Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-ie
April 20, 2009 - May 03, 2009
Yes=2C it can be costly to clean and oil filters. All of my vehicles and tr
actor now have K&N filters. I have used paint thinner as a cleaning solvent
for the filters. This breaks down the oil and releases the gathered gunk.
It does not appear to harm the filter fibers at all. Use a regular pump bot
tle you can buy at Wal-Mart to apply the thinner. Then wash the filter in a
dish soap/warm water solution. Allow it to dry before applying the oil. I
buy the genuine K&N oil from an online auto parts distributor in the 1 gall
on container. If you warm the oil before applying it=2C it will move throug
h the pump easier and will permeate the filter.
Just an opinion of a reader of the list.
I am still looking for MY KOLB.
Kurt
Sandy=2C Utah
> From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: One Thing At A Time
> Date: Mon=2C 20 Apr 2009 08:34:21 -0500
>
>
> Lucien/Gang:
>
> My experience and opinions only.
>
> I don't know where you have been flying=2C but there isn't any clean air
=2C even
> if it looks clean.
>
> I would not consider operating my engine without the K&N filter oiled.
>
> > Don't want to get into a K&N bash fest=2C but truth is the unoiled filt
er
> is perfectly adequate for our needs as we generally don't run our motors
on
> the ground for long periods of time. Mostly we're up in the clean air.
>
> You just think "we're up in the clean air." Short local flights will
> probably not give you a real indication of how much dirt that little gold
> plated engine is injesting=2C but do an 8 hour flight day and you will be
> amazed at the amount of crude that collects on the leading edges of
> everything. What you don't see when flying is what can hurt you.
>
> > Oiling is a black art the first few times you do it and making a mistak
e
> those first couple of times till you get the hang of it can be very
> expensive and possibly painful.
>
> I'm not an expert at cleaning and oiling K&N air filters=2C so I usually
over
> oil. I also clean them with gasoline. I think it does a better job=2C is
> quicker=2C and a lot less expensive. I have never seen gasoline damage
> cotton. I have never had an engine problem because of a K&N oil filter th
at
> was over oiled.
>
> > I practically never oil mine for that reason as I'd rather be assured t
he
> > fan keeps turning after cleaning and installation. Without the oil they
> > still filter quite well=2C certainly well enough for our needs.
>
> I wouldn't buy an engine if I new it had been operated without an adequat
e
> air filter.
>
> Again=2C I am not going to gamble on the life of my engine by not oiling
the
> filter. In addition to the airplane=2C I also use oiled cotton and oiled
foam
> rubber air filter elements on my ATV and dirt bike. Without the "correct"
> oil=2C they probably would not last all day.
>
> There is a difference between the oil used for cotton and foam elements.
> Best not get them mixed up. Seems the oil for foam elements is quite stic
ky
> and thicker than oil used for cotton.
>
> > Finally=2C do use the K&N solvent for cleaning=2C tho. A regular solven
t will
> > eventually damage the element....
>
> Again=2C my own experience and opinions only.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
If gasoline were going to damage cotton fiber, seems an air filter for
gasoline engines would be made of some other material. I can assure
you, the filter element is getting saturated with gasoline the entire
time the engine is running.
Probably the reason K&N recommends not using gasoline is the danger of
fire.
And, of course, liability. ;-)
What does the Rotax manual say about oiling K&N cotton filters?
john h
mkIII
Regarding filtering =93clean air=94; I agree with most everything John
has posted. Where I differ from John is; I don=92t like to use gasoline
for anything except the fuel tank
Kurt
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| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="williamtsullivan(at)att.n"]Lucien- Please correct me if I'm wrong. A friend
with extensive 2-stroke knowledge told me that oiling the K&N filter is
generally unnecessary because a 2-stroke at idle will "chuff" back into the filter,
leaving oil. This would not apply to 2-strokes with a reed valve. If run
at low speeds for a while it will become over oiled. If oiled as per spec,
and then run at low speed, it can cause noticable loss of power. He said what
you said- for our usage, clean and don't oil. Would you agree with this?
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
> [b]
My personal experience with the K&N has been that it doesn't need oiling in an
aircraft application. Or putting it another way, I'd only oil if I were skilled
in the art of just enough but not too much oil. But I'm not and couldn't afford
bending metal in the process of learning how. So I don't.
All the oil really does is decrease the size of the particulates the element can
filter. It still works as a filter without the oil, but it's not as effective
on smaller particulates. It has not been my experience that this is a problem
in the air (John disagrees with me on this and I fully respect that and don't
discount it).
Ironically, I don't agree tho that the emissions from the carburettors qualify
as proper oiling of the filter tho ;). Yes, the 2-strokes do spit up a fair bit
and will eventually goop up the bottom of the filter over time. Mine always
did this and I went ahead and cleaned them soon as it started getting kind of
oily there.
My 912 is even clearing little spots in the bottom of my new filters already after
only about 20 or 30 hours of operation, so the 4 strokes spit up a little
as well.
In a _ground_ application, oiling is IMO necessary. I ran K&N's on my motorcycle
for a long time and you really need the extra filtering there. It also so happens
to not be hazardous to over oil on a ground-based motor, tho it will make
a mess and cause problems for a while unless you pull it, reclean and reoil
with less oil.
Reed valve 2-strokes spit up a little less than our piston-skirt induction 2-strokes
due to the longer duration timing on the induction on those, but they'll
still do it a little bit.
LS
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| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> I think one would get a better idea of how much dirt is getting through the
> filter by checking the inside of the carb and intake manifold, rather than
> the inside of the filter.
>
> john h
> mkIII
I usually drag fingers in the carburettor throat as well as the filter to check
for that very thing (i.e. a leak where the filter attaches to the carburettor
body. I've seen that happen and didn't catch it until checking the venturis).
In fact, I have enough hours on my 2 new K&N's that it's time to go pull them and
check them for that already..... so this is a good reminder (I also need to
pull my bowls and check those as you suggested too...)....
LS
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
> I usually drag fingers in the carburettor throat as well as the filter to
check for that very thing (i.e. a leak where the filter attaches to the
carburettor body. I've seen that happen and didn't catch it until checking
the venturis).
>
> In fact, I have enough hours on my 2 new K&N's that it's time to go pull
> them and check them for that already..... so this is a good reminder (I
> also need to pull my bowls and check those as you suggested too...)....
>
> LS
K&N filters are not 100%. Don't think any of them are.
I ran a K&N filter on my Dodge/Cummins only to find out the turbo pulls oil
out of the filter and coats the inside of the turbo, blades, and the
intercooler. Went back to the stock paper element and have less dirt being
pulled through, as I can tell.
However, we can't operate with a paper filter when there is a chance we will
encounter rain. The K&N does a good job in rain. Not many cross country
flights I do not encounter some of the wet stuff.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
wrk2win4u(at)msn.com wrote:
>
> Yes C it can be costly to clean and oil filters. All of my vehicles and tractor
now have K&N filters. I have used paint thinner as a cleaning solvent for the
filters. This breaks down the oil and releases the gathered gunk. It does not
appear to harm the filter fibers at all.
>
A damaged K&N filter element due to using a wrong chemical to clean it is hard
to spot and requires a close inspection. The main symptom is shrinking of the
cotton - you can see it kind of shrivelled up and pulled away from the screen
a bit. If you compare a ruined one next to a new one, you can see what it looks
like.
You'll sometimes also see microscopic white fibers in small quantities on the inside
of the filter. I replace the filters immediately when I see this.
Oddly enough, the good aircraft grade solvent will cause the element to shrink
up like this and give the fibers syndrome. Kerosene will also ruin the filter...
Don't ask me why I know this.
I always only use the K&N solvent to clean mine as it's available everywhere and
is easy to keep on hand. I havn't tried gasoline but I agree with John that
it makes sense that it wouldn't hurt the filter....
LS
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
Kolb guys=2C
May I ask for a little clarification with regard to filters/oiling=2C etc
. My next project to build on my MkIII is my air filter inlet for my turbo
charger. I hadn't really considered that I needed to incorporate an oil co
ated filter( I considered the filter=2C just NOT the oil part). Maybe I sh
ould.
So=2C my question is...are we talking about a "foam" filter lightly soake
d in oil=2C or "paper" filter lightly soaked in oil? I can't recall seeing
any paper type filters oiled. I can think of tons of foam filters soaked
in oil=2C though=2C mostly yard equipment with Briggs & Stratton (type) en
gines.
My thoughts are to use a good foam filter. I hadn't considered including
oil=2C but I guess I should. I do agree there's a lot of crap in the air
that we sort of overlook (but a filter doesn't).
Paper or foam?? Any preference? Which is better?
Mike Welch
MkIII
> From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: One Thing At A Time
> Date: Mon=2C 20 Apr 2009 09:48:59 -0500
>
>
>
> > I usually drag fingers in the carburettor throat as well as the filter
to
> check for that very thing (i.e. a leak where the filter attaches to the
> carburettor body. I've seen that happen and didn't catch it until checkin
g
> the venturis).
> >
> > In fact=2C I have enough hours on my 2 new K&N's that it's time to go p
ull
> > them and check them for that already..... so this is a good reminder (I
> > also need to pull my bowls and check those as you suggested too...)....
> >
> > LS
>
>
> K&N filters are not 100%. Don't think any of them are.
>
> I ran a K&N filter on my Dodge/Cummins only to find out the turbo pulls o
il
> out of the filter and coats the inside of the turbo=2C blades=2C and the
> intercooler. Went back to the stock paper element and have less dirt bein
g
> pulled through=2C as I can tell.
>
> However=2C we can't operate with a paper filter when there is a chance we
will
> encounter rain. The K&N does a good job in rain. Not many cross country
> flights I do not encounter some of the wet stuff.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
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| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I would not run my 912-S without oiling my K&N filters, I clean and oil them every
50 hours or so. While you would not find near as much dirt and dust in the
air as you would on the ground, it is most definately there. Remember you are
also running much higher power levels and continuous RPM's in the air than
on the ground, so even though there is less dust in the air, your engine will
suck in at least 4 times as much air as an engine on the ground, which means helps
balance the equation... You are getting a lot more dust in the air than
you think.
Its not just the size of the air passages also, Oil is very efficient at making
air particles stick to it, even if the passage is larger, the particle will stay
trapped to an oily surface. Thats why oil is great, it does not just depend
on air passage size.
I only use K&N oil on my filters, and follow their directions. Its not hard, I
have done this 4 times on my 912 and also several times on a 447 and never had
any problems with my engines not running perfectly after cleaning and oiling.
The importance of having a good performing air filter to achieve good engine life
is an accepted fact. I would not let an unreasonable fear of over oiling prevent
me from having a properly functioning filter ( Oiled in the case of K&N
). Putting to much motor oil the crankcase of an engine can also cause problems,
that does not mean I don't put motor oil in the engine at all, it just means
I put in the proper amount... Same goes for oil on the K&N air filters. I
would read K&N's instructions about the proper way to do it ( which I have done
), and have a well protected and good running engine that has a good chance
of maintaining compression and lasting to TBO or beyond.
Mike
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have !!!
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New M3X Flies ! |
Thought you all might do it different over there.>>
Heh! Heh!
Just that my last planes instruments were calibrated in knots. ASI and vario
and I forgot.
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb List Re: q |
A "G" model 17 has the chin turret .When I took the ride in it ,all I could
think of is the fact that they were in these airplanes for 8-10 hrs a time
,at deafening levels of sound and bullets flying through it>>
That chin turret was I think added because the Germans soon learned that the
B-17 gunners couldn`t cover the front and they then launched head on
attacks,jinking up or down at the last moment and flying through the
formation. Damned scary and brave.
Regarding the noise. A few years ago I managed to get on a Lancaster while
she taxied and those 4 Merlins and the great props. just outside the pilots
position made an incredible din. What it must have been like when she hit
full chat for a fully loaded takeoff run defeats the imagination.
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New M3X Flies ! |
What are you swinging Pat? Herb
Hi,
Wooden GT-2/157/NO 2BLADE HR tips. 157 cms dia. 98cms pitch. Max ground
Static 2750 rpm.
Thats what it says in the book.
Pat
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
Mike W/Gang:
I'd go with K&N. There's a bunch of them out there in the experimental
and ultralight world.
Their filter element is woven cotten. A special oil is used to saturate
the cotton and make it an efficient air filter. They work great in dry
and wet conditions.
john h
mkIII
May I ask for a little clarification with regard to filters/oiling,
etc.
Mike Welch
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New M3X Flies ! |
58 inches in dia... 44 inch pitch... Sensenich makes super
props... been doing it for a long time...not sure about the ae9623... Herb.
Hi,
thought I might do the conversion.
61.8 inches dia. 38.5 inch pitch
Pat
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb List Re: q |
> That chin turret was I think added because the Germans
>
> Pat
Is this still the Kolb Builders and Flyers List? Or have I picked the wrong
channel again?
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Make One Change At A Time, Then Test Fly |
Flew over to Wetumpka Airport to wash my airplane.
Remember, yesterday after cleaning and oiling my K&N air filters, power had
dropped from 5400 rpm climb out and 5600 rpm WOT straight and level flight,
to 5200 and 5500. I had made three changes to the engine that could
possibly caused the change, but did not know which one. Now I do.
This morning, I was climbing out at 5300 and turning 5600 WOT straight and
level. My guess is that over oiling had restricted air flow a little
causing a reduction in power, because today she is screaming just where I
want it.
There is still 100 rpm difference climbing out, but this may be attributed
to air temp and density altitude. Who knows. I'm happy.
Now it is time to start making my pile of camping gear and clothes in the
middle of the living room floor in preparation for departure to Lakeland,
Florida, tomorrow. Probably will not leave here until around noon to arrive
LAL after 1800 and miss the air show.
I'm ready for a little trip and looking forward to seeing all my Kolb
friends at Paradise City.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New M3X Flies ! |
Hello Mike,
here is a picture of the inside...
Pretty nice,
Is the throttle and trim in the middle a repeat of one at your left hand?
Mine has throttle and trim just under the left hand so I can fly right
handed with a repeater for a lefthanded co pilot.
The trim is forward as far as I can reach. The flaps are operated by a damn
great handle which projects from the rear of the cockpit between the pilot
and crew. You get used to it but it is a lousy bit of design. Putting up the
flaps as you clean up climbing through5/600 feet produces porpoising like a
new Spitfire pilot changing hands to operate the u/c.
Incidentally a Spitfire was auctioned today at an airfield near me. She went
for 1.5 million . I remember when we were collecting to buy a Spitfire at a
Wings Week during the war that a Spit. was 5000 and a Lancaster was 25000.
I wish I had bought half a dozen at the time.
Cheers
Pat
Pat.
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb List Re: q |
Is this still the Kolb Builders and Flyers List? Or have I picked the wrong
channel again?
Hi John,
I knew it would be you!. I was waiting for someone to crack the whip. You
are quite right, things have got a bit off topic the last few days. Back to
the grindstone.
I am also on a Jazz list and there is always someone complaining that we are
discussing the wrong things. As no`one can even define jazz you can see that
there is a lot of room for argument. Someone said that a List is like a Club
bar. Everyone probably has the same basic interest but they are not all
discussing the same aspect. If you don`t like what is being discussed in
this group, just move further down the bar.
Personally I am up to here with `b****y filters and I couldn`t care less if
they are foam or paper but I wouldn`t think of saying so.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- John- What is the weight of all your camping gear, and how do you stow
it?- What do you tie it to?- Yesterday's cockpit photo has me wondering
.
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-------------- Bill Sullivan
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-------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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-------------- FS 447
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb List Re: q |
> Personally I am up to here with `b****y filters and I couldn`t care less
if
> they are foam or paper but I wouldn`t think of saying so.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
I'm sorry you feel that way about air filters. I guess the b****y filters
are something you all use over there. Haven't run across any of them over
here.
I didn't make the rules for the Kolb List. Matt Dralle did. He owns it. I
think it is Matt that sends out the operating guidelines each month, not me.
I can only speak for myself, one among many.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Bill S/Gang:
My camping gear, clothes, air plane stuff, weighs between 100 and 125
lbs.
I have 150 lbs of fuel (25 gal) when I take off.
I weigh probably close to 200 lbs fully clothed with a belly full of
eggs, bacon, grits, and toast, plus 3 cups of coffee.
Dennis Souder said my airplane weighed 630 lbs in 1994. Probably gained
some more weight since then. That's about 1100 lbs and my MKIII is
placarded for 1200 lbs max gross.
I designed my mkIII to fly cross country before we ever started welding
the fuselage up. 25 gal aluminum fuel tank up top where the standard
MKIII has a large empty space. This opened up the bottom half, normally
cluttered up with two 5 gal plastic cans. Most of my gear is stowed in
the cargo compartment.
I also stow gear under each seat, behind each seat, and up in the nose
pod ahead of the rudder pedals.
Got a place for everything I need to live out of the mkIII. Nothing
gets tied down, it all has its own spot.
john h
mkIII
John- What is the weight of all your camping gear, and how do
you stow it? What do you tie it to? Yesterday's cockpit photo has me
wondering.
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
JetPilot wrote:
> I would not run my 912-S without oiling my K&N filters, I clean and oil them
every 50 hours or so. While you would not find near as much dirt and dust in
the air as you would on the ground, it is most definately there. Remember you
are also running much higher power levels and continuous RPM's in the air than
on the ground, so even though there is less dust in the air, your engine will
suck in at least 4 times as much air as an engine on the ground, which means
helps balance the equation... You are getting a lot more dust in the air than
you think.
>
> Its not just the size of the air passages also, Oil is very efficient at making
air particles stick to it, even if the passage is larger, the particle will
stay trapped to an oily surface. Thats why oil is great, it does not just depend
on air passage size.
>
> I only use K&N oil on my filters, and follow their directions. Its not hard,
I have done this 4 times on my 912 and also several times on a 447 and never
had any problems with my engines not running perfectly after cleaning and oiling.
>
> The importance of having a good performing air filter to achieve good engine
life is an accepted fact. I would not let an unreasonable fear of over oiling
prevent me from having a properly functioning filter ( Oiled in the case of K&N
). Putting to much motor oil the crankcase of an engine can also cause problems,
that does not mean I don't put motor oil in the engine at all, it just
means I put in the proper amount... Same goes for oil on the K&N air filters.
I would read K&N's instructions about the proper way to do it ( which I have
done ), and have a well protected and good running engine that has a good chance
of maintaining compression and lasting to TBO or beyond.
>
> Mike
Well you know... being as how I'm not afraid to overturn something I've done forever
that may still not be the right thing to do...... and how I take what ya'll
tell me seriously........
I did run across a good idea for checking for overoiling of the K&N that had never
occurred to me. The idea is to check the airflow through the filter with a
vacuum. I.e. a small shop vac put over the outlet of the filter can clear out
excess oil if overoiled and can give an indication of proper airflow.......
I'm going to try that when I do the maint. on my current set of filters. Why not
as that's really my only worry with oiling (I don't wish to repeat the overoiling
experience I had in my trike for sure)...
FWIW, from the reminder by John I did my float bowl check today and happily there
was no water or crapola in either one. When I lived in TX, I always found at
least a small ball of H2O in the bottom of the bowls when I did this check (usually
at 25 to 30 hours or thereabouts). I attribute that to the much drier
climate here.
LS
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| From: | <smlplanet(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
There is one thing I haven't heard mentioned and that is moisture that can
be adsorb by the filters if not oiled.
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From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: 2009-04-20 17:53
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: One Thing At A Time
>
>
> JetPilot wrote:
>> I would not run my 912-S without oiling my K&N filters, I clean and oil
>> them every 50 hours or so. While you would not find near as much dirt
>> and dust in the air as you would on the ground, it is most definately
>> there. Remember you are also running much higher power levels and
>> continuous RPM's in the air than on the ground, so even though there is
>> less dust in the air, your engine will suck in at least 4 times as much
>> air as an engine on the ground, which means helps balance the equation...
>> You are getting a lot more dust in the air than you think.
>>
>> Its not just the size of the air passages also, Oil is very efficient at
>> making air particles stick to it, even if the passage is larger, the
>> particle will stay trapped to an oily surface. Thats why oil is great,
>> it does not just depend on air passage size.
>>
>> I only use K&N oil on my filters, and follow their directions. Its not
>> hard, I have done this 4 times on my 912 and also several times on a 447
>> and never had any problems with my engines not running perfectly after
>> cleaning and oiling.
>>
>> The importance of having a good performing air filter to achieve good
>> engine life is an accepted fact. I would not let an unreasonable fear of
>> over oiling prevent me from having a properly functioning filter ( Oiled
>> in the case of K&N ). Putting to much motor oil the crankcase of an
>> engine can also cause problems, that does not mean I don't put motor oil
>> in the engine at all, it just means I put in the proper amount... Same
>> goes for oil on the K&N air filters. I would read K&N's instructions
>> about the proper way to do it ( which I have done ), and have a well
>> protected and good running engine that has a good chance of maintaining
>> compression and lasting to TBO or beyond.
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> Well you know... being as how I'm not afraid to overturn something I've
> done forever that may still not be the right thing to do...... and how I
> take what ya'll tell me seriously........
>
> I did run across a good idea for checking for overoiling of the K&N that
> had never occurred to me. The idea is to check the airflow through the
> filter with a vacuum. I.e. a small shop vac put over the outlet of the
> filter can clear out excess oil if overoiled and can give an indication of
> proper airflow.......
>
> I'm going to try that when I do the maint. on my current set of filters.
> Why not as that's really my only worry with oiling (I don't wish to repeat
> the overoiling experience I had in my trike for sure)...
>
>
> FWIW, from the reminder by John I did my float bowl check today and
> happily there was no water or crapola in either one. When I lived in TX, I
> always found at least a small ball of H2O in the bottom of the bowls when
> I did this check (usually at 25 to 30 hours or thereabouts). I attribute
> that to the much drier climate here.
>
> LS
> LS
>
> --------
> LS
> Titan II SS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240364#240364
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Lucien,
The Vacuum test is a really good idea. If there is to much oil in the filter to
block it, a strong Vacuum might be enough to clear the filter out to where it
should be. A two stroke is much more acceptable to have problems with a richer
mixture than a 4 stroke. I have never heard of a 912 losing power because
of an over oiled filter.
Most people use K&N filters on their 912's , I think if power loss were a big risk
due to over oiling, that we would have heard a LOT of reports about this issue
on the forums, and Rotax groups over the years. The absence of reports like
this on a product that most of us use does indicate its just not a big problem.
Now I'm sure if one went and dunked the air filter in a can full of oil
and brought it out dripping wet, it would not be great... I just have never
heard of oiling the K&N filters being super critical or a dangerous thing.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Dear Kolb listers, I just inquired to FULL LOTUS to get a replacement cost
as you can see below the mono float is not cheap especially the retractable
gear $1950. I have , and I brought it to Fla. this year, A Mono 1000 with
Sponsons and retractable- landing gear, that came off my Firestar Kxp, I
am now building a Firefly and need money I will let it go for $1000 plus 1/
2 the gas to get it here$125. It is used and one of the 8 bladders is flat
it needs work but a new one needs work untill you get it installed on you a
ircraft.=0A----- If you want to try an inflatable , Amphibious-
, float system $1125 is a lot less risk than $4610! I must sell it this wee
k as i need money to get- home ,I will deliver it to Sun& Fun or anywhere
in north Fl. or on the coast between Fl and Ma.Email if interested. PS it
worked great on my Firestar with a 503 single carb. Thanks Chris=0A=0A=0A--
--- Forwarded Message ----=0AFrom: Info <info@full-lotus.com>=0ATo: chris d
avis =0ASent: Monday, April 20, 2009 1:51:53 PM=0ASubj
ect: RE: momofloat=0A=0A=0AHi Chris=0A-=0AThank you for your interest in
our products. Below is a price break down for your request:=0A-i=0AMono 1
000------------ $2495.00usd=0A-=0A2 sponson--
------------$- 165.00usd/pair=0A-=0AAmphibious
kit------- $1950.00usd=0A-=0AFront bladder-----
----- $---92.00ea-=0A-=0ARear--------
-------------- $-- 68.00ea=0A-=0A-=0A
-=0APlease let me know if you have any further questions.=0AJeffery M. Ho
lomis=0APresident Full Lotus Mfg=0ASimolo Customs=0Awww.full-lotus.com=0Aph
250-260-3714=0Afax 250-483-4716 =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: chri
s davis [mailto:capedavis(at)yahoo.com]=0ASent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:56
AM=0ATo: info@full-lotus.com=0ASubject: momofloat=0A=0A=0A =0Afull-Lotus ,
I am writing for prices ? Mono 1000,with retractable gear and 2 sponsons a
lso what are the costs for replaceable air bladders I understand there are
8 ,what are the cost of each one thank you . Chris =0A=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Fred I dont know if you could possibly still be interested- but my wife
- and I managed to get the Mono float system to a Fl. this year it has a
flat bladder maybe 2 but the Sponsons and the retractable gear are there an
d with some work it will be flyable and floatableand at 1/4 the cost I thin
k its worth the investment if you want to try an inflatable. I am truly sor
ry for the lost time but I will deliver it to Sun & Fun if that works for y
ou, The sale of it will be the only way I can afford to go this year.! Than
ks- Chris=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Forwarded Message ----=0AFrom: Info <info@full
-lotus.com>=0ATo: chris davis =0ASent: Monday, April 2
0, 2009 1:51:53 PM=0ASubject: RE: momofloat=0A=0A=0AHi Chris=0A-=0AThank
you for your interest in our products. Below is a price break down for your
request:=0A-=0AMono 1000------------ $2495.00usd
=0A-=0A2 sponson--------------$- 165.00usd/
pair=0A-=0AAmphibious kit------- $1950.00usd=0A-=0AFront
bladder---------- $---92.00ea-=0A-=0ARear-
--------------------- $-- 68.
00ea=0A-=0A-=0A-=0APlease let me know if you have any further questio
ns.=0AJeffery M. Holomis=0APresident Full Lotus Mfg=0ASimolo Customs=0Awww.
full-lotus.com=0Aph 250-260-3714=0Afax 250-483-4716 =0A-----Original Messag
e-----=0AFrom: chris davis [mailto:capedavis(at)yahoo.com]=0ASent: Saturday, A
pril 18, 2009 6:56 AM=0ATo: info@full-lotus.com=0ASubject: momofloat=0A=0A
=0A =0Afull-Lotus , I am writing for prices ? Mono 1000,with retractable g
ear and 2 sponsons also what are the costs for replaceable air bladders I u
nderstand there are 8 ,what are the cost of each one thank you . Chris
=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One Thing At A Time |
I have never heard of a 912 losing power because of an over oiled filter.
>
> Mike
I just wrote about losing 200 rpm yesterday. Then today my power was back.
I attribute that to an over oiled air filter because I have changed nothing
else since then. I did fly about 45 minutes, probably enough to clean up
the air filter.
I did not have a complete loss of power, by any means.
Don't believe a two stroke would have been affected by over oiling any more
than my 912ULS did. If it did, it would be readily noticeable on take off.
Unless you were operating on a very short, tough strip, you would have
plenty time to see the reduction in take off power and abort the flight, if
necessary.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb crash yesterday |
http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9013281
--
"Gold cannot always get you good soldiers, but good soldiers can always
get you gold"-- Niccolo Machiavelli
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: CHT Probe-Attachment/Breakage |
Ed,
Here's the cure!
I read about this idea in the EAA UL magazine several years ago. Get a 10
mm size CHT sensor (available from CPS or Lockwood) and place it under one
of the 8 mm cylinder head nuts (I used the rear most bolt/nut position on
the PTO end, thinking it might be the hottest). It won't give you the same
cylinder head temperature that it would under the spark plug (it will read
a lower figure), BUT it can be used as a reference to see if your CHT is
changing due to a broken fan belt or whatever. And it ends the broken
sensor saga.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
In a message dated 4/19/2009 3:41:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
DAquaNut(at)aol.com writes:
List,
Has anyone figured out a way to keep from ruining the CHT attachment
ring under the sparkplug? Mine broke and I would like to keep from replacing
it again if at all possible. Any trick to it?
Ed Diebel FF 62
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New M3X Flies ! |
At 02:16 PM 4/20/2009, you wrote:
>
>Thought you all might do it different over there.>>
>
>Heh! Heh!
>
>Just that my last planes instruments were calibrated in knots. ASI
>and vario and I forgot.
>
>Pat
I thought it was furlongs per fortnight.
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New M3X Flies ! |
I thought it was furlongs per fortnight.>>
Great!. I never met an American who knew what a fortnight was.
How about `rod, pole, perch or lug per sennight`
Pat (Still laughing)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Ed is doing pretty well and will probably have surgery today to set his leg bones
in place if the swelling in his leg has gone down enough.
All of us have heard the phrase "He rolled it up into a ball?" Well, this is how
a Kolb looks when you do that: notice the integrity of the main cockpit area.
And yes - it is rebuildable and we do plan to rebuild it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (42OldPoops)
PS: Over the years most everybody - including me- have taken for granted the comparative
fragility of Ivoprops. Uh - notice what the tail boom is wrapped around...
Currently the prop is the only airworthy thing on the airplane - go figure.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Sun and Fun 2009 |
Morning Gang:
I'm out the door and headed for Gantt International Airport.
Plan to get in the air soonest.
Weather guessers are forecasting a wind advisory today all the way to just
north of Lakeland, 15 to 25 out of the west. At least I will have a
tailwind.
Hope to make it to LAL before they close the field for the air show at 1300
EDST. Will be pusing it, but with the wind, I may be able to do it. If
not, I'll hang out somewhere until about 1800 EDST to get into Paradise
City.
See ya'll down there.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
I'll be flying down also.
Look for the yellow checkerboards..!
--------
Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
Amazing pics. Steel cages are good!
--------
Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
- Ed's crash looks a lot worse than mine.- I hope he is resting comfort
ably, and heals up okay.- Give him my best wishes.- Yes, it does look r
e-buildable.- Mostly, lots of labor.
- "Before" photo's are at www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
- The comments about the steel cage are correct- mine folded about the sa
me way.- I barked my shins on the instrument panel, but no other leg dama
ge.- I think if I was 20 years younger I wouldn't have taken the back and
neck damage (no discs prior to the accident).- How old is Ed?
-
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--------------------- Bill Sulliv
an
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--------------------- Windsor Loc
ks, Ct.
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--------------------- FS 447
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| From: | Michael Sharp <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New M3X Flies ! |
Well, isn't lug to be pulled by the hair or ears, and sennight is celtic fo
r 7 nights?- =0A=0ASoooo is it being pulled by your ears for 7 nights????
=0A=0AShhhhhhh- don't tell anyone it's not kolb related.... =0A=0ADo Not
Archive=0A=0AMike=0AMk III C=0AOak Grove Missouri=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0AFrom: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>=0ATo: kolb-lis
t(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:00:29 AM=0ASubject: Re: K
d" =0A=0AI thought it was furlongs per fortnight.>>
=0A=0AGreat!.- I never met an American who knew what a fortnight was. =0A
How about- `rod, pole, perch or lug per sennight`=0A=0APat (Still laughin
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New M3X Flies ! |
sennight is celtic for 7 nights? >>
Hi Mike,
Not Celtic as far as I know. `Sennight` is a shortened form of `seven
nights` in the same way that `fortnight` is a shortened form of
`fourteen nights`.
Now that really is off topic so back in your dorm quickly before the
monitor comes round. Its nearly `lights out`
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
glad to hear the pilot is reasonably OK.
The pics show the entire tail plane assembly twisted over the top of the
wing yet the boom can still be seen pointing aft. Did the end of the
boom including the tail snap off? Seems unlikely but the entire tail
plane staying together after it had departed the boom seems equally
unlikely.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
Richard, what do you think might have caused this?
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
My heart goes out to Ed. His Kolb was a beauty and maybe he can rebuild it back
to its original condition.
The sad part is that it didn't need to happen. Beware of landing in tight backyard
airstrips. Had the tailwheel not caught on the fence, he would have made it.
There have been times where a downdraft pushed me within inches of a powerline
landing at small airstrips.
Ralph B
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
N111KX (Kip) wrote:
> I'll be flying down also.
>
> Look for the yellow checkerboards..!
Any chance you'll be stopping by AYS Waycross?
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | What diameter are the 4 bolts (16 total) that hold the 4 lord |
engine mounts on a MKIII?
I am away from the airplane and need to know this. I think they are an-3,
but I am not sure.
Jason
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Dumb short short landing technique question |
>
>I have a what may seem like a dumb question regarding really short landings.
I've been pushing myself to try to land as short as I can. I find it a challenge
to control the speed at minimum and achieve a decent landing with minimum
ground roll. I consider myself barely an average aviator and have the history
to prove it.
>
>I'm down to landing in less than 600 ft over a +80 foot obstacle on grass. One
of the problems is the steep approach at minimum speed and timing the flare.
Gusting winds don't help. I think what is happening is the wing and flaps are
blocking the air at the abrupt flare and robbing some elevator authority making
things kinda ugly at times. My next move is to try a little shot of power
to put some air on the elevator for authority.
>
>I liken this to a bird landing on a wire and missing the wire. Interested in
learning others techniques and suggestions. Don't want to insult anyone, but
would like to avoid VG's being the answer. Technique should be the same to achieve
best result with or without VG's. Sorry bout that.
>
>Again, this is pushing my abilities. I may have reached my personal limits based
on my limited ability.
>
John,
You may want to consider changing your technique.
One can practice steep descents and then apply it to landing. My problem
was selecting an alternative landing site and then not being able to get the
FireFly down in time and thereby over flying the site. It took a little
practice but finally I managed it.
I took the FireFly up to about 3,000 feet agl, and applied flaperons,
reduced power, and pushed the nose over to see how quickly I was falling out
of the sky. I never let the ias get below 50 mph. Then I did the same
thing again with a forward slip. It is truly amazing how quickly you can
get down and one can vary the rate by pushing the stick forward and
increasing the air speed.
Once I got used to this, I went back to the airport and practiced flaring at
given spot on the runway. The advantage of this method is that you are
never anywhere close to stall speed. It lets you change slope with stick
for and backwards motion and to clear an obstacles with out fear of stalling.
Just before flaring, you back off the rudder and all power and you are down.
FWIW
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
Richard
Inquiring minds want to know. How did the tail get rapped up over the top? I
looks like the left wheel might have caught the fence flipping the plane
over on the right wing but that doesn't explain how the boom tube got rapped
up that way. Did the plane get turned around back wards right side up in the
air then landed going backwards?? Any way it must have been a wild ride that
last few seconds. Thankfully he wasn't killed.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb crash yesterday
>
> Ed is doing pretty well and will probably have surgery today to set his
> leg bones in place if the swelling in his leg has gone down enough.
>
> All of us have heard the phrase "He rolled it up into a ball?" Well, this
> is how a Kolb looks when you do that: notice the integrity of the main
> cockpit area.
>
> And yes - it is rebuildable and we do plan to rebuild it.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (42OldPoops)
>
> PS: Over the years most everybody - including me- have taken for granted
> the comparative fragility of Ivoprops. Uh - notice what the tail boom is
> wrapped around... Currently the prop is the only airworthy thing on the
> airplane - go figure.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240441#240441
>
>
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>
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>
>
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
>
Richard,
Some photos. I don't understand how he could have wrapped the tail boom
around the wing. It all most looks like it was was rolled over backwards.
This does not seem likely if one caught the tail wheel on a fence. Is this
after crash damage? Can you fill in the mechanics of the crash?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
Richard, it's the WINGS you are supposed to fold, not the tail.
BB
On 21, Apr 2009, at 8:55 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Ed is doing pretty well and will probably have surgery today to set
> his leg bones in place if the swelling in his leg has gone down
> enough.
>
> All of us have heard the phrase "He rolled it up into a ball?"
> Well, this is how a Kolb looks when you do that: notice the
> integrity of the main cockpit area.
>
> And yes - it is rebuildable and we do plan to rebuild it.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (42OldPoops)
>
> PS: Over the years most everybody - including me- have taken for
> granted the comparative fragility of Ivoprops. Uh - notice what the
> tail boom is wrapped around... Currently the prop is the only
> airworthy thing on the airplane - go figure.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240441#240441
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Just for anyones info,
? Blackwater ultralite airpark is a couple miles south of Zephyhills airport right
on highway 39.It has 2300 ' of n/s runway all sod ,and a wash up sink and
flush toilet and pop machine.It's 10 min north of LAL,and Mrs.Canon is a sweetheart.I
keep the MK3 there all winter,nice people.I'm sure you could overnite
there if the need arose.
? G Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: cristalclear13 <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:50 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2009
N111KX (Kip) wrote:
> I'll be flying down also.
>
> Look for the yellow checkerboards..!
Any chance you'll be stopping by AYS Waycross?
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
| From: | "Kirkds" <kirkds(at)dishmail.net> |
Looks like the main gear caught the fence plunging the nose into the ground. The
forward momentum carried the tail over the top as the cage was springing the
fusalage back up in the air. A forward flip it came back down on the tail as
the fusalage was still going forward through the air over the tail. My understanding
was that when help arrived the fusalage was upside down and not as seen
in the pics.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
Cristal, it's a bit out of my way but not much. Will you be around tomorrow? Are
you headed to SnF?
Kip
cristalclear13 wrote:
>
> N111KX (Kip) wrote:
> > I'll be flying down also.
> >
> > Look for the yellow checkerboards..!
>
>
> Any chance you'll be stopping by AYS Waycross?
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Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Probably should have put this in the original post, but just to help resolve the
speculation - There was apparently a wind shear caused both by the local terrain
and by a thermal cooking off, but either way - there was a sharp airpseed
decay, the tailwheel hit the ground on the wrong side of the fence, but the mains
cleared. (Love those VG's...)
Hit the fence with the tailwheel, flipped it nose low, hit the grass with the left
main first. The fitting where the landing gear leg attaches to the axle broke,
the wheel came off, and the gear leg dug in. (Tongue in cheek comment follows:)
That was not helpful. (I WILL be talking this over with Travis) When we
put it back together, the new fitting will get gusseted. I am also planning
to gusset the fitting on my MKIII if it is similar. Fool me once, etc...
With the wheel gone off the end of the left gear leg, the leg dug in, and that
is probably when the nose hit. Then, as the airplane was spinning around the left
gear leg, I think the tail hit next, the airplane having turned 180 degrees
and is now going backwards, the tail hit, and the boom folded, and now the airplane
rolled up the boom, ending up inverted, with the empennage wrapped around
the gap seal. Not sure when or how the right wing was destroyed. Maybe it
hit as the airplane spun 180 degrees. Strangest of all, the Ivoprop emerged unscathed!
(weird...)
Ed is in good spirits, already discussing how we will put it back together, looks
like his surgery is now set back a couple of weeks, situation unsure. We are
praying for good healing.
It will take a while to put the FSII back together, but we are already committed
to putting it back together with a goal of 50 pounds lighter, (It was porky,
too many bells and whistles) stronger, and better than before. This is all just
a speed bump on the road of life. Guys build things. (because God builds things,
we imitate Him, we build things) Because we live in a fallen world, we tear
stuff up, then we fix it and go on, then we tear it up, and fix it again,
and go on. We are guys, that's what we do. Ed and I have talked it over, and it
gives us something good to do. Not what we had planned, but so what? Keeps us
out of worse mischief...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Ultrastar Reduction Drive |
| From: | "Thumper" <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone have parts from a Cuyuna Reduction drive, 2.0 to 1 multi-rib belt. This
is for Homers original redrive. I have one with bad excentric shaft and driven
hub. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis
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Dennis Long
Oakland TN
Kolb Ultrastar Owner
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
This does not seem likely if one caught the tail wheel on a fence.>>
Hi Jack,
I thought that was strange. I did the same thing in a Kranich Glider many
years ago. It was like picking up the third wire with your arrestor hook. we
suddenly lost flying speed, then the fence broke and the glider just fell to
the ground and stood up on the front skid, almost flipped and then fell
back.
With a Kolb with maybe an undercarriage tube sticking into the ground it
could go either way.
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
The advantage of this method is that you are never anywhere close to stall
speed. >>
Hi
How do you know?. If you are slipping your ASI is probably useless as the
airflow will be across the pitot. The airflow will be sideways along the
wing as well and therefore not giving as much lift as you perhaps expect.
With so little side area is it worth sideslipping anyway? In my Challenger
she would slip like a banshee and fall out of the sky, but I always kept the
speed up but with the Kolb it doesn`t seem to make mush difference.
Maybe I should do some serious measurements >The vario should work correctly
??
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Pat,
? Am I assuming correctly,that a vario is a rate of climb or descent? instrument?
?? Thanks G Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 7:24 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dumb short short landing technique question
?
The advantage of this method is that you are never anywhere close to stall
speed. >>?
?
Hi?
How do you know?. If you are slipping your ASI is probably useless as the
airflow will be across the pitot. The airflow will be sideways along the
wing as well and therefore not giving as much lift as you perhaps expect.?
With so little side area is it worth sideslipping anyway? In my Challenger
she would slip like a banshee and fall out of the sky, but I always kept the
speed up but with the Kolb it doesn`t seem to make mush difference.?
Maybe I should do some serious measurements >The vario should work correctly
???
?
Pat ?
?
?
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Richard Pike wrote:
>
>
> (I WILL be talking this over with Travis) When we put it back together, the
new fitting will get gusseted. I am also planning to gusset the fitting on my
MKIII if it is similar. Fool me once, etc...
>
>
That is a very good idea, this is not the first time things have been much worse
than they should have been due to a landing gear breaking. It seems like its
worth the effort and little extra weight to have strong gear.
Mike
--------
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have !!!
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short landing technique question |
>
>The advantage of this method is that you are never anywhere close to stall
>speed. >>
>
>Hi
>How do you know?. If you are slipping your ASI is probably useless as the
>airflow will be across the pitot. The airflow will be sideways along the
>wing as well and therefore not giving as much lift as you perhaps expect.
>With so little side area is it worth sideslipping anyway? In my Challenger
>she would slip like a banshee and fall out of the sky, but I always kept the
>speed up but with the Kolb it doesn`t seem to make mush difference.
>Maybe I should do some serious measurements >The vario should work correctly
>??
>
Pat,
The idea is to dirty up the plane. That is why you add flaperon and forward
slip. Adding flaperon increases both the lift and drag coefficients and
reduces stall speed. The forward slip increases drag and decreases lift.
The trick is to find the flaperon setting that gives you the highest rate of
controllable descent.
There is no way to stall the FireFly at 50 mphi unless you intentionally
stall it by jerking the stick back. In a forward slip, the airspeed
indicator will read slow so if it indicates 50 mph you are actually going
faster and so it increases the margin of safety. The important thing is to
keep the power off so that one can steepen the descent.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> The advantage of this method is that you are never anywhere close to stall
> speed. >>
>
> Hi
> How do you know?. If you are slipping your ASI is probably useless as the
> airflow will be across the pitot. The airflow will be sideways along the
> wing as well and therefore not giving as much lift as you perhaps expect.
> With so little side area is it worth sideslipping anyway? In my Challenger
> she would slip like a banshee and fall out of the sky, but I always kept the
> speed up but with the Kolb it doesn`t seem to make mush difference.
> Maybe I should do some serious measurements >The vario should work correctly
> ??
>
> Pat
Well remember, stall is determined by angle of attack, not airspeed. This is why
we can still fly an airplane in a slip or without an working ASI - you still
have to practice AoA maintenance to avoid a stall in a slip also just like at
other times.
So I'd say Jack is right. The forward slip is a good way to add drag for steepening
a descent without building up too much airspeed (a poor man's flaps).
But I will agree that slips in the Kolb don't add a whole bunch more drag like
they do in some other planes. I slipped my FS II a bunch but didn't find it to
really steepen the descent that much. But it did work so I used it in the rare
event I was actually too high on final.
If you really want drag, install a C box and the rk-400 clutch. Talk about flaps.....
the windmilling prop when you back down to idle is like deploying the
BRS, you come down and steep too...... ;)
LS
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Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote:
> The idea is to dirty up the plane. That is why you add flaperon and forward
> slip. Adding flaperon increases both the lift and drag coefficients and
> reduces stall speed. The forward slip increases drag and decreases lift.
> The trick is to find the flaperon setting that gives you the highest rate of
> controllable descent.
>
> There is no way to stall the FireFly at 50 mphi unless you intentionally
> stall it by jerking the stick back. In a forward slip, the airspeed
> indicator will read slow so if it indicates 50 mph you are actually going
> faster and so it increases the margin of safety. The important thing is to
> keep the power off so that one can steepen the descent.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
Jack,
I was mostly trained in a Cessna 150 but my instructor would slap my hand if I
did a slip with the flaps down. Do one or the other, but not both.
I don't have flaps in my Kolb Mark II, so that's not an option for me anyways.
If we're having an emergency, well we're probably in danger anyways so it may be
worth the potential danger that the combination brings, but if it's just because
our approach is off, then go around and do the right approach. May be well
worth the extra gas and time it takes!
If one insists on trying it or being familiar with it in case of an emergency,
then get with an instructor first and make sure you are performing it as safely
as possible.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | Bruce Bixler <tocprez(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
Richard,
Glad to hear Travis is doing OK. That FSII looks like a scorpion with its "stinger
boom" pointed forward.. Still have my Fergy F-IIB project and will sell it
very
reasonable with or without the Geo/Raven engine.
Bruce Bixler
----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:52:13 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb crash yesterday
Probably should have put this in the original post, but just to help resolve the
speculation - There was apparently a wind shear caused both by the local terrain
and by a thermal cooking off, but either way - there was a sharp airpseed
decay, the tailwheel hit the ground on the wrong side of the fence, but the mains
cleared. (Love those VG's...)
Hit the fence with the tailwheel, flipped it nose low, hit the grass with the left
main first. The fitting where the landing gear leg attaches to the axle broke,
the wheel came off, and the gear leg dug in. (Tongue in cheek comment follows:)
That was not helpful. (I WILL be talking this over with Travis) When we
put it back together, the new fitting will get gusseted. I am also planning to
gusset the fitting on my MKIII if it is similar. Fool me once, etc...
With the wheel gone off the end of the left gear leg, the leg dug in, and that
is probably when the nose hit. Then, as the airplane was spinning around the left
gear leg, I think the tail hit next, the airplane having turned 180 degrees
and is now going backwards, the tail hit, and the boom folded, and now the airplane
rolled up the boom, ending up inverted, with the empennage wrapped around
the gap seal. Not sure when or how the right wing was destroyed. Maybe it
hit as the airplane spun 180 degrees. Strangest of all, the Ivoprop emerged unscathed!
(weird...)
Ed is in good spirits, already discussing how we will put it back together, looks
like his surgery is now set back a couple of weeks, situation unsure. We are
praying for good healing.
It will take a while to put the FSII back together, but we are already committed
to putting it back together with a goal of 50 pounds lighter, (It was porky,
too many bells and whistles) stronger, and better than before. This is all just
a speed bump on the road of life. Guys build things. (because God builds things,
we imitate Him, we build things) Because we live in a fallen world, we tear
stuff up, then we fix it and go on, then we tear it up, and fix it again,
and go on. We are guys, that's what we do. Ed and I have talked it over, and it
gives us something good to do. Not what we had planned, but so what? Keeps us
out of worse mischief...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short landing technique question |
>
>Jack,
>
>I was mostly trained in a Cessna 150 but my instructor would slap my hand if I
did a slip with the flaps down. Do one or the other, but not both.
>
>I don't have flaps in my Kolb Mark II, so that's not an option for me anyways.
>
>If we're having an emergency, well we're probably in danger anyways so it may
be worth the potential danger that the combination brings, but if it's just because
our approach is off, then go around and do the right approach. May be well
worth the extra gas and time it takes!
>
>If one insists on trying it or being familiar with it in case of an emergency,
then get with an instructor first and make sure you are performing it as safely
as possible.
>
Cristal,
You are absolutely correct about the training aspect, but possibility of
receiving training in my FireFly is zero. That is why in my previous post
that I state to go to altitude and practice. I suspect the 150 manual says
not to combine the slip and flap because the fuselage will blank or disturb
the air flow to the trailing wing. This is not a problem on a FireFly.
That is why altitude is important practice things before you try them close
to the ground.
I am very much apposed to very light aircraft low energy, low stabilized,
approach angle landings. If the engine coughs you can not make the field.
If you are approaching into the wind to a raised runway, the air flow off
the end of the runway will drop you into the approach if you try to land on
the end of the runway. In the summer time there is always a thermal over an
asphalt runway, which means you must fly through high sink just before
reaching the runway. A steeper approach angle and higher approach speed
gives the pilot more options due to more responsive controls and the ability
to penetrate through some of these
traps.
Lighter aircraft are more subject to the natural thermal and wind phenomena.
Heavier higher powered aircraft can penetrate better as their stall speeds
are high in relation to going on in the atmosphere. This is probably why
pilot training does not include spins. Anyone who is going to fly a very
light aircraft should be experienced with stalls and spins. The first spin
I did in the FireFly took my breath away, as I was not used to a pusher. I
felt like I was standing on my feet looking straight down. By practicing
stalls and spins in my FireFly, I found out that it complains or warns me
before the event takes place. Now I can heed the warnings and keep my self
out of an emergency.
My apologies, you struck a cord. I hate seeing good equipment rolled into a
ball. Remember when flying slow, altitude is your friend and when flying
low, speed is your friend. Fly safe.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb short landing technique question |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote:
>
>
> You are absolutely correct about the training aspect, but possibility of
> receiving training in my FireFly is zero. That is why in my previous post
> that I state to go to altitude and practice. I suspect the 150 manual says
> not to combine the slip and flap because the fuselage will blank or disturb
> the air flow to the trailing wing. This is not a problem on a FireFly.
> That is why altitude is important practice things before you try them close
> to the ground.
>
Just FWIW,
The 150 has no advisories about slipping with flaps - it's the 172 that has the
placard "avoid slips with flaps" on the panel. And the only consequence there
was during the initial flight testing of the 172, some buffeting was found to
sometimes occur against the elevator that could spook the pilot (I've done a
max-effort slip with the flaps out in a 172, tho, and didn't experience a buffet
that particular time).
Somehow, tho, this particular case somehow got extrapolated into a restriction
that applies to everything with flaps that flies through the air. The "no slips
with flaps" thing is now a legendary argument in general aviation and truly
ugly, bloody jousts continue to be fought over the myths and legends on aviation
newsgroups around the world.
But the facts as best I can determine as to the origin of the mythology of slipping
with flaps are as follows:
- it all started with the placard in the 172
- slipping with flaps is NOT dangerous in the 172, can only be spooky and disconcerting.
- slipping with flaps is NOT prohibited in ALL airplanes with flaps. Many, in fact
most, slip just fine with the flaps deployed (i.e. my titan slips no problem
with full flaps).
So please, no slips-with-flaps fights on the kolb list. BTDT! ;)
LS
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Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Another BRS SAVE !!! Here is a guy alive today because he.. |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
This was not a Kolb, it was a Titan, which is a very good experimental airplane
in which the pilot was saved by a BRS. The failure was due to fabric on this
plane. Many will say that checking the fabric would have prevented this accident,
which is true. The more important lesson to be learned here is that experimental
airplanes are very complicated machines, you can NOT inspect everything
all the time. You can not inspect many welds, or metal parts that can and
do fail. Many totally unforeseen things can and do happen with experimental
airplanes, they are not Cessnas and Pipers, we should never forget this. A BRS
is a really good thing to have on an experimental airplane that may well save
your life one day.
http://www.ultralightsquadron.org/Documents/ultralog_200901.pdf
Mike
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have !!!
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| From: | Blumax008(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Another BRS SAVE !!! Here is a guy alive today because |
he..
In a message dated 4/22/2009 1:35:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes:
Many totally unforeseen things can and do happen with experimental
airplanes, they are not Cessnas and Pipers, we should never forget this. A BRS
is
a really good thing to have on an experimental airplane that may well save
your life one day.
Since when were Cessnas & Pipers safe airplanes? I've owned a Cessna 404
for cargo, a friend owned a Cessna 421 for pleasure & both were the most
underpowered pieces of dangerous crap we've ever flown. We were lucky &
learned a big lesson...twin Cessnas & Pipers are not safe airplanes. Ultralights
are if you use common sense. Since 2004 there have been twelve (12) fatal
accidents in 421s alone.
As for a BRS, I've been flying ultralights since 1978 & never used one &
never needed one. I'm 60 years of age & if I go tomorrow nobody will give a
crap including me....nobody but my insurance company that is. The money
I've saved in purchasing one & buying repacks has been phenominal for over 30
years. Those thousands of dollars saved have bought me a hell of a lot more
flying time.
Another little tidbit for all you lifesavers...I've died before...it ain't
no big deal. I drowned when I was a kid & was underwater for over 20
minutes. Clinically dead. What was it like? Being dead is like you were before
you were born. There it is...for all you religious freaks to ponder on.
Like the old saying goes...Don't smoke, don't drink, don't chase women,
live an extra two years & die anyway.
**************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Let me add one thing to this thread.
??????????????????????????? The most effective change I made to effect shorter
landings was to decrease engine idle speed to less than 1800 rpm( that was with
a 3 blade IVO ),on the 503 with a b box,2.58/1.
? G Aman Former FS 2 driver
-----Original Message-----
From: lucien <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 9:22 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Dumb short short landing technique question
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> The advantage of this method is that you are never anywhere close to stall
> speed. >>
>
> Hi
> How do you know?. If you are slipping your ASI is probably useless as the
> airflow will be across the pitot. The airflow will be sideways along the
> wing as well and therefore not giving as much lift as you perhaps expect.
> With so little side area is it worth sideslipping anyway? In my Challenger
> she would slip like a banshee and fall out of the sky, but I always kept the
> speed up but with the Kolb it doesn`t seem to make mush difference.
> Maybe I should do some serious measurements >The vario should work correctly
> ??
>
> Pat
Well remember, stall is determined by angle of attack, not airspeed. This is why
we can still fly an airplane in a slip or without an working ASI - you still
have to practice AoA maintenance to avoid a stall in a slip also just like at
other times.
So I'd say Jack is right. The forward slip is a good way to add drag for
steepening a descent without building up too much airspeed (a poor man's flaps).
But I will agree that slips in the Kolb don't add a whole bunch more drag like
they do in some other planes. I slipped my FS II a bunch but didn't find it to
really steepen the descent that much. But it did work so I used it in the rare
event I was actually too high on final.
If you really want drag, install a C box and the rk-400 clutch. Talk about
flaps..... the windmilling prop when you back down to idle is like deploying
the BRS, you come down and steep too...... ;)
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | russ kinne <Russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: F-15 Accident |
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| Subject: | Re: Another BRS SAVE !!! Here is a guy alive today because |
he..
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Blumax008(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Like the old saying goes...Don't smoke, don't drink, don't chase women, live
an extra two years & die anyway.
> Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!
>
Interesting take on life... I am not 60 yet but most definitely want to get there
and beyond !
How about Smoking, Drinking, Chasing women, flying ultralights, riding motorcycles,
AND live the extra two years ;) Thats my goal !
Mike
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have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Remember...an airplane will fly slower under power than without power....
chris ambrose
m3x-jab
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
> Remember...an airplane will fly slower under power than without power....
>
> chris ambrose
> m3x-jab
Chris=2C
While that point may be true in flight=2C it ceases to work once you've
touched down.
I faster spinning prop will not help to slow down quicker than a slow spinn
ing prop. (unless=2C of course=2C you have beta mode)
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
....I'm sorry...I thought we were slowing the plane down in the air to land...yes
..when you are on the ground,pull the throtle back..
chris ambrose
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short landing technique question |
> The first spin
>I did in the FireFly took my breath away, as I was not used to a pusher. I
>felt like I was standing on my feet looking straight down.
>(snip)
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Winchester, IN
>===========================================================
YeeeHaaaa
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| From: | "Jack Day" <jwdfly16(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short landing technique question |
STAN!!!!!!!!
You know that there are no one, execpt possums that do that!!!!
You do not have my jacket ,I have one. JACK DANIALS!!!
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From: "possums" <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Dumb short landing technique question
>
>
>> The first spin
>>I did in the FireFly took my breath away, as I was not used to a pusher.
>>I
>>felt like I was standing on my feet looking straight down.
>>(snip)
>>Jack B. Hart FF004
>>Winchester, IN
>>===========================================================
>
> YeeeHaaaa
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7008845811094869981
>
>
>
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| From: | "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short landing technique question |
MK111c slips fine with flaps . It is a very controlled decent ,not difficult
to do ,dumps height real good , you can point a wing tip at the point you
wish to be on the ground and go for it { well almost}, lots of fun and not
difficult .
Tony
Downunder
MK111c
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:03 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Dumb short landing technique question
>
>
> jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote:
>>
>>
>> You are absolutely correct about the training aspect, but possibility of
>> receiving training in my FireFly is zero. That is why in my previous post
>> that I state to go to altitude and practice. I suspect the 150 manual
>> says
>> not to combine the slip and flap because the fuselage will blank or
>> disturb
>> the air flow to the trailing wing. This is not a problem on a FireFly.
>> That is why altitude is important practice things before you try them
>> close
>> to the ground.
>>
>
>
> Just FWIW,
>
> The 150 has no advisories about slipping with flaps - it's the 172 that
> has the placard "avoid slips with flaps" on the panel. And the only
> consequence there was during the initial flight testing of the 172, some
> buffeting was found to sometimes occur against the elevator that could
> spook the pilot (I've done a max-effort slip with the flaps out in a 172,
> tho, and didn't experience a buffet that particular time).
>
> Somehow, tho, this particular case somehow got extrapolated into a
> restriction that applies to everything with flaps that flies through the
> air. The "no slips with flaps" thing is now a legendary argument in
> general aviation and truly ugly, bloody jousts continue to be fought over
> the myths and legends on aviation newsgroups around the world.
>
> But the facts as best I can determine as to the origin of the mythology of
> slipping with flaps are as follows:
> - it all started with the placard in the 172
> - slipping with flaps is NOT dangerous in the 172, can only be spooky and
> disconcerting.
> - slipping with flaps is NOT prohibited in ALL airplanes with flaps. Many,
> in fact most, slip just fine with the flaps deployed (i.e. my titan slips
> no problem with full flaps).
>
> So please, no slips-with-flaps fights on the kolb list. BTDT! ;)
>
> LS
>
> --------
> LS
> Titan II SS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240736#240736
>
>
>
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another BRS SAVE !!! Here is a guy alive today because |
he..
The failure was due to fabric on this plane. >>
Talking to a local Inspector. He had failed 2 ulralights over the weekend
for dodgy fabric.
A lot of planes in the UK were built in the first flush of enthusiasm and
are all growing old together. Perhaps fabric failure is something to look
out for especially.
The trouble is that some of these older machines may not be considered worth
the money for a recover and they will just be put in the back of the barn
and forgotten. Anything which reduces the fleet reduces the power of any
argument we may have with authority.
Just a thought
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
The important thing is to
> keep the power off so that one can steepen the descent. >>
If you haven`t got the throttle closed what is the point of slipping? The
easiest way to lose height is close the throttle.Slipping, Falling leaves
etc come next.
Who ever made the comment about long controlled approaches was dead right.
If you lose the engine in that position you have no options. Fly to the
point ,and height, where you have the field made with no power and then
close the throttle to idle. If you are too close then slip.
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
This is why we can still fly an airplane in a slip or without an working
ASI - you still have to practice AoA maintenance to avoid a stall in a slip
also just like at other times.>>
Hi Lucien,
quite right of course but part of my comment was that you are not generating
the lift which you might expect because the air is not flowing straight from
the leading to trailing edge but is taking a diagonal path across the wing.
Of course it can be done but it just needs watching, and practicing.
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
Am I assuming correctly,that a vario is a rate of climb or descent?
instrument?>>
Yes. Sorry, its short for variometer which is what glider pilots call it
and thats where I started.
They are usually much more sensitive than the usual climb and descent
instrument used in power planes, They will register if you walk upstairs
with one in your hand.
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
The military-quality GPS's will also do that when you walk up a
flight of stairs. Tells you you're now 10' higher! -<
Hi Russ,
My small GPS says that it shows flight if 3D but i have never got it to
work yet. Its very old and I know the the cheapos they offer for
orienteering etc.these days all give heights.
Of course the US military is going to switch all the sattelites off
without warning one of these days and we shall all crash. Scareee!
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Another BRS SAVE !!! Here is a guy alive today because |
he..
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
Mike, one thing I can say about the Kolb line of experimental aircraft is that
many things can be inspected on these aircraft as most if it is out in the open.
Another fact about all slow flying aircraft is there is less load on them which
equates into less wear on bolts which makes them last longer. I know of many
Quicksilver GT-400's that have lasted for many years and they are built with
a lot of bolts, unlike the Kolb's that are riveted together. The only bolts
and clevis pins I've replaced on my Firestar are the flight controls and the
wing clevis pins. I hardly detected any wear when I replaced them after many years
of flying.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
I have slipped the Kolbra with full flaperons and taken off with full flaperons.
I did this just yesterday with my heavy son onboard. I'm still debating whether
the full flaps makes for a shorter takeoff. There is a lot more drag and slows
it down, although full flaperons on the Kolbra are like one notch on regular
aircraft. I need to experiment more. I took my neighbor for a ride and he
is a good 230 lbs. The Kolbra took awhile to get airborne, but it did climb ok
on 80 hp.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
It's not the GPS that keeps me aloft! -- I devoutly hope.
On Apr 23, 2009, at 9:12 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
> The military-quality GPS's will also do that when you walk up a
> flight of stairs. Tells you you're now 10' higher! -<
>
> Hi Russ,
> My small GPS says that it shows flight if 3D but i have never got
> it to work yet. Its very old and I know the the cheapos they offer
> for orienteering etc.these days all give heights.
> Of course the US military is going to switch all the sattelites off
> without warning one of these days and we shall all crash. Scareee!
>
> Pat
>
>
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
I carry two GPS's and two sets of batteries...:-) Herb
At 11:36 AM 4/23/2009, you wrote:
>It's not the GPS that keeps me aloft! -- I devoutly hope.
>
>
>On Apr 23, 2009, at 9:12 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
>>The military-quality GPS's will also do that when you walk up a
>>flight of stairs. Tells you you're now 10' higher! -<
>>
>>Hi Russ,
>> My small GPS says that it shows flight if 3D but i have never got
>> it to work yet. Its very old and I know the the cheapos they offer
>> for orienteering etc.these days all give heights.
>>Of course the US military is going to switch all the sattelites off
>>without warning one of these days and we shall all crash. Scareee!
>>
>>Pat
>>
>>
>>
>><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>04/23/09 06:30:00
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
Sorry list, that was supposed to be off-list
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Ralph B wrote:
>
> I need to experiment more. I took my neighbor for a ride and he is a good 230
lbs. The Kolbra took awhile to get airborne, but it did climb ok on 80 hp.
>
> Ralph
How much do you weigh Ralph ? Do you put the passenger in the back seat ? That
is a very good load for 80 HP. My Kolb can lift heavy weights just fine, me
and a heavy passenger. For me the biggest problem with a heavy passenger is
the nose down trim I get from it, my limit is running out of up elevator long
before the weight itself becomes an issue. I guess in your Kolb the passenger
is closer to the CG, do you get much of a trim change ?
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Thread was SLIPS
Ralph's comment about carrying a heavy passenger prompts me to ask about the size
(sq. ft) of the standard MKIII and Kolbra wings. The reason I ask is that I've
flown our RANS S6-S (155.25 sq ft wing) at MTOW of 1200 lb with a 280 lb passenger
and light fuel. I weight about 215, so there is a lot of human carcass
aboard in this configuration. This comes to a wing loading of 7.73 lb/sqft wing
loading and 15 lb/hp for my 80hp 912.
At our low elevation and generally cool climate the performance at MTOW is adequate.
Not enough power for that weight in the Rockies. Most of the time I fly
solo with more fuel at about 950 lbs TOW which comes to only 6.12 lb/sqft and
11.88 lb/hp. with great performance.
Just curious about MkIII and Kolbra wings for comparison.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/sportpilot-cfi
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
- Richard Pike- First, how is Ed doing?- Was he wearing a four point be
lt, or a six point?- The cage collapsed almost exactly like mine.- I wa
s only wearing a lap belt, and that was probably what broke my pelvis.- I
can see shoulder straps in the photos.- Also, what broke Ed's leg- the n
ose cone?- I had marks on my shins from the cone, but no breaks.
- Any damage to the main engine mount tube?- I can't tell from the phot
os.
-
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--------------------- Bill Sulliv
an
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--------------------- Windsor Loc
ks, Ct.
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----------------------FS 447
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| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
JetPilot wrote:
>
> Ralph B wrote:
> >
> > I need to experiment more. I took my neighbor for a ride and he is a good
230 lbs. The Kolbra took awhile to get airborne, but it did climb ok on 80 hp.
> >
> > Ralph
>
>
> How much do you weigh Ralph ? Do you put the passenger in the back seat ? That
is a very good load for 80 HP. My Kolb can lift heavy weights just fine, me
and a heavy passenger. For me the biggest problem with a heavy passenger is
the nose down trim I get from it, my limit is running out of up elevator long
before the weight itself becomes an issue. I guess in your Kolb the passenger
is closer to the CG, do you get much of a trim change ?
>
> Mike
Mike, I weigh 200 lbs and the passenger is in the back seat. I have an manual adjustable
trim on the elevator and a motorized adjustable bungee on the stick,
but I didn't adjust the manual trim for this heavy passenger and held a little
"back stick" as I ran out of trim adjustment on the bungee trim. I didn't have
a problem on landing as there was plenty of "up elevator". It happened to be
a turbulent day and the extra weight smoothed things out. I commented to the
passenger that if I had been flying the Firestar, I would be all over the sky.
The rear passenger space is limited, so anyone over 230 lbs may not be able
to get back there.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
russ(at)rkiphoto.com wrote:
> Sorry list, that was supposed to be off-list
Any post you make can be edited or deleted after you send it by clicking the icons
on the right hand side. There have been many times I've sent something out
and needed to make a correction. I click on "edit", make the change, and it appears
as if I had sent it correctly the first time in the same post.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
Jack Hart-- I am doing some planning, prior to purchasing a lot of Poly F
iber materials.- As weight was one of your considerations when you built
your Firefly, what did you select for materials, how many layers, etc.?-
Your web site is rather vague on it.- As it stands right now, I think I w
ill go with the Piper Trainer Blue as recommended in the book, but I would
like all the advice I can get.-
- Also, has anyone tried a Wagner electric sprayer for Poly Tone?- The
two manuals seem to go either way.- I am a "dip it and drip it" painter.
- If it drips, it probably won't rust.
-
-------------------------
---------------------- Bill Sul
livan
-------------------------
---------------------- Windsor
Locks, Ct.
-------------------------
---------------------- FS 447
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| Subject: | 503 low =?ISO-8859-1?Q?CHT=99s?= dilemma! |
| From: | "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com> |
I have a puzzler for all you 503 2-stroke guys with a lot more experience with
these engines than I. I have a Kolb MkII with a 503 DCDI with 317 hrs. I bought
the plane a couple of years ago with 180 hrs on it and entered the 2-stroke
world. The engine has always ran excellent for me. I attended a repairmen-inspection
coarse a couple of months ago where I complained to the instructor (Brian
Carpenter) that my CHTs where very low and rarely reached 200 F. He said my
EIS was probably not working right so this past week I have I set out to get
to the bottom of it.
ENGINE DATA
Fuel.fresh reg unleaded.
Oil... premix with Penn Outdoor Engine Oil 50.1
PlugsOld plugs not fouled but a little darker than I would like. Installed new
plugs.
CarbEverything is stock. Main jet 155 as per Rotax chart for 3,000 msl at 70* 2.74
Needle Jets with 8L2 Jet Needles. Needle clip in the top slot. Rubber
O-ring on top of clips is installed.
GaugesEIS digital system with duel CHTs and EGTs.
Compression....127 and 123
Prop....66" two blade warp drive.
Before tinkering with the engine, on 70 degree day at 3,000 msl, climbout CHTs
were running about 180. EGTs about 1100. Cruise at 5000 rpm was 170 and 1000.
First, I ran a static test. At full throttle, RPMs came up to 6800 and started
to go over until I backed off. Great! I found the problem! Under propped.
I added a little pitch to my 66 warp drive ground adjustable prop and static tested
again. This time RPM was 6200 at full throttle. I thought this would surely
bring those CHTs up. It did, all the way to 200. My EGTs were running 1050.
By the way, OAT was 80 and I ran full throttle for at least 8 minutes until the
CHTs leveled off and would not climb any more. I thought surely my EIS CHTs
was giving me the wrong reading as Brian Carpenter had suggested.
Next morning, I borrowed a fancy infrared digital temperature gauge, the kind that
you point and pull the trigger and put the red dot just where you want to
know the temp. I tied up the plane and before I started up, I turned on the master
switch and looked at my EIS. CHTs were both 73*. EGTs were both 73*. OAT
at this time was about 78*. I shot the cyl head as close to the spark plug as
I could get with the fancy borrowed handheld infrared temp gauge and it red 73*.
Hmmm. I started up and warmed the engine up gradually. When the CHTs finally
reached and leveled off at 200, I idled back and let it cool down a little to
180* then killed the engine. I jumped out and checked the cylinder head with
the fancy gauge and it read 188*. I checked and rechecked running back and forth
from cyl head to EIS for at least an hr and came to the conclusion my EIS
was reading the same as the handheld probe, or at least within 10 degrees.I also
ran the engine at 5,000 RPM to check the mid-range. CHTs would back off to
180 and EGTs would run about 950* (clip is in the uppermost position on the needle)..I
decided the EIS gauges were good.
I decided then to try a smaller main jet. I took out the 155s and put in 150s.
(I did not have 152s). I tested again and topped out at 230* CHT and 1150* EGT
at full throttle. RPMs were 6300 instead of 6200. At 5000 rpm, CHTs cooled down
to 200* and EGTs were at 1000*.
I feel the need to have my CHTs in the 300-375 range. Im also reluctant to try
smaller jets as Ive been preached at to stay as close to stock and the Rotax charts
as possible. I have ordered new needles and needle jets but the old ones
look fine. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to get the CHTs up or should
I just fly the damn thing and quit worrying about it!
Thanks in advance, Mike
--------
The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike Hillger
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 503 low CHT dilemma |
- Mike- You mentioned an "O" ring on top of the clip.- I just had mine
apart, and didn't see that "O" ring.- The parts book does show it, but do
es not indicate where it goes.- Does it go in the top #1 slot of the need
le?- This is part #831-715.
-
-------------------------
---------------- Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
-------------------------
-----------------FS 447
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Where's Jack...?? :-)
Any how...jumping in...
My experience has been that one needs to use retarder/Reducer per
the temperature on the day you are shooting the paint... if not..the
paint will dry/cob web before it hits the surface and you will have a
mess.. Also..be sure to set the fan pattern of your $29.95 paint gun
(they work just as well as the high dollar ones) . Acetone or Mek
is getting so expensive that you can just about toss the
sprayer cheaper than cleaning the bugger!! :-) Well!! not quite..!
Just shoot a piece of card board and adjust the spray
pattern sort of like an upright V with an inverted V stacked on
top... Without that your 50% overlap while spraying will be screwed
up... Be sure to maintain the same distance while moving the
sprayer back and forth...I find that I do best while rocking back and
forth from one foot to the other.. sort of a 60's dance .....:-)
Herb(still a novice)
At 07:00 AM 4/24/2009, you wrote:
>Jack Hart- I am doing some planning, prior to purchasing a lot of
>Poly Fiber materials. As weight was one of your considerations when
>you built your Firefly, what did you select for materials, how many
>layers, etc.? Your web site is rather vague on it. As it stands
>right now, I think I will go with the Piper Trainer Blue as
>recommended in the book, but I would like all the advice I can get.
> Also, has anyone tried a Wagner electric sprayer for Poly
> Tone? The two manuals seem to go either way. I am a "dip it and
> drip it" painter. If it drips, it probably won't rust.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Herb- Is that with the Wagner, or an air gun?- Will the MEK disolve t
he plastics in the gun?- I never had much luck with an air gun, but I get
along with the Wagner.
-
-------------------------
------------------ Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
------------------ Windsor Locks, Ct.
-------------------------
------------------ FS 447
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
don't bother to try that electric sprayer. You will be wasting
expensive paint.
At a minimum buy a cheapo at harbor freight. Borrow or rent a
compressor if you need more capacity.
I think they now offer a HVLP system now but don't know if it's any
good.
BB
On 24, Apr 2009, at 8:00 AM, william sullivan wrote:
> Jack Hart- I am doing some planning, prior to purchasing a lot of
> Poly Fiber materials. As weight was one of your considerations
> when you built your Firefly, what did you select for materials, how
> many layers, etc.? Your web site is rather vague on it. As it
> stands right now, I think I will go with the Piper Trainer Blue as
> recommended in the book, but I would like all the advice I can get.
> Also, has anyone tried a Wagner electric sprayer for Poly Tone?
> The two manuals seem to go either way. I am a "dip it and drip it"
> painter. If it drips, it probably won't rust.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 503 low =?ISO-8859-1?Q?CHT=99s?= dilemma! |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
ropermike wrote:
> I have a puzzler for all you 503 2-stroke guys with a lot more experience with
these engines than I. I have a Kolb MkII with a 503 DCDI with 317 hrs. I bought
the plane a couple of years ago with 180 hrs on it and entered the 2-stroke
world. The engine has always ran excellent for me. I attended a repairmen-inspection
coarse a couple of months ago where I complained to the instructor (Brian
Carpenter) that my CHTs where very low and rarely reached 200 F. He said
my EIS was probably not working right so this past week I have I set out to get
to the bottom of it.
>
> ENGINE DATA
> Fuel.fresh reg unleaded.
> Oil... premix with Penn Outdoor Engine Oil 50.1
> PlugsOld plugs not fouled but a little darker than I would like. Installed new
plugs.
> CarbEverything is stock. Main jet 155 as per Rotax chart for 3,000 msl at 70*
2.74 Needle Jets with 8L2 Jet Needles. Needle clip in the top slot. Rubber
O-ring on top of clips is installed.
> GaugesEIS digital system with duel CHTs and EGTs.
> Compression....127 and 123
> Prop....66" two blade warp drive.
>
> Before tinkering with the engine, on 70 degree day at 3,000 msl, climbout CHTs
were running about 180. EGTs about 1100. Cruise at 5000 rpm was 170 and 1000.
>
> First, I ran a static test. At full throttle, RPMs came up to 6800 and started
to go over until I backed off. Great! I found the problem! Under propped.
>
> I added a little pitch to my 66 warp drive ground adjustable prop and static
tested again. This time RPM was 6200 at full throttle. I thought this would surely
bring those CHTs up. It did, all the way to 200. My EGTs were running 1050.
By the way, OAT was 80 and I ran full throttle for at least 8 minutes until
the CHTs leveled off and would not climb any more. I thought surely my EIS CHTs
was giving me the wrong reading as Brian Carpenter had suggested.
>
> Next morning, I borrowed a fancy infrared digital temperature gauge, the kind
that you point and pull the trigger and put the red dot just where you want to
know the temp. I tied up the plane and before I started up, I turned on the
master switch and looked at my EIS. CHTs were both 73*. EGTs were both 73*. OAT
at this time was about 78*. I shot the cyl head as close to the spark plug as
I could get with the fancy borrowed handheld infrared temp gauge and it red
73*. Hmmm. I started up and warmed the engine up gradually. When the CHTs finally
reached and leveled off at 200, I idled back and let it cool down a little
to 180* then killed the engine. I jumped out and checked the cylinder head with
the fancy gauge and it read 188*. I checked and rechecked running back and
forth from cyl head to EIS for at least an hr and came to the conclusion my EIS
was reading the same as the handheld probe, or at least within 10 degrees.I
also ran the engine at 5,000 RPM to check the mid-range. CHTs would back off to
180 and EGTs would run about 950* (clip is in the uppermost position on the
needle)..I decided the EIS gauges were good.
>
> I decided then to try a smaller main jet. I took out the 155s and put in 150s.
(I did not have 152s). I tested again and topped out at 230* CHT and 1150* EGT
at full throttle. RPMs were 6300 instead of 6200. At 5000 rpm, CHTs cooled
down to 200* and EGTs were at 1000*.
>
> I feel the need to have my CHTs in the 300-375 range. Im also reluctant to try
smaller jets as Ive been preached at to stay as close to stock and the Rotax
charts as possible. I have ordered new needles and needle jets but the old ones
look fine. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to get the CHTs up or should
I just fly the damn thing and quit worrying about it!
>
> Thanks in advance, Mike
Are those temps centigrade? If so, 200 would be 392F, not anomolous but pretty
close to siezure.....
You want the CHT's to be around 300F and this is generally where the 503 will run
after it's broken in with correct jetting and propping. Your EGT's and propping
sound about right, 1050 to 1150 is pretty good (I liked it 1050 to 1100).
325F is the limit of my personal comfort (but still ok) and 350F is where I land
and start looking for a problem. 375 to 400F will bring that TBO way way down
below the rated 300 hours......
So that's my WAG - you're measuring in C?
LS
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Bob- I can get the compressor.- I never used an HVLP gun.- The regu
lar Binks style is what I have used, but I may have well used a roller.-
-
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--------------- Bill Sullivan
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--------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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--------------- FS 447
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
I do not think the Wagner will do the job?? run abt 60 psi on your
sprayer.. plus sor minus... Herb
At 08:28 AM 4/24/2009, you wrote:
> Herb- Is that with the Wagner, or an air gun? Will the MEK
> disolve the plastics in the gun? I never had much luck with an air
> gun, but I get along with the Wagner.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Practice with paint thinner/brush cleaner on a cardboard box or sheet
of plywood.
The first problem to stay ahead of is the little plastic loop on the
top vent hole. Make sure that is breathing
at all times. Between uses always flush with reducer, put a couple
of inches of reducer in the cup and leave the
nozzle assembly inside when done for the day. After you are finished
with the project store it dry because it will dry out anyway.
One control screw is for total volume (trigger range) and the other
is for pattern fan.
Run at least 50 lbs. A regulator should be inline close to the gun
because a long hose will give too
much pressure drop.
If you haven't painted in over a year expect to experience another
learning cycle each time.
BB
On 24, Apr 2009, at 9:36 AM, william sullivan wrote:
> Bob- I can get the compressor. I never used an HVLP gun. The
> regular Binks style is what I have used, but I may have well used a
> roller.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
>
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| Subject: | INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Here is recent video from Florida, it was in a Skyranger, not a Kolb. This is enough
to make one think, an engine failure can happen very quickly and at anytime
!
This guy did a great job, tried to restart the engine while he had the time, which
gained him enough extra distance to make the road he did end up landing on.
Lost of luck there were no lines or traffic there, but this is a really great
video where everything worked out right.
As always with you tube, the video quality will be HORRIBLE unless you click the
" HQ " box at the bottom right of the video, and then make it full screen by
clicking the other box also on the bottom right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT58Di51wDk
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: 503 low =?ISO-8859-1?Q?CHT=99s?= dilemma! |
| From: | "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com> |
I do not have an operators manual for the EIS system but I have gone thru all the
menus and cant find any way for it to be changed to Centigrade.....I believe
it to be measuring in F because the hand held infrared temp gauge confirmed
the readings in F, it actually says F on the digital readout....I agree with your
CHT preferences.....Thanks
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Kolb-List:_503_low_CHT=99s_dilemma!? |
>Plugs: Old plugs not fouled but a little darker than I would like.
Installed new plugs.
>
>I decided then to try a smaller main jet. I took out the 155s and put in
150s. (I did not have 152s). I tested again and topped out at 230* CHT
and 1150* EGT at full throttle. RPMs were 6300 instead of 6200. At 5000
rpm, CHTs cooled down to 200* and EGTs were at 1000*.
>
>I feel the need to have my CHTs in the 300-375 range. Im also
reluctant to try smaller jets as Ive been preached at to stay as close to
stock and the Rotax charts as possible. I have ordered new needles and
needle jets but the old ones look fine. Does anyone have a suggestion as to
how to get the CHTs up or should I just fly the damn thing and quit
worrying about it!
>
Mike,
Your plugs indicate it is running rich.
You have not mentioned that you have dropped the needle to try and lean out
the mid range. I would try this and see what happens. I would not change
the main jet as you want to be able to drop the EGT with full throttle in
case the mid rpm range EGT's get too high. If dropping the needle one slot
change is too large, you can still move in the right direction by using
shims that will move the needle a quarter of a slot at one time. I used this
method on a 447 and continue to use it on my Victor 1+. I was running 1200
degrees F EGT's on the 447. How this can be done can be seen
at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly58.html
By running too rich overall, combustion temperature will go down and less
work can be obtainned. If your fuel is greater than 87 octane, change to 87
octane. It will increase the speed of combustion and produce more useable
work.
Always read your plugs until you have found the sweet spot. FWIW
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
JetPilot wrote:
> Here is recent video from Florida, it was in a Skyranger, not a Kolb. This is
enough to make one think, an engine failure can happen very quickly and at anytime
!
>
> This guy did a great job, tried to restart the engine while he had the time,
which gained him enough extra distance to make the road he did end up landing
on. Lost of luck there were no lines or traffic there, but this is a really great
video where everything worked out right.
>
> As always with you tube, the video quality will be HORRIBLE unless you click
the " HQ " box at the bottom right of the video, and then make it full screen
by clicking the other box also on the bottom right.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT58Di51wDk
>
> Mike
Eeyikes, I get nervous flying over a town that low even underneath my 912.... Glad
there was a clear highway to land on. And most glad that everyone is ok.
I'd be curious as to what caused the engine-out. Looks/sounds like a fuel starvation
even to me....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: 503 low CHT dilemma |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Bill, There is a Service Bulletin (or instruction) that covers the o-ring
installation on the jet needle. It's there to inhibit the needle from
spinning if the clip is a little loose. I have found needles almost worn in
two by this rotation. Of course if that happens the needle will drop into
the jet and really ruin your day if you happen to be in the air at that
moment, i.e. engine quits.Look on the ROAN site for the bulletin. The gist
of it is to inspect the needle and see if it will rotate in the clip. If it
does, replace the needle and the clip. The o-ring just sits on top of the
clip and is compressed by the spring cup.
Rick
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:06 AM, william sullivan
wrote:
> Mike- You mentioned an "O" ring on top of the clip. I just had mine
> apart, andthat "O" ring. The parts book does show it, but does not indicate
> where it goes. Does it go in the top #1 slot of the needle? This is part
> #831-715.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:00:50 -0700 (PDT)
>
Jack Hart- I am doing some planning, prior to purchasing a lot of Poly
Fiber materials. As weight was one of your considerations when you built
your Firefly, what did you select for materials, how many layers, etc.?
Your web site is rather vague on it. As it stands right now, I think I will
go with the Piper Trainer Blue as recommended in the book, but I would like
all the advice I can get.
>
Bill,
I brushed on the first coat of sealer, then I sprayed the second coat of
sealer on all surfaces. I sprayed two coats of aluminum on the top surfaces
of the wings and tail feathers. This was followed by two coats color and
all surfaces. The aluminum and color coats where sprayed cross hatched to
each other. Also all sprayed coats were very light.
I had never sprayed anything before. I purchased a cheapie gravity flow gun
from someone like Harbor Freight. I practiced some on the wall of my shop
and then went at it. The biggest problem is organization. Except the cage,
I hung all parts from the roof truss. This let me spray on to vertical
surfaces. I started spraying sealer on one side and then I would move the
part(s) over along the truss so that I could paint the opposite side, then a
wing and the second wing. Then I moved all the parts back to the starting
point. Then I dumped the gun out and blew it out with thinner and filled it
with aluminum. By this time the minimum them between coats had passed.
Sprayed the wall to bring in the aluminum and repeated the process. After
the two coats of aluminum, I did the same thing with color. From start to
finish it took around six hours.
To be able to do this I borrowed a fresh air breathing pump with a full face
mask. It had about a 40' hose. One had move in patterned way so that it
did not get tangled. I had a paint bench that would hold the gun while
filling. The biggest problem was that the leading edges of the wings were
about two feet off the floor, so I had to do a lot of knee bends.
When I finished and opened the door to let the natural light in, I was
alarmed in that the color did not look good and the fabric tension would be
best described as limp. In disappointment, I went to the house to get
cleaned up. An hour or so later I went back down to the shop and discovered
things were looking better. Two days later it looked great. By spraying
multiple coats in quick succession the solvents could not vent from the wing
interior. They worked on the Dacron and turned it into a limp dish rag.
But as the solvents perked out and the paint cured, the Dacron tightened up
and the color lightened to what I thought I had purchased.
I ended up with some runs, and I know where they are. Fly-in crowds will
look it over and then they will ask, if I built it. I say "yes", and they
do not mention the runs. Next question is "How does it fly?", and of course
I say "great".
Hope this helps.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Jack- Did you use Poly Tone or Aerothene?- You ought to write all tha
t up for your web site.- Thanks.
-
-------------------------
---------------- Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
-------------------------
---------------- FS 447
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
At 07:51 AM 4/24/2009, william sullivan wrote:
> Richard Pike- First, how is Ed doing? Was he wearing a four point
> belt, or a six point? The cage collapsed almost exactly like mine. I
> was only wearing a lap belt, and that was probably what broke my
> pelvis. I can see shoulder straps in the photos. Also, what broke Ed's
> leg- the nose cone? I had marks on my shins from the cone, but no breaks.
Sounds like a common result. When my friends crashed in the MKIII, the
results were broken legs, ankle, and pelvis. Of course, they went in
straighter and harder than you or Ed did.
-Dana
--
It did what? Well, it's not supposed to do that.
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:46:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
>
Jack- Did you use Poly Tone or Aerothene? You ought to write all that up for
your web site. Thanks.
>
Poly Tone
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: 503 low CHT dilemma |
| From: | "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com> |
My jet needle has 4 slots. The o-ring goes in the top slot.
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| Subject: | Re: 503 low =?ISO-8859-1?Q?CHT=99s?= dilemma! |
| From: | "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com> |
Jack, thanks for the reply. My clip is already in the top slot. Even with the 150
main jets, my EGT's come down about 100 degrees when I go from full throttle
to 5000 rpms. I'm burning fresh 87 octaine car gas.
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| Subject: | Re: 503 low =?ISO-8859-1?Q?CHT=99s?= dilemma! |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
ropermike wrote:
> Jack, thanks for the reply. My clip is already in the top slot. Even with the
150 main jets, my EGT's come down about 100 degrees when I go from full throttle
to 5000 rpms. I'm burning fresh 87 octaine car gas.
Er, is the engine putting out full power? I just can't see how the CHT's can stay
that low at 40 to 50 hp output, that's just physically impossible even if the
OAT is 0F.
I flew my FS II on near years day here one year at it was 11F - I still managed
about 280F CHT's at cruise rpm's of 5500.....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
lucien wrote:
>
> Eeyikes, I get nervous flying over a town that low even underneath my 912....
Glad there was a clear highway to land on. And most glad that everyone is ok.
>
> I'd be curious as to what caused the engine-out. Looks/sounds like a fuel starvation
even to me....
>
> LS
I'm with you on both counts Lucien. I have never flown my Kolb over Miami or any
of its suburbs, I just wont fly were the only landing option is on top of someones
roof. ( Roads are not an option, we have constant traffic here, 24/7
).
It does sound like the carb bowl ran dry, and started to fill up a after each the
engine had been stopped for a bit, and then run dry again upon restart. At
the end of the video you can hear his Electric Facet Pump is running as he
is shutting everything down [Shocked]
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: 503 low =?ISO-8859-1?Q?CHT=99s?= dilemma! |
| From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
Try putting your CHT sender in a can of boiling water and see what reading you
get.
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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| Subject: | Re: utf-8?Q?Re:__Kolb-List:_503_low_CHT=C3=A2=C2=C2=99s_dilemma!? |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Mike,
=C2- What puzzles me is why your full throttle egts are higher than crui
se egts.At full throttle you should be seeing egts under 1100.=C2- =C2
-=C2- Does the carb slide move all the way up at full throttle? It sho
uld be clear of the bore by about 1/4 inch so that last bit of travel does
nothing but pull the needle out to its richest position.A lightly loaded
prop should make the chts low but the egts higher.
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
My 503 ran 500 hrs and only saw 300 cht once or twice.
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Good luck G.A
man
-----Original Message-----
From: ropermike <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 8:12 am
Subject: Kolb-List: 503 low CHT=C3=A2=C2=C2=99s dilemma!
I have a puzzler for all you 503 2-stroke guys with a lot more experience
with
these engines than I. I have a Kolb MkII with a 503 DCDI with 317 hrs. I
bought
the plane a couple of years ago with 180 hrs on it and entered the 2-strok
e
world. The engine has always ran excellent for me. I attended a
repairmen-inspection coarse a couple of months ago where I complained to
the
instructor (Brian Carpenter) that my CHT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s where ve
ry low and rarely reached
200 F. He said my EIS was probably not working right so this past week I
have I
set out to get to the bottom of it.
ENGINE DAT
A
Fuel=C3=A2=82=AC=C2.fresh reg unleaded.
Oil=C3=A2=82=AC=C2... premix with Penn Outdoor Engine Oil 50.1
Plugs=C3=A2=82=AC=C2Old plugs not fouled but a little darker than I
would like. Installed
new plugs.
Carb=C3=A2=82=AC=C2Everything is stock. Main jet 155 as per Rotax ch
art for 3,000 msl at
70*=C3=A2=82=AC=C2 2.74 Needle Jets with 8L2 Jet Needles. Needl
e clip in the top slot.
Rubber O-ring on top of clips is installed.
Gauges=C3=A2=82=AC=C2EIS digital system with duel CHT=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2s and EGT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s.
Compression....127 and 123
Prop....66" two blade warp drive.
Before tinkering with the engine, on 70 degree day at 3,000=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2 msl, climbout
CHT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s were running about 180. EGT=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2s about 1100. Cruise at 5000 rpm was 170
and 1000.
First, I ran a static test. At full throttle, RPM=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s
came up to 6800 and
started to go over until I backed off. Great! I found the problem! Under
propped.
I added a little pitch to my 66=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D warp drive ground adj
ustable prop and static
tested again. This time RPM was 6200 at full throttle. I thought this woul
d
surely bring those CHT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s up. It did, all the way to
200. My EGT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s were
running 1050. By the way, OAT was 80 and I ran full throttle for at least
8
minutes until the CHT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s leveled off and would not
climb any more. I thought
surely my EIS CHT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s=2
0was giving me the wrong reading as Brian Carpenter had
suggested.
Next morning, I borrowed a fancy infrared digital temperature gauge, the
kind
that you point and pull the trigger and put the red dot just where you wan
t to
know the temp. I tied up the plane and before I started up, I turned on th
e
master switch and looked at my EIS. CHT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s were both
73*. EGT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s were both
73*. OAT at this time was about 78*. I shot the cyl head as close to the
spark
plug as I could get with the fancy borrowed handheld infrared temp gauge
and it
red 73*. Hmmm. I started up and warmed the engine up gradually. When the
CHT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s
finally reached and leveled off at 200, I idled back and let it cool down
a
little to 180* then killed the engine. I jumped out and checked the cylind
er
head with the fancy gauge and it read 188*. I checked and rechecked runnin
g back
and forth from cyl head to EIS for at least an hr and came to the conclusi
on my
EIS was reading the same as the handheld probe, or at least within 10
degrees=C3=A2=82=AC=C2.I also ran the engine at 5,000 RPM to check
the mid-range. CHT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s
would back off to 180 and EGT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s would run about 950
* (clip is in the uppermost
position on the needle)=C3=A2=82=AC=C2..I decided the EIS gauges wer
e good.
I decided then to try a smaller main jet. I took out the 155=C3=A2=82
=AC=84=A2s and put in
150=C3=A2=82=AC
s. (I did not have 152=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s). I tested again and toppe
d out at 230* CHT and
1150* EGT at full throttle. RPM=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s were 6300 instead
of 6200. At 5000 rpm,
CHT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s cooled down to 200* and EGT=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2s were at 1000*.
I feel the need to have my CHT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s in the 300-375 ran
ge. I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m also reluctant to
try smaller jets as I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ve been preached at to stay
as close to stock and the
Rotax charts as possible. I have ordered new needles and needle jets but
the old
ones look fine. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to get the CHT=C3
=A2=82=AC=84=A2s up or
should I just fly the damn thing and quit worrying about it!
Thanks in advance, Mike
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Kolb-List:_503_low_CHT=99s_dilemma!? |
>
>Jack, thanks for the reply. My clip is already in the top slot.
>
In this case, you may want to change the needle jet one step smaller. It is
not expensive item.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: 503 low =?ISO-8859-1?Q?CHT=C3=A2=C2=C2=99s?= dilemma! |
| From: | "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com> |
I dont understand it either! I do have new needles and needle jets coming. Maybe
that will make a difference. I will check on the carb slide travel to make
sure I'm getting fulll throttle in the morning. Thanks for the help, Mike
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| Subject: | Re: 503 low =?ISO-8859-1?Q?CHT=99s?= dilemma! |
| From: | "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com> |
I will order two in the morning. Thanks Jack.
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Bill,
One other thought. At my old EAA chapter in south east Missouri some
builders used polytone through the first sealing coat and then finished out
the rest with latex paint. Most used rollers of various sizes and came up
with very attractive color combinations. They claimed good cost savings.
No air compressor or gun. Did not have to work with a mask, and latex clean
up was water. For UV protection they used black latex on the upper
surfaces.
All of my FireFly fairings are covered with a Dacron party dress material,
organza. It is glued to the surface with red house latex paint. I ran some
tests, and discovered that after curing three days that when I tried to peal
the organza from the underlying foam, the failure occurred in the foam.
Before that time, the organza would peel from, up, and through the latex.
FWIW
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
Eeyikes, I get nervous flying over a town that low even underneath my 912>>
Are you allowed to do that?
Here we have had a rule about flying closer than a certain distance from any
collection of people or overflying villages/towns etc.
That has been removed just recently but the rule about keeping in a position
so that you can glide clear of any conurbation still stands. This is
generasl aviation rule not just microlights
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dumb short short landing technique question |
It's not the GPS that keeps me aloft! -- I devoutly hope.>>
Hi Russ,
there are a lot of people around who rely utterly on the electronic
gizmos, never draw a line on a map. Airliners don`t look where they are
going....If the Satellites get switched off, or displaced by a few miles
in the case of a long range rocket attack we shall all
die....doom...doom, the end is nigh!
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
The rule in the USA is stated in the FAR Part 91.119 as follows:
91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General.
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft
below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing
without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement,
or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the
highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface,
except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft
may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or
structure.
(d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed
in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without
hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating
a helicopter shall comply with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed
for helicopters by the
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/sportpilot-cfi
http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
At 04:10 AM 4/25/2009, pj.ladd wrote:
>Eeyikes, I get nervous flying over a town that low even underneath my 912>>
>
>Are you allowed to do that?
>
>Here we have had a rule about flying closer than a certain distance from
>any collection of people or overflying villages/towns etc.
Here (for registered aircraft) it's 500' away from any person, vessel, or
structure when over sparsely populated areas, or 1000' high over congested
areas. There is an "except while taking off or landing" clause in there,
and in one of the reports of the Florida incident I think I heard that they
had just taken off. Also at one point in the video the passenger asks,
"can you make it back?" so I assume he meant the airport they had just
taken off from.
Ultralights can't fly over a "congested area" or "assembly of persons" at
any altitude, but other than that there is no minimum altitude or distance.
-Dana
--
1200 bps used to seem so fast!
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- I have read the manuals- short and long version- and found the referenc
e to the electric spray gun.- I happen to have one, and that's why I aske
d.--I have needed a compressor for quite a while anyway, so I may as we
ll get one.- Anybody have any comments as to the actual, practical differ
ences between gun types?- HVLP vs. conventional?- I never used an HVLP.
- Also, I am looking for anyone's pet tips on the covering process.- I
have done about 5 patches on Aerothane, and I have been practicing on an ex
tra aileron.- The only things the manual is kind of vague on is working t
he material on tight corners- like the trailing edge corner of the aileron.
- Any hints appreciated.
- Also, what is a good way to remove Aerothane from metal parts, like hin
ges?- Wire brush?- I do not think heat would be appropriate.- Or woul
d Poly Tone paint right over it?
-
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-------------------------
Bill Sullivan
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Windsor Locks, Ct.
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FS 447
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Here is what I found while rebuilding the Bing 54:
Lots of caked in goo.- The choke seal was completely missing.- No "O" r
ing on the needle.- The needle was installed with the snap ring on top of
the plastic cup, instead of under it.- No equalizer tube- I installed on
e.- Scott's tip on his web site about removing and installing the two spr
ings was a great help- it takes all the work out of it.-
- Apparently the carb problems were the cause of the poor running at idle
- the same problem I had last year.- Runs smooth, and will come off idle
without hesitation.- Just a little shudder at an idle, now and then.- A
lmost no smoke- it would smoke at an idle before.- All numbers in the car
b are correct, per the chart.- This unit is the easiest carb I've been in
to- even easier than a Carter YO, and far different from a Rochester.-
- Thanks for all the help.
-
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----------------------- Bill
Sullivan
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----------------------- Winds
or Locks, Ct.
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----------------------- FS 44
7
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| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
Dana wrote:
>
At 04:10 AM 4/25/2009
> Ultralights can't fly over a "congested area" or "assembly of persons" at
> any altitude, but other than that there is no minimum altitude or distance.
>
> -Dana
Dana, ultralights must abide by GA regulation too. They are not exempt from anything
except a license to fly.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
Dana
Sorry, but I think you're wrong . ALL aircraft must obey the
altitude rules,
Russ K
On Apr 25, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Dana Hague wrote:
>
> At 04:10 AM 4/25/2009, pj.ladd wrote:
>
>> Eeyikes, I get nervous flying over a town that low even underneath
>> my 912>>
>>
>> Are you allowed to do that?
>>
>> Here we have had a rule about flying closer than a certain
>> distance from any collection of people or overflying villages/
>> towns etc.
>
> Here (for registered aircraft) it's 500' away from any person,
> vessel, or structure when over sparsely populated areas, or 1000'
> high over congested areas. There is an "except while taking off or
> landing" clause in there, and in one of the reports of the Florida
> incident I think I heard that they had just taken off. Also at one
> point in the video the passenger asks, "can you make it back?" so I
> assume he meant the airport they had just taken off from.
>
> Ultralights can't fly over a "congested area" or "assembly of
> persons" at any altitude, but other than that there is no minimum
> altitude or distance.
>
> -Dana
>
> --
> 1200 bps used to seem so fast!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
russ(at)rkiphoto.com wrote:
> Dana
> Sorry, but I think you're wrong . ALL aircraft must obey the
> altitude rules,
> Russ K
>
There are additional limitations in your op limits if you're an experimental. Some
planes are slap prohibited from flying over "densly populated areas" and near
"congested airways" period (except for takeoff and landing), such as was the
case with my FSII. This is up to the DAR who issues your op limits when you
get your AW cert.
With my FSII, I assume it had that limitation because of the 2-stroke motor, dunno.
But when I flew it here at my airport, if the tower needed me over here or over
there and that was over a densely populated area, I darn sure went over here
and over there anyway. I figure I was covered under "except takeoff and landing"
and "must follow ATC instructions" in those cases......
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
At 10:51 AM 4/25/2009, Ralph B wrote:
>Dana, ultralights must abide by GA regulation too. They are not exempt
>from anything except a license to fly.
At 11:35 AM 4/25/2009, russ kinne wrote:
>Sorry, but I think you're wrong . ALL aircraft must obey the altitude
rules,
No, Part 91 (which specifies, among other things, minimum altitude for
aircraft) does NOT apply to ultralight vehicles operated under Part 103.
=A7 91.1 Applicability. (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of
this section and =A7=A791.701 and 91.703, this part prescribes rules
governing
the operation of aircraft (other than moored balloons, kites, unmanned
rockets, and unmanned free balloons, which are governed by part 101 of this
chapter, and ultralight vehicles operated in accordance with part 103 of
this chapter) within the United States...
What this means is that Part 91 applies only to aircraft OTHER THAN
ultralights.
See also <http://www.fly-ul.com/faarules.html>, which includes a letter
from the FAA confirming that ultralights are not subject to the GA
regulations.
-Dana
--
Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate in a pile outside.
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| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Of course there is the catch all 103.9:
(a) No person may operate any ultralight vehicle in a manner that creates a
hazard to other persons or property.
And hazards, like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder.
Rick
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
> At 10:51 AM 4/25/2009, Ralph B wrote:
>
> Dana, ultralights must abide by GA regulation too. They are not exempt fr
om
> anything except a license to fly.
>
>
> At 11:35 AM 4/25/2009, russ kinne wrote:
>
> Sorry, but I think you're wrong . ALL aircraft must obey the altitude
> rules,
>
>
> No, Part 91 (which specifies, among other things, minimum altitude for
> aircraft) does NOT apply to ultralight vehicles operated under Part 103.
> =A7 91.1 Applicability. (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c)
of
> this section and =A7=A791.701 and 91.703, this part prescribes rules gove
rning
> the operation of aircraft (other than moored balloons, kites, unmanned
> rockets, and unmanned free balloons, which are governed by part 101 of th
is
> chapter, and ultralight vehicles operated in accordance with part 103 of
> this chapter) within the United States...
>
> What this means is that Part 91 applies only to aircraft OTHER THAN
> ultralights.
>
> See also <http://www.fly-ul.com/faarules.html>, which includes a letter
> from the FAA confirming that ultralights are not subject to the GA
> regulations.
>
> -Dana
>
>
> --
> Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate in a pile outside.
>
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===========
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===========
> *
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
> The fitting where the landing gear leg attaches to the axle broke, the
wheel came off, and the gear leg dug in. (Tongue in cheek comment follows:)
That was not helpful. (I WILL be talking this over with Travis) When we put
it back together, the new fitting will get gusseted. I am also planning to
gusset the fitting on my MKIII if it is similar. Fool me once, etc...
>
> Richard Pike
Just got home from Lakeland. Was sitting here drinking coffee and reading
emails when I came upon this one.
You must have missed my posts after I crashed at Muncho Lake, BC, 1 July
2000. Cause of crash: failed gear leg/axle socket.
Cure: What Brother Jim wanted to do initially and I didn't, weld the axle
socket to the steel gear leg. Been flying with the axle socket welded to
the end of the steel gear leg since rebuild. Don't need no stinking gussets
on welded .120" wall axle socket and gear leg. Works great. Wish I had
listened to my big brother.
Thoroughly tested mains and tail landing at Cedar Key, Florida, last
Tuesday.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another BRS SAVE !!! Here is a guy alive today because |
he..
The failure was due to fabric on this plane. Many will say that checking
the fabric would have prevented this accident, which is true.
>
> Mike
Did they say why the fabric failed? I didn't see the reason for failure.
Met your Dad at Lakeland. Enjoyed talking with him.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another BRS SAVE !!! Here is a guy alive today because |
he..
If you ever do need one, you'll probably scream all the way to impact,
if you aren't too scared.
john h
mkIII (Member of the Switlik Caterpillar Club twice.)
From: Blumax008(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Another BRS SAVE !!! Here is a guy alive today
because he..
As for a BRS, I've been flying ultralights since 1978 & never used
one & never needed one. I'm 60 years of age & if I go tomorrow nobody
will give a crap including me....nobody but my insurance company that
is. The money I've saved in purchasing one & buying repacks has been
phenominal for over 30 years. Those thousands of dollars saved have
bought me a hell of a lot more flying time.
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| Subject: | Re: Another BRS SAVE !!! Here is a guy alive today because |
he..
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
John, Take a close look at the amount of fabric that's there. There doesn't
seem to be enough to wrap around to the leading edge, and, there appears to
be a glue line just in front of the horizontal stabilizer spar.
Rick
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:26 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> The failure was due to fabric on this plane. Many will say that checking
> the fabric would have prevented this accident, which is true.
> >
>
>> Mike
>>
>
> Did they say why the fabric failed? I didn't see the reason for failure.
>
> Met your Dad at Lakeland. Enjoyed talking with him.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another BRS SAVE !!! Here is a guy alive today because |
he..
I hardly detected any wear when I replaced them after many years of flying.
>
> Ralph
Ralph:
Years don't wear out Kolbs, but hours of operation do. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> I havn't seen my 912 CHT's drop precipitously in a descent and the oil
temps tend to remain up too, but I still always apply power slowly when
doing TnG's (I never hammer to wide open unless it's a priority situation).
>
> LS
Do you have to be careful for shock cooling with a 912?
Mine doesn't have a cast iron liner.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
At 04:07 PM 4/25/2009, Richard Girard wrote:
>Of course there is the catch all 103.9:
>
>(a) No person may operate any ultralight vehicle in a manner that creates
>a hazard to other persons or property.
>
>And hazards, like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder.
Yes, that's even more vague than the definition of "congested area"! And
just like 91.13 ("careless or reckless operation") for GA pilots. No
matter what they violate you for, they always throw that one in for another
$1000, like the proverbial cherry on top.
-Dana
--
The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages-- as if the savages
weren't dangerous enough already.
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another BRS SAVE !!! Here is a guy alive today because |
he..
>
>
> The failure was due to fabric on this plane. Many will say that checking
>the fabric would have prevented this accident, which is true.
> >
>> Mike
>
>Did they say why the fabric failed? I didn't see the reason for failure.
>
>Met your Dad at Lakeland. Enjoyed talking with him.
>
John,
Looking at the top photo and blowing it up, it appears that the fabric did
not fail. It looks like the fabric was not lapped over the leading edge of
the horizontal stabilizer/elevator. Instead the fabric started on the
alumunium D tube just a head of the spar. One can see that the spar area is
not polished and appears to be the bonding surface. Everything ahead of
this on the D tube seems to be polished. It looks like the bond failed some
were on the top or bottom. Once an edge picked up it presurized the inside
and finished the job.
The owner told the FAA he was flying an ultralight vehicle. But after
Googling him, I found that he had mounted an HKS engine. So go
figure.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Do you have to be careful for shock cooling with a 912?
>
> Mine doesn't have a cast iron liner.
>
> john h
> mkIII
I don't worry about it myself on any engine I have, I"ve never had any problems
that I could trace to rapid cooling.
OTOH, I'm extremely careful about proper warmup before putting an engine to work.
Especially my 2-strokes that all had steel liners, if I did a long descent
say in a practice engine-out, I'd usually do a full-stop taxi back with a quick
warmup. Even doing TnG's under the 912 I apply power on the go slooowly....
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
After 7 hours of flying today (thank you, tailwind) I'm back in ATL. Despite everyone
nagging about the attendance being down I had the most fun than in 4 previous
SnF's. It was because of the people, mostly. As I pulled off the runway
upon arrival a woman comes up and offers to help push me off the flight line.
I thought that it may be Arty but, unsure so I asked if she flew in and she said
yes. I asked from where and she calmly said "Oregon". Well "Hello Arty!" I
ended up camping so close to her that I all day I heard members of the crowd
say "there's that lady" as they spotted her plane.
The Kolb factory folks took me out to a nice dinner making me feel like part of
the family. Thanks, Travis, Dennis, Bryan, and Bruce.
John H was by often looking for a drinking buddy, coffee that is. Ask him about
his ride on the Mayflower next time you see him.
Also, good talking to all of you guys from this forum and those who recognized
my FSII from youtube.
See you all soon...
--------
Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
> After 7 hours of flying today (thank you, tailwind) I'm back in ATL.
> --------
> Kip
Glad you made it home quickly and safely.
I enjoyed spending time with you at Lakeland.
I also had a great time, saw a lot of old friends and met more new ones,
even one who accused me of ordering the Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, sticker that
was on the side of my nose cone. ;-)
Every once in a while us Kolb flyers will encounter a real "a" hole. Not
very often, but I did today, when I landed for fuel in Perry, Florida. He
pulled up in front of me as I was refueling. I take joking and teasing
pretty good from folks I know, and hand out my share. But, when an arrogant
SOB comes up to me, after getting out of his little $100,000+ glass LSA and
demeaningly refers to my MKIII as a "hummer", a "bug", etc., I reach my
tolerance point in a hurry. I can assure you, after counseling him a bit,
he will think twice before he approaches another Kolb flyer at an unfamiliar
airport and make the comments he made to me about my old airplane.
I flew a little less than 900 miles in a little less than 9 hours. Not bad
for an 80 mph airplane. Was blessed with a great tailwind going and
coming.
Now it is time to get ready for Monument Valley.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
Wish I could have heard that conversation.... 8)
--------
Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
John
Are you sure it is a good idea to weld to tempered steel? My
info says that doing so is a no no...Creates a real stress
riser.... I have a buddy who welded the step back onto his Cessna
172 and the gear leg cracked and came apart with the plane sitting
parked... I know it has lasted a long time....but....fwiw.... Herb
At 04:03 PM 4/25/2009, you wrote:
>
>
> > The fitting where the landing gear leg attaches to the axle
> broke, the wheel came off, and the gear leg dug in. (Tongue in
> cheek comment follows:) That was not helpful. (I WILL be talking
> this over with Travis) When we put it back together, the new
> fitting will get gusseted. I am also planning to gusset the fitting
> on my MKIII if it is similar. Fool me once, etc...
> >
>>Richard Pike
>
>Just got home from Lakeland. Was sitting here drinking coffee and
>reading emails when I came upon this one.
>
>You must have missed my posts after I crashed at Muncho Lake, BC, 1
>July 2000. Cause of crash: failed gear leg/axle socket.
>
>Cure: What Brother Jim wanted to do initially and I didn't, weld
>the axle socket to the steel gear leg. Been flying with the axle
>socket welded to the end of the steel gear leg since
>rebuild. Don't need no stinking gussets on welded .120" wall axle
>socket and gear leg. Works great. Wish I had listened to my big brother.
>
>Thoroughly tested mains and tail landing at Cedar Key, Florida, last Tuesday.
>
>john h
>mkIII
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>04/25/09 08:29:00
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb crash yesterday |
> Are you sure it is a good idea to weld to tempered steel? Herb
>
We weld, fit, drill, then send the legs to the heat treater.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
-John , I went to sun&fun today- as I had to meet a gent from the list
Fred Kerfoot said hevwas a helicopter pilot like you ,I sold him an old Ful
l Lotus- Monofloat I had from my KXP that went well . The most disappoint
ing thing was I was to late to visit with you! I look forward to seeing you
but I was too late Travis , Dennis and my new best friend in the Kolb worl
d Brian were all very good to Becky and I. I got to get in a Firefly for th
e first time ! a little difficult for me as I dont have full control of my
feet but I got in and when I got out it was muchn smoother than the entry.
when I left there I went to the "Sky Arrow "display and got in a Skyarrow t
he only aircraft I have found with a disabled Pilots rudder control Now tha
t I know about the rigging I think Brian and I or perhaps just I can come u
p with a set of controls I can use without my feet that I can install in th
e Firefly and fly away!I may stop in Atlanta on the way home and take
an hour of instruction to see if it fits. So Sorry we didnt get to see you
. The invite is still open if you get to New England come to Chatham--M
unicipal Airport and walk over to my house and spend a while .- Chris & B
ecky Davis=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A'=0A=0A
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.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:3
2:54 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2009=0A=0A--> Kolb-List m
essage posted by: "John Hauck" =0A=0A=0A> After 7 hou
rs of flying today (thank you, tailwind) I'm back in ATL.=0A> --------=0A>
Kip=0A=0A=0AGlad you made it home quickly and safely.=0A=0AI enjoyed spendi
ng time with you at Lakeland.=0A=0AI also had a great time, saw a lot of ol
d friends and met more new ones, even one who accused me of ordering the Pr
udhoe Bay, Alaska, sticker that was on the side of my nose cone.- ;-)=0A
=0AEvery once in a while us Kolb flyers will encounter a real "a" hole.-
Not very often, but I did today, when I landed for fuel in Perry, Florida.
- He pulled up in front of me as I was refueling.- I take joking and te
asing pretty good from folks I know, and hand out my share.- But, when an
arrogant SOB comes up to me, after getting out of his little $100,000+ gla
ss LSA and demeaningly refers to my MKIII as a "hummer", a "bug", etc., I r
each my tolerance point in a hurry.- I can assure you, after counseling h
im a bit, he will think twice before he approaches another Kolb flyer at an
unfamiliar airport and make the comments he made to me about my old airpla
ne.=0A=0AI flew a little less than 900 miles in a little less than 9 hours.
- Not bad for an 80 mph airplane.- Was blessed with a great tailwind go
ing and coming.=0A=0ANow it is time to get ready for Monument Valley.=0A=0A
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
Glad to see everyone is back safely from sun-un-fun. So far this weekend it
has been interesting. Have a friend up from Mobile on his way to Florida,
stopping to pick up a passenger. They got as far as Eufaula, Alabama and
lost power. Seems it has been doing it recently. After a long two day of
searching for answers, changing fuel pumps, checking lines, filters, just
about everything under the sun, I convinced him to pull a carb, (left bank
went dead on landing). HKS on a Gull. We found a piece of rubber inside
the carb, above the float needle valve, between the barb for the fuel hose.
It was a big one, about 1/16 of an inch and didnt want to come out. A flake
of rubber. When the power was on it would stop the gas; kicking on the
elect. pump sometimes knocked it out of the way. Seen a bunch of stuff
happen but never an elusive little piece of flat rubber like that. Kept
sticking to the wall in there and sometimes you could see it, sometimes not.
Other than that, I finally got to try a new prop on my Slingshot. Jim
Holbrook sent me his new one for his 912 installation on his slingshot. I
put it on and set it and guess what? NO HARMONICS!!! I didnt even have my
helmet on and it was really quiet. I put my old one back on and wow, it is
a noisy piece of crap. back to the ole woo woo woo. Tried that piece of
tape on each blade. I put it on the worse blade and it changed the tune but
still noisy. Put it on all the blades and it was really noisy. I am going
to put Jims blade back on this morning and tie it down and wring it out to
make sure but I am positive I have found the problem. Now, after all this
and almost a year and a half of chasing the problem, I hope Warp Drive will
make good and give me some replacement blades. If not I will have to take
them off and spend a lot of money for some other blades, like Kiev. I just
had to be able to PROVE what the problem was. Now I can. I want to thank
everyone for all the help. Take care and happy sailing. Ted Cowan,
Alabama, Slingshot 912 UL
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
| From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
Oorah! The thing about "bugs" in Florida is when they bite they usually leave
a mark that stays for a few days.....maybe longer in his case!
------Original Message------
From: John Hauck
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
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Sent: Apr 25, 2009 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2009
> After 7 hours of flying today (thank you, tailwind) I'm back in ATL.
> --------
> Kip
Glad you made it home quickly and safely.
I enjoyed spending time with you at Lakeland.
I also had a great time, saw a lot of old friends and met more new ones,
even one who accused me of ordering the Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, sticker that
was on the side of my nose cone. ;-)
Every once in a while us Kolb flyers will encounter a real "a" hole. Not
very often, but I did today, when I landed for fuel in Perry, Florida. He
pulled up in front of me as I was refueling. I take joking and teasing
pretty good from folks I know, and hand out my share. But, when an arrogant
SOB comes up to me, after getting out of his little $100,000+ glass LSA and
demeaningly refers to my MKIII as a "hummer", a "bug", etc., I reach my
tolerance point in a hurry. I can assure you, after counseling him a bit,
he will think twice before he approaches another Kolb flyer at an unfamiliar
airport and make the comments he made to me about my old airplane.
I flew a little less than 900 miles in a little less than 9 hours. Not bad
for an 80 mph airplane. Was blessed with a great tailwind going and
coming.
Now it is time to get ready for Monument Valley.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
Ted
So what make and size differences are there between your prop and the prop
Jim lent you that doesn't make noise. Are the prop blades shaped
differently, are they more or less flexible, also weight?????? Are you going
to fly with the other prop to check out any performance differences?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:12 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: harmonics
>
> Glad to see everyone is back safely from sun-un-fun. So far this weekend
> it has been interesting. Have a friend up from Mobile on his way to
> Florida, stopping to pick up a passenger. They got as far as Eufaula,
> Alabama and lost power. Seems it has been doing it recently. After a
> long two day of searching for answers, changing fuel pumps, checking
> lines, filters, just about everything under the sun, I convinced him to
> pull a carb, (left bank went dead on landing). HKS on a Gull. We found a
> piece of rubber inside the carb, above the float needle valve, between the
> barb for the fuel hose. It was a big one, about 1/16 of an inch and didnt
> want to come out. A flake of rubber. When the power was on it would stop
> the gas; kicking on the elect. pump sometimes knocked it out of the way.
> Seen a bunch of stuff happen but never an elusive little piece of flat
> rubber like that. Kept sticking to the wall in there and sometimes you
> could see it, sometimes not.
> Other than that, I finally got to try a new prop on my Slingshot. Jim
> Holbrook sent me his new one for his 912 installation on his slingshot. I
> put it on and set it and guess what? NO HARMONICS!!! I didnt even have
> my helmet on and it was really quiet. I put my old one back on and wow,
> it is a noisy piece of crap. back to the ole woo woo woo. Tried that
> piece of tape on each blade. I put it on the worse blade and it changed
> the tune but still noisy. Put it on all the blades and it was really
> noisy. I am going to put Jims blade back on this morning and tie it down
> and wring it out to make sure but I am positive I have found the problem.
> Now, after all this and almost a year and a half of chasing the problem, I
> hope Warp Drive will make good and give me some replacement blades. If
> not I will have to take them off and spend a lot of money for some other
> blades, like Kiev. I just had to be able to PROVE what the problem was.
> Now I can. I want to thank everyone for all the help. Take care and
> happy sailing. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot 912 UL
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
Thom Riddle wrote:
> Thread was SLIPS
>
> Ralph's comment about carrying a heavy passenger prompts me to ask about the
size (sq. ft) of the standard MKIII and Kolbra wings. The reason I ask is that
I've flown our RANS S6-S (155.25 sq ft wing) at MTOW of 1200 lb with a 280 lb
passenger and light fuel. I weight about 215, so there is a lot of human carcass
aboard in this configuration. This comes to a wing loading of 7.73 lb/sqft
wing loading and 15 lb/hp for my 80hp 912.
>
> At our low elevation and generally cool climate the performance at MTOW is adequate.
Not enough power for that weight in the Rockies. Most of the time I fly
solo with more fuel at about 950 lbs TOW which comes to only 6.12 lb/sqft and
11.88 lb/hp. with great performance.
>
> Just curious about MkIII and Kolbra wings for comparison.
Tom, I forgot to answer your questions about the wing loading on the Kolbra. I
believe the Kolbra has the same wing at the Mark III with 153 sq ft. The maximum
gross weight is 1150 lbs and can carry a passenger up to 250 lbs, but the question
is whether someone of that size would fit in the rear seat. The 80 hp
912 is struggling with a heavy passenger, but the climb is probably better than
most small GA aircraft with heavier passengers. I know some of them cannot
carry a full load of fuel with a heavy passenger. The Kolbra has a 13 gallon tank
which is 81 lbs full, but on the opposite side of the cg which helps balance
things out.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
I too, just got back from SNF, Left Wed, (ground) to PMP to fly with Jeff
Wheeler, one of the new owners of N58SG, (Steven Green`s old MK-3C). The
flights went well , then we took a short hop out over the Everglades, What
lucky guys! Then on to Lakeland, saw Travis, Dennis,Bruce, John H., Craig
from Ala., Kip, & a few more.
What a nice bunch.!
I didn`t realize how unique an experience, the scenery from a Kolb, in that
neck of the woods. For the lurkers on this forum that don`t have a Kolb
yet,but are thinking about it, Whatcha Waitin for?
Jim Kmet
Cookeville, Tn
MK-3C
----- Original Message -----
From: "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun and Fun 2009
>
> --------
> Kip
> Firestar II, N111KX
> Waiex, N111YX
> Quickie 1, N111QX
> Atlanta
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241273#241273
>
>
>
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wandering Wench is on her way |
Hi Kolber drivers,
Sun N Fun ends today, and well be packing up and flying out tomorrow.
Here's a question for you. Were got a tentative route home (to Oregon) figured
out and Id very much appreciate hearing from you about it.
My method of flight planning is a 3-step process:
1. We look at a road map and choose a tentative route. This is usually based on
prior knowledge of portions of the route (in this case, from Albuquerque to Oregon,)
and from suggestions weve been given. (John Hauck was really helpful on
this.) Since we tend to follow roads (and they can be little, tiny back roads
or interstates,) anyone can look at a map and see where we are thinking of going.
We avoid congested areas (meaning cities and suburbs.)
2. I put out the road route to various ultralight e-mail lists and ask for input.
What we're looking for are people who are familiar with any segment of the
proposed flight route. Im especially interested in hearing from people who have
flown over segments of our route, so they can warn us about unsafe terrain
and make suggestions for alternate flight paths. This worked very successfully
on our flight here, and helped us get around Tuscons and El Pasos airspace,
and around the swamps in Louisiana and Mississippi and Florida.
3. We incorporate the suggestions when Randy and I sit down with sectionals [air
maps] and plan specific waypoints. Thats the route Ill be posting on our blog.
Of course, it will change based on weather and new information.
SO heres our tentative flight route. Please take a look, and if youve flown any
portion of the route, or are very familiar with any part of it from the ground,
please let me know whether there is anything to be aware ofremember, were
flying two-cycle engines and want to be able to have landing spots as much as
possible, in case we have engine problems.
Also, if you know of nice small airports along the way, let us know. Obviously
well see them on the sectional and can look them up in our Flight Guide, but theres
nothing like local knowledge.
And finally, if you know a safe and yet more scenic route let us know!
1. From Lakeland, Florida, follow I-75 north to Gainesville, FL.
2. Pick up Hwy. 27 to Foley, FL and go around Tallahassee to the north and on to
Bainbridge, GA.
3. Take Hwy. 84 to Dothan, AL
4.Follow Hwy. 231 to Hwy. 29/10; continue east on 10 to Greenville, AL and then
on to Meridian, MS
5. Pick up Hwy. 20 and head east past Shreveport.
6. Somehow get around all the congestion (looking for suggestions!) and pick up
Hwy. 82, following it past Sherman, TX on to Witchita Falls, TX.
7. Pick up Hwy. 287 and follow it to Amarillo.
8. Pick up I-40 and follow it to Albuquerque.
What do you think? Please let me hear from you. THANKS!!
Thanks -
Arty
Maxair Drifter
Sandy, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Transparent gascolator with drain valve |
| From: | "Dana" <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Here's the actual installation, on the cross tube under the seat of my UltraStar.
No problems, no leaks, no discernable degradation of the plastic so far.
-Dana
But do you trust the _government_ with semi-automatic assault rifles?
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| From: | Blumax008(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
I'm familiar.
We had one of our local yocal BIG airplane drivers (C-172) come up to a
nearby Trike flyer & make fun of his little Trike. A "kite" he called it
while bragging about how he flies his "real" airplane. When BIG airplane driver
asked our Trike flyer what he did for a living...BIG mistake...Trike flyer
responds..."I fly F-15 Eagles over the Iraq no-fly zone."
No further comment from BIG airplane driver...while retreating with haste.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
At 03:32 PM 4/26/2009, Blumax008(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>We had one of our local yocal BIG airplane drivers (C-172) come up to a
>nearby Trike flyer & make fun of his little Trike. A "kite" he called it
>while bragging about how he flies his "real" airplane...
Fortunately they're all not like that. Guy walks over from his Comanche
after I landed my UltraStar. He'd just gotten back from Florida (I'm in
CT), but all he could talk about was how much fun my plane looked.
A 172 is OK, I guess, but as airplanes go it's about as exciting as a
Plymouth station wagon.
-Dana
--
Most politicians aren't crooks, but the ones that are sure are making the
other 10 percent look bad.
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
GOOD for that Trike flyer. Wish I'd seen it
On Apr 26, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Blumax008(at)aol.com wrote:
> I'm familiar.
>
> We had one of our local yocal BIG airplane drivers (C-172) come up
> to a nearby Trike flyer & make fun of his little Trike. A "kite" he
> called it while bragging about how he flies his "real" airplane.
> When BIG airplane driver asked our Trike flyer what he did for a
> living...BIG mistake...Trike flyer responds..."I fly F-15 Eagles
> over the Iraq no-fly zone."
>
> No further comment from BIG airplane driver...while retreating with
> haste.
>
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
Greetings,
My FireStar is ready to do the flight to Monument Valley, it has been
flying missions for the last week.
I will be departing Friday morning and will try to make it in one day.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II
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flashing to turn back.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
Will:
No sweat on the helicopter. I didn't see any guns or rockets. ;-)
Got a call from Arty Trost this afternoon. She and Randy Simpson will
be departing Lakeland in the morning headed to Monument Valley.
I plan to leave here Tue, 12 May. Will marry up with three mkIII's and
a J5 Cub at Sherman, TX, first night out. From there we will fly to Los
Lunas, NM, to Mike Marker's, RON, and fly the rest of the way into MV
Thursday morning. Should be there some time after lunch if we decide to
eat lunch in Gallup. If Ken Kenorek can get off work, he will fly his
Titan and meet up at Sherman. That will be one hell'uva gaggle of
little airplanes. We did 4 mkIII's and a Kolbra in 2005 on the Kitty
Hawk/Kolb Homecoming Flight. Kip L met us in Milledgeville, GA, but had
to go back to work instead of horse around with the good ole boys.
Should be a good group of aircraft at MV if everyone that plans to be
there makes it.
The flight to Lakeland, four nights in the tent, was a good shake down
for me, the mkIII, and my requirements to live out of the airplane.
Looking forward to the flight West.
john h
mkIII
My FireStar is ready to do the flight to Monument Valley
Will Uribe
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| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="John Hauck
But, when an arrogant
SOB comes up to me, after getting out of his little $100,000+ glass LSA and
demeaningly refers to my MKIII as a "hummer", a "bug", etc., john h
mkIII
[/quote]
That guy probably thought he was pretty big in his composite LSA looking at a couple
LCD screens and flying over 100 MPH. When one is new to aviation and has
very little experience, it is easy to be impressed by any airplane is bigger
and faster. Now that I have been flying for more years than I care to admit,
whenever I am flying over a beautiful area of the country in a large Jet with
8 CRT's and doing well over 500 MPH, I look down and dream about flying to those
places in my Kolb !!!
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun and Fun 2009 |
> That guy probably thought he was pretty big in his composite LSA looking
at a couple LCD screens and flying over 100 MPH. When one is new to
aviation and has very little experience, it is easy to be impressed by any
airplane is bigger and faster. Now that I have been flying for more years
than I care to admit, whenever I am flying over a beautiful area of the
country in a large Jet with 8 CRT's and doing well over 500 MPH, I look down
and dream about flying to those places in my Kolb !!!
>
> Mike
There are a surprising number of professional pilots, both civil and
military, active and retired, flying Homer Kolb's airplanes, and other makes
and models of light planes and ultralights. Most of the time you can not
tell by the way a UL pilot looks if he is an unlicensed amateur or maybe
flying 40 or 50 years.
Will never forget landing at Headland, Alabama, for fuel in 1984 or 85 in my
Ultrastar, on a cross country flight to Tallahassee, Florida. The line boy
came out to help me with the fuel. He walked up to my little US and asked
me, "What frog pond did you get that skeeter hawk out of?" Back then I was
extremely sensitive about others' comments about my airplane. I promptly
told him, "It is an airplane, not a GD skeeter hawk." He replied with, "Yes
sir. How much fuel would you like in your airplane."
Had the Airport Manager at Danbury, Connecticut, 1994, pay me a visit as I
was sitting on the main gear of my mkIII filling out the log book. He drove
up in a big black sedan with a lot of antennas on it and the Airport Manager
logo on the door. Did not get out of his car, but hollered over to me,
"Ultralights are not allowed at my airport." I replied, "Your tower
operator authorized me to land here after I informed him of my intentions."
Then I pointed to the big yellow N number on the tailboom. The world is
full of them. If you fly long enough you will bump into one sooner or
later.
I am not as bad about it as I used to be, but the ding a ling at Perry, FL,
kinda got my goat yesterday.
john h
mkIII - 2,893.0 hours
912ULS - 324.5 hours
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
Okay, round two. The prop I installed on my slingshot was a warp three
blade with taper tips, 66 inches. Way shorter than my 70 incher. The
blades were smooth and clean as they should be, not full of cloth marks AND
the blades were even, instead of one tip being skinnier. The second time I
installed them I had the plane tied down and really ran it up. As it were,
the pitch was not correct at 12 and a half degrees, needed more but it was a
lot quieter than mine. Only problem was the harmonics were still there. I
could hear it better with this prop. It is definately coming from the
engine. It is not rolling, just making the harmonics sound. Although I
believe I would be better off with new and better blades from WD, I dont at
this time feel they would send them to me because I dont think they are the
actual culprit, only the device to amplify the sound. The blades are still
crap. I do not know where to go next. I guess I will have to go to Florida
and pay to have it checked out at Lockwood and if it is a warranty issue,
maybe they can fix it. I have plenty of proof it was there from the
beginning. Other than that, I guess I will have to live with it. Sorry, I
thought for a fleeting minute I had the cure. Ted Cowan, Alabama,
Slingshot, 912UL
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
Is anyone using a Kiev prop on a 912UL. If so, what length, etc. Does it
perform better, worse, than say, WD constant speed? Is it worth the price?
Ted Cowan, Slingshot 912UL. Oh yeah, is it really quieter?
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Although I
> believe I would be better off with new and better blades from WD, I dont
> at this time feel they would send them to me because I dont think they are
> the actual culprit, only the device to amplify the sound. The blades are
> still crap. I do not know where to go next.
Ted Cowan
You have been giving Warp Drive a pretty bad rap about your prop.
I believe Warp Drive stands behind their life time guarantee of
satisfaction, but they can do nothing if you do not communicate with them.
If I was as dissatisfied with my prop as you seem to be, instead of whining
on the internet and doing nothing, I think I would pick up the telephone and
get working on a solution.
I have been flying Warp Drive Props for 16 years and over 3,000 hours, on
912's, on Kolb aircraft. Never had a prop problem I did not create myself.
Along the way I haven't heard of defective Warp Drives, and I am sure Daryl
does not want a single one out there to tarnish his company's good
reputation.
It is about 220 miles from your airstrip to Ronnie Smith's airstrip, a three
hour flight. Takes about an hour to pull the gearbox, inspect it, reshim
it, and put it back on the engine. A quick and simple job. A lot closer
than Lockwood in Sebring, FL. If you didn't want to fly, you can pull the
gear box and drive to Ronnie's, or box it up and ship it to him. Gearbox
removal on a 912 is a quick and easy job.
Warp Drive can not fix your problem if you do not talk to them. Daryl said
he had not heard from you in well over a year.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Ted,
Sounda likw you are making progress. If your original propeller was a three blade,
the move from 72 to 66 inches gave you a decrease in propeller interia.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if you could borrow a lower inertia
propeller, such as, a Powefin.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Wichester, IN
>
>Okay, round two. The prop I installed on my slingshot was a warp three
>blade with taper tips, 66 inches. Way shorter than my 70 incher. The
>blades were smooth and clean as they should be, not full of cloth marks AND
>the blades were even, instead of one tip being skinnier. The second time I
>installed them I had the plane tied down and really ran it up. As it were,
>the pitch was not correct at 12 and a half degrees, needed more but it was a
>lot quieter than mine. Only problem was the harmonics were still there. I
>could hear it better with this prop. It is definately coming from the
>engine. It is not rolling, just making the harmonics sound. Although I
>believe I would be better off with new and better blades from WD, I dont at
>this time feel they would send them to me because I dont think they are the
>actual culprit, only the device to amplify the sound. The blades are still
>crap. I do not know where to go next. I guess I will have to go to Florida
>and pay to have it checked out at Lockwood and if it is a warranty issue,
>maybe they can fix it. I have plenty of proof it was there from the
>beginning. Other than that, I guess I will have to live with it. Sorry, I
>thought for a fleeting minute I had the cure. Ted Cowan, Alabama,
>Slingshot, 912UL
>
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I had a Kiev Hot prop on my MK-III Xtra with a Rotax 912-S. It is a beautiful
looking prop, but much to lightly made. The blades, the hub, and even the spacer
looked to fragile to last over time. It always worried me, and I found myself
checking it constantly. What pushed me over the edge was when a local airline
maintenance inspector that also works on experimental airplanes said " I
don't see how that can last hundreds of hours " I ordered and installed a Warp
Drive prop soon after.
Installing he Warp drive was the best thing I could have done safety wise. The
warp drive stayed together when I ran my Lockwood Pressure Gage set through the
prop while balancing the carbs at full power [Shocked] The Kiev Prop would
have most definitely come apart and over-sped the engine. On a pusher,
things do go through the prop, muffler parts, oil caps, you never know what,
but it does happen. The very strong Warp Drive prop is a huge safety advantage
on a pusher.
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Note of appreciation |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
I'd like to recognize two people who have made my partner's and my experience as
new Kolbers enjoyable and doable.
First, we bought an immaculate and meticulously-build MKIII Classic from someone
you all know, Steven Green. What a craftsman and gentleman!
The only regret I have about buying his beautiful aircraft is that it means he's
not in the air (for now.)
Second, we are eternally grateful to Jim Kmet, of Cookesville, TN, who "oriented"
us on what seems like the only CAVU day Tennessee has had in months. With great
patience, good humor and not the least, courage, he helped two private pilots
transition into the world of Kolbs. An avid S&F'er, I've wanted a Kolb for
years, and since it looks like I'll never be able to retire, I bought my retirement
fantasy early. I also don't have the patience/skill to build my own.
If that weren't enough, Jim took a detour (8 hours round trip) on his way to S&F
to spend a day at our home base, Pompano, FL, (KPMP) to help work out the kinks
in our transition.
Two wonderful gentlemen pilots, who deserve a round of applause.
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Kiev prop.......... I have a 68" 3 blade on my FS II; it replaced a WD.
Reason I changed is because the Warp got a small split in the end of one
blade & the slightly used Kiev was available for a real good price.
Kiev is better looking, I like the white front & the scimitar shape, it is
quieter on my plane {but I have about a 3" extension on it}, it's lighter,
performance seems about the same as the Warp. Price is about the same.
Robert Broadwell has a MkIIIC on floats & a Highlander, both with 912S at
our field. They both have Kiev's- 70" I think. He especially likes the
toughness of the Kiev, as he has close to 1,000 water takeoffs w/ that prop
[float-plane props take a beating from the spray].
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
In a message dated 4/27/2009 8:23:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tc1917(at)bellsouth.net writes:
Is anyone using a Kiev prop on a 912UL. If so, what length, etc. Does
it
perform better, worse, than say, WD constant speed? Is it worth the
price?
Ted Cowan, Slingshot 912UL. Oh yeah, is it really quieter?
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| Subject: | Warp Drive on my Firestar? |
| From: | "Kirkds" <kirkds(at)dishmail.net> |
I'm going to put a Warp drive prop on my Firestar that has a 503, twin carb, B
box. What is the best one, 2 blade or three blade and what diameter? Thanks!
Kirk
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| From: | Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Note of appreciation |
this is some great coincidence I will soon be relocating to Pompano and its good
to know that there are some Kolbers there. I was there about two weeks ago and
really enjoyed the airport. Probably the best airport in that part of Florida
and the main reason I am going to settle in that area just as soon as I sell
my house out here in Arizona. Maybe I'll finally get a chance to finish building
my own M3X.
Ron @ KFHU
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---- Watkinsdw wrote:
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I'd like to recognize two people who have made my partner's and my experience as
new Kolbers enjoyable and doable.
First, we bought an immaculate and meticulously-build MKIII Classic from someone
you all know, Steven Green. What a craftsman and gentleman!
The only regret I have about buying his beautiful aircraft is that it means he's
not in the air (for now.)
Second, we are eternally grateful to Jim Kmet, of Cookesville, TN, who "oriented"
us on what seems like the only CAVU day Tennessee has had in months. With great
patience, good humor and not the least, courage, he helped two private pilots
transition into the world of Kolbs. An avid S&F'er, I've wanted a Kolb for
years, and since it looks like I'll never be able to retire, I bought my retirement
fantasy early. I also don't have the patience/skill to build my own.
If that weren't enough, Jim took a detour (8 hours round trip) on his way to S&F
to spend a day at our home base, Pompano, FL, (KPMP) to help work out the kinks
in our transition.
Two wonderful gentlemen pilots, who deserve a round of applause.
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive on my Firestar? |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Kirkds wrote:
> I'm going to put a Warp drive prop on my Firestar that has a 503, twin carb,
B box. What is the best one, 2 blade or three blade and what diameter? Thanks!
Kirk
I believe the WD in 3 blades is a little over the MOI limits of the B box. Someone
did some MOI measurements (can't remember who or where) a while back and I
believe the WD was found to be over in terms of inertia in 3 blades. Even so,
the throttle response will be pretty poor and the motor will be hard to start,
etc.
If it were me with a 503 B box, I'd start with 66" in 2 blades and run the taper
tip for both performance reasons and to keep the MOI down. Course, Daryl and
the folks at WD will know all the numbers on this.
I had a 68" 3 blade taper on my FSII with the 3.47:1 C box. That's about the best
possible combination you can get on that plane, tho it does add extra weight
in kind of a bad place.
LS
--------
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Titan II SS
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| From: | Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Any suggestions for sticking altimeter?- try SPF-50 |
Well, your best bet outside of either buying a new one or OH the one you have is
to open it up and spray some SPF-50 into it.
It takes it sometime to work its magic, but providing you don't have any "real
Mechanical" defects it will fix the problem.
Keep in mind that its not an approved repair or any other "proper" repair but since
we are dealing with an experimental or Ultralight you can do as you wish.
I am a recent convert to the Spf-50 and Corrosion-X treatments and I can say this,
it has corrected some anomalies to include the keyboard on this current HP
Laptop of about 8 years of usage. Among "other" things.
Ron @ KFHU
======================
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Hello folks,
Was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a sticking altimeter? I know the
obvious suggestion is buy a new one. Probably will do that. It is sticking
around 500 ft. That is kinda where I spend a lot of time. Must have wore the
mechanism out there. It will come unstuck with a few taps or with enough gain
in altitude.
We stay in a very humid and wet environment. I think the guts have rusted or something.
Just wondering if there are I tricks out there for this?
Looking at AS&S for new altimeter. Trying to work on squawk list for MV. Yesterday,
flew 2.3 hours with 9 cross wind landings (15 knots) to build up my wind
threshold for the trip out west. Trying to get ready.
Appreciate any help or suggestions. Stay safe.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
Landing a plane and being married - a few smooth moments mixed with a lot of rough
ones.
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
HShack(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> He especially likes the toughness of the Kiev, as he has close to 1,000 water
takeoffs w/ that prop [float-plane props take a beating from the spray].
>
>
The Kiev has nickel leading edge plating, as does the Warp Drive, this makes it
suitable for flying in Rain, Floats, where water would be hitting the leading
edge. Either prop would be fine on floats. This does NOT make the Kiev a tough
prop, to the contrary, the Kiev is very light and fragile. For mounting
on a pusher Kolb MK III, you need a very strong prop capable of staying together
when a foreign object goes through it, not one that is ONLY resistant to water
spray.
Look at the picture below, putting 100 HP into that narrow aluminum prop spacer
is not something I was comfortable with. My Warp Drive prop has a much bigger
mounting bolt pattern and much larger diameter spacer. Both the Hub and Prop
blades are extremely light, definitely not what I want considering the strong
power pulses of the Rotax 912. But if anyone wants a good, slightly used Kiev
Prop for a Rotax 912, I have one for sale !!! As much as I would like to sell
this prop and get back some of the money I paid for it, I am not the type
of person that would sell something that might get someone hurt in their Kolb
just so that I can profit. If anyone wants to buy this prop, they will get my
honest opinion about and its potential hazards first.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Another cross country - Vidalia AirShow |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
Hi all. Got my muffler back on after replacing the internal and external gaskets
but the thing is still leaking.
Other than that, my plane is flying great. I took a little longer cross country
trip (farther than Douglas) this past Saturday to Vidalia, Georgia. They had
an airshow for their Onion Festival, and the EAA chapter there was wanting some
planes for their static display and was offering free admission if you flew
in. So I flew my Kolb Mark II and my gyrocopter friend flew formation with
me. Our RV-9 friend flew up also and beat us coming and going of course. That
is a fast plane. It took me an hour and fifteen to get there and and hour and
a half on the way back. Straight trip up there is 56NM but the route we took
was 62NM one way. It was a gorgeous day for flying.
I really enjoyed myself. We really had to keep an eye on our planes though. Parents
either didn't watch their kids or they just let their kids do whatever
they wanted. One little girl thought my horizontal stabilizer was a seat. Before
we knew it another girl had climbed onto the RV-9 and when she got down she
started shaking his flaps really hard. Some teens plopped into the seat of
the gyrocopter and started flipping switches. So we watched the airshow from
under my wings (thank the Lord for that shade or we wouldn't have made it through
the day...it was so hot). We'll have to make some big Don't Touch signs
if we go to another show.
Anyways, here's the link to the slideshow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ4m2qudqvs
Oh, concerning my elevator... The other picture must have been a shadow or the
angle. The gyrocopter pilot said my elevator was straight out when flying straight
and level.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
JetPilot wrote:
>
> HShack(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > He especially likes the toughness of the Kiev, as he has close to 1,000 water
takeoffs w/ that prop [float-plane props take a beating from the spray].
> >
> >
>
>
> The Kiev has nickel leading edge plating, as does the Warp Drive, this makes
it suitable for flying in Rain, Floats, where water would be hitting the leading
edge. Either prop would be fine on floats. This does NOT make the Kiev a
tough prop, to the contrary, the Kiev is very light and fragile. For mounting
on a pusher Kolb MK III, you need a very strong prop capable of staying together
when a foreign object goes through it, not one that is ONLY resistant to
water spray.
>
> Look at the picture below, putting 100 HP into that narrow aluminum prop spacer
is not something I was comfortable with. My Warp Drive prop has a much bigger
mounting bolt pattern and much larger diameter spacer. Both the Hub and Prop
blades are extremely light, definitely not what I want considering the strong
power pulses of the Rotax 912. But if anyone wants a good, slightly used
Kiev Prop for a Rotax 912, I have one for sale !!! As much as I would like to
sell this prop and get back some of the money I paid for it, I am not the type
of person that would sell something that might get someone hurt in their Kolb
just so that I can profit. If anyone wants to buy this prop, they will get
my honest opinion about and its potential hazards first.
>
> Mike
What diameter is it and how much you want for it?
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Oh, never mind. I see it doesn't have the right bolt pattern for my extension...
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Note of appreciation |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, Ron,
Welcome aboard. Let us know when you arrive. I'm sure we can learn from each other,
and it will be great to have a sister ship to fly with.
If you want to chat off-line, use david.watkins0(at)gmail.com.
Dave and Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Note of appreciation |
| From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
Gents I would love to sit and chat with both of you as I am just starting the building
process in Boca Raton. I would welcome joining for Lunch sometime.....
Fran Losey
------Original Message------
From: Watkinsdw
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Apr 27, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Note of appreciation
Hi, Ron,
Welcome aboard. Let us know when you arrive. I'm sure we can learn from each other,
and it will be great to have a sister ship to fly with.
If you want to chat off-line, use david.watkins0(at)gmail.com.
Dave and Jeff
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Another cross country - Vidalia AirShow |
>Parents either didn't watch their kids or they just let their kids do what
ever they wanted. We'll >have to make some big Don't Touch signs if we go t
o another show.
--------
> Cristal Waters
Christal=2C
Sounds like it's time to invest in a Taser! That'll learn 'em.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
is there an airport that seems to attract all these unofficial Kolbs? This will
be my first time. I would hate to miss the festivities.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
> is there an airport that seems to attract all these unofficial Kolbs?
This will be my first time. I would hate to miss the festivities.
>
> --------
> Dale Whelan
Be looking forward to seeing you at Monument Valley.
Biggest festivity we have is sitting under the wing of someone's Kolb
telling lies and gourging ourselves up at the Gouldings Restaurant.
Once in a while we get out and fly around the monuments, especially the new
guys.
UT25
Monument Valley Airport
15-17 May (although most of us will arrive Thursday, 14 May and depart
Sunday morning 17 May)
7th Annual Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin Monument Valley Utah
Gets better every year.
john h
mkIII
"Monument Valley Clique"
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| Subject: | Re: Another cross country - Vidalia AirShow |
| From: | "N111KX (Kip)" <n111kx(at)mindspring.com> |
Looks like a great time. The small town fly-ins can be the best...
--------
Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive on my Firestar? |
With the "B" box, I'm sure the 3 blade has too much inertia, & I THINK the
2 blade may be too much. Call Warp.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
In a message dated 4/27/2009 12:14:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kirkds(at)dishmail.net writes:
I'm going to put a Warp drive prop on my Firestar that has a 503, twin
carb, B box. What is the best one, 2 blade or three blade and what diameter?
Thanks! Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: Note of appreciation |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Perhaps this weekend, Fran. Especially if it continues to be too windy to fly.
Call me. 954 608 5423.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
John,
? The wife wants to know if she will be the only girl there?I suggested she bake
a batch of her toll house cookies,to share and that would pretty much guarantee
her plenty of company.She said thats not what she meant! But I will keep working
on the cookie angle just in case.Hope to see you all about the 14th .
??????????????????????????????? G Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200----Original Message-----From:
John Hauck
Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 4:43 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley
?
> is there an airport that seems to attract all these unofficial Kolbs?
This will be my first time. I would hate to miss the festivities.?
>?
> --------?
> Dale Whelan?
?
?
Be looking forward to seeing you at Monument Valley.?
?
Biggest festivity we have is sitting under the wing of someone's Kolb
telling lies and gourging ourselves up at the Gouldings Restaurant.?
?
Once in a while we get out and fly around the monuments, especially the new
guys.?
?
UT25?
?
Monument Valley Airport?
?
15-17 May (although most of us will arrive Thursday, 14 May and depart
Sunday morning 17 May)?
?
7th Annual Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin Monument Valley Utah?
?
Gets better every year.?
?
john h?
mkIII?
"Monument Valley Clique" ?
?
?
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
The wife wants to know if she will be the only girl there?
G Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200
No, your wife will not be the only girl there. In addition to Arty, who
is flying in, there will be other girls there. She'll most likely have
plenty company.
My assumption is based on the past flyins.
Looking forward to seeing you all there.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
Let's be careful with our wording. Your wife will not be the only WOMAN there
- there will be others of the female persuasion.:>)
I mention this because of a funny thing that happened when I was at Sun n Fun.
I was talking to a float plane pilot (whom I have never met, so he was just a
voice on the phone.) He told me that if I met any girls, to send them over to
the Splash In and he'd give them a free ride.
I'm busy promoting the Penelope Pilot Project, which encourages girls to spread
their wings, hopefully through aviation but also in any other way. So when an
excited 8 year old girl came to see me and my Drifter, I gave her parents the
float pilot's invitation.
You can guess the ending to this story. He called me that evening, saying that
he is a single guy and he's looking for "girls" who are over 21 !!
Arty Trost
Maxair Drifter
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
--- On Mon, 4/27/09, John Hauck wrote:
> From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 6:50 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The wife wants
> to know if she will be
> the only girl
> there?
>
>
>
> G Aman MK-3C
> Jabiru 2200
>
>
>
>
> No, your wife will not be the only
> girl there. In
> addition to Arty, who is flying in, there will be other
> girls there.
> She'll most likely have plenty company.
>
> My assumption is based on the past
> flyins.
>
> Looking forward to seeing you all
> there.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
my ballast is female
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
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| From: | Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Note of appreciation |
That would be great. We sure will! Now I need to get out of the Arizona desert
and head there. Which model are you building?
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Gents I would love to sit and chat with both of you as I am just starting the building
process in Boca Raton. I would welcome joining for Lunch sometime.....
Fran Losey
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Sender: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
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Sent: Apr 27, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Note of appreciation
Hi, Ron,
Welcome aboard. Let us know when you arrive. I'm sure we can learn from each other,
and it will be great to have a sister ship to fly with.
If you want to chat off-line, use david.watkins0(at)gmail.com.
Dave and Jeff
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
har! those southern "boys" at it again.
On 27, Apr 2009, at 10:49 PM, TheWanderingWench wrote:
>
>
>
> Let's be careful with our wording. Your wife will not be the only
> WOMAN there - there will be others of the female persuasion.:>)
>
> I mention this because of a funny thing that happened when I was at
> Sun n Fun. I was talking to a float plane pilot (whom I have never
> met, so he was just a voice on the phone.) He told me that if I met
> any girls, to send them over to the Splash In and he'd give them a
> free ride.
>
> I'm busy promoting the Penelope Pilot Project, which encourages
> girls to spread their wings, hopefully through aviation but also in
> any other way. So when an excited 8 year old girl came to see me
> and my Drifter, I gave her parents the float pilot's invitation.
>
> You can guess the ending to this story. He called me that evening,
> saying that he is a single guy and he's looking for "girls" who are
> over 21 !!
>
> Arty Trost
> Maxair Drifter
> Sandy, Oregon
>
>
> www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
>
>
> "Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
>
> Helen Keller
>
>
> "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
>
>
> --- On Mon, 4/27/09, John Hauck wrote:
>
>> From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley
>> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 6:50 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The wife wants
>> to know if she will be
>> the only girl
>> there?
>>
>>
>>
>> G Aman MK-3C
>> Jabiru 2200
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No, your wife will not be the only
>> girl there. In
>> addition to Arty, who is flying in, there will be other
>> girls there.
>> She'll most likely have plenty company.
>>
>> My assumption is based on the past
>> flyins.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing you all
>> there.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
I wasnt going to answer this on line but because I was scolded on line, I
will. The fact is I have talked to Daryl many times in the past about these
blades and I finally got to send them back to him for checking. They were
all different weights, lengths and not at all matched. There was also cloth
like bumps on them. The receipt I got back with the blades said he replaced
a blade and balanced them. When I got them back all I saw that was done was
new paint, and they filed or cut them off to match for length to match the
smaller blade tip (not quit as small as the smallest one) and claim to have
balanced them. I was told the balance is at the hub and not at the tip.
What? I super balanced them on my blade balancing units and said to hell
with it. If I cannot PROVE my case nothing is going to be done about it. I
set about trying to solve this mystery for the last year or so. The new
blades I tried this weekend were absolutely quieter and smoother (albeit
shorter) (even after I pitched them to 14 degrees) than my present blades.
I still had some of the sound I am chasing so I still dont have the absolute
answer. I am still way noisier than it should be. I asked Ronnie Smith to
check this problem the very first week I installed the engine. I offered to
pay him. He had me try several things as move my exhaust pipes to the top
instead of the right side, balance my carbs,(I have done that at least four
times) and put my 4" spacer on and resisted any other help. Sooooo, all
that I have left is to go outside the realm and find the answer. It may be
that several things cause this (including the blades) so I am still looking.
I dont think Daryl is going to volunteer new blades as he would have done
that in the first place and not send me these chunks of plastic back the way
they did. (as he told me, he had NEVER heard of such a thing and NEVER had
that problem before, yeah, right) I have slipped through the cracks and it
is my option to not be happy about it. I am not a celebrity so I dont get
the attention that some people get. I WILL call him today and see what he
says but I had to wait till sun un fun was over. Now. I know some of you
wonderful people on this list are going to be angry at me and trash me but
that is what the deal is. I did not get the attention to this stuff before
and I dont believe I will get much now unless I can PROVE it. The only way
to PROVE it is to have a new set of 70 inch blades -- good ones, and try
them. Maybe, just maybe they will be quiet enough to help isolate the other
sound and get the job done. Other than that I have a very, very, very
expensive engine and blade unit that can drive a bear out of hibernation.
My case. Like it or not. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot, 912 UL.
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| Subject: | Re: Note of appreciation |
| From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
I will give you a call later this week after I get back in town. Sounds good.
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Perhaps this weekend, Fran. Especially if it continues to be too windy to fly.
Call me. 954 608 5423.
Dave
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Ted, I'm inclined to believe you. Unless you bought those blades at
a flea market they should have been identical
from the beginning. -In appearance, weight and shape.
If you feel you have a valid complaint I'd keep that wheel a-squeakin
until you get some satisfaction.
BB
On 28, Apr 2009, at 6:23 AM, Ted Cowan wrote:
>
> I wasnt going to answer this on line but because I was scolded on
> line, I will. The fact is I have talked to Daryl many times in the
> past about these blades and I finally got to send them back to him
> for checking. They were all different weights, lengths and not at
> all matched. There was also cloth like bumps on them. The receipt
> I got back with the blades said he replaced a blade and balanced
> them. When I got them back all I saw that was done was new paint,
> and they filed or cut them off to match for length to match the
> smaller blade tip (not quit as small as the smallest one) and claim
> to have balanced them. I was told the balance is at the hub and
> not at the tip. What? I super balanced them on my blade balancing
> units and said to hell with it. If I cannot PROVE my case nothing
> is going to be done about it. I set about trying to solve this
> mystery for the last year or so. The new blades I tried this
> weekend were absolutely quieter and smoother (albeit shorter) (even
> after I pitched them to 14 degrees) than my present blades. I still
> had some of the sound I am chasing so I still dont have the
> absolute answer. I am still way noisier than it should be. I
> asked Ronnie Smith to check this problem the very first week I
> installed the engine. I offered to pay him. He had me try several
> things as move my exhaust pipes to the top instead of the right
> side, balance my carbs,(I have done that at least four times) and
> put my 4" spacer on and resisted any other help. Sooooo, all that
> I have left is to go outside the realm and find the answer. It may
> be that several things cause this (including the blades) so I am
> still looking. I dont think Daryl is going to volunteer new blades
> as he would have done that in the first place and not send me these
> chunks of plastic back the way they did. (as he told me, he had
> NEVER heard of such a thing and NEVER had that problem before,
> yeah, right) I have slipped through the cracks and it is my option
> to not be happy about it. I am not a celebrity so I dont get the
> attention that some people get. I WILL call him today and see what
> he says but I had to wait till sun un fun was over. Now. I know
> some of you wonderful people on this list are going to be angry at
> me and trash me but that is what the deal is. I did not get the
> attention to this stuff before and I dont believe I will get much
> now unless I can PROVE it. The only way to PROVE it is to have a
> new set of 70 inch blades -- good ones, and try them. Maybe, just
> maybe they will be quiet enough to help isolate the other sound and
> get the job done. Other than that I have a very, very, very
> expensive engine and blade unit that can drive a bear out of
> hibernation. My case. Like it or not. Ted Cowan, Alabama,
> Slingshot, 912 UL.
>
>
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| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
> Ted, I'm inclined to believe you. Unless you bought those blades at
> a flea market they should have been identical
> from the beginning. -In appearance, weight and shape.
> If you feel you have a valid complaint I'd keep that wheel a-squeakin
> until you get some satisfaction.
> BB
>
> On 28, Apr 2009, at 6:23 AM, Ted Cowan wrote:
>
>
While I havn't had the QC problems you've had, I'm going to be calling Daryl today
too to inquire about another solution.
I keep trying to not mind my vibration and I juuuuust can't be at ease with it.
Another hour yesterday evening in the plane and I just couldn't relax.
So don't keep him on the phone too long ;).
I'm going to see about a 2-blade option. I don't know if the 912uls can be held
back with only 2 70" or less WD blades, but I'm going to see what Daryl says
about it. I'm doubltful a change in diameter will fix my situation as another
owner of my plane type has reported the same problem with his 64". So I think
a major change in config will be needed.
I'm certain in my case it's not a QC problem with the prop and I've never heard
of even a cosmetic problem with a WD prop. A hint of weave here and there, yeah,
but that's not what I'd consider a problem.
Hopefully my powerfin will be here in a couple weeks. I'll see how that goes...
LS
--------
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Titan II SS
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
GOOD CHOICE!!
On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:39 PM, dalewhelan wrote:
>
>
> my ballast is female
>
> --------
> Dale Whelan
> 503 powered Firestar II
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241594#241594
>
>
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
>John,
> The wife wants to know if she will be the only girl there?I suggested she
bake a few batches of her toll house cookies,to share and that would pretty
much guarantee her plenty >of company.She said thats not what she meant! But
I will keep working on the cookie angle just in case.Hope to see you all
about the 14th .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A few batches would be great.
My wife wants to come.. Not sure if she wants to fly that far or drive
down.
Boyd.
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Just a thought or two.... ,,,Ted...have you had anyone else sit in
the plane with the engine in the correct rpm range...? If the
engine/prop combo does not exhibit the problem on the ground...then
it might be airframe /engine/prop related...?? Can others hear
it? Could be some aspect of your hearing ? Women are best at
this "noise " game...:-)
How about stuffing some foam into the boom tube ? It has a resonant
frequency and could amplify sounds...
Lastly...buy or borrow one of the voice recorders or make a video
and upload it to you tube for all to hear... Herb
At 08:23 AM 4/28/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
> > Ted, I'm inclined to believe you. Unless you bought those blades at
> > a flea market they should have been identical
> > from the beginning. -In appearance, weight and shape.
> > If you feel you have a valid complaint I'd keep that wheel a-squeakin
> > until you get some satisfaction.
> > BB
> >
> > On 28, Apr 2009, at 6:23 AM, Ted Cowan wrote:
> >
> >
>
>
>While I havn't had the QC problems you've had, I'm going to be
>calling Daryl today too to inquire about another solution.
>
>I keep trying to not mind my vibration and I juuuuust can't be at
>ease with it. Another hour yesterday evening in the plane and I just
>couldn't relax.
>
>So don't keep him on the phone too long ;).
>
>I'm going to see about a 2-blade option. I don't know if the 912uls
>can be held back with only 2 70" or less WD blades, but I'm going to
>see what Daryl says about it. I'm doubltful a change in diameter
>will fix my situation as another owner of my plane type has reported
>the same problem with his 64". So I think a major change in config
>will be needed.
>
>I'm certain in my case it's not a QC problem with the prop and I've
>never heard of even a cosmetic problem with a WD prop. A hint of
>weave here and there, yeah, but that's not what I'd consider a problem.
>
>Hopefully my powerfin will be here in a couple weeks. I'll see how
>that goes...
>
>LS
>
>--------
>LS
>Titan II SS
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241624#241624
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>04/28/09 06:15:00
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
Boyd
Tell your wife it's safer to fly!
On Apr 28, 2009, at 9:50 AM, b young wrote:
> >John,
> > The wife wants to know if she will be the only girl there?I
> suggested she bake a few batches of her toll house cookies,to share
> and that would pretty much guarantee her plenty >of company.She
> said thats not what she meant! But I will keep working on the
> cookie angle just in case.Hope to see you all about the 14th .
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> A few batches would be great.
>
> My wife wants to come=85. Not sure if she wants to fly that far or
> drive down.
>
> Boyd.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
I have that same issue.She will fly but only if there is a meal at the de
stination.We are spending a couple weeks of vacation in Utah and Colorado
in our pickup camper,so I suggested we take the Kolb along and visit at
MV.The Kolb trailer drafts the Camper fairly well after some mods to the
trailer tongue so we'll try leaving Ohio around the 8th.It's about 1900
miles one way so we start early and sight see on the way.See you then!
=C2-=C2-=C2- G Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200
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From: b young <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 9:50 am
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley
>John,
>=C2- The
wife wants to know if she will be the only girl there?I suggested she bake
a few
batches
of her toll house cookies,to share and that would pretty much guarantee he
r
plenty >of company.She said thats not what she meant! But I will keep
working on the cookie angle just in case.Hope to see you all about the 14t
h .
=C2-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=C2-
=C2-
A few batches would be great.
=C2-
My wife wants to come.=C2-=C2- Not sure if she wants to fly
that far or drive down.=C2-
=C2-
Boyd.
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
Ultralights can't fly over a "congested area" or "assembly of persons" at
any altitude, but other than that there is no minimum altitude or
distance.>>
Hurrah! Something which we can do but you cannot. Makes a change.
We were the same as you until a couple of months ago but the micro
organasation convinced the CAA that on the evidence we were no more likey to
crash on a town than any other GA a/ and the CAA agreed. The restriction was
removed.
Wonders will never cease.
Pat
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: INCREDIBLE engine fialure video from Florida !!! |
At 12:24 PM 4/28/2009, pj.ladd wrote:
>
>Ultralights can't fly over a "congested area" or "assembly of persons" at
>any altitude, but other than that there is no minimum altitude or distance.>>
>
>Hurrah! Something which we can do but you cannot. Makes a change.
>
>We were the same as you until a couple of months ago but the micro
>organasation convinced the CAA that on the evidence we were no more likey
>to crash on a town than any other GA a/ and the CAA agreed. The
>restriction was removed.
Of course, the congested area prohibition applies only to Part 103
ultralights, which most Kolbs are not. Most Kolbs here are certificated,
with no congested area restriction (after the test hours are flown off) but
with the usual altitude restrictions. True ultralights (like my UltraStar
and my PPG's) have the congested area prohibition, but no altitude
restrictions... I'd rather be legal to fly below 500' but not over towns
than the other way around.
-Dana
--
We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.
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Ted, I think Mike's Kiev prop MUST have the 912 Bolt pattern. If you
could get it at a decent price, it could fix your problem. If not it should be
no trouble selling it.
It may LOOK weak & fragile to Mike, but I don't agree. We may not be
sending test instruments thru ours, but they have held up well to rocks,
baseball caps, etc.
Also, Mike seems more concerned about his spacer than the prop; I don't
think his spacer is from Kiev.
C'mon Mike; how much for that piece of crap Kiev?
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
In a message dated 4/28/2009 6:25:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tc1917(at)bellsouth.net writes:
Other than that I have a very, very, very
expensive engine and blade unit that can drive a bear out of hibernation.
My case. Like it or not. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot, 912 UL.
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| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Oh wait... if the extension is included, I'm interested......
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
| From: | "Dave Rains" <RangeFlyer72(at)yahoo.com> |
I will be arriving with a woman, not my wife [Rolling Eyes]
No, She's not my girlfriend, but an ultralight pilot from Mexico. A wonderful
person who shares our joy of aviation.
Am planning on trailering up my helicopter, but if it's not ready, will fly the
C175 up and take the local kids for a ride.
Yes, John, I know........
The Cessna is a big hit with the locals.
Am looking forward to the fly-in, as you know, Will and I are the founders, and
have the authority to control, and reject anyone who irritates us!
:D
Dave (Skeeter) Rains
N8086T
N472DR,
and enough time in FireStars to shame a lot of folks!
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N8086T
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I think Ted has a right to be upset, If I had bought a prop and found the balance
and other problems he describes I would be upset also. Given the problems
Ted describes with his prop, it would be at the top of my list as to what would
be causing the suspect vibration.
As far as the Kiev Prop, it is a beautiful prop. Mine is black with a very shiny
smooth finish, with modern looking curved blades and metal leading edges, to
look at this prop is a work of art. This prop would be perfect for a tractor
or even a lower power two stroke engine. The spacer looks good, I bought it
from Kolb, its just two darn small for a 912-S in my opinion. No matter who
makes the spacer, the result will be the same, it will have to narrow down to
fit the Kiev's smaller bolt pattern. I paid a lot for this prop new, if Ted
wants to buy it, I will sell it, he knows why I switched to a warp drive and
my concern of the possibility of something going through the prop on a pusher
engine. Its been so long since I have had that prop on my plane, I don't remember
if it made a big difference in the noise or not. Same for the performance,
its been so long, and I was changing so much on the airplane at the time,
I never got a good comparison.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Another cross country - Vidalia AirShow |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Its no wonder society is going to shit, kids like that generally grow up to be
trashy, very self centered, rude adults. The lack of rules and discipline is
very evident in the airline business, were people throw child like tantrums because
they are required to follow some very simple and necessary safety rules.
Crystal,
What kind of condition is your muffler in ??? On a 2 stroke engine, if the baffling
in the muffler comes loose, it will be just like an engine failure. The
two stroke engine relies to a great degree on the exhaust system to draw air
through the engine to obtain its power output. One of the guys in our club here
had a very difficult forced landing in his Kolb due to internal baffling coming
loose in his muffler. The engine still ran, but with no usable power, he
said he could do a little better than Idle, not enough to maintain flight.
If the muffler is on the verge of coming apart inside, better to replace it.
Mike
--------
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have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I am selling the prop, and extension, with everything needed to mount it to a Rotax
912-s. Its a 72 inch prop.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
Just for the record, many, many people hear this noise, not just me in the
cabin. It starts on the ground at about 2500 rpm and really makes itself
known by the time you get to 4000. On the ground, in the air, everywhere,
its there. By the time you get to around 4800 or more in the air, you
cannot stand it without the ANR set. Sounds like five o'clock charlie in
the MASH series. Everyone knows it is me from over five miles away. Great
Kolb Airship, fun to fly, will do anything, zoom zoom but -- the nastiest
sound around. end. ted cowan, alabama, slingshot, 912 ul
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> Just for the record, many, many people hear this noise, not just me in the
> cabin.
ted cowan, alabama, slingshot, 912 ul
Ted had his SS at last year's Kolb Homecoming.
When he flew, the noise was loud and easily heard even by a deaf guy.
Sounded just like the noise Ronny Collin's SS was making when powered by a
582 and a 3 blade fast taper Warp Drive Prop. When I flew Ronny's SS the
noise and vibration were very evident. Didn't make much difference what I
did, the noise and vibration remained. It was reduced only when throttle
was retarded.
After I landed I suggested Ronny fly the SS and let me fly his wing to see
if I could see anything abnormal about his SS. We did and I did discover
the fabric on the top inboard rear of the right wing ballooning. Builder
had rib stitched rather than use fabric rivets. The rib stitching was
pulling loose.
Ronny used fabric rivets to repair the right wing and also riveted the left
wing in the same area.
Test flight resulted in harmonic noise and vibration had disappeared, never
to return. This SS was also at the Kolb Homecoming 2008.
Unlike Ted, Ronny had good quality blades.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
quiet Jabiru powered MKIIIC a few months ago.>>
QUIET! How did that happen? I haven`t found a quiet pusher configuration
of ANY plane yet.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
That was my reaction when Rick used that word.Although he did qualify it.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley
?quiet Jabiru powered MKIIIC a few months
ago.>>
?
QUIET! How did that happen? I haven`t found a quiet
pusher configuration of ANY plane yet.
?
Pat
?
?
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Yes Quiet.
I have flown in Kolb MKIIIs with a Rotax 503, 582, 912(80hp), 912
(100hp), Jabiru and my VW. The two stroke Rotaxs were open out the back
and my ears are still ringing from them. The overworked air-cooled 503
was far and away the worst on my ears. Fat Albert with the 80hp Rotax,
open cockpit was also noisy and its high RPM engine just gets to you
more. John H. has the 912 100HP and it was the most quiet. It is likely
that his big fuel tank between the engine and your ears tends to dampen
the vibration/noise. My current VW is somewhere close to a open cockpit
912 but the lower frequency is easer to deal with. My VW high mount that
had real soft vibration dampers and it was the most quiet MKIII I have
ever flown in. The Jabiru has a much slower turning engine even slower
than my VW and it would appear that the vibration dampers were well
tuned to stop quite a bit of the noise producing vibrations. The lower
frequency noises produced by the Jabiru are also much easer to filer out
with available ANR headsets. It is a airplane and noise is a normal
condition so yes the Jabiru is a close runner up for the most quiet Kolb
MKIII.
I have been looking for softer vibration dampers (bushing) for my VW but
haven't found anything yet. This appears to be the most noticeable
element in a quiet cockpit. It also reduces the stress on the airframe.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley
That was my reaction when Rick used that word.Although he did qualify
it.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley
quiet Jabiru powered MKIIIC a few months ago.>>
QUIET! How did that happen? I haven`t found a quiet pusher
configuration of ANY plane yet.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | zeprep251(at)AOL.COM |
Rick,
??? You know how sensitive the squelch was on the intercom? Well after talking
to David Clark,I was informed that there is a mic gain control on these old headsets.After
removing the foam mic cover
the adjusting screw was visible .A half turn made so much difference I couldn't
believe it.Even take off power can't trip the vox and the cockpit com is much
improved.I'm a happy camper!These headsets are 29 years old!
???? You are gonna take some heat on that Quiet claim,but thanks for the effort!
????????????????????????? G.Aman MK-C Jabiru 2200, now comfortably in touch with
the right seat!
???????????
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 3:19 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Yes Quiet.
?
I have flown in Kolb MKIIIs with a Rotax 503, 582,
912(80hp), 912 (100hp), Jabiru?and my VW. The two stroke Rotaxs were open
out the back and my ears are still ringing from them. The overworked air-cooled
503 was far and away the worst on my ears.?Fat Albert with the 80hp Rotax,
open cockpit was also noisy and its high RPM engine just gets to you more. John
H. has the 912 100HP and it was the most quiet. It is likely that his big fuel
tank between the engine and your ears tends to dampen the vibration/noise. My
current VW is somewhere close to a open cockpit 912 but the lower frequency is
easer to deal with.?My VW high mount that had real soft vibration
dampers?and it was the most quiet MKIII I have ever flown in.?The
Jabiru has a much slower turning engine even slower than my VW and it would
appear that the vibration dampers were well tuned to stop quite a bit of the
noise producing vibrations. The lower frequency noises produced by the Jabiru
are also much easer to filer out with available ANR headsets. It is a airplane
and noise is a normal condition so yes the Jabiru is a close runner up for the
most quiet Kolb MKIII.
?
I have been looking for softer vibration
dampers?(bushing) for my VW?but haven't found anything yet. This
appears to be the most noticeable element in a quiet cockpit. It also reduces
the stress on the airframe.
?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From:
zeprep251(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:35
PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument
Valley
That was my reaction when Rick
used that word.Although he did qualify it.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent:
Wed, 29 Apr 2009 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument
Valley
?quiet Jabiru powered MKIIIC a few months
ago.>>
?
QUIET! How did that happen? I haven`t found a
quiet pusher configuration of ANY plane yet.
?
Pat
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| From: | Brad Stump <sky-king(at)inbox.com> |
I have a Keiv prop on MK3X,with a Hirth 70hp,two weeks ago the water belt cover
went through the prop,loud thunk,precautionary landing,skint place on one blade,flew
it home,ordered and replaced the cover after drilling holes in it for
safety wire,still flying.Iam satisfied with my prop.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: orcabonita(at)hotmail.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: props
>
>
>
> HShack(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>> He especially likes the toughness of the Kiev, as he has close to 1,000
>> water takeoffs w/ that prop [float-plane props take a beating from the
>> spray].
>>
>>
>
>
> The Kiev has nickel leading edge plating, as does the Warp Drive, this
> makes it suitable for flying in Rain, Floats, where water would be
> hitting the leading edge. Either prop would be fine on floats. This
> does NOT make the Kiev a tough prop, to the contrary, the Kiev is very
> light and fragile. For mounting on a pusher Kolb MK III, you need a very
> strong prop capable of staying together when a foreign object goes
> through it, not one that is ONLY resistant to water spray.
>
> Look at the picture below, putting 100 HP into that narrow aluminum prop
> spacer is not something I was comfortable with. My Warp Drive prop has a
> much bigger mounting bolt pattern and much larger diameter spacer. Both
> the Hub and Prop blades are extremely light, definitely not what I want
> considering the strong power pulses of the Rotax 912. But if anyone
> wants a good, slightly used Kiev Prop for a Rotax 912, I have one for
> sale !!! As much as I would like to sell this prop and get back some of
> the money I paid for it, I am not the type of person that would sell
> something that might get someone hurt in their Kolb just so that I can
> profit. If anyone wants to buy this prop, they will get my honest
> opinion about and its potential hazards first.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Vidalia AirShow - Kids ! |
At 11:07 PM 4/28/2009, you wrote:
>
>Its no wonder society is going to shit, kids like that generally
>grow up to be trashy, very self centered, rude adults. The lack of
>rules and discipline is very evident in the airline business, were
>people throw child like tantrums because they are required to follow
>some very simple and necessary safety rules.
Got a Fly-in. Got kids running around. Got props turning. Those
little rascals and props don't mix well.
Have you ever seen what a kid can do to a $600 prop -me let me tell -
you it ain't pretty and WD ain't gonna
send you a new one when they find out what happened. Don't ask me how I know.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
What??? Am I reading this right??? lol What about the JABIRU??
chris ambrose
M3X-Jabiru
N327CS
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
The lower frequency noises produced by the Jabiru are also much easer to
filer out with available ANR headsets.>>
Hi,
thanks for the input but its not the noise in the cockpit , it is the
noise outside which is the problem.
Noise problems are probably more important in Europe than they are in
the US. All microlights have to pass a noise test and have a certificate
issued and the Kolb, and my old Challenger with the 503, only just
squeaked in.
Most complaints from groups trying to get airfields closed, and there
are a lot of them, are based on the noise factor.
Were it not for the fact that I have been flying from the same field for
20 years I am sure that the farmer who owns it would have asked me to
move out. I never do circuits. Fire up and fly away is the rule.
I would love to have enough spare weight allowance to cowl the engine
completely.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Pat,
? I think your observations on pushers being louder is obviously accurate.The Lake
amphibian,the Seabee and and the Cessna 337 can all be identified by a blindfolded
librarian at 5 miles range.
???????? G.Aman,still happy about the com.
-----Original Message-----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 5:50 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Jabiru Powered MKIII
The lower frequency noises produced by the Jabiru
are also much easer to filer out with available ANR
headsets.>>
?
Hi,
thanks for the input but its not the noise in the
cockpit , it is the noise outside which is the problem.
Noise problems are probably more important in
Europe than they are in the US. All microlights have to pass a noise test and
have a certificate issued and the Kolb, and my old Challenger with the
503,? only just squeaked in.
?
Most complaints from groups trying to get airfields
closed, and there are a lot of them, are based on the noise factor.
Were it not for the fact that I have been flying
from the same field for 20 years I am sure that the farmer who owns it would
have asked me to move out. I never do circuits. Fire up and fly away ?is
the rule.
?
I would love to have enough spare weight allowance
to cowl the engine completely.
?
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Well Chris,we get our 15 minutes of fame! Are you happy with the Jab?
? G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: ces308 <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 1:00 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
What??? Am I reading this right??? lol What about the JABIRU??
chris ambrose
M3X-Jabiru
N327CS
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Pat & Chris
You need to get out more. Yes our Kolbs are all noisy but in comparison,
Gary's was a bit quieter than some other Kolbs. Seems like Gary has a
barrier right behind the cockpit and his Senrich prop must also help.
Again I'm talking about inside the cockpit. If there were thousands of
planes circling a island all the time I'm sure we would introduce noise
limits too.
As for performance I flew with and watched John W's Jabiru powered Kolbra
fly in and out of a short strip in Michigan's UP. It was noisy and very
under powered, very scary. I know there is 5 more HP in the newer model
Jabirus but that doesn't explain the improvement I have seen in two newer
Jabiru powered MKIIIs. Not 912 level performance but good. The only thing I
can think of is the prop. Now this going to piss the Warp Drive guys off but
it has to be the low performance of the WD prop that John W was using. Sure
do miss John Williamson.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:00 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
>
> What??? Am I reading this right??? lol What about the JABIRU??
>
> chris ambrose
> M3X-Jabiru
> N327CS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242023#242023
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Pat & Chris
>
> You need to get out more. Yes our Kolbs are all noisy but in comparison,
> Gary's was a bit quieter than some other Kolbs. Seems like Gary has a
> barrier right behind the cockpit and his Senrich prop must also help.
>
> Again I'm talking about inside the cockpit. If there were thousands of
> planes circling a island all the time I'm sure we would introduce noise
> limits too.
>
> As for performance I flew with and watched John W's Jabiru powered Kolbra
> fly in and out of a short strip in Michigan's UP. It was noisy and very
> under powered, very scary. I know there is 5 more HP in the newer model
> Jabirus but that doesn't explain the improvement I have seen in two newer
> Jabiru powered MKIIIs. Not 912 level performance but good. The only thing I
> can think of is the prop. Now this going to piss the Warp Drive guys off but
> it has to be the low performance of the WD prop that John W was using. Sure
> do miss John Williamson.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> ---
I'd be more inclined to think it was the lower diameter myself. I think the typical
prop diameter for the jab is 60" or perhaps even less, definitely not a good
climb configuration for the flight characteristics of the Kolb.
Despite the vibration problems I'm having with my WD, the performance is nothing
short of spectacular. And the WD worked really well on my FS II also.
Too bad the jab doesn't have a good gear reduction, a-la the old continental GO-300.
It'd be a monster of a motor for slower climbers I'd be willing to bet.....
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Lucien
It is tip speed, turbulence and a bit of black art of prop design that
determines how much HP is turned into noise. The Jabiru turns its prop at a
higher RPM so it has to turn a smaller diameter prop to keep its tip speed
down. My direct drive VW with a 60" prop would go supersonic at the prop
tips in a heart beat and noise that would wake the dead.
Yes I know your WD is spectacular but you might be surprised just how much
better performance could be had with a more efficient prop. You have so much
extra power with your redrive Rotax that you can be real happy with lower
prop efficiency.
Redrives in airplanes when done right are wonderful. The continental engine
probably did more to hurt the reputation of redrives than anything. Redrives
aren't just great for the slower airplane group. The RR Merlin, and most of
the big radial engines in WWII airplanes had redrives and they were not what
I would call slow airplanes
This is a good rainy day discussion.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:51 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
>
>
> NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
>> Pat & Chris
>>
>> You need to get out more. Yes our Kolbs are all noisy but in comparison,
>> Gary's was a bit quieter than some other Kolbs. Seems like Gary has a
>> barrier right behind the cockpit and his Senrich prop must also help.
>>
>> Again I'm talking about inside the cockpit. If there were thousands of
>> planes circling a island all the time I'm sure we would introduce noise
>> limits too.
>>
>> As for performance I flew with and watched John W's Jabiru powered Kolbra
>> fly in and out of a short strip in Michigan's UP. It was noisy and very
>> under powered, very scary. I know there is 5 more HP in the newer model
>> Jabirus but that doesn't explain the improvement I have seen in two newer
>> Jabiru powered MKIIIs. Not 912 level performance but good. The only thing
>> I
>> can think of is the prop. Now this going to piss the Warp Drive guys off
>> but
>> it has to be the low performance of the WD prop that John W was using.
>> Sure
>> do miss John Williamson.
>>
>> Rick Neilsen
>> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>>
>> ---
>
>
> I'd be more inclined to think it was the lower diameter myself. I think
> the typical prop diameter for the jab is 60" or perhaps even less,
> definitely not a good climb configuration for the flight characteristics
> of the Kolb.
>
> Despite the vibration problems I'm having with my WD, the performance is
> nothing short of spectacular. And the WD worked really well on my FS II
> also.
>
> Too bad the jab doesn't have a good gear reduction, a-la the old
> continental GO-300. It'd be a monster of a motor for slower climbers I'd
> be willing to bet.....
>
> LS
>
> --------
> LS
> Titan II SS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242104#242104
>
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Now this going to piss the Warp Drive guys off but
> it has to be the low performance of the WD prop that John W was using.
> Sure do miss John Williamson.
>
> Rick Neilsen
Rick:
Me too.
John W had to use a very tiny two blade prop with the Jab powered Kolbra.
When he installed the 912ULS, he also added a 68" 3 blade fast taper prop.
I have said many times before. Cruise speed with John W's Jab was about the
same as my mkIII with 912ULS. However, there was absolutely no comparison
between take off and climb between our two airplanes. Took John W forever
to get off the ground and get some altitude.
All that changes when John W upgraded to a 912ULS. He out climbed and out
ran me bad.....
john h
mkIII - Ready to fuel up, load, and head West.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Lucien
>
> It is tip speed, turbulence and a bit of black art of prop design that
> determines how much HP is turned into noise. The Jabiru turns its prop at a
> higher RPM so it has to turn a smaller diameter prop to keep its tip speed
> down. My direct drive VW with a 60" prop would go supersonic at the prop
> tips in a heart beat and noise that would wake the dead.
>
> Yes I know your WD is spectacular but you might be surprised just how much
> better performance could be had with a more efficient prop. You have so much
> extra power with your redrive Rotax that you can be real happy with lower
> prop efficiency.
>
> Redrives in airplanes when done right are wonderful. The continental engine
> probably did more to hurt the reputation of redrives than anything. Redrives
> aren't just great for the slower airplane group. The RR Merlin, and most of
> the big radial engines in WWII airplanes had redrives and they were not what
> I would call slow airplanes
>
> This is a good rainy day discussion.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> ---
Well next week I'll be fitting the strongest pusher on the market to my plane (powerfin
F model) in an effort to debug (hopefully fix) my harmonics problem with
non-IVO props. So I'm expecting the "up" to be very good, tho I'm guessing
(and expecting) it won't do as well in the "forward" department (if it runs smooth,
I won't care).
But yes the WD is a compromise. It has the widest speed range you can get in a
fix pitch so sure it has less thrust at very low speed regimes. But it really
works well overall performance-wise.
When operated right, the geared continental is a fine engine that pulls the 170
and 175 around real well. Back in TX, one of the locals had a 175 with that motor
in it. It was lugged a lot like most of them and had to be given a top somewhere
midway to TBO. But after that, once she learnt how to run it (spin it
up to the 3200 rpm range), it gave her no trouble and the performance of the plane
was fine. But you're right it got a bad rap because of poor training in its
use.
I appreciate the Jab's simplicity with the direct drive for sure, but with a redrive
it'd compete pretty well with the 912 series as far as performance on a
wider array of planes, IMO. The 3300 would just be a monster........
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
> Yes I know your WD is spectacular but you might be surprised just how
much
> better performance could be had with a more efficient prop. You have so
> much extra power with your redrive Rotax that you can be real happy with
> lower prop efficiency.
>
>
> Rick Neilsen
How did you come up with this earth shattering bit of info.
I am devastated, having flown so many hours with an inefficient prop.
Guess the other wooden props I flew with were even more inefficient.
Damn, you have ruined my day. How will I ever fly to MV with a WD.
Last year at the Kolb Homecoming, Steven Green challenged me to a flat out
top speed race. We started side by side and stayed that way until I
eventually went full throttle and left Steven, his mkIII, his 912ULS, and
his big Ivo two blade prop.
Still looking for something better, but haven't found it yet.
Wonderful blue bird afternoon at hauck's holler, alabama.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
John
Really didn't want to ruin your day but I know you are just joking.
The first bit of info came from Steve Bennet at Great Plains Aircraft. He
did a apples to apples comparison test as close as he could with Warp Drive,
PowerFin, and IVO props. The IVO gave the least thrust, then Warp Drive,
then PowerFin giving the most.
The second comes from my not to scientific observations of Warp Drive and
Senrich props on Jabiru powered Kolbs. The performance is considerably
better than John W got with his Kolbra and that 5 extra HP wouldn't account
for all of it. Again a redrive on a Jabiru would help a bunch more.
I also know first hand that wood props can be turned into real expensive
tooth picks. It is also worth knowing that you can put objects through the
prop and still fly home.
Have a great safe flight.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
>
>
> > Yes I know your WD is spectacular but you might be surprised just how
> much
>> better performance could be had with a more efficient prop. You have so
>> much extra power with your redrive Rotax that you can be real happy with
>> lower prop efficiency.
>>
> >
>> Rick Neilsen
>
>
> How did you come up with this earth shattering bit of info.
>
> I am devastated, having flown so many hours with an inefficient prop.
>
> Guess the other wooden props I flew with were even more inefficient.
>
> Damn, you have ruined my day. How will I ever fly to MV with a WD.
>
> Last year at the Kolb Homecoming, Steven Green challenged me to a flat out
> top speed race. We started side by side and stayed that way until I
> eventually went full throttle and left Steven, his mkIII, his 912ULS, and
> his big Ivo two blade prop.
>
> Still looking for something better, but haven't found it yet.
>
> Wonderful blue bird afternoon at hauck's holler, alabama.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Well, If you expect anything to go thru the Powerfin & still fly home-good
luck [not saying anything about performance].
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
In a message dated 4/30/2009 4:03:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net writes:
I also know first hand that wood props can be turned into real expensive
tooth picks. It is also worth knowing that you can put objects through the
prop and still fly home.
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So, how much? And is the prop the Rotax 912S pattern?
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
In a message dated 4/28/2009 11:09:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes:
I am selling the prop, and extension, with everything needed to mount it
to a Rotax 912-s. Its a 72 inch prop.
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Howard
I had a 9/16 X 2.5 in bolt go through my PowerFin and it got me the
remaining 400 miles home. I had the damaged blade at the Kolb Homecoming
a few years ago. In all honesty it hit mid span and did put a big ding
in the blade so I guess I had your "good luck".
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: HShack(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Well, If you expect anything to go thru the Powerfin & still fly
home-good luck [not saying anything about performance].
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
In a message dated 4/30/2009 4:03:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net writes:
I also know first hand that wood props can be turned into real
expensive
tooth picks. It is also worth knowing that you can put objects
through the
prop and still fly home.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
> The first bit of info came from Steve Bennet at Great Plains Aircraft. He
> did a apples to apples comparison test as close as he could with Warp
> Drive, PowerFin, and IVO props. The IVO gave the least thrust, then Warp
> Drive, then PowerFin giving the most.
>
>
> Rick Neilsen
I wouldn't bet all my apples on a "static" test. It tells only how much
force is applied to a scale, not what the prop is actually doing in a flying
situation a a specific airplane.
My WD will pull 5400 rpm static, the way it is set now. Soon after I start
my takeoff roll it pulls 100 rpm off the engine. Probably because the air
is getting cleaner and it is getting a better bite. How important is that
in comparison? I haven't the slightest idea, but it does it.
I am not an engineer. I get my info from getting in the air and flying. ;-
john h
mkIII
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| From: | Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
We just had a big discussion on the FlyGeo list, to include a fellow that some
empirical testing. I personally was not happy with the methodology but his very
careful analysis of props and settings concluded that any criticism of major
brands is groundless, and if there are any performance issues with props they
are a result of nothing more than either pilot technic or proper settings or
propeller for the HP.
That some fellow that has some vested interest in selling props rigged the test
to give the results he wanted is not new or news.
rest assured that any of the major props will deliver the same performance and
any deviations will be the result of something other than the prop itself.
Now if old Yehoopetz built a prop in his pig barn overnight which performed no
better than pig slurry, and then said X-prop was so much better than his 2x4 Bladed
Pig Barn Special, I would hold from concluding anything about the excellence
of X-prop.
Ron @ KFHU
=========================================
---- Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
============
John
Really didn't want to ruin your day but I know you are just joking.
The first bit of info came from Steve Bennet at Great Plains Aircraft. He
did a apples to apples comparison test as close as he could with Warp Drive,
PowerFin, and IVO props. The IVO gave the least thrust, then Warp Drive,
then PowerFin giving the most.
The second comes from my not to scientific observations of Warp Drive and
Senrich props on Jabiru powered Kolbs. The performance is considerably
better than John W got with his Kolbra and that 5 extra HP wouldn't account
for all of it. Again a redrive on a Jabiru would help a bunch more.
I also know first hand that wood props can be turned into real expensive
tooth picks. It is also worth knowing that you can put objects through the
prop and still fly home.
Have a great safe flight.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
>
>
> > Yes I know your WD is spectacular but you might be surprised just how
> much
>> better performance could be had with a more efficient prop. You have so
>> much extra power with your redrive Rotax that you can be real happy with
>> lower prop efficiency.
>>
> >
>> Rick Neilsen
>
>
> How did you come up with this earth shattering bit of info.
>
> I am devastated, having flown so many hours with an inefficient prop.
>
> Guess the other wooden props I flew with were even more inefficient.
>
> Damn, you have ruined my day. How will I ever fly to MV with a WD.
>
> Last year at the Kolb Homecoming, Steven Green challenged me to a flat out
> top speed race. We started side by side and stayed that way until I
> eventually went full throttle and left Steven, his mkIII, his 912ULS, and
> his big Ivo two blade prop.
>
> Still looking for something better, but haven't found it yet.
>
> Wonderful blue bird afternoon at hauck's holler, alabama.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
--
kugelair.com
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Its my understanding that the new Jabs have 10 to 15 more hp than John
Ws early model, not 5 more.
So maybe its not just the props that make a differance.
Dennis Rowe
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
I notice that Culver Props recommends 56 to 62 inch dia props for
Vw's and Jabiru engines.. This is a big efficiency hit ... Redrive
those engines and one can likely turn a 68 to 72 inch prop... Herb
At 07:05 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
>Its my understanding that the new Jabs have 10 to 15 more hp than
>John Ws early model, not 5 more.
>So maybe its not just the props that make a differance.
>
>Dennis Rowe
>
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Ted emailed me a couple days ago about this prop, so I will give him first shot
at it. Given what he has been through, I think he need to try a new prop to
see if it solves his problem.
So here is what I will do Ted, if you want the prop, I will sell it to you. If
it works and you are happy with it, great ! If it does not help your plane at
all, and you are just as happy with your Warp Drive, send it back to me undamaged,
and I will give you your money back minus the shipping. Basically this
lets you try the prop risk free, and we are all protected financially.
It is a nice and beautiful prop, I think you will like it. Weather it will solve
your problem or not is anyones guess, but this gives you a way to find out.
Its a 72 inch prop, I had been keeping it for a spare, it is a very nice prop
with beautiful craftsmanship and black finish, it just worries me that its so
light. Let me know if this works for you
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
LS,
? the 1200hr TBO did not help the 175 much.It's an 0-300,150 hp that makes an extra
25hp if you spin it up another 500rpm.Never saw one in a 170,it needed that
hump in the cowling to clear the gearcase.
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From: lucien <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 3:18 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Lucien
>
> It is tip speed, turbulence and a bit of black art of prop design that
> determines how much HP is turned into noise. The Jabiru turns its prop at a
> higher RPM so it has to turn a smaller diameter prop to keep its tip speed
> down. My direct drive VW with a 60" prop would go supersonic at the prop
> tips in a heart beat and noise that would wake the dead.
>
> Yes I know your WD is spectacular but you might be surprised just how much
> better performance could be had with a more efficient prop. You have so much
> extra power with your redrive Rotax that you can be real happy with lower
> prop efficiency.
>
> Redrives in airplanes when done right are wonderful. The continental engine
> probably did more to hurt the reputation of redrives than anything. Redrives
> aren't just great for the slower airplane group. The RR Merlin, and most of
> the big radial engines in WWII airplanes had redrives and they were not what
> I would call slow airplanes
>
> This is a good rainy day discussion.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> ---
Well next week I'll be fitting the strongest pusher on the market to my plane
(powerfin F model) in an effort to debug (hopefully fix) my harmonics problem
with non-IVO props. So I'm expecting the "up" to be very good, tho I'm guessing
(and expecting) it won't do as well in the "forward" department (if it runs
smooth, I won't care).
But yes the WD is a compromise. It has the widest speed range you can get in a
fix pitch so sure it has less thrust at very low speed regimes. But it really
works well overall performance-wise.
When operated right, the geared continental is a fine engine that pulls the 170
and 175 around real well. Back in TX, one of the locals had a 175 with that
motor in it. It was lugged a lot like most of them and had to be given a top
somewhere midway to TBO. But after that, once she learnt how to run it (spin it
up to the 3200 rpm range), it gave her no trouble and the performance of the
plane was fine. But you're right it got a bad rap because of poor training in
its use.
I appreciate the Jab's simplicity with the direct drive for sure, but with a
redrive it'd compete pretty well with the 912 series as far as performance on a
wider array of planes, IMO. The 3300 would just be a monster........
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Denny, they claim 85 for the 2200 @3300rpm I believe,but the 3300 is still 20hp
per cyl.Mine only shows 3100on the tack on takeoff,so who knows what it's really
making.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 8:05 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Its my understanding that the new Jabs have 10 to 15 more hp than John Ws
early model, not 5 more.
So maybe its not just the props that make a differance.
?
Dennis Rowe
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Gary,
I have heard it said that the early 2200 only produced around 70-75hp,
but the new ones are a strong 85hp.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Denny, they claim 85 for the 2200 @3300rpm I believe,but the 3300 is
still 20hp per cyl.Mine only shows 3100on the tack on takeoff,so who
knows what it's really making.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 8:05 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Its my understanding that the new Jabs have 10 to 15 more hp than John
Ws early model, not 5 more.
So maybe its not just the props that make a differance.
Dennis Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Hauck's right; static test doesn't mean much.
Friend of mine w/ FS II, 503 w/ B box, 2.58:1 & 66" wood Tennessee prop
out-pulled me by 20 lbs. Mine is FS II w/ C box 3.47:1 & WD 3 blade taper
tip 68". My plane at gross outweighs his by 70 lbs, yet I outclimb & outrun
him. Better fuel mileage, too.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
In a message dated 4/30/2009 6:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
The first bit of info came from Steve Bennet at Great Plains Aircraft. He
> did a apples to apples comparison test as close as he could with Warp
> Drive, PowerFin, and IVO props. The IVO gave the least thrust, then Warp
> Drive, then PowerFin giving the most.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
HShack(at)aol.com wrote:
> Well, If you expect anything to go thru the Powerfin & still fly home-good luck
[not saying anything about performance].
>
> Howard Shackleford
> FS II
>
The powerfins exploding when something goes through them is a little bit of an
urban legend, tell the truth. Far more of them have eaten their share of rocks,
parts, etc. and stayed together just fine than have blown up.
My powerfin F 2 blade on my PPC ate a screw out of the fan shroud on the 503 at
full power and I didn't know anything had happened until the next preflight.
Saw a white ding in the leading edge and the missing screw in the shroud. It ate
some rocks here and there too, I just epoxied over the dings and kept on flying
it.
His newer blades are even a little heftier and also weigh a bit more. I still have
my spare 68" and its easy to see the blades are pretty stout despite their
light weight.
This is strictly a fly more/worry less type situation as well, as the PF is a fine
prop quality-wise. It's also the strongest pusher on the market by a little
bit, tho I think the WD far and away has the widest speed range....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
HShack(at)aol.com wrote:
> Hauck's right; static test doesn't mean much.
>
> Friend of mine w/ FS II, 503 w/ B box, 2.58:1 & 66" wood Tennessee prop out-pulled
me by 20 lbs. Mine is FS II w/ C box 3.47:1 & WD 3 blade taper tip 68".
My plane at gross outweighs his by 70 lbs, yet I outclimb & outrun him.
Better fuel mileage, too.
>
> Howard Shackleford
> FS II
>
Agreed, the static thrust isn't too good of a measurement of how the prop will
perform with some air going through the prop disk, on the plane etc.
I.e my WD 68" I can hold back with the brakes in a static runup, but I couldn't
hold back the IVO 66" at full power at all. It would scoot down the ramp even
holding the brakes hard as I could.
But the WD outclimbes the IVO by somewhere around 100fpm, where it's fully unstalled.
The speed range and top speed of the WD continues to shock and amaze me, giving
almost 100mph at about 5100 rpm. This required full throttle with the IVO at
about 5300 to go that fast.
BTW, the harmonics do almost go away at steady state 5070-5100 rpm cruise right
as I approach 100mph too....
LS
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Titan II SS
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
A friend is taking his challenger and his girlfriend with him.
In a message dated 4/27/2009 7:39:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
zeprep251(at)aol.com writes:
John,
The wife wants to know if she will be the only girl there?I suggested she
bake a batch of her toll house cookies,to share and that would pretty much
guarantee her plenty of company.She said that's not what she meant! But I
will keep working on the cookie angle just in case.Hope to see you all about
the 14th .
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
This one is for Jet Pilot:
Okay, you just have to answer one question: How much? I dont want to take
a cady out for a test drive until I know how much it will cost me if I get
the habbit. Let me know. We may have a deal. Thanks. Ted Cowan,
Alabama, slingshot 912UL. By the way, talked to Daryl at WD yesterday and
he agreed that the 70 inch prop was too big, that they were under the
impression I had a 912S or something. He is going to make and send me a new
set of 68 inch props. Thinks this might solve most of my problems. Like I
said, I could not go back to him without some kind of PROOF. Have a good
one, ya'll.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
> My powerfin F 2 blade on my PPC ate a screw out of the fan shroud on the
503 at full power and I didn't know anything had happened until the next
preflight. Saw a white ding in the leading edge and the missing screw in the
shroud. It ate some rocks here and there too, I just epoxied over the dings
and kept on flying it.
>
> This is strictly a fly more/worry less type situation as well, as the PF
is a fine prop quality-wise. It's also the strongest pusher on the market by
a little bit, tho I think the WD far and away has the widest speed range....
>
> LS
Lucien:
A small screw and a few pebbles should not take out any prop, fiberglass,
wood, or carbon fiber.
I don't know what went through my GSC 3 blade wooden prop with urethane
leading edges on my 582 powered mkIII, but it took out all three blades that
impacted on the tailboom (rendering the tailboom unserviceable). Probably
the double K&N air filter, but I will never know for sure. Shook so hard
before it shut down it slung both carbs and broke the starter off the bell
housing. Only thing holding the starter on was the battery cable. Throttle
and Choke Cables were holding on the carbs. Never did find the air cleaner.
This happened at WOT while climbing for altitude.
That's when I decided I needed something a little more substantial to fly
with because its job was to connect the engine to the air.
Again, WOT, put an 18" piece of 1.5" exhaust pipe through my Warp Drive.
Pip had a 180 and a 90 degree bend in it. Leading edge of one blade caught
the pipe. Immediately got a new vibration. Flew to Wetumpka Airport,
landed, inspected the damage, got back in the mkIII and flew 11 miles home.
Should have taken photos of the old blades I recently sent back to WD. They
were dinged up on all blades when I made the flight to MV last year. I
prearranged with John W to have some urethane tape at MV to cover up most of
the damage. A couple times I caught blades on the edge of the tin roof on
the front of my hanger when pushing the airplane into the hanger. That
always hurts me more than the blades. Especially when it feels like a wheel
is caught on something and I push harder before I realize what I am doing.
I don't know which blade is the toughest, but I feel confident what I fly
with will get me home.
I never claimed my WD prop is the best climber and cruiser, but I am happy
with it, and have been for many years and many flying hours.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
> The speed range and top speed of the WD continues to shock and amaze me,
giving almost 100mph at about 5100 rpm. This required full throttle with the
IVO at about 5300 to go that fast.
>
> LS
Do you have the WD pitched to turn 5,500 rpm at WOT straight and level
flight?
Only way I know to pitch a ground adjustable prop for best climb and cruise.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
>
> Do you have the WD pitched to turn 5,500 rpm at WOT straight and level
> flight?
>
> Only way I know to pitch a ground adjustable prop for best climb and cruise.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Last I tried WOT in level flight It ran about 5650.
It's now set between 13.5 an 14 degs of pitch, which Daryl said was just about
the ideal setting for my general speed range and what I generally want to see.
I get just under 5400 at an 80mph climb and 5300 slowed down to 65mph which is
my Vy.
The whole overall performance is just fantastic.....
LS
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Prop Pitch Adjustment Tool |
While we are talking about props, let me tell you about the Laser Prop Pitch
Tool I used to get all three new blades singing off the same sheet of music.
Initially, I set one blade to the pitch I thought it should be with the Warp
Drive Protractor.
After I quickly and easily slipped the tool on that blade, which was in the
horizontal position, I secured the tool with a spring clamp which, in
addition to holding the tool in place, applied pressure to the laser switch
to keep it in the "on" position.
Positioning the tool on the blade is automatic. Don't need to worry about
not getting it set at the correct spot and angle.
Placed a piece of 2X10 wood a couple feet long on the floor to make a mark
on with a felt tip marker at the pin point of laser light.
It was easy to repeat this two more times.
All three blades are all the same pitch.
After a short test flight, realized I needed another degree of pitch.
Repitching was quick and easy with this very light weight fiber glass tool
Scott/Icrash Icrashrc(at)aol.com designed and fabricated.
I liked it so much Scott decided to let me keep it rather than hear me whine
if I had to send it back to him. In the process Scott told me he would be
glad to make up as many of these as necessary to help other folks get their
ground adjustable props calibrated easily and correctly.
Can't have mine.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Jmmy Hankinson" <jhankin(at)planters.net> |
Help!!
I know someone can help-I need to know the torque value of the bolts used to
hold the 447 "B" gearbox together.
There are six bolts: Hex Screws # (2) 8X125, (2) 8x110, (2) 8x65.
I have a oil drip and I want to re-torque these bolts first. If this
doesn't fix the problem I will replace the gasket.
Also need the torque value for the prop bolts, Tennessee wooden prop.
Where can these torque values be found.
Jimmy Hankinson
FF035, N6007L
325 Hours
Pegasus Field
Rocky Ford, Ga.
912 863 7384
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| Subject: | Re: Torque setting |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Jimmy, Go to the Illustrated Parts Catalogue. It has torque requirements fo
r
every screw or bolt used by Rotax.
Rick
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jmmy Hankinson wrote
:
> *Help!!*
>
> * *
>
> *I know someone can help=97I need to know the torque value of the bolts u
sed
> to hold the 447 =93B=94 gearbox together.*
>
> * *
>
> *There are six bolts: Hex Screws # (2) 8X125, (2) 8x110, (2) 8x65.*
>
> * *
>
> *I have a oil drip and I want to re-torque these bolts first. If this
> doesn=92t fix the problem I will replace the gasket.*
>
> * *
>
> *Also need the torque value for the prop bolts, Tennessee wooden prop.*
>
> * *
>
> *Where can these torque values be found.*
>
> * *
>
> *Jimmy Hankinson*
>
> *FF035, N6007L*
>
> *325 Hours*
>
> *Pegasus Field*
>
> *Rocky Ford, Ga.*
>
> *912 863 7384*
>
> * *
>
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> *
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Torque setting |
well....I went to the Tenn Prop site , thinking I
would find their recommendation...no
luck...Memory tells me that it is 10 to 12 ft lbs... Herb
At 10:06 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote:
>Help!!
>
>I know someone can help=ADI need to know the
>torque value of the bolts used to hold the 447 =93B=94 gearbox together.
>
>There are six bolts: Hex Screws # (2) 8X125, (2) 8x110, (2) 8x65.
>
>I have a oil drip and I want to re-torque these
>bolts first. If this doesn=92t fix the problem I will replace the gasket.
>
>Also need the torque value for the prop bolts, Tennessee wooden prop.
>
>Where can these torque values be found.
>
>Jimmy Hankinson
>FF035, N6007L
>325 Hours
>Pegasus Field
>Rocky Ford, Ga.
>912 863 7384
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Torque setting |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
LEAF's most recent parts catalog (2007-2008 Resource Guide) has table of torques
for the various engines on page 91. It lists the torques for bolts based on
diameter with an exception list by part number below that. I've attached an image
of the top of that page.
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Buffalo, NY
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Gary,
so far I am very impressed with the Jabiru I like the way it runs,its smooth and
seems quiet to me....and from hearing what these other guys are getting with
the 912's,it seems pretty equal to them...I will have test flight numbers up
here soon. I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the beast...pushers
are noisier and thats it.My M3X is already twice as good or better
than my 172 .I am really looking forword to the test flights!
chris ambrose
M3X/jab
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
Chris,
I am just starting my MKIII X and am very curious on the Jabiru, as the Rotax is
above my pay grade at this point.... I would like to hear your experiences.
Do you have a builder site?
Fran Losey
Fran.losey(at)alber.com
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Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Gary,
so far I am very impressed with the Jabiru I like the way it runs,its smooth and
seems quiet to me....and from hearing what these other guys are getting with
the 912's,it seems pretty equal to them...I will have test flight numbers up
here soon. I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the beast...pushers
are noisier and thats it.My M3X is already twice as good or better
than my 172 .I am really looking forword to the test flights!
chris ambrose
M3X/jab
N327CS
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the
beast...pushers are noisier and thats it.
>
> chris ambrose
Bruce Chesnut flew the Kolb Sport Flyer at Sun and Fun this year. As you
all know, it is a tractor powered with a 912uls and pulled along by a Warp
Drive 3 blade fast taper prop. The first flyby Bruce made I thought he had
the throttle pulled back to idle, but he was maintaining altitude and
airspeed. The Flyer was in stealth mode compared to a MKIII pusher. A
very, very quiet airplane.
However, there is a price to pay for stealth mode. That is a small
windshield, high glare shield, and always looking through the prop.
MKIII has extremely good visibility. Easy to get spoiled flying a Kolb
pusher.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Chris,
?After you get some time on it,you can work at the noise control.I'll share some
things that I tried that worked and some that didn't,maybe save you some time.I
like the Jabiru but for the prop noise.I can control it IN the cockpit,but
the neighbors are gonna have to live with it.
????????? Good luck with the test flying!
??????????????????????? G.Aman
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From: ces308 <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 4:51 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Gary,
so far I am very impressed with the Jabiru I like the way it runs,its smooth
and seems quiet to me....and from hearing what these other guys are getting with
the 912's,it seems pretty equal to them...I will have test flight numbers up
here soon. I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the
beast...pushers are noisier and thats it.My M3X is already twice as good or
better than my 172 .I am really looking forword to the test flights!
chris ambrose
M3X/jab
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | zeprep251(at)AOL.COM |
John,
?? My friend has a Savanah 912uls IVO medium prop.The kit came from Italy and meets
European noise control standards.It is unbelievably quiet when it flies overhead.
??????????????????????? G.Aman
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From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Fri, 1 May 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
?
I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the
beast...pushers are noisier and thats it.?
>?
> chris ambrose?
?
?
Bruce Chesnut flew the Kolb Sport Flyer at Sun and Fun this year. As you
all know, it is a tractor powered with a 912uls and pulled along by a Warp
Drive 3 blade fast taper prop. The first flyby Bruce made I thought he had
the throttle pulled back to idle, but he was maintaining altitude and
airspeed. The Flyer was in stealth mode compared to a MKIII pusher. A
very, very quiet airplane.?
?
However, there is a price to pay for stealth mode. That is a small
windshield, high glare shield, and always looking through the prop.?
?
MKIII has extremely good visibility. Easy to get spoiled flying a Kolb
pusher.?
?
john h?
mkIII ?
?
?
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Pitch Adjustment Tool |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
That is awesome. Given the long distance to the floor, the laser would be much
more sensitive than any protractor would be, and the pitch could be set much
more precisely with the laser.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Pitch Adjustment Tool |
> That is awesome. Given the long distance to the floor, the laser would
be much more sensitive than any protractor would be, and the pitch could be
set much more precisely with the laser.
>
> Mike
Mike:
That is exactly what Scott's instrument did for me.
Was the quickest I have ever synch'd all three blades and the closest I have
ever gotten them all to the same pitch.
Well worth $30.00. I got mine. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| From: | Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
Another alternative is the Geo motor. You can check it out on
--- http://www.airtrikes.net/engines.shtml ---
I would suggest that you buy the completed kit and specify the 1.3 liter 16 valves.
Vassily is pretty good at getting the complete unit, but not as good at public
relations. :-)
I opted for the 1.3 16 valves double overhead cams, rated at around 110 hp, I can
always de-rate it if I have to.
You will need to modify the mount from that single tube rotax mount but its easy
to do I have the photos from my modification.
Ron @ KFHU
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---- loseyf(at)comcast.net wrote:
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Chris,
I am just starting my MKIII X and am very curious on the Jabiru, as the Rotax is
above my pay grade at this point.... I would like to hear your experiences.
Do you have a builder site?
Fran Losey
Fran.losey(at)alber.com
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From: ces308
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Sent: May 1, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Gary,
so far I am very impressed with the Jabiru I like the way it runs,its smooth and
seems quiet to me....and from hearing what these other guys are getting with
the 912's,it seems pretty equal to them...I will have test flight numbers up
here soon. I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the beast...pushers
are noisier and thats it.My M3X is already twice as good or better
than my 172 .I am really looking forword to the test flights!
chris ambrose
M3X/jab
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII |
| From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
Thanks Ron I will take a look.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 16:10:10
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Another alternative is the Geo motor. You can check it out on
--- http://www.airtrikes.net/engines.shtml ---
I would suggest that you buy the completed kit and specify the 1.3 liter 16 valves.
Vassily is pretty good at getting the complete unit, but not as good at public
relations. :-)
I opted for the 1.3 16 valves double overhead cams, rated at around 110 hp, I can
always de-rate it if I have to.
You will need to modify the mount from that single tube rotax mount but its easy
to do I have the photos from my modification.
Ron @ KFHU
=================
---- loseyf(at)comcast.net wrote:
============
Chris,
I am just starting my MKIII X and am very curious on the Jabiru, as the Rotax is
above my pay grade at this point.... I would like to hear your experiences.
Do you have a builder site?
Fran Losey
Fran.losey(at)alber.com
------Original Message------
From: ces308
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: May 1, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru Powered MKIII
Gary,
so far I am very impressed with the Jabiru I like the way it runs,its smooth and
seems quiet to me....and from hearing what these other guys are getting with
the 912's,it seems pretty equal to them...I will have test flight numbers up
here soon. I think the noise these things make are just the nature of the beast...pushers
are noisier and thats it.My M3X is already twice as good or better
than my 172 .I am really looking forword to the test flights!
chris ambrose
M3X/jab
N327CS
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242339#242339
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| Subject: | 912ULS integrated alternator question |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi all,
I'm curious for the 912 gurus, is it ok for the integrated alternater on the 912
series to have no load on it? I just discovered last night that my reg/rect
is long since burnt out. At least for the last 3 or 4 operating hours anyway.
finally smelled a rat after yesterday's flight that the battery took a bunch of
charge where some several flights before it was still most of the way charged
after the same electrics were used. My voltage would always run low when I had
the electrics on so didn't notice it on the voltmeter either.
I checked the stator resistance with my ohmmeter according to the heavy maint.
manual and that looks correct. Also ran er up with the meter hooked to the two
generator leads and got a good 15 volts AC at high idle, on up to 25 and more
as I revved it up. So the stator appears to be undamaged.
Can't find anything in the manuals about any adverse affects of operating the alternator
with no load, which is what the case has been for a bit now. Anyone
know? I assume it's ok since it's just a coil of wire with no current flow due
to the open circuit.
Ordering new R/R on Monday. Plane is just getting newer and newer all the time!
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Mark 3 Classic for Sale |
Hi All, I`m selling one of my Mark-3C`s, it is listed at :
www.barnstormers.com
Jim Kmet
Cookeville, TN
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Mark 3 Classic for Sale |
Hi Jim=2C
Be sure you don't accidently sell the one with your new Rotax 912 on it.
(he he)
Mike Welch
MkIII
From: jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark 3 Classic for Sale
Date: Sat=2C 2 May 2009 19:56:23 -0500
Hi All=2C I`m selling one of my Mark-3C`s=2C it is listed at :
www.barnstormers.com
Jim Kmet
Cookeville=2C TN
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| Subject: | Re: Torque setting |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
jhankin(at)planters.net wrote:
> Help!!
> I know someone can helpI need to know the torque value of the bolts used to hold
the 447 B gearbox together.
> There are six bolts: Hex Screws # (2) 8X125, (2) 8x110, (2) 8x65.
> I have a oil drip and I want to re-torque these bolts first. If this doesnt
fix the problem I will replace the gasket.
> Also need the torque value for the prop bolts, Tennessee wooden prop.
> Where can these torque values be found.
>
> Jimmy Hankinson
>
Jimmy,
I took the Rotax 2 stroke class last month. They provided a repair manual. In
the manual when it talks about reassembling the B gearbox it says:
"Attach cover with 6 hex hd screws M8 and spring washer and tighten crosswise to
24 Nm (210 in. lb.)"
Where exactly is it leaking?
I'm sure you know this, but the oil is to be filled only to the lower drain plug.
When I first checked my plane after buying it they had filled it up too much.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | If you care to follow the MV trip |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hello List,
If you care to follow the gaggle flight to MV, I have created a very simple little
blog.
http://kolbadventures.blogspot.com
Check the Links out. There is a google map with our proposed flight plan to MV
and then to the Rock House. Everyone can get to Google maps vs some of the aviation
flight planners.
This is my first attempt at this stuff. I'm not a "techo geek" and am learning
as I go. This was really created to let family (mostly wife) keep tabs on me.
I'm hoping "a picture is worth a thousand words" will help keep the phone calls
home to a tolerable duration. It may seem overly simplified because it is
intended primarily for non-aviators to look at.
I found that I can do all this with my very basic cell phone (no fancy I-phone).
I'm not lugging a laptop around and posting long dissertations daily. Just
a few short text messages and pics as we go. The quality won't be that great
using the phone but OK enough to give an idea of what we are up to. If I get
access to a computer and can log in, I might have a few good stories that I can
post. I'm sure there will be one or two at least. Some in the gaggle flight
"never play with a full deck" [Wink]
Made a short flight today and posted some as we went. This will give an idea of
what to expect. For me personally, I couldn't wait till the guys got back to
see pictures of the places they had been on their trips to MV and beyond.
Please don't be too critical on the quality of post. I won't get to edit and fix
pictures before I send them. I can barely see that little screen in the daylight!
Also, won't be responding to any comments real time but you are welcome
to contribute. I'll look at them when we get back.
I got a little "Arty Envy" and really enjoyed following Arty on her blog documenting
her adventure. She is something, stuck out on the front of that Drifter
all the way across the country and back. Hope some of you enjoy following along.
That is the intent.
9 days and a wake up!
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
Landing a plane and being married - a few smooth moments mixed with a lot of rough
ones.
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| Subject: | Advice on headsets |
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