Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-ho
June 18, 2008 - July 07, 2008
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | William Sullivans Accident |
At 06:46 PM 6/18/2008, David Key wrote:
>I thought I'd heard everything now I'm hearing about un-gusts? LOL!!
What's so funny? Sailors have spoken of "non puffs" for years. It's a
sudden, brief, lull in an otherwise steady wind.
-Dana
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| From: | Ben Ransom <bransom(at)ucdavis.edu> |
| Subject: | Crow Hopping -- was WSullivan's accident |
Although it's as old as Seafoam discussions, I dare post my own opinion
again on "crow hopping". It's probably 10 years, so what the heck, here
it is. I am a proponent of them, in ultralights, if done after dual
training in a like aircraft.
Crow hopping has two key pieces: Foremost is getting there in baby
steps. Second, keep a mindset of very minor throttle changes, whether
they be increase or decrease in rpm, and similarly, stay with minimal
stick pitch changes. And I'm talking dual here!!
I had 4.5 hours of transition training in a 2-place phantom many years
ago. Most of that was crow hops, which started out as taxi, then fast
taxi, etc. By hour 3 I would go down the runway just at flying speed,
jockeying all 4 control inputs as needed. Important too, no wind until
I was pretty good at it. I did a lot of flight with wheels 0 to 2ft
AGL. No sudden moves, no surprises. Guess what, I got darn good at
controlling the plane in that configuration, even adding in wind. When
it came time to test fly my never before flown Firestar, I was confident
of being able to handle transition issues near the ground.
I'm posting just for the record that there are at least some (or at
least one ;) ) who maintain that learning crow hopping properly is a
good thing. Flying at altitude -- that's a lot simpler, and should be
optional.
-Ben/ KXP
ps: All the best to you William -- get well soon.
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| From: | David Key <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
Here are some phrases and terms I haven't figured out yet but I don=92t nee
d an explanation to. What is concerning is that I've seen them applied to a
ccident scenarios on this list.
"kolb drop", "the air went away", and "un-gusts"
I know being a pilot has the built in responsibility of always learning but
in these cases I think it could work against you. Un-Gusts LOL!! I'm still
cracking up. What's next, un-lift, my plane hit some un-lift and well as y
ou can understand I was screwed. At some point someone has to call fiction
fiction and made up made up and bull bull. If it's only to maintain some ki
nd of integrity to this list, the phrases and terms used for years and to p
revent new pilots from a total state of confusion. You know there is someon
e out there thinking =93kolb-drop=94, =93un-gusts=94 I don=92t understand t
his=85 (and you shouldn=92t)
Have you ever heard this=85 "the forecast calls for ceilings two thousand b
roken and winds 180 @ 16 un-gusts to 21" of course you haven=92t and you w
on=92t. Have you ever heard the tower say =93use caution we=92ve had report
s of un-gusts 2 miles off of 18=85=94 me neither and I won=92t. Have you ev
er read in an FAA accident report that the plane went down due to un-gusts?
Well your not going to.
But you don=92t have to believe me, call a briefer and tell them you were c
oncerned about un-gusts along your route and ask him if he can recommend a
alternate route around the un-gusts. Then ponder this answer, =93well it=92
s defiantly gustier to the North so I=92d say you should go there I expect
much less un-gusting there.=94
The weather was pleasant in Texas today there were un-tornados, un-rain and
un-wind all day long, un-fortunately it was very un-cold.
Would there be un-gusts if there weren=92t gusts and there wasn=92t someone
there to fly in it?
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:24:23 -0400To: kolb-list(at)matronics.comFrom: d-m-h
ague(at)comcast.netSubject: RE: Kolb-List: William Sullivans AccidentAt 06:46
PM 6/18/2008, David Key wrote:
I thought I'd heard everything now I'm hearing about un-gusts? LOL!!What's
so funny? Sailors have spoken of "non puffs" for years. It's a sudden, br
ief, lull in an otherwise steady wind.-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Crow Hopping -- was WSullivan's accident |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
bransom(at)ucdavis.edu wrote:
> Although it's as old as Seafoam discussions, I dare post my own opinion
> again on "crow hopping". It's probably 10 years, so what the heck, here
> it is. I am a proponent of them, in ultralights, if done after dual
> training in a like aircraft.
>
> Crow hopping has two key pieces: Foremost is getting there in baby
> steps. Second, keep a mindset of very minor throttle changes, whether
> they be increase or decrease in rpm, and similarly, stay with minimal
> stick pitch changes. And I'm talking dual here!!
>
> I had 4.5 hours of transition training in a 2-place phantom many years
> ago. Most of that was crow hops, which started out as taxi, then fast
> taxi, etc. By hour 3 I would go down the runway just at flying speed,
> jockeying all 4 control inputs as needed. Important too, no wind until
> I was pretty good at it. I did a lot of flight with wheels 0 to 2ft
> AGL. No sudden moves, no surprises. Guess what, I got darn good at
> controlling the plane in that configuration, even adding in wind. When
> it came time to test fly my never before flown Firestar, I was confident
> of being able to handle transition issues near the ground.
>
> I'm posting just for the record that there are at least some (or at
> least one ;) ) who maintain that learning crow hopping properly is a
> good thing. Flying at altitude -- that's a lot simpler, and should be
> optional.
>
> -Ben/ KXP
>
> ps: All the best to you William -- get well soon.
I'll add my .02 on crow-hopping, mostly because it deceptively gets pilots in trouble.....
In my experience, the crow hop is actually a pretty advanced maneuver and one that
requires pretty intimate familiarity with the plane, more so than simply blasting
off and landing normally.
So I think it should be done only after some time in normal flight modes in the
plane has been accumulated.
I'll never tell why I know this, so don't ask....
LS
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LS
FS II
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 08:55 PM 6/18/2008, David Key wrote:
>...Un-Gusts LOL!! I'm still cracking up....
OK, fine. "The airplane was flying just above stall speed when a brief
lull in the otherwise steady wind put him below stall speed..." Simpler to
call it, as sailors do, a "non puff" (as opposed to a puff). I called it
an un gust because fliers don't use the term "puff" much. Doesn't matter
what you call it, the phenomenon is real.
-Dana
--
When you get it right
mighty beasts float up into the sky
When you get it wrong
people die
-Roger Bacon (c1384)
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
I think the term is "wind shear".
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Dana Hague
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Un-gusts
At 08:55 PM 6/18/2008, David Key wrote:
...Un-Gusts LOL!! I'm still cracking up....
OK, fine. "The airplane was flying just above stall speed when a
brief lull in the otherwise steady wind put him below stall speed..."
Simpler to call it, as sailors do, a "non puff" (as opposed to a puff).
I called it an un gust because fliers don't use the term "puff" much.
Doesn't matter what you call it, the phenomenon is real.
-Dana
--
When you get it right
mighty beasts float up into the sky
When you get it wrong
people die
-Roger Bacon (c1384)
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| Subject: | Re: William Sullivans Accident |
| From: | "The BaronVonEvil" <grageda(at)innw.net> |
Hi All
When most people think of wind gusts they think of a sudden rush of wind coming
at them or flying into them head on.
I believe what is meant by un-gust are actually just gust of wind that moves [In
the same direction as the aircraft is traveling] (Sorry I don't know how to
do italics).
This would make it appear that the wind has slowed or stopped relative to the motion
of the plane. I think when that happens, you loose lift and then start
to sink until you
A. Move out of the still air, (relative to the A/C)
B.The plane accelerates back up above stall speed or
C. Ends up on the ground.
I always try and carry a safe margin of speed on approach until I'm just above
the ground within safe bounce altitude and then bleed off airspeed until touch
down.
Should I encounter a 10 to 15 mph gust from behind, my airspeed should still be
above stall speed and continue flying until the plane accelerates with the gust
or flies out of it.
Un-Gust is as good a name as any for a generic term for this type of wind effect.
Just My $.02
Carlos G.
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | William Sullivans Accident |
I remember wearing the brakes out on my CGS Hawk, taxing it up and down
the runway (back in 1983) before I ever flew it. I did solo in a
Cessna 150 after 4 hours and
spent about 2 hours in a two-seat QuickSilver so I had some training.
I can only see out of one eye,
but I discovered that wasn't nearley the problem I though it would be.
My fricking "Dealer" lived about 40 miles north of me and never could
find the time to come look at the plane to see if it
was built according to the plans. If you guys think "Kolb" plans have
some deficiencies,
you should have seen mine and if you think Kolbs are hard to
build...I was not even sure
if the wings were upside down or not.
Anyway - he told me that if I would fly it up to his place, he would
take a good look at it
and make sure everything was OK. Back then, the Ultralight factories
were going full bore, and the
market was awash with new designs. And "knockoffs of new designs, and
knockoffs of the knockoffs.
Somebody would bring a new one up every two or three weeks, put it
together & try to fly it
the next day. There were plans with bicycle wheels for landing gear &
worse - neat.
So mine (being the state-of -the-art) looked pretty good. Back then,
(state of the art) meant
double surfaced wings, ailerons (not spoilers) and mine even had flaps!!
All that being said, I had everyone at the airport help me go over
the plane before it's first flight.
I don't care who you are - that is always scary. They would find
things like missing bolts, missing
nuts, missing cotter pins ...etc. Things that would make the aircraft
difficult or interesting to handle under any
circumstances.
If William would have been flying with us back then he would have fit
right in. Just kidding.
You just started 20 years too late William.
BTW: I did get there, manage to land and get back. Cheated death again.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 10:02 PM 6/18/2008, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
>I think the term is "wind shear".
I suppose that could apply, but I always thought of wind shear as applying
when an aircraft flew from a mass of air steadily moving at one velocity to
another steadily moving at another velocity, whereas an un-gust (or gust)
is more a transient bit of turbulence moving along with the wind, such that
it temporarily cancels (or reinforces) the mainstream wind. Put another
way, a gust can be either positive or negative (or sideways, a sudden brief
wind shift).
I suppose I should've said "lull" instead... but I think of a "non puff"
(or "un gust") as a particularly short and sharp edged lull.
-Dana
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Press any key... no, no, no, NOT THAT ONE!
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
I have to land on this postage stamp every time I fly (at least
1,400 landings here - so far).
Only one way out and in. (Always land up hill) and we got trees at
the north end anyway.
I learned a long time ago that if I have a 10 mph headwind while landing, I add
10 mph to the landing speed because it's going to "ungust" or quit
when I get below
the trees. BUT I hate the south/tail winds the most. You still have
to add speed to the
landing so you don't have loose controls (that adds 10 mph for the
wind & 10 mph for
what you added - VGs are nice) . We are not allowed a "bounce" with
downwind landings.
These Kolbs are like a horse, you've got to have enough wind going
over the surfaces to make
it do what you want it to do. If you want that left wing up, you
better have wind going over it
to make it do what you want it to do. Called "Horsing it in".
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=263159682459782825&hl=en
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| From: | "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com> |
Reminds me of a story of a young WWI pilot who crashed his Bi-Plane on Take-Off.
The ensuing 'Inquiry' found him guilty of poor technique and both grounded
and demoted him. His appeal's to his superiors established a review committee
that quashed the initial finding and instead attributed the accident to attempting
a take off in meteorological conditions when there was no 'lift' in the air.
His demotion was canceled and he was restored to flying status forthwith.
The review committee also took the opportunity of congratulating the pilot on the
occasion of his engagement to the commanders daughter.
(Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more !)
David. :-)
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
Wind shear is quite different! But can also cause an unexpected drop
in airspeed
do not archive
On Jun 18, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
> I think the term is "wind shear".
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dana Hague
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Un-gusts
>
> At 08:55 PM 6/18/2008, David Key wrote:
>
>> ...Un-Gusts LOL!! I'm still cracking up....
>
> OK, fine. "The airplane was flying just above stall speed when a
> brief lull in the otherwise steady wind put him below stall
> speed..." Simpler to call it, as sailors do, a "non puff" (as
> opposed to a puff). I called it an un gust because fliers don't
> use the term "puff" much. Doesn't matter what you call it, the
> phenomenon is real.
>
> -Dana
>
>
> --
> When you get it right
> mighty beasts float up into the sky
> When you get it wrong
> people die
>
> -Roger Bacon (c1384)
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| Subject: | Bill Sullivan's Accident |
| From: | edharvey1(at)juno.com |
There may be an additional casualty in Bill's accident: town
officials have advised us that they are reviewing the advisability of
renewing our lease in view of our unsafe and irresponsible flying
practices. We are finding it difficult to defend against charges that are
essentially true.
So it may be that the countless hours of effort over the past 5
years to convert this remote, decommissioned landfill into a viable,
active ultralight airstrip may all be forfeited. We should know for sure
in a few weeks.
Ed Harvey
Firefly038/447/IVO
Silver Wings Ultralight Club
Palmer. MA.
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| Subject: | Re: William Sullivans Accident |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
It is true about the gusts of wind, it is possible to be flying along and suddenly
lose 10 MPH of airspeed due to a gust from behind, or suddenly loosing a
gust that is coming from the front. If you are flying a slow approach within
10 MPH of stall speed, you will suddenly find yourself stalled very close to
the ground.
Downdraft's do not occur close to the ground unless there is some extraordinary
circumstance like high wind next to a hanger, or a bad thunderstorm in the area...
10 MPH gusts are very common, even on a nice day. It is a good idea to keep approach
speeds very high, especially in ultralight aircraft like the Kolbs.
In a new type of airplane far different than he has ever flown before, without
an airspeed indicator, William did not have much of a chance. Don't give up
on Kolbs's William, they are pretty easy to fly with a little bit of instruction
in this type of plane and an airspeed indicator !!!
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Bill Sullivan's Accident |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
edharvey1(at)juno.com wrote:
>
> town
> officials have advised us that they are reviewing the advisability of
> renewing our lease in view of our unsafe and irresponsible flying
> practices. We are finding it difficult to defend against charges that are
> essentially true.
> Ed Harvey
>
With that attitude you deserve to be closed down. Does one accident mean that
you all are engaging in "unsafe and irresponsible flying practices" ? So next
time some new driver crashes his car in down, you would say that people are
driving recklessly and that streets should be blocked off to traffic ? So
tell me when does one accident by a new pilot make this " Essentially True " as
you have stated ?
Ed, grow some balls and stand up for yourself. With statements like your just
made here, is it any wonder they want to close you down ?
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "Carlos" <grageda(at)innw.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bill Sullivan's Accident |
Hi Ed,
I suspect that until the accident, your airstrip was "Under the Radar" of
those helpful folks who see every open space as a spot that needs a house on
it.
Now that it has been discovered it will be only a matter of time before some
developer convinces the city fathers that here is a city revenue making
opportunity by allowing the property to to sprout houses... and that it
would eliminate any liabilities of a aircraft operation.
So who do you think will win this argument?
Sorry to hear about your situation,
Carlos G.
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From: <edharvey1(at)juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 6:57 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Bill Sullivan's Accident
>
> There may be an additional casualty in Bill's accident: town
> officials have advised us that they are reviewing the advisability of
> renewing our lease in view of our unsafe and irresponsible flying
> practices. We are finding it difficult to defend against charges that are
> essentially true.
> So it may be that the countless hours of effort over the past 5
> years to convert this remote, decommissioned landfill into a viable,
> active ultralight airstrip may all be forfeited. We should know for sure
> in a few weeks.
>
> Ed Harvey
> Firefly038/447/IVO
> Silver Wings Ultralight Club
> Palmer. MA.
>
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| From: | LEE CREECH <dcreech3(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | William Sullivans Accident |
Good point Dana makes about slow airplanes -- I think the implication is th
at the oft-cited "1.3 times stall speed" rule of thumb for approach speed m
ay not be enough, since that point-three margin is not very many MPH when y
ou stall at 35!
Regarding the "low inertia of such a light plane", though -- I would have t
hought that's an asset rather than a liability in that situation, since it
allows the plane to accelerate more quickly to regain the airspeed that's l
ost when an "un-gust" or decreasing headwind is encountered. Wrong?
Regards to all,
Lee
Firestar II
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:27:45 -0400To: kolb-list(at)matronics.comFrom: d-m-h
ague(at)comcast.netSubject: Re: Kolb-List: William Sullivans AccidentBill,Firs
t, I'm glad you're OK (more or less). Bad as it was, it could have been a
lot worse!Unless you're in rotor behind obstacles, you won't find downdraft
s at 15'. What you _will_ find is gusts or "un gusts", which can quickly r
educe your airspeed from something above stall to below stall... and you dr
op. This may have been what happened. I the aircraft you previously flew,
the higher stall speed means such an effect is a smaller percentage of the
stall speed, so it's less likely to be a problem. However, if you're appr
oaching at 35 mph in an airplane that stalls at 30, and you get a 10 mph un
-gust... well, you get the picture. Add to this the inoperative ASI, the t
endency of the plane to pitch up when you reduce power and the low inertia
of such a light plane, and it's even worse. That's why in an ultralight yo
u don't just "fly the plane to the ground", but (to the perspective of a pi
lot with GA experience) you literally DIVE the plane at the runway.Anyway,
I hope you recover soon, and get to work rebuilding or shopping for another
or whatever makes sense, so we can fly together.-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: William Sullivans Accident |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
After flying a Firestar for 21 years, a smooth landing can be accomplished every
time by actually diving the plane toward the runway. I use a 60 mph approach
speed at about 3500 RPM. This sounds hot and it is, but remember that a Firestar
is light with a lot of drag that dissipates quickly. Cut the power just before
touchdown (novices should keep the power on until the aircraft is on the
ground and rolling). There is a technique to it and it takes practice. After flying
the Kolbra (591 lbs) for a few hours, I don't need to dive the plane down
as it has a lot more weight and inertia. The Firestar needs that airspeed to
punch through wind gusts and lifting thermals. Bill Sullivan was the victim of
a lack of airspeed. Without experience and no ASI he was setup for failure.
The Kolbs are one the safest aircraft to fly, but it takes some good training
and practice to make a good landing.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
0 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: Crow Hopping -- was WSullivan's accident |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
We all have opinions on crow-hopping when learning to fly. I agree with Lucien
as it's a setup for a crash. The problem is that a Kolb will hop into the air
too quickly and catch the pilot by surprise. When this happens, the pilot cuts
the throttle, stalls the plane, and down she goes very hard. This is classic
and I have heard many a Kolb pilot hurt or crash their planes this way.
Once I test flew an Ultrastar for a guy. After I was done with it, I told him that
if he got into the air, to give it throttle and go for it. He took off and
chopped the throttle (just what I told him not to do). I witnessed an accident
that day. He wasn't hurt, but the Ultrastar was.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
0 years flying it
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Crow Hopping |
Ben
Its almost always good to to hear from you. On this subject again I
disagree.
I have been flying my VW powered MKIIIC for ten+ years and apparently not as
skilled a pilot as you. Last year when I got my newest reduction drive I
wanted to test it without actually committing aviation so I decided to crow
hop. I had tied the plane down and did a full power run up but. My strip is
only 1400 ft so gentle power changes would not get me airborne AND stopped
by the end of the strip. I was shocked. I would full power run up to flying
speed then pull power back with the intent of flying a few feet off the
ground. Wow. I pride myself on balancing power down pitch down power up
pitch up in the air but a few feet off the ground the skill level needs to
be very very high. I only did this a few times before I decided that this
was much more dangerous than just flying this preproduction redrive.
I noticed that you practiced crow hops in a Two place Phantom. For those
that aren't familiar with it I will note that it is tractor configuration. I
have never flown one but I suspect that it is much more docile in the crow
hop maneuver. I agree that if a crow hop is done power changes should be
made VERY minor. Also on a 5,000 to 10000 foot grass strip where a new pilot
will not feel rushed. Remember your are recommending this to a new pilot.
Gentle on the controls will come with time.
Again I recommend that crow hops should never be done is a Kolb. A Kolb is a
very good airplane but like all airplanes there are some things that you
shouldn't do and this is one of them. I do agree that learning balanced
usage of the controls is a very good thing but not close to the ground where
you have no room for error. Its somewhat like learning to drive a car on
ice. My dad took me to a big open parking lot where there was plenty of room
for error. Crow hopping is like learning ice driving on a crowded city
street.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Ransom" <bransom(at)ucdavis.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:54 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Crow Hopping -- was WSullivan's accident
>
> Although it's as old as Seafoam discussions, I dare post my own opinion
> again on "crow hopping". It's probably 10 years, so what the heck, here
> it is. I am a proponent of them, in ultralights, if done after dual
> training in a like aircraft.
>
> Crow hopping has two key pieces: Foremost is getting there in baby steps.
> Second, keep a mindset of very minor throttle changes, whether they be
> increase or decrease in rpm, and similarly, stay with minimal stick pitch
> changes. And I'm talking dual here!!
>
> I had 4.5 hours of transition training in a 2-place phantom many years
> ago. Most of that was crow hops, which started out as taxi, then fast
> taxi, etc. By hour 3 I would go down the runway just at flying speed,
> jockeying all 4 control inputs as needed. Important too, no wind until I
> was pretty good at it. I did a lot of flight with wheels 0 to 2ft AGL. No
> sudden moves, no surprises. Guess what, I got darn good at controlling
> the plane in that configuration, even adding in wind. When it came time
> to test fly my never before flown Firestar, I was confident of being able
> to handle transition issues near the ground.
> I'm posting just for the record that there are at least some (or at least
> one ;) ) who maintain that learning crow hopping properly is a good
> thing. Flying at altitude -- that's a lot simpler, and should be
> optional.
>
> -Ben/ KXP
>
> ps: All the best to you William -- get well soon.
>
>
>
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivans Accident |
My MkIII is just as fat and heavy with the resultant inertia.
Carrying power all the way in is
enticing because it is easier. I do it myself but actually, cutting
power out on long final
or even the end of downwind is really good practice. It makes you
more aware of
wind and rate of descent.
BB
still windy, car painting.
On 19, Jun 2008, at 11:56 AM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> After flying a Firestar for 21 years, a smooth landing can be
> accomplished every time by actually diving the plane toward the
> runway. I use a 60 mph approach speed at about 3500 RPM. This
> sounds hot and it is, but remember that a Firestar is light with a
> lot of drag that dissipates quickly. Cut the power just before
> touchdown (novices should keep the power on until the aircraft is
> on the ground and rolling). There is a technique to it and it takes
> practice. After flying the Kolbra (591 lbs) for a few hours, I
> don't need to dive the plane down as it has a lot more weight and
> inertia. The Firestar needs that airspeed to punch through wind
> gusts and lifting thermals. Bill Sullivan was the victim of a lack
> of airspeed. Without experience and no ASI he was setup for
> failure. The Kolbs are one the safest aircraft to fly, but it takes
> some good training and practice to make a good landing.
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 21 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 0 years flying it
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188604#188604
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bill Sullivan's Accident |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I am not jumping on Bill Sullivan or any of their friends, I am jumping on ONE
GUY - Ed Harvey, and it is well deserved.
Making a statement like Ed Harvey did:
" We are finding it difficult to defend against charges that are
essentially true. "
Is nothing short of asking to have your field closed down. The fact that a a new
guy got into an accident is nothing new, it happens all the time in any sport...
To go around saying that the accusations of " Unsafe and irresponsible
flying practices are essentially true " is nothing short short of asking for
the land to be taken away... So Russ, this is exactly the time to be jumping
all over Ed, before starts making statements like this in more public places.
My post is directed at ONE GUY not the rest of the group as you so incorrectly
stated.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188632#188632
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| Subject: | Re: William Sullivans Accident |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
My Mark III weights 425# empty. All of our landings are done at idle from the
base leg to touchdown. I only add power if I am coming up short or wind interferes.
My indicated stall is 46mph my normal approach is 65mph or about 1.4X stall. In
rough air with plenty or rotor at the end of the runway I have pushed 70 and
75mph on the approach to cut through the crap.
It seems to work fine. All of my training has involved making approaches and landings
at idle. The Mk III actually floats down the runway a fair distance before
touching the tail wheel 1stwith the 65mph approach.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188664#188664
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| From: | Dudley <airspeedx3(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Doing it the proper way!! |
> You'll need a Private or sport...
-
- Got it!!
-
> You'll need Airworthiness
-
Working on it...got the paperwork!
-
> He'll have gone over your Weight and Balance... And he'll tell you he wan
ts it in the FRONT 51% of the CG RANGE ( Better recovery )
-
Yup!!
-> You'll need a Tailwheel endorsement ( Around 10 hrs )
-
Okay.
-
> Then , Last but not least , you'll need 5 hrs in a "LIKE" aircraft ( vari
es )
-
Can we log this simultaneous in the "Tailwheel endorsement plane"?
-
> I SWEAR .... If you do all of this , You will have NO PROBLEM
> flying your plane.... ( Just give it extra Left Rudder on take-off )
As it should be!!!!- Good advice.- I shall follow it.-- Mike Welch
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William and/or Justina Fyfe" <wjfyfe(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Information on Mark III and Kolbra |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
Kolbers,
I was interviewed for the local newpaper during the fly-in. The article
came out today. I asked for an email copy of it and I put it up at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly141.html
I thought you may enjoy it.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | gary aman <gaman(at)att.net> |
Possum,
We could start a new thread here ( and leave William alone for a while) .I'll
start it with; :you call that a postage stamp?I've seen aircraft carriers smaller
than that!
----- Original Message ----
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:55:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Un-gusts
I have to land on this postage stamp every time I fly (at least
1,400 landings here - so far).
Only one way out and in. (Always land up hill) and we got trees at
the north end anyway.
I learned a long time ago that if I have a 10 mph headwind while landing, I add
10 mph to the landing speed because it's going to "ungust" or quit
when I get below
the trees. BUT I hate the south/tail winds the most. You still have
to add speed to the
landing so you don't have loose controls (that adds 10 mph for the
wind & 10 mph for
what you added - VGs are nice) . We are not allowed a "bounce" with
downwind landings.
These Kolbs are like a horse, you've got to have enough wind going
over the surfaces to make
it do what you want it to do. If you want that left wing up, you
better have wind going over it
to make it do what you want it to do. Called "Horsing it in".
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=263159682459782825&hl=en
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| Subject: | Re: One less hurdle |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
Thanks Rick,
I received my Kolb training from Jim Kmet, an experienced Kolb pilot and an excellent
CFI. Since he signed me off, I AM flying off some of my required solo
hours in my Kolb. I find learning about and becoming very familiar with every
available resource, even if it is "old-fashioned", is well worth it. It's good
to have a back-up. (You never know when some crazy country will decide to
blow up our GPS satellites, right? - wouldn't that cripple a lot of people...not
just pilots.) I can use and operate my husband's GPS. It is a small one and
doesn't have many features but it would tell me what direction I'm flying and
where I've been. I will learn more advanced GPS when I can afford to buy one.
My current instructor is training me in a 1977 Cessna 150. I began learning to
fly with just the intention of going up and seeing the view, which my Kolb serves
that purpose, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of one day renting a
Cessna and taking a little trip or taking up a few friends and family. My Mark
II will only take a 200 lb passenger (I have many family and friends larger
than that) and even then the passenger seat is very small and cramped such that
even a 160 lb passenger might be uncomfortable.
After I had some Kolb training, but before I got my sign off some older pilots
hanging around the airport urged me to fast taxi or do crow hops, but luckily
one of my mentors there said, "That is too dangerous" and proceeded to explain
why. The others would have had me believe that fast taxiing or crow hopping
(without further training) would be a good thing. I suppose those are the same
type of people who would throw me in a pool saying, "Sink or swim". Isn't that
what they used to do in the "old days"?
Hindsight is much easier than foresight and it's easy for people to say, "You shouldn't
have done that...that was too dangerous." It might even be the same
people who told you to do it! Sometimes an action can seem very logical and practical
at the time and unless you have someone around who has been there...done
that or perhaps even heard about the dangers of doing something, you may very
well do something dangerous and sometimes you may make it through ok, and
sometimes not. I just pray that I'll always have someone around who's "been there,
done that" and that I'll have the ears to listen.
Thanks,
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II
NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Cristal
>
> It's great to hear about getting your pilots license. It's a lot of work.
> Today we hear of to many that are continuing to fly illegally without a
> license. And a few that try to fly with almost no training and hurt them
> selves. Keep us informed of your progress.
>
> I wonder about your instructor wanting you to practice ADF and VORs. It
> surprises me that these instruments are still in airplanes. Are you getting
> GPS training or glass cockpits? I suppose you still had to learn to decode
> weather briefings for your written. Check out Pilot-Mycast for your cell
> phone. There is everything you can get from a weather briefer direct,
> graphic and decoded.
>
> Also are you able to get flight training in something closer to a Kolb. Are
> you going to fly off some of your hours in your Kolb? Be real careful
> letting a GA instructor fly your plane or instruct in it. Pilots used to the
> big heavies don't do well in a Kolb. The CFI instructor for Old Kolb told me
> his most difficult students were long time GA pilots and instructors.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
>
> ---
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | gary aman <gaman(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivans Accident |
Grant,
My MK-3 weighs 623 empty and stalls below 30 (with vg's) and just me 170# in it.I'd
almost bet you have some error in your indicated airspeed.65 is my economy
cruise speed!
----- Original Message ----
From: grantr <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:28:10 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: William Sullivans Accident
My Mark III weights 425# empty. All of our landings are done at idle from the
base leg to touchdown. I only add power if I am coming up short or wind interferes.
My indicated stall is 46mph my normal approach is 65mph or about 1.4X stall. In
rough air with plenty or rotor at the end of the runway I have pushed 70 and
75mph on the approach to cut through the crap.
It seems to work fine. All of my training has involved making approaches and landings
at idle. The Mk III actually floats down the runway a fair distance before
touching the tail wheel 1stwith the 65mph approach.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188664#188664
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
<>
Now there is a guy who is really switched on! Falling out of my airplane...
well.. wonder why I never thought of that.
.<< So he got a better seatbelt to replace the racing buckle he first had.
He saw just what he needed at Toys R Us,>>
So he went to the shop and bought a safety harness that was rated to stop a
5 year old child from going through the windshield at 30 mph. I hope it
never has to stop a full grown man from being thrown out of his plane at 70
mph when it hits a tree
The best bit was that the plane `was made of Dacron`. Great !. Just like an
umbrella with no frame. Presumably you can roll it up in a ball and put it
in your pocket.
Cripes. I said in my post that all reporters write b********s. Even when
you carefully explain everything they will write it up full of mistakes.
Worse they may have an agenda of their own
.We were unfortunate to have a light aircraft written off at a local strip
I sometimes use. The pilot missed the strip, tried to put it down in an
adjacent field and rolled it into a ball.
Reporters, newspaper and TV, descended on the site and proceeded to question
everyone in the area. The main thrust of all their questions was " Doesn`t
it scare you with these little planes flying overhead all the time" All they
wanted to do was dump on someone, get the locals to complain about the noise
etc.,.
Luckily we are very close, actually within the MATZ, of Lyneham which
operates the largest fleet of C130 outside the States. All the neighbors
said that the C130`s were much more of a problem than the planes operating
out of this little strip.
You gotta watch the press. Even if you write the report yourself they will
edit it so that it reads wrongly.
We are all enthusiastic about our sport and like to spread the word and its
a bit of an ego boost to have your name attached to a report. However, over
the years I have come to believe that we are best served by keeping our
heads down and keeping the media out of the picture if we possible can. If
you want to spread the word talk to your friends NOT the press.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
Just got my bi-annual review a couple of days ago. Wow, it was a lot better
than the original performance examination. This was relaxed and fun. I
went to Wetumpka, Al, Airport and utilized the services of Tommy Ussery. He
has a J-3. Being as I already have a tail dragger permit (took my exam in
one so it is instant), the J-3 fit the bill. This evaluation is supposed to
be informative and instructive at the same time. Tommy did a wonderful job.
Being as I am not used to his plane, he took the time to 'show' me exactly
what he wanted me to accomplish and I did it. No big surprises, no nerve
racking questions or tricks. The big ole J-3 does not perform as my Kolb
Sling Shot but nothing does!! I can see where for the most part, the J-3
would be a good trainer plane for a Kolb driver except a whole lot more
rudder is required (which is good training). It landed pretty much the same
(3-point stall). I am good for two more years now.
Gotta mention, we had a cross wind on asphault and not once did we
experience an un-gust! I have heard a lot of excuses in my time but this is
rediculous.
I am self taught all the way until Sport Pilot so I gotta tell you, the crow
hop is about the only way a person can learn his plane and get good enough
on the controls hopefully not to kill yourself. If you do taxi too fast you
do have the problem of backing off power (the kolb wants to fly at that
point) but if you push it over a little, you can control it fine. I think
personally, you need to just relax and let your hands do the walking and
shut off your brain. If you think too hard about what you are going to do,
you wont do it right. You need to relax and let your intuition do it for
you. your instincs will work if you let them. works that way for RC too.
Dont think about what you are about to do, just do it. I am amased though,
with some humans, walking is about as proficient as they are ever going to
get. "You can teach a Monkey to fly better than that" but you cannot get
them to pack a parachute. Sorry if I insulted anyone. Just keep practicing
until using the rudder is natural and you dont have to THINK about it. That
is the key. Ted Cowan, Alabama
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bill Sullivan's Accident |
Making a statement like Ed Harvey did:
" We are finding it difficult to defend against charges that are
essentially true. "
>>
I agree. That looked like an invitation to be closed down. What sort of a
set up are they running there when they agree that unsound practices are the
norm?
I think that if I was learning to fly with an outfit like that I would find
somewhere else, pronto.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: William Sullivans Accident |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
Gaman,
This is with me an my instructor so 317# total.
Yes I think my asi is off about 10mph fast. I plan to check it with the gps method.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188741#188741
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
>
>You gotta watch the press. Even if you write the report yourself they will
>edit it so that it reads wrongly.
>
>We are all enthusiastic about our sport and like to spread the word and its
>a bit of an ego boost to have your name attached to a report. However, over
>the years I have come to believe that we are best served by keeping our
>heads down and keeping the media out of the picture if we possible can. If
>you want to spread the word talk to your friends NOT the press.
>
Pat,
At my age ego has nothing to do with it. This is a rural area, and just
about everyone knows everyone else. The New Gazette is a small local
newspaper that reports everything that happens in the county. If I had
refused to talk to the reporter, it would have been in the paper "Jack Hart
refuses to talk about ultra-light" Ms. Aukerman, locally, is well known for
"not getting it right". I was pleasantly surprised about how well she did
do with the article. In questioning her, I found she hates flying, but she
is a word smith and wrote an article that makes sense to her and most of the
other people in the county. Those who fly will get a chuckle about what she
wrote. Those who do not fly will find it interesting from the normal fare
of county, town, farm, and weather news.
We must not feel superior because we can fly. We should feel compassion for
those who have never had the experience.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | re: William Sullivan accident |
Kolbers: I am back home, and have not read the mail yet. My wife tells me you
have all been asking about me, and thank you for your best wishes. More later
on me and the incident later, but would somebody pleas forward the following:
Dear Homer Kolb-
I am sorry to say that I recently bent one of your fine aircraft, and I sincerely
apologize. Thank you for the fine design- it worked exactly as intended,
and the cage design protected me from any major injuries whatsoever. I will
give details later, but the take-off was totally unintentional, and the hard landing
was apparently a tailwind induced stall from a few feet up followed by
a cartwheel. When my wife released the seatbelt, I got up and walked away from
it. A very few cuts and bruises, and a couple of cracked bones (minor). I will
save this one for parts, and will soon purchase another.
Thank you again
Bill Sullivan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Ransom <bransom(at)ucdavis.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Crow Hopping |
Rick
I'm fine if there is disagreement on the merit of crow hopping. Just
wanted to get my $.02 in on it. It worked awfully well for me and I'm
grateful for having learned that way. I still enjoy riding along a
landing strip barely at flying speed and playing the controls. WRT
Phantom, although a tractor, it is still a high drag, low inertia plane,
and sinks quick when power chopped and two aboard. Makes sense there is
less pitch change due to throttle as you say. Can't remember that well!
:) BTW, when my UL instructor and I felt I was dialed in, I got in a
Quicksilver MX to solo. I also wrote him a check for $5k to cover
anything other than 'happy landings'. How's that for self insured?
Good times.
Cheers,
-Ben
Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
>
>
> Ben
>
> Its almost always good to to hear from you. On this subject again I
> disagree.
>
> I have been flying my VW powered MKIIIC for ten+ years and apparently
> not as skilled a pilot as you. Last year when I got my newest
> reduction drive I wanted to test it without actually committing
> aviation so I decided to crow hop. I had tied the plane down and did a
> full power run up but. My strip is only 1400 ft so gentle power
> changes would not get me airborne AND stopped by the end of the strip.
> I was shocked. I would full power run up to flying speed then pull
> power back with the intent of flying a few feet off the ground. Wow. I
> pride myself on balancing power down pitch down power up pitch up in
> the air but a few feet off the ground the skill level needs to be very
> very high. I only did this a few times before I decided that this was
> much more dangerous than just flying this preproduction redrive.
>
> I noticed that you practiced crow hops in a Two place Phantom. For
> those that aren't familiar with it I will note that it is tractor
> configuration. I have never flown one but I suspect that it is much
> more docile in the crow hop maneuver. I agree that if a crow hop is
> done power changes should be made VERY minor. Also on a 5,000 to 10000
> foot grass strip where a new pilot will not feel rushed. Remember your
> are recommending this to a new pilot. Gentle on the controls will come
> with time.
>
> Again I recommend that crow hops should never be done is a Kolb. A
> Kolb is a very good airplane but like all airplanes there are some
> things that you shouldn't do and this is one of them. I do agree that
> learning balanced usage of the controls is a very good thing but not
> close to the ground where you have no room for error. Its somewhat
> like learning to drive a car on ice. My dad took me to a big open
> parking lot where there was plenty of room for error. Crow hopping is
> like learning ice driving on a crowded city street.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ransom" <bransom(at)ucdavis.edu>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:54 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Crow Hopping -- was WSullivan's accident
>
>
>>
>> Although it's as old as Seafoam discussions, I dare post my own
>> opinion again on "crow hopping". It's probably 10 years, so what the
>> heck, here it is. I am a proponent of them, in ultralights, if done
>> after dual training in a like aircraft.
>>
>> Crow hopping has two key pieces: Foremost is getting there in baby
>> steps. Second, keep a mindset of very minor throttle changes, whether
>> they be increase or decrease in rpm, and similarly, stay with minimal
>> stick pitch changes. And I'm talking dual here!!
>>
>> I had 4.5 hours of transition training in a 2-place phantom many
>> years ago. Most of that was crow hops, which started out as taxi,
>> then fast taxi, etc. By hour 3 I would go down the runway just at
>> flying speed, jockeying all 4 control inputs as needed. Important
>> too, no wind until I was pretty good at it. I did a lot of flight
>> with wheels 0 to 2ft AGL. No sudden moves, no surprises. Guess
>> what, I got darn good at controlling the plane in that configuration,
>> even adding in wind. When it came time to test fly my never before
>> flown Firestar, I was confident of being able to handle transition
>> issues near the ground.
>> I'm posting just for the record that there are at least some (or at
>> least one ;) ) who maintain that learning crow hopping properly is a
>> good thing. Flying at altitude -- that's a lot simpler, and should
>> be optional.
>>
>> -Ben/ KXP
>>
>> ps: All the best to you William -- get well soon.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
Jack,
I enjoyed "your" article, but it piqued my interest. What Italian
engine are you using, and what has been your experience with it,
performance and reliability? Also, what is the third engine and of
course why.
Thanks again,
Jerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
>
>Jack,
>
>I enjoyed "your" article, but it piqued my interest. What Italian
>engine are you using, and what has been your experience with it,
>performance and reliability? Also, what is the third engine and of
>course why.
>
Jerry,
I have 161 hours on a Simonini Victor 1+, 382 cc, one cylinder, water
cooled, reed valve engine with dual ignition and electric start. Although
they say it is more powerful than the Rotax 447, I do not believe this to be
the case. It burns 1.5 to 1.0 gph less than the Rotax 447 on my FireFly.
It is one sweet engine. If you would like more info on the engine, it can
be found at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html - and:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/fireflyindex.html
The reason for changing to a lower hp third engine, is to reduce fuel
consumption, drag, and overall weight. I will give up some climb rate, but
by going down in hp and weight, I can fare in more things and reduce drag
and still cruise just as fast. Since I have moved to east central Indiana,
the winters are more severe, and I would like to fly with a full enclosure
and remain 103-7 compliant. I purchased an MZ34 engine three + years ago,
and then got involved with moving etc. I took it out of storage a couple of
months ago and am trying to get the muffler mounted. It will hang inverted
off the rear of the fuselage. No propeller extension will be required.
Using electric start, and discarding the pull start, it should lower empty
weight by 40 to 50 pounds. This engine is air cooled reed valve engine of
27 hp.
In general, reed valve engines are smoother running and use less fuel than
piston ported engines. The big problem is carburetion and getting the Bing
tuned for your engine aircraft set up.
If you have any additional questions please let me know.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
We must not feel superior because we can fly. We should feel compassion for
those who have never had the experience.>>
Nicely put Jack.
As far as the egotrip is concerned. I don`t think age has much to do
with.it. I shall be 79 in August and I must confess to a little frisson of
pleasure when an article or a letter which I have written is good enough to
be published.
When I bust my leg hang gliding, not an unusual occurence in the sport, the
local press made their usual rubbish write up of it. While I was laid up
with my leg in plaster I wrote my own account for Sailplane and Gliding, the
main gliding magazine here
It so happened that I turned up at my next Rotary Club meeting to be met
with "The speaker has not turned up, can you talk about your crash" `Crash`
you will note , not `accident`.
Of course I was lucky. I had the article which I had just written clear in
my head. I also had a plaster cast on and was using crutches. Therefore I
found myself holding forth on how safe the sport was while surrounded by the
evidence that it obviously was not. The talk went well and by chance there
were several Rotarians from other Rotary Clubs in the audience. In due time
they reported to their Clubs that they had enjoyed my talk and as Rotary
Clubs are always short of speakers invitations to speak at other Clubs
rolled in.
In the end I think I did about 20 or so repeat performances, and didn`t have
to buy a dinner for ages. By the time of the last talk of course the
crutches were gone and the plaster cast but I learned the usefulness of
using props when speaking to a crowd.
Sailplane and Gliding also deemed my article worthy of publication and that
produced a few comments in the letter columns from readers worldwide.
Its an ill wind etc..
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
Jack,
Thank you for your informative reply and the links to your web site.
It has the best analysis of anything I've seen.
Jerry
On Jun 20, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>> I enjoyed "your" article, but it piqued my interest. What Italian
>> engine are you using, and what has been your experience with it,
>> performance and reliability? Also, what is the third engine and of
>> course why.
>>
>
> Jerry,
>
> I have 161 hours on a Simonini Victor 1+, 382 cc, one cylinder, water
> cooled, reed valve engine with dual ignition and electric start.
> Although
> they say it is more powerful than the Rotax 447, I do not believe
> this to be
> the case. It burns 1.5 to 1.0 gph less than the Rotax 447 on my
> FireFly.
> It is one sweet engine. If you would like more info on the engine,
> it can
> be found at:
>
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html - and:
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/fireflyindex.html
>
> The reason for changing to a lower hp third engine, is to reduce fuel
> consumption, drag, and overall weight. I will give up some climb
> rate, but
> by going down in hp and weight, I can fare in more things and
> reduce drag
> and still cruise just as fast. Since I have moved to east central
> Indiana,
> the winters are more severe, and I would like to fly with a full
> enclosure
> and remain 103-7 compliant. I purchased an MZ34 engine three +
> years ago,
> and then got involved with moving etc. I took it out of storage a
> couple of
> months ago and am trying to get the muffler mounted. It will hang
> inverted
> off the rear of the fuselage. No propeller extension will be
> required.
> Using electric start, and discarding the pull start, it should
> lower empty
> weight by 40 to 50 pounds. This engine is air cooled reed valve
> engine of
> 27 hp.
>
> In general, reed valve engines are smoother running and use less
> fuel than
> piston ported engines. The big problem is carburetion and getting
> the Bing
> tuned for your engine aircraft set up.
>
> If you have any additional questions please let me know.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The logical order of things |
>
>
>Fellow and future Kolb pilots,
>
> While we are still on the "crow hopping" subject, this my advice on the correct
order of doing them.
Mike,
Will you let someone else make the first flights in your plane to check it
out for trim? If you are to be the pilot on the original flight, it may be
of value to add some training experience on how to fly a poorly trimmed
aircraft from takeoff to landing, or during crow hopping.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | The logical order of things |
> Mike,
>
> Will you let someone else make the first flights in your plane to check it
> out for trim? If you are to be the pilot on the original flight, it may be
> of value to add some training experience on how to fly a poorly trimmed
> aircraft from takeoff to landing, or during crow hopping.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
Jack,
Seeing as how I am building it, I just naturally assumed it would fly perfect,
the first time!! Just kidding!!!!!!!
ha ha ha
Remember. I ASSUME NOTHING..... anymore!!
Absolutely yes, I'd be happy to have an experienced (Kolb) pilot do the maiden
flight. It will be as close
to "operationally fit" as I can make it. This is why I've gone to great lengths
to make sure the all the "angles of incidences" are all correct. (main wings,
hor. stab, etc.)
Maybe I could get you to come down to the Lake of the Ozarks, and give it a "once
around the patch".
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | The logical order of things |
> Anyone know what the life expectancy of a crow is anyhow??
>
> Jim
Providing he doesn't do something incredibly really dumb, such as act like a
human, he's probably gonna'
rack up about 50 years.
Mike W
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| From: | edharvey1(at)juno.com |
Apparently my previous posting was so poorly worded that it left
the impression that we generally operate in a dangerous and irresponsible
manner. This is not the case. There has been only one instance that might
be so described and that was Bill's recent unintended flight. It was to
this flight only that I was referring when I said it was difficult to
defend.
The only other incident in our history occurred 2 years ago when
a fuel pump failure on takeoff resulted in an off field landing with no
injuries and minor damage.
This is not a record of dangerous and irresponsible flying
practices.
We are not sitting on our hands waiting for the ax to fall and
are actively negotiating with the town. Only this one incident has been
cited against us and one incident does not constitute a practice.
Ed Harvey
Firefly/447/IVO
Palmer, MA
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter |
Edition 3.0
Hi All,
dont know if this is going to work but here is an example of a crop
circle in a field locally. Some people think it is the work of aliens(it
appeared overnight) but I think it more likely to be the local Young
Farmers Union, or the pub darts team.
It supposed to represent the numbers in pi but it is complicated to
explain. We had some Mandelbrot and Julian Equations last year.
The things I can see from my Kolb.
Cheers
Pat
The sender has included tags, so you can do more with these photos.
Download Photoshop (R) Album Starter Edition-Free!
http://www.adobe.com/aboutstarteredition
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: One less hurdle |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Jim
>
> It is so great that we have such talent in our group. Thanks for responding.
>
> The point I was trying to make is that there is so much to learn that to
> teach VORs and ADFs is really a waste. This equipment is expensive and
> inaccurate. No one in there right mind would even spend the money to repair
> one
> if it quit working when they could purchase a GPS for less money and get so
> much more. Its not just navigation accuracy its also the wealth of
> information at your fingertips. It would seem that pilot training should
> teach for the current and future not some antiquated equipment that should
> be phased out.
>
Don't mean to barge in on this thread but I don't really understand the animosity
towards VOR's that seems to have cropped up recently. It's actually not "inaccurate",
true it does take some skill to learn to use it at first, but after
that you really appreciate its simplicity and reliability.
The debate about GPS is contentious and has been going on for quite a while now.
The key point being whether to start using it as the _sole_ means of navigation
(rather than as just one means among several).
That appears to be part of what's behind the effort to eliminate things like VOR's.
Just teach how to use a GPS and then no need to learn all this other "outdated"
technology.
I may be kinda old-school, but I think that's a ridiculous (and dangerous) idea
for a variety of reasons that I won't go into here (unless we want a GPS vs other
navigation methods thread).
In small planes like ours, of course, GPS tends to be a lot more practical, for
size and cost reasons usually. But truth is, if I could fit a decent King VOR
in my titan I'd do it in a heartbeat (the one in my A22 barely works).
Or heck, any of you guys throwing away your old VOR's, give it to me. I'll _make_
the sucker fit.....
As for the ILS, I don't recall too many ILS's that require an ADF. Many require
DME, but I've seen some you can shoot with just a VOR and a LOC/GS.
LS
--------
LS
FS II
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188900#188900
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter |
Edition 3.0
Patrick:
What altitude were you when you took this photo from your Kolb?
john h
mkIII
The things I can see from my Kolb.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Lucien
Hey join in.
When I got my private ticket all there was for electronic navigation was
VORs and ADFs. Later I joined a flying club with three planes that all had
dual VORs with DME and a ADF. Believe me I used them and I was good at it.
At the time it was super. But the GPS offers so much more for less. At best
a VOR will give you a radial off a point and maybe a distance if it has DME
but Exactly where are you? The further you are from a VOR the worse it gets.
A GPS gives you a graphic and says you are right here. I'm not saying just
teach GPS also teach compass and clock (real navigation) for when the power
goes out.
When I was working in the computer field I had to drag slide rules and type
writers out of peoples hands all the time. Some people are never comfortable
with anything new. You wouldn't believe the battles to get some people to
use E-Mail.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:40 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: One less hurdle
>
>
> NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
>> Jim
>>
>> It is so great that we have such talent in our group. Thanks for
>> responding.
>>
>> The point I was trying to make is that there is so much to learn that to
>> teach VORs and ADFs is really a waste. This equipment is expensive and
>> inaccurate. No one in there right mind would even spend the money to
>> repair
>> one
>> if it quit working when they could purchase a GPS for less money and get
>> so
>> much more. Its not just navigation accuracy its also the wealth of
>> information at your fingertips. It would seem that pilot training should
>> teach for the current and future not some antiquated equipment that
>> should
>> be phased out.
>>
>
>
> Don't mean to barge in on this thread but I don't really understand the
> animosity towards VOR's that seems to have cropped up recently. It's
> actually not "inaccurate", true it does take some skill to learn to use it
> at first, but after that you really appreciate its simplicity and
> reliability.
>
> The debate about GPS is contentious and has been going on for quite a
> while now. The key point being whether to start using it as the _sole_
> means of navigation (rather than as just one means among several).
>
> That appears to be part of what's behind the effort to eliminate things
> like VOR's. Just teach how to use a GPS and then no need to learn all this
> other "outdated" technology.
>
> I may be kinda old-school, but I think that's a ridiculous (and dangerous)
> idea for a variety of reasons that I won't go into here (unless we want a
> GPS vs other navigation methods thread).
>
> In small planes like ours, of course, GPS tends to be a lot more
> practical, for size and cost reasons usually. But truth is, if I could fit
> a decent King VOR in my titan I'd do it in a heartbeat (the one in my A22
> barely works).
>
> Or heck, any of you guys throwing away your old VOR's, give it to me. I'll
> _make_ the sucker fit.....
>
> As for the ILS, I don't recall too many ILS's that require an ADF. Many
> require DME, but I've seen some you can shoot with just a VOR and a
> LOC/GS.
>
> LS
>
> --------
> LS
> FS II
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188900#188900
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Rick =C2-
I'm so glad you mention the Compass and Clock...
Personally I view the GPS as secondary confirmation to what my compass check
points
and Clock is telling me..
The GPS is also Great for helping you figure fuel requirements 8-) Distance
and speed is
right in your face.....=C2-
BUT here again you=C2-should already have =C2-numbers before leaving the
=C2-ground...
If the GPS fails for what ever reason =C2-and your=C2-50 miles out =C2
-the last thing you want=C2-
is a Panic attack at 3k...... =C2-Course in a Kolb you do have more LZ opt
ions than
the GA experience gives ya.... 8-) =C2-But landing in someone back yard to
ask
WHERE AM I =C2-just isnt cool hahahaha
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
st.net>=C2-
=C2-
Lucien=C2-
=C2-
Hey join in.=C2-
=C2-
When I got my private ticket all there was for electronic navigation was
VORs and ADFs.=C2-
Later I joined a flying club with three planes that all had
dual VORs with DME and a ADF.=C2-
Believe me I used them and I was good at it.=C2-
At the time it was super. But the GPS offers so much more for less.=C2-
At best
a VOR will give you a radial off a point and maybe a distance if it has DME
but Exactly where are you?
=C2-The further you are from a VOR the worse it gets.
A GPS gives you a graphic and says you are right here. I'm not saying just
teach GPS also teach compass and clock (real navigation) for when the power
goes out.=C2-
=C2-
When I was working in the computer field I had to drag slide rules and type
writers out of peoples hands all the time. Some people are never comfortable
with anything new. You wouldn't believe the battles to get some people to
use E-Mail.=C2-
=C2-
Rick Neilsen=C2-
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC=C2-
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>=C2-
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:40 AM=C2-
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: One less hurdle=C2-
=C2-
-
>=C2-
>=C2-
> NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:=C2-
>> Jim=C2-
>>=C2-
>> It is so great that we have such talent in our group. Thanks for
>> responding.=C2-
>>=C2-
>> The point I was trying to make is that there is so much to learn that to
=C2-
>> teach VORs and ADFs is really a waste. This equipment is expensive and
=C2-
>> inaccurate. No one in there right mind would even spend the money to
>> repair=C2-
>> one=C2-
>> if it quit working when they could purchase a GPS for less money and get
>> so=C2-
>> much more. Its not just navigation accuracy its also the wealth of=C2-
>> information at your fingertips. It would seem that pilot training should
=C2-
>> teach for the current and future not some antiquated equipment that
>> should=C2-
>> be phased out.=C2-
>>=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
> Don't mean to barge in on this thread but I don't really understand the
> animosity towards VOR's that seems to have cropped up recently. It's
> actually not "inaccurate", true it does take some skill to learn to use it
> at first, but after that you really appreciate its simplicity and
> reliability.=C2-
>=C2-
> The debate about GPS is contentious and has been going on for quite a
> while now. The key point being whether to start using it as the _sole_
> means of navigation (rather than as just one means among several).=C2-
>=C2-
> That appears to be part of what's behind the effort to eliminate things
> like VOR's. Just teach how to use a GPS and then no need to learn all this
> other "outdated" technology.=C2-
>=C2-
> I may be kinda old-school, but I think that's a ridiculous (and dangerous)
> idea for a variety of reasons that I won't go into here (unless we want a
> GPS vs other navigation methods thread).=C2-
>=C2-
> In small planes like ours, of course, GPS tends to be a lot more
> practical, for size and cost reasons usually. But truth is, if I could fit
> a decent King VOR in my titan I'd do it in a heartbeat (the one in my A22
> barely works).=C2-
>=C2-
> Or heck, any of you guys throwing away your old VOR's, give it to me. I'll
> _make_ the sucker fit.....=C2-
>=C2-
> As for the ILS, I don't recall too many ILS's that require an ADF. Many
> require DME, but I've seen some you can shoot with just a VOR and a
> LOC/GS.=C2-
>=C2-
> LS=C2-
>=C2-
> --------=C2-
> LS=C2-
> FS II=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
> Read this topic online here:=C2-
>=C2-
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188900#188900=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
> =C2-
============C2-
============C2-
============C2-
============C2-
=C2-
=C2-
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Lucien
>
> Hey join in.
>
> When I got my private ticket all there was for electronic navigation was
> VORs and ADFs. Later I joined a flying club with three planes that all had
> dual VORs with DME and a ADF. Believe me I used them and I was good at it.
> At the time it was super. But the GPS offers so much more for less. At best
> a VOR will give you a radial off a point and maybe a distance if it has DME
> but Exactly where are you? The further you are from a VOR the worse it gets.
> A GPS gives you a graphic and says you are right here. I'm not saying just
> teach GPS also teach compass and clock (real navigation) for when the power
> goes out.
>
> When I was working in the computer field I had to drag slide rules and type
> writers out of peoples hands all the time. Some people are never comfortable
> with anything new. You wouldn't believe the battles to get some people to
> use E-Mail.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> ---
Well I'm ambivalent about GPS personally. I'm all for anything that reduces pilot
workload, but at the same time I get really nervous hanging multi-thousand
buck airplanes on little crappy electronic devices (especially digital ones).
Note tongue is a little in cheek here but....
It's sort of like the debate about putting new technology on engines - electronic
fuel injection, electronic spark advance and all this stuff. Fact is, you don't
need 95% of that stuff in an aircraft applications for a variety of reasons.
A good friend of mine back in TX once told me that the Lycosaurs and continentals
were so exactingly refined for aviation that they havn't changed since the
late 1940's. Or was it that they quit adding new features in the 1940's and then
it's merely been refining them for aviation that's gone on since...
Can't remember, but I think his point was quite well made ;).
I'd say CDI is the best innovation that's come to aircraft engines in the last
50 years and really the only one that truly improves an a/c engine's situation.
This may or may not be true of GPS in avionics. GPS has lot of downsides - it's
little crappy digital semiconductors, 100 bucks worth of parts being sold for
100 times that with the single-point failure problem in most cases, the GPS is
owned by the military and they frequently intentionally degrade the signal (like
they do here) with very little notice and on and on.
For reasons like this, I don't like the idea of GPS as _sole_ means of aviation.
I think it's fine as one of several and it's absolutely grand in that regard.
It adds so much simplicity to navigation and helps so much with situational
awareness and so on.
But I'm not convinced that it's reliable enough to justify pitching the "old technology"
out altogether. An analogue VOR or even two in good working condition
can by itself get you out of all kinds of jams even absent anything else (This
is how I found myself again on my private long xcountry for example when I
got lost).
I don't think FnAA agrees tho and they seem to be pushing it as sole means. So
who knows.
Like I said, if I could fit a good VOR in the titan I'd definitely install one...
LS
--------
LS
FS II
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188966#188966
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
just a humorous comment -- many Bahamian natives fish in small
smacks, rocks for ballast, no compass, no lights, no nothing. Good
sailors, but the navigation is near-nonexistent.
After a storm, when they fetch up on an unknown coast or harbor,
their first call is "HELLO DIS PLACE' -- then someone ashore will yell
"WELCOME TO ABACO", and then they'll say "HELLOOOO ABACO!" and go on
from there. It works.
do not archive
On Jun 21, 2008, at 2:14 PM, knowvne(at)aol.com wrote:
> Rick
> I'm so glad you mention the Compass and Clock...
> Personally I view the GPS as secondary confirmation to what my
> compass check points
> and Clock is telling me..
>
> The GPS is also Great for helping you figure fuel requirements 8-)
> Distance and speed is
> right in your face.....
>
> BUT here again you should already have numbers before leaving the
> ground...
>
> If the GPS fails for what ever reason and your 50 miles out the
> last thing you want
> is a Panic attack at 3k...... Course in a Kolb you do have more LZ
> options than
> the GA experience gives ya.... 8-) But landing in someone back
> yard to ask
> WHERE AM I just isnt cool hahahaha
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:57 pm
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
>
>
>
> Lucien
>
> Hey join in.
>
> When I got my private ticket all there was for electronic
> navigation was VORs and ADFs.
> Later I joined a flying club with three planes that all had dual
> VORs with DME and a ADF.
> Believe me I used them and I was good at it.
>
> At the time it was super. But the GPS offers so much more for less.
>
> At best a VOR will give you a radial off a point and maybe a
> distance if it has DME but Exactly where are you?
>
>
> The further you are from a VOR the worse it gets. A GPS gives you
> a graphic and says you are right here. I'm not saying just teach
> GPS also teach compass and clock (real navigation) for when the
> power goes out.
>
> When I was working in the computer field I had to drag slide rules
> and type writers out of peoples hands all the time. Some people are
> never comfortable with anything new. You wouldn't believe the
> battles to get some people to use E-Mail.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:40 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: One less hurdle
>
> >
> >
> > NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> It is so great that we have such talent in our group. Thanks for
> >> responding.
> >>
> >> The point I was trying to make is that there is so much to learn
> that to
> >> teach VORs and ADFs is really a waste. This equipment is
> expensive and
> >> inaccurate. No one in there right mind would even spend the
> money to >> repair
> >> one
> >> if it quit working when they could purchase a GPS for less money
> and get >> so
> >> much more. Its not just navigation accuracy its also the wealth of
> >> information at your fingertips. It would seem that pilot
> training should
> >> teach for the current and future not some antiquated equipment
> that >> should
> >> be phased out.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Don't mean to barge in on this thread but I don't really
> understand the > animosity towards VOR's that seems to have cropped
> up recently. It's > actually not "inaccurate", true it does take
> some skill to learn to use it > at first, but after that you really
> appreciate its simplicity and > reliability.
> >
> > The debate about GPS is contentious and has been going on for
> quite a > while now. The key point being whether to start using it
> as the _sole_ > means of navigation (rather than as just one means
> among several).
> >
> > That appears to be part of what's behind the effort to eliminate
> things > like VOR's. Just teach how to use a GPS and then no need
> to learn all this > other "outdated" technology.
> >
> > I may be kinda old-school, but I think that's a ridiculous (and
> dangerous) > idea for a variety of reasons that I won't go into
> here (unless we want a > GPS vs other navigation methods thread).
> >
> > In small planes like ours, of course, GPS tends to be a lot more
> > practical, for size and cost reasons usually. But truth is, if I
> could fit > a decent King VOR in my titan I'd do it in a heartbeat
> (the one in my A22 > barely works).
> >
> > Or heck, any of you guys throwing away your old VOR's, give it to
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| From: | "William and/or Justina Fyfe" <wjfyfe(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Who is going to be at Arlington? |
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| From: | <apilot(at)surewest.net> |
As I remember, there are 4 levels of learning. Rote, Insight, Perception and finally
Reflex. I am an old, old flight instructor who learned in a tail dragger.
One can learn with an instructor or one can learn without an instructor.
A rusty old pilot in a new plane maybe just as prone to accident as a novice.
I taxied my Kolb Mark III Classic for about 3 or more hours before I even lifted
the tail at high speed. After all, over 1000 hours of labor and $18,000
dollars of investment, gets ones attention. How would one know how much taxi
time is required before trying to crow hop? It is somewhere between Perception
and Reflex. The more that one does not want to wreck his airplane, the more
he will want to achieve accurate and quick reflexs. One other thing: If one
gets confident enough to leave the airport, DO NOT just go up and fly around.
Make a plan to fly somewhere and do it. Such as: 5 - 10 pattern flights in
a row without touching wheels to the ground. In othe
r!
words, get comfortable with the approach before trying a landing.
Have an eventless flight. Vic
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Who is going to be at Arlington? |
I will be there.
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
--- On Sat, 6/21/08, William and/or Justina Fyfe wrote:
> From: William and/or Justina Fyfe <wjfyfe(at)att.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Who is going to be at Arlington?
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 5:29 PM
>
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One less hurdle |
the ship-captain license still requires you to know the light code for
minesweepers! >>
Stick with it Russ. Our little turbanned friends might decide that
laying mines is simpler than flying airplanes into tall buildings.
Anything disappeared mysteriously in the Bermuda Triangle recently?
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter |
Edition 3.0
What altitude were you when you took this photo from your Kolb?>>
Good one John. I can`t claim to have taken this one. If I had my
attitude was likely to have been `Extremely anxious` As you probably
guessed this was a picture from a national daily newspaper.
Looking for crop circles at this time of the year is a local pastime.
Usually about a dozen appear although generally not so complicated as
this one Farmers tend to charge sightseers to walk around their fields
but in an ultralight it is all free. For some reason the area west of
my field, for about 20 miles is a favourite place for these things to
appear. It used to be also an area where UFO`s were reported.
One night a few years ago, at dusk Wendy and I had been viewing crop
circles from the Challenger. I knew that there was some sort of
multinational gathering of UFO spotters who were supposed to be keeping
a vigil all night from the local hills . It had got pretty dark and I
reckoned that I would be invisible to the UFO watchers even if they
heard me. We flew past the UFO gang just above their height, about
800ft agl and about a mile distance. As we came abeam Wendy fired off
her camera flash. Then we headed for home.
Sure enough the local paper had "Light in the sky mystifies UFO
watchers` that weekend.
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi,
someone on the list queried avgas prices over here. This from
todaysissue of FLYER.
Varying prices from =A31.34 + VAT to =A31.51 + VAT. That doesnt look
too bad until you realise that is PER LITRE. I am not surewhat the VAT
rate is. Generally it is 17.5% but there is a Fuel Tax and I do not
know if if that is included in th main body of the price or not.
Since the 1980`s the Fuel Tax for aircraft has been at 50% that of motor
fuel but that protection is due to be removed. Courtesy of the European
Union.
Current price for motor fuel is !.34 per litre for diesel and =A31.28
for normal unleaded.
I have started a collection of very strong rubber bands....
Cheers
Pat :-(
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| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
The last GA airplane I flew regularly, until 2004, had a VOR and an ADF. The VOR
worked most of the time and the ADF worked only when I could find an NDB still
in service, which was not all that often. The slow death of VOR and NDB is
a certainty because as the ground facilities become disabled or fail, the FAA
is no longer fixing them except those for which there is no reasonable alternative,
yet.
On May 19, 1967, I found myself a bit "mis-placed" on a night flight from Atlanta
to Opa-Locka, FL. I was talking to Opa-Locka Tower but in the MIA traffic pattern,
about 7 miles south of Opa-Locka. I'd never flown into either one before
even during day time. It did not take long for the controller to figure out
what had happened and I was vectored north with no further problems. If GPS had
been invented back then that slight "misplacement" would not have occurred.
If transponders had been required back then, it would not have occurred.
As soon as the Cessna 162 SkyCatchers become available, a friend who owns/operates
a local flight school wants me to do their SP instruction. The 162 will have
all glass Garmin G300 multifunction and primary flight displays sort of like
a junior version of the G1000. He now operates three 172s, all with Garmin Glass.
I've flown one of them once. It is a lot of new stuff to learn but once
I get a handle on it, there will be no going back, at least not in modern GA.
Just wait until the new ADS-B stuff becomes a requirement!
And yet, for pure joy of flying, simple is much better. Nothing like a Kolb for
that.... but I do like the EIS, compact reliable and accurate!
--------
Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching
for evidence which could support this.
- Bertrand Russell
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
I agree Vic. I don't go along with the advice some give about stalls
during the initial flight.
First get the feel of the aircraft during normal flight with shallow
easy turns. Check how
out of rig it is. The last thing I would want to do is an
unintentional spin in the plane I
had next to zero experience in. Stalls are highly over rated as a
familiarity exercise.
Go for that first one in ground effect.
BB
On 21, Jun 2008, at 10:32 PM, wrote:
>
> As I remember, there are 4 levels of learning. Rote, Insight,
> Perception and finally Reflex. I am an old, old flight instructor
> who learned in a tail dragger. One can learn with an instructor or
> one can learn without an instructor. A rusty old pilot in a new
> plane maybe just as prone to accident as a novice. I taxied my
> Kolb Mark III Classic for about 3 or more hours before I even
> lifted the tail at high speed. After all, over 1000 hours of labor
> and $18,000 dollars of investment, gets ones attention. How would
> one know how much taxi time is required before trying to crow hop?
> It is somewhere between Perception and Reflex. The more that one
> does not want to wreck his airplane, the more he will want to
> achieve accurate and quick reflexs. One other thing: If one gets
> confident enough to leave the airport, DO NOT just go up and fly
> around. Make a plan to fly somewhere and do it. Such as: 5 - 10
> pattern flights in a row without touching wheels to the ground. In
> othe
> r!
> words, get comfortable with the approach before trying a landing.
> Have an eventless flight. Vic
>
>
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
One other thing: If one gets confident enough to leave the airport, DO NOT
just go up and fly around. Make a plan to fly somewhere and do it. Such as:
5 - 10 pattern flights in a row without touching wheels to the ground. In othe
> r!
> words, get comfortable with the approach before trying a landing.
> Have an eventless flight. Vic
Hi Vic:
Good advice.
One does not have to land the first approach, as long as the engine is running.
Keep shooting approaches until it feels right or better.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
I don't go along with the advice some give about stalls
> during the initial flight.
> BB
Bob B:
Homer Kolb, back during the dark ages of the early 1980's, always gave this instruction
in the "How to fly your Kolb" section of the builders manual, "Climb
to at least 1,000 feet above the ground, check the stall speed."
I still agree with Homer's instructions from so long ago. How else will I know
what the stall speed is if I do not check it? In a Kolb, it is a no brainer.
From straight and level flight there is little or no chance of spinning a Kolb
during a stall. Once the stall is out of the way, then I am equipped to add
my margin and work on getting the Kolb back on the ground.
I always check the stall speed on any new Kolb I fly, and when flying passengers
of differing weight, I check stall with those passengers, especially the big'uns.
There are a lot of differences in ASI's. No matter how accurate or inaccurate,
it will always stall at the same indicated airspeed, unless the instrument is
inop or one is getting into accelerated stalls. However, in a first flight in
a Kolb, one would be hard pressed to get into an accelerated stall solo. I
used to fail, most of the time, demonstrating the MKIII in an accelerated stall.
Unless I was really loaded up, the old MKIII would not get into an accelerated
stall. When it did, it was an immediate recovery to relax the stick pressure
momentarily.
At Sun and Fun and Oskosh demonstrations are conducted less than 500 feet AGL.
This is plenty altitude for an experienced Kolb pilot to demonstrate the aircraft.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
---- "pj.ladd" wrote:
> Hi,
> someone on the list queried avgas prices over here. This from todaysissue of
FLYER.
Good Morning Patrick:
Pounds, liters, and VAT, do not mean a thing to 95% of your audience, especially
me. ;-)
Could you translate your fuel prices into gallons and dollars? or do you have the
same problem I have?
During my recent flight out West, I found av gas prices were not much more than
auto fuel prices, and diesel prices were more than av gas prices.
Putting a crimp in my flying, as well as my driving style.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
Any words of advice for adding a passenger to your Kolb Twinstar for the first
time (and what to expect)? I was told to gradually add weight (50lbs at a time
or so), but how to do that safely is another question.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189050#189050
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | re: William Sullivan accident |
Another trip to the hospital. I can only get to the computer now and then. I
had minor bruises, minor cuts (no stitches), a broken neck (one crack), broken
back (lumbar area- 2 or more cracks), and a broken pelvis (3 or 4 cracks). Pelvis
is not attached to spine- cracked and can't take ANY weight. I am going to
spend the next 12-16 weeks on the living room floor. The only danger is to my
neck, as the cracked vertabrae can pinch or rupture an artery. My butt hurts.
At least I wasn't seriously injured, but I do have to wear a cervical collar
all the time, and a body brace when I am up in the wheel chair. I still haven't
read the mail- can't stay up long enough.
Later
Bill Sullivan
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
>On my second Solo XC I land at a little dirt strip so to find out where I
>was...BUT I wouldn't havelanded had they painted the name in the Dirt ...
Mark,
I was taught to circle a town water tower. At that time most had the town
name painted on them.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "VICTOR PETERS" <vicsv(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
All
Why not just get a backup GPS
Vic
N740VP
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| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Cristal, I have done this 2 times.Start with Bags of something, sand, grain,
something clean too. I`d start with about 75 or100 lbs, 50 will be hardly
noticeable.Take off after MAKING SURE that the strapped in weight CANNOT
move.The last thing you want is the weight to shift duiring movement & lock
up a flight control.Then go up as all have suggested & do the stalls to see
what airspeed they occurred at, & write them down.Gradually build up to the
weight you`re comfortable hauling.Say maybe 125, then 150, & so on. Know how
it will handle before you take Live passengers!. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:38 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
>
>
> Any words of advice for adding a passenger to your Kolb Twinstar for the
> first time (and what to expect)? I was told to gradually add weight
> (50lbs at a time or so), but how to do that safely is another question.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Mark II Twinstar
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189050#189050
>
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| From: | "Lee/Cannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net> |
Hello Kolb group - my name is Rob Cannon. I am rebuilding a Twinstar
mark 2 , including installing the HKS engine on it. My plane has
flaperons, which I dont believe are original, and am cosidering
removing. I am looking for build plans for the twinstar, or a photo of
the original aileron bell crank bit that attaches to the root tube. If
anyone has any comments on flaperons on a Kolb, I'd love to hear them.
If anyone has I any questions about the HKS install, I'd be happy to
answer them. cheers, Rob Cannon Salt Spring Island BC Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Jack
Good Tip, but dont the locals get upset using those things for Race Pylons 8
-)
Back home in CA were I got lost we use to joke about flying low enough to re
ad =C2-
Free way signs hahaha
Today I use a compass =C2-most flights and the GPS as my confirmation...
=C2-
BTW =C2-I have family in Winchester and Nabb IN..
Know any Vaughns or Johnsons =C2-down there?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack B. Hart <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:52 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
>On my second Solo XC I land at a little dirt strip so to find out where I
>was...BUT I wouldn't have=C2-landed had they painted the name in the Dirt
...
Mark,
I was taught to circle a town water tower. At that time most had the town
name painted on them.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Cristal
Good advise. One more thing to take into consideration is that sand or what
ever you strap down (if you put it in the seat) will not give you the
forward CG loading that a person would give you. It's surprising how heavy
legs are.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
>
> Cristal, I have done this 2 times.Start with Bags of something, sand,
> grain, something clean too. I`d start with about 75 or100 lbs, 50 will be
> hardly noticeable.Take off after MAKING SURE that the strapped in weight
> CANNOT move.The last thing you want is the weight to shift duiring
> movement & lock up a flight control.Then go up as all have suggested & do
> the stalls to see what airspeed they occurred at, & write them
> down.Gradually build up to the weight you`re comfortable hauling.Say maybe
> 125, then 150, & so on. Know how it will handle before you take Live
> passengers!. Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:38 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
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>> Cristal Waters
>> Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
John,
Math was never my strong subject but this is the way it works, I think
1 is worth $1.97
3.78litres to US Gall.
Price here about 1.20 per litre (and over)
Say $2.364 per litre.
$2.364 multiplied by 3.78 =$8.93
Roughly 9 bucks a gallon to you.
Hope that is right.
By the way. VAT ( the French call it TVA, but then they would) stands for
Value Added Tax. Each country in Europe fixes their own rate and usually
some exemptions. Here food is VAT rated Zero. but the idea is that all
countries should become the same eventually. On the other hand there are no
State or local taxes..
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: re: William Sullivan accident |
Another trip to the hospital.>>
Hard luck Bill,
I think everyone had gathered from the first reports that you had got
away with it scot free. Very sorry to learn that is not so. Nothing
anyone can do except to wish you well.
Keep up with the list and let us know how you are progressing.
Cheers and best wishes
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
how to do that safely is another question.>>
No problem Cristal,
get a large plastic tank.tie it firmly in the passenger seat. Use the
seatbelts plus as many bungee`s as you need to fix it IMMOVABLY. You do not
want it falling onto the stick when you put your nose down on the approach
Put some water in the tank in gradually increasing amounts. You can fill it
in situ with a hose which will save you having to lug a heavy tank around.
10 gallons is a heavy load to lift and manouvre into place and you will need
more than that
A plastic tank is also clean and will not mess up the upholstery. Sand is
dirty and awkward. Don`t use it.
Good luck
Pat.
.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> Roughly 9 bucks a gallon to you.
>
> Pat
Thanks, Patrick:
Good explanation.
Makes a lot more sense to me now.
That is a lot more than I paid for 87 oct this morning, $3.76 a gal.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
My passenger seat is very small...smaller than the Mark III. If I use a container
filled with water it would have to be a very tall, skinny container (10lbs
of water is only 80 lbs) and I can't picture being able to keep 150 lbs of bags
of sand in that tiny seat without it shifting somewhere where I wouldn't want
it to go even if I strap it in good. If I put the sand in a container, again
it would have to be a very tall, skinny container and I don't know how much
weight that would add (anyone know how much weight is in a cubic foot of sand?).
Someone else suggested to me to gradually add weights (like the kind you have on
the end of a dumbbell) in a bag and strap that down, but someone else thought
it would be dangerous...that it couldn't be secured properly.
Is there more danger in trying to add weight like this (and as mentioned the possibility
of it shifting) or simply adding a real person (not a fat kid :), but
a fellow experienced pilot)?
Are there any other differences to be aware of besides a longer takeoff (we have
a 6000ft runway here which should be way more than enough since I barely use
any of it when I'm by myself) and a faster approach on landing (adding the 10-15mph
to the new stall speed)? assuming still air
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189102#189102
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
>
Cristal,
You can purchase sand in 25 pound plastic bags. Does not cost very much and
it is easy to load/unload and fairly clean and easy to secure in the seat.
If you are worried about it shifting, purchase some light ratchet strap type
mechanisms that are used to hold odd shaped loads in pickups etc. They are
very inexpensive and can be used for all sorts of things.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
> My passenger seat is very small...smaller than the Mark III. >
> --------
> Cristal Waters
Cristal:
Been a long time since I flew my first passenger in a MKIII. I don't recall
hauling sand or water prior to putting a RLP (real live person) in the
passenger seat.
I think it is absolutely normal for a new pilot to want to fly a passenger
as soon as they get their credentials to do so. We want to share the love
of our experiences in the air and show folks we can really fly an airplane,
all by ourselves.
I was that way.
As a much older, more experienced Kolb pilot, who has hauled many, many
passengers, over the years, I think I have a little different attitude now
about getting an innocent passenger up in my little Kolb as quickly as
possible after getting licensed. I think if I had to do it over again, I
would build some good flight time, gain a lot of experience, and prepare
myself to make that first passenger carrying flight and all those that
follow as safe as possible, insuring I get myself and my passenger home
safely.
When you are ready to take up your first passenger, you should have more
than enough runway, 6,000 feet, to be able to feel out your airplane which
will change quite a bit after putting a passenger in the other seat. In the
MKIII there is a need for much more nose up trim than when flying solo. In
addition, the aircraft will not respond as quickly and the increased stall
speed will be the primary differences in flying solo and dual. I have never
flown a MKII, so can not help you in that respect.
Personally, I would not want anything in the passenger seat, unless it was a
passenger, especially not water and sand.
The last thing I would ever want to do is injure or kill a passenger (or
myself).
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
knowvne(at)aol.com:
Was wondering how much flight experience you base your opinion on?
Do you do a lot of cross country flying?
BTW would be nice if we knew who we were talking with, what you are flying
or building, and where you live. Not much fun talking to an email address
we know nothing about.
In addition to pilotage and dead reckoning, I am assuming you also use a se
ctional to navigate.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
titus, al
----- Original Message -----
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
IMO
Knowing how to deadrecon with a compass and clock
is the way all XC flights should be conducted...
The GPS should be viewed as a confirmation device to
preflight planning ....
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
On Jun 22, 2008, at 3:59 PM, cristalclear13 wrote:
> Are there any other differences to be aware of besides a longer
> takeoff (we have a 6000ft runway here which should be way more than
> enough since I barely use any of it when I'm by myself) and a faster
> approach on landing (adding the 10-15mph to the new stall speed)?
> assuming still air
Cristal,
I believe John Hauck has given you the best advise yet.
Your comment above shows a good grasp of the requirements for hauling
extra weight. But please be aware that the Mark II was found to have
marginal elevator authority for two normal sized adults compared with
the Mark III which was give significantly larger tail feathers.
With two aboard in a Mark II it is very important for you to discover
"at altitude" your minimum safe speed that still provides adequate
nose up elevator authority.
I consider the Mark II a 1.75 place airplane, not a 2 place airplane.
My opinion only.
With proper awareness it can be done safely, but please be careful.
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: HKS Twinstar |
| From: | "robcannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net> |
I am considering removing the flaperon system for two reasons. After installing
the hks, custom fuel tanks, electric fuel pumps, etc. the twinstar has gained
a few pounds. I am using 750 lbs. as the gross and it is up to 460 empty. hmmmmmmmmmm.
As the present flaperon system is poorly built, and I am looking
for ways to shed weight. Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Bill's Accident |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Thats good to hear Ed, from the last post it sounded like you guys were ready
to pack up and leave. Its nothing short of unjust and hypocritical that the
county would want to close an ultralight strip at the first accident, if that
was the standard every recreational activity in the US would have to be closed
down. There have been accidents in the past where I fly, and there will be
more, Accidents happen, in any sport... I hope William has a speedy recovery
and gets in the air. It really suck to go through that he has and never get
to fly !
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
The biggest change I feel in my MK III with a passenger is the elevator authority.
I heaviest passenger I have taken up is 210 pounds, and thats my limit.
With the 912-S, the plane has more than enough power to fly a heavier load, but
I feel that I would not have enough up elevator authority with a heavier passenger.
John H's advice about having a very long runway is good, if you want
to fly someone, have them drive to an airport with a long runway and fly them
from there until you see how your plane will perform. Also keep your speed
up on approach, which is good technique weather alone or with someone. Also if
you have a smaller engine, be ready for and do a much shallower climb, you will
be surprised how much the extra weight slows down your climb. You will see
your climb angle more like a heavy loaded Cessna rather than the normal steep
climb of an ultralight.
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Hi John
Iv' e been flying since 1979 .. Soloed in a Acrobat C-150....=C2-
The =C2-Compass VOR, =C2-ADF, and YES the Sectional=C2-was the only wa
y to fly....
At least until 88 when I took up HangGliding 8-)
120 GA hours - Longest XC 500 miles
2000 hours Plus in=C2-HangGliders - =C2-longest XC 81 miles....=C2-Lot
s of trees up here 8-(
5 hours in sail planes - Just around the patch and some thermal and ridge so
aring...
10 hours in Trikes - maybe 2 hours of XC all dead reckoning =C2-( my new l
ove )
Also Two Static Line Parachute jumps... =C2- 3000 ft straight down...
That was enough hahaha 8-)
I suppose the faster you fly the more helpful the GPS can be to helping you
stay
Well ahead of what your flying.... =C2-But it seems to me THATS all the mo
re reason
to know how to use the compass and dead reckon if the thing Fails... At 250
kts
imagine how little time would need to pass for you to be WAY off course....
Today the way I fly I like to enjoy the Roses=C2-as I pass over them....
=C2-In=C2-HGs I rarely reached 60 kts =C2-usually teens to 30s ( airsp
eed)..
In Trikes its about the same for Kolbs=C2-50 to 60 is about average...
The GPS is a great tool for quickly figureing fuel requirements once your in
the air...
It can tell you pretty quickly how close you are to your preflight=C2-=C2
-estimate ..
No more do we have to pass a couple predetermined checkpoints and watch the
clock
to know how close we are...
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
knowvne(at)aol.com:
=C2-
Was wondering how much flight experience you base
your opinion on?
=C2-
Do you do a lot of cross country
flying?
=C2-
BTW would be nice if we knew who we were talking
with, what you are flying or building, and where you live.=C2- Not much fu
n
talking to an email address we know nothing about.
=C2-
In addition to pilotage and dead reckoning, I am
assuming you also use a sectional to navigate.
=C2-
Take care,
=C2-
john h
mkIII
titus, al
----- Original Message -----
From:
knowvne(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out
Dated Stuff
=C2-
IMO =C2-
Knowing how to deadrecon with a compass and clock=C2-
is the way all XC flights should be conducted...=C2-
The GPS should be viewed=C2-as a confirmation=C2-device to
preflight planning .... =C2- =C2-
=C2-
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Mark:
That's very interesting.
Unless I missed it, you didn't tell us where you were from, what you are bu
ilding or flying, and who you are.
You can quickly figure fuel with an E6B, along with a lot of other valuable
info. Do you use an E6B?
I also learned to fly cross country by pilotage and dead reckoning. Flew t
hat way through most of my Army career, and until 1993, when I got my first
GPS. I have a few more cross country hours than you do over the last 40 y
ears and use my GPS for my primary nav instrument. It is a very important
instrument, very reliable, improving my flight safety many times over my ba
ck up of pilotage and dead reckoning. Once in a while I will hit a dead sp
ot where no GPS signal can be obtained. Usually lasts for 20 or 30 miles.
That has only happened 3 or 4 times in the last 2,500+ hours of flying. I
have flown with GPS all over CONUS, Canada, and Alaska. Would not leave h
ome without it.
Recommend you get a GPS, use it and discover the many tasks it can perform
for you. You will be amazed.
Right off the top of my head, I think knowing what your ground speed is at
all times is a function that is impossible to obtain constantly using pilot
age and dead reckoning. Another is sunset at your destination, how long it
will take to get there and how much fuel it will take. Nearest airports h
ave saved my buns many times on cross country flights. John W and I used t
hat feature many times during our last cross country flight out West. We e
ncountered several thunderstorms, and many days of high winds, and periods
of reduced visibility. Finding fuel and a safe landing area was quick and
at our finger tips at all times.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
----- Original Message -----
From: knowvne(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
Hi John
Iv' e been flying since 1979 .. Soloed in a Acrobat C-150....
The Compass VOR, ADF, and YES the Sectional was the only way to fly....
At least until 88 when I took up HangGliding 8-)
120 GA hours - Longest XC 500 miles
2000 hours Plus in HangGliders - longest XC 81 miles.... Lots of trees u
p here 8-(
5 hours in sail planes - Just around the patch and some thermal and ridge
soaring...
10 hours in Trikes - maybe 2 hours of XC all dead reckoning ( my new lov
e )
Also Two Static Line Parachute jumps... 3000 ft straight down...
That was enough hahaha 8-)
I suppose the faster you fly the more helpful the GPS can be to helping y
ou stay
Well ahead of what your flying.... But it seems to me THATS all the more
reason
to know how to use the compass and dead reckon if the thing Fails... At 2
50 kts
imagine how little time would need to pass for you to be WAY off course..
..
Today the way I fly I like to enjoy the Roses as I pass over them....
In HGs I rarely reached 60 kts usually teens to 30s ( airspeed)..
In Trikes its about the same for Kolbs 50 to 60 is about average...
The GPS is a great tool for quickly figureing fuel requirements once your
in the air...
It can tell you pretty quickly how close you are to your preflight estim
ate ..
No more do we have to pass a couple predetermined checkpoints and watch t
he clock
to know how close we are...
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
knowvne(at)aol.com:
Was wondering how much flight experience you base your opinion on?
Do you do a lot of cross country flying?
BTW would be nice if we knew who we were talking with, what you are flyin
g or building, and where you live. Not much fun talking to an email addres
s we know nothing about.
In addition to pilotage and dead reckoning, I am assuming you also use a
sectional to navigate.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
titus, al
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To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
IMO
Knowing how to deadrecon with a compass and clock
is the way all XC flights should be conducted...
The GPS should be viewed as a confirmation device to
preflight planning ....
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
Thanks for everyone's advice and input. I believe that even if I get my license
next month I'll wait until much cooler weather before even thinking about adding
another person (and in south Georgia sometimes it's very late in the year
before it really cools down). That will also give me more time to fly it on
my own. Perhaps I'll stick to renting the Cessna (for a while) if someone wants
to go up with me.
--------
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Mark II Twinstar
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Hi John
Sorry about that..=C2-
I'm up =C2-here in New England... Not building much of anything these days
..
Maybe a Few RCs now and then... Rather spend my limited free=C2-time flyin
g instead of building...
Although I would love to build a Carbon Dragon Sail Plane like a buddy of mi
ne has..
It has a Sink Rate of 98 ft per =C2-min.. That give you the potential of s
oaring all day 8-) =C2-
Finding 100 fpm lift is very common on a good soaring day.... =C2-Great GA
S Mileage 8-)
I do own and use a GPS =C2-a garmin 76CS and a Etrex Legend. I =C2-didn'
t mean to imply=C2-
I don't use them.. I just don't rely on it for my primary=C2-NAV tool.....
If it fails so what I was using the compass and dead reckoning anyway....
=C2-I fly the compass and look out front=C2-
picking=C2-way points to head for... =C2-When I get there I'll look at t
he GPS to confirm how close=C2-
I=C2-am to its course line... =C2-It quickly confirms how well I'm doing
..=C2-
GPS is my back up tool to confirm what I already know.. =C2-Like I said re
al time GS is what=C2-
I like most=C2-about them.. =C2-Makes figuring=C2-fuel needs quick and
simple..
BTW=C2-
was in AK last Aug.. Would have loved to got some air time over some of thos
e Glaciers
we hike on.... =C2-8-)
Mark
Mark:
=C2-
That's very interesting.
=C2-
Unless I missed it, you didn't tell us where you were from, what you are bui
lding or flying, and who you are.=C2-
You can quickly figure fuel with an E6B, along with
a lot of other valuable info.=C2- Do you use an E6B?
Yea I own the Circular Slide Rule.. No battery powered version there either.
. 8-)
=C2-
I also learned to fly cross country by pilotage and
dead reckoning.=C2- Flew that way through most of my Army career, and unti
l
1993, when I got my first GPS.=C2-=C2-
I have a few more cross country hours than
you do over the last 40 years and use my GPS for my primary nav
instrument.
It is a very important instrument, very reliable, improving my
flight safety many times over my back up of pilotage and dead reckoning.
=C2-
Once in a while I will hit a dead spot where no GPS signal can be
obtained.=C2- Usually lasts for 20 or 30 miles.=C2- That has only happen
ed 3
or 4 times in the last 2,500+ hours of flying.
=C2-=C2-
I have flown with GPS all
over CONUS, Canada, and Alaska.=C2- Would not leave home without
it.
=C2-
Recommend you get a GPS, use it and discover the
many tasks it can perform for you.=C2- You will be amazed.
=C2-
Right off the top of my head, I think knowing what
your ground speed is at all times is a function that is impossible to obtain
constantly using pilotage and dead reckoning.=C2- Another is sunset at you
r
destination, how long it will take to get there and how much fuel it will
take.=C2- Nearest airports have saved my buns many times on cross country
flights.=C2- John W and I used that feature many times during our last cro
ss
country flight out West.=C2- We encountered several thunderstorms, and man
y
days of high winds, and periods of reduced visibility.=C2- Finding fuel an
d a
safe landing area was quick and at our finger tips at all times.
=C2-
Take care,
=C2-
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From:
knowvne(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out
Dated Stuff
Hi John
Iv' e been flying since 1979 .. Soloed in a Acrobat C-150....=C2-
The =C2-Compass VOR, =C2-ADF, and YES the Sectional=C2-was the only
way to fly....
At least until 88 when I took up HangGliding 8-)
120 GA hours - Longest XC 500 miles
2000 hours Plus in=C2-HangGliders - =C2-longest XC 81
miles....=C2-Lots of trees up here 8-(
5 hours in sail planes - Just around the patch and some thermal and ridge
soaring...
10 hours in Trikes - maybe 2 hours of XC all dead reckoning =C2-( my
new love )
Also Two Static Line Parachute jumps... =C2- 3000 ft straight
down...
That was enough hahaha 8-)
I suppose the faster you fly the more helpful the GPS can be to helping
you stay
Well ahead of what your flying.... =C2-But it seems to me THATS all the
more reason
to know how to use the compass and dead reckon if the thing Fails... At
250 kts
imagine how little time would need to pass for you to be WAY off
course.....
Today the way I fly I like to enjoy the Roses=C2-as I pass over
them....
=C2-In=C2-HGs I rarely reached 60 kts =C2-usually teens to 30s (
airspeed)..
In Trikes its about the same for Kolbs=C2-50 to 60 is about
average...
The GPS is a great tool for quickly figureing fuel requirements once your
in the air...
It can tell you pretty quickly how close you are to your
preflight=C2-=C2-estimate ..
No more do we have to pass a couple predetermined checkpoints and watch
the clock
to know how close we are...
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck
Sent: Sun, 22
Jun 2008 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated
Stuff
knowvne(at)aol.com:
=C2-
Was wondering how much flight experience you base
your opinion on?
=C2-
Do you do a lot of cross country
flying?
=C2-
BTW would be nice if we knew who we were talking
with, what you are flying or building, and where you live.=C2- Not much
fun
talking to an email address we know nothing about.
=C2-
In addition to pilotage and dead reckoning, I am
assuming you also use a sectional to navigate.
=C2-
Take care,
=C2-
john h
mkIII
titus, al
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From:
knowvne(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:40
PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach
Out Dated Stuff
=C2-
IMO =C2-
Knowing how to deadrecon with a compass and clock=C2-
is the way all XC flights should be conducted...=C2-
The GPS should be viewed=C2-as a confirmation=C2-device to
preflight planning .... =C2- =C2-
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| From: | "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Would it not be a lot simpler to just do a checkflight with your instructor
. That way you get the fell of the plane with a whole lot of experiance
sitting beside you. When I first flew the MK111 ,I did so with a instructor
and all he got me to do was some basic steep turns ,figger 8s, stalls, power
on ,power off and about 3 take offs / landings then away I went. I completed
about 5 hours solo before the first passanger flight.I had about 150hrs
ultralight time before that and it was all tail dragger stuff. I have not
flown a Twinstar and do not want to put you wrong but I would be looking to
put some experiance in the passanger seat for that first flight if I had any
concerns at all
Tony
MK111
400 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
>
> Cristal, I have done this 2 times.Start with Bags of something, sand,
> grain, something clean too. I`d start with about 75 or100 lbs, 50 will be
> hardly noticeable.Take off after MAKING SURE that the strapped in weight
> CANNOT move.The last thing you want is the weight to shift duiring
> movement & lock up a flight control.Then go up as all have suggested & do
> the stalls to see what airspeed they occurred at, & write them
> down.Gradually build up to the weight you`re comfortable hauling.Say maybe
> 125, then 150, & so on. Know how it will handle before you take Live
> passengers!. Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:38 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
>
>
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>> Any words of advice for adding a passenger to your Kolb Twinstar for the
>> first time (and what to expect)? I was told to gradually add weight
>> (50lbs at a time or so), but how to do that safely is another question.
>>
>> --------
>> Cristal Waters
>> Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Nothing wrong with reading highway and other signs! -- I even carry
binoculars
do not archive
On Jun 22, 2008, at 12:19 PM, knowvne(at)aol.com wrote:
> Jack
> Good Tip, but dont the locals get upset using those things for Race
> Pylons 8-)
>
> Back home in CA were I got lost we use to joke about flying low
> enough to read
> Free way signs hahaha
> Today I use a compass most flights and the GPS as my confirmation...
>
>
> BTW I have family in Winchester and Nabb IN..
>
> Know any Vaughns or Johnsons down there?
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack B. Hart <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:52 am
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
>
>
>
>
> >On my second Solo XC I land at a little dirt strip so to find out
> where I
> >was...BUT I wouldn't have landed had they painted the name in the
> Dirt ...
>
> Mark,
>
> I was taught to circle a town water tower. At that time most had
> the town
> name painted on them.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
but the difference is
all the taxes, additives and extra refinements mandated by our
government that
causes us to pay more.>>
Same here Will, most of the price of fuel is now the tax which has been
increased steadily (stealthily) over the years.
The good side of all this is that the increasing price makes it
worthwhile to adopt, or invent, alternatives. The only thing that gets
those things going is economics. If there is a buck to be made someone
will be on the case.
Enjoy the price of fuel as it is. It will seem low in 5 years.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Nothing wrong with reading highway and other signs! -- I even carry
binoculars>>
Why not Russ? Here flying by following the railways used to be
standard practice. You just dropped a little lower to read the station
sign. Locally, I often follow the pub signs as I know where most of
them are.
My ex partner in the Eurostar is a railway buff. He knows where all the
old lines which are now dismantled used to run. While flying he will
point to a long straight field or a hedge an say `Thats where the old
Bath and Radstock line used to be` and pinpoint his position.
Talking of flying low. The No 1 Training School of the Royal Flying
Corps, before it became the Royal Air Force between the Wars, was on
Salisbury Plain. There was a serious proposal from the RFC that
Stonehenge ( all of 20ft high) be removed as a danger to flying.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
It has a Sink Rate of 98 ft per min.. That give you the potential of
soaring all day 8-)
Finding 100 fpm lift is very common on a good soaring day.... Great GAS
Mileage 8-)>>
Hi Mark,
it was a long time ago when I was in gliding but 98fpm doesn`t mean much
to me without the distance that you fly in that time. I learned to fly
in a stick and string glider that would fly in a straight line about 20
miles before it hit the ground from a mile high. When I finished
gliding I had a 19 metre plastic beast that would do over 40 miles from
a mile high, and at nearly twice the speed.
The way to go is a motor glider. Makes you independent of launching
facilities, gets you home when the day goes flat and is so slipery that
it gives cross country MPG undreamed of in any other machine.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
(anyone know how much weight is in a cubic foot of sand?).>>
Hi Cristal,
Your friendly local building materials supplier will probably have sand in
clean prepacked plastic bags, sold by weight.. Beware as plastic bags are
slippery and will be difficult to secure.
<> That is the best option, but
make it an experience ultrlight pilot, preferably Kolb
<>
Sounds about right. You could land a B-17 on 6000 feet
I am in a similar position to you with only a few hours, and landings in an
Xtra. I have a committment to fly someone in the village as he bought a
flight in an ultralight which I put up for sale in an `Auction of Promises`
fund raiser around last Christmas. He paid around $120 for the flight but I
am not going to fly him until I feel a bit happier at the prospect. It will
be a late evening , non thermic flight with a gentle cruise around for an
hour and hopefully an equally gentle landing. I know that the guys wife is
having conniptions at the thought of her beloved husband being up in the sky
in `that flying motorbike`.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
Crystal,
Did you have any dual instruction in your twinstar? If you did not, how did you
solo it with out any instruction in it?
We have plans for me to solo the next time I go fly. Probably in 2 weeks. I have
a concern now. I have a Mark III with a 503. My instructor and I have been using
my plane for training. He test flew the plane for me prior to the lessons.
Now what should I expect flying the plane solo? The W/B says the pilot weight
should be a minimum of 195#. I weight 150#. So I need at least 45# ballast to
fly solo. So with the proper ballast the plane will be 120# lighter with out
my instructor in it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189249#189249
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
| From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
I'm not recommending any option but if it was me I would prefer the water barrel.
I'd have a valve on it so I could let the water out if I wound up in an unstable
or dangerous condition due to the extra weight.
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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| From: | gary aman <gaman(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Cristal,
One addition to the answers on passengers.The Mark has a high thrust line,and
when you add weight and full power, be prepared for the tail to come up and the
nose to push over immediately.Bring the trim adjustment about halfway up for
passengers near 150# and keep the stick back firmly until the mains lift,then
slowly reduce back pressure to maintain the climb speed and rate you need.Even
the ladies will give you accurate answers when you ask about weight,a fact
that surprised me at first!It won't take long before you know how much trim to
add for their weight.The mark lands easier but faster when it's heavier.
Enjoy your Kolb,G Aman MK-3C
2200 Jabiru 320hrs -- Original Message ----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:51:05 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
(anyone know how much weight is in a cubic foot of sand?).>>
Hi Cristal,
Your friendly local building materials supplier will probably have sand in
clean prepacked plastic bags, sold by weight.. Beware as plastic bags are
slippery and will be difficult to secure.
<> That is the best option, but
make it an experience ultrlight pilot, preferably Kolb
<>
Sounds about right. You could land a B-17 on 6000 feet
I am in a similar position to you with only a few hours, and landings in an
Xtra. I have a committment to fly someone in the village as he bought a
flight in an ultralight which I put up for sale in an `Auction of Promises`
fund raiser around last Christmas. He paid around $120 for the flight but I
am not going to fly him until I feel a bit happier at the prospect. It will
be a late evening , non thermic flight with a gentle cruise around for an
hour and hopefully an equally gentle landing. I know that the guys wife is
having conniptions at the thought of her beloved husband being up in the sky
in `that flying motorbike`.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
>
Cristal,
You can purchase sand in 25 pound plastic bags. Does not cost very much and
it is easy to load/unload and fairly clean and easy to secure in the seat.
If you are worried about it shifting, purchase some light ratchet strap type
mechanisms that are used to hold odd shaped loads in pickups etc. They are
very inexpensive and can be used for all sorts of things.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
...............................
Cristal,
I failed to mention you do not have to put a full persons weight in the seat
on the first flight. I am a great believer in taking incremental small
steps as it prevents unwarranted surprises. Start out with 25 pounds in the
seat, and add another on each succeeding flight. This will let you fly out
of your normal strip and let you know if you should move to a longer strip
for flying a passenger. You end up finding out what you want to know, but
at lower risk, and more flights before you take up your first passenger.
At each weight increase climb to altitude and check out your stall speed.
If you are running out of back stick to lift the nose, you know what the
maximum weight is that you can safely fly in the passenger seat.
Fly safe.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
George Alexander!
pls contact me offlist
thanx
do not archive
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| From: | "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Information on Mark III and Kolbra |
WILLIAM, SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS , I WILL SEND YOU INFO. THANKS DONNIE.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William and/or Justina Fyfe" <wjfyfe(at)att.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 7:06 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Information on Mark III and Kolbra
>
>
>
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
I used 40 lb salt bags. -two at first, then three which was more
than my first passenger.
I strapped them in well, positioned to roughly reproduce a passenger.
I recommend the method as it gives you the assurance of no surprises.
The bags were "free" because I have a water softener.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
Scottsville,NY
On 23, Jun 2008, at 1:44 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>
> Cristal,
>
> You can purchase sand in 25 pound plastic bags. Does not cost very
> much and
> it is easy to load/unload and fairly clean and easy to secure in
> the seat.
> If you are worried about it shifting, purchase some light ratchet
> strap type
> mechanisms that are used to hold odd shaped loads in pickups etc.
> They are
> very inexpensive and can be used for all sorts of things.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
> ...............................
>
> Cristal,
>
> I failed to mention you do not have to put a full persons weight in
> the seat
> on the first flight. I am a great believer in taking incremental
> small
> steps as it prevents unwarranted surprises. Start out with 25
> pounds in the
> seat, and add another on each succeeding flight. This will let you
> fly out
> of your normal strip and let you know if you should move to a
> longer strip
> for flying a passenger. You end up finding out what you want to
> know, but
> at lower risk, and more flights before you take up your first
> passenger.
>
> At each weight increase climb to altitude and check out your stall
> speed.
> If you are running out of back stick to lift the nose, you know
> what the
> maximum weight is that you can safely fly in the passenger seat.
>
> Fly safe.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | William Sullivans Accident |
At 08:47 PM 6/19/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>For a FireFly with a 27 mph stall speed, it might be better to add a 20 mph
>margin...
In my US, which stalls at about the same speed, I fly final at 40-45
depending on conditions.
>Low inertia should/will allow quick acceleration if and only if you slam the
>stick forward to get out of the stall immediately and return to flying. If
>you don't do this you are in a high drag configuration with a high rate of
>deceleration and loosing altitude rapidly.
Actually, no. Low inertia means quick acceleration from power added, but
not from gravity. The lower weight of the plane means less potential
energy, too. A heavy object and a light one fall at the same rate, as
Galileo proved some 400 years ago.
-Dana
--
When I was young I was told that anyone could be President. I'm beginning
to believe it.
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | William Sullivans Accident |
>
>
>Actually, no. Low inertia means quick acceleration from power added, but
>not from gravity. The lower weight of the plane means less potential
>energy, too. A heavy object and a light one fall at the same rate, as
>Galileo proved some 400 years ago.
>
Dana,
In a departure stall, all the power has already been added. The only way
out of it is to move the stick forward.
Potential energy is a function of mass and height. If you want to fly at
equal potential energies, the FireFly will have to fly at greater
altitude.
You are right about Galileo where the assumption is made that the objects
have equal drag, but then again he was not dropping different models of
Kolb aircraft.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
Wow, I go off to work (yes, back to the grindstone) and come home to lots of advice
and even an ellery offer (um...no thx).
Waycross airport IS my normal airstrip, and I mentioned it had 6000ft to let you
guys know that I know I have PLENTY of room.
Grant, I don't think your instructor weighs that much either...when he flew it
did he add weight?
You asked about my signoff - that's a long story. I had to go to Tennessee to
find an instructor familiar with Kolb. We flew a Kolb but it wasn't my Mark II,
so that's why I haven't flown mine with someone in it. I know it'll carry
two good size people because when I bought it the man took me up in it. After
I bought it I started the process of getting the airworthiness certificate.
Couldn't fly it until that was completed and once that was completed there was
a five hour minimum solo flight restriction - couldn't even take up an instructor
with me. Couldn't find anyone locally willing to fly off the five hours
for me. And I couldn't solo my plane until someone signed me off to fly it.
An endless red-tape circle!
With Jim's help (to whom I am eternally grateful) I got signed off. I've flown
off the five hours. I'm close to getting my private certificate. And like John
said, I'm eager to take someone up with me. Not to show off, but to share
the joy of flying and the wonderful view. But as I hope you all can tell from
my questioning, I'm very safety conscience and I tend to follow rules closely
(thus the red-tape making me go in circles searching for a loop hole or way
to be able to fly my plane legally). I, like John, certainly don't want to do
anything to hurt anyone or myself. Everyone seems to have differing opinions
of what is safe.
On the Mark II there is a middle bar that leans over into the passenger's seat
making it only about 12 inches wide. If you're wider than that you have a bar
jabbing you in the hip. That doesn't leave much room to add bags of anything
or even a container. I mean...it's a small seat. For a quick flight around
the pattern (and going up high enough to find the new approach speed) is all I'd
probably take someone up for because any longer than that and they're going
to have a mighty sore hip.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
My uncle recently sent me this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4
Cut and paste it into the address bar on your internet browser.
I wish they had those available now in America!
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189485#189485
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| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Hi Mark,
It was a long time ago when I was in gliding but
98 fpm doesn`t mean much to me without the distance that you fly in that
time.
=C2-I learned to fly in a stick and string glider that would fly in a stra
ight line about 20 miles before it hit the ground from a mile high. When I
=C2- finished gliding I had a 19 metre plastic beast that would do over 40
miles from a mile high, and at nearly twice the speed.
=C2-
The way to go is a motor glider. Makes you independent of launching faciliti
es, gets you home when the day goes flat and is so slipery that it gives cro
ss country MPG undreamed of in any other machine.
=C2-
Cheers
=C2-
Pat
Pat=C2-
You seem to be in a Hurry to get someplace... 8-) Thats not the goal in the
Dragon... Its purpose is to soar...
Beleive me you WILL be looking up at steves Dragon while your packing up you
r motor glider... =C2-
He may have got there slower but as the sun sets he does get there and is st
ill in the air to prove it hahahaha
Below are some specs the Carbon Dragon was designed to meet or exceed .....
and here is a Web site of a Photo of me soaring beside Steve in his CarbonDr
agon
as well as some Pix of his bird..
http://www.sailplanehomebuilders.com/steve_arndt_cd.htm
Steves =C2-plane is modified and a bit lighter than the plans=C2-call fo
r so his sink rate reflects this...
But even a stock Carbon dragon is amazing to watch......=C2-
Steves Plane is also Super Clean just like a fast XC =C2-ship would be..
Pat=C2-
The purpose of a Carbon Dragon is to Exploit Micro LIft... Very Light Lift i
n very small pockets..
Also to take advantage of dynamic soaring conditions...
Climbing in Micro Lift =C2-is something the typical sailplane just can't d
o given its speed and =C2-turn
radus when thermalling..=C2-
A carbon dragon can easly =C2-orbit inside the bases of a base ball field.
. =C2-It has the same =C2-turn
radious as your Typical Flex wing Hangglider but Half the sink rate ....
=C2-
I often out climb sail planes in my Hangglider because Im able to turn alot
tighter and climb in=C2-
the Thermals core=C2-.. Steve also does this and with =C2-half my Sink r
ate so climbs much faster...
Spec: =C2-Required for exploiting microlift ... mostly from Gary Osoba
100 fpm Very low sink rate=C2-
=C2-25 mph Very low speed at above sink rate=C2-
Extremely small thermalling circle diameter (directly related to the speed s
quared ... v2)=C2-
=C2-26:1=C2-=C2-A decent glide ratio at a respectable speed ...
=C2-
Pat BTW =C2-
Todays top of the line Hangliders =C2-which we call RWs =C2-have the sam
e performance as your old stick and String Glider...
The =C2-difference is these gliders let you land on your feet in someones
back yard 8-) Oh and it fits on the Roof of your car..8-)
=C2-Mark
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| From: | "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)msbit.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
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>
> It doesn't just happen to Kolbers, Brother Kinne....one fine summer Sunday
> morning in 1955an Eastern Air Lines Martin 404 did that very thing at Bowman
> Field in Louisville.
And the USAF folks have have been remiss at times.....
Working the tower at Yokota AB Japan one day, and a C-5 inbound, Tachikawa AB
is about 3 1/2 miles southeast of Yokota. We hear a rather frantic Japanese
voice come up on guard channel, "Big-a bird on final, GO AWAY! GO AWAY!" If he
had gotten in, he wouldn't have been able to get out...3700 feet at Tachi vs
11,000 at Yokota.
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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| From: | "William and/or Justina Fyfe" <wjfyfe(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Text of my posts fail to show? Why? |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Text of my posts fail to show? Why? |
Try selecting "Plain-text Only" as a sending option in your email client. Looks
like your email client isn't following the MIME encoding rules correctly.
Matt Dralle
At 08:20 PM 6/23/2008 Monday, you wrote:
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "William and/or Justina Fyfe" <wjfyfe(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Text of my posts fail to show? Why? |
Thanks Matt. Let's see if this works?
Bill
Grants Pass, Oregon
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Hi Mark,
really interesting How is the dragon launched, cable or just leap off
a hill.?
Things have obviously moved on since I flew gliders. I had a 19mtre
span Jantar and only flirted with hang gliders for a short while. I
have always envied the hang gliders ability to stick the whole thing on
a car and travel to and from a gliding site.
Home built gliders are very few and far between in the UK. I dont know
anyone who has built one although there are some stirrings with a glider
to operate withinn the ultralight spec at the moment.
Looks as though the Dragon would be really fun. Provided you don`t want
to go anywhere. It seems to me that Hangliders and paragliders are
reinventing the wheel and doing everything that the the gliding movement
went through in the 30`s. First the flight sticking to hills, then the
venturing into thermals, then going from thermal to thermal to go cross
country. The perfect answer to those who think that gliding has got too
technical
Somewhere there is a Dagling in which I have a =C2=A35 share. I never
had the nerve to fly the thing. In my gliding club we launched it with a
winch cable once. I think that with 1000ft launch the Dagling landed
about 10 seconds after the cable end hit the ground.
Cheers
Pat
.
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| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
The W/B says the pilot weight should be a minimum of 195#. I weight 150#. So
I need at least 45# ballast to fly solo. So with the proper ballast the
plane will be 120# lighter with out my instructor in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you put say 10 or 15 lbs in the nose,,, would do as much or more than 45
lbs in the seat. Putting the weight in the nose will give it a much
greater moment arm.
And what should you expect..... take off will be only 2/3 as long and
much quicker acceleration. Climb will be faster. The roll trim may be
different. You will need less elevator trim... be prepared to be amazed.
Boyd Young
MKIIIC 912
225+ hours and counting.
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
He paid around $120 for the flight but I
am not going to fly him until I feel a bit happier at the prospect. >>
Hi Cristal,
I wrote the above only yesterday. Unfortunately yeterday evening was soo
perfect that I took the bull by the horns, rang the guy who bought the
flight and offered to fly him .
Introduced the guy to the plane, did a walk round with him.Explained what I
was doing and strapped him in. Fired up and taxied out.
Now, the farmer has cut my field and there is hay lying everywhere, drying.
The strip has been raked clear but not the taxyway. Taxied out very
gingerly through the hay and went right to the end of the strip. Unusual as
I usually use only a part of it.
Told the passenger what was going to happen. Got him to move his hip away
from the dual throttle. Move his feet away from the pedals, move his left
arm so that I could operate the flaps
Ran through my mental checklist Controls, ballast, straps, intsruments trim
Flaps... At this point I decided that I should check to see if I had picked
up a load of hay round the mains or the tailwheel. Mains clear, eased my
straps to look out of the door to check the tailwheel. All OK. Tightened
straps completed checklist with Canopy( left over from gliding days) it
means check doors now, and Brakes, keep feet clear.
Opened the throttle, tail up, speed building.... we should be in the air by
now. Thinks...nil wind.....perhaps the passenger is heavier than
expected...going like the clappers now....too late to stop...hedge coming
up....drag the stick back and she reluctantly took off.
She was flying OK but not climbing as expected. Speed was ok so I just kept
going pretending to the passenger that all was normal. Arrived some time
later at 1000 ft and throttled back and finally had time to think.
You have got there by now. Right! . I had forgotten to set the takeoff Flap.
Enough for one flight you might think. But.. Flew to our home village,
passenger happily taking pics, circuited over the village and then flew on
when I noticed that the oil temp was in the red and the oil pressure had
dropped.
Very calmly I announced that something wasn`t quite right and it would be
prudent to fly back. Eased throttle and began to lose height and arrived at
the strip about 10 minutes later.. Pressure was still low but the temp had
eased a bit. Made a reasonable circuit apart from having to fight the
passenger for the flap lever, it really is an abortion, and then I messed up
the landing.
Allowing for the extra weight I arrived over the hedge at about 70 instead
of 60.In nil wind that was close to the ground speed. We whistled in. The
touchdown itself was a greaser but we took up about three quarters of the
strip wheras I am usually down in less than half. The passenger of course
thought this was quite normal.
Just to put the lid on everything. When I taxied in I found that the rear of
the plane was covered in oil Yuck. Engine frame, prop, fuselage, tail
feathers. It seems that when I changed the oil a couple of days ago I over
filled it, I hadn`t done an oil change before. and the excess had blown out
of the breather tube.
Luckily while I was cleaning up a couple of mates landed in a Jabiru and
kindly took my passenger off fora flight.
Over a beer later I was happy to hear my passenger say that although the
Jabiru was comfortable and quiet he preferred the Kolb beause of the
visibility.
If it can go wrong it will. All reminds me of a cartoon in a RAF
iinstructional magazine during the war. A whole bomber crew arriving at the
Pearly Gates saying "We forgot the checklist"
Today luckily has been quite nice weather and I have spent the day cleaning
oil from everything and arranging a bottle and a piece of hose for the blow
tube to lead into. Looking forward to checking the oil temp and pressure on
the next flight.
cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> I took the bull by the horns, rang the guy who bought the
> flight and offered to fly him .
>
> Pat
Pat, Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm glad you and your passenger made
it safely home.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
Patrick/Mark:
Don't ya think you all are getting a bit far from Kolb related subject matt
er?
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
----- Original Message -----
From: pj.ladd
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
Hi Mark,
really interesting How is the dragon launched, cable or just leap off
a hill.?
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| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Hi Mark,
really interesting=C2-=C2- How is the dragon
launched, cable or just leap off=C2- a hill.?
Hi Pat
The Dragon Kit is designed with Bomb Bay Doors below the cockpit so you coul
d foot launch it if you wanted to
but Steve built his with a floor..Its so light that an Ultralite can tow it.
.. =C2-He's also =C2-launched it a few times
by a Car tow..
Things have obviously =C2-moved on=C2- since I
flew gliders. I had a 19mtre span Jantar and only flirted with hang gliders
for
a short while. =C2-
I have always envied the hang gliders ability to stick the
whole thing on a car and travel to and from a gliding site.
Pat
They have indeed......=C2-
Today we even have sailplanes that are Electric powered using a Folding boom
=C2-that comes up behind the cockpit..=C2-
The Apis Sail plane I believe even gives you the ability to recharge the Bat
tery in flight by=C2-Simply raising the boom and letting the
Prop wind mill as you ridge soar or climb out in that =C2-Ripper to cloud
base.. 8-)
Now THAT sounds like the perfect Air toy if you can afford one.. 8-)
And yes HangGliders have greatly evolved as well in the past 20 years I've b
een flying them.....10:1 to 20:1 Alum Tubes to
carbon fiber spars .. =C2-Transporting them to various sites =C2-is a bi
g plus=C2-and in fact around the world is possible...
Ive flown in Sydney, AU and Hawaii ... Fun Flying Vac....
Also some gliders can now be short packed =C2-to 8 ft.. This does require
some Extra assembly once your ready
to set her up but its very portable and great for traveling...=C2-
=C2-
Home built gliders are very few and far between in
the UK. I don't know anyone who has built one although there are some stirri
ngs
with a glider to operate within the ultralight spec at the moment.
Pat=C2-
I=C2-believe there is at least ONE Carbon Dragon on =C2-your side of the
pond... I thought I read some place about one being built
=C2-over there...
=C2-
Looks as though the Dragon would be really fun.
Provided you don`t want to go anywhere. =C2-
Well they fit in a trailer just like the Race=C2-ships do =C2-so you can
GO XC and land out.. Your slow enough that your Chace crew easily keep unde
r you as you go.... Its nice sometimes to have some eyes on the surface conf
irming Wind Direction and slope of chosen LZ 8-)
It seems to me that Hangliders and
paragliders are reinventing the wheel and doing everything that the the glid
ing
movement went through in the 30`s. First the flight sticking to hills, then
the
venturing into thermals, then=C2- going from thermal to thermal to go cros
s
country.=C2-
The fun thing about HangGliding is you often never know where you'll land...
=C2-And when you do you meet some amazed people just full=C2-of Question
s...=C2-
They're shocked to learn you just flew 100 miles in a KITE hahahaha ...
BTW =C2-I believe the Open Record is 450 miles=C2-and to a Declared Goal
just under 400miles..... =C2- =C2- =C2-
My longest is only 81 but have many 50 to 70 mile flights We have Oceans of
trees =C2-here that we have cross over
So Distance can be a reall challenge for us... I think our Area REcord is 12
5
Mark
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
I took the bull by the horns, rang the guy who bought the
> flight and offered to fly him .
>
> Pat
Patrick:
"Taking the bull by the horns is a good way to get gored."
Glad you did not kill or injure your innocent passenger.
Over the years I have been flying Kolbs, I have made it a hard and fast rule
to test fly the airplane solo before I put an innocent passenger in the
other seat. Do that every day I fly passengers to insujre it is good to go.
If I discover there is something not normal about the airplane, or me, after
I am airborne, then it is only me and the Kolb that have to deal with the
problem.
In the US, if we build our Kolbs to be "homebuilt/experimental category",
normally, we must fly off a 40 hour test period, solo. We are not legally
authorized to fly a passenger until we have flown off our test time. This
gives the pilot a lot of time to get to know his airplane before he attempts
to fly with a passenger.
High engine oil temp and low oil pressure is a pretty good indication of an
impending engine failure. But you know all that, of course.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
Hi John
Yes I concede=C2-8-) =C2-
Mark
I love the KOLB in fact I came this close =C2-l<--->l =C2- to buying one
BUT the need for such a LONG trailer
to store and transport it to flying sites I want to some day visit is what d
eters me....
That is a nice advantage the Trike has over Fix wings... Very Portable....
=C2-
And thats probably Why they cost so damn much=C2-for what you get... 8-(
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 4:55 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent!
Patrick/Mark:
=C2-
Don't ya think you all are getting=C2-a bit
far=C2-from Kolb related subject matter?
=C2-
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
=C2-
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From:
pj.ladd
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:19
PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out
Dated Stuff
Hi Mark,
really interesting=C2-=C2- How is the dragon
launched, cable or just leap off=C2- a hill.?
=C2-
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
Mark:
Most of us, on the Kolb List, have already made the decision to build and f
ly Kolbs. I've been doing just that for many, many years and flight hours.
I, personally, am not interested in trikes, hang gliders, paragliders, etc.
If I was, I'd have one, and be on a List that was dedicated to them.
I believe the only requirement to be a member of the Kolb List is to sign u
p and keep our posts Kolb related. Not much more to it.
I built my airplanes to fly, not to haul around on top of, or behind, my tr
uck.
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
That is a nice advantage the Trike has over Fix wings... Very Portable...
.
And thats probably Why they cost so damn much for what you get... 8-(
Mark
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
At 05:59 PM 6/24/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>
>I built my airplanes to fly, not to haul around on top of, or behind, my
>truck.
Well, lots of us (including me!) did choose a Kolb for the ability to haul
it behind a truck. If I couldn't keep it in a trailer I wouldn't be flying it.
-Dana
--
Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why don't we
send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use it any more.
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| Subject: | Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
HI John=C2-
I completely understand the=C2-fascination and focus on KOLBs...
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent!
Mark:
=C2-
Most of us, on the Kolb List, have already made the
decision to build and fly Kolbs.=C2- I've been doing=C2-just that for ma
ny,
many years and flight hours.
=C2-
I, personally, am not interested in trikes, hang
gliders, paragliders, etc.=C2- If I was, I'd have one, and be on a List th
at
was dedicated to them.
=C2-
I believe the only requirement to be a member of
the Kolb List is to sign up and keep our posts Kolb related.=C2- Not much
more
to it.
=C2-
I built my airplanes to fly, not to haul around on
top of, or behind, my truck.
=C2-
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
That is a nice advantage the Trike has over Fix wings... Very
Portable....=C2-
And thats probably Why they cost so damn much=C2-for what you get..
8-(
Mark
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
HAHAHAHAHA =C2-
DANA=C2-
I LOVE YOUR TAG LINE =C2-HAHAHAHA =C2- SAD TOO 8-/
MARK
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent!
At 05:59 PM 6/24/2008, John Hauck wrote:
=C2-
I built my airplanes to fly, not to haul around
on top of, or behind, my truck.
Well, lots of us (including me!) did choose a Kolb for the ability to
haul it behind a truck.=C2- If I couldn't keep it in a trailer I
wouldn't be flying it.
-Dana
--
=C2-Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq.=C2- Why
don't we send them ours?=C2- It worked for 200 years, and we don't use
it any more.
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| Subject: | Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Dana:
When I spoke of flying and not hauling, I was speaking strictly for myself. I
understand there are a lot of folks that have no choice, and a lot of folks that
like to put their Kolb in a trailer and haul it around behind their cars and
trucks. That is the primary reason Homer has designed all his airplanes from
the Ultrastar forward with folding wings. It is still a very big selling point
for TNK.
I have been very fortunate. Never had to trailer my Kolbs, except to get them
from the shop to the airstrip, and to retrieve them when I broke them beyond their
capability to fly me home. Been flying out of a little 750 grass strip in
the cow pasture for more than 24 years. In fact, got a chance today to share
that airstrip, the mkIII, the cows, the cow manure, antique tractors, with some
mighty fine folks from Pennsylvania, Terry and Pat Frantz, my old friends
from south of Smoketown, PA. Terry is the man that organizes the Homer Kolb Father's
Day Flyins. Was totally surprised when they came driving in my drive
pulling a popup camper, unannounced. The beauty of the whole thing is he was
delayed by 30 minutes trying to find a Shell fuel station. I had returned from
a trip to Mobile, Alabama, 10 minutes prior to their arrival. Had they not
gotten lost trying to find the Shell Station, I would not have been at home, and
we would have missed each other. We had a great visit. Always good to spend
time with Kolb friends.
When I make comments on the Kolb List, I make them for myself and not others.
I try not to give advice, but to share what I have done right or wrong in situations
that involve building and flying Kolbs. I personally do not like to get
advice from people that have little or no experience flying Kolbs in matters
that are pertinent to Kolbs.
Guess I better get down off my soapbox. Got a bc msg to check my meds. ;-)
Take care,
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
Dana:
Forgot to mention in my previous response, I have quite a bit of experience
trailering Kolbs. In fact, I broke my mkIII,1 July 2000, at Muncho Lake i
n northern BC, Canada. Did a very good job of breaking it. It was unflyab
le and would take some extensive repairs to get it flying again. The best
course of action was return home to Alabama, get the truck and trailer, the
n drive 3,742 miles from hauck's holler, alabama, to Muncho Lake, BC. Took
a couple days to configure the trailer, load the mkIII, secure it, and dep
art for Oshkosh. We made it to OSH the first day of the flyin, mkIII in to
w. From OSH back home was another thousand miles and a couple more days.
Took 30 days from the time I crashed until I got the mkIII home.
Some of you may have been at OSH that year. I gave a briefing on how to cu
t a flight to Barrow, AK, OSH, and home, short in flight hours, but long in
driving and hauling.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
Well, lots of us (including me!) did choose a Kolb for the ability to ha
ul it behind a truck. If I couldn't keep it in a trailer I wouldn't be fly
ing it.
-Dana
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
At 08:41 PM 6/24/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>... 3,742 miles... I gave a briefing on how to cut a flight to Barrow, AK,
>OSH, and home, short in flight hours, but long in driving and hauling.
That's a l-o-n-g drive! And I thought my 570 mile round trip seemed long...
Thought it seems a lot longer when you know you have a bent axle... and as
you know it's a good thing it wasn't even one mile longer...
-Dana
--
The Bill of Rights goes too far--it should have stopped at "Congress
shall make no law".
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| From: | "William and/or Justina Fyfe" <wjfyfe(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Text of my posts fail to show? Why? |
OK. Lemme try?
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| From: | "William and/or Justina Fyfe" <wjfyfe(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Text of my posts fail to show? Why? |
It works! Thanks Matt!
Bill
Grants Pass, Oregon
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| From: | "William and/or Justina Fyfe" <wjfyfe(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Questions about the Mark III and Kolbra |
Here are my thoughts and maybe some of you can advise me on my sanity.
We presently own a 150HP Cessna 150. A great airplane for most of what
we have done with it. But very recently we have decided that we just are
not that interested any more in the longer cross country flying. So, I am looking
for an
airplane that is more suitable doing low and slow just for local
pursuits. An airplane that is capable of those shorter, rough
airstrips. Or, possibly no airstrip at all. Something with good visibility. One
that folds down easily for transport so we can take the airplane with us when
we travel if we choose.
What do some of you think? Is the Kolb the right aircraft for us?
Thanks!
Bill
Grants Pass, Oregon
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Questions about the Mark III and Kolbra |
In a message dated 6/24/2008 11:05:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wjfyfe(at)att.net writes:
What do some of you think? Is the Kolb the right aircraft for us?
Bill,
YEP! Kolb is the only one.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
"Taking the bull by the horns is a good way to get gored."
Hi John,Good one. I will remember that. After all my good advice to Cristal
about being properly prepared, I had to get it all wrong.
<>
I had flown the day before. What I hadn`t done was fly since my oil change.
I dont see quite how , until I investigate further, but I suspect that the
low pressure and the high temps were related to the oil change somehow. Hot
oil on the sensor perhaps?
I drained the oil out yesterday and only refilled to a much lower level.
Ground ran the engine for a long period (It was too rough to fly) and
evrything seems OK. I good grind around the patch within gliding distance of
my strip seems to be indicated before going further. Luckily most of the
hayfields are cut so there are plenty of big field to put her down in if the
worst happens.
I managed not to scare my passenger anyhow. . He rang me up to thank me for
the flight and asked to fly again.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ...olb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
.Its so light that an Ultralite can tow it...>>
Hi Mark
I think that is done pretty regularly here.
The rest of your post just shows how out of touch I am.
Back to Kolbs
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
Patrick/Mark:
Don't ya think you all are getting a bit far from Kolb related subject
matter?>>
Quite right John. I consider my wrist slapped.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Pat, Thanks for sharing your experience.>>
Hi Cristal,
Glad you liked it, and learned from it, I hope.. At least my stupidity can
do someone a bit of good.
They say that bad things happen in threes. In this case It was 1) Absolutely
zero wind, 2) Not putting in enough trim to compensate for the passenger
weight. 3) Missing the flap setting from my interrupted Check list.
Good .luck. Keep us posted with your progress.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | gary aman <gaman(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Pat,
What powers your Kolb?
----- Original Message ----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:39:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
"Taking the bull by the horns is a good way to get gored."
Hi John,Good one. I will remember that. After all my good advice to Cristal
about being properly prepared, I had to get it all wrong.
<>
I had flown the day before. What I hadn`t done was fly since my oil change.
I dont see quite how , until I investigate further, but I suspect that the
low pressure and the high temps were related to the oil change somehow. Hot
oil on the sensor perhaps?
I drained the oil out yesterday and only refilled to a much lower level.
Ground ran the engine for a long period (It was too rough to fly) and
evrything seems OK. I good grind around the patch within gliding distance of
my strip seems to be indicated before going further. Luckily most of the
hayfields are cut so there are plenty of big field to put her down in if the
worst happens.
I managed not to scare my passenger anyhow. . He rang me up to thank me for
the flight and asked to fly again.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
With all this non Kolb stuff I figured I could send this. I didn't write
this.
My ex-wife started taking flying lessons about the time our
divorce started and she got her license shortly before our divorce was
final, later that same year.
Yesterday afternoon, she narrowly escaped injury in the aircraft she
was piloting when she was forced to make an emergency landing in
Southern Tennessee because of bad weather. Thank God our kids were with
me at the Beach House this weekend.
The NTSB issued a preliminary report, citing pilot error: Judy was
flying a single engine aircraft in IFR (instrument flight rating)
conditions while only having obtained a VFR (visual flight rating)
rating.
The absence of a post-crash fire was likely due to insufficient fuel
on board. No one on the ground was injured.
The photograph below was taken at the scene and shows the extent of
damage to her aircraft.
She was very lucky.
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| From: | "Lee/Cannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | why can't I see photos |
Can anyone tell me why I can't see photos which people attach ? thanks,
Rob
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
With all this non Kolb stuff I figured I could send this.>>
Watch it. John H will be after you. Very funny though. Still chuckling
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
What powers your Kolb?
I have a Jabiru. The only engine which is cleared for use on the Xtra in
the UK. The others put the weight above the ultralight limit.
Pat
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| From: | Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Pat,
What prop are you using with your Jab and how many blades? Three
blades on a pusher are reported to be considerably quieter than two,
but wooden props are normally recommended, though perhaps difficult
to find. I've got a Jab on another bird and am considering hanging
it on a Kolb, but not certain which one. Kinda miss the Firestar I
had and slewing sideways in a crosswind now and then.
Jerry
On Jun 25, 2008, at 12:54 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
> What powers your Kolb?
>
> I have a Jabiru. The only engine which is cleared for use on the
> Xtra in the UK. The others put the weight above the ultralight limit.
>
> Pat
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ...olb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Yes even a KOLB with a Tow hook =C2-could tow it up.. 8-)
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 5:44 am
Subject: Kolb-List: ...olb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
.Its so light that an Ultralite can tow
it...>>
=C2-
Hi Mark
=C2-
I think that is done pretty regularly
here.
=C2-
The rest of your post just shows how out of touch I
am.
=C2-
Back to Kolbs
=C2-
Cheers
=C2-
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: why can't I see photos |
| From: | "robcannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net> |
thanks, folks.........I think it was the "old list"
cheers, Rob [Wink]
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| Subject: | Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll Rates. |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
The roll forces on my MK III have always been heavy which is annoying but flyable
since the Kolb is very stable... My biggest concern is that the rate of roll
on my MK III Xtra has always been pretty slow, which can be dangerous in certain
situations. I have always felt that if I got banked sharply close to the
ground such as in wake turbulence or in a Rotor off a hanger that I would have
a hard time rolling the plane back to level quickly.
I have seen where a number of people have done mods to their Kolbs to give more
mechanical advantage to moving the ailerons, which helps reduce the stick forces
for normal slow roll rates, but it useless for improving the rate of roll.
The problem is that the aileron actuator tube that runs from the cage along
the trailing edge of the wing to the aileron will twist instead of moving the
aileron if a large movement is commanded in flight. If you want to test this
for yourself, move the stick to each limit on the ground, and watch how much
your aileron deflects... Then move the stick to each limit in flight in the air
and you will see that the aileron deflects less than half of what it did on
the ground, that is the tube twisting which acts like a spring in the stick...
Essentially most of the stick travel is being wasted in the spring effect of
the tube twisting instead of moving the aileron.
My solution was to put Aileron Spades on my MK III Xtra. Spades use aerodynamic
forces actually make the aileron deflect easier, not just a mechanical advantage,
so the aileron actuator tube twisting is much less of a problem. I designed
the spade brackets to fit right on to the aileron tube, and had Kolb fabricate
them. Dennis at Kolb did an incredible job of making a very strong steel
bracket that makes my spades more rigid than the spades found 200 MPH Decathlon
that shares my hanger. Each spade is attached to its aileron tube with 48
rivets and leveled to within 1/3 of a degree to the bottom of each aileron.
Spades are common and used on many different type of aircraft, including some
airplanes that are in the same weight and speed speed class as our Kolbs ( Many
Rans Models and others ). Aileron spades are a well tested, accepted, and
proven way to make aileron forces lighter. As with anything in aviation, close
attention must be paid to detail with this modification... A poorly mounted,
or incorrectly positioned spade will very possibly result in an uncontrollable
roll and a crash.
The spades have helped lighten the roll forces of the MK III considerably, I now
feel very good about the rate of roll, with the added benefit of light feeling
ailerons that are more balanced with the light forces of the elevator. I
am also much happier with the way my Kolb feels and flies with the addition of
spades, it also feels much better in turbulence since I have the ability to quickly
and easily correct any banks caused by conditions. Very thorough flight
testing, and many hours of normal flying have shown the addition of aileron spades
on my Kolb to work very well with no undesirable results. Attached are
some pictures.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Richard,
If you still have the gear legs I am finally ready to pay up.
I recall the price was $250 plus $25 shipping.
Let me know if you still want to sale them and I will get a check in the
mail.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Yep, still on my "parts I'll use someday" rack.
Rick
On 7/16/07, Denny Rowe wrote:
Rich,
Do you still have the gear legs?
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Colder than a well digger's knee caps here, I woosed out last
night, but got a picture today. Still in TNK tape and factory insert up
to here lines.
Rick
On 2/1/07, Denny Rowe wrote:
Are "these"
----- Original Message -----
From: Denny Rowe
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic?
Do you still have them?
Pic?
Denny Rowe
rowedenny(at)windstream.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs
When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by
my horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel
gear legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not
going to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping.
Rick
--
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"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
Guys and Gals,
Sorry about that last post, did not mean for it to be on the list.
Denny
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: why can't I see photos |
this picture of "Marilyn Monroe".>>
I think maybe your computer is bent.
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| From: | "alking50" <alking737(at)yahoo.com> |
I recent retired (2nd time) and have been doing my research for a build and fly
project. The Kolb MrkIII Extra is definitely a finalist. Since I live in Asia
I have not had an opportunity to see and fly one. I called the factory to
make an appointment to come there for a look and to test fly the Extra. Dennis
told me it was doubtful if I could fly one because there is no qualified pilot
around. I explained that I was going to travel 8000 miles to come see and
make my final decision based on what I saw and how it flew. He just said I cant
promise you any thing but I'll make a call or two.
Just makes me wonder how they ever imagine selling an airplane with out a test
flight. Did they ever make a call to their competition? They have a totally
different attitude even offering transportation and lodging. Maybe he did not
think I was serious but seems if a guy will travel that far he may be a little
interested. Well I changed m plans and will go see another aircraft. I will
be in Seattle area July 10 to 14 and would love to make contact with an owner
around there. I would appreciate any help in that regard. I still like the
airplane but...
Al. King
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| From: | David Key <dhkey(at)msn.com> |
You're not the first one to wonder about the companies sales strategy. I wi
ll confim that they will do anything durring the building process to suppor
t you, I made many calls and got immeadate assistance.
> Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Sales> From: alking737(at)yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26
age posted by: "alking50" > > I recent retired (2nd ti
me) and have been doing my research for a build and fly project. The Kolb M
rkIII Extra is definitely a finalist. Since I live in Asia I have not had a
n opportunity to see and fly one. I called the factory to make an appointme
nt to come there for a look and to test fly the Extra. Dennis told me it wa
s doubtful if I could fly one because there is no qualified pilot around. I
explained that I was going to travel 8000 miles to come see and make my fi
nal decision based on what I saw and how it flew. He just said I cant promi
se you any thing but I'll make a call or two.> > Just makes me wonder how t
hey ever imagine selling an airplane with out a test flight. Did they ever
make a call to their competition? They have a totally different attitude ev
en offering transportation and lodging. Maybe he did not think I was seriou
s but seems if a guy will travel that far he may be a little interested. We
ll I changed m plans and will go see another aircraft. I will be in Seattle
area July 10 to 14 and would love to make contact with an owner around the
re. I would appreciate any help in that regard. I still like the airplane b
ut...> > Al. King> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.ma
==================> > >
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
I still like the airplane but...
>
> Al. King
Hi Al:
Welcome to the Kolb List.
Where in Asia do you live? Asia is a pretty big continent.
TNK is a very small company. That means they have 4 full time employees,
President, Donnie Sizemore; Parts and Sales, Travis Brown; Ken does
fabrication; and Dennis is the welder. You were speaking with the welder
because one of his secondary duties is to answer the phone if Travis and
Donnie are not available.
Why don't you give TNK another call and talk to the Pres?
TNK is more than an airplane experience. They are more like family, once
you join them. Don't think you can expect that type treatment from the
larger airplane companies.
I have flown the new MKIIIx. It is a terrific airplane.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "alking50" <alking737(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks to each on of you that took the time to respond to my ranting. I Understand
now more about the company. I really appreciator your replays to me. I
will be at Arlington and hopefully Ill find some proud KOLB owners there. Im
looking forward oto meeting many of you in the future.
Thanks again,
Allan King
--------
Allan L. King
Continental Airlines
Retired and loving it!
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
What prop are you using with your Jab and how many blades?>>
Hi Jerry,
prop is 2 blade, wooden GT/157. 157 cms dia X 98cms pitch.
The dealer reports better performance with the Prince `P` tip.
I have found the combination very noisy indeed although I think it can
only be the result of the `pusher` configuration as Jabi`s in normal
tractor config are super quiet.
I would like to run the exhausts so that it is expelled outside the
diameter of the prop to see if that makes it quieter. Unfortunately it
would be pretty expensive to get a one off system made and there would
be a weight penalty.We do not have your freedom to experiment and a
change like that would need permission for a modification from the Light
Aircraft Assoc.
Incidentally if anyone on the list has a noise problem, and a solution,
I would be pleased to hear about it. The ordinary noise from a 912 and a
Jabi are pretty similar so any comments would probably be valid
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll |
Rates.
>
>
.............................
>My solution was to put Aileron Spades on my MK III Xtra. Spades use
aerodynamic forces actually make the aileron deflect easier, not just a
mechanical advantage, so the aileron actuator tube twisting is much less of
a problem. I designed the spade brackets to fit right on to the aileron
tube, and had Kolb fabricate them. Dennis at Kolb did an incredible job of
making a very strong steel bracket that makes my spades more rigid than the
spades found 200 MPH Decathlon that shares my hanger. Each spade is
attached to its aileron tube with 48 rivets and leveled to within 1/3 of a
degree to the bottom of each aileron.
.............................
>
Mike,
I am pleased they have worked out for you. How did you decide on the moment
arm length, the spade area, and the number of holes to attach it to the
aileron tube?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Patrick:
We aren't flying Cessna Citations or Lear Jets. Some of us are building th
ese things in the basement and flying them out of cow pastures. They are n
oisy as Hell and I don't know that anyone has built a quiet one yet. I thi
nk the problem is the engine and prop are on the wrong end. When I am at L
akeland and OSH, I am always amazed at how quiet the tractors are, powered
with the same prop and engine I have.
Get a good ANR headset, learn how to fly your airplane, see if you can get
to TBO next year, and enjoy the Hell out of it.
I plan on doing that, if I can. Tomorrow morning flying to Harris Field, R
aleigh, MS, home of Paul Petty's ex-Father-In-Law. Going to do some Kolbra
tweaking, get a BFR out of the way, eat some home grown vegetables and fri
ed chicken. Hope to beat the thunderstorms by getting out of here early in
the morning, and back home again early tomorrow morning. A 400 mile round
trip flight is good for the soul. Haven't done a cross country since I re
turned from out West the first of June.
Two weeks until John Bickham's Nauga Field Flyin at Star Hill, LA. Everyon
e is invited. Prefer flying in, but if you can't fly, hitch a ride and get
there the best way you can. I can assure you you will have a ball. These
folks know how to take care of their guests. Most of the old gang that fl
ew cross country flights with John W will be there to honor our old buddy,
tell lies, eat good, and maybe play a little Knock Knock Poker if the weath
er turns sour. See ya'll there!!!
Take care,
john h
mkIII
2,800+ hours and counting in the old mkIII, Miss P'fer (p fer plane)
Incidentally if anyone on the list has a noise problem, and a solution,
I would be pleased to hear about it. The ordinary noise from a 912 and a Ja
bi are pretty similar so any comments would probably be valid
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Archives searches |
> I hope I haven't offended anyone. There IS a reason why we are supposed
to stay on the subject of KOLBS and related items. (Not just to irritate
John!)
>
> Have a nice day.
> Mike Welch
> MkIII CX (building)
Mike:
Who said I was irritated. You took that for granted. I wasn't frowning or
snarling as I typed those emails. In fact, I think I added a smiley face to
let you all know I was my same "old" contented, happy, mellowed out self.
Takes more than a couple shit birds to irritate me. After having an
Infantry Company a couple years and an Officer Student Aviation Company for
a year, the only thing that bothers me is someone leaning on my Kolb or
putting finger prints on the windshield. ;-)
There is definitely a reason for Matt's suggested guidelines for operation
of the Kolb List. If it strays too far away from center, it becomes a hang
glider or truck repair list. I'm here because I like Kolbs. I also like a
lot of other stuff too, dirt bikes, ATVs, antique tractors, boating, RV'ing,
but it doesn't have a place on the Kolb List.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "robcannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net> |
I am making a quiet Kolb [Shocked] , I hope ! How quiet it will be is yet to be
seen (Heard). HKS with stock upward pointed exhaust (apparently meets strict
European noise standard) whatever that means, and a four blade 65" powerfin prop.........should
be running in a week or so. Any guesses on how quiet it will
be? Rob
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| From: | gary aman <gaman(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Pat,
Noise is a problem.Here is a picture of my home made exhaust system.Also requires
sealing the fuselage tube to keep exhaust from coming up the tube.
----- Original Message ----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:36:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
What prop are you using with your Jab and how many
blades?>>
Hi Jerry,
prop is 2 blade, wooden GT/157. 157 cms
dia X 98cms pitch.
The dealer reports better performance with the
Prince `P` tip.
I have found the combination very noisy indeed
although I think it can only be the result of the `pusher` configuration as
Jabi`s in normal tractor config are super quiet.
I would like to run the exhausts so that it is
expelled outside the diameter of the prop to see if that makes it quieter.
Unfortunately it would be pretty expensive to get a one off system made and
there would be a weight penalty.We do not have your freedom to experiment and a
change like that would need permission for a modification from the Light
Aircraft Assoc.
Incidentally if anyone on the list has a noise
problem, and a solution, I would be pleased to hear about it. The ordinary noise
from a 912 and a Jabi are pretty similar so any comments would probably be valid
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Any guesses on how quiet it will be? Rob
>
Rob:
You might have something there. What model Kolb is it?
Some folks are chasing low fuel burn, some stealth Kolbs, and the rest of us
are trying to squeeze all the HP we can out of those little noisy props and
engines, to have a blast.
Nice thing about building and flying Kolbs, you can build and fly'em like
you want to.
Thank goodness we don't have to comply with all the noise, and other
restrictions, our overseas friends have to. That would take a lot of fun
out of our sport, here in the States.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "JR" <jrsmith2(at)triad.rr.com> |
Very interested in this project... we need to cut noise, its just a matter
of time until conplaints are filed and we are make to quieten our Kolbs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "robcannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Quiet Kolb
>
> I am making a quiet Kolb [Shocked] , I hope ! How quiet it will be is yet
> to be seen (Heard). HKS with stock upward pointed exhaust (apparently
> meets strict European noise standard) whatever that means, and a four
> blade 65" powerfin prop.........should be running in a week or so. Any
> guesses on how quiet it will be? Rob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189936#189936
>
>
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8:00 AM
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
.Here is a picture of my home made exhaust system.>>
Hi,
I had something on those lines in mind. Did it accomplish anything?
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
. HKS with stock upward pointed exhaust (apparently meets strict European
noise standard) whatever that means, >>
Hi Rob,
HKS is reputedly a pretty quiet engine.
My exhaust are swept forward and point at the sky.
European Standards vary from country to country at the moment we are heading
for more integration. Germany I think has the most stringent noise levels if
you can get down to those levels beware taxying. You can knock over a
pedestrian without him hearing you coming
Pat. .
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| From: | Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Pat,
As a former Jab-powered Titan driver, both the four and the six, and
now in a tractor, I can vouch for what you say. Pushers are
inherently noisy because the propeller is chopping disturbed air from
over the wings. With a 2-blade, both blades are chopping at the same
time, kinda doubling the noise produced, hence the advantage of a 3-
blade is that only one blade is chopping the air. Another lesson
learned is that shorter props, and hence less tip speed, are
quieter. I was swinging 58 inch props which were much quieter than
friends who put on 62 inch props. Warp drive props, I have since
learned, are presumably okay for the Jabs, and hence a 3-blade setup
is possible.
Jerry
On Jun 26, 2008, at 7:36 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
> What prop are you using with your Jab and how many blades?>>
>
> Hi Jerry,
> prop is 2 blade, wooden GT/157. 157 cms dia X 98cms pitch.
>
> The dealer reports better performance with the Prince `P` tip.
>
> I have found the combination very noisy indeed although I think it
> can only be the result of the `pusher` configuration as Jabi`s in
> normal tractor config are super quiet.
>
> I would like to run the exhausts so that it is expelled outside the
> diameter of the prop to see if that makes it quieter. Unfortunately
> it would be pretty expensive to get a one off system made and there
> would be a weight penalty.We do not have your freedom to experiment
> and a change like that would need permission for a modification
> from the Light Aircraft Assoc.
>
> Incidentally if anyone on the list has a noise problem, and a
> solution, I would be pleased to hear about it. The ordinary noise
> from a 912 and a Jabi are pretty similar so any comments would
> probably be valid
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
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| From: | Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Oh, yeah, Pat, another claimed way to reduce noise was to install a
prop extension, pushing the prop back one to three inches.
Jerry
On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:09 AM, gary aman wrote:
> Pat,
> Noise is a problem.Here is a picture of my home made exhaust
> system.Also requires sealing the fuselage tube to keep exhaust from
> coming up the tube.
>
>
> Incidentally if anyone on the list has a noise problem, and a
> solution, I would be pleased to hear about it. The ordinary noise
> from a 912 and a Jabi are pretty similar so any comments would
> probably be valid
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
We aren't flying Cessna Citations or Lear Jets. Some of us are flying
them out of cow pastures. They are noisy as Hell and I don't know that
anyone has built a quiet one yet.>>
Hi John,
I fly from a cow pasture too, but we just do not have the room that you
do in the States. You can`t start an engine here without annoying
somebody and unless you get the plane noise certificated you will not
fly. I am noise legal but it is still noisy. The guy who owns the
strip is very twitchy as there is a movement in the local village to
close it. In spite of the fact that it has been there more than 30
years. The trouble is a complaint to the local Council is almost always
carried through in spite of the hundreds in the area who do NOT
complain. Consequently we never do circuits or fly close to the strip.
Take off and fly away is the rule.
<< I think the problem is the engine and prop are on the wrong end.
When I am at Lakeland and OSH, I am always amazed at how quiet the
tractors are, powered with the same prop and engine I have.>>
Ithink you are right. A Jabiru flew into my strip a couple of days ago
and it was like a sewing machine.Almost noiselss at 300 feet.
<>
Tried to get a ANR retrofit for my headphones. Would you believe that
the series I have are the only ones in the manufacturers range which
cannot be converted . In any case I am not particularly bothered, its
other people. This week from 1500 ft I broke up an open air Shakespeare
play rehearsal.. I have been threatened with sudden death if I pull the
same stunt on a performance night..
learn how to fly your airplane, and enjoy the Hell out of it.>> I am
learning and I am really enjoying it
<< Hope to beat the thunderstorms by getting out of here early in the
morning,>>
We have the hell of a thunderstorm going on at the moment. Rain is
sheeting down and its the first night of the Outdoor Shakespeare
performance. Wendy is in it and will NOT be pleased..
Two weeks until John Bickham's Nauga Field Flyin at Star Hill, LA.
Everyone is invited. Prefer flying in, but if you can't fly, hitch a
ride and get there the best way you can.>>
Definitely will not be making it to the States this year Say `Hello` to
all those I met at MV last year.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Pushers are
inherently noisy because the propeller is chopping disturbed air from
over the wings.>>
Hi Jerry,
that is about the conclusion I have come to. Messing with props is again
not a simple operation here.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
A few years ago I had a muffler on my Redrive VW. When I took it off to find
out if I would get more power without it I also found that it made no more
noise than It did with the muffler on. At least in side the cockpit it is no
more noisy. I have never heard the noise from out side but I'm told that my
straight pipe VW sounds considerably better on a over flight (I don't know
if it is more quiet or just lower pitch) than a muffled Rotax.
My first engine mount used the stock Kolb mount which allowed my redrive VW
to move around quite a bit and was fairly quiet inside the cockpit. One day
I even took my head sets off to see if I could fly without them.......I put
them right back on. When I switched to the new lower custom engine mount the
inside noise increased quite a bit. I currently fly with MP3 player
headphones stuck in my ears under my noise canceling aviation headphones.
I have tried stopping the noise with noise reducing foam in the gap seal and
behind the cockpit with little benefit.
I think the biggest noise source is the prop and engine vibrations. Select a
prop with the lowest tip speed and use the softest vibration dampers (engine
Mounts) you can get hold of. Stock Kolb vibration dampers are pretty good
too bad I can't use them. Of course shorter props will produce less thrust
and too soft a engine mount may allow the engine to twist out of alignment
(not a good thing).
My $.02 worth.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "robcannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Quiet Kolb
>
> I am making a quiet Kolb [Shocked] , I hope ! How quiet it will be is yet
> to be seen (Heard). HKS with stock upward pointed exhaust (apparently
> meets strict European noise standard) whatever that means, and a four
> blade 65" powerfin prop.........should be running in a week or so. Any
> guesses on how quiet it will be? Rob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189936#189936
>
>
>
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| From: | "robcannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net> |
The airstrip I live at has serious noise rules. The owners have basically said
"no ultralights". If I annoy the neighbors, I'm out. So.........I am hoping
this combo will be quiet. (Kolb Twinstar / hks )
- as a matter of general interest, the twinstar with the hks, custom fuel tanks,
twin facets, gascolator(it all adds up) minimal fairings, weighs 460 lbs.
With a gross weight of 750, it's a one and a half person plane.
And probably better as a single seater.
cheers, Rob
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
In re noise -- I think everyone would like to have a quieter plane,
whether it affects their flying permissions or not.
I recall the Lockheed 'quiet plane' they developed for Vietnam use.
It was astonishingly quiet, mainly due to a huge slow-turning
tractor prop on a shaft above the fuselage. Kolbs can't do that; no
help there. But the exhaust was fairly large in diameter and aimed
upward. I read that one Kolb installation had the exhausts aimed up
and FORWARD. I'd think that would produce too much back-pressure, but
if it works?
They've done a lot of things with 'tuned exhausts' on VW dune buggies
-- that might be close enough to have some practicality for kolbs .
Who's got some experience here?
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
It may be quiet.... and slow. That 4 blade powerfin is waay too
much prop for the HKS unless
you will be pushing a trike. What kind of Kolb are you putting it on?
If you pitch it for 5000 engine rpm you will be creeping through the
sky unless that model is a turbo.
My one liter suzuki makes about what the 680cc HKS ( published) HP
is at similar engine rpms.
I have run a three blade 65" powerfin on it and got reasonable
performance but not as long-legged as
my 2 blade 70" WarpDrive.
BB, MKIII
Scottsville, NY
On 26, Jun 2008, at 2:05 PM, robcannon wrote:
>
> I am making a quiet Kolb [Shocked] , I hope ! How quiet it will be
> is yet to be seen (Heard). HKS with stock upward pointed exhaust
> (apparently meets strict European noise standard) whatever that
> means, and a four blade 65" powerfin prop.........should be running
> in a week or so. Any guesses on how quiet it will be? Rob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189936#189936
>
>
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| From: | "robcannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net> |
sorry - forgot to mention 3:47 gearbox
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| From: | Jerry Jones <maderah2(at)sbcglobal.net> |
A good thing about the 4-blade setup is they are likely to be shorter
with less tip speed, thereby reducing noise. Howsomever, if there is
any truth to the idea that two blades cutting across the wing air at
the same time are noiser, then using only three of the four might be
quieter still--save the 4th for a backup replacement. Also, will 4-
blades interfere with wing folding?
Jerry
>
> It may be quiet.... and slow. That 4 blade powerfin is waay too
> much prop for the HKS unless
> you will be pushing a trike. What kind of Kolb are you putting it on?
>
>
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| From: | gary aman <gaman(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Pat,
Would you prefer the truth or do you want me to tell you how much it helped?I
lined the entire cabin and over head center cover with 1/2" denso foam sound control
foam.Doesn't weigh much and now I can actually use the intercom at 2700
rpm,but not at full throttle.It's not the engine,it's the prop.It sounds so good
at 1800 I wish it would fly at that rpm.I really thought that a geared engine
would get the prop noise down to a tolerable level,but I can't address that.I
think Mr. Pike has made some cabin mods that may be more productive in suppling
cleaner air flow to the prop,which may reduce noise.Like John said,I guess
I'll just have to get OVER it and enjoy the flight!
----- Original Message ----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:37:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
.Here is a picture of my home made exhaust
system.>>
Hi,
I had something on those lines in mind. Did
it accomplish anything?
Pat
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
So you figure on turning the prop about 1800.
I was turning my three blade 65" powerfin about 2100. They have a
broad thrust producing
chord so it might work for you at the lower RPM. Keep us posted.
BB
On 26, Jun 2008, at 5:53 PM, robcannon wrote:
>
> sorry - forgot to mention 3:47 gearbox
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189970#189970
>
>
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| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
robcannon
> sorry - forgot to mention 3:47 gearbox
Did you guys know that if you make a mistake that it can be corrected after the
post is submitted with the "edit" button to the right. It will go back into your
post and you can make the correction without having to make a new post.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
0 years flying it
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| From: | "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll Rates. |
Mike,
Just a note of caution.
I considered spades 6 years ago for my Mark III, even started fabrication.
When seeking opinions about spades on the Kolb wing I was advised to take it
easy if I did install them. Aileron deflection puts additional load on the
TE of the wing. I was told that the standard configuration can withstand
about all the force you can put on the stick, but with "power steering" it
may be possible to overstress the wing and fail the ribs near the trailing
edge.
I did not proceed any further.
Steven Green
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll Rates. |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Steven Green wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Just a note of caution.
>
> I considered spades 6 years ago for my Mark III, even started fabrication.
> When seeking opinions about spades on the Kolb wing I was advised to take it
> easy if I did install them. Aileron deflection puts additional load on the
> TE of the wing. I was told that the standard configuration can withstand
> about all the force you can put on the stick, but with "power steering" it
> may be possible to overstress the wing and fail the ribs near the trailing
> edge.
>
> I did not proceed any further.
>
> Steven Green
I thought about spades for my FS II also. It didn't have the strongest aileron
response either, tho it had the lightest controls of any airplane I've ever flown.
I too was advised about the additional loads that could have been imposed on the
wing and ailerons themselves if the spades had been added. So I never did actually
tr it.
My titan has spades on the ailerons but the wing, aileron and attach hinges are
noticeably significantly thicker, stronger and etc. The airfoil is different
as well so it's just got loads of aileron and can handle spades.
The kolb wings still strike me as pretty strong, but probably still getting close
to a limit with the extra deflection.
I resolved the issue by not flying my FS II in bad weather and just letting the
brave guys call me names.... It was more fun to fly in smooth morning or evening
conditions anyway.
In fact that's still how I fly and I still get called names ;).....
LS
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LS
FS II
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| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
I like my Kolb loud...let's me know she's running. It's when she gets quiet that
gets me a little anxious. Haven't heard any noise complaints here (yet anyways).
Guess the prisoners and guards right next to the airport have gotten used
to it (who ever had the "brilliant" idea of building a prison right next to
an airport I'll never know).
Was a beautiful evening for flying. Got down just before sunset. Change of gear
box oil seemed to do it some good. Whoever changed it last had filled it up
too much.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Sold my Kolb Firestar II- purchased a Aeronca Champ 7AC |
| From: | "John H Murphy" <mailjohnmurphy(at)gmail.com> |
I just sold my FS II to a gentleman from New Mexico who could not pass his medical.
I decided to purchase a 1946 Aeronca Champ. This is probably my last post
before signing off on this list. I wanted to thank everyone who helped me with
various problems on my Kolb. This is really a great resource. I also think often
about our friend John Williamson who was such an inspiration to so many including
myself. Thanks again for all your help!
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| From: | "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Sold my Kolb Firestar II- purchased a Aeronca Champ 7AC |
You will like the Aeronca. I put about 60hrs in one before the MK111. Very
nice to fly not a lot different than the Kolb. Floots a bit more when
landing into good wind .
Tony
Do not arcive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John H Murphy" <mailjohnmurphy(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Sold my Kolb Firestar II- purchased a Aeronca Champ 7AC
>
>
> I just sold my FS II to a gentleman from New Mexico who could not pass his
> medical. I decided to purchase a 1946 Aeronca Champ. This is probably my
> last post before signing off on this list. I wanted to thank everyone who
> helped me with various problems on my Kolb. This is really a great
> resource. I also think often about our friend John Williamson who was such
> an inspiration to so many including myself. Thanks again for all your
> help!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190027#190027
>
>
>
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| From: | "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
al, this is donnie at kolb aircraft, let me know what date you can be at
kolb and i will have something set up for you, sorry i was not here at the
time you called, e-mail me your plan to be here. thank you for your
interest in kolb. donnie.
----- Original Message -----
From: "alking50" <alking737(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:26 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Sales
>
> I recent retired (2nd time) and have been doing my research for a build
and fly project. The Kolb MrkIII Extra is definitely a finalist. Since I
live in Asia I have not had an opportunity to see and fly one. I called the
factory to make an appointment to come there for a look and to test fly the
Extra. Dennis told me it was doubtful if I could fly one because there is
no qualified pilot around. I explained that I was going to travel 8000
miles to come see and make my final decision based on what I saw and how it
flew. He just said I cant promise you any thing but I'll make a call or
two.
>
> Just makes me wonder how they ever imagine selling an airplane with out a
test flight. Did they ever make a call to their competition? They have a
totally different attitude even offering transportation and lodging. Maybe
he did not think I was serious but seems if a guy will travel that far he
may be a little interested. Well I changed m plans and will go see another
aircraft. I will be in Seattle area July 10 to 14 and would love to make
contact with an owner around there. I would appreciate any help in that
regard. I still like the airplane but...
>
> Al. King
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189887#189887
>
>
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| From: | "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
----- Original Message -----
From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Sales
>
> al, this is donnie at kolb aircraft, let me know what date you can be at
> kolb and i will have something set up for you, sorry i was not here at the
> time you called, e-mail me your plan to be here. thank you for your
> interest in kolb. donnie.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "alking50" <alking737(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:26 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Sales
>
>
> >
> > I recent retired (2nd time) and have been doing my research for a build
> and fly project. The Kolb MrkIII Extra is definitely a finalist. Since I
> live in Asia I have not had an opportunity to see and fly one. I called
the
> factory to make an appointment to come there for a look and to test fly
the
> Extra. Dennis told me it was doubtful if I could fly one because there is
> no qualified pilot around. I explained that I was going to travel 8000
> miles to come see and make my final decision based on what I saw and how
it
> flew. He just said I cant promise you any thing but I'll make a call or
> two.
> >
> > Just makes me wonder how they ever imagine selling an airplane with out
a
> test flight. Did they ever make a call to their competition? They have a
> totally different attitude even offering transportation and lodging.
Maybe
> he did not think I was serious but seems if a guy will travel that far he
> may be a little interested. Well I changed m plans and will go see
another
> aircraft. I will be in Seattle area July 10 to 14 and would love to make
> contact with an owner around there. I would appreciate any help in that
> regard. I still like the airplane but...
> >
> > Al. King
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189887#189887
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:06 PM, cristalclear13
wrote:
(who ever had the "brilliant" idea of building a prison right next to
an airport I'll never know).
Cristal --
In 2003, I flew into an airport at Newport, Arkansas. Apparently, it
was at one time an Air Force base, so it was very large. Even the
shortest of its three runways is long enough for me to takeoff and
land on about three or four times. But the oddest feature is, on the
approach to runway 04, there is a prison. I don't mean it's close by,
I mean it's on the approach! I decided not to fly over it directly,
but that means I'm approaching my touch-down spot at a 45-degree
angle, so I had to make a fairly sharp turn to line up with the runway
once I was clear of the prison.
-- Robert
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&ie=UTF8&t=h&msa=0&msid=101773101841869726868.000450a5d63f109a051a0&ll=35.634279,-91.185665&spn=0.039205,0.063171&z=14
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| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Theres a prison here in Santa Fe, about 4NM to the SE. In fact, it's a very commonly
used waypoint for position reports to the tower.
The worst part is it looks very much like the airport at night and many of the
locals report approaching to land at the prison, mistaking it for the airport
until the last minute.
I never took the FS II over it and avoid it even in the titan. I wouldn't want
to put down anywhere near it.
As for a quiet Kolb, mine had the 3.47:1 C box cranking a 68" 3 blade warp drive.
It was a fair bit quieter than my friend's FSII back in TX. He ran the 2.58:1
b box spinning a TPI woodie.
I have used the Rotax aftermuffler and intake silencers. They do a surprisingly
good job of hushing up the motor. I'd have loved to have tried them on my FSII.
As for the 912, not much choice unless you can somehow fit a can muffler on top
of the engine. Mine is louder than my 2-stroke ever was by far. The locals can
hear me approaching the airport even while I'm still outside the class D......
LS
--------
LS
FS II
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| From: | thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com |
| Subject: | Yahoo! Auto Response |
I'm on an ultralight flight from Saturday, June 28 through Sunday, July 13. Since
I'll be camping along the way, I won't have access to a computer...and only
sporadic access to a phone So I'll get back to you on Monday, July 14.
Arty
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| From: | gary aman <gaman(at)att.net> |
Cristal,
The evenings are nice but morning is my favorite.
----- Original Message ----
From: cristalclear13 <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:06:15 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Quiet Kolb
I like my Kolb loud...let's me know she's running. It's when she gets quiet that
gets me a little anxious. Haven't heard any noise complaints here (yet anyways).
Guess the prisoners and guards right next to the airport have gotten used
to it (who ever had the "brilliant" idea of building a prison right next to
an airport I'll never know).
Was a beautiful evening for flying. Got down just before sunset. Change of gear
box oil seemed to do it some good. Whoever changed it last had filled it up
too much.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll Rates. |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
The strength of the ribs and the trailing edge of the wing is a valid concern and
something I thought about. The most important thing here is that I don't
use the spades to fly my Kolb around like I would a Decathlon. I still fly smoothly
with normal roll rates, so the wing and its ribs are not being stressed
any more than before I had the spades. I fly my Kolb like it was designed to
fly, smoothly and well within its limits. The spades just make flying much
more enjoyable as I have lighter forces on the stick when I fly in the way I always
have flown my Kolb.
I also have John H's wing strengthening angle iron inside the wing in addition
to the ribs to make the wing much more rigid and less prone to twisting at the
trailing edge. I did flight test my Kolb and took pictures of the wing with
the ailerons at full deflection at higher speeds with the spades so that I could
check for twisting, or any other type of deformation. The flight pictures
gave me lots of time to check everything over very carefully on my large computer
monitor, and it all looked great. I would not recommend anyone try to use
spades to fly a Kolb like it was not designed to fly...
It is really great to fly my Kolb with light aileron forces and also know that
if I find myself getting banked excessively or close to the ground, that have
very positive and quick control if I need it in an emergency.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
If you find yourself in Miami, or if anyone else needs a some experience in a Kolb,
I will be happy to take you for up in my MK III Xtra.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo! Auto Response |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
That sounds like fun !!! Anywhere to see your route, and the plane you are flying
? Good luck and fly safe.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
rlaird wrote:
> But the oddest feature is, on the
> approach to runway 04, there is a prison. I don't mean it's close by,
> I mean it's on the approach! I decided not to fly over it directly,
> but that means I'm approaching my touch-down spot at a 45-degree
> angle, so I had to make a fairly sharp turn to line up with the runway
> once I was clear of the prison.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
That's similar to ours. I almost have to fly over it on a left pattern to rwy
18.
Link:
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
gaman(at)att.net wrote:
> Cristal,
> The evenings are nice but morning is my favorite.
>
> ---
That's a beautiful shot.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Yahoo! Auto Response |
June 28 through Sunday, July 13------------ -you
lucky dog--- Chris=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "thewa
nderingwench(at)yahoo.com" =0ATo: kolb-list@matro
nics.com=0ASent: Friday, June 27, 2008 2:23:59 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Yah
ahoo.com=0A=0AI'm on an ultralight flight from Saturday, June 28 through Su
nday, July 13.- Since I'll be camping along the way, I won't have access
to a computer...and only sporadic access to a phone- So I'll get back to
==============0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Denny, did you mean the ones I had for sale?
If so, give me a call at 423-323-9441 or at
richard(at)bcchapel.org
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | aviation pioneer |
Mr. Miller saw and did it all:
<http://www.dmairfield.com/people/miller_jm/index.htm>
Watch him in the Kellett in the vid clip.
(BTW, welcome back Richard)
BB
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| From: | "Dan G." <azfirestar(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Does anyone have video of John Williamson? |
Hi All,
I've been in touch with Beverly Williamson and the family would like to
have some video of John that captures his voice. I took some of him
flying but don't have any of him in person. If you have videos on VHS,
DVD, or mini DV, I could combine them and write it to DVD for the family.
Thanks,
Dan Gilb
503 F2
Tucson, AZ
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| From: | "Dan G." <azfirestar(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | John W's Mounument Valley Trip Photos |
Beverly Williamson has the memory sticks with the photos that John took
during his MV trip. Their son put some of them on John's website - if
you'd like to view them, click on the Scheduled Flights in 2008
<2008_Flights/Flights_in_2008_A.htm> link
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot/
I've offered to put the photos on CD for those who would like them.
Please reply to me off list with your name and address and I'll start a
list. I plan to mail them out in a few weeks if the list is not too long.
Thanks,
Dan Gilb
503 F2
Tucson, AZ
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi All,
this time the crash is not mine.
This morning I was working in my driveway when a neighbour put her head
over the fence and said =ACOh, its not you then". She explained that she
had been told that there had been a plane crash about a mile away last
night and had assumed it was me. Why she should think that I have no
idea.
There are 3 landing strips within a couple of miles so I drove to the
crash to check to see if it was local plane. .The police woudn`t let me
poke around but it was obviously a Piper of some sort, probably an
Archer, but identification was difficult as all that could be seen was
about a foot of fin and about 6 inches of cabin top sticking up above
the water in a small fishing hole.
The story, as far as I can ascertain is that the guy lost his engine,
tried to get down in a field and messed it up spectacularly. He arrived
at the far hedge still going well, ploughed through it, removing his
wings in the process. Ran down a bank and ended in the middle of the
pond. Local fishermen tell me that it is only about four feet deep so he
either had his wheels retracted or he wiped them off going through the
hedge as the water nearly covered the cabin top The plane must have been
pretty low and he picked his field in a hurry as there are several big
fields within a few hundred yards of the one he chose.
The pilot was not injured but the best bit was that the first person to
arrive at the scene reported that the pilot was sitting on the cabin
top, with his feet in the water wearing a tee shirt with a slogan
written on it.
The slogan was ` Trust me. I`m a pilot`
Still laughing
Pat.
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| From: | "JR" <jrsmith2(at)triad.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John W's Mounument Valley Trip Photos |
Thank you Dan, I would like a CD when you finish them. Let me know what
it cost.
My address is:
JR Smith
3007 Robin Hood Drive
Greensboro, NC 27408
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan G.
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:30 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: John W's Mounument Valley Trip Photos
Beverly Williamson has the memory sticks with the photos that John
took during his MV trip. Their son put some of them on John's website -
if you'd like to view them, click on the Scheduled Flights in 2008 link
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot/
I've offered to put the photos on CD for those who would like them.
Please reply to me off list with your name and address and I'll start a
list. I plan to mail them out in a few weeks if the list is not too
long.
Thanks,
Dan Gilb
503 F2
Tucson, AZ
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| From: | "thumb" <bill_joe(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: John W's Mounument Valley Trip Photos |
Dan you can add me to that list too.
Bill Futrell
15052 Copeland Way
Brooksville Fla 34604
----- Original Message -----
From: JR
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: John W's Mounument Valley Trip Photos
Thank you Dan, I would like a CD when you finish them. Let me know
what it cost.
My address is:
JR Smith
3007 Robin Hood Drive
Greensboro, NC 27408
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan G.
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:30 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: John W's Mounument Valley Trip Photos
Beverly Williamson has the memory sticks with the photos that John
took during his MV trip. Their son put some of them on John's website -
if you'd like to view them, click on the Scheduled Flights in 2008 link
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot/
I've offered to put the photos on CD for those who would like them.
Please reply to me off list with your name and address and I'll start a
list. I plan to mail them out in a few weeks if the list is not too
long.
Thanks,
Dan Gilb
503 F2
Tucson, AZ
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| From: | <kcooper(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Missing Lord Mounts for 582 |
All,
Somehow during my 10 year build of my SS I have misplaced my 582 Engine Lord
mounts. Probably mounted on my tractor somewhere. Does anyone have a part
number? My prints and inventory show nothing. I want to make sure that I
have the right parts. I'm finally getting ready to mount my engine and
probably could of used some new ones anyway. I'm off camping for the next
couple of days so sorry for the lack of a quick response.
Appreciate the help,
Dan Cooper SS SN 17 Wellsboro, PA
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Missing Lord Mounts for 582 |
Dan:
I'd give Travis a call at TNK. He will fix you right up.
john h
mkIII
Somehow during my 10 year build of my SS I have misplaced my 582 Engine
Lord mounts. Dan Cooper SS SN 17 Wellsboro, PA
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| From: | "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Missing Lord Mounts for 582 |
Dan,
TNK keeps them in stock. There are three different mounts that are
dimensionally identical with different hardnesses of rubber. Give
Travis a call and He will have them in a box with your address on it
before you get off the phone.
Steven Green
Mark III 912S
550 hrs
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Intercept flight over the firing range |
Greetings,
Dave R. took this picture yesterday from my FireStar.
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II
El Paso, TX
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> Got back home in PA after a very good trip around the southern states.
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
Hi Terry:
Was a very pleasant surprise to see you and your wife in my driveway.
I thoroughly enjoyed your visit.
You all are welcome back anytime. Next time, plan on staying longer.
Glad you all had a good, safe trip.
Take care,
john h
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> Glad you all had a good, safe trip.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
Kolb Gang:
My appologies.
Assumed the email I replied to was a bc from Terry.
20,000 xin loi (excuse me's in Vietnamese/GI slang),
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Michael Adams" <altojazz35(at)earthlink.net> |
For those who like to watch videos of Kolb Firestars, I have a new video
posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdW_CyLOz8Q
or visit http://www.youtube.com/user/stlmusic to see more videos.
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| From: | "Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)" <travis(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
Thanks Michael for the great videos.
Kind Regards
Travis @ Kolb
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Adams
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: New video
For those who like to watch videos of Kolb Firestars, I have a new
video posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdW_CyLOz8Q
or visit http://www.youtube.com/user/stlmusic to see more videos.
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| Subject: | Unbelievable Aviation Laws |
| From: | "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
<< There was a serious proposal from the RFC that Stonehenge (all of
20ft high) be removed as a danger to flying. Cheers, Pat >>
Hi, Pat -
Glad to hear that we are not the only country with aviation-ignorant
bureaucrats making the laws.
Here in the USA, an opposite sort of situation occurred, although
equally ridiculous.
In Biloxi, Mississippi, a 20-story casino/hotel went up almost
overnight, and in a spot that was DIRECTLY along the final approach path
to the main runway for Keesler Air Force Base, and within a half mile.
Local political greed being what it is, this was done without any
communication or coordination with the US Air Force, who would have
protested vehemently about the proximity of such a high-rise on short
final to the runway.
Following unsuccessful attempts to have the hotel moved, the Air Force
finally gave up. Now, the official published procedure for landing at
Keesler on that runway is to approach at an angle 20-degrees off runway
centerline, then align with runway heading when you cross over the
numbers. Although this would be easy in a Kolb (gotta keep this thread
Kolb-related) or any other general aviation aircraft, it is an
especially unsettling maneuver for the KC-135 tankers that primarily use
that base.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul, in
Cedar Crest, New Mexico
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| Subject: | Re: Intercept flight over the firing range |
| From: | "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com> |
It's just amazing how reliable Will's FireStar II is. I have been using this aircraft
every year since 911, it's made every mission without fail. Thanks Homer
Kolb.
Dave "Skeeter" Rains
--------
Dave Rains
N8086T
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| Subject: | Nauga Field Fly Around - in 10 days! |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Well time is flying fast now.
The second annual Nauga Field Fly Around will be held July 11, 12, & 13th.
Location is south of St. Francisville, LA in the community of Starhill, LA.
Nauga Field - LS35
1550 ft. runway with obstacles both ends.
Folks planning to attend:
John Hauck Mark IIIC Titus, AL
James Tripp Firestar Millbrook, AL (next year Mark III)
Steven Green Mark IIIC Etowah, TN
Gary Haley Mark IIIC Houston, TX
Jimmy Young Firestar Houston, TX (trailering)
Ken Korenek Titan Dallas, TX (2005 Oshkosh Light Plane Grand Champion)
A few locals.
If I left anyone off the list, let me know so we can get the menus and groceries
right. T-shirts are ordered. Hope the weather cooperates.
For those that have never attended. Here are some rough videos. Sorry about the
poor quality and shake. These are my first attempts and it was a bit thermally.
I'm learning and experimenting. Will give you a rough idea of what to
expect.
For landing, the preferred RWY is 14 (to SE). Obstacles are further back and a
makes is a little easier. Not enough difference to try to land downwind.
The preferred RWY for takeoff is RWY 32 (to NW). Mostly because of available emergency
landing options.
Take off runway 32:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EMGPQEtvdY&feature=user
Landing runway 14:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhX9-JMs7xA&feature=user
You should be able to notice from the airspeed indicator that these are not maximum
performance takeoff and landing (no braking!). Trying not to let out secrets
so I can try to take the trophy away from John Hauck for the shortest landing
last year. I'm pretty sure the lighter Firestar's will give him some stiff
competition.
Hope everyone can make it. Above all be safe.
Should be able to put most folks up in bunks, spare rooms, etc. Don't need to
pack a tent except for RON's to/from Nauga Field.
The community of Starhill, my wife, and I are looking forward to the weekend.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 12:41 PM 7/1/2008, Michael Adams wrote:
>For those who like to watch videos of Kolb Firestars, I have a new video
>posted.
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdW_CyLOz8Q>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdW_CyLOz8Q
Nice. What kind of camera, and how did you mount it?
I just posted a new one today, not flying but definitely Kolb related:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3ma4FioJno
-Dana
--
We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Coast Guard Intercept |
Today Skeeter was intercepted by "Biel" Coast Guard. This while training
the military to protect the nations capital. When intercepted, the light board
on the helicopter flashed, "Hey Skeeter, I'd turn back if I were you!" Nice
personal touch.
Today the weather was better then yesterday because Dave didn't have to fly
in the rain and around thunderstorms.
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Unbelievable Aviation Laws |
<< There was a serious proposal from the RFC that Stonehenge (all of
20ft high) be removed as a danger to flying. Cheers, Pat >>
Hi, Pat -
Glad to hear that we are not the only country with aviation-ignorant
bureaucrats making the laws.>>
Hi,
although bureaucrats are usually responsible for a SNAFU in this case it was
the RFC, the Royal Flying Corps who made the request. The RFC`s No 1
Training Wing was close by and I suppose there were tyros struggling around
the area at nought feet. Engines were notoriously unreliable and although
the pilots must have found hitting a tree or a hedge an acceptable risk,
smacking into a few tons of stone could make your eyes water. In general it
was a great place for flying training. Miles of open rolling downland. There
are still a few airfields in the area, and quite a lot of it is used for
military training including air attacks..
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Update on my flying lessons. |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
I took my Sport Pilot Written test last Thursday and made a 93% on it. So thats
out of the way! I didn't do as good as Crystal on her Private exam. [Wink]
It looks like I have about 2 more lessons before the Check ride. I have to
solo and then get 2 hours instruction with another SP instructor so he can sign
me off to take the check ride with my instructor which also happens to be the
examiner.
I look forward to getting the SP license and bringing my plane home. I am tired
of driving 4 hrs round trip to fly!
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| Subject: | Re: Update on my flying lessons. |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
Kolb mkIII in quitman,GA moving to Americus GA once my training is over.
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| Subject: | Fatal Ultralight crash in North Georgia |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/article/6799/
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| Subject: | Re: Update on my flying lessons. |
| From: | "Dwight" <haydend(at)charter.net> |
congrats Grant. You'll be flyin solo in no time
Dwight
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Unbelievable Aviation Laws |
a drink at the Coronado Hotel in San Diego, where you can look DOWN on
transport aircraft on final?>>
Hi Russ,
not the Coronado but last year we sat out on that spit of land the
marines extended in the `40`s to protect San Diego Harbour and watched
the planes disappearing among the buildings. Didn`t get the opportunity
to get closer. Apart from flying in there from LA. It was the first stop
on our tour which took us to Monument Valley
Can`t remember the name of the place. Old age is a terrible thing.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Unbelievable Aviation Laws |
Old age may be terrible, but it's better than nothing! --
like "Halitosis is better than no breath at all,"
I once saw a needlepoint that said OLD AGE AIN'T FOR SISSIES
Couldn't agree more.
Best, Russ
On Jul 3, 2008, at 7:38 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
> a drink at the Coronado Hotel in San Diego, where you can look
> DOWN on transport aircraft on final?>>
>
> Hi Russ,
> not the Coronado but last year we sat out on that spit of land the
> marines extended in the `40`s to protect San Diego Harbour and
> watched the planes disappearing among the buildings. Didn`t get the
> opportunity to get closer. Apart from flying in there from LA. It
> was the first stop on our tour which took us to Monument Valley
> Can`t remember the name of the place. Old age is a terrible thing.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russ Kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Unbelievable Aviation Laws |
Sorry, List, that was meant to be off-list. My apologies
do not srchive
On Jul 3, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Russ Kinne wrote:
> Old age may be terrible, but it's better than nothing! --
> like "Halitosis is better than no breath at all,"
> I once saw a needlepoint that said OLD AGE AIN'T FOR SISSIES
> Couldn't agree more.
> Best, Russ
>
>
> On Jul 3, 2008, at 7:38 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
>> a drink at the Coronado Hotel in San Diego, where you can look
>> DOWN on transport aircraft on final?>>
>>
>> Hi Russ,
>> not the Coronado but last year we sat out on that spit of land the
>> marines extended in the `40`s to protect San Diego Harbour and
>> watched the planes disappearing among the buildings. Didn`t get
>> the opportunity to get closer. Apart from flying in there from LA.
>> It was the first stop on our tour which took us to Monument Valley
>> Can`t remember the name of the place. Old age is a terrible thing.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
>> www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fatal Ultralight crash in North Georgia |
Because of the popularity of the ultralight hobby, crashes of this type of a
irplane are not unusual in White County. O=99Brien said the last incid
ent happened "a couple of years ago."
The problem with such planes, he said, is that if something goes wrong, ther
e are no safety features to protect the pilot.
"It=99s like a hang glider with an engine," he said.
Sounds like someone in the local area should have a talk with sheriff O'bria
n and elevate his IQ
steve
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Subject: Kolb-List: Fatal Ultralight crash in North Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Update on my flying lessons. |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
Congratulations Grant! To celebrate getting our pilot certificates we'll have
to have a South Georgia Kolb Fly-in!
I'm in Waycross, you're in Americus, and someone else wrote me from Donalsonville
(lost the email...who was that?). Any others?
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Re: Fatal Ultralight crash in North Georgia |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve Boetto wrote:
>
> "Its like a hang glider with an engine," he said.
>
>
That guy definitely needs to be educated on small experimental aircraft... They
don't glide anywhere near as well as a hang glider ;)
Not to mention the fact that I cant remember the last time I put my feet down and
ran along the runway to land my Kolb !
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | TK <tkrolfe(at)toast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Unbelievable Aviation Laws |
Russ Kinne wrote:
> Sorry, List, that was meant to be off-list. My apologies
> do not srchive
>
>
> On Jul 3, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Russ Kinne wrote:
>
>> Old age may be terrible, but it's better than nothing! --
>> like "Halitosis is better than no breath at all,"
>> I once saw a needlepoint that said OLD AGE AIN'T FOR SISSIES
>> Couldn't agree more.
>> Best, Russ
>>
Russ,
In the spirit of what John Hauck has asked in the past, how about
identifying yourself by what you fly and how much experience you have.
You have made over 70 postings to the Kolb List in the last two months
with all kinds of sage observations and advice, but not stating from
which you achieved this wisdom. I would be willing to learn!!
This from someone who ignores a reasonable request to not impose
themselves on the Homer Kolb family by staying overnight at our fly-in
there!
Terry - Firefly #95
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fatal Ultralight crash in North Georgia |
That guy definitely needs to be educated on small experimental aircraft..>
Some hope! This is newspaper reporter you are talking about. In general
they are beyond educating..
A journalist is a man who would rather write a thousand words of imaginary
description than check one fact.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Gyrocopter intercept |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
I was intercepted today by AF gyro. :)
just kidding
Gyrocopter flew with me to Alma today on my first cross country in my Kolb Mark
II Twinstar.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | density altitude |
Flying from Brigham City at over 4000 ft elevation and hot as blazes out
side made me think of a formula to figure Density altitude easily.
years ago I found an article that had a formula to help figure Density
Altitude. " DA= E+(66*(T-(59-(E*0.0054))))"
where:
* = Multiply
DA = Density Altitude
E = elevation in feet
T = Temp in deg F
0.0054 = laps rate per ft(or 5.4 Deg / 1000 ft)
A faa article on DA stated 3.6 deg Per 1000 ft. instead of 5.4 DEG F /
1000 I guess I don't know why the difference in the 2 articles.. unless
the laps rate changes with humidity levels. using 5.4 in place of 3.6 would
allow for greater safety margins.
anyway I did some math skills on the formula and came out with something
that is not as plain to understand, maybe. but is a lot easier to
accomplish with a very simple calculator. the results seem to be the same.
DA= E*.0054 - 59 + T * 66 + E
boyd young
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIII C 525+ hours and counting
Brigham City Utah.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan |
Farewell, Grey Baron!
I was fortunate to have crossed paths with you.
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan
> It is with great sorrow that I tell you that Bob passed away
> yesterday, July 4th, at a hospital in Harrisonburg, Virginia. His
> death was peaceful and without pain.
> No viewing or funeral will be held. A memorial service may be held in
> several weeks.
> It was his wish that his ashes be flown over the Shenandoah Valley.
> Condolences can be sent to:
> Mrs. Robert O. Noyer (Jo)
> 1316 Darlington Drive
> Winchester, Va 22603
>
> An obituary will be posted in the Winchester Star in the next several
> days.
>
> If you wish to follow-up on this email please address a response to
> me directly at:
> snrosenbaum(at)earthlink.net
>
> Thank you,
> Susan Rosenbaum, third daughter
> writing from of the home computer of Bob Noyer
>
> The family would appreciate it if this emailed was forwarded to
> anyone else you think might appreciate this information.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
planecrazzzy wrote:
> Just curious.... Could he "keep up" or did you have to back off the throttle?
> .
> .
> .
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
> .
> .
> .
Mike, My climb rate is MUCH faster, but as far as cruising he can keep up or even
pass me. On the way there I was cruising at 65 but on the way back I cruised
at 60 to save on gas.
It is a RAF 2000 gyrocopter.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | "beauford T" <beauford173(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan |
..we all were, John... He was a class act ...
beauford
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Farewell, Grey Baron!
I was fortunate to have crossed paths with you.
Subject: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan
> writing from of the home computer of Bob Noyer
>
> The family would appreciate it if this emailed was forwarded to
> anyone else you think might appreciate this information.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan |
He was a good, caring and thoughtful man.
BB
On 5, Jul 2008, at 2:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Farewell, Grey Baron!
>
> I was fortunate to have crossed paths with you.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> hauck's holler, alabama
>
>
> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:39 PM
> Subject: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan
>
>
>> It is with great sorrow that I tell you that Bob passed away
>> yesterday, July 4th, at a hospital in Harrisonburg, Virginia. His
>> death was peaceful and without pain.
>> No viewing or funeral will be held. A memorial service may be held
>> in several weeks.
>> It was his wish that his ashes be flown over the Shenandoah Valley.
>> Condolences can be sent to:
>> Mrs. Robert O. Noyer (Jo)
>> 1316 Darlington Drive
>> Winchester, Va 22603
>> An obituary will be posted in the Winchester Star in the next
>> several days.
>> If you wish to follow-up on this email please address a response
>> to me directly at:
>> snrosenbaum(at)earthlink.net
>> Thank you,
>> Susan Rosenbaum, third daughter
>> writing from of the home computer of Bob Noyer
>> The family would appreciate it if this emailed was forwarded to
>> anyone else you think might appreciate this information.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan |
I had the joy of exchanging several emails with Bob over the years
and, with them, several stories of our respective aviation adventures.
He was a gifted story-teller and I will miss hearing new stories.
His body may be gone, but his spirit will be with us forever.
-- Robert
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:07 PM, robert bean wrote:
>
> He was a good, caring and thoughtful man.
> BB
>
> On 5, Jul 2008, at 2:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>>
>> Farewell, Grey Baron!
>>
>> I was fortunate to have crossed paths with you.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> hauck's holler, alabama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:39 PM
>> Subject: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan
>>
>>
>>> It is with great sorrow that I tell you that Bob passed away yesterday,
>>> July 4th, at a hospital in Harrisonburg, Virginia. His death was peaceful
>>> and without pain.
>>> No viewing or funeral will be held. A memorial service may be held in
>>> several weeks.
>>> It was his wish that his ashes be flown over the Shenandoah Valley.
>>> Condolences can be sent to:
>>> Mrs. Robert O. Noyer (Jo)
>>> 1316 Darlington Drive
>>> Winchester, Va 22603
>>> An obituary will be posted in the Winchester Star in the next several
>>> days.
>>> If you wish to follow-up on this email please address a response to me
>>> directly at:
>>> snrosenbaum(at)earthlink.net
>>> Thank you,
>>> Susan Rosenbaum, third daughter
>>> writing from of the home computer of Bob Noyer
>>> The family would appreciate it if this emailed was forwarded to anyone
>>> else you think might appreciate this information.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er, um....
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
I just flew my 503 powered MKII and I only cruise at about 45 mph on the GPS at
5200 rpm. At 6200 I can get 60 mph but no faster. Do these numbers sound like
what others are seeing? I have a 3 blade IVO prop. Average fuel burn looks
to be 3 gph.
--
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
Schleicher ASW-15
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com>
>
>
> planecrazzzy wrote:
> > Just curious.... Could he "keep up" or did you have to back off the throttle?
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > Gotta Fly...
> > Mike & "Jaz" in MN
> > .
> > .
> > .
>
>
> Mike, My climb rate is MUCH faster, but as far as cruising he can keep up or
> even pass me. On the way there I was cruising at 65 but on the way back I
> cruised at 60 to save on gas.
> It is a RAF 2000 gyrocopter.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Mark II Twinstar
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191327#191327
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com> |
gliderx5 wrote:
> I just flew my 503 powered MKII and I only cruise at about 45 mph on the GPS
at 5200 rpm. At 6200 I can get 60 mph but no faster. Do these numbers sound like
what others are seeing? I have a 3 blade IVO prop. Average fuel burn looks
to be 3 gph.
>
> --
> Malcolm Morrison
> http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
> Schleicher ASW-15
> Pietenpol Air Camper
> Kolb MKII
>
>
Malcolm, On the way there my rpm was showing 6000 and I was cruising at 65mph on
my ASI (and the GPS registered anywhere from 47 to 65).
On the way back my rpm was around 5700-5800 and I was cruising at 60mph on my ASI.
I have a 66inch wood prop. At the rate I was going I burned approximately
4 GPH.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan |
He was a GOOD MAN and he managed to fly almost to the end , may he fly on w
ith a fair wind and a smile on his face- . Chris=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Origina
l Message ----=0AFrom: Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@
matronics.com; snrosenbaum(at)earthlink.net=0ASent: Saturday, July 5, 2008 5:4
0:12 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan
>=0A=0AI had the joy of exchanging several emails with Bob over the years
=0Aand, with them, several stories of our respective aviation adventures.
=0AHe was a gifted story-teller and I will miss hearing new stories.=0AHis
body may be gone, but his spirit will be with us forever.=0A=0A- -- Rober
t=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:07 PM, robert bean =0A>=0A> He was a good, caring and thoughtful man.=0A> BB=0A>=0A> On
5, Jul 2008, at 2:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:=0A>=0A>> --> Kolb-List message
posted by: "John Hauck" =0A>>=0A>> Farewell, Grey Bar
on!=0A>>=0A>> I was fortunate to have crossed paths with you.=0A>>=0A>> joh
n h=0A>> mkIII=0A>> hauck's holler, alabama=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> Sent:
Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:39 PM=0A>> Subject: Bob Noyer - from his daughter
Susan=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>> It is with great sorrow that I tell you that Bob pas
sed away- yesterday,=0A>>> July 4th, at a hospital in Harrisonburg, Virgi
nia. His- death was peaceful=0A>>> and without pain.=0A>>> No viewing or
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
Maybe I should try more prop pitch. My CHTs are 300 but my EGTs peak at 1200 (1100
at full power climb). I have home made streamlined struts, but no other
"speed" mode. I don't have a VSI, but I will do some timed climbs to see what
type of performance I'm getting. What are you seeing for climb rate? If I could
get the cruise up to 55 that would be huge!
--
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
Schleicher ASW-15
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII
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From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com>
>
>
> gliderx5 wrote:
> > I just flew my 503 powered MKII and I only cruise at about 45 mph on the GPS
> at 5200 rpm. At 6200 I can get 60 mph but no faster. Do these numbers sound
> like what others are seeing? I have a 3 blade IVO prop. Average fuel burn
> looks to be 3 gph.
> >
> > --
> > Malcolm Morrison
> > http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
> > Schleicher ASW-15
> > Pietenpol Air Camper
> > Kolb MKII
> >
> >
>
>
> Malcolm, On the way there my rpm was showing 6000 and I was cruising at 65mph
on
> my ASI (and the GPS registered anywhere from 47 to 65).
> On the way back my rpm was around 5700-5800 and I was cruising at 60mph on my
> ASI. I have a 66inch wood prop. At the rate I was going I burned approximately
> 4 GPH.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Mark II Twinstar
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191355#191355
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Try increasing your pitch, it does not take long, and you can always put it back
if you dont like it.
I decreased the pitch on my 912-s a couple weeks ago to get full RPM on takeoff
and climb out.... It got me a couple more hundred FPM in climb, but cruise
sucked, I had to run a bunch more power just to get the same cruise I did before.
I put the pitch back for 5200 RPM on climb out, it restored my cruise speed
with lower power settings.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | gary aman <gaman(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
Might be helpful to know the top RPM on climb out.
----- Original Message ----
From: "gliderx5(at)comcast.net" <gliderx5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2008 7:48:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gyrocopter intercept
Maybe I should try more prop pitch. My CHTs are 300 but my EGTs peak at 1200 (1100
at full power climb). I have home made streamlined struts, but no other
"speed" mode. I don't have a VSI, but I will do some timed climbs to see what
type of performance I'm getting. What are you seeing for climb rate? If I could
get the cruise up to 55 that would be huge!
--
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
Schleicher ASW-15
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)juno.com>
>
>
> gliderx5 wrote:
> > I just flew my 503 powered MKII and I only cruise at about 45 mph on the GPS
> at 5200 rpm. At 6200 I can get 60 mph but no faster. Do these numbers sound
> like what others are seeing? I have a 3 blade IVO prop. Average fuel burn
> looks to be 3 gph.
> >
> > --
> > Malcolm Morrison
> > http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
> > Schleicher ASW-15
> > Pietenpol Air Camper
> > Kolb MKII
> >
> >
>
>
> Malcolm, On the way there my rpm was showing 6000 and I was cruising at 65mph
on
> my ASI (and the GPS registered anywhere from 47 to 65).
> On the way back my rpm was around 5700-5800 and I was cruising at 60mph on my
> ASI. I have a 66inch wood prop. At the rate I was going I burned approximately
> 4 GPH.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Mark II Twinstar
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191355#191355
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
----- Original Message -----
From: <gliderx5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gyrocopter intercept
>
> Maybe I should try more prop pitch. My CHTs are 300 but my EGTs peak at
> 1200 (1100 at full power climb). I have home made streamlined struts, but
> no other "speed" mode. I don't have a VSI, but I will do some timed
> climbs to see what type of performance I'm getting. What are you seeing
> for climb rate? If I could get the cruise up to 55 that would be huge!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds as though you might be a bit lean on your midrange. You might try to
raise your jet needle one notch.
Larry C
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Life |
trouble getting the engine started after the FireFly had set in the hangar
for a couple of weeks. >>
Hi Jack,
you are OK with a mains supply to your trickle charger..
For those like me who hangar in afield with no such luxuries this may be
interesting. I had a charging point installed in my Xtra and I have fixed a
small solar panel on the roof of the hangar that provides power to an
ordinary car plug. The sort that plugs into a cigar socket. Seems to work
even here in rainy overcast England.
The plug hangs from the hangar roof conveniently placed to plug in. I have
in mind a system to lift the spare cable clear of the plane when I push her
out, otherwise the cable might remove the VG`s from the top of the wing.
Perish the thought.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
Nope, don't mess with your carb till you get your prop set up
correctly. Your top speed indicates that you do not have the optimum
prop configuration. Unless your prop diameter is less than 66"
diameter you will do significantly better with two blades than with
three. What you need is more prop pitch.
Gene
On Jul 5, 2008, at 11:45 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> >
>
>
> Sounds as though you might be a bit lean on your midrange. You might
> try to raise your jet needle one notch.
> Larry C
>
>
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Life |
>
>So Jack..... Why didn't you just pull the rope or Hand prop it for the one flight.....and
git yer batt later..???
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
>
>PS I was SHOCKED to hear you have Elec Start....
>That ALOT of weight...
>.
Mike,
No rope to pull. I thought about tying it to the pickup truck and hand
propping. But since I had never done it before, I thought it might be
better if someone was around when I did it. So I passed it up for the
day.
One reason I can make the weight limit is that I don't have a manual rope
pull start. The Victor 1+ does not come with one.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
Quick update
I added a half turn more pitch to the 3 blade IVO and my 5200 RPM cruise went from
45 to 50 MPH. My top speed went from 60 to 65 MPH. Climb still good (not
sure of the rate). EGTs quite a bit cooler, but engine running rough in the
mid range. I think it's too rich now. I will try dropping the needle 1 notch
later this week.
--
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
Schleicher ASW-15
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Eugene Zimmerman <ez(at)embarqmail.com>
>
> Nope, don't mess with your carb till you get your prop set up
> correctly. Your top speed indicates that you do not have the optimum
> prop configuration. Unless your prop diameter is less than 66"
> diameter you will do significantly better with two blades than with
> three. What you need is more prop pitch.
>
>
> Gene
>
> On Jul 5, 2008, at 11:45 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sounds as though you might be a bit lean on your midrange. You might
> > try to raise your jet needle one notch.
> > Larry C
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
----- Original Message -----
From: <gliderx5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gyrocopter intercept
>
> Quick update
>
> I added a half turn more pitch to the 3 blade IVO and my 5200 RPM cruise
> went from 45 to 50 MPH. My top speed went from 60 to 65 MPH. Climb still
> good (not sure of the rate). EGTs quite a bit cooler, but engine running
> rough in the mid range. I think it's too rich now. I will try dropping
> the needle 1 notch later this week.
Who would have thunk it? :-) Seriously though, you can do a lot with fine
tuning of your carbs with pitch, but a 100 degree difference between the
midrange and high range is a bit much to accomplish. Keep in mind that the
most dangerous to your engine is the midrange since that is the area where
your attention is likely to be diverted to the ground coming up at you in
landings. The easiest way to tell if you are too lean is to use your
enrichner circuit when the temps go up. If the temp go down then you need to
lower your clip to raise your needle, if it runs rougher then you are indeed
too rich. You may have to do some adjusting with your main jets to get your
high range where it needs to be. I personally prefer 1050 to 1100 for WOT,
and the same for the midrange. Cht's should be in the 330 range. 6300 RPM's
static. Your and others preference may be different.
Like Beauford says-
Worth what ye paid for it.
Larry C
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
Does that RAF have a horizontal stabilizer on it? If it doesn't don't fly in
it. That particular gyroplane has killed many high time pilots. Its unstable without
the H stab on it.
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| Subject: | I soloed Saturday! |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
Saturday 7-5-08 I soloed my Kolb MarkIII! Prior to my flight we had strong gusty winds and T storms in the area will strong downdrafts and frequent lighting. We had decided to call it a day and head home but the wind died down to less than 3mph and the storms dissipated. My Instructor Danny Tyre and I decided to take a flight around the pattern to see how the wind was in the pattern. After determining it was good. We proceeded to make 3 landings and one emergency landing. After the last landing we headed back to the hanger and loaded my plane with some weight to get the cg in the safe range for my solo flight. Once we had the weight secured I strapped in ran down my check list and headed out to the runway. The Mk III flew much better losing 70 pounds of weight. I made 2 full stop takeoffs and landings. Both takeoffs and landings were on the asphalt and were both real nice and smooth. I am very excited about the Solo. Danny is an excellent instructor! On my solo it really felt like Danny was in the plane with me. Thats how comfortable I felt flying solo. Prior to getting in the plane for the solo I was feeling moderately nervous but not too bad. One I got in the plane I felt very confident. I have attached pictures Danny took of my solo. Danny takes very good pictures. Some of these are a tad dark due to the low light. http://www.flickr.com/photos/11569584@N03/sets/72157606020039760/detail/
Click the pictures to see a lager version.
Grant
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| From: | "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: I soloed Saturday! |
Congratulations .Nothing can replace that first flight by your self. Your
instructor will always be on your shoulder.
You picked a great machine to solo in. you did better than me. Istill prefer
the grass to land on. I have never put weight in the Kolb when flying solo.
I may be heavier than you. I am about 85Kg or about 190lb. Performance 1 up
is great. Time in the seat is the best thing now . Keep it up.
Tony
Downunder
MK111
400+ hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:45 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: I soloed Saturday!
>
> Saturday 7-5-08 I soloed my Kolb MarkIII! Prior to my flight we had strong
> gusty winds and T storms in the area will strong downdrafts and frequent
> lighting. We had decided to call it a day and head home but the wind died
> down to less than 3mph and the storms dissipated. My Instructor Danny Tyre
> and I decided to take a flight around the pattern to see how the wind was
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