Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-gs

April 27, 2007 - June 03, 2007



      
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Subject: Re: Mo- Skeeters
From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 27, 2007
Com-0n ,bring yur squashers, we be ready fer yu! bet you carry a sling shot for protection, or maybe a garlic neclace. Aint scaeeeerd of no kolb drivers... Super Skeeter (got more hours in the beast than you, I'll bet) the T27 Alpha Pilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109621#109621 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flimsy Little paper Planes
From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 27, 2007
Yeah, I don't know the details about the Highlander's airframe, the kolb is very well designed. Another nice thing about the Kolbra is the tandum seating. In my line of work this is very important. The ability to maintain eye contact with a suspect on the ground is invaluable. Just as an addition, I'll have another opportunity to destroy Will's plane this fall on a Homeland Security Mission. Sorry Will, but we must all make sacrifices. Skeeter. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109623#109623 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne T. McCullough" <blackbird754(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Sport pilot license
Date: Apr 27, 2007
Ok guys, Bear with me.............LOL..............First of all the Kolbra is coming just fine...............Just wish I had more time to work on it....LOL..........ain't retired yet............. In our area it is hard to find a current flight instructor with a good personality and information also...........We did the written exam in the spring of last year and everyone in the club who was in the class went and passed the written in Statesboro, Ga @ Pegasus flight school..........They are now looking into the LSA class..........Great people. However, we used Mark Burpee of Destination Flight of 3 rivers Michigan.......Met him at Sun-n-fun.....teaches powered parachute and fixed wing..............But he and his flight school have 2 instructors who are willing to travel......... One of my friends bought a Sport Rally LSA..........and it was just delivered.........7Hrs. non-stop..........from Michigan to 9GA1 Briar Patch Springfield, GA.................WOW................34 gallons of gas...........BUT.............$ 110,000.00 later......... Gotta have my Kolbra...............and gonna get their too...........LOL....................Mark charges $ 110.00 an hour wet, for his aircraft and will train you in a N-numbered two seater for $ 30.00 per hour...............In the fall, we will have 7 members splitting the cost..........This is the way to go.................. Building still.........But life is getting in the way.........LOL Wayne McCullough Springfield, Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy" <jhankin(at)planters.net> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport pilot license > > Wayne, > > I would be very glad to know more about that class, please let me know > more of the details when you have them. > > How is your Kobra coming? > > Jimmy Hankinson > 912-863-7384 > Firefly #035, (N6007L) > JYL (Sylvania) > Pegasus Field (Home) > 2000 Feet X 100 Feet- Grass > Rocky Ford, Georgia > > > -- > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: GPS and new technologies
Date: Apr 27, 2007
Dana, and all others, Regarding GPS, if you do anything more than your local flights, I can't imagine not having a GPS with you. I am now on my second GPS, a Garmin 296. (My first GPS was a Garmin 95XL, which made me think flight planning and navigation couldn't get any better. I was wrong. Wow, what a difference a few years make in electronics!!! First, just about everything you need to know is right in your hand. Airspeed, altitude, and a visual of exactly where you are above the ground. I found the "B Class Airspace" boundaries especially useful on my recent 800+ mile cross country. The "pointing arrow" function on the 296 is also very cool. You push a toggle to send the pointing arrow across your screen, and when it lands on whatever you want, a window pops up and displays the information; like airport identifier, and so forth. For my experience, I wouldn't leave home without it!!! Now, with all that wonderful stuff having been said about GPS's, the most important aspect of cross country navigation is YOUR piloting skills. A GPS can fail. ( It happened to me during severe turbulence for a few minutes...kind of skeerd me!) If you fly out of your normal flight routine and into new frontiers, i.e....cross country, the most important thing you need is a compass, a watch, and a chart (sectional). And tons of flight planning, alternate routes, etc. A good pilot will provide for himself ALL (within reason) the available tools he can to completely finish the intended flight. And this includes all aspects of "dead reckoning". A GPS is awesome, but don't make it your only source of navigation. If Hansel and Grettel had a GPS, I doubt VERY seriously they would have relied on the bread crumbs!!! They shoulda had a compass and a watch, too. Kolbs rule!! (To make this a legal post) Mike in SW Somewhere 18.3 miles North of the Arizona border, 14.76 miles east of the Nevada border _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GPS and new technologies
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Date: Apr 27, 2007
Mike: Airspeed on a hand held GPS???? mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote: > Dana, and all others, > > > > I am now on my second GPS, a Garmin 296. > > > > First, just about everything you need to know is right in your hand. > Airspeed, altitude, and a visual of exactly where you are above the ground. > > > > Mike in SW Somewhere 18.3 miles North > of the Arizona border, 14.76 miles east of the Nevada border > > -------- George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109639#109639 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rust in the scratches on Rudder and Wing attach point
From: "Matt Hancuh" <mhancuh(at)msn.com>
Date: Apr 27, 2007
On an old Ultrastar. My first instinct is to sand them down to metal and paint them with some rustoleum or outdoor enamel. Should I even be concerned about these shallow scratches? Is there a better thing to do? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109641#109641 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/winghattachpoint_124.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/rudderattachpoint_185.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GPS and new technologies
Date: Apr 27, 2007
Picky, picky, picky. :-) >From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> >Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Re: GPS and new technologies >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:38:39 -0700 > > >Mike: > >Airspeed on a hand held GPS???? > > >mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote: > > Dana, and all others, > > > > > > > > I am now on my second GPS, a Garmin 296. > > > > > > > > First, just about everything you need to know is right in your hand. > > Airspeed, altitude, and a visual of exactly where you are above the >ground. > > > > > > > > Mike in SW Somewhere 18.3 miles North > > of the Arizona border, 14.76 miles east of the Nevada border > > > > > > >-------- >George Alexander >http://gtalexander.home.att.net > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109639#109639 > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Handheld radio, and VOR vs GPS
Date: Apr 27, 2007
Dana, I have a Yaesu handheld with VOR reciever and it isn't very precise. It swings around a lot unless you are very close to the station. An external antenna might help, I am using the radio mounted antenna. Steven Green ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> > > I ask because now that I have a Kolb I want to buy a handheld radio, > probably the Icom A6, and I'm wondering if there's any reason spend the > extra money for the VOR functions in the A24. ________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Apr 27, 2007
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Subject: today's flight
From: "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com>
Date: Apr 27, 2007
Here are a few pics of today's flight. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 20 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109662#109662 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lake_minnetonka__528.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/coming_into_winsted_1__363.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/launch_pad__888.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firestar II - 2nd seat - anyone ever use it?
From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 27, 2007
Does anyone with a Firestar II ever use the rear jump seat? If so, do you limit the passenger to a small child? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109665#109665 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2007
From: thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Yahoo! Auto Response
I'm on an ultralight flight to Texas and will be gone until Memorial Day. Since I'll be camping along the way, I won't have access to a computer. So don't expect to get a response until the end of May - unless I can find an Internet Cafe along the route! Arty ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: GPS and new technologies
At 01:17 AM 4/28/2007, Larry Cottrell wrote: > I guess if you are going to be doing a lot of xcountries to different > airports it might be handy for a last ditch back up.... Lots of XC's in an Ultrastar? :o -Dana -- -- My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2007
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Firestar II - 2nd seat - anyone ever use it?
Comfort ?? Marginal ?? What comfort ?? My chest was the support for Larry's seat back, and he's a husky guy. I was able to move my head, and to a limited extent, my arms. When I got a cramp in my hip, I almost went nuts, 'cause I couldn't move. The back seat of the Arizona Bald Eagle's Firestar was almost as bad........but I thoroughly enjoyed both flights, and the discomfort was well worth it. I'll even do it again......:-) BTW, for the weight question, I weigh nearly 200 lbs. Lar. On 4/27/07, John H Murphy wrote: > > > Does anyone with a Firestar II ever use the rear jump seat? If so, do you > limit the passenger to a small child? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109665#109665 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: GPS and new technologies
Date: Apr 28, 2007
Morning Gang: James Tripp, FSII, and I, mkIII, flew 400 miles yesterday. We made it to Tuscaloosa, AL, and back with our trusty GPS's. Ground speed was from 45 mph flying NW to 105 flying SE. Airspeed was 65 mph. We flew over to the University of Alabama to show our airplanes to the AF ROTC students. Was a beautiful flight. I landed at Centerville, AL, to make a phone call. When I taxiied up to the hanger row, I saw a FSII. A few minutes later the owner drove up. He was surprised we were flying in "all that wind". ??? Said he never flew after 0900 because of winds. I told him to get more time in his bird and he would be more comfortable with the wind. Said he had 60 hours, but did not like getting knocked around. Don't reckon we would ever get anywhere if we did not fly in the wind. I've been flying with GPS since 1993, when I bought my first, a Garmin 55AVD. I did the 1994 Alaska flight with it. Did the 2001 flight to Barrow, AK, with a 95XL, and the 48 day flight to Alaska in 2004 was completed with the aid of my Garmin 196. The 196 now has "obstruction clearance" which is a plus for me. That is where I fly the most. I also use the 196 for land travel, and when I get a new boat will use it for marine as well. Take care, john h mkIII 912ULS 17.0 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drinks at MV
From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 28, 2007
Guys, make sure you bring your own poison. There are no alcohol sales on the reservation. Skeeter requires after flying refreshment, and will be bringing his. Also, my plane will be available for needed runs to Page. Skeeter. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109733#109733 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2007
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject: MkIIIC cg range?
What is the "manufacturers cg range" for a Kolb MkIIIC? (And I hope this isn't one of those, "...but YOU'RE the manufacturer..." kind of deals, because I didn't build it.) If there isn't one, would those of you with MkIIIC's please tell me you CG range that you use? Thanks! -- Robert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Davis" <davistcs(at)eoni.com>
Subject: Rope Starter Housing
Date: Apr 28, 2007
I was talking to a friend at the airport this morning after flying my Firestar. He flies a gyro (yes, I feel the same way!!!) with a 582 with 200 hr. I happened to look at the rope starter housing due to the recent thread on that. It just sits there in the open at eye level. The "axle" of the housing had broken completely loose in a nice clean circle around the weld. It turned and moved in and out as the rope was pulled. He said he had heard some squealing sounds that he couldn't identify lately. He's kind of a joker, but that did sober him up a bit. Keep your eyes open on those preflights. Terry Davis FS 1, 503DCDI, Powerfin 3 blade. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2007
From: by0ung(at)brigham.net
Subject: Re: MkIIIC cg range?
-----Original message----- From: "Robert Laird" rlaird(at)cavediver.com Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:15:12 -0600 Subject: Kolb-List: MkIIIC cg range? > What is the "manufacturers cg range" for a Kolb MkIIIC? (And I hope this > isn't one of those, "...but YOU'RE the manufacturer..." kind of deals, > because I didn't build it.) > > If there isn't one, would those of you with MkIIIC's please tell me you CG > range that you use? Thanks! > > -- Robert > > 16 1/2 inches to 23.1 inchesfrom the leading edge or 25% to 35% of wing cord boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: MkIIIC cg range?
Date: Apr 28, 2007
Robert, Although I don't have the specific number for you, 20-30% is too broad. (In other words---no help). No offence to Mike, but he was just throwing out the basic CG range for ALL airfoils. Hang in there for the exact number you're looking for! Ask again, if you need to. _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: MkIIIC cg range?
Date: Apr 28, 2007
Went and looked at my plans, printed circa 1990. Greater than 20% and less than 37%. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GPS and new technologies
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 28, 2007
A VOR is a waste of space and money. A GPS will do 10 times what a VOR will do and do it better, more reliably, and cheaper. If you must have a back up your GPS, you would be better off to back it up with a second GPS. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109776#109776 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ms Dixie update
From: "cspoke" <cspoke(at)gulftel.com>
Date: Apr 28, 2007
Paul, Sure looks good,,,Seeing all your pictures makes me even more motivated to finish my Xtra. I hope that mine ends up loking as nice as your Kolbra. -------- Craig Spoke Mark 111 Xtra (in the works) Lillian, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109789#109789 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FireFly single struts
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Date: Apr 29, 2007
Herb, I went to the hangar yestarday, and measured those struts. They are : Major= 2 5/8 x minor 1 1/8 rough measure. After looking at the Wicks cat...I think they are part number SL 26 11-4 .049 wall As I remember, 1 inch square tubing fit inside nicely. Don -------- Don G FireFly#098 http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109820#109820 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: Drinks at MV
Date: Apr 29, 2007
Arty made it to Grants Pass yesterday at about 4 PM and is due to depart for my strip in the next few minutes. The winds are a bit cranky and there is fog on their way. Once they get over the Cascades the winds are headed this way, but will be a bit brisk. If every thing goes well, we will head out of here tomorrow morning and eventually see all of you at MV. Larry,Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2007
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject: Re: Drinks at MV
On 4/29/07, Larry Bourne wrote: > > Amazing ! ! ! Must be a Brit thing. D'you guys ever hear of such a thing > ?? I'm sure I've heard of a similar ritual in Australia, and maybe Canada, > too. > Down here in Texas, it's a lot simpler than what the Brits do... we have one step: "Lip lock on a longneck." ;-) -- Robert ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2007
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Drinks at MV
What an adventure. I'm sure envious, Larry. Good Luck ! ! ! Long Neck. Long Neck ?? Ain't that one a them ladies in Bali or Cambodia or somesuch that wear them stacks of rings around their necks ??.....or we talkin' somethin' different here ?? Lar. Do not Archive. On 4/29/07, Robert Laird wrote: > > > On 4/29/07, Larry Bourne wrote: > > > > Amazing ! ! ! Must be a Brit thing. D'you guys ever hear of such a > > thing ?? I'm sure I've heard of a similar ritual in Australia, and maybe > > Canada, too. > > > > > Down here in Texas, it's a lot simpler than what the Brits do... we have > one step: "Lip lock on a longneck." ;-) > > > -- Robert > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: GPS failure
Date: Apr 29, 2007
Hi All, On my previous oration about the vitues of VOR's and GPS's, I mentioned I had a GPS failure that "skeered" me a little. To clarify things, it wasn't an electrical problem or anything like that, that caused the outage. It was tubulence!! A GPS's antenna cannot "hone" in on the required satelites if it is being shaken all over the place. While I was flying over the N California/Oregon moutains I came across some significant turbulence, but coverage was restored when the air settled down. I was on a long x/country flight and was at 8500' msl. I just kept pointing at a snow capped peak, that was off in the distance (150 miles away), that I was pointing at before I lost coverage. After a few minutes, things went back to normal. Mike Welch _________________________________________________________________ Dont quit your job Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. Start Today! http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866144 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 29, 2007
| It was tubulence!! A GPS's antenna cannot "hone" in on the required | satelites if it is being shaken all over the place. | Mike Welch Mike: I've experienced a little turbulence over the years, flying with the GPS, but never lost coverage because of turbulence. I believe as long as the antenna can see the satellites, it will receive, no matter how quickly the antenna is changing location. However, there are certain areas in CONUS and Canada that are blanked out to GPS, and the GPS will come up with "Coverage Lost". I would never have figured this out had it not happened a few years ago when my Kolb friends and I were flying to the Outter Banks, NC. An area SW of Trenton, SC, is where I lost coverage. Took 30 minutes or an hour to get it back. I had experienced similar loss of coverage in Canada, so I figured it was my unit or antenna that was causing this loss. When we made our next landing, John W indicated he had also lost coverage in the same area. Chances of two GPS units losing coverage in the same area at the same time, then recovering about the same time are pretty slim. BTW: Where was your GPS antenna mounted in/on the aircraft? john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Pearce" <rap(at)isp.com>
Subject: First flight
Date: Apr 28, 2007
Well I did it this morning committed aviation. Flew 55 min. Did real good flew hands off at 5500rpm 65 mile per hour. Have to repitch the prop (Power Fin). Had to back off full trottle on take off because the EIS gave me a warning. Had to use some right aileron on the high speed taxi's to keep that wing down. But as soon as I got in the air it disapeared. Had a little cross wind to contend with. But it was from the left. I'm now smoking my celbration stogy and drinking a cold one.:) Hobbs is not working. Will defiantly have to get some sound attenating head sets. Any one used one off the kits to convert a std. head set to sound attenating? Could not hear the ground crew at higher RPM's. Rick Pearce MK3C 912ULS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 29, 2007
John, My favorite toy in the whole world, my Garmin 95XL was attached to my yoke with the bracket, and the antenna was suction cupped at the center top of the windshield. If it wasn't turbulence that caused my outage, then that would be even worse. It is the boonies where you would want the best protection, not flying over fairly populated areas you can identify by looking them. Makes my point even more. VOR's are still a good resourse for your piloting skills. Mike Welch >From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> >Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: GPS failure >Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:36:53 -0500 > > >| It was tubulence!! A GPS's antenna cannot "hone" in on the required >| satelites if it is being shaken all over the place. > > > | Mike Welch > >Mike: > >I've experienced a little turbulence over the years, flying with the >GPS, but never lost coverage because of turbulence. I believe as long >as the antenna can see the satellites, it will receive, no matter how >quickly the antenna is changing location. > >However, there are certain areas in CONUS and Canada that are blanked >out to GPS, and the GPS will come up with "Coverage Lost". I would >never have figured this out had it not happened a few years ago when >my Kolb friends and I were flying to the Outter Banks, NC. An area SW >of Trenton, SC, is where I lost coverage. Took 30 minutes or an hour >to get it back. I had experienced similar loss of coverage in Canada, >so I figured it was my unit or antenna that was causing this loss. >When we made our next landing, John W indicated he had also lost >coverage in the same area. Chances of two GPS units losing coverage >in the same area at the same time, then recovering about the same time >are pretty slim. > >BTW: Where was your GPS antenna mounted in/on the aircraft? > >john h >mkIII > > _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 29, 2007
| Makes my point even more. VOR's are still a good resourse for your | piloting skills. Mike Welch Mike: I would rather rely on mag compass and sectional as backup to the GPS. Doesn't matter whether you are over the woods or not. Out in the boodocks there are usually rather prominent terrain features that are easily identifiable, especially Northern California. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 29, 2007
John and others, I greatly agree with you regarding a sectional and compass (and watch). These items should be the first tools of navigation a good pilot should reach for. I guess the main point is; there are several methods of navigating today and a good pilot would never want to rely on only one. The early days of mail service had the airmail pilot using only a compass, watch and chart. They were able to navigate beyond our imigination, in conditions that would seem impossible. And they did all this long before the days of radar, VOR's, GPS's and a cell phone in every pocket! They guys are the early heros of our hobby, and oh, how I would love to sit and listen to some of their "war stories" We are pilots, guys. We come from good stock!! Mike _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2007
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Kolbers, When China blew up one of their satellites during target practice, it put out a lot of high speed space junk. What if it knocks out a couple of gps satellites? How many gps satellites have to be destroyed to bring down the system? Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: w&b mkIII c
Date: Apr 29, 2007
I have been visiting with Robert Laird off list and gave him the information off my set of plans. Twinstar Mark III / copy right jan 1990 / Rev, 3-96 My plans say 16 1/2 to 23.1 inches from the leading edge of the wing. Those numbers work out to 25 to 35 % of wing cord.... Note when weighing the plane to do the W&B the bottom of the wing ribs should be pitched up at a 9 deg angle... Went into much more detail off list and offered the W&B spread sheet to him... and would again extend that offer to anyone wanting it, Boyd Young ________________________________________________________________________________
From: russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 29, 2007
Jack I've been told there are 27 GPS satellites in orbit, 24 in use at any one time . Possibly someone else has more definitive info here. Each one has FOUR atomic clocks in it -- hence they cost so many billions of $$. We have the military to thank. GA user-fees would be a long time coming up with that much cash! I doubt the Chinese shrapnel came anywhere near the GPS sat's. Incidentally, I knew that GPS's won't "see" through heavy green leaves -- but I found out to my dismay that they won't penetrate heavy snow either. Russ Kinne On Apr 29, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > > Kolbers, > > When China blew up one of their satellites during target practice, > it put > out a lot of high speed space junk. What if it knocks out a couple > of gps > satellites? How many gps satellites have to be destroyed to bring > down the > system? > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
At 11:10 AM 4/29/2007, you wrote: > > > Hi All, > > On my previous oration about the vitues of VOR's and GPS's, I > mentioned I had a GPS failure that "skeered" me a little. My class was the first allowed to use "a calculator" at Ga. Tech. The old guys would tell us to keep our slide rules handy just in case that new finagled contraption quite on us. So ....glad I didn't have to use a slide rule. I just keep an extra (cheap) GPS for backup by the time I could figure the VOR I was already in the next county anyway. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 29, 2007
| The early days of mail service had the airmail pilot using only a | compass, watch and chart. They were able to navigate beyond our | imigination, in conditions that would seem impossible. Mike Mike: There are a couple Army helicopter pilots on the Kolb List that learned to navigate in the air, as late as 1968, with compass, map, and time. In fact, that was our primary means of nav in VN in 1969 and 70. From 1973 until my last flight in 1976, I flew for minimums in UH-1, OH-58 types of helicopters. I still flew pilotage and ded reckoning until the summer of 1993, when I purchased my first GPS. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 29, 2007
. | Incidentally, I knew that GPS's won't "see" through heavy green | leaves -- but I found out to my dismay that they won't penetrate | heavy snow either. | Russ Kinne Russ: Depends on the system. Some will and some won't. We had a cheap Etrex localize inside the kitchen. Outside, my 196 will barely obtain coverage because of the trees. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 29, 2007
There are a couple Army helicopter pilots on the Kolb List that learned to navigate in the air, as late as 1968, with compass, map, and time. In fact, that was our primary means of nav in VN in 1969 and 70. From 1973 until my last flight in 1976, I flew for minimums in UH-1, OH-58 types of helicopters. The previous sentence should have included: " From 1973 until my last flight in 1976, I flew for minimums in UH-1, OH-58 types of helicopters." 20,000 xin loi's, john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 29, 2007
| From 1973 until my last flight in 1976, I flew for minimums | in UH-1, OH-58 types of helicopters. | Hi Gang: The third try is going to be a charm. Sentence, above, should have included "pilotage and DED reckoning." 100,000 xin loi's, john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
At 07:39 PM 4/29/2007, you wrote: > > | From 1973 until my last flight in 1976, I flew for minimums >| in UH-1, OH-58 types of helicopters. >|Hi Gang: >The third try is going to be a charm. Sentence, above, should have >included "pilotage and DED reckoning." >100,000 xin loi's, >john h Braggin rights. I was tryin to keep my arse in college an otta nam. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 29, 2007
John Glad your Etrex worked OK in the kitchen -- but watch out for those Alabama blizzards! On Apr 29, 2007, at 7:04 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > > . > | Incidentally, I knew that GPS's won't "see" through heavy green > | leaves -- but I found out to my dismay that they won't penetrate > | heavy snow either. > | Russ Kinne > > > Russ: > > Depends on the system. Some will and some won't. We had a cheap > Etrex localize inside the kitchen. Outside, my 196 will barely obtain > coverage because of the trees. > > john h > mkIII > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
John Hauck wrote: > > > . > | Incidentally, I knew that GPS's won't "see" through heavy green > | leaves -- but I found out to my dismay that they won't penetrate > | heavy snow either. > | Russ Kinne > > > Russ: > > Depends on the system. Some will and some won't. We had a cheap > Etrex localize inside the kitchen. Outside, my 196 will barely obtain > coverage because of the trees. > > john h > mkIII And my neighbor's GRT EFIS will lock on inside his build-shop with a shingle roof & only a couple of very small windows. Charlie (I was surprised, too.) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 30, 2007
John/Mike/All, Pretty rare nowadays to see any kind of significant outage in any part of the U.S. due purely to lack of coverage. Occasionally, there are system-wide disruptions due to the satellites' being purposely 'skewed' for reasons known only to the 'skewer' (U.S. Gov't). One example bandied about is during high 'threat' levels, so the sats can't be used against us. I haven't seen any interruptions in the last 3-4 years, heavily using the system during that time. Anyone following the (supposed) demise of LORAN will see why the VOR system will be with us for many, many years. One major US airline up until just a few years ago was still ordering its new Boeings with dual VOR's. This despite everyone else having EFIS, FMS, GPS, INS, et al. Have been using a Garmin 496 with XM weather lately. Highly recommend it. Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: GPS failure > > Mike: > (Snip) > However, there are certain areas in CONUS and Canada that are blanked > out to GPS, and the GPS will come up with "Coverage Lost". (Snip) > > john h > mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: GPS and new technologies
Date: Apr 30, 2007
Hi Lar, You're correct about having enough altitude when using VORs. I've always found '10 miles per one thousand feet' works in the flatlands, and higher for mountainous areas. It's that line-of sight thing. Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Bourne To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: GPS and new technologies I learned to use the VOR system when I learned to fly in '94, and used it for real when navigating a Cessna 172 from Port Angeles, WA to Weippe, ID, (70 miles E of Lewiston, ID) a trip of close to 500 miles. I found that the VOR's only work well when you're at altitude, and then only the closer ones were dependable. I mostly flew at 1,000 - 2,500 ft AGL on that trip, and *sometimes* the VOR worked, but I quickly learned to listen VEry closely to the Morse Code identifier for each station. There's only a limited number of frequencies available to them, and you need to be very sure exactly which station you're tracking. My girlfriend was with me, and I showed her how to use the system to help keep her interested. (central and eastern WA state is booooring) I think I still have that old sectional somewhere. It's got pencil lines going every which way that she drew while trying to figure it out. What Fun ! ! ! Lar. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 30, 2007
They were able to navigate beyond our| imigination, in conditions that would seem impossible. >> Hi, Early fliers were all taught to navigate like that. a local lady, the Honourable Mrs Victor Bruce, was an early flier. She had a rich and indulgent husband and was into anything that went fast. Racehorses, cars,motorbikes. She bought a DH Moth on a whim from a shop in London which happened to have one in the window (can you believe it?) and then bullied Tommy Sopwith in to teaching her to fly. The first time she flew out of sight of the airfield she learned at she went off on a tour of Europe. Shortly after that she flew round the world. All in this litlle Moth. I asked her how she corrected for drift and she told me that she had some lines painted on the tail plane at various degrees and she just looked behind her, lined up the marks with a tree or other prominent object and then kicked the rudder in to compensate. She had many adventures, engine failures etc., but as most of the world was pink on the map in those days there always seemd to be an army garrison closeby wherever she went down. There was one story of all the natives in the area being called in to stamp the ground flat so that she could take off.. I believe that she was an ATA pilot during the war. In case you don`t know the ATA, mostly women, flew replacement aircraft from the factories to the squadrons during the war. Any weather,mainly non radio, unescorted and unarmed. They flew all types from Spits and Hurri`s to Mosquitos and Lancasters . A couple of weeks ago I flew into the field which was the ATA HQ during the war. Apart from the graves of some girls who bought it in a Mosquito there was also a pic of a girl who was checked out in every type the RAF was flying at the time. Unsung heroines. Cheers Pat. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 30, 2007
What if it knocks out a couple of gps satellites? How many gps satellites have to be destroyed to bring down the system? >> Jack, If the balloon goes up the sats will be the first to go. They are sitting ducks and everyone knows exactly where they are. They cannot be defended and you could put one out of action with half a brick or a sharp stick. Imagine that plus the EMP from an atomic explosion. World comms going out. Radio, phones,e-mails, navigation systems. It would be like going back to a horse drawn era. Keep a slipstick and a pencil handy. cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Arksey(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 30, 2007
Subject: thanks Arty
Good report on your trip, send us more when you can Arty. Jim Swan firestar ll michigan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 30, 2007
Dear Ed et al: I have experienced two GPS outtages in the last couple of years, both in the same area near Peck MI. At a recent EAA chapter meeting, a spokesman from FSS advised us to 'always' ask the briefer for any RAIM alerts, which are areas and times when outtages are occurring or expected. -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / N722KM Rochester MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:50 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: GPS failure > > John/Mike/All, > > Pretty rare nowadays to see any kind of significant outage in any > part of the U.S. due purely to lack of coverage. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: GPS failure
Date: Apr 30, 2007
IME roofs don't cause problems; wood, tarpaper, sheet metal (sometimes), even fibreglass on boats. I think the water content is the problem -- e.g, leaves, snow. Russ K On Apr 29, 2007, at 11:07 PM, Charlie England wrote: > > > John Hauck wrote: >> . >> | Incidentally, I knew that GPS's won't "see" through heavy green >> | leaves -- but I found out to my dismay that they won't penetrate >> | heavy snow either. >> | Russ Kinne >> Russ: >> Depends on the system. Some will and some won't. We had a cheap >> Etrex localize inside the kitchen. Outside, my 196 will barely >> obtain coverage because of the trees. >> john h >> mkIII > And my neighbor's GRT EFIS will lock on inside his build-shop with > a shingle roof & only a couple of very small windows. > > Charlie > (I was surprised, too.) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 912 Throttle Cable Failure
Date: Apr 30, 2007
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
John H. suggests: << Spend a buck and get a new cable. Why take a chance on another failure. Your home soldered cable is not the first failure I have heard about. john h >> Thanks for the tip, John - I did exactly that. I bought a replacement cable from the local bicycle shop ($5) with a factory-pressed cable end. I had to file it down a bit so it would fit in the little slot in the splitter slider. Have already test flown with the new cable - all seems OK. If I ever need to do this again, I will do it as Richard Pike suggests: Fray the cable end that sticks out from the ferrule, then solder in a big glop of solder into the frayed strands. THAT should keep it from pulling out again! Dennis Kirby ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Nose ART
Date: Apr 30, 2007
Just got back to Michigan and installed some nose art on my MKIIIC. Follow Kolb member Vic Peters made it for me. Note! the VW logo on her tush. I told my wife it reminded me of her. Yes I'm still married but she isn't happy. Wives..... go figure. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: First flight
Date: Apr 30, 2007
Rick Congratulations. It a real special thing to fly a plane you built. Wow doesn't seem like it was that long ago that you had just started that build. I installed the active noise reduction kit from Headsets http://www.headsetsinc.com/ in my Sigtronics head sets five years ago. They helped a bunch. I would think they have improved them since then just like every one else. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Pearce To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Kolb-List: First flight Well I did it this morning committed aviation. Flew 55 min. Did real good flew hands off at 5500rpm 65 mile per hour. Have to repitch the prop (Power Fin). Had to back off full trottle on take off because the EIS gave me a warning. Had to use some right aileron on the high speed taxi's to keep that wing down. But as soon as I got in the air it disapeared. Had a little cross wind to contend with. But it was from the left. I'm now smoking my celbration stogy and drinking a cold one.:) Hobbs is not working. Will defiantly have to get some sound attenating head sets. Any one used one off the kits to convert a std. head set to sound attenating? Could not hear the ground crew at higher RPM's. Rick Pearce MK3C 912ULS ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First flight
From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 30, 2007
Congratulations from a jelous Skeeter. Life won't be the same :D Skeeter Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110095#110095 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 30, 2007
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Nose ART
Rick , That is Awesome!!!!!!! you are a man I would like to know ! Chris Davis ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:40:26 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Nose ART Just got back to Michigan and installed some nose art on my MKIIIC. Follow Kolb member Vic Peters made it for me. Note! the VW logo on her tush. I told my wife it reminded me of her. Yes I'm still married but she isn't happy. Wives..... go figure. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First flight
From: "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com>
Date: Apr 30, 2007
Congratulations Rick! The Kolbs last a long time. Ask me how I know this. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 20 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110135#110135 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: We Leave for MV tomorrow - via Texas
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Apr 30, 2007
I'll add a few pictures to the narrative above and a quick update. Arty, Larry and Karen headed south and made it safely to Tonepah, NV. They will continue on tomorrow. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110163#110163 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/outback_ifr_555.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/artymuckyflats_201.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/manning_international_163.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/100mph_172.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/we_made_it_184.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ready_to_go_186.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: We Leave for MV tomorrow - via Texas
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Apr 30, 2007
Joe and I returned home today. In two days we covered 644miles in 11 hours flat. On the return trip we had a strong headwind from Larry Cottrells place back to Lakeview. Average ground speed for that 133.7 mile leg was 46mph! The rest of the trip home was much better with only light headwinds and average ground speeds of 62 on the next leg and 67mph on the home stretch. Ill attach a few pics from the flight home. This is the most I have ever asked my Firestar to do in two day and it did just fine. I do think I will register it light sport and put in bigger fuel tanks though. Big country calls for big gas tanks. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110169#110169 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/big_wheels_590.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/crumplake_961.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/mt_mcloughlin_798.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: W&B
Date: May 01, 2007
Been working off line with Robert Laird on his W&B and come up with a small spread sheet that will calculate the exact arm for the pilot, fuel, or any other item added to a plane.... no more guessing at the location of the belly button or calculating the center of mass of the fuel tanks etc... The spread sheet is not been made to look real purdy,,,,, but it works. I put in some example numbers to test functionally .... you can erase the test numbers and save it or duplicate it in a format that is better thought out. Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 01, 2007
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject: Re: W&B
Ok, now that I've got the w&b done, who's got a MkIIIC POH that I can borrow (in Word format, if possible). Thanks! -- Robert On 5/1/07, boyd wrote: > > Been working off line with Robert Laird on his W&B and come up with a > small spread sheet that will calculate the exact arm for the pilot, fuel, > or > any other item added to a plane.... no more guessing at the location of > the belly button or calculating the center of mass of the fuel tanks > etc... > > The spread sheet is not been made to look real purdy,,,,, but it works. > > I put in some example numbers to test functionally .... you can erase the > test numbers and save it or duplicate it in a format that is better > thought > out. > > Boyd > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 01, 2007
From: Michael Sharp <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com>
Subject: Re: W&B
Robert, I asked for a POH several years ago and the consensus at that time was that no one had one. Hopefully that has changed, If one showes up please post it to the group... Mike Robert Laird wrote: Ok, now that I've got the w&b done, who's got a MkIIIC POH that I can borrow (in Word format, if possible). Thanks! -- Robert On 5/1/07, boyd wrote: Been working off line with Robert Laird on his W&B and come up with a small spread sheet that will calculate the exact arm for the pilot, fuel, or any other item added to a plane.... no more guessing at the location of the belly button or calculating the center of mass of the fuel tanks etc... The spread sheet is not been made to look real purdy,,,,, but it works. I put in some example numbers to test functionally .... you can erase the test numbers and save it or duplicate it in a format that is better thought out. Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 01, 2007
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject: Re: W&B
Ok, I will. And if one doesn't show up, I'll take the POH I wrote a few years ago for an Aventura II and re-write it for the Kolb, and post it. I'm at a bit of a disadvantage, though, since I don't have -any- Kolb documentation, plans, schematics, etc. -- Robert On 5/1/07, Michael Sharp wrote: > > Robert, > > I asked for a POH several years ago and the consensus at that time was > that no one had one. Hopefully that has changed, If one showes up please > post it to the group... > > Mike > > *Robert Laird * wrote: > > Ok, now that I've got the w&b done, who's got a MkIIIC POH that I can > borrow (in Word format, if possible). > > Thanks! > > -- Robert > > > On 5/1/07, boyd wrote: > > > > Been working off line with Robert Laird on his W&B and come up with a > > small spread sheet > > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Where are Larry and Arty?
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: May 01, 2007
This is a test. Please don't reply to this post. I will update the map/photo as new locations are acquired. All you will have to do is check the photo to get Larry and Arty's progress. Please don't reply to this post or this Subject Line. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110264#110264 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_30_2007_166.gif ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: We Leave for MV tomorrow - via Texas
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: May 01, 2007
Quick update: Larry, Arty and Karen are in Pahrump, NV this evening. They had very strong headwinds. Arty's radio was shaken out of its mounts it was so bumpy. They landed in winds of 25 or better, luckily straight down the runway. There are T-storms predicted in the LasVegas area tomorrow so they are planning on Needles. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110328#110328 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: May 01, 2007
Subject: Re: Firefly Landing speed
Group, I have installed a winter ASI as suggested by John H. and it appears to be accurate. It seems my Firefly settles on the runway at 40 indicated with no flaps. Does that sound right? Also my 447 is running with Egt's at 950* and cht's at 375*-400 * at 5700-5800 rpms. Does that sound good or do I need to have higher egts in order to reduce carbon? Ed Diebel FF# 62


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See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: Firefly Landing speed
Date: May 01, 2007
I would like my cht to be about 50 degrees lower, and my egt about 100 - 150 degrees higher. If you have an adjustable pitch prop, taking out a bit of pitch ought to accomplish both. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly Landing speed Group, I have installed a winter ASI as suggested by John H. and it appears to be accurate. It seems my Firefly settles on the runway at 40 indicated with no flaps. Does that sound right? Also my 447 is running with Egt's at 950* and cht's at 375*-400 * at 5700-5800 rpms. Does that sound good or do I need to have higher egts in order to reduce carbon? Ed Diebel FF# 62 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firestar II - installation of electric start
From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 01, 2007
Has anyone with a Firestar II installed an electric start on their aircraft? There does not appear to be enough room for the electric start. I'm trying to keep my Ballistic shute *BRS* model 750 & the starter. It also appears the engine case needs to be modifed to allow all the parts to fit. There was no instructions with my starter so I'm trying to figure it out as I go along. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110363#110363 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Trailer venting
Guys, I'm almost finished [re]building the enclosed trailer for my Ultrastar. It's a bit... ah... different (pix to follow). What I was wondering is what to do about venting? Something to let heat and mosture out, without letting rain in. If it would never be on the road some simple louvered vents would be fine, but I'm concerned wind would blow water in them if driving in the rain. Mainly I'm concerned about keeping it from getting too hot inside, since I'll probably be storing the plane in the trailer. I was thinking maybe louvered vents (house gable vents) in the rear upper doors to let air out. but something down low in the front to let air (but not water) in is also necessary. -Dana -- -- My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Trailer venting
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Date: May 02, 2007
Dana et al: To deal with venting, used sofit vents (about 3" X 10") at the top, front and rear on the sides. Used round vents (about 1 1/2") at the floor. These items have fixed louvers and would block any wind blown rain unless it was being blown at an up angle. All have window screen material to keep the critters out. In the round ones at the bottom, if you want a little more assurance, cram a piece of plastic scrub pad (like steel wool, but made of plastic) into the hole. Don't use steel wool. Will rust away in a high moisture environment. Although not taken to show the vents, there are a few pics from the "Trailering a Kolb" section of my web site that show their placement. http://gtalexander.home.att.net/target1.html http://gtalexander.home.att.net/target2.html http://gtalexander.home.att.net/target11.html d-m-hague(at)comcast.net wrote: > Guys, > > I'm almost finished [re]building the enclosed trailer for my > Ultrastar. > > > > I was thinking maybe louvered vents (house gable vents) in the rear upper > doors to let air out. but something down low in the front to let air (but > not water) in is also necessary. > > -Dana > -------- George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110399#110399 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Beauford T" <beauford(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Firefly Landing speed
Date: May 02, 2007
Ed: Since you are asking, mine is propped at 6500 level WOT... egt's show 1080 to 1100 at cruise... 1180 to 1200 at closed throttle glide. Since mine was converted to the green-dot pistons over at the Lockwood Castle, the head temps hang around 370 to 375 at cruise.... that's a 5900 cruise... Mine indicates about the same VSO airspeed as yours...38, 39 or so... but with no static side hookup ...??? who really knows? I weigh 208 and I think around 40 is where it actually pays off (vortex generators and all) with my flabby fanny in the front end... I climb it at 60, glide it at 60, cruise it at 65 indicated. Based on your numbers, I agree with the others that you could likely stand to take a little pitch out of your prop... Worth what ye paid fer it... Beauford FF076 Brandon, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly Landing speed Group, I have installed a winter ASI as suggested by John H. and it appears to be accurate. It seems my Firefly settles on the runway at 40 indicated with no flaps. Does that sound right? Also my 447 is running with Egt's at 950* and cht's at 375*-400 * at 5700-5800 rpms. Does that sound good or do I need to have higher egts in order to reduce carbon? Ed Diebel FF# 62 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Blumax008(at)aol.com
Date: May 02, 2007
Subject: Re: Firestar II - installation of electric start
You could put an E drive on it which has the starter installed with (beside) the gearbox. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2007
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Update #2 2007 Ultralight Flight to MV via Texas
Hi folks, It's Wednesday morning, and we're sitting in the computer room of Pahrump, NV library. Monday morning we left Larry Cottrell's airstrip in Rome, OR. It was a gorgeous clear morning. Joe Kleeman and Roger Hankins, who had flown to the Cottrells with me, took off first, heading back to their respective home airports. Larry and I took off to the south, and had an absolutely gorgeous flight over astounding desert. (I don't have a way to send photos while we're on this trip, so will have to send a bunch when I get home. We flew straight from the Cottrells to Battle Mountain, NV - a 2.5 hour flight. Slight tailwinds and lovely flying. Larry and I cruise at just about the same speed - between 55 and 60 mph, which makes for very easy flying together. We refueled at Battle Mountain and then followed the highway south to Tonopah. We cut a lot of corners, but the highway goes through a wide valley, so we were never more than 5 miles from the highway. We had a little trouble finding Austin, NV (one of our waypoints) and finally found it tucked up high in the hills. We were usually flying at 6500-8000' and both of us found that our EGTs were reading low - mine at 1025 and Larry's at less than 1000. We landed at Tonopah, NV at 1:30 p.m. The last 40 minutes had been pretty rough flying - lots of turbulence and getting bounced around. It was a relief to set foot in the FBO and sink into a chair. Karen drove up about 20 minutes later. She'd had a lot of trouble finding the airport - the highway markings were the pits. We were really pleased to have reached Tonopah the first day out - it's about 400 miles from our starting point. We could have gone on later in the afternoon when the winds died down, but we were offered a large military wood WWII hangar to camp in, and the offer was too good to refuse. Wait til you see the pics of the Subaru, loaded down with camping gear, 8 5-gallon gas tanks, and 3 dogs! We set up our campsite inside the hangar - went to town for food, and had a barbeque of steak and salad inside the hangar. It was great! Tuesday morning was one of those glorious desert sunrises and we were off the ground at 6:40 a.m. Our first waypoint was Goldfield - a closed runway which the flight guide says has bushes and tumbleweeds growing up in the runway itself. Since it was only 34 miles from Tonopah, we hadn't planned on stopping, but Larry was getting concerned about his low EGTs, and wanted to land there so he could reset his needle jets. The runway is fine for ultralights - (whoops - I need to remember that I'm now officially flying an E-LSA!) - the bushes/brush are growing to the sides and the center is fine. It's an uphill runway that ends in the "town" - a ramshackle looking place. We landed without difficulty, Larry changed out his needle jets, and we took off again. Our flight continued much as before - flying at 6500-8000', slight headwinds that sometimes became slight tailwinds. Very calm air - I was able to take lots of pictures. We passed a huge airstrip at Beatty, NV - absolutely immense from the air, yet out in the middle of nowhere. No hangars, no planes tied down. We were still following Hwy. 95 south through Nevada, and all our waypoints showed up as planned. We were going to stop at Calvada Meadows in the Pahrump Valley (still Nevada) and continue on, but as we flew over a low range of jaggedey mountains into the Pahrump Valley, our luck turned and turbulence caught up with us. I was deep into an "arm-flinging" flight - my euphamism for the worst type of turbulence. Since I fly an open cockpit Drifter - nothing to grab onto when I start getting bounced around - when it's REALLY bouncy I throw out my left arm - because if I inadvertently grab onto the throttle for stability, I'm likely to break it off! (It's got a really long arm.) I also image that the left arm flailing in the wind does a little to stabilize the plane. :>) It was so bumpy that my radio, which is fastened to the center console with velcro, bounced off and dangled in the bottom of the plane. It was way too bumpy to try and retrieve it, so I just hoped that Larry would be extra careful watching out for me as we came into land. We were going to land on 33, but the wind shifted and as I lined up for final I saw the sock going in the opposite direction, so I went around and came in on 15. Not the best landing I've ever done, but not the worst either. Trying to turn around to back-taxi was impossible, so I had to turn it off, and pick up the tail to get it around. Karen was waiting, and we muscled the planes to a tie down spot and tied them down REALLY well. Then we drove to a motorcycle dealership to try and get 152 main jets, to further lean out our engines. A fellow who was at the store (which didn't have any) told us about someone at the airpark who is "Mr. Ultralight". To make a long story shorter, he wasn't home, we talked to him and then went to a motel. Even though it was only11:00 a.m. and we'd only covered 150 miles, there was no question that we were going to be able to continue on in this wind. (I had called for a weather briefing and the winds were supposed to increase in the afternoon.) That evening, about 45 minutes before sunset, I was re-checking our next day's route and realized that I didn't have a Las Vegas Terminal Area chart. So I called back "Mr. Ultralight" and he said he'd been trying to find us - where we had left our planes was a terrible spot - too isolated - and he wanted us to bring them over to his hangar and tie them down. We had taken everything out of the planes that had any value...but he said that if we left them there overnight, the engines would be gone in the morning! Wow - we'd never thought of that!! So we jumped into the car, drove to the airport, and taxied to his hangar. Winds were pretty high, and we were taxiing down-wind - an interesting endeavor in a tail-dragger. We tied down just as it was getting full-dark, with a huge golden moon rising over the mountains. The weather report was discouraging at 5:00 a.m. today - winds aloft 210 @ 18 and going up to 23 along our route. Almost a direct headwind, and even with my 16 gallons aboard, we'd have difficulty getting very far. We decided to stay at the wonderful motel with pool, huge continental breakfast, and access to the library internet. Hopefully tomorrow will be better. I'll write again when I have a chance. Arty www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firestar II - installation of electric start
From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 02, 2007
I've had several folks tell me the GPL starter is the way to go. It has the starter sitting sideways instead of straight back like my Rotax starter. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110496#110496 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: floats
At 05:55 PM 5/2/2007, robert bean wrote: > >You leegal eegles out there; Looking at the TNK blurb about the >puddle jumper floats..... What's the deal regarding ELSA ? >I seem to remember that amphibious floats ran into a problem flying >under light sport... I believe the feds have amended the rule to allow "repositionable" landing gear on amphibious LSA. -Dana -- -- My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MV
From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 02, 2007
Sad news indeed! Was looking forward to seeing you again. Had a great flight in the mighty Skylark last year, recall? Skeeter Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110519#110519 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Trailer vents
Date: May 02, 2007
Here is a link to Wells Cargo, look at exterior options. I bought the side mount flow through vents for my trailer. Mounted one high on the front left side of the trailer and the other on the lower right rear. Steven http://www.wellscargo.com/wells/model.html?model=5 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WillUribe(at)aol.com
Date: May 02, 2007
Subject: Check out some boring video
_Click here: Kolb FireStar II - Google Video_ (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1480724639524498797) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
Date: May 02, 2007
Subject: Re: michigan kolb pilots
midland Barstow mb3 is having a pancake breakfast and I will buy breakfast for any kolb pilot that fly's in. yes I will , just ask for Malcolm when you get there ,,malcolm ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Check out some boring video
At 09:36 PM 5/2/2007, you wrote: ><http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1480724639524498797>Click >here: Kolb FireStar II - Google Video > > How'd you get the vibration out ? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2007
From: "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Subject: Re: floats
Here's the link to the FAA docket for that subject: http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=466165&docketid=27160 I think they are going to allow "retractable" gear, but you'll have to get signed off for using it. -- Robert On 5/2/07, Dana Hague wrote: > > > At 05:55 PM 5/2/2007, robert bean wrote: > > > >You leegal eegles out there; Looking at the TNK blurb about the > >puddle jumper floats..... What's the deal regarding ELSA ? > >I seem to remember that amphibious floats ran into a problem flying > >under light sport... > > I believe the feds have amended the rule to allow "repositionable" landing > gear on amphibious LSA. > > -Dana > > -- > -- > My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WillUribe(at)aol.com
Date: May 03, 2007
Subject: Check out some boring video
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of possums Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Check out some boring video At 09:36 PM 5/2/2007, you wrote: _Click here: Kolb FireStar II - Google Video_ (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1480724639524498797) How'd you get the vibration out ? I did nothing, I guess it has more to do with the camcorder's image stabilizer function. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N27SB(at)aol.com
Date: May 03, 2007
Subject: Re: floats
Robert, I believe you are right. As I understand the current rule, repositioning gear in the air is not allowed by a sport pilot. A Private Pilot is allowed to retract even in an LSA AC if he has his rating. However The document referenced is a proposal to amend the Sport Pilot Rule not a ruling. There is an exception to this in regard to the Mermaid and a few other LSA Amphib AC. These AC applied for and received waivers. I believe the individual Sport Pilot must still have an endorsement for that AC. Steve B Firefly on Floats ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GPS failure
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 03, 2007
mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote: > Hi All, > > To clarify things, it wasn't an electrical problem or anything like that, > that caused the outage. > It was tubulence!! A GPS's antenna cannot "hone" in on the required > satelites if it is being shaken all over the place. > Mike Welch > > You could not be more wrong, GPS works just fine in turbulance. Not only will GPS work fine in turbulance you would experience in an aircraft, but I have used GPS in turbulance and vibration that would cause structural failure in full sized aircraft. If your GPS was cutting out in turblance, then you had a loose wire, bad power connection, or something wrong in your system. You made a very bad assumption with your situation... There is just no inherent problem with GPS and turbulance. As I said before, if you are the type of person that must have a backup to your GPS, get another GPS, its cheaper, works better, and is simpler and more reliable than a VOR setup. GPS non avialability because sattelites are not in position is so rare, its not even wroth thinking aobut unless you are using it for a very tight IFR approach. Even if you get less than optinum sattelites, its only for a couple minutes before another comes into view, the worst you get is degraded accuracy ( maybe 100 feet accuracy instead of 10 feet ). In other words, its NOT AN ISSUE. For those of you that are worried about the Chinese shooting down the sattelites, then you might as well worry about the sky falling, and never leave the comfort of your underground cave... Besides, if it ever gets to that, we all will have much bigger problems about than your GPS not working. ( A war on that scale would take out the VOR's, and probably your life also ). Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110641#110641 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: MV
Date: May 03, 2007
no BYOB breakfast!!!!!!>> Hell Craig. I am wondering if it worth while coming to MV now. I was really looking forward to that breakfast. Hard luck indeed,, Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GeoR38(at)aol.com
Date: May 03, 2007
Subject: Re: Check out some boring video
In a message dated 5/2/2007 10:21:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, possums(at)bellsouth.net writes: _Click here: Kolb FireStar II - Google Video_ (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1480724639524498797) How'd you get the vibration out ? Neeeeto!.............especially for a challenged pilot like myelf having not flown in my wonderful KX for 2 years since moving to Florida question.... i noticed there was a crosswind from your left, yet you used a right pattern..... also where was that....seemed a little like El PASO OR New Mexico. George Randolph ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WillUribe(at)aol.com
Date: May 03, 2007
Subject: Re: Check out some boring video
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GeoR38(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Check out some boring video question.... i noticed there was a crosswind from your left, yet you used a right pattern..... also where was that....seemed a little like El PASO OR New Mexico. Video was taken in El Paso, TX and at this airport ultralights and gliders use a north side traffic pattern. GA use a south side traffic pattern. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Petty Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Check out some boring video Great stuff Will! Where is that airport and how long is that runway? It is Horizon Airport T27 in El Paso, TX the runway is 6885' X 50' do not archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com>
Subject: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH
Date: May 03, 2007
I need to get a bi-annual flight review, do I need to have a POH for my plane? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: david(at)davidlehman.net
Subject: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH
Date: May 03, 2007
No... -----Original Message----- From: "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com> Sent: 5/3/2007 7:08 PM Subject: Kolb-List: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH I need to get a bi-annual flight review, do I need to have a POH for my plane? .. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Check out some boring video
At 09:52 PM 5/3/2007, you wrote: >Years ago, shot video all fall from my Hummer, used a camera carrier >that suspended the camera from bungee cords. I did that too, Big camera, bungee cords, springy steel plate rivet mounted on the side of my 1983 CGS Hawk. BTW that was the top of the line 1983 utralight, ailerons, flaps, etc. Heck ....back then a double surface wing was a big thing. But still, the vibrations made the video unwatchable for most anybody but me. The new stabilizer chips take out the big jerky moves, but don't seem to do much for the little engine vibrations. I have remotes to turn my cameras on an off, so I don't need to have them wasting memory or film even when they are out on the wings or on the tail. If anybody could really solve the vibration problem, we all could do amazing videos ...I mean the 5 minutes you get in the average 3 hour flight. Here is what my old HI-8 set up off looks like, the new digital is much smaller and much cleaner. I got a little box to convert the VHS/Hi-8 stuff to digital so I can load it on Goggle. I ought to send "Larry out west"?" my old system and let him shoot some stuff to entertain us. I'll ever convert it and load it on Goggle for him. Hi-8/VHS converted - "Old" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9177096133625180462&hl=en Digital "mostly" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8558932262133094065&hl=en ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Where are Larry and Arty
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: May 03, 2007
Larry called this evening from Casa Grande, AZ. They flew approx. 8 hours today. Whew! -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110722#110722 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 04, 2007
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Where are Larry and Arty
Let them know that if they swing up thru Santa Fe, I'll buy them a real nice dinner. Get them an employees rate at a luxury resort and spa, too, with pickup and delivery service to the airport. Lar. On 5/3/07, R. Hankins wrote: > > > Larry called this evening from Casa Grande, AZ. They flew approx. 8 hours > today. Whew! > > -------- > Roger in Oregon > 1992 KXP 503 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110722#110722 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <thomriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Check out some boring videoCheck out some boring video
Date: May 04, 2007
The airframe mounted videos I've done have been vibration free as well. The image stabilization in the camera is a big help but I also mounted mine using a 1" thick piece of foam rubber as a cushion all around, with it "preloaded" by compressing it about 1/2" to absorb shocks in all directions. Seems to work. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Check out some boring video
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 04, 2007
I have used this software to remove the shake from videos. You need to get the videos to your pc first. Then run in through VirtualDub with the Deshaker plug in. It is a little tricky but it can save videos that are just too shaky to watch. I almost deleted 2 videos I had made of my kids first wakeboarding attemps because they are so bad. But after deshaking them they were good enough to keep, pretty good actually. Here is the plug-in; http://www.guthspot.se/video/deshaker.htm How to use Deshaker guide: http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/articles/deshaker_guide.htm -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110766#110766 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 04, 2007
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: #3 Update 2007 Ultralight Flight to MV via Texas
Hi all, It's Friday morning, and we just called for a weather briefing. Just a few minutes ago I optimistically sent Dave Rains (El Paso) an e-mail saying we might make it tonight. I should have talked to WX-BRIEF first! Winds aloft not a problem - tailwinds of 15-30 all the way to El Paso. We just wouldn't have been able to land anywhere! All across New Mexico and into El Paso there are surface winds of 15/20 gusting to 30, 40 and even 50!!! There's a slow cold front moving east and that's likely to remain for a couple of days. Happily, we've staying with some Kolber friends of mine here in Casa Grande, AZ (south of Phoenix). Let me recap yesterday's flight. When we got to our planes yesterday morning and were doing a radio check, we found that my radio had been damaged in the turbulence on Tuesday. I could hear, but couldn't transmit. (For anyone who knows me, you'll be laughing. My preference is talking over listening!) So all day our method of communication was to fly in close visual contact. If Larry wanted to tell me or ask me anything, he would ask a questionthat could be answered with "yes" or "no" and I'd waggle my wings for a "yes" response and keep them level for a "no" response, Happily, we had calm air all day, so I could keep them level as necessary. We took off and promptly lost sight of each other - circled for 20 minutes before making visual contact. From then on, we were "wing-to-wing" buddies. :>) The first leg was 2.5 hours to Needles, CA. Calm air and flying over beautiful, yet desolate country. Wide valleys of sagebrush, rocks, and dirt roads between jagged mountains (5800-7500') of dark rock. Beautiful to fly over, but I didn't envy Karen who was driving it. After refueling in Needles we flew on over more of the same for a 1.5 hr. leg to Blythe, CA. Blythe is a beautiful valley which is green, green, green - thanks to the Colorado River, which has been channeled into canals for agriculture irrigation. A brief refueling stop and then on for another 2 hours to Buckeye. Again, calm air and beautifully desolate scenery. From Buckeye we flew for an hour to Casa Grande, our destination for the day. As we came near Casa Grande, we saw "forests" of saguero cactus. We were following a dry river bed at about 1000'AGL, and Larry with a shout of glee (yes, he keyed the radio so I heard it) dove down and followed the windy riverbed. I hope my pics of him turn out. We landed at Casa Grande about 7:15 p.m. - we had left Calvada Meadows at 8:00 a.m.! Ed Dobson, who has owned two Kolb Firestars, was there to meet us. I had called Dobsie from Blythe to let him know we were on our way - he thought I had said Buckeye and had gone to the airport to wait! A long, long wait. So we'll be bunking with Dobsie while we wait out this cold front. We'll be keeping you updated - Arty www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Check out some boring video
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 04, 2007
The video was great, keep on filming, nothing boring about watching a Kolb fly ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110795#110795 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: #3 Update 2007 Ultralight Flight to MV via Texas
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 04, 2007
Hi Arty, Roger Lee in Tucson, just south of you. Winds are supposed to be bad here Friday and Saturday. Some wind Sunday up to 12-13mph, but in the afternoon. If you want call me and I'll fly up to Casa Grande Sunday morning or if you are leaving tell me a time and route and I'll fly up and along with you for bit. Tell me what frequncy you will be on and I can get a location in the air. Roger Lee Tucson, Az 520-574-1080 home number for Saturday 520-791-5286 work number for Friday -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110800#110800 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GPS failure
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 04, 2007
mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote: > > > It was tubulence!! A GPS's antenna cannot "hone" in on the required > satelites if it is being shaken all over the place. > > Mike Welch > > Mike, You very clearly and falsely said that a GPS antenna cannot work in turbulance. You at no time in your post said that it was due to your "old" or "substandard" installation. I think you probably understand 5th grade english. Be a man and admit that you posted bad and false information instead of pouting like a baby about how I called you on it. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110805#110805 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Where are Larry and Arty?
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: May 04, 2007
The test continues. I have to make a new post so it will come up on the forum as something new. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110814#110814 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_3_2007_199.gif ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: May 04, 2007
It's real easy to give a simple "No". What is your reference for that answer? -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110853#110853 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: May 04, 2007
Subject: Re: GPS failure
In a message dated 5/4/2007 7:08:10 AM Central Standard Time, thomriddle(at)adelphia.net writes: > More importantly, I liked your greeting to Jet Pilot, "I could not agree > with you less". It is very apropos considering Jet Pilot's typical greeting > "You could not be more wrong". Politeness has not gone out of style, has it? > Being rude while making a point does not help your case. > > Thom in Buffalo Thanks Thom, I couldn't have said it more right my self ! Ed in Houston


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See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Where are Larry and Arty
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: May 04, 2007
Karen, Larry and Arty are traveling from Casa Grande to Texas by Subaru. They decided that time would be better spent visiting with friends and family, than sitting in a hotel room waiting out the weather. They will return to their planes in time to lauch for MV. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110912#110912 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH
From: "Thom Riddle" <thomriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Date: May 05, 2007
dhkey, Since a CFI must fly with the pilot taking the BFR he has the right (not obligation) to inspect the required aircraft paperwork. The old ARrOW acronym is an easy way to remember what paperwork is required to be legal. A - Airworthiness certificate R- Registration r - Radio station license (no longer required) O - Operator's manual (POH) for type certificated aircraft -----or----- Operating limitations for experimental and LSAs W - Weight and balance data John W - You tend to be the best informed on regulations, please correct me if I am wrong on this. Thom in Buffalo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110954#110954 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH
Date: May 05, 2007
Yea, it's the "O" I was having problems with. I think I'll just do it in a 172 or a 182 and keep it simple for everyone. I still need to address the "O". >From: "Thom Riddle" <thomriddle(at)adelphia.net> >Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Kolb-List: Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH >Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 04:10:39 -0700 > > >dhkey, > >Since a CFI must fly with the pilot taking the BFR he has the right (not >obligation) to inspect the required aircraft paperwork. The old ARrOW >acronym is an easy way to remember what paperwork is required to be legal. > >A - Airworthiness certificate >R- Registration >r - Radio station license (no longer required) >O - Operator's manual (POH) for type certificated aircraft >-----or----- Operating limitations for experimental and LSAs >W - Weight and balance data > >John W - You tend to be the best informed on regulations, please correct me >if I am wrong on this. > >Thom in Buffalo > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110954#110954 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 05, 2007
Subject: Re: #3 Update 2007 Ultralight Flight to MV via Texas
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Hi all, I am sure that Arty will up date you more on our trip, but I thought that I would comment at least. The weather here in the west has been a bit unsettled to say the least. Flying hasn't been a problem, landing has been pretty interesting some times however. ;-) When we did the weather breifing for our intended flight to El Paso, it quickly became apparent that we should actually wait for a couple of days for the weather to stabilize. The primary problem was the reduced ground speed, as well as the amount of fuel used, and the possible problems of getting out of San Antonio to make MV. Arty's primary goal was the flight to Texas, mine was to visit a brother that had moved to the San Antonio area. I asked her to give up the Texas portion of the flight so that I could spend some time with my brother. She graciously agreed if we could fly on to Las Cruces and then on to MV. If we had waited for the weather to clear, my visit would have been a couple of days at the best. So we tied our birds down at Casa Grande, and departed for San Antonio at about 1230 driving straight through to arrive at my brother's house at 0625 this morning. 17 hours and somewhere around 900 miles. The planes have been just fantastic, No problems at all, other that Arty's radio cord problems. (solved)For some reason my EIS values changed on my fuel tanks. This caused me to run out of gas on the first leg of our trip. It was a bit tense until I could decide that it had to be a fuel problem as all my egt's and cht's were within range. The restart was no problem, just need to return the throttle to idle and pull the enrichner circuit. I was quite relieved to confirm that there was nothing wrong with the motor. I had a good place to land, but who needs to do that more than necessary. My EIS has been a bit weird of late. I get a warning light and the screen that shows up is the one for the screen contrast. Doesn't make sense at all. All the other values are within range. I haven't been able to contact the gal at EIS to see what she can tell me. I did want to spend some time flying the dry river beds in Arizona, I found afterward (Arty's radio out) that she was coming down to join me. I was feeling guilty about screwing off like that and found that she was disappointed that I pulled out of it. Larry, Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 05, 2007
From: Jon LaVasseur <firestar503(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Monument Valley
Hi Kolbers, Looks like my plan to be a MV is working. I will be trailering my Firestar from Minnesota. Never met you guys or been to the valley, looking forward to both. If someone is still keeping a list of names please add mine to the list. Jon LaVasseur firestar503(at)yahoo.com Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 05, 2007
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Fly-in to Homer's
Gentlemen, Just a reminder to mark your calendars for June 16th. to fly to Homer Kolb's farm for a homecoming get together. If you haven't been there before, I know you will enjoy the hospitality and get a chance to see Clara and Homer's beautiful farm where our aircraft where conceived and manufactured. Also hanging in the barn are Homer's earliest creations that got all this started. That is the Sat. of Fathers Day weekend. There is an ultralight fly-in at Footlight Ranch in York County, PA also known as Shreveport North, near Dillsburg that weekend for three days. Some of us will be going and camping there Sat. night after the get together at Homer's. A real good chance to meet many other ultralight pilots and share information. Hope to see you there. Will be giving out more information as we get closer to the date, Terry - FireFly #95 Those that said they are coming so far: Add your name if it's not listed. Gene Zimmerman John Hauck Wilmer Zimmerman John Murr Earl Zimmerman Eddy Zimmerman Luray Weachter Steve Green Ron - from Arizona? Thom Riddle Bob Bean Chuck ? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Key" <dhkey(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH
Date: May 05, 2007
Is it enough to mark the operating limitations on the instruments or do I need a piece of paper with them on it? Are there some operating limitations that can't be marked on the instruments? >How did you get an special/experimental airworthiness certificate without >Operating Limitations? I've never heard of one being issued without this. >Did the inspector drop the ball? If you do have the Op Limits, ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Subject: Fly-in to Homer's
Date: May 05, 2007
Terry: I plan to be there. George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Fly-in to Homer's Gentlemen, Just a reminder to mark your calendars for June 16th. to fly to Homer Kolb's farm for a homecoming get together. If you haven't been there before, I know you will enjoy the hospitality and get a chance to see Clara and Homer's beautiful farm where our aircraft where conceived and manufactured. Also hanging in the barn are Homer's earliest creations that got all this started. That is the Sat. of Fathers Day weekend. There is an ultralight fly-in at Footlight Ranch in York County, PA also known as Shreveport North, near Dillsburg that weekend for three days. Some of us will be going and camping there Sat. night after the get together at Homer's. A real good chance to meet many other ultralight pilots and share information. Hope to see you there. Will be giving out more information as we get closer to the date, Terry - FireFly #95 Those that said they are coming so far: Add your name if it's not listed. Gene Zimmerman John Hauck Wilmer Zimmerman John Murr Earl Zimmerman Eddy Zimmerman Luray Weachter Steve Green Ron - from Arizona? Thom Riddle Bob Bean Chuck ? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2007
Date: May 06, 2007
Cheerio everybody, Off to MV in a few hours and facing 11 hours stuck in a seat. I hadn`t really thought about the length of the flight, being senile, or I would have started earlier and stopped off somewhere close to the East Coast for a few days and made it in two hops. Booked into Goldings for 19 and 20 so see you then. Signing off for the duration. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BiAnnual Flight Review - POH
From: "Thom Riddle" <thomriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Date: May 06, 2007
dhkey, Operating limitations are typically a lot of words. The ones on our Allegro, for example, are two pages long. So you will see what I'm talking about, I'm attaching a copy of ours. Note that the first loaded last and vice versa. Although these are specific for each airplane, the verbiage is much the same but not identical on many of them. So in answer to your question about putting them on the instrument panel, in a word, no. They won't typically fit and the FEDs are going to be looking for a "document" if you get ramp checked. Non-conformance to their expectations is an invitation for citation since they are not known, as a species, to be creative or individuralistic thinkers. Thom in Buffalo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111125#111125 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/op_lim_2_113.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/op_lim_1_163.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <thomriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Firefly Landing speed
Date: May 06, 2007
Jim, Don't mistake minimum reading on VSI for best glide angle speed. Minimum reading on the VSI gives you the minimum sink speed which is typically a lot slower than best glide angle speed. On light aircraft, absent any better empirical data from actual testing, you can get pretty close to the best glide angle speed by finding the speed that is approximately 38% between the stall speed (Vs1) and max continuous cruise speed (Vh). For example, if your Kolb stalls at 35 mph and its Vh is 85 mph a good guess at best glide speed will be about 54 mph, derived as follows. Vh 85 - Vs1 35 ---------- 50 x .38 ---------- = 19 + Vs1 35 ---------- = 54 Vbg approximately Thom in Buffalo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: michigan kolb pilots
Date: May 06, 2007
I took Malcolm up on his offer and he was true to his word; he bought my breakfast. This shindig was sponsored by his local EAA chapter and they did a wonderful job. Very well organized, great food, and nothing but smiling friendly faces. Thanks, Malcolm! -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / N722KM Rochester MI ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:05 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: michigan kolb pilots midland Barstow mb3 is having a pancake breakfast and I will buy breakfast for any kolb pilot that fly's in. yes I will , just ask for Malcolm when you get there ,,malcolm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 06, 2007
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: #4 Update Ultralight Flight Oregon to MV
Hello all - In Update #3, I wrote that we were going to stay with friends in Casa Grande until the winds died down - perhaps a couple of days. Larry very much wanted to visit his brother there, and he wasn't happy about the idea of having less timewith him. Plus, Norm was driving to San Antonio to meet up with me and spend a few days - he'd get there a day or two before we would, if we waited in Casa Grande. So we agreed to leave our ultralights in Casa Grande and drive to San Antonio, have a week-long visit there, then resume our flight. Before we left Casa Grande, we checked out my radio again. Neither Larry or I liked the idea of flying any further without communication. We found that during the flying turbulence on Tuesday, when my radio had bounced off it's velcro backing, the tip of the transmission cable had gotten snapped off. Amazingly, Dobsie had exactly the same type of cable, and will let me use it for the duration of the flight! So - Picture 3 adults, 3 dogs, and a Subaru Station wagon full of gear. Picture 17 hours of driving, stopping only for fuel and once for Subway sandwiches, which we ordered and then ate as we drove. Picture me driving from 1:30 - 3:30 a.m. when Larry got tired. (During daylight hours, although Larry drove the bulk of the way, Karen and I took occasional turns. But Karen has night blindness and can't drive at night.) And I'm a farm girl - a "go to sleep at 9:00 p.m." type of gal. I couldn't believe that I was awake at 1:30 a.m. - much less driving! We got into Springbranch, TX (north of San Antonio) at 6:30 a.m. Larry's brother and sister-in law showed me to a bedroom, where I sacked out for a couple of hours until it was a decnt hour to call my friends in Burnet, TX(80 miles away) that I was here. I went back to sleep until they came. Now it's Sunday morning and I'm in Burnet, waiting for Norm to arrive. I'll be going back to Springbranch on Friday evening, and Larry, Karen and I will begin the drive back to Casa Grande on Saturday morning. We agreed that this time we'll take 2 days to do the drive - stop Sat. night at a motel. We'll refuel and get our ultralights ready Sunday once we get to Casa Grande and then fly out early Monday morning. Weather permitting, of course!! Since there's no computers in Monument Valley, and no flying tales to regale you with until then, you may not hear from me again until we get back home! Arty www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Insurance
Date: May 06, 2007
Is there anyone out there that has liability insurance on their N numbered Kolb? Who is it with and how much? I have a strip that a few of us want to fly at in Florida. It is perfect for Kolb but they require N numbers and $500,000 in liagility insurance. I have been looking for insurance and have been flabergasted with the high prices I have been quoted. I talked to two differet people from the EAAs sponsered insurance group. The first one at the Sebring Expo said that most companies think of Kolbs as ultralights and really don't want to deal with them. If he could get it it would be around $800.00 per year. At Sun N Fun I talked to another guy and he was more positive but again quoted around $800.00. Then as we talked more he asked who did my engine installation. He said anything other than a professional install of a firewall forward could only be handled by maybe one company and it would be more expensive. He also said for that type of aircraft the strip length would have to be al least 1800 ft long. They really don't know these aircraft. I also talked to someone at the Avemco booth at Sun N Fun. She got in to the details of the quote but was perplexed because she had no info on the Avemco data base on any Kolb. I think she really didn't want to insure me so she gave me a quote of $1,320.00 for just $500,000 liability insurance. I also checked the arcives and could find any insurance info since 1997. Does anyone have anything more curannt. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Insurance
Date: May 06, 2007
| Is there anyone out there that has liability insurance on their N numbered | Kolb? Who is it with and how much? | Rick Neilsen Rick: I am insured through the Falcon Agency, affiliated with EAA. For the past two years I have been insured for 30,000.00 hull coverage and 1,000,000.00 liability to include passengers. There is no deductible. $1,500.00 annually. This insurance is also good for the US, to include all of Alaska, to Point Barrow, and Canada, to include Tucktoyaktuk, Northwest Territories. Better coverage and cheaper than AVEMCO, who, BTW, encouraged me to drop my coverage with them because of their super increase of premiums. AVEMCO also charged me, in addition to the normal premium, 1,250.00 to cover me anywhere above the Arctic Circle. An expensive pain in the butt. I was never asked who installed my engine or who built my airplane. They are primarily interested in hours and experience in type and model aircraft. The more the merrier, plus other aviation experience thrown in for good luck. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Insurance
Date: May 06, 2007
Falcon insurance through EAA. $600 for $1M liability. No hull coverage. I thought it was kinda steep, but maybe not. Steven Bags packed Windows waxed Mount modified for new GPS Awaiting departute date ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 06, 2007
Subject: Re: Insurance
In a message dated 5/6/2007 12:07:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net writes: Is there anyone out there that has liability insurance on their N numbered Kolb? Who is it with and how much? Rick, I recently received an update about insurance available thru the USUA (United States Ultralight Association). They have increased the weight limit to 1150 lbs @ $427. You have to be a member in order to purchase from them. See all the details at their web site. _www.usua.org/Insurance_ (http://www.usua.org/Insurance) Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 06, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: radios / helmet interface
Can't seem to find this info online (in the list archives or elsewhere)... I just got an Icom A24 radio (yup, went for the one with VOR after all). I also have a Comtronics helmet that I won in a raffle a couple of years ago. Anyway: The Icom comes with a headset adapter, which has 3 plugs (one for earphones, one for mike, and one for PTT, standard GA I guess). The Comtronics has a single 3 conductor plug. Now, it's a trivial matter to make a patch cable to connect them together, or Comtronics sells an interface cable with PTT for $99, which is ridiculous if it's just a couple of plugs, a switch, and some wire. If there's an amplifier or some such as well to interface the Comtronics mike with the Icom radio it makes more sense to pay the price. Comtronics was vague when I asked a similar question some time ago, possibly because they'd rather sell the $99 cable... Anybody know? -Dana -- -- Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 06, 2007
Subject: Re: radios / helmet interface
In a message dated 5/6/2007 9:07:20 PM Central Standard Time, d-m-hague(at)comcast.net writes: > Comtronics was vague when I asked a similar > question some time ago, possibly because they'd rather sell the $99 cable... > > Anybody know? > > -Dana > Dana, I just purchased the interface cable from I-com for my IC-A5. There does not seem to be any amp involved, But it plugs straight into my radio without the I-com adapter. Hope this helps. Ed Diebel FF62


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See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 07, 2007
Terry, Add me to the list. I am planning on going to Homer's as well. Of course it all depends on the weather. Homer's place was great the last time and the Shreveport's flyin is also fantastic. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111316#111316 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: battery for kolbs....
Date: May 07, 2007
To all Fyi.. A while back I needed a new battery for my MkIIIc.. I found a jumpstart at harbor freight that had a sealed lead acid battery 17 AH for cheaper than I could buy a battery alone.... the jump start I found was on sale for around 37 dollars.... an equivalent battery at Arizona battery runs around 40 dollars plus freight.... the jump start included a battery charger, light, volt meter, jumper cables ends, and high current switch. To turn what is turning into a long story short. I called harbor freight parts line and asked for the price of a replacement battery for the jump start.... the response was $18.00 plus tax and 4.95 freight. So I ordered 2,,, one for the kolb and the other for the jump start. The freight stayed the same, and the total invoice came to $43.33 for 2, 17 AH batteries,,, the down side is it took round bout 4-5 months for them to show up... but if you know in advance you are going to need a battery it is the cheapest I have been able to find. I have ordered from Arizona battery before and there turn around time is bout 2 days. They were the next best price I had found. Ask harbor freight for the replacement battery for jump start. (item Number 08884) Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 07, 2007
Subject: [ Dave Kulp ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Dave Kulp Lists: Kolb-List Subject: Off Field Landings Thread http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/undoctor@rcn.com.05.07.2007/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 07, 2007
Subject: [ Jim VanGarsse ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Jim VanGarsse Lists: Kolb-List Subject: Ron's Old Girl http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Jim815544@aol.com.05.07.2007/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: battery for kolbs....
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 07, 2007
There are different qualities of batteries for the Kolb. I would not go with the cheapest I could find. I am using a 20 AH battery that costs just under 100 bucks. It should work well and last a long time. Some of the very cheap batteries really dont meet thier advertised specs when new, and degrade very rapidly with time. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111494#111494 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's
Date: May 07, 2007
Man am I bumming, there is no way I am going to make it this year, probably not even going to be flying my bird by than. Just to many irons in the fire. :-p You guys have a great time. Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fly-in to Homer's > > Terry, Add me to the list. I am planning on going to Homer's as well. > Of course it all depends on the weather. Homer's place was great the last > time and the Shreveport's flyin is also fantastic. > > -------- > Scott Olendorf > Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop > Schenectady, NY > http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111316#111316 > > > -- > 9:01 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 08, 2007
Denny, You have to be able to find 2 days. You should just sell that plane to me. Or better yet, let me fly it for a couple of years until you can find the time. [Laughing] -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111564#111564 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Kulp" <undoctor(at)rcn.com>
Subject: Re: [ Dave Kulp ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
Date: May 08, 2007
Holy stale gigabytes, I sent this months ago!! Must have gotten lost in cyberspace! Failing to be able to get this posted is why I did the journal, now it shows up. The article by B. J. Phillips is more readable here than at the rcn journal site which is a plus; she wrote a very tasteful article. The National Enquirer called me shortly after it happened but I declined their offer. Who knows how they would have treated it or who I'd be "sharing" the page with!! I did get a free pair of Rockport shoes from the deal. They were running a contest 50 words or less what you experienced while wearing Rockports. Well, I was wearing Rockports (and a cut up the shoe continuing onto my ankle was the only external injury except for two almost bruises on my forehead and temple from the action inside my BMW helmet) so my entry earned me a free pair. I also want to stress again the danger from cut threads in the end of the adjustment rod on non-aircraft cables. My home in Lansdale was a few miles from the Teleflex plant where the marine push-pull cables were manufactured (they had another over near where Homer lives) and an engineer came to check out the wreckage. He explained to me that the cables fractured from the thread roots, which are cut - machined - rather than rolled with a rounded root (if it's still called a root) and that the one cable had been fractured halfway through previously, as evidenced by the polishing of the grain of the metal halfway through the cross section. I doubt if would be possible to see a crack in a threaded rod, so I personally wouldn't trust them in any application on an aircraft again. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FLYMICHIGAN(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's
Date: May 08, 2007
I just came across a this listing at airporthomes.com. Is this Homer's place? JUST LISTED 54 Acres. > L:15 Spring Hollow Rd & RT 724 > Beautiful Rolling Hills & 3 Acre Pond > Land with Airport. > $3,200,000 > Seller will NOT accept Sub-Division or Development Contingencies. > Possible Seller Financing > MLS # 4612279 > > Beautiful Chester County Farm Land Ideal Property for Air Park Development, or Equestrian Estate with a Home over looking a 3+ Acre Pond & Dock (Diving Board Included). 3800 foot turf Licensed Private Landing Strip with clear approach from both directions. Seller previously kept a Cessna 310 Twin Engine Airplane (Remember Sky King?) at property.. Possible Seller Financing! The Phoenixville area and Phoenixville itself is high growth area. And Like the mythological bird the Phoenix, Phoenixville is rising from the ashes of Phoenix Steel. In the center of Phoenixville (The previous site of Phoenix Steel) is being revitalized with new Residential, Commercial, Restaurants, and a planed new train service to Philadelphia. Seller will NOT accep t Sub-Division or Development Contingencies. From Phoenixville - Rt 113 - Rt23 West - Right on Rt 724 - Right on Spring Hollow Rd. - Property on Left - Corner of Rt. 724 & Spring Hollow Rd. Bryan Dever ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N27SB(at)aol.com
Date: May 08, 2007
Subject: Re: Re. Battery for Kolb
Boyd, I like the idea of using pre packaged items that can be broken down for their sub components. Great idea thanks Steve B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: battery for kolbs....
Date: May 08, 2007
Hi Boyd, Despite the naysayers, many economy batteries are just as good as their more expensive counterparts with similar design (size, plate count, etc). As for Recombinant Gas (RCG), they seem to be the wave of the future. Store current longer, more forgiving of misuse and temperature variations, etc. They are generally much more expensive, though Ed in JXN MkII/503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Kolb-List: battery for kolbs.... > > To all > > Fyi.. > > A while back I needed a new battery for my MkIIIc.. I found a jumpstart > at harbor freight that had a sealed lead acid battery 17 AH for cheaper > than I could buy a battery alone. (Snip) > Ask harbor freight for the replacement battery for jump start. > (item Number 08884) > > > Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ms Dixie update
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: May 08, 2007
Kolbers, For those of you who are following my work on N408CP/Kolbra012 I delete photos on the MSN site daily to make room for more..thus this changes the links in previous post...SO if your keeping track and use the MSN site I use bookmark this link... http://groups.msn.com/AerialWorld/kolbra012.msnw?Page=1 Then use the "page" button to go to the last page. Sorry for the confusion but this is the fastest way to upload photos for me. Regards -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111687#111687 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ms Dixie update
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 08, 2007
Hell yes, we are following your work. I was looking at your nice new smoked canopy when it dawned on me that you don't seem to have any air vents or windows to open if you need a little fresh air. I think you are going to bake. What do you think? Is there an air vent I didn't see like maybe a naca vent under the nose cone? -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111725#111725 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <thomriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: battery for kolbs....battery for kolbs....
Date: May 09, 2007
Boyd, Is this the jump start at Harbor Freight you are talking about? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91045 Or perhaps this one? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38391 Thom in Buffalo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Kulp" <undoctor(at)rcn.com>
Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's
Date: May 09, 2007
Bryan, it's not far away, but it's not Homer's place. He lives on Wall St., which roughly parallels Rt. 724 and runs from Spring City to Phoenixville between 724 and the Schuylkill River. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: battery for kolbs....
Date: May 09, 2007
Hi Boyd, Despite the naysayers, many economy batteries are just as good as their more expensive counterparts with similar design (size, plate count, etc). with 3 years and counting on the first,,,,, at $18.00 a pop.... = not bad service. Like I said,,,, only down side... long delivery time. Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: Re: battery for kolbs....battery for kolbs....
Date: May 09, 2007
Boyd, Is this the jump start at Harbor Freight you are talking about? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91045 Or perhaps this one? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=38391 Thom in Buffalo >>>>>>>>>> Thom.... the second link shows the jump start with the 17AH battery.... that would be the correct battery to comply with the requirements for the 912.... but the jump start is a bit different than the one I have.... the overall appearance of the case is the same. the first link only has a 12 AH battery. If I remember correctly John H. said that he was using the 12AH battery with the new style starter on his 912s.. I bought my jump starts over 3 years ago when they had a good sale going.... I think what had happened they had got a new supply in and wanted to get rid of the old stock..... when they ran out of the old stock,,, they substituted it with the new stock... I probably forgot to mention.... the jump start also included a very small air compressor.... along with the battery charger (110V that turns itself off when charged) the first link shows the 110 v power cord for the charger, the second link does not show the charging power cord...volt meter, light, 12 v cigarette lighter adapter, 12 v charging port, short battery cables with clamps, high current disconnect switch. Because it was cheaper than a battery alone.... I bought 2,, robbed the battery from one for the plane.... and continue to use one in my business.... If you want to order the battery only order the replacement battery for the second link. Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: battery for kolbs....battery for kolbs....
From: "Thom Riddle" <thomriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Date: May 09, 2007
Boyd, Thanks for the very helpful info. There is a Harbor Freight store close by so I'm going to see what that have in the store here. I don't even need a battery now but ours is about 3 1/2 years old and behaving itself well but I try to keep good suppliers in mind. Thom in Buffalo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111823#111823 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: pictures from a kolb
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: May 09, 2007
Great flying today before the storms return tonight! -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111930#111930 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0688_596.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flycrazy8(at)aol.com
Date: May 09, 2007
Subject: Re: Seaplane Base Hanger
Well It doesn't look like much yet but this is the future home of FF007. Steve Hey Steve Instead of concrete just fill that hole with water and your plane will be set. . . Looks like you got plenty of help so I don't need to offer my help....(darn)....:-)) LQQKing Good tho ........ :-)) Stephen Firefly 2003/035 Alabama ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: doors
At 06:26 PM 5/9/2007, you wrote: >The bottom half will be skinned aluminum and the >top with >my leftover 1/8" GE MR10 scratch resistant lexan. >Where are you getting the scratch resistant lexan? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: 582 water temps
Date: May 09, 2007
Hi all, have a quick Q. I was Setting prop pitch today on my newly Overhauled 582 ( I`ve never run one before) & got the RPMs set at 6350, EGT & CHT are running right where I want them, but the water temp guage was about to reach 200 degrees.( EIS) Keep in mind this was a static run, & outside temps were about 83 degrees. Should I expect temps to be within limits once airborne on a similar day because of much increased airflow through the standard radiators? Or should I be concerned about the static temps? Thanks, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 582 water temps
Date: May 09, 2007
Jim, You should expect temp to come down once airborne. Gene On May 9, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Jim Kmet wrote: > Hi all, have a quick Q. > I was Setting prop pitch today on my newly Overhauled 582 ( I`ve > never run one before) & got the RPMs set at 6350, EGT & CHT are > running right where I want them, but the water temp guage was about > to reach 200 degrees.( EIS) Keep in mind this was a static run, & > outside temps were about 83 degrees. Should I expect temps to be > within limits once airborne on a similar day because of much > increased airflow through the standard radiators? Or should I be > concerned about the static temps? > Thanks, Jim > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: pictures from a kolb
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 09, 2007
Beautiful night here as well. I went up to 10,509 feet tonight. That's from taking off at 240 feet. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111962#111962 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg1338_large_770.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: pictures from a kolb
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 09, 2007
Beautiful night here as well. I went up to 10,509 feet tonight. That's from taking off at 240 feet. That beats my record by 2000 feet. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111963#111963 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg1328_large_133.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg1338_large_161.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 582 water temps
Jim, Since I just did an annual on a Cosmos trike that didn't, you do have the head vented properly, don't you? Rick On 5/9/07, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > > > Jim, > > You should expect temp to come down once airborne. > > Gene > > > On May 9, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Jim Kmet wrote: > > > Hi all, have a quick Q. > > I was Setting prop pitch today on my newly Overhauled 582 ( I`ve > > never run one before) & got the RPMs set at 6350, EGT & CHT are > > running right where I want them, but the water temp guage was about > > to reach 200 degrees.( EIS) Keep in mind this was a static run, & > > outside temps were about 83 degrees. Should I expect temps to be > > within limits once airborne on a similar day because of much > > increased airflow through the standard radiators? Or should I be > > concerned about the static temps? > > Thanks, Jim > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- > > ============================================================ _- > > forums.matronics.com_- > > =========================================================== > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: 582 water temps
Date: May 09, 2007
I Think so, its set up just like the blow-up pic in the airwolf cataloge, & just the way it was when I got it, 200 Plus hours on a MK-3. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 water temps Jim, Since I just did an annual on a Cosmos trike that didn't, you do have the head vented properly, don't you? Rick On 5/9/07, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: etzim62(at)earthlink.net> Jim, You should expect temp to come down once airborne. Gene On May 9, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Jim Kmet wrote: > Hi all, have a quick Q. > I was Setting prop pitch today on my newly Overhauled 582 ( I`ve > never run one before) & got the RPMs set at 6350, EGT & CHT are > running right where I want them, but the water temp guage was about > to reach 200 degrees.( EIS) Keep in mind this was a static run, & > outside temps were about 83 degrees. Should I expect temps to be > within limits once airborne on a similar day because of much > increased airflow through the standard radiators? Or should I be > concerned about the static temps? > Thanks, Jim -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Kulp" <undoctor(at)rcn.com>
Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's
Date: May 10, 2007
I replied that the property for sale below was near Homer's but not his place. Seems I was in error. Check the thread below. From: FLYMICHIGAN(at)comcast.net Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's I just came across a this listing at airporthomes.com. Is this Homer's place? JUST LISTED 54 Acres. > L:15 Spring Hollow Rd & RT 724 > Beautiful Rolling Hills & 3 Acre Pond > Land with Airport. > $3,200,000 > Seller will NOT accept Sub-Division or Development Contingencies. > Possible Seller Financing > MLS # 4612279 > > Beautiful Chester County Farm Land Ideal Property for Air Park Development, or Equestrian Estate with a Home over looking a 3+ Acre Pond & Dock (Diving Board Included). 3800 foot turf Licensed Private Landing Strip with clear approach from both directions. Seller previously kept a Cessna 310 Twin Engine Airplane (Remember Sky King?) at property.. Possible Seller Financing! The Phoenixville area and Phoenixville itself is high growth area. And Like the mythological bird the Phoenix, Phoenixville is rising from the ashes of Phoenix Steel. In the center of Phoenixville (The previous site of Phoenix Steel) is being revitalized with new Residential, Commercial, Restaurants, and a planed new train service to Philadelphia. Seller will NOT accep t Sub-Division or Development Contingencies. From Phoenixville - Rt 113 - Rt23 West - Right on Rt 724 - Right on Spring Hollow Rd. - Property on Left - Corner of Rt. 724 & Spring Hollow Rd. Bryan Dever >From Gene Zimmerman: David, It looks to me like it is Homer's place. Kolb Airport 43PA, PA By golly Gene, I believe you're right. I wasn't aware he owned all the way to 724. If you go to the Google maps link below you can see his drive coming south off of Wall St. with the lake to the east of the house. Since Wall St. is a narrow country road I suppose they market it from 724 since that's a major thorofare. I've only ever driven to his house; if I'd have flown in I would have realized it. Well, if two or three of us come up with 3 mil we can have one gorgeous property! Dave http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=spring+hollow+rd+rt+724&ie=UTF8 &near=Spring+City,+PA&f=l&ll=40.155983,-75.541735&spn=0.01745,0.0 29182&t=h&z=15&om=1 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 582 water temps
The vent on my 582 runs from the mag side vent to a tee in the vent line between the upper tanks of the radiators. It's a small thing to miss. The trike I annualed had been used in three WSC Repairman Inspector classes and no one had written it up as a defect. The trike is a 1997 or 98 vintage and there is no evidence that the head vent was ever put in. Rotax says the vent is a must do for the engine to cool properly. Go figure. Rick On 5/9/07, Jim Kmet wrote: > > I Think so, its set up just like the blow-up pic in the airwolf cataloge, > & just the way it was when I got it, 200 Plus hours on a MK-3. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Richard Girard > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: 582 water temps > > Jim, Since I just did an annual on a Cosmos trike that didn't, you do have > the head vented properly, don't you? > > Rick > > On 5/9/07, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > > > > etzim62(at)earthlink.net> > > > > Jim, > > > > You should expect temp to come down once airborne. > > > > Gene > > > > > > On May 9, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Jim Kmet wrote: > > > > > Hi all, have a quick Q. > > > I was Setting prop pitch today on my newly Overhauled 582 ( I`ve > > > never run one before) & got the RPMs set at 6350, EGT & CHT are > > > running right where I want them, but the water temp guage was about > > > to reach 200 degrees.( EIS) Keep in mind this was a static run, & > > > outside temps were about 83 degrees. Should I expect temps to be > > > within limits once airborne on a similar day because of much > > > increased airflow through the standard radiators? Or should I be > > > concerned about the static temps? > > > Thanks, Jim > > > http://www.matron > > > > > > > > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_-> > > > -- > Rick Girard > "Ya'll drop on in" > takes on a whole new meaning > when you live at the airport. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net>
Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's
Date: May 10, 2007
Actually it belongs to someone else. The properties are adjoining and it has its own pond too; half the airstrip is on Homer's property and half is on the one that is for sale. Dennis _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Kulp Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 12:16 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fly-in to Homer's I replied that the property for sale below was near Homer's but not his place. Seems I was in error. Check the thread below. From: FLYMICHIGAN(at)comcast.net Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's I just came across a this listing at airporthomes.com. Is this Homer's place? JUST LISTED 54 Acres. > L:15 Spring Hollow Rd & RT 724 > Beautiful Rolling Hills & 3 Acre Pond > Land with Airport. > $3,200,000 > Seller will NOT accept Sub-Division or Development Contingencies. > Possible Seller Financing > MLS # 4612279 > > Beautiful Chester County Farm Land Ideal Property for Air Park Development, or Equestrian Estate with a Home over looking a 3+ Acre Pond & Dock (Diving Board Included). 3800 foot turf Licensed Private Landing Strip with clear approach from both directions. Seller previously kept a Cessna 310 Twin Engine Airplane (Remember Sky King?) at property.. Possible Seller Financing! The Phoenixville area and Phoenixville itself is high growth area. And Like the mythological bird the Phoenix, Phoenixville is rising from the ashes of Phoenix Steel. In the center of Phoenixville (The previous site of Phoenix Steel) is being revitalized with new Residential, Commercial, Restaurants, and a planed new train service to Philadelphia. Seller will NOT accep t Sub-Division or Development Contingencies. From Phoenixville - Rt 113 - Rt23 West - Right on Rt 724 - Right on Spring Hollow Rd. - Property on Left - Corner of Rt. 724 & Spring Hollow Rd. Bryan Dever >From Gene Zimmerman: David, It looks to me like it is Homer's place. Kolb Airport 43PA, PA By golly Gene, I believe you're right. I wasn't aware he owned all the way to 724. If you go to the Google maps link below you can see his drive coming south off of Wall St. with the lake to the east of the house. Since Wall St. is a narrow country road I suppose they market it from 724 since that's a major thorofare. I've only ever driven to his house; if I'd have flown in I would have realized it. Well, if two or three of us come up with 3 mil we can have one gorgeous property! Dave http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=spring+hollow+rd+rt+724&ie=UTF8&near=Spr ing+City,+PA&f=l&ll=40.155983,-75.541735&spn=0.01745,0.029182&t=h&z=15&om=1 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Griffin" <airgriff(at)surferz.net>
Subject: Re: 582 water temps
Date: May 10, 2007
Hi Jim, Rotax also recommends to run a water hose over the radiator during static run ups on hot days, if needed to control temps. Be carefull not to spray too much water through the prop and to secure the hose well. Fly Safe Bob Griffin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Prep For MV 2007 Flight
Date: May 10, 2007
Morning Gang: Trying to get all the loose ends tied up in prep for departure next Tuesday morning, 15 May. Travis Brown has been working overtime to get me some needed parts for the mkIII. We had a heck of a time getting the extra large oil cooler. He contacted everybody in the US who might have one. I am pleased to say the UPS man dropped it off yesterday afternoon. Will try to get it installed today. Over the years, I have used the small Rotax oil cooler for the 912UL, the medium for the last 912ULS, but decided to go with the extra large Rotax oil cooler for the new 912ULS. The reason for the upgrade to a larger cooler is high temps. There were times, expecially in the dessert, I was flying with oil temps pushing the red line. Once in Death Valley I had to back off power to bring the engine oil temps back into the green. This new extra large cooler should take care of high engine oil temps and make my cross country flight out West a bit more comfortable. I piggy back the oil cooler on the radiator. Increasing the size of the oil cooler will cover a little more radiator. Should help bring up CHT and lower eng oil temps. The 912 series engines, I have discovered, like to run with nice warm CHT, especially in the winter months when the temps get down into the 40s and 50s F. Got to play with my drag strut universal joints. I did not mark them before pulling the wings. Must have gotten them back on 180 deg out of rigging. Back to a slight roll to the right, which I had gotten rid of many years ago. If that will not do it, I will put the bungie cord back on the stick for forced roll trim. That system is simple and works great. Need to do the first oil change at the same time I change out the oil cooler. I think I have about 18 hours on the new engine. Normal first oil change is 25 hours, but won't hurt a thing to change it out a little early. Might even be good for it. ;-) Got my Garmin 196 GPS Jeppesen and Obstacle Clearance data bases updated and ready to fly. Better get busy. Got stuff to do. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: 582 water temps
Date: May 10, 2007
Makes perfect sense, I just wondered if the high temps that I saw during static run-up were typical, sounds like they are. Thanks, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Griffin To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 6:16 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 water temps Hi Jim, Rotax also recommends to run a water hose over the radiator during static run ups on hot days, if needed to control temps. Be carefull not to spray too much water through the prop and to secure the hose well. Fly Safe Bob Griffin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: 582 water temps
Date: May 10, 2007
There is a vent on the forward side of the engine top,, just forward of the front 2 spark plugs, & a vent plug just forward of the 2 rear spark plugs. Rotax sez to use the higher of the 2 vents . This hose routes to a T that return to both sides of the radiator. I assume thats the vent you`re reffering to? :) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:04 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 water temps The vent on my 582 runs from the mag side vent to a tee in the vent line between the upper tanks of the radiators. It's a small thing to miss. The trike I annualed had been used in three WSC Repairman Inspector classes and no one had written it up as a defect. The trike is a 1997 or 98 vintage and there is no evidence that the head vent was ever put in. Rotax says the vent is a must do for the engine to cool properly. Go figure. Rick On 5/9/07, Jim Kmet wrote: I Think so, its set up just like the blow-up pic in the airwolf cataloge, & just the way it was when I got it, 200 Plus hours on a MK-3. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 water temps Jim, Since I just did an annual on a Cosmos trike that didn't, you do have the head vented properly, don't you? Rick On 5/9/07, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: etzim62(at)earthlink.net> Jim, You should expect temp to come down once airborne. Gene On May 9, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Jim Kmet wrote: > Hi all, have a quick Q. > I was Setting prop pitch today on my newly Overhauled 582 ( I`ve > never run one before) & got the RPMs set at 6350, EGT & CHT are > running right where I want them, but the water temp guage was about > to reach 200 degrees.( EIS) Keep in mind this was a static run, & > outside temps were about 83 degrees. Should I expect temps to be > within limits once airborne on a similar day because of much > increased airflow through the standard radiators? Or should I be > concerned about the static temps? > Thanks, Jim > http://www.matron -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2007
From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Prep For MV 2007 Flight
> Since you are a right seater from way back, you didn't put on a > few pounds lately that may have knocked you out of trim to the > right???? [Twisted Evil] [Laughing] > > -------- > Thanks too much, > > John Bickham John B: As a matter of fact, I did put on 4 lbs this past week. ;-) Had not thought of that. Think I will still rotate the universals and see if there is a difference. Since there is nothing precision on my airplane, except the engine and prop, it is probably out enough to make a little difference in roll. John W told me to secure the lift strut with a rope and tie it off to the tail. Then I can take the bolt out of the universal and rotate it 180 degrees by myself. Still got to calibrate the tach and make sure the new prop is dialed in correctly. Didn't have time to do that before I flew to Lakeland, but it did fly good. May have one blade a hair out of adjustment from the other two. Or maybe it is two out and one in. Anyhow, gonna try and get them all reading off the same sheet of music and letting the 912ULS turn 5,500 rpm WOT straight and level flight. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
Date: May 10, 2007
Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's
In a message dated 5/5/2007 9:16:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net writes: Add your name if it's not listed. Terry, You can add Alan Mancus and Bill Varnes to the list. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Oil Filter Rotax 912ULS
Date: May 11, 2007
Hi Folks: Just got back from the airstrip. Upgraded my oil cooler from a medium (Rotax Large) to a large (Rotax Extra Large) on the 912ULS. During flights out West, in recent years, I have had to keep a very close eye on the engine oil temp gauge. At one point while flying Death Valley, I had to reduce power to keep the engine oil temp below the red line. Anxious to see if the money and effort was worth it or not. I am pretty sure I will get the results I want. Maybe a little lower engine oil temp and a little higher CHT. Discovered something interesting during my work on the mkIII today. I checked the oil in the tank prior to cracking any oil lines, or turning over the engine. To my dismay, the oil level in the tank had dropped to the lower portion of the stick out of the operational range. Since it was full when I put the airplane away a week ago, the only answer to that would be the oil siphoned out of the tank and into the crank case because the anti-siphon valve in the oil filter malfunctioned. After I got the new cooler installed, I turned the engine over by hand to blow the oil out of the crankcase and back into the oil tank. Next time I checked the oil was just over the bottom of the operational line about a quarter of an inch. As most of you know, I use Fram TG3614 oil filters in my 912ULS. I was a little disappointed that the anti-siphon valve failed, until I remembered, I still had a black oil filter installed. The original Rotax filter. I have yet to do the first oil change which is due at 25 hours. So..........my track record for my Fram TG3614 is still 100%. I have one on the bench to install before I depart for MV Tuesday morning. All that is left to do now is dial in prop pitch, adjust throttle friction, rotate drag strut universals, re-rivet the left aileron counter balance weight that for some reason decided to loosen up in the leading edge of the aileron, and wash the carpenter bee crap and saw dust off the wings. Right now it is break time. Too hot to work in this 94F heat. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: oil cooler
Date: May 12, 2007
Maybe a little lower engine oil temp and a little higher CHT. john h mkIII >>>>>>>>>>>> john why would a lower oil temp result in a higher cht? boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: oil cooler
Date: May 12, 2007
| why would a lower oil temp result in a higher cht? | | boyd Hi Boyd: Good question. I am glad you asked. Folks, you don't get much past Boyd. The new oil cooler is about 1.5 to 2" taller than the old one. It is piggy backed on the radiator. Figured covering up more of the radiator would bring up the CHT, while lowering the eng oil temp. However, it may cancel itself out. Don't know yet. Have not test flown with the new cooler. Temps here are conducive to eng oil cooler testing. Yesterday was 94F and today is 92F. Main thing I was shooting for was bring down the eng oil temp so I could run hard in hotter OAT. May have to swing by Death Valley this trip to test it. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Tach Calibration
Date: May 12, 2007
Hi Gang: Did not take time to calibrate the old tach after installing the new 912ULS. Got her dialed in and flew to Lakeland and back. 18.0 hours on the new engine today. Did a tack calibration and was surprised that it was off by about 300 rpm. I thought I was turning 5,400 static, but was actually turning 5,700. Like flying with a 5 speed and cruising in 4th. We'll take care of that little problem tomorrow. Should be able to pull another 1.5 degrees of pitch into the prop. Ought to do wonders for my cruise speed and fuel burn. We shall see what happens during the flight West. Nothing sorts out an airplane and pilot than spending two, three, four weeks in the cockpit and flying a hundred hours or so. If there is something you want to find out about the system, you will find out on a cross country like that. Two days and counting, john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Doug Wetzel" <dougwe(at)comcast.net>
Subject: oil cooler
Date: May 12, 2007
I think you'll find the Utah weather accommodating enough for you, John. It was 91 here in Salt Lake yesterday. Doug Wetzel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: oil cooler | why would a lower oil temp result in a higher cht? | | boyd Hi Boyd: Good question. I am glad you asked. Folks, you don't get much past Boyd. The new oil cooler is about 1.5 to 2" taller than the old one. It is piggy backed on the radiator. Figured covering up more of the radiator would bring up the CHT, while lowering the eng oil temp. However, it may cancel itself out. Don't know yet. Have not test flown with the new cooler. Temps here are conducive to eng oil cooler testing. Yesterday was 94F and today is 92F. Main thing I was shooting for was bring down the eng oil temp so I could run hard in hotter OAT. May have to swing by Death Valley this trip to test it. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy1(at)houston.rr.com>
Subject: ultralight training, Houston area
Date: May 13, 2007
Can anyone suggest an Ultralight instructor in the Houston, TX area? I want to learn to fly an ultralight, and I eventually plan to purchase a Kolb Firefly. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks- Jimmy Young ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: May 13, 2007
Subject: Re: ultralight training, Houston area
Jimmy, Contact me at 713- 944-1147 and I will try to steer you in the right direction. Ed Diebel (In Houston FF 62)


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From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: May 13, 2007
Subject: Re: Ivo prop
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From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: May 13, 2007
Subject: Re: Ivo Prop and Decarbon
List, Here's a heads up on the Ivo. Last time I flew the FF she had a vibration. The cht's were high and the EGT's were low. Im at 50 hrs and decided to go on with the decarbon. Good decision , cause when I was removing the prop I saw that the adjusting ear was broken off one of the blades. I feel sure that is the cause of the vibration as well as the low EGT's and the High CHT's. Seems to be a fair amount of carbon on the intake side of the head as well as the piston crown. Can anyone tell me If the gearbox has to be removed to get the lower shroud off the cylinders on the 447? Ed Diebel


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From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Sam Peachy's annual spring Fly-in
Date: May 13, 2007
Had a wonderful day Saturday at Sam Peachy's annual spring fly-in and met Homer and Clara. Homer was delighted to see all the Kolb pilots show up when six of us flew in together. Homer and Clara said they are eager to host everyone again at the Kolb estate on June 16. Pray for another gorgeous day. Homer Kolb and Wilmer Zimmerman Sam Peachy in his Firestar. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Filter Rotax 912ULS
Date: May 13, 2007
HEY MAN! BON VOYAGE!! FAIR WINDS -- Russ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: May 13, 2007
Subject: Re: FireFly prop
Fireflyers, Anyone out there flying with a 2-blade 64" prop. Seems my Ivo has cratered and it is only about 30% more for a whole new prop than a single replacement blade. Is anyone flying a warp drive on a 447 W/ b box. I am intertaining that thought as John H has had good luck with his. Does the Warp flex more than the Ivo? Is it too heavy for the b box . Any Thoughts? Ed Diebel


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From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop
Date: May 13, 2007
Do not know the weight of that prop, but I think a 64" 2 blade Warp ought to be safe with a B box, but I would use Mobil One synthetic or equivilent and change it often. I put a Warp 66" 2 blade on a used B box, total time unknown, and it ended up making metal. But since total time was unknown, that proves nothing. The Warp does not flex like an Ivo. Nothing flexes like an Ivo... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly prop Fireflyers, Anyone out there flying with a 2-blade 64" prop. Seems my Ivo has cratered and it is only about 30% more for a whole new prop than a single replacement blade. Is anyone flying a warp drive on a 447 W/ b box. I am intertaining that thought as John H has had good luck with his. Does the Warp flex more than the Ivo? Is it too heavy for the b box . Any Thoughts? Ed Diebel ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: May 13, 2007
Subject: Re: FireFly prop
In a message dated 5/13/2007 6:09:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DAquaNut(at)aol.com writes: Does the Warp flex more than the Ivo? Is it too heavy for the b box . Any Thoughts? The Warp does not flex hardly at all, but it's way too heavy for the b box. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Ivo Prop and Decarbon
Date: May 13, 2007
| Do you have a CPS Catolog ? ( California Power Systems ) | Mike & "Jaz" in MN Gang: You can get the official Rotax manuals for all their engines on the Kodiak web page. Very convenient to be able to pull up the current manuals for free. I understand CPS has a nice catalog, but it ain't gospel. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Final certification
Date: May 13, 2007
Dateline: May 12 2007, Ray Center, Michigan Two local men, Ken Fackler, and Mark Gray, after months of work and preparation achieved a major milestone today. They each were given airworthiness certificates for their Kolb Experimental Light Sport aircraft. Ken Fackler, an instructional designer with Electronic Data Systems, has been flying the tiny craft since 1982. His friend, hangar mate, and 'flying buddy' learned to fly in sailplanes while living in Canada. Both men have been flying their Kolbs over SE Michigan for the past 5 years. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Final certification
From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 13, 2007
Any pearls of wisdom in getting certified? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=112681#112681 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
Date: May 13, 2007
Subject: Re: Ivo Prop and Decarbon
In a message dated 5/13/2007 4:58:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DAquaNut(at)aol.com writes: Can anyone tell me If the gearbox has to be removed to get the lower shroud off the cylinders on the 447? Ed, I just finished doing a top end overhaul on my 447 and the lower shroud was removed without messing with the gear box or the fan tower. I found it to be slightly stubborn, not bending it, but twisting somewhat to get it in and out of place. In lieu of using Sea Foam, Yamaha is distributing a product called Ring Free. Mix it into the fuel and it is supposed to remove and/or eliminate carbon deposits and eliminate sticky rings. I am going to start using it. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Final certification
From: "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com>
Date: May 14, 2007
I got mine certified last July and the DAR spent 5 minutes looking it over. Most of it is making sure the paperwork is in order. I was wondering how picky he would be in checking my 20 year old plane. He said that it was in good condition and made his stamp in my logbook. There was hardly anything to it and was gone an hour later. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 20 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=112760#112760 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JAMES BEARD" <JAMESBEARD305(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Date: May 14, 2007
Hey John H and group! The recent loss of a dear friend causes us to cancel our plans for MV as I must attend the funeral service. I have just cancelled my reservation at gouldings campground. if you hurry, you may get a 33 ft motorhome slot. Good luck and safe flying to you all.... we'll see you all again next year, when Jackalope may be flying. Highest regards, Jim and Sandy Beard ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2007
From: Bob Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: A/N hardware torque specs
clk on Google: aircraft hardware torque values. Internet's a wonderful tool...just use it. Takes abt 15 secs instead of all evening! Also, AC43-13. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2007
From: Bob Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: A/N hardware torque specs
Ok, here it is: http://exp-aircraft.com/library/alexande/hardware.html regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <thomriddle(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: A/N hardware torque specs
Date: May 15, 2007
Here is an on-line source: http://www.raskcycle.com/techtip/webdoc14.html Thom in Buffalo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: torque chart
Date: May 15, 2007
I copied the torque chart from the Faa advisory circular Ac 43.13-1b Acceptable methods, techniques, and practices --- aircraft inspection and repair. Get a copy at http://www.brigham.net/~byoung/torque.jpg down size the picture to print on a page and store it with your plans. Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2007
From: marcus kolb <marcuskolb(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Homer Kolb's Farm with runway for sale?
Hi folks! Since I live here and Im Homers son, I figured I could clear this up a bit. The place listed is John Steimers farm which forms the other end of our Group B airport 43PA. http://www.airnav.com/airport/43PA If you look at http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=580+wall+street+phoenixville+pa&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.158465,95.185547&ie=UTF8&ll=40.157869,-75.544825&spn=0.014415,0.023239&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1 You can see the runway with a tree line in about the middle. To the West is Johns farm and to the East is our farm. Johns property is gorgeous and the pond is larger now then in the satellite picture. The runway is huge 3200 x 100 wide and flat. Sadly this is the only one like it around and you could never create a new one anywhere around here with todays zoning restrictions. I learned to fly on this runway by crow hopping the Kolb flyer on this wonderful, long stretch of runway. John is in no hurry to sell since he put so much effort into extending our runway and really loves the property and just hates the idea of putting in a housing development which would not only kill his end of the runway but would most likely cut down our remaining 1200 with obstructions. Im getting nervous since a nice development offer to John could wipe it out and he will eventually sell it. This would make a great flight park either with a large common hangar or each house with its own hangar (farm building). We are in Chester county and if a property is over 10 acres it can qualify for reduced taxes and fewer township hassles under 319 (its considered a farm). http://dsf.chesco.org/chesco/cwp/view.asp?a=1413&q=573695 Stop in or fly in Id be happy to take anyone on a tour. Regards, Marcus Kolb Director of Research and Development VideoRay, LLC marcus.kolb(at)videoray.com --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop
Date: May 15, 2007
Jim, I'll agree a three blade may be "better" it you factor in personal preference. ;^) On May 15, 2007, at 1:20 PM, jimhefner wrote: > I had a 2 blade IVO on a 4" extender on the 447 and was very happy > with it's performance, including climb, but I didn't care to climb > at 1100'/min either. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flycrazy8(at)aol.com
Date: May 15, 2007
Subject: The whole truth....Firefly Prop
But a two blade prop will out perform a three blade every time when everything is optimized, especially prop diameter and prop speed. On May 15, 2007, at 9:35 AM, jimhefner wrote: > > A 3 blade prop should out climb a 2 blade prop when everything is > apples - apples.... different props and configs on different type > aircraft don't tell you much conclusive about the props. Comparing > a Firefly climb and cruise to a GT400 is apples and molasses... :) > Sorry, I couldn't resist.... no offense intended! > > -------- > Jim Hefner > Kolbless in Tucson :( No offense taken Jim I should have added that the GT400 has a Rotax 503 with that Ivo Prop . Maybe why he can out climb my 447 3 -blade Warp . I took that it was the shorter wing area on the Firefly compared to the longer wing and thus more wing area on the GT400 . .......What say You ? I cruise at 65 or 70 mph (indicated) ... The GT 400 cruises at 55 or 60 . Sorry for not giving the truth and not the whole truth Stephen Baxley Firefly 2003 / 035 S.W. Georgia ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: May 15, 2007
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
In a message dated 5/15/2007 11:54:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, etzim62(at)earthlink.net writes: But a two blade prop will out perform a three blade every time when everything is optimized, especially prop diameter and prop speed Outperform? What does that mean? I have a FS II, 503DCDI, 3.47:1 C Box, & 68" 3 blade Kiev prop; weight of plane is 470 [wet] & I was 275 when the following results were obtained: Outclimbed & outran 2 other FS II's; one was grossed same as mine & one 70 lbs lighter. Both had B boxes & with 2 blade props. The results were the same when I ran a 3 blade Warp, 68" w/ taper tips. YMMV Howard Shackleford FS II SC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Shimei" <mshimei(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Ultrastar wings
Date: May 15, 2007
I am looking for a set of ultrastar wings, covered or not. Preferably not damaged or minor damage if I get in a hurry.Im located in Florida,can travel. Mark 321 268-3273. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Monument Valley 2007
Date: May 15, 2007
John and I have made it to Russelville, AR. I was on down-wind to land at Conway and a voice came on the radio asking if that experimental at Conway was a Kolb. It was John about 15 minutes out. I love it when a plan comes together. We waited out a thunder storm then made it to Russellville. Steven ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop
The problem with comparing two and three blade props is that you're always comparing apples with oranges. All things being equal, the two blade prop should be the better performer... but things are never equal. I'm not that familiar with the Firefly, so I'm speaking in general terms: The fewer blades, the more efficient. Yes, a ONE blade prop is most efficient... but the weight penalty for the counterweight and a crankshaft strong enough to handle the asymmetric loading probably negates the advantages. One bladed props have been used successfully on racing model airplanes, though. The faster the prop is turning, and the smaller the prop, the bigger the advantage to fewer blades (which is why they work well on a model engine turning a tiny prop at 20,000+ rpm!) The only reason to use more than two blades is if the two bladed prop can't efficiently absorb the engine's power in the space available. Typically this is due to ground clearance issues (or tail boom clearance in the case of a Kolb). Regardless of the number of blades, any prop will be most efficient if the blade pitch is set so that each point on the prop is acting at the maximum L/D. This usually involves a compromise (unless you have an adjustable prop) since you want the prop to perform well both during climb as well as cruise. A flatter pitch is better for climb and vice versa. Generally you optimize it for some speed between climb and cruise. Now, what if your engine produces more power than the prop can handle? It overspeeds, so you increase the pitch somewhat, effectively you now have more of a "cruise prop" than a "climb prop". Since you're off the best L/D point, it's less efficient. However, you can also absorb more power by adding blade area: making the blades wider, or adding blades (or both... look at the huge paddles on a T-28). With more blade area you don't have to add pitch to prevent overspeeding, so you're still in the better L/D area, or you're back in the "climb prop" area... which explains why the 3 blade props may perform better on takeoff and climb, at the expense of cruise. -Dana -- -- Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
Date: May 15, 2007
Hey, I dont doubt your experience. I assume you concluded, based on your experience, that a three-blade prop will always have the potential to out climb and out run a two blade? A prop blade is simply a rotating wing and the reason a two blade will always have the "potential for better performance is the same reason high performance sailplanes never have bi-wings. Performance is maximized by minimizing performance robbing drag created by the wing tip vortices. A long high aspect wing has better performance than a shorter bi-wing because the bi-wing has twice as many drag creating wing tip vortices. On May 15, 2007, at 8:27 PM, HShack(at)aol.com wrote: > I have a FS II, 503DCDI, 3.47:1 C Box, & 68" 3 blade Kiev prop; > weight of plane is 470 [wet] & I was 275 when the following results > were obtained: > > Outclimbed & outran 2 other FS II's; one was grossed same as mine & > one 70 lbs lighter. Both had B boxes & with 2 blade props. > > The results were the same when I ran a 3 blade Warp, 68" w/ taper > tips. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: May 15, 2007
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
In a message dated 5/15/2007 11:06:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ElleryWeld(at)aol.com writes: You should show the other guys how to set there Prop ? Ellery No, some of them have concluded they need to duplicate my setup; others are quite happy with less than optimal performance. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
At 11:01 PM 5/15/2007, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > >Performance is maximized by minimizing performance robbing drag >created by the wing tip vortices. A long high aspect wing has better >performance than a shorter bi-wing because the bi-wing has twice as >many drag creating wing tip vortices. Actually it's not the wing tip vortices. A biplane is less efficient because of interference between the wings; the closer together the more interference. Similarly, the close together the prop blades are (i.e. 3 blade vs. 2 blade) the more interference. Wing top vortices are part of induced drag, which depends on aspect ratio. If you could build a biplane with the same aspect ratio for each wing as the sailplane, AND get them sufficiently far apart for no interference, you'd get the same performance... but you CAN'T get them far enough apart, practically speaking, and then there's the drag of supporting structure, etc... -Dana -- -- Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: visibility
Date: May 15, 2007
(subject formerly doors) Old BB's social life and gardening work keeps him from making rapid progress. -but a little gets done occasionally. Someone inquired about the possibility of my plane losing some of it's Kolb view. I sat in the passenger seat with the template pattern of the lower skin taped in place today. What you would see at that angle would be your legs, knees, arms and elbows. They are very rigid so far and should be more so once the outer shell goes on. Note BB's concession to modernity: the $99 Garmin Etrex :) DSCN1127.JPG

      
      
      
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Date: May 16, 2007
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Then why is a high-bipass turbofan so efficient? These are found on 747-767 and are just a whole bunch of ducted short propeller blades. At 11:01 PM 5/15/2007, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > Similarly, the close together the prop blades are (i.e. 3 blade vs. 2 blade) the more interference. -Dana ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 16, 2007
jim wrote: > > > Then why is a high-bipass turbofan so efficient? These are found on > 747-767 and are just a whole bunch of ducted short propeller blades. > > -Dana A high bybpas turbofan is NOT efficient. If you look at a jet compared to a prop plane, there is no comparison in in efficiency, the prop wins every time. Where did you get the idea that a turbofan is so efficient , by comparing it to a turbojet, which is even less efficient [Laughing] It is well known that a 2 blade prop is more efficient than a 3 blade. The problem is that there is not always room for a long 2 blade prop, or noise is more of an issue etc. etc. But the 2 blade is more efficient. If someone outclimbed someone else with a 3 blade prop, making the assumption that it was because of having a 3 bladed prop is just dumb. Ever think it could have been variations in the airplane, pilot technique, or a hundred other possible factors ??? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113164#113164 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
At 09:52 AM 5/16/2007, Jim Dunn wrote: > >Then why is a high-bipass turbofan so efficient? These are found on >747-767 and are just a whole bunch of ducted short propeller blades. Well, that's a different situation. You can't really compare that to a prop on a low speed aircraft; you have to compare it to a conventional turbofan or a pure jet engine... and it IS larger than those. Also a ducted fan is very different; the duct eliminates the tip vortices so the aspect ratio isn't as significant. Ducted fans (and jets for that matter) aren't very efficient at low airspeeds. -Dana -- -- Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2007
Subject: MV
From: ghaley(at)wt.net
All you guys and gals headed for Monument Valley have a good one. I hate that I can't make it this year. It looks like you are going to have a great trip. Gary H. in Houston Kolb Mark III ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2007
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Update #5 - In the Air Again (long)
"Since we last encountered our fair #######..." Nope, that just doesn't work. Not since I've been flying and camping, nose burned and peeling, helmet hairdo...anyway, Larry Cottrell and I ARE back in the air again and on our way to Monument Valley. When you last heard from me it was Friday, May 4 and we had decided (due to severe weather conditions,) to leave our planes in Casa Grande, AZ and drive to San Antonio, so Larry and Karen could visit with his brother and I could meet Norm (who was driving) at our friends north of S.A. The drive was strenuous (3 dogs, 3 adults, car crammed with gear,) but we made it after 17 hrs., straight through and arrived Saturday morning, May 5. We all had a great time at our respective places of visiting, and on Saturday, May 12 we reconvened, got in the car and headed back to Casa Grande to our planes. Same drive but more challenging since the Cottrells' pointer was now in heat, and their male Brittany spaniel was very, very interested. We got back to Casa Grande Sunday afternoon, checked out our planes, spent the night, and took off early Monday morning. The air was absolutely perfect - totally smooth with a slight tailwind. Roger Lee (Tuscon Kolber) had told me about a very good route around Tuscon and we followed it. We were hoping to make Las Cruces by evening, and things were looking pretty good as we flew, a little bumpy in spots, but very tolerable flying. We flew past Deming, NM - only 45 miles from Las Cruces - only to see massive thunderheads directly ahead. Karen radioed saying there was a huge thunderstorm in front of us, so we turned around, landed at Deming, and spent the night there. Tuesday morning, looking at our projected route, we decided to fly north to Truth or Consequences instead of east to Las Cruces. My brakes were leaking fluid, so we spent 2 hours doing a "field repair" with the help of a guy at the airport who had absolutely everything as far as tools and supplies. It was a really smooth flight from Deming to T or C, where we refueled. From T or C to Socorro, NM was really, really bumpy, with a 20+ mph headwind. A lot of work, not scary, just work. Flying past Socorro the wind suddenly shifted and we got a smooth tailwind! We landed at Belen, NM and the wind was rising, so we decided to camp at the airport for the night. Didn't get much sleep - from 9:30 - 10:00 p.m. someone's car alarm was sounding, and there were train whistles, peacocks and mockingbirds all night. (Don't tell any of us that birds don't call in the dark!) This morning we left at 0-dark-thirty, had an incredible (20+ mph) tailwind and made Grants, NM without incident. Quick refuel and lifted off from the taxiway (with the airport manager's permission, since the wind was so strong that it would have been almost impossible to taxi to the runway.) The tailwind was still there and we were doing 90-100 mph over the ground on the leg to Gallup, NM. Outside of Gallup we saw the first of the red rimrock for which this area is famous. Landed into a stiff headwind and dropped like a rock with a great landing - then it suddenly got squirrely on the ground and I did a terrific ground loop right off the runway! Thunderheads building up and wind getting even worse, so we decided to spend the night here in Gallup and finish our flight to Monument Valley tomorrow. We're sharing a huge hangar with a Cessna 172 - very cozy. Will send the next update hopefully from MV tomorrow p.m. Our route will be from Gallup to Window Rock to Chinle to Kayenta, AZ to Monument Valley. Arty www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Buildiing Plans
From: "Mike KIng" <mikemail356(at)juno.com>
Date: May 16, 2007
Hello I have a FireFly project and some pages of the drawings are missing. Can anyone E-Mail a copy or fax a scan to me. The missing drawings are sheets 12, 18 and 40. Thank you Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113218#113218 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: May 16, 2007
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
In a message dated 5/16/2007 12:25:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes: If someone outclimbed someone else with a 3 blade prop, making the assumption that it was because of having a 3 bladed prop is just dumb. Ever think it could have been variations in the airplane, pilot technique, or a hundred other possible factors ??? Mike It must be me you're calling dumb. I never said it was the 3 bladed prop that allowed me to outclimb them- just that I did, using certain parameters,ie. brand, # blades, & length of prop, & ratio of PSRU. By the way, I also usually burn less gas than them on a given trip. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Lazer prototype on Ebay
From: "Rick Nelson" <geezer.nelson(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 16, 2007
I'm the guy who bought that Lazer prototype. :D Is there any chance that one of you fine people has plans, blueprints, or at least some information on the Lazer? I was surprised that the fuselage is in such good shape. The wings, however, are just a tangle of tubing around some spars. Rick Nelson Huntsville, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113261#113261 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: fairly new website
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: May 17, 2007
Matt and fellow Kolbers, Before yall think Im trying to take away from this fine list let me say Im NOT. This is just a website i picked to tell my building story and load photos and video. Regards http://www.motortopia.com/journal/view/t/garage/j/1497/i/the_king_kolbra_and_my_story -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113398#113398 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 17, 2007
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Update-#6--Arrived-At-Monument-Valley!!
First-The-space-bar-on-the-computer-in-the-MV-laundromat-doesn't-work.--So-be-prepared-for-a-dash-wherever-a-space-ought-to-be! Larry,Karen-and-I-were-really-grateful-to-be-inside-a-hangar-yesterday-as-thunderstorms-swept-through-Gallup,-with-lots-of-pouring-rain.-This-morning-we-were-wheels-off-at-6:15-a.m.-and-we-had-a-glorious-flight,-flying-from-Gallup-past-Window-Rock,-AZ-over-high-desert-forest-(large-pine-trees;-Larry-says-it's-great-elk-country,-although-we-didn't-see-any,).--We-flew-fairly-high-about-8500'-to-get-over-a-high-mesa,-and-landed-at-Chinle,AZ-to-check-the-sectional-and-decide-if-we-wanted-to-straight-line-it-to-Monument-Valley-or-follow-the-raod-via-Kayenta.--Straight-line-won-out-and-in-only-minutes-we-were-seeing-the-distinctive-rock-formations-of-MV.--Perfect-flying-weather--totally-smooth-air,-clear-skies-with-just-a-bit-of-haze,-and-a-slight-trailwind. We-landed-at-MV-at-8:45-a.m.,-and-John-Williamson-was-already-on-the-ground.--He-had-flown-in-from-Farmingham,-where-he-had-spent-the-night.--We-were-stillcatching-up-when-Dave-Rains-arrived-in-his-Cessna-along-with-a-flying-buddy,-Bernard,who-is-flying-a-Comanche. Now-it's-1:00-p.m.-and-HL-and-Dawn-have-flown-in-from-Tuscon,-and-Jon-Leseur-(probably-misspelled)-arrived-from-Minnesote,-trailering-his-Kolb. Weather-is-really-nice,-high-80's-and-very-little-wind.--Very-flyable.--We'll-be-here-until-Sunday-when-the-Kolb-fly-in-ends,and-then-head-for-home. 2230-miles-so-far-in-41-hrs.-of-flying.--I'm-purposely-not-going-to-figure-fuel-amounts-yet,-or-I'll-start-obsessing-over-the-cost.--:>) Arty www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 17, 2007
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: [drifterflyers] Update-#6--Arrived-At-Monument-Valley!!
First-The-space-bar-on-the-computer-in-the-MV-laundromat-doesn't-work.--So-be-prepared-for-a-dash-wherever-a-space-ought-to-be! Larry,Karen-and-I-were-really-grateful-to-be-inside-a-hangar-yesterday-as-thunderstorms-swept-through-Gallup,-with-lots-of-pouring-rain.-This-morning-we-were-wheels-off-at-6:15-a.m.-and-we-had-a-glorious-flight,-flying-from-Gallup-past-Window-Rock,-AZ-over-high-desert-forest-(large-pine-trees;-Larry-says-it's-great-elk-country,-although-we-didn't-see-any,).--We-flew-fairly-high-about-8500'-to-get-over-a-high-mesa,-and-landed-at-Chinle,AZ-to-check-the-sectional-and-decide-if-we-wanted-to-straight-line-it-to-Monument-Valley-or-follow-the-raod-via-Kayenta.--Straight-line-won-out-and-in-only-minutes-we-were-seeing-the-distinctive-rock-formations-of-MV.--Perfect-flying-weather--totally-smooth-air,-clear-skies-with-just-a-bit-of-haze,-and-a-slight-trailwind. We-landed-at-MV-at-8:45-a.m.,-and-John-Williamson-was-already-on-the-ground.--He-had-flown-in-from-Farmingham,-where-he-had-spent-the-night.--We-were-stillcatching-up-when-Dave-Rains-arrived-in-his-Cessna-along-with-a-flying-buddy,-Bernard,who-is-flying-a-Comanche. Now-it's-1:00-p.m.-and-HL-and-Dawn-have-flown-in-from-Tuscon,-and-Jon-Leseur-(probably-misspelled)-arrived-from-Minnesote,-trailering-his-Kolb. Weather-is-really-nice,-high-80's-and-very-little-wind.--Very-flyable.--We'll-be-here-until-Sunday-when-the-Kolb-fly-in-ends,and-then-head-for-home. 2230-miles-so-far-in-41-hrs.-of-flying.--I'm-purposely-not-going-to-figure-fuel-amounts-yet,-or-I'll-start-obsessing-over-the-cost.--:>) Arty www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 1 New Members Visit Your Group Pilot Michelin pilot sport Aviation pilot supply Drifter Sports pilots Health Zone Look your best! Groups to help you look & feel great. Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on Yahoo! search. . __,_._,___ www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 17, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Calling Dave Bigelow
Dave, How is the HKS coming along? What kind of CHT and EGT readings are you getting at cruise RPM? Still sorting mine and just wanted to compare notes. I can't seem to keep CHT's under 300 in the 4200 to 4500 RPM band, but they're just fine at full throttle. I have been slowly dialing out prop pitch to bring climb RPM up, but haven't seen any improvement in cruise temps yet. Tomorrow I'll be calling the factory to ask about raising the jet needle one notch if this last adjustment doesn't get it. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DBforfun(at)aol.com
Date: May 18, 2007
Subject: Kolb flyers in San Francisco Bay area
I have a Kolb Mark III classic with a Rotax 582 that I am returning to flying condition and would like to license as LSA. I am presently keeping the plane at my home in Pinole and I have a hanger at Napa County and I work in Napa. Anyone in this area that has gone thru the LSA paperwork or who is flying a Kolb? I am looking for some local help and camaraderie however All replies from anywhere are welcome. Dan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Calling Dave Bigelow
From: "Dave Bigelow" <up_country(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 18, 2007
Rick, I'm very happy with how my HKS is running. I set up the prop pitch so that with full throttle, I get 6,200 RPM at climb speed of 45-50 mph. I pull the power back to the 5,800 RPM maximum continuous limit shortly after takeoff. I was originally having problems with EGT going over the 1400 degree F limit at mid-range RPM. I raised the jet needles one notch, and that cured the problem. I rarely see EGT over 1350. CHT seems to run just below 300 degrees most of the time. I was finally able to obtain 89 octane ethanol free gas, and am mixing that with 100 octane AVgas at 3:1. It's running quite well on that mixture. I'm coming up on the first oil change soon. So far, the installation has been nice and solid with nothing showing any sign of shaking loose. I'm planning a flight tomorrow morning along the high cliffs and deep valleys of the northeast coast of Hawaii Island. There's no place to land besides the water if the engine quits, but my trust level of the engine is pretty high. I will wear a life vest just in case. -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, HKS 700E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113530#113530 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb flyers in San Francisco Bay area
Date: May 18, 2007
Dan, I`ve done exactly this same thing, as a matter of fact, the DAR is coming to my house tonight to do the inspection & issue the airworthiness cert, I`ll post another message this weekend tolet you know how it went, Jim in TN, ----- Original Message ----- From: DBforfun(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:15 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb flyers in San Francisco Bay area I have a Kolb Mark III classic with a Rotax 582 that I am returning to flying condition and would like to license as LSA. I am presently keeping the plane at my home in Pinole and I have a hanger at Napa County and I work in Napa. Anyone in this area that has gone thru the LSA paperwork or who is flying a Kolb? I am looking for some local help and camaraderie however All replies from anywhere are welcome. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 18, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Calling Dave Bigelow
Thanks, Dave, good to hear. I still haven't achieved 6200 RPM on climb out, but I'm closing in on it. I'll raise the jet needles and see if that gets the CHT's down. After attending Rotax classes at Sun n Fun I decided to switch from Mobil 1 Synthetic to Mobil 1 Racing 4T for the anti-shearing additves to protect the gearbox. Still full synthetic, but designed for motorcycle engines with shared oil for the engine and gearbox. The only drawback is that it is only available in 10W-40 weight. Here on the plains, it'll help with those hot summer days, but it might be a bit thick for the rest of the year. Have fun flying, stay safe. Take pictures and make the rest of us jealous. :-) Rick On 5/18/07, Dave Bigelow wrote: > > > Rick, > > I'm very happy with how my HKS is running. I set up the prop pitch so > that with full throttle, I get 6,200 RPM at climb speed of 45-50 mph. I > pull the power back to the 5,800 RPM maximum continuous limit shortly after > takeoff. > > I was originally having problems with EGT going over the 1400 degree F > limit at mid-range RPM. I raised the jet needles one notch, and that cured > the problem. I rarely see EGT over 1350. CHT seems to run just below 300 > degrees most of the time. > > I was finally able to obtain 89 octane ethanol free gas, and am mixing > that with 100 octane AVgas at 3:1. It's running quite well on that > mixture. I'm coming up on the first oil change soon. So far, the > installation has been nice and solid with nothing showing any sign of > shaking loose. > > I'm planning a flight tomorrow morning along the high cliffs and deep > valleys of the northeast coast of Hawaii Island. There's no place to land > besides the water if the engine quits, but my trust level of the engine is > pretty high. I will wear a life vest just in case. > > -------- > Dave Bigelow > Kamuela, Hawaii > FS2, HKS 700E > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113530#113530 > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Date: May 19, 2007
flykolb(at)pa.net wrote: > Actually it belongs to someone else. The properties are adjoining and it has its own pond too; half the airstrip is on Homers property and half is on the one that is for sale. > > Dennis > > > The b/w image attached shows an aerial of the property (outlined in red) that is actually For Sale. The color image is from Google Maps, zoomed out to cover the whole of the runway. I overlayed the (red line) definition of the For Sale part from the b/w image. The Kolb's place is at the east end of the runway. Certainly hope that someone buys this place and keeps it intact. It would be a great setup for the right person. Can't imagine sharing a runway with people nicer than the Kolb family. Come to the fly in on June 16 and see for yourself. -------- George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113771#113771 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/43pa_bw_141.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/43pa_full_125.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
Actually, they aren't that efficient; they are just better than turbines without the bypass. They would be a lot more efficient if you could put a 2 blade prop on them, but a 2-blade big enough to absorb that much hp would probably have a larger diameter than the plane & weigh more than the plane, too. The entire *system* is efficient, but that's because of extremely low drag, extreme span-loading of the wings, flying at extreme altitude, etc. Charlie Jim Dunn wrote: > > Then why is a high-bipass turbofan so efficient? These are found on > 747-767 and are just a whole bunch of ducted short propeller blades. > > > At 11:01 PM 5/15/2007, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: >> > Similarly, the close together the prop blades are (i.e. 3 > blade vs. 2 blade) the more interference. > -Dana > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark IIIC won't turn right in straight and level
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 20, 2007
What you describe sounds strange, but if description of the proplem is very accurate, this sounds like a control system jamming problem to me. Espeically given that the stick frees up when you climb or descend, it sounds like it may be taking some load off the control system allowing it to move. I would check to make sure that the bushings that the aileron control tube go through are well greased and free. On the ground, have two people put a little up force on BOTH ailerons at the same time, then see if the stick moves left and right freely. Then have them put some down force and see if you feel any binding in the stick. Then check every part of the aileron control system that could possibly jam under load. The elevator problem you describe should not cause a roll jam as you describe, it is most likely un related. Attached is a picture of the area I am talking about, this loads up with a lot of downforce in flight, and needs to be well greased through the holes in the bushing. Good luck and let us know what you find. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113867#113867 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbdetail1_671.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2007
From: Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
I think the point he is trying to make and legitimately so is that; if a two blade prop was so efficient you would have a 2 blade fan section. Obviously a multi fan is more efficient considering the space allocated and the parameters in which it operates. Its an important distinction to make. As someone else pointed out in a perfect world many things would be different. In an imperfect world you create perfection through adaptation for the task you need to perform. One of those things is a multi blade prop. I can see where theoretically a two blade is superior however in real life it is almost never the case. In real life almost always a 3 blade prop is superior performance wise to a two blade prop and a 4 blade prop is most times superior to 3 blade prop. Its hard to win against a theoretical argument, the only way to "win" is to do a real world comparison when all the real factors that exist including bugs and paint chipped off the leading edge come into play. I will install a 4 blade prop on my M3X and then I will try a 2 blade prop I will be surprised if I get better performance at *any* flight regime with the 2 blader. Ron ======================= ---- JetPilot wrote: ============ jim wrote: > > > Then why is a high-bipass turbofan so efficient? These are found on > 747-767 and are just a whole bunch of ducted short propeller blades. > > -Dana A high bybpas turbofan is NOT efficient. If you look at a jet compared to a prop plane, there is no comparison in in efficiency, the prop wins every time. Where did you get the idea that a turbofan is so efficient , by comparing it to a turbojet, which is even less efficient [Laughing] It is well known that a 2 blade prop is more efficient than a 3 blade. The problem is that there is not always room for a long 2 blade prop, or noise is more of an issue etc. etc. But the 2 blade is more efficient. If someone outclimbed someone else with a 3 blade prop, making the assumption that it was because of having a 3 bladed prop is just dumb. Ever think it could have been variations in the airplane, pilot technique, or a hundred other possible factors ??? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113164#113164 -- kugelair.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mark IIIC won't turn right in straight and level
Since the description of the solution, climbing or descending, didn't mention actually unloading the system, i.e. pulling negative or positive G's, but rather movement of the stick, I'm guessing the problem lies in the mixer mechanism at the bottom of the stick. I agree with Mike, it sounds like a mechanical jamming. If you have access to a stethescope you might try listening to all the areas mentioned to check for any slight clicking or grinding sounds as you move the stick. Rick On 5/20/07, JetPilot wrote: > > > What you describe sounds strange, but if description of the proplem is > very accurate, this sounds like a control system jamming problem to > me. Espeically given that the stick frees up when you climb or descend, it > sounds like it may be taking some load off the control system allowing it to > move. I would check to make sure that the bushings that the aileron control > tube go through are well greased and free. On the ground, have two people > put a little up force on BOTH ailerons at the same time, then see if the > stick moves left and right freely. Then have them put some down force and > see if you feel any binding in the stick. Then check every part of the > aileron control system that could possibly jam under load. > > The elevator problem you describe should not cause a roll jam as you > describe, it is most likely un related. > > Attached is a picture of the area I am talking about, this loads up with a > lot of downforce in flight, and needs to be well greased through the holes > in the bushing. Good luck and let us know what you find. > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have > !!! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113867#113867 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolbdetail1_671.jpg > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
Consider the original Supermarine Spitfire Mk 1, #5054, had a two blade prop. By the Mk IX it was running a four blade prop and by the Mk XIV, with the RR Griffon engine replacing the Merlin, it was running a five blade. The difference in speed between the Mk I and the Mk XIV was almost 100 MPH. The difference in HP was a bit over 800 between the two and the extra three blades were required to soak it up. Rick On 5/20/07, Ron wrote: > > I think the point he is trying to make and legitimately so is that; if a > two blade prop was so efficient you would have a 2 blade fan section. > Obviously a multi fan is more efficient considering the space allocated and > the parameters in which it operates. Its an important distinction to make. > As someone else pointed out in a perfect world many things would be > different. > > In an imperfect world you create perfection through adaptation for the > task you need to perform. One of those things is a multi blade prop. I can > see where theoretically a two blade is superior however in real life it is > almost never the case. In real life almost always a 3 blade prop is superior > performance wise to a two blade prop and a 4 blade prop is most times > superior to 3 blade prop. Its hard to win against a theoretical argument, > the only way to "win" is to do a real world comparison when all the real > factors that exist including bugs and paint chipped off the leading edge > come into play. > > I will install a 4 blade prop on my M3X and then I will try a 2 blade prop > I will be surprised if I get better performance at *any* flight regime with > the 2 blader. > > Ron > > ======================= > ---- JetPilot wrote: > > ============ > > > jim wrote: > > > > > > Then why is a high-bipass turbofan so efficient? These are found on > > 747-767 and are just a whole bunch of ducted short propeller blades. > > > > -Dana > > > A high bybpas turbofan is NOT efficient. If you look at a jet compared to > a prop plane, there is no comparison in in efficiency, the prop wins every > time. Where did you get the idea that a turbofan is so efficient , by > comparing it to a turbojet, which is even less efficient [Laughing] > > It is well known that a 2 blade prop is more efficient than a 3 blade. The > problem is that there is not always room for a long 2 blade prop, or noise > is more of an issue etc. etc. But the 2 blade is more efficient. > > If someone outclimbed someone else with a 3 blade prop, making the > assumption that it was because of having a 3 bladed prop is just dumb. Ever > think it could have been variations in the airplane, pilot technique, or a > hundred other possible factors ??? > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > could > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
At 04:27 PM 5/20/2007, you wrote: >I think the point he is trying to make and legitimately so is that; >if a two blade prop was so efficient you would have a 2 blade fan >section. Obviously a multi fan is more efficient considering the >space allocated and the parameters in which it operates. Its an >important distinction to make. As someone else pointed out in a >perfect world many things would be different. > >In an imperfect world you create perfection through adaptation for >the task you need to perform. One of those things is a multi blade >prop. I can see where theoretically a two blade is superior however >in real life it is almost never the case. In real life almost always >a 3 blade prop is superior performance wise to a two blade prop and >a 4 blade prop is most times superior to 3 blade prop. Its hard to >win against a theoretical argument, the only way to "win" is to do a >real world comparison when all the real factors that exist including >bugs and paint chipped off the leading edge come into play. > >I will install a 4 blade prop on my M3X and then I will try a 2 >blade prop I will be surprised if I get better performance at *any* >flight regime with the 2 blader. > >Ron We tried a 6 blade - double 3 blade - prop on one of ours that had enough house power to turn it and it didn't do worth a crap. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
Date: May 20, 2007
Hi Ron and Kolbers, Over the many years at TOK I experimented with many different 2 and 3 blade propellers on the FF, FS, TS, M2, M3, SS and Laser. It is my recollection that a 2-blade would be faster than a 3-blade every time. The only reason we would run a 3-blade was for their typically smoother operation. I used the same aircraft for speed runs using a stopwatch to measure the speed over our 3,000 ft runway. This was done in zero-to- minimal wind conditions - usually late evenings - and I would average the run in both directions. This gave very repeatable results. This was my experience - I'll let others debate the theory. Dennis _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly prop & others I think the point he is trying to make and legitimately so is that; if a two blade prop was so efficient you would have a 2 blade fan section. Obviously a multi fan is more efficient considering the space allocated and the parameters in which it operates. Its an important distinction to make. As someone else pointed out in a perfect world many things would be different. In an imperfect world you create perfection through adaptation for the task you need to perform. One of those things is a multi blade prop. I can see where theoretically a two blade is superior however in real life it is almost never the case. In real life almost always a 3 blade prop is superior performance wise to a two blade prop and a 4 blade prop is most times superior to 3 blade prop. Its hard to win against a theoretical argument, the only way to "win" is to do a real world comparison when all the real factors that exist including bugs and paint chipped off the leading edge come into play. I will install a 4 blade prop on my M3X and then I will try a 2 blade prop I will be surprised if I get better performance at *any* flight regime with the 2 blader. Ron ======================= ---- JetPilot wrote: ============ jim wrote: > > > Then why is a high-bipass turbofan so efficient? These are found on > 747-767 and are just a whole bunch of ducted short propeller blades. > > -Dana A high bybpas turbofan is NOT efficient. If you look at a jet compared to a prop plane, there is no comparison in in efficiency, the prop wins every time. Where did you get the idea that a turbofan is so efficient , by comparing it to a turbojet, which is even less efficient [Laughing] It is well known that a 2 blade prop is more efficient than a 3 blade. The problem is that there is not always room for a long 2 blade prop, or noise is more of an issue etc. etc. But the 2 blade is more efficient. If someone outclimbed someone else with a 3 blade prop, making the assumption that it was because of having a 3 bladed prop is just dumb. Ever think it could have been variations in the airplane, pilot technique, or a hundred other possible factors ??? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2007
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
From: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the many years at TOK I experimented with many different 2 and 3 blade propellers on the FF, FS, TS, M2, M3, SS and Laser. It is my recollection that a 2-blade would be faster than a 3-blade every time. The only reason we would run a 3-blade was for their typically smoother operation. I used the same aircraft for speed runs using a stopwatch to measure the speed over our 3,000 ft runway. This was done in zero-to- minimal wind conditions usually late evenings - and I would average the run in both directions. This gave very repeatable results. This was my experience - Ill let others debate the theory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kolbers, If you keep the same propeller diameter and switch from a two to three blades and set the engine to top out at the same rpm, the two blade will cruise faster due to greater pitch. The three blade will climb better. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2007
From: Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
Yes we will get to a point of diminishing returns, however with more blades you will need to optimize the diameter of the blades (smaller) etc.. The only drag increase that I can off hand think of is parasitic drag etc... However its of minor significance and the multi blade better radial efficiency during flight should more than compensate for it. Ron (Arizona) =========================== ---- possums wrote: ============ At 04:27 PM 5/20/2007, you wrote: >I think the point he is trying to make and legitimately so is that; >if a two blade prop was so efficient you would have a 2 blade fan >section. Obviously a multi fan is more efficient considering the >space allocated and the parameters in which it operates. Its an >important distinction to make. As someone else pointed out in a >perfect world many things would be different. > >In an imperfect world you create perfection through adaptation for >the task you need to perform. One of those things is a multi blade >prop. I can see where theoretically a two blade is superior however >in real life it is almost never the case. In real life almost always >a 3 blade prop is superior performance wise to a two blade prop and >a 4 blade prop is most times superior to 3 blade prop. Its hard to >win against a theoretical argument, the only way to "win" is to do a >real world comparison when all the real factors that exist including >bugs and paint chipped off the leading edge come into play. > >I will install a 4 blade prop on my M3X and then I will try a 2 >blade prop I will be surprised if I get better performance at *any* >flight regime with the 2 blader. > >Ron We tried a 6 blade - double 3 blade - prop on one of ours that had enough house power to turn it and it didn't do worth a crap. -- kugelair.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
At 05:15 PM 5/20/2007, Richard Girard wrote: >Consider the original Supermarine Spitfire Mk 1, #5054, had a two blade >prop. By the Mk IX it was running a four blade prop and by the Mk XIV, >with the RR Griffon engine replacing the Merlin, it was running a five >blade. The difference in speed between the Mk I and the Mk XIV was almost >100 MPH. The difference in HP was a bit over 800 between the two and the >extra three blades were required to soak it up. True, but consider the reason... it wasn't practical to make the landing gear long enough to put on a sufficiently large prop of less blades to absorb all the available power. Even the early Spitfires had very limited prop ground clearance, so that pilots had to be very careful not to let the tail get too high while on the ground. -Dana -- -- Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: John Bickham visit
From: "Paul Petty" <paulpetty(at)myway.com>
Date: May 21, 2007
Hi Kolbers, Well while the gang was flying around rocks in the desert we had a little fun of our own. John Bickham flew his beautiful Mark 3 over to visit saturday. We had a good visit pumped 10 gal of fuel in and off he went. I tried to capture his landing (which was perfect) but the tiny view finder lost him. Got a better shot of his departure. Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW_FE9EPquE Landing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7_9DNs2Vn4 Take off -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie Final assembly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113973#113973 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark IIIC won't turn right in straight and level
Date: May 21, 2007
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
<< Anyway, this Mark IIIC will not turn right in straight and level cruise. From: "John Bickham" >> John B - I just ordered an "Adjustable Wing Attachment U-Joint" from TNK for a similar (but not as bad!) problem. My Mark-III always wants bank to the left, so I must hold constant right stick to counteract. I attached a bungee to the stick, pulling it right (a-la John H), and that took care of the problem. Saw one of these on John Williamson's Kolbra at Monument Valley this past weekend. It allows you to adjust the height of the rear wing attachment point. By adjusting the trailing edge of one wing up or down, you can bring the bottom planes of your wings back into alignment. Only need one, pick your wing. This may solve your problem. Looking straight-on at my airplane one day recently, standing just in front of the nosecone, I made visual comparisons of the flatness (planes) of the bottoms of both wings. I could see then that my right wing had a slightly greater angle of attack than the left wing. This explains the left turning tendency. I'll report my results after I install the adjustable U-joint. Dennis Kirby Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2007
From: "Don Martin" <d33martin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Firestar II for Sale
Kolb Members: I have a partially completed Firestar II for sale. Began the prep for the Sport Pilot License. Completed the required 20 hrs flight training and the written exam. Soloed. Then the day after the dual cross country, found out that I had some serious health problems. Plane has to go. Enjoyed the building process Building a new garage apartment and the plane has kept me busy and out of trouble. Airframe is complete, with tail and one wing covered. All fabric & painting materials from Aircraft Finishing Systems included. Over $16,000 invested in plane, and $9000 in trailer. Prefer to sell as a unit. I'd be willing to transport to a buyer within a day's ride of Dallas. Make offer? Firestar II Powder Coated New: 503 DCDI oil injected, E gearbox 3.47:1, electric start, muffler Powerfin 58 inch 3 blade prop Hotbox ELT Hawker Odyssey Battery 19 amp hr Tracy O'Brien Brakes Aircraft Spruce Vertical Hydraulic Brake Cylinders (Toe Brakes) Aircraft Spruce Electric Fuel Pump Aircraft Finishing Systems fabric & paint BRS repack 2006 Instruments: Mounted in panel 6" closer to pilot, Wiring complete. New: Vertical Speed Indicator Fuel Gage Meter & Sender Used: Compass Air Speed Indicator RPM & Hour Meter combination EGT & CHT Meter Thanks. Have enjoyed following the list and learning from you guys. Don Martin (469) 441-5414 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2007
From: "Don Martin" <d33martin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Firestar II for Sale
List: Here's a pic of the completed frame. Thanks. Don Martin (469) 441-5414 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Doug Wetzel" <dougwe(at)comcast.net>
Subject: MV
Date: May 21, 2007
I have to say a big "thanks" to Dave Rains for providing airlift for my father-in-law and me on Saturday morning. MV is spectacular from any angle, but it's something special from that air! Although we didn't stick around all day (other family commitments in Mexican Hat), this gathering is definitely on the schedule for next year. It was good to put faces with all the list names I've been seeing for the past five years! Doug Wetzel Salt Lake City ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark IIIC won't turn right in straight and level
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 21, 2007
John B, It is vitally important that you give a completely accurate description of what is going on ( Not second or third hand information ). Getting one detail wrong, or forgetting to tell something could indicate a completely different problem. The U Joint would fix a trim problem, that is a constant turn to the left, and having to hold a lot of right stick to just hold it straight and level. If you are out of trim that bad, it would be downright scarey to fly, as you would be constantly fighting just to keep your plane level, with the plane turning to the left all by itself and very hard turning to the right... An out of trim problem gets worse with speed, and harder to counteract, so from your description I dont think this is the problem. If the plane flys more or less level on its own, and is just hard to turn to the right when you want to, indicates a jam, not an out of trim problem. The out of trim probelm would definately be more common, but your description definately indicated a jam rather than trim problem. Recheck your facts, and note exactly what the symptoms to accurately diagnose this problem. Mike Bigelow -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114084#114084 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Will it ever be done...
AAAARGH!!! As you may know, I bought an Ultrastar complete with enclosed trailer last December a week before the airport it was located at closed. The US needed maybe a day of work to get it flyable; the trailer was another story... it had been used to store junk for the past 15 years or so while the plane sat comfortably in a hangar. Pieces of rotted wood fell off the trailer all the way home. I figured no big deal, how tough can a trailer rebuild be? Started working on it as soon as it got warm enough, and months later, it still seems endless. The big stuff, floor, sides, etc., went fast enough, but night after night I'm fussing with details... ventilation yesterday, doors the day before, tail boom support today and tomorrow, lights next... endless $50 and $100 purchases from McMaster and the local hardware store (my wife LOVES that part!)... then I have to get my tow vehicle running... one of these months maybe I'll even be able to FLY the plane! If I had know how long it would take I'd have done the minor work to make the plane flyable and at least put a few hours on it before bringing it home... as it is making Homer's next month is seeming less and less likely. Oh well, sorry, just needed to vent... I know it'll be worthwhile in the end... but today I'm pretty tired. -Dana -- -- Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FLYMICHIGAN(at)comcast.net
Subject: Lycoming?
Date: May 22, 2007
Has anyone ever heard of a Lycoming o290 ever being mounted to a kolb? I just picked up a zero time o290d at an auction. (125hp) Bryan Dever ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: MV 2007
Date: May 21, 2007
I made it home today, touched down at MMI at 2:15. I had a great time visiting with everyone and seeing the scenery. My trip home was good with no unfavorable winds, mostly a crosswind. Round trip was 3,180 miles, 39.6 hours, average speed: 80.3 mph, 4.9 gph Thanks to Larry, Karen Jim, John, and others for your hospitality. Took my wife out to dinner tonight for our 20th anniversary today. Steven Green ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
Date: May 21, 2007
Subject: Re: MV#5
In a message dated 5/21/2007 4:34:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hefner_jim(at)msn.com writes: The flying shots are not as good as they used to be in the Firefly, but I got a few decent shots JIM, I think you have some absolutely fantastic pics there. I've never been to MV so this is the only way I have to see what you guys are flying over. Beautiful. Thanks for posting them, Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: wont turn right
Date: May 21, 2007
> > Anyway, this Mark IIIC will not turn right in straight and level cruise. > The stick moves easily to the left but takes two hands to move it a even a > little bit to the right. If you put the plane in a climb or a descent, it > unloads the problem and allows the stick to move to the right. My suggestion..... don't fly till you figure something out.... I cant think of anything in the control of my mkIII that could cause that problem... I would look for a positional interference fit between the elevator and aileron control systems... maybe try forcing the aileron torque tube fore and aft while moving the stick.... could there be something cracked,,,, or something with some galling,,, or dirt/sand in a joint or bearing surface? Boyd ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lycoming?
Bryan, You didn't mention what model Kolb, but the short answer is no. At an installed weight of almost 250 lb. it's a tad heavy for the airframe of any model Kolb. Better to trade it for something else. MHO Rick On 5/21/07, FLYMICHIGAN(at)comcast.net wrote: > > > Has anyone ever heard of a Lycoming o290 ever being mounted to a kolb? I > just picked up a zero time o290d at an auction. (125hp) > > Bryan Dever > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2007
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: MV pictures
Jim, A huge thank you for taking and posting the pictures from MV. Makes us stay at home's really envious! Don't know how much trouble you had "cleaning up" the photo's, but the results are spectacular. Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2007
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: MV pictures
Jim, A huge thank you for taking and posting the pictures from MV. Makes us stay at home's really envious! Don't know how much trouble you had "cleaning up" the photo's, but the results are spectacular. Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: MV #5
Date: May 22, 2007
I just got back in Michigan from seeing my parents and oh yes also attending the Monument Valley fly-in. It was wonderful as usual. It seems like there was even some talking about airplanes. We even watched a airplane movie one night on a portable DVD player. I didn't get a chance to fly this year but was more than happy to forgo that experience to see all the smiling faces from the kids that got rides. Thanks Dave your heart is in the right place. Check out the attached photos. A Drifter attacks Kolb photographer (just kidding). I was taking photos of people leaving Sunday when a Drifter took its pilot for a wild ride. I heard a throttle go full almost instantly and noticed the wing tips rocking. I took photo 4057 and when the view finder cleared for the next shot I saw the plane way too close. I had just time enough to duck and run. Photo 4060 shows Arty taking off the way it should be done and also one wheel track in the sand heading right towards were I was standing. Photo 4054 shows the drifter in a less menacing position before the takeoff. Note the aux fuel tank in the rear seat. It is sitting high on a bag held in by seat belts, sort of. Apparently after hitting the ground behind me it slipped its restraints and made control adjustments on the rear stick after finally taking off. The tank never fell out but was moving around in the seat unrestrained when the Drifter landed. No one was hurt. Pilot has some wounded pride and a bent tail wheel but otherwise fine. If the Drifter had veered left it could have been much worse, there were more people and a line of planes. I talked to the pilot when he landed and offered to show him the photo. He DID NOT WANT TO SEE IT. All he could say it "I almost hit that girl on the other side of the runway" He needs glasses too!!!!! A bystander happened to be video tapping the incident from the other side the runway. Karen Cottrell got a promise from the guy to send her a copy of the tape. Should be interesting viewing. It will be very interesting to see what all happened. My photo shows controls set for a left turn back towards the runway but the track in the sand shows no turn. Probably wanted to check out the girl closer????? There was a tail wind but very little cross wind. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2007
Subject: Re: wont turn right
From: "Jim Dunn" <jim@tru-cast.com>
Does it exhibit the same problem power off (idle)? Do you have smooth & effortless equal and full aileron deflection on the ground? Is this a new development? My Firefly with Rotax 503 has a lot of torque. In moderate to high cruise it did the same thing (would barely turn right. Adjusting the flaperon trim tab and riging some helped (left down; right up). If I power back to 45mph cruise, the problem disappears. Jim N. Idaho > > Anyway, this Mark IIIC will not turn right in straight and level cruise. > The stick moves easily to the left but takes two hands to move it a even > alittle bit to the right. If you put the plane in a climb or a descent, > it unloads the problem and allows the stick to move to the right. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark IIIC won't turn right in straight and level
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: May 22, 2007
Is it possible that the turn effort changes with speed? Since you mentioned that it is easier in a climb or descent, is it also a function of airspeed? Is it easier when flying slow, and harder when flying fast? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114244#114244 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Will it ever be done...
Date: May 22, 2007
Hang in there Dana, I know how you feel. denny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Will it ever be done... > > AAAARGH!!! > > As you may know, I bought an Ultrastar complete with enclosed trailer last > December a week before the airport it was located at closed. The US > needed maybe a day of work to get it flyable; the trailer was another > story... it had been used to store junk for the past 15 years or so while > the plane sat comfortably in a hangar. Pieces of rotted wood fell off the > trailer all the way home. > > I figured no big deal, how tough can a trailer rebuild be? Started > working on it as soon as it got warm enough, and months later, it still > seems endless. The big stuff, floor, sides, etc., went fast enough, but > night after night I'm fussing with details... ventilation yesterday, doors > the day before, tail boom support today and tomorrow, lights next... > endless $50 and $100 purchases from McMaster and the local hardware store > (my wife LOVES that part!)... then I have to get my tow vehicle running... > one of these months maybe I'll even be able to FLY the plane! > > If I had know how long it would take I'd have done the minor work to make > the plane flyable and at least put a few hours on it before bringing it > home... as it is making Homer's next month is seeming less and less > likely. > > Oh well, sorry, just needed to vent... I know it'll be worthwhile in the > end... but today I'm pretty tired. > > -Dana > -- > -- > Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? > > > -- > 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Duffney" <tnt1(at)rangebroadband.com>
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
Date: May 21, 2007
Howard, What made you go with the 3.47 box? I went with I think 2.62 on an e-box wwith a two blade taper -tip on a 503 DCDI. What is your rpm WOT straight and level? What would I gain with 3.47 gears on my Firestar II? Your advice always appreciated. Thanks Tim D. ----- Original Message ----- From: HShack(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly prop & others In a message dated 5/15/2007 11:54:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, etzim62(at)earthlink.net writes: But a two blade prop will out perform a three blade every time when everything is optimized, especially prop diameter and prop speed Outperform? What does that mean? I have a FS II, 503DCDI, 3.47:1 C Box, & 68" 3 blade Kiev prop; weight of plane is 470 [wet] & I was 275 when the following results were obtained: Outclimbed & outran 2 other FS II's; one was grossed same as mine & one 70 lbs lighter. Both had B boxes & with 2 blade props. The results were the same when I ran a 3 blade Warp, 68" w/ taper tips. YMMV Howard Shackleford FS II SC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 05/19/2006 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: May 22, 2007
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
In a message dated 5/22/2007 10:57:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tnt1(at)rangebroadband.com writes: Howard, What made you go with the 3.47 box? I went with I think 2.62 on an e-box wwith a two blade taper -tip on a 503 DCDI. What is your rpm WOT straight and level? What would I gain with 3.47 gears on my Firestar II? Your advice always appreciated. Thanks Tim D. When I bought my kit, I asked Dennis Souder what set-up he would recommend for best climb considering my weight [270 at the time]. The 3.47 box w/ Warp 3 blade, 68" taper tip is what he recommended. My WOT is 6500. I don't know that you would gain anything by changing your setup; my setup works for me, may not work for you. Is your plane heavy? What is your personal weight? Are you seeking more climb? Probably not worth the expense to change. I think most FSII's fly great no matter what the set-up. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Date: May 23, 2007
Subject: Re: FireFly prop & others
In a message dated 5/22/2007 10:43:13 PM Central Standard Time, HShack(at)aol.com writes: > My WOT is 6500. I don't know that you would gain anything by changing your > setup; my setup works for me, may not work for you. Is your plane heavy? > What is your personal weight? Are you seeking more climb? Probably not > worth the expense to change. > > I think most FSII's fly great no matter what the set-up. > > > Howard Shackleford > FS II > SC > > > Ive not seen anything mentioned about economy during this lengthy > prop discussion. Has anyone done a comparison on which prop gets the best > distance or mileage. Seems it is accepted that the 3 blade is smoother than > the 2 blade, but which would be best if you were going for a distance record on > Ed Diebel FF # 62


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Date: May 22, 2007
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Update #8 - 2007 Monument Valley Adventure
Weather, weather, weather. Seems like since we left Monument Valley 3 days ago we have had absolutely NO LUCK with the weather! Larry Cottrell, Jeff Warner and I left Sunday morning from MV, with Larry's wife Karen driving the chase car. Jeff is flying a 2-seat Drifter that he bought - and which was delivered to him at MV by BJ Moore, the builder. I've flown with Jeff for 18 years and know he's an outstanding pilot - but somehow the Drifter got away from him on take-off and he nearly crashed, actually going off the runway onto an embankment. Somehow he was able to muscle it into the air instead of crashing. He had a spare can of gas in the back seat, and when he hit the embankment the seat harness holding the can came loose...the can "walked" to the front of the seat and pressed against the stick, so he had no elevator controls. He was finally able to bring it down and land; after careful checking and adjustments, felt ready to fly again. We flew to Bullfrog, a small strip on Lake Powell to transfer gas, and then headed on to Wayne Wonderland airport. We needed gas,but there's none there - so I buzzed the town (at appropriate altitude) to try and entice someone out to the airstrip. No one came - but two boys on motorcycles, who had first wouldn't stop because they thought Jeff - in a army green flight suit - was a cop. They said they'd try and find someone to bring us gas. I walked out to the highway and flagged down the first pick-up truck I saw...which happened to be a county sheriff! He took me (with 4 gas cans) to get gas, and also asked me to send him info about ultralights because he's always wanted to fly! From Wayne Wonderland we flew high - at 9000', heading for Delta airport. It was VERY bumpy, with lots of life. I had a hard time staying below 10,000' and a few times wasn't successful. I'd be at 9800' or so, do a scan or two, look at my altimeter - and see I was down to 7500'. Very unnerving. This was a very, very rough leg, and we couldn't watch out for each other to be sure we were all together. (Larry and I stayed in radio contact, but Jeff was flying without a radio.) Larry and I landed at Delta together, but no Jeff. An hour later...then two hours later...then three hours later...no Jeff. Larry were getting worried, but I was sure that Jeff had set down somewhere. We finally heard from him by cell phone - he had been getting tossed around too much and decided he'd rather be on the ground. So he landed and waited until almost 7:30 p.m. to continue the flight to Delta. On Monday we left Delta bright and early. It was clear and gorgeous. The ONE day that I didn't call for a weather briefing...and the same day that Larry neglected to tell me that he'd been talking to a crop duster at Delta who said that a big storm was heading for Salt Lake City. Sure enough, we ran into it. Ten miles out of Tooele (just a few miles southwest of Salt Lake,) we heard that the weather at Toole was 1 mile visibility, light rain, and a ceiling of 3-400'. We decided to put down in a large pasture of bunch grass rather than continue on. 8:00 a.m. and our flying was over for the day; it rained the rest of the day. Today we were full of hope that we'd make it to the Cottrells by this evening. The weather briefing was positive for all along our route and the morning was very cold (about 32 degrees) but beautifully clear and calm. The first leg was to Wendover, UT/NV (the city is in both states,) and the flying was fantastic. We saw the Great Slt Lake, and flew over the Bonneville Salt Flats. Larry was about 4-6 miles ahead of me and Jeff. Jerf and I flew almost wingtip to wingtip, right on the deck, about 3' above the ground, doing brief touch and goes. It was a phenomenal experience that lasted for over 30 miles! At Wendover, Jeff discovered that a radiator bolt had worked its way out and hit the prop. In coming loose, it stripped the threads, so he borrowed a tool to tap new threads. Larry really wanted to get home, since John Hauck and John Williamson - who had been in Monument Valley - were supposed to fly into his place today. So he took off on his own, promising to follow the highway religiously. Karen followed him, and it took Jeff and I another 40 minutes to be in the air. The leg from Wendover to Wells, NV was every bit as bad as the leg to Delta. Poor Jeff!! He's never flown an open cockpit plane like the Drifter, and he was really getting an immersion! The turbulence was no fun at all, and the two mountain passes we had to go through loomed really high, as we both were having trouble climbing and staying high. We limped into Wells at 12:20 p.m., and there was Larry's Kolb. The weather was too bad for any of us to continue on. So now we're all motelling it for the night, planning on leaving early tomorrow morning and HOPING that the weather will cooperate for once! We really want to get further than the 150 or so miles a day we've done since we left Monument Valley! Arty www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flykolb" <flykolb(at)wowway.com>
Subject: State Trooper visit
Date: May 23, 2007
Thom "Anyway, when we walked back up to the cow-strip, a young NY State Trooper was inspecting the Allegro. Apparently, a trucker on the interstate thought I had crash landing or done an emergency landing and called the constables. After giving him IDs (he needed them for his report) and assuring him all was well I took off and headed home." This reminds me of an "adventure" I had. A friend in his Rans and I in my Mark III had just landed at my home base, a small grass field in Concord, NC. We stopped for a few minutes and I took off again to do some landings and takeoff. I was on downwind and looked down at the strip and saw several police cars and fire trucks. When I landed I found out some woman who lives across from the airport reported a plane crash. We both took off and looked around and there was no crash. She must have seen my Kolb with short landing capability and thought I had crashed. All was well! Jim - now in Michigan Mark III - still in NC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Home again
Date: May 23, 2007
Hi all, Karen and I arrived back home again this morning. I flew in from Wells Nev, arriving at 1045, Karen drove in around 1230. John H and W arrived two days earlier. Arty called and said that she was at Nampa, Idaho, and should be home tomorrow. With the weather the way that it has been I think that a covered wagon could have made as good a time. The storms were as regular as clock work. A lot of days we could only fly 110 miles a day. Larry, Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzim62(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: not kolb related - I promise that I will never undertake anything
as dangerous again
Date: May 23, 2007
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/15/ wgrylls15.xml ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-in to Homer's
Date: May 24, 2007
From: bklebon(at)aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net To: Kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sat, 5 May 2007 9:15 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Fly-in to Homer's Gentlemen, Just a reminder to mark your calendars for June 16th. to fly to Homer Kolb's farm for a homecoming get together. If you haven't been there before, I know you will enjoy the hospitality and get a chance to see Clara and Homer's beautiful farm where our aircraft where conceived and manufactured. Also hanging in the barn are Homer's earliest creations that got all this started. That is the Sat. of Fathers Day weekend. There is an ultralight fly-in at Footlight Ranch in York County, PA also known as Shreveport North, near Dillsburg that weekend for three days. Some of us will be going and camping there Sat. night after the get together at Homer's. A real good chance to meet many other ultralight pilots and share information. Hope to see you there. Will be giving out more information as we get closer to the date, Terry - FireFly #95 Those that said they are coming so far: Add your name if it's not listed. Gene Zimmerman John Hauck Wilmer Zimmerman John Murr Earl Zimmerman Eddy Zimmerman Luray Weachter Steve Green Ron - from Arizona? Thom Riddle Bob Bean Chuck ? Rick Klebon- From Salisbury, Maryland BKlebon(at)AOL.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2007
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Fly-in to Homer's
Gentlemen, Just a reminder to mark your calendars for June 16th. to fly to Homer Kolb's farm for a homecoming get together. If you haven't been there before, I know you will enjoy the hospitality and get a chance to see Clara and Homer's beautiful farm where our aircraft where conceived and manufactured. Also hanging in the barn are Homer's earliest creations that got all this started. That is the Sat. of Fathers Day weekend. There is an ultralight fly-in at Footlight Ranch in York County, PA also known as Shreveport North, near Dillsburg that weekend for three days. Some of us will be going and camping there Sat. night after the get together at Homer's. A real good chance to meet many other ultralight pilots and share information. Arrive in the morning and leave when you have to, but not before the "fine picnic" that Clara and family provides for us! I will be meeting any and all that want to fly with me as a group at "Smoketown Airport" that morning with the idea of lift off at 8:30 am. Hope to see you there!! Co-ordinates: N 40 deg 09' 36.3" Also you can check, Airnav.com for more information. W 075 deg 32' 46.6" Those that said they are coming so far: "Add your name if it's not listed". In another week or so I have to let clara and Homer know how many are coming so they can prepare for us. Gene Zimmerman John Hauck Wilmer Zimmerman John Murr Earl Zimmerman Eddy Zimmerman Luray Weachter Steve Green Ron - from Arizona? Thom Riddle Bob Bean Chuck Davis George Alexander Bill Varnes Alan Mancus Scott Olendorf Dave Kulp Dan Walter Rick Kelbon Bob Bennethum & Me Terry - Firefly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2007
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: MV
It was good meeting you, too, Doug. Many, many people owe a big thank you to Dave Rains this year, including me. And for last year, too, and the year before that. :-) Lar. On 5/21/07, Doug Wetzel wrote: > > > I have to say a big "thanks" to Dave Rains for providing airlift for my > father-in-law and me on Saturday morning. MV is spectacular from any > angle, > but it's something special from that air! > > Although we didn't stick around all day (other family commitments in > Mexican > Hat), this gathering is definitely on the schedule for next year. It was > good to put faces with all the list names I've been seeing for the past > five > years! > > Doug Wetzel > Salt Lake City > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2007
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Update #9 FINALLY Made It Home!
At 6:40 a.m. I buzzed our farm to let Norm know I was home, before heading to the airport. FINALLY - after 30 days "on the road" I am home! I last wrote Tuesday, from Wells, NV where we were forced to stop and spend the day (and night) due to high winds. Wednesday morning we were up early and at the airport agreed that Larry would fly west via Elko and Battle Mountain, NV to get to his home in southeastern Oregon , while Jeff and I would fly north into Idaho and then west to our homes in northwestern Oregon. It was VERY cold - a layer of frost on our wings and Jeff and I in our open cockpit Drifters were as bundled up as we could get. The flight from Wells north was through a wide valley - rolling land covered with sagebrush and a single road. We followed the valley north to the Snake River - and then turned and followed the river west. Green and fertile and lush...very different from the desert we've been seeing. After 5 hours of flying (with a refueling/breakfast stop) we landed at Caldwell, ID (outside Boise) to be greeted by my good friends - Drifter pilots Jean and Rob Allen, and Flightstar pilot Cathy Henry. By the time Jeff changed out his jets for lower altitude flying and I put on a new tailwheel (lots of taxiing on long, long runways had worn my to a nubbin) we decided that it made sense to spend the night with the Allens. Yesterday - Thursday - we left Caldwell. Smooth air and a screaming 30+ mph tailwind! A blanket of grey, high clouds prevented turbulence as we went over a section of the Blue Mtns. Only 20 miles to our first stop, and I felt the stinging of rain on my face. The rain built up - but visibility never decreased. At 16 miles out I was talking to myself. "You can do it...you can do it..." No danger by staying in the air, just very painful. Jeff has a full-face shield on his helmet and he said later than it didn't bother him. By the time we were ready to leave Baker City the rain had stopped, and we refueled and continued on to Hermiston. We had fairly smooth air as we went over another section of the Blue Mtns. Refueled at Hermiston and then took off. Or at least I did. Since Jeff doesn't have a radio, we sometimes lose track of each other although we try and stay in visual contact. I took off first, and set off on the track we'd agreed on. I didn't see him but that didn't concern me...he's got a lot more powerful engine and so he sometimes "plays around" as we fly, scooting low or going off a ways to to check things out , I was following the Columbia River to The Dalles, WA and it got pretty bumpy. Not scary - just work to keep as straight and level as possible. Beautiful rolling hills, brown everywhere except for the irrigated crop circles. I landed at The Dalles - but no Jeff. He got there almost an hour later. Apparently he had not one, but two engine outs as he tried to take off! In both cases he was over the runway and able to stop. He decided to change back to the old jets, and made it off safely. We agreed that from now on whomever was off first would circle and be sure that the other had gotten off too! We had been doing that almost the entire time - for some reason I hadn't on this leg. A case of get-home-itis? It was gusting to 18 mph at The Dalles, and by the time we refueled the wind sock was straight out. We hung out for a few hours hoping the wind would decrease, but checking the weather found it was expected to keep blowing until at least 11:00 p.m. So...although it was only 5 p.m. and we were only 1 hour from home (!) we knew we'd have to spend the night in The Dalles. This morning we were wheels off at 5:40 a.m. We had a blissfully smooth flight through the Columbia Gorge, and I was buzzing our farm by 6:40 a.m. while Jeff continued on to his home airstrip 20 minutes further south. It is SO GREAT to be home! In spite of weather and other aggravations, the joy and exhilaration of the trip definitely outweighed any negatives. Now I'm looking forward to flying up to Arlington, WA in July for the EAA airshow. Arty www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2007
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Update #9 FINALLY Made It Home!
Good on you for a great trip and commentary, Arty. It was good seeing you again at MV. Lar. On 5/25/07, TheWanderingWench wrote: > > thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> > > At 6:40 a.m. I buzzed our farm to let Norm know I was > home, before heading to the airport. FINALLY - after > 30 days "on the road" I am home! > > I last wrote Tuesday, from Wells, NV where we were > forced to stop and spend the day (and night) due to > high winds. Wednesday morning we were up ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: fixing tear in wing - duct tape solution?
From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 25, 2007
I have a couple of small holes in my FS II's wing. About the size of a half dollar. Is there any reason (besides not looking good) that duct tape cannot fix this? The tears are at the end of the wing tip area. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114827#114827 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2007
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: fixing tear in wing - duct tape solution?
I and some of my friends have used duct tape quite successfully to repair tears - two friends used yards for major rips (which I DON'T recommend.) Another option is to use sailcloth repair tape. It comes in many colors and doesn't detiorate over time, as duct tape does. Arty Trost --- John H Murphy wrote: > > > I have a couple of small holes in my FS II's wing. > About the size of a half dollar. Is there any reason > (besides not looking good) that duct tape cannot fix > this? The tears are at the end of the wing tip area. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114827#114827 > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Arksey(at)aol.com
Date: May 26, 2007
Subject: Re: Update #9 FINALLY Made It Home!
In a message dated 5/25/2007 6:39:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com writes: At 6:40 a.m. I buzzed our farm to let Norm know I was home, before heading to the airport. FINALLY - after 30 days "on the road" I am home! Good for you Arty, thanks so much for the trip info.....what a trip you had.... jim swan firestar ll 503 michigan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: The things you find on the hangar floor !
From: "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 26, 2007
Now who was it that wanted a twin engine Kolb ? Well OK, Not a twin but single engine driving twin props. Interesting eh ? David. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114888#114888 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/april07_026a_126.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: The things you find on the hangar floor !
At 05:15 AM 5/26/2007, David Lucas wrote: > >Now who was it that wanted a twin engine Kolb ? >Well OK, Not a twin but single engine driving twin props. Interesting... what is it, what's it for? -Dana -- -- Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2007
From: "Charles Davis" <ceddavis(at)gmail.com>
Subject: fixing tear in wing - duct tape solution?
John - google INTEX. They make swimming pools and parts, including patches for above ground pools. Before I got comfortable with fabric repair, I used a few of their "peel and stick" vinyl patches to repair a tear or two. 4 or 5 years latter, still going strong. The one I have is clear, so to visual impact is minimized. Chuck Firefly Subject: Kolb-List: fixing tear in wing - duct tape solution? From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com> I have a couple of small holes in my FS II's wing. About the size of a half dollar. Is there any reason (besides not looking good) that duct tape cannot fix this? The tears are at the end of the wing tip area. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114827#114827 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2007
From: Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>
Subject: Re: Update #9 FINALLY Made It Home!
TheWanderingWench wrote: > > >It is SO GREAT to be home! In spite of weather and >other aggravations, the joy and exhilaration of the >trip definitely outweighed any negatives. Now I'm >looking forward to flying up to Arlington, WA in July >for the EAA airshow. > >Arty > > > Arty, Wow, what an adventure! I have a friend that recently had to give up his single seat Drifter because of health issues. He helped me get started with my ultralight and I miss flying with him. I have been telling him of your adventure and we are both quite impressed. He really likes the paint scheme of your Drifter. A "little" different than his mostly black one. Thank you much for taking the time to share with us. Here I am concerned about our little hills in the east. It was a real impressive accomplishment on your part!!! Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: flight to MV
Date: May 26, 2007
I just finished the totals for the flight to Monument Valley via Deming New Mexico, from South Eastern Oregon. My flight was 2495.3 miles long, using 122.2 gallons of fuel @ $458.09 taking 39.1 hours of flying. Top speed of 106 MPH, slowest as seen on my GPS was 33 MPH. Maximum altitude was 10,107. This altitude was not intended, but the result of violent up and down drafts. We actually needed to maintain about 9000 feet to clear the mountain tops, but the winds were quite interesting to say the least. There were two areas after I left Arty at Wells, Nv. that I thought that I was going to have to taxi over the hwy passes rather than fly. I approached a Mt Pass between Wells, NV and Elko at about 2500 feet above the Mt Pass elevation. The closer I got, the bigger the down draft. Losing about 500 feet a minute. When I got to the point that I would have to abort the attempt, the down would stop and I would get some lift again. It is a bit interesting to be at full throttle, holding as much up elevator as you dare and still be sinking at 500 feet a min. I have to say that with only one exception, every one that I met on the trip was an outstanding individual and very helpful in the extreme. I really expected that most of the GA pilots and FBO's would have a bit of an attitude regarding us and our planes. I did not find that to be so. Of course Arty charmed every one that we met. Making things much easier. We really didn't meet any strangers at all. As far as the trip itself goes, it was interesting to say the least. If I were to do it again I would wait until the weather was a lot more settled. There were a lot of days that we got to fly very little due to the natural restrictions of the planes. 62 MPH with a headwind can be very tiring. I hate it when the bugs are on the trailing edge of my wing. It appeared to me that we had headwinds most of the way, but the Thunder storms were the worst. On the way back especially the storms would start popping by 10:00am. On the days that we could fly, we made excellent time. As for the Firestar itself, it was great. The toll on my plane from the trip, is a bit of damage to the gap seal on the aileron tubes where the Warp drive prop pulse hits the tubes, I lost some rivets in the enclosure due to the violent pounding that we took is some of the areas. ( a tool kit levitated over my shoulder to land in my lap on one of them) Also for what ever reason I seemed to have a prop blade rotate a bit. Now to be honest, I did set them before the trip, and I did torque them to specifications, and they did not vibrate until I left Wells,Nev. I also seem to have some problem with my remote antenna after Wells also. I of course had the antenna that comes with the unit, so it was a non event. I changed my plugs here after arrival and found that one of the rear plugs was fouled, and the others were coated with the lead from the AV gas to the point that the gap was significantly reduced. I had a total of 65 hours on the plugs. I could have cleaned them and reused them again if necessary. Of course I did not. I am very glad that I took the time to install my heater before I left. Wells Nev had a morning temp of 24 degrees. Arty may be able to take that kind of stuff, but I for one, prefer comfort to basic. I did find after I got home and went flying with John H and W that after taking off the rear wrap around part of the enclosure that I lost about 8 MPH by having it on. I couldn't have done without it on the trip though, I needed something to hold my stuff in the plane. Larry, Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fixing tear in wing - duct tape solution?
From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 26, 2007
Metal wings don't tear [Rolling Eyes] Regards, Dave Rains -------- Dave Rains N8086T Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115012#115012 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: The things you find on the hangar floor !
Date: May 27, 2007
Some innovative design work there. Nice engine mount. The engine is from the Daimler smart car, 3 cyl, 4 stroke , ??HP The problems of redrive and harmonics are well taken care of. Hard to transmit harmonics of any magnitude back through a belt that long. In addition the props are in cleaner air than if directly behind or front of the engine. The tail boom can be located directly behind the cabin even in pusher mode. looks like a kraut mind at work :} BB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The things you find on the hangar floor !
From: "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 27, 2007
Slick BB got it ! The engine was developed from the 'smart' city car, a 700cc 3 cylinder turbocharged engine producing around 80HP at 5250 RPM with a 2.1 : 1 reduction belt drive and its quiet ! http://www.ecofly.de/english.htm Thought it might be quite suitable for a Kolb, but it's also quite pricey at around 11,000 = US$ 14,500. Their flight tests say it equals or outperforms the Rotax 912 in all phases of flight. The win prop drive idea is for a pusher design the same guy was developing with the props out in clean air. I've added a phot from a brochure so it's not too good quality, just FYI. Now who was it that was going to put two engines on their Kolb ? David. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115042#115042 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fk_11_photo_1_187.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2007
From: Bob Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: The things you find on the hangar floor !
Several? couple? years ago I wondered whether an engine from a hybrid...either existing or a future one, would be suitable for a small /fat Ul/sport. Pretty soon they'll be in junk yards. Still thinking/wondering. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2007
From: "Rick Nelson" <geezer.nelson(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The things you find on the hangar floor !
Me too. Specifically, I have wondered about the three cylinder, 1.0 liter Honda engine from the Insight. A 650cc version was used in the Honda Beat, which was not available in the US. I can't find anything on the web that lists the weight of either engine. The 1.3 liter four cylinder used in the Honda Fit also looks interesting. Rick Nelson On 5/27/07, Bob Noyer wrote: > > Several? couple? years ago I wondered whether an engine from a > hybrid...either existing or a future one, would be suitable for a > small /fat Ul/sport. Pretty soon they'll be in junk yards. Still > thinking/wondering. > > regards, > Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb > http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2007
From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: flight to MV
Hi Gang: Landed and refueled at Kit Carson Airport, Burlington, CO, a few minutes ago. Wind 180, steady at 25 gusting to 35. After skirting a pararie (sp) thunderstorm, I decided to hit this field that I refueled at on the 2004 flight to Alaska. Have had a good time and flown 53+ hours so far. Forget how many miles. I lot of this time was pure pleasure flying with the gang. Wanted to make Neosho, MO, tonight, but doubt very seriously if I will. I am getting hit pretty hard with a quartering headwind. Not what I expected or wanted today. Spent the night at Walden Country Airport, CO, elevation 8,250 feet. Was a little chilly when I went to bed in my tent at 2030. Woke up during the night with some cold spots in a sleeping bag I had never had that problem before. The condensation on the tent walls from my breath had frozen inside the tent. Was the only moisture in the air. ;-) Pretty hot, tired, and boring about now. Will press on after I rest a bit. All in all has been a tremendous flight. Always great to see my old friends at MV and make new ones. Take care, john h mkIII (2,600+ hours) 912ULS (73+ hours) PS: Larry C - would have called last night, but cell phone bats were low. Did not want to get caught with no cell phone capability. I did get a call from John W before I got out of the plane at Walden County. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2007
From: Bob Noyer <a58r(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Warning, Non-Kolb/Non Flying
When Memorial Day Was Truly 'Decoration Day' By ROBERT 0. NOYER Now comes another federally mandated holiday, dedicated to the merchants of America. This holiday, conveniently hooked on to a weekend, allows us extra time off from our jobs so that we may celebrate The Memorial Day Sale, as well as get in a little extra time behind the wheel something we do all week anyway! A glance at the calendar sometimes shows two Memorial Days one "observed," the other just plain old Memorial Day. Can any of us remember when there was just one such day, and what was memorialized then? For many years, May 30 was set aside to honor the memories of fallen servicemen in all the wars. Many of the southern states have a different day, however the observance is the same. Perhaps it was a Virginia woman, Cassandra Oliver Moncure, a distant relative of mine, who during the War Between the States, first dedicated this day to the dead. In my family, and no doubt in many others, May 30 was called Decoration Day. On this day we went to the country cemeteries where our ancestors were buried, and clipped the new grass around the headstones, taking care to tweak the just-blooming peonies, and placing fresh-cut flowers from our own gardens in Mason jars on the family plots. My grandmothers always knew which graves might not be tended for lack of living relatives, and so brought flowers for these plots, tending them as well. As children, we were warned to never walk on a grave plot. And I remember more than 75 years ago the very small parades in these tiny country towns. The entire Boy Scout troop of seven, including what appeared to be the smallest Scout, carrying The Colors with 48 stars. A somewhat off-tune but determined Town Band wheezing out The Stars And Stripes Forever and My Country Tis Of Thee. Only a couple of very old Civil War veterans, riding in an open car, emblazoned with red, white and blue bunting, leading a few more from the Spanish- American War. And maybe a dozen from World War I ("The War to End All Wars"). Most of the veterans still had a piece or two of their old uniforms, and all had a few medals. Some of the World War "doughboys" had their odd flat-brimmed "tin hats" and tightly wound puttees, but all who marched did so in spite of age and pain. Each may have thought it might be their last time to follow the Flag. At Old Town Cemetery, all the old vets stood at attention, with the younger men at each side of the Civil War soldiers. The several widows, all in black, dotted the crowd of a couple of dozen, standing near a few graves. Three volleys were fired from two old hunting rifles. The preacher gave a long prayer, a wavering Taps was sounded by the silver cornet player of the Town Band, and the formal Decoration Day ceremonies were over. Later we entertained old friends with real home-cranked ice cream and chocolate cake while bringing back the memories of past times and the people in them. Perhaps it was Memorial Day after all. First published in The Winchester (VA) Star, 5/29/1999 Editorial ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fixing tear in wing - duct tape solution?
From: "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 27, 2007
if they do tear you cant fix them with duct tape and the rest of the plane wont be worth much I was only being funny, no insult intended. I have made field repairs to my Kolb with duct tape, and followed up with new fabric when convenient. Note: I don't think you have a very good understanding of certificated metal aircraft, or their worth [Wink] The engine alone in my Cessna would pay for a very nice MK III........... Best regards, Skeeter[/quote] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115114#115114 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: The FlagFly is sold.....
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Date: May 28, 2007
Gents, I Traded my FireFly this holiday weekend for a KitFox Speedster with a 912....It was an easy deal as I didnt ask too much boot from the KitFox Owner!!! hehe... Anyway, It was surely hard to let my baby go as it has given me such joy and alot more attention than I deserve. But, as my mission has changed, I believe the 2 seater will fullfill it well untill I get the next urge to change airplanes. (an affliction I havent seemed to be able to shake!) Travis and Donnie...Look for the new owner to contact you for a Kolb checkout, they are just a hour or so south of you in Tennessee. Maybe now, at its new Home, (KMOR) The FlagFly will finally be able to get to the Homecoming!.... AND.....In the future....if I cannot see well enough out of this KitFox, we will see how you might trade for a Mk3??????? And BTW Matt D...I probably wouldnt have considered the trade if you didnt have a Foxlist, as I consider matronics my go-to place for any knowledge I dont have....which is plenty! You perform a service to the Homebuild world second to none sir! -------- Don G. Central Illinois FireFly#098 Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115197#115197 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fixing tear in wing - duct tape solution?
From: "Wade Lawicki" <wlawicki(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 28, 2007
John, I do the RC stuff too and found that model monokote patches work great! had a few small holes on my FS 2 so I cut a few circles 1 inch bigger than than damage, used a small iron at low heat and started from the outside inward with great results and you can color match pretty well. Wade Nashville Tn. FS 2 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115205#115205 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: flight to MV-Larry C.
Date: May 28, 2007
From: "Gherkins Tim-rp3420" <rp3420(at)freescale.com>
Larry, That is interesting that you lost airspeed by completely enclosing the fuselage? Did I read that right?? You'd think that the enclosure would clean up the aerodynamics and increase your top speed. Does anyone else have any experience or data with this? I am currently building a rear enclosure for my Firestar to help gain a faster airspeed, or will I lose airspeed from it? Tim Gherkins FSII ________________________________ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: Kolb-List: flight to MV ..... . I did find after I got home and went flying with John H and W that after taking off the rear wrap around part of the enclosure that I lost about 8 MPH by having it on. I couldn't have done without it on the trip though, I needed something to hold my stuff in the plane. Larry, Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: flight to MV-Larry C.
Date: May 28, 2007
Hi, After flying better than 2000 miles with the enclosure on the rear on the trip, I am positive it wasn't a fluke. You see when John H and W as well as Roger got here, we put in better than 6 hours flying all over the area here. Head and tail winds of course mixed. My ground speeds were 6 to 8 mph faster, and the temps were still reasonable inside with the heater on, since the air seems to be pulled back into the cone of the enclosure. I know that I can smell gas when I refuel while I fly. If it were me and I decided that I wanted a rear enclosure, I would make a serious effort to keep it as clean and aerodynamic as possible, every thing tapered to the rear, including the area at the rear of the cage. I would still do a before and after test to see if it was worth it. The picture shows how the front enclosure looks. Larry, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight to MV-Larry C. Larry, That is interesting that you lost airspeed by completely enclosing the fuselage? Did I read that right?? You'd think that the enclosure would clean up the aerodynamics and increase your top speed. Does anyone else have any experience or data with this? I am currently building a rear enclosure for my Firestar to help gain a faster airspeed, or will I lose airspeed from it? Tim Gherkins FSII ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 4:17 PM To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: flight to MV ..... . I did find after I got home and went flying with John H and W that after taking off the rear wrap around part of the enclosure that I lost about 8 MPH by having it on. I couldn't have done without it on the trip though, I needed something to hold my stuff in the plane. Larry, Oregon href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The FlagFly is sold.....
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Date: May 28, 2007
Rgr that Richard....He is a great Guy...Ex DC-3 pilot who lost medical. I will give him your poop.....err...old poop that is!!!!..hehe -------- Don G. Central Illinois FireFly#098 Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115246#115246 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bourne" <gogittum(at)msn.com>
Subject: Uncle Craig
Date: May 28, 2007
"Uncle Craig," would you please contact me off List ?? Thanks Lar. Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WillUribe(at)aol.com
Date: May 28, 2007
Subject: flight to MV-Larry C.
Hi Tim, Sorry but the answer is yes, I fly slower with the full enclosure then when I fly with the half windscreen. I can't figure it out but it's true. One of my flying buddies has a Challenger with a 582. When I fly with the full enclosure I have a hard time keeping up with him but when I have the half windscreen I have no problem staying with him. He even commented he had a hard time catching up to me one time when I only had the half windscreen. Regards, Will Uribe FireStar II N4GU El Paso, TX Back home from watching, for two weeks, farm tractors being built. From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gherkins Tim-rp3420 Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: flight to MV-Larry C. Larry, That is interesting that you lost airspeed by completely enclosing the fuselage? Did I read that right?? You'd think that the enclosure would clean up the aerodynamics and increase your top speed. Does anyone else have any experience or data with this? I am currently building a rear enclosure for my Firestar to help gain a faster airspeed, or will I lose airspeed from it? Tim Gherkins FSII ____________________________________ From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: Kolb-List: flight to MV ..... . I did find after I got home and went flying with John H and W that after taking off the rear wrap around part of the enclosure that I lost about 8 MPH by having it on. I couldn't have done without it on the trip though, I needed something to hold my stuff in the plane. Larry, Oregon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: The FlagFly is sold.....
Date: May 28, 2007
Gonna miss ya Don, keep in touch. Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Kolb-List: The FlagFly is sold..... > > Gents, I Traded my FireFly this holiday weekend for a KitFox Speedster > with a 912....It was an easy deal as I didnt ask too much boot from the > KitFox Owner!!! hehe... > > Anyway, It was surely hard to let my baby go as it has given me such joy > and alot more attention than I deserve. But, as my mission has changed, I > believe the 2 seater will fullfill it well untill I get the next urge to > change airplanes. (an affliction I havent seemed to be able to shake!) > > Travis and Donnie...Look for the new owner to contact you for a Kolb > checkout, they are just a hour or so south of you in Tennessee. Maybe now, > at its new Home, (KMOR) The FlagFly will finally be able to get to the > Homecoming!.... > AND.....In the future....if I cannot see well enough out of this KitFox, > we will see how you might trade for a Mk3??????? > > And BTW Matt D...I probably wouldnt have considered the trade if you didnt > have a Foxlist, as I consider matronics my go-to place for any knowledge I > dont have....which is plenty! You perform a service to the Homebuild world > second to none sir! > > -------- > Don G. > Central Illinois > FireFly#098 > Luscombe 8A > > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115197#115197 > > > -- > 3:05 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Vance" <vances(at)infinet.com>
Subject: Kolb Firestar II For Sale
Date: May 28, 2007
Engine: Rotax 503, Dual Carbs, Single Ignition Prop: "Ultra Prop", Composite, 4 Blades Full Enclosure Folding Wings Electric Starter Streamline Struts Brakes Wing Tip Strobes 10 Gallons Fuel Stits Covering Custom Upholstered Seats E-Mailed photos available by request. Asking $8,500. Ken Vance Eaton, Ohio (Southwest Ohio, about 30 miles west of Dayton, Ohio) 937-456-9334 or vances(at)infinet.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Alvord flying videos
Date: May 29, 2007
Hi, Things seem a bit boring, so here are a couple of videos for you taken on the Alvord Desert. Larry, Oregon http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-291975136420718548 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8252079461989792144 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: bolts for props
Date: May 29, 2007
Ok, I need a bit of help regarding prop bolts. The ones in my plane are a 8.8 which is metric, right? Somehow I am having trouble believing a generic Metric bolt is the proper bolt for the job. I need to put a spacer between the warp and the drive. The trip to MV really beat up the aileron gap seal, and I could use some noise reduction. Someone please confirm that I can buy the 6 inch 8.8 metric at Nampa without committing suicide. Larry, Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bolts for props
Larry, 8.8 metric is the same strength as grade 5 except that 8.8 is an alloy steel fastener like grade 6 (AN bolts). They are very ductile, so as prop bolts they can absorb the stresses placed upon them. I recently had to call a prop maker to get their recommendation for bolts. Metric 8.8 or stainless steel were the only bolts they would recommend. Since the drive was threaded UNC I couldn't use 8.8, but commercial stainless was available and satisfied the prop maker even though the yield and ultimate strength were 40% less than 8.8 metric (but comparable to the stainless metric hardware). Rick On 5/29/07, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > Ok, I need a bit of help regarding prop bolts. The ones in my plane are a > 8.8 which is metric, right? Somehow I am having trouble believing a > generic Metric bolt is the proper bolt for the job. I need to put a spacer > between the warp and the drive. The trip to MV really beat up the aileron > gap seal, and I could use some noise reduction. Someone please confirm that > I can buy the 6 inch 8.8 metric at Nampa without committing suicide. > Larry, Oregon > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2007
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: bolts for props
At 11:01 PM 5/29/2007, Richard Girard wrote: >Larry, 8.8 metric is the same strength as grade 5 except that 8.8 is an >alloy steel fastener like grade 6 (AN bolts). They are very ductile, so as >prop bolts they can absorb the stresses placed upon them... An 8.8 metric bolt also alloy steel, and so is grade 5 and grade 8. AN bolts aren't grade 6 (there is no such thing, well actually there is but you'll never see one); they're simply AN bolts. Strengthwise they're equivalent to grade 5 but the quality control is much better than commercial grade 5 bolts. Tensile strength of an AN bolt is slightly better than a coarse thread grade 5 since the thread root diameter is slightly larger. I'm not thrilled with the idea of using a generic stainless metric bolt to hold a prop on, unless I saw the manufacturer's specs (since metric stainless fasteners aren't graded like the alloy steel ones are. -Dana -- -- Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bolts for props
Dana, When I was researching bolt characteristics, the varying grading bodies define both grade 5 and 8 as carbon steels, the 8.8 metric and grade 6 (read the dashes on the head, grade 5 has three, grade 6 has four, grade 8 has six) i.e. AN bolts, are listed as alloy steel. I did not go so far as to get the specific alloy, my memory from a recent class was one of the 4000 series alloys but I haven't confirmed that. As for the the stainless steel bolts, I used industrial grade bolts which are made to a standard and for which data was available to show that the bolts were equivalent to the metric bolts supplied by the prop maker (and are his standard bolt, by the way). Rick On 5/29/07, Dana Hague wrote: > > > At 11:01 PM 5/29/2007, Richard Girard wrote: > >Larry, 8.8 metric is the same strength as grade 5 except that 8.8 is an > >alloy steel fastener like grade 6 (AN bolts). They are very ductile, so > as > >prop bolts they can absorb the stresses placed upon them... > > An 8.8 metric bolt also alloy steel, and so is grade 5 and grade 8. AN > bolts aren't grade 6 (there is no such thing, well actually there is but > you'll never see one); they're simply AN bolts. Strengthwise they're > equivalent to grade 5 but the quality control is much better than > commercial grade 5 bolts. Tensile strength of an AN bolt is slightly > better than a coarse thread grade 5 since the thread root diameter is > slightly larger. > > I'm not thrilled with the idea of using a generic stainless metric bolt to > hold a prop on, unless I saw the manufacturer's specs (since metric > stainless fasteners aren't graded like the alloy steel ones are. > > -Dana > > -- > -- > Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check? > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carlo Tura" <ctura(at)politecnica.it>
Subject: Kolb Firestar II For Sale
Date: May 30, 2007
Dear Ken My name is Carlo Tura i=92m Italian - from Modena I have a Kolb MK II but I hav=92nt the manual or the instruction for use Is possible find this document? I pay for it Thanks _____ Da: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] Per conto di Ken Vance Inviato: marted=EC 29 maggio 2007 5.45 A: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Cc: ****spam**** [POPFile] Oggetto: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II For Sale Engine: Rotax 503, Dual Carbs, Single Ignition Prop: "Ultra Prop", Composite, 4 Blades Full Enclosure Folding Wings Electric Starter Streamline Struts Brakes Wing Tip Strobes 10 Gallons Fuel Stits Covering Custom Upholstered Seats E-Mailed photos available by request. Asking $8,500. Ken Vance Eaton, Ohio (Southwest Ohio, about 30 miles west of Dayton, Ohio) 937-456-9334 or vances(at)infinet.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tc1917" <tc1917(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: prop bolts
Date: May 30, 2007
okay, I am a novice talker so I need some clarification on this bolt talk. are you saying we MUST use only the 8.8 metric bolts for props supplied by the prop people (can warp supply these for us?) or CAN we use standard stainless bolts without any problem? Not a rocket scientist here so if someone could clarify for us dummies. I need to add an extension to my hub also (1/2 inch would do). thanks. ted cowan, alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Subject: q
Date: May 30, 2007
List There must be someone out there who's planning long XC flites -- (besides the two Johns) -- and I have last year's copy of the Aviation Atlas which I can give to him/her. This list all airports in the US, runways, freq's, FBO's, phone #s, distances to food, motels, etc etc. I'll send it to the first requester. Not much changes in a year; this will be a useful book. Russ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: prop bolts
Ted, Use what your prop maker recommends. My Warp Drive came with 8.8 metric bolts, my Power Fin came with stainless steel socket head cap screws, also in metric, and the Ritz prop on the Firestar uses AN bolts as does the IVO prop on the MiniMax. The only real rule I follow is, I do NOT, under any circumstances, use grade 8 bolts as prop bolts. They are far too brittle for the application. In the particular application I was speaking of, I found grade 8's threaded into an aluminum pulley. The threads were already cut (5/16-18 UNC), and I was stuck. I wouldn't sign off the annual and leave the grade 8's in place, so I had to come up with a replacement. The only other option would have been to tap the holes for thread inserts and make the threads metric that way. I found SS bolts at McMaster Carr that gave enough shank length so I could shorten the threads to end up with bolts that satisfied the prop maker's requirements. Rick On 5/30/07, tc1917 wrote: > > > okay, I am a novice talker so I need some clarification on this bolt talk. > are you saying we MUST use only the 8.8 metric bolts for props supplied by > the prop people (can warp supply these for us?) or CAN we use standard > stainless bolts without any problem? Not a rocket scientist here so if > someone could clarify for us dummies. I need to add an extension to my > hub > also (1/2 inch would do). thanks. ted cowan, alabama > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: prop bolts
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 30, 2007
Ted, Just a thought. The holes in your engine prop hub are metric. If you use standard bolts that fit that would give them some room to move. That is maybe why they all use metric. If you tighten these to MFG. specs at 175 in/lbs. then they will move when the props hammer down to a stop. When you tighten the 1/4" bolts on the prop hub itself they will need to be retorqued after you tighten the engine hub bolts at 175 in/lbs. The inner 1/4" prop bolts tightened to 120 in/lbs will be loose again. Call Warp Drive and see what bolt they recommend. When I replaced my engine 8.8 metric hub bolts on the Kolb I was able to find the indenticle bolt at an Ace Hardware. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=115550#115550 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Spence" <sspence801(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
Date: May 30, 2007
On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs. Life seems very good now. Steve Spence Auburn Hills, MI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Home Again From MV 2007
Date: May 30, 2007
Morning Gang: A short note to tell you all I arrived home safely, but tired, at 1625 yesterday. Flew 67.2 hours, 5,062 miles, in 15 days, burning 336 gal of av gas. Had a ball. Glad I got to visit and fly with you all again for one more year. Airplane did great, as did the new 912ULS that has 87.2 hours on it since installation last month. Broke a mounting tab on the STE exhaust system (same one that broke after the initial 35 hours in Dec 2005), but the system stayed in place with the one remaining mounting tab. John W experience the same failure with no problems. Gonna be a quick turn around to get ready for the flight to Homer Kolb's Flyin on 16 June. Here are a couple video clips Larry Cottrell took of my mkIII flying on the Alvord Dessert. We had a ball. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-291975136420718548 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8252079461989792144 john hmkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)" <travis(at)tnkolbaircraft.com>
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
Date: May 30, 2007
Steve This is great news. Keep us posted. Please post picture at your convenience. Travis @ Kolb ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Spence To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs. Life seems very good now. Steve Spence Auburn Hills, MI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Spence" <sspence801(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
Date: May 30, 2007
Travis & all: I'll take some pictures shortly which will display the aircraft complete with "N"# and placards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft) To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight Steve This is great news. Keep us posted. Please post picture at your convenience. Travis @ Kolb ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Spence To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs. Life seems very good now. Steve Spence Auburn Hills, MI href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: MV
Date: May 30, 2007
Hi All, We finally arrived home on Sunday after our 3 week jaunt around 6 States. Wendy and I both thoroughly enjoyed our couple of days at MV and would like to thank everyone for the warmth of our welcome. The evening sessions under the stars with the odd bottle of Dos Equis while the talk flowed were great. I was sorry not to see MV from a Kolb but by the time we arrived preparations were under way for the flights home with refuelling done and kit packed so it was understandable that pilots didn`t want to go joy riding. We were both very grateful for the flight around the area in the Cessna. Thank you Dave particularly as you had been flying Indian kids all day. What a spectacular place to fly.We appreciated it more I think because Lar had taken us out to Mexican Hat, the San Juan river and up a hair raising trail to the top of a mesa in his great truck in the morning so we had seen it from ground level.. I stand in awe at the sort of terrain you guys fly over and the distances you travel. Most of the way you would not have got me to fly anywhere but within landing distance of the road On the last morning we stopped for fuel before checking the airstrip so we just missed the drama of Jeff taking to the sage in his Drifter on take off. We did see the video though so may be it will turn up on YouTube??. We left after breakfast for Durango and the storm clouds were building up so we were worried about the weather that some people were flying into. Particularly when the Thunder Gods chased us off Mesa Verde with lightning and rain drops which seemingly held about a pint of water each. Our lasting impression is of the vast distances. When the Satnav in our car said `Turn left after 79 miles` and we could see the road stretching into infinity before us it really brought it home to us what a tight little island we live in. It also shed light on the way Americans come to England with the idea that they will `do ` England in 2 days, Scotland and Wales in one day each and then off to to Europe. Often in the States we drove a hundred miles and there was absolutely nothing to stop for. In the UK there is a village or something interesting about every half mile so anyone who is contemplating a trip to the UK, when the exchange rate improves, allow a bit of time and let us know. There is a bed here for visiting Kolbers. Thanks again to everyone and particularly to Big Lar who supplied us with maps and pages of fascinating and relevant information and suggested routes. Pat and Wendy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
Date: May 30, 2007
Steve Great! Get that plane in the air. Looking forward to seeing you at Michigan Flyins. Three flyins that were last year Uncle John's - Fathers day, Chesaning mid July, Purdy - mid Aug. No dates have been posted that I'm aware of or if they are even happening this year. If anyone knows let us know. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Spence To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs. Life seems very good now. Steve Spence Auburn Hills, MI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Spence" <sspence801(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: : Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight
Date: May 30, 2007
Father's Day at Uncle Johns (appears to be outside my 25 mi. radius) June 15 -17, MULA fly in @ Chesaning July 14 & 15 and Purdy Field fly in August 11. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight Steve Great! Get that plane in the air. Looking forward to seeing you at Michigan Flyins. Three flyins that were last year Uncle John's - Fathers day, Chesaning mid July, Purdy - mid Aug. No dates have been posted that I'm aware of or if they are even happening this year. If anyone knows let us know. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Spence To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Mk3Xtra ready for flight On May 24th at approximately 11:15 am, after the DAR and his supervisor from the FAA had gone over plane and paperwork for almost two hours, I received a pretty pink Special Airworthiness Certificate for N228EB, a 2001 Mark III X-tra with a 912-S. I still need to attach Aileron/Flap gap seals, tweek the Warp for full engine power and balance the carbs. Life seems very good now. Steve Spence Auburn Hills, MI href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: prop bolts
Date: May 30, 2007
Hi, I just got off the phone with Daryl at Warp drive about the prop bolts and the standards for them. He tells me that other than some zinc on them for corrosion, they are standard Metric bolts and the ones purchased at any of the auto parts stores will do the job. I shall do so this Friday. Larry C, Oregon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2007
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar(at)gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: MV
Thank you, Pat. It was a great pleasure to meet you and Wendy, and I enjoyed our travels together. Too bad you couldn't have spent more time, but sounds like you made the most of what you had. Lar. On 5/30/07, pat ladd wrote: > > Hi All, > > We finally arrived home on Sunday after our 3 week jaunt around 6 States. > > Wendy and I both thoroughly enjoyed our couple of days at MV and would > like to thank everyone for the warmth of our welcome. > > The evening sessions under the stars with the odd bottle of Dos Equis > while the talk flowed were great. I was sorry not to see MV from a Kolb but > by the time we arrived preparations were under way for the flights home with > refuelling done and kit packed so it was understandable that pilots didn`t > want to go joy riding. We were both very grateful for the flight around the > area in the Cessna. Thank you Dave particularly as you had been flying > Indian kids all day. What a spectacular place to fly.We appreciated it > more I think because Lar had taken us out to Mexican Hat, the San Juan > river and up a hair raising trail to the top of a mesa in his great truck in > the morning so we had seen it from ground level.. > > I stand in awe at the sort of terrain you guys fly over and the distances > you travel. Most of the way you would not have got me to fly anywhere > but within landing distance of the road > > On the last morning we stopped for fuel before checking the airstrip so we > just missed the drama of Jeff taking to the sage in his Drifter on take > off. We did see the video though so may be it will turn up on YouTube??. > > We left after breakfast for Durango and the storm clouds were building up > so we were worried about the weather that some people were flying into. > Particularly when the Thunder Gods chased us off Mesa Verde with lightning > and rain drops which seemingly held about a pint of water each. > Our lasting impression is of the vast distances. When the Satnav in our > car said `Turn left after 79 miles` and we could see the road stretching > into infinity before us it really brought it home to us what a tight little > island we live in. > > It also shed light on the way Americans come to England with the idea > that they will `do ` England in 2 days, Scotland and Wales in one day each > and then off to to Europe. Often in the States we drove a hundred miles and > there was absolutely nothing to stop for. In the UK there is a village or > something interesting about every half mile so anyone who is contemplating > a trip to the UK, when the exchange rate improves, allow a bit of time and > let us know. There is a bed here for visiting Kolbers. > > Thanks again to everyone and particularly to Big Lar who supplied us with > maps and pages of fascinating and relevant information and suggested routes. > > Pat and Wendy > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DBforfun(at)aol.com
Date: May 30, 2007
Subject: Re: prop bolts
Does someone know the thread pitch for the metric prop bolts? Thanks In a message dated 5/30/2007 3:04:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Hi, I just got off the phone with Daryl at Warp drive about the prop bolts and the standards for them. He tells me that other than some zinc on them for corrosion, they are standard Metric bolts and the ones purchased at any of the auto parts stores will do the job. I shall do so this Friday. Larry C, Oregon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)msbit.net>
Date: May 30, 2007
Subject: Re: prop bolts
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) > > Does someone know the thread pitch for the metric prop bolts? Depends on the diameter.... http://www.precisionscrewandbolt.com/metric.htm Metric grade 8.8 are 85kpsi proof and 120kpsi tensil, similar to SAE Grade 5 specs.. Jim Baker 580.788.2779 Elmore City, OK ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2007
From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: prop bolts
The 8mm bolts used with Rotax gearboxes are 1.25 mm pitch. Rick On 5/30/07, Jim Baker wrote: > > > > > > Does someone know the thread pitch for the metric prop bolts? > > Depends on the diameter.... > > http://www.precisionscrewandbolt.com/metric.htm > > > Metric grade 8.8 are 85kpsi proof and 120kpsi tensil, similar to > SAE Grade 5 specs.. > > > Jim Baker > 580.788.2779 > Elmore City, OK > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kolb List: New Possum applicant- ?
Got a new yearling. Almost ready for her first interview. Down here, you got to get them before the're 16 by then the good ones are divorced and have two or three kids (you know what I mean ?) ----------------------------------------------------------- Deer Sir, I waunt to apply for the jobwhat I saw in the paper. I can Type real quik wit one finggar and do sum a counting. I think I am good on the phone and I am a pepole person, Pepole really seam to respond to me well. Im lookin for a Jobb as a but it musent be to complicaited - is being a possum hard? I no my spelling is not to good but find that I Offen can get a job thru my persinalety. My salerery is open so we can discus wat you want to pay me and wat you think that I am werth, I can start imeditely. Thank you in advanse fore yore anser. hopifuly Yore best aplicant so farr. I love little Bosco. Sinseerly, Peggy May Starlings Hayhira Ga. PS : Because my resimay is a bit short - below is a pickture of me taken at my last jobb. . [] Dear Peggy May, It's OK honey, we've got spell check ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: English/American
Date: May 31, 2007
Hi All, some people at MV and several on this list have commiserated with me about the restrictions which are placed on us in the UK and the hoops i am having to jump through to get my plane back in the air. As it happens there is an interview witgh Francis Donaldson, the Chied Engineer of the PFA in this months Flyer whic explains the difference in approach. Also a couple of general points.Also bear in mind that we are talking general homebuilts here, not just ultralights. And I quote 16 years ago the PFA had 800 a/c on the books for which they issued annual permits. Now there are 2,200 Permit a/c which are certificated annually and more than 100 new projects building every year. Question. You have refused several types a Permit although they are common in the USA. Why is that? Answer. There is a huge difference between the USA and the UK. Over there the builder takes much more responsibility for the a/c even after it is sold. The reason why some homebuilts are broken up rather than sold complete by the builder. In the UK the PFA takes that liabilty off the builders shoulders. Because of this I have to consider not just the builder, who may be quite capable of dealing with some aspects of the handling- but also all of those who may own the a/c. after him. How about accepting an a/c by the PFA. When I took over I found that several types had been approved apparently on the basis of people taking glowing reports of foreighn a/c as being accurate. People took a lot of trouble getting these planes approved by the PFA only to find that ther handling was diabolical. There is now an independent check at the very start of the process to stop every one wasting their time and money on a lemon. End. Incidentally `deregulation` is now a fact over here. This means thjat an ultralight weighing less than 115kg empty, with a single seat and a wing loading of less than 10kg per sq metre. This it is hoped will rejuvenate manufacturers or importers to bring in types from abroad. There are less hurdles as there is no lengthy airworthiness process to go through. Safety will be the resposibility of the importer.. This certainly means that the Firefly will now become a front runner. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: English/American
Date: Jun 01, 2007
Does the UK allow for UL un-certificated pilots and the UL vehicles to go without annual condition inspection?>> Hi Thom, There is no such thing as an un-certificated pilot here. A Pilots licence normally allows flying a plane up to a certain weight. Below the Ultralight weight limit of 450 k there are certain allowances and a microlight licence will not entitle piloting a GA machine. Most of the requirements are the same as a normal PPL and you will have to do Air Law, Met. Navigation etc in the same way but the exam is to a slightly lower level than a PPL The full rules for the deregulated ultralight don`t seem to have been made public yet, or at least I haven`t read them. The authorities announced 3 weeks ago that SSDR (Single Seat Deregulation) would come into force at `the end of the year.` Due to the efforts of the BMAA (British Microlight Assoc) this has been pushed forward to NOW. This probably means thjat the Kolb Firefly is the only one which is already on the market here through Mike Moulai , Silver Fern Microlights, the distributor for kolb in UK and Europe.. This was already on display by Mike at our biggest indoor flying Expo last December. Cosmik Aviation are apparently talking about the 3 axis Quicksilver MX Sport. HOT NEWS. I have read to the end of the article and apparently full rules are on the BMAA website.Google will find it. I have not checked but I would be surprised if we were to start having unlicensed pilots and/or planes in our skies. There is however talk of an Experimental Category similar to yours being set up. Don`t hold your breath, although I must confess to being amazed that we have come so far so quickly. This to a large extent has come about in an effort to have common rules throughout Europe. Each countries manufacturers have until now had to get a plane through its own countries hoops and then all the other countries as well. Although our Section `S` is well regarded as a bench mark. We are not there yet but the rules are sort of converging so that a manufacturer can build a machine which will be accepted throughout Europe. That really opens up the market. I didn`t mention in my post the angst which our PFA Chief Engineer had to go through as he explained to a nice old chap, over tea and cucumber sandwiches naturally, that the plane on which he had lavished hundreds of hours of work and a pile of money was a flying coffin fit only for the scrap heap. Thats when he earns his money. The regs we have are a pain in the butt but a first time builder can be confident that with an approved kit, the building of which has been checked by (Volunteer, unpaid) inspectors and on which the test flying has been properly conducted will not bite him. It will not vicously drop a wing when stalled. The engine will not die from fuel starvation during a full throttle climb out. In fact if he has trouble it is probably the pilot , not the plane. More importantly perhaps the guy with little experience who buys it second or third hand can be equally confident that basically the design and build is sound and he can sell it without the possibility of being sued if things go wrong. Woe betide him however if he has introduced an un approved mod, changed engines for instance. He will be in deep doo doo. with no insurance as the least of his worries. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: MV 2007 Movie and Photos
At 12:58 AM 6/1/2007, you wrote: > >For those interested, here is a Window Media Player movie. It is >7.39MB in size. Sorry in advance for our dialup Kolbers. > > >I have another video of Flight Ops at MV but can't figure out a way >to post it since it is 13.1MB. I don't want to use YouTube, it ruins the view. Google Video is a little better sometimes: http://video.google.com/videouploadfinished?docid=4526451534136564796&cid=21a5d72dfc673d1c ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2007
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: MV 2007 Movie and Photos
At 01:09 PM 6/1/2007, you wrote: > >At 12:58 AM 6/1/2007, you wrote: >> >>For those interested, here is a Window Media Player movie. It is >>7.39MB in size. Sorry in advance for our dialup Kolbers. >> >> >>I have another video of Flight Ops at MV but can't figure out a way >>to post it since it is 13.1MB. I don't want to use YouTube, it ruins the view. > >Google Video is a little better sometimes: Or try this link - sorry: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4526451534136564796 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The FlagFly is sold.....
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Date: Jun 02, 2007
Richard Pike.....How do I get in touch with you? -------- Don G. Central Illinois FireFly#098 Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116029#116029 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Shimei" <mshimei(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Wanted older 5 rib firestar or ultrastar wings
Date: Jun 02, 2007
If you have any,or know of any,e-mail me .THX mshimei(at)bellsouth.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MV 2007 Movie and Photos
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: Jun 02, 2007
Here is a link to the MV2007 Flight Ops movie. It is a 17.5MB file intended to run in Windows Media Player, it might take a while for some to download or run. http://www.Texas-Flyer.com/images/MV2007_Flight_Ops.wmv Thanks go to Robert Laird for loading the movie on his server. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116091#116091 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MV 2007 Movie and Photos
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 02, 2007
Thanks for posting the videos and the pictures, they were great ! I have followed every flight on your web page, hope to be doing the same thing myself soon. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116102#116102 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us>
Subject: MV 2007 Movie and Photos
Date: Jun 02, 2007
John, Curious what you shot the video with? (Am kind of in the market for some new toys... Jeremy ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MV 2007 Movie and Photos
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com>
Date: Jun 02, 2007
Jeremy and All, Photos and movies for the last 10 months have been done with a Canon S2 IS, 5.0 Mega Pixel camera. It has taken me until now to figure out how to do manual focus to keep things as they should be. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116108#116108 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fly-by
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Jun 02, 2007
Here is a link to a nice sounding John H. flyby from last weekend at the Alvord. My wife Dayna ran the sound board. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jfWIjFYDYA#GU5U2spHI_4 Enjoy, -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503


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