Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-hn
May 21, 2008 - June 18, 2008
Haven't heard from you lately.
Stan
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
At 10:24 PM 5/21/2008, possums wrote:
>You can ....if the tee is below the (bottom) of the tanks.
>You could hook up ten tanks that way, and never suck up any air.
>Physics 101, fuel is heaver than air.
Not necessarily... if there's any restriction in the tank, like an in-tank
filter or even enough hose, and if the pressure drop from that restriction
is greater than the pressure due to gravity at the tee, then it'll suck air
from an empty tank feeding the tee.
-Dana
--
Lottery: a tax on the mathematically challenged.
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| From: | neilsenrm(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar? |
Don
I have never seen the Valley engine run or any details but it does use the same
type of redrive as I use on my VW. I think you were snooker-ed a bit. Without
the prop most any engine will be smooth. Seems like you were the one that told
me the valley engines had the flywheel trimmed a bit. I agree that doesn't seem
to be a good move but maybe they had major weight issues? I would think their
engines could be had in any level of modification. I would also think they
would sell just the redrive if you wanted.
I did like the carb heat system that the buckeye engine uses. I also checked the
belt tension and it was VERY tight. You would know more about that being a issue
than me but it concerned me. It did sound like the Buckeye engine package
was being developed by a company other than Byckeye? I sure would like to hear
how smooth the package is with a prop on it.
Both engine packages would seem to need a custom mount to keep the thrust line
down low enough to be usable on a Firestar. Kolb was very willing to develop a
engine mount from my specifications. Maybe someone could incurage Kolb to build
a Genrec mount for their new Firestar.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Rick,
> the weight of the Buckeye engine and redrive is 100 lbs...
> The Generac engine they are using not near as modified as the one Gene and Larry
> were using on the legal Eagle, and the Backyard flyer as I saw it last., Now
I
> am not sure what the "state of modification" of the one on this new plane they
> have now as all I have seen is the Utube video...but it looks like it flys
> really well...
> On a personal note, I didnt like some of the mods they did on those first
> engines, other than the carb, which was OK by me. But I am certain the other
> mods they did basically to loose weight would be detrimental to the life of the
> engine.
> As far as Smooth..again I dont know what the Smiths latest design is for sure,
> but Buckeyes is truly smooth as silk! I held my Hand on it the other day with
no
> prop installed as we ran it up and it is perfectly smooth, so smooth in fact
the
> vibration testing gear I brought along to check it with, just stayed in the
> truck..there was no need. compared to a Rotax...its a sewing machine..
> One of the amazing things about Buckeyes package is, it is APPROVED by Generac,
> and they have been in close contact with the company in the development of this
> project as a direct OEM account. This is NOT a "rebel installation" as we call
> them in the biz.
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184266#184266
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Don
I have never seen the Valley engine run or any details but it does use the
same type of redrive as I use on my VW. I think you were snooker-ed a bit. Without
the prop most any engine will be smooth. Seems like you were the one that
told me the valley engines had the flywheel trimmed a bit. I agree that doesn't
seem to be a good move but maybe they had major weight issues? I would think
their engines could be had in any level of modification. I would also think
they would sell just the redrive if you wanted.
I did like the carb heat system that the buckeye engine uses. I also checked
the belt tension and it was VERY tight. You would know more about that being
a issue than me but it concerned me. It did sound like the Buckeye engine package
was being developed by a company other than Byckeye? I sure would like to
hear how smooth the package is with a prop on it.
Both engine packages would seem to need a custom mount to keep the thrust
line down low enough to be usable on a Firestar. Kolb was very willing to develop
a engine mount from my specifications. Maybe someone could incurage Kolb to
build a Genrec mount for their new Firestar.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
donghe@one-eleven.net>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don
G" <DONGHE@ONE-ELEVEN.NET>
>
> Rick,
> the weight of the
Buckeye engine and redrive is 100 lbs...
> The Generac engine they are
using not near as modified as the one Gene and Larry
> were using on the
legal Eagle, and the Backyard flyer as I saw it last., Now I
> am not
sure what the "state of modification" of the one on this new plane they
>
have now as all I have seen is the Utube video...but it looks like it flys
> really well...
> On a personal note, I didnt like some of the
mods they did on those first
> engines, other than the carb, which was
OK by me. But I am certain the other
> mods they did basically to loose
weight would be detrimental to the life of the
>
engine.
> As far as Smooth..again I dont know what the Smiths latest design is for sure,
> but Buckeyes is truly smooth as silk! I held my Hand on it the other day with no
> prop installed as we ran it up and it is perfectly smooth, so smooth in fact the
> vibration testing gear I brought along to check it with, just stayed in the
> truck..there was no need. compared to a Rotax...its a sewing machine..
> One of the amazing things about Buckeyes package is, it is APPROVED by Generac,
> and they have been in close contact with the company in the development of this
> project as a direct OEM account. This is NOT a "rebel installation" as we call
> them in the biz.
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online
here:
min. <
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
At 11:32 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote:
>At 10:24 PM 5/21/2008, possums wrote:
>
>>You can ....if the tee is below the (bottom) of the tanks.
>>You could hook up ten tanks that way, and never suck up any air.
>>Physics 101, fuel is heaver than air.
>
>Not necessarily... if there's any restriction in the tank, like an
>in-tank filter or even enough hose, and if the pressure drop from
>that restriction is greater than the pressure due to gravity at the
>tee, then it'll suck air from an empty tank feeding the tee.
>
>-Dana
>--
> Lottery: a tax on the mathematically challenged.
Only if the restriction is more than ..... 1 gallon a minute. We are
only feeding a tank here.
>BTW - Lottery: next is 3 22 30 31 44 48 - Fanisty5
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
At 01:23 AM 5/22/2008, you wrote:
>At 11:32 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote:
>>At 10:24 PM 5/21/2008, possums wrote:
>>
>>>You can ....if the tee is below the (bottom) of the tanks.
>>>You could hook up ten tanks that way, and never suck up any air.
>>>Physics 101, fuel is heaver than air.
>>
>>Not necessarily... if there's any restriction in the tank, like an
>>in-tank filter or even enough hose,
Then the other tanks will dump fuel into the system.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
At 01:23 AM 5/22/2008, possums wrote:
>Only if the restriction is more than ..... 1 gallon a minute. We are only
>feeding a tank here.
Restriction isn't measured in flow rate; restriction produces a pressure
drop at a given flow rate.
At 1 gpm, the pressure drop through a 5/16" hole is the same as the head
pressure of 4" (0.104psi). Thus if you have an empty tank teed into a fuel
line and the tee is 4" below the liquid level in the tank, it'll start
sucking air from the empty tank. At 4 gph (more reasonable), it'd take a
.082 hole to get that pressure drop. Now I hope you don't have a .082 fuel
passage, but all the restriction is cumulative, so if you have a long hose,
a filter, some elbows and valves... I'll keep the aux tank feeding into the
top of my main tank, thanks.
-Dana
--
Income tax: capital punishment.
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| From: | "Mark" <mshimei(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | 4 stroke in a kolb |
I have been working on a Generac conversion for my Ultrastar for
several months now. I had to rebuild the cage and am working on a motor
mount to use a direct drive version that hand props to start. There is
one currently flying in a thunder gull in Illinois with 30+ hours now.
The engine will weigh the same as the Cuyuna that was removed with 5
more Hp. I would have more progress,but I am taking care of a sick
parent(who wants to see my lawnmower engine plane fly). Mark in Florida.
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
You can ....if the tee is below the (bottom) of the tanks.>>
My tanks feed fuel from the top. The air breather is also teed to both
tanks and tapped into the handles. Now what?
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ciikie salute! |
Agreed! But if I had all that going for me, I'd be grinning like a
fool! I was just (jokingly) pointing out that he wasn't smiling in
the ciikie (cookie) photo. (Man! I hate explaining a joke!)
-- Robert
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:43 PM, possums wrote:
>
> At 02:40 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> What I want to know is, why was John so happy? ;-)
>
> I'm assuming your talking about John H.
>
> He's single, he's retired, he get's paid every month (for serving our
> country - not
> enough, in my opinion) his kids, if he has any, must be grown by now, he has
> a "girlfriend"
> when he wants one, he plays with his airplane when the weather is good (or
> not)
> he plays with his tractors, he plays with his fifth wheeler, he plays
> ............ what's to know?
> If he gets bored he tries to kill himself by flying to Alaska and back
> again.
> Wish I could do what he does, but I'm too much of a pu-sy.
> Or maybe I'm not old enough yet - this, like golf, seems to be an
> old mans game. Good,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I've got something to look forward to!
>
>
--
Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er, um....
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
Is yours a Gravity feed?>>
Hi,
No. Tanks are a couple of feet below the engine. Pick up is from the
top of the tanks and the balancing air inlets are grommet push fit into
the handles. Fuel is drawn equally from both tanks. If I add a third
tank, feeding fuel into the same pick up line and adding a tee to the
same air line there would be no more chance of sucking air than already
exists. They will all empty together (roughly). I assume that I should
have to install the tank at the same level as the existing ones?
If I can do this it saves all the problems of transfer of fuel.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar? |
Rick, Yes you are right, induced vibration from a propeller will make any engine
seem to vibrate more than with the prop off...BUT...what I am talking about
here is engine vibration, generally measured in the X, Y, and Z axis on the engine
only. These are much higher frequency vibes and can be very detrimental to
an airframe. You simply cannot determine the vibration level of the engine with
a prop...or anything attached to the pto. This has been a concern of anyone
using a industrial V-twin with a redrive on it...the engine vibration.
The progress of the development of any package like this must be first examined
with nothing on the PTO/crank....then as you move on to attaching props and things,
you discover which propmakers really know how to balance a prop...or a
pulley or a shaft or a whatever the driveline consists of, and then address that
separately. Then you deal with the "driveline induced vibrations"
I know Buckeye has a whole pile of props from different manufacturers, they have
been testing, including 2, 3 and 4 blade designs, and he did express some remorse
with a particular mfgs props, saying that the differences in 6 in a row
of theirs were more than the differences in all the mfgs put together! Since this
tidbit is second hand information, I wont be naming names.
I also know there are some really hard to track vibes that come from a prop/redrive/piston
engine combination, as anyone who has fooled around with different
combinations has experienced. This has to do with piston power pulses/ number
of blades/ moments of inertia and prop length and reduction ratios. Some call
it torsion resonance and I have heard it described a number of ways. Basically
alot of fellas just lump all these things together, and call it engine vibration,
but when you are trying to reduce these inertias, you must address them
all separately.
To speak to you wish about wishing to see it with a prop on it...I have seen it
in a with only a couple of different props...some of them were smooth as silk...and
some of them were just terrible! I didnt get to see the 4 blade powerfin
run on it, but their description was "so shockingly smooth we couldnt believe
it."
BTW, for you guys thinking about the technicals of this...the redrive ratio is
2.25 to 1 and they are swinging a 2 blade 74 inch prop, among others..
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184353#184353
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody heard from Beauford lately? |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Stan:
Nope, but got to visit with him last month at S&F.
John W and I are still in Ontario, OR. The wind is still howling at 30 to 40+
mph. Looks like it will until tomorrow morning. We are in a comfortable FBO,
sleeping in our tents at night. Temps into the very low 40's. The Kolbra and
mkIII are chained down on the flight line. We have had a courtesy car since
we arrived, food is good, and the FBO is very friendly. Got some old characters
around here refurbishing war birds and others to keep us entertained.
Roger H, Grants Pass, OR, trailered his Kolb to Larry C's yesterday. The winds
at Larry's, a hundred miles south, are the same ast they are here.
John W and I had an exciting day flying the back country airstrips from Mackay,
ID, day before yesterday. Was easy to pump adrenalin on that flight. ;-)
john h
mkIII - Smiling in Ontario.
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184372#184372
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| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
You guys are starting to make me want to intall an inflight Refuling resepti
cal too.. hahahahahaha
Any =C2-FAT ULs out there sporting a Tail a BOOM =C2-hahahaha 8-)
Guys
Im transfering 5 Gallons via a Fauset =C2-to the Main tank...8-) =C2- KI
SS ...=C2-
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, 22 May 2008 7:05 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
At 01:23 AM 5/22/2008, possums wrote:
Only if the
restriction is more than=C2- ..... 1 gallon a minute. We are only
feeding a tank here.
Restriction isn't measured in flow rate; restriction produces a pressure
drop at a given flow rate.
At 1 gpm, the pressure drop through a 5/16" hole is the same as the
head pressure of 4" (0.104psi).=C2- Thus if you have an empty tank
teed into a fuel line and the tee is 4" below the liquid level in
the tank, it'll start sucking air from the empty tank.=C2- At 4 gph
(more reasonable), it'd take a .082 hole to get that pressure drop.=C2-
Now I hope you don't have a .082 fuel passage, but all the restriction is
cumulative, so if you have a long hose, a filter, some elbows and
valves... I'll keep the aux tank feeding into the top of my main tank,
thanks.
-Dana
--
=C2-Income tax: capital punishment.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 4 stroke in a kolb |
At 08:06 AM 5/22/2008, Mark wrote:
>I have been working on a Generac conversion for my Ultrastar for several
>months now. I had to rebuild the cage and am working on a motor mount to
>use a direct drive version that hand props to start. There is one
>currently flying in a thunder gull in Illinois with 30+ hours now. The
>engine will weigh the same as the Cuyuna that was removed with 5 more Hp....
Same weight as the Cuyuna? I though the Generac conversion was around 120
lbs, isn't it? The Cuyuna is 69 without the redrive. If it's really that
light it could be a great engine for that class of aircraft.
Any pictures?
-Dana
--
"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the
support of Paul."-- George Bernard Shaw
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 4 stroke in a kolb |
Hi Mark,
Interesting project. Question - did your Cuyuna have any type of
reduction drive - belt, gear box, etc.
Problem is to get the HP your have to turn RPM - turning a prop that
fast normally reduces its efficiency. Like to hear more, good or bad
as you progress. I hope this works for you. I used to have a
FireFly, now I presently have a Hawk flying and Gull under slooow
construction. Looking for more fuel efficient engine.
jerb
At 07:06 AM 5/22/2008, you wrote:
>I have been working on a Generac conversion for my Ultrastar for
>several months now. I had to rebuild the cage and am working on a
>motor mount to use a direct drive version that hand props to start.
>There is one currently flying in a thunder gull in Illinois with 30+
>hours now. The engine will weigh the same as the Cuyuna that was
>removed with 5 more Hp. I would have more progress,but I am taking
>care of a sick parent(who wants to see my lawnmower engine plane
>fly). Mark in Florida.
>
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wing problem |
Pat- Did you fix your wing problem yet, and have you test flown it
again?>>
Hi Bill,
Yes thanks. I reversed the swivel fitting on the port wing attachment
enabling me to lower the trailing edge a bit more. This seems to have
done the trick. I got in a nice 80 minute cruise around the area the
night before last. Quiet evening, the wind finally changed from about 15
mph across the strip which I didn`t think I could handle at the moment
to about 5 mph straight down the runway. There was about12 mph when I
got to 1500 ft.
I still have the Hauk designed bungy trim on the stick but as she will
fly at 70mph at 2650revs hands off I think that will do nicely.
Thanks everybody for their suggestions.
Cheers
Pat.
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| From: | "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 4 stroke in a kolb |
MARK PLEASE KEEP US POSTED ,SOUNDS INTERESTING, TRAVIS.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark
To: 'Kolb List'
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:06 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: 4 stroke in a kolb
I have been working on a Generac conversion for my Ultrastar for
several months now. I had to rebuild the cage and am working on a motor
mount to use a direct drive version that hand props to start. There is
one currently flying in a thunder gull in Illinois with 30+ hours now.
The engine will weigh the same as the Cuyuna that was removed with 5
more Hp. I would have more progress,but I am taking care of a sick
parent(who wants to see my lawnmower engine plane fly). Mark in Florida.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | 2 new Kolb Owner/Pilots |
Congrats to 2 new Kolb Pilots/Owners in Tennessee!
Bradley Stump of Harrison TN, Flew his newly completed MK-3X, (70HP
Hirth) out of his home base of Cleveland TN last week. A successfull
1st Flight.
David Meyer had his Newly aquired MK-3C (Rotax 582) airborne last
weekend at his home Base of KSRB, (Same airport I`m based at).
Both Pilots are lurkers to this list... CONGRATS GUYS!!
Jim
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar? |
Don
I agree 100% I just assumed that the engine package had been developed. Also
thought that the engine would have been balanced at the factory. Do they
fine tune the factory balance. Props also need to be balanced and redrives
sometimes need to be tuned for different props. My point is/was that with
out the prop you aren't seeing the interaction of the engine/redrive/prop.
The guy that was showing and flying the Buckeye at Sun N Fun talked about a
change in exhaust systems due to cracking. I assumed it was due to
vibrations but???? Sounds like it might be a smooth running package but?
Again this engine sounds like a potential option for a Firestar. At 2GPH the
fuel burn is super. It is hard to believe that the Genrac will perform as
well a Rotax 503 even with a redrive but with the thrust figures you are
reporting it sure would be interesting. The Buckeye at Sun N Fun was
swinging a two bladed wood 74? inch prop. One would need to configure the
installation of the engine to allow clearance for a prop that long to get
the thrust your talking about. Most of our members end up flying one of the
three bladed composite props for durability and would see less thrust with
the extra blade and shorter length.
I really like seeing computation for Rotax. Their prices have gotten way out
of hand . The HKS is widely talked about and a few of our members are flying
them but they are also very expensive.
Sure would like to see someone try it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:03 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar?
>
> Rick, Yes you are right, induced vibration from a propeller will make any
> engine seem to vibrate more than with the prop off...BUT...what I am
> talking about here is engine vibration, generally measured in the X, Y,
> and Z axis on the engine only. These are much higher frequency vibes and
> can be very detrimental to an airframe. You simply cannot determine the
> vibration level of the engine with a prop...or anything attached to the
> pto. This has been a concern of anyone using a industrial V-twin with a
> redrive on it...the engine vibration.
> The progress of the development of any package like this must be first
> examined with nothing on the PTO/crank....then as you move on to attaching
> props and things, you discover which propmakers really know how to balance
> a prop...or a pulley or a shaft or a whatever the driveline consists of,
> and then address that separately. Then you deal with the "driveline
> induced vibrations"
> I know Buckeye has a whole pile of props from different manufacturers,
> they have been testing, including 2, 3 and 4 blade designs, and he did
> express some remorse with a particular mfgs props, saying that the
> differences in 6 in a row of theirs were more than the differences in all
> the mfgs put together! Since this tidbit is second hand information, I
> wont be naming names.
> I also know there are some really hard to track vibes that come from a
> prop/redrive/piston engine combination, as anyone who has fooled around
> with different combinations has experienced. This has to do with piston
> power pulses/ number of blades/ moments of inertia and prop length and
> reduction ratios. Some call it torsion resonance and I have heard it
> described a number of ways. Basically alot of fellas just lump all these
> things together, and call it engine vibration, but when you are trying to
> reduce these inertias, you must address them all separately.
>
> To speak to you wish about wishing to see it with a prop on it...I have
> seen it in a with only a couple of different props...some of them were
> smooth as silk...and some of them were just terrible! I didnt get to see
> the 4 blade powerfin run on it, but their description was "so shockingly
> smooth we couldnt believe it."
>
> BTW, for you guys thinking about the technicals of this...the redrive
> ratio is 2.25 to 1 and they are swinging a 2 blade 74 inch prop, among
> others..
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184353#184353
>
>
>
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| From: | d-m-hague(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: UltraStar engine woes nearing a conclusion |
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "jb92563" <jb92563(at)yahoo.com>
>
> Is there an easy way of measuring the prop pitch, or do I just get out the
> protractor and a calculator and figure it out using trigonometry?
Measure the angle and do the trig.
-Dana
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| From: | d-m-hague(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: UltraStar engine woes nearing a conclusion |
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
>
> 10 degrees is a fairly fine pitch, 14 and over is for the fast, high
> HP guys.
10 or 14 degrees... where? That doesn't tell much, as the angle varies along the
blade due to the twist. Near the root the angle is very large and near the
tip it's very small. You need to specify the radius where it's measured, from
which you can then calculate the pitch (in inches).
-Dana
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb List re: wing problem |
That's a Mark III?>>
Xtra.
Pat
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: UltraStar engine woes nearing a conclusion |
The tip
On 23, May 2008, at 12:56 PM, d-m-hague(at)comcast.net wrote:
>
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
>>
>> 10 degrees is a fairly fine pitch, 14 and over is for the fast, high
>> HP guys.
>
> 10 or 14 degrees... where? That doesn't tell much, as the angle
> varies along the blade due to the twist. Near the root the angle
> is very large and near the tip it's very small. You need to
> specify the radius where it's measured, from which you can then
> calculate the pitch (in inches).
>
> -Dana
>
>
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: UltraStar engine woes nearing a conclusion |
>
>
>Is there an easy way of measuring the prop pitch, or do I just get out the
protractor and a calculator and figure it out using trigonometry?
>
Ray,
No trig is required. Using a bubble level, level the leading edge of the
blade that is being adjusted. Measure the angle to the vertical using an
incline meter across the blade tip. Adjust the blade to the new desired
change in angle. Then rotate each unchanged blade into the level position,
and repeat the change. If you have an IVO then you only have to do this
once.
To find the final pitch, repeat the blade leveling (up blade) and recorded
the tip angle to the vertical. Then rotate the blade 180 degrees, level
the same leading edge (down blade), and measure the same angle. Add the
two together and divide by two and you have the blade pitch.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: UltraStar engine woes nearing a conclusion |
At 03:08 PM 5/23/2008, robert bean wrote:
>
>The tip
Still not enough... pitch is a function of blade angle and the radius where
it's measured.
Pitch (in inches) = tan(blade angle) * 2*pi*R
Many props don't have a constant pitch, so it's typically measured 75% of
the way out from the hub.
-Dana
--
Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why don't we
send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use it any more.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: UltraStar engine woes nearing a conclusion |
At 05:35 PM 5/23/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>No trig is required. Using a bubble level, level the leading edge of the
>blade that is being adjusted. Measure the angle to the vertical using an
>incline meter across the blade tip. Adjust the blade to the new desired
>change in angle...
Jack, trig IS required to get the pitch. What you've described is getting
the blade _angle_, which is what you use for setting an adjustable prop...
what Ray needs is the pitch (in inches) of his fixed blade prop.
Ray: Measure the angle of the back side of the blade 75% of the way out
from the hub (for the standard 50" Ultrastar prop that's 18-3/4" out. Then:
Pitch (in inches) = tan(blade angle) * 2*pi*18.75
I've never measured mine, but I'm told the standard US prop is a 50X30 (30"
pitch).
-Dana
--
Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why don't we
send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use it any more.
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: UltraStar engine woes nearing a conclusion |
>
>Jack, trig IS required to get the pitch. What you've described is getting
>the blade _angle_, which is what you use for setting an adjustable prop...
>what Ray needs is the pitch (in inches) of his fixed blade prop.
>
Danad,
OOPS!
You are absolutely correct.
Jack B. Hart F004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
| From: | "Richard Swiderski" <rswiderski(at)earthlink.net> |
Sorry if this posted twice, but I thinks I just clicked the 1st attempt int oblivion.
I'm not on the List much any more this last year or so, but here are some
thoughts on auxiliary tanks:
1) Always plumb so the aux tank drains 1st, as often you must take it to the fuel
source.
2) On my UltraStar I installed an aux tank above the engine. It fed the 2 carbs
by gravity after changing the float seat valves to gravity feed valves. I then
used the fuel pump to transfer fuel from my Ken Brock seat tank to the top
of the aux tank which had an overflow that drained back to the seat tank. I
modified the pump diaphragm with a neoprene gasket material so it would run dry
just fine. I had many trouble free hours with this system but it would have
been easier & portable if I had done what I did later with my SlingShot.
3)On the SlingShot the 2nd 5 gal tank was behind the front 5 gal, which put it
behind the cg so I modified the plumbing so it drained 1st. I drilled out the
vent holes in both tanks & installed a grommet fuel fitting. Both tanks had
a fuel pickup tube on it's top. The main tank (front) had it's pickup tube connected
to the input of the fuel pump. The vent of the front tank was connected
to the pickup of the rear aux. tank. The aux tank vent was plumbed to outside
the cockpit. With both tanks full, fuel would be 1st drawn from the aux
tank as it was feeding the vent of the main tank. When it was completely dry,
then the main tank would begin to go down. An added advantage is I only have
to top off one tank if I use less than 5 gal. If the aux tank was portable (
not so with SS) I would have put the female quick disconnect on the pickup of
the aux tank and the male coupler ( the always open kind) on the vent of the
main tank. This would preclude any way to block the vent & thus keep it fail safe.
This is a tried & tested method & it is also cheap! Email me off the List
if I did not explain this well enough. -Richard Swiderski
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: UltraStar engine woes nearing a conclusion |
Ray, not quite correct:
At 06:37 PM 5/23/2008, jb92563 wrote:
>I sat down and crunched some numbers.
>
>PI = circumference of circle in radians
No, radians are a measure of angles. 2pi radians = 360.
>Circumference = PI x Diameter
>
>hence Circumference= 3.14159 x 50"
Correct, but read on.
>Pitch = distance advanced during 1 complete rotation not accounting for
>slippage etc.
>
>Pitch = Tan(Blade Angle @ 75% to tip) x (3.14159 x 50")
>
>So for a 50x30 prop the angle at 75% out to the tip should be about 11
>Degrees.
No, you need to use 75% of the diameter too, you use Pi * 50 * .75 so the
angle at the 75% point (18-3/4" from the centerline) should be 14.3
(arctan(30/(pi*50*.75)).
>If I measure more than this then I know my prop pitch is definitely to high.
>
>Being a fixed pitch wood prop the easiest solution is to cut the tips down.
Be sure you balance it after you cut it!
One thing you might want to try if you're trimming the prop anyway... I'd
try it myself if I had to modify a prop ... is the tip mod described on
Jack Hart's website:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly100.html
-Dana
--
Inflation is a result of legalized counterfeiting.
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| From: | "Dan G." <azfirestar(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ciikie salute! |
I also want to thank Jon for the cookies as I was able to sample one
last Friday. Tasted especially good because I chose to fly that evening
instead of stopping for dinner. MV was a great trip especially because
of the company (despite what you've heard about these guys ;-) Next
time, tho, I won't leave a 25' trailer in the middle of the area the
turboprops use for picking up tourists. The crew sitting under the wing
in the second photo is John W, Rick Nielson, and John H .
Regards to all
Dan G
503 F2 N963DG
Tucson, AZ
Young, Rick Neilson
John Hauck wrote:
>
>Karen stole my cookie!
>
>Seriously, Jon, we all enjoyed the homemade cookies. Thanks for going to the
effort and expense of sending them to us.
>
>John W and I are still waiting for 25 to 30 mph winds to subside so we can fly
the 100 odd miles to the Rock House, 6 miles south of Burns Junction, OR. Lucky
for us, the FBO has been very generous with their courtesy car and hospitality.
Looks like we may be here until Friday morning, unless a miracle happens.
>
>Take care,
>
>--------
>John Hauck
>MKIII/912ULS
>hauck's holler, alabama
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184236#184236
>
>
>
>
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Firestar project |
I corrected the dihedral yesterday. I ordered 2 new ends from TNK, and had them
make them 8" long, just in case. I put a level on the main frame, and corrected
with a jack. Then I jacked up each wing, and used a line level on mason's
twine. The twine was duct taped to the inboard bottom of the wing. When I had
the correct measurement, I drilled a spotter hole for a rivet. I took the strut
off, cut the excess tube end, and lubed with "Fluid Film" on all parts- including
inside the tube. After drilling and riveting, all rivets and joints were
sealed with silicone sealant.
The only problems I ran into was to constantly check the frame level as I jacked
the wing- the weight shift would change the level. Also, gusts of wind-
15mph- would stop the work, and then I'd re-check the level.
Thanks to Ellery, Ed Harvey, and TNK for measurements and procedures. Dihedral
looks good. Love my Makita drill- only went through 1 battery for 52 holes.
Next part of the project is to install the 5 gallon tank. Whoever made this
thing made sure the 10 gallon tank won't fall out. I might have to cut it out.
There is a "tube and plate" top clamp riveted in place; a strap; and about a
2" flange at the bottom. Access is going to be through the fabric behind the
seat. I will replace all fuel line while I can.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks,
Ct.
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
On May 24, 2008, at 7:34 AM, william sullivan wrote:
> Next part of the project is to install the 5 gallon tank. Whoever
> made this thing made sure the 10 gallon tank won't fall out. I might
> have to cut it out.
What a shame.
Someday you will wish you had more fuel capacity.
You will be as "legal" with ten gallon as you will be with five anyway
with a Kolb FS/KX/447.
Running out of fuel can be ultimately more costly than anything else
you fear .
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| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com"]Is yours a Gravity feed?>>
Hi,
No. Tanks are a couple of feet below the engine. Pick up is from the top of
the tanks and the balancing air inlets are grommet push fit into the handles.
Fuel is drawn equally from both tanks. If I add a third tank, feeding fuel
into the same pick up line and adding a tee to the same air line there would
be no more chance of sucking air than already exists. They will all empty together
(roughly). I assume that I should have to install the tank at the same
level as the existing ones?
If I can do this it saves all the problems of transfer of fuel.
Cheers
Pat
> [b]
Pat,
I would not add a third tank to this system. Pulling fuel from the top of the
tank is not a good setup, if you get even the slightest leak anywhere in a suction
system such as this you will just be sucking air and the engine will quit.
Adding a third tank to this system just increases the chances that you will
one day have a slight leak somewhere.
Also, all three tanks need to have the same vent pressure, and need to be at the
same level for this system to work. If one of the tanks is emptied before the
others for any reason, its pickup tube will immediately fill the fuel system
with air, and you will be flying a glider, no matter how full the other two
tanks are.
Three tanks being drawn from the top could work, but it is a system with a lot
of unnecessary risks and is just an engine failure waiting to happen.
Fuel systems should be pressure fed, that way a pinhole would be a very slow drip
instead of a sudden engine stoppage. You also have vapor lock to consider,
and a lot of other reasons that your fuel system should be pressure fed rather
than having a pump suction fed from the tanks. I had the standard fuel tanks
on my MK III, and changed it so that the fuel pump is now below the level
of the tanks.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Mark,
Why would your engine quit if your Facet pump failed ? Don't you have an engine
driven pump ? Most installations have both, on my Kolb the engine does not
quit when I turn the Facet pump off.
Also, there is no advantage to installing a relay to control the facet pump. There
is not reason to try to "Isolate" the pump from the rest of the electrical
system. You only complicate the electrical, and increase risk of a failure
for absoluetly nothing. The facet pump draws very little power and is not prone
to electrical failures.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
>
>Fuel systems should be pressure fed, that way a pinhole would be a very
slow drip instead of a sudden engine stoppage. You also have vapor lock to
consider, and a lot of other reasons that your fuel system should be
pressure fed rather than having a pump suction fed from the tanks. I had
the standard fuel tanks on my MK III, and changed it so that the fuel pump
is now below the level of the tanks.
>
Mike,
The nice thing about a suction system and feeding from the top of the tank
is there is less likelihood of a fire. I believe I would rather go with the
silent engine rather than a fire. But in both cases the chances of either
are fairly small.
Jack B.
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| From: | "George Myers" <gmyers(at)grandecom.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
I decided to make one of these and ordered a facet pump. Since I have an old
twinstar and only have a 5 gallon tank, bungee a 5 gal tank on the boom tube
just in front of the H frame. Doubles my range. Knowing how I am, I got to
worrying about what would happen if I left the pump running too long and the
main tank overflowed. So I got to thinking what would be nice would be to
pressurize the bottom tank a little at a time, forcing the gas into the top
tank as needed. I'm a firm believer in the KISS principle, so I ran a pickup
tube in through the cap using a grommet, and then a line from the top of the
tank with a grommet & L to the front next to the seat and put a cutoff valve
on it. Now after flying a while I just puff a lung full of air in the tube &
shut the valve. So long as it holds pressure I know I still have fuel in the
bottom tank. So long as I'm breathing I can transfer fuel. Works great.
Didn't cost me a penny. I have a little mirror I strap on my wrist as a fuel
gauge so when the tank gets down a gallon or two I go to huffin' & puffin'.
If anybody's interested I'll post some pictures.
George
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Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?
George:
Here are some quick shots of my setup. I'll be using it to fly 356 air
miles to the Rock House this Wednesday to meet up with John H, John W, and
Larry and Karen Cottrell.
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
At 11:58 AM 5/24/2008, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>Someday you will wish you had more fuel capacity.
>You will be as "legal" with ten gallon as you will be with five anyway
>with a Kolb FS/KX/447.
Bill's got it at or very close to 103 legal weight. And a 10 gallon tank
is a much more obvious violation than a few pounds overweight.
-Dana
--
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:42:22 -0700
Oh, btw, Facet uses the same style motor for their fuel pump as ALL in-tank fuel
pumps....brushless motors. Ooooooh! (more ghost noises)
...........................
Mike,
I cut open the one that came out of the tank on my 96 GMC Sonoma and the
pump had brushes.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
Same here Jack...the motor, brushes and all was immersed in gasoline... Herb
At 08:40 PM 5/24/2008, you wrote:
>
>From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
>Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 14:42:22 -0700
>
>Oh, btw, Facet uses the same style motor for their fuel pump as ALL
>in-tank fuel pumps....brushless motors. Ooooooh! (more ghost noises)
>...........................
>
>Mike,
>
>I cut open the one that came out of the tank on my 96 GMC Sonoma and the
>pump had brushes.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Winchester, IN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
George,
I also thought about the possibility of overfilling the main tank in my Kolb with
the AUX tank. If I every got really brain dead, and pumped my AUX fuel into
my main tanks way to soon, the mains would overfill and go out the vent tube
for my main tanks which exits the bottom of the plane. The worst that happens
is I pump gas overboard at 4 bucks a gallon [Evil or Very Mad]
Mark,
The Facet pump is pretty darn reliable as long as you have a fuel filter in line
before the pump. I would worry more about an electrical failure making that
pump stop rather than the pump itself. What kind of engine do you have ?
The engine driven fuel pump on the Rotax 447 trike that I fly only costs about
30 bucks. It would be cheap and easy to have both pumps on your plane which
would keep your engine running in case a wire breaks or electrical power lost
for some reason.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| From: | "Frank Clyma" <frank-margie(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Ethanol laced fuel is now showing up in the greater Jacksonville FL
area, at major brand stations. I got a positive "olive jar" test on
Chevron last week----their pumps have been marked for several weeks now.
Three days ago the "10% Ethanol" warning was put on the BP/Amoco pumps,
although the gas still tests OK. I asked the attendant if they might
leave the premium alone, and he said he haden't heard.
I'd like to hear more about what people are using for fuel in the areas
already effected. (In addition to the recent round of discussion on the
subject.) Everybody is going to have to deal with this soon.
Frank Clyma
Jacksonville FL
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| From: | Jimmy Young <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | engine out...uh oh |
Kolbers,
Yesterday I had an engine out forced landing after about 15 minutes
into my flight. I was at about 1000 ft. and the engine started
coughing a bit and dropped most of it's power. I made an uneventful
off-field landing in a hayfield. It was my first engine out
experience, and I will be the first to admit that once I landed and
stopped, my thoughts were that any other good news is just a bonus.
Your priorities will change rapidly depending on your situation.
I called a friend who came out to pick me up, after a good walk
through the country. I contacted the owner of the property and
returned to stake her down and put a tarp over her. I'll be going out
this morning to fold her up and haul her home for diagnosis. I'll
update the List with my findings later.
Jimmy Young
FS II
Houston TX
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Hi guys=C2-
Have any of you tried putting acetone in the fuel?
Here is some interesting info that allegedly improves gas Mileage in our car
s...
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Clyma <frank-margie(at)worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:33 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Ethanol
Ethanol laced fuel is now showing up in the greater
Jacksonville FL area, at major brand stations. I got a positive "olive jar"
test
on Chevron last week----their pumps have been marked for several weeks
now.=C2- Three days ago the "10% Ethanol" warning was put on the BP/Amoco
pumps, although the gas still tests OK.=C2-I asked the attendant if they m
ight
leave the premium alone, and he said he haden't heard.
=C2-
I'd like to hear more=C2-about what people
are=C2-using for fuel in the areas already effected.=C2- (In addition to
the
recent round of discussion on the subject.)=C2- Everybody is going to have
to
deal with this soon.
=C2-
Frank Clyma
Jacksonville FL
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
The worst that happens is I pump gas overboard at 4 bucks a gallon >>
I should waste it at 4 bucks a gallon before it gets to 8 bucks which it is
over here
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
I have the standard two fives in my MkIII. I have them top fed and
valved for either/or>>
Hi Robert, Just curious. Why go to the extra complication. Why not have the
pump draw all the time from both tanks. You will go just as far.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
Adding a third tank to this system just increases the chances that you will
one day have a slight leak somewhere.>>
Hi Mike,
although in theory you are correct I think that sort of thinking is on a par
with the idea that the way to make sure that there is no bomb on a plane you
are flying in is to take one with you. The statistical chance of there being
2 bombs on board are so small that you can fly in safety.
The same arguement would apply to having a bigger tank, a longer fuel line
etc. The corollary is that the smaller tank you have the safer it is and you
can see where that arguement leads.
Surely the object of having extra fuel, in whatever form, larger tanks or
extra tanks is to help ensure that you do NOT run out of fuel. Of course if
you are the sort of idiot who regularly runs his tanks to the bottom then
you will eventually come unstuck no matter how much fuel you carry.
If you have a disastrous leak then the more little tanks you have the safer
you will be .On the other hand according to you the more tanks you have the
more likely you are to have a leak.
I think I will walk
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Acetone in Fuel |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Putting acetone in fuel sounds like a REALLY BAD idea. I never put acetone in
my fuel in my car, airplane, not even my lawn mower. Talk about something that
could attack seals, fuel lines, plastic, etc. There is always someone that
is willing to give bad advice. This reminds me of the guy that told me brother
in law that a little brake fluid in his transmission would make it work like
new, it took about 5 minutes to eat through the seals and spill all the fluid
out on the ground under the car..
Although I agree acetone could improve fuel economy a lot when the engine quits
and you do not burn any gas while replacing parts in the fuel system.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Acetone in Fuel |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Here we go, the website Mark listed above has a link to this warning:
*A note of extreme caution: Acetone is a very powerful solvent, and extremely corrosive
to rubber. In fact, when the acetone hits a rubber fuel line, or o-rings,
or any other rubber part coming into contact with the acetone, it will slowly
be dissolved away. With continual corrosion of the rubber, it will eventually
disintegrate, leading to extensive repairs of the fuel line, and a possibly
worse if it happened while driving. When it all comes down to it, realize that
you are using the acetone at your own consequence.
I wonder how many people are going to run out and try this in their cars due to
the article above, I expect Kolb and other airplane drivers will be much smarter
than to try something like this.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Acetone in Fuel |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Yeah, kinda have to agree with Mike here. It's generally not a good idea to put
anything in an engine other that what is called for with it.
That means, if it's supposed to take gas, put only gas in it. If it takes motor
oil or 2-stroke oil, only put motor oil/2-stroke oil in it, and etc.
Works for me.
Our engines are designed to go all the way out to TBO with only the required fuels
and oils anyway, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to put any other stuff
in it, in my view.
Acetone is a great cleaner and degreaser, but probably a lousy fuel for a Rotax.....
LS
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LS
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
I had a transfer system on my ultralight years ago, it had a seat tank and I used
an electric fuel pump from the car parts store to pump it up into the main
root tube tank.
I suppose I used it about 3 times before I got rid of it as all the extra tubing
and keeping track of when to fill the main tank, etcl, started making me a bit
nervous.
I'm a kicking-around-the-patch type flyer anyway (probably part of the reason I
like sailplane so much) and didn't have a need for really long-haul fuel reserves
at the time, so I dismantled it.
Otherwise, I'd have simply kept the seat tank as an auxiliary tank and had the
pump draw out of both of them at the same time.
So I'd say try to simply add another tank and put it in as part of the regular
fuel supply and forgo the transfer dealie. I.e. John H and John W. have larger
custom tanks in their planes for extra range (I believe without any transer type
setup, correct me if I"m wrong) and that seems to be the best way to go IMO.
For what it's worth, when I fly my titan home from Nebraska, I airport-hopped enough
that I never started getting low on fuel with its 15 gal. tank. And that's
feeding the 912uls.
But I suppose in more remote areas that's not as much of an option so a bigger
tank would be needed....
LS
--------
LS
FS II
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184750#184750
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: engine out...uh oh |
Hey Jimmy, join the club. This morning I had a trip to a fly in
b'fast cut short.
In my case the push-in fitting on the carb decided to part ways with
the top cover.
(that guy will get threads now!)
good news/bad news: this hay field was long alfalfa (bad news)
The last few feet of the slide was with a good view of the hay out
the windshield as the
old Kolb tipped up on the nose. -lots of drag.
Some cosmetic blems on the nosebowl, bent pitot assy.
-and the aluminum tailwheel spring snapped off. A visual inspection
revealed
that an old fracture at that point, just where it emerges from the
steel receiver tube.
A generous neighbor and new friend gave me a lift back to my car and
tools.
I stuck the spring back in, drilled one hole, shortened the chains
and flew it
back out of a soft, bumpy cornfield. It took about 40 bounces to get
the right levitation.
15 minutes round trip. No breakfast.
On 25, May 2008, at 7:26 AM, Jimmy Young wrote:
>
> Kolbers,
>
> Yesterday I had an engine out forced landing after about 15 minutes
> into my flight. I was at about 1000 ft. and the engine started
> coughing a bit and dropped most of it's power. I made an uneventful
> off-field landing in a hayfield. It was my first engine out
> experience, and I will be the first to admit that once I landed and
> stopped, my thoughts were that any other good news is just a bonus.
> Your priorities will change rapidly depending on your situation.
>
> I called a friend who came out to pick me up, after a good walk
> through the country. I contacted the owner of the property and
> returned to stake her down and put a tarp over her. I'll be going
> out this morning to fold her up and haul her home for diagnosis.
> I'll update the List with my findings later.
>
> Jimmy Young
> FS II
> Houston TX
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
If I have both full. Sometimes I have just one full for local flights
and valve off the the other.
On 25, May 2008, at 9:21 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> I have the standard two fives in my MkIII. I have them top fed and
> valved for either/or>>
>
> Hi Robert, Just curious. Why go to the extra complication. Why not
> have the pump draw all the time from both tanks. You will go just
> as far.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | neilsenrm(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? |
I use a aux fuel tank in my airplane quite a bit and have for some years. The tank
is almost exactly like Steven Green's aux tank. I might have copied the idea
from him. A larger main tank would be better and safer if I was flying cross
country more. The aux tank extends my range from 2.5 hours with no reserve 1.5
hours with my personal reserve to 4 hours or 3 hours with my personal reserve.
The aux tank uses a simple top drain with a dip tube. I pump the fuel from
the aux tank to the top of my main tanks as soon as I can on a long flight. The
first transfer will be when I'm only down a few gallons and will continue every
half hour till the aux tank is empty. I like to transfer early to keep my
options open. If there is any problem with fuel transfer I want it to happen
when I have the most fuel. I can safely drain the aux tank down to empty. I can
remove this tank if necessary to retrive more fuel.
I use the standard two 5 gallon main tanks and draw from the bottom. In ten years
I have never had a leak. Three years ago I replaced to old tanks because I
felt it was time. I like the idea of a bottom drain due to its simplicity. The
drain always pulls fuel from the same level in the tank from the low spot on
opposite sides from the other tank. If in turblance there is a momentary entry
of air in the system it isn't a problem. With a top drain sucks air at best it
would cause a potential pressure drop till the siphon action is restored. In
the worst cases you might have a fuel flow stoppage from one tank or maybe even
both tanks. If I were feeding fuel from the top I would have a selector valve
and feed from only one tank at a time. This adds a point of failure from forgetting
to switch tanks but the it would be less of a concern than unknownly
having a one tank feed stoppage.
my .02 worth
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
>
> I had a transfer system on my ultralight years ago, it had a seat tank and I
> used an electric fuel pump from the car parts store to pump it up into the main
> root tube tank.
>
> I suppose I used it about 3 times before I got rid of it as all the extra tubing
> and keeping track of when to fill the main tank, etcl, started making me a bit
> nervous.
>
> I'm a kicking-around-the-patch type flyer anyway (probably part of the reason
I
> like sailplane so much) and didn't have a need for really long-haul fuel
> reserves at the time, so I dismantled it.
>
> Otherwise, I'd have simply kept the seat tank as an auxiliary tank and had the
> pump draw out of both of them at the same time.
>
> So I'd say try to simply add another tank and put it in as part of the regular
> fuel supply and forgo the transfer dealie. I.e. John H and John W. have larger
> custom tanks in their planes for extra range (I believe without any transer type
> setup, correct me if I"m wrong) and that seems to be the best way to go IMO.
>
> For what it's worth, when I fly my titan home from Nebraska, I airport-hopped
> enough that I never started getting low on fuel with its 15 gal. tank. And
> that's feeding the 912uls.
> But I suppose in more remote areas that's not as much of an option so a bigger
> tank would be needed....
>
> LS
>
> --------
> LS
> FS II
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184750#184750
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I use a aux fuel tank in my airplane quite a bit and have for some years.
The tank is almost exactly like Steven Green's aux tank. I might have copied the
idea from him. A larger main tank would be better and safer if I was flying
cross country more. The aux tank extends my range from 2.5 hours with no
reserve 1.5 hours with my personal reserve to 4 hours or 3 hours with my personal
reserve. The aux tank uses a simple top drain with a dip tube. I pump
the fuel from the aux tank to the top of my main tanks as soon as I can on a
long flight. The first transfer will be when I'm only down a few gallons and
will continue every half hour till the aux tank is empty. I like to transfer early
to keep my options open. If there is any problem with fuel transfer
I want it to happen when I have the most fuel. I can safely drain the
aux tank down to empty. I can remove this tank if necessary to retrive
more fuel.
I use the standard two 5 gallon main tanks and draw from the bottom. In ten
years I have never had a leak. Three years ago I replaced to old tanks because
I felt it was time. I like the idea of a bottom drain due to its simplicity.
The drain always pulls fuel from the same level in the tank from the low spot
on opposite sides from the other tank. If in turblance there is a momentary
entry of air in the system it isn't a problem. With a top drain sucks air at best
it would cause a potential pressure drop till the siphon action is restored.
In the worst cases you might have a fuel flow stoppage from one tank or maybe
even both tanks. If I were feeding fuel from the top I would have a selector
valve and feed from only one tank at a time. This adds a point of failure
from forgetting to switch tanks but the it would be less of a concern than
unknownly having a one tank feed stoppage.
my .02 worth
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
> --> Kolb-List message posted by:
"lucien"
>
> I had a transfer system
on my ultralight years ago, it had a seat tank and I
> used an electric
fuel pump from the car parts store to pump it up into the main
> root
tube tank.
>
> I suppose I used it about 3 times before I got rid
of it as all the extra tubing
> and keeping track of when to fill the
main tank, etcl, started making me a bit
> nervous.
>
>
I'm a kicking-around-the-patch type flyer anyway (probably part of the reason
I
> like sailplane so much) and didn't have a need for really long-haul
fuel
> reserves at the time, so I dismantled it.
>
> Otherwise,
I'd have simply kept the seat tank as an auxi
liary
tank and had the
> pump draw out of both of them at the same time.
>
> So I'd say try to simply add another tank and put it in as part of the regular
> fuel supply and forgo the transfer dealie. I.e. John H and John W. have larger
> custom tanks in their planes for extra range (I believe without any transer type
> setup, correct me if I"m wrong) and that seems to be the best way to go IMO.
>
> For what it's worth, when I fly my titan home from Nebraska, I airport-hopped
> enough that I never started getting low on fuel with its 15 gal. tank. And
> that's feeding the 912uls.
> But I suppose in more remote areas that's not as much of an option so a bigger
> tank would be needed....
>
> LS
>
> --------
> LS
> FS II
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184750
#18475
=====
======================================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Acetone in Fuel |
Hi Mike
Yes I would have to agree with you.. I wasn't endorsing the use of the stuff
as an additive=C2-
=C2-but I thought it was an interesting=C2-article given the direction f
uel prices are going these days...
Personally I think Gas is cheaper than truck repairs... =C2- At least for
right now anyway hahahahaha 8-)
BTW =C2-those E trikes=C2-ARE starting to look better and better... 8-(
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: JetPilot <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 10:48 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Acetone in Fuel
Putting acetone in fuel sounds like a REALLY BAD idea. I never put acetone
in
my fuel in my car, airplane, not even my lawn mower. Talk about something t
hat
could attack seals, fuel lines, plastic, etc. There is always someone that
is
willing to give bad advice. This reminds me of the guy that told me brother
in
law that a little brake fluid in his transmission would make it work like ne
w,
it took about 5 minutes to eat through the seals and spill all the fluid out
on
the ground under the car..
Although I agree acetone could improve fuel economy a lot when the engine qu
its
and you do not burn any gas while replacing parts in the fuel system.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you cou
ld
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | Jimmy Young <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: engine out...uh oh |
All,
I spent all day getting my plane out of the field and back to the
hanger with the help of a good friend. When I got there this morning,
I changed out the plugs to see if it would turn over & run. It fired
up after some coaxing, but it was not running well at all. I watched
the engine temps and within less than a minute it was obvious the #1
cyl is not running. I shut it down and proceeded to move on with the
task of transporting her home. Tomorrow I'll see if I can figure out
what happened.
For planecrazy; you asked how many hrs. on the engine: it's a 503 DCDI
with 205 hrs. I checked the rings thru the exhaust ports at 175 hrs,
and they were fairly clean and moving freely. I plan to check for
spark at the plugs tomorrow and move on from there. I did look at the
carb bowls out in the field, both were full of clean gas, no water or
visible contamination. The #2 cyl plugs looked good, nice tan color,
but the #1 cyl plugs were a darkish metallic grey color, not wet or
oily, but a color indicative of either no ignition or way too rich.
Jimmy Young
FS II
Houston
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | RE: [KolbUltrastar] Engine quit today, now to figure out why? |
Well, I flew it today for about 45 minutes, first time since the
failure. Ran it on the ground for awhile at various throttle settings, no
trouble, then took off, climbed to around 300' and flew around for awhile
(within gliding distance of the field, of course!). Not a bobble from the
engine. CHT and EGT both where they should be. It's looking like the
float needle was indeed bad and probably caused at least the quitting when
at low rpm's and perhaps the drop from cruise rpm as well. Somebody
suggested that could've been icing, if it iced up at the main jet/needle
where the fuel is atomizing and coldest, it could be sudden, much more so
than icing on the butterfly of a standard carb. Certainly I'll keep a
close eye on it for the next few flights, though...
On a sorta related note, afterwards I went for a ride in a friend's new
Aircam. What a neat airplane! It just LEAPS off the ground, 'bout 100'
takeoff roll... you can take off and fly all day on one engine, so cruising
around low over the forest is no worries... if the engine quits there's a
spare! :)
-Dana
--
But do you trust the _government_ with semi-automatic assault rifles?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: engine out...uh oh |
In a message dated 5/25/2008 6:31:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
jdy100(at)comcast.net writes:
Kolbers,
Yesterday I had an engine out forced landing after about 15 minutes
into my flight.
Jimmy,
So glad to hear you were up to the task at hand, and you had a suitable
spot to land and those great big tires on her! I will be at the hanger in
the next couple of days. Glad You and your bird are OK!
Ed Diebel
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken Korenek" <kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon |
Kolbers,
It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that John Williamson, Kolb
Kolbra, N49KK crashed and was killed just before 10 AM local time, Sunday,
May 25th at the Skinner Ranch Airport (12OR), Jordan Valley, Oregon.
(Skyvector Link: http://skyvector.com/#35-9-3-5601-1393)
>From information relayed from the remote area by the investigating Sherriff,
John was flying with two other airplanes. The other two planes landed and
were going to take pictures as John did a fly-by. As he flew by in a sharp
bank, something happened and he went down.
It is almost certain that he did not suffer.
All this information is very preliminary and the only thing certain is that
we lost a friend.
I am John's flying buddy here in Arlington and am trying my best to help the
family thru this tragedy. I was unaware of who was accompanying John after
the Monument Valley weekend, so if any of you know who the other two planes
and pilots might be, please relay any contact information you may have to
me.
I will keep you all posted as new information presents itself and will
advise you of funeral arrangements when they are final.
John was a really good guy and I am going to miss him.
Ken Korenek
Arlington, Texas
817-657-6500 cell
817-483-8054 home
972-641-5029 work
kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
There is no way words can say what should be said. There are so many people that
John W touched in such a positive way. I was just a small, small part of John's
great life and I am very thankful for those precious times.
John was a great aviator and an even greater person.
My thoughts and prayers are with John's family and close friends.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
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| From: | Louis Buckley <lbuckley122(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | John Williamson Autobiography |
Indeed we have lost a good friend. He was quite a guy. As a reminder
has is a biographic sketch:
Biography
John A. Williamson
I was born August 1, 1949 in Lewiston, ID and grew up in the Northwest.
I call my hometown, Orofino, ID and
enlisted in the U.S. Army for Warrant Officer Flight Training shortly
after graduating from Orofino High School.
I served in the U.S. Army at the ranks of El, E5 and Warrant Officer
(Grades One through Four) from August
1968 until retirement on 1 September 1989 as a CW4. Trained as a pilot,
I got to serve in several capacities:
Pilot, Instructor Pilot and Instrument Flight Examiner flying
Beechcraft U-21A multiengine airplanes.
Flight time: 1,338
Pilot, Instructor Pilot and Instrument Flight Examiner flying Bell
AH-1G, AH-1S(MOD, PROD, ECAS,and
FM), UH-1(A, B, D, H and M) and OH-58A helicopters. Flight time: 4,519
Held positions of Airfield and unit Operations Officer, Flight
Standards Officer, Instructor Pilot, Aviation
Training Officer, and Military Representative to the FAA Southern Region
Headquarters
I completed tours of duty at:
'E' Company 2nd Battalion 1st Training Brigade, Fort Polk, LA: Aug-Oct
1968.
3rd Warrant Officer Candidate Company, Fort Wolters, TX: Oct 1968-Mar
1969. Class 69-19.
4th Warrant Officer Candidate Company, Fort Rucker, AL: Mar-Jul 1969.
Class 69-19
Cobra Hall, Hunter Army Airfield, Savannah, GA: Jul-Sep 1969.
'A' Troop 7th Squadron 1st Air Cavalry Regiment 1st Aviation Brigade,
Vinh Long, Republic of Vietnam:
Sep 1969-Sep 1970.
206th Aviation Company (Assault Helicopter), Fort Clayton, Panama
Canal Zone, Panama: Oct- Dec 1970.
Cobra Hall, Hunter Army Airfield, Savannah, GA: Jan-Mar 1972.
Troop 'F', 8th Cavalry 1st Aviation Brigade, Da Nang, Republic of
Vietnam: Apr-Oct 1972.
Troop 'F', 8th Cavalry 1st Aviation Brigade, Bien Hoa, Republic of
Vietnam: Oct 1972-Feb 1973.
'D' Troop 3rd Squadron 8th Cavalry Regiment 8th Infantry Division,
Finthen Army Airfield, Mainz,
Germany: Apr 1973-Sep 1976.
Aviation Training Center, Fort Rucker, AL: Oct-Nov 1976.
'D' Troop 4th Squadron 12th Cavalry Regiment 5th Infantry Division,
Fort Polk, LA: Dec 1976-May 1978.
Aviation Training Center. Fort Rucker, AL: May 1978-Mar 1981.
'C' Company (Attack) 3rd Aviation Battalion 3rd Infantry Division,
Schweinfurt Army Airfield, Germany:
Apr 1981-Mar 1984.
Regional Representative to the Federal Aviation Administration,
Southern Region, Atlanta, GA: Apr 1984-
Apr 1988.
Aviation Detachment, Polk Army Airfield, Fort Polk, LA: May 1988-Aug 1989.
I served two combat tours in Vietnam as a Cobra attack helicopter
(AH-1G) pilot flying 1,582 hours of combat
flight time and logging a total of 1,756 hours while in country. Units
of combat zone assignment were 'A' Troop
7th Squadron 1st Air Cavalry 1st Aviation Brigade at Vinh Long,
Callsign: Apache 33 and Apache 38 and Troop 'F',
8th Cavalry 196 Light Infantry Brigade then 1st Aviation Brigade at Da
Nang and Bien Hoa, Callsign: Blue Ghost
22. During my tours in Vietnam, I was able to get my aircraft shot-up
eleven times, get shot-down twice, and crash
twice. I also watched twenty seven of my scout aircraft get shot down or
crash and was able to assist in getting all
of the downed crewmen out without the loss of a single life. I destroyed
innumerable houses, warehouses, and
wheeled vehicles and shot at several North Vietnamese tanks.
Military awards included the Distinguished Flying Cross (5 awards),
Bronze Star Medal (2 awards), Meritorious
Service Medal (3 awards). Air Medal (56 awards, one for Valor), Army
Commendation Medal, National Defense
Service Medal, Vietnam Campaign Medal (5 campaigns), Armed Forces
Reserve Medal, Army Service Ribbon,
Overseas Service Ribbon (4 tours), Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry (2
awards, one with Star one with Palm),
Vietnam Service Medal, Army Aviator Badge, Senior Army Aviator Badge,
and Master Army Aviator Badge.
While on Active Duty, I earned a Bachelor of Science Degree in
Aeronautical Studies from Embry-Riddle
Aeronautical University. I graduated Magna Cum Laude, 13 December 1980.
2
After retirement from the U.S. Army, I flew a Bell Jet Ranger BIII
supporting offshore operations in the Gulf of
Mexico for Petroleum Helicopters for five months while waiting for my
Class date with American Airlines.
Flight time: 201
I hired on with American Airlines in Nov 1989. During this employment I
was based at New York (LGA),
Miami (MIA), Chicago (ORD) and Dallas/ Fort Worth (DFW). I flew several
aircraft and crew positions until I
retired early on 1 February 2002.
Captain on McDonald-Douglas MD-80 and Fokker F-100
First Officer on Boeing 767 & 757, McDonald-Douglas MD-80 and Boeing 727
Flight Engineer on Boeing 727
Flight time: Captain 822, First Officer 6,692, Flight Engineer 413
I currently hold FAA Ratings of:
Airline Transport Pilot
Airplane Multiengine Land, B-757 B-767 DC-9 FK-100
Commercial Privileges Airplane Single Engine Land, Rotorcraft-Helicopter,
Instrument Helicopter
Flight Instructor
Airplane Single and Multiengine
Instrument Airplane
I am currently flying the Kolb Kolbra that I built and finished in Jun
2002. I have also built a Zenith CH701 and
am building two BKFliers model BK1 in my garage at this time. I fly
regularly and have accumulated over 15,485
flight hours. I am an EAA Technical Counselor and EAA Flight Advisor and
member of EAA Chapter 34 at
Arlington, Texas.
Kolbra Pilot N49KK
John Williamson
Arlington, Texas
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
>
> From: "Ken Korenek" <kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon
>
> Kolbers,
>
>
> It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that John Williamson, Kolb
> Kolbra, N49KK crashed and was killed just before 10 AM local time, Sunday,
> May 25th at the Skinner Ranch Airport (12OR), Jordan Valley, Oregon.
> (Skyvector Link: http://skyvector.com/#35-9-3-5601-1393)
>
>
> >From information relayed from the remote area by the investigating Sherriff,
> John was flying with two other airplanes. The other two planes landed and
> were going to take pictures as John did a fly-by. As he flew by in a sharp
> bank, something happened and he went down.
>
>
> It is almost certain that he did not suffer.
>
>
> All this information is very preliminary and the only thing certain is that
> we lost a friend.
>
>
> I am John's flying buddy here in Arlington and am trying my best to help the
> family thru this tragedy. I was unaware of who was accompanying John after
> the Monument Valley weekend, so if any of you know who the other two planes
> and pilots might be, please relay any contact information you may have to
> me.
>
>
> I will keep you all posted as new information presents itself and will
> advise you of funeral arrangements when they are final.
>
>
> John was a really good guy and I am going to miss him.
>
>
> Ken Korenek
>
> Arlington, Texas
>
> 817-657-6500 cell
>
> 817-483-8054 home
>
> 972-641-5029 work
>
> kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Key <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon |
At MV JW said John Hauck and him were continuing on.
From: kkorenek(at)tx.rr.comTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Kolb-List: Trag
edy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, OregonDate: Mon, 26 May 2008 00:27:49
-0500
Kolbers,
It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that John Williamson, Kolb
Kolbra, N49KK crashed and was killed just before 10 AM local time, Sunday,
May 25th at the Skinner Ranch Airport (12OR), Jordan Valley, Oregon. (Sk
yvector Link: http://skyvector.com/#35-9-3-5601-1393)
>From information relayed from the remote area by the investigating Sherriff
, John was flying with two other airplanes. The other two planes landed a
nd were going to take pictures as John did a fly-by. As he flew by in a s
harp bank, something happened and he went down.
It is almost certain that he did not suffer.
All this information is very preliminary and the only thing certain is that
we lost a friend.
I am John=92s flying buddy here in Arlington and am trying my best to help
the family thru this tragedy. I was unaware of who was accompanying John
after the Monument Valley weekend, so if any of you know who the other two
planes and pilots might be, please relay any contact information you may ha
ve to me.
I will keep you all posted as new information presents itself and will advi
se you of funeral arrangements when they are final.
John was a really good guy and I am going to miss him.
Ken Korenek
Arlington, Texas
817-657-6500 cell
817-483-8054 home
972-641-5029 work
kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon |
I'm at a loss for words........
On 26, May 2008, at 1:27 AM, Ken Korenek wrote:
> Kolbers,
>
> It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that John
> Williamson, Kolb Kolbra, N49KK crashed and was killed just before
> 10 AM local time, Sunday, May 25th at the Skinner Ranch Airport
> (12OR), Jordan Valley, Oregon. (Skyvector Link: http://
> skyvector.com/#35-9-3-5601-1393)
>
> =46rom information relayed from the remote area by the investigating
> Sherriff, John was flying with two other airplanes. The other two
> planes landed and were going to take pictures as John did a fly-
> by. As he flew by in a sharp bank, something happened and he went
> down.
>
> It is almost certain that he did not suffer.
>
> All this information is very preliminary and the only thing certain
> is that we lost a friend.
>
> I am John=92s flying buddy here in Arlington and am trying my best to
> help the family thru this tragedy. I was unaware of who was
> accompanying John after the Monument Valley weekend, so if any of
> you know who the other two planes and pilots might be, please relay
> any contact information you may have to me.
>
> I will keep you all posted as new information presents itself and
> will advise you of funeral arrangements when they are final.
>
> John was a really good guy and I am going to miss him.
>
> Ken Korenek
> Arlington, Texas
> 817-657-6500 cell
> 817-483-8054 home
> 972-641-5029 work
> kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com
>
>
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| From: | "Ken Korenek" <kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon- Update |
Kolbers,
I just talked to one of the gentlemen who witnessed the accident.
It seems that 4 airplanes were out flying around and having a good time
committing aviation out in "God's Country" when one of the group needed to
relieve himself. It was decided to stop at the Skinner Ranch to take care
of business. 3 of the 4 landed while John Williamson decided to stay aloft
and circle the field.
On about the second time around, one of the guys on the ground looked up and
saw John in a steep bank right on the deck. Apparently, the right wingtip
caught and it was all over very quickly. One of the guys approached the
plane to see John's condition and check for signs of life, but it was
apparent that the event was not survivable.
I contacted the FAA early this morning and was told that an investigator
There will be very little more information until the formal findings are
published by the NTSB/FAA.
At this point, we do not know what happened. Anything said is purely
speculation. And actually, we may never know exactly what happened.
But, what we do know is that John was a good pilot who left this world
quickly, without suffering and doing what he truly loved to do.
One cannot ask for much more than that.
Ken Korenek
Arlington, Texas
817-657-6500 cell
817-483-8054 home
972-641-5029 work
kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
Kolbers, I just turned on my computer after a few days off-line and seeing this
news is very tragic. I emailed John with questions about his Kolbra as I bought
one a month ago. John is one very qualified guy to fly most any aircraft. Had
he flown down on the deck, there was probably something there he didn't anticipate
and it got him.
When John H returns we will hear more ....
My condolences to John's family ....
Ralph B.
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
0 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
My prayers and sympathy go out to all John Williamson's family and friends!
--------
Cristal
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon |
All,
I too am saddened to hear of the news of John, what a wonderful man and a
most experienced pilot. I will miss him and all his wonderful flying
pictures journals.
"God Bless you John"
John H and others that were with John, my thoughts are with you, what an
awful event for you all to experience.
Bob Dalton
wiserguy(at)comcast.net
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Korenek
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 10:28 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon
Kolbers,
It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that John Williamson, Kolb
Kolbra, N49KK crashed and was killed just before 10 AM local time, Sunday,
May 25th at the Skinner Ranch Airport (12OR), Jordan Valley, Oregon.
(Skyvector Link: http://skyvector.com/#35-9-3-5601-1393)
>From information relayed from the remote area by the investigating Sherriff,
John was flying with two other airplanes. The other two planes landed and
were going to take pictures as John did a fly-by. As he flew by in a sharp
bank, something happened and he went down.
It is almost certain that he did not suffer.
All this information is very preliminary and the only thing certain is that
we lost a friend.
I am John's flying buddy here in Arlington and am trying my best to help the
family thru this tragedy. I was unaware of who was accompanying John after
the Monument Valley weekend, so if any of you know who the other two planes
and pilots might be, please relay any contact information you may have to
me.
I will keep you all posted as new information presents itself and will
advise you of funeral arrangements when they are final.
John was a really good guy and I am going to miss him.
Ken Korenek
Arlington, Texas
817-657-6500 cell
817-483-8054 home
972-641-5029 work
kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
I looked thru my photos of Monument Valley from this year and sadly
didn't get a close up of him. The attached is a photo of him doing what
he enjoyed most. His comment after landing was I like flying so I not
going to set it down before I need to. That was 5/17/08 at 10:00AM at
Monument Valley.
I'm shocked. He was the best and will be deeply missed. My condolences
to John's family.
Rick Neilsen
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| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
Larry had a good picture of John W. at MV. I cropped the picture...it's a little
small in filesize though.
--------
Cristal
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
My wife and I have been in shock and disbelief all day,,, just wanted
someone to say April fools or something,,,,
Just a week ago Sunday john h and john w stayed overnight here with my wife
and myself. John w had wanted to see the Utah state capitol building for 4
years,, but when he had mentioned it, the building had just been closed to
have earthquake dampeners installed along with a facelift and remodel.
Last January it reopened, so while in town Last Monday I drove him down to
see it,,,, I asked where his camera was and he told me " no pictures,,,,,
just memories." That was his 47th capitol building out of 50.
So at least for today,,,,, no pictures,,,,, just memories
boyd young
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
Kolbers,
I too am saddened by the news of John Williamson's death. He was such a
swell and knowledgeable guy. I had my 1st flight in a Kolb in the back of
his plane at the Bowie TX fly-in several years ago when I first met him.
Wow! Still can't believe it!
His Family is in our Prayers along with John H and the
other 2 guys flying with him.
He will be sorely missed!
Ed Diebel
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
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| From: | "Mark" <mshimei(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 4 stroke in a kolb |
MARK PLEASE KEEP US POSTED ,SOUNDS INTERESTING, TRAVIS.
I have been working on a Generac conversion for my Ultrastar for
several months now. I had to rebuild the cage and am working on a motor
mount to use a direct drive version that hand props to start. There is
one currently flying in a thunder gull in Illinois with 30+ hours now.
The engine will weigh the same as the Cuyuna that was removed with 5
more Hp. I would have more progress, but I am taking care of a sick
parent (who wants to see my lawnmower engine plane fly). Mark in
Florida.
The Cuyuna has a 2;1 belt reduction,exhaust,intake ,pullstart,and
carb.No prop. Total weight is 81lbs.
Valley engineering has a prototype that is down to 78lbs with prop, and
200# thrust. But their ignition is run on a battery. I am trying to use
the existing mag setup AND make a hub with a thrust bearing as to not
wear out the case. We are also thinking of putting it on my friends
Firefly that has 630hrs on the 447(1 decarb) and is looking for
something else to try besides the =BD VW.
Did a lot of work on the airframe today,lot of TIG welding=85.Mark
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
Gang,
I thank all of you for your kind thoughts about us survivors, but I
don't want to talk about the sad parts, just about the preceeding days.
Of course the weather was pretty crappy and JW and JH had to spend more
days stuck in Ontario Oregon than any of us would have liked, but the
weather eventually cleared enough for them to make the 100 mile flight
to the Rock House. Then the fun started. The food was great and the
first meal was of the Antelope that attacted John Hauck last year. He
had been sleeping at the side of the runway when John touched down
almost on top of him. The resultant melee probably caused both of them
to be incontinent.
For our first flight we went to the Alvord and JW flew the heights of
the Steen's Mtn. while the rest of us talked to the tourist at the hot
springs. After we left the tourist, we all landed on the lake bed to
relieve our personal tanks and take some pictures of the planes parked
in front of the Mt. range. We got back to the house just before the wind
came out of the west in a howling gale. Our second flight was the south
end of the Owyhee Canyon to the Three forks area. JW and JH amused
themselved by harrassing various Coyotes on the way. We saw many wild
(feral) horses, Antelope, Eagles, and rafting tourist. The two Johns
then flew the narrow canyons of the West Fork of the Owyhee for15 or 20
miles while I stayed aloft to watch for hair pin turns in the Canyons.
Finally we decided that Roger and I were low enough on gas to return
home. (mostly me) On the way back Roger and John W found some Bighorn
Sheep in a spot that I would not have believed they existed. Again the
wind came up with a vengence just after all of us tied down the planes.
For our last flight we decided to go check the identy of a large white
bird that they saw on the initial flight into the house. First we flew
to Bogus Creek and up that drainage until the Lava Flow out of Jordan
Craters. We found Coyotes, Antelope and cowboys in profusion.
I guess in summary what I would like all of you to know was that we
were having a ball, doing just what all of us love to do. While the rest
of us were on the ground talking to tourist or relieving ourselves JW
would keep on flying even if he had to fly circles while we were fooling
around. He was a remarkable man, much more to him than he would ever let
on or tell you about without prying. While his passing is a shame, he
died doing what he loved and squeezing every drop of fun out of life. I
cannot ever remember seeing him angry, or without a smile on his face.
I am proud to have known him and to have been able to share the short
time that we had.
Larry Cottrell
Firestar II 400 hours
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| From: | "Wayne McCullough" <blackbird754(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon |
I am very sorry to hear that John W. has gone west.............
Met him at Sun-n-fun several years in sequence...............Nice gentleman
and very informative.....
And he will be sorely missed.
I KNOW John H. is having a hard time..........
Take care guys,
Wayne McCullough Kolbra 004
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
Larry,
Thank you for your wonderful e-mail of the joyful
flying you, John W, John H and Roger Hankins did. It
was so helpful to mitigate a little of the pain of
John W's death. Like many of the others who have
posted, I've been in shock that John W. is no longer a
living part of this group. It seems absolutely
impossible that he is gone - and I send my respectful
condolences to his family and good friends. I'll
sorely miss his wisdom on the list, and his laughing
face at MV.
The attached photo was taken a few years ago at the
Alvord Desert, on one of John H and John W's flights
to visit you and Karen after the MV fly-in. I don't
know the year or the 3rd Kolb (is that you, Larry?)
but it's been my screen saver for some time.
Arty Trost
Maxair Drifter
Sandy, Oregon
--- Larry Cottrell wrote:
> Gang,
> I thank all of you for your kind thoughts about
> us survivors, but I don't want to talk about the sad
> parts, just about the preceeding days. Of course the
> weather was pretty crappy and JW and JH had to spend
> more days stuck in Ontario Oregon than any of us
> would have liked, but the weather eventually cleared
> enough for them to make the 100 mile flight to the
> Rock House. Then the fun started. The food was great
> and the first meal was of the Antelope that attacted
> John Hauck last year. He had been sleeping at the
> side of the runway when John touched down almost on
> top of him. The resultant melee probably caused both
> of them to be incontinent.
>
> For our first flight we went to the Alvord and JW
> flew the heights of the Steen's Mtn. while the rest
> of us talked to the tourist at the hot springs.
> After we left the tourist, we all landed on the lake
> bed to relieve our personal tanks and take some
> pictures of the planes parked in front of the Mt.
> range. We got back to the house just before the wind
> came out of the west in a howling gale. Our second
> flight was the south end of the Owyhee Canyon to the
> Three forks area. JW and JH amused themselved by
> harrassing various Coyotes on the way. We saw many
> wild (feral) horses, Antelope, Eagles, and rafting
> tourist. The two Johns then flew the narrow canyons
> of the West Fork of the Owyhee for15 or 20 miles
> while I stayed aloft to watch for hair pin turns in
> the Canyons. Finally we decided that Roger and I
> were low enough on gas to return home. (mostly me)
> On the way back Roger and John W found some Bighorn
> Sheep in a spot that I would not have believed they
> existed. Again the wind came up with a vengence just
> after all of us tied down the planes. For our last
> flight we decided to go check the identy of a large
> white bird that they saw on the initial flight into
> the house. First we flew to Bogus Creek and up that
> drainage until the Lava Flow out of Jordan Craters.
> We found Coyotes, Antelope and cowboys in profusion.
>
> I guess in summary what I would like all of you
> to know was that we were having a ball, doing just
> what all of us love to do. While the rest of us were
> on the ground talking to tourist or relieving
> ourselves JW would keep on flying even if he had to
> fly circles while we were fooling around. He was a
> remarkable man, much more to him than he would ever
> let on or tell you about without prying. While his
> passing is a shame, he died doing what he loved and
> squeezing every drop of fun out of life. I cannot
> ever remember seeing him angry, or without a smile
> on his face.
>
> I am proud to have known him and to have been
> able to share the short time that we had.
> Larry Cottrell
> Firestar II 400 hours
>
>
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
Larry,
thanks for your post. It helps to put this tragic accident into
perspective.
Pat
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| From: | "MICHAEL MARKER" <mjwings(at)msn.com> |
Jan & I are deeply saddened with the tragic news of John's accident.
John was an inspiration to me and to hundreds of others who share the
joy of flying our home built airplanes. In a relatively short period of
time, he built his Kolbra and flew it tens of thousands of miles
experiencing adventures that would take most of us ten lifetimes to
accumulate. He shared his many Kolb experiences on his awesome web site
(Home of a Kolbra Pilot) and always took the time to encourage us to
expand our flying goals and helped us solve technical problems.
We are very fortunate to have met John.he was a happy man and always
passionate and enthusiastic about building airplanes and pursuit of his
next flying adventure. He will be sorely missed.
Attached are some photos of John and his Kolbra at Monument Valley and
his Kolbra flying over the Rio Grande when he visited us last year.
Mike & Jan Marker
Firestar II
(571 hrs, Rotax 503)
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| Subject: | Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon- Update |
| From: | "Clayton, James" <james.clayton(at)bluecoat.com> |
Good morning all,
My father John and I are shocked and saddened at this terrible news. We
both considered him a friend and trusted advisor. We do take great
comfort in Ken's words below:
>>what we do know is that John was a good pilot who left this world
quickly, without suffering and doing what he truly loved to do.
>>One cannot ask for much more than that.
However knowing, sadly, it will not mitigate the suffering of his family
and closest friends.
John: you will be missed and never forgotten.
-Jim and John Clayton
Jim Clayton
Clayton
Mark-3X, 912ULS.....Building
www.quantumwrench.com/Kolb.htm
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Korenek
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:10 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, Jordan Valley, Oregon-
Update
Kolbers,
I just talked to one of the gentlemen who witnessed the accident.
It seems that 4 airplanes were out flying around and having a good time
committing aviation out in "God's Country" when one of the group needed
to relieve himself. It was decided to stop at the Skinner Ranch to
take care of business. 3 of the 4 landed while John Williamson decided
to stay aloft and circle the field.
On about the second time around, one of the guys on the ground looked up
and saw John in a steep bank right on the deck. Apparently, the right
wingtip caught and it was all over very quickly. One of the guys
approached the plane to see John's condition and check for signs of
life, but it was apparent that the event was not survivable.
I contacted the FAA early this morning and was told that an investigator
will arrive on the scene to do the investigation sometime before noon
MST. There will be very little more information until the formal
findings are published by the NTSB/FAA.
At this point, we do not know what happened. Anything said is purely
speculation. And actually, we may never know exactly what happened.
But, what we do know is that John was a good pilot who left this world
quickly, without suffering and doing what he truly loved to do.
One cannot ask for much more than that.
Ken Korenek
Arlington, Texas
817-657-6500 cell
817-483-8054 home
972-641-5029 work
kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [KolbUltrastar] Update: Engine woes getting solved |
At 10:56 AM 5/27/2008, Ray wrote:
>I ran up the engine (Cuyuna 430) and got a bit of belt
>slipping that allowed 6400 rpm but once that stopped
>it steadied at 5800.
>
>The front fan side cylinder only went as high as 365
>and stopped climbing and the rear cylinder only went
>to 408 which is slightly over the 400 redline.
>
>The EGT's however went to 1400 so perhaps my jetting
>is a bit lean.
>
>I need to find my notes on what the various EGT's
>&CHT's mean to see what needs to be done next...
Ray, I would measure the angle and calculate the pitch before cutting any
more, though it does sound like you're on the right track. You may also be
lean; the max allowable EGT is 1275 but best power is at 1200.
Hmmm... same exhaust on both motors? Any chance of a blockage?
-Dana
--
Balance the budget--declare politicians a game species.
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| From: | "LARRY JUDY GITT" <gittlj(at)msn.com> |
I'm in shock, John was a great help to me when I first flew my Kolbra.
We all loved his adventures and all the pictures. It's really hard to
believe it's happened. My prayers go out to the family and John's many
friends, Larry G
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: John Williamson Autobiography |
Wow!
What a biography. I only met John once, and that was at last years fathers
day picnic at Homer Kolb's farm in Phoenixville, Pa., but I really didn't
know him. Just thinking that he flew all the way from Tx to Pa for the picnic
impressed me. Now, reading his biography, I am even more impressed. His
service to this country is outstanding. May God bless him and keep him. My
condolences to all affected.
Bill Varnes
In a message dated 5/26/2008 6:32:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lbuckley122(at)comcast.net writes:
Biography
John A. Williamson
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| Subject: | Re: John Williamson Autobiography |
| From: | "John H Murphy" <mailjohnmurphy(at)gmail.com> |
I met John for the first time at the Jean airport in Nevada last year (in May?)
when I was considering buying his Kolbra. He spent the night in a small tent
out at the Jean airport next to his aircraft. We had breakfast together and talked
about flying and our experiences in the Army. A very special man. John will
be sorely missed by all who new him.
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| From: | "Jim Hauck" <jimh474(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John Hauck going home |
Y'all;
I talked to Brother John yesterday. He is doin fine and taking his time
returning home. He should be home by Friday.
Jim Hauck
My thoughts and prayers are also with John Hauck.
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| From: | <airgriff(at)surferz.net> |
| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
Hi gang.
So sorry to hear of the tragic loss of John W. I had the pleasure of
meeting John at several fly-ins. What a wonderful man. My sympathy goes out
to his family, friends, and fellow flying buddies, such as John H. and
others. He will be missed by many. My prayers go out to all.
Bob Griffin
Berne NY
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| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Tragedy at Skinner Ranch, |
Ken,
John H stopped by here yesterday and we had a chance to visit,, and he
mentioned what a tremendous help you have been through all this. Thought
you would like to know.
My wife and I would like to send a card or something, I am sure that
anything we can do from here would be inadequate.
The last information I have for John is
1506 Antelope Run
Arlington TX 76002
Is this address still correct?
We would like to come out for the funeral but we don't think we would be
able to make it. But we need to do something, the conformation of the
address will help.
Boyd Young
Brigham City Ut.
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| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
I was out to the Brigham airport yesterday working on a water problem at one
of the fbo's when one of the workers pointed to a kolb on short final.
I looked up and saw John H,,, quickly dropped all my tools and announced I
would be right back. drove down to the gas pumps and visited for 15 min or
so. After saying our good buys I went back to work after calling my wife
to tell her to look up. She did not answer as she was outside already,,,,
her first thought was I was taking a afternoon flight, but my engine did not
sound just right, Johns 912s with the different exhaust system sounds,
according to my wife, exactly the same only different. When I returned
home I had 2 sets of neighbors tell me that they had seen me fly over. I
had to smile and tell them it was my friend.
A bitter sweet afternoon.
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIII C 500 + hours and counting
Brigham City Utah.
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| From: | TK <tkrolfe(at)toast.net> |
| Subject: | Fathers Day Fly-in |
Fellow Kolber's
At a time when we all are reeling from the loss of one of our own, John
Williamson. I find myself in the position of having to ask the Kolb
List group to let me know if your attending the Fathers Day Fly-in at
Homer and Clara's farm. When speaking to Clara, she asked if we were
still going through with the fly-in and I told her that I thought that
John would want it to still happen. The Kolb's are also stunned and
saddened at the news of John Williamson leaving us.
If you would please respond as to your intention to come to the fly-in
it will help them plan for the picnic they so generously provide each
time at.
For those that wish to camp out either Friday before that Saturday or
the evening after the fly-in, here are the choices as I know of them.
That same weekend, Friday through Sunday, there is an Ultralight fly-in
at Shreveport North in York County, PA about 77 miles to the west. Some
of us will be going there after the fly-in at Homer's Saturday afternoon
to camp that night. Then there is Smoketown Airport just east of
Lancaster, PA which is a very friendly airport where they will let you
camp and there are restrooms open 24 hr.s and places to eat within
walking distance. Smoketown is 36 miles west of Homer's. Also, Gene
Zimmerman has offered to have you stay at his place, a farm northwest of
Lancaster just east of Elizabethtown. Ask him and he will provide
directions, he on the List. He is about 54 miles from Homer's and a
good host. Last, there is my airstrip, Hideaway Airpark, listed on the
Washington sectional. It is a nice quiet place to camp and we can have
a large bonfire there. No restroom facilities other than the woods, but
my home is near by if needed and we could have a nice barbecue. I can
also supply transportation into the local town for anything else that
might be needed. My airstrip is southwest and 36 miles to Homer's also
and 11 miles south of Smoketown. These are better alternatives than
imposing on the Kolb's hospitality further by asking them to camp at
their place!
Saturday morning many will group up at Smoketown airport to make a large
flight to Homer's. Usually we try to leave there by 9 am. I understand
he really enjoys it when the sky is full of his airplanes above his
field. Other type planes are also welcome.
Hope you are making plans to attend and looking forward to seeing you
there!!! Please let me know so that I may inform Clara as to an
approximate number. Thank you!
Again, it is difficult to post this request in the present situation. I
know John Williamson and John Hauck with Steve Green were planning on
flying up here together for this. May his family find some comfort in
knowing how many people he touched and admired him! I was one!!
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
| From: | "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
Kolb Friends -
I am shocked, and saddened to hear the news from Ken K. John was always
willing and happy to go the extra mile to accommodate anyone who needed
his help.
I remember an occasion at Monument Valley two years ago where my
9-year-old son and I were about to go on a local flight, and wanted
someone to fly wingman with us to take pictures of us in our Mark-3. We
were working out some radio problems while everybody else had already
taken off for their morning flights, including John. By the time we
fixed our radio, folks had already returned and nobody wanted to go fly
again to accompany us. Except John. He cheerfully volunteered to go up
again to take some air-to-air pictures of us. I will cherish those
pictures forever.
Our heartfelt condolences to Mrs Williamson, the rest of John's family
and his many friends. We'll miss you, John!
Dennis Kirby
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| From: | "Dana Labhart" <njlabhart(at)alltel.net> |
My God!! What a loss. I feel short of words, but will work on
making it through this because I want to convey my condolences
to the family and friends of John Williamson.
Having walked in those shoes recently, I understand how what a
difficult time this is and it makes me cry for the loss and the
family. I know how touching these words of condolences can
be at a time like this. John was a "Top Notch" guy. Norm and I
had the privilege to know him and fly with him for a short bit on
the way to Oshkosh 2004.
He was always compassionate, understanding and friendly when
we met at the Kolb Homecomings after my loss of Norm when
many others didn't know what to say. I loved him for that.
I would like to extend a giant HEART HUG to the family. I know these
times are tough and hugs help. I will pray for God to give you strength
to get through.
However difficult, it is a comfort to know he may be going through
heaven's gates after being blessed enough to be able to do and go
with what he loved doing.
It is also a comfort to know how many peoples lives he touched
and how many appreciated him for the high caliber person he
was through and through.
HE WILL BE SADLY, SADLY MISSED.
Love to the family.....
Dana Labhart
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project aka birthdays |
Bob Noyer.
Anyone any news? He was very ill the last time we were in contact
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Kolb list Posting |
----- Original Message -----
From: Korenek, Ken
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:16 AM
Subject: Kolb list Posting
Larry,
Kindly post this to the list for me. I can't post it from work and
with the amount of time I have spent on matters other than work, I will
be here late tonight. I wanted this to go as sooner.
Thanks,
Ken
Kolbers,
The process of making all the final arrangements is going slowly. The
distance to the crash site and the remoteness of the area is adding to
the delays and difficulties.
The family is holding up as well as can be expected for such an
unexpected event. John's youngest son, Gabriel, is a contractor in
Iraq and is due home later today. His oldest son, Jason, lives just a
few miles away and has been by his mother's side since the news broke.
John's sister, Grace is here now and has taken the lead in making the
arrangements, tying up all the loose ends and getting everything to fall
into place. She is concentrating on the business at hand so that the
other family members can concentrate on healing. I have stepped back
into a supportive and advisory roll, just as it should be. I am amused
at how much John and his sister are alike. She has the same "take
charge and let's get this done" personality that John had and this
process will take place with the dignity and efficiency that it needs
and deserves. At one point yesterday during the long session with the
funeral director, I sat back and thought to myself, "You know, it is
almost as if John is here taking care of his final business himself."
Currently, the NTSB has completed its survey of the wreckage and crash
site and has released the airframe for salvage. I had a long
conversation with the chief investigator and he thinks he can publish
the final report in as soon as 6 to 9 months. (See Link: NTSB.GOV,
Aviation, Accident database, NTSB ID# SEA08LA138)
The typically required autopsy is scheduled to be performed today and
when completed, the body will be transported back to Arlington. Right
now, we think everything will fall into place and a chapel service
followed by a procession to the Dallas-Fort Worth National Cemetery for
a full honors military burial will occur on Tuesday, but that day is
still tentative; much has to occur before that date can be finalized.
This is where things stand today. Everything is still very
preliminary. Once the remains are released for transport, things will
fall into place very quickly and dates and times will be determined. I
will post that information as soon as they are set.
I have volunteered to write the eulogy to be read by the Military
Chaplin officiating at the civil service. I will concentrate on how
John touched and made a difference in my life and the lives of those who
knew him. I need your help; any input you guys may offer will help me
produce a eulogy befitting of John's life and memory. In turn, I will
post it here on the list as a final tribute to John. Your stories will
all be kept private and I will show everything received only to John's
wife, Beverly and if appropriate, to the immediate family. I am not a
professional writer, so any input will be welcomed.
Send to: kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com
Barring any unexpected events, this will be the last update until all
the times and dates are finalized.
Ken Korenek
Arlington, Texas
kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com
cell: 817-657-6500
home: 817-483-8054
work: 972-641-5029
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| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
It is with a heavy heart that I offer my most sincere condolences to John
Williamson=99s family and friends and the Kolb family. I was saddened
to learn
of John=99s accident from Steve Boetto, and I know the sadness this br
ings to
many. I can only image how much John will be missed by his family and the K
olb
family. He was a joyful man to know. In time, may all good memories ease th
e
sadness of his family and friends.
Sincerely,
Mary Jones, EAA Publications
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| From: | "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fathers Day Fly-in |
Terry,
I am still planning to fly up for the fly-in and camp somewhere Thursday
through Saturday nights.
The last few days have been really tough after hearing the news of John
Williamson. My best aviation memories are the trips that I have taken with
John W. and John H. I will always remember John's smile, his eagerness to
take a kid a ride at the Kolb Homecomings, his sunrise flights, and his
ability to quote the (current) FARs with ease. John was a brilliant man. I
first met him at the Kolb Homecoming, I think 2002, after he finished his
Kolbra, got to know him better on the Outer Banks/Kitty Hawk trip in 2003,
and spent most of a day with him at OSH 2005.
I will sincerely miss him. My prayers are with his family. May God's peace
be with them.
Steven Green
> Fellow Kolber's
>
> At a time when we all are reeling from the loss of one of our own, John
> Williamson. I find myself in the position of having to ask the Kolb List
> group to let me know if your attending the Fathers Day Fly-in at Homer and
> Clara's farm. When speaking to Clara, she asked if we were still going
> through with the fly-in and I told her that I thought that John would want
> it to still happen. The Kolb's are also stunned and saddened at the news
> of John Williamson leaving us.
>
> If you would please respond as to your intention to come to the fly-in it
> will help them plan for the picnic they so generously provide each time
> at.
>
> For those that wish to camp out either Friday before that Saturday or the
> evening after the fly-in, here are the choices as I know of them. That
> same weekend, Friday through Sunday, there is an Ultralight fly-in at
> Shreveport North in York County, PA about 77 miles to the west. Some of
> us will be going there after the fly-in at Homer's Saturday afternoon to
> camp that night. Then there is Smoketown Airport just east of Lancaster,
> PA which is a very friendly airport where they will let you camp and there
> are restrooms open 24 hr.s and places to eat within walking distance.
> Smoketown is 36 miles west of Homer's. Also, Gene Zimmerman has offered
> to have you stay at his place, a farm northwest of Lancaster just east of
> Elizabethtown. Ask him and he will provide directions, he on the List.
> He is about 54 miles from Homer's and a good host. Last, there is my
> airstrip, Hideaway Airpark, listed on the Washington sectional. It is a
> nice quiet place to camp and we can have a large bonfire there. No
> restroom facilities other than the woods, but my home is near by if needed
> and we could have a nice barbecue. I can also supply transportation into
> the local town for anything else that might be needed. My airstrip is
> southwest and 36 miles to Homer's also and 11 miles south of Smoketown.
> These are better alternatives than imposing on the Kolb's hospitality
> further by asking them to camp at their place!
>
> Saturday morning many will group up at Smoketown airport to make a large
> flight to Homer's. Usually we try to leave there by 9 am. I understand
> he really enjoys it when the sky is full of his airplanes above his field.
> Other type planes are also welcome.
>
> Hope you are making plans to attend and looking forward to seeing you
> there!!! Please let me know so that I may inform Clara as to an
> approximate number. Thank you!
>
> Again, it is difficult to post this request in the present situation. I
> know John Williamson and John Hauck with Steve Green were planning on
> flying up here together for this. May his family find some comfort in
> knowing how many people he touched and admired him! I was one!!
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
>
>
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Thank you Ken for posting the info for us in the Kolb group...and also for
helping the family of John's.
Jim Swan firestar ll Michigan
do not archive
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| From: | "Nelson, Craig" <craig.nelson(at)heraeus.com> |
It is with great difficulty I put fingers to the keys of my computer to
give condolences to family and friends of John. He is a wonderful
engaging person. I can't describe how he impacted my enthusiasm for
flight and my shared love of Helicopters and these home built Kolb
aircraft. The first time we met and spent a few moments to get
acquainted in the nose of my trailer in MV 4 years ago. I felt a brother
hood with his interest he expressed not only with words but his
continence, the look he conveyed, that friendly truly interested feel
from his eyes as he would share experiences...we would all enjoy his
demeanor.... The comments on the list....His smile that could bring a
warm sense of isn't this life great!!! Let's get on with it!!!!!!!!!!
To friends and family we can be glad to know and remember John
Uncle craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fathers Day Fly-in |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Terry,
I am UNABLE to attend this year. Last year was absolutely great experience for
me as the first and only (so far) Kolb group fly-in I've been able to attend.
That is where I met John Williamson and so many others who I've grown to know
a bit and appreciate a lot.
--------
Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
--------------------
It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching
for evidence which could support this.
- Bertrand Russell
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: John Williamson's Funeral Times are now Firm! |
----- Original Message -----
From: Korenek, Ken
Cc: bbwhite(at)embarqmail.com ; Morrow, David ; ghaley(at)wt.net ; Gary Shreve
; jandi(at)sbcglobal.net ; tomrjett(at)sbcglobal.net ;
tom.r.jett(at)wellsfargo.com ; joe102749(at)aol.com ;
coolejo(at)voughtaircraft.com ; hecilopter(at)hotmail.com ; skorenek(at)aisd.net
; mr.sully(at)tx.rr.com ; rsullivan(at)bellhelicopter.textron.com ;
fabfaye60(at)sbcglobal.net ; kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com ; jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: John Williamson's Funeral Times are now Firm!
All,
John Williamson's funeral schedule is now falling into place.
Moore Funeral Home
4216 South Bowen
Arlington, Tx. 76016
817-468-8111
Tuesday, June 3, 2008 Arlington, TX
11:00 AM Visitation at Funeral Home
12:00 PM Service at Funeral Home
2:00 PM Burial with Military Honors at Dallas Fort Worth National
Cemetery
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: John Williamson's Funeral Times are now Firm! |
Hi Folks:
Thanks for the info on John W's funeral arrangements.
Got out of Laramie in polar fleece and leather flight jacket, with gloves. Now
in Goodland, KS, sweating my butt off. ;-) The transition is miserable. May
turn around and fly back to Oregon.
Winds are 180 at 18 gusting to 28 mph. That is above the normal limits for me
and John W. May be on the ground here for a while. Looks like a nice place.
Friendly folks here.
john h
Goodland, KS
---- Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Korenek, Ken
> To: Larry Cottrell
> Cc: bbwhite(at)embarqmail.com ; Morrow, David ; ghaley(at)wt.net ; Gary Shreve ; jandi(at)sbcglobal.net
; tomrjett(at)sbcglobal.net ; tom.r.jett(at)wellsfargo.com ; joe102749(at)aol.com
; coolejo(at)voughtaircraft.com ; hecilopter(at)hotmail.com ; skorenek(at)aisd.net
; mr.sully(at)tx.rr.com ; rsullivan(at)bellhelicopter.textron.com ; fabfaye60(at)sbcglobal.net
; kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com ; jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:59 AM
> Subject: John Williamson's Funeral Times are now Firm!
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> John Williamson's funeral schedule is now falling into place.
>
>
>
> Moore Funeral Home
>
> 4216 South Bowen
>
> Arlington, Tx. 76016
>
> 817-468-8111
>
>
>
>
>
> Tuesday, June 3, 2008 Arlington, TX
>
> 11:00 AM Visitation at Funeral Home
>
> 12:00 PM Service at Funeral Home
>
> 2:00 PM Burial with Military Honors at Dallas Fort Worth National Cemetery
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
> 5/29/2008 7:27 AM
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| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
| From: | "Trudy Morgan" <trudy.morgan(at)aa.com> |
My husband and I were next door neighbors to John and his wife. He was always
very friendly. When our 1 year old took a tumble on the driveway he was the first
one to come over and ask if help was needed. Our last conversation was about
his kids and how he taught them to ride bikes when he lived in Germany. He
surely will be missed.. and our condolences go out to his family and all his
flying buddies.
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John Hauck going home |
Hi Gang:
Down for the day and night at Goodland, KS.
Winds now 26 gusting to 36 mph.
Folks at the FBO have given me permission to RON in their beautiful facility.
Upstairs is a choice of two very long couches. Also have a computer and cable
TV.
Before I told them I wanted to stay on the airport, the young lady at the desk
handed me car keys and directions to the nearest motel. Had to explain to her
I preferred to stay on the airport.
Take care,
john h
Goodland, KS
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| Subject: | Re: John Hauck going home |
John..if you get this before you leave Kansas, and just in case those strong winds
divert you a tad north of your intended course, the spare bedroom is unoccupied
and Sue said she would be glad to feed you again.
Strong storms predicted for tomorrow eve, so we can probably get Ms P'fer a spot
inside at 2HO (shelby county) if you need it.
Doors always open for ya pard.
Just call if you need...
217-254-4110 is my cell.
Don Gherardini
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John Hauck going home |
Folx at Goodland are obviously very great folk. Glad you made contact
with some nice people.
Fair winds,
Russ
On May 29, 2008, at 3:54 PM,
wrote:
>
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> Down for the day and night at Goodland, KS.
>
> Winds now 26 gusting to 36 mph.
>
> Folks at the FBO have given me permission to RON in their beautiful
> facility. Upstairs is a choice of two very long couches. Also
> have a computer and cable TV.
>
> Before I told them I wanted to stay on the airport, the young lady
> at the desk handed me car keys and directions to the nearest
> motel. Had to explain to her I preferred to stay on the airport.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> Goodland, KS
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fathers Day Fly-in |
Terry
I don't have your email address -- can you reply please?
Russ Kinne
On May 28, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Steven Green wrote:
>
>
>
> Terry,
>
> I am still planning to fly up for the fly-in and camp somewhere
> Thursday through Saturday nights.
>
> The last few days have been really tough after hearing the news of
> John Williamson. My best aviation memories are the trips that I
> have taken with John W. and John H. I will always remember John's
> smile, his eagerness to take a kid a ride at the Kolb Homecomings,
> his sunrise flights, and his ability to quote the (current) FARs
> with ease. John was a brilliant man. I first met him at the Kolb
> Homecoming, I think 2002, after he finished his Kolbra, got to know
> him better on the Outer Banks/Kitty Hawk trip in 2003, and spent
> most of a day with him at OSH 2005.
>
> I will sincerely miss him. My prayers are with his family. May
> God's peace be with them.
>
> Steven Green
>
>
>> Fellow Kolber's
>>
>> At a time when we all are reeling from the loss of one of our own,
>> John Williamson. I find myself in the position of having to ask
>> the Kolb List group to let me know if your attending the Fathers
>> Day Fly-in at Homer and Clara's farm. When speaking to Clara, she
>> asked if we were still going through with the fly-in and I told
>> her that I thought that John would want it to still happen. The
>> Kolb's are also stunned and saddened at the news of John
>> Williamson leaving us.
>>
>> If you would please respond as to your intention to come to the
>> fly-in it will help them plan for the picnic they so generously
>> provide each time at.
>>
>> For those that wish to camp out either Friday before that Saturday
>> or the evening after the fly-in, here are the choices as I know
>> of them. That same weekend, Friday through Sunday, there is an
>> Ultralight fly-in at Shreveport North in York County, PA about 77
>> miles to the west. Some of us will be going there after the fly-
>> in at Homer's Saturday afternoon to camp that night. Then there
>> is Smoketown Airport just east of Lancaster, PA which is a very
>> friendly airport where they will let you camp and there are
>> restrooms open 24 hr.s and places to eat within walking distance.
>> Smoketown is 36 miles west of Homer's. Also, Gene Zimmerman has
>> offered to have you stay at his place, a farm northwest of
>> Lancaster just east of Elizabethtown. Ask him and he will provide
>> directions, he on the List. He is about 54 miles from Homer's and
>> a good host. Last, there is my airstrip, Hideaway Airpark, listed
>> on the Washington sectional. It is a nice quiet place to camp and
>> we can have a large bonfire there. No restroom facilities other
>> than the woods, but my home is near by if needed and we could have
>> a nice barbecue. I can also supply transportation into the local
>> town for anything else that might be needed. My airstrip is
>> southwest and 36 miles to Homer's also and 11 miles south of
>> Smoketown. These are better alternatives than imposing on the
>> Kolb's hospitality further by asking them to camp at their place!
>>
>> Saturday morning many will group up at Smoketown airport to make a
>> large flight to Homer's. Usually we try to leave there by 9 am.
>> I understand he really enjoys it when the sky is full of his
>> airplanes above his field. Other type planes are also welcome.
>>
>> Hope you are making plans to attend and looking forward to seeing
>> you there!!! Please let me know so that I may inform Clara as to
>> an approximate number. Thank you!
>>
>> Again, it is difficult to post this request in the present
>> situation. I know John Williamson and John Hauck with Steve Green
>> were planning on flying up here together for this. May his family
>> find some comfort in knowing how many people he touched and
>> admired him! I was one!!
>>
>> Terry - FireFly #95
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fathers Day Fly-in |
Terry
Sorry false alarm.
Got it
Russ Kinne
On May 28, 2008, at 10:32 AM, TK wrote:
>
> Fellow Kolber's
>
> At a time when we all are reeling from the loss of one of our own,
> John Williamson. I find myself in the position of having to ask
> the Kolb List group to let me know if your attending the Fathers
> Day Fly-in at Homer and Clara's farm. When speaking to Clara, she
> asked if we were still going through with the fly-in and I told her
> that I thought that John would want it to still happen. The Kolb's
> are also stunned and saddened at the news of John Williamson
> leaving us.
>
> If you would please respond as to your intention to come to the fly-
> in it will help them plan for the picnic they so generously provide
> each time at.
>
> For those that wish to camp out either Friday before that Saturday
> or the evening after the fly-in, here are the choices as I know of
> them. That same weekend, Friday through Sunday, there is an
> Ultralight fly-in at Shreveport North in York County, PA about 77
> miles to the west. Some of us will be going there after the fly-in
> at Homer's Saturday afternoon to camp that night. Then there is
> Smoketown Airport just east of Lancaster, PA which is a very
> friendly airport where they will let you camp and there are
> restrooms open 24 hr.s and places to eat within walking distance.
> Smoketown is 36 miles west of Homer's. Also, Gene Zimmerman has
> offered to have you stay at his place, a farm northwest of
> Lancaster just east of Elizabethtown. Ask him and he will provide
> directions, he on the List. He is about 54 miles from Homer's and
> a good host. Last, there is my airstrip, Hideaway Airpark, listed
> on the Washington sectional. It is a nice quiet place to camp and
> we can have a large bonfire there. No restroom facilities other
> than the woods, but my home is near by if needed and we could have
> a nice barbecue. I can also supply transportation into the local
> town for anything else that might be needed. My airstrip is
> southwest and 36 miles to Homer's also and 11 miles south of
> Smoketown. These are better alternatives than imposing on the
> Kolb's hospitality further by asking them to camp at their place!
>
> Saturday morning many will group up at Smoketown airport to make a
> large flight to Homer's. Usually we try to leave there by 9 am. I
> understand he really enjoys it when the sky is full of his
> airplanes above his field. Other type planes are also welcome.
>
> Hope you are making plans to attend and looking forward to seeing
> you there!!! Please let me know so that I may inform Clara as to
> an approximate number. Thank you!
>
> Again, it is difficult to post this request in the present
> situation. I know John Williamson and John Hauck with Steve Green
> were planning on flying up here together for this. May his family
> find some comfort in knowing how many people he touched and admired
> him! I was one!!
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
>
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
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| Subject: | I need an altimeter |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
Does anyone have a used altimeter that they will be willing to sell to me.
My plane has a single pointer altimeter and I really dislike it! I want a 2 hand
altimeter(100 foot pointer) with the pressure window
The single needle makes it hard to maintain altitude since its hard to read for
one and hard to see change since the 100 foot lines are so close.
Grant
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | I need an altimeter |
Russ,
May I suggest eBay? They usually have everything under the sun. Unfortunately,
most things don't sell for "dirt cheap", due ot the high exposure, but at
least you can often find what you are after. Here's an example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kollsman-Aircraft-ALTIMETER-SERVOED-A42899-10-016_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ90977QQihZ007QQitemZ170222234666QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Best regards,
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
> Does anyone have a used altimeter that they will be willing to sell to me.
> Grant
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| Subject: | Unfinished MKIII Xtra for sale |
Hello all,
I am posting this for a person who is not on the list. The location is
Portland Oregon. Please use the contact info in the listing for any
questions.
Jason MKIIIC, Portland OR
KOLB MARK III EXTRA, 912 rotax-0 hrs, 28' bearcat trailer, bsr parachute,
dual controls, steel landing gear, hydraulic disk brakes, grand rapids
engine information system, 3 blade warp drive propeller, upholstery
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pump, 18 g aluminum fuel tank, landing light. Complete except for wing gap,
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$29,500
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| Subject: | Re: I need an altimeter |
| From: | "Dwight" <haydend(at)charter.net> |
I sent you an email.
Dwight
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| Subject: | Re: John Williamson's Funeral Times are now Firm! |
| From: | "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot1(at)tx.rr.com> |
For all those who want to know John's services are to be held Tuesday, June 3,
2008, 11:00am Visitation, 12:00pm Service at Moore & Sons Funeral Home South Bowen
Chapel. Interment will be at Dallas-Fort Worth National Cemetery at 2:00pm.
I wish to thank all of you for you kind thoughts and words. It has meant so much
to me to find out how many people John has touched. I am proud to know that
others found in him what I found the first time we met: what caught my eye and
stole my heart, the friendliest, most generous kind hearted person to know. I
will share with you I sent to John Hauck: We met Friday, May 13th 1977. I was
out on a date with another guy and he couldn't go to a class fish fry with me
the next day so he told me to ask one of the guys he introduced me to. I asked
John and he showed up 1 1/2 hours earlier then I told him to. He talked with
my dad the whole time. Dad instantly liked him. The next day he came to my graduation.
We dated the next 3 nights. He went out in the field came back the next
Tuesday. On Wednesday we had a date, came back to my home and set in his truck
talking. It was this moment that he told me that he thought that he would
never find a woman that he would want to spend the rest of his life with but
now he had. This was the night that he asked me to marry him. I was 17 he was
27. We married the day after I turned 18 and a week before he turned 28, July
25, 1977. My sister-in-law Grace asked about this and after going over the dates
and time frame it stuck me that he had asked me to marry him on the 25th. So
that day has double meaning to me: the day that the man that I would grow to
love and worship ask me to be his wife and the day 31 years later would be that
God chose to make him my angel to watch over me.
Many people told me I was an airplane pilots widow but in return I would state
that no I was a pilots wife who backs her mans joy of flying and would do nothing
to block or hinder that joy he found in the air soaring on the winds in the
seat behind the control or the aircraft that carried him to that height. I knew
when I met him what he was and the dangers that could be involved but did
not stop me from becoming his soul mate. John and I had 31 wonderful, joyful
years together and I would not trade that for anything in the world. Again thank
all of you for your support and being a part of his many flying adventures.
The young man he considered his grandson stated that: Now Grandpa John can fly
in his airplane always. This is from an 8 year old.
Beverly Williamson
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS, 1640 hours
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John Hauck going home |
Hi Gang:
Today was a near repeat of yesterday.
Made a few more miles, then put down by high wind at Neosho, MO. It was 20 gusting
to 35 mph when I landed. Always a lot of fun trying to land in those conditions.
Luckily, the wind was blowing right out of the south and aligned with
the runway.
Since I RON'd here last year, and the year before that, Neosho has a new FBO.
Same airport manager who gave me the keys to the courtesy car and permission to
sleep in the pilots lounge tonight.
Hope to make it home tomorrow, abot 580 miles. This has been a long drawn out
fight from Oregon.
Take care,
john h
MKIII - 2,820.2 hours
92ULS - 251.7 hours
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| From: | Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: john williamson |
I just came across the John W post and even though I have not met the man, I was
fully expecting to hook up with him and JH one of these days and do some Kolb
flying with both. I guess I am as dumbfounded as anyone at what I just read.
We have lost a few already from this list, folks be careful with this sport is
a tough one.
Ron (in NC)
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| From: | gary aman <gaman(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I need an altimeter |
Grant,
Found mine on E Bay,a Kollsman for 99.00 plus freight.There were lots to chose
from.
----- Original Message ----
From: grantr <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:57:18 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: I need an altimeter
Does anyone have a used altimeter that they will be willing to sell to me.
My plane has a single pointer altimeter and I really dislike it! I want a 2 hand
altimeter(100 foot pointer) with the pressure window
The single needle makes it hard to maintain altitude since its hard to read for
one and hard to see change since the 100 foot lines are so close.
Grant
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| From: | "Dan G." <azfirestar(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
I had communicated a little with John about flying the Butterfield Trail
this Fall. I feel very fortunate that I got to meet him at MV.
Immediately liked him. What a generous person. - with all the flying he
had done to get there and all the rest he had planned - he still was
more than happy to go up to photograph me flying around MV. He gave so
much to us and our sport that it seems everything has changed now. He
will be greatly missed. From the little I knew him, however, I'm sure
he is up there wishing us the best and wanting us to continue building
on the legacy he gave us. Godspeed to you, John
Dan Gilb
Tucson AZ
503 F2 N963DG
Dana Labhart wrote:
> My God!! What a loss. ...
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Hi Gang:
Miss P'fer and I landed at Gantt International Airport about 3 hours ago.
After making 5 missed approaches, the two jack asses, that were standing
face to face about 10 feet apart and midfield, finally decided to saunter
off the strip so I could land on my 6th attempt. Came so close to them
thought I was going to hit them, but they never flinched or changed their
position.
Must say it is good to be home safe and sound. Was a very long flight, 5
days duration, from the time I left Larry and Karen Cottrell's in SE Oregon
until I arrive home.
Been 19 days, 5,029.0 sm, 65.8 hours, since I took off for MV on 13 May
2005. Haven't added up the fuel burn yet, but if you multiply 65.8 X 5.6
GPH you will probably come pretty close to what was actually pumped into the
tank. I ran hard most of the way, minimum cruise 5,200 rpm and above. No
engine oil was required during the flight. The mkIII and 912ULS performed
flawlessly as expected. I am very proud of both. Proud the little airplane
worked so hard to carry me to some beautiful and exciting places in our
country. Glad I could share so much time with my wingman, John W. We had
the best flight yet, despite the weather problems we encountered. I can
assure you we were living out our dream and living life to the fullest.
Thanks for all the notes. I tried to answer most of them when I got
weathered in, but may have missed a few. If I did, please forgive me. It
was not intentional.
John W's funeral is Tuesday. I am not physically or emotionally capable of
attending the service in Arlington, TX, but I can assure you I will be there
in spirit. John W's Sister, Grace, told me I would be an Honorary Pall
Bearer, an honor I am very proud to have.
Take care,
john h
mkIII, 912ULS, 2,826.6 hours
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: John H Is Home |
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
Glad your back, John. That's a lot of thinking time...
Kip
--------
Kip
Firestar II (born September 2000)
Atlanta, GA
N111KX
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| From: | Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | I need an altimeter |
Here some brand new altimeters that are not expensive in aviation terms.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/in/altimeters.html
some of the digital ones are pretty good from what I can tell.
Ron (in NC)
===============================
---- Mike Welch wrote:
============
Russ,
May I suggest eBay? They usually have everything under the sun. Unfortunately,
most things don't sell for "dirt cheap", due ot the high exposure, but at
least you can often find what you are after. Here's an example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kollsman-Aircraft-ALTIMETER-SERVOED-A42899-10-016_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ90977QQihZ007QQitemZ170222234666QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Best regards,
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
> Does anyone have a used altimeter that they will be willing to sell to me.
> Grant
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aftermarket pistons for 447 |
Gang,
I am considering buying a top overhaul kit which includes pistons ,
rings, pins, circlips, and all gaskets off of e-bay from Will waynes store
OR
Jakdistributors. Has anyone on the list ever USED or had
any FIRST HAND experiences with these pistons from either of these two
sources?
Ed Diebel FF# 62
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Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Change of plans!! |
Kolb guys,
I WAS headed out in the morning, headed to Missouri. I've got my trailer loaded
with the MkIII and a lot of construction tools in the truck (Ford F450).
I was "ready to roll out!!"
I thought I'd do a quick practice run around the block, just to make sure everything
was tied down good. Fired up the truck put it in "drive"....and could
barely move forward!!! I went ahead and pulled out of the driveway and tried
to go around the block, but when I got to a slight incline......no go!!
I thought it might be just low on tranny fluid...so I added a few quarts (takes
17.5). Nothing!!
Before this crud popped up, I've never ever had any indication of ANY mechanical
problems, transmission or otherwise. It only has 48,000 miles on it.
My apologies for this not being very Kolb-like, but you guys ARE the smartest
guys I know.
Anyone with any automatic transmission knowledge?? I'd sure appreciate your
opinions off-list.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
PS. Scott, looks like I'll have time to send those photos you asked for...tomorrow.
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project aka birthdays |
Last he told me, earlier this month, was he would be in rehab and
'may get a laptop'. Don't know if he did or not.>>
Thanks Russ.
Pat
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Change of plans!! |
You got inertia brakes or what on the trailer?
On 1, Jun 2008, at 12:01 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
>
>
> Kolb guys,
>
> I WAS headed out in the morning, headed to Missouri. I've got my
> trailer loaded with the MkIII and a lot of construction tools in
> the truck (Ford F450). I was "ready to roll out!!"
>
> I thought I'd do a quick practice run around the block, just to
> make sure everything was tied down good. Fired up the truck put it
> in "drive"....and could barely move forward!!! I went ahead and
> pulled out of the driveway and tried to go around the block, but
> when I got to a slight incline......no go!!
>
> I thought it might be just low on tranny fluid...so I added a few
> quarts (takes 17.5). Nothing!!
>
> Before this crud popped up, I've never ever had any indication of
> ANY mechanical problems, transmission or otherwise. It only has
> 48,000 miles on it.
>
> My apologies for this not being very Kolb-like, but you guys ARE
> the smartest guys I know.
>
> Anyone with any automatic transmission knowledge?? I'd sure
> appreciate your opinions off-list.
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII CX
>
> PS. Scott, looks like I'll have time to send those photos you
> asked for...tomorrow.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the im Initiative from
> Microsoft.
>
>
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John H Is Home |
John
Glad you had such a good trip, despite all.
Glad also those were Democrats on your runway -- Elephants are so
much bigger!
Rus
On May 31, 2008, at 6:36 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Hi Gang:
>
> Miss P'fer and I landed at Gantt International Airport about 3
> hours ago.
>
> After making 5 missed approaches, the two jack asses, that were
> standing face to face about 10 feet apart and midfield, finally
> decided to saunter off the strip so I could land on my 6th
> attempt. Came so close to them thought I was going to hit them,
> but they never flinched or changed their position.
>
> Must say it is good to be home safe and sound. Was a very long
> flight, 5 days duration, from the time I left Larry and Karen
> Cottrell's in SE Oregon until I arrive home.
>
> Been 19 days, 5,029.0 sm, 65.8 hours, since I took off for MV on 13
> May 2005. Haven't added up the fuel burn yet, but if you multiply
> 65.8 X 5.6 GPH you will probably come pretty close to what was
> actually pumped into the tank. I ran hard most of the way, minimum
> cruise 5,200 rpm and above. No engine oil was required during the
> flight. The mkIII and 912ULS performed flawlessly as expected. I
> am very proud of both. Proud the little airplane worked so hard to
> carry me to some beautiful and exciting places in our country.
> Glad I could share so much time with my wingman, John W. We had
> the best flight yet, despite the weather problems we encountered.
> I can assure you we were living out our dream and living life to
> the fullest.
>
> Thanks for all the notes. I tried to answer most of them when I
> got weathered in, but may have missed a few. If I did, please
> forgive me. It was not intentional.
>
> John W's funeral is Tuesday. I am not physically or emotionally
> capable of attending the service in Arlington, TX, but I can assure
> you I will be there in spirit. John W's Sister, Grace, told me I
> would be an Honorary Pall Bearer, an honor I am very proud to have.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII, 912ULS, 2,826.6 hours
> hauck's holler, alabama
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Change of plans!! |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
> You got inertia brakes or what on the trailer?
>
>
>
>
That was my thinking, you sure there is not a brake being activiated on the trailer
? A Kolb in a trailer is not that heavy, your truck should barely even
notice its there !
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: 42 Old Coot ( Richard ) |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
planecrazzzy wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> Thanks for the reply...
>
> I didn't notice what you described.... Mostly because I "Barely"
> read this stuff myself....
>
> It's funny how "New Experts" pop up... ( JP ? )
>
> I like Big Lars definition...
>
> EX - Has been
> Spert - A little "Drip" under pressure
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
Mike,
Your post is a needless comment and a clear attempt to re ignite an old pissing
contest, especially at this time. You have been making these little nasty
comments on the list ever since I pointed out you were wrong about electric trim
systems. I surprised that you still need to lash out over something that
was finished months ago. Grow up and stop.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: I need an altimeter |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks all! I found one from a member here. I should have it today and test it
this weekend.
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| Subject: | Kolb twinstar cockpit |
| From: | "btcmed" <btcsurg(at)yahoo.com> |
Does anyone have plans for a twinstar or MKII cockpit enclosure? I would like to
add one to my twinstar. Can anyone help. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
In a message dated 5/27/2008 12:02:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com writes:
Gang,
I know it is overused and cliche but this is what I hope for John
steve
High Flight
Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings.
Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hovering there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air,
Up, up the long delirious burning blue.
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark or even eagle flew;
And while with silent uplifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God!
John Gillespie Magee Jr
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Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
Now that the dust has settled, just want to say one thing;
"John, you were everything you wanted to be." I guess you cant get any
better than that. Will miss you ole buddy. Ted Cowan, Alabama
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Firestar Project |
We went to the airport Sunday and changed gas tanks on the plane. Access was
by taking down the sling seat, and cutting out the dacron panel behind the seat.
I siphoned out all the gas I could, then pulled off the line coming from the
sump- it's used for a fuel gauge. The gas would not run out, and I couldn't
blow through the tube. The tank had a strap, which un-buckled easily. It also
had a "T" shaped clamp on top with a rivet, and I was able to twist and shear
the rivet. I unhooked the upper line, and unscrewed the sucker tube. It was copper,
and pure, fluffy green from corrosion. I cut a large hole in the front of
the tank, and used a razor knife to slit the tank, collapsing it from the inside.
There was about a pound of sand- large granules- inside! The sump fitting
was corroded shut, and plugged with sand.
The new five gallon tank was a bottom feed, so I only had to trim the hole
in the base plate to make it fit. New gas line and a filter were installed, with
chafe guards and tie wraps. to secure.
My wife spent the day taking a few pounds (!) of birds nests from the inside
of the main tube. I may be exaggerating a little, but she had a good start on
a hay bale. She mostly used a good tape measure with duct tape wrapped sticky
side out. I had a bad idea to run a "cleaning patch" made from a piece of carpet
pulled with mason's twine, and the string broke- leaving the carpet inside.
It took a while to poke it out. Next time I'll bring a compressor and send
an open air line through from the front.
There is a substantial weight difference between the parts I took out and the
ones I put in, so it's time for another weigh-in.
The old gas is going to be used to light charcoal- the contamination is so
bad I can't even use it in the lawnmower.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS/KX/447
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Firestar Project |
I need some ideas on a good, very simple, radio and headset combination. I would
like to tuck the radio in a pocket, rather than install on the plane, and
with an internal antenna. Just a simple starter set.
Also, on a 103 plane, somebody said there is no weight penalty for a strobe
light. Is this true? If so, any recommended ones?
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS/KX/447
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
At 07:04 AM 6/3/2008, william sullivan wrote:
> I need some ideas on a good, very simple, radio and headset
> combination. I would like to tuck the radio in a pocket, rather than
> install on the plane, and with an internal antenna. Just a simple starter set.
> Also, on a 103 plane, somebody said there is no weight penalty for a
> strobe light. Is this true? If so, any recommended ones?
Bill, I'm using the Icom A24. It's a good radio, the only problem with it
is that you must use an external antenna if you're using a headset;
otherwise you get horrible RF feedback when you transmit. That wasn't a
big deal; I just used the original rubber duck antenna on an extension
wire. Also you won't get very good performance if the antenna is close to
your body, like if you have it in a pocket.
I made a bracket for mine, with the original belt clip holding it on. I
figure I could make a good case for it not being "installed" on the aircraft:
<http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v486/flyparafan/Kolb/?action=view¤t=Dsc01382.jpg>
I use it with a Comtronics helmet that I won in a raffle.
Somebody told you wrong; strobes are not "Safety Devices Which are Intended
for Deployment in a Potentially Catastrophic Situation". I don't have one
now, but when I do I'll probably get the Kuntzleman. You'll also need a
Key West or similar voltage regulator that doesn't need a battery load.
-Dana
--
It's only premarital sex if you're going to get married.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Dana wrote:
> At 07:04 AM 6/3/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > If so, any recommended ones?
> >
>
>
> ...I don't have one now, but when I do I'll probably get the Kuntzleman. You'll
also need a Key West or similar voltage regulator that doesn't need a battery
load.
> -Dana
>
Bill et al:
If you don't have another need for 12V DC, Kuntzleman sells a strobe unit that runs directly off the lighting coil. Saves a few ounces a regulator/rectifier would cost you. ( http://www.kestrobes.com )
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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| From: | "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
Bill --
As Ellery said, no freebie on the strobe. The strobe is required if
you want to fly that 30 minutes after sunset that FAR 103 allows.
There are portable strobes which meet the 3 mile requirement that you
could create a cradle for... but the cradle might weigh as much as a
permanent strobe light.
For radio, the Yaesu VXA-150, Icom IC-A14, and similar radios with a
Lightspeed QFR XC is a really good and inexpensive combination for
ULs. Again, I'd suggest a cradle* over putting it in your pocket...
only the cradle itself would count for weight... you strap in the
radio to make it more secure during flight.
-- Robert
* RAM mounts make terrific cradles for radios
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:04 AM, william sullivan
wrote:
> I need some ideas on a good, very simple, radio and headset combination. I
> would like to tuck the radio in a pocket, rather than install on the plane,
> and with an internal antenna. Just a simple starter set.
> Also, on a 103 plane, somebody said there is no weight penalty for a
> strobe light. Is this true? If so, any recommended ones?
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS/KX/447
>
>
--
Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er, um....
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
As long as there is some info on radios going around.... I have an
Icom A-5, never used,
that I considered mounting on my MkIII. If you want to use aircraft
power the manual says you
HAVE to buy an intermediate device to lower the voltage. The built
in battery pack is crap.
-doesn't hold a charge for very long. Wonder why they didn't design
it for 12V ? (actually more
like 14-15V during run time)
What say you? -and y'all too :)
BB
On 3, Jun 2008, at 9:12 AM, Robert Laird wrote:
>
> Bill --
>
> As Ellery said, no freebie on the strobe. The strobe is required if
> you want to fly that 30 minutes after sunset that FAR 103 allows.
> There are portable strobes which meet the 3 mile requirement that you
> could create a cradle for... but the cradle might weigh as much as a
> permanent strobe light.
>
> For radio, the Yaesu VXA-150, Icom IC-A14, and similar radios with a
> Lightspeed QFR XC is a really good and inexpensive combination for
> ULs. Again, I'd suggest a cradle* over putting it in your pocket...
> only the cradle itself would count for weight... you strap in the
> radio to make it more secure during flight.
>
> -- Robert
>
> * RAM mounts make terrific cradles for radios
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:04 AM, william sullivan
> wrote:
>> I need some ideas on a good, very simple, radio and headset
>> combination. I
>> would like to tuck the radio in a pocket, rather than install on
>> the plane,
>> and with an internal antenna. Just a simple starter set.
>> Also, on a 103 plane, somebody said there is no weight penalty
>> for a
>> strobe light. Is this true? If so, any recommended ones?
>>
>> Bill Sullivan
>> Windsor Locks, Ct.
>> FS/KX/447
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other,
> er, um....
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
I have that "intermediate device" for my Icom that they sell (battery
eliminator) and have it plugged into the airplane battery, and it
works like a champ. Not sure how to answer your question except, it
is what it is... get the battery eliminator and you'll have no
worries.
-- Robert
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:13 AM, robert bean wrote:
>
> As long as there is some info on radios going around.... I have an Icom
> A-5, never used,
> that I considered mounting on my MkIII. If you want to use aircraft power
> the manual says you
> HAVE to buy an intermediate device to lower the voltage. The built in
> battery pack is crap.
> -doesn't hold a charge for very long. Wonder why they didn't design it for
> 12V ? (actually more
> like 14-15V during run time)
> What say you? -and y'all too :)
> BB
>
> On 3, Jun 2008, at 9:12 AM, Robert Laird wrote:
>
>>
>> Bill --
>>
>> As Ellery said, no freebie on the strobe. The strobe is required if
>> you want to fly that 30 minutes after sunset that FAR 103 allows.
>> There are portable strobes which meet the 3 mile requirement that you
>> could create a cradle for... but the cradle might weigh as much as a
>> permanent strobe light.
>>
>> For radio, the Yaesu VXA-150, Icom IC-A14, and similar radios with a
>> Lightspeed QFR XC is a really good and inexpensive combination for
>> ULs. Again, I'd suggest a cradle* over putting it in your pocket...
>> only the cradle itself would count for weight... you strap in the
>> radio to make it more secure during flight.
>>
>> -- Robert
>>
>> * RAM mounts make terrific cradles for radios
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:04 AM, william sullivan
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I need some ideas on a good, very simple, radio and headset combination.
>>> I
>>> would like to tuck the radio in a pocket, rather than install on the
>>> plane,
>>> and with an internal antenna. Just a simple starter set.
>>> Also, on a 103 plane, somebody said there is no weight penalty for a
>>> strobe light. Is this true? If so, any recommended ones?
>>>
>>> Bill Sullivan
>>> Windsor Locks, Ct.
>>> FS/KX/447
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er,
>> um....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er, um....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George Myers" <gmyers(at)grandecom.net> |
| Subject: | Firestar Project |
Icom makes a 12V adapter that you can wire into a regulator. I used one for
a few years. Works great. They cost 25 to 35 bucks.
ICOM CP-12L Cigarette Car Adapter A5 A23 CP-12L
George
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar Project
As long as there is some info on radios going around.... I have an
Icom A-5, never used,
that I considered mounting on my MkIII. If you want to use aircraft
power the manual says you
HAVE to buy an intermediate device to lower the voltage. The built
in battery pack is crap.
-doesn't hold a charge for very long. Wonder why they didn't design
it for 12V ? (actually more
like 14-15V during run time)
What say you? -and y'all too :)
BB
On 3, Jun 2008, at 9:12 AM, Robert Laird wrote:
>
> Bill --
>
> As Ellery said, no freebie on the strobe. The strobe is required if
> you want to fly that 30 minutes after sunset that FAR 103 allows.
> There are portable strobes which meet the 3 mile requirement that you
> could create a cradle for... but the cradle might weigh as much as a
> permanent strobe light.
>
> For radio, the Yaesu VXA-150, Icom IC-A14, and similar radios with a
> Lightspeed QFR XC is a really good and inexpensive combination for
> ULs. Again, I'd suggest a cradle* over putting it in your pocket...
> only the cradle itself would count for weight... you strap in the
> radio to make it more secure during flight.
>
> -- Robert
>
> * RAM mounts make terrific cradles for radios
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:04 AM, william sullivan
> wrote:
>> I need some ideas on a good, very simple, radio and headset
>> combination. I
>> would like to tuck the radio in a pocket, rather than install on
>> the plane,
>> and with an internal antenna. Just a simple starter set.
>> Also, on a 103 plane, somebody said there is no weight penalty
>> for a
>> strobe light. Is this true? If so, any recommended ones?
>>
>> Bill Sullivan
>> Windsor Locks, Ct.
>> FS/KX/447
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other,
> er, um....
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Kolbsters,
While we're on the subject of radio power, I thought I'd finally offer these
linear amplifiers I bought a few years ago. (I have two)
http://www.com-spec.com/cs10.htm
I purchased these a few years ago with the intention of using one, along with
my Icom hand-held radio, in my MkIII. I bought an extra one...just in case I
ever build another plane with the same type of radio set-up. ("why buy one,
when you can get two for twice the price"...is my motto)
These items are USED. They were removed from service in operational condition.
They do NOT come with a warranty. I will give a buyer a "one-week guarantee"
to test it. If it doesn't work, I will refund your money for the purchase
price.
OR!! If you want one, but you want ME to check it out first, before I mail it,
OK, but you may have to wait a week or more, until I get settled in Missouri
(ALL my Kolb parts are packed in my truck, including all electronics, etc.)
The reason I don't need them anymore is because I bought an Icom A200 panel mount
radio.
The price is $100 each. I will reserve one (or both) for you, until I can verify
they work correctly. These should be able to allow your handheld radio to
transmit and receive like a high power panel mount radio. (10 watts)
Let me know if you want one.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
Bob B:
I fly with minimum avionics, an ICOM A3 and a Garmin 196. The A3 is the
smallest and cheapest handheld ICOM offered some years ago. It has
performed flawlessly for me. I removed the battery and operate the
radio off the aircraft 12vdc bat.
I have been able to fly wherever I desired in CONUS, Canada, and Alaska.
I also have a PLB (personal locator beacon with internal GPS) that
operates on 406mz.
I have not found it necessary to load the little mkIII down with
expensive avionics in order to fly and enjoy traveling.
john h
mkIII - 2,800+ hours
PS: Have decided to fly to Homer Kolb's Fathers Day Flyin.
As long as there is some info on radios going around.... I have an
Icom A-5, BB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
At 09:07 AM 6/3/2008, George Alexander wrote:
>If you don't have another need for 12V DC, Kuntzleman sells a strobe unit
>that runs directly off the lighting coil. Saves a few ounces a
>regulator/rectifier would cost you. ( http://www.kestrobes.com )
That's a thought, though I'd like to have power for my GPS as well... it's
a handheld and the life of the internal two AAA batteries is limited
(currently I'm using a pair of C-cells as an external supply).
-Dana
--
I can see clearly now, the brain is gone...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Mike W:
I have a CS-10 on a shelf somewhere around here. It has been gathering
dust for years.
I'll give mine away if someone wants it.
In my previous msg one will probably get the idea that I have had no
requirement to transmit 150 miles or more based on the success of my
cross country flights. Even if I could xmit that far, I surely could
not receive the reply. ;-)
This last flight West I flew more than 5,000 miles. Never had a
requirement by regulation to use a radio period.
If you need a linear though, better get one while they are available.
john h
mkIII - 2,800+ hours
While we're on the subject of radio power, I thought I'd finally
offer these linear amplifiers I bought a few years ago. (I have two)
http://www.com-spec.com/cs10.htm
Mike Welch
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
At 11:13 AM 6/3/2008, robert bean wrote:
>...the manual says you
>HAVE to buy an intermediate device to lower the voltage. The built
>in battery pack is crap.
>-doesn't hold a charge for very long. Wonder why they didn't design
>it for 12V ?
Perhaps 'cuz they can sell you the special adapter?
11V IS kinda weird...
-Dana
--
I can see clearly now, the brain is gone...
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ion/welcome?sid=8AaMmLhqzbOXRQ
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| Subject: | Re: John Williamson |
| From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
I thought I would post a couple of my favorite pictures of John as well as some
pictures of the great flying John W, John H, Larry C. and I had in Eastern Oregon.
The closeup was taken at the 1st Rock House fly-in in 2006. The smiling
lady in the back of the Kolbra in the air-to-air shot is my wife Dayna. If
you look closely in the canyon picture, you can see John H. and John W. doing
what Kolbs do so well.
I really appreciated how John would take the time to educate me on issues of airspace,
weather, proper radio procedure, etc. He had a unique, positive, gentle
manner. He always conducted himself with self respect and respect and concern
for those around him. I am glad to have known him and will miss him.
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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MIke=C2-
You may no more about this than I. =C2-its been a while since I took my
HAM test..
BUT=C2-Adding power to the antenna is a good idea for reaching out=C2-
to touch someone as long as the=C2-Antenna=C2-isn't too close to and at
=C2-
eye level... This Radiation can cause you eye damage...
Their is a distance where this is no longer a real concern but I don't know
what that would be with a 10 watt output....=C2-
Handheld's are around .5 watt=C2-and can be bumped up to a higher level
=C2-
maybe 5 or 6 watts... But I never did that unless I had a Telescopic=C2-
Antenna Attached sending the Radial Radio wave over my head...
Just some food for thought...
N1BLZ or as I like to say =C2-( In one big LZ ) =C2-8-)
Mark..
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:54 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Radio power
Kolbsters,
While we're on the subject of radio power, I thought I'd finally offer the
se
linear amplifiers I bought a few years ago. (I have two)
http://www.com-spec.com/cs10.htm
I purchased these a few years ago with the intention of using one, along w
ith
my Icom hand-held radio, in my MkIII. I bought an extra one...just in case
I
ever build another plane with the same type of radio set-up. ("why buy one,
when you can get two for twice the price"...is my motto)
These items are USED. They were removed from service in operational
condition. They do NOT come with a warranty. I will give a buyer a "one-we
ek
guarantee" to test it. If it doesn't work, I will refund your money for the
purchase price.
OR!! If you want one, but you want ME to check it out first, before I mai
l
it, OK, but you may have to wait a week or more, until I get settled in Miss
ouri
(ALL my Kolb parts are packed in my truck, including all electronics, etc.)
The reason I don't need them anymore is because I bought an Icom A200 pane
l
mount radio.
The price is $100 each. I will reserve one (or both) for you, until I can
verify they work correctly. These should be able to allow your handheld rad
io
to transmit and receive like a high power panel mount radio. (10 watts)
Let me know if you want one.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Very nice pics. Thanks for the link.
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| From: | TK <tkrolfe(at)toast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> john h
> mkIII - 2,800+ hours
>
> PS: Have decided to fly to Homer Kolb's Fathers Day Flyin.
John,
Great news! I'm adding you to the list. Now I need to hear from any of
you that haven't responded yet and are planning on attending the Homer
Kolb Fathers Day Fly-in. I need to let Clara know how many are planning
on being there so she can make plans for the picnic. Please let me know
if your even thinking of coming!!! Just trying to make things work for
the Kolb's.
Terry - FireFly #95
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
David ,Thank you for some awesome Pics. I had tears in my eyes just watchin
g the slide show . They made me more determined to get there some day. It i
s a beautiful part of our country.--- Chris =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Origina
l Message ----=0AFrom: David Key <dhkey(at)msn.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.
com=0ASent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 1:35:44 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: MV Pictu
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
Bob.
A bunch of guys around here use their A-5s wired direct on 12 volt. I
became a bit concerned about mine when one guy's A-5 went south,
because I knew my actual voltage was close to 14 volts. I got one of
those variable volt adaptors at Walmart and have been running mine on
the 9 volt setting and it has been working just fine. The A-5 will
work fine wired direct without without batteries but only with the
double "A" battery holder installed. It will not power-up if you try
to use it without a battery without the double "A "battery holder.
Not sure why.
Gene
On Jun 3, 2008, at 11:13 AM, robert bean wrote:
> As long as there is some info on radios going around.... I have an
> Icom A-5, never used,
> that I considered mounting on my MkIII. If you want to use aircraft
> power the manual says you
> HAVE to buy an intermediate device to lower the voltage. The built
> in battery pack is crap.
> -doesn't hold a charge for very long. Wonder why they didn't design
> it for 12V ? (actually more
> like 14-15V during run time)
> What say you? -and y'all too :)
> BB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
Beautiful! We never see air that clear in Atlanta :(
--------
Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project aka Radio |
Just want to pass on some info.
I just bought an Icom A-6 with nickel metal hydride battery. Instructions
say to not charge but 8 hours- 12 max. If you go over that you will ruin the
battery. You must not leave even the on-board power connected for more than
that. Also, you should not let the battery discharge all the way and stay
there for a long time.
This would also apply to the A-5 or any other radio with Nimh battery
[probably Nicad too].
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
In a message dated 6/3/2008 11:17:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
slyck(at)frontiernet.net writes:
HAVE to buy an intermediate device to lower the voltage. The built
in battery pack is crap.
-doesn't hold a charge for very long.
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| From: | "Ken Korenek" <kkorenek(at)tx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | John Williamson Funeral |
Kolbers,
It is finished.
The funeral for John took place this afternoon. He had a civil service at
the funeral home and then a procession to the Dallas Fort Worth National
Cemetery for a full honors military burial.
The pageantry was impressive, a "missing man formation" fly-by (even if it
was a flight of RV's :>) ), a 21 Gun Salute and the playing of taps was the
appropriate end to the life of such an impressive man.
My friend. My flying buddy. My building buddy. My CFI.
So many people to miss, all wrapped up into one.
Ken Korenek
Arlington, Texas
Eulogy- John Andrew Williamson
Just before 11 AM, on a Sunday morning just over a week ago, John Williamson
came to the end of his allotted time here on earth.
Beverly lost her husband of 31 years.
Jason and Gabriel lost their Father.
Those of us here lost a friend and the rest of the world lost a good and
honorable man whose honesty and integrity is beyond reproach.
Born into humble surroundings, his youth was spent in various places in the
Pacific Northwest. Shortly after graduating from high school in 1968, John
enlisted in the US Army and began what was to become a highly decorated 20
year career. While on assignment at Fort Polk, Louisiana, John met the
love of his life. His military career being firmly established, John was
ready to start the civilian aspect of the American Dream. John and Beverly
married in 1977 and had their first child, Jason, in early 1978 with the
second, Gabriel, late in 1979. John's military career allowed them to
experience living in several places around the country as well as a few
years in Germany.
I won't go thru the details of his decorated military career. Though the
commendations and decorations associated with John's military career are
many in number, they only tell a portion of the remarkable story of John's
life. The only detail that I will mention is the one that John is most
proud of; John witnessed the downing or crash of 27 of his fellow aircraft
in Vietnam and he NEVER left a man behind. He did what he had to do to
ensure that every one of his downed warriors returned and without the loss
of a single life.
Reaching the 20 year mark of his career while the Army was firmly entrenched
in a peace-time mode, John decided that it was time to try his hand in the
civilian world. After being accepted as a pilot for American Airlines,
John ferried crews to and from off shore oil platforms while he waited for
his class date to convene. John's 13 year career with American Airlines
was as substantial as was his military career. Shortly after the 9/11
tragedy, which took all of the "fun" out of flying for the airlines, he
retired early to begin the final phase of his life.
Looking for ways to satisfy his passion for flying, John looked into the
options available in general aviation and settled on the world of homebuilt,
experimental aircraft. John threw himself into this hobby with the same
fervor that he had for the military and American Airlines. John soon
settled on an aircraft model that would most suit his flying wants and needs
and built the Kolb Kolbra that everyone knows him for. He built that
entire airplane in his garage with the help of Beverly, Jason and Gabriel.
He made the first flight of the Kolbra at the Arlington Municipal Airport
and shortly after finding hangar space there, he became a friend to everyone
he met.
John was eager to lend a hand anytime that it was needed. It did not
matter if that need was physical, procedural, or emotional. You would
never know in whose hangar you would find John, but it was a good bet that
you would find him where he was needed, lending a hand. Thought he was
always a rich source of accurate information, John was not a pretentious
man. He would readily admit when he made a mistake. But, he was correct
with annoying frequency, and he occasionally felt the need to quote chapter
and verse of the regulations. Although routinely correct, John would never
belittle you by "rubbing your nose in it." At air shows or just visiting
around the airport, John routinely found and emphasized the good things
about one's handiwork and never criticized the shortcomings.
Once, at an air show, a father and son were arguing bitterly. John quietly
approached the son and told him how lucky he was that his father wanted to
share his time with him and that he should not take that for granted. The
son saw fit to take John's observation to heart and made amends with his
father. John was quick with a joke, unafraid to compliment and was
reserved with criticism.
John's passion for flight and his vast flight experience, both at high
altitude and low, sometimes both impressed and scared many who knew him.
John knew what he was doing. John often flew low, lifting up over power
lines and zig-zagging to avoid flying over any one or any house that he came
upon. Once, when someone chided John about his low flying habits by saying
that he would scare many GA pilots to death, John simply remarked that "they
just don't have as much fun as I do."
John lived life to the fullest. To him, quality of life, not the mere
quantity of life, was what was most important.
John's last flying adventure saw him join up with a good friend on a two
week flight, first to Monument Valley, Utah for a weekend Kolb gathering and
then on to meet with others at the home of another close friend who lived in
remote Idaho. These four friends were out flying on that Sunday morning
and to state it simply, they were having a blast. It just turns out that
this time, instead of ending the day sitting under the wing, recanting the
days' flying highlights, it was spent in sorrow.
We will never know the reason why John was in a steep bank, low enough to
imperil his life.
We will never know why John made the decision to venture to the edge of the
envelope of safety.
We will never know the "why" of it all.
But we do know that he was there because he chose to be and it was not
because of carelessness or stupidity. Even when John was pushing the
envelope, he was a cautious pilot, ever conscious of the inherent perils of
flight.
As tragic as this all is, take refuge in the fact that John lived well and
that he died well. The weather that fateful morning was the best it had
been on the entire trip. John was out flying with some good friends in
some of the most beautiful country God created. Everyone there said that
they were all having more fun than they had had in a long time. Chasing
coyotes, following the landscape and feeling the rush of powered flight,
John's last moments on earth were filled experiencing the pure joy of his
life's passion. His passing was quick enough that the joy and pleasures he
was filled with were not spoiled by pain and misery.
John lived well and John died well.
Although not a religious man, John was a spiritual man in that he did take
solace in the beauty of nature. He went out of his way to photograph the
splendor of a vivid sunset and radio chatter was quiet in the serenity high
above the indescribable beauty of a solid cloud deck. The area that they
were flying in that morning was ruggedly beautiful and if John could have
had a say in the place of his demise, he likely would have approved.
John lived well in terms of how he positively touched the lives of those he
encountered. The true mark of a man is NOT a measure of the amount of
money he has in the bank or the number of possessions with which he
surrounds himself.
The true mark of a man is measured by the number of those who care enough to
grieve at his passing and the number of those who will gather together to
pay their last respects. The true mark of a man can be judged by the
number of those who will miss him when he is gone.
All one has to do is look around this room to see that John Williamson was a
remarkably wealthy man.
To sum all of this up in one, single, brief statement:
"Arlington Tower, Kolb four- niner- kilo- kilo, ready for takeoff . and
headed west."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Firestar project |
Thanks for the info on the radios, etc.
I went up to the field today to check on the tie-downs- stormed recently- and
to top off the gas. I decided to get in some slow speed taxi practice. The wind
was gusty and variable. This led to some quick down-wind trips, especially
when I went down over the slight hump at the north end to turn around. I usually
had to kill the engine to slow down enough to make the u-turn- no brakes. It
gave me a lot of in-the-cockpit re-start practice. Going back into the wind
it wasn't so bad. Except towards 4:30pm, when the wind swung around to the east
and gusted. I thought the right LG leg had bent, as everything leaned to the
right. One quick look and a gentle left aileron, and I put the left wing back
down. I had been running on the right wheel and the tail wheel, all at low speed.
I quick tied the plane up, and tarped it with some difficulty.
The engine still loads up on extended low rpm running. I think it may be running
rich at these speeds- under 3000rpm. It kind of bogs down for a couple of
seconds, then clears up. I have to check the book and maybe move the clip.
Also- more birds' nests! I don't know if we missed some, or the birds are still
building. Maybe duct tape for a parking plug.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct
FS/KX/447
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project aka Radio |
The Nimh is a superior battery. Mine is likely the Nicad. The only
one of those that I've had luck with is
my (old) heavy duty Milwaukee battery drill.
The battery in this Icom is also absurdly heavy.
BB
MkIII Mongrel
On 3, Jun 2008, at 10:07 PM, HShack(at)aol.com wrote:
> Just want to pass on some info.
>
> I just bought an Icom A-6 with nickel metal hydride battery.
> Instructions say to not charge but 8 hours- 12 max. If you go over
> that you will ruin the battery. You must not leave even the on-
> board power connected for more than that. Also, you should not let
> the battery discharge all the way and stay there for a long time.
>
> This would also apply to the A-5 or any other radio with Nimh
> battery [probably Nicad too].
>
> Howard Shackleford
> FS II
> SC
>
> In a message dated 6/3/2008 11:17:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> slyck(at)frontiernet.net writes:
> HAVE to buy an intermediate device to lower the voltage. The built
> in battery pack is crap.
> -doesn't hold a charge for very long.
>
>
> Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler
> Florence" on AOL Food.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project aka Radio |
At 10:07 PM 6/3/2008, HShack(at)aol.com wrote:
>Just want to pass on some info.
>
>I just bought an Icom A-6 with nickel metal hydride battery. Instructions
>say to not charge but 8 hours- 12 max. If you go over that you will ruin
>the battery. You must not leave even the on-board power connected for
>more than that. Also, you should not let the battery discharge all the
>way and stay there for a long time.
>
>This would also apply to the A-5 or any other radio with Nimh
>battery [probably Nicad too].
Same with the A-24. Just poor design... it's a trivial matter to build a
charger that charges at a low enough rate (C/10 or less) that the battery
won't be hurt by leaving it on indefinitely, though that means a long
(overnight) charge time, or if a faster charge is required, senses the
voltage and reverts to a trickle when the battery is fully charged. I
don't know what Icom was thinking.
-Dana
--
Access denied--nah nah na nah nah!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
At 11:11 PM 6/3/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>
> The engine still loads up on extended low rpm running. I think it may
> be running rich at these speeds- under 3000rpm. It kind of bogs down for
> a couple of seconds, then clears up. I have to check the book and maybe
> move the clip.
> Also- more birds' nests! I don't know if we missed some, or the birds
> are still building. Maybe duct tape for a parking plug.
Not the clip, that's more for higher rpm, cruise power. Under 3000 rpm
you're running on the pilot jet and the low speed mixture screw (if you
have one).
I fought the bird nest battle constantly when I had the T-Craft. Make sure
EVERY opening is sealed!
-Dana
--
Access denied--nah nah na nah nah!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jmmy Hankinson" <jhankin(at)planters.net> |
Has anyone considered using a drill battery for their radios. A clip could
be made and attached to the battery, My radio and GPS use the voltage
produced by the 447 and a Key West regulator. I have 4 Dewalt 14 volt
batteries that I could user.. They re-charge up quick.
Jimmy Hankinson
Firefly 447, N6007L
Rocky Ford, Ga.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John Williamson Funeral |
A very sensitive, touching, articulate, and honoring eulogy. John
Andrew Williamson is to be congratulated. A superb job at a tough time.
On Jun 3, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Ken Korenek wrote:
> Kolbers,
>
> It is finished.
>
> The funeral for John took place this afternoon. He had a civil
> service at the funeral home and then a procession to the Dallas
> Fort Worth National Cemetery for a full honors military burial.
>
> The pageantry was impressive, a =93missing man formation=94 fly-by
> (even if it was a flight of RV=92s :>) ), a 21 Gun Salute and the
> playing of taps was the appropriate end to the life of such an
> impressive man.
>
> My friend. My flying buddy. My building buddy. My CFI.
>
> So many people to miss, all wrapped up into one.
>
> Ken Korenek
> Arlington, Texas
>
>
> Eulogy- John Andrew Williamson
>
> Just before 11 AM, on a Sunday morning just over a week ago, John
> Williamson came to the end of his allotted time here on earth.
> Beverly lost her husband of 31 years.
> Jason and Gabriel lost their Father.
> Those of us here lost a friend and the rest of the world lost a
> good and honorable man whose honesty and integrity is beyond reproach.
> Born into humble surroundings, his youth was spent in various
> places in the Pacific Northwest. Shortly after graduating from
> high school in 1968, John enlisted in the US Army and began what
> was to become a highly decorated 20 year career. While on
> assignment at Fort Polk, Louisiana, John met the love of his
> life. His military career being firmly established, John was
> ready to start the civilian aspect of the American Dream. John
> and Beverly married in 1977 and had their first child, Jason, in
> early 1978 with the second, Gabriel, late in 1979. John=92s military
> career allowed them to experience living in several places around
> the country as well as a few years in Germany.
> I won=92t go thru the details of his decorated military career.
> Though the commendations and decorations associated with John=92s
> military career are many in number, they only tell a portion of the
> remarkable story of John=92s life. The only detail that I will
> mention is the one that John is most proud of; John witnessed the
> downing or crash of 27 of his fellow aircraft in Vietnam and he
> NEVER left a man behind. He did what he had to do to ensure that
> every one of his downed warriors returned and without the loss of a
> single life.
> Reaching the 20 year mark of his career while the Army was firmly
> entrenched in a peace-time mode, John decided that it was time to
> try his hand in the civilian world. After being accepted as a
> pilot for American Airlines, John ferried crews to and from off
> shore oil platforms while he waited for his class date to
> convene. John=92s 13 year career with American Airlines was as
> substantial as was his military career. Shortly after the 9/11
> tragedy, which took all of the =93fun=94 out of flying for the
> airlines, he retired early to begin the final phase of his life.
> Looking for ways to satisfy his passion for flying, John looked
> into the options available in general aviation and settled on the
> world of homebuilt, experimental aircraft. John threw himself
> into this hobby with the same fervor that he had for the military
> and American Airlines. John soon settled on an aircraft model
> that would most suit his flying wants and needs and built the Kolb
> Kolbra that everyone knows him for. He built that entire airplane
> in his garage with the help of Beverly, Jason and Gabriel. He
> made the first flight of the Kolbra at the Arlington Municipal
> Airport and shortly after finding hangar space there, he became a
> friend to everyone he met.
> John was eager to lend a hand anytime that it was needed. It did
> not matter if that need was physical, procedural, or emotional.
> You would never know in whose hangar you would find John, but it
> was a good bet that you would find him where he was needed, lending
> a hand. Thought he was always a rich source of accurate
> information, John was not a pretentious man. He would readily
> admit when he made a mistake. But, he was correct with annoying
> frequency, and he occasionally felt the need to quote chapter and
> verse of the regulations. Although routinely correct, John would
> never belittle you by =93rubbing your nose in it.=94 At air shows or
> just visiting around the airport, John routinely found and
> emphasized the good things about one=92s handiwork and never
> criticized the shortcomings.
> Once, at an air show, a father and son were arguing bitterly. John
> quietly approached the son and told him how lucky he was that his
> father wanted to share his time with him and that he should not
> take that for granted. The son saw fit to take John=92s observation
> to heart and made amends with his father. John was quick with a
> joke, unafraid to compliment and was reserved with criticism.
> John=92s passion for flight and his vast flight experience, both at
> high altitude and low, sometimes both impressed and scared many who
> knew him. John knew what he was doing. John often flew low,
> lifting up over power lines and zig-zagging to avoid flying over
> any one or any house that he came upon. Once, when someone chided
> John about his low flying habits by saying that he would scare many
> GA pilots to death, John simply remarked that =93they just don=92t
have
> as much fun as I do.=94
> John lived life to the fullest. To him, quality of life, not the
> mere quantity of life, was what was most important.
> John=92s last flying adventure saw him join up with a good friend on
> a two week flight, first to Monument Valley, Utah for a weekend
> Kolb gathering and then on to meet with others at the home of
> another close friend who lived in remote Idaho. These four
> friends were out flying on that Sunday morning and to state it
> simply, they were having a blast. It just turns out that this
> time, instead of ending the day sitting under the wing, recanting
> the days=92 flying highlights, it was spent in sorrow.
> We will never know the reason why John was in a steep bank, low
> enough to imperil his life.
> We will never know why John made the decision to venture to the
> edge of the envelope of safety.
> We will never know the =93why=94 of it all.
> But we do know that he was there because he chose to be and it was
> not because of carelessness or stupidity. Even when John was
> pushing the envelope, he was a cautious pilot, ever conscious of
> the inherent perils of flight.
> As tragic as this all is, take refuge in the fact that John lived
> well and that he died well. The weather that fateful morning was
> the best it had been on the entire trip. John was out flying with
> some good friends in some of the most beautiful country God
> created. Everyone there said that they were all having more fun
> than they had had in a long time. Chasing coyotes, following the
> landscape and feeling the rush of powered flight, John=92s last
> moments on earth were filled experiencing the pure joy of his
> life=92s passion. His passing was quick enough that the joy and
> pleasures he was filled with were not spoiled by pain and misery.
> John lived well and John died well.
> Although not a religious man, John was a spiritual man in that he
> did take solace in the beauty of nature. He went out of his way
> to photograph the splendor of a vivid sunset and radio chatter was
> quiet in the serenity high above the indescribable beauty of a
> solid cloud deck. The area that they were flying in that morning
> was ruggedly beautiful and if John could have had a say in the
> place of his demise, he likely would have approved.
> John lived well in terms of how he positively touched the lives of
> those he encountered. The true mark of a man is NOT a measure of
> the amount of money he has in the bank or the number of possessions
> with which he surrounds himself.
> The true mark of a man is measured by the number of those who care
> enough to grieve at his passing and the number of those who will
> gather together to pay their last respects. The true mark of a
> man can be judged by the number of those who will miss him when he
> is gone.
> All one has to do is look around this room to see that John
> Williamson was a remarkably wealthy man.
> To sum all of this up in one, single, brief statement:
> =93Arlington Tower, Kolb four- niner- kilo- kilo, ready for takeoff =85
> and headed west.=94
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Firestar Project |
Dana- I thought the clip on the Bing 54 was for a richer/leaner mixture to accomodate
for weather changes. I have to read up on it. I have 2 screws- a very large
one, and a small one near the air filter. I have NO experience with the Bings,
and both screws are located on the prop side. I am not going to try to get
my big fat hands in there with it running. It does start good, and re-starts
easily, so I think it will only be a minor adjustment.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS/KX/447
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TK <tkrolfe(at)toast.net> |
| Subject: | Fly-in to Homer's |
Gentlemen,
Here is the list of those that have indicated to me they will be going
to the fly-in at Homer & Clara's farm on Saturday, June 14. If there
are any additions or corrections, please advise.
Steve Green
George Alexander
John Hauck
Loyd Peterson
Dana Hague
Earl Zimmerman
Gene Zimmerman
Wilmer Zimmerman
John Murr
Dan Walter
Russ Kinne
Bill Varnes
Alan Mancus
Chuck Davis
Bob Bennethum - maybe
Jeff Tshudy - maybe
John Landis - maybe
Scott Olendorf - maybe
Myself
Terry - FireFly #95
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 09:36 AM 6/4/2008, Jmmy Hankinson wrote:
>Has anyone considered using a drill battery for their radios. A clip
>could be made and attached to the battery, My radio and GPS use the
>voltage produced by the 447 and a Key West regulator. I have 4 Dewalt 14
>volt batteries that I could user.. They re-charge up quick.
You'd just be paying extra for the drill battery packaging. Nicad or NiMh
cells are readily available, cheap, from lots of sources.
-Dana
--
A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in
human history... with the possible exception of handguns and tequila.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Firestar Project |
At 10:28 AM 6/4/2008, boyd wrote:
>...If you want to use aircraft
>power the manual says you
>HAVE to buy an intermediate device to lower the voltage.
>
>I have been working on a project to do that very thing,,,, I think I am
>getting close when I get the last problem or 2 resolved I will post it to
>the list.
Getting the required 11VDC requires only a simple voltage regulator
circuit... but engine power is typically rather dirty, so filters and such
are necessary. Seems I saw such a circuit somewhere online, but I don't
recall where.
-Dana
--
A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in
human history... with the possible exception of handguns and tequila.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
At 11:03 AM 6/4/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>Dana- I thought the clip on the Bing 54 was for a richer/leaner mixture to
>accomodate for weather changes. I have to read up on it. I have 2 screws-
>a very large one, and a small one near the air filter. I have NO
>experience with the Bings, and both screws are located on the prop side. I
>am not going to try to get my big fat hands in there with it running. It
>does start good, and re-starts easily, so I think it will only be a minor
>adjustment.
Correct, but needle clip affects the upper midrange. At WOT the needle has
no effect; the main jet controls the mixture there. At low rpm it's the
idle screw.
See:
http://www.ultralightnews.com/enginetroublshooting/techtips/techtips2.htm
and
http://www.ultralightnews.com/enginemaintenance/bingcarbtuning.htm
-Dana
--
A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in
human history... with the possible exception of handguns and tequila.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Ransom <bransom(at)ucdavis.edu> |
Long ago I spent very little time at airports, but that seems to be
changing, and because of that, I switched back to the original drum
brakes (OEM from Azusa ). They act as if out-of-round and it causes a
really annoying shimmy -- the varying brake power goes with each turn of
the wheel or wheels. Also long ago I looked into it enf to find that
one drum was in fact slightly out of round and replaced it, but the
problem is still bad. I've thought it might go away as shoes get
seated, but by now that may have been wishful thinking. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
-Ben
Firestar KXP
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project aka Radio |
an alternative approach for those who want to use an attached battery
pack is to buy the
AA holder, I think I saw it for $38 somewhere today, and put AA NiMH
in it.
The best ones I've found so far are Duracell 2650mAh that are the
ONLY ones that
will hold up in a battery hog cam I have. Available at Kmart. -
careful, a lot of them look
alike, look for the numbers.
I charge them in a slow charging Radio Shack charger.
BB
On 4, Jun 2008, at 8:14 AM, Dana Hague wrote:
> At 10:07 PM 6/3/2008, HShack(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Just want to pass on some info.
>>
>> I just bought an Icom A-6 with nickel metal hydride battery.
>> Instructions say to not charge but 8 hours- 12 max. If you go
>> over that you will ruin the battery. You must not leave even the
>> on-board power connected for more than that. Also, you should not
>> let the battery discharge all the way and stay there for a long time.
>>
>> This would also apply to the A-5 or any other radio with Nimh
>> battery [probably Nicad too].
>
> Same with the A-24. Just poor design... it's a trivial matter to
> build a charger that charges at a low enough rate (C/10 or less)
> that the battery won't be hurt by leaving it on indefinitely,
> though that means a long (overnight) charge time, or if a faster
> charge is required, senses the voltage and reverts to a trickle
> when the battery is fully charged. I don't know what Icom was
> thinking.
>
> -Dana
> --
> Access denied--nah nah na nah nah!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project) |
A very useful manual on Bing carbs is:
Bing Carburetors: Aircraft Tuning and Parts Manual
It tells you everything you could possibly want to know about Bing carbs. It's
available from Bing Agency International, in Council Grove, Kansas for $12 +
shipping. Their order line is 800-309-2464 or you can go online at www,bingcarburetor.com
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
--- On Wed, 6/4/08, Dana Hague wrote:
> From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar Project
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:07 PM
>
>
> At 11:03 AM 6/4/2008, william sullivan wrote:
> >Dana- I thought the clip on the Bing 54 was for a
> richer/leaner mixture to
> >accomodate for weather changes. I have to read up on
> it. I have 2 screws-
> >a very large one, and a small one near the air filter.
> I have NO
> >experience with the Bings, and both screws are located
> on the prop side. I
> >am not going to try to get my big fat hands in there
> with it running. It
> >does start good, and re-starts easily, so I think it
> will only be a minor
> >adjustment.
>
> Correct, but needle clip affects the upper midrange. At
> WOT the needle has
> no effect; the main jet controls the mixture there. At low
> rpm it's the
> idle screw.
>
> See:
>
> http://www.ultralightnews.com/enginetroublshooting/techtips/techtips2.htm
> and
> http://www.ultralightnews.com/enginemaintenance/bingcarbtuning.htm
>
> -Dana
> --
> A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any
> invention in
> human history... with the possible exception of handguns
> and tequila.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Flycrazy8(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fly-in @ Lower Alabama |
The Southern Flyers Association is putting on a Fly-N this weekend ( June
7th) . Would like to invite anyone who would like to Fly in or drive in ...
It's going to be held at Freedom Field in Slocomb, Alabama... Plenty to eat and
fun fellowship .... Check out the website for further information
_www.southernflyersul.com_ (http://www.southernflyersul.com)
Stephen Baxley
President SFA
Kolb Firefly
334-701-5333
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
At 07:08 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
>
>Long ago I spent very little time at airports, but that seems to be
>changing, and because of that, I switched back to the original drum
>brakes (OEM from Azusa ). They act as if out-of-round and it causes
>a really annoying shimmy -- the varying brake power goes with each
>turn of the wheel or wheels. Also long ago I looked into it enf to
>find that one drum was in fact slightly out of round and replaced
>it, but the problem is still bad. I've thought it might go away as
>shoes get seated, but by now that may have been wishful
>thinking. Any suggestions?
>Thanks,
>-Ben
>Firestar KXP
I had that problem a long time ago. Had a guy that put them on some
kind of lath? and
spun the drums. I guess he cut or sanded them "round" or true?
Anyway, he fixed the
problem for me.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb MKIIIC on eBay |
Anyone out there looking for a Kolb MKIIIC without engine. I just ran
across the listing. The current bid is $3551.00 There is a reserve but?
The seller just had someone back out of the deal so maybe he is
motivated to sell?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Vehicles-Trailers_Aircraft__Kolb-Mar
k-III-Classic-Experimental-Airplane-Nice_W0QQitemZ270241913342QQddnZOther
Q20VehiclesQ20Q26Q20TrailersQQadnZAircraftQQddiZ2828QQadiZ2829QQcmdZViewI
tem?hash=item270241913342&
or Item number: 270241913342
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb MKIIIC on eBay |
I`m the high bidder right now. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:40 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb MKIIIC on eBay
Anyone out there looking for a Kolb MKIIIC without engine. I just ran
across the listing. The current bid is $3551.00 There is a reserve but?
The seller just had someone back out of the deal so maybe he is
motivated to sell?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Vehicles-Trailers_Aircraft__Kolb-Mar
k-III-Classic-Experimental-Airplane-Nice_W0QQitemZ270241913342QQddnZOther
Q20VehiclesQ20Q26Q20TrailersQQadnZAircraftQQddiZ2828QQadiZ2829QQcmdZViewI
tem?hash=item270241913342&
or Item number: 270241913342
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Firestar Project aka Radio |
an alternative approach for those who want to use an attached battery pack
is to buy the
AA holder, I think I saw it for $38 somewhere today, and put AA NiMH in it.
The best ones I've found so far are Duracell 2650mAh that are the ONLY ones
that
will hold up in a battery hog cam I have. Available at Kmart. -careful, a
lot of them look
alike, look for the numbers.
I charge them in a slow charging Radio Shack charger.
BB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
OOOOOOK if a person was to take a battery holder and fill it up with
the rechargeable batteries of choice, feed it with the power from the
airplane through a choke and a resistor so that during flight it is
charging at a rate of 5 to 7 % of the rated amp hour rating of the
battery, you could take off power at any voltage level to power different
items in the aircraft. The trick here is to match the resistor, and the
internal resistance of the cells to get the charge rate equal to the current
drain of the running electronics plus the 5 to 7 %... this way you will
never have to charge the batteries outside the aircraft,,,,, when the
radio is in transmit mode it can use all the power required from the battery
pack, while in the receive mode it will be charging at a trickle rate.
With this approach,,,, as long as you turn off everything after flying,,,,
you will always have fully charged batteries that wont over charge. and you
only need enough cells to match the voltage setting of the radio. Make
sure you install a fuse,, and master switch for safety.
Boyd.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb MKIIIC on eBay |
Rick
Just what I have been looking for to do the VW installation ...
Worth maybe 8 to 10K? Herb
At 10:40 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
>Anyone out there looking for a Kolb MKIIIC without engine. I just
>ran across the listing. The current bid is $3551.00 There is a
>reserve but? The seller just had someone back out of the deal so
>maybe he is motivated to sell?
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Vehicles-Trailers_Aircraft__Kolb-Mark-III-Classic-Experimental-Airplane-Nice_W0QQitemZ270241913342QQddnZOtherQ20VehiclesQ20Q26Q20TrailersQQadnZAircraftQQddiZ2828QQadiZ2829QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270241913342>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Vehicles-Trailers_Aircraft__Kolb-Mark-III-Classic-Experimental-Airplane-Nice_W0QQitemZ270241913342QQddnZOtherQ20VehiclesQ20Q26Q20TrailersQQadnZAircraftQQddiZ2828QQadiZ2829QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270241913342&
>
>or Item number: 270241913342
>
>Rick Neilsen
>Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 11:14 AM 6/5/2008, Ben Ransom wrote:
>This (mountain bike disc brakes) is something I've always considered
>doing. As a gauge as to how much stopping power you get, how much rpm can
>you add before your Firestar starts to move with the brakes on?
>(and which engine?) Thanks.
I have the Black Max brakes on my Ultrastar. Though sold for aircraft, I
suspect they're based on mountain bike brakes. They will hold me against
full throttle.
-Dana
--
Canadian DOS prompt: EH?\>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Ransom <bransom(at)ucdavis.edu> |
Herb, Dana,
Wow, full static. That's impressive -- -to imagine having to not over
brake in my Kolb. What a concept! (I'd be very happy with even 4k +
smooth braking)
-Ben
Dana Hague wrote:
>
> At 11:14 AM 6/5/2008, Ben Ransom wrote:
>
>> This (mountain bike disc brakes) is something I've always considered
>> doing. As a gauge as to how much stopping power you get, how much
>> rpm can you add before your Firestar starts to move with the brakes on?
>> (and which engine?) Thanks.
>
> I have the Black Max brakes on my Ultrastar. Though sold for
> aircraft, I suspect they're based on mountain bike brakes. They will
> hold me against full throttle.
>
> -Dana
>
>
> --
> Canadian DOS prompt: EH?\>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
Yep, what your experiencing has always been a problem. Some are
worst than others. There are a couple other options that may take a
mod to the axle bracket. One is switching to band brakes - may not
be quite as strong as the expansion type. Since they still use the
drum they may till produce the same problem but generally better
since the bands float. The other is look into the Tracy O'Brien
hydraulic disk brakes.
http://www.tracyobrien.com/
They work good on CGS Hawks. Should be able to adapt them to a Kolb
by adding a back mounting plate to the axle bracket. Uses a
hydraulic hand activated lever much like the brakes you have
now. Took less than two hours to install and bleed out on a CGS Hawk.
jerb
At 09:07 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
>
>At 07:08 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>Long ago I spent very little time at airports, but that seems to be
>>changing, and because of that, I switched back to the original drum
>>brakes (OEM from Azusa ). They act as if out-of-round and it
>>causes a really annoying shimmy -- the varying brake power goes
>>with each turn of the wheel or wheels. Also long ago I looked into
>>it enf to find that one drum was in fact slightly out of round and
>>replaced it, but the problem is still bad. I've thought it might
>>go away as shoes get seated, but by now that may have been wishful
>>thinking. Any suggestions?
>>Thanks,
>>-Ben
>>Firestar KXP
>
>I had that problem a long time ago. Had a guy that put them on some
>kind of lath? and
>spun the drums. I guess he cut or sanded them "round" or true?
>Anyway, he fixed the
>problem for me.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 01:09 PM 6/5/2008, Ben Ransom wrote:
>
>Herb, Dana,
>Wow, full static. That's impressive -- -to imagine having to not over
>brake in my Kolb. What a concept! (I'd be very happy with even 4k +
>smooth braking)
Well, the thrust line on my US is a wee bit lower than all the other
Kolbs... :)
-Dana
--
I no longer need to punish, deceive or compromise myself. Unless, of
course, I want to stay employed.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 09:36 PM 6/5/2008, lcottrell wrote:
>I have considered the Tracy Obrien route, but I'm addicted to separate
>brakes. They make life so much easier. I just made a deal to use two
>bicycle brake handles with the originals. Has any one priced or figured
>out how to do the separate braking with the Tracy's
I have the Black Max brakes (which normally come with a single hand
operated master cylinder) on my Ultrastar, operated independently by a pair
of Hegar heel brake master cylinders. Makes a great combination.
-Dana
--
They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
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| From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Ben,
I have the Black Max brakes with the stock hand grip master cylinder on my KXP.
I can only get to about 4200RPM with full back stick before the nose starts
to go over, but no slippage. The brakes can make the tires skid on landing if
you have enough grip (oops). They were a great solution for me as I needed new
axles and wheels anyway. $389 for brakes, axles, & wheels is a good deal.
Don't get the included tires though. They won't hold up, especially if you want
to land off airport. Routing the little plastic brake lines is a lot easier
to do in a tidy manner than cables. If you are interested in the Black Max
brakes, go to their website (flyfbi.com) and look at the drawings in the installation
manual .pdf file. It is a bone simple, well thought out design and plenty
for a KXP with a 503.
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| From: | "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
ben, kolb aircraft stopped selling these type brakes for this very reason,
we now use the OBRIAN HYDRAULIC disc brake, DONNIE.----- Original
Message -----
From: "Ben Ransom" <bransom(at)ucdavis.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:08 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: brakes ?
>
> Long ago I spent very little time at airports, but that seems to be
> changing, and because of that, I switched back to the original drum
> brakes (OEM from Azusa ). They act as if out-of-round and it causes a
> really annoying shimmy -- the varying brake power goes with each turn of
> the wheel or wheels. Also long ago I looked into it enf to find that
> one drum was in fact slightly out of round and replaced it, but the
> problem is still bad. I've thought it might go away as shoes get
> seated, but by now that may have been wishful thinking. Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
> -Ben
> Firestar KXP
>
>
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| Subject: | Nauga Field Fly Around - Starhill, LA July 11, 12, 13 |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Two weeks ago I didn't think I would be sending this announcement. This event
was started last year when John Williamson and John Hauck called me from Homer's
and said they will be here the second weekend in July. I had seriously considered
canceling the Fly-Around this year. It just wouldn't be the same without
John W and it won't be the same. However, after a few notes back and forth
with John H and a few other folks, I was convinced that the one thing that would
aggravate and disappoint John Williamson would be for us not to do what he
loved most.
So the Nauga Field Fly-Around is on. It will be held July 11th, 12th and 13th.
Nauga Field (LS35) is located ~ 15 nm north of Baton Rouge, LA in the wonderful
community of Starhill, LA.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/LS35
FAA Identifier: LS35
Lat/Long: 30-45-45.1000N / 091-16-38.1000W
30-45.751667N / 091-16.635000W
30.7625278 / -91.2772500
(estimated)
Elevation: 38 ft. / 12 m (estimated)
>From city: 5 miles E of ST FRANCISVILLE, LA
Nauga Field is a short grass strip with obstacles (trees) at both ends. Kolbs can
handle this fine, but not much else. If you are not proficient at short field
landings over obstacles then Nauga Field will be very intimidating. The runway
is 1550 ft tree line to tree line. Thresholds are displaced 450 ft from
both ends. You can use what you can get down to.
In July, the density altitude will be at least 2000 feet due to the heat and humidity.
No two person operation because of that. David Key can verify this if
you need. If you plan on flying in and are not used to short grass strips,
please practice or don't fly in for your safety and ours.
There is a camp/FBO. Showers and serious restroom facilities are available across
the road at the Starhill Fire Station.
Camping is the preferred option. It will be hot.
We'll provide most of the groceries.
Friday Lunch - cold cut sandwiches (maybe chicken/sausage gumbo)
Supper - red beans & rice w/ sausage & cornbread (John H)
Satuday
Breakfast
Lunch - fly to False River (HZR) for EAA chapter 244 fish fry
Supper - hope to have wild pig feast
Sunday
Breakfast stuff
Lunch if you need it and haven't departed.
You won't go hungry. We don't charge. There is a tip/donation jar only. Give
as you deem appropriate.
Saturday evening we'll try to have the shortest landing contest. John H won last
year by landing with his brakes locked (wet grass).
This is a Fly Around. The main entertainment is flying our Kolbs.
Let me know if you plan on attending so we can plan the menus and groceries. Also,
if there is enough interest, there will be T-shirts. So include your shirt
size.
We had a blast year even with marginal weather at times. Come pass a good time!
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nauga Field Fly Around - Starhill, LA July 11, 12, 13 |
> Let me know if you plan on attending so we can plan the menus and
groceries. Also, if there is enough interest, there will be T-shirts. So
include your shirt size.
>
> We had a blast year even with marginal weather at times. Come pass a good
> time!
>
> --------
> Thanks too much,
>
> John Bickham
> Mark III-C w/ 912UL
> St. Francisville, LA
Hi Folks:
As John B said, "Come pass a good time!!!"
This is Cajun Country, Nauga Field, Starhill, LA. We did have a great time
last year, despite record amounts of good ole Louisiana, heat, and skeeters.
The local folks at Starhill are determined to make all the people that fly
in as welcome, comfortable, and fed as possible.
I agree with John B, John W would be put out if we were to cancel out
because of John W's unexpected departure. This is what John W and the rest
of us little airplane pilots love to do, fly somewhere, meet up with out
fellow pilots and friends, and have some fun.
Put me down as the first to let you know I will be there.
I wear a size large T-Shirt. I am mighty proud of last year's T-Shirt.
I am also extremely proud of receiving the first ever Nauga Trophy for
winning the Short Field Landing contest. If we have a nuther one, better
watch out..........
I firmly believe if Ronnie Morgan knows we are coming, he'll go out and
catch a wild hawg for Saturday night supper. ;-)
john h
mkIII - 2,800+ hours
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nauga Field Fly Around - Starhill, LA July 11, 12, 13 |
> We had a blast year even with marginal weather at times. Come pass a
good time!
>
> --------
> Thanks too much,
>
> John Bickham
> Mark III-C w/ 912UL
> St. Francisville, LA
John B:
Here are a couple photos of your airstrip you attached to your initial msg
to the Kolb List last January:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/nauga_field_nw_end_348.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/nauga_field_se_end_469.jpg
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nauga Field Fly Around - Starhill, LA July 11, 12, 13 |
John,
I am still planning to be there.
Steven
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| From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
I got an interesting e-mail out of the blue the other day. Here it is:
Roger:
We noticed your posting in April and were sorry to see that you could not use the
BR8ES spark plugs you ordered in May 2006. We checked to see if we could find
the e-mail you sent providing the NGK part numbers for the solid top plugs,
but so far we have not been able to retrieve the message in the archives. We
show that we received e-mails from you in November 2006 and January 2007. I do
not know why your e-mail about the plugs was not answered but I do apologize
for this oversight.
Can you provide the information you sent in the e-mail regarding these plugs, as
we certainly would like to stock the version of the plugs which is better for
aircraft applications. The statement we have about the NGK plugs being for non-aviation
uses was put there at the demand of our supplier; we could not get
the plugs from them without this disclaimer. If we can get more information on
the solid top plugs and correct part numbers from you, we will work on finding
a supplier for these plugs.
Thanks for any information you can provide on the plugs; it will be much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Jim Irwin
President, Aircraft Spruce
Here is what I sent back and the reply:
Jim,
Thanks for revisiting this subject. You wont find an e-mail, I submitted my comments
in the feedback box in the customer service area of your website. Im sorry
if my post was misleading in that manner (I will post a correction). As
far as I can tell from the NGK website, part numbers for solid and screw top plugs
are identical, but the stock numbers are different. The NGK stock number
for the B8ES solid top plugs is 3683. The stock number for the BR8ES solid top
plug is 3961. I have been buying mine from sparkplugs.com. Their part number
is the plug number followed by the word solid, as in BR8ES Solid.
I hope this helps,
Roger
N1782C
The reply:
Roger:
Thanks for the additional information on the solid top NGK spark plugs. We have
been chasing these down for the past week or so and should have them in stock
soon. We appreciate your help.....have a great weekend!
Regards,
Jim Irwin
Aircraft Spruce
Looks like Aircraft Spruce is serious about customer service![/quote]
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| From: | TK <tkrolfe(at)toast.net> |
| Subject: | Fly-in to Homer's |
Gentlemen,
Here an updated list of those that have indicated to me they will be going
to the fly-in at Homer & Clara's farm on Saturday, June 14. If there
are any additions or corrections, please advise. Looks like a nice
group forming up.
Lets all hope for good weather again!!!!
Steve Green
George Alexander
John Hauck
Loyd Peterson
Dana Hague
Earl Zimmerman
Gene Zimmerman
Wilmer Zimmerman
John Murr
Dan Walter
Russ Kinne
Bill Varnes
Alan Mancus
Chuck Davis
John Landis
Dave Kulp
Bob Brasher
Bob Bennethum - maybe
Jeff Tshudy - maybe
Ellery & Vic - maybe
Scott Olendorf - maybe
& Myself
Terry - FireFly #95
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Its very impressive that Aircraft Spruce monitors these forums to determine customer
satisfaction. They responded to one of my comments here in this forum last
year. Good for them, it shows they care what people think about their experience
in buying from Aircraft Spruce, and are constantly working to improve
their service.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
Kip, how do you like your windshield?
Trying to find one that is easy or easier to get in & out of.
My old one is a fair amount of trouble lifting it up
and ducking under it - but I sometimes need one for trips and stuff.
Where does the wind hit you? I would guess on the shoulders.
I've got to make another one anyway & thought I'd try out
the way you've got yours cut. Don't want doors/bars/tubes/hinges
I've got a piece of formed plastic from Todd's Canopies off of an "escape pod"
that I can cut in half (enough to make two canopies).
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Got it mounted & tested it today (went to Guntersville Ala. & back) -
works great, no wind & still cool in the 90+
degrees we are having.
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
At 01:28 PM 6/3/2008, you wrote:
>Mike W:
>
>I have a CS-10 on a shelf somewhere around here. It has been
>gathering dust for years.
>
>I'll give mine away if someone wants it.
I'll send you $50 if you can find it & mail it to me.
I can hear for 30 miles, but I have trouble transmitting
very far on my hand held. We used to put amplifiers on
our CBs (back in the old days) & they worked pretty
good in our flying lawnchairs.
Stan?
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
At 01:28 PM 6/3/2008, you wrote:
>Mike W:
>
>I have a CS-10 on a shelf somewhere around here. It has been
>gathering dust for years.
>
>I'll give mine away if someone wants it.
I'll send you $50 if you can find it & mail it to me.
I can hear for 30 miles, but I have trouble transmitting
very far on my hand held. We used to put amplifiers on
our CBs (back in the old days) & they worked pretty
good in our flying lawnchairs.
Stan?
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| From: | gary aman <gaman(at)att.net> |
My local NAPA store was an easy source for the solid tip BR8ES plugs.=0A
=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: R. Hankins <rphanks(at)grantspass.co
m>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, June 6, 2008 8:10:23 PM=0A
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spark plugs you ordered in May 2006. We checked to see if we could find the
e-mail you sent providing the NGK part numbers for the solid top plugs, bu
t so far we have not been able to retrieve the message in the archives. We
show that we received e-mails from you in November 2006 and January 2007. I
do not know why your e-mail about the plugs was not answered but I do apol
ogize for this oversight. =0A=0A=0A=0ACan you provide the information you s
ent in the e-mail regarding these plugs, as we certainly would like to stoc
k the version of the plugs which is better for aircraft applications. The s
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ere at the demand of our supplier; we could not get the plugs from them wit
hout this disclaimer. If we can get more information on the solid top plugs
and correct part numbers from you, we will work on finding a supplier for
these plugs.=0A=0A=0A=0AThanks for any information you can provide on the p
lugs; it will be much appreciated.=0A=0A=0A=0ABest Regards,=0A=0A=0A=0AJim
Irwin=0A=0APresident, Aircraft Spruce=0A=0AHere is what I sent back and the
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manner (I will post a correction). As far as I can tell from the NGK websi
te, part numbers for solid and screw top plugs are identical, but the stock
numbers are different. The NGK stock number for the B8ES solid top plugs i
s 3683. The stock number for the BR8ES solid top plug is 3961. I have bee
n buying mine from sparkplugs.com. Their part number is the plug number fo
llowed by the word =93solid,=94 as in =93BR8ES Solid=94. =0A=0A=0A=0AI hop
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====
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Where is everybody? I must have missed another gathering? or is my email on
the fritz? chris=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: gary aman
=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, June 8, 2008
12:50:14 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Spark Plugs=0A=0A=0AMy local NAPA
store was an easy source for the solid tip- BR8ES plugs.=0A=0A=0A----- O
riginal Message ----=0AFrom: R. Hankins <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>=0ATo: kolb
-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, June 6, 2008 8:10:23 PM=0ASubject: Kolb
rphanks(at)grantspass.com>=0A=0AI got an interesting e-mail out of the blue th
e other day.- Here it is:=0A=0ARoger:=0A=0A=0A=0AWe noticed your posting
in April and were sorry to see that you could not use the BR8ES spark plugs
you ordered in May 2006. We checked to see if we could find the e-mail you
sent providing the NGK part numbers for the solid top plugs, but so far we
have not been able to retrieve the message in the archives. We show that w
e received e-mails from you in November 2006 and January 2007. I do not kno
w why your e-mail about the plugs was not answered but I do apologize for t
his oversight. =0A=0A=0A=0ACan you provide the information you sent in the
e-mail regarding these plugs, as we certainly would like to stock the versi
on of the plugs which is better for aircraft applications. The statement we
have about the NGK plugs being for non-aviation uses was put there at the
demand of our supplier; we could not get the plugs from them without this d
isclaimer. If we can get more information on the solid top plugs and correc
t part numbers from you, we will work on finding a supplier for these plugs
.=0A=0A=0A=0AThanks for any information you can provide on the plugs; it wi
ll be much appreciated.=0A=0A=0A=0ABest Regards,=0A=0A=0A=0AJim Irwin=0A=0A
President, Aircraft Spruce=0A=0AHere is what I sent back and the reply:=0A
=0AJim,=0A=0AThanks for revisiting this subject.- You won=92t find an e-m
ail, I submitted my comments in the feedback box in the customer service ar
ea of your website.- I=92m sorry if my post was misleading in that manner
(I will post a correction).- As far as I can tell from the NGK website,
part numbers for solid and screw top plugs are identical, but the stock num
bers are different. The NGK stock number for the B8ES solid top plugs is 36
83.- The stock number for the BR8ES solid top plug is 3961.- I have bee
n buying mine from sparkplugs.com.- Their part number is the plug number
followed by the word =93solid,=94 as in =93BR8ES Solid=94.- =0A=0A=0A=0AI
hope this helps,=0A=0A=0A=0ARoger=0A=0AN1782C=0A=0AThe reply:=0A=0ARoger:
=0A=0AThanks for the additional information on the solid top NGK spark plug
s. We have been chasing these down for the past week or so and should have
them in stock soon. We appreciate your help.....have a great weekend!=0A=0A
Regards,=0A=0AJim Irwin=0AAircraft Spruce=0A=0ALooks like Aircraft Spruce i
s serious about customer service![/quote]=0A=0A--------=0ARoger in Oregon
=0A1992 KXP 503 - N1782C=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Aht
============= =0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 04:35 PM 6/8/2008, chris davis wrote:
>Where is everybody? I must have missed another gathering? or is my email
>on the fritz? chris
Everybody's flying, at that's what _I_ did all weekend!
Went to my local Advance Auto Parts today, and when I gave them the "3961"
number instead of "BR8ES SOLID", surprise, surprise! They had
them. Bought two for their trouble even though I didn't need them right
now. Now if they'd stock the Pennzoil Air-Cooled in the 16oz bottles
instead of just the 8oz...
-Dana
>----- Original Message ----
>From: gary aman <gaman(at)att.net>
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 12:50:14 PM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Spark Plugs
>
>My local NAPA store was an easy source for the solid tip BR8ES plugs.
--
Space isn't remote at all. It's only an hours drive away if your car
could go straight upwards.
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Dana , Flying ! oh , I forgot , it is that time of year and what beautiful
weather . Thanks for the come back. Chris=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message
----=0AFrom: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.
com=0ASent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 4:43:44 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: S
ast.net>=0A=0AAt 04:35 PM 6/8/2008, chris davis wrote:=0A>Where is everybod
y? I must have missed another gathering? or is my email =0A>on the fritz? c
hris=0A=0AEverybody's flying, at that's what _I_ did all weekend!=0A=0AWent
to my local Advance Auto Parts today, and when I gave them the "3961" =0An
umber instead of "BR8ES SOLID", surprise, surprise!- They had =0Athem.-
Bought two for their trouble even though I didn't need them right =0Anow.
- Now if they'd stock the Pennzoil Air-Cooled in the 16oz bottles =0Ainst
ead of just the 8oz...=0A=0A-Dana=0A=0A=0A>----- Original Message ----=0A>F
rom: gary aman =0A>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Sent: Sund
ay, June 8, 2008 12:50:14 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Spark Plugs=0A>
=0A>My local NAPA store was an easy source for the solid tip- BR8ES plugs
.=0A=0A--=0A- Space isn't remote at all.- It's only an hours drive away
==================0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Driving directions to Homer's? |
Can somebody post driving directions to Homer's? A route suitable for a
truck pulling a Kolb-sized trailer? Google maps sends me out 78 from NJ,
then down 29 and 100, but from there, lacking a street address, I don't
know. Or would I be better going down 476?
-Dana
--
Stupidity got us into this mess... why can't it get us out?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Driving directions to Homer's? |
> Can somebody post driving directions to Homer's? A route suitable for a
> truck pulling a Kolb-sized trailer? Google maps sends me out 78 from NJ,
> then down 29 and 100, but from there, lacking a street address, I don't
> know. Or would I be better going down 476?
>
> -Dana
Dana:
Hope this helps a little.
Homer Kolb
580 Wall St
Phoenixville, PA 19460
Homer's place is between Spring City and Phoenixville, off highway 724.
Here's the GPS coordinates:
Lat/Long: 40-09-36.3690N / 075-32-46.6810W
john h
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Driving directions to Homer's? |
Dana,
The address is
580 WALL ST
PHOENIXVILLE, PA 19460
Hope to see there.
Gene
On Jun 8, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
>
> Can somebody post driving directions to Homer's? A route suitable
> for a truck pulling a Kolb-sized trailer? Google maps sends me out
> 78 from NJ, then down 29 and 100, but from there, lacking a street
> address, I don't know. Or would I be better going down 476?
>
> -Dana
> --
> Stupidity got us into this mess... why can't it get us out?
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Will be departing for Homer's Tue afternoon.
Going to meet up with Steven Green in Athens, TN. We are then flying to
TNK, and on to Homer's via KY, WV, VA, MD, and PA.
See ya'll Sat at Homer and Clara's.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | TK <tkrolfe(at)toast.net> |
| Subject: | Fly-in to Homer's |
Here again is an updated list of those that have indicated to me they
will be going to the fly-in at Homer & Clara's farm this Saturday.
Those that would like to join up with the group flying from Smoketown
Airport, be there at 8:30 am so that we can leave by 9:00am.
If there are any additions or corrections, please advise. Looks like a
nice group forming up. Lets all hope for good weather again!!!!
Steve Green
George Alexander
John Hauck
Loyd Peterson
Dana Hague
Earl Zimmerman
Gene Zimmerman
Wilmer Zimmerman
John Murr
Dan Walter
Russ Kinne
Bill Varnes
Alan Mancus
Chuck Davis
John Landis
Dave Kulp
Bob Brasher
John Donato
Bob Bennethum - maybe
Jeff Tshudy - maybe
Ellery & Vic - maybe
Scott Olendorf - maybe
& Myself
See you there,
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Are you tired of scraping the leading edge of your wing? |
Transport of the Mark III, with folded back wings, is risky. The clearance
of the leading edge to the ground is a mere couple of inches. The risk of
scraping it on the ground is most acute and we did it a dang three times!
So now there is a fix in terms of a dolly which raises the entire works into
safe heights.
How we did it, can be seen in these pics. There is a steel sleeve inside the
pipe.
_http://hometown.aol.com/HGRAFF/IMG_1031.JPG_
(http://hometown.aol.com/HGRAFF/IMG_1031.JPG)
_http://hometown.aol.com/HGRAFF/IMG_1032.JPG_
(http://hometown.aol.com/HGRAFF/IMG_1032.JPG)
Herb
BTW, last year's problem with the Center Gap popping up, was due because the
center hold-down hook was not being fully engaged. We made a new, longer
hook, getting away from the sloped portion.
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
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| Subject: | Re: Selling my Firstar |
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
I'd ask for more money :D
Very nice...
Kip
--------
Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| Subject: | Broken protection washer |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
Take a look at what I found wedged in behind my fan belt tonight. The protection
washer that is directly behind my fan belt broke. (Number 10 in the CPS picture)
I have a Rotax 503 DCSI. I am blessed it didn't break anything else, like
the fan belt.
Early symptoms included an increase or reduction in RPM while not moving the throttle.
However the fan belt was still at good tension at that time.
Most recent symptoms included major vibration when starting the engine while the
idle was still low. I also felt a shaking on take off. After a couple times
starting with such vibration, I checked the fan belt again and it was extremely
loose. I took the cover off and found this broken guy sitting there.
Whew! [Shocked]
--------
Cristal
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Re: Selling my Firstar |
| From: | "Jim ODay" <jimoday(at)hotmail.com> |
The trailer is "extra". I am selling the trailer for $4000 by itself. You can
have the package for $14K. Heck of a deal.
Now as far as a trailer, is it over done for the payload, but it pulls straight
and the bird is secure inside. it has been raining cats and dogs here but the
unit is dry inside, I went out and measured it up for a fellow.
It is 5'10" x 23'10" inside.
On your comment about getting out after a year ...... and losing money. I wish
I was able to net out even $4$ for what I stick into my my past hobbies. I
have raced cars, motorcycles, sailboats. Been into classic cars and street rods.
Beer, wine, whiskey. Girls. Computers, Audio Video. ........... None made
me any money.
I have been "plane crazy" since I was 6 and expect that I will continue to buy
planes. I may build another, but right now I have more $ than time. The time
things gets int he way of flying and I can only fly one at a time and I have
3 planes today. They do not do well if not flown regularly. So my little bird
is leaving the nest. I never expect to get even $ wise on planes, but I continue
to enjoy flying, it is great therapy, and it is cheaper than psychoanalysis.
I like the FS, it was a lot of fun flying it last night. But I want to do some
traveling like some of the fellow Kolbers and I am not up to it in the FS at
this time. So, I bought a factory made plane. I don't really want to sell the
FS but I know it will become a hanger queen and that would be wrong.
If she does not sell, that may be OK too, that may be how it is suppose to work
out.
Jim
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Firestar II
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| From: | "Carlo Tura" <ctura(at)politecnica.it> |
| Subject: | Rotax 582 water cooled. Help! |
I need to install the Rotax 582 on my Kolb Mark II, water cooled.
Is there anibody that can tell me where I can put the radiator cooling,
perhaps with some photos attached.
Thank you Carlo from Italy
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| Subject: | Re: Broken protection washer |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
Hard to tell really. I bought this Mark II used last year, prepared it for airworthiness
inspection and started flying it in April of this year. The Hobbs
meter only reads around 35 hours (I think it was a rebuilt engine), but no telling
how old the part that broke was.
--------
Cristal
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | Vincent Nicely <vincenic1(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582 water cooled. Help! |
Carlo,
Richard Pike has some information on his we site.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Vince Nicely
Carlo Tura wrote:
>
> I need to install the Rotax 582 on my Kolb Mark II, water cooled.
> Is there anibody that can tell me where I can put the radiator cooling,
> perhaps with some photos attached.
> Thank you Carlo from Italy
>
>
>
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| From: | "shad" <shad(at)amaonline.com> |
| Subject: | Transition Pilot for Kolbra |
I live in Amarillo, Texas and I am in need of a Kolb transition pilot,
hopefully within a 300 mile radius. I am a private pilot with 230 hrs in
single engine, fixed wing, high performance, complex, but no tailwheel
experience. It would be nice to sign off in a side by side like the Mark
III or Mark IV. I own a King Kolbra with a Jabiru 2200 and 2 hours on it.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you, Shad.
shad(at)amaonline.com
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| From: | "Tura Carlo" <ctura(at)politecnica.it> |
| Subject: | Rotax 582 water cooled. Help! |
Thank Vince
The webside of Richard is wonderful
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] Per conto di Vincent Nicely
Inviato: marted 10 giugno 2008 17.52
A: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Oggetto: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 582 water cooled. Help!
Carlo,
Richard Pike has some information on his we site.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Vince Nicely
Carlo Tura wrote:
>
> I need to install the Rotax 582 on my Kolb Mark II, water cooled.
> Is there anibody that can tell me where I can put the radiator cooling,
> perhaps with some photos attached.
> Thank you Carlo from Italy
>
>
>
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| From: | "VICTOR PETERS" <vicsv(at)verizon.net> |
Ellery and I won't make it sorry to miss my first.
Ellery is game I'm not. It's all about work and money.
We did do a most excellent 200 mile test flight.
Most fun I've had since I had a memory.
Vic in Maine
MKIII Xtra 912UL
15 hrs
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| Subject: | Insurance, Running Naked for now |
| From: | "The BaronVonEvil" <grageda(at)innw.net> |
Hi All,
Well just got off the phone with Falcon regarding my request for insurance on My
Kolb Firestar II.
They said until I have 200hrs total time and 25hrs tailwheel that no one would
write a policy.
I have about 100 hrs of Logged time in various spam cans and registered ultrallights
and about the same amount of un- official time in my Firestar ( Pre-registration
).
So what is a person to do besides run around "Naked in the Sky" until he builds
enough time.
Only time will tell... :-(
Carlos G
BaronVonEvil
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance, Running Naked for now |
At 12:45 PM 6/12/2008, The BaronVonEvil wrote:
>
>Hi All,
>
>Well just got off the phone with Falcon regarding my request for insurance
>on My Kolb Firestar II.
>
>They said until I have 200hrs total time and 25hrs tailwheel that no one
>would write a policy.
>
>I have about 100 hrs of Logged time in various spam cans and registered
>ultrallights and about the same amount of un- official time in my Firestar
>( Pre-registration ).
>
>So what is a person to do besides run around "Naked in the Sky" until he
>builds enough time.
>
>Only time will tell... :-(
Try USUA, I don't think their insurance program (through First Flight) has
such drastic limitations.
-Dana
--
Of all the forces in the world, only the Federal Government has enough
power left to destroy America.
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| From: | Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance, Running Naked for now |
Carlos,
The easy solution to your problem and perhaps cheaper is to join the
USUA and purchase your insurance through the insurance company
affiliated with them, First Flight Insurance
www.firstflightinsurance.com.
Jerry
On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:45 AM, The BaronVonEvil wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Well just got off the phone with Falcon regarding my request for
> insurance on My Kolb Firestar II.
>
> They said until I have 200hrs total time and 25hrs tailwheel that
> no one would write a policy.
>
> I have about 100 hrs of Logged time in various spam cans and
> registered ultrallights and about the same amount of un- official
> time in my Firestar ( Pre-registration ).
>
> So what is a person to do besides run around "Naked in the Sky"
> until he builds enough time.
>
> Only time will tell... :-(
>
> Carlos G
> BaronVonEvil
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187606#187606
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance, Running Naked for now |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Ricochet wrote:
> Carlos,
>
> The easy solution to your problem and perhaps cheaper is to join the
> USUA and purchase your insurance through the insurance company
> affiliated with them, First Flight Insurance
> www.firstflightinsurance.com.
>
> Jerry
>
Be prepared to be disappointed tho. There are only a couple of actual underwriters
out there of aircraft insurance policies and it's likely you'll just get turned
down by the same people going through USUA.
Give it a shot, but I BTDT getting insurance for my titan. Basically, you don't
have a lot of choices, you're stuck with only one or two.
Flying w/o insurance is perfectly legal tho - last I checked, FnAA makes the rules
for aviation, not insurance companies.
I say fly without it until you get the hours - trailer it to someplace that doesn't
require insurance if you have to....
LS
--------
LS
FS II
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance, Running Naked for now |
Jerry
Do you know if USUA will write insurance for an N-numbered Kolb?
Russ
do not archive
On Jun 12, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Jerry Jones wrote:
>
> Carlos,
>
> The easy solution to your problem and perhaps cheaper is to join
> the USUA and purchase your insurance through the insurance company
> affiliated with them, First Flight Insurance
> www.firstflightinsurance.com.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:45 AM, The BaronVonEvil wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Well just got off the phone with Falcon regarding my request for
>> insurance on My Kolb Firestar II.
>>
>> They said until I have 200hrs total time and 25hrs tailwheel that
>> no one would write a policy.
>>
>> I have about 100 hrs of Logged time in various spam cans and
>> registered ultrallights and about the same amount of un- official
>> time in my Firestar ( Pre-registration ).
>>
>> So what is a person to do besides run around "Naked in the Sky"
>> until he builds enough time.
>>
>> Only time will tell... :-(
>>
>> Carlos G
>> BaronVonEvil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187606#187606
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance, Running Naked for now |
At 06:39 PM 6/12/2008, Russ Kinne wrote:
>
>Do you know if USUA will write insurance for an N-numbered Kolb?
I'm pretty sure they will.
-Dana
--
New safety announcement from the Department of Homeland
Security: Securely duct tape shut any books you may own about civil
liberties or the U.S. Constitution.
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| From: | Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance, Running Naked for now |
Russ, everything I've insured with them was N-numbered and
experimental, not ELSA, although they do those to. And...hours
required? Only your pencil knows how many hours you've flown,
maybe more, maybe less. Many, including me forget to log our hours
on occasion. I've heard some say they flew their 40 hours off in one
day, but I'm sure they were joking.
Jerry
On Jun 12, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
>
> Jerry
> Do you know if USUA will write insurance for an N-numbered Kolb?
> Russ
> do not archive
>
> On Jun 12, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Jerry Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> Carlos,
>>
>> The easy solution to your problem and perhaps cheaper is to join
>> the USUA and purchase your insurance through the insurance company
>> affiliated with them, First Flight Insurance
>> www.firstflightinsurance.com.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:45 AM, The BaronVonEvil wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Well just got off the phone with Falcon regarding my request for
>>> insurance on My Kolb Firestar II.
>>>
>>> They said until I have 200hrs total time and 25hrs tailwheel that
>>> no one would write a policy.
>>>
>>> I have about 100 hrs of Logged time in various spam cans and
>>> registered ultrallights and about the same amount of un- official
>>> time in my Firestar ( Pre-registration ).
>>>
>>> So what is a person to do besides run around "Naked in the Sky"
>>> until he builds enough time.
>>>
>>> Only time will tell... :-(
>>>
>>> Carlos G
>>> BaronVonEvil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187606#187606
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Jim Minewiser <flykolb(at)wowway.com> |
| Subject: | Trucking a Mark III |
I'm not sure the first email went thru. I apologize if this is a repeat.
I need to move my Mark III Classic from NC to Ohio and plan to rent an
enclosed truck.
Can anyone tell me if i need a 24 foot or a 26 foot truck?
Jim
Mark III
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance, Running Naked for now |
At 02:03 PM 6/12/2008, lucien wrote:
>Flying w/o insurance is perfectly legal tho - last I checked, FnAA makes
>the rules for aviation, not insurance companies.
>
>I say fly without it until you get the hours - trailer it to someplace
>that doesn't require insurance if you have to....
The airport where I keep my plane requires insurance for all aircraft based
there. I feel better having it anyway... not for in flight, but I'd hate
to be caught by a gust of wind when taxiing and ding somebody else's
$250,000 airplane...
-Dana
--
Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the universe.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Ultrastar elevator linkage |
I was looking at another local pilot's Firestar II the other day, and saw
that his elevator linkage is a much nicer design than my UltraStar, as it
doesn't require any disconnection to fold it. Has anybody made or heard of
this kind of a modification to an UltraStar?
-Dana
--
You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to
skydive twice.
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: UltraStar elevator linkage |
I have rebuilt three UltraStars and had an original Firestar and did some
checking of this very sort. I am sorry to report that it would not be that
easy or practical. You need to change the entire vertical assembly and
ventrical fin where it comes into the boom at the back. You need to replace
just about everything back there. It is expensive and time consuming just
to "not" have to take one bolt and nut off. While I am at it, I flew with a
gentleman from Florida this last weekeand he has a Flyboy. It is
beautfiful. Kept up a good pace in the air and was very docile. Looked
very good next to my Slingshot. If you might be interest in it, go to:
http://www.southernflyers.homestead.com/ForSale.html
He had a Kolb Mk II for a long time and he traded for this. He is looking
to buy a Pelican next which was a Kolb Factory plane for awhile. Ted Cowan,
Alabama
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| From: | TK <tkrolfe(at)toast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Homer fly in |
VICTOR PETERS wrote:
> Ellery and I won't make it sorry to miss my first.
> Ellery is game I'm not. It's all about work and money.
>
> We did do a most excellent 200 mile test flight.
> Most fun I've had since I had a memory.
>
> Vic in Maine
> MKIII Xtra 912UL
> 15 hrs
> *
> *
Vic & Ellery,
Sorry you two can't make it to Homer's this year! Maybe another time.
Terry - FireFly # 95
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
My local airport- Skylark Air Park, East Windsor, Ct.- has advised me that as
of Sept. 1, 2008 mogas (92 octane, no lead, no alcohol) will no longer be available
due to changes in the law. All shipments were made out of Albany, N.Y.,
and they will no longer be stocking it up there. This will probably affect all
airports in the region. Skylark told me that they will not stock any variant
of mogas, as it would be the same as auto pump gas. They will still have 100LL.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS/KX/447
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Firestar Project- training |
Today I went up to the airport in Northampton, Mass., and started my refresher
flying lessons. I had an hour in a Cessna 152 doing basic flight manuevers.
I felt awkward at first, but got the hang of it again in about 20 minutes. The
152 was older and well used as a trainer, but solid. My flight experience was
all in an Alon A-2 Ercoupe 39 years ago. I had just gotten up to a couple of
hours of take-offs and landings when I had to quit because of an injury. Biggest
problem today- unfamiliar with the Cessna dashboard. Just for any lurkers out
there- first lesson in 39 years on Friday the thirteenth, in a plane with tail
number ending in 513. The only bad thing was that I still liked it. This could
have serious financial consequences.
My wife takes her first refresher lesson tomorrow morning.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS/KX/447
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| Subject: | Re: Broken protection washer |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
I got my new protection washer. As you may be able to see from the picture that
it looks quite different from the old one that broke. I have an older 503 engine
(it is not dual ignition), so I'm wondering if either someone put the wrong
part on there to begin with or if perhaps Rotax had made an improvement to
that protection washer since then.
The new washer has a smaller diameter hole (better fit) and two prongs that look
like they poke into the backside of the fan (better security). My fan didn't
have the holes for the prongs to go into so we had to make them.
The MAJOR vibration is gone when I start it up now. And the RPM is staying steady
where it's set.
:D
--------
Cristal
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| Subject: | Memorial Day at KAYS |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
I took this picture from my Kolb on Memorial Day. It was such a beautiful morning
here at Waycross, Georgia. It is so much better than last year when the whole
area was covered in smoke from the Monster Swamp Fire.
I go to take my written private pilot test on Monday. Wish me luck!
--------
Cristal
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Someone told me that British Petroleum premium gas does not have ethanol or alcohol
in it. This might be total BS, as so many people like to talk schit that
they know nothing about, but I figured it was worth a try.
All the pumps here in Miami are labeled 10 % ethanol, even BP, but when I tested
the Premium it came up alcohol free !!! Pump a gallon or so into your car
to clear out the hose of regular that may have been pumped before you, and then
do a test on the premium. So far I have always been able to get good gas even
though all the pumps in the county have been labeled for ethanol for months
now.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
B ill
Forgot to mention -- the Cessna 150/152 is a fine, tough little bird,
hope you appreciate it. And the taildragger conversion is one cute
little airplane.
i knew a gal who got her ATP license in one! -- when the regs simply
said "applicant shall supply the aircraft for the test".
But it was a single-engine ATP -- only good for Cessna Caravan,
Beaver, Otter & such.
But she did it in her own 150! Good bird.
Russ
do not archive
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project- training |
At 09:12 PM 6/13/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>...The only bad thing was that I still liked it. This could have serious
>financial consequences.
> My wife takes her first refresher lesson tomorrow morning.
Well, at least you two won't have to worry about getting AIDS...
(Aviation Induced Divorced Syndrome)
-Dana
--
Artificial intelligence usually beats real stupidity.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 06:57 AM 6/15/2008, JetPilot wrote:
>Someone told me that British Petroleum premium gas does not have ethanol
>or alcohol in it. This might be total BS, as so many people like to talk
>schit that they know nothing about, but I figured it was worth a try...
It varies from state to state. Here in CT the ethanol is required by law.
-Dana
--
Artificial intelligence usually beats real stupidity.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Back Home From PA |
At 07:15 PM 6/15/2008, Steven Green wrote:
>I arrived back at MMI at about 1530 today. Had a great time and enjoyed
>meeting everyone and visiting with the Frantz's.
Got back home this afternoon after stopping in NY last night. It was good
meeting people and putting faces with names I've only seen online, I only
wish I could've arrived earlier and had more time to visit with
everybody. Big thanks to Homer and Clara even though AFAIK they don't read
this list.
I may be the luckiest man in the bunch, though. On the way down I drove
over a depressed storm drain and bent the axle on my trailer. After
clamping a reinforcement bar onto the axle I decided to continue to Homers,
and indeed had no more trouble with it. But, about a mile from home I
glanced in the rear view mirror and noticed the trailer wheel on the other
side was wobbling. I kept going, and by the time I pulled into the airport
the wheel was just about off, totally destroyed. I doubt it would have
made another mile. Pretty good timing, on a 500+ mile round trip!
-Dana
--
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Back Home From PA |
Steven:
Glad you had a good flight.
Got a report from Homer soon after everyone departed in front of impending
thunderstorms in the area. Homer was more than impressed with all that fle
w in. If all the participants had a good time, then multiply that by the n
umber of participants and you will understand how much Homer enjoys this ev
ent.
Hopefully, he will attend next year's Monument Valley Flyin. We talk about
it every year, but something always comes up with priority over MV.
Sorry I could not make it, but would have been miserable trying to fly, cam
p, and hang out with a burned inner forearm. Maybe next year.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
I arrived back at MMI at about 1530 today. Had a great time and enjoyed
meeting everyone and visiting with the Frantz's.
Steven
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Back Home From PA |
Dana:
You could have prevented the trailer problem by flying the US to Homer's in
stead of trailering.
My first long cross country in my US, 1984, was 500 sm round trip, Gantt IA
P, Alabama, to Tallahassee, Florida, and return.
I understand why a lot of folks don't fly cross country on weekends. Its t
he old, "got to be at work at 0800 Monday morning" syndrome. I was lucky.
Have done all my civilian flying totally retired. Never had to worry abou
t getting back to work on time.
Take care,
john h
mKIII
I doubt it would have made another mile. Pretty good timing, on a 500
+ mile round trip!
-Dana
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Back Home From PA |
At 08:26 PM 6/15/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>You could have prevented the trailer problem by flying the US to Homer's
>instead of trailering.
John, I would have loved to... but all the staring I did at the sectional
chart didn't change the lack of UL-friendly airports for refueling between
my home and Homer's. And yes, unfortunately I have to be at work tomorrow
morning.
-Dana
--
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fly-In To Homers - My Report |
Kolb Group,
Another great fly-in took place at Homer Kolb's home/farm in Phoenixville,
Pa. on Saturday June 14, 2008.
My personal plan had been to fly from Alloway airport (NJ) to Smoketown
airport (PA), a flight of about 62 statute miles, to join up with the Kolb guys
in that area, and then we would all fly en mass to Homers. Unfortunately, my
flying buddy Alan Mancus, was very late getting to the airport and we did not
lift off until 7:45 AM. I had figured about 1-1/2 hours flight time to
Smoketown, which would put us there about 9:15 AM. Terry (FireFly #95) had said
to be there by 8:30 AM, since they would be departing at 9 AM. Alan and I
would have arrived after they left. I then decided to change my plan and fly
directly to Homers, about 46 sm. The sky was partly cloudy and the air was
relatively smooth, but the visibility was very poor. In fact, Dr Seuss would
have probably called it, "Stink, Stank, Stunk". We had to deal with the
Philadelphia TCA limits on our right and Wilmington, De on the left. A few
doglegs got us through, but if the GPS were to give out, we would have been SOL.
The underlying terrain is very hostile, in that it is completely built up
with buildings, roads, oil tank farms and such. Not to mention crossing the
Delaware River. Scary!
We landed at Kolbs strip about 8:45 AM. George Alexander is always there,
waiting at the strip to snap those pictures as the Kolb planes arrive. George
has a nice web site with many pictures of the past Homer fly-ins. I suppose
he will do so again for this year. Homer came out to greet us and shake our
hands. His grandchildren were running about, sitting in our planes and
throwing sticks for the dog to chase after. Very soon, the sky filled with the
group of Kolb planes arriving from Smoketown. What a sight it is to see that
many Kolbs in the sky at once. It was good to make acquaintance with the
group again. Did I say how hot it was? The sun was sending UV rays down and
it was burning our hides. Someone finally suggested we go sit down at the
tree shaded patio. About 11:30 AM, Clara Kolb announced the food was ready to
eat and we did. Afterwards, we walked around looking at each others planes
and enjoying the camaraderie.
We should have helped the Kolb family with cleaning up chores, but with the
threat of thunderstorms in the area for the afternoon, most of us were
getting a little anxious to get started home. And so, one by one the planes took
off and headed out. The visibility hadn't improved very much and I could hear
a lot of chatter going on over the radio about where so and so was, and
where was Wilmer? Alan and I had to deal with the TCA again to get back across
the Delaware River to NJ. We made it home and I for one was tuckered out. I
had been up since 4:30 AM, as I have a 1 hour drive just to get to the
airport and about 45 minutes to get the plane out of the hangar and set up for
flight, because I fold the wings every time. And then the same thing to put it
away and drive home.
So, many thanks to the Kolb Family for their hospitality and to Terry Frantz
for coordinating the event. I really enjoyed it!
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Dana wrote:
>
>
> It varies from state to state. Here in CT the ethanol is required by law.
>
> -Dana
>
> --
> Artificial intelligence usually beats real stupidity.
Most people have never read the law.. Including myself... What I was told that
the law applies to Top Tier gasolines, which are the big ones like shell, chevron,
etc. This allows some ethanol free gas to be produced.
Like I say, it might be total BS, but the test for ethanol is very easy to do.
Going and testing your local BP PREMIUM sure beats some of the other things I
have heard here, it worked for me.
Mike
--------
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have !!!
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| Subject: | William Sullivan accident |
| From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
I just saw this come across Google News. I hope Bill is alright.
PALMER, Mass.Authorities say an ultralight plane crashed at the local landing strip
in Palmer, leaving the pilot from Connecticut with minor injuries.
more stories like thisThe Republican newspaper of Springfield reported Sunday that
William Sullivan was rushed to Baystate Medical Center in Springfield, where
his condition was listed as fair.
Police Sgt. Chris Burns says the aircraft flown by the 35-year-old Sullivan of
Windsor Locks, Connecticut, crashed and was destroyed as he attempted to land
on a landing strip next to the former Palmer Municipal Airport.
The landing strip is used by members of the Silver Wing Ultralight Club.
There was no immediate information on possible causes for the crash.
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
| From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
>From CBS3 news;
By Matt DeLucia
Scott Gustafson, Bondsville Fire Chief said William Sullivan, 58, of Windsor Locks
was attempting a landing, when the plane fell out of the sky from about 30
feet, bringing the pilot down with it.
"He was conscious when we arrived and shortly after, the ambulance came to tend
to him," Gustafson said.
Sullivan was taken to Bay State Medical Center. Gustafson said his injuries did
not appear to be too severe at the scene. The plane was destroyed.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
http://www.wwlp.com/Global/story.asp?S=8494399
I really thought he was planning on more instruction, though he was doing
fast taxis. Got too high on a crow hop perhaps and had to go around?
-Dana
--
Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate in a pile outside.
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Proper Flight Instruction |
Kolb guys,
I am sure I am among many, when it comes to feeling sympathy for Bill's recent
mishap. Truly, it was unfortunate. (Bill, I'm sorry to hear about your accident.)
It would appear he over-estimated his abilities, and may not have been ready
for the flight practices he was
engaging in. Sure enough, crap happens, and now he paid a big price for his "jumping
the gun".
Now, before anyone starts complaining about me "kicking a guy when he's down",
I DID THE EXACT SAME THING!!" as Bill did. I was NOT ready to solo an ultralight,
but that didn't stop me from trying. The results were all too common.
Yes, I smashed the ultralight. Yes, I got hurt. Took me weeks to recover.
Thank God I got a second chance. Hurt like a SOB!!
The purpose of this email is to admonish ALL of those who are contemplating flying
their own plane to get competent instruction...and complete the flight training,
before trying to fly their own craft. Just because you had some form
of previous flight training years earlier, like Bill and I had, doesn't mean
you are ready to launch into the wild blue yonder!!
Again, I am sad to hear about Bill, and especially the recent loss of our fellow
Kolber, John W. But, we all need to keep in mind this is a VERY unforgiving
sport we are involved with. It requires the utmost in mechanical maintenance,
proper skill, and sober judgment. Many are counting on us to do our best.
Assume nothing.
Not preaching, just commiserating.
Mike Welch
MkIII building, and not flown yet
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| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
Sorry to hear about Bill, but it sounds like he will be ok.
The news article said this:
"However Sullivan didn't break the law the federal government doesn't require a
license for such a small plane."
This is kind of interesting as the FAA is pretty much in the dark about ultralights/LSA's
and the differences between them.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
0 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: Proper Flight Instruction |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
> Kolb guys,
>
> I am sure I am among many, when it comes to feeling sympathy for Bill's recent
mishap. Truly, it was unfortunate. (Bill, I'm sorry to hear about your accident.)
>
> It would appear he over-estimated his abilities, and may not have been ready
for the flight practices he was
> engaging in. Sure enough, crap happens, and now he paid a big price for his
"jumping the gun".
>
> Now, before anyone starts complaining about me "kicking a guy when he's down",
I DID THE EXACT SAME THING!!" as Bill did. I was NOT ready to solo an ultralight,
but that didn't stop me from trying. The results were all too common.
Yes, I smashed the ultralight. Yes, I got hurt. Took me weeks to recover.
Thank God I got a second chance. Hurt like a SOB!!
>
> The purpose of this email is to admonish ALL of those who are contemplating
flying their own plane to get competent instruction...and complete the flight
training, before trying to fly their own craft. Just because you had some form
of previous flight training years earlier, like Bill and I had, doesn't mean
you are ready to launch into the wild blue yonder!!
>
> Again, I am sad to hear about Bill, and especially the recent loss of our fellow
Kolber, John W. But, we all need to keep in mind this is a VERY unforgiving
sport we are involved with. It requires the utmost in mechanical maintenance,
proper skill, and sober judgment. Many are counting on us to do our best.
Assume nothing.
>
> Not preaching, just commiserating.
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII building, and not flown yet
>
Mike, this is very good advice and I too flew with only 2 hours of training. I
got lucky and only damaged the gear legs. Even with many hours of flying, we all
need to be "on our toes" as we have recently seen. There is a local pilot that
severed the fingers on his hand in an accident that was completely preventable.
He had many hours logged in his flying career.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
0 years flying it
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/16/2008 8:41:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes:
Like I say, it might be total BS, but the test for ethanol is very easy to
do. Going and testing your local BP PREMIUM sure beats some of the other
things I have heard here, it worked for me.
Mike
Mike,
From what I understand In Texas, where I live, There is no ethanol free
gas to be had in any big cities in any grade. How ever,I am told at the flying
club meetings, ethanol free can be found in any county that is 2 counties
away from Houston or other major cities in Texas . They claim it reduces
pollution, of which I for one am not convinced. All the pumps in my area say,
may
contain up to 10% ethanol. I have noticed milky crud in my Mr. filter funnel,
a time or two, so it seems to help. Any one in Texas heard otherwise?
Ed Diebel
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Proper Flight Instruction |
In a message dated 6/16/2008 1:25:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ul15rhb(at)juno.com writes:
Even with many hours of flying, we all need to be "on our toes" as we have
recently seen. There is a local pilot that severed the fingers on his hand in
an accident that was completely preventable. He had many hours logged in his
flying career.
Ralph
This is so true. One of our worst enemy's can be complacency or
lack of fear or respect for what we are doing. This also applies to
maintenance big time! It's a shame it takes tragedy to wake us up and shake
us into
reality, but that's human nature. Lets ALL be careful. Sorry don.t mean to
preach.
Ed Diebel FF# 62 99 hrs (
contemplating 2nd decarb soon)
Do not archieve
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
Hi Dana,
This is Bills wife, Norma.
Bill was never intending to get of the ground. He was trying to find out how
fast the Kolb would stop when he hit the kill switch. He got the Kolb up to 2700RPM
then hit the kill switch several times. The last time he got it up to the
speed and a gust of wind lifted the plane. He was at the part of the runway
of no return, he had NO choice but to gun it and go around. He went around and
started his decent but didn't feel right about the decent, so he went around
again. The second time it was a very good approach, but a down draft pushed the
plane down from about 10-15 feet. When he touched down, hard, the landing gear
folded up and the plane cartwheeled then flipped over. Bill has 2 fractures
of his pelvic bone and 2 fractures of his hip, one on both sides. We had just
taken a flying lesson on Friday and Saturday, and he was not ready to leave the
ground. It was not intentional like some are saying. He will be getting another
plane sometime soon.
Thank you for your concern,
Norma
Dana Hague wrote:
http://www.wwlp.com/Global/story.asp?S=8494399
I really thought he was planning on more instruction, though he was doing
fast taxis. Got too high on a crow hop perhaps and had to go around?
-Dana
--
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
Hi Ralph,
I am Bill's wife, Norma.
Bill did not intentionally go up he just got lifted and did not have room to
put down safely, so he went around. The first time he said it didn't feel right
so he went around again. The second time the plane was coming in it was picture
perfect until he was about 10-15 feet from the ground. A downward gust of
wind made his landing harder than he wanted it to be, the landing gear folded
up to the sing strut, the plane cartwheeled then flipped over. The plane is totaled,
but he wants another one. Bill has 2 fractures of his pelvic bone and 2
fractures of his hip bones, one on either side. The Dr's are still deciding what
course of treatment for him.
You are so right about the FAA, they really have no clue.
Thank you for your concern,
Norma
Ralph B wrote:
Sorry to hear about Bill, but it sounds like he will be ok.
The news article said this:
"However Sullivan didn't break the law the federal government doesn't require a
license for such a small plane."
This is kind of interesting as the FAA is pretty much in the dark about ultralights/LSA's
and the differences between them.
Ralph
--------
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Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
0 years flying it
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| From: | Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Proper Flight Instruction |
> Sold my Firestar to a newly "certified" ultralight pilot who had
> bent the legs on his instructor's plane when landing. Every
> flightof his in "my" Firestar ended the same way, the last mishap
> putting the kabosh on any more flights in it. Makes me think his
> instructor may have certified him to avoid replacing gear on his
> own plane. The first through third flights in my Firestar bent the
> gear from flaring too high. The last happened after several crow
> hops down a very long gravel runway, and a final takeoff to go
> around. Unfortunately there was little runway left before a barbed
> wire fence. When he saw it, he pulled up. That got his mains over
> it. Of course pulling up lowers the tail, so it was the tail that
> snagged the fence and pulled off several hundred feet before the
> Kolb slowed and fell out of the sky. When he called me on his
> cell, I knew it was bad news since every flight had resulted in a
> similar phone call and a mishap. We hopped in a 182 and flew out
> to him. He broke a few bones, which put him out of work for
> awhile...but he's itching to get back into the flying sport again.
> The Kolb is a taildragger and does take a bit more skill. Wish I
> still had it.
Ricochet
Challenger II cw
Avid
Teman
Hiperlight (2)
GT 400
Firestar
Titan II w Jabiru 3300
Skyranger
> Mike, this is very good advice and I too flew with only 2 hours of
> training. I got lucky and only damaged the gear legs. Even with
> many hours of flying, we all need to be "on our toes" as we have
> recently seen. There is a local pilot that severed the fingers on
> his hand in an accident that was completely preventable. He had
> many hours logged in his flying career.
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 21 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 0 years flying it
>
>
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>
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>
>
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
Hi Norma, thanks for keeping us posted. That sounds about like what I
surmised as I didn't think he had any intention of flying it yet. Anybody
can take off in an ultralight but the landing is a completely different
story as they lose speed a LOT faster than the Ercoupes and C-150 he'd
flown before.
My first trip around the pattern in a weightshift Quicksilver (though it
was intentional) had a similar bad ending.
Give him my best wishes for a speedy recovery... and return to the air.
-Dana
At 04:13 PM 6/16/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>Hi Dana,
>This is Bills wife, Norma.
>Bill was never intending to get of the ground. He was trying to find out...
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
At 02:09 PM 6/16/2008, Ralph B wrote:
>The news article said this:
>
>"However Sullivan didn't break the law the federal government doesn't
>require a license for such a small plane."
>
>This is kind of interesting as the FAA is pretty much in the dark about
>ultralights/LSA's and the differences between them.
Well, Bill's plane was a legal ultralight (or close to it) and there were
other ultralight pilots around to explain things to the reporters and police.
-Dana
--
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm
not sure about the former.-- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
I'm sorry to hear of your accident Bill. Please get well soon. You and Norma
are in our prayers.
--------
Cristal
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Re: One less hurdle |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
I just LOVE flying and am so HAPPY to have the opportunity (finally) to learn it
and do it! This is me and my goofy grin holding that precious piece of paper
stamped in red with "DO NOT LOSE THIS REPORT".
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
the landing gear folded up to the sing strut, the plane cartwheeled
then flipped over. The plane is totaled,
I am afraid that this incident is a common thread with our planes. The
weakest point is the landing gear, and if left stock, is going to cause
you a hell of a lot of trouble and repairs. I have had three incidents
that has illustrated this problem, and while I will not try to tell you
that my own lack of training and downright old fashioned stupidity has
not played a significant role in these incidents, I will tell you that a
lot of the damage could have been avoided by using the steel gear legs
and larger tires. The problem is made worse by the fact that the gear
legs point forward, so if a wheel breaks off, or a alum gear leg breaks
it is going to stab into the ground, or if it just collapses then the
nose is going to dig in and things are going to get ugly pretty fast.
Larry C, Oregon
406 hours Firestar II
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fly-In To Homers - My Report |
Bill,
Thanks,
Good report of the Homer Kolb Fly-in.
Fourteen planes took off one right after the other at 9:00 am from
Smoketown and flew as a group to Homer Kolb's airstrip, and joined
you and the others already there.
It was good to see you and Alan and everyone again. We all had a
wonderful time despite the crappy visibility and the hot humid weather.
A few of the guys ran into a little rain on the way home to the west,
but it was spotty and most of us made it back home without getting in
any rain.
It was an honor to have Steven Green who flew up from the deep south
again but we missed having John Hauck this year and I appreciated
Homer"s words of recognition of John Williamson who was with us last
year. Of course you and Eddie had the distinction of being the oldest
and youngest pilots to fly in again this year.
I'm eager to see all George Alexander"s pictures of the 2008 Homer
Kolb Fly-in when he gets them posted on his web site.
Thanks again to you, and to all who made it there.
Gene Zimmerman
On Jun 16, 2008, at 12:10 AM, WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com wrote:
> Kolb Group,
>
> Another great fly-in took place at Homer Kolb's home/farm in
> Phoenixville, Pa. on Saturday June 14, 2008.
>
> My personal plan had been to fly from Alloway airport (NJ) to
> Smoketown airport (PA), a flight of about 62 statute miles, to join
> up with the Kolb guys in that area, and then we would all fly en
> mass to Homers. Unfortunately, my flying buddy Alan Mancus, was
> very late getting to the airport and we did not lift off until 7:45
> AM. I had figured about 1-1/2 hours flight time to Smoketown, which
> would put us there about 9:15 AM. Terry (FireFly #95) had said to
> be there by 8:30 AM, since they would be departing at 9 AM. Alan
> and I would have arrived after they left. I then decided to change
> my plan and fly directly to Homers, about 46 sm. The sky was partly
> cloudy and the air was relatively smooth, but the visibility was
> very poor. In fact, Dr Seuss would have probably called it, "Stink,
> Stank, Stunk". We had to deal with the Philadelphia TCA limits on
> our right and Wilmington, De on the left. A few doglegs got us
> through, but if the GPS were to give out, we would have been SOL.
> The underlying terrain is very hostile, in that it is completely
> built up with buildings, roads, oil tank farms and such. Not to
> mention crossing the Delaware River. Scary!
>
> We landed at Kolbs strip about 8:45 AM. George Alexander is always
> there, waiting at the strip to snap those pictures as the Kolb
> planes arrive. George has a nice web site with many pictures of the
> past Homer fly-ins. I suppose he will do so again for this year.
> Homer came out to greet us and shake our hands. His grandchildren
> were running about, sitting in our planes and throwing sticks for
> the dog to chase after. Very soon, the sky filled with the group of
> Kolb planes arriving from Smoketown. What a sight it is to see that
> many Kolbs in the sky at once. It was good to make acquaintance
> with the group again. Did I say how hot it was? The sun was
> sending UV rays down and it was burning our hides. Someone finally
> suggested we go sit down at the tree shaded patio. About 11:30 AM,
> Clara Kolb announced the food was ready to eat and we did.
> Afterwards, we walked around looking at each others planes and
> enjoying the camaraderie.
>
> We should have helped the Kolb family with cleaning up chores, but
> with the threat of thunderstorms in the area for the afternoon, most
> of us were getting a little anxious to get started home. And so,
> one by one the planes took off and headed out. The visibility
> hadn't improved very much and I could hear a lot of chatter going on
> over the radio about where so and so was, and where was Wilmer?
> Alan and I had to deal with the TCA again to get back across the
> Delaware River to NJ. We made it home and I for one was tuckered
> out. I had been up since 4:30 AM, as I have a 1 hour drive just to
> get to the airport and about 45 minutes to get the plane out of the
> hangar and set up for flight, because I fold the wings every time.
> And then the same thing to put it away and drive home.
>
> So, many thanks to the Kolb Family for their hospitality and to
> Terry Frantz for coordinating the event. I really enjoyed it!
>
> Bill Varnes
> Original Kolb FireStar
> Audubon NJ
>
>
> Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gouldings Lodge ultralight policies |
| From: | "steve0" <yingjun2009(at)yahoo.com.cn> |
Oh, i see !
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
On Jun 17, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>>> I am afraid that this incident is a common thread with our
planes. The weakest point is the landing gear, <<<
Nope, Not the landing gear.
The weakest link is always the nut that holds the stick, even with
experts like John Hauck and John Williamson whose personal titanium
piloting strengths far surpass that of the average Kolb pilot.
Ya can't be too careful.
pea nut Gene,
>
> the landing gear folded up to the sing strut, the plane cartwheeled
> then flipped over. The plane is totaled,
>
> I am afraid that this incident is a common thread with our planes.
> The weakest point is the landing gear, and if left stock, is going
> to cause you a hell of a lot of trouble and repairs. I have had
> three incidents that has illustrated this problem, and while I will
> not try to tell you that my own lack of training and downright old
> fashioned stupidity has not played a significant role in these
> incidents, I will tell you that a lot of the damage could have been
> avoided by using the steel gear legs and larger tires. The problem
> is made worse by the fact that the gear legs point forward, so if a
> wheel breaks off, or a alum gear leg breaks it is going to stab into
> the ground, or if it just collapses then the nose is going to dig in
> and things are going to get ugly pretty fast.
>
> Larry C, Oregon
> 406 hours Firestar II
>
>
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
Norma/All
Sorry to hear about Bill's accident.
This is a list service so everyone gets a copy of what is posted so it
is not necessary to respond to everyone individually.
I find this difficult at this time but this is a teaching moment. First
fast taxiing is a bad thing to do in the learning process with a Kolb. A
Kolb will taxi very well and seem to be well below flying speed but will
often lift off when power is reduced. Its a high thrust line pusher
thing. Never fast taxi without being prepared to fly. Some people have
even shortened their takeoffs by momentarily reducing power to get off
the ground.
Landing approaches are best done well above stall speed. An approach to
landing in a 152 is much different and will not serve a new pilot well
as training for a Kolb. Again approaches initially should be made a good
15+ MPH over indicated airspeed. If the strip you are learning at
doesn't lend its self to this hot of a approach don't land there. Kolbs
will slow down very quickly so this really will not add much to your
landing distance. If the winds are gusting add the gusting speed to your
approach speed. If you are just learning to fly and the winds are
blowing over 5 mph or gusting you should be flying or taxiing.
Sorry about the preaching. There is much more in the archives on this
subject.
My $.02 worth
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: william sullivan
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: William Sullivan accident
Hi Mike,
I am Bill's wife, Norma.
Bill did not intentionally go up he just got lifted and did not have
room to put down safely, so he went around. The first time he said it
didn't feel right so he went around again. The second time the plane was
coming in, it was picture perfect until he was about 10-15 feet from the
ground. A downward gust of wind made his landing harder than he wanted
it to be, the landing gear folded up to the strut, the plane cartwheeled
then flipped over. The plane is totaled, but he wants another one. Bill
has 2 fractures of his pelvic bone and 2 fractures of his hip bones, one
on either side. The Dr's are still deciding what course of treatment for
him. He will be having surgery for the hip fractures, but I don't know
when yet. I will keep everyone posted.
Thank you for your concern,
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One less hurdle |
Cristal , You dont know me but I have been following your adventure for a w
hile , Congratulations! good job , They are great aircraft , fly safe Chris
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One less hurdle |
Congratulations!
Gadzooks! You are a lot prettier than most of us old codgers.
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
At 06:10 PM 6/17/2008, robert bean wrote:
>Luck has its place in aviation, such as...
... such as my airplane trailer bearing failing within 1 mile of home, and
being able to limp the rest of the way, after a 500 mile round trip!
But we also make our own luck, by being prepared for the unexpected.
-Dana
--
My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
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| From: | Flycrazy8(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
Norma and Bill
My kindest wishes for a very speedy recovery ... My first ultralight ( Kolb
Ultrastar) was almost impossible to keep on the ground while I was learning
to fly it ... Bent the landing gear twice ... Sorry your experience was more
painful ....
Stephen Baxley
Kolb Firefly
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
The test for ethanol is easy, I use and olive jar, but any kind of clear small
jar will work...
Make a line that is around 10 % of the total volume or height of the jar, the
level of the line is not critical, you are just putting a little water into the
jar and you will need to see the level the water was at later on.
Put water in the jar up to the level of the line you made on the jar, put the lid
on and go to the gas station. Select your fuel, and pump some gas into your
car first. ( This clears the other grade of gas out of the hose just in case
someone ahead of you had bought a grade different from what you want to test.
). Then pump a bit of gas into your jar with water, again level does not matter,
but it should be mostly gas and a little water. Put the lid on and shake
the jar then let settle for about a minute. Check the level of the water,
if the water is at the same level it was before you put in the gas, then the gas
does not have ethonal. :)
If the water level is lower than your line, or gone all together after mixing with
the gas and shaking the jar, then it indicates that the gas has alcohol in
it ( ethanol) [Evil or Very Mad] Alcohol mixes with water and enables the
water to mix with the gas making your water level go down or disappear.
This is an easy test to do before driving two counties to try to find ethanol free
gas. If you guys find BP premium to be ethanol free in your area also let
us know !
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One less hurdle |
and Pat, I think that is the
> first time I've ever been told I look better than an old codger>>
Waaaaaay better! Better than most of the young codgers too.
Pat :-)
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
FIRST FLIGHT....
Your supposed to go above the airstrip 2000 ft or so...
and APPROACH a STALL.....>>
Planecrazy.. you gotta be kidding. Here is a guy with minimum training who
thinks he is doing a fast taxi with nothing more in his mind but keeping
sraight and holding the tail up. A puff of wind and he suddenly finds
himself at 20 feet. The only thing in his mind is `How the hell did I get
up here and how do I get down?"
The natural reaction is to close the throttle and we all know where that
leads if the the nose is not put down at the same time. I think he did damn
well to go on flying the plane and do a circuit while he sorted things out.
The fact that his landing finished up so disastrously was sheer hard luck.
How many of us made a good landing on a first solo even fully trained and
EXPECTING to fly. Given just a smidgeon of good luck he may well have got
away with it.
You are perfectly right of course. All those things which you list are
absolutely correct, but to expect a tyro, taken by surprise to carry them
out is just a bit much.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
there were
other ultralight pilots around to explain things to the reporters and
police>>
Hi Dana,
I have learned from bitter experience that no reporter is interested in
facts. The story, written up to be as exciting as possible is everything.
When I was Secretary of my local gliding club I got fed up with every
outlanding being written up as a `crash landing`, or `Glider runs out of
wind`. I contacted the Editors of all local papers etc.,gave them my contact
numbers so that any story could be checked. No one ever checked..
When I crashed my hang glider, on my first flight, and broke my leg it was
the same. Admittedly the scene was pretty spectacular with the local fire
brigade and an ambulance, both with lights flashing busily employed carrying
me out from a field about a mile from the road but from the story in the
local press you would have thought that Concorde had ploughed in with a full
load of passengers.
Someone said that a journalist is a man who would rather write 20 thousand
words rather than check one fact. You better believe it.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
I use an olive jar too. But when I find gas with alcohol in it the phase separation
line goes up compared to the plain water level, not down. The reason for
this is that the water extracts the alcohol from the gas not the other way around
as you stated. So if alcohol is present in the gasoline sample the phase separation
line moves up in the jar.
See following from EAA website on the subject:
EAA's auto fuel Alcohol Test Kit allows a pilot or aircraft maintenance technician
to make preventative tests on auto fuel, even before fuel is purchased for
an aircraft. Simply pour water, then auto fuel, in the included test tube and
shake it to mix the contents. When the mixture has settled within five to 10
minutes, a gauge on the test tube indicates whether the water level has risen.
An increase in the amount of water on the gauge indicates that alcohol is present
in the fuel. The gauge will also indicate the percentage of alcohol. EAA's
kit is simpler than previous tests, as much less fuel is used to make a determination.
--------
Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
--------------------
It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching
for evidence which could support this.
- Bertrand Russell
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| From: | =?ISO-8859-1?Q?No=EBl_Bouchard?= <noelbou(at)vif.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb Twinstar MK II for sale |
Hello Kolber,
I have decided to sell my beloved Benedicte ...
She is a Kolb Twinstar MK II
Rotax 503
Built in 1990, New Wings / elevators covering in 2002
The frame has around 600 Hrs and the 503 has something like 150 Hours
since last full rebuilt 2 years ago.
The plane is in Montreal Canada
I am asking $8000 Firm.
For more info please email directly to:
noel(at)teledata.qc.ca
Best ...
Noel
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
You are correct Tom. Fortunately, I have not had any positive results for ethanol
in BP premium yet, but there was alcohol in the fuel the level of the water
would increase, not decrease. In the end, if I found any evidence if mixing,
I would not use the gas.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188470#188470
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| Subject: | Re: William Sullivan accident |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Sorry to hear of Williams accident... I have to agree with Pat on this one, the
theory and what you should do is very easy and makes perfect sense on the ground.
When someone gets into the air for the first time in a very different
airplane like a Kolb, it becomes a matter of just reacting to what is happening
at the moment... Most people get so overwhelmed in this situation that calm
intelligent analysis of the situation just is not going to happen.
William,
Don't let this scare you to bad, it would have happened to just about anyone with
your experience level. Everyone I take up in my MK III tries to slow and
flare very high, they would all stall and damage the airplane if I did not shove
the stick forward for them on the first few landings. No matter how much we
talk about not flaring to high and not letting the plane slow down, they all
make the same mistake until they see and try a couple landings for themselves.
Get some hours of training next time and it will be easy for you. Flying
a Kolb is very different from a Cessna, but it is easy once you get a couple
hours and are used to the different characteristics.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
If the water level is lower than your line, or gone all together after
mixing with the gas and shaking the jar, then it indicates that the gas has
alcohol in it ( ethanol) [Evil or Very Mad] Alcohol mixes with water
and enables the water to mix with the gas making your water level go down or
disappear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well now this test will work depending on the amounts of water and gas in
percents........
If you put in 50% water and 50%gas... then shake it up... the alcohol
will come out of the gas,,,, and the apparent water level will have
increased.
90% gas and 10% water will work as you have described.... provided there is
no water mixed with the gas already.
With one test showing more water and the other showing less.... there is
probably one mix somewhere in the middle percentages that would show no
change. Best make sure which side of the curve you are testing. I like
the 50 50 test.
Boyd Young
MkIII C 525+ hours and counting.
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