Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-cm

November 08, 2000 - December 01, 2000



      
      
      
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From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/07/00 message
Date: Nov 08, 2000
I had the same problem the other day with the degree symbol. Dunno why ?? Big Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" <ron.carroll(at)att.net> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 6:55 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 11/07/00 message of > > This should have read 3" & 1.5" , not 3" & 1". > > Apparently the character for the 1/2 symbol doesn't go > through. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron <ron.carroll(at)att.net> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 6:43 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 19 Msgs - > > > > > > > I just bought the 3M #845 for both the 3" & 1" backing. > > I used it on my Original Firestar & now on my Mark-lll. > It > > works GREAT! > > > > Ron > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: orie shackelford <dixieshack(at)webtv.net> > > > > > > His listers. Anyone out there used the 3 M clear book > > binding tape for > > > their aileron gap seals? I did and a friend of mine is > > going to give > > > it a try also. Here's the catch....my supplier says the > > product I used > > > has been replaced with a stretchy version but he can try > > ordering the > > > original if I can give him the original part number > thats > > printed on the > > > front of the box. Does anyone still have the box handy > or > > maybe a > > > better memory than mine and remember the part number?? > I > > want to say > > > 850 but...? > > > > > > Mike Shackelford, hillbilly from WV-(currently in > Florida) > > > > > > > > == > > the > > > > > == > > > > > == > > > > > == > > > > > == > > > > > > > > > > > == > the > > > == > > > == > > > == > > > == > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Wing H-Beams
Date: Nov 08, 2000
Mine were tight, too. By the time I got that far, I was so paranoid about scratches on the aluminum causing stress risers, that I didn't dare push the H-beams in. I took the padded Black & Decker squeeze clamps, and squashed the spar till there was room to just slip the beam into place. No scratches, no problems. Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jung" <jrjung(at)execpc.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing H-Beams > > Ron, > > If you are worried about it, check with Kolb. But it might be correct. .076 is > not much for a 5" tube. I believe mine were snug, but I don't recall > measuring. I just pushed them in and drilled and riveted. > > John Jung > > Ron or Mary Payne wrote: > > > > > Just started to install the first H-beam in a wing spar. One of my H-beams > > is .076 inches larger than the ID of the wing spar. The other H-beam is > > .035 larger than the ID of the wing spar. > > snip............ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Wing H-Beams
Date: Nov 08, 2000
It's not just the New Kolb; mine has several sloppy welds as well, and also, lots of splatter that was powder coated over. Now that it's lived in the driveway for over a year, there's rust spots coming thru the powder coat. Next time, ( if ever ) I'll order it bare, clean it up, sandblast it, and epoxy primer it. I'm very impressed with that primer, and it's repairable. Disappointed Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: <WingManBill2(at)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing H-Beams > > On the subject of quality manufacturing, while at the latest open house down > at the Kolb factory, I had the chance to talk with some of the employees > there, seems there is one welder that likes to smoke pot while at work!! > This might explain some of the mis-welds some of us have discovered. Maybe > the good folks at Kolb should look into screening their employees, we are > talking about a company that manufactures Aircraft kits! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Can i buy a partial kit
Date: Nov 08, 2000
Yes you can. They do it that way so you can start building as you gather the funds for the next partial kit. Denny Rowe -----Original Message----- From: Paul Robinson <kb8wlu(at)tir.com> Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:43 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Can i buy a partial kit > >I noticed on the kolb web site they have prices for partial kits can i >buy just a partial kit? > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: cruise speed
Date: Nov 08, 2000
No nitrous here but I to am scratching my head. I know I had the spacers arranged to put a heck of a twist in the prop and I remember Linda even commented on the aggressive twist in the blades, I'm pretty sure I had full pitch in. I did very limited flying with my IVO because my upright engine and upright gearbox with the free air scoop really limited my cooling with the IVO. The IVO has no bite in front of the scoop in this configuration and so it does not cool nearly as well as a wood prop. You need the gearbox to be mounted opposite of the engine for good free air cooling with the IVO, this is not the case with a wood prop as they have a great amount of pitch near the hub. Anyhow, FYI , I have used a 60-40 Culver and a 66-34 Ritz and these both produce 6200RPM in level flight full throttle. The 66inch IVO and Ritz performed noticably better in top speed than the 60 inch blade, however climb was best with the 66 inch wood blade. I'll have to try the IVO again with only two blades and see whats up. Sorry for wearing out this subject. Denny -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: cruise speed > >My initial response to your post was "OK, I guess a 3:1 box will make >that much difference, even if the prop is 2" longer", but upon reflection, >your remarks about the other engine/box/prop combination stop me cold. >If your single carb 503 over revved with a 66" 2 blade Ivo with a 2.58:1 box, >then something was wrong. >I know my 532 is not making less horsepower than a single carb 503, >and I am using the same setup you had. Something is not adding up. >On my J-6, I had a 66" 2-blade Warp, and when I went from a dual carb >503 to a 532, I first tried it at the same pitch just to see how much faster >it would turn the prop, as an indicator of what to expect for power. >It was over 7,000 before I got to full throttle. >Either you are not getting full pitch out of your prop, or there is some >other variable that needs to be brought in. (Not running your 503 >on nitrous are you?) >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > >> >>Richard, >>A two blade IVO at 68" dia will not absorb a 503s power at a 3-1 ratio, it >>will over rev at full pitch. >>I tried running my single carb 503 on the Loehle with only two blades on my >>66" IVO at 2.58 ratio, and it over reved big time. Of course my setup isn't >>turning a cooling fan which may make a differance. >>My $.02 >>denny >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> >>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >>Date: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 11:22 PM >>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: cruise speed >> >> >>> >>>Why don't you spend ten bucks and get two Ivo prop blocks so that >>>you can take your three blade and convert it to a two blade just to >>>see what it does? I am using a 66" two blade Ivo on my 532 with a >>>2.58:1 gearbox and it is very satisfactory. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BICUM(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 09, 2000
Subject: Ivo/912 Prop Pitch?
Hello List, Getting close to the first test run of the 912 on my Mark III. I checked the archives and couldn't find a lot of details on the initial setting for my 72" three blade IVO. From what I can gather, I think I should shoot for a static WOT of 5200 rpm. Does anyone have details on their initial adjustment (i.e. start with two turns in)? Another little detail I'm struggling with is the throttle stop. The plans and manual are pretty much directed at a 582 with the throttle cable attaching on top. I seem to remember a little washer with a dog ear on it. But I have misplaced it in my shop. Is that what you are supposed to use for a throttle stop. As usual thanks for any and all help on this. John Bickham St. Francisville, LA (we can count votes) Mark III - 912 N308JB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Wing H-Beams
Date: Nov 09, 2000
It's not just the New Kolb; mine has several sloppy welds as well, and also, lots of splatter that was powder coated over. Now that it's lived in the driveway for over a year, there's rust spots coming thru the powder coat. Next time, ( if ever ) I'll order it bare, clean it up, sandblast it, and epoxy primer it. I'm very impressed with that primer, and it's repairable. Disappointed Lar. While I'm not going to assume that everyone does/or doesn't know what a quality weld is I will say this. (And I just hit reply to Big Lar's message I'm NOT pointing at finger at you Lar!) Welding of thin wall 4130 Round tubing is as much black magic as science. You can blow holes in it faster then you can bat an eye. Lumps or irregular looking mounds of weld are quite normal and expected. Anyone could grind the welds back off to make them "pretty" but in the case of thin wall tubing that could cause SERIOUS problems. Welding thicker steel you get what is called penetration (fusing the 2 pieces together) but with this thin wall stuff much more of the strength comes from the EXTRA material that is put into the joint by the wire feed process. As far as the slight variations in the height of the H-sections. I had to look up the decimal inch chart to see exactly how much .076" was but that is barely 1/16 of an inch. In a welded structure like that I would be IMPRESSED if they could hold all of them within +/- 1/16" . All steels vary slightly in there makeup from the mills were they are made and they all will flex, bow,and yes shrink (after cooling) when they are welded (remembering that welding is heating the material , duh right!?) What I'm saying is this , even robotic welding machines will have slight variation in a weld and you can't expect a human to hold the trigger down on a given weld the exact thousandth of a second and move the tip around the thing at the exact speed on every weld. And even if he could then the pieces would still have some slight variation in the finished pieces due to slight variations in the makeup of the alloy in any given piece of 4130 (which affects how much or how little the piece will shrink when heated and cooled. So don't go over your welded Kolb with a micrometer cause you'll just worry yourself to death , and remember your not building a Swiss watch. Jeremy Casey jrcasey(at)mindspring.com P.S. Not trying to hack anyone off , and not trying to make excuses for TNK...if it's too far out then make them replace it , just saying that this isn't machine shop parts this is welding shop parts ...and that's 2 different things. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Wing H-Beams
Date: Nov 09, 2000
Guys, I would like to add that when I built my rear enclosure, I found that the two sides of my fuselage were exactly the same. I cut, drilled, and attached the right side lexan, than removed it and attached it "inside out" to the left side. It fit perfectly so I was able to lay it on the lexan sheet, trace it and transfer the holes directly on to the other side. As I drilled I put a rivet through every other hole attatching the two sides together. The edge sanding was completed with the sides attached together and when they were seporated and fit to the airframe they each fit fine. Considering the various angles that these pieces have to match, I feel it indicates a high level of precision in the Kolb weld shop. However I agree with all who say that if a part does not meet your standards, return it for replacement, after all YOU are responsible for the construction of your aircraft. Good Luck, Denny Rowe Building Mark-3 Western PA -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Casey <jrcasey(at)mindspring.com> Date: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:22 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Wing H-Beams > > >It's not just the New Kolb; mine has several sloppy welds as well, and >also, lots of splatter that was powder coated over. Now that it's lived in >the driveway for over a year, there's rust spots coming thru the powder >coat. Next time, ( if ever ) I'll order it bare, clean it up, sandblast it, >and epoxy primer it. I'm very impressed with that primer, and it's >repairable. Disappointed Lar. > > > >While I'm not going to assume that everyone does/or doesn't know what a >quality weld is I will say this. (And I just hit reply to Big Lar's message >I'm NOT pointing at finger at you Lar!) >Welding of thin wall 4130 Round tubing is as much black magic as science. >You can blow holes in it faster then you can bat an eye. Lumps or irregular >looking mounds of weld are quite normal and expected. Anyone could grind >the welds back off to make them "pretty" but in the case of thin wall tubing >that could cause SERIOUS problems. Welding thicker steel you get what is >called penetration (fusing the 2 pieces together) but with this thin wall >stuff much more of the strength comes from the EXTRA material that is put >into the joint by the wire feed process. >As far as the slight variations in the height of the H-sections. I had to >look up the decimal inch chart to see exactly how much .076" was but that is >barely 1/16 of an inch. In a welded structure like that I would be >IMPRESSED if they could hold all of them within +/- 1/16" . All steels vary >slightly in there makeup from the mills were they are made and they all will >flex, bow,and yes shrink (after cooling) when they are welded (remembering >that welding is heating the material , duh right!?) What I'm saying is this >, even robotic welding machines will have slight variation in a weld and >you can't expect a human to hold the trigger down on a given weld the exact >thousandth of a second and move the tip around the thing at the exact speed >on every weld. And even if he could then the pieces would still have some >slight variation in the finished pieces due to slight variations in the >makeup of the alloy in any given piece of 4130 (which affects how much or >how little the piece will shrink when heated and cooled. >So don't go over your welded Kolb with a micrometer cause you'll just worry >yourself to death , and remember your not building a Swiss watch. > >Jeremy Casey >jrcasey(at)mindspring.com > >P.S. Not trying to hack anyone off , and not trying to make excuses for >TNK...if it's too far out then make them replace it , just saying that this >isn't machine shop parts this is welding shop parts ...and that's 2 >different things. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron" <ron.carroll(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Wing H-Beams
Date: Nov 09, 2000
Larry; The Kolb powder-coat option is fairly pricey, so I had my Original Firestar steel parts all powder-coated at a local shop for less than $200 in 1998. I cleaned the parts and knocked off the spatters myself. There was no sign of rust on any of the parts. The powder-coat is meant to keep the steel parts protected from moisture, so if Lar's parts are showing rust through them, then it was not cleaned, bead-blasted or properly prepared by Kolb before it was coated. High cost / poor job! $200 locally is a good price, but at the Kolb price, epoxy is the way to go. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing H-Beams > > It's not just the New Kolb; mine has several sloppy welds as well, and > also, lots of splatter that was powder coated over. Now that it's lived in > the driveway for over a year, there's rust spots coming thru the powder > coat. Next time, ( if ever ) I'll order it bare, clean it up, sandblast it, > and epoxy primer it. I'm very impressed with that primer, and it's > repairable. Disappointed Lar. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2000
From: Possum <possums(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Wing H-Beams
> >Larry; >The powder-coat is meant to keep the >steel parts protected from moisture, so if Lar's parts are >showing rust through them, then it was not cleaned, >bead-blasted or properly prepared by Kolb before it was >coated. On the other hand nothing last forever, I'm sure after "so many" years everything will "eventually" rust. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jgw300" <jgw300(at)netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Wing H-Beams
Date: Nov 09, 2000
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)mindspring.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 6:12 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Wing H-Beams > > > It's not just the New Kolb; mine has several sloppy welds as well, and You guys are getting me a little concerned about the welding quality of the Xtra. I had a gentleman Tig Weld a fuselage for me in the same type of 4130 and he did unbelievable work. He welds bicycle frames for a living, and his work was just QUALITY. If there is a problem with the cage on the Xtra I swear I will have him work it over. This is me and my wife's life I am talking about. Julian Warren Eugene, Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Wing H-Beams
Date: Nov 09, 2000
Yabut............yabut...........One year, Possum ?? Years and years, yah, but 1 year ?? Actually, the rust showed up long ago, while Vamoose still lived on the porch, and I made comment on it way back then. Ron's message jogged my alleged memory, and I think I told the List long ago, that I had the tail boom done locally for a fraction of the cost, and when the owner of the powder coat facility heard what it was for, he came in himself on a Sunday to do it. ( He's got lots of toys, and really liked the Kolb promotion pics ) Used minimum product, carefully applied for minimum weight, and it's a beautiful job. My main reason for having Kolb powder coat my frame was an unwillingness to go thru what I perceived to be a terrible, finicky job. Since then, I've been introduced to the sand/bead blaster, and the job no longer holds the terrors for me that did. If I thought that Kolb was a shoddy company, I'd have said so long ago. I've defended them many times, in public, and think they're great. That's not to say they're perfect, and we gotta keep them on their toes ! ! ! Right ?? Right ! ! ! I'd like to view my comments as "constructive criticism." And yes............I'm very aware of the problems of the welder, and the difference between good and bad. Been there, seen that. Preacher Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" <ron.carroll(at)att.net> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing H-Beams > > Larry; > > The Kolb powder-coat option is fairly pricey, so I had my > Original Firestar steel parts all powder-coated at a local > shop for less than $200 in 1998. I cleaned the parts and > knocked off the spatters myself. There was no sign of rust > on any of the parts. The powder-coat is meant to keep the > steel parts protected from moisture, so if Lar's parts are > showing rust through them, then it was not cleaned, > bead-blasted or properly prepared by Kolb before it was > coated. > > High cost / poor job! > > $200 locally is a good price, but at the Kolb price, epoxy > is the way to go. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing H-Beams > > > > > > > It's not just the New Kolb; mine has several sloppy > welds as well, and > > also, lots of splatter that was powder coated over. Now > that it's lived in > > the driveway for over a year, there's rust spots coming > thru the powder > > coat. Next time, ( if ever ) I'll order it bare, clean it > up, sandblast it, > > and epoxy primer it. I'm very impressed with that primer, > and it's > > repairable. Disappointed Lar. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Wing H-Beams
Date: Nov 09, 2000
Shoulda read this one, before I sent off my last one. In my message of a few minutes ago, I said they're good, but not perfect, and I meant just that. Who IS perfect ?? Quality in general is very good, and most of the problem with mine is minor, and cosmetic. I do tend to be a little finicky. Look yours over when you get it, and I'll bet it's fine - but not perfect. Picky Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jgw300" <jgw300(at)netzero.net> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:52 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing H-Beams > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)mindspring.com> > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 6:12 AM > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Wing H-Beams > > > > > > > > It's not just the New Kolb; mine has several sloppy welds as well, and > > You guys are getting me a little concerned about the welding quality of > the Xtra. I had a gentleman Tig Weld a fuselage for me in the same type of > 4130 and he did unbelievable work. He welds bicycle frames for a living, > and his work was just QUALITY. If there is a problem with the cage on the > Xtra I swear I will have him work it over. > > This is me and my wife's life I am talking about. > > Julian Warren > Eugene, Oregon > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2000
From: TK <tkrolfe(at)epix.net>
Subject: Welds
I've read the comments about the quality of the welds coming from TNK. I scratch built a FireFly from the basic kit purchased from the original Kolb Co. and yes the welds were not perfect. I did a good bit of clean up on the cage before epoxy primer, mostly from spatter. Unfortunately I have had to order a new fuselage from TNK because of my error in judgment. First I was shocked by the price, then upon receiving it I was shocked by the quality of work. Welds in particular!! Half of the welds were good or acceptable, while the other half was plain poor. I paid a $100 extra to have the motor mount tube and wing attachment cross pieces upgraded to 49 thousandths. My attempt to strengthen these components was defeated by the poor quality of the welds. The main motor mount tube for which I had paid to use thicker wall 4130, is deflected more than 1/8" because of a bad weld on the forward motor mount bracket. They double welded the one side of the bracket which caused heat draw on the tube. I was under the misunderstanding that all aircraft 4130 was to be either gas or TIG welded. I noticed when cleaning up the welds that there were puddles of brown slag around the weld. I asked TNK about this and found out they are using ordinary wire feed welders, not TIG. This would explain the piles of extra weld material and spatter. Yes I was in touch with TNK. They couldn't understand what had happened or how poor some of this work was. They agreed to send me another cage, but not with the additional work I had paid for. I did send a whole roll of pictures to them so they could see, no response! I foolishly decided to keep the cage and try to live with it. Then I decided to do something I thought would really enhance the protection of the steel. I drilled each tube and injected Tube Seal to protect the inside. Wow!!! What a mistake, had tube seal leaking out of 60% of the welds. So bad that I have had to put off priming the cage until it stops leaking and dries up. So while some of you are blindly willing to dismiss WingManBill2's warning, it sure hit a cord with me. I was going to write this message before, but didn't, now sorry. Thought I would come off as just a crouch and get flamed for it. But like WingManbill2 say's, it's our lives at stake. Question to "Thumb" is: Why is it pretty low to alert fellow Kolb List builder/owners to what can be a very serious problem? Blind loyalty?!! Terry K. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Welds
Date: Nov 09, 2000
To Kolb Listers, et al: I have a Twinstar MarkII that was completed back in 1988, and the weld work is like "buttah", couldn't be better or stronger. A previous owner also had an "error" and had done some repair work to the upper cage/overhead area and the difference was quite evident - weld width and depth inconsistent, mucho spatter (painted over) etc. I hope when I order my Mark III sometime in the future, the quality is like the olden days. BTW, anyone cc'ing this thread to TNK? Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: TK <tkrolfe(at)epix.net> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 1:03 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Welds > > I've read the comments about the quality of the welds coming from TNK. > > I scratch built a FireFly from the basic kit purchased from the original > Kolb Co. and yes the welds were not perfect. I did a good bit of clean > up on the cage before epoxy primer, mostly from spatter. > > Unfortunately I have had to order a new fuselage from TNK because of my > error in judgment. First I was shocked by the price, then upon > receiving it I was shocked by the quality of work. Welds in particular!! > Half of the welds were good or acceptable, while the other half was plain > poor. I paid a $100 extra to have the motor mount tube and wing > attachment cross pieces upgraded to 49 thousandths. My attempt to > strengthen these components was defeated by the poor quality of the welds. > The main motor mount tube for which I had paid to use thicker wall 4130, > is deflected more than 1/8" because of a bad weld on the forward motor > mount bracket. They double welded the one side of the bracket which > caused heat draw on the tube. > > I was under the misunderstanding that all aircraft 4130 was to be either > gas or TIG welded. I noticed when cleaning up the welds that there were > puddles of brown slag around the weld. I asked TNK about this and found > out they are using ordinary wire feed welders, not TIG. This would > explain the piles of extra weld material and spatter. > > So while some of you are blindly willing to dismiss WingManBill2's > warning, it sure hit a cord with me. > Terry K. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2000
From: John Jung <jrjung(at)execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Welds
Ed, Don't worry. Norm Labhart monitors this list. John Jung Ed Chmielewski wrote: snip... > BTW, anyone cc'ing this thread to TNK? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Facet pump mounting
Date: Nov 09, 2000
Facet pump users. Is it OK to mount the Facet electric pump inverted? Also will the FAA examiner allow me to hang the small ACS gasculator from a thick wall 1/8" close nipple threaded into the Facet pump with the pumps two mounting tabs as the only mounting brackets for the two units? It seems plenty strong to me, and the gasculator has no other place to hang it from besides the threaded fittings. I am planning on routing the fuel from the tanks, to a brass tee, than the electric pump, followed by the gasculator, purolater filter than the impulse pump. Is there any problem with this idea of going through the Facet pump before the gasculator? Where is Tony Bingelis when I need him? Thanks, Denny Mark-3 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 09, 2000
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 11/08/00 message of Wed,
8 Nov... << Ya can't commit something to memory ifya ain't got one. p.s.------Hi George R38 Hillbilly Mike from West Virginia FSII, BRS, EIS, 68" 3-blade Powerfin >> umwitchaondamemryting....andashfodogonnnnsho!....that's the only redneck...r sumpthin that I know. Mike....I didn't see you at the TNK...wassup GeoR38 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2000
Subject: Re: Another Kolb Flys
From: Bruce L Borg <blborg(at)juno.com>
HI Mel Some weather huh? Getting any taxi time in? Got a deer last friday, a nice doe and got it in the freezer. Now after a buck but seeing no big ones. Hope to see you saturday. Bruce ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2000
Subject: Re: Welds
From: ul15rhb(at)juno.com
Guys, I have an Original FireStar (#49) from the old Kolb Company and I have received compliments on the excellent welding done by them from some top-notch welders. All this was done for a complete kit price of $4995. Quality, integrity, and accuracy will last a long time. Hats off to you Homer Kolb, Dennis Souder, and your manufacturing team for doing a great job on my plane. Ralph Burlingame Original FireStar, 14 years later and still flying on a regular basis > > I've read the comments about the quality of the welds coming from > TNK. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WingManBill2(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 10, 2000
Subject: Re: Welds
Thanks Terry, Safety was the only reason for my post, I to have had to send a part or two back that was totally un-usable due to mis-welds. Norm and TNK is aware of the situation I spoke of and is gonna take care of things, this was not a false statement I made, and the safety of all us Kolbers was my only concern. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2000
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org>
Subject: Re: Facet pump mounting
I have my Facet pump inverted, and it works fine. No bets on the mounting of the gascolator. No way you can arrange a bracket to help support the thing? Don't worry about having the Facet before the gascolator. I would feel sure that the Facet will pump water OK. And Tony Bingelis is at 8509 Greenflint Lane Austin Texas 512-345-1537 You're Welcome Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >Facet pump users. >Is it OK to mount the Facet electric pump inverted? >Also will the FAA examiner allow me to hang the small ACS gasculator from a >thick wall 1/8" close nipple threaded into the Facet pump with the pumps two >mounting tabs as the only mounting brackets for the two units? It seems >plenty strong to me, and the gasculator has no other place to hang it from >besides the threaded fittings. > I am planning on routing the fuel from the tanks, to a brass tee, than the >electric pump, followed by the gasculator, purolater filter than the impulse >pump. >Is there any problem with this idea of going through the Facet pump before >the gasculator? >Where is Tony Bingelis when I need him? >Thanks, >Denny Mark-3 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BICUM(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 10, 2000
Subject: Re: Panel power jack for hand-helds . . .
Bob, I took your advice and am making my own power cables using the radio shack connnetors. I looked through the articles on your website but didn't see one on this subject specifically. Thought you might have one since you referred to the picture. I know I may sound stupid but..... Which lead is +DC on a cigarette lighter plug? I think the center contact is +DC and the outside contacts are -DC (ground). I mentioned earlier that I am electronically illeterate (sp). I know DC stuff has a defined current flow direction. I don't want to smoke my icom or GPS just cause I hooked the wires up backwards. NEW SUBJECT: I am still waiting for the computer grade capacitor that I ordered on Oct. 28. It was supposed to be shipped on Monday. I hope it will be here today (Friday). Any help would be appreciated, John Bickham St. Francisville, LA Mark III -912 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Mark 3 nosecone
Date: Nov 10, 2000
Since we have been listing our gripes with our kits lately, here is the only one I can think of. I have roughly a 1992-93 vintage Mark 3 kit, bought it three years ago and only recently got down to the buisness of getting it done. While trying to install the pilot side gull wing door lexan yesterday, I found that the front door frame bow on the left side had to be shortened 3/4" to allow the door frame to fit the same as the right door. Finally found the problem to be that the nose cone is not symetrical, ie looking at the cone from the seated position you can see that the cone has a longer deeper curve on the right, and a shallower, hence shorter curve on the left. This will be hard to see in the finished product and its no big deal, but I'll bet other Mk-3 builders have noticed this also as the cones are surely made from the same plug. Anyway, if I make the Fly-in with my bird next year, I expect you all to forget that I admitted I have a crooked plane. :-) Gotta go get some building done. Denny ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert" <robertsjunk(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: quality manufacturing
Date: Nov 10, 2000
There has been some discussion regarding the quality of welded parts being produced by TNK. This hits me with mixed feelings. On one hand, this is the quality of my plane we are talking about! I too have had a problem with welded parts, the left inboard spar in particular. It was welded such that the end ring and the flat tab were not at right angles. The replacement that was sent had the exact same problem, indicative of a jig misalignment. Now all this talk about poor welds gives me concern. I am preparing to order Kit #2 which obviously contains the welded steel cage! Damn, this is my life we are talking about, no room for error! On the other hand, I have owned a small manufacturing company similar to the size of TNK. I understand that good help is HARD to find. Here is what I learned from my experience: To find a laborer who has the perception to see a problem and to act on it and is willing to do only basic labor for a living is IMPOSSIBLE. If a worker has enough brains to catch problems, they never stay as an assembler or welder for very long, they get better jobs. So what you end up with for basic laborers are drones. They don't do any more than what you tell them, and sometimes not even that. At the same time, your customers want their products, don't care about your problems, and are unhappy about the price increase you just made. The only path that works is that we as customers understand TNK's situation and are patient. A good weld can still look like crap and a bad weld can sometimes look good. At the same time, TNK should also understand that as customers, we demand acceptable product. I think they do, if they didn't, they would be out of business in a heartbeat. As tight knit as this industry is, a bad reputation will kill you. Robert Haines SlingShot St Louis, MO - Murphysboro, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter Volum" <pvolum(at)etsmiami.com>
Subject: Mark 3 nosecone
Date: Nov 10, 2000
Denny, A friend who built a Mk III also received an asymmetrical nosecone with his kit (during the old Kolb days). One short phone call later they sent him a new (symmetrical) one. They didn't even want the old one back. After such a long time and new ownership I would imagine your chances of getting a replacement are slim, but... you could ask. PV -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Denny Rowe Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:04 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Mark 3 nosecone Since we have been listing our gripes with our kits lately, here is the only one I can think of. I have roughly a 1992-93 vintage Mark 3 kit, bought it three years ago and only recently got down to the buisness of getting it done. While trying to install the pilot side gull wing door lexan yesterday, I found that the front door frame bow on the left side had to be shortened 3/4" to allow the door frame to fit the same as the right door. Finally found the problem to be that the nose cone is not symetrical, ie looking at the cone from the seated position you can see that the cone has a longer deeper curve on the right, and a shallower, hence shorter curve on the left. This will be hard to see in the finished product and its no big deal, but I'll bet other Mk-3 builders have noticed this also as the cones are surely made from the same plug. Anyway, if I make the Fly-in with my bird next year, I expect you all to forget that I admitted I have a crooked plane. :-) Gotta go get some building done. Denny ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Gasculator mounting
Date: Nov 10, 2000
Thanks to all who sent me advice on mounting my fuel sump. I promise that this is my last question on the subject. Is it acceptable to have the sump drain inside the aircraft, or does it have to protrude out the bottom? I am currently planning on mounting my Facet pump and gasculator on the under side of the plate the fuel tanks sit on. The fuel drain valve would be reached from the passenger side behind the seat. I just want to be sure the inspector won't shoot this arrangement down. THanks Denny ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vince Nicely" <vincenicely(at)chartertn.net>
Subject: Re: cruise speed
Date: Nov 10, 2000
Hi Bill, I recently changed from a 66" GSC ground adjustable 3 blade prop to and Ivo 2 blade 68". It is on a Firestar II with Rotax 503 DCDI. I was looking for a better combination of climb and cruise performance. Before buying the IVO, I ran the GSC at 66", cut it to 60" and then to 56". Each time, I rebalance and adjusted the angle for best performance. Shortening the 3 blade GSC made it worse in that it climbed slower for a given cruise speed. The IVO with 2 blades is a much better combination of climb and cruise than the GSC ever was. It is the quick adjust set almost exactly in the middle of travel on the adjust. With a 700-750# total weight it climbs about 650 ft/min over the speed range of 38 to 50 mph CAS and at 75 mph CAS will still climb at 450 ft/min. Obviously, I can cruise at any speed where the Firestar II will not self destruct. Hope this helps. Vince Nicely ----- Original Message ----- From: Annamarie <vincentam(at)chartermi.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:40 PM Subject: Kolb-List: cruise speed > > The Kolb Firestar advertises a cruise speed of 70 MPH (at 75% power); I > do not come near this speed. My prop is set at 6,200 RPM on take off. I > am running a Rotax 503, with a "C" gear box with a 3:1 gear ratio, and a > 3 blade 68 inch Ivo Prop. > Would it be better to run a 2 blade Ivo or would it be better to use a > smaller diameter 3 blade; to get more cruise and yet keep some of my > great climb. > > Bill Vincent > Firestar II > Quinnesec, Michigan > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2000
From: "Robert F. Bean" <rfbean(at)rochester.infi.net>
Subject: pipes
Kolbers, B Haines is right about "good looking being bad and ugly ok----The gold standard is true tungsten arc TIG, but as many years of airplane building has proven, not necessary. After that oxy-acetylene provides an equally good lookin weld with the only weakness being a possible cold weld with poor penetration. Gas shielded wire feed welds are not as pretty, but extremely strong due to the high nickel content of the wire. ----At the bottom of the list is the flux core wire feeder-- ugly, strong and captured chunks of flux leading to the rust spot popouts thru a paint overcoat. ---no need for tube seal, the traditional ac rust preventative is boiled linseed oil poured in the tube--works great and cheap -BB (I finally got my bent wing dragged into my shop to slice open) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2000
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org>
Subject: Re: Gascolator mounting
Outside is "airplane-y" & standard, inside is not kosher. The gascolator drain valve is just normal plumbing thread. Unscrew the drain valve, go to Lowes or Home Depot with the valve, match it up with a couple of the appropriate fittings and a length of copper tubing so that you can make the drain valve protrude out the bottom of the airplane. When I did mine, I soldered a little flat piece of brass plate to the lower fitting, drilled a couple 1/8" holes in it and riveted it to the lower fabric so that it won't wander around. It doesn't need to be structural at that point, it just needs to be still. Mine comes out near the gear leg housing, just pick a convenient spot that suits you and go for it. Make sure, when you screw the drain valve into the lower fitting, that the little valve will push in full length & not foul the fitting. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >Thanks to all who sent me advice on mounting my fuel sump. >I promise that this is my last question on the subject. >Is it acceptable to have the sump drain inside the aircraft, or does it have >to protrude out the bottom? >I am currently planning on mounting my Facet pump and gasculator on the >under side of the plate the fuel tanks sit on. The fuel drain valve would >be reached from the passenger side behind the seat. >I just want to be sure the inspector won't shoot this arrangement down. >THanks >Denny > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ULDAD(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 10, 2000
Subject: Re: Welds
In a message dated 11/09/00 3:09:24 PM Central Standard Time, tkrolfe(at)epix.net writes: << So bad that I have had to put off priming the cage until it stops leaking and dries up. >> My experience with tube seal is that it won't dry up or stop leaking out. Bill Griffin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2000
From: ronoy <ronoy(at)shentel.net>
Subject: Re: pipe oil
re: *tube oil*--BB has it correct, use boiled linseed oil----only don't go and boil up a bunch of linseed oil!!! It comes already boiled, says so on the can. Any hardware has it. I've used it before the fancy (=expensive) stuff came around. I also use it in the grouting cement for stained glass work. bn http://members.nbci.com/ronoyer ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Olendorf" <solendor(at)nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: cruise speed
Date: Nov 10, 2000
----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: cruise speed > > No nitrous here but I to am scratching my head. > I know I had the spacers arranged to put a heck of a twist in the prop and I > remember Linda even commented on the aggressive twist in the blades, I'm > pretty sure I had full pitch in. --snip-- I think this may be the culprit. I seem to remember that too much pitch can stall the prop and it won't bite. Therefore if will overrev. Set the pitch to a known setting and adjust in small increments. I do not have an adjustable prop just repeating stuff I've read. Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 377 Schenectady, NY http://home.nycap.rr.com/firestar/ "Reality is for those who lack imagination" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Gascolator mounting
Date: Nov 11, 2000
Richard, I asked a friend who is an AI and he said that the drain has to be outside the aircraft. I picked up a 3" pipe nipple and a collar for it this morning. Denny -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> Date: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:25 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gascolator mounting > >Outside is "airplane-y" & standard, inside is not kosher. >The gascolator drain valve is just normal plumbing thread. Unscrew the >drain valve, go to Lowes or Home Depot with the valve, match it up with >a couple of the appropriate fittings and a length of copper tubing so that >you can make the drain valve protrude out the bottom of the airplane. >When I did mine, I soldered a little flat piece of brass plate to the lower >fitting, drilled a couple 1/8" holes in it and riveted it to the lower >fabric so that >it won't wander around. It doesn't need to be structural at that point, it >just >needs to be still. Mine comes out near the gear leg housing, just pick >a convenient spot that suits you and go for it. >Make sure, when you screw the drain valve into the lower fitting, that the >little valve will push in full length & not foul the fitting. >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >> >>Thanks to all who sent me advice on mounting my fuel sump. >>I promise that this is my last question on the subject. >>Is it acceptable to have the sump drain inside the aircraft, or does it have >>to protrude out the bottom? >>I am currently planning on mounting my Facet pump and gasculator on the >>under side of the plate the fuel tanks sit on. The fuel drain valve would >>be reached from the passenger side behind the seat. >>I just want to be sure the inspector won't shoot this arrangement down. >>THanks >>Denny >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Mark 3 nosecone
Date: Nov 11, 2000
I think I'll just eat this one, would have to much rework in the doors if I changed the cone now. Besides, I am the secound owner of the kit and 9 years is well past the statute of limitations. REMEMBER WHEN YOU LOOK AT MY PLANE--- IT IS NOT CROOKED :-) Denny -----Original Message----- From: Peter Volum <pvolum(at)etsmiami.com> Date: Friday, November 10, 2000 11:52 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mark 3 nosecone > >Denny, A friend who built a Mk III also received an asymmetrical nosecone >with his kit (during the old Kolb days). One short phone call later they >sent him a new (symmetrical) one. They didn't even want the old one back. >After such a long time and new ownership I would imagine your chances of >getting a replacement are slim, but... you could ask. > >PV > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Denny Rowe >Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:04 AM >To: kolb-list >Subject: Kolb-List: Mark 3 nosecone > > >Since we have been listing our gripes with our kits lately, here is the only >one I can think of. >I have roughly a 1992-93 vintage Mark 3 kit, bought it three years ago and >only recently got down to the buisness of getting it done. >While trying to install the pilot side gull wing door lexan yesterday, I >found that the front door frame bow on the left side had to be shortened >3/4" to allow the door frame to fit the same as the right door. Finally >found the problem to be that the nose cone is not symetrical, ie looking at >the cone from the seated position you can see that the cone has a longer >deeper curve on the right, and a shallower, hence shorter curve on the left. >This will be hard to see in the finished product and its no big deal, but >I'll bet other Mk-3 builders have noticed this also as the cones are surely >made from the same plug. >Anyway, if I make the Fly-in with my bird next year, I expect you all to >forget that I admitted I have a crooked plane. :-) >Gotta go get some building done. >Denny > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Mark 3 nosecone
Date: Nov 11, 2000
...............and he had a crooked sixpence, and he flew a crooked mile....................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 7:03 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Mark 3 nosecone > > > Anyway, if I make the Fly-in with my bird next year, I expect you all to > forget that I admitted I have a crooked plane. :-) > Gotta go get some building done. > Denny > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2000
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2000
From: Johann.G.Johannsson(at)matronics.com
Subject: Ivo prop size?
Hi Kolb listers. I have been reading the mail from you regarding the IVO pitch setting and speeds. I have noticed that some are using 66-68" Ivo props two blade or three blade. My three blade prop is 62" on a Rotax 503 DCDI and it is ground adjusted to turn at 6350rpm on max climout. Can the size of the prop be two small, and could that result in creating the low vibration ear drumming I have been experiencing? If this size three blade prop is changed to two blade with the proper spacers, would I get enough pitch out of it? Hope you can help. Best regards, Johann G. Iceland. Firestar II 50 hrs.flying. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2000
From: John.Jung(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Ivo prop size?
Johann, I believe that would work. I know of one Firestar II 503 with a 64" two blade IVO, and his plane performs very well. Add two little spacers and you can find out for yourself. I didn't have any "drumbing" on my three blade 63" IVO. My 68" two blade is easier on my ears, but not quieter. I like the lower frequency sound of a two blade. Performance is about the same. John Jung Firestar II N6163J SE Wisconsin Johann.G.Johannsson(at)matronics.com wrote: > > Hi Kolb listers. > > I have been reading the mail from you regarding the IVO pitch setting > and speeds. > I have noticed that some are using 66-68" Ivo props two blade or three > blade. My three blade prop is 62" on a Rotax 503 DCDI and it is ground > adjusted to turn at 6350rpm on max climout. > Can the size of the prop be two small, and could that result in creating > the low vibration ear drumming I have been experiencing? > If this size three blade prop is changed to two blade with the proper > spacers, would I get enough pitch out of it? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2000
From: Jack.&.Louise.Hart(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Ivo prop size?
I had a similar ear druming problem. I changed from a three blade to a two blade IVO prop and the druming went away. Later I was checking the rear wing pivot swivels and pins and discovered the swivel joint was loose. Also I noticed that both inboard aluminum aileron piano hinges were showing wear. This is a sign of vibration. I disassembled and filed the swivels to get them flat, greased everything and put them back together. The plane is much quieter. I will not be going back to the three blade prop. The lower inertia two blade is doing just fine and it is much easier on the 447 gear box. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO > >Hi Kolb listers. > >I have been reading the mail from you regarding the IVO pitch setting >and speeds. >I have noticed that some are using 66-68" Ivo props two blade or three >blade. My three blade prop is 62" on a Rotax 503 DCDI and it is ground >adjusted to turn at 6350rpm on max climout. >Can the size of the prop be two small, and could that result in creating >the low vibration ear drumming I have been experiencing? >If this size three blade prop is changed to two blade with the proper >spacers, would I get enough pitch out of it? > >Hope you can help. > >Best regards, >Johann G. >Iceland. >Firestar II >50 hrs.flying. > > Jack & Louise Hart jbhart(at)ldd.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jrodebush"@matronics.com
Subject: H-Sections
Date: Nov 12, 2000
Just finished installing the H-sections in my wing spars & want to pass on some comments. The new Mark III Extra manual from TNK has the wrong H-section length and rivet distance. I called them and they confirmed that the rivets should extend out to the ends of the H-section tubes. Also, I had some alignment problems and then realized that the tubes and cross bar were not parallel or perpendicular to each other. I made a block jig on the table & with some clamps was able to work everything in line. After that the fit was very good and the predrilled holes even lined up. Rody in Cincinnati ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar"@matronics.com
Subject: Re: H-Sections
Date: Nov 12, 2000
Isn't that a great feeling, when all those holes line up ?? I remember holding my breath as I slid the H-beams into place, and the big grin when everything matched. Big Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 7:17 AM Subject: Kolb-List: H-Sections > > > Just finished installing the H-sections in my wing spars & want to pass on > some comments. The new Mark III Extra manual from TNK has the wrong > H-section length and rivet distance. I called them and they confirmed that > the rivets should extend out to the ends of the H-section tubes. Also, I ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2000
From: Michael.Peer(at)matronics.com
Subject: MK-III Project for sale
Can't stand it any longer! I will sell my entire project including $1500 worth of Rotax tools (like new) for $11,000! I can't stand to see it just sit there but a career change has taken all of my time. Included: 0' Time 582 with C box, 3.47:1, Rotax electric start,intake silencer, Jet Hot exhaust. 0'Time Warp Drive 71" 3 blade w/ss leading edge. New tail boom, tail feathers, fittings, etc. Full Lotus Floats in good condition. BRS Chute. Instruments, Helmets, intercom, etc, etc, etc. When finished it should be worth somewhere in the low 20's. This a/c had flown the year before I bought it. IT HAS NO DAMAGE HISTORY! E-mail quick503(at)yahoo.com or call @ (337) 367-8725 Thanks, Mike Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2000
From: Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Subject: Re: MK-III Project for sale
> >Can't stand it any longer! I will sell my entire >project including $1500 worth of Rotax tools (like >new) for $11,000! Okay Paul if you want a good deal on a MK111 this is it. Beg borrow or find the extra money and get it you won't be sorry. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2000
From: "Steven S. Green" <GREENSS(at)Bowater.com>
A1-type: MAIL With the recent discussion on prop sizing I dug up a formula for determining propeller diameter. I think I have it in characters that will display correctly on the list so here goes. Dia=((BHP/((RPM 2)*MPH*53.5)) .25)*10000 BHP = Brake horsepower RPM = Propeller RPM MPH = Miles per hour Dia = Propeller diameter in inches This formula should give a starting point for selecting the diameter of your propeller. If you have a programmable calculator or a spread sheet on your computer or just love algebra you can change the variables for different speeds and diameters and quickly see the results. I have a 582 with a 2.62:1 reduction, and a 72" propeller. Using the above formula gives the following results: BHP = 65 RPM = 2595 MPH = 67 Prop dia = 72" The MPH is not top speed but the most efficient speed for that diameter. I would be interested in hearing how this formula compares to some of your applications. On the subject of fuel hose I am using German fuel hose, it is the same type hose that comes on the Rotax oil injection system but I am using 7mm for the fuel lines. I have used this on dunebuggies where it is exposed to UV and it has held up very well over 10 - 15 years. I had to pay $2.50 per foot for it at the Import automotive parts place. Hey Biglar your VW will run better if you use German hose on it! Steven Green East Tennessee N58SG PS here is another attempt to display the formula. _________________ / BHP _4 /------------------ X 10,000 \/ RPM 2 x MPH x 53.5 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re:
Date: Nov 13, 2000
I cuss at it in Swedish, Chinese, and Spanish. Think that might help ?? For those semi-literate dummies, like me, could you spell it out a bit more ?? Is it RPM times 2, or divided by 2 ?? MPH times, or divided by 53.5 ?? I can handle the formula, but I'm not sure what you're using which symbol for. Thanks. Dummy Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven S. Green" <GREENSS(at)Bowater.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 4:58 AM > > With the recent discussion on prop sizing I dug up a formula for > determining propeller diameter. I think I have it in characters that > will display correctly on the list so here goes. > > Dia=((BHP/((RPM 2)*MPH*53.5)) .25)*10000 > > BHP = Brake horsepower > RPM = Propeller ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2000
From: Bonnie Juneau <bjuneau(at)megagate.com>
Subject: Steel Landing Gear
Hey Kolbers: Anyone on the list heard any news from TNK about the availability of tapered spring steel landing gear for the Firestar II Thanks Ron Juneau Firestar II Fond de Culotte ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2000
From: John Jung <jrjung(at)execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Steel Landing Gear
Ron, I have been one that sees a need for a slightly stronger gear on the Firestar II and I have talked to TNK about it. They don't see the need, and they are very expensive. So it didn't look like they were going to make them available. More recently, I have changed my mind and I don't think that I would buy them if they were available. Consider bent aluminum leg like a speeding ticket. If you make a bad landing, the plane will give you a $40. ticket, plus 30 minutes of hard labor, so that you practice and take more care. By doing that, one should avoid getting so sloppy as to do structural damage. That said, I would still like to see a little less taper so that the area at the axle would be stronger. I think that the Firestar II structure could take it and still be protected by legs that would bend before it did. John Jung Firestar II N6163J SE Wisconsin Ron Juneau wrote: > > Hey Kolbers: > Anyone on the list heard any news from TNK about the > availability of tapered spring steel landing gear for the Firestar II ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net>
Subject: Re: Steel Landing Gear
Date: Nov 13, 2000
I was wondering about the gear design also. I don't think stronger gear legs are advisable as they may result in damage somewhere else that could be more expensive. I was wondering about spring steel legs like the ones that used to be on the Cessna tail draggers. If you made a bad landing, these things would just bounce you back up into the air so you could try again until you got it right. After flying these things myself and being a flight instructor for the University of Illinois in the late 1950's using these planes, I never saw one damaged. Ron Payne Gilbertsville, Ky. Building FireStar II ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jung" <jrjung(at)execpc.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Steel Landing Gear > > Ron, > > I have been one that sees a need for a slightly stronger gear on the > Firestar II and I have talked to TNK --- > > John Jung > Firestar II N6163J > SE Wisconsin > > Ron Juneau wrote: > > > > > Hey Kolbers: > > Anyone on the list heard any news from TNK about the > > availability of tapered spring steel landing gear for the Firestar II > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Nov 13, 2000
Subject: New List MIME/HTML/Enclosure Filter Implemented...
Dear Listers, With the pervasiveness of email applications using HTML (web formatting) and MIME encoding such as AOL 6.0, Netscape, Eudora and others it was clear that I needed to come up with an improved method for limiting how messages posted to the various Lists was handled. As of today, November 13 2000 you should be able to configure your email program any way you like - with or without special formatting - and your message will still be accepted my the Matronics system. Also, if you include any sort of enclosure data, your message will also still be accepted instead of bounced back. But wait, it gets even better! Everything except for the plain text will be automatically stripped from the incoming post including any HTML, MIME, and/or enclosure data prior to redistribution. This should serve to both ease the configuration burden on the many users, and to increase the readability of both the posted messages and the archives. I had a few 'bugs' with the filter on Sunday and Monday morning, so if you received a few messages that seemed "odd", than this was probably why. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft Great minds discuss ideas, Average minds discuss events, Small minds discuss people... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Nov 13, 2000
Subject: 2000 List Contributions - Only 8% So Far...
Dear Listers, As of today, 11/13/00 only about 8% of the total list members have made a contribution in 2000 to support the Email Lists. Compared to previous years, this is a very low percentage for this point in the Fund Raiser. If you enjoy the various Lists here on the Matronics servers as well as the high speed access to the Archives and Search Engine, won't you consider making a contribution to support the continued operation and upkeep? Maintenance of these Lists represents a sizeable investment on my part both in terms of time and personal finances and the contributions from the List members goes a long way towards breaking even on the endeavor. Remember that on December 1st I will be posting a Contributors List that will include the names of everyone that has made a contribution in 2000. Won't you assure that your name will be on that list and make a contribution today? You can use either your Credit Card via a Secure, SSL website or by Personal Check. http://www.matronics.com/contribution or c/o Matt Dralle Matronics P.O. Box 347 Livermore, CA 94551 Once again, I would like to thank everyone that has made a contribution so far! You truly make these Lists possible! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft Great minds discuss ideas, Average minds discuss events, Small minds discuss people... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: Steel landing gear
Date: Nov 13, 2000
Listers: I ordered steel landing gear for my Mark 3 several weeks ago. Didn't get them, called this morning and seems there is a problem and they are redesigning, or reworking them and it will be 6 to 8 weeks before delivery. Don't know the exact problem with the ones sold, or they just are designing a better one. Anyway, I'm still landing on aluminum, carefully. Dallas Shepherd Norfork, Arkansas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Batteries
Date: Nov 13, 2000
Picking up the battery thread again: Has anyone else seen the ad in the new KitPlanes, Dec. 2000, page 51 ?? It's called the "X static BATCAP". It's an On Board, 12 volt battery for cranking ultralight aircraft. 300 amps cranking power; less than 3" square. Takes up less space in tight quarters. Sounds real interesting, if true. What does 300 amps cranking power translate out to ?? Big Lar. Let's see how the new formatting handles this. Hope it leaves the Bold Face in, but I doubt it. Lar. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Batteries
Date: Nov 13, 2000
Lar, I saw the add and e-maied them to get the scoop. Very nice folks, they responded within an hour. turns oot that the battery needed for the bigger two strokes is 5.5lbs and costs $199.00 OUCH! I've been keeping my eyes peeled for a better deal in light weight batteries and if I see anything that tops Richard Swiderskys battery thats $100.00, I'll mention it on the list. Just a note, the Zanzottera 202 engine package includes a 7.7 lb battery, thats pretty light and its cool that they throw it in with the engine. Speaking of engines, I'll drop Luray a note and check if his 690L is working out for him. Later, Denny -----Original Message----- From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Date: Monday, November 13, 2000 10:21 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Batteries > >Picking up the battery thread again: Has anyone else seen the ad in the >new KitPlanes, Dec. 2000, page 51 ?? It's called the "X static BATCAP". > It's an On Board, 12 volt battery for cranking ultralight aircraft. >300 amps cranking power; less than 3" square. Takes up less space in >tight quarters. Sounds real interesting, if true. What does 300 amps >cranking power translate out to ?? Big Lar. Let's >see how the new formatting handles this. Hope it leaves the Bold Face >in, but I doubt it. Lar. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: HTML
Date: Nov 13, 2000
Looks like Matt was right - as usual. I sent this message in HTML, and added some boldface, and it went thru, where it wouldn't before, but it stripped the boldface off - as advertised. One day, maybe.................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 6:46 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Batteries > > Picking up the battery thread again: Has anyone else seen the ad in the > new KitPlanes, Dec. 2000, page 51 ?? It's called the "X static BATCAP". > It's an On Board, 12 volt battery for cranking ultralight aircraft. > 300 amps cranking power; less than 3" square. Takes up less space in > tight quarters. Sounds real interesting, if true. What does 300 amps > cranking power translate out to ?? Big Lar. Let's > see how the new formatting handles this. Hope it leaves the Bold Face > in, but I doubt it. Lar. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net>
Subject: Tires
Date: Nov 14, 2000
Just had to pass this on. Purchased some "aero trainer" tires for my firestar II. These thing are great! No problem with balancing and they track very straight. The reason I mention this is that everyone wants about $63.00 each for these, but when I called Aircraft Spruce, they told me $27.95! What a deal. Real airplane tires for about what we pay for lawn tractor tires. One caveat, they are tall, at 17 inches, but narrower that most tundra types. Get them before they raise the price. Dave Rains FireStar II El Paso Republic of Texas. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 14, 2000
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Tires
Dave and Gang: What size and how much do they weigh? Are they listed in Acft Spruce Catalog or on their web site? Thanks, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ULDAD(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 14, 2000
Subject: Re: Tires
John, I've got AeroTrainers on the Corben. Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dale Seitzer <dale(at)gmada.com>
Subject: Batteries
Date: Nov 14, 2000
Just a note, the Zanzottera 202 engine package includes a 7.7 lb battery, thats pretty light and its cool that they throw it in with the engine. Speaking of engines, I'll drop Luray a note and check if his 690L is working out for him. Later, Denny [] In the new Experimenter Magazine the Thunder Gull that was reviewed flys an MZ engine. The designer likes the engine because it is light and can be under 254 lbs with a 45 hp. engine. I believe engines are constantly being changed in subtle ways--the newer engine are better--I have an old points ignition 447 and when it needs rebuilding I want a new engine with CDI. Dale ________________________________________________________________________________
From: gerken(at)us.ibm.com
Date: Nov 14, 2000
Subject: Prop calc, redrive?
>With the recent discussion on prop sizing I dug up a formula for >determining propeller diameter. I think I have it in characters that >will display correctly on the list so here goes. >Dia=((BHP/((RPM 2)*MPH*53.5)) .25)*10000 >BHP = Brake horsepower >RPM = Propeller RPM >MPH = Miles per hour >Dia = Propeller diameter in inches >This formula should give a starting point for selecting the diameter of >your propeller. If you have a programmable calculator or a spread sheet >on your computer or just love algebra you can change the variables for >different speeds and diameters and quickly see the results. >I have a 582 with a 2.62:1 reduction, and a 72" propeller. >Using the above formula gives the following results: Steven, I have seen this formula before, and have wondered how the redrive ratio figures into it. I am not sure but something is changing when you "gear down" 2.62:1 times. It is probably the torque that is amplified, horsepower is unchanged (except for gearbox inefficiency). So don't we somehow need to factor in the reduction? Someone help me understand this, if you can... Jim Gerken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Prop calc, redrive?
Date: Nov 14, 2000
I'm not Steven but I'll take a crack at it... The formula uses PROPELLER RPM so this makes the reduction ratio irrelevant. Remember that this formula is for computing prop size/pitch/etc...it doesn't care what is turning it. All it wants to know is how many horsepower the engine is putting out at the target propeller RPM. Now when you start discussing engines then yes the redrive is a TORQUE Multiplier. So you would look at the engine hp/torque curve (in the manuals/CPS book, etc.) and look at the RPM you want to run then divide by the Reduction ratio to get the prop RPM and multiply the given torque value at the desired RPM to get actual torque at the prop shaft (minus gearbox friction losses as you stated...and who knows what that is in actuality.) Jeremy Casey jrcasey(at)mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of gerken(at)us.ibm.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Prop calc, redrive? >With the recent discussion on prop sizing I dug up a formula for >determining propeller diameter. I think I have it in characters that >will display correctly on the list so here goes. >Dia=((BHP/((RPM 2)*MPH*53.5)) .25)*10000 >BHP = Brake horsepower >RPM = Propeller RPM >MPH = Miles per hour >Dia = Propeller diameter in inches >This formula should give a starting point for selecting the diameter of >your propeller. If you have a programmable calculator or a spread sheet >on your computer or just love algebra you can change the variables for >different speeds and diameters and quickly see the results. >I have a 582 with a 2.62:1 reduction, and a 72" propeller. >Using the above formula gives the following results: Steven, I have seen this formula before, and have wondered how the redrive ratio figures into it. I am not sure but something is changing when you "gear down" 2.62:1 times. It is probably the torque that is amplified, horsepower is unchanged (except for gearbox inefficiency). So don't we somehow need to factor in the reduction? Someone help me understand this, if you can... Jim Gerken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Fatality
Date: Nov 14, 2000
Kolbers, Just got the bad news that another brother in Kolb has been taken from us. Dick Miller from NY, the founder of UL Club 66 in southern NY. It was a medical related death that resulted in a high angle crash, and no fault of the aircraft. No attempt was made to deploy the BRS. I did not know Mr Miller, but I received this news from a Minimax pilot friend of Mr Millers named George Smith. If you have any questions you can reach Mr Smith at creekhollow(at)in4web.com My deepest sympathy and prayers go out to Mr Millers family and friends. Denny Rowe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 14, 2000
From: Jim Ivey <jim(at)jimivey.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New List MIME/HTML/Enclosure Filter Implemented...
Everything you need to know can be found at the following url: http://www.matronics.com/contribution/ I just used the secure credit-card option. There is also a snail-mail address for you old-fashioned types (i.e. back in the good old days when folks wouldn't abscond with your credit card info) ;) Jim Ivey N46YK Matt Dralle wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) > > Dear Listers, > > With the pervasiveness of email applications using HTML (web formatting) > and MIME encoding such as AOL 6.0, Netscape, Eudora and others it was > clear that I needed to come up with an improved method for limiting how > messages posted to the various Lists was handled. > > As of today, November 13 2000 you should be able to configure your email > program any way you like - with or without special formatting - and your > message will still be accepted my the Matronics system. Also, if you > include any sort of enclosure data, your message will also still be > accepted instead of bounced back. > > But wait, it gets even better! Everything except for the plain text > will be automatically stripped from the incoming post including any > HTML, MIME, and/or enclosure data prior to redistribution. This should > serve to both ease the configuration burden on the many users, and to > increase the readability of both the posted messages and the archives. > > I had a few 'bugs' with the filter on Sunday and Monday morning, so if > you received a few messages that seemed "odd", than this was probably > why. > > Best regards, > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Admin. > > -- > > Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > Great minds discuss ideas, > Average minds discuss events, > Small minds discuss people... > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Batteries
Date: Nov 14, 2000
Thanks Denny. I guess a guy could "why not" himself to death on these things. Quite often, I've looked at alternatives on various things, and thought, "well, I'm xxx dollars into this thing now, what's another yyy dollars to keep it up to par ??" That's all well and good, but after a few times, the bucks start adding up, big time. Looking at your message, my 1st impulse is to say, "well, hell, a 100 bucks to save 10#, why not, especially since Vamoose is a little (??) overweight anyway. I'm gonna have to cool my heels a bit, and wait. Don't need it yet anyway, so think it over..........then jump all over it. Spendthrift Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Batteries > > Lar, > I saw the add and e-maied them to get the scoop. Very nice folks, they > responded within an hour. turns oot that the battery needed for the bigger > two strokes is 5.5lbs and costs $199.00 OUCH! > I've been keeping my eyes peeled for a better deal in light weight > batteries and if I see anything that tops Richard Swiderskys battery thats > $100.00, I'll mention it on the list. > Just a note, the Zanzottera 202 engine package includes a 7.7 lb battery, > thats pretty light and its cool that they throw it in with the engine. > Speaking of engines, I'll drop Luray a note and check if his 690L is working > out for him. > Later, > Denny > -----Original Message----- > From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> > To: Kolb > Date: Monday, November 13, 2000 10:21 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Batteries > > > > > >Picking up the battery thread again: Has anyone else seen the ad in the > >new KitPlanes, Dec. 2000, page 51 ?? It's called the "X static BATCAP". > > It's an On Board, 12 volt battery for cranking ultralight aircraft. > >300 amps cranking power; less than 3" square. Takes up less space in > >tight quarters. Sounds real interesting, if true. What does 300 amps > >cranking power translate out to ?? Big Lar. Let's > >see how the new formatting handles this. Hope it leaves the Bold Face > >in, but I doubt it. Lar. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 14, 2000
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org>
Subject: Point Ignition
I had trouble with the point ignition on my old 532, bit the bullet and bought the CDI setup from Airscrew Performance, all the difference in the world. Not cheap, but money well spent. Very satisfied. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kolb-List message posted by: Dale Seitzer I have an old points ignition 447 and when it needs rebuilding I want a new engine with CDI. Dale ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry & Karen Cottrel" <lcottrel(at)kfalls.net>
Subject: Re: Tires
Date: Nov 14, 2000
Would these fit on the original wheelbarrow type wheels that were original equip? I need some anyway. Thanks Larry ---------- > From: Dave Rains <rr(at)htg.net> > To: kolb list > Subject: Kolb-List: Tires > Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 5:23 AM > > > Just had to pass this on. Purchased some "aero trainer" tires for my > firestar II. These thing are great! No problem with balancing and they > track very straight. The reason I mention this is that everyone wants about > $63.00 each for these, but when I called Aircraft Spruce, they told me > $27.95! What a deal. Real airplane tires for about what we pay for lawn > tractor tires. One caveat, they are tall, at 17 inches, but narrower that > most tundra types. Get them before they raise the price. > Dave Rains > FireStar II > El Paso > Republic of Texas. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Point Ignition
Date: Nov 14, 2000
Richard, I had Steve at Airscrew put a CDI on my Parasols 503 and am also very pleased with it. Denny -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 7:39 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Point Ignition > >I had trouble with the point ignition on my old 532, bit the bullet and bought >the CDI setup from Airscrew Performance, all the difference in the world. >Not cheap, but money well spent. Very satisfied. >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > >Kolb-List message posted by: Dale Seitzer > >I have an old points ignition 447 and when it needs rebuilding I want a new >engine with CDI. Dale > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net>
Subject: Heads Up With Rivet Gun
Date: Nov 14, 2000
Yesterday I was riveting the wing spar with my air rivet gun. I had raised the air pressure up to about 110 lbs earlier to blow some trash off of my table and forgot to reduce it to the recommend 90 lbs for the gun. When I hit the trigger, the shank of the rivet came out the back like a bullet and penetrated the plastic catch tank on the back of the gun. Luckily I did not get hit. One of these things hitting you in the eye could end a flying career in a hurry. Just something for everyone to think about. Wear safety glasses. Ron Payne Gilbertsville, Ky. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BERNDSENCO(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 14, 2000
Subject: Slingshot For Sale
Due to the lack of success in my finding permanent hangerage I am reluctantly considering putting my beloved Slingshot up for sale. I have had little time to fly it this past year and if I have to trailer it each time, I know I'll fly it even less. She is 2 years old and is in like new condition. Beautiful craftsmanship (builder has built 4 other airplanes and is a perfectionist), yellow Aero-Thane paint job with black trim and upholstery, 220 hrs, fresh annual, very lightweight at 403 lbs. (over 110 lbs. lighter than the other 2 local Slingshots and the factory model), fantastic performance and handling, 35 mph stall, 90 mph cruise, 1500 fpm climb, N-numbered and registered experimental, approved for aerobatics and it does them nicely, engine is 582 w/ Warpdrive 3-blade tapered prop w/ stainless steel edges, new upgraded hydraulic heel brakes with parking brake and double puck brake cylinders make it stop fast, new Matco wheels w/ large 6x8 tundra tires for rough field use, new heavy duty full swivel tailwheel, new 4-point harness, new ELT, Delcom radio, basic instruments. This airplane was flown to the Kolb Factory fly-in and the factory personnel were very impressed with the quality of construction and it's light weight. Just ask Norm or Travis. Over $23,000 spent in just material costs, not including labor. Best offer over $18,000 takes it. Located at Cartersville, GA airport. I know I'll regret selling her but she's just not getting much use. Please respond off list. Jon Berndsen Atlanta, GA 770 754-9845 home 404 303-7272 office berndsenco(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 15, 2000
Subject: Re: Tires
In a message dated 11/14/00 8:23:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, rr(at)htg.net writes: << $27.95! What a deal. Real airplane tires for about what we pay for lawn tractor tires. One caveat, they are tall, at 17 inches, but narrower that most tundra types. Get them before they raise the price. Dave Rains FireStar II El Paso Republic of Texas. >> David....could I see a picture of them on your great El Paso flying airplane? GeoR38 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Heads Up With Rivet Gun
Date: Nov 14, 2000
You are very right; you got a valuable lesson the easy way. Some time ago, I started buffing a part on the wire wheel on my bench grinder, and it threw a wire. It stuck in.............solid.............about 1/4" below the outside corner of my left eye. Still makes me sweat to think about it, and now I ALWAYS wear my glasses around ALL power tools - every time. Used to be just most of the time. Those who don't..................take heed. Wiser Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 7:50 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Heads Up With Rivet Gun > > Yesterday I was riveting the wing spar with my air rivet gun. I had raised > the air pressure up to about 110 lbs earlier to blow some trash off of my > table and forgot to reduce it to the recommend 90 lbs for the gun. When I > hit the trigger, the shank of the rivet came out the back like a bullet and > penetrated the plastic catch tank on the back of the gun. Luckily I did not > get hit. One of these things hitting you in the eye could end a flying > career in a hurry. Just something for everyone to think about. Wear safety > glasses. > > Ron Payne > Gilbertsville, Ky. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Tires
Date: Nov 14, 2000
Yessss ! ! ! I'd like to see them too. Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: <GeoR38(at)aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires > > In a message dated 11/14/00 8:23:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, rr(at)htg.net > writes: > > << $27.95! What a deal. Real airplane tires for about what we pay for lawn > tractor tires. One caveat, they are tall, at 17 inches, but narrower that > most tundra types. Get them before they raise the price. > Dave Rains > FireStar II > El Paso > Republic of Texas. >> > > David....could I see a picture of them on your great El Paso flying airplane? > GeoR38 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Old Mail
Date: Nov 14, 2000
I mind wiped my new computer a couple of days ago, to solve a problem, and created more than I solved. Lost an awful lot of files in temp storage. Think I wiped my own mind while I was at it. S.O.a.B. ! ! ! Julian, could you send me that URL for the GP re-drive again, please. Among other things, I lost that, and your address, as well. T'anks. What a raging pain !!!!!!!!! Disgusted Lar. P.S. Being real bright and intelligent, I reloaded what turned out to be the offending program, and now have the whole G.D. thing to do over again. Merciful M.F. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net>
Subject: Re: Tires
Date: Nov 15, 2000
I will put a picture of my FireStar with the aero trainer tires within a day. Don't know the weight yet, will be doing a new weight and balance this weekend anyway. -----Original Message----- From: GeoR38(at)aol.com <GeoR38(at)aol.com> Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires > >In a message dated 11/14/00 8:23:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, rr(at)htg.net >writes: > ><< $27.95! What a deal. Real airplane tires for about what we pay for lawn > tractor tires. One caveat, they are tall, at 17 inches, but narrower that > most tundra types. Get them before they raise the price. > Dave Rains > FireStar II > El Paso > Republic of Texas. >> > >David....could I see a picture of them on your great El Paso flying airplane? >GeoR38 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net>
Subject: Re: Tires
Date: Nov 15, 2000
Found the weight listed in the old 97 CPS. Says they weigh 6lbs, width=5.25", and 17" inches O.D. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires > >Dave and Gang: > >What size and how much do they weigh? > >Are they listed in Acft Spruce Catalog or on their web site? > >Thanks, > >john h > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net>
Subject: Re: Tires
Date: Nov 15, 2000
Yes, they will "fit" on the wheelbarrow wheels but, if they are like the ones that came with my plane, they have nothing on the inside of the rim to help hold the tire in place. The frustration of tires turning on the wheels even while fully inflated is why I purchased Azusa wheels. I'll bet that the added weight of real tires and tube may make the situation even worse. Just a thought. Dave Rains El Paso -----Original Message----- From: Larry & Karen Cottrel <lcottrel(at)kfalls.net> Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:17 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires > >Would these fit on the original wheelbarrow type wheels that were original >equip? I need some anyway. >Thanks >Larry > >---------- >> From: Dave Rains <rr(at)htg.net> >> To: kolb list >> Subject: Kolb-List: Tires >> Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 5:23 AM >> >> >> Just had to pass this on. Purchased some "aero trainer" tires for my >> firestar II. These thing are great! No problem with balancing and they >> track very straight. The reason I mention this is that everyone wants >about >> $63.00 each for these, but when I called Aircraft Spruce, they told me >> $27.95! What a deal. Real airplane tires for about what we pay for lawn >> tractor tires. One caveat, they are tall, at 17 inches, but narrower >that >> most tundra types. Get them before they raise the price. >> Dave Rains >> FireStar II >> El Paso >> Republic of Texas. >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net>
Subject: Prop
Date: Nov 15, 2000
John, Both the Ivo and Powerfin are three blade 60 inches. I had a 66 inch wood prop that performed well, however the noise was more than I wanted to put up with. I first tried Will Uribe's Ivo and was not satisfied. It would not give me the acceleration down the runway that I was accustomed to with the wood prop, it was very smooth, but I use my plane to patrol 1800 square miles of desert and land in some fairly small places. Also, the Ivo blades "flopped" around a lot, I could hear it, especially when reducing power, and was very annoying. I ordered a PowerFin after talking on line with other Kolb drivers. It's exactly what I expected. Very smooth, great range of adjustment, quiet, and a real kick in the pants when I apply full throttle for those hair raising short field take-offs. Cruise speed with the PowerFin is comparable with a 2 blade wood prop, I get about 67mph at 5400rpm. Another neat thing about the PowerFin, you can adjust each blade separately to ensure each blade is exactly the same pitch. I would judge the quality of the PowerFin to be superior to Ivo. Just my humble opinion. (Flame away) Hope this helps. Dave Rains FireStar II El Paso Republic of Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2000
From: "Steven S. Green" <GREENSS(at)Bowater.com>
Subject: Props.
A1-type: MAIL Does your formula give results for 2 or 3 blade props???? And do you have to figure in a pitch amount??? boyd Boyd, I can not answer this accurately but I feel sure it is for 2 blade props. Pitch is not considered. Steven, I have seen this formula before, and have wondered how the redrive ratio figures into it. I am not sure but something is changing when you "gear down" 2.62:1 times. It is probably the torque that is amplified, horsepower is unchanged (except for gearbox inefficiency). So don't we somehow need to factor in the reduction? Someone help me understand this, if you can... Jim Gerken Jim, Jeremy answered your question it is propeller rpm. Engine torque is multiplied by your gearbox ratio and rpm is divided by the ratio. Someone ask about RPM 2. This is RPM squared Sorry for the slow response I just subscribe to the digest so I don't get the messages until the next day. Steven Green Etowah, TN Mark III ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sam Cox" <lightflyer(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Tires
Date: Nov 15, 2000
Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > >What size and how much do they weigh? Dave did you order the 600 X 6 tires? Question to all: what wheels work best with the "Tundra" size tires? Sam Cox Firestar II ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MitchMnD(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 15, 2000
Subject: Flight Report
Finally made it to the airport this PM. I had not been flying for three weeks due to travel and family obligations. No, it is not like riding a bike and never forgetting how. The plane was her usual eager self and started on the first pull. The OAT was ~60 degrees so she went to her 1,000 Ft/Min max climb without hesitation. That's fun but I always flatten the climb a little so that I can have more air speed in case things get quiet and I have to get that nose down pronto. I did a half dozen asphalt and grass touch-and-goes with full flaperons. All were acceptable but I learned that using full flaperons increases the drag, makes the landing speed drain off more quickly and will leave you stalled as the IAS plummets through that lower stall speed they provide. With a little power to overcome the drag they will let you fly at a lower speed but beware of the sudden drop in IAS if you are doing engine-out simulations. The good news is that I never once forgot to retract flaperons for take off. I also went out over my practice area and did a dozen S turns over a highway. On the way back the local Stearman banner towing tug came into view. She was towing a giant airborne sign that read "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!" Everybody wants to get into the act here in Tallahassee. Back on the ground I was invited to join the bunch from Panama City (Firehawk et al.) for a flight they plan to make from their home area east ~90 miles to Wakulla County airport on Ochlockonee Bay. They fly the beaches all the way. My Saturday is already obligated so I might just meet them at the bay. I sure miss his input to this list, especially the info on the great flights they plan. Duane the plane in Tallahassee, FL, FireFly SN 007, 447, Ivo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: year-2000(at)mindspring.com
Date: Nov 15, 2000
Subject: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"
"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us your slaves, but feed us.'" (Dosteovsky's Grand Inquisitor.) "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Josef V. Stalin The three ships are the USS Tarawa, USS Deleuth and USS Ahchorage. All have been involved in the rescue efforts for the USS Cole, the Navy destroyer bombed in a terrorist attack in Yemen. The New York Post is now reporting that there are ballots from some 3,000 sailors and Marines on those ships. Some sailors are openly expressing their suspicions that their Commander in Chief, none other than that paragon of virtue and lawfulness, Bill Clinton, may have acted purposely to delay these ballots --- both to and from these servicemen. A Congressional investigation is being called for. Meanwhile, the Navy is said to be working hard to get those ballots destined to Florida in the hands of Florida elections officials by Friday ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2000
From: Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Subject: Re: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"
Hey maybe we can get Matt to sponsor another web site devoted to spreading our political opinions. We are not all Americans here. We are not all Christians here. We are not all white here. We are all different here. What we have in common is that we love kolb airplanes. That is our common interest and that is what the list is about. It has been asked before and I will ask again. can we keep the politics and stuff outta here and keep it airplane related? > > >"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us >your slaves, but feed us.'" (Dosteovsky's Grand Inquisitor.) > >"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better ________________________________________________________________________________
From: year-2000(at)mindspring.com
Date: Nov 15, 2000
Subject: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"
>The only ones who are attempting to deny democracy are folks like you. But >apparently not everyone's vote counts. Just like Russia and Stalin...Silence >those who want this done RIGHT and fairly. And isn't funny that Jeb is the >gov. of Florida. > >It figures that this would come in from the Kolb list! >This is democracy at its absolute best, not being silenced by those of your >one sided narrow minded ilk. >"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. >Those who count the votes decide everything." > Josef V. Stalin -------- This is one of my favorites. From Alexander Tyler. No, he wasn't writing about the United States. This quote is well over one hundred years old. Tyler was writing about the fall of the Athenian Republic. "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"
Date: Nov 15, 2000
Woody, I sure love free expression, leniency, and the whole bit, but this time I just hafta agree with you. The papers are full of that stuff, and we can read it there. Please guys.............................! ! ! Big Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woody" <duesouth(at)govital.net> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!" > > > Hey maybe we can get Matt to sponsor another web site devoted to > spreading our political opinions. We are not all Americans here. We are not > all Christians here. We are not all white here. We are all different here. > What we have in common is that we love kolb airplanes. That is our common > interest and that is what the list is about. It has been asked before and I > will ask again. can we keep the politics and stuff outta here and keep it > airplane related? > > > > > > > >"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us > >your slaves, but feed us.'" (Dosteovsky's Grand Inquisitor.) > > > >"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Nov 15, 2000
"Kolb-List: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"" (Nov 15, 8:45pm)
Subject: Re: [List Admin Comment; Please Read] "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"
Kolbers, Well guys, I usually try to let the Lists police themselves with regards to content, but I've gotten a number of comments regarding the recent non-aviation dialog and winced a little myself on the thread below. Let's get back to Kolb discussions and leave the political conversations for the dinner table... :-) Thanks, Matt Dralle Email List Admin. >-------------- > >>The only ones who are attempting to deny democracy are folks like you. But >>apparently not everyone's vote counts. Just like Russia and Stalin...Silence >>those who want this done RIGHT and fairly. And isn't funny that Jeb is the >>gov. of Florida. >> >>It figures that this would come in from the Kolb list! >>This is democracy at its absolute best, not being silenced by those of your >>one sided narrow minded ilk. > >>"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. >>Those who count the votes decide everything." >> Josef V. Stalin >-------- > >This is one of my favorites. From Alexander Tyler. No, he wasn't writing >about the United States. This quote is well over one hundred years old. >Tyler was writing about the fall of the Athenian Republic. > >"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only >exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from >the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the >candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the >result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed >by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has >been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following >sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great >courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance >to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, >from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." > >-------------- -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft Great minds discuss ideas, Average minds discuss events, Small minds discuss people... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Tires
Date: Nov 16, 2000
Sam, they are 600x6 and the book says they weigh 6lbs each, (without tube). I would think any good wheel would due. Sorry Lar- wheelbarrow types not included. Spent an hour yesterday doing T&G's and am very impressed. No more thump, thump, or having to apply the breaks after take-off to stop the vibration. They are so smooth. Dave. -----Original Message----- From: Sam Cox <lightflyer(at)email.msn.com> Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:36 AM Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Tires > >> >>What size and how much do they weigh? > >Dave did you order the 600 X 6 tires? > >Question to all: what wheels work best with the "Tundra" size tires? > >Sam Cox >Firestar II > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 16, 2000
From: ed mills <edgmills(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"
Thanks for taking the lead on this one Woody! I did it the last time that year-2000 posted his stuff and got lots of grief. I agree and can't help but wonder why this stuff keeps coming from Mr year-2000 ? Has there ever been anything related to KOLB posted by this individual or is he just someone that signs up for every list he can find on the net to spread his views? I also responded to Dale on y-2000's last posting. I say keep it kolb/flying related or take it off the list. Ed Dallas Tx. MK-3 --- Woody wrote: > > > > Hey maybe we can get Matt to sponsor another web > site devoted to > spreading our political opinions. We are not all > Americans here. We are not > all Christians here. We are not all white here. We > are all different here. > What we have in common is that we love kolb > airplanes. That is our common > interest and that is what the list is about. It has > been asked before and I > will ask again. can we keep the politics and stuff > outta here and keep it > airplane related? > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Tires
Date: Nov 16, 2000
Hmmmmmmm.................not sure how I got mixed into that, but I sure don't have the "wheelbarrow" tires. I like the sounds of the ones you're talking about, but I think I'm still gonna go with the ones that John Wood, from San Diego, found for his FireStar. They're about the same diameter, but at least twice the width. Real "Tundra" tires, and very impressive to me. Off-Road Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:22 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Tires > > Sam, they are 600x6 and the book says they weigh 6lbs each, (without tube). > I would think any good wheel would due. Sorry Lar- wheelbarrow types not > included. Spent an hour yesterday doing T&G's and am very impressed. No > more thump, thump, or having to apply the breaks after take-off to stop the > vibration. They are so smooth. > Dave. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Cox <lightflyer(at)email.msn.com> > To: Kolb List > Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:36 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Tires > > > > > >> > >>What size and how much do they weigh? > > > >Dave did you order the 600 X 6 tires? > > > >Question to all: what wheels work best with the "Tundra" size tires? > > > >Sam Cox > >Firestar II > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GDLedbette(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 16, 2000
Subject: Another lurker surfaces
Kolbers, I've been reading the group's email for several months now and since I soloed my new Firefly yesterday, it's time to come out of the closet. My story is rather long so you should hit delete now if you have no interest. I lost my wife to breast cancer in March of 1999 (married 43 years) and in looking around for something to help me cope with being a new widower, I decided to learn to fly and started lessons. I went to a local FAA doc who did the normal quick and easy physical but since I was a recent type 2 diabetic (it runs in the family) and had bypass surgery in 1991, I was required to provide specific information on both problems. My cardiologist forwarded the requested documentation and my GP did the same concerning the type 2 diabetes.That was in June.I got a request from the FAA in August for a more recent stress test.So I arranged for the stress test, had no problems, and that was forwarded to OK City in early September. =A0Well, I finally started calling OK City weekly trying to follow the progress of my request.In the meantime, I was building up flying hours without the benefit of being able to solo and fly alone since I still didn't have the FAA Student License. The first week of December came and along with it the notice from the FAA that they were refusing my physical because of some medication I was taking. =A0Needless to say, the question that came to mind was:"If you are going to flunk me because of medications, why did you ask for a more recent stress test and let me continue spending my good dollars for 5 additional months." =A0Needless to say, I was really pissed but had to leave for my annual Florida vacation and didn't have the time or mentality at that time to start a fight. =A0I live in Cincinnati, retired in 1991 and deserve to spend the winters in Florida. Returning home in March and reviewing the situation, my son asked if I had ever considered an ultralight.I knew nothing about FAR103 at that time but started looking and to make a long story short decided that the Firefly looked like the only selection for me, visited Kolb and LiteSpeed and contracted with LiteSpeed to build the whole bird.I'll be 71 in January=20and really didn't have the time to build since I'd much rather be flying. My solo flight yesterday was the culmination of this effort and the mental high was indescribable. So I join the ranks of Kolb flyers and look forward to many hours of pleasure.I will be trailering to Florida in January and hope to see many of you at Sun and Fun.. I forgot to mention that I did some transition training at Kolb with Norm last Saturday and Wednesday morning in the new Kolbra trainer before driving to Stanton for the climax of the day.Thanks again Norm, it was awesome! Gene Ledbetter Firefly 00-2-00018, both canopies, big wheels and brakes, Ivo 2 blade Cincinnati, OH ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dale Seitzer <dale(at)gmada.com>
Subject: Another lurker surfaces
Date: Nov 16, 2000
That is a great story--it gave me goose bumps. Why we like flying is hard to explain to people who have never done it--why we like ultralights is hard to explain to GA pilots. I talked to a pilot for SunCountry who has a Cessna 140 and he is frustrated with it because it has low power and takes so long to get off the ground and so he needs a long runway and has limited cross wind capability--we talked about ultralights and he said that sounds like lots of fun--this is a pilot of DC 10 and 747's. I am thankfull I can experience flight. I flew the repaired Firestar and it flys perfect--1.5 hours, 3 landings, I love my plane. Dale Seitzer -----Original Message----- From: GDLedbette(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Another lurker surfaces Kolbers, I've been reading the group's email for several months now and since I soloed my new Firefly yesterday, it's time to come out of the closet. My story is rather long so you should hit delete now if you have no interest. I lost my wife to breast cancer in March of 1999 (married 43 years) and in looking around for something to help me cope with being a new widower, I decided to learn to fly and started lessons. I went to a local FAA doc who did the normal quick and easy physical but since I was a recent type 2 diabetic (it runs in the family) and had bypass surgery in 1991, I was required to provide specific information on both problems. My cardiologist forwarded the requested documentation and my GP did the same concerning the type 2 diabetes.That was in June.I got a request from the FAA in August for a more recent stress test.So I arranged for the stress test, had no problems, and that was forwarded to OK City in early September. =A0Well, I finally started calling OK City weekly trying to follow the progress of my request.In the meantime, I was building up flying hours without the benefit of being able to solo and fly alone since I still didn't have the FAA Student License. The first week of December came and along with it the notice from the FAA that they were refusing my physical because of some medication I was taking. =A0Needless to say, the question that came to mind was:"If you are going to flunk me because of medications, why did you ask for a more recent stress test and let me continue spending my good dollars for 5 additional months." =A0Needless to say, I was really pissed but had to leave for my annual Florida vacation and didn't have the time or mentality at that time to start a fight. =A0I live in Cincinnati, retired in 1991 and deserve to spend the winters in Florida. Returning home in March and reviewing the situation, my son asked if I had ever considered an ultralight.I knew nothing about FAR103 at that time but started looking and to make a long story short decided that the Firefly looked like the only selection for me, visited Kolb and LiteSpeed and contracted with LiteSpeed to build the whole bird.I'll be 71 in January=20and really didn't have the time to build since I'd much rather be flying. My solo flight yesterday was the culmination of this effort and the mental high was indescribable. So I join the ranks of Kolb flyers and look forward to many hours of pleasure.I will be trailering to Florida in January and hope to see many of you at Sun and Fun.. I forgot to mention that I did some transition training at Kolb with Norm last Saturday and Wednesday morning in the new Kolbra trainer before driving to Stanton for the climax of the day.Thanks again Norm, it was awesome! Gene Ledbetter Firefly 00-2-00018, both canopies, big wheels and brakes, Ivo 2 blade Cincinnati, OH ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 16, 2000
From: John Jung <jrjung(at)execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Another lurker surfaces
Gene, Congratulations on the first flight and thanks for sharing your story. John Jung Firestar II N6163J SE wisconsin GDLedbette(at)aol.com wrote: > > Kolbers, > > I've been reading the group's email for several months now and since I soloed > my new Firefly yesterday, it's time to come out of the closet. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris Sudlow" <suds77(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"
Date: Nov 16, 2000
Woody, God bless America & God bless the Kolb list & God bless those who don't know they are. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net> Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:24 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!" > > > Hey maybe we can get Matt to sponsor another web site devoted to >spreading our political opinions. We are not all Americans here. We are not >all Christians here. We are not all white here. We are all different here. >What we have in common is that we love kolb airplanes. That is our common >interest and that is what the list is about. It has been asked before and I >will ask again. can we keep the politics and stuff outta here and keep it >airplane related? > > >> >> >>"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us >>your slaves, but feed us.'" (Dosteovsky's Grand Inquisitor.) >> >>"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Another lurker surfaces
Date: Nov 16, 2000
You're a determined man, and an inspiration to all of us. Good on you ! ! ! Big Lar. Palm Springs, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: <GDLedbette(at)aol.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:10 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Another lurker surfaces > > Kolbers, > > I've been reading the group's email for several months now and since I soloe> d > my new Firefly yesterday, it's time to come out of the closet. > > My story is rather long so you should hit delete now if you have no interest> .> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Swiderski" <swidersk(at)digital.net>
Subject: Re: Another lurker surfaces
Date: Nov 16, 2000
Gene, Congratulations! I congratulate you on your 1st flight. And I congratulate you to your committment to go on living life in spite of tragedy. Your inspiring example brings to mind one of my favorite quotes, "The glory of God is man fully alive." Thanks for sharing & becoming a non-lurker! Let us know what part of FL you settle in so we can look you up. If you're in the Ocala area drop in for a cup of coffee & some Kolb chat. (352-522-4064) Richard Swiderski Kolb SlingShot -582/someday 3 cyl turbo Suzuki 4-stroke, Raven redrive ----- Original Message ----- From: <GDLedbette(at)aol.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:10 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Another lurker surfaces > > Kolbers, > > I lost my wife to breast cancer in March of 1999 (married 43 years) and in > looking around for something to help me cope with being a new widower, I > decided to learn to fly and started lessons. >>SNIP>>> My solo flight yesterday was the culmination of this effort and the mental high was indescribable. So I join the ranks of Kolb flyers and look forward to many hours of pleasure. I will be trailering to Florida in January and hope to see many of you at Sun and Fun. > Gene Ledbetter > Firefly 00-2-00018, both canopies, big wheels and brakes, Ivo 2 blade > Cincinnati, OH ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"
Date: Nov 16, 2000
Keep your political crap out of here! Jerk ----- Original Message ----- From: <year-2000(at)mindspring.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:36 AM Subject: Kolb-List: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!" > > >The only ones who are attempting to deny democracy are folks like you. But > >apparently not everyone's vote counts. Just like Russia and Stalin...Silence > >those who want this done RIGHT and fairly. And isn't funny that Jeb is the > >gov. of Florida. > > > >It figures that this would come in from the Kolb list! > >This is democracy at its absolute best, not being silenced by those of your > >one sided narrow minded ilk. > > >"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. > >Those who count the votes decide everything." > > Josef V. Stalin > -------- > > This is one of my favorites. From Alexander Tyler. No, he wasn't writing > about the United States. This quote is well over one hundred years old. > Tyler was writing about the fall of the Athenian Republic. > > "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only > exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from > the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the > candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the > result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed > by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has > been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following > sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great > courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance > to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, > from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"
Date: Nov 16, 2000
Keep your political crap out of here. Idiot ----- Original Message ----- From: <year-2000(at)mindspring.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:28 PM Subject: Kolb-List: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!" > > > "In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us > your slaves, but feed us.'" (Dosteovsky's Grand Inquisitor.) > > "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better > than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not > your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. > May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you > were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams > > "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. > Those who count the votes decide everything." > Josef V. Stalin > > The three ships are the USS Tarawa, USS Deleuth and USS Ahchorage. All > have been involved in the rescue efforts for the USS Cole, the Navy > destroyer bombed in a terrorist attack in Yemen. > > The New York Post is now reporting that there are ballots from some 3,000 > sailors and Marines on those ships. Some sailors are openly expressing > their suspicions that their Commander in Chief, none other than that > paragon of virtue and lawfulness, Bill Clinton, may have acted purposely to > delay these ballots --- both to and from these servicemen. > > A Congressional investigation is being called for. > > Meanwhile, the Navy is said to be working hard to get those ballots > destined to Florida in the hands of Florida elections officials by Friday > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"
Date: Nov 16, 2000
Good daaaay to you and any other sheep that may read my reply. -----Original Message----- From: year-2000(at)mindspring.com <year-2000(at)mindspring.com> Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:41 PM Subject: Kolb-List: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!" > >>The only ones who are attempting to deny democracy are folks like you. But >>apparently not everyone's vote counts. Just like Russia and Stalin...Silence >>those who want this done RIGHT and fairly. And isn't funny that Jeb is the >>gov. of Florida. >> I guess your version of "doing it RIGHT" is recounting until the Socialist party wins. You people always accuse the opposition of the very infractions you are guilty of. Whats so funny about a man being elected to a public office? Seems funny that the ballot problems only appeared after the returns were turning against the socialists. Seems odd that although these ballots were used in several areas of the country, only the democratic "I mean socialist" strongholds in the swing state had any problem with them, again AFTER THE RETURNS. Its more than strange that this socialist controlled county threw out 16000 ballots in the 1996 presidential race because of double punching, I guess Bush showed better than Dole since they needed to double punch 19000 this time around. Seems like we have a real pattern of voter fraud down there. Kind of like what the Daily family is infamous for in Chicago. Now they are doing it in broad daylight and the media who should be the watchdogs of our Republic are not objective enough to do their job. >>It figures that this would come in from the Kolb list! ?????? Whatever! >>This is democracy at its absolute best, not being silenced by those of your >>one sided narrow minded ilk. Yeh, the dogma of the Tolerence Gang, everybody that thinks on their own, or fears GODs judgement are narrow minded bigots. Lets not forget Nazis, now that one is ironic, as in the pot calling the kettle black. You same people think nothing of throwing out my vote while calling me narrow minded. For all the grand standing you sorry souls do, you are only Tolerant toward those who agree with you. > >>"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. >>Those who count the votes decide everything." >> Josef V. Stalin > -------- >Yeah, machines which are certified to make only one mistake in a million counts are NOT reliable enough for you, only when examined by biased humans, can the real intent of each voter be diserned from the ballot. Give me a break!!! Machines are used to eliminate human bias, The votes were counted two and three times by the machines and Bush WON, live with it. Take a look at the county by county map of the election returns and than if you think America elected Gore, you need medication. >This is one of my favorites. From Alexander Tyler. No, he wasn't writing >about the United States. This quote is well over one hundred years old. >Tyler was writing about the fall of the Athenian Republic. > >"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only >exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from >the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the >candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the >result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed >by a dictatorship. My vote for Bush was a vote for an end to the nightmare of MURDERING BABIES upon delivery and otherwise, for Social Security reform, for the belief that my wifes best chance of self defence against a male attacker is her Constitutional right to bear arms, for a man who had the courage to say that the EVIL RICH deserve a tax break also, for a man who upholds the law of his state that puts to death those who have disregarded the lives of their fellow man, this means he values your and my saftey more than a murderers. The average age of the world's great civilizations has >been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following >sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great >courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance >to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, >from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." > > The media can be the keepers of the Republic by keeping tabs on the crookedness of our elected officials and reporting only the facts. However they have chosen Socialism over a Representative Republic and are now the lapdogs and attack dogs of the left, this more than anything has brought our country to its knees. >_-The only consolation we are left with is that our LORD says "REVENGE IS MINE. I think I can put up with the injustices I see everywhere knowing my savior is not as easily fooled as half the population of this nation. However, I will not keep my views to myself. So you Elitests will always have folks like me around voting our conciences, just keep throwing our ballots out, its what you do best. ============================================================ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Tires
Date: Nov 17, 2000
Sorry , I thought you posted a question about wheelbarrow wheels. I had "tundra" tires on the plane. Had a hard time getting them to balance, thump. thump, very annoying. I land on dirt roads and playas in the desert regularly and have a pretty good idea what works. The only difference between the two for that purpose that I can tell, is it's much easier to turn the plane with the aero trainers. If the tundra types are real tires, they should perform equally well. Best Regards, Dave Rains -----Original Message----- From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Tires > >Hmmmmmmm.................not sure how I got mixed into that, but I sure >don't have the "wheelbarrow" tires. I like the sounds of the ones you're >talking about, but I think I'm still gonna go with the ones that John Wood, >from San Diego, found for his FireStar. They're about the same diameter, >but at least twice the width. Real "Tundra" tires, and very impressive to >me. Off-Road Lar. > >--- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clay Stuart" <cstuart(at)searnet.com>
Subject: digest
Date: Nov 17, 2000
I only got 4 messages of the 21 of the most recent digest. I was prepared to read the lost post about the new Firefly solo and it stopped there. If anyone got the 21 messages please forward them to me cstuart(at)searnet.com Thanks, Clay Stuart Danville KY Mark IIIXtra kit#1 on order ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2000
From: Ron Hoyt <rrhoyt(at)ieee.org>
Subject: Rotax 912 Rectifier Regulator Operation Analysis
My investigation results on the operation of the 912 rectifier regulator are posted below. I summarize my conclusions and then provide the experimental data on which they are based. The data makes this post long but the summery is short. Reference: Discussions on 08:17 AM 10/27/00 between John Bickham and Robert L. Nuckolls > >If anyone is in the mood and would like to explain what function the R , +B, L, and C leads serve on the regulator, I'd be interested. Bob N. please type slow, I have trouble keeping up with your post sometimes. I purchased your book and still working on a lot of that reading. On the schematic in the Rotax installation manual all these (R, +B, L, and C) leads are pretty much jumped together and then go to ground through the capacitor. Maybe if you speak Italian these letters mean something obvious to you. > > I'm guessing because I've not been able to get real information > from Rotax . . . I'm not sure they know. If I were to bet > on the labels: > > +B = power output from alternator to the airplane > > R ?=? Sense lead to let the regulator know what the > alternator's output voltage is . . . > > L = Idiot light output - NOT a substitute for at least > a good voltmeter in the sytem to know what the alternator > is REALLY doing. > > C = Control lead that turns the altenrator ON/OFF via > remote switch. > > >I'd kinda like to understand some of this stuff in case I get into a >troubleshooting situation, especially in the air. > These recent discussions regarding the function of the connections on the Rotax 912 Rectifier/Regulator were inconsistent with my expectations for the unit. Consequently, since I was planning to relocate the device in my project, I took the opportunity to measure the device operational characteristics. The results are posted in the tables below. I have come to the following conclusions regarding the connections to the device and solicit any insight others derive from the data below. 1) The C terminal of the device is the voltage control for the device. The device attempts to maintain approximately 14 volts at this terminal and will drive the voltage at the B+ as high as needed to achieve this goal. 2) The L terminal is for an Idiot Light and turns grounds a light connected to the power bus when the C terminal drops below 13.96 volts. 3) The B+ terminal is the principle current source to the system power bus. 4) The R terminal appears to be a reference voltage that tracks the C terminal when unconnected. This terminal provides NO control of the device output. Its function may be as a device health test terminal or use in other applications where a reference voltage is needed. Experimental Data sets below this line: _____ Data sets for the Measurement of the Ducati model 9603, 12VDC Regulator Rectifier(Rotax P/N 965 345) device used with the Rotax 912 engine. The AC power was connected to the two G terminals of the device and was isolated from the ground. The VAC column is the AC voltage across the G terminals of the device. The I B+ column lists the charging current into an old battery. The V B+ column lists the voltage at the device B+ terminal with respect to the device chassis, which is grounded to the battery. AC power changed only experiment. Note the operation of the device L terminal. This is the voltage from the device B+ to the device L terminal listed in the V L column. This L terminal would turn on an Idiot Light when the charging voltage drops below 14.0 volts and the light was wired into the circuit between the battery B+ and the L terminal. Also note that this device is charging the battery with a source AC voltage less than the battery voltage. This means that the device has a full wave rectifier circuit since it is too small to have much of a chopper transformer. At and above 18VAC the device appeared to be chopping the current flow to maintain the B+ terminal at 14.12. This produces a noisy reading on the current meter. | VAC I B+ V B+ V R V C V L | ---| | 0.065 0 13.17 V B+ V B+ 13.1 | | <10.8 =0 13.07 V B+ V B+ 13.0 | | >10.8 >0 13.07 V B+ V B+ 13.0 | | 11.5 0.6 13.5 V B+ V B+ 13.3 | | 12.01 0.8 13.97 V B+ V B+ 13.8 | | 12.58 .8 13.96 V B+ V B+ 0.25 | | 14.2 .8 14.0 V B+ V B+ 0 | | 14.96 .8 14.0 V B+ V B+ 0 | | 16.06 .8 14.08 V B+ V B+ 0 | | 16.96 .8 14.12 V B+ V B+ 0 | | 18.00 .85 14.12 V B+ V B+ 0 | | 19.15 .85 14.12 V B+ V B+ 0 | | 20.14 .85 14.12 V B+ V B+ 0 | Notes: 1) The caption V B+ appearing in the column means that connection was shorted to the V B+ terminal. 2) A * in the column means that no data was taken. 3) V B+ was measured with a Tenma(model 72-4030) digital Voltmeter. V C was measured with a Micronta(model 22-211A) 20,000 ohm/volt analog voltmeter that had a -0.3 volt bias error with respect to the Tenma meter. This measurement bias in the Micronta analog meter has been corrected in these data sets. The current I B+ was measured with a Simpson(model 260) analog voltmeter with a sensitivity of 20,000 ohms/volt. The VAC was measured with a Beckman(model RMS 255) digital voltmeter. All measurements were taken simultaneously. Terminal C voltage change experiment. These sets of data measure the C terminal voltage, reported in the VC column for multiple settings of the AC power source. The power to the device C terminal was taken from the wiper of a 500 ohm voltage divider pot between the device B+ terminal and ground. Conclusion: The C terminal is controlling the regulation of the device power output at the B+ terminal. The device will increase the voltage output at the B+ terminal until the voltage on the C terminal is approximately 14.0 volts. This could cause excessive voltage on the power bus for avionics if a resistance (corrosion) develops in the circuit between the battery and the control terminal. At some point less than 5 volts on the C terminal the regulator shuts down the output at the B+ terminal. | VAC I B+ V B+ V R V C V L | ---| | 0 0 12.28 V B+ 12.28 * | In the following set of data the voltage on the C terminal was advanced from a low voltage state with the VAC power input unchanged from the 12.66 volt setting. The 12.28 volt measurement above represents the battery charge state. This battery was charging as the experiment proceeded. | VAC I B+ V B+ V R V C V L | ---| | 12.66 1.2 14.67 V B+ 12.8 * | | 12.62 1.2 14.65 V B+ 12.8 * | | 12.64 1.1 14.68 V B+ 13.3 * | | 12.66 1.3 14.70 V B+ 13.5 * | | 12.63 1.1 14.65 V B+ 13.8 * | | 12.35 1.6 13.99 V B+ 13.9 * | | 12.66 0.9 13.99 V B+ 13.9 * | | 12.80 0.85 14.02 V B+ 14.05 * | This measurement advanced the VAC setting to 17.00 volts putting the C terminal at the B+ voltage of 14.05. | VAC I B+ V B+ V R V C V L | ---| | 17.00 0.92 14.14 V B+ 14.2 * | | 16.88 1.0 14.05 V B+ 14.01 * | | 15.63 0.9 14.05 V B+ 14.06 * | | 15.70 4.2 16.0 V B+ 13.73 * | | 15.45 5.1 16.94 V B+ 13.5 * | | 15.37 5.0 16.64 V B+ 13.0 * | The following data was an extended collection of an earlier set of data to explore a wide range of control terminal voltage settings. The VAC no load power was set to 16.27 volts. Notice that the regulator shuts down the charging current when the control voltage goes to zero. This was investigated further by increasing the VAC voltage to 50 volts with the same conditions and had the same results of stopping the charging current when the control voltage goes to zero. | VAC I B+ V B+ V R V C V L | ---| | 16.25 0 13.0 V B+ 0.00 * | | 15.60 2.2 15.8 V B+ 5.34 * | | 15.34 2.8 16.0 V B+ 6.0 * | | 14.98 3.5 16.1 V B+ 7.10 * | | 15.10 3.5 16.1 V B+ 7.09 * | | 14.95 4.0 16.1 V B+ 9.03 * | | 14.93 4.0 16.1 V B+ 10.07 * | | 14.94 4.0 16.1 V B+ 11.10 * | | 14.90 3.9 16.1 V B+ 12.01 * | The following set of data changes the device C terminal voltage settings with the VAC power setting at 20.00 volts. The setting for terminal C that produced the maximum current was found. In general the settings for terminal C were chosen to give approximately 1 amp increments in the charging current. Because of the chopping regulation of the device the current measurements are crude above 2 Amps. | VAC I B+ V B+ V R V C V L | ---| | 20.00 1.0 14.2 V B+ 14.20 * | | 19.70 2.0 15.0 V B+ 14.08 * | | 19.45 3.0 15.8 V B+ 14.01 * | | 18.80 4.0 16.3 V B+ 14.00 * | | 16.15 7.5 16.5 V B+ 13.95 * | The following data shows the effect of increasing the power input voltage to 22.38 volts while keeping the C terminal settings as set last in the previous data set. | VAC I B+ V B+ V R V C V L | ---| | 22.38 5.2 16.2 V B+ 14.00 * | Terminal C open circuit experiment. Only the Tenma meter (a high impedance digital meter) was connected to the C terminal. Conclusion: Opening the circuit to terminal C shuts down the regulator output regardless of the input voltage. | VAC I B+ V B+ V R V C V L | ---| | 0.0 to 16.37 0 12.5 V B+ -.02 * | | 20.17 0 12.5 V B+ -.05 * | | 29.93 0 12.5 V B+ -.14 * | | 42.09 0 12.5 V B+ -.25 * | | 50.00 0 12.5 V B+ -.33 * | Terminal B+ open circuit experiment. i.e., I B+ =0 In this case the R and B+ terminals were shorted together and measured with the Micronta analog meter. The Pot wiper was connected to the device control terminal and was powered directly from the battery. The Tenma meter was used to measure the C terminal voltage. The first set of data is with the battery voltage on the C terminal. As is evident the battery, having a bad cell, is somewhat discharged. This data set shows the output voltages of the regulator can exceed the safe operating voltages of most avionics if the control terminal "C" and charging terminal "B+" get separated. | VAC I B+ V B+ V R V C V L | ---| | 8.65 0 17.8 V B+ 11.82 * | | 9.97 0 19.3 V B+ 11.94 * | | 11.09 0 20.2 V B+ 11.93 * | | 13.93 0 22.3 V B+ 11.90 * | | 15.14 0 23.3 V B+ 11.91 * | | 16.25 0 24.3 V B+ 11.91 * | This set of data modified the control terminal voltage by adjusting the pot and leaving the AC power setting constant. | VAC I B+ V B+ V R V C V L | ---| | 16.27 0 23.3 V B+ 10.85 * | | 16.29 0 21.3 V B+ 8.78 * | | 16.30 0 20.3 V B+ 7.82 * | Terminal R voltage change experiment. Another experiment was conducted where only the voltage on the R terminal was changed. In this circuit set up the 500 ohm pot wiper was connected to the R terminal of the device and the C terminal was shorted to the B+ terminal. No significant voltage change on the R terminal could be established until the terminal was grounded whereupon sparks flew in the pot. This terminal was clearly at the B+ potential and could drive into the very low impedance of the pot. (By the way the 20 amp fuse in the VAC circuit blew) This circuit was rewired to remove the voltage on the C terminal. The current output of the device was zero, consistent with the control by the C terminal Terminal R open circuit experiment. The regulator is chopping the current when the voltage gets above 16.0 volts. | VAC I B+ V B+ V R V C V L | ---| | 0 0 12.8 12.81 V B+ * | | 9.533 0 12.8 12.68 V B+ * | | 10.90 0 12.8 12.77 V B+ * | | 11.50 >0 13.3 13.58 V B+ * | | 11.96 1.0 13.3 13.75 V B+ * | | 13.05 0.9 13.3 13.99 V B+ * | | 14.06 0.9 13.8 14.02 V B+ * | | 14.90 0.82 13.8 14.03 V B+ * | | 16.00 0.82 13.8 14.05 V B+ * | | 18.05 0.82 13.8 14.15 V B+ * | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Tires
Date: Nov 17, 2000
I went with the Matco wheels, brakes, and the Chinese junk tires that come with them. Figured the tires would probably last long enuf to break in the plane, etc., then go ahead and get the ones that John has. Not sure what they were originally intended for, but he sure likes them, and I don't "think" they thump, etc. I've asked him to post info about them on the List, but so far, he hasn't done that. Probably don't need all that width, and I'm sure you're right, since you're out there, doing that, but John's tires sure look sexy. I'm a long way from needing them yet, so lot's of time to change my mind. Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:35 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Tires > > Sorry , I thought you posted a question about wheelbarrow wheels. I had > "tundra" tires on the plane. Had a hard time getting them to balance, > thump. thump, very annoying. I land on dirt roads and playas in the desert > regularly and have a pretty good idea what works. The only difference > between the two for that purpose that I can tell, is it's much easier to > turn the plane with the aero trainers. If the tundra types are real tires, > they should perform equally well. > Best Regards, > Dave Rains > > -----Original Message----- > From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:00 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Tires > > > > > >Hmmmmmmm.................not sure how I got mixed into that, but I sure > >don't have the "wheelbarrow" tires. I like the sounds of the ones you're > >talking about, but I think I'm still gonna go with the ones that John Wood, > >from San Diego, found for his FireStar. They're about the same diameter, > >but at least twice the width. Real "Tundra" tires, and very impressive to > >me. Off-Road Lar. > > > >--- > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2000
From: Mike Pierzina <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Aileron Tube & Trailing Edge Tube
I'm ready to put the hinges on the wing & aileron on my Firestar II , BUT.... the manual sez to put a 3/4" space between the tubes... My " Aileron Control Horn" makes the space 1".... Is the bolt welded 1/4" too far ? Gotta Fly... Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net>
Subject: Laser Levels
Date: Nov 17, 2000
I just went to the local Tool Central and bought a 16 inch Laser Level. Got it home and checked it for accuracy. To get it to move the bubble from one line to the other I had to raise the thing 3/8 of an inch on one end.. If I used this to build my wings, which is what I intended to do, the wings could have a 2 1/2 to 3 inch warp in them. It is a GRIP brand which is Grand Rapids Industrial Products. Cost only $29.95 but is useless for our projects. I will go back to my trusty machinist level that is rated at .005 inch per foot per graduation. I quess it is not wise to try to save money on tools when building something that your life will depend on. Ron Payne Building FireStar II ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2000
From: Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Subject: Re: Laser Levels
> > To get it to move the bubble from one >line to the other I had to raise the thing 3/8 of an inch on one end.. If I >used this to build my wings, which is what I intended to do, the wings could >have a 2 1/2 to 3 inch warp in them. That is taking it to extremes. Usually you determine accuracy of the bubble by judging how far it is from a line not the total possible error. If you try for extreme accuracy you will be chasing the bubble forever and the aircraft may not fly any better. You will also have to tape that level to a 50'' length of tubing to be able to build the wings. Would be nice if Kolb could reduce the distance between the front and rear tubes to be 48' so that a standard 4' level could be used. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2000
From: Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Subject: missing messages
Has anyone else tried to post messages but not have them post to the list. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: missing messages
Date: Nov 17, 2000
I've had several non-deliverable returns lately, Woody. Some were on replies, which usually go thru, but in any case, many more than usual. I'd thought it was a problem with my server, ( MSN ) which is proving to have feet of clay. Not ALL bad, but not as good as my previous experience with earthlink. That $400.00 rebate was a powerful incentive, but now I'm not so sure. Becoming Dis-Illusioned Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woody" <duesouth(at)govital.net> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: Kolb-List: missing messages > > Has anyone else tried to post messages but not have them post to the list. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Nov 17, 2000
"Kolb-List: missing messages" (Nov 17, 5:11pm)
Subject: Re: missing messages
>-------------- > >Has anyone else tried to post messages but not have them post to the list. >-------------- I had a incoming filter problem last night (Thursday) between about their data. I noted maybe 5 or 6 messages on the combined RV, Kolb, and Zenith lists that got gobbled up because of it. I'm not aware of any problems today (Friday). Sorry 'bout that... Matt -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft Great minds discuss ideas, Average minds discuss events, Small minds discuss people... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Off List
Date: Nov 17, 2000
This isn't Kolb related, so I'd appreciate a reply off List. I bought a new recliner chair, and it pushes back too easy. No springs, it's something in the linkage/mechanical advantage system, so if anyone out there is familiar with these things, please reply off List. Thanks. Warranty people are "supposed" to be here next week, to look at it, but it's driving me nuts NOW, and who knows just when they'll get here, or if they know what they're doing. Lazy Lar. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: missing messages
Date: Nov 17, 2000
Guess I shoulda been more specific.................these were general messages, not just to the List. Don't recall any problems here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: missing messages > > I've had several non-deliverable returns lately, Woody. Some were on > replies, which usually go thru, but in any case, many more than usual. I'd > thought it was a problem with my server, ( MSN ) which is proving to have > feet of clay. Not ALL bad, but not as good as my previous experience with > earthlink. That $400.00 rebate was a powerful incentive, but now I'm not > so sure. Becoming Dis-Illusioned Lar. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Woody" <duesouth(at)govital.net> > To: > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:55 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: missing messages > > > > > > Has anyone else tried to post messages but not have them post to the list. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Laser Levels
Date: Nov 17, 2000
Ron, My wife bought me a digital Smart Level many years ago, it reads in tenths of degrees and is perfect for our purposes, the three foot one is ideal. Denny -----Original Message----- From: Ron or Mary Payne <ronormar(at)apex.net> Date: Friday, November 17, 2000 6:42 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Laser Levels > >I just went to the local Tool Central and bought a 16 inch Laser Level. Got >it home and checked it for accuracy. To get it to move the bubble from one >line to the other I had to raise the thing 3/8 of an inch on one end.. If I >used this to build my wings, which is what I intended to do, the wings could >have a 2 1/2 to 3 inch warp in them. It is a GRIP brand which is Grand >Rapids Industrial Products. Cost only $29.95 but is useless for our >projects. I will go back to my trusty machinist level that is rated at .005 >inch per foot per graduation. I quess it is not wise to try to save money >on tools when building something that your life will depend on. > >Ron Payne >Building FireStar II > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2000
From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject: Re: Laser Levels
To get away from all these problems I built my wings on a false wall. By using one tygon tube water level, and three plumb bobs, you can keep the wing flat and square within a 1/16th of an inch. It also has the advantage that you can pop rivet from both sides with out having to bend over. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO > > >> >> To get it to move the bubble from one >>line to the other I had to raise the thing 3/8 of an inch on one end.. If I >>used this to build my wings, which is what I intended to do, the wings could >>have a 2 1/2 to 3 inch warp in them. > > That is taking it to extremes. Usually you determine accuracy of the >bubble by judging how far it is from a line not the total possible error. >If you try for extreme accuracy you will be chasing the bubble forever and >the aircraft may not fly any better. You will also have to tape that level >to a 50'' length of tubing to be able to build the wings. Would be nice if >Kolb could reduce the distance between the front and rear tubes to be 48' >so that a standard 4' level could be used. > > Jack & Louise Hart jbhart(at)ldd.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2000
From: Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Subject: Re: pol message overflow
We all have our own version of truth based on our upbringing and culture. Get over not everybody having the same religious or political position as you. If it isn't Kolb or aviation related find the proper venue for it where people will be more appreciative of your opinions.. >It may not be the right place, but the truth is never drivel. >Get over it. >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (42OldPoops) >Kingsport, Tn > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2000
From: Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Subject: Re: "GORE, CONCEDE NOW!"
> >Woody, > >God bless America & God bless the Kolb list & God bless those who don't know >they are. How about letting Buddha, Krishna, Kali,, Satan, Zeus, and a whole host of other entities real or imagined get into the act also. Same as political opinions religious ones are not easily accepted by those of a different belief and can be taken as just down right insulting. Lets keep it to flying. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jcjbryant(at)cs.com
Date: Nov 18, 2000
Subject: your story on kolb list
hi, I saw an intro to your story on your Kolb but don't know how to retrieve the entire posting from the list. Could you sent it off-line or tell me how to get it from the list? Thanks, John Kolb wannabe Arvada, Colo. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2000
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org>
Subject: Re: your story on kolb list
What story do you refer to? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >hi, >I saw an intro to your story on your Kolb but don't know how to retrieve the >entire posting from the list. >Could you sent it off-line or tell me how to get it from the list? > >Thanks, John >Kolb wannabe >Arvada, Colo. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Waligroski, Gregg" <Gregg.Waligroski(at)pantellos.com>
Subject: Website attempt -repost
Date: Nov 18, 2000
I apologize in advance if this is a repeat but someone informed me that my original post on the 16th may not have taken hold. I finally posted some photos on a website (surprisingly not too hard to do) of flying in Colorado. Hopefully I will get to add some more pictures later but they are all in storage somewhere in Texas while I am homeless during my relocation to Spring, Texas. http://kolbultralight.homestead.com/ Gregg Waligroski ex Kolb'n in Colorado Kolb'n next in Texas? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2000
From: Eugene H Zimmerman <tehz(at)redrose.net>
Subject: Re: pol message overflow
Ed Chmielewski wrote: > > > Richard, > Sorry if I trod on any toes in the past, friends, etc, but the Kolb > list is not the place to trot out politics. I enjoy the list for what it > is, and don't want my time taken up by non-Kolb posts. The truth is what > each of us believes it to be, just because this individual believes it > doesn't make it true. I believe Kolbs are safe, not everyone I know > believes so but that doesn't shake my belief. > Over it, and out. > Ed, your statement "The truth is what each of us believes it to be," is that a true statement? What standard do you use to claim it to be the truth? Is it true merely because YOU said it? It seems to me that what you said about "beliefs" is true, but what you said about "truth" is untrue. Just my belief Eugene :) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2000
From: WILLIAM D BRADSHAW <PIPERJ5(at)shtc.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron Tube & Trailing Edge Tube
>I'm ready to put the hinges on the wing & aileron on my >Firestar II , BUT.... the manual sez to put a 3/4" space >between the tubes... My " Aileron Control Horn" makes the >space 1".... Is the bolt welded 1/4" too far ? Mine was like that too. The aileron tube bows a little between the inboard hinge and the horn. Guess it's supposed to be that way. I've been reading this list for about a year and have never heard anyone mention a tool called a hinge attachment shim. Look at Dean Halstead's web page before you try to attach the hinges. Wish I had known about this shim before I put mine on. www.calweb.com/~deanbo/kolb/hinge_shims.htm Good Luck, Danny Bradshaw McBee, S.C. Firestar, 503, EIS,IVO, 25.8 hrs. PS Dean's web address is on the 11-12-2000 Kolb list in case this one dosen't work. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Aileron Tube & Trailing Edge Tube
Date: Nov 18, 2000
The shims shown in Dean's picture work extremely well, with one caveat: When drilling the holes, the drill must be EXACTLY square to the work. Apparently mine wasn't in at least some of the holes, and when I put in the clecoes, and pulled out the shims, the tubes "jumped" about 1/8" closer together. Fuss and Furor and Nasty Language.................then got to checking, and everything cleared, and worked correctly, so I calmed down a bit and went ahead with construction. Biggest hassle then, was making sure they were ALL out the same amount. I don't mind a "little" glitch, that doesn't hurt anything, but I want them even, side to side. If I remember right, the shims are detailed in the Mk III instructions. Mine looked just like Dean's, and even with great minds running in the same circles......................?? I also cut some "shims" out of 5/8" pressboard, to back up the aluminum ones. The aluminum shims tended to flop sideways under pressure. Big Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM D BRADSHAW" <PIPERJ5(at)shtc.net> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron Tube & Trailing Edge Tube > > >I'm ready to put the hinges on the wing & aileron on my >Firestar II , > BUT.... the manual sez to put a 3/4" space >between the tubes... My " > Aileron Control Horn" makes the >space 1".... Is the bolt welded 1/4" too > far ? > > Mine was like that too. The aileron tube bows a little > between the inboard hinge and the horn. Guess it's > supposed to be that way. I've been reading this list for > about a year and have never heard anyone mention a tool > called a hinge attachment shim. Look at Dean Halstead's > web page before you try to attach the hinges. Wish I had > known about this shim before I put mine on. > www.calweb.com/~deanbo/kolb/hinge_shims.htm > > Good Luck, > Danny Bradshaw > McBee, S.C. > Firestar, 503, EIS,IVO, 25.8 hrs. > > PS Dean's web address is on the 11-12-2000 > Kolb list in case this one dosen't work. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Hinges, again
Date: Nov 18, 2000
As an add-on to the last message about hinge shims, I also took the advice of several on the List a couple of years ago, and put a section of hinge on the inboard end of the aileron tube as well. Not specified in the plans, and apparently works OK without them, but to my eyes, it seems to make things more solid and secure, and with only a tiny weight penalty. Lar. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry & Karen Cottrel" <lcottrel(at)kfalls.net>
Subject: cht's and possibile indicator of carbon buildup?
Date: Nov 18, 2000
List; I just completed decarboning my 447 today. I have been using Rotax synthetic oil at a cost of $28.00 bucks a gal. I managed 93 hours between decarbon. There was very little carbon on the front piston, a bit more on the back, but the rings were beginning to stick a bit. Now to the interesting part- Sometime this late summer I noticed that the cht's were down! Only about 25 to 50 degrees but definately down from what I considered to be normal. It seemed to take longer to warm the engine up enough to fly. Checked every thing from the guage to the sensor- nothing wrong. Just today it occurred to me that a ring that is sticking will not produce as much heat as one that is working will. Therefore the change indicated the time that I should have begun my decarbon or I shudder to say SEAFOAM!!!! I have been monitoring my engine performance for some time for evidence that the rings were sticking. I have to admit that each time that I fly it is a test of the planes performance since I have to climb 800 feet to even get out of the bowl where I fly, but I was not sure until just recently that the performance was down. Has anyone else observed anything like this? It will be some time before I am able to get back into the air again since I am doing my annual (it was 15 degrees this morn) and I intend to do some things that I have been putting off. Like a heater..... So wind up the analytical minds, whadaya think? Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jgw300" <jgw300(at)netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron Tube & Trailing Edge Tube
Date: Nov 18, 2000
I played around in my shop...I made a "T" out of one inch aluminum bar. I should work without any twisting, etc. Time will tell....I don't see why wood wouldn't work just as well, and a lot easier for the average shop. Julian Warren, Eugene,Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron Tube & Trailing Edge Tube > > The shims shown in Dean's picture work extremely well, with one caveat: > When drilling the holes, the drill must be EXACTLY square to the work. > Apparently mine wasn't in at least some of the holes, and when I put in the > clecoes, and pulled out the shims, the tubes "jumped" about 1/8" closer > together. Fuss and Furor and Nasty Language.................then got to > checking, and everything cleared, and worked correctly, so I calmed down a > bit and went ahead with construction. Biggest hassle then, was making sure > they were ALL out the same amount. I don't mind a "little" glitch, that > doesn't hurt anything, but I want them even, side to side. If I remember > right, the shims are detailed in the Mk III instructions. Mine looked just > like Dean's, and even with great minds running in the same > circles......................?? I also cut some "shims" out of 5/8" > pressboard, to back up the aluminum ones. The aluminum shims tended to flop > sideways under pressure. Big Lar. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILLIAM D BRADSHAW" <PIPERJ5(at)shtc.net> > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 7:31 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron Tube & Trailing Edge Tube > > > > > > >I'm ready to put the hinges on the wing & aileron on my >Firestar II , > > BUT.... the manual sez to put a 3/4" space >between the tubes... My " > > Aileron Control Horn" makes the >space 1".... Is the bolt welded 1/4" > too > > far ? > > > > Mine was like that too. The aileron tube bows a little > > between the inboard hinge and the horn. Guess it's > > supposed to be that way. I've been reading this list for > > about a year and have never heard anyone mention a tool > > called a hinge attachment shim. Look at Dean Halstead's > > web page before you try to attach the hinges. Wish I had > > known about this shim before I put mine on. > > www.calweb.com/~deanbo/kolb/hinge_shims.htm > > > > Good Luck, > > Danny Bradshaw > > McBee, S.C. > > Firestar, 503, EIS,IVO, 25.8 hrs. > > > > PS Dean's web address is on the 11-12-2000 > > Kolb list in case this one dosen't work. > > > > > > Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Mail
Date: Nov 19, 2000
I'm a little puzzled. As usual. Last night I sent out 2 replies to the question on aileron hinges. This morning, those replies were on my email, along with a reply from Julian. Yet, both messages also came back from "Postmaster" as non-deliverable mail. Wha' hoppen ?? Confuzzled Lar. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2000
Subject: Re: Aileron Tube & Trailing Edge Tube
From: Ray L Baker <rbaker2(at)juno.com>
How about a piece of welding rod fitted thru holes drilled across a piece of 5/8th PVC for the T and then another hole drilled at 90 degrees to accomodate the hinge pin? Cheap, quick and tends to stay in place. L. Ray Baker Lake Butler, Fl Building Mark III, SN M1156--N629RB > > I played around in my shop...I made a "T" out of one inch aluminum > bar. I > should work without any twisting, etc. Time will tell....I don't > see why > wood wouldn't work just as well, and a lot easier for the average > shop. > > Julian Warren, > Eugene,Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cooley" <johnc(at)datasync.com>
Subject: Archives
Date: Nov 19, 2000
HI gang, I have been trying to do some searching in the archives and am having very little luck. I have been getting a "can't open archive" message and sometimes the I get the page time-out message. Has anyone else had this problem. It's happened to me for the past two days. Thanks, John Cooley Building FS II #1162 Lucedale, Mississisppi ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net>
Subject: PAY Atention
Date: Nov 19, 2000
In the builders manual, it says to use the shortest tubes you have when you get ready to cut one. This makes sense but it didn't dawn on me that this refered to the tubes as you get them from Kolb. I had decided that the best way to protect the tubes was to leave them in the card board tube that they came packed in and just take out the ones that I was getting ready to use. Building the tail feathers I needed both 7/8 inch by .058 inch wall and 1 inch by .058 inch wall. Pulled out these tubes and cut them to the length I needed and assembled the tail. Today I started to build the drag strut for one wing. I had enough of these size tubes to build one drag strut. However for the other drag strut I have the right amount of tube but in 4 short pieces instead of 2 long pieces. My fault. I now will get to buy some aluminum tubing. This is on a FireStar II. Just a sugestion for other FireStar builders that have not gotten to the drag strut yet. Ron Payne Gilbertsville, Ky. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Geoff Thistlethwaite" <geoffthis(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: PAY Atention
Date: Nov 19, 2000
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 12:42 PM Subject: Kolb-List: PAY Atention > > In the builders manual, it says to use the shortest tubes you have when you > get ready to cut one. This makes sense but it didn't dawn on me that this > refered to the tubes as you get them from Kolb. I had decided that the best > way to protect the tubes was to leave them in the card board tube that they > came packed in and just take out the ones that I was getting ready to use. I did the same except I cut the length of one cardboard tube, about 1/4 - 1/3 of the circumference, and mounted it on the wall of the shop where I could see what was available to be cut. You can then mark the cardboard tube in lengths to get an idea what you have to work with Geoff ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Nov 19, 2000
"Kolb-List: Archives" (Nov 19, 11:18am)
Subject: Re: Archives
I just tried the search engine and it seems to be working fine...? Matt >-------------- > >HI gang, > I have been trying to do some searching in the archives and am having >very little luck. I have been getting a "can't open archive" message and >sometimes the I get the page time-out message. Has anyone else had this >problem. It's happened to me for the past two days. > >Thanks, >John Cooley >Building FS II #1162 >Lucedale, Mississisppi > > >-------------- -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft Great minds discuss ideas, Average minds discuss events, Small minds discuss people... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: PAY Atention
Date: Nov 19, 2000
I ran into sort of the same problem on the wing bow. I came up short of .750 x .380 tubes. And then the first one I went to bend kinked right away. Any suggestions on doing that bend? Kolb will be getting an order from me for the tube replacements. I seem to find the only other piece that uses the .750 x .380 is on the vertical stabilizer. Oh, well its coming along fine and I'm pleased with my craft. Wish it would warm up down here. It's barely getting into the sixties and kind of cold to do much work out in the garage. Ken Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:42 AM Subject: Kolb-List: PAY Atention > > In the builders manual, it says to use the shortest tubes you have when you > get ready to cut one. This makes sense but it didn't dawn on me that this > refered to the tubes as you get them from Kolb. I had decided that the best > way to protect the tubes was to leave them in the card board tube that they > came packed in and just take out the ones that I was getting ready to use. > Building the tail feathers I needed both 7/8 inch by .058 inch wall and 1 > inch by .058 inch wall. Pulled out these tubes and cut them to the length I > needed and assembled the tail. Today I started to build the drag strut for > one wing. I had enough of these size tubes to build one drag strut. > However for the other drag strut I have the right amount of tube but in 4 > short pieces instead of 2 long pieces. My fault. I now will get to buy > some aluminum tubing. This is on a FireStar II. Just a sugestion for other > FireStar builders that have not gotten to the drag strut yet. > > Ron Payne > Gilbertsville, Ky. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: PAY Atention
Date: Nov 19, 2000
Pheeee-eeeeww ! ! ! And here I've been glad it's dropped below 100. Different strokes for different folks. 'Course, it's been in the mid 60's here, the extra few degrees makes a big difference. If you guys get away with just 1 or 2 extra pieces of tubing, you're doing real well. I've bought several. And aluminum sheet. And lexan. And..................! ! ! Bent my wingtip bow around an old bicycle wheel. By Hand ! ! ! Believe me, I now appreciate how strong that stuff is. Relieved Lar. Palm Springs, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: PAY Atention > > I ran into sort of the same problem on the wing bow. I came up short of > .750 x .380 tubes. And then the first one I went to bend kinked right away. > Any suggestions on doing that bend? Kolb will be getting an order from me > for the tube replacements. I seem to find the only other piece that uses > the .750 x .380 is on the vertical stabilizer. Oh, well its coming along > fine and I'm pleased with my craft. Wish it would warm up down here. It's > barely getting into the sixties and kind of cold to do much work out in the > garage. > Ken > Tucson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net> > To: "Kolb" > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:42 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: PAY Atention > > > > > > In the builders manual, it says to use the shortest tubes you have when > you > > get ready to cut one. This makes sense but it didn't dawn on me that this > > refered to the tubes as you get them from Kolb. I had decided that the > best > > way to protect the tubes was to leave them in the card board tube that > they > > came packed in and just take out the ones that I was getting ready to use. > > Building the tail feathers I needed both 7/8 inch by .058 inch wall and 1 > > inch by .058 inch wall. Pulled out these tubes and cut them to the length > I > > needed and assembled the tail. Today I started to build the drag strut > for > > one wing. I had enough of these size tubes to build one drag strut. > > However for the other drag strut I have the right amount of tube but in 4 > > short pieces instead of 2 long pieces. My fault. I now will get to buy > > some aluminum tubing. This is on a FireStar II. Just a sugestion for > other > > FireStar builders that have not gotten to the drag strut yet. > > > > Ron Payne > > Gilbertsville, Ky. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Timandjan(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 19, 2000
Subject: Bending tubes
I made jigs for everything and the bends all came out great. I also used one of those cheap Harbor Freight tubing benders to bend all the small tubing. I made all the pieces with 90 degree bends instead of having them protrude up on the top of the other tubes. I believe option 3 on the plans. Lots of work, but worked great. Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flyul01(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 19, 2000
Subject: Re: PAY Atention
In a message dated 11/19/00 8:53:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!, spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net writes: << It's barely getting into the sixties and kind of cold to do much work out in the garage. >> Ken, WoW! I wish it was that warm here in SD. I've got to build a new shed so I can build my plane. 60's would be a heat wave!!!! Weve been in the 20's for the last 3 weeks or so, now thats too cold to work outside. Jerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2000
From: Annamarie <vincentam(at)chartermi.net>
Subject: Re: PAY Atention
Sixties! The last time we saw sixties around here, everyone was wearing shorts and had their air-conditioning on! This morning it was 17 degrees F and snowing. We love your Southern weather, but we also love flying in the snow and landing on the frozen lakes. I will be putting my skies on my Firestar II very soon. Bill Vincent Quinnesec, Upper Peninsula of Michigan Ken Broste wrote: > > > I ran into sort of the same problem on the wing bow. I came up short of > .750 x .380 tubes. And then the first one I went to bend kinked right away. > Any suggestions on doing that bend? Kolb will be getting an order from me > for the tube replacements. I seem to find the only other piece that uses > the .750 x .380 is on the vertical stabilizer. Oh, well its coming along > fine and I'm pleased with my craft. Wish it would warm up down here. It's > barely getting into the sixties and kind of cold to do much work out in the > garage. > Ken > Tucson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net> > To: "Kolb" > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:42 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: PAY Atention > > > > > In the builders manual, it says to use the shortest tubes you have when > you > > get ready to cut one. This makes sense but it didn't dawn on me that this > > refered to the tubes as you get them from Kolb. I had decided that the > best > > way to protect the tubes was to leave them in the card board tube that > they > > came packed in and just take out the ones that I was getting ready to use. > > Building the tail feathers I needed both 7/8 inch by .058 inch wall and 1 > > inch by .058 inch wall. Pulled out these tubes and cut them to the length > I > > needed and assembled the tail. Today I started to build the drag strut > for > > one wing. I had enough of these size tubes to build one drag strut. > > However for the other drag strut I have the right amount of tube but in 4 > > short pieces instead of 2 long pieces. My fault. I now will get to buy > > some aluminum tubing. This is on a FireStar II. Just a sugestion for > other > > FireStar builders that have not gotten to the drag strut yet. > > > > Ron Payne > > Gilbertsville, Ky. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2000
From: Annamarie <vincentam(at)chartermi.net>
Subject: Re: Another lurker surfaces
Hi Gene Read your message, and I thought you might be interested in contacting a good friend of mine who spends his winters in Florida. His name is Don Williamson, 740 Sea Palm Lane, Satellite Beach, Florida, 32937 ( we don't have his telephone number ). Don recently sold his Kolb Firestar, he is an expert Kolb pilot and a retired Navy pilot. Don is extremely friendly, in the past years he trailer his Kolb to Florida from Michigan. If you have any questions I am sure Don would be very helpful. You can tell Don I gave you this information. I also fly a Firestar II, and love it. Happy flying!!! Bill Vincent Qinnesec, Michigan GDLedbette(at)aol.com wrote: > > > Kolbers, > > I've been reading the group's email for several months now and since I soloe> d > my new Firefly yesterday, it's time to come out of the closet. > > My story is rather long so you should hit delete now if you have no interest> . > > I lost my wife to breast cancer in March of 1999 (married 43 years) and in > looking around for something to help me cope with being a new widower, I > decided to learn to fly and started lessons. > > I went to a local FAA doc who did the normal quick and easy physical but > since I was a recent type 2 diabetic (it runs in the family) and had bypass > surgery in 1991, I was required to provide specific information on both > problems. > > My cardiologist forwarded the requested documentation and my GP did the same> > concerning the type 2 diabetes.That was in June.I got a request from> the > FAA in August for a more recent stress test.So I arranged for the stress> > test, had no problems, and that was forwarded to OK City in early September.> >Well, I finally started calling OK City weekly trying to follow the progr> ess > of my request.In the meantime, I was building up flying hours without th> e > benefit of being able to solo and fly alone since I still didn't have the FA> A > Student License. > > The first week of December came and along with it the notice from the FAA > that they were refusing my physical because of some medication I was taking.> >Needless to say, the question that came to mind was:"If you are going> to > flunk me because of medications, why did you ask for a more recent stress > test and let me continue spending my good dollars for 5 additional months." >Needless to say, I was really pissed but had to leave for my annual Flori> da > vacation and didn't have the time or mentality at that time to start a fight> . >I live in Cincinnati, retired in 1991 and deserve to spend the winters in> > Florida. > > Returning home in March and reviewing the situation, my son asked if I had > ever considered an ultralight.I knew nothing about FAR103 at that time b> ut > started looking and to make a long story short decided that the Firefly > looked like the only selection for me, visited Kolb and LiteSpeed and > contracted with LiteSpeed to build the whole bird.I'll be 71 in January=20> and > really didn't have the time to build since I'd much rather be flying. My sol> o > flight yesterday was the culmination of this effort and the mental high was > indescribable. > > So I join the ranks of Kolb flyers and look forward to many hours of > pleasure.I will be trailering to Florida in January and hope to see many> of > you at Sun and Fun.. > > I forgot to mention that I did some transition training at Kolb with Norm > last Saturday and Wednesday morning in the new Kolbra trainer before driving> > to Stanton for the climax of the day.Thanks again Norm, it was awesome! > > Gene Ledbetter > Firefly 00-2-00018, both canopies, big wheels and brakes, Ivo 2 blade > Cincinnati, OH > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Fw: Firefly story, permission to post
Date: Nov 19, 2000
Kolbers: Brett Williams, over in Carolina, sent this little story to me a month or two back... Seemed to me it contained some good insights... Thought I'd pass it along... Beauford FF 076 ----- Original Message ----- From: "williams brett" <dbwilliams52(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 9:31 AM Subject: Firefly story, permission to post > Beuford, Permission granted to post this, I hope someone can gleen some > knowledge from the story. Sorry, it took so long to get back to you, but I > have been out of the country. > > > Beauford, > Well I guess I'll tell you my story about crashing my beautiful Firefly. > Let me first say, that I am not a builder. I bought the Firefly from one > of my buddies at the airport I hang out at. I got some ground instruction > and made about 10 take-offs and landings with very little x-wind. I made > half on the grass runway and half on asphalt. The grass was beating up the > little Firefly somewhat(small little itty-bitty tires we spoke of earlier). > Well, I decide to go on about a 1 and half hour x-cntry. When I arrived > back at the airport the wind was a direct x-wind for the asphalt and right > down the runway for the grass. Well, I fly C-130's for a living and an > 8-10knot x-wind is a day in the park. Well I guess you see where this is > going! I have time in various small aircraft but hadn't been flying light > aircraft in a while. In the C-130 we put the wing into the wind(landing in > a crab hurts the Herk). Well I did this in the Firefly. The wind was from > the left and was coming over the trees. I was at about 20 AGL on final, > left wing low, most of the right rudder, and suddenly I guess I was below > the tree line and the combination of gusty wind and the rotor effect below > the tree line caused what I will describe next. Seemingly in slow-motion my > left wing lifted. I had no more aileron left. My speed was 50mph. I saw > the ground was rushing up. I switched to full left rudder and full power > and was now perpendicular to the asphalt runway and parallel to the grass > runway in an open field. I got the wings level before I hit. The landing > was very hard, but I knew I was going to fly right out of it. The grass in > the field was about 1 1/2ft high. Unfortunately for me, and the Firefly, a > 3ft ditch was hidden by the grass, and yes, I bent both gear legs at right > angles, removed all of the left wing-tip outboard of the main spar, sheared > the rudder pedals off with my feet, crushed the nose cone, bent the frame, > full power so it nosed over all on its own and tore up the 3 bladed prop. I > was upside down. I made sure that my arms and legs and neck weren't broke. > I was hanging there looking through the Lexan thinking about how lucky I > was. I felt that I was really sweating, man I'm really all wet, wow I'm > getting soaked with fuel!!! I punched the seatbelt release and tore out the > Lexan and landed on my face. Well, I started the "walk of shame" toward > the FBO and had to cross a barbed wire fence. I snagged my favorite pair of > shorts and cut my leg and again landed on my face in a ditch. Well, any > way, the original owner decided to rebuild it for me. I know have sort of a > Frankenfly. It fly's great and I have about 50hrs. on it and am a lot > better at crosswinds. I try to hold about 60 on significant x-winds. Like > you said, the fly has no inertia, so when you pull the power you better be > pushing the nose down right then or you won't be flying much longer. I have > a lot of confidence in the Fly, and realize that it was my inexperience in > the aircraft that caused the crash. The fella's at the airport still give > me grief for being so dumb, but somebody crashed about six months later and > took a lot of heat off of me! My father is building a Firestar II and he > attended the last two fly-ins. I was planning on meeting him at the one > last month but the weather really sucked so I had to stay home. I am one > humbled heavy airplane pilot and wouldn't tell this story, but I would hope > someone would benefit from it. Like I said, I am very comfortable flying > the Firefly and I think it is a great design. The new wheels really do a > lot better on rough fields, and the plexiglass gap spacer has really > improved performance. I now run a two-bladed prop, it idles smoothly at > 2500 instead of 2000, but climb and cruise improved. It cruised at 60mph > @5500 with the three blade and 60mph @ 5200 with 2 blade then I added the > plexiglass spacer and I'm at about 65mph at the same rpm, I guess it gets > more lift than the flimsy cloth spacer, which by the way, I had to reach up > and pull it out of from around the engine when the glue on the velcro gave > out!! Oh yeah, I was turning base when that happened. > Well, I hope you are not laughing > too hard. Brett Williams > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wood, John T." <woodjt(at)spawar.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Tires
Date: Nov 20, 2000
Larry; Did you walk around the ultralight area when you were at copperstate? The guy I purchased my tires and wheels and brakes from had a booth at the opposite end from where my trailer was located on the flightline. He sells nationwide I will get he info and post it if anyone is interested. I could send pictures too. My tires are 6 x 18 and I carry 4.5 lbs of pressure. When I finised my plane, I was looking at the problem that gets posted about bending the gear legs and was discussing this with some of my coworkers. One of the guys has dunebuggies and he simply lets a little of the air out of the tires to act a shock absorber. It works very well. I have over 200 landings on the original set of gear legs and not all my landings have been perfect. The plane does not bounce as long as I make the landings at the correct speed and angle. I also do most of my landing as wheel landings. As to the out of balance condition, there appears to be a little but is is minimal. I simply hit the brake once in the air and that kills the wheel spinning. John N670JW -----Original Message----- From: larrybiglar [mailto:larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:28 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Tires I went with the Matco wheels, brakes, and the Chinese junk tires that come with them. Figured the tires would probably last long enuf to break in the plane, etc., then go ahead and get the ones that John has. Not sure what they were originally intended for, but he sure likes them, and I don't "think" they thump, etc. I've asked him to post info about them on the List, but so far, he hasn't done that. Probably don't need all that width, and I'm sure you're right, since you're out there, doing that, but John's tires sure look sexy. I'm a long way from needing them yet, so lot's of time to change my mind. Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:35 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Tires > > Sorry , I thought you posted a question about wheelbarrow wheels. I had > "tundra" tires on the plane. Had a hard time getting them to balance, > thump. thump, very annoying. I land on dirt roads and playas in the desert > regularly and have a pretty good idea what works. The only difference > between the two for that purpose that I can tell, is it's much easier to > turn the plane with the aero trainers. If the tundra types are real tires, > they should perform equally well. > Best Regards, > Dave Rains > > -----Original Message----- > From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:00 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Tires > > > > > >Hmmmmmmm.................not sure how I got mixed into that, but I sure > >don't have the "wheelbarrow" tires. I like the sounds of the ones you're > >talking about, but I think I'm still gonna go with the ones that John Wood, > >from San Diego, found for his FireStar. They're about the same diameter, > >but at least twice the width. Real "Tundra" tires, and very impressive to > >me. Off-Road Lar. > > > >--- > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jrodebush" <jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com>
Subject: cutting tubes
Date: Nov 20, 2000
"In the builders manual, it says to use the shortest tubes you have when you get ready to cut one." The Mark III manual warns about the drag strut and wing bow tubes. If they hadn't spelled it out I'm sure I would not have noticed until too late. Don't know if it's in the Firestar II manual or not. I screwed up the first elevator tube so I have to buy an extra tube for the wing tip anyway. Rody in Cincy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2000
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Tires
For: John Wood Please publish info to contact 6X18 tire provider. Thanks, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wood, John T." <woodjt(at)spawar.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Tires
Date: Nov 20, 2000
The name of the company is starlight. I spoke with owner Bruce Root and he indicated that is has an add in the USUA Utralight Flying Magazine in the manufacturing section. His phone number is 619.266.1076, fax 619.527.4045 John -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck [mailto:hawk36(at)mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 6:27 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Tires For: John Wood Please publish info to contact 6X18 tire provider. Thanks, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Russell" <jr(at)rometool.com>
Subject: Cold weather flying
Date: Nov 20, 2000
Hey Gang, May be of some interest to some, I have been trying to come up with a way of staying warm while flying, without getting involved with all the plumbing, hoses, tubes, etc. Well, I ordered a heated vest, used mostly for riding motorcycles. This vest really works great without bundling up, saturday, I went out flying, it was around 28 deg's. , I wore the vest over a sweat shirt and a light coat over the vest, It was like I was wearing clothing that just came out of the dryer, nice. Thermostat controlled, works off 12v battery. You can go to www.sargentcycle.com/Chillivest.htm. There are others, but this is the only one that claimed that it would not affect other electronics. John ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: What Listers Are Saying...
Date: Nov 20, 2000
Matt, I think what you're doing is great for those of us flying and building Kolb aircraft. You're probably saving Kolb a full time employee in tech support just by providing the communication between builders. I know I have had a half dozen questions answered here on the list and saved Kolb support a few phone calls. You should forward this letter to Kolb, maybe they'd ante up, too. It would be great PR for the TN Kolb a/c. Thanks a bunch, Matt! Ken Broste Building a Firestar Tucson, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:33 AM Subject: Kolb-List: What Listers Are Saying... > > > Dear Listers, > > During this year's List Fund Raiser I have been receiving a number of > very nice comments from members regarding what the Lists mean to them. > I'm sure most everyone can echo one or more of the thoughts expressed > below. Won't you take a moment to make a Contribution to support the > continued operation and improvment of your Lists? > > A special 'thank you' to everyone that has made a contribution so far > and for all of the wonderful and supportive comments I've received! > > > To make a contribution with a credit card over an SSL Secure Web Site, > please go to the following URL: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > or, to make a contribution with a person check, please mail it to: > > Matronics > c/o Matt Dralle > PO Box 347 > Livermore, CA 94551 > > > Thank you!! > > Matt Dralle > Email List Admin. > > > ===================== Comments From List Members ======================== > > > * You helped make this dream a reality... -Terry C. > > * Thanks for a wonderful resource! -Rick J. > > * Thanks for providing a quality product. -Bill C. > > * Have found [the List] invaluable for education while building... -Rick H. > > > * I learn so much from the List! -Robert R. > > * [The List] is better than any aviation magazines I subscribe o. -Roger H. > > * I enjoy the pages and find them very helpful. -Noel G. > > * The "List" is a great place to both receive and exten help and ideas for > building and making flying safer. -Jack B. > > > * The discussions are very helpful. -James B. > > * ...I believe this List will be a better value than the ewsletter. -Roger T. > > * [The List] has helped me with the construction of my RV-9. -Marty S. > > * VERY good reading. Excellent entertainment value. -Jerry I. > > > * [The List] has saved me many hour on wild goose chases. -Billy W. > > * Thanks for keeping my passion for flying as piqued as ever. -Terry W. > > * Keep up the nice work. -Daniel H. > > * Thanks for all the effort on behalf of Sport Aviation! -Elbie M. > > > * ...Great information source! -Richard W. > > * ...Thanks for your help and patience with a very difficult ask. -Louis W. > > * [The List] has been a great asset. -Edward C. > > * Just started and already received some valuable tips. -Scott S. > > > * Thanks for the List to let up share our passion. -Brian A. > > * ...This List is good stuff. -Russ D. > > * ...The single most helpful resource I've come across in uilding. -Craig P. > > * ...Enjoy [the List] a lot. -John H. > > > * The List is a most important tool to help building. -Brad R. > > * ...Really found the List to be great! -Geoff T. > > * Excellent contribution to the aviation community. -Larry B. > > * Great source of information... -William G. > > > * The Lists ... make building a real hoot! -Jeff O. > > * The List has been invaluable. -Matt P. > > * Thanks for letting me use the site. It's great! -Larry M. > > * ...This List has been very helpful. -Larry H. > > > * Greatest support ever for the builders and I have met many riends. -Fred H. > > * ...I love this List and have met many new friends... -Tom E. > > * Love both the List and the Search Engine. -Roy G. > > > ===================== Comments From List Members ======================== > > > -- > > > Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > Great minds discuss ideas, > Average minds discuss events, > Small minds discuss people... > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Tires
Date: Nov 20, 2000
Thanks John. Seems like there's a lot of interest in those tires. Whaddaya think about Willcox ?? Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wood, John T." <woodjt(at)spawar.navy.mil> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:53 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE: Tires > > The name of the company is starlight. I spoke with owner Bruce Root and he > indicated that is has an add in the USUA Utralight Flying Magazine in the > manufacturing section. His phone number is 619.266.1076, fax 619.527.4045 > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hauck [mailto:hawk36(at)mindspring.com] > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 6:27 AM > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Tires > > > For: John Wood > > Please publish info to contact 6X18 tire provider. > > Thanks, > > john h > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Branscomb" <wbrans(at)provide.net>
Subject: Volksplane
Date: Nov 21, 2000
Listers, I am flying a Kolb Twinstar and interested in building a Volksplane. I have a few questions. If anyone knows an owner or builder of a Volksplane, I would like to talk to them Your EAA list might be a likely source of VP owners. Please contact me off list. Any and all help appreciated. Warren Branscomb Belleville, MI Kolb Twinstar Phone 734/699-3867 Fax 734/699-7101 wbrans(at)provide.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Food for Thought
Date: Nov 21, 2000
Here we go again, with ol' Lar hurtin' his skull by trying to think with it. It came necessary yesterday to cut some 1/8" aluminum sheet, and 1 bite with the snips told me to get out the ol' saber saw. I noticed something then, and I've noticed it before, and I'd like some reactions, to see if anyone else has seen the same phenomenom. ( Had to try 3 times just to type that word ) Here it is...............if I put that little B&D junk saw on low speed, and keep the pressure light, it'll saw all day, and cut surprisingly fast. Put it on Hi speed, and that metal cutting blade just chokes up fairly quickly, and fills the teeth up with chips, to where it looks like a smooth, shiny surface with no teeth. Cleaning the teeth is fun and enjoyable, you bet, and then they goober right back up again, plus the blade doesn't seem to last as long. Keep it on Lo speed, and no problems, for a long time. Anyone else notice this ?? Big Lar. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2000
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Food for Thought
Lar and Gang: Your subject reminds me it is time to eat lunch. Seems like the saber saw on high speed is getting the blade and aluminum hot enough to melt into the teeth. Slow speed and slow feed keep the blade and material cooler. Sometimes I use WD-40 to help prevent the saw dust from sticking to the teeth. An old band saw with metal cutting blade and fine teeth does good work on sheet metal and alum tubing. Saves a lot of time and heart ache. BTW: Did anyone on the List get spammed by a gentleman from New Zealand trying to sell Jabiru's? Just curious. I got one from him last night. john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Volksplane
Date: Nov 21, 2000
Friend of mine in Port Angeles built one, and loved it. It was a nice little plane, and flew well, with a direct drive VW engine. He sold it, and the new owner let maintenance sag, then took off into a mighty crosswind, and, as it turned out, loose aileron cables. Friends had begged him not to try it, and offered to drive him the 30 miles home. He wouldn't listen. You know what happened, and it's too bad. Not the planes fault at all, but tell that to his widow, and little daughter. I forwarded your letter to him, so we'll see what he has to say. Saddened Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Branscomb" <wbrans(at)provide.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:46 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Volksplane > > Listers, > I am flying a Kolb Twinstar and interested in building a Volksplane. I have > a few questions. If anyone knows an owner or builder of a Volksplane, I > would like to talk to them Your EAA list might be a likely source of VP > owners. Please contact me off list. Any and all help appreciated. > > Warren Branscomb > Belleville, MI > Kolb Twinstar > Phone 734/699-3867 > Fax 734/699-7101 > wbrans(at)provide.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2000
From: b young <byoung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: tires and wheels
a while back li sent a message to matco in salt lake city utah about the tires and wheels. the following is a portion of the questions li asked them...... and there responce.... boyd utah.... ====================================== > i have built a kolb mark III kit plane and bought the matco > wheels with the disk breaks. > the wheels have the number MH6B on them. at the fbo where i hanger the > plane we had a discussion on tire replacements. the > question that they wanted me to ask is, would the rim be > strong enough if i put on a taller tire? say a 600-6 which > is about 3" taller than the 15x600-6 i have now. would > the side load and longer moment arm cause any problems with > the wheel????? the wheel is set up for a tubeless tire. > can it be used with a tube???? if so with or without the > O-ring that seals the two halves??? do you have any > recommendations for tires with or without tubes that you > have found to work well???? >boyd young ====================== their reply ============== Dear Mr. Young: Thank you for your e-mail. Kolb purchases the Cheng Shen 15x600x6 tubless tire from us. We have these tires in stock and available for immediate delivery if required. This rim is sufficiently strong for a taller tire. This should not cause any problems with side load or moment arm, however, you may see a slight decrease in the braking due to the change in torque. A standard 600x6 is commonly used on this wheel assembly. You should be aware, however, that this wheel is rated for aircraft of 900 pounds or less. Using a higher ply rating tire does not change this. You can use a tube with this wheel rim assembly. Simply eliminate the valve stem and the o-ring from the assembly. In addition to the 15x600x6 tire and tube, a 13x6.50x6 tire, a 600x6 aircraft tire, and an 800x6 tundra tire have all been used successfully with this rim assembly. P.L. Montgomery MATCO mfg =========================== later while visiting with the local fbo they mentioned that i could use an older tire. ie. wore out...... all the tred missing....... that way i could get the tire for cheep and it stil would be plenty strong enough for my porposes. without all the weight. just a thought. boyd young utah. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2000
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: tires and wheels
Hi Boyd and Kolbers: Here is the url for the MH6B (UL wheel commonly used): http://www.matcomfg.com/specs/mh6b.htm Here is the url for the W62 (new wheels and brakes to replace my old MH6B's I trashed at Muncho Lake, BC): http://www.matcomfg.com/specs/w62.htm The major difference is: W62's are 3 lbs heavier. Rotor is same diameter as the outside of wheel rim. Caliper is much larger. Uses 3/4 inch axles. Uses tapered 3/4 inch roller bearings, vs 1/2 inch roller bearings. I purchased new Carlisle 8.00X6.00 tires for the new wheels, but the tire bead would not seat properly. Ended up mounting my old Carlisle 8X6's which have a different style bead, plus they are lighter because most of the tread has been scuffed off them by the previous owner and now me. Am anxious to get the airplane flying again to see if and how much braking improvement I have. When I disassembled the old wheels I discovered three of the four ball bearings were unserviceable. Two of them may or may not have survived the rest of the flight, had I not broken the airplane at Muncho Lake. MATCO states the MH6B is good for acft to 900 lbs. Static rating is 660 lbs. Am I correct in assuming The W62 is good to nearly an 1800 lb acft based on static rating of 1185??? If my flying was restricted to manicured grass strips I would go with my old setup of MH6B. But that ain't the case. Miss P'fer finds herself on sand bars in the Tallapoosa River, sugar sand of St Joe Spit, rough cow pastures (I am based in a pasture), and other beautiful rough place where ultralights like to fly. With the new updates on my landing gear leg and axle sockets, plus the more durable wheels and brakes, I should increase Miss P'fer's reliability and ability to get us both back home from wherever we have strayed. BTW: OD of the mounted 8X6 on the new wheels is 17 7/8 inches. I plan fly with 6 lbs of air pressure. I flew with 8 lbs with the old wheels. If 6 lbs is too soft, I can jack them up a little. They handle better with more pressure on paved strips, but that ain't the name of the game. Also am increasing the gear leg length from 22 to 24 inches. That'll put her in a little bit more 3 pt stance. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Food for Thought
Date: Nov 21, 2000
As an add-on thought ( ?? ) to the previous..............a few weeks ago, I tried cutting some heavy stainless, like 14 or 16 ga., for the inside door handles. After eating several saber saw blades, 2 carbide blades, and almost burning up that cheap little B&D saber saw, I finally gave up. Never even got 1 done, and said Phooey ! ! ! Any ideas on how to do this ?? Interestingly, a neighbor loaned me his fancy Makita saber saw, and it didn't do as well as my $29.95 special. 1st time I've ever seen a B&D, or a Skil do anything right. ( The cheap ones ) ( Nothing wrong with any of the commercial grade stuff. ) It's odd, too. I wouldn't have bought that saw on a bet, having thrown other similar types of things in the trash while still new. This one was given to me years ago, and I just can't seem to break it. It's helped build a couple of boats, and now an airplane. Go figure. But............I'd still like to cut that stainless. Destructive Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:20 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Food for Thought > > Here we go again, with ol' Lar hurtin' his skull by trying to think with > it. It came necessary yesterday to cut some 1/8" aluminum sheet, and 1 > bite with the snips told me to get out the ol' saber saw. I noticed > something then, and I've noticed it before, and I'd like some reactions,> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 21, 2000
Subject: Re: Food for Thought
In a message dated 11/21/00 10:51:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com writes: << .a few weeks ago, I tried cutting some heavy stainless, like 14 or 16 ga., for the inside door handles. After eating several saber saw blades, 2 carbide blades, and almost burning up that cheap little B&D saber saw, I finally gave up. >> Maybe you could find a good welding or metal fabrication shop that has a "plasma cutter"; it makes a fairly smooth cut that just needs dressing up with a file. Howard Shackleford FS I SC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WVarnes(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 21, 2000
Subject: Re: Food for Thought
In a message dated 11/21/2000 2:24:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com writes: > on Hi speed, and that metal > cutting blade just chokes up fairly quickly, and fills the teeth up with > chips, to where it looks like a smooth, shiny surface with no teeth. > Big Lar I think its caused by friction heat buildup. I've experienced the same type of problem when drilling. At high speed the drill bit clogs up with small chips, but at slow speed the material comes out in a long twisted piece of metal. Bill Varnes Original FireStar-Rotax 377 Audubon, NJ USA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Food for Thought
Date: Nov 21, 2000
Huh ! ! ! Never thought of that, and I should've. The guy who customized my intake throttle body, cut the pieces with his plasma cutter..................and............we're still friends. Yeah ! ! ! I'll call him this weekend. He's Gary Fore, of ForePlay Racing, in Cherry Valley, CA. Good Guy, and you should see the work he does on that race car. Thanks. Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: <HShack(at)aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Food for Thought > > In a message dated 11/21/00 10:51:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, > larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com writes: > > << .a few weeks ago, I > tried cutting some heavy stainless, like 14 or 16 ga., for the inside door > handles. After eating several saber saw blades, 2 carbide blades, and > almost burning up that cheap little B&D saber saw, I finally gave up. >> > > Maybe you could find a good welding or metal fabrication shop that has a > "plasma cutter"; it makes a fairly smooth cut that just needs dressing up > with a file. > > Howard Shackleford > FS I > SC > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jgw300" <jgw300(at)netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Food for Thought
Date: Nov 21, 2000
Lar you picked a really tough metal to cut. I wonder at the noise those carbide teeth made against that metal. Ouch! The only way I have done that on my own is with a sheet metal sheerer. A Plasma cutter should also be able to handle the cut. My best suggestion is to go to a metal fabrication plant and get their suggestion, or hire it done. It really should not cost you that much. Most of them are anxious for something different. Especially a smaller shop. Julian Warren Eugene, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Food for Thought > > As an add-on thought ( ?? ) to the previous..............a few weeks ago, I > tried cutting some heavy stainless, like 14 or 16 ga., for the inside door > handles. After eating several saber saw blades, 2 carbide blades, and > almost burning up that cheap little B&D saber saw, I finally gave up. Never > even got 1 done, and said Phooey ! ! ! Any ideas on how to do this ?? > Interestingly, a neighbor loaned me his fancy Makita saber saw, and it > didn't do as well as my $29.95 special. 1st time I've ever seen a B&D, or a > Skil do anything right. ( The cheap ones ) ( Nothing wrong with any of the > commercial grade stuff. ) It's odd, too. I wouldn't have bought that saw > on a bet, having thrown other similar types of things in the trash while > still new. This one was given to me years ago, and I just can't seem to > break it. It's helped build a couple of boats, and now an airplane. Go > figure. But............I'd still like to cut that stainless. > Destructive Lar. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> > To: "Kolb" > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:20 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: Food for Thought > > > > > > Here we go again, with ol' Lar hurtin' his skull by trying to think with > > it. It came necessary yesterday to cut some 1/8" aluminum sheet, and 1 > > bite with the snips told me to get out the ol' saber saw. I noticed > > something then, and I've noticed it before, and I'd like some reactions,> > > Why pay for something you could get for free? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Branscomb" <wbrans(at)provide.net>
Subject: Volksplane sale
Date: Nov 22, 2000
Jim Buckeridge, Oakville, MO; please give me your email address and land line number regarding your Volksplane sale. Warren Branscomb 1986 Twinstar wbrans(at)provide.net Fax 734/699-7101 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net>
Subject: Cutting Stainless Steel
Date: Nov 22, 2000
Stainless steel is very tough to cut with a saw of any kind. It will eat blades like you wouldn't believe. Plasma cutting is the way to go. I have been to sheet metal shops and most of them will not even cut stainless with their big shears. Ron Payne Gilbertsville, Ky. Building FireStar II ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jrodebush" <jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Food for thought
Date: Nov 22, 2000
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Food for Thought "Here we go again, with ol' Lar hurtin' his skull by trying to think with it. It came necessary yesterday to cut some 1/8" aluminum sheet" I've noticed a similar thing when using a step drill for drilling the 1/2" holes for the H spar tubes. If you go fast it wobbles around and it's easy to go oversize. When you go real slow it "machines" the aluminum and makes a nice smooth hole. I also got a Jabiru pitch from the dealer New Zealand. Now that's optimism! Rody ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2000
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org>
Subject: Re: Food for Thought
Do you have a Moto-Tool and a container of those little carbide wheels? Seems like I remember they worked on stainless. (wear goggles!) But the idea of "heavy" stainless...??? MKIII doors will stay held shut by the wind even if you don't use handles. Who are you trying to keep in? I used 1/2"x1/2"x1/16" aluminum angle about 2" long for my inside handles. Cut them out and smoothed the corners in about a minute. He He. "Simplicate and add lightness" Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >As an add-on thought ( ?? ) to the previous..............a few weeks ago, I >tried cutting some heavy stainless, like 14 or 16 ga., for the inside door >handles. After eating several saber saw blades, 2 carbide blades, and >almost burning up that cheap little B&D saber saw, I finally gave up. Never >even got 1 done, and said Phooey ! ! ! Any ideas on how to do this ?? >Interestingly, a neighbor loaned me his fancy Makita saber saw, and it >didn't do as well as my $29.95 special. 1st time I've ever seen a B&D, or a >Skil do anything right. ( The cheap ones ) ( Nothing wrong with any of the >commercial grade stuff. ) It's odd, too. I wouldn't have bought that saw >on a bet, having thrown other similar types of things in the trash while >still new. This one was given to me years ago, and I just can't seem to >break it. It's helped build a couple of boats, and now an airplane. Go >figure. But............I'd still like to cut that stainless. >Destructive Lar. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2000
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Food for thought
> I also got a Jabiru pitch from the dealer New Zealand. Now that's optimism! > > Rody Rody and Kolbers: Seems he got our email addresses from the Kolb List. Claims to sell Jabirus far below the US dealer's price. Don't know whether he has a web page or not. john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2000
From: Cliff and Carolyn Stripling <striplic(at)tetric.com>
Subject: Airplane Trailer/Hanger
To All, For Sale: 8' wide X 7' high X 24' long main floor deck with plenty of room for a Kolb - 8' wide X 8' long X 4' over the hitch upper deck providing plenty of additional room for accessories, fuel, tools, etc. - Enclosed Cargo Utility Trailer - 5th wheel (could be gooseneck) hitch - steel frame & roof - white prepainted aluminum exterior sides - Luan interior sides - plywood floor - spring/cable assist rear ramp & curbside doors - tandem axle - spare tire - electric brakes - interior/exterior lights - 2 years old - very few miles on tires - used as a hanger for a Kolb MKIII - custom built for $8K plus TTL - want $6,500 - located in central Texas. E-mail inquiries to striplic(at)tetric.com or (830)693-9333. Thanks! Cliff Stripling ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2000
From: "Craig Fordahl" <cafordahl(at)pop.mpls.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Food for Thought
Larry, I work for a laser machine tool manufacturer (GSI Lumonics). Lasers work fantastic on virtually any material. The only problem is it will harden the steel at the cutting edge but so will plasma I assume. Unfortunately we not longer have an internal job shop (competes with our machine purchase customers) but if you tell me where you are located I might be able to direct you to a laser job shop in your area or you might try the yellow pages. Craig Fordahl (Kolb Twinstar Owner) Loretto, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Food for Thought As an add-on thought ( ?? ) to the previous..............a few weeks ago, I tried cutting some heavy stainless, like 14 or 16 ga., for the inside door handles. After eating several saber saw blades, 2 carbide blades, and ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WillUribe(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 22, 2000
Subject: Re: Tires
George, Here are the pictures you requested of Dave's FireStar Tires. http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/tire1.jpg http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/tire2.jpg http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/tire3.jpg Tire1 Tire2 Tire3 Regards, Will Uribe El Paso, TX In a message dated 11/15/00 6:51:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, rr(at)htg.net writes: > > I will put a picture of my FireStar with the aero trainer tires within a > day. > Don't know the weight yet, will be doing a new weight and balance this > weekend anyway. > -----Original Message----- > From: GeoR38(at)aol.com <GeoR38(at)aol.com> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires > > > > > >In a message dated 11/14/00 8:23:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, rr(at)htg.net > >writes: > > > ><< $27.95! What a deal. Real airplane tires for about what we pay for lawn > > tractor tires. One caveat, they are tall, at 17 inches, but narrower that > > most tundra types. Get them before they raise the price. > > Dave Rains > > FireStar II > > El Paso > > Republic of Texas. >> > > > >David....could I see a picture of them on your great El Paso flying > airplane? > >GeoR38 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net>
Subject: I did it again
Date: Nov 22, 2000
Just got the two pieces for the other drag strut today. I am trying to finish up the right wing. I pulled the 3/4 inch tube out to make the tip bow. I have plenty for one tip. When I started checking to see if I had enough for the other tip, I find that I have the right amount but in 3 pieces. When building the tail feathers, as per instructions, I cut all of the pieces I needed off of one length. I should have cut a couple of pieces off of one length then put the rest aside to make one wing tip bow. Then cut a couple of tail pieces off of the other stick of 3/4 inch tube and the left over would have been long enough to make the other tip bow. Oh well. Kolb has plenty of tubing. Will order more Monday. Ron Payne Gilbertsville, Ky. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JCBuckeridge" <buckeridge(at)stlnet.com>
Subject: Re: Volksplane sale
Date: Nov 22, 2000
314-846-2549 and you'll have to talk...we don't pick up unless we know who it is. buckeridge(at)stlnet.com -----Original Message----- From: Branscomb <wbrans(at)provide.net> Date: November 22, 2000 4:19 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Volksplane sale > >Jim Buckeridge, Oakville, MO; please give me your email address and land >line number regarding your Volksplane sale. > >Warren Branscomb >1986 Twinstar > wbrans(at)provide.net >Fax 734/699-7101 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2000
Subject: Mark III Door Hinges
From: Ray L Baker <rbaker2(at)juno.com>
Fellow Kolbers, Can anyone direct me to some close up pictures so that I can see the detail on the door hinges? How does the hinge fit over the rivets that hold the windshield? Also, should the windscreen go up past the steel loop and touch the gap seal, or should it end even with the steel loop and then have another piece of lexan covering the top of the loop forming a ceiling to the cockpit? L. Ray Baker Lake Butler, Fl Building Mark III, SN M1156--N629RB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BICUM(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 22, 2000
Subject: First run of 912 - Learn from mistakes
Hello group, Today was kind of a mix. I test ran the 912 for the first time. The plan was to run for 5 minutes and shut down for a check. The good stuff: - it started right up. - it ran pretty good once I remembered to take out the choke. Always use a checklist. The bad stuff: - the plastic knurled knob on the oil pressure sender virbrated off at the three minute mark. Heard a klang of metal as it caught the very tip of one of the blades of my Ivo prop which then flung it straight through fabric of the cage. Now have a ~1/2" hole in the side of my cage. It was a kinda nice paint job. - tried shutting down engine and mags wouldn't ground out. Had to use fuel shutoff (glad I put that in) and be patient. Gotta check that ground stuff out. Should have checked that before starting! I ran over the entire engine twice before starting. I tightened that plastic knob as tight as I thought I should tighten a plastic piece. It just vibrated off. Gonna look for a metric nyloc or use Lock-tite. Questionable stuff : The oil pressure came right on up. but settled at 97 psi even at lower RPM. I was looking for a little closer to the nominal of 58 psi. I know everything is still tight on the engine and the oil hadn't warmed up yet (78 F). I have to give that some more running time before I can decide if this is an issue. Still need a couple of turns to take out some pitch on the IVO. Wouldn't turn much ofver 4100 rpm. My two EGT's (based on EIS) had a difference of anywhere from 70 - 105 F. I don't know if this is significant either because of the short run. I guess I kinda worry/wonder if the carbs are in sync and how do you tell? All things considered it was a landmark met with some success. This has been my first attempt at building. I have been working alone in a vaccum pretty much. The one invaluable resource I have had have been you guys on the list. I never would have made it this far without help from all of you on the list. That reminds me - I need to go send Matt his check. Getting closer and further away at the same time. John Bickham St. Francisville, LA Mark III - 912 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2000
From: Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Subject: Re: I did it again
>In the older plans Kolb used to suggest that you put aside 1 - 12' length >just for the wing tip bows. >I pulled the 3/4 inch tube out to make the tip >bow. I have plenty for one tip. When I started checking to see if I had >enough for the other tip, I find that I have the right amount but in 3 >pieces. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Food for Thought
Date: Nov 22, 2000
Thanks for the idea Craig, it's a good one, and I'll save it for future need. Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Fordahl" <cafordahl(at)pop.mpls.uswest.net> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Food for Thought > > Larry, > I work for a laser machine tool manufacturer (GSI Lumonics). Lasers work > fantastic on virtually any material. The only problem is it will harden > the steel at the cutting edge but so will plasma I assume. > Unfortunately we not longer have an internal job shop (competes with our > machine purchase customers) but if you tell me where you are located I > might be able to direct you to a laser job shop in your area or you > might try the yellow pages. > Craig Fordahl (Kolb Twinstar Owner) > Loretto, MN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Food for Thought > > > > > As an add-on thought ( ?? ) to the previous..............a few weeks > ago, I > tried cutting some heavy stainless, like 14 or 16 ga., for the inside > door > handles. After eating several saber saw blades, 2 carbide blades, and > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Pridgen" <richard.pridgen(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: PAY Atention
Date: Jan 01, 1997
Ken, The first time I tried to bend my wingtip bows I too kinked one of them. But after talking with a friend at work he suggested filling the tube with sand . Tape the ends of the tube so the sand won't spill out bend slowly around a tire. Works great {no kinks}. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Broste <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: PAY Atention > > I ran into sort of the same problem on the wing bow. I came up short of > .750 x .380 tubes. And then the first one I went to bend kinked right away. > Any suggestions on doing that bend? Kolb will be getting an order from me > for the tube replacements. I seem to find the only other piece that uses > the .750 x .380 is on the vertical stabilizer. Oh, well its coming along > fine and I'm pleased with my craft. Wish it would warm up down here. It's > barely getting into the sixties and kind of cold to do much work out in the > garage. > Ken > Tucson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net> > To: "Kolb" > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:42 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: PAY Atention > > > > > > In the builders manual, it says to use the shortest tubes you have when > you > > get ready to cut one. This makes sense but it didn't dawn on me that this > > refered to the tubes as you get them from Kolb. I had decided that the > best > > way to protect the tubes was to leave them in the card board tube that > they > > came packed in and just take out the ones that I was getting ready to use. > > Building the tail feathers I needed both 7/8 inch by .058 inch wall and 1 > > inch by .058 inch wall. Pulled out these tubes and cut them to the length > I > > needed and assembled the tail. Today I started to build the drag strut > for > > one wing. I had enough of these size tubes to build one drag strut. > > However for the other drag strut I have the right amount of tube but in 4 > > short pieces instead of 2 long pieces. My fault. I now will get to buy > > some aluminum tubing. This is on a FireStar II. Just a sugestion for > other > > FireStar builders that have not gotten to the drag strut yet. > > > > Ron Payne > > Gilbertsville, Ky. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2000
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org>
Subject: Re: Mark III Door Hinges
The rivets go through the hinges and then the windshield. The hinges are on the outside of the windshield, and help hold the windshield in place. Run the windshield up as close to the gap seal as you can get it and still be able to slide the gap seal in and out. The underside of the gap seal is the top of the cockpit or ceiling. Aircraft Spruce sells rubber channel that you can glue to the top of the windshield to help make a very tight fit between the windshield and the gap seal if you think you need it that tight. If you use clecos you can put the windshield off and on a bunch while fitting it. Trim back the protective tape just around the edges only, leave it covering the rest of the Lexan until you are completely done with everything else. Everything. Everything. Trust me. Do not use a vacuum cleaner soft brush to vacuum dust off your Lexan windshield, you will scratch it. (Guess how I know this?) When you wash/clean/polish a Lexan windshield, do not use a circular motion, it will leave microscopic swirlies that catch the sun at any angle and make odd diffraction glare. Use fore and aft/lengthwise only motions. It will scratch no matter what you do, but that way the scratches will only pick up the sun and glare from one angle. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >Fellow Kolbers, > >Can anyone direct me to some close up pictures so that I can see the >detail on the door hinges? How does the hinge fit over the rivets that >hold the windshield? > >Also, should the windscreen go up past the steel loop and touch the gap >seal, or should it end even with the steel loop and then have another >piece of lexan covering the top of the loop forming a ceiling to the >cockpit? > >L. Ray Baker >Lake Butler, Fl >Building Mark III, SN M1156--N629RB > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TCowan1917(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 23, 2000
Subject: Re: cutting stainless plate
Well, when I need to cut stainless I use a method I learned a zillion years ago, use a DC stick welder, reverse the polarity put it at the max setting - 200 - and cut away. If you practice you can get good enough to grind down smooth. may not help you but it does work and makes a noise like a freight train. Ted - We built most of the older computer cabinets for NASA that you see in the movies, the tables the launch team sits at. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jrodebush" <jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Cutting stainless - another option
Date: Nov 23, 2000
> >" Larry, > I work for a laser machine tool manufacturer (GSI Lumonics). Lasers work > fantastic on virtually any material. The only problem is it will harden > the steel at the cutting edge but so will plasma................." I was looking at some of our 3/16" thick 316L SS parts at a fab shop a few months ago and commented on the beautiful edge. They said they were water jet cut by a local vendor. The edge looked like it was machined and there was no heat affected zone. We have several shops in Cincinnati that do this mostly for aircraft engine parts (General Electirc is here). It would be another good way to go if you can get a deal. Usually they don't work cheap. Rody ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Benson" <jimben(at)clear.lakes.com>
Subject: Re: PAY Atention
Date: Nov 23, 2000
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pridgen" <richard.pridgen(at)worldnet.att.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 1996 11:40 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: PAY Atention > > Ken, > The first time I tried to bend my wingtip bows I too kinked one of them. > But after talking with a friend at work he suggested filling the tube with > sand . Tape the ends of the tube so the sand won't spill out bend slowly > around a tire. Works great {no kinks}. To wingtip bow benders: What I found worked real good for making the bend was an electrical conduit tubing bender. I bought one for $12 and mounted a piece of pipe on it and then you can make the bends real slowly moving the tubing bender along as needed. Or if you have an electrician friend perhaps you can borrow one for that job. Jim Benson > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Cutting stainless - another option
Date: Nov 23, 2000
I've heard a little about the water jet cutting, but my old fashioned mind is having trouble accepting it. I'm gonna have to find a shop that does it, and go watch, I guess. This ol' dog's starting to have trouble keeping up with all the new tricks, and that's a bad sign. It's even worse when my 72 yr old step-father teases me about my rotten memory. Wore Out Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jrodebush" <jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:43 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Cutting stainless - another option > > > > > > >" Larry, > > I work for a laser machine tool manufacturer (GSI Lumonics). Lasers work > > fantastic on virtually any material. The only problem is it will harden > > the steel at the cutting edge but so will plasma................." > > I was looking at some of our 3/16" thick 316L SS parts at a fab shop a few > months ago and commented on the beautiful edge. They said they were water > jet cut by a local vendor. The edge looked like it was machined and there > was no heat affected zone. We have several shops in Cincinnati that do this > mostly for aircraft engine parts (General Electirc is here). It would be > another good way to go if you can get a deal. Usually they don't work > cheap. > > Rody > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: PAY Atention
Date: Nov 23, 2000
I've learned to if you don't cut your .750 x .038 just right in the right order you're out of luck and you'll have to call Kolb. The h. stab uses a .750 x .038 too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pridgen" <richard.pridgen(at)worldnet.att.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 1997 12:40 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: PAY Atention > > Ken, > The first time I tried to bend my wingtip bows I too kinked one of them. > But after talking with a friend at work he suggested filling the tube with > sand . Tape the ends of the tube so the sand won't spill out bend slowly > around a tire. Works great {no kinks}. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Broste <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net> > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: PAY Atention > > > > > > I ran into sort of the same problem on the wing bow. I came up short of > > .750 x .380 tubes. And then the first one I went to bend kinked right > away. > > Any suggestions on doing that bend? Kolb will be getting an order from me > > for the tube replacements. I seem to find the only other piece that uses > > the .750 x .380 is on the vertical stabilizer. Oh, well its coming along > > fine and I'm pleased with my craft. Wish it would warm up down here. > It's > > barely getting into the sixties and kind of cold to do much work out in > the > > garage. > > Ken > > Tucson > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net> > > To: "Kolb" > > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:42 AM > > Subject: Kolb-List: PAY Atention > > > > > > > > > > In the builders manual, it says to use the shortest tubes you have when > > you > > > get ready to cut one. This makes sense but it didn't dawn on me that > this > > > refered to the tubes as you get them from Kolb. I had decided that the > > best > > > way to protect the tubes was to leave them in the card board tube that > > they > > > came packed in and just take out the ones that I was getting ready to > use. > > > Building the tail feathers I needed both 7/8 inch by .058 inch wall and > 1 > > > inch by .058 inch wall. Pulled out these tubes and cut them to the > length > > I > > > needed and assembled the tail. Today I started to build the drag strut > > for > > > one wing. I had enough of these size tubes to build one drag strut. > > > However for the other drag strut I have the right amount of tube but in > 4 > > > short pieces instead of 2 long pieces. My fault. I now will get to buy > > > some aluminum tubing. This is on a FireStar II. Just a sugestion for > > other > > > FireStar builders that have not gotten to the drag strut yet. > > > > > > Ron Payne > > > Gilbertsville, Ky. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 23, 2000
From: Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Subject: Re: Mark III Door Hinges
>. The underside of the gap seal is >the top of the cockpit or ceiling. Aircraft Spruce sells rubber channel >that you can glue to the top of the windshield to help make a very tight >fit between the windshield and the gap seal if you think you need it that >tight. You may find adding a piece of Lexan on top of the windshield bow to seal the cabin apart from the gap seal a more efficient way of stopping drafts. If upward visibility is not an issue this area could be fabriced over. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: anyone out there?
Date: Nov 25, 2000
I have not received any list posts for over 24hrs, is the list down, or just extra quiet for the holiday? Denny ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: anyone out there?
Date: Nov 24, 2000
Nope, looks OK to me. Last message I show from the List was at 3:36 PM yesterday. Never really thought about it, been busy, but it IS unusual. Lar. Happy Thanksgiving. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 9:38 PM Subject: Kolb-List: anyone out there? > > I have not received any list posts for over 24hrs, is the list down, or just > extra quiet for the holiday? > Denny > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ronald Perry" <ronaldpe(at)shenessex.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: anyone out there?
Date: Nov 25, 2000
It's extra quiet for the holidays, but I have received 15 or 20 over the last 24 hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Denny Rowe <rowedl(at)alltel.net> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:38 PM Subject: Kolb-List: anyone out there? > > I have not received any list posts for over 24hrs, is the list down, or just > extra quiet for the holiday? > Denny > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2000
From: John Richmond <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Database - finally!!
Here is our database of the 24 respondants to all my questions 2 months ago. I posted it 3 weeks ago, but it did not get into the list for some reason. I've attached the htm link for the information, as well as 2 versions of the Excel spreadsheet to this mailing. #1 is the web link, or, if you want the actual data you can open the spreadsheet itself #2 is the most "today" version, XL 2000, and named Kolb_Database.xls. #3 is for the older 97 version, but should work with XL5.0/95. If you have need of the data in an even older version, please write me and I'll save it some other way for you. I hope this helps some of you, it helped me. ENJOY :-) ===== John & Lynn Richmond :-) Palm Coast, Fl. Mk3, 582 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: anyone out there?
Date: Nov 25, 2000
Is that Kolb List messages, or personal and other ?? Big Lar. Palm Springs, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Perry" <ronaldpe(at)shenessex.heartland.net> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: anyone out there? > > It's extra quiet for the holidays, but I have received 15 or 20 over the > last 24 hrs. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denny Rowe <rowedl(at)alltel.net> > To: kolb-list > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:38 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: anyone out there? > > > > > > I have not received any list posts for over 24hrs, is the list down, or > just > > extra quiet for the holiday? > > Denny > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2000
From: John Richmond <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Database - finally!!
John & Lynn Richmond :-) Palm Coast, Fl. Mk3, 582 --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: anyone out there?
Date: Nov 25, 2000
Lar and gang, I think Alltel is screwing up again. We are going to be changing ISPs very shortly. Will be unsubscribing in the next couple days until we get reconnected through a more reliable server. Denny -----Original Message----- From: larrybiglar <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Date: Saturday, November 25, 2000 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: anyone out there? > >Is that Kolb List messages, or personal and other ?? Big Lar. >Palm Springs, CA. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ronald Perry" <ronaldpe(at)shenessex.heartland.net> >To: >Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:18 PM >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: anyone out there? > > > >> >> It's extra quiet for the holidays, but I have received 15 or 20 over the >> last 24 hrs. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Denny Rowe <rowedl(at)alltel.net> >> To: kolb-list >> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 11:38 PM >> Subject: Kolb-List: anyone out there? >> >> >> > >> > I have not received any list posts for over 24hrs, is the list down, or >> just >> > extra quiet for the holiday? >> > Denny >> > >> > >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Database - finally!!
Date: Nov 25, 2000
I think you forgot something, John............................?? Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Richmond" <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:07 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Database - finally!! > > > John & Lynn Richmond :-) > Palm Coast, Fl. > Mk3, 582 > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2000
From: John Richmond <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: wingtip lights
Anybody ever put lights at the end of completed wings? Also, anyone know of a service for inspecting wings inside with the camera eye at the end of a snakey thing? ===== John & Lynn Richmond :-) Palm Coast, Fl. Mk3, 582 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2000
From: John Richmond <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Database - finally!!
John & Lynn Richmond :-) Palm Coast, Fl. Mk3, 582 --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leaf" <705460(at)ican.net>
Subject: Re: FS rudder cable rubs on boom tube
Date: Nov 25, 2000
Hi List, I'm assembling my Firestar after painting ( hopefully for the last time) and I noticed that the rudder cable clamp sleeves rub on the rivits at the back end of the boom tube. they also rub on the elevator horn tube when the elevator is in the full up position. I bent the two horns up slightly this cured the rubbing on the elevator tube but it still rubs on the rivits . After staring at this for a while I wondered if there would be any problem with redrilling the rudder horn holes slightly closer to the rudder . I also remember someone talking about >putting plastic tubing over the cables to prevent rub damage. Has anybody else had this problem? Thanks All, Dave Leaf FS 11 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FS rudder cable rubs on boom tube
Date: Nov 25, 2000
I had a suggestion from Kolb to apply some sort of phenolic coating on the surfaces that are rubbing or creating friction. Check CPS (California Power Systems) or Aircraft spruce for this. My rudder horn cabling is going to come close to the fuselage spar when I get done and I may need to do this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Leaf" <705460(at)ican.net> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 4:51 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FS rudder cable rubs on boom tube > > Hi List, > > I'm assembling my Firestar after painting ( hopefully for the last time) > and I noticed that the rudder cable clamp sleeves > rub on the rivits at the back end of the boom tube. they also rub on the > elevator horn tube when the elevator is in > the full up position. I bent the two horns up slightly this cured the > rubbing on the elevator tube but it still rubs on the rivits . After > staring at this for a while I wondered if there would be any problem with > redrilling the rudder horn holes slightly closer to the rudder . I also > remember someone talking about >putting plastic tubing over the cables to > prevent rub damage. > Has anybody else had this problem? > > Thanks All, > > Dave Leaf > FS 11 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2000
From: "Gary r. voigt" <johndeereantique(at)uswest.net>
Subject: Re: wingtip lights
Yes John & Lynn, I just finished installing my kuntzleman strobes on my 1996 kxp that was already covered with no major problems, it can be done with or without cutting a hole on the bottom of the wing. this is why I went with the "smart strobe" which is streamlined and all you have to do is drill a 0.250" hole in the bowtip and feed wire through. I found it easier to make a small slit under the wing so I could put a cable tie and hold down the wires in a more solid fashion so there would be no stress or pulling on the connector itself, if you decide that you do not want to cut the covering then I recommed you call kuntzleman electronics inc. @ 610-326-9068 and dick can walk you through the process, he has done several kolbs without cutting the covering at the wing tips, you must use a fish tape to retreive the wire. I cut a small two inch square under the wing and then I took the wing off and with the help of ralph burlingame I stood on the deck and we held the wing on edge and I taped a socket to the 3 conductor wire and let gravity do it's thing and run it down the main spar tube. It did catch on some rivets once in a while, but it finally made it through. I can send you pics if you like. thanks, Gary r. voigt 1996 kxp 0 hrs. solo in 1-2 weeks when ice gets around 5" watch for my post at that time. John Richmond wrote: > > Anybody ever put lights at the end of completed wings? > > Also, anyone know of a service for inspecting wings inside with the > camera eye at the end of a snakey thing? > > ===== > John & Lynn Richmond :-) > Palm Coast, Fl. > Mk3, 582 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mhqqqqq(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 26, 2000
Subject: flying after the engine dies
kolb-list(at)matronics.com, badguys(at)about.com, SK1028(at)aol.com, RPendl6756(at)aol.com, teratorn(at)clear.lakes.com, shortlin(at)discover-net.net (Greg Wendt), spuds5(at)earthlink.net, batkinson(at)conusnews.com, s12brian(at)prodigy.net, hansen_art(at)hotmail.com I was flying on saturday just a short hop as it turned out. I was just south of the runway at about 150 to 200 feet above the ground and my engine quit. well I was able to turn and land with the rows in a plowed field. the good news is the plane and myself are both fine. it even started again and ran well, I think it may have been crab. icing. engine temps were fine. the only thing I don't understand is the engine never missed once and then it was like it was shut off. but I don't know what other problems it could be. it was a warm day (about 35) and very humid. I will tie it down & run it up for a long time before I fly again, but all things look good for now. I hope you all had a happy thanksgiving. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dickk9(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 26, 2000
Subject: Re: wingtip lights
Hi John, Yes, I have on several Kolbs. It is a fairly simple procedure and if you give me a call I would be glad to tell you how I do it. Dick Kuntzleman, Pres. Kuntzleman Electronics, Inc please visit our NEW site www.KEstrobes.com 610 326 9068 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2000
Subject: Re: flying after the engine dies
From: ul15rhb(at)juno.com
When the engine dies, after it is brought to idle, is a very normal condition this time of year with lowering temperatures. When it gets colder, the engine idle speed should be increased so that it idles at 2000 rpm. I had to turn the idle speed up myself yesterday. The worst scenario is bringing the engine to idle, on final, only to find out the approach will fall short and have to come down in a plowed field, or having it kill once power is applied. Many a 2-cycle pilot have fallen victim to this pitfall, some stalling causing serious injury. The only time I bring the engine to idle on final is when I know that I have sufficient altitude to make a landing on the runway. Most of the time I carry about 3000-3500 rpm all the way down. The added engine speed during the winter will also keep it from cooling off too quickly. This is a good rule to abide by when flying the 2-cycle engine, in my opinion, one of the things that has kept me safe all these years. There are times where I will intentionally switch the engine off (summer months only to prevent thermal shock) and it's great fun to be able to fly the plane without power and very good practice. One more thing to remember, is raise the jet needle one notch (one notch lower on the needle itself) for winter flying, to richen the mixture and compensate for the colder denser air, then lower it in the summer. Ralph Burlingame, 14 years flying a Kolb in front of a Rotax engine > > I was flying on saturday just a short hop as it turned out. I was > just south > of the > runway at about 150 to 200 feet above the ground and my engine quit. > well I > was > able to turn and land with the rows in a plowed field. > > the good news is the plane and myself are both fine. it even > started again > and ran well, I think it may have been crab. icing. engine temps > were > fine. the only thing > I don't understand is the engine never missed once and then it was > like it > was shut > off. but I don't know what other problems it could be. > > it was a warm day (about 35) and very humid. > > I will tie it down & run it up for a long time before I fly again, > but all > things look good > for now. > > I hope you all had a happy thanksgiving. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2000
From: John Jung <jrjung(at)execpc.com>
Subject: Re: flying after the engine dies
Mhqqqq, I have two suggestions: 1) Don't fly the plane again until you remove the exhaust and examine the engine for damage. 2) Use your name on posts. :) John Jung Mhqqqqq(at)aol.com wrote: > > I was flying on saturday just a short hop as it turned out. I was just south > of the > runway at about 150 to 200 feet above the ground and my engine quit. well I > was > able to turn and land with the rows in a plowed field. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2000
From: John Richmond <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: wingtip lights
Hey Gary, Yess! I'd like to see your pictures! No particular hurry, have much to do without that little chore. Just want to lite up my life someday. So even if your pics come snail mail, plenty OK. Thanks for the info.....really appreciate it, 25 Blackburn Place Palm Coast, Fl. 32137 --- "Gary r. voigt" wrote: > > > Yes John & Lynn, I just finished installing my kuntzleman > strobes on > my 1996 kxp that was already covered with no major problems, it can > be > done with or without cutting a hole on the bottom of the wing. this > is why > I went with the "smart strobe" which is streamlined and all you have > to do > is drill a 0.250" hole in the bowtip and feed wire through. I found > it > easier to make a small slit under the wing so I could put a cable tie > and > hold down the wires in a more solid fashion so there would be no > stress or > pulling on the connector itself, if you decide that you do not want > to cut > the covering then I recommed you call kuntzleman electronics inc. @ > 610-326-9068 and dick can walk you through the process, he has done > several kolbs without cutting the covering at the wing tips, you must > use > a fish tape to retreive the wire. I cut a small two inch square under > the > wing and then I took the wing off and with the help of ralph > burlingame I > stood on the deck and we held the wing on edge and I taped a socket > to the > 3 conductor wire and let gravity do it's thing and run it down the > main > spar tube. It did catch on some rivets once in a while, but it > finally > made it through. I can send you pics if you like. > > thanks, > Gary r. voigt > 1996 kxp 0 hrs. solo in 1-2 weeks when ice gets around 5" > watch for my post at that time. > > John Richmond wrote: > > > > > > Anybody ever put lights at the end of completed wings? > > > > Also, anyone know of a service for inspecting wings inside with the > > camera eye at the end of a snakey thing? > > > > ===== > > John & Lynn Richmond :-) > > Palm Coast, Fl. > > Mk3, 582 > > > > > > > > ===== John & Lynn Richmond :-) Palm Coast, Fl. Mk3, 582 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2000
From: John Richmond <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Database AGAIN
Well Ed, and others, I'm not sure why Yahoo mail won't let the spreadsheets come with this mailing ?!?!?Here is the web attchment - AGAIN - tell me if anyone can see this. I've cc's myself, and can see it here, but don't know about you'all. It should be visible to you, but it is not a convenient way to look at it all. I intend for the spreadsheets to come to you, an easier way to see and print it out.As far as putting in your data, how should we do that? I've compiled the master list, and can enter yours for you like the other 23 respondants. Or.....I don't know how else really........any ideas?I don't mind being the database keeper, entering and updating data from you'z as it comes in, but need to fix this non-transfer problem.--- Ed Chmielewski wrote:> Hi John & Lynn,> > I guess what "biglar" means is - we don't see a link or> anything on> the Kolb list, just your names, home town and A/C type. We all would> like> to see it, and some (like myself) who haven't yet responded wonder> how to> enter our data. Thanks for all the hard work and devotion so far!> > Ed in JXN> MkII/503> John & Lynn Richmond :-) Palm Coast, Fl. Mk3, 582 --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2000
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Database AGAIN
> Well Ed, and others, I'm not sure why Yahoo mail won't let the spreadsheets come with this mailing ?!?!?Here is the web attchment - AGAIN - tell me if anyone can see this. > John & Lynn Richmond :-) John: Kolb List doesn't accept attachments. That is why we are not seeing your spread sheets. Can you post to a web page, or have Listers send you their email and fwd spread sheets to those that are interested. Here is what the web master has to say about inclosures: Sending Enclosures Please do not send enclosures of any kind to the Kolb-List! Generally these are very large and make the Archive file grow way too fast. There are also many members on the Kolb-List that cannot handle these messages. There are a number ftp servers and Web pages that enclosure-type data can be posted to for all to read. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron" <ron.carroll(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Database AGAIN
Date: Nov 26, 2000
Nothing here in Oregon either. I suspect it may have something to do with what Matt Dralle did a few days ago; he made it so that HTML files are filtered out, and converts them to ASCII files. Possibly the filter is also filtering out whatever it is you are trying to send. You can cc: it to your self, and it doesn't go through the list. If this is the case maybe you can e-mail it directly to anyone interested, such as myself. FWIW, Ron & Jan Carroll Mark-3 w/618 (FOR SALE) EAA Chapter 292 Independence, OR __!__ --------( / )-------- " " E-mail: ron.carroll(at)att.net Home: 1-503-838-1195 Fax: 1-503-838-4755 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Richmond <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 11:13 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Database AGAIN > > Well Ed, and others, I'm not sure why Yahoo mail won't let the spreadsheets come with this mailing ?!?!?Here is the web attchment - AGAIN - tell me if anyone can see this. I've cc's myself, and can see it here, but don't know about you'all. It should be visible to you, but it is not a convenient way to look at it all. I intend for the spreadsheets to come to you, an easier way to see and print it out.As far as putting in your data, how should we do that? I've compiled the master list, and can enter yours for you like the other 23 respondants. Or.....I don't know how else really........any ideas?I don't mind being the database keeper, entering and updating data from you'z as it comes in, but need to fix this non-transfer problem.--- Ed Chmielewski wrote:> Hi John & Lynn,> > I guess what "biglar" means is - we don't see a link or> anything on> the Kolb list, just your names, home town and A/C type. We all would> like> to see it, and some (like myself) who! > haven't yet responded wonder> how to> enter our data. Thanks for all the hard work and devotion so far!> > Ed in JXN> MkII/503> > > John & Lynn Richmond :-) > Palm Coast, Fl. > Mk3, 582 > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2000
From: John Richmond <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb Database - works now
Here is our database of the 24 respondants to all my questions 2 monthsago. I posted it 3 weeks ago, but it did not get into the list for some reason. I've attached 1 version of the Excel spreadsheet to this mailing, the older 97 version, but should work with XL5.0/95.Anyone wanting their data in on this list are welcome to forward their answers to the questions on the left column to me. I'll post updated files of our data every few months or so.Thanks for your virtual patience! John & Lynn Richmond :-) Palm Coast, Fl. Mk3, 582 --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Database AGAIN
Date: Nov 26, 2000
The 2nd time he sent it, I got it as an 'open post', I guess. It was all there on the 1 page, with no attachment, so I forwarded it to myself, after cutting all the extraneous stuff before the actual spreadsheet. Came thru fine then, and saved it to a file. Still don't see a link. Thank you, John. Big Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Richmond" <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 11:13 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Database AGAIN > > Well Ed, and others, I'm not sure why Yahoo mail won't let the spreadsheets come with this mailing ?!?!?Here is the web attchment - AGAIN - tell me if anyone can see this. I've cc's myself, and can see it here, but don't know about you'all. It should be visible to you, but it is not a convenient > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Database AGAIN
Date: Nov 26, 2000
Hmmmm................frustrating ! ! ! I can open my file, read the database, but I can't seem to set it up to mail directly, without it going as an attachment. Being real bright and intelligent, I've already cleared my deleted messages file. John, even your last try didn't come thru, so if you can duplicate what you did the other day, I'll clear the fat off it, and forward it to the List. Maybe everyone could get it that way. Or am I missing something, and they already got it ?? Seems odd that I'd be the only one. Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Database AGAIN > > The 2nd time he sent it, I got it as an 'open post', I guess. It was all > there on the 1 page, with no attachment, so I forwarded it to myself, after > cutting all the extraneous stuff before the actual spreadsheet. Came thru > fine then, and saved it to a file. Still don't see a link. Thank you, > John. Big Lar. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Richmond" <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com> > To: "Ed Chmielewski" ; > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 11:13 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Database AGAIN > > > > > > Well Ed, and others, I'm not sure why Yahoo mail won't let the > spreadsheets come with this mailing ?!?!?Here is the web attchment - AGAIN - > tell me if anyone can see this. I've cc's myself, and can see it here, but > don't know about you'all. It should be visible to you, but it is not a > convenient > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Waligroski, Gregg" <Gregg.Waligroski(at)pantellos.com>
Subject: Strobe Wire routing
Date: Nov 26, 2000
John R., I put strobes on my wing tips by drilling a 1/4" hole in the wing bow at the tip where the strobes would go. I then used some fence wire, which will bend but is pretty stiff, and pushed it in through the hole up into the leading edge tube and all the way to the center. I taped the strobe wire to the fence wire and pulled it back through. You need to be careful when the strobe wires get close to coming out the wing tip bow hole so it doesn't slip off of the fence wire. I put some connectors to the wires at the center section to allow the wings to fold. Gregg Waligroski Ex Colorado Kolb'r Trying to find a place to fly from near Spring, Texas........
http://kolbultralight.homestead.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Elbie(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 26, 2000
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 11/25/00
In a message dated 11/25/00 11:59:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, kolb-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes: > After > staring at this for a while I wondered if there would be any problem with > redrilling the rudder horn holes slightly closer to the rudder . I also > remember someone talking about >putting plastic tubing over the cables to > prevent rub damage. A few antique aircraft that had this type of problem just protected the structure and control cable with leather, check it every so often to insure it hasn't worn through. A piece of old belt held in place with adel clamps or what ever works should work excellent. Elbie Fly the Safe Angle with the RiteAngleTM Elbie Mendenhall President EM aviation, LLC 13411 NE Prairie Rd Brush Prairie WA 98606 Phone & Fax 360-260-0772 www.riteangle.com elbie(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2000
From: John Richmond <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Database - finally!!
With some of your help, we've figured out that these attachments are not making it past matronics, but will get to your personal mailboxes. I'll forward the data to you personally if you get me them. Sorry for the troubles. --- John Richmond wrote: > > > Here is our database of the 24 respondants to all my questions 2 > months > ago. I posted it 3 weeks ago, but it did not get into the list for > some reason. > > I've attached the htm link for the information, as well as 2 versions > of the Excel spreadsheet to this mailing. > > > #1 is the web link, > > or, if you want the actual data you can open the spreadsheet itself > > #2 is the most "today" version, XL 2000, and named Kolb_Database.xls. > > #3 is for the older 97 version, but should work with XL5.0/95. > > If you have need of the data in an even older version, please write > me > and I'll save it some other way for you. > > I hope this helps some of you, it helped me. ENJOY :-) > > ===== > John & Lynn Richmond :-) > Palm Coast, Fl. > Mk3, 582 > > > > > > ===== John & Lynn Richmond :-) Palm Coast, Fl. Mk3, 582 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Go5for4(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 26, 2000
Subject: Re: flying after the engine dies
I've had this problem a couple times. It wasn't cold weather for me it was a small piece of dirt in the idle jet. I always filter my fuel but the dirt still got there. << When the engine dies, after it is brought to idle, << ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Airgriff2(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 27, 2000
Subject: RE. ENGINE QUITING
I ALSO EXPERIENCED ENG. OUT AT 400' CLIMBING OUT. WITH MY STICK SHOVED ALL THE WAY TOWARDS MY FEET, AND MY EYES GLUED TO THE ASI, I MANAGED AN ON FIELD LANDING. NO LOSS OF RPM. NO COUGH OR SPUTTER. JUST AS IF SOMEONE TURNED OFF THE IGN. SWITCHES.. I CHECKED SWITCHES, WIRING, PLUGS, CARBS, FUEL LINES, PUMPS, VENTS, HOT BOXES, ETC.. THEN AFTER TALKING WITH KERRY FROM LOCKWOOD AVIATION, THE MYSTERY WAS SOLVED. ALTHOUGH WE THINK OF OUR ROTAXES AS HAVING "DUAL IGNITION", THERE IS "ONE" SINGLE SOURCE FOR ALL OF THOSE SPARKS, WHICH IS THE COIL, (OR STATOR). KERRY SUGGESTED THAT I PULL THAT OFF AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THERE WAS THE PROBLEM. ONE WIRE HAD INSULATION PULLED OFF WITH BARE WIRE EXPOSED FOR 1" AND ANOTHER WIRE WAS SHORTED OUT WITH THE SHARP EDGE OF THE MAGNET STUCK INTO IT. ALTHOUGH MY 618 HAD 60 HRS. ON IT , AND WAS OUT OF WARRENTY AS FAR AS TIME, ROTAX DID MAKE GOOD FOR IT. INTERESTINGLY THE NEW COIL WAS WIRED QUITE DIFFERENTLY THAN THE ORIGINAL ONE. THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE OF HELP TO YOU, BUT AT LEAST I'LL SHARE MY EXPERIENCE . SAFE FLYING BOB GRIFFIN UPSTATE N.Y. MK 111 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2000
From: Eldon L Morrison <eldon(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: - 11/14/00 Richard Swiderski's Trailer
Hello Kolb'ers Noted reference to Rchard Swiderski's enclosed trailer in attached portion of message posted. We are building a MKIII Extra on Full Lotus Floats and looking for an enclosed trailer to house and transport it. If Richard is on line I would appreciate a contract address and more information on his trailer. eldon(at)gwi.net From: dixieshack(at)webtv.net (orie shackelford) Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/13/00 Those who forgot or missed the Florida Flying Gator fly-in this past Saturday missed some great flying!! I got to meet Richard Swiderski and look over his SS and his enclosed trailer which is built like a BMW.. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Swiderski" <swidersk(at)digital.net>
Subject: Re: Enclosed Trailer
Date: Nov 27, 2000
Eldon, The trailer is one I designed & built to haul Kolbs easily & without harm. It is a compilization of many trailers I studied over the years. The biggest influence was Dennis Souder's open air trailer with a drop floor near the axle. The basic design has proven to be a joy to use but I learned how not to build a trailer in building this trailer. It is much too complicated & for 10% more weight I could have built it ten times faster. It took a year & a half of all my free nites, afternoons, weekends plus two months of 15hr days one summer to finish it. I've got pictures of the whole process & if I ever get my web page up I'll post them. The Lord willing, it will be at Sun&Fun 2001 with my SlingShot. My design criteria for the trailer was: 1) Must be light enough (<2,000lbs) to pull with a 6cyl engine. 2) Must be streamlined. 3) Must have zero sway & electric brakes so a midsize car can pull it.. 4) Must be able to walk around entire plane. 5) Must have front door. 6) Must have good natural lighting in roof & walls for dawn & dusk use & windows that open for ventilation. 7) Must have 120V & 12V interior lighting. 8) Must have a squishy/cushy suspension (rubber tortional axles, properly rated for actual weight). 9) Must have 2 axles (one to hold the trailer up when the other hits a pothole). 10) Must have a tongue weight of under 175lbs. 11) Must load easily, ie, the aircraft mains must not have to be raised more than 6 inches & one person with a bad back can load & unload the plane in good cloths in less than 5 minutes by himself. 12) Must provide shade for the hot treeless fields & airports in FL. 13) Must have plenty of interior tie-off points. 14) Must have a wood floor that does not hold dirt. 15) Must have room for propane refrigerator, portable toilet, spare tire, eight 2 1/2 gal gas cans & two storage boxes. 16) Must be able to support weight of tailboom with ratchet from roof. 17) Must be able to let down a pickup or Suburban tailgate & still access tongue jack & door. 18) Must be able to use tongue jack to change tires. 19) Must have break & drop tongue for unloading in extreme terrain. 20) All opennings must be lockable with a single key. 21) The rear wall must rotate up for rain/sun protection & be adjustable for height. 22) The last 6ft of floor must drop to form a ramp & it must be spring loaded to weigh <20lbs. 23) No tools will be required to open or close rear of trailer, and the ramp & rear door must mechanically lock together with walls to provide rigid structure. 24) Must cost less than $2,500 in materials. I spent 2 months planning, starting over & redrawing many times untill I could achieve the above criteria. It took years of getting by with terribly converted trailers to realize what I wanted for a great trailer. All of the features I now have are things I dreamed of having some day when I would build one from scratch. I trailer every time I fly so a good trailer makes all the difference in the world. I achieved all of my design criteria, most, by using the ideas of other creative people. #19 was a total waste of time as I have never used it & probably never will. #10 & #3 (determined by location of axles) was the hardest to attain because they tended to be mutually exclusive. But now the tongue weight does not change 10lbs with the plane on or off the trailer. That gave me more joy than anything else. Even though in hind sight I could have made it with much less work, I would do it all over again. Every time I load & unload I have a deep satisfaction as I recall the years of wasted time, sweat & misery of the "good ol' days" ...Richard Swiderski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon L Morrison" <eldon(at)gwi.net> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:02 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: - 11/14/00 Richard Swiderski's Trailer > > Hello Kolb'ers > > Noted reference to Rchard Swiderski's enclosed trailer in attached portion > of message posted. We are building a MKIII Extra on Full Lotus Floats > and looking for an enclosed trailer to house and transport it. If Richard is > on line I would appreciate a contract address and more information on his > trailer. > > eldon(at)gwi.net > > > From: dixieshack(at)webtv.net (orie shackelford) > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 11/13/00 > > > Those who forgot or missed the Florida Flying Gator fly-in this past > Saturday missed some great flying!! I got to meet Richard Swiderski and > look over his SS and his enclosed trailer which is built like a > BMW.. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)telepath.com>
Date: Nov 27, 2000
Subject: Re: FS rudder cable rubs on boom tube
> I had a suggestion from Kolb to apply some sort of phenolic coating on the > surfaces that are rubbing or creating friction. Or a second set of pulleys just aft of the first set so the cables are directed over the top and form a more favorable angle through the boom. That's the method I used as I just can't stand the thought of a cable routinely using a friction surface to seperate it from an intervening member as a cure the problem. Also cures cable slap within the tube. J.Baker ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dale Seitzer <dale(at)gmada.com>
Subject: New Slingshot
Date: Nov 28, 2000
Over the long weekend I flew off skis several times, turned up my idle speed and move the clip on my needle to the next rich position. I also had a chance to see a brand new Slingshot! Congratulations to Chuck Veith from St. Peter MN. Serial Number 25. Very well done -- bright white with blue accents--a 582 with Ivo prop. Chuck did a great job and he received his airworthyness certificate on Sat. and is eager to go. Chuck did not put in electric start--don't need it and it just adds weight. The Slingshot looks tough and lean and mean but there are some things I learned. The wings require 2 people to fold because the wing connections are at the top of the wing and as it drops the bottom of the wing hits the frame. With the new 582 and the new heavy duty muffler mount the left wing cannot fold at all. Folding wings are one of the best feature of the Kolb design. Dale Seitzer ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron" <ron.carroll(at)att.net>
Subject: For sale - Mark-3 w/618
Date: Nov 28, 2000
FOR SALE: Kolb Mark-III - N8979 This plane has less than 10 hours on it. It had a hard landing during an initial test flight that dinged the cage (GA pilot on final with full flaps and throttle back, you know the rest). I have put in a new cage from TNK and a dual stick mod, and it is right back in the 'like new' category. Some of the features include an EIS which includes an altimeter & VSI ( EIS has remote controls overhead in the wing-gap), Kolb full enclosure, Matco wheels & hydraulic heel brakes, wheelpants, an upgraded tailwheel, a Rotax 618 with a cermachromed exhaust system, WarpDrive 3-blade ground adjustable prop. It is finished using the Stits process with 2-coats of Poly Brush, 3-coats of Poly Spray, 2-coats of Poly Tone. The bad news for most of you is that it is located in Oregon, About 60-miles south of Portland. If you would like more information or pictures please reply to me directly. Also, the damaged cage is VERY repairable and also available, if you can weld a bit. Ron & Jan Carroll EAA Chapter 292 Independence, OR __!__ --------( / )-------- " " E-mail: ron.carroll(at)att.net Home: 1-503-838-1195 Fax: 1-503-838-4755 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WingManBill2(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 28, 2000
Subject: Gap Seal Mounting
Hey folks, I've got my gap seal made and would like to permanently mount this and still be able to fold the wings, any of ya out there done this and figured the best way to be able to still put in the clevis pins for the main spar attach point. Any pictures would be appreciated, you can just send em off list, thanks in advance! Bill J ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2000
From: John Richmond <twoschmoops(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Gap Seal Mounting
I need instruction on replacing my gap seals. Can use the same pictures please. Any big deal replacing mine? --- WingManBill2(at)aol.com wrote: > > Hey folks, I've got my gap seal made and would like to permanently > mount this > and still be able to fold the wings, any of ya out there done this > and > figured the best way to be able to still put in the clevis pins for > the main > spar attach point. Any pictures would be appreciated, you can just > send em > off list, thanks in advance! > > Bill J > > > > > > ===== John & Lynn Richmond :-) Palm Coast, Fl. Mk3, 582 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Swiderski" <swidersk(at)digital.net>
Subject: Re: New Slingshot - wing folding
Date: Nov 28, 2000
Dale & Chuck, I have a SlingShot & fold the wings by my lonesome each time I fly. One telescoping tent pole is all you need. Give me a call (352-622-4064) if interested. The muffler problem I assume is not due to a factory option. If so, I'm sure they'll provide a fix. ...Richard Swiderski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Seitzer" <dale(at)gmada.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:13 AM Subject: Kolb-List: New Slingshot > > Over the long weekend I flew off skis several times, turned up my idle > speed and move the clip on my needle to the next rich position. I also > had a chance to see a brand new Slingshot! Congratulations to Chuck Veith > from St. Peter MN. Serial Number 25. Very well done -- bright white with > blue accents--a 582 with Ivo prop. Chuck did a great job and he received > his airworthyness certificate on Sat. and is eager to go. Chuck did not > put in electric start--don't need it and it just adds weight. The > Slingshot looks tough and lean and mean but there are some things I > learned. The wings require 2 people to fold because the wing connections > are at the top of the wing and as it drops the bottom of the wing hits the > frame. With the new 582 and the new heavy duty muffler mount the left > wing cannot fold at all. Folding wings are one of the best feature of the > Kolb design. > Dale Seitzer > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MitchMnD(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 28, 2000
Subject: Flight Report
After several weeks of family obligations I finally made it to the Quincey, FL airport this A.M. I arrived there just before sunup and had the whole place to myself. The OAT was ~38 degrees and the wind was dead calm. I rolled her out and did an extra careful preflight since I had not flown her recently. Everything was up to specs in the preflight and she started on the third pull. I noticed she ran a little rough at low RPMs and even started to die a couple of times as I taxied to the departure position. The runway is 3,000' and I have plenty of time to get her back down if things go badly. I had forgotten how much difference that cold (dense) air makes in climbout. She was off the grass in no time and quickly rose to 3,000'. I cruised about ten miles north from Quincey out over some very large farming operations. I could see some folks picking tomatoes but most of the land in that area is waiting for spring. After some S-turns over a highway I headed back for the airport to try some touch and goes. There still were no other aircraft in the area so I did several 3,000 RPM approaches and landings, with and without flaperons. I even did some doubles where I touch down climb to about 30' then touch again and climb out. During these exercises I concluded that I can use my high drag to kill off speed gained in a steep approach and reduce landing roll if I am coming into a short field. You just have to develop and maintain the skill required to execute the "flair" at exactly the right time. The flight was one hour on my log. Since the plugs had not been changed for a while I put in a new set. The old ones had almost 17 hours on them and the electrodes were a nice lite brown but there was a coat of dry carbon on the end of the main body of the plugs. I checked the tops of the pistons and found that the centers were clean but there was a light coat of dry carbon away from the center. She was decarboned about 25 hours ago. If the new plugs don't improve her low RPM performance I will check the carburetor adjustments then go to an intake/exhaust inspection to check for carbon buildup. I know it is running rich but I hate to lean the fuel mixture because it always runs at the red line (1,200 degrees) when I am descending. She is propped to run at just over 6,000 RPM static. It takes a lot of time to stay ahead of these 447s but I have heard that it takes even longer to put one back together after a failed forced landing. Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL FireFly, SN007, 447, Ivo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MIKE HOUSEWERT" <mhousewert(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Mark III Trailering Questions
Date: Nov 28, 2000
I just purchased a Mark III and can anyone answer the following questions: 1. I just purchased a used (88 TT) Mark III. When the wings are folded back and in the pins, the wings actually touch the ground. Should not the tail wheel hold the wings several inches up off the ground in the folded back position? 2. When trailering (which I have not done yet), I am told that the wings need support and not just the support tube. How does one properly support the wings during trailering? By the way, my trailer is a open flat bed style and the airport is about 10-15 minutes away. 3. Lastly, when trailering the Mark III, how do you secure the flaps and ailerons to keep them from moving and/or contacting each other? If anyone could help me and if you have pictures that you could email, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mike Housewert --- MIKE HOUSEWERT --- mhousewert(at)earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. --- MIKE HOUSEWERT --- mhousewert(at)earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MIKE HOUSEWERT" <mhousewert(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: For sale - Mark-3 w/618
Date: Nov 28, 2000
Ron, How much are you asking for the Mark III? Mike ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 28, 2000
Subject: Re: Enclosed Trailer
In a message dated 11/27/00 6:38:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, swidersk(at)digital.net writes: << Even though in hind sight I could have made it with much less work, I would do it all over again. Every time I load & unload I have a deep satisfaction as I recall the years of wasted time, sweat & misery of the "good ol' days" ...Richard Swiderski >> Great Report Richard!!....makes me almost want to go out and start building a trailer!!...even though I never go anywhere!!....even when I fly! But it sounds like so much decent and required planning went into yours that you might consider having them built for others at a profit! ....bet it would catch on. GeoR38 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Swiderski" <swidersk(at)digital.net>
Subject: Re: Enclosed Trailer
Date: Nov 28, 2000
----- Original Message ----- From: <GeoR38(at)aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Enclosed Trailer > > In a message dated 11/27/00 6:38:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > swidersk(at)digital.net writes: > > << Even though in hind sight I could have made it with much less work, I > would do it all over again. Every time I load & unload I have a deep > satisfaction as I recall the years of wasted time, sweat & misery of the > "good ol' days" ...Richard Swiderski > >> > Great Report Richard!!....makes me almost want to go out and start building a > trailer!!...even though I never go anywhere!!....even when I fly! But it > sounds like so much decent and required planning went into yours that you > might consider having them built for others at a profit! ....bet it would > catch on. > GeoR38 GeoR38, Thanks, but I'd have to be pretty hungry to make a career of it. I was only motivated by my SlingShot wimpering in the garage begging me to fly her. I built an ugly 30x12x12 tarp-shed in my back yard (God bless my wife & neighbors) to constuct the trailer in. It was cold in the winter & the ground turned to mud when it rained. If a guy had a big shed or barn with a concrete floor & room for permanent jigs, he could probably do ok. A lot of people at Sun&Fun wanted to know where where I bought it because it was just what they wanted. No trailer builder in my area would consider building what I wanted built. They only offered to slightly modify their generic trailers. The need for a light, purpose built, enclosed ultralight trailer is out there. My guess is they would not be cheap. Richard Swiderski ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron" <ron.carroll(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: For sale - Mark-3 w/618
Date: Nov 28, 2000
Sorry about that! I totally forgot to enter the price. asking $15,900 Pictures on request. Ron & Jan Carroll EAA Chapter 292 Independence, OR __!__ --------( / )-------- " " E-mail: ron.carroll(at)att.net Home: 1-503-838-1195 Fax: 1-503-838-4755 ----- Original Message ----- From: MIKE HOUSEWERT <mhousewert(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 6:00 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: For sale - Mark-3 w/618 > > Ron, > > How much are you asking for the Mark III? > > Mike > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cooley" <johnc(at)datasync.com>
Subject: Re: Flight Report
Date: Nov 29, 2000
Enjoyed your flight report Duane. Keep'im coming. It motivates me to work on my Firestar project which basically just needs a little painting and some trim work done. Later, John Cooley Building FS II #1162 Lucedale, Ms > > After several weeks of family obligations I finally made it to the Quincey, > FL airport this A.M. I arrived there just before sunup and had the whole > place to myself. The OAT was ~38 degrees and the wind was dead calm. I rolled > her out and did an extra careful preflight since I had not flown her > recently. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2000
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: The Wheelie King Is Dead
Morning Gang: Another UL fatality: Doug Domokos, 44, of Lake Elsinore, California, died along with his instructor when an ultralight plane that the two men were flying crashed near Bear Creek Field in Murrieta, California, yesterday. URL for the complete story is: http://209.130.30.142/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=1359 Couldn't find anything local or in the FAA Accident Summaries on this one. Don't know what make aircraft or anyother details. john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2000
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 11/27/00
From: "Lawrence M. Rice" <tailwind5(at)juno.com>
To help prevent those sudden fuel supply blockages, why not put an old fashioned "finger strainer" in the tank? I could not find a ready made one to fit my tank outlet, or even any screen wire that was solderable or weldable. So, I made my own by drilling out the brass fitting I put in the outlet a bit, soldering in a piece of brass pipe, soldering the end of it shut, and drilling a lot of tiny holes in the brass pipe. Larry the Micro Mong guy. PS. The 2 stroke tips on the Kolb discussion list have been very informative! GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ALLENB007(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 30, 2000
Subject: Need advice on transponder
Guys, I am in need of a transponder. My wish list includes something that may or may not be small, ie 2/14 hole or 3'' or the flat version. One of my primary requirements is the best price I can get. I would appreciate any and all of this list's experience and advice. I look forward to your replies and thanks in advance, Allen Bellamy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2000
From: Lloyd McFarlane <lrmcf(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Accident
Another UL fatality: Doug Domokos, 44, of Lake Elsinore, California, died along with his instructor when an ultralight plane that the two men were flying crashed near Bear Creek Field in Murrieta, California, yesterday. They were flying a trike. Reportedly had been drinking, went up around 4 PM and were doing aerobatics. Sail ripped or wing folded from excess G's. Lloyd Fullerton, CA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 30, 2000
Subject: Re: Accident
<< They were flying a trike. Reportedly had been drinking, went up around 4 PM and were doing aerobatics. Sail ripped or wing folded from excess G's. Lloyd Fullerton, CA >> thanks for your explanation Lloyd,,,,another tale of self destruction..... GeoR38 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MitchMnD(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 30, 2000
Subject: Kolb List, R.I.P.?
Hey Tophera, gerken, Firehawk, Lindy, Hauck, Beauford etc, etc! Did you all give up flying or writing :) ? We have a few knowledgeable nubies but I sure miss seeing 20 to 30 posts every day. I'm going to give it a try tomorrow morning and will probably load my plane into the trailer after the flight and haul it to Panacea AP. There are very few emergency landing spots down there so I will stick to the "funnel" over the field until I find some places that can be used if my FireFly should become a glider. Staying on the list to keep it going, Duane the plane in vote-hungry Tallahassee, FL FireFly, SN 007, 447, IVO, 87 Hrs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Accident
Date: Nov 30, 2000
Yah, self destructive, for sure, but it still reflects badly on our sport - to the un-informed. Too bad. Thank you, Lurker Lloyd. Sadder Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: <GeoR38(at)aol.com> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:22 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Accident > > > << They were flying a trike. Reportedly had been drinking, went up around > 4 PM and were doing aerobatics. Sail ripped or wing folded from excess > G's. > > Lloyd > Fullerton, CA > >> > thanks for your explanation Lloyd,,,,another tale of self destruction..... > GeoR38 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb List, R.I.P.?
Date: Nov 30, 2000
Good luck, Duane. Keep the stories coming, it helps keep us lazy-bonses inspired. I miss the posts, too. Hard at work on Vamoose, while I enjoy (??) a couple of extra weeks off. Big Lar. ----- Original Message ----- From: <MitchMnD(at)aol.com> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 5:13 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List, R.I.P.? > > Hey Tophera, gerken, Firehawk, Lindy, Hauck, Beauford etc, etc! Did you all > give up flying or writing :) ? We have a few knowledgeable nubies but I sure > miss seeing 20 to 30 posts every day. > > I'm going to give it a try tomorrow morning and will probably load my plane > into the trailer after the flight and haul it to Panacea AP. There are very > few emergency landing spots down there so I will stick to the "funnel" over > the field until I find some places that can be used if my FireFly should > become a glider. > > Staying on the list to keep it going, > > Duane the plane in vote-hungry Tallahassee, FL FireFly, SN 007, 447, IVO, 87 > Hrs > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2000
From: Erwin Lackner <elackner(at)riverland.net.au>
Subject: Re:useless chatter
Please remove my name from your owner-colb list! > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "larrybiglar" <larrybiglar(at)email.msn.com>
Subject: Re:useless chatter
Date: Nov 30, 2000
Adios, M.F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erwin Lackner" <elackner(at)riverland.net.au> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:53 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re:useless chatter > > Please remove my name from your owner-colb list! > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb List, R.I.P.?
Date: Nov 30, 2000
been too busy to spend much time here lately. Currently designing a cowling for the RV-8 with a Powersport engine. John H. Can you give us an update on your rebuild? Topher ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: John's gear legs
Date: Nov 30, 2000
John I was searching around the archive and found this quote from you This set up is simple, uses straight tubing, no machining involved, cheap, durable yet very springy and strong and resilient. One weld on the axle and socket, plus drill some holes when aligning, then have the leg heat treated. No need to heat treat axle, but I guess you can. I do remember bending the axles on my Firestar from hard landings, but was simple to straighten by putting a piece of water pipe over the axle with a block under it, stand on water pipe (aprx 5 or 6 feet long) to achieve desired bend in axle. Heat treating axle and socket may prevent this bending. Just thought it was interesting that you discussed what ended up being the cause of your gear failure shortly before it happened. Topher ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2000
From: John Jung <jrjung(at)execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb List, R.I.P.?
Group, The low volume is normal for this time of year. People are reading but not having much to say. Probably not to much flying or building going on, between the weather and the holidays. I add a post about EIS to see if we can spark some interest. John Jung Firestar II N6163J Se Wisconsin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2000
From: John Jung <jrjung(at)execpc.com>
Subject: Ice flying and EIS
Group, I am starting to look forward to some ice flying soon. I know that this can be hard to understand for some of the southern list members, but up hear we land on frozen lakes in winter. Last winter, I was seeing speeds of 100 mph in my Firestar II, maybe 20 feet over the ice. It really gives a feeling of speed, to go fast that low. I think that I narrowly escaped an engine out, though. I had been monitoring my temperature gauges during winter flying, especially during high speed runs which included dives, but last summer I found excessive carbon build up and signs that the pistons had been overheated. I can't say for sure when it happened, but I suspect the winter flying. It was finding the signs of heat that caused me to switch to an EIS panel. I'm glad that I did, too. The EIS works great and gives me some extra confidence that the engine will stay running. After seeing how fast EG temperatures can change, on the EIS, I wonder how often the old gauges were just lagging behind and not telling the truth. With the EIS, one can just put the stick forward, unloading the prop, and watch the EGT's jump. Also, the EIS is so accurate that it is typical for all the temperature sensors to read the same, on switching the system on, after the plane has been sitting overnight. They will all read the ouside air temperatue, even when that is not within the designed range for the sensor. John Jung Firestar II N6163J Se Wisconsin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net>
Subject: To EIS or not To EIS
Date: Dec 01, 2000
Getting pretty close to making a decision on the instruments for my FireStar. I have heard both pros and cons on the EIS system. I would like to have some comments on this thing to help me decide. Thanks in advance Ron Payne Gilbertsville, Ky. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MIKE HOUSEWERT" <mhousewert(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Rotax 582
Date: Dec 01, 2000
I am in need of the 2 cycle oil for my water cooled 582 Rotax. When I talked with CPS yesterday, they said they recommend a mixture of 1/2 synthetic and 1/2 normal 2 cycle oil, which they sell. However, I need the oil today (12/1/00) so I can fly this weekend. Does anyone know if I can substitute a different 2 cycle oil? Thank you, Mike --- MIKE HOUSEWERT --- mhousewert(at)earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dale Seitzer <dale(at)gmada.com>
Subject: Rotax 582
Date: Dec 01, 2000
Rotax makes a 2 cycle engine oil and a synthetic blend--I think it is designed for their snowmobiles. Amzoil (synthetic) is compatable with all other oils and Pennzoil is highly recommended. FOr a short term situation I think you could use any high quality 2 stroke oil designed for water cooled engine. Dale Seitzer I am in need of the 2 cycle oil for my water cooled 582 Rotax. When I talked with CPS yesterday, they said they recommend a mixture of 1/2 synthetic and 1/2 normal 2 cycle oil, which they sell. However, I need the oil today (12/1/00) so I can fly this weekend. Does anyone know if I can substitute a different 2 cycle oil? Thank you, Mike ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2000
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org>
Subject: Re: Rotax 582/oil
Absolutely. Most people use Pennzoil 2 cycle oil for air cooled engines. I use Phillips Injex, have used it for 17 years with no problems. It is not as sooty as Phillips is, slightly cheaper. Either will work just fine. The only reason for using something fancier or mixing your own is.....Never mind, I can't think of a reason. Never mix oils! Some oils do not mix well. If you are not sure what you have in it now, drain the tank and start fresh when you go to a new brand. And run the engine long enough at a moderate power setting to get all the old oil out of the lines/pump/crankcase before you take off. Nine times out of ten, it will be OK, but every once in a while you will run into two oils that are really incompatible and the engine will seize. (Guess how I know this?) Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >I am in need of the 2 cycle oil for my water cooled 582 Rotax. When I >talked with CPS yesterday, they said they recommend a mixture of 1/2 >synthetic and 1/2 normal 2 cycle oil, which they sell. However, I need the >oil today (12/1/00) so I can fly this weekend. Does anyone know if I can >substitute a different 2 cycle oil? > >Thank you, > >Mike > > >--- MIKE HOUSEWERT >--- mhousewert(at)earthlink.net >--- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2000
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb List, R.I.P.?
> John H. Can you give us an update on your rebuild? > > Topher Topher and Kolbers: Good morning. Yes I can give you an update on repairing my MK III, Miss P'fer (pronounced pee-fer)(P fer plane). Let me get my second cup of coffee and I will tell you all all about it. It is 28F at hauck's holler, alabama, this morning. Don't know whether many of you paid much attention last week, but John Russell posted a message reference a new heated vest he purchased and tried out in his Slingshot. I talked to him on the phone about the Chilli Vest from England. He convinced me. Mine arrived here yesterday. Should have seen me walking around the house last night with my Chilli Vest on, hooked up to a Ultra Bat 5 amp hour battery made by ATP. Same battery that Tom Pehigny (Flight Star) sells, and Richard S. uses in his Sling Shot. It is very light weight and seems to work well. Well, as good as you can test one in a cold basement. Not the same as sitting in the airplane flying for any length of time. John says it works and I take his word for it. Didn't seem to draw much electricity to do its job. Has a heat control module that is state of the art. Looks very professional. Well, it should. They are selling for $179.95 plus 6.95 shipping. Ordered it Tuesday PM and it arrived Thursday from Jax, Fl. I never got around to installing a heating system in any of my airplanes. Tried to dress for the occassion, including the flight to Alaska in 1994. When it came time to make a decision on a heater, just could come around to running more water hoses, a heater, more electricity drain, etc. I think the Chilli Vest will get the job done. Now I have to get the airplane flying while it is still cold so I can test. Repairs for the MK III will begin as soon as I get the rest of my parts and supplies. I have been waiting on Brother Jim to return from a trip to Arizona. He was gone for a month. Had a chance to visit Will Uribe as he passed through El Paso. I ordered the HVLP paint outfit from Jim and Dondi Miller. It should be here next week. I have decided to remove the fabric from both wings, ailerons, and flaps. Even though there is only damage to the outboard rib of left wing and outboard end of left aileron. The paint and fabric on the MK III has been on there just short of 8 years. It is still in good shape, but there is a lot of it on there and time causes the paint to lose some of its color, etc. In order to get both wings to look and weigh the same, plus do an thorough inspection of both wings (1,400+ hours), I am going to redo both. The left wing looks good inside. I was concerned with water damage. Both wings took on a lot of water while stored outside the hanger at Muncho Lake, BC, this summer. However, there is no indication of corrosion or damage inside. Another question I had was mud dauberss/dirt daubers inside the wing. Bill Griffin's Baby Ace wing had a dump truck load of red clay hauled inside the wing by mud daubers. Was surprised that I did not have any. I did get them in the aileron of my Firestar years back. As soon as Jim gets his shop ready for me and Miss P'fer, we will be on our way to Woodville, Florida, to build new landing gear. Still undecided on welding axle sockets directly to gear legs or use axle/gear leg sockets. Either way we do it, both will be heat treated. If we go the axle/gear leg socket route, the gear leg will go inside the socket, rather than the other way around. I have upgraded to the next higher level of MATCO wheels and brakes. The new ones use a 3/4" axle with tapered roller bearings. I couldn't get the new set of Carlisle 800X600 tire beads to seat correctly, so installed my old set of "hand me down" Carlisle's that I was previously using. This set works good, fits well, and are lighter because most of the tread is already scuffed off them. I ran 8 lbs in them previously. Will experiment with lower pressures when we are up and flying again. Only problem with really low presssures are controlability on paved strips. I am waiting on a shipment of material from Kolb and some other vendors to get the repair job started. I took some time off to get away from the airplane for a while and recharge my battery. Now I am ready to get back in to it. I do not think we will have any problems with our new landing gear. We have been using this set up, with continuous improvements since 1987, on the Firestar. Basically use the same gear leg, 1 1/8 " X .120 4130 heat treated to 48 Rockwell. The major improvedment this go around will be heat treating everything and going to the larger axles, based on the max gross weight of Miss P'fer, configured and loaded for long XCs. Better get to work. The List is not dead.............. john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: aquila33(at)webtv.net (dann mann)
Date: Dec 01, 2000
Subject: Rotax 582
Mike Some of the local UL flyers are using Yamaha synthetic racing oil. I would think that any of the oils intended for use in personal watercarft would be acceptable. Especially since Rotax makes the engines for Sea Doo and the 582 is one of them. Call Rotax if in doubt. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MIKE HOUSEWERT" <mhousewert(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Rotax 582/oil
Date: Dec 01, 2000
Richard, Thank you for the email response and the advice about not mixing oils. I believe the previous owner used Penzoil 2 cycle for air-cooled engines as that is what is on the bottle he gave me. Thanks again, Mike ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2000
From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject: Re: Ice flying and EIS
I have been flying in cold weather (below freezing) and I have noticed greater EGT sensitivity. If you have leaned the engine out it does not take much of a rpm increase to cause the EGT to float up. One must pay attention to the engine noise and detect rpm increases. A couple 100 rpm can increase the EGT by 100 degrees F. At cruise I try to maintain constant engine rpm with small changes in angle of attack. If I am consistantly climbing or decending, I make a throttle change. Letting down to pattern altitude, one must throttle back. I can't imagine making a decent as cruise throttle setting without blowing the top out of the piston in cold weather. To stay warm, I fly with a LLBean cold weather outfit, ski pants, head and throat sock, soft flying helmet, goggles, and insulated boots and mittens. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO > >Group, > >I am starting to look forward to some ice flying soon. I know that this can be >hard to understand for some of the southern list members, but >up hear we land on frozen lakes in winter. Last winter, I was seeing speeds of >100 mph in my Firestar II, maybe 20 feet over the ice. It >really gives a feeling of speed, to go fast that low. > >I think that I narrowly escaped an engine out, though. I had been monitoring my >temperature gauges during winter flying, especially during high speed runs >which included dives, but last summer I found excessive carbon build up and >signs that the pistons had been overheated. I can't say for sure when it >happened, but I suspect the winter flying. It was finding the signs of heat >that caused me to switch to an EIS panel. I'm glad that I did, too. The EIS >works great and gives me some extra confidence that the engine will stay >running. After seeing how fast EG temperatures can change, on the EIS, I wonder >how often the old gauges were just lagging behind and not telling the truth. >With the EIS, one can just put the stick forward, unloading the prop, and watch >the EGT's jump. Also, the EIS is so accurate that it is typical for all the >temperature sensors to read the same, on switching the system on, after the >plane has been sitting overnight. They will all read the ouside air temperatue, >even when that is not within the designed range for the sensor. > >John Jung >Firestar II N6163J >Se Wisconsin > > Jack & Louise Hart jbhart(at)ldd.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron" <ron.carroll(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb List, R.I.P.?
Date: Dec 01, 2000
John, I've enjoyed your Kolb messages for several years. It is obvious that between you and your brother, you have a lot of talent and experience going for you. I'm no expert on the subject, but I wonder if heat treating the gear legs to 48 Rockwell & using 3/4" axles would make things outside the cage awfully stiff. Aren't the legs meant to be sacrificial in order to save the cage? Thanks, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:44 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb List, R.I.P.? - - SNIP - - > Good morning. Yes I can give you an update on repairing my > MK III, Miss P'fer (pronounced pee-fer)(P fer plane). Let > me get my second cup of coffee and I will tell you all all > about it. > - - SNIP - - > I do not think we will have any problems with our new > landing gear. We have been using this set up, with > continuous improvements since 1987, on the Firestar. > Basically use the same gear leg, 1 1/8 " X .120 4130 heat > treated to 48 Rockwell. The major improvedment this go > around will be heat treating everything and going to the > larger axles, based on the max gross weight of Miss P'fer, > configured and loaded for long XCs. > > Better get to work. The List is not dead.............. > > john h > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2000
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb List, R.I.P.?
> I'm no expert on the subject, but I wonder if heat treating the gear legs to > 48 Rockwell & using 3/4" axles would make things outside the cage awfully > stiff. Aren't the legs meant to be sacrificial in order to save the cage? > > Thanks, > > Ron Ron and Kolbers: 4130 Chromoly Steel in its normalized state is not very flexible. On the other hand, when heat treated to 48 Rockwell, the tube becomes a spring and very flexible. We have discovered through a lot of experimentation and use that 48 Rockwell is hard enough for a good spring, yet will bend before it will break. I tested both gear legs on the MK III in 1993, to destruction. Landed from about 30 feet, pancaked in, bent both gear legs 90 degrees. We use additional structure inside and outside the fuselage to carry the main gear. However, we had good luck using the standard gear leg sockets on the Firestar. We learned through experience to push the gear legs all the way in the sockets until they bottom out. Not half way as the original aluminum gear legs were mounted. This way the entire socket carries the load. I sheared the left socket on my Firestar on Grand Island, NY, in 1988, as the result of an engine out and landing about 10 feet before I should have been. That incident sheared the left gear leg socket at the end of the gear leg, just past mid-point, took out the entire tube cluster of the cage where the socket is attached. Made me wanna cry. The 5/8" Matco axles are solid. The 3/4" X .125 axles are tubular. Both are heat treated. The steel legs after heat treating are more flexible than the 7075 aluminum legs. Kolb uses steel legs, as an option, for the MK III. They are standard on the Sling Shot and the Kolbra. Jim and I have been using 4130 heat treated gear legs on the Firestar and MK III since 1987. Didn't take but a short time to figure out the aluminum legs would stand up to my pilot expertise. :-) We tried 1"X.090 at 46 Rockwell first, but discovered they were a little on the shy side of what we needed. Didn't have enough body and bent a little too easy. Then went to 1 1/8X.120 at 48 Rockwell. Just what the airplane doctor ordered. Work fine. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2000
From: Woody <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Subject: space filler
Since there are complaints about nothing on the list I'll start something to keep our thinking caps on. Often on the list there are comments about reducing weights. Often at the cost of several bucks to save a few ounces of weight. Some ideas are a lot of extra time and work to do for a minimal savings. Unless you are trying to keep your firefly under the legal limit do you really think it is necessary to cut out all the extra weight? In my opinion a heavier aircraft may perform in some ways better than a very light airplane. Imagine if you will a golf ball and a plastic practice golf ball. both the same size but a great weight difference. Throw the golf ball and it travels quite far. Throw the practice ball and it goes 10 ft. We can reduce drag or streamline our Kolbs all we want but we still do not have the mass to penetrate the air. Just like the plastic ball. True we may lose a minimal bit of the take off performance but heck Kolb can get away with losing a bit and it will still be better than most aeroplanes on the field. So the question is this do you think giving up a tiny bit of the great performance on takeoff is worth the bit of performance gained in flight when compared to the extra time, money and effort searching for lighter equipment and accessories? A friend of mine is building a Quicky 2. His theory on weight reduction is if he builds it according to plans the only weight reduction he can implement is in the cockpit. Good incentive for him to lose 30lbs. Perhaps if you want to save half a pound of flying weight so you can use the el cheapo battery from the auto store just skip a couple snacks. Any other ideas on the subject of weight reduction? I am sure John Hauck can tell us what it is like flying at different weights in his MK111 How much difference does 10 lbs make in flight characteristics? Personally I haven't noticed any difference if I am flying solo or with 30 lbs of camping gear beside me. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2000
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: space filler
I am sure John Hauck > can tell us what it is like flying at different weights in his MK111 How > much difference does 10 lbs make in flight characteristics? Personally I > haven't noticed any difference if I am flying solo or with 30 lbs of > camping gear beside me. Woody Woody and Gang: Positive side: About the only thing I can think of that weight improves is rough air penetration. If I am loaded down with fuel and equipment, and have a big passenger on board, turbulence is not nearly as uncomfortable as say a solo original Firestar flying on my wing. Right Bill Griffin? Negative side: a. More fuel to fly. My MK III with 10 gal on board, solo, and no equipment, will fly 88 MPH at 5000 rpm. With 25 gal fuel and over a hundred pounds cargo, it requires 5200 rpm to fly 85 mph. b. When you find yourself in a tight situation, i.e., clearing an obstacle on climbout of a confined area, clearing a mountain pass, power and weight play an important role in whether or not you are going to become a greasy spot on the face of the earth or clear it. c. The more an aircraft is loaded, the more it has to work to stay in the air and on the ground. Stress loads are increased. Stall speed increases. Have to land hotter. More wear and tear on landing gear and brakes. d. Usually hit the ground harder when you crash, the more you weigh. :-) e. Aircraft responds better when it is lighter. Airspeed, climb, turns, roll rate, are improved. f. I don't know. They are more fun to fly the lighter they are. After doing a lot of long XC flying, it is fun to unload all the junk, then go back out and play around. Makes the old bird feel like a brand new one. It is much harder to build a light plane than a heavy plane. Every little nut, bolt washer, adds to the total empty weight. And it adds up in a hurry. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2000
From: Johann G Johannsson <johann(at)caa.is>
Subject: Re: To EIS or not To EIS
Hi Ron. I have been using the EIS on my Firestar II, and I would highly recommend it to anyone. Just order the Super Size and with the altimeter option. The space on the panel is not enough for the VSI meter. I use the Speed, Altimeter and the EIS, but with the altimeter option, you will see an arrow Up or Down for your vertical speed. Great instrument. I did not order this option with my unit, but for me to upgrade my equipment to the altimeter addition, I would need to send the unit to your country, but it would be too expensive. Maybe when I visit next time, I will bring it along. The EIS is a great product, the service excellent, and it will also save you the grief of replacing all the inexpensive, inaccurate analog meters that will very soon fill up all your space on the panel, and cost you more in the end. Just my humble opinion. Best regards from Iceland. Very little flying this year, and nothing this winter yet. Johann G. Ron or Mary Payne wrote: > > > Getting pretty close to making a decision on the instruments for my > FireStar. I have heard both pros and cons on the EIS system. I would like > to have some comments on this thing to help me decide. Thanks in advance > > Ron Payne > Gilbertsville, Ky. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: To EIS or not To EIS
Date: Dec 01, 2000
I'm going to use individual instruments, altimeter, tach, ASI, etc. One gauge can fail and it won't affect any of the other gauges. Two "what-ch-ma-call-ems" can be applied here. KISS = keep it simple stupid and don't put all your gauges into one basket, or is it eggs? I forget! Besides it looks cooler with the different gauges and impresses the fairer sex. One question, "Is the panel layout in the Firestar blueprints full size?" Second question "Does any one know of a source for aircraft nose art, similar to W.W.II fighters, in a decal that can be applied to poly-fiber?" Ken Firestar Builder Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron or Mary Payne" <ronormar(at)apex.net> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 5:02 AM Subject: Kolb-List: To EIS or not To EIS > > Getting pretty close to making a decision on the instruments for my > FireStar. I have heard both pros and cons on the EIS system. I would like > to have some comments on this thing to help me decide. Thanks in advance > > Ron Payne > Gilbertsville, Ky. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Ice flying and EIS
Date: Dec 01, 2000
Sounds to cold for me. R U part polar bear, John? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jung" <jrjung(at)execpc.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 4:32 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Ice flying and EIS > > Group, > > I am starting to look forward to some ice flying soon. I know that this can be > hard to understand for some of the southern list members, but > up hear we land on frozen lakes in winter. Last winter, I was seeing speeds of > 100 mph in my Firestar II, maybe 20 feet over the ice. It > really gives a feeling of speed, to go fast that low. > > I think that I narrowly escaped an engine out, though. I had been monitoring my > temperature gauges during winter flying, especially during high speed runs > which included dives, but last summer I found excessive carbon build up and > signs that the pistons had been overheated. I can't say for sure when it > happened, but I suspect the winter flying. It was finding the signs of heat > that caused me to switch to an EIS panel. I'm glad that I did, too. The EIS > works great and gives me some extra confidence that the engine will stay > running. After seeing how fast EG temperatures can change, on the EIS, I wonder > how often the old gauges were just lagging behind and not telling the truth. > With the EIS, one can just put the stick forward, unloading the prop, and watch > the EGT's jump. Also, the EIS is so accurate that it is typical for all the > temperature sensors to read the same, on switching the system on, after the > plane has been sitting overnight. They will all read the ouside air temperatue, > even when that is not within the designed range for the sensor. > > John Jung > Firestar II N6163J > Se Wisconsin > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: VHF Transcievers
Date: Dec 01, 2000
I'd like to get some input on VHF transceivers, no nav capabilities. Something simple to use after I get my Firestar built. Uses are craft to craft, and entry and landing at uncontrolled airports. Can you give some recommendations? (1) transmit power and range (2) ease of use (3) memory, can you remember how to use it without studying an ops manual B 4 each flight (4) interfacing it to different intercoms, headsets, etc. (5) price and durability (6) capabilities in an ultralight aircraft. My cow has died so I don't need your bull! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 01, 2000
Subject: Re: Ice flying and EIS
In a message dated 12/1/00 6:33:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrjung(at)execpc.com writes: << Last winter, I was seeing speeds of 100 mph in my Firestar II, maybe 20 feet over the ice. It really gives a feeling of speed, to go fast that low. >> John, I thought Vne was 90mph on a Firestar. Howard Shackleford FS I SC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2000
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: VHF Transcievers
> I'd like to get some input on VHF transceivers, Ken Broste Ken and Gang: I have been using a King KX99 handheld since 1989. Easy to use. Compatible with intercom and headsets (real airplane types). Can still be serviced at Bendix/King. However, I see the new family of hand helds cost aprx $100 less than what it cost to overhaul my KX99.. Yeasu (sp) and Icom seem to be dominating the market now days. I have no experience with either. Might not hurt to look at some of the online aviation equipment auctions like AVWEB Auction. I bought a used GPS last Spring there. URL is: http://auction.avweb.com/osauction.stm Have fun. Think I'll take a look at what's being auctioned. Haven't checked it out in a while. john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 01, 2000
Subject: Re: To EIS or not To EIS


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