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Date: Mar 13, 2004
Subject: Re: Velcro deterioration
From: ul15rhb(at)juno.com
Duane the plane, I drilled a couple of holes near the end of the gap seal that line up to the keel tube in front of the engine. I installed an eyebolt and nuts in each one with the "eye" of the eyebolt facing downwards. Then I got a mini bungee cord (about a foot long and thin) that wraps once around the keel tube and attaches crossways to each of the eyebolts. This has two functions in that it dampens the vibrations in the gap seal and also keeps it held down should the velcro fail. Since I fold the wings each time I fly, I get under the wings and remove the bungee cord from the eyebolts and link it to itself around the keel tube so that I can take the gap seal off and don't lose the bungee for the next flight. Ralph Original Firestar 17 years flying it writes: > > Hi Gang, > 'Took my Firefly for a hop this A.M. and she was happy to go. After > climbout I took her up to cruise speed and was tooling along just > fine until I heard one of those strange noises we all dread. 'Made > it back to the field and set her down without further problems. When > I looked her over I found that the back section of my metal wing gap > cover had popped up and was making all the noise. > > Close examination showed that one area of two inch wide velcro had > lost most of it's "fuz". It has been on there for about two years > and was not bald but definitely less than new. I used a piece of new > matching Velcro to test it's holding power and confirmed that it was > no longer holding as it should. In addition the cables going to the > BRS rocket were not where they should be and were pushing against > the underside of the gap cover. > > Note: it was the fuzzy side of the velcro that lost it's grip the > loop side tested o.k. > > Builder's Note: I found that removing the Velcro from the top of the > inboard wing rib was going to be a real problem because it is glued > on and MEK would make a real mess of the fabric in that area. I will > probably just glue a new piece on top of the old one. The matching > velcro (loops) on the underside of the metal gap cover is o.k. I > should have had the fuzzy side glued to the metal so that when it > wore out it would be easy to remove because the MEK would not damage > the metal. > > Living and still learning, > > Duane the plane Tallahassee, FL, FireFly SN007, Mk3/912. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "garvelink" <link(at)cdc.net>
Subject: Re: Velcro deterioration
Date: Mar 13, 2004
I dont know if petroleium products will mess with the wing but there are several for removing the glue on velcro and other things that you might want to look at. I use a product called removeit 3M makes a citrus based remover but probably best to talk to the manufacturer of your fabric to see if they recommend something. Srglink ----- Original Message ----- From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Velcro deterioration > > Hi Gang, > 'Took my Firefly for a hop this A.M. and she was happy to go. After climbout I took her up to cruise speed and was tooling along just fine until I heard one of those strange noises we all dread. 'Made it back to the field and set her down without further problems. When I looked her over I found that the back section of my metal wing gap cover had popped up and was making all the noise. > > Close examination showed that one area of two inch wide velcro had lost most of it's "fuz". It has been on there for about two years and was not bald but definitely less than new. I used a piece of new matching Velcro to test it's holding power and confirmed that it was no longer holding as it should. In addition the cables going to the BRS rocket were not where they should be and were pushing against the underside of the gap cover. > > Note: it was the fuzzy side of the velcro that lost it's grip the loop side tested o.k. > > Builder's Note: I found that removing the Velcro from the top of the inboard wing rib was going to be a real problem because it is glued on and MEK would make a real mess of the fabric in that area. I will probably just glue a new piece on top of the old one. The matching velcro (loops) on the underside of the metal gap cover is o.k. I should have had the fuzzy side glued to the metal so that when it wore out it would be easy to remove because the MEK would not damage the metal. > > Living and still learning, > > Duane the plane Tallahassee, FL, FireFly SN007, Mk3/912. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Big Bang
Date: Mar 13, 2004
I see in my crystal ball a mechanic looking for a new career. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors)
Date: Mar 13, 2004
Hello! I am writing an article for Kitplanes magazine that will feature builders who have distinctive interiors and/or exteriors. My deadline is rather short, so if you could email me as soon as possible, hopefully by Tuesday, that will give me enough time to put it together. Here are some of the criteria I'm looking for: Interiors that are (one or any combination): 1. creative 2. inexpensive 3. very comfortable 4. lightweight 5. generally cool and different 6. distinctive in some way. Exteriors that are: 1.. stunningly attractive 2.. original design 3.. historically accurate 4.. distinctive in some way Other things to keep in mind: 1. How you came to design your interior/exterior (How you got your idea) 2. The reasons why you did it as you did 3. What benefits you had in mind 4. Any unexpected benefits (and/or pitfalls) there were 5. What you learned 6. How many hours you've flown with it (if completed) 7. How much of the work did you do yourself? 8. Did you have any professional assistance? How much? 9. The equipment and tools you used 10. How much time it took to build and install 11. The cost of building it. 12. Would you do it again the same way? Why? Here are the photo requirements for Kitplanes: Photos must be 300 dpi at a size large enough to use in the magazine, which is usually at least 3 x 3 inches. If an image is 300 dpi at 1 x 1 inch, it won't be big enough to do any good. Hard copy photos are good, too. Thanks so much - I really appreciate your help! best regards, Cory Emberson Hayward, CA [KHWD] 510.599.4409 cory(at)lightspeededit.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: FireFly Update and Mods..
Date: Mar 13, 2004
Well everyone.....I have updated my Website a little..to reflect the mods that are taking place. Here is a link to page 14...the enclosure page..showing the method I used to enclose the upper rear half of the cage..and the 10 gallon Challenger tank is installed on page 15. The single strut mod is on a page labled strut mods . Menu is on the bottom of each page. NOW...keep in mind here..I dont recommend that any a you turds or anyone else do this to a perfectly good FireFly. I just put up the pics so you can see what I have done...and if anyone sees something they think is stupid..or dangerous lemme know so I can examine what I have done. IF you just dont like it, well...keep it to yourself!!! :) (grin). ...My apoligies to Dennis Souder who's work on designing this bird still has not been equaled in this industry. It probably makes Dennis cringe when he sees a great airplane like the FireFly all messed up like this..If I designed this airplane..it probably would make me feel that away!...So Dennis..you better not look at these pages pard. You have been awfully helpful, cordial and respectful to me..and I think you designed the best ultralight in the industry!...and...I believe it still is even after several years! Hard to believe no body has done it since. here is a link to page 14 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/enclosure.htm Don G ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Afordfan(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 13, 2004
Subject: Re: Craftsman Tools
I have a craftsman that clicks when you get to torque. About 25 years old. Just took it to work and had it calibrated. It's right on. Bruce ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frank Reynen" <frank_reynen(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2004
Date: Mar 13, 2004
John and MV list I had a three week RV trip sheduled to visit Colorado and just made my camping arrangements with Gouldings to join the MV group for a couple of days (no MKIII) Hope to see you there. Frank Reynen MKIII/912/Lotus floats 804 hrs frank_reynen(at)ix.netcom.com www.webcom.com/reynen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot(at)comcast.net> > To: > > Folks that have stated an interest in gathering at Monument Valley during > > May 14-17, 2004: > > > > John Hauck, Kolb Mark III, Titus, AL jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com > > John Williamson, Kolb Kolbra, Arlington, TX kolbrapilot(at)comcast.net > > Boyd Young, Kolb Mark III, Brigham City, UT by0ung(at)brigham.net > > Craig Nelson, Kolb Mark IIIXtra, Gilbert, AZ vitalfx0(at)msn.com > > Dave Pelletier, Kolb Mark III or FireStar, Prescott, AZ > > pelletier(at)cableone.net > > Dave Rains, Cessna 175, El Paso, TX rr(at)htg.net > > Dennis Kirby, Kolb Mark III, Cedar Crest, NM Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil > > Erich Weaver, Kolb Mark III , Santa Barbara, CA erich_weaver(at)urscorp.com > > Gary Haley, Kolb Mark III, Houston, TX ghaley(at)wt.net > > Jim Hefner, Kolb FireFly, Tucson, AZ hefners_tucson(at)hotmail.com > > John Bickham, Kolb Mark III, St. Francisville, LA BICUM(at)aol.com > > Larry Bourne, Kolb Mark III, Palm Springs, CA biglar(at)gogittum.com > > Larry Cottrell, Kolb Mark III, Klamath Falls, OR lcottrel(at)kfalls.net > > Tim Gherkins, Kolb FireStar II, Gilbert, AZ rp3420(at)motorola.com > > Tom Kuffel, Prospector, Whitefish, MT kuffel(at)cyberport.net > > Will Uribe, Kolb FireStar II. El Paso, TX WillUribe(at)aol.com > > Ted Cowan, Kolb SlingShot,Opelika, AL tcowan1917(at)direcway.com > > Jim Clayton, Kolb Mark IIIXtra , Santa Clara, CA jspc78(at)yahoo.com > > Bruce Williams, Kitfox, MS > > Mark German, Kolb Kolbra, Chisago City, MN aerofab(at)worldnet.att.net > > Bill Elder, Kolb Mark III, Conifer CO, billelder(at)denver.net > > > > > > John Williamson > > Arlington, TX > > > > Kolb Kolbra: 508 hours, Rotax 912 ULS > > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 14, 2004
From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)lycos.com>
Subject: Pictures of Dollies
Hey Guys, The Pictures that I sent Matt went to the other list that I receive "Tailwind"...but I copied the address , here it is : http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.03.13.2004/index.html The're good for 300 lbs ea. and they don't add alot of height... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN ,cold & windy --- My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 14, 2004
From: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: MV
Hate to do this but gotta back out of Monument Valley also. Our Club, the Southern Flyers are hosting their spring fly in with cohost the local EAA chapter for Headland Airport, Alabama. Hate to miss it. Ted Cowan, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ZackGSD(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 14, 2004
Subject: Kolb for sale
Kolbers, I hate to do it, but I have put my Kolb up for sale; my parent's (86 & 84 years young) have just come to live with us yesterday; so I will not have time to fly for awhile, & will need the money to help take care of them. Anyone interested please, email me off list. 96 Kolb Firestar 1 503 - 97 hrs TT - 2nd owner Enclosed, brakes, wheel pants, super paint - a very nice plane Alan Dallas, TX ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: UMA Tach
Date: Mar 14, 2004
Hi Gang: My day for whining. Bought a UMA 3 1/8" tach to replace the Rotax 2 1/4" tach that has been worn out. Took all of Friday afternoon and up until 1400 yesterday to get the tach installed and tested. Hauck luck strikes again. The tach is a dedicated model for 912/914 engines. It has a feature that I did not want, but in order to get a 3 1/8" tach, I had to get the flight timer. Like an hour meter that begins recording at 1800 rpm. I was excited after spending so much time to get this instrument installed and once again flying with an accurate tach. Wrong. Cranked the engine and the tach looked good until 2000 rpm. A hair over 2000 and it jumped to 4000 with a steady and rapid advance to the peg, a little over 7000. The error is constant through out the scale from startup to shutdown. Such a disappointing day, but flew anyhow, over to my EAA Chap Meeting at Wetu AP 11 miles away. When I got back to Gantt IAP, removed the tach, double checked the three connections, 12VDC, ground, and tach lead. All correct. All connections soldered. I assume this tach is inop and unreliable. Will go through the drill of boxing up, sending back, and waiting on a replacement to arrive to go through the install drill once again. That is, of course, after I try to convinve Acft Spruce they sent me a bad tach. I had forgotten how time intensive working on our little birds can be. I have had three tachs in the MKIII, VDO 3 1/4" for the 582 that would not work with the 912, a Rotax 2 1/4" for the 912, which is now worn out, and finally the 3 1/8" UMA. All three tachs required different hole size requirements to fit into the instrument panel. I did make up some new instr panel shock mts from Rotax radiator shock mounts which took up some of that day I spent practicing tach installation. If I had it to do again, I would have wired the instrument panel to a plug and socket for easy removal. It is a pain in the butt to work on inside the cockpit. Maybe next time. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly Update and Mods..
Date: Mar 14, 2004
Don; An AWESOME website, and a real education into the Kolb aircraft. Thank you, George --- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 15, 2004
Subject: writers
From: kinnepix <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net>
Just a brief comment -- It sounds as though Cory should have started her request with an explanation of who she was and what she was doing, before she asked for any help, and I'm sure she realizes this now. But as a professional photographer-writer for all my adult life, I know there IS NO "easy way to write an article". It's all hard work, esp. in a new or unusual field. And I know that Editors are famous for saying "do this by next week if you want this job" -- which puts a lot of pressure on the writer. It's too easy, under this pressure, to lean on people a bit more than you should, or short-cut things like introductions. She's just trying to do her job. Let's help if we can. We've all been through 'Theme Writing 101' at some point. Russ Kinne ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 15, 2004
From: Richard Pike <rwpike(at)charter.net>
Subject: Airnav.com
For those of you that have been using Airnav.com to look up different airports, it appears they are going to a List-for-fee type service. I have gotten 4 notices that unless I send them ongoing payments, they are going to drop Indian Springs airport off their listing. So don't be surprised if many of the airports you used to find on their website are no longer there. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors)
Date: Mar 15, 2004
-----Original Message----- From: Christopher Armstrong [mailto:tophera(at)centurytel.net] Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) Cory, Sorry you have received such rude replies from some of the Kolb listers. I don't think I have anything useful to give you for your article since I haven't gotten that far in my plane yet. I did contribute to the interior of Powersport Aviation's RV-6A, putting a custom computer and engine management and navigation software in the instrument panel, see www.powersportaviation.com if that might interest you. I think they are wrong to insult your research methods. Despite some of the comments about your techniques by some of the listers, I think it is good to go straight to the troops to hear what they are doing in the trenches so to speak, as long as you do additional research on your own and compose the information from all sources into a good article. I don't know where these guys think you are supposed to get information about how people are finishing their kitplane then from the kit builders? Anyway, good luck and I look forward to reading the article since I hope to be finishing my plane soon. Topher ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly Update and Mods..
Date: Mar 15, 2004
gosh george.....thx fer the kind words....! Don Gherardini OEM.Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company CortLand, Illinois 800-626-7326 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: writers
Date: Mar 15, 2004
Thanks Russ, I appreciate it. Editorial work is like that - "wait and hurry up." I do apologize for shorting you all on the introduction ... please pardon my temporary lapse in good manners. :-) Just for the record, with a smile, I am 46 - well past my yout', and never had the chance to do research online when I was in college. We actually had to show up at the library and find books and journals! I even had to write my papers and theses on an IBM Selectric ... uphill, both ways! :-) At any rate, I hope the waters are calmed and I appreciate the replies very much. I have quite a few emails to wade through, and will reply to everyone in person. best regards, Cory > > Just a brief comment -- > It sounds as though Cory should have started her request with an explanation > of who she was and what she was doing, before she asked for any help, and > I'm sure she realizes this now. > But as a professional photographer-writer for all my adult life, I know > there IS NO "easy way to write an article". It's all hard work, esp. in a > new or unusual field. And I know that Editors are famous for saying "do this > by next week if you want this job" -- which puts a lot of pressure on the > writer. It's too easy, under this pressure, to lean on people a bit more > than you should, or short-cut things like introductions. She's just trying > to do her job. Let's help if we can. > We've all been through 'Theme Writing 101' at some point. > Russ Kinne > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 15, 2004
From: The Kuffels <kuffel(at)cyberport.net>
Subject: UMA Tach
Sent this yesterday but it was bounced back by a server in Seattle saying Matronics was "full". Ah the wonders of computers: John, <> Before you send the tack back you might want to check other causes. It sounds as if your new tach is susceptible to engine noise. Try some filtering techniques remembering this is more art than science: 1) RF bypass ceramic capacitors. Two at the tach terminals, one from +12 terminal to ground terminal and the other from the tach lead terminal to the ground terminal. First try 0.001 microfarads. If that doesn't work then 0.01 and if that isn't enough then 0.1 microfarad. Don't know the mechanical structure of the UMA terminals but you can just solder the larger capacitors onto the leads of the smaller as you work your way up. 2) Try similar filter bypassing from the tach source to a nearby ground. 3) 3 wire Shielded cable with the shield grounded at one end only, probably the engine end would be best. If all this fails, then you probably need a different brand of tach which is less vulnerable to electrical noise. Good luck, Tom Kuffel Whitefish, MT Building Original FireStar ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly Update and Mods..
Date: Mar 16, 2004
Don, What can I say ... very impressive design changes and craftsmanship! Actually, not to worry, Dennis doesn't cringe over such things. Things that have caused Dennis to cringe have been things like a VW installed in a Kolb Flyer. Yes that's right - not a Soob in an UltraStar (although that does carry some cringe factor too) - but a Flyer. Luckily I talked him about of the VW, but lo and behold next time I visited he had 4 Chrysler West Bend engines installed. Just had to have 4 cylinders, it would seem. Reminiscent of that game wack-a-mole ... kept bopping away at the cylinders and they would just pop up elsewhere else! Listening to Aubrey Radford talk about his flying at SNF caused me to cringe, to say nothing about hearing about what happened later. Oh yea, watching that old Kolb video with the aerobatics causes me to cringe too. The FireFly was just an original FireStar attacked by a huge pair of snips. Homer's turn to cringe! Engine was too tough to cut, so we kept that intact. Thanks for the FF tour! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" <
donghe@one-eleven.net> Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Update and Mods.. > > Well everyone.....I have updated my Website a little..to reflect the mods > that are taking place. > Here is a link to page 14...the enclosure page..showing the method I used to > enclose the upper rear half of the cage..and the 10 gallon Challenger tank > is installed on page 15. The single strut mod is on a page labled strut mods > . Menu is on the bottom of each page. > > > ...My apoligies to Dennis Souder who's work on designing this bird still has > not been equaled in this industry. It probably makes Dennis cringe when he > sees a great airplane like the FireFly all messed up like this..If I > designed this airplane..it probably would make me feel that away!...So > Dennis..you better not look at these pages pard. You have been awfully > helpful, cordial and respectful to me..and I think you designed the best > ultralight in the industry!...and...I believe it still is even after several > years! Hard to believe no body has done it since. > > > here is a link to page 14 > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/enclosure.htm > > > Don G > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 16, 2004
From: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Mark III
Anyone got a handle on what kind of time it takes to cover, finish and paint (simple paint job) a Mark III. Please answer off list. Thanks. Ted. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 16, 2004
From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi(at)supernet.com>
Subject: Re: Dirt Strips
Richard Pike wrote: > > Here in Hoot-Owl-Holler country, we work under the theory that it is much > easier to apologize than to get permission. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Is that what you tell the people at church on Sunday?? :-) Just kidding I know what you are saying! -- Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject: kolb ultrastar
Date: Mar 17, 2004
my ultrastar is gonna sell by sunday or I'll put it in storage till i move to another part of the country. it is ready to go needs nothing. good plane, flys great. want 3500.00 after sunday it ain't for sale,, i'll keep it,,, it is in sweetwater tx. phone is 325-721-2899 or email for pic's sorry stan b. know it ain't friday but its gotta go or i keep it. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Alert
From: Jim Gerken <gerken(at)us.ibm.com>
Date: Mar 18, 2004
03/18/2004 06:58:27 AM Not sure if this post to Kolb list is working, but just FYI; I recieved a note with a virus, from Olenik Aviation, with a subject of "Incoming Fax", this morning. Jim Gerken ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 18, 2004
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:- Virus Alert
I also received a message today bearing the same subject but mine indicated it was sent by our "BigLar". jerb > > Not sure if this post to Kolb list is working, but just FYI; > > I recieved a note with a virus, from Olenik Aviation, with a subject of >"Incoming Fax", this morning. > >Jim Gerken > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 18, 2004
From: Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject: Off topic: more on the CH701
I apologize in advance for the off-topic post... however, there was some interest here a few weeks ago about photos I took of a friends' Zenair CH701... Well, my friend, John Crosley, bought that Zenair CH701 in Wisconsin, and had to ferry it down here to Houston. So, much like my trip down from Minnesota, he had quite a story to tell about his adventures... not quite a John H. level of adventure, but kinda interesting in its own right. He has graciously permitted me to post his story and photos to Texas-Flyer. I also re-routed the original set of photos so that they can be found at the tail end of the story. I hope you enjoy it! (And, again, sorry for the non-Kolb post.) http://www.Texas-Flyer.com -- Robert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BICUM(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 19, 2004
Subject: Lesson Learned - 912 & spark plug gap
Hello list, This may be repetitive and common sense stuff to most. I have been having trouble starting the 912 lately. Initially I attributed it to not running very much. Between the long delivery on the new prop, weather, and work - not much flying. My 912 had always crank almost instantly. Lately it has taken a lot of cranking and several attempts. Warm starts were even taking longer than normal too. I had put new plugs in at 200 hours just before the Sept flight to KH/TNK. Started seeing small hints then. I had gapped the plugs @ .80 mm. The maintenance manual stipulates a .70 - .80 mm. If you read further (ain't that news), it even has a statement about reducing the gap to .5 mm if you are having starting problems. So I decided to check the spark plugs. Reduced the gaps to .70 mm. There ain't much difference in the gap but it sure makes a lot difference in the start. Cranks right up just like it used to. Less than 2 months to MV! Thanks & be careful, John Bickham St. Francisville, LA Kolb Mark III Classic - 912 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Lesson Learned - 912 & spark plug gap
Date: Mar 19, 2004
| This may be repetitive and common sense stuff to most. I have been having | trouble starting the 912 lately. | John Bickham Morning John B/Gang: Wish you had said something a little sooner. I had that problem with a brand new 912, 10 years ago. Really upsetting to have a brand new engine that would not fire. There were no instructions in the new operators manuals to close up the gaps. Was getting ready to leave for the long flight in 1994. Flew down to Ronnie Smith's, Lucedale, MS, to see if we could trouble shoot the problem. Once started, ran great. Just would not fire on start up. Landed at Ronnie's. Went to lunch. When I came back, the 912 was fixed. Hit the starter and it would fire right up. While I was at lunch, Ronnie closed up the gap to .020". Four years later, Lake Texoma, Texas. Bro Jim and I were ready to head down to Dallas. 912 would not start. Pulled the plugs. Closed the gaps to .020" and she fired right up. Glad you got it figured out. john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lesson Learned - 912 & spark plug gap
From: Dwight.Kottke(at)hti.htch.com
Date: Mar 19, 2004
03/19/2004 10:18:49 AM, Serialize complete at 03/19/2004 10:18:49 AM, Itemize by SMTP Server on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 03/19/2004 10:18:42 AM, Serialize by Router on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 03/19/2004 10:18:46 AM, Serialize complete at 03/19/2004 10:18:46 AM John B./John H./ and Udders (a little farm humor there): Wish you had said something a little sooner. 912 would not start. Pulled the plugs. Closed the gaps to .020" and she fired right up......... "Your spark plug gap problems remind me of my Yamaha mechanic days. Back in the 70's and 80's Yamaha had some screaming 350 cc two stroke motorcycles. (which always kicked the snot out of the Honda's, NOTE: Don G.) They had gap and fouling problems until CDI ignition came along. What I did was remove the original factory coils, closed my eyes and threw those damn things as far as I could. Then I went down to my local NAPA auto parts store and bought Delco/Remy auto coils, the best plug wires and caps, installed it all and the spark plug problems went away. Maybe this is something that would help out the 912????? There are some fantastic high energy coils out there on the market for the racing world. Might be worth investigating." Memories of the 70's, some days I wish I was back there. The Flying Farmer Dwight Kottke Do Not Ark Hive ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Lesson Learned - 912 & spark plug gap
Date: Mar 19, 2004
Hi Dwight/All: I think it is a problem Rotax should work on. We discussed this problem during the 912 School, so Rotax is aware. When it happens to an owner that does not have the fix, it is devastating. I notice no difference in performance between the normal spark plug gap of .028" and .020". So, I go ahead and set my plugs to .020 or .025" when I replace them. What happened in Texas was errosion of the ground wire and center electrode widened the gap until the old 912 refused to fire. john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 20, 2004
From: "johnjung(at)compusenior.com" <johnjung(at)compusenior.com>
Subject: Re: Lesson Learned - 912
Group, As Don pointed out, this problem is not limited to 912's. From my experience, gaps as small as .022 can be too big for 277's, 377's and point ignition 503's. They need to be set to .015, not .020. The book says from .015 to .020, but if set to .020, it won't take long for the electrode to erode .002. Then they could be hard to start. John Jung Firestar II N6163J Surprise, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Email and Spam
Date: Mar 20, 2004
Hello all, after reading about how spammers "harvest" websites for addresses. I tried eliminating all of the "@" signs in the database. However, the email addresses seem to still work. Anyone know the trick here to what I am trying to do? Thanks, Kip http://www.springeraviation.net/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Rivets
Date: Mar 20, 2004
Where can I order the wide head aluminum pop rivets for the wing fabric ?? Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Rivets
Date: Mar 20, 2004
| Where can I order the wide head aluminum pop rivets for the wing fabric ?? Lar. Larry/All: Try Jim and Dondi Miller: http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/ john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 20, 2004
From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)lycos.com>
Subject: Hobbs
Hey Guys, Today I added a Cig lighter socket, for my GPS power source...and I installed my Hobbs meter. I thought I was going to hook it up to my Ducati dual ignition, but when I turned the key to "both" nothing was "hot" except the main power source. I check the achives but didn't really find anything. Some people said they were going to hook theirs up to the ignition but I didn't hear how it turned out. Anybody got any ideas? I guess I'll be checking some of the catalogs... Gotta Fly... Mike in MN --- My Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb History
Date: Mar 20, 2004
Hi Gang: Got in the mood. Scanned and uploaded a few more historical photos. This was on completion of the first flight of Cuz'n P'fer, July 1987. That's my big Brother Jim congratulating me for not busting my ass or my airplane. Wasn't long after this photo was taken that things started getting updated on Cuz. Number 1: The top strobe mount on the engine stress cracked and fell off in short order. The original 1" aluminum gear legs were replaced with 1 1/8" Twinstar legs. The wheel pants were removed. They were supposed to help me fly faster, keep the cow crap off the airplane and me. All they did was fill up the aft part of the pants with cow crap. The plastic Azuza wheels were extremely flexible, flexing into and rubbing away the fiberglass wheel pants. The overly long pitot tube was shortened up considerably. The reason I started out with the long tube was to get as clean a pitot reading as possible. I am sure that little exercise was an overkill. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/FS%201st%20Flt%201987/First%20Flt%20July%201987.jpg Bert Howland's last Sun and Fun, 1994. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Howlands/Bert%20Howland%20S&F%201994.jpg Bert and Ellen Howland, S&F 1994. That is a Corning Ultralight Flight Farm cup in front of her. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Howlands/Bert%20Howland%20S&F%201994.jpg Spent the night here on my second flight to the NE. Also slept in the same spot on the first trip north, 1988. This is a hayfield next to I-81 near Dublin, VA. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Hay%20Fld%20Near%20Dublin,%20VA,%201989.jpg This was the camping area beside the airstrip at the Flight Farm, 1989. In front of my FS is an ice chest, bivy tent (commonly referred to as my body bag), and a Jeep provided by Doug Johnston, a Vietnam Vet I had met the year before. He lives in Beaver Dam, NY, a few miles down the road. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Flt%20Farm%201989.jpg This clipping was cut from the Oshkosh newspaper. That's me and Cuz'n P'fer doing our thing on downwind (to the north) along Hwy 41 for the UL airstrip. The caption says something about flying in early morning and late evening when the wind is calm. No one ever told me and Cuz about those flight restrictions on calm air. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Front%20Page.jpg Found a diner near Frederick, MD, and a hayfield across the street. Hauck gets hot chow. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Hayfield%20Near%20Frederick,%20MD,%201989.jpg Who says you can't fly a FS cross country and be comfortable. These hangers had been bulldozed when I landed there last July. That little green bag is what I carried my clothes in. The seat is propped up so I can get into the cargo compartment. Yes, a cargo compartment for my cargo. The little red and white thing on the back of that fiberglass jon boat seat is the small Halon fire extinguisher. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Linden,%20MI%201989.jpg How small Cuz and I were out there in this big country. Here is Cuz in the middle of a large concrete airbase, abandoned some time ago near Racco, MI, just a few miles south Whitefish Bay, Lake Superior, MI. John Williamson and I overflew Racco on our flight through this area last July. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Racco,%20MI%201989.jpg Horseshoe Falls, Niagara Falls, NY and Ontario, under the wing of Cuz'n P'fer, 1989. The photo is an accurate description of the weather and lighting conditions the day this pic was shot. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/FS%20Over%20Niagra%201989.jpg Me and Cuz at Wind Star AP, MD, near Baltimore, MD, and Chesapeake Bay. Our last landing before arriving at Homer Kolb's in Spring City, PA, 1989. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Windstar%20Avn,%20MD,%201989.jpg If for some reason you do not think Kolb history should be presented on the Kolb List, please hit your delete key. Then crawl back in your hole. Just kidding. A little black humor for Jack Hart. He needs a shot of my black humor every once in a while to keep his ticker going. hehehe Please do not take this serious. It is in no way intended to be presented that way. I find if I get too serious I get bored and depressed. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tom coggin" <motniggo(at)localnet.com>
Subject: Kolb History
Date: Mar 20, 2004
Get a life. hahaha. you need help! hehehe DO archive under Hauck, John. Tom Coggin Cullman, Alabama 256 775-0383 Firefly, ultralight RV-6 N112WA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb History
Date: Mar 20, 2004
John H; Well, I for one, am pretty damned incensed at the blatant use of this list for your personal display of historical adventures in a Kolb. . . . . WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG.? AND, where's the rest of your adventures? I had the very distinct and pleasurable honor to meet with Adriel Heisey last year, and altho many of his photos are published, I see no real difference in the quality of many of your pictures. Please continue to entertain us, George --- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Email and Spam
Date: Mar 20, 2004
Along with some ideas from George, I have remove the "link" capability of the email addresses. It makes from more work to cut and paste and remove the (X) but I do not want to contribute to anyone else's spam count. Sort of takes away some needed "color" from the list as well... Oh well, hope that it helps. Also, and I hope to not jinx myself but I am close to arranging for some air to air shots with either a Stearman or Waco with the Firestar here shortly...fingers crossed. Kip http://www.springeraviation.net/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 21, 2004
Subject: Re: Mail
Lar, I did not send an E-mail with attachment Ed ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb History
Date: Mar 21, 2004
> I am just really P.O.'ed cause I ain't done something like this also, go,,john,,go!! in may I am flying to SWRFI in my max , or my u star if it don't sell by tonite,, as i said if it is still here tonite, i am gonna keep it for really nice mornings, and evenings. > display of historical adventures in a Kolb.the blatant use of this list for your personal > . > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: Rivets
Date: Mar 21, 2004
John H, I suggest that one might confer with Mr. Pelletier regarding the Monument Valley Fly-In. He was there a year ago and his experience there could be important to members of this list who might be interested/curious about the event. DAVE......are you listening? How about a little commentary on it? Was it worth it? Are you going to try to go again? Was there a pretty good turn-out? How many & what types? Etc. Anonymous --- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
"James and Cathy Tripp"
Subject: hobs meter
Date: Mar 21, 2004
just going from memory... it seems the hobs in the eis doesnot register until you hit 300 rpm......... maybe check with grandrapids and check if the number can be raised to 2000 or 2500 then it should give you a good indicitaion of flight time maybe you could put in the micro switch in line with the eis rpm pick up. boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: 912 & spark plug gap
Date: Mar 21, 2004
it even has a statement about reducing the gap to .5 mm if you are having starting problems. So I decided to check the spark plugs. Reduced the gaps to .70 mm. There ain't much difference in the gap but it sure makes a lot difference in the start. Cranks right up just like it used to. Less than 2 months to MV! a friend of mine who does a lot of work on engines told me this bit of info. the electrodes of a spark plug will start to round at the corners when they get older..... the spark will jump the gap of the spark plug from the sharpest corner it can fine..... if the corners have worn off .010 and you set the rounded part of the electrode to .020... the efective gap is .030.... the wear will continue untill the top of the crown on the electrode starts to wear and the phisical gap increases... when cleaning up spark plugs it is best to take a spark plug file and hit the electrodes and eleminate the crown. so you have sharp corners at the proper gap distance. both the center electrode and the ground. the other thing that will help is a new batery.... started having problems this winter..... installed a new batery and doubled the cranking speed and it starts like new. boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: USUA ground school
Date: Mar 21, 2004
Hi Kolbers, Just got home from 2 days of ultralight ground school. At this school there were several men that were considering buying or building ultralight aircraft. They ranged from young men with no flight time to a retired Delta captain. As we would take breaks, we would go outside and look at different brands of airplanes and talk about their construction and capabilities. Me being the only one there that is currently building one, I was asked many questions as you can imagine. One of these questions was "What made you decide on a Kolb?" I replied with "Well I did a years worth of research and decided that the Kolb had the strongest wing in the market". So the one fella asked "What do you mean by strong?" So I took him over to a challenger and told him to look inside the wing. You can do this by simply easily and gently pulling the sail down at the wing root and looking down the inside of the wing. I have never really done this my self and when I looked I said "Holy cow! There's nothing in there but a couple of aluminum tubes that run from the leading edge to the trailing!" And the cloth is very sloppy and lose. Then we walked over to the only airplane on the field that resembled a Kolb (a fergy) and he could tell right away at the differences between the two. I think I might have sold a couple of Kolb's this weekend...hehehe... I then went on to explain the differences between the two aircraft's fuselage construction. The Challenger is all aluminum tubing with gussets and the Kolb is a factory welded 4130 chrome molly steel unit. Everyone was impressed to say the least. In another topic on a break, the subject of recovery systems came up. A comment was made that in a deployment of a BRS or similar type your decent rate is 27 mph. This sound right guys? In addition, this fellow said "You only want to deploy a BRS if you have a major structural failure" And minimum altitude for deployment was talked about. One guy said 150'. Another said NO WAY more like 300'. I would like to know myself. On another note, for any out there considering buying or building a Kolb or similar type aircraft, and plan on getting a PPL or SP rating, I highly recommend attending one of these ground schools and obtaining the USUA manual tiled "The Ultralight Pilot's Flight Training Manual" Even though you may not plan on a going the FAR part 103 legal route, you can learn a great deal from this manual. My flight training thus far has been studying with ASA private pilot DVD's and a CFII and I can now report to you that this manual is full of very useful information about aviation in easy to understand terms. It's a great manual and a good purchase. Well I have rambled enough.. time to go drill some holes.... Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject: mail
Date: Mar 21, 2004
expand the header and get the sending IP address info how do you do this?? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: martin fabric clips
Date: Mar 21, 2004
Noticed clips to secure fabric on Aeronca, Stinson, Taylorcraft. Anyone know about using these instead of rivits: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/fabclips.php If the holes are smaller than 1/8", maybe there would be a strength advantage. Clay Stuart ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: USUA ground school
Date: Mar 22, 2004
As to the question of how low you can use the chute, this pilot used his standard chute just in time, I think the no matter how low you are the chute can't hurt applies even more to the whole plane chutes: Reno (NV) pilot Ross Loudon didn't think he'd make it. When his homebuilt 1975 Wallace Skybolt (file photo of type, below) came apart in the sky near Cold Springs, he was inverted at just over 2000 feet AGL. "I just feel really lucky," Loudon told the Daily Sparks Tribune from his hospital bed at Washoe Medical Center. He flew as much as five times a week and said he practiced bailing out just about every time he went up. But "I never really thought if it came apart that I would have much hope of getting out," he said. So what happened? "It shook for a second or two, and then it just came apart. I honestly don't know why," he said. The biplane's plastic bubble canopy came off and hit him in the face, "so I was pretty much blinded. After I got hit and the plane just started falling toward the ground, I knew I needed to get out," he told the Tribune. He almost didn't get out fast enough, however. Loudon said, as the aircraft spiraled toward the ground, he unfastened his safety harness and pulled the rip cord on his parachute. It opened only partially, just seconds before the aircraft hit the ground. But that was enough. "It slowed me down just enough to keep me (alive)," he said. Loudon said he purchased the aircraft from a man in Florida who had rebuilt the aircraft "from the ground up." "I thought it was a... solid plane right up until it came apart," he said. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Don Rayfield
Date: Mar 22, 2004
From: "Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield(at)kcc.com>
Group, I'm sad to say that my father, Don Rayfield passed away early on March 18, from complications with heart surgery due in part to a heart attack. I know some of you knew him. I'm sorry for not getting the news out sooner, but I was unavailable. He will be missed. Bill Rayfield This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ============================================================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 22, 2004
From: possums <possums(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: mail
Three new Bagle variants spread rapidly last week. They have a dangerous feature: They can be launched if the recipient simply opens the e-mail. They do not need attachments. These variants take advantage of a flaw in Internet Explorer that was discovered in October. Microsoft issued a patch, but many people have not downloaded it. http://www.internetweek.com/security02/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18401045 At 03:45 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote: > >There's probably a simpler way, but I click on "Message" at the top of the >page, then click on "Create Rule From Message," and the sender's address >will be in box 3 of the drop down. (Assuming you're using Outlook Express) >This is also where I built my anti-spam list..........or maybe I should say, >my "Preferred E-mail Senders" list that all youse guys are on. :-0 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 22, 2004
From: Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject: Re: mail
Another solution is to stop using Internet Explorer or Outlook... go to http://www.mozilla.org and download the Mozilla browser and start using that. The Thunderbird email client is also a good substitute for Outlook. Yes, there are a few things out there that require IE, but you shouldn't need it for mail or 98% of all the other browser tasks. -- Robert At 10:19 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote: > > >Three new Bagle variants spread rapidly last week. They have a >dangerous feature: They can be launched if the recipient simply opens >the e-mail. They do not need attachments. > >These variants take advantage of a flaw in Internet Explorer that was >discovered in October. Microsoft issued a patch, but many people have >not downloaded it. >http://www.internetweek.com/security02/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18401045 > > >At 03:45 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote: > > > >There's probably a simpler way, but I click on "Message" at the top of the > >page, then click on "Create Rule From Message," and the sender's address > >will be in box 3 of the drop down. (Assuming you're using Outlook Express) > >This is also where I built my anti-spam list..........or maybe I should say, > >my "Preferred E-mail Senders" list that all youse guys are on. :-0 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: possible mkIII engine option
Date: Mar 22, 2004
The latest version of the smart roadster engine is retuned by BRABUS for 74kw (100hp)at 5600 rpm and is 130 pounds with the turbo and intercooler. It is a three cylinder 4 stroke single overhead cam two valves per cylinder with two spark plugs per cylinder standard. It makes rated power to 5200 meters (over 15000 feet) because of the turbo. It is a high pressure common rail fuel injection system and burns very little fuel, under 6 liters per 100 kilometers (something like 35 miles per gallon). It is incredibly quiet. The lower hp version is already flying as a production engine in the funk 9 airplanes in Germany with a belted redrive already developed. You mk III guys might want to look into this. http://www.fk-lightplanes.com/FK-News/Projects/projects.html http://www.ecofly.de/english.htm http://www.smart.com/-snm-0135155096-1078129646-0000020261-0000000003-107999 6289-enm-smart/content/en/en/smart/modelle/brabus/roadster/steckbrief Topher ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James, Ken" <KDJames(at)berkscareer.com>
Subject: possible mkIII engine option
Date: Mar 23, 2004
Any ideal on what the price is? -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Armstrong [mailto:tophera(at)centurytel.net] Subject: Kolb-List: possible mkIII engine option The latest version of the smart roadster engine is retuned by BRABUS for 74kw (100hp)at 5600 rpm and is 130 pounds with the turbo and intercooler. It is a three cylinder 4 stroke single overhead cam two valves per cylinder with two spark plugs per cylinder standard. It makes rated power to 5200 meters (over 15000 feet) because of the turbo. It is a high pressure common rail fuel injection system and burns very little fuel, under 6 liters per 100 kilometers (something like 35 miles per gallon). It is incredibly quiet. The lower hp version is already flying as a production engine in the funk 9 airplanes in Germany with a belted redrive already developed. You mk III guys might want to look into this. http://www.fk-lightplanes.com/FK-News/Projects/projects.html http://www.ecofly.de/english.htm http://www.smart.com/-snm-0135155096-1078129646-0000020261-0000000003-107999 6289-enm-smart/content/en/en/smart/modelle/brabus/roadster/steckbrief Topher ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 23, 2004
From: Danny Bradshaw <piperj5(at)shtc.net>
Subject: Shadow Pictures
Kolb Gang, My Firestar makes a really neat shadow while flying low late in the evening. I have one good picture I am sending to the photoshare. If you have any good shadow pictures send them in, maybe we can make a shadow picture album. BTW I haven't had much luck getting my plane in the Tnk Kolb Owners Album. My info would probably line up with someone else's plane anyway... oh well. Danny Bradshaw McBee, South Carolina ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 23, 2004
From: Richard Pike <rwpike(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: mail
I also use Eudora, but here is what the "Abuse(at)msn.com" website said to do for IE: To view headers in Outlook Express, right click on an unopened message in your Inbox (or any folder) and select Properties from the menu there. (Or select File, then Properties if the message is already opened.) Once in the Properties window, you will see a tab labeled "General" and another tab labeled "Details". In "Details", you will see the email headers for that message, with the entire message and headers viewable in text-only format in the "Message Source..." Hope this helps... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >What I am after is the actual IP address of the sender. Depending upon the >ISP provider some will only send messages that have a return email address >within the ISP domain. Sloppy ISP's may not have this restriction >enabled. It reduces the ability of spammers to use a ISP to send messages >outside of that domain. > >I run Eudora as my mail application program to provide a little more >protection from the virus issues that are common with MS Outlook. Under >Eudora once you select the message (not the attachment) it has a button you >click on that expands the message to show the detailed message header >information. I believe you can a preview pane under outlook, but I'm not >sure how you expand the message header detail to view the header >info. That inform provides the IP address the message was sent from. From >that it can be associated back to a specific originating ISP. Then the ISP >can be notified that a virus is being sent from one of their addresses and >they can take action to stop it. They don't like propagating viruses and >more than we do. >jerb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Fathers Day fly-in
Date: Mar 24, 2004
Terry, I am trying to figure out a date for the Aviation program. This summer is shaping up to be incredibly busy and with school going into June time is really tight. I should be in touch with you guys in the next week with some possible dates. Sorry about all the inconvenience. Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry" <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net> Subject: Kolb-List: Fathers Day fly-in > > Eugene, Bob, Eugene, Richard, Denny and all others, > > I will act as the contact person if that's what the gang wants. The > Wellsville Fathers Day Fly-In is a long established event that runs the > whole weekend. We could meet there and then if possible make at journey > to Homer's. There is a good stop off airport on the way at Smoketown, > Lancaster County that is UL friendly. > > If you want more information on Wellsville go to their web page at > footlightranch.com and hit Mason-Dixion Ultralight Fly-in or the > others. The information is for last years fly-in which was canceled > because of weather, but you can explore the facilities available and get > the data about the airstrip there. > I know they would welcome a good group of new Kolb's arriving there! > > Terry - FireFly #95 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 25, 2004
From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject: FireFly Is Ready To Go
FireFlyers & Kolbers, A month has gone by since the last flight of the FireFly. I went up to the Perryville Airport (k02) to finish up re assembly. The airport has been closed for runway and taxiway repairs. It just reopened yesterday, but the wind was too high to fly. It started to rain, but it was warm so as I waited for the weather to clear. I gathered up tools, washed the Firefly and swept out the hangar. While doing so I heard one jet land and taxi over to Saberliner's repair facility. My hanger is on the back side so I can not see the runway, but I heard another jet. When I looked up and out the open hangar door, I saw a F15 slowly fly by at about 500 feet. I walked out and watched it bank to the east. Then I walked to the end of the hangar row so that I could see it slowly continue at low altitude over the Mississippi River into Illinois. It was about this time, I thought maybe it was going to land at K02. And sure enough he turned base and overshot final approach and had to rack it back to get lined up. He over flew a third of the runway before touch down and I thought he would do a touch and go, but he laid on the brakes and got it stopped about 200 yards before he ran out of runway. He had flattened the tires on the main gear. Saberliner's crash truck drove down to the jet. The pilot shut down the engines, popped the canopy and climbed down. Then the emergency vehicles, fire, ambulance and sheriff came. The airport manager came by and told me the story. Two F15s were out and about when one had a fire indicator light come on. They were diverted to K02. The one with the problem was the first one I heard, and he landed with out any problem. But the one that I watched was the wing man. They closed the airport and the sheriff stayed to keep anyone away from the plane on the runway because it was armed with missiles. He was going to have to stay until the military showed up with security, spares and repair personnel. While I was in the main office washing up, they called over to see if they could get 18,000 pounds of jet fuel, but there was only 1,000 pounds left in the tank. Maybe tomorrow the airport will be open again. If you would like to see some of the repairs I made, I put up some photos and description at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly103.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart(at)ldd.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kit 2
Date: Mar 25, 2004
Hi Kolbers, Just had to share my excitement with you fine people, TNK shipped my fuselage kit today! The folks up there are nothing short of excellent. Travis informed me of some extra parts that other Kolbra buyers were shorted and explained what to look for and they figured the extra material needed for the flaps I plan to put on Ms. Dixie. I needed some extra tubing because of the wing tip mods so I was able to get that packed in the crate. Travis was talking to me on the phone with a cordless screw driver in one hand taking the top off the crate as we spoke and ordering lunch at the same time to add the needed material. He also was very proud of this shipment as he painstakingly packed everything personally. He made me fell real good when he said (with phone in one ear and cordless screwdriver in hands) "Ya know Paul, these guys really pour a lot of love and sweat-n-soul into these fuselages" By the way Travis is now re-subscribed to the list. Sorry to blow your cover bro.... Perhaps we could get Travis to join in with a post from time to time about what's going on at the factory. They sound pretty busy if you ask me.Linda phoned me later to let me know the freight company had picked her up (the kit that is) and gave me a tracking number. Now I have to wait and wonder what she (the kit) is going through in transit. Travis assured me that unless some underpaid forklift driver sticks a fork through the side of the crate,it should arrive in good shape and that it could withstand being dropped because of the way they pack the kit. I have no doubt... But I know freight companies and how they rapidly move freight from truck to truck and town to town. One thing I can say is that when you receive your kit or shipment from any carrier, if there is any damage to the carton or crate, note it on the freight or waybill before you sign for it. Also have the driver call the hub and note the damage. My first kit had damage and it was a pain but the motor company cut me a check for the damaged part.Which by the way was more than the cost of shipping. So now I sit and wait.Headed to the shop with new belts for the belt sander to dress and install the false ribs and start on the drag strut. Charley just phoned me from the airport and made it home from Washington DC in the Falcon 900 to Mississippi in 1 hour 50 minutes... I said "you should be ashamed of yourself" :-) I made this post rather long so that if any lurkers looking into buying a Kolb aircraft kit, perhaps they may feel the same excitement that I have had today. Sorry for any misspelling or wrong English... and I think this post is archive worthy in advance. Yes I'm a happy camper... Hopefully under Ms. Dixie's wing some day...... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jon Croke" <jon(at)joncroke.com>
Subject: Sport Pilot Update
Date: Mar 25, 2004
FYI... There was a Sport Pilot Update announced yesterday by the FAA realyed by USUA... Details are reproduced at www.KolbPilot.com Patience is the virtue...... Jon near Green Bay FS II ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: FireFly Is Ready To Go
Date: Mar 25, 2004
I think that it is reasonable for you to limit power not through rpm but through a throttle stop that can not be changed by the pilot in flight. Then you could re-pitch to get decent rpm even though you would be at reduced power. This would be the ultralight legal flight configuration for the aircraft. Limiting power with a throttle stop is just as reasonable as limiting speed by cranking in prop pitch. I think that as long as you can not change it in flight it would be acceptable to the feds. I don't think that you're at a dead end for 103-7 legality yet. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Is Ready To Go FireFlyers & Kolbers, A month has gone by since the last flight of the FireFly. I went up to the Perryville Airport (k02) to finish up re assembly. The airport has been closed for runway and taxiway repairs. It just reopened yesterday, but the wind was too high to fly. It started to rain, but it was warm so as I waited for the weather to clear. I gathered up tools, washed the Firefly and swept out the hangar. While doing so I heard one jet land and taxi over to Saberliner's repair facility. My hanger is on the back side so I can not see the runway, but I heard another jet. When I looked up and out the open hangar door, I saw a F15 slowly fly by at about 500 feet. I walked out and watched it bank to the east. Then I walked to the end of the hangar row so that I could see it slowly continue at low altitude over the Mississippi River into Illinois. It was about this time, I thought maybe it was going to land at K02. And sure enough he turned base and overshot final approach and had to rack it back to get lined up. He over flew a third of the runway before touch down and I thought he would do a touch and go, but he laid on the brakes and got it stopped about 200 yards before he ran out of runway. He had flattened the tires on the main gear. Saberliner's crash truck drove down to the jet. The pilot shut down the engines, popped the canopy and climbed down. Then the emergency vehicles, fire, ambulance and sheriff came. The airport manager came by and told me the story. Two F15s were out and about when one had a fire indicator light come on. They were diverted to K02. The one with the problem was the first one I heard, and he landed with out any problem. But the one that I watched was the wing man. They closed the airport and the sheriff stayed to keep anyone away from the plane on the runway because it was armed with missiles. He was going to have to stay until the military showed up with security, spares and repair personnel. While I was in the main office washing up, they called over to see if they could get 18,000 pounds of jet fuel, but there was only 1,000 pounds left in the tank. Maybe tomorrow the airport will be open again. If you would like to see some of the repairs I made, I put up some photos and description at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly103.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart(at)ldd.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 26, 2004
From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject: FireFly Is Ready To Go
> >I think that it is reasonable for you to limit power not through rpm but >through a throttle stop that can not be changed by the pilot in flight. >Then you could re-pitch to get decent rpm even though you would be at >reduced power. This would be the ultralight legal flight configuration for >the aircraft. Limiting power with a throttle stop is just as reasonable as >limiting speed by cranking in prop pitch. I think that as long as you can >not change it in flight it would be acceptable to the feds. I don't think >that you're at a dead end for 103-7 legality yet. > > Topher, You are correct. In my case it is kind of a catch 22 problem. If the hp is available, one becomes greedy and I want to use the maximum hp that my FireFly configuration allows. By limiting the engine rpm with increased propeller pitch and assuming Simonini's performance curves are correct, one can be sure that you are getting the 38 hp at 5,200 rpm. The Feds are supposed to go by published data. So if I set the prop to top the engine out at 6,000 rpm and then use a throttle stop to keep engine rpm from going above 5,200, I will be getting much less than 38 hp out of the engine. To get out of this dilemma and since the Feds are supposed to go with the published data, it would be better to go with an under rated or untuned engine. The MZ34 is rated at 27 hp and has a displacement of 313 cc. If one puts a tuned exhaust on it and assuming it will perform as well as a Simonini engine, it should crank out close to 38 hp. By reducing the official engine hp to 27, one can legally decrease FireFly drag with fairings on the landing gear and add a full enclosure. This coupled with about fifty pounds less engine should let the FireFly top out at well over 60 mph on 27 hp. If it sounds like I am trying to sell my self on changing engines, I am. I have purchased an MZ34 and it is sitting on the counter of the family room. I am getting older, and I am having trouble flying in the winter time with my head sticking out in the breese. To stay warm, I wear a neck and head socks under my soft flying helmet and an LL-Bean cold weather outfit. I can stay warm but I can not turn my head but a few degrees, so on EAA Chapter meeting flights I have to wallow about to see if there is other traffic in the area. I hope to make a flip up and down short windshield that will cover my head and to leave the sides open. I hope to fly the Simonini engine through the summer and fall. I have learned a lot from the Simonini engine. At first I was worried whether it was a true 48 hp engine, but when I cut the prop and cranked in the pitch, I found it was much stronger than the Rotax 447. I would never go back to a piston ported engine. The reed valve engine is much more civil and burns much less fuel. The FireFly is the best retirement toy I could have or hope to have. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart(at)ldd.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Masqqqqqqq(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 27, 2004
Subject: Firefly vs. UltraStar
I've flown a 1984 UltraStar for 10 years now. I love it, but have only logged time in a QuickSilver Sprint to compare. I'm looking forward to getting a new machine, something 103 legal (not that the UltraStar isn't 103 legal, harumph harumph) and would like to hear from anyone with flight time in both the UltraStar and the FireFly. How do they compare in flight characteristics, landing and takeoff, etc. Is the different thrust line noticeable? (the firefly has the high engine, the ultrastar has the low engine) My UltraStar has a Rotax 447 with a B box, turning a 2 blade Precision Propeller. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 27, 2004
Subject: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Mike Pierzina Subject: Kolb Wing Fold Bracket http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.03.27.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 27, 2004
Subject: [ Steve Garvelink ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Steve Garvelink Subject: Looking for the history of this Kolb... http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/link@cdc.net.03.27.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 27, 2004
Subject: [ Danny Bradshaw ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Danny Bradshaw Subject: Shadow Pictures http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/piperj5@shtc.net.03.27.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Santa Maria CA Fly-in (April 30-May 2)
Date: Mar 27, 2004
Hello everyone! With Matt Dralle's blessing (thank you, Matt!), I'm pleased to post this announcement for a terrific aviation fly-in weekend. SMXgig (in Santa Maria, CA) has become the year's largest face-to-face get-together of electronically networked aviators. We hope you'll plan to attend because we expect this year's gig to be the best ever. People come from all over the country (and sometimes overseas) to attend, and most of the sessions qualify for FAA Wings cards. The dates are 4/30-5/2/04 (Friday-Sunday) - it's a lot of fun, and a great chance for pilots from all over to mingle and share aviation stories, ideas, etc. The announcement below contains most of the crucial information, and you can get the rest from the website (www.smxgig.org). If you have any questions at all, just let me know, and thanks! ~~Cory Emberson KHWD >>> NOTICE TO AIRMEN! <<< Announcing the Sixteenth Annual SMXgig to be held on April 30 - May 2, 2004 at the Radisson on the Santa Maria (CA) Airport (aka SMX) www.smxgig.org SMXgig will be April 30 - May 2, 2004, at the Santa Maria Radisson. This year, our featured speaker after Friday night's dinner will be Rod Machado! "MACH 2 WITH MACHADO" is the byline Rod Machado has earned for his rapid fire delivery at his lively safety seminars and keynote speeches. His programs are information-packed, energetic, and humorous. He has spoken in all fifty of the United States and in Europe sharing his fresh approach to aviation education. If you can make it, please do. It's going to be pretty special. More information and the announcement/ registration info is available at www.smxgig.org You may also contact me by email at: cory(at)smxgig.org. All technical sessions will be held in the Enterprise Ballroom at the SMX Radisson. Each session will last about an hour. We schedule four tech sessions on Saturday morning, and four on Sunday morning. Most of the speakers are set (I'm still firming up a couple of slots - I'm working on a session about Experimentals): MIKE BUSCH - The Art and Science of Troubleshooting Your A frequently, that person is you. That's particularly true of problems that occur only in-flight and/or are intermittent. This session offers methodology for troubleshooting aimed at aircraft owners who aren't A&Ps. ED WILLIAMS - GPS - How It Works, and How to Work It Ed is a nuclear physicist working at Lawrence Livermore Labs. Ed does a remarkable job of making physics phun! BRENT BLUE, M.D. - Pilot Medicals: How to Avoid Problems with the FAA Brent is an AME Advocate, who specializes in helping the tough cases renew their medicals. He's a former member of EAA's medical advisory committee. DOUG RITTER - Equipping Yourself To Survive - Personal Survival Gear for Pilots Doug is a survival evangelist, personally driven to help pilots live through whatever comes next. www.equipped.org PAUL MILLNER - The Future of Avgas Paul works with ChevronTexaco, and is right in the middle of the industry developments regarding our fuel of choice. MARY DUFFY & UWE LEMKE - Flying in Europe Mary and Uwe are a Scot and a German who live in the San Francisco Bay Area, but return "home" often. As always, each qualifying session will get you a WINGS Safety Session card. Our Saturday evening event should be a delicious one! At 5:45 p.m., the BFUB (Big Fat Ugly Bus) will arrive at the Santa Maria Radisson to bring us to the Far Western Tavern for dinner in beautiful Guadalupe (www.farwesterntavern.com). DOLLARS AND CENTS Just as in previous years, there will be one flat all-encompassing "gig" fee that covers all events that involve significant out-of-pocket costs for the organizers. The fee is $160 per person, and will cover: - Friday afternoon welcome party - Friday evening dinner banquet - Saturday and Sunday tech sessions - Saturday afternoon lunch - Saturday evening dinner at the Far Western Tavern in Guadalupe - Meeting rooms and coffee service at the Santa Maria Radisson - Transportation to (and from) the Far Western Tavern Lodging at the SMX Radisson will cost $89.00/night for either a single or double room, which is far below the regular hotel room rate. Be sure you check in as a SMXgig attendee and get the special rate. We have our definitive preference listed with the hotel for rampside rooms - early registration can only help, but of course, the rampside rooms are subject to availability depending on how many existing guests are in those rooms. You do not need to register with the hotel - just give me your preferences, and I will take care of the reservations. Important: This year, our final rooming lists are due to the hotel on April 11, 2004 (the even of Sun 'n Fun), which will guarantee space and the group rate. The hotel will accept additional room reservations after that, on a space- and rate-available basis. They will try their best to accommodate us after that date, but the hotel is already sold out for the weekend. The website (www.smxgig.org) has detailed information about the schedule, meals, hotel accommodations, and online registration. If you'd like your own announcement/registration emailed to you, or have any other questions, just let me know. (cory(at)smxgig.org or bootless(at)earthlink.net ). Thanks, and see you there! best, Cory Emberson ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 27, 2004
From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject: FireFly Strut Rattle Fix and In Flight Noise Level
FireFlyers & Kolbers, The miserable Winter gave me time to work on several projects. The last week has been un flyable due to wind and rain, but the temps have been in the 60's and 70's. This has let me spend some time in the hangar working on the FireFly. One of the things that has bothered me is strut noise as one taxies to and from the runway. If it is noticeable with a sound suppression head set, it must be very loud. Today I installed my solution, and it seems to work well. It can be seen at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly104.html Flew a little (twenty minutes) in misty rain. After over a month of being land bound, it was great fun. I took my sound meter with me to check out noise level at 5,200 rpm cruise. It measured 111 db which is equivalent to someone shouting into your ear. My pickup truck with the windows up and the radio off registers 87 db at 60 mph on smooth concrete road. If you would like to read up a little on what noise can do to you, here is a jump: http://www.healthyconnections.com/hear/info/noise.html The passive noise reduction headset I am using is knocking most of the noise down by about 20 db, so this gets what I hear down to about 91 db which is over the 85 db threshold for hearing damage. What it is telling me is that I should go back to my ANR headset which will, on the average, drop 34 db and get what I hear at cruise down to 77 db. It is a little late for me, but I have to protect what hearing I have left. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart(at)ldd.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: FireFly Strut Rattle Fix and In Flight Noise Level
Date: Mar 28, 2004
| One of the things that has bothered me is strut noise as one taxies to and | from the runway. | Jack & Louise Hart Jack/Gents: To cut down on vibration, rattle, and elongating the lift strut holes, I have always used bolts and nyloc nuts, in conjunction with bushings, to snug everything up so it can not move. I noticed in your pictures you were still using clevis pins. It doesn't take much more time to remove the nut and bolt than it does the clevis pin. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 28, 2004
From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly Strut Rattle Fix and In Flight Noise
Level > > | One of the things that has bothered me is strut noise as one taxies >to and >| from the runway. > >| Jack & Louise Hart > >Jack/Gents: > >To cut down on vibration, rattle, and elongating the lift strut holes, >I have always used bolts and nyloc nuts, in conjunction with bushings, >to snug everything up so it can not move. > >I noticed in your pictures you were still using clevis pins. It >doesn't take much more time to remove the nut and bolt than it does >the clevis pin. > >Take care, > >john h > John, My choice has to do with weight and trying to keep the FireFly ultra light vehicle legal. A clevis pin is lighter that the bolt that would replace it and vinyl tubing is lighter than metal bushings. And since all of these connections are made up of shear loads, clevis pin use is appropriate. One must be careful about cinching down shear load connections. If alignment is a little off, the tightening down of the connection can pre load the surrounding members and can reduce the maximum working load for those members. Also a structure containing the connection cannot flex relative to load application which may cause the same and/or additional effect. When you are forced to build light, one wants minimize any possible hidden stresses or loads in the structure. Does this mean that Kolbs will fall out of the air if a bolt is used instead of a clevis pin? Probably not, but a little movement can be a good thing. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart(at)ldd.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: FireFly Strut Rattle Fix and In Flight Noise Level
Date: Mar 28, 2004
| My choice has to do with weight and trying to keep the FireFly ultra light | vehicle legal. A clevis pin is lighter that the bolt that would replace it | and vinyl tubing is lighter than metal bushings. And since all of these | connections are made up of shear loads, clevis pin use is appropriate. | Jack B. Hart FF004 Jack/Gang: Your choice of vinyl tubing to reduce or eliminate rattling noise during taxi is probably correct. However, to eliminate vibration wear and elongation of the lift strut attachments, one must go to bushings, bolts, nuts and washers. It is startling how quickly these holes will wear and elongate. I experienced this on the Ultrastar and went to bolts and bushings on the FS and MKIII. Haven't experienced any problems with this set up. A good example of bolting down shear points would be the 3/8" bolt that goes through the wing main spar and the tail boom "H" braces. Same for the universal joints on the drag struts. You are correct though, when attempting to keep weight down. Every little bolt, washer, nut add up in the end. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Timandjan(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 28, 2004
Subject: Re: Sun & Fun Hanger Fly-Inn
I am flying down with a local fellow in his Albatros, not the Kolb but it should make for a great week. I plan to camp somewhere if not in the Albatros itself. Anyways, if someone has a car, I will buy the beer for the meeting. Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 28, 2004
Subject: q
From: kinnepix <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net>
Kolbers -- Im not recommending this, but anyone with a steel-tube aircraft may find it interesting -- I knew a Marine Salvage man in the Bahamas & Caribbean. He had a tube-&-fabric 4-seat floatplane on board his mother-ship, hoisted aboard & launched again by crane. It was invaluable and saved him TONS of time and effort. But this is some of the saltiest water on earth, and it chews up aluminum aircraft very quickly; so he wanted a fabric-covered aircraft. He went to the factory, where they filled all the steel tubes of a fuselage with a light oil, and sealed it shut, then finished building the plane around it. Steel tubes rust from the inside out, and this protects them beautifully, tho it does add about 20lbs to the empty weight. If anyone flies a Kolb regularly from salt water, this might be worth considering. Russ Kinne ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: q
Date: Mar 28, 2004
| Im not recommending this, but anyone with a steel-tube aircraft may find it | interesting -- Steel tubes rust from the inside out, and this protects them | beautifully, tho it does add about 20lbs to the empty weight. | If anyone flies a Kolb regularly from salt water, this might be worth | considering. | Russ Kinne Hi Russ/Gang: I bought a quart of Stitts Tube Seal in 1984 to do my Ultrastar. Then I did my FS, and also my MK III. I am a firm believer in tube seal to prevent internal corrosion in 4130 tube fuselages. Never had a fuselage yet, that came from the welding shop and did not have some pin holes, at least, for moisture to invade the inside of those unprotected tubes. Not being able to see the corrosion inside the tubes does not make the problem go away. I have had plenty occasions to inspect the inside of the tubes on my FS and US. Some of the tubes I missed treating with tube seal had a goodly amount of rust inside. It is a simple task to treat a fuselage. I use 1/8" drill bit and 1/8" aluminum closed end pop rivets. Run down to Doc Bryson's office, Ernie's Vet, and pick up a good size syringe and some big needles. The syringe is marked in CC's and the formula for the amount of tube seal is indicated in CC's per inch of what ever size tubing diameter. Your friend's fuselage must have been really big to hold twenty pound of tube seal. I am still working on the first quart I bought 20 years ago. Some of my friends have also done their Kolb's out of my quart of tube seal. Take care and thanks for the info, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Flight planning website for Michigan pilots
Date: Mar 28, 2004
For those of you who fly in Michigan, at least the lower eastern part of it, here's a website that might be useful: http://www.staliteaviation.com/pops/ul_flight_planner.html -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Riverside Air Show
Date: Mar 28, 2004
Hey Lar, Good news on the completion! Hope you take some pics of the damage and make him pay, sounds like he really needs to make it right by you. Don't let him off the hook! Ed in JXN (Mich) MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Riverside Air Show > (Snip) A week ago, I found where the guy who built my landing gear had possibly trial fitted them with a crowbar and sledgehammer, and broken the master switch, smashed the crowbar circuit breaker, and damaged some related wiring behind the passenger's seat. He also damaged some wiring behind the instrument panel, and tore some pretty good sized holes in the fabric, running the brake lines. I have seldom in my life felt the level of blinding rage that hit me when I realized what I was seeing. After jerking me around for 4 months, and the enormous price he ripped me off for .................aaaaarrrrgghhhh..........hadta walk away from it. (Snip) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject: Using Velcro
Date: Mar 28, 2004
I have been replacing all of the "velcro" on metal wing gap cover of my FireFly and this is what I have learned so far. The generic "velcro" sold in fabric stores and department stores is not the genuine stuff. Real Velcro is made or licensed to be made by the Velcro Co of Manchester N.H. It has Velcro written all over it and is a quality product. There are two grades or strengths. One is the standard grade which is most common and can be used in most light applications. I used this on my plane and it did O.K. but wore out to the point where it would no longer hold after about 150 hours and ~ as many wing foldings. The next grade is "Industrial Strength". It has a 50% more grip strength and, of course, costs more. A magnified exam shows that it has better hooks and more fuzz. The original "vecro" was glued on with Polytak and stayed in place fairly well but I had to re-glue some areas where it had separated from the aluminum gap cover and I always kept an eye on it. The industrial grade I just installed came with an adhesive back. This backing is so sticky that once it is applied it is there to stay. If it ever needs replacing I will scrap the whole cover and make new one from scratch. The hooks-to-fuzz grip is so tight on the new Velcro that I am thinking I may need a tool that would look something like a fly swatter to separate the mating surfaces without putting any creases in the aluminum sections during removal. The industrial grade is available from Staples by phone or on-line but not from the standard retail store stock. I paid ~$28 for 15' delivered to my door by Staples in two days. I am now trying to figure out how to get the old "velcro" off of top side of my wing root. It was Polytaked to the inboard rib and adjacent fabric and does not want to pull off. If I try to use M.E.K. it will not go through the velcro's non-porus backing but will dissolve the Poly spray finish and make a big mess. I may just Polytak the new Velcro onto the old "velcro". 'Open to suggestions on this item. 'Hope to get back in the air before we head for Las Vegas next Sunday... Retirement is great Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: q
Date: Mar 29, 2004
John, I've got an area under the driver's seat of Vamoose that has some holes drilled for rivets that I plan to replace with clecos for easier cleaning and maintenance. (fuel pump and filter mounting plate) If I tube seal those things, will the tube seal leak out past the clecos ?? Might just be worth cleaning up a little mess from time to time, and re-sealing them periodically, eh ?? Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q > > | Im not recommending this, but anyone with a steel-tube aircraft may > find it > | interesting -- > Steel tubes rust from the inside out, and this protects them > | beautifully, tho it does add about 20lbs to the empty weight. > | If anyone flies a Kolb regularly from salt water, this might be > worth > | considering. > | Russ Kinne > > Hi Russ/Gang: > > I bought a quart of Stitts Tube Seal in 1984 to do my Ultrastar. Then > I did my FS, and also my MK III. I am a firm believer in tube seal to > prevent internal corrosion in 4130 tube fuselages. Never had a > fuselage yet, that came from the welding shop and did not have some > pin holes, at least, for moisture to invade the inside of those > unprotected tubes. > > Not being able to see the corrosion inside the tubes does not make the > problem go away. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Using Velcro
Date: Mar 29, 2004
Try getting it real warm (hot) with a heat gun, Duane. Should peel right off. Going to "Lost Wages," NV, huh ?? Take lotsa money. :-) Have you been there before ?? Weather at this time of year is perfect............you should have a great time. I'm gonna find out about that "retirement" stuff in about 7 months..........old age is too valuable to waste with working. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Using Velcro > > I have been replacing all of the "velcro" on metal wing gap cover of my FireFly and this is what I have learned so far. > > I am now trying to figure out how to get the old "velcro" off of top side of my wing root. It was Polytaked to the inboard rib and adjacent fabric and does not want to pull off. If I try to use M.E.K. it will not go through the velcro's non-porus backing but will dissolve the Poly spray finish and make a big mess. I may just Polytak the new Velcro onto the old "velcro". 'Open to suggestions on this item. > > 'Hope to get back in the air before we head for Las Vegas next Sunday... Retirement is great > > Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: q
Date: Mar 29, 2004
| If I tube seal those things, will the tube seal leak out past the clecos ?? Might | just be worth cleaning up a little mess from time to time, and re-sealing | them periodically, eh ?? Lar. Morning Larry/All: Yes, most definitely, the tube seal will leak/crawl past the clecoes. That is what makes this stuff work so well. I few CC's in the tube through an 1/8" hole and it completely coats the inside wall of the tubing. It also will find any pin hole or other, leaking out a little to let you know that it has found that hole. Usually seals it up if it is not too large. I can show you a lot of places on my airplane where the tube seal has leaked out a little. It is also a good indicator if there happens to be a stress crack beneath the paint. Soon it will leak through and let you know. That is how I discovered stress cracks in my tail post. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Timandjan(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 29, 2004
Subject: Removing Velcro.
I also am trying to remove the original Velcro, the self stick kind, it's on very strong. I called Stits and they suggest using their cleaner, C2210 cleaning solvent, Got some but have not tried it more than testing it. Seesm like anythign strong enough to eat the glue will also eat the polytone. Anybody else have other hints to remove the old velcro on the fabric wing? Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2004
From: Bob Bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Removing Velcro.
The most useful solvent in my shop is good old lacquer thinner. Try cutting a towel or similar absorbant material to the same shape as the velcro, soak it with thinner and position it directly over the velcro. To retain the thinner in this application cover the whole thing with a strip of aluminum foil. If the old adhesive has any live plasticizer in it it may soften enough for you to peel it off. -give it at least 30 minutes to work. There is a possibility it's reached the same stage as old duct tape that has been left in the sun too long and it just plain won't soften, in that case 3M makes some dandy little abrasive pads for use on the end of a dremel tool that will, with some patience, remove the velcro. I used them for removing old gasket material from pump flanges back in the days when I worked for a living. -BB Timandjan(at)aol.com wrote: > >I also am trying to remove the original Velcro, the self stick kind, it's on >very strong. I called Stits and they suggest using their cleaner, C2210 >cleaning solvent, Got some but have not tried it more than testing it. Seesm >like anythign strong enough to eat the glue will also eat the polytone. > >Anybody else have other hints to remove the old velcro on the fabric wing? > >Tim > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2004
From: Charlie & Meredith Blackwell <wozani(at)optonline.net>
Subject: Velcro removal
Duane from Tallahassee; Those different grades of Velcro make a world of difference. On an auto I was restoring I ran into similar trouble with a rear battery cover that had the velcro on the carpet and the metal. I took a grinding/sanding wheel to it, one of those wheels that look like a black sponge but is for removing paint and rust. A little gentle grind here and there and the stuff tore up enough that some acetone soaked in and loosened the rest off. I would be extremely careful of scratching any structural aluminum though. Luck to you Charlie, MKII Twinstar, NJ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Velcro removal
Date: Mar 29, 2004
Did you try heat yet? A good rule to remember when doing any kind of repair/removal is always use the least destructive method first. In this case I believe it's heat. In the Navy, the 4790 (aviation maintenance bible)or the corrosion manaual, I can't remember which, had repair tracks which listed, in order of preferrence,methods for repair. The AC 43.13 might have something similar. I'd have to check. You can download it in .PDF format at the FAA web site. Guy Morgan (galveston, TX Kolber wanna-be) From: Charlie Meredith Blackwell wozani(at)optonline.net Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Blackwell wozani(at)optonline.net Duane from Tallahassee; Those different grades of Velcro make a world of difference. On an auto I was restoring I ran into similar trouble with a rear battery cover that had the velcro on the carpet and the metal. I took a grinding/sanding wheel to it, one of those wheels that look like a black sponge but is for removing paint and rust. A little gentle grind here and there and the stuff tore up enough that some acetone soaked in and loosened the rest off. I would be extremely careful of scratching any structural aluminum though. Luck to you Charlie, MKII Twinstar, NJ http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2746??PS=">All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2004
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Velco removal
Just went through this process with my FireFly a month ago. I tried various products said to remove sticky glues, including the new citrus stuff. To my surprise the best remover was good ole gas right out of my fuel container. It did a much better job than anything else and won't touch the Poly Fiber paints. Give it a try, soaking with gas seems to work for me, Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2004
From: "Bob N." <ronoy(at)shentel.net>
Subject: Re: tubing oil
Ed in JAX mentioned using boiled linseed oil. Yes that's what we used some 50 yrs ago. But don't just boil up some linseed oil! Boiled linseed oil comes already boiled--and hdwr/paint store has it. I also use it as the liquid part of grout for making stained glass windows. Bob N. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2004
From: Richard Pike <rwpike(at)charter.net>
Subject: Parachute Rigger
Years ago I bought a Second Chantz soft pack ballistic chute just before they went out of business (Timing is everything) and getting it repacked has been iffy. Found a rigger in Kentucky that was easy to work with, reasonable, and very satisfactory. If you have a chute other than a BRS and need the soft pack redone, here is their web site, ask for Jim Moore. http://www.parachuteriggers.com/ Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2004
From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject: Re: Removing Velcro.
> >I also am trying to remove the original Velcro, the self stick kind, it's on >very strong. I called Stits and they suggest using their cleaner, C2210 >cleaning solvent, Got some but have not tried it more than testing it. Seesm >like anythign strong enough to eat the glue will also eat the polytone. > >Anybody else have other hints to remove the old velcro on the fabric wing? > >Tim > Tim, I ran my Velcro to the back edge of the wing for the gap seal. Later when I put on the gap seal, I discovered I needed more underneath the front of the wing. The trick is to peel it off much like skinning an animal. Start with a corner and get a corner free and fold it back over the remaining material and keep tension on it. I used an old Xacto (sp?) knife with a curved blade in it to cut through the adhesive. To keep the adhesive from sticking to the knife, spray it with WD40. After you get the Velcro off, fold a paper towel over several times and lay it on the adhesive that remains on the fabric. Saturate the towel with WD40 and let is set for a while. Then dampen another paper towel with WD40 and gently rub and scrub the adhesive. It will not all come off at one time but after several iterations you will be able to get most of the adhesive off. The trick is to do a good job of adhesive skinning as you peel the Velcro. Kerosene should work just as good as WD40. Good Luck Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart(at)ldd.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 30, 2004
Subject: Re: FireFly Is Ready To Go
In a message dated 3/25/04 5:59:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbhart(at)ldd.net writes: > > The airport manager came by and told me the story. Two F15s were out and > about when one had a fire indicator light come on. They were diverted to > K02. The one with the problem was the first one I heard, and he landed with > > out any problem. But the one that I watched was the wing man. They closed > the airport and the sheriff stayed to keep anyone away from the plane on the > > runway because it was armed with missiles. He was going to have to stay > until the military showed up with security, spares and repair personnel. > > While I was in the main office washing up, they called over to see if they > could get 18,000 pounds of jet fuel, but there was only 1,000 pounds left in > > the tank. > > Maybe tomorrow the airport will be open again. If you would like to see > some of the repairs I made, I put up some photos and description > at: > > http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly103.html > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Jackson, MO > Great story Jack.....keep em comin George Randolph the Villages....firestar driver ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 30, 2004
Subject: Re: Riverside Air Show
In a message dated 3/28/04 6:09:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwpike(at)charter.net writes: > > cause 1 picture is so unusual that I've just gotta share > >it. Explanation is on the page > >at: http://www.tempics.homestead.com/doubles.html > > > >Larry Bourne > whadaneatopicture!! geez! george randolph seeyans at S n F at Swiderski's Kolb flyin....waddatrailor HE has!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject: pictures
Date: Mar 30, 2004
anyone tell me how to determine the size in dots per inch on a picture I have on my system? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 30, 2004
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Noise level
Jack, Richard, All, I took another step in the reduction of noise on my FireFly and thought I would share. As most of you know, I made a big improvement in the sound level by cutting my prop tips to the Top Flight configuration. After doing that, it became clear that most of the noise I was hearing was from the carburetor intake. So, I decided to pursue that. After looking around at ideas and asking for information to build my own silencer, I finally conceded to purchase the one made by Rotax. Was able to purchase one at a reduced price and thought it would be worth the experiment. Richard, I was surprised when I got the silencer that the two ports that are inserted into the plastic chamber are of the same length which goes counter to what I was told is the science of sound wave cancellation. The good news is that it works!! I guess who ever engineered this for Rotax must know something. I did have to mount the silencer upside down to allow my being able to fold the wings, but this turned into an advantage in that the air filter is facing rearward now and not taking the blast of the air stream head on. This also made it easier to make the mounting brackets which I attached to the engine cowling. I changed the main jet to #155 as recommended by Rotax for a 447 and had expected some loss of performance or having to mess with needle position, etc. To my great surprise and pleasure, everything stayed the same. EG temps, CH temps, RPM and performance were the same!!! Wonder if my fuel use will change because of the smaller main? Will have to fly some more to determine that. Anyway, I'm pleased with the further reduction in noise. With my standard passive headset on, I have less noise then driving down the highway with the windows open. Don't have a DB meter to give any definitive numbers. Now , I'm hearing the prop chopping because of it's close clearance to the aileron tube. Having a wood prop keeps me from putting a spacer on. So I'm looking at Jack's idea of fairing the aileron tube to cut turbulence. Think I will make up some temporary fairings and tape them on to evaluate. Sorry for the long post, hope it's of some value to the list, Terry - Firefly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject: Using Velcro
Date: Mar 30, 2004
I have seen about eight responses re my question on how to get the sticky-back Velcro off after it wears out. You folks are the kind that makes this list worthwhile. The use of solvents (gasoline, Goo-getter, mineral spirits etc) all require soaking to the adhesive through the Velcro strip. I found that the backing for this material was sealed air tight and would not allow the solvent to penetrate to the adhesive. The solvent would have to be worked in around the edges to do it's work. After an appropriate amount of agonizing I decided to try the heat gun first because it was the easiest. The heat was applied with a hair blower type gun, set at "lo" heat, with great care to keep it on the Velcro and away from the adjacent fabric. I could only do about four inches at a time but it worked and I had it all off in about 15 minutes. Whew! I re-activated the adhesive that remained on the fabric with a quick wipe of ascetone and applied the new "Industrial Strength" Velcro. It went on beautifully and looks like it will be plenty tight. One note of caution: The leading edge of the forward panel of my wing gap cover is mechanically locked in place but the back part has to be Velcroed so that the ballistic chute can blow the whole panel open if it is ever fired. The aft panel is locked in place by straps. I would not feel safe if the Velcro was the only thing holding the wing gap cover in place because I have learned that it does loose it's grip over time. Thanks for the help guys, Duane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject: reminder program
Date: Mar 30, 2004
anyone know of a downloadable reminder calender??, thought i had one on here,,but??"" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: reminder program
Date: Mar 30, 2004
I use Microsoft Works Calendar with great satisfaction. I think it is included in many computer software packages when sold by the retailer. If your PC did not have it I think you can buy a new version pretty cheap or find an older version free for download. I don't know where though. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: reminder program
Date: Mar 30, 2004
W_A_R_N_I_N_G____: Ron; I would be very suspect of the link to a free Date Manager program that you were told to visit ....... the primary concern is that it is another part of a T_E_R_R_I_B_L_E kind of company called GAIN. This company is responsible for MANY, MANY TRACKING PROGRAMS that are installed into unsuspecting users' machines when they think all they are doing is getting a nice little benign tool to assist in their daily, simple, tasks. It is far more of a SPYWARE program than anything that you will benefit from. NOT RECOMMENDED. George --- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Pearce" <rap(at)isp.com>
Subject: Mark 3 classic vs the xtra
Date: Mar 30, 2004
I recently purchased the wing kit for a Kolb Classic 3 from a fellow worker. As I under stand it I can still buy the classic or the xtra. How cramped is the classic? I keep hearing talk about how much more leg room the xtra has. I'm 6foot 3inches tall and weight 310. I'm planning on flying the plane as a single. I have never sat in a Kolb classic to see how cramped it is. Also is anyone flying the Kolb 3 with HKS700E engine? I would like a preformance report. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Mark 3 classic vs the xtra
Date: Mar 31, 2004
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Pearce" <rap(at)isp.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Mark 3 classic vs the xtra > > I recently purchased the wing kit for a Kolb Classic 3 from a fellow worker. As I under stand it I can still buy the classic or the xtra. How cramped is the classic? I keep hearing talk about how much more leg room the xtra has. I'm 6foot 3inches tall and weight 310. I'm planning on flying the plane as a single. I have never sat in a Kolb classic to see how cramped it is. > Also is anyone flying the Kolb 3 with HKS700E engine? I would like a preformance report. > > > Rick, Welcome to the Kolb list. I figured I would go ahead and put my three cents worth in and we'll see what others think. I fly a Classic with a little narrower enclosure than stock, I am 6' tall and 190#, plenty of room. I can take up to a 260 # passenger and stay within the weight and balance envelope but things get real cozy. I let a 300 + # fellow sit in my bird one day to see if he fit and the answer was a definite no. It was a width problem mostly, I don't think the door would even have shut. The Classic is not a smallish two seater, but it has its limitations. If you can, I suggest taking a trip down to TNK and try both on for size, I think you will find the Extra a better fit. On the subject of the HKS, it is on the under powered side for a Mk-3, it would perform similar to a Rotax 503 with a 3.47 to 1 gearbox and a large prop. This is not quite enough umph for either Mk-3 models "in my opinion". Homer and gang tried an HKS on a Slingshot some years back and thought it was under powered, I understand that HKS has made some improvements since these tests, but the Mk-3 is a lot more of a load than a Slingshot so I am sure it still would be marginal. Maybe someone else has first hand experience, also give Tom Olenik at Olenik Aviation a call, he sells the HKS and Rotax and could give you good info about it. Good Luck, and again welcome aboard. Denny Rowe, Mk-3, Leechburg, PA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject: Re: reminder program
Date: Mar 31, 2004
thanks george, i have not even looked at it yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reminder program > > W_A_R_N_I_N_G____: > > Ron; > > I would be very suspect of the link to a free > Date Manager program that you were told > to visit ....... the primary concern is that it is > another part of a T_E_R_R_I_B_L_E kind > of company called GAIN. > > This company is responsible for MANY, > MANY TRACKING PROGRAMS that are > installed into unsuspecting users' machines > when they think all they are doing is getting > a nice little benign tool to assist in their > daily, simple, tasks. It is far more of a > SPYWARE program than anything that you > will benefit from. > > NOT RECOMMENDED. > > George > > > --- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Mark 3 classic vs the xtra
Date: Mar 31, 2004
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Pearce" <rap(at)isp.com> > I recently purchased the wing kit for a Kolb Classic 3 from a fellow worker. As I under stand it I can still buy the classic or the xtra. Rick, Maybe another possibility would be using your wings on a Kolbra fuselage. I think the only differances are the root ribs wing attatch fitting, the angle of the wings strut attatch fitting, and that the Kolbra has flaperons instead of flaps and ailerons. The Kolbra may have more room for larger pilots, and you would have a little faster bird. Since you would be flying solo most of the time I think the inline seating would be a lot more enjoyable. Just a thought. Denny Rowe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: wing angle
Date: Mar 31, 2004
Changing the angle that the wings are mounted to the fuselage is changing the angle of incidence and does not change the angle of attack. Angle of attack is set by the mount of lift that the wing needs to generate in order to support the amount of weight you are carrying. If you want to fly at lower angle of attack you need to go faster or reduce the weight. Lowering the incidence angle sets the minimum drag angle of the plane, more incidence optimizes for lower airspeed. If you reduced the wing incidence you would have to change the landing gear and tail angles as well. Once you have done this the only thing that would change in flight is the drag of the fuselage. The rest of the plane would be flying the same as it was before. Since you can only get a few degrees out of the change you described I don't think you would even be able to tell that you did it. Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject: North East Kolb gathering
Date: Mar 31, 2004
Nor Easters, Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville Fathers Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion? I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it. Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Thom Riddle" <jtriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: North East Kolb gathering
Date: Mar 31, 2004
I, for one, hope to be there. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: North East Kolb gathering
Date: Mar 31, 2004
Never heard of it. Where is it? -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> Subject: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering > > Nor Easters, > Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville Fathers Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion? > I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it. > Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Heat Treated Steel Gear Legs
Date: Mar 31, 2004
Hi Gang: Pulled the gear legs off Miss P'fer today. Took them out to the Wetumpka Airport to use my buddy's 20 ton press. Fun having all that power under one hand. Made a couple blocks to hold the legs and one to press on from some 2X4 stud material. Amazing how far 20 tons will compress white pine, or what ever kind of tree they saw those 2X4's. This was the first time I had tried straightening steel legs. It worked great. I sorta snuck up on them, until I got the feel of how far to go beyond straight to get them to hold where I wanted them to. Actually, it took a lot more opposite bend to convince them to straighten up than I thought. Now I have an idea how much load I put on the left leg to get that much bend in it. I think it was the result of several really hard landings. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 31, 2004
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Re: North East Kolb gathering
Denny Rowe wrote: > > Nor Easters, > Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville Fathers Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion? > I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it. > Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA > Dennis, Yes I have been keeping a list. So far I have about eighteen people with a couple of maybe's. I was going to wait a little longer and ask for a better count as we near that time. I spoke to the owner of Shreveport North where the Fathers Day fly-in is held and he said all are welcome. Will be getting more info out soon. Hope to meet you there. I assume you saw my earlier post that I had spoken to Homer and we are welcome to drop in at his place to say Hello! Hope this helps, Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James, Ken" <KDJames(at)berkscareer.com>
Subject: North East Kolb gathering
Date: Apr 01, 2004
I plan to go by car since my kolb is still in tube form :-) Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Monument Valley Reservations
Date: Apr 01, 2004
Kolb Friends attending MV in May - I just called Goulding's Campground in Monument Valley to make my tent-camping reservations. Here is some info that I think is important to pass on: We (Kolb Group) probably should make our reservations soon. Unlike last year, where Big Lar informed us that campground reservations were not really necessary, this year is different. It will be crowded at the campgrounds the weekend of 14-16 May. I spoke with Rod, at campground reservations (435) 727-3231. He told me that there will be a large RV group staying that weekend (32 vehicles!) which will take up half the campgrounds. If any of you are planning on taking your RV to the Kolb Group get-together (*Az Dave*), then I recommend you make reservations soon. I informed Rod that there will be several of us ("Kolb Group") who are planning on staying at the campgrounds that weekend, but I only made a reservation for myself. Rod said he could put all of us "Kolb Group" tent campers in the same area we had last year. That was a lot of fun - I hope we get the same arrangements. Full-hookup RV sites are $26 per night; tent sites are $16 per 2 persons, plus $3 per additional person. Campground facilities include firepits at the campsites, restrooms with showers, indoor swimming pool, grocery store and a restaurant. Goulding's also has a nice lodge with 62 rooms, at $68 per night. There is a gas station 100 yards from the airstrip. Looking forward to seeing you all there. I will be driving up from the Albuquerque area, my Mark-3 in tow. With training wheels. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, Verner-1400, Powerfin-72 Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2004
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Fathers Day fly-in
Thom and others, Not knowing what your plans are for staying over at the NE Fathers Day Fly-in at Shreveport North Airport, I thought I should mention that there is very limited housing available there in the "Bunkhouse". You would need to contact them as soon as possible if you are interested. Go to www.footlightranch.com and all the information is there. Keep your fingers crossed for good weather!!!!! Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave Rains <rr(at)htg.net>
Subject: Monument Valley Reservations
Date: Apr 01, 2004
Thanks for the reminder. I'm really looking forward to it. I may have to put my Alaska trip on hold, building a new house. Now, If I can just get Will home one day earlier..... Dave Rains C175 N8086T RANS S12 sorry, no Kolb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chuck Davis - Comcast" <davis207(at)comcast.net>
"Kolb-List Digest List"
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 03/31/04
Date: Apr 01, 2004
I plan on being there. In fact, I took last Friday off work (first nice flying day in months!) and flew from near Princeton NJ out that way to within gliding distance of Homer's field. Just a little scouting trip. As I learned at the Engineer Officer Basic Cousre (EOBC) "There is no substitute for a physical reconnaissance" Looking to seeing everyone there! Chuck Davis Princeton, NJ FireFly #028 From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> Subject: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering Nor Easters, Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville Fathers Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion? I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it. Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2004
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: (no subject)
Denny, Let me know when you are coming in this way on your breakout flight. Would like to make your acquaintance. Luray is going to fire up his new Jabiru engine this saturday and I and another UL'er are going to be there to witness the initial blast. We helped him mount the engine several weeks ago. He getting very itchy to get flying again. He should be more than ready for our NE Fathers Day Fly-in. If you have any influence on the weather gods, work on good weather for this years fly-in. Weather hasn't been real agreeable around here lately either. Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2004
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 03/31/04
Chuck Davis - Comcast wrote: > > I plan on being there. In fact, I took last Friday off work (first nice > flying day in months!) and flew from near Princeton NJ out that way to > within gliding distance of Homer's field. Just a little scouting trip. As > I learned at the Engineer Officer Basic Cousre (EOBC) "There is no > substitute for a physical reconnaissance" > > Looking to seeing everyone there! > > Chuck Davis > Princeton, NJ > FireFly #028 > Chuck, Last Friday was a decent day for flying around here. Did you have any problem finding Homers farm? Your on the list! Looking forward to meeting you at the fly-in Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2004
From: "johnjung(at)compusenior.com" <johnjung(at)compusenior.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley Reservations
Monument Valley veterans, Is insurance required to attend? I have a chance to attend Monument Valley with my Firestar this May, and I am currently working on getting insured, but I don't know if the paperwork will be done by the Fly-In. John Jung ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley Reservations
Date: Apr 02, 2004
Last year they said it was required, but nobody ever checked. Rob was there this morning, and my reservations with the rest of the group are confirmed. Fri thru Sun nights. Good news ! ! ! Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <johnjung(at)compusenior.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Reservations > > Monument Valley veterans, > > Is insurance required to attend? I have a chance to attend Monument > Valley with my Firestar this May, and I am currently working on getting > insured, but I don't know if the paperwork will be done by the Fly-In. > > John Jung > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: extra parts
Date: Apr 03, 2004
Paul, Those should be for constructing the center section between the wings, but there should be three of them I think. Steven ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Windshield
Date: Apr 05, 2004
You may remember my adventures with Vamoose' sandblasted and sun-baked windshield a while back. I tried using the Novus on a lambswool buffer on my random orbit sander, and it did OK........better than it was after trying it by hand. BUT..........a few weeks later, it had deteriorated again, and I was amazed at how bad it had gotten and how fast. No question now. Yesterday I did the passenger side; today the drivers' side. Took some pics yesterday, and just now added one to the webpage I'd built before. Take a look at it at: http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/sandblast.html . Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: Windshield
Date: Apr 05, 2004
Do we even have to tell you to keep this one covered? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne Subject: Kolb-List: Windshield You may remember my adventures with Vamoose' sandblasted and sun-baked windshield a while back. I tried using the Novus on a lambswool buffer on my random orbit sander, and it did OK........better than it was after trying it by hand. BUT..........a few weeks later, it had deteriorated again, and I was amazed at how bad it had gotten and how fast. No question now. Yesterday I did the passenger side; today the drivers' side. Took some pics yesterday, and just now added one to the webpage I'd built before. Take a look at it at: http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/sandblast.html . Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2004
From: "johnjung(at)compusenior.com" <johnjung(at)compusenior.com>
Subject: Monument Valley and insurance
Monument Vally Group, I have reservations to camp, and I'll be bringing my Firestar in a trailer. Looking forward to seeing the area from the air, as well as visiting with fellow Kolb flyers. Thanks to all that offered advise on insurance. I am getting insurance through the USUA program. It seems strange that my plane needs to be registered twice, but the savings are significant. I needed the insurance soon, anyway because it is a requirement to get a hanger at Buckeye. John Jung Firestar II N6163J ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject: harness
Date: Apr 06, 2004
any body know "where/how/best place" to attatch shoulder belts? on a ultrastar.picture maybe. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: harness
Date: Apr 06, 2004
From: "Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield(at)kcc.com>
Ron, I've got a picture how ours is I'll send to you. Mine angles back and wraps around the rear uprights on the rear of the cage, near the boom tube. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronnie wehba Subject: Kolb-List: harness any body know "where/how/best place" to attatch shoulder belts? on a ultrastar.picture maybe. == == == == This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ============================================================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: one for the archives
Date: Apr 06, 2004
Hi fellow Kolb builders,flyers, Just before heading to the shop, I thought I would share a thought that came to mind about this network of Kolb builders/flyers we have. Having others over to look over your work is a major plus. Even though your fellow Kolb brother may rag you with your approach to the building process, we can all learn from one another. Be it, what to do, or what not to do, it's still an important part of the building process. I had the pleasure of having Will Uribe over this past weekend and learned from him to place the AN bolts into the lift strut tang before riveting it and bolting it to the spar! Well I turned to my complotted wing on the wall and said "Oops" These type of things are nowhere in the plans. Every time someone visits me I learn something about this kit. Pick up on a trick or a better way to make a part. It's amazing! John Williamson is planning on dropping in here on the way back from Sun$Fun and I can only dream of what he will be able to offer. One has to think of this process as a matter of (Building an Aircraft). Kit aircraft companies go thought several different people in their history making parts and airframes. So this would make our airplanes (No two are alike custom birds) At any rate, the fine folks at TNK have stepped up at every request and performed flawlessly. I hade a slight problem with a part on my fuselage today and Travis and Bryan nailed it and the right stuff is on the way! Correction, I stated earlier that the Kolbra had no gap seal. Wrong! It does have a small one but most fly the Kolbra aircraft before making one and there is no mention of it in the comic book.... sorry Travis...hehe had to go there. Anyone heard from Kenneth Reeves? He Figure out that machine yet? FLY KOLB Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2004
From: Ben Ransom <bwr000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: harness
One thing you might add on an Ultrastar is a safety line of some sort so that if a shoulder belt somehow gets unlatched and behind you, it won't go all the way back to the prop. The shoulder strap got away from brother Mike once, but luckily didn't go all the way to the prop, maybe cuz it was hooked around his neck --- somehow that didn't decrease his pucker factor during the incident. :) On my firestar I use some 3/4" wide, fairly thick climber's webbing to attach shoulder harnesses to the crosstube that is approximately behind pilot's shoulders. This avoids using bolts, etc, so may be helpful. -Ben Ransom --- "Rayfield, Bill" wrote: > > Ron, I've got a picture how ours is I'll send to you. Mine angles > back > and wraps around the rear uprights on the rear of the cage, near the > boom tube. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronnie > wehba > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: harness > > > > any body know "where/how/best place" to attatch shoulder belts? on a > ultrastar.picture maybe. > > > == > == > == > == > > > This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may > contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is > exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message > in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the > e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. > ============================================================================== > > > > > > > > ===== http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "G. T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Subject: harness
Date: Apr 06, 2004
Bill Rayfield et al: Ditto to Ben's caution about the shoulder belts getting into the prop on the Ultrastar. We had a fellow at our field who used a wide, 4 point (race car type) on his Ultrastar. In doing some testing/tweaking/adjusting on the ground one day, he got in and out of the US several times. In the last taxi back to the take the runway and fly, he secured his lap belts for the taxi, but failed to connect the shoulder harness. Going to full throttle, at about 20-25 feet off the ground, both shoulder harnesses were sucked into the prop, destroying it; ripped both the carb and the muffler off the engine; and threw fragments of detached parts through the ailerons and the wings. Not a pretty sight. The good news is that he continued to fly the plane, landed immediately/safely and was not injured. Fun, Safe Flying! George Alexander Original Firestar http://gtalexander.home.att.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ben Ransom Subject: RE: Kolb-List: harness One thing you might add on an Ultrastar is a safety line of some sort so that if a shoulder belt somehow gets unlatched and behind you, it won't go all the way back to the prop. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James, Ken" <KDJames(at)berkscareer.com>
Subject: German Engine
Date: Apr 07, 2004
I e-mailed Otto Funk ( Yes real name ) for some more info on the smart engine, The price is right but at 86 Kg 189lbs it needs to go on a diet ( just like me.) Just thought you guy's might be interested. Ken homepage www.ecofly.de and www.fk-leichtflugzeuge.de In the moment we have flying 12 ultralight aircrafts with the Smart- Engine. The first 60 KW engine has now 65 hours flight time. One 45 KW engine hase more than 1400 hours without any problem. The performance of the 60 KW engine is comperable to the Rotax 912S. Our gear and enginemount is also used in the push-pull unmanned aicraft "Hunter" of the US-Army.Here we work together with Northrop Grumman. The weight of the ready to run Firewall-Forward-Kit without Propeller and without cowling is 86 Kg and the price is 8.800.-EUR. The time of delivery is 6 weaks. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: German Engine
Date: Apr 07, 2004
That is interesting From the Smart car web site: The suprex turbo engine. A powerhouse without a single superfluous gramme on the cylinders: The 3-cylinder rear-mounted engine with turbocharger and charge air cooler weighs just 59 kg. That means: ample power, low fuel consumption and low emissions. So the basic engine weights just 139 pounds, his reduction drive, engine mount and other accessories must weight 50 pounds. Not two bad but It sure takes what looks like a good light engine right into the heavy weight category. Topher -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Ken Subject: Kolb-List: German Engine I e-mailed Otto Funk ( Yes real name ) for some more info on the smart engine, The price is right but at 86 Kg 189lbs it needs to go on a diet ( just like me.) Just thought you guy's might be interested. Ken homepage www.ecofly.de and www.fk-leichtflugzeuge.de In the moment we have flying 12 ultralight aircrafts with the Smart- Engine. The first 60 KW engine has now 65 hours flight time. One 45 KW engine hase more than 1400 hours without any problem. The performance of the 60 KW engine is comperable to the Rotax 912S. Our gear and enginemount is also used in the push-pull unmanned aicraft "Hunter" of the US-Army.Here we work together with Northrop Grumman. The weight of the ready to run Firewall-Forward-Kit without Propeller and without cowling is 86 Kg and the price is 8.800.-EUR. The time of delivery is 6 weaks. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2004
From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject: FireFly Drag Reduction Continues
FireFlyers and Kolbers, In my quest to get a little further on five gallons, I have faired in the trailing tubes on the ailerons, elevators and rudder. Calculations indicate that 50, 55, and 60 mph would be 0.58, 0.78, and 1.01 hp. The hard part was making the fairings for 5/16 OD tubing. How it can be done can be seen at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly105.html The process of mounting, shaping and covering the fairings can be seen at: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly106.html Just finished it up today, and took the FireFly for a short spin. It seemed a little quieter. Could not check out speed differences due to turbulent air. Hopefully I will be able to fly to the next EAA 453 Chapter meeting in a couple of weeks. Then I will get speed, fuel consumption, and noise measurements. Have a good weekend. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart(at)ldd.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2004
From: possums <possums(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: FireFly Drag Reduction Continues
Or you can use "trailing edge" alum material from AircraftSpruce to do this - if you do it when you are first building. It hardly weighs more than the tubes do. <http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/tailmod.jpg>http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/tailmod.jpg http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/ailermod.jpg <http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Xhingestrailingedge.jpg>http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Xhingestrailingedge.jpg http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Modtail&swagedwires.jpg At 09:11 PM 4/7/2004, you wrote: > >FireFlyers and Kolbers, > >In my quest to get a little further on five gallons, I have faired in the >trailing tubes on the ailerons, elevators and rudder. Calculations indicate >that 50, 55, and 60 mph would be 0.58, 0.78, and 1.01 hp. The hard part >was making the fairings for 5/16 OD tubing. How it can be done can be seen >at: > >http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly105.html > >The process of mounting, shaping and covering the fairings can be seen at: > >http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly106.html > >Have a good weekend. > >Jack B. Hart FF004 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jimmy Cash" <jcash(at)charter.net>
Subject: Door Latch
Date: Apr 08, 2004
Hello everybody, I'm new to the Kolb community. I just purchased a '98 Firestar, with a Rotax 503 and Warp Drive prop. What a blast! I'm trying to educate myself as much as possible, and the Kolb list has been fantastic. This Firestar has a Lexan partial (back to your shoulders) enclosure. The previous owner told me of an inexpensive latch that can be used to hold the door open. I've searched the archive, and cannot find a reference to it. It was described to me as attaching to the leading edge of the right wing, near the wing root. It was spring loaded to extend and catch the door. If you know the source on this latch, please let me know. Thanks, Jimmy Cash ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pcondon" <pcondon(at)mitre.org>
Subject: GEO METRO 1300 (Raven) engine for sale
Date: Apr 08, 2004
My 1300 GEO Metro from a 1998 auto, 38,500 miles is for sale. My building partner "decided" on a Rotax and wrote a check for over 15K$ with out really informing me. He is the "money" partner and I am the "labor" partner. Anyway, this engine is the proper one for the RAVEN 1300 SVS conversion and has all the wiring, computers, oxygen sensors and part that RAVEN lists when you snag one from the salvage yard. I yanked the engine this past February from a local salvage yard. The car was in the yard less then 2 weeks when I got the call. Started up and idled like a little electric engine (smooth), no oil or smoke, no water in the oil, no oil in water. Engine located in south NJ. I paid 600.00 which is the average price for this engine - I jumped on the deal due the great condition and shape of the engine. It's a DOHC, multiport fuel injection, electronic ignition engine that can run the turbo option from RAVEN. This is a nice, inexpensive engine option. Raven also has the engine mount options that they can assist in..i.e. no extra $$ lost or spent for the mount. Contact pcondon(at)mitre.org. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2004
From: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly Drag Reduction Continues
> >Or you can use "trailing edge" alum material from AircraftSpruce >to do this - if you do it when you are first building. >It hardly weighs more than the tubes do. > Possums, I would like to have had your foresight, but I did not want to recover the ailerons, elevators and rudder. So the easiest thing for me to do was to add to what I already have. I like your additions to the horizontal and vertical stabilizers too. I still have a few more areas to drag reduction to do that will not violate AC 103-7 regs. I want to fill the gap between the horizontal stabilizer and the tail tube, add strut end fairings, and clean up the center section of the wing top and bottom. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart(at)ldd.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: parts
Date: Apr 08, 2004
Hey Guys, I made a list of things I still have to purchase for my Kolbra.Thought I would throw it out here to see if any care to point out any major out of line prices. Either way to much or not enough. Also totaled up what I have spent so far. Wish I hadn't done that, but here it is for your amusement. Finishing List Covering (Aircraft tech support) $995.00 Paint (same as above) $900.00 Engine kit (Kolb Includes exhaust) $2000.00 Prop extension $295.00 Fuel cell $500.00 estimated Radio (micro air)$699.00 Transponder(microiar)$1200.00 ELT (A/S) $250.00 Altimeter(Kolb) $215.00 ASI (A/S) $135.00 VSI (A/S) $201.00 EIS (Kolb) $510.00 Hot box (Kolb) $225.00 Strobes (Kolb) $238.00 Seats (Kolb) $225.00 + 30.00 ea for logo (if I go this route) BRS (Kolb) $2500.00 Intercom (A/S) $200.00 Sub Total $11288.00 Kit 1 $4200.00 Kit 2 $7700.00 (includes extra parts for flaps less wheels and gas tanks) Engine $6800.00 (used 912UL 50 hrs) Prop $600.00(used warp a billzillon hours) Wheels $1000.00 (includes tires,tubes,brakes,wheels and axles) Grand total $31588.00 (if I go with all the above and god knows what else) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: parts
Date: Apr 08, 2004
|It comes with the Titan SS exhaust system | (900.00 bucks) so that makes the rest total up to around $1100.00. It | includes the engine mount,lord mounts,throttle cables,choke cable, splitter | and all the hardware to mount the engine in the airframe. What do you think? | | Paul Petty Paul P/All: I think I would try and sweet talk Titan into giving me a price break on the exhaust system, which, BTW, is the best system I have used so far. As far as $1,100 for the engine mounts, lord mounts, cables, etc., I think I would save myself a buncha money by doing my own. The engine mounts from the factory are probably the standard 1/4" thick angle Bro Jim and I started out with 10 years ago. I highly recommend the 3/8" thick angle which is much stronger and durable than its thinner brother. I do not know if Kolb makes 3/8" or not. They are simple to make. Hardest part is getting them layed out and drilled correctly. I think I still have the CAD drawings John Russell drew up to make the mounts for his SS and was so generous to send me a set also. They do require a tiny bit of machining where the bolt holes get close to the fillet of the angle. A lot of that gear can be purchased at better prices by researching the internet, by buying overhauled instruments, etc. Might want to put some want ads in the publications and on the internet for items you want and need. I couldn't afford to build or fly if I didn't play this kind of game to save a dollar here and there. Ya'll take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AULSU(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 08, 2004
Subject: Rotax 503
Hi Gang, My Kolb MKIII is doing great with 550 hours with a Rotax 582. I just finished a Mini-Max 1100 with a used Rotax 503 and it's a dog. I have a new three bladed Power Fin prop pitched to produce 6500 rpm's in flight. Does anyone know what the static rpm should be, or any suggestions to improve performance? Gross weight with me in it is 534 lbs. Tom Guidroz, 259TG Houma La. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: parts
Date: Apr 08, 2004
Thats about what I spent, less the transponder. Those Microair units are nice. Don't you want an encoder too? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net> Subject: Kolb-List: parts > > Hey Guys, > I made a list of things I still have to purchase for my Kolbra.Thought I would throw it out here to see if any care to point out any major out of line prices. Either way to much or not enough. Also totaled up what I have spent so far. Wish I hadn't done that, but here it is for your amusement. > > Finishing List > > Covering (Aircraft tech support) $995.00 > Paint (same as above) $900.00 > Engine kit (Kolb Includes exhaust) $2000.00 > Prop extension $295.00 > Fuel cell $500.00 estimated > Radio (micro air)$699.00 > Transponder(microiar)$1200.00 > ELT (A/S) $250.00 > Altimeter(Kolb) $215.00 > ASI (A/S) $135.00 > VSI (A/S) $201.00 > EIS (Kolb) $510.00 > Hot box (Kolb) $225.00 > Strobes (Kolb) $238.00 > Seats (Kolb) $225.00 + 30.00 ea for logo (if I go this route) > BRS (Kolb) $2500.00 > Intercom (A/S) $200.00 > > Sub Total $11288.00 > Kit 1 $4200.00 > Kit 2 $7700.00 (includes extra parts for flaps less wheels and gas tanks) > Engine $6800.00 (used 912UL 50 hrs) > Prop $600.00(used warp a billzillon hours) > Wheels $1000.00 (includes tires,tubes,brakes,wheels and axles) > Grand total $31588.00 (if I go with all the above and god knows what else) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: parts
Date: Apr 08, 2004
Ms. Dixie is beginnin' to look like a whole plantation ($$$) George --- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2004
From: Jim Clayton <jspc78(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: John Hauck's birthday
<Lynnp@c-gate.net> By the way list members John Hauck's birthday is today! 65 years young. Happy birthday John! Hope you're having a great day. See you at MV! -Jim Jim Clayton California Mark-3X, 912ULS Building ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2004
From: "Bob N." <ronoy(at)shentel.net>
Subject: Happy BD
friend John, Sorry for the personal msg via List, but my last msg directly to you was bounced. Reckon I'm on yer dirty peoples list? Same with my youngest, Dr. Rolf. Gettin' ta be a dirty old man. Bob N. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: FAR 71.7
Date: Apr 08, 2004
Fellow Kolbers: Please consider joining those of us who fly in SE Michigan in opposing the proposed expansion of Class D airspace at Selfridge ANGB (MTC) by logging onto the Docket Management System and leaving a comment. Many thanks! -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregg Stockman Subject: FAR 71.7 Dear Pilots: It looks like I got some bad information from Selfridge ATC last week. A review of FAR 71.7 revealed that airspace under FAR part 71 is described in nautical miles. Therefore, the "6.6 miles" in the Selfridge NPRM would be in nautical units. Apparently everything in aviation these days works in nautical miles except for Selfridge ATC. If this proposal gets approved Selfridge ANGB is going to be one large piece of controlled airspace. This will effect on all operations at 57D except cutting the grass. I submitted my comments to the Feds tonight online. It was very easy to do. The web site to do this is http://dms.dot.gov. The docket number is "FAA-2003-16705". From this web site it is possible to look at the comments that have been submitted on this topic. My comment should be posted shortly. Please consider submitting a comment regarding the expansion of Selfridge's airspace. See you around the airport.... Greg Gregg Stockman wrote: Dear 57D Pilots: Yesterday I spoke with Mike Lajoye, ATC Manager at Selfridge. I expressed our concerns over the proposed expansion of the Selfridge's class D airspace. He assured me they do not want to adversely effect any operators at 57D. He also clarified there will be no approach extensions, north and south of their airspace, outside of this expansion. Mike agreed to look into our concerns and get back to me. Today Mike got back to me and he further clarified the proposal. The "6.6 mile radius" listed on the NPRM is to be in STATUE MILES. Apparently everything in aviation these days works in nautical miles except for the FAA. Therefore, both the north and south boundaries of Selfridge's airspace will not change. The east and west sides of the airspace however will be expanded 1.3 NM (from 4.4 NM to 5.7 NM, as measured from the center of Selfridge). This makes the expansion much smaller than it was first thought to be. With this in mind, please review the NPRM and forward any comments you have to the FAA. The only operational change I see for myself is during a straight-out departure from runway 18. At about 2.5 NM out I will either turn southwest bound, turn east bound, or contact Selfridge ATC. Thank you for your attention in this matter. Fly Safe. Greg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "info" <info(at)aircrafttechsupport.com>
Subject: Sun-'N-Fun!!
Date: Apr 08, 2004
Please look us up at the Poly-Fiber booth in building "B" at the fly-in, we'll get out to the ultralite area later in the week. Please let us know if and when you'all are having a dinner, See ya there, Thanks, Jim & Dondi Miller Aircraft Technical Support, Inc. Poly-Fiber & Ceconite Distributors (Toll Free) (877) 877-3334 Web Site: www.poly-fiber.com E-mail: info(at)aircrafttechsupport.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart(at)inebraska.com>
Subject: parts
Date: Apr 09, 2004
Not true. I have the ALT/VSI option in my 912S-powered Titan. J.D. Stewart UltraFun AirSports (EIS dealer) http://www.ultrafunairsports.com FlyChallenger E-mail list and Website Administrator http://challenger.inebraska.com TitanAircraft e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ > > Denny, Paul and all, > > The altimeter and vsi option in an EIS is great. Only problem is you can > only get it in the 2-stroke EIS and not the 4-stroke model. > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 534 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart(at)inebraska.com>
Subject: parts
Date: Apr 09, 2004
Actually the model 4000, so I can monitor all 4 EGTs. It was kinda overkill with everything else, but the only way to get the 4 EGTs. J.D. > > > > > Hi J.D. > > Are you running the EIS 2002 or EIS 2004 model to get the > altimeter and VSI > options? > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 534 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lloyd McFarlane" <lrmcf(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Weight & Balance
Date: Apr 10, 2004
Hey Guys, After doing the math, It's 33% CG empty fuel, and 35.93% CG full fuel... Mike, my FS II weighs 418 empty and 682 lbs with 10 gal fuel and pilot. I had to move the 13 lb battery to the nose to keep the CG in range. At full weight, I'm at 31.9 % based on a 64" ave chord. FS II with 503 DCDI, electric start, two blade wooden prop, BRS chute, and heel brakes. Lloyd McFarlane Fullerton, CA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2004
Subject: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Mike Pierzina Subject: Parking brakes for Heel Brakes http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.04.10.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2004
Subject: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Mike Pierzina Subject: Weight & balance http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.1.04.10.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2004
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Conversion of 447 to oil injection
Ok Rotax experts - what would it take and estimated cost to convert my Rotax 447 to oil injection. Particulars regarding the Engine: The engine is a Rotax 447 purchased with the kit in 1997. Question is can the oil injection pump be installed on my engine as it is configured or what may need to be changed. The engine has a Rotax starter that mounts to the side of the engine crank case towards the recoil end parallel to the direction of the crank case. The kits previous owner pulled the recoil off - can't recall for sure but I believe the recoil can be put back on without deleting the starter if needed, just saves weight (###) leaving it off. I don't care about the recoil as I can hand prop it easier. Would like to keep the electric starter. I wouldn't mind having a 503 for the oil injection and wouldn't need to run the engine quite as hard. Would it be cheaper - better to purchase a used 503 and exhaust system and sell the 447 or is conversion the most cost effective. jerb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Mark II returns to the air
Date: Apr 11, 2004
Gentlemen: Yesterday was the first flight of my Mark II with its new engine and miscellaneous other mods and refits. I'm happy to report that it all went very well. As one would expect, there's some slight tweaking needed in the carb setup as the EGT temps were just a tad above nominal, but that's it. I can't believe how nervous I was. I don't think I was that wired when I did my first solo over twenty years ago. Of course, back then I didn't know squat about anything so I was probably too dumb to be scared! Summary: New Rotax 503 DCDI with oil injection New Bing 54 carbs New panel and new, shielded wiring throughout New EIS with ALT and VSI New starboard fuel tank and new fuel hoses throughout New fuel primer New tailwheel New fiberglass landing gear New pitot tube and added a static port New combo radio/GPS mount On that last item, one note. I've always had airspeed read very high. While it was tough to get an exact reading during the test flight yesterday because the air was so choppy, I'm qualitatively sure that the airspeeds are now much closer and may in fact be dead on. -Ken Fackler Resurrected Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 11, 2004
From: The Kuffels <kuffel(at)cyberport.net>
Subject: Off Topic, antennas
Boyd, <> The Vertex Standard (nee Yaesu) at $380 looks like a real value. For the price of an aircraft handheld you get FM broadcast, aircraft vor/localizer nav, aircraft com, ham 2 meters and weather. I'm looking forward to seeing it as well as you and the gang at Monument Valley. If you really needed resonance from 88-162 MHz, the only way to go would be a log-periodic (that takes me back to the mid-60's with Hy-Gain Electronics). Now that would be something to see mounted on top of a Kolb. Of course, since you are only transmitting on 118-130(or so) and 144-148 then a multi-element flexible dipole might work quite well. The trapped dipole is mechanically and electronically more complex and less desirable since the critical application is the lower frequency. In other words, aircraft com would suffer the losses and radiation inefficiencies of the traps. Perhaps a vertical X with about a 30 degrees included angle and the coax running straight down from the intersection of the legs. Make the 4 legs out of coax braid (RG-11 braid even better) for slightly more broadband performance. If you don't mind cable which is a few years old, I can bring down enough RG-58 to really experiment. I'll bet the receiver's performance can easily make up for any out of band inefficiencies. We should set up an electronics seminar and charge admission. Take care, Tom Kuffel Whitefish, MT Building Original FireStar ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: replacing fuel line
Date: Apr 11, 2004
Kolbers, I'm doing a bit of maintenance before starting my 2004 flying season so I thought I'd replace some fuel line. I ordered it from Olenik and received it very quickly. Thanx Tom. My question is this. Is there any "easy" way to slip the line over the various connections? Dang that's hard to do without removing things off the plane. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanx, Bob Miss B Mark III N57MB Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious Tenacity Farm Campbellsburg, Kentucky Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Homer Kolb and Monument Valley
Date: Apr 11, 2004
Hi Everyone: I just got off the telephone with Homer Kolb. It was great to talk to him again, as always. He is really busy, as he always is. However, when I started telling him about the Unplanned 2d Annual Kolb Flyin at Monument Valley, his ears perked up and I was able to get him to commit to the trip unless something unforeseen comes up between now and then. He sounded as excited about this flyin as the rest of us who were there last year and all the new folks that are planning on making the journey for the first time this year. I am going to keep my fingers crossed and include Homer in my prayers. Hopefully, a good word here and there may be of benefit to get Homer and Clara Kolb out to our flyin. Folks, everyone is invited to attend. Do not have to be a Kolber to make the journey. However, we may convert ya if you are not careful. Would also like to give Bruce Chesnut, owner of The New Kolb Aircraft Company a personal invite to attend. I have not talked to him or any of the other Kolb people except to let them know that we are going back out this May. I will try to depart for Sun and Fun in Miss P'fer in the morning. Should be down there tomorrow evening. However, the weather is "iffy" and I may not get out of here until Tuesday morning. Will play it by ear and see you all down there when I get there. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 11, 2004
From: The Kuffels <kuffel(at)cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: replacing fuel line
Tenacity Farm Bob, (Love that name) <> Warm the end with hot water or (very carefully) a hair blower. Tom Kuffel Whitefish, MT Building Original FireStar ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "robert mason" <masonclan(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject:
Date: Apr 12, 2004
Started to look into radio's for my Xtra..anyone out there that has the Xcom 760 or something around the same size! I'm new to the Kolbler group and looking forward to meeting everybody at MV..hopefully I will be able to fly in next year... Robert Mason Simi Valley Ca ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: replacing fuel line
Date: Apr 12, 2004
. Is there any "easy" way to slip the line over the various connections? Dang that's hard to do without removing things off the plane. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanx, Bob try some silicone grease on the fittings.... and with a q tip spread some on the inside of the tube.... first make sure it wont cause a problem with the hose. boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
"kuffel"
Subject: antennas
Date: Apr 12, 2004
Of course, since you are only transmitting on 118-130(or so) and 144-148 then a multi-element flexible dipole might work quite well. The trapped dipole is mechanically and electronically more complex and less desirable since the critical application is the lower frequency. In other words, aircraft com would suffer the losses and radiation inefficiencies of the traps. Take care, Tom Kuffel tom i have used my dipole antenna and the reception on the fm broadcast band was poor...... so for now i am using the rubberduck, which is working quite well, until i can find an answer to the problems. maybe i can mount the rubberduck in the nose cone with a ground plane. contact with salt lake approach from 60 miles is good with the duck. it will be fun to experiment with a multi stran dipole and see what the results are. the radio uses a sma connector and i would like to adapt it to bnc for quick disconect..... I could slap yeasu for that blunder. boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WillUribe(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 12, 2004
Subject: replacing fuel line
I dip the fuel line ends in 2 cycle oil -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of boyd young Subject: Kolb-List: replacing fuel line . Is there any "easy" way to slip the line over the various connections? Dang that's hard to do without removing things off the plane. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanx, Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron(at)gamespeak.com>
Subject: Transporting Mk3
Date: Apr 12, 2004
Hello all. I sold my MK3 and the new owner plans on renting a trailer to take it home in. I was going to call Kolb to find out what hardware I need to fold the wings and get their recommendation for transport; however, they are closed this week. The plane currently has fixed AN hardware, not the quick pins. I have never folded the wings. Isn't there some sort of brace/holder that goes over the tail boom and holds the wings? Any input will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Aaron ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Re: replacing fuel line
Date: Apr 12, 2004
bbrocious asked: << Is there any "easy" way to slip the line over the various connections? >> Bob - Try a little spit on the connector. Fuel hose will slip right on. And speaking of fuel line - What's the recommended best-quality see-thru fuel line available? The original "tygo-thane" clear fuel line supplied with my Kolb has only been in use 2 years, and it's already deteriorating. I found cracks & splits in the hose in several places. And it's not UV damage, because my plane is always hangared. Is the blue fuel line any good? Advice I've collected from this List suggests that black neoprene fuel hose lasts way longer than the clear stuff, but I like to SEE that the fuel is running up the hose to the carbs when I turn on the electric fuel pump, before I hit the starter. That's how I discovered there were cracks in my fuel line - I could see that the gas was not pumping up hill. Appreciate any/all advice. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, Verner-1400, in New Mexico ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 12, 2004
Subject: Re: replacing fuel line
In a message dated 4/12/2004 5:27:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil writes: And speaking of fuel line - What's the recommended best-quality see-thru fuel line available? The original "tygo-thane" clear fuel line supplied with my Kolb has only been in use 2 years, and it's already deteriorating. I found cracks & splits in the hose in several places. And it's not UV damage, because my plane is always hangared. Is the blue fuel line any good? I got some from Mark Smith [on the Fly-UL list]. mark(at)trikite.com A little expensive, but doesn't seem to deterioate. It will turn a reddish-brown after a while; butyou can still see through it. It's heavy walled enough to use as pulse line. Mine's been on about 3 years. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: replacing fuel line/Neoprene Over Plastic
Date: Apr 12, 2004
| Advice I've collected from this List suggests that black neoprene fuel hose | lasts way longer than the clear stuff, but I like to SEE that the fuel is | running up the hose to the carbs when I turn on the electric fuel pump, | before I hit the starter. | Dennis Kirby Hi Dennis/All: What is the necessity of seeing the fuel in the line? I quit using the "temporary" plastic stuff years ago. I use nothing but premium grade Gates neoprene fuel line. Have no problem with it. It seems to be best available for UV protection. I have had plastic line, inside the fuselage out of the sunlight or any light, last for several years. But, up top, it quickly deteriorates. Neoprene is cheap, locally purchased, last a long time, and probably won't surprise you like the plastic stuff, by falling off the carb when you get ready to fly. If your airplane has been outside, your plastic line probably has UV damage. Take care, john h (Still do not know why the UL parts folks push the plastic stuff and not "real" fuel hose. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 12, 2004
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: replacing fuel line
Fuel Line - I ordered the Bing Blue alcohol resistant fuel line from Aircraft Spruce. Cost is about 79 cents a foot. Note they sell some other stuff, get the Bing fuel line. It's held up a couple years now just fine and were in a metroplex area where they have to pump reformulated stuff. There are some other brand blue stuff out there but it doesn't hold up - shrinks and gets hard after a short time. Haven't had much better luck with the Tygon stuff Lockwood sells. Does about the same thing but takes a little longer. Very pleased with the Bing stuff. By the way it has Bing stamped on it every foot or so. jerb > > >bbrocious asked: << Is there any "easy" way >to slip the line over the various connections? >> > >Bob - > >Try a little spit on the connector. Fuel hose will slip right on. > >And speaking of fuel line - What's the recommended best-quality see-thru >fuel line available? The original "tygo-thane" clear fuel line supplied >with my Kolb has only been in use 2 years, and it's already deteriorating. >I found cracks & splits in the hose in several places. And it's not UV >damage, because my plane is always hangared. Is the blue fuel line any >good? > >Advice I've collected from this List suggests that black neoprene fuel hose >lasts way longer than the clear stuff, but I like to SEE that the fuel is >running up the hose to the carbs when I turn on the electric fuel pump, >before I hit the starter. That's how I discovered there were cracks in my >fuel line - I could see that the gas was not pumping up hill. > >Appreciate any/all advice. > >Dennis Kirby >Mark-3, Verner-1400, in >New Mexico > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 12, 2004
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: replacing fuel line/Neoprene Over Plastic
John & All At a UL safety seminar about 2 years ago the Pennzoil guy that spoke said there can be a problem using auto fuel line in pre-mix applications - it has something to due with the oil. According to him marine 2-stroke premix applications use a different type hose that the oil doesn't break down. Fire extinguisher ready.... jerb > > | Advice I've collected from this List suggests that black neoprene >fuel hose >| lasts way longer than the clear stuff, but I like to SEE that the >fuel is >| running up the hose to the carbs when I turn on the electric fuel >pump, >| before I hit the starter. > >| Dennis Kirby > >Hi Dennis/All: > >What is the necessity of seeing the fuel in the line? > >I quit using the "temporary" plastic stuff years ago. I use nothing >but premium grade Gates neoprene fuel line. Have no problem with it. >It seems to be best available for UV protection. > >I have had plastic line, inside the fuselage out of the sunlight or >any light, last for several years. But, up top, it quickly >deteriorates. > >Neoprene is cheap, locally purchased, last a long time, and probably >won't surprise you like the plastic stuff, by falling off the carb >when you get ready to fly. > >If your airplane has been outside, your plastic line probably has UV >damage. > >Take care, > >john h (Still do not know why the UL parts folks push the plastic >stuff and not "real" fuel hose. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 12, 2004
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: replacing fuel line
Howard, Note if yours shows signs of shrinking most noticeable by connectors or if it has gotten stiff. jerb > >In a message dated 4/12/2004 5:27:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil writes: >And speaking of fuel line - What's the recommended best-quality see-thru >fuel line available? The original "tygo-thane" clear fuel line supplied >with my Kolb has only been in use 2 years, and it's already deteriorating. >I found cracks & splits in the hose in several places. And it's not UV >damage, because my plane is always hangared. Is the blue fuel line any >good? > > >I got some from Mark Smith [on the Fly-UL list]. mark(at)trikite.com > >A little expensive, but doesn't seem to deterioate. It will turn a >reddish-brown after a while; butyou can still see through it. It's heavy >walled >enough to use as pulse line. Mine's been on about 3 years. > >Howard Shackleford >FS II >SC > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 12, 2004
From: Jim Clayton <jspc78(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Homer Kolb and Monument Valley
Hi John/All It would be great to see Homer as well as Bruce Chesnut at MV. I am unable to make it out to Sun N Fun this year, could you please pass on my regards to Bruce, and everyone else at TNK: they would be most welcome out at MV! -Jim Jim Clayton California Mark-3X, 912ULS, Building Hi Everyone: I just got off the telephone with Homer Kolb. Would also like to give Bruce Chesnut, owner of The New Kolb Aircraft Company a personal invite to attend. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: replacing fuel line/Neoprene Over Plastic
Date: Apr 12, 2004
| At a UL safety seminar about 2 years ago the Pennzoil guy that spoke said | there can be a problem using auto fuel line in pre-mix applications - it | has something to due with the oil. | jerb jerb/Gang: That's not a problem for most of us now that do not premix. If there is, in fact, a problem, marine grade neoprene fuel line is available at any marine shop, marina, or marine mail order parts houses. Usually, this hose has much thicker wall that does a better job of making extremely sharp bends without crimping shut. Another advantage of the neoprene over plastic is strength. Most neoprene fuel hose has additional braid to increase strength. Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Neoprene fuel line versus clear plastic
Date: Apr 12, 2004
> john h (Still do not know why the UL parts folks push the plastic > stuff and not "real" fuel hose. I do not claim to know the answer, but I have a theory. If your primer or fuel pump is leaking, it might help to be able to spot the bubbles forming in the line. No flame intended, just a-wonderin'. -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Neoprene fuel line versus clear plastic
Date: Apr 12, 2004
| I do not claim to know the answer, but I have a theory. If your primer or | fuel pump is leaking, it might help to be able to spot the bubbles forming | in the line. No flame intended, just a-wonderin'. | | -Ken Fackler Hi Ken/Gang: Seems I have had air in the lines since Ultrastar days and Cuyunas. If air is entering the fuel line, why isn't fuel leaking back out when the engine and fuel pump are shut down? Take care, john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Neoprene fuel line versus clear plastic
Date: Apr 12, 2004
John Hauck wrote: > If air is entering the fuel line, why isn't fuel leaking back out when > the engine and fuel pump are shut down? I dunno, maybe 'cause a fuel molecule is bigger than an air molecule? Or like putting a whole in a straw, the air would leak IN and the fuel would run DOWN the inside of the tube, away from the incoming air? Shucks, this is way beyond me! But like I said, I didn't claim to have an answer, just a theory. ;-) -K ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Neoprene fuel line versus clear plastic > > > | I do not claim to know the answer, but I have a theory. If your > primer or > | fuel pump is leaking, it might help to be able to spot the bubbles > forming > | in the line. No flame intended, just a-wonderin'. > | > | -Ken Fackler > > Hi Ken/Gang: > > Seems I have had air in the lines since Ultrastar days and Cuyunas. > > If air is entering the fuel line, why isn't fuel leaking back out when > the engine and fuel pump are shut down? > > Take care, > > john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Transporting Mk3
Date: Apr 12, 2004
> > Hello all. > > > I sold my MK3 and the new owner plans on renting a trailer to take it home > in. I was going to call Kolb to find out what hardware I need to fold the > wings and get their recommendation for transport; however, they are closed > this week. The plane currently has fixed AN hardware, not the quick pins. I > have never folded the wings. Isn't there some sort of brace/holder that goes > over the tail boom and holds the wings? Any input will be greatly > appreciated. > > > Regards, > > > Aaron > > Aaron, The Mk 3 has the wing fold fitting built right into the Boom tube under the front of the horizontal stabilizers. However, I would recommend removing the wings completely for traveling. This eliminates the need for a boom support that you must have with the wings folded and it also makes the plane a lot easier to handle as a Mk-3 with the wings folded is EXTREAMLY heavy on the tail and hard to handle. Removing the wings only requires removal of one additional bolt per wing and allows for a much more securable aircraft when hauling. Disconnect the aileron and flap push pull control rods, than support the wing while taking off the lift strut, set the tip down on a pillow and remove the main spar attatch bolt and the rear spar attatch bolt. Presto you have a wing ready to stow. Good luck on your future project and we are sorry to see you leaving Kolbdom. Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron(at)gamespeak.com>
Subject: Transporting Mk3
Date: Apr 12, 2004
Denny, Thanks for the advice / info. I've loved my Mk3 and can easily see getting another one sometime when I can afford more than one plane. The new owners is looking into renting an enclosed trailer for the trip, do you have any suggestions on how to best store/secure the wings (when off) and the plane to best avoid shifting during a trailer ride? I hope the trailer has good tie-down attachments build into the walls. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denny Rowe Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Transporting Mk3 > > Hello all. > > > I sold my MK3 and the new owner plans on renting a trailer to take it home > in. I was going to call Kolb to find out what hardware I need to fold the > wings and get their recommendation for transport; however, they are closed > this week. The plane currently has fixed AN hardware, not the quick pins. I > have never folded the wings. Isn't there some sort of brace/holder that goes > over the tail boom and holds the wings? Any input will be greatly > appreciated. > > > Regards, > > > Aaron > > Aaron, The Mk 3 has the wing fold fitting built right into the Boom tube under the front of the horizontal stabilizers. However, I would recommend removing the wings completely for traveling. This eliminates the need for a boom support that you must have with the wings folded and it also makes the plane a lot easier to handle as a Mk-3 with the wings folded is EXTREAMLY heavy on the tail and hard to handle. Removing the wings only requires removal of one additional bolt per wing and allows for a much more securable aircraft when hauling. Disconnect the aileron and flap push pull control rods, than support the wing while taking off the lift strut, set the tip down on a pillow and remove the main spar attatch bolt and the rear spar attatch bolt. Presto you have a wing ready to stow. Good luck on your future project and we are sorry to see you leaving Kolbdom. Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation(at)buyitsellitfixit.com>
Subject: Re: replacing fuel line
Date: Apr 13, 2004
Yep, that is the same stuff I sell... has "B.A.I. Urethane" stamped on it as in (Bing Agency International) and it comes direct from Bing. It works well in most places, however, in Florida for some reason is does not seem to hold up well. Why Florida? I don't know, but I don't think it's the UV because I've seen in deteriorate inside open ended hangars where its always in the shade. Also, if it is exposed to certain chemicals that are found in some paint it will deteriorate fast as well. Other that those things, it seem to last years before needing replaced in most cases. Tom Olenik Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation. Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell...... (DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE IT. USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY) -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: replacing fuel line Fuel Line - I ordered the Bing Blue alcohol resistant fuel line from Aircraft Spruce. Cost is about 79 cents a foot. Note they sell some other stuff, get the Bing fuel line. It's held up a couple years now just fine and were in a metroplex area where they have to pump reformulated stuff. There are some other brand blue stuff out there but it doesn't hold up - shrinks and gets hard after a short time. Haven't had much better luck with the Tygon stuff Lockwood sells. Does about the same thing but takes a little longer. Very pleased with the Bing stuff. By the way it has Bing stamped on it every foot or so. jerb > > >bbrocious asked: << Is there any "easy" way >to slip the line over the various connections? >> > >Bob - > >Try a little spit on the connector. Fuel hose will slip right on. > >And speaking of fuel line - What's the recommended best-quality see-thru >fuel line available? The original "tygo-thane" clear fuel line supplied >with my Kolb has only been in use 2 years, and it's already deteriorating. >I found cracks & splits in the hose in several places. And it's not UV >damage, because my plane is always hangared. Is the blue fuel line any >good? > >Advice I've collected from this List suggests that black neoprene fuel hose >lasts way longer than the clear stuff, but I like to SEE that the fuel is >running up the hose to the carbs when I turn on the electric fuel pump, >before I hit the starter. That's how I discovered there were cracks in my >fuel line - I could see that the gas was not pumping up hill. > >Appreciate any/all advice. > >Dennis Kirby >Mark-3, Verner-1400, in >New Mexico > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Tig
Date: Apr 13, 2004
Kolbers, I have just purchased a Lincoln precision TIG 185 welder and are researching products and learning materials. I want to be able to TIG weld the tabs to my Kolbra fuselage for things like making removable floor panels and such.I thought I would share this site with you. www.tigdepot.com If any of you know of any more good sites please forward.Charley and I are going to take the EAA TIG workshop in June in Atlanta. On another note, It has been subjected to me that I give the fuselage a good bath in Phosphoric acid and then rinse with water and let dry the epoxy prime. I have found one product called OSPHO by SKYCO. The directions say to apply let dry 24 hrs then paint. Any one ever use this? If not what brand did you use and where did you get it? Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp www.c-gate.net/~ppetty ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Timandjan(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 13, 2004
Subject: Re: Tig
In a message dated 4/13/04 3:00:32 PM, lynnp@c-gate.net writes: > Kolbers, > I have just purchased a Lincoln precision TIG 185 welder and are researching > products and learning materials. I want to be able to TIG weld the tabs to > my Kolbra fuselage for things like making removable floor panels and such.I > thought I would share this site with you. www.tigdepot.com If any of you know > of any more good sites please forward.Charley and I are going to take the EAA > TIG workshop in June in Atlanta. > On another note, It has been subjected to me that I give the fuselage a good > bath in Phosphoric acid and then rinse with water and let dry the epoxy > prime. I have found one product called OSPHO by SKYCO. The directions say to > apply let dry 24 hrs then paint. > Any one ever use this? If not what brand did you use and where did you get > it? > > Paul Petty > I used a acid wash/prep for all the metal before painting, they make one for metal and for aluminum, deluted differently for each application. Any good auto paint supply store will have it. Basically you use the acid with scotch brite pads and scrub all the pieces before priming, maked the metal shine and squeaky clean before painting. watch the finger prints after cleaning and before painting. Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Transporting Mk3
Date: Apr 13, 2004
----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron(at)gamespeak.com> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Transporting Mk3 > > Denny, > > Thanks for the advice / info. I've loved my Mk3 and can easily see getting > another one sometime when I can afford more than one plane. The new owners > is looking into renting an enclosed trailer for the trip, do you have any > suggestions on how to best store/secure the wings (when off) and the plane > to best avoid shifting during a trailer ride? I hope the trailer has good > tie-down attachments build into the walls. > > Aaron > > Aaron, Richard Pike pretty much covered the bases on trailer hauling. Stand each wing up against each trailer wall with the leading edge down on top of padding and strap em tight to the walls, screw chocks to the floor around all three wheels and strap it down as tight as you can. Good luck buddy, and let us know how it goes. Denny Rowe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Guy Morgan" <morganguy(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tig
Date: Apr 13, 2004
Howdy Folks, There's a couple of other chemical conversion coating products you should use after the acid etching process and before painting. One is Alodyne (sp?)and the other is Steel-Prep. I don't know the manufacturer off the top of my head. Should be easy to find, though. Alumi-Prep is the etching product they make. We operate helicopters in thesouth Texas Gulf of Mexico environment where fighting corrosion is a never ending battle and have had great success with both. On metal that's been painted without being treated, the paint will peel and bubble from pitting within a year, usually sooner, especially on the edges and around bolt/rivet holes. Most of the parts I've painted, after treating properly, last well beyond this. It's well worth the money and effort IMHO because I really dislike repairing/replacing parts because of corrosion. Guy Morgan (Galveston, TX Kolber wanna be) Kolbers, On another note, It has been subjected to me that I give the fuselage a good bath in Phosphoric acid and then rinse with water and let dry the epoxy prime. I have found one product called OSPHO by SKYCO. The directions say to apply let dry 24 hrs then paint. Any one ever use this? If not what brand did you use and where did you get it? Paul Petty I used a acid wash/prep for all the metal before painting, they make one for metal and for aluminum, deluted differently for each application. Any good auto paint supply store will have it. Basically you use the acid with scotch brite pads and scrub all the pieces before priming, maked the metal shine and squeaky clean before painting. watch the finger prints after cleaning and before painting. Tim Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2004
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Tig
I used Stits Aluma-Dyne phosphoric acid, & as soon as I rinsed it off, my wife and I started drying the fuselage off immediately with towels and then two hair dryers and immediately got it in the garage to keep it from surface rusting. We used fine steel wool to clean the tubing, and the acid ate our hands up. (Of course the fine metal snags from the welds cut the rubber gloves up immediately, and then cut our fingertips, helping the etch to sting SO much better!) Anyway, as soon as it was good and dry we started painting it with Randolph epoxy primer, we didn't wait more than a hour and a half. Randolph sells a similar phosphoric acid metal treatment, and they say to paint within 24 hours so that rust doesn't have a chance to get started. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >Kolbers, >I have just purchased a Lincoln precision TIG 185 welder and are >researching products and learning materials. I want to be able to TIG weld >the tabs to my Kolbra fuselage for things like making removable floor >panels and such.I thought I would share this site with you. >www.tigdepot.com If any of you know of any more good sites please >forward.Charley and I are going to take the EAA TIG workshop in June in >Atlanta. >On another note, It has been subjected to me that I give the fuselage a >good bath in Phosphoric acid and then rinse with water and let dry the >epoxy prime. I have found one product called OSPHO by SKYCO. The >directions say to apply let dry 24 hrs then paint. >Any one ever use this? If not what brand did you use and where did you get it? > >Paul Petty >Building Ms. Dixie >Kolbra/912UL/Warp >www.c-gate.net/~ppetty > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cooley" <johnc(at)datasync.com>
Subject: Tig
Date: Apr 13, 2004
Hi Paul/Gang, Here's a link http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/welded/articles.htmlat to the EAA sight that gives the particulars on what filler material to use, tungsten size, welding procedures etc. Check out the welding articles toward the bottom of the list. Also the tigdepot sight you mentioned is one of the best I've found. I bought all my stuff at the local Airgas Supply company and the prices are much better than the online prices I've seen, especially the ER80S-D2 filler material. If memory serves me correctly I got 10 pounds of material for 33 bucks or so. Later, John Cooley SNIP >>>>Thanks Guys Any name brands or suppliers would be helpful... >>>>Paul Petty >>>>Building Ms. Dixie >>>>Kolbra/912UL/Warp ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2004
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Correction -Scotch Brite
Correction - we didn't use steel wool, it was Scotch Brite pads. Richard Pike > >I used Stits Aluma-Dyne phosphoric acid, & as soon as I rinsed it off, my >wife and I started drying the fuselage off immediately with towels and then >two hair dryers and immediately got it in the garage to keep it from >surface rusting. We used fine steel wool to clean the tubing, >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Tig
Date: Apr 13, 2004
> On another note, It has been subjected to me that I give the fuselage a good bath in Phosphoric acid and then rinse with water and let dry the epoxy prime. I have found one product called OSPHO by SKYCO. The directions say to apply let dry 24 hrs then paint. > Any one ever use this? If not what brand did you use and where did you get it? > _- Paul, I went over the entire fuselage cage looking for those little weld bumps and used a grinder to grind them off. Then I used Henkel Metalprep 79 that I got from AS (1 quart is plenty) to acid wash it. I also used scotch brite pads, like Richard mentioned, to really scrub it down. Make sure you use latex gloves to protect your hands and also protect the parts you just scrubed. It took me about 5 hours of scrubing to get the job done. By the time I finished, I could already see a slight yellow rust tinge appearing. You'll want to get the cage dried off ASAP and then shoot the primer. With the humidity down here in Alabama and Mississippi, you won't be able to wait until another day. If I had to do it again, I would gladly pay for the powder coating. For the aluminum boom tube, all I used was Polyfiber Aluma-Dyne E-2300. I still have most of the quart left over. James Tripp FS II, Final Assembly ======================================================================== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Anybody want a cabin heater for a Mkiii?
From: Jim Gerken <gerken(at)us.ibm.com>
Date: Apr 14, 2004
04/14/2004 03:07:03 PM Is there any interest in a cabin heater for a MkIII? I would sell it for fifty dollars, just to see it fly again (and get it off my bench). I made it for my '97 Mkiii, it fits in the nose ahead of the rudder pedals, works off 12 volts and uses hot water from the cooling system. Basically it is a small motocross motorcycle radiator mated to a blower with ductwork. I don't remember what it weighs but will venture a guess of 12-13 pounds total (can get actual if wanted, but that's surely within a couple pounds). The radiator is aluminum, the homebuilt ductwork is aluminum, the blower is from a small car, so its a little heavier than it could have been with a plastic blower or something. The blower has two speeds, and "off" of course. It will fit in the nose of the stock Mkiii, although its a tight fit getting it in and out. The rudder pedal spring return rod actually goes through this heater assembly (so the rod works as Kolb designed it). It used to blow on my feet and keep me warm with just a light jacket and no gloves, down to about 35-40 degrees. 35-40 degrees was about where the 582 engine would stop producing enough heat to be useable. With the blower off, there is no noticable heat output so summer time it does not need to be valved out of the system. Exactly how you plumb it into your cooling system would be up to you to engineer. It was in good working condition and held 13 psi when I pulled it out to install an aircooled engine (BMW) instead of the liquid cooled rotax 582. I used it for three winters and was very pleased with the result. Includes enough 1/2" heater hose (insulated!!!) to make the run from the nose cone to the engine. First serious responder takes it for fifty plus actual shipping. USA or Canada shipping only, sorry. Jim Gerken Minnesota USA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 15, 2004
From: Bob Bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Epoxy Primer
Richard Pike wrote: > >Were you spraying it? I brushed mine, & 1/2 gallon would be more than >plenty, > >Richard Pike > > Agreed......spraying all those little tubes might use about 800 times as much paint as brushing. I tried SEM self-etching primer in the spray can, outrageously expensive and not very good stuff. (tried it on a car repair). Once again though, on my steel airframe tubing I used Rustoleum satin outdoor furniture paint in spray cans. Very durable, rust-resistant, the spruce green "looks like" green chromate. Since I did a lot of structural repairs and mods on my used/bent cage and several added tabs it was handy to just wire brush a newly welded area and give it a touchup shot. -And YES, I had zero problems gluing directly over it with polytac, after giving it a reasonable hardening period. -BB > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "bryan green" <lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com>
Subject: road trip
Date: Apr 15, 2004
I will be in Alpharetta Ga. next week at a training school (work related) are there any Kolb builders or drivers in this town I could visit one afternoon? Bryan Green Elgin SC Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Houston we have a problem
Date: Apr 15, 2004
Paul, When you riveted your ribs to the main spar did you start at one rivet and go around the spar or did you go both directions from the first rivet? I would think the problem is in the rib attachment rather than the trailing edge material. It would be possible to create the bow you are describing by riveting the ribs to the main spar with a forward rotation of riveting. (starting at the top then down the front, under the bottom then up the back of the spar) I hope this is not too confusing.... At least I think I know what I am trying to say. Steven ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: rivet pattern
Date: Apr 16, 2004
When you riveted your ribs to the main spar did you start at one rivet and go around the spar or did you go both directions from the first rivet? Steven, Yes just like plans call for. One rivet in the center on each rib flange all the way down. Then one on the opposite side then one above and one below all the way down. Kinda like a torque sequence.This is one area of the plans that is very clear and explains about what not doing this will do. I guess that some warp is inherent. But I agree with Bro Pike, a level table would be better but harder to work on. Perhaps a sturdy 2"x 6" length wise at the TE so one could strap the TE down and keep it straight would be a good idea? Paul Petty Building Ms. Dixie Kolbra/912UL/Warp www.c-gate.net/~ppetty ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: rivet pattern
Date: Apr 16, 2004
If you were to use a 2x6 for that, you'd want to make very sure that it's absolutely straight and true. From what I've seen in the lumberyards, I think it'd be very difficult to find such a critter, and even more difficult to keep it that way. I used the bench, (see my website) and was happy with it...............others swear by the 'horses. Glad you got it worked out. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net> Subject: Kolb-List: rivet pattern > > When you riveted your ribs to the main spar did you start at one rivet and > go around the spar or did you go both directions from the first rivet? > > Steven, > Yes just like plans call for. One rivet in the center on each rib flange all the way down. Then one on the opposite side then one above and one below all the way down. Kinda like a torque sequence.This is one area of the plans that is very clear and explains about what not doing this will do. I guess that some warp is inherent. But I agree with Bro Pike, a level table would be better but harder to work on. Perhaps a sturdy 2"x 6" length wise at the TE so one could strap the TE down and keep it straight would be a good idea? > > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp > www.c-gate.net/~ppetty > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James, Ken" <KDJames(at)berkscareer.com>
Subject: rivet pattern
Date: Apr 16, 2004
I'm using the a 2x4 that was run through a planer several times until it was perfectly flat, both sides (top edge bottom edge) then I leveled it to the work deck and clamped it down ( if you don't have a planer give your local Vo-tech a call ) Ken -----Original Message----- From: Larry Bourne [mailto:biglar(at)gogittum.com] Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rivet pattern If you were to use a 2x6 for that, you'd want to make very sure that it's absolutely straight and true. From what I've seen in the lumberyards, I think it'd be very difficult to find such a critter, and even more difficult to keep it that way. I used the bench, (see my website) and was happy with it...............others swear by the 'horses. Glad you got it worked out. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net> Subject: Kolb-List: rivet pattern > > When you riveted your ribs to the main spar did you start at one rivet and > go around the spar or did you go both directions from the first rivet? > > Steven, > Yes just like plans call for. One rivet in the center on each rib flange all the way down. Then one on the opposite side then one above and one below all the way down. Kinda like a torque sequence.This is one area of the plans that is very clear and explains about what not doing this will do. I guess that some warp is inherent. But I agree with Bro Pike, a level table would be better but harder to work on. Perhaps a sturdy 2"x 6" length wise at the TE so one could strap the TE down and keep it straight would be a good idea? > > Paul Petty > Building Ms. Dixie > Kolbra/912UL/Warp > www.c-gate.net/~ppetty > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2004
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Sawhorses/table
Yes and no. When I built the wings for the J-6, (traditional wood truss ribs with spruce board front and rear spars) I used sawhorses. When I built the MKIII, I used a long table made by using two old interior doors 30" wide, joined end to end and screwed down atop a long narrow table that was 24" wide x 12' long. I had lag bolts screwed into the bottom end of the table legs, and could true the table by taking a wrench and screwing the bolts in or out. I really liked it because building tail feathers or ailerons, I could lay out the parts full size on the table. Bought a roll of masking paper, (You will used that when you paint Kolb) and laid out and taped it down on the table, drew the parts full size. Used screws through little wood blocks right into the table (interior plywood doors) to hold the tubing in place. For the next part, rip the paper off and layout fresh. Stored all the unused tubing in racks under the table, all the other parts on a plywood shelf along the bottom of the table. IMHO, the utility lost by not being able to get under a part, as when using sawhorses, was more than made up for by the utility gained everywhere else. Especially when a table makes a good place to set the butter tubs that hold the rivets, the rivet gun, the drill, the pencil, the ruler,.... etc. And after I finished the project, I sold it for $50 to another builder! But it really doesn't matter that much, as long as the parts fit is all that counts. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) >But I agree with Bro Pike, a level table would be better but harder to >work on. >Paul Petty >Building Ms. Dixie >Kolbra/912UL/Warp >www.c-gate.net/~ppetty > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: building a wing on a bench vs sawhorses..
Date: Apr 16, 2004
Paul, I made the decision to use a bench, for a couple of reasons... 1..I have built other wings before, and I always made a "wing table" ..so...old habit... 2. useing sawhorses would not allow me to have all kinds of tool right close at hand...a sack or a bowl of rivets...can of clecos..debur...various marking pens...tape meas..square...huck gun and rivet pullers, ....cup a coffee and a BFH......you know all the various stuff that a fella likes to have at arms reach...with a the horse method...I could not figure out how I could just have all the stuff close enough to me to expidite the building time.even in a roll around cart. PLus, I like to have the blueprint very close to my work,,,you know....cause I generally look at a dimension about 6 times on a print before I get the nerve to drill a hole!!!! Having that print over on the other side of the room would have made me wear out a pair of shoes just checking it all the time.! saving even 1 or 2 footsteps per rib, or even an extended arm reach in a repetitive building pattern can save an awful lot of time, and having to walk over to the "other spot": where the tools are, or the sack of rivets....bending down because they are on the floor....all this stuff I could picture me doing if I used a set of horses kinda made be decide to not try that method... next would be the reason inspired by "that troublesome tube"... That is the length of tubing that have a little bit of a sway in it....if on a table...it is easy to clamp down on both ends...shim ...pull, or push against the tabletop to get the precise alignment I demand....suspended out in mid air....well, I just dont know how to . I suppose if someone taught me, or I had used the saw horse method before....I might have considered it...but...I would be hard to convince! Don Gherardini FireFly 098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Firestar Performance at High Density Altitude
Date: Apr 16, 2004
Hi, everyone, I live in Boulder, Colorado, and am thinking of getting a Firestar II with the 503. What sort of take-off performance and climb rate should I expect up here in the summer, with two of us aboard? How about if I were solo? Please either reply to the forum or to me at dpaule(at)frii.com Many thanks - Dave Paule (303) 499-7048 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2004
From: Jimmy <jhankin(at)planters.net>
Subject: Bing 54 Carborator
Does anyone out there is Kolb Land have an old Bing 54 carburetor for parts. I need the top cover plate with the enricher, with the two screws and the two rubber boots. Also need the o-ring (831-450) Jimmy Hankinson 912-863-7384 Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455 jhankin(at)planters.net Kolb Firefly/447/275hrs Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: SR3SA2L1(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 16, 2004
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Dear Sirs, Please cancel me from the Kolb, ultralight, aeroelectric and engine lists (I think that is all I have subscribed to but if I am on any other lists, please cancel those too. Thank you, I have enjoyed them. Steve Roby ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Judy or Larry Gitt" <gittj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: worst virus ever
Date: Apr 16, 2004
--- Judy or Larry Gitt --- gittj(at)earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Beckman, Jill N. Subject: FW: worst virus ever More warnings. WORST VIRUS EVER ---CNN ANNOUNCED PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE ON YOUR CONTACT LIST !! A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by Microsoft as the most destructive ever This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by McAfee and no vaccine has yet ! been developed. This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the hard disk, where vital information for its functioning are stored. This virus acts in the following manner: It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the title "A Card for You". As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened the computer freezes so that the user has to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset button are pressed, the virus destroys Sector Zero, thus permanently destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just a few hours this virus caused panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN. This alert was received by an employee of Microsoft itself. So don't open any mails with subject: "A Virtual Card for You." As soon as you get the mail, delete it!! Even if you know the sender !!! Please pass this mail to all of your friends. Forward this to everyone in your address book. I'm sure most people, like myself, would rather receive this notice 25 times than not at all. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2004
From: Jim Clayton <jspc78(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Hoax: worst virus ever
This is a hoax. For details go to: http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/card.htm www.snopes.com is an interesting and informative website about hoaxes, urban legends, and other artifacts of the modern internet age. I always check there whenever some tells me the sky is falling :-) -Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2004
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: worst virus ever
Check this link out. You with good intentions have been sucked into another hoax letter. Do a search of hoax destroys hard drive sector zero or click on the link below. jerb http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=hoax+destroys+hard+drive+sector+zero > > >--- Judy or Larry Gitt >--- gittj(at)earthlink.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Beckman, Jill N. >To: >Subject: FW: worst virus ever > > >More warnings. > >WORST VIRUS EVER ---CNN ANNOUNCED > >PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE ON YOUR CONTACT LIST !! >A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by Microsoft >as the most destructive ever This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon >by McAfee and no vaccine has yet ! been developed. This virus simply >destroys Sector Zero from the hard disk, where vital information for its >functioning are stored. > >This virus acts in the following manner: >It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the title >"A Card for You". > >As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened the computer freezes so >that the user has to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset >button are pressed, the virus destroys Sector Zero, thus permanently >destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just a few hours this virus caused >panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN. This alert was >received by an employee of Microsoft itself. > >So don't open any mails with subject: "A Virtual Card for You." As soon as >you get the mail, delete it!! Even if you know the sender !!! > >Please pass this mail to all of your friends. > >Forward this to everyone in your address book. I'm sure most people, like >myself, would rather receive this notice 25 times than not at all. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: worst virus ever
Date: Apr 16, 2004
Kolbers, I wish Matronics had a hoax sniffer built in! Until it does, I guess we're stuck with folks like this. ; ( Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy or Larry Gitt" <gittj(at)earthlink.net> Subject: Kolb-List: worst virus ever > > > --- Judy or Larry Gitt > --- gittj(at)earthlink.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Beckman, Jill N. > To: > Subject: FW: worst virus ever > > > More warnings. > > WORST VIRUS EVER ---CNN ANNOUNCED > > PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE ON YOUR CONTACT LIST !! > A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by Microsoft as the most destructive ever This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by McAfee and no vaccine has yet ! been developed. This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the hard disk, where vital information for its functioning are stored. > > This virus acts in the following manner: > It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the title "A Card for You". > > As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened the computer freezes so that the user has to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset button are pressed, the virus destroys Sector Zero, thus permanently destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just a few hours this virus caused panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN. This alert was received by an employee of Microsoft itself. > > So don't open any mails with subject: "A Virtual Card for You." As soon as you get the mail, delete it!! Even if you know the sender !!! > > Please pass this mail to all of your friends. > > Forward this to everyone in your address book. I'm sure most people, like myself, would rather receive this notice 25 times than not at all. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: worst virus ever
Date: Apr 16, 2004
> Please do not use the Lists to decemenate information about computer > viruses. Matt, that's 'dissemenate'. ; ) Ed in JXN Official Kolb-List Spell-Checker Emeritus MkII/503 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel(at)kfalls.net>
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:makrolon polycarbonate?
Date: Apr 16, 2004
Hi, Trying to find some reasonable lexan. Am checking with a company called Harbor sales http://www.harborsales.net/index.cfm and they list Makrolon Polycarbonate, and it is pretty reasonable. In fact so reasonable that I am wondering if it is the stuff that I need for a new windshield. I know that Lexan is a brand name, but the makrolon throws me. Help! Larry, Klamath Falls ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 17, 2004
Subject: Fwd: Trenton Flyers Fly In, Trenton, SC
name(at)matronics.com, description(at)matronics.com, ----(at)matronics.com, ----------------------@matronics.com, --------------------------------------------------@matronics.com Anything that flies, you are welcome. Club Name is : Trenton Flyers Contact : Chuck Reinert Phone : 803-275-2727 E-Mail : Kolbfirestar(at)cs.com WEB address www.Trentonflyers.com Name Of Event : Trenton Fly- In Date : Saturday June 19th 2004 with a cook-out Friday night The town of Trenton will also have their Peach Fest Saturday June 19 Airfield name : Edgefield Co. Airport 6J6 Location: 1 miles SE of TRENTON , SC N 33-44-21 , W 081-49-17.Usage Information: Runway 11-29 2,640 x175 and 15-33 1584 x 145 both are turf Com Freq. 122.9 Trenton, SC Howard Shackleford SC Howard Shackleford FS II SC From: KolbFirestar(at)cs.com Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:48:18 EDT Subject: Trenton Flyers Fly In Club Name is : Trenton Flyers Contact : Chuck Reinert Phone : 803-275-2727 E-Mail : Kolbfirestar(at)cs.com WEB address www.Trentonflyers.com Name Of Event : Trenton Fly- In Date : Saturday June 19th 2004 with a cook-out Friday night The town of Trenton will also have their Peach Fest Saturday June 19 Airfield name : Edgefield Co. Airport 6J6 Location: 1 miles SE of TRENTON , SC N 33-44-21 ,=A0=A0 W 081-49-17.Usage Information: Runway 11-29 2,640 x175 and 15-33 1584 x 145 both are turf Com Freq. 122.9 Trenton, SC Club Name is : Trenton Flyers Contact : Chuck Reinert Phone : 803-275-2727 E-Mail : Kolbfirestar(at)cs.com WEB address www.Trentonflyers.com Name Of Event : Trenton Fly- In Date : Saturday June 19th 2004 with a cook-out Friday night The town of Trenton will also have their Peach Fest Saturday June 19 Airfield name : Edgefield Co. Airport 6J6 Location: 1 miles SE of TRENTON , SC N 33-44-21 ,=A0=A0 W=20081-49-17.Usage Information: Runway 11-29 2,640 x175 and 15-33 1584 x 145 both are turf Com Freq. 122.9 Trenton, SC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2004
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: worst virus ever
Come on Ed, you being pretty hard on the guy. He's only posted about 10 times since December. He tried to do something good. The key to pick up one was the send to everyone you know. That made me immediately check for Hoax and sure enough it was. And now back to Kolbs. jerb > > >Kolbers, > > I wish Matronics had a hoax sniffer built in! Until it does, I > guess we're stuck >with folks like this. ; >( > >Ed in JXN >MkII/503 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judy or Larry Gitt" <gittj(at)earthlink.net> >To: "Judy Gitt" >Subject: Kolb-List: worst virus ever > > > > > > > > --- Judy or Larry Gitt > > --- gittj(at)earthlink.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Beckman, Jill N. > > To: > > Subject: FW: worst virus ever > > > > > > More warnings. > > > > WORST VIRUS EVER ---CNN ANNOUNCED > > > > PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE ON YOUR CONTACT LIST !! > > A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by > Microsoft as the most >destructive ever This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by McAfee >and no vaccine >has yet ! been developed. This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the >hard disk, where >vital information for its functioning are stored. > > > > This virus acts in the following manner: > > It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the > title "A Card for >You". > > > > As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened the computer freezes so > that the user has >to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset button are pressed, the >virus destroys >Sector Zero, thus permanently destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just >a few hours this >virus caused panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN. This >alert was >received by an employee of Microsoft itself. > > > > So don't open any mails with subject: "A Virtual Card for You." As soon > as you get the >mail, delete it!! Even if you know the sender !!! > > > > Please pass this mail to all of your friends. > > > > Forward this to everyone in your address book. I'm sure most people, > like myself, would >rather receive this notice 25 times than not at all. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Spellcheck/virus
Date: Apr 17, 2004
Listers, I apologize if any of my most recent posts have offended anyone or caused discomfiture in their nether regions, increased the hole in the ozone layer, etc.. Just having some fun on spellin', and tired of the do-good noobs crying wolf on viruses. (I'm not the only one.) I will try to be more somber in the future. ; ) Promise. Ed in JXN MkII/503 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy(at)usol.com>
Subject: Re: Johns visit
Date: Apr 18, 2004
John W & John H, did you guys > fly together in Nam. I just read a couple books about helicopter units > over there and thought maybe you were in those units. > jerb I think they were. Of course they all looked alike from the ground with their helmets and everything on. DNA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Judy or Larry Gitt" <gittj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Date: Apr 18, 2004
Sorry Guys That was my Wife that sent it out and of course she scents it to everybody that we have on the address book . sorry --- Judy or Larry Gitt --- gittj(at)earthlink.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <gde01(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Sun'nFun 2004
Date: Apr 18, 2004
Thanks for the photos.. I am green. Giovanni Day DNA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Johns Visit
Date: Apr 18, 2004
Kolbers, John Williamson's photos inspired me to post some photos that my sister-n-law (Lisa Harris) snapped during his visit here at Harris Hollow. She is really good with that camera of hers. I have taken the day off from the Kolbra to let my feet and sun burnt face heal after the air show yesterday. Refueling at Harris Hollow. Notice little 2 year old Charley working on the gas cap! http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4176572.JPG Little man says.. "I will do anything to get John to let me in the cockpit" http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4176575.JPG "Clear Prop" http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4176577.JPG "Smoke gone ready now" http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4176579.JPG Thanks John tha little fella was waving bye bye long after you departed!!! John's departure and high speed fly by.... http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4176599 http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4176600.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4176601.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4176602.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4176607.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4176608.JPG http://www.c-gate.net/~ppetty/photos/P4176610.JPG ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2004
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Source for AN Hardware
Other than Aircraft Spruce ($$$) and Lockwood ($$), anybody have any good sources for AN bolts and hardware with reasonable prices. Last year at Sun & Fun last year I was stunned to see my Florida source for rivets and AN hardware having a going out of business clearance sale. I'm looking for another outlet that stocks most common sizes and provides decent prices when purchased in lots of 10 or more. B&B isn't bad but they don't always have what you need. jerb ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Landing gear
Date: Apr 19, 2004
From: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net>
John Willamson set a picture showing a new landing gear for an Extra. Does anyone know if this was a builder's modification or is it a new option from the factory? Rex Rodebush ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Parker" <parker910(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Local Kolb owners
Date: Apr 19, 2004
Hello , I was real impressed with the Kolb Firestar 2 with the 503 in it, at sun n fun. And I am now all set to buy a good used one.. I need to do the very last thing now and go ride in a Kolb two seater with a 503 in it for a few touch and goes. So if any one here would be interested in selling me 45 minutes of dual time or tell me where I can go I would certainly appreciate it. I live in Chattanooga Tn and can drive to Nashville , East TN , Macon ,Atlanta Birmingham / Montgomery Al I'm with in about two months of finishing up a frame up restoration on my Champ 7EC so I prefer not to start another project or kit for a good while. . Regards John Parker Chattanooga, TN. parker910(at)comcast.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: replacing fuel line and UV
Date: Apr 19, 2004
I don't know, but I don't think it's the UV because | I've seen in deteriorate inside open ended hangars where its always in the | shade. | Tom Olenik Tom/Gang: UV is reflective. Reflective UV also causes the damage. One of the reasons we not only use a UV block on the top, but also bottom and sides of fabric aircraft. john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject: Sail repair tape
Date: Apr 19, 2004
Greetings All, I bought some Dacron Sail Repair tape at the California Power Systems display at Lakeland. It is 2 inches wide, has a rip stop reinforcement and is translucent. It is very thin but I could not tear it by hand. It was ~$6 for 50 feet. I tried a test strip on my refrigerator door (non-porous, irregular surface) for about 24 hrs. It bonded very well. I plan to use it for my wing gap seals. Has anyone else out there tried this stuff? Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, Mark III/912 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Sun and Fun 2004
Date: Apr 20, 2004
Morning Gang: Returned to Gantt International Airport yesterday afternoon after an interesting flight from Lakeland, Florida. Was blessed with perfect flying weather. Winds were in my favor. After topping off with fuel, we pushed Miss P'fer from the Kolb display area out to the gate so I could crank and taxi back to the Ultralight Aircraft Park/Camp where I had my tent. Got in the MKIII, reached for the master switch and it was already on. Some time after I had left for the night, the master had been pushed up into the on position. The four year old ATP battery was dead as a door nail. Vernon Peckam, the "mouth" of Paradise City, had one of those neat little start boxes which barely turned over the 912S, but to my surprise, started the 912S. I had to shut down to load the aircraft and go through the same drill once again. Shortly after takeoff, the regulator/rectifier dropped the alternator and I was entirely without electrical power. Once this happens with a completely dead battery, the alternator will not come back on line until it is fed enough DC voltage to get back on line again. This is what it looks like when my MKIII loses all DC power: http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Sun%20and%20Fun%202004/DSCF0063_resize.JPG Top row of gauges, left to right, are lost: 1. Hour meter 2. Volt Meter 3. CHT 4. Oil Temp 5. Oil Press 6. Clock Second row of gauges lost: 1. Tachometer Notice, all the switches on the bottom right are in the off position. The intercom was lost. I use this, when solo, primarily for "side tone" for the little ICOM handheld. No problem here. The ICOM was operated off its own battery. The GPS operated on its own batteries, 4 AA's. I also lost my fuel boost pump, nav/strobe lights, and landing light. Seems I am always learning new things, and this flight taught me a few things. The four rechargeable AA batteries in the Fuji digital camera I recently purchased, readily replace the four AA batteries in the GPS. However, I did not have to replace the GPS batteries during the flight. My other primary problem was fuel. I would have to take on 5 gals of fuel before I landed at Gantt IAP. I would have to land somewhere where I could get a jump start if I shut down the engine. I decided to land at Headland, Alabama. There was no one on the field, but they had an automated fuel pump. I was in luck. I made my first "hot refuel" since VN in 1970. When I landed at Gantt IAP, I still had that 5 gal of 100LL I took on at Headland, or did I have all of it. It was so close, I do not know. I am glad I was able to refuel though. I cranked the 912S at Lakeland and shut it down at home. She ran like always. Thank God I did not lose it during the time she was idling while refueling. This pic was just SW of Cross City Airport, Florida. http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Sun%20and%20Fun%202004/DSCF0060_resize.JPG The rest of my pics are at: http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Sun%20and%20Fun%202004/ Without instruments, we still had a good flight. Flight from Lakeland to home: 428.1 sm 87.6 mph average speed 107.6 mph max speed 0.6 hours stopped time 4.8 hours flight time 4.7 gph (Fuel burn was reduced by the 0.6 hour idling time.) Had a good time at Lakeland. One of the best out of the 21 consecutive times I have been down there. Met some fine folks from all over the US and the rest of the World. Renewed aquaintences with others. We are mighty lucky people, in the US, to be able to enjoy our freedom of flight as we now have it. I am forever grateful. I'll try to put some captions with some of the other pics I took at S&F when time allows. Take care, john h PS: I think this one may need to go into the archives. Although not recommended, it does illustrate that one can still fly a 912S powered MKIII on a semi-long cross country flight with relative safety. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "rwash" <rwash(at)copper.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 11/23/03
Date: Apr 20, 2004
Hello List, Due to my husband's passing, I'm offering his KXP Firestar for sale. It has a loaded panel with a 503 DCDI, brakes, partial enclosed, electric start, electric trim, wingtip & belly strobes [wingtip double flash], chute, 113 TT, always hangered, pristine condition, yellow & maroon. Asking 10,900. If interested I will email you pictures. He built this plane over a 2 1/2 yr period with extra care & using all butted joints with gussets. Located in North Central Ohio. Sharon Washburn rwash(at)copper.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: sail repair tape
From: Erich_Weaver(at)URSCorp.com
Date: Apr 20, 2004
04/20/2004 11:51:15 AM My original gap seals came unglued in some places and I have progressively replaced it with the sail repair tape. Very easy and effective - also good for immediate field repair of puncture wounds - like when I folded a wing back against a prop blade. The down side is that dirt and scum stick to the edge of the tape making it more noticeable. This is really not much of a factor in the hard to see gap seal areas, but it is more apparent on other repair areas. regards, Erich Weaver ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Re: Sail repair tape
Date: Apr 20, 2004
<< Has anyone else out there tried this stuff? >> Duane, and All, This topic was discussed a few years ago, and the consensus then was: Sail repair tap is an excellent choice for gap seals, for all the reasons you stated (flexible, durable, easy to replace). I wonder if 2-inch wide tape is sufficient, though - I used 3-inch wide bookbinding tape, and it seemed barely wide enough to do the job. Let us know how it works out ... Dennis Kirby Mark-3, Verner-1400 Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Measurement
Date: Apr 20, 2004
| Mine is thirteen inches at the tip. | | AzDave AZDave/Ya'll: Mine's around 10", but I have trouble following instructions. I could probably have gotten away with 8 or 9" at the outboard cord, but the decision to reduce the cord of the aileron was experimental, and I did not know how narrow was going to be too narrow. I had a good feeling, after flying the factory MKIII for a while, that there was a lot more cord than I needed. Emphasis on "I". So far I have never hit the stop with aileron control in some lousy conditions. What I did was, lay the aileron and flap plans out on my work bench in the standard dimensions. Then chopped 3 or so inches off the outboard cord. Popped a chalk line from that point to the widest point of the flap on the inboard end. This way I cut the maximum cord off the aileron and the minimum off the flap. I did not want to degrade the performance of the flaps by making them smaller. I emphasize, I did this for my experience and requirements and no one else's. I also do not advise anyone else to make these changes, although I have thoroughly enjoyed them for the last 1,982.6 hours. I must say that I have hit the aileron stops on the Fire Fly landing at the Sun and Fun Ultralight Airstrip a few years ago in some seriously turbulent air. BTW: The factory Fire Fly, stars and bars, sold to a 92 year old younster. I had the opportunity to spend some quality time with this gentleman with an abundance of knowledge and experience. He was a class act. john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 20, 2004
From: "Bob N." <ronoy(at)shentel.net>
Subject: Re: Sun and Fun 2004
Friend John H. I wuz lookin' at your dash board, and mosta them clocks seem to say Snooze. You needed an Emerg Pwr Source like I wrote abt in Aviation Digest. Here's my Shade Tree Mechanic column from 6/01: The Shade Tree Mechanic Several years ago in the old AvDigest I wrote about an IFR life-saver. No, thats probably not quite right. What I aimed to say was that this thing might give you a better chance of getting on the sod gracefully after experiencing complete electrical failure, IFR or VFR. This thing was, and still is, a small, portable battery pack. Typically it has a 12v 7-8ah gel cell battery, charger, meter, outlets, and convenient handle. Since writing then, these battery packs have become quite popular as emergency car-starters, sources of current for portable TVs and entertainment gear. Some have a built-in bright light. The auto versions have two heavy duty cables with battery clips. And all have a couple of outlets--like cigar lighter receptacles--to accept plugs to drive various loads. These packs might start a small aircraft engine, in the summer, but the main use, as I see it, is to have a portable source of 12v dc handy. One easy use is to power a handheld radio or a GPS while in a motel. Get the weather, program the GPS, without eating expensive batteries. Back to the start of this; the pack can be carried in the plane with you, to power a handheld radio or GPS-- and could, with minor modification, power some aircraft loads. In a former life, when the Friendlies thought(?) I was strong of heart and mind, I experimented with my 172 (and later, 177) by simulating alt/batt failure. Switched master off, both alt and batt in the 177, plugged the 12v from the portable pack into the cigar lighter receptacle. Turned off all loads except No.1 radio and LORAN (yes, kiddies). Worked very well.When in dire straits, do dire stuff. Anyhow, these inexpensive packs can be very useful around the house, car, hangar, even the airplane. Beware, though, that there are versions of this pack that can cost up to $500 vs. $50 for ones that dont say Airplane. I wrote something for the Cardinal Club Newsletter, but can't find it. Anyhow these battery gizmos are cheap, and not too heavy. And don't forget using an out-of-date ELT battpack--the 12V type. They have plenty of stutch even when outa date, and are FREE. Bob N. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Sun and Fun 2004
Date: Apr 20, 2004
Hi Bob: Thanks for the info. I used one of these power packs to start in Lakeland. I started to ask Vernon Peckam is I could take it with me and mail it back when I got home, but decided against it. Would have simplified refueling and possibly got the alternator to come back on line to start working on the dead battery. Live and learn, hopefully. Was not too much of a problem during daylight hours, but a "really" dark night would have been quite unpleasant. One reason I do not fly for fun at night any more in a single, less than IFR, engine aircraft. Good night! john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: c.f.white(at)att.net
Date: Apr 21, 2004
I bought some Dacron Sail Repair tape at the California Power Systems display at Lakeland. It is 2 inches wide, has a rip stop reinforcement and is translucent. It is very thin but I could not tear it by hand. It was ~$6 for 50 feet. I tried a test strip on my refrigerator door (non-porous, irregular surface) for about 24 hrs. It bonded very well. I plan to use it for my wing gap seals. Has anyone else out there tried this stuff? Duane, I tried that same tape last year... thought it would be great - even painted it the same color as my wings. Unfortunately, the problem with it is the adhesive. It does not stand up to summer heat... get's soft and does not hold. Sorry, but I thought it would be great for wing gap seals too. Finally had to put that clear 3-M book-binders tape over it to keep it attached. -- Charles White 1200 Big Lodge Rd. Rollins, MT 59931 MK-3/912 N970CW ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2004
From: Jim Clayton <jspc78(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: For folks attending Monument Valley this year
Hello everyone, I have a friend coming with my dad and I to the Monument Valley fly-in, who is hoping that one of you fellow attendees will be heading for the Los Angeles basin or that vicinity afterward (needs to be in LA Monday noon, or a little after), with adequate weight-&-balance space in your two-, four- or more-seater for him to tag along. A departure either Sunday or early-early Monday would work for him (even by car, if on Sunday); he's of course fully willing to share [av]gas expenses etc. He's an A&P, and has been very helpful with my M3X project, so you could bend his ear or even put him to work if you need mechanical assistance. Please let us know at your first possible convenience, so his gig in LA later Monday can be confirmed ASAP. If no one is actually attending from there, but one of you would be amenable to heading that general direction after the festivities (an extended air tour you might be contemplating perhaps?), maybe even to somewhere a bit north of that area (...the better to rendezvous with his ground transportation there...), that would be very greatly appreciated, with appropriate gratitude and compensation in return. BTW, he won't have more than 5 lbs. of luggage (we will take his stuff home). Dad and I will not be leaving MV until Monday sometime (by car) and home is northern California, so we can't get him to LA. I didn't think anyone was flying back that way on Sunday or early Monday, but thought I could throw it out there just in case. Thanks, Jim Jim Clayton California Mark-3X, 912ULS, Building ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Harrison" <kenharrison(at)onlinexpress.net>
Subject: Firestar ribs
Date: Apr 21, 2004
Hello all, I am new to the list and have started to rebuild an original Firestar. Several of the ribs will need to be replaced, and I understand you can't buy rib components anymore. What current production Kolb has a rib most similar to the original Firestar's. I think this plane was built in the early 90s. Also, I am considering rebuilding the Rotax 377 on this plane. It has never been rebuilt and I'm wondering mostly about the crank. Is it like a certificated aircraft crank that can be reused as long as it's within the wear limits? What is the best course of action here? (Short of buying a new 503.) Thanks for any help. Ken Harrison Currently sandblasting, straightening 4130, and drilling out rivets. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
Date: Apr 21, 2004
You are on the list. Will probably take you up on the gas hauling offer. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 559 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
Date: Apr 21, 2004
Oh, Mercy ! ! ! Seems like I'm always on SOmebody's list. 'Specially my boss's. Story a' my life, eh ?? Lar. :-) Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot(at)comcast.net> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering > > You are on the list. > > Will probably take you up on the gas hauling offer. > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 559 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Firestar ribs
Date: Apr 21, 2004
> > Hello all, > I am new to the list and have started to rebuild an original Firestar. > Several of the ribs will need to be replaced, and I understand you can't buy > rib components anymore. What current production Kolb has a rib most similar > to the original Firestar's. I think this plane was built in the early 90s. Ken, Welcome to the Kolb list. Its good to hear that a broken Kolb is being reborn. I don't think the Firestars ribs have changed over the years, just the rib count. newer birds have seven while older ones have five. You can just go with new Firestar ribs. Just specify to Kolb which positions the ribs are for as the internal braces vary to clear the drag struts. > > Also, I am considering rebuilding the Rotax 377 on this plane. It has > never been rebuilt and I'm wondering mostly about the crank. Is it like a > certificated aircraft crank that can be reused as long as it's within the > wear limits? What is the best course of action here? (Short of buying a new > 503.) > Decarbon, replace front and rear crank seals and all gaskets, check rings and pistons and restore to factory specs as needed. Also change gearbox gear oil. If you are uncomfortable doing this work, contact Tom Olenik at www.buyitsellitfixit (Eastern Ohio) or any other reputable Rotax repair station. That 377 is a real sweetheart of an engine, as long as you can get parts for it you are money ahead to keep her in service. Good Luck with the rebuild and keep us posted on your progress. Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject: New Rotax watercraft 4 strokes
Date: Apr 22, 2004
Kolbers, I was at a local Sea Doo dealer recently and checked out the engine in a showroom Sea Doo. A 1500cc inline triple 4 stroke available normally aspirated in 155hp, supercharged at 185hp, or intercooled & supercharged at 215hp. They also now use a clsed loop cooling system like sleds or our aircraft. All I can say is Wow! Seems the four stroke revolution is in high gear and the future looks bright for lighter weight high performance engines. Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Rotax watercraft 4 strokes
Date: Apr 22, 2004
From: "Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield(at)kcc.com>
If you look at these and some of the newer 1000cc sportbike engines, there is some very impressive stuff out there. Would be great for someone to start adapting one to a gearbox to use on a plane... -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denny Rowe Subject: Kolb-List: New Rotax watercraft 4 strokes Kolbers, I was at a local Sea Doo dealer recently and checked out the engine in a showroom Sea Doo. A 1500cc inline triple 4 stroke available normally aspirated in 155hp, supercharged at 185hp, or intercooled & supercharged at 215hp. They also now use a clsed loop cooling system like sleds or our aircraft. All I can say is Wow! Seems the four stroke revolution is in high gear and the future looks bright for lighter weight high performance engines. Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA == == == == This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. ============================================================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cooley" <johnc(at)datasync.com>
Subject: Firestar ribs
Date: Apr 22, 2004
Hi Ken, Welcome to the list. I'm sure you already know to be careful with the sandblasting due to the thin wall of the 4130. I wouldn't consider using a "big dog" sandblasting outfit with sand in it. I have had a couple of cages blasted by a guy that specializes in old cars and he uses plastic media. On the ribs you may want to consider buying the 5/16 x .035 tubing and trying to rebuild the rib around the spar if they are not messed up too bad. How many hours on the 377? Rotax recommends replacing the crank on them at the 300 hour rebuild time. Good luck and you should be able to find lots of help on the list with your project. John Cooley -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Harrison Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar ribs --> Hello all, I am new to the list and have started to rebuild an original Firestar. Several of the ribs will need to be replaced, and I understand you can't buy rib components anymore. What current production Kolb has a rib most similar to the original Firestar's. I think this plane was built in the early 90s. Also, I am considering rebuilding the Rotax 377 on this plane. It has never been rebuilt and I'm wondering mostly about the crank. Is it like a certificated aircraft crank that can be reused as long as it's within the wear limits? What is the best course of action here? (Short of buying a new 503.) Thanks for any help. Ken Harrison Currently sandblasting, straightening 4130, and drilling out rivets. == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2004
From: Bruce fletcher <bwfbwf55441(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 4 stroke
http://www.aerotwinmotors.com/stuff/aerotwin.pdf > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > __________________________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2004
From: "johnjung(at)compusenior.com" <johnjung(at)compusenior.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
MV group, Kathy and I will be trailering my Firestar II and will bring (3) six gallon gas cans. Also, I have a couple of spouts with hoses attached, for filling Kolbs. We will be staying in the campground. John Jung ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation(at)buyitsellitfixit.com>
"Powerchutes(at)Yahoogroups. Com" , "Engines-Ul(at)Yahoogroups. Com"
Subject: HKS 700-E TBO Raised to 800 hours
Date: Apr 22, 2004
Hi guys, Well, it's official. There have been enough engines in the field getting high hours and be inspected for HKS to raise the TBO of the 700-E to 800 hours. A valid TBO. So just change the oil and 3 spark plug changes before then. If you would rather fly than work on the engine, it's so nice. Tom Olenik Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation. Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell...... (DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE IT. USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James, Ken" <KDJames(at)berkscareer.com>
Subject: 4 stroke
Date: Apr 22, 2004
Looking good nice weight to power and seems to very versatile in set up. Ken Still looking -----Original Message----- From: Bruce fletcher [mailto:bwfbwf55441(at)yahoo.com] Subject: Kolb-List: 4 stroke http://www.aerotwinmotors.com/stuff/aerotwin.pdf > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > __________________________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
Date: Apr 22, 2004
I have John plus one on the list. What is your wife's first name? John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 559 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Tom and Betty Kuffel
Date: Apr 22, 2004
Hi Gang: Excellent news. I finally located Tom and Betty Kuffel. Just got off the phone with Betty. She sounded 100%, which is her normal status. They were over very rugged terrain, the Prospector developed carb ice. Tom did not detect it in time due to the constant speed prop. They went into 80 to 100 ft trees on a very steep slope after the Prospector stalled. Betty thinks after the wings were torn off, the fuselage slid down the tree trunks, and landed inverted. It took six hours to find and winch them out of the mountains. Betty said the ELT went off and thanks to her Verizon cell phone, they were located and evacuated to St Patrick Hospital in Missoula, MT. She told me to tell the Kolb List that they both were in good spirits. Betty has an open trauma wound on her leg as the result of a leg fracture. Tom got a bit more damage, but is in good shape considering the landing. Betty will be out of the hospital in a few days, Tom a little longer. They had their little dog with them and some how the dog wondered off and did not get picked up when Tom and Betty were extracted from the crash site. Hopefully, the little fella will turn up. Our dogs are like our children to some of us. She hopes we will still come by on our way to Alaska, but said they're plans to go had definitely changed. I am so grateful they are both going to be ok. We will miss them at MV and on our flight to Alaska. They are great people. Take care, john h PS: If anyone wants to call Betty, she is in Rm 425. The operator number is 1-406-543-7271. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Wing Fold Pins
Date: Apr 22, 2004
Hi Guys, Mike Pierzina and I were comapring ways we have come up with to insert and retain the wing fold pins. He sent me pics of his and here are pics of mine. You ought to put yours on the web, Mike, so the guys can see two ways of attacking the same problem. My wings are presently being re-covered so I took the pic with the wing off the aircraft. The end of the pin is bent 90 degrees to go into a small hole I drilled into the side of the dowell. The tape holds the pin into the hole. The "Keeper" bungee is attached the same way. Just aft of the spot where the bungee attaches to the dowell, you can see some black tape. This tape has a piece of foam rubber inside to act as a pad for when the dowell comes up against the rudder. Been using this for a year or so with no problems. AzDave ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow(at)chase3000.com>
Subject: Re: Tom and Betty Kuffel
Date: Apr 22, 2004
(not processed: message from valid local sender) Thanks John, I just talked to Betty also, took a bit of investigating, and a couple of good hearted people at the area hospitals, but finally found them at St Pats Hospital in Missoula MT. The address there is St Patrick's Hospital 500 West Broadway Missoula, MT 59802 Betty is in Room 425 with a phone Tom is in a intensive care Room 354 with no phone, yet. They treated me like Grandparents last summer when I visited other friends in there area and Tom took me for a days flying in the Prospector, to view the valley and the forest fires, that were raging at that time. We landed at several remote mountain strips and saw that beautiful area for the first time from the air, after regular visits there for 25 years. As John said, they seem in good spirits, and they should recover very well, in time. I wish them the best, as I'm sure we all do. Kelvin K Grant NE ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Tom and Betty Kuffel > > Hi Gang: > > Excellent news. > > I finally located Tom and Betty Kuffel. Just got off the phone with > Betty. She sounded 100%, which is her normal status. > > They were over very rugged terrain, the Prospector developed carb ice. > Tom did not detect it in time due to the constant speed prop. They > went into 80 to 100 ft trees on a very steep slope after the > Prospector stalled. Betty thinks after the wings were torn off, the > fuselage slid down the tree trunks, and landed inverted. > > It took six hours to find and winch them out of the mountains. Betty > said the ELT went off and thanks to her Verizon cell phone, they were > located and evacuated to St Patrick Hospital in Missoula, MT. > > She told me to tell the Kolb List that they both were in good spirits. > Betty has an open trauma wound on her leg as the result of a leg > fracture. Tom got a bit more damage, but is in good shape considering > the landing. Betty will be out of the hospital in a few days, Tom a > little longer. > > They had their little dog with them and some how the dog wondered off > and did not get picked up when Tom and Betty were extracted from the > crash site. Hopefully, the little fella will turn up. Our dogs are > like our children to some of us. > > She hopes we will still come by on our way to Alaska, but said they're > plans to go had definitely changed. > > I am so grateful they are both going to be ok. We will miss them at > MV and on our flight to Alaska. They are great people. > > Take care, > > john h > > PS: If anyone wants to call Betty, she is in Rm 425. The operator > number is 1-406-543-7271. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2004
From: lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com
Subject: Re: Firestar ribs
Hi Ken, I agree with Denny and John. I am rebuilding my Firestar which has one damaged rib from trailer rash (flew it all last summer like this)the ribs are riveted together and easy to take apart. The cranks are no longer availible for the 377 (if I'm wrong maybe Tom will correct me ) ,so I'd go with Denney's recommendation on that. If you need any photos or something off the plans let me know. Bryan Green Elgin Sc original Firestar Rotax 377 and BRS 19LBG ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cooley <johnc(at)datasync.com> Date: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:16 am Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar ribs > > Hi Ken, > Welcome to the list. On the ribs you may want to consider buying the 5/16 x .035 tubing and > trying to rebuild the rib around the spar if they are not messed > up too > bad. Rotax recommends replacing the crank on > them at the 300 hour rebuild time. > > > > >> > > == > == > == > == > > > _- > _- > _- > _- > ======================================================================== > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Round the Thumb Trip
Date: Apr 22, 2004
Fellow Kolbers: If you live in or near SE Michigan and the so-called Michigan Thumb, please consider joining the Greater Thumb Ultralight Flyers (GTUF) on a Round the Thumb flight on Saturday, June 12, 2004. Additional information and a reservation form are available at this web site: www.staliteaviation.com Click on the June Thumb Trip link on the toolbar. I realize it's no Monument Valley or Alaska trip, but not all of us are ready for or interested in flying such an ambitious type of journey. For something a little shorter, and a little more affordable, our one-day trip might be just the ticket. If the weather permits us to fly, I can guarantee you'll see some beautiful countryside and shoreline. -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Sun & Fun Hanger Fly-Inn
Date: Apr 22, 2004
Hello Richard, Thanks for the hospitality Friday night. It was really a pleasure to get together with the group and talk with them face to face. You and George made us feel right at home. Gene and I appreciate your effort, Duane ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Timandjan(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 22, 2004
Subject: 503 carb boots
I read somewhere that new carb boots should be cleaned before installing and then someone at Sun in fun said to coat them with lithium grease, anybody know the correct procedures for these new boots? Thanks Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: tom and betty
Date: Apr 23, 2004
i just got off the phone with betty and she is upbeet and she seemed well.. she mentioned that tom has had a multiple surgeries since sat and is continually improving with no setbacks. she wanted me to tell all on the list thanks for the support, and sorry they will miss us at mv and alaska. boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject: First flight of Kolb Mk lll, N7078A
Date: Apr 23, 2004
Finally... I ran out of things to fix on my Mk lll this afternoon and got into the flight test prep mode. After a final inspection by my friend and fellow builder Rutledge Fuller and a few more fixes he took her out for taxi testing. Every thing went well so he took her up for a few crow hops (3,500' of grass) before we ran out of time. She handled just fine but I wanted to do a little more trimming before we released her for a complete wring out of everything she is capable of doing. She really looked great in the air. Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, Mk lll/912 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Lee" <rlee468(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Titan Tornado 1 for sale
Date: Apr 23, 2004
I just reduced the price $1,000.00. Check it out on barnstormers.com Ron Lee ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: First flight of Kolb Mk lll, N7078A
Date: Apr 24, 2004
Duane, I'm glad the procrastination finally came to an end. This should have happened last year but I'm sure glad it finally happened. Gene On Apr 23, 2004, at 9:37 PM, H MITCHELL wrote: > > Finally... > I ran out of things to fix on my Mk lll this afternoon and got into > the flight test prep mode. After a final inspection by my friend and > fellow builder Rutledge Fuller and a few more fixes he took her out > for taxi testing. Every thing went well so he took her up for a few > crow hops (3,500' of grass) before we ran out of time. She handled > just fine but I wanted to do a little more trimming before we released > her for a complete wring out of everything she is capable of doing. > She really looked great in the air. > > Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, Mk lll/912 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Monument Valley
Date: Apr 24, 2004
I'm new to the forum.... Where and when is the Monument Valley gathering? What's the field like? I might be interested in flying there..... and my plane can handle certain off-airport scenarios, if necessary. Thanks, Dave Paule Boulder, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 24, 2004
Subject: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bryan Green Subject: Identify This Plane...? http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lgreen1@sc.rr.com.04.24.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 24, 2004
Subject: [ Larry Cottrell ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Larry Cottrell Subject: Contrasting Views of Oregon... http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lcottrel@kfalls.net.02.24.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 24, 2004
Subject: [ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Mike Pierzina Subject: Wing Fold Pins http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.04.24.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 24, 2004
Subject: [ Dave Pelletier (AzDave) ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Dave Pelletier (AzDave) Subject: Wing Fold Pins http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/pelletier@cableone.net.04.24.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley
Date: Apr 24, 2004
Thanks! Do I need to make reservations if I decide to come? I'd be camping at my airplane tie-down spot. And yes, I'd bring tie-downs, etc. If I do it, I'd be arriving Friday but would leave early. And I'd have room/weight allowance to haul stuff Dave Paule Boulder, CO ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Petty" <Lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Re: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Date: Apr 24, 2004
Bryan, Not a positive ID but it looks a lot like a Hatz. Have a look here http://www.weebeastie.com/hatzcb1/ pp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Email List Photo Shares" </ Subject: Kolb-List: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Bryan Green > > > Subject: Identify This Plane...? > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lgreen1@sc.rr.com.04.24.2004/index.html > > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures(at)matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Date: Apr 24, 2004
Bryan/Kolbers, Might be an Eagle Rock biplane. (SWAG) Is this a test? Do the questions get harder? ; ) Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Email List Photo Shares" <pictures(at)matronics.com> Subject: Kolb-List: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Bryan Green > > > Subject: Identify This Plane...? > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lgreen1@sc.rr.com.04.24.2004/index.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "robert mason" <masonclan(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley..Jim Clayton
Date: Apr 24, 2004
...My name is Robert.New to the Kolb family...working on an Xtra... will be coming to MV. also for Jim Clayton: Jim,, Not sure if you got my message, I'll be going to MV and will be able to bring your friend back with me if he still needs a ride.. Robert Simi Valley -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Paule Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley ============== Contributions other ============== ============== http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list ============== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Netsky Virus
Date: Apr 24, 2004
I know the rules about hoaxes, etc., but this is not a hoax. I just went thru a session with the "Netsky32" virus, and it was a nightmare. I used Norton to root it out, but it was a long, head-banging process. It came on a txt attachment from a friend that I've been having an ongoing dialog with. I'm generally pretty wary of any attachments, but I was 1/2 expecting this one, so opened it, and WHAM ! ! ! If you get an email from me with ANY attachment, DON'T open it ! ! ! If I'm going to send an attachment, I'll ask you first and wait for a reply. P.O.'ed Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Monument Valley
Date: Apr 24, 2004
There have been quite a few questions about the set-up and facilities at Goulding's Resort in Monument Valley, so I went ahead and played with a couple of last years photos in Paint, and put them on a web page. Take a look at: http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/valley.html If you have more questions, ask on the Kolb List, or email me direct..........with no attachments. :-) Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley
Date: Apr 24, 2004
Also on this subject, for the newcomers to the List, last year I built a web page on our Monument Valley trip. You can see it on my website, highlighted below, and go to Traveling/Monument Valley. What Fun ! ! ! Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley > > There have been quite a few questions about the set-up and facilities at Goulding's Resort in Monument Valley, so I went ahead and played with a couple of last years photos in Paint, and put them on a web page. Take a look at: > > http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/valley.html > > If you have more questions, ask on the Kolb List, or email me direct..........with no attachments. :-) > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Building Kolb Mk III > N78LB Vamoose > www.gogittum.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Christopher Armstrong" <tophera(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Date: Apr 24, 2004
Maybe a Tiger Moth? http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/de-havilland-tiger-moth-ii.htm Your plane appears to have an upright inline engine and straighter wings. The tiger moth has an inverted inline engine and more swept wings... Myabe a bit rounder in the tail. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Email List Photo Shares Subject: Kolb-List: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bryan Green Subject: Identify This Plane...? http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lgreen1@sc.rr.com.04.24.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "bryan green" <lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Date: Apr 24, 2004
Naw it's not a test. a guy that works with my wife is an artist and that's a reproduction he did from an old photo. He would like to know the aircraft type to put on the painting, so I was ask to help. Thanks to all that have replied. Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > > Bryan/Kolbers, > > Might be an Eagle Rock biplane. (SWAG) > > Is this a test? Do the questions get harder? ; > ) > > Ed in JXN > MkII/503 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Email List Photo Shares" <pictures(at)matronics.com> > To: "Email List Photo Shares" > Subject: Kolb-List: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > > > > > > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > > > Poster: Bryan Green > > > > > > Subject: Identify This Plane...? > > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lgreen1@sc.rr.com.04.24.2004/index.html > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James, Ken" <KDJames(at)berkscareer.com>
Subject: Aero-news.net
Date: Apr 26, 2004
Check out today's aero-news.net, some one bought the Kolb Demo with that great Flag paint job! Lucky guy Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Skywaylodge(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 26, 2004
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/25/04
I have not used this site in the past. Would someone be so kind as to tell me how to place an add to sell my 2001 Kolb Mark III. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Skywaylodge(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 26, 2004
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 04/22/04
If there is anyone that can walk me through the steps to place an add for my 2001 Kolb Mrk III I would appreciate it. I can fly an airplane but have no idea how to use a computer. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject: {Spam?} way off topic and on topic
Date: Apr 26, 2004
have bought a lake cabin "RIGHT" but someone has taken the pressure tank " water well" by busting everything loose, anyone know where i can find a drawing of how to hook a new one up ? thanks ron w in west tx. BTW july 10,we are having our 2 nd flyin here SWW sweetwater,tx. you listinn' john and john? home of the wasp pilots. lots of room. working on flyer now. just gonna be a breakfast flyin a one day deal. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 26, 2004
Subject: Re: First flight of Kolb Mk lll, N7078A
In a message dated 4/23/04 9:37:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mitchmnd(at)msn.com writes: > Finally... > I ran out of things to fix on my Mk lll this afternoon and got into the > flight test prep mode. After a final inspection by my friend and fellow builder > Rutledge Fuller and a few more fixes he took her out for taxi testing. Every > thing went well so he took her up for a few crow hops (3,500' of grass) before > we ran out of time. She handled just fine but I wanted to do a little more > trimming before we released her for a complete wring out of everything she is > capable of doing. She really looked great in the air. > > Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, Mk lll/912 > > Congratulations Duane the plane....what is this, your third or fourth Kolb....enjoyed seeing you again at S n F with Gene Ledbetter. george Randolph firestar driver from the villages ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 27, 2004
From: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917(at)direcway.com>
Subject: kolb for sale
Just wanted to let all you great people out there know that I have finished restoring my original firestar. It is circa 86', no special mods except what was recommended. Took the ole girl down to her bare bones, checked every weld and everything else for ware and tare. Used light stits on tail section and heavier cloth on wings. UV proofed, and painted yellow with blue trim. Reinforced bow tips and has the heavy drag strut and half rib. 447 with 100 hours on motor and components. IVO ground adjust, two blade. Reg/Rec and Batt installed. All necessary gauges. BRS canister chute come with it but not installed. Zipper center gap seal and quick fold mechisms in place. Great little flyer, ready for new owner. Has 700 hrs on airframe since new. Full enclosure and short windshield furnished. see at www.homestead.com/southernflyers for sale section. $10,000.00 It is ready for another thousand hours +. Ted Cowan This one is for all you guys like me that like flying around but not to get there. Put the little critter on a trailer (one could come with it) and drive it there, fly it when there and drive it home. No storms to worry about. Hate to even sell it but I gotta pay for my new Slingshot somehow. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 27, 2004
From: Jimmy <jhankin(at)planters.net>
Subject: Plantation Flying Club Fly-In
VIDALIA_1332 , ST SIMONS-905 , SPRINGFIELD_330 , PERRY_38 , MOULTRIE-1082 , LAWRENCEVILLE-690 , DUBLIN-1195 , DAWSON-354 , Dale Sellers , COLUMBUS-677 , CARROLLTOM-976 , BLAIRSVILLE-1211 , AUGUSTA_172 The Second Plantation Fly-in will be held on May 1, 2004 at the Plantation Air Park (JYL) Sylvania, Georgia. General Aviation and Ultralight's welcome. Starting at 8:00 am. A Low Country Broil will be served, Pilots flying in free lunch. Full facilities: Two runways 5 and 15, right traffic. 3800' X 75' 15 and 33, 5000' X 100' Elevation 188' Unicom 122.8 Beacon Restrooms Fuel, credit cards Lat. 32*38.73'N Lon 81*35.79'W Weather, 912 857 9000 Contact: Jimmy Hankinson 912 863 7384 jhankin(at)planters.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 28, 2004
Subject: Re: kolb for sale
I am looking for a trailer for my Firestar KX ...hopefully one that has a cover for it for storage. Travel would be minimal with the possible exception of one trip from Warren Ohio to The Villages in North Florida. Otherwise I will have to fly the puppy down to Fl and I don't have any X country experience.....woe is me....It would be great, but ....I'm too scared....and ...feeble....and ....weak....I think. George Randolph Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Mark III For Sale
Date: Apr 28, 2004
Herb, Have you any photos of the plane? Any damage history? Logbooks? Are you willing to take anything in trade? I have nice buildable residential land in Brookesville, FL available. Thanks in advance, Doug Lawton NE Georgia & Whitwell TN Mathews Field ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Timandjan(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 28, 2004
Subject: Carb boots and Ivo prop question
Thought I sent this a week ago but I guess it did not go through. I am replacing the rubber carb boots between the carbs and the intake maniflds on my 503. I read somewhere that they should be cleaned first and leaf or someone at Sun in Fun where I got them said to coat them with lithium grease. I thought they should be cleaned to remove any grease so this contradicts what I thought to be correct. What is everyone else doing with these. I am mostly concerned with longitivity and to make sure they don't slip because of the grease. Added grip. Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of my prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change them out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the 200inch pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the jamb nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be overtightned increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them and used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as well. Thanks for the input. Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy(at)visi.net>
Subject: Re: tire question
Date: Apr 28, 2004
> The dot or dots are put on the tire at the lightest point on the > circumfrence of the tire's bead... Rotate the tire so the dot aligns with > the valve stem... Absolutely correct except they are at the heaviest "side" of the tire. Usually the rim is a few oz lighter where the stem hole is. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Carb boots and Ivo prop question
Date: Apr 28, 2004
| I am replacing the rubber carb boots between the carbs and the intake | maniflds on my 503. I read somewhere that they should be cleaned first and leaf or | someone at Sun in Fun where I got them said to coat them with lithium grease. Hi Tim/Gang: Clean the inside, contact area, then mount carb. The lithium grease goes on the outside to keep the rubber pliable and prevent cracking. No grease on inside!!! | They are religious about the 200inch | pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the jamb | nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be overtightned | increasing the 200inch pound setting. I be the first to admit I do not know anything about IVO props. I fly with them when I fly factory aircraft, but the Kolb guys maintain the prop. However, a requirement to check torque of prop bolts every 10 hours indicates to me that IVO has a problem with this model prop. For some of us, this would mean retorque prop bolts every day or so while on a cross country flight. Again, I qualify myself as not knowing anything about the prop. This is my opinion only. For those interested. Warp Drive props I use are torqued during installation. I have flown as much as 450 hours without ever retorqueing prop bolts. That did not help you with your question on using double nuts to lock the prop bolts. john h ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2004
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch pounds. Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo recommendations... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of my >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change them >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the 200inch >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the jamb >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be >overtightned >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them and >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as well. > >Thanks for the input. > >Tim > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2004
From: "Bob N." <ronoy(at)shentel.net>
Subject: Re: Carb boots and Ivo prop question
Re: prop bolts. I recently posted a msg wherein I recounted some "advice" from what I called a "safety inspector" at a fly-in. He said I should put nuts on my IVO prop bolts. Prop/hub came on factory FF from Old Kolb...without the nuts. Bob N. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2004
Subject: Ultrastar for sale
From: Bruce L Borg <blborg(at)juno.com>
Listers: Have Ultrastar for sale. Details and pictures on Barnstormers. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "G. Thompson" <eagle1(at)commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
Date: Apr 28, 2004
For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of "Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had another problem. George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question > > I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them > once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch pounds. > Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo recommendations... > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > > > > >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of my > >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change them > >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the 200inch > >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the jamb > >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be > >overtightned > >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them and > >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as well. > > > >Thanks for the input. > > > >Tim > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Johann" <johann(at)gi.is>
Subject: Kiev Hotprop.
Date: Apr 28, 2004
Hi list members. Anyone used a Hotprop from Kiev on a Kolb? Would be very interested to know any pros and cons on that prop, comared to the most used Ivo and Warp props. Best regards. Johann from Iceland. Firestar II. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2004
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
From: ul15rhb(at)juno.com
I use stopnuts (nylock) on the back of the prop hub with an Ivo. The prop has been on there for 450 hours without any problem. I check the tightness every year. Do not use stop nuts on a wooden prop as the wood compresses and loosens up the prop bolts. Stop nuts wouldn't do any good. I had to check the prop bolts often with the wooden prop. Composite props, Ivo or Warp, are the only props that should be used on a pusher. Ralph Original Firestar 17 years flying it Rotax 447/Ivo 2-blade -- "G. Thompson" wrote: For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of "Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had another problem. George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question > > I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them > once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch pounds. > Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo recommendations... > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > > > > >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of my > >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change them > >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the 200inch > >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the jamb > >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be > >overtightned > >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them and > >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as well. > > > >Thanks for the input. > > > >Tim > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2004
From: curtis groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: firestar ll
From the novice: Firestar ll The manual says to install the braces in the horiz. and vert. stabilizers with brackets bent to a 1/32 inch radius. Suggestions on what to use to do that bending, please. Also, did any of you spray zinc chromate primer on any parts or the steel parts after drilling? Thanks to Paul Petty, Richard Pike, and Tim and Jan for their responses back in February on the worktable. It's been slow starting but the table is done, some tools acquired, and hopefully I can get serious now. Thanks. Curt Groote ===== __________________________________ http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2004
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
Note, there are regular and locking versions of PAL Nuts. Here's a handy link to see what they are. You may also want to note there are AN metal locking nuts - look some thing a castle nut but are locking - used in places like exhaust systems where things get hot and a fiber nut would hold up. http://www.mrgusa.com/pdfs/83-89palnut.pdf jerb > >For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did >not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a >long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a >quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of >"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts >on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had >another problem. > George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question > > > > > > I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them > > once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch >pounds. > > Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo >recommendations... > > > > Richard Pike > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of >my > > >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change >them > > >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the >200inch > > >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the >jamb > > >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be > > >overtightned > > >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them >and > > >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as >well. > > > > > >Thanks for the input. > > > > > >Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2004
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
Ralph, Why do you say wood props should not be used on a pusher? Seems like fiber (ny-lock) nuts would be even appropriate for wood prop - if they loosened at all it would at least keep them from backing out of the prop mounting flange. jerb > > >I use stopnuts (nylock) on the back of the prop hub with an Ivo. The prop >has been on there for 450 hours without any problem. I check the tightness >every year. > >Do not use stop nuts on a wooden prop as the wood compresses and loosens >up the prop bolts. Stop nuts wouldn't do any good. I had to check the prop >bolts often with the wooden prop. > >Composite props, Ivo or Warp, are the only props that should be used on a >pusher. > >Ralph >Original Firestar >17 years flying it >Rotax 447/Ivo 2-blade > >-- "G. Thompson" wrote: > >For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did >not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a >long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a >quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of >"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts >on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had >another problem. > George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question > > > > > > I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them > > once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch >pounds. > > Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo >recommendations... > > > > Richard Pike > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of >my > > >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change >them > > >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the >200inch > > >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the >jamb > > >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be > > >overtightned > > >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them >and > > >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as >well. > > > > > >Thanks for the input. > > > > > >Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "woody" <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Subject: Re: Tortoises
Date: Apr 28, 2004
vaturtle dosn't have the same ring to it. > Well let's think about this, it may be very appropriate. It seems the > builder is building at about the pace of a turtle. Yup, I think it would > definitely fit. Lar, your going to have to change the name of the plane > and the picture you had planned for the tail. B ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: Tortoises
Date: Apr 28, 2004
Lar; Sorry I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for, but, this may give you an idea or two regarding the new logo for renaming the Vamoose. This is a pic of a super turtle MOLD for making models, but, I envision one similar with a cape & maybe stretched out in a nearly horizontal position, on the tail of the "new" Aerial Tortoise, or maybe the "Attack of the Flying Turtle"-type of logo. You know, ....... Protector of the lower limits of the airspaces, Defender of the pastures, Keeper of the gas cans, Etc. George Hope the pic comes thru --- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2004
From: Bob Bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Tortoises
> > >..... Protector of the lower limits of the >airspaces, Defender of the pastures, Keeper of the >gas cans, Etc. > >George > >Lar defends the west coast lower limits, I'm doing my part > here in the east. (and I used to wonder about the old geezers with the J3 cubs sinking into the ground - slipping into the same category ) :) -BB do not archive > >--- > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: lock nuts on props
Date: Apr 29, 2004
Those PAL nuts sound like a good backup for bolts into a threaded hub. -if you torqued into the hub and then retorqued a fibre self-locker as a backup, it makes me wonder what happens to the original hub torque. -might as well bore the hub holes to bolt size and rely on the nuts to do the job singularly. The list has previously been over the subject of stretch ------------------------------------- if putting a lock nut on a bolt through a threaded hub i would only tighten the locknut to 1/2 the touque put on the prop bolt. just my thoughts. boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Flap Lever Retainer
Date: Apr 29, 2004
Kolb Friends - Looking for some advice from our Mark-3 drivers. My flap handle keeps popping out of position. The detent notches don't seem to keep the flap handle in place securely enough. Any recommendations to fix this? I looked at Richard Pike's website and the details of his re-worked, 7-position flap system. Awsome piece of work, but I'm looking for something a bit simpler that does not involve cutting & re-welding. Like a retaining strap or something. Any ideas will be appreciated. Many thanks - Dennis Kirby Mark-3, Verner-1400 New Mexico ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "G. Thompson" <eagle1(at)commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: lock nuts on props
Date: Apr 29, 2004
Those pressed steel "Pal" nuts I spoke of do not rely on torque for their holding strength. They sort of Bite into the threads of the protruding bolt for their grip. They hardly require any torque to do there thing. I am sure they would not change the torque reading of the cap screws that are already torqued to a specific reading. The Bald Eagle of Arizona ----- Original Message ----- From: "boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> Subject: Kolb-List: lock nuts on props > > > Those PAL nuts sound like a good backup for bolts into a threaded hub. > -if you torqued into the hub and then retorqued a fibre self-locker as > a backup, it makes me wonder what happens to the original hub torque. > -might as well bore the hub holes to bolt size and rely on the nuts to do > the job singularly. The list has previously been over the subject of > stretch > ------------------------------------- > > if putting a lock nut on a bolt through a threaded hub i would only tighten the locknut to 1/2 the touque put on the prop bolt. > > just my thoughts. > > boyd > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2004
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Flap Lever Retainer
Went out and looked at mine, tried to remember what it originally looked like, here's an idea: Get a screen door type spring about ???" long, and 2 hose clamps. Clamp one end of the spring to the tubing ahead of the flat springy part of the lever, and the other end of the spring to the diagonal brace that runs from near the flap lever to the side vertical tube. It would add tension to keep the lever left, but still be able to pull the lever right so you could move it. I can visualize it, but it may not work in practice, food for thought. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > >Kolb Friends - > >Looking for some advice from our Mark-3 drivers. > >My flap handle keeps popping out of position. The detent notches don't seem >to keep the flap handle in place securely enough. Any recommendations to >fix this? > >I looked at Richard Pike's website and the details of his re-worked, >7-position flap system. Awsome piece of work, but I'm looking for something >a bit simpler that does not involve cutting & re-welding. Like a retaining >strap or something. > >Any ideas will be appreciated. Many thanks - > >Dennis Kirby >Mark-3, Verner-1400 >New Mexico > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Elder" <billelder(at)denver.net>
Subject: Re: Flap Lever Retainer
Date: Apr 29, 2004
Dennis - I did my Mark III just like Richard did and it has worked great. By the way - I have 38 hours on my plane and sure am enjoying it! Bill in Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flap Lever Retainer > > Went out and looked at mine, tried to remember what it originally looked > like, here's an idea: > > Get a screen door type spring about ???" long, and 2 hose clamps. Clamp one > end of the spring to the tubing ahead of the flat springy part of the > lever, and the other end of the spring to the diagonal brace that runs from > near the flap lever to the side vertical tube. It would add tension to keep > the lever left, but still be able to pull the lever right so you could move > it. I can visualize it, but it may not work in practice, food for thought. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > > > > >Kolb Friends - > > > >Looking for some advice from our Mark-3 drivers. > > > >My flap handle keeps popping out of position. The detent notches don't seem > >to keep the flap handle in place securely enough. Any recommendations to > >fix this? > > > >I looked at Richard Pike's website and the details of his re-worked, > >7-position flap system. Awsome piece of work, but I'm looking for something > >a bit simpler that does not involve cutting & re-welding. Like a retaining > >strap or something. > > > >Any ideas will be appreciated. Many thanks - > > > >Dennis Kirby > >Mark-3, Verner-1400 > >New Mexico > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: I broke my Kolb
Date: Apr 30, 2004
Fellow Kolbers: This was a miserable night. I banged up my Kolb pretty badly tonight. During some taxi testing, not even a flight, I caught a gust of wind and was unable to recover. I wound up leaving the runway and entering an extremely rutted field. I tore off both landing gear and the prop somehow managed to give a blow to the boom tube. The Ivo prop is a goner, without a doubt, and the landing gear can be replaced. The question I now have, and wish to pose to all of you, is what to do about the damage to the boom tube. It's difficult to describe the damage and I did take several digital photos after we managed to get the plane back to my hangar. If any of you are willing to examine the photos and offer your thoughts on whether the boom can be fixed and how, I'd be incredible grateful. If you are, please let me know and I'll send you a zipfile of the photos. Having said that it's difficult to describe, I'm going to try anyhow! There are two "creases" in the top of the tube, obviously just under the prop arc. Neither one punctured the metal. The smaller is approximately 2" long and 1/8" deep. The larger is 2.5" farther after and is approximately 3.5" long and 1/4" deep. As you all know MUCH better than I, replacing the boom tube is Very Big Job. What only a few of you know is that I am Very Poorly Qualified or Equipped to do such a job. Some of those who helped me rescue the bird this evening suggested that a sleeve repair might be attempted. Any and all thoughts are welcome, and I beg those of you with expertise in this type of work to share your thoughts with me, particularly anyone who has had similar damage. Much saddened, -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Giovanni Day" <gde01(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: I broke my Kolb
Date: Apr 30, 2004
Ken, I just wanted to say I feel for you. I cannot imagine how I would feel if I had this happen to me. I guess I would cry! Good luck. Giovanni ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: I broke my Kolb
Date: Apr 29, 2004
Sorry to hear about it, Ken. My immediate thought is to bite the bullet and put in a new tube. Lotsa work, but you only got 1 butt. Anything can be fixed, but that boom tube is critical. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Building Kolb Mk III N78LB Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net> Subject: Kolb-List: I broke my Kolb > > Fellow Kolbers: > > This was a miserable night. I banged up my Kolb pretty badly tonight. During some taxi testing, not even a flight, I caught a gust of wind and was unable to recover. I wound up leaving the runway and entering an extremely rutted field. I tore off both landing gear and the prop somehow managed to give a blow to the boom tube. The Ivo prop is a goner, without a doubt, and the landing gear can be replaced. The question I now have, and wish to pose to all of you, is what to do about the damage to the boom tube. > > It's difficult to describe the damage and I did take several digital photos after we managed to get the plane back to my hangar. If any of you are willing to examine the photos and offer your thoughts on whether the boom can be fixed and how, I'd be incredible grateful. If you are, please let me know and I'll send you a zipfile of the photos. > > Having said that it's difficult to describe, I'm going to try anyhow! > > There are two "creases" in the top of the tube, obviously just under the prop arc. Neither one punctured the metal. The smaller is approximately 2" long and 1/8" deep. The larger is 2.5" farther after and is approximately 3.5" long and 1/4" deep. > > As you all know MUCH better than I, replacing the boom tube is Very Big Job. What only a few of you know is that I am Very Poorly Qualified or Equipped to do such a job. Some of those who helped me rescue the bird this evening suggested that a sleeve repair might be attempted. > > Any and all thoughts are welcome, and I beg those of you with expertise in this type of work to share your thoughts with me, particularly anyone who has had similar damage. > > Much saddened, > > -Ken Fackler > Kolb Mark II / A722KWF > Rochester MI > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Apr 30, 2004
Subject: Re: I broke my Kolb
Hello Ken. I am also really sorry to hear how your crow hop went. Crow hops are hard to do for someone who is just starting to fly ultralights, my experiance is, do not do crow hops. I did something simular you did with my first Firestar. I needed to replace the landing gear sockets in the cage and recover the bottom of the cage. If you need to do that, replacing the main tube would not be that hard. I would still replace the tail boom tube. You will never be happy with your plane with a sleeved tube. It will always remind you of your mishap. The tube may cost you something more, but the plane will be like new when finished. The main thing is to replace the H brace. The other is to make sure the alignment is correct. Not that much work. Go for it. Hope this is an encouragement for your to start the repair today. Best wishes, Johann G. > > Fellow Kolbers: > > This was a miserable night. I banged up my Kolb pretty badly tonight. During > some taxi testing, not even a flight, I caught a gust of wind and was unable > to recover. I wound up leaving the runway and entering an extremely rutted > field. I tore off both landing gear and the prop somehow managed to give a > blow to the boom tube. The Ivo prop is a goner, without a doubt, and the > landing gear can be replaced. The question I now have, and wish to pose to > all of you, is what to do about the damage to the boom tube. > > It's difficult to describe the damage and I did take several digital photos > after we managed to get the plane back to my hangar. If any of you are > willing to examine the photos and offer your thoughts on whether the boom can > be fixed and how, I'd be incredible grateful. If you are, please let me know > and I'll send you a zipfile of the photos.


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