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the fiber glass and primed it with a light weight epoxy primer and finished
it off with an ultra light Pittsburgh, base coat, pearl coat and top coat
system. I placed in a light weight starter, a set of lighter Slick mags and a
light weight battery and light weight upholstery.
Before I built Deborah's Glasair, she owned a T-18 that cruised around
170 mph on a tricked out 320 Lyc. The first flights on Deborah's Glasair
only produced a cruise speed of around 190 mph and we wanted to strangle Ted
Setzer when he advertised 225 mph to 235 mph cruise speeds. It took a lot
of tweaking over the years to get up to 205/210 mph cruise speed she now has
on her Glasair. Even with that, we always felt the Glasair was far capable
of greater speeds because on long descents from altitude we would commonly
see 225 to 235 speeds and felt it was the prop. This was verified when we
met up with a Glasar 2 FT driver that opted out of a Hartzell for a
McCauley prop having cruise speeds over 220 mph.
Charles Raymond
message dated 2/10/2010 8:02:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Wow, a 20 mph gain is impressive! Seems like Hartzell has got it
figured out. (Too bad they don't make such a prop for the lowly O-320.)
In addition to a quieter ride, I bet your engine cooling is better too.
You might be able to close down the inlets later and get a few more
knots. (Whereas, with our Hartzell prop, with its big, round roots, I
never noticed a difference in speed by reducing the inlets. I suspect
the drag from the prop roots is the bigger factor, per Paul Lipps.)
Now, if only Glasair would re-loft the airframe on a PC and tweak the
fiberglass to reduce drag...
>My indicated airspeed using my old Hartzell averaged around 163 mph
at those settings
>at those altitudes. Using my new blended foil design, I noted
indicated airspeed of 185 mph.
Mike Palmer <><
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robin Young" <robin02(at)mindspring.com> |
Guys, I am trying to increase the range of my comm radios. New antennas
will have to be installed in the fuselage. The VHF-5T antenna would have to
be installed on a about a 35 degree angle to fit vertically.
The SA-006 is a folded dipole antenna that can be installed as engineered in
the fuselage as it is only 26" high and 9.5 inches wide. The manufacturer
claims 170 mile range air to ground.
My original antenna are the foil ones supplied by Glasair back in 1983. The
navs are doing Ok but the comms need to be replaced. What recommendations
do you have? RObin Young
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Antenna help |
| From: | "b.j. mcclure" <keepertoad(at)bellsouth.net> |
First I would caution you to adjust your expectations. Line of sight
for VHF freqs is approximately 120 miles at 10,000 feet. A claim of 170
miles is, in my opinion, unlikely to be achieved on anything near a
regular basis. As a project engineer with Bendix avionics in the 70's
we struggled to get 130 to 140 miles using digital techniques and 25
watt transmitters at that altitude (10,000). If you read the ad
carefully for the SA-006, the writer does not claim 170 mile
performance, only that it occurred. The most important part of the
equation is altitude of the antennas involved. At 20,000 the line of
sight is approximately 1.4 times the 10,000 ft distance or roughly 170
miles. If you routinely fly at that altitude you will likely
communicate over those distances. I fly a Glasair III with standard S-H
antenna and routinely get line of sight comm. Any tilting of the comm
antenna from vertical will diminish performance since the comm signal is
vertically polarized. Theoretically a tilt from vertical of 45 degrees
causes roughly a 30% loss of signal strength. In practice it's not
quite that bad because of scatter/reflections from things metal on the
aircraft. Also remember there is an engine in front of a fuselage
mounted antenna which will effect the radiation pattern of the antenna.
Curious why the foil antenna need to be replaced. If Tx and Rx meet
spec, the antenna is installed per the book and all coax and connectors
are properly done, you should be able to comm line of sight distances.
Have you done a VSWR on your setup?
Sorry for the long diatribe but hate to see anyone spend bucks that may
not yield a performance increase.
Regards,
B.J. McClure
CentOS 5.4, Linux 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5 x86_64 13:25:22 up 9 days, 6:57, 1
user, load average: 0.17, 0.12, 0.09
> Guys, I am trying to increase the range of my comm radios. New
> antennas will have to be installed in the fuselage. The VHF-5T
> antenna would have to be installed on a about a 35 degree angle to
> fit vertically.
>
> The SA-006 is a folded dipole antenna that can be installed as
> engineered in the fuselage as it is only 26" high and 9.5 inches wide.
> The manufacturer claims 170 mile range air to ground.
>
> My original antenna are the foil ones supplied by Glasair back in
> 1983. The navs are doing Ok but the comms need to be replaced. What
> recommendations do you have? RObin Young
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robin Young" <robin02(at)mindspring.com> |
BJ...thanks for the reply. I did not put the foil antenna in the vertical
stabilizer when I built the plane. My primary radio has been a whip
antenna on a ground plane with the back up radio antenna in too much of a
horizontal, it has a very low range. I want to improve them but they cannot
be removed and reused.
You seem knowledgeable about the Sa-006. It will fit better than the
VHF-5t. It is also cheaper for some reason. Is it a choice I should
consider? Thanks RObin
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of b.j. mcclure
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Antenna help
First I would caution you to adjust your expectations. Line of sight for
VHF freqs is approximately 120 miles at 10,000 feet. A claim of 170 miles
is, in my opinion, unlikely to be achieved on anything near a regular basis.
As a project engineer with Bendix avionics in the 70's we struggled to get
130 to 140 miles using digital techniques and 25 watt transmitters at that
altitude (10,000). If you read the ad carefully for the SA-006, the writer
does not claim 170 mile performance, only that it occurred. The most
important part of the equation is altitude of the antennas involved. At
20,000 the line of sight is approximately 1.4 times the 10,000 ft distance
or roughly 170 miles. If you routinely fly at that altitude you will likely
communicate over those distances. I fly a Glasair III with standard S-H
antenna and routinely get line of sight comm. Any tilting of the comm
antenna from vertical will diminish performance since the comm signal is
vertically polarized. Theoretically a tilt from vertical of 45 degrees
causes roughly a 30% loss of signal strength. In practice it's not quite
that bad because of scatter/reflections from things metal on the aircraft.
Also remember there is an engine in front of a fuselage mounted antenna
which will effect the radiation pattern of the antenna. Curious why the
foil antenna need to be replaced. If Tx and Rx meet spec, the antenna is
installed per the book and all coax and connectors are properly done, you
should be able to comm line of sight distances. Have you done a VSWR on
your setup?
Sorry for the long diatribe but hate to see anyone spend bucks that may not
yield a performance increase.
Regards,
B.J. McClure
CentOS 5.4, Linux 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5 x86_64 13:25:22 up 9 days, 6:57, 1
user, load average: 0.17, 0.12, 0.09
Guys, I am trying to increase the range of my comm radios. New antennas
will have to be installed in the fuselage. The VHF-5T antenna would have to
be installed on a about a 35 degree angle to fit vertically.
The SA-006 is a folded dipole antenna that can be installed as engineered in
the fuselage as it is only 26" high and 9.5 inches wide. The manufacturer
claims 170 mile range air to ground.
My original antenna are the foil ones supplied by Glasair back in 1983. The
navs are doing Ok but the comms need to be replaced. What recommendations
do you have? RObin Young
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| From: | "b.j. mcclure" <keepertoad(at)bellsouth.net> |
Now I understand your motivation. I have never used nor tested the
SA-006. I would ask for a list of customers who have purchased it and
ask them if they get satisfactory performance. This is a terrible
suggestion but is it possible to open the vertical fin and install
there? It's as near a perfect location as you will find. Remember the
radiation pattern for a theoretical dipole is toroidal (doughnut) in
shape. Little energy is radiated or received off the ends of the
antenna. Once you start tilting and bending the antenna you no longer
have much knowledge what the radiation pattern looks like. Making that
determination requires a field strength meter and lots of painstaking
data collection and plotting. Any legitimate antenna designer should
have data for their antenna mounted in an ideal install. It may also be
computer generated as opposed to measurement in an anechoic chamber.
You might ask if they also have data for the antenna with any degree of
deformation. It might give you some clues as to what you can expect.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
B.J.
CentOS 5.4, Linux 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5 x86_64 16:43:22 up 9 days, 10:15,
1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.10, 0.10
> BJ...thanks for the reply. I did not put the foil antenna in the
> vertical stabilizer when I built the plane. My primary radio has
> been a whip antenna on a ground plane with the back up radio antenna
> in too much of a horizontal, it has a very low range. I want to
> improve them but they cannot be removed and reused.
>
> You seem knowledgeable about the Sa-006. It will fit better than the
> VHF-5t. It is also cheaper for some reason. Is it a choice I
> should consider? Thanks RObin
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of b.j.
> mcclure
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:51 PM
> To: glasair-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Antenna help
>
>
>
>
> First I would caution you to adjust your expectations. Line of sight
> for VHF freqs is approximately 120 miles at 10,000 feet. A claim of
> 170 miles is, in my opinion, unlikely to be achieved on anything near
> a regular basis. As a project engineer with Bendix avionics in the
> 70's we struggled to get 130 to 140 miles using digital techniques and
> 25 watt transmitters at that altitude (10,000). If you read the ad
> carefully for the SA-006, the writer does not claim 170 mile
> performance, only that it occurred. The most important part of the
> equation is altitude of the antennas involved. At 20,000 the line of
> sight is approximately 1.4 times the 10,000 ft distance or roughly 170
> miles. If you routinely fly at that altitude you will likely
> communicate over those distances. I fly a Glasair III with standard
> S-H antenna and routinely get line of sight comm. Any tilting of the
> comm antenna from vertical will diminish performance since the comm
> signal is vertically polarized. Theoretically a tilt from vertical of
> 45 degrees causes roughly a 30% loss of signal strength. In practice
> it's not quite that bad because of scatter/reflections from things
> metal on the aircraft. Also remember there is an engine in front of a
> fuselage mounted antenna which will effect the radiation pattern of
> the antenna. Curious why the foil antenna need to be replaced. If Tx
> and Rx meet spec, the antenna is installed per the book and all coax
> and connectors are properly done, you should be able to comm line of
> sight distances. Have you done a VSWR on your setup?
>
> Sorry for the long diatribe but hate to see anyone spend bucks that
> may not yield a performance increase.
>
> Regards,
> B.J. McClure
> CentOS 5.4, Linux 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5 x86_64 13:25:22 up 9 days, 6:57,
> 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.12, 0.09
>
>
>
> > Guys, I am trying to increase the range of my comm radios. New
> > antennas will have to be installed in the fuselage. The VHF-5T
> > antenna would have to be installed on a about a 35 degree angle to
> > fit vertically.
> > The SA-006 is a folded dipole antenna that can be installed as
> > engineered in the fuselage as it is only 26" high and 9.5 inches
> > wide. The manufacturer claims 170 mile range air to ground.
> > My original antenna are the foil ones supplied by Glasair back in
> > 1983. The navs are doing Ok but the comms need to be replaced.
> > What recommendations do you have? RObin Young
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| From: | "Robin Young" <robin02(at)mindspring.com> |
BJ, thank you for the talk points. I have contacted a dealer for some
references and hopefully will get the manufacturer contact also.
If anyone else has experience with a folded dipole antenna on a glasair,
please comment. RObin
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of b.j. mcclure
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Antenna help
Now I understand your motivation. I have never used nor tested the SA-006.
I would ask for a list of customers who have purchased it and ask them if
they get satisfactory performance. This is a terrible suggestion but is it
possible to open the vertical fin and install there? It's as near a perfect
location as you will find. Remember the radiation pattern for a theoretical
dipole is toroidal (doughnut) in shape. Little energy is radiated or
received off the ends of the antenna. Once you start tilting and bending
the antenna you no longer have much knowledge what the radiation pattern
looks like. Making that determination requires a field strength meter and
lots of painstaking data collection and plotting. Any legitimate antenna
designer should have data for their antenna mounted in an ideal install. It
may also be computer generated as opposed to measurement in an anechoic
chamber. You might ask if they also have data for the antenna with any
degree of deformation. It might give you some clues as to what you can
expect.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
B.J.
CentOS 5.4, Linux 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5 x86_64 16:43:22 up 9 days, 10:15, 1
user, load average: 0.12, 0.10, 0.10
BJ...thanks for the reply. I did not put the foil antenna in the vertical
stabilizer when I built the plane. My primary radio has been a whip
antenna on a ground plane with the back up radio antenna in too much of a
horizontal, it has a very low range. I want to improve them but they cannot
be removed and reused.
You seem knowledgeable about the Sa-006. It will fit better than the
VHF-5t. It is also cheaper for some reason. Is it a choice I should
consider? Thanks RObin
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of b.j. mcclure
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Antenna help
First I would caution you to adjust your expectations. Line of sight for
VHF freqs is approximately 120 miles at 10,000 feet. A claim of 170 miles
is, in my opinion, unlikely to be achieved on anything near a regular basis.
As a project engineer with Bendix avionics in the 70's we struggled to get
130 to 140 miles using digital techniques and 25 watt transmitters at that
altitude (10,000). If you read the ad carefully for the SA-006, the writer
does not claim 170 mile performance, only that it occurred. The most
important part of the equation is altitude of the antennas involved. At
20,000 the line of sight is approximately 1.4 times the 10,000 ft distance
or roughly 170 miles. If you routinely fly at that altitude you will likely
communicate over those distances. I fly a Glasair III with standard S-H
antenna and routinely get line of sight comm. Any tilting of the comm
antenna from vertical will diminish performance since the comm signal is
vertically polarized. Theoretically a tilt from vertical of 45 degrees
causes roughly a 30% loss of signal strength. In practice it's not quite
that bad because of scatter/reflections from things metal on the aircraft.
Also remember there is an engine in front of a fuselage mounted antenna
which will effect the radiation pattern of the antenna. Curious why the
foil antenna need to be replaced. If Tx and Rx meet spec, the antenna is
installed per the book and all coax and connectors are properly done, you
should be able to comm line of sight distances. Have you done a VSWR on
your setup?
Sorry for the long diatribe but hate to see anyone spend bucks that may not
yield a performance increase.
Regards,
B.J. McClure
CentOS 5.4, Linux 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5 x86_64 13:25:22 up 9 days, 6:57, 1
user, load average: 0.17, 0.12, 0.09
Guys, I am trying to increase the range of my comm radios. New antennas
will have to be installed in the fuselage. The VHF-5T antenna would have to
be installed on a about a 35 degree angle to fit vertically.
The SA-006 is a folded dipole antenna that can be installed as engineered in
the fuselage as it is only 26" high and 9.5 inches wide. The manufacturer
claims 170 mile range air to ground.
My original antenna are the foil ones supplied by Glasair back in 1983. The
navs are doing Ok but the comms need to be replaced. What recommendations
do you have? RObin Young
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| From: | "Robin Young" <robin02(at)mindspring.com> |
I found the manufacturer on the SA-006 folded dipole antenna....Bob Archer
310-316-8796. He has installed many of these in Lancairs to handle post
construction problems. They do not work well inside graphite but are all
working well otherwise. Lancair has purchased as many as 90 at the time
from him and they are built into the fuselage in the factory. He was so
sure I would like the results, he is sending the unit with an invoice. I
either send him a check after testing it or send back the antenna after
taping it inside for the test.
I appreciate all of your comments. RObin
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robert Buckthal <rbuckthal(at)gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Antenna help
Robin,
I mounted the factory foil com antenna on the right side of the fuselage
just aft of the hat rack. It bends slightly to conform to the roof line.
I'm not aware of having any communications problems. When I transmit I
always seem to get a response. I did mount another antenna in the rudder
but I inadvertently damaged the coax after the rudder was closed. A runaway
dremel opened up a 3/8" circular break in the shielding only. I have no
idea whether that kind of damage is fatal to the antenna but I didn't try to
repair it.
Hope this helps
Bob Buckthal
llS-FT 810 hours
.
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Robin Young wrote:
BJ, thank you for the talk points. I have contacted a dealer for some
references and hopefully will get the manufacturer contact also.
If anyone else has experience with a folded dipole antenna on a glasair,
please comment. RObin
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of b.j. mcclure
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Antenna help
Now I understand your motivation. I have never used nor tested the SA-006.
I would ask for a list of customers who have purchased it and ask them if
they get satisfactory performance. This is a terrible suggestion but is it
possible to open the vertical fin and install there? It's as near a perfect
location as you will find. Remember the radiation pattern for a theoretical
dipole is toroidal (doughnut) in shape. Little energy is radiated or
received off the ends of the antenna. Once you start tilting and bending
the antenna you no longer have much knowledge what the radiation pattern
looks like. Making that determination requires a field strength meter and
lots of painstaking data collection and plotting. Any legitimate antenna
designer should have data for their antenna mounted in an ideal install. It
may also be computer generated as opposed to measurement in an anechoic
chamber. You might ask if they also have data for the antenna with any
degree of deformation. It might give you some clues as to what you can
expect.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
B.J.
CentOS 5.4, Linux 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5 x86_64 16:43:22 up 9 days, 10:15, 1
user, load average: 0.12, 0.10, 0.10
BJ...thanks for the reply. I did not put the foil antenna in the vertical
stabilizer when I built the plane. My primary radio has been a whip
antenna on a ground plane with the back up radio antenna in too much of a
horizontal, it has a very low range. I want to improve them but they cannot
be removed and reused.
You seem knowledgeable about the Sa-006. It will fit better than the
VHF-5t. It is also cheaper for some reason. Is it a choice I should
consider? Thanks RObin
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of b.j. mcclure
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Antenna help
First I would caution you to adjust your expectations. Line of sight for
VHF freqs is approximately 120 miles at 10,000 feet. A claim of 170 miles
is, in my opinion, unlikely to be achieved on anything near a regular basis.
As a project engineer with Bendix avionics in the 70's we struggled to get
130 to 140 miles using digital techniques and 25 watt transmitters at that
altitude (10,000). If you read the ad carefully for the SA-006, the writer
does not claim 170 mile performance, only that it occurred. The most
important part of the equation is altitude of the antennas involved. At
20,000 the line of sight is approximately 1.4 times the 10,000 ft distance
or roughly 170 miles. If you routinely fly at that altitude you will likely
communicate over those distances. I fly a Glasair III with standard S-H
antenna and routinely get line of sight comm. Any tilting of the comm
antenna from vertical will diminish performance since the comm signal is
vertically polarized. Theoretically a tilt from vertical of 45 degrees
causes roughly a 30% loss of signal strength. In practice it's not quite
that bad because of scatter/reflections from things metal on the aircraft.
Also remember there is an engine in front of a fuselage mounted antenna
which will effect the radiation pattern of the antenna. Curious why the
foil antenna need to be replaced. If Tx and Rx meet spec, the antenna is
installed per the book and all coax and connectors are properly done, you
should be able to comm line of sight distances. Have you done a VSWR on
your setup?
Sorry for the long diatribe but hate to see anyone spend bucks that may not
yield a performance increase.
Regards,
B.J. McClure
CentOS 5.4, Linux 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5 x86_64 13:25:22 up 9 days, 6:57, 1
user, load average: 0.17, 0.12, 0.09
Guys, I am trying to increase the range of my comm radios. New antennas
will have to be installed in the fuselage. The VHF-5T antenna would have to
be installed on a about a 35 degree angle to fit vertically.
The SA-006 is a folded dipole antenna that can be installed as engineered in
the fuselage as it is only 26" high and 9.5 inches wide. The manufacturer
claims 170 mile range air to ground.
My original antenna are the foil ones supplied by Glasair back in 1983. The
navs are doing Ok but the comms need to be replaced. What recommendations
do you have? RObin Young
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can you drop me from the glasair list? thanks! dave
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Blended foil prop |
We had a rare small window to fly our GL 2 SFT / 200 Hp Lyc. on a short 15
mile cross country trip to tank up on 100 LL that was about $1.00/ gallon
less than what our home base FBO sells it for. This was our second flight
using our new Hartzell Blended foil prop. We had a cross wind and again
didn't note any difference in T. O. or climb performance. At the beginning of
the take off roll the RPM on our UMA electric tach registered 2,600 RPM and
as the plane accelerated down the runway the rpm peaked at 2,750 and
bounced off 2,750 mark around 100 rpm on climb out. We hoped the 100 RPM
fluctuation was due to engine oil that wasn't fully warmed up to operating
temperature as pockets of cool 50 weight oil went through the governor. The air
temperature was in the low seventies and we had a stiff breeze and
experienced moderate turbulence. Because it was only a 15 mile flight, we elected
to cruise at 2,000 feet @ 2,400 rpm, 24 inches MP and 50 degrees lean of
peak @ 10.5 gals/ hour. On our old prop we commonly noted GPS ground speeds
180 to 185 mph at that altitude. But on this flight we noted an average GPS
ground speed of 205 mph and can't wait to see what we get at altitude. We
even had a GPS ground speed of 225 mph, but don't get excited because it was
due to a gusty tail wind. This was my wife's first time behind the
controls using our new blended foil prop and she remarked on how much faster the
plane was and how she had to keep resetting the trim as the plane gained
more and more speed after leveling out. She noted a 200 degree oil temperature
that was 15 degrees warmer than it previously was using the old prop. I
laughed when she said that "the plane is getting there before I am." She
found slowing the plane down to enter the pattern a new challenge that
required reducing the power, putting in up trim, pushing the prop in and sneaking
in a little flaps at 140 mph in an effort to slow the plane down. With the
old prop, we could feel the plane slow down by just reducing the power and
adding just 50 rpm. But this new blended foil just wants to keep on
trucking and requires more adjustments of power, prop, trim and flaps.
We plan to fly the plane on a cross country next week at 8,500 feet
were we formerly got our best performance and will report what we get.
Note: RYC freight is still driving us crazy with their padded
"residential" double price delivery charge. Glasair and Hartzell weren't aware
of this
when they shipped the prop and RYC never advised me of this policy.
Glasair's Harry Delong is trying to resolve this.
Charles Raymond N16CD
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| From: | "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | micorvision 3010042 fuel transducer |
Anyone have one for sale? Or know what works in the place of it. Randy
Pinkston 704-438-1222
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| From: | John Grosse <grosseair(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: micorvision 3010042 fuel transducer |
Don't know if it's what you want, but there's a listing on ebay of a
bunch of parts. Search under "glasair."
John Grosse
Randy Pinkston wrote:
>
> Anyone have one for sale? Or know what works in the place of it.
> Randy Pinkston 704-438-1222
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| From: | "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Will try ebay thanks
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/25/10 |
I would like to replace my panel mount Appollo Fly Buddy Loran with an
Appollo Fly Buddy GPS. I know this unit has many short comings and would use
it as a back up to my Garmin. Anyone have one for sale?
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From: "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Glasair-List: micorvision 3010042 fuel transducer
Anyone have one for sale? Or know what works in the place of it. Randy
Pinkston 704-438-1222
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From: John Grosse <grosseair(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: micorvision 3010042 fuel transducer
Don't know if it's what you want, but there's a listing on ebay of a
bunch of parts. Search under "glasair."
John Grosse
Randy Pinkston wrote:
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> Anyone have one for sale? Or know what works in the place of it.
> Randy Pinkston 704-438-1222
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From: "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Glasair-List: 3010042
Will try ebay thanks
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| From: | "b.j. mcclure" <keepertoad(at)bellsouth.net> |
I have an 820. Replaced it about a year ago so data card is out at
least a year or more. You probably don't need the tray but I will throw
that in as well as antenna. If interested shoot me an email off-list at
webadmin(at)irapoa.org.
Located FL74.
Thanks,
B.J. McClure
CentOS 5.4, Linux 2.6.18-164.11.1.el5 x86_64 12:50:08 up 3 days, 21:17,
2 users, load average: 0.96, 0.92, 1.25
> I would like to replace my panel mount Appollo Fly Buddy Loran with an
> Appollo Fly Buddy GPS. I know this unit has many short comings and
> would use it as a back up to my Garmin. Anyone have one for sale?
>
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> 1. 11:32 AM - micorvision 3010042 fuel transducer (Randy
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> 3. 03:05 PM - 3010042 (Randy Pinkston)
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> From: "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com>
> Subject: Glasair-List: micorvision 3010042 fuel transducer
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> Anyone have one for sale? Or know what works in the place of
> it. Randy
> Pinkston 704-438-1222
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>
> From: John Grosse <grosseair(at)comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Glasair-List: micorvision 3010042 fuel
> transducer
>
>
> Don't know if it's what you want, but there's a listing on
> ebay of a
> bunch of parts. Search under "glasair."
>
> John Grosse
>
> Randy Pinkston wrote:
> >
> > Anyone have one for sale? Or know what works in the place of
> it.
> > Randy Pinkston 704-438-1222
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Hartzel Blended foil |
We had another chance to test our new Hartzel blended foil prop on our
Glasair 2S FT-!0360 200 HP engine. We flew the plane with a light cross wind
this time and noted a shorter take off roll from the runway end threshold to
the hash marks. This time we noted that full take off RPM had settled down
to 2600 rpm and that the fluctuating RPM we had on our first flights may
have been due to either the prop purging itself of a little air or the oil
being a bit warmer. Our last prop required adjusting the hub stop to get
2750 rpm. We climbed to 6,500 feet at a 140 mph indicated airspeed and noted
this new prop provided a much higher rate of climb than our old prop did.
Once at altitude we flew West at 6,500 feet with 24 inches manifold
pressure, 2450 RPM and 50 degrees lean of peak for fifteen miles and recorded
GPS
ground cruise speeds of 214 mph in one direction and 204 mph on the return
course that averaged out to 209 mph and noted an increase of around 15 mph
over our old cruise speed. This increase in air speed was a bit lower than
the twenty mph increase we noted at 3,000 feet. But this may have been do
to slightly warmer temperatures and saturated air from a rain system that
was moving in. The visibility for this flight was limited and no were near
the crystal clear air we had on our first two tests flights and that may
have been the cause. We also noted with our old prop that increasing the RPM
over 2350 rpm didn't add to the air speed, but increasing the rpm with the
new blended foil did increase airspeed all the way up to 2475 rpm. My
guess for this is that the new blended foil has far more bite at higher rpm's
than our old prop did. When the weather cooperates we will shoot for 8,500
feet on hopefully a clear day.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hartzel Blended foil |
Nice report. What was the "old" prop you had?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's Building Blog
Finishing Up...
At 03:27 PM 3/4/2010 Thursday, you wrote:
>We had another chance to test our new Hartzel blended foil prop on our Glasair
2S FT-!0360 200 HP engine. We flew the plane with a light cross wind this time
and noted a shorter take off roll from the runway end threshold to the hash
marks. This time we noted that full take off RPM had settled down to 2600 rpm
and that the fluctuating RPM we had on our first flights may have been due to
either the prop purging itself of a little air or the oil being a bit warmer.
Our last prop required adjusting the hub stop to get 2750 rpm. We climbed to
6,500 feet at a 140 mph indicated airspeed and noted this new prop provided a
much higher rate of climb than our old prop did. Once at altitude we flew West
at 6,500 feet with 24 inches manifold pressure, 2450 RPM and 50 degrees lean
of peak for fifteen miles and recorded GPS ground cruise speeds of 214 mph in
one direction and 204 mph on the return course that averaged out to 209 mph and
noted an increase of around 15 mph over our old cruise speed. This increase
in air speed was a bit lower than the twenty mph increase we noted at 3,000 feet.
But this may have been do to slightly warmer temperatures and saturated air
from a rain system that was moving in. The visibility for this flight was limited
and no were near the crystal clear air we had on our first two tests flights
and that may have been the cause. We also noted with our old prop that
increasing the RPM over 2350 rpm didn't add to the air speed, but increasing
the rpm with the new blended foil did increase airspeed all the way up to 2475
rpm. My guess for this is that the new blended foil has far more bite at higher
rpm's than our old prop did. When the weather cooperates we will shoot for
8,500 feet on hopefully a clear day.
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Hartzel Blended foil |
The prop I had before was a 72" Hartzel constant speed prop that was
recommended and sold through Glasair Corp and was recommended for 180/2-00 hp
Lyc. It didn't have a name, just serial numbers. Our new prop is a 72 inch
constant speed "Blended Foil" prop. My home base builder bolted one on his RV
9 and noted a 10 mph increase in cruise speed. I think my greater
performance was due to my plane not being completely stream lined in cruise and
with the added thrust this prop produces I had an increase in cruise speed
greater than 10 mph ranging between 15 to 20 mph. I have only recorded three
short flights with this new Blended Foil design and with the arrival of
spring I will be making more cross country flights and will report what I see.
As a side note, I placed my prop for sale in Trade A Plane and it
sold within two weeks to a Mooney driver. His prop hub was worn out and a
prop shop wanted close to $4,000 for a new hub and several thousand dollars
for two serviceable blades because one of his blades could no longer be
dressed. My old prop had less than 600 hours and after being inspected by a
prop shop, determined all it needed was inspection, paint and fresh seals and
grease. This Mooney driver would have had to pay $10,300 for a new prop and
was happy to find mine for half the price. Also, if you own a low time
prop in excellent condition like mine was, I was offered $3,000 by a prop
shop. Glasair supplies this new Blended Foil prop for $6,600. They installed
one on their factory Glasair Super 2S and noted a 7 mph increase.
In a message dated 3/4/2010 9:26:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dralle(at)matronics.com writes:
--> Glasair-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Nice report. What was the "old" prop you had?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com Matt's Building Blog
Finishing Up...
At 03:27 PM 3/4/2010 Thursday, you wrote:
>We had another chance to test our new Hartzel blended foil prop on our
Glasair 2S FT-!0360 200 HP engine. We flew the plane with a light cross wind
this time and noted a shorter take off roll from the runway end threshold
to the hash marks. This time we noted that full take off RPM had settled
down to 2600 rpm and that the fluctuating RPM we had on our first flights may
have been due to either the prop purging itself of a little air or the oil
being a bit warmer. Our last prop required adjusting the hub stop to get
2750 rpm. We climbed to 6,500 feet at a 140 mph indicated airspeed and
noted this new prop provided a much higher rate of climb than our old prop did.
Once at altitude we flew West at 6,500 feet with 24 inches manifold
pressure, 2450 RPM and 50 degrees lean of peak for fifteen miles and recorded
GPS
ground cruise speeds of 214 mph in one direction and 204 mph on the return
course that averaged out to 209 mph and noted an increase of around 15 mph
over our old c!
ruise speed. This increase in air speed was a bit lower than the twenty
mph increase we noted at 3,000 feet. But this may have been do to slightly
warmer temperatures and saturated air from a rain system that was moving in.
The visibility for this flight was limited and no were near the crystal
clear air we had on our first two tests flights and that may have been the
cause. We also noted with our old prop that increasing the RPM over 2350 rpm
didn't add to the air speed, but increasing the rpm with the new blended
foil did increase airspeed all the way up to 2475 rpm. My guess for this is
that the new blended foil has far more bite at higher rpm's than our old
prop did. When the weather cooperates we will shoot for 8,500 feet on
hopefully a clear day.
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Hartzell Blended Foil |
Sunday we flew our Glasair2S FT 200 HP Lyc again with our new Hartzell
Blended foil prop and noted the following: We flew in Moderate Chop , 75
degrees OAT and with five mile visibility in moisture laden air. For the third
time, we noted a less than a five hundred foot take off roll at 2600 rpm. We
hadn't yet adjusted the prop pitch stop to 2750 rpm and feel that both
roll out and climb performance will increase once we make that adjustment. On
this flight, rather than tell LISTERS that we noted better climb
performance, we decided to jot down the numbers.
With a 1,690 pound gross weight and after departing our air port and
retracting the flaps we pulled the nose up to an indicated airspeed of 90 mph,
2600 rpm and full rich and recorded a 2,000 foot per minute rate of climb
through 1,000 feet above sea level from our home base field that is 725 feet
above sea level. Upon reaching 1,200 feet we noted at 90 mph we still had
a 2,000 FPM climb rate to 1,500 feet above sea level using the same power
settings. While climbing through 1,800 feet we increased our indicated air
speed by lowering the nose to 140 mph and reduced the rpm to 2400 and our
climb rate dropped down to 1,000 FPM. Our cylinder head temperature never
exceeded 330 degrees.
We climbed at 1,000 foot per minute @2400 rpm until we reached
6,500 feet and our oil temperature peaked at 212 degrees and once established
in cruise our oil temperature dropped to 190 degrees. Our altitude was
only 1,000 feet higher than it was on our last flight and averaged 7,000 feet
and because of rough air our ground speed averaged 205 mph and was 10 mph
less than it was on our last flight.
In years past I used to reduce the power after take off with the
throttle in an effort to keep our oil temperatures down. That was until I learned
that Bendix fuel injection systems have a throttle body jet that keeps
the cylinders cool under full throttle and to reduce power by reducing RPM!!
Once I employed that method, that ended hot oil temperatures on climb out.
I also once belonged to a Gruman Tiger flying club that would sometimes
burn out jugs until Grumman issued a notice advising to not have long
sustained steep climb outs. To avoid that, we use a cruise climb speed of 160
mph
on our Glasair that not only provides for better cooling but better fuel
economy and performance. When my son flew piston engine planes his company had
a policy of not reducing power more than 3 inches for several minutes at a
time to avoid shock cooling and we use that method when coming out of
altitude for landings.
Chuck Raymond
N16CD
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| From: | <glasairpilot(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Glasair FT for sale |
The fastest way to own a fast airplane! Glasair II FT for sale. 200+ MPH max.
190 MPH economy cruse at 7.2 GPH! This Glasair is a fast, reliable, easy to fly
IFR cross country machine. Full IFR with stability mods in pitch & roll plus
Autopilot. With 3000 hours on the airframe, the bugs have been worked out and
the maintenance is very predictable. Good for another 3000 hours!
Based in Phoenix, Arizona. $70,000 USD.
Please see http://glasairforsale.freevar.com/ for details.
Mike <><
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/24/10 |
Mike,
In the past, I have seen Glasair 2's listed well over $100,000. Too
bad you have to sell your plane during a depression.
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Subject: Glasair-List: Glasair FT for sale
The fastest way to own a fast airplane! Glasair II FT for sale. 200+ MPH
max.
190 MPH economy cruse at 7.2 GPH! This Glasair is a fast, reliable, easy
to fly
IFR cross country machine. Full IFR with stability mods in pitch & roll
plus
Autopilot. With 3000 hours on the airframe, the bugs have been worked out
and
the maintenance is very predictable. Good for another 3000 hours!
Based in Phoenix, Arizona. $70,000 USD.
Please see http://glasairforsale.freevar.com/ for details.
Mike <><
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| From: | "Helicat" <helicat76(at)shaw.ca> |
I have a TD1 with dual brake installation, and it appears that one toe brake
cylinder is starting to weep around the oring. As I did not build the
aircraft, I do not know where to find parts, and unfortunately, after hours
of trying to read the numbers off the cylinder, and borrowing friends kids
to see if they would fit any better, and be able to read any better than I,
I have given up. I am hoping someone can tell me if I can purchase an oring
and replace it, or if I need to purchase an entire assembly. All that I
have been able to make out is Model 10-1 ? 0 The consensus has been that
the ? is either an 8 or a 9.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks;
Shona
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| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: brake cylinder |
Shona, This is probably a Clevland part number. Any way you look at it, it
will have to be removed to repair it. Most manufacturers use common o-rings
and replacing them is quite easy.
Good luck
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
=0ACARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
=0A101 Caroline Circle
=0AHurricane, WV 25526
=0Awww.carbonfibercomposites.net
=0A304-562-6800 home
=0A304-395-4932 cell
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=0AHow are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
--- On Sun, 4/4/10, Helicat wrote:
From: Helicat <helicat76(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Glasair-List: brake cylinder
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:01 AM
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AI have a TD1 with dual brake inst
allation, and it appears=0Athat one toe brake cylinder is starting to weep
around the oring.- As I=0Adid not build the aircraft, I do not know where
to find parts, and=0Aunfortunately, after hours of trying to read the numb
ers off the cylinder, and=0Aborrowing friends kids to see if they would fit
any better, and be able to read=0Aany better than I, I have given up.- I
am hoping someone can tell me if I=0Acan purchase an oring and replace it,
or if I need to purchase an entire=0Aassembly.- All that I have been abl
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ither an 8 or a 9. =0A=0AAny help would be greatly appreciated. =0A=0AThank
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| From: | "Helicat" <helicat76(at)shaw.ca> |
Thank you Brian, very much appreciated!
Shona
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[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Alley
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: brake cylinder
Shona, This is probably a Clevland part number. Any way you look at it, it
will have to be removed to repair it. Most manufacturers use common o-rings
and replacing them is quite easy.
Good luck
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
101 Caroline Circle
Hurricane, WV 25526
www.carbonfibercomposites.net
304-562-6800 home
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How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
--- On Sun, 4/4/10, Helicat wrote:
From: Helicat <helicat76(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Glasair-List: brake cylinder
Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 4:01 AM
I have a TD1 with dual brake installation, and it appears that one toe brake
cylinder is starting to weep around the oring. As I did not build the
aircraft, I do not know where to find parts, and unfortunately, after hours
of trying to read the numbers off the cylinder, and borrowing friends kids
to see if they would fit any better, and be able to read any better than I,
I have given up. I am hoping someone can tell me if I can purchase an oring
and replace it, or if I need to purchase an entire assembly. All that I
have been able to make out is Model 10-1 ? 0 The consensus has been that
the ? is either an 8 or a 9.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks;
Shona
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
11:32:00
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/03/10 |
A few years back I spotted brake fluid on my hanger floor and found it was
coming out of a brake caliper. So I went to my friendly Ace hardware store
and replaced the piston "O" ring with a new one and it has worked fine for
the past three years or so..In a message dated 4/4/2010 3:05:11 A.M.
Eastern Daylight Time, glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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| From: | "Helicat" <helicat76(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/03/10 |
Thanks, I appreciate the info. I think that Brian was right, it appears
that the toe brakes are Cleveland brake cylinders. The parts manual appears
to look the same for model #10-19, and the oring kit is listed for the
cylinder.
As you mentioned, I have had problems with the plastic brake lines that go
into the calipers, they seem to get hot, and expand, causing weeping, and
required constant trimming and bleeding. I also went to the local hardware
store and installed a 'buffer' between the plastic lines and the caliper. I
basically use a high pressure grease gun hose that threads directly into the
brake caliper, and requires little to adapt the other end. That has worked
wonderfully, and I do not need to trim anymore lines. Recently, I have
discovered that a local hydraulic supplier will make the same hoses with
certified hydraulic hose for almost the same price.
Cheers;
Shona
_____
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A few years back I spotted brake fluid on my hanger floor and found it was
coming out of a brake caliper. So I went to my friendly Ace hardware store
and replaced the piston "O" ring with a new one and it has worked fine for
the past three years or so..In a message dated 4/4/2010 3:05:11 A.M. Eastern
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | GL 11 FT nose wheel. |
I have always had a vibration from my nose strut and as the tire wore down
it would become even more noticeable. When I related this to an A&P he
asked if I balanced my nose wheel? So I decided to purchase a new tire, mount
it and have it balanced. This tiny wheel took well over four ounces to
balance!! Another hint is that Chin tires are notorious for being out of round
so be sure to check for the tire being out of round. After installing the
wheel assembly and test flying the plane, for the first time I felt I was
landing on glass!!
I have been reporting on my new Blended Foil prop and was able to
adjust the hub to get it up to 2750 RPM. After making that adjustment the new
prop had so much P factor I could hardly keep the plane on the center line
when I added full power. Witnesses say the plane only rolls a short distance
before it appears to leap off the runway. After take off I have to apply
full right rudder and aileron to keep the plane and haven't seen that since I
flew my little 215 Hp S1S Pitts Special. The increased cruise performance
appears to be keeping in the added 15 to 20 mph ground speed along with a
higher rate of climb. With these warmer temperatures I have been noticing
that my oil temperatures have been running hotter than usual with this new
prop. Before the new prop my oil temperature ranged between 190 to 200
degrees during the summer months. But with the upper seventy to low eighty degree
outside temps I am now flying in I am seeing oil temps in the 200/215
range at altitudes below 3,000 feet. I find slowing the plane down before
entering the airport traffic area to 100 mph the oil temperature shoots up. But
if I keep the cruise up to over 140 mph and slow the plane down in the
down wind the oil temp doesn't shoot up as quickly. I haven't been able to
figure out if this is because the new prop works the engine harder or if
because of the design that less air is blown into the cowling. One other hint
in keeping cylinder and oil temps down on climb out is to maintain full
throttle on injected engines. There is a jet in the throttle body that dumps
extra fuel on full throttle. To reduce power use your prop control on climb
out. After take off and reaching 600 feet I adjust the RPM back to 2550 RPM
and climb another few hundred feet and adjust it to 2450 rpm before setting
everything when I reach my cruise settings and altitude and have found
that keeps my temperatures cooler.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <glasairpilot(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/14/10 |
I too have noticed "shimmy" when Aircraft Spruce changed over to the Chinese nose
tire (Shin). Keeping it inflated to the max helps a lot. (I replaced the friction
pad last year too, which helped a lot. 3000 hrs.)
Where does one get a balancer?
Are there alternative sources for this tire. Desser? I forget the size of the nose
gear just now, but I see Desser has oddball sizes.
http://www.desser.com/tailwheel.shtml
Would be worth paying a little more to have the smoothness.
Mike Palmer <><
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 08:15 AM - GL 11 FT nose wheel. (Craymondw(at)aol.com)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
> Subject: Glasair-List: GL 11 FT nose wheel.
>
> I have always had a vibration from my nose strut and as the tire wore down
> it would become even more noticeable. When I related this to an A&P he
> asked if I balanced my nose wheel? So I decided to purchase a new tire, mount
>
> it and have it balanced. This tiny wheel took well over four ounces to
> balance!! Another hint is that Chin tires are notorious for being out of round
>
> so be sure to check for the tire being out of round. After installing the
> wheel assembly and test flying the plane, for the first time I felt I was
> landing on glass!!
> I have been reporting on my new Blended Foil prop and was able to
> adjust the hub to get it up to 2750 RPM. After making that adjustment the new
>
> prop had so much P factor I could hardly keep the plane on the center line
> when I added full power. Witnesses say the plane only rolls a short distance
> before it appears to leap off the runway. After take off I have to apply
> full right rudder and aileron to keep the plane and haven't seen that since
I
>
> flew my little 215 Hp S1S Pitts Special. The increased cruise performance
> appears to be keeping in the added 15 to 20 mph ground speed along with a
> higher rate of climb. With these warmer temperatures I have been noticing
> that my oil temperatures have been running hotter than usual with this new
> prop. Before the new prop my oil temperature ranged between 190 to 200
> degrees during the summer months. But with the upper seventy to low eighty degree
>
> outside temps I am now flying in I am seeing oil temps in the 200/215
> range at altitudes below 3,000 feet. I find slowing the plane down before
> entering the airport traffic area to 100 mph the oil temperature shoots up.
But
>
> if I keep the cruise up to over 140 mph and slow the plane down in the
> down wind the oil temp doesn't shoot up as quickly. I haven't been able to
> figure out if this is because the new prop works the engine harder or if
> because of the design that less air is blown into the cowling. One other hint
>
> in keeping cylinder and oil temps down on climb out is to maintain full
> throttle on injected engines. There is a jet in the throttle body that dumps
> extra fuel on full throttle. To reduce power use your prop control on climb
> out. After take off and reaching 600 feet I adjust the RPM back to 2550 RPM
> and climb another few hundred feet and adjust it to 2450 rpm before setting
> everything when I reach my cruise settings and altitude and have found
> that keeps my temperatures cooler.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Gray" <bgray(at)glasair.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/14/10 |
Take your wheel to a motorcycle shop.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
glasairpilot(at)cox.net
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:29 PM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/14/10
I too have noticed "shimmy" when Aircraft Spruce changed over to the
Chinese nose tire (Shin). Keeping it inflated to the max helps a lot. (I
replaced the friction pad last year too, which helped a lot. 3000 hrs.)
Where does one get a balancer?
Are there alternative sources for this tire. Desser? I forget the size
of the nose gear just now, but I see Desser has oddball sizes.
http://www.desser.com/tailwheel.shtml
Would be worth paying a little more to have the smoothness.
Mike Palmer <><
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 08:15 AM - GL 11 FT nose wheel. (Craymondw(at)aol.com)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
> Subject: Glasair-List: GL 11 FT nose wheel.
>
> I have always had a vibration from my nose strut and as the tire wore
down
> it would become even more noticeable. When I related this to an A&P
he
> asked if I balanced my nose wheel? So I decided to purchase a new
tire, mount
>
> it and have it balanced. This tiny wheel took well over four ounces
to
> balance!! Another hint is that Chin tires are notorious for being out
of round
>
> so be sure to check for the tire being out of round. After installing
the
> wheel assembly and test flying the plane, for the first time I felt I
was
> landing on glass!!
> I have been reporting on my new Blended Foil prop and was able to
> adjust the hub to get it up to 2750 RPM. After making that adjustment
the new
>
> prop had so much P factor I could hardly keep the plane on the center
line
> when I added full power. Witnesses say the plane only rolls a short
distance
> before it appears to leap off the runway. After take off I have to
apply
> full right rudder and aileron to keep the plane and haven't seen that
since I
>
> flew my little 215 Hp S1S Pitts Special. The increased cruise
performance
> appears to be keeping in the added 15 to 20 mph ground speed along
with a
> higher rate of climb. With these warmer temperatures I have been
noticing
> that my oil temperatures have been running hotter than usual with
this new
> prop. Before the new prop my oil temperature ranged between 190 to
200
> degrees during the summer months. But with the upper seventy to low
eighty degree
>
> outside temps I am now flying in I am seeing oil temps in the
200/215
> range at altitudes below 3,000 feet. I find slowing the plane down
before
> entering the airport traffic area to 100 mph the oil temperature
shoots up. But
>
> if I keep the cruise up to over 140 mph and slow the plane down in
the
> down wind the oil temp doesn't shoot up as quickly. I haven't been
able to
> figure out if this is because the new prop works the engine harder or
if
> because of the design that less air is blown into the cowling. One
other hint
>
> in keeping cylinder and oil temps down on climb out is to maintain
full
> throttle on injected engines. There is a jet in the throttle body
that dumps
> extra fuel on full throttle. To reduce power use your prop control on
climb
> out. After take off and reaching 600 feet I adjust the RPM back to
2550 RPM
> and climb another few hundred feet and adjust it to 2450 rpm before
setting
> everything when I reach my cruise settings and altitude and have
found
> that keeps my temperatures cooler.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/14/10 |
The Chin tire costs about $18. Aircraft Spruce has a premium tire for
$46.00.
In a message dated 4/15/2010 3:59:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasairpilot(at)cox.net writes:
--> Glasair-List message posted by:
I too have noticed "shimmy" when Aircraft Spruce changed over to the
Chinese nose tire (Shin). Keeping it inflated to the max helps a lot. (I
replaced the friction pad last year too, which helped a lot. 3000 hrs.)
Where does one get a balancer?
Are there alternative sources for this tire. Desser? I forget the size of
the nose gear just now, but I see Desser has oddball sizes.
http://www.desser.com/tailwheel.shtml
Would be worth paying a little more to have the smoothness.
Mike Palmer <><
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 08:15 AM - GL 11 FT nose wheel. (Craymondw(at)aol.com)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
> Subject: Glasair-List: GL 11 FT nose wheel.
>
> I have always had a vibration from my nose strut and as the tire wore
down
> it would become even more noticeable. When I related this to an A&P he
> asked if I balanced my nose wheel? So I decided to purchase a new tire,
mount
>
> it and have it balanced. This tiny wheel took well over four ounces to
> balance!! Another hint is that Chin tires are notorious for being out
of round
>
> so be sure to check for the tire being out of round. After installing
the
> wheel assembly and test flying the plane, for the first time I felt I
was
> landing on glass!!
> I have been reporting on my new Blended Foil prop and was able to
> adjust the hub to get it up to 2750 RPM. After making that adjustment
the new
>
> prop had so much P factor I could hardly keep the plane on the center
line
> when I added full power. Witnesses say the plane only rolls a short
distance
> before it appears to leap off the runway. After take off I have to
apply
> full right rudder and aileron to keep the plane and haven't seen that
since I
>
> flew my little 215 Hp S1S Pitts Special. The increased cruise
performance
> appears to be keeping in the added 15 to 20 mph ground speed along with
a
> higher rate of climb. With these warmer temperatures I have been
noticing
> that my oil temperatures have been running hotter than usual with this
new
> prop. Before the new prop my oil temperature ranged between 190 to 200
> degrees during the summer months. But with the upper seventy to low
eighty degree
>
> outside temps I am now flying in I am seeing oil temps in the 200/215
> range at altitudes below 3,000 feet. I find slowing the plane down
before
> entering the airport traffic area to 100 mph the oil temperature shoots
up. But
>
> if I keep the cruise up to over 140 mph and slow the plane down in the
> down wind the oil temp doesn't shoot up as quickly. I haven't been able
to
> figure out if this is because the new prop works the engine harder or
if
> because of the design that less air is blown into the cowling. One
other hint
>
> in keeping cylinder and oil temps down on climb out is to maintain full
> throttle on injected engines. There is a jet in the throttle body that
dumps
> extra fuel on full throttle. To reduce power use your prop control on
climb
> out. After take off and reaching 600 feet I adjust the RPM back to 2550
RPM
> and climb another few hundred feet and adjust it to 2450 rpm before
setting
> everything when I reach my cruise settings and altitude and have found
> that keeps my temperatures cooler.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/14/10 |
The A&P that balanced my nose wheel used a rod that slid through the inner
races. The rod had two conical shaped attachments that screwed up against
both inner races. The outer ends of the rod had bearings that rested
between two tripods. After setting the wheel in the jig the tire's heavy end spun
down and by trial and error, he was able to stick on the exact weight onto
the rim to balance it. I have seen these wheel balancers I think, in
Aircraft Tool Supply company catalogs. I rolled out the tire over a yard stick
and found it only rolls 34 inches to complete one revolution. If you factor
in how many revolutions that tire makes between 65 mph and even 20 mph, it
wouldn't surprise me if the four ounces out of balance my wheel was and
considering centrifugal force dynamics, that four ounces could factor out to
be several hundred pounds of out of balance force.
t
In a message dated 4/15/2010 4:10:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bgray(at)glasair.org writes:
--> Glasair-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray"
Take your wheel to a motorcycle shop.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
glasairpilot(at)cox.net
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:29 PM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/14/10
--> Glasair-List message posted by:
I too have noticed "shimmy" when Aircraft Spruce changed over to the
Chinese nose tire (Shin). Keeping it inflated to the max helps a lot. (I
replaced the friction pad last year too, which helped a lot. 3000 hrs.)
Where does one get a balancer?
Are there alternative sources for this tire. Desser? I forget the size
of the nose gear just now, but I see Desser has oddball sizes.
http://www.desser.com/tailwheel.shtml
Would be worth paying a little more to have the smoothness.
Mike Palmer <><
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 08:15 AM - GL 11 FT nose wheel. (Craymondw(at)aol.com)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
> Subject: Glasair-List: GL 11 FT nose wheel.
>
> I have always had a vibration from my nose strut and as the tire wore
down
> it would become even more noticeable. When I related this to an A&P
he
> asked if I balanced my nose wheel? So I decided to purchase a new
tire, mount
>
> it and have it balanced. This tiny wheel took well over four ounces
to
> balance!! Another hint is that Chin tires are notorious for being out
of round
>
> so be sure to check for the tire being out of round. After installing
the
> wheel assembly and test flying the plane, for the first time I felt I
was
> landing on glass!!
> I have been reporting on my new Blended Foil prop and was able to
> adjust the hub to get it up to 2750 RPM. After making that adjustment
the new
>
> prop had so much P factor I could hardly keep the plane on the center
line
> when I added full power. Witnesses say the plane only rolls a short
distance
> before it appears to leap off the runway. After take off I have to
apply
> full right rudder and aileron to keep the plane and haven't seen that
since I
>
> flew my little 215 Hp S1S Pitts Special. The increased cruise
performance
> appears to be keeping in the added 15 to 20 mph ground speed along
with a
> higher rate of climb. With these warmer temperatures I have been
noticing
> that my oil temperatures have been running hotter than usual with
this new
> prop. Before the new prop my oil temperature ranged between 190 to
200
> degrees during the summer months. But with the upper seventy to low
eighty degree
>
> outside temps I am now flying in I am seeing oil temps in the
200/215
> range at altitudes below 3,000 feet. I find slowing the plane down
before
> entering the airport traffic area to 100 mph the oil temperature
shoots up. But
>
> if I keep the cruise up to over 140 mph and slow the plane down in
the
> down wind the oil temp doesn't shoot up as quickly. I haven't been
able to
> figure out if this is because the new prop works the engine harder or
if
> because of the design that less air is blown into the cowling. One
other hint
>
> in keeping cylinder and oil temps down on climb out is to maintain
full
> throttle on injected engines. There is a jet in the throttle body
that dumps
> extra fuel on full throttle. To reduce power use your prop control on
climb
> out. After take off and reaching 600 feet I adjust the RPM back to
2550 RPM
> and climb another few hundred feet and adjust it to 2450 rpm before
setting
> everything when I reach my cruise settings and altitude and have
found
> that keeps my temperatures cooler.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Zenair aircraft FLOATS |
| From: | "Zenair_Mathieu" <newplane(at)gmail.com> |
I have had quite a few Glasair customers contact me in regards to floats. Here
are typical questions and answers.
- Does Zenair manufacture a 2200 lbs float?
Yes, straight and amphibious.
- Factory built or kits?
Both. You can purchase a parts kit or pre-drilled kit or factory built.
- Prices?
www.zenairfloats.com will give you the latest prices.
- What type of retracting system?
Option of electric or hand pump. System is hydraulic and 100% external so no need
to ever open the floats. Main wheels are 600x6 Grove type with a 400X4 at the
front.
- How do I mount the floats to my aircraft?
Zenair supplies a rigging / spreader bar kit. However, you need to have the mounting
points on your aircraft.
- Are these the same 2200 floats as what the Czech company used to sell?
Yes, the Zenair floats were first designed by Zenair in the 1980's and production
went to the Czech's in the late 1990's. Zenair has taken back the float production
and has made some changes to the floats as to make them easier to build.
The Czech company was not selling kits so they got very complex. Now that Zenair
is selling kits, its important that they are easy to assemble.
- Where do I get more info on this.
Please contact me, Mathieu Heintz at 705-526-2871 or by email at newplane(at)gmail.com
I do not often get the opportunity get on this forum site.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296944#296944
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair aircraft FLOATS |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 05/06/2010 01:29 PM, Zenair_Mathieu wrote:
>
> I have had quite a few Glasair customers contact me in regards to floats. Here
are typical questions and answers.
>
> - Does Zenair manufacture a 2200 lbs float?
> Yes, straight and amphibious.
>
Hi,
Glasair is no longer selling the Glastar which had the 2200 lb gross.
The current kit is the Sportsman 2+2, which has a 2500 lb gross when on
floats.
Do you sell a 2500 float that would work on the Sportsman?
Thanks,
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
Join us on the Maine Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Zenair aircraft FLOATS |
| From: | "Zenair_Mathieu" <newplane(at)gmail.com> |
Hi DJ,
Zenair is only manufacturing the 2200 floats right now. Since there are quite a
few Glastar's out there, there is a lot of interest.
If Zenair gets enough interest for 2500 floats, Zenair will start offering them.
About half the price of certified, lighter, as tough and excellent performance.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296964#296964
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Zenair aircraft FLOATS |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 05/06/2010 02:35 PM, Zenair_Mathieu wrote:
> Hi DJ,
> Zenair is only manufacturing the 2200 floats right now. Since there are quite
a few Glastar's out there, there is a lot of interest.
> If Zenair gets enough interest for 2500 floats, Zenair will start offering them.
About half the price of certified, lighter, as tough and excellent performance.
I'm building a Sportsman 2+2 that I hope to have on amphib floats one
day, so please mark me down as the first interested person. :-)
Thanks,
-Dj
--
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
Join us on the Maine Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Bolding" <jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Zenair aircraft FLOATS |
DJ,
I'm building (from plans, Zenith used to offer all the different float sizes
in plans only as well) a set of 1100 amphib Zenith floats for the 701 in
the shop, VERY easy to build, good directions. You will enjoy working with
Zenith.
John Bolding
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dj Merrill" <deej(at)deej.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Re: Zenair aircraft FLOATS
>
> I'm building a Sportsman 2+2 that I hope to have on amphib floats one
> day, so please mark me down as the first interested person. :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
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>
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| From: | "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Super IIS RG came in @ 1342 lbs ,,have done high speed taxi test,, feels
good. Have a oil leak to find & the final inspection & then go from kit
to
airplane..nose w is193,,,Left is 484 & right is 472 ,,,It has the extra
fuel
bay in wing behind spar .Can anyone do the w/b for this header tank
holds
10 gals. wing -------? I may have to fill to find out what it is...
Randy
Pinkston N71RP @ kafp anson county n.c.
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: ready at last |
Your plane came out light for a Super2S RG. In order to do a weight and
balance you have to measure the distance from the fire wall forward 58
inches (sta 0.0) and back from that point to the nose wheel center line
(X).
Then measure from the mains center line to sta 0.0 (Y) Once you have thos
e
numbers you can do a weight and balance. I have a 200 hp, constant speed
prop
and an IFR panel in my 2S and my nose wheel weight is 273 lbs and the
mains were 1,026 lbs. I have a baggage limit of 130 pounds. S.H. had a ta
il
heavy problem with the 2S when small engines with wood props were used an
d
solved it with the Super 2S. The Super 2S has a longer distance from the
MAC
to the fire wall and a larger stab. That heavier main may give you a turn
and I solved that by adding a few pounds of lead shot and resin to one wi
ng
end. To avoid bouncing the nose wheel hard, on your first test flight I
would perform a power on landing. I come over the fence at 90 mph and lev
el
off over the runway to let the speed dissipate then slowly come in with
power
to gently let my plane down. I just installed a blended foil prop and in
very hot humid weather I added ten miles per hour to my already 200mph+
cruise speed.
In a message dated 5/26/2010 10:40:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com writes:
Super IIS RG came in @ 1342 lbs ,,have done high speed taxi test, feels
good. Have a oil leak to find & the final inspection & then go from kit
to
airplanenose w is193,,,Left is 484 & right is 472 ,,,It
has the extra
fuel bay in wing behind spar Can anyone do the w/b for this he
ader tank
holds 10 gals. wing -------? I may have to fill to find out what it is
..
Randy Pinkston N71RP @ kafp anson county n.c.
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| From: | frequent flyer <jdhcv(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ready at last |
Randy, I have the pilot's operating handbook for the Super IIS and just got
the handbook for my IIS- FT from Glasair for $45 plus shipping. Would send
you the Super IIS handbook for $35 plus shipping if you are interested. It
's a very well done handbook so would be nice to have.
Jack, almost ready for inspection in Camp Verde, AZ
--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Randy Pinkston wrote:
From: Randy Pinkston <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Glasair-List: ready at last
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:29 AM
=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASuper IIS RG came in @ 1342 lbs
,,have done high speed taxi=0Atest,, feels good.=C2- Have a oil leak to
find & the final inspection=0A& then go from kit to airplane
nose w is193,,,Left is 484=0A& right is 472 ,,,It has the extra fuel bay
in wing behind spar Can=0Aanyone do the w/b for this=C2-=C2-
header tank holds 10 gals. wing -------?=0AI may have to fill to find out w
hat it is.. Randy Pinkston N71RP @ kafp=0Aanson county=C2- n.c.
=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | FS: Middle Tennessee Airstrip with home/hangar and more! |
| From: | "Ratherfly" <longmeadowfarm(at)aol.com> |
Always trying to play to a new crowd, I got to thinking. Who would be interested
(besides every day Cessna Pilots) in living in a home with it's own airstrip.
Dawned on me that someone who BUILD aircraft would love this place even more. HUGE
60X90 hangar, attached to a 3000 sf contemporary home.
One could tinker and work on their airplane at all hours.
If you are interested in learning more, I have built a website for my friends to
showcase this property. It is, for sale by owner.
$539,000 for the home/hangar/airstrip that includes 21.15 acres of pristine pilot
paradise.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299602#299602
Attachments:
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| From: | Craymondw(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: FS: Middle Tennessee Airstrip with home/hangar and more! |
At that price I would prefer to take the fifteen minute drive and trailer
my plane home and work on it in my large $2,000 heated shed. Knowing
Tennessee property taxes, I am sure they far exceed what I pay annually for a
hanger!!!
In a message dated 6/1/2010 2:42:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
longmeadowfarm(at)aol.com writes:
--> Glasair-List message posted by: "Ratherfly"
Always trying to play to a new crowd, I got to thinking. Who would be
interested (besides every day Cessna Pilots) in living in a home with it's own
airstrip.
Dawned on me that someone who BUILD aircraft would love this place even
more. HUGE 60X90 hangar, attached to a 3000 sf contemporary home.
One could tinker and work on their airplane at all hours.
If you are interested in learning more, I have built a website for my
friends to showcase this property. It is, for sale by owner.
$539,000 for the home/hangar/airstrip that includes 21.15 acres of
pristine pilot paradise.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299602#299602
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/26_104.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: FS: Middle Tennessee Airstrip with home/hangar and more! |
| From: | "Ratherfly" <longmeadowfarm(at)aol.com> |
http://longmeadow.vflyer.com/home/flyer/home/3291623
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301133#301133
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Blended foil prop |
Although I am having better performance with my new blended foil prop, the
down side is higher oil temperatures. My cylinder head temperatures still
remain below 300 degrees, but my oil temperature has climbed from 190
degrees to close to 220 degrees. It was suggested I install a very expensive
Airwolf or ADC spin on remote oil filter system with claims it will bring my
oil temp down 15 degrees. Another suggested adding another small oil cooler.
But I wondered if that would lower my oil pressure. I don't know if my oil
temperature jumped up because this prop pulls harder or if it spoils the
air flowing into my cowling. Any suggestions?!!
PS: Wentworth Air Salvage quoted me a price for an Airwolf out of a wreck
without hoses and filter for close to what AC Spruce sells a new complete
kit for!!
Chuck Raymond Glasair2S
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| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/14/10 |
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-
Chuck, is the oil cooler air coming from inside the top cowling space over
the heads, or do you have a separate NACA duct for this?
Also, you need to look at the air flow into and through the cooler. The tra
nsitions
should be smooth, not abrupt, and open generously. You can ram too much air
into
an otherwise fine cooler setup. Jamming eqals turbulence and lower air flow
with far less efficiency over the heat exchanger.
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Another consideration. It is OK to have excess power for takeoff, then thro
ttle back and climb slower / fly at reduced power, especially in hotter wea
ther. Many certified craft do this, especially turbo charged engines and tu
rbines.
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Or just fly higher in cooler air!
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Deep peace of the Light of the World to you.
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Subject: Glasair-List: Re: FS: Middle Tennessee Airstrip with home/hangar a
nd more!
From: "Ratherfly" <longmeadowfarm(at)aol.com>
http://longmeadow.vflyer.com/home/flyer/home/3291623
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From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Blended foil prop
Although I am having better performance with my new blended foil prop, the
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down side is higher oil temperatures. My cylinder head temperatures- stil
l
remain below 300 degrees, but my oil temperature has climbed from 190-
degrees to close to 220 degrees. It was suggested I install a very expensiv
e-
Airwolf or ADC spin on remote oil filter system with claims it will bring m
y
oil- temp down 15 degrees. Another suggested adding another small oil coo
ler.
But I- wondered if that would lower my oil pressure. I don't know if my o
il
temperature- jumped up because this prop pulls harder or if it spoils the
air flowing into my- cowling. Any suggestions?!!
PS: Wentworth Air Salvage quoted me a price for an Airwolf out of a- wrec
k
without hoses and filter for close to what AC Spruce sells a- new complet
e
kit for!!
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
EEA tech advisor, Joe Gauthier suggested I check my Vernatherm to see if it
was functioning. I thought to my self it couldn't be that, I replaced it
about 400 hours ago and how could it break the same time I replaced my prop.
So I removed it and placed it in a pot of boiling water for ten minutes
and found that it was frozen open!!! Murphy's Law; "If it can't possibly be
broken, it usually is!!"
Chuck Raymond Glasair 2S N16CD
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
This is a heads up: I discovered Lycoming's new vernatherm valve presses
against the drain stop cylinder valve located in the accessory case that
the oil screen housing is bolted too. You can see the cylinder by looking into
the hole that the vernatherm valve seats against when the oil reaches 180
degrees. If the valve presses against that cylinder it not only prevents
that cylinder from opening, it also jams the vernatherm valve as it expands.
I found that I had to file off a little under 3/32" off the threaded shaft
and crimping nut for it to clear.
Chuck
Raymond Glasair 16CD
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| From: | <glasairpilot(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Trimbox deadband problem |
We were having a little "deadband" in our Glasair elevator trim system, where you'd
roll the trim wheel an eighth turn with no effect on the trim.
I made a little video showing the problem and the solution. (After passing this
around, another builder reported he had a similar problem, but in his case, the
roll pin holes themselves elongated.)
Please see http://members.cox.net/mppalmer and click in the "video of trimbox deadband problem." It's a 30 second WMV file.
Hope this helps,
Mike Palmer <><
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Trimbox deadband problem |
EEA tech Joe Gautheir felt the factory trim tension was way to taunt and
relaxed my trim wire springs. I have been flying my Glasair that way for
nineteen trouble free years.
In a message dated 7/7/2010 11:38:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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We were having a little "deadband" in our Glasair elevator trim system,
where you'd roll the trim wheel an eighth turn with no effect on the trim.
I made a little video showing the problem and the solution. (After passing
this around, another builder reported he had a similar problem, but in his
case, the roll pin holes themselves elongated.)
Please see http://members.cox.net/mppalmer and click in the "video of
trimbox deadband problem." It's a 30 second WMV file.
Hope this helps,
Mike Palmer <><
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| From: | "Tad Sargent" <tadsargent(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | FS:Trutrak autopilot |
Digitrak
http://www.trutrakap.com/products/Digitrak.html
Fits Standard 2.25" Round Hole
Built-in Ground Track DG
Track Select Mode
GPS Nav Mode
Control Wheel Steering
12 Volts only
New DT2 - $1,600
This unit has been used for 123 hours. I bought it from a friend and I
intended to install it in the RV8 I am building, my partner does not want an
A/P in the plane.
Asking price $1300.00 for a barely used unit
call 704-591-2035
Tad Sargent
TeamRV
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| Subject: | Re: FS:Trutrak autopilot |
| From: | Robert Buckthal <rbuckthal(at)gmail.com> |
Tad
You need to get a new partner. The auto pilot is necessary for safe
operation of your airplane. You really should not fly without one.
Bob
On Saturday, July 31, 2010, Tad Sargent wrote:
>
>
> Digitrak
> http://www.trutrakap.com/products/Digitrak.html
>
> Fits Standard 2.25 Round Hole
> Built-in Ground Track DG
> Track Select Mode
> GPS Nav Mode
> Control Wheel Steering
> 12 Volts only
> New DT2 - $1,600
>
> This unit has been used for 123 hours. I bought it from a friend and I intended
> to install it in the RV8 I am building, my partner does not want an A/P in the
> plane.
>
> Asking price $1300.00 for a barely used unit
> call 704-591-2035
>
> Tad Sargent
> TeamRV
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FS:Trutrak autopilot |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 7/31/2010 10:32 AM, Robert Buckthal wrote:
>
> Tad
> You need to get a new partner. The auto pilot is necessary for safe
> operation of your airplane. You really should not fly without one.
Okay, I'll bite. How is it "necessary"?
None of the airplanes I've owned have had autopilots, and I've seen
plenty of RV8s flying without them, and they all appear to be flying
safely...
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
Join us on the New England Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/
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| From: | "Bruce Gray" <bgray(at)glasair.org> |
| Subject: | FS:Trutrak autopilot |
While the pilot work load level flying any Glasair VFR is low, the work
load goes up 5 fold flying IFR. If a pilot has everything nailed and
doesn't need to hunt for a chart or approach plate, it's doable.
Anything else and you're in deep sh*t. An autopilot is a go/nogo item
for IFR in a Glasair.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
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From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: FS:Trutrak autopilot
On 7/31/2010 10:32 AM, Robert Buckthal wrote:
>
> Tad
> You need to get a new partner. The auto pilot is necessary for safe
> operation of your airplane. You really should not fly without one.
Okay, I'll bite. How is it "necessary"?
None of the airplanes I've owned have had autopilots, and I've
seen
plenty of RV8s flying without them, and they all appear to be flying
safely...
-Dj
--
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Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
Join us on the New England Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/
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| From: | "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com> |
| Subject: | FS:Trutrak autopilot |
I wouldn't say it quite as firmly as Bruce, but I agree with him. I learned
to fly without a headset. Now I wouldn't fly without one with noise
canceling. It is a health and a safety issue. I am much better off with
the headset and the technology has made it available in my price range.
Autopilot technology has trickled down to us nicely in the digital age. It
is hard to fine a new airplane without an autopilot these days. The
venerable C-172 is only manufactured with the G1000. Nearly every one has
the GFC 700 autopilot because the price bump is relatively small. This is a
2 axis autopilot that can fly GPS derived step-downs, and track ILS and GPS
vertical guidance. IN A C-172!
We have 4 C-172's in our flight school. Every one of them has an autopilot
(only one has a G1000). Every one who learns to fly at our school does so
with an autopilot equipped aircraft, and a skill set to use it in certain
emergency situations. Use beyond that is of course, up to the pilot.
My point is you have little or no experience with autopilots so you don't
appreciate what they bring to convenience and safety. If you have the
space, weight and fiscal allowance, and autopilot will be as good an
addition to your capability as a noise canceling headset.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
Chief Instructor, Edwards AFB Aero Club
While the pilot work load level flying any Glasair VFR is low, the work
load goes up 5 fold flying IFR. If a pilot has everything nailed and
doesn't need to hunt for a chart or approach plate, it's doable.
Anything else and you're in deep sh*t. An autopilot is a go/nogo item
for IFR in a Glasair.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: FS:Trutrak autopilot
On 7/31/2010 10:32 AM, Robert Buckthal wrote:
>
> Tad
> You need to get a new partner. The auto pilot is necessary for safe
> operation of your airplane. You really should not fly without one.
Okay, I'll bite. How is it "necessary"?
None of the airplanes I've owned have had autopilots, and I've
seen
plenty of RV8s flying without them, and they all appear to be flying
safely...
-Dj
--
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
Join us on the New England Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FS:Trutrak autopilot |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 7/31/2010 4:39 PM, Doug Dodson wrote:
> My point is you have little or no experience with autopilots so you don't
> appreciate what they bring to convenience and safety.
Hi Doug,
I'll try not to take offense at your presumption of my knowledge, but
the point is that an autopilot is not a required item to fly an airplane
safely. Yes, they may add to the airplane, much like a glass panel, but
are not necessary.
I'd make the argument that if a person is relying on an autopilot for
safe operation, their stick and rudder skills are quite likely not at
the level they should be...
Bruce makes a good point about IFR flight (whether it be a Glasair or
the RV-8 the original poster wrote about). The original poster didn't
mention how their RV-8 would be used, but most RV-8s that I am aware of
are used for VFR pleasure flight and aerobatics, both cases where hand
flying the airplane is far more pleasurable than letting George do the
flying.
Personally, if I already had the autopilot, I'd spend the effort to
convince my partner to install it. They don't have to use it if it is
there, but it might be useful on occasion. The only downside I can
think of is a slight bit of extra weight, and possibly a slight extra
drag on the control stick depending on the servo type.
-Dj
--
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Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
Join us on the New England Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/
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| From: | "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com> |
| Subject: | FS:Trutrak autopilot |
No offense intended. I didn't actually realize I replied to someone other
than the original poster, whose experience I really don't know either. My
presumption of experience was based on this comment:
"None of the airplanes I've owned have had autopilots..."
Of course, it was a presumption. Many items are not "required", but safety
is a relative term. All of the airplanes I have owned have had autopilots.
I have actually owned only one and that was a 1966 Mooney M0. The autopilot
was far from sophisticated but very useful for the way I employed the
aircraft. My current ride, a borrowed 1956 Bonanza, has no autopilot and it
can get tedious for anything but the 20 minute $100 hamburger run. It has
proved to me the points I am making here.
The benefits of an autopilot have nothing whatsoever to do with stick and
rudder skills. Stick and rudder skills are for landing the plane. Stick
and rudder skills require a tremendous workload when exercised for high
accuracy tasks. Autopilots simply relieve workload to allow focus on other,
sometimes life critical tasks in low gain flight conditions (moderate gain
tasks such as an ILS require more sophisticated and more expensive
autopilots.
Anyway, unless the airplane is going to spend [insert some high percentage
number] of its time within 1 hour of home station, or a purpose built
aerobat, or some other very specific exceptional design mission, then in a
modern world an autopilot has practical safety value.
I would be hard pressed (I try to never say never) to be convinced that an
autopilot in a glider is a good idea, but an airplane like a Glasair or RV-8
would almost certainly have increased utility and increased safety with an
autopilot. Many RV-8's are used for long distance cross-country with a
passenger. "Most" are probably do a good mix of local pleasure flying and
travel.
The safety feature is realized in its zenith in the all too common VFR in
IMC scenario. I'll take a wing leveler over a BRS any day (there is a can
of worms, feel free to leave it un-opened). I teach escape strategies to my
primary students at our school. "Students" also includes renter pilots
doing recurring checks. No commercial or instrument pilot gets away without
demonstrating full proficiency in autopilot operations, limitations and
techniques.
And they have to do all of the tasks without the autopilot too.
Summarizing, safety is a relative term, autopilots improve safety in many
circumstances not limited to advanced certificates, and they are light and
not as expensive as they used to be.
- Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: FS:Trutrak autopilot
On 7/31/2010 4:39 PM, Doug Dodson wrote:
> My point is you have little or no experience with autopilots so you don't
> appreciate what they bring to convenience and safety.
Hi Doug,
I'll try not to take offense at your presumption of my knowledge,
but
the point is that an autopilot is not a required item to fly an airplane
safely. Yes, they may add to the airplane, much like a glass panel, but
are not necessary.
I'd make the argument that if a person is relying on an autopilot
for
safe operation, their stick and rudder skills are quite likely not at
the level they should be...
Bruce makes a good point about IFR flight (whether it be a Glasair
or
the RV-8 the original poster wrote about). The original poster didn't
mention how their RV-8 would be used, but most RV-8s that I am aware of
are used for VFR pleasure flight and aerobatics, both cases where hand
flying the airplane is far more pleasurable than letting George do the
flying.
Personally, if I already had the autopilot, I'd spend the effort to
convince my partner to install it. They don't have to use it if it is
there, but it might be useful on occasion. The only downside I can
think of is a slight bit of extra weight, and possibly a slight extra
drag on the control stick depending on the servo type.
-Dj
--
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
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| Subject: | Re: FS:Trutrak autopilot |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 7/31/2010 9:59 PM, Doug Dodson wrote:
> The benefits of an autopilot have nothing whatsoever to do with stick and
> rudder skills. Stick and rudder skills are for landing the plane.
*shrug* We may have to agree to disagree.
The particular quote I "challenged" initially (made by Bob) was "The
auto pilot is necessary for safe operation of your airplane. You really
should not fly without one." Then you and Bruce went on to support that
statement to various degrees.
If someone is relying on an autopilot in order to safely operate an
aircraft, then IMHO they need to go spend more time with their flight
instructor. In other words, if they can't fly the airplane safely
without the autopilot, then they should not be flying the plane.
-Dj
--
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Join us on the New England Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FS:Trutrak autopilot |
Adding my two cents is that when I fly my Glasair on long cross countries
of a thousand miles or so, I have found that one can't fly those distances
without encountering weather. My experience is, it is better to have an
auto pilot than being in a bad situation wishing you had one.
In a message dated 8/1/2010 12:29:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
deej(at)deej.net writes:
--> Glasair-List message posted by: Dj Merrill
On 7/31/2010 9:59 PM, Doug Dodson wrote:
> The benefits of an autopilot have nothing whatsoever to do with stick and
> rudder skills. Stick and rudder skills are for landing the plane.
*shrug* We may have to agree to disagree.
The particular quote I "challenged" initially (made by Bob) was "The
auto pilot is necessary for safe operation of your airplane. You really
should not fly without one." Then you and Bruce went on to support that
statement to various degrees.
If someone is relying on an autopilot in order to safely operate an
aircraft, then IMHO they need to go spend more time with their flight
instructor. In other words, if they can't fly the airplane safely
without the autopilot, then they should not be flying the plane.
-Dj
--
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Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/
Join us on the New England Aviation Forums - http://forum.deej.net/
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| From: | "robert l. hunter" <rlhrlh(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Glasair III fuel filler cap |
I lose one of these guys once a year.
Anyone know of a cheaper source than Glasair ($134.00)?
Robert
N957DJ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Gray" <bgray(at)glasair.org> |
| Subject: | Glasair III fuel filler cap |
Salvage yard.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert l.
hunter
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 7:58 PM
Subject: Glasair-List: Glasair III fuel filler cap
I lose one of these guys once a year.
Anyone know of a cheaper source than Glasair ($134.00)?
Robert
N957DJ
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
Polen Racer, Dick Kyte owns a computerized milling machine. Contact him and
I think he could manufacture a gas cap for far less cost. I think Dick has
his own web site.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
Glasair 2S FT, 200 hp Lycoming. I previously reported high oil temps after
replacing my old prop with the new blended foil prop and wrongly thought
the high temps were from the new prop working harder. Even with my high oil
temperature my cylinder temps were below 300 degrees. So upon Glasairs'
Harry DeLongs' advice I decided to redirect the air from cooling my rear
right cylinder to my oil cooler inlet by installing a cooling fin insert on the
aft portion of that cylinders' cooling fins. But as I was re installing my
upper cowling I noticed that a piece of silicon seal had come off. On the
top cowling there is step in the fiberglass that I filled with a bead of
silicon. So I cleaned up that area and replaced it with a self stick 1.25
wide X 3/16 thick Camper Mounting (foam) Tape that I applied to 3M Hi-Strength
90 Spray adhesive. In between the two cowling reinforcement lay ups, I
doubled up on the tape to make a continuous smooth seal that spans the width
of my cowling. I also have a front baffle that blocks air from moving
forward through the forward spinner fairing where I use a folded over truck inner
tube riveted to an aluminum baffle in that area. I applied a strip of
Camper Sealer tape on top of the inner tube to insure it doesn't leak air.
After completing the installation I test flew the plane in 95 degree outside
temps and that appeared to solve my problem of very high oil temps that once
ranged as high as 220 to 230 degrees. I flew the plane in a 95 degree
ambient temperature and recorded that my oil temperature had dropped to
between 200 degrees to 209 degrees with a cylinder temperature increase of a
few
degrees to 305 degrees. After landing I shined a flash light into the
inlets and could see that my rear engine baffling was firmly pressed against
the newly installed Camper Mounting tape.
As I point of interest I met the engineer that designed and tested the
new blended foil prop that he designed well over ten years ago. The engineer
reported that he wasn't surprised that the prop added another 20 mph during
the winter months and less during the higher temps of summer. When I
reported that I could feel the prop in the airframe, he reported that the
blended foil prop develops a "shock wave" near the tips and that was what I was
feeling.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenair aircraft FLOATS |
| From: | "Zenair_Mathieu" <newplane(at)gmail.com> |
This is an update to an earlier posting about the Zenair floats. After coming back
from Oshkosh, it was decided to start developing a 2,500# float as a lot of
Glasair owners including others were asking for that.
The development work is now complete and parts are being made so we should start
shipping the 2,500# float kits in January. Kits will be available as a parts
kit (no holes drilled) or a pre-drilled kit (floats are pre-assembled at the
factory and disassembled for shipping).
For those of you who want amphibious floats, we have good news for you as they
will be offered at the same time as the straight floats. Main wheel size will
be 18.5" - HUGE and excellent for grass strips.
For more info on all this, please see www.zenairfloats.com or call me at 705-526-2871
Cheers
Mathieu Heintz
Zenair
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316463#316463
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| From: | "asu4me" <rv74me(at)yahoo.com> |
Mid time (preferably) O-360 wanted for my RV-7 project. An -A1A model would be
ideal but others will be considered. Contact Jerry at rv74me(at)yahoo.com
--------
Jerry Kosirog
RV7A Finish Kit
N855GK (Reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317462#317462
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| From: | "John Bolding" <jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net> |
Got a buddy with a II TD and 40 hrs total time, tailwheel assy bent to one
side, easy enough to fix and strengthen but is this a common problem? He
operates off grass but smooth.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Gray" <bgray(at)glasair.org> |
Yes.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Bolding
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 8:38 PM
Subject: Glasair-List: Bent tailwheel,
Got a buddy with a II TD and 40 hrs total time, tailwheel assy bent to
one
side, easy enough to fix and strengthen but is this a common problem?
He
operates off grass but smooth.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Young <robin02(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bent tailwheel, |
John, I built a Glasair 1 TD in 1984 and still fly it. The problem you described
happened to me early on. I reinstalled the strut with the mill fiber as the
manual indicated and added bi=directional cloth around the outside and onto the
fuselage. It was probably 4-6 layers. No problems since. Robin Young 286YM.
----->Got a buddy with a II TD and 40 hrs total time, tailwheel assy bent to one
>side, easy enough to fix and strengthen but is this a common problem? He
>operates off grass but smooth.
>
>John
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Bolding" <jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bent tailwheel, |
Thanks for the reply Robin but the part that bent is the steel piece that
the wheel mounts in, any problems there?
Thanks John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Young" <robin02(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Bent tailwheel,
>
> John, I built a Glasair 1 TD in 1984 and still fly it. The problem you
> described happened to me early on. I reinstalled the strut with the mill
> fiber as the manual indicated and added bi=directional cloth around the
> outside and onto the fuselage. It was probably 4-6 layers. No problems
> since. Robin Young 286YM.
>
> ----->Got a buddy with a II TD and 40 hrs total time, tailwheel assy bent
> to one
>>side, easy enough to fix and strengthen but is this a common problem? He
>>operates off grass but smooth.
>>
>>John
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | Robin Young <robin02(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bent tailwheel, |
John, the fork is not where the streeses showed on mine. I have gone to the Grove
gear and increased my gross to 1900lbs from the original 1500lb. landing weight.
Still there has been no problem. RObin
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Bolding <jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net>
>Sent: Oct 31, 2010 4:03 PM
>To: glasair-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Bent tailwheel,
>
>
>Thanks for the reply Robin but the part that bent is the steel piece that
>the wheel mounts in, any problems there?
>
>Thanks John
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robin Young" <robin02(at)mindspring.com>
>To: ;
>Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:14 PM
>Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Bent tailwheel,
>
>
>>
>> John, I built a Glasair 1 TD in 1984 and still fly it. The problem you
>> described happened to me early on. I reinstalled the strut with the mill
>> fiber as the manual indicated and added bi=directional cloth around the
>> outside and onto the fuselage. It was probably 4-6 layers. No problems
>> since. Robin Young 286YM.
>>
>> ----->Got a buddy with a II TD and 40 hrs total time, tailwheel assy bent
>> to one
>>>side, easy enough to fix and strengthen but is this a common problem? He
>>>operates off grass but smooth.
>>>
>>>John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Gray" <bgray(at)glasair.org> |
And I'll bet you make wheel landings rather than full stall.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin
Young
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Bent tailwheel,
John, the fork is not where the streeses showed on mine. I have gone to
the Grove gear and increased my gross to 1900lbs from the original
1500lb. landing weight. Still there has been no problem. RObin
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Bolding <jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net>
>Sent: Oct 31, 2010 4:03 PM
>To: glasair-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Bent tailwheel,
>
>
>Thanks for the reply Robin but the part that bent is the steel piece
that
>the wheel mounts in, any problems there?
>
>Thanks John
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robin Young" <robin02(at)mindspring.com>
>To: ;
>Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:14 PM
>Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Bent tailwheel,
>
>
>>
>> John, I built a Glasair 1 TD in 1984 and still fly it. The problem
you
>> described happened to me early on. I reinstalled the strut with the
mill
>> fiber as the manual indicated and added bi=directional cloth around
the
>> outside and onto the fuselage. It was probably 4-6 layers. No
problems
>> since. Robin Young 286YM.
>>
>> ----->Got a buddy with a II TD and 40 hrs total time, tailwheel assy
bent
>> to one
>>>side, easy enough to fix and strengthen but is this a common
problem? He
>>>operates off grass but smooth.
>>>
>>>John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Young <robin02(at)mindspring.com> |
Yep...all wheel landings. RObin
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bruce Gray <bgray(at)glasair.org>
>Sent: Nov 1, 2010 1:21 PM
>To: glasair-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Bent tailwheel,
>
>
>And I'll bet you make wheel landings rather than full stall.
>
>Bruce
>www.Glasair.org
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin
>Young
>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 1:12 PM
>To: glasair-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Bent tailwheel,
>
>
>John, the fork is not where the streeses showed on mine. I have gone to
>the Grove gear and increased my gross to 1900lbs from the original
>1500lb. landing weight. Still there has been no problem. RObin
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Bolding <jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net>
>>Sent: Oct 31, 2010 4:03 PM
>>To: glasair-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Bent tailwheel,
>>
>
>>
>>Thanks for the reply Robin but the part that bent is the steel piece
>that
>>the wheel mounts in, any problems there?
>>
>>Thanks John
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Robin Young" <robin02(at)mindspring.com>
>>To: ;
>>Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:14 PM
>>Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Bent tailwheel,
>>
>>
>
>>>
>>> John, I built a Glasair 1 TD in 1984 and still fly it. The problem
>you
>>> described happened to me early on. I reinstalled the strut with the
>mill
>>> fiber as the manual indicated and added bi=directional cloth around
>the
>>> outside and onto the fuselage. It was probably 4-6 layers. No
>problems
>>> since. Robin Young 286YM.
>>>
>>> ----->Got a buddy with a II TD and 40 hrs total time, tailwheel assy
>bent
>>> to one
>>>>side, easy enough to fix and strengthen but is this a common
>problem? He
>>>>operates off grass but smooth.
>>>>
>>>>John
>
>
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how do i stop receiving this ????i no longer own a glasair...and dont want
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
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Buy another Glasair!!!!
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lol....ok....
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Buy another Glasair!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/02/10 |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 11/04/2010 10:41 AM, Craymondw(at)aol.com wrote:
> Buy another Glasair!!!!
I often wish I hadn't sold mine...
-Dj
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
Just received disturbing information from my options trader son. He just
learned that OPEC won't sell anymore oil unless it gets better than $85/
barrel. But if expected 1970's inflation hits this summer look for oil in the
$150/barrel range. If that happens $5/ gallon 100 LL will look cheap by
comparison as gas prices more than double. Just returned from the Caribbean
where the Mexican resorts will no longer accept the dollar. They regard it as
worthless as the PESO once was.
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| From: | Sportypilot <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com> |
Bullshit
Sent from cell
On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Craymondw(at)aol.com wrote:
> Just received disturbing information from my options trader son. He just l
earned that OPEC won't sell anymore oil unless it gets better than $85/ barr
el. But if expected 1970's inflation hits this summer look for oil in the $1
50/barrel range. If that happens $5/ gallon 100 LL will look cheap by compar
ison as gas prices more than double. Just returned from the Caribbean where t
he Mexican resorts will no longer accept the dollar. They regard it as worth
less as the PESO once was.
>
>
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| From: | Steve Gray <redstripe9(at)hoosierlink.net> |
What makes you think so?
Steve Gray
KHHG
On Nov 4, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Sportypilot wrote:
> Bullshit
>
> Sent from cell
>
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Craymondw(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>> Just received disturbing information from my options trader son. He just l
earned that OPEC won't sell anymore oil unless it gets better than $85/ barr
el. But if expected 1970's inflation hits this summer look for oil in the $1
50/barrel range. If that happens $5/ gallon 100 LL will look cheap by compar
ison as gas prices more than double. Just returned from the Caribbean where t
he Mexican resorts will no longer accept the dollar. They regard it as worth
less as the PESO once was.
>>
>>
>
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
Hope you don't have to eat those words. I hear BS tastes real good with
lots of Ketchup!
In a message dated 11/4/2010 5:27:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
redstripe9(at)hoosierlink.net writes:
What makes you think so?
Steve Gray
KHHG
On Nov 4, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Sportypilot <_sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com_
(mailto:sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com) > wrote:
Bullshit
Sent from cell
On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:41 PM, _Craymondw(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Craymondw(at)aol.com)
wrote:
Just received disturbing information from my options trader son. He just
learned that OPEC won't sell anymore oil unless it gets better than $85/
barrel. But if expected 1970's inflation hits this summer look for oil in the
$150/barrel range. If that happens $5/ gallon 100 LL will look cheap by
comparison as gas prices more than double. Just returned from the Caribbean
where the Mexican resorts will no longer accept the dollar. They regard it as
worthless as the PESO once was.
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| From: | davesbox1(at)aol.com |
sorry fellas just not so- last month flew from ktpl- nug in panama stoppin
g in 5 countries and the US dollar was in demand everywhere i went- i cant
imagine the resorts want the euro or the peso over our dollar....lolololo
lol...if they do ...give it to them!
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Gray <redstripe9(at)hoosierlink.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: 100LL
What makes you think so?
Steve Gray
KHHG
On Nov 4, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Sportypilot wrote:
Bullshit
Sent from cell
On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Craymondw(at)aol.com wrote:
Just received disturbing information from my options trader son. He just
learned that OPEC won't sell anymore oil unless it gets better than $85/
barrel. But if expected 1970's inflation hits this summer look for oil in
the $150/barrel range. If that happens $5/ gallon 100 LL will look cheap
by comparison as gas prices more than double. Just returned from the Cari
bbean where the Mexican resorts will no longer accept the dollar. They reg
ard it as worthless as the PESO once was.
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| From: | Sportypilot <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com> |
Don't believe everything you hear
Sent from cell
On Nov 4, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Craymondw(at)aol.com wrote:
> Hope you don't have to eat those words. I hear BS tastes real good with lo
ts of Ketchup!
>
> In a message dated 11/4/2010 5:27:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, redstripe
9(at)hoosierlink.net writes:
> What makes you think so?
>
> Steve Gray
> KHHG
>
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Sportypilot wrote:
>
>> Bullshit
>>
>> Sent from cell
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Craymondw(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Just received disturbing information from my options trader son. He just
learned that OPEC won't sell anymore oil unless it gets better than $85/ ba
rrel. But if expected 1970's inflation hits this summer look for oil in the $
150/barrel range. If that happens $5/ gallon 100 LL will look cheap by compa
rison as gas prices more than double. Just returned from the Caribbean where
the Mexican resorts will no longer accept the dollar. They regard it as wor
thless as the PESO once was.
>>>
>>>
>>
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| From: | Sportypilot <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com> |
I am a oil broker.. Don't believe everything
You hear..
Sent from cell
On Nov 4, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Steve Gray wrote:
> What makes you think so?
>
> Steve Gray
> KHHG
>
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Sportypilot wrote:
>
>> Bullshit
>>
>> Sent from cell
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Craymondw(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Just received disturbing information from my options trader son. He just
learned that OPEC won't sell anymore oil unless it gets better than $85/ ba
rrel. But if expected 1970's inflation hits this summer look for oil in the $
150/barrel range. If that happens $5/ gallon 100 LL will look cheap by compa
rison as gas prices more than double. Just returned from the Caribbean where
the Mexican resorts will no longer accept the dollar. They regard it as wor
thless as the PESO once was.
>>>
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| From: | Steve Thomas <lists(at)stevet.net> |
Why couldn't you have said that the first time? Must we be so callow?
Steve
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On Nov 4, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Sportypilot wrote:
> I am a oil broker.. Don't believe everything
> You hear..
>
> Sent from cell
>
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Steve Gray
wrote:
>
>> What makes you think so?
>>
>> Steve Gray
>> KHHG
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Sportypilot
wrote:
>>
>>> Bullshit
>>>
>>> Sent from cell
>>>
>>> On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Craymondw(at)aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just received disturbing information from my options trader son. He
just learned that OPEC won't sell anymore oil unless it gets better than
$85/ barrel. But if expected 1970's inflation hits this summer look for
oil in the $150/barrel range. If that happens $5/ gallon 100 LL will
look cheap by comparison as gas prices more than double. Just returned
from the Caribbean where the Mexican resorts will no longer accept the
dollar. They regard it as worthless as the PESO once was.
>>>>
>>>>
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| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
>
> What makes you think so?
>
If it were true, we'd probably see at least one news report about it...
:-)
-Dj
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
One way to hedge gasoline prices is by owning petroleum commodities funds.
As the value of the funds increase the return will be far greater than
what is paid for the increased prices of gasoline. With Yo' Momma suspending
off shore drilling he really hurt the industry. The country has a little
left in reserve now, but with any recovery those reserves will begin to
dwindle. The air carriers are pulling aircraft out of storage along with trucking
fleets and that will place added pressure on limited supplies. Add to that
China's huge monthly increases of oil imports and the added strain that is
creating. Another factor is the falling value of the dollar. A lot
depends on what the Federal Reserve does with interest rates. If they increase
rates that will improve the dollar stabilizing prices. The above information
was researched and forwarded to me through relatives in the investment
industry and a personal Wealth Management adviser. This coming flying season
will be interesting.
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| From: | Davesbox1(at)aol.com |
anyone have a direct e-mail to Mr Matt Dralle? the matronics list
administrator?
thanks!
Dave / Texas
In a message dated 11/5/2010 2:14:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
dralle(at)matronics.com writes:
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| From: | MPPalmer(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: US Cash not accepted in Mexico |
>From http://www.bajabushpilots.com/
"US Cash cannot be used at major airports. A new rule has been put in
effect that limits transactions of US dollars in Mexico. This Mexican IRS law,
took effect October 31, 2010. Because of this law, ASA informed the BPI that
ASA can no longer accept US currency for product or . . ."
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Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
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I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "vittorio pajno" <vittorio.pajno(at)fastwebnet.it> |
Spect. Matronix
I would like to contact a couple of amateur builders of the Glasair with
fixed landing gear in order to have some info.
My e-mail is :
vittorio.pajno(at)fastwebnet.it
Thanks for your help
Best regards from
V.Pajno
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution... |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for
my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments... |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List
Support Contributions. I've shared some of them below. Please read them over
and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation
of these services.
There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and
pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Long time lurker, it's a great resource...many thanks.
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Thank you very much for keeping the list going!
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Thank you for your support to the community.
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I am a long time subscriber and a slow builder because of
work and two moves, but still enjoy the process and your
list.
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the List - which is the best organised list I've seen on the Internet.
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I've been flying for almost two years and still find these Lists as a great
resource for information.....now I get to answer a question once-in-a-while too.
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I couldn't keep on building without the support I get from this List.
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William V
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Danny S
A valuable resource.
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Thanks for running a great list.
Ted P
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List
services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really
said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places
on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR
CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left; Well Behind Last Year... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser. Response
has been good so far, but we're well behind last year at this point. If you've
been waiting until the last minute to make your Contribution, now might be good
time to show your support and maybe pick up a nice gift as well!
Please remember that there is no commercial advertising on these Lists and the
*only* means of keeping them running is through your Contributions during this
Fund Raiser. If it weren't for your individual Contributions, these Lists could
easily become economically infeasible and simply cease to exist.
You probably can't even take the family out to dinner for $20 these days, but your
individual Contribution of the same amount makes a huge difference in keeping
the List services alive.
Please make a Contribution today with a Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
in December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have
helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contributions Down By 17%... |
Dear Listers,
As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by roughly 17%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to
keep the expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and
the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter
of hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I
ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a
modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive
gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
card, Paypal, or a personal check:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... |
Dear Listers,
Curiously, even though the number of List subscriptions are significantly up this
year, support during this year's Fund Raiser is still substantially behind
last year. There are only a couple more days left in November and the end of
the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching.
I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members
have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser
cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid, other sources of income
might be required including some sort of advertising. Please don't let that
happen! Your personal Contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping
the operation a float.
Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in
December.
The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments... |
Dear Listers,
There are just three days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. Won't you take
a monment and make a quick Contribution today to support the continued upgrade
and operation of these Forum services.
I've received some more really nice comments from Listers along with their List
Support Contributions, and I've share a few below.
There are some sweet gifts available this year, so browse the selections and pickup
a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Great resource, keep it coming...
Marten V.
Thanks for maintaining these essential lists!
Rumen D.
Great Service!
Douglas D.
Thanks for this great service!
Peter T.
Thanks for your enduring support of homebuilding communications!
Daniel M.
You do a great job and provide a valuable service.
Mark B.
It's really a great source I have used a lot.
Robert K.
Reading the RV-10 list is part of my morning routine...
Perry C.
Great job running these lists.
Edward T.
Thanks for doing a tough job.
Mic T.
Your List was such a great resource for me when I built in "98".
Ron V.
Its a very useful forum.
Dave F.
Really enjoy your list...
William D.
Great service,
Gerald T.
The list still is a valuable source of information and there
are many worthwhile postings.
Graham H.
The list has seen me through an RV-9A, RV-10, and now an RV-12.
Albert G.
Thanks for a great resource!
Barry H.
Thank you for maintaining this excellent site.
Bill W.
The Matronics Email list are an invaluable service.
William C.
I appreciate the RV-10 list.
Vijay P.
Thanks for a great list and all of the work you do.
Ian W.
Thanks for keeping up this very useful list.
George R.
The list is excellent and I find it very handy for any problems
I come up against during construction.
Greg W.
The lists are an important part of my day. I've met lots of people
and made lots of friends.
Dave S.
It's really a great source I haved used a lot.
Robert K.
I read the Pietenpol List everyday.
PF B.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! |
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner with just two more days
in this year's Fund Raiser! Later in December I will post a list of everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists this year. Its
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists.
Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard,
or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its
my 47th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the really
nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then
now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2010 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2010 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible.
Their generous contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and
running.
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I also want to thank Bob, Jon, and Andy for their generous support through the
supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and I encourage
you to visit their respective web sites:
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2010 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2010.html
Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
I just read a report about a wing skin on a Cessna Columbia "disbonding
seven feet during a production acceptance flight test." The FAA is issuing an
AD and looking into if "unsafe condition is likely to exist in other
products of the same type of design." As I was building my Glasair I needed to
disbond my rudder skins because of a mistake I made and was surprised how
easily they came apart and hoped my wing skins would fair better. I had a
friend that manufactured glass sail boats help me and he sanded my spars and
wing skins with 80 grit paper and washed them with acetone before laminating
them together. During the construction he would comment on the parts and
would ask in his thick German accent; ""Vat did Glasair design..a tank?!!"
When I incorrectly laminated a foot long fiber glass right angle to the
inside of a fuselage skin I at first tried to pop it off using a hammer and
chisel and couldn't and ended spending a long time sawing it off with a hack
saw blade. Four years later when my nose gear sheared off the plane as I
was landing on a sandy soil threshold causing my right wing dug into the
ground and cart wheeling the plane. My concern was disbonding of the wing
skins. I tapped the entire length of the spar with a coin and couldn't detect
any disbonding. My German fiberglass expert friend advised that if my skins
hadn't rippled there wouldn't be any disbonding. All of my damage was at the
point of contact. My G-Meter was pegged at 14G's and I couldn't decide if
the wing actually stood 14 G's or if that was the shock of the nose digging
into the ground. Bob Heredeen pulled very high G's in both his Glasair 2
and 3 for years. Also Glasair uses a different resin than Lancair that may
be stronger. I completed my plane in the spring of 1991 and had the nose
wheel assembly part company in 1996. After I repaired my plane I pulled my
chute from my Pitt's S1S and flew up to 6,000 feet and did aerobatics to
test my wings and pulled close to six G's. I never bailed out of a plane
before and hoped I wouldn't have to. I would also add that there has never been
an in flight structural failure of a Glasair. My hope is that the FAA
doesn't jump the gun and issue an AD on Glasair's and that they first contact
the company and retrieve some data.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Gray" <bgray(at)glasair.org> |
Actually, there has been a structural failure of a Glasair III. It was
similar to the Columbia incident. Chip Beck was flying his GIII at an
airshow, during his acro routine he experienced a wing skin/spar
delamination. Fuel was sloshing all over. He said he was pulling about 9
G's
at the time. The wing was originally closed by Phoenix Composites using
a
non-standard closing method and material.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:45 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: Glasair spars
I just read a report about a wing skin on a Cessna Columbia "disbonding
seven feet during a production acceptance flight test." The FAA is
issuing
an AD and looking into if "unsafe condition is likely to exist in other
products of the same type of design." As I was building my Glasair I
needed
to disbond my rudder skins because of a mistake I made and was surprised
how
easily they came apart and hoped my wing skins would fair better. I had
a
friend that manufactured glass sail boats help me and he sanded my spars
and
wing skins with 80 grit paper and washed them with acetone before
laminating
them together. During the construction he would comment on the parts and
would ask in his thick German accent; ""Vat did Glasair design..a
tank?!!"
When I incorrectly laminated a foot long fiber glass right angle to the
inside of a fuselage skin I at first tried to pop it off using a hammer
and
chisel and couldn't and ended spending a long time sawing it off with a
hack
saw blade. Four years later when my nose gear sheared off the plane as I
was
landing on a sandy soil threshold causing my right wing dug into the
ground
and cart wheeling the plane. My concern was disbonding of the wing
skins. I
tapped the entire length of the spar with a coin and couldn't detect any
disbonding. My German fiberglass expert friend advised that if my skins
hadn't rippled there wouldn't be any disbonding. All of my damage was at
the
point of contact. My G-Meter was pegged at 14G's and I couldn't decide
if
the wing actually stood 14 G's or if that was the shock of the nose
digging
into the ground. Bob Heredeen pulled very high G's in both his Glasair 2
and
3 for years. Also Glasair uses a different resin than Lancair that may
be
stronger. I completed my plane in the spring of 1991 and had the nose
wheel
assembly part company in 1996. After I repaired my plane I pulled my
chute
from my Pitt's S1S and flew up to 6,000 feet and did aerobatics to test
my
wings and pulled close to six G's. I never bailed out of a plane before
and
hoped I wouldn't have to. I would also add that there has never been an
in
flight structural failure of a Glasair. My hope is that the FAA doesn't
jump
the gun and issue an AD on Glasair's and that they first contact the
company
and retrieve some data.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "B.J. McClure" <keepertoad(at)bellsouth.net> |
> The wing was originally closed by Phoenix Composites using a
> non-standard closing method and material.
Would you elaborate on this a little. What exactly was the "method" and
"materials". Thanks in advance.
B.J. McClure
Glasair III N300JJ
x86_64
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| From: | "Bruce Gray" <bgray(at)glasair.org> |
>From what I've been told is that they used a mixture of resin, mill
fiber,
and cabosil. Cabosil in high strength bonds is a no-no. All it does is
weaken the bond.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of B.J.
McClure
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Glasair spars
The wing was originally closed by Phoenix Composites using a
non-standard
closing method and material.
Would you elaborate on this a little. What exactly was the "method" and
"materials". Thanks in advance.
B.J. McClure
Glasair III N300JJ
x86_64
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair spars |
Know your materials and in critical areas follow the manual. In a
message dated 12/16/2010 1:36:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bgray@glasair
.org
writes:
>From what I=99ve been told is that they used a mixture of resin,
mill
fiber, and cabosil. Cabosil in high strength bonds is a no-no. All it doe
s is
weaken the bond.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of B.J. McClure
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Glasair spars
The wing was originally closed by Phoenix Composites using a non-standard
closing method and material.
Would you elaborate on this a little. What exactly was the "method" and
"materials". Thanks in advance.
B.J. McClure
Glasair III N300JJ
x86_64
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| From: | "B.J. McClure" <keepertoad(at)bellsouth.net> |
Thanks. Appreciate the info.
> >From what Ive been told is that they used a mixture of resin, mill
> fiber, and cabosil. Cabosil in high strength bonds is a no-no. All it
> does is weaken the bond.
>
>
>
>
> Bruce
> www.Glasair.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of B.J.
> McClure
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:47 PM
> To: glasair-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Glasair spars
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The wing was originally closed by Phoenix Composites using a
> non-standard closing method and material.
>
>
> Would you elaborate on this a little. What exactly was the "method"
> and "materials". Thanks in advance.
>
> B.J. McClure
> Glasair III N300JJ
>
> x86_64
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
x86_64
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | super II srg done |
Just finished this bird, It's @ Anson county kafp & was painted there also
if anyone wants a good paint job for the money, can contact gene @
704-984-0144.. 214mph8.5gph@8000@75%power
214mph8.5gph@8000@75%25power>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mark Burrow <mkburrow(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: super II srg done |
Congratulations....Post some pictures.=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________
_______=0AFrom: Randy Pinkston <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com>=0ATo: glasair-lis
t(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, March 2, 2011 2:49:33 PM=0ASubject: Glasair-Li
st: super II srg done=0A=0A =0AJust finished this bird, It=99s @ Anso
n county kafp & was painted there also if =0Aanyone wants a good paint job
for the money, can contact gene @ 704-984-0144.. =0A214mph8.5gph@8000@75%p
================= =0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Pinkston" <pinkston(at)carolina.rr.com> |
71rp is done
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/03/11 |
| From: | mppalmer(at)aol.com |
After 16 years since we finished our Glasair, I can attest to the
truism that the work on a homebuilt aircraft is never done.
Still tweaking ours.
Mike Palmer <><
=====================
71rp is done
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wndwlkr1228(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Pitot-static tube |
Aero Instruments heated pitot-static tube AN-5814 (12 volt) for sale.
Best offer. Email me off list.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert L. Hunter" <rlhrlh(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Sale of Glasair III |
I intend to put my bird up for sale this summer, and request suggestions
from the community as to what sites for listing might be the most effective.
Thanks in advance,
Robert
N957DJ
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Sale of Glasair III |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 7/9/2011 8:34 AM, Robert L. Hunter wrote:
> I intend to put my bird up for sale this summer, and request
> suggestions from the community as to what sites for listing might be
> the most effective.
>
Two I use are:
http://barnstormers.com/cat.php
http://aviationclassifieds.com/
Also, AOPA and EAA have free listings on their respective websites.
Also http://www.trade-a-plane.com/ but they are very expensive.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Sale of Glasair III |
You should list it here first because you might find someone that wants to
up grade.
In a message dated 7/9/2011 10:58:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
deej(at)deej.net writes:
On 7/9/2011 8:34 AM, Robert L. Hunter wrote:
I intend to put my bird up for sale this summer, and request suggestions
from the community as to what sites for listing might be the most effective.
Two I use are:
_http://barnstormers.com/cat.php_ (http://barnstormers.com/cat.php)
_http://aviationclassifieds.com/_ (http://aviationclassifieds.com/)
Also, AOPA and EAA have free listings on their respective websites.
Also _http://www.trade-a-plane.com/_ (http://www.trade-a-plane.com/) but
they are very expensive.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - _http://deej.net/sportsman/_
(http://deej.net/sportsman/)
Glastar Flyer N866RH - _http://deej.net/glastar/_
(http://deej.net/glastar/)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Glasair-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11 |
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of society
they
no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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| From: | "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11 |
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it's not funny. Now everyone that isn't
ATC or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes
in September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven "unnecessary"
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife and
I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and forth
since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can begin
an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
society they no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11 |
Doug, Thanks for the moral support. Chuck Raymond
In a message dated 8/3/2011 2:35:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com writes:
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it=99s not funny. Now everyone tha
t isn=99t ATC
or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes in
September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven =9Cunnece
ssary=9D
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
____________________________________
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craymondw@ao
l.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application
for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA
and was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has
been mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having bi
g
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can'
t
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JE
TA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how La
w
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by coopera
tion.
Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of society they n
o
longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond Glasair2SFT N16CD
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glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/03/11 |
Doug,
When I fly my plane to Oshkosh and register our Glasair, the EAA
has no doubt that my wife and I own that plane and know where we live. But
when I tried to re register my plane several times with the FAA they just
couldn't seem to figure out who my wife and I are and where we live and have
grounded our plane because it has "expired" due to their incompetence of
letting their data base become compromised and made it our problem and not
theirs.
My son was one of the youngest captain's flying a 747 for an airline
and was dragged out of the left seat and made vice president of a new
division handling TSA mandates. He often flew to meet with Washington TSA heads
and passed on to me this quote from a top Washington TSA official; "My job
is to get every general aviation plane out of the sky." This is the mind
set of a government that wants central planning. We as a people are loosing
our freedoms one freedom at a time and I am one pissed off American.
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3. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
(Craymondw(at)aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA
re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application
for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is
perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA
and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has
been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having
big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I
can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from
JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I
contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how
Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
society
they
no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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From: "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it's not funny. Now everyone that isn't
ATC or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes
in September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven
"unnecessary"
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and
I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and forth
since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from
JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin
an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
society they no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
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glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Doug, Thanks for the moral support. Chuck Raymond
In a message dated 8/3/2011 2:35:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com writes:
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it=99s not funny. Now everyone tha
t isn=99t ATC
or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes
in
September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven =9Cunnece
ssary=9D
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
____________________________________
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craymondw@ao
l.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application
for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA
and was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has
been mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having bi
g
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can'
t
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JE
TA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how La
w
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by coopera
tion.
Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of society they n
o
longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | re registration forms |
What is the site for electronic registration?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com> |
| Subject: | re registration forms |
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_reg
istry/
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: re registration forms
What is the site for electronic registration?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/03/11 |
Screw it. I'm moving to China. Do they have beer there?
- Doug
_____
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Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:27 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/03/11
Doug,
When I fly my plane to Oshkosh and register our Glasair, the EAA has
no doubt that my wife and I own that plane and know where we live. But when
I tried to re register my plane several times with the FAA they just
couldn't seem to figure out who my wife and I are and where we live and have
grounded our plane because it has "expired" due to their incompetence of
letting their data base become compromised and made it our problem and not
theirs.
My son was one of the youngest captain's flying a 747 for an airline
and was dragged out of the left seat and made vice president of a new
division handling TSA mandates. He often flew to meet with Washington TSA
heads and passed on to me this quote from a top Washington TSA official;
"My job is to get every general aviation plane out of the sky." This is the
mind set of a government that wants central planning. We as a people are
loosing our freedoms one freedom at a time and I am one pissed off American.
In a message dated 8/4/2011 3:06:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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Dodson)
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________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application
for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from
JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
society
they
no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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From: "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it's not funny. Now everyone that isn't
ATC or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes
in September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven "unnecessary"
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife and
I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and forth
since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can begin
an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
society they no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Doug, Thanks for the moral support. Chuck Raymond
In a message dated 8/3/2011 2:35:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com writes:
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it=99s not funny. Now everyone tha
t isn=99t ATC
or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes in
September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven =9Cunnece
ssary=9D
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
____________________________________
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craymondw@ao
l.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application
for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA
and was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has
been mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having bi
g
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can'
t
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from JE
TA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how La
w
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by coopera
tion.
Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of society they n
o
longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/03/11 |
Did you know that China has less business restrictions than the USA and
aviation growth is explosive there.
In a message dated 8/4/2011 12:16:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com writes:
Screw it. I=99m moving to China. Do they have beer there?
- Doug
____________________________________
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craymondw@ao
l.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:27 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/03/11
Doug,
When I fly my plane to Oshkosh and register our Glasair, the EAA has no
doubt that my wife and I own that plane and know where we live. But when I
tried to re register my plane several times with the FAA they just couldn
't
seem to figure out who my wife and I are and where we live and have
grounded our plane because it has "expired" due to their incompetence of l
etting
their data base become compromised and made it our problem and not theirs.
My son was one of the youngest captain's flying a 747 for an airline and
was dragged out of the left seat and made vice president of a new division
handling TSA mandates. He often flew to meet with Washington TSA heads and
passed on to me this quote from a top Washington TSA official; "My job is
to get every general aviation plane out of the sky." This is the mind set
of
a government that wants central planning. We as a people are loosing our
freedoms one freedom at a time and I am one pissed off American.
In a message dated 8/4/2011 3:06:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
*
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________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA
re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application
for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is
perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA
and
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has
been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having
big
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I
can't
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from
JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I
contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how
Law
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
society
they
no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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From: "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com>
Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent funding
assurance for several years, but it's not funny. Now everyone that isn't
ATC or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvene
s
in September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven "unnecessary
"
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
_____
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Craymondw(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA re
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and
I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and forth
since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectly
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA an
d
was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has been
mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having bi
g
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can'
t
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from
JETA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacted
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin
an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how La
w
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created by
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
society they no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond
Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Doug, Thanks for the moral support. Chuck Raymond
In a message dated 8/3/2011 2:35:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com writes:
I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent fundin
g
assurance for several years, but it=99s not funny. Now everyone tha
t isn=99t ATC
or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress reconvenes
in
September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven =9Cunnece
ssary=9D
personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to support!
Fat Chance.
Doug Dodson
Glasair II-S FT
Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
____________________________________
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craymondw@a
o
l.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with this FAA r
e
registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane my wife
and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back and
forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my application
for
trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is perfectl
y
air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned the FAA
and was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form has
been mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are having b
i
g
problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems and I can
'
t
begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything from
JE
TA
747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I contacte
d
Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he can
begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that wrote how L
a
w
originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and created b
y
agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by cooper
a
tion.
Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of society they
n
o
longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
Chuck Raymond Glasair2SFT N16CD
In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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| From: | John Grosse <grosseair(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/03/11 |
Tsingtao Beer, produced by Tsingtao Brewery
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsingtao_Brewery>, has been the best
selling beer in China <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China> for eleven
consecutive years, and is also the brand most widely exported to other
countries.
It's just "okay."
John
Doug Dodson wrote:
>
> Screw it. Im moving to China. Do they have beer there?
>
> - Doug
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Craymondw(at)aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:27 AM
> *To:* glasair-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/03/11
>
> Doug,
>
> When I fly my plane to Oshkosh and register our Glasair, the EAA has
> no doubt that my wife and I own that plane and know where we live. But
> when I tried to re register my plane several times with the FAA they
> just couldn't seem to figure out who my wife and I are and where we
> live and have grounded our plane because it has "expired" due to their
> incompetence of letting their data base become compromised and made it
> our problem and not theirs.
>
> My son was one of the youngest captain's flying a 747 for an airline
> and was dragged out of the left seat and made vice president of a new
> division handling TSA mandates. He often flew to meet with Washington
> TSA heads and passed on to me this quote from a top Washington TSA
> official; "My job is to get every general aviation plane out of the
> sky." This is the mind set of a government that wants central
> planning. We as a people are loosing our freedoms one freedom at a
> time and I am one pissed off American.
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2011 3:06:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
>
> *
>
>
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> 1. 09:37 AM - Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
> (Craymondw(at)aol.com)
> 2. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11 (Doug
> Dodson)
> 3. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
> (Craymondw(at)aol.com)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
> Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
>
> Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with
> this FAA re
> registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane
> my wife
> and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form
> back and
> forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my
> application for
>
> trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is
> perfectly
> air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned
> the FAA and
> was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form
> has been
> mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
> registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are
> having big
> problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems
> and I can't
> begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything
> from JETA
> 747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I
> contacted
> Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he
> can
> begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
> There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
> written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that
> wrote how Law
> originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and
> created by
> agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
> cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the
> function of society
> they
> no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
> Chuck Raymond
> Glasair2SFT N16CD
>
>
> In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
>
> *
>
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>
> From: "Doug Dodson" <douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com>
> Subject: RE: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
>
> I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
> government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent
> funding
> assurance for several years, but it's not funny. Now everyone that
> isn't
> ATC or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress
> reconvenes
> in September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven
> "unnecessary"
> personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to
> support!
>
>
> Fat Chance.
>
>
> Doug Dodson
>
> Glasair II-S FT
>
> Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Craymondw(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
> Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
>
>
> Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with
> this FAA re
> registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane
> my wife and
> I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form back
> and forth
> since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my
> application for
> trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is
> perfectly
> air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned
> the FAA and
> was told that their hands are tied because everything on the form
> has been
> mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say electronic re
> registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are
> having big
> problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems
> and I can't
> begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything
> from JETA
> 747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I
> contacted
> Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he
> can begin
> an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
>
> There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
> written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that
> wrote how Law
> originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and
> created by
> agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
> cooperation. Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the
> function of
> society they no longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
>
> Chuck Raymond
> Glasair2SFT N16CD
>
>
> In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
>
> *
>
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> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
> Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
> version
> of the Glasair-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
> editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
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> 11-08-02&Archive=Glasair
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> From: Craymondw(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
>
> Doug, Thanks for the moral support. Chuck Raymond
>
>
> In a message dated 8/3/2011 2:35:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> douglas.dodson(at)pobox.com writes:
>
>
> I used electronic. No issue. I am definitely with you on laws and
> government. It is a joke that the FAA has not received any decent
> funding
>
> assurance for several years, but it=99s not funny. Now everyone tha
> t isn=99t ATC
> or specifically safety related is on furlough until congress
> reconvenes in
>
> September. I say we find new jobs for the 4000 now proven =9Cunnece
> ssary=9D
> personnel and scrap the laws that bureaucracy was established to
> support!
>
> Fat Chance.
>
> Doug Dodson
> Glasair II-S FT
> Flight Test Engineer, CFI-A/S&MEL/I/G
>
>
> ____________________________________
>
> From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Craymondw@ao
> l.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:35 AM
> Subject: Glasair-List: Re: Glasair-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/02/11
>
> Have any Glasair drivers had the same problem I am having with
> this FAA re
>
> registration hastle? I have been trying to re register the plane
> my wife
>
> and I built twenty years ago. I have been mailing the same form
> back and
>
> forth since early last December and the FAA keeps bouncing my
> application
> for
> trivial matters and now have grounded my plane even though it is
> perfectly
>
> air worthy and they can see I am putting in an effort. I phoned
> the FAA
> and was told that their hands are tied because everything on the
> form has
>
> been mandated by congress. I contacted the EAA and they say
> electronic re
>
> registration is smoother than mail in and the mail in pilots are
> having bi
> g
> problems. AOPA told me that numerous owners are having problems
> and I can'
> t
> begin to imagine how much fuel revenue is being lost on everything
> from JE
> TA
> 747's to 100LL just so the government can collect five bucks. I
> contacted
>
> Senator Isakson and he mailed me a "Hold Harmless" form so that he
> can
> begin an FAA sub comittee investigation over this ridiculous idea.
>
> There is a 75 page book let in circulation named "The Law" that was
> written in the 18th century by an economist named Batist that
> wrote how La
> w
> originated. Basically it states that laws must be practical and
> created by
>
> agreement amongst citizens in order for each citizen to benefit by
> coopera
> tion.
> Batist goes on to say that when laws impede the function of
> society they n
> o
> longer are useful to those citizens and not obeyed.
>
> Chuck Raymond Glasair2SFT N16CD
>
>
> In a message dated 8/3/2011 3:06:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> glasair-list(at)matronics.com writes:
>
> *
>
>
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>
>
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
Does anyone have Glasair three driver, Ken Johnson's new e-mail address.
Debbie Raymond Glasair 2S owner.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | " Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Need more speed. Anyone need less? |
Glasair 1 Pilots:
My son has moved 400+ NM away, so I now have a need to go a lot faster, and
I am hoping to find someone that needs to go slower or just needs the 5-6
gph fuel burn! Perhaps one of you fits that bill? I have a well-built and
well-proven Zodiac 601XLb taildragger I'd like to trade for a Glasair 1 (TD
or RG).
I haven't put together a real web page yet, and am missing glass panel and
interior shots, but most of the specs are here:
http://members.cox.net/n601ge/equiplist/EquipmentList.html
Here is a picture of the plane centerline at Conoco-Philips Plaza (!) at
Oshkosh in July this year:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=320080&id=133387926736000&fbid=156365
127771613
I will be listing her for $44K with a fresh inspection, and she should be
ready to go by the Copperstate Fly-In in mid-October
(http://www.copperstate.org/csj/). I am willing to discuss +/- $5K or so in
the deal. Performance One )nee Phoenix Composites) is right here at my
field (FFZ) for a pre-buy inspection on the Glasair, if someone is
interested.
Let's talk if you are interested,
Andy
------------------------
Andy Elliott
N601GE/Z601XL/TD/Corvair
390 hrs since 11/08
CL: 480-695-9568
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce" <BGray(at)glasair.org> |
| Subject: | Need more speed. Anyone need less? |
A word of advice,
Glasair I RG landing gear parts are no longer made or stocked by the
factory. That means that if you bend your landing gear you'll have to
manufacturer your own parts or scrap the airplane.
GI's cruise at 170 KTS (Most have 160 HP engines)
GII's, around 180 KTS (Most have 180 HP engines)
GIII's cruise around 230 KTS (300 HP engine)
Fixed gear will slow the above airplanes by 10-15 KTS (Except the GIII
which doesn't have a fixed gear flavor).
Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Andrew
Elliott
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: Glasair-List: Need more speed. Anyone need less?
Glasair 1 Pilots:
My son has moved 400+ NM away, so I now have a need to go a lot faster,
and
I am hoping to find someone that needs to go slower or just needs the
5-6
gph fuel burn! Perhaps one of you fits that bill? I have a well-built
and
well-proven Zodiac 601XLb taildragger I'd like to trade for a Glasair 1
(TD
or RG).
I haven't put together a real web page yet, and am missing glass panel
and
interior shots, but most of the specs are here:
http://members.cox.net/n601ge/equiplist/EquipmentList.html
Here is a picture of the plane centerline at Conoco-Philips Plaza (!) at
Oshkosh in July this year:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=320080&id=133387926736000&fbid=15
6365
127771613
I will be listing her for $44K with a fresh inspection, and she should
be
ready to go by the Copperstate Fly-In in mid-October
(http://www.copperstate.org/csj/). I am willing to discuss +/- $5K or
so in
the deal. Performance One )nee Phoenix Composites) is right here at my
field (FFZ) for a pre-buy inspection on the Glasair, if someone is
interested.
Let's talk if you are interested,
Andy
------------------------
Andy Elliott
N601GE/Z601XL/TD/Corvair
390 hrs since 11/08
CL: 480-695-9568
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Need more speed. Anyone need less? |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 09/12/2011 03:18 PM, Bruce wrote:
> GI's cruise at 170 KTS (Most have 160 HP engines)
>
> GII's, around 180 KTS (Most have 180 HP engines)
>
> GIII's cruise around 230 KTS (300 HP engine)
>
> Fixed gear will slow the above airplanes by 10-15 KTS (Except the GIII
> which doesn't have a fixed gear flavor).
Hmmm.. My Glasair 1 FT with fixed gear, fixed pitch prop had a top
speed of 194 kts IAS at 8000 feet. Lyc 150hp.
Just fyi,
-Dj
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce" <BGray(at)glasair.org> |
| Subject: | Need more speed. Anyone need less? |
You must be going downhill :).
Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Glasair-List: Need more speed. Anyone need less?
On 09/12/2011 03:18 PM, Bruce wrote:
> GI's cruise at 170 KTS (Most have 160 HP engines)
>
> GII's, around 180 KTS (Most have 180 HP engines)
>
> GIII's cruise around 230 KTS (300 HP engine)
>
> Fixed gear will slow the above airplanes by 10-15 KTS (Except the GIII
> which doesn't have a fixed gear flavor).
Hmmm.. My Glasair 1 FT with fixed gear, fixed pitch prop had a
top
speed of 194 kts IAS at 8000 feet. Lyc 150hp.
Just fyi,
-Dj
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Need more speed. Anyone need less? |
Well built Glasair2 Fts' are faster on average than the Rg's. The reason
being is RG gear weights a heck of a lot more. If you find a Glasair 2
with Van's wheel pants they add another 6 to 7 knots over Glasair factory
supplied. My Glasair2S was clocked at the 1994 Sun and Fun race doing 227 mph
with a 190 hp engine. One of the fastest Glasair2's FT 200Hp is owned by
Monte McClain in Crestview Beach Fla. That plane has a newly over hauled
engine and he purchased a three a few years back. Try contacting him.
a message dated 9/12/2011 3:21:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
BGray(at)glasair.org writes:
--> Glasair-List message posted by: "Bruce"
A word of advice,
Glasair I RG landing gear parts are no longer made or stocked by the
factory. That means that if you bend your landing gear you'll have to
manufacturer your own parts or scrap the airplane.
GI's cruise at 170 KTS (Most have 160 HP engines)
GII's, around 180 KTS (Most have 180 HP engines)
GIII's cruise around 230 KTS (300 HP engine)
Fixed gear will slow the above airplanes by 10-15 KTS (Except the GIII
which doesn't have a fixed gear flavor).
Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-glasair-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Andrew
Elliott
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: Glasair-List: Need more speed. Anyone need less?
Glasair 1 Pilots:
My son has moved 400+ NM away, so I now have a need to go a lot faster,
and
I am hoping to find someone that needs to go slower or just needs the
5-6
gph fuel burn! Perhaps one of you fits that bill? I have a well-built
and
well-proven Zodiac 601XLb taildragger I'd like to trade for a Glasair 1
(TD
or RG).
I haven't put together a real web page yet, and am missing glass panel
and
interior shots, but most of the specs are here:
http://members.cox.net/n601ge/equiplist/EquipmentList.html
Here is a picture of the plane centerline at Conoco-Philips Plaza (!) at
Oshkosh in July this year:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=320080&id=133387926736000&fbid=15
6365
127771613
I will be listing her for $44K with a fresh inspection, and she should
be
ready to go by the Copperstate Fly-In in mid-October
(http://www.copperstate.org/csj/). I am willing to discuss +/- $5K or
so in
the deal. Performance One )nee Phoenix Composites) is right here at my
field (FFZ) for a pre-buy inspection on the Glasair, if someone is
interested.
Let's talk if you are interested,
Andy
------------------------
Andy Elliott
N601GE/Z601XL/TD/Corvair
390 hrs since 11/08
CL: 480-695-9568
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Grosse <grosseair(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Need more speed. Anyone need less? |
There's a Glasair IIRG on ebay right now listed as "buy now" for $49,000.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - 2011 List Fund Raiser Kickoff - 21 Years Strong!! |
Dear Listers,
This year marks 21 years of the Email Lists and Forums at Matronics! I've been
running these forums for nearly half my life! I've made some great friends over
the years and had countless email and personal conversations with builders
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support, and friendship has be invaluable over the years.
To support the continued operation and upgrade of the List servers, each November
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to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack of flashing
banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages and web
site pages including:
* Matronics List Forums http://forums.matronics.com
* Matronics List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search
* Matronics List Browser http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
* Matronics List List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com
You don't find advertising on any of these pages because I believe in a List experience
that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - airplanes!
During the month of November, I will be sending out List messages every couple
of days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular
messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these Lists. Your personal Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year we've got another terrific line up of free gifts to go along
with the various Contribution levels. Many of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists
and they have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include:
* Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com
* Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, and Andy for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods afford
you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-8 Builder (and Rebuilder) and Flyer
RV-6 Rebuilder and Flyer
RV-4 Builder
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well!
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund
Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined
with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site
up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are
so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have
it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | tomgiles(at)aol.com |
Here is a link I promised u to send http://thebubblefish.com/inf.php
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| From: | tomgiles(at)aol.com |
Here is a link I promised u to send http://thebubblefish.com/inf.php
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
in December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's Your Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some pointd, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest
performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for over 21 years (yeah, I really
said *21* years) worth of on line archive data available for instant search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining
the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these aspects of Matronics List services.
Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Your Contributions
alone keep these services up and running.
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | The Value of a Forum... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Arn't the Lists worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR Lists?
Please make a Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed -- List of Contributors Published |
Dec 1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the Lists
are a whole lot more valuable than your typical magazine subscription!
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contributions Down By 20%... |
Dear Listers,
As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by roughly 20%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to
keep the expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash, all of the Lists and the many
years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of
hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I
ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a
modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive
gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Site, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
card, Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution Today... |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser and the List of Contributors
is quickly approching. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported
and all of the operational costs are provided for by your Contributions during
this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left - Still Way Behind... |
Dear Listers,
There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. Over the last
few weeks I have received some really nice comments from members on what the
Lists have meant to them. I have included some of them below. Please read over
the comments and ponder on your own feelings about the Lists and the support
and camaraderie you have found here.
We are still way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions. I really
want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt community, but it
take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to keep
the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the Fund Raiser that
keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today.
If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time
to do it!
Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution
web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a check in the mail:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
==================== A Few List Member Comments =====================
I get a lot of useful information and satisfaction from belonging to
your groups. Somehow you foster a great sense of community without
the baggage that accompanies other lists.
Dave S.
We do appreciate you running the lists spam and advertising free.
Jeff P.
I am celebrating my first flight day and you and the lists deserve
a thanks since without it my build would have taken twice as long.
Chris L.
I enjoy the list. Have my morning coffee with it!
Buddy M.
Your lists are the best investment of my time and money, bar none,
when it comes to interfacing with my fellow amateur builders.
Owen B.
Keep it going!! Thanks for taking over.
Wallace J.
I enjoy the Pietenpol List a lot.
Malcolm Z.
Thanks for your great site! As a new CJ-6 owner, your web site is an
invaluable resource.
Ken B.
Great informational source.
Fred S.
Thanks for doing this!
Lance G.
Thank you for the service i do enjoy the many hours I use on line with
the banter/ serious technical items.
Noel G.
Thanks for the years of builder support.
Roy H.
Great forum!
Roger C.
Thank you VERY MUCH, Matt, for carrying on with this great service.
The "Europa" community really appreciates it. All the best, Svein - now
celebrating 10 years as a subscriber, I think!
Svein J.
Matt, I'm building a much nicer and safer airplane because of your efforts.
Robert D.
21 years for you 9 years for me on the Zenith lists. Could not imagine
building and flying without Matronics.
Brian U.
Thanks for ALL the hard work and time you put into maintaining these
forums. As an EAA Tech counselor I recommend them often.
Paul M.
This Pietenpol list is a huge part of the motivation that keeps me working
on my project. This has been a great place for meeting like minded folks
and getting help for the difficult parts.
Thomas S.
Thanks for the excellent service Matt.
Frank S.
Matt, I'm a Sonex building, but I have to say that the Piet group is without
a doubt the most interesting.
Ken M.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate the Piet List. This is one of my sanity
lifelines!
Daniel H.
Your site has provided us over the years with excellent connections to others
for advice. Good job!
Bob M.
Kolb List is my #1 source!
Henry V.
Matt, you do a great job with this site. I've been with it since the
beginning!
John M.
I am very grateful for all of your excellent work on the List.
Arthur L.
Thank you for the service you provide us all!
Nicholas C.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my birthday again, 48
of them, in fact! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of those really
nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
Below are a few more of the nice comments from Listers I've received this year.
Please read them over and see if you don't agree.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
==================== A Few More List Member Comments =====================
I never would have ended up with the great flying airplane I have without
the help of people on the Pietenpol list. Thanks for giving us the medium
to communicate our questions, tips and suggestions.
Matt P.
Thanks for the hard work and maintaining the site commercial free. Good
luck for the future and this site has been a source of great friendship.
Peter B.
It is a great resource.
Jim G.
Thanks so much for your continuing support of the homebuilt community.
Gerald A.
You are doing an outstanding job running the list's. Keep it going.
Bill V.
Thanks for keeping this valuable information source going. Best of all
the forums.
George A.
Another Great year on the RV-List!
Thomas E.
Still the best source of information (& opinion) for builders on a wide
range of issues.
Martin H.
Matt, thanks for hosting and maintaining the lists!
Rumen D.
It is a great resource.
Bryan R.
Thanks for your continuing interest in Van's RV8 kitplanes.
Peter C.
I'm no longer building or flying but like to keep in touch with the current
generation of builders. Best wishes to a great list system.
Gerry C.
A great list that is most useful for builders.
Graham H.
Thanks for this wonderful tool!
Ralph C.
Thanks for a great service to the experimental aviation community.
Douglas D.
Great topics and loads of useful info keep the subject matter relevant.
George H.
Thanks for keeping this going.
Richard R.
Great facility and well managed.
Victor F.
Thanks for a great service.
John D.
Thank you for you time and efforts they have made Aviation a better
place for everyone.
Jim W.
I still enjoy getting the list in the morning.
Don M.
You provide a great resource.
David M.
You have probably saved a few necks over the years.
Robert F.
Thank you for being there.
Benjamin B.
You perform a great service.
Bruce M.
Thank you for providing this invaluable resource.
William D.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Hardware Failure - Matronics Web Servers Currently Offline |
failure and is currently not available. Replacement hardware has been ordered
and should arrive on Tuesday 12/6/2011. All services should be restored
shortly there after.
During the outage, the Matronics Forums, Wiki, and other web-based List services
will NOT be available.
However, during the outage, all normal EMAIL based sevices WILL be available so
you may continue to post messages to the various lists without an issue.
I am so sorry for any inconvenience this web server outage has caused...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Web Services Restored! |
Dear Listers,
web services have been fully restored including the Web Forums, List Browse,
Archive Search, Wiki, and AeroElectric web sites. It was quite an ordeal getting
the replacement boards for the server, but things went back together tonight
and are up and running nicely. The first company I ordered the boards from
originally called me a day later to say that, whoops, they really didn't have
them in stock after all... Fortunately, I was able to locate some through
a different source and had then over-nighted and they arrived today.
Thank you for your patience and consideration though the whole thing!
The List Contribution web site is also back on line for those wishing to make a
donation to the effort:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2011 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2011 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its
the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible.
Their generous contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and
running!
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I also want to thank Bob, Jon, and Andy for their generous support through the
supply of great gifts this year!! These guys have some great products and I encourage
you to visit their respective web sites:
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2011 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2011.html
Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
Hi guys,
I just purchased a new GPS and want to sell my very reliable old
one. It is an aviation Garmin 195 moving map. I had it rewired to plug
into a 12v jack. And I have the old cigaret plug. I have the yoke mount and
case and will sell everything for $96. If interested phone me at 404-545-4641.
Debbie Raymond;
Glasair 2SFT 200hp N16CD
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| Subject: | Glasair 3 Kit for Sale |
| From: | p mosher <fyitaf(at)gmail.com> |
Selling my Glasair 3 kit,. Electric slotted flaps and wingtip extension
options. Landing gear installed and plumbed in wing, Wing almost ready to
close. Located at KIMM. Available for inspection anytime. Contact via email
or call 239-595-4587. Paul
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| From: | "L. Shawn Kilpatrick" <lshawnk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Hartzell Aerobatic Prop, Governor and Spinner for Glasair |
II
72" Hartzell Aerobatic Prop=2C Spinner with front and backplates and Woodwa
rd Gov. Prop PN: HC-C2YR-4CF/FC7666A-4=2C SN: AU9420B=2C TT since new 366 h
rs. Prop was Inspected and Resealed by Aircraft Prop Service=2C Inc=2C Whee
ling=2C IL in 3/2010. Gov PN D210688=2C SN 2136064P TT 366 hrs=2C Spinner f
or Glasair II TT 366 Hours. The Prop is current with all AD=92s. All items
in storage since 3/2010. I flew the prop only cross country=2C never aeroba
tic. Never experienced any issues with the Prop or Gov. Cost for all three:
$7=2C100. Photos and log book available. - Contact L. Shawn Kilpatrick
=2C Owner - located Gurnee=2C IL USA - Telephone: 847 826 0648 .
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| Subject: | Check your wing to fuselage fittings for tightness! |
| From: | mppalmer(at)aol.com |
We just completed our 16th "annual" inspection. (17th year of flying,
3300 hrs.) I had rechecked the torque on the front and rear wing to
fuselage fittings about seven to ten years ago, but to my surprise, the
front screws took another quarter turn this time. The rear bolts were
still pretty tight but needed an eighth of a turn.
I'm thinking that installing Countersunk Tinnerman washers on the front
screws (which the factory called for in a SB and then later rescinded)
might be a good idea. I'm guessing the screw heads are crushing the
glass over time and, as with a wood prop and crushing fibers, need
constant re-torquing?
(We also checked the engine mount to firewall torque years ago. Those
bolts also needed a quarter turn more back then.)
FWIW, we fly straight & level. No aerobatics.
P.S. The plane is still for sale. glasairforsale,freevar.com
Hope this helps,
Mike Palmer <><
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| Subject: | Re: Check your wing to fuselage fittings for tightness! |
| From: | Todd Copeland <n355tc(at)comcast.net> |
With 3300 hours tightening them once doesn't sound too bad. Ironically, I just
drilled these very holes to mount the wing on my glasair 3 today!
Did you mark the nuts when you installed them to have a reference? This way you
can tell if they are backing off or if indeed they are working into the fiberglass.
Would be useful to know this one. Either way, 17 years and 3300 hours seems
like quite a bit of flying to only need that small tweak. Good luck with
the sale, too bad you are leaving the ranks of glasairs.
Todd
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:06 PM, mppalmer(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> We just completed our 16th "annual" inspection. (17th year of flying, 3300 hrs.)
I had rechecked the torque on the front and rear wing to fuselage fittings
about seven to ten years ago, but to my surprise, the front screws took another
quarter turn this time. The rear bolts were still pretty tight but needed an
eighth of a turn.
>
> I'm thinking that installing Countersunk Tinnerman washers on the front screws
(which the factory called for in a SB and then later rescinded) might be a good
idea. I'm guessing the screw heads are crushing the glass over time and, as
with a wood prop and crushing fibers, need constant re-torquing?
>
> (We also checked the engine mount to firewall torque years ago. Those bolts also
needed a quarter turn more back then.)
>
> FWIW, we fly straight & level. No aerobatics.
>
> P.S. The plane is still for sale. glasairforsale,freevar.com
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Mike Palmer <><
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Check your wing to fuselage fittings for tightness! |
| From: | Dick Gossen <gossend(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, Mike. I'll check 'em.
Dick Gossen
N90GG
22 years flying/1900 hours
On Jun 4, 2012, at 4:06 PM, mppalmer(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> We just completed our 16th "annual" inspection. (17th year of flying, 3300 hrs.)
I had rechecked the torque on the front and rear wing to fuselage fittings
about seven to ten years ago, but to my surprise, the front screws took another
quarter turn this time. The rear bolts were still pretty tight but needed an
eighth of a turn.
>
> I'm thinking that installing Countersunk Tinnerman washers on the front screws
(which the factory called for in a SB and then later rescinded) might be a good
idea. I'm guessing the screw heads are crushing the glass over time and, as
with a wood prop and crushing fibers, need constant re-torquing?
>
> (We also checked the engine mount to firewall torque years ago. Those bolts also
needed a quarter turn more back then.)
>
> FWIW, we fly straight & level. No aerobatics.
>
> P.S. The plane is still for sale. glasairforsale,freevar.com
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Mike Palmer <><
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Check your wing to fuselage fittings for tightness! |
I talked to friend from Germany that built fiber glass yachts beginning in
the late 1950's through the late 1970's. Now he produces fiber glass parts
for aircraft ranging from wheel pants to wing tips. I remember him
telling me that resin continues to cure even after it's initial cure until it
eventually disintegrates. Don't worry because that will take a few hundred
years or more. He reported the resin cures in a curve that slowly drops off
over time. I would imagine that as the resin cures over lets say the first
several years that it may also shrink. Has anyone made any studies or taken
any measurements? And could this be the reason for screws and bolts
becoming loose? Back in 1996 I had my nose wheel assembly part company on my 1991
Glasair 2S Ft when we landed on grass growing on a sandy type of soil and
it flung into my right main causing the wing to drop on the dangling right
main strut causing the outer bottom skin to dent a little. Those original
3/16 bolts holding on the nose wheel trunions stretched until they snapped
causing the nose wheel assembly to part company. When I had the wing in the
shop and began to sand it to scarf in layers of cloth I found I couldn't
make any progress sanding it by hand. So I used a body grinder beginning with
150 grit paper and nothing happened, I kept switching paper until I ended
using 80 steel grit!! I found grinding through the factory layers harder
than grinding through aircraft sheet aluminum. My German friend asked me if I
had built a tank!!
Here is a hint. In case you have to make a fiber glass repair,
after you use the heavy cloth and it has cured use a very light fiber glass
cloth used on model aircraft as a finishing layer to cover up the weave of
the heavier factory glass cloth weave. After that spray it with a two part
feather fill and block sand it out.
In a message dated 6/4/2012 5:37:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mppalmer(at)aol.com writes:
--> Glasair-List message posted by: mppalmer(at)aol.com
We just completed our 16th "annual" inspection. (17th year of flying,
3300 hrs.) I had rechecked the torque on the front and rear wing to
fuselage fittings about seven to ten years ago, but to my surprise, the
front screws took another quarter turn this time. The rear bolts were
still pretty tight but needed an eighth of a turn.
I'm thinking that installing Countersunk Tinnerman washers on the front
screws (which the factory called for in a SB and then later rescinded)
might be a good idea. I'm guessing the screw heads are crushing the
glass over time and, as with a wood prop and crushing fibers, need
constant re-torquing?
(We also checked the engine mount to firewall torque years ago. Those
bolts also needed a quarter turn more back then.)
FWIW, we fly straight & level. No aerobatics.
P.S. The plane is still for sale. glasairforsale,freevar.com
Hope this helps,
Mike Palmer <><
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| Subject: | Errata on tighting wing/fuse hardware |
| From: | mppalmer(at)aol.com |
I guess I wasn't clear. This was the second time I've re-torqued the
hardware in the life of the plane.
But you're correct - twice in 17 years isn't bad.
The nuts are marked with nail polish. It's not a matter of the nuts
backing out. It's a matter of the fiberglass changing dimension.
It could be the high density foam crushing over time in addition to the
resin shrinking.
Yes, I can believe that the resin is constantly shrinking/curing.
Someone told me once that, with the Glasairs, this is because the resin
was never oven cured and so is constantly shrinking as it (still)
cures. Remember how the factory started to oven cure the fiberglass
gear legs on the FT's and TD's after a while? Taking them to a certain
temperature in the oven made thema a lot stronger. Before they were
oven cured, they used to creep outward.
I know that here, in sunny, hot Phoenix, the dark red fairings on our
Glasair have shrunk. You can see the texture of the weave of the cloth
over time - kinda like the bones poking out in an emaciated person.
And, consistent with oven curing, the engine mount to fuse bolts only
needed to be re-torqued once. The heat of the engine compartment seems
to have done a final cure and any further shrinkage there has been
minimal.
In any event, next time you're doing maintenance on the airplane, check
for things like this. We tend to think the static parts stay static.
But no harm in putting a wrench on them to make sure.
Report your results here. It should be interesting to know what the
rest of you find with attach hardware tightness on your plane.
Mike <><
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| From: | Craymondw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Errata on tighting wing/fuse hardware |
Fiber glass pioneers like you will provide the data for future designs and
maintenance and your knowledge will be incorporated into manuals. That
German friend of mine informed me that the first German made fiber glass
glider manufactured back in the late 1950's still flies!! 1950's resins, glass
cloth and building techniques have evolved since then and there is no co
mparison with today's products and technology. My German friend thinks over
built Glasairs will be the D.C.3's of the future. After 21 years my fuselage
skins are beginning to pull in a tiny bit and what was once a perfectly
faired surface is beginning to look a little puckered in spots. From new, when
I hangered my plane, I use a jack with a one foot by one foot board with a
cushion of hard rubber foam and jack my wing up until the wheel comes off
the ground, then I let the jack down completely and then jack it up about
and inch or so to take the weight off the landing gear so that it doesn't
splay out. Before I flew a Glasair I flew Grumman Tigers that had fiberglass
legs and noticed the landing gear splayed out after a while and hoped to
avoid that. I too mark all bolts and nuts with a line of red paint. When I
saw that on my over hauled engine I thought it was a good idea.
Too bad you are dropping out, I always took your advice.
Chuck Raymond
N16CD Gl2SFT 200HP
In a message dated 6/5/2012 10:47:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mppalmer(at)aol.com writes:
--> Glasair-List message posted by: mppalmer(at)aol.com
I guess I wasn't clear. This was the second time I've re-torqued the
hardware in the life of the plane.
But you're correct - twice in 17 years isn't bad.
The nuts are marked with nail polish. It's not a matter of the nuts
backing out. It's a matter of the fiberglass changing dimension.
It could be the high density foam crushing over time in addition to the
resin shrinking.
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