Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-ic
March 25, 2009 - April 08, 2009
>
>
> > Wing leveling corrections are understandable and are common to all
>> craft but
>> watching the ASI go from 40 to 80 in a matter of seconds is not
>> comfortable.
>> BB, always bitchin about sumthin
>
>
> Hey Bob!
>
> Might be that unconventional power plant. ;-)
>
> Seriously, and I'll try my best to be, that is not a common problem
> with Kolb aircraft, of any model, that I am aware of.
>
> I don't like rough air either, but in most cases, if you are going
> to get where you are going, ya gotta fly...
>
> John W and I had a unwritten law of anything over 25 mph ground
> speed was reason for staying on the ground. We demonstrated that
> May 2008, when we spent three days waiting for the wind to subside
> at Ontario, OR. The wind averaged about 45 mph for all three days
> and nights. Got used to walking around at odd angles.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
> That kind of air brings up my only complaint regarding my Kolb.
> Strong up/down drafts involve
> what I consider to be excessive pitch changes and corrections.
> Whether it is a symptom
> of only my individual airplane is open to question. I would prefer
> that the result of a
> sudden boost from below would involve less noticeable speed and pitch
> changes.
> Wing leveling corrections are understandable and are common to all
> craft but
> watching the ASI go from 40 to 80 in a matter of seconds is not
> comfortable.
> BB, always bitchin about sumthin
>
My FSII did that as well in thermally conditions, but then again the Kolb isn't
an Edge 540 as far as control authority goes.
The last time I flew my FSII in midday thermals was one hot day back in TX and
that was indeed the last time I ever did that.
The titan has significantly higher limits in stuff like that, but even then I prefer
not to battle airmasses that are trying to slam the plane into the ground
while I'm trying to land.
The trip back here to NM from nebraska, I ran into the midday stuff over Kansas,
as that was about 1 or 2 in the afternoon when I was out in that particular
area. I had it slowed down to 90 and even 85mph, and I was still getting popped
up into the shoulder straps from time to time.
I've just accepted over the years that I don't like flying on the edge of control.
Regular full-stop control movements just to maintain flight or keep the plane
out of the dirt isn't a region I like to be in. I'm ok being a wuss nowadays.
but in good smooth air, there wasn't a much more fun plane to climb into than my
FSII. Even after I'd bought the titan and before I had to sell er, I was usually
in the FSII in late afternoons shooting wheel landings or sightseeing rather
than the other plane.
I can tell I'm pining away for that plane a bit. The firefly idea keeps coming
back too...
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
I hate being throw up in the shoulder harness! I hate roller coasters and thats
what it feels like when the negative Gs occur! :(
My asi didn't fluctuate much over 10mph and the fluctuations were mostly positive
gaining asi. Strong up/down drafts do not seem to be that big of an issue
in my plane. There are times when I have to be aggressive with fore or aft stick
to overcome a vertical gust but for the most part I only make minor pitch changes
to maintain a stable pitch attitude.
I did have a lot of horizontal gust which was causing my plane to yaw around a
bit. You can see it happen alot in the videos. Just the ole girl wagging her tail.
[Wink]
I guess thats just a matter of where you are in relationship to the up or down
draft as to how it affects the airplane's axes
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| From: | Jon LaVasseur <firestar503(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Air Force base open to civilains for two days in May |
FYI
The Ellsworth Air Force base at Rapid City SD is allowing civilians to fly in on
May 23 &24 of the Memorial Day weekend. All you need is a radio.
Arrival is morning. There will be lots of exhibits and the Thunderbirds will put
on a show. You do need to submita waiver tothe AirForce releasing them ofresponsibility.Complete
details are not yet finalized but you can get information
from EAA39.org site.
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
>
>I am guilty of flying too low also. 25 mph wind over the flatlands
>is fine.
>When the terrain is bumpy it's time to climb.
>The lumpiest part of most of my rides is when I descend to the
>rolling hillsides
>returning to my home strip.
>BB
Bob,
In southeast Missouri I always flew mid day because the airport was 37 miles
away. With the original ailerons, the FireFly could not be controlled in
roll. One had to kick rudder to help lift a wing and so flying mid day was
an exercise in dutch rolls. I found that I could not tolerate an hour or so
of dutch rolls and so mounted nine inch chord ailerons. They were
wonderful. With them the FireFly may bob up and down a little, but with
light stick side pressure, one could keep the wings level. It made mid day
flying very tolerable with out worrying about up chucking.
I have continued to fly at mid day as it is more interesting. If I am going
somewhere, I climb to at least 2,000 feet and mostly to 3,000 feet agl. There
I discovered the thermal and winter weather rolls are greatly abated. By
doing this there is only five to ten minutes of very active air that has to
be tolerated climbing up or gliding down.
The only time I do not feel comfortable in the FireFly is if I do not have
my shoulder straps snug. If I can feel my back coming off the sling seat
back, I get uncomfortable. During turbulent flight, if I do not move
relative the FireFly, I am ok. Weird things will happen, but a bit of
pressure on the stick and/or rudder usually set thing right.
One of the advantages of flying mid day with the thermals, is that you can
pick up about five mph ground speed by following a thermal street.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I have flown my MK III Xtra through mid day thermals, and it has never been a problem
in pitch. The MK III Xtra has very good control in pitch and have only
needed small fore and aft stick pressures to maintain level flight. I have never
ever even come close to using just half stick for pitch control in turbulence.
Roll control in my Kolb was to slow for me, I have never had to use rudder to get
the airplane to roll level in turbulence, but it was slower than I liked so
I added the Aileron Spades. With the addition of aileron spades on my Kolb,
it is very controllable in roll, but being used to flying airplanes with very
responsive ailerons, I am hoping to get a little better roll rate and lighter
roll forces with my wingtip mod which will keep any wingtip vortices off the ailerons.
Time will tell when I do this project.
Remember when flying in thermals, its not just air rising and sinking, the air
is swirling and moving all over the place in horizontal directions as well as
vertical, so some yaw and other weird movements will happen. I never see changes
in airspeed over 10 MPH in turbulence though. Gusts of 40 MPH are reason
not believe the airspeed indicator though, that kind of air movement would result
in severe turbulence even in a heavy jet, and would make a light airplane
unflyable, and is very very rare unless in a thunderstorm or other extreme and
rare condition. Heavier airplanes tend not to get thrown around so much in
turbulence, and the airfoil also has a big effect on this. As John H says, the
flat bottom Kolb wing loves to lift, and if there is a vertical gust, it will
lift the heck out of the plane immediately, more so than other wings ! With
a very high lift, slow speed wing, feeling the bumps comes with the territory.
I like flying in the mornings and evenings, I don't fly mid day unless I need to
go somewhere. Funny thing is my wife actually likes the turbulence, I can let
her fly in the worst mid day stuff I can find and she says she wants more.
One day I told her that is she likes turbulence so much that she should fly under
one of the many thunderstorms we have here in South Florida. She said she
would like to but had doubts as to weather the plane could handle it ! Here
are some pictures flying in some convection induced turbulence, if you notice
the airspeed, I do slow down for turbulence, it helps :)
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country? |
A person takes a mighty big gamble flying cross-country with old charts.
Hi All,
in the UK it is illegal to fly without an up to date chart. Most people
fly with one, not necessarily THAT up to date but i have never heard of
anyone being checked.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com> |
I purchased my MK II in south Ms and flew it there for 6 months before bringing
it home to West Texas. After unloading the plane in the middle of the summer
afternoon, I couldnt resist taking it for a spin. I was shocked as it nearly beat
me to death and my aileron control was very sluggish at times! It didnt take
me long to get back on the ground! I found out pretty quick why they have the
yearly world championship hang gliding competition 20 miles north in Big Springs,
Texas......I am a early morning/ late evening flyer as I like to fly at
1000' agl or lower on my pleasure missions. I try to go up on short flights in
the midday thermals every now and then just to train myself and get used to
the rough air but I am still very uncomfortable. Until a few years ago, I had
owned and flown a Piper Pacer for 10 years and never remember it being that rough,
but then again, most of my flights with the Pacer was climbing up high and
going somewhere.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country? |
At 08:18 AM 3/26/2009, pj.ladd wrote:
>
>in the UK it is illegal to fly without an up to date chart. Most people
>fly with one, not necessarily THAT up to date but i have never heard of
>anyone being checked.
To the best of my knowledge there is no US regulation requiring a chart to
be carried.
Instead we simply have this:
=A7 91.103 Preflight action.
Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar
with all available information concerning that flight. This information
must include=97
(a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport,
weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if
the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of
which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC;
(b) For any flight, runway lengths at airports of intended use, and the
following takeoff and landing distance information:
(1) For civil aircraft for which an approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight
Manual containing takeoff and landing distance data is required, the
takeoff and landing distance data contained therein; and
(2) For civil aircraft other than those specified in paragraph (b)(1) of
this section, other reliable information appropriate to the aircraft,
relating to aircraft performance under expected values of airport elevation
and runway slope, aircraft gross weight, and wind and temperature.
-Dana
--
Hangover: The Wrath of Grapes.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
At 09:13 AM 3/26/2009, ropermike wrote:
>...rough air but I am still very uncomfortable. Until a few years ago, I
>had owned and flown a Piper Pacer for 10 years and never remember it being
>that rough, but then again, most of my flights with the Pacer was climbing
>up high and going somewhere...
Your Pacer had short wings and a much higher wing loading than a Kolb.
-Dana
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Hangover: The Wrath of Grapes.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country? |
I tried to find the reg, but alas, I failed. Maybe some of the more
informed pilots on the Kolb List can pull up this info.
John W was the one who told me about sectionals and GPS's.
He said if your sectional was current, the Jeppesen Data Base in your
GPS did not have to be current.
If your GPS was current, you were not required to have a current
sectional.
However, don't get ramp checked with only an expired sectional or only
an expired Jeppesen Data Base in your GPS, or both.
John W was an excellent source of flying info. He should have been. He
lived and worked with it right out of high school, as an Army Aviator,
for nearly 40 years to the day he died. I have no reason to disagree
with his info.
john h
mkIII
To the best of my knowledge there is no US regulation requiring a
chart to be carried.
-Dana
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country? |
Dana
It would be nice if part 91.103 said up to date chart. What is says is
that you need "all available information" which means no matter what all
information you may have gathered you are likely to have missed
something they could cite you for missing.
I have said this before but If you are a EAA member there is a free
flight planning service that is really worth doing. If your not a member
it may still be well worth using it. You get the latest charts in knee
board format and notams for your route of flight. This is especially
useful if you don't have time to order the latest charts before a
flight. It can also be found at areoplanner.com
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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From: Dana Hague
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD
for X country?
At 08:18 AM 3/26/2009, pj.ladd wrote:
in the UK it is illegal to fly without an up to date chart. Most
people fly with one, not necessarily THAT up to date but i have never
heard of anyone being checked.
To the best of my knowledge there is no US regulation requiring a
chart to be carried.
Instead we simply have this:
=A7 91.103 Preflight action.
Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become
familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This
information must include-
(a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an
airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives
available if the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known
traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC;
(b) For any flight, runway lengths at airports of intended use, and
the following takeoff and landing distance information:
(1) For civil aircraft for which an approved Airplane or Rotorcraft
Flight Manual containing takeoff and landing distance data is required,
the takeoff and landing distance data contained therein; and
(2) For civil aircraft other than those specified in paragraph
(b)(1) of this section, other reliable information appropriate to the
aircraft, relating to aircraft performance under expected values of
airport elevation and runway slope, aircraft gross weight, and wind and
temperature.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Hmm... It sounds to me like Dana is right. There's no specific reg that says you
must carry charts (except for 91.503, but that applies only to big iron jets
and such). There's just the requirement that you get "all available information".
Looks like this can be a De Facto requirement that you have a chart, i.e. you can
get busted under 91.103 if there's a violation and they want to pin you with
that. But that appears to be it.
I'll be darned... I could have sworn it was a hard/fast requirement.....
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Would someone please post the dates for M.V.
I plan to attend but don't know when to be there.
Frank Goodnight
FireStar2
HKS 65 hrs.
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country? |
Instead we simply have this:
=A7 91.103 Preflight action..
Hi Dana. Thats enough to be going on with. I am sure that we have
something similar but the way it actually works is kick the tyres (or
tires) and pull the string.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dates for M.V. |
> Would someone please post the dates for M.V.
> I plan to attend but don't know when to be there.
>
> Frank Goodnight
Here's what was published 19 Dec 08:
2009 Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin Monument Valley 15,16,
17 May 2009.
Those dates are the weekend between Mothers' Day and Memorial Day Weekend.
Although the "official" dates are 15, 16, and 17 May 2009, most of us get
there a day early on Thursday and depart Sunday morning (14-17 May 09).
Frank, where are you going to be flying from?
All are welcome. Hope we have a big crowd of Kolb enthusiast. If you
aren't a Kolb enthusiast, you may become one if you hang around us too long.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
It takes a bit of aileron input to correct for some for the gusts. A few points
in the video you can see I am having to just hold the stick to the left to keep
the wing down.
Next time I will get the angle set so you can see my stick inputs better.
I wish the plane did have a quicker roll response.
I guess what we try to avoid is what glider pilots love to get in. I wonder how
rough the air feels in a glider or hang glider.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
grantr wrote:
> I guess I am hard headed but I always wind up going out to fly in mid day conditions.
I hate getting up early and I hate going out late and getting home late
especially with the time change having it get dark around 8 so I choose to
fly in mid day conditions.
>
> I don't know how rough it is in larger planes but it sure gives me a workout
keeping the wings level and the airspeed and altitude constant. The winds were
not bad at 5 to 10mph but thermals were!
>
> Its fun though and I can climb over it. It has helped me flying in these conditions
to become more comfortable with the airplane. The rough air still makes
me a little nervous at times especially low on final when I get a good toss.
>
> I have posted 21 videos! WOW I didnt realize I was enjoying this camera so much.:D
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i83zmWxqpZM&fmt=18
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gvs3PaElJM&fmt=18
Grant,
That did not look like fun. When I flew to the Douglas Fly-In everyone was taking
off around noon or 1 so I thought I'd give it a try although I knew from flying
before in similar conditions that I wouldn't like it. Sure enough I got
in the air and the thermals/winds rolled me to the left and what seemed like
an eternity (but was probably only 3 or 4 seconds) I was finally able to get control
back. I just turned my little tail around and headed for the nice comfy
recliner at the FBO and waited until evening. Then I had a very nice, enjoyable
flight home in the evening.
I'm glad to see other's comments here with similar experiences.
Hey, I also saw your snow video! That was so funny. You must have been really
excited when filming it. That snow chased me all the way from Illinois. I was
driving my car and everytime I stopped it would start snowing or icing. So
I headed east and stopped at Jim Kmet's airport and rested for a few hours.
Woke up around 4am and saw 2-3 inches of snow already building up. So I got back
on the road and plowed my own route through the unplowed mountain roads (being
VERY careful not to fall off the mountain...ha!). And when I finally made
it to Tifton, GA it dried up and we never saw any of it in Waycross.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
grantr wrote:
> It takes a bit of aileron input to correct for some for the gusts. A few points
in the video you can see I am having to just hold the stick to the left to
keep the wing down.
>
> Next time I will get the angle set so you can see my stick inputs better.
>
> I wish the plane did have a quicker roll response.
> I guess what we try to avoid is what glider pilots love to get in. I wonder how
rough the air feels in a glider or hang glider.
In a glider it's nothin.. no matter how rough you don't care in the glider and
just want more. Those things are so stable with those super long wings....
It's just on landing that all the fun you had in the air suddenly goes away.
That's why I basically stopped with sailplanes myself, you have to land in those
conditions because you also have to fly in them. Slamming airplanes onto the
ground is not the kind of fun I want to have.
So I went crawling back to powered flight in the evenings and have never looked
back.
Now a motorglider, on the other hand... that'd give you the best of both worlds
if you really needed to fly in midday conditions......
But who can afford one of those?
We're fine with our small planes I think...
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | Brian Steiner <bksss(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | How long is a folded mark 111 classic? |
A 6 foot 275 pound person wants to purchase my mark 111 classic. It was a
long distance phone call and he wants to pick it up with a 16 foot car trai
ler. Has anyone hauled a mark 111 on a 16 foot long trailer? Will he be a
ble to fit in the cabin. I do not want him to drive 9 hours and find out t
hat he is too big for it or we can not get it on his trailer. I know that
we will have to make a stand to hold the tail up but am worried that it may
protrude a bit far past the end of the trailer.
Thanks for any help.
Brian
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| Subject: | Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
| From: | Jean PILLAUDIN <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Kolbers,
I read a lot about chute here, don't want to launch again the debat...I know
that at the Kolb's begining pilot save their life with hand launched chute.
I have a question regarding the hand launch rescue chute installation on my
Kolb Ultrastar. I get a chute from ParaDelta Italia, spec are:
Max weight: 250kilos
Max opened speed: 170 km/h
Weight 5kilos
See the drawing NumberOne.jpg : the chute is on a ventrally position on my
thighs, It is fixed to my harness.
The security belt is too long, I do put it on the top near the karabiner
(see NumberThree.jpg) ?
The chute must be removable easily, what is the kind of fixation do i use?
Bests Regards
Jean PILLAUDIN
--
Jean
Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
>
>Next time I will get the angle set so you can see my stick inputs better.
>
>I guess what we try to avoid is what glider pilots love to get in. I wonder
how rough the air feels in a glider or hang glider.
>
It feels great. Loose shoulder straps let you beat your head against the
canopy. Altitude is important, as you are continously flying just above
stall. When something unexpected happens, altitude gives you some time to
figure out what is going on or what to do. The best part is that there is
no engine noise or vibration that mask ones inputs.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
| From: | Jean PILLAUDIN <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com> |
Pffff
The pictures!
2009/3/26 Jean PILLAUDIN
> Hi Kolbers,
>
> I read a lot about chute here, don't want to launch again the debat...I
> know that at the Kolb's begining pilot save their life with hand launched
> chute.
>
> I have a question regarding the hand launch rescue chute installation on my
> Kolb Ultrastar. I get a chute from ParaDelta Italia, spec are:
>
> Max weight: 250kilos
> Max opened speed: 170 km/h
> Weight 5kilos
>
> See the drawing NumberOne.jpg : the chute is on a ventrally position on my
> thighs, It is fixed to my harness.
>
> The security belt is too long, I do put it on the top near the karabiner
> (see NumberThree.jpg) ?
>
> The chute must be removable easily, what is the kind of fixation do i use?
>
> Bests Regards
>
> Jean PILLAUDIN
> --
> Jean
>
> Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Jean
Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
Jean:
I would use a zig-zag fold of about 10-12" to take up the extra length
of the bridal, what you refer to as a security belt. Secure the fold
with a couple nylon tie wraps. Then secure the folded section to a tube
inside the gap seal. The end of the bridal, I would secure the loop
aroung the 2" root tube of the airframe behind your head. That is where
I attached my bridal on my Ultrastar.
john h
mkIII
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From: Jean PILLAUDIN
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute
installation
Pffff
The pictures!
2009/3/26 Jean PILLAUDIN
Hi Kolbers,
I read a lot about chute here, don't want to launch again the
debat...I know that at the Kolb's begining pilot save their life with
hand launched chute.
I have a question regarding the hand launch rescue chute
installation on my Kolb Ultrastar. I get a chute from ParaDelta Italia,
spec are:
Max weight: 250kilos
Max opened speed: 170 km/h
Weight 5kilos
See the drawing NumberOne.jpg : the chute is on a ventrally position
on my thighs, It is fixed to my harness.
The security belt is too long, I do put it on the top near the
karabiner (see NumberThree.jpg) ?
The chute must be removable easily, what is the kind of fixation do
i use?
Bests Regards
Jean PILLAUDIN
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| Subject: | Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic? |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Well....when I pick up my m3x in January I had a 25' enclosed snow mobile trailer
and we had to rig up the rear door to stay open at the top about a foot....a
26 footer would have just made it.If there is any way he can get an enclosed
trailer...tell him to do it! As far as him fitting into it...I am 5' 10" tall
and I fit just fine .I think anyway you look at it he is going to have to try
it on !
Good luck!
chris ambrose
m3x-jab
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| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic? |
Brian, a 16 foot trailer has to have an extension added onto it, at
least 2 feet, then it has to be wide enough for the main gear. I bought
a MK-3C last year from a guy that wasn`t that tall, but had such a large
girth( Belly), he couldn`t reach across to the throttle.
Jim Kmet
Cookeville, TN
2 MK-3C`s
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Steiner
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:10 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: How long is a folded mark 111 classic?
A 6 foot 275 pound person wants to purchase my mark 111 classic. It
was a long distance phone call and he wants to pick it up with a 16 foot
car trailer. Has anyone hauled a mark 111 on a 16 foot long trailer?
Will he be able to fit in the cabin. I do not want him to drive 9 hours
and find out that he is too big for it or we can not get it on his
trailer. I know that we will have to make a stand to hold the tail up
but am worried that it may protrude a bit far past the end of the
trailer.
Thanks for any help.
Brian
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic? |
Brian
Not apples to apples, but my MKII is about 24' folded. The previous owner was about
the size of your buyer, and he was able to fit in and fly it.
Malcolm Morrison
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Steiner" <bksss(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:10:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Kolb-List: How long is a folded mark 111 classic?
A 6 foot 275 pound person wants to purchase my mark 111 classic. It was a long
distance phone call and he wants to pick it up with a 16 foot car trailer. Has
anyone hauled a mark 111 on a 16 foot long trailer? Will he be able to fit in
the cabin. I do not want him to drive 9 hours and find out that he is too big
for it or we can not get it on his trailer. I know that we will have to make
a stand to hold the tail up but am worried that it may protrude a bit far past
the end of the trailer.
Thanks for any help.
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: How long is a folded mark 111 classic? |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
My 26' trailer can fit my MkIII and close the back tailgate, and, when
closed, have just barely enough room to squeeze by if I want to cross to the
other side. But only if you're really skinny.
I've flown 2-up for a total people-weight of about 420 lbs (and I'm 6'
tall), so a single 275 lbs shouldn't be an issue... but, as Jim said,
reaching the throttle might be an issue if the belly is large.
-- Robert
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Brian Steiner wrote:
> A 6 foot 275 pound person wants to purchase my mark 111 classic. It was a
> long distance phone call and he wants to pick it up with a 16 foot car
> trailer. Has anyone hauled a mark 111 on a 16 foot long trailer? Will he
> be able to fit in the cabin. I do not want him to drive 9 hours and find
> out that he is too big for it or we can not get it on his trailer. I know
> that we will have to make a stand to hold the tail up but am worried that it
> may protrude a bit far past the end of the trailer.
> Thanks for any help.
> Brian
>
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft |
Hey folks,
If you recently purchased a plane and plan to visit Florida such as
attending Sun & Fun, you might want to be aware of the follow
regarding their taxing recently purchased visiting aircraft.
jerb
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/region/2009/090326florida.html
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft |
Hey folks,
If you recently purchased a plane and plan to visit Florida such as
attending Sun & Fun, you might want to be aware of the follow
regarding their taxing recently purchased visiting aircraft. Anyone
up on this?
jerb
<http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/region/2009/090326florida.html>
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft |
Yes=2C I recall seeing that Florida levied a 6% tax on people that flew t
heir airplanes and landed at a Florida airport (including visiting aircraft
attending air shows). Maybe it was on this list=2C about 2 years back.
Stinkin' freaking tax thieves.
Here's how it worked: (let's say you landed your new TBM turboprop at S &
F)
If they sent you a tax bill=2C and you thought you were immune just becau
se you lived in another state...you're wrong!! So=2C you'd say "Screw 'em
=2C I'll just not go back into Florida!" Hold on=2C it's not that easy!!
(BTW=2C that's what I thought when California did that to me=2C and billed
me after I moved out of state)
Remember=2C you're talking about "the government". THEY (the thieves) ma
ke the rules!! They just look into your personal records for your social s
ecurity number=2C and put a TAX LIEN on you. This tax lien is immediately
recorded with all three credit bureaus. You won't qualify to buy anything
=2C until that lien is cleared!! (ask me how I know)
To read that this thievery is being repealed is comforting. It's about t
ime!! Now=2C how about a re-vote on the pork-u-lous bill??
Mike Welch
> Hey folks=2C
> If you recently purchased a plane and plan to visit Florida such as
> attending Sun & Fun=2C you might want to be aware of the follow
> regarding their taxing recently purchased visiting aircraft. Anyone
> up on this?
> jerb
>
> <http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/region/2009/090326florida.html>
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Kolb people=2C
A guy that makes these posted this link on a different group site. I thi
nk it may get more exposure on this site=2C for those that are interested.
Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall indicator than airspeed. Here's t
he link:
http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.htm
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft |
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
Yes, it seems that we went through this a couple years ago. It ended up with a
Florida official saying is was only meant for Florida residents IIRC.
Maybe they are really "going for it" now... [Rolling Eyes]
--------
Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| Subject: | Re: Do you have to have a current chart and AFD for X country |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Some instructors erroneously teach (preach) that you must have current sectionals
and current AFD in the airplane but it just isn't true.
Dana's quotation from the FARs is correct, of course. However, having a current
sectional may or may not satisfy that requirement nor an inspector, because the
sectional may not contain all the pertinent information needed for a particular
flight. It does not contain NOTAMS for your intended destination or alternates,
for example.
I've been ramp checked only once, enroute to southern California from Buffalo in
Hays, KS after a night IFR flight. All the FAA inspector wanted to see were
the AR(r)OW documents. He was pleasant and easily satisfied. Your experience may
vary.
We keep a current local sectional in our airplane and rarely cross its borders.
About once a year we update our GPS, sometimes more often.
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that works.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
> Hey, I also saw your snow video! That was so funny. You must have been really
excited when filming it.
Yep giddy as a school girl on a playground :D My Wife and i did have a blast running
around in it and throwing snow balls. Someone down the road made a snow
man. It was nice to see the snow and it was nice to see it go away.
The 1st few times I flew in mid day conditions solo it scared the crap out of me.
Actually on my 2nd solo flight i encountered some rough air and man that made
me nervous. I was literally shaking. Now I get a tad nervous in the real
rough bumps but nothing like before. The more comfortable you become with the
bumpy air the more you will enjoy flying in it as it doesn't bother you as much.
Nothing beats a late afternoon flight or early morning one though. Thats like
sitting in a lounge chair in the sky.
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| From: | Brian Steiner <bksss(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | =?windows-1256?Q?How_long_i?= =?windows-1256?Q?s_a_folded?= |
=?windows-1256?Q?_mark_111_?= =?windows-1256?Q?classic=3F=FE?
Thanks for all the help. He decided to take a trip out my way and check it out
before finding a trailer. I am relieved that he will not be pulling a trailer
a long distance it without seeing it first.
Brian
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AOA indicator |
Mike
I haven't looked through all of my email this
morning...taking them as they come....that said...
I like the simplicity of the angle of attack
indicator on the linked page... except...the
bracket and pickup head are on single
bolts...meaning that with temp; they could
pivot...causing incorrect indications... simple
to fix... use single bolt while adjusting and
then go with double ones.... Herb
At 07:33 AM 3/27/2009, you wrote:
>Kolb people,
>
> A guy that makes these posted this link on a
> different group site. I think it may get more
> exposure on this site, for those that are interested.
> Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall
> indicator than airspeed. Here's the link:
>
><http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.htm>http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.
htm
>
>Mike Welch
>MkIII
>
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- I noticed that the rivets holding the outer end of the drag strut and d
rag strut brackets apparently are regular steel rivets- not stainless steel
.- The wings are about 1986 vintage.- Is this normal, or should they be
changed to stainless?- This is on an original Firestar.- I noticed rus
t on the heads, and a magnet sticks firmly to them.
-
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----------------------- Bill
Sullivan
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----------------------- Winds
or Locks, Ct.
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----------------------- FS 44
7
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
| From: | Jean PILLAUDIN <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com> |
Thank's a lot John, I need to understand all of your sentences, i need time.
I'll reply if something is not clear in my brain =8;O)
Have a good Week-end.
Jean
2009/3/26 John Hauck
> Jean:
>
> I would use a zig-zag fold of about 10-12" to take up the extra length of
> the bridal, what you refer to as a security belt. Secure the fold with a
> couple nylon tie wraps. Then secure the folded section to a tube inside the
> gap seal. The end of the bridal, I would secure the loop aroung the 2" root
> tube of the airframe behind your head. That is where I attached my bridal
> on my Ultrastar.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jean PILLAUDIN
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation
>
> Pffff
>
> The pictures!
>
> 2009/3/26 Jean PILLAUDIN
>
>> Hi Kolbers,
>>
>> I read a lot about chute here, don't want to launch again the debat...I
>> know that at the Kolb's begining pilot save their life with hand launched
>> chute.
>>
>> I have a question regarding the hand launch rescue chute installation on
>> my Kolb Ultrastar. I get a chute from ParaDelta Italia, spec are:
>>
>> Max weight: 250kilos
>> Max opened speed: 170 km/h
>> Weight 5kilos
>>
>> See the drawing NumberOne.jpg : the chute is on a ventrally position on my
>> thighs, It is fixed to my harness.
>>
>> The security belt is too long, I do put it on the top near the karabiner
>> (see NumberThree.jpg) ?
>>
>> The chute must be removable easily, what is the kind of fixation do i use?
>>
>> Bests Regards
>>
>> Jean PILLAUDIN
>> --
>> Jean
>>
>> Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Jean
>
> Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!
>
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>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
The original FS kits shipped with carbon steel pop rivets.
My 1986 FS Kit was shipped with carbon steel, but I opted to spend a little
more money and use SS.
Yes, that was normal 23 years ago.
You'll have to be the judge of whether or not they are still serviceable.
Wing lift strut fittings were also riveted with carbon steel rivets. No do
ubt in my mind what I would do with them after all these years.
john h
mkIII
I noticed that the rivets holding the outer end of the drag strut
and drag strut brackets apparently are regular steel rivets- not stainless
steel. The wings are about 1986 vintage. Is this normal, or should they
be changed to stainless? This is on an original Firestar. I noticed rust
on the heads, and a magnet sticks firmly to them.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
William
I had a vintage Kolb Ultrastar some years ago. I bought it from a
buddy who had stalled it in... It needed a complete uncovering and
some rebuilding...
If I am not mistaken...Steel rivets were the norm for many years
on the early Kolb models. ? .... that said....my impression is
that they do very well.....little corrosion,,,no signs of the dreaded
galvanic effect that is offered by some.. I would have no worries
flying a Kolb built with them...
I notice , in other applications, that steel rivets seem to have
less spring back ...Herb
At 11:54 AM 3/27/2009, you wrote:
> I noticed that the rivets holding the outer end of the drag strut
> and drag strut brackets apparently are regular steel rivets- not
> stainless steel. The wings are about 1986 vintage. Is this
> normal, or should they be changed to stainless? This is on an
> original Firestar. I noticed rust on the heads, and a magnet
> sticks firmly to them.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb List- Rivets |
- Thanks, John.- I am going to change them.- The rusty heads were bot
hering me- what you can't see can hurt you.
-
-------------------------
-------------------------
Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
-------------------------
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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-------------------------
FS 447
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| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Unless you are flying like a fighter pilot pulling high g levels and
possible getting yourself into accelerated stall. You don't need angle of
attack.
Admittedly,, for a fighter pilot, it is still the best,,
but for our type of flying,,, airspeed is good indicator. Keep it
simple. like one less thing to have to worry about. And one less
distraction , and less pilot work load.
Boyd Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Kolb people,
A guy that makes these posted this link on a different group site. I
think it may get more exposure on this site, for those that are interested.
Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall indicator than airspeed. Here's
the link:
http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.htm
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> I notice , in other applications, that steel rivets seem to have
> less spring back ...Herb
Will you explain the above please?
I don't understand what you are talking about.
john h
mkiii
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AOA indicator |
And learn to fly the Kolb before adding lots of goodies and making major c
hanges. Might save you a lot of time, money, and heart ache in the future.
john h
mkiii
Keep it simple. like one less thing to have to worry about. And one le
ss distraction , and less pilot work load.
Boyd Young
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
John
I use a hand riveter...Have a grip like Pop eye.!!
When pulling stainless...I notice that I get more loose rivets
that have to be drilled out... Steel rivets seem to be more
conforming as one would expect...since they are of a softer,milder
composition... Evidenced when drilling out!! By the way...when
were stainless rivets first used as a factory requirement? Herb
At 12:53 PM 3/27/2009, you wrote:
>
>
> > I notice , in other applications, that steel rivets seem to have
>>less spring back ...Herb
>
>Will you explain the above please?
>
>I don't understand what you are talking about.
>
>john h
>mkiii
>
>
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AOA indicator |
John
Dressing up a plane is a bit like dressing up a
motorcycle...Lots of stickers for one.., showing
the name of the engine co, name of oil, prop
used,, favorite parts supplier etc..name of
places we have flown... Gal friends name...etc...
and as we get older...our name and address and phone number...:-)
The only trouble I see with aol is the
distraction one must go thru when adjusting....
I think I would install a small movie camera
during the full stall landings...that are
suggested and necessary...My one full stall
landing required some repairs...:-)
Herb
At 12:57 PM 3/27/2009, you wrote:
>And learn to fly the Kolb before adding lots of
>goodies and making major changes. Might save
>you a lot of time, money, and heart ache in the future.
>
>john h
>mkiii
>
> Keep it simple=85 like one less thing to have
> to worry about. And one less distraction , and less pilot work load.
>
>Boyd Young
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> I use a hand riveter...Have a grip like Pop eye.!!
>
> When pulling stainless...I notice that I get more loose rivets that
> have to be drilled out... Steel rivets seem to be more conforming as one
> would expect...since they are of a softer,milder composition... Evidenced
> when drilling out!! By the way...when were stainless rivets first used
> as a factory requirement? Herb
I also use a hand pop rivet tool, always have. May be getting too old for
one now, although I popped about 10 each 1/8 X 1/2" rivets the other day
without any big problems.
Never had a problem with loose SS rivets, although I must be careful to
insure the rivet is fully seated before I start pulling.
I agree, SS is more difficult to pull than carbon steel pop rivets.
Little Mike, at Old Kolb, special ordered my SS rivets in 1986, for my FS.
I am not sure when SS started getting shipped with the kits, probably some
time around 1987 or 1988. Dennis Souder probably remembers.
john h
mkiii
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 03/26/09 |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
Why is there a email list and a forum for the same reading? I joined the forum
and do not get email notices. When I log in I can see new posts.
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | air scoop on HKS |
Jerry from Green Sky AV. sent me a pair of alum air scoops, that someone
had made for an earlier model of HKS, to try to see if I could reduce
the temps without moving the oil cooler. With the muffler and oil cooler
on top of the Firestar wings the air is disrupted enough that the temps
on the engine are way too high, bumping redline at anything over 5300
RPM's.
I am pleased to report that they worked just fine. I was able to use the
engine as I wished without regard to overheating for the first time.
Results of the test are @ 43 degrees OAT. @ 5350 RPM - 286 degrees. @
5750 RPM 304 degrees. @ 6150 RPM- 304 degrees. I currently have 21 hours
on the engine.
I flew for one hour and 12 minutes, total of one hour and 24 minutes
counting warm up and burned 4 gallons of fuel. 91 Octane mogas.
This is a reduction of 40 degrees through the entire range of operation.
I can live with that.
Larry C
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: air scoop on HKS |
Thank God!!!
Now...us Rotax guys won't have to hear you whine during our visit to the Ro
ck House in May. ;-)
Glad you got some real relief.
john h
mkIII
This is a reduction of 40 degrees through the entire range of operation.
I can live with that.
Larry C
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: air scoop on HKS |
Larry
Not unlike the scoops used on the Jabiru's on Titan airframes... Herb
At 02:25 PM 3/27/2009, you wrote:
>Jerry from Green Sky AV. sent me a pair of alum air scoops, that
>someone had made for an earlier model of HKS, to try to see if I
>could reduce the temps without moving the oil cooler. With the
>muffler and oil cooler on top of the Firestar wings the air is
>disrupted enough that the temps on the engine are way too high,
>bumping redline at anything over 5300 RPM's.
>
>I am pleased to report that they worked just fine. I was able to use
>the engine as I wished without regard to overheating for the first time.
>
>Results of the test are @ 43 degrees OAT. @ 5350 RPM - 286 degrees.
>@ 5750 RPM 304 degrees. @ 6150 RPM- 304 degrees. I currently have 21
>hours on the engine.
>
>I flew for one hour and 12 minutes, total of one hour and 24 minutes
>counting warm up and burned 4 gallons of fuel. 91 Octane mogas.
>
>This is a reduction of 40 degrees through the entire range of
>operation. I can live with that.
>Larry C
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: air scoop on HKS |
:-)
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: air scoop on HKS
Thank God!!!
Now...us Rotax guys won't have to hear you whine during our visit to
the Rock House in May. ;-)
Glad you got some real relief.
john h
mkIII
This is a reduction of 40 degrees through the entire range of
operation. I can live with that.
Larry C
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
>
>John
>
> I use a hand riveter...Have a grip like Pop eye.!!
>
> When pulling stainless...I notice that I get more loose rivets
>that have to be drilled out... Steel rivets seem to be more
>conforming as one would expect...since they are of a softer,milder
>composition... Evidenced when drilling out!! By the way...when
>were stainless rivets first used as a factory requirement? Herb
>
Herb,
I noticed the same thing. After comparing the two the reason became clear.
When looking at them with the flange to the bottom, one can see the steel
rivets have less of a radius from the flat to the rivet body. This lets
them drop further into the hole before pulling the mandrel. With stainless
steel rivets it is important to slightly de burr or knock the edge off the
hole to accommodate the rivet.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
I have had good results with Marson "Klik-Lok" rivets. These are all
aluminum, retained mandrel, specially made for weatherproofness and high
vibration applications... 700# shear and 500# tensile in the 3/16" size I
used. I haven't used them on my UltraStar (the existing rivets look fine),
but They're holding up fine in some high stress areas on one of my
paramotors, with plenty of vibration (single cylinder motor).
The Klik-Loks aren't available in 1/8", but their Q-Lok's are... still
retained mandrel, but in steel, and considerably stronger than standard pop
rivets, particularly under vibration. I plan to use either or both of
these on the new airplane I'm designing.
-Dana
--
Resist militant "normality" -- A mind is a terrible thing to erase.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
[quote="grantr"]
> The more comfortable you become with the bumpy air the more you will enjoy flying
in it as it doesn't bother you as much.
>
> Nothing beats a late afternoon flight or early morning one though. Thats like
sitting in a lounge chair in the sky.
I flew my friend's RV-9 and there was a HUGE difference in the way his plane handled
the turbulence. It was still very bumpy (couldn't even grab hold of the
dial to turn up my headset), but I still felt like I was in control of the plane.
With my Mark II, I don't know if it's those big flaperons that does it but
the turbulence will roll me and turn me and the controls just don't respond
quick enough for me to be comfortable. I've tried it several times and it's
just not something I WANT to get comfortable with or used to. I'll stick to evening/morning
flights in my Mark II.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="cristalclear13"]
grantr wrote:
>
> I flew my friend's RV-9 and there was a HUGE difference in the way his plane
handled the turbulence. It was still very bumpy (couldn't even grab hold of the
dial to turn up my headset), but I still felt like I was in control of the
plane. With my Mark II, I don't know if it's those big flaperons that does it
but the turbulence will roll me and turn me and the controls just don't respond
quick enough for me to be comfortable. I've tried it several times and it's
just not something I WANT to get comfortable with or used to. I'll stick to
evening/morning flights in my Mark II.
Oh yeah, that's true - the former partner in my plane bought an RV6-A about a year
ago. You can fly that thing in any old hurricane or dust devils you want and
you barely have to move the stick.
You basically don't have to worry about it until it just gets so bad that even
the big iron can't fly.
But of course, that's why you spend upwards of 100 large to build one of those
things... and drink a fortune in gas.... and the view isn't too hot either....
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
I used an air driven rivet gun... at first I was not happy with it.. it
set the rivets with the same speed as a nail gun... then I built a flow
restrictor so that the rivet would take a couple seconds to pull, at that
speed I could push the joint tight and watch it pull the pieces together
even tighter as it set the rivet.
Boyd Young Kolb MKIIIC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
With stainless
steel rivets it is important to slightly de burr or knock the edge off the
hole to accommodate the rivet.
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| Subject: | Re: air scoop on HKS |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Alright !!! Finally a real airplane engine !!! lol
chris ambrose
M3X-jab
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | I'm On My Way! (Yet Still At Home.) |
Hi fellow aviators -
I think most, but perhaps not all of you know that I'm about to take off on a mega-flight
in my Drifter, flying from Sandy Oregon to Sun n Fun, round trip. Randy
Simpson, a good friend and Carrera pilot will be making the flight with me,
and lots of other pilots are chiming in about joining us for part of the flight.
We are scheduled to leave Sunday, March 30. I was in my hangar yesterday, (Thursday)
getting packed, when another pilot stopped by and pointed out that the weather
forecast was for rain starting Friday night and continuing non-stop until
next Tuesday or Wednesday. That's what I was afraid of when I first began
planning this flight - not being able to get out of northwestern Oregon during
March or even early April.
I looked out at the perfect blue sky and thought: "Right now is great flying weather."
I'm a great believer in taking advantage of the moment. So I called Norm
and asked: "Honey, could you skip your meeting tonight and drive down to Lebanon
and pick me up?" When he asked what the heck I was talking about, I explained
that if I left right away and flew south to Lebanon - about 70 miles - I'd
be pretty much out of the forecast rain storms. Since I had a work commitment
on Friday that I absolutely couldn't walk away from, I figured that I'd leave
the Drifter at the Lebanon State Airport, come home, work on Friday, and then
he could drive me back to Lebanon on Sunday so I could get on with the flight.
Norm, bless his heart, is used to my shenanigans. He said he'd meet me down
there.
So - I had a great flight yesterday. Lots of clouds but a high ceiling so not to
worry. More than 20 miles visibility. Calm air. It's really peaceful flying
by myself, and I enjoyed loafing along at 50-55 mph.
I decided to fly strictly by pilotage instead of using my GPS, just to brush up
on my ability to follow a sectional. It was great fun, but not a real test since
I'm so very familiar with the area. I also turned on my SPOT tracker so that
when I got home I could look up my track during the flight. (It works perfectly!
I've now got a link to my SPOT tracking on my blog.)
The FBO owners at Lebanon are absolutely wonderful. They have the first-ever S-LSA
Hornet, which they want to use for flight instruction. They live right there
at the FBO and the entire FBO looks more like a home than a business office.
So Norm met me in Lebanon, we came home, I worked today (Friday,) will use tomorrow
to finish packing and do miscellaneous other things at home, and will begin
the 2nd leg of my flight on Sunday!!!
You can check out my blog at the URL below. I still have to put our return route
on the site - have almost all of the east-bound route figured out.
I'll have e-mail access, so you can still be in touch. If we'll be flying your
way and you'd like us to stop in, send me a phone number and airstrip coordinates
(or an identifier) so I can contact you when we're a day or so out.
YEAH! After months of dreaming about this, it's about to happen!
Arty Trost
Maxair Drifter
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure.htm
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Whoops - sent the wrong URL |
Sorry - I forgot to add the 2009 in the URL I sent.
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Whoops - sent the wrong URL in my last post |
It should be
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I'm On My Way! (Yet Still At Home.) |
will begin the 2nd leg of my flight on Sunday!!>>
Good Luck!
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
but the turbulence will roll me and turn me and the controls just don't
respond quick enough for me to be comfortable.>>
You are comparing apples and oranges. The two planes are built to do
different things, just look at the wing loadings!
If you you fly a low wing loading plane like the Kolb it is pointless
complaining that it doesn`t handle like P45.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft |
We had a law in Ky where the state could remove a percentage of one
> savings account each year...automatically...>>
Hi,
we had a County Council here that tried to stop flying at weekends,
including stopping off for fuel and the operation of the Flying Ambulance
Service. They also wanted all planes at airfields placed so that they could
not be seen from any adjacent road..
We don`t have `local taxes`, at least only ones which have been delegated by
the Government so they couldn`t have raised money in the way that Florida
does. Bet they would have if they could.
Incidentally the Coucil in question were hauled across the coals over their
proposals and told not to be so silly.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
Mon cher M. Pillaudin
Mon Francais, c'est affreuse -- but maybe I can help.
John Hauck is probably the most experienced Kolb pilot in the
world -- and I think all he's saying is for you to arrange, by hand,
the bridle (security belt?) in a "Z" shape, about 10-12 inches long;
put a couple nylon tie-wraps on to hold it in that shape; then
secure this to any convenient place on the airframe, inside the gap
seal.
Does your chute have a pilot chute? Sounds to me that a chute without
one might not deploy properly, or even break the tie-wraps. That
would not be good. C'est vrai! The pilot chutes that have a big
spring inside are the best.
Bonne chance,
Russ K
On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Jean PILLAUDIN wrote:
> Thank's a lot John, I need to understand all of your sentences, i
> need time. I'll reply if something is not clear in my brain =8;O)
>
> Have a good Week-end.
>
> Jean
>
> 2009/3/26 John Hauck
> Jean:
>
> I would use a zig-zag fold of about 10-12" to take up the extra
> length of the bridal, what you refer to as a security belt. Secure
> the fold with a couple nylon tie wraps. Then secure the folded
> section to a tube inside the gap seal. The end of the bridal, I
> would secure the loop aroung the 2" root tube of the airframe
> behind your head. That is where I attached my bridal on my Ultrastar.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jean PILLAUDIN
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute
> installation
>
> Pffff
>
> The pictures!
>
> 2009/3/26 Jean PILLAUDIN
> Hi Kolbers,
>
> I read a lot about chute here, don't want to launch again the
> debat...I know that at the Kolb's begining pilot save their life
> with hand launched chute.
>
> I have a question regarding the hand launch rescue chute
> installation on my Kolb Ultrastar. I get a chute from ParaDelta
> Italia, spec are:
>
> Max weight: 250kilos
> Max opened speed: 170 km/h
> Weight 5kilos
> See the drawing NumberOne.jpg : the chute is on a ventrally
> position on my thighs, It is fixed to my harness.
>
> The security belt is too long, I do put it on the top near the
> karabiner (see NumberThree.jpg) ?
>
>
> The chute must be removable easily, what is the kind of fixation do
> i use?
>
>
> Bests Regards
>
>
> Jean PILLAUDIN
>
> --
> Jean
>
> Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> Jean
>
> Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://
> forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> Jean
>
> Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Hauck" <jimh474(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
Russ and All;
A pilot chute on a hand deployed parachute is neither needed or
required.
When the container holding the parachute is thrown into the slip stream
the part of the attaching bridle that is stowed inside the container is
deployed opening the container allowing the suspension lines to deploy.
Actually the container acts like a pilot chute.
As for breaking the tie wraps, that is no problem what so ever. When the
canopy opens the weight of the airplane will definitely break those tie
wraps and anything else that is the way, even to include streamline
chrome-moly lift struts.
For those that use or plan on using a hand deployed parachute, I would
suggest that if you are right handed, I would throw the parachute down
and to your left. As you normally have more strength throwing it down
than you would trying to toss it up. If you are left handed I would
throw it in the opposite direction.
I would also suggest that this procedure be practiced until it becomes
second nature. When the time come to have to use it in real time, you
won't have time to figure out how to throw it.
No, I don't mean throw the danged parachute, just sit in your plane and
go through the motions. May be a good idea every time you fly to
rehearse this procedure.
Worth what you paid for it.
Jim Hauck
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
At 08:07 AM 3/28/2009, Jim Hauck wrote:
>
>For those that use or plan on using a hand deployed parachute, I would
>suggest that if you are right handed, I would throw the parachute down and
>to your left. As you normally have more strength throwing it down than you
>would trying to toss it up. If you are left handed I would throw it in
>the opposite direction.
You throw it forehand, across your lap? I would have thought you'd throw
it down on the side of the arm you're using.
>I would also suggest that this procedure be practiced until it becomes
>second nature. When the time come to have to use it in real time, you
>won't have time to figure out how to throw it.
>
>No, I don't mean throw the danged parachute, just sit in your plane and go
>through the motions. May be a good idea every time you fly to rehearse
>this procedure.
The paraglider and hang glider guys often have "reserve clinics", where you
hang from the harness in a gym somewhere and actually throw the parachute,
then a rigger repacks it for you.
-Dana
--
Diplomacy: Saying "nice doggy" until you find a rock.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> but the turbulence will roll me and turn me and the controls just don't
> respond quick enough for me to be comfortable.>>
>
> You are comparing apples and oranges. The two planes are built to do
> different things, just look at the wing loadings!
> If you you fly a low wing loading plane like the Kolb it is pointless
> complaining that it doesn`t handle like P45.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
Lucien and Pat,
You guys are misunderstanding me. I am not complaining about my Mark II in any
way or wanting some other plane. I LOVE my Kolb and how it handles and flies
and lands and takes off and taxis and anything else I could possibly think that
my plane does. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I am just explaining why
I don't fly in mid-day thermals in it. This is no problem for me. Like when
I went to Douglas, I was in no rush to get home, matter of fact the nice rest
I got on their big comfy recliner was quite refreshing (especially after standing
around in the hot sun all morning) before I made the trek home that evening.
I fly for the relaxation and the VIEW. Nothing beats the view in my Kolb...nothing!
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand deployed parachute. When
I got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were extremely new, and my poo
r budget would not allow me to have one. It took extra time to get into th
e parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out of the airplane with
it on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness connected, and
finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my legs. I often
dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane equipped with a b
allistic parachute. So much easier to get in, buckle up, and take off. Ho
wever, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained about the hours th
at Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my lap.
Brother Jim is correct. I could best grasp the handle on top of the pack t
ray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag out of the pack tray, then t
hrow it out, down and to the left, with both hands. I am right handed. A
left hander will probably be able to do a better job of tossing out the dep
loyment bag down and to the right.
October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim could repack my parachute.
Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had ever practiced deploying it.
I had not. He told me to put it on, sit down on the ac unit beside the ho
use, and throw it. I did. Seven days later the parachute saved my life.
john h
----- You throw it forehand, across your lap? I would have thought you'
d throw it down on the side of the arm you're using.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
cristalclear13 wrote:
>
> Lucien and Pat,
> You guys are misunderstanding me. I am not complaining about my Mark II in any
way or wanting some other plane. I LOVE my Kolb and how it handles and flies
and lands and takes off and taxis and anything else I could possibly think
that my plane does. I wouldn't trade it for anything. I am just explaining why
I don't fly in mid-day thermals in it. This is no problem for me. Like when
I went to Douglas, I was in no rush to get home, matter of fact the nice rest
I got on their big comfy recliner was quite refreshing (especially after standing
around in the hot sun all morning) before I made the trek home that evening.
I fly for the relaxation and the VIEW. Nothing beats the view in my Kolb...nothing!
Er no I'm not complaining either. You can't goof around the patch with a great
view in the RV like you can in a Kolb or other light a/c. Even if I could hold
a medical, I'd have to be rich enough to do both an RV and a Kolb or Titan ;).
Otherwise I'd still choose the latter as that's my preferred flight experience.
I don't normally like to use personal aviation for travel anyway, just not my normal
mission...
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "Jim Hauck" <jimh474(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
Dana and All;
Yes, you throw it across your body and down.
Jim Hauck
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| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
Dana and All;
Yes, you throw it across your body and down.
Jim Hauck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am no expert,,,,, never been there,,,, never done that,,,,,
but,,,,,,
from a sitting position, across your body and down is the direction
=93I=94
would have the most throwing power,,,, that said,,,,,,, I would route
the
attaching hardware so that it will cause the least upset of the plane
and
occupants when the chute opens. I am sure that if used it would be
upsetting enough,,,, but if because of the routing of the attachment
bridle
you did an extra 1 =BD flip with 2 =BD twist,,, don=92t get me wrong,
that may
still be better than impact at 300 foot per sec=85 but a nice smooth
opening
in as straight and level mode as possible,,, would be preferable.
But
then again who is to say what attitude you may be in at the time.
Boyd Young
My .02 worth.
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
I too had the dubious opportunity of deploying a Handbury (hand deployed)
when I failed a wing on the UltraStar. At the speed I was traveling,
throwing it one way or the other would have been like attempting to spit
into a hurricane. All I recall is that when I had opened the velcro flap on
the parachute - it was gone and out of sight in an instant. I am very glad
that I didn't "throw it" into any of the structure where it would have
gotten caught in something. Totally agree - the ballistic is preferable.
Dennis
_____
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation
I doubt anybody on the Kolb List is using a hand deployed parachute. When I
got mine, 1984, ballistic recovery systems were extremely new, and my poor
budget would not allow me to have one. It took extra time to get into the
parachute harness, was cumbersome getting in and out of the airplane with it
on, difficult to get the seat belt and shoulder harness connected, and
finally, the weight of the parachute was always on top of my legs. I often
dreamed of the ease of getting in and out of an airplane equipped with a
ballistic parachute. So much easier to get in, buckle up, and take off.
However, my desire to fly was so great, I never complained about the hours
that Jim Handbury hand deployed parachute rode in my lap.
Brother Jim is correct. I could best grasp the handle on top of the pack
tray with both hands, snatch the deployment bag out of the pack tray, then
throw it out, down and to the left, with both hands. I am right handed. A
left hander will probably be able to do a better job of tossing out the
deployment bag down and to the right.
October 1985, I flew to Florida so Brother Jim could repack my parachute.
Before we opened it up, Jim asked me if I had ever practiced deploying it.
I had not. He told me to put it on, sit down on the ac unit beside the
house, and throw it. I did. Seven days later the parachute saved my life.
john h
----- You throw it forehand, across your lap? I would have thought you'd
throw it down on the side of the arm you're using.
-Dana
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
I agree with you.
The primary mission is the get yourself down safely. What attitude and the
condition of the equipment does not matter one bit, in a situation like th
is. Getting on the ground safely is.
Both times I used my hand deployed parachute, I knew I would sacrifice the
airplane. Throwing the deployment bag down and to the left sent it under t
he left wing strut. When I got opening shock, it broke the round aluminum
strut, allowed the left wing to fly up and over the top of the airplane, an
d down on the right wing. I had 4130 streamlined struts on the FS. That
strut did not break. I had both wings fully extended until I went through
the tall oak and hickory trees. Then the left wing folded down a little.
john h
mkIII
But then again who is to say what attitude you may be in at the time.
Boyd Young
My .02 worth.
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| From: | "Vince Hallam" <vince(at)devonwindmills.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
Hey John
What caused you to need the chute each time.? Congratulations by the
way.
Are you saying the bridle is attached to circraft strong point , not to
youor your seat belt?
Im interested because I was wondereing if I could use a paragliders hand
thrown back up on a sub 115 kg aircraft
Tel: 01803 316191
Mob: 07941 313141
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute
installation
I agree with you.
The primary mission is the get yourself down safely. What attitude
and the condition of the equipment does not matter one bit, in a
situation like this. Getting on the ground safely is.
Both times I used my hand deployed parachute, I knew I would sacrifice
the airplane. Throwing the deployment bag down and to the left sent it
under the left wing strut. When I got opening shock, it broke the round
aluminum strut, allowed the left wing to fly up and over the top of the
airplane, and down on the right wing. I had 4130 streamlined struts on
the FS. That strut did not break. I had both wings fully extended
until I went through the tall oak and hickory trees. Then the left wing
folded down a little.
john h
mkIII
But then again who is to say what attitude you may be in at the
time.
Boyd Young
My ..02 worth.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
Vinve H:
1-Upper aileron bell crank pulled out of pivot tube. Total loss of aileron
control on my Ultrastar, immediate aileron flutter followed, although I wa
s not aware it happened. Someone on the ground saw them flutter and told m
e. Ultrastar and all the other Kolbs with standard dihedral are not contro
lable without ailerons.
2-Leading edge of wing failure, both wings, from leading edge to the main s
par. Folded up and back. Firestar would not fly in that configuration. B
lanked out elevators, rudder, and ailerons.
250 feet, 75 mph, in the US. Threw the chute, got full canopy and full lin
e stretch, parachute and aircraft horizontal, 1/2 occilation down and on th
e ground. No injuries to me. Totalled the US.
500 feet, 75 mph, in the FS. Threw the chute, got full canopy at tree top
level, through the trees, and on the ground. No injuries to me. Totalled
FS.
Having much better luck with the mkIII. ;-)
john h
mkIII
What caused you to need the chute each time.? Congratulations by the way
.
Are you saying the bridle is attached to circraft strong point , not to y
ouor your seat belt?
Im interested because I was wondereing if I could use a paragliders hand
thrown back up on a sub 115 kg aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
| From: | Jean PILLAUDIN <jean.pillaudin(at)gmail.com> |
Hi All,
Thank's a lot to every contributors, these information are very useful for
me.
I need time to understand all. Thank's to Russ K. to try in french.
Have fun fly.
Jean
2009/3/28 Vince Hallam
> Hey John
> What caused you to need the chute each time.? Congratulations by the way.
> Are you saying the bridle is attached to circraft strong point , not to
> youor your seat belt?
> Im interested because I was wondereing if I could use a paragliders hand
> thrown back up on a sub 115 kg aircraft
> Tel: 01803 316191
> Mob: 07941 313141
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Hauck
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation
>
> I agree with you.
>
> The primary mission is the get yourself down safely. What attitude and the
> condition of the equipment does not matter one bit, in a situation like
> this. Getting on the ground safely is.
>
> Both times I used my hand deployed parachute, I knew I would sacrifice the
> airplane. Throwing the deployment bag down and to the left sent it under
> the left wing strut. When I got opening shock, it broke the round aluminum
> strut, allowed the left wing to fly up and over the top of the airplane, and
> down on the right wing. I had 4130 streamlined struts on the FS. That
> strut did not break. I had both wings fully extended until I went through
> the tall oak and hickory trees. Then the left wing folded down a little.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> But then again who is to say what attitude you may be in at the time.
>
>
> Boyd Young
>
> My ..02 worth.
>
>
> *
>
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> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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>
> *
>
> *
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>
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Q' importe le frelon pourvu qu'on ai l'ivresse!
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| From: | "The Kuffels" <kuffel(at)cyberport.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
<< zig-zag fold of about 10-12" to take up the extra length of the
bridal, what you refer to as a security belt
the bridle (security belt?) in a "Z" shape, about 10-12 inches long;
put a couple nylon tie-wraps on to hold it in that shape; .. even
break the tie-wraps. >>
Of course, if you use a one-ended zig-zag with relatively loose
tie-wraps, you don't have to break the tie-wraps. See the crude
diagram:
bridle-------------------- __ __ --------------bridle
\ / \ / \ /
| | | | | |
Tie-Wrap --> | | | | | |
| | | | | |
| | | | | |
Tie-Wrap --> | | | | | |
| | | | | |
|__| |__| |__|
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
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| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Don't feel bad Cristal, I don't like mid day turbulence much either, I avoid it
when possible ! Sometimes I fly through midday turbulence when I want to get
somewhere, it is kind of funny to watch my wife enjoy fighting the turbulence
like Grant does, but I fly mostly mornings and evenings also. Its all about
fun and enjoying what you are doing, if you are not then its good judgment to
wait on the ground for better conditions. All I can say is that Grant has balls
to fly when he does just for the fun of it ;)
I was experiencing the same thing in having to hold the stick hard over for a couple
seconds at a time trying to correct the roll induced by the turbulence that
you are, but the aileron spades helped a lot. I never have to hold full
aileron for a couple seconds anymore to keep the wings level in a thermal, I never
even need full stick at all. This makes flying in rough conditions a lot
less nerve racking. One thing that helps is to stay away from the Hawks, if
you make the mistake of flying into an air where you see a bunch of birds soaring,
you are in for some really good bumps. I use the birds often to avoid the
worst thermals.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar hand launch rescue chute installation |
Tom K:
Not necessary. Snug down the tie-wraps. When the canopy opens, there is e
nough power to pull the kevlar bridal through aluminum and steel tubing. T
he main square tube that ties the main spars together on the top of the fus
elage was flattened by the bridal. It wouldn't know the tie-wraps were the
re.
john h
mkIII
Of course, if you use a one-ended zig-zag with relatively loose tie-wraps
, you don't have to break the tie-wraps. See the crude diagram:
bridle-------------------- __ __ --------------bridle
\ / \ / \ /
| | | | | |
Tie-Wrap --> | | | | | |
| | | | | |
| | | | | |
Tie-Wrap --> | | | | | |
| | | | | |
|__| |__| |__|
Tom Kuffel
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I'm On My Way! (Yet Still At Home.) |
Hey, WW/Arty
Go for it, girl! -- we're all proud of you.
Fair winds,
Russ K
On Mar 28, 2009, at 12:56 AM, TheWanderingWench wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi fellow aviators -
>
> I think most, but perhaps not all of you know that I'm about to
> take off on a mega-flight in my Drifter, flying from Sandy Oregon
> to Sun n Fun, round trip. Randy Simpson, a good friend and Carrera
> pilot will be making the flight with me, and lots of other pilots
> are chiming in about joining us for part of the flight.
>
> We are scheduled to leave Sunday, March 30. I was in my hangar
> yesterday, (Thursday) getting packed, when another pilot stopped by
> and pointed out that the weather forecast was for rain starting
> Friday night and continuing non-stop until next Tuesday or
> Wednesday. That's what I was afraid of when I first began planning
> this flight - not being able to get out of northwestern Oregon
> during March or even early April.
>
> I looked out at the perfect blue sky and thought: "Right now is
> great flying weather." I'm a great believer in taking advantage of
> the moment. So I called Norm and asked: "Honey, could you skip your
> meeting tonight and drive down to Lebanon and pick me up?" When he
> asked what the heck I was talking about, I explained that if I left
> right away and flew south to Lebanon - about 70 miles - I'd be
> pretty much out of the forecast rain storms. Since I had a work
> commitment on Friday that I absolutely couldn't walk away from, I
> figured that I'd leave the Drifter at the Lebanon State Airport,
> come home, work on Friday, and then he could drive me back to
> Lebanon on Sunday so I could get on with the flight. Norm, bless
> his heart, is used to my shenanigans. He said he'd meet me down
> there.
>
> So - I had a great flight yesterday. Lots of clouds but a high
> ceiling so not to worry. More than 20 miles visibility. Calm air.
> It's really peaceful flying by myself, and I enjoyed loafing along
> at 50-55 mph.
>
> I decided to fly strictly by pilotage instead of using my GPS, just
> to brush up on my ability to follow a sectional. It was great fun,
> but not a real test since I'm so very familiar with the area. I
> also turned on my SPOT tracker so that when I got home I could look
> up my track during the flight. (It works perfectly! I've now got a
> link to my SPOT tracking on my blog.)
>
> The FBO owners at Lebanon are absolutely wonderful. They have the
> first-ever S-LSA Hornet, which they want to use for flight
> instruction. They live right there at the FBO and the entire FBO
> looks more like a home than a business office.
>
> So Norm met me in Lebanon, we came home, I worked today (Friday,)
> will use tomorrow to finish packing and do miscellaneous other
> things at home, and will begin the 2nd leg of my flight on Sunday!!!
>
> You can check out my blog at the URL below. I still have to put
> our return route on the site - have almost all of the east-bound
> route figured out.
>
> I'll have e-mail access, so you can still be in touch. If we'll be
> flying your way and you'd like us to stop in, send me a phone
> number and airstrip coordinates (or an identifier) so I can contact
> you when we're a day or so out.
>
> YEAH! After months of dreaming about this, it's about to happen!
>
> Arty Trost
> Maxair Drifter
> Sandy, Oregon
> www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure.htm
>
>
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Florida may tax recently purchased visiting aircraft |
Pat
Thank God for those that hauled the coals!
Russ
On Mar 28, 2009, at 6:58 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> We had a law in Ky where the state could remove a percentage of one
>> savings account each year...automatically...>>
>
> Hi,
> we had a County Council here that tried to stop flying at weekends,
> including stopping off for fuel and the operation of the Flying
> Ambulance Service. They also wanted all planes at airfields placed
> so that they could not be seen from any adjacent road..
> We don`t have `local taxes`, at least only ones which have been
> delegated by the Government so they couldn`t have raised money in
> the way that Florida does. Bet they would have if they could.
>
> Incidentally the Coucil in question were hauled across the coals
> over their proposals and told not to be so silly.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying videos thermals! |
it is kind of funny to watch my wife enjoy fighting the turbulence >>
Hi,
I think the secret is NOT to fight the thermals. It doesn`t normally matter
if you are pushed up or down 50 feet, or tilted a bit, the next gust will
probably correct it to some extent. Provided of course that you are not
thrown in to a dangerous position. of course. Changes of airspeed on the ASI
are more likely to be caused by changes of pressure or direction in a gust
rather than an actual change in the planes speed. The inertia of the plane
just doesn`t change that fast and chasing the the airspeed through every
change can be pretty wearing.
As you approach a thermal the air gets a little bubbly, like champagne, and
then a wing lifts, and there is a little surge. You put the lifting wing
down and put in a bootfull of rudder, ease back on the stick to drop the
speed and begin to circle to find the strong lift in the middle of the
thermal and ...up you go.
At least that was the way it used be when I flew gliders. Now that I am
older and my stomach can no longer withstand roller coaster rides I fly
mornings or evenings. If I have to fly nearer mid day I stay away from
thermic sources like town roofs, ploughed fields, tarmac airfields. I watch
for buzzards circling and go the other way. I stay out from under milky
looking cumulus. I am just chicken...and I don`t care, I do this for fun and
being thrown around as if I was in a laundry machine just doesn`t qualify.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
Ok, after all of that stuff, I want to say this; if you want smooth flying
even in the afternoon, without the bad bumps, mind grinding tugs on the
stick to right yourself, the solution is easy: 'get a sling shot'. Easy as
that. I flew an original firestar for close to seven years and a lot of
hours. Flying to Florida to ride the coast line and just about every type
of thermal you can image and you know what, I got real tired yanking and
banking. Took hits that left me bruised and aching. Since I got the
Slingshot, I love flying even in the afternoon. This is the most forgiving
and capable flyer I have ever been in. I fly along side C150s and they are
rocking and rolling harder than I. What I get is more of a pivot back and
forth, left and right and a little pitch up and down but even the six and
eight hundred foot risers only show up on my instruments. It weighs in at
500 lbs dry (heavier than most) has a 912UL 80 hp (had a 582 gas guzzler)
and I couldnt be happier. Carrying a passenger is testy cause they have to
be small to get in and it really doesnt like the extra weight but I have
taken an 180 pounder up and it just requires a little more RPM to keep it
going. Lands just as smooth, just requires a hundred or more feet to get
up. So if you want smooth and zoom zoom, get a slingshot. Dont know about
the firefly cause it is too light. Hope I didnt bore you all. But -- if
you ever want the thrill of a lifetime, get to the Florida coast with us and
fly the beach, 80 miles down for a grouper sandwich, two hundred feet up,
two hundred feet off the beach, grand.
Something else, when I rebuilt my first ultrastar, I took some advise and
used stainless steel rivets. Some years later I got it back and had to
repair it and I learned a lesson. Stainless rivets are the worse things in
the world to drill out without overdrilling the holes. Been told by a Navy
aircraft repairman, very experienced, that we should not be using steel
rivets on alum. anyway. It is about dislike materials. But if you have to,
use steel because it will NOT tighten as much as stainless and possibly
weaken the holes as the mandrel is pulled. Stainless is actually too tight.
Take a sample of alum and test pull both and you will see the stainless
mandrel comes almost all the way through when you break it. There are other
problems with dislike materials also. My two cents worth. A properly
pulled steel rivet is better than an overpulled stainless. I want as much
meat around the mandrel ball as I can get. I am sure I will get heat from
this. Ted Cowan, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: smooth flying |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
Ted, I notice the same thing in the Kolbra after many years flying the very light
Firestar. It's that extra wing loading that does the trick. There is a trade
off in everything, of course, and the Kolbra sink rate is much higher, especially
with a passenger.
Going flying today in Minnesota. Wow, the afternoon high will be 45! It's a heat
wave ...
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| Subject: | Re: smooth flying |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Ralph B wrote:
> Ted, I notice the same thing in the Kolbra after many years flying the very light
Firestar. It's that extra wing loading that does the trick. There is a trade
off in everything, of course, and the Kolbra sink rate is much higher, especially
with a passenger.
>
> Going flying today in Minnesota. Wow, the afternoon high will be 45! It's a heat
wave ...
>
> Ralph
Does TNK even still make the Kolba? Or is it a by-request-only kit build like the
FS?
I've lusted after the Kolbra forever (along with a billion other planes too I guess)...
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: smooth flying |
Lucien=2C
Yes=2C I believe TNK will sell you a Kolbra kit. You are correct=2C it i
s by request only. At least=2C this is what I remember from talking to Tra
vis a while back.
Hell=2C I guess they'd even sell you a Bell JetRanger=2C if you have the
money. : )
Mike Welch
sent from Gulf Shores=2C AL...here visiting youngest son=2C home from Afgha
nistan=2C and grandkids
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: smooth flying
> From: lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com
> Date: Sun=2C 29 Mar 2009 08:50:14 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>
> Ralph B wrote:
> > Ted=2C I notice the same thing in the Kolbra after many years flying th
e very light Firestar. It's that extra wing loading that does the trick. Th
ere is a trade off in everything=2C of course=2C and the Kolbra sink rate i
s much higher=2C especially with a passenger.
> >
> > Going flying today in Minnesota. Wow=2C the afternoon high will be 45!
It's a heat wave ...
> >
> > Ralph
>
>
> Does TNK even still make the Kolba? Or is it a by-request-only kit build
like the FS?
>
> I've lusted after the Kolbra forever (along with a billion other planes t
oo I guess)...
>
> LS
>
> --------
> LS
> Titan II SS
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236664#236664
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Boyd=2C
I don't believe I was advocating using an AOA. I simply stated some pilo
ts feel they are a better stall indicator. I also said I think the link wi
ll get more exposure on this site=2C which is true.
Whether someone sees the value of an AOA in a Kolb airplane is up to that
person=2C and their wants and desires. I'm not inclined to think it is to
o distracting=2C or too much workload=2C if a person had one. Can't say I
understand how an AOA "complicates" things=2C either.
For many (Kolb) pilots=2C an AOA is just not worth the effort=2C nor the
added information it may display. I can accept that.
I was just passing along a link=2C that's all.
Mike Welch
MkIII....which is looking less like a project=2C and more like an airplane
everyday.
From: by0ung(at)brigham.net
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: AOA indicator
Date: Fri=2C 27 Mar 2009 10:41:59 -0700
Unless you are flying like a fighter pilot pulling high g levels and
possible getting yourself into accelerated stall. You don=92t
need angle of attack=85
Admittedly=2C=2C for a fighter pilot=2C it is still the
best=2C=2C
but for our type of flying=2C=2C=2C airspeed is good
indicator. Keep it simple=85 like one less
thing to have to worry about. And one less distraction =2C and less pilot w
ork
load.
Boyd Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Kolb people=2C
A guy that makes these posted this link on a different group site.
I think it may get more exposure on this site=2C for those that are interes
ted.
Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall indicator than airspeed.
Here's the link:
http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.htm
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: smooth flying |
Heck of a deal on the factory MkIII extra
also... Cannot believe it has not sold!! Herb
At 12:11 PM 3/29/2009, you wrote:
>Lucien,
>
> Yes, I believe TNK will sell you a Kolbra
> kit. You are correct, it is by request
> only. At least, this is what I remember from talking to Travis a while
back.
>
> Hell, I guess they'd even sell you a Bell
> JetRanger, if you have the money. : )
>
>Mike Welch
>sent from Gulf Shores, AL...here visiting
>youngest son, home from Afghanistan, and grandkids
>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: smooth flying
> > From: lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:50:14 -0700
> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Ralph B wrote:
> > > Ted, I notice the same thing in the Kolbra
> after many years flying the very light
> Firestar. It's that extra wing loading that
> does the trick. There is a trade off in
> everything, of course, and the Kolbra sink rate
> is much higher, especially with a passenger.
> > >
> > > Going flying today in Minnesota. Wow, the
> afternoon high will be 45! It's a heat wave ...
> > >
> > > Ralph
> >
> >
> > Does TNK even still make the Kolba? Or is it
> a by-request-only kit build like the FS?
> >
> > I've lusted after the Kolbra forever (along
> with a billion other planes too I guess)...
> >
> > LS
> >
> > --------
> > LS
> > Titan II SS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236664#236664
> >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Mike
I like the idea of a "Bacon Saver/Gear
saver) AOA indicator... I think something
similar is used in 150's ? hooked to a
big noise maker in the cockpit... :-) I turned
it on regularly...much to the consternation of my
asleep instructor...thought that was what it was for for a while....:-)
Simplicity?? I got that....a big red idiot
light ... attached to a Grand Rapids box however...:-) Herb
At 12:23 PM 3/29/2009, you wrote:
>Boyd,
>
> I don't believe I was advocating using an
> AOA. I simply stated some pilots feel they are
> a better stall indicator. I also said I think
> the link will get more exposure on this site, which is true.
>
> Whether someone sees the value of an AOA in a
> Kolb airplane is up to that person, and their
> wants and desires. I'm not inclined to think
> it is too distracting, or too much workload, if
> a person had one. Can't say I understand how
> an AOA "complicates" things, either.
>
> For many (Kolb) pilots, an AOA is just not
> worth the effort, nor the added information it may display. I can accept
that.
>I was just passing along a link, that's all.
>
>Mike Welch
>MkIII....which is looking less like a project,
>and more like an airplane everyday.
>
>
>----------
>From: by0ung(at)brigham.net
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: AOA indicator
>Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:41:59 -0700
>
>Unless you are flying like a fighter pilot
>pulling high g levels and possible getting
>yourself into accelerated stall. You don=92t need angle of attack=85
>
>Admittedly,, for a fighter pilot, it is still the best,,
>
> but for our type of flying,,, airspeed is
> good indicator. Keep it simple=85 like one
> less thing to have to worry about. And one less
> distraction , and less pilot work load.
>
>
>Boyd Young
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>Kolb people,
>
> A guy that makes these posted this link on a
> different group site. I think it may get more
> exposure on this site, for those that are interested.
> Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall
> indicator than airspeed. Here's the link:
>
><http://www.pipcom.com/%7Ecowcam/AOAr.htm>http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOA
r.htm
>
>Mike Welch
>MkIII
>
>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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| From: | <apilot(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel flow meter |
Do any of the Kolb clan use a fuel flow meter? Would like one for my Mark IIIC.
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Dates for M.V. |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Here's what was published 19 Dec 08:
>
> 2009 Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin Monument Valley 15,16,
> 17 May 2009.
>
> Those dates are the weekend between Mothers' Day and Memorial Day Weekend.
>
> Although the "official" dates are 15, 16, and 17 May 2009, most of us get
> there a day early on Thursday and depart Sunday morning (14-17 May 09).
>
> Frank, where are you going to be flying from?
>
> All are welcome. Hope we have a big crowd of Kolb enthusiast. If you
> aren't a Kolb enthusiast, you may become one if you hang around us too long.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Friend of mine from work plans to tag along in his RV-6A, if RV's are welcome too....
So that might be 2 titans and an RV from NM if everything goes right with
wx, vacations, etc.... well, we'll need a hefty head start but....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: smooth flying |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
That is a very good flight report on the Slingshot, I am sure many people will
like the information as they lurk here wondering which Kolb they should build.
What part of the Florida coastline did you fly ?
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: smooth flying |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
P.S. The factory Kolb is about the best deal on a very nice Kolb that one will
ever find. I wish that was for sale when I bought mine. Just the parts alone
for that Kolb would cost more than they are asking for it, and its already built.
Mike
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AOA indicator |
Guys
Isn't the Cessna "stall warning horn" really an AOA indicator? The
little metal tab sticking out of the leading edge gets pushed up by
the relative wind & sounds the horn, when the AOA is increased. (it's
just an opening in later models) Part of the preflight was to push it
up (Master on) and make sure it beeps. In a near-perfect 3-point
landing it would beep when you were a foot above the runway. It
simply said "slow down a little more and you'll stall". Good to know.
I found it very useful, but have been accused of wearing it out when
swordfish-spotting & whale-photographing. On all the time.
BTW, guys who fly long XC's may find this useful. My instructor used
to tell me to maintain a constant altitude -- this was good for
practice I suppose, because it needed constant control adjustments to
maintain a certain altitude.
But this is very inefficient. When you get an updraft, this procedure
makes you put the nose down and speed up, spending less time in a
favorable, lift-producing wind. And conversely, slow down in a
downdraft, spending MORE time in an unfavorable wind.
Much better (if airspace permits), to slow down in an updraft and
spend the maximum amount of time there, and speed up in a downdraft,
to get out of it ASAP. Within limits of course.
FWIW
Russ K
On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:43 PM, herb wrote:
> Mike
>
> I like the idea of a "Bacon Saver/Gear saver) AOA
> indicator... I think something similar is used in 150's ?
> hooked to a big noise maker in the cockpit... :-) I turned it on
> regularly...much to the consternation of my asleep
> instructor...thought that was what it was for for a while....:-)
>
>
> Simplicity?? I got that....a big red idiot light ...
> attached to a Grand Rapids box however...:-) Herb
>
>
> At 12:23 PM 3/29/2009, you wrote:
>> Boyd,
>>
>> I don't believe I was advocating using an AOA. I simply stated
>> some pilots feel they are a better stall indicator. I also said I
>> think the link will get more exposure on this site, which is true.
>>
>> Whether someone sees the value of an AOA in a Kolb airplane is
>> up to that person, and their wants and desires. I'm not inclined
>> to think it is too distracting, or too much workload, if a person
>> had one. Can't say I understand how an AOA "complicates" things,
>> either.
>>
>> For many (Kolb) pilots, an AOA is just not worth the effort, nor
>> the added information it may display. I can accept that.
>> I was just passing along a link, that's all.
>>
>> Mike Welch
>> MkIII....which is looking less like a project, and more like an
>> airplane everyday.
>>
>> From: by0ung(at)brigham.net
>> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: AOA indicator
>> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:41:59 -0700
>>
>> Unless you are flying like a fighter pilot pulling high g levels
>> and possible getting yourself into accelerated stall. You don=92t
>> need angle of attack=85
>>
>> Admittedly,, for a fighter pilot, it is still the best,,
>>
>> but for our type of flying,,, airspeed is good indicator.
>> Keep it simple=85 like one less thing to have to worry about. And
>> one less distraction , and less pilot work load.
>>
>>
>>
>> Boyd Young
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> Kolb people,
>>
>> A guy that makes these posted this link on a different group
>> site. I think it may get more exposure on this site, for those
>> that are interested.
>> Some pilots feel AOA is a better stall indicator than airspeed.
>> Here's the link:
>>
>> http://www.pipcom.com/~cowcam/AOAr.htm
>>
>> Mike Welch
>> MkIII
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> Quick access to Windows Live and your favorite MSN content with
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>
>
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| From: | ElleryWeld(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: fuel flow meter |
I useed a Fuel flow meter in my firestar and I will install one in my
MK3Xtra also I got it from Boaters World
Ellery in Maine
Building MK3Xtra
In a message dated 3/29/2009 3:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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| From: | "boyd" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel flow meter |
Do any of the Kolb clan use a fuel flow meter? Would like one for my Mark
IIIC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I hooked an aux input for the EIS to a fuel sender. it reads fuel level on
the EIS to tenths of gallons, I check the starting point from a glance in
the tank to see it is near where I think it should be. On a x country I
burn 4 gal per hour.. and can cross check the level on the EIS to the
expected fuel burn and the flight timer. If the fuel in the tank gets below
3 gal indicated it lights up the master warning light. That is my limit
for reserve.
Boyd
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel flow meter |
Got one on my Hawk. I have the fuel flow option on my Grand Rapids
Technologies EIS - so far for several years it been accurate and
worked. It has provided some interesting data related to prop pitch
relative to performance (climb/cruise), and fuel consumption rate.
jerb
At 03:07 PM 3/29/2009, you wrote:
>
>Do any of the Kolb clan use a fuel flow meter? Would like one for
>my Mark IIIC. Vic
>
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| From: | ElleryWeld(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: fuel flow meter |
You are right about the expensive miZer sticker I had the navman 2100 and
my wing man bought the miZer and paid about 100.00 more only to find out the
extra money was for the cover up sticker
Ellery building MK3Xtra
In a message dated 3/30/2009 6:58:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy"
I love my Fuel flow gauge...
Don't let'm sell you the one called miZer...
They just put a sticker over what it REALLY is Navman 2100
It "is" a good unit...
But they charged me over $100 bucks more under "aircraft"
Gotta Fly...
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| From: | ElleryWeld(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Distroying a KOLB ? |
I just ran across a Kolb Mk3xtra Owner the other day that has a very nice
Kolb that I would like to have (Not for free) with the 912S on Floats with
total time on plane 26 Hrs the sad part of it is instead of selling it and re
cooping some of his money the guy is going to cut the plane up so no one can
ever fly it again because he is worried about a liability lawsuit, I really
don't blame him with all the sue happy people these days but is there a way
to save this from happening so the guy won't be liable for the plane ever ?
I just can't imagine someone doing this to a plane this nice especially to a
KOLB
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Destroying a Kolb |
- Ellery- I am really digging in the old memory, but I seem to remember t
hat there is something called a "Hold Harmless" agreement in the UCC (Unifo
rm Commercial Code).
- In the equipment business, we used to use UCC Forms 1 and 2 a lot, whic
h were for partial title of objects- like a truck with a crane on it, and t
wo suppliers involved.- Kind of a way to make sure everybody got paid.-
Reassure the guy that this question is a common worry, and can be resolved
.- Have him see a lawyer!- It would be a lot cheaper than destroying it
.-
-
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------------------- Bill Sullivan
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------------------- Windsor Locks, Ct
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Destroying a Kolb |
Ellery- I just had another thought.- Have him take the wings off, and sel
l it as parts- "Not an airworthy vehicle".- I understand it's commonly do
ne with 103's for liability reasons.
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------------------- Bill Sullivan
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------------------- Windsor Locks, Ct
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| From: | ElleryWeld(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Destroying a Kolb |
The guy said he has already talked to a lawyer Im guessing the wrong one
first
Ellery in Maine
In a message dated 3/31/2009 4:57:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
williamtsullivan(at)att.net writes:
Ellery- I am really digging in the old memory, but I seem to remember that
there is something called a "Hold Harmless" agreement in the UCC (Uniform
Commercial Code).
In the equipment business, we used to use UCC Forms 1 and 2 a lot, which
were for partial title of objects- like a truck with a crane on it, and two
suppliers involved. Kind of a way to make sure everybody got paid. Reassure
the guy that this question is a common worry, and can be resolved. Have him
see a lawyer! It would be a lot cheaper than destroying it.
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| Subject: | Re: Distroying a KOLB ? |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Sounds to me like the guy is judgment impaired and definitely should not be flying.
Why didn't he consider this issue when he built it? In addition to BB's advice
to see a lawyer, perhaps he should see a shrink too.
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Buffalo, NY
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Distroying a KOLB ? |
On Mar 30, 2009, at 8:41 PM, ElleryWeld(at)aol.com wrote:
> is there a way to save this from happening so the guy won't be
> liable for the plane ever ?
The only way I know of is to sue him for all he has, including his
kolb, for threatening to take the life of his Mk3xtra .
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Distroying a KOLB ? |
Ellery=2C
I agree with the comments so far. Thom especially described this guy.
It's just amazing the number of anal people there are! First of all=2C t
his guy's concerns can be covered by a simple hold-harmless release form.
Secondly=2C it is damn near impossible for a private citizen to be sued by
another private citizen from a different state. (costs are the biggest reas
on=2C jurisdiction is the next=2C practicality=2C etc. The scope of the tr
ial would have to be in the millions for anyone to get an attorney that wou
ld accept the case{and
he/she wouldn't take the case without a prepaid cash retainer=2C a BIG reta
iner})
In the course of 30 minutes=2C this guy could generate a form to be safe
from litigation. Included in the form could be:
1) plane sold as parts only=2C assembly at your own risk!
2) flying is dangerous=2C operate at your own risk
3) if this aircraft is put into service=2C it must be inspected by an FAA
licensed A & P=2C and properly registered with the FAA as a Experimental Ca
tegory Aircraft=2C prior to use
4) do not operate this aircraft without completing proper licensed flight
instruction first=2C and be signed off by a CFI
I'm not an attorney=2C but I play one on TV. Actually=2C sad to say=2C I
have sued many people=2C and been sued once=2C so I do know my way around
the courthouse. I wish that weren't true!
I have also testified as an "expert witness" on behalf of the state about
25 times.
If this guy is truly considering destroying his plane=2C because of fear
of litigation=2C he shouldn't built it in the first place. He would be bet
ter off living in a cave. Tell him to get a release form and relax!!!
Just my thoughts.....
Mike Welch
MkIII
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Distroying a KOLB ?
> From: riddletr(at)gmail.com
> Date: Tue=2C 31 Mar 2009 04:32:37 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Sounds to me like the guy is judgment impaired and definitely should not
be flying. Why didn't he consider this issue when he built it? In addition
to BB's advice to see a lawyer=2C perhaps he should see a shrink too.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo=2C NY
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> http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
>
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mple system that works.
> - John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: Destroying a Kolb |
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
Donating to a museum sounds like a better option to me...
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Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Distroying a KOLB ? |
Ellery
Hold-harmless releases are quite common, and very good if properly
written
But I doubt if selling it as unassembled parts would totally protect
him. He'd still need a H-H release
And maybe sad to say, but he needs a lawyer. They often do keep
people out of trouble
Russ K
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| Subject: | Re: Distroying a KOLB ? |
| From: | "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net> |
I know someone that did this. I think it was a Baby Ace. He destroyed the engine
as well. It shocked me to hear about it.
He was worried about liability as the builder even from third or fourth owners
if it was resold.
I guess no disclaimer can keep them from suing you. Even if you win, it might bankrupt
you fighting it. He opted for the peace of mind. Can't say I would do
the same.
Keath T
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| From: | "George Myers" <gmyers(at)grandecom.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Distroying a KOLB ? |
As a blue collar comedian once said "You kaint' fix stoopid".
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Welch
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Distroying a KOLB ?
Ellery,
I agree with the comments so far. Thom especially described this guy.
It's just amazing the number of anal people there are! First of all, this
guy's concerns can be covered by a simple hold-harmless release form.
Secondly, it is damn near impossible for a private citizen to be sued by
another private citizen from a different state. (costs are the biggest
reason, jurisdiction is the next, practicality, etc. The scope of the trial
would have to be in the millions for anyone to get an attorney that would
accept the case{and
he/she wouldn't take the case without a prepaid cash retainer, a BIG
retainer})
In the course of 30 minutes, this guy could generate a form to be safe
from litigation. Included in the form could be:
1) plane sold as parts only, assembly at your own risk!
2) flying is dangerous, operate at your own risk
3) if this aircraft is put into service, it must be inspected by an FAA
licensed A & P, and properly registered with the FAA as a Experimental
Category Aircraft, prior to use
4) do not operate this aircraft without completing proper licensed flight
instruction first, and be signed off by a CFI
I'm not an attorney, but I play one on TV. Actually, sad to say, I have
sued many people, and been sued once, so I do know my way around the
courthouse. I wish that weren't true!
I have also testified as an "expert witness" on behalf of the state about
25 times.
If this guy is truly considering destroying his plane, because of fear of
litigation, he shouldn't built it in the first place. He would be better
off living in a cave. Tell him to get a release form and relax!!!
Just my thoughts.....
Mike Welch
MkIII
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Distroying a KOLB ?
> From: riddletr(at)gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:32:37 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Sounds to me like the guy is judgment impaired and definitely should not
be flying. Why didn't he consider this issue when he built it? In addition
to BB's advice to see a lawyer, perhaps he should see a shrink too.
>
> --------
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> Buffalo, NY
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Hold Harmless Release Form |
Hold Harmless Release Form
To whom it may concern:
I=2C(Seller)____________________=2C sell the following aircraft=2C (or pa
rts=2C or whatever)=2C to (Buyer)________________________=2C on this date__
_________.
Prior to agreeing to the purchase of this aircraft (or parts=2C etc)=2C t
he Buyer is advised of the following=2C and accepts ALL risks contained the
rein:
This aircraft=2C (or parts=2C etc) is sold with the thorough understandin
g it composed of NON-CERTIFIED parts=2C that is=2C parts that the FAA has n
ot deemed suitable for aircraft construction.
Such parts may include=2C but not be limited to=2C hardware store bolts and
fittings=2C home-made
items and other types of brackets and fasteners=2C that are used to constru
ct this aircraft.
This aircraft=2C (or parts=2C etc.) does NOT comply with any Federal qual
ity requirements=2C for use as a certified aircraft=2C and any use of this
aircraft (or parts=2C etc) is at the expressed acknowledgement of the Buyer
that he accepts all risks involved. buyer's initials________
Buyer further understands and agrees that building an aircraft has many u
nforeseen risks. These risks may include=2C but are not limited to=2C airc
raft parts longevity=2C allowable tolerances=2C parts used for manufacturer
's non-intended uses=2C undersized fasteners=2C (which may include=2C but a
re not limited to=3B nuts=2C bolts=2C cables=2C screws=2C rivets=2C fabric
=2C paint=2C tubing=2C etc.)
Buyer fully understands and accepts that this aircraft (or parts=2C etc)
is not manufactured=2C nor tested=2C by ANY qualifying entity=2C either fed
eral or private. Buyer accepts the responsibility that he will thoroughly
inspect=2C repair=2C create=2C or otherwise bring this aircraft (or parts
=2C etc) up to a FULLY flyable=2C fully dependable=2C fully capable aircraf
t=2C prior to it's intended use.
Buyer's
initials_________
Buyer also acknowledges that ALL aircraft in the USA are regulated by the
FAA (Federal Aviation Authority). The buyer will license=2C have inspecte
d=2C and maintain this aircraft to ALL legal requirements of ALL controllin
g agencies=2C including=2C but not limited to=2C federal=2C state=2C and lo
cal requirements and laws.
Buyer is to have this aircraft (or parts=2C etc) inspected by a competent
=2C fully licensed FAA "A & P mechanic"=2C with the powers necessary to sta
te whether this aircraft (or parts=2C etc) is safe=2C flyable=2C and comple
tely authorized for it's intended uses. Buyer is NOT to operate=2C use=2C
or put into service=2C said aircraft (or parts=2C etc) without such inspect
ion and approval by such authorized inspector.
It is also completely understood by Buyer=2C that Seller has no control w
hatsoever of the completed construction=2C maintenance=2C modification=2C a
lteration=2C change of design=2C use=2C or any other method where Buyer can
deviate from what Seller created=2C built or assembled. Seller does NOT c
ontrol what Buyer does! Buyer's initials_____________
Buyer agrees to fully comply with ALL laws=2C rules=2C guidelines=2C etc.
of all governing entities=2C with regard to building=2C repairing=2C flyin
g=2C maintaining=2C and using this aircraft (or parts=2C etc)
Any failure of Buyer to act in ANY unlawful=2C unauthorized=2C illegal=2C o
r otherwise prohibited fashion=2C is solely the fault and actions of the Bu
yer. Buyer's initials_____________
Lastly=2C Buyer understands and accepts it is his=2C and ONLY his=2C resp
onsibility to see that this aircraft (or parts=2C etc) is/are trustworthy
=2C and will safely perform as expected. Seller has no
ability to control Buyer's further actions=2C in any regard=2C with referen
ce to this transaction.
Sellers liability ends with this sale=2C and any future action by Buyer is
at Buyer's expense=2C both monetarily and physically.
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Kolb people=2C
I threw that together in the course of an hour and a half. I'd love to s
ee someone try to sue me=2C after signing this. I wouldn't need a lawyer.
I'd send a copy registered mail to their attorney=2C after I was notified
I was being sued.
Their attorney would ask for more "retainer" and then advise them "YOU DI
DN'T TELL ME THIS!!!!" "Am I supposed to go into court and tell the judge
=2C oops=2C we forgot this??!!"
Any single one of the items breached in the contract/hold harmless agreem
ent=2C breaches the whole thing.
Maybe because I've been through the process=2C and have had to deal with
so many scumbag attorneys (redundant=2C I know) that I am not hung up on th
is stuff. If you don't know anything else=2C you've GOT to know this!!!!
Attorneys don't do a damn thing unless they make the big bucks. And seeing
their clients notarized signature on my HH Form wouldn't look too promisin
g.
Yes=2C the EAA probably does have a HH form=2C but I didn't look.
Mike Welch
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
Mike
When the widow is standing in court crying with her six kids the jury
tends to overlook any hold harmless form. Your right about the money
thing. If you still have a big TARP bonus check, deep pockets, or
airplane liability insurance you will be a target. For the rest of us it
isn't worth the lawyers time.
I personally like the statement in the hold harmless that states that
this airplane is guaranteed to kill.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:25 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: lawyers
Kolb people,
I threw that together in the course of an hour and a half. I'd love
to see someone try to sue me, after signing this. I wouldn't need a
lawyer. I'd send a copy registered mail to their attorney, after I was
notified I was being sued.
Their attorney would ask for more "retainer" and then advise them
"YOU DIDN'T TELL ME THIS!!!!" "Am I supposed to go into court and tell
the judge, oops, we forgot this??!!"
Any single one of the items breached in the contract/hold harmless
agreement, breaches the whole thing.
Maybe because I've been through the process, and have had to deal
with so many scumbag attorneys (redundant, I know) that I am not hung up
on this stuff. If you don't know anything else, you've GOT to know
this!!!! Attorneys don't do a damn thing unless they make the big
bucks. And seeing their clients notarized signature on my HH Form
wouldn't look too promising.
Yes, the EAA probably does have a HH form, but I didn't look.
Mike Welch
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
From what I understand, well written hold harmless agreements can be
effective in preventing the person who signed it from bringing legal action
against you, but it's not binding on his heirs, even if there is verbage to
that effect on the paper... IOW if he crashes and dies you can still be
sued by his wife and/or kids. However, I've also read that including a
stipulation in the agreement that any disputes be settled by binding
arbitration rather than the courts IS binding on the heirs... and
arbitration by a group of people knowledgeable in the aviation world would
likely go much better for the seller than a jury of people who've never
seen an airplane smaller than a 737/
-Dana
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Maule SFS-P8A tail wheel on Kolb... |
Hello John H and Kolber's
I am going to follow John's lead and put a larger tail wheel on my Kolbra. I
am looking at the Maule SFS-P8A in Aircraft Spruce. Since I have yet to
build my tail, I am wondering if there is any need for, or recommendations
of structural changes to the lower vertical Stabilizer.
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
20*F.No volcanic ash falling today!!
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| From: | purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net |
| Subject: | Re: Hold Harmless Release Form |
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Rick=2C
This widow=2C who has six kids=2C is the same one who's husband spent all
of their money on home-built airplanes=2C isn't she??
In truth=2C not very many lawsuits of this scope go to trial. They usual
ly are decided by a judge=2C or mediated=2C or arbitrated. Remember=2C we'
re not talking Cessna=2C or Cirrus=2C just Billy Bob.
All the barstool legal advice (from me and others) doesn't diminish a tho
rough HH Agreement. NOT everything in this world is someone else's (previo
us) fault!! Sometimes=2C believe it or not=2C it is the guy that flew the
plane's fault. I still maintain that if this guy's lawyer got his mitts on
your copy of the HH Agreement=2C signed and notorized by his client=2C the
re just isn't going to be much further legal action. When there is no payd
ay for the bloodsucker=2C they move on ambulance chasing=2C and asbestos cl
aims.
Mike Welch
From: NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: lawyers
Date: Tue=2C 31 Mar 2009 11:49:22 -0400
Mike
When the widow is standing in court crying with her six kids the jury tends
to overlook any hold harmless form. Your right about the money thing. If y
ou still have a big TARP bonus check=2C deep pockets=2C or airplane liabili
ty insurance you will be a target. For the rest of us it isn't worth the la
wyers time.
I personally like the statement in the hold harmless that states that this
airplane is guaranteed to kill.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
Sent: Tuesday=2C March 31=2C 2009 11:25 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: lawyers
Kolb people=2C
I threw that together in the course of an hour and a half. I'd love to s
ee someone try to sue me=2C after signing this. I wouldn't need a lawyer.
I'd send a copy registered mail to their attorney=2C after I was notified
I was being sued.
Their attorney would ask for more "retainer" and then advise them "YOU DI
DN'T TELL ME THIS!!!!" "Am I supposed to go into court and tell the judge
=2C oops=2C we forgot this??!!"
Any single one of the items breached in the contract/hold harmless agreem
ent=2C breaches the whole thing.
Maybe because I've been through the process=2C and have had to deal with
so many scumbag attorneys (redundant=2C I know) that I am not hung up on th
is stuff. If you don't know anything else=2C you've GOT to know this!!!!
Attorneys don't do a damn thing unless they make the big bucks. And seeing
their clients notarized signature on my HH Form wouldn't look too promisin
g.
Yes=2C the EAA probably does have a HH form=2C but I didn't look.
Mike Welch
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Maule SFS-P8A tail wheel on Kolb... |
although bracing won't hurt, the larger diameter tailwheels reduce
stress on the whole works because
they ride smoother over rough ground. If you taxi on only paved
surfaces you shouldn't have to do anything.
If you are going with the Maule buy the SFSA soft solid version. -a
nice cushiony wheel that will never go flat.
A little expensive at $400+
I installed the homebuilt 6" L-696 soft solid wheel and am very
impressed. It handles and turns great and
IMO is more suited to a MKIII than a larger wheel. -additionally it
will fit a round tube if drilled out to match
the Kolb spring.
BB
(not BillyBob)
On 31, Mar 2009, at 1:23 PM, Nick Cassara wrote:
> Hello John H and Kolber=92s
>
> I am going to follow John=92s lead and put a larger tail wheel on my
> Kolbra. I am looking at the Maule SFS-P8A in Aircraft Spruce.
> Since I have yet to build my tail, I am wondering if there is any
> need for, or recommendations of structural changes to the lower
> vertical Stabilizer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
>
> Palmer, AK
> 20*F=85No volcanic ash falling today!!
>
>
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| Subject: | 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
| From: | "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
Fellow 912 Drivers -
Looking for your collective experiences to help me solve this 912ul
mystery.
Last week, after returning from a 2-hour flight in my Mark-3, I noticed
gas dripping from one of the air filters.
This has never happened before, so I am baffled as to what might've
caused this.
Here are some specifics of the flight, that might offer clues:
I was flying at a higher-than-normal (for me) power setting that day -
5100 rpm.
My auxiliary (electric) fuel pump was operating the whole time. It's a
Facet -same as what many of us use.
I also discovered fuel in the carb overflow hose - the little 1/8 inch
clear tube that comes out from the carb.
It only dripped for a minute or two after engine shutdown, then stopped.
The engine seemed to run fine the entire flight.
I suspect that the combination of 5100 rpm, plus having the electric
fuel pump running, might have caused excess fuel in the carb, thus
overflowing it. But I don't know this for sure.
Any clues?
Many thanks -
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, NM
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| From: | "Jim ODay" <jimoday(at)hotmail.com> |
I discussed this with a personal injury lawyer. He advised me to destroy the aircraft
if I no longer wanted it to be 100% safe. I did not follow his advise
and sold the plane.
The other defense to be safe is to be 100% broke. Civil litigation is always about
money; no money = no litigation.
--------
Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Jim=2C
You found one of those worthless attorneys I mentioned. To suggest you d
estroy the plane is just plain stupid=2C stupid=2C stupid!!
Selling the plane was more intelligent than his advice.
Remember people=2C we are talking about attorneys here. Some good=2C and
some not so good.
It's not like we were dealing with the best of the best....like community o
rganizers=2C or anything.
Mike Welch
And BB=2C that was funny as hell!!
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: lawyers
> From: jimoday(at)hotmail.com
> Date: Tue=2C 31 Mar 2009 12:03:24 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I discussed this with a personal injury lawyer. He advised me to destroy
the aircraft if I no longer wanted it to be 100% safe. I did not follow his
advise and sold the plane.
>
> The other defense to be safe is to be 100% broke. Civil litigation is alw
ays about money=3B no money = no litigation.
>
> --------
> Jim O'Day
> Fargo=2C ND
> Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237074#237074
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| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
So I guess selling a car or motorcycle could result in the same crap.
Ok say I sell my plane to someone and they take it home crash it and die. Now the
family hires a lawyer to sue me for selling them an unsafe aircraft. They would
probably say I willingly sold the person an aircraft that I knew was not
safe to fly.
What if i had a video of the demo flight performed by me and the guy on tape reading
and agreeing to the hold harmless form.
Would that be good evidence?
And to protect my financial assets what if upon receipt of the notice of the pending
lawsuit, I moved all of my assets over to my wife's name that way i did
not own a dime?
Cant be sued if you don't have anything right?
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| Subject: | Re: Distroying a KOLB ? |
| From: | "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
Ellery wrote: << with all the sue happy people these days is there a
way to save this from happening so the guy won't be liable for the plane
ever ? >>
Ellery -
This topic has been asked and kicked around on the Kolb List in the
past. I asked the same question to Joe Norris, of EAA Aviation Services
in Oshkosh. His answer was, in short, there is NO liability trail back
to the seller, by the very nature that it is an
Experimental/Amateur-Built aircraft. Here's why:
When the purchaser buys your aircraft, THEY must make the assertion that
the entire aircraft (including the engine) is in a condition for safe
operation. Further, on any given flight in an experimental aircraft,
the person operating the aircraft is responsible to ascertain that the
aircraft is in a condition for safe operation. Thus, there is no
responsibility to any party that had previous ownership of the aircraft
or its components.
Joe Norris goes on to suggest that you could, if you wish, make up some
form of sales document. This document would declare that the aircraft
is experimental in nature, and is sold "as is, where is" with no
warrantee of condition or suitability expressed or implied. I've even
seen someone suggest that, if you REALLY wanted to cover yourself, you
include the words, "THIS AIRCRAFT IS GUARANTEED TO KILL YOU." But that
seems like overkill.
Hope this helps ...
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul (with a drippy carb), in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
The only way fuel gets into the air filter is past the needle and seat.It h
as to fill the float bowl high enough to be pushed out of the main jet disch
arge.More pressure than the needle can handle,perhaps because of the use of
the aux pump.There are different size needles and seats for higher pressure
systems with the Bing 64CV.The residual pressure in the pump and hoses will
force fuel past the seat until the pressure equalizes atmospheric.=C2-
=C2- G Aman MK 3 C 2200 Jabiru Bing 64CV
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 1:59 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs
Fellow 912 Drivers =93
=C2-
Looking for your collective experiences to help me solve
this 912ul mystery.
Last week, after returning from a 2-hour flight in my
Mark-3, I noticed gas dripping from one of the air filters.
This has never happened before, so I am baffled as to what
might=99ve caused this.
=C2-
Here are some specifics of the flight, that might offer
clues:
I was flying at a higher-than-normal (for me) power setting
that day =93 5100 rpm.
My auxiliary (electric) fuel pump was operating the whole
time.=C2- It=99s a Facet =93same as what many of us use.
I also discovered fuel i
n the carb overflow hose =93 the
little 1/8 inch clear tube that comes out from the carb.
=C2-
It only dripped for a minute or two after engine shutdown,
then stopped.
The engine seemed to run fine the entire flight.
I suspect that the combination of 5100 rpm, plus having the electric
fuel pump running, might have caused excess fuel in the carb, thus overflowi
ng
it.=C2- =C2-But I don=99t know this for sure.
=C2-
Any clues?
=C2-
Many thanks =93
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, NM
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| From: | Jon LaVasseur <firestar503(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Distroying a KOLB ? Lawyers-lawsuits |
Hi Guys,=0A=0AI have been told some time ago that while there are numerous
urban legends regarding the sale of Experimental Amatuer Built aircraft tha
t there has never been a successful suit, brought against a builder, that r
esulted in significant damages being awarded.- Does anyone know, first ha
nd of actual damages?- I am sure builders have been sued but were the sui
ts successful?=0A=0AJon L=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland. wrote:
>
>
>
> Fellow 912 Drivers
>
> Looking for your collective experiences to help me solve this 912ul mystery.
> Last week, after returning from a 2-hour flight in my Mark-3, I noticed gas dripping
from one of the air filters.
> This has never happened before, so I am baffled as to what mightve caused this.
>
> Here are some specifics of the flight, that might offer clues:
> I was flying at a higher-than-normal (for me) power setting that day 5100 rpm.
> My auxiliary (electric) fuel pump was operating the whole time. Its a Facet
same as what many of us use.
> I also discovered fuel in the carb overflow hose the little 1/8 inch clear tube
that comes out from the carb.
>
> It only dripped for a minute or two after engine shutdown, then stopped.
> The engine seemed to run fine the entire flight.
> I suspect that the combination of 5100 rpm, plus having the electric fuel pump
running, might have caused excess fuel in the carb, thus overflowing it. But
I dont know this for sure.
>
> Any clues?
>
> Many thanks
> Dennis Kirby
> Cedar Crest, NM
>
There was a service bulletin on the 912 fuel pump (I believe it was the FP) a while
back where a possible overpressure situation could develop when an auxiliary
electric pump is used.
Can't remember if it was both the 80 and 100hp engines...
You might check through the bulletins on rotax-owner.com and see if your engine
is affected. I think you had to replace the fuel pump to comply with it.
Otherwise, could just be a sticky float valve. I had one of the float bowl pins
bent on one of my carbs when I first got mine, no idea how it got bent, but it
made it so only one float was actually functional. The motor ran perfectly,
but there was always a fine layer of gas on the float bowl after flying that I
simply didn't notice for a while. Replaced the bowl and that fixed it.
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland. wrote:
>
>
>
> I suspect that the combination of 5100 rpm, plus having the electric fuel pump
running, might have caused excess fuel in the carb, thus overflowing it. But
I dont know this for sure.
>
> Any clues?
>
>
Running the engine at a higher RPM should not cause any increase in fuel pressure
to the carbs. If you have the correct pressure rating electric pump, running
that the entire time should not cause gas to leak out the carb. With the correct
facet fuel pump installed, the pressure to the carb is the very close to
the same weather the electric pump is turned on or off. Assuming you have the
correct pressure facet electric pump, and assuming it has not been causing
this fuel overflow in the past, I see no reason to suspect it now.
>From what you describe, the float bowl of your carb is overfilling and letting
it leak out of the carb at places you describe. It sounds like a stuck float
or stuck float valve to me. I would also check the vitreon valve tip material
on the carb float valve to make sure it is in good condition and capable of
shutting off the gas in the float chamber to prevent overfilling of the float
bowl.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
You could always sell it to me cheap and I could ship it down under. We do
not sue people in our part of the world as we understand the principal of
personal responsability, also our legal system is not set up for this. Surly
anyone building a hot rod or restoring a old car must face the same problem.
The mind boggles. The only ones to make a fortune are the lawyers but then
again the lawyers make the laws.
Tony
Downunder
MK111
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: lawyers
>
> From what I understand, well written hold harmless agreements can be
> effective in preventing the person who signed it from bringing legal
> action against you, but it's not binding on his heirs, even if there is
> verbage to that effect on the paper... IOW if he crashes and dies you can
> still be sued by his wife and/or kids. However, I've also read that
> including a stipulation in the agreement that any disputes be settled by
> binding arbitration rather than the courts IS binding on the heirs... and
> arbitration by a group of people knowledgeable in the aviation world would
> likely go much better for the seller than a jury of people who've never
> seen an airplane smaller than a 737/
>
> -Dana
> --
> But it's NOT an ASSAULT Weapon, it's a DEFENSE weapon!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wandering Wench is on her way |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
For those who are interested, (how could one not be?) Arty Trost has begun her
journey to Sun & Fun. Go to
www.lessonsfromtheedge.com/uladventure2009.htm
to stay informed.
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, Generac V-Twin
Houston TX area
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| From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
How refreshing to know there are still Countries with their heads on straight!
------Original Message------
From: Tony Oldman
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Apr 1, 2009 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: lawyers
You could always sell it to me cheap and I could ship it down under. We do
not sue people in our part of the world as we understand the principal of
personal responsability, also our legal system is not set up for this. Surly
anyone building a hot rod or restoring a old car must face the same problem.
The mind boggles. The only ones to make a fortune are the lawyers but then
again the lawyers make the laws.
Tony
Downunder
MK111
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From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: lawyers
>
> From what I understand, well written hold harmless agreements can be
> effective in preventing the person who signed it from bringing legal
> action against you, but it's not binding on his heirs, even if there is
> verbage to that effect on the paper... IOW if he crashes and dies you can
> still be sued by his wife and/or kids. However, I've also read that
> including a stipulation in the agreement that any disputes be settled by
> binding arbitration rather than the courts IS binding on the heirs... and
> arbitration by a group of people knowledgeable in the aviation world would
> likely go much better for the seller than a jury of people who've never
> seen an airplane smaller than a 737/
>
> -Dana
> --
> But it's NOT an ASSAULT Weapon, it's a DEFENSE weapon!
>
>
>
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| From: | "Thomas R. Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
Good job on the HH. I too have been frivolously sued. It is no fun
and not cheap regardless of who "wins."
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Dennis,
As others have stated, the Viton tipped float valve is probably not sealing properly.
They do wear out in time and/or sometimes a tiny bit of debris can settle
between the float valve and seat. If you don't have one already, pay $10 for
a Bing Manual at
http://www.bingcarburetor.com/manual.html
and dig into the carbs (one at a time). If you have a few hundred hours or more
on these carbs, it is probably time to do an inspection, cleaning and selective
seal and parts replacement anyway.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
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http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks Thom=2C
When I was sued=2C it wasn't so much as frivolous=2C as it was misdirecte
d. I was a concrete contractor=2C and used a very rarely used concrete sup
plier to pour a customer some flatwork.
The concrete was bad. People sued me=2C I settled. Then I sued the concre
te supplier. I won.
With regard to building and selling your home-built airplane=2C there is
way too much "hype"=2C fear factor=2C and lack of knowledge. There are all
kinds of myths that some people keep alive=2C but the simple truth is=2C b
eing sued for building a plane is incredibly rare. Sure=2C there's lots of
horror stories=2C but these are 99% BS. (again=2C we're referrring to pri
vate parties here=2C not commercial)
People should just relax=2C enjoy building and flying their Kolbs. When
the time comes to sell it=2C get a thorough Hold Harmless Agreement (notori
zed)=2C and rest easy.
Mike Welch
MkIII
> Date: Wed=2C 1 Apr 2009 07:54:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: lawyers
> From: riddletr(at)gmail.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Mike=2C
>
> Good job on the HH. I too have been frivolously sued. It is no fun
> and not cheap regardless of who "wins."
>
> Thom in Buffalo
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
Grant
Unfortunately, the lawyers saw that one coming long ago. You cannot
divest yourself of your assets at the last minute to get some
protection. Doesn't work.
Even with the best of evidence, defending yourself would be way too
expensive.
And arbitration is way better all around, than litigation. I've had
experience with the American Arbitration Ass'n; they're good and
work well. BUT like the court judges, they select the next persons
available, regardless of their knowledge or lack thereof, about the
subject at hand. Just take the next man /woman in line. Another flaw
in our system. So you could get a board that didn't know much about,
or even didn't like, aviation. Big crap-shoot. Bah!
On Mar 31, 2009, at 4:46 PM, grantr wrote:
>
>
> So I guess selling a car or motorcycle could result in the same crap.
>
> Ok say I sell my plane to someone and they take it home crash it
> and die. Now the family hires a lawyer to sue me for selling them
> an unsafe aircraft. They would probably say I willingly sold the
> person an aircraft that I knew was not safe to fly.
>
> What if i had a video of the demo flight performed by me and the
> guy on tape reading and agreeing to the hold harmless form.
>
> Would that be good evidence?
>
> And to protect my financial assets what if upon receipt of the
> notice of the pending lawsuit, I moved all of my assets over to my
> wife's name that way i did not own a dime?
>
> Cant be sued if you don't have anything right?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237094#237094
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Thom and Mike both have good points.
A little wear on the needle valve attached to the floats to shut off the fuel,
plus maybe more vibration at 5100 in your particular plane (for whatever reason
i.e. prop or carb balance) and running an electric pump in series verse parallel
could all add up to fuel bypassing the needle valve shut off in the carb
and puking out the tube and or air intake.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
| From: | "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
Thanks to the 912 guys who responded to my question with good advice!
Gary A. - I think you are right ... the likely culprit is my electric
fuel pump pushing too much gas thru the carbs. I will try flying with
the electric Facet "off" and see what happens. I may also consider
plumbing my auxiliary fuel pump in parallel rather than in series, like
it is now.
Lucien - Good idea to look inside the float bowls - see if I have any
stuck floats or bent pins.
Mike B. - Again, good tips about a potential overpressure from the Facet
pump, as well as a possible stuck float.
I'll address each of these ideas one at a time, and report back to the
List when I discover the fix.
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, New Mexico
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| Subject: | Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
This subject has been broached before but I thought it might be worth noting again.
Some Kolbers have been searching for a transparent gascolator with drain
valve. I found one which you can see here.
http://www.rotaxparts.net/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=690
I know nothing about it but what is said in the ad.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
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A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
- Racor has been around for a long time.- Back in the early '70's, the
company I worked for had bought a bunch of VW Rabbit diesels, and they were
equiped with these to get the water out.- Worked very well with diesel.
-- The last company I worked for had trouble with water in the diesel,
and we acquired what we referred to as "plastic tampons".- They were abou
t an inch in diameter and 6 inches long, and had an exterior plastic cage w
ith a mesh screen inside.- In that was some dessicant crystals that would
expand as water was absorbed.- When the cage was full, we would replace.
- I think they could be dried, but I'd be real careful with gas.- These
had a string to tie them to the gas cap.- I believe they were inexpensiv
e, and I know they worked great- especially on yard equipment that was not
fueled very often.- Seems like these would be ideal for aircraft.
-
-------------------------
-------------------- Bill Sullivan
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-------------------- Windsor Locks,
ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
williamtsullivan(at)att.n wrote:
> < < > > Seems like these would be ideal for aircraft.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, ct.
>
Some caution...... Might be a similar issue as the "Mr Funnel" filters for those
aircraft using pre-mix. (Over time loses the ability to trap water out of
fuel.)
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
- George- Not the same as the MR funnel.- This catridge has dessicant c
rystals in it- kind of very large off-white salt looking.- They expand un
til they fill the tube, and then you replace.- Very easy to check the sta
tus- it starts out as 1/4 full, and they expand to fill it.- You just tie
off the string and drop it in.- Worked great, but I have no idea of the
supplier or the cost.- I seem to remember they were cheap.- Maybe avail
able through truck stops, or we might have got them from Jack Young and Co.
in Allston, Mass.- Young was our supplier.
-
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-- Bill Sullivan
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-- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
williamtsullivan(at)att.n wrote:
> George- Not the same as the MR funnel. This catridge has dessicant crystals
in it- kind of very large off-white salt looking. < < > >
>
Bill:
Didn't mean to imply that it was like a Mr. Funnel from a content/chemistry standpoint....
the issue that should be considered is whether or not a fuel/oil mix
going through the device affects its ability to accomplish the design purpose
(separate/trap/filter the water). The quick scan that I did on the info doesn't
mention fuel/oil mix..... just fuel.
That's all. Just a thought. May not even be worth $.02!
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
- Goerge- From what I have seen, it ought to work.- The unit just sits
on the bottom of the tank, absorbing water.- If it works in diesel, gas/o
il shouldnb't be a problem.- I know it works with a diesel stand-pipe, so
a top feed tank won't be bothered.- For a bottom feed, it wouldn't block
it either.- The only questions that come to mind are if it would work wi
th gas; or if it moves around enough to hit and break a stand-pipe in aircr
aft service.- Maybe John H.- or somebody else who has been around a farm-
has more knowledge than I do.- I can say that the units worked as advert
ised, could be visually inspected, and did not bother the fuel feeds on any
of the trucks or farm tractors.- This is not an in-line filter, it just
lays on the bottom of the tank.
- If it looks interesting to anyone, I can call my old employer and see i
f they remember the source and cost.
-
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------------------------ Bi
ll Sullivan
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------------------------ Wi
ndsor Locks, Ct.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
At 01:53 PM 4/1/2009, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
>This subject has been broached before but I thought it might be worth
>noting again. Some Kolbers have been searching for a transparent
>gascolator with drain valve. I found one which you can see here.
>
>http://www.rotaxparts.net/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=690
Not a small (or inexpensive) thing. A bit large for my UltraStar.
A subject of current personal interest to me, since it was my friends who
were badly injured in the MKIII crash last fall due to water in the fuel
(the plane had no sump or gascolator). It just so happens that I'm making
a simple small gascolator right now, with a clear bowl, drain valve, two
inlets, and no filter (I have a separate fuel filter in the line). Once
it's done I'll post more information on it.
-Dana
--
When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced...
Live your life so that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice.
-- Cherokee saying
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| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
The best way to remove water from an aircraft fuel system is a gascolator. General
aviation aircraft have been flying for better than 70 years using gascolators.
I would not be anxious to try some limited use chemical way of removing
water from my Kolb. I just drain the gascolator at the low point of my fuel
system before each flight to check for water, as aviators have been successfully
doing for decades. I most definitely would not put something in the fuel
system line that could become clogged. There is no need for the gascolator
to be clear either, I see the gas when it drains out, and see what comes out,
again the same as a Cessna and most certified airplanes. You can get a gascolator
at Aircraft Spruce for around 70 bucks.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/acsgascolator.php
Make sure you order the Auto Gas compatible gasket for it if you buy it, the one
that comes installed is for Avgas only and will swell with auto fuel. Thats
an extra 5 bucks....
Mike
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have !!!
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
Dana- This gadget we have been discussing only weighs about 2 ounces, empty
and dry.- Full (of water) it probably has absorbed maybe 6 ounces.
- How are your friends doing?
-
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- Bill Sullivan
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- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
At 05:58 PM 4/1/2009, william sullivan wrote:
>Dana- This gadget we have been discussing only weighs about 2 ounces,
>empty and dry. Full (of water) it probably has absorbed maybe 6 ounces.
> How are your friends doing?
They're OK... Bob's walking with a cane but still needs some surgery, I
think, and Dave's pretty much healed.
-Dana
--
When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced...
Live your life so that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice.
-- Cherokee saying
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
To all,
=C2- Just a little trick for flooding problems.If a piece of debris gets s
tuck in the seat and is held there by the pressure exerted on the needle by
higher than normal fuel level,,just clamp off the fuel line and let the engi
ne run until it is ready to quit.You can usually tell when it leans out and
picks up a few RPM.Now the fuel bowl is near empty,but of more importance, t
he needle has dropped clear of the seat,and by releasing the clamp, a rush o
f fuel will clear the debris out of the seat and off the needle.Like Beaufor
d says,worth what ye paid for it.
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- G Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A Bing 64CV
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Sent: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:43 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Question - Gas dripping from the Carbs
Thanks to the 912 guys who responded to my question with
good advice!
=C2-
Gary A. =93 I think you are right the likely
culprit is my electric fuel pump pushing too much gas thru the carbs.=C2-
I
will try flying with the electric Facet =9Coff=9D and see what
happens.=C2- I may also consider plumbing my auxiliary fuel pump in parall
el
rather than in series, like it is now.
=C2-
Lucien =93 Good idea to look inside the float bowls =93
see if I have any stuc
k floats or bent pins.
=C2-
Mike B. =93 Again, good tips about a potential
overpressure from the Facet pump, as well as a possible stuck float.
=C2-
I=99ll address each of these ideas one at a time, and
report back to the List when I discover the fix.
=C2-
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, New Mexico
0 -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| From: | ElleryWeld(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: fuel flow meter |
I put the MK3xtra on hold for a while I am about to get back into it now
the guy that had my old firestar couldn't fly without getting air sick and
sold
it to someone else in MN and I haven't heard from him in a while but he had
damaged a wing tip the last I knew I dont know if he was capable of the
repair or not
Ellery building Mk3Xtra
In a message dated 3/31/2009 2:03:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy"
Hey Ellery,
You should be just about done with the Mark III X by now.
I don't hang around here... So I haven't noticed if you've posted
progress....
Don't know if you heard... But the guy you made the trade with...
Can't fly... either he gets air sick.... or he got scared...Don't know.
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" the Flying Dog
.
Building Wittman- Buttercup
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| Subject: | Re: Maule SFS-P8A tail wheel on Kolb... |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I like the larger tailwheels, I need to do that one day, along with a bunch of
other projects :) I was wondering how the larger 6 inch Aircraft Spruce tailwheel
would fit on a round spring. Did drilling it out leave enough material
for the tailwheel not to crack at the mount ? John H's bracing on tail is also
nice, if I had the ability to weld, I would do that also.
Mike
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have !!!
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Maule SFS-P8A tail wheel on Kolb... |
Mike, plenty of wall thickness after the resizing. I also shortened
the spring rod.
BB
On 2, Apr 2009, at 5:31 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> I like the larger tailwheels, I need to do that one day, along with
> a bunch of other projects :) I was wondering how the larger 6
> inch Aircraft Spruce tailwheel would fit on a round spring. Did
> drilling it out leave enough material for the tailwheel not to
> crack at the mount ? John H's bracing on tail is also nice, if I
> had the ability to weld, I would do that also.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
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>
>
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| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel flow meter |
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| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel flow meter |
I got a Navman 3100 fuel flow meter.... my console wasn't big enough
for it, so I hand-made a box for it to go into, and put it on the
"floor" of my MkIII... all the power and cables are underneath, so it's
a clean installation.
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
- I agree that a gascolator is a very valuable component of the fuel syst
em, but I am thinking of the water held in the fuel by the alcohol in E-10.
- I was wondering if a dessicant cartridge could extract the water from t
he alcohol before it reached the gascolator.- Anyone know enough chemistr
y to determine how much water could be absorbed by E-10 before it reaches a
saturation point?- The catridge (if it works on E-10) would be a lightwe
ight safety backup for a gascolator, plus has the advantage of no plumbing,
visual checking for water, or a lightweight alternative for 103 weight wat
chers.
-
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ll Sullivan
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ndsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Maule SFS-P8A tail wheel on Kolb... |
| From: | "robcannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net> |
Mike and others - John H's bracing on tail is nice, and I believe a very good idea.
If you look at the pics he posted you'll see one of someone else's plane
(looks very similar to his) that shows the bracing done with flat stock aluminum,
bolted at each end. I did mine this way and it was simple, and I believe
a VERY good mod.
cheers, Rob Cannon
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
At 07:27 AM 4/3/2009, william sullivan wrote:
> I agree that a gascolator is a very valuable component of the fuel
> system, but I am thinking of the water held in the fuel by the alcohol in
> E-10. I was wondering if a dessicant cartridge could extract the water
> from the alcohol before it reached the gascolator. Anyone know enough
> chemistry to determine how much water could be absorbed by E-10 before it
> reaches a saturation point? The catridge (if it works on E-10) would be
> a lightweight safety backup for a gascolator, plus has the advantage of
> no plumbing, visual checking for water, or a lightweight alternative for
> 103 weight watchers.
If the water is held in solution by the ethanol it's not a major problem;
it's when there's too much, or it separates out, that you have a problem
with engine noise (or rather, the lack of it). I forget the exact amount
that's soluble but google "olive jar test for ethanol"; it's how you test
for ethanol (by adding water to a fuel sample until no more water dissolves).
I'd be leery of dropping a dessicant cartridge in my fuel tank; somebody
said they're made for diesel fuel, but what about gasoline? And even if
they're OK with gasoline, what about ethanol or other additives?
-Dana
--
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer
to pick on rich women than biker gangs.
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 04:27:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
>..................
The cartridge (if it works on E-10) would be a lightweight safety backup for
a gascolator, plus has the advantage of no plumbing, visual checking for
water, or a lightweight alternative for 103 weight watchers.
>
Bill,
The best back up is to ensure no water gets into the tank. When fuel is low
in the five gallon FireFly tank, it is very easy to look in through the bung
to see if there is water on the tank bottom. Also, since I refuel with 2.5
gallon plastic cans, it is very easy to do the same with them. When
refueling, I never pour out the last drop into the FireFly tank. This
captures all water and debris in the bottom of the refueling cans. I remove
the FireFly tank in the Spring and purge out the accumulated water and
debris. It is rare to get more than a dimes volume of water from the tank.
I have never found any water in the Bing float bowl.
Normally I do not purge the refilling cans, as I use the remaining fuel as
oil slosh fuel before refilling the cans. But when I can see some build up,
I will purge the refilling cans too. One must be careful when refueling
from other than your own cans, etc.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
Dana- That is why I was asking.- I don't know about compatability with a
gas/oil mix.- I am wondering about the supposed tendabcy of E-10 to pick
up and suspend quantities of water from, say, high humidity.- Naturally,
the bulk of raw water would be easy to get out of straight mo-gas with an M
R filter or gascolator, but what about E-10 that already has absorbed an am
ount of water.- Would the alcohol permit the water to go through the MR?
- Would a dessicant draw the water from the alcohol/ water mix?- Curios
ity on my part, now that straight mo-gas is not available around here any m
ore.
-
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----------------------- Bill
Sullivan
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----------------------- Winds
or Locks, Ct.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
At 02:00 PM 4/3/2009, william sullivan wrote:
>I am wondering about the supposed tendabcy of E-10 to pick up and suspend
>quantities of water from, say, high humidity. Naturally, the bulk of raw
>water would be easy to get out of straight mo-gas with an MR filter or
>gascolator, but what about E-10 that already has absorbed an amount of
>water. Would the alcohol permit the water to go through the MR?
Yes. There is a difference between a suspension and a
solution. Suspension is what you have when you shake the oil and vinegar
for your salad (vinegar being basically water). It mixes, sort of, but the
water is still in discrete blobs and but settles back out
immediately. That's what a Mr Funnel strains out.
A solution is different, like stirring sugar into your tea. It dissolves
(up to a point) and is no longer identifiable as separate clumps... and
can't be strained out.
Mix water into gas containing ethanol, and some will go into solution, up
to the saturation limit. A Mr Funnel won't take it out (and I don't
believe dessicant would either, but I could be wrong). Add more and it
settles to the bottom (or suspension if you shake it). The Mr Funnel will
take only that part of it out.
-Dana
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
- Dana- Now the question is whether it is possible to get some E-10 that
for some reason has already absorbed say, about 95% of the water it is capa
ble of soaking up.- If this will go through an MR funnel, will the gascol
ator remove it?- Also, how much performance would be lost with the combin
ation of 10% alcohol, plus all the water?- I am just doing a little intel
lectual speculation here, I don't have anything specific in mind.- Or, po
ssibly find a little insurance against water absorption in gas (E-10) store
d long term in aircraft or in reserve cans.- I understand long term witho
ut Sta-Bil is around 30 days, and it does seem to lose it's volitility in p
ower equipment stored over a season- lawn mowers, etc.
-
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------------------------ Bi
ll Sullivan
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ndsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
| From: | "Dana" <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
OK, here's my new transparent gascolator. As I've said, I don't want a large heavy
expensive aircraft gascolator for my ultralight, don't want a cheap glass
tractor gascolator with no drain, either, but I do want to be able to see what's
inside... so I made my own (see attached picture).
Basically, it's a 3" x 1.75" x 1" polycarbonate block with nylon fittings and a
Saf-Air drain valve. No filter, since I also have an inline filter. It's not
on the plane yet, but it's sitting on my workbench filled with gas/oil mix as
a final chemical compatibility check.
-Dana
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
At 07:37 PM 4/3/2009, william sullivan wrote:
> Dana- Now the question is whether it is possible to get some E-10 that
> for some reason has already absorbed say, about 95% of the water it is
> capable of soaking up. If this will go through an MR funnel, will the
> gascolator remove it?
No, as I said if it's in solution the Mr Funnel won't take it out, and it
won't settle out in the gascolator either, unless the temperature drops
(the amount that will stay in solution varies with temperature).
> Also, how much performance would be lost with the combination of 10%
> alcohol, plus all the water? I am just doing a little intellectual
> speculation here, I don't have anything specific in mind. Or, possibly
> find a little insurance against water absorption in gas (E-10) stored
> long term in aircraft or in reserve cans. I understand long term without
> Sta-Bil is around 30 days, and it does seem to lose it's volitility in
> power equipment stored over a season- lawn mowers, etc.
I don't know how much performance you'd lose, but I doubt it's that
much. Re old gas, I've used old (6 months +) gas in my PPG and seen no
performance difference. This only applies to gas in SEALED containers,
though. My rule is, it the gas doesn't smell bad, it's OK (though I'll be
draining and refilling my Kolb tanks after the winter,because the tanks
AREN'T sealed (Vented).
-Dana
--
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got all the lawyers?
A: New Jersey had first choice.
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| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Dana
That is quite a nice rendering of your gascolator, what program did you use to
make that picture ? That should be great, given that you check your plastic
tanks anyways, you will probably never get more than a trace of water in your
system. The biggest problem is, most f us don't have the materials and ability
to make a gascolator, I suppose I could build one, but it would take so much
time and effort, probably days, that I am better off to spend the 80 bucks.
The one from Aircraft Spruce weights only about 8 ounces, and not so big that
it would look out of place on an ultralight.
The important thing is that we have a gascolator. As in the case of the outside
airplane, the gascolator saved a failed engine by keeping a bunch of water rather
then sending it to the carbs. A gascolator is also useful for getting any
small solid debris out finds its way into the lines.
Mike
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have !!!
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fear of Liability |
All this talk about product liability -- remember Thuman Munson ? He
bought a Cessna Citation 501, and was killed in it.
As I recall Cessna had to pay his estate 22 million!
The Citation is a well-proven design, it certainly was NOT Cessna's
fault -- but they still had to pay.
The lawyers always go after the deepest pockets they can find (we
should be pretty safe!) and it becomes a contest to see which side
can find the hungriest lawyers.
A sorry state of affairs. What's happened to our country?
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | non-transparent gascolator |
Mike B.
Dana did a very good job building his fuel drain block. (although is isn
't quite a gascolator=2C but in his case=2C doesn't need to be) I do have
the ability and the tools to copy his design=2C and have a block of aluminu
m that would be perfect for such a project. But......
I went to Aircraft Spruce=2C and looked for the $80 gascolator=2C like yo
u mentioned. I assume the "Usher Gascolator" is the one you were referring
to. Although it would be closer to a $100=2C after you add all the fittin
gs and the Saf Air drain valve=2C it still looks like a deal!
This Usher Gascolator appears to be a very high quality item=2C and I can
't imagine even trying to make a fuel block=2C when you can get one of thes
e for $80. I especially like the fact that it has a sediment bowl.
This gascolator subject is very timely for me=2C since my engine installa
tion is virtually finished=2C except for reinstalling my fuel tanks and gas
colator. My fuel lines are finished=2C and are simply waiting to be slid o
n and clamped tight. I will not be re-installing any of the drain system I
had.
I was looking for a decent gascolator system. Found one=2C thanks.
BTW=2C I know there is a lot of interest in having a clear sediment bowl.
But=2C to be honest=2C this isn't all that necessary. In your preflight
inspection=2C you should always drain your fuel sump (whatever design it is
) into your fuel checker flask. The flask gives you all the ability you ne
ed to see and remove what's coming out of the fuel lines. Being able to se
e the water in the sediment bowl isn't really necessary=2C when you conside
r you CAN drain it into something you can see.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Fear of Liability |
In a message dated 4/4/2009 7:54:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
russ(at)rkiphoto.com writes:
A sorry state of affairs. What's happened to our country?
Can you spell GREED!!!!!
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| From: | Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
Dana, does it make a difference (or preferable) whether the gascolator
is before or after the inline filter?
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
Firefly 098
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
At 12:41 AM 4/4/2009, JetPilot wrote:
>That is quite a nice rendering of your gascolator, what program did you
>use to make that picture ? That should be great, given that you check
>your plastic tanks anyways, you will probably never get more than a trace
>of water in your system. The biggest problem is, most f us don't have
>the materials and ability to make a gascolator...
The rendering was done in KeyCreator (formerly Cadkey, which I've been
using for years). This one is real simple to make, at its crudest just a
saw, drill press, and some drills and taps (though I admit I had a
machinist friend mill the sides to get them cleaner).
I actually started out intending to use a glass tube clamped between
endplates with o-rings, but that required a lathe which I don't have...
then I saw my friend had this bar of Lexan clamped on his Bridgeport...
-Dana
--
I no longer need to punish, deceive or compromise myself. Unless, of
course, I want to stay employed.
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| Subject: | Re: non-transparent gascolator |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Mike,
Glad to hear you are making good progress on rebuilding your plane, that must mean
your recovery went very well also ! There are lots of good options for gascolators
out there, its just important that you have one. In my MK III, I have
the gascolator inside the fuselage, with just the drain sticking out the bottom
of the fuselage, so I could not see it even if it was clear ! Its cool
though, I have the quick drain just like a real Cessna :) I do drain into a
clear glass, so if there is anything in the fuel I will see it when I drain it
out.
I have my gascolator before my fuel filter, that way I can see and remove large
debris before it gets to the filter stage. The gascolator also has a screen
in it, so large stuff would never get to the filter and get drained out. Then
it goes on to the 10 micron filter that gets out even the smallest of particles.
Mike
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have !!!
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: non-transparent gascolator |
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: non-transparent gascolator
Mike B.
Dana did a very good job building his fuel drain block. (although
is isn't quite a gascolator, but in his case, doesn't need to be) I do
have the ability and the tools to copy his design, and have a block of
aluminum that would be perfect for such a project. But......
I find it interesting that you guys are going to all that trouble to
make? or buy a gascolator, especially one that will fit in a Kolb that
you can see through. I do have one that is drained out through the
bottom of the plane at the fuels lowest point, (in front of the filter)
from a Curtis Fuel Valve that I think cost me $16.00. A standard GA
application is drained into a standard collector with a clear body.
(even has a little screw driver on the end of it) Other than the cost of
the valve the rest only cost perhaps $6.00 at the most. Mine has been in
operation for at least two years with no problems or leaks. I got the
design from one by Rev Pike, posted on the list about two years ago, It
is made from 1 1/2 PVC. It takes a small piece of PVC and two caps to
make the body of the gascolator, two nylon 1/4 inch barbs with one
threaded end. The Curtis valve is also tapped and threaded into the
bottom which in my case goes through the bottom of the plane to allow me
to drain the gascolator or the fuel for that matter. The inlet and
outlet are installed in the top cap. The fuel goes in the top and the
water and sediment floats to the bottom of the gascolator. I have a
small plate mounted on the bottom of the cage that mine is clamped to in
an upright position, with the Curtis valve clamped to the bottom plate.
If you don't have a handy plate on the bottom of your plane, you can
install one with out too much trouble. all you would need to do is
measure the distance and diameter of two of the cross tubes on the
bottom. Make a plate with tabs that will fit on top of the tubes.
__ __
I I
I___________I
They can then either be riveted to the top of if your are reluctant to
drill a hole there, leave a small tab on each side that will allow you
to put a small hose clamp on the tabs over the tube.
You will need some taps for the nylon hose barbs and some thread
sealer.
Larry
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
- Thank you, Henry, very informative.- For the actual amount of water i
nvolved with the ethanol, the dessicant cartridge looks like a wasted effor
t.- It was extremely helpful with the trucks, and also with the occassion
ally used farm equipment.- With the E-10, a gascolator and MR look like t
he best bet.
-
-------------------------
---------------- Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Douglas Fly-In slideshow/video |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Where have you been Crystal ? I havent seen a post from you for several weeks.
Have you been flying ? I have not flow my Kolb in well over a month, every
day I am in Miami, its very windy :( Today and tomorrow look perfect, and I am
up north flying airplanes that aren't as much fun as my Kolb...
I ran across this picture of a MK III like yours in flight, the elevator seems
to be very close to she same position as yours, so its probably normal. The big
wedge of the MK III Xtra tends to push the nose down a lot, so the elevator
is a lot more up during flight.
Mike
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have !!!
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| From: | K I <wrk2win4u(at)msn.com> |
Hello List=2C
I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if everything turns out well. I h
ave not owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been impressed with th
e Kolb for many years.
I am on the edge of =93pulling the trigger=94=2C (finalizing the deal) on a
Kolb Markll. I have some questions about the plane and the engine. Any adv
ice provided by the writers of this list will be taken very seriously.
First of all=2C the plane is registered and has an =93N=94 number. It was p
ut in a hanger in August of 2008 and not started or flown since. The engine
is a Hirth 2704 electric start single carburetor with a 3 blade prop. Acco
rding to the seller=2C it has been =93hard landed=94 once. This only bent t
he left wheel strut slightly. The strut has been replaced. The engine has 1
75 hours total hours.
Well=2C I know I=92m asking a lot of information on a plane =93sight unseen
=94. What should I look for as far as =93RED FLAGS=94=2C safety issues or p
otential costly problems?
Thank you for any advice provided=2C
Kurt
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
The Hirth for one thing. Perhaps this engine is ok, but I have at least
one friend that has been through three of them and did not ever get one
that didn't set him down in the pucker brush. Not really willing to say
that the engine is no good, just be very critical and get it checked out
completely before you jump.
Larry C
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From: K I
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Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb markll
Hello List,
I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if everything turns out
well. I have not owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been
impressed with the Kolb for many years.
I am on the edge of =93pulling the trigger=94, (finalizing the deal)
on a Kolb Markll. I have some questions about the plane and the engine.
Any advice provided by the writers of this list will be taken very
seriously.
First of all, the plane is registered and has an =93N=94 number. It
was put in a hanger in August of 2008 and not started or flown since.
The engine is a Hirth 2704 electric start single carburetor with a 3
blade prop. According to the seller, it has been =93hard landed=94 once.
This only bent the left wheel strut slightly. The strut has been
replaced. The engine has 175 hours total hours.
Well, I know I=92m asking a lot of information on a plane =93sight
unseen=94. What should I look for as far as =93RED FLAGS=94, safety
issues or potential costly problems?
Thank you for any advice provided,
Kurt
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Look at it in person before writing a check. A positive is the owner
being honest enough to tell you
about a hard landing. Look for any bends in the little tubes welded
to the gear socket and slack fabric
on that side of the cage.
Look at the registration certificate and the airworthiness
certificate. They should be together.
Check the logbook for the most recent "condition inspection" and
whether done by the owner with
a repairman certificate or an A&P. Good logs are a plus.
I would want to witness the engine running with at least some
( tethered) full throttle.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
On 4, Apr 2009, at 11:03 PM, K I wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if everything turns out
> well. I have not owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been
> impressed with the Kolb for many years.
>
> I am on the edge of =93pulling the trigger=94, (finalizing the deal)
on
> a Kolb Markll. I have some questions about the plane and the
> engine. Any advice provided by the writers of this list will be
> taken very seriously.
>
> First of all, the plane is registered and has an =93N=94 number. It
was
> put in a hanger in August of 2008 and not started or flown since.
> The engine is a Hirth 2704 electric start single carburetor with a
> 3 blade prop. According to the seller, it has been =93hard landed=94
> once. This only bent the left wheel strut slightly. The strut has
> been replaced. The engine has 175 hours total hours.
>
> Well, I know I=92m asking a lot of information on a plane =93sight
> unseen=94. What should I look for as far as =93RED FLAGS=94, safety
> issues or potential costly problems?
>
>
> Thank you for any advice provided,
>
> Kurt
>
>
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Everything I have ever heard about Hirth engines is bad, very bad !!! I personally
would not buy a Hirth engine at any price. There are always good deals
on MK III 's out there, how much are you looking at spending ? Maybe waiting
for a MK III with a Rotax might be a better option.
In all fairness, we do have a guy here on the list that flys with a Hirth and likes
it. I personally think he has exceptional skills that most others do not
have to have kept that engine running good, and maybe a bit of luck also ;)
The Kolb is a great airplane, but make sure you get the right one. Don't rush
into getting an airplane that you will not be able to fly due to a poor engine
choice. Even a Kolb will not fly without a good engine.
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Maule SFS-P8A tail wheel on Kolb... |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Rob,
Can you post pictures of yours !!! I think I get the idea, but I would like to
see exactly what you did. This is a good mod I would like to do sooner rather
than later.
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Wandering Wench is on her way |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Be sure to click on the " Blog " link, Arty has a very good day to day narrative
of her flight along with pictures. I find myself looking at this every day
!
Mike
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have !!!
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
Let the engine warm up (cylinder head temps)
before doing any full throttle runs.
jerb
At 10:51 PM 4/4/2009, you wrote:
>Look at it in person before writing a check. A
>positive is the owner being honest enough to tell you
>about a hard landing. Look for any bends in the
>little tubes welded to the gear socket and slack fabric
>on that side of the cage.
>Look at the registration certificate and the
>airworthiness certificate. They should be together.
>Check the logbook for the most recent "condition
>inspection" and whether done by the owner with
>a repairman certificate or an A&P. Good logs are a plus.
>
>I would want to witness the engine running with
>at least some ( tethered) full throttle.
>BB
>MkIII, suzuki
>
>On 4, Apr 2009, at 11:03 PM, K I wrote:
>
>>Hello List,
>>
>>I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if
>>everything turns out well. I have not owned or
>>flown a Kolb before. I however have been
>>impressed with the Kolb for many years.
>>
>>I am on the edge of pulling the trigger,
>>(finalizing the deal) on a Kolb Markll. I have
>>some questions about the plane and the engine.
>>Any advice provided by the writers of this list will be taken very seriously.
>>
>>First of all, the plane is registered and has
>>an N number. It was put in a hanger in August
>>of 2008 and not started or flown since. The
>>engine is a Hirth 2704 electric start single
>>carburetor with a 3 blade prop. According to
>>the seller, it has been hard landed once.
>>This only bent the left wheel strut slightly.
>>The strut has been replaced. The engine has 175 hours total hours.
>>
>>Well, I know Im asking a lot of information on
>>a plane sight unseen. What should I look for
>>as far as RED FLAGS, safety issues or potential costly problems?
>>
>>
>>Thank you for any advice provided,
>>
>>Kurt
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wandering Wench is on her way |
Mike
Where do I find Arty's "blog link"? I'm on her website but don't see it
Thanx
On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:01 AM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> Be sure to click on the " Blog " link, Arty has a very good day to
> day narrative of her flight along with pictures. I find myself
> looking at this every day !
>
> Mike
>
> --------
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> as you could have !!!
>
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237783#237783
>
>
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| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I've never built a complete airplane but have bought many used experimental airplanes.
If it is being sold as a flying airplane, I always insist on the seller
flying it for me. Many times I've even insisted on the seller flying it to my
airport for delivery, with me paying his out-of-pocket expenses. If s/he won't
at least fly the airplane in my presence then I walk away.
If it is a repair project that is a completely different scenario and it should
be priced as such. If you land hard enough to bend a leg there is a fair chance
there is other hidden damage. If it is not flyable with the bent leg, offer
to pay for a new one if he'll fly it with the new leg. If you buy the airplane
you are going to have to buy a new gear leg anyway. If he balks at that, I'd
walk away.
If you are not confident of the older Hirth engines make allowance for a replacement
engine in your pricing or ask him to sell it without the engine at a price
that will allow you to buy an engine in which you have confidence.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
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A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Hirth's use a flat belt to drive the fan. Make sure it hasn't flipped. One
side of the belt has a rubber coating, the other side is braid. The braid
side no run the fan so good. It's a 50 cent shim to fix it, but a bearcat t
o
do the first time. If you find the belt flipped, it's almost certain the
engine has been over heated.
Rick
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:03 PM, K I wrote:
> Hello List,
>
>
> I soon will be the owner of a Kolb Markll if everything turns out well.
> I have not owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been impressed wi
th
> the Kolb for many years.
>
>
> I am on the edge of =93pulling the trigger=94, (finalizing the deal) on a
Kolb
> Markll. I have some questions about the plane and the engine. Any advice
> provided by the writers of this list will be taken very seriously.
>
>
> First of all, the plane is registered and has an =93N=94 number. It was p
ut in
> a hanger in August of 2008 and not started or flown since. The engine is
a
> Hirth 2704 electric start single carburetor with a 3 blade prop. Accordin
g
> to the seller, it has been =93hard landed=94 once. This only bent the lef
t wheel
> strut slightly. The strut has been replaced. The engine has 175 hours tot
al
> hours.
>
>
> Well, I know I=92m asking a lot of information on a plane =93sight unseen
=94.
> What should I look for as far as =93RED FLAGS=94, safety issues or potent
ial
> costly problems?
>
>
> Thank you for any advice provided,
>
>
> Kurt
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Make sure there are no kinks in the tail boom...inspect the whole length.
chris ambrose
m3x/jab
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| From: | "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs(at)elltel.net> |
Here's the direct link to Arty's blog.
http://www.lessonsfromtheedge.com/b2evolution/blog1.php
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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Buy it without the Hirth and get yourself a Rotax....they
never have problems...:-) No one has reported a seizure for
several weeks now...:-)
Herb
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: non-transparent gascolator |
At 10:43 AM 4/4/2009, Mike Welch wrote:
> I went to Aircraft Spruce, and looked for the $80 gascolator, like you
> mentioned. I assume the "Usher Gascolator" is the one you were referring
> to. Although it would be closer to a $100, after you add all the
> fittings and the Saf Air drain valve, it still looks like a deal...I know
> there is a lot of interest in having a clear sediment bowl. But, to be
> honest, this isn't all that necessary. In your preflight inspection, you
> should always drain your fuel sump (whatever design it is) into your fuel
> checker flask...
If I was flying a larger plane like the MKIII's most of you guys fly, I'd
agree. I always had a drain cup in my T-Craft. But my UltraStar has no
cockpit at all, not even a pod, so I need to limit what I carry around, and
being Part 103, I also need to minimize the weight. Besides, I just like
making things...
-Dana
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| Subject: | Any suggestions for sticking altimeter? |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hello folks,
Was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a sticking altimeter? I know the
obvious suggestion is buy a new one. Probably will do that. It is sticking
around 500 ft. That is kinda where I spend a lot of time. Must have wore the
mechanism out there. It will come unstuck with a few taps or with enough gain
in altitude.
We stay in a very humid and wet environment. I think the guts have rusted or something.
Just wondering if there are I tricks out there for this?
Looking at AS&S for new altimeter. Trying to work on squawk list for MV. Yesterday,
flew 2.3 hours with 9 cross wind landings (15 knots) to build up my wind
threshold for the trip out west. Trying to get ready.
Appreciate any help or suggestions. Stay safe.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
Landing a plane and being married - a few smooth moments mixed with a lot of rough
ones.
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| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Harsh words about Rotax |
Hi all, I don`t want to start a peeing match here, however, I have flown
with two different Rotax engines and had good luck with both of them. I
have a 503 now that hasn`t given be any problems at all. Granted it only
has 60 hours on it but it has never skipped a beat. I put over 100 hours on
a used 377 (total hours around 250) and it never had a problem, except on
one flight when the diaphragm flapper in the fuel pump went bad. I don`t
blame that on the engine! I`m not saying they are bulletproof. Perhaps some
day I will have a different opinion. Would I fly a four stroke if I could?
Sure I would, but as of now I am happy with their two stroke
reliability. Just wondering Herb, have you ever owned a Rotax. If so,
what happened that soured you on them? Lanny Fetterman FSII N598LF
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Any suggestions for sticking altimeter? |
John.
If I had a sticky altimeter needle=2C here's what I'd do. First=2C lay o
ut a clean towel for a spotless work area. Wash your hands real good=2C to
get rid of any skin oils. Round up your itty bitty screwdriver set=2C and
remove the front bezel and glass. Continue removing the (2) screws that h
old the inner parts inside the housing. Remove the inner parts. It comes
out as an assembly.
Put one (1) drop of mineral oil on the needle swinging point. (you might
have better access to this location from the rear of the dial face.) While
you have the gauge apart=2C carefully=2C very lightly blow any dust that ma
y have gotten into the bellows and gear mechanism.
Get some Windex glass cleaner=2C and thoroughly clean the inside and outs
ide of the front glass. Reassemble.
The insides of the altimeter are very sensitive to ham hands. We're talk
ing toothpicks=2C and Qtips=2C and a super light touch. That drop of oil s
hould really help with the needle swinging action. It MAY not hurt to put
a teensy bit of oil on the gears that go between the needle and the bellows
.....you'll see what I mean.
Hope this helps.
BTW=2C thanks again for the gear leg measurements. One of the best mods
I did to my MkIII.
Mike Welch
MkIII
> Subject: Kolb-List: Any suggestions for sticking altimeter?
> From: gearbender(at)bellsouth.net
> Date: Sun=2C 5 Apr 2009 10:16:39 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>
> Hello folks=2C
>
> Was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a sticking altimeter? I k
now the obvious suggestion is buy a new one. Probably will do that. It is s
ticking around 500 ft. That is kinda where I spend a lot of time. Must have
wore the mechanism out there. It will come unstuck with a few taps or with
enough gain in altitude.
>
> We stay in a very humid and wet environment. I think the guts have rusted
or something.
>
> Just wondering if there are I tricks out there for this?
>
> Looking at AS&S for new altimeter. Trying to work on squawk list for MV.
Yesterday=2C flew 2.3 hours with 9 cross wind landings (15 knots) to build
up my wind threshold for the trip out west. Trying to get ready.
>
> Appreciate any help or suggestions. Stay safe.
>
> --------
> Thanks too much=2C
>
> John Bickham
> Mark III-C w/ 912UL
> St. Francisville=2C LA
>
> Landing a plane and being married - a few smooth moments mixed with a lot
of rough ones.
>
>
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237826#237826
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| Subject: | Re: Any suggestions for sticking altimeter? |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Bickham wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> Was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a sticking altimeter? I know
the obvious suggestion is buy a new one. Probably will do that. It is sticking
around 500 ft. That is kinda where I spend a lot of time. Must have wore
the mechanism out there. It will come unstuck with a few taps or with enough
gain in altitude.
>
> We stay in a very humid and wet environment. I think the guts have rusted or
something.
>
> Just wondering if there are I tricks out there for this?
>
> Looking at AS&S for new altimeter. Trying to work on squawk list for MV. Yesterday,
flew 2.3 hours with 9 cross wind landings (15 knots) to build up my wind
threshold for the trip out west. Trying to get ready.
>
> Appreciate any help or suggestions. Stay safe.
Only trick I know of for that climate is to get out of there, at least 1500 north
and west....... I lived in central TX for 30 years and my health and mental
state are significantly improved having left there for northern NM (and no rust/mold
all over the plane) a couple years ago. Took me long enough I suppose.......
As for the alt., yeah once they start to stick or give the wobbly needle syndrome,
you're better off simply replacing it. That does indicate the mechanism is
worn.
Vibration is what does them in, if you can isolate it somehow during mounting they'll
last a fair bit longer....
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Any suggestions for sticking altimeter? |
----- Original Message -----
From: John Bickham
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:16 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Any suggestions for sticking altimeter?
Hello folks,
Was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a sticking altimeter?
I know the obvious suggestion is buy a new one. Probably will do that.
It is sticking around 500 ft. That is kinda where I spend a lot of
time. Must have wore the mechanism out there. It will come unstuck
with a few taps or with enough gain in altitude.
John,
I can assure you that if you come out here you will be operating in
an area of your altimeter that does not have a groove worn in it.
Larry C
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Harsh words about Rotax |
Lanny
Not soured...I flew a 532 on my Kolb MkIII some years ago...no
problems...currently fly a 447 on my Firefly..no problems..:-)
I think that Hirth is getting a bad rap...that is all...Herb
At 12:33 PM 4/5/2009, you wrote:
>
>Hi all, I don`t want to start a peeing match here, however, I have
>flown with two different Rotax engines and had good luck with both
>of them. I have a 503 now that hasn`t given be any problems at all.
>Granted it only has 60 hours on it but it has never skipped a beat.
>I put over 100 hours on a used 377 (total hours around 250) and it
>never had a problem, except on one flight when the diaphragm flapper
>in the fuel pump went bad. I don`t blame that on the engine! I`m not
>saying they are bulletproof. Perhaps some day I will have a
>different opinion. Would I fly a four stroke if I could? Sure I
>would, but as of now I am happy with their two stroke
>reliability. Just wondering Herb, have you ever owned a Rotax. If
>so, what happened that soured you on them? Lanny Fetterman FSII N598LF
>
>
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| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
wrk2win4u(at)msn.com wrote:
> Isoon will be the owner of a KolbMarkll if everything turns out well. Ihave not
owned or flown a Kolb before. I however have been impressed with the Kolb for
many years.
>
You must want a two-seater if you are looking at a Mark II. Be sure to look at
the weight and balance that he has and considering your weight (and gas and other
things you take up that may add weight) and see how much of a passenger you
are going to be able to take up if you plan to do that. Also you may want
to sit in the passenger seat on the Mark II and feel what a tiny seat it is.
If it is like mine, you will not be able to take a large second passenger up in
the Mark II. If you want to take up other good size adults you will want to
be looking at a Mark III instead of the Mark II.
Please DO get training in a Kolb before trying to fly it yourself [Exclamation]
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
JetPilot wrote:
> Where have you been Crystal ? I havent seen a post from you for several weeks.
Have you been flying ? I have not flow my Kolb in well over a month, every
day I am in Miami, its very windy :( Today and tomorrow look perfect, and I
am up north flying airplanes that aren't as much fun as my Kolb...
>
> I ran across this picture of a MK III like yours in flight, the elevator seems
to be very close to she same position as yours, so its probably normal. The
big wedge of the MK III Xtra tends to push the nose down a lot, so the elevator
is a lot more up during flight.
>
> Mike
Thanks Mike. John Hauck said he had one that flew like that.
I just got back from taking the Rotax 2 stroke maintenance class at South Mississippi
Light Aircraft. I learned a lot and really enjoyed it. Ronnie Smith is
a great instructor. He checks to make sure you understand before he moves on.
All the storms made for an "interesting" drive to MS and back. On the way home
I was wondering if I was going to make it home since several roads I tried to
get home on were closed due to rivers flooding over the roads. I finally found
a road that would get me home. The sheriff was parked on that bridge watching
and waiting as the river was creeping up so close to it also. It gave a whole
new meaning to the saying I've heard...Lord willing and the creek don't rise.
When I got to Ronnie Smith's in MS I camped out by Ronnie's hanger and it was a
gorgeous sunset every evening. I've attached a couple pictures here (taken with
my cell).
On the way to MS I stopped by and saw Jim and John Hauck's camping hideaway...it's
in the sticks. That's why you haven't heard from them either. No internet
out there, barely any cell phone coverage. Jim is going to help me with my
muffler. Thanks Jim! :)
Before that I was working like a dog trying to get ahead on my work so I could
take some time off from work for the class and spring break.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | "robcannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net> |
Mike - sorry it took me a while,
Rob
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Anybody ever used a chop saw for cutting- aluminum tubing or- is there
a reason against it ? Thanks Chris=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Chris-- I never used a chop saw for it, but I have used a table saw w
ith a carbide blade.- Very noisy and dangerous- chips flying, and the pie
ce can grab.- I use the miter guide and go through very slowly.- Hang o
n tight.- The chop saw should work, but be very careful- full face shield
, ear plugs, and hang on to the part.- Any chips with the table saw go qu
ite a ways, too.
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum |
Chris=2C
Using a miter saw with a "toothed" blade is more than scary=2C it's the k
ind of thing that makes statistics. There is absolutely no SAFE way to do
it. The problem is the way the saw blade's teeth want to grab the edge of
the tubing once you've managed to break into the inner walls.
You CAN use the chop saw=2C but you have to use the carborundum blade=2C
made especially for cutting metal. These blades are completely circular=2C
and do not "catch" and shred the tube=2C like a toothed blade will.
My preference for cutting aluminum tubing is my Makita hand grinder=2C wi
th the 1/16" thick "cut off disc. This is relatively safe=2C and very fast
=2C when compared to a hack saw or jigsaw.
The cheapo discs last very little. The brand name discs last a long time.
You WILL get what you pay for!!! (Harbor Freight sells 10-packs for a few
bucks. For the same price=2C you can buy 3 decent brand name discs that w
ill outlast the 10-pack.)
Since we are on the subject of cutting metal=2C never=2C never=2C never (
!!!) cut this stuff without ear protection. Take it from a deaf basturd=2C
who's listened to Skil Saws whine for decades=2C these tools will take the
ir toll on your hearing!! My hearing is about 40% of what is was when I wa
s younger.
While we are at it. Eye protection. Same as hearing!!!!! Never cut an
y metal without decent eye protection. Last year=2C I had to go to an eye
doctor=2C and have a metal sliver removed from my eyeball!! After 3+ weeks
of the agony=2C I faced the music and got it removed. I was hoping it wou
ld come out on it's own........nope! (I had to this 35 years ago=2C but it
was a wood splinter back then.)
I thought my glasses were good enough. They weren't.
Here on the Kolb list=2C we want to always use protection!!
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS starter |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I have an 18 Amp Hour battery in my Kolb that has been starting my 912-S for 3
years without a problem. I live in Florida, so I cant tell you weather it would
work in cold weather or not.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "Tom Longo" <tlongo(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum |
Put a plywood (fine tooth) blade in backwards and it works great for that.
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Welch
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:24 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum
Chris,
Using a miter saw with a "toothed" blade is more than scary, it's the
kind of thing that makes statistics. There is absolutely no SAFE way to do
it. The problem is the way the saw blade's teeth want to grab the edge of
the tubing once you've managed to break into the inner walls.
You CAN use the chop saw, but you have to use the carborundum blade,
made especially for cutting metal. These blades are completely circular,
and do not "catch" and shred the tube, like a toothed blade will.
My preference for cutting aluminum tubing is my Makita hand grinder,
with the 1/16" thick "cut off disc. This is relatively safe, and very fast,
when compared to a hack saw or jigsaw.
The cheapo discs last very little. The brand name discs last a long time.
You WILL get what you pay for!!! (Harbor Freight sells 10-packs for a few
bucks. For the same price, you can buy 3 decent brand name discs that will
outlast the 10-pack.)
Since we are on the subject of cutting metal, never, never, never (!!!)
cut this stuff without ear protection. Take it from a deaf basturd, who's
listened to Skil Saws whine for decades, these tools will take their toll on
your hearing!! My hearing is about 40% of what is was when I was younger.
While we are at it. Eye protection. Same as hearing!!!!! Never cut
any metal without decent eye protection. Last year, I had to go to an eye
doctor, and have a metal sliver removed from my eyeball!! After 3+ weeks of
the agony, I faced the music and got it removed. I was hoping it would come
out on it's own........nope! (I had to this 35 years ago, but it was a wood
splinter back then.)
I thought my glasses were good enough. They weren't.
Here on the Kolb list, we want to always use protection!!
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Can they offer me an EIS for my Rotax ???
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have !!!
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 11:11 AM 4/6/2009, chris davis wrote:
>Anybody ever used a chop saw for cutting aluminum tubing or is there a
>reason against it ? Thanks Chris
I did a lot of aluminum (tube and sheet) with my radial arm saw a couple of
years ago. I bought a blade specifically made for light metals and
plastic, which is used with stick wax. Messy and the metal you're cutting
gets REAL hot, but it works. You do need to push the saw into the work
rather than pulling it as you typically do with wood.
-Dana
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A small band saw worked well for me,used a very fine tooth blade.at fast speed.
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From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: saws
At 11:11 AM 4/6/2009, chris davis wrote:
Anybody
ever used a chop saw for cutting? aluminum tubing or? is there
a reason against it ? Thanks Chris
I did a lot of aluminum (tube and sheet) with my radial arm saw a couple
of years ago.? I bought a blade specifically made for light metals
and plastic, which is used with stick wax.? Messy and the metal
you're cutting gets REAL hot, but it works.? You do need to push the
saw into the work rather than pulling it as you typically do with
wood.
-Dana
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
Chris,
Using a powered miterbox saw was all we ever used at Old Kolb for cutting
aluminum tubing of all sizes . and tons of 5/16 x 035 for ribs.
We used a carbide blade with the most teeth per inch available.
I like to wear a leather glove on my left hand which did the tube holding
chore. Never had a problem - not to say you couldn't.
Of course, cut slowly and wear goggles as chips do fly everywhere.
I don't argue with those who think it too dangerous - but it has worked for
us.
Dennis
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:12 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: saws
Anybody ever used a chop saw for cutting aluminum tubing or is there a
reason against it ? Thanks Chris
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| From: | "George Myers" <gmyers(at)grandecom.net> |
| Subject: | Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum |
Actually if you turn the blade around backwards it cuts all manner of metal
like butter. Use any old blade. Max Nix.
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Welch
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Saws, or more specifically, cutting aluminum
Chris,
Using a miter saw with a "toothed" blade is more than scary, it's the kind
of thing that makes statistics. There is absolutely no SAFE way to do it.
The problem is the way the saw blade's teeth want to grab the edge of the
tubing once you've managed to break into the inner walls.
You CAN use the chop saw, but you have to use the carborundum blade, made
especially for cutting metal. These blades are completely circular, and do
not "catch" and shred the tube, like a toothed blade will.
My preference for cutting aluminum tubing is my Makita hand grinder, with
the 1/16" thick "cut off disc. This is relatively safe, and very fast, when
compared to a hack saw or jigsaw.
The cheapo discs last very little. The brand name discs last a long time.
You WILL get what you pay for!!! (Harbor Freight sells 10-packs for a few
bucks. For the same price, you can buy 3 decent brand name discs that will
outlast the 10-pack.)
Since we are on the subject of cutting metal, never, never, never (!!!)
cut this stuff without ear protection. Take it from a deaf basturd, who's
listened to Skil Saws whine for decades, these tools will take their toll on
your hearing!! My hearing is about 40% of what is was when I was younger.
While we are at it. Eye protection. Same as hearing!!!!! Never cut any
metal without decent eye protection. Last year, I had to go to an eye
doctor, and have a metal sliver removed from my eyeball!! After 3+ weeks of
the agony, I faced the music and got it removed. I was hoping it would come
out on it's own........nope! (I had to this 35 years ago, but it was a wood
splinter back then.)
I thought my glasses were good enough. They weren't.
Here on the Kolb list, we want to always use protection!!
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS starter |
I have an 18 Amp Hour battery in my Kolb that has been starting my 912-S for
3 years without a problem. I live in Florida, so I cant tell you weather it
would work in cold weather or not.
Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
I have a 18 amp hour that starts the 912 in 20 deg temps.
Boyd
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| From: | "dshepherd" <cen23954(at)centurytel.net> |
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you guys for your responce to my Saws question ! Iwent to sears today
and looked at the mitersaws and knowing myself I bought a new 10 inch band
saw it was about the same price and I have experence with a band saw and k
now that you can cut yourself with one and back out mayme loosing a finger
but with a chopsaw I can see me "in the condition Im in and as halfassed as
-I am I might just chop off my whole hand . so thats why I bought the ban
d saw . I will let you know how it goes Thank Chris=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Vic" <vicsv(at)myfairpoint.net> |
Chris,
Use a nonferrous blade, cut on the pull stroke, hold it firmly or
clamped and make sure you use
a backing board. A glove would'nt hurt incase you forget one of these
suggestions.
Alway use a firm slow cut.
I cut from 5/16 tube to 3" angle, did the whole plane. You can even use
a bandsaw- with cut oil.
Tiny stuff is most unstable.
Vic
Ex carpenter 30Yrs
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| From: | "Bob" <rcarillon(at)neo.rr.com> |
To anyone considering strobes for their Kolb you may want to look at
Whelens new Vertex Super-LED Light. We had a rep at my work last
week and he showed us these new super LED lights and they were
definitely bright. All self contained and very low current draw as you
would expect from LEDs. You can choose from multiple flash patterns
just by momentarily touching one wire to B+ to cycle through the different
flash patterns. These look like they could be perfect wing tip strobes.You
can
buy a chrome bezel to go around the light which finishes them off nicely.
You
can check them out at whelen.com just to the right of the new product arrow.
Bob
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
At 11:55 AM 4/4/2009, Dave Kulp wrote:
>Dana, does it make a difference (or preferable) whether the gascolator is
>before or after the inline filter?
I'm putting it before the inline filter, so that if it _does_ trap any
sediment, I'll see it. Also I'm adding a coarse (170 micron) screen to the
gascolator outlet to catch any large debris before it gets to the primary
filter.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Dennis,
You are absolutely correct.... if the gear legs are standard Kolb aluminum, but
if they are heat treated 4130 tubing, not necessarily so. I don't recall if the
original post even said which type of gear leg was on the subject Kolb.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
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http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage |
There is only one caveat to add to these basically correct observations.
The standard aluminum gear leg must fully insert into the A-frame tubing.
If a gear leg is too short or not correctly inserted. If, for what ever
reason, the end of the gear leg is not fully inserted, it could bend the
A-frame tube. This has happened with some FireStars where the end of the
alum leg was only about halfway inserted into the frame tube.
I, like, Dennis Kirby, once landed a TwinStar so hard that it bent both gear
legs up to where the wheels hardly touched the ground. It was a beautifully
flying evening and I think I must have been daydreaming about something else
and not paying attention to my flying chores; all of a sudden I saw the
horizon moving very quickly upward. I added full throttle instantly, but
too late and I hit the ground very hard - but not hard enough to stick. I
bounced back into the air and was flying again with both gear bent way up.
I did a "belly" landing and all was well except the gear legs and my pride.
I didn't add the worst part yet: I was taking a bunch of kids for rides that
evening and this was the last. I had a 6 year old girl with me. The father
- a jet fighter pilot was watching the whole thing. He was very gracious and
praised my "wheels up" landing. But I was absolutely blown away by my
inattention and carelessness, esp given the payload I had aboard.
Too old too soon -too smart to late Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage
Dennis,
You are absolutely correct.... if the gear legs are standard Kolb aluminum,
but if they are heat treated 4130 tubing, not necessarily so. I don't recall
if the original post even said which type of gear leg was on the subject
Kolb.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/sportpilot-cfi
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
simple system that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage |
> I, like, Dennis Kirby, once landed a TwinStar so hard that it bent both
gear
> legs up to where the wheels hardly touched the ground.
>
> Too old too soon -too smart to late Dennis
First time I heard about that one, Dennis. ;-)
Reminded me of a bad landing on Grand Island, NY, 1988, in my Fire Star.
Back then they were Fire Stars, not original Fire Stars. Plans called for
gear legs to be inserted half way into the sockets, secured by a 1/4" bolt.
After flying over Niagra Falls for the first time, had already flown across
Grand Island and was half way across the Niagra River north of Buffalo, NY,
when a fine wire NGK plug electrode seperated, all but shutting down the 447
completely. Wind favored returning to Grand Island, and away I went, mostly
down. Was setting up to land on the Interstate Highway right of way, but
changed my mind, too late, and tried to put it across the fence off the
right of way. Got behind on my flying chores, stalled it high, got a
serious case of "Kolb Quit", bent both gear legs (had 1" X .090" heat
treated 4130 legs), the left left shearing the gear leg socket. Had I
remained totally focused on the first place I picked out, the forced landing
would have been successful, I could have changed spark plugs, and been on my
way. Wish I had. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Sun and Fun 2009 |
Morning Gang:
Sun and Fun 2009 is two weeks away. Had about decided not to fly down, but
got up this morning and decided I would like to fly down and sleep under the
stars a few nights. Mainly, I'm looking forward to spending time with
Travis and Dennis, and all my old friends from previous flyins. Hope the
weather will be great for the entire week.
I have not flown much since last September. Doesn't take long for me to get
rusty. It is about a 5 hour flight one way. This will help me confirm what
I need to do to get ready for my flight to Monument Valley in May. The more
one does it, the better they get at it. One wants to travel as light as
possible, but have everything one needs to make the flight comfortable.
See you all at Lakeland.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bent Gear Legs and Hidden Damage |
In a message dated 4/7/2009 9:30:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
flykolb(at)pa.net writes:
Too old too soon -too smart to late Dennis
Hi Dennis,
I was born and raised close to the Pennsylvania Dutch Land area
(Cochranville, PA), but now live in South Jersey. I always heard it said as:
To soon
oldt, to late schmart. Either way it is so true!
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| From: | "mccarthy" <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com> |
| Subject: | MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
I'm a long time reader of the list, and would love to fly out to MV to meet
the group, and see the area, but have way too many hurdles to jump to be
possible. I live 70 miles south of Oshkosh, WI, have no "real" cross
country time, no mountain experience, and a very unpredictable work
schedule. I have a original Firestar, but just for flying around the area,
and have a Zenith 601HD 912ul for getting around. The Zenith cruises just
fine between 80-100MPH, with a 3 hour duration, but can't land where a Kolb
can.
First off, for flight planning, should I would fly to Albuquerque and then
up to MV to avoid the higher elevations? Secondly, is anyone from the upper
Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and
strength in numbers.
In summary, this will probably just have to stay on my wish list, but I am
one of those who enjoys the planning as much as the trip.
Tom McCarthy
Firestar N441TM
Zenith 601HD N514TM
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
> I'm a long time reader of the list, and would love to fly out to MV to
> meet
> the group, and see the area, but have way too many hurdles to jump to be
> possible. I live 70 miles south of Oshkosh, WI, have no "real" cross
> country time, no mountain experience, and a very unpredictable work
> schedule. I have a original Firestar, but just for flying around the
> area,
> and have a Zenith 601HD 912ul for getting around. The Zenith cruises just
> fine between 80-100MPH, with a 3 hour duration, but can't land where a
> Kolb
> can.
> First off, for flight planning, should I would fly to Albuquerque and then
> up to MV to avoid the higher elevations? Secondly, is anyone from the
> upper
> Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and
> strength in numbers.
> In summary, this will probably just have to stay on my wish list, but I am
> one of those who enjoys the planning as much as the trip.
>
> Tom McCarthy
> Firestar N441TM
> Zenith 601HD N514TM
Tom Mc:
It's about 1200 statute miles from your home to MV, straight line distance.
With good wind and weather, you could make that in two days, 2.5 at the
most.
Looking at the map, I'd fly direct to Denver area. From there either follow
the I-70W over the pass, about 10,000 feet, then south to Moab, UT, and MV.
Or, fly direct to Pueblo, CO, then south to pick up highway 160W to the Four
Corners area, then direct to MV.
Long cross country flights are a lot of short legs combined, one leg at a
time. If you can fly a good 1.5 hour leg, you can fly anywhere you want to
go.
For those that thrive on long cross country flights in very small aircraft,
especially Kolbs, this type flying is addictive. I was lucky to find a
friend that had that same desire, same flying style, and a lot of free time
to accomplish the flights.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
mccarthy(at)jefnet.com wrote:
> I'm a long time reader of the list, and would love to fly out to MV to meet
> the group, and see the area, but have way too many hurdles to jump to be
> possible. I live 70 miles south of Oshkosh, WI, have no "real" cross
> country time, no mountain experience, and a very unpredictable work
> schedule. I have a original Firestar, but just for flying around the area,
> and have a Zenith 601HD 912ul for getting around. The Zenith cruises just
> fine between 80-100MPH, with a 3 hour duration, but can't land where a Kolb
> can.
> First off, for flight planning, should I would fly to Albuquerque and then
> up to MV to avoid the higher elevations? Secondly, is anyone from the upper
> Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and
> strength in numbers.
> In summary, this will probably just have to stay on my wish list, but I am
> one of those who enjoys the planning as much as the trip.
>
> Tom McCarthy
> Firestar N441TM
> Zenith 601HD N514TM
Just FYI, I may not be able to make it. The new prop isn't working out as I've
expected so I may be down experimenting rather than flying for fun....
There may still be some others from my area going tho....
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
> Just FYI, I may not be able to make it. The new prop isn't working out as
I've expected so I may be down experimenting rather than flying for fun....
> There may still be some others from my area going tho....
> --------
> LS
> Titan II SS
225 sm! You can fly that in on leg.
If you miss it, you will be sacrificing some good quality time with other
like minded Kolb folks you won't find any place else.
Don't miss the opportunity of a great get together so close to home.
There will be some of the original Monument Valley gang that have been to
every Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin, MV, UT, since the first one in 2003.
Again this year, we will miss several of our original gang that have gone on
the that big Kolb Flyin in the sky.
Looking forward to seeing Tom and Betty Kuffel again. They flew in for the
2003 flyin, were planning on returning in 2004, and also flying with me to
Alaska that same year. A little incident broke their Prospector
experimental, grounding them for a while. I think they will have their new
experimental flying soon.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> 225 sm! You can fly that in on leg.
>
> If you miss it, you will be sacrificing some good quality time with other
> like minded Kolb folks you won't find any place else.
>
> Don't miss the opportunity of a great get together so close to home.
>
> There will be some of the original Monument Valley gang that have been to
> every Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin, MV, UT, since the first one in 2003.
> Again this year, we will miss several of our original gang that have gone on
> the that big Kolb Flyin in the sky.
>
> Looking forward to seeing Tom and Betty Kuffel again. They flew in for the
> 2003 flyin, were planning on returning in 2004, and also flying with me to
> Alaska that same year. A little incident broke their Prospector
> experimental, grounding them for a while. I think they will have their new
> experimental flying soon.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Well I'm hoping I'll get my problem resolved by then. As-is, I'm not yet convinced
I have a safe situation for a long flight so I need to get it fixed first.
Just FYI, I have a prop harmonic that I'm still researching, a hard buzz in the
seat and a rotating low frequency hum. Last night I finally figured out it wasn't
acceptable - I hadn't flown for an extended period of time until last night
so didn't think it was a problem until I spent some time in the plane with
it. I was ready to land after a little more than half an hour.
I'm as close to convinced as I can be that it's NOT the fault of the prop or the
plane, but simply the two together. But a hard vibration isn't something I want
to let go unaddressed......
Next thing I'm going to do is take it off and check the balance just to be sure,
but an unbalanced WD right out of the factory is just not something I think
the guys at WD would allow to happen.
So I'll be a test pilot for a little while longer looks like......
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
>
> So I'll be a test pilot for a little while longer looks like......
>
> LS
Make sure all three blades have as near pitch as possible. Usually, this
will be the primary reason for a vibration or harmonic in the airframe.
I believe the prop has a life time customer satisfaction guarantee. Work
with Daryl at WD.
I'm waiting on new blades for my prop. Hope they get here before time to
fly to Lakeland.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Make sure all three blades have as near pitch as possible. Usually, this
> will be the primary reason for a vibration or harmonic in the airframe.
>
> I believe the prop has a life time customer satisfaction guarantee. Work
> with Daryl at WD.
>
> I'm waiting on new blades for my prop. Hope they get here before time to
> fly to Lakeland.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Yeah, I have the blades as pefectly pitched as I can get them with the protractor.
The tracking is less than 1/4" on all blades too....
I may have a go with the 4" extension which is what the IVO had on it. It's probably
unlikely an inch would make a difference but it might. I'm calling daryl
here in a bit to talk it over with him.
There're a couple other things to try too. So the experimenting shall continue
;).
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
> I may have a go with the 4" extension which is what the IVO had on it.
It's probably unlikely an inch would make a difference but it might. I'm
calling daryl here in a bit to talk it over with him.
>
> LS
I have had good luck with a 4" extension on the mkIII.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "kirkds" <kirkds(at)dishmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
Secondly, is anyone from the upper
> Midwest considering this trip? I believe there is courage, knowledge, and
> strength in numbers.
I considered it but too far for me.
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| Subject: | Re: MV-09 Dreaming-Flight planning- maybe just dreaming |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
>
> I have had good luck with a 4" extension on the mkIII.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Dale said the extra inch is almost guaranteed not to make a difference. Going down
in diameter is the next idea..... ugh.....
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
| From: | "cspoke" <cspoke(at)gulftel.com> |
I too am looking forward to spending time with all the Kolb gang at Sun n Fun.
I'll be there Friday and Saturday. Hope to see some of you then
--------
Craig Spoke
Mk 111 Xtra VW (in the works)
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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| From: | Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Back to gascolators |
Folks,
I bought a nice used gascolator a few months back and it has what
appears to be a vacuum fitting on the top. Before I install it I need
to know the options/requirements re: the vacuum line? I.e., can it be
plugged or is it's use necessary for the gascolator to function properly?
Thanks
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
Firefly 098
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Back to gascolators |
At 06:45 PM 4/7/2009, Dave Kulp wrote:
>I bought a nice used gascolator a few months back and it has what appears
>to be a vacuum fitting on the top. Before I install it I need to know the
>options/requirements re: the vacuum line? I.e., can it be plugged or is
>it's use necessary for the gascolator to function properly?
Vacuum doesn't seem likely... are you sure it's not a primer connection?
-Dana
--
Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check?
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
I'm watching the weather... :D
Kip
--------
Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | A Truly Classic Statement by Dennis Souder |
The following is a truly classic statement extracted from a post made by
our Dennis Souder, former Kolb Aircraft company owner. I' too have been
there, done that, but the best is the last few words below highlighted in blue.
jerb
"I must have been daydreaming about something else
and not paying attention to my flying chores; all of a sudden I saw the
horizon moving very quickly upward. I added full throttle instantly, but
too late and I hit the ground very hard - but not hard enough to stick."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | A Truly Classic Statement by Dennis Souder |
The following is a truly classic statement extracted from a post made by
our Dennis Souder, former Kolb Aircraft company owner. I' too have been
there, done that, but the best is the last few words below highlighted in blue.
jerb
"I must have been daydreaming about something else
and not paying attention to my flying chores; all of a sudden I saw the
horizon moving very quickly upward. I added full throttle instantly, but
too late and I hit the ground very hard - but not hard enough to stick."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS starter |
> Thanks for the info on the size battery you're using. I was hoping
someone had actually tested the amp draw of the starter while cranking. Not
something one would normally check but I've never been called 'normal'!
[Laughing]
>
> --------
> Scott
Scott:
This is the battery I use in my mkIII and 912ULS:
http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc545.htm
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
I still have the problem of harmonics with my blades on my slingshot. I
have narrowed it back down to the blades. even though they have been sent
back twice and super balanced by myself and lazer set, it is still there,
buzz buzz buzz. drives you nuts. put a good anr set in my helmet and that
makes it tolerable. friend has a new set of wd blades down in florida.
gotta get down there and put them on my plane. if it makes it go away I am
going after wd for new blades big time. this noise is awsome and sounds
like I am flying a five o'clock charlie in korea. good luck. on two of my
blades you can see the cloth and one has a smaller tip. told wd this and
they didnt do anything but grind them down further. gotta prove it first.
will think twice about my next set of blades. ted cowan, alabama, slingshot
912. p.s. if it werent for this harmonic problem I think I have the perfect
flying machine, zoom zoom. at least for me.
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| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: blade harmonics |
Hey Ted, I just started flying my MK-3C with a 912 with the Titan exhaust,(&
WD Prop) & have a similar harmonics. Now don`t get me wrong, mine isn`t as
pronounced as yours, & I`ve only flown it 2.2 hours with the 912, but here`s
something I`m gonna try, unless you already have & proven it doesn`t work.
When I look at the exhaust/prop view from the side, my exhaust is hitting
the blades a few inches up the blade in the flatter area of the prop. My
exhaust goes straight up now, but if I rotate it 90 degrees either way, it
looks like it will hit the prop more in the "hub -to -blade transition area,
in the round part of the blade just as it exits the hub. It will be another
week or 2 before I get to try this, So if you already have, or do soon, let
me know what happened. Also, mine isn`t so bad that a tweak of the throttle
lessens it & If it doesnt` go away, I`ll probably live with it.
None on my friends have mentioned it, & I have`nt either, on purpose, to see
if anyone else notices.
Thanks,
Jim Kmet
Cookeville, TN
MK-3C 912
MK-3C 582
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:53 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: blade harmonics
>
> I still have the problem of harmonics with my blades on my slingshot. I
> have narrowed it back down to the blades. even though they have been sent
> back twice and super balanced by myself and lazer set, it is still there,
> buzz buzz buzz. drives you nuts. put a good anr set in my helmet and
> that makes it tolerable. friend has a new set of wd blades down in
> florida. gotta get down there and put them on my plane. if it makes it go
> away I am going after wd for new blades big time. this noise is awsome
> and sounds like I am flying a five o'clock charlie in korea. good luck.
> on two of my blades you can see the cloth and one has a smaller tip. told
> wd this and they didnt do anything but grind them down further. gotta
> prove it first. will think twice about my next set of blades. ted cowan,
> alabama, slingshot 912. p.s. if it werent for this harmonic problem I
> think I have the perfect flying machine, zoom zoom. at least for me.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS starter |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I believe the typical draw while cranking the 912ul is about 75 amps. I'm going
to check mine today and will report back. 912ULS may be different.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
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http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
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| From: | Blumax008(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Harsh words about Rotax |
In a message dated 4/5/2009 1:35:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
donaho1(at)verizon.net writes:
I
have a 503 now that hasn`t given be any problems at all. Granted it only
has 60 hours on it but it has never skipped a beat. I put over 100 hours
on
a used 377 (total hours around 250) and it never had a problem
My friend, if you own a Rotax 503 you are one very intelligent & lucky
fellow! That motor will give you years & years of worry-free, enjoyable
flying. Run that sucker wide open! It doesn't care a hoot! We tow hang gliders
here in NW Florida using the 503. Mine has over 1,600 hours on it now with
C-box, Pennzoil & Amoco Super Premium & still going strong. Will be 12 years
old in September of this year. All with 3 tops. No major overhauls.
I'll leave you with my maxim for 503 owners...
IF IT AIN'T BROKE...DON'T FIX IT.
I've since added a new one...
GET OFF THE INTERNET & GO FLY! (which reminds me, I gotta' go fly!)
Bill Catalina
Ochlockonee Bay, Florida (on the coast south of Tallahassee)
**************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a
recession.
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: blade harmonics |
>
Ted,
Have you considered trying a lower inertia propeller?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: blade harmonics |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Ted, Have you considered getting a prop spacer and gaining a little space
between the exhaust pipe opening and the prop blades?
Rick
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Ted Cowan wrote:
>
> I still have the problem of harmonics with my blades on my slingshot. I
> have narrowed it back down to the blades. even though they have been sent
> back twice and super balanced by myself and lazer set, it is still there,
> buzz buzz buzz. drives you nuts. put a good anr set in my helmet and that
> makes it tolerable. friend has a new set of wd blades down in florida.
> gotta get down there and put them on my plane. if it makes it go away I am
> going after wd for new blades big time. this noise is awsome and sounds
> like I am flying a five o'clock charlie in korea. good luck. on two of my
> blades you can see the cloth and one has a smaller tip. told wd this and
> they didnt do anything but grind them down further. gotta prove it first.
> will think twice about my next set of blades. ted cowan, alabama, slingshot
> 912. p.s. if it werent for this harmonic problem I think I have the perfect
> flying machine, zoom zoom. at least for me.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: blade harmonics |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
tc1917(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> I still have the problem of harmonics with my blades on my slingshot. I
> have narrowed it back down to the blades. even though they have been sent
> back twice and super balanced by myself and lazer set, it is still there,
> buzz buzz buzz. drives you nuts. put a good anr set in my helmet and that
> makes it tolerable. friend has a new set of wd blades down in florida.
> gotta get down there and put them on my plane. if it makes it go away I am
> going after wd for new blades big time. this noise is awsome and sounds
> like I am flying a five o'clock charlie in korea. good luck. on two of my
> blades you can see the cloth and one has a smaller tip. told wd this and
> they didnt do anything but grind them down further. gotta prove it first.
> will think twice about my next set of blades. ted cowan, alabama, slingshot
> 912. p.s. if it werent for this harmonic problem I think I have the perfect
> flying machine, zoom zoom. at least for me.
Well I think I've found a possible culprit on my setup. There's a resonance between
the engine/mount and the frequency at which the blades vibrate fore and aft.
I discovered this yesterday by accident when I happened to tap one of the
blades, the entire top of the plane went "thoom" like a drum in concert with the
blade. And it sounds like that frequency is the frequency I'm hearing in the
cab....
Also yesterday I went over the whole butt end of the plane to make sure nothing
was loose or any problems with the mounts. No problemo.
In my case it's clearly not a problem with the prop itself - it's just an interaction
between it and this particular plane.
The only option with the WD looks like changing the diameter and I've BTDT on a
couple other planes (that means a few different sets of blades that all still
do the same thing). Going down in diameter is not acceptable as I need the climb
performance. And I can only go up another inch before I run out of safe clearance,
doubtful an inch is going to do it.
So it's time to get a little busier on this - next idea is a different prop type.
That's the only way I can see right now to change the blade resonance enough,
get the whole fundamental changed back there.
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Harsh words about Rotax |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
FWIW,
Regarding the 503, I'm still building up trust in my 912 in hopes it measures up
to my 503's in terms of reliability ;).
But seriously, I've had more trouble with 4-strokes (not the 912) over the years
than I've had with any of my 503's. They usually rot away long before they wear
out or do something catastrophic.
Even at 4 large, the 503 is still the best deal in an aviation engine available
today.
The only 2-stroke rotax I"m not too fond of is the 582. It's a little less durable
than the aircooled motors.
And so far my 912 has been a good engine, but due to the far higher parts costs,
I'm significantly more paranoid about something breaking in it.
I hope it holds together as well as my 2 447's and can't remember how many 503's.....
(It is nice that the crank seals aren't leaking after a couple hundred
hours tho).....
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi,
hope this works!.
This should be 3 pics of me flying at the Victoria Falls in a
weightshift while in Zambia a couple of weeks ago. Quite exciting flying
around and through the spray which was so atomised that the cloud just
kept going up until it reached cloudbase.
Flew up the Zambesi at under 500 ft looking for hippos, crocs. etc with
no luck, but did find a herd of giraffes.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Harsh words about Rotax |
> Regarding the 503, I'm still building up trust in my 912 in hopes it
measures up to my 503's in terms of reliability ;).
>
> LS
If you fly it enough, I bet you'll gain a little confidence in the 912.
I've been extremely lucky to have had the opportunity to enjoy many hours,
over the last 25 years, in Kolb airplanes. During that time, the first
eight years flying my own two strokes, and 15 years flying my own 912
engines. In between crashes and rebuilds, I put significant time on Kolb
Factory two and four strokes, of which, I never had either type engine in a
factory airplane quit.
With 2,660.00 hours of flying my own 912 series engines, I never had a
problem with the engine, although I have had a couple problems with the
pilot getting lazy and not checking fuel after topping off from unreliable
sources, 1994 and 1998.
Based on the places my 912 engines have pushed me, I'd say I have quite a
bit of confidence in their reliability, and have also helped prove that
reliability.
As far as high price of parts for 912 engines, aren't all engine parts
expensive now? Also, I haven't had to buy parts for my 912 engines. The
basic engine is close to bullet proof and do not wear out major parts.
Accessories, yes, they must be replaced, like spark plugs, oil filters, oil,
carb parts (probably weakest link of the 912), spark plug connectors, etc.
However, it takes a lot of flying to go through these parts like some of us
have done over the years.
I think getting out there and grinding out hour after hour in a short period
of time, 232 hours in 41 total days for example, and many other high flying
hour, short number of day trips, is an excellent example of the 912 engine's
reliability.
Don't think I'd bite off extremely long cross country flights, flying over
the inhospitible terrain, with a two stroke of any make. In fact, there is
no way I would have made the 2004 flight to and in Alaska with one. Not
that I do not like them, but I know the difference between two and four.
As far as 4 strokes rotting away from non-use, I don't think so. I have
antique tractors that are much older than me, that have sat and waited most
of their life, still running like the day they were built. ;-) I might
add, my 912ULS has not seen much use since last summer, but it will get out
there and run like it should today, if the rats haven't eaten it since I
last checked.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Victoria Falls |
Patrick:
Do you fly the trike from the back seat?
Notice a nice reliable 912 powering the trike.
Nice photos of the Falls.
I envy your travels. I have never been to Africa, but would love to do
some serious flying there, if I could afford the bill.
john h
mkIII
This should be 3 pics of me flying at the Victoria Falls in a
weightshift while in Zambia a couple of weeks ago. Quite exciting flying
around and through the spray which was so atomised that the cloud just
kept going up until it reached cloudbase.
Flew up the Zambesi at under 500 ft looking for hippos, crocs. etc
with no luck, but did find a herd of giraffes.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: blade harmonics |
At 11:22 AM 4/8/2009, lucien wrote:
>Well I think I've found a possible culprit on my setup. There's a
>resonance between the engine/mount and the frequency at which the blades
>vibrate fore and aft....it's clearly not a problem with the prop itself -
>it's just an interaction between it and this particular plane.
If that's the case, going to a slightly stiffer or softer engine mount
rubber isolator might help, change the resonant frequency.
If it's a pulsating mmmmMMMmmmmMMMmmmmMMMmmmm, though, an exhaust/prop
interaction seems the more likely culprit. Comparing the frequency of the
cycle with the engine and prop rpm's may help to narrow it down.
-Dana
--
Welcome to the Federal Bureau for Reducing Bureaucracy!
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| Subject: | Re: Harsh words about Rotax |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> As far as high price of parts for 912 engines, aren't all engine parts
> expensive now? Also, I haven't had to buy parts for my 912 engines. The
> basic engine is close to bullet proof and do not wear out major parts.
> Accessories, yes, they must be replaced, like spark plugs, oil filters, oil,
> carb parts (probably weakest link of the 912), spark plug connectors, etc.
> However, it takes a lot of flying to go through these parts like some of us
> have done over the years.
> john h
>
> mkIII
Actually, the value of the 912 overall is fixing to go up as the official TBO is
being raised to 2000 hours, that according to Ronnie Smith IIRC.
And actually, for 100hp, with a 2000 hour TBO the 912ULS is probably going to be
the highest bang/buck available in that power range if it isn't already.
And that TBO is pessimistic from what I've heard of the engines in the field, particularly
at flight schools, where they go for as long as 3000 hours.
I try to run mine up to operating temperature at least once every 2 weeks (and
usually every week) to keep any possibility of corrosion away. Even if it's a
trip around the pattern in the holes between the 40knot winds.....
So far so good on mine at a little over 300 hours.....
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: blade harmonics |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Dana wrote:
>
> If that's the case, going to a slightly stiffer or softer engine mount
> rubber isolator might help, change the resonant frequency.
>
> If it's a pulsating mmmmMMMmmmmMMMmmmmMMMmmmm, though, an exhaust/prop
> interaction seems the more likely culprit. Comparing the frequency of the
> cycle with the engine and prop rpm's may help to narrow it down.
>
> -Dana
>
> --
> Welcome to the Federal Bureau for Reducing Bureaucracy!
Yeah it's a pulsating thing like you describe, it could very well be aggravated
by exhaust pulses. I do have a 3" extension installed tho and the blades are
a good ways away from the exhaust outlet.
The lower frequency doesn't seem to correspond to anything that I can tell, though
a wild guess is it coincides with the alignment of the crank and prop as it
rotates around the 2.43 gear ratio. this _does_ change in frequency with rpm
so that could be it.
The higher frequency hum seems to be a constant frequency and, I think I repeat
think..., it's the same frequency as the "thoom" I get when tapping the blade
on the ground. That's probably the resonance of the blades/engine/mount etc.
Next I go back up (if we ever get flyable weather again) I'm going to listen to
it some more.
No idea if different compliance mounts are available on my mount.... I'll try to
research that and see.....
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "Dennis Watson" <djwatson(at)olg.com> |
| Subject: | Re: blade harmonics |
LS,
Ran into something like this years ago when I still had a Kolb, try to
direct your exhaust up down or to the side if you haven't already done so,
also, unbolt the prop hub and rotating it by one bolt hole and see if it
makes a difference
V/R,
Dennis from MD.
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 1:27 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: blade harmonics
>
>
> Dana wrote:
>>
>> If that's the case, going to a slightly stiffer or softer engine mount
>> rubber isolator might help, change the resonant frequency.
>>
>> If it's a pulsating mmmmMMMmmmmMMMmmmmMMMmmmm, though, an exhaust/prop
>> interaction seems the more likely culprit. Comparing the frequency of
>> the
>> cycle with the engine and prop rpm's may help to narrow it down.
>>
>> -Dana
>>
>> --
>> Welcome to the Federal Bureau for Reducing Bureaucracy!
>
>
> Yeah it's a pulsating thing like you describe, it could very well be
> aggravated by exhaust pulses. I do have a 3" extension installed tho and
> the blades are a good ways away from the exhaust outlet.
>
> The lower frequency doesn't seem to correspond to anything that I can
> tell, though a wild guess is it coincides with the alignment of the crank
> and prop as it rotates around the 2.43 gear ratio. this _does_ change in
> frequency with rpm so that could be it.
>
> The higher frequency hum seems to be a constant frequency and, I think I
> repeat think..., it's the same frequency as the "thoom" I get when tapping
> the blade on the ground. That's probably the resonance of the
> blades/engine/mount etc.
>
> Next I go back up (if we ever get flyable weather again) I'm going to
> listen to it some more.
>
> No idea if different compliance mounts are available on my mount.... I'll
> try to research that and see.....
>
> LS
>
> --------
> LS
> Titan II SS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238347#238347
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: blade harmonics |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
djwatson(at)olg.com wrote:
> LS,
>
> Ran into something like this years ago when I still had a Kolb, try to
> direct your exhaust up down or to the side if you haven't already done so,
> also, unbolt the prop hub and rotating it by one bolt hole and see if it
> makes a difference
>
> V/R,
> Dennis from MD.
>
>
> ---
Oh yeah, this may be possible with the exhaust now that I thinka bout it.
Ironically, my FS II had this exact same prop (WD 68" taper).... completely different
airframe and motor but it was totally silky smooth with no vibration whatsoever.....
just that healthy 503 howl.... ;)
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Victoria Falls |
I am thinking that he should adopt me and take me along on some of these
trips.
Larry C
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Victoria Falls
Patrick:
Do you fly the trike from the back seat?
Notice a nice reliable 912 powering the trike.
Nice photos of the Falls.
I envy your travels. I have never been to Africa, but would love to
do some serious flying there, if I could afford the bill.
john h
mkIII
This should be 3 pics of me flying at the Victoria Falls in a
weightshift while in Zambia a couple of weeks ago. Quite exciting flying
around and through the spray which was so atomised that the cloud just
kept going up until it reached cloudbase.
Flew up the Zambesi at under 500 ft looking for hippos, crocs. etc
with no luck, but did find a herd of giraffes.
Cheers
Pat
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04/08/09 05:53:00
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: blade harmonics |
> Oh yeah, this may be possible with the exhaust now that I thinka bout it.
>
> Ironically, my FS II had this exact same prop (WD 68" taper)....
> completely different airframe and motor but it was totally silky smooth
> with no vibration whatsoever..... just that healthy 503 howl.... ;)
>
> LS
Never heard of a Titan Exhaust/912 prop noise/vibration/harmonic problem. I
experimented with the outlets on my Titan left, right, and straight up. No
problems.
I know of three Kolbs that flew with Rick Thomasson's exhaust designed for
the Pulsar. All three suffered from a terrible rattling/noisy exhaust beat
caused by the retreating blade hitting the downward aimed exhaust pipe on
the right exhaust system. I knew I was going to have that problem so I cut
the outlets perpendicular to the ground and eliminated the noise. There was
no vibration or harmonic associated with this system.
I know of three airplanes that have had this similar problem: a Titan with
912, a SS with 912, and a SS with 582. The SS with 582, with 3 blade warp
drive, was caused by loose fabric on the inboard rear corner of the right
wing. I don't know what Ted Cowan's problem is, probably disturbed air flow
and the way it is hitting the prop blade, or blades. Items mounted in front
of the prop all contribute to the way air flows to and through it. Ever
play with an electric fan? Set one up, turn it on high, then start messing
with the air flow to the blades. You'll get all kinds of very unusal
complaints coming from those blades. Why wouldn't a pusher respond
similarly?
john h
mkIII
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: blade harmonics |
FWIW, I get a similar pulsing hum at cruise rpm on my UltraStar.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: 912 ULS starter |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I don't know where I got the "typical draw while cranking the 912ul is about 75
amps." from but it was way off for our 912UL per testing this morning.
Using clamp on ammeter I got ~13 amps current during cranking our 912UL at about
45-50F OAT.
I hope this figure helps with at least a ballpark guestimate.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/sportpilot-cfi
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Anyone have an idea wich would be the more satisfying , Great plains ,
Revmaster, or some other?
Frank Goodnight
Firestar 2
On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> I don't know where I got the "typical draw while cranking the 912ul
> is about 75 amps." from but it was way off for our 912UL per testing
> this morning.
>
> Using clamp on ammeter I got ~13 amps current during cranking our
> 912UL at about 45-50F OAT.
>
> I hope this figure helps with at least a ballpark guestimate.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> http://riddletr.googlepages.com/sportpilot-cfi
> http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from
> a simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238378#238378
>
>
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| Subject: | now an actual Kolb question |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
What is the status of the new mark III? I.e. here it is with I believe John H.
flying it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6LjOighew8
Just curious if testing is complete and TNK is selling it or did they abandon it
or ?
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Back to gascolators |
** >to be a vacuum fitting on the top. Before I install it I need to know the
>options/requirements re: the vacuum line? I.e., can it be plugged or is
>it's use necessary for the gascolator to function properly?
Vacuum doesn't seem likely... are you sure it's not a primer connection?
-Dana
I guarantee you I'm not sure of anything. Following is a web address and the second
entry down has
a picture of the same setup. Maybe that would give you a hint. I asked the mechanic
at Queen City,
where I've been flying out of and he didn't know. He's worked on military jets
for years and
now is the first he's worked GA, so the setup may be peculiar to home builts...
**
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=5513
Dave
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Victoria Falls |
Pat -
The shot of you over the Falls is incredible. You ought to make a banner and put
it up over your house! :>)
Arty
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
--- On Wed, 4/8/09, pj.ladd wrote:
> From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Victoria Falls
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 9:15 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
> hope this
> works!.
>
> This should be 3 pics of
> me flying at the Victoria
> Falls in a weightshift while in Zambia a couple of weeks
> ago. Quite exciting
> flying around and through the spray which was so atomised
> that the cloud just
> kept going up until it reached cloudbase.
> Flew up the Zambesi at
> under 500 ft looking for
> hippos, crocs. etc with no luck, but did find a herd of
> giraffes.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: now an actual Kolb question |
> What is the status of the new mark III? I.e. here it is with I believe
John H. flying it:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6LjOighew8
>
> Just curious if testing is complete and TNK is selling it or did they
> abandon it or ?
>
> LS
That clip was shot during the Dealers Showcase at Sun and Fun 2008. My
buddy Dick Rahill missed the pilots briefing and they would not let him fly.
Normally, we would fly the FSII and MKIII at the same time during the
demonstration. For many years, it was me, Dick, and Dennis Souder, doing
the Showcase.
It was extremely windy, gusty, and turbulent, during this flight. Those of
you who have flown Lakeland during S&F will know what I mean. However, it
is not readily noticeable in the clip.
I spent three weeks in London testing the MKIIIx March 2008. Testing was
completed and the 40 hours flown off. Weather was cold and wet, along with
wind, during that period.
I think the MKIIIx is still for sale. It has been featured on Ebay, but did
not make the minimum.
It is a good flying airplane, has full flaps, ailerons operated by Morris
Cables, nice comfy fiberglass seats molded into one piece.
I'm not ready to trade my mkIII for one, but the X is a good airplane.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: now an actual Kolb question |
Its a deal !!! Could be yours for a very good price...Call
Travis..!! :-) Herb
At 05:26 PM 4/8/2009, you wrote:
>
>What is the status of the new mark III? I.e. here it is with I
>believe John H. flying it:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6LjOighew8
>
>Just curious if testing is complete and TNK is selling it or did
>they abandon it or ?
>
>LS
>
>--------
>LS
>Titan II SS
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238384#238384
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: now an actual Kolb question |
> Its a deal !!! Could be yours for a very good price...Call
> Travis..!! :-) Herb
It sure is.
Forgot to mention it is powered with a new 912ULS with Titan SS exhaust
system, Warp Drive 3 blade fast taper prop and no wierd vibrations or
harmonics.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Back to gascolators |
Dave=2C
That port you refer to a 1/8" NPT hole=2C isn't it? If it is=2C it is th
e primer port. If you do not need a primer=2C you don't need the port. Pl
ug it.
Gascolaters have such a wide range of engines they're expected to work wi
th. It's easier to machine the hole=2C and thread it=2C than try to create
two types of gascolators=2C those with the hole=2C and those without.
If you go to www.aircraftspruce.com=2C and read the descriptions of the g
ascolators they offer=2C you'll see the primer port mentioned.
Mike Welch
MkIII
Date: Wed=2C 8 Apr 2009 18:58:28 -0400
From: undoctor(at)ptd.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Back to gascolators
>to be a vacuum fitting on the top. Before I install it I need to know th
e
>options/requirements re: the vacuum line? I.e.=2C can it be plugged
or is
>it's use necessary for the gascolator to function properly?
Vacuum doesn't seem likely... are you sure it's not a primer connecti
on?
-Dana
I guarantee you I'm not sure of anything. Following is a web address and t
he second entry down has
a picture of the same setup. Maybe that would give you a hint. I asked th
e mechanic at Queen City=2C
where I've been flying out of and he didn't know. He's worked on military
jets for years and
now is the first he's worked GA=2C so the setup may be peculiar to home bui
lts...
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=5513
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Back to gascolators |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Mine also has the thrid port on top, its the primer port.. Plug it !!!
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238419#238419
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Back to gascolators |
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:58:28 -0400
From: Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net>
Dave,
It is a primer tap. See:
http://www.andair.co.uk/pdfs/GAS01.pdf
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Mixture control... |
Jack
See your post and am reminded...how is the mixture control
coming...? IMHO...not only does it promise a bit better fuel burn
through better mixture control...but also may allow us to dial out
the egt peak as we drop below 5k rpms? Perhaps make the engine less
susceptible to seizures...? Herb
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| Subject: | Re: now an actual Kolb question |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> It sure is.
>
> Forgot to mention it is powered with a new 912ULS with Titan SS exhaust
> system, Warp Drive 3 blade fast taper prop and no wierd vibrations or
> harmonics.
>
> john h
> mkIII
lol..... There's actually a video that Travis made doing a walkaround of what looks
like that plane. I watched it 3 times straight in a row at work today (when
I was supposed to be working). I did notice the 4" saber extension and my prop
on the motor.....
I love my titan but I've always been a kolb fan and a fanatic after my FS II (which
I still regret having had to sell). So I've been curious how the new Mark
III had come out. Wonder if any of the new style have been sold and are being
built?
I watched the video of the firefly as well, which looks like it probably was flown
on the same day. The gusty/thermally weather was definitely evident in that
video........
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238431#238431
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: V.W.conversion |
Frank
"Most satisfying" ??
You get the most thrust by no small margin with a reduction drive VW engine.
Revmaster, Happy(sp), AreoVee, and GP direct drive engines will not except
the Valley redrive so they would not be very "satisfying".
Great Plains redrive engines and properly built big dune buggy engines will
except the Valley redrive. They give very "satisfying" thrust in Kolb
airplanes.
A big dune buggy engine built super strong with a mild cam and valve springs
and a few aircraft conversion parts would be less expensive and still be
powerful and reliable so that would be and is very "satisfying" for me.
There are some gear reduction drives that may be suitable for VWs that might
fit work on direct drive VW aircraft conversion engines but????
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:53 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: V.W.conversion
>
>
> Anyone have an idea wich would be the more satisfying , Great plains ,
> Revmaster, or some other?
> Frank Goodnight
> Firestar 2
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: now an actual Kolb question |
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