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January 23, 2007 - February 10, 2007



      
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Subject: Re: Mark-II for Sale
Date: Jan 23, 2007
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Actally I'm interested in a firestar 2 ... Not ready to write the check yet... Must wake up my Private Ticket first.... Just trying to learn what I can before hand.. Thanks Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 4:45 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Mark-II for Sale Kolb Friends - An acquaintance of mine has a Kolb Twinstar Mark-II for sale. I offered to post details on this List, as he is not a List member. Our newest List member, Mark Vaughn, is looking for a "Kolb II." Could this be the one? Dennis Kirby $8500 (it has no engine) Completely reworked 2 years ago, everything new. Fully enclosed, custom fiberglass nosecone (more pointed than stock) Full span ailerons, (no flaps - it's a Mark-II). Electric trim, strobe, dual controls, nice seats & interior. Ad & pictures are listed in Barnstormers. Owner: Duane Brooks, Stapleton GA, (706)547-6900. ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 23, 2007
Subject: Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident
hey pat if you have the time, as I know you will have the urge,as a glider pilot, to go to La Jolla, just north of San Diego and go to the top of the cliff overlooking the Pacific ocean just over "Black beach". You will be amazed.... if it hasn't fallen into the ocean yet. To anyone who appreciates challenging mother nature ... successfully, that is, the soaring done there is phenomenal.... if it is still going on, does anyone know? George Randolph Firestar driver from the Villages in Fl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident
Date: Jan 23, 2007
I was there in Feb 2005 & they were Flying then! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: GeoR38(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident hey pat if you have the time, as I know you will have the urge,as a glider pilot, to go to La Jolla, just north of San Diego and go to the top of the cliff overlooking the Pacific ocean just over "Black beach". You will be amazed.... if it hasn't fallen into the ocean yet. To anyone who appreciates challenging mother nature ... successfully, that is, the soaring done there is phenomenal.... if it is still going on, does anyone know? George Randolph Firestar driver from the Villages in Fl ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
At 11:50 AM 1/23/2007, you wrote: > >I'm sticking with they drop like a rock and that's where I'll look >for my fields, you do whatever works for you. ;-) Maybe a rock with "wings"? Get to post my tired old video again! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9177096133625180462&hl=en ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: 447 torque values
Date: Jan 23, 2007
| Guys, I'm looking for bolt torque specs for the crankcase bolts for the new style 447. | -------- | Scott Olendorf Scott: Should be able to find what you are looking for here: http://www.kodiakbs.com/tiintro.htm john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: APilot(at)webtv.net
Date: Jan 23, 2007
Subject: Kolb glider
Re: soaring the T-craft. I too, use to try and soar my PA-11 Cub Special. I was successful only once, but it was a fun time. I had no electric start so I had to have a least 1500 feet to get the engine fired up again. Nice airplane. Wish that I still had it. But, my Mark III Classic is lots of fun too. With my newly designed wing tips and my sensitive variometer, I hope to soar it this summer. At least I will have the luxury of being able to re-start my G10 engine without diving the Bee-Jesus out of it. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: APilot(at)webtv.net
Date: Jan 23, 2007
Subject: Re: FLAME OUTS
I would think any Kolb will side slip safely. My Mark III does nicely. The downwind situation is true, but it is less of a problem when one lets the plane drift to the downwind side on climb out, just in case a 180 is necessary. If there is a crosswind, then the turn will be less than 180. Also, as one rolls out the potential stall the use of flaps will help, if the airplane has flaps. I know of some who have tried the 180 turn back to the runway and are now history. Sad but true. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: APilot(at)webtv.net
Date: Jan 23, 2007
Subject: Re: FLAME OUTS
Re: Hang gliding......great sport and a wonderful way to fly. I love it. Vic in Sacramento (Hang III) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: FLAME OUTS
Date: Jan 23, 2007
I had most of my training and have done most of my flying in a C-172, and, as I recall, they're fine in slips - but not with flaps. I believe the flaps change the airflow characteristics to where you can stall the tail while slipping at low speeds. On short final, that's not a thing you need real bad. Lar. Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <knowvne(at)aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FLAME OUTS > > Hi Ellery > Do you know if it's an approved manuver for the firestar ? > > I use to slip in a flight schools 172 till I learned it wasn't rated for > it...... 8-/ > > Mark Vaughn ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 23, 2007
Subject: Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident
In a message dated 1/23/2007 8:46:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net writes: I was there in Feb 2005 & they were Flying then! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: _GeoR38(at)aol.com_ (mailto:GeoR38(at)aol.com) Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot's name in Utah accident hey pat if you have the time, as I know you will have the urge,as a glider pilot, to go to La Jolla, just north of San Diego and go to the top of the cliff overlooking the Pacific ocean just over "Black beach". You will be amazed.... if it hasn't fallen into the ocean yet. To anyone who appreciates challenging mother nature ... successfully, that is, the soaring done there is phenomenal.... if it is still going on, does anyone know? Good Jim, I was sooooo impressed that I consider the place a national treasure......but .......sadly.......I guess I'm the only one. Some of those hang gliders would ride the wave seemingly all the way down to La Jolla and back without dropping a drop of petrol. Even the RC gliders would go a long ways as well....and everything would come back and rise up to the lip of the cliff and land right next to you. I merely say wow. George Randolph Firestar driver.......er...at least will be soon again The Villages Fl ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FLAME OUTS
Date: Jan 23, 2007
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
That might very well have been my situation... I was a new pilot at the time with less than a 100 hr.... This was 20 yrs ago so my story could be off a bit.. thanks for that FYI... Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: biglar(at)gogittum.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FLAME OUTS I had most of my training and have done most of my flying in a C-172, and, as I recall, they're fine in slips - but not with flaps. I believe the flaps change the airflow characteristics to where you can stall the tail while slipping at low speeds. On short final, that's not a thing you need real bad. Lar. Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <knowvne(at)aol.com> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FLAME OUTS > > Hi Ellery > Do you know if it's an approved manuver for the firestar ? > > I use to slip in a flight schools 172 till I learned it wasn't rated for > it...... 8-/ > > Mark Vaughn ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us>
Subject: Kolb glider
Date: Jan 23, 2007
I certainly do not claim to be an "expert" nor do I "claim" to have had at least 10 engines out - it's a fact Jack! All I'm saying is that a Kolb does not "drop like a rock" - which is straight down! Many on the Kolb list have experienced engine failure and have "glided" to a safe landing. Some have not but even those did not "drop like a rock". I just don't want to scare people who think that when an engine quits on any plane it "drops out of the sky". Always have a good landing site picked out no matter what you fly. Peace and good flying. Jim OK..."drops like a rock" is a commonly used exaggeration that means "doesn't glide exceedingly well" not "instantly falls from sky"...that being said, here is the best advice you'll get on the subject. "Know thine OWN best glide speed (and stall speed, and ...etc.)" Those who take the time and do a few tests with the engine at idle will know the worst case for their aircraft. Some like to debate it but having tested 3 different planes both engine idle and engine off, they all glided better engine off. So if you get a good idea of how far you can glide engine idle, if the dreaded forced landing ever becomes a reality, you'll get at least as good a glide rate as when you practiced engine idle... And worth what you paid for it... Jeremy Casey ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 447 torque values
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 23, 2007
Great! I looked there but didn't notice in the PARTS CATALOG it shows the torque values. I probably skipped by it because it's all in German or Austrian, if there is a difference. The pictures and part #s I can read though. :D I'll be getting this back in the air really soon now. Thanks much. ================================= Should be able to find what you are looking for here: http://www.kodiakbs.com/tiintro.htm ================================= -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=89947#89947 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb glider
At 07:41 PM 1/23/2007, APilot(at)webtv.net wrote: > >...I had no >electric start so I had to have a least 1500 feet to get the engine >fired up again...At least I will >have the luxury of being able to re-start my G10 engine without diving >the Bee-Jesus out of it. Yeah, same in the T-Craf, IIRC the prop would start spinning again just below Vne... I suspect my US will take more than Vne to turn over a 2-stroke with reduction drive... not sure if I can pull start it from the seat. -Dana -- -- But if we LEGALIZE it, we can't take your HOUSE! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: FLAME OUTS
At 08:31 PM 1/23/2007, knowvne(at)aol.com wrote: > >I use to slip in a flight schools 172 till I learned it wasn't rated for >it...... 8-/ You can slip a 172, there's just not that much point to it because the rudder isn't all that effective. As I recall, the manual said "avoid slips with flaps extended" because it blanked the tail somewhat... not bad, but there would be a bit of buffeting. I would have expected that slips in a Kolb would be less useful than other aircraft, since there's not much fuselage side area to offer drag. At least there's no dihedral; in the Quicksilver MX you *can't* slip it because there's so much dihedral that a tiny bit of rudder has more roll authority than full aileron. The T-Craft, OTOH, you could stand it up on a wingtip and drop like a ROCK. -Dana -- -- But if we LEGALIZE it, we can't take your HOUSE! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 23, 2007
Subject: Re: Pilot's name in Utah accident
In a message dated 1/23/2007 5:06:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, GeoR38(at)aol.com writes: if it is still going on, does anyone know? George Randolph George, I was at the Torry Pines Rec area in June of 2006 and they had the para gliders running off the cliff and soaring as long as they cared to,then landing back where they took off. I think that is near Blacks Beach. Ed Diebel Do Not Archieve ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb glider
I think 8 to 1 glide is about right for mine at 50 mph. 20 mph over stall. Not so good with floats through. At least "lotus floats" I'm sure Steve's are better. But you can still gettum out of the trees with out too much damage. "The last Possum" ..........except for John H. of course. Greg finally sold his plane last weekend. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb glider
At 09:41 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote: > >>...I had no >>electric start so I had to have a least 1500 feet to get the engine >>fired up again...At least I will >>have the luxury of being able to re-start my G10 engine without diving >>the Bee-Jesus out of it. I'd bet you couldn't get a Kolb to re-start, even diving the "Bee-Jesus" out of it ....at least a 2-Stroke. E-Gear Boxes are nice to have if you want to play around and are not comfortable taking it all the way to the ground. I think it's great to just turn the switch off at say ... 8,000 ft. and see how long you can keep it floating till you want to restart or just land. It always bumps up my heart rate when I turn the key off. No matter how many times I've done it before! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2007
From: Scott Perkins <2scott(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb SnowStar
Jim sent some photos of his plane in the snow that are simply incredible (which I have uploaded to the Ultrastar Photo archives) use the below link to Kolb Ultrastar photos and scroll down to Jim's "SnowStar" photos. You wont be sorry ! Just amazing ! Thanks for sharing Jim PS. if someone wants to take all these pics and turn into a thumbnail photo gallery, be my guest... ///////////////////////////////////////////// Subject: [KolbUltrastar] COLD From: "JIm" <belvidereill(at)yahoo.com> Hi guys. Jim here I did my first ski landings today It was 18 deg but it was worth it not much snow 3 inches but a great experence and awesome flying i guess im im a flying nut lol ----------------------- KOLB ULTRASTAR Photos Link http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Ultrastar/ . KOLB FLYER photos Link http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Flyer/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tc1917" <tc1917(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: sports pilot
Date: Jan 24, 2007
To Larry Cottrell. You aint done yet. you dont have a tail wheel endorsement!! now you gotta go back to an instructor, take lessons on how to drag your butt around on a tail wheel and then have him endorse your logs and then go find another one who is qualified to test you and get HIS endorsement and then it is done. thats all there is to it. gads. they sure have made it easy for us, right. I took my check ride in a tail dragger and it is in my log so I am covered automatically. it doesn really say that in the rules (at least I cant find it) but it says you must furnish a ride that is what you want your license for. something like that. not the same words. my log says kolb slingshot and that should cover me. anybody have a different reading of this? ted cowan, alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ron wehba" <rwehba(at)cebridge.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb SnowStar
Date: Jan 24, 2007
ok jim. now you done went and done it, you went and took my old plain plane and turned it into a career distroying machine, cause I don't know how you can stay out of it and go make a living."" GRINS" ronnie w in tx. the old owner of jims machine p.s. super great job jim,,, wish they would build these again.,cause I sure miss it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Perkins" <2scott(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:21 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb SnowStar > > Jim sent some photos of his plane in the snow that are simply incredible > (which I have uploaded to the Ultrastar Photo archives) > > use the below link to Kolb Ultrastar photos and scroll down to Jim's > "SnowStar" photos. You wont be sorry ! Just amazing ! > Thanks for sharing Jim > > PS. if someone wants to take all these pics and turn into a thumbnail > photo > gallery, be my guest... > > ///////////////////////////////////////////// > Subject: [KolbUltrastar] COLD > From: "JIm" <belvidereill(at)yahoo.com> > > Hi guys. > Jim here > > I did my first ski landings today It was 18 deg but it was worth it not > much snow 3 inches but a great experence and awesome flying i guess im > im a flying nut lol > ----------------------- > KOLB ULTRASTAR Photos Link > http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Ultrastar/ > . > KOLB FLYER photos Link > http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Flyer/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2007
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Kolb glider
> >I sold my Quicksilver MX in Aug 2006 to buy a Kolb Firefly (which I got in >October). I expected the Firefly to glide better, but it's actually >worse. Jim The MX should glide better as it has more wing area. 156 to 117 square feet. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N27SB(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
In a message dated 1/23/2007 10:18:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, possums(at)bellsouth.net writes: I think 8 to 1 glide is about right for mine at 50 mph. 20 mph over stall. Not so good with floats through. At least "lotus floats" I'm sure Steve's are better. But you can still gettum out of the trees with out too much damage. "The last Possum" ..........except for John H. of course. Greg finally sold his plane last weekend. Possum, just guessed at 8 to 1. It is probably less but it does not really matter cause in my area around Winter Haven it is mostly water down below. I just hold enough altitude between lakes. I see the ability to do a steep approach as an asset. steve ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: sports pilot
Ted, WIth my private ticket, it was a log book endorsement only, just like high performance aircraft, complex aircraft, or operating in Class Bravo airspace. There was no check ride. Rick On 1/24/07, tc1917 wrote: > > > To Larry Cottrell. You aint done yet. you dont have a tail wheel > endorsement!! now you gotta go back to an instructor, take lessons on how > to drag your butt around on a tail wheel and then have him endorse your > logs > and then go find another one who is qualified to test you and get HIS > endorsement and then it is done. thats all there is to it. gads. they > sure have made it easy for us, right. I took my check ride in a tail > dragger and it is in my log so I am covered automatically. it doesn > really > say that in the rules (at least I cant find it) but it says you must > furnish > a ride that is what you want your license for. something like that. not > the same words. my log says kolb slingshot and that should cover me. > anybody have a different reading of this? ted cowan, alabama > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2007
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Kolb glider
Kolbers, My retired airforce brother-in-law sent this one to me. http://jet-man.com/playervideo.swf?video=jetman2007.flv Jack B. Hart FF004 Wichester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Slips
Got out the 172 manuals just out of curiosity. For the N and P models in chapter 2, "Limitations", under Placards, Cessna tells you that a placard must be near the flap switch that says "Avoid slips with flaps extended". Same models, in chapter 4, "Normal Procedures", under cross wind landings, "If flap settings greater than 20 degrees are used in sideslips with full rudder deflection, some elevator oscillation may be felt at normal approach speeds. However, this does not effect the control of the airplane." I can't find my manual for the K model, narrower main gear, ten less HP, and flaps go to 40 degrees, and 100 lb. less MTOW than the N and P, so I can't quote it right now. I can tell you it comes out of the sky at about the same glide angle as the Space Shuttle when doing a forward slip with flaps 40. The rudder buffets a bit, and you can feel a pulsation in the yoke, but it slips to either side just fine. If you've ever read "The Lucky Bastard Club", sorry it's in a box somewhere and I can't remember the author's name right off, the author mentions that he asked his instructors why the Army didn't teach slips. The aircraft are too big and too heavy was the usual reply. At several places in the book he makes a point of describing the slip characteristics of the Stearman and the Cessna AT-50. Toward the end of the book he slyly lets you know that the Boeing B-17G slipped just fine, too. As for the Mk 3, it slips just fine, too. I sometimes wish for a bit more rudder area, but I suspect that may be more pilot than aircraft. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2007
From: Scott Perkins <2scott(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb SnowStar
Jim sent some photos of his plane in the snow that are simply incredible (which I have uploaded to the Ultrastar Photo archives) use the below link to Kolb Ultrastar photos and scroll down to Jim's "SnowStar" photos. You wont be sorry ! Just amazing ! Thanks for sharing Jim PS. if someone wants to take all these pics and turn into a thumbnail photo gallery, be my guest... ///////////////////////////////////////////// Subject: [KolbUltrastar] COLD From: "JIm" <belvidereill(at)yahoo.com> Hi guys. Jim here I did my first ski landings today It was 18 deg but it was worth it not much snow (3 inches) but a great experence and awesome flying I guess im im a flying nut lol ----------------------- KOLB ULTRASTAR Photos Link http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Ultrastar/ . KOLB FLYER photos Link http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-Flyer/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
Date: Jan 24, 2007
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Now strap a skateboard to his Gut and he may have something.... hahahahaha YOU FIRST... 8-) Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:01 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb glider Kolbers, My retired airforce brother-in-law sent this one to me. http://jet-man.com/playervideo.swf?video=jetman2007.flv Jack B. Hart FF004 Wichester, IN ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Slips
Date: Jan 24, 2007
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Thanks Rick It must have been a Flap issue my instructor was concerned with.... This was 20 years ago that this happen.. As with most flying related things they get a little fresh paint over time 8-) Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: jindoguy(at)gmail.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Slips Got out the 172 manuals just out of curiosity. For the N and P models in chapter 2, "Limitations", under Placards, Cessna tells you that a placard must be near the flap switch that says "Avoid slips with flaps extended". Same models, in chapter 4, "Normal Procedures", under cross wind landings, "If flap settings greater than 20 degrees are used in sideslips with full rudder deflection, some elevator oscillation may be felt at normal approach speeds. However, this does not effect the control of the airplane." I can't find my manual for the K model, narrower main gear, ten less HP, and flaps go to 40 degrees, and 100 lb. less MTOW than the N and P, so I can't quote it right now. I can tell you it comes out of the sky at about the same glide angle as the Space Shuttle when doing a forward slip with flaps 40. The rudder buffets a bit, and you can feel a pulsation in the yoke, but it slips to either side just fine. If you've ever read "The Lucky Bastard Club", sorry it's in a box somewhere and I can't remember the author's name right off, the author mentions that he asked his instructors why the Army didn't teach slips. The aircraft are too big and too heavy was the usual reply. At several places in the book he makes a point of describing the slip characteristics of the Stearman and the Cessna AT-50. Toward the end of the book he slyly lets you know that the Boeing B-17G slipped just fine, too. As for the Mk 3, it slips just fine, too. I sometimes wish for a bit more rudder area, but I suspect that may be more pilot than aircraft. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Flame outs
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Hi, what are these `flame outs` that seem to have crept into the list recently. I thought a `flame out` was when a jet engine quit. Have some of you guys been taking the freedom the Experimental category gives you a bit far? Lets stick to `engine out` and leave the `flame outs` to the big boys. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flame outs
Date: Jan 24, 2007
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
PAT Don't all KOLBS fly with their engines out? 8-) Personally I prefer the term FLAME OUT when referring to a dead engine... But then given my Background, I'm use to flying with no FLAME at all... 8-) Sorry if I've confused the terms.. Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Flame outs Hi, what are these `flame outs` that seem to have crept into the list recently. I thought a `flame out` was when a jet engine quit. Have some of you guys been taking the freedom the Experimental category gives you a bit far? Lets stick to `engine out` and leave the `flame outs` to the big boys. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: that old video
Date: Jan 24, 2007
No searching round looking for a | landing spot while your flying accuracy goes to hell. Thats what throws your | height away. | Pat Patrick: A good pilot always has the next best forced landing area in sight. If I may add, once a suitable forced landing area is selected, it is usually best not to change one's mind. We have some folks on this List that have experienced that mistake, me included. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb glider
At 07:53 AM 1/24/2007, Jack B. Hart wrote: > >The MX should glide better as it has more wing area. 156 to 117 square feet. It's not really about wing area, but L/D (lift to drag ratio). The MX is very "draggy", with all the exposed tubes and cables. You need to dive it steeper to keep the speed up than you do with a cleaner airplane. -Dana -- -- But if we LEGALIZE it, we can't take your HOUSE! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Possum, Those are amazing pictures.. I never heard about that. Im assuming you posted the story behond that, can you post a link to it ??? I dont think the MK III is anywhere near 10 to 1 glide. The Cessna 172 manual gives a glide ratio of 10.5 to one, and my MK III Xtra does not glide anywhere near as good as a 172 will. One day soon I will do a test to find the exact glide ratio, I am very curious about this. Compared to most spam can type airplanes, the Kolb has a very bad glide, offset by a very low touchdown speed and shot landing roll :) JetPilot -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90148#90148 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 24, 2007
[quote="kolbmark3"]"The Kolbs drop like a rock" - not really! Granted, it is not like a glider, but having experienced at least ten "engine outs" from as low as 300 feet to as high as 2000 feet, the Mark III does give you some time to land. But in any plane, even a GA, it is always a good idea (read life saver) to have a potential landing site picked out. Jim Mark III > [b] Jim, I am also interested in what would cause 10 engine outs ? Can you post some of the information on what caused them, and the kinds of places you land ? And most of all, what engine are you flying ! Im not trying to flame you here, I just think it would be really good information for the rest of us and very interesting stories about the landings ! JettPilot -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90149#90149 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: that old video
Date: Jan 24, 2007
| 100% of the time.. Some of the stuff you fly over and some of the | extensive woodland that some listers have produced pics. of are pretty short | of choices. | Pat Patrick: In those cases you mention above, I still take the best choice of what is available. Never give up until you finish crashing. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flykolb" <flykolb(at)wowway.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
Date: Jan 24, 2007
They were kind of in "clusters" - and not all were complete surprises. First one was with a 503 and I landed in a hay field, dodging bales of hay. The next tow were in the same field. After landing, I could not find the problem, tied the tail down, did an extended runup with no problem. Took off, was still climbing, when it quit again. Landed, inspected everything, replaced the fuel pump, did another extended runup, took off, engine quit. Trailered it home, replaced all fuel lines, cleaned the fuel tanks, new fuel pump. No more problems. What caused it? I am still not sure. Next time was after a A&P had replaced the points. Took off and on downwind it got real quiet. The key in the crankshaft sheared. Landed at my airport. Replaced key, no more problem. The other times were with a Rotax 532. I had taken off from a friend's field, climbed to 2000', leveled out, reduced power, engine quit. Landed at his field, did extended runup, climbed to 4000', everything ok. Flew back to my airport with a landing spot always in sight. No problem getting back. Then in trying to figure out what was wrong there followed a series of takeoffs and engine outs (just after clearing the end of the field but with enough altitude to do 180's). No real sign of seizure but A&P tore down engine, cleaned cylinders and pistons.Replaced the points with CDI, new radiator, rebuilt gearbox. No more problems. Now someone will flame me for taking off again after having a problem. Every time I had a long enough runway to land if the engine quit on takeoff and/or enough altitude to do a 180 and get back. In fact one time I had excess altitude to loose in order to make the runway. I may be slow but I'm not completely stupid nor do I have a death wish. I now know I won't panic when the engine goes quiet - but I do have a lot more experience with engine out landings than I really want! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb glider > > [quote="kolbmark3"]"The Kolbs drop like a rock" - not really! Granted, it is not like a glider, but having experienced at least ten "engine outs" from as low as 300 feet to as high as 2000 feet, the Mark III does give you some time to land. But in any plane, even a GA, it is always a good idea (read life saver) to have a potential landing site picked out. > > Jim > Mark III > > > [b] > > > Jim, > > I am also interested in what would cause 10 engine outs ? Can you post some of the information on what caused them, and the kinds of places you land ? And most of all, what engine are you flying ! Im not trying to flame you here, I just think it would be really good information for the rest of us and very interesting stories about the landings ! > > JettPilot > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90149#90149 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Subject: Engine outs
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Being your own mechanic makes you a better pilot. The worse mechanic you are, the better the pilot you must be. Not much over a year ago I thought 2-strokes had valves (my son corrected me). It was quite a learning experience when I bought a disassembled 1982 Quicksilver MX with Cuyuna engine. I went through two major issues involving the points ignition and carburetor. The carb was the most problematic. Everything worked fine on the ground and during takeoff and climbout, then I would loose power 1 or 2 miles from the field. Every time I was able to nurse it back to my airport for a landing. The problem was the carb was rotated just slightly too far forward. During climbout it was near vertical and operating fine, but when I leveled off (1-2 miles from the field) it would rotate forward slightly (with the engine) and flood. This problem appeared intermittent and bothered me for a while until I committed to keep flying short hops around the airport until I figured it out. The point is, I could not duplicate this problem on the ground. I had to fly it multiple times over the airport to troubleshoot the problem. During testing, the engine could have quit at any time and I would not have had a problem landing safely. After I figured it out, it was really a joy to fly. Jim > Now someone will flame me for taking off again after having a problem. > Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: panel
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Going in with the wireing and panel! http://groups.msn.com/AerialWorld/kolbra012.msnw?Page=7 -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90217#90217 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
Date: Jan 24, 2007
When I took some lessons in an MX II in '95, the instructor told me to hold pattern altitude of 500 ft till I could see the numbers between my feet, (no floor in that thing) then pull back the throttle to about (I think) 1/4 or 1/3 power, watch the airspeed indicator (ball in tube type - can't remember the name) out of the corner of my eye and hold it at 40 mph, then flare just before hitting. He clamped his hand over mine on the stick to make sure I obeyed. It was spooky. We came down almost on the numbers, and the.........flare........almost wasn't. About (it seemed) 5 ft from the ground he pulled my hand back on the stick, we flared and hit. Not too hard, either, it were a perty good landing. I can't imagine anything with a worse glide ratio. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb glider > > At 07:53 AM 1/24/2007, Jack B. Hart wrote: >> >>The MX should glide better as it has more wing area. 156 to 117 square >>feet. > > It's not really about wing area, but L/D (lift to drag ratio). The MX is > very "draggy", with all the exposed tubes and cables. You need to dive it > steeper to keep the speed up than you do with a cleaner airplane. > > -Dana > -- > -- > But if we LEGALIZE it, we can't take your HOUSE! > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Engine outs
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Jim, A few of us (5 total, we took turns) were flying two Quicksiver MX2's to Arlington Airshow and experienced an identical engine problem on one of the engines, like you mentioned in paragraph one of your previous email. Let me know if you're interested in what we found..... Mike in Utah _________________________________________________________________ Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flykolb" <flykolb(at)wowway.com>
Subject: Re: Engine outs
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Mike, I'm interested! What did you find? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Engine outs > > > Jim, > A few of us (5 total, we took turns) were flying two Quicksiver MX2's to > Arlington Airshow and experienced an identical engine problem on one of the > engines, like you mentioned in paragraph one of your previous email. > Let me know if you're interested in what we found..... Mike > in Utah > > _________________________________________________________________ > Valentine's Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping > http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb History
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Hi Gang: Boy! The weather has been rotten at hauck's holler. Talk about cabin fever........... Maybe this will brighten things up a bit. Was going through the November 1999 copy of EAA Experimenter Magazine tonight and found a couple historical photos. One is the Kolb Company's Fire Fly at Sun and Fun 1999. This particular Sun and Fun was the transition flyin for old and new Kolb Aircraft. Here is where I met my new bosses at TNK, although I was flying for Old Kolb. The other photo is Old Kolb's Sling Shot. Can not remember what year that was. May have been Oshkosh 1998, or earlier. Anyhow, this was my first flight in the Sling Shot. Quite a bit of difference between it and all the other Kolb models I had flown up to that time. Took a little time to adjust to those little bitty lift struts and wings. Once I found out I would not fall out of the sky and the SS would fly much like all the others, I had a ball. Spring is coming, john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 24, 2007
planecrazzzy wrote: > Hey Big Lar, > The "key" your talking about.... is 40 > > Mine will drop in fast at 40..... but if I shoot for 50 , she glides VERY good > > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN Thats 2 reports of firestars that glide well... Im beginning to suspect that the Firestar has a much better glide ratio than the MK-III Xtra. Michael A. Bigelow -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90269#90269 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
Date: Jan 24, 2007
If we are taking a poll, mine glided a measured 6 miles with 4000 feet of elevation. I figured 8 to 1. This was without a motor turning. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb glider > > > planecrazzzy wrote: >> Hey Big Lar, >> The "key" your talking about.... is 40 >> >> Mine will drop in fast at 40..... but if I shoot for 50 , she glides >> VERY good >> >> Gotta Fly... >> Mike in MN > > > Thats 2 reports of firestars that glide well... > Im beginning to suspect that the Firestar has a much better glide ratio > than the MK-III Xtra. > > Michael A. Bigelow > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > could have !!! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90269#90269 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Subject: Re: Kolb History
John do you remember the year the older guy that drove the pelican in the ditch on the East end of the runway? Have you ever met anyone that new him? I often wonder how his widow and son are dooing, I understand the volinteer that was with him is having a hard time geting over it malcolm ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb History
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Date: Jan 24, 2007
> John do you remember the year the older guy that drove the pelican in the ditch Hi Malcomb: No I don't know about them. Made an ID mistake on the red Sling Shot. That was Oshkosh 1999 and the Sling Shot belongs to Bruce Chesnut. Was just now looking at that photo and saw the 912 sitting on it. The old Kolb Sling Shot was powered with a 582. Xin loi! john h mkIII -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90292#90292 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedl(at)highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Same wing, less weight, narrower fuselage. Could have somthing to do with it. :-) Denny Rowe, Mk-3 PS: I have flown Quicksilver MXs and their glide performance is nowhere near any Kolb. Single surface wing, cables and tubes everywhere, no real enclosure, Come on Guys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:23 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb glider > > > planecrazzzy wrote: >> Hey Big Lar, >> The "key" your talking about.... is 40 >> >> Mine will drop in fast at 40..... but if I shoot for 50 , she glides >> VERY good >> >> Gotta Fly... >> Mike in MN > > > Thats 2 reports of firestars that glide well... > Im beginning to suspect that the Firestar has a much better glide ratio > than the MK-III Xtra. > > Michael A. Bigelow > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > could have !!! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90269#90269 > > > -- > 8:40 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
In a message dated 1/24/2007 9:24:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes: Thats 2 reports of firestars that glide well... Im beginning to suspect that the Firestar has a much better glide ratio than the MK-III Xtra. My FS II, which is about 725 gross, gave me a 6:1 glide ratio. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels
Recently I rebuilt the BRS mount on my Mk 3, moving it forward and down and reducing the part count. While finishing up other projects, I've put off trimming the gap cover to fit the BRS's new location until yesterday and got a nice surprise. If you are an HFT customer and you receive the e-mail sale flyers you've probably seen the diamond coated cutoff wheels they occasionally offer at a discount. Normally they sell for $9.95 for a package of five, but on sale they are marked down to $1.99. These little wheels slice right through .06 Lexan like the proverbial hot knife and the butter. And, better yet, they last. I cut about 30 inches with the diamond wheels buried in the cut, plus a fair amount of trimming and it showed no sign of wear or build up of sludge to the wheel. When I went after the aluminum angle that frames the gap seal the wheel began to show some wear but was still hanging in after a couple of inches of .06 aluminum. I'm not a share holder or agent for Chinese commerce, but these little buggers are really nice and dirt cheap at the sale price. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us>
Subject: Re: Kolb History
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Made an ID mistake on the red Sling Shot. That was Oshkosh 1999 and the Sling Shot belongs to Bruce Chesnut. Was just now looking at that photo and saw the 912 sitting on it. The old Kolb Sling Shot was powered with a 582. Xin loi! john h mkIII Hey John, That exact plane is now a resident of Jones Light airfield. Is owned by a Mr. Mike Welch (not the one on this list of recent). It has gone through a few owners and couple of incidents but is now in good hands and being cared for and flown regular. Also has a 582 on it now...that happened to come off Steven Greens M3...man what a small world it is. Jeremy Casey ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Airspeed Indicator Markings
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2007
I see in a lot of pictures you guys have nice, perfect looking white, red and green arcs on your airspeed indicators. Being that every plane is different, im assuming that you put these markings on yourself ? How did you guys do this ? Michael A. Bigelow -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90358#90358 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings
Date: Jan 25, 2007
| Being that every plane is different, im assuming that you put these markings on yourself ? How did you guys do this ? | | Michael A. Bigelow Mike: Most aircraft parts houses have sticky arcs available in kit form for a reasonable price. I did my instruments, as most other homebuilders have done. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New ANR Headsets
Date: Jan 25, 2007
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Fellow Kolbers - I just tried a new pair of ANR headsets on a flight this morning in my Mark-III, and I'm happy to report THEY WORK GREAT! All the low-frequency thrumming (which is so fatiguing after more than a half hour of flying) is gone. What a pleasurable difference. I was originally planning to buy the DRE-6000 (following the many positive reports from this List), but when I discovered that they are no longer in production, I went looking for other options in the $300 price range. What I bought was a LiteSPEED QFR XCc ANR headset, rated at 14 dB active, and 26 dB passive noise cancellation. Very light and comfortable. Comes with audio interfaces for music or cell phone. $260 at the local pilot shop here in Albuquerque. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul, and enjoying the pleasures of quiet flying in Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: that old video
At 12:15 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote: > >Get to post my tired old video again!>> > >Hi, >enjoyed it again too. The clip is just over a minute, how high were >you when the clip started? > >Cheers > >Pat I'd be guessing, but I think is would be 500 - 600 ft off the ground. Then engine was turned off about 2000 ft AGL and I know that 600 ft is too high too land in that field at that point of the approach - so I'm guessing closer to 500. I can hear myself saying "too high" at one point on the tape. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings
Get the sticky yellow, green, and red arcs from LEAF. Ralph -- "JetPilot" wrote: I see in a lot of pictures you guys have nice, perfect looking white, red and green arcs on your airspeed indicators. Being that every plane is different, im assuming that you put these markings on yourself ? How did you guys do this ? Michael A. Bigelow -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90358#90358 ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: New ANR Headsets
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Also states that it has a 28.7 Noise Reduction Rate, weighs only 12 ounces & has a 3 year warranty. Lightspeed Aviation Passive Headset QFR Solo/ C Item Number: 170072972527 George Bass George: Those are not the same model as the XC that Dennis purchased. The ebay models listed are passive and not active. I did a search for them earlier and thought I have discovered a bonanza. hehehe After I read into it discovered I had not found anything. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: that old video
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Where can I see this video ???? -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90399#90399 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2007
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Re: New ANR Headsets
George Bass wrote: > I have no idea how well these items compare to the headset that > by Dennis Kirby mentioned, but, the price is certainly right, & so > is the price. For a "Buy It Now" price of $155.00 on eBay. > > Also states that it has a 28.7 Noise Reduction Rate, weighs only > 12 ounces & has a 3 year warranty. > > > Lightspeed Aviation Passive Headset QFR Solo/ C > > Item Number: 170072972527 > > P.S.: (20 listed available) > > Blue skies, > > George Bass > George, I tried these for my FireFly and they are a good passive headset, not ANR, but if you wear glasses or sunglasses as I do when flying, you won't get a good seal because of the stems. You need gel seals for glasses. Fortunately, Spinners Pilot Shop let me trade them for Flightcom. Terry - Firefly # 95 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuel Flow at Cruise
From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2007
What sort of cruise fuel flows do you get? I haven't flown my Firefly long enough or far enough to know. I was looking at the Rotax data sheets and they indicate 4.5 to 5.5 gph for a 447 or 503 in cruise. I though folks got more like 2gph??? What are your cruise fuel flows (preferably with associated airspeed)? -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90416#90416 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2007
From: "David Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
Original dirty Firestar... 3-3.5+/- GPH, single carb. 503, indicate 67@SL... 4-4.5+/- GPH, dual carb. 503, indicate 67@SL... DVD On 1/25/07, jim <jim@tru-cast.com> wrote: > > > What sort of cruise fuel flows do you get? I haven't flown my Firefly > long enough or far enough to know. I was looking at the Rotax data sheets > and they indicate 4.5 to 5.5 gph for a 447 or 503 in cruise. I though > folks got more like 2gph??? > > What are your cruise fuel flows (preferably with associated airspeed)? > > -------- > Jim > N. Idaho > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2007
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
jim wrote: > >What sort of cruise fuel flows do you get? I haven't flown my Firefly long enough or far enough to know. I was looking at the Rotax data sheets and they indicate 4.5 to 5.5 gph for a 447 or 503 in cruise. I though folks got more like 2gph??? > >What are your cruise fuel flows (preferably with associated airspeed)? > >-------- >Jim >N. Idaho > > > Jim, I get about 2 gph on my FireFly. I swing a 66" Tennessee Prop and can go about 120 miles before having to set down for more fuel depending on the air density and my flying maneuvers. Great mileage now, but cold!!!!! Enjoy your FireFly!!! Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2007
From: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings
For enough income to actually pay rent and eat I do vinyl lettering out of my home. I can make arcs, circles, graphics, panel markings and letters from 1/4' to 24" any color. Tell me what size,color and what you'd like to donate + postage. You really should take advantage of this, I'm cheap! I've also done many #'s & logos for models also. Vic MKX 912 Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
Date: Jan 25, 2007
MKIII Rotax 582, B box 2.58:1 Ivo 2 blade, 68" About 3.5 gph at 65 mph at 5200 rpm FSII Rotax 582, E box 2.62:1 Ivo 2 blade 68" About 3 gph at 65 mph at 4800 rpm Fuel flow is a function of rpm & load. Streamline the airframe, and rpm's drop for a given speed. As rpm's drop, fuel flow goes down. A big engine loafing is preferable to a little one screaming, it's quieter and doesn't use any more fuel, sometimes it uses less fuel. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldpoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel Flow at Cruise > > What sort of cruise fuel flows do you get? I haven't flown my Firefly > long enough or far enough to know. I was looking at the Rotax data sheets > and they indicate 4.5 to 5.5 gph for a 447 or 503 in cruise. I though > folks got more like 2gph??? > > What are your cruise fuel flows (preferably with associated airspeed)? > > -------- > Jim > N. Idaho > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90416#90416 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
I don't know how Rotax took their measurements, but their 447 graphs shows no change in fuel flow (5.3gph) from 5500 rpm (35HP) to 7000 rpm (40HP). My Firefly has a 503 DCDI. Rotax fuel flow figures for this engine make more sense in that they follow RPM/HP to max RPM. But it still shows fuel flow at 4.8gph @ 4500 rpm (27HP) to 5.8gph @ 6500 rpm (50HP). Even with short flights it seems my fuel flow is not more than 3 gph at 60 mph. > Fuel flow is a function of rpm & load. > Streamline the airframe, and rpm's drop for a given speed. > As rpm's drop, fuel flow goes down. > A big engine loafing is preferable to a little one screaming, it's quieter > and doesn't use any more fuel, sometimes it uses less fuel. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldpoops) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings
Date: Jan 25, 2007
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Hey VIC Saw you post on Vinyl lettering... What would something like this run me??? Letters are to be applied to the windows of a truck shell... They must fit across a 36 inch space...... So I'm not sure how large the font could be.... I'm guessing 1" maybe 1.25" I was thinking it might end up being around 1" maybe 1.25" x 36" Again just the letters without a background color.... Glass is smoke black now... Thanks.. Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airspeed Indicator Markings For enough income to actually pay rent and eat I do vinyl lettering out of my home. =C2- I can make arcs, circles, graphics, panel markings and letters from 1/4' to 24" any color. =C2- Tell me what size,color and what you'd like to donate + postage. =C2- You really should take advantage of this, I'm cheap! =C2-I've also done many #'s & logos for models also. =C2- Vic MKX 912 Maine ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
Date: Jan 25, 2007
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Hey Richard With the 503 DC on the Firefly are you still 103 legal or did you bust the weight limits? All I've ever read about on a Fireflyis the smaller 447... Thanks Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: jim@tru-cast.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Flow at Cruise I don't know how Rotax took their measurements, but their 447 graphs shows no change in fuel flow (5.3gph) from 5500 rpm (35HP) to 7000 rpm (40HP). My Firefly has a 503 DCDI. Rotax fuel flow figures for this engine make more sense in that they follow RPM/HP to max RPM. But it still shows fuel flow at 4.8gph @ 4500 rpm (27HP) to 5.8gph @ 6500 rpm (50HP). Even with short flights it seems my fuel flow is not more than 3 gph at 60 mph. > Fuel flow is a function of rpm & load. > Streamline the airframe, and rpm's drop for a given speed. > As rpm's drop, fuel flow goes down. > A big engine loafing is preferable to a little one screaming, it's quieter > and doesn't use any more fuel, sometimes it uses less fuel. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldpoops) ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Vic, I never put the Kolb MKIII vinyl decal/sticker on my MKIII because it is the wrong color. If I sent it to you with a color swatch, could you do a couple clones of them in blue? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: Vic Peters To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airspeed Indicator Markings For enough income to actually pay rent and eat I do vinyl lettering out of my home. I can make arcs, circles, graphics, panel markings and letters from 1/4' to 24" any color. Tell me what size,color and what you'd like to donate + postage. You really should take advantage of this, I'm cheap! I've also done many #'s & logos for models also. Vic MKX 912 Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
The Firefly is over 254# with the 503. Even with the 447 you can only have 1 carb, a 2-bladed wood prop, 4" wheels, no brakes, no oil injection, no electrical, no or minimal instruments, and minimal paint. I think you may also have to cover the wings with toilet paper instead of Polyfiber. If I had built it I would have put on a 447. The guy I bought it from had a new 503 already so he bought the Firefly and put his engine on it. > > Hey Richard > With the 503 DC on the Firefly are you still 103 legal or did you bust > the weight limits? > All I've ever read about on a Fireflyis the smaller 447... > > Thanks > > Mark Vaughn > > -----Original Message----- > From: jim@tru-cast.com > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Flow at Cruise > > > I don't know how Rotax took their measurements, but their 447 graphs > shows > no change in fuel flow (5.3gph) from 5500 rpm (35HP) to 7000 rpm (40HP). > > My Firefly has a 503 DCDI. Rotax fuel flow figures for this engine make > more sense in that they follow RPM/HP to max RPM. But it still shows > fuel > flow at 4.8gph @ 4500 rpm (27HP) to 5.8gph @ 6500 rpm (50HP). Even with > short flights it seems my fuel flow is not more than 3 gph at 60 mph. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: panel
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Scott, I can and will take more photos of the panel tonight in high def and e-mail them to you. The e-mail off-list for you doesnt seam to work. Send me a e-mail @ paulpetty(at)myway.com and I will zip them right to you! Also feel free to call me anytime at 601-480-9979. -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90457#90457 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Hi Mike, That is the same ASI that I have ! Same ESI also. What is LEAF and also, where did you get the transparent decals with the lettering that give your V-Speeds and that says ESI warning ? -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90476#90476 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbflorida_148.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: new video
Date: Jan 25, 2007
I managed to get out today and fly for the first time since becoming a pilot. Somehow other than getting to fly a plane that I liked, there didn't seem to be much difference from the time I was an ultra light pilot. Imagine that! I took some short videos of the scenery, wild horses, and the Owyhee River Canyon. Sorry about the horses, but it was in really hostile territory and I wasn't able to go as slow as I would have liked. It is just as well, I really don't like to stress them very much. There were lots of horse bands out there today. They of course were where they could access the water in the canyons. The mountain is singular, Steens Mt. Juts up to 10000 feet MSL out of the otherwise flat desert. The River has cut through the desert leaving a rather spectacular area to visit. I of course only touched on a small rather drab area. I was actually looking for some game to fly my hawk on. :-) You may have to cut and paste, perhaps not. Larry http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2376663474002568632 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7842798223607400927 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5368054455726402302 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new video
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Looks like Larry had more fun than we did today... -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90484#90484 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
In a message dated 1/25/2007 2:31:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes: I get about 2 gph on my FireFly. I swing a 66" Tennessee Prop and can go about 120 miles before having to set down for more fuel depending on the air density and my flying maneuvers. Great mileage now, but cold!!!!! Enjoy your FireFly!!! Terry - FireFly #95 Terry, What speed are you cruising to get 2 gph? I burn 3.5- 3.45 gph at 60-65 mph Ed (In Houston FF#62) Where we had A sunny day for the first time in 2 weeks! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Best Oil Filter for the 912
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2007
I have been researching Rogers post about oil filters and found the exact same results that Robert did. Motorcycle people are an excellent source for high performance engine information, and they gave the Purolator Pure One filter the best ratings in filtering out the smallest particles, the amount of filter media used, and construction. Some off road sites also came to the same conclusion Roberd did, Pure One beign the best, Mobil 1 being second, and down from there.... Check out the following websites. http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterStudy.html http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Filters.html#OilFilters http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html I was hesitant to try a different oil filter in my brand new 912-s, and I could care less if the filter cost 5 dollars or 15 dollars, I just want to put on the best filter avialable. I called some Rotax mechanics and asked them about it, and they gave me the same line they gave Robert, " Use Rotax because of the higher bypass pressure "... Well the Rotax Bypass pressure is 13 PSI and the Purolator bypass pressure is 12 PSI, 1 PSI just will not make any difference... Here is the Kicker, the mechanic said "you dont want to be in bypass"... The Purolator filter has a lot more media than the Rotax Filter, so even though it is 1 PSI difference, the oil flow through a lot of media in the Purolator is much better than through less media in the Rotax filter. So in the end, I am less likely to see bypass at cold oil temperatures or due to clogging in the Purolator filter. One thing some websites said is that the purolator has so much filter media, that they from looking at it they think it could impede flow as the pleats are close together, although there have never been any reported problems. If I were very worried about this, and wanted to be conservative and error on the safe side, I would use the Mobil 1 filter... For those of you that use Fram filters in your engines ( I have used Fram in my cars for years ) you REALLY need to see the bottom of the page in the last link of the websites !!! Fram always rates in the lowest of the sites I have found, but this is scarey !!! The easy thing for me to do would be to just buy the Rotax filter, but I want the best filter I can get. Falsely feeling good about a Rotax Filter just because they relabeled it and Rotax tells us all to use it does not make it the best filter. Look how long it took manufaturers to discover the advantages of synthetic oil and finally give us their "blessing" to use it. I have run out of reasons not to stick a Purolator filter on my 912-s after my first oil change. Any input from those that have been flying 912's for a long time would be greatly appreciated. Michael A. Bigelow -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90503#90503 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/oilfilters3_164.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/oilfilters3_808.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2007
From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi(at)supernet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
Jim Dunn wrote: > My Firefly has a 503 DCDI. Wow! That ought to be a wild ride! Wish I had one. ~ Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Best Oil Filter for the 912
Date: Jan 25, 2007
| I have been researching Rogers post about oil filters and found the exact same results that Robert did. | | Michael A. Bigelow Hi Mike: IIRC I have already given you my opinion and the product I use on this issue. I read all these "less than scientic" "unprofessional" reports that you posted some time ago, well before Roger Lee posted reference 912 oil filters. I just now scanned through them very quickly. Did not see any info on first pass or one pass percentage of filtration. The filter I use is 98%. I have been flying more than 2,000 hours with the Fram filters. The one I use now is the Fram TG3614. If I want to double the amount of filter area I can run a Fram TG3600. However, the Rotax Factory seems to think the size of their filter is more than sufficient to do the job, so I will stick to a filter of that size, or the TG3614. These filters are readily available and are inexpensive, about 5.00 at Wal-Mart. Since I am not independently wealthy, I will probably keep on using Fram. BTW I have had no filter, lubrication, or any problems with my two 912 engines because of a Fram oil filter. I might add, I drive a 1992 Dodge/Cummins diesel pickup with well over 317,000 miles, all those miles the engine was lubricated with Shell RotellaT and Fram filters. Most of the oil filters today are produced by a few, very manufacturers. I am sure we would be hearing thousands of horror stories if the filters being sold on the market are defective, inferior, and not getting the job done. Not trying to sell myself or anyone else on using Rotax, Purolator, Fram, or any other brand of oil filter. I haven't seen or experienced anything to make me change my mind about the way I maintain my Rotax 912ULS. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2007
From: <jeepacro(at)cox.net>
Subject: wings
Has anyone chose to rib stitch instead of riveting the skin to the wing's? I'm thinking it will leave the rib's stronger this way as apposed to drilling into them. Any thought's -- Rob. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: wings
Date: Jan 25, 2007
I'm thinking it will leave the rib's stronger this way as apposed to drilling into them. Any thought's | -- | Rob. Rob: Rib stitching works better with flat wood ribs. Fabric rivets work better with round aluminum tubing. Kolbs have amassed thousands of hours over the years with no indication of weak ribs because of rib stitching. It is a well proven, approved method of fixing fabric to the wing. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: wings
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Yes I have, and yes I think it would. But almost no one on the list agrees with me. However, I am unwilling to abuse my airplane sufficient to find a conclusive answer... Don't know how long it takes to drill all those holes, but my wife and I rib stiched one wing in half a day, and a friend brought his son over the next day to see how it was done and we did the other one in about three hours. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: <jeepacro(at)cox.net> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:30 PM Subject: Kolb-List: wings > > Has anyone chose to rib stitch instead of riveting the skin to the wing's? > I'm thinking it will leave the rib's stronger this way as apposed to > drilling into them. Any thought's > -- > Rob. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb History
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Here is a peice of Kolb History that I was suprised to see still flying !!! I bet John H. has seen this one at one time or another. -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90522#90522 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbultrastar2_957.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbultrastar1_636.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: wings
Date: Jan 25, 2007
| Kolbs have amassed thousands of hours over the years with no | indication of weak ribs because of rib stitching. It is a well | proven, approved method of fixing fabric to the wing. | | john h Hi Gang: Made a boo boo. The above is incorrect. Should have said, "No indication of weakened ribs because of drilling for fabric rivets." Xin loi!! john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb History
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Mike: That's the "flying stork", Richard Swiderski's old Ultrastar. I got on his tail and stayed there 30 mins before I showed myself and my Firestar. That will be 20 years ago next November. I met Richard the first time after we landed. I was on my first long cross country flight from hauck's holler to Miami, FL, and return. 1,500 miles was a long ways to fly and live in a Firestar in 1987. -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90524#90524 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new video
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Yes, I'm sure he did. I was stuck at work all day. I can't wait to fly that area again this spring. Here are some sheep from last year. Nice videos Larry. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90528#90528 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rams_116.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ulflyer73(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 26, 2007
Subject: mk111 in Lancaster PA area?
I'm searching for someone who has a Mk111 in the Lancaster PA area that would be willing to take me for a demo(will pay for fuel & time). I've got 150+ hrs in GA, less than 20 in ultralights(Quicksilver) but considering purchasing a kolb. Any help is GREATLY appreciated. Jason ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2007
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/25/2007 2:31:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, > tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes: > > > I get about 2 gph on my FireFly. I swing a 66" Tennessee Prop and > can > go about 120 miles before having to set down for more fuel > depending on > the air density and my flying maneuvers. Great mileage now, but > cold!!!!! > > Enjoy your FireFly!!! > > Terry - FireFly #95 > > Terry, > > What speed are you cruising to get 2 gph? I burn 3.5- > 3.45 gph at 60-65 mph > > Ed (In Houston FF#62) Where we had A sunny day for the > first time in 2 weeks! > > Ed, What's your hurry? I like to fly slow and gawk, that's why I built a FireFly ultralight. I normally cruise at 5,000 to 5,200 rpm which translates into 50 mph to 52 mph. Sometimes at 4,800 rpm if interested in a particular place and want to enjoy. I can go faster, but don't need to. Flying for pleasure, not to get somewhere. This is with an open cockpit, probably could do a little better with a full enclosure. Also, the number of takeoff's really increases the fuel burn rate. Fuel consumption goes up in mid summer with the loss of air density. Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: wings
Date: Jan 26, 2007
| But you were correct the first time. | There is no indication of weakened ribs because of rib stitching... | Richard Pike Morning Richard: I agree. Last night, after I went to bed, I remembered what I was trying to think of about the comparison of rib stitching and fabric rivets. It has to do with grip and pull. Wooden rib caps are usually flat and wide. Rib stiching does a good job of covering the same width of fabric and reinforcing tape as the width of the rib cap. On the other hand, rib stitching a 5/16" tube presents a problem or two. First, if we grab the same amount of reinforcing tape and fabric as the width of the rib, the rib stitch will pull the fabric down around the round rib cap. Second, if we grab the apex of the round rib cap, we may not have sufficient material to secure it correctly. I may be wrong, but that is what was running through my head when I went to sleep last night. Now, which system is quicker? Probably depends on the operator. However, it doesn't take long to mark and drill the rivet holes before the fabric goes on. Then a quick once over with the pencil soldering iron to burn through the reinforcing tape and fabric. Setting and popping the rivets is quick. All this requires one man. I have very little rib stitching experience. I stitched the rear longerons of the mkIII fuselage in the area of prop drumming. Was made more difficult because I had already installed the fuel tank and most of the stitching was "blind" stitching. Don't want to do that again. Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: wings
Date: Jan 26, 2007
Correct on all counts. If you are going to rib stitch 5/16" tubing, you want 1/4" wide reinforcing tape. Perhaps the most important thing is your mentioning that rivits take one man. If you are going to do it by yourself, by all means, use rivits. If you have the luxury of a companion to talk to while you poke the needle back and forth from one side of the wing to the other, with a cup of coffee sitting on the stool next to you, rib stitching becomes more appealing. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wings > > > | But you were correct the first time. > | There is no indication of weakened ribs because of rib stitching... > > | Richard Pike > > Morning Richard: > > I agree. > > Last night, after I went to bed, I remembered what I was trying to > think of about the comparison of rib stitching and fabric rivets. It > has to do with grip and pull. > > Wooden rib caps are usually flat and wide. Rib stiching does a good > job of covering the same width of fabric and reinforcing tape as the > width of the rib cap. > > On the other hand, rib stitching a 5/16" tube presents a problem or > two. First, if we grab the same amount of reinforcing tape and fabric > as the width of the rib, the rib stitch will pull the fabric down > around the round rib cap. Second, if we grab the apex of the round > rib cap, we may not have sufficient material to secure it correctly. > > I may be wrong, but that is what was running through my head when I > went to sleep last night. > > Now, which system is quicker? Probably depends on the operator. > However, it doesn't take long to mark and drill the rivet holes before > the fabric goes on. Then a quick once over with the pencil soldering > iron to burn through the reinforcing tape and fabric. Setting and > popping the rivets is quick. All this requires one man. > > I have very little rib stitching experience. I stitched the rear > longerons of the mkIII fuselage in the area of prop drumming. Was > made more difficult because I had already installed the fuel tank and > most of the stitching was "blind" stitching. Don't want to do that > again. > > Take care, > > john h > mkIII > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Rib Stitching
Date: Jan 26, 2007
Rob, I decided to do rib-stiching, instead of rivets on my MKIII Classic. I have covered the upper half of one wing, and that was about 4 years ago. I'm actually going to uncover it---and recover with new materal all the same age on all surfaces. (I haven't finished building the plane, yet. but soon, I hope) As far as I know, maybe rivets are ok, I've never seen a riveted fabric wing. But I felt stitching would give me the ability to increase the attach points, and make a slightly smoother ridge. Not here to criticize rivets, just chose my own preference. I can tell you one thing....rib-stiching by yourself is a joke. Running in circles around the wing is a diizzying nightmare. You REALLY want to find a competant helper if you are going to rib-stitch. But, if I can't find a helper, then I'm going to rivet!!!! Oh, BTW, Dondi recommends the narrower reinforcing tape than the 1/2" wide stuff we're normally supplied with, for stitching. Yay!!!! Yesterday, I went down to the local building dept. and picked up the permit for my (airplane) shop. Picked up the pool permit on Wednesday. So, officially today I begin tractor work on my pool and shop. (I've been a concrete and general contractor for 30+ years) Have a pleasant day all. I, for one, hear a tractor calling my name..............Mike in Utah FYI I saw on the weather this morning, we in St. George are about double Salt Lake City's temp. We should get to 59, they'll see 31 degrees. We're kind of the balmy part of the state.....much like Vegas weather...........gotta go. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hilary Duffs homepage with her photos, music, and more. http://celebrities.live.com&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: wings
Date: Jan 26, 2007
For what it's worth... John H. has some important points re: stitching, and bunching of tape, etc. And as I already stated, stitching is really a two man job. Although I intended on rib-stitching, my mind can easily be changed!!!! My only question is: Are the rivets very noticable when the wing is finished??? If they aren't, then I will go back to the rivet method. It will be a LOT less work, that's for sure. Mike in Utah _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2007
From: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum and routers
I tried the router table trick with 3/8" aluminun, free hand. Not too bright but it worked great. First cut it out with a jig saw and cutting oil (the type you would use with a drill press). Without the oil you could only get about an inch of cut. Then I tried the 1/8" instrument panel that comes with the Extra's pod. That plate fetched up on the bit jumped in the air fell back on the bit busted it and bound up stopping the motor. The only thing I could do was yank the power plug. Believe it or not all was saved except the bit ofcourse. I finished it with gloves on. If you have a router table and like your fingers use a clamping system. Vic 912 EXRA Me. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: flaperons
Date: Jan 26, 2007
The Xtra wing uses flaperons. The Classic wing uses seperate flaps and ailerons. Was the use of flaperons to save weight, complexity, or parts count??? And would the flaperons cause a bit more adverse yaw than ailerons? Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: wings
Date: Jan 26, 2007
| My only question is: Are the rivets very noticable when the wing is | finished??? | Mike in Utah Mike: Take a look. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2007
Subject: Re: flaperons
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Just guessing here, but I would think flaperons would be used to get the best of both worlds: Maximum surface area for flaps (lower stall speed), and maxiumum roll authority. Jim N. Idaho > > > The Xtra wing uses flaperons. > The Classic wing uses seperate flaps and ailerons. > > > Was the use of flaperons to save weight, complexity, or parts count??? > > And would the flaperons cause a bit more adverse yaw than ailerons? > > Boyd > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2007
Subject: Re: 8Hauck3J
From: Todd Fredricks <flyingfox(at)copper.net>
John: Can you send me that picture of Miss P'Fer in larger format? Todd On 1/26/07 11:48 AM, "John Hauck" wrote: > ? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: flaperons
Date: Jan 26, 2007
| Just guessing here, but I would think flaperons would be used to get the | best of both worlds: Maximum surface area for flaps (lower stall speed), | and maxiumum roll authority. | | Jim Jim: In the real world of Kolb, it works just the opposite. Flaps and ailerons perform better on the mkIII. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: air speed markings.
Date: Jan 26, 2007
I see in a lot of pictures you guys have nice, perfect looking white, red and green arcs on your airspeed indicators. Being that every plane is different, im assuming that you put these markings on yourself ? How did you guys do this ? it seems I went into paint and found the circle drawing tool, made some concentric circles and played with the end points and did a paint fill to put the colors down. Printed it on sticky labels, cut the excess and pasted on the glass of the asi. Boyd. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2007
From: Earl & Mim Zimmerman <emzi(at)supernet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
Jim Dunn wrote: > > It performs pretty well with the 503 but I haven't flown a FF with a 447 > to compare it with. The previous owner cut a new IVO 3-bladed prop down > to 54" diameter. Performance would probably be better with a new 62" > 3-bladed Ivo, but I'm not sure it would be worth $550+ to find out. Put a two blade 66" or 68" prop. on and it would be a pocket rocket! I fly with a guy who has FF with 447 two blade IVO 62" or 64", and the older larger cord ailerons and I believe his climb rate is well over 1000 fpm. ~ Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new video
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Jan 26, 2007
John: Yes, these are the sheep we saw just north of the Alvord. The twelve-X zoom and image stabilizer on the Panasonic FZ-5 make shots like this possible (and safe). I'll post a few more on Monday if anyone would like to see them. I'll be away from the computer 'til then. Hope to fly from my home base to the Rock House get together this year. I need to get my fishing pole and tackle box out of Larry's hanger. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90664#90664 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us>
Subject: Fuel Flow at Cruise
Date: Jan 26, 2007
So your telling me that same plane, same engine, same airspeed got 1 GPH better fuel consumption with a single carb instead of 2? Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: David Lehman [mailto:david(at)davidlehman.net] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Flow at Cruise Original dirty Firestar... 3-3.5+/- GPH, single carb. 503, indicate 67@SL... 4-4.5+/- GPH, dual carb. 503, indicate 67@SL... DVD ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Date: Jan 26, 2007
I don't think a 66 or 68" 2-bladed prop will fit in the enclosed trailer that came with the Firefly. After I get everything the way I want it and the weather warms up, I'll make some quantitative tests. If it doesn't do at least 1000fpm ROC with the existing prop, I will probably go to the longest 3-bladed prop that will fit in the trailer (I'm hoping 62"). >From what I've heard, 3 bladed props give better climb and 2-bladed better cruise. With the FF climb performance is not a problem so I'd rather have a 2-bladed prop to reduce weight and increase cruise. Unfortunately, if need to go to a new one I think space requirements will dictate a 3-bladed prop. Thanks, Jim -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90680#90680 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2007
From: "David Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
That's correct... Big difference is in takeoff roll and initial ROC... Same 66X34 Tennessee woody gives me 6800 RPM with two carbs., 6400 RPM with one... DVD On 1/26/07, Jeremy Casey <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us> wrote: > > So your telling me that same plane, same engine, same airspeed got 1 GPH > better fuel consumption with a single carb instead of 2? > > > Jeremy > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum and routers
At 11:21 AM 1/26/2007, Vic Peters wrote: >I tried the router table trick with 3/8" aluminun, free hand. Not too >bright but it worked... For straight cuts... When I built my PPG I used a radial arm saw with a metal/plastic cutting blade to cut all the aluminum. You have to use stick wax and push the blade into the work (rather than pulling like you do with wood), but it worked OK for sheet and tubing. The few small curves I needed I did with short cuts and a belt sander. I need a band saw! -Dana -- -- People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
At 03:51 PM 1/26/2007, jim wrote: >I don't think a 66 or 68" 2-bladed prop will fit in the enclosed trailer >that came with the Firefly... How can you fold the wings with a 3-blade prop? > From what I've heard, 3 bladed props give better climb and 2-bladed > better cruise... That sorta makes sense. All other things being equal, a 2-blade prop is more efficient (a 1 blade is even better, but obviously raises other issues). However, if you're limited by diameter for how much power the prop can absorb, adding a blade will give better full throttle performance. At reduced cruise power settings, the efficiency gain of the 2-blade is more important. -Dana -- -- People in cars cause accidents. Accidents in cars cause people. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels
Date: Jan 26, 2007
Now yer pickin' on me again. :-) Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Kinne" <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:24 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Harbor Freight Tools diamond cutting wheels > > "Way back in the beginnings of Vamoose?" -- I didn't think routers had > even been invented that long ago -- > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Best Oil Filter for the 912
Date: Jan 26, 2007
That's all well and good, but you might want to listen to what Dodge has to say about using Fram filters on the Cummins diesel. Why take a chance ?? Lar. Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Best Oil Filter for the 912 > > > | I have been researching Rogers post about oil filters and found the > exact same results that Robert did. > | > | Michael A. Bigelow > > > Hi Mike: > > IIRC I have already given you my opinion and the product I use on this > issue. > > I read all these "less than scientic" "unprofessional" reports that > you posted some time ago, well before Roger Lee posted reference 912 > oil filters. I just now scanned through them very quickly. Did not > see any info on first pass or one pass percentage of filtration. The > filter I use is 98%. I have been flying more than 2,000 hours with > the Fram filters. The one I use now is the Fram TG3614. If I want to ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
Date: Jan 26, 2007
Ah ha Jim! There's your problem....you have to wait for the weather to warm up!!! HeHe Mike in Utah (60 degrees today, I actually started sweating while doing tractor work) >From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com> >Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:51:40 -0800 > > >I don't think a 66 or 68" 2-bladed prop will fit in the enclosed trailer >that came with the Firefly. After I get everything the way I want it and >the weather warms up, I'll make some quantitative tests. If it doesn't do >at least 1000fpm ROC with the existing prop, I will probably go to the >longest 3-bladed prop that will fit in the trailer (I'm hoping 62"). > > >From what I've heard, 3 bladed props give better climb and 2-bladed >better cruise. With the FF climb performance is not a problem so I'd >rather have a 2-bladed prop to reduce weight and increase cruise. >Unfortunately, if need to go to a new one I think space requirements will >dictate a 3-bladed prop. > >Thanks, >Jim > >-------- >Jim >N. Idaho > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90680#90680 > > _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 26, 2007
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
In a message dated 1/26/2007 8:38:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes: Ed, What's your hurry? I like to fly slow and gawk, that's why I built a FireFly ultralight. I normally cruise at 5,000 to 5,200 rpm which translates into 50 mph to 52 mph. Sometimes at 4,800 rpm if interested in a particular place and want to enjoy. I can go faster, but don't need to. Flying for pleasure, not to get somewhere. This is with an open cockpit, probably could do a little better with a full enclosure. Also, the number of takeoff's really increases the fuel burn rate. Fuel consumption goes up in mid summer with the loss of air density. Terry - FireFly #95 Terry, When you said you could go 120 miles before refueling, I assumed you were flying to get somewhere. So you figure if I held my RPMS to 5200 I should be able to go 100 miles on a tank? I havent tried going that slow when going cross country! Ed (Firefly #62) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new video
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 26, 2007
here are some of the wild horses. http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot2/horses.MOV -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90724#90724 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb History
From: "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jan 26, 2007
Mike, Do you know when those pictures where taken of my old UltraStar? I sure was glad to get hold of them, Thanks. Richard Swiderski Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90739#90739 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2007
From: <jeepacro(at)cox.net>
Subject: WING"S (stitch or rivets)
OK, Thank's for all the input. I think I will stitch it. I will stitch it because I think it will leave the wing's a little bit stronger and If I ever have to re cover the plane I can't imagine drilling all the hole's AGAIN and putting rivet's back into what now will probably be a larger sloppy hole (which now will be even weaker) and fly it with confidence. This is just my opinion. I have a beautiful sexy wife that would love to help guide my needle into the hole in the wing's fabric......... smiling -- Rob. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: wings
Date: Jan 27, 2007
Mike, If you decide to go with the rivets and buy your covering supplies from Jim and Dondi they will send you a drill jig to make drilling the ribs a little easier. Steven > > For what it's worth... > John H. has some important points re: stitching, and bunching of > tape, etc. And as I already stated, stitching is really a two man job. > Although I intended on rib-stitching, my mind can easily be changed!!!! > > My only question is: Are the rivets very noticable when the wing is > finished??? > If they aren't, then I will go back to the rivet method. It will be a LOT > less work, that's for sure. > Mike in Utah > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: that old video
Date: Jan 27, 2007
I think is would be 500 - 600 ft off the ground.>> Hi Possum, To take over a minute from that height to the ground is very good. Better than my Challenger. On the other hand I had the engine quit at around that height and you had turned the engine off at 2000ft so you were pretty well sorted out to make such a good landing while I arrived too fast in a cloud of dust after about 30 seconds. Incidentally I read in an article by our Popular Flying Assoc. Chief Coach the following points re forced landings. I have deleted stuff which does not apply to our sort of planes. 1.Fly the plane. 2. Fly best L/D (around 1.4 of stall speed) 3. Turn downwind. This will let you cover more ground and therefore give a wider selection of fields. 4. Pick Field. Surface, Size, Shape, Slope, Situation. 5. Turn off engine. You do NOT want it to start again just when you are lined up. Of course if you have time get off a MAYDAY. (Possum from 2000 ft had enough time to make a cup of tea.) Farnborough, our main testing and research centre, reckon that an `unalerted reaction time` is 6 seconds. Unless your plane has lots of inertial energy (ours dont) and you have high skill levels (which of course we all have) do NOT attempt to turn back in the event of an engine failure at take off. Use an arc of 45 degrees either side of the nose. The RAF does not teach turn backs at all in their Grob 109 Tutors. The instructors are limited to 600ft minimum turn back height, less in narrow fields. Fly the plane until impact no matter what you are going to hit. Lack of attention can stall you in and the impact even at low level could drop the engine on you. Flying into the far hedge at 20 mph is better than into the near hedge at 60. Most of this is familiar to many of us but in the light of recent discussion I thought it was relevant. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicator Markings
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 27, 2007
I downloaded it from the website. The computer, some paper, and clear tape will make great V speeds. Thanks Mike ! -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90789#90789 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 27, 2007
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/26/2007 8:38:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, > tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes: > > > Ed, > > What's your hurry? I like to fly slow and gawk, that's why I > built a FireFly ultralight. I normally cruise at 5,000 to 5,200 > rpm which translates into 50 mph to 52 mph. Sometimes at 4,800 > rpm if interested in a particular place and want to enjoy. I can > go faster, but don't need to. Flying for pleasure, not to get > somewhere. This is with an open cockpit, probably could do a > little better with a full enclosure. Also, the number of > takeoff's really increases the fuel burn rate. > > Fuel consumption goes up in mid summer with the loss of air density. > > Terry - FireFly #95 > > Terry, > > When you said you could go 120 miles before refueling, I assumed > you were flying to get somewhere. So you figure if I held my RPMS to > 5200 I should be able to go 100 miles on a tank? I havent tried going > that slow when going cross country! > > > Ed (Firefly #62) > Ed, Didn't mean to come off as argumentative, just informative! When I said I could go 120 miles before refueling, I didn't mean that I do. I was translating my fuel burn into continuous miles if I didn't put down as I usually do. My longest flights so far have been in the 50 ml. range. Have a fellow flyer who keeps pushing me to go further which I will do. Have the luxury of beautiful Lancaster county, PA to fly over with it's many Amish farms. What I was trying to convey is that I don't have the need for speed, but do enjoy the performance level of the FireFly, especially the climb rate. Another benefit to keeping rpm down is the life of the 447. 622 hr.'s and still purring with no tear down performed. "Now I know I will hear about that" as it is the common wisdom of this list that you have to tear down regularly and de-carbon and so on. Luckily, my friend and fellow kolb flyer is a 2 cycle guru and repairman with much experience and I follow his lead on maintenance. I expect maybe 1000 hr.'s before tear down. Not suggesting anyone else follow this program, but I do know that the Rotax engine isn't the fragile little thing that many make it out to be. It had powered many snowmobiles and jet ski's many miles before being used by us on ultralight's. As far as you being able to go 100 miles on a five gallon tank of gas, that should be quite possible depending on your gross weight and air density and not doing several takeoff's. Being in Texas, I assume that your average temperatures when flying is higher than mine and your therefore your fuel consumption will be higher. Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 27, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum and routers
Vic Peters wrote: > I tried the router table trick with 3/8" aluminun, free hand. Not too > bright but it worked great. First cut it out with a jig saw and > cutting oil (the type you would use with a drill press). Without the > oil you could only get about an inch of cut. > > Then I tried the 1/8" instrument panel that comes with the Extra's > pod. That plate fetched up on the bit jumped in the air fell back on > the bit busted it and bound up stopping the motor. The only thing I > could do was yank the power plug. > Believe it or not all was saved except the bit ofcourse. I > finished it with gloves on. If you have a router table and like your > fingers use a clamping system. > > Vic > 912 EXRA > Me. I've had success using a roto-zip bit (like sheet-rock/dry wall finishers use) in a drill press. The flutes seem to be open enough to avoid clogging & I haven't had to use cutting fluid. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 27, 2007
From: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: new video
Now I see horses Thanks vic ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 27, 2007
Subject: Re: Fuel Flow at Cruise
In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:04:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes: What I was trying to convey is that I don't have the need for speed, but do enjoy the performance level of the FireFly, especially the climb rate. Another benefit to keeping rpm down is the life of the 447. 622 hr.'s and still purring with no tear down performed. "Now I know I will hear about that" as it is the common wisdom of this list that you have to tear down regularly and de-carbon and so on. Luckily, my friend and fellow kolb flyer is a 2 cycle guru and repairman with much experience and I follow his lead on maintenance. I expect maybe 1000 hr.'s before tear down. Not suggesting anyone else f ollow this program, but I do know that the Rotax engine isn't the fragile little thing that many make it out to be. It had powered many snowmobiles and jet ski's many miles before being used by us on ultralight's. As far as you being able to go 100 miles on a five gallon tank of gas, that should be quite possible depending on your gross weight and air density and not doing several takeoff's. Being in Texas, I assume that your average temperatures when flying is higher than mine and your therefore your fuel consumption will be higher. Terry - FireFly #95 Terry, What you are saying now is more in line with what I am experiencing with my Firefly. I dont think I could go more than 60 mi without refueling. I do know that it burns a lot less fuel just taking it easy , flying slow and enjoying the scenery. I was about ready to get me a Tennessee wooden prop, but it sounds like there is not much difference between that and my 66' 2 blade Ivo. Ed (FF #62 In SOGGY Houston) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 27, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 27, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb glider
At 01:38 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote: > >Possum, > >Those are amazing pictures.. I never heard about that. Im >assuming you posted the story behond that, can you post a link to it ??? Just one of the guys that we pulled out of the woods way back when. A 20 mph crosswind landing flipped him up & over and upside down into the trees before he ever touched down in Taccoa? Four of us landed before him and he was dragging behind everybody because of his damn floats. We were actually eating lunch "Burger King Woppers" from our ground crew (my Dad) when we first heard his engine go from "normal" to this God aawful "Full throttle/chain saw" sound. You might notice that his "nose" never touched the ground. Got a Wrecker to pick his plane up and put it on the runway. He towed it home - one less Possum. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne Boyter" <boyter(at)mcsi.net>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Jan 27, 2007
Are the new steel gear leg from kolb still have the wrong bend at the axle? all the old ones about two years ago, camber was way off when the weight was on the wheels. Wayne Kolb mark 3 582 three blade wrap drive 450 hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: fuel tank piping
Date: Jan 27, 2007
I also have a 6 gal. bladder tank for a total of 16 gals. It has its own fuel pump and pumps into the fuel line that comes out of the tanks going to the engine. It fills up the tanks in flight. >> Hi Roger, thats interesting. Where did you install the bladder tank? I don`t understand why you joined the fuel line `between the tank and the engine`. Doesn`t that interfere with fuel to the engine?. I would have thought that a feed directly into the tank to top it up would be the way to go. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 27, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
I bought them in April or May of 2006 so I doubt they are in that lot. Rick On 1/27/07, Wayne Boyter wrote: > > Are the new steel gear leg from kolb still have the wrong bend at the > axle? all the old ones about two years ago, camber was way off when the > weight was on the wheels. > > Wayne > Kolb mark 3 > 582 three blade wrap drive > 450 hrs. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard Girard > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:44 AM > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs > > When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible > landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that > I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them. > $350 for the pair, plus shipping. > > Rick > > -- > Rick Girard > "Ya'll drop on in" > takes on a whole new meaning > when you live at the airport. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 27, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: that old video
At 07:44 AM 1/27/2007, you wrote: > >I think is would be 500 - 600 ft off the ground.>> > >Hi Possum, > >To take over a minute from that height to the ground is very good. >Better than my Challenger. On the other hand I had the engine quit >at around that height and you had turned the engine off at 2000ft so >you were pretty well sorted out to make such a good landing while I >arrived too fast in a cloud of dust after about 30 seconds. I had plenty of time to set up the landing, that's why I think the altitude was about right. That camera had a wide angle lens on it to get the wings in the shot, so it makes things look a little farther away than the really are. First time I cut my engine off, I was going to restart about 800 feet. I got so excited after flying my "glider" down from 3,000 ft, that I forgot to turn on the ignition and had to land deadstick. That is a common mistake, I hear. BTW : It doesn't mater how you juggle the coke or the throttle, it still won't crank with the ignition off. It's cold out there so here's another old video from a few summers ago called "We're pretty normal people .....most of the time" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6342651231744705575 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: that old video
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 27, 2007
That last video was awesome possums. I had not seen that before, im sure there are many newcommers to the list that are seeing these videos for the first time. Keep on posting :) Where was the beach video done ? Also, on the video of the glide to landing, how did you mount the camera to the tail of your kolb ? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90872#90872 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lumbar Support
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 27, 2007
Great idea Mike, being indoors from the bitter cold does have its advantages. Lots of neat improvements to that firestar this winter ! ( Kolb should look hard at that full enclosure ). I bet its not only warmer, and quieter, but also faster when its fully enclosed. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90873#90873 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: that old video
Date: Jan 27, 2007
We're pretty normal people>> Hi Possum, I really liked that video. What freedom you guys have, and room of course. There is probably not a beach in the UK as empty of people as that. I like the soundtrack. Who was it, sounded like Jimmy Buffet to me. He is almost unknown here but i like his Margaritaville stuff. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Jan 27, 2007
I know I'm not going to install them. | $350 for the pair, plus shipping. | | Rick Rick: If you keep on flying, eventually you will need them. Old hauck's holler proverb. ;-) john h mkIII hauck's holler, alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: that old video
Date: Jan 27, 2007
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
NICE footage.. A buddy and I did much the same thing on part 103 Trikes from the Plumb Island Airport on the NH Coast... We flew the length of the NH Coast line ( Only About 13 miles ) 8-) Then returned to the Airport for a not so warm welcome... Some along the beach called the airport and complained we were flying too close and too low... but truth be told we were out over the water MOST of the time 8-) BTW Thats only 13 miles of the USAs 12,383 miles of Coast line that we got yelled at for over flying 8-/ sad HuH http://www.teachervision.fen.com/maps/bodies-of-water/725.html Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: orcabonita(at)hotmail.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 3:06 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: that old video That last video was awesome possums. I had not seen that before, im sure there are many newcommers to the list that are seeing these videos for the first time. Keep on posting :) Where was the beach video done ? Also, on the video of the glide to landing, how did you mount the camera to the tail of your kolb ? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90872#90872 ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Panel pics
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Jan 27, 2007
Took some high res pics of the panel for Scott. Thought I would share with all of you. -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90892#90892 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1260048_145.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1260045_476.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: that old video
Date: Jan 27, 2007
| Where was the beach video done ? | | Mike Mike B: Believe that beach was on St George Island on the Northwest Florida coast, not far from where I grew up in Tallahassee, Florida. I have been fortunate to fly this beach many times over the years. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Lumbar Support
Date: Jan 27, 2007
They are temper-foam, but very spendy. Oregon Aero builds a very good product, but you sure pay for them. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lumbar Support > > Hey Big Lar, > Yeah, > Ya start gettin up there in age and little > comforts can make a BIG difference....What's next , Rolaids dispenser ? > ( I don't fly without them close at hand ) > > Are the zip on lumbar supports "air" or foam...? > > Gotta Fly... > Mike in MN > > > biglar wrote: >> Real good idea, Mike. I bought a temper foam seat from Oregon Aero for ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: that old video
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 27, 2007
John Hauck wrote: > > > Believe that beach was on St George Island on the Northwest Florida > coast, not far from where I grew up in Tallahassee, Florida. > > I know Tallahassee very well, where did you live John ? I lived there for 4 years while I went to FSU. I flew my Cessna 150 all over that area, based my plane at Bainbridge for a while and then at the big airport in tallahassee. Did you ever fly out to Dog island ? I should have recognized that coastline, but I did not buzz the beaches as often as I should have [Wink] I much prefered to fly down the apalachicola river at 10 feet as it wound its way south, and low over the bean and cotton fields near bainbridge. I was flying trail formation over the river with my friend one day, my friend flew past a fishing boat and I saw the guys head follow my friends plane, so I went over him at 10 feet and 100 MPH. The next day some dude went to the bainbridge airport looking for this idiot that almost knocked him out of his boat. Luckily the line guy was my buddy and assured the guy that no pilots that fly out of that airport would do such a thing ;) My buddy used to fly circles around the 22 nd floor of the Florida state capitol building with his Cessna 140, and no one ever said a word about it. Now that would probably get him thrown in prison. They are doing their best to take the fun out of Aviation, but have not succeeded completely :) Michael A. Bigelow -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90919#90919 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: APilot(at)webtv.net
Date: Jan 27, 2007
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Tap Plastics sells a 1" dia "S" glass fiberglass rod that is 6 feet long for $30. That would make two gear legs if a 3/16 thick sleeve could be found to reduce the dia of the fuselage sleeve on a Mark III. Has anyone tried them for a gear leg replacement? My guess is that they might be too flexible. Vic in Sacramento ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Steel landing gear? Which models?
From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 27, 2007
I noticed that my Kolb Firestar II has aluminum landing gear. Is the Kolbra the only Kolb that comes standard with steel landing gear? Can the Firestar's gear be upgraded to steel? Thx. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90924#90924 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Anybody with a Kolbra/Mark 111 in Albuquerque, New Mexico?
From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 27, 2007
I'm going to be in Albuquerque, NM from the 1st to the 5th of Feb. My wife has a nursing conference she is going to attend. I'm hoping to find someone that has a Kolb aircraft that I could get some air time prior to me flying my Kolb Firestar II. Of course I would gladly pay for your time & effort in this regard. Thanks. -John Murphy (Henderson, NV- Kolb Firestar II owner). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90927#90927 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Steel landing gear? Which models?
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 27, 2007
Hi All, As soon as I quit listening to CFI's telling me how to land I never had another tweaked gear. Then I went with 1 3/8" T-7075 aluminum gear legs. These did not taper and were 1 3/8" all the way to the axial hub. I remade the gear strut/axial hub receptcle. That took about 1 hour to weld it up. The 1 3/8" aluminum cost $140. All I had to do then was drill the bolt holes. Never ever had another issue. I think the older stock tappered aluminum gear legs were a little light when people started to put 1100-1200 lbs on them. I think they were originally designed for 1000 lbs. max. The older gear legs tappered down from 1 3/8" to 3/4". I also added 6" in length which worked out really well. It gave me a slightly wider stance and better ground handeling and raised me up some and then allowed the Kolb to be landed on the mains first all the time. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90938#90938 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Jan 28, 2007
----- Original Message ----- From: <APilot(at)webtv.net> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs > > Tap Plastics sells a 1" dia "S" glass fiberglass rod that is 6 feet long > for $30. My guess is that they > might be too flexible. Vic in Sacramento > > > Vic no doubt about it. Denny ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tc1917" <tc1917(at)hughes.net>
Subject: flow meter
Date: Jan 28, 2007
Just wanted you all to know I found two NavMan 2100 fuel flow units. I am buying one and the other is up for grabs if you act quickly. It lists for $153.00 plus shipping (about twelve bucks) If you are interested, call David Randall in Phenix City, Alabama at 334-298-1313 or 334-298-8282. They are really nice people there and dont give a rats what you use their stuff on. They know I use the boat tank I bought there (at a great price) for the sling shot. (9 gal max, fits in the back seat perfectly) Ted Cowan, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Interesting idea to use the S glass rod. The Varieze, LongEZ and all their progeny use S glass main and nose ear. Should anyone try this idea, be sure to wrap the leg with E glass laid up at a 45 degree bias. This keeps the S glass rod from splintering or delaminating when bent. Rick On 1/27/07, Denny Rowe wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <APilot(at)webtv.net> > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 8:03 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs > > > > > > Tap Plastics sells a 1" dia "S" glass fiberglass rod that is 6 feet long > > for $30. My guess is that they > > might be too flexible. Vic in Sacramento > > > > > > Vic > > no doubt about it. > > Denny > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Steel landing gear? Which models?
John, My Firestar came to me with steel legs and a set of aluminum legs as spares. Part of restoring it to the air will be to jerk those steel legs and put in the aluminum. I don't like straightening gear legs, but I can't even imagine how much I'd dislike trying to straighten a cage. Rick On 1/27/07, John H Murphy wrote: > > > I noticed that my Kolb Firestar II has aluminum landing gear. Is the > Kolbra the only Kolb that comes standard with steel landing gear? Can the > Firestar's gear be upgraded to steel? Thx. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90924#90924 > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Steel landing gear? Which models?
Date: Jan 28, 2007
Part of restoring it to the air will be to jerk those steel legs and | put in the aluminum. | I don't like straightening gear legs, but I can't even imagine how much I'd | dislike trying to straighten a cage. | | Rick Rick: Do you know if the steel legs are heat treated? john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Steel landing gear? Which models?
No, I can get access to a Rockwell hardness tester if I need it, though. Rick On 1/28/07, John Hauck wrote: > > > Part of restoring it to the air will be to jerk those steel legs and > | put in the aluminum. > | I don't like straightening gear legs, but I can't even imagine how > much I'd > | dislike trying to straighten a cage. > | > | Rick > > > Rick: > > Do you know if the steel legs are heat treated? > > john h > mkIII > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Steel landing gear? Which models?
Date: Jan 28, 2007
| No, I can get access to a Rockwell hardness tester if I need it, though. | | Rick The reason I ask is, normalized 4130 is very stiff and when bent, stays bent. We heat treat to RC48, which produces a nice spring. Makes 4130 nice and flexible. We have a good number of mkIIIs and Kolbras flying with steel gear legs. I have been doing it successfully for more than 20 years and a few hours and landings. I still hit pretty hard now and again. After I got back from Alaska last time, I put both legs in the press and readjusted them. Was amazed at how far over center I had to go to get them straight. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Steel landing gear? Which models?
Reminds me of a story my friend Scotty told me years ago. Scotty was working at the Mare Island Naval Shipyard where they sevice nuclear submarines. His buddy was in charge of straightening periscope tubes. He had it down to a science. He would put the tube in one of the big engine lathes they had and turn the tube until he had the bend down, then put a big hydraulic jack under the end. From experience he knew just how much to bend it up so it would spring back to straight. It would take a lift of several feet just to take out a minor bend the alloy was so stiff. One day they brought in a tube from one of the newer design subs and he set about his process. Only problem was that this new tube was of a new alloy that was a bit softer than before. It was a little over an inch out of column when he got it all chucked up in the lathe. He found the low spot and proceeded to jack it up a little over two feet, released the jack and nothing. The tube just sat there. Needless to say there was a mad scramble to rearrange the tube and get it back to straight before the shop foreman came around. Rick On 1/28/07, John Hauck wrote: > > > | No, I can get access to a Rockwell hardness tester if I need it, > though. > | > | Rick > > > The reason I ask is, normalized 4130 is very stiff and when bent, > stays bent. > > We heat treat to RC48, which produces a nice spring. Makes 4130 nice > and flexible. > > We have a good number of mkIIIs and Kolbras flying with steel gear > legs. I have been doing it successfully for more than 20 years and a > few hours and landings. > > I still hit pretty hard now and again. After I got back from Alaska > last time, I put both legs in the press and readjusted them. Was > amazed at how far over center I had to go to get them straight. > > john h > mkIII > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: help!
Date: Jan 28, 2007
> Hi Larry, > When I was messin with my old com system...my PTT also had the > 4 wires.... there were Two momentary switches... > One - normaly open > One- normaly closed > > What this did was cut-off andbody in the intercom , while the pilot is > using the radio... > > Sounds like yours might be the same... > > You could , just use the two wires and elbow the passenger...He he he > > Or maybe you have something different... > > I think mine was Comtronics... > This one is I-com. Here is a picture, perhaps that will help. If I weren't afraid of frying the final or something else in the radio, I would just connect the four wires together into two pairs and call it good. Larry,Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: help!
Larry, Check the Aeroelectric List also here on Mattronics. Some one there will know exactly what to do with your particular set up. Rick On 1/28/07, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > > Hi Larry, > > When I was messin with my old com system...my PTT also had > the > > 4 wires.... there were Two momentary switches... > > One - normaly open > > One- normaly closed > > > > What this did was cut-off andbody in the intercom , while the pilot is > > using the radio... > > > > Sounds like yours might be the same... > > > > You could , just use the two wires and elbow the passenger...He he he > > > > Or maybe you have something different... > > > > I think mine was Comtronics... > > > > > This one is I-com. Here is a picture, perhaps that will help. If I weren't > afraid of frying the final or something else in the radio, I would just > connect the four wires together into two pairs and call it good. > > Larry,Oregon > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: help!
Date: Jan 28, 2007
Larry: Don't take this for gospel, but I think the white wire is the PTT wire. Ground it and the radio should go to xmit. However, don't do that because I said so. Let me see if I can find my schematic for my icom. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rib Stitching
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Date: Jan 28, 2007
I distinctly remember my old airframe instructor back at Spartan telling us that on flat ribs...you stitch em...on round ribs, you rivet em. I cannot remember if it was a FAA requirement, but the 4113 manual should give the answer there. I acknowledge it might not be applicable to experimental class birds, but I considered it quite seriously when I built my wings..after much rumination,,I considered the history of the riveted round ribs was plenty good and the chance at making "puckers" in the fabric around the round rib with a stitch caused me to rivet them. I know the puckers wouldnt show after applying the wide tape, but the pucker seems like a weakspot in fabric/rib connection, and thats what keeps the ribs in column under mucho stresso.. maybe a fella oughta try a test piece of stretched fabric over a round rib to get the hang of it before jumping in on a nicely covered wing. Might cause a man to decide the rivets are acceptable. maybe not Just a few contributing thoughts..in caseyou have not considered them. -------- Don G FireFly#098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91116#91116 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 28, 2007
Subject: Re: Rib Stitching
In a message dated 1/28/2007 3:51:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, donghe@one-eleven.net writes: Might cause a man to decide the rivets are acceptable. maybe not Just a few contributing thoughts..in caseyou have not considered them. -------- Don G FireFly#098 Don, Do you or anyone else know of a situation where rivets did not hold the fabric well enough or caused a structural failure! I havent heard of any! I took an aluminum straight edge and marked my rivet spacing on it 1 time and then layed out the holes on All of the ribs In short order. Made a drill fixture out of a piece of tubing and drilled the holes fairly quick. If I built another one that is what I would do without question. That is the beauty of building it yourself! Ed Diebel (FF #62) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Steel landing gear? Which models?
At 10:09 AM 1/28/2007, Richard Girard wrote: >I don't like straightening gear legs, but I can't even imagine how much >I'd dislike trying to straighten a cage. Exactly, on many aircraft, especially ultralights with rigid or semirigid gear, the gear seems too easily bent but think of it as the "fuse" in the system preventing further damage. =Dana -- -- Congress shall make no law....What part of NO didn't you understand? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Rib Stitching
Date: Jan 28, 2007
| Do you or anyone else know of a situation where rivets did not hold the | fabric well enough or caused a structural failure! I havent heard of any! | | Ed Diebel (FF #62) Ed: Fabric riveting of fabric is a certified method of attachment. Will not cause your wings to fall off. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
From: "Michael Sharp" <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com>
Date: Jan 28, 2007
I have had an incident with the son-in-laws cats... please don't get me started on that..... See the attached photo. one of them jumped up to get on the wing that was hanging in the garage and sliced the fabric. Question: can these slices be repaired or should i recover the entire wing??? Thanks a bunch... -------- The air up there in the clouds is very pure and fine...And why shouldn't it be?- --It is the same the angels breathe. Mark Twain, Roughing it' 1886 Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91133#91133 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg3809_380.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Date: Jan 28, 2007
| I have had an incident with the son-in-laws cats... Break the cats neck!!! | See the attached photo. one of them jumped up to get on the wing that was hanging in the garage and sliced the fabric. Before I repaired the fabric I'd do a professional punch test on it. If you covered and finished the wing with Stitts/Polyfiber products, and there is adequate UV block, probably ok to repair. We discovered some fabric on a FS that had very little rip resistance. Virtually no resistance to tear. This fabric was finished with something other than Stitts/Polyfiber products. Best recommendation for me would be to call Jim and Dondi Miller for answers. http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/ Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Reinstalling the Bing card slide spring.
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 28, 2007
I put a web page up to show how I install the spring in a Bing 54 carb slide. I think most everyone knows this shortcut but there are always new guys starting out. I still see special spring clip tools for sale so there must be some people struggling with this. I can literally remove the slide, move the needle jet position and have the spring reinstalled in less than 2 mintues with no special tools. Check it out here: -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91142#91142 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ulflyer73(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 28, 2007
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
rips can be fixed using strips of Feline skin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com>
Subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Date: Jan 28, 2007
Thanks John, If I see the cats again that is exactly what I will do!!! I've emailed Jim and Dondi and am awaiting their response just thought I'd ask the list also.. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... | I have had an incident with the son-in-laws cats... Break the cats neck!!! | See the attached photo. one of them jumped up to get on the wing that was hanging in the garage and sliced the fabric. Before I repaired the fabric I'd do a professional punch test on it. If you covered and finished the wing with Stitts/Polyfiber products, and there is adequate UV block, probably ok to repair. We discovered some fabric on a FS that had very little rip resistance. Virtually no resistance to tear. This fabric was finished with something other than Stitts/Polyfiber products. Best recommendation for me would be to call Jim and Dondi Miller for answers. http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/ Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
At 06:39 PM 1/28/2007, Ulflyer73(at)aol.com wrote: >rips can be fixed using strips of Feline skin ,,,Catgut? -Dana -- -- If you don't grow up by age 35, you don't have to. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Date: Jan 28, 2007
That is a very serious part of the wing. Don't want to have a patch release in flight. I have patched fabric with less than 6" rips in that area with success. I think an important factor is to have plenty overlap of the damaged area. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kolbdriver" <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com>
Subject: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Date: Jan 28, 2007
That was my first thought, a very critical portion of the wing. We will see what Jim has to say, I'll post it on the list when I find out... Thanks to all for the "other" advise.. I may just use it.... A coon ass friend of mine emailed me off list with a recipe for Cat Gumbo.... Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... That is a very serious part of the wing. Don't want to have a patch release in flight. I have patched fabric with less than 6" rips in that area with success. I think an important factor is to have plenty overlap of the damaged area. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: DRE 6000
Date: Jan 28, 2007
If anybody is still looking for a DRE 6000, I have an extra set that is less than two years old that I would part with for $200.00 Still work like they did when I got them. Only ran one set of batteries through them. guaranteed for 30 days, you pay the shipping. Larry, Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: tank troubles
Date: Jan 28, 2007
I really don't want to, still trying to follow the KISS principal. I am at a loss. Larry, Oregon Hi Larry: I never had an airplane with this "screwy" system of pulling fuel from two tanks through one line. If I did have two tanks, you can be assured I would be pulling from the bottom of both into a T. I can assure you you will then be getting equal draw from each tank. There is a neoprene grommet and elbow fitting available from Kolb or most any UL parts house for tapping a plastic or metal tank. I have used them for many years and many hours with great success. If you still want to pull fuel from the top of the tank, then tap the bottoms, tie them together so gravity can do its job for you. Why switch back and forth between tanks with your fuel level sender when you are working with a flow system that doesn't work logically? My thoughts for what they are worth. 2 cents. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 28, 2007
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
thats lookimg good you should be flying it in a week ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: tank troubles
If it helps any Larry, you're not the only one in this boat. When I found a cracked grommet that was just beginning to weep fuel, I was determined to keep all fuel taps on the top of the tanks. I figured out how to modify a Weatherhead valve so I could have right, left, both and off, but the fear of running a tank dry and sucking air has me debating the real merits of this set up. I haven't come up with anything better than John's method of putting an interconnection between the tanks on the bottom and let them self level. Until I get the rewiring program accomplished I've been doing the Scarlett O'Hara method. "I shall think about that tomorrow". Rick On 1/28/07, John Hauck wrote: > > > I really don't want to, still trying to follow the KISS principal. > > I am at a loss. > Larry, Oregon > > Hi Larry: > > I never had an airplane with this "screwy" system of pulling fuel from > two tanks through one line. > > If I did have two tanks, you can be assured I would be pulling from > the bottom of both into a T. I can assure you you will then be > getting equal draw from each tank. > > There is a neoprene grommet and elbow fitting available from Kolb or > most any UL parts house for tapping a plastic or metal tank. I have > used them for many years and many hours with great success. > > If you still want to pull fuel from the top of the tank, then tap the > bottoms, tie them together so gravity can do its job for you. > > Why switch back and forth between tanks with your fuel level sender > when you are working with a flow system that doesn't work logically? > > My thoughts for what they are worth. 2 cents. > > john h > mkIII > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: tank troubles
Date: Jan 28, 2007
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tank troubles > If I did have two tanks, you can be assured I would be pulling from > the bottom of both into a T. I can assure you you will then be > getting equal draw from each tank. > > There is a neoprene grommet and elbow fitting available from Kolb or > most any UL parts house for tapping a plastic or metal tank. I have > used them for many years and many hours with great success. > I am afraid that is the part that is causing me the confusion. I am using grommets and pulling from the bottom of both tanks, The lines go to a "Y" to form one line that goes to the faucet pump, then to the carbs. My set up is exactly what you describe, but it isn't working! The only thing that could be causing my problem is that my air vent is plugged, but I am pretty sure that there aren't any Mud Daubers working at single digit temps. :-) The fact that I am picking up my gas from the bottom of my tanks is the only thing that kept me from walking back tonight. When I got into the hanger I noticed that I had a bit less than a gallon in the one tank and three gallons in the other. You should see me sweat in those single digits. Larry,Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2007
From: Bob Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: help!
Larry, Just found an old(!) msg (aug 7, 1998) I sent on FLY- UL(at)majordomo.hughes.net with diagram for Icom A-22 external PTT ckt. Still need that info? regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: tank troubles
Date: Jan 28, 2007
Larry C: The push in grommets and fittings have a proven track record, a hell of a lot better than your current fuel system. I have some in my fuel tank that have been in service for 15 years. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: tank troubles
If it is the vents, try switching the caps between the two tanks and see if you get the same results. My old system always drew evenly from both tanks. WARNING, the following is an untested idea, but I will be using it to vent my tanks. I drilled a 1/4" hole through the little cap on the tank handle and the threaded boss it screws onto. I beaded a short piece of 1/4" aluminum tubing on both ends (put the cap on this tube before doing the second bead, you can guess how I learned that one) Bead one end about a 1/2" from the end so there is tubing to go down in the boss rather than just setting on top. Slide a piece of fuel proof line onto this and connect the two tanks with a tee. Run the single line from the tee up to the engine mount tube then back down and out the bottom of the cabin. I believe this will do two things. One, prevent any kind of fuel spill in case of being flipped over, and two, pick up ram air to pressurize the tanks and take a bit of load off the fuel pump. I stole this idea from the LongEZ guys. Rick On 1/28/07, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tank troubles > > > If I did have two tanks, you can be assured I would be pulling from > > the bottom of both into a T. I can assure you you will then be > > getting equal draw from each tank. > > > > There is a neoprene grommet and elbow fitting available from Kolb or > > most any UL parts house for tapping a plastic or metal tank. I have > > used them for many years and many hours with great success. > > > > > I am afraid that is the part that is causing me the confusion. I am using > grommets and pulling from the bottom of both tanks, The lines go to a "Y" > to > form one line that goes to the faucet pump, then to the carbs. My set up > is > exactly what you describe, but it isn't working! The only thing that could > be causing my problem is that my air vent is plugged, but I am pretty sure > that there aren't any Mud Daubers working at single digit temps. :-) > > The fact that I am picking up my gas from the bottom of my tanks is the > only > thing that kept me from walking back tonight. When I got into the hanger I > noticed that I had a bit less than a gallon in the one tank and three > gallons in the other. You should see me sweat in those single digits. > > Larry,Oregon > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rivits or Stitching
Date: Jan 28, 2007
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
When riveting do you use a rivet made of the same material as the rib???? Wouldn't electrolysis become an issue long term if you don't??? Also does the small deposits of metal that fall into the rivet hole when drilling pose any problems? Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: donghe@one-eleven.net To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rib Stitching I distinctly remember my old airframe instructor back at Spartan telling us that on flat ribs...you stitch em...on round ribs, you rivet em. I cannot remember if it was a FAA requirement, but the 4113 manual should give the answer there. I acknowledge it might not be applicable to experimental class birds, but I considered it quite seriously when I built my wings..after much rumination,,I considered the history of the riveted round ribs was plenty good and the chance at making "puckers" in the fabric around the round rib with a stitch caused me to rivet them. I know the puckers wouldnt show after applying the wide tape, but the pucker seems like a weakspot in fabric/rib connection, and thats what keeps the ribs in column under mucho stresso.. maybe a fella oughta try a test piece of stretched fabric over a round rib to get the hang of it before jumping in on a nicely covered wing. Might cause a man to decide the rivets are acceptable. maybe not Just a few contributing thoughts..in caseyou have not considered them. -------- Don G FireFly#098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91116#91116 ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Rivits or Stitching
Date: Jan 28, 2007
| When riveting do you use a rivet made of the same material as the | rib???? | Wouldn't electrolysis become an issue long term if you don't??? | | Also does the small deposits of metal that fall into the rivet hole | when drilling | pose any problems? | | Mark Vaughn Mark: All of the problems with riveting fabric were probably worked out before the FAA put their stamp on it. I've been flying these "things" with fabric rivets for 23 years. Have not encountered any problems. I think it is safe and prudent to use rivets to secure the fabric. john h PS: Wonder if bubble gum would work better? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 28, 2007
Subject: Re: Rivits or Stitching
In a message dated 1/28/2007 10:53:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes: john h PS: Wonder if bubble gum would work better John, Be sure and make sure you chew it long enough to get the sugar completely out! Ed ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Steel landing gear? Which models?
Date: Jan 29, 2007
>From experience he knew just how much to bend it >> Hi Richard, experience is a great thing. I toured a car maker some years ago and they were straightening drive shafts exactly like that. These were new shafts, about 5 ft long which connect the engine to the differential gear box on the back axle. They apparently come from the forging process with quite a curve on them. Easily discernable to the naked eye, maybe 1/2 inch or more out of true. The guys were putting them in a jig which held the ends down, turn the bend to face downwards, press a pedal and a ram came up from below and pushed the shaft straight. They just jiggled the shaft and pressed the pedal couple of times and that was that, straight on to the assembly. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: APilot(at)webtv.net
Date: Jan 29, 2007
Subject: Re: help!
Re: Push to tallk switch. I have never been able to get my ptt switch to work with my JPH520 radio. Recently, I was told that my radio may not have the circuit for a ptt switch. Guess that I should have bought an Icom. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: EIS to intercom wire
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Jan 29, 2007
Anyone know what the red/blue wire from the EIS to Intercom system is for? Even more what it does? -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91275#91275 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 29, 2007
From: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Speaking of fabric
How does one avoid a scalloped edge of fabric when folding over and gluing the final edge of a fabric seam. I start with a clean cut straight edge of fabric but going up and over any ribs that sit on top of a tube causes it to look crooked. Their seems to be no way to cut a crooked line that looks straight until its glued. Any tricks? Vic 912 Extra Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: help!
Date: Jan 29, 2007
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> Charlie was nice enough to let me call him and this is what we found. The micro jack has three separate contacts. The outer one is the red, (push to talk) the next is the black wire (audio) the last is the green ( ground) The white wire is not used on the jack. Therefore the red and the green are connected to the momentary switch in the grip. When the button is pushed the circuit would be completed. The white and black are connected together and that allows the microphone to work. If this is not clear, let me know I will try again. I joined the areoElectric list to see if they could help me. this is the reply that I got shown below. Thanks Larry, Oregon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From the AreoElectric list. Correct. ALL PTT buttons are normally open, momentary operation. > When I cut into the wire I find a red, green, white and black wire. The > red and green show continuity when the button is pushed. Then use these two wires. > The white and black also are a closed circuit. I really don't want to > screw things up, can anybody enlighten me as to the best way to hook this > up. Didn't your stick grip come with a schematic? If not, contact the suppler and suggest that his product is NOT ready for prime-time until it's shipped with lucid, tell-all instructions. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: antennas
Date: Jan 29, 2007
This is from my last email sent to Larry Cottrell, I hope someone can use the information. Boyd I have a cut sheet for antenna's and it says 23.5. The part I am not sure of is whether the center conductor at 23.5 and the braid pointed the other direction at 23.5 is the correct way to go. As it is I mounted my old antenna up on the top of the wind screen close to the wings, and it really doesn't do that badly. I am going to make one of your antennas and use it on the portable that I leave with Karen. First however I will try it on the plane and if it performs better than the outside antenna, I will make another for the wife. Thanks Larry ................ Larry 23.5 would be correct and that is what I have seen in some aircraft magazines. But it depends on the type of wire you are using. It seems that every piece of coax has its very own velocity factor which is stated as .7 .75 .78 .8 etc. the velocity factor is a percent of the speed of light. If the velocity factor is .9 my antenna would have to be longer than an antenna of my design with a coax of velocity factor of .7 that Is why you have to measure the swr or standing wave ratio in order to properly tune it. In receive it wont make much difference,,,, but in transmit the worse case is it will over temp the final transistors and burn them out. To picture what a swr is, tie a rope to a door knob.( visualize the rope as if it were the antenna) Stand across the room and pull the rope almost tight and then with a flick of the wrist in an up and down motion watch the pulse in the rope travel up the rope hit the far end then come back to your hand. The amount of energy your hand has to absorb would be absorbed by the final transistors. Now I suppose if you could get the rope the exact length, when you gave your end a flip, the pulse would travel up the rope and just as it hit the other end all of the energy from the flip was used up and nothing come back then the antenna would be in resonance to the frequency. Now in a rope a longer rope would use up all the energy, but in a wire antenna longer or shorter will cause the back lash. A longer coax between the radio and antenna would just use up energy and be of no use. For a handheld radio one of the easiest ways to extend the range with a rubber duck antenna or with an telescopic antenna, { if you use a telescopic antenna you need to figure the proper distance to telescope it to} you could go to Ham Radio Outlet hro.com and find what is called a tiger tail. Basically it is an eyelet with a piece of wire attached to it that goes under the bnc connector of the antenna, it works the same as the braid hanging out. Very nice and portable, but if you want an antenna you can hang in the living room, my diple would work well. Another antenna you could use at the house would be a J Pole antenna Hope this diagram works. .................o.............................. \ ........o../ The left side is the top and the right the bottom and can be mounted to a steel pole or direct buried into the ground. The coax hooks into the antenna where indicated by the o. it is best if made of or inch copper pipe. The length of the 2 upper pipes and the exact positioning of the o is how you tune the antenna. The bottom length can be any distance. This is a great antenna for outdoors because it is short circuited to ground in case of lighting strikes. Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: EIS to intercom wire
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Jan 29, 2007
FYI, Talked to Sany at grand rapids today and yes the red/blue wire is a audio warning input if anything is out of limit. It goes beep beep beep. Rather anoying to most pilots as she mentioned and most folks dont hook it up however if you acklowdege the signal the beeping stops but the red light stays on untill things are within limits. Sandy and the gang at grand rapids are great folks and have a great sence of humor. I asked Sandy why not have the sexy girl say "Your to low" or "You have a oil temp out of range" hehe she replied "That girl quit!" -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91431#91431 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 29, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: help!
Well, it certrainly isn't definitive, but it truly focuses on who caused the problem. It certainly wasn't you, Larry. Bob is right, that info should have been forthcoming from the manufacturer. If we as consumers don't push back we will always be left to our own devices to fix what the manufacturer has left undone. It's one that should be proceeded with. You paid their asking price and they have let you down. If no one holds their feet to the fire they will never improve. Rick On 1/29/07, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlie England" <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> > > > Charlie was nice enough to let me call him and this is what we found. > > The micro jack has three separate contacts. The outer one is the red, > (push > to talk) the next is the black wire (audio) the last is the green ( > ground) > The white wire is not used on the jack. Therefore the red and the green > are > connected to the momentary switch in the grip. When the button is pushed > the > circuit would be completed. The white and black are connected together and > that allows the microphone to work. If this is not clear, let me know I > will > try again. > > I joined the areoElectric list to see if they could help me. this is the > reply that I got shown below. > Thanks > Larry, Oregon > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From the AreoElectric list. > > Correct. ALL PTT buttons are normally open, momentary > operation. > > > When I cut into the wire I find a red, green, white and black wire. The > > red and green show continuity when the button is pushed. > > Then use these two wires. > > > The white and black also are a closed circuit. I really don't want to > > screw things up, can anybody enlighten me as to the best way to hook > this > > up. > > Didn't your stick grip come with a schematic? If not, > contact the suppler and suggest that his product is > NOT ready for prime-time until it's shipped with > lucid, tell-all instructions. > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: APilot(at)webtv.net
Date: Jan 29, 2007
Subject: Re: antennas
I gave up trying to transmit. I could hear okay with my exterior antenna, but most could not hear me very good.. Recently, I purchase an inside antenna from a place in Canada. I think that it is called a magic air. Anyway, it is suppose to be pre-tuned and is mounted inside the fiberglass nose cone. If anyone has tried one let me know how it worked. I will be installing mine and testing it next week. Fingers are crossed. Vic in Sacramento ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 29, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: tank troubles
John Hauck wrote: > > I really don't want to, still trying to follow the KISS principal. > >I am at a loss. >Larry, Oregon > >Hi Larry: > >I never had an airplane with this "screwy" system of pulling fuel from >two tanks through one line. > >If I did have two tanks, you can be assured I would be pulling from >the bottom of both into a T. I can assure you you will then be >getting equal draw from each tank. > >There is a neoprene grommet and elbow fitting available from Kolb or >most any UL parts house for tapping a plastic or metal tank. I have >used them for many years and many hours with great success. > >If you still want to pull fuel from the top of the tank, then tap the >bottoms, tie them together so gravity can do its job for you. > >Why switch back and forth between tanks with your fuel level sender >when you are working with a flow system that doesn't work logically? > >My thoughts for what they are worth. 2 cents. > >john h >mkIII > I don't know didly about Kolbs, but most high wing Cessnas with 2 wing tanks & the selector on 'both' feed unevenly. Others have mentioned venting issues; that's usually the cause of uneven feeds. It's very difficult to set up the tank vents where both tanks pressurize evenly. Add in inadvertent slip angles in flight, slight differences in fuel line length, routing, etc & It would be more surprising if they *did* feed evenly. :-) One technique in the homebuilt community (the Bede BD-4 is a good example) to work around the problem is to feed both tanks into the top of a small low mounted 'sump' tank & feed the engine from the bottom of that tank. Bear in mind that no homebuilt I'm aware of uses a syphon type feed out of the primary tanks; all draw from the bottom of the tanks. FWIW, Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: tank troubles
Date: Jan 29, 2007
| Add in inadvertent slip angles in flight, slight differences in fuel | line length, routing, etc & It would be more surprising if they *did* | feed evenly. :-) | | Charlie Charlie: Pull the fuel off the bottom of both tanks, siamese the vents to one line, and I bet the fuel will drain evenly from both tanks. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: EIS to intercom wire
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 29, 2007
With EIS there is no scanning guages, it really lets you give more of your attention to the scenery outside. I never have to look to see if my oil pressure, temperature, etc is ok. If anything gets out of range, the flashing red light along with the flashing number that is out of range gets my attention immidately. With my luck, the oil pressure would start to fall exactly when I am not looking at the guage... With an EIS, it gets my attention as soon as it happens. Talk about taking a load off, not to have to monitor engine instruments, and spending more time looking outside is what flying a Kolb is all about :) Michael A. Bigelow -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91479#91479 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: EIS to intercom wire
Date: Jan 29, 2007
Talk about taking a load off, not to have to monitor engine instruments, and spending more time looking outside is what flying a Kolb is all about :) | | Michael A. Bigelow Mike: A good pilot can scan his gauges in a split second. Learned how to do that in Primary Training, and can still do it. Don't think I have lost any time lately enjoying the beautiful places I get to fly my old bird. I have flown with the EIS enough to know what I am comfortable with. Besides, what would I do with my old collections of gauges if I upgraded to a blinking light and a beeper in my headset? john h mkIII Old fashioned, but it still gets away from home occassionally. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Jan 29, 2007
Try the .17 HMR. It is a wonderful cat tonic. It is very effective and makes much less mess than a 12GA. or a .223REM. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91487#91487 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 29, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: tank troubles
John Hauck wrote: > > > | Add in inadvertent slip angles in flight, slight differences in >fuel >| line length, routing, etc & It would be more surprising if they >*did* >| feed evenly. :-) > | >| Charlie > > >Charlie: > >Pull the fuel off the bottom of both tanks, siamese the vents to one >line, and I bet the fuel will drain evenly from both tanks. > >john h >mkIII > It might, but it might not. Some of the previously mentioned Cessnas have the tank vents siamesed together. They still don't feed evenly. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 29, 2007
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
First things first, cat soup is real good, taste just like rabbit. Seeing what you have there I don't think you got that big of problem other than just the pain of doing the repair. The biggest issue is what kind of color top coat (paint) do you have on the fabric? If it Aero-thane or enamel it may be more work, if it's Poly-tone, it shouldn't be as bad. It gets down to if you have to remove the top coat or if you can glue the repair fabric patch to it, if poly-tone, it would be easier. As John Hauck indicated, talk to the Millers about what they suggest to prepare the surface for the patch and what to use to adhere the patch to the original fabric, poly-tac cement or poly-brush based upon the type of top coat. Really it's not that bad. Once you get into it, you'll have it done in no time. jerb At 04:45 PM 1/28/2007, you wrote: > >I have had an incident with the son-in-laws cats... please don't get >me started on that..... > >See the attached photo. one of them jumped up to get on the wing >that was hanging in the garage and sliced the fabric. > >Question: can these slices be repaired or should i recover the entire wing??? > >Thanks a bunch... > >-------- >The air up there in the clouds is very pure and fine...And why >shouldn't it be?- >--It is the same the angels breathe. > Mark Twain, > Roughing it' 1886 > >Mike > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91133#91133 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg3809_380.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 30, 2007
Subject: Re: EIS to intercom wire
In a message dated 1/29/2007 7:59:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes: When do you guys with EIS, audio and video warnings, flashing red lights, etc., find time to fly the plane? john h \ My red light, after about 600 hrs., has neve blinked except for a second when ai turn it on. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 30, 2007
From: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Fw: Speaking of fabric
----- Original Message ----- From: Vic Peters Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:59 AM Subject: Speaking of fabric How does one avoid a scalloped edge of fabric when folding over and gluing the final edge of a fabric seam. I start with a clean cut straight edge of fabric but going up and over any ribs that sit on top of a tube causes it to look crooked. Their seems to be no way to cut a crooked line that looks straight until its glued. Any tricks? Vic 912 Extra Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
From: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net>
Date: Jan 30, 2007
I think Kolb supplied two designs for the steel legs. A very flexible version (I think Steve Green has these); and a very stiff, heat treated version which I think is now the standard. I traded my old aluminum legs to Travis & bought the new, stiff legs. I installed extensions so they go up to the top of the "V" in the cage. I had to use carbide bits to drill these. They were very tough. The deflection is minimal. See attached pictures for the extensions and the legs. Rex Rodebush Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91579#91579 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/legs3_11_09_05_small_137.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/legs1_11_09_05_small_579.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/05270006_leg_extensions_small_380.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/05270007_leg_extensions_small_211.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Jan 30, 2007
| See attached pictures for the extensions and the legs. | | Rex Rodebush Rex: I think you may be a bit confused on the steel gear legs. Normalized 4130 is stiff. When bent, it will remain bent. Heat treated 4130 is flexible. When bent, it will return to its original shape. It is now a spring. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Jan 30, 2007
| I think Kolb supplied two designs for the steel legs. | Rex Rodebush Rex: Forgot to mention in previous post. The heat treated legs will seem very stiff until there is some weight on them. Once you get the engine, wings, fuel, and your body in the airplane, the legs will get quite flexible. Without the weight, they will seem like they will not bend. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
From: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net>
Date: Jan 30, 2007
Hi John, My understanding is that if you take a piece of 4140 normalized and bend it it will deflect to the yield point and then deform. If you take the same piece and heat treat it (heat, quench and draw) to a higher yield it will then bend and deflect but will require a much higher force to bend the same amount and will therefore be stiffer (and also harder with the higher yield). If I'm wrong on this let me know. Rex Rodebush Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91599#91599 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 30, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
John, One of the things that helped make up my mind to not install the steel legs is the need to change the wing angle of incidence (according to the TNK document that came with the legs). Did you do this and if so, how? Rick On 1/30/07, John Hauck wrote: > > > | I think Kolb supplied two designs for the steel legs. | Rex > Rodebush > > > Rex: > > Forgot to mention in previous post. > > The heat treated legs will seem very stiff until there is some weight > on them. Once you get the engine, wings, fuel, and your body in the > airplane, the legs will get quite flexible. Without the weight, they > will seem like they will not bend. > > john h > mkIII > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
From: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net>
Date: Jan 30, 2007
Rex: "Forgot to mention in previous post. The heat treated legs will seem very stiff until there is some weight on them. Once you get the engine, wings, fuel, and your body in the airplane, the legs will get quite flexible. Without the weight, they..." John, I agree, I think we are saying the same thing. Also, I did not change the wing incendence. These legs plus the fat tires will set me up higher so I'm closer to a 3 point stall landing, which I want. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91608#91608 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: antennas
Date: Jan 30, 2007
Several years ago there was a great hue and cry about trimming/ adjusting VHF antennas and their associated transmission lines/coax for exact SWRs. This so-called "problem" is greatly overrated at the transmitter power levels found in our powerful 1-5 watters. And the same obtains with the associated receiver. SWRs of 2:1, even 3:1 won't "blow" the final amp in the xmtr; nor will there be much perceived loss of rcvr sensitivity. Antenna placement and altitude are much larger factors. Bob N. You are exactly correct with regard to 2 to 1 and a properly tuned antenna at 1 to 1 in the center of the band will probably have a 2 to 1 at each end... but 3 to 1 is a stretch for me... and for those who don't check it.... who knows what it really is. Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Jan 30, 2007
Mike, Are you sure a cat did this damage? I cant imagine a cats claw ripping the fabric like that. If so you must have some pretty mean cats sir! -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91626#91626 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 30, 2007
From: kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Yes, the wings are hanging in the garage about 7 feet off the ground. There is the Son in Law's piano sitting underneath them. (another story) I imagine that one or both of them tried to jump on the wing and slipped causing the slashes.. The sweet kitties are about 12 lbs each... There are other marks on the top side, which the photo doesn't show, that is definite Feline sign... Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Petty <paulpetty(at)myway.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:55:23 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... Mike, Are you sure a cat did this damage? I cant imagine a cats claw ripping the fabric like that. If so you must have some pretty mean cats sir! -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91626#91626 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Jan 30, 2007
| John, One of the things that helped make up my mind to not install the steel | legs is the need to change the wing angle of incidence (according to the TNK | document that came with the legs). Did you do this and if so, how? | | Rick Rick: No, I didn't do that. First I heard of it. My legs and main gear mounts were designed and fabricated by Brother Jim. I left the incidence per what was called for in the plans. Would be nice to have less incidence, probably pick up a few mph by having the tail boom fly straight through the air, rather than at an angle which increases drag. A little late for that at this time. Don't want to change windshield, quarter windows, and lift struts. I am pretty happy with 88 mph at 5,000 rpm empty with 10 gal fuel. Of course this slows down to around 80 to 85 when I am seriously loaded to go traveling. Still a decent cruise speed that has proven, if I am patient, I can get there and get home. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
From: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net>
Date: Jan 30, 2007
| John, One of the things that helped make up my mind to not install the steel | legs is the need to change the wing angle of incidence (according to the TNK | document that came with the legs). Did you do this and if so, how? | | Rick Rick: No, I didn't do that. First I heard of it. John / Rick, kolb is suppling a new rear wing attach fitting that is slightly wider than the old one. This allows you to add washers on either side to raise or lower the trailing edge. I wanted these just in case I needed them for fine tuning. I think they were made so you could compensate for the new gear. Travis could give you the details. Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91665#91665 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Jan 30, 2007
John, Is that poly tone or areothane? So far I havent had the spots in the cub yellow areothane.....knock on wood. Hows the mark3 coming along? -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91673#91673 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Date: Jan 30, 2007
John C: You did a good job on the wing repair. Really looks good. Super important area for proper patching. To lose a patch in that area in flight would blow all the fabric off the wing. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Jan 30, 2007
Mike, I trust you know what did the damage to the wing but I have a hard time beleving a cat could do that type of damage. You dont have a pissed off girlfriend of wife lurking in your shop do you? hehehe -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91675#91675 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cooley" <jcooley380(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats...
Date: Jan 30, 2007
Paul, It is poly tone on the fabric. I have cub yellow areothane on the boom tube and it has the spots too. I will probably use the Air Tech system on the MK III based on information I got from a guy that has done a good many cover jobs. I know that most folks on here use the poly fiber system and Jim and Dondi Miller are great folks but my experience with the cub yellow has really turned me off. It has happened to me on two different planes and I have seen the same spotting to a lesser degree in other poly fiber cub yellow paint jobs. Besides, the Air Tech looks like will be easier to apply. I hope to get started covering the MK III this summer. Speaking of covering MK III's what weight fabric are you folks using? Later, John Cooley -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III Wing Fabric Repair... Damn Cats... John, Is that poly tone or areothane? So far I havent had the spots in the cub yellow areothane.....knock on wood. Hows the mark3 coming along? -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91673#91673 -- 2:49 PM -- 2:49 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Winter flying (need skis)
From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Date: Jan 30, 2007
Anybody fly in the winter? Any stories or pictures to share? In N. Idaho, the highs are still below freezing but I still have to get my flyin' fix. It's harder in the winter, where before you fly you have to plow the runways, taxiways, and your hangar area. But it's still fun and worthwhile. For next winter I want to get some skis for my Firefly. Anybody have any recommendations for what skis to get and where? Thanks, Jim -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91697#91697 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dcp_5948_158.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dcp_5945_104.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 30, 2007
From: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Winter flying (need skis)
Have Ellery make you a pair of skies, if he doesn't already have some done. I've seen them,held them,loved them, strong & light. Vic 912Extra Me. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Charles Brown - Kolb Firestar II builder - Tucson, AZ area
From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 30, 2007
Anybody know a Charles Brown of Tucson, AZ? He built my Kolb Firestar II in 1996/1997. The telephone listed on the owners manual is no longer valid. I have a couple of questions I wanted to see if he could answer about my aircraft. Thanks~! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91727#91727 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flycrazy8(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 31, 2007
Subject: Tractor Kolb Firefly ?
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Subject: Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ?
Date: Jan 31, 2007
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
Well that sure messed with the old CG didn't it HAHAHAHAHA Mark Vaughn -----Original Message----- From: Flycrazy8(at)aol.com Sent: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:25 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Tractor Kolb Firefly ? [Image Removed] ________________________________________________________________________ across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winter flying (need skis)
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 31, 2007
It looks like you'll need a taller windshield before you'll need skiis. That must be COLD. :o -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91790#91790 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 31, 2007
Subject: Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ?
From: Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)juno.com>
Re: Tractor KOlb Talked to the fellow who built it some days ago.. St. Louis Area... He started with a wrecked Kolb MkII . I thought it could have been an Ultra Star? Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 31, 2007
From: "David Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net>
Subject: Re: Tractor Kolb Firefly ?
Pictures here: http://vula2.org/images/land_planes/Kolb-tractors/ David On 1/31/07, Herb Gayheart wrote: > > > guys > > Bill Bronson is his name..Wrote a vw col. for Experimenter mag as I > recall.. > > I think you are correct.. seat tank? He also sells his version of half > vw plans . That is a half vw on the nose.. > > There is a half vw on a Kolb Firefly in east tenn. Haven't talked > with the fellow for a few months..His initial flights were very > promising.. Likely waiting out the winter before taking to the air > again..? Engine wt will likely be a bit less than a 447. 94 mm nickasil > jugs. > > I have some ideas for a plane that I will call the "Ultra Fly" . > Will use a half vw.. Parts from an Ultra Star and a Firefly.. High > boom and training wheel.. :-) Herb > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winter flying (need skis)
From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Date: Jan 31, 2007
It hasn't been too cold but I haven't gone UL flying in < 20 deg F. It's no worse than snowmobiling. The hardest part is getting everything prepared. Once your sitting in the cockpit the hard part is over and the fun begins. But I definitelly need a full enclosure! Why is Ellery? How do I contact him re skis? Thanks, Jim -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91852#91852 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 31, 2007
From: "Vic Peters" <vicsvinyl(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Winter flying (need skis)
ElleryWeld(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Speaking of fabric
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Jan 31, 2007
Use chalk line. Snap a line to glue up to, and snap and trim the edge that you are going to be gluing down. Leave yourself enough slack that the ribs won't scallop the edge. I learned this while helping Larry Cottrell cover his firestar. When I built my firestar, I thought I was doing a better job by pulling all the slack out of the fabric as I glued. When it came time to shrink, I was unable to use much heat on the ailerons and tail surfaces without bending the tubes. We left more slack on Larrys and it came out nice- tight fabric, straight tubes. After you snap your trim line, paint a thin strip of poly tack over the chalk line. This way all of the threads will stay in place after cutting and you will have a nice clean seam. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91874#91874 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 31, 2007
Subject: Re: La Jolla/glider port
In a message dated 1/24/2007 12:08:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rp3420(at)freescale.com writes: George/Gang, I grew up in North San Diego county in a little town called Rancho Bernardo/Poway area during the 70's and 80's. Back then "Blacks Beach" was the nude bathing beach for the San Diego area. As a surfing youth, inexplicably the rip tides would suddenly and forcefully push us over to the Black Beach surf. I think I spent more time on the beach and surf then I did up on the cliffs flying RC gliders. George, one could appreciate the challenge mother nature there........I know I did......and I'm not talking about the surf, or soaring either. ;O) Tim FSII which reminds me when my wife barb and I went there 20 years or so ago, I was utterly amazed at the wonder of the winds and high altitude of the cliffs off of which people such as myself.... I considered myself as normal people then..... were willfully jumping off the cliffs seemingly into the pacific ocean. Of course they were immediately lifted before our eyes up as soon as they launched themselves, above the lip of the cliff in an august ascension that defied earthly description. It was from this joyous scene that my pioneering spirit caused me to meander to an area of the cliff that was cordoned off in fear that the cliff would take whatever was on it and deposit it abruptly 500 feet down into the ocean. My wife called out in fear that I might disappear forever before the death certificate was properly filled out, that I was on unhallowed ground, and that my life was in danger. I peered over the cliff to the ground and yelled back to her that I thought that I saw a nude man walking down the beach in a black hat only. Before I had pronounced "black hat" I felt her brushing my arm, with neck craned, asking expectantly ....."where is he?" I guess she showed her pioneering spirit too. This happened before I purchased my Kolb Firestar KX......long ago. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Kulp" <undoctor(at)rcn.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Road
Date: Jan 31, 2007
Dennis, Tucson's pretty far from the canyon, but do you know if Kolb Rd. has anything to do with the Kolb brothers who explored the Grand Canyon and then wrote books and set up a photographer's shop virtually on the canyon wall? I have a couple of their works and a DVD about them. They were a couple of crazy guys!!! I first learned of them from a movie at the Imax Theatre on the South Rim on a 'cycle trip out there. If you haven't seen it and it's still playing, there's some incredible footage re-creating their early 20th century excursion down the Colorado River through the Canyon (before the dams); an adventure that a couple of members who didn't do well with the extreme risk, quit to try to return to civilization and were never heard from again. An ultralight was used for a lot of the film making (but I don't know if was a Kolb). The Kolb's studio is still in use as a shop and, I think, a museum. Thanks a bunch for the local insight, Dennis. Cuz says there are airplanes almost as far as you can see. Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 31, 2007
Subject: Re: Winter flying (need skis)
I only slide the wheels on to make it easier to drag the firestar into the trailer If anyone on the list wants measurements and or -Details email me off list I would gladly get that info to you so you can do some winter flying also Rear View of right ski with wheel Front view of left ski with wheel Left view with wheels on Left side view without wheels Pleas archive Ellery ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Ultralight flying
Date: Jan 31, 2007
The field you guys are referring to is Deer Park Airport. This is where I trained back in 1995 with Dan Nixon, in his Quicksilver MXII. He kept it at Andy Knapp's farm, just off Argonne Rd, north of the eastern edge of Spokane. Once in awhile we would drop in to Mead Airstrip (which wouldn't surprise me a bit if it's a housing area now). But mostly, we did touch and goes, etc. at Deer Park. They had TWO runways. The North/South runway was for regular airplanes, and the (Closed) runway that was East/West was used by the U/L crowd. Mike in Utah, formerly from N. Idaho. _________________________________________________________________ Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Fabric weight
Date: Jan 31, 2007
The weight the Kolb's use is the 2.7 oz. "medium weight" polyfiber. Mike in Utah _________________________________________________________________ Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tc1917" <tc1917(at)hughes.net>
Subject: flow meter
Date: Feb 01, 2007
Got a call from my local marine dealer where I just purchased a navman flow meter complete. He got it from wisconsin or somewhere. I posted that he had access to one more. He talked to someone on the list who was interested and would call back. he went ahead and got it sent to his marina. wants the caller to know he will have it tuesday or wednesday next week and ready for the deal. if you are the person, please call him back to verify the purchase. if not, it will go someplace else. probably the last one out there. not a bad price considering someone else is putting a label on it and selling for twice the amount. if he doesnt call back, I will let the list know and someone else will buy it. ted cowan, alabama. if he lost the number it is 1--334-298-1313 or 1-334-298-8282. Now, I must add here that he wont know who it is that calls and buys it, so it is kinda up for grabs to the first one who calls him. I think itis $153 plus shipping. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BSERBJR(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 01, 2007
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 01/31/07
Have changed my email address. Please send mail to _rmerb(at)rochester.rr.com_ (mailto:rmerb(at)rochester.rr.com) Thank you ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 01, 2007
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Fabric weight
> > > The weight the Kolb's use is the 2.7 oz. "medium weight" polyfiber. >Mike in Utah > Mike, 1.7 oz fabric is used to cover the FireFly. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 01, 2007
From: "David Lehman" <david(at)davidlehman.net>
Subject: Re: Ultralight flying
No Mike, I used to work at Deer Park Airport, an ex-Military field... The strip I flew from was private property with several ultralights based there... DVD ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 01, 2007
Subject: Re: Winter flying (need skis)
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
How much does each ski weigh? Do you make yours out of square aluminum tubing? > > I only slide the wheels on to make it easier to drag the firestar into the > trailer > If anyone on the list wants measurements and or Details email me off list > I > would gladly get that info to you so you can do some winter flying also > > Rear View of right ski with wheel > > Front view of left ski with wheel > > Left view with wheels on > > Left side view without wheels > > Pleas archive > > Ellery > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Feb 01, 2007
Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic? Do you still have them? Pic? Denny Rowe rowedenny(at)windstream.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/26/2007 11:11 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Feb 01, 2007
Rex, I have always used aluminum gear legs. I have bent one set in about 500 hours. Those were bent about 30 seconds after a rod bearing failed in a 582. I was over Tellico lake when the engine failed and used up all of my excess air speed to clear a line of trees that was between me and the field I was going to land in. After clearing the trees I was about 3 knots above stall speed.....not enough to flare for a good landing. Steven Green > > I think Kolb supplied two designs for the steel legs. A very flexible version (I think Steve Green has these); and a very stiff, heat treated version which I think is now the standard. I traded my old aluminum legs to Travis & bought the new, stiff legs. I installed extensions so they go up to the top of the "V" in the cage. I had to use carbide bits to drill these. They were very tough. The deflection is minimal. > > See attached pictures for the extensions and the legs. > > Rex Rodebush > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Feb 01, 2007
Are "these" ----- Original Message ----- From: Denny Rowe To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic? Do you still have them? Pic? Denny Rowe rowedenny(at)windstream.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/31/2007 3:16 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Mark 111 in Albuquerque
Date: Feb 01, 2007
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
<< I'm going to be in Albuquerque, NM from the 1st to the 5th of Feb. - John Murphy >> John - Sorry for the late answer. I keep my Mark-III at Sandia Airpark, about 25 miles east of Albuquerque. I'd offer to take you for a demo ride in it, but, unfortunately, I can't even get my plane out of the hangar! With all the recent snow here in central New Mexico lately, there is a berm of snow at the base of my hangar doors three feet high, that has settled & frozen into a wall of solid ice. Went to fly last week, and I could not even get into my hangar without using a jackhammer to break the ice. Could not budge the doors. The frustrating part is, the doors of the hangars across the taxiway from me are completely clear of snow, as they are south facing. (My door, as luck would have it, faces north.) Join us at Monument Valley this coming May - we'll get you some time in a two-seater Kolb! Dennis Kirby waiting for warmer weather, in Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 01, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: 15 days
All, The first two of the registrations came back today just 15 days after being sent. Neither were for either Kolb or the new trike, but not a bad turn around for a government agency. Maybe it's because I live 140 miles from OK City, or I held my mouth right, who knows. Ironic that we're now 365 days from the deadline. Hopefully the others will come tomorrow. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Flying fields in WA
Date: Feb 01, 2007
To David Lehman, By any chance, is the place you're referring to a farm, north of Spokane. There was a place where about 6-7 ultralights were parked out by the road near a big oak tree, and flew off a 300' grass strip behind the house. This is (was?) Andy Knapp's place. I flew from there, too. Mike in Utah _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
From: "Rex Rodebush" <rrodebush(at)tema.net>
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: Mk 3 steel main gear legs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rex, I have always used aluminum gear legs. I have bent one set in about 500 hours. Those were bent about 30 seconds after a rod bearing failed in a 582. I was over Tellico lake when the engine failed and used up all of my excess air speed to clear a line of trees that was between me and the field I was going to land in. After clearing the trees I was about 3 knots above stall speed.....not enough to flare for a good landing. Steven Green ---------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Steve, I'm getting old and confused. I believe that TNK supplied some steel legs for the Mark III a few years ago that were very soft and springy as compaired to the new ones; and for some reason I thought you had them.............I may be wrong about the legs also. Anyone know for sure? Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92241#92241 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cooley" <jcooley380(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Fabric weight
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Thanks for the info. I think they used to send the light weight fabric with the MK III kits, but it just seems like it would need the medium weight fabric, at least on the wings. Later, John Cooley The weight the Kolb's use is the 2.7 oz. "medium weight" polyfiber. Mike in Utah -- 2:28 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Feb 02, 2007
They did sell springy ones. I have a set that I am saving for the time when I trash my aluminum gear legs. Here is what they look like: Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92258#92258 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020769_large_166.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Rex & Richard I have a set of those gear legs installed in my VW powered MKIIIc. They are indeed springy. When you land hard with a bit too much airspeed you will find yourself 10ft in the air with very little airspeed. A blast of power fixes the next landing. These gear have I would guess the third most air miles as any Kolb. I bought them from ??? in Hawaii. He sold them because they were too springy. Personally I think they are just right. When everyone at Oshkosh is grumbling about how rough the ground is I just say "is it? I can't really tell". There are two things I would recommend doing to the gear before installing them. These are the same gear that the Old Kolb sold but they welded a steel tube 6 to 8 inches long on the end to carry the bending load further up into the landing gear sockets. I would weld that same tube on. The next thing would be to bend the gear down a bit to make the wheels run more vertical (is that camber?). They squat a bit when the plane is loaded. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs > > They did sell springy ones. I have a set that I am saving for the time > when I trash my aluminum gear legs. > Here is what they look like: > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92258#92258 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020769_large_166.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Subject: Re: Not Kolb Related, but worth the time to read. (SR-71
Blackbird)
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
I'm very happy that you did send it. Thanks! > > SR71 - Speed is King > An excerpt from "Sled Driver" by Brian Shul ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: florida kolbers
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Anyone heard from our Kolb brothers and sisters in FL? They got hit hard last night. The Villages got hit bad. I pray all are well. -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92329#92329 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Subject: Re: Not Kolb Related, but worth the time to read. (SR-71
Blackbird)
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Thanks so much for posting this! It's great. > > SR71 - Speed is King > An excerpt from "Sled Driver" by Brian Shul ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Not Kolb Related, but worth the time to read. (SR-71 B
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Feb 02, 2007
I like the one where the blackbird request clearnce to FL 600. Center replies "Sure but how do you plan to climb to FL600?" Blackbird comes back "we dont we wish to desend to FL600"! -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92354#92354 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Subject: Re: florida kolbers
In a message dated 2/2/2007 12:13:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, paulpetty(at)myway.com writes: Anyone heard from our Kolb brothers and sisters in FL? They got hit hard last night. The Villages got hit bad. I pray all are well. -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly I am the closest, Rich Swiderski is second...and both of us are fine....missed me by 4 miles as it skimmed the southern end of the 10 mile villages. George Randolph Firestar driver form the Villages firestar KX...447/ 3 blade Ivo...still dormant....momentarily ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: florida kolbers
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Excellant George! Glad you guys are ok. What about the Florida Flying Gator Airpark? -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92380#92380 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Arksey(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Subject: Florida Kolbers...
In a message dated 2/2/2007 Anyone heard from our Kolb brothers and sisters in FL? They got hit hard last night. The Villages got hit bad. I pray all are well. -------- all ok near Sebring, FL sure bad up North near Orlando. Just rain here and some wind. Jim Swan firestar ll rotax 503 .jim swan 10809 U S Hwy 27 South (Lake Josephine RV park. lot 28) ph 863-655-1535 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 02, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Colder than a well digger's knee caps here, I woosed out last night, but got a picture today. Still in TNK tape and factory insert up to here lines. Rick On 2/1/07, Denny Rowe wrote: > > Are "these" > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Denny Rowe > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs > > Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic? > Do you still have them? > Pic? > Denny Rowe > rowedenny(at)windstream.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard Girard > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs > > When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible > landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that > I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them. > $350 for the pair, plus shipping. > > Rick > > -- > Rick Girard > "Ya'll drop on in" > takes on a whole new meaning > when you live at the airport. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > ------------------------------ > Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > ------------------------------ > Date: 1/31/2007 3:16 PM > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N27SB(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Subject: Re: Stainless steel tangs
Scott, They are pretty easy to drill, Just make sure to clamp it down good, they have a habit of grabbing the bit. Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Are these set up for Matco brakes? Denny Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs Colder than a well digger's knee caps here, I woosed out last night, but got a picture today. Still in TNK tape and factory insert up to here lines. Rick On 2/1/07, Denny Rowe wrote: Are "these" ----- Original Message ----- From: Denny Rowe To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic? Do you still have them? Pic? Denny Rowe rowedenny(at)windstream.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Date: 1/31/2007 3:16 PM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 2/1/2007 2:28 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 02, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Had to dig out my receipt to get the answer to this one. Yes, I really don't like Azusa brakes, although that's what's on my plane now. Rick On 2/2/07, Denny Rowe wrote: > > Are these set up for Matco brakes? > Denny Rowe > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard Girard > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Friday, February 02, 2007 7:36 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs > > Colder than a well digger's knee caps here, I woosed out last night, but > got a picture today. Still in TNK tape and factory insert up to here lines. > > Rick > > On 2/1/07, Denny Rowe wrote: > > > Are "these" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Denny Rowe > > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs > > > > Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic? > > Do you still have them? > > Pic? > > Denny Rowe > > rowedenny(at)windstream.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Richard Girard > > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM > > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs > > > > When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible > > landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that > > I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them. > > $350 for the pair, plus shipping. > > > > Rick > > > > -- > > Rick Girard > > "Ya'll drop on in" > > takes on a whole new meaning > > when you live at the airport. > > > > * > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com"> > > http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM > > > > * > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com"> > > http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: 1/31/2007 3:16 PM > > > > ** > > * <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List* > > * <http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.com* > > > > > > > -- > Rick Girard > "Ya'll drop on in" > takes on a whole new meaning > when you live at the airport. > > ------------------------------ > Date: 2/1/2007 2:28 PM > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 02, 2007
Subject: Re:float plans
elery I sent the plans out earler this week mal ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 03, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re:float plans
At 12:05 AM 2/3/2007, you wrote: >Thanks, Whats the Bill on it and where do you want a check sent to > >Ellery Just make it out to "C. Ash" Send to P.O. Box 365, Hahira, Georgia. We love ya & we need ya - thanks. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 03, 2007
Subject: Re:float plans
any body want a set of float plans??? they are not that expensive to build andthey are less than $500 each you can pay as you go . malcolm. michigan. old kolb flyer ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Date: Feb 03, 2007
Richard, E-mail me off list so I have your address and phone #, I am leaning toward buying your gear legs for spares but have to talk it over with my partner Jay first. Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:04 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs Had to dig out my receipt to get the answer to this one. Yes, I really don't like Azusa brakes, although that's what's on my plane now. Rick On 2/2/07, Denny Rowe wrote: Are these set up for Matco brakes? Denny Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs Colder than a well digger's knee caps here, I woosed out last night, but got a picture today. Still in TNK tape and factory insert up to here lines. Rick On 2/1/07, Denny Rowe wrote: Are "these" ----- Original Message ----- From: Denny Rowe To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic? Do you still have them? Pic? Denny Rowe rowedenny(at)windstream.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1/31/2007 3:16 PM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Date: 2/1/2007 2:28 PM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 2/2/2007 11:39 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Landing Gear
From: "Marshall" <fireflyaircraft(at)att.net>
Date: Feb 03, 2007
Hi Kolbers, Even thought I am working on a Firefly and trying to keep it legal, I think that the Grove aircraft landing gear system is worth a look for most aircraft applications. http://www.groveaircraft.com/index.html http://www.groveaircraft.com/landing_gear.html Also take a look at the http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-design-gear.html spring landing drop test curiosity of http://www.zenithair.com/ (a great aircraft and design). Thank you, Marshall Watkins Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92611#92611 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
Date: Feb 03, 2007
From: n27sb(at)aol.com
A really nice wheel and brake system for the Firefly and other Kolbs is available from www.flyfbi.com It is an overlooked option that is better than anything I have seen. I don't need wheels or brakes so I have not tried it. Steve FF 007 on floats -----Original Message----- From: fireflyaircraft(at)att.net Sent: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Landing Gear Hi Kolbers, Even thought I am working on a Firefly and trying to keep it legal, I think that the Grove aircraft landing gear system is worth a look for most aircraft applications. http://www.groveaircraft.com/index.html http://www.groveaircraft.com/landing_gear.html Also take a look at the http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-design-gear.html spring landing drop test curiosity of http://www.zenithair.com/ (a great aircraft and design). Thank you, Marshall Watkins Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92611#92611 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: heat
Date: Feb 03, 2007
Kolbers I saw some recent posts about taking lumbar supports from car seats & installing them in a Kolb -- great idea for long flights. But I got to thinking -- many car seats now are HEATED by a 12-volt system. Now that's either luxurious, pampering, overkill, sensible, whatever -- but it would be easy to do & would feel SO good on a cold morning or night flight. There are tons of Subaru's around, & most any junkyard should have one or two. Others, like Volvo';s, may be harder to find. I can't see any dangers here. Worth a try? Russ Kinne ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 03, 2007
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
>Even thought I am working on a Firefly and trying to keep it legal, I think that the Grove aircraft landing gear system is worth a look for most aircraft applications. http://www.groveaircraft.com/index.html > http://www.groveaircraft.com/landing_gear.html > Marshall, If you are trying to save some weight, stay with the Kolb aluminum legs. I weighed one and it came out to 2 pounds 6.6 ounces. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
Date: Feb 03, 2007
the Grove aircraft landing gear system is worth a look for most aircraft applications. http://www.groveaircraft.com/index.html | Thank you, Marshall Watkins Hi Marshall: Looked at a lot of different gear legs for Kolbs since 1984. Spring aluminum gear was one of them. However, there are cheaper and better ways to go. Aluminum can only be hardened to 7075 (correct me if I am wrong), ends up weighing a ton, and very expensive. I use tubular 4130 heat treated to 48 RC. Have been flying with it for 20 years and many thousand hours. Has been thoroughly proven through many thousands of landings. A lot of them not too purty. Some folks say aluminum is better because it will not tear up the fuselage during a hard landing. I have been able to tear up fuselage with aluminum as well as steel. If you hit hard enough you will probably bend the cage with either. Tubular steel is much lighter than the Grove gear. 25 to 35 lbs is heavy. I think, IIRC, when we built the steel gear for my mkIII, it was the same weight as the solid rod aluminum legs. For what it is worth, john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 03, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: heat
At 03:27 PM 2/3/2007, russ kinne wrote: >...many car seats now are HEATED by a 12-volt system....it would be easy >to do & would feel SO good on a cold morning or >night flight.... How 'bout heated clothing (popular with the motorcycle crowd): http://www.gerbing.com/ Or, for the do it yourselfer: http://home.mebtel.net/~rbutterfield/Heat.html and http://www.shadowriders.org/faq/electricvests.html -Dana -- -- Wernher von Braun settled for a V-2 instead of a V-8. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: heat
Date: Feb 03, 2007
| How 'bout heated clothing (popular with the motorcycle crowd): | | -Dana | Dana: I have been using a Chilli Vest, 12VDC, digital electronic thermostat, water proof, since 2000. Made 2.5 flight to the Arctic with it. Works great on the 912ULS electrical system. Keeps me nice and warm without all the bulky clothing I wore on previous Arctic trips. Available at Sargeants Cycle Parts: http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 03, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
At 03:34 PM 2/3/2007, John Hauck wrote: > >...Aluminum can only be hardened to 7075 (correct me if I am >wrong), ends up weighing a ton, and very expensive... 7075 isn't a hardness level, it's an alloy. The hardness spec is a dash number, e.g. 7075-T6. I don't have the numbers handy but 7075 (at any heat treat level) is quite strong, nearly as strong as unhardened 4130, but it's susceptible to stress corrosion cracking (cracks start around holes in stressed areas, or from scratches or nicks). Aluminum has a better strength to weight ratio than steel, but it's more difficult to weld and repair (some alloys can't be welded at all). >Some folks say aluminum is better because it will not tear up the >fuselage during a hard landing. I have been able to tear up fuselage >with aluminum as well as steel. If you hit hard enough you will >probably bend the cage with either. Exactly. The ideal gear, I guess, is just slightly weaker than the fuselage attachments. One advantage (which could also be a disadvantage depending on the situation) aluminum does have is that the modulus of elasticity is 1/3 that of steel... which means that all other things being equal it'll flex farther than steel of comparable strength before breaking (or staying bent). -Dana -- -- Wernher von Braun settled for a V-2 instead of a V-8. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
Date: Feb 03, 2007
Wouldn't "1/3 that of steel" mean exactly opposite of what you said? The modulus of elasticity of steel is greater than aluminum? , On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > One advantage (which could also be a disadvantage depending on the > situation) aluminum does have is that the modulus of elasticity is > 1/3 that of steel... which means that all other things being equal > it'll flex farther than steel of comparable strength before > breaking (or staying bent). ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
Date: Feb 03, 2007
| That's what I said... aluminum's modulus is 1/3 that of steel; steel has 3X | the modulus of aluminum... | | -Dana Sorry. You guys are way over my head. I don't know one modulus from the other, but my gear works great. Been there and done that. I do know that 4130 makes a hell of a better spring than 7075-T6. We adjust the size, shape, and hardness to get the spring we want. I can do that with 4130, but not 7075. Steel springs are much more common than aluminum springs. Wonder how come? john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Malcolmbru(at)AOL.COM
Date: Feb 03, 2007
Subject: Re: float plans
I have been building the Zenair 950 LB float the plans are not in publication any longer. I got mine from a kit fix flyer in Texas it includes 550,750 950 and 1150 it is a nice float, all allouminom.I sent a set to another kolber this week. he is a machinist and may start building a set of retracts systems from the plans. if anyone want's to take a set of plans and clean them up that would be great. they need a lot of work to bring them up to a modern standerd most mesurments are in metric malcolm michigan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Feb 03, 2007
Steve et al, I have looked at the FBI Black Max brakes online, but haven't talked to anyone who has used them or even seen them first hand. Have you got a chance to look at them in person? They sound great and the price is right. I down-loaded their installation manual and like the well thought out instructions and photos. Has anyone on the list seen a set of these? AC Spruce is listing them on their web site. Brakeless in Oregon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92754#92754 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 04, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
At 10:01 PM 2/3/2007, R. Hankins wrote: > >Steve et al, >I have looked at the FBI Black Max brakes online, but haven't talked to >anyone who has used them or even seen them first hand. Have you got a >chance to look at them in person? I have them on my Ultrastar. I haven't flown or even taxied the plane yet so I can't comment on their performance, but from an engineering standpoint they look very good, and the previous owner was happy with them. Mine are set up as heel brakes (just the way I like it) with two master cylinders. Company service is good though; the 6" wide wheels that came with the plane (included with the brake package) were too wide for the plane to fit in the trailer, so I got a pair of 4" wide wheels from FBI and the plane now fits. I do get the impression (could be wrong) that it's a one man shop; all my emails to him were answered in the evening. -Dana -- -- Wernher von Braun settled for a V-2 instead of a V-8. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 04, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
All, I have them on my trike, and for that application they work just fine. They are certainly better than the nose wheel brake that was standard equipment. For airplanes, they lack the ability to brake differentially unless you add a second master cylinder as Dana has done. By the time you add that and the necessary components to enable it, I would bet they are a wash with the other sets ou there, pricewise. Have you checked out the system offered by TNK? Very high quality, the usual great service and you get what no other vendor can offer, i.e the experience of Travis, Donnie and the crew at TNK. If you're not absolutely wedded to juice brakes, the Azusa mechanical units are impossible to beat for cost. I have the 4 1/2" units on my Mk 3 and they are quite adequate. Rick On 2/4/07, Dana Hague wrote: > > > At 10:01 PM 2/3/2007, R. Hankins wrote: > > > >Steve et al, > >I have looked at the FBI Black Max brakes online, but haven't talked to > >anyone who has used them or even seen them first hand. Have you got a > >chance to look at them in person? > > I have them on my Ultrastar. I haven't flown or even taxied the plane yet > so I can't comment on their performance, but from an engineering > standpoint > they look very good, and the previous owner was happy with them. Mine are > set up as heel brakes (just the way I like it) with two master cylinders. > > Company service is good though; the 6" wide wheels that came with the > plane > (included with the brake package) were too wide for the plane to fit in > the > trailer, so I got a pair of 4" wide wheels from FBI and the plane now > fits. I do get the impression (could be wrong) that it's a one man shop; > all my emails to him were answered in the evening. > > -Dana > > -- > -- > Wernher von Braun settled for a V-2 instead of a V-8. > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N27SB(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 04, 2007
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
In a message dated 2/3/2007 10:02:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rphanks(at)grantspass.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "R. Hankins" Steve et al, I have looked at the FBI Black Max brakes online, but haven't talked to anyone who has used them or even seen them first hand. Have you got a chance to look at them in person? They sound great and the price is right. I down-loaded their installation manual and like the well thought out instructions and photos. Has anyone on the list seen a set of these? AC Spruce is listing them on their web site. Brakeless in Oregon I spotted the brakes at SNF last year and dragged Bryan,Travis and Bruce down to look at them. Everyone was impressed with the design, weight and cost. Travis was going to handle them and I believe that he ordered some. I will check with Travis on Monday. In my opinion, the biggest plus was the weight or lack of, if you look at the whole package. This really helps make weight in the Firefly. It also gives you more tire. Kinda a cross between the stock baby tires and the overkill of a wheelbarrow tire. Also, you are right about the size of the company. It is two guys that design medical equipment if I recall. They use Cad and have access to the best machining equipment. BEST TIRE BRAKE COMBO I have seen. Hmm mm, maybe I can strap some on the bottom of my floats!! Steve Wheeless in the Water ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Monument Valley 2007
Date: Feb 04, 2007
Morning Gang: Looks like the Red Bull Air Race Schedule is finally posted on their web page. The North American race will be held 12 May 2007. However, I was not able to find out where in North America it was being held. So..........doesn't look like it will affect out flyin the following weekend at MV. Take care, john h mkIII that needs a new engine and some flight time. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 04, 2007
Subject: Brake choices
From: Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)juno.com>
Guys do not forget that Shimano Mountain bike brakes, or some other brand , 6 inch stainless disks, are very servicable for the Firefly and likely the Firestar... Very light also.. Herb In a message dated 2/3/2007 10:02:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rphanks(at)grantspass.com writes: Steve et al, I have looked at the FBI Black Max brakes online, but haven't talked to anyone who has used them or even seen them first hand. Have you got a chance to look at them in person? They sound great and the price is right. I down-loaded their installation manual and like the well thought out instructions and photos. Has anyone on the list seen a set of these? AC Spruce is listing them on their web site. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 04, 2007
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
In a message dated 2/4/2007 7:07:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, d-m-hague(at)comcast.net writes: I have them on my Ultrastar. I haven't flown or even taxied the plane yet so I can't comment on their performance, but from an engineering standpoint they look very good, and the previous owner was happy with them. Mine are set up as heel brakes (just the way I like it) with two master cylinders. Company service is good though; the 6" wide wheels that came with the plane (included with the brake package) were too wide for the plane to fit in the trailer, so I got a pair of 4" wide wheels from FBI and the plane now fits. I do get the impression (could be wrong) that it's a one man shop; all my emails to him were answered in the evening. -Dana Dana, Any idea what the brake set up along with the master cylinder and calipers weighs? Ed (in Houston FF #62) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 04, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
At 04:31 PM 2/4/2007, DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote: > Any idea what the brake set up along with the master cylinder and > calipers weighs? Never having seen the package off the plane, I couldn't say... but it sure doesn't look like it's more than a few pounds: http://flyfbi.com/html/hydraulic_brakes.html -Dana -- -- Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: painting
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Feb 04, 2007
Builders, Did you guys EVER think you would finish shooting ploy spray? Sheesh two days and I still have the wings. [Shocked] -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92878#92878 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: heat
Date: Feb 04, 2007
Hey John, It is colder in good old Pennsylvania Kolb country tonight than it is in Barrow Alaska ! ! ! On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:08 PM, John Hauck wrote: > I have been using a Chilli Vest, 12VDC, digital electronic thermostat, > water proof, since 2000. Made 2.5 flight to the Arctic with it. > Works great on the 912ULS electrical system. Keeps me nice and warm > without all the bulky clothing I wore on previous Arctic trips. > > Available at Sargeants Cycle Parts: > > http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 04, 2007
Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
Fire- Flyers, Has anyone done any research or testing or even guessing as to what RPMs give the most economy and most range with a 66" Ivo and a 447 on the Firefly? Best I can tell my range is no more than about 50 to 54 miles on 4.5 gallons. Any one do any better than that on a 5 gallon tank? I could find nothing on the subject in the Archives . Ed ( in Houston where it is starting to Dry out a little) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 05, 2007
Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
From: Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)juno.com>
Ed I fly with a two blade 62 inch ivo with minimum pitch..Have a points 447--came brand new with the second hand kit.. Never could get the engine to swing a three blade 66 inch ivo... no matter the pitch.. Std jets... Flies very satisfactorily on the 62 incher... here are some log book entries... have hobbs..meter.. 62 miles 1.5 hours... 4 take offs and landings..:-) 3.05 gals and 62 miles... 7-3-2006 another.... Home to Glasgow to Hodgenville to Glasgow to home... 132.4 miles 6.25 gals. Flew with another Firefly and likely spent most of our time at 5200 rpms? I like to run abt 5800 rpms.. 8-19-2006.. nuther.... home to Glasgow to Rough River state park(ky state EAA flyin) to Glasgow to home... 3.20 hours---8.9 gals 173 miles.. spent abt 10 miles dodging storm.... 9-9-2006... lastly home to No Bob to Wildwood to Welcome to home... 2 hours... 5.5 gals 106 miles... 10-7-2006.. Looks as if I burn in the nieghborhood of 2.2 to 2.75 gals an hour.. average abt 20 mpg.. Herb Fire- Flyers, Has anyone done any research or testing or even guessing as to what RPMs give the most economy and most range with a 66" Ivo and a 447 on the Firefly? Best I can tell my range is no more than about 50 to 54 miles on 4.5 gallons. Any one do any better than that on a 5 gallon tank? I could find nothing on the subject in the Archives . Ed ( in Houston where it is starting to Dry out a little) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ignition noise leaks
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Feb 05, 2007
Re: Ignition noise leaks This one caught me once. When I changed engines I ran into radio problems as well as a tach problem. Since I had a new engine I put a new tach on it. Well, the tach didn't work too well so I sent it off to Westach and they tested it. It was fine. They asked me if my engine was grounded to the airframe and it turns out it wasn't. Once I grounded my engine and all the shields from the wires to a central point on the airframe, my tach worked great and the radio noise was much reduced. By the way Westach charged me $0.00 and paid the shipping to return my tach to me. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92993#92993 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Landing Gear
Date: Feb 05, 2007
From: n27sb(at)aol.com
Talked to Travis this morning. He has two set of the Black Max in stock and has sold several sets. All good comments have come back Steve Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: painting
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Feb 05, 2007
Mike, I had to do the same thing to keep up with how many coats i had done and what was the last pass. with 9 control surfaces it gets cofusing. However Im out of the woods now and only have the wings left! :D -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93040#93040 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: painting
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Feb 05, 2007
John C, Do other systems you have looked at have a way around the silver? -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93042#93042 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us>
Subject: Lexan
Date: Feb 05, 2007
Anyone know what thickness lexan is on the Slingshot windshield? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 05, 2007
Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
So Mike, what are the numbers? > > I have a Fuel Flow meter / Fuel gauge , I switch over to see the fuel > flow alot....I'm suprised how high it can get....When I'm cruising I check > to see if I'm pushing it too much....Backing off the throttle "just a > little" can really save the fuel ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com>
Subject: such a nice day for flying
Date: Feb 05, 2007
Looks really neat up there! hope I can fly there one day. I can't go anywhere where I don't see powerlines and fences everywhere and that's once I get out of the city(45 minutes of flight time)... Tommorow is going to be 69 degrees (Texas). I called the boss and said I'm not going to be able to make it. First flight of 2007. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cooley" <jcooley380(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: painting
Date: Feb 06, 2007
Paul, Below is a description of the process and the gentleman's thoughts on the covering systems. I'm not trying to steer anyone one way or the other, but if I have to spend a few more bucks to save a lot of time in the covering process, I think that is good trade off. The Slingshot mentioned was covered with the poly fiber process and was a Oshkosh grand champion. I'm sure he won many other awards with it too so he can make a good comparison between the two systems. I also am attaching a couple of pictures that he sent me of the Decathlon completed with the Airtech system. Another thing that is a problem here in the south is the humidity. Supposedly the Airtech system is fairly immune to blushing etc. so you don't have to add special agents to the paint to reduce blushing. Take care, John Cooley Quote: [I've covered numerous planes since the SlingShot and have tried different processes. The one I've chosen for now is the Airtech System. You cover the structure same as stits but you don't brush on the poly brush. You simply spray on two coats of their primer, let set overnight and sand, spray one more coat, let set for a couple of days then spray your color. Much less steps than stits with as good or better results. Only downside is it's a little more expensive but you trade time for money. My Decathlon came out beautiful, I flew it to Evergreen as soon as I finished it to get it judged but there was no class to enter it in. Contemporary was the newest class and it only went to 1967 year model. Mine was a 1975 model. All the judges were overwhelmed so they gave me an award anyway, It was called a "Chick Torbett Workmanship Award" which was supposed to come out of the classes judged. I think they ruffled a few feathers but all agreed to give me the award. I was pretty proud after all that work. I seen John H. down there but Mrs P'fer was down in the tail. He seem pretty impressed with my bird. Go to Airtechcoatings.com and read about it. We've done several Stearman's with it and had good results.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: painting John C, Do other systems you have looked at have a way around the silver? -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93042#93042 -- 9:58 PM -- 4:48 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N27SB(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 06, 2007
Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 that you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may be increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings? steve ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
Date: Feb 06, 2007
| Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 that | you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may be | increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings? | | steve | Morning Steve: I have, but the majority of the Kolb List wants to make JD tractors out of them. Something about wearing them out sooner if you turn more rpm, even though the engine was designed to cruise at 5,800 rpm and above. It is a continuous duty engine that does much better at or above 5,800 rpm. Without going back to look it up, the engine is capable of 6,500 rpm max continuous. Lots of folks feel the same way about the 912 series engines that are 5,500 rpm max continuous. In my case, if I don't turn at least 5,000 rpm, I can not keep the engine oil and CHT up to minimum temps. Wonder if we could put my 1936 JD D engine on a Firestar. It gets its max hp at 900 rpm. john h mkIII 25F and sunny ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com>
Date: Feb 06, 2007
Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
John and others, I am flying my Firestar with a 5100 RPM cruise every time I fly. I have over 450 hours on the 447. I'm a believer that less RPM's equates to less wear. So far, so good. Ralph Burlingame Original Firestar/447 20 years flying it -- "John Hauck" wrote: | Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 that | you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may be | increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings? | | steve | Morning Steve: I have, but the majority of the Kolb List wants to make JD tractors out of them. Something about wearing them out sooner if you turn more rpm, even though the engine was designed to cruise at 5,800 rpm and above. It is a continuous duty engine that does much better at or above 5,800 rpm. Without going back to look it up, the engine is capable of 6,500 rpm max continuous. Lots of folks feel the same way about the 912 series engines that are 5,500 rpm max continuous. In my case, if I don't turn at least 5,000 rpm, I can not keep the engine oil and CHT up to minimum temps. Wonder if we could put my 1936 JD D engine on a Firestar. It gets its max hp at 900 rpm. john h mkIII 25F and sunny ________________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.htm?csp=24 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: such a fine day for flying
Date: Feb 06, 2007
No, I didn't even see an Indian bullet, but then I came in from the south and departed the same way. There have been a lot of mishaps at that strip over the years. One fellow that I knew from Klamath Falls managed to ground loop his Maule there, but duct taped it back together and flew it home. I somehow don't see a Tomahawk as a back country flyer, especially with two people. I did a Google search for Owyhee corners and came up with a spot 10 to 15 miles away from the reservoir. There is an airstrip at that location, but the strip in the middle of the lake is named "Owyhee State". Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lehman To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: such a fine day for flying Larry... Did you see any floating Tomahawks?... ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 2/6/2007 Record 11 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 9670T Make/Model: PA38 Description: PA-38 Tomahawk Date: 02/04/2007 Time: 2140 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Substantial LOCATION City: OWYHEE CORNERS State: OR Country: US DESCRIPTION AIRCRAFT FAILED TO CLIMB ON TAKEOFF CRASHED INTO OWYHEE RESERVOIR, OWYHEE CORNERS, OR ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 06, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: E-LSA deadline
One more registration to go. Wouldn't you know it would be the Mk 3's that will be last, the only one I'm truly hot for. In the latest to arrive, FAA included a note to remind me of the 1-31-2008 deadline. If you have your packet into your local FSDO, MIDO or your E-LSA DAR by Nov. 30, FAA WILL GUARANTEE you will get your airworthiness certificate before the deadline. Obviously you have to do your part of the program correctly so there are no hang ups. After 11-30 there's no guarantee. Tick tick tick. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fighting user fees
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)comcast.net>
Date: Feb 07, 2007
It is hard to fight something that the specificies of have not been released yet. This excerpt is from the EAA website: The budget proposal includes the framework to establish a user-fee program for various aviation services; a nearly four-fold increase in the fuel tax paid by general aviation operators (avgas and autogas); and a series of fees for access to the nation's busiest airports. "The budget proposal calls for increased and or the establishment of fees for aircraft certification and registration, as well as appointment and designation of designees such as those used to certificate amateur-built aircraft and light sport aircraft, and airman medical certificates." Other than the "nearly four-fold increase in the fuel tax paid by general aviation operators (avgas and autogas)", I don't see any real big problem with paying my fair share. Fees for the paperwork are a common fact of life and impacts everyone evenly. I am just saying, know what you are objecting to before you you sign up. The NBAA is not the group that helps to protect us from ourselves. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93433#93433 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fighting user fees
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Feb 07, 2007
User Fees = A way for the government to collect more taxes, and more regulation for general aviation. Lets me think about this one, those of us that fly paying much higher taxes than everyone else, more regulation, and an even bigger government breauacracy... Whats not to like about it [Wink] Michael A. Bigelow -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93456#93456 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
Date: Feb 07, 2007
The Rotax 532 had a noticable "on the pipe/off the pipe" range that fell in the lower 5000 rpm range, and years ago I used to fly a Quicksilver MX with a 377 that had a very noticable range where it was either on or off the pipe. It is easy to tell engines affected in this manner because they will not hold a constant rpm, but will gain or lose rpm within certain rpm ranges. The 90 series 582 I am using does not do that that I have ever noticed, and I understand that the blue head is even better about it. So being on/falling off the pipe is not a factor. Last annual, rings were clean & free, top of piston was very lightly carboned, underside of head had a couple carbon patches about as big as a fingernail, a couple small streaks of carbon buildup in the exhaust manifold. Left it all alone, put it back together. Using Phillups Injex, normally cruise around 5100-5300 solo, 5500-5600 with a passenger. Quiet and comfortable at around 63 mph. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: N27SB(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Most economical cruse speed Has anyone considered that as you reduce the rpms on a 447 below 5800 that you are dropping off the tuned rpm for the exhaust pipe and you may be increasing wear and adding carbon to the rings? steve ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duffney" <tnt1(at)rangebroadband.com>
Subject: Re:float plans
Date: Feb 07, 2007
Malcolm, I would be interested in a set. Let me know what you want for a copy$. My address is 1716 E. 41 st. Hibbing MN. 55746. Thanks, Tim Duffney ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:float plans any body want a set of float plans??? they are not that expensive to build andthey are less than $500 each you can pay as you go . malcolm. michigan. old kolb flyer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 05/19/2006 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 07, 2007
Subject: Re: float plans
PLane crazy you are OK I am glad to here Jaz is a women. I worked on the floats today and sent a set to elery Weld also on the list I realy would like somewon to take thes plans and run with them.noone on the kitfox or seaplane forem wants toand I realy dont know whear to start malcolm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 07, 2007
Subject: Re:float plans
About $19 would cover printing a binder and shiping I will try to send them out thursday. malcolm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Knapp" <gary56(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re:float plans
Date: Feb 07, 2007
I'd be interested also! 92 Firestar 447 Gary Knapp 2627 Weatherhead Hollow Rd. Guilford Vt. 05301 Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Duffney To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Kolb-List: Re:float plans Malcolm, I would be interested in a set. Let me know what you want for a copy$. My address is 1716 E. 41 st. Hibbing MN. 55746. Thanks, Tim Duffney ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:float plans any body want a set of float plans??? they are not that expensive to build andthey are less than $500 each you can pay as you go . malcolm. michigan. old kolb flyer href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 05/19/2006 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller
From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 07, 2007
I've got a wooden propeller (probably the original prop). It looks like I'm going to have to replace this. Any recommendations as to a good replacement? Is Spruce the place to buy one? Thx. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93522#93522 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Feb 07, 2007
Mr. Murphy: What engine/gearbox are you running? I put my firestar KXP thru its paces this last weekend using my new WAAS enabled GPS. Top speed 86mph@4000msl. Climbed 1110ft in one minute at 50mph. My 503 has a 66" two-blade IVO on a 2.58 "B" box. It is a smooth, efficient prop. I have never mounted anything else on my plane so 386hrs is the limit of my IVO experience. Surprisingly, Spruce has not given me good customer service of late. They sent me screw top B8ES plugs and haven't replied to my e-mails. The order before that they substituted a completely different fuel filter than was shown online and in the catalog. Twice bitten, thrice shy..... -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93539#93539 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Feb 07, 2007
Mr. Murphy: What engine/gearbox are you running? I put my firestar KXP thru its paces this last weekend using my new WAAS enabled GPS. Top speed 86mph@4000msl. Climbed 1110ft in one minute at 50mph. My 503 has a 66" two-blade IVO on a 2.58 "B" box. It is a smooth, efficient prop. I have never mounted anything else on my plane so 386hrs is the limit of my IVO experience. Surprisingly, Spruce has not given me good customer service of late. They sent me screw top B8ES plugs and haven't replied to my e-mails. The order before that they substituted a completely different fuel filter than was shown online and in the catalog. Twice bitten, thrice shy..... -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93543#93543 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Best Prop around
Date: Feb 07, 2007
John, I think Ivo is probably one of the finest props around. Although there are a couple of other quality brands, the Ivo's quick adjust (by turning one simple screw), the ability to convert easily to "electric in-flight adjustable", and their excellent factory support.....certainly puts them at the upper range of a good-buy. I recently sent my 3 blades in for service to Ivo Prop. I accidently broke a blade with my Backhoe bucket!!!!!!! Moron!!! Oops! Anyway, they serviced the two good ones, (new leading edge tape), and made me a new third blade, for $200 . I felt like that was a pretty good deal, and now I keep the tractor on the other side of my house!! Mike in Utah _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo buy and sell with people you know ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Best Prop around
Date: Feb 07, 2007
john, was it the tractor , or the pilot??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Best Prop around > > > John, > I think Ivo is probably one of the finest props around. Although there > are a couple of other quality brands, the Ivo's quick adjust (by turning > one simple screw), the ability to convert easily to "electric in-flight > adjustable", and their excellent factory support.....certainly puts them > at the upper range of > a good-buy. > I recently sent my 3 blades in for service to Ivo Prop. I accidently > broke a blade with my Backhoe > bucket!!!!!!! Moron!!! Oops! Anyway, they serviced the two good > ones, (new leading edge tape), and made me a new third blade, for $200 > . I felt like that was a pretty good deal, and now I keep the > tractor on the other side of my house!! Mike in Utah > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with people > you know > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 07, 2007
Subject: Re: float plans
ellery how maney projects do you have gooing now mal ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Most economical cruse speed
Date: Feb 08, 2007
Morning Gang: I have discovered there are two modes of flight to determine fuel consumption. 1-Flying around the patch. 2-Cross country. Flying around the patch burns about 50 to 75% of the fuel that you burn cross country. If you want a true fuel burn, it is best, in my opinion, to fly some cross country. Most important info is time of flight and maintaining "your" cruise rpm, except for take off and landings. Probably should fly, at least, one hour legs to verify fuel burn. Fuel tank should be topped off prior to the flight and topped off again when you complete your flight. You will be surprised how much fuel you burn, if you have never done a fuel check before. Remember, flying and playing around the patch will give you much better fuel consumption than flying a true cross country flight. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar - recommended propeller
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Feb 08, 2007
I really like the Powerfin prop I have. Very light and doesn't flex much. I would buy another one in a second. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93634#93634 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
Subject: Firestar for Sale
Date: Feb 08, 2007
Hello all, I was at our local UFO (ultralight flyers) meeting the other night and the gentleman across the table from me mentioned that he is selling his dads Firestar. He was not very fourth coming in information so all I know is that it is a Firestar with a 447 located near Portland Oregon. If you want and additional information please e-mail him at runyanp(at)comcast.net. Jason MKIIIC BMW R100 Portland Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 08, 2007
Subject: Re: float plans
Elery I sent the float plans out 8 days ago any sign of them yet? could you send me some money mal ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Last registration in
At last the registration for N455ZD has come back. Okay, at last is a bit of a stretch since it took 22 days from mailbox to mailbox. The FAA seems to be making good on their pladge of three week service. Now to get inspections scheduled. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Prop for Sale
Date: Feb 08, 2007
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Kolb Friends - I have a Powerfin Prop for sale - thought I'd offer it to folks on this List first. Here are the details: 3-blade, "F" model Powerfin 65-inch diameter Left-hand rotation 25 hours total time on prop Like new $275. Contact me if interested ... Dennis Kirby Cedar Crest, NM (505) 846-7127 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firefly Boom
From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Date: Feb 08, 2007
I need a new boom for my Firefly. I'd like to buy one from TNK but at $285, shipping alone from KY to Idaho/Washington is more than the tube. If I can't find elsewhere or locally, I'll have to pay the shipping. Kolb spec is 12' long 5" OD .049"Wall 6061-T6 Aluminum. If anybody has an extra one (new or used) I would appreciate it, preferably in the Pacific NW. I believe a Firestar uses the same boom, only it's 13' long. If anybody needs large parts from TNK in the NW maybe we could partner on shipping. -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93780#93780 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Prop for Sale
Date: Feb 08, 2007
| I have a Powerfin Prop for sale - | | Dennis Kirby Dennis: How come you're selling that old Power Fin Prop? john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley in winter
Date: Feb 08, 2007
| Am planning to go to MV in April. Which airport do you guys stay at there, | and what is fuel availability? Need either 100LL or, preferably, MOGAS. | What lodging is available, and could you give me a phone number for it? | | Thanks much. | | Jimmy Hi Jimmy: We plan on being at MV a 17-20 May. That's Thursday through Sunday. Most of us get there on Thur and depart on Sun. MOGAS is available at the station across the street from Gouldings Air Strip. The air strip is Gouldings, 4000 feet gravel and some pavement on the south end. Land to the south and take off to the north. Seems to be an 800 feet rock wall at the south end. Here is the url for Gouldings. http://www.gouldings.com/english/index.htm If you have any other questions, please ask. It may help others that are going to attend the flyin. Shucks, I can't wait, but better get my mkIII going first. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Monument Valley Flyby
Date: Feb 08, 2007
Hi Folks: I love this video clip. It is the mkIII making a pass at Monument Valley, turning 5,400 rpm WOT and wearing that 912ULS with a smile on my face: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G9n2_Rtn6g Can not remember if this is Will's or Bob's clip. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Firefly Boom
Date: Feb 08, 2007
I think I saw some Firestar spars for sale on Barnstormers, they will be the same tubing you need if they are long enough. Denny Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim" <jim@tru-cast.com> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly Boom > > I need a new boom for my Firefly. I'd like to buy one from TNK but at > $285, shipping alone from KY to Idaho/Washington is more than the tube. > If I can't find elsewhere or locally, I'll have to pay the shipping. > > Kolb spec is 12' long 5" OD .049"Wall 6061-T6 Aluminum. If anybody has > an extra one (new or used) I would appreciate it, preferably in the > Pacific NW. I believe a Firestar uses the same boom, only it's 13' long. > > If anybody needs large parts from TNK in the NW maybe we could partner on > shipping. > > -------- > Jim > N. Idaho > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93780#93780 > > > -- > 3:33 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 08, 2007
Subject: Re: float plans"John Hauck"
In a message dated 2/8/2007 6:13:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes: "John Hauck" I disagree I think most people on the list would like to think that they should not be taken advantage of by other members. There are several members sending me messages about floats back copy and Ideal with them the best I can. I am really happy about how many want float plans and I really want to help develop a set that any one would be proud of. mal (989)233-5377 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: float plans"John Hauck"
Date: Feb 08, 2007
| "John Hauck" | I disagree I think most people on the list would like to think that they | should not be taken advantage of by other members. | | | Malcomb: I think that was the point I was trying to get across. Any particular reason you can't collect individual bills back copy, since they do not apply to the rest of us? john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 08, 2007
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route
Hi Kolbers, Larry & Karen Cottrell and I are planning a mammoth (for us) flight from Oregon to San Antonio, Texas, returning via MV for the Kolb disorganized fly-in. I've had lots of good advice re: the route, but there's one portion that I'd like suggestions about. Basically, I'm considering flying south from Larry's (Rome, OR) to hit I-10 and then follow I-10 east to San Antonio. I've got lots of advice about airstrips along I-10, getting around Tuscon and El Paso, etc. I also have good advice from Kolbers who have flown from the El Paso area to MV, and plan to follow their suggestions. I've flown back to Oregon twice from MV, so have that "down pat." My question is about getting from Winnemucca to I-10 - maybe around Blythe, CA. Here's what I'm thinking so far: I'll be flying from my home base in northwestern Oregon to Larry's place near Rome, OR. We'll fly south following Hwy. 95 to Winnemucca, NV then east to Battle Mountain and then south via Hwy. 305 to Austin (A36), NV and pick up Hwy 376 south to Toponah (TPH), NV. We'd pick up Hwy. 95 at Goldfield, NV and go south to Beatty (BTY) NV, Any suggestions on getting from Beatty down to Blythe? Anyone flown this route? Or - if you think there's a better way instead of heading south from Winnemucca - speak up! As you can tell, I'm trying to follow roads as much as possible, both for safety and since Karen will be following us in their truck. (Of course, depending on wind we may be following her!) I'm not sure if I'll have my endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspace by then - so am planning to fly around that. We'd prefer NOT to go to Texas via MV - we want to make a loop and come back via MV. So...I'd appreciate any suggestions about this portion of our route. Thanks in advance, Arty Trost Sandy, Oregon Maxair Drifter www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route
Date: Feb 09, 2007
Arty, I just flew my Cessna 172 in December from near Sacramento to St. George, Utah, which is fairly close to Monument Valley. I realize you are planning a little different route than I flew, but I believe I have a few pointers that you will want to know. ( e.g. MOA's, Restricted airspace, flight following, etc) Mike in Utah 435-817-1816 _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo buy and sell with people you know ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route
Date: Feb 09, 2007
Arty: If I was flying a two stroke, I would stay on 95 all the way to Blythe. You can stay clear of Las Vegas control zone. Generally, that is the way I would fly my mkIII if I was going the same destination. I have flown I-10. Should be a good flight to El Paso and San Antonio. See ya'll in May. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: fitting needed
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Feb 09, 2007
Kolbers, Does anyone have 1 extra 90 degree fitting with the adapter for the oil cooler for a 912rotax? I need just 1 of each and hate to buy the kit at 70 bucks from rotax. I will be happy to buy them and pay the shipping. Thanks -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93999#93999 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2007
Subject: Re: Firefly Boom
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Thanks! I'll check them out. Jim > > I think I saw some Firestar spars for sale on Barnstormers, they will be > the > same tubing you need if they are long enough. > Denny Rowe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Firefly Boom
Date: Feb 09, 2007
Jim D: Call Travis at Kolb. See if he has a 2d tube that won't qualify for a kit. They usually have some with a few tiny dings in them that do not hurt their strength and serviceability. I have one on my mkIII that has been on there about 14 years and over 2,000 hours. Usually, you can turn the ding to the bottom and no one will ever know the difference between it and a perfect one. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspace
Date: Feb 09, 2007
As you can tell, I'm trying to follow roads as much as possible, both for safety and since Karen will be following us in their truck. (Of course, depending on wind we may be following her!) I'm not sure if I'll have my endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspace by then - so am planning to fly around that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell us about the endorsement, who do you get it from, how do you go about getting it, who needs it, and what is needed in the plane? Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Hard card received
Date: Feb 09, 2007
Good news came in the mail today. I received my 'hard card,' the registration for my Kolb. I have a few hours worth of work to do, mainly placarding, to get ready for the airworthiness inspection. Fortunately, I've just found a new hangar at my field that is much smaller than the 'barn size' one I'm in now. With only me and one other airplane, it should be -much- easier to heat it to a temperature where I can actually work out there. With an inspector lined up for April, everything should be legal as Church on Sunday by the opening of the flying season. -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / N722KM Rochester MI ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fitting needed
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: Feb 09, 2007
Never mind! Travis tha man hooked me up! This brings up an interesting subject tho.... John H John W. and Mark G. all have the same set up. They all needed 3 90's to make the oil cooler work on the back of the fuselage. Rotax sends the engenis out with the straight fittings for the oil pump and cooler. The 90's are an option you have to buy at 70 bucks per 2. My question is who has bought 2 pairs and what did you do with the other 90? May could get together on this and pair up the extra fittings and make some gas money if you guys can find them...or at least help out a fellow builder. On another note travis sent me a few photos of the routing of a plane bryan built that used the straight fittings. And the Rotax hose. I think he said it was MikeB not sure I would like to see more photos of your oil hose routing and type hose used. Im going with areoquip FC-332 -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie painting and reassembly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94055#94055 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/912soilcoolersideview_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/912soilcoolermounting_192.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 09, 2007
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspac
Re: pilot endorsements and aircraft equipment requirements for flying into Class B, C, and D airspace: Part 61.325 states: "If you hold a sport pilot certificate and seek privileges to operate a light-sport aircraft in Class B, C, or D airspace, at an airport located in Class B, C, or D airspace, or to, from, or at an airport having an operational control tower, you must receive and log ground and flight training. The authorized instructor who provides this training must provide a logbook endorsement that certifies you are proficient in the following aeronautical knowledge areas and areas of operation: a) The use of radios, communications, navigation system/facilities, and radar services. b) Operations at airports with an operating control tower to include three takeoffs and landings to a full stop, with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern, at an airport with an operating control tower. c) Applicable flight rules of part 91 of this chapter for operations in Class B, C, or D airspace and traffic control clearances." AIM 3-2-3, b5(b) & (c) states that in order to enter Class B airspace, the aircraft "unless otherwise authorized by ATC...must be equiped with an operable two-way radio capable of communicating with ATC on appropriate frequencies for that area, and an operable radar beacon transponder with automatic altitude reporting equipment." AIM 3-2-4 c2 (a) & (b) requires the same for Class C airspace. AIM 3-2-5 b2 requires only an operable two-way radio, again unless otherwise authorized by ATC. Arty Trost www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."


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