Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-ft
January 15, 2006 - January 25, 2006
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | transponder cert |
Try this: land at an airport with an approach control, and go to a point
on the runway or taxiway where the altitude MSL is known exactly, (it's
on the approach plate) then set your altimeter to the barometric
pressure on the current ATIS, and then ask ATC what your Mode C readout
is. (ground control can read it off the tower BRITE scope) Now you know
how accurate your Mode C is, and also know how accurate your altimeter
is. If either one is off, you need to go to an avionics shop.
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if i remember corectly the blind encoders are set to 29.92 inches of mercury.....
and will only match exactly if your altimiter is set for 29.92 inches.....
also the blind encoders only change altitude every 100 ft. and i would
have to do some research to remember if they switch at an even 100 ft or if
they switch at the 50 ft intervals. ie 45050 4650 4750 vs
4500 4600 4700
if i have mis understood this information please someone set me straight.
boyd young
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Hi,
Your not allowed inside the mode-c circle without a transponder and alt. encoder.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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if you call an hour or more in advance you can get permission to go through........
every year I go to MV I have to call to get permission....... also if you
have no electrical system you can get a permanent waver......
but when I have traveled through I am reminded to get the equipment installed and
working..... but when I call and talk to the supervisor he tells me that
on a once a year trespass through the area is not a problem.... but if I were
to make a habit of it I would be required to have it working.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport |
| From: | "Mark" <mshimei(at)netzero.net> |
I used to have a Weight Shift quick......(25yrs ago) I always landed with the engine
off (instructer encouraged that...I might get cut by the prop if it flipped)
[Shocked]
This was a modified slope model,had a 7to1 glide ratio.Seemed more like 4to1.
It weighed 130lbs with 1 1/2 gal of fuel,I was 135lbs.
I cant imagine almost the same model,beefed up,same wing area,at 700 lbs flying
weight.
Mark in Fl
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Mark Shimei
Twinstar, 503
Phantom, Kawasaki 440
Weight shift Quick, Chrysler
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4273#4273
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: transponder cert |
This may not answer your question, but here is how ATC does it:
ATC is interested in if your mode C is within 300 feet of what you claim
your altitude is. For instance, "Tri City Approach, Kolb Experimental
N420P is 20 SW of TRI, flying NE along the Interstate to VJI at 3,000,
squawking 1200." They give you a discreet code, ID you, and as long as
your mode C readout is within 300' or less of what you claim it is, they
are happy. If not, they will tell you that your mode C differs by more
than 300', stop altitude squawk, and then they will add your N # to the
monthly gripe sheet that goes to FSDO. Then you will get a query from
FSDO as to why your mode C is off, and they will advise you that they
are now anxiously awaiting a copy of the receipt you need to get from
your friendly local avionics shop, verifying that you have had your mode
C recalibrated and it is now within tolerance. (Whee!)
To avoid such expensive unpleasantries, that is why I suggested what you
copied below, because here is how it works in practice: To ensure that
your mode C is accurate, ATC sets the altitude filter limits of their
radar to the field elevation of their primary airport, so they can see
your mode C as you are going down the runway, and verify that it is the
same as the airport elevation. They know the airport elevation, so they
know what your mode C ought to be reading. Or if you call them while
airborne, they ask you "Say altitude." And you need to be within 300' or
less of what your mode C readout is.
As far as how the ATC interrogator compensates for the aircraft's mode C
always being on 29.92, and compensating for the variation between the
barometric pressure and the fixed setting - I called out to the tower
and none of my old buds knew how it worked, just that it did. (Sort of
like automatic transmissions?)
Grey Baron? Input? You da geek on this one-
Irrespective of the technical details, that is how the system works, and
that is what they look for. And you want your altimeter to agree with
what your mode C is squawking. Setting your altimeter to the current
ATIS and field elevation while you are sitting on a taxiway of known
elevation at that primary airport and then cross checking with ATC to
see if everything agrees will work every time, trust me.
Richard Pike
30 years ATC, Tri City Regional Airport (retired)
b young wrote:
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>Try this: land at an airport with an approach control, and go to a point
>on the runway or taxiway where the altitude MSL is known exactly, (it's
>on the approach plate) then set your altimeter to the barometric
>pressure on the current ATIS, and then ask ATC what your Mode C readout
>is. (ground control can read it off the tower BRITE scope) Now you know
>how accurate your Mode C is, and also know how accurate your altimeter
>is. If either one is off, you need to go to an avionics shop.
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>if i remember corectly the blind encoders are set to 29.92 inches of mercury.....
and will only match exactly if your altimiter is set for 29.92 inches.....
also the blind encoders only change altitude every 100 ft. and i would
have to do some research to remember if they switch at an even 100 ft or
if they switch at the 50 ft intervals. ie 45050 4650 4750 vs
4500 4600 4700
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>if i have mis understood this information please someone set me straight.
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>boyd young
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| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi John,
Thanks for the update. I did not know an ultrlight could get permission to go through
class B airspace.
Some of the others are debating about an electrical system. Doesn't a lighting
coil and a battery make up an electrical system? Needs better defining I believe.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4285#4285
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Travels |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> Is that Salmon Glacier in the background in this pic, John ??
Nope. That is a much smaller glacier north of the north fork of the Salmon Glacier
a few miles or so. Can't really visualize how far north of where the Salmon
splits and turns south and north. Was very busy flying through here because
of the terrain, very marginal visability, and pure excitement.
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Travels |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
1988 was the year I really ventured out in the Firestar. I had a flight to Miami,
Florida, and return to Titus, Alabama, November 1987, and a round trip flight
to Sun and Fun 1988, where the little Kolb Firestar brought home the S&F Grand
Champ Trophy. When I got back home I started making plans to fly to the
Flight Farm at Monterey, NY, NW of Elmira. Was a very adventuresome flight, the
first of this magnitude. Once I got to the Flight Farm I flew every moment
I could. Bill Lockwood, who owned the Flight Farm, sponsored me with fuel and
oil while I was there for the 8 or 10 days. It became a good crowd draw to
watch the nut in the FS fly aerobatics and make dead stick landings right to the
parking spot, most every time. What a blast. That trip was made with no brakes
installed. I also flew up and over Niagra Falls on the way home to Alabama.
Busted my butt on Grand Island, NY. Spent 4 days repairing the FS enough
to fly back to Alabama. When I got home, I stripped the FS down to bare metal
on the fuselage, repaired and made a lot of modifications to make this little
airplane a really good little cross country airplane.
This photo was taken by a professional photograper as I was shooting an approach
into the flight farm.
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4294#4294
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Travels |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
John H,
This glacier picture of yours is fantastic! I enjoy a lot of your pictures, but
to me, this one is the best.
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> http://xrl.us/jkks
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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| From: | "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)telepath.com> |
| Subject: | Re: transponder cert |
> stop altitude squawk, and then they will
> add your N # to the monthly gripe sheet that goes to FSDO.
Dang. Us ex Mil-ATC types just let it go at stopping the squawk......
> As far as how the ATC interrogator compensates for the aircraft's
mode
> C always being on 29.92, and compensating for the variation
between
> the barometric pressure and the fixed setting
http://tinyurl.com/92jev
A not too technical expalnation...disregard the 200 foot issue
on discrepancy, it's 300 ft as mentioned.
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
'71 SV, 492TC
Elmore City, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Travels |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Thanks John J. I enjoyed taking it. Was a mind blowing flight that night. All
of this was brand new, as I followed Jim Stocker around the area in his Piper
PA-11. Was nice to have a guide.
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Travels |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> I know you have declined to write about your trips in the past Rick Neilsen
Thanks for your concern, Rick.
OK, I'll write an article.
No need to grease the skids for me to Mary Jones. We go back to OSH 1989, when
we did my first story. Then again in 1993, after Grand Champ Lt Plane, and the
following year was when I did the article on the 1994 flight around CONUS and
up to Alaska.
You can read it when it is published. ;-)
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4304#4304
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Travels |
What you really need to do is write it and send it to Beauford. Wait
patiently until the gin and macanudos have had their way with your tale,
and then instead of sending it to Mary Jones, aim it to hit the NYT best
seller list. Then you and Beauford will both be rich...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
John Hauck wrote:
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>OK, I'll write an article.
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>No need to grease the skids for me to Mary Jones. We go back to OSH 1989, when
we did my first story. Then again in 1993, after Grand Champ Lt Plane, and
the following year was when I did the article on the 1994 flight around CONUS
and up to Alaska.
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>You can read it when it is published. ;-)
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>John Hauck
>MKIII/912ULS
>hauck's holler, alabama
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| From: | Mike Schnabel <tnfirestar2(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Travels |
John, another very nice pic, looks like your are approaching at about 100 mph!
Mike S
Manchester TN
Firestar 2 503
This photo was taken by a professional photograper as I was shooting an approach
into the flight farm.
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| From: | Airgriff2(at)AOL.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Travels |
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> > This photo was taken by a professional photograper as I was shooting an
> approach
> into the flight farm.
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Oh, the good ol days! I was there at the Flight Farm too flying my paraplane
at the time. Watching you fly your fs and your MK3 is how I ended up
building and flying my MK3 C. Seeing you fly at those shows could only make one
say,
"gotta have one of those"!
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
near Albany NY
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Travels |
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> What do you guys think would you like to see John H publish something???
HELL YES!!!! Many times I've looked at the photos of John's trips and
imagined myself being there too. Only in my daydreams will I ever get to
doing anything like that. ............
Do not
archive
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| From: | Thom Riddle <jtriddle(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mode C Veil Question |
Kolbers,
The regulations "certificated with electrical system". This means that
when the aircraft received its airworthiness certificate, if it had an
electrical system, then it requires the transponder within the veil.
There is no differentiation between Type Certificated and experimental
or UL "vehicles".
Thom in Buffalo
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| From: | Thom Riddle <jtriddle(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mode C veil question |
Part 103 is very specific about operating rules including where it
cannot operate legally. See
http://www.ultralighthomepage.com/FAR.part103.html
Specifically see the following section:
Sec. 103.17 Operations in certain airspace.
No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within an airport
traffic
area, control zone, airport radar service area, terminal control area,
or
positive control area unless that person has prior authorization from
the air
traffic control facility having jurisdiction over that airspace.
The areas referred to in this section I think would include the area
within the Mode C Veil.
Thom in Buffalo
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Mode C Veil Question |
I disagree.
An ultralight is a vehicle, it is not an aircraft,
(We are talking FAR's here, not appearances or behaviors)
and specifically does not have an Airworthiness Certificate.
An ultralight is not required to have any particular equipment.
An Experimental or Type Certificated aircraft is exactly that, an
aircraft, and can
have or be required to have all sorts of stuff that ultralights don't.
There is no reason to put a transponder on an ultralight, since ATC doesn't
interact with ultralights like they do with aircraft anyway.
Richard Pike
TRI ATCT (retired)
Thom Riddle wrote:
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>Kolbers,
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>The regulations "certificated with electrical system". This means that
>when the aircraft received its airworthiness certificate, if it had an
>electrical system, then it requires the transponder within the veil.
>There is no differentiation between Type Certificated and experimental
>or UL "vehicles".
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>Thom in Buffalo
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
With all the talk about VG's I haven't heard anything about how
they're to be lined up fore-and-aft. Any specs on this? If they're
straight into the wind I don't believe they'll do diddley. Look at a
commercial jet's wings -- esp. the 727. The VG's are twisted about
10-15 degrees. They are after all meant to create turbulence right at
the boundary layer -- how can they do this if they're edge-onto the
apparent wind?
Glaciers -- thanx John for a GREAT pic of some marvellous country!
Glaciers are soooo cool, esp. with a gravel strip at their foot. We
did a lot of glacier flying on the Icefield Ranges in the Yukon years
ago, in Helio Couriers, marvellous aircraft. Before I got there
they'd lost an engine, then changed it out UP ON THE GLACIER! Flew
in the new engine, three long 4x4's, a chain hoist, and went at it.
Engine was a 540 as I recall. Not your typical maintenance --
Only real txp problem I ever had was flying over Portland ME jetport
years ago at 3500', photographing the coast. Didn't talk to tower or
ATC . Later talked to Brunswick NAS (to go thru their airspace), and
they asked me to call PTL. When I did they said my txp readout was
1300'!! -- which must have startled them a little. I pointed out that
while the radar room has no windows, the tower sure does, and they
could so easily have looked out the window and seen I was NOT at
1300', but at 3500'. Vis was excellent that day. Anyway, I
apologized but pointed out that I was flying perfectly legally, and
have a nice day. That was the end of it. But no doubt my N-number had
a flag on it (another??) from then on.
Fly safe, have fun,
Russ K
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| From: | "George E. Thompson" <eagle1(at)commspeed.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Travels |
Go for it John, I know you will have serveral "for sure" sales here in
Arizona.
Az Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: <snuffy(at)usol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Travels
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>> What do you guys think would you like to see John H publish something???
>
>
> HELL YES!!!! Many times I've looked at the photos of John's trips and
> imagined myself being there too. Only in my daydreams will I ever get to
> doing anything like that. ............
>
> Do not
> archive
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| Subject: | Re: Mode C veil question |
In a message dated 1/16/06 8:57:43 AM Central Standard Time,
jtriddle(at)adelphia.net writes:
>
> Part 103 is very specific about operating rules including where it
> cannot operate legally. See
> http://www.ultralighthomepage.com/FAR.part103.html
>
> Specifically see the following section:
> Sec. 103.17 Operations in certain airspace.
>
> No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within an airport
> traffic
> area, control zone, airport radar service area, terminal control area,
> or
> positive control area unless that person has prior authorization from
> the air
> traffic control facility having jurisdiction over that airspace.
>
> The areas referred to in this section I think would include the area
> within the Mode C Veil.
>
> Thom in Buffalo
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>
Good point Thom. That was my original concern. The mode C veil out of MCO
gobbles up almost all of Central Florida. The questions I asked were directed to
both Orlando FAA and the tower at SFB (Sanford). Sanford CT had no problem
with operating right up to the edge of their 5 mile ring as long as I did not
loiter in the approach end of the active runway. The FAA said that the mode C
ring was not to be confused with a controlled area. This issue is not much of
a factor for me anymore because I have moved my flight area to Winter Haven
but I would be interested if the explanation that I got was correct. In
other words, Can a UL operate within a Mode C Veil with no prior permission
provided that he stays outside of other controlled airspace?
Steve B
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
>
>With all the talk about VG's I haven't heard anything about how
>they're to be lined up fore-and-aft. Any specs on this? If they're
>straight into the wind I don't believe they'll do diddley. Look at a
>commercial jet's wings -- esp. the 727. The VG's are twisted about
>10-15 degrees. They are after all meant to create turbulence right at
>the boundary layer -- how can they do this if they're edge-onto the
>apparent wind?
Russ,
I developed my VG's from an old EAA Sport Aviation article. They said 15
degrees and that is what I used. As I recall, they gave a height
measurement (3/8 of an inch) but no other measurements, but they did include
a photo in the article. It showed a single vane VG and an old fashion lead
pencil with the eraser end next to the VG. By scanning in the photo and
re-sizing the photo and comparing pencil eraser lengths, I was able
determine the VG length. I used a trapezoidal shape the VG vane pairs
because they will not work the fabric as hard as single vane a VG.
All I can say is that they seem to work very well. One could make them
taller and wider, but doing so would increase VG weight and drag. If you
want to maintain the same top and/or cruise speed, it is important to
minimize VG drag. It must be less or equal to the drag reduction that occurs
by flying the wing at a lower angle of attack due to the wings increase in
lift capability for a given air speed.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
At 10:35 AM 1/16/2006, you wrote:
>
>With all the talk about VG's I haven't heard anything about how
>they're to be lined up fore-and-aft. Any specs on this? If they're
>straight into the wind I don't believe they'll do diddley. Look at a
>commercial jet's wings -- esp. the 727. The VG's are twisted about
>10-15 degrees. They are after all meant to create turbulence right at
>the boundary layer -- how can they do this if they're edge-onto the
>apparent wind?
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>From: russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net>
>
>With all the talk about VG's I haven't heard anything about how
>they're to be lined up fore-and-aft. Any specs on this? If they're
>straight into the wind I don't believe they'll do diddley. Look at a
>commercial jet's wings -- esp. the 727. The VG's are twisted about
>10-15 degrees. They are after all meant to create turbulence right at
>the boundary layer -- how can they do this if they're edge-onto the
>apparent wind?
This is from http://www.landshorter.com/index.html
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elevator. In all cases the VG's are placed at a precise angle to the
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What they look like on a Kolbish Aircraft
http://sos.photosite.com/Album1/
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| From: | "mike moulai" <kiwimick(at)sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
I have got the VG's approved on the MIII X in the UK and they are now
standard fit on all.
See www.landshorter.com they do exactly what they say they will do.
These are what we use, they are designed in a wind tunnel, and you can
hardly see them, and they weigh almost nothing.
Cheers
Mike
Xtra/Jab2200
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:11 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS
>
> From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> X-Generated-By: M2F: m2f.sourceforge.net
> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:11:21 -0800
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
> With all the people using vortex generators out there, I was hoping to get
> a little more information.
>
> It seems that I definately want them, so what I need to know now is which
> ones are the best. I hear of kits, I see some people make thier own. I
> just dont know which design of vortex generator works the best.
>
> Also, how many should I put on the wing, and what is the best location ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael A. Bigelow
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> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
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| From: | "jdmurr(at)juno.com" <jdmurr(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | "Fat" and two-place Ultralights |
I just read this:
--The two-seat ultralight Exemption for ultralight training will expire on January
31, 2008.
-All "fat" single seat ultralights and all two-seat ultralight trainers must be
converted to "experimental" LSA by August 31, 2007.
This is going to affect a lot of us. Two place is pretty obvious, but how are
they going to determine who is "fat" without having weigh stations like they do
for trucks?
I just read this:
--The two-seat ultralight Exemption for ultralight training will expire on January
31, 2008.
-All "fat" single seat ultralights and all two-seat ultralight trainers must be
converted to "experimental" LSA by August 31, 2007.
This is going to affect a lot of us. Two place is pretty obvious, but how are they
going to determine who is "fat" without having weigh stations like they do
for trucks?
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| From: | "Ralph" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: "Fat" and two-place Ultralights |
-- "jdmurr(at)juno.com" wrote:
I just read this:
--The two-seat ultralight Exemption for ultralight training will expire on January
31, 2008.
-All "fat" single seat ultralights and all two-seat ultralight trainers must be
converted to "experimental" LSA by August 31, 2007.
This is going to affect a lot of us. Two place is pretty obvious, but how are
they going to determine who is "fat" without having weigh stations like they do
for trucks?
Many single seaters have a 503 (50hp) engine and a 10 gallon tank. That's a dead
give away right there as Part 103 requires 5-gallons and *usually* a 447 engine
(40hp) or less power.
Ralph
Original Firestar
19 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks everyone !
I really like what im hearing from you guys about vortex generators, im going to get the ones from www.landshorter.com They are well tested, of optimum height, shape, and are known to work well. They are only 100 bucks [Mr. Green] You just cant beat that deal.
I could make them cheaper, and they might be ok, but then again I might make mine to short, to long, etc. etc. Home made Vortex Generators might help, but might not give the full optimization of well tested and optimized generators. www.landshorter.com may just be the best 100 dollars I spend.
Michael Bigelow
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Glaciers are soooo cool
>
Hahahah, I dont think you will find any disagreement there [Laughing]
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
The large tree did a lot to cushion a fall. I will remember that if I ever lose
a wing.
As far as the rock jamming the elevator and causing a DC-9 crash, I beleive that
is just urban legend. I searched all over the place and could not find it...
And it is very far out, as the two elevator halves on the DC-9 move independently
of each other... If you ever see them taxing out sometimes you see one
half up and the other down...
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| From: | "Mark" <mshimei(at)netzero.net> |
I installed a set of VGs on my Twinstar.......WHAT A DIFFERENCE!! Plane now stalls
38 power on,down from 45. Aileron control is more solid,used to have a dead
spot in the middle a foot wide(or so it seemed).
I tried these without expecting a lot,and got great results. I dont know how
other Kolbs fly without them. That flat bottomed,sharp LE wing has some bad points
too....the VGs seem to fix them...
--------
Mark Shimei
Twinstar, 503
Phantom, Kawasaki 440
Weight shift Quick, Chrysler
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Aileron control is more solid,used to have a dead spot in the middle a
foot wide(or so it seemed).
I dont know how other Kolbs fly without them.
That flat bottomed,sharp LE wing has some bad points too....the VGs
seem to fix them...
|
| Mark Shimei
Hi Mark:
Please tell us about the dead spot in your ailerons and how the VG's
improved this seemingly dangerous problem.
Somehow there are a lot more Kolbs flying without VG's than with them.
I don't know how we fly without them. ;-)
Would also be very nice to know what these bad point of the Kolb wing
are, and how the VG's fixed them. To state that a wing has bad points
does not help us understand the problem.
john h
MKIII
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| From: | owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
From: "Mark" <mshimei(at)netzero.net>
X-Generated-By: M2F: m2f.sourceforge.net
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:23:23 -0800
Jet pilot,
Look up Possums on this site. I installed VGs on my Twinstar and the results are
outstanding. I cut 80 of them from thin plastic,1" long,1/4" high. Found a
template and installed them along the entire wing. Do it.
--------
Mark Shimei
Twinstar, 503
Phantom, Kawasaki 440
Weight shift Quick, Chrysler
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| From: | owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
X-Generated-By: M2F: m2f.sourceforge.net
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:33:15 -0800
Mark wrote:
> Jet pilot,
> Look up Possums on this site.
>
>
I get like 1000 hits back when I search "possums", someone with that name posts
a lot !!!
Mark wrote:
>
>
> Weight shift Quick, Chrysler
>
Oh my gawd [Shocked] The weight shift quicksilver was my first solo !! I had
one of those in high school. Do you still fly that ? Talk about a peice
of history ! Tell me more about it [Mr. Green]
Michael A. Bigelow
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Other Kolbs fly pretty good without them. Better than most any thing
else in it's class. But nothing made by man is perfect, and improvement
is always possible. VG's fall into that category.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Mark wrote:
>
>I installed a set of VGs on my Twinstar.......WHAT A DIFFERENCE!! Plane now stalls
38 power on,down from 45. Aileron control is more solid,used to have a dead
spot in the middle a foot wide(or so it seemed).
> I tried these without expecting a lot,and got great results. I dont know how
other Kolbs fly without them. That flat bottomed,sharp LE wing has some bad points
too....the VGs seem to fix them...
>
>--------
>Mark Shimei
>Twinstar, 503
>Phantom, Kawasaki 440
>Weight shift Quick, Chrysler
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4542#4542
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Other Kolbs fly pretty good without them. Better than most any
thing
| else in it's class. But nothing made by man is perfect, and
improvement
| is always possible. VG's fall into that category.
|
| Richard Pike
Richard:
Would be very interesting to do a side by side comparison, two of same
model Kolb aircraft, rather than individual tests that present results
to the List based on their inprecise methods of testing.
I would be more than happy to participate in such a test, as the Kolb
without VG's. Even side by side would not be precise, but would seem
to me much better than what we have now. Based on what I have read
and seen on the List and the internet, I don't think I'll run right
out and start sticking VG's on Miss P'fer. I guess I have seen Kolbs
fly with them, but have not paid that much particular attention at the
time. Wasn't any noticeable difference in performance between with
and without. However, if I could get up close to a MKIII that had
them, compare take off, cruise, slow flight, short landings, etc.,
then I would be better prepared to make a semi-educated decision about
VG's.
If me and Miss P'fer are put to shame, I'll run right out, get a
bucket full of VG's and start sticking.
Take care,
john h
Naked MKIII
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
John,
Seeing how the take off and landing performance of Miss Pfer is already
beyond the stock Mk-3 due to your gear mods, a side by side comparison with
most any other Mk-3 with VGs would be worthless.
Why don't you just make a bucket full of em out of Lexan and stick em on
with double sided tape (outside the prop arc of course) and let us know your
results.
I don't have them either but if Possums and brother Pike say they work, I
tend to beleive them.
Again, I am not endorsing their use nor do I plan on installing them but
their benifits on all types of planes seem to be fact, not fiction and you
yourself are well known to want the most out of your bird. After all your
mods, it seems like temporarily sticking a few VGs on your wings would be
childs play.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VG's
>
> | Other Kolbs fly pretty good without them. Better than most any
> thing
> | else in it's class. But nothing made by man is perfect, and
> improvement
> | is always possible. VG's fall into that category.
> |
> | Richard Pike
>
> Richard:
>
> Would be very interesting to do a side by side comparison, two of same
> model Kolb aircraft, rather than individual tests that present results
> to the List based on their inprecise methods of testing.
>
> I would be more than happy to participate in such a test, as the Kolb
> without VG's. Even side by side would not be precise, but would seem
> to me much better than what we have now. Based on what I have read
> and seen on the List and the internet, I don't think I'll run right
> out and start sticking VG's on Miss P'fer. I guess I have seen Kolbs
> fly with them, but have not paid that much particular attention at the
> time. Wasn't any noticeable difference in performance between with
> and without. However, if I could get up close to a MKIII that had
> them, compare take off, cruise, slow flight, short landings, etc.,
> then I would be better prepared to make a semi-educated decision about
> VG's.
>
> If me and Miss P'fer are put to shame, I'll run right out, get a
> bucket full of VG's and start sticking.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> Naked MKIII
>
>
> --
>
>
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| From: | Robert Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: transponder cert |
It was alleged by Rev Pike that I should know the method used at the
ATCBS interrogator site in setting the "zero" altitude. Perhaps his
memory is more solid-state then mine, because it has been some 55
years since I cogitated about ATCRS. It's like someone asking an OF
a question about modern computer memory, when his experiences ended
with ATARI.
The station setting refers to 29.92 in Hg. Digital circuitry
automatically alters (add or subtracts) the site pressure setting for
display on the controllers' scopes. The plane's Mode C altitude
sensor is based (hardwired) on 29.82, however the pilot's altitude
readout displays his altitude as referenced to baro setting at the
departure point (or enroute when given a different alt. set.).
There are two classes of alt encoders: mechanical (a bellows drives a
code wheel) or the pressure-chip design (an integrated circuit chip
with pressure sensitive component). These are called Blind encoders
because there is no outward indication. The pilot's readout can have
hands driven by the mechanical type, with a setting nob that only
affects his display.
And yes, the hundreds may click over at 50', considering the short
term accuracy of the alt. encoders and their vibrating mounting.
Once I had a stuck D4 pulse in my altitude reply, causing O'Hare to
think I was at some 30,000' inbound in a Cardinal...my alt said 4,000.
Bob N.
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="John Hauck]
However, if I could get up close to a MKIII that had
them, compare take off, cruise, slow flight, short landings, etc.,
then I would be better prepared to make a semi-educated decision about
VG's.
[/quote]
Hi John
It wont be to long before my MK III is finished with VG's on it. Im sure we will
meet up at a flyin one day and you will be welcome to try it and see if you
like them.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Seeing how the take off and landing performance of Miss Pfer is
already
| beyond the stock Mk-3 due to your gear mods, a side by side
comparison with
| most any other Mk-3 with VGs would be worthless.
Got stock wings, tail, and an 11 lb tail wheel. ;-) Not going to fly
any sooner than stock. Don't see how the main gear are going to give
it a lower stall speed/approach speed.
| Why don't you just make a bucket full of em out of Lexan and stick
em on
| with double sided tape (outside the prop arc of course) and let us
know your
| results.
Don't have time right now.
| I don't have them either but if Possums and brother Pike say they
work, I
| tend to beleive them.
I also believe them, but would be nice to be there and fly with them
to compare the difference in real time rather than cyber time on the
internet.
After all your
| mods, it seems like temporarily sticking a few VGs on your wings
would be
| childs play.
Seems that way, but it ain't. What mods are you talking about? I
haven't changed any flight characteristic of a MKIII from what was
called for in the 1991 edition of the plans. I don't mess with
Homer's flight characteristics and never have.
Shucks, I thought a good fly off comparison would be a good way to get
a good idea of what I am missing.
john h
Looking for a little comparison.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| It wont be to long before my MK III is finished with VG's on it.
Im sure we will meet up at a flyin one day and you will be welcome to
try it and see if you like them.
|
| Michael A. Bigelow
Thanks Mike:
One of these days I'll get to make a comparison. Guess I am going to
have to be patient.
john h
MKIII
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
At 09:33 PM 1/16/2006, you wrote:
>
>From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
>
> > Look up Possums on this site.
>
>I get like 1000 hits back when I search
>"possums", someone with that name posts a lot !!!
----------------------
It's not all me - You just picked up listers mentioning my name.
Here's all I ever Posted about VG's
I'll just cut and paste from the archives - sorry
to repeat myself =96 but you asked.
Here's what they look like. You'll have to look close
they're small.
<http://sos.photosite.com/Album1
I didn't expect them to do a lot - so I put them on with the
Double stick tape so I could remove them later. They're clear lexan
and the tape matches my wing color - so you don't really notice
them. They are pretty small and don't have any sharp pointed edges
like the "homemade" ones do. My average cord
(including the ailerons) is about 60 inches.
The instructions say to use double stick tape until you
find the optimum location or "sweet spot" and then glue them
later. I think I will just leave them stuck on with the tape I got
at the auto paint shop - it seems pretty strong. However mineral
spirts seems to loosen & dissolve the glue if I ever want o move
them or take them off.
Automotive Acrylic Plus Attachment Tape
It took more time to put the tape on each VG than it did
to put the VGs on the plane.
I was very impressed - and am going to leave them on.
On take off I can point the nose up almost 35 degrees
and hold the air speed just over 30 mph and it seems to just hang
on the prop, and it really does seem to knock about 6 or 7 mph off my
stall speed. Got a $30 Hall speed indicator out side the
plane - it's more accurate than the one inside.
I was just surprised at what these little things would actually do for
the amount of time and money invested. And like Jeremy says it's not
just that you can fly slower, it's "how well" you can fly slower
that=92s what most impressed to me. 30 mph no mush. I fly my plane slow
- a lot.
I have a 27' 9" wing span - actually have 42 on each
wing. I'll have to count them. Bought a hundred got about 18 left over.
So I put two in each valley and used the 2.75 inch spacing guide
to "kind of space them out" between each rib and false rib etc.
Just a guess, but it seemed to work out OK.
Wasn't really sure which one to use since I have
scalloped wings and can't just space them out
evenly over the length of the wings like you might do on a Cub.
The instructions say VG's should be placed about 1% of the wingspan apart.
The instructions say put them on 10 to 12% of the
wing cord (including the ailerons) back from the
leading edge. Too far forward and they will slow
down the cruise speed, too far back and they become ineffective.
I put mine about 11% or 6 1/2 inches back from the leading edge as measured
through the middle of the cord of the wing. I used the T-square method -
like Ben Ransom did on his homemade ones -for the set back and put
them about 6 1/2 inches back from the LE.
It takes two of these to equal on of the homemade ones.
Guess it'll cost you $100 to find out if they work for you.
Oh -- BTW I've got a $35 "Hall ASI" on my nose cone, Air Speed Indicator
in the Instrument panel and Garmon GPS 295 inside.
So I'm pretty sure my airspeed is right, but the Hall is the most accurate.
Before the VG's my stall speed was only around 36 mph - so don't
expect miracles.
Mine didn't pick up any bad tendencies.
Just a lower stallspeed. A lot more control a
just above stall. I used the little lexan
"Landshorter" ones - about 42 + per wing, used the pattern they
sent for the layout.
This weekend I've got my stall speed down to 28 mph with the VGs true air
speed with a Hall Air Speed Indicator located on the out side of the
cockpit. There were about 100 sail boats on one of our local lakes here
for the holidays. I can do a controlled 30 degree turn at 30 mph with these
things which is kind of amazing. With a 12 mph hour head wind I was
almost lagging behind some of the larger sail boats at 200 ft AGL. You guys
got to try these things if you like to fly low and slow and don't want to
mush anymore. I know they can't see my engine from the ground because
it's above the wing, they can't see the prop - because it's spinning - they
can hardly hear me at 4300 rpm --- so I I'm a UFO or from the skunk works
to some of them.
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
At 09:33 PM 1/16/2006, you wrote:
>
>Mark wrote:
>
>I get like 1000 hits back when I search "possums", someone with that
>name posts a lot !!!
I don't like to brag, but with any kind of decent head wind - I can lower a
beer down to my friends on the ground - with a fishing line.
With a good head wind I can land "tail first" at our 900 ft strip.
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| From: | Robert Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
With a really good wind, I can fill a beer bottle with my relief tube
being held by the Line Boy.
Bob N.
pls don't archive
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> I don't like to brag, but with any kind of decent head wind - I can lower a
> beer down to my friends on the ground - with a fishing line.
>
> With a good head wind I can land "tail first" at our 900 ft strip.
>
If possum says it, he can do it.
If I wear my possum shirt (honorary possum, see attached photo) I can do the same
thing.
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> With a really good wind, I can fill a beer bottle with my relief tube
> being held by the Line Boy.
>
> Bob N.
>
If the Grey Baron says he can do it, I believe it too!!!
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
No photo attached! -- now I'm curious --
On Jan 16, 2006, at 11:15 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
>> I don't like to brag, but with any kind of decent head wind - I
>> can lower a
>> beer down to my friends on the ground - with a fishing line.
>>
>> With a good head wind I can land "tail first" at our 900 ft strip.
>>
>
>
> If possum says it, he can do it.
>
> If I wear my possum shirt (honorary possum, see attached photo) I
> can do the same thing.
>
> --------
> John Hauck
> MKIII/912ULS
> hauck's holler, alabama
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4612#4612
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/possum_337.jpg
>
>
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Russ/all, click on the .jpg
That's the best feature of the new web site, our ability to link
pics direct from the old email (which I continue to use)
-BB
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VG's
>
>
>
>
> | Seeing how the take off and landing performance of Miss Pfer is
> already
> | beyond the stock Mk-3 due to your gear mods, a side by side
> comparison with
> | most any other Mk-3 with VGs would be worthless.
>
> Got stock wings, tail, and an 11 lb tail wheel. ;-) Not going to fly
> any sooner than stock. Don't see how the main gear are going to give
> it a lower stall speed/approach speed.
>
John,
I was refering to your post regarding take off and landing distance
comparisons between your bird and other Mk-3s, your gear allows you to land
shorter and take off sooner as you get your wing into a higher angle of
attack than a stock Mk-3. Remenber? ;-) Not to menyion the experience
advantage you would have over any other Kolb pilot.
Of course side by side flight comparisons of stall speeds would be pretty
worthless also unless the planes were ballasted to the same weight and
balance.
> | Why don't you just make a bucket full of em out of Lexan and stick
> em on
> | with double sided tape (outside the prop arc of course) and let us
> know your
> | results.
>
> Don't have time right now.
I can relate to that! :-(
>
> | I don't have them either but if Possums and brother Pike say they
> work, I
> | tend to beleive them.
>
> I also believe them, but would be nice to be there and fly with them
> to compare the difference in real time rather than cyber time on the
> internet.
Thats why I encourage you to try it on Pfer, with your experience in your
bird there is no doubt you would detect the effects.
>
> After all your
> | mods, it seems like temporarily sticking a few VGs on your wings
> would be
> | childs play.
>
> Seems that way, but it ain't.
What mods are you talking about? I haven't changed any flight
characteristic of a MKIII from what was
> called for in the 1991 edition of the plans. I don't mess with
> Homer's flight characteristics and never have.
The gear, fuel, and cargo, mods of course, just noting that after building
and rebuilding three Kolb aircraft over the years, spending a day making,
taping on and testing VGs is no biggy. Also, I don't feel that adding VGs
to make the wing hold on a little longer or the ailerons more responsive is
messing with Homers design, any more than Rutan messed with his by putting
them on an EZ canard.
>
> Shucks, I thought a good fly off comparison would be a good way to get
> a good idea of what I am missing.
It would be cool, but hearing your results on the effects on your bird would
be a more valid test in my opinion.
Later
Denny
>
> john h
> Looking for a little comparison.
>
>
> --
>
>
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| From: | "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net> |
Hey Russ, I'm about 60+ miles from Ellery And I can tell you , "yoy can't
get Theya from heya"
Vic
MK3X
Smellinocket,Me
--
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| Subject: | Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
Group,
Seems like we don't want to think about "choices". We would rather convince ourselves
that it couldn't happen to us, because Quicksilvers are so different from
our Kolbs.
Well, I learned to fly in a two place Quick, and owned two single place Quicks,
including a Sprint. IMO they are more similar than different. Even though they
have a steep angle of descent, they also climb at twice our angle.
What we do share are the decissions. How much weight should we carry from what
length runway? Should we wear helmets? How low should we fly over rugged terrain?
Do we carry passengers low and slow?
I suspect that I am wasting my time with this thread.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| From: | "Steve Garvelink" <link(at)cdc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport |
In the early 1980's I flew a weight shift quick with a 15 hp Yamaha. I
learned more about flying from that craft than any other I have flown.
It was a blast but it was very unforgiving in the area of landing. You
had to have maximum speed coming over the numbers in order to flair
properly. There was not much range between wide open flight speed and
stall. I suspect that the individual was in a controlled mush that
resulted in an incredible decent into the ground. I could be wrong but
he probably would have been all right had he kept adequate flight speed.
Steve Garvelink
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jung
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Choices we make and the downside to our sport
Group,
Seems like we don't want to think about "choices". We would rather
convince ourselves that it couldn't happen to us, because Quicksilvers
are so different from our Kolbs.
Well, I learned to fly in a two place Quick, and owned two single place
Quicks, including a Sprint. IMO they are more similar than different.
Even though they have a steep angle of descent, they also climb at twice
our angle.
What we do share are the decissions. How much weight should we carry
from what length runway? Should we wear helmets? How low should we fly
over rugged terrain? Do we carry passengers low and slow?
I suspect that I am wasting my time with this thread.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Mode C Veil Question |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
Richard Pike wrote:
> I disagree.
> An ultralight is a vehicle, it is not an aircraft,
I think I disagree (brave aren't I?)...
103.1 Applicability says:
This part prescribes rules governing the operation of ultralight vehicles in the
United States. For the purposes of this part, an ultralight vehicle is a vehicle
that:
(a) Is used or intended to be used for manned operation in the air by a single
occupant;
and FAR 1.1 says:
Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air.
It appears to me that an ultralight vehicle is a vehicle that is used or intended
to be used for flight in the air.
But, I've been wrong before...
DVD
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
Group,
Here is my reaction to all this talk about VG's. I just ordered a set from Landshorter.com.
Actually, VGs have been on my list for a long time now, I just decided
that it is time.
And it won't be the first time for VGs on my Firestar. I used a set of the flashing
type for a few days. At that time I was not happy with either the looks or
the performance. The performance problem was caused, I believe, by my putting
them only in front of the ailerons. I chose the Landshorter ones because they
don't look so bad.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Another camera-phone video ! |
| From: | "Noel" <noel(at)teledata.qc.ca> |
Hello Group !
I am sending another small video made with my camera phone ...
This is an in-flight video captured near Montreal, Canada.
The visibility was only about 6 miles.
This is a good demonstration of the fantastic angle of view that our little
plane offer ...
Notice that i was bare handed ... so not that cold guys [Wink]
Noel Bouchard
Montreal
1990 Twinstar MkII
Rotax 503 (point ignition ... yes)
Rebuilt last year
~ 325 hrs
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| From: | "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Overreving 582 |
How about Prop pitch? Remember I'm just an ex carpenter.
Vic P
MK3X
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Thats where im ordering mine from ( www.landshorter.com )
The shape and size of those things has to be critical [Shocked] If you made
them and got the angles, sizes, etc wrong, I can immagine they didnt work very
well. Landshorter.com says they tested in the wind tunnel to get everything
right... For all the research, and optmization they have done, 100 bucks is
a bargain. Even if I can make the vortex generators for free, If I have to spend
days and days getting them right, the cost becomes huge in time lost.
Also just putting the vortex generators just front of the ailerons only covers
less than 40 % of the wing. You cannot expect much with just covering 40% of
the wing... you need to cover the whole thing ! Also the distance from the leading
edge is critical, if you anyone gets any one of these things wrong the
results could prove very dissapointing [Evil or Very Mad]
Michael A. Bigelow
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NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
Having played with a variety of vortex generator setups on Kolb wings,
both MKIII and FSII, my experience is exactly the opposite. Nothing
worked worse than stock, everything gave at least some improvement, and
certain arrangements seemed optimum, or at least within my creative
abilities.
None of it was time lost. None. It was fun experimenting. That's why
they are called "Experimental Aircraft." Because you can have fun
experimenting with them. And if it is a Kolb airfoil, it tolerates
experimenting very well.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
JetPilot wrote:
>
>Thats where im ordering mine from ( www.landshorter.com )
>
>The shape and size of those things has to be critical [Shocked] If you made
them and got the angles, sizes, etc wrong, I can immagine they didnt work very
well. Landshorter.com says they tested in the wind tunnel to get everything
right... For all the research, and optmization they have done, 100 bucks is
a bargain. Even if I can make the vortex generators for free, If I have to spend
days and days getting them right, the cost becomes huge in time lost.
>
>Also just putting the vortex generators just front of the ailerons only covers
less than 40 % of the wing. You cannot expect much with just covering 40% of
the wing... you need to cover the whole thing ! Also the distance from the
leading edge is critical, if you anyone gets any one of these things wrong the
results could prove very dissapointing [Evil or Very Mad]
>
>Michael A. Bigelow
>
>--------
>NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=4823#4823
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
Hi Rev. Pike,
I agree. The variety of shapes and configurations for various
mfgr's VG's is amazing. I've flown with at least 3 different makes on GA
aircraft, mainly Cessna 400-series and Piper twins. Some run parallel down
the entire wing, some are on just half the wing, others are paired in 'V'
shapes, and some can be found on the bottom of the horizontal stab. They
even have directions if a few fall off - just fly the aircraft as if there
are no VG's. Some did give a more pronounced stall break, but the over-all
improvements in handling were worth the trade-off.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS
>
> Having played with a variety of vortex generator setups on Kolb wings,
> both MKIII and FSII, my experience is exactly the opposite. Nothing
> worked worse than stock, everything gave at least some improvement, and
> certain arrangements seemed optimum, or at least within my creative
> abilities.
>
> None of it was time lost. None. It was fun experimenting. That's why
> they are called "Experimental Aircraft." Because you can have fun
> experimenting with them. And if it is a Kolb airfoil, it tolerates
> experimenting very well.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> JetPilot wrote:
>
>>
>>Thats where im ordering mine from ( www.landshorter.com )
>>
>>The shape and size of those things has to be critical [Shocked] If you
>>made them and got the angles, sizes, etc wrong, I can immagine they didnt
>>work very well. Landshorter.com says they tested in the wind tunnel to
>>get everything right... For all the research, and optmization they have
>>done, 100 bucks is a bargain. Even if I can make the vortex generators
>>for free, If I have to spend days and days getting them right, the cost
>>becomes huge in time lost.
>>
>>Also just putting the vortex generators just front of the ailerons only
>>covers less than 40 % of the wing. You cannot expect much with just
>>covering 40% of the wing... you need to cover the whole thing ! Also the
>>distance from the leading edge is critical, if you anyone gets any one of
>>these things wrong the results could prove very dissapointing [Evil or
>>Very Mad]
>>
>>Michael A. Bigelow
>>
>>--------
>>NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
>>!!!
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| From: | Ted Cowan <trc1917(at)Direcway.com> |
was wondering if anyone has ever made a good comparison between IVO, 64" and
a Warp prop of the same length. I am curious as I have an IVO and my buddy
has a Warp on his SlingShot. He has better climb, cruise and gas mileage
than I do. I am a heavier plane but he is larger in size. Anyone make a
direct, try one, take it off and try another type comparison on a Kolb that
would compare to the SlingShot? Would be happy to hear. Ted Cowan, Alabama
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Overreving 582 |
>
>Sounds like an air leak to me.
>
>Denny
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <EnaudZ(at)aol.com>
If not an air leak, check for momentary fuel system constriction problems.
Look for water in the bottom of the float bowl, blow out or replace the fuel
filter, check fuel pressure, your pump may be marginal for the higher flow
rates.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Overreving 582 |
Jack has a point here, if the fuel pump is not keeping up with demand at
full throttle, the float bowel level could be dropping enough to lean the
mixture causing the engine to rev slightly. Between the lean burn being
hotter and lack of lubricating fuel oil mix this could lead to a seizure on
climb out. Not good.
Regardless I'll bet its one of the problems mentioned by Earl, Jack or
myself, please let us know what you find.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Overreving 582
>
>>
>>Sounds like an air leak to me.
>>
>>Denny
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <EnaudZ(at)aol.com>
>
> If not an air leak, check for momentary fuel system constriction problems.
> Look for water in the bottom of the float bowl, blow out or replace the
> fuel
> filter, check fuel pressure, your pump may be marginal for the higher flow
> rates.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Sizes and locations of vortex generators are going to be different for each different
aircraft. VG's will probably be an improvement no matter what, but to
get the OPTIMUM benefit, they need to be of the correct size, shape, and placement
on the wing.
The vortex generators sold by www.landshorter.com seem to be designed for airplanes close to our size and speed range, so im figuring they are going to get the sizes and shapes closer to optimum than I could by cutting my own.
Michael A. Bigelow
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NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
> The vortex generators sold by www.landshorter.com seem to be
designed for airplanes close
to our size and speed range,
Have they actually designed them for a Kolb and if so are the test
results available and verifiable from an unbiased source?
Do not
archive
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| Subject: | Opportunity to Comment: Light Sport Amphibs... |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
Received this from the SPA this morning... This affects Kolbs on amphibs too...
Seaplane Pilots Association to david
More options 8:19 am (5 minutes ago)
Dear Members:
** Comments due this coming Tuesday, January 24, 2006 **
A petition by Czech Aircraft Works for exemption from current Light Sport rules
opens a new opportunity for members to encourage the FAA to accept amphibious
landing gear on light sport aircraft, but the window for comments is very tight!
The petition seeks certification of the Czech Aircraft Works Mermaid with an exemption
to permit amphibious landing gear. Czech Aircraft Works has been denied
S-LSA certification on grounds that the airplane's amphibious landing gear can
be repositioned in flight. The Seaplane Pilots Association first warned potential
buyers and manufacturers that FAA verbal claims about the acceptability
of amphibious landing gear were not backed by the written Light Sport rules in
2004. The FAA has since acknowledged that the Light Sport rules as written do
not permit amphibious operations, and has repeatedly indicated that the rule's
language was a mistake that would be corrected. To date, no correction has
been made.
Czech Aircraft Work's petition gives the public an opportunity to provide official
comments to the FAA in support of permitting amphibious landing gear on Light
Sport Aircraft. If approved, the petition will also clear the way for further
exemptions and/or accelerate revision of the Light Sport rules.
For more information about this issue, including how to comment, visit SPA's Issue Brief at http://www.seaplanes.org/advocacy/lsamphib.htm.
Michael Volk
President
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| From: | Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
<< I really like what im hearing from you guys about vortex generators, im
going to get the ones from www.landshorter.com They are well tested, of
optimum height, shape, and are known to work well. They are only 100 bucks
[Mr. Green] You just cant beat that deal. Michael Bigelow >>
Michael -
I bought a set of the Landshorter VGs, but have not yet installed them on my
Kolb. For a hundred bucks, it's worth it (to me) for the time I'd save
compared to manufacturing a set from scratch. They are single-fin VGs, made
of clear Lexan
The instructions recommend a spacing interval of 2.5 to 3 inches. However,
I am contemplating the idea of placing one VG in each valley, for a total of
28 per wing for a Mark-III. I wonder if this spacing would still allow the
VGs to be effective?
Has anybody else on the Kolb List installed the Landshorter VGs?
If so, how did you space them?
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul
New Mexico
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
I really like what
im hearing from you guys about vortex generators, im going to get the ones from
www.landshorter.com They
are well tested, of optimum height, shape, and are known to work well.
They are only 100 bucks [Mr. Green] You just cant beat that
deal. Michael Bigelow
Michael
I bought a set of the
Landshorter VGs, but have not yet installed them on my Kolb. For a
hundred bucks, its worth it (to me) for the time Id save compared
to manufacturing a set from scratch. They are single-fin VGs, made of
clear Lexan
The instructions recommend
a
spacing interval of 2.5 to 3 inches. However, I am contemplating the idea
of placing one VG in each valley, for a total of 28 per wing for a Mark-III.
I wonder if this spacing would still allow the VGs to be effective?
Has anybody else on the Kolb
List installed the Landshorter VGs?
If so, how did you space
them?
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul
New Mexico
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland. wrote:
> I bought a set of the Landshorter VGs, but have not yet installed them on my
Kolb. For a hundred bucks, it's worth it (to me) for the time I'd save compared
to manufacturing a set from scratch. They are single-fin VGs, made of clear
Lexan
> Has anybody else on the Kolb List installed the Landshorter VGs?
I installed Lexan type VGs on my experimental Super Cub and wished I had gone with
metal (like on my Firestar)... In the process of cleaning the wings, three
times I broke the Lexan VGs and had to replace them... They're not as flexible
as they look...
DVD
--------
Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us> |
| Subject: | VW powered Kolbs... |
Well there is at least one other VW powered Kolb on the planet...it
isn't very healthy right now, but here none the less.
http://tinyurl.com/de277
Jeremy Casey
Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
www.kilocharlie.us
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| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us> |
| Subject: | Firefly pictures... |
I am rebuilding an older Firestar KXP and am adding the flaperon system
from the Firefly/Slingshot. Would appreciate any pictures of the
Firefly/Slingshot aileron torque tube in the area of the U-joint.
Jeremy Casey
Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
www.kilocharlie.us
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| From: | "David Kulp" <undoctor(at)rcn.com> |
| Subject: | Wind vs. Ultrastar |
Kolb builders,
We've had severe wind the past few days. Newspaper reported one man lost about
18 evergreen trees. I lost one Ultrastar. I had the wings folded and covered
for winter and a blast of wind tore the left side tiedown and the plane (vehicle)
tipped onto its right side, the front five feet of the right wing leading
edge taking the impact on a rise in the ground. The leading edge is visibly
bowed when sighted from the rear - probably almost an inch in about ten feet
- and the skin shows "waves". The trailing edge of the aileron has a bend straight
in between two of the ribs to where the skin is loose. And the tubing that
shapes the skin where the wing stops at the boom tube is bent in a couple
of inches right about at the chord of the wing.
I bought the aircraft already built, so I haven't had the construction experience
many of you have. I'd appreciate a little insight as to what will be involved
in repairing the damage; what I must do and what I can't do. Be gentle -
I just spent a huge amount of time this past fall rebuilding parts of it and repainting
it and I was soooooo looking forward to spring and being in the air
again.
Thanks for your help,
Dave Kulp
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| From: | "mike moulai" <kiwimick(at)sfmicro.fsnet.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
All,
The Landshorter VG's we have extensively tested and gained approval for on
our Xtra in the UK are spaced at 3" and at 10% of wing chord, this is 225
millimeters back measured from the front apex of the L/E up over the camber.
Hope this helps.
Mike
Xtra/Jab2200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:34 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS
>
>
> << I really like what im hearing from you guys about vortex generators, im
> going to get the ones from www.landshorter.com They are well tested, of
> optimum height, shape, and are known to work well. They are only 100
> bucks
> [Mr. Green] You just cant beat that deal. Michael Bigelow >>
>
>
> Michael -
>
>
> I bought a set of the Landshorter VGs, but have not yet installed them on
> my
> Kolb. For a hundred bucks, it's worth it (to me) for the time I'd save
> compared to manufacturing a set from scratch. They are single-fin VGs,
> made
> of clear Lexan
>
>
> The instructions recommend a spacing interval of 2.5 to 3 inches.
> However,
> I am contemplating the idea of placing one VG in each valley, for a total
> of
> 28 per wing for a Mark-III. I wonder if this spacing would still allow
> the
> VGs to be effective?
>
>
> Has anybody else on the Kolb List installed the Landshorter VGs?
>
> If so, how did you space them?
>
>
> Dennis Kirby
>
> Mark-III, 912ul
>
> New Mexico
>
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> from
> www.landshorter.com They
> are well tested, of optimum height, shape, and are known to work well.
> They are only 100 bucks [Mr. Green] You just cant beat that
> deal. Michael Bigelow
>
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>
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> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I bought a set of the
> Landshorter VGs, but have not yet installed them on my Kolb. For a
> hundred bucks, its worth it (to me) for the time Id save compared
> to manufacturing a set from scratch. They are single-fin VGs, made of
> clear Lexan
>
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>
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> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The instructions
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>
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>
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>
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> space
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>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VW powered Kolbs... |
|
| Thanks for the photo. I would certainly like to know more.
Richard N:
That is an old photo. Was around some years back. The aircraft is in
Norway, Sweden, or some where over there. I do not know any more of
the history of this MKIII.
john h
MKIII
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| From: | Diego Ospina <dospi(at)epm.net.co> |
| Subject: | Mark III on floats |
Hello group,
Is anyone in the list flying a Mark III classic on the Lotus Mono 2000?
Thanks,
Diego Ospina
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
Men..
here was my expierience with VG's
Started out by seeing all the posts here a few years ago and wondering about them...did
a patent search on VG designs.
Discovered a wealth of info at the US patent site.
Much info from Military experiments back in the late 40,s up to current mach capable
birds.
INstalled home-made Vgs in the common fashion discussed here and Kolb list members
websites. Used double sided carpet tape and moved them about 3 times fore
and aft..mostly just to see what would happen.
never took em off after that..only moved them around.
Came to the conclusion that the farther forward you put them...the better your
low speed stall and handleing is, the farthwer back...the higher your rate of
climb was..but the stall speed goes back up some. FireFly could be made to climb
at the angle of a Firestar with VG's.
After a year and a half...and after looseing a few...knocking some off when washing..(they
are a pain in this regard)...bought LandShorters for a hundred bucks.
My opinion is they work better than the ones I made..look better, and are easier
to wash around.
They are on the FireFly permanent as far as I am concerned. IN a nutshell...they
give the FFly a wing of a FStar...without the extra drag. If you try em...its
a no-brainer. You will keep em!
BEst 100 bucks I ever spent on this plane.
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Don G
FireFly#098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5186#5186
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland. wrote:
>
> The instructions recommend a spacing interval of 2.5 to 3 inches. However,
> I am contemplating the idea of placing one VG in each valley, for a total of
> 28 per wing for a Mark-III. I wonder if this spacing would still allow the
> VGs to be effective?
>
>
> Dennis Kirby
>
Putting them in the valleys is probably good, but not at the expense of missing
half of the generators. The instructions say you need X number of generators
for a certain leingth of wing... If you put them in the valleys, and only have
half as many generators as called for, you probably will get aobut half the
benefit from them. Those vorticies need to be over most of the wing, one in
each valley will help, but you are proabably passing up 50% of the benefit doing
it like that. I will put them on as per the instructinos, or maybe inbetween
and on top of each rib if that works out to being very close to what is called
for.
This is just my opinion, I have not tested yet, but I beleive Spacing the vortex
generators to far apart will just limit the amount of wing that they affect,
and limit your benefit from having them...
I would write to the email address on www.landshorter.com They have done all types of testing and im sure they would answer your question far better than I ever could.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | In Flight Relief Systems |
Some time ago there was a discussion about in flight relief systems or.....
the needing to pee and no where to land. An acquaintance suggested a system
that some of our cross country pilots might be interested in. The system is
designed for people (men) with incontinence so the kits may have more than
you might want or need but they sell individual parts.
Check out the following link http://www.arcusmedical.com/afex%20home.htm
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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| From: | "Ron" <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
I've used the Lowrance 2000 for a few months. Best value for a GPS under 1K
(by 1 dollar) great graphics and quick draw rate. I shot a few IFR
approaches with it in heavy stuff (of course having real steam gages ILS
an-all as back up). Big screen nothing but good about it.
You can add terrain avoidance features to it. It may be over kill for flying
a Kolb, but like extra HP, if you need it its there.
Ron
Arizona
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cat36Fly(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:04 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Speaking of GPS
Any opinions out there (silly question) on the best overall GPS unit for
our
type flying? I like the Garmin pilot lll but they are hard to come by now.
Looking at the Garmin 96 and Lowrance 500 but have not been able to see
actual
units yet. Any one using either?
Larry Tasker
N615RT
MKlll x 582
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| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
You are shooting IFR approachs in a Kolb in heavy IMC conditions? Wow that's
bold.
>From: "Ron" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Speaking of GPS
>Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:31:32 -0700
>
>
>I've used the Lowrance 2000 for a few months. Best value for a GPS under 1K
>(by 1 dollar) great graphics and quick draw rate. I shot a few IFR
>approaches with it in heavy stuff (of course having real steam gages ILS
>an-all as back up). Big screen nothing but good about it.
>You can add terrain avoidance features to it. It may be over kill for
>flying
>a Kolb, but like extra HP, if you need it its there.
>
>Ron
>Arizona
>===========================
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cat36Fly(at)aol.com
>Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:04 AM
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Speaking of GPS
>
>
>Any opinions out there (silly question) on the best overall GPS unit for
>our
>type flying? I like the Garmin pilot lll but they are hard to come by now.
>Looking at the Garmin 96 and Lowrance 500 but have not been able to see
>actual
>units yet. Any one using either?
>
>Larry Tasker
>N615RT
>MKlll x 582
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of GPS |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
For our type of flying, an aviation GPS is not really necessary. I use a Garmin
76, and before that the 12XL and the 45. Each was designed for Marine and recreation,
and cost in the $150 range. The main thing we need is to not get lost
and know how long it will take us to get to the next gas station, for fuel planning.
These simpler unit do that very well. Nothing wrong with spending more
money, if you really want to, or if you really teavel a lot, it just isn't necessary
for the flying that most of us do.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | UltraStar For Sale On Ebay... |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
http://tinyurl.com/ag6oj
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of GPS |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
I use an old Magellan GPS with an aviation database... Unfortunately, Magellan
doesn't update the database, so I cross-check it to a current chart before I
rely on the airspace depiction... So far, so good...
DVD
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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Hello EARL
you solved the over rev problem thank you.
do not archive
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| From: | "flht99reh" <flht99reh(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of GPS |
John, well put and thank you. I use a Garmin e-map. I was looking seriously
at the Garmin GPSMAP 172 for around $349 on the internet, new from several
sites. The screen is much larger than the e-map or 96 units and does the job
quite well for a grey shade unit. When you think about it, we as fliers
don't need the complexity of road by road guidance. As a matter of fact,
like the boating community we go "rubber band". Cookies still get laid down,
satellites still give us our position and if you have a map system, roads
and references still exist. As with my no longer produced unit, the Map
source "Roads and Recreation" include ALL airports private or otherwise. Are
they current? I don't know, but for my purposes, this unit should work
exactly like a boat in the air with a road map below that includes altitude
and airports and compass. Go figure! Now, this unit also comes with a mount,
a power cable, a waterproof case, data card capability, WAAS enabled, 3000
waypoints, 10,000 active track points, 50 routes, sends with receives and
displays positioning data with DSC-equipped VHF radio's, Tracks back with
the touch of a button, and (drum roll please) comes complete with a external
antenna!!! (P.S. Garmin, if your monitoring, please send check and new 172
unit for free to me).
I know that John H. and his travels (and they are many) suggests the Garmin
96 or above. They aren't in the budget for most mortal common man. I also
don't know if flying the way I will be flying would need such
sophistication. Maybe in time I will change my thinking but for now, most of
my flying will be within 100 mile range and the terrain, as well as altitude
would be more critical to me when I fly low. Through a mountainous region,
I'm not sure.
Ralph "the other Ralph" Hoover
Kolb Firestar KXP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jung
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:37 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Speaking of GPS
For our type of flying, an aviation GPS is not really necessary. I use a
Garmin 76, and before that the 12XL and the 45. Each was designed for Marine
and recreation, and cost in the $150 range. The main thing we need is to not
get lost and know how long it will take us to get to the next gas station,
for fuel planning. These simpler unit do that very well. Nothing wrong with
spending more money, if you really want to, or if you really teavel a lot,
it just isn't necessary for the flying that most of us do.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Overreving 582 |
That was the loose Crank shaft hub right?
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: <EnaudZ(at)aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:07 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Overreving 582
>
> Hello EARL
> you solved the over rev problem thank you.
> do not archive
>
>
> --
>
>
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| From: | Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi(at)supernet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Overreving 582 |
EnaudZ(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello EARL
> you solved the over rev problem thank you.
> do not archive
I'm glad that I could point you in the right direction. Would you mind
telling us what you found and how you fixed it? Did you just tighten the
nut or did you have to replace the cone or use thread locker?? Which
model gearbox? This kind of information should be shared and archived.
~ Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of GPS |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I would get an aviation GPS lilke the Garmin 196 , or even the 195 can be had for
about 250 bucks on ebay. The advantages to these moving map GPS units is
that you know where the airports are, and can also see the boundries of airspace.
If you fly in new or congested areas, being able to see those airspace boundries
can save you from getting into a lot of trouble [Shocked]
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
What do you guys like better on the MK-III , the classic wing where the flaps and
ailerons are seperated, or the newer setup with flaperons ????
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
I can't speak for the Mark III, but I have had both flaperons and
flaps on my current Firestar and have found the flaps to be much
prefered over the flaperons. The flaperons do not provide near as
much slow flight roll control and stability as the flaps do.
On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:53 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> What do you guys like better on the MK-III , the classic wing where
> the flaps and ailerons are seperated, or the newer setup with
> flaperons ????
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
> have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5399#5399
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
Morning Gang:
Flaps on the MKIII are far more effective than flaperons on the Xtra,
SS, and FF.
I consider my flaps an invaluable tool. Greatly increased the
chances of me getting into a very small area should the engine stop.
Also a good tool to pop up out of soft fields, mud, tall grass, sand,
etc.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: UltraStar For Sale On Ebay... |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
"The wing struts will need new ends put on them, as i found cracks going through
the bolt holes, this makes the plane nonairworthy until properly fixed. "
[Shocked]
Oh my gawd, I wonder how that happened.... Thats really a bad part to have cracking
[Evil or Very Mad]
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Richard Pike wrote:
> I guess it would be almost too obvious to suggest that since there are a
> whole herd of Kolb pilots who have done all sorts of VG testing on
> Kolbs, and know what works, then maybe it might be useful to listen to
> what they are saying and try what they are doing?
>
You could not be more correct. Thats exactly why I started this thread before
buying them :)
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
Is it possible to retro flaps to older Firestars?...
DVD
--------
Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| Subject: | Re: In Flight Relief Systems |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I did 4 hour flights when going cross country in my 150, and my bladder is not
that big [Shocked] I just carried a plastic water bottle, and used that to
pee in. It sure beats making a special landing, and running for the FBO because
I could not hold it anylonger :)
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Glad to hear that, I am putting classic flaps on my MK-III [Mr. Green]
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| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us> |
| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
Is it possible to retro flaps to older Firestars?...
DVD
Don't know about retro...matter of fact I've never heard of ANY Firestar
with separate flaps and ailerons...
Building the surfaces separate would be a no brainer...modifying the
cage to add a flap actuation mechanism would require some thinking...NOT
impossible just some thinking.
Paul Petty...any pictures of how your adding separate flaps and ailerons
on your Kolbra???
Jeremy
Mutant Kolb builder ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us wrote:
> Don't know about retro...matter of fact I've never heard of ANY Firestar with
separate flaps and ailerons...
>
> Building the surfaces separate would be a no brainer...modifying the
> cage to add a flap actuation mechanism would require some thinking...NOT
> impossible just some thinking.
>
> Paul Petty...any pictures of how your adding separate flaps and ailerons
> on your Kolbra???
>
> Jeremy
> Mutant Kolb builder ;-)
Hmmm... Maybe it would be "reinventing the wheel", would an early Firestar benefit
from flaps?...
DVD
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: In Flight Relief Systems |
| I did 4 hour flights when going cross country in my 150, and my
bladder is not that big [Shocked] I just carried a plastic water
bottle, and used that to pee in. It sure beats making a special
landing, and running for the FBO because I could not hold it anylonger
:)
Mike B:
My kind of flying rarely requires long legs. The more I land the more
folks I get to meet. To me, this is what this kind of flying is all
about. My very most max leg is 3.5. Normally, an hour or two is
about right.
Depending on what geographic location, one might have to stretch out
those legs because of lack of airports and fuel.
I don't have enough room in my airplane to try and relieve myself.
Not bragging............. ;-)
john h
MKIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| Hmmm... Maybe it would be "reinventing the wheel", would an early
Firestar benefit from flaps?...
|
| DVD
DVD:
Sure.
However, the original FS was such a good flying airplane, slipped
well, and landed slow.
If I built another one without flaps, I would probably cut the aileron
cord in half. Remembering the FS and US normally stalled at 25 mph,
Homer designed large ailerons to have roll control through the stall,
which they did well.
I did make one change to my ailerons and flaps when I built my MKIII
in 1991. I had been flying the factory MKIII, learning a lot of
little things that I would change on my airplane. One of those was
ailerons. Had more than enough to get the job done. When I laid out
the ailerons and flaps on the bench to build, I first laid out the
stock configuration. Then I took a chalk line, shortened the outboard
aileron chord to a little over 11", striking a line from there to the
stock inboard trailing edge corner of the flap. My think was to
reduce aileron as much as possible and maintaining as much flap as
possible, keeping a nice staight trailing edge. It worked out great.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
John Hauck wrote:
> | Hmmm... Maybe it would be "reinventing the wheel", would an early
> Firestar benefit from flaps?...
> |
> | DVD
>
> DVD: Sure. However, the original FS was such a good flying airplane, slipped
well, and landed slow. john h MKIII
Thanx John...
I realize that every plane's characteristics are different... I landed my Cessna
185 a couple of times without flaps, just to see how it acted, and it wasn't
pretty... On the other side of the coin, I didn't have flaps on my Aeronca
Sedan and I could slip it in as short as my Super Cub... It's part airplane characteristics
and a lot of pilot technique...
DVD
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| From: | ray anderson <rsanoa(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: In Flight Relief Systems |
For true emergencies, I suggest you go to your local drug store or invalid supply
house and purchase the specially shaped plastic bottle with a snap on tight
fitting lid. It is the one you get if you have had any hospital time. It is shaped
so it can be safely used lying down so can be used flying. It is narrow
in shape with an angled upper section. Could be tucked out of sight under the
seat or most anywhere. Being 88, I carry one under the seat of my auto and fortunately
have never had to use it. I've used them many times in hospital stays.
I did 4 hour flights when going cross country in my 150, and my bladder is not
that big [Shocked] I just carried a plastic water bottle, and used that to pee
in. It sure beats making a special landing, and running for the FBO because I
could not hold it anylonger :)
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| Subject: | Re: UltraStar For Sale On Ebay... |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
JetPilot wrote:
> "The wing struts will need new ends put on them, as i found cracks going through
the bolt holes, this makes the plane nonairworthy until properly fixed. "
[Shocked]
>
> Oh my gawd, I wonder how that happened.... Thats really a bad part to have
cracking [Evil or Very Mad]
One difference between the Ultrastars and later Kolb models is that Ultrastars
could be built from plans. That means that much more of the quality of the plane
is determined by the original builder. My guess is that the builder formed
the strut ends, and didn't do them properly.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
> I can't speak for the Mark III, but I have had both flaperons and
> flaps on my current Firestar and have found the flaps to be much
> prefered over the flaperons.
>
Eugene,
Could you tell us about how you installed flaps on a Firestar? I don't recall
hearing about it before.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| Flapperons for me.
|
| Mike
Kiwi Mike:
Why is that? I find the MKIII flaps far more effective than flaperons
on Xtra, SS and FF.
john h
MKIIIc
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
I'm wondering how much different (or not) this will be from the Verner...
DVD
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of man is beyond description.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: In Flight Relief Systems |
| Tell us about the plane full of folks you met at Okracoke when you
stopped.
| :<)
|
| Couldn't resist
| Steven
Steven G/Gang:
Had forgotten about that one.
Seems most every time I get in a hurry, drop in on a strip, stop at
the end away from the FBO, get unzipped and well into the operation,
an unannounced audience usually appears out of no where.
1989, Concord, NH, flying the Firestar through all the New England
States. Had to land, semi-emergency. Spotted Concord, an old WWII
airbase with triangle runways. Landed way on the other side of the
airport from the FBO and air passenger terminal. In those days long
ago, I flew with a Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute that I wore
with normal harness and a bridal attached to the airframe of the FS.
Got the airplane shut down, bridal unhooked, out of the aircraft and
tending to business still wearing the parachute, which made the
operation that much more difficult. About half to completion, I hear
someone calling cadence in the distance. The sound is coming this
way. Around the bushes comes the Concord Running Club, about 30 guys
and gals. I was caught red handed. All I could do was turn my back
to them and pretend they weren't there, with a sheepish grin.
Fast forward September 2003, on a flight with my friends John W, Gary
H, Steven G, John B, to the Kolb Flyin, via Kittyhawk, NC. We were
flying north up the Outter Banks when I got the urge to get rid of all
that coffee I drank for breakfast. We had camped out at Wallace, NC,
the night before, and were now winging our way up Ocracoke Island. I
spied the airstrip and dropped in at the south end. The hurricane had
come through the Outter Banks the week prior. There were large sand
dunes washed up along the sides and at the end of the paved strip.
Hoped out of the MKIII and got half way through my job when hear an
airplane engine heading my way. Sure enough, right on time was a
Cessna full of guys and gals. What do you do? Grin, turn around, and
finish up business.
Might need me one of those inflight emergency relief systems. ;-)
john h
MKIII (large fuel tank, small bladder)
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Thats really great to hear everyone likes the classic flaps better. I think it
was John Hauck that saved me from making a mistake last year when I ordered
my MK-III. I would have gone with the flaperons had it not been for your advice
[Shocked]
I will end up with a much better airplane as a result of this list and a lot of
good advice from John Hauck also :D
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
Michael,
We have put flaps on a Kolbra from the Mark III classic plans. We had to go with
an electric flap motor from a RV8 to make it work though. How far along are
you with your kit? Can you post some photos?
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I ordered the kit with the classic flaps. So whatever setup the standard MK III
C had is what I have got, nothing is changed from the factory setup.
Sorry, I dont have any pictures to post. Photography is one of my hobbies, and
one day I will fill up this server with lots of pictures :) But nothing yet...
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Rotax List ???????????????? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Here on Matronics there is a list for just about every obscure model of aircraft
you can think of, and there is even a Jabiru list, so why is there no Rotax
list ??? [Crying or Very sad]
More of us use Rotax than all other engines put together, I would really like to
see a Rotax List. Does anyone know why the never made a Rotax List ??
Michael A. Bigelow
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| From: | "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com> |
| Subject: | Rotax List ???????????????? |
Matt is very accommodating.
I assume it is because no one has asked him...
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax List ????????????????
Here on Matronics there is a list for just about every obscure model of
aircraft you can think of, and there is even a Jabiru list, so why is there
no Rotax list ??? [Crying or Very sad]
More of us use Rotax than all other engines put together, I would really
like to see a Rotax List. Does anyone know why the never made a Rotax List
??
Michael A. Bigelow
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Rotax List ???????????????? |
True. No one every asked for a Rotax List. Seems like a great idea. I'll be
adding a couple of other lists as well, hopefully this weekend, and I will add
a "rotax-list" to the line up. Thanks for the suggestion!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin
At 09:07 AM 1/21/2006 Saturday, you wrote:
>
>Matt is very accommodating.
>
>I assume it is because no one has asked him...
>
>Mike
>
>
>Here on Matronics there is a list for just about every obscure model of
>aircraft you can think of, and there is even a Jabiru list, so why is there
>no Rotax list ??? [Crying or Very sad]
>
>More of us use Rotax than all other engines put together, I would really
>like to see a Rotax List. Does anyone know why the never made a Rotax List
>??
>
>Michael A. Bigelow
>
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: firefly flaperons |
Group,
After some health issues have improved I finally did a W&B on the
Firefly. Seems it comes in with the C.G. At 20.95 " from the leading edge or 32.7%
which I think is between the limits Kolb calls for. I have been taking some
lessons in crosswind landings in an aeronica champ to get some current time.
Question: Is there an advantage to taking off with
flapperons down or would it be better to ignore the flapperons altogether on a
2800'
grass strip.
Waiting for some good calm weather for a first flight,
Ed Diebel
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax List ???????????????? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Matt Dralle wrote:
> True. No one every asked for a Rotax List. Seems like a great idea. I'll be
adding a couple of other lists as well, hopefully this weekend, and I will add
a "rotax-list" to the line up. Thanks for the suggestion!
>
>
Thats awesome Matt [Mr. Green] I figured I would have to email you, then get
a petition with 20,000 signatures or something :? But just getting it done
like this is greaet. There seem to be a lot of engine questions. The Rotax
is such a common engine that im sure all the different aircraft types are asking
the same questions in a bunch of different places. Putting everyones Rotax
engine knowlege in one place should be a benefit to us all.
Really great idea on creating the "Forum" format for all the lists. I was giong
to email you and suggest that, but you beat me to it :D Only question is
are you ready for your list volume to go up about 1000 % , im betting the forum
format will make this grow beyond your wildest dreams !! Thanks for everything.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| From: | "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
Several reports say their experience makes them lean toward the
flaps. This is a reasonable conclusion if comparing Kolb flaps to Kolb
flaperons, however it may not be the definitive answer. The reason Kolb
flaperons are not so impressive is that they are in my opinion designed too
conservatively, ie, they do not deflect enough to produce maximum drag/lift
disruption for the obvious reason that an unskilled pilot could get in
trouble if used improperly. The only real disadvantage of flaperons is that
they inherently produce adverse yaw so roll response will always suffer.
Conversely, the flaps biggest advantage is that they do their thing without
adverse yaw.
So why ever resort to flaperons? I suggest Kolb did so for economy
& simplicity. But if you are out for getting the ultimate performance in
climb, accelerated descent & slow flight, then flaperons will beat out flaps
every time because unlike flaps, they can change the coefficient of lift
over the entire wing, therefore have the greatest effect as well. The
caveat to this is that they must be able to be deployed beyond the 20 degree
angle that Kolb conservatively uses. Furthermore, to get really stunning
performance, you would need a much deeper chord of the full length ailerons
that is found in the FireFly & SlingShot, but then high speed flight control
becomes a manly exercise. The Helio Courier, attacks this problem with huge
barndoor flaps and flaperons on the outer third of the wings. If the
flaperons can be sequentially extended, then you can eliminate the adverse
yaw problem as well, by deploying them on final.
When I converted my old UltraStar to flaperons it was a dramatic
change to my flight envelope. Climb rate, rate of descent, and slow flight
characteristics were all significantly improved. It had huge barndoor huge
ailerons from the fuselage tube to the wingtips. They were deployable to 45
degrees & reflexable upwards to 6 degrees. You had to stand on the rudder
if turns were attempted at full deflection & if a take off was stupidly
attempted in this configuration, the 1200fpm climb was reduced to 350fpm!
Descent, with about 3000rpm, was almost vertical- a very controlled mush.
About 5 degrees deflection made slow flight effortless (I wonder what I
would have had with VG's?!!!) And lightly loaded, 60mph cruise would get a
few more mph with a few degrees positive reflex. But, six degrees positive
reflex increased stall about 5mph (if I remember right) and not effect roll
response at all. I often used that configuration when I got caught in gusty
conditions & had problems with being tossed around near the ground. High
speed stick pressure was horrible, but I was young. If I ever had the
chance to fly against an UltraStar converted to flaps, my flaperon
configuration would excel in climb, rate of descent & slow flight. Adverse
yaw was only a problem with deployment beyond 20 degrees, & that was only
needed on final so it never was a serious issue.
So, what would I order with a new kit? I would order the flaps and
flaperon linkage & modify ailerons to be able to sequentially deploy them at
my discretion.
Richard Swiderski
SlingShot
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eugene Zimmerman
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ???
John,
The first Firestar I did was an original with full span ailerons.
I split the Flaps in half with the in board half being the flaps with
the torque hinged on the torque tube of the ailerons similar to the
Mark III.
The control links were horizontal like the original aileron control
rods and went to a flap lever quadrant. It was a very simple and
straightforward installation.
This plane had unrivaled slow flight capability.
I could fly side by side with a Para plane in a nose high, power on,
stall mush, somewhere in the neighborhood of 18- 20 mph.
The second one was a Firstar II.
I first built it with flaperons and flew it that way for one season.
I was never happy with the flaperon performance so I changed it to a
flap aileron setup.
Since the control rods are vertical on the Firestar II and because
the cage is different it was not as easy to get a simple satisfactory
control system so I decided to use an electric servo and switch to
control the flaps since I already had a battery for the electric start.
From my experience with flaperons and also conventional flaps on the
same plane, I have decided I will never be interested in having
flaperons again.
On Jan 20, 2006, at 2:01 PM, John Jung wrote:
>
>
> Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>> I can't speak for the Mark III, but I have had both flaperons and
>> flaps on my current Firestar and have found the flaps to be much
>> prefered over the flaperons.
>>
>
> Eugene,
>
> Could you tell us about how you installed flaps on a Firestar? I
> don't recall hearing about it before.
>
> --------
> John Jung
> Firestar II N6163J
> Surprise, AZ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5518#5518
>
>
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| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax List ???????????????? |
Say, let's have a MkIIIc forum, and a MkIIIx forum, and a Firestar
forum, and a Firefly forum, oops, nearly forgot, a Firestar 2 forum,
and maybe a Kolb-gear-leg forum.... bleh
Diluting the topics is NOT a good idea.
-- Robert
On 1/21/06, JetPilot wrote:
>
>
> Matt Dralle wrote:
> > True. No one every asked for a Rotax List. Seems like a great idea. I'll
be adding a couple of other lists as well, hopefully this weekend, and I will
add a "rotax-list" to the line up. Thanks for the suggestion!
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax List ???????????????? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
rlaird wrote:
> Say, let's have a MkIIIc forum, and a MkIIIx forum, and a Firestar
> forum, and a Firefly forum, oops, nearly forgot, a Firestar 2 forum,
> and maybe a Kolb-gear-leg forum.... bleh
>
> Diluting the topics is NOT a good idea.
>
>
That is a bad example, im not proposing a breakup of an existing forum into different
forums as you so wronfully imply. I am saying we should bring all the
Rotax engine knowlege together in ONE forum. Currently, its spread out among
all the different ultralight types, when Rotax info could be brought together.
This would NOT put the Rotax info into seperate areas as you so wrongfully imply
with your bad example.
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
rswiderski(at)earthlink.n wrote:
> But if you are out for getting the ultimate performance in
> climb, accelerated descent & slow flight, then flaperons will beat out flaps
> every time because unlike flaps, they can change the coefficient of lift
> over the entire wing, therefore have the greatest effect as well.
>
You are very correct rswiderski, I design and build large Radio control planes,
and every last one of them has full span Flapperons. There is no denying the
performance of them is awesome. Changing the shape of the entire wing is more
effective than changing the shape of just the inboard part. The big unknown
for me on the Kolb was, are the spoilerons the same chord as the flaps and ailerons
?? and how much control authority is built into them ?? I know what the
ideal is, but the real world results of each one is what really counts in the
end. That is why I ignored what the ideal situation is and I asked people
what their real world results are.
The cord and travel of the flapperons be redesigned, and made with the same chord
and authority as the ailerons, but that is quite a huge job and there are always
unknowns in doing something like that. I just was not willing to take that
much of a risk and make that big of a design change. The control forces could
have become very large, and even flutter might have been an issue. The Kolb
MK-III flys very well, and im not willing to risk these things, and the realiability
of the existing and tested design just to have larger spoilerons.
Also an issue is that with two controls going to the same control surface, the
chance of jamming or failure is increased. And you do not want to lose the
ailerons in a Kolb.
Given all the extra work in fabricating, the inability to change it back once it
was done, and all the other possible risks, I was not willing to be the test
case here. It was either the stock Flapperons, or the Stock Flaps and Ailerons.
Given the choice between those two, the overwhelming consensus is for the
classic flaps.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: firefly flaperons |
Ed,
you have plenty of runway. Here Is what I would do. Ignore the flaperons for your
first takeoff. Concentrate on getting used to more immideate things. before
you come down for that first landing, try the flaperong handle and see the effect
it has on the FFly. Mainly the change in attitude it gives you. Then...when
you see what it does...give it a try , or dont. It wont change things that
much fopr you since you dont know what it is gonna take to land it anyway. Just
remember, DONT pul the throttle all the way back on final. You will be landing
that FireFly with probably half throttle and resist the temptation to lower
it past half on the landing..only when the wheels are down will you pull it
the rest of the way back. After you see just how fast that bird slows down at
1/2 throttle...and you make a couple of landings....or maybe 6....then you can
start to experiment at trying to bring it in at a slower speed. Flaperons or
not..
Good luck...you will get to love that little hot-rod!
--------
Don G
FireFly#098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| From: | "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax List ???????????????? |
Once again people just don't get it.
I believe the Rotax list would not be for JUST Kolb. If I'm not mistaken
don't other aircraft use Rotax engines???? I could be wrong!
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Laird
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotax List ????????????????
Say, let's have a MkIIIc forum, and a MkIIIx forum, and a Firestar
forum, and a Firefly forum, oops, nearly forgot, a Firestar 2 forum,
and maybe a Kolb-gear-leg forum.... bleh
Diluting the topics is NOT a good idea.
-- Robert
On 1/21/06, JetPilot wrote:
>
>
> Matt Dralle wrote:
> > True. No one every asked for a Rotax List. Seems like a great idea.
I'll be adding a couple of other lists as well, hopefully this weekend, and
I will add a "rotax-list" to the line up. Thanks for the suggestion!
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax List ???????????????? |
| From: | "Dave G" <dgmodels(at)consolidated.net> |
Michael Sharp wrote:
> Once again people just don't get it.
>
> I believe the Rotax list would not be for JUST Kolb. If I'm not mistaken
> don't other aircraft use Rotax engines???? I could be wrong!
>
> Mike
>
> --
Hi Mike. There's already an engine forum on Matt's list. Maybe it needs spruced
up a bit.? There is some really good info there. It dosent have the traffic
like the plane forums but engine guru's do check it once in a while.
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax List ???????????????? |
Diluting the topics is NOT a good idea.>>
Hi Robert,
that was my first reaction but all you have to do is subscribe to the new
list and all the posts will come up on screen with all your other lists.
Sorting through archives should be easier too as everything on one subject
will be together in one archive.
I would not like the list to get too attenuated though. A lot of peripheral
things which crop up prove to be very interesting.
Cheers
Pat
--
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly for sale |
| From: | "Gnat" <rickochet11(at)stic.net> |
Guy,
Do you still want to sell your firefly??
I have been looking for one in my area and your pretty close.
Let me know if it is for sale and I will come take a look at it.
Thanks
Rick
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| From: | "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
Michael,
I don't understand where spoilerons come in the picture. The Kolb
flaperons have no extra parts to jam. Not modifying the factory setup is
always the safest way to go & certainly the quickest. You will have a great
flying machine for sure. -Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:04 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ???
rswiderski(at)earthlink.n wrote:
> But if you are out for getting the ultimate performance in
> climb, accelerated descent & slow flight, then flaperons will beat out
flaps
> every time because unlike flaps, they can change the coefficient of lift
> over the entire wing, therefore have the greatest effect as well.
>
You are very correct rswiderski, I design and build large Radio control
planes, and every last one of them has full span Flapperons. There is no
denying the performance of them is awesome. Changing the shape of the
entire wing is more effective than changing the shape of just the inboard
part. The big unknown for me on the Kolb was, are the spoilerons the same
chord as the flaps and ailerons ?? and how much control authority is built
into them ?? I know what the ideal is, but the real world results of each
one is what really counts in the end. That is why I ignored what the ideal
situation is and I asked people what their real world results are.
The cord and travel of the flapperons be redesigned, and made with the same
chord and authority as the ailerons, but that is quite a huge job and there
are always unknowns in doing something like that. I just was not willing to
take that much of a risk and make that big of a design change. The control
forces could have become very large, and even flutter might have been an
issue. The Kolb MK-III flys very well, and im not willing to risk these
things, and the realiability of the existing and tested design just to have
larger spoilerons. Also an issue is that with two controls going to the
same control surface, the chance of jamming or failure is increased. And
you do not want to lose the ailerons in a Kolb.
Given all the extra work in fabricating, the inability to change it back
once it was done, and all the other possible risks, I was not willing to be
the test case here. It was either the stock Flapperons, or the Stock Flaps
and Ailerons. Given the choice between those two, the overwhelming
consensus is for the classic flaps.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Best place to learn about Kolbs |
Is there a web page besides the company page that might give me some practical
information on Kolbs. Things like the best year Firestar to but etc. Maybe someone
has created their own page. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to learn about Kolbs |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
firebug wrote:
> Is there a web page besides the company page that might give me some practical
information on Kolbs. Things like the best year Firestar to buy etc. Maybe someone
has created their own page. I am looking for a Firestar.Thanks
Firebug...
You're here!... Wealth of information here...
DVD
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. |
For that price they will not sell that well. The engine market has gotten out of
hand with its pricing. With the Jabiru it develops it's horsepower at 3300 rpm
which is too high for most of the ultralight applications. You cannot swing
a long enough prop to generate enough thrust to benefit our "Drag Queens". Kolbs,
Skyraiders, Quicksilvers and the like have a lot of drag and fly slow they
need a longer prop than planes like the Sonex.
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to learn about Kolbs |
Yeh,
This is a good place. I have a Skyraider kit that I just don't have the time to
finish because we are getting ready to build our house. It has flown and has
a 503 DCDI. I took the fabric off to inspect it and it is in great shape, no
damge. It just needs to be recovered. I am going to sell it and try to find me
a flying Kolb. I want to find out as mush as I can about them. I know about the
Skyraider because I helped the factory sell the kits at Sun n Fun and Oshkosh.
They are excellent planes I just don't have the time to finish it.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
firebug wrote:
> For that price they will not sell that well. The engine market has gotten out
of hand with its pricing. With the Jabiru it develops it's horsepower at 3300
rpm which is too high for most of the ultralight applications.
Yep, I never liked the Jabiru anyways, they look like they were machined in someones
garage. Very primitive in design.
I would buy an HKS over a 2 cylinder Jabiru any day, the price is about the same
and the prop speed is much slower.
I bought a Rotax 912s over the 4 cylinder Jabiru, didnt care how much more it cost,
I just wanted the best engine I could get. The Rotax is also a much more
advanced design.
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| Subject: | Re: MK-III ---- Classic flaps or Flaperons ??? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I meant to say Flaperons [Embarassed] On my RC planes the ailerons work as
flaperons and spoilerons. With full span spoilers, they drop like a rock [Shocked]
You probably would not want to do that on a kolb...
I have never seen the linkage setup for the Kolb with spoilerons. I assume it
would be more complex with an extra lever for controlling the flaperons, and also
having the ailerons linked through 2 controls as opposed to just the stick
like in the models with the classic flaps.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2 cyl. |
Hi Mike B:
| Yep, I never liked the Jabiru anyways, they look like they were
machined in someones garage. Very primitive in design.
I don't have any experience with Jab or HKS, only what I have seen at
the flyins, and flying with John W when his Kolbra was Jabiru powered.
Since John's Jab, they have gone to hydraulic valve lifters and upped
the power some. This was a good improvement. However, they are still
direct drive and direct drives do not perform well on Kolbs. Kiwi Mik
may want to defend his position on how well they perform, but I have
my own "actual" flight comparison (that most of you all told me was
worthless) between my 912ULS powered MKIII and John W's Jab powered
direct drive Kolbra. Very quickly, cruise was about the same, but
acceleration, take off, and climb, there was no comparison between the
two power plants. I was pleasantly shocked first time John W and I
flew together after installation of the 912ULS on his Kolbra. He and
I take off and climb about the same, maybe the MKIII is a little
quicker, but after that, it is all over. The Kolbra climbs and walks
away from the MKIII. I think one of the first things a person sees
when they look at the Jab is the beautiful CNC machine work on the
engines. I do think they are a piece of art. However, if the newer
versions still have the dual distributors for ignition, they haven't
made any progress in the ignition area. One of the problems John W
encountered on our 2003 Kittyhawk flight was a Jab that would not
start after sitting out at night in very damp weather. The 912's and
582 fired right up the next morning.
The Rotax is also a much more advanced design.
Mike B, I don't know that the 912 is so much more advance design or
not. It is basically a flat 4 opposed that uses a basic design.
However, the Ducati ignition, integral reduction drive, water/oil
cooling the heads, and the nikaseal (sp) aluminum cylinders, plus dry
sump lube system do a great job in making the 912 a good reliable,
endurable, very low maintenance engine.
Our little Kolb aircraft thrive on power plants with reduction drives,
and don't seem to do so well with direct drives.
john h
MKIII
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Rotax List ???????????????? |
Cc: Matt Dralle
Hey Matt & All
If you create a list for Rotax - you might want to make one for 2
strokes and one for 4 strokes - helps thin done the weeding area if
your looking for information and you only need monitor only what
pertains to your interest.
Thanks,
jerb
At 12:48 PM 1/21/2006, you wrote:
>
>
>True. No one every asked for a Rotax List. Seems like a great
>idea. I'll be adding a couple of other lists as well, hopefully
>this weekend, and I will add a "rotax-list" to the line up. Thanks
>for the suggestion!
>
>Matt Dralle
>Email List Admin
>
>
>At 09:07 AM 1/21/2006 Saturday, you wrote:
> >
> >Matt is very accommodating.
> >
> >I assume it is because no one has asked him...
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
> >Here on Matronics there is a list for just about every obscure model of
> >aircraft you can think of, and there is even a Jabiru list, so why is there
> >no Rotax list ??? [Crying or Very sad]
> >
> >More of us use Rotax than all other engines put together, I would really
> >like to see a Rotax List. Does anyone know why the never made a Rotax List
> >??
> >
> >Michael A. Bigelow
> >
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax List ???????????????? |
| From: | "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
That's a Good Idea....If your gonna make a Rotax list....make BOTH 2 cycle ...AND...4
Stroke
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN FSII/ 503 - N381PM
>
> Hey Matt & All
> If you create a list for Rotax - you might want to make one for 2
> strokes and one for 4 strokes - Thanks,
> jerb
>
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| From: | "jdmurr(at)juno.com" <jdmurr(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? |
I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours (around freezing here in the Northeast
brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I don't have
enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits my leg. Even
if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way I would like
it to.
I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron bell
crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the linkage
to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt because
of the increased leverage.
I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control linkages on
the older Firestars. It would be nice to have more control authority with less
input. Differential would be nice too!
Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I would
like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground where
I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
John Murr
1989 Firestar.
I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours(around freezing here in the Northeast
brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I don't have
enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits my leg. Even
if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way I would like it
to.
I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron bell
crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the linkage
to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt because
of the increased leverage.
I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control linkages on
the older Firestars.It would be nice to have more control authority with less
input. Differential would be nice too!
Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I would
like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground where I'm
flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
John Murr
1989 Firestar.
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| Subject: | Looking for a Firestar |
Anyone know of one for sale in the southeast. I also have a skyraider kit for sale
just needs to be covered has 100 hrs on the airframe and 503 DCDI with b box.
I don't have the time to finish it. GREAT kit plane.
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to learn about Kolbs |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
firebug wrote:
>
> I took the fabric off to inspect it and it is in great shape, no damge. It just
needs to be recovered. I am going to sell it and try to find me a flying Kolb.
I want to find out as mush as I can about them. I know about the Skyraider
because I helped the factory sell the kits at Sun n Fun and Oshkosh. They are
excellent planes I just don't have the time to finish it.
Why in the world would you take the covering off if you were not able to recover
it ?? There are much better and easier ways to inspect airplanes without ripping
off all the covering.
So just to make sure im clear on this, you have needlessly ripped all the covering
off your only flyable plane, which was in good condition... Now you are looking
to buy something already built because you want to fly ???
Am I missing something here :?
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Why in the world would you take the covering off if you were not able to recover
it ?? There are much better and easier ways to inspect airplanes without ripping
off all the covering.
So just to make sure im clear on this, you have needlessly ripped all the covering
off your only flyable plane, which was in good condition... Now you are looking
to buy something already built because you want to fly ???
Am I missing something here
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| Subject: | Shoulder straps too loose |
| From: | "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Guys,
I've seen this "cure" before.....This is MY version ....
I took some elec wire, Red to match my plane...and I macreme'd the shoulder strap.....I
need to leave them loose when I fly , so I can lean forward and reach
the ignition ( Cessna too , but for "BOTH" fuel )
Anyway, I had a little trouble with the straps sliding off ......not now.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN N381PM
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Mike,
Either that is the worlds biggest shop fan, or you are flying a powered parachute,
or trike. Do you still fly that thing, or do you like the firestar so much
that it just sits ? Lets see more pictures of your entire plane, the red checkerboard
looks pretty cool.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
| From: | "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
He's some Pic's.... Ralph took these pictures the day of my First Flight...
Oh, the"FAN" is a Buckeye Powered Parachute,Dream Machine,2 seat
582/ 3 blade IVO , For Sale - $8,000
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
What prompted you to take the covering off at only 100 hours? Were
you looking for possible damage or something? Was it stored outside
or hangared? What year was the kit produced and what year placed in service?
jerb
At 04:08 PM 1/22/2006, you wrote:
>
>Anyone know of one for sale in the southeast. I also have a
>skyraider kit for sale just needs to be covered has 100 hrs on the
>airframe and 503 DCDI with b box. I don't have the time to finish
>it. GREAT kit plane.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5946#5946
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
Because the covering job looked like SH*T. There was NO chafing tape on the plane
anywhere. The builder put the chafing tape on the airframe, THE FRAME, not
on the exterior over the high points where its supposed to be. I don't know about
you but I will not fly a plane that was not built properly. It is a pain in
the A** to get the chafing tape off of the airframe once it is glued on. He
rapped it around the smaller tubes more than once. I had to use MEK to desolve
the glue and pry the tape off. To recap, he glued the chafing tape to the airframe
then glued the fabric over the chafing tape. Everything else was fine. Because
I bought the plane over the internet and had it deleivered I could not
see this. Now I have run out of time to build and want to find something else.
I hate that because I really wanted a Skyraider. I worked with the factory selling
the kits at Sun n Fun and Oshkosh so I know the planes well. To me the Kolb
is the next best thing. Any other questions?
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
In a message dated 1/22/06 5:33:29 PM Mountain Standard Time,
gcc1964@mon-ce.net writes:
> I hate that because I really wanted a Skyraider. I worked with the factory
> selling the kits at Sun n Fun and Oshkosh so I know the planes well. To me
> the Kolb is the next best thing.
Hi bug,
Your wrong the FireStar the is the best and the Skyraider is second best.
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| From: | "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? |
John,
Is the gap between the ailerons and the wing sealed??
Steven
----- Original Message -----
From: <jdmurr(at)juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update?
>
> I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours (around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
> I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
> I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control
linkages on the older Firestars. It would be nice to have more control
authority with less input. Differential would be nice too!
> Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
> John Murr
> 1989 Firestar.
>
>
> I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours(around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
>
>
> I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
>
>
> I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control
linkages on the older Firestars.It would be nice to have more control
authority with less input. Differential would be nice too!
>
>
> Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
>
>
> John Murr
>
>
> 1989 Firestar.
>
>
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| From: | "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? |
John, I don't know about the updates, but I haven't seen a Kolb that did not
have differential ailerons. Maybe I haven't seen enough of them?
Richard Swiderski
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmurr(at)juno.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update?
I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours (around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control linkages
on the older Firestars. It would be nice to have more control authority with
less input. Differential would be nice too!
Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
John Murr
1989 Firestar.
I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours(around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control linkages
on the older Firestars.It would be nice to have more control authority with
less input. Differential would be nice too!
Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
John Murr
1989 Firestar.
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Nice looking plane Mike. The professional lettering on the panel is a nice touch,
how did you do that ?
What is that guage called the miZer ???
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax List ???????????????? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I have to agree with Mike on this one. The Rotax list should be for ALL types
of rotax engines. I fully agree with the spirit of not fragmenting the list
to much, because a list with no activity is no fun. The Whole reason I suggested
a dedicated Rotax list is to bring everyone together, not to seperate them.
I looked at all the lists, and the ones with the most activity, Kolb, Kitfox, and
Zenith. They ALL use lots of rotax engines, so if we could get twice the number
of people talking and reading about Rotax engines, that would be great.
Right now, we have to search 3 lists to cover the entire Rotax community.
Time will tell, I hope it catches on, but in the end it will be the users that
will determine if its a success or not.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| From: | "jdmurr(at)juno.com" <jdmurr(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update? |
About 80% of it. There is as small piece missing.
-- "Steven Green" wrote:
John,
Is the gap between the ailerons and the wing sealed??
Steven
----- Original Message -----
From: <jdmurr(at)juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 1989 Firestar Aileron Linkage Update?
>
> I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours (around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
> I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
> I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control
linkages on the older Firestars. It would be nice to have more control
authority with less input. Differential would be nice too!
> Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
> John Murr
> 1989 Firestar.
>
>
> I had my Firestar out today for about 2 hours(around freezing here in the
Northeast brrr). Anyway it was a little bumpy and it always seems like I
don't have enough aileron throw especially to the left since the stick hits
my leg. Even if I stomp on the rudder really hard it doesn't handle the way
I would like it to.
>
>
> I also don't like the idea of single standoff on the cage that the aileron
bell crank bolts onto. Looks like a failure point to me. I could modify the
linkage to get more throw, but then it would put more pressure on this bolt
because of the increased leverage.
>
>
> I thought I heard somewhere that there was an update to the control
linkages on the older Firestars.It would be nice to have more control
authority with less input. Differential would be nice too!
>
>
> Has anyone dealt with these two issues? My plane flies really well, but I
would like more roll rate especially in rougher air and close to the ground
where I'm flying less than one mistake high. Thanks.
>
>
> John Murr
>
>
> 1989 Firestar.
>
>
About 80% of it. There is as small piece missing.
--"StevenGreen"Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.netwrote:
--Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:"StevenGreen"Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net
John,
Isthegapbetweentheaileronsandthewingsealed??
Steven
-----OriginalMessage-----
From:jdmurr(at)juno.com
To:kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent:Sunday,January22,20064:56PM
Subject:Kolb-List:1989FirestarAileronLinkageUpdate?
--Kolb-Listmessagepostedby:"jdmurr(at)juno.com"jdmurr(at)juno.com
IhadmyFirestarouttodayforabout2hours(aroundfreezinghereinthe
Northeastbrrr).AnywayitwasalittlebumpyanditalwaysseemslikeI
don'thaveenoughaileronthrowespeciallytotheleftsincethestickhits
myleg.EvenifIstompontherudderreallyharditdoesn'thandletheway
Iwouldlikeitto.
Ialsodon'tliketheideaofsinglestandoffonthecagethattheaileron
bellcrankboltsonto.Lookslikeafailurepointtome.Icouldmodifythe
linkagetogetmorethrow,butthenitwouldputmorepressureonthisbolt
becauseoftheincreasedleverage.
IthoughtIheardsomewherethattherewasanupdatetothecontrol
linkagesontheolderFirestars.Itwouldbenicetohavemorecontrol
authoritywithlessinput.Differentialwouldbenicetoo!
Hasanyonedealtwiththesetwoissues?Myplanefliesreallywell,butI
wouldlikemorerollrateespeciallyinrougherairandclosetotheground
whereI'mflyinglessthanonemistakehigh.Thanks.
JohnMurr
1989Firestar.
IhadmyFirestarouttodayforabout2hours(aroundfreezinghereinthe
Northeastbrrr).AnywayitwasalittlebumpyanditalwaysseemslikeI
don'thaveenoughaileronthrowespeciallytotheleftsincethestickhits
myleg.EvenifIstompontherudderreallyharditdoesn'thandletheway
Iwouldlikeitto.
Ialsodon'tliketheideaofsinglestandoffonthecagethattheaileron
bellcrankboltsonto.Lookslikeafailurepointtome.Icouldmodifythe
linkagetogetmorethrow,butthenitwouldputmorepressureonthisbolt
becauseoftheincreasedleverage.
IthoughtIheardsomewherethattherewasanupdatetothecontrol
linkagesontheolderFirestars.Itwouldbenicetohavemorecontrol
authoritywithlessinput.Differentialwouldbenicetoo!
Hasanyonedealtwiththesetwoissues?Myplanefliesreallywell,butI
wouldlikemorerollrateespeciallyinrougherairandclosetotheground
whereI'mflyinglessthanonemistakehigh.Thanks.
JohnMurr
1989Firestar.
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| Subject: | Re: What's Wrong With This Picture? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Earl Zimmerman wrote:
> It was very
> smooth and kind of fun but I had to be a little creative to get back
> home because home was straight into the wind.
Very Cool Earl :D
If you think that was fun, here is another new wind over the mountain thing you
can try. Get a little further downwind from the mountain, where the wind starts
to get pulled down the mountain faster than your Kolb can climb [Shocked]
The experience of sinking into the trees at full power and airspeed just cannot
be beat [Twisted Evil]
All Joking aside, be very careful flying low over terrain like that with high winds,
you can easily find yourself in a situation that no light airplane can survive.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | take off with flaps |
Question: Is there an advantage to taking off with
flapperons down or would it be better to ignore the flapperons altogether
on a
2800'
grass strip.
I did some test with my mark III.. With no flaps.. 20 deg and full 40 deg
flaps.. With no flaps or at 40 deg the take off roll was about the same.
But with 20 deg of flaps the take off was around 50 ft shorter. Even
though there is more lift possible with 40 deg of flaps. it also creates
more drag.. and the drag penalty is more than the lift of the extra
deflection.
Boyd your change may vary.
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
A flaperons down takeoff will shorten yoru takeoff roll as you found in your testing.
Flaps will add extra drag, and hurt your climb rate, but you will get
off the ground faster. If you are worried about mud, soft field, short field,
use flaps... If you need to climb faster, no flaps would be better. In no case
should you ever use full flaps for takeoff, at that setting the drag penalty
is so high that you only hurt your performance to the point of being hazardous
!
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
In no case should you ever use full flaps for takeoff, at that
setting the drag penalty is so high that you only hurt your
performance to the point of being hazardous !
Mike B:
There is one exception, or variation, that I use occassionally. It is
useful getting out of a soft, wet, or heavily vegetated strip. Start
the takeoff roll clean. Just prior to reaching stall speed, snatch
the flaps all the way down. Soon as the MKIII pops off the ground,
start easing the flaps out and continue to climb.
Normally, never use flaps for take off, but use them for most all
landings.
john h
MKIII
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| From: | "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
A price and location on that SkyRaider for sale
would be nice. Especially since there is no way
to contact you using the e-mail heading listed
as yours at the top os your messages.......
i.e.; "firebug" <gcc1964@mon-ce.net>
Bounces.
George
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
Red to match my plane...and I macreme'd the shoulder strap..>>
Hi,
oh ducky, how sweet. I bet you look sooo cute...( purl one, stitch one,
drop one....)
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
the chafing tape on the airframe, THE FRAME, not on the exterior over the
high points where its supposed to be. >>
Hi,
this intrigues me. If the tape is not between the frame and the covering
what does it do?. What chafes on the OUTSIDE of the covering?
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
Chafing tape is put on the high spots of the airframe because those parts are more
likely to rub against objects. Look at a Cub or other fabric covered aircraft,
you will see chafing tape on the airframe. When the airframes high points
rub on something the chafing tape rubs instead of the fabric. This makes the
fabric twice as thick which makes it twice as had to rub through. You will typically
see it on the longerons and any other area that protrudes.
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
surely cause John Wayne to roll over in his grave. >>
Hi Ralph,
what would certainly cause him to roll over in his grave is Brokeback
Mountain, a film about gay cowboys. Good grief. On the other hand with a
name like Marion.....
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| Subject: | Corrected my email |
I had to correct my email. Sorry for any trouble it caused. Just for the record
it is gcc1964@mon-cre.net I also discovered that the forum inserts (at)
for the symble @ which you have to change when you email someone. If I am
wrong please correct me.
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What's Wrong With This Picture? |
I was on the down wind side of a small mountain a couple hundred feet about
the peak>>
Hi,
you were very lucky. A bit lower and the downgoing side of the airflow would
have put you firmly on the ground. A friend of mine when we were doing 5
hours on a ridge for a gliding badge took a short cut from one end of the
ridge to the other which took him back behind the lift into the curlover.
He went down in a cornfield absolutely vertically. The pattern he left in
the corn was a complete outline of the glider, no run in or approach. He
must have gone in absolutely flat . It broke the glider fuselage in half
just behind the wing and gave the guy back trouble for a long time.
The sensation of flying backwards is really strange though. I have done it
twice. Once in a glider where I launched up the wire, levelled out, dumped
the wire and drifted backwards far enough to make a straight in approach to
land without turning. Once when I was having a demonstration flight in
gyrocopter. We climbed to about a thousand feet and then flew more and more
slowly until we began to drift backwards. At that point the pilot said `I
expect you are wondering what would happen if the engine stopped now` Then
he switched it off. In the sudden silence we fluttered down to a smooth
landing right on the numbers. Impressive but odd.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
What we have here is more a confusion in nomenclature than fact.
A chafing tape would be occasionally necessary on a rough surface
directly over the frame before covering. The tape on the outside
of the fabric is (no kidding) surface tape. It provides both additional
strength at protruding points and is a sacrificial bump absorber.
Not much more to that subject, unless you get down to diddly stuff
like pinked vs straight edge, bias tape, whether to use grade A, etc.
-BB
On 23, Jan 2006, at 5:36 AM, pat ladd wrote:
>
> the chafing tape on the airframe, THE FRAME, not on the exterior over
> the
> high points where its supposed to be. >>
>
> Hi,
>
> this intrigues me. If the tape is not between the frame and the
> covering
> what does it do?. What chafes on the OUTSIDE of the covering?
>
> Pat
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
So it turns out that the airplane was properly built, and that the covering was
ripped off for nothing [Shocked]
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| From: | Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi(at)supernet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What's Wrong With This Picture? |
pat ladd wrote:
>
> I was on the down wind side of a small mountain a couple hundred feet about
> the peak>>
>
> Hi,
> you were very lucky. A bit lower and the downgoing side of the airflow would
> have put you firmly on the ground.
I meant to type "a couple hundred feet (above) the peak". I was about
3-4 miles down wind of the mountain at about 1500-1700 ft AGL. At the
point where I was backing up the air was very smooth. It reminded me of
when you see a hawk (not Hauck) hovering motionless in the air. Farther
down wind of the mountain it was pretty rough. I tighten me seatbelt a
couple tugs, would have banged my bald spot if it were any looser.
I do understand what you are saying though, but I didn't think that I
was that close to the mountain. Maybe I was in the next wave off the
mountain. Sure glad I wasn't in a glider, but a 1000 fpm 582 powered
MKII! ~ Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
JetPilot wrote:
> Firebug,
>
> So it turns out that the airplane was properly built, and that the covering was
ripped off for nothing [Shocked] Chafing tape on the inside of the covering
would certainly not hurt anything. Sounds like you tore up a perfectly
good airplane to me [Crying or Very sad] .
>
> The guys were correct about something eles, the firestar is much better than
the skyraider. Being in front of everything with almost unlimited visibility
is what this type of flying is all about. If you want to be closed in an airplane
with no visibility like the Skyraider, you might as well be flying around
a Cessna 150 [Evil or Very Mad]
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Very Correct John,
I did not consider that situation, but that would work great :D I immagine
you used that technique on the the soft beach in alaska, I remember seeing a picture
of your tailwheel sunk way down in the sand.
JettPilot
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> I immagine you used that technique on the the soft beach in alaska
Morning Mike B/Gang:
That is correct. That was the old Maule 6" solid rubber tailwheel in that picture.
In sand, as dry and soft as it was on the beach, 12 miles south of Barrow
Airport, the tailwheel acted like an anchor.
Poor planning got me on the beach with full fuel and gear, aprx'ly 1,200 lbs takeoff
weight. I should have gone down the Will Rogers/Wiley Post Memorial before
I refueled after my flight from Helmericks. Would have been easier to get
in and out of the beach. However, the old fat MKIII did her job quite well,
as usual.
I now have an 8" pnuematic Maule Tundra Tailwheel which would have done a much
better job.
I have attached two photos of Miss P'fer (P fer plane) on the beach on the Arctic
Ocean at the Will Rogers/Wiley Post crash site and memorial. Very solem feeling
standing alone on that beach where these two adventurers died in 1935.
Little MKIII never ceases to amaze me.
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Hi Gang:
Here was another occassion to use the "flap pop up" technique of takeoff. Was
between LA, CA, and Laughlin, NV. In dire need of a pit stop. Nearest airport
30 miles off course. Picked out a dry creek bed, drug it twice, then went for
it. Sand was dry and deeper than I had expected. Thank goodness for the displaced
main gear on my MKIII. Standard MKIII gear location would have put me
on my nose and I would have been looking for another way back to Alabama. In
a situation like this, there is no way to know exactly what you are getting
into until you have committed to land. I was a little bit, well..........a lot
leary, of getting back out of there. Walked my take off track to make sure
there wasn't anything that was going to jump out and bite me. Big problem is
getting the aircraft to start rolling. I also had dug out in front of the mains
to help every little bit I could to get moving. Once I got her rolling, she
climbed right up on top of the sand, popped the flaps, and we were flying.
That is always a super good feeling when we get back in the air once again.
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar
>
> So it turns out that the airplane was properly built, and that the
> covering was ripped off for nothing [Shocked]
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6119#6119
>
>
>
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
Mike
You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in it? How
would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane and someone
kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was necessary to
keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.
Thanks
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a Firestar
>
> So it turns out that the airplane was properly built, and that the
> covering was ripped off for nothing [Shocked]
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6119#6119
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chafing Tape |
I understand that chafing tape goes on the rough areas under the fabric but you
also put it on the exterior too, it can also be refered to as surface tape. The
function is two fold, one it strengthens the area but I think most importantly
it guards against chafing the fabric when the high spot hits an object. It
is simply 2 - 3 inches wide usually with pinked edges. It is glued to the surface
like it is over the ribs of the wings.
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
confusion in nomenclature>>
Hi Robert,
looks as though you are right. I certainly put `chafing tape` around all the
sharp corners of the airframe before covering and `pinked cut` tape on the
outside before spraying.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when you should
shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would hate to fly
anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric where you put chafing
tape. There are also areas on the surface you put it, sometimes it is refered
to as surface tape. Its function on the surface is to keep the fabric from
being rubbed through, chafed when it is struck at a high point on the airframe.
He had NONE of this, that is a sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion.
The high spots are going to be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape on
the high spots to double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built
Cub if you don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around
the frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue the
fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of the rudder,
elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had chafing tape glued all the way
around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can you understand that do I need to
draw you a picture? He also did the same thing to the rest of the airframe.
What do you fly? I find it hard to believe it is a jet.
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What's Wrong With This Picture? |
Maybe I was in the next wave off the
mountain. Sure glad I wasn't in a glider, but a 1000 fpm 582 powered>>
Hi Earl,
you might have been in the second wave. It is uncannily smooth. Super flying
in the `up` section. If you had been in the downflow of a good wave your 582
would`nt have saved you, and the rotor may well have banged your bald spot
right through the canopy.
Pat
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| Subject: | John H's position |
| From: | Todd Fredricks <flyingfox(at)copper.net> |
So John;
Am I to take it after all the flaperon, flap debate that you fall into the
camp of separate flaps and ailerons? I am heading down to London first of
next month to size up the Mark IIIX for myself (since the 172 finally sold)
and at some point I need to start planning for the separate flap option.
I ask specifically because as an Army flight surgeon I always looked at the
principal function of Army W O s as keeping the FS from killing himself when
he take the flight controls.
Todd
PS: Thanks for attaching the separate photos of Miss P'Fer to some of your
posts. They make great screensavers to muse over....
--
Todd Fredricks, DO
Flying Fox Services
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| From: | "flht99reh" <flht99reh(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Shoulder straps too loose |
Hey Pat! Don't you pick on my flyin brother Plainecrazzy. He said he'd make
me a set if I flew out there and whopped your old hide ! HA. HA!
Anyway, since we need to keep the subject matter about Kolbs to please the
site master and purpose of our gathering place. If he makes me a set, I'll
fly my 1990 Kolb Firestar KXP with 503 DIDC out to whoop your old hide,
after I complete my lessons. How old are you now Pat, It might be a while.
Ralph, "the good one from Ohio"
P.S. Pat, for your information; "pearl one, stitch one, drop one" is not
macram! Thats knitting. And unless you want to meet me in a dark ally, all
230# and 6'1" of me, you do not want to pick on the knitters in America!
Cause we can find you in a heartbeat! HA, HA!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pat ladd
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Shoulder straps too loose
Red to match my plane...and I macreme'd the shoulder strap..>>
Hi,
oh ducky, how sweet. I bet you look sooo cute...( purl one, stitch one,
drop one....)
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
Thanks for your comment. Believe me the plane was not perfectly good. He had rapped
the chafing tape around the perimeter of the tail feathers as well as other
parts and glued it to the surfaces. He then glued the fabric to the chafing
tape. That is not good. He then neglected to put surface tape on the exterior
along the high spots. I also refered to this as chafing tape as it is there to
keep the fabric from being chafed through.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John H's position |
| Am I to take it after all the flaperon, flap debate that you fall
into the
| camp of separate flaps and ailerons?
|
| I ask specifically because as an Army flight surgeon I always looked
at the
| principal function of Army W O s as keeping the FS from killing
himself when
| he take the flight controls.
|
| Todd
Hi Todd/Gang:
Well..........I don't fall into any camp. I am pretty much an
individualist.
Have been extremely lucky, with a 22 year close association with both
old and new Kolb. I got to fly and compare most of the Kolb models.
Not just a quick flight, but extensively. This was a great way of
gathering info and making decisions on what I build, what I modify,
and what I fly. Made it very easy for me to determine what works best
for me.
It does not lend much credence, to me, for someone to tell me how much
better one system works than the other, when they do so without
actual experience of flying both systems. In some cases, without any
experience flying a Kolb.
I don't sell airplanes, so I can be very honest in my opinions of what
works for me, and what does not. I think I have the best that Kolb
offers in a 16 year old design, with a few of my own mods thrown in to
make my type of flying more comfortable and more likely to accomplish
successfully.
To me, flaps work much better than flaperons. Some aileron authority
is lost with the flaperon system. They are not nearly as effective in
steep approaches and landings as the flaps.
I wasn't a WO, but I know what you mean. I always relied on them to
keep me out of trouble, even to this day. I am very fortunate to have
a good friend and a retired Army CWO to fly with each year. I always
learn something when I am flying with him.
You are more than welcome for the photo posts.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
firebug wrote:
> I also have a skyraider kit for sale just needs to be covered has 100 hrs on
the airframe and 503 DCDI with b box. I don't have the time to finish it. GREAT
kit plane.
Firebug,
Your response was very nasty and uncalled for. You advertised an uncovered kit
in good shape for sale here. Im sure everyones natural question was "why was
the covering ripped off ".... Telling someone to shut up for commenting and
asking about it is way out of line and unacceptable conduct here.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
Tampabay: I'll bet you are in Tampa Fl. right? i have relatives down there, nice
place. Where do you fly out of? And you are right I didn't take the fabric off
to destroy the plane for fun. I hated to do that but I like thing to be right
especially when my rear end is in it at 5000ft agl. If I can get rid of the
Skyraider I will buy a Kolb. I started to buy one in the first place. Whether
the Kolb is better than the Raider is a matter of opinon. Most likely you will
side with the plane you own. I am sure once I have gotten a Kolb I will be singing
it's praises. Any help in getting rid of the Raider and finding a Firestar
would be greatly appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>
> Jetpilot beat him like a rented mule for his post on the KOLB list. I think
> the guy has suffered enough because of this Skyraider business.
>
> Chris Mallory
>
What difference does it make if Firebug was advertising a Kolb or not ??? I could
care less, he adviertised it here, so im more than happy to talk about it
in this forum. You are the only one that has vioced a problem with it not being
a Kolb on a Kolb list.......
I did ask Firebug the same question any competent buyer would ask... Why rip
relitively new covering off an airframe that is in good condition ??? Is Firebug
going to verbally assault his potiental buyers if they ask him the same question
?? Given Firebugs response, he is not the kind of person I would ever
want to do busienss with.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| Subject: | Re: John H's position |
| From: | Todd Fredricks <flyingfox(at)copper.net> |
Well this is all good because when I spoke to Izek at OSH he told me that I
could order the IIIX with flaps as an option so I think that is the way to
go. I am going to be doing a lot of what you are doing and my 64 172E with
40 degrees of available flaps and my now-departed Maule M5-235C spoiled me
rotten for their ability to maintain a vertical line without excessive
airspeed.
My 900 feet of upsloping ridgeline will like the Kolb immensely I think.
So I take it that you were an RLO?
Really excited to work with a fine airplane and be able to envision trips to
far away places...
Todd
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
Jetpilot: It not that you asked me why I took the fabric off that was wrong. It
was the way you seem to enjoy saying that I needlessly ripped the covering off
of a perfectly good airplane[it wasn't]. You repeated that "It turns out that
the plane was properly built and the cover was torn off for nothing"
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Mike
>
> You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in it? How
> would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane and someone
> kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was necessary to
> keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.
>
>
I asked the question as ANY potiental buyer of that airplane is going to ask...
I talked about it again because some others pointed out that firebug was in error
in what he described, Firebug still defended what he had done as being correct...
I posted again not to rub his nose in it, but to generate more discussion
on the matter and maybe we could all learn more from this.
If I made a mistake, I would admint it and try to learn enough from people on the
list so that I would make the same mistake again. So it was brought up a couple
times, big deal. The way Firebug verbally assaulted me in a very nasty
way for questioning why he did that tells a lot about the kind of man he is.
Given Firebugs response to a legitimate question about an airplane he is selling,
I would never buy an airplane, or do any type of business with him.
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| Subject: | Re: take off with flaps |
| From: | "Mark" <mshimei(at)netzero.net> |
WOW!!!
Thats how I used to get my PA28-140 off the ground on shorter strips. Thought
no one else did it...
--------
Mark Shimei
Twinstar, 503
Phantom, Kawasaki 440
Weight shift Quick, Chrysler
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
I agree. He had reasons for removing the fabric, and it's his
aircraft -- you don't need to jump all over him for it.
Let's keep the List friendly and cooperative -- not abrasive or
scolding.
On Jan 23, 2006, at 3:30 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
>
> neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net wrote:
>> Mike
>>
>> You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in
>> it? How
>> would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane
>> and someone
>> kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was
>> necessary to
>> keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.
>>
>>
>
>
> I asked the question as ANY potiental buyer of that airplane is
> going to ask... I talked about it again because some others pointed
> out that firebug was in error in what he described, Firebug still
> defended what he had done as being correct... I posted again not
> to rub his nose in it, but to generate more discussion on the
> matter and maybe we could all learn more from this.
>
> If I made a mistake, I would admint it and try to learn enough from
> people on the list so that I would make the same mistake again. So
> it was brought up a couple times, big deal. The way Firebug
> verbally assaulted me in a very nasty way for questioning why he
> did that tells a lot about the kind of man he is. Given Firebugs
> response to a legitimate question about an airplane he is selling,
> I would never buy an airplane, or do any type of business with him.
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
> have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6238#6238
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
> I agree. He had reasons for removing the fabric, and it's his
> aircraft -- you don't need to jump all over him for it.
>
I did not jump all over him for it, although a number of people did question it
and rightfully so. You are telling ME to keep it friendly, I kept it very
freindly. The only nasty, unfriendly post here was wirtten by Firebug.... You
need to check your facts and rethink who you are telling to "keep it friendly",
and " dont jump all over him". You are obviously an not to bright telling
me this after what firebug posted.
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| From: | "JW Hauck" <jimh474(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
Y'all;
Don't y'all think it would be a good idea to drop this thread as it will
lead to a no good end. I feel this ole horse has been whipped enough.
Jim Hauck
On 1/23/2006 5:56:15 PM, kolb-list(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
> I agree. He had reasons for removing the fabric, and
> it's his
> aircraft -- you don't need to jump all over him for it.
> Let's keep the List friendly and cooperative -- not abrasive or
> scolding.
>
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 3:30 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > neilsenrmf(at)comcast.net wrote:
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> You made you point, why do you feel the need to rub his nose in
> >> it? How
> >> would you feel if you had done that to a perfectly good airplane
> >> and someone
> >> kept making posts to the world about how you screwed up. It was
> >> necessary to
> >> keep others from not making the same mistake but please let it go.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > I asked the question as ANY potiental buyer of that airplane is
> > going to ask... I talked about it again because some others pointed
> > out that firebug was in error in what he described, Firebug still
> > defended what he had done as being correct... I posted again not
> > to rub his nose in it,
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
| From: | "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi,
The "lettering" on the dash is done with my computer, then "taped" in place.....
One is my "N" number.... on the other side are my "V speeds"
And I put "Stall" and "VNE" in RED
I also labeled all the other stuff that way for my airworthiness inspection.
I used the WIDE clear tape, so it seals it , and looks better...
The Gauge that sez " miZer " is my Fuel gauge/fuel flow gauge, and it has an
alarm ( at whatever gals "left" I program )
It was a litte SPENDY at $300 bucks from A.S.&S.
Gotta Fly...
> The professional lettering on the panel is a nice touch, how did you do that
?
>
> What is that guage called the miZer ???
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
rsanoa wrote:
>
>
> TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when you
should shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would hate to fly
anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric where you put
chafing tape. There are also areas on the surface you put it, sometimes it is
refered to as surface tape. Its function on the surface is to keep the fabric
from being rubbed through, chafed when it is struck at a high point on the airframe.
He had NONE of this, that is a sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion.
The high spots are going to be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape
on the high spots to double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built
Cub if you don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around
the frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue the
fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of the rudder,
elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had chafi!
> ng tape glued all the way around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can you
understand that do I need to draw you a picture? He also did the same thing to
the rest of the airframe. What do you fly? I find it hard to believe it is a
jet.
>
>
>
The only one that posted a nasty, rude, and uncalled for statement was Firebug.
You are out of line telling me to have compassion while ignoring Firebugs post...
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
I am over it.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
firebug wrote:
> I am over it.
Firebug, you come into the list and on your third day here post the meanest, nastiest
post I have ever seen here.... And all you can say is I am over it..
That just shows what kind of a small man you are.
Nothing short of a very public, and sincere apology would even begin to correct
this.
firebug wrote:
>
> TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking when you
should shut up. You do not know what you are talking about. I would hate to fly
anything you have built. Yes there are areas under the fabric where you put
chafing tape. There are also areas on the surface you put it, sometimes it is
refered to as surface tape. Its function on the surface is to keep the fabric
from being rubbed through, chafed when it is struck at a high point on the airframe.
He had NONE of this, that is a sign of a poorly built plane in my opinion.
The high spots are going to be hit period. You put surface or chafing tape
on the high spots to double the thickness of the fabric. LOOK at a factory built
Cub if you don't believe me. You DO NOT rap chafing tape all the way around
the frame of the rudder, horizontal stabilizer, elevator etc and THEN glue the
fabric to the chafing tape. The fabric is glued to the structure of the rudder,
elevator, horizintal stabilizer etc. He had chafi!
> ng tape glued all the way around the perimeter of the tail feathers. Can you
understand that do I need to draw you a picture? He also did the same thing to
the rest of the airframe. What do you fly? I find it hard to believe it is a
jet.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
| From: | "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Guys,
One other thing.....Each of the shoulder straps took about 15 min
to tie the loom..... it used 14 ft of elec wire( each loom ), and it made aprox
a 12" long loom...
It is VERY SIMPLE to do.....It's a simple knot that is repeated over and over....
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
JetPilot: I suggest you go back and read your posts and maybe you will see why
I was offended and deffended myself. When provoked I will strike back quickly.
I make my living saving lives and have done so many times. Believe me I do have
compassion but not when I am on the receiveing end of remarks such as yours.
You meant nothing more but to degrade me with what you said. I am easy to get
along with until someone makes remarks like yours. I am not the only one that
thinks you meant to cut me by what you said on this forum. From what I have
read most agree with me about that. I suggest you look at Jerb's post, the one
dirrectly after your first one, he asked the same questions you did without trying
to make me look like an idiot. If you have a habit of making degrading posts
like the ones to me I am surprised mine is the worst one you have read. I
promise everyone on this forum, if ya'll could have seen the cover job you would
not have flown the plane. The rest of the build was fine, better than fine.
As I stated earlier, I bought the plane over the internet without personally
inspecting it. I will never do that again. It was 1200 miles from me and looked
fine in the photos. Bad mistake. I WILL NOT POST AGAIN CONCERNING JETPILOT.
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| From: | "flykolb" <flykolb(at)wowway.com> |
| Subject: | firebug, jetpilot |
to 24 hours after Received: date
Jim said it best:
Y'all;
Don't y'all think it would be a good idea to drop this thread as it will
lead to a no good end. I feel this ole horse has been whipped enough.
Jim Hauck
Enough already!!
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>
> Stop it already, you are such a whiner.
>
>
When someone comes into the list and on their second day posts a nasty persontal
attack as firebug did, that is totally wrong and uncalled for.
The fact that you support this, and tell me to quietly take firebugs abuse, shows
me that something seriously wrong with your judgement and thinking. The fact
that you are now posting a personal attack tells me that you are in the same
class as firebug. Totally uncalled for on both of your parts.
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| Subject: | Starting new improved thread: Looking for a FireStar |
This is an effort to get away from the last attempt to find a Firestar which went
bad. I have had a response for a realy nice one in Maine but it is more than
I can afford now unless I can sale my Raider kit. It is also rather far away.
Let me know what you have or where one is at. Thanks in advance. Also, I do
know that Kolbs are great aircraft after all I know John H. He lives not far from
me. I have watched him fly many times. I also have attended Oshkosh and Sun
N Fun about 5 or 6 times each. I have watched the factory pilot buzz around
for countless hours. There were several in Wetumpka when I had my Challenger based
there.
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
I am with you so I started a new and Improved thread trying to locate a FireStar.
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| From: | "flht99reh" <flht99reh(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
Mike, you take it (the raging) like a soldier. I really appreciate reading
your stuff. But, I gotta tell ya: You do remind me a little bit like that
"Monk" character on TV. I'll bet you could eat off your garage floor. Course
I'd been know to eat off of anyone's floor, and way past the 5 second rule!
HA, HA! So does this mean were friends and you marcema me a shoulder
harness sleeve?
The good Ralph from Ohio
1990 KXP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pierzina
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 6:59 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Shoulder straps too loose
Hi Guys,
One other thing.....Each of the shoulder straps took about 15
min to tie the loom..... it used 14 ft of elec wire( each loom ), and it
made aprox a 12" long loom...
It is VERY SIMPLE to do.....It's a simple knot that is repeated over and
over....
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
firebug wrote:
> I am with you so I started a new and Improved thread trying to locate a FireStar.
On your second day here on this forum you have posted the worst and nastyest personal
attacks I have ever seen on this forum... Yet you are to small a man
to apologize for your actions. Your actions speak much louder than your words....
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| From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
I would like to see everyones favorite flying pictures from 2005. Taken from kolbs
or of kolbs. We have some great photographers on the list. How about posting
a few of your best from last year? If this works, here are a few of mine......
Roger in Oregon
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| From: | "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
You kids go to your rooms!!
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: 01/23/06 19:58:39
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: firebug, jetpilot
firebug wrote:
> I am with you so I started a new and Improved thread trying to locate a
FireStar.
On your second day here on this forum you have posted the worst and nastyest
personal attacks I have ever seen on this forum... Yet you are to small a
man to apologize for your actions. Your actions speak much louder than
your words....
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder straps too loose |
| From: | "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi,
The knots are so tight....When I started the first one....I broke the wire.
So if it was made and you tried to "slip it on yours"....I don't think it could
be done.....and if it was made "Bigger" it would look sloppy....
It's too late today, but I can take a few pictures, and show you the knot
it's an extremely simple knot.......ya know how you cross your shoe laces before
you make the bow........THAT'S THE KNOT....It's just reversed each time and
it incorperates what your tying it to....
Then "YOU" can knitt.....I mean Macreme too !
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
PS The floors clean....but NOT that clean
[quote!
HA, HA! So does this mean were friends and you marcema me a shoulder
harness sleeve?
The good Ralph from Ohio
1990 KXP
--[/quote]
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
That looks great, maybe I'll be joining you in the sky soon!
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| Subject: | Try Hang gliding it will help your flying skills |
I went to Wallaby Ranch just outside Orlando Fl and got my hang gliding certification.
It is great plus after you are towed up you are powerless. This has seemed
to ease my concerns about engine outs. I have already had 2. I think that
flying under the wing with no power makes you realize just what can be done without
power. I do know that an ultralight will not perform as well as a hang
glider but it still helps when it gets real quiet after the engine stops. If nothing
else go up for a tandem flight with an instructor. I have also flown at
Lookout Mountain Georgia. Great scenery.
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| Subject: | Re: Great aviation movie |
| From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Wow! That is one big kite. I lost count at about 80 chutes. Very impressive
show of precision teamwork.
Too bad those guys only get to fly for 15 mins at a time. :)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Come on up, the air is fine! Can't beat the view from a kolb.
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
I dunno, Roger - I tried to post a reply with pic attached, but nothing
happened when I clicked on "submit." Or "preview" either, for alla that.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:28 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Pictures
>
> Come on up, the air is fine! Can't beat the view from a kolb.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6344#6344
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "rlaird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
C'mon Larry... you can put a non-standard engine on a Kolb, you can figure this
out! [Wink]
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Robert Laird
MkIIIc/912ULS
Houston, TX
http://www.Texas-Flyer.com
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Yearlings....oh well |
Don't y'all think it would be a good idea to drop this thread
Jim Hauck
TO JETPILOT: There are always a few like you on every board talking
when you should shut up. You do not know what you are talking about.
I would hate to fly anything you have built.
-----------------------------
Thanks for your comment. Believe me the plane was not perfectly good.
Kolb-List message posted by: "JetPilot"
firebug wrote:
-----------------------------
I also have a skyraider kit for sale just needs to be covered has
100 hrs on the airframe and 503 DCDI with b box. I don't have the
time to finish it. GREAT kit plane.
Firebug,
-----------------------------
Your response was very nasty and uncalled for. You advertised an
uncovered kit in good shape for sale here. Im sure everyones natural
question was "why was the covering ripped off ".... Telling
someone to shut up for commenting and asking about it is way out of
line and unacceptable conduct here.
-----------------------------
What difference does it make if Firebug was advertising a Kolb or not
??? I could care less, he adviertised it here, so im more than happy
to talk about it in this forum.
-----------------------------
Jetpilot: It not that you asked me why I took the fabric off that was
wrong. It was the way you seem to enjoy saying that I needlessly
ripped the covering off of a perfectly good airplane[it wasn't]. You
repeated that "It turns out that the plane was properly built and the
cover was torn off for nothing
-----------------------------
The way Firebug verbally assaulted me in a very nasty way for
questioning why he did that tells a lot about the kind of man he
is. Given Firebugs response to a legitimate question about an
airplane he is selling, I would never buy an airplane, or do any type
of business with him
------------------------------
I am over it.
firebug wrote:
> I am over it.
------------------------------
Firebug, you come into the list and on your third day here post the
meanest, nastiest post I have ever seen here.... And all you can say
is I am over it.. That just shows what kind of a small man you are.
Nothing short of a very public, and sincere apology would even begin
to correct this
-----------------------------
JetPilot: I suggest you go back and read your posts and maybe you
will see why I was offended and deffended myself. When provoked I
will strike back quickly. I make my living saving lives and have done
so many times. Believe me I do have compassion but not when I am on
the receiveing end of remarks such as yours. You meant nothing more
but to degrade me with what you said. I am easy to get along with
until someone makes remarks like yours.
wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote:
----------------------------
> Stop it already, you are such a whiner.
When someone comes into the list and on their second day posts a
nasty persontal attack as firebug did, that is totally wrong and
uncalled for.
The fact that you support this, and tell me to quietly take firebugs
abuse, shows me that something seriously wrong with your judgement
and thinking. The fact that you are now posting a personal attack
tells me that you are in the same class as firebug. Totally uncalled
for on both of your parts.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
Group,
Since BigLar is having trouble posting pictures, I will post my favorite that he
took. It is of my Firestar at Monument Valley in 2004.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
Group,
Here is my favorite of the in-flight pictures that I took in 2005. Monument Valley,
of course.
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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | firestar for firebug |
Firebug,
I tried to read all the post about you and if you are looking for a firestar John
Cooley has a real nice one I think he is getting ready to sell. Contact me
if you want his number.
ps. He lives in Lucedale MS.
601-480-9979
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
edchmiel(at)mindspring.co wrote:
> "jetpilot',
>
> Please give it a rest, no one cares! I agree with others on the list that
> you repeatedly pointed out how the covering was taken off a 'perfectly
> good' airplane in a taunting manner, not 'asking a question' as you so
> lamely assert. You jumped to a wrong conclusion, now go get a beer and
> relax.
>
> Ed
>
I use this list, which is supposed to be a nice place to discuss Kolbs, where personal
attacks are against the rules. I do care if someone posts a personal
atack against myself on his second day on the list, as you would also had that
attack been directed against you. You seem very quick to say my questions were
out of line, while supporting a blatent personal attack by firebug. That is
about as lame and hipocritical as it gets...
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| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
| Subject: | Post-Covering Inspection |
There are techniques for inspecting the inside of an airplane after it's
been covered. You can install reinforcement rings, which permit later
cutting open the fabric inside the rings for the inspection. Then install
covers.
Refer to the Poly-Fiber book, page 41, for details.
Dave Paule
Boulder, Colorado
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!
On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:04 AM, JetPilot wrote:
>
>
> edchmiel(at)mindspring.co wrote:
>> "jetpilot',
>>
>> Please give it a rest, no one cares! I agree with others on the
>> list that
>> you repeatedly pointed out how the covering was taken off a
>> 'perfectly
>> good' airplane in a taunting manner, not 'asking a question' as
>> you so
>> lamely assert. You jumped to a wrong conclusion, now go get a
>> beer and
>> relax.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>
> I use this list, which is supposed to be a nice place to discuss
> Kolbs, where personal attacks are against the rules. I do care if
> someone posts a personal atack against myself on his second day on
> the list, as you would also had that attack been directed against
> you. You seem very quick to say my questions were out of line,
> while supporting a blatent personal attack by firebug. That is
> about as lame and hipocritical as it gets...
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
> have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6421#6421
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Im starting to learn the rules here, slowly, but im getting it. We can attack
and bash someone publically in the forum and then just say Im over it, and that
makes everything ok. I can live with that, and I will keep my post in the spirit
of what you guys are advocating.
Those of you that are supporting public attacks in this fourm, and are standing
up in support of it, you are idiots. For those of you that are just "tired of
hearing about it" you are spineless fools without the courage to stand up for
what is right.
Im tired of hearing morons telling me just to "shut up" and take it, while supporting
the worst personal attack I have ever seen here. You are worthless hipocritical
loudmouths.
Now SHUT UP and dont complain, because Im am tired of hearing it....
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
They may not be needed on the horizontal stab. If the wing is stalling before
the elevator, there is really nothing to be gained by putting VG's on the elevator.
There is a drag penalty associated with VG's, its not a lot, but I would
not put VG's on that dont need to be there.
Michael A. Bigelow
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| From: | "George E. Thompson" <eagle1(at)commspeed.net> |
| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
Please make all future messages off list. Can't you get it through your
head, that the list is tired of listening to your juvenile rantings.
Az. Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:15 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: firebug, jetpilot
>
> Im starting to learn the rules here, slowly, but im getting it. We can
> attack and bash someone publically in the forum and then just say Im over
> it, and that makes everything ok. I can live with that, and I will keep
> my post in the spirit of what you guys are advocating.
>
> Those of you that are supporting public attacks in this fourm, and are
> standing up in support of it, you are idiots. For those of you that are
> just "tired of hearing about it" you are spineless fools without the
> courage to stand up for what is right.
>
> Im tired of hearing morons telling me just to "shut up" and take it, while
> supporting the worst personal attack I have ever seen here. You are
> worthless hipocritical loudmouths.
>
> Now SHUT UP and dont complain, because Im am tired of hearing it....
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6449#6449
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
I totally agree!
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
eagle1(at)commspeed.net wrote:
> Please make all future messages off list. Can't you get it through your
> head, that the list is tired of listening to your juvenile rantings.
> Az. Bald Eagle
>
> ---
I have been as careful as possible to keep my posts civil, and within the spirit
of this forum. Its pretty hipocritical that you would ignore something like
someone saying "just SHUT UP" while complaining about my posts. Pretty sad that
there is a small and vocal group here that supports personal attacks, "shut
up" and the like. Its not the type of behavior that I support or join in.
And No, I will NEVER let a small, objectional, uncivil, and vocal group of people
stop me from posting.
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| From: | "flht99reh" <flht99reh(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
I glad you have good directional perception! Ha, HA!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jung
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Pictures
Group,
Since BigLar is having trouble posting pictures, I will post my favorite
that he took. It is of my Firestar at Monument Valley in 2004.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| From: | "flht99reh" <flht99reh(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
Beautiful and "on-the-ball". And looks like you were blessed that day, as
that missile went over to your right by quite a distance. HA, HA!
The good Ralph from Ohio
Kolb KXP 1990
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jung
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Pictures
Group,
Here is my favorite of the in-flight pictures that I took in 2005. Monument
Valley, of course.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
Group,
I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I went to Home
Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M tape, and cannot find
it.
So, I thought that I would skip the tape and put them on permanently. But I don't
know how much Loctite 401 is needed.
I also don't have any formica laying around to make a template.
Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also, is 11 inches
back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
In a message dated 1/24/2006 1:57:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com writes:
Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also, is 11
inches back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
My VG's seem to work best on the FS II with the rear of them at 11" back. Do
not measure following the curve of the wing but do use a square & measure
straight back.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| From: | "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
Hi John,
Have you tried a hobby shop that has RC planes? They have
double-sided tape in various thicknesses. Also try the big office supply
stores.
You could probably make a template out of poster board. The
placement isn't that critical, close is good.
As far as the worries about 'deep stall' with VG's on the tail
bottom, the conventional configuration of the Kolbs does not lend itself to
that. Aft CG would be a much bigger worry in any stall recovery scenario.
The conventionally-configured GA aircraft (non T-tail) aircraft I've flown
with VG's on the bottom of the tail flew off nicely at takeoff, rock-solid
at slow speeds, but when they quit flying it was a bit more abrupt than
without VG's. Still had good control, but you better be 6" off the ground
when it quit.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS
>
> Group,
>
> I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I went
> to Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M tape, and
> cannot find it.
>
> So, I thought that I would skip the tape and put them on permanently. But
> I don't know how much Loctite 401 is needed.
>
> I also don't have any formica laying around to make a template.
>
> Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also, is 11
> inches back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
>
> --------
> John Jung
> Firestar II N6163J
> Surprise, AZ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6495#6495
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Firestar(off list) |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
flht99reh(at)netzero.net wrote:
> Now get your butts out and fly!
> Sunday here in mid Ohio was around 50 and calm, and I flew. Awesome!
>
>
Now there is a wise man. A little flying and all this nastyness would be forgotten
:)
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
Right on, larry!
On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Larry Bourne wrote:
>
> I'm gonna hafta add my name to the "lame and hypocritical" list, then.
> Firebug has indicated - publicly - that he's over it, and ready to
> go on
> with life. Why don't you do the same ?? I'm equally tired of
> listening to
> it. If you've got a bitch with someone, discuss it with them
> PRIVATELY -
> off List. Lar. Do not
> Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Building Kolb Mk III
> N78LB Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:04 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: firebug, jetpilot
>
>
>>
>>
>> edchmiel(at)mindspring.co wrote:
>>> "jetpilot',
>>>
>>> Please give it a rest, no one cares! I agree with others on the
>>> list
>>> that
>>> you repeatedly pointed out how the covering was taken off a
>>> 'perfectly
>>> good' airplane in a taunting manner, not 'asking a question' as
>>> you so
>>> lamely assert. You jumped to a wrong conclusion, now go get a
>>> beer and
>>> relax.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>> I use this list, which is supposed to be a nice place to discuss
>> Kolbs,
>> where personal attacks are against the rules. I do care if
>> someone posts
>> a personal atack against myself on his second day on the list, as you
>> would also had that attack been directed against you. You seem
>> very quick
>> to say my questions were out of line, while supporting a blatent
>> personal
>> attack by firebug. That is about as lame and hipocritical as it
>> gets...
>>
>
>
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| From: | Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
Here are some pictures of the VG's on the wing of our FSII, and notes on
placement.
Don't know anything about Loctite 401, we used Shoe Goop from Walmart.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
John Jung wrote:
>
>Group,
>
>I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I went to Home
Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M tape, and cannot find
it.
>
>So, I thought that I would skip the tape and put them on permanently. But I don't
know how much Loctite 401 is needed.
>
>I also don't have any formica laying around to make a template.
>
>Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also, is 11 inches
back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
>
>--------
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
>Surprise, AZ
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6495#6495
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Titan exhaust system |
Kolbers,
If anyone is interested I have 2 Titan 912 exhaust systems for sale. One I just
placed on e-bay item number 4607525912 it has the thicker flanges supplied by
rotax and the standard silencer. The other will be for sale after I replace the
mounting flanges with the "Rotax" units. It has a super trap silencer. Will
post photos after tonight.
thanks
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: The last "wolf" |
Wolf! :D
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
At 01:56 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
I went to an "auto paint store" and got the "good" double stick tape.
Automotive Acrylic Plus Attachment Tape
Stick it on the bottoms of the VGs, then cut around the edges with an
exacto knife.
When you putting them on your wings, you just pull the paper off the
botton and stick them down.
Haven lost one yet.
The instructions say put them on 10 to 12% of the wing cord (including the
ailerons)
back from the leading edge. Too far forward and they will slow down the cruise
speed, too far back and they become ineffective.
I put mine about 11% or 6 1/2 inches back from the leading edge as measured
through the middle of the cord of the wing - average cord.
But you better check with the instructions.
The instructions say VG's should be placed about 1% of the wingspan apart.
I have a 27' 9" wing span.
So I put two in each valley and used the 2.75 inch spacing guide
to "kind of space them out" between each rib and false rib etc.
Just a guess, but it seemed to work out OK.
I made a guide out of some thicker material with the little "rectangles" cut
out where the VG's go, so I could just stick them in the holes
and move the guide to the next valley.
I just put two on at a time and moved the guide to the next set of ribs.
I used the T-square method like Ben Ransom for the set back
<http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Vortex%20Generators.html>http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Vortex%20Generators.html
It took more time to put the tape on each VG than it did
to put the VGs on the plane.
>
>Group,
>
>I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I
>went to Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M
>tape, and cannot find it.
>
>So, I thought that I would skip the tape and put them on
>permanently. But I don't know how much Loctite 401 is needed.
>
>I also don't have any formica laying around to make a template.
>
>Any tips on installing the LandShorters will be appreciated. Also,
>is 11 inches back from the leading edge the best position on a Kolb?
>
>--------
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
>Surprise, AZ
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel(at)kfalls.net> |
| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
>
> eagle1(at)commspeed.net wrote:
>> Please make all future messages off list. Can't you get it through your
>> head, that the list is tired of listening to your juvenile rantings.
>> Az. Bald Eagle
>>
>> ---
>
>
> I have been as careful as possible to keep my posts civil, and within the
> spirit of this forum. Its pretty hipocritical that you would ignore
> something like someone saying "just SHUT UP" while complaining about my
> posts. Pretty sad that there is a small and vocal group here that
> supports personal attacks, "shut up" and the like. Its not the type of
> behavior that I support or join in.
>
> And No, I will NEVER let a small, objectional, uncivil, and vocal group of
> people stop me from posting.
>
I guess the only solution is to go to the "Message Rules" and create a rule
that automatically sends your posts to the delete file. I hope that you
never have anything worth while to ever send, because I for one will never
be able to read it.
Larry, Oregon
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
>
>The instructions say VG's should be placed about 1% of the wingspan apart.
>I have a 27' 9" wing span.
>So I put two in each valley and used the 2.75 inch spacing guide
I forgot to say that I've got an 8 rib wing - your's may be different.
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| Subject: | Great response to request for Firestar |
Thanks for the help from the members of this forum. I have had several good planes
offered but most were 1000 or more miles away. I am looking at one or two
seriosly. I have got to get the Skyraider kit gone before I can buy one. I have
got a majority of the cash already but I invested a decent amount into the Raider.
I can't afford to have 2 planes on a Fire Fighter's salary. I'll say this,
I think I am going to like the Kolb not only for the flight characteristics
but also the association with the guys that already fly them. It is nice to
have talked to and communicated with those of you on this board. I truly appreciate
it. See ya'll at future flyins.
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
> For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!
>
> On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:04 AM, JetPilot wrote:
>
>
This is your SECOND post today on this topic, and you are telling me to "shut up"
? If you are so tired of this, why are you pushing this issue that never
really involved you.
Its very hipocritical on your part to be posting very nasty and uncivil posts at
the same time you are telling me to "just SHUT UP!"
You are way out of line.
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| Subject: | Re: Great response to request for Firestar |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
firebug wrote:
> Thanks for the help from the members of this forum. I have had several good planes
offered but most were 1000 or more miles away. I am looking at one or two
seriosly. I have got to get the Skyraider kit gone before I can buy one. I have
got a majority of the cash already but I invested a decent amount into the
Raider. I can't afford to have 2 planes on a Fire Fighter's salary. I'll say
this, I think I am going to like the Kolb not only for the flight characteristics
but also the association with the guys that already fly them. It is nice to
have talked to and communicated with those of you on this board. I truly appreciate
it. See ya'll at future flyins.
Firebug...
I don't think you mentioned where you're located... It always seems like the best
deals are somewhere across the country...
www.barnstormers.com always has an assortment of Kolbs offered...
DVD
--------
Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| From: | "Beauford" <beauford(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Tape for VORTEX GENERATORS |
John:
The good stuff is 3M catalog # 4011... has red peel-off backing on it and is
gray in color.
Is rated by 3M to hold one pound for every four inches of tape... I stuck
one VG on the wall overnight as
a test and had a devil of a time getting it off... I have recently seen
the 4011 in the local Home Depot,
so some of them are still carrying it...
The white 3M tape is rated for less load.... never tried it.
Good luck...
Beauford
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VORTEX GENERATORS
>
> Group,
>
> I have my set of LandShorter VG's, and now I have to put them on. I went
to Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart and a harware storeto get the 3M tape, and
cannot find it.
> _-> >
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2(at)comcast.net> |
Roger and All,
Most folks have seen by photos from years past, so how about one I just took this
afternoon.
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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| Subject: | Fly-by ( not Kolb ) |
| From: | "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Guys,
My next project will be a Wittman "Tailwind" (W-10)
The address below has two Fly-by's.....One, down the runway , the second is right
overhead....
Their not long....enjoy
http://members.tripod.com/mr_bobtx/bobsflying/id4.html
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Great response to request for Firestar |
The Heart of Dixie, Montgomery Alabama. There are 2 within a decent distance from
me and I am considereing them. I kinda want an enclosed Firestar so I am going
to try to locate one of those first. There is a nice one in MAINE . I don't
believe it could have gotten any further from me. I have been trying to figure
out how to get it if I am able to work something out with the owner. I will
not buy another plane site unseen.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <Lcottrel(at)kfalls.net> |
John W,
I couldn't help but wonder how old you were when your profile picture was
taken? Or even if the picture is of you or someone else that you found at a remote
airport. :P I was also curious as the what state that picture was taken
in? [Rolling Eyes] My picture isn't from a Kolb but I think you will like it
anyway.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <Lcottrel(at)kfalls.net> |
somehow or the other the picture wasn't uploaded. Will try again.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
My Second Flight in my Kolb Firestar II
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| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us> |
| Subject: | Re: Great response to request for Firestar |
Just so you know...turning an Firestar with the little windshield into a
"fully enclosed" one is a very small job. Certainly not worth an extra
1000+ mile drive assuming the 2 planes are otherwise equal...
Jeremy Casey
On the east side of Alabama the Beautiful...Phenix City, Al.
-----Original Message-----
From: firebug [mailto:gcc1964@mon-cre.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Great response to request for Firestar
The Heart of Dixie, Montgomery Alabama. There are 2 within a decent
distance from me and I am considereing them. I kinda want an enclosed
Firestar so I am going to try to locate one of those first. There is a
nice one in MAINE . I don't believe it could have gotten any further
from me. I have been trying to figure out how to get it if I am able to
work something out with the owner. I will not buy another plane site
unseen.
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| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us> |
| Subject: | Fly-by ( not Kolb ) |
They are crazy fast but designed for midgets I believe...I'm 5'10 but
kinda long torso, short legs, and with a headset on I would have had to
build a bubble into the skylight ;-) If your building yourself then
build to fit obviously...
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Pierzina [mailto:planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:45 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fly-by ( not Kolb )
Hey Guys,
My next project will be a Wittman "Tailwind" (W-10)
The address below has two Fly-by's.....One, down the runway , the
second is right overhead....
Their not long....enjoy
http://members.tripod.com/mr_bobtx/bobsflying/id4.html
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
Dear Jet-Jockey
I sent you only one post, and I have no idea why you got -- as you
say --TWO. I didn't send you TWO, and I'm sorry you got TWO.
I sent you one because I was, like I think everyone else, sick and
tired of your mouthing off at a chap who took the covering off his
own aircraft, for his own good reasons.
When you heard about this you made some, frankly, snotty remarks.
Then you continued on spouting forth ad nauseum. This was none of
your business! -- you didn't simply ask a question, but posted
insulting remarks. This is not what the Kolb-list is for.
BTW I'm not hypocritical, and that's the proper spelling. And I have
never posted "nasty and uncivil" posts, as you claim
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, this is the end of it. You seem to
have an attitude and I don't have the time to waste like this, nor
the inclination.
I won't answer any more posts from you.
Are you really an ATP? What's your license number?
On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:28 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
>
> kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
>> For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:04 AM, JetPilot wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
> This is your SECOND post today on this topic, and you are telling
> me to "shut up" ? If you are so tired of this, why are you
> pushing this issue that never really involved you.
>
> Its very hipocritical on your part to be posting very nasty and
> uncivil posts at the same time you are telling me to "just SHUT UP!"
>
> You are way out of line.
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
> have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6565#6565
>
>
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
Ya know, Larry, from the other Larry - that is a darned good idea.
Consider it done. :-) Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel(at)kfalls.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: firebug, jetpilot
>
>>
>> eagle1(at)commspeed.net wrote:
>>> Please make all future messages off list. Can't you get it through your
>>> head, that the list is tired of listening to your juvenile rantings.
>>> Az. Bald Eagle
>>>
>>> ---
>>
>>
>> I have been as careful as possible to keep my posts civil, and within the
>> spirit of this forum. Its pretty hipocritical that you would ignore
>> something like someone saying "just SHUT UP" while complaining about my
>> posts. Pretty sad that there is a small and vocal group here that
>> supports personal attacks, "shut up" and the like. Its not the type of
>> behavior that I support or join in.
>>
>> And No, I will NEVER let a small, objectional, uncivil, and vocal group
>> of
>> people stop me from posting.
>>
>
>
> I guess the only solution is to go to the "Message Rules" and create a
> rule
> that automatically sends your posts to the delete file. I hope that you
> never have anything worth while to ever send, because I for one will never
> be able to read it.
>
> Larry, Oregon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2(at)comcast.net> |
Roger,
Great photos!
I will get to see that area again this May..... :D
Are you planning on being at Monument Valley and/or Alvord Desert?
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
> And I have
> never posted "nasty and uncivil" posts, as you claim......
>
> For Pete's sake, jetpilot -- just SHUT UP!
>
>
You are a liar. That is a very nasty, uncivil, and uncalled for post.
kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
> TWO. I didn't send you TWO,
>
>
Yet another lie. I never said you sent me anything. You have posted a total of
4 posts on this subject now. You feel you have the right to post nasty and
uncivil posts, and then tell me to "shut up". Very lame and very hipocritical.
You have done nothing but try to make this go on as long as possible, I dont think
you are fooling many people.
--------
NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6621#6621
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| From: | "Jimmy" <jhankin(at)planters.net> |
MATT!!!!!!!!!
Time to post your list procedures and equate.
Jimmy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot2(at)comcast.net> |
Roger,
As of now, I'm planning on leaving MV on 22 May for Moab and leaving KCNY on the
24 May. I plan to overnight at KWMC with a mid-morning arrival at the Alvord
Desert on 25 May.
I plan on doing a lot more flying out of the Alvord this year :D
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6626#6626
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Hi Gang:
Here's one of my favorite photos taken by Karen or Larry Cottrell, or it may have
been taken by Stink.
All these photos have got me itching to go.
Left to right: John Hauck, John Williamson, Gary Haley. Alvord Desert, Oregon,
May 2005.
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | When is the Kolb fly in at their plant in Kentucky? |
Thanks
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6650#6650
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| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
| Subject: | unhappy with forum |
Before you call me a Luddite, keep in mind that I've been on-line
since 1977 and I am described by all who know me as a computer geek --
not to mention it's my profession -- so, my complaints have nothing to
do with not knowing "how things work."
This forum has really screwed things up. Prior to it being put into
action, the Kolb list worked just as it has worked for years.
But with the forum....
1) Even though a message will have the same, identical subject line
as a previous message in the thread, my email client(s) will no longer
recognize them as being part of the same thread.... so, for example,
before the forum, if you sent 37 message about 1 subject, and 57
messages about another, I'd have only 2 lines... now I see 80 lines
or so, and that's not fun;
2) Many people have settings to copy the previous message into their
forum post, but many others don't. So, I often get a message from the
latter with a short reply and I don't know what they were referring to
since the previous message wasn't included in the post. So to
understand the post, I might have to dig through quite a few
messages... enough that I don't bother... which means I'm losing
information that might be important to me. And that sux.
Just these two "minor" problems has really made this list a LOT less
friendly, and I'm very frustrated with the change. Matt should never
have pushed the forum unless it first did no harm to the way the list
worked. Yes, it's nice we can post pictures*, etc., etc., etc., but
not all of us can or want to use the web-based forum.
Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
Color me unhappy.
-- Robert
* Posting pictures is EASY in all of the lists that I maintain. The
Kolb list was all the more frustrating because it COULD be done, it
was just disallowed. But, as a list master myself, I understand why
it was done that way, but I don't have to be happy about it. Color me
grumpy.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: unhappy with forum |
Man, I'm glad mine isn't the only chain that gets jerked around
here.........grumpy. :-) Tell ya the truth, I'm not real nuts about the
new format, either, for different reasons.
I solved my receiving problems. A couple of days ago, I got a spam in my
email box, meaning that it came in on a "good guys" address, in this case my
own. Usually, they're from "abcbiglar....etc.", so I just Create a Rule and
spam them. This one was from my address pure and simple, I guess, cause my
address was in the "send to spam" folder. All straight now.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:08 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: unhappy with forum
>
> Before you call me a Luddite, keep in mind that I've been on-line
> since 1977 and I am described by all who know me as a computer geek --
> not to mention it's my profession -- so, my complaints have nothing to
> do with not knowing "how things work."
>
> This forum has really screwed things up. Prior to it being put into
> action, the Kolb list worked just as it has worked for years.
>
> But with the forum....
>
> 1) Even though a message will have the same, identical subject line
> as a previous message in the thread, my email client(s) will no longer
> recognize them as being part of the same thread.... so, for example,
> before the forum, if you sent 37 message about 1 subject, and 57
> messages about another, I'd have only 2 lines... now I see 80 lines
> or so, and that's not fun;
>
> 2) Many people have settings to copy the previous message into their
> forum post, but many others don't. So, I often get a message from the
> latter with a short reply and I don't know what they were referring to
> since the previous message wasn't included in the post. So to
> understand the post, I might have to dig through quite a few
> messages... enough that I don't bother... which means I'm losing
> information that might be important to me. And that sux.
>
> Just these two "minor" problems has really made this list a LOT less
> friendly, and I'm very frustrated with the change. Matt should never
> have pushed the forum unless it first did no harm to the way the list
> worked. Yes, it's nice we can post pictures*, etc., etc., etc., but
> not all of us can or want to use the web-based forum.
>
> Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
> intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
> issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
>
> Color me unhappy.
>
> -- Robert
>
> * Posting pictures is EASY in all of the lists that I maintain. The
> Kolb list was all the more frustrating because it COULD be done, it
> was just disallowed. But, as a list master myself, I understand why
> it was done that way, but I don't have to be happy about it. Color me
> grumpy.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: unhappy with forum |
At 08:08 PM 1/24/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>1) Even though a message will have the same, identical subject line
>as a previous message in the thread, my email client(s) will no longer
>recognize them as being part of the same thread.... so, for example,
>before the forum, if you sent 37 message about 1 subject, and 57
>messages about another, I'd have only 2 lines... now I see 80 lines
>or so, and that's not fun;
Well, this is odd behavior. Why isn't your email client seeing the messages as
the same; what exactly is the difference in the Subject lines? Are you sure
that your email client is using the Subject line to categorize the messages?
Perhaps it uses some other field? Are you sure its the Forum that causing this
problem? Quite unrelated to the Forum addition, I recently implemented a new
way of cleaning the headers from incoming posts to the email lists. Perhaps
this is what is causing your threading problem. You'll really have to give me
some details on how your email client threads for me to look into the problem.
>2) Many people have settings to copy the previous message into their
>forum post, but many others don't. So, I often get a message from the
>latter with a short reply and I don't know what they were referring to
>since the previous message wasn't included in the post. So to
>understand the post, I might have to dig through quite a few
>messages... enough that I don't bother... which means I'm losing
>information that might be important to me. And that sux.
This really isn't a separate problem. The fact that people don't recopy everyone's
previous post over and over and over again is a good behavior.
>Just these two "minor" problems has really made this list a LOT less
>friendly, and I'm very frustrated with the change. Matt should never
>have pushed the forum unless it first did no harm to the way the list
>worked. Yes, it's nice we can post pictures*, etc., etc., etc., but
>not all of us can or want to use the web-based forum.
Robert, I can understand your frustration, but really this is a localized problem
that likely has a simple solution. To slam the new Forums simply because of
this issue is unfair. There are a huge number of people that are extremely
enamored with the new interface and subscriptions have soared since adding the
new Forum interface. And membership is what makes a list successful.
I'm sure we can work your problem out. Please investigate how your client is threading
and we'll have a look. What client are you using, by the way?
>Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
>intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
>issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
Yes, I'm pretty disappointed with the most recent flame war on the List. Please
do not use the List for this purpose. If you want to flame someone, send it
directly to the person. Do not include the List in this type of dialog. Everyone
has been warned.
>* Posting pictures is EASY in all of the lists that I maintain. The
>Kolb list was all the more frustrating because it COULD be done, it
>was just disallowed. But, as a list master myself, I understand why
>it was done that way, but I don't have to be happy about it. Color me
>grumpy.
I can and will enable picture posting on the List whenever we have a majority of
people that would like that feature enabled. My recollection was that people
of the Kolb List opted to not have this feature enabled. Ether way is fine
by me; its up to the List.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
>Color me unhappy.
>
> -- Robert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Group,
Well I finally did it! After several years of building plane and
enclosed trailer I committed aviation in Firefly # O62. After 1 1/4 hours of
flying and 4 landings my gear legs are perfectly straight. I was a little afraid,
after all the talk of bent legs. I even managed to keep her off of her
nose. I can see how it wouldn't take a lot to put Her over , though. She behaved
better than I could hope for, although she will need some trim on the rudder
,as I have to put some pressure on the left pedal. to keep Her straight
Seems She stalls about 35 or so tops out at about 75 and climbs to a thousand
feet by the time I make my base turn. Seems I burned about 3 gal in an hour and
15 min. of flying. Started getting nippy as it was nearing sunset. I just
had a light jacket, unenclosed at 1500 ft .
Many Thanks to: Jack Hart, Beauford T, Don G., Duane DA Plane,
Jerb, John W. and any others that I may have forgotten, for the advice,
suggestions ,warnings, ideas and words of encouragement.
Ed Diebel ( flying Firefly #O62 and not still
building.)
Houston, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: unhappy with forum |
At 08:22 PM 1/24/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>Man, I'm glad mine isn't the only chain that gets jerked around
>here.........grumpy. :-) Tell ya the truth, I'm not real nuts about the
>new format, either, for different reasons.
>
>I solved my receiving problems. A couple of days ago, I got a spam in my
>email box, meaning that it came in on a "good guys" address, in this case my
>own. Usually, they're from "abcbiglar....etc.", so I just Create a Rule and
>spam them. This one was from my address pure and simple, I guess, cause my
>address was in the "send to spam" folder. All straight now.
>Lar.
Lar,
What do you mean here? Why exactly aren't you happy with the new format? Nothing
has changed with respect to the traditional email distribution (except perhaps
for the threading problem described by Robert.) The new Forum format is
just another way to view the messages. Email distribution works the same way
it always did.
Just not sure where you're coming from here...?
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Building Kolb Mk III
>N78LB Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:08 PM
>Subject: Kolb-List: unhappy with forum
>
>
>>
>> Before you call me a Luddite, keep in mind that I've been on-line
>> since 1977 and I am described by all who know me as a computer geek --
>> not to mention it's my profession -- so, my complaints have nothing to
>> do with not knowing "how things work."
>>
>> This forum has really screwed things up. Prior to it being put into
>> action, the Kolb list worked just as it has worked for years.
>>
>> But with the forum....
>>
>> 1) Even though a message will have the same, identical subject line
>> as a previous message in the thread, my email client(s) will no longer
>> recognize them as being part of the same thread.... so, for example,
>> before the forum, if you sent 37 message about 1 subject, and 57
>> messages about another, I'd have only 2 lines... now I see 80 lines
>> or so, and that's not fun;
>>
>> 2) Many people have settings to copy the previous message into their
>> forum post, but many others don't. So, I often get a message from the
>> latter with a short reply and I don't know what they were referring to
>> since the previous message wasn't included in the post. So to
>> understand the post, I might have to dig through quite a few
>> messages... enough that I don't bother... which means I'm losing
>> information that might be important to me. And that sux.
>>
>> Just these two "minor" problems has really made this list a LOT less
>> friendly, and I'm very frustrated with the change. Matt should never
>> have pushed the forum unless it first did no harm to the way the list
>> worked. Yes, it's nice we can post pictures*, etc., etc., etc., but
>> not all of us can or want to use the web-based forum.
>>
>> Then, on top of all that, we get our first flame war in ages -- and,
>> intellectually, I know that has nothing to do with the list-cum-forum
>> issues, but it sure FEELS like it's related.
>>
>> Color me unhappy.
>>
>> -- Robert
>>
>> * Posting pictures is EASY in all of the lists that I maintain. The
>> Kolb list was all the more frustrating because it COULD be done, it
>> was just disallowed. But, as a list master myself, I understand why
>> it was done that way, but I don't have to be happy about it. Color me
>> grumpy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Congratulations, Ed. That's got to be one of the best feelings in the
world. Enjoy, and fly safe. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First flight
>
>
> Group,
>
> Well I finally did it! After several years of building plane and
> enclosed trailer I committed aviation in Firefly # O62. After 1 1/4
> hours of
> flying and 4 landings my gear legs are perfectly straight. I was a little
> afraid,
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <Lcottrel(at)kfalls.net> |
Hi,
I think I have found the problem. The rascall just says that the picture was
rejected, and leaves it up to me to figure out why. Guessing that it is the size?
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
Don G.
After your testing, how far back did you place the LandShorters? What distances
from the leading edge did you try?
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6667#6667
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
N78LB Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First flight
>
>
> Group,
>
> Well I finally did it! After several years of building plane and
> enclosed trailer I committed aviation in Firefly # O62. After 1 1/4
> hours of
> flying and 4 landings my gear legs are perfectly straight. I was a little
> afraid,
> after all the talk of bent legs. I even managed to keep her off of her
> nose. I can see how it wouldn't take a lot to put Her over , though. She
> behaved
> better than I could hope for, although she will need some trim on the
> rudder
> ,as I have to put some pressure on the left pedal. to keep Her straight
> Seems She stalls about 35 or so tops out at about 75 and climbs to a
> thousand
> feet by the time I make my base turn. Seems I burned about 3 gal in an
> hour and
> 15 min. of flying. Started getting nippy as it was nearing sunset. I
> just
> had a light jacket, unenclosed at 1500 ft .
>
> Many Thanks to: Jack Hart, Beauford T, Don G., Duane DA Plane,
> Jerb, John W. and any others that I may have forgotten, for the advice,
> suggestions ,warnings, ideas and words of encouragement.
>
>
> Ed Diebel ( flying Firefly #O62 and not still
> building.)
> Houston, Texas
>
>
>
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
At 12:23 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote:
>
>Don G.
>
>After your testing, how far back did you place the LandShorters?
>What distances from the leading edge did you try?
>
>--------
>John Jung
>Firestar II N6163J
>Surprise, AZ
That's the advantage of using the tape to put them on. You can take
them off with mineral spirits (at least with the tape I used) and
move them. Doesn't hurt the lexan VGs either. I stuck one on my car
windshield for a week before I ever put them on my plane - just to
make sure they would stay in place and to make sure I could take them
off if I didn't like them. They "may" work just as well at 11 inches
back as they do at 11% of the cord. I don't know, I didn't have to
move mine. If your not Very impressed at what they do, I would not
leave them on your plane. It's not something that you would have to
wonder if they're working or not - you will definitely know the
difference. Especially on take off - when you go full throttle and
just keep easing the stick back. Your nose just keeps going up and up
- your speed keeps going down and down - and it just doesn't stall. Neat!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JW Hauck" <jimh474(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: firebug, jetpilot |
JetPilot;
Do believe the Moron that you refer to, is you. If I ain't too Moronish, I
believe you fired the first salvo when you attacked Firebug of why he
removed the fabric from a perfectly good airplane. and then it escalated
from there. The hypocritical loudmouth I belive in the case is you also, as
you seem to forget who attacked whom.
As for being a spineless fool, I'll stack my life time experience up to
yours and we will see who is spineless.
I personally think you are loudmouth spoiled brat that goes and sits on the
pity potty and pouts when you don't get your way.
If you believe that being a jet pilot makes you some kind of hero, and
smarter than everyone else in the world you need to take a hand full of
smart pills and see what the real world is about.
Maybe you should consider building something besides a Kolb, as there is a
bunch of this Old Spineless Moron Fool in those planes. I feel sure that
you wouldn't feel safe flying with the Spineless Moron Fool items in it.
Jim Hauck
On 1/24/2006 11:15:50 AM, kolb-list(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
> Im starting to learn the rules here, slowly, but im getting it. We can
> attack and bash someone publically in the forum and then just say Im over
> it, and that makes everything ok. I can live with that, and I will keep
> my post in the spirit of what you guys are advocating.
>
> Those of you that are supporting public attacks in this fourm, and are
> standing up in support of it, you are idiots. For those of you that are
> just "tired of hearing about it" you are spineless fools without the
> courage to stand up for what is right.
>
> Im tired of hearing morons telling me just to "shut up" and take it, while
> supporting the worst personal attack I have ever seen here. You are
> worthless hipocritical loudmouths.
>
> Now SHUT UP and dont complain, because Im am tired of hearing it....
>
> --------
> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6449#6449
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| From: | "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy(at)comcast.net> |
Good Morning all,
I have been enjoying the posting of everyone's favorite pictures. I would like
to add a couple from MV04'. I had the opportunity to fly with some talented and
great people. Missed MV05' but should be able to make it this year. Boyd Young
was my first Kolb flight, thanks Boyd! I will try to later post a short video
clip of Boyd landing at MV which is really cool!
Thanks guy's!
Bob Dalton
(still lurkin!)
Manteca, CA
--------
Bob Dalton
Manteca, Ca.
wiserguy(at)comcast.net
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| Subject: | What are the differences between FS KXP and the plain FS? |
Can someone explain the benefits or negatives of the FireStar KXP compared to the
FS, if there are any. Thanks for everyones response to my recent posts.
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| From: | Blumax008(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Two seater needed... |
Hey Guys!
New member. Nice to see that "nastiness" is alive & well here on the Kolb
list like most other sites. Nothing like a little hate to keep things
interesting.
Just bought Bruce Harrison's 3rd. Kolb off eBay. Been flying U/L's since '79
beginning with a canard-less "Terror-Dactyl." I'm one of the few left alive
to tell about it. Then Quicksilvers, Wizards, Maxair....great photo plane
that Maxair, will do some incredible things. Now Kolbs.
Also have a Trike out front with a bulletproof 503 Rotax. Over 1,200 hours
on that Rotax without an overhaul. I'm a firm believer in the old axiom: "if it
ain't broke, don't fix it."
I would have to say the Maxair is the most "funner" while the Kolb is fun
but the most practical. I use it for aerial photography here on the
soon-to-be-overdeveloped coast of northwest Florida south of Tallahassee.
Bruce did a great job on modifying the windshield. I can light a cigar on
the way to the aerial photo site. Yeah, I know there's 10 gallons of gas 2 feet
behind me but I like to live dangerously.
Do any of you guys know of anyone wanting to sell one of those newfangled
side-by-side two seater Kolbs? Twinstars or something like that? An old one
would suffice. Any help sincerely appreciated & thanks for listening to my BS.
I'm 58. I've got a 21 year old wife wanting to learn to fly. She's 8 months
pregnant with my first child! Can you believe I went to Catholic school for nine
years!? The Nuns would have me for lunch!
Sincerely,
Bill Catalina
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: unhappy with forum |
Matt/all,
I for one love the new forum. At a glance I can view what's interesting to me and
skip the rest. And no longer have to "delete delete delete". Like vortex generators
and the jetjock/firebug war. Nothing of intrest to me there so dont have
to read it nor delete it :D
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: Two seater needed... |
I like this guy allready! I say a mechanic ain't a mechanic is he cant' stare down
a four barrel carb with a lit marlboro in his mouth! Seriously Here again
I will send you to John Cooley. He has a beautiful twinstar for sell. Firebug
inquired about his firestar yesterday. Call me if you want Johns info 601-480-9979.
Sheesh I need to hit John up for commision!
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| From: | Blumax008(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Thanks Paul! Got it!...Bill C. |
Your neighbor up here in redneck country.
Bill Catalina
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| Subject: | Re: VORTEX GENERATORS |
John J,
You are taxing my poor memory John...(grin).....but I had those VGs from 14 back
from the leading edge...to 6 inchs back..measured with a square..not around
the airfoil. I also tryed a staggered pattern...and a chevron pattern...with the
outboard VGs aft and the inboard fore. Neither of these worked worth a dang
BTW. NOw I have the landshorters on permenant...all my moveing around was with
the alum vgs John , as the little LS VGs couldnt hardly be applied with tape.
As I mentioned...mine are a little farther back than LS recommended. They had
a spec...which I cannot remember..but was a % of the chord from the LE..when
I calculated this, it was at the foremost of the testing I did..and knew I wanted
a higher ROC than a lower stall and set the LS vgs back a bit..I think about
10 or 11 inchs..I will measure them when I get over to the hangar sometime.
I guess I oughtta go see if the flag fly is still there! Been working on this
old Luscombe in what spare time I have.
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Don G
FireFly#098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| Subject: | Battles worth fighting |
| From: | Todd Fredricks <flyingfox(at)copper.net> |
You know, a year ago, well about 7 months ago a good friend of mine, a kid
who I held as a baby, left his leg and a fair amount of blood on a road I
had traveled the year before. A place called Taji, north of Baghdad. All he
was doing was providing a security escort for some water trucks or milk
trucks or something, doesn't really matter, fact is I visited him at Walter
Reed and here is this fine young man missing his right leg at 25 years old.
Make a long story short, I am so happy that my 172 is about to sell because
I can now look forward to a deposit on a Mark III and adventures that might
only poorly match the likes of others on this list. But I have all my parts,
everything still works reasonably well, I live in a country where I don't
have to appease some descendent of a feudal lord to be granted the grand
privilege of flying about anywhere I want and I am surrounded by fellow
Americans.
Point is, there are battles worth fighting and this isn't one of them.
Really, trust me on this. In another month no one will remember fabric on
tubes or not, they will remember hard feelings between members of the same
team. There are much larger dragons to focus on.
My two cents worth.
Mountain Fox 8, out.
On 1/24/06 12:07 PM, "JW Hauck" wrote:
>
>
> JetPilot;
>
> Do believe the Moron that you refer to, is you. If I ain't too Moronish, I
> believe you fired the first salvo when you attacked Firebug of why he
> removed the fabric from a perfectly good airplane. and then it escalated
> from there. The hypocritical loudmouth I belive in the case is you also, as
> you seem to forget who attacked whom.
>
> As for being a spineless fool, I'll stack my life time experience up to
> yours and we will see who is spineless.
>
> I personally think you are loudmouth spoiled brat that goes and sits on the
> pity potty and pouts when you don't get your way.
>
> If you believe that being a jet pilot makes you some kind of hero, and
> smarter than everyone else in the world you need to take a hand full of
> smart pills and see what the real world is about.
>
> Maybe you should consider building something besides a Kolb, as there is a
> bunch of this Old Spineless Moron Fool in those planes. I feel sure that
> you wouldn't feel safe flying with the Spineless Moron Fool items in it.
>
> Jim Hauck
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/24/2006 11:15:50 AM, kolb-list(at)matronics.com wrote:
>>
>> Im starting to learn the rules here, slowly, but im getting it. We can
>> attack and bash someone publically in the forum and then just say Im over
>> it, and that makes everything ok. I can live with that, and I will keep
>> my post in the spirit of what you guys are advocating.
>>
>> Those of you that are supporting public attacks in this fourm, and are
>> standing up in support of it, you are idiots. For those of you that are
>> just "tired of hearing about it" you are spineless fools without the
>> courage to stand up for what is right.
>>
>> Im tired of hearing morons telling me just to "shut up" and take it, while
>> supporting the worst personal attack I have ever seen here. You are
>> worthless hipocritical loudmouths.
>>
>> Now SHUT UP and dont complain, because Im am tired of hearing it....
>>
>> --------
>> NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
>> !!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6449#6449
>>
Todd Fredricks, DO
Flying Fox Services
Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: When is the Kolb fly in at their plant in Kentucky? |
Last weekend in september! See you there we hope
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
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| Subject: | Re: What are the differences between FS KXP and the plain FS? |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
firebug wrote:
> Can someone explain the benefits or negatives of the FireStar KXP compared to
the FS, if there are any. Thanks for everyones response to my recent posts.
I will assume that by FS, you mean "original Firestar". The KXP uses a wing that
has a few more ribs, like the Firestar II and Mark II. I believe that the extra
ribs allow for a higher gross weight and VNE. The cage is also different.
The 447 was the largest engine recommended of an original while the KXP can handle
the 503.
I trust that someone will correct me if I am wrong.
If you are willing to live with a 70 mph VNE and a 447, the original is a great
plane. But after flying with a dual ignition 503, I would not want to fly with
a single ignition again.
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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: What are the differences between FS KXP and the plain FS? |
| From: | "David.Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
John Jung wrote:
> If you are willing to live with a 70 mph VNE and a 447, the original is a great
plane. But after flying with a dual ignition 503, I would not want to fly with
a single ignition again.
Oops, I have the 5 rib wing with a single ignition 503, belt drive to boot!...
Are my days numbered? ;-) ...
Seriously, should I be concerned about this combination?...
DVD
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Any pilot can describe the mechanics of flying. What it can do for the spirit
of man is beyond description.
Barry M. Goldwater, US senator.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Pictures |
| I have been enjoying the posting of everyone's favorite pictures. |
|
| Bob Dalton
Hi Bob D/Gang:
Good pic of John W. Put some more up. Be looking for you in May.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | My Post From Yesterday |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
To All members of the list:
I wrote a post yesterday that I should have never written. I had just read a profane
and offensive email from one of the guys and I responded in the forum while
I was still pretty hot about it. I use the new Forum format, and upon reading
my own post, decided it was not appropriate for the list and I almost immidately
erased it. What I did not realize is that it went to the old email
list even after I erased it here.
To all those that recieved it in email, I did not intend to get out, and it was
definately not something I am proud to have put on the list. I would like to
offer my sincere apology to all in the list for my very inappropriate post.
Michael A. Bigelow
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NO FEAR - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What are the differences between FS KXP and the plain |
FS?
| Oops, I have the 5 rib wing with a single ignition 503, belt drive
to boot!... Are my days numbered? ;-) ...
|
| Seriously, should I be concerned about this combination?...
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| DVD
DVD/Gang:
If it were my 5 rib wing, I would fly it as a 5 rib wing, and not a 7
rib wing.
That wing was designed for a 377 Rotax. If built and flown within the
design envelope, should last forever.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: My Post From Yesterday |
| From: | Todd Fredricks <flyingfox(at)copper.net> |
Been there done that. It is all in the perspective... ...now lets get back
to the airplanes!
Todd
On 1/25/06 11:25 AM, "JetPilot" wrote:
>
>
> To All members of the list:
>
> I wrote a post yesterday that I should have never written.
--
Todd Fredricks, DO
Flying Fox Services
Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
In a message dated 1/25/2006 8:20:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
beauford(at)tampabay.rr.com writes:
P.S. Started on your trailer yet? Will be looking for you over here with
that thing before long...
Beauford,
I had to build a Trailer before I could take the Firefly to the airport.
I built one from Duane's bluprints and if I weren't so computer ignorant I
would have posted pictures. The weather here is sunny, bout 70* but a little
windy. I dont want to push my luck and fly in conditions I'm not ready for,but
I'm waitin to give Her another go.
Ed Diebel Do Not Archieve
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| Subject: | Re: Two seater needed... |
In a message dated 1/25/2006 9:16:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Blumax008(at)aol.com writes:
Do any of you guys know of anyone wanting to sell one of those newfangled
side-by-side two seater Kolbs? Twinstars or something like that? An old one
would suffice. Any help sincerely appreciated & thanks for listening to my
BS.
Bill, check our website www.trentonflyers.com ; then click on " for sale".
There's a really nice Twinstar or Mk II [not sure which] with no engine.
Located here in SC.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Two seater needed... |
| Do any of you guys know of anyone wanting to sell one of those
newfangled
| side-by-side two seater Kolbs? Twinstars or something like that? An
old one
| would suffice. Any help sincerely appreciated & thanks for listening
to my
| BS.
|
|
| Bill, check our website www.trentonflyers.com ; then click on " for
sale".
| There's a really nice Twinstar or Mk II [not sure which] with no
engine.
| Located here in SC.
|
| Howard Shackleford
Bill C/Gang:
And there's a brand new 503 Rotax in Woodville, Fl, forsale to go with
it.
Call 850-421-1506.
john h
MKIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
| I'm waitin to give Her another go.
|
|
| Ed Diebel Do Not Archieve
Hi Ed D/Gang:
Good on ya!!!
Glad you had a good first flight.
john h
MKIII
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| Subject: | Re: When is the Kolb fly in at their plant in Kentucky? |
Do any of ya'll in the south get together and fly up. If I am able to purchase
a plane that will fly at comparable airspeeds with several of ya'll that would
be a hoot. We keep in touch.
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| From: | Thom Riddle <jtriddle(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: unhappy with forum |
I am still using the email distribution method and am very happy with
the enhancements. I can now view attached photos by merely clicking on
the link to the photo. Lots easier than the old "photoshare" method.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Animated Weather pictures software |
| From: | "Noel" <noel(at)teledata.qc.ca> |
Hello Group !
I am sending a little software that i developed a few years ago that
will download and animate some satellite weather picture from the
Canadian ministry of environment.
You can select:
- A map location (Easter Canada, Eastern US, etc)
- The map type (visible, Infra red, combo)
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