Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-cl
October 15, 2005 - October 25, 2005
hard for them with unnecessary negative feedback they have a good chance of
coming good in the end. Yes they probably could try harder to answer the
phone and be honest about deliveries. However they can't deliver what they
don't have and can't get. If you wan't Skystar there please give them a go.
They have admitted to this list only about 12 months ago that their problems
were financial based. I think that was very difficult for them to do. Give
them credit for that !
Yes I do understand if you are on the wrong end of the stick and not getting
things especially if you have paid for them. If that's your personal
experience then you do have the right to complain but consider first.
Perhaps your complaining might even be the straw that breaks the camels back
so that in fact the goods you are waiting for that would have eventually
come might then not come at all because Skystar does dissapear.
Rex.
rexjan(at)bigpond.com
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| From: | <highwaystar47(at)yahoo.com> |
Ordered the kitfox pilot's guide and it came today in the snail mail. All went
well, sent check and in less then 2 weeks got my order. I know it was not much,
but!
Steve
Barrington, NH
http://websites.expercraft.com/highwaystar/ My web page.
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| From: | Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> |
At 02:59 PM 10/15/2005, you wrote:
>Make sure that the fiberglass back plate is secured to the prop flange
>with wide diameter washers.
The UHS folks sent fender and flat washers to be stacked over the holes.
Hopefully that will prove to be enough, as I'm going to forego the carbon
plate for now. I've mounted the spinner and was disappointed with the holes
cut for the prop. I recommend to all to order their UHS spinner plain and
cut the holes themselves. The cuts and measurements are very simple and
anyone can do a neater job than UHS. If I'd been smart I'd have mounted it
before I painted it, noticed the problem, and then sent it back for an
un-cut unit. Oh well. More silk purses from sow's ears. It appears to run
true, however.
Thanks John,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| From: | Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
At 02:24 PM 10/15/2005, you wrote:
>I replaced the pins with AN45-32 eyebolts, castellated nuts and cotters. I
>can then use the eyebolts as lifting eyes when changing from wheels to
>floats and back.
This is a great idea. I personally think the spar holes should be captured
with bolts. Otherwise there's no requirement that they stay in contact with
the associated fuselage frame tube. With a clevis, the spar reinforcements
can splay up and down, bending the clevis pin and ultimately failing. (I
know, it's never happened.) Capturing the spars keeps them round and the
attachment bolts in (almost) pure shear.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| From: | Ceashman(at)aol.com |
>The UHS folks sent fender and flat washers to be stacked over the holes.
>Hopefully that will prove to be enough,
I thought there had to be a thick aluminum plate between the prop bolts heads
and the prop hub.
This could be reference with only the Warp Drive ground adjustable prop, I
don't know?
And together with the smaller nuts and bolts (4 per blade) all of this
sandwiched the two hub halves and secured the adjusted blades.
Right now, I cant remember if the thick aluminum plate came with the prop or
the spinner assembly!
Best of luck with the new components. Eric.
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| From: | Aerobatics(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 10/16/2005 7:52:27 AM Central Daylight Time, Ceashm
an(at)aol.com writes:
>The UHS folks sent fender and flat washers to be stacked over the holes.
>Hopefully that will prove to be enough,
I thought there had to be a thick aluminum plate between the prop bolts
heads
and the prop hub.
This could be reference with only the Warp Drive ground adjustable prop, I
don't know?
And together with the smaller nuts and bolts (4 per blade) all of this
sandwiched the two hub halves and secured the adjusted blades.
Right now, I cant remember if the thick aluminum plate came with the prop or
the spinner assembly!
Best of luck with the new components. Eric.
Been solong since I installed mine dont remember......
but, I follwed thier directions and it has been perfect...:-)
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| From: | Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> |
At 05:49 AM 10/16/2005, you wrote:
>I thought there had to be a thick aluminum plate between the prop bolts heads
>and the prop hub.
I'm pretty sure this is only for wood props. The HP Warp Drive hub is a
solid mass of aluminum so I don't think an additional aluminum plate's
going to do much.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| From: | Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> |
As I'm nearing final completion, (one wing on today before the rain hit,)
I'm measuring various items. Today it was toe-in. As the previous builder
had built new, stronger, tube gear I assumed, wrongly, that he would put it
together straight. Unfortunately, it appears I've got about 3/4 degree
toe-in per wheel when level and about 1.5 degree toe-in per wheel when on
the tail wheel. He built the wheels cambered in about 5 degrees, so the
toe-in goes from negative to positive as the tube gear pivots. I'd guess
it's 0 at about max deflection. I guess I'll learn more during taxi and
early flight tests.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| From: | "flier" <flier(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
Why bolts?
Long before the tension & compression forces on the wings (that put shear on
the fore & aft pins/bolts) would ever cause failure of either the clevis
pins in the front, the bolts in the rear, or failure of the spar attach
points for that matter, you'll find those little threaded AN fittings
rosette welded into the lift struts ends will fail from the flight loads.
If the wings were being slung like rotors I guess there might be a concern.
However, the weak point in the kitfox wings are the upper lift strut attach
points.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Clevis movement
At 02:24 PM 10/15/2005, you wrote:
>I replaced the pins with AN45-32 eyebolts, castellated nuts and cotters. I
>can then use the eyebolts as lifting eyes when changing from wheels to
>floats and back.
This is a great idea. I personally think the spar holes should be captured
with bolts. Otherwise there's no requirement that they stay in contact with
the associated fuselage frame tube. With a clevis, the spar reinforcements
can splay up and down, bending the clevis pin and ultimately failing. (I
know, it's never happened.) Capturing the spars keeps them round and the
attachment bolts in (almost) pure shear.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| From: | "kirk hull" <kirkhull(at)sbcglobal.net> |
As I am finishing my molel IV I have the same probles with the factory gear.
Dont remember the exact #s but I wonder if this is normal? Any one Know?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Subject: Kitfox-List: Toe in again
As I'm nearing final completion, (one wing on today before the rain hit,)
I'm measuring various items. Today it was toe-in. As the previous builder
had built new, stronger, tube gear I assumed, wrongly, that he would put it
together straight. Unfortunately, it appears I've got about 3/4 degree
toe-in per wheel when level and about 1.5 degree toe-in per wheel when on
the tail wheel. He built the wheels cambered in about 5 degrees, so the
toe-in goes from negative to positive as the tube gear pivots. I'd guess
it's 0 at about max deflection. I guess I'll learn more during taxi and
early flight tests.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| From: | Aerobatics(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: KF II Motor Mount on ebay |
curious what is the difference...?
I have a KF2 .... had an 532 original box and installed a 582 BH "E" box,
took some doing but engine mount was the same....
Thanks
Dave
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| From: | "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Toe in again |
Hi Guy,
On hard surface runways (blacktop, concrete), you and your Kitfox will
probably do a lot of "dancing", unless the two toe-ins are near perfect. I
had one near 0, the other toed in a bit, and it sure did "dance" on landing.
Takeoffs were ok.
Cheers,
bh
> As I'm nearing final completion, (one wing on today before the rain hit,)
> I'm measuring various items. Today it was toe-in. As the previous builder
> had built new, stronger, tube gear I assumed, wrongly, that he would put
> it
> together straight. Unfortunately, it appears I've got about 3/4 degree
> toe-in per wheel when level and about 1.5 degree toe-in per wheel when on
> the tail wheel. He built the wheels cambered in about 5 degrees, so the
> toe-in goes from negative to positive as the tube gear pivots. I'd guess
> it's 0 at about max deflection. I guess I'll learn more during taxi and
> early flight tests.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
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| From: | kerrjohna(at)comcast.net |
some time ago there was a discussion about batteries for 'Foxes and a site was
given "batteries4everthing". Does anyone know what model number/brand fits the
plastic battery case that came with the model IV kit.
The Yacht brand battery I have been using fails after about 12 months.
John Kerr
some time ago there was a discussion about batteries for 'Foxes and a site was
given "batteries4everthing". Does anyone know what model number/brand fits the
plastic battery case that came with the model IV kit.
The Yacht brand battery I have been using fails after about 12 months.
John Kerr
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| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
John,
I have been using a sealed battery over the last 2 years and have been
very
pleased.. have sold several of them. About half way down the page....
http://sportplanellc.com/Products.htm
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery
some time ago there was a discussion about batteries for 'Foxes and a site
was given "batteries4everthing". Does anyone know what model number/brand
fits the plastic battery case that came with the model IV kit.
The Yacht brand battery I have been using fails after about 12 months.
John Kerr
some time ago there was a discussion about batteries for 'Foxes and a site
was given "batteries4everthing". Does anyone know what model number/brand
fits the plastic battery case that came with the model IV kit.
The Yacht brand battery I have been using fails after about 12 months.
John Kerr
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| From: | rliebmann(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Need Series 5 cowling |
Hi Listers,
Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top & bottom cowl. It must be the one
for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for sale too.
Thanks, Ron N55KF
Hi Listers,
Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top bottom cowl. It must be the one for
the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for sale too.
Thanks, Ron N55KF
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| From: | "quichotte_40" <quichotte_40(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | rear spar spacer |
hi, I`m building the wings for my c4 and it is not clear to me if the
rear spar bracket location dimension of 96 1/4 should be measured
from the rear spar root location with or without the 1/2 inch spacer
on the wing fixture. Should the dimension be taken from the spar
tube beginning or from behind the spacer. thank`s to all. JF
Hebert
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| From: | "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ(at)numail.org> |
| Subject: | Upper Strut Attach Point |
OK, someone finally said it.
I have thought for sometime now that the upper strut attach point (5/16 bolt in
tension) is the weak spot in the KF airframe. I don't know of or have not heard
of a failure, (but if it did).
Has anyone else looked at this or contemplated a re-enforcement or is it just fine
and Aeroncas and Cubs and 120s just way over built?
Brett
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| From: | "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Upper Strut Attach Point |
I think John McBean has a reinforcement kit for this. I have seen pics of
it, but not installed in a real airplane. From a technical standpoint, isn't
that bolt, pin, etc, in shear, not tension?
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett Walmsley
Subject: Kitfox-List: Upper Strut Attach Point
OK, someone finally said it.
I have thought for sometime now that the upper strut attach point (5/16 bolt
in tension) is the weak spot in the KF airframe. I don't know of or have not
heard of a failure, (but if it did).
Has anyone else looked at this or contemplated a re-enforcement or is it
just fine and Aeroncas and Cubs and 120s just way over built?
Brett
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| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although the
phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to get
the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from the
courts.
As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
them please give us a shout if we can help.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| From: | "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net> |
Thanks for the verification, John. I have been getting messages from various
sources and trying to get this substantiated today before sending it out to
the list.
This is not the end, though. There are buyers in the wings waiting to take
over the assets and the business. I doubt if they will take over any debt or
obligations, however. Chapter 7 is the "bad" bankruptcy, where the business
is essentially dissolved and must sell off everything.
Good luck to Frank Miller and the rest of the SS staff, I know they tried
hard to avoid this.
As John said, this list will continue and we will provide support to each
other.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Subject: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although the
phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to get
the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from the
courts.
As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
them please give us a shout if we can help.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| From: | "flier" <flier(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Upper Strut Attach Point |
Don, I don't think John has a kit for the lift strut? We're talking the
upper rod end fittings.
When Skystar did the original static load tests it was the AN threaded
fitting that failed. With that said, the spars were so close to failure
that it probably didn't matter anyway. Personally, I wouldn't worry about
those rod end fittings unless you're used to pulling over 5Gs regularly.
Negative loading will yield at somewhat less since those threaded fittings
will bend prior to failure but we're still talking over 4Gs negative if I
remember correctly.
Either way, I wouldn't sweat the struts...
Regards,
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Upper Strut Attach Point
I think John McBean has a reinforcement kit for this. I have seen pics of
it, but not installed in a real airplane. From a technical standpoint, isn't
that bolt, pin, etc, in shear, not tension?
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brett Walmsley
Subject: Kitfox-List: Upper Strut Attach Point
OK, someone finally said it.
I have thought for sometime now that the upper strut attach point (5/16 bolt
in tension) is the weak spot in the KF airframe. I don't know of or have not
heard of a failure, (but if it did).
Has anyone else looked at this or contemplated a re-enforcement or is it
just fine and Aeroncas and Cubs and 120s just way over built?
Brett
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| From: | "Len Shorethose" <toolowterrain(at)gmail.com> |
Just a note to all those who are waiting on parts or entire kits like
myself. You may have some protection if you ordered anything from Skystar
and paid with a credit card. Just call your credit card company and have
the charges reversed. I have done so already with the $20K that I gave them
the last six months while waiting for my Series 7. I'm told that I will
receive a complete refund. We'll see.
Now does anyone know of a buyer for my zero time Lycoming O-235L2C ?
Len Shorethose
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
>
>
> Thanks for the verification, John. I have been getting messages from
> various
> sources and trying to get this substantiated today before sending it out
> to
> the list.
>
> This is not the end, though. There are buyers in the wings waiting to take
> over the assets and the business. I doubt if they will take over any debt
> or
> obligations, however. Chapter 7 is the "bad" bankruptcy, where the
> business
> is essentially dissolved and must sell off everything.
>
> Good luck to Frank Miller and the rest of the SS staff, I know they tried
> hard to avoid this.
>
> As John said, this list will continue and we will provide support to each
> other.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
> To: Kitfox List
> Subject: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
>
>
> I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
> Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although
> the
> phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to
> get
> the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
> was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from
> the
> courts.
>
> As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
> Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
> them please give us a shout if we can help.
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
> www.sportplanellc.com <http://www.sportplanellc.com/>
> "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
>
>
>
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| From: | "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com> |
I just talked to one of the lucky ones who recieved parts last week from skystar.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom(at)mcmsys.com
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| From: | "david yeamans" <dafox(at)ckt.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
Don,
I think what you are doing with the front spars using Castle Bolts and
nuts with cotter pins
are the best thing anyone can do. I had the same problem Bill In Maine had with
the Clevis bolt
creeping up, and didn't notice until I did my annual Conditioning inspection.
The Safety pin on
the left wing only, was extra tight and had started to wear. I exchanged it for
a cotter pin which
was a lot stronger, but I am going to change it to a Castle Bolt and Nut with cotter
pin. I only fold
the wings back once a year so certainly no inconvienious . This was a topic
a year ago or so
and there is really nothing to worry about. The Clevis bolt could come clear out
while flying, and
aerodynamic's would keep the wing going forward.
David Yeamans
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Smythe
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
Loyd,
Good question. I opted to do the same but I use castle nuts w/ cotter
pins on the front. I don't torque them down to any specific torque but
rather run them down and just add a little more. I don't want to squeeze
too much. Any pro's to this procedure would be appreciated.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds(at)chartermi.net>
To:
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
> Bill,
> Never had the problem but also never liked the idea of the clevised pin
> either. I opted to use a threaded bolt with Nylock in the front the same
> as
> the rear, I liked the idea of keeping everything drawn tight, but I also
> never checked with Skystar to see if there was any flaws in my thinking.
> Anyone else?
> Lloyd
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
> To:
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
>
>>
>> Here's a situation I discovered the other day and I wonder if anyone on
>> the list has experienced something similar.
>>
>> The clevis pin that attaches the right front spar to the carry thru wants
>> to work its way up. This may have been going on forever but I just
>> noticed that the safety pin was up solidly against the spar about 11
>> flight hours ago and pounded the clevis pin fully down. The clevis pin
>> is
>> now about halfway back up. There is obviously motion somewhere.
>>
>> There is no obvious looseness in the joint. The left wing doesn't
>> manifest this tendency at all. I have a 13 gallon tank on the right and
>> fly with it from full to 1/2 full all the time. I don't put any gas in
>> my
>> left tank and have shutoffs to keep the tanks from cross feeding. In
>> other words the right wing weighs 50 pounds or so more than the left.
>>
>> Other than to note that the safety pins are in there for a reason I have
>> no idea if this is a common event or if my plane is unique. Nor do I
>> know
>> if it is a symptom of something bad.
>>
>> So if any one has this happening I'd surely like to know and what, if
>> anything, was done to correct it.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>> Bill in Maine
>> IV-1200 (582) with 160 hours
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com> |
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Unternaehrer
Subject: Parts
I just talked to one of the lucky ones who recieved parts last week from skystar.
Blue Skies
Bob Unternaehrer
shilocom(at)mcmsys.com
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| From: | "david yeamans" <dafox(at)ckt.net> |
Rex,
My very Sentiments, Bravo !!!!!
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Rex & Jan Shaw
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
Does anyone else have problems with Skystar?
We bought 10 kits and brought them to South Africa 1 year ago.
To be honest the level of service from Skystar since Ed Downs left has been
non existent.
They never answer emails, never return phone calls, never send out an order
without being chased and even then only after several months.
Does anyone know what is going on as they have not been answering their
phones at all for 3 days and the message answering service is FULL and will
take no more messages.
Will they go bust OR what?
Guys I had my own business for over 30yrs before I sold out and retired. A
couple of years in we ran close to the wind financially. At that time we
couldn't buy what we wanted. Our credit rating was shaky and we couldn't
always supply what the customer wanted. Staff was cut back and so service
was difficult to maintain. However we struggled through and went on to do
very well.
I know we all need to have Skystar there and I think if we don't make it too
hard for them with unnecessary negative feedback they have a good chance of
coming good in the end. Yes they probably could try harder to answer the
phone and be honest about deliveries. However they can't deliver what they
don't have and can't get. If you wan't Skystar there please give them a go.
They have admitted to this list only about 12 months ago that their problems
were financial based. I think that was very difficult for them to do. Give
them credit for that !
Yes I do understand if you are on the wrong end of the stick and not getting
things especially if you have paid for them. If that's your personal
experience then you do have the right to complain but consider first.
Perhaps your complaining might even be the straw that breaks the camels back
so that in fact the goods you are waiting for that would have eventually
come might then not come at all because Skystar does dissapear.
Rex.
rexjan(at)bigpond.com
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| From: | "Graeme Toft" <msm(at)byterocky.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
Is that a fact that the wing will stay in its flying configuration even if
the clevis pins comes out?. I'm having a bit of trouble getting my head
around that one. Could someone please explain how because my gut feel is
that the wing would fold back immediately the pin was released.
Graeme Toft
----- Original Message -----
From: "david yeamans" <dafox(at)ckt.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
> Don,
>
> I think what you are doing with the front spars using Castle Bolts
> and nuts with cotter pins
> are the best thing anyone can do. I had the same problem Bill In Maine
> had with the Clevis bolt
> creeping up, and didn't notice until I did my annual Conditioning
> inspection. The Safety pin on
> the left wing only, was extra tight and had started to wear. I exchanged
> it for a cotter pin which
> was a lot stronger, but I am going to change it to a Castle Bolt and Nut
> with cotter pin. I only fold
> the wings back once a year so certainly no inconvienious . This was a
> topic a year ago or so
> and there is really nothing to worry about. The Clevis bolt could come
> clear out while flying, and
> aerodynamic's would keep the wing going forward.
>
>
> David Yeamans
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Smythe
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
>
> Loyd,
> Good question. I opted to do the same but I use castle nuts w/
> cotter
> pins on the front. I don't torque them down to any specific torque but
> rather run them down and just add a little more. I don't want to squeeze
> too much. Any pro's to this procedure would be appreciated.
>
> Don Smythe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds(at)chartermi.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
>
> <7suds(at)chartermi.net>
> >
> > Bill,
> > Never had the problem but also never liked the idea of the clevised pin
> > either. I opted to use a threaded bolt with Nylock in the front the
> same
> > as
> > the rear, I liked the idea of keeping everything drawn tight, but I
> also
> > never checked with Skystar to see if there was any flaws in my
> thinking.
> > Anyone else?
> > Lloyd
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Here's a situation I discovered the other day and I wonder if anyone
> on
> >> the list has experienced something similar.
> >>
> >> The clevis pin that attaches the right front spar to the carry thru
> wants
> >> to work its way up. This may have been going on forever but I just
> >> noticed that the safety pin was up solidly against the spar about 11
> >> flight hours ago and pounded the clevis pin fully down. The clevis
> pin
> >> is
> >> now about halfway back up. There is obviously motion somewhere.
> >>
> >> There is no obvious looseness in the joint. The left wing doesn't
> >> manifest this tendency at all. I have a 13 gallon tank on the right
> and
> >> fly with it from full to 1/2 full all the time. I don't put any gas
> in
> >> my
> >> left tank and have shutoffs to keep the tanks from cross feeding. In
> >> other words the right wing weighs 50 pounds or so more than the left.
> >>
> >> Other than to note that the safety pins are in there for a reason I
> have
> >> no idea if this is a common event or if my plane is unique. Nor do I
> >> know
> >> if it is a symptom of something bad.
> >>
> >> So if any one has this happening I'd surely like to know and what, if
> >> anything, was done to correct it.
> >>
> >> Thanks very much.
> >> Bill in Maine
> >> IV-1200 (582) with 160 hours
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> |
| Subject: | Upper Strut Attach Point |
At 06:42 PM 10/17/2005, you wrote:
>Personally, I wouldn't worry about
>those rod end fittings unless you're used to pulling over 5Gs regularly.
Well,
You got me thinking. A bad thing. Blew an entire evening.
individual strut load of 757 pounds, assuming constant loading over the
span and both struts loaded equally. (A dubious assumption, at best.) My
strut ends are Aurora MW-4H-12's, which appear to be custom units,
consisting of 5/16" bodies with 9/16" wide balls drilled to 1/4. Since
Skystar supplied AN hardware, this was a reasonable thing to do. Now my
Aurora catalog shows MW-5 (5/16") spherical bearings have a radial static
load capacity of 3133 pounds. This gives a reserve factor of 4.1. Yes
folks, that means the spherical bearing will fail at a load factor of 4.1.
Hmmm. I wonder what happened to six.
Next I checked the threads. The 5/16-24 threads have a tensile
stress area of .058 sq. in. This gives an average stress across the threads
of 13ksi. I checked McMaster Carr for threaded rod and found the following
three possibilities:
18-8 Stainless, "minimum tensile strength" = 70ksi, failure
load factor = 5.4
Non Rated steel, "minimum tensile strength" = 58ksi, failure
load factor = 4.5
Grade B7 steel, "minimum tensile strength" = 125ksi, failure
load factor = 9.6
Any bets on which Skystar used? I'd bet mild steel.
I haven't even addressed stress concentration factors or fatigue
life, though the low strength steels will have superior fatigue life and
higher crack resistance.
As an aside, the 1/4" bolt, being AN hardware and therefore 125ksi
tensile material, is good for about 7.7ksi in shear, giving load factor to
failure of about 10.2.
possibility reduce my maximum load factor to about 2.7. This would reduce
Vno by about 18%. (For example, a K-IV-1200 Vno would go from 99 mph to 81
mph.) I don't know if Vne would change. Of course you could always modify
your struts. (Does anybody know what Skystar did in '01 to beef up the
struts? I saw replacement struts available on the web site.)
series units, good to 7639 pounds. (I may do this anyway. Make sure the
ball is custom made to fit the wing fitting. Don't fill with washers.) I'd
also replace the stud with a larger diameter Grade B7 steel. It looks like
you might be able to use a 3/8" body (AW-6) with a custom ball. (1/4" hole
and 7/16" width.) If I can remember tomorrow I'll call Aurora and see
what's possible.
PS Does anyone have a pair of good pre-'01 K-IV-1200 struts they'd
give/sell me? I'll pull them and get some answers for us.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> |
| Subject: | VFR Lighting Requirements |
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -4.4912
All,
Currently my day VFR Kitfox has no lights. It appears I am
required to run an anti-collision light at a minimum. (FAR 91.205b11) Does
this sound correct? Does anyone have a recommendation for a minimalist
anti-collision light system?
Thank you in advance,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "rdurham" <rdurham(at)bellsouth.net> |
I have a kitfox III with a 582, I installed a scoop on the radiator and wonder
if anyone has done same and can tell me what the height of the opening should
be to get proper cooling for the 582. thanks, Bill Durham
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vic Jacko" <vicwj(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VFR Lighting Requirements INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 |
1.0000 -4.4912
I saw Van's new RV 10 in TX and he did not have strobes or nav lights.
Vic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn(at)nethere.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: VFR Lighting Requirements INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000
1.0000 -4.4912
>
> All,
> Currently my day VFR Kitfox has no lights. It appears I am
> required to run an anti-collision light at a minimum. (FAR 91.205b11) Does
> this sound correct? Does anyone have a recommendation for a minimalist
> anti-collision light system?
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flier" <FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
Look at where the lower lift strut attach is
positioned. With the wing generating lift, the front
spars are pushing inward on the spar carry-thru. The
rear spars are pulling outward...
--- Original Message ---
From: "Graeme Toft" <msm(at)byterocky.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
>Is that a fact that the wing will stay in its flying
configuration even if
>the clevis pins comes out?. I'm having a bit of
trouble getting my head
>around that one. Could someone please explain how
because my gut feel is
>that the wing would fold back immediately the pin
was released.
>
>Graeme Toft
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "david yeamans" <dafox(at)ckt.net>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
>
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> I think what you are doing with the front
spars using Castle Bolts
>> and nuts with cotter pins
>> are the best thing anyone can do. I had the same
problem Bill In Maine
>> had with the Clevis bolt
>> creeping up, and didn't notice until I did my
annual Conditioning
>> inspection. The Safety pin on
>> the left wing only, was extra tight and had
started to wear. I exchanged
>> it for a cotter pin which
>> was a lot stronger, but I am going to change it to
a Castle Bolt and Nut
>> with cotter pin. I only fold
>> the wings back once a year so certainly no
inconvienious . This was a
>> topic a year ago or so
>> and there is really nothing to worry about. The
Clevis bolt could come
>> clear out while flying, and
>> aerodynamic's would keep the wing going forward.
>>
>>
>> David Yeamans
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Don Smythe
>> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>>
>>
>>
>> Loyd,
>> Good question. I opted to do the same but I
use castle nuts w/
>> cotter
>> pins on the front. I don't torque them down to
any specific torque but
>> rather run them down and just add a little more.
I don't want to squeeze
>> too much. Any pro's to this procedure would be
appreciated.
>>
>> Don Smythe
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds(at)chartermi.net>
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>>
>>
>> > --> Kitfox-List message posted
by: "Cudnohufsky's"
>> <7suds(at)chartermi.net>
>> >
>> > Bill,
>> > Never had the problem but also never liked the
idea of the clevised pin
>> > either. I opted to use a threaded bolt with
Nylock in the front the
>> same
>> > as
>> > the rear, I liked the idea of keeping
everything drawn tight, but I
>> also
>> > never checked with Skystar to see if there was
any flaws in my
>> thinking.
>> > Anyone else?
>> > Lloyd
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
>> > To:
>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Here's a situation I discovered the other day
and I wonder if anyone
>> on
>> >> the list has experienced something similar.
>> >>
>> >> The clevis pin that attaches the right front
spar to the carry thru
>> wants
>> >> to work its way up. This may have been going
on forever but I just
>> >> noticed that the safety pin was up solidly
against the spar about 11
>> >> flight hours ago and pounded the clevis pin
fully down. The clevis
>> pin
>> >> is
>> >> now about halfway back up. There is obviously
motion somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> There is no obvious looseness in the joint.
The left wing doesn't
>> >> manifest this tendency at all. I have a 13
gallon tank on the right
>> and
>> >> fly with it from full to 1/2 full all the
time. I don't put any gas
>> in
>> >> my
>> >> left tank and have shutoffs to keep the tanks
from cross feeding. In
>> >> other words the right wing weighs 50 pounds or
so more than the left.
>> >>
>> >> Other than to note that the safety pins are in
there for a reason I
>> have
>> >> no idea if this is a common event or if my
plane is unique. Nor do I
>> >> know
>> >> if it is a symptom of something bad.
>> >>
>> >> So if any one has this happening I'd surely
like to know and what, if
>> >> anything, was done to correct it.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks very much.
>> >> Bill in Maine
>> >> IV-1200 (582) with 160 hours
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "flier" <FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VFR Lighting Requirements |
There's no requirement for lights for day VFR.
--- Original Message ---
From: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VFR Lighting
Requirements INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -
4.4912
>
>I saw Van's new RV 10 in TX and he did not have
strobes or nav lights.
>
>Vic
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn(at)nethere.com>
>To: ;
>Subject: Kitfox-List: VFR Lighting Requirements
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000
>1.0000 -4.4912
>
>
>>
>> All,
>> Currently my day VFR Kitfox has no lights.
It appears I am
>> required to run an anti-collision light at a
minimum. (FAR 91.205b11) Does
>> this sound correct? Does anyone have a
recommendation for a minimalist
>> anti-collision light system?
>>
>> Thank you in advance,
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob
Ducar.
>>
>>
>>
>
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| From: | "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
Graeme, This has been a topic that has surfaced numerous times in the past.
I frankly strugle with it a bit also, but I remember once a guy ewporting on
the list that he was trailering a newly completed and unflown Kitfox to the
airport and the wing holddown came loose on one side and before he could
stop the wing had extended and mowed down a couple of roadside signs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Toft" <msm(at)byterocky.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
> Is that a fact that the wing will stay in its flying configuration even if
> the clevis pins comes out?. I'm having a bit of trouble getting my head
> around that one. Could someone please explain how because my gut feel is
> that the wing would fold back immediately the pin was released.
>
> Graeme Toft
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "david yeamans" <dafox(at)ckt.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
>
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> I think what you are doing with the front spars using Castle Bolts
>> and nuts with cotter pins
>> are the best thing anyone can do. I had the same problem Bill In Maine
>> had with the Clevis bolt
>> creeping up, and didn't notice until I did my annual Conditioning
>> inspection. The Safety pin on
>> the left wing only, was extra tight and had started to wear. I exchanged
>> it for a cotter pin which
>> was a lot stronger, but I am going to change it to a Castle Bolt and Nut
>> with cotter pin. I only fold
>> the wings back once a year so certainly no inconvienious . This was a
>> topic a year ago or so
>> and there is really nothing to worry about. The Clevis bolt could come
>> clear out while flying, and
>> aerodynamic's would keep the wing going forward.
>>
>>
>> David Yeamans
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Don Smythe
>> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>>
>>
>>
>> Loyd,
>> Good question. I opted to do the same but I use castle nuts w/
>> cotter
>> pins on the front. I don't torque them down to any specific torque but
>> rather run them down and just add a little more. I don't want to
>> squeeze
>> too much. Any pro's to this procedure would be appreciated.
>>
>> Don Smythe
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds(at)chartermi.net>
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>>
>>
>> <7suds(at)chartermi.net>
>> >
>> > Bill,
>> > Never had the problem but also never liked the idea of the clevised
>> pin
>> > either. I opted to use a threaded bolt with Nylock in the front the
>> same
>> > as
>> > the rear, I liked the idea of keeping everything drawn tight, but I
>> also
>> > never checked with Skystar to see if there was any flaws in my
>> thinking.
>> > Anyone else?
>> > Lloyd
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
>> > To:
>> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Here's a situation I discovered the other day and I wonder if anyone
>> on
>> >> the list has experienced something similar.
>> >>
>> >> The clevis pin that attaches the right front spar to the carry thru
>> wants
>> >> to work its way up. This may have been going on forever but I just
>> >> noticed that the safety pin was up solidly against the spar about 11
>> >> flight hours ago and pounded the clevis pin fully down. The clevis
>> pin
>> >> is
>> >> now about halfway back up. There is obviously motion somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> There is no obvious looseness in the joint. The left wing doesn't
>> >> manifest this tendency at all. I have a 13 gallon tank on the right
>> and
>> >> fly with it from full to 1/2 full all the time. I don't put any gas
>> in
>> >> my
>> >> left tank and have shutoffs to keep the tanks from cross feeding. In
>> >> other words the right wing weighs 50 pounds or so more than the left.
>> >>
>> >> Other than to note that the safety pins are in there for a reason I
>> have
>> >> no idea if this is a common event or if my plane is unique. Nor do I
>> >> know
>> >> if it is a symptom of something bad.
>> >>
>> >> So if any one has this happening I'd surely like to know and what, if
>> >> anything, was done to correct it.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks very much.
>> >> Bill in Maine
>> >> IV-1200 (582) with 160 hours
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VFR Lighting Requirements |
You only need a good anti-collision light if you plan on flying the 30 min's
before/after sunrise/sunset.
Andrew
>From: "flier" <FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To: ,
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VFR Lighting Requirements Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005
>
>
>There's no requirement for lights for day VFR.
>
>
>--- Original Message ---
>From: "Vic Jacko" <vicwj(at)earthlink.net>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VFR Lighting
>Requirements INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -
>4.4912
>
>
> >
> >I saw Van's new RV 10 in TX and he did not have
>strobes or nav lights.
> >
> >Vic
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn(at)nethere.com>
> >To: ; list(at)matronics.com>
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: VFR Lighting Requirements
>INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000
> >1.0000 -4.4912
> >
> >
>
> >>
> >> All,
> >> Currently my day VFR Kitfox has no lights.
>It appears I am
> >> required to run an anti-collision light at a
>minimum. (FAR 91.205b11) Does
> >> this sound correct? Does anyone have a
>recommendation for a minimalist
> >> anti-collision light system?
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance,
> >>
> >>
> >> Guy Buchanan
> >> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob
>Ducar.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Parts for Sale for 912S |
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-radiator brackets for 912S radiator hangs in front of engine like the
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| From: | Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> |
| Subject: | Upper Strut Attach Point |
At 06:42 PM 10/17/2005, you wrote:
>Personally, I wouldn't worry about
>those rod end fittings unless you're used to pulling over 5Gs regularly.
I went back and reduced the strut loads by an 80 pound wing weight and 78
pounds of fuel in the inboard 36". This reduced the nominal 1-g strut load
to 636 pounds which improved the eye safety factor to 4.9 and the threaded
rod safety factor to 5.3, both still well below 6. The eye safety factor
reduces the Vno by about 10%, bringing it from 99 mph to 89 mph.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fox5flyer" <morid(at)northland.lib.mi.us> |
| Subject: | Re: Clevis movement |
Many years ago before Skystar, I think it was Dan Denny that said (if you
have what it takes) you could pull those front pins while the aircraft is in
flight and nothing would happen. Something to do with where the center of
lift is and the configuration of the struts. Of course, I have no knowlege
of anyone who was able to provide proof of that assertion.
Anybody want to give it a whirl?
Deke
>
> Look at where the lower lift strut attach is
> positioned. With the wing generating lift, the front
> spars are pushing inward on the spar carry-thru. The
> rear spars are pulling outward...
>
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: "Graeme Toft" <msm(at)byterocky.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
>
>
> >
> >Is that a fact that the wing will stay in its flying
> configuration even if
> >the clevis pins comes out?. I'm having a bit of
> trouble getting my head
> >around that one. Could someone please explain how
> because my gut feel is
> >that the wing would fold back immediately the pin
> was released.
> >
> >Graeme Toft
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "david yeamans" <dafox(at)ckt.net>
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
> >
> >
>
> >>
> >> Don,
> >>
> >> I think what you are doing with the front
> spars using Castle Bolts
> >> and nuts with cotter pins
> >> are the best thing anyone can do. I had the same
> problem Bill In Maine
> >> had with the Clevis bolt
> >> creeping up, and didn't notice until I did my
> annual Conditioning
> >> inspection. The Safety pin on
> >> the left wing only, was extra tight and had
> started to wear. I exchanged
> >> it for a cotter pin which
> >> was a lot stronger, but I am going to change it to
> a Castle Bolt and Nut
> >> with cotter pin. I only fold
> >> the wings back once a year so certainly no
> inconvienious . This was a
> >> topic a year ago or so
> >> and there is really nothing to worry about. The
> Clevis bolt could come
> >> clear out while flying, and
> >> aerodynamic's would keep the wing going forward.
> >>
> >>
> >> David Yeamans
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Don Smythe
> >> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:05 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
> >>
> >>
>
> >>
> >> Loyd,
> >> Good question. I opted to do the same but I
> use castle nuts w/
> >> cotter
> >> pins on the front. I don't torque them down to
> any specific torque but
> >> rather run them down and just add a little more.
> I don't want to squeeze
> >> too much. Any pro's to this procedure would be
> appreciated.
> >>
> >> Don Smythe
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds(at)chartermi.net>
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> Kitfox-List message posted
> by: "Cudnohufsky's"
> >> <7suds(at)chartermi.net>
> >> >
> >> > Bill,
> >> > Never had the problem but also never liked the
> idea of the clevised pin
> >> > either. I opted to use a threaded bolt with
> Nylock in the front the
> >> same
> >> > as
> >> > the rear, I liked the idea of keeping
> everything drawn tight, but I
> >> also
> >> > never checked with Skystar to see if there was
> any flaws in my
> >> thinking.
> >> > Anyone else?
> >> > Lloyd
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Chenoweth" <chenoweth(at)gwi.net>
> >> > To:
> >> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Clevis movement
> >> >
> >> >
>
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's a situation I discovered the other day
> and I wonder if anyone
> >> on
> >> >> the list has experienced something similar.
> >> >>
> >> >> The clevis pin that attaches the right front
> spar to the carry thru
> >> wants
> >> >> to work its way up. This may have been going
> on forever but I just
> >> >> noticed that the safety pin was up solidly
> against the spar about 11
> >> >> flight hours ago and pounded the clevis pin
> fully down. The clevis
> >> pin
> >> >> is
> >> >> now about halfway back up. There is obviously
> motion somewhere.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is no obvious looseness in the joint.
> The left wing doesn't
> >> >> manifest this tendency at all. I have a 13
> gallon tank on the right
> >> and
> >> >> fly with it from full to 1/2 full all the
> time. I don't put any gas
> >> in
> >> >> my
> >> >> left tank and have shutoffs to keep the tanks
> from cross feeding. In
> >> >> other words the right wing weighs 50 pounds or
> so more than the left.
> >> >>
> >> >> Other than to note that the safety pins are in
> there for a reason I
> >> have
> >> >> no idea if this is a common event or if my
> plane is unique. Nor do I
> >> >> know
> >> >> if it is a symptom of something bad.
> >> >>
> >> >> So if any one has this happening I'd surely
> like to know and what, if
> >> >> anything, was done to correct it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks very much.
> >> >> Bill in Maine
> >> >> IV-1200 (582) with 160 hours
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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| From: | Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net> |
All,
I want to join those that have expressed their sympathy for the
employees of SkyStar and those that have outstanding orders with the
company, this truly is bad news for everyone.
As John McBean indicated, though, support for builders and pilots
will continue. Murle Williams has asked me to let you all know that
he will continue to offer his builder-assist program and his array of
Kitfox and Avid products.
Murle can be reached at:
Web: http://MurleWilliamsAviation.com
E-mail: murle.williams(at)juno.com
Phone: (602) 978-0553
If any of you feel that you will not be able to complete your
aircraft and have kits or parts you would like to sell, please
contact Murle or myself off-list.
Best of luck to everyone,
Mike G.
N728KF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flier" <FLIER(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Upper Strut Attach Point |
I agree Guy. That's why I use 5G. 6G is ultimate
(the struts broke at that value) and I don't want to
experience ultimate loading!
--- Original Message ---
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Upper Strut Attach Point
>
>At 06:42 PM 10/17/2005, you wrote:
>>Personally, I wouldn't worry about
>>those rod end fittings unless you're used to
pulling over 5Gs regularly.
>
>I went back and reduced the strut loads by an 80
pound wing weight and 78
>pounds of fuel in the inboard 36". This reduced the
nominal 1-g strut load
>to 636 pounds which improved the eye safety factor
to 4.9 and the threaded
>rod safety factor to 5.3, both still well below 6.
The eye safety factor
>reduces the Vno by about 10%, bringing it from 99
mph to 89 mph.
>
>
>Guy Buchanan
>K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob
Ducar.
>
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| From: | "Jay Carter" <valley361(at)centurytel.net> |
Anyone on the list have a header tank p/n 90064.000 that is surplus to
your needs and would sell? p/n is from S-6 assembly manual.
Jay C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VFR Lighting Requirements |
Andrew,
Allow me to make a big mistake here. It's been awhile since I looked
into the lighting thing. In the US, we are required lighting from sunset to
sunrise. In Canada, they are required lighting from twilight to twilight.
I think twilight is 1/2 hours before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset. So,
your comment below is for Canada operators only???
Forgive me if I messed this up.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VFR Lighting Requirements
>
>
> You only need a good anti-collision light if you plan on flying the 30
> min's
> before/after sunrise/sunset.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need Series 5 cowling |
Ron wrote,
>Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top & bottom cowl. It must be the
>one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
Hi Ron, we have an unused cowl for the Continental 0-200 engine on a Series
5. Problem is we are in Vienna Austria and the freight costs would probably
make this non-viable for you. However keep
it in mind and if you don't source anything locally give me an email and we
will try to work out a
viable deal. Kerry.
S5 builders helper.
Taxied it on Sunday. Ohitsjustwunderbar.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VFR Lighting Requirements |
Don, That is exactly what I meant!
Andrew
>From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VFR Lighting Requirements
>Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:29:27 -0400
>
>
>Andrew,
> Allow me to make a big mistake here. It's been awhile since I looked
>into the lighting thing. In the US, we are required lighting from sunset
>to
>sunrise. In Canada, they are required lighting from twilight to twilight.
>I think twilight is 1/2 hours before sunrise to 1/2 hour after sunset. So,
>your comment below is for Canada operators only???
> Forgive me if I messed this up.
>
>Don Smythe
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: VFR Lighting Requirements
>
>
> >
> >
> > You only need a good anti-collision light if you plan on flying the 30
> > min's
> > before/after sunrise/sunset.
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
The last time I looked, Lighting is not required for VFR flying..
Howard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321(at)msn.com> |
Hi John,
I'm very sorry to hear of this. I don't know what Chapter 7 Bankruptcy
means. Is there some hope for recovery?
Thanks,
Bruce Harrington
Ex-IV-1200 N194KF, but still a promoter of Kitfoxes.
> I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
> Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although
> the
> phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to
> get
> the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
> was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from
> the
> courts.
>
> As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
> Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
> them please give us a shout if we can help.
>
>
> Fly Safe !!
> John & Debra McBean
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <wingsdown(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | EA-81 turbo with reduction drive FOR SALE |
I have decided to sell the engine package less firewall engine mount. It
was originally an NSI engine. I have completely rebuilt the engine to
include the heads. The redrive unit has the latest upgrade from NSI, which I
believe was new shaft and material, larger bearings and the like. Below is a
list of mods and parts:
Total run time appx 70 hours, engine was not running at time of nose wheel
collapse. Oil pan was damaged by nose strut but can be easily repaired.
Engine has since been run, and oil changed as well as redrive oil. This
engine makes over 150HP. I will include radiator and necessary plumbing from
aircraft. This engine is complete and ready to mount to NSI engine mount for
aircraft of your choosing. It was in a model 5 Kitfox. Mounts on engine are
included. No break in necessary, its been done. Keep in mind the rotax
engine is going for about 20K and does not make this kind of power nor is it
rated for continuous full power operation.
New pistons and rings
All new bearings and seals
Pistons, pins, rings and block cryogenic treated, not over sized
Pistons ceramic coated tops molly sides
Cylinders line honed
Crank zero run out
reconditioned rods with new bushings weight matched
new turbo cam coated by Swain
reconditioned lifters
stainless down pipe and stack
heads have stainless valves, 3 angle valve cut, ceramic tops and scallops,
new bronze guides, coated HP springs, reconditioned rockers
intake manifold special Swain heat dissipating coating
Oil lines are Teflon
New Taylor ignition wires
Stainless headers by Dawley Aviation with special Swain coating, with EGT
holes
MOCAL oil thermostat plumbed with lines will provide cooler
New oil pump
remote filter mount and Teflon lines
new water pump
Turbo completely rebuilt and upgraded to include new compressor section,
Swain coated exhaust turbine section, hard line cooling line and more.
Ellison TBI 3A, all fuel lines Teflon to include line to firewall
Powder coated aluminum valve covers
Dual electronic ignition and pick ups, programmable
Alternator with overage voltage unit
Engine block heater, not that I needed it here in sunny california
I will give the list first shot and then either sell it locally or list on
EBay. This is a strong smooth engine. You wont be dissapointed. If you have
the non-turbo NSI then this would be an easy swap for much more power and
higher density altitude capabilites. If your serious and would like to see
her run let me know ASAP.
Rick
If you like private emails at wingsdown(at)comcast.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Sorry, I meant, VFR, daytime flying....
Howard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
How about VFR flights at "night"?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
> The last time I looked, Lighting is not required for VFR flying..
>
> Howard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Joe Bienkowski <joeb47(at)verizon.net> |
Chapter 7 is the liquidation of a company/individual.
This is NOT a restructuring.
It is the liquidation of assets and the dismissal of debts/
Best,
Joe
Bruce Harrington wrote:
>
>Hi John,
>I'm very sorry to hear of this. I don't know what Chapter 7 Bankruptcy
>means. Is there some hope for recovery?
>Thanks,
>Bruce Harrington
>Ex-IV-1200 N194KF, but still a promoter of Kitfoxes.
>
>
>
>>I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
>>Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although
>>the
>>phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to
>>get
>>the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
>>was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from
>>the
>>courts.
>>
>>As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
>>Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
>>them please give us a shout if we can help.
>>
>>
>>Fly Safe !!
>>John & Debra McBean
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Eric" <iworonko(at)cox.net> |
Hi Folks,
I have been rebuilding a damaged Mod. lV Speedster and was waiting till I got to
the wing before ordering a wing tip from Skystar. Looks like I waited too long.
Does anyone have or know where I can get a left Speedster type wing tip?
Also could use a left flaperon.
Eric
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew Matthaey" <spaghettiohead(at)hotmail.com> |
Anti-Collision lights, Position Lights...
Andrew
>From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Lighting
>Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:06:25 -0400
>
>
>How about VFR flights at "night"?
>
>Don Smythe
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
> > The last time I looked, Lighting is not required for VFR flying..
> >
> > Howard
>
>
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
Out of curiosity, it was mentioned that there were other parties (standing
in the wings) possibly waiting to take over. Does Chap 7 allow for the
company to continue maybe under a different name or whatever?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Bienkowski" <joeb47(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
>
> Chapter 7 is the liquidation of a company/individual.
>
> This is NOT a restructuring.
>
> It is the liquidation of assets and the dismissal of debts/
>
> Best,
> Joe
>
> Bruce Harrington wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi John,
>>I'm very sorry to hear of this. I don't know what Chapter 7 Bankruptcy
>>means. Is there some hope for recovery?
>>Thanks,
>>Bruce Harrington
>>Ex-IV-1200 N194KF, but still a promoter of Kitfoxes.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
>>>Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although
>>>the
>>>phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to
>>>get
>>>the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
>>>was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from
>>>the
>>>courts.
>>>
>>>As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
>>>Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
>>>them please give us a shout if we can help.
>>>
>>>
>>>Fly Safe !!
>>>John & Debra McBean
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net> |
Hi Don,
I am not a lawyer, so I will gladly offer a legal opinion for free! I think
under a chapter 7, everything becomes an asset that must be sold to satisfy
creditors (mostly Phil Reed in this case), including the Skystar name, web
site domain, etc. So they are free to sell that to someone who wants to
start over again as a brand new business.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
Out of curiosity, it was mentioned that there were other parties (standing
in the wings) possibly waiting to take over. Does Chap 7 allow for the
company to continue maybe under a different name or whatever?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Bienkowski" <joeb47(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
>
> Chapter 7 is the liquidation of a company/individual.
>
> This is NOT a restructuring.
>
> It is the liquidation of assets and the dismissal of debts/
>
> Best,
> Joe
>
> Bruce Harrington wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi John,
>>I'm very sorry to hear of this. I don't know what Chapter 7 Bankruptcy
>>means. Is there some hope for recovery?
>>Thanks,
>>Bruce Harrington
>>Ex-IV-1200 N194KF, but still a promoter of Kitfoxes.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
>>>Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although
>>>the
>>>phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to
>>>get
>>>the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
>>>was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from
>>>the
>>>courts.
>>>
>>>As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
>>>Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
>>>them please give us a shout if we can help.
>>>
>>>
>>>Fly Safe !!
>>>John & Debra McBean
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com> |
They jumped on Ch 7 just before the law changed making 7's more difficult. Liquidation
means assets get sold and proceeds applied to satisfy debts. Secured creditors
(those to whom assets are pledged as collateral) are first in line. Others
will get pennies on the dollar, if anything. It's possible that someone
wanting to continue the business could acquire some of the assets. Under Ch 7,
however, I wouldn't bet my fox that there will be a fully functional Skystar
successor anytime soon.
Anybody got a cargo pod to sell?
Don Smythe wrote:
Out of curiosity, it was mentioned that there were other parties (standing
in the wings) possibly waiting to take over. Does Chap 7 allow for the
company to continue maybe under a different name or whatever?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Bienkowski"
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: SkyStar
>
> Chapter 7 is the liquidation of a company/individual.
>
> This is NOT a restructuring.
>
> It is the liquidation of assets and the dismissal of debts/
>
> Best,
> Joe
>
> Bruce Harrington wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi John,
>>I'm very sorry to hear of this. I don't know what Chapter 7 Bankruptcy
>>means. Is there some hope for recovery?
>>Thanks,
>>Bruce Harrington
>>Ex-IV-1200 N194KF, but still a promoter of Kitfoxes.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I was asked to pass on a message and there is just no easy way to say it
>>>Unfortunately, SkyStar is officially in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Although
>>>the
>>>phones are still being answered with voice mail there is no one there to
>>>get
>>>the messages and the web is not being monitored This is a Chapter 7 and
>>>was filed on Friday 10-14-05. People involved should get a letter from
>>>the
>>>courts.
>>>
>>>As always, we are here to help with any support questions regarding your
>>>Kitfox.. Although, we cannot provide all the parts we can supply most of
>>>them please give us a shout if we can help.
>>>
>>>
>>>Fly Safe !!
>>>John & Debra McBean
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
---------------------------------
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| From: | "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ(at)numail.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Upper Strut Attach Point |
Thanks Guy
You made my brain hurt.
So, it is the weak point, no?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn(at)nethere.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Upper Strut Attach Point
>
> At 06:42 PM 10/17/2005, you wrote:
>>Personally, I wouldn't worry about
>>those rod end fittings unless you're used to pulling over 5Gs regularly.
>
> Well,
> You got me thinking. A bad thing. Blew an entire evening.
> individual strut load of 757 pounds, assuming constant loading over the
> span and both struts loaded equally. (A dubious assumption, at best.) My
> strut ends are Aurora MW-4H-12's, which appear to be custom units,
> consisting of 5/16" bodies with 9/16" wide balls drilled to 1/4. Since
> Skystar supplied AN hardware, this was a reasonable thing to do. Now my
> Aurora catalog shows MW-5 (5/16") spherical bearings have a radial static
> load capacity of 3133 pounds. This gives a reserve factor of 4.1. Yes
> folks, that means the spherical bearing will fail at a load factor of 4.1.
> Hmmm. I wonder what happened to six.
> Next I checked the threads. The 5/16-24 threads have a tensile
> stress area of .058 sq. in. This gives an average stress across the
> threads
> of 13ksi. I checked McMaster Carr for threaded rod and found the following
> three possibilities:
>
> 18-8 Stainless, "minimum tensile strength" = 70ksi, failure
> load factor = 5.4
> Non Rated steel, "minimum tensile strength" = 58ksi, failure
> load factor = 4.5
> Grade B7 steel, "minimum tensile strength" = 125ksi, failure
> load factor = 9.6
>
> Any bets on which Skystar used? I'd bet mild steel.
> I haven't even addressed stress concentration factors or fatigue
> life, though the low strength steels will have superior fatigue life and
> higher crack resistance.
> As an aside, the 1/4" bolt, being AN hardware and therefore 125ksi
> tensile material, is good for about 7.7ksi in shear, giving load factor to
> failure of about 10.2.
> possibility reduce my maximum load factor to about 2.7. This would reduce
> Vno by about 18%. (For example, a K-IV-1200 Vno would go from 99 mph to 81
> mph.) I don't know if Vne would change. Of course you could always modify
> your struts. (Does anybody know what Skystar did in '01 to beef up the
> struts? I saw replacement struts available on the web site.)
> series units, good to 7639 pounds. (I may do this anyway. Make sure the
> ball is custom made to fit the wing fitting. Don't fill with washers.) I'd
> also replace the stud with a larger diameter Grade B7 steel. It looks like
> you might be able to use a 3/8" body (AW-6) with a custom ball. (1/4" hole
> and 7/16" width.) If I can remember tomorrow I'll call Aurora and see
> what's possible.
>
> PS Does anyone have a pair of good pre-'01 K-IV-1200 struts they'd
> give/sell me? I'll pull them and get some answers for us.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan(at)bigpond.com> |
Is that a fact that the wing will stay in its flying configuration even if
the clevis pins comes out?. I'm having a bit of trouble getting my head
around that one. Could someone please explain how because my gut feel is
that the wing would fold back immediately the pin was released.
Graeme Toft
Hi ! Graeme,
me too ! and it concerns me because that point on the
Kitfox might be a concern. My plane was built by a mechanical engineer and
when I picked it up he said to keep that pin greased as it tends chafe. I
would like to see more feedback on what is the best thing to do at this
point because I'm thinking the bolt idea is good. It would need to be a bolt
that does not have thread in the hole in the spar though and I wonder what
the correct grade would be. Also should it be tightened or just take up any
play ?
On the point of the wing staying forward in flight. that's interesting
because just last night I attended a lecture on BAK and it was actually
mentioned about wing attachment bolts. It was stated about the forces
prevailing on these bolts and it was definitely stated there was quite a
strain with the wing drag trying to push the wings back. So I'd be
interested in any views because until convinced otherwise I'm in favour of
the idea the wing will fold back very smartly indeed if that pin fails or
whatever. I can see it needs shear strength rather than tensile.
I await further discussion with interest please.
Rex.
PS
that's not very nice news about Skystar. It will be good to get news
next that someone will take it on. Let's hope !
rexjan(at)bigpond.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greaves" <tenorio41(at)comcast.net> |
Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got screwed
by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was about 60 days out.
I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a letter but of course
considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to someone else accidentally',
I have little faith that this letter will be in my box anytime soon...
Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that considering
Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax, does this mean I
will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in Idaho and be sold off
to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase debts to
people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight is 20/20 and
I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My experience has been
maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I would have felt better with
the engine I paid for.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net> |
For all those still owed parts by Skystar: As I said before, I am just an
amateur lawyer, so take this advice as such. I have been "screwed" out of
$15,000 owed to me by a creditor to my business because the creditor
declared CH 7 bankruptcy. Did I get even ONE CENT. NO. Why? Because I was
very far down in the line of creditors, and the first ones to file claims
with the BK court get paid first.
You have to decide if it is worth paying a lawyer to help you make a claim,
and you have to do it fast. I have no idea how much the assets of Skystar
are, and how much the current creditors are owed now, but I have to think
that there will not be much of anything left as it stands right now.
Otherwise they would not have declared Ch 7.
So the time to make a decision is now. Make a claim right now or write it
off as a bad debt.
PS, I saw the final statement in the case of my BK claim. Guess who got the
most money? The creditors? Wrong. The lawyers did.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greaves
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got
screwed by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was about 60
days out. I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a letter
but of course considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to someone
else accidentally', I have little faith that this letter will be in my box
anytime soon...
Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that
considering Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax, does
this mean I will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in Idaho
and be sold off to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase
debts to people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight is
20/20 and I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My
experience has been maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I would
have felt better with the engine I paid for.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tom Jones <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: rear spar spacer |
JF, My Classic 4 manual from 1994 says 96 and 3/4 inches from the "Root
end" of the rear spar. Service letter 25A describes the process. You
may end up moving the bracket slightly when you rig the wings on the
fuselage. I just went out and measured this on my classic 4. The
measurement on it is close to 97 inches on both left and right rear spars.
Tom Jones
quichotte_40 wrote:
>
>hi, I`m building the wings for my c4 and it is not clear to me if the
>rear spar bracket location dimension of 96 1/4 should be measured
>from the rear spar root location with or without the 1/2 inch spacer
>on the wing fixture. Should the dimension be taken from the spar
>tube beginning or from behind the spacer. thank`s to all. JF
>Hebert
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tom Jones <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net> |
| Subject: | Skystar website service letters and bullitins |
I just checked and found the service letters and bulletins still
accessible on Skystars website. If you have not done so already, it
might be prudent to print off those that apply to your kitfox. Go to
www.skystar.com and click on "technical Support". There is a key at the
beginning of the list that tells which plane each letter or bulletin
applies to.
Tom Jones
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Anderson" <janderson412(at)hotmail.com> |
Thought. If the wing is hard against the false rib when the pin is in, i.e.
you have to pull the wing tip hard forward to get the front pin in, the pin
will be under tension and tend not to work. But if there is a slight gap
between the false and last wing rib, i.e the pin slips in easily, it would
be more likely to work. Perhaps putting a rubber seal packer between the
false and last rib would reduce the chance of pin movement?? John A.
From: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing clevis pin
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:39:21 +0930
Is that a fact that the wing will stay in its flying configuration even if
the clevis pins comes out?. I'm having a bit of trouble getting my head
around that one. Could someone please explain how because my gut feel is
that the wing would fold back immediately the pin was released.
Graeme Toft
Hi ! Graeme,
me too ! and it concerns me because that point on the
Kitfox might be a concern. My plane was built by a mechanical engineer and
when I picked it up he said to keep that pin greased as it tends chafe. I
would like to see more feedback on what is the best thing to do at this
point because I'm thinking the bolt idea is good. It would need to be a bolt
that does not have thread in the hole in the spar though and I wonder what
the correct grade would be. Also should it be tightened or just take up any
play ?
On the point of the wing staying forward in flight. that's interesting
because just last night I attended a lecture on BAK and it was actually
mentioned about wing attachment bolts. It was stated about the forces
prevailing on these bolts and it was definitely stated there was quite a
strain with the wing drag trying to push the wings back. So I'd be
interested in any views because until convinced otherwise I'm in favour of
the idea the wing will fold back very smartly indeed if that pin fails or
whatever. I can see it needs shear strength rather than tensile.
I await further discussion with interest please.
Rex.
PS
that's not very nice news about Skystar. It will be good to get news
next that someone will take it on. Let's hope !
rexjan(at)bigpond.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> |
| Subject: | Skystar website service letters and bullitins |
At 08:59 PM 10/18/2005, you wrote:
>Sport Plane will continue to support the Kitfox family to the best of our
>ability......
John,
Any idea who I would contact regarding purchasing Skystar assets?
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
16718 Peace Valley Lane
Ramona, CA 92065-7046
USA
1-760-789-4482
1-760-809-6145: Cell
bnn(at)nethere.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
Another curiosity question. I have seriously considered selling my Classic IV
and just wonder what the Skystar Chap 7 does to a Kitfox value. On one hand,
you might not be able to get repair parts any more which would decrease the value.
On the other hand, you can't buy a new Kitfox anymore which would drive
the cost up. Just not sure which way the market swings in this kind of situation.
Getting repair parts doesn't seem to be that big a deal. Just thinking out loud,
there aren't too many parts on a Kitfox that can't be duplicated or rebuilt
from scratch (IMO)
Don Smythe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Value |
My bets the value will go DOWN big time,,,at least for the short run,
depending what happens. Even if someone takes it over and trys to sell
things again,,,,everyone will always be skeptical. This will be the ??
times it has sold or changed management.. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Value
>
> Another curiosity question. I have seriously considered selling my
Classic IV and just wonder what the Skystar Chap 7 does to a Kitfox value.
On one hand, you might not be able to get repair parts any more which would
decrease the value. On the other hand, you can't buy a new Kitfox anymore
which would drive the cost up. Just not sure which way the market swings in
this kind of situation.
>
> Getting repair parts doesn't seem to be that big a deal. Just thinking
out loud, there aren't too many parts on a Kitfox that can't be duplicated
or rebuilt from scratch (IMO)
>
> Don Smythe
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Magdic, Steve" <steve.magdic(at)1psg.com> |
Alas, the time has finally come. My tailwheel leaf spring gave up the ghost this
past weekend.
Of course, I do not have a spare, and am in need of a replacement. I have sent
off a parts request
to SkyStar just for the heck of it but have little faith that I'll get and answer
much less make a
purchase.
Luckily I have a friend that borrowed his unused Matco assembly to me temporarily
to get me back home.
I am in need of the leaf spring assembly for a Model 3 with the Maule type tailwheel.
If there's anyone out there that know of a source for these replacement leaf springs,
please let me know.
Thank you,
Steve Magdic
N490PA
Wisconsin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts Needed |
Steve:
Check www.airdale.com under products. It should fit.
Jose
--- "Magdic, Steve" wrote:
>
>
> Alas, the time has finally come. My tailwheel leaf
> spring gave up the ghost this past weekend.
> Of course, I do not have a spare, and am in need of
> a replacement. I have sent off a parts request
> to SkyStar just for the heck of it but have little
> faith that I'll get and answer much less make a
> purchase.
> Luckily I have a friend that borrowed his unused
> Matco assembly to me temporarily to get me back
> home.
> I am in need of the leaf spring assembly for a Model
> 3 with the Maule type tailwheel.
> If there's anyone out there that know of a source
> for these replacement leaf springs, please let me
> know.
> Thank you,
> Steve Magdic
> N490PA
> Wisconsin
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| From: | "Jeff Pfister" <jpfister(at)lpaero.com> |
Please excuse this "commercial" post. At this point, it seems the best
way to contact
the folks we have not been able to call directly.
First, in light of the recent Chapter 7 filing, we too would like to
express our
concern for the employees of Skystar and for the builders who may be
caught up in the
circumstances.
As many of you know, LP Aero Plastics has been supplying formed acrylic
windshields and windows
for the Kitfox series aircraft for some time. We have sold some of
these directly to builders,
and in some cases as proprietary parts to Skystar. It has been our
policy, in the case of
proprietary parts, to support kit builders directly when the kit
manufacturer can no longer do so.
If any of you have windshield/window orders pending through Skystar,
please contact me at
800-957-2376 or 724-744-4448, FAX 724-744-7372, or e-mail
jpfister(at)lpaero.com or
windshields(at)lpaero.com . We would like
to make sure you get your windows.
Thanks,
Jeff Pfister
LP Aero Plastics, Inc.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kschlosser(at)proformtool.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts Needed |
Steve,
I bought a leaf spring from Aircraft Spruce for homebuilts. It needed minor modification
(Ground 2 small notches to fit between the mounting bolts in the rear)
as it was 11/2" wide, I believe. I also made a small bushing for the front
hole as it was 1/16" too large. It has worked really well on my Scott 2000
tailwheel and it was approx. $30.00. I believe it was a couple of inches longer
than stock, but I put it on as it came - I like the stance with the tail a
bit higher than original.
Kevin (Model 3)
N333KF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Parts Needed |
Steve, a friend used a J3 Cub spring. He had to shim the hole at the fuse
end, but it worked.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Magdic, Steve" <steve.magdic(at)1psg.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Parts Needed
>
> Alas, the time has finally come. My tailwheel leaf spring gave up the
> ghost this past weekend.
> Of course, I do not have a spare, and am in need of a replacement. I have
> sent off a parts request
> to SkyStar just for the heck of it but have little faith that I'll get and
> answer much less make a
> purchase.
> Luckily I have a friend that borrowed his unused Matco assembly to me
> temporarily to get me back home.
> I am in need of the leaf spring assembly for a Model 3 with the Maule type
> tailwheel.
> If there's anyone out there that know of a source for these replacement
> leaf springs, please let me know.
> Thank you,
> Steve Magdic
> N490PA
> Wisconsin
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer(at)hotmail.com> |
The link below is to the Idaho Courts site.
http://www.id.uscourts.gov/
On that page is a link to Electronic Case Filing\Bankruptcy EFC login.
You will need to create a login account and will be charged an 8 cents per
page access fee,
which is pretty cheap to find out what's going on if you have a lot of money
at stake.
I lost 90% of my pre-paid flight training funds in a bankruptcy proceeding
over 20 years ago.
My attendance at the courthouse is all that got me the 10% I didn't lose.
Best of luck to those of you with deposits outstanding. The Kitfox line of
aircraft are too good
to just go away, so I am sure someone will buy the assets and keep building
planes. I hope
it's someone in North America.
Joel
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs (final assembly)
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
Steve,
I have tail wheel springs.....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Magdic, Steve
Subject: Kitfox-List: Parts Needed
Alas, the time has finally come. My tailwheel leaf spring gave up the ghost
this past weekend.
Of course, I do not have a spare, and am in need of a replacement. I have
sent off a parts request
to SkyStar just for the heck of it but have little faith that I'll get and
answer much less make a
purchase.
Luckily I have a friend that borrowed his unused Matco assembly to me
temporarily to get me back home.
I am in need of the leaf spring assembly for a Model 3 with the Maule type
tailwheel.
If there's anyone out there that know of a source for these replacement leaf
springs, please let me know.
Thank you,
Steve Magdic
N490PA
Wisconsin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Value |
As far as values go..Skystar never gave any support to owners of kitfox
models 1-3 other than a few misc parts that fit 3 and 4's thru commomality
of design. Having said that, i think there isn't a thing in a kitfox you
cant produce on you own...or someone at your local EAA chapter can. I own a
model 3..so while i hate to see any of you guys lose money on parts that
didn't show up(thats the bad part) ..you just joined the same boat with the
mods1-3 owners...and we're doing just fine. These planes continue to change
hands for a fair price i think. Just a different opinion though..dan
>From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Value
>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:15:00 -0500
>
>
>My bets the value will go DOWN big time,,,at least for the short run,
>depending what happens. Even if someone takes it over and trys to sell
>things again,,,,everyone will always be skeptical. This will be the ??
>times it has sold or changed management.. Bob U.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net>
>To: "Kitfox List"
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Value
>
>
> >
> > Another curiosity question. I have seriously considered selling my
>Classic IV and just wonder what the Skystar Chap 7 does to a Kitfox value.
>On one hand, you might not be able to get repair parts any more which would
>decrease the value. On the other hand, you can't buy a new Kitfox anymore
>which would drive the cost up. Just not sure which way the market swings
>in
>this kind of situation.
> >
> > Getting repair parts doesn't seem to be that big a deal. Just thinking
>out loud, there aren't too many parts on a Kitfox that can't be duplicated
>or rebuilt from scratch (IMO)
> >
> > Don Smythe
> >
> >
>
>
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm a semi-retired lawyer who used to do Chapter 7's and 13's some years ago. I'm
not current on the changes in the Bankruptcy Code rammed thru Congress last
year by the Credit Card industry, but Skystar's filing on 10/14 should fall under
the old code. Following are my best recollections of the process.
Don's not quite right regarding unsecured creditors. After the secured creditors
and "priority" debts (e.g. lawyer's fees) are paid, unsecured creditors get
what's left. It's not on a first-come basis, rather those who file a "proof of
claim" with the court receive a pro-rata distribution of the residual bankruptcy
estate. As a practical matter, at least in personal Ch 7's, the residual is
often zippo.
In its filing, Skystar would have had to include a list of creditors which will,
theoretically, name all of you out there who have paid for stuff and not received
it. They're required to send a proof of claim form to each listed creditor
and a notice with instructions on completing and filing the form. It must be
filed by the deadline on the notice (usually 90 days after the "first meeting
of creditors") or you maybe SOL.
Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho bankruptcy court's
website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of creditors and
the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call Skystar's bankruptcy
counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you are on it and don't get
a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the deadline for claims, go online
get the form (official form 10), fill it out and send it in before the drop-dead
date.
Don Pearsall wrote:
For all those still owed parts by Skystar: As I said before, I am just an
amateur lawyer, so take this advice as such. I have been "screwed" out of
$15,000 owed to me by a creditor to my business because the creditor
declared CH 7 bankruptcy. Did I get even ONE CENT. NO. Why? Because I was
very far down in the line of creditors, and the first ones to file claims
with the BK court get paid first.
You have to decide if it is worth paying a lawyer to help you make a claim,
and you have to do it fast. I have no idea how much the assets of Skystar
are, and how much the current creditors are owed now, but I have to think
that there will not be much of anything left as it stands right now.
Otherwise they would not have declared Ch 7.
So the time to make a decision is now. Make a claim right now or write it
off as a bad debt.
PS, I saw the final statement in the case of my BK claim. Guess who got the
most money? The creditors? Wrong. The lawyers did.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greaves
Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got
screwed by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was about 60
days out. I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a letter
but of course considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to someone
else accidentally', I have little faith that this letter will be in my box
anytime soon...
Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that
considering Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax, does
this mean I will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in Idaho
and be sold off to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase
debts to people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight is
20/20 and I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My
experience has been maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I would
have felt better with the engine I paid for.
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Harrington" <sonex321(at)msn.com> |
http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showtopic=49
Seems to be a list here.
bh
>
> I'm a semi-retired lawyer who used to do Chapter 7's and 13's some years
> ago. I'm not current on the changes in the Bankruptcy Code rammed thru
> Congress last year by the Credit Card industry, but Skystar's filing on
> 10/14 should fall under the old code. Following are my best recollections
> of the process.
>
> Don's not quite right regarding unsecured creditors. After the secured
> creditors and "priority" debts (e.g. lawyer's fees) are paid, unsecured
> creditors get what's left. It's not on a first-come basis, rather those
> who file a "proof of claim" with the court receive a pro-rata distribution
> of the residual bankruptcy estate. As a practical matter, at least in
> personal Ch 7's, the residual is often zippo.
>
> In its filing, Skystar would have had to include a list of creditors which
> will, theoretically, name all of you out there who have paid for stuff and
> not received it. They're required to send a proof of claim form to each
> listed creditor and a notice with instructions on completing and filing
> the form. It must be filed by the deadline on the notice (usually 90 days
> after the "first meeting of creditors") or you maybe SOL.
>
> Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho bankruptcy
> court's website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of
> creditors and the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call
> Skystar's bankruptcy counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you
> are on it and don't get a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the
> deadline for claims, go online get the form (official form 10), fill it
> out and send it in before the drop-dead date.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je(at)hotmail.com> |
In ref to Marco's letter......The list of creditors is published on another
site...
http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showforum=3
Hope it helps, Dan
>From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com>
.>
>.>Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho bankruptcy
>court's website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of
>creditors and the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call
>Skystar's bankruptcy counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you are
>on it and don't get a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the
>deadline for claims, go online get the form (official form 10), fill it out
>and send it in before the drop-dead date.
>
>
>Don Pearsall wrote:
>
>For all those still owed parts by Skystar: As I said before, I am just an
>amateur lawyer, so take this advice as such. I have been "screwed" out of
>$15,000 owed to me by a creditor to my business because the creditor
>declared CH 7 bankruptcy. Did I get even ONE CENT. NO. Why? Because I was
>very far down in the line of creditors, and the first ones to file claims
>with the BK court get paid first.
>
>You have to decide if it is worth paying a lawyer to help you make a claim,
>and you have to do it fast. I have no idea how much the assets of Skystar
>are, and how much the current creditors are owed now, but I have to think
>that there will not be much of anything left as it stands right now.
>Otherwise they would not have declared Ch 7.
>
>So the time to make a decision is now. Make a claim right now or write it
>off as a bad debt.
>
>PS, I saw the final statement in the case of my BK claim. Guess who got the
>most money? The creditors? Wrong. The lawyers did.
>
>
>Don Pearsall
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greaves
>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>
>
>Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got
>screwed by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was about 60
>days out. I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a letter
>but of course considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to someone
>else accidentally', I have little faith that this letter will be in my box
>anytime soon...
>Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that
>considering Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax, does
>this mean I will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in Idaho
>and be sold off to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
>I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase
>debts to people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight is
>20/20 and I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My
>experience has been maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I would
>have felt better with the engine I paid for.
>
>
>Marco Menezes
>Model 2 582 N99KX
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Kitfox V and Jabiru 2200 |
Hi Guys:
Would a Kitfox V be underpowered with a Jabiru 2200?
I'm just curious!
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| From: | "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless(at)barefootpilot.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox V and Jabiru 2200 |
In my opinion, a model 5 would be underpowered with a Jabiru 3300.
Cliff
>
> Hi Guys:
>
> Would a Kitfox V be underpowered with a Jabiru 2200?
> I'm just curious!
>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
>
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| From: | "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Skystar foxes etc |
Deep sympathies to all who are caught in the Skystar Chapter 7 bankruptcy -
the customers and the people at Skystar. I don't know if it helps anyone but
maybe there's some consolation in that the Kitfox is still being produced as
a factory built aircraft in Europe i.e. the Eurofox. I hasten to add that I
have no connection to Eurofox and most of what I know about them is what I
have learnt from a search on google. See below, two links which have quite a
lot of info. Because I am in Austria, next door to Slovakia where the
Eurofox is made, I also hear a bit of hangar talk about the Eurofox but I
have yet to see one in the fabric. I suspect this info. is of little use to
kit builders because the Eurofox is sold as a factory built plane, not a
kit. But surely a factory built plane must have parts supplies and so maybe
this is a source of at least some parts for kit builders? I don't know. I
just hope this goes a little way to reassuring everyone that the design is a
good one, that the plane has a future and we will all be able to keep flying
them and those who are in the process of building will be able to complete
them. By the way, we have had the final, final, inspection of the S5 outback
and now need to do a bit more paperwork and lots and lots of run-ups and
taxying but the day of the first flight is approaching. I will soon post
some photos. Wish us luck.
Kerry.
http://rlsa.bydanjohnson.com/index.cfm?b=6&m=4&i=23
http://www.rlsa.us/eurofox.htm
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "QSS" <msm(at)byterocky.net> |
This is an issue I have seen on the list a number of times. I had a
similar situation and decided after quite a lot of time looking around
and getting no where that I would make a template of the original broken
one and take it to a spring works for tempering. I had 4 made up for
next to nothing. They work beautifully. Im not sure how your liability
laws work in the USA but here in Oz no one will fabricate parts for
aircraft unless authorised to do so. My tail springs became farm
machinery parts. Problem solved.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Parts Needed
Steve, a friend used a J3 Cub spring. He had to shim the hole at the
fuse
end, but it worked.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Magdic, Steve" <steve.magdic(at)1psg.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Parts Needed
>
> Alas, the time has finally come. My tailwheel leaf spring gave up the
> ghost this past weekend.
> Of course, I do not have a spare, and am in need of a replacement. I
have
> sent off a parts request
> to SkyStar just for the heck of it but have little faith that I'll get
and
> answer much less make a
> purchase.
> Luckily I have a friend that borrowed his unused Matco assembly to me
> temporarily to get me back home.
> I am in need of the leaf spring assembly for a Model 3 with the Maule
type
> tailwheel.
> If there's anyone out there that know of a source for these
replacement
> leaf springs, please let me know.
> Thank you,
> Steve Magdic
> N490PA
> Wisconsin
>
>
>
--
12/10/2005
--
12/10/2005
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greaves" <tenorio41(at)comcast.net> |
Who else was told a few months ago by Crystal Loveland that our Rotaxs were a few
months from delivery? Being that my listed claim amount over on the lazair
website is nothing near the cost of the engine, does this mean my engine money
is in the hands of Rotax? And I would assume that when my engine (that my money
paid for) arrives in Idaho, it will be sold off to give me a few bucks and
cover the lawyer fees.
Fortunately the parts I need are likely going to be obtainable from suppliers (ie
grove, lp). Who supplies the fuel tanks?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com> |
Interesting....I am on the list.
I am fairly sure that they do not owe me anything. Maybe the list is not
as long as it looks.
I hope for the best possible outcome...... Whatever that may be.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of daniel johnson
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar
In ref to Marco's letter......The list of creditors is published on another
site...
http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showforum=3
Hope it helps, Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com> |
Man did you see all those employee paid out figures in the 5 figures Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>
> In ref to Marco's letter......The list of creditors is published on
another
> site...
> http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showforum=3
> Hope it helps, Dan
>
>
> >From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com>
> .>
> >.>Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho
bankruptcy
> >court's website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of
> >creditors and the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call
> >Skystar's bankruptcy counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you
are
> >on it and don't get a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the
> >deadline for claims, go online get the form (official form 10), fill it
out
> >and send it in before the drop-dead date.
> >
> >
> >Don Pearsall wrote:
> >
> >For all those still owed parts by Skystar: As I said before, I am just an
> >amateur lawyer, so take this advice as such. I have been "screwed" out of
> >$15,000 owed to me by a creditor to my business because the creditor
> >declared CH 7 bankruptcy. Did I get even ONE CENT. NO. Why? Because I was
> >very far down in the line of creditors, and the first ones to file claims
> >with the BK court get paid first.
> >
> >You have to decide if it is worth paying a lawyer to help you make a
claim,
> >and you have to do it fast. I have no idea how much the assets of Skystar
> >are, and how much the current creditors are owed now, but I have to think
> >that there will not be much of anything left as it stands right now.
> >Otherwise they would not have declared Ch 7.
> >
> >So the time to make a decision is now. Make a claim right now or write it
> >off as a bad debt.
> >
> >PS, I saw the final statement in the case of my BK claim. Guess who got
the
> >most money? The creditors? Wrong. The lawyers did.
> >
> >
> >Don Pearsall
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greaves
> >To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
> >
> >
> >Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got
> >screwed by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was about
60
> >days out. I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a letter
> >but of course considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to
someone
> >else accidentally', I have little faith that this letter will be in my
box
> >anytime soon...
> >Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that
> >considering Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax,
does
> >this mean I will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in
Idaho
> >and be sold off to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
> >I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase
> >debts to people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight is
> >20/20 and I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My
> >experience has been maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I would
> >have felt better with the engine I paid for.
> >
> >
> >Marco Menezes
> >Model 2 582 N99KX
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Need Series 5 cowling |
Good Golly, Kerry,
Thats just what I need BUT....distance here is the factor. I
appreciate ya getting back to me.
> Ron wrote,
>>Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top & bottom cowl. It must be the
>>one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
>
> Hi Ron, we have an unused cowl for the Continental 0-200 engine on a
> Series
> 5. Problem is we are in Vienna Austria and the freight costs would
> probably
> make this non-viable for you. However keep
> it in mind and if you don't source anything locally give me an email and
> we
> will try to work out a
> viable deal. Kerry.
> S5 builders helper.
> Taxied it on Sunday. Ohitsjustwunderbar.
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar(at)othertonair.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Large wingtank for Mk3 |
Hi, Gordon Faulkner here posting from England. Just joined the list in time
to hear the bad news about Skystar; explains why no response from them to my
emails. Hope someone picks up the pieces.
I've just started a Mk3 kit that was imported to UK by the original owner 15
years ago! The kit had changed ownership a couple of times since arriving in
UK but remained unstarted until last month. It had gathered a light coat of
rust so I've taken the airframe back to bare metal and recoated it.
My kit has two 6 gal aluminium wingtanks so I'd emailed Skystar about buying
a 13 gal wing tank for the righthand side to extend my range a little. Does
anyone know who manufactured these tanks and how I can contact them? I'm
assuming they weren't fabricated in-house by Skystar. Alternatively does
anyone have a used 13 gal tank (or even a pair) from a damaged Mk3? My wings
will have the standard one inch twist.
Obviously I'll pay a fair price and cover the cost of shipment to England.
Regards to all.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Large wingtank for Mk3 |
Gordon:
Steve Winder from Airdale, www.airdale.com, sell wing
tanks that fit the Kitfox III wings. Skystar never
had those wing tanks since the airfoil on Model III
and back is different from Model IV. Best wishes for
your project!
Jose
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
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| From: | "David Dawe" <davedawe(at)msn.com> |
didn't see Rotax on the list?????????
Smart, hey?
>From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:41:24 -0500
>
>
>Man did you see all those employee paid out figures in the 5 figures Bob
>U.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je(at)hotmail.com>
>To:
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>
>
>
> >
> > In ref to Marco's letter......The list of creditors is published on
>another
> > site...
> > http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showforum=3
> > Hope it helps, Dan
> >
> >
> > >From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com>
> > .>
> > >.>Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho
>bankruptcy
> > >court's website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of
> > >creditors and the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call
> > >Skystar's bankruptcy counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you
>are
> > >on it and don't get a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the
> > >deadline for claims, go online get the form (official form 10), fill it
>out
> > >and send it in before the drop-dead date.
> > >
> > >
> > >Don Pearsall wrote:
> > >
> > >For all those still owed parts by Skystar: As I said before, I am just
>an
> > >amateur lawyer, so take this advice as such. I have been "screwed" out
>of
> > >$15,000 owed to me by a creditor to my business because the creditor
> > >declared CH 7 bankruptcy. Did I get even ONE CENT. NO. Why? Because I
>was
> > >very far down in the line of creditors, and the first ones to file
>claims
> > >with the BK court get paid first.
> > >
> > >You have to decide if it is worth paying a lawyer to help you make a
>claim,
> > >and you have to do it fast. I have no idea how much the assets of
>Skystar
> > >are, and how much the current creditors are owed now, but I have to
>think
> > >that there will not be much of anything left as it stands right now.
> > >Otherwise they would not have declared Ch 7.
> > >
> > >So the time to make a decision is now. Make a claim right now or write
>it
> > >off as a bad debt.
> > >
> > >PS, I saw the final statement in the case of my BK claim. Guess who got
>the
> > >most money? The creditors? Wrong. The lawyers did.
> > >
> > >
> > >Don Pearsall
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greaves
> > >To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
> > >
> > >
> > >Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got
> > >screwed by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was
>about
>60
> > >days out. I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a
>letter
> > >but of course considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to
>someone
> > >else accidentally', I have little faith that this letter will be in my
>box
> > >anytime soon...
> > >Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that
> > >considering Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax,
>does
> > >this mean I will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in
>Idaho
> > >and be sold off to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
> > >I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase
> > >debts to people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight
>is
> > >20/20 and I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My
> > >experience has been maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I
>would
> > >have felt better with the engine I paid for.
> > >
> > >
> > >Marco Menezes
> > >Model 2 582 N99KX
> > >
> > >---------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> >
> > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "glen rowland" <grav8(at)mybluelight.com> |
| Subject: | need builders manual |
Hi Folks.
I am new to the list. With the unfortunate fall of skystar I am left with a Kitfox
5 sitting on the gear with no wings. With a little info from the great people
on this list I hope to scratch build my wings and finish this plane. What
I need is a copy of the "wing construction chapter" from the builders manual.
if any one can help contact me here or by e-mail and I will pay for the copies
or if anyone is building a KF 5, 6, or 7 near Indianapolis, IN I would love to
talk with you.
Thanks Glen
Hi Folks.
I am new to the list. With the unfortunate fall of skystar I am left with a Kitfox
5 sitting on the gear with no wings. With a little info from the great people
on this list I hope to scratch build my wings and finish this plane. What
I need is a copy of the "wing construction chapter" from the builders manual.
if any one can help contact me here or by e-mail and I will pay for the copies
or if anyone is building a KF 5, 6, or 7 near Indianapolis, IN I would love to
talk with you.
Thanks Glen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Hm Doud" <hmdoud(at)ev1.net> |
I'll bet there are some Kitfoxers out here who have replaced the 6 gal. gas tank
with a 13 gal tank????
I want to replace my right hand tank (a 6 gal) with a 13 gal. tank that I have.
The left hand tank has already been replaced with the13 gal tank, before I
bought the plane. I haven't cut the fabric out of the RH wing yet, as I wonder
how to cut the convex saddles on the tank, from the round front and rear spars.
The adhesive that was used to fasten in the tank, when the plane was built,
seems to be pretty strong.
Has anyone out there made the change and how did you do it?
Herbert Doud
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar(at)othertonair.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Large wingtank for Mk3 |
Thanks for the help Jose, I'll contact Airdale rightaway.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Large wingtank for Mk3
>
> Gordon:
>
> Steve Winder from Airdale, www.airdale.com, sell wing
> tanks that fit the Kitfox III wings. Skystar never
> had those wing tanks since the airfoil on Model III
> and back is different from Model IV. Best wishes for
> your project!
>
> Jose
>
>
> Jose M. Toro, P.E.
> Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
> "A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tom Jones <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net> |
Herbert,
I used fishing line. It was some of the ultra strong but fine type. It
was quick and easy.
Tom Jones
Hm Doud wrote:
>
>I'll bet there are some Kitfoxers out here who have replaced the 6 gal. gas tank
with a 13 gal tank????
>
>I want to replace my right hand tank (a 6 gal) with a 13 gal. tank that I have.
The left hand tank has already been replaced with the13 gal tank, before I
bought the plane. I haven't cut the fabric out of the RH wing yet, as I wonder
how to cut the convex saddles on the tank, from the round front and rear spars.
The adhesive that was used to fasten in the tank, when the plane was built,
seems to be pretty strong.
>
>Has anyone out there made the change and how did you do it?
>
>Herbert Doud
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Upper Strut Attach PointUpper Strut Attach Point |
"Flyer" sez:
>I agree Guy. That's why I use 5G. 6G is ultimate (the struts broke
>at that value) and I don't want to experience ultimate loading!
I don't know whose struts broke at 6g, but when I bought my original
Model IV kit the promotion material Denney had at the time showed
photographs of destructive wing testing they performed in house: the
wing, lift struts and associated fuselage attach points survived 14g
(simulated with sandbags) without failing.
I also had the opportunity to study the effects of my crash landing
on the structure--none of the welded or bolted points on the wings,
struts, or fuselage failed in what was estimated by the rescuers to
be a 20g impact.
I have no concerns about the strength of the Kitfox airframe.
Mike G.
N728KF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | EMAproducts(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: parts needed |
Gentlemen,
As far as parts you are in better shape than many that own classic aircraft
where there are no factory parts available, nor very many to use for patterns!
Among your group you have the knowledge, ability, and numbers to have someone
who would make perhaps every part on the plane at a price not to much higher
than SkyStar should they not find a buyer willing to start it up again. I own
a Funk, and we are fortunate in having a good owners association and a man
who has all parts available ~ the company went out of business in '48.
No more talk of hanging it from ceiling ~ Airplanes are to fly, so fly them
and fix when needed. You have a great product ~~ enjoy it and fly it!
Elbie Mendenhall
Now handling GRS (Galaxy Ballistic Parachutes) and Woodcomp Propellers
(ground adjustable & in-flight adjustable, electronic & manual and aircraft our
importer sells, Sting Sport LSA and other aircraft in near future.
Outstanding Customer Service is our Motto
If you like it let others know,
If not let me know!
Elbie Mendenhall
EM Aviation, LLC
13411 NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie WA 98606
360-260-0772
www.riteangle.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Little Good News |
Congratulation Mike. Wanna buy a Fox?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
>>From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net>
>>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
>>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:33:51 -0700
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
>>little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
>>accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "eccles" <eccles(at)Chartermi.net> |
| Subject: | need builders manual |
Glen
do you have all the parts ? I will be happy to copy my wing chapter for you
let me know if and what you need
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of glen rowland
Subject: Kitfox-List: need builders manual
Hi Folks.
I am new to the list. With the unfortunate fall of skystar I am left with a
Kitfox 5 sitting on the gear with no wings. With a little info from the
great people on this list I hope to scratch build my wings and finish this
plane. What I need is a copy of the "wing construction chapter" from the
builders manual. if any one can help contact me here or by e-mail and I will
pay for the copies or if anyone is building a KF 5, 6, or 7 near
Indianapolis, IN I would love to talk with you.
Thanks Glen
Hi Folks.
I am new to the list. With the unfortunate fall of skystar I am left with a
Kitfox 5 sitting on the gear with no wings. With a little info from the
great people on this list I hope to scratch build my wings and finish this
plane. What I need is a copy of the "wing construction chapter" from the
builders manual. if any one can help contact me here or by e-mail and I will
pay for the copies or if anyone is building a KF 5, 6, or 7 near
Indianapolis, IN I would love to talk with you.
Thanks Glen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A Little Good News |
Don:
Do you have one for sale?
Jose
--- Don Smythe wrote:
>
>
> Congratulation Mike. Wanna buy a Fox?
>
> Don Smythe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net>
> >>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> >>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> >>Subject: Kitfox-List: A Little Good News
> >>Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:33:51 -0700
> >>
>
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you
> won't mind a
> >>little bit of good personal news. It's been 14
> months since the
> >>accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and
> I've spent the time
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jose M. Toro, P.E.
Kitfox II/582->Jabiru 2200
"A slow flight in the Caribbean..."
__________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com> |
Check out this story on EAA website: http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/051018_skystar.html
David Dawe wrote:
didn't see Rotax on the list?????????
Smart, hey?
>From: "Bob Unternaehrer"
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:41:24 -0500
>
>
>Man did you see all those employee paid out figures in the 5 figures Bob
>U.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "daniel johnson"
>To:
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Skystar
>
>
> >
> > In ref to Marco's letter......The list of creditors is published on
>another
> > site...
> > http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showforum=3
> > Hope it helps, Dan
> >
> >
> > >From: Marco Menezes
> > .>
> > >.>Those who are on the hook for big bucks should go to the Idaho
>bankruptcy
> > >court's website and pay whatever it costs to have a look at the list of
> > >creditors and the notice to creditors. If you're not on the list, call
> > >Skystar's bankruptcy counsel and/or go see your own lawyer ASAP. If you
>are
> > >on it and don't get a claim form or notice within 10 days or so of the
> > >deadline for claims, go online get the form (official form 10), fill it
>out
> > >and send it in before the drop-dead date.
> > >
> > >
> > >Don Pearsall wrote:
> > >
> > >For all those still owed parts by Skystar: As I said before, I am just
>an
> > >amateur lawyer, so take this advice as such. I have been "screwed" out
>of
> > >$15,000 owed to me by a creditor to my business because the creditor
> > >declared CH 7 bankruptcy. Did I get even ONE CENT. NO. Why? Because I
>was
> > >very far down in the line of creditors, and the first ones to file
>claims
> > >with the BK court get paid first.
> > >
> > >You have to decide if it is worth paying a lawyer to help you make a
>claim,
> > >and you have to do it fast. I have no idea how much the assets of
>Skystar
> > >are, and how much the current creditors are owed now, but I have to
>think
> > >that there will not be much of anything left as it stands right now.
> > >Otherwise they would not have declared Ch 7.
> > >
> > >So the time to make a decision is now. Make a claim right now or write
>it
> > >off as a bad debt.
> > >
> > >PS, I saw the final statement in the case of my BK claim. Guess who got
>the
> > >most money? The creditors? Wrong. The lawyers did.
> > >
> > >
> > >Don Pearsall
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > >[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greaves
> > >To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> > >Subject: Kitfox-List: Skystar
> > >
> > >
> > >Anyone got any recommended courses of action to take when you just got
> > >screwed by the chapter 7? About 60 days ago I was told my 912s was
>about
>60
> > >days out. I think I just got screwed. I hear I should be getting a
>letter
> > >but of course considering that I ordered a kit and it was 'sent to
>someone
> > >else accidentally', I have little faith that this letter will be in my
>box
> > >anytime soon...
> > >Anybody else in my sinking boat with me? One question I have is that
> > >considering Skystar told me my engine money was in the hands of Rotax,
>does
> > >this mean I will get the engine on order? My luck it would arrive in
>Idaho
> > >and be sold off to pay for this Chapter 7 crap....
> > >I cannot have any respect for the Chapter 7 decision....filing to erase
> > >debts to people that held faith is nothing short of immoral. Hindsight
>is
> > >20/20 and I should have never considered a Kitfox. Sad but true. My
> > >experience has been maddening. Luckily I have most of my kit but I
>would
> > >have felt better with the engine I paid for.
> > >
> > >
> > >Marco Menezes
> > >Model 2 582 N99KX
> > >
> > >---------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> >
> > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
> >
> >
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Little Good News |
I've been hesitant to say but, it is very likely that I might. Since
retirement (two years now) my interest seemed to have shifted and I just
don't have the time to get to the airport.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com>
> Don:
>
> Do you have one for sale?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
Received the below from another party. Don't know the origin.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
> KITFOX MANUFACTURER SKYSTAR FILES FOR BANKRUPTCY
> Kitfox aircraft kit manufacturer Skystar Aircraft Corp. has filed for
> bankruptcy under Chapter 7, EAA reported on Tuesday. According to
> documents obtained by EAA, the filing took place on Friday, Oct. 14, in
> Idaho. Those documents show the company's claimed assets totaled about
> $1.1 million, with liabilities of nearly $1.7 million. Skystar President
> Frank Miller could not be reached, but the company's bankruptcy attorney,
> David Kras, told EAA that plans are to liquidate company assets and pay
> off the creditors. Individuals who paid Skystar for kits or parts that
> were never delivered may be entitled to file a priority claim, which could
> give them a better chance to recover at least some portion of their
> payment, EAA said. More...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net> |
Don, I think that snippet of an article came from Avweb.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Smythe
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: KITFOX
Received the below from another party. Don't know the origin.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
> KITFOX MANUFACTURER SKYSTAR FILES FOR BANKRUPTCY
> Kitfox aircraft kit manufacturer Skystar Aircraft Corp. has filed for
> bankruptcy under Chapter 7, EAA reported on Tuesday. According to
> documents obtained by EAA, the filing took place on Friday, Oct. 14, in
> Idaho. Those documents show the company's claimed assets totaled about
> $1.1 million, with liabilities of nearly $1.7 million. Skystar President
> Frank Miller could not be reached, but the company's bankruptcy attorney,
> David Kras, told EAA that plans are to liquidate company assets and pay
> off the creditors. Individuals who paid Skystar for kits or parts that
> were never delivered may be entitled to file a priority claim, which could
> give them a better chance to recover at least some portion of their
> payment, EAA said. More...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tom Jones <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Little Good News |
It may now be worth more parted out and sold part by part.
Tom Jones
Don Smythe wrote:
>
>I've been hesitant to say but, it is very likely that I might. Since
>retirement (two years now) my interest seemed to have shifted and I just
>don't have the time to get to the airport.
>
>Don Smythe
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro(at)yahoo.com>
>
>
>>Don:
>>
>>Do you have one for sale?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need Series 5 cowling |
Do you still have the round cowl available? Would it fit a III?
We might be able to work something out as I have the molds for the Cessna
style cowl. A friend and I are trying to learn the process of gel coating
and producing cowls with these molds. Still too early to know if we will be
successful.
>From: rliebmann(at)comcast.net
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Series 5 cowling
>Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:18:02 +0000
>
>
>Hi Listers,
>
>Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top & bottom cowl. It must be the
>one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
>
>I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for sale
>too.
>
>Thanks, Ron N55KF
>
>
>Hi Listers,
>
>Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top bottom cowl. It must be the
>one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
>
>I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for sale
>too.
>
>Thanks, Ron N55KF
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rex Hefferan <kitfox-m2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Future engine choice? |
November 27, 2004 A white paper on a revolutionary new approach to engine
design has been released at the Global Powertrain Conference (GPC) in
Dearborn, Michigan, USA. Quasiturbine technology uses photo-detonation for
low-power-efficiency and requires low octane, additive-free gasoline or
diesel fuel. It is also multi-fuel compatible (including direct hydrogen
combustion) and offers a drastic reduction in existing propulsion system
weight, size, maintenance and costs. Utilised within the internal combustion
engine, the photo-detonation process could save half the gasoline now
consumed by vehicles and provide substantial environmental benefits.
The Quasiturbine looks at first like a rotary engine with a deformable rotor
made of four identical blades, but because it has no crankshaft and does not
follow sinusoidal motion, it has properties far different from the piston
and the Wankel rotary piston engine. The Quasiturbine engine has been
developed to simultaneously optimize the 14 most important engine
parameters, including compatibility with the revolutionary photo-detonation
mode (knocking), which the piston engine cannot effectively tolerate. When
taken together, these improvements increase fuel efficiency while
simultaneously reducing exhaust emissions.
Inspired by the turbine, it perfects the piston, and improves on the Wankel.
For more information visit following websites,
http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/
http://www.gizmag.com/go/3501/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps(at)tznet.com> |
| Subject: | Where will we get parts in the future? |
----- Original Message ----- >
> It may now be worth more parted out and sold part by part.
> Tom Jones
Ok guys, lets not be too hard on ourselves here. Before everyone gives
their airplanes away or parts them out, here's a snippet from the Avid Forum
right after Avid went out of business that might make you all feel better.
I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts much the
same as Airdale did for Avid. We have a lot of capable and experienced
people in this group that may have been looking for this opportunity to open
up? And when you think about it, many certified aircraft flying today are
no longer supported by their manufacturers, yet they continue to fly just
the same utilizing aftermarket suppliers (eg Stinson, Taylorcraft, Funk,
Bellanca, old Pipers, Lake, etc, etc)
Paul Seehafer
(Here's the message sent to the Avid group a couple years ago)
--- In avid_flyer(at)yahoogroups.com, "englishav8r" wrote:
>>
>> Airdale can make and supply ALL the parts for a Standard Avid Flyer.
>> (A,B,C, MkIV D, E, Speedwings and Aerobatic Speedwings)
>> All the Wing Parts for Magnum, and Catalina. (Ribs, Tanks, Flaperons
>> etc..)
>> BUT the original Avid Flyer is now nearly 20 years old, Cuyuna powered
>> and some of the original parts are Difficult or too expensive for a
>> builder to afford!
>>
>> Most of the parts are made to order as it is just NOT economical to
>> have on the shelf stock on some. But we do have short Batch runs on
>> certain high cost items in an effort to keep the labor time down..
>> (Flaperons, Landing Gear, Bungees, Ribs, Fiberglass parts)
>>
>> Raw material costs vary on a week by week basis--especailly when its
>> small numbers--hence when are part is required we quote at todays
>> prices...
>>
>> One of the biggest problems are Part finished and used kits out there---
>> Many times we get requests for a Bellcrank, push pull rod, bracket
>> etc....In this instance we have to duplicate as per original---usually
>> from an original we then work on a time and materials basis
>> but we persevere and try to help every one out there.
>> We support you and you support us...that's the name of the game..
>>
>> We are able to supply an Avid "MkIV" kit right from nose to tail...
>> this we already do for the European Market where it is recognised as
>> the same type---for certification purposes..BUT fuselage is slightly
>> different---longer / wider---
>>
>> So in a Nutshell.
>>
>> If Its On Your Avid, AIRDALE Probably Makes It---
>>
>> Maybe this is the Simple message that should go on our web page?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Steve at Airdale....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kerrjohna(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Where will we get parts in the future? |
following up on Paul's comment, (John step in here) but Skystar did not appear
to do much actual fabrication beyond the weldments. And I doubt than many of
us (you) are missing weldments, perhaps with the exception of motor mounts. There
exists a cadre of suppliers to Skystar with the capability of producing the
components that are missing out in the garages of the list members. What is
needed is someone to pull from those suppliers in committment to deliver......
John McBean is a prime candidate to pull it all together..
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
>
> ----- Original Message ----- >
> > It may now be worth more parted out and sold part by part.
> > Tom Jones
>
> Ok guys, lets not be too hard on ourselves here. Before everyone gives
> their airplanes away or parts them out, here's a snippet from the Avid Forum
> right after Avid went out of business that might make you all feel better.
> I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts much the
> same as Airdale did for Avid. We have a lot of capable and experienced
> people in this group that may have been looking for this opportunity to open
> up? And when you think about it, many certified aircraft flying today are
> no longer supported by their manufacturers, yet they continue to fly just
> the same utilizing aftermarket suppliers (eg Stinson, Taylorcraft, Funk,
> Bellanca, old Pipers, Lake, etc, etc)
>
> Paul Seehafer
>
>
> (Here's the message sent to the Avid group a couple years ago)
>
> --- In avid_flyer(at)yahoogroups.com, "englishav8r" wrote:
> >>
> >> Airdale can make and supply ALL the parts for a Standard Avid Flyer.
> >> (A,B,C, MkIV D, E, Speedwings and Aerobatic Speedwings)
> >> All the Wing Parts for Magnum, and Catalina. (Ribs, Tanks, Flaperons
> >> etc..)
> >> BUT the original Avid Flyer is now nearly 20 years old, Cuyuna powered
> >> and some of the original parts are Difficult or too expensive for a
> >> builder to afford!
> >>
> >> Most of the parts are made to order as it is just NOT economical to
> >> have on the shelf stock on some. But we do have short Batch runs on
> >> certain high cost items in an effort to keep the labor time down..
> >> (Flaperons, Landing Gear, Bungees, Ribs, Fiberglass parts)
> >>
> >> Raw material costs vary on a week by week basis--especailly when its
> >> small numbers--hence when are part is required we quote at todays
> >> prices...
> >>
> >> One of the biggest problems are Part finished and used kits out there---
> >> Many times we get requests for a Bellcrank, push pull rod, bracket
> >> etc....In this instance we have to duplicate as per original---usually
> >> from an original we then work on a time and materials basis
> >> but we persevere and try to help every one out there.
> >> We support you and you support us...that's the name of the game..
> >>
> >> We are able to supply an Avid "MkIV" kit right from nose to tail...
> >> this we already do for the European Market where it is recognised as
> >> the same type---for certification purposes..BUT fuselage is slightly
> >> different---longer / wider---
> >>
> >> So in a Nutshell.
> >>
> >> If Its On Your Avid, AIRDALE Probably Makes It---
> >>
> >> Maybe this is the Simple message that should go on our web page?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Steve at Airdale....
>
>
>
>
>
>
following up on Paul's comment, (John step in here) but Skystar did not appear
to do much actual fabrication beyond the weldments. And I doubt than many of us
(you) are missing weldments, perhaps with the exception of motor mounts. There
exists a cadre of suppliers to Skystar with the capability of producing the
components that are missing out in the garages of the list members. What is needed
is someone to pull from those suppliers in committment to deliver......
John McBean is a prime candidate to pull it all together..
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer"
----- Original Message -----
It may now be worth more parted out and sold part by part.
Tom Jones
Ok guys, lets not be too hard on ourselves here. Before everyone gives
their airplanes away or parts them out, here's a snippet from the Avid Forum
right after Avid went out of business that might make you all feel better.
I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts much the
same as Airdale did for Avid. We have a lot of capable and experienced
people in this group that may have been looking for this opportunity to open
up? And when you think about it, many certified aircraft flying today are
no longer supported b
y their manufacturers, yet they continue to fly just
the same utilizing aftermarket suppliers (eg Stinson, Taylorcraft, Funk,
Bellanca, old Pipers, Lake, etc, etc)
Paul Seehafer
(Here's the message sent to the Avid group a couple years ago)
--- In avid_flyer(at)yahoogroups.com, "englishav8r" wrote:
Airdale can make and supply ALL the parts for a Standard Avid Flyer.
(A,B,C, MkIV D, E, Speedwings and Aerobatic Speedwings)
All the Wing Parts for Magnum, and Catalina. (Ribs, Tanks, Flaperons
etc..)
BUT the original Avid Flyer is now nearly 20 years old, Cuyuna powered
and some of the original parts are Difficult or too expensive for a
builder to afford!
Most of the parts are made to order as it is just NOT econo
mical to
have on the shelf stock on some. But we do have short Batch runs on
certain high cost items in an effort to keep the labor time down..
(Flaperons, Landing Gear, Bungees, Ribs, Fiberglass parts)
Raw material costs vary on a week by week basis--especailly when its
small numbers--hence when are part is required we quote at todays
prices...
One of the biggest problems are Part finished and used kits out there---
Many times we get requests for a Bellcrank, push pull rod, bracket
etc....In this instance we have to duplicate as per original---usually
from an original we then work on a time and materials basis
but we persevere and try to help every one out there.
We support you and you support us...that's the name of the game.
.
We are able to supply an Avid "MkIV" kit right from nose to tail...
this we already do for the European Market where it is recognised as
the same type---for certification purposes..BUT fuselage is slightly
different---longer / wider---
So in a Nutshell.
If Its On Your Avid, AIRDALE Probably Makes It---
Maybe this is the Simple message that should go on our web page?
Regards,
Steve at Airdale....
,
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Where will we get parts in the future? |
Snip... I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts
much the same as Airdale did for Avid.
We have been helping Kitfoxers for the last 2 years from a technical side
(not only on the list) and with some parts... We are also trying to gather
parts to support the Kitfox family. As most of you know Debra and I both
worked at SkyStar until 2 years ago when we started Sport Plane LLC. We are
going to do our best to continue the support. If you are in need, or are
looking for something give us a shout. I know Steve at Airdale and have
worked with him in the past... Unfortunately our web is not 100% current
so if you do not see it there give us a call or email. We are established
with several vendors and can get most parts from wheels and brakes to gas
cap fairings.
I have been on the list personally to help whenever I can... I'm not going
anywhere.. Need parts ? Let us know if can help. We may not be able to help
right away but given a little time and support we can get there.
www.sportplanellc.com
John McBean
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Seehafer
Subject: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future?
----- Original Message ----- >
> It may now be worth more parted out and sold part by part.
> Tom Jones
Ok guys, lets not be too hard on ourselves here. Before everyone gives
their airplanes away or parts them out, here's a snippet from the Avid Forum
right after Avid went out of business that might make you all feel better.
I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts much the
same as Airdale did for Avid. We have a lot of capable and experienced
people in this group that may have been looking for this opportunity to open
up? And when you think about it, many certified aircraft flying today are
no longer supported by their manufacturers, yet they continue to fly just
the same utilizing aftermarket suppliers (eg Stinson, Taylorcraft, Funk,
Bellanca, old Pipers, Lake, etc, etc)
Paul Seehafer
(Here's the message sent to the Avid group a couple years ago)
--- In avid_flyer(at)yahoogroups.com, "englishav8r" wrote:
>>
>> Airdale can make and supply ALL the parts for a Standard Avid Flyer.
>> (A,B,C, MkIV D, E, Speedwings and Aerobatic Speedwings)
>> All the Wing Parts for Magnum, and Catalina. (Ribs, Tanks, Flaperons
>> etc..)
>> BUT the original Avid Flyer is now nearly 20 years old, Cuyuna powered
>> and some of the original parts are Difficult or too expensive for a
>> builder to afford!
>>
>> Most of the parts are made to order as it is just NOT economical to
>> have on the shelf stock on some. But we do have short Batch runs on
>> certain high cost items in an effort to keep the labor time down..
>> (Flaperons, Landing Gear, Bungees, Ribs, Fiberglass parts)
>>
>> Raw material costs vary on a week by week basis--especailly when its
>> small numbers--hence when are part is required we quote at todays
>> prices...
>>
>> One of the biggest problems are Part finished and used kits out there---
>> Many times we get requests for a Bellcrank, push pull rod, bracket
>> etc....In this instance we have to duplicate as per original---usually
>> from an original we then work on a time and materials basis
>> but we persevere and try to help every one out there.
>> We support you and you support us...that's the name of the game..
>>
>> We are able to supply an Avid "MkIV" kit right from nose to tail...
>> this we already do for the European Market where it is recognised as
>> the same type---for certification purposes..BUT fuselage is slightly
>> different---longer / wider---
>>
>> So in a Nutshell.
>>
>> If Its On Your Avid, AIRDALE Probably Makes It---
>>
>> Maybe this is the Simple message that should go on our web page?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Steve at Airdale....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Grant Fluent <gjfpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Hello All,
About a year ago, I completed a video project
putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded.
With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
them?
Thanks,
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels(at)fmtc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Where will we get parts in the future? |
I agree with John. He can get you almost anything you need. Skystar did
not make most of its stuff in house, and what they did from what I
understand was on jigs that were leased from the previous owner. While
this has been hard on those of us that have lost money and struggled
with this for some time, it does give some closure and allows us to move
on. The suspense is over and now someone will undoubtedly pick up the
pieces and make it better than it has been for years. The Fox is still
the best plane of its type out there and I am sure it will live on.
The real pain is for those that paid for kits and did not get them. If
you paid for a kit recently and did not get it you might consider
contacting the postal inspector. It is not who you would expect to
investigate this type of thing but they are the best at this type of
thing. They have unlimited budgets to call witnesses and investigate
over the entire county, and e-mail, checks, letters, contracts,
advertising and the like fall under mail fraud. A friend and I bought
an aircraft engine from a company that did not have what it said it had.
I pursued it with the postal inspectors and the head of that company got
54 months in federal prison. While I am sure that the principals in
Skystar are suffering a lot, and have lost everything they own, that is
still no excuse for taking money for items they know they can not
deliver. If that is in fact the case they need to go to jail.
Alan
jdmcbean wrote:
>
>Snip... I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts
>much the same as Airdale did for Avid.
>
>We have been helping Kitfoxers for the last 2 years from a technical side
>(not only on the list) and with some parts... We are also trying to gather
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Need Series 5 cowling |
Hi Bruce,
The Series 5 cowling is too big for the III. I have found 2 Series 5
"Lycombing" style cowls from "listers" so I will probably buy one of them. I
think its great that you have the molds for the cowling. I think that they
will bring you $$$ in the fuure allowing you to make and sell them.
I'll follow your progress if you let the list know when you start making
them.
Take care, Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Series 5 cowling
>
>
> Do you still have the round cowl available? Would it fit a III?
>
> We might be able to work something out as I have the molds for the Cessna
> style cowl. A friend and I are trying to learn the process of gel coating
> and producing cowls with these molds. Still too early to know if we will
> be
> successful.
>
>
>>From: rliebmann(at)comcast.net
>>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Series 5 cowling
>>Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:18:02 +0000
>>
>>
>>Hi Listers,
>>
>>Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top & bottom cowl. It must be the
>>one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
>>
>>I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for
>>sale
>>too.
>>
>>Thanks, Ron N55KF
>>
>>
>>Hi Listers,
>>
>>Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top bottom cowl. It must be the
>>one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
>>
>>I have a round cowl set which would be good for a Rotax 912 engine for
>>sale
>>too.
>>
>>Thanks, Ron N55KF
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Kitfox Promotional Videos |
| From: | "Blackwell, Rodney" <rblackwell(at)ppg.com> |
Grant, I would be interested. I loaned out the two VHS tapes out many times and
ended up losing them, because I couldn't remember who I loaned them too. The
one with the speedster doing acrobatics is the one I miss the most. Thanks,
RB Model III 582
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
Hello All,
About a year ago, I completed a video project
putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded.
With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
them?
Thanks,
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Grant,
Count me in. Jeff Classic IV. Ohio
> [Original Message]
> From: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Date: 10/21/2005 1:47:31 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>
>
> Hello All,
> About a year ago, I completed a video project
> putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
> could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
> sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
> distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded.
> With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
> send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
> there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
> them?
> Thanks,
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Grant Fluent wrote:
>
>Hello All,
> About a year ago, I completed a video project
>putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
>could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
>sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
>distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded.
>With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
>send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
>there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
>them?
>Thanks,
>Grant Fluent
>Newcastle, NE
>Classic IV 912S
>
>
>
>
Grant,
Count me in also.
Jim Gilliatt
West Greenwich, RI Series 7
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Grant,
I don't know about LEGALLY, as I am sure that the material was copyrighted,
but reality should intrude here. There is no one left to tell you that you
can't distribute it.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
Hello All,
About a year ago, I completed a video project
putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded.
With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
them?
Thanks,
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com> |
| Subject: | Future engine choice? |
Rex,
Thanks for pointing this out. It does look like it would be great for
airplanes. I suspect that there is 8 - 10 years of development until it is
available though.
I am surprised that I hadn't heard of it before.
Another link with a useful explanation:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/quasiturbine3.htm
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hefferan
Subject: Kitfox-List: Future engine choice?
November 27, 2004 A white paper on a revolutionary new approach to engine
design has been released at the Global Powertrain Conference (GPC) in
Dearborn, Michigan, USA. Quasiturbine technology uses photo-detonation for
low-power-efficiency and requires low octane, additive-free gasoline or
diesel fuel. It is also multi-fuel compatible (including direct hydrogen
combustion) and offers a drastic reduction in existing propulsion system
weight, size, maintenance and costs. Utilised within the internal combustion
engine, the photo-detonation process could save half the gasoline now
consumed by vehicles and provide substantial environmental benefits.
The Quasiturbine looks at first like a rotary engine with a deformable rotor
made of four identical blades, but because it has no crankshaft and does not
follow sinusoidal motion, it has properties far different from the piston
and the Wankel rotary piston engine. The Quasiturbine engine has been
developed to simultaneously optimize the 14 most important engine
parameters, including compatibility with the revolutionary photo-detonation
mode (knocking), which the piston engine cannot effectively tolerate. When
taken together, these improvements increase fuel efficiency while
simultaneously reducing exhaust emissions.
Inspired by the turbine, it perfects the piston, and improves on the Wankel.
For more information visit following websites,
http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/
http://www.gizmag.com/go/3501/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Put me in as a yes. Dan Johnson..Ohio
>From: "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair(at)mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:45:17 -0400
>
>
>Grant,
>Count me in. Jeff Classic IV. Ohio
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot(at)yahoo.com>
> > To:
> > Date: 10/21/2005 1:47:31 PM
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> > About a year ago, I completed a video project
> > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
> > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
> > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
> > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded.
> > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
> > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
> > there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
> > them?
> > Thanks,
> > Grant Fluent
> > Newcastle, NE
> > Classic IV 912S
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Grant Fluent <gjfpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Don,
That is the same thing I was thinking. I wouldn't
think anyone would be upset because someone is helping
to promote their product - or at least now helping it
maintain popularity...
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Don Pearsall wrote:
>
>
> Grant,
> I don't know about LEGALLY, as I am sure that the
> material was copyrighted,
> but reality should intrude here. There is no one
> left to tell you that you
> can't distribute it.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>
>
>
> Hello All,
> About a year ago, I completed a video project
> putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
> could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
> sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
> distribute to the Kitfox list but he never
> responded.
> With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
> send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
> there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
> them?
> Thanks,
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Grant Fluent <gjfpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Hello All,
There appears to be some interest in seeing the
promotional videos that I have put on two DVD's. For
anyone that wants to buy one, I will mail them out for
$5. This will cover the postage, dvd media, my time,
and wear & tear on my dvd burner.
If you'd rather watch them and mail them on to the
next person, we can do that too. Keep in mind it will
cost over a $1 for postage and your time to package it
and mail it to the next person.
Send me an email off list if you'd like to buy the
dvd's or just watch them and mail them on to the next
person. I'll keep the two lists and put the names in
the order that they were received. For the 8 people
that have already expressed interest, let me know what
you'd like to do.
Thanks,
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Grant Fluent wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
> About a year ago, I completed a video project
> putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
> could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
> sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
> distribute to the Kitfox list but he never
> responded.
> With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
> send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
> there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
> them?
> Thanks,
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harris, Robert" <Robert_Harris(at)intuit.com> |
| Subject: | Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Hi Grant,
I would love a copy of the Kitfox promotional videos and will pay you for
your time, shipping and materials. Please mail them to the address below
with the amount I owe you.
P.S. I've watched the 2002 Alaska video many times and love it.
Robert Harris
122 Escondido Ave, Suite 201
Vista, CA 92084
760-415-1891
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Hi Grant..i'd love to have a copy to keep. I'll send a check ..whats your
address? Dan Johnson..and thanks for doing this. Dan Johnson 1395
Dillingham Court Columbus Ohio 43228
>From: Grant Fluent <gjfpilot(at)yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:10:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Hello All,
> There appears to be some interest in seeing the
>promotional videos that I have put on two DVD's. For
>anyone that wants to buy one, I will mail them out for
>$5. This will cover the postage, dvd media, my time,
>and wear & tear on my dvd burner.
> If you'd rather watch them and mail them on to the
>next person, we can do that too. Keep in mind it will
>cost over a $1 for postage and your time to package it
>and mail it to the next person.
> Send me an email off list if you'd like to buy the
>dvd's or just watch them and mail them on to the next
>person. I'll keep the two lists and put the names in
>the order that they were received. For the 8 people
>that have already expressed interest, let me know what
>you'd like to do.
>Thanks,
>Grant Fluent
>Newcastle, NE
>Classic IV 912S
>
>
>--- Grant Fluent wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> > About a year ago, I completed a video project
> > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
> > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
> > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
> > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never
> > responded.
> > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
> > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
> > there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
> > them?
> > Thanks,
> > Grant Fluent
> > Newcastle, NE
> > Classic IV 912S
> >
> >
> >
> > browse
> > Subscriptions page,
> > FAQ,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brett Walmsley" <N93HJ(at)numail.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
I am...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Fluent" <gjfpilot(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>
> Hello All,
> About a year ago, I completed a video project
> putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
> could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
> sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
> distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded.
> With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
> send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
> there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
> them?
> Thanks,
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | tony fiacco <tony_fiacco(at)yahoo.com> |
hello
my name is tony fiacco i live in new york.
i just received my notice of chapter 7 bankrupcy from skystar, ive been battling,
along with others for two years awaiting over 4,000 worth of parts.
i am reaching out via this forum to see what i should do at this point, i apoligize,
im a new member and its obvious by one days postings that there already
has been discussion on this.
can anyone answer my question? i would appreciate it.
i called the bankrupcy trustee and she told me i was not alone by far, how many
people are involved in this and how much money are we talking?
what are the chances of getting any part of the 4,000 worth of parts that were
never shipped to me? or will they pay the suppliers mortgage holders first?
should i go to the meeting of creditors that is being held soon?
any information would be appreciated.
thank-you
tony fiacco
wanna be kitfox builder
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Where will we get parts in the future? |
I have to disagree with Alan in one respect. Skystar was in the process of
bringing everything they could manufacture in house including Aluminum gear
(sent out for gun drilling and heat treating) and they were very near to
being able to produce poly wing tanks. They bent their own tail springs,
fabricated the flaperons and all the tooling is in fact presently owned by
Skystar - soon to be owned by Phil Reed, lien holder. The only things they
outsourced for the basic kit was the wheels / brakes covering materials and
hardware. Selling engines IMHO was their downfall, but that decision was
made by souls long gone.. Without a doubt, the parts will eventually become
available if not from one vendor - a successor to Skystar - then from a
number of specialty suppliers. Fly carefully and builders try to be
patient.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan & Linda Daniels" <aldaniels(at)fmtc.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future?
>
>
> I agree with John. He can get you almost anything you need. Skystar did
> not make most of its stuff in house, and what they did from what I
> understand was on jigs that were leased from the previous owner. While
> this has been hard on those of us that have lost money and struggled
> with this for some time, it does give some closure and allows us to move
> on. The suspense is over and now someone will undoubtedly pick up the
> pieces and make it better than it has been for years. The Fox is still
> the best plane of its type out there and I am sure it will live on.
>
> The real pain is for those that paid for kits and did not get them. If
> you paid for a kit recently and did not get it you might consider
> contacting the postal inspector. It is not who you would expect to
> investigate this type of thing but they are the best at this type of
> thing. They have unlimited budgets to call witnesses and investigate
> over the entire county, and e-mail, checks, letters, contracts,
> advertising and the like fall under mail fraud. A friend and I bought
> an aircraft engine from a company that did not have what it said it had.
> I pursued it with the postal inspectors and the head of that company got
> 54 months in federal prison. While I am sure that the principals in
> Skystar are suffering a lot, and have lost everything they own, that is
> still no excuse for taking money for items they know they can not
> deliver. If that is in fact the case they need to go to jail.
>
> Alan
>
> jdmcbean wrote:
>
>>
>>Snip... I'm sure someone will pick up the pieces and supply Kitfox parts
>>much the same as Airdale did for Avid.
>>
>>We have been helping Kitfoxers for the last 2 years from a technical side
>>(not only on the list) and with some parts... We are also trying to gather
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
I might respectfully disagree here. The copywrite is owned by Skystar and I
suspect would be considered an asset to be handled by the bankruptcy judge
to hopefully compensate claimants. We have guys on the list that will lose
sizeable investments due to the bankruptcy, maybe one of them should be
first in line for this potentially valuable asset. I was at the factory on
the day bankruptcy was filed as well as the day after, I could have
wandered through the place with sticky fingers and no one would have been
the wiser. My biggest concern is for the guys waiting in line for the
crumbs. I hope some do in fact filter down.
:Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>
>
> Grant,
> I don't know about LEGALLY, as I am sure that the material was
> copyrighted,
> but reality should intrude here. There is no one left to tell you that you
> can't distribute it.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>
>
> Hello All,
> About a year ago, I completed a video project
> putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
> could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
> sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
> distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded.
> With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
> send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
> there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
> them?
> Thanks,
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels(at)fmtc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Where will we get parts in the future? |
Its nice to be back and hear from you Lowell. My point is that if you
prang a gear Grove can still supply them, if you need a cowl, fuel tank,
windshield, or most other parts John can have one made by the original
supplier for you. They were bringing everything in house because nobody
would sell to them anymore IMHO. Almost nobody has those items that they
built themselves. The only part that I see that is a problem is the
flaperons which are sort of special, made on jigs in-house. I may be
wrong on the lease of the fabrication jigs, but my understanding is that
Phil has or will have control of them, and the only way they have value
is if someone is using them. Phil Reed has a lot in this and he is no
dummy by a long shot. As I said the pain is with those that did not get
what they paid for. Our group is still out something like 3 engines.
Alan
Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>I have to disagree with Alan in one respect. Skystar was in the process of
>bringing everything they could manufacture in house including Aluminum gear
>(sent out for gun drilling and heat treating) and they were very near to
>being able to produce poly wing tanks. They bent their own tail springs,
>fabricated the flaperons and all the tooling is in fact presently owned by
>Skystar - soon to be owned by Phil Reed, lien holder. The only things they
>outsourced for the basic kit was the wheels / brakes covering materials and
>hardware. Selling engines IMHO was their downfall, but that decision was
>made by souls long gone.. Without a doubt, the parts will eventually become
>available if not from one vendor - a successor to Skystar - then from a
>number of specialty suppliers. Fly carefully and builders try to be
>patient.
>
>Lowell
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Where will we get parts in the future? |
We are also a Grove distributor....
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan & Linda
Daniels
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Where will we get parts in the future?
Its nice to be back and hear from you Lowell. My point is that if you
prang a gear Grove can still supply them, if you need a cowl, fuel tank,
windshield, or most other parts John can have one made by the original
supplier for you. They were bringing everything in house because nobody
would sell to them anymore IMHO. Almost nobody has those items that they
built themselves. The only part that I see that is a problem is the
flaperons which are sort of special, made on jigs in-house. I may be
wrong on the lease of the fabrication jigs, but my understanding is that
Phil has or will have control of them, and the only way they have value
is if someone is using them. Phil Reed has a lot in this and he is no
dummy by a long shot. As I said the pain is with those that did not get
what they paid for. Our group is still out something like 3 engines.
Alan
Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>I have to disagree with Alan in one respect. Skystar was in the process of
>bringing everything they could manufacture in house including Aluminum gear
>(sent out for gun drilling and heat treating) and they were very near to
>being able to produce poly wing tanks. They bent their own tail springs,
>fabricated the flaperons and all the tooling is in fact presently owned by
>Skystar - soon to be owned by Phil Reed, lien holder. The only things they
>outsourced for the basic kit was the wheels / brakes covering materials and
>hardware. Selling engines IMHO was their downfall, but that decision was
>made by souls long gone.. Without a doubt, the parts will eventually
become
>available if not from one vendor - a successor to Skystar - then from a
>number of specialty suppliers. Fly carefully and builders try to be
>patient.
>
>Lowell
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kfyellowbird(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Hi Grant,
I would love to have a copy of the DVDs. I'm nearing completion of a Lite 2,
912S, with all the options.
Lowell Schaper
6530 County Road 26
Minnetrista, MN 55364
763.479.2630
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Grant Fluent <gjfpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Thanks for your input Lowell. You make a very valid
point. So far, the response from people wanting to see
these videos has been overwhelming. Skystar no longer
offered any of these videos when they were in business
so I guess I don't see any harm in sending these out
to anyone who wants to see them. I am by no means
making a profit from this and would just like to help
out fellow builders/flyers.
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
--- Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>
> I might respectfully disagree here. The copywrite
> is owned by Skystar and I
> suspect would be considered an asset to be handled
> by the bankruptcy judge
> to hopefully compensate claimants. We have guys on
> the list that will lose
> sizeable investments due to the bankruptcy, maybe
> one of them should be
> first in line for this potentially valuable asset.
> I was at the factory on
> the day bankruptcy was filed as well as the day
> after, I could have
> wandered through the place with sticky fingers and
> no one would have been
> the wiser. My biggest concern is for the guys
> waiting in line for the
> crumbs. I hope some do in fact filter down.
>
> :Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>
>
> >
> >
> > Grant,
> > I don't know about LEGALLY, as I am sure that the
> material was
> > copyrighted,
> > but reality should intrude here. There is no one
> left to tell you that you
> > can't distribute it.
> >
> > Don Pearsall
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
> >
>
> >
> > Hello All,
> > About a year ago, I completed a video project
> > putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that
> I
> > could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs
> were
> > sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
> > distribute to the Kitfox list but he never
> responded.
> > With what has now happened to Skystar, can I
> legally
> > send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
> > there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
> > them?
> > Thanks,
> > Grant Fluent
> > Newcastle, NE
> > Classic IV 912S
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Looking for Michael Meyers |
I want to contact Michael Meyers with a question about his Kitfox on Sportflight.
His AOL address is no longer good. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jim
jezim@pro-ns.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels(at)fmtc.com> |
Check out www.aero-news.net for more details of Skystar
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ron schick" <roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.com> |
I have seen several Kitfoxes in the pictures with wingtip nav lights, but no
landing or tail light. I am building fiberglass mounts for a rudder mounted
tail light and wing tip navs. What is the minimum for night vfr? We just
heard this discusion and it was described only as "position lights" Can't
locate my FAR-AIM to check. Ron NB Ore.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Perry" <eskflyer(at)pld.com> |
Ron all the lights can be incorporated into the one light fixture on the
wing tip . Each side has a backwards facing solid on light for the tail
position light center strobe on each side then forward facing red and green
Port / Starboard lights This is what i have and also a red strobe on top of
the fuselage just behind the turtle deck and it passed inspection just fine
Take care fly safe fly slow fly low
John Perry
kitfox 2 N718PD
-------Original Message-------
From: ron schick
Date: 10/21/05 23:32:15
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail light
I have seen several Kitfoxes in the pictures with wingtip nav lights, but no
landing or tail light. I am building fiberglass mounts for a rudder mounted
tail light and wing tip navs. What is the minimum for night vfr? We just
heard this discusion and it was described only as "position lights" Can't
locate my FAR-AIM to check. Ron NB Ore.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net> |
Ron, the requirement is in part 23.1389. 1 rear white light, red on left,
green on right. And the FAR also describes the range each light must cover.
Not required unless you are flying from sunset to sunrise.
Don Pearsall
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron schick
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail light
I have seen several Kitfoxes in the pictures with wingtip nav lights, but no
landing or tail light. I am building fiberglass mounts for a rudder mounted
tail light and wing tip navs. What is the minimum for night vfr? We just
heard this discusion and it was described only as "position lights" Can't
locate my FAR-AIM to check. Ron NB Ore.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Perry" <eskflyer(at)pld.com> |
Also landing lights are form Wallmart high intensity offroad mini lights $15
bucks for the pair. Mounted inside the cowl one set for taxi and the other
set for landing configuration Works Awsome on the darkest of nights with no
moon.
John Perry
-------Original Message-------
From: ron schick
Date: 10/21/05 23:32:15
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail light
I have seen several Kitfoxes in the pictures with wingtip nav lights, but no
landing or tail light. I am building fiberglass mounts for a rudder mounted
tail light and wing tip navs. What is the minimum for night vfr? We just
heard this discusion and it was described only as "position lights" Can't
locate my FAR-AIM to check. Ron NB Ore.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
Ron,
Take a look.. frst item on the pg.. http://sportplanellc.com/Products.htm
front is green (or red), rear is white and the center is strobe.... Meets
the position light requirement.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of ron schick
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail light
I have seen several Kitfoxes in the pictures with wingtip nav lights, but no
landing or tail light. I am building fiberglass mounts for a rudder mounted
tail light and wing tip navs. What is the minimum for night vfr? We just
heard this discusion and it was described only as "position lights" Can't
locate my FAR-AIM to check. Ron NB Ore.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Gibbs <MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Little Good News |
Thanks everyone, for the kind remarks! I can't tell you how
heart-warming and encouraging it is for me.
As for a new steed, thanks to Mr. McBean I have already started work
on a new Series 6 'fox (sorry Don). The various components of the
instrument panel are spread across the dining room table and the
wiring nearly complete. The wings are assembled (but not covered)
and soon I'll be turning my attention to the fuselage. Now, if it
weren't for having to gradually return to work I'd have lots of time
to spend on it. :-)
In the mean time I went up in my other baby, a Piper Turbo Arrow III
named Sabrina, last Wednesday morning with an instructor and we
scraped off several layers of rust from my piloting skills. It felt
wonderful!
Thanks again everyone!
Mike G.
N728KF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greaves" <tenorio41(at)comcast.net> |
Anyone know of a good supplier for S7 tanks?
Two of the missing parts from my kit.
I need the following but it sounds like Mcbean can help me out.
Landing gear
Wheels/brakes.
Muffler and headers for 912S
Windshield and turtledeck.
Nosegear strut (if I decide against t-dragger sometime).
Seems most of this stuff easily obtainable but just concerned about the tanks.
Regards,
Wade Greaves
Oregon City
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "glen rowland" <grav8(at)mybluelight.com> |
| Subject: | need builders manual |
Hope you can read this before you go make those coppies because some great guy
on the list just e-mailed the chapter I need in pdf format. I will still pay for
the coppies or postage if you have started. thanks Glen.
Hope you can read this before you go make those coppies because some great guy
on the list just e-mailed the chapter I need in pdf format. I will still pay for
the coppies or postage if you have started. thanks Glen.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net> |
This will sound like a silly question to some of the more experienced
builders but I need some advice on the best and least obtrusive way to
attach the data plate on a fabric airframe. I could drill through the fabric
and into the frame in two maybe three places and pop rivet it on but
drilling into the frame sure sounds extreme. Has anyone used a good RTV
adhesive to do this? Will it hold? I am looking in the area on the left side
under the horizontal stab. to do this.
Roger Mac
S7/912S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
I fabricated an alum plate (about 1/2" bigger than the data plate).
Pre-drilled holes to match the data plate. Place the alum plate on the
inside of the fabric and then pop rivet the data plate through the fabric to
the alum plate. I can't remember if I applied some Poly Brush to the alum
plate or not?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
>
>
> This will sound like a silly question to some of the more experienced
> builders but I need some advice on the best and least obtrusive way to
> attach the data plate on a fabric airframe. I could drill through the
> fabric
> and into the frame in two maybe three places and pop rivet it on but
> drilling into the frame sure sounds extreme. Has anyone used a good RTV
> adhesive to do this? Will it hold? I am looking in the area on the left
> side
> under the horizontal stab. to do this.
>
>
> Roger Mac
>
> S7/912S
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "daniel johnson" <kitfox91je(at)hotmail.com> |
Mine has hung on under the horizontal since...92..and 500hrs I didn't build
it but i'll go look when im out there today and see how it was done...dan
>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
>Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:24:24 -0500
>
>
>
>This will sound like a silly question to some of the more experienced
>builders but I need some advice on the best and least obtrusive way to
>attach the data plate on a fabric airframe. I could drill through the
>fabric
>and into the frame in two maybe three places and pop rivet it on but
>drilling into the frame sure sounds extreme. Has anyone used a good RTV
>adhesive to do this? Will it hold? I am looking in the area on the left
>side
>under the horizontal stab. to do this.
>
>
> Roger Mac
>
> S7/912S
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: skystar demise |
Hi Tony.
Search Matronics archives for the string on Skystar's Bankruptcy. Also check EAA
website for good background story. Yes, secured creditors and priority claims
get first crack at assets. Unsecured creditors (probably you) will get a pro-rata
share of what's left. Cents on the dollar, more likely zero.
Later, if you have any specific questions contact me off-list.
tony fiacco wrote:
hello
my name is tony fiacco i live in new york.
i just received my notice of chapter 7 bankrupcy from skystar, ive been battling,
along with others for two years awaiting over 4,000 worth of parts.
i am reaching out via this forum to see what i should do at this point, i apoligize,
im a new member and its obvious by one days postings that there already
has been discussion on this.
can anyone answer my question? i would appreciate it.
i called the bankrupcy trustee and she told me i was not alone by far, how many
people are involved in this and how much money are we talking?
what are the chances of getting any part of the 4,000 worth of parts that were
never shipped to me? or will they pay the suppliers mortgage holders first?
should i go to the meeting of creditors that is being held soon?
any information would be appreciated.
thank-you
tony fiacco
wanna be kitfox builder
---------------------------------
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann(at)comcast.net> |
My data plate is riveted to the metal cover plate that is just under the
stabilizer.
Ron N55KF
> Mine has hung on under the horizontal since...92..and 500hrs I didn't
> build
> it but i'll go look when im out there today and see how it was done...dan
>
>
>>From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net>
>>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>To:
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
>>Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:24:24 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>>This will sound like a silly question to some of the more experienced
>>builders but I need some advice on the best and least obtrusive way to
>>attach the data plate on a fabric airframe. I could drill through the
>>fabric
>>and into the frame in two maybe three places and pop rivet it on but
>>drilling into the frame sure sounds extreme. Has anyone used a good RTV
>>adhesive to do this? Will it hold? I am looking in the area on the left
>>side
>>under the horizontal stab. to do this.
>>
>>
>> Roger Mac
>>
>> S7/912S
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Lowell is right. Grant's source materials, the promo videos, are intellectual property
- assets belonging to Skystar. These are now under control of the Trustee
in Bankruptcy. Value added by Grant, i.e. production value, is his however.
This muddies the picture.
It's unlikely that Trustee would come after Grant for "giving away" DVD's at cost.
This asset is of dubious value (to anyone but us) and probably not worth ligitating
over. More likely the Trustee would abandon it, if she even becomes
aware of it. Nonetheless, to be absolutely safe, Grant should wait until the case
is discharged before charging for DVD's.
wrote:
I might respectfully disagree here. The copywrite is owned by Skystar and I
suspect would be considered an asset to be handled by the bankruptcy judge
to hopefully compensate claimants. We have guys on the list that will lose
sizeable investments due to the bankruptcy, maybe one of them should be
first in line for this potentially valuable asset. I was at the factory on
the day bankruptcy was filed as well as the day after, I could have
wandered through the place with sticky fingers and no one would have been
the wiser. My biggest concern is for the guys waiting in line for the
crumbs. I hope some do in fact filter down.
:Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall"
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>
>
> Grant,
> I don't know about LEGALLY, as I am sure that the material was
> copyrighted,
> but reality should intrude here. There is no one left to tell you that you
> can't distribute it.
>
> Don Pearsall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Grant Fluent
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
>
>
> Hello All,
> About a year ago, I completed a video project
> putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
> could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
> sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
> distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded.
> With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
> send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
> there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
> them?
> Thanks,
> Grant Fluent
> Newcastle, NE
> Classic IV 912S
>
>
>
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann(at)comcast.net> |
I mounted an old style Grimes clear lens tail light on the tip of my fin,
facing rearwards of course. Had to make a mounting piece out of aluminum for
it to sit on. Still looks great after 14 years.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Perry" <eskflyer(at)pld.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail light
>
> Ron all the lights can be incorporated into the one light fixture on the
> wing tip . Each side has a backwards facing solid on light for the tail
> position light center strobe on each side then forward facing red and
> green
> Port / Starboard lights This is what i have and also a red strobe on top
> of
> the fuselage just behind the turtle deck and it passed inspection just
> fine
>
> Take care fly safe fly slow fly low
>
> John Perry
> kitfox 2 N718PD
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: ron schick
> Date: 10/21/05 23:32:15
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail light
>
>
>
> I have seen several Kitfoxes in the pictures with wingtip nav lights, but
> no
> landing or tail light. I am building fiberglass mounts for a rudder
> mounted
> tail light and wing tip navs. What is the minimum for night vfr? We
> just
> heard this discusion and it was described only as "position lights" Can't
> locate my FAR-AIM to check. Ron NB Ore.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Roger, I attached mine to the access cover below the horizontal stabilizer.
At least for vintage 1998 that was acceptable.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
>
>
> This will sound like a silly question to some of the more experienced
> builders but I need some advice on the best and least obtrusive way to
> attach the data plate on a fabric airframe. I could drill through the
> fabric
> and into the frame in two maybe three places and pop rivet it on but
> drilling into the frame sure sounds extreme. Has anyone used a good RTV
> adhesive to do this? Will it hold? I am looking in the area on the left
> side
> under the horizontal stab. to do this.
>
>
> Roger Mac
>
> S7/912S
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com> |
Roger,
I just riveted it to the fiberglass just in front of the left side door.
Used backer washers.
What Gross Weight are you going with? 1320? 1550? You may have a more
valuable plane at 1320 lbs.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donna and Roger
McConnell
Subject: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
This will sound like a silly question to some of the more experienced
builders but I need some advice on the best and least obtrusive way to
attach the data plate on a fabric airframe. I could drill through the fabric
and into the frame in two maybe three places and pop rivet it on but
drilling into the frame sure sounds extreme. Has anyone used a good RTV
adhesive to do this? Will it hold? I am looking in the area on the left side
under the horizontal stab. to do this.
Roger Mac
S7/912S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "glen rowland" <grav8(at)mybluelight.com> |
| Subject: | need builders manual |
Sorry folks. That last message from me was to an individual I didn't mean to post
it to the list...
Sorry folks. That last message from me was to an individual I didn't mean to post
it to the list...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Anderson" <janderson412(at)hotmail.com> |
Where abouts on the fuse should the data plate be fixed? John A.
From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:49:35 -0400
I fabricated an alum plate (about 1/2" bigger than the data plate).
Pre-drilled holes to match the data plate. Place the alum plate on the
inside of the fabric and then pop rivet the data plate through the fabric to
the alum plate. I can't remember if I applied some Poly Brush to the alum
plate or not?
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
>
>
>This will sound like a silly question to some of the more experienced
>builders but I need some advice on the best and least obtrusive way to
>attach the data plate on a fabric airframe. I could drill through the
>fabric
>and into the frame in two maybe three places and pop rivet it on but
>drilling into the frame sure sounds extreme. Has anyone used a good RTV
>adhesive to do this? Will it hold? I am looking in the area on the left
>side
>under the horizontal stab. to do this.
>
>
> Roger Mac
>
> S7/912S
>
>
Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michel Verheughe <michel(at)online.no> |
From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net>
> I am looking in the area on the left side
> under the horizontal stab. to do this.
Roger, mine is pop rivetted in the triangular aluminium plate under the
horizontal stab, on the left side. I have a model 3 that has that plate and I
guess you plane doesn't, otherwise you wouldn't be asking, am I right?
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeffrey Puls" <pulsair(at)mindspring.com> |
When the FAA inspected my plane they made me affix my data plate to the inside
of the stainless steel firewall behind the co-pilots ruddder pedals. They stated
that if there was a fire the plate would stay intact with the surface and in
all likelehood would survive. I may not but it would. Jeff Cklassic IV Ohio
Jeffrey Puls
pulsair(at)mindspring.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan(at)bigpond.com> |
Hi all,
>
> In the midst of all the doom and gloom, I hope you won't mind a
> little bit of good personal news. It's been 14 months since the
> accident that destroyed my beloved Kitfox IV and I've spent the time
> recovering from two shattered legs and severe facial injuries.
>
> It's taken 7 surgeries so far (one more anticipated) and a lot of
> physical therapy, but yesterday I went down to the local AME and was
> issued a class III medical certificate! I just need a flight review
> and I'll be legal to act as pilot in command once again. Where's
> that horse, I'm ready to get back on it!
>
> Thanks for your indulgence,
>
> Mike G.
> N728KF
Congratulations Mike, you are an inspiration to us all. Your presence on
this list is also most valuable so I'm pleased you will be around for a
while yet. Hope you soon find new wings and may they be Kitfox. It takes
more than the collapse of Skystar to put me off. As you say Kitfox is the
best.
Rex.
rexjan(at)bigpond.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan(at)bigpond.com> |
Hello All,
About a year ago, I completed a video project
putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded.
With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
them?
Hi ! Grant,
if you get rolling on this I would be interested for one in
those DVD's.
Rex.
rexjan(at)bigpond.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net> |
Michel,
Yes indeed the Model 7 has cover plates on both sides at the
horizontal stab. And the cover is probable as good as any place to attach
the data plate. I just think that if I were to loose that cover then the
plate is lost too. I would prefer to attach it to something that doesn't get
removed. And Don's idea seems easy enough to do. But I appreciate your
input.
Best Regards
Roger Mac
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net>
> I am looking in the area on the left side
> under the horizontal stab. to do this.
Roger, mine is pop rivetted in the triangular aluminium plate under the
horizontal stab, on the left side. I have a model 3 that has that plate and
I
guess you plane doesn't, otherwise you wouldn't be asking, am I right?
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
I believe the FAA wants the plate to be near the rear of the plane. In case
of an emergency landing/fire the rear of the plane would be more survivable
therefore, saving the plate.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Anderson" <janderson412(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
>
>
>
> Where abouts on the fuse should the data plate be fixed? John A.
>
>
> From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:49:35 -0400
>
> I fabricated an alum plate (about 1/2" bigger than the data plate).
> Pre-drilled holes to match the data plate. Place the alum plate on the
> inside of the fabric and then pop rivet the data plate through the fabric
> to
> the alum plate. I can't remember if I applied some Poly Brush to the alum
> plate or not?
>
> Don Smythe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna and Roger McConnell" <rdmac(at)swbell.net>
> To:
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
>
>
>>
>>
>>This will sound like a silly question to some of the more experienced
>>builders but I need some advice on the best and least obtrusive way to
>>attach the data plate on a fabric airframe. I could drill through the
>>fabric
>>and into the frame in two maybe three places and pop rivet it on but
>>drilling into the frame sure sounds extreme. Has anyone used a good RTV
>>adhesive to do this? Will it hold? I am looking in the area on the left
>>side
>>under the horizontal stab. to do this.
>>
>>
>> Roger Mac
>>
>> S7/912S
>>
>>
>
>
> Discover fun and games at @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net> |
It seems I remember that the data plate should be attached so it cannot be
easily removed. Putting the plate on a removable piece of the airplane
didn't seem to meet the intent of the law.
Don Smythe
----- Original Message -----
> the data plate. I just think that if I were to loose that cover then the
> plate is lost too. I would prefer to attach it to something that doesn't
> get
> removed.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ronald K. Stevens" <rkstevens(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Grant,
I'd certainly be interested in getting a copy. Just let me know where
to send the check and how much you'd like for it.
Thanks,
Ron Stevens
Series 6
Grant Fluent wrote:
>
>Hello All,
> About a year ago, I completed a video project
>putting all of the Kitfox promotional videos that I
>could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs were
>sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to
>distribute to the Kitfox list but he never responded.
>With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally
>send these DVDs out? Any lawyers here? If so, is
>there anyone on here that is interested in viewing
>them?
>Thanks,
>Grant Fluent
>Newcastle, NE
>Classic IV 912S
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ron schick" <roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.com> |
I agree that it should be permanently attached. My neighbor (RV6) had to
move his from an inspection cover to the main fuselage to pass his aw
inspection. On the Kitfox with fabric your dar may insist it be riveted to
metal. I plan on a flange under the fabric to satisfy the requirement
>From: "Don Smythe" <dosmythe(at)cox.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Data Plate
>Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:50:34 -0400
>
>
>It seems I remember that the data plate should be attached so it cannot be
>easily removed. Putting the plate on a removable piece of the airplane
>didn't seem to meet the intent of the law.
>
>Don Smythe
>
>----- Original Message -----
> > the data plate. I just think that if I were to loose that cover then the
> > plate is lost too. I would prefer to attach it to something that doesn't
> > get
> > removed.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Smathers <jsmathers(at)cybcon.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Series 7 tanks |
Hi Wade,
I just put my KF5 away for the winter....I know it's kinda' early and all
but I am saving some pennies for another kit project. I was thinking of a
KF7 but that status changed a bit last week.....
Come on by sometime, I'm in Molalla.
Jeff Smathers KF5 N456JT NSI Subaru EA-81 and CAP140
Greaves wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a good supplier for S7 tanks?
> Two of the missing parts from my kit.
> I need the following but it sounds like Mcbean can help me out.
> Landing gear
> Wheels/brakes.
> Muffler and headers for 912S
> Windshield and turtledeck.
> Nosegear strut (if I decide against t-dragger sometime).
> Seems most of this stuff easily obtainable but just concerned about the tanks.
> Regards,
> Wade Greaves
> Oregon City
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Joel Mapes" <foxfloatflyer(at)hotmail.com> |
I'm about to attach my data plate as well. FAA AC20-27F states that the data
plate may must be attached so that it cannot be removed during normal
service. The Seattle FSDO advised me that the tail access covers on my model
5 were not a suitable location for the data plate. AC20-27F further states
that the data plate should be adjacent to the aft of the rear-most entrance
door or on the fuselage near the tail surface. I am planning to use Don's
method of riveting through a backing plate aft of the pilot side door. I
want people to see that it was built by me.
Joel
Model 5 912 GTA CS prop Aerocomp amphibs
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Kitfox Promotional Videos |
Hi Grant,
I am highly interested in that DVD`s.
Werner Keiper
Kitfox 3
E-Mail: werner@keiper-koerdorf.de
-----Ursprngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Grant Fluent
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Oktober 2005 19:47
An: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Betreff: Kitfox-List: Kitfox Promotional Videos
Hello All,
About a year ago, I completed a video project putting all of the Kitfox
promotional videos that I could find on two DVDs. The two completed DVDs
were sent to Frank Miller for his approval for me to distribute to the
Kitfox list but he never responded.
With what has now happened to Skystar, can I legally send these DVDs out?
Any lawyers here? If so, is there anyone on here that is interested in
viewing them?
Thanks,
Grant Fluent
Newcastle, NE
Classic IV 912S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless(at)barefootpilot.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Series 7 tanks |
You put it away for the winter???
I'm just getting mine ready for the winter flying season when I do 80% of my
flying.
Cliff
Erie, CO
> Hi Wade,
>
> I just put my KF5 away for the winter....I know it's kinda' early and all
> but I am saving some pennies for another kit project. I was thinking of a
> KF7 but that status changed a bit last week.....
>
> Come on by sometime, I'm in Molalla.
>
> Jeff Smathers KF5 N456JT NSI Subaru EA-81 and CAP140
>
> Greaves wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone know of a good supplier for S7 tanks?
>> Two of the missing parts from my kit.
>> I need the following but it sounds like Mcbean can help me out.
>> Landing gear
>> Wheels/brakes.
>> Muffler and headers for 912S
>> Windshield and turtledeck.
>> Nosegear strut (if I decide against t-dragger sometime).
>> Seems most of this stuff easily obtainable but just concerned about the
>> tanks.
>> Regards,
>> Wade Greaves
>> Oregon City
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Wells(at)adelphia.net" <georgewells(at)adelphia.net> |
I have a Mod 5 with a 912S and recently installed a dual Amp & Volt meter. I previously
only had a Amp meter. While flying today the voltage reading started
to rise until it was at the top of the scale at appox 18 volts and the amp meter
at appox. 5 amps. After I cycled a few accessories the voltage came back down
to around 13.5 - 14 volts and the amps at just a slight positive deflection
from 0.
My question is does this sound like a rectifier or some other problem ?
Thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frank & Phyllis <frank.phyllis(at)mindspring.com> |
I'd appreciate someone providing me with the source & part # for a
Series 7 radiator (PN 54016.102) or the dimensions so I can seek one out.
Also, the Series 7 uses a 2" prop extension. Anyone using an IVO prop
with a 2" extension? Again, I'd appreciate info re a source for the
extension.
Finally, what is the Rotax PN for the 912S air filter, Skystar PN
64903.000 (for a Series 7)?
Thanks,
Frank
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
Frank,
As an IVO dealer I can help with that pretty easy... Give me a shout...
I
can get the Radiator as well...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank & Phyllis
Subject: Kitfox-List: Series 7 Parts
I'd appreciate someone providing me with the source & part # for a
Series 7 radiator (PN 54016.102) or the dimensions so I can seek one out.
Also, the Series 7 uses a 2" prop extension. Anyone using an IVO prop
with a 2" extension? Again, I'd appreciate info re a source for the
extension.
Finally, what is the Rotax PN for the 912S air filter, Skystar PN
64903.000 (for a Series 7)?
Thanks,
Frank
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE:Was High Voltage - S5 questions |
George wrote..
I have a Mod 5 with a 912S and recently installed a dual Amp & Volt meter...
George I can't answer your question but as you are an S5 with 912S flyer
then I'd like to put a couple of questions. We are about to receive the
flight permit for an S5 with 912S and as the day draws closer questions
arise.
Any problems with the trim? Our inspector thought the trim indicator was all
wrong and we've just spent a day completely re-doing everything to do with
the trim (according to the manual) and ended up back where we were in the
first place.
Did all your rigging come out right? Our down elevator is one or two degrees
less than it should be.
What's your cruise speed? We have fixed pitch prop, Grove gear and big
tyres.
And are you pleased with your S5?
Sorry about the questions and lack of answers but you probably know how it
is as the day approaches - the head scratching and worrying intensifies.
Kerry
Kitfox builders helper
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels(at)fmtc.com> |
You really can not put the trim markings on until you fly. Just use a
marker and put a line on the metal strip just for reference were you
think is about right. You will be holding on to the stick so tight the
first flight that you will have no idea if the trim is right or not.
Then when you fly you can see were it really is and remark. When you are
happy with that then put your sicker on. Close is good enough for test
flying as the stick pressures are not that high even if you are way out
of trim, like full up when you forget to reset before takeoff. You will
find that the plane does not use much trim except for landing. I use one
notch flaps for takeoff and taking the flap off goes to close to cruse
climb. Little bumps to the switch will tune it up. It is a bugger
getting that sticker on without taking the indicator out, which is why I
have colored tape to indicate the takeoff zone on one of my planes. Too
many thumbs to install it right
Alan
Kerry Skyring wrote:
>
>George wrote..
>I have a Mod 5 with a 912S and recently installed a dual Amp & Volt meter...
>
>George I can't answer your question but as you are an S5 with 912S flyer
>then I'd like to put a couple of questions. We are about to receive the
>flight permit for an S5 with 912S and as the day draws closer questions
>arise.
>
>Any problems with the trim? Our inspector thought the trim indicator was all
>wrong and we've just spent a day completely re-doing everything to do with
>the trim (according to the manual) and ended up back where we were in the
>first place.
>
>Did all your rigging come out right? Our down elevator is one or two degrees
>less than it should be.
>
>What's your cruise speed? We have fixed pitch prop, Grove gear and big
>tyres.
>
>And are you pleased with your S5?
>
>Sorry about the questions and lack of answers but you probably know how it
>is as the day approaches - the head scratching and worrying intensifies.
>Kerry
>Kitfox builders helper
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: High Voltage |
Hi George. I noted the same thing happening with my Model 2 (582). It had the original
equipment regulator/rectifier that came with the kit. I also noted on
inspection that the original regulator showed physical signs of having overheated.
I replaced it with a Key West blue box from Aircraft Spruce and the indicated
voltage dropped back to 13-14 at full power.
There's a good article on regulator/rectifiers for Rotax engines at http://www.georgia-ultralights.com/page/page/898129.htm
"George Wells(at)adelphia.net" wrote:
I have a Mod 5 with a 912S and recently installed a dual Amp & Volt meter. I previously
only had a Amp meter. While flying today the voltage reading started
to rise until it was at the top of the scale at appox 18 volts and the amp meter
at appox. 5 amps. After I cycled a few accessories the voltage came back down
to around 13.5 - 14 volts and the amps at just a slight positive deflection
from 0.
My question is does this sound like a rectifier or some other problem ?
Thanks
Marco Menezes
Model 2 582 N99KX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <wingsdown(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Need Series 5 cowling |
Just a heads up.
The following items are being offered for sale. The engine is broken in and
has less than 75 hours.
If there is something not listed please let me know and we can figure
something out. I am offering at 75 percent of new unless otherwise stated
or agreed upon. Many of these items are based on 2002 prices. No tax and
actual UPS shipping only. I accept Pay Pal at wingsdown(at)comcast.net for fast
delivery. I will be posting pics to a web site soon. If you need some
right away just let me know.
I have decided to sell the engine package less firewall engine mount to
firewall. It was originally an NSI engine. I have completely rebuilt the
engine to include the heads. The redrive unit has the latest upgrade from
NSI, which I believe was new shaft and material, larger bearings and the
like. Below is a list of mods and parts:
Total run time appx 70 hours, engine was not running at time of nose wheel
collapse. Oil pan was damaged by nose strut but can be easily repaired or
replaced for about 300 dollars. . Engine has since been run, and oil changed
as well as redrive oil. This engine makes over 150HP. I will include
radiator and necessary plumbing from aircraft. This engine is complete and
ready to mount to NSI engine mount for aircraft of your choosing. It was in
a model 5 Kitfox. Mounts on engine are included. No break in necessary, its
been done. Keep in mind the rotax engine is going for about 20K and does not
make this kind of power nor is it rated for continuous full power operation.
New pistons and rings
All new bearings and seals
Pistons, pins, rings and block cryogenic treated, not over sized
Pistons ceramic coated tops molly sides
Cylinders line honed
Crank zero run out
reconditioned rods with new bushings weight matched
new turbo cam coated by Swain
reconditioned lifters
stainless down pipe and stack
heads have stainless valves, 3 angle valve cut, ceramic tops and scallops,
new bronze guides, coated HP springs, reconditioned rockers
intake manifold special Swain heat dissipating coating
Oil lines are Teflon
New Taylor ignition wires
Stainless headers by Dawley Aviation with special Swain coating, with EGT
holes
MOCAL oil thermostat plumbed with lines will provide cooler
New oil pump
remote filter mount and Teflon lines
new water pump
Turbo completely rebuilt and upgraded to include new compressor section,
Swain coated exhaust turbine section, hard line cooling line and more.
Ellison TBI 3A, all fuel lines Teflon to include line to firewall
Powder coated aluminum valve covers
Dual electronic ignition and pick ups, programmable
Alternator with overage voltage unit
Engine block heater, not that I needed it here in sunny California
I will give the list first shot and then either sell it locally or list on
EBay. This is a strong smooth engine. You wont be disappointed. If you have
the non-turbo NSI then this would be an easy swap for much more power and
higher density altitude capabilities. If your serious and would like to see
her run let me know ASAP.
ITEMS FOR SALE:
EA-81 TURBO engine with redrive ready to run $8,700 list 2002 price with
out upgrades list 11,500.
Vacuume pump Kit for EA-81 includes pump, drive assy, suction gauge by
rapco, filter and clamps. $750.00 list at $998.00
CAP 140 In-flight adjustable three blade hub assembly, includes hub
assembly, electronics control unit, panel switch and indicator lamp.$1625.oo
list $2165
CAP digital pitch indication gage with latest software upgrade $521.00 list
$695.00
Header tank aluminum***sold
Air oil separators 2 custom aluminum powder coated$288 ea list $385
Strobe kit with Nav lights multi station comet selectable flash, plus
collision white belly tail strobe $657.00 List $877
Strobe Whelen model 70821 red lens anti collision with power pack $181.00
Garmin 295 GPS with latest data base, extras $500.00 list N/A
Transponder Garmin GTX 327 solid state with rack, $ 1425.00 list $1895.00.
Pre wired Transcal encoder add $150.00 to price
Comm Radio Bendix King (97A TSO with mounting rack $825 list $1100.oo
E.L.T. Ameri king AK-450 with comm. Capability $138.00 list $184
Headset Bose Aviation X like new with case and original box $850.00 list
$995.00.
Headset Lightspeed 20X with soft case, very nice $326.00 list $435.00.
Traffic Alert ADT-300 Barley installed in aircraft $490.00 list $650.00
Fuel Flow gage JPI-450 with transducer $430.00 list $573.75
EGT digital by E.I. $180.00 list $239 I have two $180. each.
Hand Held Com/Nav radio VXA-200 by Yaesu. This unit has it all. Altitude
indication, density altitude pressure altitude, temperature and VOR great
rugged little radio, with extra NMHI battery $465.00 List $620.00
Com/Nav antenna by Advance Aircraft Electronics model VHF5-1, thin flat for
many applications to include composite aircraft. $94.00 list at $125.00
Volt/Amp gage digital by E.I. Electronics international model VA-1A
$214.00 list $285.00
Carb Ice temp gage by Westach with sending probe $53.00 lists at $69.80
Intercom by PS Engineering model PM100 II Also have digital cockpit
recorder, cant find price will include for additional $100.00 $335 List
$449.00
Electric Clock MD-90 BLET $169.00 List $226
Battery RG35AXC with custom aluminum power coated hold down and cables
$125.00
Battery PC680 with aluminum mounting box $75.00 was set up as back up
battery.
PRIMARY INSTRUMENTS
Air speed indicator W27859 by Winter zero to 180MPH $240.00 list $320.00
Directional Gyro model RCA11A-8 non electric TSO $438.00 list $548.00
Altimeter zero to 20,000 feet model BG-3 $406.00 list $542.00
Vertical Speed indicator $232.00 list $310.00
Turn coordinator by Electro gyro corp. model 1394T100-7Z 12-32V $630.00
list $840.00
HSI Attitude Gyro most likely RC Allen , it is vacuum but will have to
verify model and price
VDO gages
2 1/8 Tachometer, water temp,oil pressure, oil temperature, boost 0-15psi,
RPM gage large 3 1/8 maybe 3 not sure, egt 0-1600F
Interior
Oregon Aero temper foam seats, two sets plus extra seat cushion for seat
height adjustment, done in dark blue Best seats i have ever sat on makes
the flight very comfortable.$499 list at $670.00
Leather interior , this is for a model 5, may work on others, medium blue,
carbon fiber seat reinforced seat back included, leather covered front, rear
baggage cover with white embroidered EXPERIMENTAL on opening cover, open
area under turtle deck, center consol sides, left and right kick panels,
control stick boots and covers. I may have enough to do the glare shied but
will have to check. $1,200 List N/A
Cushions Standard velour in blue and red four cushions total $100.00
Heater cockpit 210CFM high output with two fans $260 list $345
Airframe
Turtle deck with smoke lexan glass, has scratch in glass $150.00
Cowling upper only not round type, NACCA scoop installed , also two sets of
vents aft, oil access and inspection door. $300.00
Cargo bay bag with aluminum bottom insert, $95.00
Long Wings with lift struts and braces, struts fared in, flapperons. These
items were damaged. Left substantially more than the right. They will both
need have the fabric removed and be inspected, repaired and re-certified for
airworthiness. I would say major damage to the left wing and minor to
moderate to the right. I can e-mail detail pics of both. Considering the
cost of new wings at over $4000.00 I think a fair starting point would be
about $1500 I am open to offers higher or a little lower. Will assist
freight pick up , no shipping from this end. Personal pick up is fine and I
will help you load up.
Wing towing braces $ 55.00
Electric elevator trim servo, dont really know but figure on 75 percent
of replacement.
Wheel pants left side only $50.00
Rudder
Elevator
Control rigging and pulleys
Wheels (2)
Brakes (2)
Master cylinders (4)
Fuel control valve by Andair replaced stock unit $180 list $240
I am sure there is more but thats all for now.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kerry
Skyring
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Series 5 cowling
Ron wrote,
>Its time to start my hunt for a Series 5 top & bottom cowl. It must be the
>one for the Lycombing or Continental engine which is the "Cessna" style.
Hi Ron, we have an unused cowl for the Continental 0-200 engine on a Series
5. Problem is we are in Vienna Austria and the freight costs would probably
make this non-viable for you. However keep
it in mind and if you don't source anything locally give me an email and we
will try to work out a
viable deal. Kerry.
S5 builders helper.
Taxied it on Sunday. Ohitsjustwunderbar.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <wingsdown(at)comcast.net> |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jay Carter
Subject: Kitfox-List: Header Tank
Anyone on the list have a header tank p/n 90064.000 that is surplus
to your needs and would sell? p/n is from S-6 assembly manual.
Jay C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <wingsdown(at)comcast.net> |
The following items are being offered for sale. The engine is broken in and
has less than 75 hours.
If there is something not listed please let me know and we can figure
something out. I am offering at 75 percent of new unless otherwise stated
or agreed upon. Many of these items are based on 2002 prices. No tax and
actual UPS shipping only. I accept Pay Pal at wingsdown(at)comcast.net for fast
delivery. I will be posting pics to a web site soon. If you need some
right away just let me know.
I have decided to sell the engine package less firewall engine mount to
firewall. It was originally an NSI engine. I have completely rebuilt the
engine to include the heads. The redrive unit has the latest upgrade from
NSI, which I believe was new shaft and material, larger bearings and the
like. Below is a list of mods and parts:
Total run time appx 70 hours, engine was not running at time of nose wheel
collapse. Oil pan was damaged by nose strut but can be easily repaired or
replaced for about 300 dollars. . Engine has since been run, and oil changed
as well as redrive oil. This engine makes over 150HP. I will include
radiator and necessary plumbing from aircraft. This engine is complete and
ready to mount to NSI engine mount for aircraft of your choosing. It was in
a model 5 Kitfox. Mounts on engine are included. No break in necessary, its
been done. Keep in mind the rotax engine is going for about 20K and does not
make this kind of power nor is it rated for continuous full power operation.
New pistons and rings
All new bearings and seals
Pistons, pins, rings and block cryogenic treated, not over sized
Pistons ceramic coated tops molly sides
Cylinders line honed
Crank zero run out
reconditioned rods with new bushings weight matched
new turbo cam coated by Swain
reconditioned lifters
stainless down pipe and stack
heads have stainless valves, 3 angle valve cut, ceramic tops and scallops,
new bronze guides, coated HP springs, reconditioned rockers
intake manifold special Swain heat dissipating coating
Oil lines are Teflon
New Taylor ignition wires
Stainless headers by Dawley Aviation with special Swain coating, with EGT
holes
MOCAL oil thermostat plumbed with lines will provide cooler
New oil pump
remote filter mount and Teflon lines
new water pump
Turbo completely rebuilt and upgraded to include new compressor section,
Swain coated exhaust turbine section, hard line cooling line and more.
Ellison TBI 3A, all fuel lines Teflon to include line to firewall
Powder coated aluminum valve covers
Dual electronic ignition and pick ups, programmable
Alternator with overage voltage unit
Engine block heater, not that I needed it here in sunny California
I will give the list first shot and then either sell it locally or list on
EBay. This is a strong smooth engine. You wont be disappointed. If you have
the non-turbo NSI then this would be an easy swap for much more power and
higher density altitude capabilities. If your serious and would like to see
her run let me know ASAP.
ITEMS FOR SALE:
EA-81 TURBO engine with redrive ready to run $8,700 list 2002 price with
out upgrades list 11,500.
Vacuume pump Kit for EA-81 includes pump, drive assy, suction gauge by
rapco, filter and clamps. $750.00 list at $998.00
CAP 140 In-flight adjustable three blade hub assembly, includes hub
assembly, electronics control unit, panel switch and indicator lamp.$1625.oo
list $2165
CAP digital pitch indication gage with latest software upgrade $521.00 list
$695.00
Header tank aluminum***sold
Air oil separators 2 custom aluminum powder coated$288 ea list $385
Strobe kit with Nav lights multi station comet selectable flash, plus
collision white belly tail strobe $657.00 List $877
Strobe Whelen model 70821 red lens anti collision with power pack $181.00
Garmin 295 GPS with latest data base, extras $500.00 list N/A
Transponder Garmin GTX 327 solid state with rack, $ 1425.00 list $1895.00.
Pre wired Transcal encoder add $150.00 to price
Comm Radio Bendix King (97A TSO with mounting rack $825 list $1100.oo
E.L.T. Ameri king AK-450 with comm. Capability $138.00 list $184
Headset Bose Aviation X like new with case and original box $850.00 list
$995.00.
Headset Lightspeed 20X with soft case, very nice $326.00 list $435.00.
Traffic Alert ADT-300 Barley installed in aircraft $490.00 list $650.00
Fuel Flow gage JPI-450 with transducer $430.00 list $573.75
EGT digital by E.I. $180.00 list $239 I have two $180. each.
Hand Held Com/Nav radio VXA-200 by Yaesu. This unit has it all. Altitude
indication, density altitude pressure altitude, temperature and VOR great
rugged little radio, with extra NMHI battery $465.00 List $620.00
Com/Nav antenna by Advance Aircraft Electronics model VHF5-1, thin flat for
many applications to include composite aircraft. $94.00 list at $125.00
Volt/Amp gage digital by E.I. Electronics international model VA-1A
$214.00 list $285.00
Carb Ice temp gage by Westach with sending probe $53.00 lists at $69.80
Intercom by PS Engineering model PM100 II Also have digital cockpit
recorder, cant find price will include for additional $100.00 $335 List
$449.00
Electric Clock MD-90 BLET $169.00 List $226
Battery RG35AXC with custom aluminum power coated hold down and cables
$125.00
Battery PC680 with aluminum mounting box $75.00 was set up as back up
battery.
PRIMARY INSTRUMENTS
Air speed indicator W27859 by Winter zero to 180MPH $240.00 list $320.00
Directional Gyro model RCA11A-8 non electric TSO $438.00 list $548.00
Altimeter zero to 20,000 feet model BG-3 $406.00 list $542.00
Vertical Speed indicator $232.00 list $310.00
Turn coordinator by Electro gyro corp. model 1394T100-7Z 12-32V $630.00
list $840.00
HSI Attitude Gyro most likely RC Allen , it is vacuum but will have to
verify model and price
VDO gages
2 1/8 Tachometer, water temp,oil pressure, oil temperature, boost 0-15psi,
RPM gage large 3 1/8 maybe 3 not sure, egt 0-1600F
Interior
Oregon Aero temper foam seats, two sets plus extra seat cushion for seat
height adjustment, done in dark blue Best seats i have ever sat on makes
the flight very comfortable.$499 list at $670.00
Leather interior , this is for a model 5, may work on others, medium blue,
carbon fiber seat reinforced seat back included, leather covered front, rear
baggage cover with white embroidered EXPERIMENTAL on opening cover, open
area under turtle deck, center consol sides, left and right kick panels,
control stick boots and covers. I may have enough to do the glare shied but
will have to check. $1,200 List N/A
Cushions Standard velour in blue and red four cushions total $100.00
Heater cockpit 210CFM high output with two fans $260 list $345
Airframe
Turtle deck with smoke lexan glass, has scratch in glass $150.00
Cowling upper only not round type, NACCA scoop installed , also two sets of
vents aft, oil access and inspection door. $300.00
Cargo bay bag with aluminum bottom insert, $95.00
Long Wings with lift struts and braces, struts fared in, flapperons. These
items were damaged. Left substantially more than the right. They will both
need have the fabric removed and be inspected, repaired and re-certified for
airworthiness. I would say major damage to the left wing and minor to
moderate to the right. I can e-mail detail pics of both. Considering the
cost of new wings at over $4000.00 I think a fair starting point would be
about $1500 I am open to offers higher or a little lower. Will assist
freight pick up , no shipping from this end. Personal pick up is fine and I
will help you load up.
Wing towing braces $ 55.00
Electric elevator trim servo, dont really know but figure on 75 percent
of replacement.
Wheel pants left side only $50.00
Rudder
Elevator
Control rigging and pulleys
Wheels (2)
Brakes (2)
Master cylinders (4)
Fuel control valve by Andair replaced stock unit $180 list $240
I am sure there is more but thats all for now.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jay Carter
Subject: Kitfox-List: Header Tank
Anyone on the list have a header tank p/n 90064.000 that is surplus
to your needs and would sell? p/n is from S-6 assembly manual.
Jay C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <wingsdown(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Rick Please contact me off line |
The following items are being offered for sale. The engine is broken in and
has less than 75 hours.
If there is something not listed please let me know and we can figure
something out. I am offering at 75 percent of new unless otherwise stated
or agreed upon. Many of these items are based on 2002 prices. No tax and
actual UPS shipping only. I accept Pay Pal at wingsdown(at)comcast.net for fast
delivery. I will be posting pics to a web site soon. If you need some
right away just let me know.
I have decided to sell the engine package less firewall engine mount to
firewall. It was originally an NSI engine. I have completely rebuilt the
engine to include the heads. The redrive unit has the latest upgrade from
NSI, which I believe was new shaft and material, larger bearings and the
like. Below is a list of mods and parts:
Total run time appx 70 hours, engine was not running at time of nose wheel
collapse. Oil pan was damaged by nose strut but can be easily repaired or
replaced for about 300 dollars. . Engine has since been run, and oil changed
as well as redrive oil. This engine makes over 150HP. I will include
radiator and necessary plumbing from aircraft. This engine is complete and
ready to mount to NSI engine mount for aircraft of your choosing. It was in
a model 5 Kitfox. Mounts on engine are included. No break in necessary, its
been done. Keep in mind the rotax engine is going for about 20K and does not
make this kind of power nor is it rated for continuous full power operation.
New pistons and rings
All new bearings and seals
Pistons, pins, rings and block cryogenic treated, not over sized
Pistons ceramic coated tops molly sides
Cylinders line honed
Crank zero run out
reconditioned rods with new bushings weight matched
new turbo cam coated by Swain
reconditioned lifters
stainless down pipe and stack
heads have stainless valves, 3 angle valve cut, ceramic tops and scallops,
new bronze guides, coated HP springs, reconditioned rockers
intake manifold special Swain heat dissipating coating
Oil lines are Teflon
New Taylor ignition wires
Stainless headers by Dawley Aviation with special Swain coating, with EGT
holes
MOCAL oil thermostat plumbed with lines will provide cooler
New oil pump
remote filter mount and Teflon lines
new water pump
Turbo completely rebuilt and upgraded to include new compressor section,
Swain coated exhaust turbine section, hard line cooling line and more.
Ellison TBI 3A, all fuel lines Teflon to include line to firewall
Powder coated aluminum valve covers
Dual electronic ignition and pick ups, programmable
Alternator with overage voltage unit
Engine block heater, not that I needed it here in sunny California
I will give the list first shot and then either sell it locally or list on
EBay. This is a strong smooth engine. You wont be disappointed. If you have
the non-turbo NSI then this would be an easy swap for much more power and
higher density altitude capabilities. If your serious and would like to see
her run let me know ASAP.
ITEMS FOR SALE:
EA-81 TURBO engine with redrive ready to run $8,700 list 2002 price with
out upgrades list 11,500.
Vacuume pump Kit for EA-81 includes pump, drive assy, suction gauge by
rapco, filter and clamps. $750.00 list at $998.00
CAP 140 In-flight adjustable three blade hub assembly, includes hub
assembly, electronics control unit, panel switch and indicator lamp.$1625.oo
list $2165
CAP digital pitch indication gage with latest software upgrade $521.00 list
$695.00
Header tank aluminum***sold
Air oil separators 2 custom aluminum powder coated$288 ea list $385
Strobe kit with Nav lights multi station comet selectable flash, plus
collision white belly tail strobe $657.00 List $877
Strobe Whelen model 70821 red lens anti collision with power pack $181.00
Garmin 295 GPS with latest data base, extras $500.00 list N/A
Transponder Garmin GTX 327 solid state with rack, $ 1425.00 list $1895.00.
Pre wired Transcal encoder add $150.00 to price
Comm Radio Bendix King (97A TSO with mounting rack $825 list $1100.oo
E.L.T. Ameri king AK-450 with comm. Capability $138.00 list $184
Headset Bose Aviation X like new with case and original box $850.00 list
$995.00.
Headset Lightspeed 20X with soft case, very nice $326.00 list $435.00.
Traffic Alert ADT-300 Barley installed in aircraft $490.00 list $650.00
Fuel Flow gage JPI-450 with transducer $430.00 list $573.75
EGT digital by E.I. $180.00 list $239 I have two $180. each.
Hand Held Com/Nav radio VXA-200 by Yaesu. This unit has it all. Altitude
indication, density altitude pressure altitude, temperature and VOR great
rugged little radio, with extra NMHI battery $465.00 List $620.00
Com/Nav antenna by Advance Aircraft Electronics model VHF5-1, thin flat for
many applications to include composite aircraft. $94.00 list at $125.00
Volt/Amp gage digital by E.I. Electronics international model VA-1A
$214.00 list $285.00
Carb Ice temp gage by Westach with sending probe $53.00 lists at $69.80
Intercom by PS Engineering model PM100 II Also have digital cockpit
recorder, cant find price will include for additional $100.00 $335 List
$449.00
Electric Clock MD-90 BLET $169.00 List $226
Battery RG35AXC with custom aluminum power coated hold down and cables
$125.00
Battery PC680 with aluminum mounting box $75.00 was set up as back up
battery.
PRIMARY INSTRUMENTS
Air speed indicator W27859 by Winter zero to 180MPH $240.00 list $320.00
Directional Gyro model RCA11A-8 non electric TSO $438.00 list $548.00
Altimeter zero to 20,000 feet model BG-3 $406.00 list $542.00
Vertical Speed indicator $232.00 list $310.00
Turn coordinator by Electro gyro corp. model 1394T100-7Z 12-32V $630.00
list $840.00
HSI Attitude Gyro most likely RC Allen , it is vacuum but will have to
verify model and price
VDO gages
2 1/8 Tachometer, water temp,oil pressure, oil temperature, boost 0-15psi,
RPM gage large 3 1/8 maybe 3 not sure, egt 0-1600F
Interior
Oregon Aero temper foam seats, two sets plus extra seat cushion for seat
height adjustment, done in dark blue Best seats i have ever sat on makes
the flight very comfortable.$499 list at $670.00
Leather interior , this is for a model 5, may work on others, medium blue,
carbon fiber seat reinforced seat back included, leather covered front, rear
baggage cover with white embroidered EXPERIMENTAL on opening cover, open
area under turtle deck, center consol sides, left and right kick panels,
control stick boots and covers. I may have enough to do the glare shied but
will have to check. $1,200 List N/A
Cushions Standard velour in blue and red four cushions total $100.00
Heater cockpit 210CFM high output with two fans $260 list $345
Airframe
Turtle deck with smoke lexan glass, has scratch in glass $150.00
Cowling upper only not round type, NACCA scoop installed , also two sets of
vents aft, oil access and inspection door. $300.00
Cargo bay bag with aluminum bottom insert, $95.00
Long Wings with lift struts and braces, struts fared in, flapperons. These
items were damaged. Left substantially more than the right. They will both
need have the fabric removed and be inspected, repaired and re-certified for
airworthiness. I would say major damage to the left wing and minor to
moderate to the right. I can e-mail detail pics of both. Considering the
cost of new wings at over $4000.00 I think a fair starting point would be
about $1500 I am open to offers higher or a little lower. Will assist
freight pick up , no shipping from this end. Personal pick up is fine and I
will help you load up.
Wing towing braces $ 55.00
Electric elevator trim servo, dont really know but figure on 75 percent
of replacement.
Wheel pants left side only $50.00
Rudder
Elevator
Control rigging and pulleys
Wheels (2)
Brakes (2)
Master cylinders (4)
Fuel control valve by Andair replaced stock unit $180 list $240
I am sure there is more but thats all for now.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harris,
Robert
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rick Please contact me off line
Hi Rick,
Can you please contact me off line at 760-415-1810 or e-mail me at
Robert_harris(at)intuit.com
Thanks,
Robert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Anderson" <janderson412(at)hotmail.com> |
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1069446885,
works great indeed! JohnA.
From: Alan & Linda Daniels <aldaniels(at)fmtc.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trim
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:17:39 -0600
You really can not put the trim markings on until you fly. Just use a
marker and put a line on the metal strip just for reference were you
think is about right. You will be holding on to the stick so tight the
first flight that you will have no idea if the trim is right or not.
Then when you fly you can see were it really is and remark. When you are
happy with that then put your sicker on. Close is good enough for test
flying as the stick pressures are not that high even if you are way out
of trim, like full up when you forget to reset before takeoff. You will
find that the plane does not use much trim except for landing. I use one
notch flaps for takeoff and taking the flap off goes to close to cruse
climb. Little bumps to the switch will tune it up. It is a bugger
getting that sticker on without taking the indicator out, which is why I
have colored tape to indicate the takeoff zone on one of my planes. Too
many thumbs to install it right
Alan
Kerry Skyring wrote:
>
>George wrote..
>I have a Mod 5 with a 912S and recently installed a dual Amp & Volt
meter...
>
>George I can't answer your question but as you are an S5 with 912S flyer
>then I'd like to put a couple of questions. We are about to receive the
>flight permit for an S5 with 912S and as the day draws closer questions
>arise.
>
>Any problems with the trim? Our inspector thought the trim indicator was
all
>wrong and we've just spent a day completely re-doing everything to do with
>the trim (according to the manual) and ended up back where we were in the
>first place.
>
>Did all your rigging come out right? Our down elevator is one or two
degrees
>less than it should be.
>
>What's your cruise speed? We have fixed pitch prop, Grove gear and big
>tyres.
>
>And are you pleased with your S5?
>
>Sorry about the questions and lack of answers but you probably know how it
>is as the day approaches - the head scratching and worrying intensifies.
>Kerry
>Kitfox builders helper
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar(at)othertonair.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Altering early wing section |
Dear Foxfolk,
Is there a consensus view regarding the benefits (or otherwise) of infilling
the underside of the early wing ribs?
I've been told that the cruise performance of my Mk3 will be improved by
altering the standard wing section to the one introduced on the Mk4. Since
I'm soon to start making my wings this would be the time to make the change
but I'd feel happier about the decision after hearing a few more opinions.
Is there anyone on list who's actually made this particular modification?
Much of my flying will be from short grass airstrips, my home airfield has
300 yards available.
Gordon Faulkner
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W Duke <n981ms(at)yahoo.com> |
FWIW. On a somewhat related note someone suggested to me on the intial test flight,
err on the side of too much down trim. That way you do not have an unexpected
and too early lift off proceeding rapidly to a dangerously nose high attitude.
Maxwell
Alan & Linda Daniels wrote:
You really can not put the trim markings on until you fly. Just use a
marker and put a line on the metal strip just for reference were you
think is about right. You will be holding on to the stick so tight the
first flight that you will have no idea if the trim is right or not.
Then when you fly you can see were it really is and remark. When you are
happy with that then put your sicker on. Close is good enough for test
flying as the stick pressures are not that high even if you are way out
of trim, like full up when you forget to reset before takeoff. You will
find that the plane does not use much trim except for landing. I use one
notch flaps for takeoff and taking the flap off goes to close to cruse
climb. Little bumps to the switch will tune it up. It is a bugger
getting that sticker on without taking the indicator out, which is why I
have colored tape to indicate the takeoff zone on one of my planes. Too
many thumbs to install it right
Alan
Kerry Skyring wrote:
>
>George wrote..
>I have a Mod 5 with a 912S and recently installed a dual Amp & Volt meter...
>
>George I can't answer your question but as you are an S5 with 912S flyer
>then I'd like to put a couple of questions. We are about to receive the
>flight permit for an S5 with 912S and as the day draws closer questions
>arise.
>
>Any problems with the trim? Our inspector thought the trim indicator was all
>wrong and we've just spent a day completely re-doing everything to do with
>the trim (according to the manual) and ended up back where we were in the
>first place.
>
>Did all your rigging come out right? Our down elevator is one or two degrees
>less than it should be.
>
>What's your cruise speed? We have fixed pitch prop, Grove gear and big
>tyres.
>
>And are you pleased with your S5?
>
>Sorry about the questions and lack of answers but you probably know how it
>is as the day approaches - the head scratching and worrying intensifies.
>Kerry
>Kitfox builders helper
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michel Verheughe <michel(at)online.no> |
| Subject: | Altering early wing section |
> From: Gordon Faulkner [hagar(at)othertonair.freeserve.co.uk]
> I've been told that the cruise performance of my Mk3 will be improved by
> altering the standard wing section to the one introduced on the Mk4.
Hello Gordon,
I also have a Mk3 with the undercambered wings. But I wouldn't try to change it,
even if it may increase a bit my cruise speed. I know very little about airfoils
but I think that what you will gain in cruise speed, you will loose as lift
at slow speed. And, on a warm sunny day, with a chubby passenger, no wind,
wet and long grass ... 300 yards is not all that much of a distance to take off,
is it?
Just my twopence, old chap!
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Aerobatics(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Altering early wing section |
In a message dated 10/24/2005 8:25:09 AM Central Daylight Time,
michel(at)online.no writes:
> From: Gordon Faulkner [hagar(at)othertonair.freeserve.co.uk]
> I've been told that the cruise performance of my Mk3 will be improved by
> altering the standard wing section to the one introduced on the Mk4.
Hello Gordon,
I also have a Mk3 with the undercambered wings. But I wouldn't try to change
it, even if it may increase a bit my cruise speed. I know very little about
airfoils but I think that what you will gain in cruise speed, you will loose
as lift at slow speed. And, on a warm sunny day, with a chubby passenger, no
wind, wet and long grass ... 300 yards is not all that much of a distance to
take off, is it?
Just my twopence, old chap!
Cheers,
Michel
I have a Model 2.....my EW strip is less that 800 feet and the NS is 400.
Yes, I fly in and out at gross weight all the time...
KF2 582 IVO prop
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tinne maha" <tinnemaha(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | S-5 Rudder Pedal Reinforcements |
Has anyone tried installing rudder pedal reinforcing gussets after the
rudder pedals were assembled? What is the best way to do so?
I can remove the pedals from the fuselage okay, but would rather not remove
the rivets holding them onto the torque tubes if I can avoid it.
It seems to me that the plastic bushings over the torque tubes would melt by
the heat of welding. Riveting doesn't seem strong enough & one must drill
into structure to rivet.
Any tales of experience will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Grant Krueger
S-5 TD w/O-235
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | S-5 Rudder Pedal Reinforcements |
I have a casted kit for this. Give me a shout off-line...
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tinne maha
Subject: Kitfox-List: S-5 Rudder Pedal Reinforcements
Has anyone tried installing rudder pedal reinforcing gussets after the
rudder pedals were assembled? What is the best way to do so?
I can remove the pedals from the fuselage okay, but would rather not remove
the rivets holding them onto the torque tubes if I can avoid it.
It seems to me that the plastic bushings over the torque tubes would melt by
the heat of welding. Riveting doesn't seem strong enough & one must drill
into structure to rivet.
Any tales of experience will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Grant Krueger
S-5 TD w/O-235
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Disher" <jdisher(at)intergate.com> |
| Subject: | Prop blade pitch |
I have a Kitfox IV Speedster with a Rotax 912, which originally had a Ivo in flight
adjustable prop. I fanially got tired of replacing the broken adjustment
mechanism and puttin up with the harmonics of all blade not (apparently) being
set to the same pitch. replaced it with a 3 blade Warp drive Prop, but am having
trouble with where to set the pitch. The first suggestion I got had me at
17 degrees and the engine won't wind up all the way in a staic runnup. HELP>>>>>>>>>>>>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LGreen4899(at)aol.com |
I just sold my kitfox How do I get off the list L , Green
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless(at)barefootpilot.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop blade pitch |
Try going down to about 12 degress, then just fine tune it. It will take
lots of trial and error to get it set just right and you won't really know
until you fly it at different settings. I would suggest using a digital
level or laser to really get your blades set exactly the same. Be sure to
have each blade rotated to exactly the same position as the first one to
take your measurements. I used a piece of wood cut to a lenght that would
allow it to stand up on the floor and touch the bottom of the blade tip when
the blade was parallel to the floor.
Also, on the warp drive you need to check for blade alignment in addition to
pitch. Just put a stationary object on the floor and rotate the blades
around and make sure the tip of each blade passes the same distance to the
object, no more than 1/8" difference. Use shims behind the hub to adjust
alignment.
Once you get the pitch set where you like it, put index marks on the blade
root and hub. You can set up different settings for bush work or for cruise.
The marks will get you very close when changing from one setting to another.
Good luck,
Cliff
>
> I have a Kitfox IV Speedster with a Rotax 912, which originally had a Ivo
> in flight adjustable prop. I fanially got tired of replacing the broken
> adjustment mechanism and puttin up with the harmonics of all blade not
> (apparently) being set to the same pitch. replaced it with a 3 blade Warp
> drive Prop, but am having trouble with where to set the pitch. The first
> suggestion I got had me at 17 degrees and the engine won't wind up all the
> way in a staic runnup. HELP>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fox5flyer" <morid(at)northland.lib.mi.us> |
All taken care of L.
Have a great day.
Deke
List Janitor
----- Original Message -----
From: <LGreen4899(at)aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: list
>
> I just sold my kitfox How do I get off the list L , Green
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Aerobatics(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Short field. WAS: Altering early wing section |
In a message dated 10/24/2005 12:01:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
michel(at)online.no writes:
Aerobatics(at)aol.com wrote:
> I have a Model 2.....my EW strip is less that 800 feet and the NS is 400.
> Yes, I fly in and out at gross weight all the time...
Then you are a better pilot than I am, Dave. But it should't be too
difficult. :-)
Cheers,
Michel
do not archive
NO No I didnt mean to offend...... :-) Its the plane ... Its about
proper numbrs etc.
at gross weight, it stalls around 38 mph... Base I am at 50 final I start
slowing down so at short final 45, then over the threashold at 40 and 1 to 3
altitude..... gives a bit of speed for flare. 3 point full stall, is the
only way for real short landings...:-)
It does take a bit of practice, but it just goes to show...if I can do it
anybody can!
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Aerobatics(at)AOL.COM |
In a message dated 10/24/2005 3:17:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
michel(at)online.no writes:
No offence taken, my friend. If I am not good at short field it's because I
fly
from a 2,400 ft asphalt runway and that's plenty of space. I don't have to
worry if I float after flaring, I have plenty of space. But the few times I
have been taking off from a short gras field, on a hot day and with a
passenger, I was surprised how short the runway was. It felt very short but
as
Einstein once said, it's all relative! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
Agreed....
By the way, you might want to practice short field landings... It is an
amazing plane and it my someday come in very handy, especially in an emergency
Best,
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jerry Liles <wliles(at)bayou.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Altering early wing section |
The early wing section was designed by Dean Wilson for the Avid A
model. It is not a standard catalogued section. None-the-less it
performs very well at low speed, better than the MK IV section. If you
are interested in STOL it is a better profile. If speed is your need
you need a different airplane. However you can gain a not
inconsequential increase in speed with careful fairing of the struts and
roots and landing gear. On a Mod III I'd stick with the original wing
and enjoy the superior short field performance.
Jerry Liles
Gordon Faulkner wrote:
>
>Dear Foxfolk,
>Is there a consensus view regarding the benefits (or otherwise) of infilling
>the underside of the early wing ribs?
>
>I've been told that the cruise performance of my Mk3 will be improved by
>altering the standard wing section to the one introduced on the Mk4. Since
>I'm soon to start making my wings this would be the time to make the change
>but I'd feel happier about the decision after hearing a few more opinions.
>Is there anyone on list who's actually made this particular modification?
>
>Much of my flying will be from short grass airstrips, my home airfield has
>300 yards available.
>
>Gordon Faulkner
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | glass streaks and scratches |
Searched the archives for a recent post regarding a spray cleaner of
some sort that gets rid of streaking or scratches that impair visibility
in your windshield or bubble doors. Anyone remember what the product or
solution was?
Thanks,
Jared
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Daughenbaugh" <rjdaugh(at)rapidnet.com> |
| Subject: | glass streaks and scratches |
Jared,
Go to your local car parts store and ask for something for your plastic
windshield in your boat. Aircraft Spruce has something too, but may cost
more.
Also get some "microfiber" towels. They won't scratch your windshield.
Randy
.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jareds
Subject: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
Searched the archives for a recent post regarding a spray cleaner of
some sort that gets rid of streaking or scratches that impair visibility
in your windshield or bubble doors. Anyone remember what the product or
solution was?
Thanks,
Jared
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ron schick" <roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | glass streaks and scratches |
Jared I was in My shop with an automotive buffer and tryed it on my
winshield. Just like on paint it polished out the scraches like new. As
with paint it is easy to " burn through". Use caution but with the right
buffing compounds even deep scraches can be buffed out. Test on scraps
first.
Ron NB Ore.
>From: jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
>Subject: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:18:08 -0500
>
>
>Searched the archives for a recent post regarding a spray cleaner of
>some sort that gets rid of streaking or scratches that impair visibility
>in your windshield or bubble doors. Anyone remember what the product or
>solution was?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jared
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Graeme Toft" <msm(at)byterocky.net> |
HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife wont let
me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming firmly established.
I do however have a storage problem and need some advise as to how you
have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod at this stage leaving
behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone glassed in this area
or made shelves or anything similar to help out with carrying your gear around.
There appears to be plenty of room behind the seat so some advice, photo's
etc detailing how you have managed it would be great.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: glass streaks and scratches |
Ron,
Does this work to get the "cloudiness" out of the glass too?
ron schick wrote:
>
>Jared I was in My shop with an automotive buffer and tryed it on my
>winshield. Just like on paint it polished out the scraches like new. As
>with paint it is easy to " burn through". Use caution but with the right
>buffing compounds even deep scraches can be buffed out. Test on scraps
>first.
> Ron NB Ore.
>
>
>
>
>>From: jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net>
>>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
>>Subject: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
>>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:18:08 -0500
>>
>>
>>Searched the archives for a recent post regarding a spray cleaner of
>>some sort that gets rid of streaking or scratches that impair visibility
>>in your windshield or bubble doors. Anyone remember what the product or
>>solution was?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jared
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net> |
Cheers Graeme,
Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
yourself.
Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
under-the-seat storage bin.
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall(at)comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some advise
as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
great.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ron schick" <roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: glass streaks and scratches |
Negative.. Surface defects only Ron
>From: jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net>
>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:16:32 -0500
>
>
>Ron,
>
>Does this work to get the "cloudiness" out of the glass too?
>
>ron schick wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Jared I was in My shop with an automotive buffer and tryed it on my
> >winshield. Just like on paint it polished out the scraches like new. As
> >with paint it is easy to " burn through". Use caution but with the right
> >buffing compounds even deep scraches can be buffed out. Test on scraps
> >first.
> > Ron NB Ore.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net>
> >>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> >>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
> >>Subject: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
> >>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:18:08 -0500
> >>
> >>
> >>Searched the archives for a recent post regarding a spray cleaner of
> >>some sort that gets rid of streaking or scratches that impair visibility
> >>in your windshield or bubble doors. Anyone remember what the product or
> >>solution was?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Jared
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <wingsdown(at)comcast.net> |
I also have one listed in the email I posted. It has a nice lite aluminum
bottom to hold stuff witout warping.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
Cheers Graeme,
Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
yourself.
Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
under-the-seat storage bin.
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall(at)comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some advise
as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
great.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> |
Hi all!
Does anyone have a recommendation on how to seal the openings
where the gear shock-cord comes through? It seems like a likely entrance
for exhaust fumes.
Thanks,
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Thomas White <twhitepa(at)magiclink.com> |
Hello,
I'm new to the list and am impressed with the support out there. I'm
one of the unlucky ones that put down a $12,000 deposit on a Classic IV
and got nothing due to the Bankruptcy. I was discouraged at first, but
I think the Kitfox is a great plane and decided to buy a completed one
and am picking up a model II on Friday. My question is, this has the
old 582 plate mount and I would like to upgrade. I have the mount that
goes to the firewall, but there are 4 brackets and rubber pieces that
bolt to the engine and then the mount. Does anyone know where I could
get these, or get dimensions and fabricate my own?
Thanks
Tom White
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar(at)othertonair.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Mass balances: WAS Altering early wing section |
Thanks for the wing section info Jerry, the concensus opinion on this list
definately is to retain the original Dean Wilson section on my K3 so that's
what I've decided to do. For me speed is much less of an issue than short
field capability, although an extra 10mph on economy cruise would have been
welcome. Obviously with a Vne of 100mph the Kitfox 3 isn't for speed freaks
(for that I have a Suzuki TL1000S).
Changing subject: my kit has a pair of mass balance weights with it and the
Build Manual page W40 describes how to fit them, it's a 1990 kit (number
918). I've downloaded the bulletins from the Skystar site (it's still
functional at present) and found a mandatory one dated August 14 1992
stating that mass balances MUST be fitted. This bulletin followed a couple
of flaperon flutter incidents. Thing is during the last month the Kifoxes
I've looked at here in UK, a K2 and three K3's, don't have mass balances. My
guess is there might be a good reason why they haven't been fitted. Anyone
know what it is? The ones I have seem really heavy (massive?) for attaching
to the very light flaperon structure.
Brgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Liles" <wliles(at)bayou.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Altering early wing section
>
> The early wing section was designed by Dean Wilson for the Avid A
> model. It is not a standard catalogued section. None-the-less it
> performs very well at low speed, better than the MK IV section. If you
> are interested in STOL it is a better profile. If speed is your need
> you need a different airplane. However you can gain a not
> inconsequential increase in speed with careful fairing of the struts and
> roots and landing gear. On a Mod III I'd stick with the original wing
> and enjoy the superior short field performance.
>
> Jerry Liles
>
> Gordon Faulkner wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Dear Foxfolk,
>>Is there a consensus view regarding the benefits (or otherwise) of
>>infilling
>>the underside of the early wing ribs?
>>
>>I've been told that the cruise performance of my Mk3 will be improved by
>>altering the standard wing section to the one introduced on the Mk4. Since
>>I'm soon to start making my wings this would be the time to make the
>>change
>>but I'd feel happier about the decision after hearing a few more opinions.
>>Is there anyone on list who's actually made this particular modification?
>>
>>Much of my flying will be from short grass airstrips, my home airfield has
>>300 yards available.
>>
>>Gordon Faulkner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar(at)othertonair.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Storage issues |
Hya Don,
Do you have a contact number or e-address for the "people who make the
Skystar upholstery"? My K3 kit doesn't have any upholstery with it and I'd
like to fit new rather than search for a used set.
Rgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
> same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall(at)comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
> advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
> be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon Faulkner" <hagar(at)othertonair.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
Hya Tom,
Not quite sure what parts you mean but I've got a set of 582 engine mounts
for a K3 including an aluminium lower plate, a powdercoated "spider" mount
and some rubbers, I won't be needing these because I'm fitting a 912. If
these parts are any use to you contact me off-list.
Fortunately the previous owner of my kit (who didn't start building it)
bought a set of 912 engine mounts from Skystar before they went under.
Rgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas White" <twhitepa(at)magiclink.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Mounts
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm new to the list and am impressed with the support out there. I'm
> one of the unlucky ones that put down a $12,000 deposit on a Classic IV
> and got nothing due to the Bankruptcy. I was discouraged at first, but
> I think the Kitfox is a great plane and decided to buy a completed one
> and am picking up a model II on Friday. My question is, this has the
> old 582 plate mount and I would like to upgrade. I have the mount that
> goes to the firewall, but there are 4 brackets and rubber pieces that
> bolt to the engine and then the mount. Does anyone know where I could
> get these, or get dimensions and fabricate my own?
> Thanks
> Tom White
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michel Verheughe <michel(at)online.no> |
> From: Gordon Faulkner [hagar(at)othertonair.freeserve.co.uk]
> Changing subject: my kit has a pair of mass balance weights with it and the
> Build Manual page W40 describes how to fit them, it's a 1990 kit (number
> 918).
Gordon, my model 3 is from 1991 (build #998) and it was finished built in 1993,
not by me, unfortunately, I am the third owner.
It has the mass balances and while it may look heavy in your hand, it feels ok
once installed on the flaperons.
My understanding is that, with them, you can increase your Vne. Incidentally, mine
is, as noted by the builder, 100 MPH. But I believe, with the masses, I can
exceed that without risking fluttering of the flaperon. Please double-check
this, my memory is as unreliable as any advice I may give! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com> |
| Subject: | Re: glass streaks and scratches |
I purchased a "scratch removal kit" at OSH and used it on a sidewinder
canopy. I worked good, but was a lot of work to do a perfect job. It took
about 6 hours to do a windshield and canopy. The basic idea is several
grades of sandpaper starting at 1500 grit and going to 3600 (all done wet)
all with velcro back for a random orbital sander, which I purchased from
harbor freight. Then a liquid was used on a buffing pad (furnished in the
kit)followed by an antistatic cream. There is also a hand kit with some of
the same products, only in strips used for hand sanding, which on a complete
windshield would way to much work. When at the hanger i'll get the name
and address for those who contact me off list at shilocom(at)mcmsys.com Cost
was around $80 US. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jareds" <jareds(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
>
> Ron,
>
> Does this work to get the "cloudiness" out of the glass too?
>
> ron schick wrote:
>
> >
> >Jared I was in My shop with an automotive buffer and tryed it on my
> >winshield. Just like on paint it polished out the scraches like new. As
> >with paint it is easy to " burn through". Use caution but with the right
> >buffing compounds even deep scraches can be buffed out. Test on scraps
> >first.
> > Ron NB Ore.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: jareds <jareds(at)verizon.net>
> >>Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> >>To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
> >>Subject: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
> >>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:18:08 -0500
> >>
> >>
> >>Searched the archives for a recent post regarding a spray cleaner of
> >>some sort that gets rid of streaking or scratches that impair visibility
> >>in your windshield or bubble doors. Anyone remember what the product or
> >>solution was?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Jared
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mass balances |
There is more than the ailerons to worry about flutteron, but don't know
what the VNE is rated for on a MOD 3, but can't imagine wanting to go faster
than 100 in a mod 3. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel(at)online.no>
Subject: SV: Kitfox-List: Mass balances
>
> > From: Gordon Faulkner [hagar(at)othertonair.freeserve.co.uk]
> > Changing subject: my kit has a pair of mass balance weights with it and
the
> > Build Manual page W40 describes how to fit them, it's a 1990 kit (number
> > 918).
>
> Gordon, my model 3 is from 1991 (build #998) and it was finished built in
1993, not by me, unfortunately, I am the third owner.
> It has the mass balances and while it may look heavy in your hand, it
feels ok once installed on the flaperons.
>
> My understanding is that, with them, you can increase your Vne.
Incidentally, mine is, as noted by the builder, 100 MPH. But I believe, with
the masses, I can exceed that without risking fluttering of the flaperon.
Please double-check this, my memory is as unreliable as any advice I may
give! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Skyring" <kerryskyring(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks John. Yes that looks like a great idea. We will stick with the cable
and spring system for now. It was just that our inspector didn't like the
lag or delay which you get because of the lack of tension in the spring.
Anyway we're done and the focus is now on the first flight. Kerry.
http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=view&epoch=1069446885,
>works great indeed! JohnA.
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mscotter(at)comcast.net |
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building wing
lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar option?
Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall(at)comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
>
>
>
>
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building wing
lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a Skystar option?
Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
Cheers Graeme,
Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
yourself.
Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
under-the-seat storage bin.
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall(at)comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
&
gt; Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft"
HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some advise
as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
great.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
- The Kitfox-List Email Forum -
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Floran Higgins" <cliffh(at)outdrs.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Storage issues |
I am in the market for a cargo pod for a model 4 speedster. Now that Skystar
is out of business, I was wondering if anyone on the list had one for sale.
Floran H.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme Toft" <msm(at)byterocky.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
> advise as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided
> against a pod at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only
> option. Has anyone glassed in this area or made shelves or anything
> similar to help out with carrying your gear around. There appears to be
> plenty of room behind the seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how
> you have managed it would be great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Zakreski <szakreski(at)shaw.ca> |
I have 2 wing lockers. Some people seem to really like them, but for the
little space they offer, and the work involved in building them, I would not
put wing lockers in my next Kitfox.
SteveZ
Calgary
IV/EA81/CAP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
mscotter(at)comcast.net
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building
wing lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a
Skystar option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall(at)comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
>
>
>
>
What about wing lockers? I seem to remember reading about someone building
wing lockers into their kitfox, but I have never seen this. Was this a
Skystar option? Does anyone have pics of an installation?
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Don Pearsall"
Cheers Graeme,
Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The same
people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
yourself.
Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
under-the-seat storage bin.
Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
425-392.4627
FAX 425-557-0107
donpearsall(at)comcast.net
http://www.soundappraisal.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
&
gt; Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "Graeme Toft"
HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
advise
as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would be
great.
Cheers
Graeme Toft
- The Kitfox-List Email Forum -
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Storage issues (Upholstery) |
Here is a message that Sam Knight posted a little while ago. He pops up from
time to time to advertise on the list:
Don Pearsall
_______________________________
Kitfox Builders:
I have been in the upholstery business for 30 years and have been making
upholstery products for kitplanes for 18 years. I have interior kits
available for the Model I, Model II, Model III, Model IV, Lite (Squared),
Series 5, Series 6, Vixen, and the Ultralight plus Sky Raider Ultralight. I
also have cabin covers and other items. A list of other kitplane interior
products available upon request.
For more information, call Knight Aircraft Interiors, Inc., at (702)
207-6681 or e mail me at knightair(at)lv.rmci.net. If you e-mail for
information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention. Photos
available upon request.
Sincerely,
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
Sam Knight
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Faulkner
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
Hya Don,
Do you have a contact number or e-address for the "people who make the
Skystar upholstery"? My K3 kit doesn't have any upholstery with it and I'd
like to fit new rather than search for a used set.
Rgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
> same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall(at)comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
> advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
> be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick" <wingsdown(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Storage issues (Upholstery) |
Hey Don, no more info like that until all my interior stuff is sold :)
Beside you want folks to get a good deal right.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues (Upholstery)
Here is a message that Sam Knight posted a little while ago. He pops up from
time to time to advertise on the list:
Don Pearsall
_______________________________
Kitfox Builders:
I have been in the upholstery business for 30 years and have been making
upholstery products for kitplanes for 18 years. I have interior kits
available for the Model I, Model II, Model III, Model IV, Lite (Squared),
Series 5, Series 6, Vixen, and the Ultralight plus Sky Raider Ultralight. I
also have cabin covers and other items. A list of other kitplane interior
products available upon request.
For more information, call Knight Aircraft Interiors, Inc., at (702)
207-6681 or e mail me at knightair(at)lv.rmci.net. If you e-mail for
information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention. Photos
available upon request.
Sincerely,
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
Sam Knight
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Faulkner
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
Hya Don,
Do you have a contact number or e-address for the "people who make the
Skystar upholstery"? My K3 kit doesn't have any upholstery with it and I'd
like to fit new rather than search for a used set.
Rgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
> same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall(at)comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
> advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
> be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Storage issues (Upholstery) |
I may also have upholstery available... Definitely for the IV, 5, 6 and 7
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
www.sportplanellc.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues (Upholstery)
Here is a message that Sam Knight posted a little while ago. He pops up from
time to time to advertise on the list:
Don Pearsall
_______________________________
Kitfox Builders:
I have been in the upholstery business for 30 years and have been making
upholstery products for kitplanes for 18 years. I have interior kits
available for the Model I, Model II, Model III, Model IV, Lite (Squared),
Series 5, Series 6, Vixen, and the Ultralight plus Sky Raider Ultralight. I
also have cabin covers and other items. A list of other kitplane interior
products available upon request.
For more information, call Knight Aircraft Interiors, Inc., at (702)
207-6681 or e mail me at knightair(at)lv.rmci.net. If you e-mail for
information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention. Photos
available upon request.
Sincerely,
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
Sam Knight
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Faulkner
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
Hya Don,
Do you have a contact number or e-address for the "people who make the
Skystar upholstery"? My K3 kit doesn't have any upholstery with it and I'd
like to fit new rather than search for a used set.
Rgds, Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
>
> Cheers Graeme,
> Most people opt for a "baggage sack" for the behind the seat area. The
> same
> people who make the Skystar upholstery make them. Or you can make one
> yourself.
>
> Also don't forget for the Series 5 and above, John McBean sells an
> under-the-seat storage bin.
>
>
> Don Pearsall
> Sound Appraisal
> Seattle, WA USA
> 425-392.4627
> FAX 425-557-0107
> donpearsall(at)comcast.net
> http://www.soundappraisal.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Toft
> To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Storage issues
>
>
> HI Guys, Im settling into the new plane really well and although my wife
> wont let me sleep in the hanger with it yet our relationship is becoming
> firmly established. I do however have a storage problem and need some
> advise
> as to how you have all dealt with this issue. I have decided against a pod
> at this stage leaving behind the seat storage the only option. Has anyone
> glassed in this area or made shelves or anything similar to help out with
> carrying your gear around. There appears to be plenty of room behind the
> seat so some advice, photo's etc detailing how you have managed it would
> be
> great.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Graeme Toft
>
>
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| From: | kerrjohna(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | glass streaks and scratches |
great feature in Kitplanes previous issue on care of plex
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
>
> Jared I was in My shop with an automotive buffer and tryed it on my
> winshield. Just like on paint it polished out the scraches like new. As
> with paint it is easy to " burn through". Use caution but with the right
> buffing compounds even deep scraches can be buffed out. Test on scraps
> first.
> Ron NB Ore.
>
>
> >From: jareds
> >Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
> >Subject: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
> >Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:18:08 -0500
> >
> >
> >Searched the archives for a recent post regarding a spray cleaner of
> >some sort that gets rid of streaking or scratches that impair visibility
> >in your windshield or bubble doors. Anyone remember what the product or
> >solution was?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jared
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
great feature in Kitplanes previous issue on care of plex
John Kerr
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: "ron schick"
Jared I was in My shop with an automotive buffer and tryed it on my
winshield. Just like on paint it polished out the scraches like new. As
with paint it is easy to " burn through". Use caution but with the right
buffing compounds even deep scraches can be buffed out. Test on scraps
first.
Ron NB Ore.
From: jareds <JAREDS(at)VERIZON.NET>
Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com.Gecko/20040804.Netscape/7.2 (ax)
Subject: Kitfox-List: glass streaks and scratches
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:18:08 -0500
-- Kitfox-List message posted by: jareds
Searched the archives for a recent post regarding a spray cleaner of
some sort that gets rid of streaking or scratches that impair visibility
in your windshield or bubble doors. Anyone remember what the product or
solution was?
Thanks,
Jared
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| From: | John Disher <jdisher(at)intergate.com> |
I have a Kitfox IV Speedster powered by a Rotax 912. I have just
finished suffering through an Ivo inflight adjustable pitch prop, tiring
of the problems and switched to a Warp Drive 3 blade ground adjustable
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