Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-ce
July 09, 2005 - July 29, 2005
> 3) It's kinder to the grass
> 4) It's a reminiscence of the time Kitfoxes were flown by skinheads? :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
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| From: | Jeff Smathers <jsmathers(at)cybcon.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Windshield Fasteners |
All,
I used a pan head type machine screw and used an o-ring washer beneath
it, so it "nests" into a counter sunk base in the plexiglass. It takes some
practice to get the right depth so the o-ring compresses properly without too
much head to plexiglass tension. Works great so far !!! No leaks and no
cracks.
Jeff Smathers
John King wrote:
>
> Guy,
>
> I prefer to use #6 SS flat head screws with SS Tinnerman washers. I
> countersink the windshield holes to fit the Tinnerman washers. I also
> use #6 self locking nuts, the type that are riveted in place. Just make
> sure you do not secure the screws tightly. I tighten the screws just
> enough to allow the Tinnerman washers to move slightly with side
> pressure. This is necessary to allow for expansion of the plastic
> windshield in extreme temperatures. The screws also allow for easy
> removal. Aluminum rivets require drilling to remove and do not allow
> for temperature expansion. Screws take more work to install, but save
> tons of work later.
>
> --
> John King
> Warrenton, VA
>
> Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> >
> >Hi everybody.
> > What should I use to fasten my windshield/skylight. The manual
> >says aluminum rivet, I assume that's a pop rivet, but it could be a
> >standard rivet as well. Should I fasten it with #6 screws and lock nuts for
> >maintainability? Or is that too heavy and unnecessary? Thanks for the help.
> >
> >
> >Guy Buchanan
> >K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| From: | Jeff Smathers <jsmathers(at)cybcon.com> |
| Subject: | Tires question extended,, |
All,
I have the standard Aero Trainer 6.0 x 6.0 tires and was thinking of
trying to find a 6.0 x 8.0, or in that range....Anyone have a source?
Thanks, Jeff Smathers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Anderson" <janderson412(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Windshield Fasteners |
I used 2.2mm stainless scews and nyliock nuts. Wee bit more weight but being
able to controll the tension on on the screen is a positive to me. Makes it
easy when change tome comes too.
John A. Series 5 Turbo Subaru..
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Windshield Fasteners
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:00:44 -0700
Hi everybody.
What should I use to fasten my windshield/skylight. The manual
says aluminum rivet, I assume that's a pop rivet, but it could be a
standard rivet as well. Should I fasten it with #6 screws and lock nuts for
maintainability? Or is that too heavy and unnecessary? Thanks for the help.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health
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| From: | "flier" <FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? |
Hey Lowell,
What's the skinny on the Motul 5100? I've been using
it now for a while?? I just finished up a case my
last oil change...
Thanks,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
oil?
>
>I suspect that Rotax will have a hard time
recommending another engine
>manufacturers oil, so my "guess" is that the Honda
oil would otherwise be on
>the list. That said, the reason I am using the oil
from the accepted list
>is that an I used to use and previously listedt was
delisted because of the
>the EPA mandated formula change on that brand of oil
(Motul 5100). I began
>using an oil formulated and sold by California Power
Systems (a Rotax
>distributor). Eric said they were planning on
testing that oil for the
>foaming problem - nothing yet. I have discontinued
using that oil.
>
>Keep in mind that the reason for the new dipstick
was at least in part to
>compensate for the foaming issue. Rotax has
published a number of bulletins
>regarding the problems of air in the oil system and
this is an area where
>caution is appropriate as it seems to me that the
vibration issues with our
>engines - spinning a prop - is a bit different than
a motorcycle, spinning
>a chain. I'm usually a bit skeptical of
manufacturers claims if it has to
>do with recommending their own products etc. but
Eric spent a bit of time on
>this issue last year at OSH and it got me a little
concerned.
>
>Lowell
>
>Lowell
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net>
>To:
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
oil?
>
>
Roger McConnell"
>>
>>
>> Paul,
>> I too am getting ready to fire up my engine
in the next few days. I
>> agree with John on the Honda oil. I called
Lockwood and asked them about
>> using the Honda oil and there comment was 'If it's
good enough for Honda
>> engines its good enough for Rotax'. The oil is a
full synthetic with gear
>> additives. As for coolant I'm using Dexcool and
distilled water 50/50.
>> Roger Mac
>> N619RM ready to taxi
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
Behalf Of jdmcbean
>> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant
and oil?
>>
>>
>> Paul,
>> I'm sure you'll get varying comments.
Usually it's a good idea to
>> follow
>> the Engine manufactures recommendation. OK I've
said it.... I follow the
>> previous recommendation.. 50/50 mix. Use a
extended life Antifreeze that
>> is
>> Silicate Free and I use distilled water.
>>
>> As for oil... Myself and several others have had
great success with Honda
>> Pro GN4. You can get it from the local Honda
shop, it has the gear
>> additive
>> for the gear box.. Designed for high rpm engines.
>>
>> I run 100LL on the 912S and add the TCP that I
sell religiously. I also
>> change the oil every 25-30 hours. The results say
you could probably go
>> longer but I have always felt that the oil is the
life blood of the engine
>> and therefore I change it regularly. Because of
the lead in the fuel I do
>> pull the tank and clean it as well... "get the
lead out"
>>
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>> John & Debra McBean
>> www.sportplanellc.com
>> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On
Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
>> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
oil?
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I'm getting ready to run my 912ul on my model IV,
so I went and read all
>> of
>> that (very confusing) stuff on the www.rotax-
owners.com site for the
>> latest
>> and greatest on coolants and oils, plus I searched
the kitfox list for
>> info.
>> But I haven't found anything real current. And
seeing how this stuff
>> seems
>> to be continually changing, I thought I had better
ask all of you before
>> putting the wrong stuff in my engine.
>>
>> So, my questions are;
>>
>> - Has there been any updated information on
coolant requirements?
>>
>> - Is Evans Waterless coolant still the way to go?
>>
>> - How much coolant will I need to buy for my 912ul
Model IV (no heater
>> core)
>>
>> - Is it ok to use standard coolant in the 912
yet? (I tend to go places
>> that are pretty far off the beaten path. At times
regular coolant can be
>> hard enough to find, much less Waterless EVANs NPG)
>>
>> - What is the best oil to run?
>>
>> - And last but not least, I heard I have to bleed
the oil and coolant
>> systems of trapped air prior to starting the
engine. Is this true? And
>> how
>> does one do it if it is?
>>
>> Suggestions? Ideas? Advice?
>>
>> Paul Seehafer
>> Central Wisconsin
>> Model IV-1200 912ul on Aerocet Amphibs
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? |
It was previously on the recommended list. Last year at the Rotax forum at
Oshkosh, Eric Tucker said the new revision of the recommended list was due
to the EPA ruling that certain antifoaming additives were no longer allowed.
He did mention Motul 5100 by name and apparently the testing Rotax does
showed that it no longer met it's foamilg limits. This is my understanding.
All of the oils in the new list have been tested by Rotax to meet it's
specifications. This is not to imply that other oils do not as I doubt they
have tested them all. But, the report was that the oils they recommend have
been tested in house, rather than merely looking at the refiners specs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "flier" <FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and oil?
>
> Hey Lowell,
>
> What's the skinny on the Motul 5100? I've been using
> it now for a while?? I just finished up a case my
> last oil change...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ted
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
> oil?
>
>
>>
>>I suspect that Rotax will have a hard time
> recommending another engine
>>manufacturers oil, so my "guess" is that the Honda
> oil would otherwise be on
>>the list. That said, the reason I am using the oil
> from the accepted list
>>is that an I used to use and previously listedt was
> delisted because of the
>>the EPA mandated formula change on that brand of oil
> (Motul 5100). I began
>>using an oil formulated and sold by California Power
> Systems (a Rotax
>>distributor). Eric said they were planning on
> testing that oil for the
>>foaming problem - nothing yet. I have discontinued
> using that oil.
>>
>>Keep in mind that the reason for the new dipstick
> was at least in part to
>>compensate for the foaming issue. Rotax has
> published a number of bulletins
>>regarding the problems of air in the oil system and
> this is an area where
>>caution is appropriate as it seems to me that the
> vibration issues with our
>>engines - spinning a prop - is a bit different than
> a motorcycle, spinning
>>a chain. I'm usually a bit skeptical of
> manufacturers claims if it has to
>>do with recommending their own products etc. but
> Eric spent a bit of time on
>>this issue last year at OSH and it got me a little
> concerned.
>>
>>Lowell
>>
>>Lowell
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net>
>>To:
>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
> oil?
>>
>>
> Roger McConnell"
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>> I too am getting ready to fire up my engine
> in the next few days. I
>>> agree with John on the Honda oil. I called
> Lockwood and asked them about
>>> using the Honda oil and there comment was 'If it's
> good enough for Honda
>>> engines its good enough for Rotax'. The oil is a
> full synthetic with gear
>>> additives. As for coolant I'm using Dexcool and
> distilled water 50/50.
>>> Roger Mac
>>> N619RM ready to taxi
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of jdmcbean
>>> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant
> and oil?
>>>
>
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>> I'm sure you'll get varying comments.
> Usually it's a good idea to
>>> follow
>>> the Engine manufactures recommendation. OK I've
> said it.... I follow the
>>> previous recommendation.. 50/50 mix. Use a
> extended life Antifreeze that
>>> is
>>> Silicate Free and I use distilled water.
>>>
>>> As for oil... Myself and several others have had
> great success with Honda
>>> Pro GN4. You can get it from the local Honda
> shop, it has the gear
>>> additive
>>> for the gear box.. Designed for high rpm engines.
>>>
>>> I run 100LL on the 912S and add the TCP that I
> sell religiously. I also
>>> change the oil every 25-30 hours. The results say
> you could probably go
>>> longer but I have always felt that the oil is the
> life blood of the engine
>>> and therefore I change it regularly. Because of
> the lead in the fuel I do
>>> pull the tank and clean it as well... "get the
> lead out"
>>>
>>>
>>> Fly Safe !!
>>> John & Debra McBean
>>> www.sportplanellc.com
>>> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
>>> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
> oil?
>>>
>
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I'm getting ready to run my 912ul on my model IV,
> so I went and read all
>>> of
>>> that (very confusing) stuff on the www.rotax-
> owners.com site for the
>>> latest
>>> and greatest on coolants and oils, plus I searched
> the kitfox list for
>>> info.
>>> But I haven't found anything real current. And
> seeing how this stuff
>>> seems
>>> to be continually changing, I thought I had better
> ask all of you before
>>> putting the wrong stuff in my engine.
>>>
>>> So, my questions are;
>>>
>>> - Has there been any updated information on
> coolant requirements?
>>>
>>> - Is Evans Waterless coolant still the way to go?
>>>
>>> - How much coolant will I need to buy for my 912ul
> Model IV (no heater
>>> core)
>>>
>>> - Is it ok to use standard coolant in the 912
> yet? (I tend to go places
>>> that are pretty far off the beaten path. At times
> regular coolant can be
>>> hard enough to find, much less Waterless EVANs NPG)
>>>
>>> - What is the best oil to run?
>>>
>>> - And last but not least, I heard I have to bleed
> the oil and coolant
>>> systems of trapped air prior to starting the
> engine. Is this true? And
>>> how
>>> does one do it if it is?
>>>
>>> Suggestions? Ideas? Advice?
>>>
>>> Paul Seehafer
>>> Central Wisconsin
>>> Model IV-1200 912ul on Aerocet Amphibs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| From: | "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Building A grass Strip |
Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to prevent
you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an private
airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved but
it wasn't that hard.
Paul N102DG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
> Jeff,
> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had someone
> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
> registering
> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>
> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
> register
> your strip.
>
> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still interested in
> registering it.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> JJProbasco(at)cs.com
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last fall.
> The
>
> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones - well
> that's another story.
>
> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the air
> space
> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested in
> the
> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with the
> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
> state.
> PA
> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the necessary
> forms/or
> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>
> Jeff
> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>
>
>
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| From: | "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT(at)msn.com> |
Hello,
One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have
matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving
freely, you might have this problem.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes<mailto:msm_9949(at)yahoo.com>
To: Matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 2:07 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
Kitfox list:
I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out.
Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of
turning authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the
right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to
achieve a sluggish left turn.
I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little.
There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared
to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas?
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left.
Scary buy no damage, except to ego.
Marco Menezes
N99KX Model 2 - 582
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
Rick, Since i do not have first hand experience I cannot verfiy that
NSI props are good or bad. But i did a search on Google and found
many many instances of NSI warnings.
Could this be fact or falicy ? Seems to me there has been troubles in
the past with NSI props. Can you dispute that??
I can find more info but the article written by Gary Walsh does infact
seem to be very thorough. Possibly Gary and others have had bad luck?
Or maybe you have had good luck?
Regardless, It seems that everyone should know of "potential Troubles"
as this product and manufacturer has incidents on record of failures.
So you cannot say they have not had issues if in fact some actualy flew
apart.
Perhaps in your wisdom, you could show us other props that have flown
aprt from other manufacturers.
IVO and GSC have a great record that I know of.
Best Regards,
Kirby
Kirby, to put it bluntly; that's crap. You think there has never been
a
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Ultralight, glider... 6, Oct 27, 2004 10:22 PM. Immediate NSI Prop AD,
robert schieck | From: | "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com> |
| Subject: | Latest on 912 coolant and oil? |
Gary,
Does the Mobil 1 Synthetic have the high pressure additives needed for gear
applications? It is these additives that make motorcycle oils appropriate
for the 900 series Rotax engines with gear boxes.
As to oil change procedures I just drain the oil tank and change the filter
and figure that the amount of oil still in the oil cooler, lines, and pump
are negligible and not worth the headaches in draining them. This results
in minimal headaches in getting air out of the lines too. I am pasting my
procedure below. Maybe some one can critique it. It is a synthesis of
comments gleaned from the list.
Oh, I use Honda GN4 oil. Didn't know until this thread that it was
synthetic.
1. "Burp" oil from crankcase to tank by turning prop forward until you heal
impolite sounds from the open oil tank.
2. Fill the new filter with new oil. (This takes a while, but can be done
while doing other things.)
3. Remove and replace old oil filter with new full oil filter. (Somewhat
messy, but not much more than removing old filter.)
4. Drain oil from tank. Replace and re-safety-wire the plug. Put in 3
quarts of oil and check level. Add more as needed.
5. Crank the engine for three 10 second interval with at least 2 minutes
between cranks with out starting engine. This is to get any air out of the
oil line.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gjglh(at)cebridge.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and oil?
Has anyone heard any pros or cons on mobil 1 synthetic. That's what I have
been using for the 400 hrs.
Gary
SPD912LS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <turboflyer(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | C-GOOT Flies Again |
No I don't care to go there. In my wisdom I am sure the only prop failures
that have ever occurred and for that matter crashes in all areas of aviation
are due to NSIs poor quality. Incidents need to be reported for all. It is
the personal attack and lack of impartial investigation and reporting I
object too. AS far as my wisdom goes, I have found the older I get the less
I know. I struggle to remain silent.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
kitfox(at)gto.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: C-GOOT Flies Again
Rick, Since i do not have first hand experience I cannot verfiy that
NSI props are good or bad. But i did a search on Google and found
many many instances of NSI warnings.
Could this be fact or falicy ? Seems to me there has been troubles in
the past with NSI props. Can you dispute that??
I can find more info but the article written by Gary Walsh does infact
seem to be very thorough. Possibly Gary and others have had bad luck?
Or maybe you have had good luck?
Regardless, It seems that everyone should know of "potential Troubles"
as this product and manufacturer has incidents on record of failures.
So you cannot say they have not had issues if in fact some actualy flew
apart.
Perhaps in your wisdom, you could show us other props that have flown
aprt from other manufacturers.
IVO and GSC have a great record that I know of.
Best Regards,
Kirby
Kirby, to put it bluntly; that's crap. You think there has never been
a
failure of a certified prop or hub? >>
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Ultralight, glider... 6, Oct 27, 2004 10:22 PM. Immediate NSI Prop AD,
robert schieck | Date: | Jul 10, 2005 |
| Subject: | C-GOOT Flies Again |
Rick, IT seems thast Mr Wheeler is fully aware of th problems with
this propellor cuff. Surely he is pissed that so much attention was
given and posssibly that is why Gary Walsh has a IVO prop now.
Hopefully there will be no more incidents with NSI props , but with
what i have read today and in the past-- the problem still exists.
Kirby...... wiser and older too :)
http://www.saaa.com/home.php
<<<>>
.... Kitfox-List message posted by: "Rick"
No I don't care to go there. In my wisdom I am sure the only prop
failures
that have ever occurred and for that matter crashes in all areas of
aviation
are due to NSIs poor quality. Incidents need to be reported for all. It
is
the personal attack and lack of impartial investigation and reporting
I
object too. AS far as my wisdom goes, I have found the older I get the
less
I know. I struggle to remain silent.
Rick....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flier" <FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Latest on 912 coolant and oil? |
Thanks for the 411 Lowell. Since the 912 only uses a
couple of qtrs and I change about twice a year I've
had the case for a couple of years. I'll check and
may have to switch over myself.
Regards,
Ted
--- Original Message ---
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
oil?
>
>It was previously on the recommended list. Last
year at the Rotax forum at
>Oshkosh, Eric Tucker said the new revision of the
recommended list was due
>to the EPA ruling that certain antifoaming additives
were no longer allowed.
>He did mention Motul 5100 by name and apparently the
testing Rotax does
>showed that it no longer met it's foamilg limits.
This is my understanding.
>
>All of the oils in the new list have been tested by
Rotax to meet it's
>specifications. This is not to imply that other
oils do not as I doubt they
>have tested them all. But, the report was that the
oils they recommend have
>been tested in house, rather than merely looking at
the refiners specs.
>
>Lowell
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "flier" <FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
oil?
>
>
>>
>> Hey Lowell,
>>
>> What's the skinny on the Motul 5100? I've been
using
>> it now for a while?? I just finished up a case my
>> last oil change...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> --- Original Message ---
>> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
>> oil?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I suspect that Rotax will have a hard time
>> recommending another engine
>>>manufacturers oil, so my "guess" is that the Honda
>> oil would otherwise be on
>>>the list. That said, the reason I am using the oil
>> from the accepted list
>>>is that an I used to use and previously listedt was
>> delisted because of the
>>>the EPA mandated formula change on that brand of
oil
>> (Motul 5100). I began
>>>using an oil formulated and sold by California
Power
>> Systems (a Rotax
>>>distributor). Eric said they were planning on
>> testing that oil for the
>>>foaming problem - nothing yet. I have discontinued
>> using that oil.
>>>
>>>Keep in mind that the reason for the new dipstick
>> was at least in part to
>>>compensate for the foaming issue. Rotax has
>> published a number of bulletins
>>>regarding the problems of air in the oil system and
>> this is an area where
>>>caution is appropriate as it seems to me that the
>> vibration issues with our
>>>engines - spinning a prop - is a bit different
than
>> a motorcycle, spinning
>>>a chain. I'm usually a bit skeptical of
>> manufacturers claims if it has to
>>>do with recommending their own products etc. but
>> Eric spent a bit of time on
>>>this issue last year at OSH and it got me a little
>> concerned.
>>>
>>>Lowell
>>>
>>>Lowell
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell"
>>>To:
>>>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
>> oil?
>>>
>>>
>> Roger McConnell"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul,
>>>> I too am getting ready to fire up my
engine
>> in the next few days. I
>>>> agree with John on the Honda oil. I called
>> Lockwood and asked them about
>>>> using the Honda oil and there comment was 'If
it's
>> good enough for Honda
>>>> engines its good enough for Rotax'. The oil is a
>> full synthetic with gear
>>>> additives. As for coolant I'm using Dexcool and
>> distilled water 50/50.
>>>> Roger Mac
>>>> N619RM ready to taxi
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On
>> Behalf Of jdmcbean
>>>> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant
>> and oil?
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul,
>>>> I'm sure you'll get varying comments.
>> Usually it's a good idea to
>>>> follow
>>>> the Engine manufactures recommendation. OK I've
>> said it.... I follow the
>>>> previous recommendation.. 50/50 mix. Use a
>> extended life Antifreeze that
>>>> is
>>>> Silicate Free and I use distilled water.
>>>>
>>>> As for oil... Myself and several others have had
>> great success with Honda
>>>> Pro GN4. You can get it from the local Honda
>> shop, it has the gear
>>>> additive
>>>> for the gear box.. Designed for high rpm engines.
>>>>
>>>> I run 100LL on the 912S and add the TCP that I
>> sell religiously. I also
>>>> change the oil every 25-30 hours. The results
say
>> you could probably go
>>>> longer but I have always felt that the oil is the
>> life blood of the engine
>>>> and therefore I change it regularly. Because of
>> the lead in the fuel I do
>>>> pull the tank and clean it as well... "get the
>> lead out"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fly Safe !!
>>>> John & Debra McBean
>>>> www.sportplanellc.com
>>>> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On
>> Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
>>>> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Latest on 912 coolant and
>> oil?
>>>>
Seehafer"
>>
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting ready to run my 912ul on my model IV,
>> so I went and read all
>>>> of
>>>> that (very confusing) stuff on the www.rotax-
>> owners.com site for the
>>>> latest
>>>> and greatest on coolants and oils, plus I
searched
>> the kitfox list for
>>>> info.
>>>> But I haven't found anything real current. And
>> seeing how this stuff
>>>> seems
>>>> to be continually changing, I thought I had
better
>> ask all of you before
>>>> putting the wrong stuff in my engine.
>>>>
>>>> So, my questions are;
>>>>
>>>> - Has there been any updated information on
>> coolant requirements?
>>>>
>>>> - Is Evans Waterless coolant still the way to go?
>>>>
>>>> - How much coolant will I need to buy for my
912ul
>> Model IV (no heater
>>>> core)
>>>>
>>>> - Is it ok to use standard coolant in the 912
>> yet? (I tend to go places
>>>> that are pretty far off the beaten path. At
times
>> regular coolant can be
>>>> hard enough to find, much less Waterless EVANs
NPG)
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>>>> - What is the best oil to run?
>>>>
>>>> - And last but not least, I heard I have to bleed
>> the oil and coolant
>>>> systems of trapped air prior to starting the
>> engine. Is this true? And
>>>> how
>>>> does one do it if it is?
>>>>
>>>> Suggestions? Ideas? Advice?
>>>>
>>>> Paul Seehafer
>>>> Central Wisconsin
>>>> Model IV-1200 912ul on Aerocet Amphibs
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| From: | Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com> |
As a matter of fact, Ray, another of the minor problems noted in taxi tests was
weakness in the left brake. I also have Matco brakes and have tried bleeding
the left cylinder repeatedly to no avail. It still feels "mushy" and leaks fluid
around the brake shaft where it enters the cylinder. I'm ordering a rebuild
kit.
I don't understand how this can affect ability to turn. Can you explain?
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 - N99KX
RAY Gignac wrote:
Hello,
One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have
matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving
freely, you might have this problem.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
Kitfox list:
I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out.
Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of turning
authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the
right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to achieve
a sluggish left turn.
I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little.
There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared
to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas?
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left. Scary
buy no damage, except to ego.
Marco Menezes
N99KX Model 2 - 582
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dee Young" <henrysfork1(at)msn.com> |
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left. Scary
buy no damage, except to ego.
I must have missed something here. Why would anyone advise against high speed taxi
tests?
Dee Young
KF II N345DY
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT(at)msn.com> |
Well, if you apply brake to assist you in turning, and the brake is mush then turning
won't be as tight. I may have misunderstood you on your problem! but when
the brake is applied it should turn on the dime.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes<mailto:msm_9949(at)yahoo.com>
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
As a matter of fact, Ray, another of the minor problems noted in taxi tests was
weakness in the left brake. I also have Matco brakes and have tried bleeding
the left cylinder repeatedly to no avail. It still feels "mushy" and leaks fluid
around the brake shaft where it enters the cylinder. I'm ordering a rebuild
kit.
I don't understand how this can affect ability to turn. Can you explain?
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 - N99KX
RAY Gignac > wrote:
Hello,
One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have
matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving
freely, you might have this problem.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: Matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
Kitfox list:
I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out.
Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of
turning authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the
right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to
achieve a sluggish left turn.
I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little.
There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared
to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas?
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left.
Scary buy no damage, except to ego.
Marco Menezes
N99KX Model 2 - 582
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT(at)msn.com> |
I have done the so called high speed taxi myself, no problems. It's the same as
full throttle take off or the landing. Keep directional control and you go
down center line!
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Dee Young<mailto:henrysfork1(at)msn.com>
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left.
Scary buy no damage, except to ego.
I must have missed something here. Why would anyone advise against high speed
taxi tests?
Dee Young
KF II N345DY
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "RAY Gignac" <KITFOXPILOT(at)msn.com> |
I have the same problem with my matco brakes! pilot side is nice and turns on
the dime, the passenger side is another question! not as tight and some fluid
always seems to seep from the threads on the bleeder valve. I will buy a rebuild
kit at Oshkosh if matco has them at the sale tent.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes<mailto:msm_9949(at)yahoo.com>
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
As a matter of fact, Ray, another of the minor problems noted in taxi tests was
weakness in the left brake. I also have Matco brakes and have tried bleeding
the left cylinder repeatedly to no avail. It still feels "mushy" and leaks fluid
around the brake shaft where it enters the cylinder. I'm ordering a rebuild
kit.
I don't understand how this can affect ability to turn. Can you explain?
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 - N99KX
RAY Gignac > wrote:
Hello,
One other thing you might want to check if the problem is still going on! I have
matco brakes, and if the breaks have any air or the guide rails are not moving
freely, you might have this problem.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: Matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Taxi Tests
Kitfox list:
I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that need working out.
Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2) an apparent lack of
turning authority (on the ground) when left rudder is applied. She turns to the
right easily but left turns require what seems inordinate rudder pressure to
achieve a sluggish left turn.
I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to help a little.
There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder authority when compared
to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains are both tight. Any ideas?
Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list who have advised
against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph groundloop to the left.
Scary buy no damage, except to ego.
Marco Menezes
N99KX Model 2 - 582
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
Unfortunately weve lost a veteran air show performer today.. Jimmy Franklin
and Bobby Younkin.. Jim Leroys Bulldog was also involved but was able to
land Apparently Jimmys wing walking son had just finished his routine and
was announcing the performance.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor(at)online.no> |
Here is some more info about it.
http://www.avweb.com/newswire/11_28a/leadnews/190146-1.html
Torgeir.
> From: jdmcbean [jdmcbean(at)cableone.net]
> Sent: 2005-07-11 07:25:43 CEST
> To: Kitfox List [Kitfox-list(at)matronics.com]
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Airshow Midair
>
>
> Unfortunately weve lost a veteran air show performer today.. Jimmy Franklin
> and Bobby Younkin.. Jim Leroys Bulldog was also involved but was able to
> land Apparently Jimmys wing walking son had just finished his routine and
> was announcing the performance.
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Marco, a few things on taxing......
Brakes should have no part of your yaw control excepet when turning or
braking. You should be able to steer your plane with rudder authority
alone during taxing.
High speed taxing is what you will work into but not at day 1 of
taxing.
Remember if you cannot high speed taxi, most likely you are you ready
to transition from high speed taxi (take off run ) to Flight and
visa versa.
If you are a new pilot or taildragger newbie, please listen and get
some dual time with a qualified instructor.
Hope this helps and Good Luck,
Kirby
btw i have matco brakes and have no trouble at all.
<<<<<> I did my taxi testing today and identified a few glitches that
need working out. Most significant are: 1) My legs are too short and 2)
an apparent lack of turning authority (on the ground) when left rudder
is applied. She turns to the right easily but left turns require what
seems inordinate rudder pressure to achieve a sluggish left turn.
>
> I tried tightening the tension on left rudder cable which seemed to
help a little. There's still a noticable discrepancy in left rudder
authority when compared to right, however. Tailwheel springs and chains
are both tight. Any ideas?
>
> Also, I deliberately ignored the wise counsel of those on the list
who have advised against high speed taxi runs. Result? A 20 mph
groundloop to the left. Scary buy no damage, except to ego.
>
> Marco Menezes
> N99KX Model 2 - 582>>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fox5flyer" <morid(at)northland.lib.mi.us> |
| Subject: | Re: Airshow Midair |
How awful. I met both of them last year at Oshkosh and was very impressed.
Terrible loss.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Airshow Midair
>
> Unfortunately weve lost a veteran air show performer today.. Jimmy
Franklin
> and Bobby Younkin.. Jim Leroys Bulldog was also involved but was able to
> land Apparently Jimmys wing walking son had just finished his routine and
> was announcing the performance.
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michel Verheughe <michel(at)online.no> |
| Subject: | Fuel level sensor |
Hello guys,
Saturday I flew in the mountains with my son. On our way home, I noticed the low
fuel warning light on. I became very worried because the mountains offer very
little landing places. So I untied, turned myself, opened the canvas behind
the seats and looked at the header tank where the low fuel sensor is attached.
There was plenty fuel in the wings and ... also in the header tank. False alert.
Yesterday, I went for a short flight, the light was still on. I remember that,
on my flight to Belgium, it came on once or twice, just after take-off. But it
went off after a couple of minutes. This time it stays on on the time.
The sensor must be defect. I'll empty the wing tanks and header for fuel and remove
the sensor. But - to be prepared - does anyone know how they work and what
to expect?
Remember I didn't build the plane. The sensor is screwed in the header tank sideways
and shorten to earth when no fuel is sensed. Is that a standard Kitfox equipment
of something fancy the builder has added?
On the panel, the light is next to the oil level light. I like to have them there.
With the Jabiru, the oil light is connected to the oil pressure sensor. The
low fuel sensor in the header tank is also nice because, once on, I should still
have about 20 minutes of fuel at low speed.
Any advice before unscrewing would be very welcomed.
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <turboflyer(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Fuel level sensor |
First I would make sure no light is getting to it. You will get false alert.
Black tape or the aluminum stuff will eliminate that. If you do get a low
fuel light immediately very that against the fuel level tubes if you have
them , if not look at the vent line it will either be empty or be full of
air bubbles....time to find a soft spot to land. Don't ask how I know this.
You can also get a low fuel light on long descents and that could be low
fuel and the fuel feed hole coming uncovered. That scenario you just level
off and refill the header and do a more nose up descent. I went with a
larger aluminum header tank about 3 gallon. Just a little more peace of
mind. Hope that helps.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel level sensor
Hello guys,
Saturday I flew in the mountains with my son. On our way home, I noticed the
low fuel warning light on. I became very worried because the mountains offer
very little landing places. So I untied, turned myself, opened the canvas
behind the seats and looked at the header tank where the low fuel sensor is
attached. There was plenty fuel in the wings and ... also in the header
tank. False alert.
Yesterday, I went for a short flight, the light was still on. I remember
that, on my flight to Belgium, it came on once or twice, just after
take-off. But it went off after a couple of minutes. This time it stays on
on the time.
The sensor must be defect. I'll empty the wing tanks and header for fuel and
remove the sensor. But - to be prepared - does anyone know how they work and
what to expect?
Remember I didn't build the plane. The sensor is screwed in the header tank
sideways and shorten to earth when no fuel is sensed. Is that a standard
Kitfox equipment of something fancy the builder has added?
On the panel, the light is next to the oil level light. I like to have them
there. With the Jabiru, the oil light is connected to the oil pressure
sensor. The low fuel sensor in the header tank is also nice because, once
on, I should still have about 20 minutes of fuel at low speed.
Any advice before unscrewing would be very welcomed.
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel level sensor |
Hi Michel.
Do you have an optical or float-type sensor? If your header tank is opaque, it's
probably optical. If not, the sensor is just a lever type switch designed to
"float" in gasoline. The switch is normally open. When gas in header drops below
a certain point, the lever drops closing the circuit and illuminating indicator
light on panel.
I don't know anything about the opticals but with float type, if indicator light
is off, then comes on with header being full, there is probably a short circuit
somewhere in the line from the switch to the light.
Hope this helps.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 - 582 N99KX
(Taxiing slow for awhile).
Michel Verheughe wrote:
Hello guys,
Saturday I flew in the mountains with my son. On our way home, I noticed the low
fuel warning light on. I became very worried because the mountains offer very
little landing places. So I untied, turned myself, opened the canvas behind
the seats and looked at the header tank where the low fuel sensor is attached.
There was plenty fuel in the wings and ... also in the header tank. False alert.
Yesterday, I went for a short flight, the light was still on. I remember that,
on my flight to Belgium, it came on once or twice, just after take-off. But it
went off after a couple of minutes. This time it stays on on the time.
The sensor must be defect. I'll empty the wing tanks and header for fuel and remove
the sensor. But - to be prepared - does anyone know how they work and what
to expect?
Remember I didn't build the plane. The sensor is screwed in the header tank sideways
and shorten to earth when no fuel is sensed. Is that a standard Kitfox equipment
of something fancy the builder has added?
On the panel, the light is next to the oil level light. I like to have them there.
With the Jabiru, the oil light is connected to the oil pressure sensor. The
low fuel sensor in the header tank is also nice because, once on, I should still
have about 20 minutes of fuel at low speed.
Any advice before unscrewing would be very welcomed.
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Windshield Fasteners |
| From: | Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net> |
I used #10 nutplates, fastened with solid, countersunk rivets to hold
them on. This way, I can selectively tighten the truss-head machine
screws for the proper "slippage". I used #10's because the head is
slightly larger, giving me more area in contact with the
winshield/skylight.
Lynn
On Saturday, July 9, 2005, at 03:00 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> Hi everybody.
> What should I use to fasten my windshield/skylight. The manual
> says aluminum rivet, I assume that's a pop rivet, but it could be a
> standard rivet as well. Should I fasten it with #6 screws and lock
> nuts for
> maintainability? Or is that too heavy and unnecessary? Thanks for the
> help.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Zakreski <szakreski(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Fuel level sensor |
Michel
If your sensor is an optical sensor, about an 25mm diameter, with a very
small light inside of it (hard to see) then it is similar to mine which I
purchased from Skystar. It is possible that sunlight was reaching it and
triggering it. Try wrapping the expose portions of the sensor, the entire
sensor not just the threaded shaft, with electrical tape.
Also, I mounted mine in the lower hole of the header leaving about 25mm of
space on top for the odd air bubble.
Once I made these two changes, I have never had a false alarm.
SteveZ
Calgary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel level sensor
Hello guys,
Saturday I flew in the mountains with my son. On our way home, I noticed the
low fuel warning light on. I became very worried because the mountains offer
very little landing places. So I untied, turned myself, opened the canvas
behind the seats and looked at the header tank where the low fuel sensor is
attached. There was plenty fuel in the wings and ... also in the header
tank. False alert.
Yesterday, I went for a short flight, the light was still on. I remember
that, on my flight to Belgium, it came on once or twice, just after
take-off. But it went off after a couple of minutes. This time it stays on
on the time.
The sensor must be defect. I'll empty the wing tanks and header for fuel and
remove the sensor. But - to be prepared - does anyone know how they work and
what to expect?
Remember I didn't build the plane. The sensor is screwed in the header tank
sideways and shorten to earth when no fuel is sensed. Is that a standard
Kitfox equipment of something fancy the builder has added?
On the panel, the light is next to the oil level light. I like to have them
there. With the Jabiru, the oil light is connected to the oil pressure
sensor. The low fuel sensor in the header tank is also nice because, once
on, I should still have about 20 minutes of fuel at low speed.
Any advice before unscrewing would be very welcomed.
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Airshow Midair |
| From: | Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor(at)online.no> |
Deke,
Isnt Jimmy Franklin the one who made the "Kitfox speedster" aerobatics
show??
With respect
Torgeir.
wrote:
>
>
> How awful. I met both of them last year at Oshkosh and was very
> impressed.
> Terrible loss.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net>
> To: "Kitfox List"
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Airshow Midair
>
>
>>
>> Unfortunately weve lost a veteran air show performer today.. Jimmy
> Franklin
>> and Bobby Younkin.. Jim Leroys Bulldog was also involved but was able to
>> land Apparently Jimmys wing walking son had just finished his routine
>> and
>> was announcing the performance.
>>
>> Fly Safe !!
>> John & Debra McBean
>> www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
>> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>>
>>
>
>
--
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airshow Midair |
Yes. Jeff Classic IV
> [Original Message]
> From: Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor(at)online.no>
> To:
> Date: 7/11/2005 1:45:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Airshow Midair
>
>
> Deke,
>
> Isnt Jimmy Franklin the one who made the "Kitfox speedster" aerobatics
> show??
>
> With respect
>
> Torgeir.
>
>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > How awful. I met both of them last year at Oshkosh and was very
> > impressed.
> > Terrible loss.
> > Deke
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net>
> > To: "Kitfox List"
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Airshow Midair
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Unfortunately weve lost a veteran air show performer today.. Jimmy
> > Franklin
> >> and Bobby Younkin.. Jim Leroys Bulldog was also involved but was able
to
> >> land Apparently Jimmys wing walking son had just finished his routine
> >> and
> >> was announcing the performance.
> >>
> >> Fly Safe !!
> >> John & Debra McBean
> >> www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
> >> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michel Verheughe <michel(at)online.no> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel level sensor |
Thank you, Rick, Marco and Steve.
Rick, yes it may appear that the light comes on when the sun shines under a
certain angle, through the glareshield. This was not the case.
My vent line is black rubber and not transparent, I can't see if there are
bubbles in it.
Marco, I don't know if I have an optical or float-type, I haven't opened it
yet. But thanks to you guys, I know now that there are two types.
From what you say, it will probably be the float-type because the header tank
is in transparent thermoplastic.
In fact, when I remove the fabric behind the seats, I can see the level in the
tank easily. Well, not easily because usually it is entirely full and I can't
notice the top of the liquid. But during this very hot summer, I have noticed
that, sometimes, there is gas (although I use AVGAS) on the top of the tank.
The two inlets and the vent line are about an inch below the top and it won't
vent out. But the sensor is below that and should stay immersed.
This is how I could see, when I flew home, that I still had fuel in the header
tank and that it was safe to continue to our destination.
I expect that the optical sensor has no moving parts. But the float one,
obviously has. Probably something is wrong with the float. I will check that
out as soon as I empty the wing tanks and can unscrew the sensor. Flying
without a low fuel sensor is not a big deal but having it sure makes me feel
better! :-)
Thanks again for your advice.
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fuel level sensor |
| From: | Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor(at)online.no> |
Hi Michel,
Come to think about a little difference between the two systems, the float
type has only two wires (normally) and the "opto type" has three wires.
Hmm., correct me if I'm wrong.
Torgeir.
wrote:
>
> Thank you, Rick, Marco and Steve.
>
> Rick, yes it may appear that the light comes on when the sun shines
> under a
> certain angle, through the glareshield. This was not the case.
> My vent line is black rubber and not transparent, I can't see if there
> are
> bubbles in it.
>
> Marco, I don't know if I have an optical or float-type, I haven't opened
> it
> yet. But thanks to you guys, I know now that there are two types.
> From what you say, it will probably be the float-type because the header
> tank
> is in transparent thermoplastic.
> In fact, when I remove the fabric behind the seats, I can see the level
> in the
> tank easily. Well, not easily because usually it is entirely full and I
> can't
> notice the top of the liquid. But during this very hot summer, I have
> noticed
> that, sometimes, there is gas (although I use AVGAS) on the top of the
> tank.
> The two inlets and the vent line are about an inch below the top and it
> won't
> vent out. But the sensor is below that and should stay immersed.
> This is how I could see, when I flew home, that I still had fuel in the
> header
> tank and that it was safe to continue to our destination.
>
> I expect that the optical sensor has no moving parts. But the float one,
> obviously has. Probably something is wrong with the float. I will check
> that
> out as soon as I empty the wing tanks and can unscrew the sensor. Flying
> without a low fuel sensor is not a big deal but having it sure makes me
> feel
> better! :-)
>
> Thanks again for your advice.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
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| Subject: | 912s Black plugs |
I have 22 hrs. on my 912 runnig a little better now but runs cool on the EGT
and the plugs are black which means too much gas. I have my needle valve at
1/12 turns. my question is do I turn my needle valve in or put in different
jets?
Jon Modle IV.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michel Verheughe <michel(at)online.no> |
| Subject: | Fuel level sensor |
> From: Torgeir Mortensen [torgemor(at)online.no]
> Come to think about a little difference between the two systems, the float
> type has only two wires (normally) and the "opto type" has three wires.
This is exactly what I was thinking yesterday, when I read the answers on the list,
Torgeir! My sensor has only two wires, one going to the earth and the other,
to the light. Therefore it must be a simple switch that earth the low-fuel
light on the panel. And, as you say, an optical device would need three lines,
earth, 12V and the sensor line that goes to the light.
I'll know more soon! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <turboflyer(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | 912s Black plugs |
It is my understanding that the needle adjustment will change the range in
which the fuel is delivered. The jet will effect the entire range. Kind of
hard to do a full power run and cut clean and check the plugs in the air so
I will leave the final answer to someone who has been there done that on a
912. Good luck.
Rick N656T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Kaufjm(at)aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: 912s Black plugs
I have 22 hrs. on my 912 runnig a little better now but runs cool on the EGT
and the plugs are black which means too much gas. I have my needle valve at
1/12 turns. my question is do I turn my needle valve in or put in different
jets?
Jon Modle IV.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kerrjohna(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: 912s Black plugs |
if you are adjusting the needle screw, primarily idle is all tha is affected. consider
changing you jets and/or needle clip that is separate from the screw.
you can obtain a manual and jets from Bing International. the jet controls primarily
top end. the needle/clip control primarily mid range. the term primarily
is offered because all three parts of the carburator are somewhat in use at
higher rpms.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
>
> I have 22 hrs. on my 912 runnig a little better now but runs cool on the EGT
> and the plugs are black which means too much gas. I have my needle valve at
> 1/12 turns. my question is do I turn my needle valve in or put in different
> jets?
> Jon Modle IV.
>
>
>
>
>
>
if you are adjusting the needle screw, primarily idle is all tha is affected. consider
changing you jets and/or needle clip that is separate from the screw.
you can obtain a manual and jets from Bing International. the jet controls primarily
top end. the needle/clip control primarily mid range. the term primarily
is offered because all three parts of the carburator are somewhat in use at
higher rpms.
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: Kaufjm(at)aol.com
I have 22 hrs. on my 912 runnig a little better now but runs cool on the EGT
and the plugs are black which means too much gas. I have my needle valve at
1/12 turns. my question is do I turn my needle valve in or put in different
jets?
Jon Modle IV.
================================================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fred Shiple <fredshiple(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 912s Black plugs |
you might try Lockwood Aviation's support. they've been very helpful in guiding
me thru some carburetor problems. phone number is on their net site.
Fred
I have 22 hrs. on my 912 runnig a little better now but runs cool on the EGT
and the plugs are black which means too much gas. I have my needle valve at
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fred Shiple <fredshiple(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
Gary,
Glad to hear you're back in the air.
About 6 months ago the people at Prop-Link told me they were not proceeding with
a beta mode (I'd planned to use it as I got my S6 on floats) as they were unhappy
with the loads the prop/hub experienced as it transitioned into beta. I
don't think that's come up relative to CAP failures. Perhaps the engineers on
the list can comment on this as a failure mode applicable to the CAP.
Please let us know about your performance as soon as you're back on floats
Fred
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fox5flyer" <morid(at)northland.lib.mi.us> |
| Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
22 pounds.
Deke
>Anyone know the full up weight of the NSI CAP 140?
> Gary Walsh
> C-GOOT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com> |
| Subject: | Building A grass Strip |
Paul,
Thanks for your reply. That is the main issue that I see that favors
registration. I hadn't mentioned it because I was wanting to leave the
subject open to see what surfaced.
Again thanks for you comment and I will toss out an invitation to come and
visit and see the area here. Lots of great things to see. Mount Rushmore.
Crazy Horse. Devil's Tower. The Badlands. More...
Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Peerenboom
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to prevent
you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an private
airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved but
it wasn't that hard.
Paul N102DG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
> Jeff,
> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had someone
> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
> registering
> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>
> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
> register
> your strip.
>
> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still interested in
> registering it.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> JJProbasco(at)cs.com
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last fall.
> The
>
> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones - well
> that's another story.
>
> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the air
> space
> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested in
> the
> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with the
> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
> state.
> PA
> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the necessary
> forms/or
> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>
> Jeff
> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us> |
| Subject: | Building A grass Strip |
Have some knowledge of the subject...built a grass strip in Alabama...
The regs vary state to state, so your mileage may vary...but this is how
it is in Alabama.
They have 3 classes of airport..."personal"-(just me...),
"private"-(just me and who I invite...), and "public"-(me, and anyone
who wants to...)
In Alabama, "personal" airports don't require any registration with the
state...(i.e. it will only be my life in jeopardy by a "sub-standard"
airport facility ;-) whereas "private" and "public" require
registration and inspection by the state board of transportation...
Now here comes the rub...the comment about your neighbors not wanting an
"airport" in the neighborhood is a very good one...and registration
might protect you down the road...but in Alabama, to GET registered
requires the state department of transportation guy to basically go
around to all of your neighbors and ask them if they mind if you have an
airport on your property!!! They then have you under their thumb, and
the state guy actually told me that usually what happened was a sort of
blackmail where you got to "compensate" them for their "loss of property
value" due to living next to an airport ;-) (Would have possibly led to
neighbor on neighbor violence ;-)
When I asked the state transportation guy if I needed to tell all my
flying buddies to stay out cause I was a "personal use" airport...he
laughed and told me that they didn't have an "airport-use enforcement
division" and try not to be totally obvious ;-) (i.e. don't host a EAA
regional flyin, etc...)
Thanks to the super-quiet nature of the 912 engine, almost none of my
neighbors even know I fly out of the backyard... ;-) and the one's that
do think it is cool and have been given rides...and always wave when I
fly over. (I do try to avoid direct overflights and simple courtesy
goes a long way...i.e. no 6:00 am departures...etc.)
Jeremy Casey
http://www.kilocharlie.us/images/briarpatch_large.jpg
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Daughenbaugh [mailto:rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com]
Subject: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
Paul,
Thanks for your reply. That is the main issue that I see that favors
registration. I hadn't mentioned it because I was wanting to leave the
subject open to see what surfaced.
Again thanks for you comment and I will toss out an invitation to come
and
visit and see the area here. Lots of great things to see. Mount
Rushmore.
Crazy Horse. Devil's Tower. The Badlands. More...
Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Peerenboom
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to
prevent
you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an
private
airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved
but
it wasn't that hard.
Paul N102DG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
> Jeff,
> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had
someone
> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
> registering
> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>
> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
> register
> your strip.
>
> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still
interested in
> registering it.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> JJProbasco(at)cs.com
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last
fall.
> The
>
> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones -
well
> that's another story.
>
> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the
air
> space
> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested
in
> the
> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with
the
> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
> state.
> PA
> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the
necessary
> forms/or
> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>
> Jeff
> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Howard Firm" <pianome2(at)mchsi.com> |
Due to a bad and getting worse financial situation, My wife and I decided
that we need to sell our Fox. This has been a tough decision to make, but it
comes down to the last thing I own that is worth anything...I just need to
bail myself out and start over.
I wanted to offer it here first, but I will be soon listing it on
barnstormers, then Ebay as a last resort.
Here is what I have;
Kitfox model 5 with a NSI Turbo & Warp Drive with CAP
New vacuum pump
Grove gear & tailspring
LP windshield, bubble doors with airvents
cabin heater, duel fan
New Apollo SL40 VHF Comm
New Garmin GTX 320A Transponder professionally wired and installed
RC Allen IFR Gyro's
Here are two pictures;
http://home.mchsi.com/~pianome2/leftside.jpg
http://home.mchsi.com/~pianome2/panel4.jpg
The engine is currently off of the plane. It is ready to be shipped to NSI
for a complete overhaul and the cost is included in the price.
Asking $34,500
I can answer any questions you may have, also I can supply any pictures you
may want.
E-mail me or call me at (218) 749-4659 most evenings I'm home.
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mark Anliker <manliker(at)uiuc.edu> |
| Subject: | Polyfiber Polytone Paint for sale |
One gallon each of Bahama Blue and Pontiac Red. Just rec'd. Changed paint
scheme. For sale in/near Illinois (can't ship via UPS). $50/gallon.
Mark Anliker
Sadorus, IL
217-898-4766
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Building A grass Strip |
Randy,
I hope that invite extends to all. Last year we flew past your area on our
way to Osh. We saw Devil'a Tower, but missed Mt. Rushmore both dorections.
I hope to make the trip again sometime - not this year, though.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com>
Subject: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
> Paul,
> Thanks for your reply. That is the main issue that I see that favors
> registration. I hadn't mentioned it because I was wanting to leave the
> subject open to see what surfaced.
>
> Again thanks for you comment and I will toss out an invitation to come and
> visit and see the area here. Lots of great things to see. Mount
> Rushmore.
> Crazy Horse. Devil's Tower. The Badlands. More...
>
>
> Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Peerenboom
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
>
> Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to
> prevent
> you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an
> private
>
> airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved but
> it wasn't that hard.
>
> Paul N102DG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
>>
>>
>> Jeff,
>> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had someone
>> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
>> registering
>> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>>
>> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
>> register
>> your strip.
>>
>> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still interested
>> in
>> registering it.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> JJProbasco(at)cs.com
>> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>>
>>
>> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last fall.
>> The
>>
>> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones - well
>> that's another story.
>>
>> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the air
>> space
>> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested in
>> the
>> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with
>> the
>> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
>> state.
>> PA
>> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the necessary
>> forms/or
>> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>>
>> Jeff
>> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com> |
| Subject: | Building A grass Strip |
Lowell,
Certainly to one plane at a time. Hopefully someday we can accommodate
several at a time, but would need some time to plan for that.
I have been waiting for Skystar to return to the fly-ins. And some day, I
may even be brave enough to try for Cameron Park. I am getting a little
braver all the time.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
Randy,
I hope that invite extends to all. Last year we flew past your area on our
way to Osh. We saw Devil'a Tower, but missed Mt. Rushmore both dorections.
I hope to make the trip again sometime - not this year, though.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com>
Subject: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
> Paul,
> Thanks for your reply. That is the main issue that I see that favors
> registration. I hadn't mentioned it because I was wanting to leave the
> subject open to see what surfaced.
>
> Again thanks for you comment and I will toss out an invitation to come and
> visit and see the area here. Lots of great things to see. Mount
> Rushmore.
> Crazy Horse. Devil's Tower. The Badlands. More...
>
>
> Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Peerenboom
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
>
> Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to
> prevent
> you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an
> private
>
> airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved but
> it wasn't that hard.
>
> Paul N102DG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
>>
>>
>> Jeff,
>> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had someone
>> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
>> registering
>> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>>
>> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
>> register
>> your strip.
>>
>> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still interested
>> in
>> registering it.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> JJProbasco(at)cs.com
>> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>>
>>
>> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last fall.
>> The
>>
>> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones - well
>> that's another story.
>>
>> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the air
>> space
>> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested in
>> the
>> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with
>> the
>> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
>> state.
>> PA
>> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the necessary
>> forms/or
>> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>>
>> Jeff
>> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
| From: | Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor(at)online.no> |
Hi Gary,
Se below.
10:53:33 AM, kitfoxjunky wrote:
>
>
> Hi Torgeir
>
> I meant to say the "rough spot"..not the "right spot". Sometimes I type
> too fast.
Figured out this..
>
> One thing I think I will miss is the NSI CAP's ability to flatten out
> completely, even go into beta. On floats, it was nice to be able to keep
> the RPM up and use the pitch selector to control forward motion, even
> stop the plane.
This is indeed an interesting capability.
> One of my big concerns with the IVO was that it could only go
> into fine pitch and not flatten out completely. Then again, the design
> of the prop (the lack of moving parts) gives me confidence it will never
> come apart.
Do not have any experience with the variable pitch version (but love to
-later on), well -maybe Gary Algate can fill in here??
> I will purchase the in flight adjust option only after I test it
> at full fine adjustment when I get the plane back on the floats. If I
> can keep the RPM in the 2500 range, and have a slow enough taxi at full
> fine so the water does not come over the front of the floats, I will go
> for the added expense.
I'll hope you'll keep us informed, most interesting.
> On wheels the in flight adjustment is simply not
> necessary. Even at a courser pitch I use on the ground adjust the plane
> literally jumps into the air.
Here I've got the same experience and are very satisfied. :)
> The IVO Medium Quick Adjust is only 18 LBS. Anyone know the full up
> weight of the NSI CAP 140? I seem to remember hearing something like 26
> LBS.
>
No idea about this one..
Thanks for this interesting info Gary.
(Coming weekend I'm going on holiday for three week to Thailand, so I'll
be unable to plan any list visit.)
Have a nice holiday.
Cheers
Torgeir.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Building A grass Strip |
I've been reading some posts about private airstrips.I agree State and local Laws
vary,but one Law doesn't as told to me by the good ole FAA.Any runway used
for 30 consecutive days must be registered, the only exemption to this is a special
permit issued for an airshow.The application is lengthy I'm 5'11'' and with
the first Bi-fold page over my head the rest of it hit the floor.To save you
some time on the phone,you can't get the application locally it must come from
Teterboro.You have to state the longitude and latitude,as well as elevation
of the strip gps is not acceptable. You must use National geological survey
maps
Regards David Cecil
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Casey <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us>
Subject: RE: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
Have some knowledge of the subject...built a grass strip in Alabama...
The regs vary state to state, so your mileage may vary...but this is how
it is in Alabama.
They have 3 classes of airport..."personal"-(just me...),
"private"-(just me and who I invite...), and "public"-(me, and anyone
who wants to...)
In Alabama, "personal" airports don't require any registration with the
state...(i.e. it will only be my life in jeopardy by a "sub-standard"
airport facility ;-) whereas "private" and "public" require
registration and inspection by the state board of transportation...
Now here comes the rub...the comment about your neighbors not wanting an
"airport" in the neighborhood is a very good one...and registration
might protect you down the road...but in Alabama, to GET registered
requires the state department of transportation guy to basically go
around to all of your neighbors and ask them if they mind if you have an
airport on your property!!! They then have you under their thumb, and
the state guy actually told me that usually what happened was a sort of
blackmail where you got to "compensate" them for their "loss of property
value" due to living next to an airport ;-) (Would have possibly led to
neighbor on neighbor violence ;-)
When I asked the state transportation guy if I needed to tell all my
flying buddies to stay out cause I was a "personal use" airport...he
laughed and told me that they didn't have an "airport-use enforcement
division" and try not to be totally obvious ;-) (i.e. don't host a EAA
regional flyin, etc...)
Thanks to the super-quiet nature of the 912 engine, almost none of my
neighbors even know I fly out of the backyard... ;-) and the one's that
do think it is cool and have been given rides...and always wave when I
fly over. (I do try to avoid direct overflights and simple courtesy
goes a long way...i.e. no 6:00 am departures...etc.)
Jeremy Casey
http://www.kilocharlie.us/images/briarpatch_large.jpg
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Daughenbaugh [mailto:rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com]
Subject: Off line RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
Paul,
Thanks for your reply. That is the main issue that I see that favors
registration. I hadn't mentioned it because I was wanting to leave the
subject open to see what surfaced.
Again thanks for you comment and I will toss out an invitation to come
and
visit and see the area here. Lots of great things to see. Mount
Rushmore.
Crazy Horse. Devil's Tower. The Badlands. More...
Randy - Black Hills of South Dakota
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Peerenboom
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
Get it registered. As houses build up people have much more pull to
prevent
you from flying from your land then if the strip is registered as an
private
airport. In Wisconsin the state, country and township all get involved
but
it wasn't that hard.
Paul N102DG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
> Jeff,
> What are the reasons for registering your private airport? I had
someone
> with the government tell me to just fly from it and forget about
> registering
> it. He said there is no value in registering it.
>
> I have also been told that insurance is much less expensive if you
> register
> your strip.
>
> I have just been flying from my strip so far, but I am still
interested in
> registering it.
>
> Randy
>
> .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> JJProbasco(at)cs.com
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Building A grass Strip
>
>
> I built a grass strip in PA and got my final airport license last
fall.
> The
>
> paperwork side was relatively painless. Raking a shoveling stones -
well
> that's another story.
>
> Generally for private airports, the feds are interested only in the
air
> space
> and safe approaches, and your state will probably be more interested
in
> the
> overall design features and ground location. I suggest you start with
the
> division or aeronautics in the department of transportation for your
> state.
> PA
> was very helpful, and provided an information packet with the
necessary
> forms/or
> pointing to the FAA website for forms and advisories.
>
> Jeff
> Model 5, NSI CAP, still building
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Digest Truncation Fixed!! |
Dear Listers,
I finally figured out today what was causing the occasional
truncation of the daily List Digest emails. Seems that every once in
a while a message would contain a single "." (period) on line all by
itself. The mailers would see this and assume that this was the
universal emailer signal for "end of message", and consequently
wouldn't process any of the rest of the Digest message.
I've put in a filter today to remove any of these sequences so we
should be back in business on the Digests.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Hutson" <rhutson(at)midsouth.rr.com> |
| Subject: | BUILDING YOUR ON GRASS STRIP |
http://www.dot.state.tx.us/AVN/avninfo.htm While playing on the web, I found this very useful site on the Texas DOT web site. It is very detail manual on how to build your own private air strip. Granted it applies to Texas, but should provide allot of useful information, including a list of manufacturers for items needed on the strip
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: C-GOOT Flies Again |
Fred,
the only cap failures I know of were the type one hub that held the blades
loosly in the hub.
John Oakley
> transitioned into beta. I don't think that's come up relative to CAP
> failures. Perhaps the engineers on the list can comment on this as a
> failure mode applicable to the CAP.
> Please let us know about your performance as soon as you're back on
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michel Verheughe <michel(at)online.no> |
> From: David Savener [david_savener(at)msn.com]
> I would like more effective controls for the rudder and elevator on my Model
II.
> I think I want to seal the gaps. Does it really work?
Hello Dave,
I have gap sealed the elevator and rudder of my model 3 and yes, I notice a difference.
Since your model II has less tail surface, I think it could be a good
idea to seal your gaps.
> Should I make an S type seal?
I have done both the S-type seal and double-seal. Both helps.
For the S-type, I used a two-inches off-the-shelf 3M transparent tape that I overlapped
about an inch. For the double-type, I joined the same two-inches tape
with a one-inch tape in the middle.
The trick is to prepare and place the tapes.
First, I cut them in lenght that equal the distances between the hinges of the
elevator and rudder. I wanted the hinges to be accessible and not covered by tape.
In any case, using the S-type, you need to cut them.
Then I used a plate of plastic that I sprayed with water, using the bottle my wife
uses for ironing clothes. The water helps to keep the tape on the plate when
you come with the other tape and static electricity tend to lift it.
Once the two tapes together (either overlapping or 1"-on-2") I spray them again
with a thin film of water. I put them in place, the water preventing them to
be glued too quickly, then I press them in place, squeezing the tiny drops of
water out.
I believe some people use water mixed with dishwashing soap. Water only worked
well for me.
I have had these tapes for two years now and they still stick and work well. Maybe
I'll replace them next year.
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lmar <my93avid(at)yahoo.com> |
I have found that the simplest, longest lasting tape is ordinary fabric tapes applied
as per the rest of the airplane. I used this on several airplanes. If
you put it over the top of the hinge line, you can cut out access space at the
hinge pins, but I've just inspected mine from below.
Larry
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: 582 Firewall Forward |
| From: | "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl(at)ciena.com> |
I'm hooking up a 582 in a Model I which has never flown before. I'm
having a hard time with the throttle cable installation and mounting the
coolant filler/recovery tank. To give me some ideas, I was wondering if
anyone had digital images of their installation they could send me.
Thanks in advance,
Bill
Severna Park, Maryland
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | From the other side. |
| From: | Torgeir Mortensen <torgemor(at)online.no> |
Hi, Kitfox Friends,
Very -very quiet, -on the list, right.
Well, here's something, you'll know....and will -remember for a long
time...I'll hope :) ..
This time, I'll like to show you a different side(?)(-from this side of
the pound).
This is about the similarity of a Kitfox and a Fighter... He., he , now
you'll wonder..
Ok,. Some time ago I got this link to a "download" site, from my god
friend; Joe Hemmer(maybe some of you'll know Joe(?)). (Later on I've got
plenty of directions to this site..)
The link I'll give you, is about(I'll think); a pilot's salute to an
outgoing aircraft, in this case a Dassault Mirage III S.
This is a video made by some "wild rebels-" flying the Mirage Fighter in
the Alps (just like my homeplace).
You'll know, when an aircraft is done - it's finished(.), have got all the
modifications, being tuned- then, -it's outsource....
I've seen this video numerous of times, don't know why..
Before you'll jump to the link, warning, warning, this file is very large,
36 Mbytes!!
If you do not have the bandwidth(it will take forever- to download), have
a copy from a friend, It's worth all the struggle...
Here's the link:
http://www.canardzone.com/content/JetFlightInMountains.wmv
Don't know how many times I've been w.. this little record.
When you (hopefully)- is enjoying this flight, I'm on the way to
Thailand...
Happy Holidays to everyone.
Torgeir..
PS:
Now youll tell me; is there any similarity between a Kitfox and a
fighter..(?) (Sure -sure, plenty, but)..
Come on, -explain the similarity..
Ill be back in three week....
By the way, here's the actual plane (the leader) from another view (hope
this work).
http://images.airliners.net/open.file?id=355549&WxsIERv=Qnffnhyg%20Zventr%20VVV%20F&WdsYXMg=Fjvgmreynaq%20-%20Nve%20Sbepr&QtODMg=Jnqqvatgba%20%28JGA%20%2F%20RTKJ%29&ERDLTkt=HX%20-%20Ratynaq&ktODMp=Whar%2017%2C%201993&BP=0&WNEb25u=Wbua%20Uvttvaf%20-%20NveGrnzVzntrf&xsIERvdWdsY=W-2308&MgTUQtODMgKE=Fjvff%20NS%20Zventr%20VVV%20ernql%20sbe%20n%20NPZV%20zvffvba&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=1383&NEb25uZWxs=2003-05-22%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=998&static=yes&width=1024&height=749&sok=JURER%20%20%28cubgb_qngr%20%20%3D%20%27Whar%2017%2C%201993%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=3&prev_id=510712&next_id=355548
All of the above belongs to the link.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <fablef(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Electrical Tools-Wiring Supplies-Harnesses and More |
Hi Everyone,
With Matt Dralle's permission, I wanted to let everyone on the list know that Affordable
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and more to our inventory. We have some of the lowest prices on everything
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Our full page catalog will be out in a couple of weeks. In the mean time, anyone
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www.affordablepanels.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeff Sattin" <livinnmd(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | From the other side. |
Torgeir,
Great video.
Thanks for sharing.
Jeff Sattin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Torgeir
Mortensen
Subject: Kitfox-List: From the other side.
-->
Hi, Kitfox Friends,
Very -very quiet, -on the list, right.
Well, here's something, you'll know....and will -remember for a long
time...I'll hope :) ..
This time, I'll like to show you a different side(?)(-from this side of
the pound).
This is about the similarity of a Kitfox and a Fighter... He., he , now
you'll wonder..
Ok,. Some time ago I got this link to a "download" site, from my god
friend; Joe Hemmer(maybe some of you'll know Joe(?)). (Later on I've got
plenty of directions to this site..)
The link I'll give you, is about(I'll think); a pilot's salute to an
outgoing aircraft, in this case a Dassault Mirage III S.
This is a video made by some "wild rebels-" flying the Mirage Fighter in
the Alps (just like my homeplace).
You'll know, when an aircraft is done - it's finished(.), have got all
the
modifications, being tuned- then, -it's outsource....
I've seen this video numerous of times, don't know why..
Before you'll jump to the link, warning, warning, this file is very
large,
36 Mbytes!!
If you do not have the bandwidth(it will take forever- to download),
have
a copy from a friend, It's worth all the struggle...
Here's the link:
http://www.canardzone.com/content/JetFlightInMountains.wmv
Don't know how many times I've been w.. this little record.
When you (hopefully)- is enjoying this flight, I'm on the way to
Thailand...
Happy Holidays to everyone.
Torgeir..
PS:
Now youll tell me; is there any similarity between a Kitfox and a
fighter..(?) (Sure -sure, plenty, but)..
Come on, -explain the similarity..
Ill be back in three week....
By the way, here's the actual plane (the leader) from another view (hope
this work).
http://images.airliners.net/open.file?id=355549&WxsIERv=Qnffnhyg%20Zvent
r%20VVV%20F&WdsYXMg=Fjvgmreynaq%20-%20Nve%20Sbepr&QtODMg=Jnqqvatgba%20%2
8JGA%20%2F%20RTKJ%29&ERDLTkt=HX%20-%20Ratynaq&ktODMp=Whar%2017%2C%201993
&BP=0&WNEb25u=Wbua%20Uvttvaf%20-%20NveGrnzVzntrf&xsIERvdWdsY=W-2308&MgTU
QtODMgKE=Fjvff%20NS%20Zventr%20VVV%20ernql%20sbe%20n%20NPZV%20zvffvba&YX
MgTUQtODMgKERD=1383&NEb25uZWxs=2003-05-22%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dc
jdg=998&static=yes&width=1024&height=749&sok=JURER%20%20%28cubgb_qngr%20
%20%3D%20%27Whar%2017%2C%201993%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&
photo_nr=3&prev_id=510712&next_id=355548
All of the above belongs to the link.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Perry" <eskflyer(at)pld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: From the other side. |
I have got to get me one of those . Awsome vid thanks for sharing .
John Perry
sw wind blowin no water flatland Kansas America
Kitfox 2 N718PD
-------Original Message-------
From: Torgeir Mortensen
Date: 07/15/05 19:23:00
Subject: Kitfox-List: From the other side.
Hi, Kitfox Friends,
Very -very quiet, -on the list, right.
Well, here's something, you'll know....and will -remember for a long
time...I'll hope :) ..
This time, I'll like to show you a different side(?)(-from this side of
the pound).
This is about the similarity of a Kitfox and a Fighter... He., he , now
you'll wonder..
Ok,. Some time ago I got this link to a "download" site, from my god
friend; Joe Hemmer(maybe some of you'll know Joe(?)). (Later on I've got
plenty of directions to this site..)
The link I'll give you, is about(I'll think); a pilot's salute to an
outgoing aircraft, in this case a Dassault Mirage III S.
This is a video made by some "wild rebels-" flying the Mirage Fighter in
the Alps (just like my homeplace).
You'll know, when an aircraft is done - it's finished(.), have got all the
modifications, being tuned- then, -it's outsource....
I've seen this video numerous of times, don't know why..
Before you'll jump to the link, warning, warning, this file is very large,
36 Mbytes!!
If you do not have the bandwidth(it will take forever- to download), have
a copy from a friend, It's worth all the struggle...
Here's the link:
http://www.canardzone.com/content/JetFlightInMountains.wmv
Don't know how many times I've been w.. this little record.
When you (hopefully)- is enjoying this flight, I'm on the way to
Thailand...
Happy Holidays to everyone.
Torgeir..
PS:
Now youll tell me; is there any similarity between a Kitfox and a
fighter..(?) (Sure -sure, plenty, but)..
Come on, -explain the similarity..
Ill be back in three week....
By the way, here's the actual plane (the leader) from another view (hope
this work).
http://images.airliners.net/open
file?id355549&WxsIERvQnffnhyg%20Zventr%20VVV%20F&WdsYXMgFjvgmreynaq%20-%20
ve%20Sbepr&QtODMgJnqqvatgba%20%28JGA%20%2F%20RTKJ%29&ERDLTktHX%20-%20Ratyna
&ktODMpWhar%2017%2C%201993&BP0&WNEb25uWbua%20Uvttvaf%20-%20NveGrnzVzntrf&x
IERvdWdsYW-2308&MgTUQtODMgKEFjvff%20NS%20Zventr%20VVV%20ernql%20sbe%20n%20N
ZV%20zvffvba&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD1383&NEb25uZWxs2003-05-22%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9d
CE&O89Dcjdg998&staticyes&width1024&height749&sokJURER%20%20%28cubgb_qng
%20%20%3D%20%27Whar%2017%2C%201993%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&ph
to_nr3&prev_id510712&next_id355548
All of the above belongs to the link.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | 582 Coolant/EGT Temp |
I re-pitched my prop for better cruise a little while back...hadn't done
much flying until this past week at a fly-in, and now I'm a bit concerned
about temperatures...
My Coolant Temp mid-day when it was hot and humid was hovering just a hair
under 180 on climb-out and dropped to 170 in cruise. My EGT is now at about
900-925 in each cylinder at cruise...the previous owner says that these
numbers are fine. Any other opinions (or facts!)
Thanks a million!
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp |
Sounds like your coolant temps are about right (for the conditions). I get
nervous when they go above 180 and have had that problem since the beginning
on climbout (hot days). My cruise always hangs in there about 165. I think
(opinion) that 900 degrees EGT's are a bit on the cool side. Even the Rotax
manual recommends somewhere around 1100 or so.....I don't have the manual in
front of me...
You asked for facts or opinions. The book (facts) says "around" 1050 to
1100. Many like to run close to 1200 (opinion's). I split the difference
and run between 1100 and 1150. Again, I don't have the book in front of me
so an just using numbers from memory.
You have a situation that might prove interesting...If you increased the
EGT's to the book number (1100 or so), would this cause your coolant temps
to increase???? If it did, you might find yourself like many others, having
too high a coolant temp???
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
----- Original Message ----- >
My Coolant Temp mid-day when it was hot and humid was hovering just a hair
> under 180 on climb-out and dropped to 170 in cruise. My EGT is now at
> about
> 900-925 in each cylinder at cruise...the previous owner says that these
> numbers are fine. Any other opinions (or facts!)
>
> Thanks a million!
> Andrew
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter Brookes" <pdbrookes(at)blueyonder.co.uk> |
| Subject: | 582 Coolant/EGT Temp |
Sounds similar to mine Andrew! Ambient temperature of 27deg C this evening,
and water temp right up to 80deg C on climb out, but soon settle in cruise.
I would be concerned if it went higher and would consider dropping the rad
an inch or so into the airflow more.
However, we don't normally get 30deg in England ;-)
Pete.
Kitfox II 582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew
Matthaey
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp
I re-pitched my prop for better cruise a little while back...hadn't done
much flying until this past week at a fly-in, and now I'm a bit concerned
about temperatures...
My Coolant Temp mid-day when it was hot and humid was hovering just a hair
under 180 on climb-out and dropped to 170 in cruise. My EGT is now at about
900-925 in each cylinder at cruise...the previous owner says that these
numbers are fine. Any other opinions (or facts!)
Thanks a million!
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols(at)clearwave.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp |
Hi Andrew,
Well, your coolant temps are in line...be glad they are not higher. We
commonly see temps in the mid to high 180's ...(sometimes hotter) on hot
days.
The reason your EGTS dropped off is you are operating at a wider throttle
setting than before. What is critical is what EGTS are you getting at wide
open throttle (WOT).... The midrange EGT ( 5200-5600 rpm) can be easily set
by adjusting the jet needle. 900 is a bit low and will result in a build up
of carbon in the piston rings. You should aim for 1050-1100 at cruise rpm
and 900-1000 at WOT.
Quite often the gauges and probes are not that accurate and should only be
used as a "relative" (i.e. relative to the last few flights and similar
conditions) reading.
You might find your coolant temps a bit higher than before (under the same
conditions) because you are working the engine just a bit harder to atain
the same rpm (coarser pitch on the prop.).
You did'nt mention what rpm's you were getting at full throttle and what rpm
you were cruising at.
Hope this helps
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
www.rtx-av-engines.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp
>
> I re-pitched my prop for better cruise a little while back...hadn't done
> much flying until this past week at a fly-in, and now I'm a bit concerned
> about temperatures...
>
> My Coolant Temp mid-day when it was hot and humid was hovering just a hair
> under 180 on climb-out and dropped to 170 in cruise. My EGT is now at
about
> 900-925 in each cylinder at cruise...the previous owner says that these
> numbers are fine. Any other opinions (or facts!)
>
> Thanks a million!
> Andrew
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp |
Well I'm glad my coolant temps are ok, but the EGT's make me nervous with
the carboning up issue! The CPS catalog says 930-1200 is normal...I guess I
could just re-jet her and lean her out (hasn't been done since last fall, I
believe). That oughta help without having to repitch my prop again...
Thanks group,
Andrew
>From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols(at)clearwave.ca>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp
>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:41:54 -0700
>
>
>
>Hi Andrew,
>Well, your coolant temps are in line...be glad they are not higher. We
>commonly see temps in the mid to high 180's ...(sometimes hotter) on hot
>days.
>The reason your EGTS dropped off is you are operating at a wider throttle
>setting than before. What is critical is what EGTS are you getting at wide
>open throttle (WOT).... The midrange EGT ( 5200-5600 rpm) can be easily set
>by adjusting the jet needle. 900 is a bit low and will result in a build
>up
>of carbon in the piston rings. You should aim for 1050-1100 at cruise rpm
>and 900-1000 at WOT.
>Quite often the gauges and probes are not that accurate and should only be
>used as a "relative" (i.e. relative to the last few flights and similar
>conditions) reading.
>You might find your coolant temps a bit higher than before (under the same
>conditions) because you are working the engine just a bit harder to atain
>the same rpm (coarser pitch on the prop.).
>You did'nt mention what rpm's you were getting at full throttle and what
>rpm
>you were cruising at.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>Bob Robertson
>Light Engine Services Ltd.
>Rotax Service Center
>St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com>
>To:
>Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp
>
>
>
> >
> > I re-pitched my prop for better cruise a little while back...hadn't done
> > much flying until this past week at a fly-in, and now I'm a bit
>concerned
> > about temperatures...
> >
> > My Coolant Temp mid-day when it was hot and humid was hovering just a
>hair
> > under 180 on climb-out and dropped to 170 in cruise. My EGT is now at
>about
> > 900-925 in each cylinder at cruise...the previous owner says that these
> > numbers are fine. Any other opinions (or facts!)
> >
> > Thanks a million!
> > Andrew
> >
> >
>
>
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: From the other side. |
Michel,
>Thanks Torgeir but ... just like for "Pell City run.wmv" I can only
>hear the sound and the screen remains black. I guess that's the
>price I have to pay to work on a Macintosh, using a Netscape
>browser. :-(
It's not a problem with your computer or your browser, Michel, you
just need to download Windoze Media Player for Mac
<http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherproducts/otherproducts.aspx?pid=windowsmedia>.
Mike G.
N728KF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michel Verheughe <michel(at)online.no> |
| Subject: | From the other side. |
> From: Michael Gibbs [MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net]
> It's not a problem with your computer or your browser, Michel, you
> just need to download Windoze Media Player for Mac
Thanks Mike but I have Media Player for Mac. I can open some WMV files and see
their content. But in the two aforementionned movies, I hear the sound but see
nothing, only a black screen.
I guess I should have a newer version of the software. But newer versions run only
on Mac OS X and I am still on Mac OS 9. And I don't like to be pushed to buy
new software when the old one still works fine. ... well, we are getting off-topic
here, but ... the computer industry sucks ... in my humble opinion! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Kitfox instructor |
| From: | "Hartin, John" <John.Hartin(at)morganstanley.com> |
Just purchased KF 5 looking for instructor near lodi ca
John Hartin
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| From: | Fred Shiple <fredshiple(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] One Six Right |
Wonderful video, Michel. Thanks for passign it on!
Fred
> http://www.onesixright.com/video/aerials.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Marwynne" <marwynne(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | [Off-topic] One Six Right |
That is an exellent video....... The music was right also
See ya
Marwynne
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Shiple
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: [Off-topic] One Six Right
Wonderful video, Michel. Thanks for passign it on!
Fred
> http://www.onesixright.com/video/aerials.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp |
I just came across a product at an Auto Parts store called WaterWetter...
It's supposed to lower coolant temperature in your car by up to 20 degrees
by allowing better heat transfer between the block/coolant. It says it can
be used with any coolant, water, distilled, etc...Should I give this a try?
Even if 180 degrees F on climbout isn't that bad, 165 is even better, right?
Andrew
>From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp
>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:06:11 -0400
>
>
>
>Well I'm glad my coolant temps are ok, but the EGT's make me nervous with
>the carboning up issue! The CPS catalog says 930-1200 is normal...I guess
>I
>could just re-jet her and lean her out (hasn't been done since last fall, I
>believe). That oughta help without having to repitch my prop again...
>
>Thanks group,
>Andrew
>
>
> >From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols(at)clearwave.ca>
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp
> >Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:41:54 -0700
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Andrew,
> >Well, your coolant temps are in line...be glad they are not higher. We
> >commonly see temps in the mid to high 180's ...(sometimes hotter) on hot
> >days.
> >The reason your EGTS dropped off is you are operating at a wider throttle
> >setting than before. What is critical is what EGTS are you getting at
>wide
> >open throttle (WOT).... The midrange EGT ( 5200-5600 rpm) can be easily
>set
> >by adjusting the jet needle. 900 is a bit low and will result in a build
> >up
> >of carbon in the piston rings. You should aim for 1050-1100 at cruise
>rpm
> >and 900-1000 at WOT.
> >Quite often the gauges and probes are not that accurate and should only
>be
> >used as a "relative" (i.e. relative to the last few flights and similar
> >conditions) reading.
> >You might find your coolant temps a bit higher than before (under the
>same
> >conditions) because you are working the engine just a bit harder to atain
> >the same rpm (coarser pitch on the prop.).
> >You did'nt mention what rpm's you were getting at full throttle and what
> >rpm
> >you were cruising at.
> >
> >Hope this helps
> >
> >Bob Robertson
> >Light Engine Services Ltd.
> >Rotax Service Center
> >St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
> >Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
> >Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
> >www.rtx-av-engines.ca
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I re-pitched my prop for better cruise a little while back...hadn't
>done
> > > much flying until this past week at a fly-in, and now I'm a bit
> >concerned
> > > about temperatures...
> > >
> > > My Coolant Temp mid-day when it was hot and humid was hovering just a
> >hair
> > > under 180 on climb-out and dropped to 170 in cruise. My EGT is now at
> >about
> > > 900-925 in each cylinder at cruise...the previous owner says that
>these
> > > numbers are fine. Any other opinions (or facts!)
> > >
> > > Thanks a million!
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W Duke <n981ms(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fresh air vents?? |
Sorry I am late on this. I used Van's NACA vents mounted in the lower cowl. They
come with plastic eyeball and lots of duct. I did not use the duct. I bought
some radiator hose and slip mounted the eyeballs directly onto the outlet
of the NACA. They look pretty good and work great.
Maxwell
Gerns25(at)netscape.net wrote:
What are you guys using for fresh air venting in your kitfoxes? I have a pair of
the Vista vents to install but I have the LP Aeroplastics bubble doors and there
is not an area flat enough to mount them. I have thought of putting them
in the skylight but then you have the rain issues. I am in Utah and it can get
pretty hot down here especially when sitting in that greenhouse I call 323MM.
I don't really like flying with my doors off and I have tried using bungees to
hold the door open a couple of inches. Does anyone have a better idea or a differnt
vent I can use? I would love to install some adjustable vents in the panel
like in certified airplanes but would hate to undertake this project if there
was a better option. Any advice or photos of your installation would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Darin Hawkes
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp |
I tried water wetter and saw little improvement. Still have half a bottle
sitting in the hanger
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp
>
>
> I just came across a product at an Auto Parts store called WaterWetter...
>
> It's supposed to lower coolant temperature in your car by up to 20 degrees
> by allowing better heat transfer between the block/coolant. It says it
> can
> be used with any coolant, water, distilled, etc...Should I give this a
> try?
> Even if 180 degrees F on climbout isn't that bad, 165 is even better,
> right?
>
> Andrew
>
>
>>From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp
>>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:06:11 -0400
>>
>>
>>
>>Well I'm glad my coolant temps are ok, but the EGT's make me nervous with
>>the carboning up issue! The CPS catalog says 930-1200 is normal...I guess
>>I
>>could just re-jet her and lean her out (hasn't been done since last fall,
>>I
>>believe). That oughta help without having to repitch my prop again...
>>
>>Thanks group,
>>Andrew
>>
>>
>> >From: "Bob Robertson" <aerocontrols(at)clearwave.ca>
>> >Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>> >To:
>> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp
>> >Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:41:54 -0700
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi Andrew,
>> >Well, your coolant temps are in line...be glad they are not higher. We
>> >commonly see temps in the mid to high 180's ...(sometimes hotter) on
>> >hot
>> >days.
>> >The reason your EGTS dropped off is you are operating at a wider
>> >throttle
>> >setting than before. What is critical is what EGTS are you getting at
>>wide
>> >open throttle (WOT).... The midrange EGT ( 5200-5600 rpm) can be easily
>>set
>> >by adjusting the jet needle. 900 is a bit low and will result in a
>> >build
>> >up
>> >of carbon in the piston rings. You should aim for 1050-1100 at cruise
>>rpm
>> >and 900-1000 at WOT.
>> >Quite often the gauges and probes are not that accurate and should only
>>be
>> >used as a "relative" (i.e. relative to the last few flights and similar
>> >conditions) reading.
>> >You might find your coolant temps a bit higher than before (under the
>>same
>> >conditions) because you are working the engine just a bit harder to
>> >atain
>> >the same rpm (coarser pitch on the prop.).
>> >You did'nt mention what rpm's you were getting at full throttle and what
>> >rpm
>> >you were cruising at.
>> >
>> >Hope this helps
>> >
>> >Bob Robertson
>> >Light Engine Services Ltd.
>> >Rotax Service Center
>> >St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
>> >Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
>> >Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
>> >www.rtx-av-engines.ca
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com>
>> >To:
>> >Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Coolant/EGT Temp
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I re-pitched my prop for better cruise a little while back...hadn't
>>done
>> > > much flying until this past week at a fly-in, and now I'm a bit
>> >concerned
>> > > about temperatures...
>> > >
>> > > My Coolant Temp mid-day when it was hot and humid was hovering just a
>> >hair
>> > > under 180 on climb-out and dropped to 170 in cruise. My EGT is now
>> > > at
>> >about
>> > > 900-925 in each cylinder at cruise...the previous owner says that
>>these
>> > > numbers are fine. Any other opinions (or facts!)
>> > >
>> > > Thanks a million!
>> > > Andrew
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stu Bryant" <s.j.bryant(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [Off-topic] One Six Right |
I don't know the name of the song, nor the name of the album. But I'm 99%
certain that the music was composed & performed by Enya.
Stu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMuller589(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fresh air vents?? |
we're using those little rotating tabs, one on each door in Houston and they
are adequate in the air but doors open on the ground. We tinted the
overhead. Normally our altitudes are below 2000msl. So far we only had a few 100deg
F
days.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps(at)tznet.com> |
| Subject: | HKS (582 replacement) engine conversion |
All,
Just finished looking at the HKS engine conversion that Green Sky offers for
the Kitfox. I've always wondered about this engine being a good replacement
for the 582, and apparently it is. And Green Sky is offering details on the
install, the engine, and components as needed. Here's the link
http://www.greenskyadventures.com/EnginePricing/HKS/kitfox/kitfox_web_brochure.htm
For any of you with the two-stroke blues....
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michel Verheughe <michel(at)online.no> |
| Subject: | HKS (582 replacement) engine conversion |
> From: Paul Seehafer [av8rps(at)tznet.com]
> Just finished looking at the HKS engine conversion that Green Sky offers for
> the Kitfox.
I also looked at that engine when wanting to replace my 582, Paul. But two things
made me go for the Jabiru. First, I understand the HKS has a TBO of only 500
hours, vs. 2,000 for the Jabiru. Then I was told that the HKS will deliver less
power (climb rate, cruise speed) than the 582. I am not sure about the latter,
only a heresay.
I know that the HKS is installed, here in Norway, on a Norwegian prototype seaplane
called Omsider. I have seen it flying and it looks fine. I also know that
the HKS is also installed on the Xair, a lighter than Kitfox aircraft, with success.
But the Xair is a no-cowling overhead tractor engine.
I am very pleased with my Jabiru but I'd gladly hear from other engines.
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps(at)tznet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HKS (582 replacement) engine conversion |
Michel,
I really don't know much about the HKS engine other than occassionally
seeing one on an airplane or two, and what I read. But since the purpose of
this forum is to share information about our airplanes, I thought it was
good stuff to let everyone know about. I personally like the 912, but one
always should keep his options open.
I appreciate your comments in regards to the HKS and the Jabiru. For the
just-getting-started guys any good engine information is valuable in helping
them to decide what engine to use.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel(at)online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: HKS (582 replacement) engine conversion
>
>> From: Paul Seehafer [av8rps(at)tznet.com]
>> Just finished looking at the HKS engine conversion that Green Sky offers
>> for
>> the Kitfox.
>
> I also looked at that engine when wanting to replace my 582, Paul. But two
> things made me go for the Jabiru. First, I understand the HKS has a TBO of
> only 500 hours, vs. 2,000 for the Jabiru. Then I was told that the HKS
> will deliver less power (climb rate, cruise speed) than the 582. I am not
> sure about the latter, only a heresay.
> I know that the HKS is installed, here in Norway, on a Norwegian prototype
> seaplane called Omsider. I have seen it flying and it looks fine. I also
> know that the HKS is also installed on the Xair, a lighter than Kitfox
> aircraft, with success. But the Xair is a no-cowling overhead tractor
> engine.
>
> I am very pleased with my Jabiru but I'd gladly hear from other engines.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps(at)tznet.com> |
| Subject: | IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape |
All,
Any of you guys that are running IVO props (particulary the in flight
adjustable) have any idea how to keep the metal leading edges from cracking
shortly after you install them? Has anyone used plastic tape on theirs?
Just need some input on others experience. The stainless leading edges seem
to go bad within hours of installation. There must be a better way.
I'm thinking that the answer might be some plastic tape like they use on
helicopter blades in desert operations where they erode from sand?
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape |
I am running a ground adjustable on a 912 UL. Very pleased with the prop,
but would like to stop the wrinkling of the stainless steel tape on the
leading edge. I am open to any suggestions.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps(at)tznet.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
>
> All,
>
> Any of you guys that are running IVO props (particulary the in flight
> adjustable) have any idea how to keep the metal leading edges from
cracking
> shortly after you install them? Has anyone used plastic tape on theirs?
> Just need some input on others experience. The stainless leading edges
seem
> to go bad within hours of installation. There must be a better way.
>
> I'm thinking that the answer might be some plastic tape like they use on
> helicopter blades in desert operations where they erode from sand?
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Central Wisconsin
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Ford <fordm2003(at)yahoo.com> |
Does anyone have advice on picking out a headset?
I'd like to do it on a budget, but I don't want to buy
junk that I'll want to replace in a few months either.
I haven't been able to find any real aircraft headset
reviews.
I just purchased a model IV Speedster, but when it
gets here it will not have the headsets included. The
hedset will need two jacks, which seems standard on GA
plane headsets.
Does anyone know where I can find general info on
headset as well? For instance I don't know what the
difference is between the dual jacks on GA planes and
the single jack that I have on my ultralight headset.
Thanks for any reply's!
Mike
Wausau, WI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cloughley, Bill" <BCloughl(at)ciena.com> |
Hi Mike,
I've had very good experience with Lightspeed Active Noise reduction
headsets, first with a 15xl, and for the last year with a 30 3G. The 3G
is a big improvement over the 15 xl. The Lightspeeds are very
comfortable to wear and do a good job keeping out the noise. I use them
in a Citabria, which is relatively noisy inside. It's my understanding
that the Bose ANR headset is the best -- quietest -- but it is the most
expensive as well.
I think the two jacks are standard on GA planes.
Hope this helps,
Bill
70 Citabria GCBC (Flying)
Kitfox Model I - 582 (Building)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape |
I haven't said anything just yet.. I have been testing a different leading
edge on the in-flight adjustable IVO. So far I have been very pleased.. no
wrinkling or splitting.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie Blackwell
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
I am running a ground adjustable on a 912 UL. Very pleased with the prop,
but would like to stop the wrinkling of the stainless steel tape on the
leading edge. I am open to any suggestions.
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps(at)tznet.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
>
> All,
>
> Any of you guys that are running IVO props (particulary the in flight
> adjustable) have any idea how to keep the metal leading edges from
cracking
> shortly after you install them? Has anyone used plastic tape on theirs?
> Just need some input on others experience. The stainless leading edges
seem
> to go bad within hours of installation. There must be a better way.
>
> I'm thinking that the answer might be some plastic tape like they use on
> helicopter blades in desert operations where they erode from sand?
>
> Paul Seehafer
> Central Wisconsin
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
Mike,
The single jack vs the dual jack is typically helicopter vs aircraft.
You
will find the dual jack more common. Headsets become a personal choice.
Bose are fantastic headsets that are very pricy.. David Clarks (DC's) have
always been an excellent headset. Light Speed is a popular choice. DRE-6000
is what I sell and use in our aircraft.
If you're looking for a new headset.. spend a little more and go with the
noise canceling headsets.. it is worth it. I choose the DRE's because:
They were comfortable and the Noise canceling was excellent. For $300 they
were tough to beat.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Ford
Subject: Kitfox-List: headset advice
Does anyone have advice on picking out a headset?
I'd like to do it on a budget, but I don't want to buy
junk that I'll want to replace in a few months either.
I haven't been able to find any real aircraft headset
reviews.
I just purchased a model IV Speedster, but when it
gets here it will not have the headsets included. The
hedset will need two jacks, which seems standard on GA
plane headsets.
Does anyone know where I can find general info on
headset as well? For instance I don't know what the
difference is between the dual jacks on GA planes and
the single jack that I have on my ultralight headset.
Thanks for any reply's!
Mike
Wausau, WI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps(at)tznet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape |
Ok John, what's it going to cost me to be your guinnea pig? Sincerely, I
would be happy to be part of your test results. I expect to be flying my
airplane within two weeks after AirVenture (I run the seaplane base for the
EAA and have about two full time jobs right now, not including my regular
life :-)
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
>
> I haven't said anything just yet.. I have been testing a different leading
> edge on the in-flight adjustable IVO. So far I have been very pleased..
> no
> wrinkling or splitting.
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
> Blackwell
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
>
>
>
> I am running a ground adjustable on a 912 UL. Very pleased with the prop,
> but would like to stop the wrinkling of the stainless steel tape on the
> leading edge. I am open to any suggestions.
>
> Jimmie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps(at)tznet.com>
> To:
> Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
>
>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Any of you guys that are running IVO props (particulary the in flight
>> adjustable) have any idea how to keep the metal leading edges from
> cracking
>> shortly after you install them? Has anyone used plastic tape on theirs?
>> Just need some input on others experience. The stainless leading edges
> seem
>> to go bad within hours of installation. There must be a better way.
>>
>> I'm thinking that the answer might be some plastic tape like they use on
>> helicopter blades in desert operations where they erode from sand?
>>
>> Paul Seehafer
>> Central Wisconsin
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian E. O'Neil" <aviator79(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
I'm a flight instructor, and I have experience with many headsets.
General advice: Your headset is not a conveniennce item; it is a safety
item. Your headset protects you from long term hearing loss. In my
opinion, aircraft noise is the biggest source of fatigue on long flight,
and limiting it keeps you alert and aware longer. It also allows you to
better hear ATC instructions that could be critical to your safety. So
while you can shop on a budget, you also don't want to skimp. To me
there are two critical aspects to consider when purchasing a headset:
comfort and noise attenuation. Many of the cheaper headsets use a
ridiculous amount of pressure on your head to keep noise out. It may not
feel too bad when you try it on, but you'll feel it after an hour long
flight. Weight is also part of comfort. I wouldn't wear a headset that
weighed more than about 15 ounces. As far as noise attenuation goes, I
would recommend spending the money for an active cancelling headset.
They are expensive, but you will not regret spending the extra money.
I'll give a brief review of the most popular headsets that I've used.
David Clark H10-13.4: David Clark is the gold standard for passive
attenuating headsets. The H10-13.4 is their most popular. They make a
quality product that acheives an acceptable amount of noise attenuation
in a light and comfortable headset. If you decide NOT to get an active
cancelling set, this is the one I'd recommend. I have not heard terribly
good things about the DC active cancelling (ANR) headsets. They
basically just crammed an ANR system into their existing sets, and it
apparently it doesn't work nearly as well as the headsets that are
designed specifically for ANR technology. I haven't used the DC ANR
sets, so feel free to take one for a test flight. Discount retailers
sell the passive H10-13.4 for about $270.
cheap DC knockoffs: There are many many headsets that look like David
Clarks with different colored earcups. They range in price from
$89-$200. You get what you pay for with these. I use a Softcomm $100
headset as a spare and while it peforms as advertised, it is NOT
suitable for long flights or heavy use. The hardware is not the same
quality as David Clark, and you will find they clamp your head pretty
tight. With heavy use, some of the screws or other hardware will
eventually fall out, and you'll have to replace them to have a working
headset. these work great as spares of for an OCCAISIONAL passenger. I
would not recommend them for your daily use.
The Bose: The best headset money can buy is unquestionably the Bose
Aviation Heaset X. It is the only aviation headset they sell. It is
extremely small, light and undoubtedly the most comfortable headset
there is. Its ANR system is the best out there, but bring spare
batteries becasue its passive attenuation is not that great. This isn't
a flaw; this headset was just not designed to be a passive headset. Its
only drawback is the $1000 pricetag. I received mine as a graduation
present, and after having put several hundred hours on it, I can
honestly say that if I could go back and buy only one headset when I was
a student pilot, I wouldn't hesitate to drop a grand on this headset.
Compared to other headsets, it's expensive. Compared to the other costs
of flying, it's a bargain.
Lightspeed: I have owned a 15 and a 20XL. These were my first forays
into ANR. Lightspeed designed their headsets exclusively for ANR. The
noise cancelling is really good. In fact, it is almost as good as the
Bose. They are quite comfortable, although I find that in the Arizona
heat, the earseals made me sweat a lot. One thing about these heasets is
they are HUGE. Put one of these on and look in the mirror. They easily
double the width of your noggin. This isn't any particular concern
unless you are in a tight cockpit. If the pilot and passenger of a C-152
both wear one, they will bang the earcups together a few times. My
personal experience with lightspeed is that the construction is too
cheap to stand up to daily use. when you put the headset on, you can
hear the plastic parts squeek together. Two screws fell out of one
rendering it useless and the other one had a speaker quit. If you jiggle
the wire around, you can get it to work, but move your head too fast and
it'll go off again. I still have the 20XL, but it's out of warranty, and
I don't want to deal with sending it in for repair.
Bottom line: If you can bring yourself to do it, you will not regret
spending the money on a Bose when you look back on the decision a few
years from now. If you just can't spend that much, (and believe me, I
wouldn't have before I owned one.) try to at least get a quality ANR
headset. The David Clarks might be better than what I've heard. I'd try
them out and compare them to the lightspeeds. Otherwise, the lightspeed
is a good headset; just handle them gently. If you aren't going to
spring for ANR, get the David Clarks. They will last forever, and if you
decide to upgrade, you'll have a great headset for your passengers.
Mike Ford wrote:
>
>Does anyone have advice on picking out a headset?
>
>I'd like to do it on a budget, but I don't want to buy
>junk that I'll want to replace in a few months either.
>
>I haven't been able to find any real aircraft headset
>reviews.
>
>I just purchased a model IV Speedster, but when it
>gets here it will not have the headsets included. The
>hedset will need two jacks, which seems standard on GA
>plane headsets.
>
>Does anyone know where I can find general info on
>headset as well? For instance I don't know what the
>difference is between the dual jacks on GA planes and
>the single jack that I have on my ultralight headset.
>
>Thanks for any reply's!
>Mike
>Wausau, WI
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
Mike,
Hear is something else that may help... From Aviation consumer magazine
December 2000. I think the cost should have been used as a reference
rather then a scoring area because it skews the data. The other info is
interesting...
http://www.drecomm.com/Aviation%20Consumer%20ANR%20Evaluation1.htm
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
Mike,
The single jack vs the dual jack is typically helicopter vs
aircraft. You
will find the dual jack more common. Headsets become a personal choice.
Bose are fantastic headsets that are very pricy.. David Clarks (DC's) have
always been an excellent headset. Light Speed is a popular choice. DRE-6000
is what I sell and use in our aircraft.
If you're looking for a new headset.. spend a little more and go with the
noise canceling headsets.. it is worth it. I choose the DRE's because:
They were comfortable and the Noise canceling was excellent. For $300 they
were tough to beat.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Ford
Subject: Kitfox-List: headset advice
Does anyone have advice on picking out a headset?
I'd like to do it on a budget, but I don't want to buy
junk that I'll want to replace in a few months either.
I haven't been able to find any real aircraft headset
reviews.
I just purchased a model IV Speedster, but when it
gets here it will not have the headsets included. The
hedset will need two jacks, which seems standard on GA
plane headsets.
Does anyone know where I can find general info on
headset as well? For instance I don't know what the
difference is between the dual jacks on GA planes and
the single jack that I have on my ultralight headset.
Thanks for any reply's!
Mike
Wausau, WI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
Mike -
Don't know if it's still available but I bought a Lightspeed x-country ANR set
a few years ago, new for under $200. That's a budget price for a set then rated
as a "best value" by Aviation Consumer. I've used it alot and am pleased with
the performance for the price.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
Mike Ford wrote:
Does anyone have advice on picking out a headset?
I'd like to do it on a budget, but I don't want to buy
junk that I'll want to replace in a few months either.
I haven't been able to find any real aircraft headset
reviews.
I just purchased a model IV Speedster, but when it
gets here it will not have the headsets included. The
hedset will need two jacks, which seems standard on GA
plane headsets.
Does anyone know where I can find general info on
headset as well? For instance I don't know what the
difference is between the dual jacks on GA planes and
the single jack that I have on my ultralight headset.
Thanks for any reply's!
Mike
Wausau, WI
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
What do you all know about "wireless" headsets? I am forever becoming tangled in
those wires!
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean<mailto:jdmcbean(at)cableone.net>
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
Mike,
Hear is something else that may help... From Aviation consumer magazine
December 2000. I think the cost should have been used as a reference
rather then a scoring area because it skews the data. The other info is
interesting...
http://www.drecomm.com/Aviation%20Consumer%20ANR%20Evaluation1.htm>
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com<http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
Mike,
The single jack vs the dual jack is typically helicopter vs
aircraft. You
will find the dual jack more common. Headsets become a personal choice.
Bose are fantastic headsets that are very pricy.. David Clarks (DC's) have
always been an excellent headset. Light Speed is a popular choice. DRE-6000
is what I sell and use in our aircraft.
If you're looking for a new headset.. spend a little more and go with the
noise canceling headsets.. it is worth it. I choose the DRE's because:
They were comfortable and the Noise canceling was excellent. For $300 they
were tough to beat.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com<http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Ford
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: headset advice
Does anyone have advice on picking out a headset?
I'd like to do it on a budget, but I don't want to buy
junk that I'll want to replace in a few months either.
I haven't been able to find any real aircraft headset
reviews.
I just purchased a model IV Speedster, but when it
gets here it will not have the headsets included. The
hedset will need two jacks, which seems standard on GA
plane headsets.
Does anyone know where I can find general info on
headset as well? For instance I don't know what the
difference is between the dual jacks on GA planes and
the single jack that I have on my ultralight headset.
Thanks for any reply's!
Mike
Wausau, WI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape |
John
With that said where can I get some of the material your are using?
Jimmie
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
>
> I haven't said anything just yet.. I have been testing a different leading
> edge on the in-flight adjustable IVO. So far I have been very pleased..
no
> wrinkling or splitting.
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
>
>
> I am running a ground adjustable on a 912 UL. Very pleased with the prop,
> but would like to stop the wrinkling of the stainless steel tape on the
> leading edge. I am open to any suggestions.
>
> Jimmie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps(at)tznet.com>
> To:
> Subject: Kitfox-List: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
>
>
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Any of you guys that are running IVO props (particulary the in flight
> > adjustable) have any idea how to keep the metal leading edges from
> cracking
> > shortly after you install them? Has anyone used plastic tape on theirs?
> > Just need some input on others experience. The stainless leading edges
> seem
> > to go bad within hours of installation. There must be a better way.
> >
> > I'm thinking that the answer might be some plastic tape like they use on
> > helicopter blades in desert operations where they erode from sand?
> >
> > Paul Seehafer
> > Central Wisconsin
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fred Shiple <fredshiple(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
Mike,
Brian has supplied an excellent review. If you get
around a group of higher time GA pilots, all of them
will have significant hearing loss. As a physician, I
know that the damage is cumulative and once the
hearing loss is evident it's too late to recover. The
only effective strategy is too prevent the loss in the
first place. Protect your hearing with the best ANR
headphones you can find. I've used Bose for the past
15 years and would use nothing else. They're
expensive, but you only have one pair of ears.
Fred
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <turboflyer(at)comcast.net> |
Howard, so sorry to hear of the forced sale. Hope your luck changes or at
least you get what your asking. Take care.
Rick N656T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Howard Firm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Selling my fox
Due to a bad and getting worse financial situation, My wife and I decided
that we need to sell our Fox. This has been a tough decision to make, but it
comes down to the last thing I own that is worth anything...I just need to
bail myself out and start over.
I wanted to offer it here first, but I will be soon listing it on
barnstormers, then Ebay as a last resort.
Here is what I have;
Kitfox model 5 with a NSI Turbo & Warp Drive with CAP
New vacuum pump
Grove gear & tailspring
LP windshield, bubble doors with airvents
cabin heater, duel fan
New Apollo SL40 VHF Comm
New Garmin GTX 320A Transponder professionally wired and installed
RC Allen IFR Gyro's
Here are two pictures;
http://home.mchsi.com/~pianome2/leftside.jpg
http://home.mchsi.com/~pianome2/panel4.jpg
The engine is currently off of the plane. It is ready to be shipped to NSI
for a complete overhaul and the cost is included in the price.
Asking $34,500
I can answer any questions you may have, also I can supply any pictures you
may want.
E-mail me or call me at (218) 749-4659 most evenings I'm home.
Howard Firm
508 12th St. South
Virginia MN 55792
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andy Fultz" <fultz(at)trip.net> |
Brian,
E-mail me at fultz(at)trip.net if you would be interested in getting rid of
the 20XL. I like tinkering with broke headsets. Sometimes I'm successful
and sometimes I'm not.
Andy F.
I still have the 20XL, but it's out of warranty, and
I don't want to deal with sending it in for repair.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HKS (582 replacement) engine conversion |
Hi Andrew,
Maybe I missed something. Who complained about Jabiru talk on this list?
Michel commented that talk about non-jabiru engines on the Jabiru Engines
list was discouraged. Talk about alternate engines is currently ok on the
Kitfox list.
Cheers,
bh
on the list since 1995 or 1996
> Alright guys - I hate to be the one to say this (is anybody else thinking
> it?), but I am finding it hard to understand why lister's here are trying
> to
> scare away any topic not strictly Kitfox...I agree, this is a kitfox list,
> and should therefore be focused primarily on these great birds - BUT we
> all
> have boat-loads to learn, and not allowing something like "jabiru talk"
> here
> is taking away a lot from that. Come on guys, really...we're better than
> that.
>
> Andrew
>>Hi Michel,
>>
>>Bear in mind that this list is not run by SkyStar, the Kitfox kit company,
>>so there's quite a bit of leeway in topics. Also, back in the 1990s the
>>NSI group had to move out due to discussion problems, then allowed back
>>years later. And this list is about Kitfox aircraft, so there may not be
>>much tolerance for pushing other kits or aircraft.
>>
>>The Jabiru Engine list is for just that, users of or people interested in
>>the Jabiru engines.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>bh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fox5flyer" <morid(at)northland.lib.mi.us> |
| Subject: | Non Kitfox Topics |
Let me put on my Janitor Hat and just add this to Bruce's comments. I also
missed something and was wondering who made any complaints about engine
choices. On this list ANY meaningful and informed discussions about
alternative engines for the Kitfox are welcome. Rotax is obviously the king
of the mountain, but at one point they weren't. The same goes for any other
engine choices whether they be Jabiru, NSI, Eggenfellner, VW, Ford Model A,
or Weedeater. The people who make those choices all deserve the same
respect as those who chose the Rotax. Informed pro/con discussions about
any engine choices further enhance both the Kitfox and the experimental
movement in general and should never be inhibited by those who think that
only "their" choice is the correct one or by passing on unsubstantiated
anecdotal gossip for the purpose of stirring the pot.
At one point several years ago IVO prop discussions were next to impossible
because of a small number of people who hated the prop and refused to allow
any positive comments go unanswered. As there were many IVO owners on the
list it was frustrating for any meaningful discussions to happen without
those with their own personal vendettas to do what they could to cause
disruption.
As for the case of NSI "having" to move out then being "allowed" back, that
isn't exactly how it was. There were some fervent bashers (about anything
non-rotax) and the included pilers who made it impossible for Kitfox owners
with NSI packages (roughtly 65 of them at the time) to have any discussions
so they decided that it would be best at the time to just form a separate
list so they could have quiet and meaningful dialog. Since they were
primarily Kitfox owners on that list after about a year they decided rejoin
the Kitfox List and things have been relatively civil since then.
In recap, all discussions and opinions are welcome, whether they be engines,
props, radios, instruments, etc. Just keep them civil and respectful, avoid
passing on unsubstantiated heresay, and remember that there's room for
everybody's choices here, regardless what those choices may be.
Regards,
Deke Morisse
Kitfox List Administrator
> Hi Andrew,
> Maybe I missed something. Who complained about Jabiru talk on this list?
> Michel commented that talk about non-jabiru engines on the Jabiru Engines
> list was discouraged. Talk about alternate engines is currently ok on the
> Kitfox list.
> Cheers,
> bh
> on the list since 1995 or 1996
>
> > Alright guys - I hate to be the one to say this (is anybody else
thinking
> > it?), but I am finding it hard to understand why lister's here are
trying
> > to
> > scare away any topic not strictly Kitfox...I agree, this is a kitfox
list,
> > and should therefore be focused primarily on these great birds - BUT we
> > all
> > have boat-loads to learn, and not allowing something like "jabiru talk"
> > here
> > is taking away a lot from that. Come on guys, really...we're better than
> > that.
> >
> > Andrew
>
> >>Hi Michel,
> >>
> >>Bear in mind that this list is not run by SkyStar, the Kitfox kit
company,
> >>so there's quite a bit of leeway in topics. Also, back in the 1990s
the
> >>NSI group had to move out due to discussion problems, then allowed back
> >>years later. And this list is about Kitfox aircraft, so there may not
be
> >>much tolerance for pushing other kits or aircraft.
> >>
> >>The Jabiru Engine list is for just that, users of or people interested
in
> >>the Jabiru engines.
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>bh
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gill Levesque <canpilot03(at)yahoo.ca> |
| Subject: | Wanted GSC prop or blades |
Hi All,
Does anyone have a 68 in. GSC prop with LE inserts, or 3 matching blades for sale
??
Gil Levesque
Kitfox 4
" GROUNDED!!!"
Still alive and flyin!!!!
Gil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Stoner" <john(at)dakotacubaircraft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tape |
Paul,
I was advised years ago by Mike Jacober to use penetrating super glue (hobby
shop stuff) and very carefully lay a small bead all the way around each of
the stainless leading edges.
I put over 200 hours on my three blade ground adjustable and never had a
problem with the leading edge, except for gravel and ice dings.
Regards,
John Stoner
KitFox III, 582
Alaska
All,
Any of you guys that are running IVO props (particulary the in flight
adjustable) have any idea how to keep the metal leading edges from cracking
shortly after you install them? Has anyone used plastic tape on theirs?
Just need some input on others experience. The stainless leading edges seem
to go bad within hours of installation. There must be a better way.
I'm thinking that the answer might be some plastic tape like they use on
helicopter blades in desert operations where they erode from sand?
Paul Seehafer
Central Wisconsin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Floran Higgins" <cliffh(at)outdrs.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wanted GSC prop or blades |
I have a GSC three bladed prop for a 912 UL that I am not using. It will not
fit on a 912ULS.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gill Levesque" <canpilot03(at)yahoo.ca>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wanted GSC prop or blades
>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have a 68 in. GSC prop with LE inserts, or 3 matching blades
> for sale ??
>
> Gil Levesque
>
> Kitfox 4
> " GROUNDED!!!"
>
>
> Still alive and flyin!!!!
>
> Gil
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <turboflyer(at)comcast.net> |
Brian,
Just send them back. It will most likely only cost postage one way.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Fultz
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
Brian,
E-mail me at fultz(at)trip.net if you would be interested in getting rid of
the 20XL. I like tinkering with broke headsets. Sometimes I'm successful
and sometimes I'm not.
Andy F.
I still have the 20XL, but it's out of warranty, and
I don't want to deal with sending it in for repair.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "*" <caseclosed66(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
I have never had a problem with Lightspeed repairs. I have set three pairs
back to them for small repairs. They have never charged me and in fact they
have always upgraded older components to the newest parts. #2 behind BOSE.
I have 4 pairs in my Saratoga.
greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <turboflyer(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
>
> Brian,
> Just send them back. It will most likely only cost postage one way.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Fultz
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
>
>
> Brian,
>
> E-mail me at fultz(at)trip.net if you would be interested in getting rid of
> the 20XL. I like tinkering with broke headsets. Sometimes I'm successful
> and sometimes I'm not.
>
> Andy F.
>
> I still have the 20XL, but it's out of warranty, and
> I don't want to deal with sending it in for repair.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net> |
| Subject: | 912S Starting Procedure |
I need some advice from list members. I did a search in the archives and
could find nothing on this subject. I thought it had been discussed at one
time or another. What is the best or most accepted way for starting this 912
engine? I do not have a primer on this thing and using the choke seems to
have no effect. Is it OK to pump the throttle 2 or 3 times before hitting
the starter. And should you let the starter turn the engine over a few times
before switching on the mags. I am also concern about engine shake at
starting and at shut down.....comments
Roger Mac
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 912S Starting Procedure |
Hello Roger,
The 912 choke is not a true choke in the pure sense. It en richens the
mixture only when the throttle is completely closed. As you will undoubtedly
hear, most 912 owners swear by the addition of a primer, while others crank a
few
turns with only the choke on (enrichener) and then let her have some spark.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Outback, (out back in the garage)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Tomlin" <ThomasTomlin(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
John, I'm sorry I didn't know you sold the DRE's.
I bought a set and concur...they are an excellent value.
They are comfortable, quiet, and appear to live up to
their great specs.
Tom Tomlin
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
>
> Mike,
> The single jack vs the dual jack is typically helicopter vs
> aircraft. You
> will find the dual jack more common. Headsets become a personal choice.
> Bose are fantastic headsets that are very pricy.. David Clarks (DC's) have
> always been an excellent headset. Light Speed is a popular choice.
> DRE-6000
> is what I sell and use in our aircraft.
>
> If you're looking for a new headset.. spend a little more and go with the
> noise canceling headsets.. it is worth it. I choose the DRE's because:
> They were comfortable and the Noise canceling was excellent. For $300 they
> were tough to beat.
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Ford
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: headset advice
>
>
> Does anyone have advice on picking out a headset?
>
> I'd like to do it on a budget, but I don't want to buy
> junk that I'll want to replace in a few months either.
>
> I haven't been able to find any real aircraft headset
> reviews.
>
> I just purchased a model IV Speedster, but when it
> gets here it will not have the headsets included. The
> hedset will need two jacks, which seems standard on GA
> plane headsets.
>
> Does anyone know where I can find general info on
> headset as well? For instance I don't know what the
> difference is between the dual jacks on GA planes and
> the single jack that I have on my ultralight headset.
>
> Thanks for any reply's!
> Mike
> Wausau, WI
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gerns25(at)netscape.net |
| Subject: | Re: 912S Starting Procedure |
Roger,
I have a 912 on my kitfox and I don't use the primer at all, in fact, I have disconnected
it (one less place for a possible leak). I typically don't use the
primer either unless the engine in cold. I flip on the mags and give her a crank
and that is usually it. If it doesn't turn over on the first rotation or
two of the prop, I let off the starter and give it a second or two and then try
again. It has started everytime. Keep in mind, I leave the throttle completely
closed. I read somewhere that the carbs have what is called a "starting
choke" and unless the throttle is at idle, it will not engage. This may not
help you but it is how I start my 912.
Darin Hawkes
N323MM - Model III
KITFOXZ(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>Hello Roger,
>
>The 912 choke is not a true choke in the pure sense. It en richens the
>mixture only when the throttle is completely closed. As you will undoubtedly
>hear, most 912 owners swear by the addition of a primer, while others crank a
few
>turns with only the choke on (enrichener) and then let her have some spark.
>
>John P. Marzluf
>Columbus, Ohio
>Outback, (out back in the garage)
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
| From: | "Joel Mapes" <Joel.Mapes(at)roxio.com> |
My experience with LightSpeed has been excellent. Send it in for repair,
they will provide a fair price and superior quality.
Joel
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tapeIVO Prop Leading |
edge protective tapeIVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
| From: | "Joel Mapes" <Joel.Mapes(at)roxio.com> |
John,
Would the leading edge tape you're testing be suitable on warp speed
blades destined for float operations?
Joel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Thomas Lee <thomasleekf(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
I sent them back 2 pairs of 20K bought 4 years ago, and they replaced
the headset battery box assembly, new earseal , headset stirrup ....for
free including return shipping. Excellent after-sale service.
thomas lee. Vixen 912 UL, 432 hrs.
>age posted by: "*"
>
>I have never had a problem with Lightspeed repairs. I have set three pairs
>back to them for small repairs. They have never charged me and in fact they
>have always upgraded older components to the newest parts. #2 behind BOSE.
>I have 4 pairs in my Saratoga.
>
>greg
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Ford <fordm2003(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
Thanks a lot for all of the headset advise. Although
I haven't had an opertunity to try any of the
suggestions, the DRE-6000 (http://www.drecomm.com/)
seems very nice for the money. I think that will be a
happy medium for me.
I am going to need two headsets (pilot and passanger),
so I think I'll just get two of these instead of
trying to get something even less expensive for the
passanger.
Thanks again! I'll write up a quick review after I
get a chance to try them out.
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Stoner" <john(at)dakotacubaircraft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Leading edge protective tapeIVO Prop Leading |
edge protective tapeIVO Prop Leading edge protective tape
Joel,
First, I have no hands on experience with warp propellors.
I have helped with the replacement of the stainless tape on an IVO.
Stripped the old tape off, clean with acetone, fill dings with light weight
body filler (bondo type stuff), sand smooth and touch up with glossy black.
The new self adhesive stainless tape came from an auto parts store.
Cut to shape with scissors, peel and stick on, and then outline with the
penetrating super glue (CA from the hobby shop).
A few hours over a couple of days and the Prop looked nearly new again.
Regards,
John Stoner
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 912S Starting Procedure |
>What is the best or most accepted way for starting this 912 engine?
>I do not have a primer on this thing and using the choke seems to
>have no effect.
As others have mentioned, the enrichment valve (it's not really a
choke) on the 912S does not have any effect unless the throttle is
completely closed. Here is what worked well for me:
Ignition switches.....OFF
Throttle..............IDLE
Enrichment valve......PULL
Starter...............ENGAGE (crank for 3 - 5 seconds)
Starter...............RELEASE
Enrichment valve......RELEASE
Wait 10 to 20 seconds
Ignition switches.....ON
Starter...............ENGAGE
It looks more complicated than it is and it started right up every
time with no vibration.
Mike G.
N728KF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gerns25(at)netscape.net |
| Subject: | Kitfox for Sale - Model III-912UL |
I hate to do this but I have some other responsibilities that need attention and
unfortunately, the airplane is the lowest on the "important list". What I have
is the most well built and cared for Kitfox I have ever seen. It is a model
III-Rotax 912UL that has many Classic IV upgrades built in during construction.
I have pics along with a spec sheet and a brief history of the plane that
I can email to anyone interested. This Kitfox was built through the covering
and paint stage by Ed Downs...as many of you know, Ed is the president of Skystar,
manufacturer of the Kitfox kits. Obviously he knows how to build a kitfox
correctly. If you have read the little blue book "How to Fly a Kitfox", this
is the airplane that is referred to in that book as "Spirit". The spec sheet
has a full history of the airplane, so I won't say anymore, other than to
reitterate that this Kitfox is one of the nicest and best built out there. It
was purchased from Ed by a friend here in Salt Lake City and the final assembly
was completed. I recently purchased it and really hate to sell it. It is
in immaculate condition, always hangered and has no damage history. Asking $26,500...no
low ball offers please...however, reasonable offers will be entertained.
Please email me at gerns25(at)netscape.net for picture and spec sheet requests.
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| Subject: | Windshield on Kitfdox IV |
I am rebuilding a Kitfox IV and would like some ideas on the material used
for the windshield and how to fit it without breaking. Also how do you adjust
the oil injection on a 582 for proper flow
Travis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMuller589(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Windshield on Kitfdox IV |
I would use Lexan (a polycarbonate) or PETG which is half Lexan and half
Acrylic/ both are "unbreakable" and last 10 years in sunlight. They can be
broken/torn with really severe treatment by a high speed drill but it is tough
to
do. Both can be cold formed in a vise and bent at 170 degree angles. Artists
use them for cold and hot forming. Lexan is most expensive but is available in
silicon coating for abrasion and chemical resistance, but less easily
formed with the coating. Both Lexan and PETG are subject to embrittlement when
soaked in gasoline for long. I have heard of but not been able to find
unbreakable acrylic. Lexan was used in the F-16 canopy but in a refueld first
flight
to England they went thru hig cirrus at thirty thousand feet and tit abraded
it to an opaque surface and had trouble landing; we then developed the silica
coating.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Peerenboom" <ppeerenbo(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 912S Starting Procedure |
The same works for me
Paul Model IV 912UL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gibbs" <MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912S Starting Procedure
>
>>What is the best or most accepted way for starting this 912 engine?
>>I do not have a primer on this thing and using the choke seems to
>>have no effect.
>
> As others have mentioned, the enrichment valve (it's not really a
> choke) on the 912S does not have any effect unless the throttle is
> completely closed. Here is what worked well for me:
>
> Ignition switches.....OFF
> Throttle..............IDLE
> Enrichment valve......PULL
> Starter...............ENGAGE (crank for 3 - 5 seconds)
> Starter...............RELEASE
> Enrichment valve......RELEASE
> Wait 10 to 20 seconds
> Ignition switches.....ON
> Starter...............ENGAGE
>
> It looks more complicated than it is and it started right up every
> time with no vibration.
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: headset advice |
A brief comment. I use the DRE 6000 and love them. ATC is crisp and clean
and I am wear hearing aids for what it's worth.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
>
> Mike,
> Hear is something else that may help... From Aviation consumer
> magazine
> December 2000. I think the cost should have been used as a reference
> rather then a scoring area because it skews the data. The other info is
> interesting...
> http://www.drecomm.com/Aviation%20Consumer%20ANR%20Evaluation1.htm
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: headset advice
>
>
> Mike,
> The single jack vs the dual jack is typically helicopter vs
> aircraft. You
> will find the dual jack more common. Headsets become a personal choice.
> Bose are fantastic headsets that are very pricy.. David Clarks (DC's) have
> always been an excellent headset. Light Speed is a popular choice.
> DRE-6000
> is what I sell and use in our aircraft.
>
> If you're looking for a new headset.. spend a little more and go with the
> noise canceling headsets.. it is worth it. I choose the DRE's because:
> They were comfortable and the Noise canceling was excellent. For $300 they
> were tough to beat.
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Ford
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: headset advice
>
>
> Does anyone have advice on picking out a headset?
>
> I'd like to do it on a budget, but I don't want to buy
> junk that I'll want to replace in a few months either.
>
> I haven't been able to find any real aircraft headset
> reviews.
>
> I just purchased a model IV Speedster, but when it
> gets here it will not have the headsets included. The
> hedset will need two jacks, which seems standard on GA
> plane headsets.
>
> Does anyone know where I can find general info on
> headset as well? For instance I don't know what the
> difference is between the dual jacks on GA planes and
> the single jack that I have on my ultralight headset.
>
> Thanks for any reply's!
> Mike
> Wausau, WI
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NGK Iridium BR8EIX Spark plug gap??NGK Iridium BR8EIX |
Spark plug gap??
I have been running NGK BR8EIX Iridium plugs for some time now in my Blue
head 582. I can't tell you how many hours exactly because my log book is not
here but I'm on my second set. One thing I'd mention is you should be using
non resistor caps with them.
I find they run much better than BR8ES normal plugs. On the box it says not
to regap them. I think this is due to the likelyhood of breaking the very
fine centre electrode so I just run them as they are and they are great.
Rex.
rexjan(at)bigpond.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NGK Iridium BR8EIX Spark plug gap??NGK Iridium BR8EIX |
Spark plug gap??
Rex,
What is the factory gap on these plugs (out of the box)?
Don Smythe
Classic IV W/ 582
----- Original Message ----- > I find they run much better than BR8ES
normal plugs. On the box it says not
> to regap them. I think this is due to the likelyhood of breaking the very
> fine centre electrode so I just run them as they are and they are great.
>
> Rex.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Iridium Plug Gap |
Rex,
What is the factory gap on these plugs (out of the box)?
Hi ! Don,
I don't actually know. My old plugs and the ones in the plane
now are all up at my hanger. I could measure them sometime I suppose but it
will be hard on used plugs. Even maybe risky on new plugs. The centre
electrode is only 0.6mm and I believe is the reason NGK say not to adjust.
For the same reason one would need to be careful just measuring. These plugs
also have a taper cut ground electrode.
As one will get a better spark from the fine centre electrode one would be
able to run a larger gap but as I say I haven't attempted to measured it. I
just figured I'd do as instructed and fit them as they were and they are
such a great improvement I just continue to use them as they are.
Rex.
rexjan(at)bigpond.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | 912 UL Ignition Problem |
My 912 UL has the older type ignition coils mounted behind the firewall. Today
as I was doing my runup one of the ignition systems was not working. Taxing
back to the hangar I noted that sometimes the suspect ignition system functions
ok and a minute later it was dead. My thought is a broken wire. Would appreciate
any suggestions on where to look.
Thanks
Jimmie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio |
Sometime back I purchased a VXA 700 Radio and promised the list that I would share
my experiences with this radio. Overall, the radio works very well and I
enjoy being able to use it as a aircraft radio, wx radio and ham radio. Anyone
contemplating buying one of these radios please contact me off list and I will
share some of the ups and downs of this handheld radio.
Bottom line is I would buy it again.
Jimmie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russell Marsolek" <rmarsole(at)luminet.net> |
| Subject: | Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio |
I love mine as well.
73's de N0QK
Blue Skies Aviation
Six Chuter Region #4 Flight Center Manager
Russell Marsolek
1176 West 5th. St.
Winona, MN 55987
Phone 507-452-6888
Email rmarsole(at)luminet.net
Web www.hbci.com/~rmarsole/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmie
Blackwell
Subject: Kitfox-List: Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio
Sometime back I purchased a VXA 700 Radio and promised the list that I would
share my experiences with this radio. Overall, the radio works very well
and I enjoy being able to use it as a aircraft radio, wx radio and ham
radio. Anyone contemplating buying one of these radios please contact me
off list and I will share some of the ups and downs of this handheld radio.
Bottom line is I would buy it again.
Jimmie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michel Verheughe <michel(at)online.no> |
| Subject: | Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio |
> From: Russell Marsolek [rmarsole(at)luminet.net]
> I love mine as well.
I'd love too, to be a flying ham. But ... I never work the two meters band, only
CW on the 20 and 40 meters. I can't imagine using my morse keyer while flying!
:-)
> 73's de N0QK
N0QK? Wow, how old are you, Russel? How did you get such a short callsign?
73 de LA0HA
(PS: Mine is relatively short too, because there are only 4 millions Norwegians
and that LA0 is reserved for the foreigners having a Norwegian license. When
I took mine, I was still Belgian citizen.)
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russell Marsolek" <rmarsole(at)luminet.net> |
| Subject: | Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio |
Had my callsign for quite a while. I use to be N0QKG till I became an
"Extra".
Two-Meters in the air is a real blast!
RLM / N0QK
Blue Skies Aviation
Six Chuter Region #4 Flight Center Manager
Russell Marsolek
1176 West 5th. St.
Winona, MN 55987
Phone 507-452-6888
Email rmarsole(at)luminet.net
Web www.hbci.com/~rmarsole/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio
> From: Russell Marsolek [rmarsole(at)luminet.net]
> I love mine as well.
I'd love too, to be a flying ham. But ... I never work the two meters band,
only CW on the 20 and 40 meters. I can't imagine using my morse keyer while
flying! :-)
> 73's de N0QK
N0QK? Wow, how old are you, Russel? How did you get such a short callsign?
73 de LA0HA
(PS: Mine is relatively short too, because there are only 4 millions
Norwegians and that LA0 is reserved for the foreigners having a Norwegian
license. When I took mine, I was still Belgian citizen.)
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <turboflyer(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio |
Say if we were both at 10,000 what do you think the range would be, without
repeaters.
Rick N656T KC6ART
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Russell
Marsolek
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio
Had my callsign for quite a while. I use to be N0QKG till I became an
"Extra".
Two-Meters in the air is a real blast!
RLM / N0QK
Blue Skies Aviation
Six Chuter Region #4 Flight Center Manager
Russell Marsolek
1176 West 5th. St.
Winona, MN 55987
Phone 507-452-6888
Email rmarsole(at)luminet.net
Web www.hbci.com/~rmarsole/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio
> From: Russell Marsolek [rmarsole(at)luminet.net]
> I love mine as well.
I'd love too, to be a flying ham. But ... I never work the two meters band,
only CW on the 20 and 40 meters. I can't imagine using my morse keyer while
flying! :-)
> 73's de N0QK
N0QK? Wow, how old are you, Russel? How did you get such a short callsign?
73 de LA0HA
(PS: Mine is relatively short too, because there are only 4 millions
Norwegians and that LA0 is reserved for the foreigners having a Norwegian
license. When I took mine, I was still Belgian citizen.)
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Hm Doud" <hmdoud(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | 13 gal fuel tank |
Hopefully some mkember will be able to help with my problem.
I have a Kitfox model 4 and have purchased a 13 gal fuel wing tank. I have a 6
gal tank on the right hand side and want to replace the 6 gal with the 13 gal.
I have searched and can't find the tank installation and fastening proceedure.
Altho I haven't cut into the wing top, I know that there must be some top rib
trimming to make way for the larger tank. I'm not clear on how the tank must
be secured and what to do about the much larger, unsupported fabric area which
will be on the tank top. I shouldn't think the the fabric would be glued to
the top of the fuel tank, but unless there is some sort of support, wouldn't
there be a problem with ballooning of the unsupported fabic?
Hopfully many of the members have gone thru this proceedure............Otherwise,
I may have to lash the tank onto the tail section, or possibly fabricate wings,
so that it might be towed.
Herb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russell Marsolek" <rmarsole(at)luminet.net> |
| Subject: | Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio |
Not sure but I talked one time on my HT over the Twin Cities and I was able
to get Winona (120 miles).
I would guess over 100 miles with the Vertex 700 but strictly a guess.
RLM
Blue Skies Aviation
Six Chuter Region #4 Flight Center Manager
Russell Marsolek
1176 West 5th. St.
Winona, MN 55987
Phone 507-452-6888
Email rmarsole(at)luminet.net
Web www.hbci.com/~rmarsole/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio
Say if we were both at 10,000 what do you think the range would be, without
repeaters.
Rick N656T KC6ART
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Russell
Marsolek
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio
Had my callsign for quite a while. I use to be N0QKG till I became an
"Extra".
Two-Meters in the air is a real blast!
RLM / N0QK
Blue Skies Aviation
Six Chuter Region #4 Flight Center Manager
Russell Marsolek
1176 West 5th. St.
Winona, MN 55987
Phone 507-452-6888
Email rmarsole(at)luminet.net
Web www.hbci.com/~rmarsole/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio
> From: Russell Marsolek [rmarsole(at)luminet.net]
> I love mine as well.
I'd love too, to be a flying ham. But ... I never work the two meters band,
only CW on the 20 and 40 meters. I can't imagine using my morse keyer while
flying! :-)
> 73's de N0QK
N0QK? Wow, how old are you, Russel? How did you get such a short callsign?
73 de LA0HA
(PS: Mine is relatively short too, because there are only 4 millions
Norwegians and that LA0 is reserved for the foreigners having a Norwegian
license. When I took mine, I was still Belgian citizen.)
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell(at)ev1.net> |
Just got a new oil cooler from Lockwood. Hoping that someone may have mounted
an oil cooler like the one on page 154 of the Lockwood catalog on a 912. I have
some ideas on how to mount it, but would like to see how others have mounted
this oil cooler.
Jimmie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | 13 gal fuel tank |
Hello Herb -
I have a 13 gallon tank in my KF 3...The in-board fabric is in fact fastened
to the fuel tank. This helps ease refueling - you can use it as an elbow
rest while you're supporting the jerry-can, and you do not need to worry
about the fabric moving/ripping etc...
Andrew
>From: "Hm Doud" <hmdoud(at)ev1.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Kitfox-List: 13 gal fuel tank
>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:58:52 -0700
>
>
>Hopefully some mkember will be able to help with my problem.
>
>I have a Kitfox model 4 and have purchased a 13 gal fuel wing tank. I have
>a 6 gal tank on the right hand side and want to replace the 6 gal with the
>13 gal.
>
>I have searched and can't find the tank installation and fastening
>proceedure. Altho I haven't cut into the wing top, I know that there must
>be some top rib trimming to make way for the larger tank. I'm not clear on
>how the tank must be secured and what to do about the much larger,
>unsupported fabric area which will be on the tank top. I shouldn't think
>the the fabric would be glued to the top of the fuel tank, but unless there
>is some sort of support, wouldn't there be a problem with ballooning of the
>unsupported fabic?
>
>Hopfully many of the members have gone thru this
>proceedure............Otherwise, I may have to lash the tank onto the tail
>section, or possibly fabricate wings, so that it might be towed.
>
>Herb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMuller589(at)AOL.COM |
In houston we've been flying 2 hrs daily with noon temps of 94F lately and
102 a couple of weeks ago. With only small eyelids in the door panels it's ok
in flight and doors open on ground, but putting it away and gassing up in
steel hangars is dehydrating and that's leaving the doors open while we're out.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> |
At 05:14 PM 7/27/2005, you wrote:
>
>Is all this heat causing everyone to sit in a cool room and vegetate? Was
>a blistering 102 in Eastern Virginia today (PHF).
Some of us are working hard in spite of the heat. (95F here most days. I
have to work mornings/evenings or fry.) I had a great day yesterday. The
degausser I rented from Sacramento Sky Ranch came in, and since I had it
for only a week I decided I'd better get to it. Well, it ended up taking
only a few hours, most of that time spent pulling the panel so I wouldn't
fry it. (I already had the engine out to do firewall work.) The actual
degauss probably only took 15 minutes. I went from having my compass locked
to a heading about 100 degrees off, to having it move a maximum of 10
degrees as I moved it around it's mounting area. It's nice to have
something work well for a change. (Yes, I've been having some fun lately.)
I'll keep the degausser for the full week, just in case things tend to
revert to their previous state, but with the frame demagnetized I'm cut
loose to put the engine back in, get it fully hooked up and maybe run it.
Who knows, maybe by this time next year I'll be flying! Woohoo!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99% done, thanks to Bob Ducar.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
Jimmie,
Wish I would have known you were looking for an Oil Cooler... I sell a very
nice and effective oil cooler it also has some low profile fittings. Give
me a shout on mounting.... May be able to help.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jimmie Blackwell
Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Cooler
Just got a new oil cooler from Lockwood. Hoping that someone may have
mounted an oil cooler like the one on page 154 of the Lockwood catalog on a
912. I have some ideas on how to mount it, but would like to see how others
have mounted this oil cooler.
Jimmie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Tucker" <harry(at)jts.co.uk> |
Hi
We have jsut recently seen some jury struts that were all metal (or very
well modified!) with speed fairings.
does anyone know where one can get these already made or speed fairings
for the Jury struts and the horiz stab support bars.
We have recently cleaned up a series 7 with;
wheel spats
speed fairings on : wing spars, jury struts, petrol tank filler caps &
horizantal stab
this has resulted in a 15 knot increase in speed at same power settings!
OR same speed and greatly reduced power settings.
Harry Tucker
PO Box 2830, White River 1240 South Africa
Tel ++ 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
Cell + 27 083 45 28824
Skype: harrytucker
Email: harry(at)htucker.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Ivo prop - In flight adjustable Medium Prop |
| From: | "Harry Tucker" <harry(at)jts.co.uk> |
Hi
We have been using these on all our planes but we get a lot of problems
with them.
Brushes wearing out, planetary drives breaking after 10 hours, electric
motors stopping due to grease getting to "hard".
Please remember we fly some 300 to 1000 hours per year!
Does anyone know of a good reliable in flight adjustable prop that does
not cost an arm and a leg and does not wiegh too much
thanks
Harry Tucker
PO Box 2830, White River 1240 South Africa
Tel ++ 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
Cell + 27 083 45 28824
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Monkhurst House, Sandy Cross
Heathfield, East Sussex, TN21 8QR
Phone: 01435 860100
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Ivo prop - In flight adjustable Medium Prop |
Harry,
You may want to take a look at operating procedures... I have been
operating the in-flight IVO for several hundred hours without interruption.
We also have a large group that is operating them. I have not had any
issues with the grease getting hard... However, the motor brushes can
sometimes carbon up.. this is easily fixed. How many planes do you have
operating them and how are they being used ?? Sounds like your in a
training environment... I know of 5 of us that are flying in excess of 300
hours a year (which is a hell of a lot of flying) using IVO without those
issues.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harry Tucker
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ivo prop - In flight adjustable Medium Prop
Hi
We have been using these on all our planes but we get a lot of problems
with them.
Brushes wearing out, planetary drives breaking after 10 hours, electric
motors stopping due to grease getting to "hard".
Please remember we fly some 300 to 1000 hours per year!
Does anyone know of a good reliable in flight adjustable prop that does
not cost an arm and a leg and does not wiegh too much
thanks
Harry Tucker
PO Box 2830, White River 1240 South Africa
Tel ++ 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
Cell + 27 083 45 28824
Skype: harrytucker
Email: harry(at)htucker.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMuller589(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Impression of KF IV on wheels |
I have found it easier and simpler to wheel land with full flaps than three
point on a KF V. It has a Subaru 135hp engine. We are operating it with a
forward cg and have difficulty getting full stick travel with our big bellies.
Have been considering another 5lb of lead in the tail or straightening out the
stick for more back travel. Every one who has flown it finds it real touchy
in three point attitudes.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "kirk hull" <kirkhull(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I have a Kitfox clasic VI that is almost ready to fly and I was thinking
about modifying a trailer to haul it on. Does any one out there tow their
fox forward? I always see aircraft being towed backward.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Aerobatics(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kit fox trailer I have one fully enclosed if interested... |
In a message dated 7/28/2005 6:27:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
kirkhull(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
I have a Kitfox clasic VI that is almost ready to fly and I was thinking
about modifying a trailer to haul it on. Does any one out there tow their
fox forward? I always see aircraft being towed backward.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell(at)ev1.net> |
A possible place for my oil cooler is to attach it to the back of the gear box
on my 912 which would mean it would be higher than the pictures I found on Sportflight.
I have seen one installation like this.
Anyone know of any particular problem with mounting the cooler above the engine?
Jimmie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Wilson <pwilson(at)climber.org> if interested... |
| Subject: | Re: Kit fox trailer I have one fully enclosed |
if interested...
For an enclosed trailer its just a mater of balance. I would think engine
forward would be best.
Paul
=================
At 05:28 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote:
>
>
>In a message dated 7/28/2005 6:27:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
>kirkhull(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>I have a Kitfox clasic VI that is almost ready to fly and I was thinking
>about modifying a trailer to haul it on. Does any one out there tow their
>fox forward? I always see aircraft being towed backward.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Wilson <pwilson(at)climber.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Speed fairings |
The lift struts I have examined were all builder fabricated. Just make
ribs and fold some .013Al flashing around the ribs and epoxy/rivet
together. The ribs can be made from thin plywood or rigid foam.
The jury struts I have examined were builder made from a dowel or balsa
wood and covered with fabric. I bet some body putty/filler was used for
smoothing.
The ones I saw showed excellent quality.
Paul
==========
At 01:53 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote:
>
>Hi
>
>We have jsut recently seen some jury struts that were all metal (or very
>well modified!) with speed fairings.
>does anyone know where one can get these already made or speed fairings
>for the Jury struts and the horiz stab support bars.
>
>We have recently cleaned up a series 7 with;
>wheel spats
>speed fairings on : wing spars, jury struts, petrol tank filler caps &
>horizantal stab
>
>this has resulted in a 15 knot increase in speed at same power settings!
>OR same speed and greatly reduced power settings.
>
>
>Harry Tucker
>PO Box 2830, White River 1240 South Africa
>Tel ++ 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
>Cell + 27 083 45 28824
>Skype: harrytucker
>Email: harry(at)htucker.com
>
>
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>does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.
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>expressed are those of the author, and do not necessarily represent those
>of Jt's Europe Ltd. Although Jt's Europe Ltd believes this email and
>any attachments are free of any virus or other defect which may affect
>a computer, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it
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>
>---
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>Monkhurst House, Sandy Cross
>Heathfield, East Sussex, TN21 8QR
>Phone: 01435 860100
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Hi, Jimmy,
I have never seen one mounted there, but it seems to be a reasonable
location as, in my experience, the coolers are quite efficient and some flow
restriction for the cooling air is the norm. My thought is, if it fits give
it a try and see if it works. The only downside I can think of is the
length of the oil line hoses.
Lowell.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Blackwell" <jablackwell(at)ev1.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Oil Cooler
>
>
> A possible place for my oil cooler is to attach it to the back of the gear
> box on my 912 which would mean it would be higher than the pictures I
> found on Sportflight. I have seen one installation like this.
>
> Anyone know of any particular problem with mounting the cooler above the
> engine?
>
> Jimmie
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Speed fairings |
I made mine by fabricating a mold of wood, waxed it well and used some PVA
mold release and layed a couple of layers of light weight glass cloth in
epoxy. Popped them off the mold (three pieces per side) and glued them in
place, finishing the ends and joints with Micro. If you decide to go this
route. Tweak the jury struts to fit closely before finisheng. I did on one
side and forgot to on the other side and when stretching the jury strut to
fit, it cracked the fairing at the bottim of the "N".
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson(at)climber.org>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Speed fairings
>
> The lift struts I have examined were all builder fabricated. Just make
> ribs and fold some .013Al flashing around the ribs and epoxy/rivet
> together. The ribs can be made from thin plywood or rigid foam.
> The jury struts I have examined were builder made from a dowel or balsa
> wood and covered with fabric. I bet some body putty/filler was used for
> smoothing.
> The ones I saw showed excellent quality.
> Paul
> ==========
> At 01:53 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>Hi
>>
>>We have jsut recently seen some jury struts that were all metal (or very
>>well modified!) with speed fairings.
>>does anyone know where one can get these already made or speed fairings
>>for the Jury struts and the horiz stab support bars.
>>
>>We have recently cleaned up a series 7 with;
>>wheel spats
>>speed fairings on : wing spars, jury struts, petrol tank filler caps &
>>horizantal stab
>>
>>this has resulted in a 15 knot increase in speed at same power settings!
>>OR same speed and greatly reduced power settings.
>>
>>
>>Harry Tucker
>>PO Box 2830, White River 1240 South Africa
>>Tel ++ 27 13 751 5018 Fax:++ 27 11 507 5339
>>Cell + 27 083 45 28824
>>Skype: harrytucker
>>Email: harry(at)htucker.com
>>
>>
>> DISCLAIMER
>>Internet communications are not secure and therefore Jt's Europe Ltd
>>does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.
>>If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately
>>and do not disclose the contents to any third party. Any views or opinions
>>expressed are those of the author, and do not necessarily represent those
>>of Jt's Europe Ltd. Although Jt's Europe Ltd believes this email and
>>any attachments are free of any virus or other defect which may affect
>>a computer, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it
>>is virus-free and Jt's Europe Ltd does not accept any responsibility
>>for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use.
>>
>>
>>---
>>Rekar Ltd
>>Monkhurst House, Sandy Cross
>>Heathfield, East Sussex, TN21 8QR
>>Phone: 01435 860100
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Aerobatics(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Speed fairings Just finished adding last week |
I simply bought Balsa wood from Balsa USA carved the airfoil shape... then
glassed with 4 oz .... 3 coats of primer the one coat of spray....
Looks great...;-)
Dave KF 2 582 BH
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "kirk hull" <kirkhull(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Kit fox trailer I have one fully enclosed if interested... |
I have the remains ( frame ) of an old pop up trailer and was hoping to turn
it into a plane trailer. as you said , weight and ballance if better with
the enging forward but with all of the open trailers I have seen the
aircraft is towed backward.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Wilson
if interested...
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kit fox trailer I have one fully enclosed if
interested...
interested...
For an enclosed trailer its just a mater of balance. I would think engine
forward would be best.
Paul
=================
At 05:28 PM 7/28/2005, you wrote:
>
>
>In a message dated 7/28/2005 6:27:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
>kirkhull(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>I have a Kitfox clasic VI that is almost ready to fly and I was thinking
>about modifying a trailer to haul it on. Does any one out there tow
their
>fox forward? I always see aircraft being towed backward.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Vertex Standard VXA 700 Handheld Radio |
Years ago over the San Juan Islands of Washington State I was operating 2
meters and heard a familiar call, W7GEN, so I replied. Dennis lived in
Bremerton at the time so I thought nothing of it until he told me he was
mobile eastbound from Portland Oregon on Highway 84, a distance of at least
160 miles from my position. On another occasion I served as a simplex
repeater during a SET exercise, doing 360's at 4000' over the middle of the
county. It would have been a lot easier if I had someone else to handle the
radio traffic while I was flying!
Joel N7CGZ (gear in storage)
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "randy bortree" <plane6013(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 1 for sale |
> > I am, going to sell my Kit Fox 1 It has about 60 hrs, Mosler.1835
engine 9.5 gal gas tank registration number N503JH. $
13500.00 with trailer will deliver eastern USA If interested email me off
list or call me at 336-465-1059 EMAIL plane6013(at)earthlink.net
Randy
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Model IV Speedster offered for sale |
| From: | Norman P Vrooman <normv1(at)juno.com> |
List,
I have my subject aircraft listed on the www.Barnstormers.com web site.
Anyone interested please take a look.
Regards,
Norm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| From: | "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris(at)intuit.com> |
Subject: Pulling Kitfox up Trailer Ramps
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:47:13 -0700
Pulling Kitfox up Trailer Ramps--
Where can I attach my winch cable so I can pull my KF onto a trailer? Is the
tail spring a good place or will that damage the tail spring?
Robert
KF V
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | New Member and question |
| From: | "Dan McIntyre" <danm(at)gangnailtruss.com> |
Just got back to work on my model IV after having been in storage for over a year.
Had career and financial problems that brought every thing to a halt. It feels
good getting back to work on N434DM. I'm about 65 to 70% complete and I'm
currently covering the wings.
I do have one question for the list, what is the best seal between the cowling
and the windscreen, can't seem to find much information about it.
Thanks
Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox model IV, Jab 2200, N434DM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| From: | "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris(at)intuit.com> |
Subject: Rubber channelRE: Kitfox-List: New Member and question
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:26:09 -0700
Look on page 127 of the Aircraft Spruce book or go on line and type in part
number 05-01300. I just ordered a foot of this from ACS and looks like it
should work well. I saw this type of rubber channel on another KF a few
weeks ago.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan McIntyre
Subject: Kitfox-List: New Member and question
Just got back to work on my model IV after having been in storage for over a
year. Had career and financial problems that brought every thing to a halt.
It feels good getting back to work on N434DM. I'm about 65 to 70% complete
and I'm currently covering the wings.
I do have one question for the list, what is the best seal between the
cowling and the windscreen, can't seem to find much information about it.
Thanks
Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox model IV, Jab 2200, N434DM
________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Fw: SOLDIER'S FUNERAL (TEXAS STYLE] & They Need Our Prayers
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:51:07 -0400
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This has been checked for virus and is clean!! Takes awhile to download but please
take the time to wait watch and listen as i believe God is great and Still
In all our Hearts! Please America pass this along and honor our fallen and know
they are Blessed so that we might be a better America!!
God Bless our Service Men & Women now and forever!! Send this to all you know and
be proud! When I came home from Viet Nam there were no flags so that much we
have learned from the past!! Love a vet and honor all of them!! God keep all
who are serving now in your Glory!!
God Bless!!
Gary S
Subject: Fw: SOLDIER'S FUNERAL (TEXAS STYLE] & They Need Our Prayers
What follows is a message from Vicki Pierce about
her nephew James' funeral (he was serving our country in Iraq):
"I'm back, it was certainly a quick trip, but I
have to also say it was one of the most amazing experiences of my life. There
is a lot to be said for growing up in a small town in Texas. The service itself
was impressive with wonderful flowers and sprays, a portrait of James, his
uniform and boots, his awards and ribbons. There was lots of military brass and
an eloquent (though inappropriately longwinded) Baptist preacher. There were
easily 1000 people at the service, filling the church sanctuary as well as the
fellowship hall and spilling out into the parking lot.
However, the most incredible thing was what happened
following the service on the way to the cemetery. We went to our cars and
drove to the cemetery escorted by at least 10 police cars with lights flashing
and some other emergency vehicles, with Texas Rangers handling traffic. Everyone
on the road who was not in the procession, pulled over, got out of their
cars, and stood silently and respectfully, some put their hands over their
hearts.
When we turned off the highway suddenly there were
teenage boys along both sides of the street about every 20 feet or so, all
holding large American flags on long flag poles, and again with their hands on
their hearts. We thought at first it was the Boy Scouts or 4H club or something,
but it continued .... for two and a half miles. Hundreds of young people,
standing silently on the side of the road with flags. At one point we passed
an elementary school, and all the children were outside, shoulder to shoulder
holding flags ... kindergartners, handicapped, teachers, staff, everyone.
Some held signs of love and support. Then came teenage girls and younger boys,
all holding flags. Then adults. Then families. All standing silently on the
side of the road. No one spoke, not even the very young children.
The military presence..at least two generals, a
fist full of colonels, and representatives from every branch of the service,
plus the color guard which attended James, and some who served with him ... was
very impressive and respectful, but the love and pride from this community who
had lost one of their own was the most amazing thing I've ever been privileged
to witness.
I've attached some pictures, some are blurry (we
were moving), but you can get a small idea of what this was like. Thanks so
much for all the prayers and support."
These photos are awesome!!
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"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect
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Prayer Request: When you receive this, please stop
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Airman, Marine &others
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">Todd Bashaw ; Kim Hattie
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Subject: Fw: SOLDIER'S FUNERAL (TEXAS STYLE] They Need Our
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----- Original Message -----
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">johncindy ; john c ; JJ Ogborn ; jim johnson ; Jill Lorenz ; Jennifer Steve Faulk ; jackiemacdon(at)yahoo.com ; Jackie/Greg Glenn
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Subject: Fw: SOLDIER'S FUNERAL (TEXAS STYLE] They Need Our
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This has been checked for virus and is
clean!! Takes awhile to download but please take the time to wait watch and
listen as i believe God is great and Still In all our Hearts! Please America
pass this along and honor our fallen and know they are Blessed so that we might
be a better America!!
God Bless our Service Men Women now
and forever!! Send this to all you know and be proud! When I came home from Viet
Nam there were no flags so that much we have learned from the past!! Love a vet
and honor all of them!! God keep all who are serving now in your
Glory!!
God Bless!!
Gary S
Subject: Fw: SOLDIER'S FUNERAL
(TEXAS STYLE] They Need Our Prayers
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What follows is a message
from Vicki Pierce about her nephew James'
funeral (he was serving our country in
Iraq):
"I'm back, it was
certainly a quick trip, but I have to also say
it was one of the most amazing experiences of my
life. There is a lot to be said for growing up
in a small town in Texas. The service
itself was impressive with wonderful flowers and
sprays, a portrait of James, his uniform and
boots, his awards and ribbons. There was lots of
military brass and an eloquent (though
inappropriately longwinded) Baptist preacher.
There were easily 1000 people at the service,
filling the church sanctuary as well as the
fellowship hall and spilling out into the
parking lot.
However,
the most incredible thing was what happened
following the service on the way to the
cemetery. We went to our cars and drove to
the cemetery escorted by at least 10 police cars
with lights flashing and some other emergency
vehicles, with Texas Rangers handling traffic.
Everyone on the road who was not in the
procession, pulled over, got out of their cars,
and stood silently and respectfully, some put
their hands over their hearts.
When we
turned off the highway suddenly there were
teenage boys along both sides of the street
about every 20 feet or so, all holding large
American flags on long flag poles, and again
with their hands on their hearts. We
thought at first it was the Boy Scouts or 4H
club or something, but it continued .... for two
and a half miles. Hundreds of young
people, standing silently on the side of the
road with flags. At one point we passed an
elementary school, and all the children were
outside, shoulder to shoulder holding flags ...
kindergartners, handicapped, teachers, staff,
everyone. Some held signs of love and
support. Then came teenage girls and
younger boys, all holding flags. Then
adults. Then families. All standing
silently on the side of the road. No one
spoke, not even the very young children.
The
military presence..at least two generals, a fist
full of colonels, and representatives from every
branch of the service, plus the color guard
which attended James, and some who served with
him ... was very impressive and respectful, but
the love and pride from this community who had
lost one of their own was the most amazing thing
I've ever been privileged to witness.
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I've
attached some pictures, some are blurry (we were
moving), but you can get a small idea of what
this was like. Thanks so much for all the
prayers and
support."
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These
photos are
awesome!!
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