Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-dc
September 10, 2001 - September 24, 2001
>From: "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Kolb-List: Wing camera mount
>Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 18:58:26 -0400
>
>
>Here is a photo from a camera mount using the wing fold bracket and some
>left over angle aluminium. I had landed at an RC field and asked a fellow
>to
>hit the shutter on "timer" mode. This is where I was was at 10 seconds
>later. My video camera also fits on the mount and made an excellent video.
>And yes the thing flys great with it on, I can't tell the difference. Email
>me if you want a photo of the mount. By the way, my website is 90% done and
>I just about ready to publish which will include the Kolb builder/pilot
>database.
>Kip Laurie
>Firestar II
>Atlanta
>http://www16.brinkster.com/msirull/EAF/members/klaurie.htm
>dama(at)mindspring.com
>
>
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| From: | "BJ Moore" <BJMoore(at)c4farms.com> |
Jim Minewiser in North Carolina wrote: "Has anybody had experience with the rotax
532? Someone nearby has one for sale for $1000 including prop. Thinking about
it for my Mark III. Any comments?"
Flying Moose would just like to echo "old poops" and add a few comments.
I too have a 400 rpm window that the 532 won't hold. It can be annoying if you
are trying to hold altitude but with trim you can cruise at a higher or lower
speed to fix it. Mine won't hold between 4700 and 5300.
It traded out my 503 for the 532 and have been very happy that I did. My plane
really has a lot more performance for the mountain flying that I do. No more circling
before making mountain range crossings. Takeoff is at least 150 feet shorter.
I only have 60 hours on it since I got it. I would suggest the following after you get it. Have it totally rebuilt by your favorite, most trusted re-builder, go with the Airscrew CDI, and finally get the water pump/RV shaft kit from www.ultralightcenter.com to put your mind at ease concerning this "weak link" in the engine. You'll be into it about $2500 before you are done, but if it comes with the gearbox, carbs, and a decent prop, you can't beat it.
The only problem I have had with it was a spark plug getting loose on my first
XC trip and it flooded out the rear cylinder and made it so it wouldn't start
the next morning. That was all my fault, and no problems since. The dual spark
plug setup is something you don't get with the 532.
If you don't get it, let me know, as I just might need a spare engine and prop
at that price.
B.J. Moore, P.E.
Circle Four Farms Development Engineer
ASC Basic Flight Instructor - "The Flyin Moose".
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| From: | "Randy Berry" <sc_bassman(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need Suggestion for Web Page Utilitiy SW |
I presume that you mean FTP (File Transport Protocol) software over the Internet.
If so, you may wish to try FTP Explorer. You can use it to download whole
websites or parts of websites ... and upload them again to a host site. Best
of all, it's free for home use. Here's the URL:
http://www.ftpx.com/
FrontPage is a good software package to use to create websites. However, it is
not especially great when it comes to uploading and downloading information ...
since the only feature I've seen for doing that is PUBLISH
... which uploads or downloads the WHOLE website. But sometimes, all you need
to do is make a change to a page and replace it ... or add a picture ... or something
like that.
Good luck!
Randy
Firestar KXP, 503 DCDI
SC
----- Original Message -----
From: jerryb
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:08 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Need Suggestion for Web Page Utilitiy SW
OK, it going down.
Group, what's the best Web Site sucker downer program? (Copies entire web
site or pages there of for viewing later also what is available that you
can copy a web page and edit, cut, paste parts of it.)
r.msn.com
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| From: | "kb8wlu" <kb8wlu(at)tir.com> |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of BJ Moore
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 532
Jim Minewiser in North Carolina wrote: "Has anybody had experience with the
rotax 532? Someone nearby has one for sale for $1000 including prop.
Thinking about it for my Mark III. Any comments?"
Flying Moose would just like to echo "old poops" and add a few comments.
I too have a 400 rpm window that the 532 won't hold. It can be annoying if
you are trying to hold altitude but with trim you can cruise at a higher or
lower speed to fix it. Mine won't hold between 4700 and 5300.
It traded out my 503 for the 532 and have been very happy that I did. My
plane really has a lot more performance for the mountain flying that I do.
No more circling before making mountain range crossings. Takeoff is at least
150 feet shorter.
I only have 60 hours on it since I got it. I would suggest the following
after you get it. Have it totally rebuilt by your favorite, most trusted
re-builder, go with the Airscrew CDI, and finally get the water pump/RV
shaft kit from www.ultralightcenter.com to put your mind at ease concerning
this "weak link" in the engine. You'll be into it about $2500 before you
are done, but if it comes with the gearbox, carbs, and a decent prop, you
can't beat it.
The only problem I have had with it was a spark plug getting loose on my
first XC trip and it flooded out the rear cylinder and made it so it
wouldn't start the next morning. That was all my fault, and no problems
since. The dual spark plug setup is something you don't get with the 532.
If you don't get it, let me know, as I just might need a spare engine and
prop at that price.
B.J. Moore, P.E.
Circle Four Farms Development Engineer
ASC Basic Flight Instructor - "The Flyin Moose".
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| From: | "kb8wlu" <kb8wlu(at)tir.com> |
Hey Thanks bill for letting me sit in your new markIII Extra.i really liked
it i am trying to talk my wife into going to the kolb fly in maybe I will
see you their thanks again.....
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| From: | "Randy Berry" <sc_bassman(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Web page preservation |
If anyone is looking for a free site on which to post your webpage, check out Angelfire
at:
http://angelfire.lycos.com/
It's fairly easy to use with their "basic editor". You can also use HTML directly,
ifyou prefer ... or FTP directly to their site. You get up to 50 megabytes
of free space ... but you DO have to put up with advertisements. That's where
I have mine.
Randy
Firestar KXP
SC
----- Original Message -----
From: John Jung
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Web page preservation
Will and Group,
I have recently moved my web page to a free server. Also, it came down
to money. I had changes ISP's, after moving to the Upper Michigan, and
kept my old ISP just to keep my web page free of advertising. But $18
per month is too much to keep advertising off my web page, so now it is
with the free web provider, 0catch. Yes, there is really a catch. They
put advertising at the bottom. But I prefer that to the top. One can
make each page large enough so that the advertising is hidden, unless
scrolled. Those that want to keep a web page for free and still have
control of it, may want to consider 0catch.
Take a look at my Firestar II page on 0catch:
http://jrjung.0catch.com/Firestar.html
orer.msn.com
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| From: | "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need Suggestion for Web Page Utilitiy SW |
Front page has the option when you publish it to "publish changed pages
only" so that way you are not doing the entire website. The problem with
downloading an entire site and then uploading it to another via FTP, is that
you have to go in and change all the paths to have the links and images
correct. Front page has an import feature where you can download the whole
webpage, change one line and it will populate all the addresses in the paths
where it is needed. I recently did that with my RV website. I use Front
Page for both of my websites, and find the upload/download feature pretty
functional. The best part about it is if you add a page or delete a page,
it will change all the pages that reference that address. Food for thought.
Paul Besing
RV-6A N197AB Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Flying
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Berry" <sc_bassman(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need Suggestion for Web Page Utilitiy SW
>
> I presume that you mean FTP (File Transport Protocol) software over the I> nternet.
If so, you may wish to try FTP Explorer. You can use it to down> load
whole websites or parts of websites ... and upload them again to a h> ost site.
Best of all, it's free for home use. Here's the URL:
>
> http://www.ftpx.com/
>
> FrontPage is a good software package to use to create websites. However,> it
is not especially great when it comes to uploading and downloading in> formation
... since the only feature I've seen for doing that is PUBLISH
> ... which uploads or downloads the WHOLE website. But sometimes, all you> need
to do is make a change to a page and replace it ... or add a pictur> e ...
or something like that.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Randy
> Firestar KXP, 503 DCDI
> SC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jerryb
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:08 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Need Suggestion for Web Page Utilitiy SW
>
>
> OK, it going down.
> Group, what's the best Web Site sucker downer program? (Copies entire we> b
> site or pages there of for viewing later also what is available that you
> can copy a web page and edit, cut, paste parts of it.)
> r.msn.com
>
>
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| From: | "Randy Berry" <sc_bassman(at)hotmail.com> |
Not mine ... it's plane's. Note closely below. Mine is synchronized with the
Naval Observatory each day under software control.
----- Original Message -----
From: jerryb
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel burn
Randy,
You need to set your clock on your computer if you haven't already noticed
your year fast. It's still 2001.
Thanks
>
> Hi Herb
> I do not have a web site but maybe I should get one I can work on planes
>but this computer stuff is over my head I just bought a army surplu.com
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Humming propeller? |
Have you tracked your prop. Sit something like a chair close to the back
(flat) side near the tip. Rotate it blade by blade and see observe the
distance between the chair and the prop for each blade. They should be
close. If your seeing much difference the blade could be warped but more
likely the prop hasn't been torqued evenly. In worst cases it may need to
be shimmed, doesn't take much, a alum. gum wrapper. Also are the blades
balanced between each other. I've also just recently heard of one case
where the vibration was caused by the metal foil leading edge protector
tapes. They were removed the vibration disappeared.
>
>I just started getting the same buffeting vibration with my Kolb ultrastar
>with a Subaru engine. and I just put a warp drive 3 blade prop on at the
>same time that the buffeting vibration started. It works great on the
>ground but take off and get in the air you cant wait to get back on the
>ground. I am going back to the wood prop as soon as it gets here. my other
>wood prop that worked so good departed the plane when the prop hub broke had
>to make one more dead stick landing. no damage.
>
> Randy soobydoo in NC
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Frank Reynen <frank_reynen(at)ix.netcom.com>
>To:
>Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:56 AM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Humming propeller?
>
>
>
> >
> > Jack,
> > Is this a constant humming or is it a cylic type.
> > I have the same set-up you do with the 3-blade IVO and between 4500-5000
> > rpm, I get this cyclic rhum---rhum---rhum vibration/sound effect.
> > I ask John Hauck about this and he had the same sound in his plane but
>with
> > a different prop and had not found the source.This was 2 years ago.
> > I have heard it on one other MKIII with 912 flying in my area.
> > Frank Reynen
> > MKIII/912/Lotus floats
> > http://www.webcom.com/reynen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jack & Louise Hart" <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 6:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Humming propeller?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Johann,
> > >
> > > I had a similar experience - the humming like a bumble bee. I finally
> > > traced it to the left in board aileron piano hinge. You may want to ask
> > > your friend to check to see if they are loose. In my case it has been a
> > > chronic problem, and the vibration wore the hinge pin out. I have
> > replaced
> > > the hinge pin and removed as much play from the aileron push rod and
> > > aileron bell cranks as I could. See:
> > >
> > > http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly54.html
> > >
> > > Jack B. Hart FF004
> > > Jackson, MO
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Hi list members.
> > > >
> > > >My friend asked me to forward a problem to the list, regarding his Mark
> > > >III.
> > > >He has been experiencing some buffing or humming sound from his Ivo
>prop
> > > >at
> > > >rpm above 4500.
> > > >The engine is a Rotax 912, and the prop is an IVO prop three blade.
> > > >The propeller was sold for this particular set-up by IVO, so the prop
> > > >length should
> > > >be correct. My friend is using the 2 1/2 " prop spacer.
> > > >Could it be that the prop tips are around the speed of sound, and
> > > >creating this buffing
> > > >sound?
> > > >What are you Mark III Rotax 912 owners using for propeller, and what is
> > > >the
> > > >blade length?
> > > >
> > > >Thank you in advance,
> > > >
> > > >Johann G Johannsson
> > > >Iceland
> > > >Firestar II 59 hrs.
> > > >Enjoying every minute of it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jack & Louise Hart
> > > jbhart(at)ldd.net
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "John Anderson" <janderson3(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Humming propeller? |
I have an Ultrastar with a cuyuna ul 202 and it has had rummm rumm vibration
at 4500rpm since day one. Slightly higher or lower rpm and it goes away,
its just at 4500, never been able to find the problem and have never noticed
any problems its caused. I just stay away from the range becuase the noise
bothers. me.
John Anderson
$$janderson3$$@nc.rr.com
> >
> > >
> > > Jack,
> > > Is this a constant humming or is it a cylic type.
> > > I have the same set-up you do with the 3-blade IVO and between
4500-5000
> > > rpm, I get this cyclic rhum---rhum---rhum vibration/sound effect.
> > > I ask John Hauck about this and he had the same sound in his plane but
> >with
> > > a different prop and had not found the source.This was 2 years ago.
> > > I have heard it on one other MKIII with 912 flying in my area.
> > > Frank Reynen
> > > MKIII/912/Lotus floats
> > > http://www.webcom.com/reynen
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jack & Louise Hart" <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 6:59 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Humming propeller?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Johann,
> > > >
> > > > I had a similar experience - the humming like a bumble bee. I
finally
> > > > traced it to the left in board aileron piano hinge. You may want to
ask
> > > > your friend to check to see if they are loose. In my case it has
been a
> > > > chronic problem, and the vibration wore the hinge pin out. I have
> > > replaced
> > > > the hinge pin and removed as much play from the aileron push rod and
> > > > aileron bell cranks as I could. See:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly54.html
> > > >
> > > > Jack B. Hart FF004
> > > > Jackson, MO
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi list members.
> > > > >
> > > > >My friend asked me to forward a problem to the list, regarding his
Mark
> > > > >III.
> > > > >He has been experiencing some buffing or humming sound from his Ivo
> >prop
> > > > >at
> > > > >rpm above 4500.
> > > > >The engine is a Rotax 912, and the prop is an IVO prop three blade.
> > > > >The propeller was sold for this particular set-up by IVO, so the
prop
> > > > >length should
> > > > >be correct. My friend is using the 2 1/2 " prop spacer.
> > > > >Could it be that the prop tips are around the speed of sound, and
> > > > >creating this buffing
> > > > >sound?
> > > > >What are you Mark III Rotax 912 owners using for propeller, and
what is
> > > > >the
> > > > >blade length?
> > > > >
> > > > >Thank you in advance,
> > > > >
> > > > >Johann G Johannsson
> > > > >Iceland
> > > > >Firestar II 59 hrs.
> > > > >Enjoying every minute of it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jack & Louise Hart
> > > > jbhart(at)ldd.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fun with your 447 |
I promised some photos of how to fine tune the mid-range of the Bing
carburetor. The photos can be found at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly58.html
I have about an hour with this modification and it is working well. EGT's
are not sensitive from 6400 to about 4300 rpm. Below 4300 it gets peaky
until the rpms fall to 3800, and then the EGT's drop. This indicates that
I need a needle with a different slope on it. At 5600 rpm cruise, I am
burning three gallons per hour and I do not have to watch the gages all the
time.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jerry and Beauford,
I believe Beauford and I are both having the same problem. If you put the
clip in #2 slot for summer our 447's run too lean, and if the clip to #3
slot they run much to rich. I tried an experiment today. I bought some
little #4 flat brass washers. They were .032 inches thick. I placed one
on the needle under the clip that is in the #2 slot. I took a spin around
the pattern to see what was the effect. No difference in climb out, and on
down wind at cruise the EGT's registered 1100 which is the same as before.
But upon reducing the throttle the EGT's came up a little but they did not
get close to 1200 as before. I could set the throttle at 4600 - 4700 and
push the nose down and the EGT's did not come up to 1200.
This has me excited about a possible fix and it indicates that there is not
enough needle adjustment capability with the present needle and clip
system. I purchased some flat brass. I am in the process of making flat
inserts that will go around the needle and under the clip so that the
throttle cable and spring retainer can pass through just like the present
clip but also support the entire lower surface of the clip and the spring
retainer. With .025 inch spacers, it should give another three or four
finer needle adjustments going in between slots #2 and #3. As indicated by
the use of the washer today, it should allow us to get out the peaky EGT
area of slot #2.
When I get the spacers made and try them out I will let you know how it
comes out and I will take pictures that I can put them up on the web.
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
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| From: | TK <tkrolfe(at)epix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fun with your 447 |
Jack & Louise Hart wrote:
>
> I promised some photos of how to fine tune the mid-range of the Bing
> carburetor. The photos can be found at:
>
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly58.html
>
> I have about an hour with this modification and it is working well. EGT's
> are not sensitive from 6400 to about 4300 rpm. Below 4300 it gets peaky
> until the rpms fall to 3800, and then the EGT's drop. This indicates that
> I need a needle with a different slope on it. At 5600 rpm cruise, I am
> burning three gallons per hour and I do not have to watch the gages all the
> time.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Jackson, MO
>
>
> Jerry and Beauford,
>
> I believe Beauford and I are both having the same problem. If you put the
> clip in #2 slot for summer our 447's run too lean, and if the clip to #3
> slot they run much to rich. I tried an experiment today. I bought some
> little #4 flat brass washers. They were .032 inches thick. I placed one
> on the needle under the clip that is in the #2 slot. I took a spin around
> the pattern to see what was the effect. No difference in climb out, and on
> down wind at cruise the EGT's registered 1100 which is the same as before.
> But upon reducing the throttle the EGT's came up a little but they did not
> get close to 1200 as before. I could set the throttle at 4600 - 4700 and
> push the nose down and the EGT's did not come up to 1200.
>
Jack,
Have you considered taking T. Cowan's advise about needle type for a 447?
I know he has posted this several times on the list and I was slow to take
him up on it. Very glad I did now! I have been using the 11G2 needle he
recommended for several months now and I'm pleased with the results.
Good response in all ranges and good temps as well. Fuel consumption
normal or better. I don't have exact stats as you would prefer, but I know
you would give it a real good test.
The 11G2 needle is for a Rotax 532/582 and must have the clip in the third
notch down from the top as per (Ted's ?) instructions.
Maybe you can find more information on this in the archives. I'm not pushing
this, only sharing my experience. Thanks T. Cowan ( Ted?)
Terry FireFly # 95 447
>
>
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fun with your 447 |
Evening Gang:
Following this engineering/experimentation with interest.
However, I believe I can achieve the same results by
properly adjusting prop pitch to the engine and airplane.
If that is done correctly, there is no need to try and
improve on a system that has been around for many years
now. If I am to lean or rich at certain speeds, I can
increase or decrease pitch a little and take care of this
problem. For the most part, Rotax engineers have done a
good job and people get good service out of their 447's.
Some time when you are out flying your two stroke powered
Kolb, place the throttle in midrange/slow cruise rpm. Leave
it their. Keep your eye on the egt. Pull the nose up a
little and hold it. The egt drops because the engine is
loaded more and the mixture goes richer. Now back to level
flight and then drop the nose. EGT rises cause we have
unloaded the engine and the mixture goes leaner.
One of the nice things about our sport is the wide latitude
we can go to at our own discretion. However, it ain't
always necessary to go so wide when there is a much simpler
and proven method.
My own observations, experiences, opinions.
john h
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| From: | Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fun with your 447 |
>
>Jack,
>
>Have you considered taking T. Cowan's advise about needle type for a 447?
>I know he has posted this several times on the list and I was slow to take
>him up on it. Very glad I did now! I have been using the 11G2 needle he
>recommended for several months now and I'm pleased with the results.
>Good response in all ranges and good temps as well. Fuel consumption
>normal or better. I don't have exact stats as you would prefer, but I know
>you would give it a real good test.
>
>The 11G2 needle is for a Rotax 532/582 and must have the clip in the third
>notch down from the top as per (Ted's ?) instructions.
>
>Maybe you can find more information on this in the archives. I'm not pushing
>this, only sharing my experience. Thanks T. Cowan ( Ted?)
>
>Terry FireFly # 95 447
Terry,
Yes, I am flying with the Ted's 11G2 needle as of yesterday. I started out
with it in slot #2, and as of right now it is in slot #3. In this slot the
EGT's seem to be a little higher than the 15K2 with a shim. Also it peaks
a little at around 4200 rpm just like the 15K2. Next time I will try a
.016 shim under the clip to raise it just a little to try to drop the EGT's
back down to 1100 degrees. Another day and I will be able to decide which
way to go. Either way it is exciting, because I have felt there just was
not enough flexibility in needle slot choices. The shim/washers allow fine
tuning in the mid range.
If both needles remain peaky around the 4200 rpm range, I will take a
little material off the needle to richen it up at this throttle opening.
But before I can do it I have to make a throttle position indicator so I
can determine which section of the needle needs to be modified.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
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| Subject: | long lost archives? |
| From: | "Jim Gerken" <gerken(at)us.ibm.com> |
09/12/2001 08:33:53 AM
>From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fun with your 447
>I promised some photos of how to fine tune the mid-range of the Bing
>carburetor. The photos can be found at:
>http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly58.html
>I have about an hour with this modification and it is working well. EGT's
>are not sensitive from 6400 to about 4300 rpm. Below 4300 it gets peaky
>until the rpms fall to 3800, and then the EGT's drop. This indicates that
>I need a needle with a different slope on it. At 5600 rpm cruise, I am
>burning three gallons per hour and I do not have to watch the gages all
the
>time.
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Jackson, MO
It is too bad the archives are not more utilized. I have been succesfully
using this method for years, and reported it to the list way back when I
started. Sorry it did not get communicated. I get the feeling there is a
fair amount of this lost information, as I see the same questions come up
again and again over the years.
Jim Gerken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TK <tkrolfe(at)epix.net> |
Jack,
I like what your doing and how your going about it. Please keep us
informed
on how your making out.
As John points out, the prop has much to do with it also. I'm flying a two
blade wood prop,
66" x 30 pitch as provided by Kolb. I'm sure this is part of the equation
and someone else that is flying a three blade composite might have
different results.
Also want to compliment you on your data regarding attack angle and motor
angle. Good stuff!
Terry FireFly # 95 447
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fun with your 447 |
Jack,
Seeing the RPM range your running might be the actual problem. I'm far
from being an expert here but it seems like you may not have the engine
loaded enough. You may need to add a little pitch to the prop. A lightly
loaded engine will produce higher EGT temps. Normally we shoot for around
6000 RPM on takeoff run. Tied down static run target would be around
5800-5900 RPM. Folks with more experience please comment here.
jerryb
>
>I promised some photos of how to fine tune the mid-range of the Bing
>carburetor. The photos can be found at:
>
>http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly58.html
>
>I have about an hour with this modification and it is working well. EGT's
>are not sensitive from 6400 to about 4300 rpm. Below 4300 it gets peaky
>until the rpms fall to 3800, and then the EGT's drop. This indicates that
>I need a needle with a different slope on it. At 5600 rpm cruise, I am
>burning three gallons per hour and I do not have to watch the gages all the
>time.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Jackson, MO
>
>
>
>Jerry and Beauford,
>
>I believe Beauford and I are both having the same problem. If you put the
>clip in #2 slot for summer our 447's run too lean, and if the clip to #3
>slot they run much to rich. I tried an experiment today. I bought some
>little #4 flat brass washers. They were .032 inches thick. I placed one
>on the needle under the clip that is in the #2 slot. I took a spin around
>the pattern to see what was the effect. No difference in climb out, and on
>down wind at cruise the EGT's registered 1100 which is the same as before.
>But upon reducing the throttle the EGT's came up a little but they did not
>get close to 1200 as before. I could set the throttle at 4600 - 4700 and
>push the nose down and the EGT's did not come up to 1200.
>
>This has me excited about a possible fix and it indicates that there is not
>enough needle adjustment capability with the present needle and clip
>system. I purchased some flat brass. I am in the process of making flat
>inserts that will go around the needle and under the clip so that the
>throttle cable and spring retainer can pass through just like the present
>clip but also support the entire lower surface of the clip and the spring
>retainer. With .025 inch spacers, it should give another three or four
>finer needle adjustments going in between slots #2 and #3. As indicated by
>the use of the washer today, it should allow us to get out the peaky EGT
>area of slot #2.
>
>When I get the spacers made and try them out I will let you know how it
>comes out and I will take pictures that I can put them up on the web.of snip>
>
>
>Jack & Louise Hart
>jbhart(at)ldd.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fun with your 447 |
Jerry,
I believe you are right. I checked the HP and Torque curves, and 6400 is
about the peak of the HP curve and 6000 is the peak of the Torque curve. I
need to add pitch to my prop.
Thanks,
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
>
>Jack,
>Seeing the RPM range your running might be the actual problem. I'm far
>from being an expert here but it seems like you may not have the engine
>loaded enough. You may need to add a little pitch to the prop. A lightly
>loaded engine will produce higher EGT temps. Normally we shoot for around
>6000 RPM on takeoff run. Tied down static run target would be around
>5800-5900 RPM. Folks with more experience please comment here.
>jerryb
>
>
>>
>>I promised some photos of how to fine tune the mid-range of the Bing
>>carburetor. The photos can be found at:
>>
>>http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly58.html
>>
>>I have about an hour with this modification and it is working well. EGT's
>>are not sensitive from 6400 to about 4300 rpm. Below 4300 it gets peaky
>>until the rpms fall to 3800, and then the EGT's drop. This indicates that
>>I need a needle with a different slope on it. At 5600 rpm cruise, I am
>>burning three gallons per hour and I do not have to watch the gages all the
>>time.
>>
>>Jack B. Hart FF004
>>Jackson, MO
>>
>>
>>
>>Jerry and Beauford,
>>
>>I believe Beauford and I are both having the same problem. If you put the
>>clip in #2 slot for summer our 447's run too lean, and if the clip to #3
>>slot they run much to rich. I tried an experiment today. I bought some
>>little #4 flat brass washers. They were .032 inches thick. I placed one
>>on the needle under the clip that is in the #2 slot. I took a spin around
>>the pattern to see what was the effect. No difference in climb out, and on
>>down wind at cruise the EGT's registered 1100 which is the same as before.
>>But upon reducing the throttle the EGT's came up a little but they did not
>>get close to 1200 as before. I could set the throttle at 4600 - 4700 and
>>push the nose down and the EGT's did not come up to 1200.
>>
>>This has me excited about a possible fix and it indicates that there is not
>>enough needle adjustment capability with the present needle and clip
>>system. I purchased some flat brass. I am in the process of making flat
>>inserts that will go around the needle and under the clip so that the
>>throttle cable and spring retainer can pass through just like the present
>>clip but also support the entire lower surface of the clip and the spring
>>retainer. With .025 inch spacers, it should give another three or four
>>finer needle adjustments going in between slots #2 and #3. As indicated by
>>the use of the washer today, it should allow us to get out the peaky EGT
>>area of slot #2.
>>
>>When I get the spacers made and try them out I will let you know how it
>>comes out and I will take pictures that I can put them up on the web.>of snip>
>>
>>
>>Jack & Louise Hart
>>jbhart(at)ldd.net
>>
>>
>
>
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bob n <ronoy(at)shentel.net> |
Went out to arpt to add a little pitch to the old IVO, and was very
promptly accosted by the gendarmes before I could punch in the
gate-opening code! Not only nobody flies, nobody even gets to look at
their machines. Heck, the 6- 50 cal's recoil prolly woulda stopped me in
mid-flight anyway.
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
________________________________________________________________________________
Thread-Topic: Kolb-List: grnded
Thread-Index: AcE7vPH8YQTJMjN2QcOOAhCx9vZ2xwAAs0HA
| From: | "Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)" <Bettie.Seitzer(at)AndersenCorp.com> |
I was wondering what the stance would be on ultralights taking to the
air. Since we fly out of a private airpark, there were no gendarmes,
however, there is a National Guard location near us and I did not want
to risk being shot down as a risk to National Security! I cannot get
used to our sky (Minneapolis/St. Paul area)being so empty.
-----Original Message-----
From: bob n [mailto:ronoy(at)shentel.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: grnded
Went out to arpt to add a little pitch to the old IVO, and was very
promptly accosted by the gendarmes before I could punch in the
gate-opening code! Not only nobody flies, nobody even gets to look at
their machines. Heck, the 6- 50 cal's recoil prolly woulda stopped me in
mid-flight anyway.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Neilsen" <neilsenr(at)state.mi.us> |
Has anyone really tried to fly today? Has anyone been officially been told we can't
fly? I have my own strip and no one has said anything to me. I don't want
to cause anyone any grief after yesterday but does the grounding really apply
to us? Surely we can't be a threat. Has anyone heard when the grounding will
end?
Rick Neilsen
VW Powered MKIII
>>> ronoy(at)shentel.net 09/12/01 02:40PM >>>
Went out to arpt to add a little pitch to the old IVO, and was very
promptly accosted by the gendarmes before I could punch in the
gate-opening code! Not only nobody flies, nobody even gets to look at
their machines. Heck, the 6- 50 cal's recoil prolly woulda stopped me in
mid-flight anyway.
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
________________________________________________________________________________
Thread-Topic: Kolb-List: grnded
Thread-Index: AcE7xi9mnSCmwAeKQOev/2vHt3XypwAAV85Q
| From: | "Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)" <Bettie.Seitzer(at)AndersenCorp.com> |
I have been searching for that answer - there have been no official
statements regarding ultralights. Others have told me that all of the
towered airports in this area are closed and restricting access to
planes, hangars and runways. I have not been able to get through to
flight services. May be a case of where in the country you are. I bet
metro areas are more vigilant that spots out in the country,
particularly if folks are used to seeing your plane up in the air, but
that could backfire too since those folks would be able to name the
party who was up flying around. I have a fishing trip in an Aventura
scheduled for tomorrow and am hopeful that it will be worked out by
then.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Neilsen [mailto:neilsenr(at)state.mi.us]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: grnded
Has anyone really tried to fly today? Has anyone been officially been
told we can't fly? I have my own strip and no one has said anything to
me. I don't want to cause anyone any grief after yesterday but does the
grounding really apply to us? Surely we can't be a threat. Has anyone
heard when the grounding will end?
Rick Neilsen
VW Powered MKIII
>>> ronoy(at)shentel.net 09/12/01 02:40PM >>>
Went out to arpt to add a little pitch to the old IVO, and was very
promptly accosted by the gendarmes before I could punch in the
gate-opening code! Not only nobody flies, nobody even gets to look at
their machines. Heck, the 6- 50 cal's recoil prolly woulda stopped me in
mid-flight anyway.
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fun with your 447 |
Jack,
It doesn't take much change to the prop. If you have a IVO with quick
adjust, make a 1/4 turn and try it to make sure your going in the right
direction. Repeat until to get where you need to be. If you got to far
the wrong way you have a chance of seizing your engine before you even know
what happen. (The RPM go up because the engine isn't loaded and when you
throttle back you drop into the carbs mid range jets making it learn for
the high RPM and EGTs peak very quickly.) One of our less experienced guys
just done it on his 503. He didn't ask for help.
jerryb
>
>Jerry,
>
>I believe you are right. I checked the HP and Torque curves, and 6400 is
>about the peak of the HP curve and 6000 is the peak of the Torque curve. I
>need to add pitch to my prop.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Jackson, MO
>
> >
> >Jack,
> >Seeing the RPM range your running might be the actual problem. I'm far
> >from being an expert here but it seems like you may not have the engine
> >loaded enough. You may need to add a little pitch to the prop. A lightly
> >loaded engine will produce higher EGT temps. Normally we shoot for around
> >6000 RPM on takeoff run. Tied down static run target would be around
> >5800-5900 RPM. Folks with more experience please comment here.
> >jerryb
> >
> >
> >>
> >>I promised some photos of how to fine tune the mid-range of the Bing
> >>carburetor. The photos can be found at:
> >>
> >>http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly58.html
> >>
> >>I have about an hour with this modification and it is working well. EGT's
> >>are not sensitive from 6400 to about 4300 rpm. Below 4300 it gets peaky
> >>until the rpms fall to 3800, and then the EGT's drop. This indicates that
> >>I need a needle with a different slope on it. At 5600 rpm cruise, I am
> >>burning three gallons per hour and I do not have to watch the gages all the
> >>time.
> >>
> >>Jack B. Hart FF004
> >>Jackson, MO
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Jerry and Beauford,
> >>
> >>I believe Beauford and I are both having the same problem. If you put the
> >>clip in #2 slot for summer our 447's run too lean, and if the clip to #3
> >>slot they run much to rich. I tried an experiment today. I bought some
> >>little #4 flat brass washers. They were .032 inches thick. I placed one
> >>on the needle under the clip that is in the #2 slot. I took a spin around
> >>the pattern to see what was the effect. No difference in climb out, and on
> >>down wind at cruise the EGT's registered 1100 which is the same as before.
> >>But upon reducing the throttle the EGT's came up a little but they did not
> >>get close to 1200 as before. I could set the throttle at 4600 - 4700 and
> >>push the nose down and the EGT's did not come up to 1200.
> >>
> >>This has me excited about a possible fix and it indicates that there is not
> >>enough needle adjustment capability with the present needle and clip
> >>system. I purchased some flat brass. I am in the process of making flat
> >>inserts that will go around the needle and under the clip so that the
> >>throttle cable and spring retainer can pass through just like the present
> >>clip but also support the entire lower surface of the clip and the spring
> >>retainer. With .025 inch spacers, it should give another three or four
> >>finer needle adjustments going in between slots #2 and #3. As indicated by
> >>the use of the washer today, it should allow us to get out the peaky EGT
> >>area of slot #2.
> >>
> >>When I get the spacers made and try them out I will let you know how it
> >>comes out and I will take pictures that I can put them up on the web. >>of snip>
> >>
> >>
> >>Jack & Louise Hart
> >>jbhart(at)ldd.net
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>Jack & Louise Hart
>jbhart(at)ldd.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)iname.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Humming propeller? |
>
> > > I have the same set-up you do with the 3-blade IVO and between 4500-5000
> > > rpm, I get this cyclic rhum---rhum---rhum vibration/sound effect.
> >
Sounds to me like you have a weird harmonic between the engine and prop.
Could you change to a 2 blade IVO and see if it goes away?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
Ah, but you are a threat. You have a 2-place aircraft. You could be
hijacked and used in the same fashion. The target might be smaller but
still effective.
Now, the single places they would have to eject you or sit in you lap.
>
>Has anyone really tried to fly today? Has anyone been officially been told
>we can't fly? I have my own strip and no one has said anything to me. I
>don't want to cause anyone any grief after yesterday but does the
>grounding really apply to us? Surely we can't be a threat. Has anyone
>heard when the grounding will end?
>
>Rick Neilsen
>VW Powered MKIII
>
> >>> ronoy(at)shentel.net 09/12/01 02:40PM >>>
>
>Went out to arpt to add a little pitch to the old IVO, and was very
>promptly accosted by the gendarmes before I could punch in the
>gate-opening code! Not only nobody flies, nobody even gets to look at
>their machines. Heck, the 6- 50 cal's recoil prolly woulda stopped me in
>mid-flight anyway.
>
>Bob N.
>
>http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dale seitzer <dalemseitzer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Uneven EGT readings on 447 |
One cylinder is running 50-100 degrees hotter in the
midrange. (The rear cylinder) It is even almost to
1200 degrees on decent and a little over 1000 on Wide
open throttle.
So far I have done a compression test--results 110 lbs
after 5 pulls.
Pressure test--1/2 lb loss after 5 minutes with 6 lbs
of pressure.
Tightened the head bolts and intake manifolds--Thin
layer of RTV sealant on intake gaskets, regapped spark
plugs. Same gas and oil and mixture. I switched the
EGT probes to confirm the cylinder. Cleaned the
probes. Tightened the exhaust manifold bolts.
The rings look OK--very little carbon in the
combustion chamber.
The Rotax book says max. of 45 degree difference.
What am I missing? Am I over reacting? Many other
pilots report 50 degree or more differnece all the
time between cylinders. Next step would be to get new
EGT probes and guage perhaps.
This engine sat for almost 5 years with 80 hours on
it. I bought it and put on over 70 hours since April
and it works very well. Good fuel usage, excellent
performance, great starter, CDI ignition. Climbout
RPM is 6280 to 6320.
Dale Seitzer
Original Firestar
St. PAul MN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
View the FAA web page at www.faa.gov
See the following URL: http://www.faa.gov/dotstatement.htm
Below is what's posted on the duat.com page. Go to duat.com service and
view it for further info.
09/11/01
DUE TO EXTRADORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND FOR REASONS OF
SAFETY. ATTENTION ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATORS, BY ORDER OF THE FEDERAL
AVIATION COMMAND CENTER ALL AIRPORTS/AIRDROMES ARE NOT
AUTHORIZED FOR LANDING AND TAKEOFF. ALL TRAFFIC INCLUDING
AIRBORNE AIRCRAFT ARE ENCOURAGED TO LAND SHORTLY, INCLUDING
ALL HELICOPTER TRAFFIC.
AIRCRAFT INVOLVED IN FIREFIGHTING IN THE NORTHWEST US ARE EXCLUDED.
>
>
>I have been searching for that answer - there have been no official
>statements regarding ultralights. Others have told me that all of the
>towered airports in this area are closed and restricting access to
>planes, hangars and runways. I have not been able to get through to
>flight services. May be a case of where in the country you are. I bet
>metro areas are more vigilant that spots out in the country,
>particularly if folks are used to seeing your plane up in the air, but
>that could backfire too since those folks would be able to name the
>party who was up flying around. I have a fishing trip in an Aventura
>scheduled for tomorrow and am hopeful that it will be worked out by
>then.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Neilsen [mailto:neilsenr(at)state.mi.us]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:42 PM
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: grnded
>
>
>
>
>Has anyone really tried to fly today? Has anyone been officially been
>told we can't fly? I have my own strip and no one has said anything to
>me. I don't want to cause anyone any grief after yesterday but does the
>grounding really apply to us? Surely we can't be a threat. Has anyone
>heard when the grounding will end?
>
>Rick Neilsen
>VW Powered MKIII
>
> >>> ronoy(at)shentel.net 09/12/01 02:40PM >>>
>
>Went out to arpt to add a little pitch to the old IVO, and was very
>promptly accosted by the gendarmes before I could punch in the
>gate-opening code! Not only nobody flies, nobody even gets to look at
>their machines. Heck, the 6- 50 cal's recoil prolly woulda stopped me in
>mid-flight anyway.
>
>Bob N.
>
>http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sam Cox" <lightflyer(at)email.msn.com> |
> Went out to arpt to add a little pitch to the old IVO, and was very
> promptly accosted by the gendarmes before I could punch in the
> gate-opening code! Not only nobody flies, nobody even gets to look at
> their machines. Heck, the 6- 50 cal's recoil prolly woulda stopped me in
> mid-flight anyway.
>
> Bob N.
>
Ft. Worth, TX .. Mecham Field on the North side of Ft. Worth is normally a busy
airport for business aircraft. No
activity and every entry Rd. blocked by a police car.
Denton, TX.... CFI and student that thought that the stand down ended at 11 AM
local time received a military escort back to
the airfield. FAA to investigate.
Stay safe
Sam Cox
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron or Mary" <ronormar(at)apex.net> |
Does the grounding apply to private aircraft. I thought that this was for
commercial jets to prevent another attack. I don't think a Kolb FireStar
would be much of a threat to the Whitehouse---
Ron Payne
_-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lloyd McFarlane <lrmcf(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Wing Universal Joint Bracket |
Does anyone have a FireStar universal joint bracket with the large hole
which attaches to the cage drilled off center or not drilled at all. Am
looking to purchase. Want to alter the incidence of one wing and this
special bracket not available from TNK.
Lloyd McFarlane
Fullerton, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Uneven EGT readings on 447 |
>
>One cylinder is running 50-100 degrees hotter in the
>midrange. (The rear cylinder) It is even almost to
>1200 degrees on decent and a little over 1000 on Wide
>open throttle.
Dale,
Try rotating your carburetor clockwise just a little. This will swing the
needle jet more toward the port for the rear cylinder. Fly it and see what
happens. I found the same thing after I put on dual EGT gauges. I rotated
the carb, and now they lie on top of each other at cruise.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Don Prosser <skywrench007(at)yahoo.com> |
The Feds have jurisdiction of all airspace in this country regardless of
what you fly. The sky.....for now, is off limits. Stay on the ground and
don't become a news item drawing attention to the ultralight community.
This should last for a few days and no nore. Grounded in California.
--- Ron or Mary wrote:
>
> Does the grounding apply to private aircraft. I thought that this was for
> commercial jets to prevent another attack. I don't think a Kolb FireStar
> would be much of a threat to the Whitehouse---
>
> Ron Payne
>
>
>
> _-
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Minewiser" <flykolb(at)carolina.rr.com> |
I second your comments Don. Staying on the ground is a minor inconvenience
compared to what a lot of people are going through right now. Take the time
to do a good inspection of your craft, wash it, or fix it up.
Jim
Mark III
Charlotte, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Prosser" <skywrench007(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: grnded
>
> The Feds have jurisdiction of all airspace in this country regardless of
> what you fly. The sky.....for now, is off limits. Stay on the ground and
> don't become a news item drawing attention to the ultralight community.
> This should last for a few days and no nore. Grounded in California.
>
> --- Ron or Mary wrote:
> >
> > Does the grounding apply to private aircraft. I thought that this was
for
> > commercial jets to prevent another attack. I don't think a Kolb
FireStar
> > would be much of a threat to the Whitehouse---
> >
> > Ron Payne
> >
> >
> >
> > _-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Humming propeller? |
If you drop to 2-blades, made sure you crank in enough pitch. We just had
one guy do this and took out his Rotax 503, made it seize. He set the prop
twice, crow hopped it time. After the third adjustment he decided to fly
it, it was reeving to high cut the throttle back and thats all she
wrote. I strongly suggest tieing the tail down and completing a ground run
before you fly it. Make sure to warm the cylinders up first (200 degrees
F) before you go to full power. Know your RPM targets before hand.
>
>
> >
> > > > I have the same set-up you do with the 3-blade IVO and between
> 4500-5000
> > > > rpm, I get this cyclic rhum---rhum---rhum vibration/sound effect.
> > >
>
>
> Sounds to me like you have a weird harmonic between the engine and prop.
>Could you change to a 2 blade IVO and see if it goes away?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack Carillon <pcarillonsr(at)neo.rr.com> |
Yesterday a little after noon a coworker and my self were eating lunch outside
on a jobsite when we
heard a jet which sounded like it was manuvering ,we both looked at each other
since everything was
supposed to be grounded. We walked out to the middle of the street to look for
the plane which was
getting louder when two F- 16's came by climbing toward the east very
fast. We went back to eating our lunch and listening to the radio about the disaster
that had taken
place when a guy called the station and said he was traveling up interstate 271
and just saw a small
Piper Cub, flying low over the interstate when this jet came in by him and stood
it nose high on its
tail to fly slow enough to look him over then sped away. We must have seen them
leaving the area. We
are about 25 miles south of Cleveland Ohio. Don't know what happened to Cub pilot
but i bet he had to
change his shorts when he landed.
Jack Carillon
Akron, Oh.
Firestar II
"Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)" wrote:
>
> I was wondering what the stance would be on ultralights taking to the
> air. Since we fly out of a private airpark, there were no gendarmes,
> however, there is a National Guard location near us and I did not want
> to risk being shot down as a risk to National Security! I cannot get
> used to our sky (Minneapolis/St. Paul area)being so empty.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bob n [mailto:ronoy(at)shentel.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:41 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: grnded
>
>
> Went out to arpt to add a little pitch to the old IVO, and was very
> promptly accosted by the gendarmes before I could punch in the
> gate-opening code! Not only nobody flies, nobody even gets to look at
> their machines. Heck, the 6- 50 cal's recoil prolly woulda stopped me in
> mid-flight anyway.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)iname.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Uneven EGT readings on 447 |
A Next step would be to get new
>EGT probes and guage perhaps.
Before you spend money perhaps you can swap the probes or the wiring on
back of the gauge and see if the differences are swapped also. A lot
cheaper than buying new stuff and will tell you more info.
Just a thought from the Canadian tight wad.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jon LaVasseur <firestar503(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Uneven EGT readings on 447 |
Hi Dale,
Jon LaVasseur here, I've had 100 degree difference
between the cylinders on my 503 since new. It has not
seemed to cause any problem.
I did attend the Rotax seminar at Oshkosh and Phil
Lockwood remarked that he wouldn't like to see 100
degrees difference. He also commented that as much as
we might think otherwise, carbs can be unequal. His
suggestion was to change the jetting to get the temps
parallel even if it means they don't have equal
jetting.
I have not tried to remedy my difference but it may be
worth trying when I get enough time and space.
I do have a few old newsletters. If you have a list
of those you now posses or a list of "wanteds" I will
be happy to share them with you.
You might want to carry a big pistol to defend
yourself against F-16's if you are flying to Fairbault
on Saturday. :-)
Hope the skies are open and the weather is great.
See you then.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Berry" <sc_bassman(at)hotmail.com> |
Not mine ... it's plane's. Note closely below. Mine is synchronized with the
Naval Observatory each day under software control.
----- Original Message -----
From: jerryb
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel burn
Randy,
You need to set your clock on your computer if you haven't already noticed
your year fast. It's still 2001.
Thanks
>
> Hi Herb
> I do not have a web site but maybe I should get one I can work on planes
>but this computer stuff is over my head I just bought a army surplu.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Julian Warren <jgw300(at)webolium.com> |
In light of yesterday's horrific events, I am sure we would
like to express its deepest sympathies to the families and
friends of the innocent victims of this tragedy. Our hearts
are with you.
Remaining on the ground for a few days is a small thing to ask. My
prayers especially go out to the passengers and crew of the air liner
that crashed in the open field. It took real guts to take their own
lives when they were not aware what had happened in New York. Of such
caliber of men and women was this nation created, and defended over the
years. When it comes my time to answer the call.... may I conduct
myself in a like manner.
Julian Warren
Eugene, Oregon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
At 11:02 PM 9/12/2001, you wrote:
>It took real guts to take their own
>lives when they were not aware what had happened in New York. Of such
>caliber of men and women was this nation created, and defended over the
>years.
The story now is, they knew what was going on... someone on the plane using
a cell phone was told what had happened in New York... the men on the
plane then voted on whether to attempt to take back the plane, and tried...
and the plane went down (probably, my guess, is in the struggle, the
terrorist pilot knew he was about to lose that little battle and so flew it
into the ground).
Those Americans on that plane were ALL heros, risking -- and ultimately
giving -- their lives in order to save others. I'm unspeakably sad, but
unfalteringly proud.
-- R
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
How big of hole would a round from a F-16 make in fabric and would a
air-air missile just go thru the fabric or would it detonate. The rocket
on a BRS emergency chute will punch thru more than you think it would. At
least the jets jocks are having a good time out of all this. Looking up....
>
>Yesterday a little after noon a coworker and my self were eating lunch
>outside on a jobsite when we
>heard a jet which sounded like it was manuvering ,we both looked at each
>other since everything was
>supposed to be grounded. We walked out to the middle of the street to look
>for the plane which was
>getting louder when two F- 16's came by climbing toward the east very
>fast. We went back to eating our lunch and listening to the radio
>about the disaster that had taken
>place when a guy called the station and said he was traveling up
>interstate 271 and just saw a small
>Piper Cub, flying low over the interstate when this jet came in by him and
>stood it nose high on its
>tail to fly slow enough to look him over then sped away. We must have
>seen them leaving the area. We
>are about 25 miles south of Cleveland Ohio. Don't know what happened to
>Cub pilot but i bet he had to
>change his shorts when he landed.
> Jack Carillon
>Akron, Oh.
>Firestar II
>"Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)" wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I was wondering what the stance would be on ultralights taking to the
> > air. Since we fly out of a private airpark, there were no gendarmes,
> > however, there is a National Guard location near us and I did not want
> > to risk being shot down as a risk to National Security! I cannot get
> > used to our sky (Minneapolis/St. Paul area)being so empty.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bob n [mailto:ronoy(at)shentel.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:41 PM
> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Kolb-List: grnded
> >
> >
> > Went out to arpt to add a little pitch to the old IVO, and was very
> > promptly accosted by the gendarmes before I could punch in the
> > gate-opening code! Not only nobody flies, nobody even gets to look at
> > their machines. Heck, the 6- 50 cal's recoil prolly woulda stopped me in
> > mid-flight anyway.
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fun with your 447 |
Jack,
I recall reading in one of your post you torques the heads and intake
manifold, what about the exhaust manifold?
I assume your following the torquing pattern and not slowly torquing each
bolt a little at time rotating between bolts following the pattern so it
pulls the manifold up evenly. Do not torque one bolt all the way in one
shot it will cock the manifold where it may not seal. A small air leak
will cause that cylinder to run hotter.
Also look around the cylinder for any small collections oil which may
appear as black tar like substances. These can be signs of where air leaks
may be occurring.
Once your sure you gauges are OK, try tilting the carb as suggested in one
of the other post. Shouldn't take very much.
jerryb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
I'm not so sure they didn't know what was happening. At least the flight
deck may have known from the radio. People normally would not risk their
lives unless they had some deep feeling they weren't going to survive if
they left them continue. They may not have known everything but they had
to have some clue by what was said. The pilots may have been aware and
made a last effort heroic act to stop the event from occurring. Even if
the voice recorder is recovered and analyzed we may still never know.
>
>In light of yesterday's horrific events, I am sure we would
>like to express its deepest sympathies to the families and
>friends of the innocent victims of this tragedy. Our hearts
>are with you.
>
>Remaining on the ground for a few days is a small thing to ask. My
>prayers especially go out to the passengers and crew of the air liner
>that crashed in the open field. It took real guts to take their own
>lives when they were not aware what had happened in New York. Of such
>caliber of men and women was this nation created, and defended over the
>years. When it comes my time to answer the call.... may I conduct
>myself in a like manner.
>
>Julian Warren
>Eugene, Oregon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | In Respect - Display our Flag |
We can't help those that perished as the result of the Tuesday's heinous
act but we can show our united respect by displaying our country's flag in
their honor.
Jerry Bidle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com> |
It seems trivial these days but I finally have the Kolb Database online
in a primitive form. I hope it is a good reference for everybody. Perhaps a
quick return to a normal way of life is the best form individual
retaliation.
Kip Laurie
Firestar II
Atlanta
http://www.springeraviation.net/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bob n <ronoy(at)shentel.net> |
Old fren' John,
Ain't you 1000% glad you didn't get caught in this no-flying shit while
enroute earlier?
I have a small favor to ask. I have friends from Pakistan who are
camping their way around the States. They have asked me if I know
where they might be able to go without spending large amounts of money.
I
said I would try my friends and family for accommodation. They travel
light
and bring all their own camping gear, and only require
a small place to set up. I have given them your name and address
anyway
in anticipation that you won't mind if they set up a tent in your back
yard.
I have enclosed a picture to help identification if they turn up.
Thanks,
bn
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Database Online |
Looks good, Kip. Could I ask you to update my website address ?? Many
thanks. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:28 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Database Online
>
> It seems trivial these days but I finally have the Kolb Database online
> in a primitive form. I hope it is a good reference for everybody. Perhaps
a
> quick return to a normal way of life is the best form individual
> retaliation.
> Kip Laurie
> Firestar II
> Atlanta
> http://www.springeraviation.net/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
bob n wrote:
>
>
> Old fren' John,
>
> Ain't you 1000% glad you didn't get caught in this no-flying shit while
> enroute earlier?
> I have a small favor to ask. I have friends from Pakistan who are
> camping their way around the States. They have asked me if I know
> where they might be able to go without spending large amounts of money.
> I
> said I would try my friends and family for accommodation. They travel
> light
> and bring all their own camping gear, and only require
> a small place to set up. I have given them your name and address
> anyway
> in anticipation that you won't mind if they set up a tent in your back
> yard.
> I have enclosed a picture to help identification if they turn up.
> Thanks,
>
> bn
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mark haley" <mhaley(at)cableone.net> |
bad taste John.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Homecoming
>
> bob n wrote:
> >
> >
> > Old fren' John,
> >
> > Ain't you 1000% glad you didn't get caught in this no-flying shit while
> > enroute earlier?
> > I have a small favor to ask. I have friends from Pakistan who are
> > camping their way around the States. They have asked me if I know
> > where they might be able to go without spending large amounts of money.
> > I
> > said I would try my friends and family for accommodation. They travel
> > light
> > and bring all their own camping gear, and only require
> > a small place to set up. I have given them your name and address
> > anyway
> > in anticipation that you won't mind if they set up a tent in your back
> > yard.
> > I have enclosed a picture to help identification if they turn up.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > bn
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bob n <ronoy(at)shentel.net> |
| Subject: | "bad taste John" |
Mr. Haley,
When you accused John Hauk of bad taste, what did you mean? I was the
one who who used the word shit in what was to be a private msg to my
good friend John. If you can read, you would have seen the initial msg,
my msg w/ apology, and John's inadvertant msg.
Your msg accusing John was in bad taste. Get a life.
Bob N. The Grey Baron
pee ess how do you know a john tastes bad?
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 9/12/01 6:21:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
slyck(at)frontiernet.net writes:
> Group, I'm normally a sort of cynical, opinionated , smug, big-mouth
> type of guy (was even called "jerk" on fly-ul). These events have really
>
> dampened my spirits. --sucks the beauty out of an otherwise perfect
>
Bob, with those special charactaristics of character, you MUST be a very
likable guy. Yea, I and everyone else in the good ol usa feels like
....sapped, or shit.
GeoR38
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Peer <quick503(at)yahoo.com> |
I am ashamed to say that when I got my flag out of the
closet to display today I had forgotten how to do it.
I found this website that explained it and hope it
might help others.
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
Cheers, Mike P
=====
-Please stop by my Mitchell U2 Builders Web Site.
-http://www.geocities.com/quick503/
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
Donate cash, emergency relief information
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "twistedclicks" <todd(at)twistedclicks.com> |
Well the unspeakable happened. I lost a blade on take-off. I was about
thirty feet up, got the engine shut down in a heartbeat but couldn't get
enough airspeed up to really fly the aircraft into a proper landing. People
on the ground thought I'd made it but we never got to landing speed.
Crushing speed was more like it. I was able to nose over and held the stick
forward as long as I could at which point I pulled back to flare but rather
pancaked-in tearing off the gear leg on my side and bending the other about
30 degrees. We then slid for about 25 feet on the turf carving up a lot of
dirt and spun around 180 degrees on my landing gear stub or lack of it so to
speak. Pretty hairy ride but the steel cage saved us. One thing that really
surprised me was just how fast you run out of time in an emergency. Trying
to shut down a motor and remember to fly at the same time is VERY difficult.
The aircraft stopped it's forward speed unbelievably quickly. It took me at
least over a second maybe two to realize what was going on. All of a sudden
I was in a wearing blender. I was immediately worried about loosing the
engine off it mount, cutting the tail boom off and then not being able to
fly the aircraft. I think if I had 20 more feet in altitude I'd have been
fine. So much for hindsight and wishing.
Sadly I can't afford to buy a new cage and so I'm parting out the entire
aircraft.
Please make any reasonable offers:
1. the tail boom(powder coated) and empenauge(complete tail) are in tact.
Pick up only,
2. both wings - I'd use them for the ribs and flaps and ailerons. They are
not bent but should not be flown.
3. EIS (rotax)& Kunsleman ignition switchbox with EIS remotes, AIS, ALT.
with wiring.
4. 2 ~ 5 gal. gas tanks
5. 2 ~ Matco 1200 Lb cast aluminum HD wheels. 15 6.00x6 tires, disk brakes,
dual hand brakes, couplers & tubing.
6. MKIII dual controls,
7. Rotax after muffler, assorted hardware
8. Linx headsets(2) with charger, Icom interface with remote PPT switch&
Icom A3 radio with 12 volt adapter. This setup cost over $800 and is
outstanding. Will accept any bit over $450.
9. What ever misc.. stuff is around.electrical, wiring, battery cables.,
Inspection plates. Rotax 582 mounting plate with Lord mounts.
I haven't completely inventoried everything but will over the weekend. If
you interested in saving a lot of money on your build and parts support pile
let me know. I'm in Connecticut. Figure on shipping costs to your state.
If someone is interested I'll sell the entire lot for $1750.00 or reasonable
offer.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Cavuontop(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 9/14/01 2:43:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
todd(at)twistedclicks.com writes:
> 6.
I'd be interested in this item if you would sell it separately. What sort of
prop did you have?
Mark R. Sellers
Kolb Twinstar Mark III
N496BM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary r. voigt" <johndeereantique(at)uswest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: useless chatter |
My week is going bad enough as it is and i don't need useless
chatter---this post could have been sent to one person only that could have
benefited from it---doesn't help me at all with kolb issues. please
remember when sending info.ask yourself--who will it benefit
thanks,
Gary r. voigt
bob n wrote:
>
> Old fren' John,
>
> Ain't you 1000% glad you didn't get caught in this no-flying shit while
> enroute earlier?
> I have a small favor to ask. I have friends from Pakistan who are
> camping their way around the States. They have asked me if I know
> where they might be able to go without spending large amounts of money.
> I
> said I would try my friends and family for accommodation. They travel
> light
> and bring all their own camping gear, and only require
> a small place to set up. I have given them your name and address
> anyway
> in anticipation that you won't mind if they set up a tent in your back
> yard.
> I have enclosed a picture to help identification if they turn up.
> Thanks,
>
> bn
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com, avionics-list(at)matronics.com,
rv4-list(at)matronics.com, rv6-list(at)matronics.com, tailwind-list(at)matronics.com,
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: | Printing Labels on Wire... |
Hello Listers,
I've been pondering the impending electrical wiring of the 'ol RV-4 and
it occurred to me that at some point in my 10-year building process someone
showed me a nifty wire labeler that would allow you to put most any
gauge of wire in one side and pull it completely through. The labeler
would repeatedly print a string of text along the wire from one end to the
other. I have no idea now where I saw this labeler or what it was
called. Does anyone have any insight on this device?
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-4 / #1763 / N442RV
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "J. Forster" <jfor(at)onemain.com> |
rv4-list(at)matronics.com, rv6-list(at)matronics.com, tailwind-list(at)matronics.com,
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: | Re: Avionics-List: Printing Labels on Wire... |
They are thermal printers. I don't remember who makes them but it might be Allen
Avionics. Try eBay.
-John
Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> Avionics-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> I've been pondering the impending electrical wiring of the 'ol RV-4 and
> it occurred to me that at some point in my 10-year building process someone
> showed me a nifty wire labeler that would allow you to put most any
> gauge of wire in one side and pull it completely through. The labeler
> would repeatedly print a string of text along the wire from one end to the
> other. I have no idea now where I saw this labeler or what it was
> called. Does anyone have any insight on this device?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt Dralle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bob n <ronoy(at)shentel.net> |
Matt, there are a buncha wire marker sites under wire
markers--netscape. If you can't bring them up, ctc me.
bn
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Herren" <wmdherren(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: useless chatter |
It was intended for only one and he has apologized - you forgot "Do not
archive." None of us is immune to error - but I wish more would try. Bill
in Lousyana
>From: "Gary r. voigt" <johndeereantique(at)uswest.net>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: useless chatter
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:00:38 -0500
>
>
>
> My week is going bad enough as it is and i don't need useless
>chatter---this post could have been sent to one person only that could have
>benefited from it---doesn't help me at all with kolb issues. please
>remember when sending info.ask yourself--who will it benefit
>
>
> thanks,
> Gary r. voigt
>
>bob n wrote:
>
> >
> > Old fren' John,
> >
> > Ain't you 1000% glad you didn't get caught in this no-flying shit while
> > enroute earlier?
> > I have a small favor to ask. I have friends from Pakistan who are
> > camping their way around the States. They have asked me if I know
> > where they might be able to go without spending large amounts of money.
> > I
> > said I would try my friends and family for accommodation. They travel
> > light
> > and bring all their own camping gear, and only require
> > a small place to set up. I have given them your name and address
> > anyway
> > in anticipation that you won't mind if they set up a tent in your back
> > yard.
> > I have enclosed a picture to help identification if they turn up.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > bn
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 9/12/01 9:04:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pcarillonsr(at)neo.rr.com writes:
> We went back to eating our lunch and listening to the radio about the
> disaster that had taken
> place when a guy called the station and said he was traveling up interstate
> 271 and just saw a small
> Piper Cub, flying low over the interstate when this jet came in by him and
> stood it nose high on its
> tail to fly slow enough to look him over then sped away. We must have seen
> them leaving the area. We
> are about 25 miles south of Cleveland Ohio. Don't know what happened to Cub
> pilot but i bet he had to
> change his shorts when he landed.
> Jack Carillon
> Akron, Oh.
> Firestar II
>
Hey Jack....A friend of mine in Warren Oh had his Kitten (like a 2/3 cub)
delivered from Monroeville near Pittsburgh yesterday thursday, and I
understand he was followed by a Mooney. They both landed, in the rain, at
Warren Airport off of Rt 5 late in the evening. I think they made the trip
(even into a headwind) late in the evening. I was teaching and couldn't go
get the complete scoop, but you would think that they would have been
challenged. I'll find out really what happened Saturday at a flyin at Flacks
on Rt 193. The guy taking delivery or the kitten is a GA pilot new to
ultralighting and is about 1/2 inch off the ground all the time now.
GeoR38
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, ,
,
| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Printing Labels on Wire... |
Listers:
An inexpensive method is illustrated in our "How to" pages:
http://www.terminaltown.com/Pages/Page94.html. If you don't have a high
temp heat gun an open flame works well too. I like to set a candle on the
bench so I can use both hands to maneuver the wire. You might want to
practice on some scrap first, especially if you are using wire insulated
with material other than Tefzel.
Regards,
Gaylen Lerohl
www.terminaltown.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
; ;
; ;
; ;
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 19:06
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Printing Labels on Wire...
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt
Dralle)
>
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> I've been pondering the impending electrical wiring of the 'ol RV-4 and
> it occurred to me that at some point in my 10-year building process
someone
> showed me a nifty wire labeler that would allow you to put most any
> gauge of wire in one side and pull it completely through. The labeler
> would repeatedly print a string of text along the wire from one end to the
> other. I have no idea now where I saw this labeler or what it was
> called. Does anyone have any insight on this device?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-4 / #1763 / N442RV
>
>
> --
>
>
> Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> Great minds discuss ideas,
> Average minds discuss events,
> Small minds discuss people...
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "twistedclicks" <todd(at)twistedclicks.com> |
HI Mark: Right now there are 5 people interested in buying hte whole lot
form me so it looks like I will not be parting out. If these guys fall by
the wayside then I'll e-mail back to you. Respective to the Dual Controls.
I was figuring on 45% of list and I's pay the shipping. TO be honest, thes
controls have 270 hours on them, a little slop but not unlike a used Cub.
The cross link controls are tight. It's the actual control stick where the
connector bolts ride through where the slop is. The sticks could be
replaced and they are cheap from Kolb. I don't believe there is enough slop
to warrant replacement at this time. Hense I didn't do it and wasn't
planning on doing it. Remeber that you cannot have the control panel
between you legs- off the front of the seat - if you use the dual
controls..
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Possum(at)matronics.com |
Does any know if we're still grounded/ Sunday??
http://www.faa.gov/index.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
I have a 172 reserved for tomorrow morning; they called a while ago, and
said that it's still IFR only...........no VFR flights, so TT, BigLar.
Maybe in the morning, but "Don't hold yer Breath."
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: grnded
>
>
> Does any know if we're still grounded/ Sunday??
>
> http://www.faa.gov/index.htm
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I work as an electrician for GM and we have tried several wire labelers
that print directly on the wire insulation..... with very poor luck at
best......The best we have found is the sticky tape kind...as the
numbers showing fade or become damaged over time you can always peel
some tape back to expose fresh numbers or letters underneath....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vic Worthington" <vicw(at)vcn.com> |
Tool Tip: The exhaust manifold on the 503 is attached with 6 mm hex head
screws that need to be torqued. I could only find short 6mm 3/8 drive
wrenches to fit my torque wrench but the joint protrusion on the manifold
interfered with the socket and I was unable to find longer wrenches.
Solurion: Purchase a 3/8 drive 6mm standard 12 point socket from sears (part
#44294) and then purchase a 6 mm Allen wrench. Cut off the curved part of
the Allen wrench with your Dremel tool so that you have a straight 6 mm
wrench. JB weld the Allen wrench into the 6mm socket and now you have an
easier way to torque the manifold bolts. Cost - $5.00
Vic
Sundance
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
>
> Well the unspeakable happened. I lost a blade on take-off.
Todd and Gang:
Sorry for your misfortune.
What make, model, diameter prop were you using?
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FAA says VFR still grounded |
Log onto: www.faa.gov
Message as of Sunday Sep 16, 2001 5:00 pm. FAA says only IFR flights
permitted. No VFR. No word on when the restriction might be lifted.
Bill Varnes
Original FireStar-Rotax 377
Audubon, NJ USA
380 hours and itching to fly
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: UL: Flight Restrictions |
>What bothers me is that I don't see any mention of ultralight operations
>anywhere in the NOTAMs as I read them.
>
>Such terms as aircraft and VFR might apply.
>
>It just seems they have not given any thought to the people involved,
>just the commercial operations.
>
>Oh, hey, that's me !!!
>--
>
>
>Mark Smith
>Tri-State Kite
>Sales <http://www.trikite.com>http://www.trikite.com
>1121 N Locust St
>Mt Vernon, IN 47620 mailto:mark(at)trikite.com
>1-812-838-6351
Commercial - always have always will. How much money does your UL
operation ad to the economy. Might not like but that's the way it is.
UL's operate under Part 103 however this question was raised with the FAA
once before if Part 91 applies to them. (Part 91 is titled General
Operating & Flight Rules) See the URL below regarding the FAA's response
to the person's questions. Note that the date is 1999 and may not be
interpreted the same way today in view of the recent events.
Mark, your a brave soul, I suggest you test it and argue your point while
the F16 or Apache helicopter are in the process of flaming your
butt. While your on your way down you can debate it out. Perhaps you can
convince them at which point they may say their sorry.
http://www.qnet.com/~robertc/faarules.html
jerryb
>ADVERTISEMENT
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FAA says VFR still grounded |
My big bafflement is just what threat they think we VFR pilots present ??
Last Tuesday was a nightmare, beyond any question, but this seems like a
lopsided lash-out at an inoffensive group. ( Us ! ! ! ) Or, is some loco
bureaucrat using this as a way to squish us under his thumb ??
Baffled Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <WVarnes(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 9:01 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: FAA says VFR still grounded
>
> Log onto: www.faa.gov
>
> Message as of Sunday Sep 16, 2001 5:00 pm. FAA says only IFR flights
> permitted. No VFR. No word on when the restriction might be lifted.
>
>
> Bill Varnes
> Original FireStar-Rotax 377
> Audubon, NJ USA
> 380 hours and itching to fly
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | charles webster <caw(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA says VFR still grounded |
well don't you think our goverment should be cautious it would take very
little for one of these rag heads to load up any small plane with explosives
and kill maybe not thousands but hundreds which one more is too many so don't
get your panties in a wad and when the goverement thinks it is safe for us to
fly they will let you know first
"Larry Bourne"@matronics.com wrote:
>
> My big bafflement is just what threat they think we VFR pilots present ??
> Last Tuesday was a nightmare, beyond any question, but this seems like a
> lopsided lash-out at an inoffensive group. ( Us ! ! ! ) Or, is some loco
> bureaucrat using this as a way to squish us under his thumb ??
> Baffled Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, Ca.
> Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
> http://www.gogittum.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <WVarnes(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 9:01 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: FAA says VFR still grounded
>
> >
> > Log onto: www.faa.gov
> >
> > Message as of Sunday Sep 16, 2001 5:00 pm. FAA says only IFR flights
> > permitted. No VFR. No word on when the restriction might be lifted.
> >
> >
> > Bill Varnes
> > Original FireStar-Rotax 377
> > Audubon, NJ USA
> > 380 hours and itching to fly
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Edward Steuber" <esteuber(at)rochester.rr.com> |
The VFR exemption for AG pilots( part 137) was revoked Sunday at 3 PM. I
got a call from the local GADO with a bunch of questions about where my
aircraft was secured and if I had trained anybody in the last three
years...Gang...This is either an over reaction(I can't see how under the
circumstances) or DOD thinks there is a threat of chemical or biological
attack.You don't need a dedicated spray plane to deliver a biological
agent......an ultralight will do just fine. I have parked and DISABLED
my aircraft and am keeping in touch with ATC for any changes.I suggest
you all stay on the ground or face SERIOUS penalties...The AWACS can see
ultralights at almost any altitude.....local radars are not usually
capable below 400 AGL at 20 miles or more. ....So much for sneaking a
quicky.....Ed in Western NY
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TCowan1917(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/16/01 |
after much debat amoung my friends in the aviation field, we have come to the
conclusion that the FAA has no money
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TCowan1917(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/16/01 |
try this again, it seems to be a concensus that the FAA might be doing a
power thing here. It is under the thumbs of the DOT and has no direct
budget. This heavy handed stuff with the GA traffic under the guise of
security may be a way to get Uncle Sam to unlock its wallet. You see, they
are saying all the money is going to comercial traffic and we are really
watching the IFR folks. If we had more money and were our own "Governing
Force" we could take care of all of this. Another idea was that they expect
the rest of the terrorists to excape via VFR flights and by grounding us
unnecessarily long, it will piss us off so bad that any brown face arab
looking person that gets near a plane will either be beaten or turned in or
both. It kinda puts on the 'look for-em' team. I opt for the FAA looking to
be an independent power soon. My money is on higher terrifs, yearly licenses
and lots of red tape and inspections. Will see. Ted Cowan, Alabama.
(remember, this is America where the bottom line is ALWAYS money)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Cavuontop(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Throttle/Choke Cable |
Gentlemen:
I had an interesting maintenance event the other day which I thought
the group should know about.I was working on the carbs on the 582 on my
Mark 3 and had occasion to pull on the choke.When I did the handle just
kept coming beyond its usual position.When I finally sorted out what
happened it appears that the little soldered ferrule on the end of the cable
that goes into the slider in the splitter had let go.The cable came free
from the splitter tube and I found the ferule still stuck in the brass
slider.This is the second time this has happened to me in approximately=2075
hours of flying.The first time my choke cable let go was 3/11/99 at 25.5
hours in service.
The kind of flying we do does not have the benefit of a service
bulletin/airworthnyness directive system they way general aviation does. In
that system when there are repetitive problems with a particular part that
information is accumulated and when there are enough reports of a problem to
suggest a pattern everyone concerned gets a notice. I think that as a
general proposition this is a good thing.
So because I had had two identical cable failures within 50 hours of
service I thought I should let Kolb know about it, especially in view of the
fact that the throttle cable uses the exact same soldered on ferrule.
I'm pleased to report a number of things:
1) Linda at Kolb clearly understood the seriousness of the problem I
was reporting and promptly put me in touch with their supplier for the
splitters and cables. She also mentioned she did not recall any reports of
failed throttle or choke cables.
2) The supplier for the splitters and cables is R&L Specialty in
Colorado. I spoke with Rick Smith the owner of the company. He reported
that he has made in the area of 7000 cables over the last 10 years with no
previous reports of this failure mode. He said that he has had reports of
cables breaking because of wear and abrasion, but never of the soldered
ferrule coming off.
3) Rick further reported that he did have a problem with the supplier
of the flux that he uses to solder the ferrule on a few years back, which may
explain the 1999 failure of my choke cable.
4) Rick put a replacement cable in the mail to me free of charge in
exchange for my promise to send him the failed cable.
5) It has been my practice to use the choke to stop my 582. I pull
the lever forward until the engine quits. Then I leave it there. This
leaves the cable tensioned and all that stress lands on the soldered ferrule.
I will change my procedure and from here on once the engine is stopped I
will take the choke off and release the tension on the cable.
Summary: I was very pleased with the safety mined concern shown by
both Kolb and their supplier. It is my impression that the two failures I
had were anomalies and my own procedures may have contributed to them.
However, if other Kolbers have had similar problems you should let me or Kolb
know. If there is a pattern out there we need to know about it.
Mark R. Sellers
Kolb Twinstar Mark III
N496BM
________________________________________________________________________________
I have been calling Princeton Flight Service Station here in the Mpls metro
area on a regular basis. The recorded message tells the story - all VFR
flights continue to be grounded. If you press "0" anytime during the message
you will be transferred to one of the real people who work there and they
have all been more than willing to talk and share what they know which is
not much. IFR flights were allowed beginning this weekend and that is the
first step toward resuming normal GA activity.
-----Original Message-----
From: Possum(at)matronics.com [mailto:Possum(at)matronics.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: grnded
Does any know if we're still grounded/ Sunday??
http://www.faa.gov/index.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FAA says VFR still grounded |
I don't think it is bureaucrats trying to squish us, I think it is
bureaucrats struggling to understand how this could happen on American soil,
and how they can be sure it won't happen again - even on a small scale.
(Kind like we all are). It is a question of reminding ourselves what our
values are. We cannot give up our freedom and liberty, if we do then the
terrorists have won.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Larry Bourne"@matronics.com [mailto:"Larry Bourne"@matronics.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FAA says VFR still grounded
My big bafflement is just what threat they think we VFR pilots present ??
Last Tuesday was a nightmare, beyond any question, but this seems like a
lopsided lash-out at an inoffensive group. ( Us ! ! ! ) Or, is some loco
bureaucrat using this as a way to squish us under his thumb ??
Baffled Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <WVarnes(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 9:01 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: FAA says VFR still grounded
>
> Log onto: www.faa.gov
>
> Message as of Sunday Sep 16, 2001 5:00 pm. FAA says only IFR flights
> permitted. No VFR. No word on when the restriction might be lifted.
>
>
> Bill Varnes
> Original FireStar-Rotax 377
> Audubon, NJ USA
> 380 hours and itching to fly
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FAA says VFR still grounded |
Kiss This ! ! ! Seems to me they've proven that they can accomplish a lot
more with a pocket knife. Why bother with the explosives. Look to your own
panties.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "charles webster" <caw(at)nctc.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FAA says VFR still grounded
>
> well don't you think our goverment should be cautious it would take very
> little for one of these rag heads to load up any small plane with
explosives
> and kill maybe not thousands but hundreds which one more is too many so
don't
> get your panties in a wad and when the goverement thinks it is safe for us
to
> fly they will let you know first
>
> "Larry Bourne"@matronics.com wrote:
>
> >
> > My big bafflement is just what threat they think we VFR pilots present
??
> > Last Tuesday was a nightmare, beyond any question, but this seems like a
> > lopsided lash-out at an inoffensive group. ( Us ! ! ! ) Or, is some
loco
> > bureaucrat using this as a way to squish us under his thumb ??
> > Baffled Lar.
> >
> > Larry Bourne
> > Palm Springs, Ca.
> > Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
> > http://www.gogittum.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <WVarnes(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 9:01 PM
> > Subject: Kolb-List: FAA says VFR still grounded
> >
> > >
> > > Log onto: www.faa.gov
> > >
> > > Message as of Sunday Sep 16, 2001 5:00 pm. FAA says only IFR flights
> > > permitted. No VFR. No word on when the restriction might be lifted.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill Varnes
> > > Original FireStar-Rotax 377
> > > Audubon, NJ USA
> > > 380 hours and itching to fly
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ClearProp1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | God Bless America Apparel |
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, kolb-list(at)matronics.com,
zenith-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com, ez-list(at)matronics.com,
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avionics-list(at)matronics.com, aerobatic-list(at)matronics.com,
pitts-list(at)matronics.com, homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com
As many of you know, the American Flags have sold out very quickly in most
stores across America. For those of you that want to wear the American Flag
proudly on your shirt or hat, we have them in stock and ready to send out.
The design is a waving flag with God Bless America proudly stated across the
flag.
A portion of every sale will go towards helping the families of this
disastrous crime. Show support for your country.
Scott Brown
Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
phone: 561-748-2420 Fax: 561-748-6980
Visit us at www.six-shooters.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Possum(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: God Bless America Apparel |
>
>As many of you know, the American Flags have sold out very quickly in most
>stores across America. For those of you that want to wear the American Flag
>proudly on your shirt or hat, we have them in stock and ready to send out.
>The design is a waving flag with God Bless America proudly stated across the
>flag.
>
>A portion of every sale will go towards helping the families of this
>disastrous crime. Show support for your country.
>
>
>Scott Brown
>Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/saturday/business_3.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA says VFR still grounded |
> My big bafflement is just what threat they think we VFR pilots present ??
> Last Tuesday was a nightmare, beyond any question, but this seems like a
> lopsided lash-out at an inoffensive group. ( Us ! ! ! ) Or, is some loco
> bureaucrat using this as a way to squish us under his thumb ??
> Baffled Lar.
consider that the bad guys are pilots and may use light planes to flee the
law... I would rather them on the ground and maybe caught and in jail then
flying to cuba.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ClearProp1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: God Bless America Apparel |
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, kolb-list(at)matronics.com,
zenith-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com, ez-list(at)matronics.com,
lancair-list(at)matronics.com, cessna-list(at)matronics.com,
beech-list(at)matronics.com, cadet-list(at)matronics.com,
avionics-list(at)matronics.com, pitts-list(at)matronics.com,
homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com
Sure, I am planning on sending a dollar from every shirts sold to both the
Fire Fighters Foundation and the Red Cross.
A few responses have indicated that I did not give a way to purchase these
items. Items can be purchased either over the phone, fax, or email by
forwarding your name, address, phone number and credit card for purchases. Or
you can send a check to:
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2731 SE Taiwinds Rd.
Jupiter, FL 33478
Items being sold are:
White T-shirts
Denim Blue hats
White Polo Shirts
Ash polo shirts
All are beautifully embroidered with the American Flag and "God Bless
America".
Thank you for all your responses!!
Scott Brown
Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
phone: 561-748-2420 Fax: 561-748-6980
Visit us at www.six-shooters.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | charles webster <caw(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA says VFR still grounded |
you can allways tell when someone is in the wrong they get real offensive
"Larry Bourne"@matronics.com wrote:
>
> Kiss This ! ! ! Seems to me they've proven that they can accomplish a lot
> more with a pocket knife. Why bother with the explosives. Look to your own
> panties.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, Ca.
> Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
> http://www.gogittum.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "charles webster" <caw(at)nctc.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FAA says VFR still grounded
>
> >
> > well don't you think our goverment should be cautious it would take very
> > little for one of these rag heads to load up any small plane with
> explosives
> > and kill maybe not thousands but hundreds which one more is too many so
> don't
> > get your panties in a wad and when the goverement thinks it is safe for us
> to
> > fly they will let you know first
> >
> > "Larry Bourne"@matronics.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > My big bafflement is just what threat they think we VFR pilots present
> ??
> > > Last Tuesday was a nightmare, beyond any question, but this seems like a
> > > lopsided lash-out at an inoffensive group. ( Us ! ! ! ) Or, is some
> loco
> > > bureaucrat using this as a way to squish us under his thumb ??
> > > Baffled Lar.
> > >
> > > Larry Bourne
> > > Palm Springs, Ca.
> > > Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
> > > http://www.gogittum.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <WVarnes(at)aol.com>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 9:01 PM
> > > Subject: Kolb-List: FAA says VFR still grounded
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Log onto: www.faa.gov
> > > >
> > > > Message as of Sunday Sep 16, 2001 5:00 pm. FAA says only IFR flights
> > > > permitted. No VFR. No word on when the restriction might be lifted.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bill Varnes
> > > > Original FireStar-Rotax 377
> > > > Audubon, NJ USA
> > > > 380 hours and itching to fly
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | List SOP (Etiquette) |
Howdy Gang:
Flying has been slow lately, primarily because our country
has suffered the gravest/greatest loss in its history. That
loss caused by international terrorists. Terrorism is the
most difficult of all forms of warfare to defeat. I spent a
large part of my military career as an SF enlisted man and
officer. I understand and still remember a lot of what I
was taught in the employment of terrorism and
counter-terrorism. It is not an easy problem to solve and
not a fun way to fight a war.
A lot of us on this List have sacrificed a large portion of
our lives to help pay the price of freedom. I did because
it was my job. I was a professional soldier. Freedom is
not free. We have paid a tremendous for it in the past and
will in the future. To be temporarily grounded, to give our
country time to get our ass out of a crack, is a very small
price to pay to help combat a grave problem that will not
simply go away by itself.
I haven't said anything about the attacks, except on me and
Bob Noyer, in quite some time. I don't plan on saying
anything else about this subject on the Kolb Aircraft
Builder's List. I hope no one else does either. We are not
gaining anything from it, but hard feelings amongst
ourselves.
I firmly believe the place for this subject and petty
bickering amongst our members should be done bc.
Thanks for listening Gang,
john h
PS: Our EAA Chap 822, Wetumpka, Alabama, is having its
annual flyin next Saturday, 22 Sep 01. Hope everyone will
be able to fly by then. And of course our Kolb Flyin at
London, KY, weekend after next.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | List SOP (Etiquette) |
Thanks for the reminder John. I have been flying for less than a year and
my most common thoughts in the air turn to what a beautiful country we have
and how lucky I am to be able to live here and do all the things I do. As a
woman I am especially grateful because there are so many places in the world
where women cannot do what I do (for work and for fun). My "luck" was paid
for by a lot of people I never met and a few people that I dearly love and
in my heart I thank them all every day of my life.
I was delighted to learn that a fly-in that was scheduled for
Saturday will be held at a later date so that we will hopefully be able to
get together. The re-schedule also means two fly-ins (one Saturday and one
Sunday) for one weekend! Almost more fun than one person is entitled to. I
wish I could fly to Alabama! I love those flying adventures!
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck [mailto:hawk36(at)mindspring.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:50 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: List SOP (Etiquette)
Howdy Gang:
Flying has been slow lately, primarily because our country
has suffered the gravest/greatest loss in its history. That
loss caused by international terrorists. Terrorism is the
most difficult of all forms of warfare to defeat. I spent a
large part of my military career as an SF enlisted man and
officer. I understand and still remember a lot of what I
was taught in the employment of terrorism and
counter-terrorism. It is not an easy problem to solve and
not a fun way to fight a war.
A lot of us on this List have sacrificed a large portion of
our lives to help pay the price of freedom. I did because
it was my job. I was a professional soldier. Freedom is
not free. We have paid a tremendous for it in the past and
will in the future. To be temporarily grounded, to give our
country time to get our ass out of a crack, is a very small
price to pay to help combat a grave problem that will not
simply go away by itself.
I haven't said anything about the attacks, except on me and
Bob Noyer, in quite some time. I don't plan on saying
anything else about this subject on the Kolb Aircraft
Builder's List. I hope no one else does either. We are not
gaining anything from it, but hard feelings amongst
ourselves.
I firmly believe the place for this subject and petty
bickering amongst our members should be done bc.
Thanks for listening Gang,
john h
PS: Our EAA Chap 822, Wetumpka, Alabama, is having its
annual flyin next Saturday, 22 Sep 01. Hope everyone will
be able to fly by then. And of course our Kolb Flyin at
London, KY, weekend after next.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA says VFR still grounded |
Oh, I don't know. You seem pretty offensive, right or wrong.
Could we keep to Kolb-related topics? None of us are happy about the recent
grounding, but it was something the higher-ups saw fit to do.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "charles webster" <caw(at)nctc.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FAA says VFR still grounded
>
> you can allways tell when someone is in the wrong they get real offensive
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve dinieri" <capsteve(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | FAA says VFR still grounded |
So why didn't they stop all motor vehicle traffic after Oklahoma city
?????
consider that the bad guys are pilots and may use light planes to flee
the
law... I would rather them on the ground and maybe caught and in jail
then
flying to cuba.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: God Bless America Apparel |
Info about displaying our flag.
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
Note Sec. 4 item D regarding wearing the flag..
Some thing I do want is the thingy you clamp in your vehicle window with a
USA in stead of a sport team.
God Bless America
jerryb
>
>As many of you know, the American Flags have sold out very quickly in most
>stores across America. For those of you that want to wear the American Flag
>proudly on your shirt or hat, we have them in stock and ready to send out.
>The design is a waving flag with God Bless America proudly stated across the
>flag.
>
>A portion of every sale will go towards helping the families of this
>disastrous crime. Show support for your country.
>
>
>Scott Brown
>Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
>
>phone: 561-748-2420 Fax: 561-748-6980
>
>Visit us at www.six-shooters.com
>
>
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kolb-list(at)matronics.com, zenith-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com,
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: God Bless America Apparel |
Can any of well known list posters vouch for this guy and I don't mean one
of his friends. Unless someone we know on the list can vouch for him I
wouldn't provide my CC# to anyone coming a knocking without knowing
without knowing who your doing business and that it a
legitimate business. Anyone can put up a web page and look real.
jerryb
>
>
>
>
>Sure, I am planning on sending a dollar from every shirts sold to both the
>Fire Fighters Foundation and the Red Cross.
>
>A few responses have indicated that I did not give a way to purchase these
>items. Items can be purchased either over the phone, fax, or email by
>forwarding your name, address, phone number and credit card for purchases. Or
>you can send a check to:
>
>Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
>2731 SE Taiwinds Rd.
>Jupiter, FL 33478
>
>Items being sold are:
>
>White T-shirts
>Denim Blue hats
>White Polo Shirts
>Ash polo shirts
>
>All are beautifully embroidered with the American Flag and "God Bless
>America".
>
>Thank you for all your responses!!
>
>
>Scott Brown
>Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
>
>phone: 561-748-2420 Fax: 561-748-6980
>
>Visit us at www.six-shooters.com
>
>
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| From: | owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ignitor" <ignitor(at)uswest.net> |
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, kolb-list(at)matronics.com,
zenith-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com, ez-list(at)matronics.com,
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: RV-List: God Bless America Apparel |
OK, I take back the fact they don't have prices...I did find some prices on
the site for some school jerseys. My mistake. Still don't think this is the
forum to promote your business for profit, though.
Chris
Still cynical
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave Rains" <rr(at)htg.net> |
Been reading the posts and wanted to add my thoughts. Yes, I think this
will have a profound effect on Sport Pilot. I know the government, and most
agencies will take advantage of any situation to increase their power. I
would not be surprised if a phased in requirement for all aircraft to squawk
mode C is implemented. Instructors and students may face background checks.
I received permission to fly VFR on Sunday for a Law Enforcement Mission.
But the FAA nearly had a heart attack when they learned I had no X-ponder.
Things are going to change. I am joining AOPA in an effort to support those
who support us. One way or another, I will continue to fly my Kolb and
enjoy flight as others never will.
Dave Rains
El Paso
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Edward Steuber" <esteuber(at)rochester.rr.com> |
As of this AM (18th) the cropdusters are allowed back to work. I think
the powers that be are beginning to calm down. I think Bob Bean (old
geezer) had a good point about WW11. The confusion of the situation can
probably be compared to the movie " 1941". I just hope there are no John
Belushi types in those F16's because I will be trying to catch up on
lost work in the next few days.So far I have tried to keep on topic
(flying status is) but after the last posts I need to vent. Whenever
there is a crisis the politicians that are responsible whip up the
public to action against the "enemy". They are allowed to go unpunished
for their oversights or crimes in the ensuing confusion.I want some
heads to roll ! ! ! LEAVE MY FREEDOM ALONE.... And let the trained SP
Forces take care of this...Alpha Mike Foxtrot , USMC Viet Vet , Ed in
Western NY
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| From: | Doc Mosher <docshop(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | God Bless America Apparel |
Scott Brown dba Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc - Jupiter, Florida
Your recent scattershot spamming of the entire Matronics airplane type
listing is not a nice thing to do. The Pietenpol list, for example, is for
messages among Pietenpol people. Matt's rules of protocol for list use
specifically state that the list is not for commercial sales use.
If you want to capitalize on the sudden surge of "show the flag" sentiment
by selling dry goods, that is your decision. But please do not clutter up
all of the Matronics airplane lists with your spam of advertising. That
was not a nice thing to do.
Doc Mosher
Oshkosh USA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)" <Bettie.Seitzer(at)AndersenCorp.com> |
| Subject: | MarkIII controls |
Dale and I are considering buying a Mark III to use for instruction. I am
concerned about the configuration of one stick between the two seats. Two
things - if you have used that configuration for instruction, how has it
worked. Also, I would like to hear from anyone who has converted to dual
controls. - How hard was it to do, what was the cost, how did it work.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter Volum" <PVolum(at)etsmiami.com> |
| Subject: | MarkIII controls |
When I bought mine it already had dual controls installed. It is an ideal
set-up for instruction. A friend of mine had a Mk III with a single stick
that he used for instruction and he said it was very awkward.
PV
Kolb-List message posted by: "Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)"
Dale and I are considering buying a Mark III to use for instruction. I am
concerned about the configuration of one stick between the two seats.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Interesting Mark III |
I am as sad, scared and enraged as anyone but my mind needs a rest.
There is a Mark III Extra being built by a friend in Crawfordville FL (40 Miles
S of Tallahassee).
The builder has covered the pod with sheet aluminum. He feels that the extra weight
is worth the crash protection he will gain. I saw the work and was impressed
by the clever way he minimized the number of holes in the
airframe. He has had to apply the sheet metal in several pieces to cover
the areas of compound curves but generally it came out looking very well. I have
not seen it for a couple of weeks now but plan to go down there next weekend.
The builder is planning to use a VW engine. The battery will be in a special box
in the nosecone to counter the extra weight of the engine. The weight and balance
results will be interesting. He will have it painted by
a professional and I suspect the final result will be very nice.
Duane the plane in Tallahassee, FL, FireFly SN 007, 447, Ivo, big wheels.
----- Original Message -----
From: Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:00 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: MarkIII controls
Seitzer(at)AndersenCorp.com>
Dale and I are considering buying a Mark III to use for instruction. I am
concerned about the configuration of one stick between the two seats. Two
things - if you have used that configuration for instruction, how has it
worked. Also, I would like to hear from anyone who has converted to dual
controls. - How hard was it to do, what was the cost, how did it work.
=
=
=
=
=
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MarkIII controls |
Also, I would like to hear from anyone who has converted
to dual
> controls.
"Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)"
Bettie and Gang:
I have dual controls in my MK III, SN: M3-011. I did not
convert to them. I have the original dual controls,
designed and built by my Brother, Jim, and our friend Seth
Mathews, in 1991, the year Miss P'fer's fuselage was welded
up. These are the same controls that new Kolb Aircraft is
presently marketing, not the controls developed by old Kolb
Aircraft. After 1,600+ hours my dual controls are still
working great. Never had any problems with them once we got
past the experimental stage and fabricated the final set I
am flying with. I haven't used them for instruction, but
see no problem for them in that role. I usually fly with
only one stick installed. Simplifies loading and unloading
passengers.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Cavuontop(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Interesting Mark III |
In a message dated 9/18/01 10:42:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mitchmnd(at)msn.com writes:
> The builder has covered the pod with sheet aluminum. He feels that the extra
>
Boy, I wonder what is on his mind? Sheet metal on the cabin isn't
going to do diddly for him in an impact. Crash worthiness is generally about
absorbing energy. Flat expanses of sheet metal don't have much strength at
all. Maybe if you were going to land in a tree it might stop an impingement
like a small branch from coming through the cabin. The extra weight will
penalize his glide too. I'll keep my Dacron and make it to the farmer's
field when the engine quits.
Mark R. Sellers
Kolb Twinstar Mark III
N496BM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MarkIII controls |
> Also, I would like to hear from anyone who has converted
> to dual
> > controls.
>
> "Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)"
Bettie and Gang:
Forgot to add: The dual controls are a bolt in option.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Hans van Alphen" <HVA(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | ELT Antenna location |
Hey Listers,
Looking for advice and input on my ELT antenna location. I have it
installed inside the rear of the cage behind the seats and gas tank.
when I hook up my icom radio to it I get good reception. Someone told me
that I am severely limiting the distance of the ELT signal in that
location. Appreciate your thoughts ! Thanks.
Hans van Alphen.
Building Mark III Extra.
BMW powered.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cjcullen" <cjcullen(at)mediaone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MarkIII controls |
>
> Dale and I are considering buying a Mark III to use for instruction. I am
> concerned about the configuration of one stick between the two seats. Two
> things - if you have used that configuration for instruction, how has it
> worked. Also, I would like to hear from anyone who has converted to dual
> controls. - How hard was it to do, what was the cost, how did it work.
Our club converted our Mk III to dual sticks and I think it is much better
than the center stick.
To fly straight and level with the center stick, I had to hold my arm was
straight out; awkward.
A student is not going to get the feel of a single seat UL if they fly a Mk
III with
the stick between the student and instructor.
After a few hrs on the new Mk III, our club was unanimous; get dual sticks.
The following is not from personal experience, but, I do know some
GA flight instructors (C150 etc.) who have used these tricks and I think
they are perfectly applicable to instructing in a dual control Mk III:
When on short final, an instructor does not want there to be any possibility
that the student will pull back too hard and stall.
If you have a stick in front of you, you can easily arrange your knees or
hands to block the travel of the stick so that the student cannot suddenly
pull the stick all the way back. I think preventing a student from doing
this
with a center stick would be more difficult
You can also grab a center stick faster, since it's right in front of you,
while
you put your free hand over the students eyes, when they continue to
pull back hard and not let go as you scream, "I got it".
After you put your hand over the students eyes they quickly let go of
the stick to pull your hand away ( which is OK ) BUT,
you have control of the plane.
I think this trick would be more difficult with a center stick.
The dual controls we received from TNK were good quality.
They did not come with installation instructions but they did include
some fuzzy photos printed out by a low quality computer printer.
Took us a little extra time to install them and feel like we did it
correctly.
I forget what the cost was. Not a big factor.
I could put photos of our Mk III on our web site if anyone is interested.
We just put up a web site this week (needs a lot more work)
www.eaa279.org
chuck
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Kolbers,
Anyone on the List use a tiny tach & have the cable too short? I
have one & I need to make it longer. Will it still function properly if i
just lengthen the two wires that are soldered to the tiny coaxial cable or
can I splice the coaxial cable? Any one encounter this problem? Help!
Ed Diebel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net> |
I found some small coaxial cable at Radio Shack. I believe it was a
microphone cord, and spliced mine and it works very well.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
>
> Kolbers,
>
> Anyone on the List use a tiny tach & have the cable too short? I
>have one & I need to make it longer. Will it still function properly if i
>just lengthen the two wires that are soldered to the tiny coaxial cable or
>can I splice the coaxial cable? Any one encounter this problem? Help!
>
> Ed Diebel
>
>
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | EAA Newsletter Info |
Morning Gang:
Here is some info you can use, although it does not sound
good.
http://www.eaa.org/news/notam.html
Once you get to the first page, use the menu on the left and
you can get the rest of the info I got in the EAA
Newsletter.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net> |
This is a question regarding Mark3's with the dual stick setup. How did you
fellas deal with the floor pans? I was sent the floor pans that are bent to
come up to the tube under the thighs. This setup is great but obviously
won't work with the dual sticks. Any ideas? Pictures would be great...
Jeremy Casey
jrcasey(at)ldl.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter Volum" <PVolum(at)etsmiami.com> |
| Subject: | Color GPS Moving Map |
Im looking for a color moving map GPS suitable for Aviation (primarily),
roads (secondarily), and marine use (least important). I want it all, but I
dont like the high price of the Garmin GPSMAP 295 which only meets my first
wish-list item.
One possibility Im looking into is the Anywhere Map software/pocket PC/GPS
combo package from controlvision ( www.controlvision.com
<http://www.controlvision.com/> ). Another one is to forget my desire for
color and go with the Lowrance Airmap 300 which I understand can also be
used with a road map database.
If anybody owns either of the above units, I would welcome your comments on
them.
Thanks,
Peter Volum
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
Prob'ly stir up another fire storm here again, but...............that's OK.
When I visited a friend in L.A. several years ago, I climbed into his Mk III
1/2, to make vroom vroom noises. ( I had only just started Vamoose ) He
had the dual sticks, and I can remember an awkwardness in getting that stiff
ol' right leg over and around that stick. I know, I know, everyone does it
and loves it, but I did find it awkward. For a little food for thought, the
Merlin I flew in back in '95 (see "Learning to Fly" in my website) had a "Y"
on top of the (center) stick. Student had his (her) right hand on one side,
instructor had his left on the other. Worked very well, was very
comfortable, and natural feeling. No problem with thighs, etc. It would be
an easy modification...............cut a few inches off the top of the
stick, weld on the "Y", and paint it. When we flew the MX II, the same
instructor had me hold the stick a little low, and put his hand above mine.
A little awkward, but it did work. Big Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:02 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Floor pans?
>
> This is a question regarding Mark3's with the dual stick setup. How did
you
> fellas deal with the floor pans? I was sent the floor pans that are bent
to
> come up to the tube under the thighs. This setup is great but obviously
> won't work with the dual sticks. Any ideas? Pictures would be great...
> Jeremy Casey
> jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
He
> had the dual sticks, and I can remember an awkwardness in getting that stiff
> ol' right leg over and around that stick.
Lar and Gang:
Perhaps with some more practice/experience getting in and
out the MK III with dual controls it would not be so awkward
for you.
I do it everytime I get in my MK III. I will admit, it may
be a "little" inconvenient entering and exiting the
aircraft, but for me it is the normal way to get in and
out. I really do not have a problem with it. Sometimes, if
I am all bundled up and wearing large hiking boots I must be
careful not to kick the windshield, but other than that, no
sweat.
First time I saw one of those "Y" things on a stick was the
Robinson helicopter, some years ago at Sun and Fun. I am
very particular about my comfort/feel of the seating
arrangement/controls, and I did not like that set up.
However, I only tried it once. The new MK III Extra Light
uses the "Y" set up for stick.
In my case I prefer to fly right seat. Would I end up
having to fly with my left hand on the "Y" stick, right hand
and arm across the chest to operate the center throttle,
like the old MK III set up with single stick flying the left
seat?
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BJ Moore" <BJMoore(at)c4farms.com> |
I needed 12 feet of cable to route the cable from the pickup on the engine, to
the readout on the tiny tach on my drifter. It cost me $12 to send it back to
Design Technology to have them lengthen it, and send it back to me. They will
not warranty it if you cut the cable and do the modification yourself.
Design Technology, 630.920.1300 My Tiny Tach works great!
B.J. Moore, P.E.
Circle Four Farms Development Engineer
ASC Basic Flight Instructor - "The Flyin Moose".
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Neilsen" <neilsenr(at)state.mi.us> |
I called flight service last night and was told that only IFR flight was approved
for now. There is the expectation that VFR will be allowed by Friday or this
weekend.
Rick Neilsen
VW Powered MKIII
I have my new VW reduction drive engine and I'm getting it ready to install. I
want to fly a few more times before I start the conversion.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)" <Bettie.Seitzer(at)AndersenCorp.com> |
| Subject: | MarkIII controls |
Thanks for the comments - very useful. When I was learning to fly someone
asked me if the landings scared me and I joked "no, I just close my eyes and
wait for it to hit ground" (Thought it was pretty funny at the time) But
someone told me that they knew of a student who actually did that, another
form of the "lock-up". It is part of the reason that I am leaning toward
dual control and side by side seating. I want to be able to see whether the
student is having trouble with a situation and be able to take over control
quickly if needed. I do like the tip about covering their eyes. I also
would recommend that during an introductory flight an instructor be aware
that some students will discover that they cannot handle the motion of a
small plane on a bumpy day. Telling them to close their eyes might help to
relieve some of their discomfort until you have them safely back on the
sweet bosom of mother earth.
-----Original Message-----
From: cjcullen [mailto:cjcullen(at)mediaone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MarkIII controls
>
> Dale and I are considering buying a Mark III to use for instruction. I am
> concerned about the configuration of one stick between the two seats. Two
> things - if you have used that configuration for instruction, how has it
> worked. Also, I would like to hear from anyone who has converted to dual
> controls. - How hard was it to do, what was the cost, how did it work.
Our club converted our Mk III to dual sticks and I think it is much better
than the center stick.
To fly straight and level with the center stick, I had to hold my arm was
straight out; awkward.
A student is not going to get the feel of a single seat UL if they fly a Mk
III with
the stick between the student and instructor.
After a few hrs on the new Mk III, our club was unanimous; get dual sticks.
The following is not from personal experience, but, I do know some
GA flight instructors (C150 etc.) who have used these tricks and I think
they are perfectly applicable to instructing in a dual control Mk III:
When on short final, an instructor does not want there to be any possibility
that the student will pull back too hard and stall.
If you have a stick in front of you, you can easily arrange your knees or
hands to block the travel of the stick so that the student cannot suddenly
pull the stick all the way back. I think preventing a student from doing
this
with a center stick would be more difficult
You can also grab a center stick faster, since it's right in front of you,
while
you put your free hand over the students eyes, when they continue to
pull back hard and not let go as you scream, "I got it".
After you put your hand over the students eyes they quickly let go of
the stick to pull your hand away ( which is OK ) BUT,
you have control of the plane.
I think this trick would be more difficult with a center stick.
The dual controls we received from TNK were good quality.
They did not come with installation instructions but they did include
some fuzzy photos printed out by a low quality computer printer.
Took us a little extra time to install them and feel like we did it
correctly.
I forget what the cost was. Not a big factor.
I could put photos of our Mk III on our web site if anyone is interested.
We just put up a web site this week (needs a lot more work)
www.eaa279.org
chuck
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MarkIII controls |
Hi all,
I agree on the tip on covering the student's eyes to force their
hands up and off the controls in order to regain control, but would strongly
urge anyone experiencing "motion discomfort" to keep their eyes open and on
the horizon. Airsickness is usually best dealt with by having open eyes,
cool air to breathe (that's why the air vents on airliners are called
'gaspers'), and minimize exposure. Short hops may work until the person get
used to bumpy air. Once was doing airwork on a bumpy day in a medium twin
(Cessna 402) and had one of the guys fall asleep in the back. He dozed for
nearly an hour and when he woke up, hurled immediately. The human body is a
wonder.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)" <Bettie.Seitzer(at)AndersenCorp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: MarkIII controls
>
(Snip) I also
> would recommend that during an introductory flight an instructor be aware
> that some students will discover that they cannot handle the motion of a
> small plane on a bumpy day. Telling them to close their eyes might help
to
> relieve some of their discomfort until you have them safely back on the
> sweet bosom of mother earth.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Neilsen" <neilsenr(at)state.mi.us> |
| Subject: | Re: MarkIII controls |
I got my check ride in TNK MKIII demonstrator two years ago. That plane had the
dual stick setup and it had almost an inch of slop in the controls measured at
the end of the stick. In the air I never noticed it but it kind of soured me
on the dual controls. Is this normal?
As for instruction if a student were fighting the instructor in any way I would
want a real strong dual system and that's not what I remember. If I had to snatch
a stick out a students death grip I would much rather do this with the single
stick.
My $.02 worth
Rick Neilsen
VW powered MKIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter Volum" <PVolum(at)etsmiami.com> |
| Subject: | MarkIII controls |
Rick, Was that the Classic Mk III or the Xtra? If the classic (Fat Albert),
that's the plane I bought. I haven't adjusted the controls because they are
just fine as-is. I've never noticed or been bothered by any slop.
Peter Volum
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Neilsen
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MarkIII controls
I got my check ride in TNK MKIII demonstrator two years ago. That plane had
the dual stick setup and it had almost an inch of slop in the controls
measured at the end of the stick. In the air I never noticed it but it kind
of soured me on the dual controls. Is this normal?
As for instruction if a student were fighting the instructor in any way I
would want a real strong dual system and that's not what I remember. If I
had to snatch a stick out a students death grip I would much rather do this
with the single stick.
My $.02 worth
Rick Neilsen
VW powered MKIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)" <Bettie.Seitzer(at)AndersenCorp.com> |
| Subject: | MarkIII controls |
Goodness - now I have to figure out where to put the airsickness bag
dispenser on the plane and still stay under the weight limit?
On the subject of teaching brand new students. Have you found any
good predictor of whether or not people are going to be comfortable with the
motion? What sort of preparation do you offer to a person going up in a
small plane for the first time? Or is it better to say nothing and see what
happens?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Chmielewski [mailto:edchmiel(at)mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MarkIII controls
Hi all,
I agree on the tip on covering the student's eyes to force their
hands up and off the controls in order to regain control, but would strongly
urge anyone experiencing "motion discomfort" to keep their eyes open and on
the horizon. Airsickness is usually best dealt with by having open eyes,
cool air to breathe (that's why the air vents on airliners are called
'gaspers'), and minimize exposure. Short hops may work until the person get
used to bumpy air. Once was doing airwork on a bumpy day in a medium twin
(Cessna 402) and had one of the guys fall asleep in the back. He dozed for
nearly an hour and when he woke up, hurled immediately. The human body is a
wonder.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)" <Bettie.Seitzer(at)AndersenCorp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: MarkIII controls
>
(Snip) I also
> would recommend that during an introductory flight an instructor be aware
> that some students will discover that they cannot handle the motion of a
> small plane on a bumpy day. Telling them to close their eyes might help
to
> relieve some of their discomfort until you have them safely back on the
> sweet bosom of mother earth.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Color GPS Moving Map |
KISS - keep it simple.
Don't need all them dar extra cables running all over da place.
Next you have to worry about power and batteries.
Couple other things to think about - where do you store it when not flying
and obsolescence. One of the little Magellan 315's is hard to beat $100 -
if you want the aviation data base it adds about $175 with the computer I/F
cable. Not a bad deal, easy to use and works well. Another without color
is Garmin GPSIII. Outside in the sun could you see a computer color
display? I would think it would be to washed out.
jerryb
>
>Im looking for a color moving map GPS suitable for Aviation (primarily),
>roads (secondarily), and marine use (least important). I want it all, but I
>dont like the high price of the Garmin GPSMAP 295 which only meets my first
>wish-list item.
>
>One possibility Im looking into is the Anywhere Map software/pocket PC/GPS
>combo package from controlvision ( www.controlvision.com
><http://www.controlvision.com/> ). Another one is to forget my desire for
>color and go with the Lowrance Airmap 300 which I understand can also be
>used with a road map database.
>
>If anybody owns either of the above units, I would welcome your comments on
>them.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Peter Volum
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MarkIII controls |
My recommendation? Don't say a word. Some folks would nearly talk
themselves into it without getting near the bird. IMHO, of course
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)" <Bettie.Seitzer(at)AndersenCorp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: MarkIII controls
>
> Goodness - now I have to figure out where to put the airsickness bag
> dispenser on the plane and still stay under the weight limit?
> On the subject of teaching brand new students. Have you found any
> good predictor of whether or not people are going to be comfortable with
the
> motion? What sort of preparation do you offer to a person going up in a
> small plane for the first time? Or is it better to say nothing and see
what
> happens?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Chmielewski [mailto:edchmiel(at)mindspring.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:58 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MarkIII controls
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I agree on the tip on covering the student's eyes to force their
> hands up and off the controls in order to regain control, but would
strongly
> urge anyone experiencing "motion discomfort" to keep their eyes open and
on
> the horizon. Airsickness is usually best dealt with by having open eyes,
> cool air to breathe (that's why the air vents on airliners are called
> 'gaspers'), and minimize exposure. Short hops may work until the person
get
> used to bumpy air. Once was doing airwork on a bumpy day in a medium twin
> (Cessna 402) and had one of the guys fall asleep in the back. He dozed
for
> nearly an hour and when he woke up, hurled immediately. The human body is
a
> wonder.
>
> Ed in JXN
> MkII/503
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MarkIII controls |
That plane had the dual stick setup and it had almost an
inch of slop in the controls measured at the end of the
stick. In the air I never noticed it but it kind of soured
me on the dual controls. Is this normal?
Rick and Gang:
For that dual control system it was "normal." This was the
set up that old Kolb came up with. I posted a msg ref that
yesterday. Brother Jim fabricated new jigs for the Hauck
dual control system and gave them to New Kolb. The dual
systems from New Kolb are same same Miss P'fer's system.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cim & Tindy" <townsend(at)webound.com> |
List,
Updated: 9/19/01 7:35 p.m.
U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta announced late today
that much of the nation's airspace available to pilots flying under
Visual Flight Rules (VFR) has been reopened, with restrictions
remaining in major metropolitan areas and flight training.
EAA, which has worked diligently over the past week for restoration
of general aviation access to the national airspace, called the move
a very positive first step. Earlier Wednesday, EAA president Tom
Poberezny received a call from FAA Administrator Jane Garvey,
briefing him on the opening of significant national airspace segments
to VFR traffic, specifically addressing "recreational flying, air
shows, ultralights and a variety of general aviation activities." FAA
issued a NOTAM on this issue with specific details on airspace access.
"This reopening of major portions of VFR airspace with no
restrictions is very good news, especially at a time when no news was
creating a confusing and chaotic situation within general aviation,"
Poberezny said. "As we've continually stated, we wanted VFR flight to
return as it was previous to Sept. 11, with no lasting effects."
"The announcement allows the nation's aviators access to some
airspace," he said. "In conjunction with that announcement, it's
important for a continuing balance between the nation's security
issues and the needs of the country's aviation infrastructure and
potential severe economic impact. We can't stop here."
EAA and its affiliate, the National Association of Flight Instructors
(NAFI), remain committed to addressing the remaining prohibited areas
for VFR flight and flight training, which continue to cause economic
hardships throughout the country.
FDC 1/0215 FDC PART 3 OF 5 ..SPECIAL NOTICE..
B. EXAMPLES OF AUTHORIZED OPERATIONS, OUTSIDE "ENHANCED CLASS B
AIRSPACE" INCLUDE:
1. AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE REPOSITIONING.
2. BALLOONS.
3. CIVIL AIR PATROL.
4. GLIDERS.
5. MANUFACTURER PRODUCTION FLIGHT TESTS.
6. MAPPING/PHOTOGRAPHY MISSIONS.
7. PIPELINE/POWERLINE INSPECTIONS.
8. SEAPLANES.
9. SKYDIVING.
10. ULTRALIGHTS.
11. WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS.
A. THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF OPERATIONS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED:
1. CIVIL AIRCRAFT VFR FLIGHT TRAINING OPERATIONS
2. BANNER TOWING OPERATIONS
3. SIGHT SEEING FLIGHT OPERATIONS CONDUCTED FOR COMPENSATION OR
HIRE (UNDER PART 91, PURSUANT TO THE EXCEPTION IN 119.1(e)(2))
4. TRAFFIC WATCH FLIGHT OPERATIONS
5. AIRSHIP/BLIMP OPERATIONS
6. NEWS REPORTING OPERATIONS
Our Best
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________________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | HOORAY - FROM THE EAA WEBSITE |
| From: | "Lawrence M. Rice" <tailwind5(at)juno.com> |
VFR Airspace Opens Through Much of U.S. - More Information - Tom
Poberezny Messages NOTAMs Event Updates FAQs Relief Help e-Hot Line
Restricted Airspace Maps FAA Administrator Updates
Updated: 9/19/01 7:35 p.m.
U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta announced late today that
much of the nations airspace available to pilots flying under Visual
Flight Rules (VFR) has been reopened, with restrictions remaining in
major metropolitan areas and flight training.
EAA, which has worked diligently over the past week for restoration of
general aviation access to the national airspace, called the move a very
positive first step. Earlier Wednesday, EAA president Tom Poberezny
received a call from FAA Administrator Jane Garvey, briefing him on the
opening of significant national airspace segments to VFR traffic,
specifically addressing "recreational flying, air shows, ultralights and
a variety of general aviation activities." FAA issued a NOTAM on this
issue with specific details on airspace access.
"This reopening of major portions of VFR airspace with no restrictions is
very good news, especially at a time when no news was creating a
confusing and chaotic situation within general aviation," Poberezny said.
"As weve continually stated, we wanted VFR flight to return as it was
previous to Sept. 11, with no lasting effects."
"The announcement allows the nations aviators access to some airspace,"
he said. "In conjunction with that announcement, its important for a
continuing balance between the nations security issues and the needs of
the countrys aviation infrastructure and potential severe economic
impact. We cant stop here."
EAA and its affiliate, the National Association of Flight Instructors
(NAFI), remain committed to addressing the remaining prohibited areas for
VFR flight and flight training, which continue to cause economic
hardships throughout the country.
"As access to the national airspace widens, it is of extreme importance
that every pilot exercises outstanding airmanship and professionalism,"
Poberezny added. "Be especially aware of Class B airspace and restricted
areas. Understandably, during this time of national crisis, it is
absolutely critical that aviators operate responsibly."
Administrator Garvey reiterated to Poberezny that she is committed to
continuing efforts with the Department of Defense and national security
officials regarding the incremental release of more VFR airspace in the
future. Garvey also assured Poberezny that she would be in constant
contact with him regarding developments in this dynamic situation.
Poberezny acknowledged the efforts of Secretary Mineta, Administrator
Garvey and their agencies in supporting general aviation in this matter.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)iname.com> |
On my old Twinstar I welded a small section of tube to the side of the
stick and then would slide another control stick into that tube and then
pin it so I would have a Y setup. Easy to swap from regular stick to dual
stick. On my Mk X I installed dual throttles on the outside rails of the
cockpit. which I feel will make the center stick more comfortable to use.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bob n <ronoy(at)shentel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: UL: Re: Fwd: Ultralight Insurance Scam - DFW Lite Flyers] |
Any listee got caught in this insurance scam?
bn
From: pike5x5(at)antelecom.net
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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:53:23 -0000
Subject: UL: Re: Fwd: Ultralight Insurance Scam - DFW Lite Flyers
Good post Bob...
--- In FLY-UL@y..., Bob Comperini wrote:
> Hello gang,
>
> I received this e-mail this afternoon.
>
>
> >X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4
> >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:04:02 -0500
> >From: "Andy Salmon" <Andy.Salmon@t...>
> >To: <robertc@q...>
> >Cc: "Paula Robertson" <Paula.Robertson@t...>
> >Subject: Ultralight Insurance Scam - DFW Lite Flyers
cello.qnet.com id
> >PAA27698
> >
> >Mr. Comperini:
> >I am an investigator with the Texas Department of Insurance. We
are
> >working a case involving insurance sold to ultralight and parasail
pilots
> >through an organization called the Assurance Buyers Cooperative.
The
> >insurance agency is Control Systems, Inc. The agents are Howard K.
> >Holladay and Clair V. Sullivan. These folks are all in Boston, MA.
The
> >insurance company is Leeds & London Merchants Insurance, SA, in
Costa
> >Rica. One other agent is a John Mackey from Temple, TX. None of
these
> >parties are authorized to conduct insurance business in Texas.
> >
> >We are most interested in locating any Texas residents who have
purchased
> >insurance from these people. We know of at least two Texans who
bought
> >coverage and filed claims only to find out Assurance Buyers
Cooperative
> >and Leeds were out of business. These folks contacted Control
Systems and
> >bought coverage after seeing articles about it in UltraFlight
magazine.
> >
> >You could help us, and maybe some of your fellow pilots, by
spreading the
> >word that any insurance purchased from these parties is 1.) not
legal in
> >Texas and 2.) unlikely to be any good if they have a claim. We
encourage
> >anyone who has information about this, or who may have purchased
this
> >coverage, to contact me immediately by e-mail or by phone at 512-
475-1947.
> >
> >Let me know if I can answer any questions for you, and thanks for
your time.
> >
> >
> >Andy Salmon, Enforcement
> >Texas Department of Insurance
> >E-mail: andy.salmon@t...
> >512/475-1947
> >
> >
>
> --
> Robert Comperini
> USUA AFI #A16560
> e-mail: robertc@q...
> WWW: http://www.qnet.com/~robertc
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
Weeeeellll...............I wasn't really aiming at you, John. Yours is long
ago set up, and you've said before that you're happy with it. More power to
ya...............don't change a thing. My comments were aimed at a question
by someone who's trying to decide which configuration to use for their own
application. I simply presented a proven alternative that they may find
interesting/applicable. Please note that I didn't use it for my own plane,
tho' I did find it comfortable, and handy. Now, I wanna stir the
pot a little more, and put my usual .02 into another topic from the same
area. Several comments have been made regarding "putting your hand over the
students' eyes." I can only say.............PLEASE ! ! !..........be
careful ! ! ! Getting into a rasslin' match over the controls on short
final sounds like a real spooky idea to me. What would I do ??? Just
sitting here, I like to think my student - if ever - would be trained to the
point, by then, of immediately letting go of the controls when I say, "I've
got it." I know for sure that I was, when instructor Roger Hanson let me
make my 1st approach, and I promise you.............the whole procedure had
his total attention. My suggestion would be to talk to as many exerienced
instructors as you can pin down, and ask THEIR opinion. I'd be interested
in the reactions you get, and I think I'll ask some on my own, and see what
comes up. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Floor pans?
>
> He
> > had the dual sticks, and I can remember an awkwardness in getting that
stiff
> > ol' right leg over and around that stick.
>
> Lar and Gang:
>
> Perhaps with some more practice/experience getting in and
> out the MK III with dual controls it would not be so awkward
> for you.
>
> I do it everytime I get in my MK III. I will admit, it may
> be a "little" inconvenient entering and exiting the
> aircraft, but for me it is the normal way to get in and
> out. I really do not have a problem with it. Sometimes, if
> I am all bundled up and wearing large hiking boots I must be
> careful not to kick the windshield, but other than that, no
> sweat.
>
> First time I saw one of those "Y" things on a stick was the
> Robinson helicopter, some years ago at Sun and Fun. I am
> very particular about my comfort/feel of the seating
> arrangement/controls, and I did not like that set up.
> However, I only tried it once. The new MK III Extra Light
> uses the "Y" set up for stick.
>
> In my case I prefer to fly right seat. Would I end up
> having to fly with my left hand on the "Y" stick, right hand
> and arm across the chest to operate the center throttle,
> like the old MK III set up with single stick flying the left
> seat?
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
I'd be interested in what instructor Tom Kuffel has to say about all this ??
Tom ??
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
Several comments have been made regarding "putting your hand over the
> students' eyes." I can only say.............PLEASE ! ! !..........be
> careful ! ! ! Getting into a rasslin' match over the controls on short
> final sounds like a real spooky idea to me. What would I do ??? Just
> sitting here, I like to think my student - if ever - would be trained to
the
> point, by then, of immediately letting go of the controls when I say,
"I've
> got it." I know for sure that I was, when instructor Roger Hanson let me
> make my 1st approach, and I promise you.............the whole procedure
had
> his total attention. My suggestion would be to talk to as many exerienced
> instructors as you can pin down, and ask THEIR opinion. I'd be
interested
> in the reactions you get, and I think I'll ask some on my own, and see
what
> comes up. Lar.
>
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | charles webster <caw(at)nctc.com> |
well have you been up yet
Larry Bourne wrote:
>
> I'd be interested in what instructor Tom Kuffel has to say about all this ??
> Tom ??
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, Ca.
> Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
> http://www.gogittum.com
>
> Several comments have been made regarding "putting your hand over the
> > students' eyes." I can only say.............PLEASE ! ! !..........be
> > careful ! ! ! Getting into a rasslin' match over the controls on short
> > final sounds like a real spooky idea to me. What would I do ??? Just
> > sitting here, I like to think my student - if ever - would be trained to
> the
> > point, by then, of immediately letting go of the controls when I say,
> "I've
> > got it." I know for sure that I was, when instructor Roger Hanson let me
> > make my 1st approach, and I promise you.............the whole procedure
> had
> > his total attention. My suggestion would be to talk to as many exerienced
> > instructors as you can pin down, and ask THEIR opinion. I'd be
> interested
> > in the reactions you get, and I think I'll ask some on my own, and see
> what
> > comes up. Lar.
> >
> > >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: UL: Re: Fwd: Ultralight Insurance Scam - |
DFW Lite Flyers]
The USUA had some deal where you could get liability insurance, were these
companies involved?
>
>Any listee got caught in this insurance scam?
>
>bn
>To: FLY-UL(at)yahoogroups.com
>From: pike5x5(at)antelecom.net
>Mailing-List: list FLY-UL(at)yahoogroups.com; contact
>FLY-UL-owner(at)yahoogroups.com
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>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:53:23 -0000
>Subject: UL: Re: Fwd: Ultralight Insurance Scam - DFW Lite Flyers
>
>Good post Bob...
>
>--- In FLY-UL@y..., Bob Comperini wrote:
> > Hello gang,
> >
> > I received this e-mail this afternoon.
> >
> >
> > >X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4
> > >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:04:02 -0500
> > >From: "Andy Salmon" <Andy.Salmon@t...>
> > >To: <robertc@q...>
> > >Cc: "Paula Robertson" <Paula.Robertson@t...>
> > >Subject: Ultralight Insurance Scam - DFW Lite Flyers
>cello.qnet.com id
> > >PAA27698
> > >
> > >Mr. Comperini:
> > >I am an investigator with the Texas Department of Insurance. We
>are
> > >working a case involving insurance sold to ultralight and parasail
>pilots
> > >through an organization called the Assurance Buyers Cooperative.
>The
> > >insurance agency is Control Systems, Inc. The agents are Howard K.
> > >Holladay and Clair V. Sullivan. These folks are all in Boston, MA.
>The
> > >insurance company is Leeds & London Merchants Insurance, SA, in
>Costa
> > >Rica. One other agent is a John Mackey from Temple, TX. None of
>these
> > >parties are authorized to conduct insurance business in Texas.
> > >
> > >We are most interested in locating any Texas residents who have
>purchased
> > >insurance from these people. We know of at least two Texans who
>bought
> > >coverage and filed claims only to find out Assurance Buyers
>Cooperative
> > >and Leeds were out of business. These folks contacted Control
>Systems and
> > >bought coverage after seeing articles about it in UltraFlight
>magazine.
> > >
> > >You could help us, and maybe some of your fellow pilots, by
>spreading the
> > >word that any insurance purchased from these parties is 1.) not
>legal in
> > >Texas and 2.) unlikely to be any good if they have a claim. We
>encourage
> > >anyone who has information about this, or who may have purchased
>this
> > >coverage, to contact me immediately by e-mail or by phone at 512-
>475-1947.
> > >
> > >Let me know if I can answer any questions for you, and thanks for
>your time.
> > >
> > >
> > >Andy Salmon, Enforcement
> > >Texas Department of Insurance
> > >E-mail: andy.salmon@t...
> > >512/475-1947
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Robert Comperini
> > USUA AFI #A16560
> > e-mail: robertc@q...
> > WWW: http://www.qnet.com/~robertc
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:scarey |
In a message dated 9/20/01 9:40:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
biglar(at)gogittum.com writes:
> Last night, after I sent this, I called the chief instructor at Bermuda
> Dunes, and explained it to him. He said he's only had one student - a young
> Marine - freeze up on him.............short final, ready to flare. Said he
> gave a couple of quick twists to the yoke, and the guy let go. I asked,
> what if he didn't let go ?? Jim laughed, and said, I don't
> know..............a hard elbow in the ribs, I guess. So, maybe the hand
> over the eyes isn't such a bad idea after all. Hope it never happens.
> Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, Ca.
> Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
>
I call it "mind freeze" and I think it is the biggest hazard to new
pilots.....comes from the fear of the knowledge that it doesn't take hardly
anything to kill oneself...at least it happened to me a little bit on my
first glider solo flight....
GeoR38
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net> |
| Subject: | Quick head count... |
Boys and Girls, I have to say that flying never felt so good as about an
hour ago...It was rough as a bucking bronco, but I felt like I had to
exercise my freedom for a minute. I was thinking about those that paid the
ultimate price to give me that freedom and countless others and MANY thanks
and prayers go out to them and to those who risked paying the ultimate price
and praise the Lord didn't have to. Thoughts and prayers also go out to
those who are on the move right now in an attempt to smoke out the vermin
that organized this nightmare we lived through and I pray for the Lord to
protect them. I am a little emotional about it right now and I do ask your
patience...I know this is the "Kolb" list and needs to be kept on topic...I
apologize.
I have 2 questions...
First I posted a floor pan around dual Mark 3 sticks question the other day
and got alot of comments about the sticks but none about the FLOOR PANS!
Once again, anyone who can provide a picture of how they did theirs, I would
appreciate it. (Real picture or word picture...) Thanks..
Second.
I want to make the run to the Kolb Fly-in next weekend and would like to see
how many listers are planning to make the trip...I had been planning to make
the trip before this mess happened and as of right now VFR flight is once
again allowed (outside of "enhanced Class B") and I want to go! One of the
objectives of terrorism is to disrupt your life and make you live in fear,
and the more I think about that, the more I almost feel like I "have" to go.
It might sound silly but that's the way I feel...Every has an opinion you
know...
Anyway I was wondering if I would be there by myself or if others were
planning the trip as well. If you will drop me a note off-line, I will due
a running tally like I did last year and report back to the list all those
who are planning to attend. I planned to go last year and got severely
weathered out, but I feel like there might be some scud-running this year if
need be!!!(Just kidding, I'm not crazy...)
Jeremy Casey
jrcasey(at)ldl.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tom Kuffel <kuffel(at)cyberport.net> |
| Subject: | Instructor Actions |
Hi Lar,
<>
There is no one right answer to this problem. The more general question
is how far do you let a student go wrong before you take corrective
action. Obviously the sooner you supply a verbal or control cue the
less correction it takes. And the less experienced the student the more
careful one must be.
It is my job to be aware of the student's mental state. I would claim a
"freeze" doesn't happen without warning, that it is preceeded by a
rising tide of uncertanty and fear. I must detect this problem and take
over long before it becomes critical and then figure out how to make the
student comfortable and confident.
For the situation of final and flare I have specific criteria in
addition to psychological observation. As you know, I am a fanatic
about habitual airspeed control. On final I am contantly giving the low
time student airspeed callouts. If the student corrects then I know
he/she is still functioning. Otherwise, I then give a verbal statement
of the proper control action, eg: "Push forward a little and trim". If
this works, well and good, otherwise I then do the proper control
movement while verbally stating what I am doing. If the student can
then provide proper control well and good. Otherwise, this is the point
where I am very focused on signs of tension and nervousness and ready to
say "My airplane" along with a definite but hopefully gentle control
movement as I take over. By this time the same sequence of situation
statement, verbal cue, control cue with verbal statement and "My
airplane" has happened enough in airwork situations that the student is
generally trained to release pressure without delay. I don't want my
students to ever let go of the control totally. They are trained to
always hold the control lightly and otherwise follow through when I am
flying. So far I've been lucky with never a freeze.
One thing I do which I recommend to other instructors is to warn the
student ahead of time of the action I will take if they do not release
control pressure when I say "My airplane" and why this action would be
needed for mutual safety. In my case: "If I say 'My airplane'
immediately release pressure, particularly when we are low, or I will
smash your face with my elbow" (or "bang the back of your head" in
tandem seating). Maybe just putting your hand in front of their eyes is
a good alternative.
Tom
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Russell" <jr(at)rometool.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick head count... |
Hi Jeremy,
We have plans to fly to the Kolb flyin, Jack in his mark 111, Dewayne
in his mark 111, Bill in his slingshot, Possum in his halfbreed and myself
in a slingshot. If our plans do not change we are leaving from north west
Georgia sometime friday morning of the 28th.
John
Tracking #: C75694E7D33A7249ACAFE344965AEEBB36E177F7
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net> |
Just talked to TNK awhile ago and we need a head count on the fly-in pretty
quick...
so if you are intending to come but might not be a 100% sure yet, say that
too...
Jeremy Casey
jrcasey(at)ldl.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Russell" <jr(at)rometool.com> |
Just to add to what Jeremy said, I just got off the phone with Linda at
Kolb,
she told me that, inlight of recent national events, Kolb was contiplating
not having there
flyin, Kolb needs to know what interest there is, to have the flyin or not.
Like Jeremy said,
they need a head count on those attending.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:43 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Urgent..
>
> Just talked to TNK awhile ago and we need a head count on the fly-in
pretty
> quick...
> so if you are intending to come but might not be a 100% sure yet, say that
> too...
>
>
> Jeremy Casey
> jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
>
> Tracking #: 6A0A2A08899970499416BBA59470ED4A7E9E2F90
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Seitzer, Bettie (TEK Systems)" <Bettie.Seitzer(at)AndersenCorp.com> |
| Subject: | Instructor Actions |
Very helpful input. When I was first taking instruction, my instructor did
not establish a good process for establishing who was in control or when he
would be taking over control and knowing that I had relinquished control. I
appreciate the model that you gave here. It is useful to establish the
pattern early in the training process so that the student reacts
automatically to a phrase such as "My airplane". I also like the idea that
the timing of takeover depends somewhat on the student's level. Earlier for
lower time students and vice versa. Thanks again for the guidance. There
is a shortage of good instructors in our area and our goal is to help fill
that gap.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kuffel [mailto:kuffel(at)cyberport.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Instructor Actions
Hi Lar,
<>
There is no one right answer to this problem. The more general question
is how far do you let a student go wrong before you take corrective
action. Obviously the sooner you supply a verbal or control cue the
less correction it takes. And the less experienced the student the more
careful one must be.
It is my job to be aware of the student's mental state. I would claim a
"freeze" doesn't happen without warning, that it is preceeded by a
rising tide of uncertanty and fear. I must detect this problem and take
over long before it becomes critical and then figure out how to make the
student comfortable and confident.
For the situation of final and flare I have specific criteria in
addition to psychological observation. As you know, I am a fanatic
about habitual airspeed control. On final I am contantly giving the low
time student airspeed callouts. If the student corrects then I know
he/she is still functioning. Otherwise, I then give a verbal statement
of the proper control action, eg: "Push forward a little and trim". If
this works, well and good, otherwise I then do the proper control
movement while verbally stating what I am doing. If the student can
then provide proper control well and good. Otherwise, this is the point
where I am very focused on signs of tension and nervousness and ready to
say "My airplane" along with a definite but hopefully gentle control
movement as I take over. By this time the same sequence of situation
statement, verbal cue, control cue with verbal statement and "My
airplane" has happened enough in airwork situations that the student is
generally trained to release pressure without delay. I don't want my
students to ever let go of the control totally. They are trained to
always hold the control lightly and otherwise follow through when I am
flying. So far I've been lucky with never a freeze.
One thing I do which I recommend to other instructors is to warn the
student ahead of time of the action I will take if they do not release
control pressure when I say "My airplane" and why this action would be
needed for mutual safety. In my case: "If I say 'My airplane'
immediately release pressure, particularly when we are low, or I will
smash your face with my elbow" (or "bang the back of your head" in
tandem seating). Maybe just putting your hand in front of their eyes is
a good alternative.
Tom
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick head count... |
Obviously, I haven't installed dual sticks...............but I DID install
my rudder trim system, and mounted it to the floor pan. I quickly found
that it flexed the floor - a lot - and I felt very sure I'd have cracking
very soon. I installed fore & aft angle aluminum braces - under the floor,
till it was very rigid, and now I feel much more secure. I'll BET
it felt good to get up there. Hope to do it myself this weekend.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:48 AM> I have 2 questions...
>
> First I posted a floor pan around dual Mark 3 sticks question the other
day
> and got alot of comments about the sticks but none about the FLOOR PANS!
> Once again, anyone who can provide a picture of how they did theirs, I
would
> appreciate it. (Real picture or word picture...) Thanks..
>
> Second.
________________________________________________________________________________
I need some help. I sent the following request to TNK parts and service
dept. and didn't receive a response. Do any of you have the information I
need?
>>In assembling my Firefly throttle and choke I find the two cables measure
99 and 99.25 inches.The cable housing measure 94.25 and 94.50 inches.
=A0There does not seem to be enough length for the throttle.The throttle
plunger will not close all the way. Am I wrong or is the throttle cable to
short?>>
Thanks
Merle Hargis at Orlando, Fl.
flying Twinstar building Firefly
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Carter" <jcarter8(at)midsouth.rr.com> |
I'm going in my C-182, although I'll have to file IFR to get out of Memphis!
Jerry Carter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:43 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Urgent..
>
> Just talked to TNK awhile ago and we need a head count on the fly-in
pretty
> quick...
> so if you are intending to come but might not be a 100% sure yet, say that
> too...
>
>
> Jeremy Casey
> jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: throttle cable |
How you route the throttle cable is very important - the more bends and the
tighter they are the harder it works. Also impacts the amount of cable
needed. Our cable worked out of the box but I do recall we had to spent a
little time trying to figure out how to route it. I believe we used either
a 45 degree right angle carb exit which mounts to the top of the
carb. This is a part you can obtain from CPS or Lockwood and will cost
around $11. I think you will find it would help. Reference a CPS catalog.
jerryb
FireFly w/447
>
>I need some help. I sent the following request to TNK parts and service
>dept. and didn't receive a response. Do any of you have the information I
>need?
>
> >>In assembling my Firefly throttle and choke I find the two cables measure
>99 and 99.25 inches.The cable housing measure 94.25 and 94.50 inches.
>=A0There does not seem to be enough length for the throttle.The throttle>
>plunger will not close all the way. Am I wrong or is the throttle cable to
>short?>>
>
>Thanks
>
>Merle Hargis at Orlando, Fl.
>flying Twinstar building Firefly
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | cajwoods(at)mindspring.com |
| Subject: | Re: Quick head count... |
Woods brothers will be there weather permiting.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb Gearheart <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick head count... |
Herb is driving or flying.
cajwoods(at)mindspring.com wrote:
>
> Woods brothers will be there weather permiting.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim and Dondi |
> Sorry for having to contact you through the Kolb
list but I need to
> get prices to finish painting a Mk111.
Woody and Gang:
Jim and Dondi's web page has toll free numbers and other
contact info, if you need it:
http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Carter" <jcarter8(at)midsouth.rr.com> |
OK, so just what about the recent national events makes them want to cancel
the fly-in? This is just where you guys need to show a little moxy! What
are you afraid of - that some gooberhead will crash his Firefly into a
building? That you'll be hijacked on the way? If we don't pick up and march
on, those bastards have already won. I'm still weighing the decision on
which ultralight to build, and it would be nice to meet and talk to a bunch
of "Kolbsters" and visit the Kolb factory as part of this. If you all want
to hide at home, maybe I should look for another group to hang out with.
Jerry Carter
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Russell" <jr(at)rometool.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Urgent..
>
> Just to add to what Jeremy said, I just got off the phone with Linda at
> Kolb,
> she told me that, inlight of recent national events, Kolb was contiplating
> not having there
> flyin, Kolb needs to know what interest there is, to have the flyin or
not.
> Like Jeremy said,
> they need a head count on those attending.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
> To: "Kolb-List"
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:43 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Urgent..
>
>
> >
> > Just talked to TNK awhile ago and we need a head count on the fly-in
> pretty
> > quick...
> > so if you are intending to come but might not be a 100% sure yet, say
that
> > too...
> >
> >
> > Jeremy Casey
> > jrcasey(at)ldl.net
> >
> >
> > Tracking #: 6A0A2A08899970499416BBA59470ED4A7E9E2F90
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)iname.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick head count... |
>Anyway I was wondering if I would be there by myself or if others were
>planning the trip as well.
You will have 3 Canadians making it down that way by motor vehicle
(ground based).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
If you all want
> to hide at home, maybe I should look for another group to hang out with.
>
> Jerry Carter
Jerry and Gang:
Email is extremely hard to determine, at times, where the
author is coming from, what kind of mood they are in, what
they are insinuating, etc.
I don't think anyone on this List is a "hider." Anyone who
builds and flies their own airplane, especially a Kolb, is a
person who is not afraid of insurmountable problems
experienced during the building phase, or some of the
"hairy" situations we get ourselves in when we are learning
to fly and flying our Kolbs.
Who you choose to hang out with is your choice. I think us
Kolbers do more flying than hanging though. If you decide
to come to the Kolb Flyin, I am sure you will probably learn
a lot, if you want to.
Kolbs lead the way,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SGreenpg(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Quick head count... |
In a message dated 9/20/01 2:27:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jr(at)rometool.com
writes:
>
> We have plans to fly to the Kolb flyin, Jack in his mark 111, Dewayne
> in his mark 111, Bill in his slingshot, Possum in his halfbreed and myself
> in a slingshot. If our plans do not change we are leaving from north west
> Georgia sometime friday morning of the 28th.
>
> John
>
John,
If your route passes near Athens TN give me a time and I will join you.
Steven Green
MK III
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig & Gretchen" <Snaproll.er(at)gte.net> |
Hi Jeremy,
My wife and I plan to attend TNK fly-in. Will be flying the ol' man's
Skylane from Tampa Florida. Plan to fly in on Friday afternoon and leave
Sunday morning. We ordered a Mark III Xtra about three weeks ago. Looking
forward to meeting all of you, seeing our new child being born and learning
about building.
Craig Saunders
Mark III Xtra
Snaproll.er(at)gte.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeremy Casey
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:44 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Urgent..
Just talked to TNK awhile ago and we need a head count on the fly-in pretty
quick...
so if you are intending to come but might not be a 100% sure yet, say that
too...
Jeremy Casey
jrcasey(at)ldl.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Possum <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick head count... |
>
>In a message dated 9/20/01 2:27:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jr(at)rometool.com
>writes:
>
>
>>
>> We have plans to fly to the Kolb flyin, Jack in his mark 111, Dewayne
>> in his mark 111, Bill in his slingshot, Possum in his halfbreed and myself
>> in a slingshot. If our plans do not change we are leaving from north west
>> Georgia sometime friday morning of the 28th.
>>
>> John
>>
>
>John,
>
>If your route passes near Athens TN give me a time and I will join you.
>
>Steven Green
>MK III
Last year the route went from Cartersville Ga. to MCMINN CO (MMI), then to
SCOTT (SCK) at Helenwood,
then on to LONDON/Kolb. About 200 miles. How far is Athens TN? Is that
the one at McMinn Co?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Leister" <dleister(at)eriecoast.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick head count... |
I plan to fly down from Ohio. Hope to leave Thursday the 27th and if the
weather is good arrive on the 27 and stay till Saturday. I fly a Mark III
912 .
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy Casey <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Quick head count...
> I want to make the run to the Kolb Fly-in next weekend and would like to
see
> how many listers are planning to make the trip...I had been planning to
make
> the trip before this mess happened and as of right now VFR flight is once
> again allowed (outside of "enhanced Class B") and I want to go! One of
the
> objectives of terrorism is to disrupt your life and make you live in fear,
> and the more I think about that, the more I almost feel like I "have" to
go.
> It might sound silly but that's the way I feel...Every has an opinion you
> know...
> Anyway I was wondering if I would be there by myself or if others were
> planning the trip as well. If you will drop me a note off-line, I will
due
> a running tally like I did last year and report back to the list all those
> who are planning to attend. I planned to go last year and got severely
> weathered out, but I feel like there might be some scud-running this year
if
> need be!!!(Just kidding, I'm not crazy...)
>
> Jeremy Casey
> jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Pictures From Barrow Flt 2001 |
Howdy Gang:
I cleaned off all the old pics on my index page and have
begun posting pics I took during the flight to Barrow July
2001. I am grabbing cd's at random, processing and
uploading them to the index page at:
http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/
Each file is a different roll of film. They are not being
posted in the order they were exposed. The file numbers do
not indicate the correct order. Later, when I find time, I
will get the files in order, then will start posting
descriptions of the pics so you will know what you are
looking at.
Please enjoy them at your convenience. However, if you use
them, give me and Miss P'fer credit for flying up there and
taking them.
Thanks,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sam Cox" <lightflyer(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | FW: September 20, 2001 - Alert! Change to Part 103 Alert! |
> FYI For more information check http://www.usua.org
>
> Sam Cox
> USUA Region 5 Rep.
>
>
> FAA INCREASES FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS FOR ULTRALIGHTERS
>
> Although the change will not become effective until October 11, 2001, Ultralighters
should be aware of recent
> revisions to Part 103.20 Flight Restrictions in the Proximity of Certain Areas
Designated by Notice To Airmen.
> Specifically, this action amends the ultralight vehicle regulations to include
all applicable reference to
> Temporary Flight Restrictions.
> Since 1985, Part 103.20 has specifically prohibited the operation of an ultralight
vehicle in areas designated in
> a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) under Part 91.141, Flight Restrictions in the Proximity
of the Presidential and Other
> Parties and Part 91.143, Flight Limitation in the Proximity of Space Flight Operations.
>
> Amended Part 103.20
>
> Flight Restrictions in the Proximity of Certain Areas Designated by Notice to
Airmen
>
> No person may operate an ultralight in areas designated in a Notice to Airmen
under Sec. 91.137, Sec. 91.138, and
> Sec. 91. 141, Sec. 91.143, or Sec.91.145 of this chapter, unless authorized by:
> (a) Air Traffic Control (ATC); or
> (b) A Flight Standards Certificate of Waiver or Authorization issued for the
demonstration or event.
>
> As seen above the amended Part 103.20 now includes those temporary restrictions
included in: Sec. 91.137,
> Temporary Flight Restrictions in the Vicinity of Disaster/Hazard Areas; SEC.
91.138, Temporary Flight Restrictions
> in National Disaster Areas in the State of Hawaii; Sec 91.141, Flight Restrictions
in the Proximity of the
> Presidential and Other Parties; Sec. 91.143, Flight Limitations in the Proximity
of Space Flight Operations and
> Sec. 91.145, Management of Aircraft Operations in the Vicinity of Aerial Demonstrations
and Major Sporting Events.
>
> An FAA spokesperson, said, "Today there are TFR's (temporary flight restrictions)
up all over the country in
> places that are typically unlikely. It is vital that all aviators take time to
become aware of NOTAMS for their
> flying areas by obtaining a briefing from and FAA briefer or a DUATS report prior
to any flight operation."
>
> Ultralight pilots should begin making a call to an FAA Briefer or visit the DUATS
website as part of their regular
> preflight operations routine. Ultralight pilots may obtain a briefing by calling
1-800-WX-BRIEF. When connected to
> the briefer simply identify yourself by saying your last name and that you are
a pilot (whether you are operating
> under Part 103 or Part 91). If only interested in obtaining NOTAM information
you should ask for an "Abbreviated
> Briefing, NOTAMS only". Similar NOTAM information may be obtained online at WWW.duats.com.
(see registration
> procedures for Duats in earlier USUA website posting)
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JOHN M. COOLEY" <johnc(at)datasync.com> |
| Subject: | Re: initial start-up and break-in |
Hi Mike and Gang,
I think most everyone has there own idea of how to do the break-in.
There should be some info in the archives about it as it was discussed
awhile back. I'll share with you and the group what I did on my 503. First
of all I purchased the engine from Ronnie Smith who is one of the few
authorized Rotax service centers in the good ole USA. The list's own famous
John Hauck got his engine from Ronnie if I'm not mistaken. I also did the
break-in procedure at Ronnie's place. The Rotax "Installation Manual for
Engine Types 447,503 and 582" states on page 12-2 "It is recommended to fill
the first tank of fuel with a gasoline oil mixture at a mixing ratio of
100:1 . This is for safety until the complete system is properly filled with
oil." In addition to this precaution, the first time we fired up the engine
we manually held the oil pump injection lever in the wide open position
until all the air bubbles were out of the clear tubing from the pump to the
carburetors. We simply pushed the lever arm as far as it would go with our
hand while standing next to the fuselage. This does make it extra rich but
it clears the bubbles out in just a few seconds. Be sure to purge as much
air as possible from the suction tubing from the oil tank to the pump per
the manual, also on page 12-2. After doing these steps I then followed the
break-in procedure chart. Hope this helps.
Later,
John Cooley
Firestar II #1162
First start for the FS is planned for tomorrow (Fri) weather permitting.
> Question: I can't find any information in the accompanying literature
> with my 503 stating anything about enrichening the oil ratio for
> break-in. My father-in-law's Rotax powered jet boat (oil injection)
> said to mix the fuel at 50 to 1 in addition to the injected oil for the
> first 10 hours for additional lubrication during break-in. Does Rotax
> recommend this for the 503 DCDI also? Am I missing something in the
> owners manual? Engine was purchased new in April 2001. I found the
> break -in procedure chart for the first hour run-in but can't find any
> mention of additional oil in the fuel as with pappy-in-law's boat.
> Booted up the EIS with a lantern battery and set max temps, etc. What
> did you guys do about the oil?
>
> Mike in WV
> FSII 'bout ready--"bout time!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | charles webster <caw(at)nctc.com> |
hey john i want to build me a kolb and coming to flyin but you scared me when
you used that big word insurmountable promlems
tony in tenn
John Hauck wrote:
>
> If you all want
> > to hide at home, maybe I should look for another group to hang out with.
> >
> > Jerry Carter
>
> Jerry and Gang:
>
> Email is extremely hard to determine, at times, where the
> author is coming from, what kind of mood they are in, what
> they are insinuating, etc.
>
> I don't think anyone on this List is a "hider." Anyone who
> builds and flies their own airplane, especially a Kolb, is a
> person who is not afraid of insurmountable problems
> experienced during the building phase, or some of the
> "hairy" situations we get ourselves in when we are learning
> to fly and flying our Kolbs.
>
> Who you choose to hang out with is your choice. I think us
> Kolbers do more flying than hanging though. If you decide
> to come to the Kolb Flyin, I am sure you will probably learn
> a lot, if you want to.
>
> Kolbs lead the way,
>
> john h
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rayfield, Don" <drayfiel(at)kcc.com> |
I plan to be there with a guest(potential customer) Friday thru sun.Do not
archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Casey [mailto:jrcasey(at)ldl.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:44 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Urgent..
Just talked to TNK awhile ago and we need a head count on the fly-in pretty
quick...
so if you are intending to come but might not be a 100% sure yet, say that
too...
Jeremy Casey
jrcasey(at)ldl.net
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| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net> |
| Subject: | Head count as of Fri.9/21 - 9 am |
Kolb list fly-in attendance list...
Richard Pike - M3
John Russell - Slingshot
Jack - M3
Dewayne Woods - M3
Bill Woods - Slingshot
Possum - Halfbreed(?)
Harris Mcdonald - Rans S6
Lamar Jackson/Jeremy Casey - Cessna 150
John Hauck - M3 "Miss P'fer"
Gene Ledbetter - Firefly or drive
Michael Maltby - Building Firestar
Steven Green - Mark 3
Bill Futrell
Duane Mitchell - Firefly
Jerry Carter - Cessna 182
Herb Gearheart
Woody's 3 Canadians
Craig Saunders + wife - Cessna Skylane
David Leister - Mark 3
Tony in Tenn.
Don Rayfield + guest
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SGreenpg(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Quick head count... |
MMI is where I fly out of. If you have an idea when you will be there I will be
waiting.
Steven Green
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron or Mary" <ronormar(at)apex.net> |
Ron and Mary Payne will be there if it is on.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Singer <hp2693(at)cmuonline.net> |
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| From: | Julian Warren <jgw300(at)webolium.com> |
| Subject: | Pt Barrow Pictures |
I enjoyed so much your photos taken during the Barrow flight. Thank you
for sharing the trip with us.
Julian Warren
Eugene, Oregon
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| From: | "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | hingless aileron/gap seal |
On the Zeniith website they have a very persuasive argument for getting rid
of aileron hinges and simply using a piec of .016 6061 t6 aluminum that
flexes for the hinge. this is a very clean install that also works as a gap
seal. on the kolb designs I think that it would also work extreemly well
and I am tetitively panning on using it. Itf some of you have a moment to
read through this web site:
http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-aileron.html
look at your planes wings and give it some thought, I would be very
interested in your comments. I would probably have to make littl detours
around the Homer bumps on the front side of the aileron but I dont think
that would be a big problem. Thanks for your thoughts
Topher
Building FSII
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| From: | "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com> |
The "hand over the eyes" is one of many responses for regaining control.
In over 2,500 hours of dual given, I can count on one hand the number of
times I've had a student freeze. I think luck is a major factor there. Did
have one ol' boy, a biker who fancied airplanes and went about 320 in his
birthday suit, show up about 3 or 4 times a year for "dual" (a ride). The
FBO owner and I were the only ones allowed to take him up, we had an
agreement to keep one arm over his seat, then if he acted up we would at
least be able to put a headlock on him. If I'd put my hand over his eyes,
he'd probably tear it off and hand it back. He was never a bother, but... be
prepared.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Floor pans?
>
> Last night, after I sent this, I called the chief instructor at Bermuda
> Dunes, and explained it to him. He said he's only had one student - a
young
> Marine - freeze up on him.............short final, ready to flare. Said
he
> gave a couple of quick twists to the yoke, and the guy let go. I asked,
> what if he didn't let go ?? Jim laughed, and said, I don't
> know..............a hard elbow in the ribs, I guess. So, maybe the hand
> over the eyes isn't such a bad idea after all. Hope it never happens.
> Lar.
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| From: | "jrodebush" <jrodebush(at)cinci.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Quick head count for Kolb fly-in |
My son & I plan on driving down from Cincinnati Friday night or early
Saturday morning.
Rex Rodebush (building a Mark III Xtra)
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| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb Fly-in in a no go... |
Just got a call from Danny Mullins at TNK. They are calling off the fly-in
this year and asked me to put this notice out on the list. I hate to be the
bearer of bad news but that's the word.
As far as the rest of you, I have a suggestion to throw out and see what the
opinion is. Since we are already planning to head out for the weekend, is
there any reason to not pick a semi-neutral field to meet at Sat. morning
and talk Kolb anyway? Maybe someone's home field with a friendly FBO that
could certainly use the gas sale after the lock down they just went through?
I have been planning to go fly next weekend and still would like to tear out
somewhere.
Jeremy "Draggin' low" Casey
jrcasey(at)ldl.net
P.S. Hope you guys with airline tickets can get your money back...
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| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net> |
I've read about some of the KR guys having Gatherings at Lake Barkley, Tenn.
Pictures look like a really nice place, with camping facilities and
everything. Any Volunteers know much about it? Just throwing out ideas...
Jeremy Casey
jrcasey(at)ldl.net
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| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net> |
Another thought and I'll shut up...If we could twist John H's arm into
getting that 30 rolls of film developed, that would fill a whole lot of
chit-chat time right there...Not to mention if Dave and Will would make the
trip...those pictures would fill a bunch more as well
Jeremy Casey
jrcasey(at)ldl.net
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| From: | charles webster <caw(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Head count as of Fri.9/21 - 9 am |
tony in tenn will be in a Tri-Champ
Jeremy Casey wrote:
>
> Kolb list fly-in attendance list...
>
> Richard Pike - M3
> John Russell - Slingshot
> Jack - M3
> Dewayne Woods - M3
> Bill Woods - Slingshot
> Possum - Halfbreed(?)
> Harris Mcdonald - Rans S6
> Lamar Jackson/Jeremy Casey - Cessna 150
> John Hauck - M3 "Miss P'fer"
> Gene Ledbetter - Firefly or drive
> Michael Maltby - Building Firestar
> Steven Green - Mark 3
> Bill Futrell
> Duane Mitchell - Firefly
> Jerry Carter - Cessna 182
> Herb Gearheart
> Woody's 3 Canadians
> Craig Saunders + wife - Cessna Skylane
> David Leister - Mark 3
> Tony in Tenn.
> Don Rayfield + guest
>
>
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| From: | "Peter Volum" <PVolum(at)etsmiami.com> |
| Subject: | Head count as of Fri.9/21 - 9 am |
That's one heck of a lot of people for a supposedly cancelled event! It
would be a great show of spirit for everybody to turn up even after TNK
decided to cancel the event! I fact, that would force them to un-cancel it
as they couldn't be the only no-shows!
tony in tenn will be in a Tri-Champ
Jeremy Casey wrote:
>
> Kolb list fly-in attendance list...
>
> Richard Pike - M3
> John Russell - Slingshot
> Jack - M3
> Dewayne Woods - M3
> Bill Woods - Slingshot
> Possum - Halfbreed(?)
> Harris Mcdonald - Rans S6
> Lamar Jackson/Jeremy Casey - Cessna 150
> John Hauck - M3 "Miss P'fer"
> Gene Ledbetter - Firefly or drive
> Michael Maltby - Building Firestar
> Steven Green - Mark 3
> Bill Futrell
> Duane Mitchell - Firefly
> Jerry Carter - Cessna 182
> Herb Gearheart
> Woody's 3 Canadians
> Craig Saunders + wife - Cessna Skylane
> David Leister - Mark 3
> Tony in Tenn.
> Don Rayfield + guest
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| From: | charles webster <caw(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Head count as of Fri.9/21 - 9 am |
why is it cancelled
Peter Volum wrote:
>
> That's one heck of a lot of people for a supposedly cancelled event! It
> would be a great show of spirit for everybody to turn up even after TNK
> decided to cancel the event! I fact, that would force them to un-cancel it
> as they couldn't be the only no-shows!
>
>
> tony in tenn will be in a Tri-Champ
>
> Jeremy Casey wrote:
>
> >
> > Kolb list fly-in attendance list...
> >
> > Richard Pike - M3
> > John Russell - Slingshot
> > Jack - M3
> > Dewayne Woods - M3
> > Bill Woods - Slingshot
> > Possum - Halfbreed(?)
> > Harris Mcdonald - Rans S6
> > Lamar Jackson/Jeremy Casey - Cessna 150
> > John Hauck - M3 "Miss P'fer"
> > Gene Ledbetter - Firefly or drive
> > Michael Maltby - Building Firestar
> > Steven Green - Mark 3
> > Bill Futrell
> > Duane Mitchell - Firefly
> > Jerry Carter - Cessna 182
> > Herb Gearheart
> > Woody's 3 Canadians
> > Craig Saunders + wife - Cessna Skylane
> > David Leister - Mark 3
> > Tony in Tenn.
> > Don Rayfield + guest
>
>
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| From: | "Beauford Tuton" <beauford(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
Mr. Carter:
Some of us "gooberheads with Fireflys" have been working 16 hours a day
straight through since 11 Sep...
Don't let the List hit you in the ass as you depart the fix...
Beauford
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Carter" <jcarter8(at)midsouth.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Urgent..
>
> OK, so just what about the recent national events makes them want to
cancel
> the fly-in? This is just where you guys need to show a little moxy! What
> are you afraid of - that some gooberhead will crash his Firefly into a
> building? That you'll be hijacked on the way? If we don't pick up and
march
> on, those bastards have already won. I'm still weighing the decision on
> which ultralight to build, and it would be nice to meet and talk to a
bunch
> of "Kolbsters" and visit the Kolb factory as part of this. If you all want
> to hide at home, maybe I should look for another group to hang out with.
>
> Jerry Carter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Russell" <jr(at)rometool.com>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Urgent..
>
>
> >
> > Just to add to what Jeremy said, I just got off the phone with Linda at
> > Kolb,
> > she told me that, inlight of recent national events, Kolb was
contiplating
> > not having there
> > flyin, Kolb needs to know what interest there is, to have the flyin or
> not.
> > Like Jeremy said,
> > they need a head count on those attending.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
> > To: "Kolb-List"
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:43 PM
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Urgent..
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Just talked to TNK awhile ago and we need a head count on the fly-in
> > pretty
> > > quick...
> > > so if you are intending to come but might not be a 100% sure yet, say
> that
> > > too...
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeremy Casey
> > > jrcasey(at)ldl.net
> > >
> > >
> > > Tracking #: 6A0A2A08899970499416BBA59470ED4A7E9E2F90
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Possum <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
>
>Mr. Carter:
>Some of us "gooberheads with Fireflys" have been working 16 hours a day
>straight through since 11 Sep...
>Don't let the List hit you in the ass as you depart the fix...
>Beauford
>OK, so jest whut about th' recent nashunal events makes them be hankerin'
to cancel th' fly-in? This hyar is jest whar yo' >guys need t'show a li'l
moxy! Fry mah hide! Whut in tarnation is yo' afraid of - thet some
gooberhaid will crash his Firefly >into a buildin'? Thet yo'll be hijacked
on th' way? Eff'n we doesn't pick up an' march on, them bastards haf
already won, as >enny fool kin plainly see. ah's still weighin' th'
decishun on which ultralight t'build, an' it'd be nice t'meet an' talk t'a
>bunch of "Kolbsters" an' viset th' Kolb facko'y as part of this. Eff'n yo'
all want t'hide at home, mebbe ah sh'd look fo' >t'other group t'hang out wif.
That's telling um gooberhead.
archive
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| From: | cajwoods(at)mindspring.com |
Hey guys,
Maybe could talk the owners of Etowah Bend airstrip in Cartersville Ga. into
letting us meet there iffin the Kolb folks don't have any GUTS! If any
interest, I will give it a shot to organise it within a weeks notice. Let me
know with lots of e-mail. Don't know the exact coordinates right now but if
you punch VPC (Cartersville Ga.), is within 12 miles from it. If enough
interest, I will post exact coordinates.
Bill Woods
912S Slingshot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Idea?
>
> I've read about some of the KR guys having Gatherings at Lake Barkley,
Tenn.
> Pictures look like a really nice place, with camping facilities and
> everything. Any Volunteers know much about it? Just throwing out
ideas...
>
> Jeremy Casey
> jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
>
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| From: | cajwoods(at)mindspring.com |
Do you have web site? Anything is better than nothing.
Bill Woods
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Idea?
>
> I've read about some of the KR guys having Gatherings at Lake Barkley,
Tenn.
> Pictures look like a really nice place, with camping facilities and
> everything. Any Volunteers know much about it? Just throwing out
ideas...
>
> Jeremy Casey
> jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
>
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
Dunno about Dave, but since Will was in L.A. on business, and was kind enuf
to drive 100 miles out of his way between jobs, (Palm Springs isn't quite on
the line between Anaheim & San Fernando, CA.) we had the opportunity for a
very pleasant 1/2 day+ visit today. He looked over Vamoose, and seemed to
approve, tho' he did express concern about the weight. He has a point, all
right, so we'll see. We also took time to visit the Palm Springs WW II Air
Museum. Neat place. So..............thanks for the visit Will, but, you
guys, I doubt if he'll be making the fly-in. Sociable Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Idea 2...
>
>
> Another thought and I'll shut up...If we could twist John H's arm into
> getting that 30 rolls of film developed, that would fill a whole lot of
> chit-chat time right there...Not to mention if Dave and Will would make
the
> trip...those pictures would fill a bunch more as well
>
> Jeremy Casey
> jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
>
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| From: | "Randy Berry" <sc_bassman(at)hotmail.com> |
At this point, I am planning to come ... but doubt that I will be bringing my airplane.
If I do, it will be trailered in. Possibility that I may have one or
two other Kolb pilots with me.
Randy Berry
Kolb Firestar KXP
SC
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy Casey
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:42 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Urgent..
Just talked to TNK awhile ago and we need a head count on the fly-in pretty
quick...
so if you are intending to come but might not be a 100% sure yet, say that
too...
Jeremy Casey
jrcasey(at)ldl.net
=
=
=
=
=
=
r download : http://explorer.msn.com
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
Definite merit to the idea, but I think you'd want to build the ailerons and
elevators with flush ribs on the leading edges. I can visualize an awful
struggle if you didn't. Hmmmmmm.....................???
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:58 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: hingless aileron/gap seal
>
> On the Zeniith website they have a very persuasive argument for getting
rid
> of aileron hinges and simply using a piec of .016 6061 t6 aluminum that
> flexes for the hinge. this is a very clean install that also works as a
gap
> seal. on the kolb designs I think that it would also work extreemly well
> and I am tetitively panning on using it. Itf some of you have a moment to
> read through this web site:
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-aileron.html
>
> look at your planes wings and give it some thought, I would be very
> interested in your comments. I would probably have to make littl detours
> around the Homer bumps on the front side of the aileron but I dont think
> that would be a big problem. Thanks for your thoughts
>
> Topher
>
> Building FSII
>
>
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| From: | "Cim & Tindy" <townsend(at)webound.com> |
| Subject: | Aileron counter weights |
List,
I am just about finished building my Mark III.
It is painted and the 582 and instruments are
in place. My Q is do I really need the aileron
counter weights,, they sure do weigh a bit.
I am ready to cut the fabric from the end of the tube
but thought I would get your advice first.
Thanks all for the good posts on here.
I sure wish we could send pics. with the posts
like all the other chat lists but this one is bannerless.
Our Best
Tim & Cindy Townsend
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cim & Tindy" <townsend(at)webound.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
Folding them back to fold the wings
may be a problem.
Our Best
Tim & Cindy Townsend
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bourne
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: hingless aileron/gap seal
Definite merit to the idea, but I think you'd want to build the
ailerons and
elevators with flush ribs on the leading edges. I can visualize an
awful
struggle if you didn't. Hmmmmmm.....................???
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net>
To:
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:58 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: hingless aileron/gap seal
>
> On the Zeniith website they have a very persuasive argument for
getting
rid
> of aileron hinges and simply using a piec of .016 6061 t6 aluminum
that
> flexes for the hinge. this is a very clean install that also works
as a
gap
> seal. on the kolb designs I think that it would also work extreemly
well
> and I am tetitively panning on using it. Itf some of you have a
moment to
> read through this web site:
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-aileron.html
>
> look at your planes wings and give it some thought, I would be very
> interested in your comments. I would probably have to make littl
detours
> around the Homer bumps on the front side of the aileron but I dont
think
> that would be a big problem. Thanks for your thoughts
>
> Topher
>
> Building FSII
>
>
=
=
=
=
=
=
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| From: | "rbaker(at)shop4zero.com" <rbaker(at)ccgnv.net> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
Topher,
Could they be a problem when you fold the wings?
L. Ray Baker
Lake Butler, FL
Mark III, 912,BRS,N329RB.
95% Done, 20% to go
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher John Armstrong <Tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: hingless aileron/gap seal
>
> On the Zeniith website they have a very persuasive argument for getting
rid
> of aileron hinges and simply using a piec of .016 6061 t6 aluminum that
> flexes for the hinge. this is a very clean install that also works as a
gap
> seal. on the kolb designs I think that it would also work extreemly well
> and I am tetitively panning on using it. Itf some of you have a moment to
> read through this web site:
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tom Kuffel <kuffel(at)cyberport.net> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
Topher,
<http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-aileron.html >>
This looks very interesting and I may try it on my FireStar. One caveat
however. There is a large difference in the stress distributions of the
Zenith designs and the Kolb application. In the first you have a top
face of the aileron extending forward and attaching to the flat top skin
of the wing. The flat to flat riveted joint supplies support fore and
aft of the rivets and would tend to shift the bending stress toward the
middle of the "hinge" skin. On the Kolb this joint is a tangental line
of a flat sheet to a tube. Here the bending stress would tend to be
applied to the joint rivets alone. Thus the fatigue testing done by
Zenith simply doesn't apply to the Kolb.
Still, might be better than fussing with the piano hinges and gap seals,
etc. Keep us posted on how it works out if you decide to use it.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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| From: | "plane" <plane(at)atomic.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick head count... |
I plan on attending the fly in, And am looking forward to meeting everybody
I will have to leave the soobydoo home as I don't trust it to go that far.
had a little problem the other day, the motor started to lose power like it
was over heated and getting ready to seize I pumped the throttle back and
forth a few times or maybe a bunch of times and I got my rpm back up then I
landed in a field to check things out, water temp was normal, 190 deg. oil
was full , battery was normal, fuel pump was working, could not find
anything wrong I ran the motor for about 20 min. and it ran 100 % buy this
time it was to dark to fly back to the airport. had to call wife to come and
save me ( always carry your cell phone when you go flying ) This way you do
not have to walk home. went back the next day and ran the motor for about
45 mins. at all rpms every thing checked out ok then I took off climbed up
to about 3000 ft and circled the field for about 15 mins, all was good,
headed back to the airport with no problems. the temperature was about 65
deg. and higher then normal humidity on that day could it have been carb
ice. I think so I am now gathering up the stuff to put carb heat on
hope to see all soon should be two of us attending.
Randy Back to flying the soobydoo
----- Original Message -----
From: <SGreenpg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Quick head count...
>
> In a message dated 9/20/01 2:27:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jr(at)rometool.com
> writes:
>
>
> >
> > We have plans to fly to the Kolb flyin, Jack in his mark 111,
Dewayne
> > in his mark 111, Bill in his slingshot, Possum in his halfbreed and
myself
> > in a slingshot. If our plans do not change we are leaving from north
west
> > Georgia sometime friday morning of the 28th.
> >
> > John
> >
>
> John,
>
> If your route passes near Athens TN give me a time and I will join you.
>
> Steven Green
> MK III
>
>
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| From: | ZepRep251(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron counter weights |
On a Firestar Kolb Stated in bold type:Aileron counterbalances are not
optional.They are mandatory.And your Mark has to be faster than an FS2
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Possum <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick head count... |
>
>I plan on attending the fly in, And am looking forward to meeting everybody
>I will have to leave the soobydoo home as I don't trust it to go that far.
>had a little problem the other day, the motor started to lose power like it
>was over heated and getting ready to seize I pumped the throttle back and
>forth a few times or maybe a bunch of times and I got my rpm back up then I
>landed in a field to check things out, water temp was normal, 190 deg. oil
>was full , battery was normal, fuel pump was working, could not find
>anything wrong I ran the motor for about 20 min. and it ran 100 % buy this
>time it was to dark to fly back to the airport. had to call wife to come and
>save me ( always carry your cell phone when you go flying ) This way you do
>not have to walk home. went back the next day and ran the motor for about
>45 mins. at all rpms every thing checked out ok then I took off climbed up
>to about 3000 ft and circled the field for about 15 mins, all was good,
>headed back to the airport with no problems. the temperature was about 65
>deg. and higher then normal humidity on that day could it have been carb
>ice. I think so I am now gathering up the stuff to put carb heat on
> hope to see all soon should be two of us attending.
>
> Randy Back to flying the soobydoo
NOT TO WORRY ("I pumped the throttle back"), BE HAPPY, ("or maybe a bunch
of times
and I got my rpm back up") but it won't be the TWO of you attending - by
golly man.
"had to call wife to come and save me" (always carry your cell phone when
you go flying)
HAVE FUN AND BE HAPPY. Wash you plane. Maybe the Gods smile on us next year.
BTW. . . where do I volunteer to drop bombs on the bastards this weekend
or as a matter of fact . .next weekend since I ain't got nothin better to
do now... by God.
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 9/20/01 2:37:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrcasey(at)ldl.net
writes:
> Just talked to TNK awhile ago and we need a head count on the fly-in pretty
> quick...
> so if you are intending to come but might not be a 100% sure yet, say that
> too...
>
>
> Jeremy Casey
> jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
I'll be there....by car....GeoR38
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron counter weights |
Yes. Watching your aileron flutter is very disconcerting. And bad for your
wing, too.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>List,
>
>I am just about finished building my Mark III.
>It is painted and the 582 and instruments are
>in place. My Q is do I really need the aileron
>counter weights,, they sure do weigh a bit.
>I am ready to cut the fabric from the end of the tube
>but thought I would get your advice first.
>Thanks all for the good posts on here.
>I sure wish we could send pics. with the posts
>like all the other chat lists but this one is bannerless.
>
>Our Best
>
>Tim & Cindy Townsend
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sam Cox" <lightflyer(at)email.msn.com> |
> Maybe could talk the owners of Etowah Bend airstrip in Cartersville Ga. into
> letting us meet there iffin the Kolb folks don't have any GUTS!
> Bill Woods
> 912S Slingshot
Is there anyone thinking of attending the Octoberlite Fly-In in Lucedale, MS. ?
Sam Cox
FS-367
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
Hey Bill,
Ease up. Don't you think your being a little rough on the Kolb
operation. At the time they considered cancelling it, no body could
fly. I think they expected they would have a low turn out since most were
sitting around crying in their beer. Things have changed since then and
people have expressed their still interested.
Let's face it, when everyone was grounded things didn't look good for
them. They are looking down the pipe at zipo sales and not knowing if or
when flying would be permitted. So far everyone in the industry said
orders dried up in that second week. Facing a situation the first thing
any responsible small business owner is going to do is cut unnecessary
expenses. Hosting this event meant expenses and if likely people were not
going to attend, that was the proper action. It's not guts it
survival. They put out a message to determine the interest level followed
by requesting a head count to get an estimate of how many to expect since
the no flying restriction would influence the typical attendance
numbers. Since then VFR flight is now allowed but still catches a number
of people due to the Class B airspace flight restriction. So please cut
them a little slack and not be so quick with your sword.
Jerry Bidle
FireFly owner suck in Class B 8(
>
>Hey guys,
>Maybe could talk the owners of Etowah Bend airstrip in Cartersville Ga. into
>letting us meet there iffin the Kolb folks don't have any GUTS! If any
>interest, I will give it a shot to organise it within a weeks notice. Let me
>know with lots of e-mail. Don't know the exact coordinates right now but if
>you punch VPC (Cartersville Ga.), is within 12 miles from it. If enough
>interest, I will post exact coordinates.
>Bill Woods
>912S Slingshot
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
>To: "Kolb-List"
>Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:23 PM
>Subject: Kolb-List: Idea?
>
>
> >
> > I've read about some of the KR guys having Gatherings at Lake Barkley,
>Tenn.
> > Pictures look like a really nice place, with camping facilities and
> > everything. Any Volunteers know much about it? Just throwing out
>ideas...
> >
> > Jeremy Casey
> > jrcasey(at)ldl.net
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron counter weights |
My Q is do I really need the aileron
> counter weights,, they sure do weigh a bit.
> Tim & Cindy Townsend
Tim and Gang:
Only when you encounter aileron flutter. However, it is
difficult inserting and riveting them in the outboard ends
of the ailerons during severe flutter.
Sorta like, "Do you need a parachute?"
Take care,
john h
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
> Where is Lake Barkley? I looked on all my Tennessee maps (except the
> sectional) and I can't find it.
> Richard Pike
Richard and Gang:
Spent my last night on the Barrow flight sleeping under the
wing on the tarmac at Lake Barclay State Park, KY. Have
been weathered in there on previous flights to and from
Oshkosh. It is strictly a State Park airport. Not a whole
lot of traffic. Van available for transportation to the
Lodge and Resturant. Lot of area around the FBO. 100LL
available on site.
Airport identifier is: 1M9
Located almost due west of Hopkinsville, KY, aprx'ly 40
miles. On the St Louis Sectional. Airfield symbol does not
indicate service available, but they do have 100LL.
I am game to go.
john h
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| From: | "Cim & Tindy" <townsend(at)webound.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron counter weights |
OK Ok ,
Thanks all,,, I will be installing them tomorrow.
That is what I thought,, but I needed to hear it
from you all.... Thanks.
God Bless America
Our Best
Tim & Cindy Townsend
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron counter weights
My Q is do I really need the aileron
> counter weights,, they sure do weigh a bit.
> Tim & Cindy Townsend
Tim and Gang:
Only when you encounter aileron flutter. However, it is
difficult inserting and riveting them in the outboard ends
of the ailerons during severe flutter.
Sorta like, "Do you need a parachute?"
Take care,
john h
=
=
=
=
=
=
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
One factor is the amount of deflection on a Kolb relative to the Zenith
application. Any increase would immediately impact the fatigue factor thus
possibility of fatigue cracks developing sooner. I would build it like the
plans. It's time tested and proven.
jerryb
>
>Topher,
>
><aluminum that
>flexes for the hinge ..
>http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-aileron.html >>
>
>This looks very interesting and I may try it on my FireStar. One caveat
>however. There is a large difference in the stress distributions of the
>Zenith designs and the Kolb application. In the first you have a top
>face of the aileron extending forward and attaching to the flat top skin
>of the wing. The flat to flat riveted joint supplies support fore and
>aft of the rivets and would tend to shift the bending stress toward the
>middle of the "hinge" skin. On the Kolb this joint is a tangental line
>of a flat sheet to a tube. Here the bending stress would tend to be
>applied to the joint rivets alone. Thus the fatigue testing done by
>Zenith simply doesn't apply to the Kolb.
>
>Still, might be better than fussing with the piano hinges and gap seals,
>etc. Keep us posted on how it works out if you decide to use it.
>
>Tom Kuffel
>Whitefish, MT
>Building Original FireStar
>
>
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron counter weights |
Yes, put them on.
Counter weights are used to balance the aileron to prevent or reduce
potential control surface flutter, in this case aileron flutter. Flutter
is an oscillation that develops when surfaces are unbalanced and they hit
that magic speed and movement which causes the oscillation to begin. (Note
flex in the control surface and slop in the control system can also induce
flutter. Since the Kolbs are lower speed aircraft they would normally not
be as susceptible to these.) Once aileron flutter starts in flight it
seldom can be stopped other than reducing speed if not to violent. It can
increase in intensity to the point of destruction. Hope your get the
picture. I'm guessing here but I would suspect that the MK-III has at some
time during testing demonstrated slight flutter in just the right
condition. As a precaution Kolb probably incorporated the counter balance
as the fix. (This is a normal aircraft industry design and construction
solution). I'm not a Mk-III builder but if the plans call for them do
indeed put them on, there not an option.
jerryb
>
>List,
>
>I am just about finished building my Mark III.
>It is painted and the 582 and instruments are
>in place. My Q is do I really need the aileron
>counter weights,, they sure do weigh a bit.
>I am ready to cut the fabric from the end of the tube
>but thought I would get your advice first.
>Thanks all for the good posts on here.
>I sure wish we could send pics. with the posts
>like all the other chat lists but this one is bannerless.
>
>Our Best
>
>Tim & Cindy Townsend
>
>
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Something about building - Gap Seal Material |
Everyone faces that gap seal question and what they should use.
Suggestions include Book Bonding Tape, gluing fabric between surfaces,
Mylar tape, etc. I would not use the clear shipping tape, its not UV
resistant and you'll soon have a major clear up job after it starts
cracking and peeling off. The pieces and adhesive left behind is a real
problem to clean up.
We faced this same dilemma while building our FireFly. Reports were the
Book Binding tape worked was didn't last very long and had to be removed
and replaced. Being an ex-3M employee I got looking at various tapes. 3M
produced some excellent tape for the application but it wasn't readily
available nor what I had in mind wasn't UV resistant. The only UV stuff
seemed to be what is used on vehicles for trim stripping. I went to a
local trim supplier and found what appeared may work. We ended up using
rolls of 2" and 1" wide white trim stripping tape. (Note this is available
in many different colors) This December will be 3 years, it looks good
and its holding up very well. We had to replace one piece which cracked
and that was due to our installation. So far no cracks and no peeling
off. Note after it been on for a while removal takes care so you don't
peel paint off. Warning grab you shorts this stuff is pretty pricey. The
2" came in a 50 foot roll and the 1" came in a 150 foot roll. Each roll is
around $34 each.
Application
Cut pieces of 2" to the length required and a 1" piece slightly
longer. (Try a couple pieces before you cut everything) Example for the
wing we may have 3 pieces, end to hinge - hinge to hinge - hinge to end,
each being a separate piece. We cut short pieces for the hinges and
applied them from the top after doing the wings and tail. On the 2" wide
piece peel the clear protective covering from what would normally would be
the exposed surface. (I can not recall if I folded the 2" wide piece
before I attached the 1" wide piece to it or after it.) Fold the 2" wide
piece so it forms a slight crease (
shape) with what would be the sticky
side up. On the 2" wide piece peel the back side paper off to expose the
sticky surface and lay it sticky side up on a table. Take the 1" wide
piece and peel the paper off to expose the sticky surface, lay it centered
over the 2". (Sticky surface to sticky surface) This will leave a 1/2"
wide sticky surface on each edge of the 2" piece with 1" non-sticky surface
in the center. On the 1" wide piece peel off the clear protective covering
from what would normally be the exposed surface. Trim the 1" to match the
length of the 2" piece.
Installing the tape - go slow and learn to work with it: You'll need to
fold the 2" wide piece to form a crease (
shape) so the sticky edges are
up so from the bottom it will fit up into the gap area between the wing and
control surfaces. (Note, it needs to be installed in
shape to allow
control movement - practice with a short piece to perfect your
procedure) Center the creased tape over a ruler (2-3') and use it to
help center and position it into the proper location. Slowly from the
center working out to each end, first seat one side then do the other. (Do
not make it tight straight across surface to surface or your controls will
bind.)
I would say it took up 3, not more than 4 hours to do ours, maybe
less. Once you get the technique down it goes pretty fast especially if
your have one person cutting and preparing and another measuring and applying.
That's enough for the day, break open a beer and sit back.
jerryb
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Fly-in in a no go... |
Are you sure about this - any other confirmation. I can't believe they
would do this after asking for the role call and seeing there was still
considerable interest. They seem to be a little slow up there, do they
realize that they can fly. Their not appear to be within Class B airspace
from what I could tell on AeroPlanner.com. This should piss a few people off.
jerryb
>
>Just got a call from Danny Mullins at TNK. They are calling off the fly-in
>this year and asked me to put this notice out on the list. I hate to be the
>bearer of bad news but that's the word.
>As far as the rest of you, I have a suggestion to throw out and see what the
>opinion is. Since we are already planning to head out for the weekend, is
>there any reason to not pick a semi-neutral field to meet at Sat. morning
>and talk Kolb anyway? Maybe someone's home field with a friendly FBO that
>could certainly use the gas sale after the lock down they just went through?
>I have been planning to go fly next weekend and still would like to tear out
>somewhere.
>
>Jeremy "Draggin' low" Casey
>jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
>P.S. Hope you guys with airline tickets can get your money back...
>
>
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
Darn,
Darn I missed the message of 9/21 about Kolb Flyin a no go.
(Do not take this message as a confirmation in any way.)
Bill, I guess you may have a right to be pissed.
Any explanation why cancelling at this point after the roll showed
considerable interest with people planning on attending. The people there
are going to take it in the shorts over this.
jerryb
>
>Hey guys,
>Maybe could talk the owners of Etowah Bend airstrip in Cartersville Ga. into
>letting us meet there iffin the Kolb folks don't have any GUTS! If any
>interest, I will give it a shot to organise it within a weeks notice. Let me
>know with lots of e-mail. Don't know the exact coordinates right now but if
>you punch VPC (Cartersville Ga.), is within 12 miles from it. If enough
>interest, I will post exact coordinates.
>Bill Woods
>912S Slingshot
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
>To: "Kolb-List"
>Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:23 PM
>Subject: Kolb-List: Idea?
>
>
> >
> > I've read about some of the KR guys having Gatherings at Lake Barkley,
>Tenn.
> > Pictures look like a really nice place, with camping facilities and
> > everything. Any Volunteers know much about it? Just throwing out
>ideas...
> >
> > Jeremy Casey
> > jrcasey(at)ldl.net
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron or Mary" <ronormar(at)apex.net> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2001 00:28:20
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: hingless aileron/gap seal
-->
The Kolb uses round tubes for the trailing edge of the wing and leading edge
of the ailerons vs a flat surface on the Zenith. This would mean that the
hingless system would only have line contact on both sides. I am afraid
that the rivets would loosen very quickly. I would stick with the Kolb
design.
Ron Payne
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron or Mary" <ronormar(at)apex.net> |
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2001 00:00:55
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Idea?
> Where is Lake Barkley? I looked on all my Tennessee maps (except the
> sectional) and I can't find it.
> Richard Pike
Lake Barkley is the northern end of the Cumberland River. It is in Kentucky
just south of where the Cumberland River goes into the Ohio River. The
Lodge and airport is just about 20 miles from my home. If anyone decides to
come there please let me know on this list or by e-mail
Ron Payne
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| From: | "Ron or Mary" <ronormar(at)apex.net> |
If anyone is considering a flyin site in West Kentucky, might I suggest the
Kentucky Dam Airport. It is located at the northern end of Kentucky Lake
just at the western end of Kentucky Dam. It is about 15-20 miles to Paducah
Ky that has all facilities. There are motels around the airport but due to
a bass fishing tournament the week end of Sept 28, no rooms would be
available closer than Paducah where plenty of rooms should be available.
The areas around Lake Barkley airport and Ky Dam airport are dry areas, but
Paducah is a wet area so many good restaurants there. Camping is permitted
for a fee of around $8.00. Check it out at http://www.kystateparks
com/kydam2.htm
I live about 8 miles from Ky Dam. The lakes are a beautiful area to fly
over. If anyone decides to come here or go to Barkley, let me know.
Ron Payne
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| From: | SGreenpg(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron counter weights |
Tim,
I have a M3 with a 582 and I first flew mine without the counter weights and
got some flutter at about 70 knots. I installed counter weights, but only
about 75% static balance, and have had the plane up to 85 knots with no hint
of flutter.
Steven Green
Mark III 125 hrs.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com> |
Yes, yes, yes.
Kip
Firestar II
Atlanta
http://www.springeraviation.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: <cajwoods(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Idea?
>
> Hey guys,
> Maybe could talk the owners of Etowah Bend airstrip in Cartersville Ga.
into
> letting us meet there iffin the Kolb folks don't have any GUTS! If any
> interest, I will give it a shot to organise it within a weeks notice. Let
me
> know with lots of e-mail. Don't know the exact coordinates right now but
if
> you punch VPC (Cartersville Ga.), is within 12 miles from it. If enough
> interest, I will post exact coordinates.
> Bill Woods
> 912S Slingshot
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
> To: "Kolb-List"
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:23 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Idea?
>
>
> >
> > I've read about some of the KR guys having Gatherings at Lake Barkley,
> Tenn.
> > Pictures look like a really nice place, with camping facilities and
> > everything. Any Volunteers know much about it? Just throwing out
> ideas...
> >
> > Jeremy Casey
> > jrcasey(at)ldl.net
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | SGreenpg(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Kolb Fly-in at Chesnut Knolls Airpark |
Hey Gang,
Just got off the phone with Bruce Chesnut and he said the airpark would be
open and we were all welcome to fly-in there and camp. There just won't be
the tents and seminars and the big barbecue. With restrictions on VFR still
iffy it would be a big financial risk for them to have all the food and tents
etc. and the only Kolbs that could fly in would be those that are IFR
equipped.
I vote we all still meet at the Kolb factory as planned.
Steven Green
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Fly-in at Chesnut Knolls Airpark |
I second the motion. I didn't care about the seminars anyway, (my airplane
is done) I just wanted to see the other airplanes and meet the listers. As
far as the bar-b-que; that was great but they could always see if a local
food vendor wants to come and peddle hamburgers, that way there is no
finiancial risk to Kolb, and we can at least get food. Now as long as they
can still afford to spring for the PortaCan...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>Hey Gang,
>
>Just got off the phone with Bruce Chesnut and he said the airpark would be
>open and we were all welcome to fly-in there and camp. There just won't be
>the tents and seminars and the big barbecue. With restrictions on VFR still
>iffy it would be a big financial risk for them to have all the food and tents
>etc. and the only Kolbs that could fly in would be those that are IFR
>equipped.
>
>I vote we all still meet at the Kolb factory as planned.
>
>Steven Green
>
>
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| From: | "Ron or Mary" <ronormar(at)apex.net> |
The web site for the Ky Dam State Pary should have been
http://www.kystateparks.com/kydam2.htm
It got seperated into two lines on my first post.
Ron Payne
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| From: | charles webster <caw(at)nctc.com> |
well i wanted to attend the kolb flyin to see about a new kolb can't do that in
cartersville
cajwoods(at)mindspring.com wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
> Maybe could talk the owners of Etowah Bend airstrip in Cartersville Ga. into
> letting us meet there iffin the Kolb folks don't have any GUTS! If any
> interest, I will give it a shot to organise it within a weeks notice. Let me
> know with lots of e-mail. Don't know the exact coordinates right now but if
> you punch VPC (Cartersville Ga.), is within 12 miles from it. If enough
> interest, I will post exact coordinates.
> Bill Woods
> 912S Slingshot
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net>
> To: "Kolb-List"
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 5:23 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Idea?
>
> >
> > I've read about some of the KR guys having Gatherings at Lake Barkley,
> Tenn.
> > Pictures look like a really nice place, with camping facilities and
> > everything. Any Volunteers know much about it? Just throwing out
> ideas...
> >
> > Jeremy Casey
> > jrcasey(at)ldl.net
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
Tony and Gang:
Thanks for the offer, but killing ain't the answer. Tried
that for about 6 months and the end result was I killed a
lot of rats, cats, coons, etc. But the rats multiply so
fast, they just kept coming back. I think the answer is
repellent. Most of the commercial stuff uses naphthalene
(moth balls). My mistake was not putting them inside the
airplane. Will try that and see what the outcome is.
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Alexander <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Gang:
>
> Went over to Gantt International Airport yesterday to clean
> up my MK III in prep for our local EAA Chap 822 Flyin at
> Wetumpka Airport this morning. Cranked the 912S to taxi up
> to the well house to wash the airplane. Oil pressure gauge
> maxed out, alternator not charging, radio had no power.
> Shut down and started investigating. Mr. Rat and his gang
> have returned in the last 12 days.
<<>>
John et al;
A number of a/c at our rural field had similar problems.
The ones, most affected, were those whose tail sat on the
ground when parked... Tail draggers, and trikes with large
booms (Titans and S12s). Most remedies (traps, moth balls,
and a stray cat or two) were only moderately effective.
Since those whose tail didn't sit on the ground (Weedhopper,
TBT06, GAs,), weren't being attacked, the conclusion was
that the critters were climbing up the tail wheel/skid. All
started parking the tails up on 5 gallon plastic buckets and
infiltration by gnarly toothed terrorists has stopped.
George Alexander
Original Firestar
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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| From: | "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net> |
john
I sure hope you find som ething to keep them outa your hanger. I worry some
day they will do just enough damge to a wire that they take you down after
takeoff. this country now has a no terrorist policy so take them out!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)iname.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron counter weights |
Some on the list have experimented with spades. How are these working
out and what is the angular position compared to the wing. My Mk x project
will be ready for paint next week. Then only a short time untill it is
airborne and I can see if my new airfoil works.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Swiderski" <swiderskir(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:#rd Class Medical ?'s |
Kolbsters,
I got a crazy notion last week & decided to get legal, ie, get my pilots
license & N# my SlingShot, my guess is that the Sport Pilot Certificate got
buried under the rubble of the World Trade Center. Being in excellent
health, I thought I'd have no problem getting the 3rd class medical. I
answered all the questions truthfully & listed that I was taking a
prescription medication every day as a prevention for migraine headaches
which have been waking me up in the middle of the night. After I turned the
form in the Dr. informs me that he can not pass me because of the medication
I listed.
I told him it has no effects on any vital signs, levels of alertness,
dissiness, or reflexes. He said it doesn't matter, that the FAA denies
medicals to anyone who takes any prescription medication, that there is not
one approved prescription medication listed, period.
Is my Dr. out of touch with reality or is the FAA that archaic?
Can anyone direct me to a FAA head honcho who can verify my Dr's
absolutist perception? Thanks.
Richard Swiderski
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
> The Kolb uses round tubes for the trailing edge of the wing and leading
edge
> of the ailerons vs a flat surface on the Zenith. This would mean that the
> hingless system would only have line contact on both sides. I am afraid
> that the rivets would loosen very quickly. I would stick with the Kolb
> design.
>
> Ron Payne
.016 thick aluminum is not at all stiff. and there will be 2 inches for the
aluminum to flex across. (Zenith only has 3/4 inch) I see your point but
I think it wont be a problem. The Kolb system attaches the three 6" hinges
using around 30 rivets the same way... I could have up to 12 feet of "hinge"
and could use 60 or more rivets if needed. If the 1.5 feet of kolb hinge
doesn't overstress the rivets then 12 feet of hinge spreading the forces out
over all that distance wont overstress the rivets. the bending force across
the aluminum is probably not much more then the friction forces on the
hinges. as far as how many degrees of travel on the kolb versus the Zenith
I will have to check into that, especially since my firestar has flaperons,
but I do have more room for the flexing as well.
I am planing on keeping the plane set up and in a hanger. For travel I
would put the ailerons straight up with some braces to hold them up.
The inboard end has a good pivot point and I would probably add a real pivot
point at the outboard end using the stainless L-hinge idea that others have
used to try to stiffen up the ailerons. If I thought that the system as
designed by Kolb was solid I wouldn't be looking for options, but I don't
think that the Kolb system is very solid, which is why the ailerons flutter
at a fairly low speed. The Kolb is a great plane but I think there is room
for improvement here and there.
Topher
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
Get you a ferret and put it down one of the rat holes around the
hangar. Put a cage at the outlet of the hole and start counting. If
there's rats in there they'll be coming out faster than you can count. My
dad used to do this every so often when to rid rats under his gain bin
years ago. After they caught them they went to the creek for a pleasant
swim. They weren't real quick to come back after that.
jerryb
>
>Tony and Gang:
>
>Thanks for the offer, but killing ain't the answer. Tried
>that for about 6 months and the end result was I killed a
>lot of rats, cats, coons, etc. But the rats multiply so
>fast, they just kept coming back. I think the answer is
>repellent. Most of the commercial stuff uses naphthalene
>(moth balls). My mistake was not putting them inside the
>airplane. Will try that and see what the outcome is.
>
>john h
>
>
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | 3rd Class Medical ?'s |
I don't you or he has it quite right. As I understand there is a list of
medications that will automatically disqualify you. Not all medication
automatically disqualifies you. If the medication your taking in on that
list, the he has to disqualify you. Example: blood pressure
medications. You then have to start the process with the FAA for further
evaluation for approval. Some they approve the use of, some they
don't. It can mean you may have to change to another type which they
allow. They can require tests, EKG's, even tread mill stress test. They
define the medical records and test reports you have to supply and based
upon it will either deny or approval issuance of the medical which may have
a reduced term. We the public have brought this upon our selves. Any time
something goes wrong we criticize the government for not having procedures
to catch and prevent it so now they prefer to error on the safe
side. After WTC were going to see more of this with aviation security
now. So depending upon what your medication is there may be an appeal
process or you may be dead in the road. Your AME should have been able to
advise you options and the process and given you some forms on how to
contact the FAA.
Not to discourage you but anything head related seems to freak them
out. There concerns are if they can't identify the cause anything that may
induce potential seizures, stroke, or hemorrhages. Mantic depression is
another instant bell ringer.
jerryb
>
>
>Kolbsters,
>
> I got a crazy notion last week & decided to get legal, ie, get my pilots
>license & N# my SlingShot, my guess is that the Sport Pilot Certificate got
>buried under the rubble of the World Trade Center. Being in excellent
>health, I thought I'd have no problem getting the 3rd class medical. I
>answered all the questions truthfully & listed that I was taking a
>prescription medication every day as a prevention for migraine headaches
>which have been waking me up in the middle of the night. After I turned the
>form in the Dr. informs me that he can not pass me because of the medication
>I listed.
> I told him it has no effects on any vital signs, levels of alertness,
>dissiness, or reflexes. He said it doesn't matter, that the FAA denies
>medicals to anyone who takes any prescription medication, that there is not
>one approved prescription medication listed, period.
> Is my Dr. out of touch with reality or is the FAA that archaic?
> Can anyone direct me to a FAA head honcho who can verify my Dr's
>absolutist perception? Thanks.
>
>Richard Swiderski
>
>
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| From: | "Ron or Mary" <ronormar(at)apex.net> |
| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:#rd Class Medical ?'s |
I think your Dr. is out of touch. I take Cozaar for blood pressure control.
When I took my 3rd class physical, I had a copy of an EKG that I had taken.
My Dr. sent that copy along with the form stating that I took this
prescription drug. He went ahead and issued my medical to me. In about 6
months I got a notice from the FAA that this drug was approved and I was
approved. I have heard of diabetics being issued 3rd class medicals while
on insulin with the approval of the FAA. Anyone that thinks that no airline
pilots, that have first class medicals take any prescription drugs is just
dreaming. I know a dr here that has had two heart attacks. He can get a
third class medical by going through a stress test every 6 months. He is
also on heart medication.
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, September 22, 2001 14:22:56
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:#rd Class Medical ?'s
net>
Kolbsters,
I got a crazy notion last week & decided to get legal, ie, get my pilots
license & N# my SlingShot, my guess is that the Sport Pilot Certificate got
buried under the rubble of the World Trade Center. Being in excellent
health, I thought I'd have no problem getting the 3rd class medical. I
answered all the questions truthfully & listed that I was taking a
prescription medication every day as a prevention for migraine headaches
which have been waking me up in the middle of the night. After I turned the
form in the Dr. informs me that he can not pass me because of the medication
I listed.
I told him it has no effects on any vital signs, levels of alertness,
dissiness, or reflexes. He said it doesn't matter, that the FAA denies
medicals to anyone who takes any prescription medication, that there is not
one approved prescription medication listed, period.
Is my Dr. out of touch with reality or is the FAA that archaic?
Can anyone direct me to a FAA head honcho who can verify my Dr's
absolutist perception? Thanks.
Richard Swiderski
_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | List: hingless aileron/gap seal |
Before we put panic in everyone's head, if I recall right the only model
which exhibited "potential flutter" existing on the Mk-III and it was
detected by the factory during high speed test.. They concluded it was
attributed to aileron balance thus counter balances were added to eliminate
any potential tenancy. Dennis really is the person that needs to comment
on this which I know he has in the past. You may find it by searching the
Archives.
Topher -
I'm concerned with your generalized statement below as if flutter was
appearing on every model Kolb. Perhaps you should be more specific by
referring to the model in question. Also is it possible your confused as
what flutter is and are miss using the term to describe another characteristic.
While I am not an authority on Kolbs, I been around a while and know of no
flutter reports on any models other than Kolbs MK-III which was detected
during high speed testing conducted by the factory. As stated above it was
attributed by control balance and corrected any potential by adding counter
weights. This is a proper aircraft design technique used in the aircraft
industry. It's your airplane but I think your making a big stink over
something that's not an established problem so long as you build it to the
plans. When you start adding your own untested and unproven mods, you
increase your own risk plus you and any passengers become continued the
test pilots. By deviating from the builders plans by incorporating a major
modification you propose, it would scare me away as a potential buyer if
you were ever to come to sell the airplane. My advise is stick to the
plans - there time tested and proven.
jerryb
>snip....
>The inboard end has a good pivot point and I would probably add a real pivot
>point at the outboard end using the stainless L-hinge idea that others have
>used to try to stiffen up the ailerons. If I thought that the system as
>designed by Kolb was solid I wouldn't be looking for options, but I don't
>think that the Kolb system is very solid, which is why the ailerons flutter
>at a fairly low speed. The Kolb is a great plane but I think there is room
>for improvement here and there.
>
>Topher
>
>
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Trapped by Class B |
Went to our association owned airport we fly out of this morning. They
have replaced the tables and saw horses with signs having VFR in black
within a red circle and diagonal stripe across it. Last weekend my hangar
mate was grumpy cause he couldn't fly. Don't even want to talk to him this
weekend. Everything big in Texas so I thinking of ways to turn the FireFly
into a big wind vane and sell it some rich Texan as a Texas size yard
ornament. Interesting to note this Sport airport has well over a hundred
hangars with many owned by well off people, lots of airplanes with many
still grounded.
jerryb
>
>Yes. Watching your aileron flutter is very disconcerting. And bad for your
>wing, too.
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> >
> >List,
> >
> >I am just about finished building my Mark III.
> >It is painted and the 582 and instruments are
> >in place. My Q is do I really need the aileron
> >counter weights,, they sure do weigh a bit.
> >I am ready to cut the fabric from the end of the tube
> >but thought I would get your advice first.
> >Thanks all for the good posts on here.
> >I sure wish we could send pics. with the posts
> >like all the other chat lists but this one is bannerless.
> >
> >Our Best
> >
> >Tim & Cindy Townsend
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | charles webster <caw(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trapped by Class B |
fold your wings up put on a trailer and carry outside the class b airspace and
fly fly fly
jerryb wrote:
>
> Went to our association owned airport we fly out of this morning. They
> have replaced the tables and saw horses with signs having VFR in black
> within a red circle and diagonal stripe across it. Last weekend my hangar
> mate was grumpy cause he couldn't fly. Don't even want to talk to him this
> weekend. Everything big in Texas so I thinking of ways to turn the FireFly
> into a big wind vane and sell it some rich Texan as a Texas size yard
> ornament. Interesting to note this Sport airport has well over a hundred
> hangars with many owned by well off people, lots of airplanes with many
> still grounded.
> jerryb
>
> >
> >Yes. Watching your aileron flutter is very disconcerting. And bad for your
> >wing, too.
> >Richard Pike
> >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> >
> > >
> > >List,
> > >
> > >I am just about finished building my Mark III.
> > >It is painted and the 582 and instruments are
> > >in place. My Q is do I really need the aileron
> > >counter weights,, they sure do weigh a bit.
> > >I am ready to cut the fabric from the end of the tube
> > >but thought I would get your advice first.
> > >Thanks all for the good posts on here.
> > >I sure wish we could send pics. with the posts
> > >like all the other chat lists but this one is bannerless.
> > >
> > >Our Best
> > >
> > >Tim & Cindy Townsend
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
Don't worry about the naysayers Topher, a bunch of 'em pitched a fit when I
reduced the aileron throw on my MKIII to reduce control stick pressure,
said it wouldn't have enough control authority, tinkering with Homer's
designs was heresy, etc. It works great. Every time I get to fly a stock
MKIII, (truck ailerons) I nod and grin. No way I would go back.
This winter I plan to change my cockpit and door shape.(GASP! MORE APOSTASY)
Keep us posted. When (not if) the gap seal on my MKIII gives up the ghost,
I might want to try the hingeless hinge too.
Just be careful.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>Tophera(at)centurytel.net>
>
>.016 thick aluminum is not at all stiff. and there will be 2 inches for the
>aluminum to flex across. (Zenith only has 3/4 inch) I see your point but
>I think it wont be a problem. The Kolb system attaches the three 6" hinges
>using around 30 rivets the same way... I could have up to 12 feet of "hinge"
>and could use 60 or more rivets if needed. If the 1.5 feet of kolb hinge
>doesn't overstress the rivets then 12 feet of hinge spreading the forces out
>over all that distance wont overstress the rivets. the bending force across
>the aluminum is probably not much more then the friction forces on the
>hinges. as far as how many degrees of travel on the kolb versus the Zenith
>I will have to check into that, especially since my firestar has flaperons,
>but I do have more room for the flexing as well.
>
>I am planing on keeping the plane set up and in a hanger. For travel I
>would put the ailerons straight up with some braces to hold them up.
>
>The inboard end has a good pivot point and I would probably add a real pivot
>point at the outboard end using the stainless L-hinge idea that others have
>used to try to stiffen up the ailerons. If I thought that the system as
>designed by Kolb was solid I wouldn't be looking for options, but I don't
>think that the Kolb system is very solid, which is why the ailerons flutter
>at a fairly low speed. The Kolb is a great plane but I think there is room
>for improvement here and there.
>
>Topher
>
>
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
If we can pursuade Kolb to put out a Porta Potty and talk someone into
selling basics foodstuffs to the point that a fly in at Chestnut Knolls is
feasable, there is a nearby airport that might be worth checking out.
Middlesboro, Ky (1A6) is home to the restoration facility that is putting
together the P-38 that was dug out of the Greenland icecap in 1992. They
have got it to the point of running it up, plan to taxi test it during the
Middlesboro fly in the following weekend (Oct 6-7), so if you get anywhere
close, it is worth a look-see. Free admission, donations accepted, cameras
welcome. Check it out at
http://thelostsquadron.com
Richard Pike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb Gearheart <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Fly-in at Chesnut Knolls Airpark |
Hi Gang
I am game. I live only 2 hours away. Sat the 29th?? Herb
SGreenpg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Hey Gang,
>
> Just got off the phone with Bruce Chesnut and he said the airpark would be
> open and we were all welcome to fly-in there and camp. There just won't be
> the tents and seminars and the big barbecue. With restrictions on VFR still
> iffy it would be a big financial risk for them to have all the food and tents
> etc. and the only Kolbs that could fly in would be those that are IFR
> equipped.
>
> I vote we all still meet at the Kolb factory as planned.
>
> Steven Green
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)iname.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
A lot of Zenair 601 builders opt for the standard hinge system. The
flex plate is very stiff. Something to consider on the mk 111. Another
concern is the one pivot bolt on the root end of the aileron. Do you cut it
off or do you run the hinge from top or the wing tube to bottom of aileron
tube so that the center of the hinge plate is at the center of this bolt.
Folding would be no problem and perhaps would be better because the
ailerons would not be flopping around as you fold and transport it.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)iname.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
>, tinkering with Homer's
>designs was heresy, etc.
Ha!!! wait untill you see my modifications to Homers designs. If it
doesn't kill me I will be burned at the stake. Just can't win.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
> Sorry John, rats are excellent swimmers.
>
> Tom Kuffel
Tom and Gang:
Well......... I went by Wal*Mart Super Center this
afternoon and bought a big baking pan. The cheap thin
aluminum throw away type. I am going to put a couple bricks
in the center of it as an island to place the tailwheel.
Then fill it up with water that has been laced with a couple
bottle of Tabasco or some other pepper sauce that is even
hotter. If that doesn't work, I will mix up a potent
formula of water and pepper sauce and spray it around the
dirt floor of my hanger, encircling the airplane. Sorta
like a mine field. I will not give up until I whip this
problem. All suggestions and experiences welcomed. This
problem is devestating to the builder/flyer.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ul15rhb(at)juno.com |
writes:
>
>
> Tom and Gang:
>
> I am going to put a couple bricks
> in the center of it as an island to place the tailwheel.
> Then fill it up with water that has been laced with a couple
> bottle of Tabasco or some other pepper sauce that is even
> hotter. If that doesn't work, I will mix up a potent
> formula of water and pepper sauce and spray it around the
> dirt floor of my hanger, encircling the airplane. Sorta
> like a mine field. I will not give up until I whip this
> problem. All suggestions and experiences welcomed. This
> problem is devestating to the builder/flyer.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
John,
You might try some carburetor cleaner in that pan. I had trouble once
with rodents feasting on the electrical wires of my car. The only thing I
had was the carb cleaner so I spread it around and they never came back.
Ralph B.
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| From: | "Randy Berry" <sc_bassman(at)hotmail.com> |
How about suspending the tail boom with a rope or chain from an overhanging beam?
Or even better, how about some sort of cap or seal on the end of the boom tube?
Also, have you tried some good old fashioned rat traps on the critters??
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Terrorists
> Sorry John, rats are excellent swimmers.
>
> Tom Kuffel
Tom and Gang:
Well......... I went by Wal*Mart Super Center this
afternoon and bought a big baking pan. The cheap thin
aluminum throw away type. I am going to put a couple bricks
in the center of it as an island to place the tailwheel.
Then fill it up with water that has been laced with a couple
bottle of Tabasco or some other pepper sauce that is even
hotter. If that doesn't work, I will mix up a potent
formula of water and pepper sauce and spray it around the
dirt floor of my hanger, encircling the airplane. Sorta
like a mine field. I will not give up until I whip this
problem. All suggestions and experiences welcomed. This
problem is devestating to the builder/flyer.
Take care,
john h
=
=
=
=
=
=
r download : http://explorer.msn.com
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
Richard and Gang:
Thanks for the idea.
Instead of water and pepper sauce, I will use diesel fuel.
Might not hurt, except the EPA, to sprinkle a little diesel
fuel around the baking pan as a defensive perimeter for it.
I know I don't like to walk in spilt diesel fuel. Maybe the
rats won't like it either.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
> Try Chlorox in the pan.
>
> bn
Bob and Gang:
I like that one even better than diesel fuel.
What effect does Chlorox have on aluminum? Not only the pan
but the aircraft alum in the general vicinity?
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
Randy and Gang:
I tried the erradication thing, but there are just too many
of them to stay ahead of the game. I believe repelling them
is a better solution, if I can get the right combination to
keep the SOB's repelled.
For your info, this afternoon when I went by to check on
things, I found a big rat's tail on one sticky board and the
other sticky board covered with rat fur. I had taken one of
those sticky board mouse traps apart, tucked the loose ends
under the tailwheel to anchor and place the sticky part in
their avenue of approach. Got the little bast-----ds.
Well, I parts of them. I may have done more harm to them
had I not anchored them down. Then when he got his little
stinking paw stuck, it would stay with him as he tried to
extricate himself and escape. :-)
Thanks for the suggestions everbody. We are gonna whip this
thing.
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: List: hingless aileron/gap seal |
> Before we put panic in everyone's head, if I recall right the only model
> which exhibited "potential flutter" existing on the Mk-III and it was
> detected by the factory during high speed test.. They concluded it was
> attributed to aileron balance thus counter balances were added to
eliminate
> any potential tenancy. Dennis really is the person that needs to comment
> on this which I know he has in the past. You may find it by searching the
> Archives.
>
> Topher -
> I'm concerned with your generalized statement below as if flutter was
> appearing on every model Kolb. Perhaps you should be more specific by
> referring to the model in question. Also is it possible your confused as
> what flutter is and are miss using the term to describe another
characteristic.
I'm pretty clear on what flutter is, having been an aerospace engineer for
15 years. I have done flutter flight testing at Edwards Air Force Base on
the F-16 ( which will flutter at very high speed lightly loaded or as slow
as below Mach 1 with a heavy asymmetrical load. giving more detail then
that would be a violation of national security...I could tell you but then I
would have to kill you).
My Firestar II kit came with the aileron counter balances because the
factory recommended them on this plane to avoid any possibility of flutter.
Mass balancing a control surface is a good way to increase flutter speed.
stiffening the hinge structure to the ailerons and eliminating freeplay in
the control linkage to them is also a good way to increase flutter speed.
The Kolbs have a great track record. The Kolb aileron hinge system is just
not as sturdy as some I have seen, overhanging 2 inches on a single plane is
never going to be all that sturdy. Lots of others have come up with ways to
stiffen up the hinge, using the elevator L-hinges, using doubled hinges that
form an X ( a real good Idea as well) and the Zenair Idea looks good to me.
Yes If I go with It I will have to be my own flight tester, but that is true
of any kitplane, no matter if you follow the plans or not. Thanks for the
great input. If trying to come up with Ideas to improve an already great
plane puts anybody in a panic, I am terribly sorry. all planes will flutter
if you go fast enough. The mark III without balanced ailerons might flutter
around 85-90 from what I hear. The firestar II's might be in the same ball
park, which is easily obtained in a fairly shallow dive, Vne is 90 so I will
not be going into the potential flutter range much. with the balances I
don't think you would get into flutter at any obtainable speed, let alone at
Vne. But the hinge is still a little sloppy for my taste.
Topher
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
> A lot of Zenair 601 builders opt for the standard hinge system. The
> flex plate is very stiff. Something to consider on the mk 111. Another
> concern is the one pivot bolt on the root end of the aileron. Do you cut
it
> off or do you run the hinge from top or the wing tube to bottom of aileron
> tube so that the center of the hinge plate is at the center of this bolt.
> Folding would be no problem and perhaps would be better because the
> ailerons would not be flopping around as you fold and transport it.
Stiff is the whole Idea... of course too stiff would be a pain. sounds like
some experimenting is in order. On my FSII the hinge line is directly along
the tangent line on the bottom of the two tubes, including the inboard bolt.
Not sure the situation on the MkIII. I would definitely have the aluminum
flex plate in line with the bend line imposed by the inboard bolt, and would
not consider eliminating the bolt.
Cant wait to see you and your Custom Kolb at a Fly in one of these years.
Topher
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
The clorox will evaporate fairly quickly. Oil or diesel would probably work
longer, but unless it's a real long jump, they'll just leap over it. Years
ago in Idaho, I built a mouse trap with a 5 gal plastic bucket. They'd run
up an angled stick, jump onto a baited drum, and roll off into the bucket.
Made a good (fantastic ! ! !) live trap, and water was optional. They can
only swim so long................. Anyway, those little woods mice could
jump about 2/3 of the height of the bucket. Amazing little buggers. If I
remember right, John, seems to me your problems were with squirrels, which
I'm sure can way out-jump a mouse............in which case, you'd have to
have a huge pan full of ..........??? Weren't you going to try making a
plug for the end of the tail tube, with slots for the cables ?? Seems like
that might've been a problem, but how about making a removable barrier out
of aluminum or wire mesh, that you could remove before flight. An extra
step, I know, but looks like you're going to be taking extra steps whatever
you do. Keep us posted.............looks like you really caught everyones'
imagination with this one.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, Ca.
Kolb Mk III - " Vamoose"
http://www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Terrorists
>
> Richard and Gang:
>
> Thanks for the idea.
>
> Instead of water and pepper sauce, I will use diesel fuel.
> Might not hurt, except the EPA, to sprinkle a little diesel
> fuel around the baking pan as a defensive perimeter for it.
> I know I don't like to walk in spilt diesel fuel. Maybe the
> rats won't like it either.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
John,
Try placing several of those sticky type rat traps around your tail
wheel. Those thing will stop just about anything.
Ed Diebel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
John,
Wal Mart has sold the sticky boards in the past at a reasonable price.
jerryb
>
>Randy and Gang:
>
>I tried the erradication thing, but there are just too many
>of them to stay ahead of the game. I believe repelling them
>is a better solution, if I can get the right combination to
>keep the SOB's repelled.
>
>For your info, this afternoon when I went by to check on
>things, I found a big rat's tail on one sticky board and the
>other sticky board covered with rat fur. I had taken one of
>those sticky board mouse traps apart, tucked the loose ends
>under the tailwheel to anchor and place the sticky part in
>their avenue of approach. Got the little bast-----ds.
>Well, I parts of them. I may have done more harm to them
>had I not anchored them down. Then when he got his little
>stinking paw stuck, it would stay with him as he tried to
>extricate himself and escape. :-)
>
>Thanks for the suggestions everbody. We are gonna whip this
>thing.
>
>john h
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: List: hingless aileron/gap seal |
Well said.
jerryb
snip...
>I'm pretty clear on what flutter is, having been an aerospace engineer for
>15 years. I have done flutter flight testing at Edwards Air Force Base on
>the F-16 ( which will flutter at very high speed lightly loaded or as slow
>as below Mach 1 with a heavy asymmetrical load. giving more detail then
>that would be a violation of national security...I could tell you but then I
>would have to kill you).
>
>My Firestar II kit came with the aileron counter balances because the
>factory recommended them on this plane to avoid any possibility of flutter.
>Mass balancing a control surface is a good way to increase flutter speed.
>stiffening the hinge structure to the ailerons and eliminating freeplay in
>the control linkage to them is also a good way to increase flutter speed.
>
>The Kolbs have a great track record. The Kolb aileron hinge system is just
>not as sturdy as some I have seen, overhanging 2 inches on a single plane is
>never going to be all that sturdy. Lots of others have come up with ways to
>stiffen up the hinge, using the elevator L-hinges, using doubled hinges that
>form an X ( a real good Idea as well) and the Zenair Idea looks good to me.
>Yes If I go with It I will have to be my own flight tester, but that is true
>of any kitplane, no matter if you follow the plans or not. Thanks for the
>great input. If trying to come up with Ideas to improve an already great
>plane puts anybody in a panic, I am terribly sorry. all planes will flutter
>if you go fast enough. The mark III without balanced ailerons might flutter
>around 85-90 from what I hear. The firestar II's might be in the same ball
>park, which is easily obtained in a fairly shallow dive, Vne is 90 so I will
>not be going into the potential flutter range much. with the balances I
>don't think you would get into flutter at any obtainable speed, let alone at
>Vne. But the hinge is still a little sloppy for my taste.
>
>Topher
>
>
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
What about an electric fence charger, and low fence surrounding the
airplane? Make it to where it would flop down in front to get the airplane
in and out. Been sitting here thinking it out, and I think I know how to
make it. Be a pain to make, but at least it would be a one time thing.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
Morning Gang:
Thanks to all for their help in my fight to solve the rat
problem. I'm getting ready to go over to the airstrip and
see what has happened since I was over there yesterday
afternoon.
After removing the nest they had spent building for a couple
weeks, they immediately began rebuilding. I have to get
that stuff out of there and continue my fight to prevent
them from getting into the airplane. I have some steel wool
to stuff in the tailboom, aileron bell crank holes, and
anyplace else I can find that rats might use for access to
the inside of the airplane.
Then I will begin repairing wiring and replace the static
pressure tube the rats cut in two places. Last Spring they
cut through the nylon brake line full of brake fluid. Was
cut all the way through, brake fluid and all. These guys
are tough.
Times flying and I need to get ready to fly to London, KY.
How about the rest of you guys? Are you all still going to
go to Chesnut Knolls Air Foundation next weekend? If I am
going to be the only one there, maybe I better stay home
too. :-)
Take care,
john h
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| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey(at)ldl.net> |
| Subject: | Well time to make a call... |
Well the most static I've heard seems to be to go to Chesnut Knolls anyway
and just have a laid-back kind of UN-organized fly-in...Personally I like
those best...flying is all about freedom, and schedules are NOT about
freedom...my $.02 worth. Anyway, as far as food is concerned, they have a
Little Caesars in London, don't they ;-)
How about a new head count for the "new and improved" fly-in at Chesnut
Knolls?
I'll take time to add it up if ya'll want to drop me a note again at
jrcasey(at)ldl.net
Jeremy Casey
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
Morning Gang:
I have shared my experiences with aileron flutter with the
Kolb List in the past. Probably still in the archives.
Here is what I wrote about aileron flutter and
counterbalance weights 24 Aug 1999:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=15813386?KEYS=flutter?LISTNAME=Kolb?HITNUMBER=83?SERIAL=06521526029?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
If the above url does not work, I will copy the posts and
forward to the List.
I did a search in the Kolb List Archives and came up with
150 posts on "flutter".
Take care,
john h
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Well time to make a call... |
> How about a new head count for the "new and improved" fly-in at Chesnut
> Knolls?
>
> I'll take time to add it up if ya'll want to drop me a note again at
> jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
> Jeremy Casey
Jeremy old buddy and Gang:
I reckon you and I can have a flyin at Chesnut Knolls if no
one else shows up. :-)
It would be nice if the kind folks at Kolb would provide us
with some transportation to town for chow and supplies. I
have a feeling they do not monitor the Kolb Builders List
anymore, so maybe you could check with them to see if
transportation, a beat up pickup truck or something, could
be made available to get us to supper.
I have some MRE's left over from my last two flights north.
Plan to have enough to make it through the weekend. I'll
bring a pack stove for those that want to warm something up
to eat. If Kolb would make the kitchen in the office
available to us, then we would have a kitchen stove, micro
wave, etc. Would also be nice to have access to the
bathrooms for obvious reasons, especially showers.
Roughing it a couple days won't hurt me. I have been there
and done that. I look forward to seeing you all once again.
Take care,
john h
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| From: | Herb Gearheart <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Well time to make a call... |
Herb will be there--creeks don't rise.
Jeremy Casey wrote:
>
> Well the most static I've heard seems to be to go to Chesnut Knolls anyway
> and just have a laid-back kind of UN-organized fly-in...Personally I like
> those best...flying is all about freedom, and schedules are NOT about
> freedom...my $.02 worth. Anyway, as far as food is concerned, they have a
> Little Caesars in London, don't they ;-)
>
> How about a new head count for the "new and improved" fly-in at Chesnut
> Knolls?
>
> I'll take time to add it up if ya'll want to drop me a note again at
> jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
> Jeremy Casey
>
>
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| Subject: | aileron flutter and yaw oscillation |
| From: | ul15rhb(at)juno.com |
Guys,
I do not have counter balance on my Original Firestar and have had it up
to 85 mph at times. I built per plans but made the wing ribs in line with
the aileron ribs.
There is a condition I believe all Kolbs are susceptible to, and that is
"yaw oscillation" which is a slow type of flutter. This is due to the
long fuse tube coupled with the inertia in the wings and an open rudder
input. I've been in this condition once when flying over a power plant
smokestack. The manmade thermal energy hit the rudder and triggered the
oscillation. I was flying without my feet on the rudder pedals at the
time and the plane began to yaw back and forth in a slow oscillation from
about 45 to 45 deg. The only way to stop it was to pull up into a stall
and let it go over. This was a very unusual situation (like the bird
strike a few weeks ago) and will never happen again if I stay away from
smokestacks and wake turbulence. I could see this happening again if the
plane was subjected to severe wake turbulence of a large aircraft (watch
those F-16's patrolling the skies).
Ralph Burlingame
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)BCChapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Well time to make a call... |
Good to go here. See ya Saturday.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>Well the most static I've heard seems to be to go to Chesnut Knolls anyway
>and just have a laid-back kind of UN-organized fly-in...Personally I like
>those best...flying is all about freedom, and schedules are NOT about
>freedom...my $.02 worth. Anyway, as far as food is concerned, they have a
>Little Caesars in London, don't they ;-)
>
>How about a new head count for the "new and improved" fly-in at Chesnut
>Knolls?
>
>I'll take time to add it up if ya'll want to drop me a note again at
>jrcasey(at)ldl.net
>
>Jeremy Casey
>
>
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| From: | Woody <duesouth(at)iname.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Well time to make a call... |
The 3 canooks will be there.
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aileron flutter and yaw oscillation |
Hi Gang:
> I do not have counter balance on my Original Firestar and have had it up
> to 85 mph at times.
I have experienced severe flutter will all three of my
Kolbs, Ultrastar, Original Firestar, and MKIII. I also know
for a fact that some of the newer Firestars have experienced
this phenomenon. I believe the heavier the aileron the more
supsectible flutter. I have always poured on the dope and
paint, thus much heavier ailerons than most.
Before I installed counterbalance weights on my MK III, I
changed out rod end bearings about every 25 hours for the
first couple hundred hours. For the flight to Lakeland,
Pennsylvania, and Oshkosh, I installed 1/16" Lexan trim tabs
on both ailerons in an effort to load both equally and
reduce the possibility of flutter. May have helped a tiny
bit.
After I installed factory Firestar counterbalance weights on
the MK III, I flew 1,400 or more hours without touching rod
ends, p/p tubes, or anything else to tighten up the
linkage. Balancing the aileron solved the flutter problem.
Never one little inkling of flutter in all those hours in
all kinds of winds and weather. Oh, I did pull the trim
tabs off the ailerons when I installed the counter balance
weights.
I would not be caught flying without them.
I have flown the old Factory MK III many hours over the
years and never had a hint of flutter. Like I said, some do
and some don't.
> There is a condition I believe all Kolbs are susceptible to, and that is
> "yaw oscillation" which is a slow type of flutter.
Rudder occilations may be caused by prop blast hitting one
side of the vertical stab and rudder than the other. Taking
your feet off the pedals is inviting rudder occilation.
Never had or heard of elevator flutter in a Kolb of any
model, except one. That was an original Twinstar with
adjustable trim on the elevator. Individual lost the trim
tab in flight and the elevator went into flutter, and I
believe tore itself or part of itself from the aircraft.
Don't quote me on that one and I will not swear on a stack
of bibles that it is exactly as it happened.
Topher, I have no problem with the piano hinges on the
ailerons. I have always installed much more hinge than
called for in the plans. I do not think that the hinge
system is the flutter culprit, but the unbalanced mass of
the aileron hanging back their behind the pivot point.
Take care,
john h
PS: My Ultrastar could be flown all day any any condition
with feet on the deck and no sign of occilations. My FS and
MKIII go into it as soon as foot pressure is taken off the
pedals. I helped remedy the problem on the MKIII, cause my
feet got tired on long XCs, by adding two rudder pedal
springs on each pedal. Also, after I finally got the rudder
trimmed up properly, this also reduced the incidence of
rudder fluctuations.
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aileron flutter and yaw oscillation |
> Rudder occilations may be caused by prop blast hitting one
> side of the vertical stab and rudder than the other.
Hey Gang:
The above should have read, "Rudder occilations may be
caused by prop blast hitting one side of the vert stab and
rudder much harder than the other."
Sorry, but I did not proof read before I hit the send
button. :-)
john h
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| From: | "a v" <jajvann(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Part 103 VS Part 91 |
>Andy,
>We were told by Jane Garvey the FAA Administrator that the
NOTAM also
>applied to ultralights.
>Timm Bogenhagen
>EAA Ultralight Programs
>920-426-6527
thanks Timm,
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <erieairpark(at)juno.com>
>Subject: Re: FlyChallenger: Part 103 vehicles
> > Andy, All you need to do is Call 1 800 wx brief. They will
tell you what is going on. Call them every day thats what they are there
for. They have been very nice to me. Jim, at an erie place.
Subject: Re: FlyChallenger: Part 103 vehicles
>Dear Erieairpark(at)juno.com ,
>
>It just ain't that simple. I wish every FAA worker knew what
all the
rules
>were, but that's life. EAA leaders didn't understand the
Notam and called
>Jane Garvey to ask for clarification and were told that the
Notams DID
apply
>to Ultralights. (She was mistaken) Yet, some ATC officials
told pilots
that
>the rule did not mention 103 vehicles and restricted only
part 91
aircraft.
>So you see the confusion...the head of FAA thinks the rule
covers all
>airplanes in the air....EAA publishes that misconception to
include 103
>vehicles.....meanwhile....... The Notams only mention FAR 91
>aircraft.......and some ATC workers tell some UL pilots its OK
to fly
while
>others think it is not OK to fly. Then comes the Notam about
no VFR
>flights....more confusion from everyone including the
misguided UL pilots
>who think they are flying VFR under the 103 rules.....but VFR
rules are
part
>91 rules, not 103 rules.....and then there are those guys
flying light
>weight aircraft and think they are 103 planes.
>
>So to answer your question....because each FAA official might
give you a
>different answer is why I don't ask 800/WX-BRIEF when there is
so much
>confusion already. You are right; they are very nice, but
nice doesn't
>count when they might be mistaken or mislead about the rules.
Don't you
>know when ATC tells you to fly a certain direction, if that
direction put
>you into an illegal situation, then you must tell them you
cannot comply
or
>else be responsible for violation the FAR you violate. They
take no
>responsibility, if you do something illegal, eventhough they
told you to
do
>it. In fact, many ATC controllers as well as weather briefers
are not
>pilots and do not even know the rules the way you should know
them.
>
>The simple matter of fact is the Notams did not restrict 103
planes nor
did
>the NO VFR restrictions apply to part 103 vehicles. Some of
you may not
>understand, but 103 vehicles DO NOT fly VFR. 103 planes have
their own
>weather minimums which dictate how and when we can fly. If
your plane is
>not 100% legal under the 103 regulations, then you shouldn't
fly anyway(
and
>this includes the two place trainers which are legal under the
exemption
>rules to 103).
>
>Hell, I go to a lot of extra expense and time investment to be
a legal UL
>pilot as well as a GA pilot, so I play conservative most of
the time, but
I
>like my freedom and I exercise it where I can and still be
legal. Just
>because some Gov't man tells me that I can't do something that
I know is
>legal, moral and OK to do, doesn't mean I hang my head down
and say "Well,
>if you say it's illegal, then it must be!" when I know the rules, I
>exercise my
rights.....if I'm
>uncertain, then I yield, until I'm more confident.
>
>This past two weeks was a very uncertain time for this country
and as I
>mentioned before, I didn't fly out of respect for the stress
the FAA was
>under; and because I didn't know for sure if they made a
mistake not
>restricting 103 planes or if they deliberately only restricted
part 91
>aircraft. With that much confusion over such a serious
matter.......why
>press the issue? But, if you did fly anyway and got caught;
they can't
do
>anything, since you were legal all that time.
>Andy
>
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| From: | "JOHN M. COOLEY" <johnc(at)datasync.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
> especially since my firestar has flaperons,
>Topher
Hi Gang and Topher,
Would really be interested in hearing the modifications your making in
order to have flaperons on your Firestar II.
Later,
John Cooley
Firestar II
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| From: | "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: aileron flutter and yaw oscillation |
> Topher, I have no problem with the piano hinges on the
> ailerons. I have always installed much more hinge than
> called for in the plans. I do not think that the hinge
> system is the flutter culprit, but the unbalanced mass of
> the aileron hanging back their behind the pivot point.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
if you have always installed much more hinge then the plans called for then
I would say you do have a bit of a problem with the hinges as called out in
the plans. They overhang 2 inches with no support but the rivits. Like I
said before, this is one area on the kolb that seems a tad weak to me, so
just looking at options on how to tighten it up a bit. You installed much
more hinge then called for, maybe that is all I should do. the x-hinge idea
looked pretty good and the L-hinges from the tail look like they would work
grea If it doesnt provide too much resistance I think the hingless idea
might be allright. just looking into it now, as I am about ready to do this
stage of the project.
Topher
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| From: | Audrey Lewis <audreylewis(at)planters.net> |
John H.
You can add antifreeze to the pan the tail wheel rest in. This will really
take them out!!!!
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
Audrey Lewis wrote:
> You can add antifreeze to the pan the tail wheel rest in. This will really
> take them out!!!!
Audrey and Gang:
This is what this List is all about. Two or more heads are
usually better than one. Had not thought of antifreeze.
I checked out the airplane earlier this afternoon. No signs
of rat activity. I put out 8 more sticky traps for the
little buggers. I may have gotten someone's attention with
those when he or she lost their tail. :-)
john h
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| From: | Gdledbetter(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Well time to make a call... |
I would drive in from cincinnati if enough folks come to make it interesting.
Gene Ledbetter
Firefly with 40 hrs
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| From: | Gdledbetter(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Well time to make a call... |
John,
As I mentioned in my earlier message, I'll drive in so transportation to town would
not be a problem.
Gene Ledbetter
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Well time to make a call... |
> As I mentioned in my earlier message, I'll drive in so transportation to town
would not be a problem.
> Gene Ledbetter
Gene and Gang:
Sounds good to me. We are going to have a good flyin
despite all the set backs. I ain't gonna give the
terrorists, two legged and four legged, any satisfaction
that they have changed my life style or outlook on life.
Looking forward to a good flyin at Chesnut Knolls.
john h
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| From: | "Jim Minewiser" <flykolb(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Now I am looking at a Hirth 65HP engine for my Mark III. Could anyone on
the list comment on this?
Jim
Mark III
Charlotte, NC
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| Subject: | Re: aileron flutter and yaw oscillation |
| From: | ul15rhb(at)juno.com |
> I have experienced severe flutter will all three of my
> Kolbs, Ultrastar, Original Firestar, and MKIII. I also know
> for a fact that some of the newer Firestars have experienced
> this phenomenon. I believe the heavier the aileron the more
> supsectible flutter. I have always poured on the dope and
> paint, thus much heavier ailerons than most. JH
John, mine are heavy too with extra dope and paint. The rib alignment of
the wing and aileron may have made the difference. RB
> I have flown the old Factory MK III many hours over the
> years and never had a hint of flutter. Like I said, some do
> and some don't. Rudder occilations may be caused by prop blast hitting
one
> side of the vertical stab and rudder than the other. Taking
> your feet off the pedals is inviting rudder occilation. JH
I shouldn't have used the word "flutter" in this slow rudder oscillation
because it really isn't a flutter and has nothing to do with the prop
blast. Like I said, it's a result of the flexing in the fuselage tube and
the wing inertia coupled with the rudder oscillations. All I can say is
the plane would swing (yaw) back and forth at a rate of maybe once a
second in a very pronounced side to side swing. This happened in 1989 and
never has since that time. If the plane was hit by severe tubulence
again, it might trigger it. RB
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
> Now I am looking at a Hirth 65HP engine for my Mark III. Could anyone on
> the list comment on this?
>
> Jim
Jim and Gang:
Yes.
The Hirth boys will sell you on a Hirth.
The Rotax boys will sell you on a Rotax.
My recommendation is:
a. Do a lot of unbiased research on both engines.
b. Talk to people who own and fly each engine. People who
really fly a lot of hours, if possible. Not someone who
gets an hour every week or so. Somebody who gets out and
puts time on them.
c. Money is a big decision factor, but reliability and
reputation mean a lot more to me. Also service and parts
availability.
I am sure there are other factors to use in making this big
decision. Maybe others on the List can add to it, or take
away from it. :-)
john h
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aileron flutter and yaw oscillation |
> John, mine are heavy too with extra dope and paint. The rib alignment of
> the wing and aileron may have made the difference. RB
May have, but I think the basic problem is unbalanced
ailerons. The fix/prevention of flutter is to balance.
Pretty simple at a cheap price.
> I shouldn't have used the word "flutter" in this slow rudder oscillation
> because it really isn't a flutter and has nothing to do with the prop
> blast.
In the above you say it has nothing to do with rudder
oscillation.
Like I said, it's a result of the flexing in the fuselage
tube and
> the wing inertia coupled with the rudder oscillations.
In the next sentence you say it is couple with the rudder
oscillations. That is what I said. The prop blast being
greater on one side of the rudder than the other is probably
causing the oscillation/flutter. Oscillation to me is the
same a slowwwwwww flutter, or the beginning of the flutter
exercise.
Your airplane may never experience aileron flutter, yet
again it may. I do not think you or anyone else can say it
will or will not with any degree of certainty. I have found
through playing with these Kolbs during the last 17 years
and a good bit of hours, that they may or may not have
certain behavior, that they may display characteristics that
I can not explain. Most all I learn by experience,
discovery and then a way to deal with them or eliminate
them. Our sport is not one to take things for granted
whether we know why they do what they do or not. Some
mistakes must pay gravities price. That price may be
expensive.
john h
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Another Roll of Pics is Up |
Hey Gang:
Roll number 6 is up. These pics were taken at Colville
Village, home of the Helmericks family, and no body else.
Located 48 miles NW of Dead Horse, Alaska, on an island in
the Colville River Delta at the Beaufort Sea (Arctic Ocean).
http://hawk36.home.mindspring.com/Barrow%20Flight%202001/BRW%206/
Boy I wish I could sit down and do all the captions now, but
just got too much other stuff going on.
Take care,
john h
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I didn't read all the mail on this, but what worked on my uncles farm was a
big pail filled up about 1/2 way with water and then put a hole in the top so
they can get in.
once you do that get some wheat or anything they would eat that floats, put
enough of that stuff in so it looks like there is no water there.
they get in, can't get out and drown.
mark
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| From: | "Jim Minewiser" <flykolb(at)carolina.rr.com> |
John,
Thanks for your reply. I am looking at an engine a friend of mine has. It
was on his Rans. The crankshaft broke and he sent it back to Hirth who
completely rebuilt it. He is asking $2000 for it which sounds good to me.
But since I do not know anything about the reliability or the other factors
you mentioned, I am asking others on the Kolb list who may have some
insight.
Can you add any to your previous comments?
Jim
Mark III
Charlotte, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <hawk36(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: engines
>
>
> > Now I am looking at a Hirth 65HP engine for my Mark III. Could anyone on
> > the list comment on this?
> >
> > Jim
>
>
> Jim and Gang:
>
> Yes.
>
> The Hirth boys will sell you on a Hirth.
>
> The Rotax boys will sell you on a Rotax.
>
> My recommendation is:
>
> a. Do a lot of unbiased research on both engines.
>
> b. Talk to people who own and fly each engine. People who
> really fly a lot of hours, if possible. Not someone who
> gets an hour every week or so. Somebody who gets out and
> puts time on them.
>
> c. Money is a big decision factor, but reliability and
> reputation mean a lot more to me. Also service and parts
> availability.
>
> I am sure there are other factors to use in making this big
> decision. Maybe others on the List can add to it, or take
> away from it. :-)
>
> john h
>
>
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| From: | b young <byoung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 50 Msgs - 09/22/01 |
<<<<<<.016 thick aluminum is not at all stiff. and there
will be 2 inches for the
aluminum to flex across. (Zenith only has 3/4 inch) I
see your point but
I think it wont be a problem. The Kolb system attaches the
three 6" hinges
using around 30 rivets the same way... I could have up to 12
feet of "hinge"
and could use 60 or more rivets if needed. If the 1.5 feet
of kolb hinge
doesn't overstress the rivets then 12 feet of hinge
spreading the forces out
over all that distance wont overstress the rivets. the
bending force across
the aluminum is probably not much more then the friction
forces on the
hinges. as far as how many degrees of travel on the kolb
versus the Zenith
I will have to check into that, especially since my firestar
has flaperons,
but I do have more room for the flexing as well.
topher>>>>>>
when up in wahington i visited with a gentelman who was in
the process of installing a full legnth hinge. he
mentioned that it was a bit pricy but would take care of the
gap seal and give full range of motion.
just a thought
boyd
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| From: | Possum <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Well time to make a call... |
>
>Jeremy,
>Woods brothers is still a go. Talked to John Russell, I think he is calling
>it off. Don't know about Jack Day or Possum. I'll try to find out.
>
>Bill Woods
>912S Slingshot
Let's go!
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| From: | Possum <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
Does anyone know if "Warp Drive" has a web site.
Can't find it if they do.
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| From: | John Hauck <hawk36(at)mindspring.com> |
> Does anyone know if "Warp Drive" has a web site.
> Can't find it if they do.
Possum and Gang:
Warp Drive has no web site or email. Darrel does it all at
his toll free number. I talked to him about that and they
are running the business the way they want to. Works for
me.
john h
PS: Tell John Russell to get off his butt and get ready to
fly to Kentucky.
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In a message dated 9/23/01 7:47:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
flykolb(at)carolina.rr.com writes:
> The crankshaft broke and he sent it back to Hirth .....
>
Jim, Jim, Jim...
Shack
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| From: | ul15rhb(at)juno.com |
> In the next sentence you say it is couple with the rudder
> oscillations. That is what I said. The prop blast being
> greater on one side of the rudder than the other is probably
> causing the oscillation/flutter. Oscillation to me is the
> same a slowwwwwww flutter, or the beginning of the flutter
> exercise.
> john h
John, I'm not sure if I'm explaining it right, but the whole plane is in
a very slow oscillation as if a pilot were to step full rudder then
opposite rudder and it's happening without ANY rudder input whatsoever.
As I said earlier, it's due to the long fuselage tube that is flexing.
The oscillation is about 1 cycle per second (1 Hz) and can be triggered
by severe turbulence. If I had not pulled up into a stall, the swinging
wings would have eventually overstressed the cage or possibly cracked the
fuselage tube.
Flutter to me would be a very fast oscillation. If this were caused by
the prop blast being greater on one side, then reducing the throttle
should kill the oscillation. In this case I tried that and it didn't
help. Since it has not happened in many years, I attribute this to severe
manmade turbulence (smoke stack thermal) that hit the tail of the plane.
Not sure this helped out, but you will know if it ever happens to you.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
14 years flying
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| From: | "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: hingless aileron/gap seal |
> Hi Gang and Topher,
> Would really be interested in hearing the modifications your making in
> order to have flaperons on your Firestar II.
>
> Later,
> John Cooley
> Firestar II
My plane is only a bit modified from stock. I have shortened the wings one
foot per side, by not adding the 12" extension tubes in the rear and aileron
spars. My wingtip bows have a smaller radius on them because of this, and
the distance from the end of the spar to the wingtip is only around12
inches, so the wingtip bow is much stiffer then a typical Kolb wingtip. My
ailerons are as full span as they can be without getting into the prop.
they are only inboard a bit more then I removed from the outboard end by
shortening the wings. they are square on the inboard end, cause I think it
will work better aerodynamically and I like the looks of it. I am adding a
diagonal brace to the inboard end like at the outboard end. I will also add
a little more dihedral for cruise stability and increasing the leverage on
the aileron bellcranks to reduce aileron forces. my gap seal will be
permanently mounted on the fuselage but still allow wing folding. I am
thinking about trading my nose cone in for one of the new pointy ones.
The flaperon linkage is similar to what you see on a Firefly. The aileron
bellcrank pivot at the aft end of the torque tube is mounted to the fuselage
on a movable pivot arm. by pulling on this mount with the flap actuation
push pull tube, the back end of the torque tube rises, lifting the aileron
pushpull tubes, and dropping the ailerons as flaperons. The actuator is
mounted on the front of the seat to the right of the stick. It sits nearly
flat on the floor when in the flaps up ( or reflexed) position and is level
with the top of the seat in the flaps down position. Dennis S. designed
the system for me after I described what I wanted in 1991, and all the parts
and welding was done at the Kolb factory in 1997.
yes I am taking forever to build this simple little plane!!! I built the
tail in Texas, then had My first child. Built the Wings In Michigan, then
had my second child. Built the Fuselage in Wisconsin, and then went to work
for Powersport Aviation helping design and build our 215HP Aircraft engines
and our RV-6A demo aircraft and had my third child! Now working on the
Ailerons and then hopefully get to covering the beast. I desperately want
to be flying next year. I am so sick of renting a plane and only flying
when I can fit into their schedule and the weather is decent and the plane
is working...
What do I expect to gain with these changes? a couple miles per hour faster
cruise, maybe. slightly shorter landing distance with the flaps, maybe.
Slightly smoother ride in turbulence. Slightly stronger wing. all these
are very small changes, but I hope to get just noticeably better in these
areas that I care about. The main thing will be crosswind and gust response
should be slightly better. That is key to me, having started my
ultralighting in 1983 in a Rotec Rally 2B, which had an enormous single
surface wing with a ridiculous amount of dihedral and tiny little
ineffective roll spoilers. It was almost unflyable in a slight cross wind.
and don't get me started on the structure of that death trap!
Topher
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| From: | "Randy Berry" <sc_bassman(at)hotmail.com> |
Can't find a website for Warp Drive ... but they do have a toll free number at
800-833-9357 (USA & Canada).
----- Original Message -----
From: Possum
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:03 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Web Site
Does anyone know if "Warp Drive" has a web site.
ad : http://explorer.msn.com
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| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
Oh yea, hadn't thought about antifreeze. Cats and dogs love it. They'll
just lap it right down so don't let you pets around it when you drain the
radiator folks. It'll do the job it they drink it. How about one of those
hamster or ginney pig water bottles so they can have one for the
road. Much rather have this around the airplane than something combustible
like fuel oil or corrosive like bleach.
jerryb
>
>Audrey Lewis wrote:
>
> > You can add antifreeze to the pan the tail wheel rest in. This will really
> > take them out!!!!
>
>Audrey and Gang:
>
>This is what this List is all about. Two or more heads are
>usually better than one. Had not thought of antifreeze.
>
>I checked out the airplane earlier this afternoon. No signs
>of rat activity. I put out 8 more sticky traps for the
>little buggers. I may have gotten someone's attention with
>those when he or she lost their tail. :-)
>
>john h
>
>
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| From: | "Christopher John Armstrong" <Tophera(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: yaw oscillation |
> Flutter to me would be a very fast oscillation. If this were caused by
> the prop blast being greater on one side, then reducing the throttle
> should kill the oscillation. In this case I tried that and it didn't
> help. Since it has not happened in many years, I attribute this to severe
> manmade turbulence (smoke stack thermal) that hit the tail of the plane.
If the effect is an interaction between structural deflection and
aerodynamic forces that is oscillatory, no matter the frequency, then it is
flutter. If it is just an aerodynamic oscillation without the plane flexing
then it is just the pedal free Dutch-roll mode being excited. My guess is
you had rudder flutter, but since your feet were off the pedals when it
happened, it is possible you were in a Dutch roll. Were you rolling as well
as yawing? if the roll was coupled with the yaw then you were in a Dutch
roll. if you were in a pure yaw oscillation then the rudder/tail boom was
fluttering.
Topher
September 10, 2001 - September 24, 2001
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