Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-gi
October 07, 2006 - November 13, 2006
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:44 AM
> Now, should I fly the Mark III with that gigantic vertical trim removed
> or not? Taxied and hot taxied and seemed like I had some rudder effect on
> the ground without the 12x7" hunk of bent aluminum on the tail...?
> What's the worst scenario?
>>
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Bing Throttle Slide Repair |
Kolbers,
To improve fuel flow performance consistency, I installed the strongest throttle
return spring that Bing offers. After 25 hours, low speed throttle setting
became unstable. For example, I would start the engine and begin my taxi out
to the engine warm up area. The engine would be turning about 2,000 rpm but a
slight nuge to the throttle would send engine speed up to over 3,000 rpm. If
one retarded the throttle a trifle, the engine rpm would drop to or below 2,000
rpm. The throttle acted just fine at flight engine speeds, but low engine
speeds made for interesting taxiing to and from the runway.
Upon taking the slide from the carburetor, I found significant wear on the
inside of the slide where the spring bumped and wore the pot metal away.
The grooves were so deep that the spring could not expand smoothly up and
down over the grooves. This is what was causing the low engine speed
problem.
I repaired the slide for less than five dollars. The first flight test
showed that the repair improved low speed throttle performance. At this
time I have to build many more hours to see what the slide will look like
after 25 additional hours.
If anyone would like to see the problem and how it was fixed, I added an
update to the bottom of:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly121.html
Had a nice cool flight today. Farmers were harvesting soybeans and corn.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Hi
I flew for 10 yrs. with only a yaw string, recently installed skid/ slip,
they do not
correspond.
FWIW Duane FS2
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
At 12:14 AM 10/5/2006, you wrote:
>Well, c'mon, go fer it. Whatcha waitin' for ?? Do
>not Archive.
>
Here some you can watch & make varooom ...varoooom noises
to Larry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bDLH85njs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqenFwxe2I
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
You sure fly high for a submarine! I love the weather vane on the front.
:-) I am intending to make a trip over to the Owhyee Canyon this day if
the weather holds and I can find a place to store my shotgun. Chuckar
and Quail season opened yesterday. I may even try to take some pictures.
Larry, Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: possums
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Videos
At 12:14 AM 10/5/2006, you wrote:
Well, c'mon, go fer it. Whatcha waitin' for ?? Do
not Archive.
Here some you can watch & make varooom ...varoooom noises
to Larry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2bDLH85njs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaqenFwxe2I
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb List Protocol, Or Lack Thereof ;-) |
|
| IT'S "FLIGHT" RELATED FOR GOSH SAKE!!!!
|
| IT'S ALSO VERY FUNNY.
|
| LIGHTEN UP.
|
| THIS SITE IS FOR "PILOTS"
Hi Chris M/Gang:
Notice, this post is addressed to Chris and everyone else on the Kolb
List.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. This is the Kolb
builders/flyers list. It is Kolb specific now, and was prior to my
membership 8+ years ago. Matte Dralle's guidelines, which he posts to
the List monthly, are located here. Take a minute and "really" read
and try to understand them before you make your next post:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2240
They are clear, concise, and are the "commandments" that Kolb List
members have used to keep this List one of the best on the internet.
We don't have List Monitors, Hall Monitors, are whatever else you want
to call them. We are "self policing". To me, that means I take time
to read Matte's guidance and try to live by his desires. If folks
keep disregarding Matte's guidance, then.......it is up to someone to
step up and remind that person of the correct procedure for being a
member of this List.
If someone does not want to comply with Matte Dralle's guidance for
the Kolb List, then he probably does not belong here.
I try to share what little bit I have learned building and flying
Kolbs with the List. However, it is a waste of time wading through a
lot of extraneous crap in order to get to something that is "really"
Kolb related.
The Kolb List has slipped somewhat in the recent past, probably
because folks aren't reading and abiding by the guidelines.
Of specific importance is to insure the subject reflects what we are
discussing, which helps us search the archives for info.
It is also important to cut previous posts, keeping a few lines of it
to insure continuity in the discussion. Takes a moment to cut a msg,
rather than regurgitate what has been previously posted.
Folks, I am as guilty as anyone else of breaking these commandments.
At times, I forget to change the subject line, send replies before I
type something, and all the other "uh ohs" that are made on this List.
Let's all try to make this List work the way it was intended, and the
way it has operated in the past.
I do not believe anyone is nit picking because they expect the List to
operate as prescribed. Jumping on John W, or anyone else, who
supports Matte's guidelines, is a waste of time and just might be
categorized as nit picking.
Thanks,
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | MKIII Trim Tabs (subject changed) |
| Now, should I fly the Mark III with that gigantic vertical trim
removed or
| not? Taxied and hot taxied and seemed like I had some rudder effect
on the
| ground without the 12x7" hunk of bent aluminum on the tail...?
What's the
| worst scenario?
|
| jsf
John F:
My old mkIII flies about as well out of trim as it does in trim.
Can't really detect much difference.
Most folks automatically assume the aircraft is not rigged corrected
when they fly a mkIII without the proper rudder trim. However, I have
found through the years, adverse yaw is primarily caused by the nature
of Kolb aircraft design, especially mkIII's with high horse power
engines, 65, 80 and 100. I think it has to do with the way the prop
wash hits the tail section, primarily. Sometimes engineers,
scientists, and great thinkers, have a difficult time realizing this
simple problem and the simple solution to correct it. I am sure they
can find their answer with a calculator or a computer. I did not do
it that way. I experimented with changing thrust line, changing
leading edge position of the upper vertical stabilizer, and good old
fashioned sheet metal trim tabs. Only the trim tab worked, and it
took some time and energy to get the correct size and angle. Now my
mkIII with 912ULS flies in trim without aid of a heavy foot on the
rudder pedals.
If you are interested in the size and angle I use on my mkIII, next
time I am at the airstrip I will get that info for you. If you are
interested enough, you can do a search in the archives, because I have
posted this info, more than once, in the past. That is what makes the
archives so important, and that is why it is important to use the
correct subject line and keep your msgs informational.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net> |
Dave;
My sincerest congratulations on your accomplishment.
George Bass
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VG's for doubters |
On Oct 8, 2006, at 7:17 PM, jimhefner wrote:
> Try VG's, you'll be amazed that such a simple little thing can make
> such a big improvement in your aircraft performance and it doesn't
> have downsides.
Thanks to a beautiful evening and my VGs and flaps I had the
privilege Sunday evening to fly in a nice stable nose high 28 mph
indicated airspeed side by side in close formation with a local
two place powered parachute.
I think all that is pretty amazing for a fat pilot in a fat Kolb
Firestar.
VGs ,,,,,,, big improvement ,,,,,,,, no downsides ?
YOU BET !
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Usage |
On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:51 PM, Larry Bourne wrote:
>
> Yah, isn't it too bad it's come down to this.
Hey guys, careful now !
If you get any better at *preaching* yer gonna make our Reverend
Pike envious.
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Usage |
On Oct 9, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
> Of what?
Certainly not the message but perhaps the zeal.
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VG's for doubters ;-) |
On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:43 AM, David Key wrote:
> My primary goal with the VG's isn't a slower stall speed but a more
> pronounced stall buffet or some kind of indication that I can feel.
One clear indication for me of a pending stall with my VGs and flaps
is the stick being pushed hard against my belly button.
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VG's for doubters ;-) |
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VG's for doubters ;-)
>
> Ok I want them.
> Is Landshorter.com the only one that has them?
> Looks like I need around 50 anyone want to split an order?
You can of course order them, I believe that if I were going to spend money
on some I would try the "feather"? ones made by the Aussie company. However
if you want to try some first there is this method. I used a 2x4 a piece of
scrap polycarb.
Larry, Oregon
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noel(at)teledata.qc.ca> |
| Subject: | A selection of flying picture |
Hello group !
I have been taking pictures on my camera-phone for a few months now
and decided to post a few selected to the group.
Note that the technical quality of the picture is quite low but it does not
always makes for a bad image ... I found that the digital zoom can give
a nice "impressionist" look to some pictures.
As you will see i am mostly interrested by details, colors and textures.
You can see it here on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kolb_flying
or as a "slide-show" here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kolb_flying/show/
Nol Bouchard
Montreal, Canada
Kolb Twinstar Mk II
Rotax 503 DC
370 Hrs since 2000
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| From: | "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)msbit.net> |
| Subject: | Re: How Long have YOU been on the Kolb list |
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41)
May 28, '96
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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| From: | Bob Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: How Long have YOU been on the Kolb list |
Although the so-called archive thing says I first got on the list abt
Oct 03, I have some old msgs on another computer in 2000 using my old
ISP.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: How Long have YOU been on the Kolb list |
| From: | "geoffthis" <geoffthis(at)charter.net> |
First post March 16, 1998 - finished Firestar II in '99 and bent it 50 hrs later...about
to start the rebuild. No really hope to be flying next summer...
Geoff Thistlethwaite
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=66909#66909
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April of 96, I had questions about ordering kits 2 and 3 and what were the
largest tires I could get. The funny thing is I still remember getting the
"after market" tires via ups and opening the box. I think that was half the
fun of building; getting items via UPS and having Christmas come many times
a year, and it was exactly what I wanted!
Jason
MKIII C
BMW R100
2 hours and now with a 2 bay lexan trim tab she flies straight. Thanks John
H for all the testing and recommendations on what works. It really takes
allot of the "what if I tried this" out of it and allows me to fix it and
move on. This list is also very comforting in that I know that that foot
full of left rudder I needed was my Kolb flying just like a Kolb does. Next
on the agenda is move the rods in on the aileron horn to try to make it
lighter in roll (thank you Mr Pike).
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| 2 hours and now with a 2 bay lexan trim tab she flies straight.
Jason
MKIII C
BMW R100
Jason:
Where are you located?
How many BMW powered Kolbs do we have out there? Yes, I am interested
in BMW power. Always have been, even though I have a new 912ULS
sitting on the bench waiting on time to get it installed on the mkIII.
I think I related to the group about interdicting Mike Richardson and
his BMW powered mkIII a few minutes south of Henderson, Ky. He has
the fuel injected version. Looked good.
How are the BMW's doing? You guys getting any time on them? Making
in cross country flights? Is everyone using a Rotax C gearbox? What
kind of performance figures are you all getting? Would a BMW
conversion be practical for a long distance cross country flight on a
Kolb? I'm curious.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noel(at)teledata.qc.ca> |
| Subject: | New 6 Gals. tanks |
Hell all !
I have installed 2 new gas tanks bought from TNK co.
and wanted to share my findings with the group ...
These are the new 6 US gallons ones. The first thing i noticed
is that they are made of a quite thin plastic ... much thinner than
what i had before.
After fitting the pickup fitting i changed all the fuel
lines to black auto fuel line. I use a type made by Gates which their
catalog says it is suitable for gaz "and other petoleum distilates"
A friend of mine used exactly the same type of lines on it's 582 without
any poblem and the lines we're as strong after 5 years ...
On the clearance side ... The thanks are about 2 inches taller ...
it is a tight fit in my Twinstar Mk II but the thank do not interfere
with the aileron controls ... but the starting rope rubs a bilt against
the
thank near the cap which may cause a problem in the long run ...
I may have to fit some sort of guide to avoid this ...
Overall, i am quite pleased by the result having gained 2 gallons or a good
40 minutes more endurance with my 503 DC ...
I just hope the tank will prove to be stong enough over time ...
Nol
Twinstar MK II
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New 6 Gals. tanks |
Noel -
Would you post info about TNK - how to contact them as
well as the item # for the tanks? Also, what color
are the tanks? The standard red, or opaque white
or...?
Thanks,
Arty
--- Noel Bouchard wrote:
>
>
> Hell all !
>
> I have installed 2 new gas tanks bought from TNK co.
> and wanted to share my findings with the group ...
>
> These are the new 6 US gallons ones. The first
> thing i noticed
> is that they are made of a quite thin plastic ...
> much thinner than
> what i had before.
>
> After fitting the pickup fitting i changed all the
> fuel
> lines to black auto fuel line. I use a type made by
> Gates which their
> catalog says it is suitable for gaz "and other
> petoleum distilates"
> A friend of mine used exactly the same type of lines
> on it's 582 without
> any poblem and the lines we're as strong after 5
> years ...
>
> On the clearance side ... The thanks are about 2
> inches taller ...
> it is a tight fit in my Twinstar Mk II but the
> thank do not interfere
> with the aileron controls ... but the starting rope
> rubs a bilt against
> the
> thank near the cap which may cause a problem in the
> long run ...
> I may have to fit some sort of guide to avoid this
> ...
>
> Overall, i am quite pleased by the result having
> gained 2 gallons or a good
> 40 minutes more endurance with my 503 DC ...
> I just hope the tank will prove to be stong enough
> over time ...
>
> Nol
> Twinstar MK II
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New 6 Gals. tanks |
| From: | "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh(at)columbus.rr.com> |
"O" Noel, you didn't have the "O" in "Hello". They would eat you for lunch, for
such a discrepancy.
You are 100 % correct on the gas tank wall thickness. It still works well even
when flipped over with plane, as I have done. The walls do vacuum in a bit when
they drain at high speed (as in pumped out with Facet pump directly to a reserve
tank, no resistance). But they hold up quite well. I believe they can use
that tank because the wall interiority is connected to the fact that they are
contained within a structure and have a metal frame around them, as in my Firestar.
The bottom wall is a bit thinner than I would like as I use both the Facet and
the Rotax mechanical pump discharging from the bottom, verses the strainer suction
weighted tube hanging down inside. At least for me, the rubber expansive
inserts work well and have held up without leaking. Even when I inverted my Kolb
abruptly with a full tank.
You might want to apply a trick that Planecrazzy used to draw air from a point
lower than the tank. You would then have to close off any air intake on top or
in the cap and use a hole, possibly in that small nozzle with the cap on the
other side of the top. No one thinks of being inverted until they are. But the
other good side of the tube going below is that rain and splashed weather wont
enter your tank
Ohio Ralph
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67018#67018
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noel(at)teledata.qc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: New 6 Gals. tanks |
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noel(at)teledata.qc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: New 6 Gals. tanks |
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noel(at)teledata.qc.ca> |
| Subject: | New 6 Gals. tanks |
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| Subject: | Re: How Long have YOU been on the Kolb list |
| From: | "grabo172" <grabo172(at)sc.rr.com> |
About 15 minutes... :D
Just registered tonight, but have been lurking and learning soooo much from this
list.
I just bought my first Kolb Firestar about 2 months ago. I would have loved to
build one, but I haven't the space to. Heck I barely have a space to keep it.
It's tucked away in its trailer at the airport until I can find a hangar home
for it here in Charleston. So everytime I fly, it's the whole unfold and fold
when done. (can't wait for a hangar!)
Just by reading this list, I have a "To Do" List about a mile lng on my little
bird and can't wait to get started fine tuning and tweaking her.
And when I do finally get some space, I'm going to shoot for a MKIIIX... Ahh dreams!
--------
-Erik Grabowski
Kolb Firestar N197BG
CFI/CFII
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67061#67061
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| From: | "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)msbit.net> |
| Subject: | Re: How Long have YOU been on the Kolb list |
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41)
> Now that you mention it, I remember the majordomo deal.
> Can't remember if I was a member than or not but I recall the @majordomo.com
Majordomo was a moniker used for almost all open source
mailing list administrators. T'wasn't a person's handle or anything
like that....
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noel(at)teledata.qc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: New 6 Gals. tanks |
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noel(at)teledata.qc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: New 6 Gals. tanks |
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| From: | Noel Bouchard <noelbou(at)cam.org> |
| Subject: | Re: New 6 Gals. tanks |
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John H wrote:
Jason:
Where are you located?
How many BMW powered Kolbs do we have out there? Yes, I am interested in BMW
power. Always have been, even though I have a new 912ULS sitting on the
bench waiting on time to get it installed on the mkIII.
I think I related to the group about interdicting Mike Richardson and his
BMW powered mkIII a few minutes south of Henderson, Ky. He has the fuel
injected version. Looked good.
How are the BMW's doing? You guys getting any time on them? Making in cross
country flights? Is everyone using a Rotax C gearbox? What kind of
performance figures are you all getting? Would a BMW conversion be practical
for a long distance cross country flight on a Kolb? I'm curious.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
Hello John and all,
I will first give you the same advice you have handed out on the list a
hundred times, check the archives :). I know Hans V posted recently and I
believe he has over 200 hours on his. I know of 4 MKIII's currently flying
with BMW R100 engines. Me, Tim W, Hans V, and Jim G. The engine we are all
using is the air-cooled version that they stopped producing in about 1994.
It has dual Bing Carbs (the same carbs as the 912). I believe it produced
about 65 horses in stock trim on the motorcycle. I have had mine worked
over a bit and I believe it should produce around 75 HP. I do not know what
kind of cross country flying the others have done, but I hope to get down to
Monument Valley some day. I am still in the process of wringing out my
engine. I believe some jet changes are in order and fix the exhaust
brackets that cracked and such. All of us are using Rotax "C" gear boxes.
I am using a 3:1 with a ultralight 72" in-flight adjustable IVO. I think
Hans is using the same set up but might have a shorter prop. I know Jim is
using a 2.62:1 gear box. The engine you refer to that I believe Mike R has
is a newer version that displaces about 1.1L, has throttle body fuel
injection and oil cooled heads. BMW just came out with a new engine that
displaces 1.2L and produces 100hp on the bike. It is not only lighter than
previous engines but has a internal balance shaft inside to make it
smoother. It has been getting rave reviews in the motorcycle world. If I
had a choice, I would have gone with a 912, but as I stated in a previous
post, I have about $3500 into the engine and about $15000 into the complete
aircraft. I have a young family and even getting that done over a 10 year
span was a stretch, so the 912 was just not an option for me. I will try to
post to the list the numbers I am getting as soon as I get everything
settled down. I might add that doing the conversion was much simpler that I
thought. I have no background in machining and had all (3) of my parts
machined at a local community college. It took about a year (1 part a
session) but all I had to do was provide the materials (which I got from a
scrap bin) and buy some pizza for the end of year party. I got some
excellent advice from Jim G on how to mark blind holes and such and off I
went. I got my gear box off of e-bay. Only time will tell if this whole
thing will be a "good deal" or not, but so far it looks promising.
Jason, MKIIIC, BMW R100, Portland, Oregon
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: BMW on MKIII |
| I will first give you the same advice you have handed out on the
list a
| hundred times, check the archives :).
|
| Jason, MKIIIC, BMW R100, Portland, Oregon
Hi Jason:
Thanks for the advice. I did a search on "jason omelchuck" and came
up with 210 archived msgs.
You mentioned the fuel injected BMW had oil cooled heads. A lot of
the folks refer to the 912 series engines as watercooled. The heads
are primarily oil cooled and secondarily water cooled. Cylinders are
air cooled.
Hopefully, the extra horses you squeezed out of the BMW will make it a
viable engine for the mkIII. Rotax is a very expensive option and
getting more expensive every day. However, they do have a good
reliable product, but would be a whole lot more fun to fly on a
smaller budget.
With engine prices, fuel, and insurance, doesn't take long to eat up a
small retirement budget.
Take care and thanks for the info,
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Dumb Question Alert |
I warned you.
Legally, do we need a tailwheel endorsement before we fly the Kolbs?
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| From: | Erik Grabowski <grabo172(at)sc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb Question Alert |
Yes...
If it is E-AB or you are a Rec pilot or above then a tailwheel
endorsement by a CFI is needed.
E-LSA and a Sport Pilot, then a tailwheel set sign off is needed from an
SP-CFI or CFI.
No...
If being flown under Part 103
Not a dumb question at all, good to know the legalities!
-Erik
Kolb Firestar N197BG
CFI/CFII
David Key wrote:
>
> I warned you.
>
>
> Legally, do we need a tailwheel endorsement before we fly the Kolbs?
>
>
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb Question Alert |
No such thing as a dumb question, and I hate to admit that I don't know the
answer for you. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Dumb Question Alert
>
> I warned you.
>
>
> Legally, do we need a tailwheel endorsement before we fly the Kolbs?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: possum's dream machine |
| From: | "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh(at)columbus.rr.com> |
Just wondering where the "Kolb" police are today? Not thats its all that important.
I don't personally have a problem with this post. Possum is a poster and provider
of information. And his cute little manipulation of this same aircraft and
the nose of a Kolb, I thought was quite impressive.
And I like your video's and want to see more with some fall colors.SO get back
up ther and spend some more time behind the camera!
Ohio Ralph
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67247#67247
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb Question Alert |
| From: | "grabo172" <grabo172(at)sc.rr.com> |
As long as you get the CFI to sign your logbook for the endorsement I don't see
why not.
I'd give a Flight review in a Kolb... (of course being a Kolb Flyer, I love the
planes...) Come on over to Charleston :D
--------
-Erik Grabowski
Kolb Firestar N197BG
CFI/CFII
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=67260#67260
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: possum's dream machine |
At 08:31 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote:
>
>I don't personally have a problem with this post. Possum is a poster
>and provider of information. And his cute little manipulation of
>this same aircraft and the nose of a Kolb, I thought was quite impressive.
>
>And I like your video's and want to see more with some fall
>colors.SO get back up ther and spend some more time behind the camera!
>
>Ohio Ralph
I've got lots of junk like this - but I'll have to put it
in another name so I don't disappoint the "Moller
Skycar" enthusiast and actually show the back
end of the plane or the wings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPMZeo4CgGg
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| From: | "ron wehba" <rwehba(at)cebridge.net> |
| Subject: | Re: possum's dream machine |
just wish u was smart nuf" on this here thing to do that kind of
stuff!!!
And his cute little manipulation of this same aircraft and the nose of a
Kolb, I thought was quite impressive.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: More BMW/Kolb info |
Morning Gang:
Got some bc info from Mike Richardson, ref his BMW powered mkIII.
Mike is a happy luker, but said to share this info with the List if I
wanted to.
Looks like he is doing a fine job getting the new power plant
performing, and getting the kinks ironed out. Sounds like the R1100S
is getting the job done, more in line with performance of 912UL and
912ULS.
Mike is going to send me some photos which I will post to the List.
Take care,
john h
| John,
| Sure enjoyed seeing you and MsP'fer at Hal Roach's.
| Hal sent photos. If you want them scanned and sent let
| me know.
| I saw your request for more BMW powered Kolb info for
| the Matronics list. Since I choose to lurk quietly
| maybe you could pass this on if you care to.
| Here are a few points of interest on our Mk III
| Classic with her new fuel injected, altitude
| compensating, computer controlled, 98 hp. R1100S BMW.
| Presently showing 35 hours on the tiny tach.
| No gap seal to stow anymore if you have to fold the
| wings. That's another story. It does have a fiberglass
| cap for the cabin which will get some vortex
| generators shortly. The Jerry can fuel tanks have been
| replaced by a front filled Jaz 16 gal. high density
| polyethylene blank fuel cell. It weighs what a
| fabricated aluminum tank would have, but plastic
| doesn't seem to condensate. Well, nothing I've ever
| had did but it can and is sumped for water.
| The cabin rear is enclosed, with soundproofing, but
| slopes down from front to rear from the cabin cap to
| allow more air to the prop disc, since this engine is
| rather massive. It's not nearly as petite as the 912s.
| "All up" engine weight with exhaust shown, 3.47
| gearbox, computer, and prop is 192# and that's been
| trimmed by six pounds as there was a little too much
| exhaust weight (.049 SS) boinging around up there and
| it was cracking after only 12 hours. The
| shortened/lightened version has improved performance
| by at least 10% which wouldn't have been known had the
| exhaust plumbing not began to crack.
| The entire motor mount area has been redone to accept
| this engine or others with a pan, ala' GEOs and such.
| The R1100 engines have a spin-on filter up inside the
| bottom of the engine. It could have been mounted on
| top like Hans Van Alphen's R100 but I could see it
| passing me up at some point while I'm saying, "Gee,
| that sure does look like my engine going there!" It's
| where it is and it works, so far.
| The prop is a #283 Kiev (70.9" diameter, I think)
| purchased through South MS Light Aircraft, Ronnie
| Smith and family. They were super to deal with at a
| time when Katrina had dealt them and their neighbors
| some serious difficulties. Prop clearance to the tail
| tube is the same as it was with the 66" on the 582.
| Initially, oil cooling was a problem but has been
| resolved with an additional cooler in series with the
| stocker.
| Climbs out solo (me @185 with clothes, never fly naked
| or nekid if you're from KY) at 5900 rpms with 8-10
| gallons of fuel @1000-1200'/min, cruises at 75/5200 @
| a consistent 3 gallons/hour. Each 100-125 rpms equals
| about a five mph increase in speed and about a half
| gallon per hour increased fuel usage. Full throttle
| from 75 feels like passing gear in a car but better
| and it will reach Vne in a very few seconds. Airspeed
| indicator looks like a tach while accelerating. GPS
| verifies the ASI. I get the distinct indication that
| this Kolb does not like going faster than 85. This
| engine is massive and therefore must be very draggy
| which translates to: I'll just enjoy puttin' along at
| 75-80 where she and I both are happy.
| I'd like a little more wing for a better glide but she
| sure takes off and lands short.
|
| That's about it. Probably more than you ever wanted to
| know about my airplane. I do have photos.
| You take care too, JHauck & the gang.
| Thanks,
| Mike
|
| __________________________________________________
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John H wrote,
Hi Jason:
Thanks for the advice. I did a search on "jason omelchuck" and came
up with 210 archived msgs.
To John and all,
I would hope that if you wanted info on the BMW engines you would search the
archive for "BMW" not my name. You come up with posts from other people who
have more flight time and experience with the engine than I have.
Jason
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| From: | "wmtatham(at)juno.com" <wmtatham(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Clean'n out the Hangar |
Howdy, all,
I sold my TwinStar last December and have a couple of left over items
to let loose of. Ive got a Rotax side mount exhaust system that is
in very good shape. This includes the muffler, elbow and exhaust
manifold (the exh man fits a 503).
Ive also got 13 quarts of the California Power Systems AV-2 2-cycle
oil. This is the 50% mineral base and 50% synthetic blend. Please
contact me if you have an interest in these items. Im located in NW
Ohio. Thanks.
Will Tatham
wmtatham(at)juno.com
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| From: | "grabo172" <grabo172(at)sc.rr.com> |
Right now, until I get some more practice, I'm limiting myself to a 10 MPH (8 KT)
crosswind.
I went out and did some landings yesterday in this condition and they were a fun
ride! Of course I've got lots of Mechanical turbulance that is effect at my
field (houses, buildings, hangars, trees) really close to the RW (sometimes right
up to the runway). (see pictures below)
I'f I'm at a real airport with more of an open space with little interference,
maybe I'll bump it up to 10 Kts
I've got no problem in a GA plane in handling all the way up to (and sometimes
above) the Max demo Xwind for the planes, but our birds are so light, they don't
have the momentum going for them to keep them straight.
--------
-Erik Grabowski
Kolb Firestar N197BG
CFI/CFII
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| Subject: | Kolb Mark III for Sale |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi All,
I have a pretty and well equiped Kolb Mark III ready to fly away. I have pictures
for anyone that would like them sent. Please send me your email address.
Thanks,
You All have a nice day. :D
Roger
Tucson, Az.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: possum's dream machine |
At 09:30 PM 10/12/2006, you wrote:
>Sorry to clog up the list with this "trivia"
>....But,
>
>again -
It's getting cold down south - gotta go put my windscreen back on.
More stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIfCQX7qoT4
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
I've been flying for many years, and I'm currently part owner of a Cessna
182. I also own a recreational vehicle which I love to travel in, around
the country. But what I would really enjoy, is an airplane that I could
tow on a trailer behind my RV, stopping and flying wherever the scenery
looks interesting. RVs seem to be towing every other kind of recreational
vehicle, these days, so why not an airplane?
Obviously such an aircraft would have to have folding wings, which is why
I've been looking at the Kolb Mark III Xtra. It looks like Kolb aircraft
are designed for folding and trailering, while other folding wing designs
seem to have been included as an afterthought; more for taking up less
space in the hangar. I also see lots of pictures of Kolb aircraft being
towed around on trailers; much more so than other aircraft. Is there a
reason for this?
I also like the fact that the Kolb does not use a wet wing, thus there is
no need to drain the fuel before folding the wings.
Does anyone have any experience with extended trailering of the 701 behind
an RV? If so, I would sure like to talk to you!
If anyone has any suggestions or advice on this topic, I'd sure appreciate
hearing from you. Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
I looked in my manual for the max egt and it says 1200. This is the
first time that I have had an instrument to check my EGT's on both
cylinders, and my front cylinder runs about 1180 but the back one is
hitting 12 40 to 1258 occasionally. I have run it for at least 258 hours
without knowing what the back cylinder is reading. The full throttle has
been adjusted to lower the EGT, but I am on the bottom groove of my
needle jet, and cannot go any richer for the midrange. Does anybody have
a differing max reading? I am sure that a bit of a safety factor has
been built in to that high end of the range. I should add that I have
switched to my silencer again and am running a 152 main jet, and seem to
affect the midrange some with the differing main jets. I have probably
ran this setup for some around 125 hours without killing in the motor so
far, but ignorance is bliss. I can of course bring it within range by
using the enrichner circuit.
I switched back to my silencer because I flew yesterday for 1 hour 3
minutes and burned about 5 gallons of fuel. It is not blubbering it out
of the carb, There is no visible or discernable reason why a 447 is
burning that much fuel. I therefore switched back to the silencer to see
if I still burn that much fuel and to cut down a bit on the noise. With
the warp and the fact that it is closer to the wing it is making a heck
of a racket and I have to wear ear plugs along with my DRE 6000. There
is no discernable loss of power, so I think I will keep it on, but the
egt's now that I know about them is concerning me.
Opinions would be appreciated.
Larry, Oregon
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
There is no discernable loss of power, so I think I will keep it on,
but the egt's now that I know about them is concerning me.
Opinions would be appreciated.
Larry, Oregon
Hi Larry:
Pull a little more pitch in the prop and the egt's will come down full
throttle and probably mid-range as well. I am not current in
tinkering with two strokes, been 16 years, but I believe it will also
pull down egt in mid-range.
Usually, pitching to achieve the redline for max continuous rpm, 6,500
for the rotax two strokes, will put the egt right in the ball park
down near sea level. At your altitude would probably be the same if
the carb is tuned as it was when it left the factory.
Remember, our engine instruments are not precision. Don't know if the
EIS is temperature compensating or not.
Noise. All Kolbs are noisy, no matter two or four stroke. Most of
the noise is generated by the close proximity of the prop blade to the
trailing edge of the wing, plus all the disturbed air it is trying to
live in that is generated by the engine and its components.
I never did care for intake silencers or additional exhaust silencers
on two strokes. Anything that reduces perfermance seems not to agree
with me and my flying machines.
You can probably decrease prop noise by going to a prop extension,
getting the blades away from the trailing edge.
For what it is worth.
john h
mkIII
PS: Many folks get wrapped around the axle trying to get their two
stroke or four stroke to operate in the correct range. The instrument
sending units are probably not nearly as precise as the engines you
are flying. Any way, would rather err on the rich rather than the
lean side.
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
What rpm's are you running? Max? Cruise? Climbout?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:09 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: max EGT
I looked in my manual for the max egt and it says 1200. This is the
first time that I have had an instrument to check my EGT's on both
cylinders, and my front cylinder runs about 1180 but the back one is
hitting 12 40 to 1258 occasionally. I have run it for at least 258 hours
without knowing what the back cylinder is reading. The full throttle has
been adjusted to lower the EGT, but I am on the bottom groove of my
needle jet, and cannot go any richer for the midrange. Does anybody have
a differing max reading? I am sure that a bit of a safety factor has
been built in to that high end of the range. I should add that I have
switched to my silencer again and am running a 152 main jet, and seem to
affect the midrange some with the differing main jets. I have probably
ran this setup for some around 125 hours without killing in the motor so
far, but ignorance is bliss. I can of course bring it within range by
using the enrichner circuit.
I switched back to my silencer because I flew yesterday for 1 hour 3
minutes and burned about 5 gallons of fuel. It is not blubbering it out
of the carb, There is no visible or discernable reason why a 447 is
burning that much fuel. I therefore switched back to the silencer to see
if I still burn that much fuel and to cut down a bit on the noise. With
the warp and the fact that it is closer to the wing it is making a heck
of a racket and I have to wear ear plugs along with my DRE 6000. There
is no discernable loss of power, so I think I will keep it on, but the
egt's now that I know about them is concerning me.
Opinions would be appreciated.
Larry, Oregon
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| From: | "wmtatham(at)juno.com" <wmtatham(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Clean'n out the Hangar . . AHA. . Another treasure. |
Kolb Listers,
I discovered one other item that Im offering for sale on the list.
I have a set (100) CCI lexan Vortex Generators.
http://www.vortexgenerator.net/ I bought two sets but only
installed one. The first set went on our Mark III. They are not
very noticeable at all and do a great job.
We sold our other Kolb before we installed the other set so now Ill
offer it for $60 including shipping and the remaining half bottle of
Loctite 401 instant adhesive used for attaching the VGs.
You can e-mail me ( wmtatham(at)juno.com )
or give a call 419 423 7075.
Thanks
Will Tatham
Findlay, OH
Will Tatham
wmtatham(at)juno.com
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| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Clean'n out the Hangar . . AHA. . Another treasure. |
I want them.
>From: "wmtatham(at)juno.com" <wmtatham(at)juno.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Clean'n out the Hangar . . AHA. . Another treasure.
>Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:15:01 GMT
>
>
>Kolb Listers,
>
>I discovered one other item that Im offering for sale on the list.
>I have a set (100) CCI lexan Vortex Generators.
>http://www.vortexgenerator.net/ I bought two sets but only
>installed one. The first set went on our Mark III. They are not
>very noticeable at all and do a great job.
>
>We sold our other Kolb before we installed the other set so now Ill
>offer it for $60 including shipping and the remaining half bottle of
>Loctite 401 instant adhesive used for attaching the VGs.
>
>
>You can e-mail me ( wmtatham(at)juno.com )
>
>or give a call 419 423 7075.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Will Tatham
>Findlay, OH
>
>
>Will Tatham
>wmtatham(at)juno.com
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>
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| From: | "wmtatham(at)juno.com" <wmtatham(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Clean'n out the Hangar . . VGs and Rotax exhaust aready sold. |
Kolb Listers,
The hangar is getting emptier. A Texas flyer made short work of the
CCI VG offer and I've also got a buyer for the Rotax exhaust system.
The only thing left is the 13 qts of CPS AV-2 50/50 blend 2-cycle
oil. Please contact me if you're interested.
Thanks
You can e-mail me ( wmtatham(at)juno.com )
or give a call 419 423 7075.
Thanks
Will Tatham
Findlay, OH
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Firestar/Warp Drive Noise |
With the warp and the fact that it is closer to the wing it is making
a heck of a racket and I have to wear ear plugs along with my DRE
6000.
Larry, Oregon
Larry:
Is your airplane louder than my mkIII? You flew in it last May.
When I first used my new DRE6000, I had trouble sealing around my odd
shaped head and my glasses. A tiny air leak destroyed any noise
reduction they were trying to make. My set came equipped with temper
foam ear seals. I traded a set of liquid gel ear seals from my David
Clark 10-40 headset. No more air leaks and the DRE6000 worked much,
much better.
Are you getting a good seal? and are you still using the original
temper foam seals?
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
my front cylinder runs about 1180 but the back one is hitting 12 40
to 1258 occasionally.
Larry, Oregon
Larry:
Understand the heat spike is at 44oo to 4500 rpm. However, you did
not say what it was at WOT and your cruise rpm which is 6000.
After a little more thought and the info you posted in response to
Richard Pike's questions, I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about
it. If it bothers you, then increase or decrease throttle a little to
find more desireable egt.
Again, pullin a tad more pitch will also reduce egt.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
> Again, pullin a tad more pitch will also reduce egt.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
I agree with John, 6600 rpm is a little high for WOT level flight, crank in
a tad more pitch and get it down around 6400- 6500 and I'll bet you'll like
the effect on your EGTs across the board.
Denny Rowe
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
cruise at 5,300 solo, 5,600 with a passenger, and it uses under 4 gph
solo, a little over 4 gph with a passenger. And it is a whole lot
quieter at 5,500 than it is at 6,000.
Richard Pike
Richard:
5300 solo?
That ain't cruising, that's crawling. ;-)
What is the true airspeed at 5,300 rpm?
My normal cruise with Rotax two strokes was 5,800 rpm, 75% power.
Fuel burn was 3.75 gph in the 447 and 5 to 5.5 gph with the 582. Come
to think of it, I also cruised the Cuyuna at 5,800. Can't remember
what it burned, but probably something like 3 to 3.5 gph.
BTW: Isn't 5,300 rpm just a knotch below where the engine comes up on
the pipe? or am I living in the past again? Maybe all that has
changed since my two stroke days. After all, my last one met its
demise 13 years ago.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise |
In a message dated 10/14/2006 10:22:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com writes:
In the flight I burned 1.5 gallons in 29 minutes. That is
more like what it should be. Yesterday I flew for 63 minutes and burned 5
gallons.
Larry,
Take a look at your spark plugs to see if you are burning rich or lean.
When you engage the enrichiner (choke) and the engine wants to quit, that would
seem to indicate you are running way rich and the plugs are flooding out. If
that is the case, check that the carb needle circlip is placed below the
plastic spring thingy. Others have on occasion installed this incorectly and it
allows the needle to ride up resulting in excessive richness and fuel burn.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Wolf" <cwolf41(at)comcast.net>
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:40 AM
>Subject: Kolb-List: Looking For A Plane To Trailer
>
>
> I also see lots of pictures of Kolb aircraft being
>> towed around on trailers; much more so than other aircraft. Is there a
>> reason for this?
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience with extended trailering of the 701 behind
>> an RV? If so, I would sure like to talk to you!
>>
>
>> Chris Wolf
>> cwolf41(at)comcast.net
>Now Chris you've confused me. You talk a lot about towing a Kolb and it's
>advantages, etc. but then you ask about towing a 701
Oops! Sorry. Meant to say Kolb. I've also been looking at a Zenith 701,
since it also has folding wings. Wanted to find out which plane trailers
better, so I asked about trailering the 701 over on the Zenith list. Guess
I still had the 701 on my mind!
>Oh well, I have a
>MKIII Classic and have towed it all over the place. Dunno how many miles
>but its gotta be upwards of 5,000 and virtually no problems except those
>that I've caused. The Kolb does real well in it's rolling hangar, which is
>an enclosed trailer. Lots of guys tow their Kolbs. Be glad to help in any
>way I can. Ask and you'll get it answered.
>
>AzDave
Much appreciated, Dave. I definitely get the impression that lots of
pilots tow their Kolbs, but I don't hear too much about trailering a Zenith
701. One of the guys from the Zenith factory admitted to me that the 701's
folding wings are more intended for saving hangar space, rather than
trailering. In fact, he recommended that the 701's wings be completely
removed before trailering. Also, since the 701 has fuel tanks in the
wings, the fuel has to be drained before folding the wings (or removing the
wings). And the 701 uses bolts, rather than clevis pins to secure the
wings, so the Kolb folds a little faster than the 701. And finally, since
the folded Kolb is not nearly as tall as the folded Zenith, the trailer
wouldn't have to be so tall.
Looks like when it comes to towing, the Kolb is the clear winner. And
that's a very important consideration for me. I want a plane that I can
tow behind my RV.
And it looks like the view from the Kolb is unbeatable. Since I'm buying a
plane for sightseeing, that's also very important to me.
I'm still making up my mind between the 701 and the Kolb. So if I
occasionally seem to mention the wrong one, you'll know why!
But I'm definitely leaning toward the Kolb at this point. I've had some
sheet metal experience, which favors the all-metal 701, but it looks like
fabric covering isn't that hard to learn. And I hear it's cheap to repair.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Blumax008(at)AOL.COM |
Chris,
I'm a Kolb owner & recommend it highly for what you're contemplating.
However, give thought to a Trike also. If you're not familiar, this is a
hang-glider type flying machine with a carriage called a Trike attached to it.
They've become very sophisticated nowadays, carry two people etc.
They're much lighter than a Kolb, take up much less space & adapt easily to
trailering with a much smaller trailer. The wing folds to about 16 ft. total
on average. I recommend a single surface wing which requires a lot less
hassle folding & unfolding with only 18 battens total.
I've been flying them for 8 years now. I also HIGHLY recommend the Rotax 503
motor. You'll have much less hassle with NOT dealing with anti-freeze,
hoses, radiators, oil pumps ad infinitum. The key words here are....LESS HASSLE.
Not to mention the time you'll save at top overhaul not having to deal with all
that crap.
Just don't let one fall on your head.
Bill
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| From: | "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
. In fact, he recommended that the 701's wings be completely
> removed before trailering. Also, since the 701 has fuel tanks in the
> wings, the fuel has to be drained before folding the wings (or removing
> the
> wings).
Seems like a real pain to me. Also, I know some folding planes (Kitfox, I
think) fold back without rotating the wings down. This makes for faster
folding but you need a really wide trailer to handle it.
And the 701 uses bolts, rather than clevis pins to secure the
> wings, so the Kolb folds a little faster than the 701.
I don't think the speed of folding/unfolding is an issue - at least for me
it isn't. When you factor in the amount of time needed to drive to the
airport, set up, etc. a few minutes more or less for set up to me is
immaterial. What is important to me is whether or not it can be done by one
person.
I plan on one hour from dropping the tail gate to taxiing. That gives me
time to get all the junk out of the trailer, remove all the tie downs, roll
out the plane, remove all the security thingys I have for traveling, put the
plane together, refuel, preflight, pee, then go flying.
I've had some
> sheet metal experience, which favors the all-metal 701, but it looks like
> fabric covering isn't that hard to learn. And I hear it's cheap to
> repair.
Fabric is real easy to repair. Unfortunately, I'm real good at it.
AzDave
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Ah, Dear Brother John - Life has changed since Jurassaic Park...
Pipe? Comes up on the pipe?
What are these strange words that you speak?
When I had my old 532 on the MKIII, getting on and off the pipe was like
climbing on, or falling off of a ladder, but with this 582 I have now (maybe
because it has both the intake and exhaust silencers?) there is no
discernable pipe effect. None. And although I would agree with your earlier
post that installing intake and exhaust silencers ought to reduce the power
some (if you have to go to smaller jets when you put the intake silencer on,
then it ought to be making less power) I still got the same RPM at the same
prop pitch after I installed it. Don't know why, but I did. No explanation.
With the airframe mods I have made on the MKIII, 5,300 rpm gives me 65 mph
average. Some days better, some days worse.
If I were a cross country enthusiast like yourself, that would be crawling.
But since 95% of my flying is to local airports within 50 miles, who cares
if it is 65 mph or 85 mph? So I save 5 minutes? Big deal. I fly to fly, not
get there. Besides, the ride is SO much smoother at 65, and the engine is SO
much quieter at 5,300.
Also, I have a hidden agenda. Since everything else is working perfectly
satisfactory at that slower RPM, I intend to expand the envelope on the 582
overhaul time. Since most of the crank bearing wear is due to centrifugal
loads rather than thrust loads, I plan to operate the 582 to 400 hours
before overhaul. Running an engine at 5,300 rpm constant rather than 5,800
rpm constant reduces centrifugal bearing loads enormously.
Unfortunately, since I have had health issues the last two years and am only
getting in about 50 hours a year, I will have to wait another 5 years to
find out if this plan has worked or not...
Blessings,
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT
>
>
> cruise at 5,300 solo, 5,600 with a passenger, and it uses under 4 gph
> solo, a little over 4 gph with a passenger. And it is a whole lot
> quieter at 5,500 than it is at 6,000.
> Richard Pike
>
> Richard:
>
> 5300 solo?
>
> That ain't cruising, that's crawling. ;-)
>
> What is the true airspeed at 5,300 rpm?
>
> My normal cruise with Rotax two strokes was 5,800 rpm, 75% power.
> Fuel burn was 3.75 gph in the 447 and 5 to 5.5 gph with the 582. Come
> to think of it, I also cruised the Cuyuna at 5,800. Can't remember
> what it burned, but probably something like 3 to 3.5 gph.
>
> BTW: Isn't 5,300 rpm just a knotch below where the engine comes up on
> the pipe? or am I living in the past again? Maybe all that has
> changed since my two stroke days. After all, my last one met its
> demise 13 years ago.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
One aspect of towing a Kolb around the country, behind an RV, that I really
hadn't thought about before, is the overall length of the package. With
the folded airplane about 24 feet long, you'd end up with a trailer around
28 feet long (counting the hitch). Add that to the 28 feet of my RV, and
the total length of the package is 56 feet. Bigger than the biggest Class
A motorhome. That seems to be legal in most states, but I guess I'd better
start thinking like the driver of an eighteen wheeler!
Does anybody here regularly tow a Kolb behind an RV? If so, do you have
any words of wisdom to offer?
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise |
On Oct 14, 2006, at 10:20 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> Yesterday I flew for 63 minutes and burned 5 gallons.
Larry,
5 gallons in 63 minutes seems very excessive to me. My Firestar with
a 582 does 2.5 to 3 gallon per hour and my friend Willie with a 503
will do less than 2 gallon per hour. Now Willie is a very good
mechanic and he may be living rather close the lean edge with his
fuel economy but 2.5 gal per hour should be easily and safely
possible in a properly set Firestar II.
I can tell you though that neither Willie nor I are cruising @ 6000
rpm and we are happy as a lark poking along @ 55/60 mph.
I would suggest, along with increasing prop pitch, that you
temporarily disregard your EGT readings " for the time being",
restore the stock jets and go strictly by your plug color to
determine any further adjustments if necessary.
Gene
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
>>Chris Wolf wrote:
>>
>> It looks like Kolb aircraft
>>are designed for folding and trailering, while other folding wing designs
>>seem to have been included as an afterthought; >>
>Hi Chris,
>
>If folding wings are the most important consideration and it is available in
>the States try the `Escapade`. Sorry to be a traitor to the Kolb but
>compared to the Escapade the Kolb wing fold was designed by a retarded 5
>year old.
>With the Escapade you can fold the wings, by yourself, without any trestles
>or supports in 2 minutes. No disconnect of controls. Ready to trailer away
>in 7 minutes.
>
>I am not saying it is a better plane, after all I bought a Kolb, but for
>wing folding it has to be considered.
Yes it does. I have looked at the Escapade, along with the Rans Coyote and
Kitfox. They all seem like fine planes, but they all fold their wings the
same way. The wing breaks at the leading edge, next to the fuselage, and
simply swings back against the fuselage. This certainly makes for quick
wing folding, and would be ideal for quick folding for hangar storage, but
it seems to have a couple of potential drawbacks for extended trailering.
First, the wings are still in their flying configuration. If being carried
on an open trailer, a strong side gust of wind could easily generate a lot
of lift from the wing being struck. The plane will end up being pulled up
and down at the same time. I don't know if the forces involved are enough
to damage the plane, but I would hate to be the guy who finds out.
Second, and more important, the folded plane is going to be significantly
wider than a plane like the Kolb, where the wings fold flat against the
fuselage. This would seem to require a wider trailer, which is bulkier and
more expensive.
I guess it comes down to which is more important; quick fold, or smaller
trailer. Must think about this.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
>>Chris Wolf wrote:
>> In fact, he recommended that the 701's wings be completely
>> removed before trailering. Also, since the 701 has fuel tanks in the
>> wings, the fuel has to be drained before folding the wings (or removing
>> the wings).
>Seems like a real pain to me.
Yeah, that's my biggest complaint against the 701's folding wings. The
fuel has to be drained before folding the wings.
>Also, I know some folding planes (Kitfox, I
>think) fold back without rotating the wings down. This makes for faster
>folding but you need a really wide trailer to handle it.
>
>And the 701 uses bolts, rather than clevis pins to secure the
>> wings, so the Kolb folds a little faster than the 701.
>
>I don't think the speed of folding/unfolding is an issue - at least for me
>it isn't. When you factor in the amount of time needed to drive to the
>airport, set up, etc. a few minutes more or less for set up to me is
>immaterial. What is important to me is whether or not it can be done by one
>person.
Good point. I take it the Kolb can be folded (or unfolded) by just one
person?
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar/Warp Drive Noise/Tuning The Two Stroke |
| restore the stock jets and go strictly by your plug color to
| determine any further adjustments if necessary.
|
| Gene
Gene:
Before the days of readily available and less expensive
EGT/Pyrometers, We always used plug readings to dial in two and four
strokes.
What procedure do you use in dialing in a two stroke using spark plug
readings?
Take care,
john h
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
If I get a Kolb, which one should I buy? The Mark III Classic, or the Mark
III Xtra? I need two seats, so it seems that it's one or the other.
It looks like the main difference between the two planes is the width of
the nose. I understand that the wider nose on the Xtra permits better
placement of the rudder pedals, and gives more leg room. It looks bigger
on the Xtra. I'm about 6'3" tall, and weigh about 250. My flying buddy is
5'8", and weighs 170. Are the rudder pedals (or seats) adjustable on the
Xtra? I saw cockpit pictures of both Classic and Xtra, and it looked like
the Xtra had a LOT more leg room.
Would a guy my size be comfortable in a Classic, or should I definitely go
for the Xtra?
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
>
>Chris,
>
>But also don't lose sight of the fact the Escapade has a much smaller wing
>than Kolb. A smaller wing is easier to fold. Smarter yet, make the wing
>even smaller and you won't even need to fold it. Ray Stits flew a plane with
>an 8 ft wing span - no folding required!
Indeed. Planes can be flown with very small wings. But they don't tend to
glide too well if the engine quits. I understand the Zenith 701 comes down
at about a thousand feet per minute, unpowered.
Or you can fly a powered parachute, or powered paraglider, with a ram-air
parachute wing. The ultimate folding wing. Just stuff it in a bag!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
>
>Hi Wolf,
> I've got a class "A" licence...Your single vehicle max lenght is 45'
No problem there. My Class C RV is only 28'.
> Combination of vehicles is 75'....Some states vary...
Hmm. That gives me about twenty feet left. Maybe I could hook up my boat?
;-)
> I've seen RV's pulling race trailers....That would be about the same lenght
>.
>.
>.
>Gotta Fly...
>Mike & "Jaz" in MN
Just don't try to go through the drive-through at McDonald's.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Cat36Fly(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
I can tell you the Extra has adjustable rudder pedals. I am 5'4" and have
them set at the middle position. It is not easy to adjust them between flights
(or pilots) but can be done. There is probably more room in the extra
cockpit than a C-150. I now have about 50 hrs on my extra and thoroughly enjoy
it
(in comfort).
Larry Tasker
MKlllx -583-3 blade warp
N615RT
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| From: | "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
On 10/15/06, Chris Wolf wrote:
>
>
> Good point. I take it the Kolb can be folded (or unfolded) by just one
> person?
Yes. I do it every time I fly.
Also, I've flown in a 701... nice plane and all, but the view -- especially
at slow speeds -- sux big time... you have to look out the door to see
anything in front of you.
-- Robert, MkIIIC/912ULS
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
>>On 10/15/06, Chris Wolf wrote:
>>
>> Good point. I take it the Kolb can be folded (or unfolded) by just one
>> person?
>Yes. I do it every time I fly.
Glad to hear that. Another point in the Kolb's favor. Does it really only
take about 15 minutes?
>Also, I've flown in a 701... nice plane and all, but the view -- especially
>at slow speeds -- sux big time... you have to look out the door to see
>anything in front of you.
I've also flown in a 701, and I thought the view was pretty
decent.....until I got a look at the view from a Kolb. For a flightseeing
airplane, the Kolb looks hard to beat.
Also, the 701 is a bit cramped when it comes to leg room. Looks like
plenty of leg room on a Mark III Xtra.
Thanks for the info!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
Chris,
For years I towed a fishing boat to the Fla Keys from Orlando. We found that
we could drive the RV for about 8 mpg or tow with it for about 8mpg. When we
used a pick up we could get 8mpg or less. The main thing to remember is to
tow with empty holding tanks. Full tanks tend to make most RVs unstable due to
their placement far aft. In many case we would use the RV even if we were not
staying in it.
steve
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Chris...Florida |
>Chris,
>
>I'm a Kolb owner & recommend it highly for what you're contemplating.
Lots of Kolb owners seem to agree with you. I'm definitely getting a good
feel for Kolbs.
>However, give thought to a Trike also. If you're not familiar, this is a
>hang-glider type flying machine with a carriage called a Trike attached to it.
>They've become very sophisticated nowadays, carry two people etc.
>
>They're much lighter than a Kolb, take up much less space & adapt easily to
>trailering with a much smaller trailer. The wing folds to about 16 ft. total
>on average. I recommend a single surface wing which requires a lot less
>hassle folding & unfolding with only 18 battens total.
I'm pretty familiar with trikes. Came close to buying one, once or twice.
Very nice little aircraft. Everything you say about them is true.
Definitely thinking about one. Only drawback is when you run into some
rain; which we have a lot of, in the Pacific Northwest.
Thanks for the recommendation!
>I've been flying them for 8 years now. I also HIGHLY recommend the Rotax 503
>motor. You'll have much less hassle with NOT dealing with anti-freeze,
>hoses, radiators, oil pumps ad infinitum. The key words here are....LESS HASSLE.
>Not to mention the time you'll save at top overhaul not having to deal with all
> that crap.
>
>Just don't let one fall on your head.
I quite agree. I owned a Rotax 503 for about six years. The perfect
little engine. Never any problems, and about as simple as you can get.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
>>Chris Wolf wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody here regularly tow a Kolb behind an RV?
>Yes, I regularly tow my Kolb in an enclosed trailer behind a 34' RV. Never
>had a problem in either Az or Ca.
Hmm. That's even longer than my 28' RV.
>>If so, do you have any words of wisdom to offer?
>Maybe, depends on what you want to know
I have two areas of concern. The first is wind. Ever have any problems
with wind side gusts? I suppose an enclosed trailer, long enough to
contain a 24' Kolb, would be heavy enough that the weight of the plane
would be immaterial.
My second concern is finding RV campgrounds able to accommodate such a long
setup. Seems like it would be doable, since the length is comparable to
towing a car with a big Class A RV. What do you do when you pull into an
RV campground, towing that long trailer behind you? Rent two spaces? Do
you call ahead to make sure they can handle you?
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
>I can tell you the Extra has adjustable rudder pedals. I am 5'4" and have
>them set at the middle position. It is not easy to adjust them between flights
>(or pilots) but can be done. There is probably more room in the extra
>cockpit than a C-150. I now have about 50 hrs on my extra and thoroughly enjoy
it
>(in comfort).
>
>Larry Tasker
>MKlllx -583-3 blade warp
>N615RT
Good information. Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "grabo172" <grabo172(at)sc.rr.com> |
Hey all,
I've been trying to find a good place to carry a bag in my original Firestar, but
I can't find a decent place to put one.
Anyone have any pictures of your baggage area in your planes so I can get and idea
of something I can do?
Thanks,
--------
-Erik Grabowski
Kolb Firestar N197BG
CFI/CFII
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=68059#68059
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Spark Plug Readings |
John,
I have always found that you won't go wrong by starting with new
plugs and stock jets and pin clip in a center position. Fly for an
hour or two listening for a slight stumble while descending under low
power. This stumble indicates a sufficiently rich mixture. Check the
plug color after the engine has cooled down. In many cases the plugs
will show a dark grey to slightly black oily color. Lean out by
raising pin clip to top position and cruise for another hour or two
and check plug color again. Should be slightly more brown and show
less oily residue. If it is still gray or black and oily, a jet
change to a smaller size may be called for or a worn needle jet and
needle replaced. At the altitudes and temperatures I fly the stock
jets and needles usually provide enough mixture adjustment to get a
nice brown plug color. I have found that the color inside the exhaust
pipe also eventually reflects the plug color. If the plugs look
light tan and dry the mixture is TOO lean. A two stroke will also
"talk" to a mechanic's trained ear which is what I most depend on but
that skill is not easily taught to a newbie.
On Oct 15, 2006, at 5:09 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> | restore the stock jets and go strictly by your plug color to
> | determine any further adjustments if necessary.
> |
> | Gene
>
> Gene:
>
> Before the days of readily available and less expensive
> EGT/Pyrometers, We always used plug readings to dial in two and four
> strokes.
>
> What procedure do you use in dialing in a two stroke using spark plug
> readings?
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
>>Chris Wolf wrote:
>>
>> My second concern is finding RV campgrounds able to accommodate such a
>> long
>> setup. Seems like it would be doable, since the length is comparable to
>> towing a car with a big Class A RV. What do you do when you pull into an
>> RV campground, towing that long trailer behind you? Rent two spaces? Do
>> you call ahead to make sure they can handle you?
>Hi,
> I towed my firestar in a 25 foot trailer behind a 36 foot Motor Home to
>Monument Valley in 2004 from Klamath Falls, Ore. I did run into one of the
>camp grounds that was not able to handle my set up. What you do is ask if
>they have a place where you could park your trailer. Trailers are generally
>not that much of a problem in most of the parks since now most of the MH are
>towing a toy trailer of some sort.
Very interesting. That makes sense, since, as you say, most of the RVs are
towing toy trailers. I wondered how they were being handled. I recently
saw a picture of a double decker toy trailer designed to haul both a car
AND a boat!
>The older parks were not made to even
>handle the size of MH now being commonly used.
Yeah, I've noticed when I take my 28' footer to National Forest Service
campgrounds, it's sometimes a tight fit.
>One difficulty that I had was
>that my MH has an air suspension and the length of both of the rigs set up a
>rocking effect. Dual axles would help that in your trailer, and you will
>want something to stop the trailer from rocking side to side like a "sway
>tamer". Other than that I had no problem with the trip or any others that I
>had.
>Larry, Oregon
Excellent information, Larry. Thanks very much!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
| I am seriously considering an AirCam, but that means the price of
two Mark
| IIIX in one machine. If not for the ingress, egress issue the IIIX
would be
| about perfect.
|
| Todd
Todd:
Ever think about modifying the entrance system to fit your
requirement?
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
I'm sure you were only kidding about the boat, but just in case - I wanted
to do the same thing - seriously - and in many states you can get away with
it, tho' I think you need a commercial driver's license, and must conform to
the max length rules. Trouble is, with you in the Northwest, Oregon flat
out does not permit it, and will force you to park it and leave one trailer
sit. To the north, British Columbia is the same way. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wolf" <cwolf41(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Towing The Kolb
>
>
>>
>>Hi Wolf,
>> I've got a class "A" licence...Your single vehicle max lenght
>> is 45'
>
> No problem there. My Class C RV is only 28'.
>
>> Combination of vehicles is 75'....Some states vary...
>
> Hmm. That gives me about twenty feet left. Maybe I could hook up my
> boat?
> ;-)
>
>> I've seen RV's pulling race trailers....That would be about the same
>> lenght
>>.
>>.
>>.
>>Gotta Fly...
>>Mike & "Jaz" in MN
>
> Just don't try to go through the drive-through at McDonald's.
>
> Chris Wolf
> cwolf41(at)comcast.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
| From: | Todd Fredricks <flyingfox(at)copper.net> |
John;
As a aerodynamic structural engineer, I make a pretty good ER doctor, if you
know what I mean. :)
Todd
On 10/15/06 9:56 PM, "John Hauck" wrote:
>
>
>
>
> | I am seriously considering an AirCam, but that means the price of
> two Mark
> | IIIX in one machine. If not for the ingress, egress issue the IIIX
> would be
> | about perfect.
> |
> | Todd
>
> Todd:
>
> Ever think about modifying the entrance system to fit your
> requirement?
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Todd Fredricks, DO
Flying Fox Services
http://web.mac.com/flyingfoxservices
flyingfoxservices(at)mac.com
Visit my Blog at www.flyingfoxhangar.blogspot.com
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight With New Engine... |
Well, yah, Fresno isn't all that inspiring, tho' it's beats Bakersfield
hands down, but you're right next to Yosemite and all the surrounding
country, and that'd hafta be awesome. Goferit. I think it'd be a lot
like "lovely" Palm (Furnace) Springs, where I'm stuck. Where I live is
the pits, but within just a few miles are enuf interesting things to
keep a guy busy for years. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lehman
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight With New Engine...
You're correct Larry, it's a blast to fly... Even though I'm stuck in
"Lovely" Fresno, there's plenty of places in the foothills to play "bush
pilot" and the added power will make it more enjoyable...
DVD
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
Richard
I changed the Subject
Prop efficiency is at least partly related to how fast the prop has to
accelerate the air it is moving to get thrust. A small prop has to
accelerate the air allot more to get its thrust and gets a smaller
percentage of the input power changed into thrust. A large prop moves more
air so it will need to accelerate the air less and gets more thrust for the
same power. Now a prop with more blades is less efficient than one with less
but is less pronounced than the, large verses small prop differences.
You are right that as you increase the volume of air that you move with a
prop for the same power the speed range that the prop produces thrust gets
smaller. At some point when increasing the prop area diameter, blade cord,
and number of blades you have to pitch for climb or cruise. The advantage of
a in flight adjustable prop is that doesn't have to stay at one setting it
can get more thrust in both climb and cruise.
I don't think that the high fuel consumption is a result of the additional
prop blade in this case unless he is cruising allot faster.
I base my claims on observations I have made on my airplane with two
identical engines one turning a two bladed 60 inch prop at 3200 RPM and the
other turning a three bladed 72 inch prop at 2000 RPM with a 1.61 to one
reduction. The thrust is almost double for the larger prop. The trade off is
that I have had to pitch for cruise. The up side is that I get more cruise
speed 75MPH vs 65MPH and much better climb in spite of lower climb engine
RPMs. My fuel consumption and the engine temps are a bit less with the
larger slower turning prop flying faster.
Last night in the cool 45 degree air I was able to keep my big VW cool at
higher power levels than I can normally sustain. I did some low level flying
like we have to do going into Oshkosh (well maybe a bit lower) but last
night the air was smooth and I was able to fly 85-90 MPH at 3600-3700RPM on
the engine. Popping up over woods and tree lines at these power levels and
speed is breathtaking. I suspect I was seeing power close to what you guys
with the 100HP Rotes get wow what a kick. I'm tempted to do some better
cooling work on the engine and maybe move the oil cooler to get more air
flow. Well maybe not, It keeps me from over stressing my engine???
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT
>
> I think that would be why your fuel burn was so high and the performance
> was so weak. IMO, a 68" three blade on a 582 is way too much prop for good
> efficiency. To get the engine to run right, you have to take a lot of
> pitch out of the blades, and you end up with a climb prop (in effect) even
> though it is in flight adjustable. I am using a 2 blade 68" Ivo, so
> imagine how much more pitch I am running compared to your 3 blade 68" at
> an equivilent rpm. If you had used your in flight adjust to try and add
> enough pitch to get it to cruise well, then surely you would be using 5
> gallons per hour, because your prop load at an equal pitch to what I am
> using would be 33% higher.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Effency |
I mostly agree with you but I think there are a couple factors involved.
Since you are using a VW and he & I a small displacement 2 stroke 582, you
have a huge torque advantage when it comes to turning a larger prop. And
from your post, it sounds like you have a great engine combination.
I was thinking about this whole deal a couple hours ago while out mowing the
airstrip, (last time this year!) and back before my current 582, I had a 532
on my MKIII. I had bought it from a guy in our EAA chapter who had it on a
Zenair CH701. Zenair has persuaded him to put a 72" two blade Ivo on that
poor 532, and while it certainly accelerated and took off quick, he was
always flying it around at 6,200 rpm and only about 60 mph, because in order
to get the engine to turn up, he had to take all the pitch out of it. And he
burned over 5 gph. It was like the ultimate climb prop, but that was it's
only useful function.
Now what if it had been an inflight adjustable prop? I think as soon as he
would have cranked in more pitch, the engine would simply have slowed down,
and the airplane would probably not have speeded up any, if at all, because
there is no way the engine could have pulled that much prop with any sort of
normal amount of pitch in it. Now obviously this is an extreme example, but
I think that is what happens when you put a 3 blade 68" prop on a 582, and
then attempt to compensate for too much prop by changing pitch, it is still
too much prop. You can't get the speed, but you do increase prop load, and
correspondingly high fuel burn.
When I owned that same 532, Ivo told me to use a 64" 3 blade prop, and it
was too much prop. As John and I bantered about yesterday, a 532 is very
pipey, and with the 3 blade 64" pitched to give any sort of decent cruise,
the 532 given half a chance, would fall off the pipe. The only way it worked
right was to have shallow pitch, and then I had to cruise at 5,800 rpm at
about 60 mph. I took away one blade and it worked great as a 2 blade 64"
Went to a 2 blade 66", and it still worked great. Sold the 532 and got a 582
and it works great with a 2 blade 68". Good acceleration & climb, good speed
spread, and low rpm cruise.
I am not any great aerodynamicist, (probably didn't even spell it right) but
between a lot of trial and error, and thinking about the results, this is
how I think it works. Obviously subject to change, correction and
instruction.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 11:59 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Prop Effency
>
>
> Richard
>
> I changed the Subject
>
> Prop efficiency is at least partly related to how fast the prop has to
> accelerate the air it is moving to get thrust. A small prop has to
> accelerate the air allot more to get its thrust and gets a smaller
> percentage of the input power changed into thrust. A large prop moves more
> air so it will need to accelerate the air less and gets more thrust for
> the same power. Now a prop with more blades is less efficient than one
> with less but is less pronounced than the, large verses small prop
> differences.
>
> You are right that as you increase the volume of air that you move with a
> prop for the same power the speed range that the prop produces thrust gets
> smaller. At some point when increasing the prop area diameter, blade cord,
> and number of blades you have to pitch for climb or cruise. The advantage
> of a in flight adjustable prop is that doesn't have to stay at one setting
> it can get more thrust in both climb and cruise.
>
> I don't think that the high fuel consumption is a result of the additional
> prop blade in this case unless he is cruising allot faster.
>
> I base my claims on observations I have made on my airplane with two
> identical engines one turning a two bladed 60 inch prop at 3200 RPM and
> the other turning a three bladed 72 inch prop at 2000 RPM with a 1.61 to
> one reduction. The thrust is almost double for the larger prop. The trade
> off is that I have had to pitch for cruise. The up side is that I get more
> cruise speed 75MPH vs 65MPH and much better climb in spite of lower climb
> engine RPMs. My fuel consumption and the engine temps are a bit less with
> the larger slower turning prop flying faster.
>
> Last night in the cool 45 degree air I was able to keep my big VW cool at
> higher power levels than I can normally sustain. I did some low level
> flying like we have to do going into Oshkosh (well maybe a bit lower) but
> last night the air was smooth and I was able to fly 85-90 MPH at
> 3600-3700RPM on the engine. Popping up over woods and tree lines at these
> power levels and speed is breathtaking. I suspect I was seeing power close
> to what you guys with the 100HP Rotes get wow what a kick. I'm tempted to
> do some better cooling work on the engine and maybe move the oil cooler to
> get more air flow. Well maybe not, It keeps me from over stressing my
> engine???
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: max EGT
>
>
>>
>> I think that would be why your fuel burn was so high and the performance
>> was so weak. IMO, a 68" three blade on a 582 is way too much prop for
>> good efficiency. To get the engine to run right, you have to take a lot
>> of pitch out of the blades, and you end up with a climb prop (in effect)
>> even though it is in flight adjustable. I am using a 2 blade 68" Ivo, so
>> imagine how much more pitch I am running compared to your 3 blade 68" at
>> an equivilent rpm. If you had used your in flight adjust to try and add
>> enough pitch to get it to cruise well, then surely you would be using 5
>> gallons per hour, because your prop load at an equal pitch to what I am
>> using would be 33% higher.
>>
>> Richard Pike
>> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
>
>Here is my two bits:
>
>I am 6'3" and weigh 250 pounds.
My long-lost twin brother!
>I have sat in both the Classic and Mark IIIX.
>The Classic is 'cozy'. Once in you have plenty of head room but your feet
>are definitely tight and I mean that to the point where I didn't feel as if
>I had the space for good free controllability of the rudder pedals.
>
>The Mark IIIX is very roomy and once you are in it you have plenty of room.
>The problem is getting in and out of the thing. I found that trying to
>squeeze through the door openings was a little difficult. Difficult to the
>point that I felt like I was not entirely happy with the whole process and
>started looking at other airplanes. Kolb brought a Mark IIIX to OSH this
>year and I will be honest, I was disappointed when I sat in it because I
>really had my hopes up and it was just friggin hard to get through that
>door.
I guess I need to go sit in both aircraft, and see for myself. But I hear
what you're saying, and it sounds like the Xtra would be a good idea for a
guy like me. Definitely must check this out.
>The jury is not out. I have a build start date of 2008 because of some other
>"wife-generated-home-improvement-mandates" that will eliminate all my shop
>space with furniture storage (why we even need furniture I have no idea, but
>I have learned not to go there.) so I will continue to trek off to Oshkosh
>and sit sit sit in everything until I get it really figured out.
What do you need furniture for, if you have an airplane? ;-)
However the solution to your problem is quite simple; build another shop!
>What I wish is that Kolb made a tandem with more room up front. I couldn't
>even get into the front seat of the Kolbra and I want doors on both sides of
>the airplane that I can remove.
Aren't the Kolb doors removable now?
>The RANs S-18 came pretty close to perfect but I hate the tail, the wings
>don't fold and the airplane is no longer supported by the company as far as
>I know.
>
>There is a real need in the world for an airplane made for the genetically
>challenged like us.
Yeah, I think most planes are designed by guys who are 5'8" and weigh 170
pounds.
>I think they do have one out there with a big enough
>cockpit... ...its called a 757 and they are kind of pricey and I am certain
>that the wing folding is not an option.
Paul Allan, Microsoft multimillionaire and owner of the Portland
Trailblazers, has a 757 that he keeps at Boeing Field, near Seattle. He
uses it to haul his friends and basketball team around. He also has a very
large hangar to keep it in, so folding wings is probably not a priority for
him.
>I am seriously considering an AirCam, but that means the price of two Mark
>IIIX in one machine. If not for the ingress, egress issue the IIIX would be
>about perfect.
That is exactly the sort of information I was looking for. And the fact
that you are my size, makes the information doubly useful. Thanks very
much!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Towing The Kolb |
>
>> I have two areas of concern. The first is wind. Ever have any problems
>> with wind side gusts? I suppose an enclosed trailer, long enough to
>> contain a 24' Kolb, would be heavy enough that the weight of the plane
>> would be immaterial.
>My trailer is very light. Been in all kinds of wind gusts and it's never
>been a problem with my RV. Now there are times I've pulled it with my
>Cherokee or Ranger and I've felt the gusts - sort of a tail wagging the dog
>situation. Don't know that I've ever been in any real bad ones with the
>vehicles and it's never been much of a problem, just gotta stay on top of
>it. Been in really serious dust storms and gusts with the RV/trailer combo
>but the RV is heavy enough to handle the trailer with no problem at all.
Glad to hear that.
>> My second concern is finding RV campgrounds able to accommodate such a
>> long setup.
>Can't help you on that one. I rarely stay in campgrounds and can't remember
>staying in one with the trailer. I usually get to where I'm going in one
>day and stay at the fields, dry lakes, etc., where I'm flying.
That's pretty much how I'd planned it. But I figured I'd occasionally need
to stay in an RV campground. But it sounds like that's not much of a
problem either, with a lot of big rigs hauling toy trailers.
>On a couple
>of occasions when I had the trailer I found gas stations/convenience stores
>that let me stay in the back.
Actually that's very helpful information. Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
Hi Chris,
the Kolb wingfold certainly makes for a narrow set up but have a good look
at the amount of clearance between the leading edge and the ground. It is
pretty close.
I don`t know how regular trailers deal with the tilt as the plane is pushed
up a sloping tailgate. Although I am woefully short of practical experience
in this area when the ground is rough I am very, very careful of the leading
edge.
Good luck
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Effency |
Richard
I only know what I have experienced and what I have been told by people that
I think should know. I agree with you that a large prop depending on how
large will get you into a situation where it is a good climb prop or a good
cruise prop. I suppose you can get a prop the is just too large for
everything. I have prop with a cruise pitch setting. The redrive guys tell
me that I should see 3600-3800 in climb and 3200 in cruise I get a good
cruise speed (74MPH) at 3200 but I only get 3400 in climb(50MPH).
You indicated I have allot of torque in my engine and I do but it is the
reduction ratio that can make a low torque high RPM engine into a high
torque low RPM prop drive.
When I bought my prop Stuart at PowerFin said that the prop I have is the
perfect prop for a 582 on a Kolb. My prop is a F model three bladed 72 inch
PowerFin. This model prop has a wide cord so this is a big prop. I don't
remember what reduction ratio this would be the best prop for but Rotax does
sell some optional ratios for their engines that are in the 3-4 to one area
and this must be what he was talking about. There are just too many
variables in this area for most of us and to get the best of everything with
out allot of experimentation. The guys that make my redrive sell engine
packages for those Newport replicas and they swing a 8 foot prop so that
they look right. What they didn't expect was the large performance gains
they got. Again the Newport engines are using better than 3 to one
reduction ratio.
I still think the air adjustable prop would work just about perfect in
situations were you have a good climb prop but need more pitch for cruise.
They biggest problem I could see would be cranking in too much pitch. The
difference between climb and cruise pitch on Kolbs isn't much. From my
experimentation with my ground adjustable a small change can have a big
effect.
But what do I know?????
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Effency
>
> I mostly agree with you but I think there are a couple factors involved.
> Since you are using a VW and he & I a small displacement 2 stroke 582, you
> have a huge torque advantage when it comes to turning a larger prop. And
> from your post, it sounds like you have a great engine combination.
>
> I was thinking about this whole deal a couple hours ago while out mowing
> the airstrip, (last time this year!) and back before my current 582, I had
> a 532 on my MKIII. I had bought it from a guy in our EAA chapter who had
> it on a Zenair CH701. Zenair has persuaded him to put a 72" two blade Ivo
> on that poor 532, and while it certainly accelerated and took off quick,
> he was always flying it around at 6,200 rpm and only about 60 mph, because
> in order to get the engine to turn up, he had to take all the pitch out of
> it. And he burned over 5 gph. It was like the ultimate climb prop, but
> that was it's only useful function.
>
> Now what if it had been an inflight adjustable prop? I think as soon as he
> would have cranked in more pitch, the engine would simply have slowed
> down, and the airplane would probably not have speeded up any, if at all,
> because there is no way the engine could have pulled that much prop with
> any sort of normal amount of pitch in it. Now obviously this is an extreme
> example, but I think that is what happens when you put a 3 blade 68" prop
> on a 582, and then attempt to compensate for too much prop by changing
> pitch, it is still too much prop. You can't get the speed, but you do
> increase prop load, and correspondingly high fuel burn.
>
> When I owned that same 532, Ivo told me to use a 64" 3 blade prop, and it
> was too much prop. As John and I bantered about yesterday, a 532 is very
> pipey, and with the 3 blade 64" pitched to give any sort of decent cruise,
> the 532 given half a chance, would fall off the pipe. The only way it
> worked right was to have shallow pitch, and then I had to cruise at 5,800
> rpm at about 60 mph. I took away one blade and it worked great as a 2
> blade 64" Went to a 2 blade 66", and it still worked great. Sold the 532
> and got a 582 and it works great with a 2 blade 68". Good acceleration &
> climb, good speed spread, and low rpm cruise.
>
> I am not any great aerodynamicist, (probably didn't even spell it right)
> but between a lot of trial and error, and thinking about the results, this
> is how I think it works. Obviously subject to change, correction and
> instruction.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Effency |
| Last night in the cool 45 degree air I was able to keep my big VW
cool at
| higher power levels than I can normally sustain. I did some low
level flying
| like we have to do going into Oshkosh (well maybe a bit lower) but
last
| night the air was smooth and I was able to fly 85-90 MPH at
3600-3700RPM on
| the engine. Popping up over woods and tree lines at these power
levels and
| speed is breathtaking. I suspect I was seeing power close to what
you guys
| with the 100HP Rotes get wow what a kick. I'm tempted to do some
better
| cooling work on the engine and maybe move the oil cooler to get more
air
| flow. Well maybe not, It keeps me from over stressing my engine???
|
| Rick Neilsen
Rick:
Shoot! Do some better cooling work and have fun with your VW powered
mkIII.
Welcome to what it is all about..........
Can you imagine flying coast to coast like that? Sometimes, it is the
only way to stay awake and enjoy the ride.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Effency |
Richard:
Never had a problem with two blade wood, three blade wood, or three
blade Warp Drive props.
Prop them all the same way, WOT straight and level, bump the red line
for max continuous duty, which is 6,500 rpm for Rotax two strokes and
5,500 rpm for Rotax four strokes.
Still get the best combination of cruise and climb. Of course, my
cruise and climb ain't the same as your cruise and climb. Anything
over 80 is gravey. Anything less than 80 mph ground speed is
depressing.
The mkIII is an 85 mph cruise airplane. Anything over that and you
are wasting horses. 90 mph and you hit that invisible wall.
I sure have a lot of fun between take off roll and 90 mph though. ;-)
BTW Fuel burn for my 582 at 5,800 rpm and 80 mph was 5 to 5,5 gph.
Fuel burn on my 912UL at 5,000 rpm and 85 mph was 4 gph.
Fuel burn on my 912ULS at 5,000 rpm and 88 mph was 5 gph. Noticed I
said "was" because that engine is gone and I have not flown the new
912ULS. Maybe it will get better fuel burn.
As another added note, Jim Ballenger flew my old 912ULS on his MKIIIx.
He is one happy camper after pulling off the 582 which mysteriously
seized on takeoff on his last flight with that engine.
Take care,
john h
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| From: | "ron wehba" <rwehba(at)cebridge.net> |
Hi, guys I finally got the ultrastar plans scanned onto a disc in a tiff
format. If anyone wants a cd burned email me at rwehba(at)cebridge.net
as always""for study purposes only""
you can also find the building manual under files and print it out.
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
Unless you are working with a fairly flat apron area you will have to
create a device at the tailwheel that raises the rearend up at least
three feet to avoid blemishing the wings.
BB
On 16, Oct 2006, at 3:48 PM, pat ladd wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> the Kolb wingfold certainly makes for a narrow set up but have a good
> look at the amount of clearance between the leading edge and the
> ground. It is pretty close.
>
> I don`t know how regular trailers deal with the tilt as the plane is
> pushed up a sloping tailgate. Although I am woefully short of
> practical experience in this area when the ground is rough I am very,
> very careful of the leading edge.
>
> Good luck
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
> --
>
>
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>the Kolb wingfold certainly makes for a narrow set up but have a good look
>at the amount of clearance between the leading edge and the ground. It is
>pretty close.
Yeah, about 3-4", or so I've been told, when the plane is sitting level.
Have to watch that. Wouldn't take much to damage it.
>I don`t know how regular trailers deal with the tilt as the plane is pushed
>up a sloping tailgate. Although I am woefully short of practical experience
>in this area when the ground is rough I am very, very careful of the leading
>edge.
>
>Good luck
>
>Cheers
Thanks, Pat. I think I would build some sort of little rolling support
that I could slip around the fuselage pipe, just ahead of the tail, to
raise the leading edges clear of the ground. Unless somebody has already
come up with a better idea. Which wouldn't surprise me.
What we really need is a "kneeling trailer" that lowers the bed of the
trailer down to the ground, so there is no slope. ;-)
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
>
>Chris & Pat
>
>> I don`t know how regular trailers deal with the tilt as the plane is
>> pushed up a sloping tailgate. Although I am woefully short of practical
>> experience in this area when the ground is rough I am very, very careful
>> of the leading edge.
>>
>I have quite a bit of experience with this and you're correct Pat, the
>sloping tailgate is a problem. I bought a heavy duty trailer jack that
>telescopes up and down and welded it on the trailer tongue. I also cut off
>the handle and welded on a 5/8" nut. When I'm ready to take out the plane,
>I let down the tailgate and telescope the jack down as far as I can. Then I
>use my 18v drill with a 5/8" socket to raise the tongue. The telescoping
>feature allows me to get the jack plate pretty close to the ground before I
>have to start cranking. I can raise the tongue plenty high enough to
>minimize the angle between the tailgate and the floor so the wings won't hit
>when folded.
>
>The brand name of the jack was "Bulldog" and I got it at a place that sells
>mostly horse trailers.
>
>We are having an open house this weekend and i can take some pictures if
>you'd like.
I'd like very much to see them, Dave. Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
>
>Unless you are working with a fairly flat apron area you will have to
>create a device at the tailwheel that raises the rearend up at least
>three feet to avoid blemishing the wings.
Three feet? That much? Hmm. Didn't realize it would take that much.
Guess it would be a good idea to get a trailer as low as possible.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
| From: | "Gene Ledbetter" <gdledbetter(at)aol.com> |
I've been fllying my firefly out of a trailer for 5 years and it is very easy to
scrape the leading edge of the wings if the front of the trailer is not raised
high enough. Ask me how I know.
I put 4 X 4s under the tongue jack to maximize the tongue lift and this has worked
for me. You just need to be very careful the first time you load and unload
to make sure you have clearance.
Gene Ledbetter
Firefly 447 360 hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=68311#68311
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
I have seen photos of a Kolb trailer where it is designed to kneel. There
are also a few of us that have carts like you are talking about for holding
the wings. I have a custom trailer with a cart that I'm building that I'm
planning to pull with my Toyota mini van that I will share with you when it
is finished.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wolf" <cwolf41(at)comcast.net>
> Thanks, Pat. I think I would build some sort of little rolling support
> that I could slip around the fuselage pipe, just ahead of the tail, to
> raise the leading edges clear of the ground. Unless somebody has already
> come up with a better idea. Which wouldn't surprise me.
>
> What we really need is a "kneeling trailer" that lowers the bed of the
> trailer down to the ground, so there is no slope. ;-)
>
> Chris Wolf
> cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | MkIIIc vs MkIIIx |
Todd, with a very minor amount of welding to a slightly used MkIIIc
you can have a lot more foot room. I don't have huge feet but
don't like a claustrophobic footwell either. -and the frontal
area stays the same.
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking For A Plane To Trailer |
>
>I have seen photos of a Kolb trailer where it is designed to kneel.
Such things really exist? Cool!
>There
>are also a few of us that have carts like you are talking about for holding
>the wings. I have a custom trailer with a cart that I'm building that I'm
>planning to pull with my Toyota mini van that I will share with you when it
>is finished.
I'd very much like to see the pictures when you're finished. Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41@comcast..net
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs. Mark III Xtra |
| This might be the way to go, Lar since I was planning on putting a
wire
| cutter up the windshield anyway. I might see if structurally I can
alter the
| Mark IIIX canopy to allow for those doors.
|
| Todd
Todd:
Like I said the other day, you can modify the entrance system to fit
you and still maintain structural integrity of the aircraft.
My mkIII was designed for one pilot and one mission. This aircraft
fits me, and if it fits anyone else, it is lucky.
Contact Donnie Sizemore reference modifications to existing aircraft
kits, or to modify a fuselage before it is complete to prevent undoing
a lot of work that has already been done. Bryan Melborn will also
work with you.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
PS: Wire cutter? Like the Grey Baron said, "Gonna need two engines
to drive the wire cutter." ;-)
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| Subject: | Re:florida location.. |
In a message dated 10/17/2006 4:01:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
Jim S:
Where will you be located in Florida?
Started to send this bc, then decided there may be others on the List
that would like to know where Jim spends his winters.
john h
mkIII
Hi John,
I and my wife June spend our winters near Sebring Florida...we are only
about 4 miles from Sebring airport. I usually help the fellows with the sport
category expo at Sebring. I think I will keep the firestar there as I have a
friend who has a hangar there that we will share. There are several other
small grass strips in the area also..We intend to head down that way about the
20th of Nov. Looks like I might be able to get in the air tomorrow here in
michigan....If so should see some nice color of the trees. Think I will take
the digital camera and take some pics from the air. If everything works out
ok this winter in florida i intend to also fly to sun and fun and camp out
there with the ultra light group...I think that would be a fun time.....
Jim Swan firestar ll Michigan
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
Possums,
I've watched all your videos and this last one was awesome great job
keep'em coming!
Bob Dalton
---------------------------------------
See .... I have a fan .... "Bob Dalton".
This video has a very small section (in the middle that has some
redeeming value) of us flying over Wilmington N.C. after Fran struck
the North Carolina coast very close to Cape Fear around 8:30 p.m.
EDT, September 5, 1996, with sustained winds of 115 mph (185 km/h).
The highest wind gust was unofficially measured at 137 mph (220 km/h)
about 30 feet off the ground between Wilmington and Wrightsville
Beach. I know that we were the first allowed to "officially" fly over
the beech - you might notice the "Hummers" and the guys with the guns
and all the houses knocked down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HwkoeGz9oQ
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| From: | "Terry Davis" <davistcs(at)eoni.com> |
| Subject: | Firestar Loading-Hauling Dolly |
Listers,
With the talk lately about scraping wing leading edges while loading and
ramp angles I thought I'd add my 2-cents worth. I tried the "stock, as
advertised" route early on and found it way too hard on my back and
still had to find a way to support the wings and tailwheel in the
trailer and secure everything for hauling. Someone posted a pic of a
dolly for their M3 and I took it from there.
With my setup I have about 10 inches of LE clearance which is more than
I actually wanted. With the handle on the end it is real easy to roll
the folded ship around and pulling it up the ramp and into the trailer
has no worries of LE contact. Also the location of the tube saddle and
the wing supports takes most of the weight off the tube to cage
junction. I screwed two strips on the trailer floor which stops side to
side movement and a strap through the wingtip handholds holds everything
down. This is the 3rd modification of the dolly and I will probably
redo it this winter again to make it lighter and a little more
professional looking, but hey, it works this way fine.
Notable features taken from the list are John H's 4130 gear legs 35.5
long with 600x6 acft tires and short 4130 tailspring, and planecrazzy's
front LE stabilizer and lets not forget whoever it was that posted the
idea for the dolly. Steven Green maybe? That's the nice thing about
the list, you can bring all this stuff together while sitting in your
undershorts in a warm house.
Terry Davis
Eastern Oregon
FS, 11 Hours!!!!!
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Inspection Plates? |
Having very little experience with tube and fabric aircraft, like the Kolb,
I have a rather elementary question. On metal-skin airplanes, there are
inspection covers that permit examination of the wing's interior structure.
Is there any similar structure on a fabric covered wing? Is there any easy
way to inspect the interior structure of a fabric covered wing?
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates? |
Chris, you can get inspection cover rings and inspection covers from Spruce
and Wick's.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cs/inspection.html
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=107/index.html
Rick
On 10/18/06, Chris Wolf < cwolf41(at)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Having very little experience with tube and fabric aircraft, like the
> Kolb,
> I have a rather elementary question. On metal-skin airplanes, there are
> inspection covers that permit examination of the wing's interior
> structure.
> Is there any similar structure on a fabric covered wing? Is there any
> easy
> way to inspect the interior structure of a fabric covered wing?
>
> Chris Wolf
> cwolf41(at)comcast.net
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates? |
>Chris, you can get inspection cover rings and inspection covers from Spruce
>and Wick's.
>
>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cs/inspection.html
>http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=107/index.html
>
>Rick
I figured somebody had figured out how to do it for a fabric aircraft.
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates? |
>And my experience is, get the recessed inspection plates, especially for the
>area affected by propwash... They won't dance and fall off...
Good suggestion. Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| Subject: | Firestar II Blueprints |
| From: | "special4" <sportsflyer(at)comcast.net> |
I am new to the list, and I am rebuilding a 1996 Firestar II. Unfortunately the
former owner lost page(s) 26 & 28. Where can I get copies of the 2 pages. Did
try Kolb, but no response....
Thanks
Peter
--------
Sportsflyer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=68767#68767
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb Cabin Heat? |
Is it possible to add cabin heat to a Kolb? I know there's no factory kit
for it, but I've heard it can be done with a 503 engine. Any Kolb that I
get will end up with a 912 engine, and I'm wondering if there's a way to
add cabin heat to that setup. Anybody ever done it?
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Loading-Hauling Dolly |
Hi Terry:
How about some profile and frontal photos of the FS. I haven't seen a
FSII, I think that is what you are flying, with longer gear legs and
decent tires.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates? |
| Is there any similar structure on a fabric covered wing?
Yes.
Is there any easy
| way to inspect the interior structure of a fabric covered wing?
Yes.
Same inspection cover. A nylon ring is cemented to the fabric with a
patch over the top. After the fabric is finalized, all dope and
paint, the inside the nylon ring is cut out and an inspection plate
insterted, after the plate is painted to match that area of the
fabric.
john h
mkIII
PS: Don't have to cut out the ring until the first time you want to
inspect.
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
I ran the plumbing past the radiator through the cockpit and to a small
heater core in the nose, and then back to the radiator. Put a 12V computer
fan in front of the heater core to draw air through. It worked pretty good
in the summer...
Got tired of fooling with it. Took it out. Might be possible with more work,
but I decided that warm clothes and good boots were simpler.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wolf" <cwolf41(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Cabin Heat?
>
>
> Is it possible to add cabin heat to a Kolb? I know there's no factory kit
> for it, but I've heard it can be done with a 503 engine. Any Kolb that I
> get will end up with a 912 engine, and I'm wondering if there's a way to
> add cabin heat to that setup. Anybody ever done it?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris Wolf
> cwolf41(at)comcast.net
>
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
| Is it possible to add cabin heat to a Kolb? Anybody ever done it?
|
| Thanks!
|
| Chris Wolf
Chris:
I went to the Kolb Archives, typed in "cabin heat" in the search
string. Got 72 hits. That should keep you busy for a few minutes.
Rather than go to the trouble of piping hot air or hot water into my
cabin, I opted for a Chilli Vest designed for endurance riders in
England, where conditions can be very cold and very wet. The Chilli
Vest is a 12VDC powered and electronic digitally controlled piece of
equipment. I operate mine off the aircraft battery. Have made a
couple flights to the Arctic region with it. Good piece of gear that
gets the job done. Allows one to fly in below freezing temps with
minimum of winter clothing. Keeps the core temp up and the pilot
happy. ;-)
http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
| I ran the plumbing past the radiator through the cockpit and to a
small
| heater core in the nose, and then back to the radiator.
| Richard Pike
Richard:
I don't like the idea of hot water in the cockpit. Two reasons:
1-Burns.
2-If a hose or fitting blows, not only do you get burned and possibly
blinded by the hot water and antifreeze, the cockpit instantly goes
IFR from the steamed up glass.
I know of two instances where this happened, and neither of these was
related to a cockpit heaters.
Norm Labhart was flying the MKIII and a coolant hose let go, instantly
pumping hot water onto his back and head, plus steaming up the glass
and blinding him.
Bryan Blackwood was flying Bruce Chesnut's Sling Shot at Labhart Field
with a child in the back seat. This is the same SS I had been flying
earlier in the day. Coolant hose let go blowing hot water on both of
them, plus steamed up the glass and instant IFR.
Think I'll stick with my Chilli Vest.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates? |
>
>
>| Is there any similar structure on a fabric covered wing?
>
>Yes.
>
> Is there any easy
>| way to inspect the interior structure of a fabric covered wing?
>
>Yes.
>
> Same inspection cover. A nylon ring is cemented to the fabric with a
>patch over the top. After the fabric is finalized, all dope and
>paint, the inside the nylon ring is cut out and an inspection plate
>insterted, after the plate is painted to match that area of the
>fabric.
>
>john h
>mkIII
>
>PS: Don't have to cut out the ring until the first time you want to
>inspect.
Darn clever, these aircraft builders!
Thanks for the info.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
>
>I ran the plumbing past the radiator through the cockpit and to a small
>heater core in the nose, and then back to the radiator. Put a 12V computer
>fan in front of the heater core to draw air through. It worked pretty good
>in the summer...
>Got tired of fooling with it. Took it out. Might be possible with more work,
>but I decided that warm clothes and good boots were simpler.
I do have a very good dog mushers suit; the same sort they wear during the
Iditarod dog race in Alaska. Thin, lightweight, absolutely windproof,
wonderfully warm, and expensive as hell. Bought it from Cabella's. I love
it for open cockpit flying. Guess it would work for the Kolb, in winter.
Thanks for the feedback!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
>>
>> | Is it possible to add cabin heat to a Kolb? Anybody ever done it?
>>|
>>| Thanks!
>>|
>>| Chris Wolf
>Chris:
>
>I went to the Kolb Archives, typed in "cabin heat" in the search
>string. Got 72 hits. That should keep you busy for a few minutes.
I'll take a look at them. Thanks!
>Rather than go to the trouble of piping hot air or hot water into my
>cabin, I opted for a Chilli Vest designed for endurance riders in
>England, where conditions can be very cold and very wet. The Chilli
>Vest is a 12VDC powered and electronic digitally controlled piece of
>equipment. I operate mine off the aircraft battery. Have made a
>couple flights to the Arctic region with it. Good piece of gear that
>gets the job done. Allows one to fly in below freezing temps with
>minimum of winter clothing. Keeps the core temp up and the pilot
>happy. ;-)
>
>http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
I have a similar electric vest that I've used for open cockpit flying, with
great results. I forget the brand name of mine, but it's made of carbon
fiber cloth. No individual wires; the cloth is one big heating wire, and
produces a very even heat over the entire surface of the cloth. No hot or
cold spots. Kinda like being snuggled up next to your Honey, on a cold
night. You can even poke a hole in the vest, and it still works. Nice
electronic thermostat.
I used to wear it while flying a powered parachute in the wintertime. Kept
me delightfully warm. But the 503 Rotax engine was also powering a pair of
electric carb heaters, and an EIS display. When I turned on my vest, the
numbers disappeared on the EIS. Had to alternate between reading my EIS,
and keeping warm!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
>I have made a Complete inclosure on My Firestar and a Heater for the 447 and
>I have made heaters for the 503 as well it sure makes it nice flying all
>winter usually in just a long sleeve shirt.
That would be nice!
>I make a collector Box that installs
>over where your engine cooling air escapes to the atmosphere it has a flap
>valve inside to direct the heat inside the cabin or to the atmosphere and I can
>control how much heat I get in flight also.
That sounds great. Will such a setup also work on a Rotax 912? I know
that engine is at least partly liquid cooled.
> I willl take pictures and Post them if you need
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally(at)semo.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar II Blueprints |
I should have these. I am working on one also. I am not sure where I can
get them copied for you at.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "special4" <sportsflyer(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II Blueprints
>
> I am new to the list, and I am rebuilding a 1996 Firestar II.
> Unfortunately the former owner lost page(s) 26 & 28. Where can I get
> copies of the 2 pages. Did try Kolb, but no response....
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
> --------
> Sportsflyer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=68767#68767
>
>
>
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | what does it do? |
Hi,
Need a bit of help! I am trying to get my wiring back in control and
neatened up for my inspection. I found a bunch of wires that were not
connect to anything at one end and apparently are not doing anything.
The only thing that isn't working on the plane is the "tiny teach". Can
anyone tell me what the wire that I have my finger on does? I have
looked in my manuals and cannot find a reference to it. The original
wiring dates back to 97.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: what does it do? |
| From: | kenanddenice(at)aol.com |
Check that red wire, if it's hot tape it and/or heat-shrink wrap it.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com
Sent: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: what does it do?
Hi,
Need a bit of help! I am trying to get my wiring back in control and neatened
up for my inspection. I found a bunch of wires that were not connect to anything
at one end and apparently are not doing anything. The only thing that isn't
working on the plane is the "tiny teach". Can anyone tell me what the wire
that I have my finger on does? I have looked in my manuals and cannot find a reference
to it. The original wiring dates back to 97.
Larry, Oregon
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Flyin at Lucedale, MS |
Let me add a note:
The grass strip at Ronnie Smith's farm and South Mississippi Light
Aircraft is 3,000 feet long. So....if you want to fly in in a "real"
airplane, you will be more than welcome. A Twin Otter flies sky
divers out of there, and more than once twins have attended the flyin.
john h
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| From: | ElleryWeld(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: kolb cabin heat |
Here are the pictures of the Cabin Heater that I make for the 447 and the 503
engines you other cold weather flyers will be more comfortable in the cold
flying weather with this setup and this is worth a bunch more than you just
paid for it
here I am getting heat in the cockpit with the valve closed
in this picture I am letting the heat escape to the atmosphere, see the
cable attachment point to control the system and the valve open
heres the other end of that same cable in the cockpit in a handy place
skeet tube going to where you want the heat
I leave this system on all year and it doesn't affect engine temps in hot
weather
Ellery's Heater system for any fan cooled engine
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
Hi Folks,
Anyone know of where I might be able to find eight used orange ball wire
markers to put on some of my power lines?
I need around 9" or 12 inch diameter ones.
The price of new ones makes it prohibitve to install em.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Wire markers |
| From: | Dwight.Kottke(at)hti.htch.com |
Denny, up here in Minnesota the power company puts them up for us. They
will also burry them, but it gets real expensive. Give yours a call, see
what they will do.
The MN Flying Farmer
Back in the air after a hard landing
"Denny Rowe"
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Hi Folks,
Anyone know of where I might be able to find eight used orange ball wire
markers to put on some of my power lines?
I need around 9" or 12 inch diameter ones.
The price of new ones makes it prohibitve to install em.
Denny Rowe
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| From: | "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally(at)semo.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wire markers |
In Missouri or this part of it anyway the power company will do it. They
also will bury the lines and split the cost with you.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Denny Rowe
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Wire markers
Hi Folks,
Anyone know of where I might be able to find eight used orange ball
wire markers to put on some of my power lines?
I need around 9" or 12 inch diameter ones.
The price of new ones makes it prohibitve to install em.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Shane Smith Memorial Octoberlite Flyin, Lucedale, Mississipp |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hey John C,
Really wanted to go. Planned on flying. This rebuild and mods has drug out way
too long. Put the fabric gussets and tapes on the cage yesterday. I've got
to take advantage of the good weather today and do some spraying of poly brush.
The weather and my off days haven't been cooperating lately. 10+ months of
drought ended when I got to the painting stage.
I'll be around soon.Thanks for asking.
I may visit in Febuary. Considering the Rotax 4 stroke class.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C
"Using my Repairman Certificate"
St. Francisville, LA
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wire markers |
Thanks
Done, Now waiting for a call from a tech.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: Dwight.Kottke(at)hti.htch.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wire markers
Denny, up here in Minnesota the power company puts them up for us.
They will also burry them, but it gets real expensive. Give yours a
call, see what they will do.
The MN Flying Farmer
Back in the air after a hard landing
"Denny Rowe"
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Hi Folks,
Anyone know of where I might be able to find eight used orange ball
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I need around 9" or 12 inch diameter ones.
The price of new ones makes it prohibitve to install em.
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wire markers |
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Deckard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wire markers
In Missouri or this part of it anyway the power company will do it.
They also will bury the lines and split the cost with you.
Jerry
Jerry,
Thanks for the reply, I had an estimate done a couple years ago for
having the wires buried, after I dug the ditch, buried the specified
conduit, and had a pull rope through it, the power company still wanted
$8K to put a wire through it.. No thanks.
Denny
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| From: | "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally(at)semo.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wire markers |
My cost about 4 years ago was $1200 and they did everything, Even put
up new poles where it went in and out, also put up balls at those poles.
However the line was not a major line. Either 2 or 3 lines.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
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To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wire markers
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Deckard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wire markers
In Missouri or this part of it anyway the power company will do it.
They also will bury the lines and split the cost with you.
Jerry
Jerry,
Thanks for the reply, I had an estimate done a couple years ago for
having the wires buried, after I dug the ditch, buried the specified
conduit, and had a pull rope through it, the power company still wanted
$8K to put a wire through it.. No thanks.
Denny
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| From: | "Beauford T" <beauford(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Don't Pay the Ransom...yet.. |
Listers: I was informed by an anonymous informant that a few people on
this List have been wondering whether I'm dead yet...
Not quite, but my 'puter's hard drive certainly was... ate it's own
intestines, it did....everything short of bursting into flames...
Still cleaning it all up, so I haven't been active on the list.
I appreciate the concern... or the morbid curiosity... whichever....
both work.
I have an item to expose to the collective wisdom of the list. I just
sent a picture to the Photoshare account and I expect that Matt will
have it posted on there in a day or two... a fuel line picture. Back
just after the first of this year, I replaced all of the fuel line on
the toy, using what I had on hand... some blue polyurethane and some
clear polyurethane. Having no sense of esthetics and being somewhat
tacky by nature, I intermixed the two types in a random manner
throughout the system... stood back and admired my flair for decorating.
A couple of weeks ago, I went out to unfold the kleenex airplane to
attempt aviation... Upon preflight, I noticed some crud in the carb
float bowl... looked like small flakes of tan insect wing. The gas had
been in there over a month and had mostly dried up, leaving some oil
residue goo in the bottom as well... I cleaned it out... Looked in the
gas tank... it was clean. Emptied the tank and dumped in a fresh load
of pre-mix. I cranked the mighty 447, which ran about 30 seconds and
quit. Pulled the carb bowl again and lo, it was filled with more
flakes of the tan stuff... Pulled off the entire fuel system and
started through it. Every piece of the blue/green line had a layer of
furry tan flakes covering the walls. It was also darkly discolored, but
I had seen it do this before and was not overly concerned about it
staining. None of the clear line, the filter (which I cut open), the
squeeze bulb, the t-fittings, or the tank had any trace of contamination
in them... only the blue/green line.
I cleaned out the carb jets, replaced all the line with clear P.U. and
the 447 runs normallly.
Over the years, I had heard occasional comments on this List about the
blue line... usually negative, and having to do with the service life of
the blue stuff as compared to Tigon or other uncolored P.U. lines...
But I cannot recall ever hearing anyone describe the sort of problem I
encountered in this instance. In my opinion, this stuff could be
dangerous if what I encountered is commonplace.
Anyone else run across this? Did anyone determine the cause? Would
appreciate any info.
A couple of fuel line takeaways for me... Continuing the float-bowl
inspection as a part of the preflight is a good thing... and with
pre-mix, I will not use fuel line I cannot see through to assess what is
happening inside.
...break...break...
Data point: We had a fatal UL accident just north of Tampa on Saturday
morning. Local guy, a well-known Captain with the county fire
department crashed his CGS Hawk Arrow and killed himself and his 17 year
old son... He just built the plane... took some UL instruction at a
local strip and was soloed by his instructor a few weeks ago in late
Sept... the instructor, who watched him take off, was quoted as being
upset that the guy carried a passenger... NTSB is investigating... local
press, particularly the TV news, is now on an anti-ultralight tear and
is flogging it hard... "tiny engines", no licensing, high accident
rates, flights without flight plans", etc.... Looking at the pictures,
it appears the Hawk went into the woods nearly vertically. ...the beat
goes on...
Beauford
FF #076
Brandon, FL
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| From: | "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)msbit.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Don't Pay the Ransom...yet.. |
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41)
> Over the years, I had heard occasional comments on this List about the blue line...
usually
> negative,
With good reason.....it sucks. Yellow Tygon or Gates black are
the ticket.
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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| From: | "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier(at)cableone.net> |
Guys,
A number of you asked if I would send pics of my jack set up. Here
they are. As mentioned, I cut off the Jack Handle and welded on a long
5/8" nut - the kind that comes with a turnbuckle I think. I also welded
a 5/8" socket to the shortened jack handle to be used when/if the
battery in my 18v cordless drill gives out. Now the aforementioned
drill with a 5/8" socket gives me an electric jack. I got the jack at a
trailer place that has a lot of heavy duty trailers. It's called a
"Bulldog." I'll go through the pictures for you.
1. Trailer with jack retracted - travel position
2. Jack telescoped downward (Eliminates the need for a stack of
4x4's)
3. 18v Cordless drill with 5/8" socket
4. Jack almost fully extended
5. Notice wing clearance and angle of the door relative to the
floor
This system works great. I've probably used it around 75 to 100
times and am very happy with it. In fact, as soon as I send this out
I'm gonna use it again to get my MK III Classic out and pull a gear leg
to straighten it. DON'T ASK!
Hope this helps.
AzDave
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
Hi Kolbers,
Got a call from my power company today.
Said it would be no problem to put the orange balls on my power line but
the cost would be $250 per ball. :-(
Denny Rowe
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| From: | "RICHARD BUTLER" <richardbutlers(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer Jack |
Dave I got it ...
R Butler
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave & Eve Pelletier<mailto:pelletier(at)cableone.net>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:24 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Trailer Jack
Guys,
A number of you asked if I would send pics of my jack set up.
Here they are. As mentioned, I cut off the Jack Handle and welded on a
long 5/8" nut - the kind that comes with a turnbuckle I think. I also
welded a 5/8" socket to the shortened jack handle to be used when/if the
battery in my 18v cordless drill gives out. Now the aforementioned
drill with a 5/8" socket gives me an electric jack. I got the jack at a
trailer place that has a lot of heavy duty trailers. It's called a
"Bulldog." I'll go through the pictures for you.
1. Trailer with jack retracted - travel position
2. Jack telescoped downward (Eliminates the need for a stack of
4x4's)
3. 18v Cordless drill with 5/8" socket
4. Jack almost fully extended
5. Notice wing clearance and angle of the door relative to the
floor
This system works great. I've probably used it around 75 to 100
times and am very happy with it. In fact, as soon as I send this out
I'm gonna use it again to get my MK III Classic out and pull a gear leg
to straighten it. DON'T ASK!
Hope this helps.
AzDave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot(at)cavtel.net> |
| Subject: | MK III X 582 TO 912ULS CONVERSION |
Hello to all
I wanted to share some information I have learned since upgrading from a
582 to a 912uls with a 72" 3 bladed WARP prop on my MK III X. It is not
cheap to upgrade but I got a break on the engine when I bought John
Hauck's old 912uls. It is a strong running engine well proven in the
most extreme of conditions and I am very happy with it.
I ended up lowering the leading edge of the wing by about 5/8" to keep
from getting airborne before the plane was ready to fly and lowering the
leading edge of the horizontal stab to 1/4" above the centerline of the
boom tube. I added a trim tab to the elevator to give it some down
pressure and a large rudder trim tab to hold right rudder. I also
removed my trim tab from the left aileron that I needed with the 582
installed.
My empty weight increased from 564 to 602 lbs and the cg ranges from 26
to 34.8 so it falls within the limits. I have the prop pitched for
straight and level WOT at 5500 rpm. This give me a take off climb of
about 1200 fpm at 70 mph IAS with 5400 rpms. So far some rough
performance numbers are at 5500 rpm in level flight IAS is 95 mph, 5000
rpm give me a little more than 85 mph IAS and 4500 is a little less than
80 mph IAS.
The plane trims out nicely with the way it is set up. I do not have to
use the cockpit trim control while solo to maintain level flight at
5000rpm. This will allow me to trim the airplane with a passenger and
maintain level flight with in limits I hope. Time will tell as I have
not taken a passenger up yet.
I also had to change out my Kunztleman HotBox and EIS and I am very
happy with them.
I want to thank Brian and Travis at TNK for all the advice and time they
spent on the phone with me during the conversion and certainly John
Hauck for going out of his way to remove and deliver the engine to me in
a timely manner so I could get back in the air.
Jim Ballenger
MK III X 912ULS
N46319
Virginia Beach, Virginia
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MK III X 582 TO 912ULS CONVERSION |
Jim,
Congrats on your new powerplant.
Thanks for the info, sounds like you have many hours of fun and
dependable flying ahead of you.
Keep us posted on your adventures.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Ballenger
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: MK III X 582 TO 912ULS CONVERSION
Hello to all
I wanted to share some information I have learned since upgrading from
a 582 to a 912uls with a 72" 3 bladed WARP prop on my MK III X. It is
not cheap to upgrade but I got a break on the engine when I bought John
Hauck's old 912uls. It is a strong running engine well proven in the
most extreme of conditions and I am very happy with it.
I ended up lowering the leading edge of the wing by about 5/8" to keep
from getting airborne before the plane was ready to fly and lowering the
leading edge of the horizontal stab to 1/4" above the centerline of the
boom tube. I added a trim tab to the elevator to give it some down
pressure and a large rudder trim tab to hold right rudder. I also
removed my trim tab from the left aileron that I needed with the 582
installed.
My empty weight increased from 564 to 602 lbs and the cg ranges from
26 to 34.8 so it falls within the limits. I have the prop pitched for
straight and level WOT at 5500 rpm. This give me a take off climb of
about 1200 fpm at 70 mph IAS with 5400 rpms. So far some rough
performance numbers are at 5500 rpm in level flight IAS is 95 mph, 5000
rpm give me a little more than 85 mph IAS and 4500 is a little less than
80 mph IAS.
The plane trims out nicely with the way it is set up. I do not have
to use the cockpit trim control while solo to maintain level flight at
5000rpm. This will allow me to trim the airplane with a passenger and
maintain level flight with in limits I hope. Time will tell as I have
not taken a passenger up yet.
I also had to change out my Kunztleman HotBox and EIS and I am very
happy with them.
I want to thank Brian and Travis at TNK for all the advice and time
they spent on the phone with me during the conversion and certainly John
Hauck for going out of his way to remove and deliver the engine to me in
a timely manner so I could get back in the air.
Jim Ballenger
MK III X 912ULS
N46319
Virginia Beach, Virginia
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10/16/2006
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| Subject: | Re: 701 at MV? (UNCLASSIFIED) |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Dennis,
Hi name is Ken Smalley. He was in my hanger here in Tucson, but he sold his plane
last month to someone in Farmington, NM.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70239#70239
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| Subject: | Re: 701 at MV? (UNCLASSIFIED) |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Dennis,
Hi name is Ken Smalley. He was in my hanger here in Tucson, but he sold his plane
last month to someone in Farmington, NM.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70240#70240
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| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi All,
Sorry to say that I sold my Kolb Mark III today. A gentleman from Miami, Fl. came
out to see it and jumped on it. I will truley miss flying my Kolb. I take the
last flight tomorrow. [Crying or Very sad]
I have a Flight Design CT coming in 5 weeks. I need not say good-bye to my friends
on this list, because I plan to continue visiting you all.
AZDAVE, you missed a really good plane. :D
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70242#70242
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
Have deleted my other videos on YouTube per advice from Mol---er Int.
However have posted this one on Goggle!
Has better resolution anyway - guess their "auction" didn't fair so well??
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8558932262133094065&hl=en
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Vamoose For Sale |
OK, it's official. I listed Vamoose on Barnstormers today.
I listed the plane itself for $12,500.00, with no engine or reduction
drive. This price includes the gull wing doors, tall spring steel
landing gear, heavy duty tapered roller wheel bearings, 8:00 tires,
Narco aircraft radio, transponder and altitude encoder.
The engine is listed separately for $2500.00, and is a 2110cc high
performance VW with electronic wasted spark ignition and computer
controlled fuel injection. To the best of my knowledge, the engine is
great, and started every time I hit the ignition. Engine price includes
Warp Drive 3 bladed 72" prop, My problems were with the reduction
drive, that now lives at the Palm Springs city dump.
The engine is mounted and I would prefer to sell it with the plane, but
if necessary I could separate them.
I also have an enclosed trailer for it that needs a little work on the
modified front end, and have listed the trailer for $2500.00.
A complete description of Vamoose is online at:
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/BUILDINGVAMOOSE.html
A combination of factors brought this about. The primary one is that
I've just lost interest, and not just in Vamoose. In the first 6 years
that I had my pilot's license, I flew over 300 hours in rental planes.
In the last 5 years, just 30 hours. The flightseeing tour at Bella
Coola, B.C. this summer got me jazzed for a bit, but it fell flat again.
Second, I've just accepted a position as Director of Engineering at a
luxury hotel in Santa Fe, NM and 1) I'm not going to have much, if
any, time for hobbies for quite a while, and 2) I'm just not up for
dragging it along and trying to find a place to store it, let alone work
on it.
I don't really think that awful redrive was much of a factor, tho' it
surely did p..... me off big time. That's mechanical and was poorly
designed from the get go, and I think I gave it a helluva go. I'm very
thankful it caused its' problems on the ground.
I still enjoy the Kolb List and my many friends here, and figure on
keeping on with it, Vamoose or no. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
Larry , We are not friends but I have been reading your posts for a few years and
i am going to miss you! and whoever buys Vamoose will get a hell of a deal.Good
luck with the new job .Chris DAvis
Larry Bourne wrote: OK, it's official. I listed
Vamoose on Barnstormers today.
I listed the plane itself for $12,500.00, with no engine or reduction drive.
This price includes the gull wing doors, tall spring steel landing gear, heavy
duty tapered roller wheel bearings, 8:00 tires, Narco aircraft radio, transponder
and altitude encoder.
The engine is listed separately for $2500.00, and is a 2110cc high performance
VW with electronic wasted spark ignition and computer controlled fuel injection.
To the best of my knowledge, the engine is great, and started every time
I hit the ignition. Engine price includes Warp Drive 3 bladed 72" prop, My
problems were with the reduction drive, that now lives at the Palm Springs city
dump.
The engine is mounted and I would prefer to sell it with the plane, but if necessary
I could separate them.
I also have an enclosed trailer for it that needs a little work on the modified
front end, and have listed the trailer for $2500.00.
A complete description of Vamoose is online at:
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/BUILDINGVAMOOSE.html
A combination of factors brought this about. The primary one is that I've just
lost interest, and not just in Vamoose. In the first 6 years that I had my
pilot's license, I flew over 300 hours in rental planes. In the last 5 years,
just 30 hours. The flightseeing tour at Bella Coola, B.C. this summer got
me jazzed for a bit, but it fell flat again.
Second, I've just accepted a position as Director of Engineering at a luxury
hotel in Santa Fe, NM and 1) I'm not going to have much, if any, time for hobbies
for quite a while, and 2) I'm just not up for dragging it along and trying
to find a place to store it, let alone work on it.
I don't really think that awful redrive was much of a factor, tho' it surely
did p..... me off big time. That's mechanical and was poorly designed from the
get go, and I think I gave it a helluva go. I'm very thankful it caused its'
problems on the ground.
I still enjoy the Kolb List and my many friends here, and figure on keeping on
with it, Vamoose or no. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
---------------------------------
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
Thanks, Chris. I'll still be around. The Kolb List has been a great
source of entertainment for me over the past 8 years and I've made many
friends here. I hope it sells soon - I'm leaving in 3 weeks.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: chris davis
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose For Sale
Larry , We are not friends but I have been reading your posts for a
few years and i am going to miss you! and whoever buys Vamoose will get
a hell of a deal.Good luck with the new job .Chris DAvis
Larry Bourne wrote:
OK, it's official. I listed Vamoose on Barnstormers today.
I listed the plane itself for $12,500.00, with no engine or
reduction drive. This price includes the gull wing doors, tall spring
steel landing gear, heavy duty
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
Congratulations on the new job, Larry.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70313#70313
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Vamoose For Sale |
Pat:
Second blank you have fired today.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pat ladd
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose For Sale
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Hi,
Just a follow up on this thread. A lot of you contributed ideas as to
my problem. The main thing was that the only change was the prop, so it
figures that is where the difference came in.
I have been trying to get the wiring mess under control so that I can
move forward on my certificate and have had a lot of company so betweens
the two haven't been a big mover lately.
I also had some concern as to the two tanks not drawing the same. (
back tank higher when flying, so it appears to draw more) I changed the
EIS aux pick up to the rear tank, and that fixed the problem.
I also had some concern as to my fuel burn. ( it was upwards of 4 or
more gallons an hour) To fix that I put my "silencer" back on and put a
148 main jet back in the carb.
That caused me to have some EGT temps over 1250 on midrange. To fix
that I turned in another degree of pitch to the prop.
I just got back from a flight that was 1 hour and 35 minutes, two
takeoffs, three climbs to 1000 feet AGL. ( I had to check some ponds for
ducks for Jessie.) I burned 4 gallons of fuel. My WOT was 6250, I
cruised at 56 to 5700 with an average speed of about 63 MPH. I did have
a bit of higher egt temps on one of my landings when I got in the 4000
RPM range, but I just throttled back more and they dropped. Didn't seem
to need that much power any way. The OAT was in the 20's when I took
off.
I am at a bit of a loss as to why I cannot wind the engine up to 6500
and keep my temps in range as they were with the same carb set up but a
IVO prop. However when I talked to Daryl at Warp he hinted that things
would be a bit different due to the difference in the prop design.
Thanks for the help
Larry
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| From: | Roy Spangler <spangler(at)kirtland.edu> |
| Subject: | Original firestar seat (1) |
To all,
I have a firestar that has had the original web/sling seat replaced with a
fiberglass seat that doesn't allow my 6' 2" frame to fit correctly. I
would like to acquire one from someone out there that has one sitting around.
roy
'enjoy reading the questions and answers on this site!
--
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| From: | Cat36Fly(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: MK III X 582 TO 912ULS CONVERSION |
Jim;
I'm very happy to see you back in the air. However, go easy with those new
performance numbers as some of us are still using the 582. Actually, I'm green
with envy.
Fly Safe
Larry Tasker
Any feel yet for how long your legs are going to be now? Should use less
fuel and as I recall you have 20 gal.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Thompson" <eagle1(at)commspeed.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
What a shock!, But I know where you are coming from. I had felt that way
about some of my Kolbs and didn't even have the problems that you have
had.
I was proud that you were able to squeeze into My Firestar II and
experience the thrill of low and slow flight along with seeing lots of
wild life.
Hope to see you in MV next year and I might be able to see you in
Santa Fe sometime.
Az Bald Eagle
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bourne
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Vamoose For Sale
OK, it's official. I listed Vamoose on Barnstormers today.
I listed the plane itself for $12,500.00, with no engine or reduction
drive. This price includes the gull wing doors, tall spring steel
landing gear, heavy duty tapered roller wheel bearings, 8:00 tires,
Narco aircraft radio, transponder and altitude encoder.
The engine is listed separately for $2500.00, and is a 2110cc high
performance VW with electronic wasted spark ignition and computer
controlled fuel injection. To the best of my knowledge, the engine is
great, and started every time I hit the ignition. Engine price includes
Warp Drive 3 bladed 72" prop, My problems were with the reduction
drive, that now lives at the Palm Springs city dump.
The engine is mounted and I would prefer to sell it with the plane,
but if necessary I could separate them.
I also have an enclosed trailer for it that needs a little work on the
modified front end, and have listed the trailer for $2500.00.
A complete description of Vamoose is online at:
http://www.biglar.homestead.com/BUILDINGVAMOOSE.html
A combination of factors brought this about. The primary one is that
I've just lost interest, and not just in Vamoose. In the first 6 years
that I had my pilot's license, I flew over 300 hours in rental planes.
In the last 5 years, just 30 hours. The flightseeing tour at Bella
Coola, B.C. this summer got me jazzed for a bit, but it fell flat again.
Second, I've just accepted a position as Director of Engineering at a
luxury hotel in Santa Fe, NM and 1) I'm not going to have much, if
any, time for hobbies for quite a while, and 2) I'm just not up for
dragging it along and trying to find a place to store it, let alone work
on it.
I don't really think that awful redrive was much of a factor, tho' it
surely did p..... me off big time. That's mechanical and was poorly
designed from the get go, and I think I gave it a helluva go. I'm very
thankful it caused its' problems on the ground.
I still enjoy the Kolb List and my many friends here, and figure on
keeping on with it, Vamoose or no. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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10/26/2006
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| From: | "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot(at)cavtel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MK III X 582 TO 912ULS CONVERSION |
Larry
It is good to be back in the air. Last Sunday was an overcast morning
and no wind. A great day to test what the plane and engine could do. I
set the engine at 5000 rpm and it just flew as level as any plane I've
flown including the spam cans. Of course it would only fly a few
seconds without any corrections, it wants to roll very slightly to the
left but I felt very comfortable. The plane and engine are a great
combination.
I really don't know how long I will fly between pit stops but I'm
thinking around two hours at fuel flow of 5.25 gph. I'm not sure the
old body or bladder will take much more than that. You're right I have
20 gallons on board.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Cat36Fly(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MK III X 582 TO 912ULS CONVERSION
Jim;
I'm very happy to see you back in the air. However, go easy with those
new performance numbers as some of us are still using the 582. Actually,
I'm green with envy.
Fly Safe
Larry Tasker
Any feel yet for how long your legs are going to be now? Should use
less fuel and as I recall you have 20 gal.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ron wehba" <rwehba(at)cebridge.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
hey Lar, you gonna move closer to these here "rattlers" ron in tx.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bourne
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose For Sale
Thanks, Chris. I'll still be around. The Kolb List has been a great
source of entertainment for me over the past 8 years and I've made many
friends here. I hope it sells soon - I'm leaving in 3 weeks.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk III
Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: chris davis
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose For Sale
Larry , We are not friends but I have been reading your posts for a
few years and i am going to miss you! and whoever buys Vamoose will get
a hell of a deal.Good luck with the new job .Chris DAvis
Larry Bourne wrote:
OK, it's official. I listed Vamoose on Barnstormers today.
I listed the plane itself for $12,500.00, with no engine or
reduction drive. This price includes the gull wing doors, tall spring
steel landing gear, heavy duty
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Big Lar, "You did it!" |
Larry,
As a member of the "Big Lar Fan Club" I dedicate this "Vamoose is Flying"
picture to you my friend. I knew you could do it!
Good Luck with your new job, keep in touch.
Bob Dalton
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
On Oct 27, 2006, at 6:32 AM, pat ladd wrote:
>
>
Pat,
Are you trying to tell us all something with your phantom
messages ,,,,,,,,
that Vamoose was merely a phantom of Larry Bourne's creativity
sorta like possum's non-existent creation?
PS
Sorry to add to your already overwhelming frustration, Pat.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
On Oct 27, 2006, at 6:32 AM, pat ladd wrote:
>
>
Pat,
Have you tried the BBS Forum Interface?
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=5
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
messages to another list are still working as normal.
Seems to be a problem on this list only and I have not changed anything at
this end.
Help
Pat
--
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
On Oct 28, 2006, at 6:01 AM, pat ladd wrote:
>
> messages to another list are still working as normal.
>
> Seems to be a problem on this list only and I have not changed
> anything at this end.
>
> Help
>
> Pat
>
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
LAR!
Sorry to hear you won't be aviating for awhile -- but sorrier still
that I won't get to meet you in Plam Spriggs in Jan., I'd really
looked forward to that. So more gab via email.
Damn! but given the reasons you list, your decision seems to be a
good one.
How did your polarizer ever work out?
Hey, all the best, friend, and see you sometime but GOK knows when --
fair winds,
Russ
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| From: | "ken richter" <susan203(at)centurytel.net> |
Does anyone have experience flying a mk3 without a gap seal, I noticed
one on Barnstormers but haven't flown mine without it yet, It looks like
it may improve airflow to the prop and possibly be more efficient?
Ken Richter in wisconsin
MK3/Geo n50815
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
I would consider flying a MKIII w/o a gap seal to be a Bad Idea.
You know how every airplane has tip vortices rolling off the wing tips
as the high pressure air escapes from under the wing and around the tip?
(Not a very good description, but you get the idea...)
Without a gap seal, you now have four vortices per airplane, two at the
tips, and two in the middle.
Bad Idea.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: ken richter
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Gap seal
Does anyone have experience flying a mk3 without a gap seal, I noticed
one on Barnstormers but haven't flown mine without it yet, It looks like
it may improve airflow to the prop and possibly be more efficient?
Ken Richter in wisconsin
MK3/Geo n50815
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
It did it again, Pat. The message before came thru fine, now this one is
blank again. Dunno what to tell ya. Lar. Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Test
>
>
>
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Copperstate fly-in and the Milows |
Here are some pictures I took today at the Copperstate fly-in
_http://www.milows.com/_ (http://www.milows.com/)
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| From: | Bob Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Ms Evelyn Johnson |
For any of you who have had the great pleasure to have met, or been
instructed by Evelyn Johnson, I'm pained to write that she is in a
rehab facility after a bad car crash, resulting in a partial
amputation of left leg. She just called me, to inquire as both my and
my wife's health! Her hearing is very poor, and her hearing aid
doesn't do well on the phone, but I got some of the particulars from
her rehab aide.
See: http://www.aflyer.com/OCTpdf/page19.pdf
If you haven't heard of Ms Evelyn, well...she has more flying hours
(including mostly instructing) than any living person..in '04 she had
57,567 hours, and more after, until she stopped instructing last year
at 95. She has many prestigious awardsCheck Google/Mama Bird
Those who know her might send her a card: Ms Evelyn Johnson, POB666,
Jefferson City, TN 37760
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vamoose For Sale |
Well, yer just gonna hafta stop by Santa Fe on your way home. It's a
beautiful facility in a beautiful, historic city. It's all official now,
and I'll be leaving here on Nov. 10 to start there, at "La Posada de Santa
Fe" on Nov. 13. I'm looking forward to a whole new set of adventures, even
if I do hafta move. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "russ kinne" <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose For Sale
>
> LAR!
> Sorry to hear you won't be aviating for awhile -- but sorrier still that
> I won't get to meet you in Plam Spriggs in Jan., I'd really looked
> forward to that. So more gab via email.
> Damn! but given the reasons you list, your decision seems to be a good
> one.
> How did your polarizer ever work out?
> Hey, all the best, friend, and see you sometime but GOK knows when --
> fair winds,
> Russ
>
>
>
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| From: | "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Copperstate fly-in (1 of ?) |
ALL;
Had a great time at the Copperstate Fly-In today.
Missed a couple of neat folks, tho. Sorry 'bout that.
I did get a few pix of the more important planes there,
so, I'll try to 'up' them to the list, for your approval.
Both Tim and Craig were so friendly and inviting,
that I had trouble letting them alone to talk to the
folks that were interested in their awesome planes.
These guys do some incredible work and the paint
jobs (the handy-work of Tim, I hear) are superb.
Would like to hear back from a member or two, if
the pix get thru like I hoped.
Thanks,
George Bass
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| From: | "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Copperstate fly-in (3 of Several) |
Part Three of just a couple more.
GTB
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| From: | "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Copperstate fly-in (4 of 5) |
OK. I've had enough. That's it from me.
GTB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Copperstate fly-in (2 of 5) |
Hope this works, too.
Got kicked back last nite,
GTB
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| From: | "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Copperstate fly-in (6 of 6) |
Last of the bunch.
Bet you guys are glad of that, eh?
GTB
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... |
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally(at)semo.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Copperstate fly-in (3 of Several) |
Those sure are nice planes. I wonder what the extra weights.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Firefly composite tailbone |
To All,
For quite some time I have been concerned with the possible internal rust on
the Tail components of- Firefly007 due to water Exposure.- When operatin
g the
Firefly on floats the tail is doused with water. Bryan Melborn and I have be
en
building molds for the glass components. The photo included is the right hal
f
of the main structure. It is vacuum bagged and curing. It is made from epoxy
and structural glass. Not visible is a kevlar internal strap.
Steve
FF007
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Carr" <dcarr(at)uniontel.net> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Carr" <dcarr(at)uniontel.net> |
Bet it works better now!!! I changed to plain text!
DEC
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: 10/30/06 11:58:44
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: test
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Video I took in NY of BB MK III |
_Click here: Bob's MK III - Google Video_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=865088729496945465)
This is my first attempt at posting video on Googles.
It is 109 MBs so it may take a while to view if you have dialup.
Enjoy,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II
_http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=865088729496945465_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=865088729496945465)
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Video I took in NY of BB MK III |
Couldn't play it -- on Mac
On Oct 30, 2006, at 4:52 PM, WillUribe(at)aol.com wrote:
> Click here: Bob's MK III - Google Video
>
> This is my first attempt at posting video on Googles.
> It is 109 MBs so it may take a while to view if you have dialup.
> Enjoy,
> Will Uribe
> El Paso, TX
> FireStar II
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=865088729496945465
>
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| From: | possums <possums(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Video I took in NY of BB MK III |
At 04:52 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
><http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=865088729496945465>Click
>here: Bob's MK III - Google Video
>
>This is my first attempt at posting video on Googles.
>It is 109 MBs so it may take a while to view if you have dialup.
>Enjoy,
>Will Uribe
Looks good from here - when are you going to shoot some from
your Kolb?
It's hard to beat a Kolb for a photo platform.
Here's some shot with my old Hi-8 camera that I converted to digital - with
a resolution loss - then uploaded on Google with about another 30%
resolution loss and it's still looks O.K.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4742969166825363751
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Video I took in NY of BB MK III |
_Click here: Dogfight with an RV - Google Video_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2763911055869008486&hl=en)
But I have, here is a video I took from my FireStar.
_http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2763911055869008486&hl=en_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2763911055869008486&hl=en)
At 04:52 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
Looks good from here - when are you going to shoot some from
your Kolb?
It's hard to beat a Kolb for a photo platform.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "noel anderson" <nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Video I took in NY of BB MK III |
HI Guys. Can't play it at all!!!!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: russ kinne
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Video I took in NY of BB MK III
Couldn't play it -- on Mac
On Oct 30, 2006, at 4:52 PM, WillUribe(at)aol.com wrote:
Click here: Bob's MK III - Google Video
This is my first attempt at posting video on Googles.
It is 109 MBs so it may take a while to view if you have dialup.
Enjoy,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=865088729496945465
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
.when are you going to fly your mkIIIx?>>
Hi John,
Matte came up with a fix. Seems that there was some double encapsulation
(whatever that is) going on.Luckily a computer guy was here today installing
a new comp for Wendy and we concluded that Matte was right and we corrected
it by removing the outgoing virus check on my machine.... seems to have
worked.
Re the plane. I have elected to buy a `quickbuild kit`, which has now been
approved for use in the UK. This means that I shall have a more or less
complete wing turn up which will only need covering, instead of a pile of
tubes. Transport charges are based on the weight and size and as the main
spar dictates the size the difference in transport costs should not be too
much different.
Works were starting to build my wing about the 4th Oct. so I hope that it
is on the high seas by now.
I have been drilling out rivets today so that I can detach the old aileron
for use on the new wing.
After a superb autumn with a lot of absolutely still, clear days when I have
had nothing to fly, the weather has now changed and apart from the odd day
the winter has arrived, so realistically it is a matter of having the newly
repaired plane ready to go when the weather breaks in the Spring.
The clocks went back last weekend so it is now dark by 6 o clock. It is
still quite warm, unseasonably so, around 15/17 C but beginning to look
forward to drawing the curtains, getting the log fire going and a house
full of family for Christmas.
It will soon be Spring. I hope!. I hope!. I hope!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Firefly composite tailbone |
In a message dated 10/31/2006 6:23:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
icrashrc(at)aol.com writes:
I looked at this at the homecoming but didn't get time to ask you about it.
Are you planning on using the mold to capture the tubing in the tail or is
the plan to replace the metal tubing with a composite structure?
--------
Scott
This is the prototype from last year build from scratch without molds
Scott,
The part has come a long way since the homecoming. Cold Damp weather is
horrible for polyester products. Both right and left hand molds are complete and
they are used to build an 1/8 " skin that captures Aluminum tubing. The
vertical post is .120 wall . The hard part was getting the glass on the final
piece
to stay on the mold. By using epoxy and vacuum bagging that problem is
solved. The bonus is a piece that is half the weight of a cold layup and probably
twice the strength. Epoxy and vacuum bagging also allows the use of kevlar in
a couple of key areas.
This part is not for everyone, it is more expensive than the standard steel
part and more work to build. Bryan Melborn will probably offer these to people
that need them for float planes.
steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us> |
Well after 2 LONG days of driving and work, I am the proud owner of
another Kolb aircraft. I was able to purchase the purple(?) and orange
ex-factory demo plane without engine. After a nerve-racking loading and
drive I was ecstatic to see that there was not a scratch added to this
plane enroute home (and that included a 5:00 p.m. run through Atlanta,
Ga....heaven help me) Hope to add a 912 to it soon as possible and
commit aviation in a grand fashion...
Jeremy Casey
Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
www.kilocharlie.us
P.S. John Williamson...been trying to email you and keep getting
declared SPAM by Comcast...can you possibly email me at
Jeremy(at)kilocharlie.us ? Thanks...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
Nice plane, there is a new Jab on barnstormers now, pick that up and you'll
be all set up. Have fun with it!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally(at)semo.net> |
I saw it listed, knew it wouldn't last long.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:38 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: New arrival
> Well after 2 LONG days of driving and work, I am the proud owner of
> another Kolb aircraft. I was able to purchase the purple(?) and orange
> ex-factory demo plane without engine. After a nerve-racking loading and
> drive I was ecstatic to see that there was not a scratch added to this
> plane enroute home (and that included a 5:00 p.m. run through Atlanta,
> Ga....heaven help me) Hope to add a 912 to it soon as possible and
> commit aviation in a grand fashion...
>
>
>
> Jeremy Casey
> Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
> www.kilocharlie.us
>
> P.S. John Williamson...been trying to email you and keep getting
> declared SPAM by Comcast...can you possibly email me at
> Jeremy(at)kilocharlie.us ? Thanks...
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
|
| Nice plane, there is a new Jab on barnstormers
David:
Jabiru and other direct drive engines do not do well on Kolb aircraft.
Had a chance to do some serious cross country flying with John W when
his Kolbra was powered with a Jabiru direct drive. Left a lot to be
desired.
When John W upgraded to a 912ULS, my red and yellow mkIII turned a
little green with jealousy. He was now out climbing and out running
me. ;-)
My only saving grace is I can carry a lot more stuff more conveniently
than he can.
Take care,
john h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Cooley" <jcooley380(at)hughes.net> |
Jeremy,
Good for you. I'm still poking along on the MK III I bought from you. Be
glad that he wouldn't take 7 grand for it or I would have been hauling it to
Mississippi. Don't know what you gave for it but it was a heck of a deal at
the price listed. I just have too much work in the MK III customizing it the
way I wanted or I would have got it anyway.
Later,
John Cooley
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Casey
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:39 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: New arrival
Well after 2 LONG days of driving and work, I am the proud owner of
another Kolb aircraft. I was able to purchase the purple(?) and orange
ex-factory demo plane without engine. After a nerve-racking loading and
drive I was ecstatic to see that there was not a scratch added to this
plane enroute home (and that included a 5:00 p.m. run through Atlanta,
Ga....heaven help me) Hope to add a 912 to it soon as possible and
commit aviation in a grand fashion...
Jeremy Casey
Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
www.kilocharlie.us
P.S. John Williamson...been trying to email you and keep getting
declared SPAM by Comcast...can you possibly email me at
Jeremy(at)kilocharlie.us ? Thanks...
--
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
Congrats Jeremy,
That is a super fine Kolbra and a 912 is just what she needs to be perfect.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: New arrival
> Well after 2 LONG days of driving and work, I am the proud owner of
> another Kolb aircraft. I was able to purchase the purple(?) and orange
> ex-factory demo plane without engine. After a nerve-racking loading and
> drive I was ecstatic to see that there was not a scratch added to this
> plane enroute home (and that included a 5:00 p.m. run through Atlanta,
> Ga....heaven help me) Hope to add a 912 to it soon as possible and
> commit aviation in a grand fashion...
>
>
> Jeremy Casey
> Kilocharlie Drafting, Inc.
> www.kilocharlie.us
>
> P.S. John Williamson...been trying to email you and keep getting
> declared SPAM by Comcast...can you possibly email me at
> Jeremy(at)kilocharlie.us ? Thanks...
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
I got the 912 and I couldn't be happier.
>From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New arrival
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:56:35 -0600
>
>
>|
>| Nice plane, there is a new Jab on barnstormers
>
>David:
>
>Jabiru and other direct drive engines do not do well on Kolb aircraft.
>
>Had a chance to do some serious cross country flying with John W when
>his Kolbra was powered with a Jabiru direct drive. Left a lot to be
>desired.
>
>When John W upgraded to a 912ULS, my red and yellow mkIII turned a
>little green with jealousy. He was now out climbing and out running
>me. ;-)
>
>My only saving grace is I can carry a lot more stuff more conveniently
>than he can.
>
>Take care,
>
>john h
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Video I took in NY of BB MK III |
| From: | "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh(at)columbus.rr.com> |
Man Possum that s a great piece of video. Understand the ability with that camera.
Swallowed one reciently. Appeared three and a half weeks ago I thought I had
kidney stones only to discover I was with within 45 minutes of dead by what's
medically referred to as 3A. Has to do with a abdominal aorta aneurism.
Now to my question:. How did you get them drums in that Kolb?
Oh Ralph
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71539#71539
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shane Smith Memorial Octoberlite Flyin, Lucedale, Mississippi |
This is from John Williamson web page;
_http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1/_
(http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1/)
Shane Smith Memorial Octoberlite Fly-In
Lucedale, MS
20-22 October: (_Route of Flight Graphic_
(http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/gky-lucedale-2006.gif) )
Patches of ground fog over east Texas: _IMG_0317_
(http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0317.JPG)
The car ferry across the Mississippi River at St. Francisville, LA:
_IMG_0324_ (http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0324.JPG)
The Home of South Mississippi Light Aircraft and the Fly-In: _IMG_0326_
(http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0326.JPG)
Tony P=99s FireStarII: _IMG_0329_
(http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0329.JPG)
James T=99s FireStarII: _IMG_0330_
(http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0330.JPG)
John C=99s FireStarII: _IMG_0331_
(http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0331.JPG)
My Kolbra: _IMG_0332_ (http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0332.JPG)
Jim H=99s SlingShot: _IMG_0333_
(http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0333.JPG)
>From left to right =93 John C, Will, John H, Jim, John W, James, Kenn
eth, Paul
and Tony: all are builders or fliers of Kolb Aircraft: _IMG_0338_
(http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0338.JPG)
Mike got in too late for the group photo, but here is his TwinStar MarkII:
_IMG_0361_ (http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0361.JPG)
The Twin Otter jump plane at 14,000 feet with the first five jumpers:
_IMG_0354_ (http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0354.JPG)
Ronnie Smith on his tandem jump just before touchdown: _IMG_0357_
(http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0357.JPG)
Boeing B-17 turning onto final as seen from my driveway just as I got home:
_IMG_0366_ (http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot3/IMG_0366.JPG)
Total distance this Adventure: 924.4 nautical miles.
Total flight time: 12 hours 48 minutes.
Number of landings: 8.
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| Subject: | Trailering a Kolb |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Kolbers/Kolbettes:
Have just added Terry Davis' trailer stuff to the web site. Nice images and descriptions
may be helpful to others. (Preview image attached.)
Have another in the works to be added soon.
Go to: http://gtalexander.home.att.net and click on
"Trailering a Kolb"
Fun, Safe Flying!
--------
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=71543#71543
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| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! |
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)AOL.com |
| Subject: | Ten Rib FireStar |
To All Kolbers
You might recall that last spring (03/30/06), my buddy, Alan Mancus, had his
original model Kolb FireStar upset by a sneaky wind, while visiting Massey
Airfield in Maryland. The damage was substantial and at first Alan thought he
would just quit flying. But, apparently, once you taste the joy of flying
in a Kolb, you just can't stop. And so it is with Alan. I volunteered to
help him rebuild it and I'm happy to say it is finally flying again.
It was a lot of work and here is a list of what we did:
One aileron rebuilt. One aileron built new. Rudder rebuilt. One elevator
rebuilt. Vertical stabilator rebuilt. New aluminum angle muffler mounts.
New Fuselage boom tube/and H piece. Both wings got new leading and trailing
spars and a couple of ribs repaired, plus the addition of 5 more ribs making
it a 10 rib wing. Polyfiber process covering and painting on all of those
components.
I had previously built my own Kolb from a kit, so had that experience. But
I must say, in a way, rebuilding is more difficult. Three items of special
note:
1. Drilling out the old rivets. We had the most success by just drilling
off the head, then using a snap (automatic) punch to knock out the mandrel. On
some occasions the rivet wanted to spin and enlarge the hole. On those we
resorted to many different ways to hold it from spinning. The best was to
hold it with pliers if you can reach it from the back side. If that wasn't
possible, then forcing a knife blade under one edge of the head usually stopped
the spinning. Still, we had a few holes go oversize.
2. Match drilling hidden holes. On sheet metal I've used a special rivet
hole finder tool made for that purpose, but on tubing it doesn't work. So, a
lot of time was consumed in measuring once, twice and three times to get the
holes in the right place. Someone on the list had mentioned cutting out the
existing hole layout from the old tube and use it as a pattern for the holes
in the new tube. And this worked well, especially at the tail end of the boom
tube for the rudder/elevator weldment. Might have worked for the H piece at
the fuselage attach point too, but the original H was so really bent and
twisted, he went with new on that.
3.As for the wings, Alan wanted to upgrade from the 5, to the 7 rib style.
But after thinking things through, we opted to go for a 10 rib design. The
reason was twofold. First, if we simply redistributed the existing ribs, it
would leave empty holes in the main spar. Also, I had heard horror stories
about trying to slide the previously riveted ribs off the main spar, causing
scratches. Especially since the rib flanges on Alan's Kolb seemed to fit very
tight. So, instead, we simply removed the 5 false ribs, top and bottom, then
installed 5 new full ribs in their place. In most cases we were able to
utilize the same holes in the main spar as the false ribs did. We cut the rib
flanges, that go onto the main spar, in half, then clam shelled them over the
spar and used some reinforcing plates to hold them together. We had built
our own ribs and did not rivet the top stringer until it was mounted in place
on the spar. This reminds me of another problem that cropped up. Alan had
purchased one factory built rib and made up a jig, then built up the other 9
ribs to match. Unfortunately, the old ribs on his wing were shorter, which we
didn't realize until after mounting the new ones onto the spar, so off they
came for reworking.
I told Alan that we had better get some tie downs. I don't want to go
through that again.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ten Rib FireStar |
| To All Kolbers
The damage was substantial and at first Alan thought he
| would just quit flying. But, apparently, once you taste the joy of
flying
| in a Kolb, you just can't stop. |
| Bill Varnes
Hi Bill:
Thanks for a very complete report.
Quite an undertaking.
I like the idea you all used for increasing number of wing ribs.
It is easy to slack off on appropriate tie downs until you see and
experience what the wind can do to your own aircraft. Fortunately, or
unfortunately, John W, Gary Haley, Jim Hefner, and I, experienced a
freak wind at Moab, Utah, a couple years ago. We were extremely lucky
that time. Could have been a total disaster for all of us.
john h
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Sorry for the long story, but I hope some will find it entertaining. It is mostly
included for background and the amusement of others, but I have a few questions
at the end. Thanks in advance.
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I bought a junker 1983 Quicksilver MX last year and got it flying this Spring.
I flew it about 35 hours and really enjoyed it but was soon longing for something
faster, more stable in turbulence (higher wing loading), and something I
could take somewhere. A friend told me about the Firefly, I did some research,
and met a guy with one at an EAA flyin. When I saw it and saw it fly, I was
SOLD.
I sold my Quicksilver MX and looked around but didn't see many Fireflies for sale.
There was a nice one down in TX, but I didn't want to drive 44 hours each
way to get it. I found one in San Diego area that sounded good on paper: Factory
built (including covering) in 1993, Rotax 503 DCDI, 3-blade ground adjustable
IVO prop, 4.5 hours TT airframe & engine, including 1 hour Rotax engine
breaking. Full instruments, and enclosed Aluminum trailer for $8000. He told
me about a scarf patch on the tail boom and a couple wing patches but he made
them sound insignificant.
Unfortunately I was a bit too excited and bought it after little conversation,
sight unseen. My wife and I made the 26 hour drive from North Idaho and when
I saw it I was a bit disappointed in its condition. I should have renegotiated
the price down some, but didn't. The prop had been cut down to 52" and the pitch
cranked up all the way. The trailer was home made and kind of funky. He
had painted it himself and it looked it. He had mounted the engine; it wasn't
unsafe, but it could have been better.
At 1 am and 500 miles into the 1500 mile trip home during thunderstorms, wind,
and rain, the right wheel fell off of the trailer. At first I thought the axle
broke, but it didn't. He had recently put on new tires and just hadn't tightned
the lugs down. Before I drove away from his house I considered checking
them, but I have never seen loose lugs before -- usually lugs are put on too tight
rather than too lose. Apparently the wheel worked itself loose and ended
up pulling off through 3 of the 5 lug nuts. I couldn't get the nuts off the
remaining 3 studs, nor did I ever find the tire or wheel. Fortuntely we were
only about 6 miles from the nearest town (it could easily have been 30 miles in
that area). We got some sleep and with a few parts, grinding, and welding from
local stores, we were back on our way 12 hours later.
After I got home I cleaned up the trailer and while still funky, does do the job
fairly well. I also washed the Firefly. Washing something is a good way to
find all the fabric and other damage. While there were probably 5 polyfiber
repairs and it needs 2 more, all are small and only of cosmetic concern.
I looked at the prop some more and realize that the previous owner really screwed
up a nice prop by cutting it down to 52". Even so, the prop was 4.5" above
the boom. It appears he did not know the Rotax B gearbox could be rotated up
because he had it down and the whole engine shimmed up 1" with Aluminum shims.
Even though his plate was drilled for it, he did not use Lord mounts to mount
the engine, and the aluminum plate was bolted to the cage, not the engine block.
The logbook for the engine showed 5.5 hours of run time, but it appears all entries
were filled out with the same pen on the same day. Logbook entries are dated
1997-2004 or 2005.
He obviously had problems starting the engine because it came with a can of ether.
He had a choke control and primer system with it. The choke cables were
so lose as to be totally innefective. He had a quality GA grade Essex primer
on it, but the hoses were crumbling apart.
I replaced some of the fuel line and sealed off the primer lines until I could
get the right hose and fittings for it. I also cleaned out the fuel tank and
carbs. I flew it twice pretty much as is, but only about 10-20 minutes and 2
landings both times.
The FF always took lots of right aileron to hold the wings level. Clean power off
stall was 40mph IAS on the 0-160mph gage. This seems fast considering I was
expecting closer to 30mph. Clean p/o stall with full flaps was maybe 2mph less.
I tried high cruise (WOT=6000 rpm) but it took almost full forward stick
and it still wanted to climb. It also took lots of right stick. Even though
my right arm got tired of holding right stick, there was still plenty of right
stick available, but it took both arms to do it.
For the 3rd flight I fixed the choke and adjusted the ailerons (this time in the
right direction). Aileron forces are MUCH better, but still requires some right
stick, especially at high cruise. I did 2 landings on each flight, the first
pretty good, the second perfect. I decided to see what kind of power off
glide ratio the Kolb Firefly has. At the 180 I pulled power. I thought I was
going to be too high but with the wind down the runway and the surprisingly
poor L/D glide radio of the FF, I thought I would just make the numbers. On short
final (
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Jim
N. Idaho
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72174#72174
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: New Kolb owner |
Graet post! Now for your questions -
----- Original Message -----
From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: New Kolb owner
QUESTIONS
1. Does everybody have their Rotax gearbox in the "UP" position?
Ans. - Yes.
I am concerned that the Firefly may be aerodynamically designed to have the
gearbox up. This would raise the thrust line and reduce the excessive
forward stick needed for high-speed cruise.
Ans. - Yes. And after you turn the gearbox over, if it still wnats to nose
up, droop the ailerons a bit and see if that doesn't help. You will probably
need a trim tab on the right aileron, hanging down a bit. That will relieve
the right stick pressure.
Or is it good to have the prop as low as possible.
Ans. - No, it is designed to have the gearbox up.
2. Engine mount location
The previous owner installed the Rotax 503 with the aft end of the engine
block (not the PTO) flush with the back end of the mounting plate and Lord
mount holes. The B gearbox is 2" aft of the plate, and sticks down below it.
I wonder if this causes an aft CG condition that is the primary reason for
the excessive forward stick needed at high cruise.
Ans. - Probably not, he probably did it just to have the box clear the
frame.
He may have done this because he does not have the 2.5" Ivo prop spacer I
have seen on other Fireflies with the Rotax. If I install the standard Lord
mounts, it may move the engine forward to where I will have to buy a spacer.
Ans. - It depends. Maybe. A spacer will make your airplane quieter, you may
not care about that. If you buy a new prop and it can be made to flex
anywhere close to any part of your airframe, buy a spacer.
3. Weight/CG
The previous owner did a weight and balance on the FF. It is 70# over the
part 103 weight, but it showed as within CG (I don't remember exactly where
it was). There is no BRS or unusual accessories on the aircraft so I am
surprised it is so far overweight. It has the short windshield, 4" wheels,
drum brakes, and oil injection. The 503 only explains an extra 20# over a
447; the brakes, 3-bladed prop, and instruments maybe another 20#. Is 320#
excessive? What is the average weight on the tailwheel for a Firefly? What
is the average weight of a "real" Firefly?
Ans. - I'm not qualified to answer, don't have a FF.
4. Does anybody use a short prop?
Ans - Not if they can help it.
I hate to fork out $500 for a new IVO 62" 3-bladed prop if I can make the
one I have work. It is cranked up to max pitch (I believe) and turns 6000
rpm static AND in flight. Until I bent the gear, my plan was to reduce pitch
until max rpm is 6400-6500 rpm. Then I would measure rate of climb and try
to get a feel for the performance. Currently, takeoff and initial climb seem
OK, but it seems to drop to 500-600 fpm after 500'. I think I should see
1000+ fpm ROC. If I can get to that, I will probably keep the prop I have.
But with I 503dcdi on a Firefly, I expect spectacular performance. It's been
OK, but certainly not spectacular.
Ans. - Don't buy a 3 bladed 62" Ivo, buy a two bladed 64" Ivo. It will work
better and save you $100.
Thanks,Jim
-You're welcome. Enjoy your 'Fly
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldpoops)
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ten Rib FireStar |
In a message dated 11/3/2006 6:02:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes:
Willie my friend who you met at Homer's along with Earl Zimmerman who you
also met there, led me down there to their fly-in this year.
Hi Terry,
Good to hear from you. Is Willie the Candy Man? If so, then I know who he
is. And I know who Earl is.
Massey Airfield has an 'Open Hangar Day' scheduled for Sunday, December 3,
2006. From 1:00 to 5:00 PM.
If the weather is good, maybe I'll go. But I cannot stand the cold anymore.
Too soon oldt, too late smart.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| From: | Larry Rice <rice(at)iapdatacom.net> |
If you have a big wind coming up, remember the 1920's barnstormer trick.
Dig 2 holes in the dirt for the mains, make them deep enough to put the
wing at zero lift with the tailwheel on the ground. Put the mains in the
holes, fill them with dirt, then tie down your airplane. You'll have to
clean it up afterwards, but you'll still have an airplane even after one
heck of a wind.
Larry the micro Mong guy
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| From: | "Beauford T" <beauford(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
Jim:
Congrats on the purchase of the Firefly, and welcome to the list.
I think the Fly is a delightful little machine and I am sure you will enjoy
yours, especially
if you can get the weight down closer to where it was designed to be;
around 500 lbs all-up gross. I regularly fly mine at about 515 or 520,
but believe me every extra pound costs you in terms of performance and I
can feel it in mine when I load it over 515... even 10 pounds makes a
substantial difference. A 500 pound Fly pushed by a healthy 447 is a real
rocket ship...
Of most concern to me in what you wrote is the 503 installation. The
steel cage on the stock Fly is manufactured mostly from .028 wall
thickness chromoly... Back in '99, I talked to the factory folks about
cage materials and engineering when I was ordering my kit. The guys at
original Kolb told me that the cage was engineered to be heavy enough to
take the weight and stress of the Rotax 447, but definitely not engines
heavier or more powerful. After talking with them a while, I had the cage
for my airplane built
using thicker .035 tube, even though it
made the cage a couple of pounds heavier. I have discussed the matter of
putting a 503 on my heavier cage airplane with the man who actually
designed and engineered the Firefly... He clearly thinks it is not a
good idea to overstress the structure with the heavier engine, even with
my special-order .035 cage structure. I consider this individual to be
highly competent
and I know for a fact that at Kolb he put a lot of quality engineering and
stress analysis into designing the Firefly cage... remember, the use of
the 447 on a legal UL was a big deal back then...It was considered a BIG
engine for this size and weight airplane. As I recall, this was the first
447 powered design to meet the part 103 requirements.
Anyway, bottom line in all of this is that it might be worth thinking about
the ramifications of a 503 on a stock Fly cage...could be a good idea to
watch it closely for
cracks and deformed structure. And it might also be worth checking on the
issue
of the extra weight of the 503 up there behind
your head on that light .028 structure if you should commit a sudden
stoppage... of the airplane, not the engine... keeping that Rotax off the
back of your neck is the cage's job...skinny cage might just do a skinny
job...
There are some knowledgeable gents on this List who know a lot more about
this
matter than I, sir... and there is most certainly some considerable
expertise at the Kolb
Works on the questions about hanging the bigger motor on it... If nothing
else, the
factory can likely tell you what wall thickness the tubing in your
particular cage might
be if you tell 'em the serial number... Might not be a problem at all... but
phone calls
are cheap and they just might have some insight into this particular
issue... Just a thought...
You mentioned props... the stock Firefly prop size in an IVO 2 blade was
66 inches on the 447 ... gave a little over an inch clearance on the
boom... gearbox up.
Good luck, Sir... Be advised that my advice is worth what ye paid fer it....
Beauford, the Aluminum Butcher of Brandon FL
FF #076
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: New Kolb owner
Kolb-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Sorry for the long story, but I hope some will find it entertaining. It
is mostly included for background and the amusement of others, but I have
a few questions at the end. Thanks in advance.
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Jim
N. Idaho
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb Training Question |
I've got my eye on a used Kolb Mark III Xtra that I'm interested in buying.
Normally I'd just go look at the airplane, the owner and I would test fly
it, and if I liked it, I'd buy it. Unfortunately the owner of this Kolb
has lost his medical, and can no longer fly it (which is why he's selling
it). Very sad! Unfortunately I haven't yet been checked out in a Kolb, so
I can't just show up and fly it, either. And there's nobody local who can
act as a Kolb flight instructor for me. I'm currently taking some local
traildragger instruction in a Citabria, since I've never flown a
taildragger before, but I still need to be checked out in a Kolb Xtra, so I
can show up at the seller's door, ready to examine and fly his plane. And
hopefully buy it!
So my question is, where can I go to get checked out in a Kolb Mark III
Xtra? We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live. Would
it be best to go back to the factory, in Kentucky? Does the factory do
this sort of thing? Or is there somebody who would like to give me a
checkout in a Kolb Xtra? For pay, of course! And I can travel for the
instruction.
Thanks for any suggestions!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "Jerry Deckard" <mustangsally(at)semo.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Training Question |
Since the Kolb qualifies for sport pilot, why was he taking medical. I guess
he could have been flying something else. A good reason not to take a
medical.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wolf" <cwolf41(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Training Question
>
>
> I've got my eye on a used Kolb Mark III Xtra that I'm interested in
> buying.
> Normally I'd just go look at the airplane, the owner and I would test fly
> it, and if I liked it, I'd buy it. Unfortunately the owner of this Kolb
> has lost his medical, and can no longer fly it (which is why he's selling
> it). Very sad! Unfortunately I haven't yet been checked out in a Kolb,
> so
> I can't just show up and fly it, either. And there's nobody local who can
> act as a Kolb flight instructor for me. I'm currently taking some local
> traildragger instruction in a Citabria, since I've never flown a
> taildragger before, but I still need to be checked out in a Kolb Xtra, so
> I
> can show up at the seller's door, ready to examine and fly his plane. And
> hopefully buy it!
>
> So my question is, where can I go to get checked out in a Kolb Mark III
> Xtra? We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live. Would
> it be best to go back to the factory, in Kentucky? Does the factory do
> this sort of thing? Or is there somebody who would like to give me a
> checkout in a Kolb Xtra? For pay, of course! And I can travel for the
> instruction.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions!
>
> Chris Wolf
> cwolf41(at)comcast.net
>
>
>
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Training Question |
>
>Since the Kolb qualifies for sport pilot, why was he taking medical. I guess
>he could have been flying something else. A good reason not to take a
>medical.
>Jerry
It's my understanding that his medical condition is serious enough to
preclude all flying. Tough break.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Wolf" <cwolf41(at)comcast.net>
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 1:26 PM
>Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Training Question
>
>
>>
>>
>> I've got my eye on a used Kolb Mark III Xtra that I'm interested in
>> buying.
>> Normally I'd just go look at the airplane, the owner and I would test fly
>> it, and if I liked it, I'd buy it. Unfortunately the owner of this Kolb
>> has lost his medical, and can no longer fly it (which is why he's selling
>> it). Very sad! Unfortunately I haven't yet been checked out in a Kolb,
>> so
>> I can't just show up and fly it, either. And there's nobody local who can
>> act as a Kolb flight instructor for me. I'm currently taking some local
>> traildragger instruction in a Citabria, since I've never flown a
>> taildragger before, but I still need to be checked out in a Kolb Xtra, so
>> I
>> can show up at the seller's door, ready to examine and fly his plane. And
>> hopefully buy it!
>>
>> So my question is, where can I go to get checked out in a Kolb Mark III
>> Xtra? We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live. Would
>> it be best to go back to the factory, in Kentucky? Does the factory do
>> this sort of thing? Or is there somebody who would like to give me a
>> checkout in a Kolb Xtra? For pay, of course! And I can travel for the
>> instruction.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions!
>>
>> Chris Wolf
>> cwolf41(at)comcast.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Bob Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net> |
Several of my past planes (GA..ugh) have had to be tied out for
various times. One way to keep them from soloing has been to make,
outa scrap, some top-of-wing spoilers. They were anywhere from 2-4
in. high, and at least 4 ft long, cushioned on bottom with either
salvaged styrofoam, old pcs of carpet, or under-carpet padding. They
were mounted about over the main spar, and held on with long bungees
that looped around chord-wise. A better way of mounting: make a thin
"hook" outa either scrap plywood or something flexible, that goes
from the spoiler forward and around the LE. A little thought and some
scrap (love that word) will yield a thing that will kill lift. Never
tried it on hor. stabs., but should work there.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ten Rib FireStar |
In a message dated 11/4/2006 1:14:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes:
Where did you learn the Pennsylvania Dutch?
Hi Terry,
Well, I used to live in Cochranville, PA. Born and raised on a farm. Had
relatives living in the heart of Amish country around the Bartville/Nine
Points area. I moved to NJ when the company I worked for moved there. Been here
42 years now. Wow! Doesn't seem that long. Now retired and I guess I'll
stay put. Have a 6 year old grandson close by.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
some top-of-wing spoilers. They were anywhere from 2-4 in. high, and at
least 4 ft long, cushioned on bottom with either
salvaged styrofoam, old pcs of carpet, or under-carpet padding.>>
Hi,
used to do that on the old Dagling and Zogling type gliders in the early
days when we used to bungee launch. In the early instruction phase the lift
killers were slid onto the leading edge and the guy under instruction was
dragged across the field by half a dozen other students while the instructor
ran alongside shouting .
Mind you, the damn things would hardly lift off even without the lift
killers but it was a safeguard if there was a sudden gust of wind.
If you made them right they doubled as leading edge supports when the wing
was stacked away at the end of the session.
Pat
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Suggestions for cutting Matco hardened axle? |
| I was wondering if anyone has any experience or suggestions for
cutting the hardened steel axles?
|
| John Bickham
Morning John B
I cut MATCO axles with a hack saw. Buy the best bi-metal blades
available. Usually, they cost about three times as much as the
regular cheap blades. I have one in my hack saw now that has been in
there for many years. Either it is a good blade, or I am not sawing
much now days. ;-)
I do not know how hard MATCO heat treats their axles, but they are not
that hard. I also drill them with a certain amount of success.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! |
| From: | "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Awesome! Thank you!
Matt
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Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! |
| From: | "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
>
> > I've got a check ready to mail ....probly mail it on the way to work Monday
morning....
> > .
> >
> > Good Job Matt...
> > .
> > .
> > Gotta Fly...
> > Mike & "Jaz" in MN
> > .
>
>
> Awesome! Thank you!
>
> Matt
Whoops, sorry, that previous message was suppose to quote Mike's message...
Matt
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| From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
| Subject: | Re: New windshield |
Re: full enclosure. I have a Mark III Classic velcro and vinyl
enclosure that came with my kit. I will never use it. Make offer. Vic
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the Matronics
Email Lists system. Here's how it works...
During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a Contribution
to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a
Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for the rest
of that year?
Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone that makes
a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas for
the rest of the year!
The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but also the
Digest distribution! For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily Digest
email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well! (Note that
my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests, List
Browse, and on the Forum site.)
For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure to include
your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to determine
eligibility.
So, in a nutshell, here's how it works:
Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution" messages!
How sweet is that? If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics Email
List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what is!
Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had along with
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Thank you for your Support!!
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| Subject: | Re: New windshield |
I need a full enclosure for my Firefly. Do you think yours would work for
me?
Thanks,
Jim
N. Idaho
>
> Re: full enclosure. I have a Mark III Classic velcro and vinyl
> enclosure that came with my kit. I will never use it. Make offer. Vic
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| Subject: | Facet pump installation (UNCLASSIFIED) |
| From: | "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
Lanny Fetterman asked: << install a facet fuel pump in parallel with
the mechanical pump. If anyone has ... any suggestions before I start
this project, I would appreciate the help. I read that the pump should
be placed below the level of the fuel tanks, Is it best to wire it to
the ignition
switch so it runs all the time, as suggested by one of the other pilots
taking the course, or a toggle switch? Lanny Fetterman >>
Hi, Lanny -
Kolb List members are somewhat split in opinions for how to install the
Facet pump. Some like 'em parallel, some like 'em in series with the
mech pump. The archives are full of Kolb Members' personal opinions for
the benefits of either installation. Personally, I plumbed mine in
series and have had zero problems. Advantages are, fewer connections to
potentially cause a problem. The Facet is designed to allow fuel to
continue flowing thru it when it is off or failed. Although I have
heard one story of a Facet pump blocking the fuel flow when it failed,
this was the exception, not the rule.
I also followed Richard Pike's advice to keep the Facet pump running all
the time while flying. Given that this pump boasts an average
mean-time-between-failure rate of tens of thousands of hours, you are
not really "saving" any potential pump life by leaving it off. Mine has
an on-off switch, and I only turn it off during my runup, to ensure the
mech pump is still working. After that, I turn it back on, and leave it
on for the entire flight.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, 59.8 hrs
Cedar Crest, NM
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Training Question |
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>Good luck on the purchase. You can't find much better than a Kolb
>IMHO.
That's what I keep hearing. I want the plane primarily for flightseeing,
and I understand that the Kolb is one of the best. And I want good folding
wings, which the Kolb seems to have.
Originally I had planned to get a Zenith 701. Fine little airplane, but I
don't like the way the wings fold, the view doesn't seem quite as nice, and
the cockpit seems a little small for anyone over six feet tall (like me).
I hear the Mark III Xtra has an extra-large cockpit to accommodate larger
pilots.
>Flying the bird prior to buying it is nice and all, but I'd much
>rather a competent (UL-savvy) A&P do a thorough check of it, first and
>foremost. He might find that one little thing that would change your mind
>about flying it right away. And if his inspection goes well, you'll have
>much more peace of mind on any flying and the ultimate purchase.
That's an excellent point. But I'd always heard that A&Ps didn't have much
to do with ultralights. Has that changed? If so, is there any good way to
go about finding such an expert? Thanks!
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Cat36Fly(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Repairman ELSA / Facet pump |
Congrat's on the new certificate! I'm getting ready to perform my first
annual on my MKlllX.
I installed both the mechanical fuel pump and an electric Fawcet in line
with one another. The electric is on a toggle switch from my electric panel
(battery) with a fuse in line. I can fly with both fuel pumps running (Takeoff)
or just the mechanical (cruising). I also use the pump as a primer on startup
(no squeeze bulb) along with the choke. I start the fuel pump when I get in
the AC and start my cockpit checks so it has time to fill the carbs. Even
after setting for a couple of weeks the engine fires up with little problem.
This arrange simplifies the plumbing, eliminates potential leaks and has
worked without any problems for 50+ hrs.
Good Luck
Larry Tasker
MKlllX 582
N615RT
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| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
I noticed too that when I start the engine after a while of not running that
it starts quicker if I run the fuel pump and choke it. I'm pretty sure it
has to do with empty fuel lines and the distance from the tank to the carbs.
When I'm in cruise and the electric fuel pump is on I noticed that the fuel
flow meter is higher than when the electric fuel pump is off. I don't know
what happens to the extra fuel... but I keep it off in case it is
conserving.
David Key
Mark III Xtra, 912uls
N952DK
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | 2007 Monument Valley? |
Hi Kolbers -
Will there be another Monument Valley Kolb fly-in in
2007? Same weekend in May as this year, or...?
I had such a great time flying there and hanging out
with you Kolbers that I want to do it again - en route
to Texas. (Why Texas? Seems like a good place to fly
to on a long cross-country.)
It may be way too early for many of you to be thinking
about next spring, but I'm trying to get a head start
on my work schedule. And I need lots of time to
sweet-talk my honey into my being gone a month - which
is how long I figure it will take me to get to Texas
and back to Oregon.
I've already started talking with a few ultralight
buddies (Larry - are you listening?) about making the
flight with me. I know that Will Aribe, John Hauck
and others fly these incredible distances on their
own, but I'm a chicken-hearted pilot and want at least
one other pilot flying with me.
Anyway - let me know if there's already some thinking
going on about re-convening in MV next year, and if
the thinking hasn't started, when it might.
Hoping to see you Kolbers again -
Arty Trost
Maxair Drifter
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
My first Kolb is on Ebay now! Long time no see. It hasn't changed at all.
The hours are even lower. Good plane!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kolb-Mark-III-Ultralight-Trainer-Aircraft-Parts_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63722QQihZ004QQitemZ140048314681QQrdZ1
David Key
Kolb Mark III Xtra 912uls
N952DK
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| Subject: | Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
| From: | "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
Does anyone know the glide ratio of the Mark-3 Classic?
I'm asked this question often by fellow pilots, about my Kolb.
Though I do not know the answer, I know they are wanting to compare our
"very light" planes to their GA mounts (Cessnas and Pipers), which
generally have glide ratios that fall between 7:1 and 9:1.
My Mark-III, with approximately the same wing area as a Cessna-172, yet
operating at about a third the weight, MUST have a better glide ratio
than the Spam cans, right?
Dennis Kirby
New Mexico
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
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| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Dennis, I'd bet on the Spam Cans.
>From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED)
>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:27:02 -0700
>
>
>
>Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>Caveats: NONE
>
>Does anyone know the glide ratio of the Mark-3 Classic?
>
>I'm asked this question often by fellow pilots, about my Kolb.
>
>Though I do not know the answer, I know they are wanting to compare our
>"very light" planes to their GA mounts (Cessnas and Pipers), which
>generally have glide ratios that fall between 7:1 and 9:1.
>
>My Mark-III, with approximately the same wing area as a Cessna-172, yet
>operating at about a third the weight, MUST have a better glide ratio
>than the Spam cans, right?
>
>Dennis Kirby
>New Mexico
>Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>Caveats: NONE
>
>
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
On Nov 7, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL wrote:
> My Mark-III, with approximately the same wing area as a Cessna-172,
> yet
> operating at about a third the weight, MUST have a better glide ratio
> than the Spam cans, right?
Not really.
Spam cans are much cleaner aerodynamically than our Kolb planes are.
Sink rate may be somewhat better in a Kolb due to lighter weight
but not glide ratio.
At gross weight a two place Kolb will have a glide ratio slightly
better than a brick. < g >
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Hey Kolbers ever had an engine out?I built a 1990 KXP with a 503 flew it for 10
years and had two engine outs, fortunately both in the pattern she glided wonderfully
I wished I had dive brakes so I could get her down she floated nearly
the lengh of the 1500 ft field but a mk III AT gross weight I saw one come
down and all it did was wipe out its gear but Norm and I came down fast and hard
hes dead,.Im building a . rest his soul and when I get out of my wheel chair
I'm going to build a XENOS motorglider 24to 1 and a cruise speed of 120 knots.I'm
building a hanger shop this winter,in my wheelchair and my deposit to
SONEX it soon on its way! Don't get me wrong I still love KOLBS and you guys
but that glide ratio Question just got me started ,sorry oh by the way I have
a private glider license and had to learn alot about glide raatio to get it .
Chris Davis
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| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Chris,
I had an engine off landing with a passenger in a Mark III, the landing was
smooth as silk. No need to bend anything. The stall speed is the same with
or without the engine running. I was at 5k and I was glad I was high and
over my airport.
I haven't yet figured out how to land my xtra smooth as silk.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Guys,
I shut my engine down on a regular basis to practice engine off landings. Sometimes
at 500' and sometimes at 5k'. I have a Kolb Mark III classic. I only have
other aircraft that I have flown over the years to compare with, but I would
say the glide ratio is only about 5 or 6 to 1. The Kolb is definety not a long
glider.
Engine off landings are a piece of cake. It's just like landing with the engine,
but you only get one shot and no high flares.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: New Kolb owner |
In a message dated 11/4/2006 11:42:53 A.M. Central Standard Time,
beauford(at)tampabay.rr.com writes:
You mentioned props... the stock Firefly prop size in an IVO 2 blade was
66 inches on the 447 ... gave a little over an inch clearance on the
boom... gearbox up.
Good luck, Sir... Be advised that my advice is worth what ye paid fer it....
Beauford, the Aluminum Butcher of Brandon FL
FF #076
Hi Bill,
Haven't seen You post on the list in a while! Guess you've been busy!
I am puzzled how you got over an inch clearance with your 66" Ivo. I
have close to 3/4' clearance , but would feel a lot better if I had over an
inch!
Ed Diebel FF # 062
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| Subject: | Re: New Kolb owner |
| From: | "The BaronVonEvil" <grageda(at)innw.net> |
Hi Jim,
I live here in Walla Walla WA and fly a Kolb Firestar II. What part of N. Idaho
do you call home? I am not aware of many Kolb flyers in the area and would
be happy to meet with you and help in any way I can. You are welcome to come
by and check mine out if you like to try and answer any questions you might have.
My Firestar has a Rotax 447 with the 2.58 to 1 B gearbox upright. I believe this
is how they are meant to set up. It came with a 66"'x 30p Tennessee prop and
flew well. I have since changed to a powerfin 62" composite two blade prop and
gained a smoother and slightly better performance.
I believe you will end up changing out the prop on your 503 due to it being undersize
for your engine. I would seriously consider remounting the engine onto
Lord mounts to prevent damage to your airframe before flying it further. The
Lord mounts will also raise the engine about .75" which will help with the prop
clearance over the tail boom
A larger prop will definitely improve your climb rate over the cut down prop you
have now.
On mine at least I have about 2.75" of clearance between the propellor tips and
the aileron tubes. With the IVO's I think the prop needs about 3" of clearance
due to the blade flexing.
I would also as a precaution do a compression test of your engine and make sure
it is up to snuff. Starting fluid is BAD NEWS to 2 cycle high performance engines.
If the engine doesnt start easily you are either doing something wrong
or the engine is out of adjustment somehow.
Most important is to run fresh fuel through your engine. Old fuel is almost as
bad as starting fluid.
You should do a weight and balance of the Firefly yourself to verify what the paper
work is saying. It sounds a wee bit phat but you havent mentioned if you
have electric starting or how much other stuff is actually on the plane. All
those little accessories that people add to their planes can add lots of weight
in a hurry.
I hope this helps out. Feel free to email me if you have any questions or maybe
want to get together sometime.
Best Regards 8)
Carlos Grageda
AKA
The BaronVonEvil
grageda(at)innw.net
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
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Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to
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Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
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| From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Glide ratio of 5 or 6 to 1. That is not much, but I think that it is
about right. My Mark III Classic is a dream to fly, but it does not
glide as well as the PA-11 Cub Special that I use to have. I have
actually soared with the prop stopped in the Cub. I have tried my
Classic, but no luck yet. In a couple months, I will be adding some
Kasper like tips on the bow of the wing. Same Kasper formula (2 chord
thicknesses high and 1/2 chord below). They will be about 3 to 4 feet
long from the aft edge of the aileron forward set at 7 degree in and 30
degrees from the vertical. They will, hopefully, give more dihedral
effect so as to turn better with rudder only, a more progressive stall,
slightly better rate of climb, a slower stall speed and more adverse yaw
for more rudder control in crosswind landings. These types of tips only
slightly reduce the cruise speed because the overall angle of attack
(i.e. induced drag) is reduced due to the added lift of the tips. It
may be a waste of time and some money, but will try it anyway. They are
made of 1/16" lexan with some stiffners here and there. Question: Has
anyone measured the stopped prop glide ratio accurately? It is kind of
hard to do.
By the way, if these tips do work, I will remake them correctly out of
fiberglass so that they will be stiff and have an airfoil on the inside.
Having the airfoil make them much more efficient. Vic in
Sacramento
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
| Subject: | Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Glide ratio: I think that it would be fun to match an Ercoupe and a
Mark III Classic side by side at 1000 feet and let them glide in dead
stick on a wide runway. They only thing for sure is that the Ercoupe
would get there first, but I bet that the touchdown spot would be about
the same.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
>
>Question: Has anyone measured the stopped prop glide ratio accurately?
>It is kind of hard to do.
>
Vic,
On the 144th flight the 447 seized up on climb out at 1,500 feet agl. I was
able to spin the FireFly around and head back and land in a bean field with
the rows. I was about 100 yards from the take off point. I had a little
tail wind and I estimated that the glide ratio came out close to six to
one.
For light wing loading, I believe for the glide ratio is heavily dependent
upon air temp/air density. I try to be consistent on my landing approaches.
I have no trouble getting the FireFly down on hot summer days, but now that
Fall is here and the air is much cooler and less moist, it is much more
difficult to get the FireFly down.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
I had a little
| tail wind and I estimated that the glide ratio came out close to six
to
| one.
|
| Jack B. Hart FF004
Morning Folks:
I have no idea what the glide ratio of my mkIII or any of the other
Kolb aircraft is.
More important may be the ability to judge where the aircraft will
touch down. A simple way to do this is pick a point on the ground and
a point on the windshield. Keeping the aircraft in the same attitude,
if the point on the ground goes up the windshield, you will land
short. If the point on the ground goes down the windshield, you will
land long. If you keep that the point on the windshield and the point
on the ground on top of each other, you will touch down at that point.
Keep the points from seperating using pitch attitude. Of course, this
works power on or off.
That's how I do it, for what it is worth. ;-)
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
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| From: | "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Yes,
You can delete my name from this list too!
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution
>Yet! :-) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:11:45 -0800
>
>
>If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because
>you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
>first PBS-like funds drive message under the new distribution system. The
>new system selectively sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
>that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the
>continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you
>wish PBS worked that way? :-)
>
>You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support
>requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your
>personal email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new
>feature. I've wanted to implement something like this for a number of
>years now, but it was always such a daunting task to modify the back-end
>List processing code, that I just kept putting it off. Finally this year,
>I just decided to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it to make
>it work. A few days later, bam! A working system!
>
>Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one
>of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support
>that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to
>run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade
>Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the
>computer gear running and the air conditioner powered up.
>
>Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers
>such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
>accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I
>can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent
>on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my
>Email List site. I'm pretty sure you don't either.
>
>If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics
>Email Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
>
>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>Thank you!
>
>Matt Dralle
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>
>
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| From: | "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Plaese delete me from this list until further notice.
thanks,
bob brockman
>From: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle(at)msn.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A
>Contribution Yet! :-)
>Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:23:39 -0500
>
>
>Yes,
>You can delete my name from this list too!
>
>
>>From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Kolb-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution
>>Yet! :-) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:11:45 -0800
>>
>>
>>If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because
>>you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
>>first PBS-like funds drive message under the new distribution system. The
>>new system selectively sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
>>that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the
>>continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you
>>wish PBS worked that way? :-)
>>
>>You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support
>>requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your
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| Subject: | Re: New Kolb owner |
Thanks for your reply.
I live in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, but own a lot and have a hangar up at
Hackney Field (ID05) in Athol ID (about 12 nm N of KCOE, Coeur d'Alene
Airport and 1 mile NE of Silverwood theme park). Hackney is a grass strip
about 3500 feet long.
I would definitely like to connect, but I probably won't be making any
cross countries in my Firefly until it warms up in Spring (and I get more
confidence in it). You are welcome to drop by the field any time. If you
can give me some notice I can be up there to give you a tour. With the
colder weather and darkness, I'm generally only up there on weekends now,
Saturday and/or Sunday.
I ordered and received the Lord mounts from TNK and will be putting them
in. The previous owner did have some engine mount dampening, but I am
sure it wasn't as effective as the Lord mounts. He had the 503 raised up
so it will actually drop 1.5 inches or more when I move to the Lord
mounts. That is not a problem for prop clearance to the boom, but if it
goes any lower the wings won't fold so I will have to flip up the gearbox
at the same time. I am hoping I can do this by just removing 4 bolts on
the B-box, and rotating it 180 degrees without a whole bunch of time or
mess involved (leaving the prop on, etc.).
I expect I will be changing to a longer prop before much longer, but I
want to install the Lord mounts, rotate the gearbox, and get it flying
again for some performance testing before I decide for sure. I was going
to go with a 62" 3-bladed ground adjustable ivoprop, but it appears some
folks prefer the 2-bladed. Any comments or recommendations you have on
the subject would be welcome. If you know anyone with a prop for sale,
please let them/me know.
The 4 inches of clearance Ivo recommends is fore-and-aft clearance to
things like the wings and ailerons. This is because at some times the Ivo
will flex forward and back. Of course there is also prop movement up and
down, but this would be caused by the engine moving in it's flexible
mount. Some folks have only 1" clearance between the prop & boom. TNK
recommends 2". I believe 1.5" would be a minimum.
Did you know Powerfin is now in Spokane? I'm not sure when they moved,
but I don't think it was too long ago.
I will also do a weight and balance, but probablly not until next year
after I finish making the changes I need to make (Lord mounts, prop,
moving instruments, etc.)
See ya,
Jim Dunn
cell 509-220-6996
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I live here in Walla Walla WA and fly a Kolb Firestar II. What part of
> N. Idaho do you call home? I am not aware of many Kolb flyers in the area
> and would be happy to meet with you and help in any way I can. You are
> welcome to come by and check mine out if you like to try and answer any
> questions you might have.
>
> My Firestar has a Rotax 447 with the 2.58 to 1 B gearbox upright. I
> believe this is how they are meant to set up. It came with a 66"'x 30p
> Tennessee prop and flew well. I have since changed to a powerfin 62"
> composite two blade prop and gained a smoother and slightly better
> performance.
>
> I believe you will end up changing out the prop on your 503 due to it
> being undersize for your engine. I would seriously consider remounting
> the engine onto Lord mounts to prevent damage to your airframe before
> flying it further. The Lord mounts will also raise the engine about .75"
> which will help with the prop clearance over the tail boom
>
> A larger prop will definitely improve your climb rate over the cut down
> prop you have now.
>
> On mine at least I have about 2.75" of clearance between the propellor
> tips and the aileron tubes. With the IVO's I think the prop needs about
> 3" of clearance due to the blade flexing.
>
> I would also as a precaution do a compression test of your engine and make
> sure it is up to snuff. Starting fluid is BAD NEWS to 2 cycle high
> performance engines. If the engine doesnt start easily you are either
> doing something wrong or the engine is out of adjustment somehow.
>
> Most important is to run fresh fuel through your engine. Old fuel is
> almost as bad as starting fluid.
>
> You should do a weight and balance of the Firefly yourself to verify what
> the paper work is saying. It sounds a wee bit phat but you havent
> mentioned if you have electric starting or how much other stuff is
> actually on the plane. All those little accessories that people add to
> their planes can add lots of weight in a hurry.
>
> I hope this helps out. Feel free to email me if you have any questions or
> maybe want to get together sometime.
>
> Best Regards 8)
> Carlos Grageda
> AKA
> The BaronVonEvil
> grageda(at)innw.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=72982#72982
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | roger anderson <roganderson60(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | UltraStar Value? |
My Dad recently passed away. I need to sell his
UltraStar for my Mom. It was running good and last
flown several months ago. My Dad pruchased it from
the original owner and builder who had maintained it
well through the years. The condition is good and the
BRS chute was rebuilt 2 years ago. Does anyone have
just a ballpark figure as to what is a fair asking
price for it? Thanks. Roger Anderson, Murfreesboro,
TN.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)msbit.net> |
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41)
test
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FIRESTAR II CHECK LISTS |
In preparation to get registered & licensed, can anyone on the list provide
the various check lists required for a Firestar II?
Any help appreciated.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: UltraStar Value? |
| My Dad recently passed away. I need to sell his
| UltraStar for my Mom.
Roger Anderson, Murfreesboro,
| TN.
Hi Gang:
I sent Roger a bc msg reference his Dad. Have not gotten an answer
yet. I asked him if his Dad was Ray Anderson. Had not heard anything
from Ray since about the first of July. At that time he posted a msg
that he was going to sell the Ultrastar because of serious health
problems. There were no later msgs from Ray in the archives.
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
| If you keep that the point on the windshield and the point on the
ground on
| top of each other, you will touch down at that point. >>
|
| Hi John,
| seems to me that if you are landing short and try to keep the spot
on the
| windscreen and the spot on the ground lined up you could end up in a
stall
| and in contrast if you are landing long you could finish up in a
steep dive.
|
| Pat
Hi Pat:
Sorry I confused you. My error.
Hopefully, no one will be dumb enough to hold the spot on the
windshield while stalling or on the other hand, diving into the
ground. I was assuming most folks knew to maintain proper airspeed
while gliding.
Take care, keep up your airspeed, and don't dive into the ground,
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FIRESTAR II CHECK LISTS |
There were some Firestar Check Lists put on the list,go back and get
them. Get the EAA Conversion to ELSP. There were 3 Inspections ports
installed in each wing for the Firestar (91) KXP and a Low point Drain
& filter installed. Get the Instructions from Kolb on doing the Weight &
Balance/ or should be in your builder Books. Its not real hard...My
Inspection went real well for N90485.Contact the person who will do the
inspection & what he expects. In My case I used the EAA guide for
paperwork & check list of steps. Hope that is some help. Jay Carter East
Liverpool Ohio --- If need additional E mail me. Original Message -----
From: HShack(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FIRESTAR II CHECK LISTS
In preparation to get registered & licensed, can anyone on the list
provide the various check lists required for a Firestar II?
Any help appreciated.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Hi Gang:
Sad to report the loss of an old aviator/barn stormer, Ray Anderson.
I asked his son Roger if I could share his email to me with the Kolb
List. He responded that not only himself, but his brother and sister
would be honored to share the words about his father.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
| Hi John,
|
| Thank you so much for the kind words about my dad.
| Yes, I'm his number 1 son. He had experienced
| numerous skin cancers through the years but always
| managed to dodged the bullet somehow. However in
| August one finally developed into a terminal situation
| and began to spread. He died in a Nashville Hospice
| several days ago. But remember, the guy was 88 and
| living aviation and everything else to the fullest
| until just several months ago. Thanks for the Kolb
| info and also again for remembering my dad.
Roger
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: UltraStar Value? |
Friend John,
On 7/13/06 he sent a kolb msg abt value of a Ustar. My dumb server
cut the text, but i do recall selling was due to bad health..think he
was 88.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy(at)comcast.net> |
Roger and Family,
Sorry to hear of your loss, I never met your Father but I am sure he was a
good man as most all the people I have had the pleasure to meet from this
list.
God Bless, Bob D.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Ray Anderson
Hi Gang:
Sad to report the loss of an old aviator/barn stormer, Ray Anderson.
I asked his son Roger if I could share his email to me with the Kolb
List. He responded that not only himself, but his brother and sister
would be honored to share the words about his father.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
| Hi John,
|
| Thank you so much for the kind words about my dad.
| Yes, I'm his number 1 son. He had experienced
| numerous skin cancers through the years but always
| managed to dodged the bullet somehow. However in
| August one finally developed into a terminal situation
| and began to spread. He died in a Nashville Hospice
| several days ago. But remember, the guy was 88 and
| living aviation and everything else to the fullest
| until just several months ago. Thanks for the Kolb
| info and also again for remembering my dad.
Roger
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... |
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info(at)matronics.com " (do not reply to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
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| From: | roger anderson <roganderson60(at)yahoo.com> |
Dear list,
>From myself and family, thank you all for the kind
words and thoughts about my dad, Ray Anderson. You
are a wonderful group of people. And, thanks for the
info reference Kolb pricing. I'll follow your good
advice.
Sincerely,
Roger Anderson
http://new.mail.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
| From: | "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com> |
> Boeing 737 has a fairly good glide ratio
There used to be a 'rule of thumb' for the 737 so called 'Double Hush' approach;
Range; Twice your Altitude
Time; Half your Altitude
So, from 30,000 ft; Range about 60 nm, Time about 15 minutes.
That gives a glide ratio of about 12:1, but, like you say, not exactly the best
type for an off airport landing !!!
In my current Turbo Prop type, weight and therefore inertia makes a considerable
difference in the profile (at idle thrust) with a lightly loaded aircraft going
down considerable faster than if your heavy.
FYI :-)
David
Do not Archieve.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73377#73377
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| From: | Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net> |
| Subject: | [Fwd: Sale Kolb SlingShot] |
My friend Luray asked me to post his SlingShot for sale to the list. It
is a very well built and maintained aircraft, but he wants to pursue
another form of flight. It's located at Smoketown Airport in Lancaster
County, PA. Great buy for someone interested in a pocket rocket!
Terry - FireFly #95
>
FOR SALE: KOLB SLINGSHOT airframe only. 247hrs.
Some of the items included:
1) BRS 900 chute
2) Dual caliber hydra. Brake system, two calibers/ wheel
One set heel operated
Other set operated from control stick
3) Large 800x6 tires
4) Six inch full swivel tail wheel, mounted on 11/4 spring steel
5) Ten gal. Fuel capacity / with six gal back seat aux tank
6) Electric elevator trim
7) Replacement fiberglass seat for one person flying, plus
standard seating for two persons.
And more. Very nice flying and looking A/C. pictures available.
Asking $12,300.00
Contact me at Home phone # 717-569-4648 (Lancaster,Pa.)
Cell phone # 717-330-2824
Email Luweac(at)AOL.COM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)hughesnet.com> |
Hi Gang,
I lost my user name and password a while back and just got back on the list. Thanks
Matt. Ms. Dixie is coming along. I got the wings and fuselage covered and
ready for silver. You can some recent photos @
http://groups.msn.com/AerialWorld/kolbra012.msnw?Page=1
Take care
Paul Petty
Kolbra 012
912 warp
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73392#73392
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Mattson <littlegrandhome(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Looking for a Kolbra or Slingshot |
My name is Richie Mattson and I live in Duluth MN. I tested out a Kolbra recently
and really enjoyed it's flight characteristics. I am interested in finding
one for sale in the mid 20's with a 912 or one for less with a 2-stroke that
I could replace. If you know of one for sale or someone who is considering selling,
please give them my number.
Also, I have seen some postings regarding the Slingshot. Could someone fill
me in on the differences between these two models. Maybe the Slingshot would
work for me as well. I see that there is one for sale in PA. I hope to find a
plane and have it ready for winter ski flying by the time snow flies. Also,
I would really like to take it to Sun n Fun this April. I really enjoyed my trip
to Oshkosh the last 2 years in My Aerolite 103 but need to upgrade for longer
trips.
I have been reading the list for a few weeks now and like the hutspa of the members
and their zest for life. I hope I can make this happen so I can meet some
of you at the fly-ins around the country. The wife has already resigned herself
to the fact that I have found a new adventure to pursue so at least the
main hurdle is cleared. Now it's down to finding and/or building the right plane.
Let me know if you locate one. Thanks for the help.
P.S. Hi to John H. It was great talking with you at Oshkosh last summer. Thanks
for turning me on to the Kolb.
Richie Mattson
Duluth, MN Firefighter
218-729-7741
littlegrandhome(at)yahoo.com
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Sale Kolb SlingShot] |
Terry,
WHAT?
Thats a shocker.
What form of flight is Luray planning on pursuing?
Anyone looking for a SWEET Slingshot needs to look into this one.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry" <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: [Fwd: Sale Kolb SlingShot]
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> One set heel operated
> Other set operated from control stick
> 3) Large 800x6 tires
> 4) Six inch full swivel tail wheel, mounted on 11/4 spring steel
> 5) Ten gal. Fuel capacity / with six gal back seat aux tank
> 6) Electric elevator trim
> 7) Replacement fiberglass seat for one person flying, plus
> standard seating for two persons.
> And more. Very nice flying and looking A/C. pictures available.
> Asking $12,300.00
> Contact me at Home phone # 717-569-4648 (Lancaster,Pa.)
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> Email Luweac(at)AOL.COM
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Kolbra or Slingshot |
Richie,
The Slingshot is built just like the Kobra only with a shorter wing,
tail boom and smaller back seat with no dual controls.
Its back seat is a small jump seat like a Firestar II.
It is the fasted Kolb model, and John H could fill you in on its
handling manners.
Lurays bird that is one of the finest examples of the model you will
find.
Denny Rowe, MK-3, PA
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Mattson
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Looking for a Kolbra or Slingshot
My name is Richie Mattson and I live in Duluth MN. I tested out a
Kolbra recently and really enjoyed it's flight characteristics. I am
interested in finding one for sale in the mid 20's with a 912 or one for
less with a 2-stroke that I could replace. If you know of one for sale
or someone who is considering selling, please give them my number.
Also, I have seen some postings regarding the Slingshot. Could
someone fill me in on the differences between these two models. Maybe
the Slingshot would work for me as well. I see that there is one for
sale in PA. I hope to find a plane and have it ready for winter ski
flying by the time snow flies. Also, I would really like to take it to
Sun n Fun this April. I really enjoyed my trip to Oshkosh the last 2
years in My Aerolite 103 but need to upgrade for longer trips.
I have been reading the list for a few weeks now and like the hutspa
of the members and their zest for life. I hope I can make this happen
so I can meet some of you at the fly-ins around the country. The wife
has already resigned herself to the fact that I have found a new
adventure to pursue so at least the main hurdle is cleared. Now it's
down to finding and/or building the right plane. Let me know if you
locate one. Thanks for the help.
P.S. Hi to John H. It was great talking with you at Oshkosh last
summer. Thanks for turning me on to the Kolb.
Richie Mattson
Duluth, MN Firefighter
218-729-7741
littlegrandhome(at)yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Glide ratio = Lift/Drag
Glide ratio at best glide speed is (Lift/Drag)max, or L/D max.
Kolbs (and all ultralights) have fairly high drag for their size. The amount of
lift will be = to the weight, which for an UL is not much while flying (500
to 800# gross weight).
Thus we have a (small number)/(big number), which yields a small number, i.e.,
poor glide ratio.
Jets have a good glide ratio because they are very low drag (no struts, small thin
asymmetrical wing, retractible gear, etc.) and high lift. They are high lift
because they fly fast and lift goes up as the square of speed. Best glide
on the A4 Skyhawk is 320 Knots. You have a great L/D max, but your rate of descent
is 2000 fpm with the gear up. Put the gear down, drop the flaps, and the
ROD would probably drop to 6000 fpm.
--------
Jim
N. Idaho
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73520#73520
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ELSA inspection |
If I ever recover my FSII, I will do that, as for now I trust my building
skills and will leave things as they are. >
No need to wait till then if you want an inspection panel. They can be
bought at any aero store. Just stick the ring on, cut out the inside of the
ring with a sharply pointed knife and slip the tin cap on.
The cap has a short piece of tin across its diameter which is pinned to the
caps centre. It is slightly bowed so that the ends slide inside the fabric
on both sides. The tin cap itself will `spam can` as it is made with a
slight curvature.To open press the middle and it will `pop` . To close press
the edges and it wil `pop` the other way and hold the the whole thing tight.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: carburetor ice question |
>Has anyone had carburetor ice problems running a 503 rotax? >>
I was once flying a powered parachute, at dusk, temperature about 68
degrees, and humidity so high that fog was starting to form. 503 engine
suddenly coughed and died. Couldn't be restarted. I landed unpowered in
the nearest hayfield. No problem. Tried to restart the engine shortly
after landing. Started just fine. Figured I must have had a seizure, so I
opened the engine up. No sign of a seizure anywhere. Figured it must have
been carb ice (most likely explanation).
I solved the problem by buying an electric carb heater (Cyclone) It was an
electrically heated ring of metal that fit around the throat of the carb
air intake, and warmed the metal enough to prevent ice crystals from
sticking. Ran off the 503 electrical output. Never had an another engine
failure. Very nice gadget.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "John Murr" <jdm(at)wideworld.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Kolbra or Slingshot |
I hanger next to the Slingshot in PA. The plane is in pristine
condition. The builder/flyer is very meticulous. I know you are in the
Midwest, but you won't be disappointed if you would take the time to see
this plane.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Mattson
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Looking for a Kolbra or Slingshot
My name is Richie Mattson and I live in Duluth MN. I tested out a
Kolbra recently and really enjoyed it's flight characteristics. I am
interested in finding one for sale in the mid 20's with a 912 or one for
less with a 2-stroke that I could replace. If you know of one for sale
or someone who is considering selling, please give them my number.
Also, I have seen some postings regarding the Slingshot. Could
someone fill me in on the differences between these two models. Maybe
the Slingshot would work for me as well. I see that there is one for
sale in PA. I hope to find a plane and have it ready for winter ski
flying by the time snow flies. Also, I would really like to take it to
Sun n Fun this April. I really enjoyed my trip to Oshkosh the last 2
years in My Aerolite 103 but need to upgrade for longer trips.
I have been reading the list for a few weeks now and like the hutspa
of the members and their zest for life. I hope I can make this happen
so I can meet some of you at the fly-ins around the country. The wife
has already resigned herself to the fact that I have found a new
adventure to pursue so at least the main hurdle is cleared. Now it's
down to finding and/or building the right plane. Let me know if you
locate one. Thanks for the help.
P.S. Hi to John H. It was great talking with you at Oshkosh last
summer. Thanks for turning me on to the Kolb.
Richie Mattson
Duluth, MN Firefighter
218-729-7741
littlegrandhome(at)yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: UltraStar Value? |
| From: | "John Jung" <jrjungjr(at)yahoo.com> |
This is just my opinion, from being a Kolb owner for 10 years and wanting and
pricing Kolbs for years before that.
$4,000 to $5,000 is a fair price for the Ultrastar. It could be worth more if it
was a show plane and less it it had any problems. But based on the photos, it
seems to be in good condition, and I based the price on that.
--------
John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73592#73592
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| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Sorry, I didn't mean to send that to the group!!
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| From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Here is a technical question. I love my Mark III Classic. BUT, it is
noisy. I use a Geo Metro engine which is great, but still noisy. I
have heard that if one cuts a slot in the after part of the exhaust, it
will be quieter. I now get 270 lbs of thrust at 5000 ft density
altitude which is about 325 lbs at sea level. I will be trying this
slot soon along with a thrust test to see if there is a difference in
noise and in thrust. Has anyone ever tried this on a four cycle engine?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
My experience in sailplanes is limited. The Grob 103 is slick and easy
to fly and stays up with a real good glide ratio. The Schwitzer 2-33 is
a dog, but fun to fly. The most fun and easiest to fly was a PW-3 which
has a glide ratio about in the middle of the Grob and the dog.. But,
all of them required some altutude to operate in and so the beauty of
low level flight is lost. I love my Kolb except for the noise. I am
thinking of building a flying trailer and putting the engine back there.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
If you can access Tony Bingelis' book Firewall Forward, it has some good
ideas in it. It is too late right now, I will email you some scans off list
tomorrow.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: <APilot(at)webtv.net>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Here is a technical question. I love my Mark III Classic. BUT, it is
> noisy. I use a Geo Metro engine which is great, but still noisy. I
> have heard that if one cuts a slot in the after part of the exhaust, it
> will be quieter. I now get 270 lbs of thrust at 5000 ft density
> altitude which is about 325 lbs at sea level. I will be trying this
> slot soon along with a thrust test to see if there is a difference in
> noise and in thrust. Has anyone ever tried this on a four cycle engine?
>
>
>
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| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
I put some Dynamat Extreem sound barrier on the fuse between the ailieron
push pull tubes. Worked well. Another option I tested is to hang it from the
lexan piece that sits behind you. I can send photos if you like contact me
off list.
>From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED)
>Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:48:13 -0500
>
>
>If you can access Tony Bingelis' book Firewall Forward, it has some good
>ideas in it. It is too late right now, I will email you some scans off list
>tomorrow.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: <APilot(at)webtv.net>
>To:
>Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
>
>>
>>Here is a technical question. I love my Mark III Classic. BUT, it is
>>noisy. I use a Geo Metro engine which is great, but still noisy. I
>>have heard that if one cuts a slot in the after part of the exhaust, it
>>will be quieter. I now get 270 lbs of thrust at 5000 ft density
>>altitude which is about 325 lbs at sea level. I will be trying this
>>slot soon along with a thrust test to see if there is a difference in
>>noise and in thrust. Has anyone ever tried this on a four cycle engine?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
Just food for thought... Are you sure that all that noise is exhaust noise.
My direct drive VW made enough noise to wake the dead so I added a muffler
and a nice four into one exhaust system where I had four separate unmuffled
pipes. It made no difference. When I switched to a redrive the noise got
MUCH better. Then I got wondering about the muffler so I pulled it off. The
noise stayed the same and the power went up. My conclusion was that the
noise was prop noise.
When I reworked my motor mount to lower the engine the noise came back big
time! Now I think the noise is from vibrations that aren't being dampened as
well by the new mount. The new mount uses Lycoming bushings as vibration
dampeners and they don't work as well as the Lord dampeners that Kolb
supplied. I'm tuning the bushings and looking for softer ones.
So from my experience I would suggest you look at reducing vibrations being
transferred to the airframe and look into sound deadening. David Key has a
suggestion and a product that might help both of us. Dave would you share
your photos with all of us?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: <APilot(at)webtv.net>
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED)
>
> Here is a technical question. I love my Mark III Classic. BUT, it is
> noisy. I use a Geo Metro engine which is great, but still noisy. I
> have heard that if one cuts a slot in the after part of the exhaust, it
> will be quieter. I now get 270 lbs of thrust at 5000 ft density
> altitude which is about 325 lbs at sea level. I will be trying this
> slot soon along with a thrust test to see if there is a difference in
> noise and in thrust. Has anyone ever tried this on a four cycle engine?
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Wolf <cwolf41(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Sale Kolb SlingShot] |
>Believe it or not, Luray wants to go to a powered chute. Talk about a
>180 from where he is now! I can't quite believe it myself, especially
>knowing how much care and pride he put in to building the SlingShot.
>Different strokes for different folks!
>
>Terry - FireFly #95
Don't worry about it. I'm switching from a powered parachute to a Kolb, so
the Universe will stay in balance. ;-)
PPCs have their points. I flew one for five years. But I'm ready for
something with a little more range, speed, and wind resistance.
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
First the sound proff(SP) stuff is heavy-thick rubber like.
I bought the stuff and folded it over once, put in in my sling seat taped it
over my head. Took off and flew for 10 minutes, then reached back and pulled
the stuff off and there was a big diffrence!!
I put it on the back and put it on my lexan thing.
I'm sure the prop noise was a major factor, so I covered the gap in the back
it was open before. That hole in the back was acting like a giant megaphone
through the cockpit. I was most impressed most by the pieces hung off the
lexan. It works great. It puts the SP right behind my head and goes down to
my mid sholders. It folds against the sides and really works well. I have to
pieces of SP stuck together and the lexan is in the middle. I can really
notice the diffrence and I think the tower can too.
I won't win best looking plane at the next flyin but I'll be able to hear
who does.
(EMail me for pics.)
I got it on Ebay searh for "Dynamat Xtreme Extreme BULK"
I got one 32"x18" Sheet 4 SQ FT, one sheet is all you need.
It costs me $14 plus shipping, all you need is one sheet.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ELSA inspection |
Just curious, what would I look at in my MkIII wing if I did have an
inspection port?>>
Good question. But when you decide what you want to look at then you can put
an inspection panel right there. I think that if I was worried about bees
nesting or hiving or whatever in the wing I would shake it EVERY flight.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
I fly the best looking plane there is, a Kolb mkIII.>>
Oh John, sorry that I can`t support you on this. The Kolb is many things
but beauty ain`t one of them. Pretty in their super paint jobs? Sure.
Useful in their flying performances? Yep. Reliable? Pretty much. But then
the question wss about beauty not performance and usefulness.
There is nothing more beautiful in the air than a modern high performance
sailplane. The smooth, airodynamic fuselage. The long thin, gently
undulating wing. Even the not so modern designs have a grace and clarity of
line that no Kolb can match. A glider seen, not from the ground but from
another glider is one of the most beautiful sights the eye can behold.
I can remember the time that I would have poured scorn on any flying machine
with an engine. I have mellowed in my old age and I wouldn`t swap my Kolb
for a sailplane now, but I still haven`t changed my mind about the sheer
simple, classic, unsurpassable, beauty of a sailplane.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "David Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
>
> Looking for ideas for an early Firestar large fuel tank... I have a 6
> gal. tank mounted forward of the engine (above the engine/wing mount tube)
> and I'd like to have another 10-12 gals. for the rare occasions that I'm a
> long way from a station... The area of the cage where the original tank
> resided is not shaped to install over-the-counter tanks, other than a 5-6
> gal.container...
>
Thanx...
DVD
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Glide Ratio (UNCLASSIFIED) |
Pat I'm with you on that one !!!!!!!!Chris Davis
I fly the best looking plane there is, a Kolb mkIII.>>
Oh John, sorry that I can`t support you on this. The Kolb is many things
but beauty ain`t one of them. Pretty in their super paint jobs? Sure.
Useful in their flying performances? Yep. Reliable? Pretty much. But then
the question wss about beauty not performance and usefulness.
There is nothing more beautiful in the air than a modern high performance
sailplane. The smooth, airodynamic fuselage. The long thin, gently
undulating wing. Even the not so modern designs have a grace and clarity of
line that no Kolb can match. A glider seen, not from the ground but from
another glider is one of the most beautiful sights the eye can behold.
I can remember the time that I would have poured scorn on any flying machine
with an engine. I have mellowed in my old age and I wouldn`t swap my Kolb
for a sailplane now, but I still haven`t changed my mind about the sheer
simple, classic, unsurpassable, beauty of a sailplane.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Fall Color From a Kolb |
| From: | "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)comcast.net> |
This is as good as the color gets in my part of Texas.
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73917#73917
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| From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
| Subject: | Re: ELSA inspection |
Inspection plates. I looked at an uncovered Kolb wing and made a note of
where I would like to see after covering. I now have about 10
inspection plates. So far, everything looks the same. Still a little
shaking is a good idea as part of a preflight.
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| From: | "David Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
Where's the mountains?... ;-)
Nice picture, can't beat a Kolb for a camera platform...
DVD
On 11/12/06, John Williamson wrote:
>
> kolbrapilot1(at)comcast.net>
>
> This is as good as the color gets in my part of Texas.
>
> --------
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolbra, 912ULS
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II HKS Conversion |
| From: | "Dave Bigelow" <up_country(at)hotmail.com> |
I have the HKS mounted on the Firestar, and am working on hooking things up. The
ignition modules and coils are mounted on the aircraft frame (not on the engine).
There is also an oil tank and oil radiator to mount.
The engine is beautifully engineered and looks right sitting there on the Firestar.
The final gearbox will be the 2.58:1 B Box mounted down. The A Box (mounted
up) in the pictures will be replaced. The thrust line is too high with that
setup. I plan on using the same 66 inch two blade Powerfin prop that I used
with the Rotax 503. Looks like the fuselage boom clearance will be about one
inch.
The engine had to be mounted forward enough so the exhaust manifold pipes clear
the aileron torque tubes and control horn when folding and unfolding the wings.
This will require a prop spacer to give adequate prop clearance from the aileron
torque tubes when flying.
Jerry Olenik from Green Sky Aviation has been working closely with me throughout
this project. He plans on offering a mounting kit for the Firestar after we
finalize the installation and do the test flights.
I'm hoping to test fly it shortly after the first of the year.
--------
Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, HKS 700E
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
| From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Arty,
The Kolb will get to picture altitude sooner! Here are a couple of fall pics and
one of you and your flamed-out drifter. One picture is of the Rogue River
just downstream from my place, the other is from my trip to France two weeks ago.
Cool flame job!
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=73997#73997
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
| From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Let me try again with the pics.
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74000#74000
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| From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank... |
David, Have you considered a composite tank built to fit exactly where you
want?
Rick
On 11/12/06, David Lehman wrote:
>
> Looking for ideas for an early Firestar large fuel tank... I have a 6
> > gal. tank mounted forward of the engine (above the engine/wing mount tube)
> > and I'd like to have another 10-12 gals. for the rare occasions that I'm a
> > long way from a station... The area of the cage where the original tank
> > resided is not shaped to install over-the-counter tanks, other than a 5-6
> > gal.container...
> >
>
>
> Thanx...
>
> DVD
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ELSA inspection |
The two main things I would recommend looking for inside the wing would be
signs of corrosion and "smoking" or otherwise failing rivets.
Rick
On 11/12/06, APilot(at)webtv.net wrote:
>
>
> Inspection plates. I looked at an uncovered Kolb wing and made a note of
> where I would like to see after covering. I now have about 10
> inspection plates. So far, everything looks the same. Still a little
> shaking is a good idea as part of a preflight.
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | ELSA inspection/Wing Inspections |
| The two main things I would recommend looking for inside the wing
would be
| signs of corrosion and "smoking" or otherwise failing rivets.
|
| Rick
Rick:
Primarily, I would look for broken 5/16" tube braces on the leading
edge of the wing. These lateral braces keep the main rib noses in
column. If they shift, they will fail. The inboard rib nose braces
are fabric braces, not leading edge braces. The bowtip is not a
leading edge brace.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fall Color From a Kolb |
Arty,
I would like to see some pictures you have taken from you drifter.
In a message dated 11/12/2006 6:40:12 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com writes:
John's pics are great, and I'm probably going to get
hounded off the list - (I know I'm here on sufferance
since I don't fly a Kolb) - but I have to correct the
statement "can't beat a Kolb for a camera platform."
Take a look at the Maxair Drifter and the Air Cam.
There's a reason they are the "camera platforms" of
choice for National Geographic photographers -
unlimited visibility for 180=B0 around you and nothing
whatsoever above you. Take off the nosepod and there's
not much in front or below you either!! :>)
An unabashed Drifter fan -
Arty Trost
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank... |
What's the max size you can handle (LxWxH) - a Challenger 10 gal tank
might work?
jerb
At 12:04 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:
>Looking for ideas for an early Firestar large fuel tank... I have a
>6 gal. tank mounted forward of the engine (above the engine/wing
>mount tube) and I'd like to have another 10-12 gals. for the rare
>occasions that I'm a long way from a station... The area of the
>cage where the original tank resided is not shaped to install
>over-the-counter tanks, other than a 5-6 gal.container...
>
>
>Thanx...
>
>DVD
>
>
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Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*! How cool
is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution
matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is how
it works.)
Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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October 07, 2006 - November 13, 2006
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