Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-it

August 19, 2009 - August 28, 2009



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From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Flying the range, looking for cows in the three forks area
of Owyhee
Date: Aug 19, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cqp3PrUQUg I uploaded a short video of the Three Forks area of the Owyhee from an unusual height for me. All the better to see cows at, not on video of course, but to the naked eye. Larry C ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC
Date: Aug 19, 2009
> An extra Kolb III nose cone will cause the Classic to fly better, but it is a challenge to adapt the nose to let it fit. Good luck with your search. Vic Gibson > Vic: How did you come up with the Xtra nose cone making an original MKIII fly better? john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
From: "Carl Tosh" <carl.tosh(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2009
Yes, the filter,water separator on ebay for Kawasaki looks to use the same mesh filter as the two I have. I have one with hose barbs as in the picture and one that has barbs at a right angle. Both have the same filter size. Don't know what a new filter costs but,shouldn't have to buy many as they are well made and cleanable. Works for a poor boy anyway. Carl -------- mongsterone Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258746#258746 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <apilot(at)surewest.net>
Subject: Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC....reason
Date: Aug 19, 2009
The reason that a flatter bottom surface on the nose cone is better for speed and economy is because the bottom surface surfs at cruise speed. The wider it is, the better it surfs and the induced drag created by the horizontal stab and elevator to hold the nose up is reduced due to the uplift force on the nose. Parasite or profile drag is usually less than induced drag. There is a limit to the benefit of fuselage strakes or flat bottom nose cones, but I do not know what it is. Vic Gibson (Mk III Classic) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC....reason
Date: Aug 19, 2009
> The reason that a flatter bottom surface on the nose cone is better for speed and economy is because the bottom surface surfs at cruise speed. Vic Gibson (Mk III Classic) What about the top of the big flat nose? john h ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mike have no fear fuel filter.
Date: Aug 19, 2009
> Given the fact that so many flying machine accidents are caused by some > type of fuel problem, my choice is to be very careful in that area. > Use good fresh clean fuel, clean cans, good fuel line with good clamps, a > nice big fuel filter that is capable of collecting lots of crud before > plugging etc. > > -------- > Ron Lee Ron L: Good post. I might add: Take a fuel sample in a clean, clear container before the first flight each day, and if there is any doubt about the source of fuel if fueling away from your home field. That was my mistake, both times I lost my 912. Not fuel filter, or lines, or finger strainer, fuel pumps, clamps, but my neglect in taking a good fuel sample after refueling from new, unfamiliar, uncertified sources. When I am on a cross country I usually always refuel out of a pump at an airport, even if it cost more. I'll take on fuel from a service station, out of gas cans, as I do at Monument Valley and also at Larry Cottrell's. In an emergency I'll take it where I can get it, but I will drain a sample, after the fuel settles and see what I have taken on board. Don't want to get bit the third time. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: trying to takeoff
From: "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2009
When taxiing out to the runway yesterday, I was blocked for awhile by some pesky geese .... I really didn't want to mow them down with my powerful Firestar .... Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 960 hours 22 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 1 year flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258758#258758 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/geese_1__140.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/geese_3__177.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2009
Subject: Re: Cockpit controlled trim for Firestar-2 - Request Inputs
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Mahesh, The cockpit adjustable elevator trim tab on a Mini Max I once owned was a pretty simple lash up of a piece of hinge, a cable and an RC bellcrank. Seemed to work okay.One caveat, the trailing edge of the Kolb elevator is made of 5/16" aluminum tubing and there isn't a lot to attach to, or much to control any torque said trim tab would put upon it. You could change that, too, but now you're into uncovering, adding weight, recovering, adding weight, repainting, adding weight......... Not an expert, but why not go with a KISS system like Larry's fixed tab or a bungee system and see if that doesn't get the job done well enough. Rick Girard On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > > At 01:02 PM 8/19/2009, Mahesh Iyer wrote: > >> I wanted some expert advice on building a cockpit controlled trim for my >> Firestar-2. >> >> Can any of you guide me with some good designs that I could use as a >> starting point to build? After flying the Cessna=92s for quite some time , I am >> pampered by the use of the trim wheel and want to build something close to >> it for my Firestar-2. >> > > I built a simple bungee trim for my UltraStar. > > < > http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v486/flyparafan/Kolb/?action=view&cur rent=elevator_trim.jpg > > > > I have aluminum trim tabs on the elevators, set to a slow cruise (about 4 0 > mph) on the theory that I might survive a landing at that speed if the > elevator linkage broke. The bungee adds nose down trim, giving me just > enough for a shallow dive when the front tanks are nearly empty. What yo u > see in the picture is a loop of bungee cord (the black and white striped > lines), which attach to the elevator bellcrank at the rear and a piece of > cord at the front (the red sleeve covers the knots). The cord goes aroun d a > pulley attached to the fuselage frame with a cushioned tube clamp, thence to > a jam cleat (also attached with cushioned clamps) where I set it as > required. Pull back on the line for nose down. Of course a Firestar is > different but the idea would be the same. > > The bungee, pulley, cleat, and red ball on the end of the line are all fr om > West Marine. > > -Dana > -- > If cars had followed the same developmental path as computers, a Rolls > Royce would cost $100, get a million miles per gallon and explode once a > year, killing everyone inside. > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2009
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: trying to takeoff
At 09:13 PM 8/19/2009, you wrote: > >When taxiing out to the runway yesterday, I was blocked for awhile >by some pesky geese .... > >I really didn't want to mow them down with my powerful Firestar .... > >Ralph B My god, you've got to know when to back down & know when to assert you're rights. Most of them ignore all the rules, where I'm from. You obviously had the right of way! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA4Ts9_k8C4 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC....reason
Date: Aug 19, 2009
I prefer flying my original MKIII over any of the MKIIIx's. john h mkIII Just a guess here, guys, since more surface area is more skin drag, but might the improvement have more to do with improving the air flow into the prop? Rick Girard ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Confident With My Equipment
Date: Aug 19, 2009
Hi Gang: I was rambling around my computer tonight and came across this photo of the Owyhee River Canon, approaching Leslie Gulch Boat Ramp. This was on our flight to Oregon last May 2009. This is one of my favorite photos of that area. Brings back some great memories of a wonderful day the Rock House Gang had flying out of Larry Cottrell's place in SE Oregon. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2009
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: For Sale Old Kolb Co FireFly Nose Cone & Gear Leg
Hey folks, Any one need a new unused replacement FireFly nose cone (The Old Kolb Aircraft vintage) or a gear leg, I believe I still have one gear leg on hand. I need to sell these and get them out of the way. If interested email me direct. Located in Dallas TX area. jerb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2009
From: George Thompson <eagle1live(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Confident With My Equipment
Thats nice.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hau ck =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:59:15 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Confident With My Equipmen t=0A=0AHi Gang:=0A=0AI was rambling around my computer tonight and came acr oss this photo of the Owyhee River Canon, approaching Leslie Gulch Boat Ram p.- This was on our flight to Oregon last May 2009.- This is one of my favorite photos of that area.- Brings back some great memories of a wonde rful day the Rock House Gang had flying out of Larry Cottrell's place in SE Oregon.=0A=0Ajohn h=0AmkIIIThats nice=0A=0A_______________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2009
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: trying to takeoff
Possum, Aren't you limited to only 3 rounds in your gun when shooting geese or ducks? Boy, if a low down nasty Sport Pilot types should happen across your video and forward it on to a wild life protection group, your going to be big heap of pig crap explaining this. They'll have the video of those explosive rounds knocking those birds out of the sky. Perpetrator hung, case closed. jerb . At 07:12 PM 8/19/2009, you wrote: >At 09:13 PM 8/19/2009, you wrote: >> >>When taxiing out to the runway yesterday, I was blocked for awhile >>by some pesky geese .... >> >>I really didn't want to mow them down with my powerful Firestar .... >> >>Ralph B > >My god, you've got to know when to back down & know when to >assert you're rights. Most of them ignore all the rules, where I'm from. >You obviously had the right of way! > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA4Ts9_k8C4 > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 20, 2009
Good to see you making progress. I use half flap to take off and let the flaps off at about 300ft AGL. I land with full flap,mainly because I feel I have much better control if landing in gusty or cross wind conditions. Also as most of my flying has been in these very light aircraft I prefer steep arrivals . Its easier to dump height with no engine than it is to try and gain height with no engine. Letting the flaps go, had to think about that one. Mostly take my hand off the throttle and reach up with my left hand.I am left handed and this just feels right.I also like to let off the trim before using the flap, I think this gives me a better feel for pitch control in the flare. This is the way that I do it, others will do it different , I think with your experience you may need to experiment a bit and do it the way you are comfortable with. Sink rate and inertia { or lack of } are two big differences that you will need to get comfortable with. >From my exeriance ,any bad things these Kolbs do are pilot induced .I do have to be mindful that when I fly other microlight aircraft {ultralights } they may not be so forgiving. The only time I have not been comfortable flying the Kolb is when cought in winds gusting up to 40 mph, I found turning into wind to land a most mind focusing experiance . have fun , stay safe up there . Downunder MK111c 503 From: HGRAFF(at)aol.com To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:09 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flight follow-up, Wow, I've been away from the computer for a couple of days and find a regular storm of many outraged responses. Also, as well, intended helpful ones. My, I've been told I have an attitude problem, with the implications I don't appreciate good advice, fly an out of rig, out of CG, not built to plans, porpoising monster into an imminent crash. Guys cool it. The porpoising only lasted 3 - 4 seconds into the first flight, when I over-controlled, surprised by the sensitivity of the pitch. My friend, another GA type had the same problem. Maybe it was my problem for calling this sensitivity "extreme", because I find it at the extreme end of anything I've flown before, excepting maybe the helicopter I owned. Gosh, I only asked the "insane" question if anybody had done anything to reduce this pitch sensitivity. To put some of the feathers down, let me state the CG is normal, Mr. FAA went through the various load calculations to check. This is a straight built classic, without any mods yet. The engine was run in stages for 5 hours, going through the recommended step ups. When it was time for high RPMs the prop was set the specified Static RPM. (Yeah, double checked with a separate optical meter) In regards to the heavy left wing, where I said "strong" force is required to overcome it. Well, what is strong, perhaps the same force required to initiate a bank. I do think one or two trim tabs will cure that. I have a question. For all those sweetheart perfectly trimmed Kolbs, how long will it fly when you remove your hand, or do you still need to switch hands to set the flaps. Oh yes, how many of you use flaps in a normal landing. (considering the acute pwr off sink rate already - flames away!) To be sure, I thank you for and appreciate all your writing efforts. (I'll confess, I did a few quick deletes) Off line I have been in contact with one of yours, a hundreds of hours guy, that has been most helpful. His opening remarks were something like "Hi, when I started out, I had very similar experiences" was a most reassuring msg someone could send to me. Haven't had that much time to work on the Kolb, since its airport is 2 hours away, at Columbia Co. Airport in upstate NY, plus weather has been some fickle. Shall I dare do another follow-up? Herb MarK IIIc, 246KT, 1.3 hrs and going. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Confident With My Equipment
Date: Aug 20, 2009
Great photo Downunder ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:59 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Confident With My Equipment > Hi Gang: > > I was rambling around my computer tonight and came across this photo of > the > Owyhee River Canon, approaching Leslie Gulch Boat Ramp. This was on our > flight to Oregon last May 2009. This is one of my favorite photos of that > area. Brings back some great memories of a wonderful day the Rock House > Gang had flying out of Larry Cottrell's place in SE Oregon. > > john h > mkIII > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flying the range, looking for cows in the three forks area
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From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2009
Good videos as usual, Larry. I bought one those chewing gum cameras like yours from Amazon.com hoping to do some videos from my Slingshot. But it turns out that the advertiser's claim that it is compatible with Macintosh computers is untrue, so I sent it back and got a full refund with no hassle. I have a Sony that works well and will have to rig a mount of some sort to use it. At least it has a remote that I can use in the cabin. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258806#258806 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cockpit controlled trim for Firestar-2 - Request Inputs
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 20, 2009
This one worked pretty good. May work again after I rebuild the airplane... http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSII%20Hot%20Box.html Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258807#258807 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2009
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: trying to takeoff
At 11:47 PM 8/19/2009, you wrote: >Possum, >Aren't you limited to only 3 rounds in your gun when shooting geese or ducks? > >Boy, if a low down nasty Sport Pilot types should happen across your >video and forward it on to a wild life protection group, your going >to be big heap of pig crap explaining this. They'll have the video >of those explosive rounds knocking those birds out of the >sky. Perpetrator hung, case closed. >jerb No, I'm pretty sure it's legal, if you don't have it on "full auto". Look under the LSA regs (I'm a stickler for regulations) see section ..................I forget the section right now. The geese started it with the "Sully" Sullenberger incident anyway! I've sent it in to the Sierra Club and PETA a couple of times for their Nature Film Festival, but they keep bouncing it back? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5232234046747826901 Possum -------- "NO BEER" - Not going as fast as you can? Let me help you out - which way did you come in? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2009
From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Flying the range, looking for cows in the three forks area
of Owyhee Very cool, Larry!- But where's the engine sound? Somehow there's a cowboy yodeling instead of the sweet sound of the engine. Arty www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com =0A =0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing" =0A Helen Keller =0A =0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Larry Cottrell wrote: From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> Subject: Kolb-List: Flying the range, looking for cows in the three forks a rea of Owyhee Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:17 PM =0A=0A =0A =0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cqp3PrUQUg=0A-=0A- =0AI uploaded a short video of the Three Forks area of the =0AOwyhee from a n unusual height for me. All the better to see cows at, not on =0Avideo of course, but to the naked eye.=0ALarry C=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2009
Herb, There are no hard feelings here, I hope you feel welcome on the list. It is full of good people and good information. This is the best source of information on the planet for your Kolb. One thing you need to understand, I took your flight report the only way I could, just as you wrote it. There have been Kolbs flown before that were on the edge of control, and from what you described, that is where you were, a very dangerous condition. If that is not that case, I am very happy, I don't like reading accident reports and fatalities in Kolbs. You also need to know that after a bunch of good advice, you proposed the use of anti servo tabs to correct some of your listed problems... Again a very dangerous option, it should not surprise you in the least you got a very direct and harsh response. Just remember, it was to help you. I have nothing to gain by being hard on you, except for the fact that had everything gone wrong and you had crashed, that I would have been able to sleep at night knowing I did everything I possibly could. First in a nice, and then in a not so gentle way, to get you to rig your plane correctly and safely. No one here will jump all over your case for asking a question, ask away ! I dont use flaps for landing either, My Kolb comes down very quickly without them. I always do my landings from high, and at flight idle all the way down. If that engine is going to quit, many times they like to quit when you pull back the power to idle. Be high enough that you can continue your approach with or without the engine. Its a bit more difficult than the standard 3 degree glideslope with power, but I think its a good technique once you are confident in the airplane. Of course, work up to this, because it does make for a more difficult flare and landing. I learned to fly my Kolb doing normal, partial power approaches, and transitioned over as soon as I felt I could do it without bending the gear. Trim tabs are OK on the ailerons for small changes, I have them on mine for very small corrections, like only the difference between having a passenger or not in the right seat... I also have fixed trim tabs on my elevator, again a very small correction. Be careful, trim tabs can bite you ! Adding to much weight to the control surface can cause flutter, ( anti servo tab on elevator ), and also having a trim tab come lose can easily cause flutter and be fatal. Treat trim tabs with great respect, they can be very dangerous if not attached securely. Done correctly , they can be a great help. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258902#258902 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Confident With My Equipment
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2009
Incredible photo John, something like you would see in a magazine. I bet there would be a lot of happy people here on the list if you would post more of those :) Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258921#258921 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: Flying the range, looking for cows in the three forks area
of Owyhee
Date: Aug 20, 2009
There is no way to win, first I leave out the music, someone wants music, now its too quiet and yodeling to boot? Try humming to your self and making engine noises with your mouth on the next one. :-) Larry (Dangerfield) C ----- Original Message ----- From: TheWanderingWench To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying the range, looking for cows in the three forks area of Owyhee Very cool, Larry! But where's the engine sound? Somehow there's a cowboy yodeling instead of the sweet sound of the engine. Arty ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Date: 08/19/09 18:06:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Confident With My Equipment
Date: Aug 20, 2009
> Incredible photo John, something like you would see in a magazine. I bet there would be a lot of happy people here on the list if you would post more of those :) > > Mike Hi Mike B/Gang: Thanks for the complement. The mission of posting that photo was two fold. First, because I liked it and thought it was a pretty area. Second, it is very hostile terrain with few places to land without tearing up the airplane, and maybe me. This demonstrates my confidence in the equipment I fly. All the equipment I fly, to keep me from having to land in those kinds of places. I acquired that confidence by testing what I fly for many hours in many different parts of the North American Continent, in many different meteorological conditions. I try to maintain the KISS principal, Keep It Simple Stupid. That works much better for me. Here's another exciting photo. I'm trying to teach Larry Cottrell how to hook his seatbelt and shoulder harness at MV 2004. ;-) Thanks again. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Confident With My Equipment
From: "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
Here is my example of "confident with my equipment". Picture of Rainbow Bridge, located about 40 miles west of MV. Roughest terrain I have ever flown over. Hard, steep rock everywhere. Don't think there is a flat spot of over 100 feet for 8 - 10 miles in all directions. I've gotten a lot help and advice from some folks to get my plane and equipment to a point to be able to make this kind of trip! Challenging, but worth every minute. Of all the flying I've done, these long XC's are the real test of pilot and plane. The KISS method helps too when you do have an issue out there, away from home. Sometimes a trip to local Wal-Mart or NAPA can get you going in a few minutes vs a few days or even weeks. Even on a Sunday. Just my humble opinion. This trip, over 4600 sm and +61 hours and not a single mechanical/equipment issue. All I had to do was put good, clean fuel in her. Thanks to those that helped me get there! -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258943#258943 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rainbow_bridge_146.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Confident With My Equipment
Date: Aug 21, 2009
> Picture of Rainbow Bridge, located about 40 miles west of MV. Roughest terrain I have ever flown over. Hard, steep rock everywhere. Don't think there is a flat spot of over 100 feet for 8 - 10 miles in all directions. > > John Bickham Here's a little more info on Rainbow Bridge: http://www.onlineutah.com/rainbowbridgehistory.shtml john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Alaska 2004 Photo
Date: Aug 21, 2009
Came across this one while looking for something else. Got out the map and measured from where I had landed on the beach of the Arctic Ocean, at the site Will Rogers and Wiley Post were killed in 1935, 12 miles south of Barrow, Alaska, to the nearest coast line of Russia. From my left wing tip to Russia is 450 miles southwest. If I had had the courage and capability to fly the Alaskan coast southwest to Wales, AK, I would have been 50 miles from Russia. To get to Wales from Barrow is 480 miles. To fly to Anchorage from Wales would have been 639 miles, with very few gas pumps in between. Hard to comprehend how big Alaska is, and how much complete wilderness there is up there, until you get out there and fly it in a little airplane. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb Photo
Date: Aug 21, 2009
One of my favorites taken by John Williamson at Larry Cottrell's Rock House, landing to the south, downhill, on the departure end of the airstrip. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
On my first flight in N420P, had a notable tendency to yaw right and roll left. That is typical of a MKIII when you are solo in the left seat, and if prop turns clockwise when you are standing at the tail looking forward. Resolved with a trim tab on the rudder turned to the right, and a ground adjustable tab on the right aileron. If you add tabs, you will probably end up adding counterbalances to reduce the tendency of control surfaces to flutter. On my first landing, I got into a momentary PIO just before touchdown, incurred by being too hyper and nervous. Settled down, no further problems. MKIII elevator is sensitive, but that's not a problem unless you are hyper... On Ed's FSII, we also had the pitot and static air above the nosecone for a while, never could get it to get anywhere close to accurate. Ended up putting it below and slightly forward of the nosecone, worked fine. More details here http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm Keep tweaking - Richard Pike MKIII N420P (42oldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258977#258977 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
Richard Pike wrote: > > > On my first flight in N420P, had a notable tendency to yaw right and roll left. That is typical of a MKIII when you are solo in the left seat, and if prop turns clockwise when you are standing at the tail looking forward. Keep tweaking - > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (42oldPoops) > > I have no such problems with my MK III. Weather I am alone or with a 200 pound passenger, I can fly feet on the floor, and ailerons roll the plane very well in both directions. There is a very small roll trim change, due to weight being heavier to one side of the plane, but so small that I can fly it with just two fingers on the stick alone or with passengers... My Kolb is so stable and flys so well, it is well worth to do the research and work to rig your plane properly. My Kolb is as easy to fly in cruise as about any airplane, my first time passengers, even non pilots never have any trouble taking the stick and driving it around the sky in cruise, never needing to touch the rudder pedals, and never any porpoising. I have had experience with flying my MK III out of rig on the first flights, and it was very dicey in Roll control, to the point of being dangerous, but it was very easy to fix by properly aligning the trailing edges of the wing with washers. If your Kolb does not fly nice and stable, do whatever it takes to fix it, because a properly rigged Kolb MK III is very relaxing and docile to fly. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258988#258988 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
That is a cool picture, definitely makes your Kolb look like a bush plane ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258992#258992 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC....reason
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
John H has a higher cruise speed than my MK III Xtra. I also seem to get much more pitch down from my big flat front window and need a lot more up elevator to counteract it. Given what I have seen, I think the MK III Classic is faster with less drag. But I still love my wide cockpit and huge windows :) Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258993#258993 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Just plain ol' Waycross
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
Got to fly a bit this morning (no fog! yeah!) Pretty plain pictures compared to what some of you fly over. But I enjoyed practicing my landings. I needed the practice! Got 7 in before having to head to work. -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258997#258997 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/friday_morn6_at_ays_2009_08_21_121.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/friday_morn5_at_ays_2009_08_21_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/friday_morn3_at_ays_2009_08_21_481.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/friday_morn1_at_ays_2009_08_21_109.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: wieght and balance sheet for My M3X
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
here it is Mike.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259001#259001 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
Date: Aug 21, 2009
> That is a cool picture, definitely makes your Kolb look like a bush plane ! > > Mike Wonder why? Sometimes it acts like a bush plane, especially in the bush. Here's one of the Kolb Camp, Alvord Desert, 2005, in front of the Steens Mountain. This was the first get together of the Rock House Gang, a year prior to there being a Rock House in the family. Larry gave us GPS coordinates to meet on the Alvord. Gary Haley, John Williamson, and I flew from Texas and Alabama for our first camp out on the Alvord. We had a great time with Larry, Karen, and Roger Hankins. Nice looking group of Kolbs, and a damn fine looking camp. I was hooked on the Alvord immediately. I have visited the Alvord six times since 2005. Will be in the Alvord again in a few weeks. I love it. Not many people. ;-) The second photo was a mandatory pit stop in a dry river bed southwest of Baker, CA, on the return flight home from the Alvord, 2005. As a precaution, prior to takeoff, I dug out the sand from the front of the main gear. It was much deeper than I anticipated, but the 800X6 Airtracs did a good job of getting me in and out. Would not land there normally, but this was a semi-emergency. I had flown from near Santa Clarita, CA, non-stop with a full load of coffee. john h mkIII - Almost a bush plane. ;-) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wieght and balance sheet for My M3X
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
let's try this again...... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259002#259002 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: wieght and balance sheet for My M3X
Date: Aug 21, 2009
and again?.......... On 21, Aug 2009, at 3:41 PM, ces308 wrote: > > let's try this again...... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259002#259002 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: group fly out
Date: Aug 21, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
To anyone in the area of the Lake Erie Islands.Saturday A.M.5 or 6 planes of the North coast lite flyers will be heading that way.Our first stop will be Wakeman (I64) about 8:30.If you care to join us, we will be on 123.475 when enroute from Akron Ohio.Not to far for you Rick! ? G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200a ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firestar II Project for sale
From: "special4" <sportsflyer(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
I have to many projects and need the Hangar space. Firestar II project for sale. See ad on Barnstormers. Peter Sonders -------- Sportsflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259025#259025 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestarfuse_167.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HGRAFF(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 21, 2009
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Thanks Richard, As well as the many others, for their encouragement and good advise. You write about exactly as my off line mentor has done, describing very similar experiences. The tabs are still to be tried out and fortunately both ailerons as well as the rudder are already counterbalanced, so the addition of tabs should not raise that much flutter worry. I have adjusted to the elevator sensitivity and have not a problem with it in landing. (I hope it stays that way if turbulence). There is more difficulty with nervous feet after the landing to keep from over-controlling. Somebody said the Mark III steers like a nose-wheel craft and I have to concur with that, it is very precise and responsive. I'm used to "Break-Away" tail wheels like on the Citabria, where after the break only the rudder is in control. Though plain taxiing is banal, in real sharp turns I sure miss the toe brakes. I have difficulties pushing the rudder to its stop, plus getting the heel brake to assist me. Don't laugh, but what I do is push the rudder with one foot and use the other foot to operate the heel brake to assist. (Man, can I see comments flying my way about this!) In regards to the pitot static above the cone, the indications are surely bogus and it will be moved to the bottom in order of business. I am surprised nobody has taken me to task of reporting stall at 42-45, but climbing out at 40. Don't ask me to explain it, I'll just say the indications are silly. Fortunately, I have a very good sense of feel what an aircraft wants to do and are comfortable enough. (Maybe that is because I also hold an International Aerobatic rating {NO, none of that in the Kolb}). Richard, thanks again for sharing your first flight experiences, it is most re-assuring to get it. I don't feel that oddball any more in my first Kolb flying. If someone has a picture of his pitot/static positioning below the cabin, he is satisfied with, would you please send a copy to me off line, because I would like to get it into the correct position with just one hole drilling. Thanks, Herb Mark IIIc, 246KT just 1.3 hrs In a message dated 8/21/2009 11:55:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, richard(at)bcchapel.org writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" On my first flight in N420P, had a notable tendency to yaw right and roll left. That is typical of a MKIII when you are solo in the left seat, and if prop turns clockwise when you are standing at the tail looking forward. Resolved with a trim tab on the rudder turned to the right, and a ground adjustable tab on the right aileron. If you add tabs, you will probably end up adding counterbalances to reduce the tendency of control surfaces to flutter. On my first landing, I got into a momentary PIO just before touchdown, incurred by being too hyper and nervous. Settled down, no further problems. MKIII elevator is sensitive, but that's not a problem unless you are hyper... On Ed's FSII, we also had the pitot and static air above the nosecone for a while, never could get it to get anywhere close to accurate. Ended up putting it below and slightly forward of the nosecone, worked fine. More details here http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm Keep tweaking - Richard Pike MKIII N420P (42oldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258977#258977 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
How remarkable that you are able to have such a perfect MKIII. I am sure that if all of us had MKIII's such as yours, our experiences would be very different that they have been. I remember the the first time I ever met John Hauck, it was at Oshkosh, I talked to him about my MKIII's reluctance to fly hands off without doing something divergent. His reply? "You will never get a MKIII to fly hands off, they just don't do that." In my experience, he was right. We might disagree on some things, but he was dead on the money that time. Just for the heck of it I have gone to the extreme of cranking in 4" of strut length on each lift strut to increase the dihedral to a ridiculous amount, just to see if it would help. Nada. Have not tried the washer trick, but my MKIII requires coordinated use of rudder and ailerons to make it fly well. I guess I am just not up to the level of expertise required to get mine to fly as perfectly as yours. But thankfully I still enjoy it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259029#259029 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 21, 2009
Richard, please share with us the new flight characteristics of the added dihedral. If I change my wing incidence that will be changed as a side effect. I get slower and s l o w e r every year getting around to these things. BTW, I have a very neutral stick in slow cruise but I sure won't be letting go of it. Additionally I need to take the slop out of the little horizontal bolt at the base. It takes very little play to magnify into a lot of slack. One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so many years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different. Good thing I didn't go to a "real" ultralight with all those wires and stuff holding it together. BB On 21, Aug 2009, at 7:37 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > How remarkable that you are able to have such a perfect MKIII. I am > sure that if all of us had MKIII's such as yours, our experiences > would be very different that they have been. > > I remember the the first time I ever met John Hauck, it was at > Oshkosh, I talked to him about my MKIII's reluctance to fly hands > off without doing something divergent. His reply? "You will never > get a MKIII to fly hands off, they just don't do that." In my > experience, he was right. We might disagree on some things, but he > was dead on the money that time. > > Just for the heck of it I have gone to the extreme of cranking in > 4" of strut length on each lift strut to increase the dihedral to a > ridiculous amount, just to see if it would help. Nada. > > Have not tried the washer trick, but my MKIII requires coordinated > use of rudder and ailerons to make it fly well. I guess I am just > not up to the level of expertise required to get mine to fly as > perfectly as yours. But thankfully I still enjoy it. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259029#259029 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
"Richard, please share with us the new flight characteristics of the added dihedral." Waste of time. Accomplishes nothing on a MKIII. Works great on a FSII. "Good thing I didn't go to a "real" ultralight with all those wires and stuff holding it together." BB Used to have a Quicksilver MX, flying that dude in bumpy air was freaky, you could feel all the various airframe parts "shuffling." Had to keep reminding myself that it really was alright, but never really got any real peace of mind about it.. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259035#259035 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 21, 2009
On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:53 PM, robert bean wrote: > One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the > inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds > through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so many > years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different. Huh? "wiggleness" ? On a Kolb? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 21, 2009
Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Photo
John h, Is Wales the point from which Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from? Wow! You flew to Barrow! That's almost out of this world. Great job. Great pics. You can see the curvature of the earth, errrr, I mean the ocean. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive In a message dated 8/21/2009 10:20:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes: If I had had the courage and capability to fly the Alaskan coast southwest to Wales, AK, I would have been 50 miles from Russia. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 21, 2009
> One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the > inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds > through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so many > years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different. > > Good thing I didn't go to a "real" ultralight with all those wires > and stuff holding it together. > BB Most MKIII's don't wiggle in the air. With a few added braces here and there, my old mkIII is very rigid. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Photo
Date: Aug 21, 2009
Bill V/Gang: I don't know about Sarah. She may also have been on Diomede Island. Big Diomede is Russian territory and Little Diomede (or Diomede) is US. They are about 2.5 miles apart. My little MKIII has been north of Point Barrow, northernmost point of the North American Continent in 2001 and 2004. Was in Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay 1994, 2001, and 2004. The old guys on the List know all about those flights, but the newer folks may not realize that one of their own has done some cross country flying, in the same old MKIII. Kolbs have a lot more capability than Homer ever dreamed of, and most Kolb owners and flyers too. Making preliminary plans to fly back to Alaska next summer in the same airplane at the ripe old age of 71, if I can still do it and have fun while I am at it. I had planned to do it this summer, but things did not work out the way I wanted them to. I'd like to fly the west coast of Alaska, but that is a very difficult flight in most any kind of airplane. I'll have to do a lot of study to see if I can make it on available fuel. Fuel will be the biggest problem, followed by weather. Take care, john h mkIII Is Wales the point from which Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from? Wow! You flew to Barrow! That's almost out of this world. Great job. Great pics. You can see the curvature of the earth, errrr, I mean the ocean. Bill Varnes ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
John Hauck wrote: > One of my favorites taken by John Williamson at Larry Cottrell's Rock House, > landing to the south, downhill, on the departure end of the airstrip. > > john h > mkIII Same one as your avatar. Even cooler when so much larger. Imagine that painted on the front of a hanger door! :) -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259043#259043 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
John H. I could sit here and look at hundreds of those pictures... John Bickman put it well when he titled his blog " Living the Dream ". Flying a Kolb around the country with a bunch of other guys every summer, life does not get any better than that. Taking your Trailer and ATV and touring the west has to come in a close second ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259044#259044 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
Date: Aug 21, 2009
> Same one as your avatar. Even cooler when so much larger. Imagine that painted on the front of a hanger door! :) > > -------- > Cristal Waters Ahhhhh! That is what an avatar is. ;-) John W took some more real good photos that day at Larry Cottrell's. We took turns flying and taking photos. Lucky me, John W took much better pictures than I did. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Just plain ol' Waycross
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
cristalclear13 wrote: > . I needed the practice! Got 7 in before having to head to work. I only got in 3 before it got dark yesterday, but I plan to make up for that tomorrow and Sunday :) Good to see you in the air and flying again ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259045#259045 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 21, 2009
Hi Eugene, yes, I know it's not in the dictionary. Maybe the other models don't feel the same way since I have no experience with them. In cruise I can feel the differential waves of air caused by the variable airflow from the aft section of the fuselage. -Xtras may not have as much because of the smoother blend behind the doors. In addition is the wiggle provided by the boom tube and tail assembly. Maybe my boom tube is more flexible than most? Just kidding. That feel is what prevents me from getting friskier with the flight envelope. I know it isn't a defect or problem with structural integrity but it does affect my mental attitude. Each brand of airplane has an individual feel. Cessnas are sloppier than tube frame airplanes. Some big widebodies feel like a whale wubbling through the sky. (747 for sure) The Taylorcraft, even with its very long wings is a nice tight feeling ship. Citabrias feel solid as a rock. They impart a sense of security that may or may not be warranted. They have had a few root rib failures when overstressed. Couldn't say about Stardusters, Christen Eagles or Pitts, never was rich enough to afford one but I imagine the Pitts feels pretty solid. BB On 21, Aug 2009, at 9:47 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:53 PM, robert bean wrote: > >> One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the >> inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds >> through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so >> many years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different. > > > Huh? "wiggleness" ? On a Kolb? > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Photo
Date: Aug 21, 2009
Flying a Kolb around the country with a bunch of other guys every summer, life does not get any better than that. Taking your Trailer and ATV and touring the west has to come in a close second ! > > Mike Mike B: Yep, we have a good time when we get together. We sure miss the many Kolbers we have lost over the last few years. Hopefully, more will come along and take their place. About the only time I fly now days, is my flight West in May, John B's Nauga Fly Around, and maybe Lakeland for Sun and Fun. I don't do much local flying any more. Have other hobbies and chores to keep me busy. I do like to travel and hope to see as many Kolb folks as I can on this next trip West. Here's a couple photos of Homer Kolb flying his 1985 Firestar Oshkosh Grand Champion Ultralight at his farm, 15 June 2007. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2009
Richard Pike wrote: > How remarkable that you are able to have such a perfect MKIII. I am sure that if all of us had MKIII's such as yours, our experiences would be very different that they have been. > > I remember the the first time I ever met John Hauck, it was at Oshkosh, I talked to him about my MKIII's reluctance to fly hands off without doing something divergent. His reply? "You will never get a MKIII to fly hands off, they just don't do that." In my experience, he was right. We might disagree on some things, but he was dead on the money that time. > > > Have not tried the washer trick, but my MKIII requires coordinated use of rudder and ailerons to make it fly well. I guess I am just not up to the level of expertise required to get mine to fly as perfectly as yours. But thankfully I still enjoy it. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) I did my homework, and got excellent advice from John H about rigging my Kolb, and it flys exactly as I describe. It took many flights, lots of experimentation, and a good amount of work to make my plane fly as well possible. It did not happen by itself, and it did not happen overnight, but I kept at it and got it to fly very well. In cruise my wife flys with her feet on the floor and just uses the stick to fly around, my Kolb flys very well with just the stick in cruise flight, turns and all. I fly a lot of passengers, and they have had no trouble driving it around the sky in cruise with just the stick, I keep it simple and enjoyable for them. I don't even have them touch the rudder pedals unless they are interested in learning to takeoff and land. What I never said was that my Kolb was perfect. I also never said that it would fly by itself hands off. The Kolb is a pusher and there has to be some constant control input by the pilot, but it is easy and stable just as I have reported. >From the tone of your message you are obviously doing your best to create doubt about my flight reports. Every time you respond to a post I write, you to try to discredit it an indirect way, either a sarcastic comment, or putting words into my mouth as you did here when you started saying " Perfect " and your bit about flying " hands off " in this post. Whatever old grudge you may have, I don't care about any more and you should just let it go, your need to get a little revenge for something long forgotten is very unbecoming of a priest. I am surprised you are one of the last few people that is trying to keep an old feud going. All that is over as far as I am concerned. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259059#259059 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 22, 2009
Bob, I suppose it is all matter of personal perspective, or individual plane. Compared to my old Pterodactyl (which flapped its wings like a pigeon) my Firestar is solid as a rock. Eugene Z On Aug 21, 2009, at 11:05 PM, robert bean wrote: > > Hi Eugene, yes, I know it's not in the dictionary. Maybe the other > models don't feel the same way since I > have no experience with them. In cruise I can feel the differential > waves of air caused by the variable airflow > from the aft section of the fuselage. -Xtras may not have as much > because of the smoother blend behind the doors. > In addition is the wiggle provided by the boom tube and tail > assembly. Maybe my boom tube is more flexible than most? > Just kidding. > > That feel is what prevents me from getting friskier with the flight > envelope. I know it isn't a defect or problem with structural > integrity but it does affect my mental attitude. > > Each brand of airplane has an individual feel. Cessnas are sloppier > than tube frame airplanes. Some big widebodies feel like > a whale wubbling through the sky. (747 for sure) > The Taylorcraft, even with its very long wings is a nice tight > feeling ship. Citabrias feel solid as a rock. They impart > a sense of security that may or may not be warranted. They have had > a few root rib failures when overstressed. > > Couldn't say about Stardusters, Christen Eagles or Pitts, never was > rich enough to afford one but I imagine the Pitts feels > pretty solid. > BB > > On 21, Aug 2009, at 9:47 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:53 PM, robert bean wrote: >> >>> One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the >>> inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds >>> through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so >>> many years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel >>> different. >> >> >> Huh? "wiggleness" ? On a Kolb? >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Photo
From: loseyf(at)comcast.net
Date: Aug 22, 2009
John just curious if you flew the Al-Can up and back or did you fly the coastline one way? When I flew the PA28 Arrow up and back a few years ago, went Port Angeles WA, Ketchikan, Juneau, Kodiak, Homer ...then Fairbanks around the back side home.. Spectacular scenery, surely one the most cherished trips of my lif e!! I would love to do this again in the future....I appreciate your inspiration. Got a lot of building ahead first. I hope this next trip you can mount a camera and capt ure for all who have not experienced the magnificence of this incredible place. Cheers to all from London! Fran Losey Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:48:53 Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alaska 2004 Photo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 22, 2009
One last thing before the groans start. -My two blade prop throws in more uneven racket than the three blade powerfin did. I'm sure the airflow is different because of it too. BB On 22, Aug 2009, at 7:28 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > > Bob, > > I suppose it is all matter of personal perspective, or individual > plane. Compared to my old Pterodactyl (which flapped its wings > like a pigeon) my Firestar is solid as a rock. > > Eugene Z > > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 11:05 PM, robert bean wrote: > >> >> Hi Eugene, yes, I know it's not in the dictionary. Maybe the >> other models don't feel the same way since I >> have no experience with them. In cruise I can feel the >> differential waves of air caused by the variable airflow >> from the aft section of the fuselage. -Xtras may not have as much >> because of the smoother blend behind the doors. >> In addition is the wiggle provided by the boom tube and tail >> assembly. Maybe my boom tube is more flexible than most? >> Just kidding. >> >> That feel is what prevents me from getting friskier with the >> flight envelope. I know it isn't a defect or problem with structural >> integrity but it does affect my mental attitude. >> >> Each brand of airplane has an individual feel. Cessnas are >> sloppier than tube frame airplanes. Some big widebodies feel like >> a whale wubbling through the sky. (747 for sure) >> The Taylorcraft, even with its very long wings is a nice tight >> feeling ship. Citabrias feel solid as a rock. They impart >> a sense of security that may or may not be warranted. They have >> had a few root rib failures when overstressed. >> >> Couldn't say about Stardusters, Christen Eagles or Pitts, never >> was rich enough to afford one but I imagine the Pitts feels >> pretty solid. >> BB >> >> On 21, Aug 2009, at 9:47 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:53 PM, robert bean wrote: >>> >>>> One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the >>>> inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds >>>> through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so >>>> many years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel >>>> different. >>> >>> >>> Huh? "wiggleness" ? On a Kolb? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Photo
Date: Aug 22, 2009
To much water and weather for a single engine VFR homebuilt experimental to fly the inside passage. I have flown north and south, the Alaska Highway, Stewart-Cassiar Highway, Klondike Highway, Dempster Highway, and the Dalton Highway. Each highway is an adventure in itself. Then...we (me and Miss P'Fer, my MKIII) have flown beyond the Dalton and the Dempster Highways to the northernmost point of the North American Continent at Point Barrow, Alaska, and Tuktoyaktuk, Northwest Territory, northernmost Eskimo Village on the North American Continent in Canada. Both places a long ways from Alabama. Makes me tired thinking about it. Couple photos, one north of Point Barrow looking south to the North American Continent, and the other is a aerial view of Tuktoyaktuk, Northwest Territory, Canada. john h mkIII John just curious if you flew the Al-Can up and back or did you fly the coastline one way? Fran Losey ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Photo
Date: Aug 22, 2009
John, If you flew as far south as you did north, where could you have possibly been? Gene Z On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:05 AM, John Hauck wrote: > To much water and weather for a single engine VFR homebuilt > experimental to fly the inside passage. > > I have flown north and south, the Alaska Highway, Stewart-Cassiar > Highway, Klondike Highway, Dempster Highway, and the Dalton > Highway. Each highway is an adventure in itself. > > Then...we (me and Miss P'Fer, my MKIII) have flown beyond the Dalton > and the Dempster Highways to the northernmost point of the North > American Continent at Point Barrow, Alaska, and Tuktoyaktuk, > Northwest Territory, northernmost Eskimo Village on the North > American Continent in Canada. Both places a long ways from Alabama. > > Makes me tired thinking about it. > > Couple photos, one north of Point Barrow looking south to the North > American Continent, and the other is a aerial view of Tuktoyaktuk, > Northwest Territory, Canada. > > john h > mkIII > > > John just curious if you flew the Al-Can up and back or did you fly > the coastline one way? > > > Fran Losey > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Photo
Date: Aug 22, 2009
A quick map recon shows the northern border of Argentina, straight line distance of about 4,000 miles. john h If you flew as far south as you did north, where could you have possibly been? Gene Z ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Photo
Date: Aug 22, 2009
John, And to think Charles Lindbergh flew almost that distance nonstop back in 1927. Wow! Gene Z On Aug 22, 2009, at 6:41 PM, John Hauck wrote: > A quick map recon shows the northern border of Argentina, straight > line distance of about 4,000 miles. > > john h > If you flew as far south as you did north, where could you have > possibly been? > > Gene Z > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Photo
Date: Aug 22, 2009
Yes, it is truly amazing that Lindbergh was able to accomplish that flight. He took off with 450 gallons of fuel, flew about 3500 miles, in 33 hours, 30 minutes. The aircraft had an ultimate range of 4000 miles. 2700 lbs of fuel is a heck of a load. Here is a good web site for Lindbergh. I did realize, until I read it, but the Spirit of St Louis did a lot of flying after the record solo flight. http://www.charleslindbergh.com/history/paris.asp I could have done it on 233.3 gal in about 43 hours, if I could haul 1400 lbs of fuel. ;-) john h mkIII And to think Charles Lindbergh flew almost that distance nonstop back in 1927. Wow! Gene Z ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 23, 2009
inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII >> Hi Robert, you had better have a walk round with a spanner and a screwdriver. No `wiggleness` in mine. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Alaska 2004 Photo
From: loseyf(at)comcast.net
Date: Aug 23, 2009
Great photos John! Thanks for sharing them. I was not so fortunate to have the blue skies I see in the photos..... I couldn't agree more with your weather comment, even with forecasts, the weather always seemed worse than predicted and changed rapidly many times, especially on the West Coastal area. I certainly respect the folks that fly in this Region. Alaska was my first experience where I was asked to "declare my option" on approach.... I scratched my head for a moment then humbled myself to ask, as I had no idea what the tower was asking. "Water, turf or concrete" was the response and concrete my choice. Take care Fran Losey Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:05:00 Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alaska 2004 Photo This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 23, 2009
but my MKIII requires coordinated use of rudder and ailerons to make it fly well.>> Most small a/c need that. It is only those who learned to fly in spam cans that don`t use co ordinated rudder. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 23, 2009
You mean the rivet heads AREN'T supposed to be spinning around? Oh well, more duct tape is in order I guess. I tried some experimental video yesterday. -An old VHS mini cam on a stalk, put in the axle hole of a wheelbarrow tire, bungeed to the seat. Worked pretty good but I need to aim it up a touch more for the right flight attitude. BB On 23, Aug 2009, at 5:02 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII >> > > Hi Robert, > > you had better have a walk round with a spanner and a screwdriver. > No `wiggleness` in mine. > > Pat > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 23, 2009
> Most small a/c need that. It is only those who learned to fly in spam cans > that don`t use co ordinated rudder. > > Pat Patrick: The older model MKIIIx requires a lot more rudder to fly coordinated than the other model Kolbs. I believe this is caused by the long, large, flat nose. When the aircraft gets a little out of yaw trim, relative wind tends to pull the nose further out of trim. Most Kolbs will do quite well flying with ailerons only. Homer did a good job of designing the differential into the system to prevent adverse aileron control. I have never flown a Kolb that could be flown with rudder alone, more than a very short time. When they begin to roll, rudder alone will not pick up tyhe wing. Because they lack any significant dihedral, if you lose aileron control, be nice to have a parachute. I am only aware of one Kolb that lost aileron control, my Ultrastar. That was caused by a catastrophic failure of the upper aileron bellcrank, the little one right over your right shoulder, not the big one attached to the boom tube. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Mike have no fear fuel filter. and morning flight
Date: Aug 23, 2009
. Oh, my plans didn't specify what filter to use,>> Hi Larry, neither did mine. I used the same type of filter I used on my Thruster and then on my Challenger, now on the Kolb.. It works, it is simple. A glass tube with the fuel going in one end and out of the other. It comes to pieces with a spanner. You can see if there is muck in it. Why change it? Fit another one. Why?. It is not that we are not allowed to change things, not even the number of sheets of toilet paper, we can. Not with the ease of your system I agree. It is just that Kolbs designed a plane with certain characteristics. Safety, dependability,ease of maintenance, etc., They have more experience with the plane and its foibles and needs than almost any one Kolb pilot. Then along comes a pilot who may or may not know what he is doing and `improves` it. According to the posts on this list usually with the cheapest bit of kit he can get . He will change the oil which is recommended by the maker for something cheaper, usually automotive oil, change the make of the plugs. Change the size of the fuel tank without doing a weight and balance. From the posts here some pilots don`t know where the c of g is, or where it should be. That is frightening. If John H says that he has changed something on his plane 500 hours ago and so and so is the result then we could all make a judgement on it. Unfortunately there seem to be some on the list who just change things on a whim for very little reason apart from the fact that they can. I remember the airplane designers creed. `Add lightness and simplify` Thats good enough for me. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb attended fly-in
Date: Aug 23, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Once a year Ed Yasechko hosts a free fly-in steak and eggs breakfast.Honest.here are some picts from this Sundays event.Ed is the guy in the white shirt in the first pict.Some nice folks up north in Oh. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Steak and eggs
Date: Aug 23, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
A couple more picts ?G.Aman Mk-3C ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Mike have no fear fuel filter.
Date: Aug 23, 2009
Flying into hangers doesn't count. Glad you got your bird fixed and flying again. Especially glad you did not get hurt in the process of experimenting with hanger flying.>> Great John, that made me laugh out loud. I wasn`t really having a little dig at the reasoned and well thought out changes that experienced people like you make and my point about Kolb knowing more than anyone else was precisely beacause they get feed back from customers. My beef was about those who go on...and on....and on about the oil they use etc. Just anything except what the manufacturer specified.For what gain? 10 cents. Its great that you can experiment and I wish we had a little more leeway sometimes. In fact we now have a very light weight category where we can do just that but it does not include Kolbs. If you post on the list that you have built a gismo that added 15mph to your cruise I should listen with interest. But I am not going overboard because you have changed the type of plug you use in the face of the makers recommendation to save a buck every 500 klicks particularly if it starts a thread that goes on for a couple of weeks. Still chuckling Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb attended fly-in
Date: Aug 23, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Sorry, This is Ed in white shirt.Almost 50 aircraft attended including a Medivac helicopter ?? and crew -----Original Message----- From: zeprep251(at)aol.com Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2009 2:17 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb attended fly-in Once a year Ed Yasechko hosts a free fly-in steak and eggs breakfast.Honest.here are some picts from this Sundays event.Ed is the guy in the white shirt in the first pict.Some nice folks up north in Oh. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 23, 2009
The older model MKIIIx requires a lot more rudder to fly coordinated than the other model Kolbs. >> Hi John, My Xtra, like my Challenger before takes a lot of hard work to to go into a turn with no rudder. In fact someone on this list said that they nearly flew into the ground in their Challenger through trying to reverse a bank without using rudder. People who learn to fly in planes with bigger engines just don`t seem to worry about the inefficiency of turning with no rudder. If you learn in gliders you soon learn that an unbalanced turn costs you height, which is your fuel. I cannot hiold a wing up with the rudder for more than a few seconds. About enough to quickly make a note of a temp. or pressure reading perhaps. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami
From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2009
Greetings, Folks, Jeff and I flew our new (5 months) MKIII-C down the coast from KPMP to Key Biscayne, did a low pass at Homestead Air Reserve Base (started to fall asleep after the first two miles of concrete,) and over to X51, where Mike (Jet Pilot) lives. Missed Mike, since he and his mates were off to the Keys for the day, but we did try out my inadequate digital camera on the way back up the beach. Thought it might be fun for you to check out. The buildings were cool, but I think due to the Lexan and the lens, we got a lot of shimmery polarizing lines. Still fun, and a great flight! Enjoy, Dave and Jeff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP9YB4hoM9Q (If this link doesn't work, search "S. FL Skyline from Kolb" There are several other clips from the flight. My Youtube handle is "Sabbatical100". Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259197#259197 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb attended fly-in
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2009
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote: > Once a year Ed Yasechko hosts a free fly-in steak and eggs breakfast.Honest.here are some picts from this Sundays event.Ed is the guy in the white shirt in the first pict.Some nice folks up north in Oh. I hope that's not champagne in those glasses, and if it is I hope the pilots came with a "designated driver". [Shocked] -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259226#259226 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2009
Watkinsdw wrote: > Greetings, Folks, > Jeff and I flew our new (5 months) MKIII-C down the coast from KPMP to Key Biscayne, did a low pass at Homestead Air Reserve Base (started to fall asleep after the first two miles of concrete,) and over to X51, where Mike (Jet Pilot) lives. Missed Mike, since he and his mates were off to the Keys for the day, but we did try out my inadequate digital camera on the way back up the beach. Thought it might be fun for you to check out. > > The buildings were cool, but I think due to the Lexan and the lens, we got a lot of shimmery polarizing lines. > Still fun, and a great flight! > > Enjoy, > > Dave and Jeff > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP9YB4hoM9Q > > (If this link doesn't work, search "S. FL Skyline from Kolb" > There are several other clips from the flight. My Youtube handle is "Sabbatical100". That looks like a lot of fun. Thanks for the video. Looking at that area on skyvector.com it looks very busy with class B and class C airspace all over, but I suppose you were underneath all that. What are those green and red dots on your windshield? -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259227#259227 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2009
Really great video Dave and Jeff. For being fairly new in their Kolb, they are doing some great flying. I have been doing all my filming of birds, gators, and everglades and it never even occurred to me to do a beach and video of the South Florida Skyline like Dave did. I have to give him an A for creativity ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259233#259233 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 23, 2009
From: Mahesh Iyer <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Cockpit controlled trim -FS2 - Thank you
Gentlemen, Thank you everyone for all your replies,-help and guidance that you offer ed. I have now got something to start upon! - Best regards, Mahesh Iyer Kolb FS-2, Powered by a Rotax 503 DCDI, Driven by a 3 blade IVO Prop.. Phoenix, Oregon The joy of flight, Nothing comes closer...Its a Romance for life.....=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami
Date: Aug 24, 2009
great vidio, well done, Not sure I would fell that comfortable in that location with my 503 MK111c. Tony Downunder MK111c ----- Original Message ----- From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami > > Greetings, Folks, > Jeff and I flew our new (5 months) MKIII-C down the coast from KPMP to Key > Biscayne, did a low pass at Homestead Air Reserve Base (started to fall > asleep after the first two miles of concrete,) and over to X51, where Mike > (Jet Pilot) lives. Missed Mike, since he and his mates were off to the > Keys for the day, but we did try out my inadequate digital camera on the > way back up the beach. Thought it might be fun for you to check out. > > The buildings were cool, but I think due to the Lexan and the lens, we got > a lot of shimmery polarizing lines. > Still fun, and a great flight! > > Enjoy, > > Dave and Jeff > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP9YB4hoM9Q > > (If this link doesn't work, search "S. FL Skyline from Kolb" > There are several other clips from the flight. My Youtube handle is > "Sabbatical100". > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259197#259197 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Hot Dog Day in western New York
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2009
Yesterday was Hot Dog Day at Bethany Airpark (8NK4) in western New York. I flew my SS there and Bob Bean flew his Porsche 928 there. I should have taken a photo of BB's Porsche but didn't. Maybe he will supply one to the list. The weather was a bit threatening and I ran into a light shower going to the fly-in. On the way home there were heavy localized showers that I barely avoided. Attached are a few photos. The red RV-4 was built by a friend who flies 747s for a living. The young fellow standing in front of my SS is a new student at a nearby airport, the future of aviation. The green Whitman Buttercup was built by Earl Luce and he won some sort of an award at Osh this year. A really nice airplane. Earls said it could qualify for light sport if the movable leading edge device was permanently extended to get the stall speed down to 45 knots. His 0-200 powered Buttercup cruises at up to 130 mph. The red and white Luscombe did a take-off, did a left crosswind and then suddlenly turned back to the airport and landed downwind and barely stopped before running out of runway. He thought he had major engine problem from the loud noise. Turns out he had left one of the seat belts out flapping against the fuselage. Check lists anyone? -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259249#259249 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00589_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00588_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00587_150.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00586_159.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb attended fly-in
Date: Aug 24, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Christal. ? Yes it is.Quite a few people drive in to the breakfast ?G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: cristalclear13 <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2009 10:00 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb attended fly-in zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote: > Once a year Ed Yasechko hosts a free fly-in steak and eggs breakfast.Honest.here are some picts from this Sundays event.Ed is the guy in the white shirt in the first pict.Some nice folks up north in Oh. I hope that's not champagne in those glasses, and if it is I hope the pilots came with a "designated driver". [Shocked] -------- Cristal Waters Kolb Mark II Twinstar Rotax 503 DCSI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259226#259226 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 24, 2009
On Aug 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, John Hauck wrote: > I have never flown a Kolb that could be flown with rudder alone, > more than a very short time. When they begin to roll, rudder alone > will not pick up tyhe wing. Because they lack any significant > dihedral, if you lose aileron control, be nice to have a parachute. John, I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with rudder only in my plane. I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing tips. None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that capability. Gene Z ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Brad Stump
Date: Aug 24, 2009
the UK, where (as I understand it) you can only build from an approved design, and no deviation from the original approved design or operating limitations is permissible.>> Hi Dana, The first part is certainly correct. You can only buy a kit or completed a/c if it conforms to `Section S` Approval will only be granted after it has been passed by British Microlight Assoc. or Light Aircraft Assoc who hold delegated powers from the CAA. This sometimes means that a/c which are used the world over need some changes to fly here. The Kolb 3Xtra for instance would not have been approved with the Jabiru without VG`s fitted. If you want to change something markedly, new prop/engine combination, altering dihedral, cutting a couple of feet off the wings then you can put your proposal to the LAA or BMA and their engineering division will look at it. They may suggest a better way of achieving what you want, tell you it has been tried and it produced a cranky or non conforming a/c. They will often do engineering analysis of your suggestion but their decision is final. The authorities are not unreasonable and are generally helpful but if they say don`t do it, listen. We have recently introduced a very light category and under that regime you can do more or less what you like. Desigh, alter etc.,. Anything as long as its below the specified weight. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Non-stop to Pat Ladd ;-)
Date: Aug 24, 2009
On Aug 22, 2009, at 10:45 PM, John Hauck wrote: > I could have done it on 233.3 gal in about 43 hours, if I could haul > 1400 lbs of fuel. ;-) > Fill your boom tube and wing spar tubes with fuel and add a large belly tank pontoon ,,,,,, there is no doubt that you could do it. 2400 lbs is only 2.5 G your plane is stressed for 4 G positive. Gene Z ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 24, 2009
Gene:Didn't you also add some additional dihedral to your wings? I don't have a photo of your Kolb handy. john h mkIII On Aug 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, John Hauck wrote: I have never flown a Kolb that could be flown with rudder alone, more t han a very short time. When they begin to roll, rudder alone will not pick up tyhe wing. Because they lack any significant dihedral, if you lose aile ron control, be nice to have a parachute. John, I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with rudder on ly in my plane. I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing tips. None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that capab ility. Gene Z ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 24, 2009
find a regular storm of many outraged responses. >> Hi Herb, get used to it. Some of the listers seem to have very short fuses. I have been accused of everything from having no experience to being anti American because I have explained that we do thinks differently this side of the pond. Not better, just differently. But the majority are helpful, have more hours and miles under their wings than you could shake a stick at, and talk sound sense. Perhaps you gave the wrong impression about how bad things were with your plane. If your plane really wants to roll and takes a lot of stick to fly level look at your wing root attachments. There is room for a fair amount of adjustment by arranging the washers. I have mine full up on one side and full down on the other. If the plane rolls gently just because you are sitting on one side of the centre line a bungee round the stick to give a little leverage will suffice. Ignore he diatribes, take the advice given, apply common sense to the suggestions made and you will be fine. A couple of years ago I drove my brand new Mark3Xtra into a barn. Everyone was full of condolences and good wishes at the time but that doesn`t stop them occassionally reminding me that I was a bloody idiot . As if I need reminding! Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
Date: Aug 24, 2009
103-7 is a category that most nationalities are not lucky enough to have. It takes real mechanical discipline to make it work and stay legal. >> Hi Robert, An interesting list of mods. I would think there is a good chance that if those mods were proposed to our licensing autthority they would be allowed providing that the basic requirements of our Section `S` were not broken . Within weight limits. Landing speed low enough, which depends on a formula involving the wing area. C of G within limits Your seat would probably be not looked on favourably. My standard Kolb seat was not considered strong enough to resist a hard landing and a plate had to be inserted. Of course `allowed` is like a red rag to a bull to some of the listers who consider that they have the `right` to endanger themselves and others as they see fit. Themselves.. I would probably agree with. Others...there is the rub. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami
From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2009
Thanks, Guys, Glad you enjoyed the video. Sorry about the quality... The dots on the windscreen are horizon markers for us as we get the "sight picture" ingrained in our heads for landing. We're still newbies, having bought our MkIII-C from Steven Green in May. As far as the airspace goes, you're right- Class Bravo overlays much of the area we flew, but at 500 ft agl, we were out of the way. We also had a discrete txpnder code and flight following going for us. ATC was very accommodating from Ft Lauderdale through Miami and Homestead Air Reserve Base (HST), both ways! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259291#259291 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2009
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > > > Of course `allowed` is like a red rag to a bull to some of the listers who > consider that they have the `right` to endanger themselves and others as > they see fit. Themselves.. I would probably agree with. Others...there is > the rub. > > Cheers > > Pat Pat, I fully support the right of some on this list to endanger themselves as much as they like. It is a shame that some here with two seat airplanes will put unsuspecting passengers at risk, but I still support our system of letting builders do what they like with experimental aircraft. To put things back in perspective, any 18 year old can get into a 5000 pound SUV and drive like a total idiot with little to no consequence. Anyone can get a drivers license, get in a large SUV or truck, and pass within several feet of other cars full of people on the highway at 110 MPH closing speed all day long. We have about 40,000 deaths in auto accidents each year, and still ANYONE can get a license, and drive recklessly with little to no consequence. To get uptight about small airplanes and waste a bunch of enforcement effort, inspections, and government manpower on them while ignoring the highway problem is nothing short of stupid on the governments part. Its nothing but pandering to peoples paranoia about airplanes while ignoring real dangers to the public. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259300#259300 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 24, 2009
On Aug 24, 2009, at 10:33 AM, John Hauck wrote: > Gene:Didn't you also add some additional dihedral to your wings? > > I don't have a photo of your Kolb handy. > > john h > mkIII > > > On Aug 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, John Hauck wrote: > >> I have never flown a Kolb that could be flown with rudder alone, >> more than a very short time. When they begin to roll, rudder alone >> will not pick up tyhe wing. Because they lack any significant >> dihedral, if you lose aileron control, be nice to have a parachute. > > > John, > > I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with > rudder only in my plane. > I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing > tips. > > None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that > capability. > > Gene Z > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 24, 2009
Looks good. Glad it works. Must be those tips. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
Date: Aug 24, 2009
Its nothing but pandering to peoples paranoia about airplanes while ignoring real dangers to the public. Hi Mike, absolutely true. there should be graded exams to drive more powerful cars. To let someone who has just passed there driving exam (which should be much more difficult) walk out and get in a Porsche is nuts. Of course anyone driving a SUV should be shot on sight on priciple. To drive at 120 mph closing speed separated by a coat of paint on the road doesn`t bear thinking about. We have just had a couple of Americans staying with us for the last week to celebrate my 80th birthday. I offered to pick him up by car from Heathrow. He declined on the gounds that he did not want to be driven down the motorway at a speed equal to the drivers age. Some years ago I picked up an American from Heathrow. He had been on standby at JFK for a couple of days, then the flight was late arriving around 9 at night. He fell asleep almost as soon as I hit the motorway. Then he would open his eyes and scream to find himself being driven down the wrong way on the motorway, against a stream of lights in the dark at 80mph or over. This was when you had 50mph im;posed. He just screwed his eyes tight shut and curled into a foetal ball. Cheers Pat. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 24, 2009
From: possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
At 09:38 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote: >John, > >I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with >rudder only in my plane. >I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing tips. > >None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that >capability. > >Gene Z Yep - I'll bet it's the tips. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
Date: Aug 24, 2009
Blimey! y'ole geezer. They should take yer keys away forthright. har har, (where'd I put those porsche keys) BB On 24, Aug 2009, at 3:50 PM, pj.ladd wrote: > > Its nothing but pandering to peoples paranoia about airplanes while > ignoring real dangers to the public. > > Hi Mike, > > absolutely true. there should be graded exams to drive more > powerful cars. To let someone who has just passed there driving > exam (which should be much more difficult) walk out and get in a > Porsche is nuts. > > Of course anyone driving a SUV should be shot on sight on priciple. > > To drive at 120 mph closing speed separated by a coat of paint on > the road doesn`t bear thinking about. > > We have just had a couple of Americans staying with us for the last > week to celebrate my 80th birthday. I offered to pick him up by car > from Heathrow. > He declined on the gounds that he did not want to be driven down > the motorway at a speed equal to the drivers age. > > Some years ago I picked up an American from Heathrow. He had been > on standby at JFK for a couple of days, then the flight was late > arriving around 9 at night. > He fell asleep almost as soon as I hit the motorway. Then he would > open his eyes and scream to find himself being driven down the > wrong way on the motorway, against a stream of lights in the dark > at 80mph or over. This was when you had 50mph im;posed. He just > screwed his eyes tight shut and curled into a foetal ball. > > Cheers > > Pat. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 24, 2009
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
From: Eugene Zimmerman > John, I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with rudder only in my plane. I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing tips. None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that capability. > Gene, Just some thoughts. There a couple of other factors that may help you. Your lateral cg is centered and this puts equal load on each wing. Also, you engine and propeller combination may weigh less than John's so your vertical cg is lower. Both of these factors will promote increased lateral stability given equal dihedral. I have never let go of the stick and tried to fly the FireFly with just rudder and throttle. I have put it on the short list to try. I do know that when I had the 15 inch chord ailerons on the FireFly and flew to my EAA Chapter meetings at Painton, I could not level the wings at cruise speed. I just had to wait for the FireFly to right its self, but most of the time I kicked a rudder pedal to help lift the low wing. After changing to nine inch ailerons, and adding VG's, all I had to do was apply a little side pressure to keep the FireFly from rolling when passing a wing tip through a thermal. FWIW Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 24, 2009
Very nice work both of you. There may be a bit more vortex induced but the stabilizing effect is worth it. I'll wait until I hit something before I go in there. BB On 24, Aug 2009, at 4:03 PM, possums wrote: > At 09:38 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote: > >> John, >> >> I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with >> rudder only in my plane. >> I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my >> wing tips. >> >> None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had >> that capability. >> >> Gene Z > > Yep - I'll bet it's the tips. > > <0.JPG><5 IM002601.jpg><4.JPG> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 24, 2009
From: "possums" <possums(at)bellsouth.net> > > Yep - I'll bet it's the tips. Damn, they're sprouting up all over. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2009
[quote="etzimm(at)gmail.com"] wing in a bank with rudder only in my plane. I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing tips. None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that capability. Gene Z > [b] Gene Z, That is a really great Modification you did to the wingtips ! The stock wingtips are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got really wrong in the design of the plane. I know John H will take offense to this, but no plane on the planet is designed perfectly from day one, and even the best planes ever produced have been improved over the years. The Kolb is no different, a good plane, but still can be made a lot better. Any plane design that is not improved over time is at risk of becoming outdated and ceasing production. Once I saw the new wingtips Kolb put on the MK III Xtra, I have been thinking about what to do about my old style and inefficient wingtips. I like the Droop tips, but I do not do fiberglass work that well, and I still think I can do better with hoerner type wingtips. I did a lot of research on wingtips and thier effect on airplanes, and decided to put Hoerner wingtips on my MK III Xtra. I have even gone as far as to buy all the parts needed to do this from Kolb, and have them sitting in my Workshop. It is just a matter of finishing another plane before I do this project on my Kolb. Did you change your wingtips on an existing plane, or did you build the plane with them from day one ??? I would really be interested to get your performance numbers and any other differences you notice in flight characteristics. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259359#259359 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Wingtips
Date: Aug 24, 2009
> That is a really great Modification you did to the wingtips ! The stock wingtips are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got really wrong in the design of the plane. > > Mike I took the liberty to change the subject line to something similar to what is being discussed. This comes to a surprise to me that I have been flying with wingtips that, "are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got really wrong in the design of the plane." How did jet pilot come up with this brilliant deduction? I don't take offense to your statement, but Homer Kolb probably would disagree with you if he were still here to defend himself. In fact, doesn't surprise me at all, but I would like an explanation on why Homer Kolb's wingtip is so very poor. How is this new wingtip going to improve the flying qualities of Kolb aircraft? john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2009
I can't say what the Hoerner style wingtips will do for a Kolb wing but can tell you they make a world of difference on a Cherokee 140. Can't tell much difference at high cruise but slow flight lateral control and stability were much improved over the standard Cherokee wingtips. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259383#259383 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2009
Dear John H, As much as I would like to take credit for the wingtip idea, I did not seriously consider changing wingtips until Kolb came up with the new design on their MK III Xtra. The minute I saw them, I knew it would be a huge improvement. Your flight test reports confirmed it, the stall speeds with the new wingtips were much reduced compared to my otherwise nearly identical MK III Xtra were before I added VG's. Your cruise speeds was also higher with the same engine, airframe and prop. Once I saw Kolb do this, I decided to add better wingtips, it was just a matter of what they would be. I decided on the Hoerner for simplicity, no fiberglass, and a great record of performance. The type wingtips on the Kolb now are horrible aerodynamically, exactly why is way beyond what I can cover here, but the information is available all over the Internet if you research it. The fact that no major aircraft design for the last 50 years ( Except for a few specialty aircraft and Antique Copies ) has used the Kolb wingtip design should be your first clue. The current Kolb design wingtps are not used in any meaningful way because they have horrible performance and characteristics. Kolb, Myself, and more than a few builders here have decided to use a better performing type wingtip. My wingtip will use a lot of what Kolb has done with thier factory MK III Xtra, extend the spar by 2 feet, and my wingtip will be a hoerner wingtip instead of the fiberglass one. Horner wingtips are used on a huge number of General aviation airplanes with great success, the information on their performance has been well documented on countless airplanes for over 50 years. As I said before, EVERY major airplane in history has undergone design changes, why should the Kolbs be any different ? You have many improvements in your Kolb, that is not a slap in the face to Homer Kolb, it is progress, and I think Homer approved of them. The 737, the most popular airliner in history now has new wingtips, do you think the original design team from the early 1960's needs to " Defend " themselves ? I bet those now very old guys take a lot of pride in the fact that the 737 has been in production for over 40 years, and I doubt they are in any way offended by the new wingtips the 737 now has standard. Yet you imply that Homer would be offended because some have found a way to improve his airplane, I think you are just wrong about this. I think Homer would be very happy to see his airplane continue to be improved, so that his design can be compete in the marketplace and be produced for a long time to come. There are a lot of new and really good aircraft designs out there, Kolb needs to continue to develop and improve to keep this design competitive. As always I am not telling you that you should change your airplane in any way, so no need to even go there. But what I am saying is that myself and others have nicer flying Kolbs with properly designed and better performing wingtips. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259390#259390 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 24, 2009
> As always I am not telling you that you should change your airplane in any way, so no need to even go there. But what I am saying is that myself and others have nicer flying Kolbs with properly designed and better performing wingtips. > > Mike Mike: Now I am jealous, "myself and others have nicer flying Kolbs with properly designed and better performing wingtips." That statement would be much more believeable if you had done the modifications and could present your results to the List. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2009
aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote: > > > John, Despite the fact that this will surely cause much heat but little light, the truth of the matter is that we can never really know. > > How would you go about telling anything about the aircraft performance of the three aircraft and isolate the wing tip as contributing what? You can't > > Rick Girard > > Rick Girard, In the first line of your post, you start by doing your best to imply to readers that no good information will come of this wingtip discussion... " much heat and little light "... Why are you afraid of a little factual discussion about wingtips ??? The fact that you start out by trying to distract people away from intelligent discussion on this subject tells me that you have no interest in helping anyone here improve their Kolbs. Your next statements are just plain wrong. There has been much research done on wingtips and what they will do for airplanes of different classes. Many aircraft designers design airplanes with efficient wingtips with good aerodynamic characteristics on GA, LSA, and many airplanes in our class airplanes because it is already known what advantages certain wingtip designs offer. Contrary to your assertions, we do know what many wingtip designs have to offer and what improvements we can expect from them. Its to bad that you feel the need to try to mislead people, dismiss accepted aerodynamic theory, and prevent a discussion that could help them improve their Kolbs. The fact that you don't know much about wingtips is fine with me, thats why many people read this forum, to learn about Kolbs. Not everyone can knowledgeable about airplanes and aerodynamics and I do not expect it. What I do take offense to is when people like you post information that is just plain wrong and is a disservice to people here on the list. There is a lot to be learned by discussing Kolbs wingtips, and improvements the Kolb factory, and others are doing to make them better.... Why are you doing your best to mislead people and prevent this discussion ? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259394#259394 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 24, 2009
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
You forgot to mention the cell phone...Mike...unbelievable the number of idiots on the road with them stuck in their ears while driving.. That said...I suspect that the statistics favor the auto over UL's , given the miles or number of vehicles ...Herb At 11:37 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote: > > >pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > > > > > > Of course `allowed` is like a red rag to a bull to some of the listers who > > consider that they have the `right` to endanger themselves and others as > > they see fit. Themselves.. I would probably agree with. Others...there is > > the rub. > > > > Cheers > > > > Pat > > >Pat, > >I fully support the right of some on this list to endanger >themselves as much as they like. It is a shame that some here with >two seat airplanes will put unsuspecting passengers at risk, but I >still support our system of letting builders do what they like with >experimental aircraft. > >To put things back in perspective, any 18 year old can get into a >5000 pound SUV and drive like a total idiot with little to no >consequence. Anyone can get a drivers license, get in a large SUV >or truck, and pass within several feet of other cars full of people >on the highway at 110 MPH closing speed all day long. We have about >40,000 deaths in auto accidents each year, and still ANYONE can get >a license, and drive recklessly with little to no consequence. To >get uptight about small airplanes and waste a bunch of enforcement >effort, inspections, and government manpower on them while ignoring >the highway problem is nothing short of stupid on the governments >part. Its nothing but pandering to peoples paranoia about >airplanes while ignoring real dangers to the public. > >Mike > >-------- >"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as >you could have !!! > >Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259300#259300 > > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >08/24/09 06:05:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 24, 2009
Old aviation rule of thumb: everything you do to change the plane will add 5 knots. Put it on, add 5 take it back off, add 5 more. Can't lose. :) BB On 24, Aug 2009, at 6:25 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > > > That is a really great Modification you did to the wingtips ! > The stock wingtips are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got > really wrong in the design of the plane. >> >> Mike > > I took the liberty to change the subject line to something similar > to what is being discussed. > > This comes to a surprise to me that I have been flying with > wingtips that, "are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got > really wrong in the design of the plane." > > How did jet pilot come up with this brilliant deduction? > > I don't take offense to your statement, but Homer Kolb probably > would disagree with you if he were still here to defend himself. > In fact, doesn't surprise me at all, but I would like an > explanation on why Homer Kolb's wingtip is so very poor. > > How is this new wingtip going to improve the flying qualities of > Kolb aircraft? > > john h > mkIII > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 24, 2009
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Gotta think that the 4 extra feet of wing helped a bunch.. :-) My other notion is that the drooped tip would not be any better than a Whitman or Hoerner tip.. on the factory MkIIIX The idea in any case is to reduce tip vortices ...and therefore ,Drag.. Herb At 07:29 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote: > >Dear John H, > >As much as I would like to take credit for the wingtip idea, I did >not seriously consider changing wingtips until Kolb came up with the >new design on their MK III Xtra. The minute I saw them, I knew it >would be a huge improvement. Your flight test reports confirmed it, >the stall speeds with the new wingtips were much reduced compared to >my otherwise nearly identical MK III Xtra were before I added >VG's. Your cruise speeds was also higher with the same engine, >airframe and prop. Once I saw Kolb do this, I decided to add better >wingtips, it was just a matter of what they would be. I decided on >the Hoerner for simplicity, no fiberglass, and a great record of performance. > >The type wingtips on the Kolb now are horrible aerodynamically, >exactly why is way beyond what I can cover here, but the information >is available all over the Internet if you research it. The fact >that no major aircraft design for the last 50 years ( Except for a >few specialty aircraft and Antique Copies ) has used the Kolb >wingtip design should be your first clue. The current Kolb design >wingtps are not used in any meaningful way because they have >horrible performance and characteristics. Kolb, Myself, and more >than a few builders here have decided to use a better performing >type wingtip. My wingtip will use a lot of what Kolb has done with >thier factory MK III Xtra, extend the spar by 2 feet, and my wingtip >will be a hoerner wingtip instead of the fiberglass one. Horner >wingtips are used on a huge number of General aviation airplanes >with great success, the information on their performance has been >well documented on countless airplanes for over 50 years. > >As I said before, EVERY major airplane in history has undergone >design changes, why should the Kolbs be any different ? You have >many improvements in your Kolb, that is not a slap in the face to >Homer Kolb, it is progress, and I think Homer approved of them. The >737, the most popular airliner in history now has new wingtips, do >you think the original design team from the early 1960's needs to " >Defend " themselves ? I bet those now very old guys take a lot of >pride in the fact that the 737 has been in production for over 40 >years, and I doubt they are in any way offended by the new wingtips >the 737 now has standard. Yet you imply that Homer would be >offended because some have found a way to improve his airplane, I >think you are just wrong about this. I think Homer would be very >happy to see his airplane continue to be improved, so that his >design can be compete in the marketplace and be produced for a long >time to come. There are a lot of new and really good aircraf! > t designs out there, Kolb needs to continue to develop and improve > to keep this design competitive. > >As always I am not telling you that you should change your airplane >in any way, so no need to even go there. But what I am saying is >that myself and others have nicer flying Kolbs with properly >designed and better performing wingtips. > >Mike > >-------- >"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as >you could have !!! > >Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259390#259390 > > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >08/24/09 06:05:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 24, 2009
Rick Girard, > > In the first line of your post, you start by doing your best to imply to > readers that no good information will come of this wingtip discussion... > " much heat and little light "... Why are you afraid of a little factual > discussion about wingtips ??? Mr. Jetpilot, Where are these "Facts" that support your statement that the Plans built Kolb wingtips are inferior?? Jim Kmet Cookeville, TN MK-3C (Never Piloted a Jet) ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips > > > aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> John, Despite the fact that this will surely cause much heat but little >> light, the truth of the matter is that we can never really know. >> >> How would you go about telling anything about the aircraft performance of >> the three aircraft and isolate the wing tip as contributing what? You >> can't >> >> Rick Girard >> >> > > > Rick Girard, > > In the first line of your post, you start by doing your best to imply to > readers that no good information will come of this wingtip discussion... > " much heat and little light "... Why are you afraid of a little factual > discussion about wingtips ??? The fact that you start out by trying to > distract people away from intelligent discussion on this subject tells me > that you have no interest in helping anyone here improve their Kolbs. > > Your next statements are just plain wrong. There has been much research > done on wingtips and what they will do for airplanes of different classes. > Many aircraft designers design airplanes with efficient wingtips with good > aerodynamic characteristics on GA, LSA, and many airplanes in our class > airplanes because it is already known what advantages certain wingtip > designs offer. Contrary to your assertions, we do know what many wingtip > designs have to offer and what improvements we can expect from them. > Its to bad that you feel the need to try to mislead people, dismiss > accepted aerodynamic theory, and prevent a discussion that could help them > improve their Kolbs. > > The fact that you don't know much about wingtips is fine with me, thats > why many people read this forum, to learn about Kolbs. Not everyone can > knowledgeable about airplanes and aerodynamics and I do not expect it. > What I do take offense to is when people like you post information that is > just plain wrong and is a disservice to people here on the list. There > is a lot to be learned by discussing Kolbs wingtips, and improvements the > Kolb factory, and others are doing to make them better.... Why are you > doing your best to mislead people and prevent this discussion ? > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259394#259394 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 24, 2009
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Firestar questions
A friend who's not on this list (yet) just acquired an older (1996) FSII from an older gentleman who's decided it's time to hang up his wings. It's pretty rough, though the previous owner was flying it as recently as last year. Enough things wrong that I declined to fly it, though I did a few fast taxis on the runway. LOTS of play in the ailerons, loose tail wires (which another Kolb owner said was normal?!!), hardware hairpin cotter pins instead of the AN safety pins in many of the clevis pins, and oversized holes in the front wing attach points and wing strut ends, etc. It needs a thorough going over, but he/I have a couple of questions: With the oversized holes in the wing attach points and the aileron horns, is it OK to weld the holes over and redrill them? Or better to weld a washer over the hole? Are these heat treated, or is it OK to just weld and then stress relieve? My friend's a pretty good welder, but only with MIG, not a torch. One of the wing points seems to have been drilled oversize, and the next size larger clevis pin installed... which is still loose in the hole, and the hole in the fuselage attach point is too close (perhaps 3/32") from the lower edge of the bracket. Currently there is no back seat, which is easy to add, but do any FSII's have dual controls? Or did the factory offer it as an option? I know anything _can_ be done, but it's easier if it's already a standard mod. The new owner is not (yet) a pilot, and he'd like to learn in his own airplane. He has the build manual but no drawings... did drawings come with the original kit? -Dana -- I love my country, but I fear my government. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 24, 2009
Wingtips and induced drag in low altitude, light aircraft. http://www.freewebtown.com/salil/Drag/Page8.html Based on this, when I rebuild Ed's FSII, I think I will go with whatever is structurally easiest, lightest, and uses whatever we have on hand. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259408#259408 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 24, 2009
> Wingtips and induced drag in low altitude, light aircraft. > http://www.freewebtown.com/salil/Drag/Page8.html > > Based on this, when I rebuild Ed's FSII, I think I will go with whatever > is structurally easiest, lightest, and uses whatever we have on hand. > > Richard Pike Richard P: Enjoyed reading the referenced page. I mentioned Homer's wing stalling at the root first, in a msg to the List the other day. Didn't provoke any response, yea or nay. This is a good illustration of progression of different style wings. Homer's wing would be wing B. This is the reason we have such gentle stall characteristics, if we don't screw with Homer's design. Also why we can still maintain roll control right through the stall, because the ailerons are still working. john h mkIII "The other problem with elliptical wings is the stall characteristics. It is much safer to design an airplane so that the wing stalls first at the root, leaving the outer portion of the wing, (where the ailerons are) still flying. An elliptical wing however, will tend to stall uniformly all along the span (see the diagram below.) The "fix" for this situation is washout, but that will reduce the theoretical gains in induced drag. Therefore, we are unlikely to see a great resurgence in the use of elliptical wings, except in situations where appearance dictates." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Wingtips
Date: Aug 24, 2009
The other problem with elliptical wings is the stall characteristics. It is much safer to design an airplane so that the wing stalls first at the root, leaving the outer portion of the wing, (where the ailerons are) still flying. An elliptical wing however, will tend to stall uniformly all along the span (see the diagram below.) The "fix" for this situation is washout, but that will reduce the theoretical gains in induced drag. Therefore, we are unlikely to see a great resurgence in the use of elliptical wings, except in situations where appearance dictates. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 24, 2009
The illustration is in the attached file. I didn't notice it when the msg came through first time. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:37 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips > > > Wingtips and induced drag in low altitude, light aircraft. >> http://www.freewebtown.com/salil/Drag/Page8.html >> >> Based on this, when I rebuild Ed's FSII, I think I will go with whatever >> is structurally easiest, lightest, and uses whatever we have on hand. >> >> Richard Pike > > > Richard P: > > Enjoyed reading the referenced page. > > I mentioned Homer's wing stalling at the root first, in a msg to the List > the other day. Didn't provoke any response, yea or nay. > > This is a good illustration of progression of different style wings. > > Homer's wing would be wing B. This is the reason we have such gentle > stall > characteristics, if we don't screw with Homer's design. Also why we can > still maintain roll control right through the stall, because the ailerons > are still working. > > john h > mkIII > > > "The other problem with elliptical wings is the stall characteristics. It > is > much safer to design an airplane so that the wing stalls first at the > root, > leaving the outer portion of the wing, (where the ailerons are) still > flying. An elliptical wing however, will tend to stall uniformly all along > the span (see the diagram below.) The "fix" for this situation is washout, > but that will reduce the theoretical gains in induced drag. Therefore, we > are unlikely to see a great resurgence in the use of elliptical wings, > except in situations where appearance dictates." > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Ya all. Nope, Homer did not get anything "wrong" with the wing tips on his designs. His objective was not to have the absolute best, most efficient wing tip possible, but to have a good one that was quite simple and easy for amateur home builders to get built right and still give excellent performance. The addition of preformed factory furnished wing tips to his kits would have added significantly to the cost of his kits. Homer wanted to be as frugal with our money, as he was with his own, and he succeeded in giving us a GREAT bank for the buck. Thank you Homer ,,,,,,,, may you rest in peace. Gene Z PS Do I encourage new builders to modify kolb's wing tip to the hoerner style? Nope, I DO NOT. It is more difficult to get it right than it looks. On Aug 24, 2009, at 6:25 PM, John Hauck wrote: > This comes to a surprise to me that I have been flying with wingtips > that, "are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got really wrong in > the design of the plane." > > How did jet pilot come up with this brilliant deduction? > > I don't take offense to your statement, but Homer Kolb probably > would disagree with you if he were still here to defend himself. In > fact, doesn't surprise me at all, but I would like an explanation on > why Homer Kolb's wingtip is so very poor. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 25, 2009
>> I mentioned Homer's wing stalling at the root first=2C in a msg to the L ist > the other day. Didn't provoke any response=2C yea or nay. > john h > mkIII John H.=2C I beg to differ with you regarding the above statement. I politely asked you to explain that premise=2C since I hadn't heard of it before. I recei ved a response from you=2C to which I accepted. Evidently polite discourse doesn't get noticed. Too bad. Mike Welch MkIII _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you=92re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Mike W: My appologies for my very poor memory. Thanks for reminding me. I hope I have no offended you. Evidently it did get noticed or I would not have responded to you. My mistake was not intentional. john h mkIII - Working on my first cup of coffee. John H., I beg to differ with you regarding the above statement. I politely asked you to explain that premise, since I hadn't heard of it before. I received a response from you, to which I accepted. Evidently polite discourse doesn't get noticed. Too bad. Mike Welch MkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
From: russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Pat Driving at "a speed equal to the driver's age" -- but isn't that in clicks, not MPH? So it would be only 50MPH. But take heart -- getting old is better than not getting old -- And don't you measure your airspeed in MPH too? Knots of course for the Big Boys. They don't use clicks do they? Russ On Aug 24, 2009, at 3:50 PM, pj.ladd wrote: > > Its nothing but pandering to peoples paranoia about airplanes while > ignoring real dangers to the public. > > Hi Mike, > > absolutely true. there should be graded exams to drive more > powerful cars. To let someone who has just passed there driving > exam (which should be much more difficult) walk out and get in a > Porsche is nuts. > > Of course anyone driving a SUV should be shot on sight on priciple. > > To drive at 120 mph closing speed separated by a coat of paint on > the road doesn`t bear thinking about. > > We have just had a couple of Americans staying with us for the last > week to celebrate my 80th birthday. I offered to pick him up by car > from Heathrow. > He declined on the gounds that he did not want to be driven down > the motorway at a speed equal to the drivers age. > > Some years ago I picked up an American from Heathrow. He had been > on standby at JFK for a couple of days, then the flight was late > arriving around 9 at night. > He fell asleep almost as soon as I hit the motorway. Then he would > open his eyes and scream to find himself being driven down the > wrong way on the motorway, against a stream of lights in the dark > at 80mph or over. This was when you had 50mph im;posed. He just > screwed his eyes tight shut and curled into a foetal ball. > > Cheers > > Pat. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
From: Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:39 AM, russ kinne wrote: > > Pat > Driving at "a speed equal to the driver's age" -- but isn't that in > clicks, not MPH? So it would be only 50MPH. > But take heart -- getting old is better than not getting old -- > And don't you measure your airspeed in MPH too? Knots of course for the > Big Boys. They don't use clicks do they? > Even 50 klicks on a tiny, narrow English country road can be hair-raising! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 1 dead in ultralight midair
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
I just saw this on the quicksilver list. 2 ultralights had a midair in Arcanum Ohio. Before making a turn lift your wing up so you can see if it is clear before making the turn. Keep your eyes open and scan for traffic. This is a sad thing. > Hi Guys, > > I lost a good friend this evening in a mid-air collision. He was on final > approach in his powered parachute and was approx. 50' agl over the runway when > his best friend in his Phantom flew right into him broadside, after the impact > the Phantom cartwheeled into the corn field, the pilot of the Pahantom is also a > good friend, he was standing in a daze when I finally got to his plane, and all > he could say was "I didn't see him", he was taken by Careflight and is in > serious condition. The worst part is I witnessed the whole thing! I think I am > still in shock. I just cant get the image of the Phantom certwheeling into the > corn. I think I am gonna leave the Sport in the hangar for a few days, but I am > definatly still gonna fly! Both men knew the Lord Jesus Christ as their savior, > so that fact alone gives me alot of comfort, but my heart aches for the > families. If you dont mind, say a prayer for the families and also that my > other friend comes through this ok. I will keep you informed. > > Thanks, > Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259483#259483 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lindbergh and his flight
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
His 1st solo was at Americus ACJ :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259487#259487 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firestar questions
From: "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
I call Travis at Kolb when I have these kind of questions -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259495#259495 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Gene Z, It is disappointing to see you put list politics ahead of good information. You have made two responses, which are clearly aimed in " getting in good with the guys... " You have also not answered a single question I asked about your tips, you are obviously more afraid of offending someone, than adding factual information to this thread. For someone that did a lot of work to change your wingtip design, you sure are anxious to downplay it now, you posts just stink of fear of offending one of these guys. Are you a brown noser at work also ? Finally, Gene Z and the rest, trying to turn the wingtip discussion into something about Homer Kolb is just plain stupid. Don't try to use his recent passing to your advantage, if you have something factual to add to the discussion, then do it, making this about Homer is just wrong and shows your desperation do badmouth a subject when you have no facts. This reminds me of the VG discussion, where there have been many flight test and reports by many good people here that have been ridiculed and ignored by a few know nothings here. I have had many private responses by people that have tried VG's and had very positive results, but did not want to post to the list because of the reticule and bashing by a few loud mouth know nothings. Its to bad that this group is bullied people like this. Richard P. Do you believe everything you read on the net ? The article you quoted had some basic information, but its opinions and conclusions were garbage. You, and a couple others here are so desperate to believe that your wingtips wont make any difference that you are willing to ignore 50 years of testing and results by General aviation manufacturers. Kolb aircraft did not spend the money to develop its new wingtip for the MK III for nothing. Enough people are now working on MK III 's with the new wingtips that numbers and flight reports will start to come out, some of you are going to look pretty bad when that happens, pretty short sighted for those saying that wingtips can not be improved. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259509#259509 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
Date: Aug 25, 2009
but isn't that in clicks, not MPH? So it would be only 50MPH.>> Ha ha. That would be nice. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 25, 2009
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From: Blumax008(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Subject: Re: 1 dead in ultralight midair
In a message dated 8/25/2009 10:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com writes: I just saw this on the quicksilver list. 2 ultralights had a midair in Arcanum Ohio. By Golly! If they both had had that $80 Amalgamated fuel filter the Kolb list was talking about recently...it would've saved both of 'em! And where were the $2,000 BRS's we all just got to have. Maybe their $1,200 repacks were not current? Rest in peace & no disrespect to your friend. It's just a little argument (one of many) that we have from time to time on the Kolb list. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! =JulystepsfooterNO115) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Mr. John H=2C No problem at all. Can't fault ya for the memory thing. I'm afraid my l ist of 'attributes that aren't as sharp as they used to be' is getting long er all the time. Funny thing. The older I get=2C the better I was!! : ) Have a pleasant day. Mike Welch From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips Date: Tue=2C 25 Aug 2009 07:47:40 -0500 Mike W: My appologies for my very poor memory. Thanks for reminding me. I hope I have no offended you. Evidently it did get noticed or I would not have responded to you. My mistake was not intentional. john h mkIII - Working on my first cup of coffee. John H.=2C I beg to differ with you regarding the above statement. I politely asked you to explain that premise=2C since I hadn't heard of it before. I recei ved a response from you=2C to which I accepted. Evidently polite discourse doesn't get noticed. Too bad. Mike Welch MkIII _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you=92re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
When I read stuff like this , it makes me wonder... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with quote Gene Z, It is disappointing to see you put list politics ahead of good information. You have made two responses, which are clearly aimed in " getting in good with the guys... " You have also not answered a single question I asked about your tips, you are obviously more afraid of offending someone, than adding factual information to this thread. For someone that did a lot of work to change your wingtip design, you sure are anxious to downplay it now, you posts just stink of fear of offending one of these guys. Are you a brown noser at work also ? Finally, Gene Z and the rest, trying to turn the wingtip discussion into something about Homer Kolb is just plain stupid. Don't try to use his recent passing to your advantage, if you have something factual to add to the discussion, then do it, making this about Homer is just wrong and shows your desperation do badmouth a subject when you have no facts. This reminds me of the VG discussion, where there have been many flight test and reports by many good people here that have been ridiculed and ignored by a few know nothings here. I have had many private responses by people that have tried VG's and had very positive results, but did not want to post to the list because of the reticule and bashing by a few loud mouth know nothings. Its to bad that this group is bullied people like this. Richard P. Do you believe everything you read on the net ? The article you quoted had some basic information, but its opinions and conclusions were garbage. You, and a couple others here are so desperate to believe that your wingtips wont make any difference that you are willing to ignore 50 years of testing and results by General aviation manufacturers. Kolb aircraft did not spend the money to develop its new wingtip for the MK III for nothing. Enough people are now working on MK III 's with the new wingtips that numbers and flight reports will start to come out, some of you are going to look pretty bad when that happens, pretty short sighted for those saying that wingtips can not be improved. Mike +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So after much due reflection, I have decided to respond appropriately: (and since I don't spend much time here any more anyway, due to postings such as the above... and therefore can accept being thrown off) (Sorry Matt, I'll accept whatever you think I deserve) I think we all need to take a deep breath and meditate on some appropriate demotivational posters until our heads clear and our blood pressure returns to normal. See? Suddenly everything is back in perspective. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259538#259538 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lackoffaith_412.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/nofear_194.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Yes! I enjoyed the video also. A few years ago some one else did a similar video around Chicago it had notations or something that identified stuff as he flew around. Would it be possible for you to do that also? Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami > > Thanks, Guys, > Glad you enjoyed the video. Sorry about the quality... > The dots on the windscreen are horizon markers for us as we get the "sight > picture" ingrained in our heads for landing. We're still newbies, having > bought our MkIII-C from Steven Green in May. > > As far as the airspace goes, you're right- Class Bravo overlays much of > the area we flew, but at 500 ft agl, we were out of the way. We also had a > discrete txpnder code and flight following going for us. ATC was very > accommodating from Ft Lauderdale through Miami and Homestead Air Reserve > Base (HST), both ways! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259291#259291 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: fire star 2 for sale
From: "dfcpac" <dfcpac(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
i recently purchased a real nice firestar 2, nothing wrong with it. very nice flying plane excellent build but decided it's not for me. it's a 2001, with 160 hrs tt since new. n numbered esla certified, excellent condition. aloways hangered,stits covered yellow with red trim. rotax 503 b box. three bladed ivo prop. engine information system pull or electric start. kuntzlerman "hot box" bre 750, hydraulicbrakes. 12 gallon fue,large tires. 3 windscreens open or closed. stream line struts, wing tip strobes 4 point harness. icom radio. cage and tube powder coated. custom kolb trailer. other extra's too very nice plane i'm selling it for 12,700.00 i'm located on long island in ny email dfcpac(at)aol.com phone 631 880 2343 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259548#259548 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Mike, 1st you say: "The type wingtips on the Kolb now are horrible aerodynamically, exactly why is way beyond what I can cover here, but the information is available all over the Internet if you research it." Then you say, "Richard P. Do you believe everything you read on the net ?" All about wingtip design. Then I asked: Mr. Jetpilot, Where are these "Facts" that support your statement that the Plans built Kolb wingtips are inferior?? No response yet. But you know what? I am not interested in anything else you have to say, so from now on, when I post a comment, or a question from the group, please, disreguard. Thank you in advance, Jim Kmet Cookeville, TN MK-3C (Never Piloted a Jet) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips > > When I read stuff like this , it makes me wonder... > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with > quote > Gene Z, > > It is disappointing to see you put list politics ahead of good > information. You have made two responses, which are clearly aimed in " > getting in good with the guys... " You have also not answered a single > question I asked about your tips, you are obviously more afraid of > offending someone, than adding factual information to this thread. For > someone that did a lot of work to change your wingtip design, you sure are > anxious to downplay it now, you posts just stink of fear of offending one > of these guys. Are you a brown noser at work also ? Finally, Gene Z and > the rest, trying to turn the wingtip discussion into something about Homer > Kolb is just plain stupid. Don't try to use his recent passing to your > advantage, if you have something factual to add to the discussion, then do > it, making this about Homer is just wrong and shows your desperation do > badmouth a subject when you have no facts. > > This reminds me of the VG discussion, where there have been many flight > test and reports by many good people here that have been ridiculed and > ignored by a few know nothings here. I have had many private responses by > people that have tried VG's and had very positive results, but did not > want to post to the list because of the reticule and bashing by a few loud > mouth know nothings. Its to bad that this group is bullied people like > this. > > Richard P. > > Do you believe everything you read on the net ? The article you quoted had > some basic information, but its opinions and conclusions were garbage. > You, and a couple others here are so desperate to believe that your > wingtips wont make any difference that you are willing to ignore 50 years > of testing and results by General aviation manufacturers. > > Kolb aircraft did not spend the money to develop its new wingtip for the > MK III for nothing. Enough people are now working on MK III 's with the > new wingtips that numbers and flight reports will start to come out, some > of you are going to look pretty bad when that happens, pretty short > sighted for those saying that wingtips can not be improved. > > Mike > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > So after much due reflection, I have decided to respond appropriately: > (and since I don't spend much time here any more anyway, due to postings > such as the above... and therefore can accept being thrown off) (Sorry > Matt, I'll accept whatever you think I deserve) > > I think we all need to take a deep breath and meditate on some appropriate > demotivational posters until our heads clear and our blood pressure > returns to normal. > > See? Suddenly everything is back in perspective. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259538#259538 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/lackoffaith_412.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/nofear_194.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DFCPAC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Subject: firestar 2 for sale
i recently purchased a real nice firestar 2, nothing wrong with it. very nice flying plane excellent build but decided it's not for me. it's a 2001, with 160 hrs tt since new. n numbered esla certified, excellent condition. aloways hangered,stits covered yellow with red trim. rotax 503 b box. three bladed ivo prop. engine information system pull or electric start. kuntzlerman "hot box" bre 750, hydraulicbrakes. 12 gallon fue,large tires. 3 windscreens open or closed. stream line struts, wing tip strobes 4 point harness. icom radio. cage and tube powder coated. custom kolb trailer. other extra's too very nice plane i'm selling it for 12,700.00 i'm located on long island in ny email _dfcpac(at)aol.com_ (mailto:dfcpac(at)aol.com) phone 631 880 2343 thank you daniel carley ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Subject: Firestar questions
Date: Aug 25, 2009
With the oversized holes in the wing attach points and the aileron horns, is it OK to weld the holes over and redrill them? Or better to weld a washer over the hole? Are these heat treated, or is it OK to just weld and then stress relieve? My friend's a pretty good welder, but only with MIG, not a torch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just food for thought,,,,, drill to the next oversize then weld in a bushing,,, that would give far more surface area for wear. Boyd Young ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Message to Matt
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
This kind of complaint coming from the PlaneCrazzzy who went back and changed many posts, and then LIED to everyone here about what he had posted. For a flakey loser that has to lie and then change posts to cover his tracks like is as about as hypocritical as you can get. As many have noticed, the same group of bullies has been trying to drive me off the list for years. Matt and see this and is aware of it , and others see it also... One even commented about it in the fuel filter thread. Most are afraid to post because of these people. JAMESBEARD305(at)msn.com wrote: > > > nice post. Being a newbie myself, lurking for years, I have not had the experience of being ridiculed, but instead ignored... > > This small group of bad apples is driving more new people on the list than anyone knows. Its always the same few guys have been carrying the same old tired grudge for years. I don't hide from bullies and their tactics, I stand up to them. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259555#259555 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Richard Pike, For claiming to be a preacher, you have continually made every attempt to cause problems and get revenge to settle your vendetta at every opportunity. I said this the other day, and previously in the past. Posting offensive pictures just shows what a hypocrite you are. In the past, you participated in bad behavior as much as anyone, and then claimed to leave the list because you did not like the way it was going. Now you have posted be far the most objection thing ever see on this list. Your conduct as a preacher reminds me of fanatical religious sects, who claim to be men of God, while committing acts far worse than the people they are complaining about. You would fit in with fanatical sects very well. Because you sure have a need for revenge, and have held a grudge better than just about anyone here. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259557#259557 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Message to Matt
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
planecrazzzy wrote: > No , I didn't lie about anything... > > And you can KMA > . Here is the post where you lied to everyone about what you had said.. (near bottom ). http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=46496 And here is one of the posts in the forum you changed 7 months after you wrote it, as you did several others to back up you lie. ( Near bottom of page, Dates of edit are shown )... http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=36500 One of the list readers went back to the archives where PlaneCrazzzy could not change his post, and caught him in his lie to everyone. Now you are doing it again, complaining about my behavior while lying about your own actions. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259560#259560 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Name identification
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Mike Bigelow=2C Would you be kind enough to identify yourself more clearly=2C please? Th ere are several "Mikes" (Mike & Jaz=2C Michael Sharp=2C Mike Welch=2C Mike Adams {?} and a couple of others). To avoid confusion=2C I'm sure the rest of us Mikes would appreciate it i f you would identify yourself more specifically=2C namely Mike B.....or Mik e Bigelow.....or just Jetpilot. There are several Richards (all nice guys=2C I might add)=2C several John s=2C likely=2C etc.=2C etc. A last name would be more helpful. Thanks a t on. Mike Welch MkIII dust collector _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Gene Z, You posted this yesterday about your Hoernier wingtips: etzimm(at)gmail.com wrote: > > I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with rudder only in my plane. > I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing tips. > > > None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that capability. > > > Gene Z > Then today when it is apparent that Gene Z's report will not be " Popular " with the little gang, he flip flops faster than a politician: etzimm(at)gmail.com wrote: > > > Do I encourage new builders to modify kolb's wing tip to the hoerner > style? Nope, I DO NOT. > > Homer wanted to be as frugal with our money, as he was with his own, > and he succeeded in giving us a GREAT bank for the buck. > > Thank you Homer ,,,,,,,, may you rest in peace. > Gene Z > > Etc. Etc.... > > Quite a flip flop from last nights post. You are so desperate to get in with this little clique of guys, I hope its worth it for you selling out like you did. Then again, that kind of behavior, doing anything to get in good with a little group, is usually developed in childhood. Its probably such second nature to put group politics over truth and fact, that Gene does not even think about it. I have seen many people like this, and no one respects them. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259567#259567 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2009
From: George Thompson <eagle1live(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: fire star 2 for sale
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: dfcpac <dfcpac@aol. com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:51:23 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: fire star 2 for sale=0A=0A--> Kolb-List message p osted by: "dfcpac" =0A=0Ai recently purchased a real nice f irestar 2, nothing wrong with it. very nice flying plane excellent build bu t decided it's not for me.=0A=0Ait's a 2001, with 160 hrs tt since new. n n umbered esla certified, excellent condition. aloways hangered,stits covered yellow with red trim. rotax 503 b box. three bladed ivo prop. engine infor mation system pull or electric start. kuntzlerman "hot box" bre 750, hydrau licbrakes. 12 gallon fue,large tires. 3 windscreens open or closed. stream line struts, wing tip strobes 4 point harness. icom radio. cage and tube po wder coated. custom kolb trailer. other extra's too=0A=0Avery nice plane i' m selling it for 12,700.00=0A=0Ai'm located on long island in ny=0A=0Aemail - dfcpac(at)aol.com=0Aphone 631 880 2343=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onlin e here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259548#259548=0A =========================0A ===================0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
I knew this was coming. ************************************************************ JetPilot Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 1137 Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with quote Richard Pike, For claiming to be a preacher, you have continually made every attempt to cause problems and get revenge to settle your vendetta at every opportunity. I said this the other day, and previously in the past. Posting offensive pictures just shows what a hypocrite you are. In the past, you participated in bad behavior as much as anyone, and then claimed to leave the list because you did not like the way it was going. Now you have posted by far the most objectionable thing ever see on this list. Your conduct as a preacher reminds me of fanatical religious sects, who claim to be men of God, while committing acts far worse than the people they are complaining about. You would fit in with fanatical sects very well. Because you sure have a need for revenge, and have held a grudge better than just about anyone here. And shame on those that would support this type of thing.. Mike *********************************************************** According to you, Christians are supposed to always keep their mouths shut and to disagree with you is rank heresy. I'll leave it to my congregation and those who know me best to decide if I am a hypocrite or not, feel free to go by the church website and see what I've been doing for the last 12 years and make your decision. In the meantime try this on for size. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259576#259576 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/walksonwater_119.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Subject: Today was the day
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
455 Zulu Delta has been down for awhile as I got carried away with improvements. Over the course of last fall, winter, spring, and most of this summer she got a new engine mount per the 618 mounting in the drawings, new cooling system, new fuel and electrical systems and over the last few days a new throttle quadrant, too. Last night I hooked up the manometer to balance the newly rebuilt carbs and this morning was all about the little details and putting the wings back on.Thanks to all who have made suggestions over the last couple of years. Especially those who pointed out that my pitot static system was probably giving wildly over optimistic readings. Yeah, that's new too. Although I am rusty and all the controls are backward to my trike, I managed to do three full stop landings and one touch and go. Even took a little cruise around the Grand Duchy of Udall when I decided the 582 was probably going to keep running. Thanks to Bob Nuckolls and the Aeroelectric Connection. The Z-17 architecture is perfect. Thanks to my wife, Lou, who wasn't feeling all that well but still helped me put the wings back on and took pictures. Rick Girard oh yeah, archive this PS Oh yeah I went through the "C" gearbox and got rid of that *&%$*(*$*) Rice King clutch. Now I have a glide, too. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2009
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Firestar questions
At 04:43 PM 8/25/2009, b young wrote: >Just food for thought,,,,, drill to the next oversize then weld in a >bushing,,, that would give far more surface area for wear. Problem is, one of them is already drilled out larger (3/8 vs 5/16) and not on center, so it's already too close to the edge of the fitting. My thought is to weld the holes up, then weld plates on over the originals, and redrill (to the original size) in the proper place. -Dana -- It's only premarital sex if you're going to get married. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Sunday breakfast
Date: Aug 25, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Got caught by a camera on they way to breakfast Sunday.Not that nice a day for flying but at least it's Kolb related.Taken from a friend's Chinook over NE Ohio. ??????????????? G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A 465hrs -----Original Message----- From: Don James <jbmindustries(at)att.net> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:05 pm Subject: Pictures of your plane are attached: ? ? ? ? Donald James JBM Industries Kent, Ohio? 44240?? USA ? 330-678-9537 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2009
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Message to Matt
Hi Mike, I can (& do) relate to your frustration with certain elements of the internet community. The problem with any kind of punishment like you describe is that it forces some person to be the ultimate arbitrator, which ultimately means censorship based on one person's opinion. I'd suggest what I consider to be a much better solution. If you get the list through email, you can set up your email client (software) to automatically move any messages from a particular individual directly to your 'junk' or 'spam' folder. If you're talking about the person I suspect you are, I can tell you that I never see anything from him unless someone else responds to his email and quotes him in their reply. His posts may be in the archives, but if no one responds to any of them then anyone who searches for info in the future will, or at least should, be very suspicious of posts with no confirmation from others on the list. Once you learn how to set it up (very simple in most software), the guy will almost cease to exist in your universe, with no need to get into forcing your (and my) opinion on others. If you need some help, drop me a line off-list & I'll try to help you set it up. Charlie planecrazzzy wrote: > > Hey Guys, > Here's a copy of the letter I wrote Matt... > > Have you guys already tried to get SOMETHING done about the > > ongoing constant plague that just never ends...? I hear the complaints > > all the time.... but all anybody can do is hit the Delete key.... > > There's got to be a better way... > . > > >> Hey Matt, >> >> Just thought I'd "Check in" with you.... >> >> >> >> One of the main reasons I left the Kolb Matronics site... and started my own little >> >> Firestar group , was because of some of the Bickering.... >> >> >> >> I check in from time to time... Same crap... same guy... >> >> >> >> Suggestion.... you need some kind of "TIME-OUT" .... >> >> >> >> Maybe for two weeks.... maybe more.... >> >> >> >> Maybe a voted "board" of three or four.... that have to all agree to "time out" someone. >> >> >> >> Because the way it is now..... Sucks. >> >> >> >> Gotta Fly... >> >> Mike & "Jaz" the Flying Dog >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
Jet pilot, Would you mind posting your resume? You speak with a lot of authority and confidence on aerodynamic issues. I have always assumed from your handle that you fly jets. Other than that, do you have specific education in aerodynamics and engineering? Maybe a B.S. degree in aerodynamic theory? A masters in low speed airfoils and wing design? Years of computational fluid dynamics and flow modeling experience? Lots of sizzle...any steak? This isn't a personal attack, I would really like to know. Thanks, -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259633#259633 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2009
jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net wrote: > Mike, > 1st you say: > "The type wingtips on the Kolb now are horrible aerodynamically, exactly why > is > way beyond what I can cover here, but the information is available all over > the > Internet if you research it." > > Then you say, > "Richard P. > > Do you believe everything you read on the net ?" > > Jim Kmet > Jim Kmet, There is a big difference between doing research on the net about aerodynamic theory, and picking ONE page on the Internet that goes against more than 50 years of aircraft design by GA and LSA manufacturers. Obviously this concept is above you intellect, you are just not the brightest bulb in the bunch if this got past you. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259634#259634 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <apilot(at)surewest.net>
Subject: Re: for sale
Date: Aug 25, 2009
What price would be fair for my Mark III Classic? It flies great and matches performance of a Rotax 582 with it's Geo Metro G10 engine and electric Ivo 3 blade prop. Ask off line for pictures at apilot(at)surewest.net Vic Gibson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Love it. May I use it. Know a few people that would get a smile out of that. Tony Downunder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:15 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips > > I knew this was coming. > ************************************************************ > > JetPilot > Joined: 10 Jan 2006 > Posts: 1137 > Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with > quote > Richard Pike, > > For claiming to be a preacher, you have continually made every attempt to > cause problems and get revenge to settle your vendetta at every > opportunity. I said this the other day, and previously in the past. > Posting offensive pictures just shows what a hypocrite you are. In the > past, you participated in bad behavior as much as anyone, and then claimed > to leave the list because you did not like the way it was going. Now you > have posted by far the most objectionable thing ever see on this list. > > Your conduct as a preacher reminds me of fanatical religious sects, who > claim to be men of God, while committing acts far worse than the people > they are complaining about. You would fit in with fanatical sects very > well. Because you sure have a need for revenge, and have held a grudge > better than just about anyone here. > > And shame on those that would support this type of thing.. > > Mike > *********************************************************** > > > According to you, Christians are supposed to always keep their mouths shut > and to disagree with you is rank heresy. I'll leave it to my congregation > and those who know me best to decide if I am a hypocrite or not, feel free > to go by the church website and see what I've been doing for the last 12 > years and make your decision. > > In the meantime try this on for size. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259576#259576 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/walksonwater_119.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Richard Girard was unfortunately correct. A lot of heat but I have not even seen the wing tip designs and was unable to use the link provided. I will look through previous posts. -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259652#259652 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Firestar questions
Date: Aug 26, 2009
I had a heavy wing on my firestar , and after talking to kolb and Bryan Melborn a fix is to weld up the hole and reposition it up or down in the wing tab. Doing this changes the angle of atack of the wing. It {MAY} be that if you fly the plane you'll find that the hole is where it should be for that particular A/C. Moveing the hole 1/2 the hole width made a difference in the way my plane flys. On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Dana Hague wrote: Good luck Frank Goodnight firestar 2 Brownsville , TX > > At 04:43 PM 8/25/2009, b young wrote: > >> Just food for thought,,,,, drill to the next oversize then weld >> in a >> bushing,,, that would give far more surface area for wear. > > Problem is, one of them is already drilled out larger (3/8 vs 5/16) > and not on center, so it's already too close to the edge of the > fitting. > > My thought is to weld the holes up, then weld plates on over the > originals, and redrill (to the original size) in the proper place. > > -Dana > -- > It's only premarital sex if you're going to get married. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Richard Pike, Well done! -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259664#259664 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunday breakfast
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Gary, Nice photos of a nice Aussie powered Kolb. In the second photo I see something foreward of the engine that is white in color that looks to be a fairing of some sort. Can you tell us what that is? Also noticed your extended exhaust system. That surely gets the carbon off the prop. Have you noticed any other difference with the exhaust extension? -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259665#259665 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunday breakfast
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Gary, Nice photos of a nice Aussie powered Kolb. In the second photo I see something foreward of the engine that is white in color that looks to be a fairing of some sort. Can you tell us what that is? Also noticed your extended exhaust system. That surely gets the carbon off the prop. Have you noticed any other difference with the exhaust extension? -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259666#259666 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunday breakfast
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Gary, Nice photos of a nice Aussie powered Kolb. In the second photo I see something foreward of the engine that is white in color that looks to be a fairing of some sort. Can you tell us what that is? Also noticed your extended exhaust system. That surely gets the carbon off the prop. Have you noticed any other difference with the exhaust extension? -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259667#259667 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunday breakfast
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Thom, ?? The fairing covers completely the aft end of the engine enclosing the distributors, coils and the upper half of the carb.It also directs a smooth air flow to the cooling shrouds.I can't take any credit for the design for it was installed when I purchased the Mark from Will Tatham . I will get some pictures that show it's design clearly,for it is easily removed with 3 an3 bolts in less than a minute.I don't beleive it weighs a pound. ??????? The exhaust is strictly home brewed.Noise abatement in the cabin was the motivation for this.That part worked well,no power loss BUT,if you have ever felt the air movement coming out of the cabin end of the fuselage tube, just add exhaust to the mix.Had to make a 4" foam gasket in the tube to keep from getting gassed.The chrome tail pipes are VW and they quiet things down OK but after 150 hrs the baffles are gone and I need to unweld the pipes and replace them. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> ? Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:13 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast Gary, Nice photos of a nice Aussie powered Kolb. In the second photo I see something foreward of the engine that is white in color that looks to be a fairing of some sort. Can you tell us what that is? Also noticed your extended exhaust system. That surely gets the carbon off the prop. Have you noticed any other difference with the exhaust extension? -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259665#259665 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunday breakfast
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Thanks, G. I'd very much like to see the photos of the fairing. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259679#259679 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fwd: Photo
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
? Thom, ? Here is a couple from Geo.Alexander. -----Original Message----- From: George T. Alexander, Jr. <gtalexander(at)att.net> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:34 am Subject: Photo Gary: I'm sure you have many, but attached?are a couple of photos?showing your?engine w/cowling that I took at Buchan.? In case you wanted to?share with Riddle/Kolb List. Hope all is well. George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net ? ? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Thom Riddle wrote: > Richard Pike, > > Well done! Thom, You have also flip flopped on this issue just to impress your friends in your little clique. Two days ago you posted: Thom Riddle wrote: > I can't say what the Hoerner style wingtips will do for a Kolb wing but can tell you they make a world of difference on a Cherokee 140. Can't tell much difference at high cruise but slow flight lateral control and stability were much improved over the standard Cherokee wingtips. Now you tell Richard Well done for posting bad and false information, and support him in posting some of the worst attacks ever seen on this forum. Very typical of a looser that just goes along with whatever his friends do, the same type of mentality you see with little street punks and their gangs. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259688#259688 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Kolbers, Way back NACA was interested in different wing tip configurations. In a 1923 study, they compared three different wing profiles using three different wing tip rake angles. You can see it at: http://naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk/reports/1923/naca-report-140.pdf In all cases, the lift to drag ratio improved with increased rake angles for low angles of attack with increased tip rake angle. Some of the most up to date work on this subject has been done by http://www.winggrid.ch/ where they make a short fat wing act like a high aspect ratio wing. It would be interesting to see a FireFly with this wing. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
MikeBigblow: Wrong again. My "Well done" was for the art work Richard did, which had zero, nothing, zilch, nada to do with the subject of wing tips and EVERYTHING to do with you. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259693#259693 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Jack, Could you check the link you posted http://www.winggrid.ch/ ? When I click on it, it does not go to what I think you meant it to go to. I'm very interested in the study. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259694#259694 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Thom Riddle wrote: > MikeBigblow: Wrong again. My "Well done" was for the art work Richard did, which had zero, nothing, zilch, nada to do with the subject of wing tips and EVERYTHING to do with you. Lets see, you support Richard posting some of the worst things ever seen on this list, and then you criticize me. Double standards, hypocrisy, call it what you want, what I said about you is true. You are a the type of loser that does not care about right or wrong, or anything except fitting in with you little gang. Typical street punk behavior, you are a very impressive man Thom, I wonder if you teach your kids the same values ? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259700#259700 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Gang Mentality, And A Few driving many away from Kolb List
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
I provide a lot of good and educated information about Kolbs on this forum, and in response I get a lot of questions and comments about what people have done to their planes in email and private messages. One of the most common comments I see is that people want to improve their Kolbs, or have done so, but are afraid to post a report or ask a question that might be deemed " Unpopular " with a certain little group here. They see the constant harassment I get when posting good information about fuel filters, VG's, or any other subject here, always by the same little gang of guys. These guys do a disservice to the Kolb community by offering up one liners with zero factual information, and try to mislead people and attempt to discredit good and factual information I post about Kolbs here. It take a pretty small man that is so threatened by someone else posting good information here, that they need to mislead and distract other members of this forum away from important information about their Kolbs. People do notice the way this small group of guys act, and either directly, or indirectly attack anything I post on this list: JAMESBEARD305(at)msn.com wrote: > > Being a newbie myself, lurking for years, I have not had the experience of being ridiculed, but instead ignored... > For every person that speaks up, there are many more that are driven away from this list by this constant hostile attitude by a small group of guys. The few of you doing this, you are a disservice to this list and to the Kolb community. This little group claims to be " Offended " by some of the things I have said, yet they post the worst things ever seen on this list, both by volume and content. We all know people will do far worse things when in a gang than alone, and we see this street punk gang type mentality in action here. There is no excuse for their behavior, and just because a few of their friends are egging them on does not make it OK. This forum has some of the worst examples of hypocritical behavior and double standards I have ever seen anywhere. Those of you participating in this, you are killing your own forum, and doing a disservice to the the people that come here for safety and other information on how to improve their Kolbs. Putting your own personal vendettas above the posting much safety information here is a disservice to everyone that reads this list. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259706#259706 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
OK Mike, you win. Through your extreme powers of persuasion, I finally must admit that each and EVERYONE else on the list is a scum bag. Only YOU are worth anything at all. I now see the error of my ways. I shall go into rehabilitation, if YOU think that there is any chance at all for me. If you do please advise me where to get the help I need, for it is obvious that I don't have the mental capacity to figure it our for myself. If YOU don't think I have any chance at all, please advise me of that too. That way I will no beyond a shadow of a doubt because the great one has said it is so. Until then, bite me. El Fin -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259711#259711 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Lets see, you support Richard posting some of the worst things ever seen on this list, and then you criticize me. Double >> C`mon you guys. Cool it. One of the drawbacks of e-mail is that you can make an instant response. I have found over the years that when I am in a real rage over something (which is pretty regularly)it is a great thing to write a letter venting my spleen on the cause of my anger. You then keep it until the next morning. Tear it up, write a reasoned reply. This achieves two things. One) It gets all your anger out of your system. two) It enables you to refute, with reasoned argument, whatever has upset you. We are all on the same side here. There are no enemies, there are just things on which we disagree. Thats life, no need to go ballistic. Cheers Pat (with peacemaker hat on) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Peace hat
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Dang Pat; The last time you Brits brokered a peace we ended up in WWII, so put the peace hat back in the closet:) Jim H ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Subject: World's cheapest static port
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
One of the last things I did before hanging the wings again was redo the pitot static system based upon comments from folks here who said the airspeeds I was seeing were rather optimistic. As I was casting about for ways to make static ports I hit upon this idea and it seems to work.Take a 3/16" aluminum pop rivet with 1/8" to 1/4" grip range and pull the ball just part way into the rivet body. Knock out the stem leaving the rivet hollow. Grip in a pair of pliers and drill out with # 30 drill bit. Use an 1/8" aluminum rivet to attach the larger rivet to the inside of the fuselage pod. I had an existing hole about 4" in front of the instrument panel and level with the door strut on my Mk III. so I used it and matched it on the opposite side. Hook up with vinyl hose or primer line via a Tee fitting to the ASI. I made the pitot out of 1/4" tubing poked straight out of the nose cone about 2" and then made a removable extension about 8" long attached with 1/4" ID fuel line. I learned the hard way that the fat lady who hasn't seen her shoes while standing in years will not see a low mounted pitot tube, either. :-) It seems to work and the numbers I get are in line with the factory quoted stall speed and those that others have quoted here for a 582 powered Mk III. Rick Girard ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
At 11:43 AM 8/26/2009, Jack B. Hart wrote: > >Way back NACA was interested in different wing tip configurations. In a >1923 study, they compared three different wing profiles using three >different wing tip rake angles.... >In all cases, the lift to drag ratio improved with increased rake angles.. Interesting Jack, kind of like the "power tip" mod you made to your propeller (as did I on one of my paramotors). >Some of the most up to date work on this subject has been done by >http://www.winggrid.ch/ ... Bad link. -Dana -- New Yorkers like to boast that if you can survive in New York, you can survive anywhere. But if you can survive anywhere, why live in New York? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Even 50 klicks on a tiny, narrow English country road can be hair-raising!>> Hi Robert, I guess you just have to be born here. I can remember Yank convoys driving round here during the war. They knocked down more miles of wall than you would believe. Some of it had been on the edge of falling down for a couple of hundred years. The army only had to drive by and they suddenly fell . Farmers were rebuilding walls on the insurance pay out for years. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
Date: Aug 26, 2009
You forgot to mention the cell phone...Mike...unbelievable the number of idiots on the road with them stuck in their ears while driving.. Hi Herb, Is driving while using the phone illegal in the US? It is here, but it doesn`t seem to make much difference. I don`t believe that the `hands free` system should be allowed either. No matter how easy it is supposed to be, it IS distracting. Fancy being killed just because some guy is so important that he must be in constant touch. Cant be very difficult to design a phone that shuts down when the ignition is turned on. Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
May be we should ask Matt to start a "bitchlist" where anyone could go to vent their spleen. Just a thought, as it may help to keep the kolblist on target. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Subject: Making a working static port
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
It won't work worth a darn if you don't drill an .05" hole in the mandrel of the 1/8" after it's pulled. THEN install the line. Sorry about that. Rick ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Quote: jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:39 am Post subject: Wingtips Reply with quote Kolbers, Way back NACA was interested in different wing tip configurations. In a 1923 study, they compared three different wing profiles using three different wing tip rake angles. You can see it at: http://naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk/reports/1923/naca-report-140.pdf In all cases, the lift to drag ratio improved with increased rake angles for low angles of attack with increased tip rake angle. Some of the most up to date work on this subject has been done by http://www.winggrid.ch/ where they make a short fat wing act like a high aspect ratio wing. It would be interesting to see a FireFly with this wing. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ********************************************** Really interesting article on that first link Jack, my old Maxair Hummer had that sort of wingtips, don't know how much difference they made in how it flew, but it did fly quite well. Could you resubmit that second link? It's not working. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259746#259746 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
> >Jack, > >Could you check the link you posted http://www.winggrid.ch/ ? When I click on it, it does not go to what I think you meant it to go to. I'm very interested in the study. > >-------- Thom, I apologize for shooting a blank. I copied a jump out of my bookmarks without checking it. After googling I found that most references seem to have disappeared from the web. It may be due to copyright due to the fact that NASA partially funded the research. The jump that I found was: http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/winggrid6.html The following is a table reproduced from the jump. It indicates that if this technique is applied to light aircraft there will be a significant reduction in induced drag possible. Aircraft Aspect Induced % wing Reduction Total drag type ratio drag % span with of induced reduction geom. of total WING-GRID drag DC-9-80 9.62 30% 5% 10% 3% by retrofit elliptic wing Maule 6.2 50% 5% 50% 25% by retrofit MXT-7-180 rectangular wing UL-plane 6 60% 20% 70% 42% by retrofit estimate rectangular wing By the way, this is just not theory, aircraft are flying using this technology. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gang Mentality, And A Few driving many away from Kolb List
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Jim Hauck, Out of respect for your brother John H, who is one of the finest people I have ever met, I have never disrespected you in any way. Your above post was way out of line and uncalled for. Don't even try to excuse your post because you " just want this to stop, " because you have ignored much worse posts from all the others over the past few days, and not said a word. Double standards, and jumping in with the gang don't do much for your credibility. You may feel you are " IN " with the little gang now, comfortable that your little friends are backing you up, but you know better. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259756#259756 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Blumax008(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Subject: Re: The crazy guy is retiring from The List...
This is Bill Catalina of Tallahassee, Florida...actually Ochlockonee Bay but nobody knows where that is. Anywho, I'm sure some if not most (or all) of you will be happy to hear that I am retiring from the list effected as soon as someone tells me how to do it...get off the list that is. I know I cause too much crap with my Old World Ways of doing things, no BRS, no $80 fuel filter, no techy talk, 503 six times beyond recommended overhaul & a myriad of other things you whippersnappers of today...and yesterday...hate to hear. I was just trying to let the new people know that they don't have to spend enough money to launch the Space Shuttle to get into this sport, they don't have to buy $100 fuel filters & they don't have to be an aeronautical engineer. Hell, I flew without any instruments at all for many years...just relied on my eyesight, feeling & hearing & just knowing what things were supposed to sound & feel like. For you Trike riders out there...YES...you can fly with a severely bent keel tube that's been blown over by a storm...not too far I might add but far enough to get you back to your airport. You'll know you've gone too far when your wing ribs start flapping loose & falling out of their pockets...remember where they drop off. KISS...Keep It Simple S----- So long & goodbye Mrs. Calabash...wherever you are! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Date: Aug 26, 2009
On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > Gene, > > Just some thoughts. There a couple of other factors that may help > you. Your > lateral cg is centered and this puts equal load on each wing. Also, > you > engine and propeller combination may weigh less than John's so your > vertical > cg is lower. Both of these factors will promote increased lateral > stability > given equal dihedral. > > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN Jack, The position of the cg does have a significant effect on roll performance. However on my plane with the modified hoerner type wing tips the cg is significantly lower than on my Mark II. giving it more pendulum effect which works to resist rolling. To roll out of a bank angle with rudder only the hoerner type tips must over power this greater pendulum stability. My Firestar with the hoerner modified tips will pick up a wing with rudder only. On my Mark II will not, But The Mark II does have a noticeably quicker aileron roll response, I believe primarily because the cg is closer to the center of the wing's roll axis. Gene ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Mark III Value
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
<< What price would be fair for my Mark III Classic? It flies great and matches performance of a Rotax 582 with it's Geo Metro G10 engine and electric Ivo 3 blade prop. Vic Gibson >> Vic - As always, the "fair" price is whatever a buyer is willing to pay. (That was no help, I know!) In looking at the prices posted for Kolb Mark-IIIs on Barnstormer's over the past year, I've seen Mark-IIIs listed there, priced from the mid-teens (503-powered), to upper-teens (582-powered), and up to the low-twenties for a few 912-powered ones. Of course, these were asking prices - who knows what the final sale prices ended up at. Perusing Barnstormer's will likely give you the best comparable price references. Good luck - Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul, "Magic Bike" Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunday breakfast
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast Thanks, G. I'd very much like to see the photos of the fairing. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259679#259679 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunday breakfast
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Hope it helps -----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast Thanks, G. I'd very much like to see the photos of the fairing. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259679#259679 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunday breakfast
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Thom, Attached,3 at a time -----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast Thanks, G. I'd very much like to see the photos of the fairing. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259679#259679 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunday breakfast
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Thanks again. The photos are a great help. That fairing sure cleans up that area nicely. Do you suppose the carb inlet is getting relatively low pressure air aft of the fairing? I know Bing says not to subject the air inlet to high ram air pressure, presumably due to its potential affect on automatic mixture control. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259785#259785 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com>
Subject: Re: Gang Mentality, And A Few driving many away from Kolb
List
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Mike Please grow up. And shut up. HAVE SOME FEAR! -- if you're flying so fast you scare yourself, maybe you're just showing off. On Aug 26, 2009, at 2:27 PM, JetPilot wrote: > > Jim Hauck, > > Out of respect for your brother John H, who is one of the finest > people I have ever met, I have never disrespected you in any way. > Your above post was way out of line and uncalled for. > > Don't even try to excuse your post because you " just want this to > stop, " because you have ignored much worse posts from all the > others over the past few days, and not said a word. Double > standards, and jumping in with the gang don't do much for your > credibility. You may feel you are " IN " with the little gang > now, comfortable that your little friends are backing you up, but > you know better. > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259756#259756 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunday breakfast
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Thom. ?I don't even want to think about pressure problems.It's bad enough I have to twist the Bing 20 degrees to even up the EGT's.Took a week of sorting it out at first,but all is good now.1390-1400egt 290 cht. I'm afraid to touch it again. ?G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:29 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast Thanks again. The photos are a great help. That fairing sure cleans up that area nicely. Do you suppose the carb inlet is getting relatively low pressure air aft of the fairing? I know Bing says not to subject the air inlet to high ram air pressure, presumably due to its potential affect on automatic mixture control. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x34 A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works. - John Gaule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259785#259785 Thom' I don't ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: First Flight follow-up,
At 03:06 PM 8/26/2009, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: >My Firestar with the hoerner modified tips will pick up a wing with >rudder only. On my Mark II will not, But The Mark II does have a >noticeably quicker aileron roll response, I believe primarily because >the cg is closer to the center of the wing's roll axis. That makes sense. The slanted underside of he Hoerner tips probably gives a little dihedral effect, and it's dihedral (which stock Kolbs have little or none of) that's necessary for rudder to induce roll. -Dana -- Lie ? Me ? Never! No, no, no, the truth is far too much fun! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Firestar questions
At 07:17 AM 8/26/2009, frank.goodnight wrote: >I had a heavy wing on my firestar , and after talking to kolb and >Bryan Melborn a fix is to weld up the hole and reposition it up or >down in the wing tab. Doing this changes the angle of atack of the wing. > >It {MAY} be that if you fly the plane you'll find that the hole is >where it should be for that particular A/C. That may well be, but as it is the hole in the fuselage side is so oversized, and so close to the edge (and not even straight!), that I wouldn't want to fly it. I think the best thing is to weld up and redrill the holes in the fuselage fittings, then fly it, and then weld and redrill the hole in the wing tab (where there's a lot more room for adjustment) if necessary. -Dana -- Most politicians aren't crooks, but the ones that are sure are making the other 10 percent look bad. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Pat' ?Can't be that difficult .We have people over here whose brain shuts down when their mouths open.Could use the same technology on their cell phones I'd think.Just a thought,no offense..... ?? G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 12:52 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Filter Failure ? You forgot to mention the cell phone...Mike...unbelievable the number? of idiots on the road with them stuck in their ears while driving..? ? Hi Herb,? Is driving while using the phone illegal in the US?? It is here, but it doesn`t seem to make much difference. I don`t believe that the `hands free` system should be allowed either. No matter how easy it is supposed to be, it IS distracting. Fancy being killed just because some guy is so important that he must be in constant touch.? ? Cant be very difficult to design a phone that shuts down when the ignition is turned on.? ? Cheers? ? Pat ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Subject: Re: Sunday breakfast
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
At Rotax classes I even asked Eric Tucker about my idea to put ram air into the carb throat and vent the float bowl to static pressure. Nope, can't do that either. Unfortunately we went to lunch about then and I never got to follow up and ask why it wouldn't work. It seems you can't have pressure compensation and screw around with the pressure.While it's a bit more radical, Zenith makes carbs for Harleys that have an adjustable main jet. Now you're just talking some kind of mechanical linkage to hook it up. Just a thought. Rick Girard On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:20 PM, wrote: > Thom. > I don't even want to think about pressure problems.It's bad enough I have > to twist the Bing 20 degrees to even up the EGT's.Took a week of sorting it > out at first,but all is good now.1390-1400egt 290 cht. I'm afraid to touch > it again. > G.Aman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:29 pm > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast > > > Thanks again. The photos are a great help. > > > That fairing sure cleans up that area nicely. Do you suppose the carb inlet is > > getting relatively low pressure air aft of the fairing? I know Bing says not to > > subject the air inlet to high ram air pressure, presumably due to its potential > > affect on automatic mixture control. > > > -------- > > Thom Riddle > > Buffalo, NY > > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > > Tennessee Prop 64x34 > > > A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple > > system that works. > > - John Gaule > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259785#259785 > > > Thom' > I don't > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Carb Tuning
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Richard/Gang: Took the liberty to change the subject line to reflect what you all are talking about. If we do that, when it comes time to search the Kolb List Archives for information, maybe we can find what we are looking for. I assume you are talking about 912 carbs. These carbs operate on two static port sensors, one is the float chamber vent and the other is a port in the lip of the carb. These two ports compare static pressure and assist in positioning the piston in the vacuum chamber. I use air filter covers with the float chamber vent tube stuck in between the cover and the filter. Works pretty good. If you have ram air impacting that port in the carb lip, it probably will upset the ability to read and compare static pressure correctly. That's the way I understand it. john h mkIII At Rotax classes I even asked Eric Tucker about my idea to put ram air into the carb throat and vent the float bowl to static pressure. Nope, can't do that either. Rick Girard ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Warp props and Rotax 582
I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For those of you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty of clearance? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Mark Rinehart ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Carb Tuning
From: "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
There are several ram air motorcycles with carbs that act the same way as the Bings on the 912. In the motorcycle world they are called Constant Velocity carbs (CV) Velocity in the venturi creates low pressure, there is a hole in the bottom of the slide (Piston) The low pressure lifts the slide against a spring pushing it down. Here is the basics of the system. The venturi and float bowls are both pressurized. The fuel system normally uses a pump One system pressurizes the fuel tank and then a throttles position sensor activates a solenoid to relieve tank pressure when the throttle is closed Neatest systems I have seen have the whole carb in the airbox. The power increase is not likely to be noticeable at 70 mph or so. You are unlikely to see positive pressure at the speed we fly at but less negative pressure still does the trick. Some drag race motorcycles (not sure of the class) use data acquisition and monitor Intake absolute Pressure. Not much happening till the speed gets pretty high. Really only makes a difference at high speed high throttle opening. -------- Dale Whelan 503 powered Firestar II Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259869#259869 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Warp props and Rotax 582
Date: Aug 26, 2009
From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com>
Mark I don't have an extension on my prop and I have a MK3 Classic with a warp drive prop Ellery in Maine -----Original Message----- From: mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:14 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582 I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For those of you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty of clearance? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Mark Rinehart ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary" <kolber2(at)atcyber.net>
Subject: Warp props and Rotax 582
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Mark, I also have a Mark IIIc with Warp Drive (3 bladed). It has a 582 with B gearbox and no extension. Clearance has not been a problem. Gary Siegrist From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder Jr Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582 Mark I don't have an extension on my prop and I have a MK3 Classic with a warp drive prop Ellery in Maine -----Original Message----- From: mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:14 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582 I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For those of you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty of clearance? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Mark Rinehart ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary" <kolber2(at)atcyber.net>
Subject: Warp props and Rotax 582
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Mark, I also have a Mark IIIc with Warp Drive (3 bladed). It has a 582 with B gearbox and no extension. Clearance has not been a problem. Gary Siegrist From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder Jr Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582 Mark I don't have an extension on my prop and I have a MK3 Classic with a warp drive prop Ellery in Maine -----Original Message----- From: mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:14 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582 I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For those of you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty of clearance? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Mark Rinehart ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: Warp props and Rotax 582
Date: Aug 26, 2009
I have a 66 inch warp on my Firestar mounted on an HKS motor. I first used it without an extension, I can't remember how many hours, but the drumming from the prop ended up cracking the Poly fiber paint on the right wing. Little spider cracks. Granted the fabric is not quite as tight as it could have been, but I put an extension on it and the reduction in noise was worth it. There was enough clearance and the wrap is stiff enough you aren't going to have any trouble, but If you have one handy, I personally would put it on. Larry C ----- Original Message ----- From: mark rinehart To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582 I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For those of you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty of clearance? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Mark Rinehart ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08/26/09 12:16:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Carb Tuning
Date: Aug 26, 2009
My early experimentation with the suzuki included attempts to make a mikuni CV carb work with it. I spent too much time with poor results. I tried to educate myself and varied as many elements as I could but gave up and stuck the solex on. Too bad, it was (and still is) a nice looking and lightweight contraption. I never thought about fuel pressure requirements. ?????? BB On 26, Aug 2009, at 10:04 PM, dalewhelan wrote: > > > There are several ram air motorcycles with carbs that act the same > way as the Bings on the 912. > In the motorcycle world they are called Constant Velocity carbs (CV) > Velocity in the venturi creates low pressure, there is a hole in > the bottom of the slide (Piston) The low pressure lifts the slide > against a spring pushing it down. > Here is the basics of the system. > The venturi and float bowls are both pressurized. > The fuel system normally uses a pump > One system pressurizes the fuel tank and then a throttles position > sensor activates a solenoid to relieve tank pressure when the > throttle is closed > Neatest systems I have seen have the whole carb in the airbox. > The power increase is not likely to be noticeable at 70 mph or so. > You are unlikely to see positive pressure at the speed we fly at > but less negative pressure still does the trick. > Some drag race motorcycles (not sure of the class) use data > acquisition and monitor Intake absolute Pressure. Not much > happening till the speed gets pretty high. > Really only makes a difference at high speed high throttle opening. > > -------- > Dale Whelan > 503 powered Firestar II > Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259869#259869 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fwd: Photo
From: "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Where did you get that fairing at the wing fuselage junction? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259906#259906 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
Date: Aug 27, 2009
BTW, despite what you may think, I consider this an endearing quality and memorable experience, so there's no disrespect at all!> Hi Robert, We like it. Incidentally New Zealand has no motorways at all. No wonder I like that country. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fwd: Photo
Date: Aug 27, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
I was told that the source of these fairings went away.It was installed before I purchased the Mark- 3.Next rainy day I will search the paperwork I got with the plane for evidence of the source.This 1999 kit languished in California for 4 or 5 years before coming to Ohio for completion.I suspect some of these fairings were found or made there in the late 90's or early 2000's -----Original Message----- From: albertakolbmk3 <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 1:39 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fwd: Photo Where did you get that fairing at the wing fuselage junction? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259906#259906 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Peace hat
Date: Aug 27, 2009
The last time you Brits brokered a peace we ended up in WWII, so put the peace hat back in the closet:)>> Hi Jim, neat but a trifle unfair.. You sound as if you are getting to enjoy it! Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Peace hat
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Pat and all; Nope, don't enjoy urinating contest at all. Waste of time and energy. Have a good one. Jim H ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wing U-joint
From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Dear Kolb gang, I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation please. By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now, plenty of power. Thanks, Jimmy Y FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS -------- Jimmy Young FS II, HKS 700 N7043P Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Jimmy, The joint should not have any play in it, but it should not be tight either. If the castle nut is tightened to much, it will put undue stress or even break something when you twist the wing. The assembly needs to rotate freely under the castle nut, with the minimum play possible. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259974#259974 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Hi Jimmy, My u joints were the same, I simply snugged it them down until they had no slop, but would still move. Of course while you are there, be sure to check every thing and make sure that it meets the safety requirements. My plane was built by someone else as well, and I think he just didn't get it tightened as tight as he should have or there was a burr or something on it. It looks as though you are taking advantage of the new engine to make up for lost time. Good for you! I just turned 500 hours on my 94 Firestar this morning. Larry C ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Young To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Wing U-joint Dear Kolb gang, I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation please. By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now, plenty of power. Thanks, Jimmy Y FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS -------- Jimmy Young FS II, HKS 700 N7043P Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08/27/09 08:11:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 27, 2009
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
>I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation please. > Jimmy, I removed all play from the U-joints by drilling out the holes and bushing them to get good bearing surfaces for the pins/bolts. To take the slop out of the hole for the cage swivel bolt, I shimmed the bolt to fit the hole and then used a couple of greased "O"rings as compression springs and a washer, so that I could tighten the nut and put the whole joint in compression. With this scheme one does not have to loosen the nut to fold the wings in order to get rid of all slop in the joint. How it was done can be seen at: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly128.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wingtips
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2009
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote: > > > UL-plane 6 60% 20% 70% 42% by retrofit > estimate rectangular wing > > By the way, this is just not theory, aircraft are flying using this technology. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN Very good post Jack, and exactly what I have been saying about wingtips in this thread all along. This also proves another point, that Richard Pike, Rick Gerard, and a couple others are so desperate to settle an old score and discredit anything that I post, that they will mislead everyone, and try to suppress good information in order to advance their own personal agenda. These people that instigated this whole episode and those that jumped on the bandwagon of joining in on a bash fest over good and true information are nothing but a disservice to the Kolb community. Even though these guys are under the illusion that misleading this group, and posting bad information is OK as long as their little gang supports them, most people do come here for good information and ways to improve their Kolbs. I think most readers will think twice before listening to Richard Pike, and a couple of the others for aviation advice. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259980#259980 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Jimmy Yes tighten the nut down enough to take the slop out. The problem may be that the next hole in the castle nut may be too tight to allow the joint to rotate for folding. Find some thin washers. Use the thin washer/s between the nut and U-joint to get the U-joint snug but loose enough to rotate. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Wing U-joint > > Dear Kolb gang, > > > I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-joint > has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the castle nut > that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've got one that is > nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of slop in it. I > believe it's been that way since I've owned the plane, but just noticed it > this week when I grabbed the leading edge near the root rib and shook the > wing a bit. There is a bit of space between the back of the U-joint and > the square tube it is mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm > assuming tightening that nut down some solves the problem, just want some > confirmation please. > > By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now, plenty > of power. > > Thanks, > > Jimmy Y > FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS > > -------- > Jimmy Young > FS II, HKS 700 > N7043P > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Workin on my firestar
From: "Kirkds" <kirkds(at)dishmail.net>
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Been working on my firestar. Finally got the airspeed to read accurately thanks to Mr. Pikes idea of mounting the static and pitot as suggested on his website. Thanks! Also found that the supposed glass inline fuel filters that were discussed on another thread aren't all glass. The one I got from a leading aircraft parts supplier advertised as glass was some kind of plastic and it warped apparently from the fuel. Was testing the system with the electric pump and fuel began spurting out the filter where the clear plastic meets the gasket. Took it off and apart and found the supposed glass was plastic and it is deformed from the fuel. I'm fortunate that I discovered it on the ground and not in the air. Whew! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259996#259996 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Hi Jim, My Firestar has very loose hinge joints, If i tighten the nut up more one more cotter key hole it makes the assy too tight and I can't fold the wings without tearing something up. I've thought about making some brass shims.as I fold every time I fly. All that slack can't be good for the bolt or fitting. Glad you brought it to mind I'll have to move fixing it to the top of my To Do List . If I didn't have to fold I would just tighten the nut, shimming as necessary. Glad to hear your HKS is doing good. Mine has over 80 almost trouble free hrs. Frank Goodnight Firestar2 HKS Brownsville, TX On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Jimmy Young wrote: > > Dear Kolb gang, > > > I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U- > joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the > castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've > got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe > 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned > the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading > edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of > space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is > mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening > that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation > please. > > By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now, > plenty of power. > > Thanks, > > Jimmy Y > FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS > > -------- > Jimmy Young > FS II, HKS 700 > N7043P > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
Date: Aug 27, 2009
> Yes tighten the nut down enough to take the slop out. The problem may be > that the next hole in the castle nut may be too tight to allow the joint > to rotate for folding. Find some thin washers. Use the thin washer/s > between the nut and U-joint to get the U-joint snug but loose enough to > rotate. > > Rick Neilsen Jimmy Y/Gang: You can get AN washers the normal thickness, 1/16" and thin ones, 1/32". That will help get the slop out. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 27, 2009
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
Frank Pull the nut and grind its back side in a trial and error manner til you get the desired result...Herb At 02:16 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote: > >Hi Jim, > >My Firestar has very loose hinge joints, If i tighten the nut up more >one more cotter key hole it makes the assy too tight and I can't fold >the wings without tearing something up. I've thought about making >some brass shims.as I fold every time I fly. All that slack can't be >good for the bolt or fitting. Glad you brought it to mind I'll have to >move fixing it to the top of my To Do List . If I didn't have to fold >I would just tighten >the nut, shimming as necessary. >Glad to hear your HKS is doing good. Mine has over 80 almost trouble >free hrs. > >Frank Goodnight >Firestar2 >HKS >Brownsville, TX >On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Jimmy Young wrote: > >> >>Dear Kolb gang, >> >> >>I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the >>U- joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the >>castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've >>got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe >>3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned >>the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading >>edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of >>space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is >>mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening >>that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation >>please. >> >>By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now, >>plenty of power. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Jimmy Y >>FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS >> >>-------- >>Jimmy Young >>FS II, HKS 700 >>N7043P >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >08/27/09 08:11:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Hi Herb, I think thats a better idea than making shims , easier anyway . Thanks for your input. Frank Goodnight On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Herb wrote: > > Frank > > Pull the nut and grind its back side in a trial and error manner > til you get the desired result...Herb > > > At 02:16 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> My Firestar has very loose hinge joints, If i tighten the nut up more >> one more cotter key hole it makes the assy too tight and I can't fold >> the wings without tearing something up. I've thought about making >> some brass shims.as I fold every time I fly. All that slack can't be >> good for the bolt or fitting. Glad you brought it to mind I'll have >> to >> move fixing it to the top of my To Do List . If I didn't have to fold >> I would just tighten >> the nut, shimming as necessary. >> Glad to hear your HKS is doing good. Mine has over 80 almost trouble >> free hrs. >> >> Frank Goodnight >> Firestar2 >> HKS >> Brownsville, TX >> On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Jimmy Young wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Kolb gang, >>> >>> >>> I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the >>> U- joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten >>> the >>> castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've >>> got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe >>> 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned >>> the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading >>> edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of >>> space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is >>> mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening >>> that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation >>> please. >>> >>> By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now, >>> plenty of power. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jimmy Y >>> FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS >>> >>> -------- >>> Jimmy Young >>> FS II, HKS 700 >>> N7043P >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> 08/27/09 08:11:00 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
Date: Aug 27, 2009
> Pull the nut and grind its back side in a trial and error manner > til you get the desired result...Herb Might work for Herb, but not for me. Like I mentioned earlier today, there are thick, 1/16" washers and thin, 1/32" washers, AN type available to do the job. I'll use washers the get the correct fit, before grinding off the protective cad plating on the nut. john h mkIII ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Workin on my firestar
Date: Aug 27, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
The way fuels have changed over the last 10 years or so, has put the load of testing components squarely on the shoulders of the pilot.The slosh compound we used to seal our tanks years ago cannot resist the chemicals like toluene ,ethanol.hexane and benzene You would not believe the head aches that has caused for the guys with molded in, fiberglass tanks.Look up the msds for unleaded fuel.The safest way probably is to stick with avfuel.But If I was looking for a filter I would use one that has a record of success with the type of fuel I intended to use.I can't see a problem using an automotive filter from NAPA if I was using unleaded auto fuel.I know a lot of the guys have had no problem with those small glass filters but I like those 3" long 2" dia. clear plastic inline numbers,probably because I'm frugal, plus I can see whats in it ? G.Aman MK-3C 470hrs, 282hrs.on a NAPA inline -----Original Message----- From: Kirkds <kirkds(at)dishmail.net> Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:21 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Workin on my firestar Been working on my firestar. Finally got the airspeed to read accurately thanks to Mr. Pikes idea of mounting the static and pitot as suggested on his website. Thanks! Also found that the supposed glass inline fuel filters that were discussed on another thread aren't all glass. The one I got from a leading aircraft parts supplier advertised as glass was some kind of plastic and it warped apparently from the fuel. Was testing the system with the electric pump and fuel began spurting out the filter where the clear plastic meets the gasket. Took it off and apart and found the supposed glass was plastic and it is deformed from the fuel. I'm fortunate that I discovered it on the ground and not in the air. Whew! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259996#259996 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
Date: Aug 27, 2009
That is the best remedy. I have an aluminum spacer in one of my joints to adjust sweep in that wing to match the other. I smear never-seize on the whole mess and have zero wear so far. BB On 27, Aug 2009, at 4:24 PM, Herb wrote: > > Frank > > Pull the nut and grind its back side in a trial and error manner > til you get the desired result...Herb > > > At 02:16 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote: >> >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> My Firestar has very loose hinge joints, If i tighten the nut up more >> one more cotter key hole it makes the assy too tight and I can't fold >> the wings without tearing something up. I've thought about making >> some brass shims.as I fold every time I fly. All that slack can't be >> good for the bolt or fitting. Glad you brought it to mind I'll >> have to >> move fixing it to the top of my To Do List . If I didn't have to fold >> I would just tighten >> the nut, shimming as necessary. >> Glad to hear your HKS is doing good. Mine has over 80 almost trouble >> free hrs. >> >> Frank Goodnight >> Firestar2 >> HKS >> Brownsville, TX >> On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Jimmy Young wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Kolb gang, >>> >>> >>> I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the >>> U- joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply >>> tighten the >>> castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've >>> got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe >>> 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned >>> the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading >>> edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of >>> space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is >>> mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening >>> that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation >>> please. >>> >>> By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now, >>> plenty of power. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jimmy Y >>> FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS >>> >>> -------- >>> Jimmy Young >>> FS II, HKS 700 >>> N7043P >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> 08/27/09 08:11:00 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 27, 2009
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
>I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation please. > Jimmy, I removed all play from the U-joints by drilling out the holes and bushing them to get good bearing surfaces for the pins/bolts. To take the slop out of the hole for the cage swivel bolt, I shimmed the bolt to fit the hole and then used a couple of greased "O"rings as compression springs and a washer, so that I could tighten the nut and put the whole joint in compression. With this scheme one does not have to loosen the nut to fold the wings in order to get rid of all slop in the joint. How it was done can be seen at: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly128.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gang Mentality, And A Few driving many away from Kolb List
From: "geoffthis" <geoffthis(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 27, 2009
JetPilot/Mike and Kolb List regulars, My name is Geoff Thistlethwaite and have been receiving (in digest form)and reading this list for quite some years...some of you long time listers may remember my questions to the list way back when I was building my Firestar II circa 1996 to 99... I rarely post as there are those that usually get an answer posted before I do. Before I write what I'm about to I'd like to first thank ALL who post here on a continuing basis...you folks have over the years made this list informative and fun for me to read. Please take what I'm about to write as constructive criticism. JetPilot/Mike, you have provided very much good and educational info on this forum, I'm glad you do post here and I hope you don't leave. However, there is a tendency on your part to have a "chip on your shoulder" attitude. You seem to take anything less than total agreement with whatever you post very personally. If, for instance, someone doesn't buy and install the same type of fuel filter on their aircraft as you have recommended then that is their decision to make. It only throws fuel on the fire when you berate them for not following your advice. Perhaps before hitting send you should take a good look at whatever you have written and check to see that it passes the John Hauk "system" of posting - ie "This is how and why I did/would do it but you should make your own decision on what you want to do with your aircraft" As to the other members of the list that seem to be unable to let almost any of JetPilot/Mike's comments/advice pass without "jumping into the fray" I gotta say JetPilot/Mike is right that this is a dis-service to the rest of us on the list. If you disagree, fine, state your factual reasons for disagreement and leave it at that. Personal insults do the rest of us no good. I have left several other lists, both aviation and pro-audio, because the bickering became so prevalent that the good info gets lost in the signal-to-noise ratio. I'd hate for that to happen to this good source of info/entertainment on wonderful aircraft. Thanks for your attention, Geoff Thistlethwaite Firestar II (in rebuild, soon) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260092#260092 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 27, 2009
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
I was mindful , when I suggested that the bolt could ground , that the washer could also be ground...belt sander works well... that said...I also know that the cadmium plating on the drag spar attach bolt ,u joint assy, likely has been diminished by melting when the bolt was welded to the square tube cross member... Likely some lube is in order... :-) Welding a cadmium plated anything is hazardous...It melts at about 600 deg. F.. just about as bad as Berillum if inhaled... Herb At 03:56 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote: > > > > Pull the nut and grind its back side in a trial and error manner >>til you get the desired result...Herb > > >Might work for Herb, but not for me. > >Like I mentioned earlier today, there are thick, 1/16" washers and >thin, 1/32" washers, AN type available to do the job. > >I'll use washers the get the correct fit, before grinding off the >protective cad plating on the nut. > >john h >mkIII > > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >08/27/09 08:11:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:22:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jdy100(at)comcast.net writes: I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation please. Jimmy, Here is my experience with the U-joints: On my plans & instructions, it called for the castle nut to be tightened up just enough to allow the fitting to rotate when folding the wings, then install a cotter pin. But as others have mentioned, the cotter hole does not always line up, so I had to back off on the nut some, which allowed some slight slop, although not enough to cause any harm. A buddy of mine had an idea to use a self locking nut, instead of the castle nut and cotter pin, and we both installed those type nuts on our FireStars. We fold/unfold our wings every time we fly and the self locking nut does not loosen. On one of my U-joints, the large hole which fits onto the bolt end was supplied predrilled, slightly oversize, and that allowed a slight amount of slop, but again it was not enough to be a problem. The instructions also say to lube it annually. Someone mentioned grinding off the back side of the nut, or to use different thickness washers to get a better fit so the cotter pin will fit into the hole with the nut at the tightness desired. I have used both of these ideas to remove play from the control fittings. Sometimes I could not get the desired tightness even when changing washers. That's when I used the grinding of the nut method. However, rather than grinding and getting the nut crooked, I place the nut on a flat file and slide it back and forth, removing some metal, but keeping it flat. It's true that it does remove the cadium plating, but then I grease it well and so far no rust. It doesn't take much metal removal to make the holes line up. That's how I did it. Bill Varnes 1994 Original Kolb FireStar 500+ hours Audubon NJ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Wingtips
Date: Aug 28, 2009
To all you guys who are much better informed in maths and aerodynamics than I this may be of interest. I have come across a fairly new search engine called Wolframalpha which answers question directly rather than ,like Google, offering you a list of other places to follow. This engine seems to deal with advanced maths among other things and in the `tour video` it brushed through Reynolds Numbers and illustrates airflow. It seems to me that if some of you smart guys can formulate the question properly we can get a `proper` answer to the effectiveness of reshaped wing tips, winglets etc., Its a fun site too. I discovered that I share a birthday with Caligula. Hows that for a conversation stopper? Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 28, 2009
After pulling my wing, I found my U-joint castle nut was simply not tight enough. I locked it down, firm but still movable, put a new cotter pin in it, and all is good with both wings equally solid. Of course I had to go fly it. The only thing hard was pulling and re-installing the wing by myself without tearing anything up, but I've learned how to use carpet and barrels as cheap labor. I'm certain the slop has been in there since I got the plane 2 years ago, as I've never messed with either U-joint before other than pulling wings. It was a great evening to fly, fairly light winds and only upper 80's due to some earlier T-storm activity. I took one pic, NW of Galveston and well-south of Houston. Thanks for all the tips and advice - Jimmy Y -------- Jimmy Young FS II, HKS 700 N7043P Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260164#260164 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0484_136.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 28, 2009
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
At 11:32 PM 8/27/2009, WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:22:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >jdy100(at)comcast.net writes: > >I have used both of these ideas to remove play from the control >fittings. Sometimes I could not get the desired tightness even when >changing washers. That's when I used the grinding of the nut method... I'd be more inclined to grind the washer rather than the nut, which could leave a sharp edge to rub on the bolt. Or make a new washer out of shim stock. -Dana -- We wonder why the dogs always drink out of our toilets, but look at it from their point of view: why do humans keep peeing into their water bowls? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 28, 2009
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay
At 02:37 AM 8/28/2009, jerb wrote: >I'm confused regarding these clear screw together filters. In the past I >have read on more than this list not to use them, stay away from them, to >as much as your sure to crash and burn more or less. Apparently there are >different brands and quality. > >The question then becomes how to determine which is which. I was totally >caught off guard and surprised when I read John Hauck was using them... I believe that John is using an old one that he bought years ago, with he original more robust center screw. I'm using one too, on my UltraStar. Mine IS one of the cheap manufacture later ones. I check it for tightness during my prelight, and it's supported on both ends with zip ties through short tubing standoffs to the frame. No trouble so far (~50 hours). -Dana -- We wonder why the dogs always drink out of our toilets, but look at it from their point of view: why do humans keep peeing into their water bowls? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 28, 2009
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay
At 02:37 AM 8/28/2009, jerb wrote: >I'm confused regarding these clear screw together filters. In the past I >have read on more than this list not to use them, stay away from them, to >as much as your sure to crash and burn more or less. Apparently there are >different brands and quality. > >The question then becomes how to determine which is which. I was totally >caught off guard and surprised when I read John Hauck was using them... I believe that John is using an old one that he bought years ago, with he original more robust center screw. I'm using one too, on my UltraStar. Mine IS one of the cheap manufacture later ones. I check it for tightness during my prelight, and it's supported on both ends with zip ties through short tubing standoffs to the frame. No trouble so far (~50 hours). -Dana -- We wonder why the dogs always drink out of our toilets, but look at it from their point of view: why do humans keep peeing into their water bowls? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay
Date: Aug 28, 2009
jerb/Gang: I think my filter is a Purolator. I could be wrong since I bought it in 1984. Used it on all three of my Kolbs. Removed my glass tube, after it cracked the first night, and replaced with a similar size piece of 6061 tubing. I think it is .058"X1". Takes a minute to pull it apart to check the filter. John Williamson had one he flew with the glass tube, but I feel better with the aluminum tube. On the other hand, all my antique tractors have glass sediment bowls. Only time they break is when I drop them on something hard. ;-) My Kubota tractors use plastic sediment bowls. I was in Walmart and O'reilly's Auto Parts yesterday. Walmart has the filter under the Atwood brand name and O'reilly's has theirs under some unknown name. Walmart's was less than $9.00 with a single element. O'reilly's had replacement elements, 3 for nearly $5.00. john h mkIII John H, do you have a brand name and source for the ones your using. jerb ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pain ol South Louisian flying pics
From: "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Aug 28, 2009
I do my best to try to fly more than: 1) Type on the computer. 2) Cut grass. So here are some plain ol South Louisiana flying pics. We have been "blessed" by some unusually cool August weather here this past week. High has only gotten to 92!!!! Cleared things up. So, here are a few Kolb flying pics. Nothing special, just better than some recent posts. Sorry, that is an opinion, not a proven fact. Pics are of Mississippi River at St. Francisville, LA. Includes the ferry that has been used here forever for traffic crossing. There is a picture of a new span bridge that will eventually replace the ferry. Also a picture of Nauga Field. Some will notice the changes on the SE end (foreground). Hope the climate improves on the list too. I monitor another flying list that is going through similar issues. Have not met a Kolb driver that I didn't like, face to face. Have more fun! -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260186#260186 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/copy_of_8_23_09_flight_23_285.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/copy_of_8_23_09_flight_32_201.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/copy_of_8_23_09_flight_34_176.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/copy_of_8_23_09_flight_3_151.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing U-joint
Date: Aug 28, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Just what I like,lots of mowed hay fields available for any eventuality. -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Young <jdy100(at)comcast.net> Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 6:54 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wing U-joint After pulling my wing, I found my U-joint castle nut was simply not tight enough. I locked it down, firm but still movable, put a new cotter pin in it, and all is good with both wings equally solid. Of course I had to go fly it. The only thing hard was pulling and re-installing the wing by myself without tearing anything up, but I've learned how to use carpet and barrels as cheap labor. I'm certain the slop has been in there since I got the plane 2 years ago, as I've never messed with either U-joint before other than pulling wings. It was a great evening to fly, fairly light winds and only upper 80's due to some earlier T-storm activity. I took one pic, NW of Galveston and well-south of Houston. Thanks for all the tips and advice - Jimmy Y -------- Jimmy Young FS II, HKS 700 N7043P Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260164#260164 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0484_136.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pain ol South Louisian flying pics
Date: Aug 28, 2009
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
John, ? Nice pictures,one question.How long is Nauga field,tree line to tree line? -----Original Message----- From: John Bickham <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 9:29 am Subject: Kolb-List: Pain ol South Louisian flying pics I do my best to try to fly more than: 1) Type on the computer. 2) Cut grass. So here are some plain ol South Louisiana flying pics. We have been "blessed" by some unusually cool August weather here this past week. High has only gotten to 92!!!! Cleared things up. So, here are a few Kolb flying pics. Nothing special, just better than some recent posts. Sorry, that is an opinion, not a proven fact. Pics are of Mississippi River at St. Francisville, LA. Includes the ferry that has been used here forever for traffic crossing. There is a picture of a new span bridge that will eventually replace the ferry. Also a picture of Nauga Field. Some will notice the changes on the SE end (foreground). Hope the climate improves on the list too. I monitor another flying list that is going through similar issues. Have not met a Kolb driver that I didn't like, face to face. Have more fun! -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C w/ 912UL St. Francisville, LA I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260186#260186 Attachments:


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