Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-gm
January 23, 2007 - February 10, 2007
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Subject: | Re: Mark-II for Sale |
Actally I'm interested in a firestar 2 ...
Not ready to write the check yet...
Must wake up my Private Ticket first....
Just trying to learn what I can before hand..
Thanks
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil
Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 4:45 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark-II for Sale
Kolb Friends -
An acquaintance of mine has a Kolb Twinstar Mark-II for sale. I offered
to post details on this List, as he is not a List member. Our newest
List member, Mark Vaughn, is looking for a "Kolb II." Could this be the
one?
Dennis Kirby
$8500 (it has no engine)
Completely reworked 2 years ago, everything new.
Fully enclosed, custom fiberglass nosecone (more pointed than stock)
Full span ailerons, (no flaps - it's a Mark-II).
Electric trim, strobe, dual controls, nice seats & interior.
Ad & pictures are listed in Barnstormers.
Owner: Duane Brooks, Stapleton GA, (706)547-6900.
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Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
hey pat if you have the time, as I know you will have the urge,as a glider
pilot, to go to La Jolla, just north of San Diego and go to the top of the
cliff overlooking the Pacific ocean just over "Black beach". You will be
amazed.... if it hasn't fallen into the ocean yet. To anyone who appreciates
challenging mother nature ... successfully, that is, the soaring done there is
phenomenal.... if it is still going on, does anyone know?
George Randolph
Firestar driver from the Villages in Fl
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From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
I was there in Feb 2005 & they were Flying then! Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
hey pat if you have the time, as I know you will have the urge,as a
glider pilot, to go to La Jolla, just north of San Diego and go to the
top of the cliff overlooking the Pacific ocean just over "Black beach".
You will be amazed.... if it hasn't fallen into the ocean yet. To anyone
who appreciates challenging mother nature ... successfully, that is, the
soaring done there is phenomenal.... if it is still going on, does
anyone know?
George Randolph
Firestar driver from the Villages in Fl
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From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
At 11:50 AM 1/23/2007, you wrote:
>
>I'm sticking with they drop like a rock and that's where I'll look
>for my fields, you do whatever works for you. ;-)
Maybe a rock with "wings"?
Get to post my tired old video again!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9177096133625180462&hl=en
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: 447 torque values |
| Guys, I'm looking for bolt torque specs for the crankcase bolts
for the new style 447.
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| Scott Olendorf
Scott:
Should be able to find what you are looking for here:
http://www.kodiakbs.com/tiintro.htm
john h
mkIII
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From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
Re: soaring the T-craft. I too, use to try and soar my PA-11 Cub
Special. I was successful only once, but it was a fun time. I had no
electric start so I had to have a least 1500 feet to get the engine
fired up again. Nice airplane. Wish that I still had it. But, my Mark
III Classic is lots of fun too. With my newly designed wing tips and my
sensitive variometer, I hope to soar it this summer. At least I will
have the luxury of being able to re-start my G10 engine without diving
the Bee-Jesus out of it.
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From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
I would think any Kolb will side slip safely. My Mark III does nicely.
The downwind situation is true, but it is less of a problem when one
lets the plane drift to the downwind side on climb out, just in case a
180 is necessary. If there is a crosswind, then the turn will be less
than 180. Also, as one rolls out the potential stall the use of flaps
will help, if the airplane has flaps. I know of some who have tried the
180 turn back to the runway and are now history. Sad but true.
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From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
Re: Hang gliding......great sport and a wonderful way to fly. I love
it.
Vic in Sacramento (Hang III)
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From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
I had most of my training and have done most of my flying in a C-172, and,
as I recall, they're fine in slips - but not with flaps. I believe the
flaps change the airflow characteristics to where you can stall the tail
while slipping at low speeds. On short final, that's not a thing you need
real bad. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <knowvne(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FLAME OUTS
>
> Hi Ellery
> Do you know if it's an approved manuver for the firestar ?
>
> I use to slip in a flight schools 172 till I learned it wasn't rated for
> it...... 8-/
>
> Mark Vaughn
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Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
In a message dated 1/23/2007 8:46:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net writes:
I was there in Feb 2005 & they were Flying then! Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: _GeoR38(at)aol.com_ (mailto:GeoR38(at)aol.com)
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident
hey pat if you have the time, as I know you will have the urge,as a glider
pilot, to go to La Jolla, just north of San Diego and go to the top of the
cliff overlooking the Pacific ocean just over "Black beach". You will be
amazed.... if it hasn't fallen into the ocean yet. To anyone who appreciates
challenging mother nature ... successfully, that is, the soaring done there is
phenomenal.... if it is still going on, does anyone know?
Good Jim, I was sooooo impressed that I consider the place a national
treasure......but .......sadly.......I guess I'm the only one. Some of those
hang
gliders would ride the wave seemingly all the way down to La Jolla and back
without dropping a drop of petrol. Even the RC gliders would go a long ways as
well....and everything would come back and rise up to the lip of the cliff
and land right next to you. I merely say wow.
George Randolph
Firestar driver.......er...at least will be soon again
The Villages Fl
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That might very well have been my situation... I was a new pilot at the
time with less than a 100 hr....
This was 20 yrs ago so my story could be off a bit..
thanks for that FYI...
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: biglar(at)gogittum.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FLAME OUTS
I had most of my training and have done most of my flying in a C-172,
and, as I recall, they're fine in slips - but not with flaps. I believe
the flaps change the airflow characteristics to where you can stall the
tail while slipping at low speeds. On short final, that's not a thing
you need real bad. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message ----- From: <knowvne(at)aol.com>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FLAME OUTS
>
> Hi Ellery
> Do you know if it's an approved manuver for the firestar ?
>
> I use to slip in a flight schools 172 till I learned it wasn't rated
for > it...... 8-/
>
> Mark Vaughn
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From: | "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us> |
I certainly do not claim to be an "expert" nor do I "claim" to have had
at
least 10 engines out - it's a fact Jack!
All I'm saying is that a Kolb does not "drop like a rock" - which is
straight down! Many on the Kolb list have experienced engine failure and
have "glided" to a safe landing. Some have not but even those did not
"drop
like a rock". I just don't want to scare people who think that when an
engine quits on any plane it "drops out of the sky". Always have a good
landing site picked out no matter what you fly.
Peace and good flying.
Jim
OK..."drops like a rock" is a commonly used exaggeration that means
"doesn't glide exceedingly well" not "instantly falls from sky"...that
being said, here is the best advice you'll get on the subject. "Know
thine OWN best glide speed (and stall speed, and ...etc.)" Those who
take the time and do a few tests with the engine at idle will know the
worst case for their aircraft. Some like to debate it but having tested
3 different planes both engine idle and engine off, they all glided
better engine off. So if you get a good idea of how far you can glide
engine idle, if the dreaded forced landing ever becomes a reality,
you'll get at least as good a glide rate as when you practiced engine
idle...
And worth what you paid for it...
Jeremy Casey
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Subject: | Re: 447 torque values |
From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
Great!
I looked there but didn't notice in the PARTS CATALOG it shows the torque values.
I probably skipped by it because it's all in German or Austrian, if there
is a difference. The pictures and part #s I can read though. :D
I'll be getting this back in the air really soon now.
Thanks much.
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Should be able to find what you are looking for here:
http://www.kodiakbs.com/tiintro.htm
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89947#89947
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 07:41 PM 1/23/2007, APilot(at)webtv.net wrote:
>
>...I had no
>electric start so I had to have a least 1500 feet to get the engine
>fired up again...At least I will
>have the luxury of being able to re-start my G10 engine without diving
>the Bee-Jesus out of it.
Yeah, same in the T-Craf, IIRC the prop would start spinning again just
below Vne... I suspect my US will take more than Vne to turn over a
2-stroke with reduction drive... not sure if I can pull start it from the seat.
-Dana
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But if we LEGALIZE it, we can't take your HOUSE!
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 08:31 PM 1/23/2007, knowvne(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>I use to slip in a flight schools 172 till I learned it wasn't rated for
>it...... 8-/
You can slip a 172, there's just not that much point to it because the
rudder isn't all that effective. As I recall, the manual said "avoid slips
with flaps extended" because it blanked the tail somewhat... not bad, but
there would be a bit of buffeting.
I would have expected that slips in a Kolb would be less useful than other
aircraft, since there's not much fuselage side area to offer drag. At
least there's no dihedral; in the Quicksilver MX you *can't* slip it
because there's so much dihedral that a tiny bit of rudder has more roll
authority than full aileron. The T-Craft, OTOH, you could stand it up on a
wingtip and drop like a ROCK.
-Dana
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From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident |
In a message dated 1/23/2007 5:06:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
GeoR38(at)aol.com writes:
if it is still going on, does anyone know?
George Randolph
George,
I was at the Torry Pines Rec area in June of 2006 and they had the para
gliders running off the cliff and soaring as long as they cared to,then landing
back where they took off. I think that is near Blacks Beach.
Ed Diebel
Do Not Archieve
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From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
I think 8 to 1 glide is about right for mine at 50 mph.
20 mph over stall. Not so good with floats through.
At least "lotus floats" I'm sure Steve's are better.
But you can still gettum out of the trees with out too much damage.
"The last Possum" ..........except for John H. of course.
Greg finally sold his plane last weekend.
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From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
At 09:41 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote:
>
>>...I had no
>>electric start so I had to have a least 1500 feet to get the engine
>>fired up again...At least I will
>>have the luxury of being able to re-start my G10 engine without diving
>>the Bee-Jesus out of it.
I'd bet you couldn't get a Kolb to re-start, even diving the
"Bee-Jesus" out of it ....at least a 2-Stroke.
E-Gear Boxes are nice to have if you want to play around
and are not comfortable taking it all the way to the ground.
I think it's great to just turn the switch off at say ... 8,000 ft. and
see how long you can keep it floating till you want to
restart or just land. It always bumps up my heart rate when
I turn the key off. No matter how many times I've done it before!
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From: | Scott Perkins <2scott(at)bellsouth.net> |
Jim sent some photos of his plane in the snow that are simply incredible
(which I have uploaded to the Ultrastar Photo archives)
use the below link to Kolb Ultrastar photos and scroll down to Jim's
"SnowStar" photos. You wont be sorry ! Just amazing !
Thanks for sharing Jim
PS. if someone wants to take all these pics and turn into a thumbnail
photo
gallery, be my guest...
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Subject: [KolbUltrastar] COLD
From: "JIm" <belvidereill(at)yahoo.com>
Hi guys.
Jim here
I did my first ski landings today It was 18 deg but it was worth it not
much snow 3 inches but a great experence and awesome flying i guess im
im a flying nut lol
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KOLB ULTRASTAR Photos Link
http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Ultrastar/
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KOLB FLYER photos Link
http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Flyer/
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From: | "tc1917" <tc1917(at)hughes.net> |
Subject: | Re: sports pilot |
To Larry Cottrell. You aint done yet. you dont have a tail wheel
endorsement!! now you gotta go back to an instructor, take lessons on how
to drag your butt around on a tail wheel and then have him endorse your logs
and then go find another one who is qualified to test you and get HIS
endorsement and then it is done. thats all there is to it. gads. they
sure have made it easy for us, right. I took my check ride in a tail
dragger and it is in my log so I am covered automatically. it doesn really
say that in the rules (at least I cant find it) but it says you must furnish
a ride that is what you want your license for. something like that. not
the same words. my log says kolb slingshot and that should cover me.
anybody have a different reading of this? ted cowan, alabama
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From: | "ron wehba" <rwehba(at)cebridge.net> |
Subject: | Re: Kolb SnowStar |
ok jim. now you done went and done it, you went and took my old plain plane
and turned it into a career distroying machine, cause I don't know how you
can stay out of it and go make a living."" GRINS" ronnie w in tx. the old
owner of jims machine
p.s. super great job jim,,, wish they would build these again.,cause I sure
miss it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Perkins" <2scott(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:21 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb SnowStar
>
> Jim sent some photos of his plane in the snow that are simply incredible
> (which I have uploaded to the Ultrastar Photo archives)
>
> use the below link to Kolb Ultrastar photos and scroll down to Jim's
> "SnowStar" photos. You wont be sorry ! Just amazing !
> Thanks for sharing Jim
>
> PS. if someone wants to take all these pics and turn into a thumbnail
> photo
> gallery, be my guest...
>
> /////////////////////////////////////////////
> Subject: [KolbUltrastar] COLD
> From: "JIm" <belvidereill(at)yahoo.com>
>
> Hi guys.
> Jim here
>
> I did my first ski landings today It was 18 deg but it was worth it not
> much snow 3 inches but a great experence and awesome flying i guess im
> im a flying nut lol
> -----------------------
> KOLB ULTRASTAR Photos Link
> http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Ultrastar/
> .
> KOLB FLYER photos Link
> http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Flyer/
>
>
>
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From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
>
>I sold my Quicksilver MX in Aug 2006 to buy a Kolb Firefly (which I got in
>October). I expected the Firefly to glide better, but it's actually
>worse.
Jim
The MX should glide better as it has more wing area. 156 to 117 square feet.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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In a message dated 1/23/2007 10:18:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
possums(at)bellsouth.net writes:
I think 8 to 1 glide is about right for mine at 50 mph.
20 mph over stall. Not so good with floats through.
At least "lotus floats" I'm sure Steve's are better.
But you can still gettum out of the trees with out too much damage.
"The last Possum" ..........except for John H. of course.
Greg finally sold his plane last weekend.
Possum, just guessed at 8 to 1. It is probably less but it does not really
matter cause in my area around Winter Haven it is mostly water down below. I
just hold enough altitude between lakes. I see the ability to do a steep
approach as an asset.
steve
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: sports pilot |
Ted, WIth my private ticket, it was a log book endorsement only, just like
high performance aircraft, complex aircraft, or operating in Class Bravo
airspace. There was no check ride.
Rick
On 1/24/07, tc1917 wrote:
>
>
> To Larry Cottrell. You aint done yet. you dont have a tail wheel
> endorsement!! now you gotta go back to an instructor, take lessons on how
> to drag your butt around on a tail wheel and then have him endorse your
> logs
> and then go find another one who is qualified to test you and get HIS
> endorsement and then it is done. thats all there is to it. gads. they
> sure have made it easy for us, right. I took my check ride in a tail
> dragger and it is in my log so I am covered automatically. it doesn
> really
> say that in the rules (at least I cant find it) but it says you must
> furnish
> a ride that is what you want your license for. something like that. not
> the same words. my log says kolb slingshot and that should cover me.
> anybody have a different reading of this? ted cowan, alabama
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Kolbers,
My retired airforce brother-in-law sent this one to me.
http://jet-man.com/playervideo.swf?video=jetman2007.flv
Jack B. Hart FF004
Wichester, IN
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Got out the 172 manuals just out of curiosity. For the N and P models in
chapter 2, "Limitations", under Placards, Cessna tells you that a placard
must be near the flap switch that says "Avoid slips with flaps extended".
Same models, in chapter 4, "Normal Procedures", under cross wind landings,
"If flap settings greater than 20 degrees are used in sideslips with full
rudder deflection, some elevator oscillation may be felt at normal approach
speeds. However, this does not effect the control of the airplane."
I can't find my manual for the K model, narrower main gear, ten less HP, and
flaps go to 40 degrees, and 100 lb. less MTOW than the N and P, so I can't
quote it right now. I can tell you it comes out of the sky at about the same
glide angle as the Space Shuttle when doing a forward slip with flaps 40.
The rudder buffets a bit, and you can feel a pulsation in the yoke, but it
slips to either side just fine.
If you've ever read "The Lucky Bastard Club", sorry it's in a box somewhere
and I can't remember the author's name right off, the author mentions that
he asked his instructors why the Army didn't teach slips. The aircraft are
too big and too heavy was the usual reply. At several places in the book he
makes a point of describing the slip characteristics of the Stearman and the
Cessna AT-50. Toward the end of the book he slyly lets you know that the
Boeing B-17G slipped just fine, too.
As for the Mk 3, it slips just fine, too. I sometimes wish for a bit more
rudder area, but I suspect that may be more pilot than aircraft.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | Scott Perkins <2scott(at)bellsouth.net> |
Jim sent some photos of his plane in the snow that are simply incredible
(which I have uploaded to the Ultrastar Photo archives)
use the below link to Kolb Ultrastar photos and scroll down to Jim's
"SnowStar" photos. You wont be sorry ! Just amazing !
Thanks for sharing Jim
PS. if someone wants to take all these pics and turn into a thumbnail
photo gallery, be my guest...
/////////////////////////////////////////////
Subject: [KolbUltrastar] COLD From: "JIm" <belvidereill(at)yahoo.com>
Hi guys.
Jim here
I did my first ski landings today It was 18 deg but it was worth it not
much snow (3 inches) but a great experence and awesome flying I guess im
im a flying nut lol
-----------------------
KOLB ULTRASTAR Photos Link
http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Ultrastar/
.
KOLB FLYER photos Link
http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Flyer/
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Now strap a skateboard to his Gut and he may have something....
hahahahaha
YOU FIRST... 8-)
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
Kolbers,
My retired airforce brother-in-law sent this one to me.
http://jet-man.com/playervideo.swf?video=jetman2007.flv
Jack B. Hart FF004
Wichester, IN
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Thanks Rick
It must have been a Flap issue my instructor was concerned with....
This was 20 years ago that this happen..
As with most flying related things they get a little fresh paint over
time 8-)
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: jindoguy(at)gmail.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Slips
Got out the 172 manuals just out of curiosity. For the N and P models
in chapter 2, "Limitations", under Placards, Cessna tells you that a
placard must be near the flap switch that says "Avoid slips with flaps
extended". Same models, in chapter 4, "Normal Procedures", under cross
wind landings, "If flap settings greater than 20 degrees are used in
sideslips with full rudder deflection, some elevator oscillation may be
felt at normal approach speeds. However, this does not effect the
control of the airplane."
I can't find my manual for the K model, narrower main gear, ten less
HP, and flaps go to 40 degrees, and 100 lb. less MTOW than the N and P,
so I can't quote it right now. I can tell you it comes out of the sky
at about the same glide angle as the Space Shuttle when doing a forward
slip with flaps 40. The rudder buffets a bit, and you can feel a
pulsation in the yoke, but it slips to either side just fine.
If you've ever read "The Lucky Bastard Club", sorry it's in a box
somewhere and I can't remember the author's name right off, the author
mentions that he asked his instructors why the Army didn't teach slips.
The aircraft are too big and too heavy was the usual reply. At several
places in the book he makes a point of describing the slip
characteristics of the Stearman and the Cessna AT-50. Toward the end of
the book he slyly lets you know that the Boeing B-17G slipped just
fine, too.
As for the Mk 3, it slips just fine, too. I sometimes wish for a bit
more rudder area, but I suspect that may be more pilot than aircraft.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi,
what are these `flame outs` that seem to have crept into the list
recently. I thought a `flame out` was when a jet engine quit.
Have some of you guys been taking the freedom the Experimental category
gives you a bit far? Lets stick to `engine out` and leave the `flame
outs` to the big boys.
Cheers
Pat
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PAT
Don't all KOLBS fly with their engines out? 8-)
Personally I prefer the term FLAME OUT when referring to a dead
engine...
But then given my Background, I'm use to flying with no FLAME at
all... 8-)
Sorry if I've confused the terms..
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Flame outs
Hi,
what are these `flame outs` that seem to have crept into the list
recently. I thought a `flame out` was when a jet engine quit.
Have some of you guys been taking the freedom the Experimental
category gives you a bit far? Lets stick to `engine out` and leave the
`flame outs` to the big boys.
Cheers
Pat
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: that old video |
No searching round looking for a
| landing spot while your flying accuracy goes to hell. Thats what
throws your
| height away.
| Pat
Patrick:
A good pilot always has the next best forced landing area in sight.
If I may add, once a suitable forced landing area is selected, it is
usually best not to change one's mind. We have some folks on this
List that have experienced that mistake, me included.
john h
mkIII
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 07:53 AM 1/24/2007, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
>The MX should glide better as it has more wing area. 156 to 117 square feet.
It's not really about wing area, but L/D (lift to drag ratio). The MX is
very "draggy", with all the exposed tubes and cables. You need to dive it
steeper to keep the speed up than you do with a cleaner airplane.
-Dana
--
--
But if we LEGALIZE it, we can't take your HOUSE!
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Possum,
Those are amazing pictures.. I never heard about that. Im assuming you posted
the story behond that, can you post a link to it ???
I dont think the MK III is anywhere near 10 to 1 glide. The Cessna 172 manual
gives a glide ratio of 10.5 to one, and my MK III Xtra does not glide anywhere
near as good as a 172 will. One day soon I will do a test to find the exact
glide ratio, I am very curious about this. Compared to most spam can type airplanes,
the Kolb has a very bad glide, offset by a very low touchdown speed and
shot landing roll :)
JetPilot
--------
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have !!!
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="kolbmark3"]"The Kolbs drop like a rock" - not really! Granted, it is not
like a glider, but having experienced at least ten "engine outs" from as low
as 300 feet to as high as 2000 feet, the Mark III does give you some time to
land. But in any plane, even a GA, it is always a good idea (read life saver)
to have a potential landing site picked out.
Jim
Mark III
> [b]
Jim,
I am also interested in what would cause 10 engine outs ? Can you post some of
the information on what caused them, and the kinds of places you land ? And
most of all, what engine are you flying ! Im not trying to flame you here,
I just think it would be really good information for the rest of us and very interesting
stories about the landings !
JettPilot
--------
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have !!!
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: that old video |
| 100% of the time.. Some of the stuff you fly over and some of the
| extensive woodland that some listers have produced pics. of are
pretty short
| of choices.
| Pat
Patrick:
In those cases you mention above, I still take the best choice of what
is available.
Never give up until you finish crashing.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "flykolb" <flykolb(at)wowway.com> |
They were kind of in "clusters" - and not all were complete surprises.
First one was with a 503 and I landed in a hay field, dodging bales of hay.
The next tow were in the same field. After landing, I could not find the
problem, tied the tail down, did an extended runup with no problem. Took
off, was still climbing, when it quit again. Landed, inspected everything,
replaced the fuel pump, did another extended runup, took off, engine quit.
Trailered it home, replaced all fuel lines, cleaned the fuel tanks, new fuel
pump. No more problems. What caused it? I am still not sure.
Next time was after a A&P had replaced the points. Took off and on downwind
it got real quiet. The key in the crankshaft sheared. Landed at my airport.
Replaced key, no more problem.
The other times were with a Rotax 532. I had taken off from a friend's
field, climbed to 2000', leveled out, reduced power, engine quit. Landed at
his field, did extended runup, climbed to 4000', everything ok. Flew back to
my airport with a landing spot always in sight. No problem getting back.
Then in trying to figure out what was wrong there followed a series of
takeoffs and engine outs (just after clearing the end of the field but with
enough altitude to do 180's).
No real sign of seizure but A&P tore down engine, cleaned cylinders and
pistons.Replaced the points with CDI, new radiator, rebuilt gearbox. No more
problems.
Now someone will flame me for taking off again after having a problem. Every
time I had a long enough runway to land if the engine quit on takeoff and/or
enough altitude to do a 180 and get back. In fact one time I had excess
altitude to loose in order to make the runway.
I may be slow but I'm not completely stupid nor do I have a death wish. I
now know I won't panic when the engine goes quiet - but I do have a lot more
experience with engine out landings than I really want!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb glider
>
> [quote="kolbmark3"]"The Kolbs drop like a rock" - not really! Granted, it
is not like a glider, but having experienced at least ten "engine outs"
from as low as 300 feet to as high as 2000 feet, the Mark III does give you
some time to land. But in any plane, even a GA, it is always a good idea
(read life saver) to have a potential landing site picked out.
>
> Jim
> Mark III
>
> > [b]
>
>
> Jim,
>
> I am also interested in what would cause 10 engine outs ? Can you post
some of the information on what caused them, and the kinds of places you
land ? And most of all, what engine are you flying ! Im not trying to
flame you here, I just think it would be really good information for the
rest of us and very interesting stories about the landings !
>
> JettPilot
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
could have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90149#90149
>
>
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Being your own mechanic makes you a better pilot. The worse mechanic you
are, the better the pilot you must be. Not much over a year ago I thought
2-strokes had valves (my son corrected me). It was quite a learning
experience when I bought a disassembled 1982 Quicksilver MX with Cuyuna
engine. I went through two major issues involving the points ignition and
carburetor. The carb was the most problematic. Everything worked fine on
the ground and during takeoff and climbout, then I would loose power 1 or
2 miles from the field. Every time I was able to nurse it back to my
airport for a landing.
The problem was the carb was rotated just slightly too far forward. During
climbout it was near vertical and operating fine, but when I leveled off
(1-2 miles from the field) it would rotate forward slightly (with the
engine) and flood. This problem appeared intermittent and bothered me for
a while until I committed to keep flying short hops around the airport
until I figured it out.
The point is, I could not duplicate this problem on the ground. I had to
fly it multiple times over the airport to troubleshoot the problem. During
testing, the engine could have quit at any time and I would not have had a
problem landing safely. After I figured it out, it was really a joy to
fly.
Jim
> Now someone will flame me for taking off again after having a problem.
> Jim
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From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Going in with the wireing and panel!
http://groups.msn.com/AerialWorld/kolbra012.msnw?Page=7
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
When I took some lessons in an MX II in '95, the instructor told me to hold
pattern altitude of 500 ft till I could see the numbers between my feet, (no
floor in that thing) then pull back the throttle to about (I think) 1/4 or
1/3 power, watch the airspeed indicator (ball in tube type - can't remember
the name) out of the corner of my eye and hold it at 40 mph, then flare just
before hitting. He clamped his hand over mine on the stick to make sure I
obeyed. It was spooky. We came down almost on the numbers, and
the.........flare........almost wasn't. About (it seemed) 5 ft from the
ground he pulled my hand back on the stick, we flared and hit. Not too
hard, either, it were a perty good landing. I can't imagine anything with a
worse glide ratio. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb glider
>
> At 07:53 AM 1/24/2007, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>>
>>The MX should glide better as it has more wing area. 156 to 117 square
>>feet.
>
> It's not really about wing area, but L/D (lift to drag ratio). The MX is
> very "draggy", with all the exposed tubes and cables. You need to dive it
> steeper to keep the speed up than you do with a cleaner airplane.
>
> -Dana
> --
> --
> But if we LEGALIZE it, we can't take your HOUSE!
>
>
>
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From: | "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Jim,
A few of us (5 total, we took turns) were flying two Quicksiver MX2's to
Arlington Airshow and experienced an identical engine problem on one of the
engines, like you mentioned in paragraph one of your previous email.
Let me know if you're interested in what we found..... Mike
in Utah
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From: | "flykolb" <flykolb(at)wowway.com> |
Mike,
I'm interested! What did you find?
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Engine outs
>
>
> Jim,
> A few of us (5 total, we took turns) were flying two Quicksiver MX2's
to
> Arlington Airshow and experienced an identical engine problem on one of
the
> engines, like you mentioned in paragraph one of your previous email.
> Let me know if you're interested in what we found.....
Mike
> in Utah
>
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>
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Hi Gang:
Boy! The weather has been rotten at hauck's holler. Talk about cabin
fever...........
Maybe this will brighten things up a bit. Was going through the
November 1999 copy of EAA Experimenter Magazine tonight and found a
couple historical photos.
One is the Kolb Company's Fire Fly at Sun and Fun 1999. This
particular Sun and Fun was the transition flyin for old and new Kolb
Aircraft. Here is where I met my new bosses at TNK, although I was
flying for Old Kolb.
The other photo is Old Kolb's Sling Shot. Can not remember what year
that was. May have been Oshkosh 1998, or earlier. Anyhow, this was
my first flight in the Sling Shot. Quite a bit of difference between
it and all the other Kolb models I had flown up to that time. Took a
little time to adjust to those little bitty lift struts and wings.
Once I found out I would not fall out of the sky and the SS would fly
much like all the others, I had a ball.
Spring is coming,
john h
mkIII
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
planecrazzzy wrote:
> Hey Big Lar,
> The "key" your talking about.... is 40
>
> Mine will drop in fast at 40..... but if I shoot for 50 , she glides VERY good
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
Thats 2 reports of firestars that glide well...
Im beginning to suspect that the Firestar has a much better glide ratio than the
MK-III Xtra.
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
If we are taking a poll, mine glided a measured 6 miles with 4000 feet of
elevation. I figured 8 to 1. This was without a motor turning.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb glider
>
>
> planecrazzzy wrote:
>> Hey Big Lar,
>> The "key" your talking about.... is 40
>>
>> Mine will drop in fast at 40..... but if I shoot for 50 , she glides
>> VERY good
>>
>> Gotta Fly...
>> Mike in MN
>
>
> Thats 2 reports of firestars that glide well...
> Im beginning to suspect that the Firestar has a much better glide ratio
> than the MK-III Xtra.
>
> Michael A. Bigelow
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90269#90269
>
>
>
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From: | Malcolmbru(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Kolb History |
John do you remember the year the older guy that drove the pelican in the
ditch on the East end of the runway? Have you ever met anyone that new him? I
often wonder how his widow and son are dooing, I understand the volinteer
that was with him is having a hard time geting over it malcolm
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Kolb History |
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> John do you remember the year the older guy that drove the pelican in the ditch
Hi Malcomb: No I don't know about them.
Made an ID mistake on the red Sling Shot. That was Oshkosh 1999 and the Sling
Shot belongs to Bruce Chesnut. Was just now looking at that photo and saw the
912 sitting on it. The old Kolb Sling Shot was powered with a 582.
Xin loi!
john h
mkIII
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net> |
Same wing, less weight, narrower fuselage.
Could have somthing to do with it. :-)
Denny Rowe, Mk-3
PS: I have flown Quicksilver MXs and their glide performance is nowhere near
any Kolb. Single surface wing, cables and tubes everywhere, no real
enclosure, Come on Guys.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb glider
>
>
> planecrazzzy wrote:
>> Hey Big Lar,
>> The "key" your talking about.... is 40
>>
>> Mine will drop in fast at 40..... but if I shoot for 50 , she glides
>> VERY good
>>
>> Gotta Fly...
>> Mike in MN
>
>
> Thats 2 reports of firestars that glide well...
> Im beginning to suspect that the Firestar has a much better glide ratio
> than the MK-III Xtra.
>
> Michael A. Bigelow
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90269#90269
>
>
> --
> 8:40 PM
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 1/24/2007 9:24:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes:
Thats 2 reports of firestars that glide well...
Im beginning to suspect that the Firestar has a much better glide ratio than
the MK-III Xtra.
My FS II, which is about 725 gross, gave me a 6:1 glide ratio.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels |
Recently I rebuilt the BRS mount on my Mk 3, moving it forward and down and
reducing the part count. While finishing up other projects, I've put off
trimming the gap cover to fit the BRS's new location until yesterday and got
a nice surprise.
If you are an HFT customer and you receive the e-mail sale flyers you've
probably seen the diamond coated cutoff wheels they occasionally offer at a
discount. Normally they sell for $9.95 for a package of five, but on sale
they are marked down to $1.99. These little wheels slice right through .06
Lexan like the proverbial hot knife and the butter. And, better yet, they
last. I cut about 30 inches with the diamond wheels buried in the cut, plus
a fair amount of trimming and it showed no sign of wear or build up of
sludge to the wheel. When I went after the aluminum angle that frames the
gap seal the wheel began to show some wear but was still hanging in after a
couple of inches of .06 aluminum.
I'm not a share holder or agent for Chinese commerce, but these little
buggers are really nice and dirt cheap at the sale price.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us> |
Subject: | Re: Kolb History |
Made an ID mistake on the red Sling Shot. That was Oshkosh 1999 and the
Sling Shot belongs to Bruce Chesnut. Was just now looking at that photo
and saw the 912 sitting on it. The old Kolb Sling Shot was powered with
a 582.
Xin loi!
john h
mkIII
Hey John,
That exact plane is now a resident of Jones Light airfield. Is owned by
a Mr. Mike Welch (not the one on this list of recent). It has gone
through a few owners and couple of incidents but is now in good hands
and being cared for and flown regular. Also has a 582 on it now...that
happened to come off Steven Greens M3...man what a small world it is.
Jeremy Casey
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Subject: | Airspeed Indicator Markings |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I see in a lot of pictures you guys have nice, perfect looking white, red and green
arcs on your airspeed indicators.
Being that every plane is different, im assuming that you put these markings on
yourself ? How did you guys do this ?
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings |
| Being that every plane is different, im assuming that you put these
markings on yourself ? How did you guys do this ?
|
| Michael A. Bigelow
Mike:
Most aircraft parts houses have sticky arcs available in kit form for
a reasonable price.
I did my instruments, as most other homebuilders have done.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | New ANR Headsets |
From: | "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
Fellow Kolbers -
I just tried a new pair of ANR headsets on a flight this morning in my
Mark-III, and I'm happy to report THEY WORK GREAT! All the
low-frequency thrumming (which is so fatiguing after more than a half
hour of flying) is gone. What a pleasurable difference.
I was originally planning to buy the DRE-6000 (following the many
positive reports from this List), but when I discovered that they are no
longer in production, I went looking for other options in the $300 price
range.
What I bought was a LiteSPEED QFR XCc ANR headset, rated at 14 dB
active, and 26 dB passive noise cancellation. Very light and
comfortable. Comes with audio interfaces for music or cell phone. $260
at the local pilot shop here in Albuquerque.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, and enjoying the pleasures of quiet flying in
Cedar Crest, NM
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From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: that old video |
At 12:15 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote:
>
>Get to post my tired old video again!>>
>
>Hi,
>enjoyed it again too. The clip is just over a minute, how high were
>you when the clip started?
>
>Cheers
>
>Pat
I'd be guessing, but I think is would be 500 - 600 ft off the ground.
Then engine was turned off about 2000 ft AGL and I know
that 600 ft is too high too land in that field at that point
of the approach - so I'm guessing closer to 500. I can hear myself
saying "too high" at one point on the tape.
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From: | "Ralph" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings |
Get the sticky yellow, green, and red arcs from LEAF.
Ralph
-- "JetPilot" wrote:
I see in a lot of pictures you guys have nice, perfect looking white,
red and green arcs on your airspeed indicators.
Being that every plane is different, im assuming that you put these
markings on yourself ? How did you guys do this ?
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
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you could have !!!
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: New ANR Headsets |
Also states that it has a 28.7 Noise Reduction Rate, weighs only
12 ounces & has a 3 year warranty.
Lightspeed Aviation Passive Headset QFR Solo/ C
Item Number: 170072972527
George Bass
George:
Those are not the same model as the XC that Dennis purchased.
The ebay models listed are passive and not active.
I did a search for them earlier and thought I have discovered a
bonanza. hehehe After I read into it discovered I had not found
anything.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: that old video |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Where can I see this video ????
--------
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have !!!
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From: | Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net> |
Subject: | Re: New ANR Headsets |
George Bass wrote:
> I have no idea how well these items compare to the headset that
> by Dennis Kirby mentioned, but, the price is certainly right, & so
> is the price. For a "Buy It Now" price of $155.00 on eBay.
>
> Also states that it has a 28.7 Noise Reduction Rate, weighs only
> 12 ounces & has a 3 year warranty.
>
>
> Lightspeed Aviation Passive Headset QFR Solo/ C
>
> Item Number: 170072972527
>
> P.S.: (20 listed available)
>
> Blue skies,
>
> George Bass
>
George,
I tried these for my FireFly and they are a good passive headset, not
ANR, but if you wear glasses or sunglasses as I do when flying, you
won't get a good seal because of the stems. You need gel seals for
glasses. Fortunately, Spinners Pilot Shop let me trade them for Flightcom.
Terry - Firefly # 95
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Subject: | Fuel Flow at Cruise |
What sort of cruise fuel flows do you get? I haven't flown my Firefly long enough
or far enough to know. I was looking at the Rotax data sheets and they indicate
4.5 to 5.5 gph for a 447 or 503 in cruise. I though folks got more like
2gph???
What are your cruise fuel flows (preferably with associated airspeed)?
--------
Jim
N. Idaho
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From: | "David Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
Original dirty Firestar...
3-3.5+/- GPH, single carb. 503, indicate 67@SL...
4-4.5+/- GPH, dual carb. 503, indicate 67@SL...
DVD
On 1/25/07, jim <jim@tru-cast.com> wrote:
>
>
> What sort of cruise fuel flows do you get? I haven't flown my Firefly
> long enough or far enough to know. I was looking at the Rotax data sheets
> and they indicate 4.5 to 5.5 gph for a 447 or 503 in cruise. I though
> folks got more like 2gph???
>
> What are your cruise fuel flows (preferably with associated airspeed)?
>
> --------
> Jim
> N. Idaho
>
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From: | Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
jim wrote:
>
>What sort of cruise fuel flows do you get? I haven't flown my Firefly long enough
or far enough to know. I was looking at the Rotax data sheets and they indicate
4.5 to 5.5 gph for a 447 or 503 in cruise. I though folks got more like
2gph???
>
>What are your cruise fuel flows (preferably with associated airspeed)?
>
>--------
>Jim
>N. Idaho
>
>
>
Jim,
I get about 2 gph on my FireFly. I swing a 66" Tennessee Prop and can
go about 120 miles before having to set down for more fuel depending on
the air density and my flying maneuvers. Great mileage now, but cold!!!!!
Enjoy your FireFly!!!
Terry - FireFly #95
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From: | "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings |
For enough income to actually pay rent and eat I do vinyl lettering
out of my home.
I can make arcs, circles, graphics, panel markings and letters from 1/4'
to 24" any color.
Tell me what size,color and what you'd like to donate + postage.
You really should take advantage of this, I'm cheap!
I've also done many #'s & logos for models also.
Vic
MKX 912
Maine
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From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
MKIII Rotax 582, B box 2.58:1 Ivo 2 blade, 68"
About 3.5 gph at 65 mph at 5200 rpm
FSII Rotax 582, E box 2.62:1 Ivo 2 blade 68"
About 3 gph at 65 mph at 4800 rpm
Fuel flow is a function of rpm & load.
Streamline the airframe, and rpm's drop for a given speed.
As rpm's drop, fuel flow goes down.
A big engine loafing is preferable to a little one screaming, it's quieter
and doesn't use any more fuel, sometimes it uses less fuel.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldpoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel Flow at Cruise
>
> What sort of cruise fuel flows do you get? I haven't flown my Firefly
> long enough or far enough to know. I was looking at the Rotax data sheets
> and they indicate 4.5 to 5.5 gph for a 447 or 503 in cruise. I though
> folks got more like 2gph???
>
> What are your cruise fuel flows (preferably with associated airspeed)?
>
> --------
> Jim
> N. Idaho
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90416#90416
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
I don't know how Rotax took their measurements, but their 447 graphs shows
no change in fuel flow (5.3gph) from 5500 rpm (35HP) to 7000 rpm (40HP).
My Firefly has a 503 DCDI. Rotax fuel flow figures for this engine make
more sense in that they follow RPM/HP to max RPM. But it still shows fuel
flow at 4.8gph @ 4500 rpm (27HP) to 5.8gph @ 6500 rpm (50HP). Even with
short flights it seems my fuel flow is not more than 3 gph at 60 mph.
> Fuel flow is a function of rpm & load.
> Streamline the airframe, and rpm's drop for a given speed.
> As rpm's drop, fuel flow goes down.
> A big engine loafing is preferable to a little one screaming, it's quieter
> and doesn't use any more fuel, sometimes it uses less fuel.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldpoops)
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Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings |
Hey VIC
Saw you post on Vinyl lettering...
What would something like this run me???
Letters are to be applied to the windows of a truck shell...
They must fit across a 36 inch space......
So I'm not sure how large the font could be.... I'm guessing 1" maybe
1.25"
I was thinking it might end up being around 1" maybe 1.25" x 36"
Again just the letters without a background color.... Glass is smoke
black now...
Thanks..
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airspeed Indicator Markings
For enough income to actually pay rent and eat I do vinyl lettering
out of my home.
=C2-
I can make arcs, circles, graphics, panel markings and letters from
1/4' to 24" any color.
=C2-
Tell me what size,color and what you'd like to donate + postage.
=C2-
You really should take advantage of this, I'm cheap!
=C2-I've also done many #'s & logos for models also.
=C2-
Vic
MKX 912
Maine
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
Hey Richard
With the 503 DC on the Firefly are you still 103 legal or did you bust
the weight limits?
All I've ever read about on a Fireflyis the smaller 447...
Thanks
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: jim@tru-cast.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Flow at Cruise
I don't know how Rotax took their measurements, but their 447 graphs
shows
no change in fuel flow (5.3gph) from 5500 rpm (35HP) to 7000 rpm (40HP).
My Firefly has a 503 DCDI. Rotax fuel flow figures for this engine make
more sense in that they follow RPM/HP to max RPM. But it still shows
fuel
flow at 4.8gph @ 4500 rpm (27HP) to 5.8gph @ 6500 rpm (50HP). Even with
short flights it seems my fuel flow is not more than 3 gph at 60 mph.
> Fuel flow is a function of rpm & load.
> Streamline the airframe, and rpm's drop for a given speed.
> As rpm's drop, fuel flow goes down.
> A big engine loafing is preferable to a little one screaming, it's
quieter
> and doesn't use any more fuel, sometimes it uses less fuel.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldpoops)
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From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings |
Vic, I never put the Kolb MKIII vinyl decal/sticker on my MKIII because
it is the wrong color. If I sent it to you with a color swatch, could
you do a couple clones of them in blue?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Peters
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airspeed Indicator Markings
For enough income to actually pay rent and eat I do vinyl lettering
out of my home.
I can make arcs, circles, graphics, panel markings and letters from
1/4' to 24" any color.
Tell me what size,color and what you'd like to donate + postage.
You really should take advantage of this, I'm cheap!
I've also done many #'s & logos for models also.
Vic
MKX 912
Maine
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
The Firefly is over 254# with the 503. Even with the 447 you can only
have 1 carb, a 2-bladed wood prop, 4" wheels, no brakes, no oil injection,
no electrical, no or minimal instruments, and minimal paint. I think you
may also have to cover the wings with toilet paper instead of Polyfiber.
If I had built it I would have put on a 447. The guy I bought it from had
a new 503 already so he bought the Firefly and put his engine on it.
>
> Hey Richard
> With the 503 DC on the Firefly are you still 103 legal or did you bust
> the weight limits?
> All I've ever read about on a Fireflyis the smaller 447...
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark Vaughn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jim@tru-cast.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Flow at Cruise
>
>
> I don't know how Rotax took their measurements, but their 447 graphs
> shows
> no change in fuel flow (5.3gph) from 5500 rpm (35HP) to 7000 rpm (40HP).
>
> My Firefly has a 503 DCDI. Rotax fuel flow figures for this engine make
> more sense in that they follow RPM/HP to max RPM. But it still shows
> fuel
> flow at 4.8gph @ 4500 rpm (27HP) to 5.8gph @ 6500 rpm (50HP). Even with
> short flights it seems my fuel flow is not more than 3 gph at 60 mph.
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From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Scott,
I can and will take more photos of the panel tonight in high def and e-mail them
to you. The e-mail off-list for you doesnt seam to work. Send me a e-mail @
paulpetty(at)myway.com and I will zip them right to you! Also feel free to call
me anytime at 601-480-9979.
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Mike,
That is the same ASI that I have ! Same ESI also. What is LEAF and also, where
did you get the transparent decals with the lettering that give your V-Speeds
and that says ESI warning ?
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
I managed to get out today and fly for the first time since becoming a
pilot. Somehow other than getting to fly a plane that I liked, there
didn't seem to be much difference from the time I was an ultra light
pilot. Imagine that!
I took some short videos of the scenery, wild horses, and the Owyhee
River Canyon. Sorry about the horses, but it was in really hostile
territory and I wasn't able to go as slow as I would have liked. It is
just as well, I really don't like to stress them very much. There were
lots of horse bands out there today. They of course were where they
could access the water in the canyons. The mountain is singular,
Steens Mt. Juts up to 10000 feet MSL out of the otherwise flat desert.
The River has cut through the desert leaving a rather spectacular area
to visit. I of course only touched on a small rather drab area. I was
actually looking for some game to fly my hawk on. :-)
You may have to cut and paste, perhaps not.
Larry
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2376663474002568632
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7842798223607400927
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5368054455726402302
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Looks like Larry had more fun than we did today...
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have !!!
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From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
In a message dated 1/25/2007 2:31:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes:
I get about 2 gph on my FireFly. I swing a 66" Tennessee Prop and can
go about 120 miles before having to set down for more fuel depending on
the air density and my flying maneuvers. Great mileage now, but cold!!!!!
Enjoy your FireFly!!!
Terry - FireFly #95
Terry,
What speed are you cruising to get 2 gph? I burn 3.5- 3.45
gph at 60-65 mph
Ed (In Houston FF#62) Where we had A sunny day for the first
time in 2 weeks!
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Subject: | Re: Best Oil Filter for the 912 |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I have been researching Rogers post about oil filters and found the exact same
results that Robert did. Motorcycle people are an excellent source for high
performance engine information, and they gave the Purolator Pure One filter the
best ratings in filtering out the smallest particles, the amount of filter media
used, and construction. Some off road sites also came to the same conclusion
Roberd did, Pure One beign the best, Mobil 1 being second, and down from
there.... Check out the following websites.
http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterStudy.html
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html
http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Filters.html#OilFilters
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html
I was hesitant to try a different oil filter in my brand new 912-s, and I could
care less if the filter cost 5 dollars or 15 dollars, I just want to put on the
best filter avialable. I called some Rotax mechanics and asked them about
it, and they gave me the same line they gave Robert, " Use Rotax because of the
higher bypass pressure "... Well the Rotax Bypass pressure is 13 PSI and
the Purolator bypass pressure is 12 PSI, 1 PSI just will not make any difference...
Here is the Kicker, the mechanic said "you dont want to be in bypass"... The
Purolator filter has a lot more media than the Rotax Filter, so even though it
is 1 PSI difference, the oil flow through a lot of media in the Purolator is
much better than through less media in the Rotax filter. So in the end, I am
less likely to see bypass at cold oil temperatures or due to clogging in the
Purolator filter. One thing some websites said is that the purolator has so
much filter media, that they from looking at it they think it could impede flow
as the pleats are close together, although there have never been any reported
problems. If I were very worried about this, and wanted to be conservative
and error on the safe side, I would use the Mobil 1 filter...
For those of you that use Fram filters in your engines ( I have used Fram in my
cars for years ) you REALLY need to see the bottom of the page in the last link
of the websites !!! Fram always rates in the lowest of the sites I have found,
but this is scarey !!!
The easy thing for me to do would be to just buy the Rotax filter, but I want the
best filter I can get. Falsely feeling good about a Rotax Filter just because
they relabeled it and Rotax tells us all to use it does not make it the best
filter. Look how long it took manufaturers to discover the advantages of
synthetic oil and finally give us their "blessing" to use it. I have run out
of reasons not to stick a Purolator filter on my 912-s after my first oil change.
Any input from those that have been flying 912's for a long time would be
greatly appreciated.
Michael A. Bigelow
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From: | Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi(at)supernet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
Jim Dunn wrote:
> My Firefly has a 503 DCDI.
Wow! That ought to be a wild ride! Wish I had one. ~ Earl
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Best Oil Filter for the 912 |
| I have been researching Rogers post about oil filters and found the
exact same results that Robert did.
|
| Michael A. Bigelow
Hi Mike:
IIRC I have already given you my opinion and the product I use on this
issue.
I read all these "less than scientic" "unprofessional" reports that
you posted some time ago, well before Roger Lee posted reference 912
oil filters. I just now scanned through them very quickly. Did not
see any info on first pass or one pass percentage of filtration. The
filter I use is 98%. I have been flying more than 2,000 hours with
the Fram filters. The one I use now is the Fram TG3614. If I want to
double the amount of filter area I can run a Fram TG3600. However,
the Rotax Factory seems to think the size of their filter is more than
sufficient to do the job, so I will stick to a filter of that size, or
the TG3614. These filters are readily available and are inexpensive,
about 5.00 at Wal-Mart. Since I am not independently wealthy, I will
probably keep on using Fram. BTW I have had no filter, lubrication,
or any problems with my two 912 engines because of a Fram oil filter.
I might add, I drive a 1992 Dodge/Cummins diesel pickup with well over
317,000 miles, all those miles the engine was lubricated with Shell
RotellaT and Fram filters.
Most of the oil filters today are produced by a few, very
manufacturers. I am sure we would be hearing thousands of horror
stories if the filters being sold on the market are defective,
inferior, and not getting the job done.
Not trying to sell myself or anyone else on using Rotax, Purolator,
Fram, or any other brand of oil filter. I haven't seen or experienced
anything to make me change my mind about the way I maintain my Rotax
912ULS.
john h
mkIII
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From: | <jeepacro(at)cox.net> |
Has anyone chose to rib stitch instead of riveting the skin to the wing's? I'm
thinking it will leave the rib's stronger this way as apposed to drilling into
them. Any thought's
--
Rob.
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
I'm thinking it will leave the rib's stronger this way as apposed to
drilling into them. Any thought's
| --
| Rob.
Rob:
Rib stitching works better with flat wood ribs.
Fabric rivets work better with round aluminum tubing.
Kolbs have amassed thousands of hours over the years with no
indication of weak ribs because of rib stitching. It is a well
proven, approved method of fixing fabric to the wing.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Yes I have, and yes I think it would.
But almost no one on the list agrees with me.
However, I am unwilling to abuse my airplane sufficient to find a conclusive
answer...
Don't know how long it takes to drill all those holes, but my wife and I rib
stiched one wing in half a day, and a friend brought his son over the next
day to see how it was done and we did the other one in about three hours.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: <jeepacro(at)cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: wings
>
> Has anyone chose to rib stitch instead of riveting the skin to the wing's?
> I'm thinking it will leave the rib's stronger this way as apposed to
> drilling into them. Any thought's
> --
> Rob.
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Kolb History |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Here is a peice of Kolb History that I was suprised to see still flying !!! I
bet John H. has seen this one at one time or another.
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Kolbs have amassed thousands of hours over the years with no
| indication of weak ribs because of rib stitching. It is a well
| proven, approved method of fixing fabric to the wing.
|
| john h
Hi Gang:
Made a boo boo. The above is incorrect. Should have said, "No
indication of weakened ribs because of drilling for fabric rivets."
Xin loi!!
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Kolb History |
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Mike:
That's the "flying stork", Richard Swiderski's old Ultrastar. I got on his tail
and stayed there 30 mins before I showed myself and my Firestar. That will
be 20 years ago next November. I met Richard the first time after we landed.
I was on my first long cross country flight from hauck's holler to Miami, FL,
and return. 1,500 miles was a long ways to fly and live in a Firestar in 1987.
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Yes, I'm sure he did. I was stuck at work all day. I can't wait to fly that area
again this spring. Here are some sheep from last year.
Nice videos Larry.
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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From: | Ulflyer73(at)aol.com |
Subject: | mk111 in Lancaster PA area? |
I'm searching for someone who has a Mk111 in the Lancaster PA area that
would be willing to take me for a demo(will pay for fuel & time). I've got 150+
hrs in GA, less than 20 in ultralights(Quicksilver) but considering
purchasing a kolb. Any help is GREATLY appreciated.
Jason
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From: | Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/25/2007 2:31:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes:
>
>
> I get about 2 gph on my FireFly. I swing a 66" Tennessee Prop and
> can
> go about 120 miles before having to set down for more fuel
> depending on
> the air density and my flying maneuvers. Great mileage now, but
> cold!!!!!
>
> Enjoy your FireFly!!!
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
> Terry,
>
> What speed are you cruising to get 2 gph? I burn 3.5-
> 3.45 gph at 60-65 mph
>
> Ed (In Houston FF#62) Where we had A sunny day for the
> first time in 2 weeks!
>
>
Ed,
What's your hurry? I like to fly slow and gawk, that's why I built a
FireFly ultralight. I normally cruise at 5,000 to 5,200 rpm which
translates into 50 mph to 52 mph. Sometimes at 4,800 rpm if interested
in a particular place and want to enjoy. I can go faster, but don't
need to. Flying for pleasure, not to get somewhere. This is with an
open cockpit, probably could do a little better with a full enclosure.
Also, the number of takeoff's really increases the fuel burn rate.
Fuel consumption goes up in mid summer with the loss of air density.
Terry - FireFly #95
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| But you were correct the first time.
| There is no indication of weakened ribs because of rib stitching...
| Richard Pike
Morning Richard:
I agree.
Last night, after I went to bed, I remembered what I was trying to
think of about the comparison of rib stitching and fabric rivets. It
has to do with grip and pull.
Wooden rib caps are usually flat and wide. Rib stiching does a good
job of covering the same width of fabric and reinforcing tape as the
width of the rib cap.
On the other hand, rib stitching a 5/16" tube presents a problem or
two. First, if we grab the same amount of reinforcing tape and fabric
as the width of the rib, the rib stitch will pull the fabric down
around the round rib cap. Second, if we grab the apex of the round
rib cap, we may not have sufficient material to secure it correctly.
I may be wrong, but that is what was running through my head when I
went to sleep last night.
Now, which system is quicker? Probably depends on the operator.
However, it doesn't take long to mark and drill the rivet holes before
the fabric goes on. Then a quick once over with the pencil soldering
iron to burn through the reinforcing tape and fabric. Setting and
popping the rivets is quick. All this requires one man.
I have very little rib stitching experience. I stitched the rear
longerons of the mkIII fuselage in the area of prop drumming. Was
made more difficult because I had already installed the fuel tank and
most of the stitching was "blind" stitching. Don't want to do that
again.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Correct on all counts. If you are going to rib stitch 5/16" tubing, you want
1/4" wide reinforcing tape.
Perhaps the most important thing is your mentioning that rivits take one
man. If you are going to do it by yourself, by all means, use rivits.
If you have the luxury of a companion to talk to while you poke the needle
back and forth from one side of the wing to the other, with a cup of coffee
sitting on the stool next to you, rib stitching becomes more appealing.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wings
>
>
> | But you were correct the first time.
> | There is no indication of weakened ribs because of rib stitching...
>
> | Richard Pike
>
> Morning Richard:
>
> I agree.
>
> Last night, after I went to bed, I remembered what I was trying to
> think of about the comparison of rib stitching and fabric rivets. It
> has to do with grip and pull.
>
> Wooden rib caps are usually flat and wide. Rib stiching does a good
> job of covering the same width of fabric and reinforcing tape as the
> width of the rib cap.
>
> On the other hand, rib stitching a 5/16" tube presents a problem or
> two. First, if we grab the same amount of reinforcing tape and fabric
> as the width of the rib, the rib stitch will pull the fabric down
> around the round rib cap. Second, if we grab the apex of the round
> rib cap, we may not have sufficient material to secure it correctly.
>
> I may be wrong, but that is what was running through my head when I
> went to sleep last night.
>
> Now, which system is quicker? Probably depends on the operator.
> However, it doesn't take long to mark and drill the rivet holes before
> the fabric goes on. Then a quick once over with the pencil soldering
> iron to burn through the reinforcing tape and fabric. Setting and
> popping the rivets is quick. All this requires one man.
>
> I have very little rib stitching experience. I stitched the rear
> longerons of the mkIII fuselage in the area of prop drumming. Was
> made more difficult because I had already installed the fuel tank and
> most of the stitching was "blind" stitching. Don't want to do that
> again.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
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From: | "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Rob,
I decided to do rib-stiching, instead of rivets on my MKIII Classic. I
have covered the upper half of one wing, and that was about 4 years ago.
I'm actually going to uncover it---and recover with new materal all the same
age on all surfaces. (I haven't finished building the plane, yet. but
soon, I hope)
As far as I know, maybe rivets are ok, I've never seen a riveted fabric
wing. But I felt stitching would give me the ability to increase the attach
points, and make a slightly smoother ridge.
Not here to criticize rivets, just chose my own preference.
I can tell you one thing....rib-stiching by yourself is a joke. Running
in circles around the wing is a diizzying nightmare. You REALLY want to
find a competant helper if you are going to rib-stitch. But, if I can't
find a helper, then I'm going to rivet!!!!
Oh, BTW, Dondi recommends the narrower reinforcing tape than the 1/2" wide
stuff we're normally supplied with, for stitching.
Yay!!!! Yesterday, I went down to the local building dept. and picked up
the permit for my (airplane) shop. Picked up the pool permit on Wednesday.
So, officially today I begin tractor work
on my pool and shop. (I've been a concrete and general contractor for 30+
years)
Have a pleasant day all. I, for one, hear a tractor calling my
name..............Mike in Utah
FYI I saw on the weather this morning, we in St. George are about double
Salt Lake City's temp.
We should get to 59, they'll see 31 degrees. We're kind of the balmy part
of the state.....much like Vegas weather...........gotta go.
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From: | "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
For what it's worth...
John H. has some important points re: stitching, and bunching of
tape, etc. And as I already stated, stitching is really a two man job.
Although I intended on rib-stitching, my mind can easily be changed!!!!
My only question is: Are the rivets very noticable when the wing is
finished???
If they aren't, then I will go back to the rivet method. It will be a LOT
less work, that's for sure.
Mike in Utah
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From: | "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: Aluminum and routers |
I tried the router table trick with 3/8" aluminun, free hand. Not too
bright but it worked great. First cut it out with a jig saw and cutting
oil (the type you would use with a drill press). Without the oil you
could only get about an inch of cut.
Then I tried the 1/8" instrument panel that comes with the Extra's pod.
That plate fetched up on the bit jumped in the air fell back on the bit
busted it and bound up stopping the motor. The only thing I could do was
yank the power plug.
Believe it or not all was saved except the bit ofcourse. I finished
it with gloves on. If you have a router table and like your fingers use
a clamping system.
Vic
912 EXRA
Me.
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From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
The Xtra wing uses flaperons.
The Classic wing uses seperate flaps and ailerons.
Was the use of flaperons to save weight, complexity, or parts count???
And would the flaperons cause a bit more adverse yaw than ailerons?
Boyd
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| My only question is: Are the rivets very noticable when the wing
is
| finished???
| Mike in Utah
Mike:
Take a look.
john h
mkIII
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Just guessing here, but I would think flaperons would be used to get the
best of both worlds: Maximum surface area for flaps (lower stall speed),
and maxiumum roll authority.
Jim
N. Idaho
>
>
> The Xtra wing uses flaperons.
> The Classic wing uses seperate flaps and ailerons.
>
>
> Was the use of flaperons to save weight, complexity, or parts count???
>
> And would the flaperons cause a bit more adverse yaw than ailerons?
>
> Boyd
>
>
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From: | Todd Fredricks <flyingfox(at)copper.net> |
John:
Can you send me that picture of Miss P'Fer in larger format?
Todd
On 1/26/07 11:48 AM, "John Hauck" wrote:
> ?
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Just guessing here, but I would think flaperons would be used to
get the
| best of both worlds: Maximum surface area for flaps (lower stall
speed),
| and maxiumum roll authority.
|
| Jim
Jim:
In the real world of Kolb, it works just the opposite.
Flaps and ailerons perform better on the mkIII.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Subject: | air speed markings. |
I see in a lot of pictures you guys have nice, perfect looking white, red
and green
arcs on your airspeed indicators.
Being that every plane is different, im assuming that you put these markings
on
yourself ? How did you guys do this ?
it seems I went into paint and found the circle drawing tool, made some
concentric circles and played with the end points and did a paint fill to
put the colors down. Printed it on sticky labels, cut the excess and
pasted on the glass of the asi.
Boyd.
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From: | Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi(at)supernet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
Jim Dunn wrote:
>
> It performs pretty well with the 503 but I haven't flown a FF with a 447
> to compare it with. The previous owner cut a new IVO 3-bladed prop down
> to 54" diameter. Performance would probably be better with a new 62"
> 3-bladed Ivo, but I'm not sure it would be worth $550+ to find out.
Put a two blade 66" or 68" prop. on and it would be a pocket rocket!
I fly with a guy who has FF with 447 two blade IVO 62" or 64", and the
older larger cord ailerons and I believe his climb rate is well over
1000 fpm. ~ Earl
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From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
John:
Yes, these are the sheep we saw just north of the Alvord. The twelve-X zoom and
image stabilizer on the Panasonic FZ-5 make shots like this possible (and safe).
I'll post a few more on Monday if anyone would like to see them. I'll
be away from the computer 'til then. Hope to fly from my home base to the Rock
House get together this year. I need to get my fishing pole and tackle box
out of Larry's hanger.
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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From: | "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us> |
Subject: | Fuel Flow at Cruise |
So your telling me that same plane, same engine, same airspeed got 1 GPH
better fuel consumption with a single carb instead of 2?
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: David Lehman [mailto:david(at)davidlehman.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Flow at Cruise
Original dirty Firestar...
3-3.5+/- GPH, single carb. 503, indicate 67@SL...
4-4.5+/- GPH, dual carb. 503, indicate 67@SL...
DVD
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
I don't think a 66 or 68" 2-bladed prop will fit in the enclosed trailer that came
with the Firefly. After I get everything the way I want it and the weather
warms up, I'll make some quantitative tests. If it doesn't do at least 1000fpm
ROC with the existing prop, I will probably go to the longest 3-bladed prop
that will fit in the trailer (I'm hoping 62").
>From what I've heard, 3 bladed props give better climb and 2-bladed better cruise.
With the FF climb performance is not a problem so I'd rather have a 2-bladed
prop to reduce weight and increase cruise. Unfortunately, if need to go
to a new one I think space requirements will dictate a 3-bladed prop.
Thanks,
Jim
--------
Jim
N. Idaho
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From: | "David Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
That's correct...
Big difference is in takeoff roll and initial ROC... Same 66X34 Tennessee
woody gives me 6800 RPM with two carbs., 6400 RPM with one...
DVD
On 1/26/07, Jeremy Casey <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us> wrote:
>
> So your telling me that same plane, same engine, same airspeed got 1 GPH
> better fuel consumption with a single carb instead of 2?
>
>
> Jeremy
>
>
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Aluminum and routers |
At 11:21 AM 1/26/2007, Vic Peters wrote:
>I tried the router table trick with 3/8" aluminun, free hand. Not too
>bright but it worked...
For straight cuts...
When I built my PPG I used a radial arm saw with a metal/plastic cutting
blade to cut all the aluminum. You have to use stick wax and push the
blade into the work (rather than pulling like you do with wood), but it
worked OK for sheet and tubing. The few small curves I needed I did with
short cuts and a belt sander.
I need a band saw!
-Dana
--
--
People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people.
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
At 03:51 PM 1/26/2007, jim wrote:
>I don't think a 66 or 68" 2-bladed prop will fit in the enclosed trailer
>that came with the Firefly...
How can you fold the wings with a 3-blade prop?
> From what I've heard, 3 bladed props give better climb and 2-bladed
> better cruise...
That sorta makes sense. All other things being equal, a 2-blade prop is
more efficient (a 1 blade is even better, but obviously raises other
issues). However, if you're limited by diameter for how much power the
prop can absorb, adding a blade will give better full throttle
performance. At reduced cruise power settings, the efficiency gain of the
2-blade is more important.
-Dana
--
--
People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people.
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From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
Subject: | Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels |
Now yer pickin' on me again. :-) Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Kinne" <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels
>
> "Way back in the beginnings of Vamoose?" -- I didn't think routers had
> even been invented that long ago --
>
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From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
Subject: | Re: Best Oil Filter for the 912 |
That's all well and good, but you might want to listen to what Dodge has to
say about using Fram filters on the Cummins diesel. Why take a chance ??
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best Oil Filter for the 912
>
>
> | I have been researching Rogers post about oil filters and found the
> exact same results that Robert did.
> |
> | Michael A. Bigelow
>
>
> Hi Mike:
>
> IIRC I have already given you my opinion and the product I use on this
> issue.
>
> I read all these "less than scientic" "unprofessional" reports that
> you posted some time ago, well before Roger Lee posted reference 912
> oil filters. I just now scanned through them very quickly. Did not
> see any info on first pass or one pass percentage of filtration. The
> filter I use is 98%. I have been flying more than 2,000 hours with
> the Fram filters. The one I use now is the Fram TG3614. If I want to
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From: | "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
Ah ha Jim!
There's your problem....you have to wait for the weather to warm up!!!
HeHe
Mike in Utah (60 degrees today, I actually started sweating
while doing tractor work)
>From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:51:40 -0800
>
>
>I don't think a 66 or 68" 2-bladed prop will fit in the enclosed trailer
>that came with the Firefly. After I get everything the way I want it and
>the weather warms up, I'll make some quantitative tests. If it doesn't do
>at least 1000fpm ROC with the existing prop, I will probably go to the
>longest 3-bladed prop that will fit in the trailer (I'm hoping 62").
>
> >From what I've heard, 3 bladed props give better climb and 2-bladed
>better cruise. With the FF climb performance is not a problem so I'd
>rather have a 2-bladed prop to reduce weight and increase cruise.
>Unfortunately, if need to go to a new one I think space requirements will
>dictate a 3-bladed prop.
>
>Thanks,
>Jim
>
>--------
>Jim
>N. Idaho
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90680#90680
>
>
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From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
In a message dated 1/26/2007 8:38:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,
tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes:
Ed,
What's your hurry? I like to fly slow and gawk, that's why I built a
FireFly ultralight. I normally cruise at 5,000 to 5,200 rpm which translates
into
50 mph to 52 mph. Sometimes at 4,800 rpm if interested in a particular
place and want to enjoy. I can go faster, but don't need to. Flying for
pleasure, not to get somewhere. This is with an open cockpit, probably could
do a
little better with a full enclosure. Also, the number of takeoff's really
increases the fuel burn rate.
Fuel consumption goes up in mid summer with the loss of air density.
Terry - FireFly #95
Terry,
When you said you could go 120 miles before refueling, I assumed you
were flying to get somewhere. So you figure if I held my RPMS to 5200 I should
be able to go 100 miles on a tank? I havent tried going that slow when going
cross country!
Ed (Firefly #62)
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From: | "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)comcast.net> |
here are some of the wild horses.
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot2/horses.MOV
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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Subject: | Re: Kolb History |
From: | "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski(at)earthlink.net> |
Mike,
Do you know when those pictures where taken of my old UltraStar? I sure
was glad to get hold of them, Thanks.
Richard Swiderski
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From: | <jeepacro(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | WING"S (stitch or rivets) |
OK, Thank's for all the input. I think I will stitch it. I will stitch it because
I think it will leave the wing's a little bit stronger and If I ever have
to re cover the plane I can't imagine drilling all the hole's AGAIN and putting
rivet's back into what now will probably be a larger sloppy hole (which now
will be even weaker) and fly it with confidence. This is just my opinion. I
have a beautiful sexy wife that would love to help guide my needle into the hole
in the wing's fabric......... smiling
--
Rob.
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From: | "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> |
Mike,
If you decide to go with the rivets and buy your covering supplies from Jim
and Dondi they will send you a drill jig to make drilling the ribs a little
easier.
Steven
>
> For what it's worth...
> John H. has some important points re: stitching, and bunching of
> tape, etc. And as I already stated, stitching is really a two man job.
> Although I intended on rib-stitching, my mind can easily be changed!!!!
>
> My only question is: Are the rivets very noticable when the wing is
> finished???
> If they aren't, then I will go back to the rivet method. It will be a LOT
> less work, that's for sure.
> Mike in Utah
>
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From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: that old video |
I think is would be 500 - 600 ft off the ground.>>
Hi Possum,
To take over a minute from that height to the ground is very good. Better
than my Challenger. On the other hand I had the engine quit at around that
height and you had turned the engine off at 2000ft so you were pretty well
sorted out to make such a good landing while I arrived too fast in a cloud
of dust after about 30 seconds.
Incidentally I read in an article by our Popular Flying Assoc. Chief Coach
the following points re forced landings. I have deleted stuff which does not
apply to our sort of planes.
1.Fly the plane.
2. Fly best L/D (around 1.4 of stall speed)
3. Turn downwind. This will let you cover more ground and therefore give a
wider selection of fields.
4. Pick Field. Surface, Size, Shape, Slope, Situation.
5. Turn off engine. You do NOT want it to start again just when you are
lined up.
Of course if you have time get off a MAYDAY. (Possum from 2000 ft had enough
time to make a cup of tea.)
Farnborough, our main testing and research centre, reckon that an `unalerted
reaction time` is 6 seconds.
Unless your plane has lots of inertial energy (ours dont) and you have high
skill levels (which of course we all have) do NOT attempt to turn back in
the event of an engine failure at take off.
Use an arc of 45 degrees either side of the nose.
The RAF does not teach turn backs at all in their Grob 109 Tutors. The
instructors are limited to 600ft minimum turn back height, less in narrow
fields.
Fly the plane until impact no matter what you are going to hit. Lack of
attention can stall you in and the impact even at low level could drop the
engine on you. Flying into the far hedge at 20 mph is better than into the
near hedge at 60.
Most of this is familiar to many of us but in the light of recent discussion
I thought it was relevant.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I downloaded it from the website. The computer, some paper, and clear tape will
make great V speeds.
Thanks Mike !
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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From: | Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/26/2007 8:38:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes:
>
>
> Ed,
>
> What's your hurry? I like to fly slow and gawk, that's why I
> built a FireFly ultralight. I normally cruise at 5,000 to 5,200
> rpm which translates into 50 mph to 52 mph. Sometimes at 4,800
> rpm if interested in a particular place and want to enjoy. I can
> go faster, but don't need to. Flying for pleasure, not to get
> somewhere. This is with an open cockpit, probably could do a
> little better with a full enclosure. Also, the number of
> takeoff's really increases the fuel burn rate.
>
> Fuel consumption goes up in mid summer with the loss of air density.
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
> Terry,
>
> When you said you could go 120 miles before refueling, I assumed
> you were flying to get somewhere. So you figure if I held my RPMS to
> 5200 I should be able to go 100 miles on a tank? I havent tried going
> that slow when going cross country!
>
>
> Ed (Firefly #62)
>
Ed, Didn't mean to come off as argumentative, just informative! When I
said I could go 120 miles before refueling, I didn't mean that I do. I
was translating my fuel burn into continuous miles if I didn't put down
as I usually do. My longest flights so far have been in the 50 ml.
range. Have a fellow flyer who keeps pushing me to go further which I
will do. Have the luxury of beautiful Lancaster county, PA to fly over
with it's many Amish farms.
What I was trying to convey is that I don't have the need for speed, but
do enjoy the performance level of the FireFly, especially the climb
rate. Another benefit to keeping rpm down is the life of the 447. 622
hr.'s and still purring with no tear down performed. "Now I know I will
hear about that" as it is the common wisdom of this list that you have
to tear down regularly and de-carbon and so on. Luckily, my friend and
fellow kolb flyer is a 2 cycle guru and repairman with much experience
and I follow his lead on maintenance. I expect maybe 1000 hr.'s before
tear down. Not suggesting anyone else follow this program, but I do
know that the Rotax engine isn't the fragile little thing that many make
it out to be. It had powered many snowmobiles and jet ski's many miles
before being used by us on ultralight's.
As far as you being able to go 100 miles on a five gallon tank of gas,
that should be quite possible depending on your gross weight and air
density and not doing several takeoff's. Being in Texas, I assume that
your average temperatures when flying is higher than mine and your
therefore your fuel consumption will be higher.
Terry - FireFly #95
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From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Aluminum and routers |
Vic Peters wrote:
> I tried the router table trick with 3/8" aluminun, free hand. Not too
> bright but it worked great. First cut it out with a jig saw and
> cutting oil (the type you would use with a drill press). Without the
> oil you could only get about an inch of cut.
>
> Then I tried the 1/8" instrument panel that comes with the Extra's
> pod. That plate fetched up on the bit jumped in the air fell back on
> the bit busted it and bound up stopping the motor. The only thing I
> could do was yank the power plug.
> Believe it or not all was saved except the bit ofcourse. I
> finished it with gloves on. If you have a router table and like your
> fingers use a clamping system.
>
> Vic
> 912 EXRA
> Me.
I've had success using a roto-zip bit (like sheet-rock/dry wall
finishers use) in a drill press. The flutes seem to be open enough to
avoid clogging & I haven't had to use cutting fluid.
Charlie
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From: | "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net> |
Now I see horses Thanks
vic
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From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise |
In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:04:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,
tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes:
What I was trying to convey is that I don't have the need for speed, but do
enjoy the performance level of the FireFly, especially the climb rate.
Another benefit to keeping rpm down is the life of the 447. 622 hr.'s and still
purring with no tear down performed. "Now I know I will hear about that" as
it is the common wisdom of this list that you have to tear down regularly and
de-carbon and so on. Luckily, my friend and fellow kolb flyer is a 2 cycle
guru and repairman with much experience and I follow his lead on maintenance.
I expect maybe 1000 hr.'s before tear down. Not suggesting anyone else f
ollow this program, but I do know that the Rotax engine isn't the fragile
little thing that many make it out to be. It had powered many snowmobiles and
jet ski's many miles before being used by us on ultralight's.
As far as you being able to go 100 miles on a five gallon tank of gas, that
should be quite possible depending on your gross weight and air density and
not doing several takeoff's. Being in Texas, I assume that your average
temperatures when flying is higher than mine and your therefore your fuel
consumption will be higher.
Terry - FireFly #95
Terry,
What you are saying now is more in line with what I am experiencing with
my Firefly. I dont think I could go more than 60 mi without refueling. I do
know that it burns a lot less fuel just taking it easy , flying slow and
enjoying the scenery. I was about ready to get me a Tennessee wooden prop, but
it sounds like there is not much difference between that and my 66' 2 blade
Ivo.
Ed (FF #62 In SOGGY Houston)
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible
landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that
I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them.
$350 for the pair, plus shipping.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
At 01:38 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote:
>
>Possum,
>
>Those are amazing pictures.. I never heard about that. Im
>assuming you posted the story behond that, can you post a link to it ???
Just one of the guys that we pulled out of the
woods way back when. A 20 mph crosswind landing
flipped him up & over and upside down into the trees before he
ever touched down in Taccoa? Four of us landed before him and he was
dragging behind everybody because of his damn floats.
We were actually eating lunch "Burger King Woppers" from our ground crew
(my Dad) when we first heard his engine go from
"normal" to this God aawful "Full throttle/chain saw" sound.
You might notice that his "nose" never touched the ground.
Got a Wrecker to pick his plane up and put it on the runway.
He towed it home - one less Possum.
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From: | "Wayne Boyter" <boyter(at)mcsi.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Are the new steel gear leg from kolb still have the wrong bend at the
axle? all the old ones about two years ago, camber was way off when the
weight was on the wheels.
Wayne
Kolb mark 3
582 three blade wrap drive
450 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my
horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear
legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going
to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: fuel tank piping |
I also have a 6 gal. bladder tank for a total of 16 gals. It has its own
fuel pump and pumps into the fuel line that comes out of the tanks going to
the engine. It fills up the tanks in flight. >>
Hi Roger,
thats interesting. Where did you install the bladder tank?
I don`t understand why you joined the fuel line `between the tank and the
engine`. Doesn`t that interfere with fuel to the engine?. I would have
thought that a feed directly into the tank to top it up would be the way to
go.
Cheers
Pat
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
I bought them in April or May of 2006 so I doubt they are in that lot.
Rick
On 1/27/07, Wayne Boyter wrote:
>
> Are the new steel gear leg from kolb still have the wrong bend at the
> axle? all the old ones about two years ago, camber was way off when the
> weight was on the wheels.
>
> Wayne
> Kolb mark 3
> 582 three blade wrap drive
> 450 hrs.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Richard Girard
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:44 AM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
>
> When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible
> landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that
> I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them.
> $350 for the pair, plus shipping.
>
> Rick
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport.
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: that old video |
At 07:44 AM 1/27/2007, you wrote:
>
>I think is would be 500 - 600 ft off the ground.>>
>
>Hi Possum,
>
>To take over a minute from that height to the ground is very good.
>Better than my Challenger. On the other hand I had the engine quit
>at around that height and you had turned the engine off at 2000ft so
>you were pretty well sorted out to make such a good landing while I
>arrived too fast in a cloud of dust after about 30 seconds.
I had plenty of time to set up the landing, that's why I think the
altitude was about right.
That camera had a wide angle lens on it to get the wings in the shot,
so it makes things
look a little farther away than the really are.
First time I cut my engine off, I was going to restart about 800
feet. I got so excited after
flying my "glider" down from 3,000 ft, that I forgot to turn on the
ignition and had to land deadstick.
That is a common mistake, I hear.
BTW : It doesn't mater how you juggle the coke or the throttle, it
still won't crank
with the ignition off.
It's cold out there so here's another old video from a few summers ago called
"We're pretty normal people .....most of the time"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6342651231744705575
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Subject: | Re: that old video |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
That last video was awesome possums. I had not seen that before, im sure there
are many newcommers to the list that are seeing these videos for the first time.
Keep on posting :)
Where was the beach video done ? Also, on the video of the glide to landing, how
did you mount the camera to the tail of your kolb ?
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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Subject: | Re: Lumbar Support |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Great idea Mike, being indoors from the bitter cold does have its advantages.
Lots of neat improvements to that firestar this winter ! ( Kolb should look hard
at that full enclosure ). I bet its not only warmer, and quieter, but also
faster when its fully enclosed.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: that old video |
We're pretty normal people>>
Hi Possum,
I really liked that video. What freedom you guys have, and room of course.
There is probably not a beach in the UK as empty of people as that.
I like the soundtrack. Who was it, sounded like Jimmy Buffet to me. He is
almost unknown here but i like his Margaritaville stuff.
Cheers
Pat
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
I know I'm not going to install them.
| $350 for the pair, plus shipping.
|
| Rick
Rick:
If you keep on flying, eventually you will need them.
Old hauck's holler proverb. ;-)
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
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Subject: | Re: that old video |
NICE footage..
A buddy and I did much the same thing on part 103 Trikes from the
Plumb Island Airport on the NH Coast...
We flew the length of the NH Coast line ( Only About 13 miles ) 8-)
Then returned to the Airport for a
not so warm welcome...
Some along the beach called the airport and complained we were flying
too close and too low...
but truth be told we were out over the water MOST of the time 8-)
BTW
Thats only 13 miles of the USAs 12,383 miles of Coast line that we got
yelled at for over flying 8-/ sad HuH
http://www.teachervision.fen.com/maps/bodies-of-water/725.html
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: orcabonita(at)hotmail.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: that old video
That last video was awesome possums. I had not seen that before, im
sure there
are many newcommers to the list that are seeing these videos for the
first time.
Keep on posting :)
Where was the beach video done ? Also, on the video of the glide to
landing,
how did you mount the camera to the tail of your kolb ?
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as
you could
have !!!
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From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Took some high res pics of the panel for Scott. Thought I would share with all
of you.
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: that old video |
| Where was the beach video done ? |
| Mike
Mike B:
Believe that beach was on St George Island on the Northwest Florida
coast, not far from where I grew up in Tallahassee, Florida.
I have been fortunate to fly this beach many times over the years.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com> |
Subject: | Re: Lumbar Support |
They are temper-foam, but very spendy. Oregon Aero builds a very good
product, but you sure pay for them. Lar. Do
not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lumbar Support
>
> Hey Big Lar,
> Yeah,
> Ya start gettin up there in age and little
> comforts can make a BIG difference....What's next , Rolaids dispenser ?
> ( I don't fly without them close at hand )
>
> Are the zip on lumbar supports "air" or foam...?
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
>
>
> biglar wrote:
>> Real good idea, Mike. I bought a temper foam seat from Oregon Aero for
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Subject: | Re: that old video |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Believe that beach was on St George Island on the Northwest Florida
> coast, not far from where I grew up in Tallahassee, Florida.
>
>
I know Tallahassee very well, where did you live John ? I lived there for 4 years
while I went to FSU. I flew my Cessna 150 all over that area, based my plane
at Bainbridge for a while and then at the big airport in tallahassee. Did
you ever fly out to Dog island ? I should have recognized that coastline,
but I did not buzz the beaches as often as I should have [Wink] I much prefered
to fly down the apalachicola river at 10 feet as it wound its way south,
and low over the bean and cotton fields near bainbridge.
I was flying trail formation over the river with my friend one day, my friend flew
past a fishing boat and I saw the guys head follow my friends plane, so I
went over him at 10 feet and 100 MPH. The next day some dude went to the bainbridge
airport looking for this idiot that almost knocked him out of his boat.
Luckily the line guy was my buddy and assured the guy that no pilots that fly
out of that airport would do such a thing ;)
My buddy used to fly circles around the 22 nd floor of the Florida state capitol
building with his Cessna 140, and no one ever said a word about it. Now that
would probably get him thrown in prison. They are doing their best to take
the fun out of Aviation, but have not succeeded completely :)
Michael A. Bigelow
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have !!!
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From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Tap Plastics sells a 1" dia "S" glass fiberglass rod that is 6 feet long
for $30. That would make two gear legs if a 3/16 thick sleeve could be
found to reduce the dia of the fuselage sleeve on a Mark III. Has
anyone tried them for a gear leg replacement? My guess is that they
might be too flexible. Vic in Sacramento
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Subject: | Steel landing gear? Which models? |
From: | "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com> |
I noticed that my Kolb Firestar II has aluminum landing gear. Is the Kolbra the
only Kolb that comes standard with steel landing gear? Can the Firestar's gear
be upgraded to steel? Thx.
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Subject: | Anybody with a Kolbra/Mark 111 in Albuquerque, New Mexico? |
From: | "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm going to be in Albuquerque, NM from the 1st to the 5th of Feb. My wife has
a nursing conference she is going to attend. I'm hoping to find someone that has
a Kolb aircraft that I could get some air time prior to me flying my Kolb Firestar
II. Of course I would gladly pay for your time & effort in this regard.
Thanks. -John Murphy (Henderson, NV- Kolb Firestar II owner).
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Subject: | Re: Steel landing gear? Which models? |
From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi All,
As soon as I quit listening to CFI's telling me how to land I never had another
tweaked gear.
Then I went with 1 3/8" T-7075 aluminum gear legs. These did not taper and were
1 3/8" all the way to the axial hub. I remade the gear strut/axial hub receptcle.
That took about 1 hour to weld it up. The 1 3/8" aluminum cost $140. All
I had to do then was drill the bolt holes. Never ever had another issue. I think
the older stock tappered aluminum gear legs were a little light when people
started to put 1100-1200 lbs on them. I think they were originally designed
for 1000 lbs. max. The older gear legs tappered down from 1 3/8" to 3/4".
I also added 6" in length which worked out really well. It gave me a slightly wider
stance and better ground handeling and raised me up some and then allowed
the Kolb to be landed on the mains first all the time.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
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From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
----- Original Message -----
From: <APilot(at)webtv.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
>
> Tap Plastics sells a 1" dia "S" glass fiberglass rod that is 6 feet long
> for $30. My guess is that they
> might be too flexible. Vic in Sacramento
>
>
> Vic
no doubt about it.
Denny
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From: | "tc1917" <tc1917(at)hughes.net> |
Just wanted you all to know I found two NavMan 2100 fuel flow units. I am
buying one and the other is up for grabs if you act quickly. It lists for
$153.00 plus shipping (about twelve bucks) If you are interested, call
David Randall in Phenix City, Alabama at 334-298-1313 or 334-298-8282. They
are really nice people there and dont give a rats what you use their stuff
on. They know I use the boat tank I bought there (at a great price) for the
sling shot. (9 gal max, fits in the back seat perfectly) Ted Cowan, Alabama
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Interesting idea to use the S glass rod. The Varieze, LongEZ and all their
progeny use S glass main and nose ear. Should anyone try this idea, be sure
to wrap the leg with E glass laid up at a 45 degree bias. This keeps the S
glass rod from splintering or delaminating when bent.
Rick
On 1/27/07, Denny Rowe wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <APilot(at)webtv.net>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
>
>
> >
> > Tap Plastics sells a 1" dia "S" glass fiberglass rod that is 6 feet long
> > for $30. My guess is that they
> > might be too flexible. Vic in Sacramento
> >
> >
> > Vic
>
> no doubt about it.
>
> Denny
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Steel landing gear? Which models? |
John, My Firestar came to me with steel legs and a set of aluminum legs as
spares. Part of restoring it to the air will be to jerk those steel legs and
put in the aluminum.
I don't like straightening gear legs, but I can't even imagine how much I'd
dislike trying to straighten a cage.
Rick
On 1/27/07, John H Murphy wrote:
>
>
> I noticed that my Kolb Firestar II has aluminum landing gear. Is the
> Kolbra the only Kolb that comes standard with steel landing gear? Can the
> Firestar's gear be upgraded to steel? Thx.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90924#90924
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Steel landing gear? Which models? |
Part of restoring it to the air will be to jerk those steel legs and
| put in the aluminum.
| I don't like straightening gear legs, but I can't even imagine how
much I'd
| dislike trying to straighten a cage.
|
| Rick
Rick:
Do you know if the steel legs are heat treated?
john h
mkIII
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Steel landing gear? Which models? |
No, I can get access to a Rockwell hardness tester if I need it, though.
Rick
On 1/28/07, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Part of restoring it to the air will be to jerk those steel legs and
> | put in the aluminum.
> | I don't like straightening gear legs, but I can't even imagine how
> much I'd
> | dislike trying to straighten a cage.
> |
> | Rick
>
>
> Rick:
>
> Do you know if the steel legs are heat treated?
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Steel landing gear? Which models? |
| No, I can get access to a Rockwell hardness tester if I need it,
though.
|
| Rick
The reason I ask is, normalized 4130 is very stiff and when bent,
stays bent.
We heat treat to RC48, which produces a nice spring. Makes 4130 nice
and flexible.
We have a good number of mkIIIs and Kolbras flying with steel gear
legs. I have been doing it successfully for more than 20 years and a
few hours and landings.
I still hit pretty hard now and again. After I got back from Alaska
last time, I put both legs in the press and readjusted them. Was
amazed at how far over center I had to go to get them straight.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Steel landing gear? Which models? |
Reminds me of a story my friend Scotty told me years ago. Scotty was working
at the Mare Island Naval Shipyard where they sevice nuclear submarines. His
buddy was in charge of straightening periscope tubes. He had it down to a
science. He would put the tube in one of the big engine lathes they had and
turn the tube until he had the bend down, then put a big hydraulic jack
under the end. From experience he knew just how much to bend it up so it
would spring back to straight. It would take a lift of several feet just to
take out a minor bend the alloy was so stiff.
One day they brought in a tube from one of the newer design subs and he set
about his process. Only problem was that this new tube was of a new alloy
that was a bit softer than before. It was a little over an inch out of
column when he got it all chucked up in the lathe. He found the low spot and
proceeded to jack it up a little over two feet, released the jack and
nothing. The tube just sat there. Needless to say there was a mad scramble
to rearrange the tube and get it back to straight before the shop foreman
came around.
Rick
On 1/28/07, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> | No, I can get access to a Rockwell hardness tester if I need it,
> though.
> |
> | Rick
>
>
> The reason I ask is, normalized 4130 is very stiff and when bent,
> stays bent.
>
> We heat treat to RC48, which produces a nice spring. Makes 4130 nice
> and flexible.
>
> We have a good number of mkIIIs and Kolbras flying with steel gear
> legs. I have been doing it successfully for more than 20 years and a
> few hours and landings.
>
> I still hit pretty hard now and again. After I got back from Alaska
> last time, I put both legs in the press and readjusted them. Was
> amazed at how far over center I had to go to get them straight.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
> Hi Larry,
> When I was messin with my old com system...my PTT also had the
> 4 wires.... there were Two momentary switches...
> One - normaly open
> One- normaly closed
>
> What this did was cut-off andbody in the intercom , while the pilot is
> using the radio...
>
> Sounds like yours might be the same...
>
> You could , just use the two wires and elbow the passenger...He he he
>
> Or maybe you have something different...
>
> I think mine was Comtronics...
>
This one is I-com. Here is a picture, perhaps that will help. If I weren't
afraid of frying the final or something else in the radio, I would just
connect the four wires together into two pairs and call it good.
Larry,Oregon
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Larry, Check the Aeroelectric List also here on Mattronics. Some one there
will know exactly what to do with your particular set up.
Rick
On 1/28/07, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
>
> > Hi Larry,
> > When I was messin with my old com system...my PTT also had
> the
> > 4 wires.... there were Two momentary switches...
> > One - normaly open
> > One- normaly closed
> >
> > What this did was cut-off andbody in the intercom , while the pilot is
> > using the radio...
> >
> > Sounds like yours might be the same...
> >
> > You could , just use the two wires and elbow the passenger...He he he
> >
> > Or maybe you have something different...
> >
> > I think mine was Comtronics...
> >
>
>
> This one is I-com. Here is a picture, perhaps that will help. If I weren't
> afraid of frying the final or something else in the radio, I would just
> connect the four wires together into two pairs and call it good.
>
> Larry,Oregon
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Larry:
Don't take this for gospel, but I think the white wire is the PTT
wire. Ground it and the radio should go to xmit.
However, don't do that because I said so. Let me see if I can find my
schematic for my icom.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
I distinctly remember my old airframe instructor back at Spartan telling us that
on flat ribs...you stitch em...on round ribs, you rivet em.
I cannot remember if it was a FAA requirement, but the 4113 manual should give
the answer there. I acknowledge it might not be applicable to experimental class
birds, but I considered it quite seriously when I built my wings..after much
rumination,,I considered the history of the riveted round ribs was plenty good
and the chance at making "puckers" in the fabric around the round rib with
a stitch caused me to rivet them. I know the puckers wouldnt show after applying
the wide tape, but the pucker seems like a weakspot in fabric/rib connection,
and thats what keeps the ribs in column under mucho stresso..
maybe a fella oughta try a test piece of stretched fabric over a round rib to get
the hang of it before jumping in on a nicely covered wing.
Might cause a man to decide the rivets are acceptable. maybe not
Just a few contributing thoughts..in caseyou have not considered them.
--------
Don G
FireFly#098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
In a message dated 1/28/2007 3:51:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
donghe@one-eleven.net writes:
Might cause a man to decide the rivets are acceptable. maybe not
Just a few contributing thoughts..in caseyou have not considered them.
--------
Don G
FireFly#098
Don,
Do you or anyone else know of a situation where rivets did not hold the
fabric well enough or caused a structural failure! I havent heard of any! I
took an aluminum straight edge and marked my rivet spacing on it 1 time and
then layed out the holes on All of the ribs In short order. Made a drill
fixture out of a piece of tubing and drilled the holes fairly quick. If I built
another one that is what I would do without question. That is the beauty of
building it yourself!
Ed Diebel (FF #62)
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Steel landing gear? Which models? |
At 10:09 AM 1/28/2007, Richard Girard wrote:
>I don't like straightening gear legs, but I can't even imagine how much
>I'd dislike trying to straighten a cage.
Exactly, on many aircraft, especially ultralights with rigid or semirigid
gear, the gear seems too easily bent but think of it as the "fuse" in the
system preventing further damage.
=Dana
--
--
Congress shall make no law....What part of NO didn't you understand?
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
| Do you or anyone else know of a situation where rivets did not
hold the
| fabric well enough or caused a structural failure! I havent heard
of any! |
| Ed Diebel (FF #62)
Ed:
Fabric riveting of fabric is a certified method of attachment. Will
not cause your wings to fall off.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
From: | "Michael Sharp" <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com> |
I have had an incident with the son-in-laws cats... please don't get me started
on that.....
See the attached photo. one of them jumped up to get on the wing that was hanging
in the garage and sliced the fabric.
Question: can these slices be repaired or should i recover the entire wing???
Thanks a bunch...
--------
The air up there in the clouds is very pure and fine...And why shouldn't it be?-
--It is the same the angels breathe.
Mark Twain,
Roughing it' 1886
Mike
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
| I have had an incident with the son-in-laws cats...
Break the cats neck!!!
| See the attached photo. one of them jumped up to get on the wing
that was hanging in the garage and sliced the fabric.
Before I repaired the fabric I'd do a professional punch test on it.
If you covered and finished the wing with Stitts/Polyfiber products,
and there is adequate UV block, probably ok to repair.
We discovered some fabric on a FS that had very little rip resistance.
Virtually no resistance to tear. This fabric was finished with
something other than Stitts/Polyfiber products.
Best recommendation for me would be to call Jim and Dondi Miller for
answers.
http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Reinstalling the Bing card slide spring. |
From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
I put a web page up to show how I install the spring in a Bing 54 carb slide.
I think most everyone knows this shortcut but there are always new guys starting
out.
I still see special spring clip tools for sale so there must be some people struggling
with this.
I can literally remove the slide, move the needle jet position and have the spring
reinstalled in less than 2 mintues with no special tools.
Check it out here:
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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From: | Ulflyer73(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
rips can be fixed using strips of Feline skin
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From: | "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com> |
Subject: | Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
Thanks John,
If I see the cats again that is exactly what I will do!!!
I've emailed Jim and Dondi and am awaiting their response just thought I'd
ask the list also..
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
| I have had an incident with the son-in-laws cats...
Break the cats neck!!!
| See the attached photo. one of them jumped up to get on the wing
that was hanging in the garage and sliced the fabric.
Before I repaired the fabric I'd do a professional punch test on it.
If you covered and finished the wing with Stitts/Polyfiber products,
and there is adequate UV block, probably ok to repair.
We discovered some fabric on a FS that had very little rip resistance.
Virtually no resistance to tear. This fabric was finished with
something other than Stitts/Polyfiber products.
Best recommendation for me would be to call Jim and Dondi Miller for
answers.
http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/
Take care,
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
At 06:39 PM 1/28/2007, Ulflyer73(at)aol.com wrote:
>rips can be fixed using strips of Feline skin
,,,Catgut?
-Dana
--
--
If you don't grow up by age 35, you don't have to.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
That is a very serious part of the wing. Don't want to have a patch
release in flight.
I have patched fabric with less than 6" rips in that area with
success. I think an important factor is to have plenty overlap of the
damaged area.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com> |
Subject: | Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
That was my first thought, a very critical portion of the wing.
We will see what Jim has to say, I'll post it on the list when I find out...
Thanks to all for the "other" advise.. I may just use it....
A coon ass friend of mine emailed me off list with a recipe for Cat
Gumbo....
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
That is a very serious part of the wing. Don't want to have a patch
release in flight.
I have patched fabric with less than 6" rips in that area with
success. I think an important factor is to have plenty overlap of the
damaged area.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
If anybody is still looking for a DRE 6000, I have an extra set that is
less than two years old that I would part with for $200.00 Still work
like they did when I got them. Only ran one set of batteries through
them. guaranteed for 30 days, you pay the shipping.
Larry, Oregon
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: tank troubles |
I really don't want to, still trying to follow the KISS principal.
I am at a loss.
Larry, Oregon
Hi Larry:
I never had an airplane with this "screwy" system of pulling fuel from
two tanks through one line.
If I did have two tanks, you can be assured I would be pulling from
the bottom of both into a T. I can assure you you will then be
getting equal draw from each tank.
There is a neoprene grommet and elbow fitting available from Kolb or
most any UL parts house for tapping a plastic or metal tank. I have
used them for many years and many hours with great success.
If you still want to pull fuel from the top of the tank, then tap the
bottoms, tie them together so gravity can do its job for you.
Why switch back and forth between tanks with your fuel level sender
when you are working with a flow system that doesn't work logically?
My thoughts for what they are worth. 2 cents.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | ElleryWeld(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
thats lookimg good you should be flying it in a week
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: tank troubles |
If it helps any Larry, you're not the only one in this boat. When I found a
cracked grommet that was just beginning to weep fuel, I was determined to
keep all fuel taps on the top of the tanks. I figured out how to modify a
Weatherhead valve so I could have right, left, both and off, but the fear of
running a tank dry and sucking air has me debating the real merits of this
set up.
I haven't come up with anything better than John's method of putting an
interconnection between the tanks on the bottom and let them self level.
Until I get the rewiring program accomplished I've been doing the Scarlett
O'Hara method. "I shall think about that tomorrow".
Rick
On 1/28/07, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> I really don't want to, still trying to follow the KISS principal.
>
> I am at a loss.
> Larry, Oregon
>
> Hi Larry:
>
> I never had an airplane with this "screwy" system of pulling fuel from
> two tanks through one line.
>
> If I did have two tanks, you can be assured I would be pulling from
> the bottom of both into a T. I can assure you you will then be
> getting equal draw from each tank.
>
> There is a neoprene grommet and elbow fitting available from Kolb or
> most any UL parts house for tapping a plastic or metal tank. I have
> used them for many years and many hours with great success.
>
> If you still want to pull fuel from the top of the tank, then tap the
> bottoms, tie them together so gravity can do its job for you.
>
> Why switch back and forth between tanks with your fuel level sender
> when you are working with a flow system that doesn't work logically?
>
> My thoughts for what they are worth. 2 cents.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Subject: | Re: tank troubles |
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tank troubles
> If I did have two tanks, you can be assured I would be pulling from
> the bottom of both into a T. I can assure you you will then be
> getting equal draw from each tank.
>
> There is a neoprene grommet and elbow fitting available from Kolb or
> most any UL parts house for tapping a plastic or metal tank. I have
> used them for many years and many hours with great success.
>
I am afraid that is the part that is causing me the confusion. I am using
grommets and pulling from the bottom of both tanks, The lines go to a "Y" to
form one line that goes to the faucet pump, then to the carbs. My set up is
exactly what you describe, but it isn't working! The only thing that could
be causing my problem is that my air vent is plugged, but I am pretty sure
that there aren't any Mud Daubers working at single digit temps. :-)
The fact that I am picking up my gas from the bottom of my tanks is the only
thing that kept me from walking back tonight. When I got into the hanger I
noticed that I had a bit less than a gallon in the one tank and three
gallons in the other. You should see me sweat in those single digits.
Larry,Oregon
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Bob Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net> |
Larry,
Just found an old(!) msg (aug 7, 1998) I sent on FLY-
UL(at)majordomo.hughes.net with diagram for Icom A-22 external PTT ckt.
Still need that info?
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: tank troubles |
Larry C:
The push in grommets and fittings have a proven track record, a hell
of a lot better than your current fuel system.
I have some in my fuel tank that have been in service for 15 years.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: tank troubles |
If it is the vents, try switching the caps between the two tanks and see if
you get the same results. My old system always drew evenly from both tanks.
WARNING, the following is an untested idea, but I will be using it to vent
my tanks.
I drilled a 1/4" hole through the little cap on the tank handle and the
threaded boss it screws onto. I beaded a short piece of 1/4" aluminum tubing
on both ends (put the cap on this tube before doing the second bead, you can
guess how I learned that one) Bead one end about a 1/2" from the end so
there is tubing to go down in the boss rather than just setting on top.
Slide a piece of fuel proof line onto this and connect the two tanks with a
tee. Run the single line from the tee up to the engine mount tube then back
down and out the bottom of the cabin. I believe this will do two things.
One, prevent any kind of fuel spill in case of being flipped over, and two,
pick up ram air to pressurize the tanks and take a bit of load off the fuel
pump. I stole this idea from the LongEZ guys.
Rick
On 1/28/07, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tank troubles
>
> > If I did have two tanks, you can be assured I would be pulling from
> > the bottom of both into a T. I can assure you you will then be
> > getting equal draw from each tank.
> >
> > There is a neoprene grommet and elbow fitting available from Kolb or
> > most any UL parts house for tapping a plastic or metal tank. I have
> > used them for many years and many hours with great success.
> >
>
>
> I am afraid that is the part that is causing me the confusion. I am using
> grommets and pulling from the bottom of both tanks, The lines go to a "Y"
> to
> form one line that goes to the faucet pump, then to the carbs. My set up
> is
> exactly what you describe, but it isn't working! The only thing that could
> be causing my problem is that my air vent is plugged, but I am pretty sure
> that there aren't any Mud Daubers working at single digit temps. :-)
>
> The fact that I am picking up my gas from the bottom of my tanks is the
> only
> thing that kept me from walking back tonight. When I got into the hanger I
> noticed that I had a bit less than a gallon in the one tank and three
> gallons in the other. You should see me sweat in those single digits.
>
> Larry,Oregon
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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Subject: | Rivits or Stitching |
When riveting do you use a rivet made of the same material as the
rib????
Wouldn't electrolysis become an issue long term if you don't???
Also does the small deposits of metal that fall into the rivet hole
when drilling
pose any problems?
Mark Vaughn
-----Original Message-----
From: donghe@one-eleven.net
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rib Stitching
I distinctly remember my old airframe instructor back at Spartan
telling us that
on flat ribs...you stitch em...on round ribs, you rivet em.
I cannot remember if it was a FAA requirement, but the 4113 manual
should give
the answer there. I acknowledge it might not be applicable to
experimental class
birds, but I considered it quite seriously when I built my
wings..after much
rumination,,I considered the history of the riveted round ribs was
plenty good
and the chance at making "puckers" in the fabric around the round rib
with a
stitch caused me to rivet them. I know the puckers wouldnt show after
applying
the wide tape, but the pucker seems like a weakspot in fabric/rib
connection,
and thats what keeps the ribs in column under mucho stresso..
maybe a fella oughta try a test piece of stretched fabric over a round
rib to
get the hang of it before jumping in on a nicely covered wing.
Might cause a man to decide the rivets are acceptable. maybe not
Just a few contributing thoughts..in caseyou have not considered them.
--------
Don G
FireFly#098
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Rivits or Stitching |
| When riveting do you use a rivet made of the same material as the
| rib????
| Wouldn't electrolysis become an issue long term if you don't???
|
| Also does the small deposits of metal that fall into the rivet hole
| when drilling
| pose any problems?
|
| Mark Vaughn
Mark:
All of the problems with riveting fabric were probably worked out
before the FAA put their stamp on it.
I've been flying these "things" with fabric rivets for 23 years. Have
not encountered any problems.
I think it is safe and prudent to use rivets to secure the fabric.
john h
PS: Wonder if bubble gum would work better?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Rivits or Stitching |
In a message dated 1/28/2007 10:53:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
john h
PS: Wonder if bubble gum would work better
John,
Be sure and make sure you chew it long enough to get the sugar
completely out!
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Steel landing gear? Which models? |
>From experience he knew just how much to bend it >>
Hi Richard,
experience is a great thing. I toured a car maker some years ago and
they were straightening drive shafts exactly like that.
These were new shafts, about 5 ft long which connect the engine to the
differential gear box on the back axle. They apparently come from the
forging process with quite a curve on them. Easily discernable to the
naked eye, maybe 1/2 inch or more out of true. The guys were putting
them in a jig which held the ends down, turn the bend to face downwards,
press a pedal and a ram came up from below and pushed the shaft
straight. They just jiggled the shaft and pressed the pedal couple of
times and that was that, straight on to the assembly.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
Re: Push to tallk switch. I have never been able to get my ptt switch
to work with my JPH520 radio. Recently, I was told that my radio may
not have the circuit for a ptt switch. Guess that I should have bought
an Icom.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | EIS to intercom wire |
From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Anyone know what the red/blue wire from the EIS to Intercom system is for? Even
more what it does?
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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From: | "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Speaking of fabric |
How does one avoid a scalloped edge of fabric when folding over and
gluing the final edge of a fabric seam. I start with a clean cut
straight edge of fabric but going up and over any ribs that sit on top
of a tube causes it to look crooked. Their seems to be no way to cut a
crooked line that looks straight until its glued.
Any tricks?
Vic
912 Extra
Maine
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Charlie was nice enough to let me call him and this is what we found.
The micro jack has three separate contacts. The outer one is the red, (push
to talk) the next is the black wire (audio) the last is the green ( ground)
The white wire is not used on the jack. Therefore the red and the green are
connected to the momentary switch in the grip. When the button is pushed the
circuit would be completed. The white and black are connected together and
that allows the microphone to work. If this is not clear, let me know I will
try again.
I joined the areoElectric list to see if they could help me. this is the
reply that I got shown below.
Thanks
Larry, Oregon
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From the AreoElectric list.
Correct. ALL PTT buttons are normally open, momentary
operation.
> When I cut into the wire I find a red, green, white and black wire. The
> red and green show continuity when the button is pushed.
Then use these two wires.
> The white and black also are a closed circuit. I really don't want to
> screw things up, can anybody enlighten me as to the best way to hook this
> up.
Didn't your stick grip come with a schematic? If not,
contact the suppler and suggest that his product is
NOT ready for prime-time until it's shipped with
lucid, tell-all instructions.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
This is from my last email sent to Larry Cottrell, I hope someone can use
the information.
Boyd
I have a cut sheet for antenna's and it says 23.5. The part I am not sure of
is whether the center conductor at 23.5 and the braid pointed the other
direction at 23.5 is the correct way to go. As it is I mounted my old
antenna up on the top of the wind screen close to the wings, and it really
doesn't do that badly. I am going to make one of your antennas and use it on
the portable that I leave with Karen. First however I will try it on the
plane and if it performs better than the outside antenna, I will make
another for the wife.
Thanks
Larry
................
Larry
23.5 would be correct and that is what I have seen in some aircraft
magazines. But it depends on the type of wire you are using.
It seems that every piece of coax has its very own velocity factor
which is stated as .7 .75 .78 .8 etc. the velocity factor is a
percent of the speed of light. If the velocity factor is .9 my antenna
would have to be longer than an antenna of my design with a coax of velocity
factor of .7 that Is why you have to measure the swr or standing wave
ratio in order to properly tune it. In receive it wont make much
difference,,,, but in transmit the worse case is it will over temp the final
transistors and burn them out. To picture what a swr is, tie a rope to a
door knob.( visualize the rope as if it were the antenna) Stand across the
room and pull the rope almost tight and then with a flick of the wrist in an
up and down motion watch the pulse in the rope travel up the rope hit the
far end then come back to your hand. The amount of energy your hand has to
absorb would be absorbed by the final transistors. Now I suppose if you
could get the rope the exact length, when you gave your end a flip, the
pulse would travel up the rope and just as it hit the other end all of the
energy from the flip was used up and nothing come back then the antenna
would be in resonance to the frequency. Now in a rope a longer rope
would use up all the energy, but in a wire antenna longer or shorter will
cause the back lash. A longer coax between the radio and antenna would
just use up energy and be of no use.
For a handheld radio one of the easiest ways to extend the range with a
rubber duck antenna or with an telescopic antenna, { if you use a
telescopic antenna you need to figure the proper distance to telescope it
to} you could go to Ham Radio Outlet hro.com and find what is called a
tiger tail. Basically it is an eyelet with a piece of wire attached to it
that goes under the bnc connector of the antenna, it works the same as the
braid hanging out. Very nice and portable, but if you want an antenna
you can hang in the living room, my diple would work well.
Another antenna you could use at the house would be a J Pole antenna
Hope this diagram works.
.................o..............................
\
........o../
The left side is the top and the right the bottom and can be mounted to a
steel pole or direct buried into the ground. The coax hooks into the
antenna where indicated by the o. it is best if made of or inch
copper pipe. The length of the 2 upper pipes and the exact positioning
of the o is how you tune the antenna. The bottom length can be any
distance. This is a great antenna for outdoors because it is short
circuited to ground in case of lighting strikes.
Boyd
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Subject: | Re: EIS to intercom wire |
From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
FYI,
Talked to Sany at grand rapids today and yes the red/blue wire is a audio warning
input if anything is out of limit. It goes beep beep beep. Rather anoying to
most pilots as she mentioned and most folks dont hook it up however if you acklowdege
the signal the beeping stops but the red light stays on untill things
are within limits. Sandy and the gang at grand rapids are great folks and have
a great sence of humor. I asked Sandy why not have the sexy girl say "Your
to low" or "You have a oil temp out of range" hehe she replied "That girl quit!"
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Well, it certrainly isn't definitive, but it truly focuses on who caused the
problem. It certainly wasn't you, Larry. Bob is right, that info should have
been forthcoming from the manufacturer. If we as consumers don't push back
we will always be left to our own devices to fix what the manufacturer has
left undone. It's one that should be proceeded with. You paid their asking
price and they have let you down. If no one holds their feet to the fire
they will never improve.
Rick
On 1/29/07, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlie England" <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
>
>
> Charlie was nice enough to let me call him and this is what we found.
>
> The micro jack has three separate contacts. The outer one is the red,
> (push
> to talk) the next is the black wire (audio) the last is the green (
> ground)
> The white wire is not used on the jack. Therefore the red and the green
> are
> connected to the momentary switch in the grip. When the button is pushed
> the
> circuit would be completed. The white and black are connected together and
> that allows the microphone to work. If this is not clear, let me know I
> will
> try again.
>
> I joined the areoElectric list to see if they could help me. this is the
> reply that I got shown below.
> Thanks
> Larry, Oregon
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >From the AreoElectric list.
>
> Correct. ALL PTT buttons are normally open, momentary
> operation.
>
> > When I cut into the wire I find a red, green, white and black wire. The
> > red and green show continuity when the button is pushed.
>
> Then use these two wires.
>
> > The white and black also are a closed circuit. I really don't want to
> > screw things up, can anybody enlighten me as to the best way to hook
> this
> > up.
>
> Didn't your stick grip come with a schematic? If not,
> contact the suppler and suggest that his product is
> NOT ready for prime-time until it's shipped with
> lucid, tell-all instructions.
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | APilot(at)webtv.net |
I gave up trying to transmit. I could hear okay with my exterior
antenna, but most could not hear me very good.. Recently, I purchase an
inside antenna from a place in Canada. I think that it is called a
magic air. Anyway, it is suppose to be pre-tuned and is mounted inside
the fiberglass nose cone. If anyone has tried one let me know how it
worked. I will be installing mine and testing it next week. Fingers
are crossed. Vic in Sacramento
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: tank troubles |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> I really don't want to, still trying to follow the KISS principal.
>
>I am at a loss.
>Larry, Oregon
>
>Hi Larry:
>
>I never had an airplane with this "screwy" system of pulling fuel from
>two tanks through one line.
>
>If I did have two tanks, you can be assured I would be pulling from
>the bottom of both into a T. I can assure you you will then be
>getting equal draw from each tank.
>
>There is a neoprene grommet and elbow fitting available from Kolb or
>most any UL parts house for tapping a plastic or metal tank. I have
>used them for many years and many hours with great success.
>
>If you still want to pull fuel from the top of the tank, then tap the
>bottoms, tie them together so gravity can do its job for you.
>
>Why switch back and forth between tanks with your fuel level sender
>when you are working with a flow system that doesn't work logically?
>
>My thoughts for what they are worth. 2 cents.
>
>john h
>mkIII
>
I don't know didly about Kolbs, but most high wing Cessnas with 2 wing
tanks & the selector on 'both' feed unevenly. Others have mentioned
venting issues; that's usually the cause of uneven feeds. It's very
difficult to set up the tank vents where both tanks pressurize evenly.
Add in inadvertent slip angles in flight, slight differences in fuel
line length, routing, etc & It would be more surprising if they *did*
feed evenly. :-)
One technique in the homebuilt community (the Bede BD-4 is a good
example) to work around the problem is to feed both tanks into the top
of a small low mounted 'sump' tank & feed the engine from the bottom of
that tank. Bear in mind that no homebuilt I'm aware of uses a syphon
type feed out of the primary tanks; all draw from the bottom of the tanks.
FWIW,
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: tank troubles |
| Add in inadvertent slip angles in flight, slight differences in
fuel
| line length, routing, etc & It would be more surprising if they
*did*
| feed evenly. :-)
|
| Charlie
Charlie:
Pull the fuel off the bottom of both tanks, siamese the vents to one
line, and I bet the fuel will drain evenly from both tanks.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: EIS to intercom wire |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
With EIS there is no scanning guages, it really lets you give more of your attention
to the scenery outside. I never have to look to see if my oil pressure,
temperature, etc is ok. If anything gets out of range, the flashing red light
along with the flashing number that is out of range gets my attention immidately.
With my luck, the oil pressure would start to fall exactly when I am not
looking at the guage... With an EIS, it gets my attention as soon as it happens.
Talk about taking a load off, not to have to monitor engine instruments,
and spending more time looking outside is what flying a Kolb is all about
:)
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: EIS to intercom wire |
Talk about taking a load off, not to have to monitor engine
instruments, and spending more time looking outside is what flying a
Kolb is all about :)
|
| Michael A. Bigelow
Mike:
A good pilot can scan his gauges in a split second. Learned how to do
that in Primary Training, and can still do it.
Don't think I have lost any time lately enjoying the beautiful places
I get to fly my old bird.
I have flown with the EIS enough to know what I am comfortable with.
Besides, what would I do with my old collections of gauges if I
upgraded to a blinking light and a beeper in my headset?
john h
mkIII Old fashioned, but it still gets away from home occassionally.
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Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Try the .17 HMR. It is a wonderful cat tonic. It is very effective and makes much
less mess than a 12GA. or a .223REM.
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: tank troubles |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> | Add in inadvertent slip angles in flight, slight differences in
>fuel
>| line length, routing, etc & It would be more surprising if they
>*did*
>| feed evenly. :-)
> |
>| Charlie
>
>
>Charlie:
>
>Pull the fuel off the bottom of both tanks, siamese the vents to one
>line, and I bet the fuel will drain evenly from both tanks.
>
>john h
>mkIII
>
It might, but it might not. Some of the previously mentioned Cessnas
have the tank vents siamesed together. They still don't feed evenly.
Charlie
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From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
First things first, cat soup is real good, taste just like rabbit.
Seeing what you have there I don't think you got that big of problem
other than just the pain of doing the repair. The biggest issue is
what kind of color top coat (paint) do you have on the fabric?
If it Aero-thane or enamel it may be more work, if it's Poly-tone, it
shouldn't be as bad. It gets down to if you have to remove the top
coat or if you can glue the repair fabric patch to it, if poly-tone,
it would be easier. As John Hauck indicated, talk to the Millers
about what they suggest to prepare the surface for the patch and what
to use to adhere the patch to the original fabric, poly-tac cement or
poly-brush based upon the type of top coat. Really it's not that
bad. Once you get into it, you'll have it done in no time.
jerb
At 04:45 PM 1/28/2007, you wrote:
>
>I have had an incident with the son-in-laws cats... please don't get
>me started on that.....
>
>See the attached photo. one of them jumped up to get on the wing
>that was hanging in the garage and sliced the fabric.
>
>Question: can these slices be repaired or should i recover the entire wing???
>
>Thanks a bunch...
>
>--------
>The air up there in the clouds is very pure and fine...And why
>shouldn't it be?-
>--It is the same the angels breathe.
> Mark Twain,
> Roughing it' 1886
>
>Mike
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: EIS to intercom wire |
In a message dated 1/29/2007 7:59:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
When do you guys with EIS, audio and video warnings, flashing red
lights, etc., find time to fly the plane?
john h
\
My red light, after about 600 hrs., has neve blinked except for a second when
ai turn it on.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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From: | "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Fw: Speaking of fabric |
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Peters
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: Speaking of fabric
How does one avoid a scalloped edge of fabric when folding over and
gluing the final edge of a fabric seam. I start with a clean cut
straight edge of fabric but going up and over any ribs that sit on top
of a tube causes it to look crooked. Their seems to be no way to cut a
crooked line that looks straight until its glued.
Any tricks?
Vic
912 Extra
Maine
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Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
From: | "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net> |
I think Kolb supplied two designs for the steel legs. A very flexible version
(I think Steve Green has these); and a very stiff, heat treated version which
I think is now the standard. I traded my old aluminum legs to Travis & bought
the new, stiff legs. I installed extensions so they go up to the top of the
"V" in the cage. I had to use carbide bits to drill these. They were very tough.
The deflection is minimal.
See attached pictures for the extensions and the legs.
Rex Rodebush
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
| See attached pictures for the extensions and the legs.
|
| Rex Rodebush
Rex:
I think you may be a bit confused on the steel gear legs.
Normalized 4130 is stiff. When bent, it will remain bent.
Heat treated 4130 is flexible. When bent, it will return to its
original shape. It is now a spring.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
| I think Kolb supplied two designs for the steel legs. | Rex
Rodebush
Rex:
Forgot to mention in previous post.
The heat treated legs will seem very stiff until there is some weight
on them. Once you get the engine, wings, fuel, and your body in the
airplane, the legs will get quite flexible. Without the weight, they
will seem like they will not bend.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
From: | "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net> |
Hi John,
My understanding is that if you take a piece of 4140 normalized and bend it it
will deflect to the yield point and then deform. If you take the same piece and
heat treat it (heat, quench and draw) to a higher yield it will then bend and
deflect but will require a much higher force to bend the same amount and will
therefore be stiffer (and also harder with the higher yield).
If I'm wrong on this let me know.
Rex Rodebush
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
John, One of the things that helped make up my mind to not install the steel
legs is the need to change the wing angle of incidence (according to the TNK
document that came with the legs). Did you do this and if so, how?
Rick
On 1/30/07, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> | I think Kolb supplied two designs for the steel legs. | Rex
> Rodebush
>
>
> Rex:
>
> Forgot to mention in previous post.
>
> The heat treated legs will seem very stiff until there is some weight
> on them. Once you get the engine, wings, fuel, and your body in the
> airplane, the legs will get quite flexible. Without the weight, they
> will seem like they will not bend.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
From: | "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net> |
Rex:
"Forgot to mention in previous post.
The heat treated legs will seem very stiff until there is some weight
on them. Once you get the engine, wings, fuel, and your body in the
airplane, the legs will get quite flexible. Without the weight, they..."
John,
I agree, I think we are saying the same thing.
Also, I did not change the wing incendence. These legs plus the fat tires will
set me up higher so I'm closer to a 3 point stall landing, which I want.
Rex
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From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Several years ago there was a great hue and cry about trimming/
adjusting VHF antennas and their associated transmission lines/coax
for exact SWRs. This so-called "problem" is greatly overrated at the
transmitter power levels found in our powerful 1-5 watters. And the
same obtains with the associated receiver. SWRs of 2:1, even 3:1
won't "blow" the final amp in the xmtr; nor will there be much
perceived loss of rcvr sensitivity. Antenna placement and altitude
are much larger factors.
Bob N.
You are exactly correct with regard to 2 to 1 and a properly tuned
antenna at 1 to 1 in the center of the band will probably have a 2 to 1 at
each end... but 3 to 1 is a stretch for me... and for those who don't
check it.... who knows what it really is.
Boyd
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Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Mike,
Are you sure a cat did this damage? I cant imagine a cats claw ripping the fabric
like that. If so you must have some pretty mean cats sir!
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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From: | kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com |
Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
Yes, the wings are hanging in the garage about 7 feet off the ground. There is
the Son in Law's piano sitting underneath them. (another story) I imagine that
one or both of them tried to jump on the wing and slipped causing the slashes..
The sweet kitties are about 12 lbs each... There are other marks on the
top side, which the photo doesn't show, that is definite Feline sign...
Mike
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From: Paul Petty <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:55:23 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Mike,
Are you sure a cat did this damage? I cant imagine a cats claw ripping the fabric
like that. If so you must have some pretty mean cats sir!
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
| John, One of the things that helped make up my mind to not install
the steel
| legs is the need to change the wing angle of incidence (according to
the TNK
| document that came with the legs). Did you do this and if so, how?
|
| Rick
Rick:
No, I didn't do that. First I heard of it.
My legs and main gear mounts were designed and fabricated by Brother
Jim. I left the incidence per what was called for in the plans.
Would be nice to have less incidence, probably pick up a few mph by
having the tail boom fly straight through the air, rather than at an
angle which increases drag. A little late for that at this time.
Don't want to change windshield, quarter windows, and lift struts.
I am pretty happy with 88 mph at 5,000 rpm empty with 10 gal fuel. Of
course this slows down to around 80 to 85 when I am seriously loaded
to go traveling. Still a decent cruise speed that has proven, if I am
patient, I can get there and get home.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
From: | "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net> |
| John, One of the things that helped make up my mind to not install
the steel
| legs is the need to change the wing angle of incidence (according to
the TNK
| document that came with the legs). Did you do this and if so, how?
|
| Rick
Rick:
No, I didn't do that. First I heard of it.
John / Rick,
kolb is suppling a new rear wing attach fitting that is slightly wider than the
old one. This allows you to add washers on either side to raise or lower the
trailing edge. I wanted these just in case I needed them for fine tuning. I
think they were made so you could compensate for the new gear. Travis could
give you the details.
Rex
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Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
John,
Is that poly tone or areothane? So far I havent had the spots in the cub yellow
areothane.....knock on wood. Hows the mark3 coming along?
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
John C:
You did a good job on the wing repair. Really looks good.
Super important area for proper patching. To lose a patch in that
area in flight would blow all the fabric off the wing.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Mike,
I trust you know what did the damage to the wing but I have a hard time beleving
a cat could do that type of damage. You dont have a pissed off girlfriend of
wife lurking in your shop do you? hehehe
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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From: | "John Cooley" <jcooley380(at)hughes.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... |
Paul,
It is poly tone on the fabric. I have cub yellow areothane on the boom tube
and it has the spots too.
I will probably use the Air Tech system on the MK III based on information I
got from a guy that has done a good many cover jobs.
I know that most folks on here use the poly fiber system and Jim and Dondi
Miller are great folks but my experience with the cub yellow has really
turned me off. It has happened to me on two different planes and I have seen
the same spotting to a lesser degree in other poly fiber cub yellow paint
jobs. Besides, the Air Tech looks like will be easier to apply.
I hope to get started covering the MK III this summer. Speaking of covering
MK III's what weight fabric are you folks using?
Later,
John Cooley
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
John,
Is that poly tone or areothane? So far I havent had the spots in the cub
yellow areothane.....knock on wood. Hows the mark3 coming along?
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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Subject: | Winter flying (need skis) |
Anybody fly in the winter? Any stories or pictures to share?
In N. Idaho, the highs are still below freezing but I still have to get my flyin'
fix. It's harder in the winter, where before you fly you have to plow the
runways, taxiways, and your hangar area. But it's still fun and worthwhile.
For next winter I want to get some skis for my Firefly. Anybody have any recommendations
for what skis to get and where?
Thanks,
Jim
--------
Jim
N. Idaho
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From: | "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: Winter flying (need skis) |
Have Ellery make you a pair of skies, if he doesn't already have some
done.
I've seen them,held them,loved them, strong & light.
Vic
912Extra
Me.
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Subject: | Charles Brown - Kolb Firestar II builder - Tucson, AZ area |
From: | "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com> |
Anybody know a Charles Brown of Tucson, AZ? He built my Kolb Firestar II in 1996/1997.
The telephone listed on the owners manual is no longer valid. I have a
couple of questions I wanted to see if he could answer about my aircraft. Thanks~!
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From: | Flycrazy8(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Tractor Kolb Firefly ? |
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Subject: | Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? |
Well that sure messed with the old CG didn't it HAHAHAHAHA
Mark Vaughn
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Subject: | Re: Winter flying (need skis) |
From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
It looks like you'll need a taller windshield before you'll need skiis. That must
be COLD. :o
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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Subject: | Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? |
From: | Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)juno.com> |
Re: Tractor KOlb
Talked to the fellow who built it some days ago.. St. Louis Area... He
started with a wrecked Kolb MkII . I thought it could have been an Ultra
Star? Herb
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From: | "David Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
Subject: | Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? |
Pictures here:
http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-tractors/
David
On 1/31/07, Herb Gayheart wrote:
>
>
> guys
>
> Bill Bronson is his name..Wrote a vw col. for Experimenter mag as I
> recall..
>
> I think you are correct.. seat tank? He also sells his version of half
> vw plans . That is a half vw on the nose..
>
> There is a half vw on a Kolb Firefly in east tenn. Haven't talked
> with the fellow for a few months..His initial flights were very
> promising.. Likely waiting out the winter before taking to the air
> again..? Engine wt will likely be a bit less than a 447. 94 mm nickasil
> jugs.
>
> I have some ideas for a plane that I will call the "Ultra Fly" .
> Will use a half vw.. Parts from an Ultra Star and a Firefly.. High
> boom and training wheel.. :-) Herb
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Winter flying (need skis) |
It hasn't been too cold but I haven't gone UL flying in < 20 deg F. It's no worse
than snowmobiling. The hardest part is getting everything prepared. Once
your sitting in the cockpit the hard part is over and the fun begins. But I
definitelly need a full enclosure!
Why is Ellery? How do I contact him re skis?
Thanks,
Jim
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Jim
N. Idaho
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From: | "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: Winter flying (need skis) |
ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Subject: | Re: Speaking of fabric |
From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Use chalk line. Snap a line to glue up to, and snap and trim the edge that you
are going to be gluing down. Leave yourself enough slack that the ribs won't
scallop the edge. I learned this while helping Larry Cottrell cover his firestar.
When I built my firestar, I thought I was doing a better job by pulling
all the slack out of the fabric as I glued. When it came time to shrink, I was
unable to use much heat on the ailerons and tail surfaces without bending the
tubes. We left more slack on Larrys and it came out nice- tight fabric, straight
tubes.
After you snap your trim line, paint a thin strip of poly tack over the chalk line.
This way all of the threads will stay in place after cutting and you will
have a nice clean seam.
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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Subject: | Re: La Jolla/glider port |
In a message dated 1/24/2007 12:08:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rp3420(at)freescale.com writes:
George/Gang,
I grew up in North San Diego county in a little town called Rancho
Bernardo/Poway area during the 70's and 80's. Back then "Blacks Beach" was the
nude
bathing beach for the San Diego area. As a surfing youth, inexplicably the
rip tides would suddenly and forcefully push us over to the Black Beach surf.
I think I spent more time on the beach and surf then I did up on the cliffs
flying RC gliders.
George, one could appreciate the challenge mother nature there........I know
I did......and I'm not talking about the surf, or soaring either. ;O)
Tim
FSII
which reminds me when my wife barb and I went there 20 years or so ago, I
was utterly amazed at the wonder of the winds and high altitude of the cliffs
off of which people such as myself.... I considered myself as normal people
then..... were willfully jumping off the cliffs seemingly into the pacific
ocean. Of course they were immediately lifted before our eyes up as soon as
they launched themselves, above the lip of the cliff in an august ascension that
defied earthly description.
It was from this joyous scene that my pioneering spirit caused me to
meander to an area of the cliff that was cordoned off in fear that the cliff
would
take whatever was on it and deposit it abruptly 500 feet down into the
ocean. My wife called out in fear that I might disappear forever before the death
certificate was properly filled out, that I was on unhallowed ground, and
that my life was in danger. I peered over the cliff to the ground and yelled
back to her that I thought that I saw a nude man walking down the beach in a
black hat only.
Before I had pronounced "black hat" I felt her brushing my arm, with neck
craned, asking expectantly ....."where is he?"
I guess she showed her pioneering spirit too.
This happened before I purchased my Kolb Firestar KX......long ago.
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From: | "David Kulp" <undoctor(at)rcn.com> |
Dennis, Tucson's pretty far from the canyon, but do you know if Kolb Rd.
has anything to do with the Kolb brothers who explored the Grand Canyon
and then wrote books and set up a photographer's shop virtually on the
canyon wall? I have a couple of their works and a DVD about them. They
were a couple of crazy guys!!! I first learned of them from a movie at
the Imax Theatre on the South Rim on a 'cycle trip out there. If you
haven't seen it and it's still playing, there's some incredible footage
re-creating their early 20th century excursion down the Colorado River
through the Canyon (before the dams); an adventure that a couple of
members who didn't do well with the extreme risk, quit to try to return
to civilization and were never heard from again. An ultralight was used
for a lot of the film making (but I don't know if was a Kolb). The
Kolb's studio is still in use as a shop and, I think, a museum.
Thanks a bunch for the local insight, Dennis. Cuz says there are
airplanes almost as far as you can see.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
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From: | ElleryWeld(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Winter flying (need skis) |
I only slide the wheels on to make it easier to drag the firestar into the
trailer
If anyone on the list wants measurements and or -Details email me off list
I
would gladly get that info to you so you can do some winter flying also
Rear View of right ski with wheel
Front view of left ski with wheel
Left view with wheels on
Left side view without wheels
Pleas archive
Ellery
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From: | "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Ultralight flying |
The field you guys are referring to is Deer Park Airport. This is where I
trained back in 1995 with Dan Nixon, in his Quicksilver MXII. He kept it
at Andy Knapp's farm, just off Argonne Rd, north of the eastern edge of
Spokane.
Once in awhile we would drop in to Mead Airstrip (which wouldn't surprise
me a bit if it's a housing area now). But mostly, we did touch and goes,
etc. at Deer Park. They had TWO runways. The North/South runway was for
regular airplanes, and the (Closed) runway that was East/West was used by
the U/L crowd.
Mike in Utah, formerly from N. Idaho.
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From: | "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
The weight the Kolb's use is the 2.7 oz. "medium weight" polyfiber.
Mike in Utah
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From: | "tc1917" <tc1917(at)hughes.net> |
Got a call from my local marine dealer where I just purchased a navman flow
meter complete. He got it from wisconsin or somewhere. I posted that he
had access to one more. He talked to someone on the list who was interested
and would call back. he went ahead and got it sent to his marina. wants
the caller to know he will have it tuesday or wednesday next week and ready
for the deal. if you are the person, please call him back to verify the
purchase. if not, it will go someplace else. probably the last one out
there. not a bad price considering someone else is putting a label on it
and selling for twice the amount. if he doesnt call back, I will let the
list know and someone else will buy it. ted cowan, alabama. if he lost the
number it is 1--334-298-1313 or 1-334-298-8282. Now, I must add here that
he wont know who it is that calls and buys it, so it is kinda up for grabs
to the first one who calls him. I think itis $153 plus shipping.
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Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 01/31/07 |
Have changed my email address. Please send mail to _rmerb(at)rochester.rr.com_
(mailto:rmerb(at)rochester.rr.com) Thank you
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From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Fabric weight |
>
>
> The weight the Kolb's use is the 2.7 oz. "medium weight" polyfiber.
>Mike in Utah
>
Mike,
1.7 oz fabric is used to cover the FireFly.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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From: | "David Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net> |
Subject: | Re: Ultralight flying |
No Mike, I used to work at Deer Park Airport, an ex-Military field... The
strip I flew from was private property with several ultralights based
there...
DVD
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Subject: | Re: Winter flying (need skis) |
How much does each ski weigh? Do you make yours out of square aluminum
tubing?
>
> I only slide the wheels on to make it easier to drag the firestar into the
> trailer
> If anyone on the list wants measurements and or Details email me off list
> I
> would gladly get that info to you so you can do some winter flying also
>
> Rear View of right ski with wheel
>
> Front view of left ski with wheel
>
> Left view with wheels on
>
> Left side view without wheels
>
> Pleas archive
>
> Ellery
>
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From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic?
Do you still have them?
Pic?
Denny Rowe
rowedenny(at)windstream.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my
horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear
legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going
to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Rex,
I have always used aluminum gear legs. I have bent one set in about 500
hours. Those were bent about 30 seconds after a rod bearing failed in a
582. I was over Tellico lake when the engine failed and used up all of my
excess air speed to clear a line of trees that was between me and the field
I was going to land in. After clearing the trees I was about 3 knots above
stall speed.....not enough to flare for a good landing.
Steven Green
>
> I think Kolb supplied two designs for the steel legs. A very flexible
version (I think Steve Green has these); and a very stiff, heat treated
version which I think is now the standard. I traded my old aluminum legs to
Travis & bought the new, stiff legs. I installed extensions so they go up
to the top of the "V" in the cage. I had to use carbide bits to drill
these. They were very tough. The deflection is minimal.
>
> See attached pictures for the extensions and the legs.
>
> Rex Rodebush
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Are "these"
----- Original Message -----
From: Denny Rowe
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic?
Do you still have them?
Pic?
Denny Rowe
rowedenny(at)windstream.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my
horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear
legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going
to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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Subject: | Mark 111 in Albuquerque |
From: | "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
<< I'm going to be in Albuquerque, NM from the 1st to the 5th of Feb. -
John Murphy >>
John - Sorry for the late answer. I keep my Mark-III at Sandia Airpark,
about 25 miles east of Albuquerque. I'd offer to take you for a demo
ride in it, but, unfortunately, I can't even get my plane out of the
hangar!
With all the recent snow here in central New Mexico lately, there is a
berm of snow at the base of my hangar doors three feet high, that has
settled & frozen into a wall of solid ice. Went to fly last week, and I
could not even get into my hangar without using a jackhammer to break
the ice. Could not budge the doors.
The frustrating part is, the doors of the hangars across the taxiway
from me are completely clear of snow, as they are south facing. (My
door, as luck would have it, faces north.)
Join us at Monument Valley this coming May - we'll get you some time in
a two-seater Kolb!
Dennis Kirby
waiting for warmer weather, in
Cedar Crest, NM
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
All, The first two of the registrations came back today just 15 days after
being sent. Neither were for either Kolb or the new trike, but not a bad
turn around for a government agency. Maybe it's because I live 140 miles
from OK City, or I held my mouth right, who knows. Ironic that we're now 365
days from the deadline. Hopefully the others will come tomorrow.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Flying fields in WA |
To David Lehman,
By any chance, is the place you're referring to a farm, north of
Spokane. There was a place where about 6-7 ultralights were parked out by
the road near a big oak tree, and flew off a 300' grass strip behind the
house. This is (was?) Andy Knapp's place. I flew from there, too.
Mike in Utah
_________________________________________________________________
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Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
From: | "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net> |
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rex,
I have always used aluminum gear legs. I have bent one set in about 500
hours. Those were bent about 30 seconds after a rod bearing failed in a
582. I was over Tellico lake when the engine failed and used up all of my
excess air speed to clear a line of trees that was between me and the field
I was going to land in. After clearing the trees I was about 3 knots above
stall speed.....not enough to flare for a good landing.
Steven Green
----------------------------------------------------------
Thanks Steve,
I'm getting old and confused. I believe that TNK supplied some steel legs for
the Mark III a few years ago that were very soft and springy as compaired to the
new ones; and for some reason I thought you had them.............I may be wrong
about the legs also. Anyone know for sure?
Rex
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From: | "John Cooley" <jcooley380(at)hughes.net> |
Thanks for the info. I think they used to send the light weight fabric with
the MK III kits, but it just seems like it would need the medium weight
fabric, at least on the wings.
Later,
John Cooley
The weight the Kolb's use is the 2.7 oz. "medium weight" polyfiber.
Mike in Utah
--
2:28 PM
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Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
They did sell springy ones. I have a set that I am saving for the time when I trash
my aluminum gear legs.
Here is what they look like:
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Rex & Richard
I have a set of those gear legs installed in my VW powered MKIIIc. They are
indeed springy. When you land hard with a bit too much airspeed you will
find yourself 10ft in the air with very little airspeed. A blast of power
fixes the next landing. These gear have I would guess the third most air
miles as any Kolb. I bought them from ??? in Hawaii. He sold them because
they were too springy. Personally I think they are just right. When everyone
at Oshkosh is grumbling about how rough the ground is I just say "is it? I
can't really tell".
There are two things I would recommend doing to the gear before installing
them. These are the same gear that the Old Kolb sold but they welded a steel
tube 6 to 8 inches long on the end to carry the bending load further up into
the landing gear sockets. I would weld that same tube on. The next thing
would be to bend the gear down a bit to make the wheels run more vertical
(is that camber?). They squat a bit when the plane is loaded.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
>
> They did sell springy ones. I have a set that I am saving for the time
> when I trash my aluminum gear legs.
> Here is what they look like:
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92258#92258
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020769_large_166.jpg
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Not Kolb Related, but worth the time to read. (SR-71 |
Blackbird)
I'm very happy that you did send it. Thanks!
>
> SR71 - Speed is King
> An excerpt from "Sled Driver" by Brian Shul
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From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Anyone heard from our Kolb brothers and sisters in FL? They got hit hard last night.
The Villages got hit bad. I pray all are well.
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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Subject: | Re: Not Kolb Related, but worth the time to read. (SR-71 |
Blackbird)
Thanks so much for posting this! It's great.
>
> SR71 - Speed is King
> An excerpt from "Sled Driver" by Brian Shul
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Subject: | Re: Not Kolb Related, but worth the time to read. (SR-71 B |
From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
I like the one where the blackbird request clearnce to FL 600. Center replies "Sure
but how do you plan to climb to FL600?" Blackbird comes back "we dont we
wish to desend to FL600"!
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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Subject: | Re: florida kolbers |
In a message dated 2/2/2007 12:13:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
paulpetty(at)myway.com writes:
Anyone heard from our Kolb brothers and sisters in FL? They got hit hard
last night. The Villages got hit bad. I pray all are well.
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
I am the closest, Rich Swiderski is second...and both of us are
fine....missed me by 4 miles as it skimmed the southern end of the 10 mile villages.
George Randolph
Firestar driver form the Villages
firestar KX...447/ 3 blade Ivo...still dormant....momentarily
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Subject: | Re: florida kolbers |
From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Excellant George! Glad you guys are ok. What about the Florida Flying Gator Airpark?
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92380#92380
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Subject: | Florida Kolbers... |
In a message dated 2/2/2007
Anyone heard from our Kolb brothers and sisters in FL? They got hit hard
last night. The Villages got hit bad. I pray all are well.
--------
all ok near Sebring, FL sure bad up North near Orlando. Just rain here
and some wind.
Jim Swan firestar ll rotax 503
.jim swan 10809 U S Hwy 27 South (Lake Josephine RV park. lot 28) ph
863-655-1535
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Colder than a well digger's knee caps here, I woosed out last night, but got
a picture today. Still in TNK tape and factory insert up to here lines.
Rick
On 2/1/07, Denny Rowe wrote:
>
> Are "these"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Denny Rowe
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
>
> Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic?
> Do you still have them?
> Pic?
> Denny Rowe
> rowedenny(at)windstream.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Richard Girard
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
>
> When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible
> landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that
> I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them.
> $350 for the pair, plus shipping.
>
> Rick
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport.
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM
>
> *
>
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> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: 1/31/2007 3:16 PM
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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Subject: | Re: Stainless steel tangs |
Scott,
They are pretty easy to drill, Just make sure to clamp it down good, they
have a habit of grabbing the bit.
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Are these set up for Matco brakes?
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Colder than a well digger's knee caps here, I woosed out last night,
but got a picture today. Still in TNK tape and factory insert up to here
lines.
Rick
On 2/1/07, Denny Rowe wrote:
Are "these"
----- Original Message -----
From: Denny Rowe
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic?
Do you still have them?
Pic?
Denny Rowe
rowedenny(at)windstream.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my
horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear
legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going
to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Had to dig out my receipt to get the answer to this one. Yes, I really don't
like Azusa brakes, although that's what's on my plane now.
Rick
On 2/2/07, Denny Rowe wrote:
>
> Are these set up for Matco brakes?
> Denny Rowe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Richard Girard
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 02, 2007 7:36 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
>
> Colder than a well digger's knee caps here, I woosed out last night, but
> got a picture today. Still in TNK tape and factory insert up to here lines.
>
> Rick
>
> On 2/1/07, Denny Rowe wrote:
>
> > Are "these"
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Denny Rowe
> > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
> >
> > Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic?
> > Do you still have them?
> > Pic?
> > Denny Rowe
> > rowedenny(at)windstream.net
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Richard Girard
> > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM
> > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
> >
> > When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible
> > landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that
> > I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them.
> > $350 for the pair, plus shipping.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > --
> > Rick Girard
> > "Ya'll drop on in"
> > takes on a whole new meaning
> > when you live at the airport.
> >
> > *
> >
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> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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> > http://forums.matronics.com
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM
> >
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> > Date: 1/31/2007 3:16 PM
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: 2/1/2007 2:28 PM
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | Malcolmbru(at)aol.com |
elery I sent the plans out earler this week mal
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From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
At 12:05 AM 2/3/2007, you wrote:
>Thanks, Whats the Bill on it and where do you want a check sent to
>
>Ellery
Just make it out to "C. Ash"
Send to P.O. Box 365,
Hahira, Georgia.
We love ya & we need ya
- thanks.
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From: | Malcolmbru(at)aol.com |
any body want a set of float plans??? they are not that expensive to build
andthey are less than $500 each you can pay as you go . malcolm. michigan.
old kolb flyer
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From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Richard,
E-mail me off list so I have your address and phone #, I am leaning
toward buying your gear legs for spares but have to talk it over with my
partner Jay first.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Had to dig out my receipt to get the answer to this one. Yes, I really
don't like Azusa brakes, although that's what's on my plane now.
Rick
On 2/2/07, Denny Rowe wrote:
Are these set up for Matco brakes?
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Colder than a well digger's knee caps here, I woosed out last
night, but got a picture today. Still in TNK tape and factory insert up
to here lines.
Rick
On 2/1/07, Denny Rowe wrote:
Are "these"
----- Original Message -----
From: Denny Rowe
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic?
Do you still have them?
Pic?
Denny Rowe
rowedenny(at)windstream.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by
my horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel
gear legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not
going to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "Marshall" <fireflyaircraft(at)att.net> |
Hi Kolbers,
Even thought I am working on a Firefly and trying to keep it legal, I think that the Grove aircraft landing gear system is worth a look for most aircraft applications. http://www.groveaircraft.com/index.html
http://www.groveaircraft.com/landing_gear.html
Also take a look at the http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-design-gear.html spring landing drop test curiosity of http://www.zenithair.com/ (a great aircraft and design).
Thank you, Marshall Watkins
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
A really nice wheel and brake system for the Firefly and other Kolbs is available from www.flyfbi.com
It is an overlooked option that is better than anything I have seen. I don't need
wheels or brakes so I have not tried it.
Steve
FF 007 on floats
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From: fireflyaircraft(at)att.net
Sent: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:01 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Landing Gear
Hi Kolbers,
Even thought I am working on a Firefly and trying to keep it legal, I think that
the Grove aircraft landing gear system is worth a look for most aircraft
applications. http://www.groveaircraft.com/index.html
http://www.groveaircraft.com/landing_gear.html
Also take a look at the http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-design-gear.html
spring landing drop test curiosity of http://www.zenithair.com/ (a great
aircraft and design).
Thank you, Marshall Watkins
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From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
Kolbers
I saw some recent posts about taking lumbar supports from car seats &
installing them in a Kolb -- great idea for long flights. But I got
to thinking -- many car seats now are HEATED by a 12-volt system. Now
that's either luxurious, pampering, overkill, sensible, whatever --
but it would be easy to do & would feel SO good on a cold morning or
night flight. There are tons of Subaru's around, & most any junkyard
should have one or two. Others, like Volvo';s, may be harder to find.
I can't see any dangers here.
Worth a try?
Russ Kinne
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From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
>Even thought I am working on a Firefly and trying to keep it legal, I think that the Grove aircraft landing gear system is worth a look for most aircraft applications. http://www.groveaircraft.com/index.html
> http://www.groveaircraft.com/landing_gear.html
>
Marshall,
If you are trying to save some weight, stay with the Kolb aluminum legs. I
weighed one and it came out to 2 pounds 6.6 ounces.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
the Grove aircraft landing gear system is worth a look for most
aircraft applications. http://www.groveaircraft.com/index.html
| Thank you, Marshall Watkins
Hi Marshall:
Looked at a lot of different gear legs for Kolbs since 1984. Spring
aluminum gear was one of them. However, there are cheaper and better
ways to go. Aluminum can only be hardened to 7075 (correct me if I am
wrong), ends up weighing a ton, and very expensive.
I use tubular 4130 heat treated to 48 RC. Have been flying with it
for 20 years and many thousand hours. Has been thoroughly proven
through many thousands of landings. A lot of them not too purty.
Some folks say aluminum is better because it will not tear up the
fuselage during a hard landing. I have been able to tear up fuselage
with aluminum as well as steel. If you hit hard enough you will
probably bend the cage with either.
Tubular steel is much lighter than the Grove gear. 25 to 35 lbs is
heavy. I think, IIRC, when we built the steel gear for my mkIII, it
was the same weight as the solid rod aluminum legs.
For what it is worth,
john h
mkIII
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 03:27 PM 2/3/2007, russ kinne wrote:
>...many car seats now are HEATED by a 12-volt system....it would be easy
>to do & would feel SO good on a cold morning or
>night flight....
How 'bout heated clothing (popular with the motorcycle crowd):
http://www.gerbing.com/
Or, for the do it yourselfer:
http://home.mebtel.net/~rbutterfield/Heat.html and
http://www.shadowriders.org/faq/electricvests.html
-Dana
--
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Wernher von Braun settled for a V-2 instead of a V-8.
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| How 'bout heated clothing (popular with the motorcycle crowd):
|
| -Dana
|
Dana:
I have been using a Chilli Vest, 12VDC, digital electronic thermostat,
water proof, since 2000. Made 2.5 flight to the Arctic with it.
Works great on the 912ULS electrical system. Keeps me nice and warm
without all the bulky clothing I wore on previous Arctic trips.
Available at Sargeants Cycle Parts:
http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
john h
mkIII
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
At 03:34 PM 2/3/2007, John Hauck wrote:
>
>...Aluminum can only be hardened to 7075 (correct me if I am
>wrong), ends up weighing a ton, and very expensive...
7075 isn't a hardness level, it's an alloy. The hardness spec is a dash
number, e.g. 7075-T6. I don't have the numbers handy but 7075 (at any heat
treat level) is quite strong, nearly as strong as unhardened 4130, but it's
susceptible to stress corrosion cracking (cracks start around holes in
stressed areas, or from scratches or nicks). Aluminum has a better
strength to weight ratio than steel, but it's more difficult to weld and
repair (some alloys can't be welded at all).
>Some folks say aluminum is better because it will not tear up the
>fuselage during a hard landing. I have been able to tear up fuselage
>with aluminum as well as steel. If you hit hard enough you will
>probably bend the cage with either.
Exactly. The ideal gear, I guess, is just slightly weaker than the
fuselage attachments.
One advantage (which could also be a disadvantage depending on the
situation) aluminum does have is that the modulus of elasticity is 1/3 that
of steel... which means that all other things being equal it'll flex
farther than steel of comparable strength before breaking (or staying bent).
-Dana
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Wernher von Braun settled for a V-2 instead of a V-8.
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From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
Wouldn't "1/3 that of steel" mean exactly opposite of what you said?
The modulus of elasticity of steel is greater than aluminum?
,
On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
> One advantage (which could also be a disadvantage depending on the
> situation) aluminum does have is that the modulus of elasticity is
> 1/3 that of steel... which means that all other things being equal
> it'll flex farther than steel of comparable strength before
> breaking (or staying bent).
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
| That's what I said... aluminum's modulus is 1/3 that of steel;
steel has 3X
| the modulus of aluminum... |
| -Dana
Sorry.
You guys are way over my head. I don't know one modulus from the
other, but my gear works great. Been there and done that.
I do know that 4130 makes a hell of a better spring than 7075-T6. We
adjust the size, shape, and hardness to get the spring we want. I can
do that with 4130, but not 7075.
Steel springs are much more common than aluminum springs. Wonder how
come?
john h
mkIII
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From: | Malcolmbru(at)AOL.COM |
I have been building the Zenair 950 LB float the plans are not in
publication any longer. I got mine from a kit fix flyer in Texas it includes
550,750
950 and 1150 it is a nice float, all allouminom.I sent a set to another
kolber this week. he is a machinist and may start building a set of retracts
systems from the plans. if anyone want's to take a set of plans and clean them
up that would be great. they need a lot of work to bring them up to a
modern standerd most mesurments are in metric malcolm michigan
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Steve et al,
I have looked at the FBI Black Max brakes online, but haven't talked to anyone
who has used them or even seen them first hand. Have you got a chance to look
at them in person? They sound great and the price is right. I down-loaded their
installation manual and like the well thought out instructions and photos.
Has anyone on the list seen a set of these? AC Spruce is listing them on their
web site.
Brakeless in Oregon
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
At 10:01 PM 2/3/2007, R. Hankins wrote:
>
>Steve et al,
>I have looked at the FBI Black Max brakes online, but haven't talked to
>anyone who has used them or even seen them first hand. Have you got a
>chance to look at them in person?
I have them on my Ultrastar. I haven't flown or even taxied the plane yet
so I can't comment on their performance, but from an engineering standpoint
they look very good, and the previous owner was happy with them. Mine are
set up as heel brakes (just the way I like it) with two master cylinders.
Company service is good though; the 6" wide wheels that came with the plane
(included with the brake package) were too wide for the plane to fit in the
trailer, so I got a pair of 4" wide wheels from FBI and the plane now
fits. I do get the impression (could be wrong) that it's a one man shop;
all my emails to him were answered in the evening.
-Dana
--
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Wernher von Braun settled for a V-2 instead of a V-8.
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
All, I have them on my trike, and for that application they work just fine.
They are certainly better than the nose wheel brake that was standard
equipment.
For airplanes, they lack the ability to brake differentially unless you add
a second master cylinder as Dana has done. By the time you add that and the
necessary components to enable it, I would bet they are a wash with the
other sets ou there, pricewise.
Have you checked out the system offered by TNK? Very high quality, the usual
great service and you get what no other vendor can offer, i.e the experience
of Travis, Donnie and the crew at TNK.
If you're not absolutely wedded to juice brakes, the Azusa mechanical units
are impossible to beat for cost. I have the 4 1/2" units on my Mk 3 and they
are quite adequate.
Rick
On 2/4/07, Dana Hague wrote:
>
>
> At 10:01 PM 2/3/2007, R. Hankins wrote:
> >
> >Steve et al,
> >I have looked at the FBI Black Max brakes online, but haven't talked to
> >anyone who has used them or even seen them first hand. Have you got a
> >chance to look at them in person?
>
> I have them on my Ultrastar. I haven't flown or even taxied the plane yet
> so I can't comment on their performance, but from an engineering
> standpoint
> they look very good, and the previous owner was happy with them. Mine are
> set up as heel brakes (just the way I like it) with two master cylinders.
>
> Company service is good though; the 6" wide wheels that came with the
> plane
> (included with the brake package) were too wide for the plane to fit in
> the
> trailer, so I got a pair of 4" wide wheels from FBI and the plane now
> fits. I do get the impression (could be wrong) that it's a one man shop;
> all my emails to him were answered in the evening.
>
> -Dana
>
> --
> --
> Wernher von Braun settled for a V-2 instead of a V-8.
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
In a message dated 2/3/2007 10:02:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rphanks(at)grantspass.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins"
Steve et al,
I have looked at the FBI Black Max brakes online, but haven't talked to
anyone who has used them or even seen them first hand. Have you got a chance
to
look at them in person? They sound great and the price is right. I
down-loaded their installation manual and like the well thought out instructions
and
photos. Has anyone on the list seen a set of these? AC Spruce is listing
them on their web site.
Brakeless in Oregon
I spotted the brakes at SNF last year and dragged Bryan,Travis and Bruce
down to look at them. Everyone was impressed with the design, weight and cost.
Travis was going to handle them and I believe that he ordered some. I will
check with Travis on Monday.
In my opinion, the biggest plus was the weight or lack of, if you look at
the whole package. This really helps make weight in the Firefly. It also gives
you more tire. Kinda a cross between the stock baby tires and the overkill of
a wheelbarrow tire.
Also, you are right about the size of the company. It is two guys that
design medical equipment if I recall.
They use Cad and have access to the best machining equipment.
BEST TIRE BRAKE COMBO I have seen.
Hmm mm, maybe I can strap some on the bottom of my floats!!
Steve
Wheeless in the Water
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Monument Valley 2007 |
Morning Gang:
Looks like the Red Bull Air Race Schedule is finally posted on their
web page. The North American race will be held 12 May 2007. However,
I was not able to find out where in North America it was being held.
So..........doesn't look like it will affect out flyin the following
weekend at MV.
Take care,
john h
mkIII that needs a new engine and some flight time.
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From: | Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)juno.com> |
Guys
do not forget that Shimano Mountain bike brakes, or some other brand ,
6 inch stainless disks, are very servicable for the Firefly and likely
the Firestar... Very light also.. Herb
In a message dated 2/3/2007 10:02:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rphanks(at)grantspass.com writes:
Steve et al,
I have looked at the FBI Black Max brakes online, but haven't talked to
anyone who has used them or even seen them first hand. Have you got a
chance to look at them in person? They sound great and the price is
right. I down-loaded their installation manual and like the well thought
out instructions and photos. Has anyone on the list seen a set of these?
AC Spruce is listing them on their web site.
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From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
In a message dated 2/4/2007 7:07:32 A.M. Central Standard Time,
d-m-hague(at)comcast.net writes:
I have them on my Ultrastar. I haven't flown or even taxied the plane yet
so I can't comment on their performance, but from an engineering standpoint
they look very good, and the previous owner was happy with them. Mine are
set up as heel brakes (just the way I like it) with two master cylinders.
Company service is good though; the 6" wide wheels that came with the plane
(included with the brake package) were too wide for the plane to fit in the
trailer, so I got a pair of 4" wide wheels from FBI and the plane now
fits. I do get the impression (could be wrong) that it's a one man shop;
all my emails to him were answered in the evening.
-Dana
Dana,
Any idea what the brake set up along with the master cylinder and
calipers weighs?
Ed (in Houston FF #62)
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
At 04:31 PM 2/4/2007, DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote:
> Any idea what the brake set up along with the master cylinder and
> calipers weighs?
Never having seen the package off the plane, I couldn't say... but it sure
doesn't look like it's more than a few pounds:
http://flyfbi.com/html/hydraulic_brakes.html
-Dana
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From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Builders,
Did you guys EVER think you would finish shooting ploy spray? Sheesh two days and
I still have the wings. [Shocked]
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey John,
It is colder in good old Pennsylvania Kolb country tonight than it is
in Barrow Alaska ! ! !
On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:08 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> I have been using a Chilli Vest, 12VDC, digital electronic thermostat,
> water proof, since 2000. Made 2.5 flight to the Arctic with it.
> Works great on the 912ULS electrical system. Keeps me nice and warm
> without all the bulky clothing I wore on previous Arctic trips.
>
> Available at Sargeants Cycle Parts:
>
> http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
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From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed |
Fire- Flyers,
Has anyone done any research or testing or even guessing as to what RPMs
give the most economy and most range with a 66" Ivo and a 447 on the Firefly?
Best I can tell my range is no more than about 50 to 54 miles on 4.5
gallons. Any one do any better than that on a 5 gallon tank? I could find nothing
on the subject in the Archives .
Ed ( in Houston where it is starting to Dry out a little)
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Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed |
From: | Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)juno.com> |
Ed
I fly with a two blade 62 inch ivo with minimum pitch..Have a points
447--came brand new with the second hand kit.. Never could get the engine
to swing a three blade 66 inch ivo... no matter the pitch.. Std jets...
Flies very satisfactorily on the 62 incher... here are some log book
entries... have hobbs..meter.. 62 miles 1.5 hours... 4 take offs and
landings..:-) 3.05 gals and 62 miles... 7-3-2006 another.... Home
to Glasgow to Hodgenville to Glasgow to home... 132.4 miles 6.25 gals.
Flew with another Firefly and likely spent most of our time at 5200 rpms?
I like to run abt 5800 rpms.. 8-19-2006.. nuther.... home to
Glasgow to Rough River state park(ky state EAA flyin) to Glasgow to
home... 3.20 hours---8.9 gals 173 miles.. spent abt 10 miles dodging
storm.... 9-9-2006... lastly home to No Bob to Wildwood to Welcome to
home... 2 hours... 5.5 gals 106 miles... 10-7-2006..
Looks as if I burn in the nieghborhood of 2.2 to 2.75 gals an hour..
average abt 20 mpg.. Herb
Fire- Flyers,
Has anyone done any research or testing or even guessing as to what
RPMs give the most economy and most range with a 66" Ivo and a 447 on the
Firefly? Best I can tell my range is no more than about 50 to 54 miles
on 4.5 gallons. Any one do any better than that on a 5 gallon tank? I
could find nothing on the subject in the Archives .
Ed ( in Houston where it is starting to Dry out a little)
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Subject: | Re: Ignition noise leaks |
From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
Re: Ignition noise leaks
This one caught me once. When I changed engines I ran into radio problems as well
as a tach problem. Since I had a new engine I put a new tach on it. Well,
the tach didn't work too well so I sent it off to Westach and they tested it.
It was fine. They asked me if my engine was grounded to the airframe and it
turns out it wasn't.
Once I grounded my engine and all the shields from the wires to a central point
on the airframe, my tach worked great and the radio noise was much reduced.
By the way Westach charged me $0.00 and paid the shipping to return my tach to
me.
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
Talked to Travis this morning.
He has two set of the Black Max in stock and has sold several sets.
All good comments have come back
Steve
Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch!
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From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Mike,
I had to do the same thing to keep up with how many coats i had done and what was
the last pass. with 9 control surfaces it gets cofusing. However Im out of
the woods now and only have the wings left! :D
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
John C,
Do other systems you have looked at have a way around the silver?
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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From: | "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us> |
Anyone know what thickness lexan is on the Slingshot windshield?
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Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed |
So Mike, what are the numbers?
>
> I have a Fuel Flow meter / Fuel gauge , I switch over to see the fuel
> flow alot....I'm suprised how high it can get....When I'm cruising I check
> to see if I'm pushing it too much....Backing off the throttle "just a
> little" can really save the fuel
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From: | "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
Subject: | such a nice day for flying |
Looks really neat up there! hope I can fly there one day. I can't go
anywhere where I don't see powerlines and fences everywhere and that's once
I get out of the city(45 minutes of flight time)...
Tommorow is going to be 69 degrees (Texas). I called the boss and said I'm
not going to be able to make it. First flight of 2007.
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From: | "John Cooley" <jcooley380(at)hughes.net> |
Paul,
Below is a description of the process and the gentleman's thoughts on the
covering systems. I'm not trying to steer anyone one way or the other, but
if I have to spend a few more bucks to save a lot of time in the covering
process, I think that is good trade off. The Slingshot mentioned was covered
with the poly fiber process and was a Oshkosh grand champion. I'm sure he
won many other awards with it too so he can make a good comparison between
the two systems.
I also am attaching a couple of pictures that he sent me of the Decathlon
completed with the Airtech system.
Another thing that is a problem here in the south is the humidity.
Supposedly the Airtech system is fairly immune to blushing etc. so you don't
have to add special agents to the paint to reduce blushing.
Take care,
John Cooley
Quote:
[I've covered numerous planes since the SlingShot and have tried different
processes. The one I've chosen for now is the Airtech System. You cover the
structure same as stits but you don't brush on the poly brush. You simply
spray on two coats of their primer, let set overnight and sand, spray one
more coat, let set for a couple of days then spray your color. Much less
steps than stits with as good or better results. Only downside is it's a
little more expensive but you trade time for money. My Decathlon came out
beautiful, I flew it to Evergreen as soon as I finished it to get it judged
but there was no class to enter it in. Contemporary was the newest class and
it only went to 1967 year model. Mine was a 1975 model. All the judges were
overwhelmed so they gave me an award anyway, It was called a "Chick Torbett
Workmanship Award" which was supposed to come out of the classes judged. I
think they ruffled a few feathers but all agreed to give me the award. I was
pretty proud after all that work. I seen John H. down there but Mrs P'fer
was down in the tail. He seem pretty impressed with my bird. Go to
Airtechcoatings.com and read about it. We've done several Stearman's with it
and had good results.]
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: painting
John C,
Do other systems you have looked at have a way around the silver?
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed |
Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 that
you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may be
increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings?
steve
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed |
| Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below
5800 that
| you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may
be
| increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings?
|
| steve
|
Morning Steve:
I have, but the majority of the Kolb List wants to make JD tractors
out of them. Something about wearing them out sooner if you turn more
rpm, even though the engine was designed to cruise at 5,800 rpm and
above. It is a continuous duty engine that does much better at or
above 5,800 rpm. Without going back to look it up, the engine is
capable of 6,500 rpm max continuous.
Lots of folks feel the same way about the 912 series engines that are
5,500 rpm max continuous. In my case, if I don't turn at least 5,000
rpm, I can not keep the engine oil and CHT up to minimum temps.
Wonder if we could put my 1936 JD D engine on a Firestar. It gets its
max hp at 900 rpm.
john h
mkIII
25F and sunny
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From: | "Ralph" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed |
John and others, I am flying my Firestar with a 5100 RPM cruise every
time I fly. I have over 450 hours on the 447. I'm a believer that
less RPM's equates to less wear. So far, so good.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar/447
20 years flying it
-- "John Hauck" wrote:
| Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below
5800 that
| you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may
be
| increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings?
|
| steve
|
Morning Steve:
I have, but the majority of the Kolb List wants to make JD tractors
out of them. Something about wearing them out sooner if you turn
more
rpm, even though the engine was designed to cruise at 5,800 rpm and
above. It is a continuous duty engine that does much better at or
above 5,800 rpm. Without going back to look it up, the engine is
capable of 6,500 rpm max continuous.
Lots of folks feel the same way about the 912 series engines that are
5,500 rpm max continuous. In my case, if I don't turn at least 5,000
rpm, I can not keep the engine oil and CHT up to minimum temps.
Wonder if we could put my 1936 JD D engine on a Firestar. It gets
its
max hp at 900 rpm.
john h
mkIII
25F and sunny
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Subject: | Re: such a fine day for flying |
No, I didn't even see an Indian bullet, but then I came in from the
south and departed the same way. There have been a lot of mishaps at
that strip over the years. One fellow that I knew from Klamath Falls
managed to ground loop his Maule there, but duct taped it back together
and flew it home. I somehow don't see a Tomahawk as a back country
flyer, especially with two people. I did a Google search for Owyhee
corners and came up with a spot 10 to 15 miles away from the reservoir.
There is an airstrip at that location, but the strip in the middle of
the lake is named "Owyhee State".
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lehman
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: such a fine day for flying
Larry...
Did you see any floating Tomahawks?...
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** Report created 2/6/2007 Record 11
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 9670T Make/Model: PA38 Description: PA-38
Tomahawk
Date: 02/04/2007 Time: 2140
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N
Missing: N
Damage: Substantial
LOCATION
City: OWYHEE CORNERS State: OR Country: US
DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT FAILED TO CLIMB ON TAKEOFF CRASHED INTO OWYHEE RESERVOIR,
OWYHEE
CORNERS, OR
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
One more registration to go. Wouldn't you know it would be the Mk 3's that
will be last, the only one I'm truly hot for.
In the latest to arrive, FAA included a note to remind me of the 1-31-2008
deadline. If you have your packet into your local FSDO, MIDO or your E-LSA
DAR by Nov. 30, FAA WILL GUARANTEE you will get your airworthiness
certificate before the deadline. Obviously you have to do your part of the
program correctly so there are no hang ups. After 11-30 there's no
guarantee. Tick tick tick.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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Subject: | Re: Fighting user fees |
From: | "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)comcast.net> |
It is hard to fight something that the specificies of have not been released yet.
This excerpt is from the EAA website:
The budget proposal includes the framework to establish a user-fee program for
various aviation services; a nearly four-fold increase in the fuel tax paid by
general aviation operators (avgas and autogas); and a series of fees for access
to the nation's busiest airports.
"The budget proposal calls for increased and or the establishment of fees for aircraft
certification and registration, as well as appointment and designation
of designees such as those used to certificate amateur-built aircraft and light
sport aircraft, and airman medical certificates."
Other than the "nearly four-fold increase in the fuel tax paid by general aviation
operators (avgas and autogas)", I don't see any real big problem with paying
my fair share. Fees for the paperwork are a common fact of life and impacts
everyone evenly.
I am just saying, know what you are objecting to before you you sign up. The NBAA
is not the group that helps to protect us from ourselves.
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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Subject: | Re: Fighting user fees |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
User Fees = A way for the government to collect more taxes, and more regulation
for general aviation.
Lets me think about this one, those of us that fly paying much higher taxes than
everyone else, more regulation, and an even bigger government breauacracy...
Whats not to like about it [Wink]
Michael A. Bigelow
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed |
The Rotax 532 had a noticable "on the pipe/off the pipe" range that fell
in the lower 5000 rpm range, and years ago I used to fly a Quicksilver
MX with a 377 that had a very noticable range where it was either on or
off the pipe. It is easy to tell engines affected in this manner because
they will not hold a constant rpm, but will gain or lose rpm within
certain rpm ranges. The 90 series 582 I am using does not do that that I
have ever noticed, and I understand that the blue head is even better
about it. So being on/falling off the pipe is not a factor.
Last annual, rings were clean & free, top of piston was very lightly
carboned, underside of head had a couple carbon patches about as big as
a fingernail, a couple small streaks of carbon buildup in the exhaust
manifold. Left it all alone, put it back together.
Using Phillups Injex, normally cruise around 5100-5300 solo, 5500-5600
with a passenger. Quiet and comfortable at around 63 mph.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: N27SB(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Most economical cruse speed
Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800
that you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may
be increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings?
steve
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From: | "Duffney" <tnt1(at)rangebroadband.com> |
Malcolm, I would be interested in a set. Let me know what you want for
a copy$. My address is 1716 E. 41 st. Hibbing MN. 55746. Thanks, Tim
Duffney
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:float plans
any body want a set of float plans??? they are not that expensive to
build andthey are less than $500 each you can pay as you go . malcolm.
michigan. old kolb flyer
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From: | Malcolmbru(at)aol.com |
PLane crazy you are OK I am glad to here Jaz is a women. I worked on
the floats today and sent a set to elery Weld also on the list I realy would
like somewon to take thes plans and run with them.noone on the kitfox or
seaplane forem wants toand I realy dont know whear to start malcolm
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From: | Malcolmbru(at)aol.com |
About $19 would cover printing a binder and shiping I will try to send them
out thursday. malcolm
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From: | "Gary Knapp" <gary56(at)sover.net> |
I'd be interested also!
92 Firestar 447
Gary Knapp
2627 Weatherhead Hollow Rd.
Guilford Vt. 05301
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Duffney
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:00 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Kolb-List: Re:float plans
Malcolm, I would be interested in a set. Let me know what you want
for a copy$. My address is 1716 E. 41 st. Hibbing MN. 55746. Thanks, Tim
Duffney
----- Original Message -----
From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:float plans
any body want a set of float plans??? they are not that expensive
to build andthey are less than $500 each you can pay as you go .
malcolm. michigan. old kolb flyer
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic
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Date: 05/19/2006
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Subject: | Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller |
From: | "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com> |
I've got a wooden propeller (probably the original prop). It looks like I'm going
to have to replace this. Any recommendations as to a good replacement? Is Spruce
the place to buy one? Thx.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93522#93522
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller |
From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Mr. Murphy:
What engine/gearbox are you running?
I put my firestar KXP thru its paces this last weekend using my new WAAS enabled
GPS. Top speed 86mph@4000msl. Climbed 1110ft in one minute at 50mph. My 503
has a 66" two-blade IVO on a 2.58 "B" box. It is a smooth, efficient prop.
I have never mounted anything else on my plane so 386hrs is the limit of my
IVO experience.
Surprisingly, Spruce has not given me good customer service of late. They sent
me screw top B8ES plugs and haven't replied to my e-mails. The order before
that they substituted a completely different fuel filter than was shown online
and in the catalog. Twice bitten, thrice shy.....
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller |
From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Mr. Murphy:
What engine/gearbox are you running?
I put my firestar KXP thru its paces this last weekend using my new WAAS enabled
GPS. Top speed 86mph@4000msl. Climbed 1110ft in one minute at 50mph. My 503
has a 66" two-blade IVO on a 2.58 "B" box. It is a smooth, efficient prop.
I have never mounted anything else on my plane so 386hrs is the limit of my
IVO experience.
Surprisingly, Spruce has not given me good customer service of late. They sent
me screw top B8ES plugs and haven't replied to my e-mails. The order before
that they substituted a completely different fuel filter than was shown online
and in the catalog. Twice bitten, thrice shy.....
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93543#93543
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From: | "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Best Prop around |
John,
I think Ivo is probably one of the finest props around. Although there
are a couple of other quality brands, the Ivo's quick adjust (by turning one
simple screw), the ability to convert easily to "electric in-flight
adjustable", and their excellent factory support.....certainly puts them at
the upper range of
a good-buy.
I recently sent my 3 blades in for service to Ivo Prop. I accidently
broke a blade with my Backhoe
bucket!!!!!!! Moron!!! Oops! Anyway, they serviced the two good ones,
(new leading edge tape), and made me a new third blade, for $200 .
I felt like that was a pretty good deal, and now I keep the tractor on the
other side of my house!! Mike in Utah
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From: | "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Best Prop around |
john, was it the tractor , or the pilot???
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:42 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Best Prop around
>
>
> John,
> I think Ivo is probably one of the finest props around. Although there
> are a couple of other quality brands, the Ivo's quick adjust (by turning
> one simple screw), the ability to convert easily to "electric in-flight
> adjustable", and their excellent factory support.....certainly puts them
> at the upper range of
> a good-buy.
> I recently sent my 3 blades in for service to Ivo Prop. I accidently
> broke a blade with my Backhoe
> bucket!!!!!!! Moron!!! Oops! Anyway, they serviced the two good
> ones, (new leading edge tape), and made me a new third blade, for $200
> . I felt like that was a pretty good deal, and now I keep the
> tractor on the other side of my house!! Mike in Utah
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with people
> you know
>
>
>
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From: | Malcolmbru(at)aol.com |
ellery how maney projects do you have gooing now mal
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Most economical cruse speed |
Morning Gang:
I have discovered there are two modes of flight to determine fuel
consumption.
1-Flying around the patch.
2-Cross country.
Flying around the patch burns about 50 to 75% of the fuel that you
burn cross country.
If you want a true fuel burn, it is best, in my opinion, to fly some
cross country. Most important info is time of flight and maintaining
"your" cruise rpm, except for take off and landings. Probably should
fly, at least, one hour legs to verify fuel burn. Fuel tank should be
topped off prior to the flight and topped off again when you complete
your flight. You will be surprised how much fuel you burn, if you
have never done a fuel check before.
Remember, flying and playing around the patch will give you much
better fuel consumption than flying a true cross country flight.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller |
From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
I really like the Powerfin prop I have. Very light and doesn't flex much. I would
buy another one in a second.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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Subject: | Firestar for Sale |
Hello all,
I was at our local UFO (ultralight flyers) meeting the other night and the
gentleman across the table from me mentioned that he is selling his dads
Firestar. He was not very fourth coming in information so all I know is
that it is a Firestar with a 447 located near Portland Oregon. If you want
and additional information please e-mail him at runyanp(at)comcast.net.
Jason
MKIIIC BMW R100
Portland Oregon
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From: | Malcolmbru(at)aol.com |
Elery I sent the float plans out 8 days ago any sign of them yet? could you
send me some money mal
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From: | "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Last registration in |
At last the registration for N455ZD has come back. Okay, at last is a bit of
a stretch since it took 22 days from mailbox to mailbox. The FAA seems to be
making good on their pladge of three week service. Now to get inspections
scheduled.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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From: | "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
Kolb Friends -
I have a Powerfin Prop for sale - thought I'd offer it to folks on this
List first. Here are the details:
3-blade, "F" model Powerfin
65-inch diameter
Left-hand rotation
25 hours total time on prop
Like new
$275.
Contact me if interested ...
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, NM
(505) 846-7127
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I need a new boom for my Firefly. I'd like to buy one from TNK but at $285, shipping
alone from KY to Idaho/Washington is more than the tube. If I can't find
elsewhere or locally, I'll have to pay the shipping.
Kolb spec is 12' long 5" OD .049"Wall 6061-T6 Aluminum. If anybody has an extra
one (new or used) I would appreciate it, preferably in the Pacific NW. I
believe a Firestar uses the same boom, only it's 13' long.
If anybody needs large parts from TNK in the NW maybe we could partner on shipping.
--------
Jim
N. Idaho
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93780#93780
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Prop for Sale |
| I have a Powerfin Prop for sale -
|
| Dennis Kirby
Dennis:
How come you're selling that old Power Fin Prop?
john h
mkIII
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Monument Valley in winter |
| Am planning to go to MV in April. Which airport do you guys stay
at there,
| and what is fuel availability? Need either 100LL or, preferably,
MOGAS.
| What lodging is available, and could you give me a phone number for
it?
|
| Thanks much.
|
| Jimmy
Hi Jimmy:
We plan on being at MV a 17-20 May. That's Thursday through Sunday.
Most of us get there on Thur and depart on Sun.
MOGAS is available at the station across the street from Gouldings Air
Strip.
The air strip is Gouldings, 4000 feet gravel and some pavement on the
south end. Land to the south and take off to the north. Seems to be
an 800 feet rock wall at the south end.
Here is the url for Gouldings.
http://www.gouldings.com/english/index.htm
If you have any other questions, please ask. It may help others that
are going to attend the flyin.
Shucks, I can't wait, but better get my mkIII going first.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Monument Valley Flyby |
Hi Folks:
I love this video clip. It is the mkIII making a pass at Monument
Valley, turning 5,400 rpm WOT and wearing that 912ULS with a smile on
my face:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G9n2_Rtn6g
Can not remember if this is Will's or Bob's clip.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Firefly Boom |
I think I saw some Firestar spars for sale on Barnstormers, they will be the
same tubing you need if they are long enough.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly Boom
>
> I need a new boom for my Firefly. I'd like to buy one from TNK but at
> $285, shipping alone from KY to Idaho/Washington is more than the tube.
> If I can't find elsewhere or locally, I'll have to pay the shipping.
>
> Kolb spec is 12' long 5" OD .049"Wall 6061-T6 Aluminum. If anybody has
> an extra one (new or used) I would appreciate it, preferably in the
> Pacific NW. I believe a Firestar uses the same boom, only it's 13' long.
>
> If anybody needs large parts from TNK in the NW maybe we could partner on
> shipping.
>
> --------
> Jim
> N. Idaho
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93780#93780
>
>
> --
> 3:33 PM
>
>
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From: | Malcolmbru(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: float plans"John Hauck" |
In a message dated 2/8/2007 6:13:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
"John Hauck"
I disagree I think most people on the list would like to think that they
should not be taken advantage of by other members. There are several
members sending me messages about floats back copy and Ideal with them the best
I
can. I am really happy about how many want float plans and I really want
to help develop a set that any one would be proud of. mal (989)233-5377
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: float plans"John Hauck" |
| "John Hauck"
| I disagree I think most people on the list would like to think that
they
| should not be taken advantage of by other members.
|
|
|
Malcomb:
I think that was the point I was trying to get across.
Any particular reason you can't collect individual bills back copy,
since they do not apply to the rest of us?
john h
mkIII
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From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route |
Hi Kolbers,
Larry & Karen Cottrell and I are planning a mammoth
(for us) flight from Oregon to San Antonio, Texas,
returning via MV for the Kolb disorganized fly-in.
I've had lots of good advice re: the route, but
there's one portion that I'd like suggestions about.
Basically, I'm considering flying south from Larry's
(Rome, OR) to hit I-10 and then follow I-10 east to
San Antonio. I've got lots of advice about airstrips
along I-10, getting around Tuscon and El Paso, etc. I
also have good advice from Kolbers who have flown from
the El Paso area to MV, and plan to follow their
suggestions. I've flown back to Oregon twice from MV,
so have that "down pat."
My question is about getting from Winnemucca to I-10 -
maybe around Blythe, CA. Here's what I'm thinking so
far:
I'll be flying from my home base in northwestern
Oregon to Larry's place near Rome, OR. We'll fly south
following Hwy. 95 to Winnemucca, NV then east to
Battle Mountain and then south via Hwy. 305 to Austin
(A36), NV and pick up Hwy 376 south to Toponah (TPH),
NV.
We'd pick up Hwy. 95 at Goldfield, NV and go south to
Beatty (BTY) NV, Any suggestions on getting from
Beatty down to Blythe? Anyone flown this route?
Or - if you think there's a better way instead of
heading south from Winnemucca - speak up!
As you can tell, I'm trying to follow roads as much as
possible, both for safety and since Karen will be
following us in their truck. (Of course, depending on
wind we may be following her!) I'm not sure if I'll
have my endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspace
by then - so am planning to fly around that.
We'd prefer NOT to go to Texas via MV - we want to
make a loop and come back via MV.
So...I'd appreciate any suggestions about this portion
of our route.
Thanks in advance,
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
Maxair Drifter
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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From: | "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route |
Arty,
I just flew my Cessna 172 in December from near Sacramento to St. George,
Utah, which is fairly close to Monument Valley. I realize you are planning
a little different route than I flew, but I believe I have a few pointers
that you will want to know. ( e.g. MOA's, Restricted airspace, flight
following, etc) Mike in Utah 435-817-1816
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route |
Arty:
If I was flying a two stroke, I would stay on 95 all the way to
Blythe. You can stay clear of Las Vegas control zone.
Generally, that is the way I would fly my mkIII if I was going the
same destination.
I have flown I-10. Should be a good flight to El Paso and San
Antonio.
See ya'll in May.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Kolbers,
Does anyone have 1 extra 90 degree fitting with the adapter for the oil cooler
for a 912rotax? I need just 1 of each and hate to buy the kit at 70 bucks from
rotax. I will be happy to buy them and pay the shipping.
Thanks
--------
Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
painting and reassembly
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Subject: | Re: Firefly Boom |
Thanks! I'll check them out.
Jim
>
> I think I saw some Firestar spars for sale on Barnstormers, they will be
> the
> same tubing you need if they are long enough.
> Denny Rowe
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Firefly Boom |
Jim D:
Call Travis at Kolb. See if he has a 2d tube that won't qualify for a
kit. They usually have some with a few tiny dings in them that do not
hurt their strength and serviceability. I have one on my mkIII that
has been on there about 14 years and over 2,000 hours.
Usually, you can turn the ding to the bottom and no one will ever know
the difference between it and a perfect one.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Subject: | endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspace |
As you can tell, I'm trying to follow roads as much as
possible, both for safety and since Karen will be
following us in their truck. (Of course, depending on
wind we may be following her!) I'm not sure if I'll
have my endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspace
by then - so am planning to fly around that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Tell us about the endorsement, who do you get it from, how do you go about
getting it, who needs it, and what is needed in the plane?
Boyd
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From: | <kfackler(at)ameritech.net> |
Subject: | Hard card received |
Good news came in the mail today. I received my 'hard card,' the
registration for my Kolb. I have a few hours worth of work to do, mainly
placarding, to get ready for the airworthiness inspection. Fortunately, I've
just found a new hangar at my field that is much smaller than the 'barn
size' one I'm in now. With only me and one other airplane, it should
be -much- easier to heat it to a temperature where I can actually work out
there. With an inspector lined up for April, everything should be legal as
Church on Sunday by the opening of the flying season.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / N722KM
Rochester MI
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Subject: | Re: fitting needed |
From: | "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com> |
Never mind!
Travis tha man hooked me up! This brings up an interesting subject tho.... John
H John W. and Mark G. all have the same set up. They all needed 3 90's to make
the oil cooler work on the back of the fuselage. Rotax sends the engenis out
with the straight fittings for the oil pump and cooler. The 90's are an option
you have to buy at 70 bucks per 2. My question is who has bought 2 pairs and
what did you do with the other 90? May could get together on this and pair up
the extra fittings and make some gas money if you guys can find them...or at
least help out a fellow builder. On another note travis sent me a few photos of
the routing of a plane bryan built that used the straight fittings. And the
Rotax hose.
I think he said it was MikeB not sure
I would like to see more photos of your oil hose routing and type hose used. Im
going with areoquip FC-332
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From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspac |
Re: pilot endorsements and aircraft equipment
requirements for flying into Class B, C, and D
airspace:
Part 61.325 states:
"If you hold a sport pilot certificate and seek
privileges to operate a light-sport aircraft in Class
B, C, or D airspace, at an airport located in Class B,
C, or D airspace, or to, from, or at an airport having
an operational control tower, you must receive and log
ground and flight training. The authorized instructor
who provides this training must provide a logbook
endorsement that certifies you are proficient in the
following aeronautical knowledge areas and areas of
operation:
a) The use of radios, communications, navigation
system/facilities, and radar services.
b) Operations at airports with an operating control
tower to include three takeoffs and landings to a full
stop, with each landing involving a flight in the
traffic pattern, at an airport with an operating
control tower.
c) Applicable flight rules of part 91 of this chapter
for operations in Class B, C, or D airspace and
traffic control clearances."
AIM 3-2-3, b5(b) & (c) states that in order to enter
Class B airspace, the aircraft "unless otherwise
authorized by ATC...must be equiped with an operable
two-way radio capable of communicating with ATC on
appropriate frequencies for that area, and an operable
radar beacon transponder with automatic altitude
reporting equipment."
AIM 3-2-4 c2 (a) & (b) requires the same for Class C
airspace.
AIM 3-2-5 b2 requires only an operable two-way radio,
again unless otherwise authorized by ATC.
Arty Trost
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
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