Duane the plane,
I drilled a couple of holes near the end of the gap seal that line up to
the keel tube in front of the engine. I installed an eyebolt and nuts in
each one with the "eye" of the eyebolt facing downwards. Then I got a
mini bungee cord (about a foot long and thin) that wraps once around the
keel tube and attaches crossways to each of the eyebolts. This has two
functions in that it dampens the vibrations in the gap seal and also
keeps it held down should the velcro fail.
Since I fold the wings each time I fly, I get under the wings and remove
the bungee cord from the eyebolts and link it to itself around the keel
tube so that I can take the gap seal off and don't lose the bungee for
the next flight.
Ralph
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
writes:
>
> Hi Gang,
> 'Took my Firefly for a hop this A.M. and she was happy to go. After
> climbout I took her up to cruise speed and was tooling along just
> fine until I heard one of those strange noises we all dread. 'Made
> it back to the field and set her down without further problems. When
> I looked her over I found that the back section of my metal wing gap
> cover had popped up and was making all the noise.
>
> Close examination showed that one area of two inch wide velcro had
> lost most of it's "fuz". It has been on there for about two years
> and was not bald but definitely less than new. I used a piece of new
> matching Velcro to test it's holding power and confirmed that it was
> no longer holding as it should. In addition the cables going to the
> BRS rocket were not where they should be and were pushing against
> the underside of the gap cover.
>
> Note: it was the fuzzy side of the velcro that lost it's grip the
> loop side tested o.k.
>
> Builder's Note: I found that removing the Velcro from the top of the
> inboard wing rib was going to be a real problem because it is glued
> on and MEK would make a real mess of the fabric in that area. I will
> probably just glue a new piece on top of the old one. The matching
> velcro (loops) on the underside of the metal gap cover is o.k. I
> should have had the fuzzy side glued to the metal so that when it
> wore out it would be easy to remove because the MEK would not damage
> the metal.
>
> Living and still learning,
>
> Duane the plane Tallahassee, FL, FireFly SN007, Mk3/912.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"garvelink" <link(at)cdc.net>
Subject:
Re: Velcro deterioration
Date:
Mar 13, 2004
I dont know if petroleium products will mess with the wing but there are
several for removing the glue on velcro and other things that you might want
to look at. I use a product called removeit 3M makes a citrus based remover
but probably best to talk to the manufacturer of your fabric to see if they
recommend something.
Srglink
----- Original Message -----
From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Velcro deterioration
>
> Hi Gang,
> 'Took my Firefly for a hop this A.M. and she was happy to go. After
climbout I took her up to cruise speed and was tooling along just fine until
I heard one of those strange noises we all dread. 'Made it back to the field
and set her down without further problems. When I looked her over I found
that the back section of my metal wing gap cover had popped up and was
making all the noise.
>
> Close examination showed that one area of two inch wide velcro had lost
most of it's "fuz". It has been on there for about two years and was not
bald but definitely less than new. I used a piece of new matching Velcro to
test it's holding power and confirmed that it was no longer holding as it
should. In addition the cables going to the BRS rocket were not where they
should be and were pushing against the underside of the gap cover.
>
> Note: it was the fuzzy side of the velcro that lost it's grip the loop
side tested o.k.
>
> Builder's Note: I found that removing the Velcro from the top of the
inboard wing rib was going to be a real problem because it is glued on and
MEK would make a real mess of the fabric in that area. I will probably just
glue a new piece on top of the old one. The matching velcro (loops) on the
underside of the metal gap cover is o.k. I should have had the fuzzy side
glued to the metal so that when it wore out it would be easy to remove
because the MEK would not damage the metal.
>
> Living and still learning,
>
> Duane the plane Tallahassee, FL, FireFly SN007, Mk3/912.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Thom Riddle" <jtriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Subject:
Re: Big Bang
Date:
Mar 13, 2004
I see in my crystal ball a mechanic looking for a new career.
Thom in Buffalo
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors)
Date:
Mar 13, 2004
Hello!
I am writing an article for Kitplanes magazine that will feature builders who have
distinctive interiors and/or exteriors.
My deadline is rather short, so if you could email me as soon as possible, hopefully
by Tuesday, that will give me enough time to put it together.
Here are some of the criteria I'm looking for:
Interiors that are (one or any combination):
1. creative
2. inexpensive
3. very comfortable
4. lightweight
5. generally cool and different
6. distinctive in some way.
Exteriors that are:
1.. stunningly attractive
2.. original design
3.. historically accurate
4.. distinctive in some way
Other things to keep in mind:
1. How you came to design your interior/exterior (How you got your idea)
2. The reasons why you did it as you did
3. What benefits you had in mind
4. Any unexpected benefits (and/or pitfalls) there were
5. What you learned
6. How many hours you've flown with it (if completed)
7. How much of the work did you do yourself?
8. Did you have any professional assistance? How much?
9. The equipment and tools you used
10. How much time it took to build and install
11. The cost of building it.
12. Would you do it again the same way? Why?
Here are the photo requirements for Kitplanes: Photos must be 300 dpi at a size
large enough to use in the magazine, which is usually at least 3 x 3 inches.
If an image is 300 dpi at 1 x 1 inch, it won't be big enough to do any good. Hard
copy photos are good, too.
Thanks so much - I really appreciate your help!
best regards,
Cory Emberson
Hayward, CA [KHWD]
510.599.4409
cory(at)lightspeededit.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Well everyone.....I have updated my Website a little..to reflect the mods
that are taking place.
Here is a link to page 14...the enclosure page..showing the method I used to
enclose the upper rear half of the cage..and the 10 gallon Challenger tank
is installed on page 15. The single strut mod is on a page labled strut mods
. Menu is on the bottom of each page.
NOW...keep in mind here..I dont recommend that any a you turds or anyone
else do this to a perfectly good FireFly. I just put up the pics so you can
see what I have done...and if anyone sees something they think is stupid..or
dangerous lemme know so I can examine what I have done. IF you just dont
like it, well...keep it to yourself!!! :) (grin).
...My apoligies to Dennis Souder who's work on designing this bird still has
not been equaled in this industry. It probably makes Dennis cringe when he
sees a great airplane like the FireFly all messed up like this..If I
designed this airplane..it probably would make me feel that away!...So
Dennis..you better not look at these pages pard. You have been awfully
helpful, cordial and respectful to me..and I think you designed the best
ultralight in the industry!...and...I believe it still is even after several
years! Hard to believe no body has done it since.
here is a link to page 14
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/enclosure.htm
Don G
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Afordfan(at)aol.com
Date:
Mar 13, 2004
Subject:
Re: Craftsman Tools
I have a craftsman that clicks when you get to torque. About 25 years old.
Just took it to work and had it calibrated. It's right on.
Bruce
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Frank Reynen" <frank_reynen(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject:
Re: Monument Valley 2004
Date:
Mar 13, 2004
John and MV list
I had a three week RV trip sheduled to visit Colorado and just made my
camping arrangements with Gouldings to join the MV group
for a couple of days (no MKIII)
Hope to see you there.
Frank Reynen MKIII/912/Lotus floats 804 hrs
frank_reynen(at)ix.netcom.com
www.webcom.com/reynen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot(at)comcast.net>
> To:
> > Folks that have stated an interest in gathering at Monument Valley
during
> > May 14-17, 2004:
> >
> > John Hauck, Kolb Mark III, Titus, AL jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
> > John Williamson, Kolb Kolbra, Arlington, TX kolbrapilot(at)comcast.net
> > Boyd Young, Kolb Mark III, Brigham City, UT by0ung(at)brigham.net
> > Craig Nelson, Kolb Mark IIIXtra, Gilbert, AZ vitalfx0(at)msn.com
> > Dave Pelletier, Kolb Mark III or FireStar, Prescott, AZ
> > pelletier(at)cableone.net
> > Dave Rains, Cessna 175, El Paso, TX rr(at)htg.net
> > Dennis Kirby, Kolb Mark III, Cedar Crest, NM
Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil
> > Erich Weaver, Kolb Mark III , Santa Barbara, CA
erich_weaver(at)urscorp.com
> > Gary Haley, Kolb Mark III, Houston, TX ghaley(at)wt.net
> > Jim Hefner, Kolb FireFly, Tucson, AZ hefners_tucson(at)hotmail.com
> > John Bickham, Kolb Mark III, St. Francisville, LA BICUM(at)aol.com
> > Larry Bourne, Kolb Mark III, Palm Springs, CA biglar(at)gogittum.com
> > Larry Cottrell, Kolb Mark III, Klamath Falls, OR lcottrel(at)kfalls.net
> > Tim Gherkins, Kolb FireStar II, Gilbert, AZ rp3420(at)motorola.com
> > Tom Kuffel, Prospector, Whitefish, MT kuffel(at)cyberport.net
> > Will Uribe, Kolb FireStar II. El Paso, TX WillUribe(at)aol.com
> > Ted Cowan, Kolb SlingShot,Opelika, AL tcowan1917(at)direcway.com
> > Jim Clayton, Kolb Mark IIIXtra , Santa Clara, CA jspc78(at)yahoo.com
> > Bruce Williams, Kitfox, MS
> > Mark German, Kolb Kolbra, Chisago City, MN aerofab(at)worldnet.att.net
> > Bill Elder, Kolb Mark III, Conifer CO, billelder(at)denver.net
> >
> >
> > John Williamson
> > Arlington, TX
> >
> > Kolb Kolbra: 508 hours, Rotax 912 ULS
> > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 14, 2004
From:
"Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)lycos.com>
Subject:
Pictures of Dollies
Hey Guys,
The Pictures that I sent Matt went to the other list that I receive "Tailwind"...but
I copied the address , here it is :
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.03.13.2004/index.html
The're good for 300 lbs ea. and they don't add alot of height...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN ,cold & windy
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 14, 2004
From:
Ted Cowan <tcowan1917(at)direcway.com>
Subject:
Re: MV
Hate to do this but gotta back out of Monument Valley also. Our Club, the
Southern Flyers are hosting their spring fly in with cohost the local EAA
chapter for Headland Airport, Alabama. Hate to miss it. Ted Cowan, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
ZackGSD(at)aol.com
Date:
Mar 14, 2004
Subject:
Kolb for sale
Kolbers,
I hate to do it, but I have put my Kolb up for sale; my parent's (86 & 84
years young) have just come to live with us yesterday; so I will not have time
to
fly for awhile, & will need the money to help take care of them. Anyone
interested please, email me off list.
96 Kolb Firestar 1
503 - 97 hrs TT - 2nd owner
Enclosed, brakes, wheel pants, super paint - a very nice plane
Alan
Dallas, TX
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
UMA Tach
Date:
Mar 14, 2004
Hi Gang:
My day for whining.
Bought a UMA 3 1/8" tach to replace the Rotax 2 1/4" tach that has
been worn out. Took all of Friday afternoon and up until 1400
yesterday to get the tach installed and tested.
Hauck luck strikes again. The tach is a dedicated model for 912/914
engines. It has a feature that I did not want, but in order to get a
3 1/8" tach, I had to get the flight timer. Like an hour meter that
begins recording at 1800 rpm.
I was excited after spending so much time to get this instrument
installed and once again flying with an accurate tach. Wrong.
Cranked the engine and the tach looked good until 2000 rpm. A hair
over 2000 and it jumped to 4000 with a steady and rapid advance to the
peg, a little over 7000. The error is constant through out the scale
from startup to shutdown. Such a disappointing day, but flew anyhow,
over to my EAA Chap Meeting at Wetu AP 11 miles away. When I got back
to Gantt IAP, removed the tach, double checked the three connections,
12VDC, ground, and tach lead. All correct. All connections soldered.
I assume this tach is inop and unreliable. Will go through the drill
of boxing up, sending back, and waiting on a replacement to arrive to
go through the install drill once again. That is, of course, after I
try to convinve Acft Spruce they sent me a bad tach.
I had forgotten how time intensive working on our little birds can be.
I have had three tachs in the MKIII, VDO 3 1/4" for the 582 that would
not work with the 912, a Rotax 2 1/4" for the 912, which is now worn
out, and finally the 3 1/8" UMA. All three tachs required different
hole size requirements to fit into the instrument panel. I did make
up some new instr panel shock mts from Rotax radiator shock mounts
which took up some of that day I spent practicing tach installation.
If I had it to do again, I would have wired the instrument panel to a
plug and socket for easy removal. It is a pain in the butt to work on
inside the cockpit. Maybe next time.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject:
Re: FireFly Update and Mods..
Date:
Mar 14, 2004
Don;
An AWESOME website, and a real education
into the Kolb aircraft. Thank you,
George
---
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 15, 2004
Subject:
writers
From:
kinnepix <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net>
Just a brief comment --
It sounds as though Cory should have started her request with an explanation
of who she was and what she was doing, before she asked for any help, and
I'm sure she realizes this now.
But as a professional photographer-writer for all my adult life, I know
there IS NO "easy way to write an article". It's all hard work, esp. in a
new or unusual field. And I know that Editors are famous for saying "do this
by next week if you want this job" -- which puts a lot of pressure on the
writer. It's too easy, under this pressure, to lean on people a bit more
than you should, or short-cut things like introductions. She's just trying
to do her job. Let's help if we can.
We've all been through 'Theme Writing 101' at some point.
Russ Kinne
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 15, 2004
From:
Richard Pike <rwpike(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Airnav.com
For those of you that have been using Airnav.com to look up different
airports, it appears they are going to a List-for-fee type service. I have
gotten 4 notices that unless I send them ongoing payments, they are going
to drop Indian Springs airport off their listing. So don't be surprised if
many of the airports you used to find on their website are no longer there.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
________________________________________________________________________________
Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors)
Date:
Mar 15, 2004
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Armstrong [mailto:tophera(at)centurytel.net]
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article
(Interiors/Exteriors)
Cory,
Sorry you have received such rude replies from some of the Kolb listers. I
don't think I have anything useful to give you for your article since I
haven't gotten that far in my plane yet. I did contribute to the interior
of Powersport Aviation's RV-6A, putting a custom computer and engine
management and navigation software in the instrument panel, see
www.powersportaviation.com if that might interest you.
I think they are wrong to insult your research methods. Despite some of the
comments about your techniques by some of the listers, I think it is good to
go straight to the troops to hear what they are doing in the trenches so to
speak, as long as you do additional research on your own and compose the
information from all sources into a good article. I don't know where these
guys think you are supposed to get information about how people are
finishing their kitplane then from the kit builders?
Anyway, good luck and I look forward to reading the article since I hope to
be finishing my plane soon.
Topher
________________________________________________________________________________
gosh george.....thx fer the kind words....!
Don Gherardini
OEM.Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
CortLand, Illinois
800-626-7326
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: writers
Date:
Mar 15, 2004
Thanks Russ, I appreciate it. Editorial work is like that - "wait and hurry
up."
I do apologize for shorting you all on the introduction ... please pardon my
temporary lapse in good manners. :-)
Just for the record, with a smile, I am 46 - well past my yout', and never
had the chance to do research online when I was in college. We actually had
to show up at the library and find books and journals! I even had to write
my papers and theses on an IBM Selectric ... uphill, both ways! :-)
At any rate, I hope the waters are calmed and I appreciate the replies very
much. I have quite a few emails to wade through, and will reply to everyone
in person.
best regards,
Cory
>
> Just a brief comment --
> It sounds as though Cory should have started her request with an
explanation
> of who she was and what she was doing, before she asked for any help, and
> I'm sure she realizes this now.
> But as a professional photographer-writer for all my adult life, I know
> there IS NO "easy way to write an article". It's all hard work, esp. in a
> new or unusual field. And I know that Editors are famous for saying "do
this
> by next week if you want this job" -- which puts a lot of pressure on the
> writer. It's too easy, under this pressure, to lean on people a bit more
> than you should, or short-cut things like introductions. She's just trying
> to do her job. Let's help if we can.
> We've all been through 'Theme Writing 101' at some point.
> Russ Kinne
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Don,
What can I say ... very impressive design changes and craftsmanship!
Actually, not to worry, Dennis doesn't cringe over such things. Things that
have caused Dennis to cringe have been things like a VW installed in a Kolb
Flyer. Yes that's right - not a Soob in an UltraStar (although that does
carry some cringe factor too) - but a Flyer. Luckily I talked him about of
the VW, but lo and behold next time I visited he had 4 Chrysler West Bend
engines installed. Just had to have 4 cylinders, it would seem.
Reminiscent of that game wack-a-mole ... kept bopping away at the cylinders
and they would just pop up elsewhere else! Listening to Aubrey Radford talk
about his flying at SNF caused me to cringe, to say nothing about hearing
about what happened later. Oh yea, watching that old Kolb video with the
aerobatics causes me to cringe too.
The FireFly was just an original FireStar attacked by a huge pair of snips.
Homer's turn to cringe! Engine was too tough to cut, so we kept that
intact.
Thanks for the FF tour!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Update and Mods..
>
> Well everyone.....I have updated my Website a little..to reflect the mods
> that are taking place.
> Here is a link to page 14...the enclosure page..showing the method I used
to
> enclose the upper rear half of the cage..and the 10 gallon Challenger tank
> is installed on page 15. The single strut mod is on a page labled strut
mods
> . Menu is on the bottom of each page.
>
>
> ...My apoligies to Dennis Souder who's work on designing this bird still
has
> not been equaled in this industry. It probably makes Dennis cringe when he
> sees a great airplane like the FireFly all messed up like this..If I
> designed this airplane..it probably would make me feel that away!...So
> Dennis..you better not look at these pages pard. You have been awfully
> helpful, cordial and respectful to me..and I think you designed the best
> ultralight in the industry!...and...I believe it still is even after
several
> years! Hard to believe no body has done it since.
>
>
> here is a link to page 14
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/enclosure.htm
>
>
> Don G
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 16, 2004
From:
Ted Cowan <tcowan1917(at)direcway.com>
Subject:
Mark III
Anyone got a handle on what kind of time it takes to cover, finish and paint
(simple paint job) a Mark III. Please answer off list. Thanks. Ted.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 16, 2004
From:
Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi(at)supernet.com>
Subject:
Re: Dirt Strips
Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Here in Hoot-Owl-Holler country, we work under the theory that it is much
> easier to apologize than to get permission.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Is that what you tell the people at church on Sunday?? :-) Just kidding
I know what you are saying! -- Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject:
kolb ultrastar
Date:
Mar 17, 2004
my ultrastar is gonna sell by sunday or I'll put it in storage till i move to another
part of the country. it is ready to go needs nothing. good plane, flys
great. want 3500.00 after sunday it ain't for sale,, i'll keep it,,, it is in
sweetwater tx. phone is 325-721-2899 or email for pic's
sorry stan b. know it ain't friday but its gotta go or i keep it.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Alert
From:
Jim Gerken <gerken(at)us.ibm.com>
Date:
Mar 18, 2004
03/18/2004 06:58:27 AM
Not sure if this post to Kolb list is working, but just FYI;
I recieved a note with a virus, from Olenik Aviation, with a subject of
"Incoming Fax", this morning.
Jim Gerken
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 18, 2004
From:
jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: : Kolb-List:- Virus Alert
I also received a message today bearing the same subject but mine indicated
it was sent by our "BigLar".
jerb
>
> Not sure if this post to Kolb list is working, but just FYI;
>
> I recieved a note with a virus, from Olenik Aviation, with a subject of
>"Incoming Fax", this morning.
>
>Jim Gerken
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 18, 2004
From:
Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject:
Off topic: more on the CH701
I apologize in advance for the off-topic post... however, there was some
interest here a few weeks ago about photos I took of a friends' Zenair CH701...
Well, my friend, John Crosley, bought that Zenair CH701 in Wisconsin, and
had to ferry it down here to Houston. So, much like my trip down from
Minnesota, he had quite a story to tell about his adventures... not quite a
John H. level of adventure, but kinda interesting in its own right.
He has graciously permitted me to post his story and photos to
Texas-Flyer. I also re-routed the original set of photos so that they can
be found at the tail end of the story. I hope you enjoy it! (And, again,
sorry for the non-Kolb post.)
http://www.Texas-Flyer.com
-- Robert
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
BICUM(at)aol.com
Date:
Mar 19, 2004
Subject:
Lesson Learned - 912 & spark plug gap
Hello list,
This may be repetitive and common sense stuff to most. I have been having
trouble starting the 912 lately. Initially I attributed it to not running very
much. Between the long delivery on the new prop, weather, and work - not much
flying. My 912 had always crank almost instantly. Lately it has taken a lot
of cranking and several attempts. Warm starts were even taking longer than
normal too.
I had put new plugs in at 200 hours just before the Sept flight to KH/TNK.
Started seeing small hints then. I had gapped the plugs @ .80 mm. The
maintenance manual stipulates a .70 - .80 mm. If you read further (ain't that news),
it even has a statement about reducing the gap to .5 mm if you are having
starting problems. So I decided to check the spark plugs. Reduced the gaps to
.70 mm. There ain't much difference in the gap but it sure makes a lot
difference in the start. Cranks right up just like it used to.
Less than 2 months to MV!
Thanks & be careful,
John Bickham
St. Francisville, LA
Kolb Mark III Classic - 912
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Lesson Learned - 912 & spark plug gap
Date:
Mar 19, 2004
| This may be repetitive and common sense stuff to most. I have been
having
| trouble starting the 912 lately. | John Bickham
Morning John B/Gang:
Wish you had said something a little sooner.
I had that problem with a brand new 912, 10 years ago. Really
upsetting to have a brand new engine that would not fire. There were
no instructions in the new operators manuals to close up the gaps.
Was getting ready to leave for the long flight in 1994. Flew down to
Ronnie Smith's, Lucedale, MS, to see if we could trouble shoot the
problem. Once started, ran great. Just would not fire on start up.
Landed at Ronnie's. Went to lunch. When I came back, the 912 was
fixed. Hit the starter and it would fire right up. While I was at
lunch, Ronnie closed up the gap to .020".
Four years later, Lake Texoma, Texas. Bro Jim and I were ready to
head down to Dallas. 912 would not start. Pulled the plugs. Closed
the gaps to .020" and she fired right up.
Glad you got it figured out.
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Re: Lesson Learned - 912 & spark plug gap
From:
Dwight.Kottke(at)hti.htch.com
Date:
Mar 19, 2004
03/19/2004 10:18:49 AM,
Serialize complete at 03/19/2004 10:18:49 AM,
Itemize by SMTP Server on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003)
at
03/19/2004 10:18:42 AM,
Serialize by Router on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003)
at
03/19/2004 10:18:46 AM,
Serialize complete at 03/19/2004 10:18:46 AM
John B./John H./ and Udders (a little farm humor there):
Wish you had said something a little sooner.
912 would not start. Pulled the plugs. Closed
the gaps to .020" and she fired right up.........
"Your spark plug gap problems remind me of my Yamaha mechanic days. Back
in the 70's and 80's Yamaha had some screaming 350 cc two stroke
motorcycles. (which always kicked the snot out of the Honda's, NOTE: Don
G.) They had gap and fouling problems until CDI ignition came along. What
I did was remove the original factory coils, closed my eyes and threw
those damn things as far as I could. Then I went down to my local NAPA
auto parts store and bought Delco/Remy auto coils, the best plug wires and
caps, installed it all and the spark plug problems went away. Maybe this
is something that would help out the 912????? There are some fantastic
high energy coils out there on the market for the racing world. Might be
worth investigating."
Memories of the 70's, some days I wish I was back there.
The Flying Farmer
Dwight Kottke
Do Not Ark Hive
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Lesson Learned - 912 & spark plug gap
Date:
Mar 19, 2004
Hi Dwight/All:
I think it is a problem Rotax should work on.
We discussed this problem during the 912 School, so Rotax is aware.
When it happens to an owner that does not have the fix, it is
devastating.
I notice no difference in performance between the normal spark plug
gap of .028" and .020". So, I go ahead and set my plugs to .020 or
.025" when I replace them. What happened in Texas was errosion of the
ground wire and center electrode widened the gap until the old 912
refused to fire.
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
Group,
As Don pointed out, this problem is not limited to 912's. From my
experience, gaps as small as .022 can be too big for 277's, 377's and
point ignition 503's. They need to be set to .015, not .020. The book
says from .015 to .020, but if set to .020, it won't take long for the
electrode to erode .002. Then they could be hard to start.
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com>
Subject:
Email and Spam
Date:
Mar 20, 2004
Hello all, after reading about how spammers "harvest" websites for addresses. I
tried eliminating all of the "@" signs in the database. However, the email addresses
seem to still work. Anyone know the trick here to what I am trying to
do?
Thanks,
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject:
Rivets
Date:
Mar 20, 2004
Where can I order the wide head aluminum pop rivets for the wing fabric ??
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Rivets
Date:
Mar 20, 2004
| Where can I order the wide head aluminum pop rivets for the wing
fabric ?? Lar.
Larry/All:
Try Jim and Dondi Miller: http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 20, 2004
From:
"Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)lycos.com>
Subject:
Hobbs
Hey Guys,
Today I added a Cig lighter socket, for my GPS power source...and I installed
my Hobbs meter.
I thought I was going to hook it up to my Ducati dual ignition, but when I
turned the key to "both" nothing was "hot" except the main power source.
I check the achives but didn't really find anything. Some people said they
were going to hook theirs up to the ignition but I didn't hear how it turned
out.
Anybody got any ideas?
I guess I'll be checking some of the catalogs...
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
---
My Web Site:
http://www.geocities.com/planecrazzzy/Planecrazzzy.html
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Kolb History
Date:
Mar 20, 2004
Hi Gang:
Got in the mood. Scanned and uploaded a few more historical photos.
This was on completion of the first flight of Cuz'n P'fer, July 1987.
That's my big Brother Jim congratulating me for not busting my ass or
my airplane. Wasn't long after this photo was taken that things
started getting updated on Cuz. Number 1: The top strobe mount on
the engine stress cracked and fell off in short order. The original
1" aluminum gear legs were replaced with 1 1/8" Twinstar legs. The
wheel pants were removed. They were supposed to help me fly faster,
keep the cow crap off the airplane and me. All they did was fill up
the aft part of the pants with cow crap. The plastic Azuza wheels
were extremely flexible, flexing into and rubbing away the fiberglass
wheel pants. The overly long pitot tube was shortened up
considerably. The reason I started out with the long tube was to get
as clean a pitot reading as possible. I am sure that little exercise
was an overkill.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/FS%201st%20Flt%201987/First%20Flt%20July%201987.jpg
Bert Howland's last Sun and Fun, 1994.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Howlands/Bert%20Howland%20S&F%201994.jpg
Bert and Ellen Howland, S&F 1994. That is a Corning Ultralight Flight
Farm cup in front of her.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Howlands/Bert%20Howland%20S&F%201994.jpg
Spent the night here on my second flight to the NE. Also slept in the
same spot on the first trip north, 1988. This is a hayfield next to
I-81 near Dublin, VA.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Hay%20Fld%20Near%20Dublin,%20VA,%201989.jpg
This was the camping area beside the airstrip at the Flight Farm,
1989. In front of my FS is an ice chest, bivy tent (commonly referred
to as my body bag), and a Jeep provided by Doug Johnston, a Vietnam
Vet I had met the year before. He lives in Beaver Dam, NY, a few
miles down the road.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Flt%20Farm%201989.jpg
This clipping was cut from the Oshkosh newspaper. That's me and Cuz'n
P'fer doing our thing on downwind (to the north) along Hwy 41 for the
UL airstrip. The caption says something about flying in early morning
and late evening when the wind is calm. No one ever told me and Cuz
about those flight restrictions on calm air.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Front%20Page.jpg
Found a diner near Frederick, MD, and a hayfield across the street.
Hauck gets hot chow.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Hayfield%20Near%20Frederick,%20MD,%201989.jpg
Who says you can't fly a FS cross country and be comfortable. These
hangers had been bulldozed when I landed there last July. That little
green bag is what I carried my clothes in. The seat is propped up so
I can get into the cargo compartment. Yes, a cargo compartment for my
cargo. The little red and white thing on the back of that fiberglass
jon boat seat is the small Halon fire extinguisher.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Linden,%20MI%201989.jpg
How small Cuz and I were out there in this big country. Here is Cuz
in the middle of a large concrete airbase, abandoned some time ago
near Racco, MI, just a few miles south Whitefish Bay, Lake Superior,
MI. John Williamson and I overflew Racco on our flight through this
area last July.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Racco,%20MI%201989.jpg
Horseshoe Falls, Niagara Falls, NY and Ontario, under the wing of
Cuz'n P'fer, 1989. The photo is an accurate description of the
weather and lighting conditions the day this pic was shot.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/FS%20Over%20Niagra%201989.jpg
Me and Cuz at Wind Star AP, MD, near Baltimore, MD, and Chesapeake
Bay. Our last landing before arriving at Homer Kolb's in Spring City,
PA, 1989.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Osh%201989/Windstar%20Avn,%20MD,%201989.jpg
If for some reason you do not think Kolb history should be presented
on the Kolb List, please hit your delete key. Then crawl back in your
hole. Just kidding. A little black humor for Jack Hart. He needs a
shot of my black humor every once in a while to keep his ticker going.
hehehe Please do not take this serious. It is in no way intended to
be presented that way. I find if I get too serious I get bored and
depressed.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"tom coggin" <motniggo(at)localnet.com>
Subject:
Kolb History
Date:
Mar 20, 2004
Get a life. hahaha. you need help! hehehe
DO archive under Hauck, John.
Tom Coggin
Cullman, Alabama
256 775-0383
Firefly, ultralight
RV-6 N112WA
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject:
Re: Kolb History
Date:
Mar 20, 2004
John H;
Well, I for one, am pretty damned incensed at
the blatant use of this list for your personal
display of historical adventures in a Kolb.
.
.
.
.
WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG.? AND,
where's the rest of your adventures? I had
the very distinct and pleasurable honor to
meet with Adriel Heisey last year, and altho
many of his photos are published, I see no
real difference in the quality of many of your
pictures.
Please continue to entertain us,
George
---
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"dama" <dama(at)mindspring.com>
Subject:
Re: Email and Spam
Date:
Mar 20, 2004
Along with some ideas from George, I have remove the "link" capability of
the email addresses. It makes from more work to cut and paste and remove the
(X) but I do not want to contribute to anyone else's spam count. Sort of
takes away some needed "color" from the list as well...
Oh well, hope that it helps.
Also, and I hope to not jinx myself but I am close to arranging for some air
to air shots with either a Stearman or Waco with the Firestar here
shortly...fingers crossed.
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date:
Mar 21, 2004
Subject:
Re: Mail
Lar,
I did not send an E-mail with attachment
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject:
Re: Kolb History
Date:
Mar 21, 2004
> I am just really P.O.'ed cause I ain't done something like this also,
go,,john,,go!! in may I am flying to SWRFI in my max , or my u star if it
don't sell by tonite,, as i said if it is still here tonite, i am gonna keep
it for really nice mornings, and evenings.
> display of historical adventures in a Kolb.the blatant use of this list
for your personal
> .
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject:
Re: Rivets
Date:
Mar 21, 2004
John H,
I suggest that one might confer with Mr. Pelletier
regarding the Monument Valley Fly-In. He was
there a year ago and his experience there could
be important to members of this list who might be
interested/curious about the event.
DAVE......are you listening? How about a little
commentary on it? Was it worth it? Are you
going to try to go again? Was there a pretty good
turn-out? How many & what types? Etc.
Anonymous
---
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
"James and Cathy Tripp"
Subject:
hobs meter
Date:
Mar 21, 2004
just going from memory... it seems the hobs in the eis doesnot register until you
hit 300 rpm......... maybe check with grandrapids and check if the number
can be raised to 2000 or 2500 then it should give you a good indicitaion of
flight time maybe you could put in the micro switch in line with the eis
rpm pick up.
boyd
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject:
912 & spark plug gap
Date:
Mar 21, 2004
it even has a statement about reducing the gap to .5 mm if you are having
starting problems. So I decided to check the spark plugs. Reduced the gaps to
.70 mm. There ain't much difference in the gap but it sure makes a lot
difference in the start. Cranks right up just like it used to.
Less than 2 months to MV!
a friend of mine who does a lot of work on engines told me this bit of info.
the electrodes of a spark plug will start to round at the corners when they
get older..... the spark will jump the gap of the spark plug from the sharpest
corner it can fine..... if the corners have worn off .010 and you set the
rounded part of the electrode to .020... the efective gap is .030.... the wear
will continue untill the top of the crown on the electrode starts to wear
and the phisical gap increases... when cleaning up spark plugs it is best to
take a spark plug file and hit the electrodes and eleminate the crown. so you
have sharp corners at the proper gap distance. both the center electrode and
the ground.
the other thing that will help is a new batery.... started having problems this
winter..... installed a new batery and doubled the cranking speed and it starts
like new.
boyd
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Kolbers,
Just got home from 2 days of ultralight ground school. At this school there were
several men that were considering buying or building ultralight aircraft. They
ranged from young men with no flight time to a retired Delta captain. As we
would take breaks, we would go outside and look at different brands of airplanes
and talk about their construction and capabilities. Me being the only one
there that is currently building one, I was asked many questions as you can imagine.
One of these questions was "What made you decide on a Kolb?" I replied
with "Well I did a years worth of research and decided that the Kolb had the strongest
wing in the market". So the one fella asked "What do you mean by strong?"
So I took him over to a challenger and told him to look inside the wing.
You can do this by simply easily and gently pulling the sail down at the wing
root and looking down the inside of the wing. I have never really done this my
self and when I looked I said "Holy cow! There's nothing in there but a couple
of aluminum tubes that run from the leading edge to the trailing!" And the cloth
is very sloppy and lose. Then we walked over to the only airplane on the
field that resembled a Kolb (a fergy) and he could tell right away at the differences
between the two. I think I might have sold a couple of Kolb's this weekend...hehehe...
I then went on to explain the differences between the two aircraft's
fuselage construction. The Challenger is all aluminum tubing with gussets
and the Kolb is a factory welded 4130 chrome molly steel unit. Everyone was
impressed to say the least.
In another topic on a break, the subject of recovery systems came up. A comment
was made that in a deployment of a BRS or similar type your decent rate is 27
mph. This sound right guys? In addition, this fellow said "You only want to deploy
a BRS if you have a major structural failure" And minimum altitude for deployment
was talked about. One guy said 150'. Another said NO WAY more like 300'.
I would like to know myself.
On another note, for any out there considering buying or building a Kolb or similar
type aircraft, and plan on getting a PPL or SP rating, I highly recommend
attending one of these ground schools and obtaining the USUA manual tiled "The
Ultralight Pilot's Flight Training Manual" Even though you may not plan on
a going the FAR part 103 legal route, you can learn a great deal from this manual.
My flight training thus far has been studying with ASA private pilot DVD's
and a CFII and I can now report to you that this manual is full of very useful
information about aviation in easy to understand terms. It's a great manual
and a good purchase.
Well I have rambled enough.. time to go drill some holes....
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject:
mail
Date:
Mar 21, 2004
expand the header and get the sending IP address info
how do you do this??
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Clay Stuart" <tcstuart(at)adelphia.net>
Subject:
martin fabric clips
Date:
Mar 21, 2004
Noticed clips to secure fabric on Aeronca, Stinson, Taylorcraft. Anyone
know about using these instead of rivits:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/fabclips.php
If the holes are smaller than 1/8", maybe there would be a strength
advantage.
Clay Stuart
________________________________________________________________________________
As to the question of how low you can use the chute, this pilot used his
standard chute just in time, I think the no matter how low you are the chute
can't hurt applies even more to the whole plane chutes:
Reno (NV) pilot Ross Loudon didn't think he'd make it. When his homebuilt
1975 Wallace Skybolt (file photo of type, below) came apart in the sky near
Cold Springs, he was inverted at just over 2000 feet AGL.
"I just feel really lucky," Loudon told the Daily Sparks Tribune from his
hospital bed at Washoe Medical Center. He flew as much as five times a week
and said he practiced bailing out just about every time he went up.
But "I never really thought if it came apart that I would have much hope of
getting out," he said.
So what happened?
"It shook for a second or two, and then it just came apart. I honestly don't
know why," he said. The biplane's plastic bubble canopy came off and hit him
in the face, "so I was pretty much blinded. After I got hit and the plane
just started falling toward the ground, I knew I needed to get out," he told
the Tribune.
He almost didn't get out fast enough, however. Loudon said, as the aircraft
spiraled toward the ground, he unfastened his safety harness and pulled the
rip cord on his parachute. It opened only partially, just seconds before the
aircraft hit the ground. But that was enough. "It slowed me down just enough
to keep me (alive)," he said.
Loudon said he purchased the aircraft from a man in Florida who had rebuilt
the aircraft "from the ground up."
"I thought it was a... solid plane right up until it came apart," he said.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Don Rayfield
Date:
Mar 22, 2004
From:
"Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield(at)kcc.com>
Group, I'm sad to say that my father, Don Rayfield passed away early on March 18,
from complications with heart surgery due in part to a heart attack. I know
some of you knew him. I'm sorry for not getting the news out sooner, but I was
unavailable.
He will be missed.
Bill Rayfield
This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged,
confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure
under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly
by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy.
Thank you.
==============================================================================
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 22, 2004
From:
possums <possums(at)mindspring.com>
Subject:
Re: mail
Three new Bagle variants spread rapidly last week. They have a
dangerous feature: They can be launched if the recipient simply opens
the e-mail. They do not need attachments.
These variants take advantage of a flaw in Internet Explorer that was
discovered in October. Microsoft issued a patch, but many people have
not downloaded it.
http://www.internetweek.com/security02/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18401045
At 03:45 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote:
>
>There's probably a simpler way, but I click on "Message" at the top of the
>page, then click on "Create Rule From Message," and the sender's address
>will be in box 3 of the drop down. (Assuming you're using Outlook Express)
>This is also where I built my anti-spam list..........or maybe I should say,
>my "Preferred E-mail Senders" list that all youse guys are on. :-0
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 22, 2004
From:
Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject:
Re: mail
Another solution is to stop using Internet Explorer or Outlook... go
to http://www.mozilla.org and download the Mozilla browser and start using
that. The Thunderbird email client is also a good substitute for Outlook.
Yes, there are a few things out there that require IE, but you shouldn't
need it for mail or 98% of all the other browser tasks.
-- Robert
At 10:19 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>Three new Bagle variants spread rapidly last week. They have a
>dangerous feature: They can be launched if the recipient simply opens
>the e-mail. They do not need attachments.
>
>These variants take advantage of a flaw in Internet Explorer that was
>discovered in October. Microsoft issued a patch, but many people have
>not downloaded it.
>http://www.internetweek.com/security02/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18401045
>
>
>At 03:45 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote:
> >
> >There's probably a simpler way, but I click on "Message" at the top of the
> >page, then click on "Create Rule From Message," and the sender's address
> >will be in box 3 of the drop down. (Assuming you're using Outlook Express)
> >This is also where I built my anti-spam list..........or maybe I should say,
> >my "Preferred E-mail Senders" list that all youse guys are on. :-0
________________________________________________________________________________
The latest version of the smart roadster engine is retuned by BRABUS for
74kw (100hp)at 5600 rpm and is 130 pounds with the turbo and intercooler.
It is a three cylinder 4 stroke single overhead cam two valves per cylinder
with two spark plugs per cylinder standard. It makes rated power to 5200
meters (over 15000 feet) because of the turbo. It is a high pressure common
rail fuel injection system and burns very little fuel, under 6 liters per
100 kilometers (something like 35 miles per gallon). It is incredibly quiet.
The lower hp version is already flying as a production engine in the funk 9
airplanes in Germany with a belted redrive already developed. You mk III
guys might want to look into this.
http://www.fk-lightplanes.com/FK-News/Projects/projects.htmlhttp://www.ecofly.de/english.htmhttp://www.smart.com/-snm-0135155096-1078129646-0000020261-0000000003-107999
6289-enm-smart/content/en/en/smart/modelle/brabus/roadster/steckbrief
Topher
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"James, Ken" <KDJames(at)berkscareer.com>
Subject:
possible mkIII engine option
Date:
Mar 23, 2004
Any ideal on what the price is?
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Armstrong [mailto:tophera(at)centurytel.net]
Subject: Kolb-List: possible mkIII engine option
The latest version of the smart roadster engine is retuned by BRABUS for
74kw (100hp)at 5600 rpm and is 130 pounds with the turbo and intercooler.
It is a three cylinder 4 stroke single overhead cam two valves per cylinder
with two spark plugs per cylinder standard. It makes rated power to 5200
meters (over 15000 feet) because of the turbo. It is a high pressure common
rail fuel injection system and burns very little fuel, under 6 liters per
100 kilometers (something like 35 miles per gallon). It is incredibly quiet.
The lower hp version is already flying as a production engine in the funk 9
airplanes in Germany with a belted redrive already developed. You mk III
guys might want to look into this.
http://www.fk-lightplanes.com/FK-News/Projects/projects.htmlhttp://www.ecofly.de/english.htmhttp://www.smart.com/-snm-0135155096-1078129646-0000020261-0000000003-107999
6289-enm-smart/content/en/en/smart/modelle/brabus/roadster/steckbrief
Topher
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 23, 2004
From:
Danny Bradshaw <piperj5(at)shtc.net>
Subject:
Shadow Pictures
Kolb Gang,
My Firestar makes a really neat shadow while flying
low late in the evening. I have one good picture I am sending to the
photoshare. If you have any good shadow pictures send them in,
maybe we can make a shadow picture album.
BTW I haven't had much luck getting my plane in the Tnk Kolb
Owners Album. My info would probably line up with someone
else's plane anyway... oh well.
Danny Bradshaw
McBee, South Carolina
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 23, 2004
From:
Richard Pike <rwpike(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Re: mail
I also use Eudora, but here is what the "Abuse(at)msn.com"
website said to do for IE:
To view headers in Outlook Express, right click on an unopened message in
your Inbox (or any folder) and select Properties from the menu there. (Or
select File, then Properties if the message is already opened.) Once in the
Properties window, you will see a tab labeled "General" and another tab
labeled "Details". In "Details", you will see the email headers for that
message, with the entire message and headers viewable in text-only format
in the "Message Source..."
Hope this helps...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>What I am after is the actual IP address of the sender. Depending upon the
>ISP provider some will only send messages that have a return email address
>within the ISP domain. Sloppy ISP's may not have this restriction
>enabled. It reduces the ability of spammers to use a ISP to send messages
>outside of that domain.
>
>I run Eudora as my mail application program to provide a little more
>protection from the virus issues that are common with MS Outlook. Under
>Eudora once you select the message (not the attachment) it has a button you
>click on that expands the message to show the detailed message header
>information. I believe you can a preview pane under outlook, but I'm not
>sure how you expand the message header detail to view the header
>info. That inform provides the IP address the message was sent from. From
>that it can be associated back to a specific originating ISP. Then the ISP
>can be notified that a virus is being sent from one of their addresses and
>they can take action to stop it. They don't like propagating viruses and
>more than we do.
>jerb
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject:
Re: Fathers Day fly-in
Date:
Mar 24, 2004
Terry,
I am trying to figure out a date for the Aviation program.
This summer is shaping up to be incredibly busy and with school going into
June time is really tight.
I should be in touch with you guys in the next week with some possible
dates.
Sorry about all the inconvenience.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry" <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fathers Day fly-in
>
> Eugene, Bob, Eugene, Richard, Denny and all others,
>
> I will act as the contact person if that's what the gang wants. The
> Wellsville Fathers Day Fly-In is a long established event that runs the
> whole weekend. We could meet there and then if possible make at journey
> to Homer's. There is a good stop off airport on the way at Smoketown,
> Lancaster County that is UL friendly.
>
> If you want more information on Wellsville go to their web page at
> footlightranch.com and hit Mason-Dixion Ultralight Fly-in or the
> others. The information is for last years fly-in which was canceled
> because of weather, but you can explore the facilities available and get
> the data about the airstrip there.
> I know they would welcome a good group of new Kolb's arriving there!
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 25, 2004
From:
Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject:
FireFly Is Ready To Go
FireFlyers & Kolbers,
A month has gone by since the last flight of the FireFly. I went up to the
Perryville Airport (k02) to finish up re assembly. The airport has been
closed for runway and taxiway repairs. It just reopened yesterday, but the
wind was too high to fly. It started to rain, but it was warm so as I
waited for the weather to clear. I gathered up tools, washed the Firefly
and swept out the hangar. While doing so I heard one jet land and taxi over
to Saberliner's repair facility. My hanger is on the back side so I can not
see the runway, but I heard another jet. When I looked up and out the open
hangar door, I saw a F15 slowly fly by at about 500 feet. I walked out and
watched it bank to the east. Then I walked to the end of the hangar row so
that I could see it slowly continue at low altitude over the Mississippi
River into Illinois. It was about this time, I thought maybe it was going
to land at K02. And sure enough he turned base and overshot final approach
and had to rack it back to get lined up. He over flew a third of the runway
before touch down and I thought he would do a touch and go, but he laid on
the brakes and got it stopped about 200 yards before he ran out of runway.
He had flattened the tires on the main gear. Saberliner's crash truck drove
down to the jet. The pilot shut down the engines, popped the canopy and
climbed down. Then the emergency vehicles, fire, ambulance and sheriff came.
The airport manager came by and told me the story. Two F15s were out and
about when one had a fire indicator light come on. They were diverted to
K02. The one with the problem was the first one I heard, and he landed with
out any problem. But the one that I watched was the wing man. They closed
the airport and the sheriff stayed to keep anyone away from the plane on the
runway because it was armed with missiles. He was going to have to stay
until the military showed up with security, spares and repair personnel.
While I was in the main office washing up, they called over to see if they
could get 18,000 pounds of jet fuel, but there was only 1,000 pounds left in
the tank.
Maybe tomorrow the airport will be open again. If you would like to see
some of the repairs I made, I put up some photos and description
at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly103.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Kolbers,
Just had to share my excitement with you fine people, TNK shipped my fuselage kit
today! The folks up there are nothing short of excellent. Travis informed me
of some extra parts that other Kolbra buyers were shorted and explained what
to look for and they figured the extra material needed for the flaps I plan to
put on Ms. Dixie. I needed some extra tubing because of the wing tip mods so
I was able to get that packed in the crate. Travis was talking to me on the phone
with a cordless screw driver in one hand taking the top off the crate as
we spoke and ordering lunch at the same time to add the needed material. He also
was very proud of this shipment as he painstakingly packed everything personally.
He made me fell real good when he said (with phone in one ear and cordless
screwdriver in hands) "Ya know Paul, these guys really pour a lot of love
and sweat-n-soul into these fuselages" By the way Travis is now re-subscribed
to the list. Sorry to blow your cover bro.... Perhaps we could get Travis to join
in with a post from time to time about what's going on at the factory. They
sound pretty busy if you ask me.Linda phoned me later to let me know the freight
company had picked her up (the kit that is) and gave me a tracking number.
Now I have to wait and wonder what she (the kit) is going through in transit.
Travis assured me that unless some underpaid forklift driver sticks a fork through
the side of the crate,it should arrive in good shape and that it could
withstand being dropped because of the way they pack the kit. I have no doubt...
But I know freight companies and how they rapidly move freight from truck to
truck and town to town. One thing I can say is that when you receive your kit
or shipment from any carrier, if there is any damage to the carton or crate,
note it on the freight or waybill before you sign for it. Also have the driver
call the hub and note the damage. My first kit had damage and it was a pain
but the motor company cut me a check for the damaged part.Which by the way was
more than the cost of shipping.
So now I sit and wait.Headed to the shop with new belts for the belt sander to
dress and install the false ribs and start on the drag strut. Charley just phoned
me from the airport and made it home from Washington DC in the Falcon 900
to Mississippi in 1 hour 50 minutes... I said "you should be ashamed of yourself"
:-)
I made this post rather long so that if any lurkers looking into buying a Kolb
aircraft kit, perhaps they may feel the same excitement that I have had today.
Sorry for any misspelling or wrong English... and I think this post is archive
worthy in advance.
Yes I'm a happy camper... Hopefully under Ms. Dixie's wing some day......
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jon Croke" <jon(at)joncroke.com>
Subject:
Sport Pilot Update
Date:
Mar 25, 2004
FYI...
There was a Sport Pilot Update announced yesterday by the FAA realyed by
USUA...
Details are reproduced at www.KolbPilot.com
Patience is the virtue......
Jon near Green Bay
FS II
________________________________________________________________________________
I think that it is reasonable for you to limit power not through rpm but
through a throttle stop that can not be changed by the pilot in flight.
Then you could re-pitch to get decent rpm even though you would be at
reduced power. This would be the ultralight legal flight configuration for
the aircraft. Limiting power with a throttle stop is just as reasonable as
limiting speed by cranking in prop pitch. I think that as long as you can
not change it in flight it would be acceptable to the feds. I don't think
that you're at a dead end for 103-7 legality yet.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack & Louise
Hart
Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Is Ready To Go
FireFlyers & Kolbers,
A month has gone by since the last flight of the FireFly. I went up to the
Perryville Airport (k02) to finish up re assembly. The airport has been
closed for runway and taxiway repairs. It just reopened yesterday, but the
wind was too high to fly. It started to rain, but it was warm so as I
waited for the weather to clear. I gathered up tools, washed the Firefly
and swept out the hangar. While doing so I heard one jet land and taxi over
to Saberliner's repair facility. My hanger is on the back side so I can not
see the runway, but I heard another jet. When I looked up and out the open
hangar door, I saw a F15 slowly fly by at about 500 feet. I walked out and
watched it bank to the east. Then I walked to the end of the hangar row so
that I could see it slowly continue at low altitude over the Mississippi
River into Illinois. It was about this time, I thought maybe it was going
to land at K02. And sure enough he turned base and overshot final approach
and had to rack it back to get lined up. He over flew a third of the runway
before touch down and I thought he would do a touch and go, but he laid on
the brakes and got it stopped about 200 yards before he ran out of runway.
He had flattened the tires on the main gear. Saberliner's crash truck drove
down to the jet. The pilot shut down the engines, popped the canopy and
climbed down. Then the emergency vehicles, fire, ambulance and sheriff came.
The airport manager came by and told me the story. Two F15s were out and
about when one had a fire indicator light come on. They were diverted to
K02. The one with the problem was the first one I heard, and he landed with
out any problem. But the one that I watched was the wing man. They closed
the airport and the sheriff stayed to keep anyone away from the plane on the
runway because it was armed with missiles. He was going to have to stay
until the military showed up with security, spares and repair personnel.
While I was in the main office washing up, they called over to see if they
could get 18,000 pounds of jet fuel, but there was only 1,000 pounds left in
the tank.
Maybe tomorrow the airport will be open again. If you would like to see
some of the repairs I made, I put up some photos and description
at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly103.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 26, 2004
From:
Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject:
FireFly Is Ready To Go
>
>I think that it is reasonable for you to limit power not through rpm but
>through a throttle stop that can not be changed by the pilot in flight.
>Then you could re-pitch to get decent rpm even though you would be at
>reduced power. This would be the ultralight legal flight configuration for
>the aircraft. Limiting power with a throttle stop is just as reasonable as
>limiting speed by cranking in prop pitch. I think that as long as you can
>not change it in flight it would be acceptable to the feds. I don't think
>that you're at a dead end for 103-7 legality yet.
>
>
Topher,
You are correct. In my case it is kind of a catch 22 problem. If the hp is
available, one becomes greedy and I want to use the maximum hp that my
FireFly configuration allows. By limiting the engine rpm with increased
propeller pitch and assuming Simonini's performance curves are correct, one
can be sure that you are getting the 38 hp at 5,200 rpm. The Feds are
supposed to go by published data. So if I set the prop to top the engine
out at 6,000 rpm and then use a throttle stop to keep engine rpm from going
above 5,200, I will be getting much less than 38 hp out of the engine.
To get out of this dilemma and since the Feds are supposed to go with the
published data, it would be better to go with an under rated or untuned
engine. The MZ34 is rated at 27 hp and has a displacement of 313 cc. If
one puts a tuned exhaust on it and assuming it will perform as well as a
Simonini engine, it should crank out close to 38 hp. By reducing the
official engine hp to 27, one can legally decrease FireFly drag with
fairings on the landing gear and add a full enclosure. This coupled with
about fifty pounds less engine should let the FireFly top out at well over
60 mph on 27 hp.
If it sounds like I am trying to sell my self on changing engines, I am. I
have purchased an MZ34 and it is sitting on the counter of the family room.
I am getting older, and I am having trouble flying in the winter time with
my head sticking out in the breese. To stay warm, I wear a neck and head
socks under my soft flying helmet and an LL-Bean cold weather outfit. I can
stay warm but I can not turn my head but a few degrees, so on EAA Chapter
meeting flights I have to wallow about to see if there is other traffic in
the area. I hope to make a flip up and down short windshield that will
cover my head and to leave the sides open. I hope to fly the Simonini
engine through the summer and fall.
I have learned a lot from the Simonini engine. At first I was worried
whether it was a true 48 hp engine, but when I cut the prop and cranked in
the pitch, I found it was much stronger than the Rotax 447. I would never
go back to a piston ported engine. The reed valve engine is much more civil
and burns much less fuel. The FireFly is the best retirement toy I could
have or hope to have.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Masqqqqqqq(at)aol.com
Date:
Mar 27, 2004
Subject:
Firefly vs. UltraStar
I've flown a 1984 UltraStar for 10 years now. I love it, but have only
logged time in a QuickSilver Sprint to compare.
I'm looking forward to getting a new machine, something 103 legal (not
that the UltraStar isn't 103 legal, harumph harumph) and would like to hear
from anyone with flight time in both the UltraStar and the FireFly. How do they
compare in flight characteristics, landing and takeoff, etc. Is the
different thrust line noticeable? (the firefly has the high engine, the ultrastar
has
the low engine) My UltraStar has a Rotax 447 with a B box, turning a 2
blade Precision Propeller.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 27, 2004
Subject:
[ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Mike Pierzina
Subject: Kolb Wing Fold Bracket
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.03.27.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 27, 2004
Subject:
[ Steve Garvelink ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Steve Garvelink
Subject: Looking for the history of this Kolb...
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/link@cdc.net.03.27.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 27, 2004
Subject:
[ Danny Bradshaw ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Danny Bradshaw
Subject: Shadow Pictures
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/piperj5@shtc.net.03.27.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Santa Maria CA Fly-in (April 30-May 2)
Date:
Mar 27, 2004
Hello everyone!
With Matt Dralle's blessing (thank you, Matt!), I'm pleased to post this announcement
for a terrific aviation fly-in weekend. SMXgig (in Santa Maria, CA) has
become the year's largest face-to-face get-together of electronically networked
aviators. We hope you'll plan to attend because we expect this year's gig to
be the best ever.
People come from all over the country (and sometimes overseas) to attend, and most of the sessions qualify for FAA Wings cards. The dates are 4/30-5/2/04 (Friday-Sunday) - it's a lot of fun, and a great chance for pilots from all over to mingle and share aviation stories, ideas, etc. The announcement below contains most of the crucial information, and you can get the rest from the website (www.smxgig.org). If you have any questions at all, just let me know, and thanks!
~~Cory Emberson
KHWD
>>> NOTICE TO AIRMEN! <<<
Announcing the Sixteenth Annual SMXgig
to be held on April 30 - May 2, 2004
at the Radisson on the Santa Maria (CA) Airport (aka SMX)
www.smxgig.org
SMXgig will be April 30 - May 2, 2004, at the Santa Maria Radisson. This year,
our featured speaker after Friday night's dinner will be Rod Machado!
"MACH 2 WITH MACHADO" is the byline Rod Machado has earned for his rapid fire delivery
at his lively safety seminars and keynote speeches. His programs are information-packed,
energetic, and humorous. He has spoken in all fifty of the
United States and in Europe sharing his fresh approach to aviation education.
If you can make it, please do. It's going to be pretty special. More information and the announcement/ registration info is available at www.smxgig.org You may also contact me by email at: cory(at)smxgig.org.
All technical sessions will be held in the Enterprise Ballroom at the SMX Radisson.
Each session will last about an hour. We schedule four tech sessions on Saturday
morning, and four on Sunday morning. Most of the speakers are set (I'm
still firming up a couple of slots - I'm working on a session about Experimentals):
MIKE BUSCH - The Art and Science of Troubleshooting
Your A frequently, that person is you. That's particularly true of problems that
occur only in-flight and/or are intermittent. This session offers methodology
for troubleshooting aimed at aircraft owners who aren't A&Ps.
ED WILLIAMS - GPS - How It Works, and How to Work It
Ed is a nuclear physicist working at Lawrence Livermore Labs. Ed does a
remarkable job of making physics phun!
BRENT BLUE, M.D. - Pilot Medicals: How to Avoid Problems with the FAA
Brent is an AME Advocate, who specializes in helping the tough cases renew their
medicals. He's a former member of EAA's medical advisory committee.
DOUG RITTER - Equipping Yourself To Survive - Personal Survival Gear for Pilots
Doug is a survival evangelist, personally driven to help pilots live through whatever comes next. www.equipped.org
PAUL MILLNER - The Future of Avgas
Paul works with ChevronTexaco, and is right in the middle of the industry developments
regarding our fuel of choice.
MARY DUFFY & UWE LEMKE - Flying in Europe
Mary and Uwe are a Scot and a German who live in the San Francisco Bay Area, but
return "home" often.
As always, each qualifying session will get you a WINGS Safety Session card.
Our Saturday evening event should be a delicious one! At 5:45 p.m., the BFUB (Big Fat Ugly Bus) will arrive at the Santa Maria Radisson to bring us to the Far Western Tavern for dinner in beautiful Guadalupe (www.farwesterntavern.com).
DOLLARS AND CENTS
Just as in previous years, there will be one flat all-encompassing "gig" fee that
covers all events that involve significant out-of-pocket costs for the organizers.
The fee is $160 per person, and will cover:
- Friday afternoon welcome party
- Friday evening dinner banquet
- Saturday and Sunday tech sessions
- Saturday afternoon lunch
- Saturday evening dinner at the Far Western Tavern in Guadalupe
- Meeting rooms and coffee service at the Santa Maria Radisson
- Transportation to (and from) the Far Western Tavern
Lodging at the SMX Radisson will cost $89.00/night for either a single or double
room, which is far below the regular hotel room rate. Be sure you check in as
a SMXgig attendee and get the special rate. We have our definitive preference
listed with the hotel for rampside rooms - early registration can only help,
but of course, the rampside rooms are subject to availability depending on how
many existing guests are in those rooms.
You do not need to register with the hotel - just give me your preferences, and
I will take care of the reservations.
Important: This year, our final rooming lists are due to the hotel on April 11,
2004 (the even of Sun 'n Fun), which will guarantee space and the group rate.
The hotel will accept additional room reservations after that, on a space- and
rate-available basis. They will try their best to accommodate us after that
date, but the hotel is already sold out for the weekend.
The website (www.smxgig.org) has detailed information about the schedule, meals, hotel accommodations, and online registration. If you'd like your own announcement/registration emailed to you, or have any other questions, just let me know. (cory(at)smxgig.org or bootless(at)earthlink.net ).
Thanks, and see you there!
best, Cory Emberson
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 27, 2004
From:
Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject:
FireFly Strut Rattle Fix and In Flight Noise Level
FireFlyers & Kolbers,
The miserable Winter gave me time to work on several projects. The last
week has been un flyable due to wind and rain, but the temps have been in
the 60's and 70's. This has let me spend some time in the hangar working on
the FireFly.
One of the things that has bothered me is strut noise as one taxies to and
from the runway. If it is noticeable with a sound suppression head set, it
must be very loud. Today I installed my solution, and it seems to work well.
It can be seen at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly104.html
Flew a little (twenty minutes) in misty rain. After over a month of being
land bound, it was great fun. I took my sound meter with me to check out
noise level at 5,200 rpm cruise. It measured 111 db which is equivalent to
someone shouting into your ear. My pickup truck with the windows up and the
radio off registers 87 db at 60 mph on smooth concrete road.
If you would like to read up a little on what noise can do to you, here is
a jump:
http://www.healthyconnections.com/hear/info/noise.html
The passive noise reduction headset I am using is knocking most of the noise
down by about 20 db, so this gets what I hear down to about 91 db which is
over the 85 db threshold for hearing damage. What it is telling me is that
I should go back to my ANR headset which will, on the average, drop 34 db
and get what I hear at cruise down to 77 db. It is a little late for me,
but I have to protect what hearing I have left.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: FireFly Strut Rattle Fix and In Flight Noise Level
Date:
Mar 28, 2004
| One of the things that has bothered me is strut noise as one taxies
to and
| from the runway.
| Jack & Louise Hart
Jack/Gents:
To cut down on vibration, rattle, and elongating the lift strut holes,
I have always used bolts and nyloc nuts, in conjunction with bushings,
to snug everything up so it can not move.
I noticed in your pictures you were still using clevis pins. It
doesn't take much more time to remove the nut and bolt than it does
the clevis pin.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 28, 2004
From:
Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject:
Re: FireFly Strut Rattle Fix and In Flight Noise
Level
>
> | One of the things that has bothered me is strut noise as one taxies
>to and
>| from the runway.
>
>| Jack & Louise Hart
>
>Jack/Gents:
>
>To cut down on vibration, rattle, and elongating the lift strut holes,
>I have always used bolts and nyloc nuts, in conjunction with bushings,
>to snug everything up so it can not move.
>
>I noticed in your pictures you were still using clevis pins. It
>doesn't take much more time to remove the nut and bolt than it does
>the clevis pin.
>
>Take care,
>
>john h
>
John,
My choice has to do with weight and trying to keep the FireFly ultra light
vehicle legal. A clevis pin is lighter that the bolt that would replace it
and vinyl tubing is lighter than metal bushings. And since all of these
connections are made up of shear loads, clevis pin use is appropriate.
One must be careful about cinching down shear load connections. If
alignment is a little off, the tightening down of the connection can pre
load the surrounding members and can reduce the maximum working load for
those members. Also a structure containing the connection cannot flex
relative to load application which may cause the same and/or additional
effect. When you are forced to build light, one wants minimize any possible
hidden stresses or loads in the structure. Does this mean that Kolbs will
fall out of the air if a bolt is used instead of a clevis pin? Probably
not, but a little movement can be a good thing.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: FireFly Strut Rattle Fix and In Flight Noise Level
Date:
Mar 28, 2004
| My choice has to do with weight and trying to keep the FireFly ultra
light
| vehicle legal. A clevis pin is lighter that the bolt that would
replace it
| and vinyl tubing is lighter than metal bushings. And since all of
these
| connections are made up of shear loads, clevis pin use is
appropriate.
| Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack/Gang:
Your choice of vinyl tubing to reduce or eliminate rattling noise
during taxi is probably correct.
However, to eliminate vibration wear and elongation of the lift strut
attachments, one must go to bushings, bolts, nuts and washers.
It is startling how quickly these holes will wear and elongate. I
experienced this on the Ultrastar and went to bolts and bushings on
the FS and MKIII.
Haven't experienced any problems with this set up.
A good example of bolting down shear points would be the 3/8" bolt
that goes through the wing main spar and the tail boom "H" braces.
Same for the universal joints on the drag struts.
You are correct though, when attempting to keep weight down. Every
little bolt, washer, nut add up in the end.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Timandjan(at)aol.com
Date:
Mar 28, 2004
Subject:
Re: Sun & Fun Hanger Fly-Inn
I am flying down with a local fellow in his Albatros, not the Kolb but it
should make for a great week. I plan to camp somewhere if not in the Albatros
itself. Anyways, if someone has a car, I will buy the beer for the meeting.
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 28, 2004
Subject:
q
From:
kinnepix <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net>
Kolbers --
Im not recommending this, but anyone with a steel-tube aircraft may find it
interesting --
I knew a Marine Salvage man in the Bahamas & Caribbean. He had a
tube-&-fabric 4-seat floatplane on board his mother-ship, hoisted aboard &
launched again by crane. It was invaluable and saved him TONS of time and
effort. But this is some of the saltiest water on earth, and it chews up
aluminum aircraft very quickly; so he wanted a fabric-covered aircraft. He
went to the factory, where they filled all the steel tubes of a fuselage
with a light oil, and sealed it shut, then finished building the plane
around it. Steel tubes rust from the inside out, and this protects them
beautifully, tho it does add about 20lbs to the empty weight.
If anyone flies a Kolb regularly from salt water, this might be worth
considering.
Russ Kinne
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: q
Date:
Mar 28, 2004
| Im not recommending this, but anyone with a steel-tube aircraft may
find it
| interesting --
Steel tubes rust from the inside out, and this protects them
| beautifully, tho it does add about 20lbs to the empty weight.
| If anyone flies a Kolb regularly from salt water, this might be
worth
| considering.
| Russ Kinne
Hi Russ/Gang:
I bought a quart of Stitts Tube Seal in 1984 to do my Ultrastar. Then
I did my FS, and also my MK III. I am a firm believer in tube seal to
prevent internal corrosion in 4130 tube fuselages. Never had a
fuselage yet, that came from the welding shop and did not have some
pin holes, at least, for moisture to invade the inside of those
unprotected tubes.
Not being able to see the corrosion inside the tubes does not make the
problem go away.
I have had plenty occasions to inspect the inside of the tubes on my
FS and US. Some of the tubes I missed treating with tube seal had a
goodly amount of rust inside.
It is a simple task to treat a fuselage. I use 1/8" drill bit and
1/8" aluminum closed end pop rivets. Run down to Doc Bryson's office,
Ernie's Vet, and pick up a good size syringe and some big needles.
The syringe is marked in CC's and the formula for the amount of tube
seal is indicated in CC's per inch of what ever size tubing diameter.
Your friend's fuselage must have been really big to hold twenty pound
of tube seal. I am still working on the first quart I bought 20 years
ago. Some of my friends have also done their Kolb's out of my quart
of tube seal.
Take care and thanks for the info,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject:
Flight planning website for Michigan pilots
Date:
Mar 28, 2004
For those of you who fly in Michigan, at least the lower eastern part of it,
here's a website that might be useful:
http://www.staliteaviation.com/pops/ul_flight_planner.html
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject:
Re: Riverside Air Show
Date:
Mar 28, 2004
Hey Lar,
Good news on the completion!
Hope you take some pics of the damage and make him pay, sounds like he
really
needs to make it right by you. Don't let him off the hook!
Ed in JXN (Mich)
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Riverside Air Show
>
(Snip) A week ago, I found where the guy who built my landing gear had possibly
trial
fitted them with a crowbar and sledgehammer, and broken the master switch, smashed
the
crowbar circuit breaker, and damaged some related wiring behind the passenger's
seat. He
also damaged some wiring behind the instrument panel, and tore some pretty good
sized
holes in the fabric, running the brake lines. I have seldom in my life felt the
level of
blinding rage that hit me when I realized what I was seeing. After jerking me
around for
4 months, and the enormous price he ripped me off for
.................aaaaarrrrgghhhh..........hadta walk away from it. (Snip)
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Using Velcro
Date:
Mar 28, 2004
I have been replacing all of the "velcro" on metal wing gap cover of my FireFly
and this is what I have learned so far.
The generic "velcro" sold in fabric stores and department stores is not the genuine
stuff. Real Velcro is made or licensed to be made by the Velcro Co of Manchester
N.H. It has Velcro written all over it and is a quality product. There
are two grades or strengths. One is the standard grade which is most common and
can be used in most light applications. I used this on my plane and it did
O.K. but wore out to the point where it would no longer hold after about 150 hours
and ~ as many wing foldings. The next grade is "Industrial Strength". It
has a 50% more grip strength and, of course, costs more. A magnified exam shows
that it has better hooks and more fuzz.
The original "vecro" was glued on with Polytak and stayed in place fairly well
but I had to re-glue some areas where it had separated from the aluminum gap cover
and I always kept an eye on it. The industrial grade I just installed came
with an adhesive back. This backing is so sticky that once it is applied it
is there to stay. If it ever needs replacing I will scrap the whole cover and
make new one from scratch. The hooks-to-fuzz grip is so tight on the new Velcro
that I am thinking I may need a tool that would look something like a fly swatter
to separate the mating surfaces without putting any creases in the aluminum
sections during removal.
The industrial grade is available from Staples by phone or on-line but not from
the standard retail store stock. I paid ~$28 for 15' delivered to my door by
Staples in two days.
I am now trying to figure out how to get the old "velcro" off of top side of my
wing root. It was Polytaked to the inboard rib and adjacent fabric and does not
want to pull off. If I try to use M.E.K. it will not go through the velcro's
non-porus backing but will dissolve the Poly spray finish and make a big mess.
I may just Polytak the new Velcro onto the old "velcro". 'Open to suggestions
on this item.
'Hope to get back in the air before we head for Las Vegas next Sunday... Retirement
is great
Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject:
Re: q
Date:
Mar 29, 2004
John, I've got an area under the driver's seat of Vamoose that has some
holes drilled for rivets that I plan to replace with clecos for easier
cleaning and maintenance. (fuel pump and filter mounting plate) If I tube
seal those things, will the tube seal leak out past the clecos ?? Might
just be worth cleaning up a little mess from time to time, and re-sealing
them periodically, eh ?? Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: q
>
> | Im not recommending this, but anyone with a steel-tube aircraft may
> find it
> | interesting --
> Steel tubes rust from the inside out, and this protects them
> | beautifully, tho it does add about 20lbs to the empty weight.
> | If anyone flies a Kolb regularly from salt water, this might be
> worth
> | considering.
> | Russ Kinne
>
> Hi Russ/Gang:
>
> I bought a quart of Stitts Tube Seal in 1984 to do my Ultrastar. Then
> I did my FS, and also my MK III. I am a firm believer in tube seal to
> prevent internal corrosion in 4130 tube fuselages. Never had a
> fuselage yet, that came from the welding shop and did not have some
> pin holes, at least, for moisture to invade the inside of those
> unprotected tubes.
>
> Not being able to see the corrosion inside the tubes does not make the
> problem go away.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject:
Re: Using Velcro
Date:
Mar 29, 2004
Try getting it real warm (hot) with a heat gun, Duane. Should peel right
off. Going to "Lost Wages," NV, huh ?? Take lotsa money. :-)
Have you been there before ?? Weather at this time of year is
perfect............you should have a great time. I'm gonna find out
about that "retirement" stuff in about 7 months..........old age is too
valuable to waste with working. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Using Velcro
>
> I have been replacing all of the "velcro" on metal wing gap cover of my
FireFly and this is what I have learned so far.
>
> I am now trying to figure out how to get the old "velcro" off of top side
of my wing root. It was Polytaked to the inboard rib and adjacent fabric and
does not want to pull off. If I try to use M.E.K. it will not go through the
velcro's non-porus backing but will dissolve the Poly spray finish and make
a big mess. I may just Polytak the new Velcro onto the old "velcro". 'Open
to suggestions on this item.
>
> 'Hope to get back in the air before we head for Las Vegas next Sunday...
Retirement is great
>
> Duane the plane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: q
Date:
Mar 29, 2004
| If I tube seal those things, will the tube seal leak out past the
clecos ?? Might
| just be worth cleaning up a little mess from time to time, and
re-sealing
| them periodically, eh ?? Lar.
Morning Larry/All:
Yes, most definitely, the tube seal will leak/crawl past the clecoes.
That is what makes this stuff work so well. I few CC's in the tube
through an 1/8" hole and it completely coats the inside wall of the
tubing. It also will find any pin hole or other, leaking out a little
to let you know that it has found that hole. Usually seals it up if
it is not too large.
I can show you a lot of places on my airplane where the tube seal has
leaked out a little. It is also a good indicator if there happens to
be a stress crack beneath the paint. Soon it will leak through and
let you know. That is how I discovered stress cracks in my tail post.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Timandjan(at)aol.com
Date:
Mar 29, 2004
Subject:
Removing Velcro.
I also am trying to remove the original Velcro, the self stick kind, it's on
very strong. I called Stits and they suggest using their cleaner, C2210
cleaning solvent, Got some but have not tried it more than testing it. Seesm
like anythign strong enough to eat the glue will also eat the polytone.
Anybody else have other hints to remove the old velcro on the fabric wing?
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 29, 2004
From:
Bob Bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject:
Re: Removing Velcro.
The most useful solvent in my shop is good old lacquer thinner.
Try cutting a towel or similar absorbant material to the same shape
as the velcro, soak it with thinner and position it directly over the
velcro. To retain the thinner in this application cover the whole
thing with a strip of aluminum foil. If the old adhesive has any
live plasticizer in it it may soften enough for you to peel it off.
-give it at least 30 minutes to work. There is a possibility it's
reached the same stage as old duct tape that has been left in
the sun too long and it just plain won't soften, in that case 3M
makes some dandy little abrasive pads for use on the end of
a dremel tool that will, with some patience, remove the velcro.
I used them for removing old gasket material from pump flanges
back in the days when I worked for a living. -BB
Timandjan(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>I also am trying to remove the original Velcro, the self stick kind, it's on
>very strong. I called Stits and they suggest using their cleaner, C2210
>cleaning solvent, Got some but have not tried it more than testing it. Seesm
>like anythign strong enough to eat the glue will also eat the polytone.
>
>Anybody else have other hints to remove the old velcro on the fabric wing?
>
>Tim
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 29, 2004
From:
Charlie & Meredith Blackwell <wozani(at)optonline.net>
Subject:
Velcro removal
Duane from Tallahassee;
Those different grades of Velcro make a world of difference. On an auto I
was restoring I ran into similar trouble with a rear battery cover that had the
velcro on the carpet and the metal. I took a grinding/sanding wheel to it,
one of those wheels that look like a black sponge but is for removing paint and
rust. A little gentle grind here and there and the stuff tore up enough that
some acetone soaked in and loosened the rest off. I would be extremely careful
of scratching any structural aluminum though.
Luck to you
Charlie, MKII Twinstar, NJ
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Guy Morgan" <morganguy(at)hotmail.com>
Subject:
Velcro removal
Date:
Mar 29, 2004
Did you try heat yet? A good rule to remember when doing any kind of repair/removal
is always use the least destructive method first. In this case I believe
it's heat. In the Navy, the 4790 (aviation maintenance bible)or the corrosion
manaual, I can't remember which, had repair tracks which listed, in order of preferrence,methods
for repair. The AC 43.13 might have something similar. I'd
have to check. You can download it in .PDF format at the FAA web site.
Guy Morgan (galveston, TX Kolber wanna-be)
From: Charlie Meredith Blackwell wozani(at)optonline.net Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Blackwell wozani(at)optonline.net Duane from Tallahassee; Those different
grades of Velcro make a world of difference. On an auto I was restoring I ran
into similar trouble with a rear battery cover that had the velcro on the carpet
and the metal. I took a grinding/sanding wheel to it, one of those wheels
that look like a black sponge but is for removing paint and rust. A little gentle
grind here and there and the stuff tore up enough that some acetone soaked
in and loosened the rest off. I would be extremely careful of scratching any
structural aluminum though. Luck to you Charlie, MKII Twinstar, NJ
http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2746??PS=">All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 29, 2004
From:
Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject:
Velco removal
Just went through this process with my FireFly a month ago. I tried various products
said to
remove sticky glues, including the new citrus stuff. To my surprise the best remover
was good
ole gas right out of my fuel container. It did a much better job than anything
else and won't
touch the Poly Fiber paints.
Give it a try, soaking with gas seems to work for me,
Terry - FireFly #95
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 29, 2004
From:
"Bob N." <ronoy(at)shentel.net>
Subject:
Re: tubing oil
Ed in JAX mentioned using boiled linseed oil. Yes that's what we used
some 50 yrs ago. But don't just boil up some linseed oil! Boiled linseed
oil comes already boiled--and hdwr/paint store has it. I also use it as
the liquid part of grout for making stained glass windows.
Bob N.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 29, 2004
From:
Richard Pike <rwpike(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Parachute Rigger
Years ago I bought a Second Chantz soft pack ballistic chute just before
they went out of business (Timing is everything) and getting it repacked
has been iffy. Found a rigger in Kentucky that was easy to work with,
reasonable, and very satisfactory. If you have a chute other than a BRS and
need the soft pack redone, here is their web site, ask for Jim Moore.
http://www.parachuteriggers.com/
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 29, 2004
From:
Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject:
Re: Removing Velcro.
>
>I also am trying to remove the original Velcro, the self stick kind, it's on
>very strong. I called Stits and they suggest using their cleaner, C2210
>cleaning solvent, Got some but have not tried it more than testing it. Seesm
>like anythign strong enough to eat the glue will also eat the polytone.
>
>Anybody else have other hints to remove the old velcro on the fabric wing?
>
>Tim
>
Tim,
I ran my Velcro to the back edge of the wing for the gap seal. Later when I
put on the gap seal, I discovered I needed more underneath the front of the
wing.
The trick is to peel it off much like skinning an animal. Start with a
corner and get a corner free and fold it back over the remaining material
and keep tension on it. I used an old Xacto (sp?) knife with a curved blade
in it to cut through the adhesive. To keep the adhesive from sticking to
the knife, spray it with WD40.
After you get the Velcro off, fold a paper towel over several times and lay
it on the adhesive that remains on the fabric. Saturate the towel with WD40
and let is set for a while. Then dampen another paper towel with WD40 and
gently rub and scrub the adhesive. It will not all come off at one time but
after several iterations you will be able to get most of the adhesive off.
The trick is to do a good job of adhesive skinning as you peel the Velcro.
Kerosene should work just as good as
WD40.
Good Luck
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date:
Mar 30, 2004
Subject:
Re: FireFly Is Ready To Go
In a message dated 3/25/04 5:59:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbhart(at)ldd.net
writes:
>
> The airport manager came by and told me the story. Two F15s were out and
> about when one had a fire indicator light come on. They were diverted to
> K02. The one with the problem was the first one I heard, and he landed with
>
> out any problem. But the one that I watched was the wing man. They closed
> the airport and the sheriff stayed to keep anyone away from the plane on the
>
> runway because it was armed with missiles. He was going to have to stay
> until the military showed up with security, spares and repair personnel.
>
> While I was in the main office washing up, they called over to see if they
> could get 18,000 pounds of jet fuel, but there was only 1,000 pounds left in
>
> the tank.
>
> Maybe tomorrow the airport will be open again. If you would like to see
> some of the repairs I made, I put up some photos and description
> at:
>
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly103.html
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Jackson, MO
>
Great story Jack.....keep em comin
George Randolph
the Villages....firestar driver
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date:
Mar 30, 2004
Subject:
Re: Riverside Air Show
In a message dated 3/28/04 6:09:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rwpike(at)charter.net writes:
> > cause 1 picture is so unusual that I've just gotta share
> >it. Explanation is on the page
> >at: http://www.tempics.homestead.com/doubles.html
> >
> >Larry Bourne
>
whadaneatopicture!! geez!
george randolph
seeyans at S n F at Swiderski's Kolb flyin....waddatrailor HE has!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject:
pictures
Date:
Mar 30, 2004
anyone tell me how to determine the size in dots per inch on a picture I have on
my system?
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 30, 2004
From:
Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject:
Noise level
Jack, Richard, All,
I took another step in the reduction of noise on my FireFly and thought I would
share. As most of you know, I made a big improvement in the sound level by
cutting my prop tips to the Top Flight configuration. After doing that, it
became clear that most of the noise I was hearing was from the carburetor
intake. So, I decided to pursue that. After looking around at ideas and asking
for information to build my own silencer, I finally conceded to purchase the one
made by Rotax. Was able to purchase one at a reduced price and thought it would
be worth the experiment.
Richard, I was surprised when I got the silencer that the two ports that are
inserted into the plastic chamber are of the same length which goes counter to
what I was told is the science of sound wave cancellation. The good news is
that it works!! I guess who ever engineered this for Rotax must know
something. I did have to mount the silencer upside down to allow my being able
to fold the wings, but this turned into an advantage in that the air filter is
facing rearward now and not taking the blast of the air stream head on. This
also made it easier to make the mounting brackets which I attached to the engine
cowling.
I changed the main jet to #155 as recommended by Rotax for a 447 and had
expected some loss of performance or having to mess with needle position, etc.
To my great surprise and pleasure, everything stayed the same. EG temps, CH
temps, RPM and performance were the same!!! Wonder if my fuel use will change
because of the smaller main? Will have to fly some more to determine that.
Anyway, I'm pleased with the further reduction in noise. With my standard
passive headset on, I have less noise then driving down the highway with the
windows open. Don't have a DB meter to give any definitive numbers.
Now , I'm hearing the prop chopping because of it's close clearance to the
aileron tube. Having a wood prop keeps me from putting a spacer on. So I'm
looking at Jack's idea of fairing the aileron tube to cut turbulence. Think I
will make up some temporary fairings and tape them on to evaluate.
Sorry for the long post, hope it's of some value to the list,
Terry - Firefly #95
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Using Velcro
Date:
Mar 30, 2004
I have seen about eight responses re my question on how to get the sticky-back
Velcro off after it wears out. You folks are the kind that makes this list worthwhile.
The use of solvents (gasoline, Goo-getter, mineral spirits etc) all require soaking
to the adhesive through the Velcro strip. I found that the backing for this
material was sealed air tight and would not allow the solvent to penetrate
to the adhesive. The solvent would have to be worked in around the edges to do
it's work.
After an appropriate amount of agonizing I decided to try the heat gun first because
it was the easiest. The heat was applied with a hair blower type gun, set
at "lo" heat, with great care to keep it on the Velcro and away from the adjacent
fabric. I could only do about four inches at a time but it worked and I
had it all off in about 15 minutes. Whew!
I re-activated the adhesive that remained on the fabric with a quick wipe of ascetone
and applied the new "Industrial Strength" Velcro. It went on beautifully
and looks like it will be plenty tight.
One note of caution: The leading edge of the forward panel of my wing gap cover
is mechanically locked in place but the back part has to be Velcroed so that
the ballistic chute can blow the whole panel open if it is ever fired. The aft
panel is locked in place by straps. I would not feel safe if the Velcro was the
only thing holding the wing gap cover in place because I have learned that
it does loose it's grip over time.
Thanks for the help guys,
Duane Mitchell, Tallahassee, FL
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject:
reminder program
Date:
Mar 30, 2004
anyone know of a downloadable reminder calender??, thought i had one on here,,but??""
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Thom Riddle" <jtriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Subject:
Re: reminder program
Date:
Mar 30, 2004
I use Microsoft Works Calendar with great satisfaction. I think it is included
in many computer software packages when sold by the retailer. If your PC did not
have it I think you can buy a new version pretty cheap or find an older version
free for download. I don't know where though.
Thom in Buffalo
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject:
Re: reminder program
Date:
Mar 30, 2004
W_A_R_N_I_N_G____:
Ron;
I would be very suspect of the link to a free
Date Manager program that you were told
to visit ....... the primary concern is that it is
another part of a T_E_R_R_I_B_L_E kind
of company called GAIN.
This company is responsible for MANY,
MANY TRACKING PROGRAMS that are
installed into unsuspecting users' machines
when they think all they are doing is getting
a nice little benign tool to assist in their
daily, simple, tasks. It is far more of a
SPYWARE program than anything that you
will benefit from.
NOT RECOMMENDED.
George
---
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Rick Pearce" <rap(at)isp.com>
Subject:
Mark 3 classic vs the xtra
Date:
Mar 30, 2004
I recently purchased the wing kit for a Kolb Classic 3 from a fellow
worker. As I under stand it I can still buy the classic or the xtra. How cramped
is the classic? I keep hearing talk about how much more leg room the xtra
has. I'm 6foot 3inches tall and weight 310. I'm planning on flying the plane
as a single. I have never sat in a Kolb classic to see how cramped it is.
Also is anyone flying the Kolb 3 with HKS700E engine? I would like
a preformance report.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject:
Re: Mark 3 classic vs the xtra
Date:
Mar 31, 2004
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Pearce" <rap(at)isp.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark 3 classic vs the xtra
>
> I recently purchased the wing kit for a Kolb Classic 3 from
a fellow worker. As I under stand it I can still buy the classic or the
xtra. How cramped is the classic? I keep hearing talk about how much more
leg room the xtra has. I'm 6foot 3inches tall and weight 310. I'm planning
on flying the plane as a single. I have never sat in a Kolb classic to see
how cramped it is.
> Also is anyone flying the Kolb 3 with HKS700E engine? I would
like a preformance report.
>
>
> Rick,
Welcome to the Kolb list.
I figured I would go ahead and put my three cents worth in and we'll see
what others think.
I fly a Classic with a little narrower enclosure than stock, I am 6' tall
and 190#, plenty of room. I can take up to a 260 # passenger and stay
within the weight and balance envelope but things get real cozy.
I let a 300 + # fellow sit in my bird one day to see if he fit and the
answer was a definite no. It was a width problem mostly, I don't think the
door would even have shut. The Classic is not a smallish two seater, but it
has its limitations. If you can, I suggest taking a trip down to TNK and try
both on for size, I think you will find the Extra a better fit.
On the subject of the HKS, it is on the under powered side for a Mk-3, it
would perform similar to a Rotax 503 with a 3.47 to 1 gearbox and a large
prop. This is not quite enough umph for either Mk-3 models "in my opinion".
Homer and gang tried an HKS on a Slingshot some years back and thought it
was under powered, I understand that HKS has made some improvements since
these tests, but the Mk-3 is a lot more of a load than a Slingshot so I am
sure it still would be marginal. Maybe someone else has first hand
experience, also give Tom Olenik at Olenik Aviation a call, he sells the HKS
and Rotax and could give you good info about it.
Good Luck, and again welcome aboard.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, Leechburg, PA
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject:
Re: reminder program
Date:
Mar 31, 2004
thanks george, i have not even looked at it yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reminder program
>
> W_A_R_N_I_N_G____:
>
> Ron;
>
> I would be very suspect of the link to a free
> Date Manager program that you were told
> to visit ....... the primary concern is that it is
> another part of a T_E_R_R_I_B_L_E kind
> of company called GAIN.
>
> This company is responsible for MANY,
> MANY TRACKING PROGRAMS that are
> installed into unsuspecting users' machines
> when they think all they are doing is getting
> a nice little benign tool to assist in their
> daily, simple, tasks. It is far more of a
> SPYWARE program than anything that you
> will benefit from.
>
> NOT RECOMMENDED.
>
> George
>
>
> ---
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject:
Re: Mark 3 classic vs the xtra
Date:
Mar 31, 2004
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Pearce" <rap(at)isp.com>
> I recently purchased the wing kit for a Kolb Classic 3 from
a fellow worker. As I under stand it I can still buy the classic or the
xtra.
Rick,
Maybe another possibility would be using your wings on a Kolbra fuselage. I
think the only differances are the root ribs wing attatch fitting, the angle
of the wings strut attatch fitting, and that the Kolbra has flaperons
instead of flaps and ailerons.
The Kolbra may have more room for larger pilots, and you would have a little
faster bird.
Since you would be flying solo most of the time I think the inline seating
would be a lot more enjoyable.
Just a thought.
Denny Rowe
________________________________________________________________________________
Changing the angle that the wings are mounted to the fuselage is changing
the angle of incidence and does not change the angle of attack. Angle of
attack is set by the mount of lift that the wing needs to generate in order
to support the amount of weight you are carrying. If you want to fly at
lower angle of attack you need to go faster or reduce the weight. Lowering
the incidence angle sets the minimum drag angle of the plane, more incidence
optimizes for lower airspeed. If you reduced the wing incidence you would
have to change the landing gear and tail angles as well. Once you have done
this the only thing that would change in flight is the drag of the fuselage.
The rest of the plane would be flying the same as it was before. Since you
can only get a few degrees out of the change you described I don't think you
would even be able to tell that you did it.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject:
North East Kolb gathering
Date:
Mar 31, 2004
Nor Easters,
Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville Fathers
Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion?
I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it.
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Thom Riddle" <jtriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Subject:
Re: North East Kolb gathering
Date:
Mar 31, 2004
I, for one, hope to be there.
Thom in Buffalo
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject:
Re: North East Kolb gathering
Date:
Mar 31, 2004
Never heard of it. Where is it?
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering
>
> Nor Easters,
> Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville
Fathers Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion?
> I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it.
> Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Heat Treated Steel Gear Legs
Date:
Mar 31, 2004
Hi Gang:
Pulled the gear legs off Miss P'fer today. Took them out to the
Wetumpka Airport to use my buddy's 20 ton press. Fun having all that
power under one hand.
Made a couple blocks to hold the legs and one to press on from some
2X4 stud material. Amazing how far 20 tons will compress white pine,
or what ever kind of tree they saw those 2X4's.
This was the first time I had tried straightening steel legs. It
worked great. I sorta snuck up on them, until I got the feel of how
far to go beyond straight to get them to hold where I wanted them to.
Actually, it took a lot more opposite bend to convince them to
straighten up than I thought.
Now I have an idea how much load I put on the left leg to get that
much bend in it. I think it was the result of several really hard
landings.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Mar 31, 2004
From:
Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject:
Re: North East Kolb gathering
Denny Rowe wrote:
>
> Nor Easters,
> Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville Fathers
Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion?
> I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it.
> Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA
>
Dennis,
Yes I have been keeping a list. So far I have about eighteen people with a couple
of maybe's. I was going to wait a little
longer and ask for a better count as we near that time.
I spoke to the owner of Shreveport North where the Fathers Day fly-in is held and
he said all are welcome. Will be getting more
info out soon. Hope to meet you there.
I assume you saw my earlier post that I had spoken to Homer and we are welcome
to drop in at his place to say Hello!
Hope this helps,
Terry - FireFly #95
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"James, Ken" <KDJames(at)berkscareer.com>
Subject:
North East Kolb gathering
Date:
Apr 01, 2004
I plan to go by car since my kolb is still in tube form :-)
Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Subject:
Monument Valley Reservations
Date:
Apr 01, 2004
Kolb Friends attending MV in May -
I just called Goulding's Campground in Monument Valley to make my
tent-camping reservations.
Here is some info that I think is important to pass on: We (Kolb Group)
probably should make our reservations soon. Unlike last year, where Big Lar
informed us that campground reservations were not really necessary, this
year is different. It will be crowded at the campgrounds the weekend of
14-16 May.
I spoke with Rod, at campground reservations (435) 727-3231. He told me
that there will be a large RV group staying that weekend (32 vehicles!)
which will take up half the campgrounds. If any of you are planning on
taking your RV to the Kolb Group get-together (*Az Dave*), then I recommend
you make reservations soon.
I informed Rod that there will be several of us ("Kolb Group") who are
planning on staying at the campgrounds that weekend, but I only made a
reservation for myself. Rod said he could put all of us "Kolb Group" tent
campers in the same area we had last year. That was a lot of fun - I hope
we get the same arrangements.
Full-hookup RV sites are $26 per night; tent sites are $16 per 2 persons,
plus $3 per additional person. Campground facilities include firepits at
the campsites, restrooms with showers, indoor swimming pool, grocery store
and a restaurant. Goulding's also has a nice lodge with 62 rooms, at $68
per night. There is a gas station 100 yards from the airstrip.
Looking forward to seeing you all there. I will be driving up from the
Albuquerque area, my Mark-3 in tow. With training wheels.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner-1400, Powerfin-72
Cedar Crest, NM
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 01, 2004
From:
Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject:
Fathers Day fly-in
Thom and others,
Not knowing what your plans are for staying over at the NE Fathers Day Fly-in at
Shreveport North Airport, I thought I should mention that there is very limited
housing available there in the "Bunkhouse". You would need to contact them as
soon as possible if you are interested.
Go to www.footlightranch.com and all the information is there.
Keep your fingers crossed for good weather!!!!!
Terry - FireFly #95
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Dave Rains <rr(at)htg.net>
Subject:
Monument Valley Reservations
Date:
Apr 01, 2004
Thanks for the reminder. I'm really looking forward to it. I may have to
put my Alaska trip on hold, building a new house. Now, If I can just get
Will home one day earlier.....
Dave Rains
C175 N8086T
RANS S12
sorry, no Kolb
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Chuck Davis - Comcast" <davis207(at)comcast.net>
"Kolb-List Digest List"
Subject:
Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 03/31/04
Date:
Apr 01, 2004
I plan on being there. In fact, I took last Friday off work (first nice
flying day in months!) and flew from near Princeton NJ out that way to
within gliding distance of Homer's field. Just a little scouting trip. As
I learned at the Engineer Officer Basic Cousre (EOBC) "There is no
substitute for a physical reconnaissance"
Looking to seeing everyone there!
Chuck Davis
Princeton, NJ
FireFly #028
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: North East Kolb gathering
Nor Easters,
Does anyone have a list of Kolbers who are planning to make the Wellsville
Fathers
Day fly in and Homers homestead invasion?
I'm just curious to know how many of us are trying to make it.
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, PA
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 02, 2004
From:
Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject:
(no subject)
Denny,
Let me know when you are coming in this way on your breakout flight. Would like
to make your acquaintance.
Luray is going to fire up his new Jabiru engine this saturday and I and another
UL'er are going to be there to witness the initial blast. We helped him mount
the engine several weeks ago. He getting very itchy to get flying again. He
should be more than ready for our NE Fathers Day Fly-in. If you have any
influence on the weather gods, work on good weather for this years fly-in.
Weather hasn't been real agreeable around here lately either.
Terry - FireFly #95
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 02, 2004
From:
Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject:
Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 03/31/04
Chuck Davis - Comcast wrote:
>
> I plan on being there. In fact, I took last Friday off work (first nice
> flying day in months!) and flew from near Princeton NJ out that way to
> within gliding distance of Homer's field. Just a little scouting trip. As
> I learned at the Engineer Officer Basic Cousre (EOBC) "There is no
> substitute for a physical reconnaissance"
>
> Looking to seeing everyone there!
>
> Chuck Davis
> Princeton, NJ
> FireFly #028
>
Chuck,
Last Friday was a decent day for flying around here. Did you have any problem
finding Homers farm? Your on the list!
Looking forward to meeting you at the fly-in
Terry - FireFly #95
________________________________________________________________________________
Monument Valley veterans,
Is insurance required to attend? I have a chance to attend Monument
Valley with my Firestar this May, and I am currently working on getting
insured, but I don't know if the paperwork will be done by the Fly-In.
John Jung
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject:
Re: Monument Valley Reservations
Date:
Apr 02, 2004
Last year they said it was required, but nobody ever checked. Rob was
there this morning, and my reservations with the rest of the group are
confirmed. Fri thru Sun nights. Good news ! ! !
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <johnjung(at)compusenior.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Reservations
>
> Monument Valley veterans,
>
> Is insurance required to attend? I have a chance to attend Monument
> Valley with my Firestar this May, and I am currently working on getting
> insured, but I don't know if the paperwork will be done by the Fly-In.
>
> John Jung
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Steven Green" <kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject:
Re: extra parts
Date:
Apr 03, 2004
Paul,
Those should be for constructing the center section between the wings, but
there should be three of them I think.
Steven
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject:
Windshield
Date:
Apr 05, 2004
You may remember my adventures with Vamoose' sandblasted and sun-baked windshield
a while back. I tried using the Novus on a lambswool buffer on my random orbit
sander, and it did OK........better than it was after trying it by hand.
BUT..........a few weeks later, it had deteriorated again, and I was amazed at
how bad it had gotten and how fast. No question now. Yesterday I did the passenger
side; today the drivers' side. Took some pics yesterday, and just now
added one to the webpage I'd built before. Take a look at it at:
http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/sandblast.html .
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Do we even have to tell you to keep this one covered?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Subject: Kolb-List: Windshield
You may remember my adventures with Vamoose' sandblasted and sun-baked
windshield a while back. I tried using the Novus on a lambswool buffer on
my random orbit sander, and it did OK........better than it was after trying
it by hand. BUT..........a few weeks later, it had deteriorated again, and
I was amazed at how bad it had gotten and how fast. No question now.
Yesterday I did the passenger side; today the drivers' side. Took some
pics yesterday, and just now added one to the webpage I'd built before.
Take a look at it at:
http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/sandblast.html .
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Monument Vally Group,
I have reservations to camp, and I'll be bringing my Firestar in a
trailer. Looking forward to seeing the area from the air, as well as
visiting with fellow Kolb flyers.
Thanks to all that offered advise on insurance. I am getting insurance
through the USUA program. It seems strange that my plane needs to be
registered twice, but the savings are significant. I needed the
insurance soon, anyway because it is a requirement to get a hanger at
Buckeye.
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject:
harness
Date:
Apr 06, 2004
any body know "where/how/best place" to attatch shoulder belts? on a ultrastar.picture
maybe.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
harness
Date:
Apr 06, 2004
From:
"Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield(at)kcc.com>
Ron, I've got a picture how ours is I'll send to you. Mine angles back
and wraps around the rear uprights on the rear of the cage, near the
boom tube.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronnie wehba
Subject: Kolb-List: harness
any body know "where/how/best place" to attatch shoulder belts? on a
ultrastar.picture maybe.
==
==
==
==
This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged,
confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure
under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly
by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy.
Thank you.
==============================================================================
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi fellow Kolb builders,flyers,
Just before heading to the shop, I thought I would share a thought that came to
mind about this network of Kolb builders/flyers we have.
Having others over to look over your work is a major plus. Even though your fellow
Kolb brother may rag you with your approach to the building process, we can
all learn from one another. Be it, what to do, or what not to do, it's still
an important part of the building process.
I had the pleasure of having Will Uribe over this past weekend and learned from
him to place the AN bolts into the lift strut tang before riveting it and bolting
it to the spar! Well I turned to my complotted wing on the wall and said
"Oops" These type of things are nowhere in the plans.
Every time someone visits me I learn something about this kit. Pick up on a trick
or a better way to make a part. It's amazing!
John Williamson is planning on dropping in here on the way back from Sun$Fun and
I can only dream of what he will be able to offer.
One has to think of this process as a matter of (Building an Aircraft). Kit aircraft
companies go thought several different people in their history making parts
and airframes. So this would make our airplanes (No two are alike custom birds)
At any rate, the fine folks at TNK have stepped up at every request and performed
flawlessly. I hade a slight problem with a part on my fuselage today and Travis
and Bryan nailed it and the right stuff is on the way!
Correction, I stated earlier that the Kolbra had no gap seal. Wrong! It does have
a small one but most fly the Kolbra aircraft before making one and there is
no mention of it in the comic book.... sorry Travis...hehe had to go there.
Anyone heard from Kenneth Reeves? He Figure out that machine yet?
FLY KOLB
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 06, 2004
From:
Ben Ransom <bwr000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
harness
One thing you might add on an Ultrastar is a safety line of some sort
so that if a shoulder belt somehow gets unlatched and behind you, it
won't go all the way back to the prop. The shoulder strap got away
from brother Mike once, but luckily didn't go all the way to the prop,
maybe cuz it was hooked around his neck --- somehow that didn't
decrease his pucker factor during the incident. :)
On my firestar I use some 3/4" wide, fairly thick climber's webbing to
attach shoulder harnesses to the crosstube that is approximately behind
pilot's shoulders. This avoids using bolts, etc, so may be helpful.
-Ben Ransom
--- "Rayfield, Bill" wrote:
>
> Ron, I've got a picture how ours is I'll send to you. Mine angles
> back
> and wraps around the rear uprights on the rear of the cage, near the
> boom tube.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronnie
> wehba
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: harness
>
>
>
> any body know "where/how/best place" to attatch shoulder belts? on a
> ultrastar.picture maybe.
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may
> contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is
> exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message
> in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the
> e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you.
>
==============================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
=====
http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom
__________________________________
http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"G. T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Subject:
harness
Date:
Apr 06, 2004
Bill Rayfield et al:
Ditto to Ben's caution about the shoulder belts getting into the prop on the
Ultrastar.
We had a fellow at our field who used a wide, 4 point (race car type) on his
Ultrastar. In doing some testing/tweaking/adjusting on the ground one day,
he got in and out of the US several times. In the last taxi back to the
take the runway and fly, he secured his lap belts for the taxi, but failed
to connect the shoulder harness.
Going to full throttle, at about 20-25 feet off the ground, both shoulder
harnesses were sucked into the prop, destroying it; ripped both the carb and
the muffler off the engine; and threw fragments of detached parts through
the ailerons and the wings. Not a pretty sight. The good news is that he
continued to fly the plane, landed immediately/safely and was not injured.
Fun, Safe Flying!
George Alexander
Original Firestar
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ben Ransom
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: harness
One thing you might add on an Ultrastar is a safety line of some sort
so that if a shoulder belt somehow gets unlatched and behind you, it
won't go all the way back to the prop.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"James, Ken" <KDJames(at)berkscareer.com>
Subject:
German Engine
Date:
Apr 07, 2004
I e-mailed Otto Funk ( Yes real name ) for some more info on the smart
engine, The price is right but at 86 Kg 189lbs it needs to go on a diet (
just like me.)
Just thought you guy's might be interested.
Ken
homepage www.ecofly.de and
www.fk-leichtflugzeuge.de
In the moment we have flying 12 ultralight aircrafts with the Smart-
Engine.
The first 60 KW engine has now 65 hours flight time.
One 45 KW engine hase more than 1400 hours without any problem.
The performance of the 60 KW engine is comperable to the Rotax 912S.
Our gear and enginemount is also used in the push-pull unmanned aicraft
"Hunter" of the US-Army.Here we work together with Northrop Grumman.
The weight of the ready to run Firewall-Forward-Kit without Propeller
and without cowling is 86 Kg and the price is 8.800.-EUR.
The time of delivery is 6 weaks.
________________________________________________________________________________
That is interesting
From the Smart car web site:
The suprex turbo engine.
A powerhouse without a single superfluous gramme on the cylinders: The
3-cylinder rear-mounted engine with turbocharger and charge air cooler
weighs just 59 kg. That means: ample power, low fuel consumption and low
emissions.
So the basic engine weights just 139 pounds, his reduction drive, engine
mount and other accessories must weight 50 pounds. Not two bad but It sure
takes what looks like a good light engine right into the heavy weight
category.
Topher
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Ken
Subject: Kolb-List: German Engine
I e-mailed Otto Funk ( Yes real name ) for some more info on the smart
engine, The price is right but at 86 Kg 189lbs it needs to go on a diet (
just like me.)
Just thought you guy's might be interested.
Ken
homepage www.ecofly.de and
www.fk-leichtflugzeuge.de
In the moment we have flying 12 ultralight aircrafts with the Smart-
Engine.
The first 60 KW engine has now 65 hours flight time.
One 45 KW engine hase more than 1400 hours without any problem.
The performance of the 60 KW engine is comperable to the Rotax 912S.
Our gear and enginemount is also used in the push-pull unmanned aicraft
"Hunter" of the US-Army.Here we work together with Northrop Grumman.
The weight of the ready to run Firewall-Forward-Kit without Propeller
and without cowling is 86 Kg and the price is 8.800.-EUR.
The time of delivery is 6 weaks.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 07, 2004
From:
Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject:
FireFly Drag Reduction Continues
FireFlyers and Kolbers,
In my quest to get a little further on five gallons, I have faired in the
trailing tubes on the ailerons, elevators and rudder. Calculations indicate
that 50, 55, and 60 mph would be 0.58, 0.78, and 1.01 hp. The hard part
was making the fairings for 5/16 OD tubing. How it can be done can be seen
at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly105.html
The process of mounting, shaping and covering the fairings can be seen at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly106.html
Just finished it up today, and took the FireFly for a short spin. It seemed
a little quieter. Could not check out speed differences due to turbulent
air. Hopefully I will be able to fly to the next EAA 453 Chapter meeting in
a couple of weeks. Then I will get speed, fuel consumption, and noise
measurements.
Have a good weekend.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello everybody,
I'm new to the Kolb community. I just purchased a '98 Firestar, with a Rotax 503
and Warp Drive prop. What a blast! I'm trying to educate myself as much as
possible, and the Kolb list has been fantastic. This Firestar has a Lexan partial
(back to your shoulders) enclosure. The previous owner told me of an inexpensive
latch that can be used to hold the door open. I've searched the archive,
and cannot find a reference to it.
It was described to me as attaching to the leading edge of the right wing, near
the wing root. It was spring loaded to extend and catch the door. If you know
the source on this latch, please let me know.
Thanks,
Jimmy Cash
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"pcondon" <pcondon(at)mitre.org>
Subject:
GEO METRO 1300 (Raven) engine for sale
Date:
Apr 08, 2004
My 1300 GEO Metro from a 1998 auto, 38,500 miles is for sale. My building
partner "decided" on a Rotax and wrote a check for over 15K$ with out really
informing me. He is the "money" partner and I am the "labor" partner.
Anyway, this engine is the proper one for the RAVEN 1300 SVS conversion and
has all the wiring, computers, oxygen sensors and part that RAVEN lists when
you snag one from the salvage yard. I yanked the engine this past February
from a local salvage yard. The car was in the yard less then 2 weeks when I
got the call. Started up and idled like a little electric engine (smooth),
no oil or smoke, no water in the oil, no oil in water. Engine located in
south NJ. I paid 600.00 which is the average price for this engine - I
jumped on the deal due the great condition and shape of the engine. It's a
DOHC, multiport fuel injection, electronic ignition engine that can run the
turbo option from RAVEN. This is a nice, inexpensive engine option. Raven
also has the engine mount options that they can assist in..i.e. no extra $$
lost or spent for the mount. Contact pcondon(at)mitre.org.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 08, 2004
From:
Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart(at)ldd.net>
Subject:
Re: FireFly Drag Reduction Continues
>
>Or you can use "trailing edge" alum material from AircraftSpruce
>to do this - if you do it when you are first building.
>It hardly weighs more than the tubes do.
>
Possums,
I would like to have had your foresight, but I did not want to recover the
ailerons, elevators and rudder. So the easiest thing for me to do was to
add to what I already have.
I like your additions to the horizontal and vertical stabilizers too.
I still have a few more areas to drag reduction to do that will not violate
AC 103-7 regs. I want to fill the gap between the horizontal stabilizer and
the tail tube, add strut end fairings, and clean up the center section of
the wing top and bottom.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart(at)ldd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Hey Guys,
I made a list of things I still have to purchase for my Kolbra.Thought I would
throw it out here to see if any care to point out any major out of line prices.
Either way to much or not enough. Also totaled up what I have spent so far.
Wish I hadn't done that, but here it is for your amusement.
Finishing List
Covering (Aircraft tech support) $995.00
Paint (same as above) $900.00
Engine kit (Kolb Includes exhaust) $2000.00
Prop extension $295.00
Fuel cell $500.00 estimated
Radio (micro air)$699.00
Transponder(microiar)$1200.00
ELT (A/S) $250.00
Altimeter(Kolb) $215.00
ASI (A/S) $135.00
VSI (A/S) $201.00
EIS (Kolb) $510.00
Hot box (Kolb) $225.00
Strobes (Kolb) $238.00
Seats (Kolb) $225.00 + 30.00 ea for logo (if I go this route)
BRS (Kolb) $2500.00
Intercom (A/S) $200.00
Sub Total $11288.00
Kit 1 $4200.00
Kit 2 $7700.00 (includes extra parts for flaps less wheels
and gas tanks)
Engine $6800.00 (used 912UL 50 hrs)
Prop $600.00(used warp a billzillon hours)
Wheels $1000.00 (includes tires,tubes,brakes,wheels and axles)
Grand total $31588.00 (if I go with all the above and god knows what
else)
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: parts
Date:
Apr 08, 2004
|It comes with the Titan SS exhaust system
| (900.00 bucks) so that makes the rest total up to around $1100.00.
It
| includes the engine mount,lord mounts,throttle cables,choke cable,
splitter
| and all the hardware to mount the engine in the airframe. What do
you think?
|
| Paul Petty
Paul P/All:
I think I would try and sweet talk Titan into giving me a price break
on the exhaust system, which, BTW, is the best system I have used so
far.
As far as $1,100 for the engine mounts, lord mounts, cables, etc., I
think I would save myself a buncha money by doing my own. The engine
mounts from the factory are probably the standard 1/4" thick angle Bro
Jim and I started out with 10 years ago. I highly recommend the 3/8"
thick angle which is much stronger and durable than its thinner
brother. I do not know if Kolb makes 3/8" or not. They are simple to
make. Hardest part is getting them layed out and drilled correctly.
I think I still have the CAD drawings John Russell drew up to make the
mounts for his SS and was so generous to send me a set also. They do
require a tiny bit of machining where the bolt holes get close to the
fillet of the angle.
A lot of that gear can be purchased at better prices by researching
the internet, by buying overhauled instruments, etc.
Might want to put some want ads in the publications and on the
internet for items you want and need.
I couldn't afford to build or fly if I didn't play this kind of game
to save a dollar here and there.
Ya'll take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
AULSU(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 08, 2004
Subject:
Rotax 503
Hi Gang,
My Kolb MKIII is doing great with 550 hours with a Rotax 582. I just finished
a Mini-Max 1100 with a used Rotax 503 and it's a dog. I have a new three
bladed Power Fin prop pitched to produce 6500 rpm's in flight. Does anyone know
what the static rpm should be, or
any suggestions to improve performance? Gross weight with me in it is 534 lbs.
Tom Guidroz, 259TG Houma La.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: parts
Date:
Apr 08, 2004
Thats about what I spent, less the transponder. Those Microair units are
nice. Don't you want an encoder too?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: parts
>
> Hey Guys,
> I made a list of things I still have to purchase for my Kolbra.Thought I
would throw it out here to see if any care to point out any major out of
line prices. Either way to much or not enough. Also totaled up what I have
spent so far. Wish I hadn't done that, but here it is for your amusement.
>
> Finishing List
>
> Covering (Aircraft tech support) $995.00
> Paint (same as above) $900.00
> Engine kit (Kolb Includes exhaust) $2000.00
> Prop extension $295.00
> Fuel cell $500.00 estimated
> Radio (micro air)$699.00
> Transponder(microiar)$1200.00
> ELT (A/S) $250.00
> Altimeter(Kolb) $215.00
> ASI (A/S) $135.00
> VSI (A/S) $201.00
> EIS (Kolb) $510.00
> Hot box (Kolb) $225.00
> Strobes (Kolb) $238.00
> Seats (Kolb) $225.00 + 30.00 ea for logo (if I go this route)
> BRS (Kolb) $2500.00
> Intercom (A/S) $200.00
>
> Sub Total $11288.00
> Kit 1 $4200.00
> Kit 2 $7700.00 (includes extra parts for flaps less
wheels and gas tanks)
> Engine $6800.00 (used 912UL 50 hrs)
> Prop $600.00(used warp a billzillon hours)
> Wheels $1000.00 (includes tires,tubes,brakes,wheels and
axles)
> Grand total $31588.00 (if I go with all the above and god knows
what else)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject:
Re: parts
Date:
Apr 08, 2004
Ms. Dixie is beginnin' to look like a whole plantation ($$$)
George
---
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 08, 2004
From:
Jim Clayton <jspc78(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
John Hauck's birthday
<Lynnp@c-gate.net>
By the way list members John Hauck's birthday is
today! 65 years young.
Happy birthday John! Hope you're having a great day.
See you at MV!
-Jim
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, 912ULS Building
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 08, 2004
From:
"Bob N." <ronoy(at)shentel.net>
Subject:
Happy BD
friend John,
Sorry for the personal msg via List, but my last msg directly to you was
bounced. Reckon I'm on yer dirty peoples list? Same with my youngest,
Dr. Rolf. Gettin' ta be a dirty old man.
Bob N.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject:
FAR 71.7
Date:
Apr 08, 2004
Fellow Kolbers:
Please consider joining those of us who fly in SE Michigan in opposing the proposed
expansion of Class D airspace at Selfridge ANGB (MTC) by logging onto the
Docket Management System and leaving a comment.
Many thanks!
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregg Stockman
Subject: FAR 71.7
Dear Pilots:
It looks like I got some bad information from Selfridge ATC last week. A review
of FAR 71.7 revealed that airspace under FAR part 71 is described in nautical
miles. Therefore, the "6.6 miles" in the Selfridge NPRM would be in nautical
units. Apparently everything in aviation these days works in nautical miles
except for Selfridge ATC.
If this proposal gets approved Selfridge ANGB is going to be one large piece of
controlled airspace. This will effect on all operations at 57D except cutting
the grass.
I submitted my comments to the Feds tonight online. It was very easy to do. The web site to do this is http://dms.dot.gov. The docket number is "FAA-2003-16705". From this web site it is possible to look at the comments that have been submitted on this topic. My comment should be posted shortly.
Please consider submitting a comment regarding the expansion of Selfridge's airspace.
See you around the airport....
Greg
Gregg Stockman wrote:
Dear 57D Pilots:
Yesterday I spoke with Mike Lajoye, ATC Manager at Selfridge. I expressed our
concerns over the proposed expansion of the Selfridge's class D airspace. He
assured me they do not want to adversely effect any operators at 57D. He also
clarified there will be no approach extensions, north and south of their airspace,
outside of this expansion. Mike agreed to look into our concerns and
get back to me.
Today Mike got back to me and he further clarified the proposal. The "6.6 mile
radius" listed on the NPRM is to be in STATUE MILES. Apparently everything
in aviation these days works in nautical miles except for the FAA. Therefore,
both the north and south boundaries of Selfridge's airspace will not change.
The east and west sides of the airspace however will be expanded 1.3 NM (from
4.4 NM to 5.7 NM, as measured from the center of Selfridge).
This makes the expansion much smaller than it was first thought to be. With
this in mind, please review the NPRM and forward any comments you have to the
FAA.
The only operational change I see for myself is during a straight-out departure
from runway 18. At about 2.5 NM out I will either turn southwest bound, turn
east bound, or contact Selfridge ATC.
Thank you for your attention in this matter. Fly Safe.
Greg
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"info" <info(at)aircrafttechsupport.com>
Subject:
Sun-'N-Fun!!
Date:
Apr 08, 2004
Please look us up at the Poly-Fiber booth in building "B" at the fly-in, we'll
get out to the ultralite area later in the week.
Please let us know if and when you'all are having a dinner,
See ya there,
Thanks,
Jim & Dondi Miller
Aircraft Technical Support, Inc.
Poly-Fiber & Ceconite Distributors
(Toll Free) (877) 877-3334
Web Site: www.poly-fiber.com
E-mail: info(at)aircrafttechsupport.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"J.D. Stewart" <jstewart(at)inebraska.com>
Subject:
parts
Date:
Apr 09, 2004
Not true. I have the ALT/VSI option in my 912S-powered Titan.
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports (EIS dealer)
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
FlyChallenger E-mail list and Website Administrator
http://challenger.inebraska.com
TitanAircraft e-mail list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/
>
> Denny, Paul and all,
>
> The altimeter and vsi option in an EIS is great. Only problem is you can
> only get it in the 2-stroke EIS and not the 4-stroke model.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 534 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"J.D. Stewart" <jstewart(at)inebraska.com>
Subject:
parts
Date:
Apr 09, 2004
Actually the model 4000, so I can monitor all 4 EGTs. It was kinda overkill
with everything else, but the only way to get the 4 EGTs.
J.D.
>
>
>
>
> Hi J.D.
>
> Are you running the EIS 2002 or EIS 2004 model to get the
> altimeter and VSI
> options?
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 534 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Lloyd McFarlane" <lrmcf(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject:
Weight & Balance
Date:
Apr 10, 2004
Hey Guys,
After doing the math, It's 33% CG empty fuel,
and 35.93% CG full fuel...
Mike, my FS II weighs 418 empty and 682 lbs with 10 gal fuel and pilot. I had
to move the 13 lb battery to the nose to keep the CG in range. At full weight,
I'm at 31.9 % based on a 64" ave chord. FS II with 503 DCDI, electric start,
two blade wooden prop, BRS chute, and heel brakes.
Lloyd McFarlane
Fullerton, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 10, 2004
Subject:
[ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Mike Pierzina
Subject: Parking brakes for Heel Brakes
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.04.10.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 10, 2004
Subject:
[ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Mike Pierzina
Subject: Weight & balance
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.1.04.10.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 10, 2004
From:
jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Conversion of 447 to oil injection
Ok Rotax experts - what would it take and estimated cost to convert my
Rotax 447 to oil injection.
Particulars regarding the Engine: The engine is a Rotax 447 purchased with
the kit in 1997. Question is can the oil injection pump be installed on my
engine as it is configured or what may need to be changed. The engine has
a Rotax starter that mounts to the side of the engine crank case towards
the recoil end parallel to the direction of the crank case. The kits
previous owner pulled the recoil off - can't recall for sure but I believe
the recoil can be put back on without deleting the starter if needed, just
saves weight (###) leaving it off. I don't care about the recoil as I can
hand prop it easier. Would like to keep the electric starter.
I wouldn't mind having a 503 for the oil injection and wouldn't need to run
the engine quite as hard. Would it be cheaper - better to purchase a used
503 and exhaust system and sell the 447 or is conversion the most cost
effective.
jerb
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject:
Mark II returns to the air
Date:
Apr 11, 2004
Gentlemen:
Yesterday was the first flight of my Mark II with its new engine and miscellaneous
other mods and refits. I'm happy to report that it all went very well. As
one would expect, there's some slight tweaking needed in the carb setup as the
EGT temps were just a tad above nominal, but that's it. I can't believe how nervous
I was. I don't think I was that wired when I did my first solo over twenty
years ago. Of course, back then I didn't know squat about anything so I was
probably too dumb to be scared!
Summary:
New Rotax 503 DCDI with oil injection
New Bing 54 carbs
New panel and new, shielded wiring throughout
New EIS with ALT and VSI
New starboard fuel tank and new fuel hoses throughout
New fuel primer
New tailwheel
New fiberglass landing gear
New pitot tube and added a static port
New combo radio/GPS mount
On that last item, one note. I've always had airspeed read very high. While it
was tough to get an exact reading during the test flight yesterday because the
air was so choppy, I'm qualitatively sure that the airspeeds are now much closer
and may in fact be dead on.
-Ken Fackler
Resurrected Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 11, 2004
From:
The Kuffels <kuffel(at)cyberport.net>
Subject:
Off Topic, antennas
Boyd,
<>
The Vertex Standard (nee Yaesu) at $380 looks like a real value. For
the price of an aircraft handheld you get FM broadcast, aircraft
vor/localizer nav, aircraft com, ham 2 meters and weather. I'm looking
forward to seeing it as well as you and the gang at Monument Valley.
If you really needed resonance from 88-162 MHz, the only way to go would
be a log-periodic (that takes me back to the mid-60's with Hy-Gain
Electronics). Now that would be something to see mounted on top of a Kolb.
Of course, since you are only transmitting on 118-130(or so) and 144-148
then a multi-element flexible dipole might work quite well. The trapped
dipole is mechanically and electronically more complex and less
desirable since the critical application is the lower frequency. In
other words, aircraft com would suffer the losses and radiation
inefficiencies of the traps.
Perhaps a vertical X with about a 30 degrees included angle and the coax
running straight down from the intersection of the legs. Make the 4
legs out of coax braid (RG-11 braid even better) for slightly more
broadband performance. If you don't mind cable which is a few years
old, I can bring down enough RG-58 to really experiment. I'll bet the
receiver's performance can easily make up for any out of band
inefficiencies. We should set up an electronics seminar and charge
admission.
Take care,
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
________________________________________________________________________________
Kolbers,
I'm doing a bit of maintenance before starting my 2004 flying season so I
thought I'd replace some fuel line. I ordered it from Olenik and received
it very quickly. Thanx Tom. My question is this. Is there any "easy" way
to slip the line over the various connections? Dang that's hard to do
without removing things off the plane. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.
Thanx,
Bob
Miss B Mark III N57MB
Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious
Tenacity Farm
Campbellsburg, Kentucky
Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and
more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Homer Kolb and Monument Valley
Date:
Apr 11, 2004
Hi Everyone:
I just got off the telephone with Homer Kolb. It was great to talk to
him again, as always. He is really busy, as he always is. However,
when I started telling him about the Unplanned 2d Annual Kolb Flyin at
Monument Valley, his ears perked up and I was able to get him to
commit to the trip unless something unforeseen comes up between now
and then. He sounded as excited about this flyin as the rest of us
who were there last year and all the new folks that are planning on
making the journey for the first time this year.
I am going to keep my fingers crossed and include Homer in my prayers.
Hopefully, a good word here and there may be of benefit to get Homer
and Clara Kolb out to our flyin.
Folks, everyone is invited to attend. Do not have to be a Kolber to
make the journey. However, we may convert ya if you are not careful.
Would also like to give Bruce Chesnut, owner of The New Kolb Aircraft
Company a personal invite to attend. I have not talked to him or any
of the other Kolb people except to let them know that we are going
back out this May.
I will try to depart for Sun and Fun in Miss P'fer in the morning.
Should be down there tomorrow evening. However, the weather is "iffy"
and I may not get out of here until Tuesday morning. Will play it by
ear and see you all down there when I get there.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 11, 2004
From:
The Kuffels <kuffel(at)cyberport.net>
Subject:
Re: replacing fuel line
Tenacity Farm Bob,
(Love that name)
<>
Warm the end with hot water or (very carefully) a hair blower.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"robert mason" <masonclan(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject:
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
Started to look into radio's for my Xtra..anyone out there that has the Xcom
760 or something around the same size!
I'm new to the Kolbler group and looking forward to meeting everybody at
MV..hopefully I will be able to fly in next year...
Robert Mason
Simi Valley Ca
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject:
replacing fuel line
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
. Is there any "easy" way
to slip the line over the various connections? Dang that's hard to do
without removing things off the plane. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.
Thanx,
Bob
try some silicone grease on the fittings.... and with a q tip spread some on the
inside of the tube.... first make sure it wont cause a problem with the hose.
boyd
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
"kuffel"
Subject:
antennas
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
Of course, since you are only transmitting on 118-130(or so) and 144-148
then a multi-element flexible dipole might work quite well. The trapped
dipole is mechanically and electronically more complex and less
desirable since the critical application is the lower frequency. In
other words, aircraft com would suffer the losses and radiation
inefficiencies of the traps.
Take care,
Tom Kuffel
tom
i have used my dipole antenna and the reception on the fm broadcast band was poor......
so for now i am using the rubberduck, which is working quite well,
until i can find an answer to the problems. maybe i can mount the rubberduck
in the nose cone with a ground plane. contact with salt lake approach
from 60 miles is good with the duck. it will be fun to experiment with a multi
stran dipole and see what the results are.
the radio uses a sma connector and i would like to adapt it to bnc for quick disconect.....
I could slap yeasu for that blunder.
boyd
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
WillUribe(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
Subject:
replacing fuel line
I dip the fuel line ends in 2 cycle oil
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of boyd young
Subject: Kolb-List: replacing fuel line
. Is there any "easy" way
to slip the line over the various connections? Dang that's hard to do
without removing things off the plane. Any suggestions would be
appreciated.
Thanx,
Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron(at)gamespeak.com>
Subject:
Transporting Mk3
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
Hello all.
I sold my MK3 and the new owner plans on renting a trailer to take it home
in. I was going to call Kolb to find out what hardware I need to fold the
wings and get their recommendation for transport; however, they are closed
this week. The plane currently has fixed AN hardware, not the quick pins. I
have never folded the wings. Isn't there some sort of brace/holder that goes
over the tail boom and holds the wings? Any input will be greatly
appreciated.
Regards,
Aaron
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Subject:
Re: replacing fuel line
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
bbrocious asked: << Is there any "easy" way
to slip the line over the various connections? >>
Bob -
Try a little spit on the connector. Fuel hose will slip right on.
And speaking of fuel line - What's the recommended best-quality see-thru
fuel line available? The original "tygo-thane" clear fuel line supplied
with my Kolb has only been in use 2 years, and it's already deteriorating.
I found cracks & splits in the hose in several places. And it's not UV
damage, because my plane is always hangared. Is the blue fuel line any
good?
Advice I've collected from this List suggests that black neoprene fuel hose
lasts way longer than the clear stuff, but I like to SEE that the fuel is
running up the hose to the carbs when I turn on the electric fuel pump,
before I hit the starter. That's how I discovered there were cracks in my
fuel line - I could see that the gas was not pumping up hill.
Appreciate any/all advice.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner-1400, in
New Mexico
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
HShack(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
Subject:
Re: replacing fuel line
In a message dated 4/12/2004 5:27:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil writes:
And speaking of fuel line - What's the recommended best-quality see-thru
fuel line available? The original "tygo-thane" clear fuel line supplied
with my Kolb has only been in use 2 years, and it's already deteriorating.
I found cracks & splits in the hose in several places. And it's not UV
damage, because my plane is always hangared. Is the blue fuel line any
good?
I got some from Mark Smith [on the Fly-UL list]. mark(at)trikite.com
A little expensive, but doesn't seem to deterioate. It will turn a
reddish-brown after a while; butyou can still see through it. It's heavy walled
enough to use as pulse line. Mine's been on about 3 years.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: replacing fuel line/Neoprene Over Plastic
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
| Advice I've collected from this List suggests that black neoprene
fuel hose
| lasts way longer than the clear stuff, but I like to SEE that the
fuel is
| running up the hose to the carbs when I turn on the electric fuel
pump,
| before I hit the starter.
| Dennis Kirby
Hi Dennis/All:
What is the necessity of seeing the fuel in the line?
I quit using the "temporary" plastic stuff years ago. I use nothing
but premium grade Gates neoprene fuel line. Have no problem with it.
It seems to be best available for UV protection.
I have had plastic line, inside the fuselage out of the sunlight or
any light, last for several years. But, up top, it quickly
deteriorates.
Neoprene is cheap, locally purchased, last a long time, and probably
won't surprise you like the plastic stuff, by falling off the carb
when you get ready to fly.
If your airplane has been outside, your plastic line probably has UV
damage.
Take care,
john h (Still do not know why the UL parts folks push the plastic
stuff and not "real" fuel hose.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
From:
jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: replacing fuel line
Fuel Line - I ordered the Bing Blue alcohol resistant fuel line from
Aircraft Spruce. Cost is about 79 cents a foot. Note they sell some other
stuff, get the Bing fuel line. It's held up a couple years now just fine
and were in a metroplex area where they have to pump reformulated
stuff. There are some other brand blue stuff out there but it doesn't hold
up - shrinks and gets hard after a short time. Haven't had much better
luck with the Tygon stuff Lockwood sells. Does about the same thing but
takes a little longer. Very pleased with the Bing stuff. By the way it
has Bing stamped on it every foot or so.
jerb
>
>
>bbrocious asked: << Is there any "easy" way
>to slip the line over the various connections? >>
>
>Bob -
>
>Try a little spit on the connector. Fuel hose will slip right on.
>
>And speaking of fuel line - What's the recommended best-quality see-thru
>fuel line available? The original "tygo-thane" clear fuel line supplied
>with my Kolb has only been in use 2 years, and it's already deteriorating.
>I found cracks & splits in the hose in several places. And it's not UV
>damage, because my plane is always hangared. Is the blue fuel line any
>good?
>
>Advice I've collected from this List suggests that black neoprene fuel hose
>lasts way longer than the clear stuff, but I like to SEE that the fuel is
>running up the hose to the carbs when I turn on the electric fuel pump,
>before I hit the starter. That's how I discovered there were cracks in my
>fuel line - I could see that the gas was not pumping up hill.
>
>Appreciate any/all advice.
>
>Dennis Kirby
>Mark-3, Verner-1400, in
>New Mexico
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
From:
jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: replacing fuel line/Neoprene Over Plastic
John & All
At a UL safety seminar about 2 years ago the Pennzoil guy that spoke said
there can be a problem using auto fuel line in pre-mix applications - it
has something to due with the oil. According to him marine 2-stroke premix
applications use a different type hose that the oil doesn't break
down. Fire extinguisher ready....
jerb
>
> | Advice I've collected from this List suggests that black neoprene
>fuel hose
>| lasts way longer than the clear stuff, but I like to SEE that the
>fuel is
>| running up the hose to the carbs when I turn on the electric fuel
>pump,
>| before I hit the starter.
>
>| Dennis Kirby
>
>Hi Dennis/All:
>
>What is the necessity of seeing the fuel in the line?
>
>I quit using the "temporary" plastic stuff years ago. I use nothing
>but premium grade Gates neoprene fuel line. Have no problem with it.
>It seems to be best available for UV protection.
>
>I have had plastic line, inside the fuselage out of the sunlight or
>any light, last for several years. But, up top, it quickly
>deteriorates.
>
>Neoprene is cheap, locally purchased, last a long time, and probably
>won't surprise you like the plastic stuff, by falling off the carb
>when you get ready to fly.
>
>If your airplane has been outside, your plastic line probably has UV
>damage.
>
>Take care,
>
>john h (Still do not know why the UL parts folks push the plastic
>stuff and not "real" fuel hose.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
From:
jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: replacing fuel line
Howard,
Note if yours shows signs of shrinking most noticeable by connectors or if
it has gotten stiff.
jerb
>
>In a message dated 4/12/2004 5:27:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil writes:
>And speaking of fuel line - What's the recommended best-quality see-thru
>fuel line available? The original "tygo-thane" clear fuel line supplied
>with my Kolb has only been in use 2 years, and it's already deteriorating.
>I found cracks & splits in the hose in several places. And it's not UV
>damage, because my plane is always hangared. Is the blue fuel line any
>good?
>
>
>I got some from Mark Smith [on the Fly-UL list]. mark(at)trikite.com
>
>A little expensive, but doesn't seem to deterioate. It will turn a
>reddish-brown after a while; butyou can still see through it. It's heavy
>walled
>enough to use as pulse line. Mine's been on about 3 years.
>
>Howard Shackleford
>FS II
>SC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
From:
Jim Clayton <jspc78(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Homer Kolb and Monument Valley
Hi John/All
It would be great to see Homer as well as Bruce
Chesnut at MV. I am unable to make it out to Sun N
Fun this year, could you please pass on my regards to
Bruce, and everyone else at TNK: they would be most
welcome out at MV!
-Jim
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, 912ULS, Building
Hi Everyone:
I just got off the telephone with Homer Kolb.
Would also like to give Bruce Chesnut, owner of The
New Kolb Aircraft
Company a personal invite to attend.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: replacing fuel line/Neoprene Over Plastic
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
| At a UL safety seminar about 2 years ago the Pennzoil guy that
spoke said
| there can be a problem using auto fuel line in pre-mix
applications - it
| has something to due with the oil. | jerb
jerb/Gang:
That's not a problem for most of us now that do not premix.
If there is, in fact, a problem, marine grade neoprene fuel line is
available at any marine shop, marina, or marine mail order parts
houses. Usually, this hose has much thicker wall that does a better
job of making extremely sharp bends without crimping shut.
Another advantage of the neoprene over plastic is strength. Most
neoprene fuel hose has additional braid to increase strength.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject:
Neoprene fuel line versus clear plastic
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
> john h (Still do not know why the UL parts folks push the plastic
> stuff and not "real" fuel hose.
I do not claim to know the answer, but I have a theory. If your primer or
fuel pump is leaking, it might help to be able to spot the bubbles forming
in the line. No flame intended, just a-wonderin'.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Neoprene fuel line versus clear plastic
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
| I do not claim to know the answer, but I have a theory. If your
primer or
| fuel pump is leaking, it might help to be able to spot the bubbles
forming
| in the line. No flame intended, just a-wonderin'.
|
| -Ken Fackler
Hi Ken/Gang:
Seems I have had air in the lines since Ultrastar days and Cuyunas.
If air is entering the fuel line, why isn't fuel leaking back out when
the engine and fuel pump are shut down?
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject:
Re: Neoprene fuel line versus clear plastic
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
John Hauck wrote:
> If air is entering the fuel line, why isn't fuel leaking back out when
> the engine and fuel pump are shut down?
I dunno, maybe 'cause a fuel molecule is bigger than an air molecule?
Or like putting a whole in a straw, the air would leak IN and the fuel would
run DOWN the inside of the tube, away from the incoming air?
Shucks, this is way beyond me! But like I said, I didn't claim to have an
answer, just a theory. ;-)
-K
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Neoprene fuel line versus clear plastic
>
>
> | I do not claim to know the answer, but I have a theory. If your
> primer or
> | fuel pump is leaking, it might help to be able to spot the bubbles
> forming
> | in the line. No flame intended, just a-wonderin'.
> |
> | -Ken Fackler
>
> Hi Ken/Gang:
>
> Seems I have had air in the lines since Ultrastar days and Cuyunas.
>
> If air is entering the fuel line, why isn't fuel leaking back out when
> the engine and fuel pump are shut down?
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject:
Re: Transporting Mk3
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
>
> Hello all.
>
>
> I sold my MK3 and the new owner plans on renting a trailer to take it home
> in. I was going to call Kolb to find out what hardware I need to fold the
> wings and get their recommendation for transport; however, they are closed
> this week. The plane currently has fixed AN hardware, not the quick pins.
I
> have never folded the wings. Isn't there some sort of brace/holder that
goes
> over the tail boom and holds the wings? Any input will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Aaron
>
> Aaron,
The Mk 3 has the wing fold fitting built right into the Boom tube under the
front of the horizontal stabilizers. However, I would recommend removing the
wings completely for traveling.
This eliminates the need for a boom support that you must have with the
wings folded and it also makes the plane a lot easier to handle as a Mk-3
with the wings folded is EXTREAMLY heavy on the tail and hard to handle.
Removing the wings only requires removal of one additional bolt per wing and
allows for a much more securable aircraft when hauling.
Disconnect the aileron and flap push pull control rods, than support the
wing while taking off the lift strut, set the tip down on a pillow and
remove the main spar attatch bolt and the rear spar attatch bolt. Presto you
have a wing ready to stow.
Good luck on your future project and we are sorry to see you leaving
Kolbdom.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron(at)gamespeak.com>
Subject:
Transporting Mk3
Date:
Apr 12, 2004
Denny,
Thanks for the advice / info. I've loved my Mk3 and can easily see getting
another one sometime when I can afford more than one plane. The new owners
is looking into renting an enclosed trailer for the trip, do you have any
suggestions on how to best store/secure the wings (when off) and the plane
to best avoid shifting during a trailer ride? I hope the trailer has good
tie-down attachments build into the walls.
Aaron
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denny Rowe
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Transporting Mk3
>
> Hello all.
>
>
> I sold my MK3 and the new owner plans on renting a trailer to take it home
> in. I was going to call Kolb to find out what hardware I need to fold the
> wings and get their recommendation for transport; however, they are closed
> this week. The plane currently has fixed AN hardware, not the quick pins.
I
> have never folded the wings. Isn't there some sort of brace/holder that
goes
> over the tail boom and holds the wings? Any input will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Aaron
>
> Aaron,
The Mk 3 has the wing fold fitting built right into the Boom tube under the
front of the horizontal stabilizers. However, I would recommend removing the
wings completely for traveling.
This eliminates the need for a boom support that you must have with the
wings folded and it also makes the plane a lot easier to handle as a Mk-3
with the wings folded is EXTREAMLY heavy on the tail and hard to handle.
Removing the wings only requires removal of one additional bolt per wing and
allows for a much more securable aircraft when hauling.
Disconnect the aileron and flap push pull control rods, than support the
wing while taking off the lift strut, set the tip down on a pillow and
remove the main spar attatch bolt and the rear spar attatch bolt. Presto you
have a wing ready to stow.
Good luck on your future project and we are sorry to see you leaving
Kolbdom.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
________________________________________________________________________________
Yep, that is the same stuff I sell... has "B.A.I. Urethane" stamped on it as
in (Bing Agency International) and it comes direct from Bing. It works well
in most places, however, in Florida for some reason is does not seem to hold
up well. Why Florida? I don't know, but I don't think it's the UV because
I've seen in deteriorate inside open ended hangars where its always in the
shade.
Also, if it is exposed to certain chemicals that are found in some paint it
will deteriorate fast as well.
Other that those things, it seem to last years before needing replaced in
most cases.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation.
Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines
Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS
Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell......
(DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE IT.
USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of jerb
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: replacing fuel line
Fuel Line - I ordered the Bing Blue alcohol resistant fuel line from
Aircraft Spruce. Cost is about 79 cents a foot. Note they sell some other
stuff, get the Bing fuel line. It's held up a couple years now just fine
and were in a metroplex area where they have to pump reformulated
stuff. There are some other brand blue stuff out there but it doesn't hold
up - shrinks and gets hard after a short time. Haven't had much better
luck with the Tygon stuff Lockwood sells. Does about the same thing but
takes a little longer. Very pleased with the Bing stuff. By the way it
has Bing stamped on it every foot or so.
jerb
>
>
>bbrocious asked: << Is there any "easy" way
>to slip the line over the various connections? >>
>
>Bob -
>
>Try a little spit on the connector. Fuel hose will slip right on.
>
>And speaking of fuel line - What's the recommended best-quality see-thru
>fuel line available? The original "tygo-thane" clear fuel line supplied
>with my Kolb has only been in use 2 years, and it's already deteriorating.
>I found cracks & splits in the hose in several places. And it's not UV
>damage, because my plane is always hangared. Is the blue fuel line any
>good?
>
>Advice I've collected from this List suggests that black neoprene fuel hose
>lasts way longer than the clear stuff, but I like to SEE that the fuel is
>running up the hose to the carbs when I turn on the electric fuel pump,
>before I hit the starter. That's how I discovered there were cracks in my
>fuel line - I could see that the gas was not pumping up hill.
>
>Appreciate any/all advice.
>
>Dennis Kirby
>Mark-3, Verner-1400, in
>New Mexico
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Kolbers,
I have just purchased a Lincoln precision TIG 185 welder and are researching products and learning materials. I want to be able to TIG weld the tabs to my Kolbra fuselage for things like making removable floor panels and such.I thought I would share this site with you. www.tigdepot.com If any of you know of any more good sites please forward.Charley and I are going to take the EAA TIG workshop in June in Atlanta.
On another note, It has been subjected to me that I give the fuselage a good bath
in Phosphoric acid and then rinse with water and let dry the epoxy prime. I
have found one product called OSPHO by SKYCO. The directions say to apply let
dry 24 hrs then paint.
Any one ever use this? If not what brand did you use and where did you get it?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Timandjan(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 13, 2004
Subject:
Re: Tig
In a message dated 4/13/04 3:00:32 PM, lynnp@c-gate.net writes:
> Kolbers,
> I have just purchased a Lincoln precision TIG 185 welder and are researching
> products and learning materials. I want to be able to TIG weld the tabs to
> my Kolbra fuselage for things like making removable floor panels and such.I
> thought I would share this site with you. www.tigdepot.com If any of you know
> of any more good sites please forward.Charley and I are going to take the EAA
> TIG workshop in June in Atlanta.
> On another note, It has been subjected to me that I give the fuselage a good
> bath in Phosphoric acid and then rinse with water and let dry the epoxy
> prime. I have found one product called OSPHO by SKYCO. The directions say to
> apply let dry 24 hrs then paint.
> Any one ever use this? If not what brand did you use and where did you get
> it?
>
> Paul Petty
>
I used a acid wash/prep for all the metal before painting, they make one for
metal and for aluminum, deluted differently for each application. Any good
auto paint supply store will have it. Basically you use the acid with scotch
brite pads and scrub all the pieces before priming, maked the metal shine and
squeaky clean before painting. watch the finger prints after cleaning and before
painting.
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject:
Re: Transporting Mk3
Date:
Apr 13, 2004
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Hollingsworth" <aaron(at)gamespeak.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Transporting Mk3
>
> Denny,
>
> Thanks for the advice / info. I've loved my Mk3 and can easily see getting
> another one sometime when I can afford more than one plane. The new owners
> is looking into renting an enclosed trailer for the trip, do you have any
> suggestions on how to best store/secure the wings (when off) and the plane
> to best avoid shifting during a trailer ride? I hope the trailer has good
> tie-down attachments build into the walls.
>
> Aaron
>
> Aaron,
Richard Pike pretty much covered the bases on trailer hauling.
Stand each wing up against each trailer wall with the leading edge down on
top of padding and strap em tight to the walls, screw chocks to the floor
around all three wheels and strap it down as tight as you can.
Good luck buddy, and let us know how it goes.
Denny Rowe
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Guy Morgan" <morganguy(at)hotmail.com>
Subject:
Re: Tig
Date:
Apr 13, 2004
Howdy Folks,
There's a couple of other chemical conversion coating products you should use after
the acid etching process and before painting. One is Alodyne (sp?)and the
other is Steel-Prep. I don't know the manufacturer off the top of my head. Should
be easy to find, though. Alumi-Prep is the etching product they make. We
operate helicopters in thesouth Texas Gulf of Mexico environment where fighting
corrosion is a never ending battle and have had great success with both. On
metal that's been painted without being treated, the paint will peel and bubble
from pitting within a year, usually sooner, especially on the edges and around
bolt/rivet holes. Most of the parts I've painted, after treating properly,
last well beyond this. It's well worth the money and effort IMHO because I really
dislike repairing/replacing parts because of corrosion.
Guy Morgan (Galveston, TX Kolber wanna be)
Kolbers,
On another note, It has been subjected to me that I give the fuselage a good
bath in Phosphoric acid and then rinse with water and let dry the epoxy
prime. I have found one product called OSPHO by SKYCO. The directions say to
apply let dry 24 hrs then paint.
Any one ever use this? If not what brand did you use and where did you get
it?
Paul Petty
I used a acid wash/prep for all the metal before painting, they make one for
metal and for aluminum, deluted differently for each application. Any good
auto paint supply store will have it. Basically you use the acid with scotch
brite pads and scrub all the pieces before priming, maked the metal shine and
squeaky clean before painting. watch the finger prints after cleaning and before
painting.
Tim
Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more!
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 13, 2004
From:
Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject:
Re: Tig
I used Stits Aluma-Dyne phosphoric acid, & as soon as I rinsed it off, my
wife and I started drying the fuselage off immediately with towels and then
two hair dryers and immediately got it in the garage to keep it from
surface rusting. We used fine steel wool to clean the tubing, and the acid
ate our hands up. (Of course the fine metal snags from the welds cut the
rubber gloves up immediately, and then cut our fingertips, helping the etch
to sting SO much better!)
Anyway, as soon as it was good and dry we started painting it with Randolph
epoxy primer, we didn't wait more than a hour and a half. Randolph sells a
similar phosphoric acid metal treatment, and they say to paint within 24
hours so that rust doesn't have a chance to get started.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>Kolbers,
>I have just purchased a Lincoln precision TIG 185 welder and are
>researching products and learning materials. I want to be able to TIG weld
>the tabs to my Kolbra fuselage for things like making removable floor
>panels and such.I thought I would share this site with you.
>www.tigdepot.com If any of you know of any more good sites please
>forward.Charley and I are going to take the EAA TIG workshop in June in
>Atlanta.
>On another note, It has been subjected to me that I give the fuselage a
>good bath in Phosphoric acid and then rinse with water and let dry the
>epoxy prime. I have found one product called OSPHO by SKYCO. The
>directions say to apply let dry 24 hrs then paint.
>Any one ever use this? If not what brand did you use and where did you get it?
>
>Paul Petty
>Building Ms. Dixie
>Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Cooley" <johnc(at)datasync.com>
Subject:
Tig
Date:
Apr 13, 2004
Hi Paul/Gang,
Here's a link
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/welded/articles.htmlat
to the EAA sight that gives the particulars on what filler material to
use, tungsten size, welding procedures etc. Check out the welding
articles toward the bottom of the list. Also the tigdepot sight you
mentioned is one of the best I've found.
I bought all my stuff at the local Airgas Supply company and the prices
are much better than the online prices I've seen, especially the
ER80S-D2 filler material. If memory serves me correctly I got 10 pounds
of material for 33 bucks or so.
Later,
John Cooley
SNIP
>>>>Thanks Guys Any name brands or suppliers would be helpful...
>>>>Paul Petty
>>>>Building Ms. Dixie
>>>>Kolbra/912UL/Warp
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 13, 2004
From:
Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject:
Correction -Scotch Brite
Correction - we didn't use steel wool, it was Scotch Brite pads.
Richard Pike
>
>I used Stits Aluma-Dyne phosphoric acid, & as soon as I rinsed it off, my
>wife and I started drying the fuselage off immediately with towels and then
>two hair dryers and immediately got it in the garage to keep it from
>surface rusting. We used fine steel wool to clean the tubing,
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"James and Cathy Tripp" <jtripp(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Tig
Date:
Apr 13, 2004
> On another note, It has been subjected to me that I give the fuselage a
good bath in Phosphoric acid and then rinse with water and let dry the epoxy
prime. I have found one product called OSPHO by SKYCO. The directions say to
apply let dry 24 hrs then paint.
> Any one ever use this? If not what brand did you use and where did you get
it?
> _-
Paul,
I went over the entire fuselage cage looking for those little weld bumps and
used a grinder to grind them off. Then I used Henkel Metalprep 79 that I got
from AS (1 quart is plenty) to acid wash it. I also used scotch brite pads,
like Richard mentioned, to really scrub it down. Make sure you use latex
gloves to protect your hands and also protect the parts you just scrubed. It
took me about 5 hours of scrubing to get the job done. By the time I
finished, I could already see a slight yellow rust tinge appearing. You'll
want to get the cage dried off ASAP and then shoot the primer. With the
humidity down here in Alabama and Mississippi, you won't be able to wait
until another day. If I had to do it again, I would gladly pay for the
powder coating.
For the aluminum boom tube, all I used was Polyfiber Aluma-Dyne E-2300. I
still have most of the quart left over.
James Tripp
FS II, Final Assembly
========================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Anybody want a cabin heater for a Mkiii?
From:
Jim Gerken <gerken(at)us.ibm.com>
Date:
Apr 14, 2004
04/14/2004 03:07:03 PM
Is there any interest in a cabin heater for a MkIII? I would sell it for
fifty dollars, just to see it fly again (and get it off my bench). I made
it for my '97 Mkiii, it fits in the nose ahead of the rudder pedals, works
off 12 volts and uses hot water from the cooling system. Basically it is a
small motocross motorcycle radiator mated to a blower with ductwork. I
don't remember what it weighs but will venture a guess of 12-13 pounds
total (can get actual if wanted, but that's surely within a couple pounds).
The radiator is aluminum, the homebuilt ductwork is aluminum, the blower is
from a small car, so its a little heavier than it could have been with a
plastic blower or something. The blower has two speeds, and "off" of
course. It will fit in the nose of the stock Mkiii, although its a tight
fit getting it in and out. The rudder pedal spring return rod actually
goes through this heater assembly (so the rod works as Kolb designed it).
It used to blow on my feet and keep me warm with just a light jacket and no
gloves, down to about 35-40 degrees. 35-40 degrees was about where the 582
engine would stop producing enough heat to be useable. With the blower
off, there is no noticable heat output so summer time it does not need to
be valved out of the system. Exactly how you plumb it into your cooling
system would be up to you to engineer. It was in good working condition
and held 13 psi when I pulled it out to install an aircooled engine (BMW)
instead of the liquid cooled rotax 582. I used it for three winters and
was very pleased with the result. Includes enough 1/2" heater hose
(insulated!!!) to make the run from the nose cone to the engine.
First serious responder takes it for fifty plus actual shipping. USA or
Canada shipping only, sorry.
Jim Gerken
Minnesota USA
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 15, 2004
From:
Bob Bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject:
Re: Epoxy Primer
Richard Pike wrote:
>
>Were you spraying it? I brushed mine, & 1/2 gallon would be more than
>plenty,
>
>Richard Pike
>
>
Agreed......spraying all those little tubes might use about 800 times as
much paint
as brushing. I tried SEM self-etching primer in the spray can, outrageously
expensive and not very good stuff. (tried it on a car repair).
Once again though, on my steel airframe tubing I used Rustoleum satin
outdoor furniture paint in spray cans. Very durable, rust-resistant, the
spruce
green "looks like" green chromate. Since I did a lot of structural
repairs and
mods on my used/bent cage and several added tabs it was handy to just
wire brush a newly welded area and give it a touchup shot.
-And YES, I had zero problems gluing directly over it with polytac, after
giving it a reasonable hardening period. -BB
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"bryan green" <lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com>
Subject:
road trip
Date:
Apr 15, 2004
I will be in Alpharetta Ga. next week at a training school (work related) are there
any Kolb builders or drivers in this town I could visit one afternoon?
Bryan Green Elgin SC
Firestar I 19LBG 377 BRS
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Steven Green" <kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject:
Re: Houston we have a problem
Date:
Apr 15, 2004
Paul,
When you riveted your ribs to the main spar did you start at one rivet and
go around the spar or did you go both directions from the first rivet? I
would think the problem is in the rib attachment rather than the trailing
edge material. It would be possible to create the bow you are describing by
riveting the ribs to the main spar with a forward rotation of riveting.
(starting at the top then down the front, under the bottom then up the back
of the spar)
I hope this is not too confusing.... At least I think I know what I am
trying to say.
Steven
________________________________________________________________________________
When you riveted your ribs to the main spar did you start at one rivet and
go around the spar or did you go both directions from the first rivet?
Steven,
Yes just like plans call for. One rivet in the center on each rib flange all the
way down. Then one on the opposite side then one above and one below all the
way down. Kinda like a torque sequence.This is one area of the plans that is
very clear and explains about what not doing this will do. I guess that some warp
is inherent. But I agree with Bro Pike, a level table would be better but
harder to work on. Perhaps a sturdy 2"x 6" length wise at the TE so one could
strap the TE down and keep it straight would be a good idea?
Paul Petty
Building Ms. Dixie
Kolbra/912UL/Warp
www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject:
Re: rivet pattern
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
If you were to use a 2x6 for that, you'd want to make very sure that it's
absolutely straight and true. From what I've seen in the lumberyards, I
think it'd be very difficult to find such a critter, and even more difficult
to keep it that way. I used the bench, (see my website) and was happy with
it...............others swear by the 'horses. Glad you got it worked out.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: rivet pattern
>
> When you riveted your ribs to the main spar did you start at one rivet and
> go around the spar or did you go both directions from the first rivet?
>
> Steven,
> Yes just like plans call for. One rivet in the center on each rib flange
all the way down. Then one on the opposite side then one above and one below
all the way down. Kinda like a torque sequence.This is one area of the plans
that is very clear and explains about what not doing this will do. I guess
that some warp is inherent. But I agree with Bro Pike, a level table would
be better but harder to work on. Perhaps a sturdy 2"x 6" length wise at the
TE so one could strap the TE down and keep it straight would be a good idea?
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
> www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"James, Ken" <KDJames(at)berkscareer.com>
Subject:
rivet pattern
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
I'm using the a 2x4 that was run through a planer several times until it was
perfectly flat, both sides (top edge bottom edge) then I leveled it to the
work deck and clamped it down ( if you don't have a planer give your local
Vo-tech a call )
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Bourne [mailto:biglar(at)gogittum.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rivet pattern
If you were to use a 2x6 for that, you'd want to make very sure that it's
absolutely straight and true. From what I've seen in the lumberyards, I
think it'd be very difficult to find such a critter, and even more difficult
to keep it that way. I used the bench, (see my website) and was happy with
it...............others swear by the 'horses. Glad you got it worked out.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <lynnp@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: rivet pattern
>
> When you riveted your ribs to the main spar did you start at one rivet and
> go around the spar or did you go both directions from the first rivet?
>
> Steven,
> Yes just like plans call for. One rivet in the center on each rib flange
all the way down. Then one on the opposite side then one above and one below
all the way down. Kinda like a torque sequence.This is one area of the plans
that is very clear and explains about what not doing this will do. I guess
that some warp is inherent. But I agree with Bro Pike, a level table would
be better but harder to work on. Perhaps a sturdy 2"x 6" length wise at the
TE so one could strap the TE down and keep it straight would be a good idea?
>
> Paul Petty
> Building Ms. Dixie
> Kolbra/912UL/Warp
> www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
From:
Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject:
Sawhorses/table
Yes and no. When I built the wings for the J-6, (traditional wood truss
ribs with spruce board front and rear spars) I used sawhorses. When I built
the MKIII, I used a long table made by using two old interior doors 30"
wide, joined end to end and screwed down atop a long narrow table that was
24" wide x 12' long. I had lag bolts screwed into the bottom end of the
table legs, and could true the table by taking a wrench and screwing the
bolts in or out. I really liked it because building tail feathers or
ailerons, I could lay out the parts full size on the table. Bought a roll
of masking paper, (You will used that when you paint Kolb) and laid out and
taped it down on the table, drew the parts full size. Used screws through
little wood blocks right into the table (interior plywood doors) to hold
the tubing in place. For the next part, rip the paper off and layout fresh.
Stored all the unused tubing in racks under the table, all the other parts
on a plywood shelf along the bottom of the table.
IMHO, the utility lost by not being able to get under a part, as when using
sawhorses, was more than made up for by the utility gained everywhere else.
Especially when a table makes a good place to set the butter tubs that hold
the rivets, the rivet gun, the drill, the pencil, the ruler,.... etc.
And after I finished the project, I sold it for $50 to another builder!
But it really doesn't matter that much, as long as the parts fit is all
that counts.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>But I agree with Bro Pike, a level table would be better but harder to
>work on.
>Paul Petty
>Building Ms. Dixie
>Kolbra/912UL/Warp
>www.c-gate.net/~ppetty
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Paul, I made the decision to use a bench, for a couple of reasons...
1..I have built other wings before, and I always made a "wing table"
..so...old habit...
2. useing sawhorses would not allow me to have all kinds of tool right close
at hand...a sack or a bowl of rivets...can of clecos..debur...various
marking pens...tape meas..square...huck gun and rivet pullers, ....cup a
coffee and a BFH......you know all the various stuff that a fella likes to
have at arms reach...with a the horse method...I could not figure out how I
could just have all the stuff close enough to me to expidite the building
time.even in a roll around cart. PLus, I like to have the blueprint very
close to my work,,,you know....cause I generally look at a dimension about 6
times on a print before I get the nerve to drill a hole!!!! Having that
print over on the other side of the room would have made me wear out a pair
of shoes just checking it all the time.!
saving even 1 or 2 footsteps per rib, or even an extended arm reach in a
repetitive building pattern can save an awful lot of time, and having to
walk over to the "other spot": where the tools are, or the sack of
rivets....bending down because they are on the floor....all this stuff I
could picture me doing if I used a set of horses kinda made be decide to not
try that method...
next would be the reason inspired by "that troublesome tube"...
That is the length of tubing that have a little bit of a sway in it....if on
a table...it is easy to clamp down on both ends...shim ...pull, or push
against the tabletop to get the precise alignment I demand....suspended out
in mid air....well, I just dont know how to .
I suppose if someone taught me, or I had used the saw horse method
before....I might have considered it...but...I would be hard to convince!
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject:
Firestar Performance at High Density Altitude
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
Hi, everyone,
I live in Boulder, Colorado, and am thinking of getting a Firestar II with
the 503. What sort of take-off performance and climb rate should I expect up
here in the summer, with two of us aboard? How about if I were solo?
Please either reply to the forum or to me at
dpaule(at)frii.com
Many thanks -
Dave Paule
(303) 499-7048
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
From:
Jimmy <jhankin(at)planters.net>
Subject:
Bing 54 Carborator
Does anyone out there is Kolb Land have an old Bing 54 carburetor for parts. I
need the top cover plate with the enricher, with the two screws and the two rubber
boots.
Also need the o-ring (831-450)
Jimmy Hankinson
912-863-7384
Rocky Ford, Ga. 30455
jhankin(at)planters.net
Kolb Firefly/447/275hrs
Local field, Pegasus/2000/Grass
Airport JYL/Sylvania, Ga.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
SR3SA2L1(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
Subject:
Re: unsubscribe
Dear Sirs,
Please cancel me from the Kolb, ultralight, aeroelectric and engine lists (I
think that is all I have subscribed to but if I am on any other lists, please
cancel those too.
Thank you, I have enjoyed them.
Steve Roby
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Judy or Larry Gitt" <gittj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
worst virus ever
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
--- Judy or Larry Gitt
--- gittj(at)earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Beckman, Jill N.
Subject: FW: worst virus ever
More warnings.
WORST VIRUS EVER ---CNN ANNOUNCED
PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE ON YOUR CONTACT LIST !!
A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by Microsoft as the
most destructive ever This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by McAfee
and no vaccine has yet ! been developed. This virus simply destroys Sector
Zero from the hard disk, where vital information for its functioning are stored.
This virus acts in the following manner:
It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the title "A Card
for You".
As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened the computer freezes so that the
user has to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset button are pressed,
the virus destroys Sector Zero, thus permanently destroying the hard disk.
Yesterday in just a few hours this virus caused panic in New York, according to
news broadcast by CNN. This alert was received by an employee of Microsoft itself.
So don't open any mails with subject: "A Virtual Card for You." As soon as you
get the mail, delete it!! Even if you know the sender !!!
Please pass this mail to all of your friends.
Forward this to everyone in your address book. I'm sure most people, like myself,
would rather receive this notice 25 times than not at all.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
From:
Jim Clayton <jspc78(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Hoax: worst virus ever
This is a hoax. For details go to:
http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/card.htm
www.snopes.com is an interesting and informative
website about hoaxes, urban legends, and other
artifacts of the modern internet age. I always check
there whenever some tells me the sky is falling :-)
-Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
From:
jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: worst virus ever
Check this link out. You with good intentions have been sucked into
another hoax letter. Do a search of hoax destroys hard drive sector zero
or click on the link below.
jerb
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=hoax+destroys+hard+drive+sector+zero
>
>
>--- Judy or Larry Gitt
>--- gittj(at)earthlink.net
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Beckman, Jill N.
>To:
>Subject: FW: worst virus ever
>
>
>More warnings.
>
>WORST VIRUS EVER ---CNN ANNOUNCED
>
>PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE ON YOUR CONTACT LIST !!
>A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by Microsoft
>as the most destructive ever This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon
>by McAfee and no vaccine has yet ! been developed. This virus simply
>destroys Sector Zero from the hard disk, where vital information for its
>functioning are stored.
>
>This virus acts in the following manner:
>It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the title
>"A Card for You".
>
>As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened the computer freezes so
>that the user has to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset
>button are pressed, the virus destroys Sector Zero, thus permanently
>destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just a few hours this virus caused
>panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN. This alert was
>received by an employee of Microsoft itself.
>
>So don't open any mails with subject: "A Virtual Card for You." As soon as
>you get the mail, delete it!! Even if you know the sender !!!
>
>Please pass this mail to all of your friends.
>
>Forward this to everyone in your address book. I'm sure most people, like
>myself, would rather receive this notice 25 times than not at all.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject:
Re: worst virus ever
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
Kolbers,
I wish Matronics had a hoax sniffer built in! Until it does, I guess we're
stuck
with folks like this. ;
(
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy or Larry Gitt" <gittj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: worst virus ever
>
>
> --- Judy or Larry Gitt
> --- gittj(at)earthlink.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Beckman, Jill N.
> To:
> Subject: FW: worst virus ever
>
>
> More warnings.
>
> WORST VIRUS EVER ---CNN ANNOUNCED
>
> PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE ON YOUR CONTACT LIST !!
> A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by Microsoft as
the most
destructive ever This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by McAfee and no
vaccine
has yet ! been developed. This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the hard
disk, where
vital information for its functioning are stored.
>
> This virus acts in the following manner:
> It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the title "A
Card for
You".
>
> As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened the computer freezes so that the
user has
to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset button are pressed, the virus
destroys
Sector Zero, thus permanently destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just a few
hours this
virus caused panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN. This alert
was
received by an employee of Microsoft itself.
>
> So don't open any mails with subject: "A Virtual Card for You." As soon as you
get the
mail, delete it!! Even if you know the sender !!!
>
> Please pass this mail to all of your friends.
>
> Forward this to everyone in your address book. I'm sure most people, like myself,
would
rather receive this notice 25 times than not at all.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject:
Re: worst virus ever
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
> Please do not use the Lists to decemenate information about computer
> viruses.
Matt, that's 'dissemenate'. ;
)
Ed in JXN
Official Kolb-List Spell-Checker Emeritus
MkII/503
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel(at)kfalls.net>
Subject:
Re: : Kolb-List:makrolon polycarbonate?
Date:
Apr 16, 2004
Hi,
Trying to find some reasonable lexan. Am checking with a company called
Harbor sales
http://www.harborsales.net/index.cfm
and they list Makrolon Polycarbonate, and it is pretty reasonable. In fact
so reasonable that I am wondering if it is the stuff that I need for a new
windshield. I know that Lexan is a brand name, but the makrolon throws me.
Help!
Larry, Klamath Falls
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
HShack(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 17, 2004
Subject:
Fwd: Trenton Flyers Fly In, Trenton, SC
name(at)matronics.com, description(at)matronics.com, ----(at)matronics.com,
----------------------@matronics.com,--------------------------------------------------@matronics.com
Anything that flies, you are welcome.
Club Name is : Trenton Flyers
Contact : Chuck Reinert
Phone : 803-275-2727
E-Mail : Kolbfirestar(at)cs.com
WEB address www.Trentonflyers.com
Name Of Event : Trenton Fly- In
Date : Saturday June 19th 2004 with a cook-out Friday night
The town of Trenton will also have their Peach Fest Saturday June 19
Airfield name : Edgefield Co. Airport 6J6
Location: 1 miles SE of TRENTON , SC N 33-44-21 , W 081-49-17.Usage
Information: Runway 11-29 2,640 x175 and 15-33 1584 x 145 both are turf
Com Freq. 122.9
Trenton, SC
Howard Shackleford
SC
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
From: KolbFirestar(at)cs.com
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:48:18 EDT
Subject: Trenton Flyers Fly In
Club Name is : Trenton Flyers
Contact : Chuck Reinert
Phone : 803-275-2727
E-Mail : Kolbfirestar(at)cs.com
WEB address www.Trentonflyers.com
Name Of Event : Trenton Fly- In
Date : Saturday June 19th 2004 with a cook-out Friday night
The town of Trenton will also have their Peach Fest Saturday June 19
Airfield name : Edgefield Co. Airport 6J6
Location: 1 miles SE of TRENTON , SC N 33-44-21 ,=A0=A0 W 081-49-17.Usage
Information: Runway 11-29 2,640 x175 and 15-33 1584 x 145 both are turf
Com Freq. 122.9
Trenton, SC
Club Name is : Trenton Flyers
Contact : Chuck Reinert
Phone : 803-275-2727
E-Mail : Kolbfirestar(at)cs.com
WEB address www.Trentonflyers.com
Name Of Event : Trenton Fly- In
Date : Saturday June 19th 2004 with a cook-out Friday night
The town of Trenton will also have their Peach Fest Saturday June 19
Airfield name : Edgefield Co. Airport 6J6
Location: 1 miles SE of TRENTON , SC N 33-44-21 ,=A0=A0 W=20081-49-17.Usage Information:
Runway 11-29 2,640 x175 and 15-33 1584 x 145 both are turf
Com Freq. 122.9
Trenton, SC
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 17, 2004
From:
jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: worst virus ever
Come on Ed, you being pretty hard on the guy.
He's only posted about 10 times since December. He tried to do something
good. The key to pick up one was the send to everyone you know. That made
me immediately check for Hoax and sure enough it was. And now back to Kolbs.
jerb
>
>
>Kolbers,
>
> I wish Matronics had a hoax sniffer built in! Until it does, I
> guess we're stuck
>with folks like this. ;
>(
>
>Ed in JXN
>MkII/503
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Judy or Larry Gitt" <gittj(at)earthlink.net>
>To: "Judy Gitt"
>Subject: Kolb-List: worst virus ever
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- Judy or Larry Gitt
> > --- gittj(at)earthlink.net
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Beckman, Jill N.
> > To:
> > Subject: FW: worst virus ever
> >
> >
> > More warnings.
> >
> > WORST VIRUS EVER ---CNN ANNOUNCED
> >
> > PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE ON YOUR CONTACT LIST !!
> > A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by
> Microsoft as the most
>destructive ever This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by McAfee
>and no vaccine
>has yet ! been developed. This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the
>hard disk, where
>vital information for its functioning are stored.
> >
> > This virus acts in the following manner:
> > It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the
> title "A Card for
>You".
> >
> > As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened the computer freezes so
> that the user has
>to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the reset button are pressed, the
>virus destroys
>Sector Zero, thus permanently destroying the hard disk. Yesterday in just
>a few hours this
>virus caused panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN. This
>alert was
>received by an employee of Microsoft itself.
> >
> > So don't open any mails with subject: "A Virtual Card for You." As soon
> as you get the
>mail, delete it!! Even if you know the sender !!!
> >
> > Please pass this mail to all of your friends.
> >
> > Forward this to everyone in your address book. I'm sure most people,
> like myself, would
>rather receive this notice 25 times than not at all.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject:
Spellcheck/virus
Date:
Apr 17, 2004
Listers,
I apologize if any of my most recent posts have offended anyone or caused
discomfiture in their nether regions, increased the hole in the ozone layer, etc..
Just having some fun on spellin', and tired of the do-good noobs crying wolf on
viruses.
(I'm not the only one.)
I will try to be more somber in the future. ;
) Promise.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Kirk Smith" <snuffy(at)usol.com>
Subject:
Re: Johns visit
Date:
Apr 18, 2004
John W & John H, did you guys
> fly together in Nam. I just read a couple books about helicopter units
> over there and thought maybe you were in those units.
> jerb
I think they were. Of course they all looked alike from the ground with
their helmets and everything on.
DNA
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Judy or Larry Gitt" <gittj(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Date:
Apr 18, 2004
Sorry Guys That was my Wife that sent it out and of course she scents it to
everybody that we have on the address book . sorry
--- Judy or Larry Gitt
--- gittj(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
<gde01(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject:
Sun'nFun 2004
Date:
Apr 18, 2004
Thanks for the photos.. I am green.
Giovanni Day
DNA
________________________________________________________________________________
Other than Aircraft Spruce ($$$) and Lockwood ($$), anybody have any good
sources for AN bolts and hardware with reasonable prices. Last year at Sun
& Fun last year I was stunned to see my Florida source for rivets and AN
hardware having a going out of business clearance sale. I'm looking for
another outlet that stocks most common sizes and provides decent prices
when purchased in lots of 10 or more. B&B isn't bad but they don't always
have what you need.
jerb
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
New Landing gear
Date:
Apr 19, 2004
From:
"Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net>
John Willamson set a picture showing a new landing gear for an Extra.
Does anyone know if this was a builder's modification or is it a new
option from the factory?
Rex Rodebush
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Parker" <parker910(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Local Kolb owners
Date:
Apr 19, 2004
Hello ,
I was real impressed with the Kolb Firestar 2 with the 503 in it, at sun n fun.
And I am now all set to buy a good used one..
I need to do the very last thing now and go ride in a Kolb two seater with a 503
in it for a few touch and goes. So if any one here would be interested in
selling me 45 minutes of dual time or tell me where I can go I would certainly
appreciate it.
I live in Chattanooga Tn and can drive to Nashville , East TN , Macon ,Atlanta
Birmingham / Montgomery Al
I'm with in about two months of finishing up a frame up restoration on my Champ
7EC so I prefer not to start another project or kit for a good while.
.
Regards
John Parker
Chattanooga, TN.
parker910(at)comcast.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: replacing fuel line and UV
Date:
Apr 19, 2004
I don't know, but I don't think it's the UV because
| I've seen in deteriorate inside open ended hangars where its always
in the
| shade.
| Tom Olenik
Tom/Gang:
UV is reflective. Reflective UV also causes the damage. One of the
reasons we not only use a UV block on the top, but also bottom and
sides of fabric aircraft.
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Sail repair tape
Date:
Apr 19, 2004
Greetings All,
I bought some Dacron Sail Repair tape at the California Power Systems display at
Lakeland. It is 2 inches wide, has a rip stop reinforcement and is translucent.
It is very thin but I could not tear it by hand. It was ~$6 for 50 feet. I
tried a test strip on my refrigerator door (non-porous, irregular surface) for
about 24 hrs. It bonded very well. I plan to use it for my wing gap seals.
Has anyone else out there tried this stuff?
Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, Mark III/912
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Sun and Fun 2004
Date:
Apr 20, 2004
Morning Gang:
Returned to Gantt International Airport yesterday afternoon after an
interesting flight from Lakeland, Florida.
Was blessed with perfect flying weather. Winds were in my favor.
After topping off with fuel, we pushed Miss P'fer from the Kolb
display area out to the gate so I could crank and taxi back to the
Ultralight Aircraft Park/Camp where I had my tent. Got in the MKIII,
reached for the master switch and it was already on. Some time after
I had left for the night, the master had been pushed up into the on
position. The four year old ATP battery was dead as a door nail.
Vernon Peckam, the "mouth" of Paradise City, had one of those neat
little start boxes which barely turned over the 912S, but to my
surprise, started the 912S. I had to shut down to load the aircraft
and go through the same drill once again. Shortly after takeoff, the
regulator/rectifier dropped the alternator and I was entirely without
electrical power. Once this happens with a completely dead battery,
the alternator will not come back on line until it is fed enough DC
voltage to get back on line again.
This is what it looks like when my MKIII loses all DC power:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Sun%20and%20Fun%202004/DSCF0063_resize.JPG
Top row of gauges, left to right, are lost:
1. Hour meter
2. Volt Meter
3. CHT
4. Oil Temp
5. Oil Press
6. Clock
Second row of gauges lost:
1. Tachometer
Notice, all the switches on the bottom right are in the off position.
The intercom was lost. I use this, when solo, primarily for "side
tone" for the little ICOM handheld. No problem here.
The ICOM was operated off its own battery.
The GPS operated on its own batteries, 4 AA's.
I also lost my fuel boost pump, nav/strobe lights, and landing light.
Seems I am always learning new things, and this flight taught me a few
things. The four rechargeable AA batteries in the Fuji digital camera
I recently purchased, readily replace the four AA batteries in the
GPS. However, I did not have to replace the GPS batteries during the
flight.
My other primary problem was fuel. I would have to take on 5 gals of
fuel before I landed at Gantt IAP. I would have to land somewhere
where I could get a jump start if I shut down the engine. I decided
to land at Headland, Alabama. There was no one on the field, but they
had an automated fuel pump. I was in luck. I made my first "hot
refuel" since VN in 1970.
When I landed at Gantt IAP, I still had that 5 gal of 100LL I took on
at Headland, or did I have all of it. It was so close, I do not know.
I am glad I was able to refuel though.
I cranked the 912S at Lakeland and shut it down at home. She ran like
always. Thank God I did not lose it during the time she was idling
while refueling.
This pic was just SW of Cross City Airport, Florida.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Sun%20and%20Fun%202004/DSCF0060_resize.JPG
The rest of my pics are at:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/Sun%20and%20Fun%202004/
Without instruments, we still had a good flight.
Flight from Lakeland to home:
428.1 sm
87.6 mph average speed
107.6 mph max speed
0.6 hours stopped time
4.8 hours flight time
4.7 gph (Fuel burn was reduced by the 0.6 hour idling time.)
Had a good time at Lakeland. One of the best out of the 21
consecutive times I have been down there.
Met some fine folks from all over the US and the rest of the World.
Renewed aquaintences with others. We are mighty lucky people, in the
US, to be able to enjoy our freedom of flight as we now have it. I am
forever grateful.
I'll try to put some captions with some of the other pics I took at
S&F when time allows.
Take care,
john h
PS: I think this one may need to go into the archives. Although not
recommended, it does illustrate that one can still fly a 912S powered
MKIII on a semi-long cross country flight with relative safety.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"rwash" <rwash(at)copper.net>
Subject:
Re: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 11/23/03
Date:
Apr 20, 2004
Hello List,
Due to my husband's passing, I'm offering his KXP Firestar for sale. It
has a loaded
panel with a 503 DCDI, brakes, partial enclosed, electric start, electric
trim, wingtip & belly strobes [wingtip double flash], chute, 113 TT, always
hangered, pristine condition, yellow & maroon. Asking 10,900. If interested
I will email you pictures. He built this plane over a 2 1/2 yr period with
extra care & using all butted joints with gussets. Located in North Central
Ohio.
Sharon Washburn
rwash(at)copper.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
sail repair tape
From:
Erich_Weaver(at)URSCorp.com
Date:
Apr 20, 2004
04/20/2004 11:51:15 AM
My original gap seals came unglued in some places and I have progressively
replaced it with the sail repair tape. Very easy and effective - also good
for immediate field repair of puncture wounds - like when I folded a wing
back against a prop blade. The down side is that dirt and scum stick to
the edge of the tape making it more noticeable. This is really not much of
a factor in the hard to see gap seal areas, but it is more apparent on
other repair areas.
regards,
Erich Weaver
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Subject:
Re: Sail repair tape
Date:
Apr 20, 2004
<< Has anyone else out there tried this stuff? >>
Duane, and All,
This topic was discussed a few years ago, and the consensus then was: Sail
repair tap is an excellent choice for gap seals, for all the reasons you
stated (flexible, durable, easy to replace). I wonder if 2-inch wide tape
is sufficient, though - I used 3-inch wide bookbinding tape, and it seemed
barely wide enough to do the job. Let us know how it works out ...
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner-1400
Cedar Crest, NM
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Measurement
Date:
Apr 20, 2004
| Mine is thirteen inches at the tip.
|
| AzDave
AZDave/Ya'll:
Mine's around 10", but I have trouble following instructions. I could
probably have gotten away with 8 or 9" at the outboard cord, but the
decision to reduce the cord of the aileron was experimental, and I did
not know how narrow was going to be too narrow.
I had a good feeling, after flying the factory MKIII for a while, that
there was a lot more cord than I needed. Emphasis on "I". So far I
have never hit the stop with aileron control in some lousy conditions.
What I did was, lay the aileron and flap plans out on my work bench in
the standard dimensions. Then chopped 3 or so inches off the outboard
cord. Popped a chalk line from that point to the widest point of the
flap on the inboard end. This way I cut the maximum cord off the
aileron and the minimum off the flap. I did not want to degrade the
performance of the flaps by making them smaller.
I emphasize, I did this for my experience and requirements and no one
else's. I also do not advise anyone else to make these changes,
although I have thoroughly enjoyed them for the last 1,982.6 hours.
I must say that I have hit the aileron stops on the Fire Fly landing
at the Sun and Fun Ultralight Airstrip a few years ago in some
seriously turbulent air.
BTW: The factory Fire Fly, stars and bars, sold to a 92 year old
younster. I had the opportunity to spend some quality time with this
gentleman with an abundance of knowledge and experience. He was a
class act.
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 20, 2004
From:
"Bob N." <ronoy(at)shentel.net>
Subject:
Re: Sun and Fun 2004
Friend John H.
I wuz lookin' at your dash board, and mosta them clocks seem to say
Snooze. You needed an Emerg Pwr Source like I wrote abt in Aviation
Digest. Here's my Shade Tree Mechanic column from 6/01:
The Shade Tree Mechanic
Several years ago in the old AvDigest I wrote about an IFR life-saver.
No, thats probably not quite right. What I aimed to say was that this
thing might give you a better chance of getting on the sod gracefully
after experiencing complete electrical failure, IFR or VFR.
This thing was, and still is, a small, portable battery pack.
Typically it has a 12v 7-8ah gel cell battery, charger, meter, outlets,
and convenient handle. Since writing then, these battery packs have
become quite popular as emergency car-starters, sources of current for
portable TVs and entertainment gear. Some have a built-in bright light.
The auto versions have two heavy duty cables with battery clips. And
all have a couple of outlets--like cigar lighter receptacles--to accept
plugs to drive various loads.
These packs might start a small aircraft engine, in the summer, but the
main use, as I see it, is to have a portable source of 12v dc handy. One
easy use is to power a handheld radio or a GPS while in a motel. Get the
weather, program the GPS, without eating expensive batteries.
Back to the start of this; the pack can be carried in the plane with
you, to power a handheld radio or GPS-- and could, with minor
modification, power some aircraft loads. In a former life, when the
Friendlies thought(?) I was strong of heart and mind, I experimented
with my 172 (and later, 177) by simulating alt/batt failure. Switched
master off, both alt and batt in the 177, plugged the 12v from the
portable pack into the cigar lighter receptacle. Turned off all loads
except No.1 radio and LORAN (yes, kiddies). Worked very well.When in
dire straits, do dire stuff.
Anyhow, these inexpensive packs can be very useful around the house,
car, hangar, even the airplane. Beware, though, that there are versions
of this pack that can cost up to $500 vs. $50 for ones that dont say Airplane.
I wrote something for the Cardinal Club Newsletter, but can't find it.
Anyhow these battery gizmos are cheap, and not too heavy. And don't
forget using an out-of-date ELT battpack--the 12V type. They have plenty
of stutch even when outa date, and are FREE.
Bob N.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Sun and Fun 2004
Date:
Apr 20, 2004
Hi Bob:
Thanks for the info. I used one of these power packs to start in
Lakeland. I started to ask Vernon Peckam is I could take it with me
and mail it back when I got home, but decided against it. Would have
simplified refueling and possibly got the alternator to come back on
line to start working on the dead battery.
Live and learn, hopefully. Was not too much of a problem during
daylight hours, but a "really" dark night would have been quite
unpleasant. One reason I do not fly for fun at night any more in a
single, less than IFR, engine aircraft.
Good night!
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
c.f.white(at)att.net
Date:
Apr 21, 2004
I bought some Dacron Sail Repair tape at the California Power Systems display at
Lakeland. It is 2 inches wide, has a rip stop reinforcement and is translucent.
It is very thin but I could not tear it by hand. It was ~$6 for 50 feet. I
tried a test strip on my refrigerator door (non-porous, irregular surface) for
about 24 hrs. It bonded very well. I plan to use it for my wing gap seals.
Has anyone else out there tried this stuff?
Duane, I tried that same tape last year... thought it would be great - even painted
it the same color as my wings. Unfortunately, the problem with it is the
adhesive. It does not stand up to summer heat... get's soft and does not hold.
Sorry, but I thought it would be great for wing gap seals too. Finally had to
put that clear 3-M book-binders tape over it to keep it attached.
--
Charles White
1200 Big Lodge Rd.
Rollins, MT 59931
MK-3/912 N970CW
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 21, 2004
From:
Jim Clayton <jspc78(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
For folks attending Monument Valley this year
Hello everyone,
I have a friend coming with my dad and I to the
Monument Valley fly-in, who is hoping that one of you
fellow attendees will be heading for the Los Angeles
basin or that vicinity afterward (needs to be in LA
Monday noon, or a little after), with adequate
weight-&-balance space in your two-, four- or
more-seater for him to tag along. A departure either
Sunday or early-early Monday would work for him (even
by car, if on Sunday); he's of course fully willing to
share [av]gas expenses etc.
He's an A&P, and has been very helpful with my M3X
project, so you could bend his ear or even put him to
work if you need mechanical assistance. Please let us
know at your first possible convenience, so his gig in
LA later Monday can be confirmed ASAP. If no one is
actually attending from there, but one of you would be
amenable to heading that general direction after the
festivities (an extended air tour you might be
contemplating perhaps?), maybe even to somewhere a bit
north of that area (...the better to rendezvous with
his ground transportation there...), that would be
very greatly appreciated, with appropriate gratitude
and compensation in return. BTW, he won't have more
than 5 lbs. of luggage (we will take his stuff home).
Dad and I will not be leaving MV until Monday sometime
(by car) and home is northern California, so we can't
get him to LA. I didn't think anyone was flying back
that way on Sunday or early Monday, but thought I
could throw it out there just in case.
Thanks, Jim
Jim Clayton
California
Mark-3X, 912ULS, Building
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Ken Harrison" <kenharrison(at)onlinexpress.net>
Subject:
Firestar ribs
Date:
Apr 21, 2004
Hello all,
I am new to the list and have started to rebuild an original Firestar.
Several of the ribs will need to be replaced, and I understand you can't buy
rib components anymore. What current production Kolb has a rib most similar
to the original Firestar's. I think this plane was built in the early 90s.
Also, I am considering rebuilding the Rotax 377 on this plane. It has
never been rebuilt and I'm wondering mostly about the crank. Is it like a
certificated aircraft crank that can be reused as long as it's within the
wear limits? What is the best course of action here? (Short of buying a new
503.)
Thanks for any help.
Ken Harrison
Currently sandblasting, straightening 4130, and drilling out rivets.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Willamson" <kolbrapilot(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
Date:
Apr 21, 2004
You are on the list.
Will probably take you up on the gas hauling offer.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 559 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject:
Re: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
Date:
Apr 21, 2004
Oh, Mercy ! ! ! Seems like I'm always on SOmebody's list. 'Specially my
boss's. Story a' my life, eh ?? Lar. :-) Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Willamson" <kolbrapilot(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2004 Kolb Gathering
>
> You are on the list.
>
> Will probably take you up on the gas hauling offer.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 559 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject:
Re: Firestar ribs
Date:
Apr 21, 2004
>
> Hello all,
> I am new to the list and have started to rebuild an original Firestar.
> Several of the ribs will need to be replaced, and I understand you can't
buy
> rib components anymore. What current production Kolb has a rib most
similar
> to the original Firestar's. I think this plane was built in the early
90s.
Ken,
Welcome to the Kolb list.
Its good to hear that a broken Kolb is being reborn. I don't think the
Firestars ribs have changed over the years, just the rib count. newer birds
have seven while older ones have five. You can just go with new Firestar
ribs. Just specify to Kolb which positions the ribs are for as the internal
braces vary to clear the drag struts.
>
> Also, I am considering rebuilding the Rotax 377 on this plane. It has
> never been rebuilt and I'm wondering mostly about the crank. Is it like a
> certificated aircraft crank that can be reused as long as it's within the
> wear limits? What is the best course of action here? (Short of buying a
new
> 503.)
>
Decarbon, replace front and rear crank seals and all gaskets, check rings
and pistons and restore to factory specs as needed. Also change gearbox gear
oil.
If you are uncomfortable doing this work, contact Tom Olenik at
www.buyitsellitfixit (Eastern Ohio) or any other reputable Rotax repair
station. That 377 is a real sweetheart of an engine, as long as you can get
parts for it you are money ahead to keep her in service.
Good Luck with the rebuild and keep us posted on your progress.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject:
New Rotax watercraft 4 strokes
Date:
Apr 22, 2004
Kolbers,
I was at a local Sea Doo dealer recently and checked out the engine in a showroom
Sea Doo.
A 1500cc inline triple 4 stroke available normally aspirated in 155hp, supercharged
at 185hp, or intercooled & supercharged at 215hp. They also now use a clsed
loop cooling system like sleds or our aircraft.
All I can say is Wow!
Seems the four stroke revolution is in high gear and the future looks bright for
lighter weight high performance engines.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
New Rotax watercraft 4 strokes
Date:
Apr 22, 2004
From:
"Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield(at)kcc.com>
If you look at these and some of the newer 1000cc sportbike engines,
there is some very impressive stuff out there. Would be great for
someone to start adapting one to a gearbox to use on a plane...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denny Rowe
Subject: Kolb-List: New Rotax watercraft 4 strokes
Kolbers,
I was at a local Sea Doo dealer recently and checked out the engine in a
showroom Sea Doo.
A 1500cc inline triple 4 stroke available normally aspirated in 155hp,
supercharged at 185hp, or intercooled & supercharged at 215hp. They also
now use a clsed loop cooling system like sleds or our aircraft.
All I can say is Wow!
Seems the four stroke revolution is in high gear and the future looks
bright for lighter weight high performance engines.
Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PA
==
==
==
==
This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged,
confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure
under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly
by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy.
Thank you.
==============================================================================
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Cooley" <johnc(at)datasync.com>
Subject:
Firestar ribs
Date:
Apr 22, 2004
Hi Ken,
Welcome to the list. I'm sure you already know to be careful with the
sandblasting due to the thin wall of the 4130. I wouldn't consider using
a "big dog" sandblasting outfit with sand in it. I have had a couple of
cages blasted by a guy that specializes in old cars and he uses plastic
media.
On the ribs you may want to consider buying the 5/16 x .035 tubing and
trying to rebuild the rib around the spar if they are not messed up too
bad.
How many hours on the 377? Rotax recommends replacing the crank on them
at the 300 hour rebuild time. Good luck and you should be able to find
lots of help on the list with your project.
John Cooley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Harrison
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar ribs
-->
Hello all,
I am new to the list and have started to rebuild an original Firestar.
Several of the ribs will need to be replaced, and I understand you can't
buy rib components anymore. What current production Kolb has a rib most
similar to the original Firestar's. I think this plane was built in the
early 90s.
Also, I am considering rebuilding the Rotax 377 on this plane. It has
never been rebuilt and I'm wondering mostly about the crank. Is it like
a certificated aircraft crank that can be reused as long as it's within
the wear limits? What is the best course of action here? (Short of
buying a new
503.)
Thanks for any help.
Ken Harrison
Currently sandblasting, straightening 4130, and drilling out rivets.
==
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
==
==
==
________________________________________________________________________________
MV group,
Kathy and I will be trailering my Firestar II and will bring (3) six
gallon gas cans. Also, I have a couple of spouts with hoses attached,
for filling Kolbs. We will be staying in the campground.
John Jung
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi guys,
Well, it's official. There have been enough engines in the field getting
high hours and be inspected for HKS to raise the TBO of the 700-E to 800
hours. A valid TBO. So just change the oil and 3 spark plug changes before
then. If you would rather fly than work on the engine, it's so nice.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation - Supplying the lighter side of sport aviation.
Level III Repair Station for Rotax Aircraft Engines
Dealer for Summit Powered Parachutes
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS
Buy from a dealer who can support what they sell......
(DO NOT USE THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR DIRECT E-MAIL. WE WILL NEVER SEE IT.
USE THE ABOVE CONTACT INFORMATION TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY)
________________________________________________________________________________
I have John plus one on the list.
What is your wife's first name?
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, Rotax 912ULS, 559 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Tom and Betty Kuffel
Date:
Apr 22, 2004
Hi Gang:
Excellent news.
I finally located Tom and Betty Kuffel. Just got off the phone with
Betty. She sounded 100%, which is her normal status.
They were over very rugged terrain, the Prospector developed carb ice.
Tom did not detect it in time due to the constant speed prop. They
went into 80 to 100 ft trees on a very steep slope after the
Prospector stalled. Betty thinks after the wings were torn off, the
fuselage slid down the tree trunks, and landed inverted.
It took six hours to find and winch them out of the mountains. Betty
said the ELT went off and thanks to her Verizon cell phone, they were
located and evacuated to St Patrick Hospital in Missoula, MT.
She told me to tell the Kolb List that they both were in good spirits.
Betty has an open trauma wound on her leg as the result of a leg
fracture. Tom got a bit more damage, but is in good shape considering
the landing. Betty will be out of the hospital in a few days, Tom a
little longer.
They had their little dog with them and some how the dog wondered off
and did not get picked up when Tom and Betty were extracted from the
crash site. Hopefully, the little fella will turn up. Our dogs are
like our children to some of us.
She hopes we will still come by on our way to Alaska, but said they're
plans to go had definitely changed.
I am so grateful they are both going to be ok. We will miss them at
MV and on our flight to Alaska. They are great people.
Take care,
john h
PS: If anyone wants to call Betty, she is in Rm 425. The operator
number is 1-406-543-7271.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier(at)cableone.net>
Subject:
Wing Fold Pins
Date:
Apr 22, 2004
Hi Guys,
Mike Pierzina and I were comapring ways we have come up with to insert and
retain the wing fold pins. He sent me pics of his and here are pics of mine.
You ought to put yours on the web, Mike, so the guys can see two ways of attacking
the same problem. My wings are presently being re-covered so I took the
pic with the wing off the aircraft. The end of the pin is bent 90 degrees to
go into a small hole I drilled into the side of the dowell. The tape holds the
pin into the hole. The "Keeper" bungee is attached the same way. Just aft
of the spot where the bungee attaches to the dowell, you can see some black tape.
This tape has a piece of foam rubber inside to act as a pad for when the
dowell comes up against the rudder. Been using this for a year or so with no
problems.
AzDave
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow(at)chase3000.com>
Subject:
Re: Tom and Betty Kuffel
Date:
Apr 22, 2004
(not processed: message from valid local sender)
Thanks John, I just talked to Betty also, took a bit of investigating, and a
couple of good hearted people at the area hospitals, but finally found them
at St Pats Hospital in Missoula MT. The address there is
St Patrick's Hospital 500 West Broadway Missoula, MT 59802
Betty is in Room 425 with a phone Tom is in a intensive care Room 354 with
no phone, yet.
They treated me like Grandparents last summer when I visited other
friends in there area and Tom took me for a days flying in the Prospector,
to view the valley and the forest fires, that were raging at that time. We
landed at several remote mountain strips and saw that beautiful area for the
first time from the air, after regular visits there for 25 years.
As John said, they seem in good spirits, and they should recover very
well, in time. I wish them the best, as I'm sure we all do.
Kelvin K Grant NE
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Tom and Betty Kuffel
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> Excellent news.
>
> I finally located Tom and Betty Kuffel. Just got off the phone with
> Betty. She sounded 100%, which is her normal status.
>
> They were over very rugged terrain, the Prospector developed carb ice.
> Tom did not detect it in time due to the constant speed prop. They
> went into 80 to 100 ft trees on a very steep slope after the
> Prospector stalled. Betty thinks after the wings were torn off, the
> fuselage slid down the tree trunks, and landed inverted.
>
> It took six hours to find and winch them out of the mountains. Betty
> said the ELT went off and thanks to her Verizon cell phone, they were
> located and evacuated to St Patrick Hospital in Missoula, MT.
>
> She told me to tell the Kolb List that they both were in good spirits.
> Betty has an open trauma wound on her leg as the result of a leg
> fracture. Tom got a bit more damage, but is in good shape considering
> the landing. Betty will be out of the hospital in a few days, Tom a
> little longer.
>
> They had their little dog with them and some how the dog wondered off
> and did not get picked up when Tom and Betty were extracted from the
> crash site. Hopefully, the little fella will turn up. Our dogs are
> like our children to some of us.
>
> She hopes we will still come by on our way to Alaska, but said they're
> plans to go had definitely changed.
>
> I am so grateful they are both going to be ok. We will miss them at
> MV and on our flight to Alaska. They are great people.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
> PS: If anyone wants to call Betty, she is in Rm 425. The operator
> number is 1-406-543-7271.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 22, 2004
From:
lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com
Subject:
Re: Firestar ribs
Hi Ken, I agree with Denny and John. I am rebuilding my Firestar which has one
damaged rib from trailer rash (flew it all last summer like this)the ribs are
riveted together and easy to take apart.
The cranks are no longer availible for the 377 (if I'm wrong maybe Tom will correct
me ) ,so I'd go with Denney's recommendation on that.
If you need any photos or something off the plans let me know.
Bryan Green Elgin Sc
original Firestar
Rotax 377 and BRS
19LBG
----- Original Message -----
From: John Cooley <johnc(at)datasync.com>
Date: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:16 am
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firestar ribs
>
> Hi Ken,
> Welcome to the list.
On the ribs you may want to consider buying the 5/16 x .035 tubing and
> trying to rebuild the rib around the spar if they are not messed
> up too
> bad.
Rotax recommends replacing the crank on
> them at the 300 hour rebuild time.
>
>
>
>
>>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> _-
> _-
> _-
> _-
> ========================================================================
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject:
Round the Thumb Trip
Date:
Apr 22, 2004
Fellow Kolbers:
If you live in or near SE Michigan and the so-called Michigan Thumb, please consider
joining the Greater Thumb Ultralight Flyers (GTUF) on a Round the Thumb
flight on Saturday, June 12, 2004.
Additional information and a reservation form are available at this web site:
www.staliteaviation.com
Click on the June Thumb Trip link on the toolbar.
I realize it's no Monument Valley or Alaska trip, but not all of us are ready for
or interested in flying such an ambitious type of journey. For something a
little shorter, and a little more affordable, our one-day trip might be just the
ticket. If the weather permits us to fly, I can guarantee you'll see some beautiful
countryside and shoreline.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Re: Sun & Fun Hanger Fly-Inn
Date:
Apr 22, 2004
Hello Richard,
Thanks for the hospitality Friday night. It was really a pleasure to get together
with the group and talk with them face to face. You and George made us feel
right at home.
Gene and I appreciate your effort,
Duane
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Timandjan(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 22, 2004
Subject:
503 carb boots
I read somewhere that new carb boots should be cleaned before installing and
then someone at Sun in fun said to coat them with lithium grease, anybody know
the correct procedures for these new boots?
Thanks
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject:
tom and betty
Date:
Apr 23, 2004
i just got off the phone with betty and she is upbeet and she seemed well.. she
mentioned that tom has had a multiple surgeries since sat and is continually
improving with no setbacks. she wanted me to tell all on the list thanks for
the support, and sorry they will miss us at mv and alaska.
boyd
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd(at)msn.com>
Subject:
First flight of Kolb Mk lll, N7078A
Date:
Apr 23, 2004
Finally...
I ran out of things to fix on my Mk lll this afternoon and got into the flight
test prep mode. After a final inspection by my friend and fellow builder Rutledge
Fuller and a few more fixes he took her out for taxi testing. Every thing
went well so he took her up for a few crow hops (3,500' of grass) before we ran
out of time. She handled just fine but I wanted to do a little more trimming
before we released her for a complete wring out of everything she is capable
of doing. She really looked great in the air.
Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, Mk lll/912
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Ron Lee" <rlee468(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Titan Tornado 1 for sale
Date:
Apr 23, 2004
I just reduced the price $1,000.00. Check it out on barnstormers.com Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Re: First flight of Kolb Mk lll, N7078A
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
Duane,
I'm glad the procrastination finally came to an end. This should have
happened last year but I'm sure glad it finally happened.
Gene
On Apr 23, 2004, at 9:37 PM, H MITCHELL wrote:
>
> Finally...
> I ran out of things to fix on my Mk lll this afternoon and got into
> the flight test prep mode. After a final inspection by my friend and
> fellow builder Rutledge Fuller and a few more fixes he took her out
> for taxi testing. Every thing went well so he took her up for a few
> crow hops (3,500' of grass) before we ran out of time. She handled
> just fine but I wanted to do a little more trimming before we released
> her for a complete wring out of everything she is capable of doing.
> She really looked great in the air.
>
> Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, Mk lll/912
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject:
Monument Valley
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
I'm new to the forum....
Where and when is the Monument Valley gathering?
What's the field like?
I might be interested in flying there..... and my plane can handle certain
off-airport scenarios, if necessary.
Thanks,
Dave Paule
Boulder, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
Subject:
[ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Bryan Green
Subject: Identify This Plane...?
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lgreen1@sc.rr.com.04.24.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
Subject:
[ Larry Cottrell ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Larry Cottrell
Subject: Contrasting Views of Oregon...
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lcottrel@kfalls.net.02.24.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
Subject:
[ Mike Pierzina ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Mike Pierzina
Subject: Wing Fold Pins
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/planecrazzzy@lycos.com.04.24.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
Subject:
[ Dave Pelletier (AzDave) ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From:
Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Dave Pelletier (AzDave)
Subject: Wing Fold Pins
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/pelletier@cableone.net.04.24.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject:
Re: Monument Valley
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
Thanks!
Do I need to make reservations if I decide to come? I'd be camping at my
airplane tie-down spot.
And yes, I'd bring tie-downs, etc.
If I do it, I'd be arriving Friday but would leave early. And I'd have
room/weight allowance to haul stuff
Dave Paule
Boulder, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
Re: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
Bryan,
Not a positive ID but it looks a lot like a Hatz.
Have a look here
http://www.weebeastie.com/hatzcb1/
pp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Email List Photo Shares" </
Subject: Kolb-List: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
>
>
> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Bryan Green
>
>
> Subject: Identify This Plane...?
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lgreen1@sc.rr.com.04.24.2004/index.html
>
>
> o Main Photo Share Index
>
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
>
> o Submitting a Photo Share
>
> If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include
the
> following information along with your email message and files:
>
> 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
> 2) Your Full Name:
> 3) Your Email Address:
> 4) One line Subject description:
> 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
> 6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
>
> Email the information above and your files and photos to:
>
> pictures(at)matronics.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject:
Re: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
Bryan/Kolbers,
Might be an Eagle Rock biplane. (SWAG)
Is this a test? Do the questions get harder? ;
)
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "Email List Photo Shares" <pictures(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
>
>
> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Bryan Green
>
>
> Subject: Identify This Plane...?
>
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lgreen1@sc.rr.com.04.24.2004/index.html
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"robert mason" <masonclan(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject:
Re: Monument Valley..Jim Clayton
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
...My name is Robert.New to the Kolb family...working on an
Xtra... will be coming to MV. also for Jim Clayton:
Jim,,
Not sure if you got my message, I'll be going to MV and
will be able to bring your friend back with me if he still
needs a ride..
Robert
Simi Valley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
David Paule
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley
==============
Contributions
other
==============
==============
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htmhttp://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-listhttp://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list
==============
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject:
Netsky Virus
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
I know the rules about hoaxes, etc., but this is not a hoax. I just went thru
a session with the "Netsky32" virus, and it was a nightmare. I used Norton to
root it out, but it was a long, head-banging process. It came on a txt attachment
from a friend that I've been having an ongoing dialog with. I'm generally
pretty wary of any attachments, but I was 1/2 expecting this one, so opened
it, and WHAM ! ! ! If you get an email from me with ANY attachment, DON'T
open it ! ! ! If I'm going to send an attachment, I'll ask you first and wait
for a reply. P.O.'ed Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject:
Monument Valley
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
There have been quite a few questions about the set-up and facilities at Goulding's
Resort in Monument Valley, so I went ahead and played with a couple of last
years photos in Paint, and put them on a web page. Take a look at:
http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/valley.html
If you have more questions, ask on the Kolb List, or email me direct..........with
no attachments. :-)
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject:
Re: Monument Valley
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
Also on this subject, for the newcomers to the List, last year I built a web
page on our Monument Valley trip. You can see it on my website, highlighted
below, and go to Traveling/Monument Valley. What Fun ! ! !
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
>
> There have been quite a few questions about the set-up and facilities at
Goulding's Resort in Monument Valley, so I went ahead and played with a
couple of last years photos in Paint, and put them on a web page. Take a
look at:
>
>
http://www.flyingpics.homestead.com/valley.html
>
> If you have more questions, ask on the Kolb List, or email me
direct..........with no attachments. :-)
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
[ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
Maybe a Tiger Moth?
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/de-havilland-tiger-moth-ii.htm
Your plane appears to have an upright inline engine and straighter wings.
The tiger moth has an inverted inline engine and more swept wings... Myabe
a bit rounder in the tail.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Email List Photo
Shares
Subject: Kolb-List: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Bryan Green
Subject: Identify This Plane...?
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lgreen1@sc.rr.com.04.24.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"bryan green" <lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Date:
Apr 24, 2004
Naw it's not a test. a guy that works with my wife is an artist and that's a
reproduction he did from an old photo. He would like to know the aircraft
type to put on the painting, so I was ask to help. Thanks to all that have
replied.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
>
> Bryan/Kolbers,
>
> Might be an Eagle Rock biplane. (SWAG)
>
> Is this a test? Do the questions get harder? ;
> )
>
> Ed in JXN
> MkII/503
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Email List Photo Shares" <pictures(at)matronics.com>
> To: "Email List Photo Shares"
> Subject: Kolb-List: [ Bryan Green ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
>
>
> >
> >
> > A new Email List Photo Share is available:
> >
> > Poster: Bryan Green
> >
> >
> > Subject: Identify This Plane...?
> >
> >
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lgreen1@sc.rr.com.04.24.2004/index.html
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"James, Ken" <KDJames(at)berkscareer.com>
Subject:
Aero-news.net
Date:
Apr 26, 2004
Check out today's aero-news.net, some one bought the Kolb Demo with that
great Flag paint job!
Lucky guy
Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Skywaylodge(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 26, 2004
Subject:
Re: Kolb-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 04/25/04
I have not used this site in the past. Would someone be so kind as to tell me
how to place an add to sell my 2001 Kolb Mark III.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Skywaylodge(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 26, 2004
Subject:
Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 04/22/04
If there is anyone that can walk me through the steps to place an add for my
2001 Kolb Mrk III I would appreciate it. I can fly an airplane but have no
idea how to use a computer.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"ronnie wehba" <rwehba(at)wtxs.net>
Subject:
{Spam?} way off topic and on topic
Date:
Apr 26, 2004
have bought a lake cabin "RIGHT" but someone has taken the pressure tank " water
well" by busting everything loose, anyone know where i can find a drawing of
how to hook a new one up ?
thanks ron w in west tx.
BTW july 10,we are having our 2 nd flyin here SWW sweetwater,tx. you listinn'
john and john? home of the wasp pilots. lots of room. working on flyer now.
just gonna be a breakfast flyin a one day deal.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 26, 2004
Subject:
Re: First flight of Kolb Mk lll, N7078A
In a message dated 4/23/04 9:37:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mitchmnd(at)msn.com
writes:
> Finally...
> I ran out of things to fix on my Mk lll this afternoon and got into the
> flight test prep mode. After a final inspection by my friend and fellow builder
> Rutledge Fuller and a few more fixes he took her out for taxi testing. Every
> thing went well so he took her up for a few crow hops (3,500' of grass) before
> we ran out of time. She handled just fine but I wanted to do a little more
> trimming before we released her for a complete wring out of everything she is
> capable of doing. She really looked great in the air.
>
> Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, Mk lll/912
>
> Congratulations Duane the plane....what is this, your third or fourth
Kolb....enjoyed seeing you again at S n F with Gene Ledbetter.
george Randolph
firestar driver from the villages
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 27, 2004
From:
Ted Cowan <tcowan1917(at)direcway.com>
Subject:
kolb for sale
Just wanted to let all you great people out there know that I have finished
restoring my original firestar. It is circa 86', no special mods except
what was recommended. Took the ole girl down to her bare bones, checked
every weld and everything else for ware and tare. Used light stits on tail
section and heavier cloth on wings. UV proofed, and painted yellow with
blue trim. Reinforced bow tips and has the heavy drag strut and half rib.
447 with 100 hours on motor and components. IVO ground adjust, two blade.
Reg/Rec and Batt installed. All necessary gauges. BRS canister chute come
with it but not installed. Zipper center gap seal and quick fold mechisms
in place. Great little flyer, ready for new owner. Has 700 hrs on airframe
since new. Full enclosure and short windshield furnished. see at
www.homestead.com/southernflyers for sale section. $10,000.00 It is
ready for another thousand hours +. Ted Cowan This one is for all you
guys like me that like flying around but not to get there. Put the little
critter on a trailer (one could come with it) and drive it there, fly it
when there and drive it home. No storms to worry about. Hate to even sell
it but I gotta pay for my new Slingshot somehow.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 27, 2004
From:
Jimmy <jhankin(at)planters.net>
Subject:
Plantation Flying Club Fly-In
VIDALIA_1332 ,
ST SIMONS-905 , SPRINGFIELD_330 ,
PERRY_38 ,
MOULTRIE-1082 ,
LAWRENCEVILLE-690 ,
DUBLIN-1195 , DAWSON-354 ,
Dale Sellers , COLUMBUS-677 ,
CARROLLTOM-976 , BLAIRSVILLE-1211 ,
AUGUSTA_172
The Second Plantation Fly-in will be held on May 1, 2004 at the Plantation Air
Park (JYL) Sylvania, Georgia.
General Aviation and Ultralight's welcome.
Starting at 8:00 am.
A Low Country Broil will be served, Pilots flying in free lunch.
Full facilities:
Two runways
5 and 15, right traffic. 3800' X 75'
15 and 33, 5000' X 100'
Elevation 188'
Unicom 122.8
Beacon
Restrooms
Fuel, credit cards
Lat. 32*38.73'N
Lon 81*35.79'W
Weather, 912 857 9000
Contact:
Jimmy Hankinson
912 863 7384
jhankin(at)planters.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
Subject:
Re: kolb for sale
I am looking for a trailer for my Firestar KX ...hopefully one that has a
cover for it for storage. Travel would be minimal with the possible exception of
one trip from Warren Ohio to The Villages in North Florida. Otherwise I will
have to fly the puppy down to Fl and I don't have any X country
experience.....woe is me....It would be great, but ....I'm too scared....and
...feeble....and ....weak....I think.
George Randolph
Firestar driver from The Villages, Fl
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Doug Lawton" <skyrider2(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Mark III For Sale
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
Herb,
Have you any photos of the plane? Any damage history? Logbooks? Are you
willing to take anything in trade?
I have nice buildable residential land in Brookesville, FL available.
Thanks in advance,
Doug Lawton
NE Georgia & Whitwell TN
Mathews Field
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Timandjan(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
Subject:
Carb boots and Ivo prop question
Thought I sent this a week ago but I guess it did not go through.
I am replacing the rubber carb boots between the carbs and the intake
maniflds on my 503. I read somewhere that they should be cleaned first and leaf
or
someone at Sun in Fun where I got them said to coat them with lithium grease. I
thought they should be cleaned to remove any grease so this contradicts what I
thought to be correct. What is everyone else doing with these. I am mostly
concerned with longitivity and to make sure they don't slip because of the
grease. Added grip.
Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of my
prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change them
out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the 200inch
pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the jamb
nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be overtightned
increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them and
used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as well.
Thanks for the input.
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy(at)visi.net>
Subject:
Re: tire question
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
> The dot or dots are put on the tire at the lightest point on the
> circumfrence of the tire's bead... Rotate the tire so the dot aligns with
> the valve stem...
Absolutely correct except they are at the heaviest "side" of the tire.
Usually the rim is a few oz lighter where the stem hole is.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Carb boots and Ivo prop question
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
| I am replacing the rubber carb boots between the carbs and the
intake
| maniflds on my 503. I read somewhere that they should be cleaned
first and leaf or
| someone at Sun in Fun where I got them said to coat them with
lithium grease.
Hi Tim/Gang:
Clean the inside, contact area, then mount carb. The lithium grease
goes on the outside to keep the rubber pliable and prevent cracking.
No grease on inside!!!
| They are religious about the 200inch
| pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid
the jamb
| nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
overtightned
| increasing the 200inch pound setting.
I be the first to admit I do not know anything about IVO props. I fly
with them when I fly factory aircraft, but the Kolb guys maintain the
prop. However, a requirement to check torque of prop bolts every 10
hours indicates to me that IVO has a problem with this model prop.
For some of us, this would mean retorque prop bolts every day or so
while on a cross country flight. Again, I qualify myself as not
knowing anything about the prop. This is my opinion only.
For those interested. Warp Drive props I use are torqued during
installation. I have flown as much as 450 hours without ever
retorqueing prop bolts.
That did not help you with your question on using double nuts to lock
the prop bolts.
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
From:
Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject:
Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch pounds.
Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo recommendations...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of my
>prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change them
>out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the 200inch
>pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the jamb
>nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
>overtightned
>increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them and
>used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as well.
>
>Thanks for the input.
>
>Tim
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
From:
"Bob N." <ronoy(at)shentel.net>
Subject:
Re: Carb boots and Ivo prop question
Re: prop bolts. I recently posted a msg wherein I recounted some
"advice" from what I called a "safety inspector" at a fly-in. He said I
should put nuts on my IVO prop bolts. Prop/hub came on factory FF from
Old Kolb...without the nuts.
Bob N.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
Subject:
Ultrastar for sale
From:
Bruce L Borg <blborg(at)juno.com>
Listers:
Have Ultrastar for sale. Details and pictures on Barnstormers.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"G. Thompson" <eagle1(at)commspeed.net>
Subject:
Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did
not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a
long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a
quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of
"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts
on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had
another problem.
George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
>
> I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
> once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch
pounds.
> Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo
recommendations...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of
my
> >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change
them
> >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the
200inch
> >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the
jamb
> >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
> >overtightned
> >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them
and
> >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as
well.
> >
> >Thanks for the input.
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Johann" <johann(at)gi.is>
Subject:
Kiev Hotprop.
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
Hi list members.
Anyone used a Hotprop from Kiev on a Kolb? Would be very interested to know
any pros and cons on that prop, comared to the most used Ivo and Warp props.
Best regards.
Johann from Iceland.
Firestar II.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
Subject:
Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
From:
ul15rhb(at)juno.com
I use stopnuts (nylock) on the back of the prop hub with an Ivo. The prop has been
on there for 450 hours without any problem. I check the tightness every year.
Do not use stop nuts on a wooden prop as the wood compresses and loosens up the
prop bolts. Stop nuts wouldn't do any good. I had to check the prop bolts often
with the wooden prop.
Composite props, Ivo or Warp, are the only props that should be used on a pusher.
Ralph
Original Firestar
17 years flying it
Rotax 447/Ivo 2-blade
-- "G. Thompson" wrote:
For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did
not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a
long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a
quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of
"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts
on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had
another problem.
George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
>
> I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
> once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch
pounds.
> Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo
recommendations...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of
my
> >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change
them
> >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the
200inch
> >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the
jamb
> >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
> >overtightned
> >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them
and
> >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as
well.
> >
> >Thanks for the input.
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
From:
curtis groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
firestar ll
From the novice: Firestar ll
The manual says to install the braces in the horiz.
and vert. stabilizers with brackets bent to a 1/32
inch radius. Suggestions on what to use to do that
bending, please.
Also, did any of you spray zinc chromate primer on any
parts or the steel parts after drilling?
Thanks to Paul Petty, Richard Pike, and Tim and Jan
for their responses back in February on the worktable.
It's been slow starting but the table is done, some
tools acquired, and hopefully I can get serious now.
Thanks.
Curt Groote
=====
__________________________________
http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
From:
jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
Note, there are regular and locking versions of PAL Nuts. Here's a handy
link to see what they are. You may also want to note there are AN metal
locking nuts - look some thing a castle nut but are locking - used in
places like exhaust systems where things get hot and a fiber nut would hold
up.
http://www.mrgusa.com/pdfs/83-89palnut.pdf
jerb
>
>For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did
>not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a
>long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a
>quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of
>"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts
>on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had
>another problem.
> George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
>
>
> >
> > I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
> > once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch
>pounds.
> > Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo
>recommendations...
> >
> > Richard Pike
> > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of
>my
> > >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change
>them
> > >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the
>200inch
> > >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the
>jamb
> > >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
> > >overtightned
> > >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them
>and
> > >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as
>well.
> > >
> > >Thanks for the input.
> > >
> > >Tim
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
From:
jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Re: : Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
Ralph,
Why do you say wood props should not be used on a pusher?
Seems like fiber (ny-lock) nuts would be even appropriate for wood prop -
if they loosened at all it would at least keep them from backing out of the
prop mounting flange.
jerb
>
>
>I use stopnuts (nylock) on the back of the prop hub with an Ivo. The prop
>has been on there for 450 hours without any problem. I check the tightness
>every year.
>
>Do not use stop nuts on a wooden prop as the wood compresses and loosens
>up the prop bolts. Stop nuts wouldn't do any good. I had to check the prop
>bolts often with the wooden prop.
>
>Composite props, Ivo or Warp, are the only props that should be used on a
>pusher.
>
>Ralph
>Original Firestar
>17 years flying it
>Rotax 447/Ivo 2-blade
>
>-- "G. Thompson" wrote:
>
>For what it is worth, I have used IVO props on both of my Kolbs. I too did
>not use lock nuts behind the prop UNTIL, on one of my preflights while on a
>long cross country, I discovered one of the bolts had worked out about a
>quarter inch. I went right down to the auto parts store and bought a set of
>"Pal" nuts. These are pressed steel nuts that used to be on con- rod bolts
>on some cars.(before inserts). I put them on just for safety and never had
>another problem.
> George, The Bald Eagle of Arizona
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List:: Ivo prop question
>
>
> >
> > I use fiber lock nut/jamb nuts on the back of my Ivo and only check them
> > once a year during the annual. The prop is always still at 200 inch
>pounds.
> > Never had a problem. But what do I know? Stick with the Ivo
>recommendations...
> >
> > Richard Pike
> > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Also, just out of curiosity, I have always used a jamb nut on the back of
>my
> > >prop bolts as a safety. I ordered new prop bolts from Ivo just to change
>them
> > >out and they said not to use jamb nuts. They are religious about the
>200inch
> > >pound torque's that should be checked every 10 hours and are afraid the
>jamb
> > >nuts will keep you from doing that and are afraid that they will be
> > >overtightned
> > >increasing the 200inch pound setting. I have always barely snugged them
>and
> > >used them just as a safety. The factory Kolbs have always had them as
>well.
> > >
> > >Thanks for the input.
> > >
> > >Tim
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"woody" <duesouth(at)govital.net>
Subject:
Re: Tortoises
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
vaturtle dosn't have the same ring to it.
> Well let's think about this, it may be very appropriate. It seems the
> builder is building at about the pace of a turtle. Yup, I think it would
> definitely fit. Lar, your going to have to change the name of the plane
> and the picture you had planned for the tail. B
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net>
Subject:
Re: Tortoises
Date:
Apr 28, 2004
Lar;
Sorry I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for,
but, this may give you an idea or two regarding the
new logo for renaming the Vamoose. This is a pic
of a super turtle MOLD for making models, but, I
envision one similar with a cape & maybe stretched
out in a nearly horizontal position, on the tail of the
"new" Aerial Tortoise, or maybe the "Attack of the
Flying Turtle"-type of logo.
You know, ....... Protector of the lower limits of the
airspaces, Defender of the pastures, Keeper of the
gas cans, Etc.
George
Hope the pic comes thru
---
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 29, 2004
From:
Bob Bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject:
Re: Tortoises
>
>
>..... Protector of the lower limits of the
>airspaces, Defender of the pastures, Keeper of the
>gas cans, Etc.
>
>George
>
>Lar defends the west coast lower limits, I'm doing my part
>
here in the east. (and I used to wonder about the old geezers with the
J3 cubs
sinking into the ground - slipping into the same category ) :) -BB do
not archive
>
>---
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject:
lock nuts on props
Date:
Apr 29, 2004
Those PAL nuts sound like a good backup for bolts into a threaded hub.
-if you torqued into the hub and then retorqued a fibre self-locker as
a backup, it makes me wonder what happens to the original hub torque.
-might as well bore the hub holes to bolt size and rely on the nuts to do
the job singularly. The list has previously been over the subject of
stretch
-------------------------------------
if putting a lock nut on a bolt through a threaded hub i would only tighten the
locknut to 1/2 the touque put on the prop bolt.
just my thoughts.
boyd
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Subject:
Flap Lever Retainer
Date:
Apr 29, 2004
Kolb Friends -
Looking for some advice from our Mark-3 drivers.
My flap handle keeps popping out of position. The detent notches don't seem
to keep the flap handle in place securely enough. Any recommendations to
fix this?
I looked at Richard Pike's website and the details of his re-worked,
7-position flap system. Awsome piece of work, but I'm looking for something
a bit simpler that does not involve cutting & re-welding. Like a retaining
strap or something.
Any ideas will be appreciated. Many thanks -
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner-1400
New Mexico
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"G. Thompson" <eagle1(at)commspeed.net>
Subject:
Re: lock nuts on props
Date:
Apr 29, 2004
Those pressed steel "Pal" nuts I spoke of do not rely on torque for their
holding strength. They sort of Bite into the threads of the protruding bolt
for their grip. They hardly require any torque to do there thing. I am sure
they would not change the torque reading of the cap screws that are already
torqued to a specific reading.
The Bald Eagle of Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "boyd young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: lock nuts on props
>
>
> Those PAL nuts sound like a good backup for bolts into a threaded hub.
> -if you torqued into the hub and then retorqued a fibre self-locker as
> a backup, it makes me wonder what happens to the original hub torque.
> -might as well bore the hub holes to bolt size and rely on the nuts to do
> the job singularly. The list has previously been over the subject of
> stretch
> -------------------------------------
>
> if putting a lock nut on a bolt through a threaded hub i would only
tighten the locknut to 1/2 the touque put on the prop bolt.
>
> just my thoughts.
>
> boyd
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 29, 2004
From:
Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject:
Re: Flap Lever Retainer
Went out and looked at mine, tried to remember what it originally looked
like, here's an idea:
Get a screen door type spring about ???" long, and 2 hose clamps. Clamp one
end of the spring to the tubing ahead of the flat springy part of the
lever, and the other end of the spring to the diagonal brace that runs from
near the flap lever to the side vertical tube. It would add tension to keep
the lever left, but still be able to pull the lever right so you could move
it. I can visualize it, but it may not work in practice, food for thought.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>Kolb Friends -
>
>Looking for some advice from our Mark-3 drivers.
>
>My flap handle keeps popping out of position. The detent notches don't seem
>to keep the flap handle in place securely enough. Any recommendations to
>fix this?
>
>I looked at Richard Pike's website and the details of his re-worked,
>7-position flap system. Awsome piece of work, but I'm looking for something
>a bit simpler that does not involve cutting & re-welding. Like a retaining
>strap or something.
>
>Any ideas will be appreciated. Many thanks -
>
>Dennis Kirby
>Mark-3, Verner-1400
>New Mexico
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Bill Elder" <billelder(at)denver.net>
Subject:
Re: Flap Lever Retainer
Date:
Apr 29, 2004
Dennis - I did my Mark III just like Richard did and it has worked great.
By the way - I have 38 hours on my plane and sure am enjoying it! Bill in
Colorado
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flap Lever Retainer
>
> Went out and looked at mine, tried to remember what it originally looked
> like, here's an idea:
>
> Get a screen door type spring about ???" long, and 2 hose clamps. Clamp
one
> end of the spring to the tubing ahead of the flat springy part of the
> lever, and the other end of the spring to the diagonal brace that runs
from
> near the flap lever to the side vertical tube. It would add tension to
keep
> the lever left, but still be able to pull the lever right so you could
move
> it. I can visualize it, but it may not work in practice, food for thought.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >Kolb Friends -
> >
> >Looking for some advice from our Mark-3 drivers.
> >
> >My flap handle keeps popping out of position. The detent notches don't
seem
> >to keep the flap handle in place securely enough. Any recommendations to
> >fix this?
> >
> >I looked at Richard Pike's website and the details of his re-worked,
> >7-position flap system. Awsome piece of work, but I'm looking for
something
> >a bit simpler that does not involve cutting & re-welding. Like a
retaining
> >strap or something.
> >
> >Any ideas will be appreciated. Many thanks -
> >
> >Dennis Kirby
> >Mark-3, Verner-1400
> >New Mexico
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject:
I broke my Kolb
Date:
Apr 30, 2004
Fellow Kolbers:
This was a miserable night. I banged up my Kolb pretty badly tonight. During some
taxi testing, not even a flight, I caught a gust of wind and was unable to
recover. I wound up leaving the runway and entering an extremely rutted field.
I tore off both landing gear and the prop somehow managed to give a blow to the
boom tube. The Ivo prop is a goner, without a doubt, and the landing gear can
be replaced. The question I now have, and wish to pose to all of you, is what
to do about the damage to the boom tube.
It's difficult to describe the damage and I did take several digital photos after
we managed to get the plane back to my hangar. If any of you are willing to
examine the photos and offer your thoughts on whether the boom can be fixed and
how, I'd be incredible grateful. If you are, please let me know and I'll send
you a zipfile of the photos.
Having said that it's difficult to describe, I'm going to try anyhow!
There are two "creases" in the top of the tube, obviously just under the prop arc.
Neither one punctured the metal. The smaller is approximately 2" long and
1/8" deep. The larger is 2.5" farther after and is approximately 3.5" long and
1/4" deep.
As you all know MUCH better than I, replacing the boom tube is Very Big Job. What
only a few of you know is that I am Very Poorly Qualified or Equipped to do
such a job. Some of those who helped me rescue the bird this evening suggested
that a sleeve repair might be attempted.
Any and all thoughts are welcome, and I beg those of you with expertise in this
type of work to share your thoughts with me, particularly anyone who has had
similar damage.
Much saddened,
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Giovanni Day" <gde01(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject:
I broke my Kolb
Date:
Apr 30, 2004
Ken,
I just wanted to say I feel for you. I cannot imagine how I would feel
if I had this happen to me. I guess I would cry! Good luck.
Giovanni
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject:
Re: I broke my Kolb
Date:
Apr 29, 2004
Sorry to hear about it, Ken. My immediate thought is to bite the bullet and
put in a new tube. Lotsa work, but you only got 1 butt. Anything can be
fixed, but that boom tube is critical. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: I broke my Kolb
>
> Fellow Kolbers:
>
> This was a miserable night. I banged up my Kolb pretty badly tonight.
During some taxi testing, not even a flight, I caught a gust of wind and was
unable to recover. I wound up leaving the runway and entering an extremely
rutted field. I tore off both landing gear and the prop somehow managed to
give a blow to the boom tube. The Ivo prop is a goner, without a doubt, and
the landing gear can be replaced. The question I now have, and wish to pose
to all of you, is what to do about the damage to the boom tube.
>
> It's difficult to describe the damage and I did take several digital
photos after we managed to get the plane back to my hangar. If any of you
are willing to examine the photos and offer your thoughts on whether the
boom can be fixed and how, I'd be incredible grateful. If you are, please
let me know and I'll send you a zipfile of the photos.
>
> Having said that it's difficult to describe, I'm going to try anyhow!
>
> There are two "creases" in the top of the tube, obviously just under the
prop arc. Neither one punctured the metal. The smaller is approximately 2"
long and 1/8" deep. The larger is 2.5" farther after and is approximately
3.5" long and 1/4" deep.
>
> As you all know MUCH better than I, replacing the boom tube is Very Big
Job. What only a few of you know is that I am Very Poorly Qualified or
Equipped to do such a job. Some of those who helped me rescue the bird this
evening suggested that a sleeve repair might be attempted.
>
> Any and all thoughts are welcome, and I beg those of you with expertise in
this type of work to share your thoughts with me, particularly anyone who
has had similar damage.
>
> Much saddened,
>
> -Ken Fackler
> Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
> Rochester MI
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date:
Apr 30, 2004
Subject:
Re: I broke my Kolb
Hello Ken.
I am also really sorry to hear how your crow hop went. Crow hops are hard to
do for someone who is just starting to fly ultralights, my experiance is, do
not do crow hops.
I did something simular you did with my first Firestar. I needed to replace
the landing gear sockets in the cage and recover the bottom of the cage.
If you need to do that, replacing the main tube would not be that hard.
I would still replace the tail boom tube. You will never be happy with your
plane with a sleeved tube. It will always remind you of your mishap. The tube
may cost you something more, but the plane will be like new when finished.
The main thing is to replace the H brace. The other is to make sure the
alignment is correct. Not that much work. Go for it.
Hope this is an encouragement for your to start the repair today.
Best wishes,
Johann G.
>
> Fellow Kolbers:
>
> This was a miserable night. I banged up my Kolb pretty badly tonight. During
> some taxi testing, not even a flight, I caught a gust of wind and was unable
> to recover. I wound up leaving the runway and entering an extremely rutted
> field. I tore off both landing gear and the prop somehow managed to give a
> blow to the boom tube. The Ivo prop is a goner, without a doubt, and the
> landing gear can be replaced. The question I now have, and wish to pose to
> all of you, is what to do about the damage to the boom tube.
>
> It's difficult to describe the damage and I did take several digital photos
> after we managed to get the plane back to my hangar. If any of you are
> willing to examine the photos and offer your thoughts on whether the boom can
> be fixed and how, I'd be incredible grateful. If you are, please let me know
> and I'll send you a zipfile of the photos.