant that the original floor had a single layer. I saw in your posting
that you added a balsa core plus the two layers of glass. I think that was wise.
Chris
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| Subject: | To gill or not to gill |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Hello Forum Members,
Quick question, I never opened my top cowling aft gills. Temp strips installed
inside the engine compartment confirm that my voltage regulator at the firewall,
the battery also at the firewall and the engine's ignition modules are all
running bellow the strips minimum temperature of 130F.
In general I am battling low oil temperatures even during climbs in summer where
the temps are normal.
I searched in the forums for info on this subject and it seems the consensus gravitates
toward not opening the gills.
Any thoughts?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: To gill or not to gill |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris
As far as cooling goes, can you answer some questions so we have a better understanding
on your 912S with fixed pitch Mono XS:
** Are you using supplied oil and coolant radiator
** What coolant are you using
** What is max. CHT and Coolant Temps you have seen, on ground and in flight
** Did you calibrate your CHT, OT and Coolant temp gauges
** What is maximum cylinder wall Temps you have seen?
** Are you using factory firewall, or did you do something else like put on aft
side of UCMF like Bud suggests on a mono
** What is your gap between the aft side of your radiator duct and firewall
** What procedure do you use to shut down when you know you will be doing a hot
start
** How does your engine start when hot
** Are your intake eyeballs factory size
** Did you do anything for eyeballs to aid flow on the inside of the cowl
** Did you modify the radiator duct entrance intake lip
** Is your radiator duct sealed really well from front to back along with your
radiators
I think one feature of gills is to cool engine upon shut down. Many open oil and
coolant access doors.
I read a note from Andy somewhere that he was test flying a Mono without doors,
he decided to reach out and check gills and couldn't believe just how much heat
was coming out of them.
I'm not flying yet, but have heard often you won't overheat on ground if you have
your top cowl off on a Mono. Stuck on ground too long I believe makes many
a mono get hot under the collar. I added 2 cooling fans that exit the gills. I'm
using two long can speed 400 electric motors they exit air out of the gills.
I have it set up where you can series or parallel motors. On low draw is 3 amps
and moves a reasonable amount of air. On high they move a ton of air at a
pretty darn high pitch speed. I forget exact pitch speed, but not far off from
leaf blower speed outside the cowl! Amp draw on high is 16 amps. I have a SD20S
sitting on the vacuum pad which pretty much has a 100% duty cycle but doesn't
put out too much at lower RPMs. I have a internal Dynamo that works better
at lower RPMs, but best keep draw under 12 amps if you want a long life. I choose
cooler, so if stuck on ground and getting hot, course pitch, cowl flap full
open, try and aim into wind and have a higher RPM and turn off internal Dynamo
and put gill fans on high. Will also put on low for a while upon shut down
to keep things cool.
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris
I took some pics of stick boot info I have in my Build Manual last night figuring
it may help you:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9Vgec8hQfchfRdWHJcNA?e=Pgt1uj
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: To gill or not to gill |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
That's a lot of questions Ron :) and I will answer what I remember right now, with
a little more time on the ones I don't:
** Are you using supplied oil and coolant radiator
> Yes
** What coolant are you using
> Dexcool 50/50.
** What is max. CHT and Coolant Temps you have seen, on ground and in flight
> I think around 200-210 (old CHT and oil) in the middle of summer. With the new
engine I have seen around 180-185F max water and oil temps, more typical it
has been 165-175F (even with a quart of the oil cooler taped over. but OAT are
in the order of 50-65F. Both oil and water tend to track the same with oil being
a little colder.
** Did you calibrate your CHT, OT and Coolant temp gauges
> Yes with the previous engine. Not with the new.
** What is maximum cylinder wall Temps you have seen?
> Unknown
** Are you using factory firewall, or did you do something else like put on aft
side of UCMF like Bud suggests on a mono
> I have a Bud Yerly firewall for the mono. Really cool (probably literally).
** What is your gap between the aft side of your radiator duct and firewall
> Will have to look but Bud's firewall provides lots of clearance and a relatively
smooth transition for the air to flow out.
** What procedure do you use to shut down when you know you will be doing a hot
start
> I always follow what Rotax says in the OM. Cool down at least two minutes, got
o low idle (1400) turn off one ignition, wait a few seconds then the other.
** How does your engine start when hot
> Perfectly
** Are your intake eyeballs factory size
> Yes
** Did you do anything for eyeballs to aid flow on the inside of the cowl
> No
** Did you modify the radiator duct entrance intake lip
> Yes. Diffusers on both top and bottom. On the sides the duct just ends with some
rubber seals sealing most of the gap. The intent was to also add diffusers
to the sides later on but it is so good right now I am not bothering yet. I also
modified the duct, making it's top straighter to keep the x-sectional area
almost constant (muffler clearance permitting) until a few inches from the coolers
and then the area opens up relatively fast to drop the speed and raise the
air pressure just before it hits the coolers.
** Is your radiator duct sealed really well from front to back along with your
radiators
> Very very well. The duct and coolers are totally sealed with no gaps where air
could escape around them.
As I said, I really have no cooling issues so far. Don't know what will happen
when I go to Oshkosh and have to wait a long time to depart but compared to my
LongEZ I can run it on the ground and climb forever in the Florida heat and had
no issues so far. I attribute that to Bud's firewall and the duct/coolers sealing,
baffling and intake lip mods I implemented.
Chris
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| From: | Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | To gill or not to gill |
Chris,
Cooling gills are an issue for some Classics and XS but if the draw out the
bottom cowl is good, you will not need them. If the firewall is made as i
n Cooling 101 on my website, and it all works, leave it. But test.
The 912 and most 912S engines will slightly over cool if all the cooling mo
ds are done. 914s tend to run hotter, especially in the climb.
Cool oil this time of year is not uncommon with a 912. One can set up a bu
tterfly over the bottom of the glycol cooler on an XS to warm up the oil bu
t don't forget and leave it closed. This warms for takeoff and is adjustab
le in flight. Creighton Smith used a Lenovo glycol to oil cooler and it wo
rks really well summer and winter in his Classic. Some have oil thermostat
s, and these are tolerable for most.
Like Ron mentioned. Simply test. Does the oil cool in the climb fine in mi
d summer and this is only a cruise problem. If cool all the time, check th
e sensor, if it is OK, use aluminum tape to partially block the oil cooler
face and fly. I use a thermocouple to check my under hood temps rather tha
n tapes, but the process is the same. Harbor Freight $50 and a long probe
to monitor the oil temp and other components. It works for testing just li
ke the tapes.
I use my gills as a forced air exit for my footwell mounted fan cooled TCU/
Servo box. I left the other as is for symmetry. It's an experimental! Ta
pe over the gills and if all is OK fill them. On some I removed the gills
and put in an access panel for a battery plug. On the other side, a small
access door to store the funnel for glycol filling and oil filling.
It will get hot in a few months. Test again in full summer. Make your dec
ision, then paint. It is better to do the painting in the summer mornings
anyway.
If you do everything to cool, most of the time the 912 engine will overcool
. Make a cowl flap to close off the exit or put a butterfly in the inlet.
On an XS, a butterfly can be done and a mechanical push pull and arm mecha
nism will not have to be disconnected to remove the cowl. That=92s conveni
ent.
If the cowl flap is chosen it affects both the glycol and oil temps. That
may not be convenient. The butterfly can be oil only or do one for both oi
l and glycol. That=92s convenient too.
Cowl flaps are best to be moved electrically as the cowl flap mechanism has
to be attached to the cowl. It is far easier to remove a plug on the top
of the footwell rather than a linkage. Make an electronic thermostat contr
ol using an Arduino and some sensors if you want. No matter how simple, a
cowl flap with a mechanical linkage requires me to crawl under the airplane
. That is not hard, it is the getting back up that=92s hard.
Enjoy your plane. Sounds like you are having fun. That is the point of bu
ilding.
Bud Yerly
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Hello Forum Members,
Quick question, I never opened my top cowling aft gills. Temp strips instal
led inside the engine compartment confirm that my voltage regulator at the
firewall, the battery also at the firewall and the engine's ignition module
s are all running bellow the strips minimum temperature of 130F.
In general I am battling low oil temperatures even during climbs in summer
where the temps are normal.
I searched in the forums for info on this subject and it seems the consensu
s gravitates toward not opening the gills.
Any thoughts?
Chris
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| From: | Pete Zut <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: To gill or not to gill |
Fwiw i luv this cheap bluetooth thermometer for undercowl temp monitoring.
Even logs snd graphs.
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B08S32598J/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_plhdr=t&
aaxitk=fa618ac76940a7a559b575ec82cdd4fb&hsa_cr_id=3515932720301&ref_=
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Cheers peteZ
On Wed., Feb. 9, 2022, 5:28 p.m. Bud Yerly, wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Cooling gills are an issue for some Classics and XS but if the draw out
> the bottom cowl is good, you will not need them. If the firewall is made
> as in Cooling 101 on my website, and it all works, leave it. But test.
>
> The 912 and most 912S engines will slightly over cool if all the cooling
> mods are done. 914s tend to run hotter, especially in the climb.
>
>
> Cool oil this time of year is not uncommon with a 912. One can set up a
> butterfly over the bottom of the glycol cooler on an XS to warm up the oi
l
> but don't forget and leave it closed. This warms for takeoff and is
> adjustable in flight. Creighton Smith used a Lenovo glycol to oil cooler
> and it works really well summer and winter in his *Classic*. Some have
> oil thermostats, and these are tolerable for most.
>
>
> Like Ron mentioned. Simply test. Does the oil cool in the climb fine in
> mid summer and this is only a cruise problem. If cool all the time,
> check the sensor, if it is OK, use aluminum tape to partially block the o
il
> cooler face and fly. I use a thermocouple to check my under hood temps
> rather than tapes, but the process is the same. Harbor Freight $50 and a
> long probe to monitor the oil temp and other components. It works for
> testing just like the tapes.
>
>
> I use my gills as a forced air exit for my footwell mounted fan cooled
> TCU/Servo box. I left the other as is for symmetry. It's an
> experimental! Tape over the gills and if all is OK fill them. On some I
> removed the gills and put in an access panel for a battery plug. On the
> other side, a small access door to store the funnel for glycol filling an
d
> oil filling.
>
>
> It will get hot in a few months. Test again in full summer. Make your
> decision, then paint. It is better to do the painting in the summer
> mornings anyway.
>
>
> If you do everything to cool, most of the time the 912 engine will
> overcool. Make a cowl flap to close off the exit or put a butterfly in
> the inlet. On an XS, a butterfly can be done and a mechanical push pull
> and arm mechanism will not have to be disconnected to remove the cowl. T
hat=99s
> convenient.
>
> If the cowl flap is chosen it affects both the glycol and oil temps. Tha
t
> may not be convenient. The butterfly can be oil only or do one for both
> oil and glycol. That=99s convenient too.
>
>
> Cowl flaps are best to be moved electrically as the cowl flap mechanism
> has to be attached to the cowl. It is far easier to remove a plug on the
> top of the footwell rather than a linkage. Make an electronic thermostat
> control using an Arduino and some sensors if you want. No matter how
> simple, a cowl flap with a mechanical linkage requires me to crawl under
> the airplane. That is not hard, it is the getting back up that=99s
hard.
>
>
> Enjoy your plane. Sounds like you are having fun. That is the point of
> building.
>
>
> Bud Yerly
>
>
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> owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com> On Behalf Of n7188u
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2022 2:01 PM
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> Subject: Europa-List: To gill or not to gill
>
>
> Hello Forum Members,
>
>
> Quick question, I never opened my top cowling aft gills. Temp strips
> installed inside the engine compartment confirm that my voltage regulator
> at the firewall, the battery also at the firewall and the engine's igniti
on
> modules are all running bellow the strips minimum temperature of 130F.
>
>
> In general I am battling low oil temperatures even during climbs in summe
r
> where the temps are normal.
>
>
> I searched in the forums for info on this subject and it seems the
> consensus gravitates toward not opening the gills.
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Chris
>
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| Subject: | Re: To gill or not to gill |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris
If under severe conditions you are keeping things cool when hot out with shut down,
long climbs and long ground operations, guess you can leave them closed.
A few points:
** CHT is not the same as Coolant Temps. To measure Coolant temps, you measure
in the inlet hose between collector pot and coolant radiator.
** Worth while to calibrate new senders
** 912S install manual wants you to measure cylinder wall temps and make sure you
can stay below their maximum, worth while to measure under harshest environment,
temp mount sender along cylinder wall using a screw between fins to temporarily
hold it in position
Have fun!
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: To gill or not to gill |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the very informative feedback.
Bud, I will toy with the idea of installing some sort of adjustable flap at the
oil cooler.
Ron, my engine has the new style heads so it measures coolant temp, but yes, at
the heads and not in the location you describe.
The MGL EMS has calibration curves for the VDO sensors used in the Rotax. But yes,
how accurate they are is unknown until verified. All grounds for the EMS run
to the engine so I expect some descent accuracy. Will do some verification
activities this weekend.
And yes, I am enjoying my mono very much. Now that landing it has become second
nature I am really having a good time with it. I only bounce it when I get lazy
and don't hold the nose high enough (almost on purpose) but they are just non
events. I have 120 hrs on it and I haven't reached a year (started flying it
at end of March last year). That's almost twice what I normally fly in a year!
And I think I'll put a lot more hours on it this year as I am planning some
good trips with it.
Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Ron. Downloaded the info and between this and the boot Tim sent me I will
be able to put something together to build a set for my airplane.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: To gill or not to gill |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris I vaguely remember reading about the new style cylinder head but it never
stuck in my mind because I have the old style that just measures cylinder
head temp. I think what you have is all that's needed to measure coolant temp.
One would think that ground of sensors would be terrific, but according to Lockwood
especially on an engine with some time on it, grounds can go flaky. They
say the Loctite insulates, they want first 2 threads left bare to allow a better
ground. I turned a copper pipe to dimensions of senders and soldered a piece
of solid #14 Romax wire to it, then clamped to sensor/senders. The ground
wire is soldered to the Romax wire, but there is enough of a tail on the Romax
to support the wire so chances of a fatigue fracture at the solder joint is way
reduced. all ground wires run the the field of tabs on the firewall. The instrument
grounds also run to the field of tabs. Here's some pics:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9V331eDH8FS0IuqGX8?e=JD8tAG
Also every electrical connection gets a drop of CRC 2-56 after getting Scotchbrighted,
all PIDG connections get bent closed, but I use my small Swiss Army knife
small flatblade screwdriver inserted in the lead edge of the PIDG just a small
way before bending closed so insertion is made much easier.
I purchased clamps from McMaster:
https://www.mcmaster.com/hose-clamps/tight-seal-bolt-clamps-for-soft-hose-and-tube-8/
The 304 with stainless screw.
I'm not sure if your new engine has the same oil pressure sender as I do, the crappy
VDO. I have the original sender only and purchased one from Lockwood with
a switch as well. I fooled with both of them and they are off from each other
by at least 15%. I have UMA instruments so have some adjustment when I calibrate.
BTW when copper oxidizes it is extremely resistive. When silver tarnishes it's
still about 50% conductive. Cool Amp allows you to silver plate. It's a salt,
so whatever you are doing make sure you can wash away everything with water. No
tapped or blind holes. If something is giving you a hassle, silver plate it.
Works with copper and brass. solders very easy. I have a piece of copper in my
back yard now a few decades old and the silver plate is still there, all the
copper is way beyond conductive. If you ask pretty please, you can get a free
sample:
https://www.cool-amp.com/cool-amp
They also sell Conducto Lube that's a grease with a lot of silver in it.
I didn't bother silver plating my sensor/senders. Will do so if I have a problem.
Ron
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| Subject: | Europa Aircraft Service Update received by the Europa Club |
| From: | "Hitchflight" <bobhitchcock(at)icloud.com> |
https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/europa-aircraft-service-update
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| Subject: | Lining the interior help please |
| From: | "daaza22" <royledarren(at)gmail.com> |
Hi everybody...
Can anyone give me a rough idea of how much Lining Carpet i will need for my
interior (which as the extended baggage area )?
I am thinking of using Camper Van Lining Carpet with 4 Way Stretch .
is that a good choice ?
Any input welcome .
Cheers Darren
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| From: | Steve Ivell <SteveIvell(at)pestproof.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Lining the interior help please |
Hi Darren
I got the van lining 4 way stretch from Megavan Mats. I think it was a 4 me
tre kit which includes 4 tins of spray glue. It was just enough to do our X
S with extended luggage bay.
Cheers
Steve
Kind Regards
Steve Ivell
Managing Director
Pestproof Ltd.
07971 128842
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Hi everybody...
Can anyone give me a rough idea of how much Lining Carpet i will need for
my
interior (which as the extended baggage area )?
I am thinking of using Camper Van Lining Carpet with 4 Way Stretch .
is that a good choice ?
Any input welcome .
Cheers Darren
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| Subject: | Re: Lining the interior help please |
| From: | "daaza22" <royledarren(at)gmail.com> |
thanks for that Steve , I will check them out .
By the way how was it to work with ?
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| Subject: | Re: Lining the interior help please |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Im approaching this task using fire retardant materials. There are a number of
synthetic fireproof upholstery and carpet materials on the market. Natural fibres
such as pure wool for carpet and seats is great in this criteria however there
will be a weight penalty. As a fire retardant material pure wool is excellent...
some modern automotive synthetics become highly carcinogenic while burning
and afterward also. The white sticky goop you might see inside that burnt
out car is 100% death lotion...At the same time i really love the smell of Connolly
leather and dont mind the weight penalty if it makes me happy
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| Subject: | Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Dear Forum Members,
Quick question for those familiar with operating the Europa with the 912ULS engine:
What would you consider would be the highest altitude for normal cruising with
this engine. Read "normal" were the engine is not running overly rich and causing
other issues such as fouled plugs?
Yesterday I did a fairly long cross-country around Florida (about 3.5 hours total)
and on the return flight I was getting beat up by turbulence at 5,500 feet
(can the Europa be rough on turbulence or what??).
I understand the 912 is still happy at 5,500 but what about higher altitudes. I
put up with the turbulence. Rather silly since I could have just tried to go
up to 7,500 feet) but not knowing if the engine starts running too rich to be
happy I just put up with it.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Seat cushion question |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Here goes another of my silly questions:
I spend quite a bit of time designing my seat cushions (as always, I overthink
some things and spent quite a bit of time trying to create the perfect seat).
Despite the effort the result is not quite optimal. After half and hour in my new
seats, my tailbone starts to kill me.
I attach an image of my seat cushions. The only difference between this image and
the final product is that I didn't use the top layer of pink (soft) memory
foam. I only have 1 inch of hard (green) and 1 inch of medium (blue) foam. The
yellow stuff is regular PU foam).
The angles are all based on white papers (the best one being: http://mreed.umtri.umich.edu/mreed/pubs/Reed%20Seating%20Literature%20Review%202000.pdf) that go deep into the design of ideal vehicle seats.
My suspicion is that I need more thigh support (because the high feet position
and short distance to the pedals forces the thigs up and away from the seat) although
the theory is that thigh pressure should be minimal as it causes discomfort
and it is best to concentrate most of the weight on the tip bones at the
buttocks (ischial tuberosities for those inclined to use fancy names :) ).
I will experiment with a little more thigh support but wondered what experiences
people out there had with the Europa cushion design.
One of my biggest questions has to do with the seatback design. As you an see form
the picture, mine tries to provide reasonable back angle, but that also reduces
the distance to the pedals, causing the thighs to move up.
The good news is that I haven't covered the seats yet. Just modified some cushion
covers to protect the foam for now.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| From: | Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lining the interior help please |
I'm thankful for others that put comfort, looks and quality of life in the interior
selection decision.
Unless your government agencies require fireproof, or certified materials, I look
for what is comfortable. N12AY has a thin leather for the cushions and the
foam suggested and tested by Rob D'Nic / Duncan interiors in Lakeland has given
me 15 years of comfort and durability. We chose an automotive carpet, bound
the edges, sewed in Velcro for attachment to the floor structure. I riveted
in the Velcro in the baggage bay floor and epoxied it in everywhere else as the
stick-on Velcro just won't hold up.
I figure, with 100 pounds of high octane on my back, I really am not worried about
the glues, carpets and interior/seat fire fumes long term effects, as if I
hit the ground, I'm getting out long before I have to worry about fumes or I
won't get out at all. I hit head on to a deep ditch flying with a customer and
the cockpit module held up well at 30+ knot impact. I was out of the plane
in about 5 seconds. (Two second delay due to my fat belly at the time, so loosing
20 pounds will help that emergency egress time.) The aircraft is fiberglass,
polyurethane foam and plastic, which according to the State of California
is a carcinogen. Do we scrap our aircraft?
An airplane is 20,000 compromises flying in close formation, choose wisely.
Just my thoughts. Follow your experimental/amateur built aircraft government regs
if there are any.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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On Behalf Of Area-51
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 4:41 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Lining the interior help please
Im approaching this task using fire retardant materials. There are a number of
synthetic fireproof upholstery and carpet materials on the market. Natural fibres
such as pure wool for carpet and seats is great in this criteria however there
will be a weight penalty. As a fire retardant material pure wool is excellent...
some modern automotive synthetics become highly carcinogenic while burning
and afterward also. The white sticky goop you might see inside that burnt
out car is 100% death lotion...At the same time i really love the smell of Connolly
leather and dont mind the weight penalty if it makes me happy
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| From: | Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
Chris,
The Bing carbs in my tests are pretty good up to about 3500 feet. Above that they
start running rich.
A normally aspirated engine should provide at full throttle 75% power. However,
the Bing carb runs even richer that high, so the power is lost (overly rich)
and with the higher fuel flows flying higher does not give greater efficiency.
I normally have clients with a constant speed prop so full throttle (actually
just a bit less seems to improve MP and leaning) at 5000 RPM can use a bit
more leaning so leaning add on devices are available. If cruising at 7500, try
running it up to 5500 for a bit to clear the plugs before decent. Once you
pull back for decent, the engine will load up again, so I go back to 5500 to
clear the plugs.
Creighton Smith (96EG) on his 80 horse and some of my Mid West Clients have added
a leaning device called the HacMan by Green Sky Adventures (GSA TECH LLC 326
Melrose Landing BLVD, Hawthorne, FL 32640). It works, as it robs the carb of
float bowl pressure and leans the engine using manifold pressure (MP). My Kitfox
and Jabiru guys use it for flying in the mountains to get peak power for
takeoff and cruise. Of course, you must have an EGT gauge and since you are
worried about plugs and running without fouling a fuel flow meter would be nice.
Most of the time, plumbing is done from the cross over tube to the HacMan
as a vacuum source. If you have a MP gauge, I really didn't see much of a difference
in the MP readings, so we just tee it there.
Creighton Smith made comments on it in an older thread. It works but the hoses
supplied are crap and the leaning knob is very sensitive and must be turned in
1/4 increments, then await the results, as it takes time for the pressures to
normalize, then adjust again. There are videos online by guys using this.
Also PUT THE HACMAN BACK TO FULL RICH IF YOU CHANGE THROTTLE SETTINGS as MP changes
and the carb may lean out far too lean and kill the engine. Normally, the
Hacman is only used after level off but out west some need it for takeoff power.
Some of the videos are done at low altitude, it is better to do this once
higher and at cruise. With a fixed pitch your RPM should rise, the EGT rise,
and the Cyl Temp may rise in the Rotax. Readjust the throttle for cruise RPM
then adjust mixture again. This has been used successfully by many but do
install proper instrumentation. Also, this is not an authorized accessory by
Rotax.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Subject: Europa-List: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS
Dear Forum Members,
Quick question for those familiar with operating the Europa with the 912ULS engine:
What would you consider would be the highest altitude for normal cruising with
this engine. Read "normal" were the engine is not running overly rich and causing
other issues such as fouled plugs?
Yesterday I did a fairly long cross-country around Florida (about 3.5 hours total)
and on the return flight I was getting beat up by turbulence at 5,500 feet
(can the Europa be rough on turbulence or what??).
I understand the 912 is still happy at 5,500 but what about higher altitudes. I
put up with the turbulence. Rather silly since I could have just tried to go
up to 7,500 feet) but not knowing if the engine starts running too rich to be
happy I just put up with it.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Group
Curious, has anyone tried pulling full (and 1/2) choke at cruise? I believe that
it will in fact lean the mixture, just not sure if by a noticeable amount.
On Bing Type 64 Constant Depression carb the choke is actually an enrichment circuit.
At higher vacuum I believe no extra fuel enters manifold, just an air leak.
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| Subject: | Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the replies guys,
Normally I do fly lower. 3500 or 4500. The turbulence was annoying so went higher.
I will check a plug to see how it looks. The engine ran good. Can't remember
the EGT at that altitude.
Chris
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| From: | Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
I don't recommend it. Especially on the 914.
Lockwood used to put it in their class as normally the engine missed terrib
ly as the enrichening circuit leans excessively above 4000.
Bud
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS
Hi Group
Curious, has anyone tried pulling full (and 1/2) choke at cruise? I believe
that it will in fact lean the mixture, just not sure if by a noticeable am
ount.
On Bing Type 64 Constant Depression carb the choke is actually an enrichmen
t circuit. At higher vacuum I believe no extra fuel enters manifold, just a
n air leak.
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| Subject: | Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris
Here's a good read and video from Kevin on reading spark plugs:
https://www.cycleworld.com/story/blogs/ask-kevin/nostalgia-tempered-by-inconvenient-truths/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&tp=i-1NGB-Et-UbT-1JcL6S-1c-14sh8-1c-1JcA0j-l631GdrB0h-1rSQ73
To really check what's going on you need a new set of plugs, run at power setting
you want to check and shut down quickly.
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Lining the interior help please |
| From: | "daaza22" <royledarren(at)gmail.com> |
thanks for that , I would like to go for leather but i am wanting to do the
interior myself and not sure i would be able to do leather justice .
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Ron,
I noticed that on the printout of the boot shoes you posted (the picture with the
4" and 6" dimensions) there seems to be a left and a right. They are slightly
skewed to opposite sides.
Is that correct or are they supposed to be identical for port and starboard?
Thanks,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris
To be honest I can't remember if I followed drawing. I remember with wings off
I didn't want anything on stick hitting boot holder. I kinda remember bending
up a piece of aluminium to fit boot perfectly and also miss getting hit by stick
with wings off.
I'm on way to hangar and will take a look for you.
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris
I haven't flown with seat cushions yet. As purchased from Europa they would not
have worked very well. Mind you we have long wings too, so back has cut outs
for teleflex spoiler cables.
Anyway we modified cushions a little, added foam and balsa backs and blue foam
base. We have 2 different thickness of bases, my partner is smaller than I.:
http://www.europaowners.org/gallery2/v/Begin-06-2003/album228/
We spent a lot of time making them feel right and giving us a good view over nose,
but not so high head will hit with headsets on. Amazing how a small amount
of change makes such a big difference.
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Lining the interior help please |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Any decent quality leather stitching work will require a walking foot industrial
machine; the cams in a home unit will destroy themselves fairly quickly and
there is just not enough grunt to push through four layers on a piping seam; pay
the money, buy the right machine and practice or pay for someone elses knowledge
and experience; cut your stencils in cardboard for the interior panels and
take them to a trimmer if the trimmer cannot come to you, or take entire fuselage
to the trim shop; do the job once, do it right and be happy... two hides
will be enough to trim the interior and its important to think about access
for service and derigging purposes when planning. The risk of fire on a europa
is low due to fuel tank and firewall design/materials and if the fuel tank did
catch fire on impact the occupants would probably already be dead from the force
of impact required to push a hot engine pipe back into and puncture the fuel
tank...
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris I just checked and my boot shoes are symmetrical, starboard and port are
identical. 6" length and 4" width. With my stick full up, the width of the
boot where the lower connecting bolt is situated is 2.5" wide.
good Luck
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Ron. Yes, the outlines are kind of like a left and right shoe :)
Strange but for simplicity sake I'll make them equal.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Good info Ron.
Well, I have to say not happy with my cushions (lots of work dumped on them but
at least I didn't spend the money to cover them yet, something I would recommend
new builders, experiment before committing). I wish there was some info on
a basic design to get started with but I guess we "don't do things because they
are easy ...." :)
But I have a feeling that increased thigh support will help.
My seat back looks like yours, just not how it was built. But angle yes. Just
a theory but maybe the excess angle on seat back pushes you forward, raises your
legs and puts too much pressure on tailbone. I'm going to try removing the
back cushion and placing a flatter piece of temporary foam. Sounds counter intuitive
but will test my theory. If that doesn't work I will add some additional
thigh support.
My conclusion is that the Europa seat is a bit narrow (that coming from a LongEZ
owner, but that airplane is the ultimate in comfort, my opinion) and your arm
touching the door sill makes you lean sideways which contributes to some discomfort.
Will report.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Chris,
We purchased seat cushions from Oregon Aero, figuring they knew more about seats
(safety and comfort), and we're really glad we did. We regularly fly 1 1/2 hour
flights. They are so comfortable and we have done two 4 hour legs in a day
many times with no discomfort.
The only down sides are they are heavy and somewhat expensive and really hard for
the first few minutes when cold (Michigan cold)!
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Jim,
I have Oregon Aero seats on the LongEZ and I agree they are very good.
To help me understand if the investment is worth it: Are the cushions drop in on
the Europa? What I mean is do they take care of the challenging angles of our
back rest? Or did you have to come up with some structure on the backrest and
the Oregon cushions are just a few inches thick. That's the way it is in my
LongEZ, the Oregon cushions are just a few inches thick and you have to add any
filling you need underneath and on the back.
Not a problem but it doesn't help figuring out the proper geometries to make our
seats comfy enough.
Best Regards and Thanks,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Good video Ron. Thanks.
Chris
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| From: | John Wigney <johnwigney(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re : Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
Hi Chris,
I have been interested to see the comments regarding running rich at
altitude. I have 1100 hours on my XS mono, N262WF, with the 912ULS
engine. The engine is unmodified and I have had zero issues with running
rich during that time. Also the engine has never missed one beat.
A few comments :-
* My flying is typically a mix of recreational trips and visits to
local flyins plus flights to Sun N Fun (8 times) and Oshkosh (10
times). Local flying is usually done at part throttle and averages
about 4 gallons an hour door to door. My longer airshow trips are
normally done by climbing to get to smooth air, usually above 5,000
to 6,000 ft., I then set full throttle at 5500 rpm with my Whirlwind
C/S prop. In the summer, I often have to fly higher to stay above
the tops of towering cumulus and occasionally I get to 11,500 ft.
* During my early test flying, I did a check on my Service Ceiling. I
loaded the plane up to gross with a full tank and borrowed some
oxygen gear. At 16,000 ft., the plane was still going up at 200
ft/min so I was happy with that.
* The bottom line is that I have had absolutely no problems with rich
running. The engine has never missed a beat and the CHT's and EGT;'s
have always been in spec. The condition of the plugs at routine
replacement has always been good. At the last condition inspection,
my cylinder leakdown numbers were 80/80 on 3 cylinders and 78/80 on
the fourth.
* I did consider installing a Hacman package a long time ago when I
saw some discussion on the subject. After consideration I chose not
to do this due to the high amount of administrative work and knob
twiddling required for this to run satisfactorily. It also will kill
the engine if leaned out too far and that was unacceptable for me..
* With my C/S prop, all my flying is done at rpm's between 5,000 and
5,500.
* I note that my Rotax Operators Manual specifies - /The engine
allows operation with fully open throttle over the whole r.p.m.
range without limitation. But full throttle performance above 5,500
r.p.m. is limited to 5 minutes./ I comply with that. I also see
nothing in the manual which suggests that rich running is a concern.
Cheers, John
Mooresville, North Carolina
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From: "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> Dear Forum Members, Quick question
for those familiar with operating the Europa with the 912ULS engine:
What would you consider would be the highest altitude for normal
cruising with this engine. Read "normal" were the engine is not running
overly rich and causing other issues such as fouled plugs? Yesterday I
did a fairly long cross-country around Florida (about 3.5 hours total)
and on the return flight I was getting beat up by turbulence at 5,500
feet (can the Europa be rough on turbulence or what??). I understand the
912 is still happy at 5,500 but what about higher altitudes. I put up
with the turbulence. Rather silly since I could have just tried to go up
to 7,500 feet) but not knowing if the engine starts running too rich to
be happy I just put up with it. Best Regards, Chris/
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Chris,
Yes, they are drop in, no structure required. We recall someone took a cockpit
module to them and they made patterns from that. They even have the cut out for
the pip pins that go into the spars.
I notice that Europa isn't listed on their website. We purchased ours back in
Jan Feb 2005. From the invoice it looks like the part numbers are
3014711-700 left cushion
3014712-700 right cushion
If they look at our old order there may be some confusion since we also purchased
a third set which sits on top and in front of the other cushions. Heather
uses that to get taller and more forward and it works in either seat. It is useful
for YE rides, and is easily removed for "normal" size folks. You probably
won't need that.
We'll get some photos the next time at the airport.
Jim & Heather
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| From: | fklein(at)orcasonline.com |
| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 8:32 AM, n7188u wrote:
>
>
> Despite the effort the result is not quite optimal. After half and
hour in my new seats, my tailbone starts to kill me.
>
> My suspicion is that I need more thigh support (because the high feet
position and short distance to the pedals forces the thigs up and away
from the seat) although the theory is that thigh pressure should be
minimal as it causes discomfort and it is best to concentrate most of
the weight on the tip bones at the buttocks (ischial tuberosities for
those inclined to use fancy names :) ).
>
> I will experiment with a little more thigh support but wondered what
experiences people out there had with the Europa cushion design.
ChrisHere are (first) a couple of photos of my back rest
note that I used a couple scraps of blue & green foam to form a lumbar
support which I=99ve found to be very effective.
I am 6=99-1.
For the seat cushion, I too felt that I was not getting sufficient thigh
support; note that although I extended the blue and green foam forward
of the vertical face of the cockpit module, initially I had not extended
the plywood seat frame enough and had to go back and add to the frame so
it aligned with the foam.
BTW, Beneath my foam seat assembly, I have two thicknesses of 1=9D
rigid insulation.
It works well for meam just now in the process of having ultra
leather covers sewn up for a little =9Cpleat and roll=9D job
which wraps around and is stapled into the plywood frameframe
is 1/8=9D mahogany plywood with edges doubled up for staples
.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
| From: | "Martin Olliver" <martflynut(at)aol.com> |
Hi Chris.
I have had two Europas and on both aircraft I used aircraft pilot spec
sheepskin as the top layer. I found them very comfortable. No problems encountered
as you describe. I could put you in touch with the supplier here in the UK.
They ship worldwide.
Martin
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| From: | Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | RE: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - 2/21 |
Hello all,
Well, I am get close to finishing my panel upgrade. Center stack is finishe
d which now includes the relocated constant speed controller and the IFR nav
igator.
The Garmin GPS175 is working nicely, communicating with both my Dynon Skyvie
w 10=9D display and the recently installed Garmin G5. The G5 serves as
a backup to the Dynon.
I was initially concerned that the three boxes wouldn=99t play well to
gether as different ARINC 429 setting are specified for each piece of equipm
ent. For ARINC to function properly the transmitting device can have only o
ne protocol set which must be acceptable to the receiving units.
Fortunately, after discussions with Dynon support and testing the G5 on a fr
iend=99s plane I was able to confirm they units could in fact be confi
gured to work properly. Essentially, the Dynon needed to be set to =9C
low speed=9D for data as that is the only speed the G5 can accept. Th
e G5 on the other hand was set to accept GAMA 3 data which the Dynon require
s in order to graphically display flight plans, holds, procedure turns, etc.
The additional data set contained in GAMA 3 (vs GAMA 1) is extraneous to t
he G5 as it does not have the capability to display the information and appa
rently disregards it.
Now, to finish the main panel and put the rest of the plane back together.
Erich
N28ET
Classic Mono 914
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| From: | Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | RE: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - 2/21 |
=EF=BBHello all,
Well, I am get close to finishing my panel upgrade. Center stack is finishe
d which now includes the relocated constant speed controller and the IFR nav
igator.
The Garmin GPS175 is working nicely, communicating with both my Dynon Skyvie
w 10=9D display and the recently installed Garmin G5. The G5 serves as
a backup to the Dynon.
I was initially concerned that the three boxes wouldn=99t play well to
gether as different ARINC 429 setting are specified for each piece of equipm
ent. For ARINC to function properly the transmitting device can have only o
ne protocol set which must be acceptable to the receiving units.
Fortunately, after discussions with Dynon support and testing the G5 on a fr
iend=99s plane I was able to confirm they units could in fact be confi
gured to work properly. Essentially, the Dynon needed to be set to =9C
low speed=9D for data as that is the only speed the G5 can accept. Th
e G5 on the other hand was set to accept GAMA 3 data which the Dynon require
s in order to graphically display flight plans, holds, procedure turns, etc.
The additional data set contained in GAMA 3 (vs GAMA 1) is extraneous to t
he G5 as it does not have the capability to display the information and appa
rently disregards it.
Now, to finish the main panel and put the rest of the plane back together.
Erich
N28ET
Classic Mono 914
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| From: | Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Seat cushion question |
Chris,
Like others have mentioned, I too found lumbar support to be critical. I ma
de my own cushions using temperfoam (one layer of green and blue) for the se
at bottoms which I cut to shape and reattached to conform with the cockpit m
odule seat pan. See picture.
For the seat back, I used a seat cushion from an old Jeep Cherokee that my n
eighbor donated to the project. I sculpted it to follow the seat back (same
angle as the head rest. The cushion is approximately 1=9D thick at t
he top and 5=9D at the bottom providing excellent lumbar support. Whe
n installed in the aircraft the upper portion of the the seat back is up aga
inst the upper part of the cockpit module (the same surface that the head re
st attaches to. This creates a pocket behind the cushion as the cockpit mod
ule transitions to vertical. I fill the space with a roll of paper towels, w
indow cleaner and rags, fuel tester and a few other tools. The front of the
seat back cushion contacts seat bottom cushion just few inches from the cre
ase in the lower seat as it extends forward. Hope that makes sense. See pi
cture.
When I am seated my rear end and tail bone is on the inclined portion of the
lower seat cushion. I must say it is very comfortable. I fly over 5 hour l
egs when I travel cross county and no discomfort. Don=99t get me wron
g I am ready to get out of the plane at this point. Five hours sitting is a
long time no matter how comfortable the seat. BTW, I am 6=991=9D
tall.
Erich
N28ET
Classic Mono 914
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks to all for the postings. All this information sure is helping understand
what you are doing out there.
The good news is that it seems my seats can be improved.
Martin, please send me the info for the gentleman that makes the seats or covers.
Never hurts to have the information.
Erich, I understood your explanation. I like your idea of leaving the space between
the vertical section of the cockpit module and the back of the seat back
open to store some items. Very clever and sure simplief dealing with the wing
attachment pins. However I have a question about that: What keeps the bottom of
your seat back from sliding aft?
My seat is similar but differs from two points:
1.- I have a small piece of blue Styrofoam (seen as dark blue in my posted CAD
image, at the intersection of the two angles at the seat bottom) that extends
the seat thigh support.
2.- My seat follows the headrest and small portion of cockpit module angle plus
two inches of foam thickness. Then there is the lumbar support. I think that
Erich's backrest sits much further forward at the bottom than mine. The bottom
of my seat is quite thick but it is all foam. It's 5 inches but that is from
the cockpit module vertical wall. Erich, could you please measure the distance
in your seat as I did in mine? See picture.
I think I am going to experiment with additional thigh support first. Then I am
intriged by the way you did your seat back Erich. Much simpler and I like the
storage space idea.
Apologies for all the questions and requests but I am very close to having all
the info I need to try a few ideas and I appreciate the help.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
BTW, and if anyone wonders, I sew together some pillow covers to protect the foam.
It is my intent to have them professionally covered once I am happy with the
design. I have 3mm plywood base both on the bottom and back to make the cushions
a little more stable. It ads a little weight but works very well. You can
step on the cushions and they don't move.
The foam is already bonded to the wood base so I hope my modifications don't involve
ripping foam out (maybe a little if I go with Erich's route and create a
void behind the backrest).
Chris
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Pulled both float bowls off the 912 to inspect for debri; clean as a whistle and
about to give the AC its annuall...
Finished installing the hangar track; works perfectly as planned... my body feels
wrecked; discovered I love designing and really hate fabrication
Going up in the sky tomorrow
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Has anyone experience or knowledge on how to retrofit wingtip nav lights after
the wing has been constructed? Thanks
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No direct help, but if it is an XS wing, do make sure that the
installation is airtight. The XS floats because of the air trapped in
its wing If you don't seal efficiently around those lights it will
become like a PA28 which sinks in 3 minutes! Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
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| From: | Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
When a client has a Whelen or Aeroflash 3 light position and strobe light I
prefer to look at how the original builder installed the support.
If the tip light support is made flat with 3 nutplates I prefer to build a
form fit adapter to allow one of the new units to mount to that cleanly. M
y go to light has been the Aveo tip light. But I have no problem with Whel
en's LED unit, neither have I not been happy with changing out the incandes
cent position lights with LED replacement bulbs in the old Whelens. I=92ve
used PSA as a bulb source (located near me) for replacement bulbs. Saves
nearly 9 amps just for the position lights. The strobes still pull about t
wo amps. For the motor glider, I pulled nearly 20 pounds of lighting gear
out of the fuselage and wings by completely rewiring the wings and getting
rid of the Whelen box and replacing the heavy wiring with 20 gauge wire and
converting to new lighter tip lights.
Sealing the tip lights is very important, not that I worry about floating t
ime, but in a wet environment the tip lights will cloud over and even show
water spots in the light. Aveo was very responsive to this as I put one of
the original lights on a mono and a motorglider. Both airplanes stored ou
tside. The lens yellowed terrible on the mono and required buffing and aft
er a few years. Of course, they shined up, but buffing is not normal. The
motorglider was stored outside and mildew and lack of use took their toll
and they showed terrible water intrusion. Both were offered replacement by
Aveo, and I replaced the ones on the motorglider. The Whelens have held u
p well over the years and so has my Skybright. The old Whelens are a bit l
eaky so corrosion and water intrusion can be a problem but is easily cleane
d up.
Below is the original Aveo after two years of owner neglect. Plane was cov
ered in mildew and the tip light had extensive water intrusion.
Wing tip light was replaced by Aveo. After one year it is in need of milde
w control but the lights haven=92t yellowed or shown water intrusion.
Note the difference in size between the tip light sizes. This client wante
d cheap and fast. Well, he got it, and now has a cleaning issue with caulk
vs proper glass, paint and mildew resistant sealant just around the base.
Denatured alcohol cleans the mildew but water intrusion was fixed by Aveo.
[Original Aveo with water intrusion and mildew. Aveo attached to fiberglas
s piece to fit old Whelen mount and simply caulked. After two years outsid
e. This is what it looked like. More cleanup was required. Description a
utomatically generated]
Skybright was a good cost-effective light $330), but I no longer see them.
So, another conversion will need to be made for N12AY one of these days.
Probably to Whelen or Aveo. I have the heavy 18 gauge 3 wire still in my p
lane so I may change out the heavy cable (.4 pounds per foot) and lighten u
p the wiring with the new lights. The Aeroflash tip light is closer to my
Skybright but I don=92t like the shape. Matter of taste I guess.
Whelen, Aveo and Aero LED have a few options for LED tip lights and again,
some sort or change to the mounting has to be made. That makes the outer t
ip light stick out a bit further or one has to grind out and repaint. I do
the transitions using a thin glass support for the new light that covers t
he old holes and screw it down and simply add nutplates to the new cover pl
ate. I prefer to transition the new plate with a bit of glass and foam so
it smoothly grafts the old Whelen mounting plate to the new light as I can
do it quickly. I make a glass or ply mount then use clay to reshape to ble
nd the shapes into the previous nicely fitted and filled tip, Then it is j
ust do the tedious glass, fill, and paint work. Any way you do it, the wor
k will take up a week. I just saw Aeroflash on Aircraft Spruce has a trans
ition or adapter plate but at $120 I can make a nice fiberglass mount for f
ar less and get the look I want.
Just my thoughts,
Bud Yerly
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| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Here are some photos of our Oregon Aero seats.
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
JimDo you have any idea what current cost would be?
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtip Lights |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks David... its a classic; so foam core wing construction.. as far as i can
tell from construction information the chord ribs are solid; i cant think off
anything other than making up a 1/4 or 3/8 bore mounted on a long tube; unless
someone knows of an allocated area in the factory material for this purpose.
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| From: | Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
Chris,
I measured the distance from the vertical surface to the front of the seat cushion
and its approximately 8 which jives with the 3 cavity I have behind the 5
thick cushion.
A 3 spacer prevents the cushion from sliding aft.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Erich
N28ET
Classic Mono 914
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| From: | davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk |
| Subject: | Re: Wingtip Lights |
I seem to remember an article about this in the Europa Flyer - you might
try the new search facility on the club website. Personally I would be
tempted to run your wires along the wing close outs. You could no doubt
find a suitable three core flat wire and bond it in place and then drill
a hole between your wing tip opening and the outer aileron close out.
Best of luck, David
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> Thanks David... its a classic; so foam core wing construction.. as far
> as i can tell from construction information the chord ribs are solid; i
> canEUR(tm)t think off anything other than making up a 1/4EUR or
> 3/8EUR bore mounted on a long tube; unless someone knows of an
> allocated area in the factory material for this purpose.
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| From: | Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wingtip Lights |
I've done just that with Creighton Smith on his 96EG (Classic) rebuild. The plane
was to be repainted but obviously we didn't want to screw up the finish and
make more work.
I used a 1/2 inch chrome moly tube with a sawtooth cut (like a hole saw) in one
end then sharpened it to make my drill.
I drilled forward of the spar in line with where the lightening hole would be just
forward of the spar (leading edge side). In the Classic manual you can see
where the lightening hole is in the foam. Often you can clearly see the spar
location and if you look closely, the hotwire line in the wing is also visible
(which is the center of the lightening hole). The port wing was perfect but
we got off a bit in the starboard wing as we hit the bottom of the skin just
as we got to the end of the spar. We were lucky.
Drilling:
I was responsible for the spanwise alignment of the drill (I snapped a line on
the wing) and Creighton was responsible for the elevation of the drill. We drilled
through the solid foam of the walkway root area nervously. Then when we
hit the lightening hole, I pulled the saw (tube) and used my borescope (Amazon
15 footer that displays Bluetooth to my cell phone) and a bit of feel to align
with the bulkhead in the outrigger area and drilled center in that. The tip
area was easy as the original builder left off any reinforcements so all I
had to do was angle the hole back slightly to get a hook on the wire.
I'm hazy on how we ran the wire through the hole, I think I used my fish tape and
attached the wire or a string with a loop and inserted it through the drill
tube and pushed the fish tape through to the tip.
Once we hooked the string or wire through the tip hole, we pulled it through the
tip, we made a tip support out of ply and mounted the Aveo light.
On 12AY (Classic Kit A054) I planned a 3/4 inch black butyl tube through my wing.
It was a lot easier.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks David, yes i think that would be the best hassle free solution
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| Subject: | Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
| From: | "olihqt" <Olivier.hequet(at)neuf.fr> |
Hello,
A friend makes a system for my europa permitting to adjust the Air Fuel ratio in
high altitude. Tests in progress...Many MCR are already equipped and they reduce
the consumption about 1.5 to 2.5 liter per hours with a AFR at 13.8.
pictures on this page...https://www.leboncoin.fr/sports_hobbies/2109815787.htm
Olivier
F-PAKV
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
| From: | "John Wighton" <john(at)wighton.net> |
One aspect that new builders could forget it to enable the seat cushion to pivot
up against the backrest for entry and exit.
To get in from the front or back side of the wing means you end up with your butt
sat on the headrest and your feet on the seat base.
To avoid getting the seat base cushion messed up it needs to be lifted and rotated
against the backrest.
The cushion is restored to its rightful place as you slide in.
Pretty obvious to seasoned pilots but not necessarily for newbies.
--------
John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Once again, thanks to all for the valuable feedback. I believe I have enough for
continuing tweaking my cushions.
I am planning a x-country this weekend so will first try increasing thigh support.
I am a little hesitant to increase the lumbar support since I have quite a
bit already (not as much as Erich) and like having my legs stretched while flying
and I am at a limit there but will try that if all else fails.
Thanks,
Chris
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| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Interesting device Olivier. Thanks for sharing.
Looking forward to hearing more about how it works and of any field experience.
Chris
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| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Fred,
Back in 2005 we paid $350 for each pair of cushions and $1200 for upholstery, which
is just blue fabric.
Today I looked at the website and bare cushions for Lancair 360 and others similar
to Europa run $400 to $500 per seat (2 cushions). Upholstery is extra.
There is a new set of RV8 cushions on VAF that are upholstered in leather and the
asking price is $6000, supposed new price is $6900.
Jim
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| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
I just got confirmation that the Europa forum is scheduled for Thursday, April
7 at 12:00 Noon in room CFAA-02. This is an opportunity to meet others and exchange
ideas and experiences.
Hope to see you there!
Jim Butcher
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| From: | "fklein(at)orcasonline.com" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat cushion question |
> On Feb 18, 2022, at 6:39 AM, h&jeuropa wrote:
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> Fred,
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> Back in 2005 we paid $350 for each pair of cushions and $1200 for
upholstery, which is just blue fabric.
That=99s about what I=99ve paid for mine with fabric
being synthetic leatherI=99ll send you some pixs when I
get them completed...
>
> Today I looked at the website and bare cushions for Lancair 360 and
others similar to Europa run $400 to $500 per seat (2 cushions).
Upholstery is extra.
>
> There is a new set of RV8 cushions on VAF that are upholstered in
leather and the asking price is $6000, supposed new price is $6900.
Geezusno expense spared!!
>
> Jim
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question about cruise altitudes with a 912ULS |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Oliver
Not much details on mixture control.
** Is there a way of immediately bypassing leaning?
** Does the O2 sensor go through a test when powered up and if not within specs
gives you a warning?
** Do you have EGT/s?
** Can you control manually, get peak EGT and go richer?
Using an O2 sensor to control a mixture monitor does not require a fast response
time of the O2 sensor. Even a few second response time is fine. When a O2 sensor
is exposed to lead, it begins to slow down. After a while not only will it
slow down but high and low parameters begin to get closer. I have a mixture
monitor on my 914, I expect to get 75 or more hours out of sensor using 100LL.
I welded a bung onto tail pipe just downstream of muffler to hold O2 sensor.
If you are using an O2 sensor for mixture control, you need a fast O2 sensor response
time.
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - 2/21 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Were on a road to nowhere.... today started early with a no fuss planned fly-in
fly-out breakfast... it was a great flight in, no traffic as expected, showers
and low level cloud to weave around.. 125nm into 153nm destination low lying
cloud started getting thicker and lower as the sky to the north started turning
dark grey... into the first valley we went to check it out and decided to pull
the mission, leaving a handful of more curious aviators investigating possibilities...
out we flew the way we came in and back past abeam a very busy local
grass strip full of pilots peeing before heading back home... with about 60L
of fuel left the europa just kept going... eventually nature dictated a forced
landing at a lovely airfield where we peed on a shrubbery and that felt so
very good to do... full power down 15 and heading out over rising ground was
not difficult for the europa, and we went the rest of the way back to base...
the adventure continued at rounding out hitting some lift just when you are not
needing it, so back up into the sky we went, full power and observing 1000min
at 80kt IAS; very impressive for 80hp and two up... second approach was successful
and we were backtracking soon after to pack the cruise missile away with
the help of the fully engineered rail system completed after a week long very
long construction just the day before.
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - |
2/21
Nice! Sounds like it woulda made a sweet youtube vid :)
PeteZ
> On Feb 20, 2022, at 1:19 AM, Area-51 wrote:
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> Were on a road to nowhere.... today started early with a no fuss planned fly-in
fly-out breakfast... it was a great flight in, no traffic as expected, showers
and low level cloud to weave around.. 125nm into 153nm destination low lying
cloud started getting thicker and lower as the sky to the north started turning
dark grey... into the first valley we went to check it out and decided to
pull the mission, leaving a handful of more curious aviators investigating possibilities...
out we flew the way we came in and back past abeam a very busy
local grass strip full of pilots peeing before heading back home... with about
60L of fuel left the europa just kept going... eventually nature dictated a forced
landing at a lovely airfield where we peed on a shrubbery and that felt
so very good to do... full power down 15 and heading out over rising ground was
not difficult for the europa, and we went the rest of the way back to base...
the adventure continued at rounding out hitting s!
> ome lift just when you are not needing it, so back up into the sky we went, full
power and observing 1000min at 80kt IAS; very impressive for 80hp and two
up... second approach was successful and we were backtracking soon after to pack
the cruise missile away with the help of the fully engineered rail system completed
after a week long very long construction just the day before.
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| From: | <macstar1224(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa last week |
Had a "boy's own" adventure last week flying from Omaka (top of the South
Island) to Wairoa (east coast of North Island) 2.2 hrs.
Conditions were perfect for such a flight with most of the North Island leg
flown VFR on top of a broken 3500 foot cloud base at a ground speed of 140
- 150 kts due to the Southerly tail wind.
Transiting through the Napier Class D airspace was straight forward with no
major diversions being required. Near Lake Titira an amendment to the
clearance was required to allow a descent through the closing cloud gaps to
continue the remaining flight at 3500' below the base. A nice landing on the
sealed 1370 meter Wairoa airstrip followed. After a Cafe" lunch and
encounter in town I continued on to Gisbourne where the Airfield is famous
for having a rail line crossing the main vector on its southern side. No
problems there with trains or planes with ZKMEE being accommodated on the
grass GA parking area next to the commercial apron.
The next day it was back in the air to reverse the track through the Napier
airspace to the small country Town of Dannevirke. Dannevirke has a generous
grass airstrip of 1200 meters in length and friendly company at the
aeroclub. For this trip I carried a fold up electric bike which I have found
very handy getting from airfields into town. After another overnight stay I
continued the return flight back to Omaka this time to building North
Westerly pre frontal conditions (rough!) via Wellingtons Hutt Valley and
Paekakariki and then VFR flight following across Cook Straight back to my
home airstrip an Omaka.
Ian McClelland
Blenheim
New Zealand
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - 2/21 |
| From: | "creightonious" <crouton(at)well.com> |
On Monday I flew from Key West KEYW to Punta Gorda KPGD Where I have a hangar.
Due to a lot of things I hadnt been able to get up there on a weekday in order
to get my new hangar key and badge.
I was unable due to the lack of a passport.
Who knew that Punta Gorda is a sovereign foreign country?
The flight was pleasant, though and if the crosswind ever gets less than 15kt (KEYW
has 1 runway, east west) maybe Ill go up again. With my passport this time.
Creighton. A-009
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A 036
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| From: | "richard.churchill-coleman(at)sky.com" <u16103772(at)sharjah.ac.ae> |
europalist https://bit.ly/3s4fOWQ richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Pete,
Here are the instructions.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Up in the sky.... Free as a bird, weeeeeeeeeeee.....
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Nice Model!!! Where can I get it? :)
So this week I decided to tame my Mono (or at least reduce my fear of trips and
wind). My plan is to take every opportunity I have to fly in days with conditions
that are a little less than ideal and work my way up to proficiency.
Yesterday noon I went up. A little crosswind, maybe 4 knots but thermals were on
a roll. A little bumpy and gusty. No problem. Good takeoffs and landings.
At 5, after work, I went up again. I had the perfect conditions at my field for
practice. AWOS was reporting 9 knots crosswind and occasional; "peak 11, caution
crosswind".
Of three takeoffs two were perfect and last one was Meh. On the Meh one, the airplane
wanted to fly a little soon. Still trying to decide if I should keep the
stick slight back pressure and the airplane get airborne or do what you normally
do in a TW airplane and nudge the nose down just a little to get speed to
buildup more. A little reluctant to push down on the nose though although I always
do that (gently) but on bumpy conditions I'm still trying to decide.
The landings were perfect. My field has intermittent tall tress and buildings close
to the runway sides which makes for good rotors with crosswinds. The runway
is hard but very wide. So now I know that my self imposed limit of 10 knot
crosswind is very doable and my anxiety has been reduced.
BTW, although focusing on the good stuff happening on the Europa community, just
wanted to say that we are all sadly looking at what is going on in Ukraine at
this end. Truly horrible events this day and age. I know that most Europa owners
reside closer to this conflict and, don't know for sure, but we may have
someone in this forum very close to it. As a US and EU citizen, and with family
living in Spain and Italy, it sure is in my mind.
Best,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Chris! Well done on upping your competency game!! Yes nice model; sometimes
you just got to do things on your own... life skills... got it down to mm
accuracy... Hours of plumb bobbing, measuring, string lining, lasering, and measuring
again and again; and thats before sitting at the console for even more
hours tweeking and refining iteration after iteration... planning to test some
standard and radical aerodynamic mods and see what numbers get spat out the
other end; some leading edge slats and slotted fowler flaps... previous tests
have been on a totally clean airframe so will be interesting to compare drag component
of all the standard dangly bits!
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| From: | <alfuller194(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - |
2/21
Creighton - I dont know anything about Punta Gorda, but when I went to Key West
many years ago, they claimed to be a sovereign country. I hesitated to get my
Conch Republic passport at the time, and still regret it. My plan was to get
the Diplomatic Passport, which entailed more responsibilities [as in, responsible
for paying higher fees... ]
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Al Fuller
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/14 - 2/21
On Monday I flew from Key West KEYW to Punta Gorda KPGD Where I have a hangar.
Due to a lot of things I hadnt been able to get up there on a weekday in order
to get my new hangar key and badge.
I was unable due to the lack of a passport.
Who knew that Punta Gorda is a sovereign foreign country?
The flight was pleasant, though and if the crosswind ever gets less than 15kt (KEYW
has 1 runway, east west) maybe Ill go up again. With my passport this time.
Creighton. A-009
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A 036
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| From: | "fklein(at)orcasonline.com" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 |
- 2/28
> On Feb 24, 2022, at 6:33 AM, n7188u wrote:
>
> BTW, although focusing on the good stuff happening on the Europa
community, just wanted to say that we are all sadly looking at what is
going on in Ukraine at this end. Truly horrible events this day and age.
I know that most Europa owners reside closer to this conflict and, don't
know for sure, but we may have someone in this forum very close to it.
As a US and EU citizen, and with family living in Spain and Italy, it
sure is in my mind.
>
> Best,
> Chris
I=99ll second your thoughts Chris
In my search for a propeller of the proper size for a mono, designed to
absorb the 140 hp in my Sube-derived engine, and rotate in the direction
opposite of that of the Rotaxthe only one I could find is a
beautiful, carbon fiber, ground adjustable prop made in KyivI
=99m glad that I purchased two extra sets of blades
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "tennant" <barrington.tennant(at)gmail.com> |
Hello Chris,
I remember one memorable takeoff in Saarbrcken with a runway 27 some years ago
When I lined up the lovely lady in the tower said "Clear for takeoff, wind 200
deg, 18 - 26 knots!!"
The Europa ran down the the centre line and was in the air very quickly!! When
you have a couple of hundred hours on your bird you will not want to fly anything
else.
Have fun
Barry
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D-EHBT
At EDLM - Germany
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Nice work on the model. For a moment I thought it was for one of the flight sims,
in which case I would have been very interested in obtaining even if for a
fee!
Good story Barry. That's a 24 knot crosswind component! Quite gutsy (and gusty
I guess).
I do need to clarify (and not to brag) that I am airplane, helicopter and glider
rated (ATP, CFI) and have flown all kind of aircraft from airliners to paragliders
(including high and low performance GA, competition gliders, helicopters,
etc). I learned to fly in the Andes in South America (kind of like the Alps)
with winds blowing at 30 knots all the time so talk about crosswind, rotors
and gusts. The runway sides used to be littered with broken airplanes. So it's
not a lack of skill.
However, I think the effort to build the Europa, the fact that I am liking this
airplane a lot and becoming a little more risk-averse as I age left me with a
sort of anxiety about scratching my baby :) However, I am overcoming that one
step at a time. So far my mono has not done anything to me that I would consider
a departure so I guess it's all just in my head :)
Best Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
And back to the port subject:
This week I installed and connected an old Garmin Aera 500 I have.
Why you may ask.
I live in a very busy airspace and have noticed that lately people are trying very
hard to collide with me in the air. A few weeks back I almost had a P-51 hit
me from behind in the traffic pattern! (I fly from a VERY busy uncontrolled
field.
So I was wondering why my Garmin GDL39 with Garmin Pilot was not providing aural
alerts even though it would highlight the traffic on the screen. I tried hard
but at the end concluded that technology sometimes sucks and it was just too
much effort, end settings and ETC to make this buggy software work. And then
I remembered how simple and amazing the older Aera 500 algorithms worked when
it came to traffic and obstacle alerts.
So I wired my Aera to airplane power, the GDL39 and to the audio system. Works
like a charm (the only probelm is that my PM3000 intercom is an older model and
doesn't have additional audio inputs so I have to use the entertainment input,
which is less than ideal, but it works.
The bad news is that my tablet has now lost it's place in the panel and is relegated
to being a knee device. Oh well, can't have everything.
Tomorrow we have a flyi-in breakfast in Central Florida so will get to continue
testing.
Best,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Chris it seems prudent to have some modern glass tech in the instrument panel...
i still have not decided what would be best; so many choice, so little space!
Could do with some ideas and user experience on this task; would love having
terrain and traffic on tap... regarding the model, i did ask around the site
for existing 3d models and was told one had been developed for Xplane however
nobody has shed any further light on this mythical information; so i just went
off and did it myself. It wouldnt need too much more to be operationally usable
in Xplane and getting a functioning interior added is another arm of development,
then there are all the visual texture skins to add at the final stage for
a lifelike appointment; it can be done; maybe somebody out there is a wizard
in texturing!! So far with Xplane i have fudged things successfully using an
SF50 as a test platform and modified the airframe to what i required; so i got
all SF50s garmin 5000 cockpit and turbine tech! That said i do intend to fly
the model in Xplane to try out some ideas...
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Well its been raining almost all week and there will be a lot more rain for the
entire week to come... the airfield is now a great lake and the carrots have
rotted in the ground; so that means theres nothing to do but sit at the console
desk and drive the computer to crunch more numbers with a more resolved model
while mixing Ballantines and coffee into the one cup... what a brilliant little
aircraft!!
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Cool images. Not that I fully understand what is good or bad but I assume that
a sharp change of velocity is not so good. Is then all the blue around scoops
and openings bad?
So this weekend went to 9FL1 Fly-In breakfast with EU. Being the only Europa most
people have ever seen it was always surrounded by people :)
Nice flight. Great speeds (people making comments on the radio on how fast I was
going for a 912 powered airplane). Grass runway, a bit bumpy, takeoff was interesting
but all ok.
Chris
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - |
2/28
Some pics from our local 32nd annual river ice fly-in yesterday in Ottawa, C
anada. Sadly this year skiis only due to organiser-illness, so low passes on
ly. AOA lectrical connections now appear to be solid, what a great tool to m
anage energy over the runway. Luv my lil=99bird in the winter - great
performance imho, ~135knot at less than 5gal/hr.
PeteZ
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djipibi/albums/72177720296992784
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
That aircraft looks so good Peter; well done on its presentation! Are those pieces
of cardboard at the radiators to help maintain engine temps?
Chris, variations in colour indicate changes in airspeed velocity; there is a scale
if you zoom in and the velocity applied is 51m/s or 100kt; low velocity is
not necessarily a bad thing however its an indication of turbulence induced
drag around exit vent openings and rearward of aft surfaces as slower and faster
moving air rejoin, getting these two velocity streams to combine back together
more smoothly is a desirable outcome... one of my test pilots has just suggested
trying vortex generators; will be interesting to see if that has any desirable
affect... will be interesting to see just how much total drag can be reduced
and how that might be achieved!!
For the technical minded the test was carried out with theta, beta and delta all
set at zero, alpha is equal to angle of incidence. Returned output forces NM
(x) -587 (y) +4424. (Results are indicative only and may vary substantially between
individual built aircraft)
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - |
2/28
Thx! Alum tape, and yip, mandatory to set the proper temps.
PeteZ
> On Feb 27, 2022, at 11:06 PM, Area-51 wrote:
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> That aircraft looks so good Peter; well done on its presentation! Are those pieces
of cardboard at the radiators to help maintain engine temps?
>
> Chris, variations in colour indicate changes in airspeed velocity; there is a
scale if you zoom in and the velocity applied is 51m/s or 100kt; low velocity
is not necessarily a bad thing however its an indication of turbulence induced
drag around exit vent openings and rearward of aft surfaces as slower and faster
moving air rejoin, getting these two velocity streams to combine back together
more smoothly is a desirable outcome... one of my test pilots has just suggested
trying vortex generators; will be interesting to see if that has any
desirable affect... will be interesting to see just how much total drag can be
reduced and how that might be achieved!!
>
> For the technical minded the test was carried out with theta, beta and delta
all set at zero, alpha is equal to angle of incidence. Returned output forces
NM (x) -587 (y) +4424. (Results are indicative only and may vary substantially
between individual built aircraft)
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| Subject: | Europa get togethers in the US SE |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Hi,
Well, don't know if I will get in trouble with this but what the heck, I'll give
it a try.
Can you believe that after spending 4 years building my Europa and one year flying
it I have NEVER seen one flying from the outside!! I must correct that!!
For the last few months I have been talking to a couple of people in Florida that
fly Europas to see if we could get together once in a while. I fly every Saturday
morning for breakfast to locations around Central Florida and it would
be nice if I could personally meet other Europa drivers.
So I have create a Google Group called "US/SE Europa Aircraft Flyers" to see if
we can exchange messages about places to go and meet. Maybe not much will come
of it (I tend to be lazy when it comes to maintaining things like this) but
lets give it a try.
For now, you have to ask to join (to provide some level of privacy) or send me
your email and I'll send you an invite.
Of course you don't have to be a flyer or live in the SE or in the US (Heck, everyone
will be accepted as long as you have an interest in the Europa).
I think that anywhere in Florida and Southern Georgia are fair game for Saturday
morning flights.
I don't know much about this Google Groups thing but it was the easiest for me
to set up. I think you can go to the group web page (I think you need a google
account to go there directly) at:
https://groups.google.com/g/usse-europa-aircraft-flyers
or send an email to:
usse-europa-aircraft-flyers(at)googlegroups.com
and request to join.
Well, lets see what happens.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Must be colder where you fly; got the opposite challenge here; place is totally
flooded out now with raging orange waters... so i drank more ballantines and
coffee this morning and spent the day playing with the new science toy... between
a clean featureless airframe and my built example is roughly 180N more drag
and 240N more lift... this afternoon played around with the lower engine cowl
flap and closed in the undercarriage which improved the air stream under the
belly... 30N of drag was reclaimed and 60N of lift was given up with mods to
the cowl vent; the inverted foil added produces 35N of negative lift... enjoying
seeing the numbers come back!!
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| Subject: | Re: Arplast Propeller problems |
| From: | "BobD" <rjdawson14(at)gmail.com> |
The electric motor of my Arplast PV50 motor failed (again !) recently. In my experience, it would seem to have a life of about 250 hrs between failures. From the research I did last time this happened, it would seem a 12V model is available, but perceived wisdom is that this does not have the torque available from the 6V model, and therefore does not have the necessary power to rotate the blades. Maybe this explains the relatively short life of the standard 2224U006SR model. I tried to source a new motor from the UK distributor www.ems-limited.co.uk Although they were very helpful, the best delivery they could offer was 9 weeks.
Fortunately, courtesy of Italianjon of this parish, I was pointed in the direction of a German Company who had them in stock, with a immediate delivery. Even from Europa, the new motor arrived in the UK in less than 14 days. For anyone looking for a replacement motor, I would recommend this company. www.fechtner-modellbau.de
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Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || SmartAss3
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Pete,
Looks like you repainted C-GNPZ. Looks really nice!
Jim
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| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/1 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Starting thread for this week. Snow is off the runway and warmer temps forecast
for this week. Hopefully, N241BW will make first flight for 2022!
Jim
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| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Oops. Messed up the date.
Sorry,
Jim
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| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Messed up the date on previous thread. So, starting new thread.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/7 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Let me try to break the ice here by posting something.
Last weekend I went to an EAA breakfast at 9FL1. Nice flight. Grass runway (the
reason I build my Europa). Tall trees at the approach end made for an interesting
approach in the slippery Europa (most people had issues).
Some pictures attached.
My neighbor Alan Burrows, just three houses from mine, is back from England and
seems interested in getting his nice Europa back in the air. I hope he does.
It would be nice to see a Europa in the air and not from the cockpit. His is a
tri-gear and I know it has been featured in some of the older Europa magazines.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Utter devastation this week; whole region went under water for a few days; Lismore
airfield 4m over its highest mound; all aircraft and hangars destroyed; only
one airfield in the area survived the highest floods on record... very very
sad sight driving around seeing peoples homes lining the streets of mud... very
sad... still no communications networks functioning; had to drive an hour
to access the world today...
So while all around was being ravaged by nature I was sitting in my offgrid home,
unaffected other than having a wild amazonian torrent ripping my driveway to
pieces and cleaning out the creek banks, i could do nothing but sit in front
of the console and play with the digital europa while drinking ballantines and
coffee; crunching numbers; trying different things out around the airframe and
sending it to fully developed stalls, approach configurations, ground effect,
and adding leading edge slats, playing with the engine cowl and main gear fairings.
Its been a very exciting and focused week of flood driven isolation!!!
So far the digital models aerodynamic performance is aligned to real life actuals;
so very happy with the results...
To answer Buds question raised about seeing what may happen flying with full up
elevator trim applied, the numbers indicate this would be an advantage on a short
field approach while maintaining a high nose attitude and enough power to
remain behind the drag curve above and not below 60kt. With cruise power applied
the numbers indicate a controlled stall landing; so rate of decent would be
greater than normal and appears you would have no additional back travel on
the control stick... it will be interesting to see what Buds adventure actually
delivers. The electronic brain could be totally wrong!!!
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| From: | Pete Zut <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 |
- 3/7
That is just terrible news regarding the storms and flooding! I hope
everyone has insurance and can recover. Where are you geographically?
WRT to the trim, the discussion was about full-down trim (as a debatable
contributory cause of that accident), not full-up.
Regards,
PeteZ
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:09 PM Area-51
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> goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com>
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> Utter devastation this week; whole region went under water for a few days
;
> Lismore airfield 4m over its highest mound; all aircraft and hangars
> destroyed; only one airfield in the area survived the highest floods on
> record... very very sad sight driving around seeing peoples homes lining
> the streets of mud... very sad... still no communications networks
> functioning; had to drive an hour to access the world today...
>
> So while all around was being ravaged by nature I was sitting in my
> offgrid home, unaffected other than having a wild amazonian torrent rippi
ng
> my driveway to pieces and cleaning out the creek banks, i could do nothin
g
> but sit in front of the console and play with the digital europa while
> drinking ballantines and coffee; crunching numbers; trying different thin
gs
> out around the airframe and sending it to fully developed stalls, approac
h
> configurations, ground effect, and adding leading edge slats, playing wit
h
> the engine cowl and main gear fairings. Its been a very exciting and
> focused week of flood driven isolation!!!
>
> So far the digital model=99s aerodynamic performance is aligned to
real life
> actuals; so very happy with the results...
>
> To answer Bud=99s question raised about seeing what may happen flyi
ng with
> full up elevator trim applied, the numbers indicate this would be an
> advantage on a short field approach while maintaining a high nose attitud
e
> and enough power to remain behind the drag curve above and not below 60kt
.
> With cruise power applied the numbers indicate a controlled stall landing
;
> so rate of decent would be greater than normal and appears you would have
> no additional back travel on the control stick... it will be interesting
to
> see what Bud=99s adventure actually delivers. The electronic brain
could be
> totally wrong!!!
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| From: | "fklein(at)orcasonline.com" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 |
- 3/7
> On Mar 3, 2022, at 4:52 PM, Pete Zut wrote:
>
> That is just terrible news regarding the storms and flooding! I hope
everyone has insurance and can recover. Where are you geographically?
Lismore airfield is 2 nautical miles south of Lismore in the
Northern Rivers region of New South Wales, Australia
>
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| From: | Fred Klein <freddythek10(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/7 |
Yay!N194XS finally has covered seat cushions
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| From: | Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
=EF=BBHello all,
At times it seems like it=99s one step forward and two steps back. So
it went for me this past week. I thought I was finished with my panel upgr
ade and took the plane up for a test flight. Keep in mind all the component
s were working prior to the final install in the panel.
I enter the flight plan in the 175 and it comes across to the Dynon, great.
I take off and note that the magenta line isn=99t being displayed on m
y moving map, nor is the HSI working properly. I am also getting an error on
the G5 for loss of ARINC429. I get back down and check the setting they se
em good. What=99s going on? It was all working fine before the final i
nstall. I check the Dynon diagnostics and see ARINC labels coming across, y
et no HSI, odd. I email Dynon, they scratch their head and can=99t fi
gure it out, settings look good. Maybe the Dynon doesn=99t like to pl
ay with the G5, and they suggest disconnecting it from the system, even thou
gh I told them it was working previously.
Frustrated, I head out to the plane and remove the center panel to gain acce
ss to the G5 and GAD29 which required that I remove the com radio and GPS. I
go to reinstall the GPS in its tray and something doesn=99t feel righ
t. I pull it back out and peer inside the tray and that do I find, a bent p
in in the tray connector. Ugh. I confirm the bent pin is for ARINC out. T
hat makes sense.
Optimistic as ever I think I can straighten the pin while in the tray. Who w
as I kidding. I had to remove the trays and wiring harness from the plane.
What a PITA it was. I replaced the pin which was no small feat. Then I re
connected the harness and did a quick functional check without the trays and
everything worked. I then move on to reinstalling everything into the pane
l. As I was installing the trays I found myself pushing against the pins i
n the connector. Fortunately, I realized what I was doing and stopped befor
e bending any more pins. Mystery solved. Those HD pins are tiny and very, v
ery fragile.
Here's a picture of the panel upgrade which is complete for the most part.
Erich
N28ET Classic Mono 914
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/7 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Up near the Goldcoast Queensland... many people in the affected area are not insured;
lost everything, some planes included; premiums will be expensive on renewal!!...
many people still missing in one district presumed washed away or buried
in mudslides in their houses... for some reason mobile carriers are preventing
comms access to local residents while interstate registered residents enjoy
uninterrupted full network service access; trying to fathom the brains trust
required to administrate that strategy???
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/7 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Heck airfield flood gauge... Lismore airfield... almost unrecognisable as aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Nice job Erich.
I like how clean and simple it looks (yes, I guess the back side doesn't look simple).
I hope your install now works properly.
Best regards,
Chris
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| From: | Fred Klein <freddythek10(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | FAA rules for hiring a CFI for training in a Euiropa |
USA Europa pilots,
Has any one hired a CFI pilot for getting their BFR in their Europa?and if so,
was there any FAA paperwork required?
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/7 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Went to Lismore today to help clean up; no words to describe the scene there...
the entire town and industrial estate have been wiped out and most all without
flood insurance... just totally utterly destroyed... very very sad... clubhouse
is destroyed; spent the day salvaging equipment and ripping the place down
for rebuild... The Orion that sat at the north end of the hangars is now 600m
south resting in the grass, one of its wings is km away down at Sand Point...Lancair
235 went for a slide on its canopy and nose halfway down the runway; destroyed,
just everything destroyed...going back tomorrow to help some more...
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/7 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Went to Lismore today to help clean up; no words to describe the scene there...
the entire town and industrial estate have been wiped out and most all without
flood insurance... just totally utterly destroyed... very very sad... clubhouse
is destroyed; spent the day salvaging equipment and ripping the place down
for rebuild... The Orion that sat at the north end of the hangars is now 600m
south resting in the grass, one of its wings is km away down at Sand Point...Lancair
235 went for a slide on its canopy and nose halfway down the runway; destroyed,
just everything destroyed...going back tomorrow to help some more...
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/7 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Went to Lismore today to help clean up; no words to describe the scene there...
the entire town and industrial estate have been wiped out and most all without
flood insurance... just totally utterly destroyed... very very sad... clubhouse
is destroyed; spent the day salvaging equipment and ripping the place down
for rebuild... The Orion that sat at the north end of the hangars is now 600m
south resting in the grass, one of its wings is km away down at Sand Point...Lancair
235 went for a slide on its canopy and nose halfway down the runway; destroyed,
just everything destroyed...going back tomorrow to help some more...
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/7 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Went to Lismore today to help clean up; no words to describe the scene there...
the entire town and industrial estate have been wiped out and most all without
flood insurance... just totally utterly destroyed... very very sad... clubhouse
is destroyed; spent the day salvaging equipment and ripping the place down
for rebuild... The Orion that sat at the north end of the hangars is now 600m
south resting in the grass, one of its wings is km away down at Sand Point...Lancair
235 went for a slide on its canopy and nose halfway down the runway; destroyed,
just everything destroyed...going back tomorrow to help some more...
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| Subject: | Re: FAA rules for hiring a CFI for training in a Euiropa |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Fred,
When I give a Flight Review in an experimental I ask the owner to get a LODA. Its
easy and, last time we applied for one a couple of weeks ago, it was received
the same day of the application. Technically I believe that if I as the CFI
have it we are covered but I still ask the aircraft owner to get it just in case
the FAA is in a bad mood.
Check online how to get it. Its just a paperwork formality.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: FAA rules for hiring a CFI for training in a Euiropa |
| From: | "SPURPURA" <SPURPURA(at)aol.com> |
Ive had at least 6 BFRs in my Europa using 4 different CFIs with no problems or
LODA.
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N951EU - Tri-gear & 912ULS, N77EU- Mono & 914
I'D RATHER HAVE A BOTTLE IN FRONT OF ME THAN A FRONTAL LABOTAMY.
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| From: | "fklein(at)orcasonline.com" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA rules for hiring a CFI for training in a Euiropa |
thank you very much Sam,
Happy Landings,
Fred
> On Mar 6, 2022, at 6:19 AM, SPURPURA wrote:
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> I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ve had at least 6 BFR=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s
in my Europa using 4 different CFI=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s with no
problems or LODA.
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> N951EU - Tri-gear & 912ULS, N77EU- Mono & 914
> I'D RATHER HAVE A BOTTLE IN FRONT OF ME THAN A FRONTAL LABOTAMY.
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| From: | "fklein(at)orcasonline.com" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA rules for hiring a CFI for training in a Euiropa |
and thank you too Chrismuch obliged
Fred
> On Mar 6, 2022, at 5:06 AM, n7188u wrote:
>
> Fred,
>
> When I give a Flight Review in an experimental I ask the owner to get
a LODA. It=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s easy and, last time we applied for
one a couple of weeks ago, it was received the same day of the
application. Technically I believe that if I as the CFI have it we are
covered but I still ask the aircraft owner to get it just in case the
FAA is in a bad mood.
>
> Check online how to get it. It=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s just a
paperwork formality.
>
> Chris
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| From: | Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/21 - 2/28 |
Thanks Chris. All of the equipment is working nicely and playing well together.
You are correct, not as clean behind the panel, although not as bad as you might
imagine. Fortunately, I was able to construct the wiring harness such that
the Dynon ARINC module, GAD29, G5, and GPS175 are all tied together on one harness,
with the individual power and ground wires for the components going to a
single 9 pin female DSub connector and a power/ground block that I fabricated
from the male connector.
This makes the installation and removal of the components and harness much easier,
as the only fixed connection behind the panel is the male Dsub connector carrying
power and ground. The Dynon ARINC module connects to the Skyview system
via a single network cable, while all the Garmin components are interconnected
to each other.
Hope that makes sense.
Erich
N28ET
Classic Mono 914
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| From: | Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Dynon Pitch Autopilot |
Hello all,
Does anyone have the Dynon pitch AP servo installed on their Europa. If so, could
you please provide me with the settings utilized?
Thank you,
Erich
N28ET Classic Mono 914
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| Subject: | Lift & Drag Coefficient |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Does anyone have any data to share regarding Lift and Drag coefficient of the Europas
wing?
Thanks...
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| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Fred,
I posted a thread concerning this on Oct 5. The link to the FAA website is there.
Just SEARCH Europa List using LODA. You do need to have a LODA for your
Europa but it's free and easy to obtain. This is a rule change that was effective
last Fall.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/7 |
| From: | "John Kirkgaard" <john.kirkegaard(at)gmail.com> |
It's so terrible to see all these disasters. Hope you are well and no human
lives has been lost.
Feel almost too safe here in small quiet Denmark. (Except from seeing
what's happening a few hundred miles eastwards)
Keep safe.
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| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Have you read the two Dykins booklets? There is some information in them.
If you don't have them, I think I have scanned copies.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/7 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
We managed to get a short first flight for 2022 on Friday. The snow melted and
it was sunny and pleasant.
Saturday we discovered that the brake pads were a little worn and the piston was
cocked in the caliper which explained why the brakes were marginal the previous
day. All corrected now.
Today, Monday, its cold and we have had rain, sleet and snow this morning. There's
about an inch of snow accumulated.
Jim
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| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week 3/7 - 3/14 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Starting the thread for this week.
Jim
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| From: | timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - |
3/7
Jim,
I reconditioned my brakes the other day after a complete failure. About 20 y
ears use, which is good, with some fluid replacements through the years. Rem
oved the master brake cylinder top screw cap, drain brake fluid, disconnecti
ng the brake tube and removed the complete unit. Replaced the o-ring and spr
ing rubber seal. Most important to use rubber grease to get new o-ring and s
eal back, seated correctly. Reinstalled the master cylinder and connect brak
e tube.
Then dismantled the Europa brake calipar, disconnecting the tube, removed th
e calipar from the disc, remove the piston and replaced the brake pads and p
iston o-ring. Reinstalled the piston using rubber grease to seat it probabl
y, making sure it moves evenly. Then reinstalled the calipar onto the brake d
isc and lock wired. Primed it from the tyre end with an oil can and plastic t
ube, forcing brake fluid up into master cylinder until overflowing, which yo
u see from below, and then replaced master brake cylinder screw cap. Exercis
e brake lever then redo priming to get all the air out and =9Chey pres
to=9D a new brake. Very satisfying. Luckily had a local Brake shop tha
t had the o-rings and spring rubber seal and did the new pads.
For what it=99s worth.
Tim
Sent from my iPad
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
021 0640221
> On 8/03/2022, at 6:23 AM, h&jeuropa wrote:
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on was cocked in the caliper which explained why the brakes were marginal th
e previous day. All corrected now.
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There's about an inch of snow accumulated.
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| Subject: | TACHO and FLYDAT |
| From: | "Patrick Tunney" <p1tun(at)yahoo.co.uk> |
Hi
I am not having much success with pairing a Flydat and a Aviasport / Rotax tacho.
The Flydat records correct RPM but the Tacho reads half of the Flydat.
If i disconnect the Flydat the Tacho reads correct.
Has anybody else experienced this issue or is there a special way to wire the pair
together.
I have read all guides and understand the need for a resistor but i dont think
i am at that point.
I would be interested to hear from any user that has both the Flydat and a Tacho
Thanks
Pat
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| Subject: | Wing Tent and travel cover |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Group
Does anyone offer a nice tent for sleeping under Europa wing? Perhaps made out
of really thin Silicone high performance Parachute cloth that slips over wing,
is enclosed with zipper down windows on ends? Will probably stuff into softball
size.
Same question about travel cover for Europa including 1 blade of Airmaster condom?
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Lift & Drag Coefficient |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Yes Jim, thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tent and travel cover |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Ron,
I dunno about the tent but I bought a used lightweight travel RV-6 canopy cover
(or 7, I would have to check) with the hope that it would kind sort of fit.
Guess what, it fits like a glove! It is just a tad short on the sides but fits
fine. The shape is indeed correct.
I can take some pictures if you want to see it on.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: TACHO and FLYDAT |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
I know you are talking about a different unit but I was told I couldnt have both
my new mgl ems-1 and the rotax tach at the same time (per mgl). So left the
rotax tach connector and wiring untouched and ran a new wire and connector for
the mgl. That way, if Im traveling, I can swap if the mgl fails (not in the air
of course). I guess I could have a switch but too lazy to do that.
Still, if anyone knows how to have both working Im all ears. Probably just an impedance
issue.
Chris
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| Subject: | Wing root fairings |
| From: | "daaza22" <royledarren(at)gmail.com> |
Hi everybody
Has anybody got a pair "wing root fairings" that they don't need and
are willing to sell ?
or is they a good "how too guide " anywhere on making your own
Fairing ?
Cheers Darren
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tent and travel cover |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris
If you don't mind would appreciate pics. Installed and packed away if not too much
of a hassle. Thx. Ron P.
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| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
NP Ron. Will do tomorrow. Its pretty neat. Its so small and light I keep it in
the plane all the time just in case.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tent and travel cover |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Found one picture of the cover when I parked in Miami. Tomorrow l take some more.
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| Subject: | Re: Airfoil Profiles |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Does anyone have a top down photo or plan drawing of the wing root fairing? A few
guys on the post here were interested to see what the actual CFD simulation
data would reveal? Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - 3/7 |
| From: | "Freedance" <PippaGibson6sQiY(at)yahoo.com> |
Fortunately, I was not affected in any way, but my wife and I have been following
the news. It's a terrible situation.
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 2/28 - |
3/7
Trying to hunt down an interesting (concerning?) cruise resonance. Eliminat
ing any unbalanced prop contribution using the very nice piece of kit from S
mart Avionics, the PB40 using dual two axis accelerometers (i also have his s
martass in both my planes).
Having used the dynavib in the past, i find the pb40 provides much more info
, including spectrums, and the two accelerometers allows me to measure in al
l axis=99, including torsional resonances. Still digesting the differe
nces when the resonance kicks off.
I did find that short-run ground balancing isn't good enough to get a consis
tent result, and the dynamics in flight also appear to effect the results. S
o fly with it i did.
Cheers,
Pete
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| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Issues I have with this modification;
1. Call me annal, drilling holes into and through the fuselage skin establishes
a stress point that may not but could lead to something worse than a door departing
the aircraft; this possibility has not been adequately addressed yet.
2. I dont believe this modification sufficiently negates the possibility of the
inexperienced from still, somehow, getting the door misaligned and locked at
the same time. Although it is a good attempt and may very well work, lets hope
all the time, it still lends itself to operational failure. Its not 100% idiot
proof... And not everyone is nimble enough to visually check, so we are back
to square one again.
Best Failsafe Solution Possible - fit two series wired switches to the end of each
shoot bolt pin, per door, activating a, 100% the door is secured for take
off, visual indication lamp on the instrument panel; Left Door Secured / Right
Door Secured - Done
Sorry if Ive offended anybody here, I simply come from the school of find the hole
in the swiss cheese and do it right or just go home.
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| From: | timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz> |
Avi,
Has it become a mandatory Airworthy Directive in Australia? Here in NZ it ha
s, as our CAA tends to follow UK CAA. I have just installed it, not a good l
ook!
Tim
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ishes a stress point that may not but could lead to something worse than a d
oor departing the aircraft; this possibility has not been adequately address
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ibility of the inexperienced from still, somehow, getting the door misaligne
d and locked at the same time. Although it is a good attempt and may very we
ll work, lets hope all the time, it still lends itself to operational failur
e. It=99s not 100% idiot proof... And not everyone is nimble enough to
visually check, so we are back to square one again.
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of each shoot bolt pin, per door, activating a, 100% the door is secured fo
r take off, visual indication lamp on the instrument panel; Left Door Secure
d / Right Door Secured =94=94- Done
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| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Tim, i need to check on whether CASA RaAus require it so... whether its aesthetically
pleasing to the eye is subjective as an individual perspective and needs
to be put aside. My issue regards the design logic driving the modification
being preventing the latch from action as opposed to ensuring success of the
latch action; one method is 100% guaranteed while the other is not. Its just
not a well thought out or executed solution to the issue at hand.
The europa is a hallmark of efficient safe design; this solution as is is not efficient
or safe.
As a group we can do better than this...
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tent and travel cover |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Ron,
Apologies for the delay in replying to this. Here are some pictures. As you can
see, the cover easily fits inside a ZipLock Freezer Gallon bag. It is very small
when folded with the straps taking a good portion of the storage space.
The cover fits really well. I wish it covered the intake air scoop but it doesn't.
the story with this cover is that I got it at a hangar sale. It was allegedly made
for an RV-6 but I have no way to confirm since it has no markings. In fact,
I am not sure who made it. Generally the good brand cover makers (Kennon, Bruce)
have some identifying labels. This one doesn't. The quality is descent but
again not sure were it came from. I really don't think it is from Bruce or Kennon
as their covers are considerably sturdier.
I did an internet search for RV-6 covers and found this photo in which the cover
looks very similar to mine:
https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/7611388
I per some reading and looking at pictures I suspect it is made by Cleveland Aircraft
Tools. Apparently the early ones didn't have the logo in them. Maybe you
can call them and ask them for better pictures or to try to identify this one.
https://www.cleavelandtool.com/products/rv679-canopy-cover
Some discussion in the Vans forum:
https://vansairforce.net/community/showthread.php?t=151996
Too bad is so hard to identify. It's certainly not a long term use cover but it's
so small and light I just have it in the airplane all the time in case it has
to spend a night or two away from home.
Best,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tent and travel cover |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Chris Thank you for posting pics. I have an Airmaster / Warp Drive prop, not
the worst idea to cover top blade and spinner in the rain.
Could sew up a cover that covered spinner / top blade and front of cowl and went
back as far as yours? Would use Silicone impregnated fabric, only problem is
if you walk on it, it's as slippery as banana peels! Ron
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| From: | "fklein(at)orcasonline.com" <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Tent and travel cover |
RonBruce coverings make two Europa covers; one light weight for occasional use,
and the other of heavier weight for seasonal useI have the heavier weight one
but do not know off hand what it weighs; its very nicely made w/ good straps
etc. You would need something in addition to deal with your Airmaster and I believe
youre correct in anticipating that keeping the rain and moisture out of
the hub would be a good thing to do.
Check out Bruces webpage,
Fred
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back as far as yours? Would use Silicone impregnated fabric, only problem
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| From: | "John Wighton" <john(at)wighton.net> |
As per my original posts on this subject, the Mod is reactive rather than constructive.
A properly run company would have taken this in house and worked with
the LAA and AAIB to create a solution proportional to the issue. A mandatory
SB issued by the LAA amounts to an MPD in plain anguage.
The solution adopted is technically very poor. It is also very ugly.
The root cause of doors coming off the aircraft hasn't been addressed. The 3d
printed solution will, l suspect, not prove to be sufficiently robust. Those
who have opted to follow Iss 1 of the Mod now have closely spaced holes adjacent
to a load high spot (door frame aperture), as pointed out by Area51 this could
lead to degradation of the primary structure.
I am progressing an alternate Mod that utilises a cross drilled hole in the front
latch pin, secured manually by a short pip pin and pendant. This is a positive
lock that prevents the front pin from sliding backwards, thereby making the
status of the rear pin irrelevant.
Following the Iss 2 of the Mod allows the bonding of the mouldings to the aircraft
skin. This mitigates the possibility of crack propagation but makes no difference
to the Ugliness.
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Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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| From: | D McFadyean <ami-mcfadyean(at)talktalk.net> |
How does a rescuer (in the event of some emergency) open the door from the outside?
D McF.
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A properly run company would have taken this in house and worked with
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SB issued by the LAA amounts to an MPD in plain anguage.
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printed solution will, l suspect, not prove to be sufficiently robust. Those
who have opted to follow Iss 1 of the Mod now have closely spaced holes adjacent
to a load high spot (door frame aperture), as pointed out by Area51 this
could lead to degradation of the primary structure.
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latch pin, secured manually by a short pip pin and pendant. This is a positive
lock that prevents the front pin from sliding backwards, thereby making
the status of the rear pin irrelevant.
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skin. This mitigates the possibility of crack propagation but makes no
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| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for voicing your thoughts John, its a possible solution and Duncan has gone
to my own first bit of swiss cheese thinking... I've been told warning lamps
are not considered a good enough solution; why i have no idea; airbus boeing
lockheed use them, but hey clearly not good enough concept for light sport aircraft...
i thought about an alignment pin and cone assembly to ensure the hatch
is guided into correct position and that would require cutting into the structure
and somebody will still manage to somehow loose a door...
If i can offer some basic and seldom observed fit for purpose design methodology
here good design is not an instant process; the idea may be instant yes, and
then it requires validation against a standard of defined presets; these are
the targets or kpi's to measure the outcome against through the development process.
in order to get to that outcome it's imperative to continue asking the
same two questions a) how did i arrive at this solusion/idea?, and b) can I break
this solution?... and you just keep going through back and forward until
validation is achieved and the set standard is met; and that's it.
You have to look at all the "what ifs", and it requires the ability to sometimes
be the dumbest humble person in the room and the courage to tell someone "your
idea is crap, now let me tell you why".
John raised a valid point in stating the reason for the door departing the aircraft
has not been addressed; he broke the solution... clearly the doors flexing
too much is the root cause and real issue here... is it realistic to put an
AD out to have rigid carbon or ceramic doors fitted? Probably not due to the cost...
second distinction he made was the idea is reactionary... i believe John
was being polite; i'm not, it's a lego brick.
One person has suggested lights and audible warning system; i think this is probably
the best solution for many reasons, that's probably why boeing lockheed
and airbus use it; that's the solutiony going into my aircraft... And yes, as
with everything, as sure as the sun will shine and rain will fall, even if fitted
to all europas, some idiot somewhere some day will still manage to screw up
and loose a door; 100% guaranteed.
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
Fwiw, my classic has lights yes, but that third mid door shoot bolt totally solves
the issue, as it is not possible to close the door without engaging it, and
if it is engaged, the the rear shoot bolt is too.
A simpler solution is to add a static mid door pin, which would effectively do
the same job - ie, if its engaged the so is the rear, as it would pull the door
in and ensure alignment.
Cheers,
PeteZ
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> Thanks for voicing your thoughts John, its a possible solution and Duncan has
gone to my own first bit of swiss cheese thinking... I've been told warning lamps
are not considered a good enough solution; why i have no idea; airbus boeing
lockheed use them, but hey clearly not good enough concept for light sport
aircraft... i thought about an alignment pin and cone assembly to ensure the
hatch is guided into correct position and that would require cutting into the
structure and somebody will still manage to somehow loose a door...
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> If i can offer some basic and seldom observed fit for purpose design methodology
here good design is not an instant process; the idea may be instant yes,
and then it requires validation against a standard of defined presets; these are
the targets or kpi's to measure the outcome against through the development
process. in order to get to that outcome it's imperative to continue asking the
same two questions a) how did i arrive at this solusion/idea?, and b) can I
break this solution?... and you just keep going through back and forward until
validation is achieved and the set standard is met; and that's it.
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> You have to look at all the "what ifs", and it requires the ability to sometimes
be the dumbest humble person in the room and the courage to tell someone "your
idea is crap, now let me tell you why".
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> John raised a valid point in stating the reason for the door departing the aircraft
has not been addressed; he broke the solution... clearly the doors flexing
too much is the root cause and real issue here... is it realistic to put an
AD out to have rigid carbon or ceramic doors fitted? Probably not due to the
cost... second distinction he made was the idea is reactionary... i believe John
was being polite; i'm not, it's a lego brick.
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the best solution for many reasons, that's probably why boeing lockheed
and airbus use it; that's the solutiony going into my aircraft... And yes, as
with everything, as sure as the sun will shine and rain will fall, even if fitted
to all europas, some idiot somewhere some day will still manage to screw
up and loose a door; 100% guaranteed.
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| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Sounds like a valid concept Peter and would affectively provide similar and greater
function as John's pip pin idea mentioned above... so if i read the concept
correctly an additional center located shoot bolt drives vertically down as
the outer existing ones drive outward? That would provide me the cone and pin
alighnment solution i was seeking... what's involved to affect this mod and has
anyone installed it on an aircraff yet? Sounds pretty idiot proof...
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
I plan on the passive fixed version for my build, but Troy Manor implemented
the center active shoot bolt very successfully on my flying mono. Works gre
at. I believe there are also others, to reduce the door bowing outward at hi
gher cruise speeds- its original intent.
PeteZ
C-GNPZ
classic
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d greater function as John's pip pin idea mentioned above... so if i read th
e concept correctly an additional center located shoot bolt drives verticall
y down as the outer existing ones drive outward? That would provide me the c
one and pin alighnment solution i was seeking... what's involved to affect t
his mod and has anyone installed it on an aircraff yet? Sounds pretty idiot p
roof...
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| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Here are my notes concerning the passive version. I got these many years ago and
have thought about installing but have not as yet.
Jim
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| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Jim, your notes there answered my question regarding Peter's input and how
the passive concept works and how the door is opened from the outside in the
event of an emergency. I must have a really well constructed build; have not
experienced these levels of door flexure. Would appear they are not fabricated
with not enough layup layers in the first place perhaps?
The passive system is workable however it addresses a separate issue and doesn't
meet what I would consider sufficient to mitigate the overall risk in review...
Peter are there any drawings available of Troy's mod? The position of the
third pin is not at a stress point, so I have no issue cutting into the door or
channel and adding additional reinforcing layups; it addresses the overall risk
quite well, why has the factory not addressed this earlier?
I'm keen to hear from other aircraft owners on how this mod may not sufficiently
meet the existing risk factor, it's the best solution I have seen presented
so far.
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
Sorry, nope, its a roll your own deal ;)
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how the passive concept works and how the door is opened from the outside in
the event of an emergency. I must have a really well constructed build; have not
experienced these levels of door flexure. Would appear they are not fabricated
with not enough layup layers in the first place perhaps?
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meet what I would consider sufficient to mitigate the overall risk in review...
Peter are there any drawings available of Troy's mod? The position of the
third pin is not at a stress point, so I have no issue cutting into the door
or channel and adding additional reinforcing layups; it addresses the overall
risk quite well, why has the factory not addressed this earlier?
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meet the existing risk factor, it's the best solution I have seen presented
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| From: | Fred Klein <freddythek10(at)gmail.com> |
I love Jim=99s solution with the little blocks; as I understand
it, not only does it prevent the shoot bolts from engaging unless the
door is properly aligned for both front and rear bolts, but it also has
the potential for solving the unsightly bulge when the door is locked in
place. I definitely will be adding them.
In my case, in order to ensure that the rear shoot bolt is properly
aligned, I=99ve found it necessary to add a little hand-hold (a
scrap of 1/8=9D Lastafoam w/ a couple of layers of BID) which,
when in the right seat, I reach across my chest with my right hand, pull
the door inward, while my left hand throws the latch into the forward
and locked positionBob=99s your uncle !!
Fred
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| From: | "dmac7" <dmac7(at)outlook.com> |
For anyone interested in further ideas with a third shoot bolt, I suggest they
look at cliff Shaw's album of photos on europaowners.org he left photos of a design
he got from " Bob " it has no shoot bolts in the door but has three just
the same they are in the fuselage and door handle is also on fuselage under the
door. Keeps his door light and secure. The third shoot bolt was a topic of
discussion on the list back 20 years ago.
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| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
It's my understanding that the LAA is the body responsible for initiating and approving
the lego brick as fit for purpose and not the factory?? Somebody, maybe
more than one, clearly needs to go back to school there urgently... The lego
brick is a very lazy and grossly inadequate effort. Was therer any public/community
consultation on this issue?
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
Indeed that page has the design that Troy incorporated in his door, adding t
o the stock linkage:
http://europaowners.org/gallery2/v/WileE/Three-Shoot-bolts/Bob_s3rdshootbolt
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Cheers,
PeteZ
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| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/14 3/21 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Starting thread for this week.
Forecast is for temps in the 50s this week so snow should be done and we can fly
again. Looking forward to it!
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Tim,
I have to report that Lo and Behold I received a little package from the other
side of the planet!
Only took 4 weeks so not too bad :)
I felt so bad at unstitching the boot (it's kind of neat with that smooth New Zealand
leather) that made my job hard and somehow created some patterns. I will
make a sample and see how it goes.
Thanks,
Chris
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| From: | timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
Chris,
Pleased it arrived safely. Still have faith in the postal system despite the
time factor these days. Good luck in the replication of it, would be intere
sted to hear and see how in turns out. Don=99t know where the other on
e is!
All the best,
Tim
Sent from my iPad
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12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
021 0640221
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/14 3/21 |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Went back into the digital world between helping clean up flood damage and waiting
for flying conditions to improve.
Decided to see what wing root flares do in cruise config; short answer, not a great
deal... they look pretty and clean up the air flow. The gains in drag reduction
are minor compared against standard factory config. If anything they probably
reduce noise; smidgen of drag reduction and lift increase.
Remodelled the canopy slightly to match actuals closer; thought the sleeker rake
would improve performance; surprised to see the data go the other way... and
that may change again once an active spinning prop gets introduced into the solution.
Lismore town and airfield still destroyed...
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/14 3/21 |
| From: | "MikeP" <mpotts(at)clara.net> |
I have not flown for ages, due Wx and other issues.
Yesterday in what might be call good English Spring weather I spent much of an
hour trying out how not to spin whilst practising higher bank gliding turns.
So if I have EFOT I need at least 600ft.
Will try again sometime.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Well, a boot (with NZ roots) is born :)
Not as nice as the leather version from Tim but since I am not a seamster by trade
I think I did OK. I bought a Singer Heavy Duty 4411 (not industrial) machine
that was relatively inexpensive a while back with hopes of doing my seats (not
sure anymore that I want to do something like that but the machine is always
handy to have around) and got a walking foot attachment which seems to be useful
particularly when sewing the velcros.
I made a fence that I will bond to the floor (avoid doing any layups inside the
airplane anymore if I can).
Made it out of the thinnest and most stretchy vinyl fabric I could find. Have not
installed it yet but will report when I do.
Thanks for the sample Tim. It really helped getting this done relatively quick.
Best,
Chris
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| From: | timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
Hi Chris,
Well done. Looks good and fibreglass fence essential. Velcro makes it easy t
o inspect control column universal on annual inspection, by simply shifting b
oot up the column.
Cheers,
Tim
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Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
021 0640221
> On 19/03/2022, at 4:01 AM, n7188u wrote:
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> Well, a boot (with NZ roots) is born :)
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> Not as nice as the leather version from Tim but since I am not a seamster b
y trade I think I did OK. I bought a Singer Heavy Duty 4411 (not industrial)
machine that was relatively inexpensive a while back with hopes of doing my
seats (not sure anymore that I want to do something like that but the machi
ne is always handy to have around) and got a walking foot attachment which s
eems to be useful particularly when sewing the velcros.
>
> I made a fence that I will bond to the floor (avoid doing any layups insid
e the airplane anymore if I can).
>
> Made it out of the thinnest and most stretchy vinyl fabric I could find. H
ave not installed it yet but will report when I do.
>
> Thanks for the sample Tim. It really helped getting this done relatively q
uick.
>
> Best,
> Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Airfoil Profiles |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Area 51 (sorry I can't find your name),
The plots you have posted look very interesting, but I have no knowledge of what
they are really showing. Could you post some explanation of what the colors
mean and how to interpret them or point us to a explanation document?
What I'd really like to see is an article for the Europa Flyer that explains your
work and what it means to us.
It might also be helpful if you labelled each plot with what it is showing, not
just the jpeg identifier.
Keep up the good work!
Jim Butcher
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/14 3/21 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Finally, the weather gods cooperated this week! We did a short flight one day
to practice some landings on pavement. They went well.
Another day, we did an hour flight to Owosso, MI, then walked the path along the
Shiawassee River to Corunna, MI where we enjoyed ice cream. Tail wind going
and head wind returning. Our new dog Finn did really well with this adventure.
He really likes to look out the window.
Jim & Heather
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| From: | timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | STERNA Propeller |
Hi,
Anyone have any experience with Sterna Propeller? Thinking of replacing my W
arpDrive propellers.
Cheers,
Tim
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12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
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| From: | Brian Phillips <barp99(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Andair fuel valve install |
I'm installing an Andair FS20 fuel valve in a virgin cockpit module in
an XS trigear, to LAA mod SM13342, mounted on the improved access
position. The original valve access panel conflicts with this mod, so I
have reshaped the access panel to be lower and rectangular, see photos,
so access is still available for roll pin insertion, can anyone see any
issues with this proposed access panel shape ?
Brian Phillips
Aus.
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| Subject: | Re: Andair fuel valve install |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Brian
I just completed installing my cowl access covers. I used an American Quarter for
the radius of my corners which seems about the same as you have laid out. I
used an Xacto mini vertical saw to cut out the radius and a mini model back saw
to cut out the straights. Very thin cuts. Anyway if I were to do it again would
use minimum of a UShalf dollar or better a silver dollar radius. It may save
you some tedious fill after you fail to follow line as close as you anticipated.
That said "when" you need some fill, JB KWIK Weld is pretty strong, sands good
enough and if you catch it after about 10 minutes with a sharp knife, it slices
like leather. I needed to fill the edges on my covers and the JB KWIK worked
great. I added some 3/4 oz Model cloth over the rivets and filled edges of cover
to support better.
Ron P.
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| From: | Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Andair fuel valve install |
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| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 - 3/28 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Starting thread for this week.
Jim
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| Subject: | Passive mid door pin and striker |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Group I was doing some work on doors tonight and began fooling with closing
with the rear shoot bolt not engaged. we installed a Passive Stainless Pin and
Striker mid point on door and sill as recommended by Nev. We also strengthened
the lower door sill with a piece of Balsa and some glass to stiffen that. Anyway
the mid passive pin works great not only to keep the mid door from bulging,
but if it isn't engaged it's really hard to close the door. I forced both doors
closed with rear shoot bolt not engaged and you really need to work at it.
Once door is closed, the slightest push mid door and it pops opened. The pin
not being engaged really makes the door look wonky and quite obvious. We also
have switches to illuminate a light and an alarm that goes off if above about
50% power.
Here's some pics:
http://www.europaowners.org/gallery2/v/Begin-06-2003/Cockpit+above+door+sills/album246/?g2_page=21
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Passive mid door pin and striker |
| From: | "JonathanMilbank" <jdmilbank(at)yahoo.co.uk> |
I did something similar to this maybe 15 years ago and indeed it makes it a lot
harder not to close the door properly, but not impossible. So I've installed
the latest LAA mod, which isn't pretty but is foolproof as far as I can tell.
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| From: | William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 - 3/28 |
Flew up to Sebastian Communications in Merritt Island to get my 24 month
xpndr check. 15 mins and USD100 later all done. Nice people.
196 nm /2:20 and 10 mins longer on the way back for headwinds. Flying at
5000 at 29in.
what a privilege.
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+1 786 878 0246
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 9:00 PM h&jeuropa wrote:
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> Jim
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| From: | Alan Twigg <alan.twigg775(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | What did you do with you EUROPA |
Finally got most of my sensors to talk to the new Kanardia Daqu/Digi. Great improvement
from my old generation Flydat and it is in my eye-line. 30 minutes flying
plus soaring up 500 ft, Winter vario also works.
Roll on Summer soaring.
Alan Twigg
Motorglider Wings G-GIWT
Kit 463.
Sent from my iPad
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| From: | Pete Zut <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with you EUROPA |
awesome!
Please keep the soaring pireps coming! Inspiration for us long wing
builders.
Still chasing down my intermittent resonance.
Question for folks: what typical pull values are folks seeing for their
gearbox dog friction measurement? I'm near the low limit of 22ft-lbs.
Cheers,
Pete
On Tue., Mar. 22, 2022, 1:19 p.m. Alan Twigg,
wrote:
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> Finally got most of my sensors to talk to the new Kanardia Daqu/Digi.
> Great improvement from my old generation Flydat and it is in my eye-line.
> 30 minutes flying plus soaring up 500 ft, Winter vario also works.
> Roll on Summer soaring.
> Alan Twigg
> Motorglider Wings G-GIWT
> Kit 463.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 - 3/28 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Will,
We crossed paths! Last Friday I flew to North Perry (KHWO) in Hollywood to visit
family so I was close to your base. Flew down with my son and returned with
my daughter on Sunday so they both got to travel a little with the Europa. My
daughter loved it!
My wife drove down and then up with one of the kids (now they are sorry that we
don't have the four seater anymore which rarely got to be used with the whole
family onboard :) )
You took the opposite route to get to Merritt Island. It's very close to my airport
(only a few miles south and flew over Merritt on my way home). Next time
send me a note and maybe we can meet.
Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Control Column Boot |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
I Think this will be my last update on this. Finished the pilot side and it sure
looks good (if you don't get too close to it :) ) I got the boot finished for
the copilot side but need to make the fence, attach velcro and bond in place.
If anyone is interested in patterns I can scan and provide then but only if I get
permission from Tim W. since it's his boot design. It sure helped not have
to design yet another thing in the Europa (kind of fun bit gets old toward the
end :? )
Best,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with you EUROPA |
| From: | "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Pete On our 914 circa 2005 which is new and only run at factory, I pulled the
gearbox to inspect things and purged oil system and got oil pressure. Engine
was at room temp with Mobil 1 10w30 oil. It also has a B&C SD20S alternator on
the vacuum pad which definitely adds to friction. I measured January 284.4 inch
lbs., or 17.8 foot lbs.
Maximum allowable friction is 1,328 inch lbs., or 83 foot lbs., so I was just about
22% allowable. Ron P.
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| From: | Pete Zut <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with you EUROPA |
My bad I wasn't clear enough.... I was speaking of the locked-crankshaft
dog-clutch friction test as per the pic of the Line maintenance manual
attached.
I am very near the minimum torque spec (22-51.6ft-lbs), with a freshly
serviced (by the local authorized rotax center) box.... discouraging.
I was wondering what other folks are seeing typically.... ie - near the
bottom as well? Or nicely centered in the range (and @ how many hours).
Cheers and thanks!
PeteZ
C-GNPZ
912ULS
[image: dogtorque.jpg]
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 5:23 PM rparigoris wrote:
>
> Hi Pete On our 914 circa 2005 which is new and only run at factory, I
> pulled the gearbox to inspect things and purged oil system and got oil
> pressure. Engine was at room temp with Mobil 1 10w30 oil. It also has a B&C
> SD20S alternator on the vacuum pad which definitely adds to friction. I
> measured January 284.4 inch lbs., or 17.8 foot lbs.
> Maximum allowable friction is 1,328 inch lbs., or 83 foot lbs., so I was
> just about 22% allowable. Ron P.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506370#506370
>
>
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| From: | Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with you EUROPA |
PeteZ,
If the minimum wasn=92t good enough, there wouldn=92t be a minimum I guess.
My last rebuild from a prop strike was just out of overhaul and was about 2
5 pounds (ish) after install and lube.
Bud Yerly
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr
onics.com> On Behalf Of Pete Zut
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with you EUROPA
My bad I wasn't clear enough.... I was speaking of the locked-crankshaft do
g-clutch friction test as per the pic of the Line maintenance manual attach
ed.
I am very near the minimum torque spec (22-51.6ft-lbs), with a freshly serv
iced (by the local authorized rotax center) box.... discouraging.
I was wondering what other folks are seeing typically.... ie - near the bot
tom as well? Or nicely centered in the range (and @ how many hours).
Cheers and thanks!
PeteZ
C-GNPZ
912ULS
[cid:image001.jpg(at)01D83E28.46BEE840]
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 5:23 PM rparigoris > wrote:
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Hi Pete On our 914 circa 2005 which is new and only run at factory, I pulle
d the gearbox to inspect things and purged oil system and got oil pressure.
Engine was at room temp with Mobil 1 10w30 oil. It also has a B&C SD20S al
ternator on the vacuum pad which definitely adds to friction. I measured Ja
nuary 284.4 inch lbs., or 17.8 foot lbs.
Maximum allowable friction is 1,328 inch lbs., or 83 foot lbs., so I was ju
st about 22% allowable. Ron P.
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| From: | William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 |
- 3/28
Ok will do
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 16:58 n7188u wrote:
>
> Hey Will,
>
> We crossed paths! Last Friday I flew to North Perry (KHWO) in Hollywood to
> visit family so I was close to your base. Flew down with my son and
> returned with my daughter on Sunday so they both got to travel a little
> with the Europa. My daughter loved it!
>
> My wife drove down and then up with one of the kids (now they are sorry
> that we don't have the four seater anymore which rarely got to be used with
> the whole family onboard :) )
>
> You took the opposite route to get to Merritt Island. It's very close to
> my airport (only a few miles south and flew over Merritt on my way home).
> Next time send me a note and maybe we can meet.
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506367#506367
>
>
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| From: | Pete Zut <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with you EUROPA |
Thx Bud - encouraging. But still begs the question of only 3lbs headroom
before the bellevilles and dog wear. Odd
Cheers,
PeteZ
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 8:15 PM Bud Yerly wrote:
> PeteZ,
>
> If the minimum wasn=99t good enough, there wouldn=99t be a mi
nimum I guess.
>
> My last rebuild from a prop strike was just out of overhaul and was about
> 25 pounds (ish) after install and lube.
>
>
> Bud Yerly
>
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com <
> owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Pete Zut
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 22, 2022 6:44 PM
> *To:* europa-list
> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with you EUROPA
>
>
> My bad I wasn't clear enough.... I was speaking of the locked-crankshaft
> dog-clutch friction test as per the pic of the Line maintenance manual
> attached.
>
>
> I am very near the minimum torque spec (22-51.6ft-lbs), with a freshly
> serviced (by the local authorized rotax center) box.... discouraging.
>
>
> I was wondering what other folks are seeing typically.... ie - near the
> bottom as well? Or nicely centered in the range (and @ how many hours).
>
>
> Cheers and thanks!
>
> PeteZ
>
> C-GNPZ
>
> 912ULS
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 5:23 PM rparigoris wrote:
>
>
> Hi Pete On our 914 circa 2005 which is new and only run at factory, I
> pulled the gearbox to inspect things and purged oil system and got oil
> pressure. Engine was at room temp with Mobil 1 10w30 oil. It also has a B
&C
> SD20S alternator on the vacuum pad which definitely adds to friction. I
> measured January 284.4 inch lbs., or 17.8 foot lbs.
> Maximum allowable friction is 1,328 inch lbs., or 83 foot lbs., so I was
> just about 22% allowable. Ron P.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506370#506370
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| From: | Alan Twigg <alan.twigg775(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | What did you do in your Europa |
Todays flying.
Got all the sensors making sense in my Kanardia, so I shut the engine down at 2000
feet and soared up to 4000 feet.
The point was to see how long it took after restarting to warm the oil up to 50
degrees.
5 minutes was the answer.
A good day really.
Alan Twigg
Motorglider
G-GIWT kit 463
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with you EUROPA |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Pete,
I looked at the last couple years of inspections and found that our 914 shows about
35 ft lbs. We measure with a cheap fish scale so accuracy is not real high
but reasonable.
Jim & Heather
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| From: | Paul Hawkins <pwhawkinsbuilders(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | PV-50 Prop settings |
Hi
Some advice please on prop settings, my Europa has a 914 engine with an Arp
last PV-50 prop in fine pitch it=92s set to give just under 5400 rpm static
and on take-off works as it should the problem is when I set to cruise I a
im for 130 Kts but I have to keep coming back on the throttle not to go abo
ve that speed I end up with 130 Kts with an rpm of 4200 the problem started
after a prop service, normally I tend to cruise at 125/130 for 4650/4700 r
pm-ish, there=92s 10=B0 difference between fine and coarse pitch, which way
should I adjust + or ' the 10=B0 prop difference?
Cheers Paul
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| From: | Pete Zut <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: PV-50 Prop settings |
Can't advisde on the adjustment to get more fine, but opening a can of
worms: Isn't 4700rpm cruise brutal on the gearbox? How many hours do you
have on the box now, and have you had a 600hr service, and if yes, what
were the observations? The advice by my local cert'd rotax guys is to
always cruise above 5100rpm.
Are many others cruising that low? .... and how are their gearbox's holding
up?
Cheers and thx,
PeteZ
C-GNPZ
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:09 AM Paul Hawkins
wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
>
> Some advice please on prop settings, my Europa has a 914 engine with an
> Arplast PV-50 prop in fine pitch it=99s set to give just under 5400
rpm
> static and on take-off works as it should the problem is when I set to
> cruise I aim for 130 Kts but I have to keep coming back on the throttle n
ot
> to go above that speed I end up with 130 Kts with an rpm of 4200 the
> problem started after a prop service, normally I tend to cruise at 125/13
0
> for 4650/4700 rpm-ish, there=99s 10=C2=B0 difference between fine a
nd coarse
> pitch, which way should I adjust + or =93 the 10=C2=B0 prop differe
nce?
>
>
> Cheers Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2022 Forum |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Sun N Fun is getting closer. Wed like to use this thread for everyone coming to
the show.
We have reserved room CFAA-02 on Thursday, April 7 at noon for the Europa Forum.
There is no formal presentation planned, its primarily to gather as a group
and share experiences.
Most years there has been a dinner (Engineering Meeting) one evening at Hooters.
This year it will be Thursday evening at 6 pm. Hooters is located at 3437 South
Florida Avenue. Please respond to this thread if you plan to come. Transportation
from the airport to the restaurant can be provided for those that fly
in, but we need to know how many need this. Well post transportation coordination
details on this thread and they will be available at Buds display. If you
will have a car and can help with transportation, please post that too.
Bud Yerly is displaying as Airmaster in space N-055. Many Europa flyers will visit
his display from time to time. You can also sign up for the Engineering Meeting
there.
Heather and I expect to fly down for the week and camp in Homebuilt Camping. We
can be contacted at the show at 269-849-9565.
Post your cell number on this thread if you wish.
Hope to see many of you there.
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 - 3/28 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
We got in a flight to Van Wert, OH and walked into town. The courthouse is really
neat!
We were surprised at much further along Spring is there. It's only about 60 miles
south of us but many flowers were blooming and others budding out while we
have virtually none yet!
Now back to cold, overcast days with snow flurries predicted for this weekend.
Jim
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| From: | timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: PV-50 Prop settings |
Pete,
Airmaster CSU sets the cruise rpm at 5000rpm as recommended in Rotax POH.
You can of course adjust it as required with the CSU. I use 4500rpm in the c
ircuit when giving other pilots a rating. Otherwise the speed downwind incre
ases to 125kts only having to reduce it to 83kts for gear extension.
Gear box torque on last annual check was good. 850hrs.
Cheers,
Tim
Sent from my iPad
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
021 0640221
> On 25/03/2022, at 4:44 AM, Pete Zut wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> Can't advisde on the adjustment to get more fine, but opening a can of wor
ms: Isn't 4700rpm cruise brutal on the gearbox? How many hours do you have
on the box now, and have you had a 600hr service, and if yes, what were the
observations? The advice by my local cert'd rotax guys is to always cruise
above 5100rpm.
>
> Are many others cruising that low? .... and how are their gearbox's holdin
g up?
>
> Cheers and thx,
> PeteZ
> C-GNPZ
>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:09 AM Paul Hawkins <pwhawkinsbuilders@hotmail.
com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> Some advice please on prop settings, my Europa has a 914 engine with an A
rplast PV-50 prop in fine pitch it=99s set to give just under 5400 rpm
static and on take-off works as it should the problem is when I set to crui
se I aim for 130 Kts but I have to keep coming back on the throttle not to g
o above that speed I end up with 130 Kts with an rpm of 4200 the problem sta
rted after a prop service, normally I tend to cruise at 125/130 for 4650/470
0 rpm-ish, there=99s 10=C2=B0 difference between fine and coarse pitch
, which way should I adjust + or =93 the 10=C2=B0 prop difference?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week, 3/21 - 3/28 |
Autumn colours are becoming evident here in New Zealand so drove down to Tim
aru to collect my Europa trailer. As winter approaches time to do some work o
n ZK-TIM. Going to install some wing tip strobes. Another Classic owner has d
one this on the airfield with a long handmade steel pipe saw! Hence taking w
ings off with trailer to check the inner mechanical systems and also do the s
par bracket, which I hadn=99t completed. Adjusting the trailer to acco
mmodate the port wing with the spar strap. Also installing some new Sterna P
ropellers. So all go =9Cdownunder.=9D
Fly safe.
Cheers,
Tim
Sent from my iPad
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
021 0640221
> On 25/03/2022, at 5:58 AM, h&jeuropa wrote:
>
.net>
>
> We got in a flight to Van Wert, OH and walked into town. The courthouse i
s really neat!
>
> We were surprised at much further along Spring is there. It's only about 6
0 miles south of us but many flowers were blooming and others budding out wh
ile we have virtually none yet!
>
> Now back to cold, overcast days with snow flurries predicted for this week
end.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506385#506385
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | It seems like it is always something simple. |
| From: | "budyerly(at)msn.com" <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
I wanted to update you all on my latest interesting annual on N12AY.
I had a top overhaul done on my old 914 due to my over speed. Kerry Yunk at Lockwood
did a great job replacing my intake valves and cleaning up the seats, cylinders
and such. I also had the gearbox done as it was nearing 500 hours.
Initial pre annual test flight after the rebuild had some pesky oil leaks, overheating
and the typical maladies of a 914 that has sat for months due to other
priorities.
I finished my annual but after many engine runs the coolant leaks were just a loose
hose clamp or two venting pressure. The oil drips were common from the plenum,
and the only surprises were my magnetic plug (new style) threads are a bit
loose and to seal it properly, I used some Loctite 515 to seal the threads.
I failed to properly seat my oil screen in the tank after cleaning which spit
some oil off the can.
The turbo seemed to be leaking oil. I worried about all the areas that could be
wrong or failing. I looked, ran the engine, and fussed over the engine. The
clamp on the 2 inch turbo to plenum line was poorly fitted after maintenance
and I missed it. The old adage it is always the last thing you checked was proved
right again.
Thankfully all seems dry again.
Attached is a paper I did on N12AY putting on some drip cans I will keep with my
aircraft documentation. I copied Ron Paragoris's oil separator idea but on
a smaller scale to test. So far so good, and I'm a happy non greasy maintainer.
Now it's time to be a happy flier of a clean aircraft.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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| From: | "budyerly(at)msn.com" <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
Sun 'n Fun is around the corner. As you know I've just finished the annual on
N12AY and weather permitting I'll put it together at the airport tomorrow the
25th, do final runs and checks after assembly.
Saturday the 26th I help my EAA Chapter set up the volunteer kitchen. Hopefully,
I'll test fly 12AY Sunday or Monday.
I'll start looking at the SnF site setup, weather permitting, somewhere between
the 1st-4th (Friday-Monday). We have another cold front scheduled to come through
on the 1-2nd of April so we will see. We're expecting clear skies after
that. The show starts the 5th of April and once again I am on spot N-55 on the
flight line. Anita and I will host and we will support Jim at the Europa gatherings.
I'm also cleaning out the shop and I'm selling the mono trailer I did the video
on. I have many used mono swing arms, wheels, and some old tire tubes. I think
I have a used brake caliper and many odds and ends that have to go. I'll
get a list together early next week and some prices. Shipping will probably cost
more than I charge for these "Jewels".
Anything left over after the show goes to metal salvage I guess. This may be my
last Sun 'n Fun on the flightline as it is time to close the dirty old shop,
and retire from the large presence at an airshow with airplanes and tents. Maybe
an inside booth. I will still assist with Europa questions and assistance
where I can. But mostly I will keep my website up and focus on just selling
props and talking on the phone to aircraft and Airmaster owners.
Come join us all for a week of Fun in the Sun.
Bud and Anita Yerly
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
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| From: | Steve Ivell <SteveIvell(at)pestproof.co.uk> |
| Subject: | PV-50 Prop settings |
Hi Pete
In the UK the Rotax912/4 is used a lot in microlights and they tend to be f
lown at much lower revs.... somewhere between 4000 and 4500....and I don't
hear of loads of gearbox problems.
Because of noise certificates many Rotax micros are set up to max static of
4800.
Go figure??
Kind Regards
Steve Ivell
GSTES
E-mail: steveivell(at)pestproof.co.uk
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr
onics.com> On Behalf Of Pete Zut
Sent: 24 March 2022 15:36
Subject: Re: Europa-List: PV-50 Prop settings
Can't advisde on the adjustment to get more fine, but opening a can of worm
s: Isn't 4700rpm cruise brutal on the gearbox? How many hours do you have
on the box now, and have you had a 600hr service, and if yes, what were th
e observations? The advice by my local cert'd rotax guys is to always crui
se above 5100rpm.
Are many others cruising that low? .... and how are their gearbox's holding
up?
Cheers and thx,
PeteZ
C-GNPZ
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:09 AM Paul Hawkins > wrote:
Hi
Some advice please on prop settings, my Europa has a 914 engine with an Arp
last PV-50 prop in fine pitch it=92s set to give just under 5400 rpm static
and on take-off works as it should the problem is when I set to cruise I a
im for 130 Kts but I have to keep coming back on the throttle not to go abo
ve that speed I end up with 130 Kts with an rpm of 4200 the problem started
after a prop service, normally I tend to cruise at 125/130 for 4650/4700 r
pm-ish, there=92s 10=B0 difference between fine and coarse pitch, which way
should I adjust + or ' the 10=B0 prop difference?
Cheers Paul
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | D McFadyean <ami-mcfadyean(at)talktalk.net> |
| Subject: | PV-50 Prop settings |
And in (training) microlight aircraft it's not unheard that the 912 will go
to 3000+ hours.
Duncan McF.
> On 25 March 2022 at 18:12 Steve Ivell wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Pete
>
>
>
> In the UK the Rotax912/4 is used a lot in microlights and they tend t
o be flown at much lower revs.... somewhere between 4000 and 4500....and I
don't hear of loads of gearbox problems.
>
> Because of noise certificates many Rotax micros are set up to max sta
tic of 4800.
>
> Go figure??
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
> Steve Ivell
>
> GSTES
>
> E-mail: steveivell(at)pestproof.co.uk mailto:steveivell(at)pestproof.co.uk
>
>
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-europa-list-serve
r(at)matronics.com> On Behalf Of Pete Zut
> Sent: 24 March 2022 15:36
> To: europa-list
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: PV-50 Prop settings
>
>
>
> Can't advisde on the adjustment to get more fine, but opening a can o
f worms: Isn't 4700rpm cruise brutal on the gearbox? How many hours do yo
u have on the box now, and have you had a 600hr service, and if yes, what w
ere the observations? The advice by my local cert'd rotax guys is to alway
s cruise above 5100rpm.
>
>
>
> Are many others cruising that low? .... and how are their gearbox's h
olding up?
>
>
>
> Cheers and thx,
>
> PeteZ
>
> C-GNPZ
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 11:09 AM Paul Hawkins wrote:
>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> >
> >
> > Some advice please on prop settings, my Europa has a 914 engine
with an Arplast PV-50 prop in fine pitch it=99s set to give just und
er 5400 rpm static and on take-off works as it should the problem is when I
set to cruise I aim for 130 Kts but I have to keep coming back on the thro
ttle not to go above that speed I end up with 130 Kts with an rpm of 4200 t
he problem started after a prop service, normally I tend to cruise at 125/1
30 for 4650/4700 rpm-ish, there=99s 10=C2=B0 difference between fine
and coarse pitch, which way should I adjust + or =93 the 10=C2=B0 pro
p difference?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers Paul
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: PV-50 Prop settings |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
I'm not afraid to open pandora boxes; I agree with Rotax recommendations to cruise
at 5000rpm or above and set the idle not below 2000rpm. Why? Because these
power plants have a TBO rating that allows them to perform their intended task
all the way up to the full allocated time at a price point that allows replacement
at half life, if you on-sell the used unit, or replacement at zero TBO,
i.e run it at full power and then throw away the unit... it will last the entire
TBO without failure; and that is all it needs to do as far as the factory
is concerned.... if i was a manufacturer with a business plan thats how i would
do it as well; and would be thrilled to supply a brand new fresh unit every
1600 or 2000 hours of use.
Reasons why I believe the 80hp 912UL can be cruised under 5000rpm; it has a different
valve timing profile and flatter torque curve than the ULS; reasons I believe
the 912 idle speed can be lowered to 1600rpm; new style composite foam
core props are extremely low mass and do not allow the spur gears in the gearbox
to chatter as would be the case with heavier solid blades; if you can hear
the gearbox chattering at idle then the idle speed is too low... why I believe
cruising at under 5000rpm has no affect on gearbox life; the propeller is under
constant load in cruise regardless of rpm; how are the spur gears going to
chatter and wear out prematurely if they are operating at constant load? Why mechanical
parts fail; material failure due to physical impact, friction heat,
and sustained harmonic resonance leading to disruption of atomic attachment. The
last reason possibly being why rotax recommends the operational rpm they do...
however the physical proof of powerplants continuing to operate under condition
well past their TBO times causes me to doubt this.
Nail a VW beetle engine to a powerpole and run it at WOT see how long it runs continuously...
nail another one to the same pole and run it at 75% power see how
long it runs for continuously... minus the lower time from the higher time
and divide the answer by the length and thickness of the said pole... perform
the same two tests repeatedly with a variety of different length and thickness
poles to ascertain which length and thickness pole offers the longest lasting
engine running time before failure of either the pole or the engine... if dimensions
of pole dimensions fail to affect service life of either test unit then
it can be ascertained that the pole is not a mitigating factor and it is inconclusively
perhaps the rom range chosen for each test performed.
I have an 80hp ULS in my 325kg mono with 310hrs on it since bulk strip overhaul...
it cruises all day long unstressed @100kt IAS @ 4700rpm with a 3 blade 64"
Bolly prop set at 19deg pitch and 12lph fuel burn rate... with the idle set at
2000rpm over the fence I'm remaining within ground affect for the entire length
of the field at roundout; at 1600rpm I am on the ground where I intend to
be, and on the ramp my gearbox is not chattering... guaranteed when this powerplant
reaches its TBO's it will still be well within rotax wear limitations for
continued service life on condition.
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| Subject: | Re: PV-50 Prop settings |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
I'm not afraid to open pandora boxes; I agree with Rotax recommendations to cruise
at 5000rpm or above and set the idle not below 2000rpm. Why? Because these
power plants have a TBO rating that allows them to perform their intended task
all the way up to the full allocated time at a price point that allows replacement
at half life, if you on-sell the used unit, or replacement at zero TBO,
i.e run it at full power and then throw away the unit... it will last the entire
TBO without failure; and that is all it needs to do as far as the factory
is concerned.... if i was a manufacturer with a business plan thats how i would
do it as well; and would be thrilled to supply a brand new fresh unit every
1600 or 2000 hours of use.
Reasons why I believe the 80hp 912UL can be cruised under 5000rpm; it has a different
valve timing profile and flatter torque curve than the ULS; reasons I believe
the 912 idle speed can be lowered to 1600rpm; new style composite foam
core props are extremely low mass and do not allow the spur gears in the gearbox
to chatter as would be the case with heavier solid blades; if you can hear
the gearbox chattering at idle then the idle speed is too low... why I believe
cruising at under 5000rpm has no affect on gearbox life; the propeller is under
constant load in cruise regardless of rpm; how are the spur gears going to
chatter and wear out prematurely if they are operating at constant load? Why mechanical
parts fail; material failure due to physical impact, friction heat,
and sustained harmonic resonance leading to disruption of atomic attachment. The
last reason possibly being why rotax recommends the operational rpm they do...
however the physical proof of powerplants continuing to operate under condition
well past their TBO times causes me to doubt this.
Nail a VW beetle engine to a powerpole and run it at WOT see how long it runs continuously...
nail another one to the same pole and run it at 75% power see how
long it runs for continuously... minus the lower time from the higher time
and divide the answer by the length and thickness of the said pole... perform
the same two tests repeatedly with a variety of different length and thickness
poles to ascertain which length and thickness pole offers the longest lasting
engine running time before failure of either the pole or the engine... if dimensions
of pole dimensions fail to affect service life of either test unit then
it can be ascertained that the pole is not a mitigating factor and it is inconclusively
perhaps the rom range chosen for each test performed.
I have an 80hp ULS in my 325kg mono with 310hrs on it since bulk strip overhaul...
it cruises all day long unstressed @100kt IAS @ 4700rpm with a 3 blade 64"
Bolly prop set at 19deg pitch and 12lph fuel burn rate... with the idle set at
2000rpm over the fence I'm remaining within ground affect for the entire length
of the field at roundout; at 1600rpm I am on the ground where I intend to
be, and on the ramp my gearbox is not chattering... guaranteed when this powerplant
reaches its TBO's it will still be well within rotax wear limitations for
continued service life on condition.
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| Subject: | Re: PV-50 Prop settings |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
My 2 cents regarding low rpm operation:
I have found that my mono, with a fixed pitch DUC prop, is a fun airplane when
happily cruising at over 5000 rpm (generally at 5200) at altitude and no turbulence.
But when doing local hops at low altitude and a little turbulence it is no fun
at all since at anything near 5000 rpm its is over 130 kias and its a harsh ride.
So I made the decision to enjoy the plane and just throttle back to anything between
4600 to 4900 rpm depending what my spine tolerates. I just feel for any
spot where there is an increase in vibration and stay out of it. If the gearbox
will need work in the future so be it.
On x-country trips though I am higher and have proper cruise rpm.
Is this good or bad I dunno. I was told that its not an issue. Time will tell but
for now I am prioritizing enjoyment.
I will however take a little pitch of the prop to improve initial climb when heavy
and warm but not much. Not really willing to give up that nice 135 knot cruise
I get now :)
Best Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week 3/28 - 4/4 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Starting thread for this week.
Preparing for our flight to SNF!
Jim
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| From: | Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week 3/28 - 4/4 |
N12AY is flying well again. Well, well enough.
It still has a laundry list of minor annoyances.
Looks like one of my valve covers is weeping slightly after the top overhaul.
It's torqued so probably a pinched seal. Get another one.
The CHT runs a bit higher after the engine work. Watching that.
The TAS on the GRT Mini GA will never work. GRT admitted the GA is limited.
The right aileron QD filler strip I remade is a bit too tight, so the aileron is
just a bit springy. I'll pull the wing again. My aileron tab trims it off,
but it isn't like before, so I'll fix it after Sun 'n Fun.
My ADS-B IN traffic display just quit. Probably a switch error.
My rudder trim makes the rudder feel different. Stiffer than normal. No good
experiment goes perfect.
My intercom squelch has too much lag. (Lag is that his after you finish speaking
before the squelch kicks in again.) It's annoying but it will get fixed.
It seems that if the headsets are not matched this happens. Since it didn't happen
before, I guess it bears some investigating.
On the good side:
The stall and AoA experiments have worked out well.
The engine is strong and reliable.
EGT/CHT spread, and Oil Temp are darned good.
The rudder trim is handy (although stiffer).
She's still pretty fast and delightful to fly.
The new Garmin Com is great.
Transponder is great.
Stalls are benign,
My oil drip cans work fine.
It is very comfortable and still the finest flying sport aircraft.
I took a young instructor up for an orientation flight and although he tried to
land like a C172 he couldn't stop grinning. He couldn't believe we were cruising
at 140 Knots TAS at 5.5. We landed in a 10 knot crosswind and he couldn't
believe how effortless it was.
The experimental is never done, I guess. That is why we build and fly experimental
aircraft.
Bud Yerly
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Preparing for our flight to SNF!
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 3/28 - 4/4 |
| From: | "Hitchflight" <bobhitchcock(at)icloud.com> |
Flying
To celebrate the receipt of my annual Permit to Fly I took advantage of some good
weather, destination; Knocknarea. The mountain of Knocknarea slopes down to
Sligo airport on the west coast of Ireland. Sligo airport has full ATC and control
zones yet I was to be the only movement of the day, apart from a search
and rescue helicopter locally based at Sligo. The mountain of Knocknarea is noticeable
by its unique plateau. My flight to Sligo from Coal Aston had only taken
a couple of hours. A really pleasant scenic flight across the Irish Sea. The
only unusual event was severe turbulence experienced on both left downwind
and again on short final. The turbulence was initiated by something on the very
mountain I had come to see. It was comforting to have an assured air traffic
controller forewarning of each blast that shook my Europa. I thanked the excellent
ATC lady on the radio the tower. Thanks again Patricia! The walk that followed
to the top of the mountain and back took a couple of hours. Really enjoyed
the exercise. As a walker you are aided by an amazing series of sleeper steps
from approximately somewhere around the halfway point thence ongoing to the
very top of the steep limestone cliffs. At the summit I enjoyed a surreal sight
that could have been taken straight out of Game of Thrones. A cairn and tomb
fit for a queen. A truely enormous cairn protects the magical Queen Maeve.
This cairn increases the height of the mountain to over 1100 feet. Locals suggested
that it becomes part of a disturbance factor that pilots must consider
whenever there is a south easterly wind.
In my hangar
Carbon Monoxide: On a disturbing note. When I executed my annual test using the
exhaust from the hangar lawnmower I found my legacy Vloxo device displayed a
safe 0 ppm! Bad design! It ought have an error default! I have now replaced the
ineffective Vloxo with a new Forensic D unit. All is now well. Like many Monowheels
my aircraft routinely acceptably indicates around 40ppm on the ground
and 0 ppm when airborne.
Happy and safe flying everyone!
Picture: Mount Knocknarea in far distance, Mid distance Sligo airport with my Europa
mono parked adjacent the fire station, plus selected pictures of the sleeper
steps which took me to the plateau.
Regards
Bob
G-MEGG
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| From: | "Hitchflight" <bobhitchcock(at)icloud.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 3/28 - 4/4 |
| From: | "Mallard" <james(at)kingdom.ie> |
Hi Bob,
It's great that you enjoyed you flight across to Co. Sligo. I've been there a couple
of times a few years ago when there was much more activity.
Btw,
Do you know what the wind speeds were coming off the mountain?
I spent 14 years based @ an airfield in the foothills of a 30 mile long mountain
range with an average height of 2000ft but the peak immediately behind my airfield
was 2200ft. The turbulence there was ferocious at times and the airfield
owner didn't have any understanding of when it was going to be bad, he just
went up for a flight to see what it was like! As he was flying a fixed wing microlight
it wasn't too difficult for him to handle it if there were turbs but
in my case I was flying a Flexwing & having to control a complete wing was a different
kettle of fish! This caused me to carry out experiments to try to get
an understanding of what was going on in the vicinity of the airfield. I purchased
a tank of helium & a large quantity of large weather type balloons. When
I'd arrive at the airfield, I would launch a balloon & observe its trajectory.
If it was smooth, I would go flying, if it was getting blown all over the place,
I wouldn't fly. This experimentation eventually led me to conclude that if
the winds off the mountain (Northerly winds) were 20mph or greater, there was
going to be turbulence (rotors) in the lee of the hills. But there was another
complication! The land where the airfield was situated was an actual peninsula
(Dingle Peninsula) & there was a large body of water on the southern side
(only 1/2 mile or so away) called 'Dingle Bay'. As the day progressed during a
warm day, the land would heat up and, in the afternoon the cold air from the
sea breeze would come ashore & mix with the Northerly Rotors coming off the mountain.
Where that mixing took place, all hell would break loose & it would become
a nightmare for a flexwing. It was so bad that it culminated in causing me
to have a Heart Attack on Easter Monday 9th April 2007. On that day in April
2007, the airfield owner was flying ahead of me & he couldn't descend through
the turbulence with power off, so he had to apply full power & point the aircraft
at the ground to get down & I had to do the same. At about 200ft agl, the
turbulenc!
e stoppe
d and all was calm resulting in a perfect, normal landing. That experience taught
me how to handle it in the future, so 3 months after recovering from my 4-way
CABG (Coronary Artery Bypass Graft) I went flying again & next time I encountered
this area of Rotor & Sea Breeze mixing I would turn around & descend below
it until I found calm air which was usually between 2 & 400ft agl and land
without incident.
Sligo Airport isn't unlike my Dingle Airfield location Bob. You have a mountain
1073ft high & the airfield is very close to the sea. There is also forestry to
the North Eastern side which create even more treacherous Rotors than mountains
because unlike Mountain Rotors which don't go all the way to the ground (with
strength), Rotors from Trees do go all the way to the ground with full strength!
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| From: | Alan Twigg <alan.twigg775(at)gmail.com> |
Had rough running on Saturday, discovered a kinked cable, that I must have leant
on whilst recently changing sensors.
Does anyone in the UK have one.
I will resort to phoning EUROPA tomorrow if not.
Thanks all.
Alan Twigg
Mono Motorglider
G-GIWT
Kit 463
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 3/28 - 4/4 |
| From: | "Hitchflight" <bobhitchcock(at)icloud.com> |
Hi James
Good to hear from you.
The wind speeds were a modest 10 to 25 knots from the South East. To be honest
I dont think the turbulence was anything close to that which you have had to endure
In retrospect it definitely had been prudent to include Enniskillen as my diversion
airfield on the flight plan. When asked I confirmed I had sufficient fuel
for two approach attempts to Sligo before I would decide to divert. Enniskillen
offered a wind straight down the runway. Had landed at Enniskillen only last
year.
The actual landing became a non event for the wind dropped just at touchdown.
Look forward to meeting up. How about a Europa Club DOTH into your airfield at
Ardfert sometime?
Regards
Bob
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| From: | James <james(at)kingdom.ie> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 3/28 |
- 4/4
You came in below the Turbulence Bob! Just like I did at the Dingle Penins
ula airfield!
I would be delighted to have a visit from the club Bob @ Jamie's Field in L
ios Cath=E1in (near Ardfert!). If the winds are less than 5mph from any dir
ection, you could comfortably land on my 07 strip & take off on 25.
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa this week 3/28 -
4/4
Hi James
Good to hear from you.
The wind speeds were a modest 10 to 25 knots from the South East. To be hon
est I don=99t think the turbulence was anything close to that which y
ou have had to endure
In retrospect it definitely had been prudent to include Enniskillen as my d
iversion airfield on the flight plan. When asked I confirmed I had sufficie
nt fuel for two approach attempts to Sligo before I would decide to divert.
Enniskillen offered a wind straight down the runway. Had landed at Ennisk
illen only last year.
The actual landing became a non event for the wind dropped just at touchdow
n.
Look forward to meeting up. How about a Europa Club DOTH into your airfield
at Ardfert sometime?
Regards
Bob
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| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Jim,
I am planning to be there on Thursday. whether I take my Europa will depend on
weather. Will you be parked at HBC?
Also, I will plan to be a part of the dinner. But whether I will have a car or
not I can't confirm just yet.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Shoot, I am sorry as it seems I posted this on the wrong thread. Don't know if
I can move it so will re-post.
Sorry.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2022 Forum |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
I think I got it now in the correct thread.
Hi Jim,
I am planning to be there on Thursday. whether I take my Europa will depend on
weather. Will you be parked at HBC?
Also, I will plan to be a part of the dinner. But whether I will have a car or
not I can't confirm just yet.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Hello,
Last weekend I had a failure of the 1 inch ID fuel coupling hose for the vent line
at the top of the tank. The interior of the hose had swollen near the interface
between the fitting and the PE boss in the tank (I assume there was contact
with gasoline at this interface) and pulled out. But now I am concerned about
the pickups at the bottom of the tank since a failure there means bye bye
all fuel (except for 2.5 gallons). I checked the ones at the bottom of the tank
and they look fine with no leaks but I am now concerned about the suitability
of these coupling hoses.
When I got my old kit I replaced these couplings with hoses like the old ones in
the kit (red stripe, same braiding, thickness, etc). I got high quality USCG
approved but they are Type A2 (not for continuous contact with gasoline). Only
thing with same characteristics and after all, red stripe as in the old couplings
is generally in A2 filler hose.
Of course I could go to Europa to order these couplings but for something like
this I think I should try to spec something here in the US. Any hints as to what
people have used and were to buy? Type A1 (or A1-15) hose would be better but
the ones I found online look like stiff heavily braided hoses so not sure they
would work.
I also wonder how hard it will be to replace them? Will the fittings in the tank
come out? Not looking forward to that job :(
Ideas?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
To help determine suitability this are the specs of the hose I used:
This Novaflex 355 series is a special order soft wall A2 fuel fill hose that is
also marine/coast guard certified to SAEJ1527 Spec. This is a real sturdy and
versatile fuel filler hose. Reinforcement is nylon and is much more malleable
than the wire reinforced hoses. Made In The U.S.A. See more details below.
Inner Diameter: 1" Inch or 25mm
Applications: Automotive, Marine, Fuel Filler, Oil & Diesel Transfer.
Outer Diameter: 1-1/2"
Wall Thickness: 1/4"
Wall Reinforcement Spiral Nylon Cord.
Rating: Coast Guard Certified SAEJ1527 Type A2
Min Order Qty: 12" or 1ft
Max Order Qty: 600 or 50ft
Fuel Types: Leaded, Unleaded / Petrol / Diesel And Oil - E85 and biodiesel up
to B20
Cover Material: CR (Chloroprene Rubber)
Inner Tube Material: NBR (Nitrile Buna Rubber)
Temperature Rating: -34F to +257F
Country Of Manufacture: USA.
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| From: | Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2022 Forum |
Hi Jim,
My wife and I plan to attend SNF. Not sure which days just yet as we are with
a group of other pilots renting a condo on the beach at Clearwater.
See ya next week,
Erich
N28ET
Classic Mono 914
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| From: | Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
I used silicon hoses that are declared fuel proof.
This site is in the UK but serves as a sample.
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/s/samco-silicone-hoses-kits/samco-straigh
t-silicone-hose-lengths
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
> On 30 Mar 2022, at 15:53, n7188u wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Last weekend I had a failure of the 1 inch ID fuel coupling hose for the v
ent line at the top of the tank. The interior of the hose had swollen near t
he interface between the fitting and the PE boss in the tank (I assume there
was contact with gasoline at this interface) and pulled out. But now I am c
oncerned about the pickups at the bottom of the tank since a failure there m
eans bye bye all fuel (except for 2.5 gallons). I checked the ones at the bo
ttom of the tank and they look fine with no leaks but I am now concerned abo
ut the suitability of these coupling hoses.
>
> When I got my old kit I replaced these couplings with hoses like the old o
nes in the kit (red stripe, same braiding, thickness, etc). I got high quali
ty USCG approved but they are Type A2 (not for continuous contact with gasol
ine). Only thing with same characteristics and after all, red stripe as in t
he old couplings is generally in A2 filler hose.
>
> Of course I could go to Europa to order these couplings but for something l
ike this I think I should try to spec something here in the US. Any hints as
to what people have used and were to buy? Type A1 (or A1-15) hose would be b
etter but the ones I found online look like stiff heavily braided hoses so n
ot sure they would work.
>
> I also wonder how hard it will be to replace them? Will the fittings in th
e tank come out? Not looking forward to that job :(
>
> Ideas?
> Chris
>
>
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506438#506438
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Alan.
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Flying with full down trim |
So after reading that very strange European accident report which attributed cause
to the full down trim and stick forces, i decided to give it a try.
Conclusion: balderdash.
My classic has a typical slight rear of center CG, trim indicator calibrated to
read center when the trim is in line with the fuse-tailplane-moulding, and typically
take off with 2.5 lines down trim on the indicator.
I flew 1.2hrs, including 2 circuits, from startup to shutdown at full down trim
without issue. Sure the feel/pressure is off, but nothing of major concern.
Surely not anything startling.
Sure, every plane flys differently, but i still cannot understand that reports
conclusions. Fuel starvation on a steep climb-out appears to me to be the more
reasonable conclusion.
FWIW YMMV etc.
Cheers,
PeteZ
C-GNPZ
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| From: | David stranfaer <stranfaer(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying with full down trim |
Did you also try the other way eg full up?
Sent from Davids iPhone
> On 30 Mar 2022, at 18:02, Pete wrote:
>
>
> So after reading that very strange European accident report which attributed
cause to the full down trim and stick forces, i decided to give it a try.
>
> Conclusion: balderdash.
>
> My classic has a typical slight rear of center CG, trim indicator calibrated
to read center when the trim is in line with the fuse-tailplane-moulding, and
typically take off with 2.5 lines down trim on the indicator.
>
> I flew 1.2hrs, including 2 circuits, from startup to shutdown at full down trim
without issue. Sure the feel/pressure is off, but nothing of major concern.
Surely not anything startling.
>
> Sure, every plane flys differently, but i still cannot understand that reports
conclusions. Fuel starvation on a steep climb-out appears to me to be the more
reasonable conclusion.
>
> FWIW YMMV etc.
>
> Cheers,
> PeteZ
> C-GNPZ
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Christoph Both <christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying with full down trim |
Pete,
Did you try trim all the way up?
Christoph
On 2022-03-30, 2:02 PM, "owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Pete"
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So after reading that very strange European accident report which attributed
cause to the full down trim and stick forces, i decided to give it a try.
Conclusion: balderdash.
My classic has a typical slight rear of center CG, trim indicator calibrated
to read center when the trim is in line with the fuse-tailplane-moulding, and
typically take off with 2.5 lines down trim on the indicator.
I flew 1.2hrs, including 2 circuits, from startup to shutdown at full down
trim without issue. Sure the feel/pressure is off, but nothing of major concern.
Surely not anything startling.
Sure, every plane flys differently, but i still cannot understand that reports
conclusions. Fuel starvation on a steep climb-out appears to me to be the
more reasonable conclusion.
FWIW YMMV etc.
Cheers,
PeteZ
C-GNPZ
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with full down trim |
| From: | "dmac7" <dmac7(at)outlook.com> |
Pete thanks for testing this config, good to know. I think of the Swiss cheese
model of accident factor's, the report said take-off was attempted with nearly
empty fuel tank ( 6.5 liters or less in main ), on a day with winds 15kt gusting
23kt not a good day for a steep climb out, and pilots habit of steep climbs,
the trim situation may or may not have been different than previous flights.
They didn't address the likelihood of fuel starvation at the steep pitch angle
with low fuel in the tank. We can only try to learn from this, mistakes...
we all make em. Keeping a little distance from the edge of the performance
envelope seems a good idea.
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| From: | William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
Chris
I used 1" radiator hose. There shouldn't be any direct contact with fuel
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 10:18 n7188u wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Last weekend I had a failure of the 1 inch ID fuel coupling hose for the
> vent line at the top of the tank. The interior of the hose had swollen near
> the interface between the fitting and the PE boss in the tank (I assume
> there was contact with gasoline at this interface) and pulled out. But now
> I am concerned about the pickups at the bottom of the tank since a failure
> there means bye bye all fuel (except for 2.5 gallons). I checked the ones
> at the bottom of the tank and they look fine with no leaks but I am now
> concerned about the suitability of these coupling hoses.
>
> When I got my old kit I replaced these couplings with hoses like the old
> ones in the kit (red stripe, same braiding, thickness, etc). I got high
> quality USCG approved but they are Type A2 (not for continuous contact with
> gasoline). Only thing with same characteristics and after all, red stripe
> as in the old couplings is generally in A2 filler hose.
>
> Of course I could go to Europa to order these couplings but for something
> like this I think I should try to spec something here in the US. Any hints
> as to what people have used and were to buy? Type A1 (or A1-15) hose would
> be better but the ones I found online look like stiff heavily braided hoses
> so not sure they would work.
>
> I also wonder how hard it will be to replace them? Will the fittings in
> the tank come out? Not looking forward to that job :(
>
> Ideas?
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506438#506438
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Will.
I would think then my coupling hoses are the correct selection.
Maybe what happened with the vent fitting is that the hole around tank boss was
a little small and the coupling hose, instead of going all the way up to the
tank, it was butting against the cockpit module fiberglass around the tank's boss.
Maybe movement of the tank pushed the coupling out allowing a little gasoline to
lubricate the joint and it eventually just popped out.
To repair, I ground away some of the CM fiberglass around the boss to create a
enough clearance for the coupling hose to fit through and installed a new coupling
hose.
I'll keep and eye on it as well as the pickups at the tanks bottom. Flew yesterday
and it was great. Today gusting 24 crossed to the runway so again grounded
[Evil or Very Mad]
Chris
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| From: | Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
I've used marine RP1 style hose (normally comes as 1 1/4 - 4 inch but can be found
at one inch) works well without issue. It is thicker than fuel line, doesn't
like to stretch, but works.
I have seen guys use marine fuel hose: Trident 327 brand CE certified, SAE J1527,
USCG type A2, ISO 7840 A2, ABYC H-24 & H-33 and it is available from 1-4 inches.
It is thinner and fuel safe.
I do not understand why the hose you were supplied would swell. Sounds strange
for sure.
I don't use heater hose unless they are silicone due to the auto fuel tends to
attack the rubber, it stinks, and gets yucky soft after only a few years. It
also starts to crack after only a few years when it dries out.
I don't use PTFE hose as like our tank, if you dry it out and flex it, it will
fail as it cracks. It also does not slip over the bosses. Too expensive and
doesn't fit. I don't use it on oil lines as it gets brittle and breaks the liner
then over time, just weeps out oil. Nasty.
Look at your boss off the tank. Smooth the rough areas off, check the fit of the
appropriate FS metal fitting used, as we want the F09a/b to fit inside the
boss on the tank and have the flange flush as possible.
There is nothing wrong with Pro Seal around the inside and around the hose contact
area. The hose then is protected by the sealant, so it tends to last forever.
(Pro Seal is expensive, but there are acceptable substitutes sold by Aircraft
Spruce in smaller and cheaper quantities.)
Red stripe marine fuel tank filler hose (or exhaust hose even which has a blue
stripe) has been a standard of mine for years. Both the red and blue stripe
are thick and stiff. The one inch fuel supply line made by Parker or Goodyear
is excellent but not common so I go to marine hose supply, this hose only an
1/8 inch thick and flexible but is delicate as the liner tears if the surface
is rough or forced over a lip. As you said, it is not as thick and stiff which
is nice and the clamps fit. Locally Amazon Hose Supply sold me a foot of RP1
every few years... All my fuel hose attachments are coated with a thin film
of Pro Seal or similar as well as the clamps. I've never had a failure but I
had to go with larger hose clamps at times. This hose lasts well over 5 years,
but I change it anyway. The Sealant requires me to carefully cut the hose to
peel it off, but I plan for that. Thin hose is easy to remove, thick heavily
reinforced tube are tougher.
You have many marine and hose supply dealers. If you look at the supply house,
you will get what you need.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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To help determine suitability this are the specs of the hose I used:
This Novaflex 355 series is a special order soft wall A2 fuel fill hose that is
also marine/coast guard certified to SAEJ1527 Spec. This is a real sturdy and
versatile fuel filler hose. Reinforcement is nylon and is much more malleable
than the wire reinforced hoses. Made In The U.S.A. See more details below.
Inner Diameter: 1" Inch or 25mm
Applications: Automotive, Marine, Fuel Filler, Oil & Diesel Transfer.
Outer Diameter: 1-1/2"
Wall Thickness: 1/4"
Wall Reinforcement Spiral Nylon Cord.
Rating: Coast Guard Certified SAEJ1527 Type A2
Min Order Qty: 12" or 1ft
Max Order Qty: 600 or 50ft
Fuel Types: Leaded, Unleaded / Petrol / Diesel And Oil - E85 and biodiesel up
to B20
Cover Material: CR (Chloroprene Rubber)
Inner Tube Material: NBR (Nitrile Buna Rubber)
Temperature Rating: -34F to +257F
Country Of Manufacture: USA.
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| From: | William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
Yes my limit is 12 kt cross if i dont absolutely have to fly.
Fuel tank. It doesnt sound exactly normal but maybe im not visualizing
correctly. Could you send me a pic?
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 14:24 n7188u wrote:
>
> Thanks Will.
>
> I would think then my coupling hoses are the correct selection.
>
> Maybe what happened with the vent fitting is that the hole around tank
> boss was a little small and the coupling hose, instead of going all the way
> up to the tank, it was butting against the cockpit module fiberglass around
> the tank's boss.
>
> Maybe movement of the tank pushed the coupling out allowing a little
> gasoline to lubricate the joint and it eventually just popped out.
>
> To repair, I ground away some of the CM fiberglass around the boss to
> create a enough clearance for the coupling hose to fit through and
> installed a new coupling hose.
>
> I'll keep and eye on it as well as the pickups at the tanks bottom. Flew
> yesterday and it was great. Today gusting 24 crossed to the runway so again
> grounded [Evil or Very Mad]
>
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506449#506449
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with full down trim |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
So just to clarify this Pete; was it the trim indicator on the instrument panel
that you set at the full down position? My aircraft flies fine with full down
trim selected though its not very comfortable on departure or approach and requires
a higher pilot work load. With 2 bars down trim selected my observations
show the aircraft wanting to pitch up on departure as speed increases; again
uncomfortable flying if trim is not adjusted down further.
Interesting point made regarding departure attitude and possible fuel starvation.
Many factors, haven't read the incident report; was aux fuel pump on? Why did
the pilot elect to take off with such a low fuel reserve? Was reserve position
selected at the fuel valve?
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying with full down trim |
Correct, and my trim motor was also at its down limit..and consistent with my findings.
Cheers,
PeteZ
> On Mar 31, 2022, at 5:43 AM, Area-51 wrote:
>
>
> So just to clarify this Pete; was it the trim indicator on the instrument panel
that you set at the full down position? My aircraft flies fine with full down
trim selected though its not very comfortable on departure or approach and
requires a higher pilot work load. With 2 bars down trim selected my observations
show the aircraft wanting to pitch up on departure as speed increases; again
uncomfortable flying if trim is not adjusted down further.
>
> Interesting point made regarding departure attitude and possible fuel starvation.
Many factors, haven't read the incident report; was aux fuel pump on? Why
did the pilot elect to take off with such a low fuel reserve? Was reserve position
selected at the fuel valve?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506452#506452
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "rampil" <ira.rampil(at)gmail.com> |
Hi All,
Linda and will be at SnF Monday and Tuesday only.
As the FAA building will be closed this year, if Europa folks have
AME-related questions, I will be available to consult.
Looking forward to seeing everyone!
Ira
Emeritus Europaist
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the references Bud.
Thanks to all this feedback I think that my initial selection of hose was appropriate.
The swelling I am referring to is at the line between the plastic boss
and the aluminum fitting. The fitting is properly in the boss. Why did it happen
who knows. I will try to make a picture of it.
Will, not sure about you rquestion but here is a picture of the newly installed
vent. As you can see, the CM fiberglass goes around the boss. It used to be a
little tighter and the coupling hose would butt against it preventing from being
inserted further in. I ground off some of the glass to increase the clearance
which you can see the picture shows the hose further into the boss almost
to the tank.
I think I will be fine. Will keep an eye on these components and if I have issues
again will find some other brand of hose.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with full down trim |
| From: | "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks... how did you find the aircraft handled in circuit on downwind and final
with the trim set as you had? Did you find it a situation that was challenging
or easily physically mitigated?
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| From: | Pete Zut <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying with full down trim |
everybody and aircraft are different, but simple bit of pressure and
nothing special. Of course daydreaming isn't allowed (and never should be
;-) )
The flare is obviously odd....if one is used to being trimmed out on final.
Cheers,
PeteZ
On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 4:19 PM Area-51
wrote:
> goldsteinindustrial(at)gmail.com>
>
> Thanks... how did you find the aircraft handled in circuit on downwind and
> final with the trim set as you had? Did you find it a situation that was
> challenging or easily physically mitigated?
>
>
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| From: | Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
Chris,
The hose over the fuel tank boss (which is about 1.125 inches) and the fuel
fitting requires a hose that will stretch. I thought perhaps you saw the
stretched hose and figured it swelled from your original post.
The tank vent and filler area have been issues for those who fail to pay at
tention. I've had to put aluminum tube in the 2 inch fuel inlet from the f
uel filler because guys cranked the clamp so hard they crushed the fuel fil
ler boss. The vent and filler area of the module is normally cut conservat
ively without thought to fitting on the hoses. The fiberglass has to be re
lieved to clear for the hose and clamps. I have a drawing on this attached
.
[Diagram Description automatically generated]
The figure in the fuel tank section is misleading in my opinion.
Note: it can be very tough to get one inch reinforced hose to slip over a
fuel tank boss or vent boss. But then again, thin hose can be attacked by
auto fuel if not of proper specification.
Choose only after you look at the hose. That is why I go to the hose suppl
ier and look.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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rb(at)gmail.com>>
Thanks for the references Bud.
Thanks to all this feedback I think that my initial selection of hose was a
ppropriate. The swelling I am referring to is at the line between the plast
ic boss and the aluminum fitting. The fitting is properly in the boss. Why
did it happen who knows. I will try to make a picture of it.
Will, not sure about you rquestion but here is a picture of the newly insta
lled vent. As you can see, the CM fiberglass goes around the boss. It used
to be a little tighter and the coupling hose would butt against it preventi
ng from being inserted further in. I ground off some of the glass to increa
se the clearance which you can see the picture shows the hose further into
the boss almost to the tank.
I think I will be fine. Will keep an eye on these components and if I have
issues again will find some other brand of hose.
Best Regards,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Bud,
The hose I am using stretches around the boss, with a little effort, but no problem.
The idea of using an aluminum sleeve inside the boss is very good. At this point
I don't see any crushing of the bosses so for now will just keep an eye on things
and will carry on.
Yesterday took my beloved mono for a ride with my son. It was once again very enjoyable
and ended with a greaser of a landing (with 120 hours now on it I seem
to be getting better at this :))
Best Regards,
Chris
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| From: | William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | I didnt understand about the gas smell until I started using |
mogas
So i've used AVGAS all my life - a habit from Colombia where the mogas is
poor quality.
I recently started using mogas - just easier really I go past a gas station
on the way to my hangar.
Now I understand the gas smell comments! I means it's not terrible but it
is certainly noticeable.
Why the difference?
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+1 786 878 0246
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I didnt understand about the gas smell until I started |
using mogas
The lead substitute octane booster chemicals are very volatile, with low fla
sh temps - and are brutal on traditional rubber hoses.
Cheers,
PeteZ
> On Apr 3, 2022, at 7:31 PM, William Daniell w
rote:
>
> =EF=BB
> So i've used AVGAS all my life - a habit from Colombia where the mogas is p
oor quality.
>
> I recently started using mogas - just easier really I go past a gas statio
n on the way to my hangar.
>
> Now I understand the gas smell comments! I means it's not terrible but it
is certainly noticeable.
>
> Why the difference?
>
> Will
>
>
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +1 786 878 0246
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| From: | William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I didnt understand about the gas smell until I started |
using mogas
Ah....i had no idea.
Ive just renewed all my hoses with parker superflex as recommended by bud.
So i guess ill just live with it
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Sun, Apr 3, 2022, 20:00 Pete wrote:
> The lead substitute octane booster chemicals are very volatile, with low
> flash temps - and are brutal on traditional rubber hoses.
>
> Cheers,
> PeteZ
>
> On Apr 3, 2022, at 7:31 PM, William Daniell
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> So i've used AVGAS all my life - a habit from Colombia where the mogas is
> poor quality.
>
> I recently started using mogas - just easier really I go past a gas
> station on the way to my hangar.
>
> Now I understand the gas smell comments! I means it's not terrible but i
t
> is certainly noticeable.
>
> Why the difference?
>
> Will
>
>
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +1 786 878 0246
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2022 Forum |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
We decided to drive due to weather. So well arrive late Tuesday and camp in regular
camping not Homebuilt camping. See you Wednesday and Thursday.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: I didnt understand about the gas smell until I started |
usin
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Will,
I used Gates Barricade hoses as recommended by Bud. Still get a whiff of smell
once in a while. I noticed that I get it only at some specific speeds and traced
it to the air from my vent looping around the baggage compartment and pushing
air at me at my back.
Discovering the leak at the tank vent boss and fixing it helped. Time will tell
if it is really gone.
Hoping that one day unleaded avgas becomes more readily available and it doesn't
smell like dead dinosaur poop so much :)
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2022 Forum |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Jim, good to see you will be there.
Bud described the upcoming weather in his email very well. Unfortunately the weather
forecast looks OK except for Thursday.
As he said, I am also just going to look out the window on Thursday and make a
last minute decision regarding flying or driving.
But I will be there for sure so count me in.
But I really wanted to show of my new baby :(
Chris
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| From: | Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I didnt understand about the gas smell until I started |
using mogas
Will,
I use mogas almost exclusively and have lived with the smell for 20 years. While
it has been discussed on this forum that it is the hoses that are the culprit,
I wonder if it isnt the PE fuel tank that is emitting the majority of the
smell. I say that because, I have mostly aluminum fuel lines in my plane.
Yes, the transitions from the tank fittings and the fuel pump/filter assembly
are hose, but thats about it.
I fuel the plane with 5 gallon PE fuel cans, filling them up at the local station
on the way to the airport. It is surprising how much odor an empty fuel can
emits while briefly stored in the car enroute to the fuel station. I remind
my wife of this fact when she smells fuel after opening up the canopy. She
always ask if we have a fuel leak in the plane!
Erich
N28ET Classic Mono 914
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| Subject: | Re: I didnt understand about the gas smell until I started |
using
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Erich,
It's reassuring to hear you are having a similar experience as mine and yes, I
have also suspected whether the smell could come from the tank too but can't really
conclude that.
I have an aluminum filler but used the original rubber filler hose as the couplings
for that tube. They smell. So little things do contribute to it.
Every so often I do open my access covers and stick my nose on through them (not
very far though). No smells around the tank area so it is baffling to me as
to where it comes from.
But knowing that it is somewhat common in our planes makes me feel better.
Chris
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| From: | Pete Zut <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I didnt understand about the gas smell until I started |
usin
I second the Barricade hoses fwiw...
Cheers,
PeteZ
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 10:03 AM n7188u wrote:
>
> Will,
>
> I used Gates Barricade hoses as recommended by Bud. Still get a whiff of
> smell once in a while. I noticed that I get it only at some specific speeds
> and traced it to the air from my vent looping around the baggage
> compartment and pushing air at me at my back.
>
> Discovering the leak at the tank vent boss and fixing it helped. Time will
> tell if it is really gone.
>
> Hoping that one day unleaded avgas becomes more readily available and it
> doesn't smell like dead dinosaur poop so much :)
>
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506482#506482
>
>
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| From: | Pete Zut <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I didnt understand about the gas smell until I started |
using mogas
Sounds like you're on the money. I also still have some smell after
replacing with solid + barricade, likely via the PTFE (underflouranated
tank) - Although doing the sniff test, my filler coupling rubber hoses
(with the alum elbow) appear to be contributing as well.
FWIW, my still not information kit's tank (which was flouronated at the
factory) I had re-flouronated by the same industrial folks in Atlanta who
do the fuel tanks for the auto industry, shampoo bottles etc etc. After
the tank was done to their "automotive" level/standard, it's surface has
become significantly/markedly "frosted" in texture. So there should be
some improvement over the factor tanks - I can hope at least :-)
Cheers,
PeteZ
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 11:29 AM Erich Trombley
wrote:
m
> >
>
> Will,
>
> I use mogas almost exclusively and have lived with the smell for 20
> years. While it has been discussed on this forum that it is the hoses
> that are the culprit, I wonder if it isn=99t the PE fuel tank that
is
> emitting the majority of the smell. I say that because, I have mostly
> aluminum fuel lines in my plane. Yes, the transitions from the tank
> fittings and the fuel pump/filter assembly are hose, but that=99s a
bout it.
>
> I fuel the plane with 5 gallon PE fuel cans, filling them up at the local
> station on the way to the airport. It is surprising how much odor an
> =9Cempty=9D fuel can emits while briefly stored in the car en
route to the fuel
> station. I remind my wife of this fact when she smells fuel after openi
ng
> up the canopy. She always ask if we have a fuel leak in the plane!
>
> Erich
> N28ET Classic Mono 914
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel coupling hoses at bottom of fuel tank |
| From: | "Matt Dovey" <mattdovey(at)hotmail.co.uk> |
Someone above mentioned Silicon hose. I wouldnt use it. It is NOT fuel proof, it
is fuel resistant. The link to Merlin Motorsport even says so. I thought about
using it on my fuel tank outlets. I bought some Silicon hose to try it out.
I put some fuel on the outside of the hose and the hose disintegrated. So if
the fuel resistant lining gets damaged or breaks down the hose as a whole breaks
down. It breaks down very quickly. The only warning you get is a puddle of
fuel. Silicon is OK for the filler neck, which isn't in constant with the fuel.
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| Subject: | Ultrasonic Fuel sensor |
| From: | "phillik747" <helperpsp(at)gmail.com> |
Was watching Mike Patey videos on Draco and saw where he is using ultrasonic sensors
to let him know when he is running on just the leg tanks. I was thinking
about some way to use this in the Europa and found this:
The price seems sky high and found what looks to be the same on amazon. It doesn't
have a good rating on aicraft spruce so I'm guessing its the same. The 1
star is due to not being reliable with colder weather. Not worth the $130 risk
of investment to find out....but I can put up $14 to try.
Has anyone tried these out before?
--------
Kyle
Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2022 Forum |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
We just arrived and discovered the Europa forum is scheduled on Thursday at 11:00
am not noon . The room is CFAA 08 not CFAA 01.
Hope to see many of you.
Jim Butcher
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| From: | William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I didnt understand about the gas smell until I started |
using mogas
Thanks guys.
I sort of vaguely remember a thread about the smell but smuggly paid no
attention because MY PLANE doesn't smell unlike other people's planes. How
wrong I was!
Anyway on another note I have a Colombian homemade turbo on my 912. It
doesn't have a TCU. I was wondering about detonation. The chap who
installed it said that nobody as far as he knew had the issue provided they
used AVGAS (in Colombia mogas is "variable" quality) and indeed the only
plane that I know of which did have a serious detonation in Colombia was a
912S. It broke a piston - high compression with poor quality mogas was
the verdict.
Does anyone with a 914 have an airbox temperature sensor and if so has it
ever gone above 88C?
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+1 786 878 0246
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:28 PM Pete Zut wrote:
> Sounds like you're on the money. I also still have some smell after
> replacing with solid + barricade, likely via the PTFE (underflouranated
> tank) - Although doing the sniff test, my filler coupling rubber hoses
> (with the alum elbow) appear to be contributing as well.
>
> FWIW, my still not information kit's tank (which was flouronated at the
> factory) I had re-flouronated by the same industrial folks in Atlanta who
> do the fuel tanks for the auto industry, shampoo bottles etc etc. After
> the tank was done to their "automotive" level/standard, it's surface has
> become significantly/markedly "frosted" in texture. So there should be
> some improvement over the factor tanks - I can hope at least :-)
>
> Cheers,
> PeteZ
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 11:29 AM Erich Trombley
> wrote:
>
>> erichdtrombley(at)juno.com>
>>
>> Will,
>>
>> I use mogas almost exclusively and have lived with the smell for 20
>> years. While it has been discussed on this forum that it is the hoses
>> that are the culprit, I wonder if it isn=99t the PE fuel tank that
is
>> emitting the majority of the smell. I say that because, I have mostly
>> aluminum fuel lines in my plane. Yes, the transitions from the tank
>> fittings and the fuel pump/filter assembly are hose, but that=99s
about it.
>>
>> I fuel the plane with 5 gallon PE fuel cans, filling them up at the loca
l
>> station on the way to the airport. It is surprising how much odor an
>> =9Cempty=9D fuel can emits while briefly stored in the car e
nroute to the fuel
>> station. I remind my wife of this fact when she smells fuel after open
ing
>> up the canopy. She always ask if we have a fuel leak in the plane!
>>
>> Erich
>> N28ET Classic Mono 914
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: I didnt understand about the gas smell until I started |
usin
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Will,
We have airbox temp and it never approaches the intervention temp - later TCU.
I know Erich has the older TCU and does watch airbox temp.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2022 Forum |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Had a good time yesterday meeting some of the Europa aviators at SnF. Too bad the
weather didn't help but still it was worth it for me.
Flying there tomorrow is out of the question, too windy for me. But Sunday looks
like a fantastic day so I will probably fly there Sunday to say hello (probably
nobody will be left :))
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2022 Forum |
| From: | "Fokkerjockey" <M.giudici(at)ntlworld.com> |
Evening all. Flew from the U.K. on Monday and have been in Lakeland since then.
Ventured to the show on Thursday to encounter the line Squall late morning. That
was fun but then eventually gave up.
Did see a Mono N96EG in the camping area, as we left the owner was paddling next
to his AC, unfortunately too far to say hi. Was also a Tri gear in that section.
Will keep an eye open for any Europa's on Sunday
Regards.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2022 Forum |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
So sorry you missed the forum and dinner. At the forum one owner shared photos
of the fuel tank he built to replace the original which cracked. He was able to
avoid cutting the door rebates and increased fuel capacity. Other discussion
included tips concerning insurance, how much fun and economical our Europas are
to fly. Dinner gave us the chance to get to know each other a bit better and
share more Europa experiences.
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2022 Forum |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
A brave monowheel pilot (Creighton) departing SnF :)
Chris
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| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Starting thread for this week. We drove to SNF last week.
Jim
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| From: | Graeme Coates <coatbeam(at)melbpc.org.au> |
Have a look at the Liberty, it has a small strap hanging down from the
CENTRE of the door. Pull this with your inboard hand (reaching under
your other arm) and close the latch with your outboard hand. Very quick,
simple and effective. With the strap in the middle of the door you are
pulling both front and rear inwards equally.
I have quite a number of hours in a Liberty and we never had any problem
closing the doors.
Those of you in UK could talk to Ivan and look at his Liberty.
I will also be adding micro-switches at each of the 4 shoot bolts with a
RED/GREEN indicator light on the panel.
Graeme Coates
Europa 423 Australia
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18 |
| From: | "goff" <goffmoore(at)aol.com> |
A little bit of Europa bliss.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUhjXriv2hg
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Had a good time last week with the Europa bunch at SnF. Working on the condition
inspection this week. So far no issues found except for a little play on the
starboard aileron at the QD.
Chris
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| From: | "MikeP" <mpotts(at)clara.net> |
Anyone know if there is a replacement part for the Philips toroid 4330 030 34420?
thanks
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18 |
| From: | "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> |
Cute video goff :)
My kids are now older teenagers and sometimes it is hard to drag them to the Europa.
But when I am successful (generally when it involves having to go somewhere
5 hours away in car, 1.5 hours in the Europa) they have a blast!
I really hope I will be able to enjoy a grandkid one day!
Best,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18 |
| From: | "phillik747" <helperpsp(at)gmail.com> |
I hope to be able to fly my teenagers around before they move out. I was fabricating
the oil bracket for the 912.
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Kyle
Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
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| From: | William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18 |
Finally......got around to starting the installation of the fairings
between main gear spats and legs....fitted and removed about 100 times
before satisfied.
Now have to to nutplates and the the upper fuze/leg fairings.
And then have to fill and sand...and paint
Never done....
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 13:38 phillik747 wrote:
>
> I hope to be able to fly my teenagers around before they move out. I was
> fabricating the oil bracket for the 912.
>
>
> --------
> Kyle
> Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506573#506573
>
>
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| From: | Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18 |
Still troubleshooting the newish 80hz fuse resonance @5kish rpm..on
ly at cruise. Replaced the isolation rubber with Lord=99s (ve
ry soft). Had to reduce the spacer lengths to 1.5=9D to deal with the v
ery large startup and shutdown movements of the high compression 912S. Also h
ad to cut through the cowling (ugh) to lower the oil can, to avoid the heade
r hitting it during the swings. Also had to clearance the footwells for the s
ame reason, as well as the airbox.
The plane is much quieter now tho!
Cheers,
PeteZ
C-GNPZ
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:50 PM, William Daniell
wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> Finally......got around to starting the installation of the fairings betwe
en main gear spats and legs....fitted and removed about 100 times before sat
isfied.
>
> Now have to to nutplates and the the upper fuze/leg fairings.
>
> And then have to fill and sand...and paint
>
> Never done....
>
> William Daniell
> +1 786 878 0246
>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 13:38 phillik747 wrote:
>>
>> I hope to be able to fly my teenagers around before they move out. I was f
abricating the oil bracket for the 912.
>>
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Kyle
>> Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506573#506573
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | What did you do with your Europa this week 4/18 - 4/25 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Starting thread for this week.
Thanks for all the notes last week. Good to see people out and about.
Jim
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| From: | James Kelly <europajimkelly(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/18/22 |
What I did with my beautiful Europa was complete a perfect groundloop. Prop
gone undercarriage gone. =F0=9F=98=89
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> 1. 03:16 AM - Antenna toroid (MikeP)
> 2. 07:29 AM - Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
> (n7188u)
> 3. 11:36 AM - Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
> (phillik747)
> 4. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
> (William Daniell)
> 5. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
> (Pete)
> 6. 06:01 PM - What did you do with your Europa this week 4/18 - 4/25
> (h&jeuropa)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Europa-List: Antenna toroid
> From: "MikeP" <mpotts(at)clara.net>
>
>
> Anyone know if there is a replacement part for the Philips toroid 4330 03
0
> 34420?
>
> thanks
> Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
> From: "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Cute video goff :)
>
> My kids are now older teenagers and sometimes it is hard to drag them to
> the Europa.
> But when I am successful (generally when it involves having to go somewhe
re
> 5 hours away in car, 1.5 hours in the Europa) they have a blast!
>
> I really hope I will be able to enjoy a grandkid one day!
>
> Best,
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506571#506571
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
> From: "phillik747" <helperpsp(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> I hope to be able to fly my teenagers around before they move out. I was
> fabricating
> the oil bracket for the 912.
>
>
> --------
> Kyle
> Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506573#506573
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> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/1
8
>
> Finally......got around to starting the installation of the fairings
> between main gear spats and legs....fitted and removed about 100 times
> before satisfied.
>
> Now have to to nutplates and the the upper fuze/leg fairings.
>
> And then have to fill and sand...and paint
>
> Never done....
>
> William Daniell
> +1 786 878 0246
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 13:38 phillik747 wrote:
>
> >
> > I hope to be able to fly my teenagers around before they move out. I wa
s
> > fabricating the oil bracket for the 912.
> >
> >
> > --------
> > Kyle
> > Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506573#506573
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/1
8
>
> Still troubleshooting the newish 80hz fuse resonance @5kish rpm..on
> ly at cruise. Replaced the isolation rubber with Lord=99s (ve
> ry soft). Had to reduce the spacer lengths to 1.5=9D to deal with the v
> ery large startup and shutdown movements of the high compression 912S.
> Also h
> ad to cut through the cowling (ugh) to lower the oil can, to avoid the
> heade
> r hitting it during the swings. Also had to clearance the footwells for
> the s
> ame reason, as well as the airbox.
>
> The plane is much quieter now tho!
>
> Cheers,
> PeteZ
> C-GNPZ
>
>
> > On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:50 PM, William Daniell <
> wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB
> > Finally......got around to starting the installation of the fairings
> betwe
> en main gear spats and legs....fitted and removed about 100 times before
> sat
> isfied.
> >
> > Now have to to nutplates and the the upper fuze/leg fairings.
> >
> > And then have to fill and sand...and paint
> >
> > Never done....
> >
> > William Daniell
> > +1 786 878 0246
> >
> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 13:38 phillik747 wrote:
> >>
> >> I hope to be able to fly my teenagers around before they move out. I
> was f
> abricating the oil bracket for the 912.
> >>
> >>
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> >> --------
> >> Kyle
> >> Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
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> Subject: Europa-List: What did you do with your Europa this week 4/18 -
> 4/25
> From: "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net>
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>
> Starting thread for this week.
>
> Thanks for all the notes last week. Good to see people out and about.
>
> Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/18/22 |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
Jim,
So sorry to hear this. I trust there were no injuries to you or crew. Hopefully
you can repair and get back in the air.
Jim Butcher
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/18/22 |
They say there are two types of tailwheel pilot...those that have ground
looped and those that will.
Sorry to hear that.
Will
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 05:10 James Kelly wrote:
> What I did with my beautiful Europa was complete a perfect groundloop.
> Prop gone undercarriage gone. =F0=9F=98=89
>
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>> 1. 03:16 AM - Antenna toroid (MikeP)
>> 2. 07:29 AM - Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
>> (n7188u)
>> 3. 11:36 AM - Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
>> (phillik747)
>> 4. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
>> (William Daniell)
>> 5. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
>> (Pete)
>> 6. 06:01 PM - What did you do with your Europa this week 4/18 -
>> 4/25 (h&jeuropa)
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>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
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>>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Antenna toroid
>> From: "MikeP" <mpotts(at)clara.net>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know if there is a replacement part for the Philips toroid 4330
>> 030 34420?
>>
>> thanks
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506570#506570
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>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
>> From: "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Cute video goff :)
>>
>> My kids are now older teenagers and sometimes it is hard to drag them to
>> the Europa.
>> But when I am successful (generally when it involves having to go
>> somewhere
>> 5 hours away in car, 1.5 hours in the Europa) they have a blast!
>>
>> I really hope I will be able to enjoy a grandkid one day!
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506571#506571
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/18
>> From: "phillik747" <helperpsp(at)gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> I hope to be able to fly my teenagers around before they move out. I was
>> fabricating
>> the oil bracket for the 912.
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Kyle
>> Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506573#506573
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/
18
>>
>> Finally......got around to starting the installation of the fairings
>> between main gear spats and legs....fitted and removed about 100 times
>> before satisfied.
>>
>> Now have to to nutplates and the the upper fuze/leg fairings.
>>
>> And then have to fill and sand...and paint
>>
>> Never done....
>>
>> William Daniell
>> +1 786 878 0246
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 13:38 phillik747 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I hope to be able to fly my teenagers around before they move out. I w
as
>> > fabricating the oil bracket for the 912.
>> >
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Kyle
>> > Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=506573#506573
>> >
>> >
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: Pete <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: What did you do with your Europa 4/11 - 4/
18
>>
>> Still troubleshooting the newish 80hz fuse resonance @5kish rpm..on
>> ly at cruise. Replaced the isolation rubber with Lord=99s (ve
>> ry soft). Had to reduce the spacer lengths to 1.5=9D to deal with the
v
>> ery large startup and shutdown movements of the high compression 912S.
>> Also h
>> ad to cut through the cowling (ugh) to lower the oil can, to avoid the
>> heade
>> r hitting it during the swings. Also had to clearance the footwells for
>> the s
>> ame reason, as well as the airbox.
>>
>> The plane is much quieter now tho!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> PeteZ
>> C-GNPZ
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:50 PM, William Daniell <
>> wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > =EF=BB
>> > Finally......got around to starting the installation of the fairings
>> betwe
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