Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-it
August 19, 2009 - August 28, 2009
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Subject: | Flying the range, looking for cows in the three forks area |
of Owyhee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cqp3PrUQUg
I uploaded a short video of the Three Forks area of the Owyhee from an
unusual height for me. All the better to see cows at, not on video of
course, but to the naked eye.
Larry C
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC |
> An extra Kolb III nose cone will cause the Classic to fly better, but it
is a challenge to adapt the nose to let it fit. Good luck with your search.
Vic Gibson
>
Vic:
How did you come up with the Xtra nose cone making an original MKIII fly
better?
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
From: | "Carl Tosh" <carl.tosh(at)yahoo.com> |
Yes, the filter,water separator on ebay for Kawasaki looks to use the same mesh
filter as the two I have. I have one with hose barbs as in the picture and one
that has barbs at a right angle. Both have the same filter size. Don't know
what a new filter costs but,shouldn't have to buy many as they are well made and
cleanable. Works for a poor boy anyway. Carl
--------
mongsterone
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From: | <apilot(at)surewest.net> |
Subject: | Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC....reason |
The reason that a flatter bottom surface on the nose cone is better for speed and
economy is because the bottom surface surfs at cruise speed. The wider it
is, the better it surfs and the induced drag created by the horizontal stab and
elevator to hold the nose up is reduced due to the uplift force on the nose.
Parasite or profile drag is usually less than induced drag. There is a limit
to the benefit of fuselage strakes or flat bottom nose cones, but I do not know
what it is. Vic Gibson (Mk III Classic)
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC....reason |
> The reason that a flatter bottom surface on the nose cone is better for
speed and economy is because the bottom surface surfs at cruise speed.
Vic Gibson (Mk III Classic)
What about the top of the big flat nose?
john h
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mike have no fear fuel filter. |
> Given the fact that so many flying machine accidents are caused by some
> type of fuel problem, my choice is to be very careful in that area.
> Use good fresh clean fuel, clean cans, good fuel line with good clamps, a
> nice big fuel filter that is capable of collecting lots of crud before
> plugging etc.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
Ron L:
Good post.
I might add: Take a fuel sample in a clean, clear container before the
first flight each day, and if there is any doubt about the source of fuel if
fueling away from your home field.
That was my mistake, both times I lost my 912. Not fuel filter, or lines,
or finger strainer, fuel pumps, clamps, but my neglect in taking a good fuel
sample after refueling from new, unfamiliar, uncertified sources.
When I am on a cross country I usually always refuel out of a pump at an
airport, even if it cost more. I'll take on fuel from a service station,
out of gas cans, as I do at Monument Valley and also at Larry Cottrell's.
In an emergency I'll take it where I can get it, but I will drain a sample,
after the fuel settles and see what I have taken on board.
Don't want to get bit the third time.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | trying to takeoff |
From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
When taxiing out to the runway yesterday, I was blocked for awhile by some pesky
geese ....
I really didn't want to mow them down with my powerful Firestar ....
Ralph B
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
960 hours
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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Subject: | Re: Cockpit controlled trim for Firestar-2 - Request Inputs |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Mahesh, The cockpit adjustable elevator trim tab on a Mini Max I once owned
was a pretty simple lash up of a piece of hinge, a cable and an RC
bellcrank. Seemed to work okay.One caveat, the trailing edge of the Kolb
elevator is made of 5/16" aluminum tubing and there isn't a lot to attach
to, or much to control any torque said trim tab would put upon it. You
could change that, too, but now you're into uncovering, adding weight,
recovering, adding weight, repainting, adding weight.........
Not an expert, but why not go with a KISS system like Larry's fixed tab or
a
bungee system and see if that doesn't get the job done well enough.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
>
> At 01:02 PM 8/19/2009, Mahesh Iyer wrote:
>
>> I wanted some expert advice on building a cockpit controlled trim for my
>> Firestar-2.
>>
>> Can any of you guide me with some good designs that I could use as a
>> starting point to build? After flying the Cessna=92s for quite some time
, I am
>> pampered by the use of the trim wheel and want to build something close
to
>> it for my Firestar-2.
>>
>
> I built a simple bungee trim for my UltraStar.
>
> <
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v486/flyparafan/Kolb/?action=view&cur
rent=elevator_trim.jpg
> >
>
> I have aluminum trim tabs on the elevators, set to a slow cruise (about 4
0
> mph) on the theory that I might survive a landing at that speed if the
> elevator linkage broke. The bungee adds nose down trim, giving me just
> enough for a shallow dive when the front tanks are nearly empty. What yo
u
> see in the picture is a loop of bungee cord (the black and white striped
> lines), which attach to the elevator bellcrank at the rear and a piece of
> cord at the front (the red sleeve covers the knots). The cord goes aroun
d a
> pulley attached to the fuselage frame with a cushioned tube clamp, thence
to
> a jam cleat (also attached with cushioned clamps) where I set it as
> required. Pull back on the line for nose down. Of course a Firestar is
> different but the idea would be the same.
>
> The bungee, pulley, cleat, and red ball on the end of the line are all fr
om
> West Marine.
>
> -Dana
> --
> If cars had followed the same developmental path as computers, a Rolls
> Royce would cost $100, get a million miles per gallon and explode once a
> year, killing everyone inside.
>
>
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From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: trying to takeoff |
At 09:13 PM 8/19/2009, you wrote:
>
>When taxiing out to the runway yesterday, I was blocked for awhile
>by some pesky geese ....
>
>I really didn't want to mow them down with my powerful Firestar ....
>
>Ralph B
My god, you've got to know when to back down & know when to
assert you're rights. Most of them ignore all the rules, where I'm from.
You obviously had the right of way!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA4Ts9_k8C4
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC....reason |
I prefer flying my original MKIII over any of the MKIIIx's.
john h
mkIII
Just a guess here, guys, since more surface area is more skin drag,
but might the improvement have more to do with improving the air flow
into the prop?
Rick Girard
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Confident With My Equipment |
Hi Gang:
I was rambling around my computer tonight and came across this photo of the
Owyhee River Canon, approaching Leslie Gulch Boat Ramp. This was on our
flight to Oregon last May 2009. This is one of my favorite photos of that
area. Brings back some great memories of a wonderful day the Rock House
Gang had flying out of Larry Cottrell's place in SE Oregon.
john h
mkIII
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From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | For Sale Old Kolb Co FireFly Nose Cone & Gear Leg |
Hey folks,
Any one need a new unused replacement FireFly nose cone (The Old Kolb
Aircraft vintage) or a gear leg, I believe I still have one gear leg
on hand. I need to sell these and get them out of the way. If
interested email me direct. Located in Dallas TX area.
jerb
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From: | George Thompson <eagle1live(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Confident With My Equipment |
Thats nice.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hau
ck =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday,
August 19, 2009 7:59:15 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Confident With My Equipmen
t=0A=0AHi Gang:=0A=0AI was rambling around my computer tonight and came acr
oss this photo of the Owyhee River Canon, approaching Leslie Gulch Boat Ram
p.- This was on our flight to Oregon last May 2009.- This is one of my
favorite photos of that area.- Brings back some great memories of a wonde
rful day the Rock House Gang had flying out of Larry Cottrell's place in SE
Oregon.=0A=0Ajohn h=0AmkIIIThats nice=0A=0A_______________________________
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From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: trying to takeoff |
Possum,
Aren't you limited to only 3 rounds in your gun when shooting geese or ducks?
Boy, if a low down nasty Sport Pilot types should happen across your
video and forward it on to a wild life protection group, your going
to be big heap of pig crap explaining this. They'll have the video of
those explosive rounds knocking those birds out of the
sky. Perpetrator hung, case closed.
jerb
.
At 07:12 PM 8/19/2009, you wrote:
>At 09:13 PM 8/19/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>When taxiing out to the runway yesterday, I was blocked for awhile
>>by some pesky geese ....
>>
>>I really didn't want to mow them down with my powerful Firestar ....
>>
>>Ralph B
>
>My god, you've got to know when to back down & know when to
>assert you're rights. Most of them ignore all the rules, where I'm from.
>You obviously had the right of way!
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA4Ts9_k8C4
>
>
><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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From: | "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
Good to see you making progress. I use half flap to take off and let the
flaps off at about 300ft AGL. I land with full flap,mainly because I
feel I have much better control if landing in gusty or cross wind
conditions. Also as most of my flying has been in these very light
aircraft I prefer steep arrivals . Its easier to dump height with no
engine than it is to try and gain height with no engine. Letting the
flaps go, had to think about that one. Mostly take my hand off the
throttle and reach up with my left hand.I am left handed and this just
feels right.I also like to let off the trim before using the flap, I
think this gives me a better feel for pitch control in the flare. This
is the way that I do it, others will do it different , I think with your
experience you may need to experiment a bit and do it the way you are
comfortable with. Sink rate and inertia { or lack of }
are two big differences that you will need to get comfortable with.
>From my exeriance ,any bad things these Kolbs do are pilot induced .I do
have to be mindful that when I fly other microlight aircraft
{ultralights } they may not be so forgiving. The only time I have not
been comfortable flying the Kolb is when cought in winds gusting up to
40 mph, I found turning into wind to land a most mind focusing
experiance . have fun , stay safe up there .
Downunder
MK111c
503
From: HGRAFF(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: First Flight follow-up,
Wow, I've been away from the computer for a couple of days and find a
regular storm of many outraged responses. Also, as well, intended
helpful ones.
My, I've been told I have an attitude problem, with the implications I
don't appreciate good advice, fly an out of rig, out of CG, not built to
plans, porpoising monster into an imminent crash.
Guys cool it. The porpoising only lasted 3 - 4 seconds into the first
flight, when I over-controlled, surprised by the sensitivity of the
pitch. My friend, another GA type had the same problem. Maybe it was my
problem for calling this sensitivity "extreme", because I find it at the
extreme end of anything I've flown before, excepting maybe the
helicopter I owned. Gosh, I only asked the "insane" question if anybody
had done anything to reduce this pitch sensitivity.
To put some of the feathers down, let me state the CG is normal, Mr.
FAA went through the various load calculations to check. This is a
straight built classic, without any mods yet. The engine was run in
stages for 5 hours, going through the recommended step ups. When it was
time for high RPMs the prop was set the specified Static RPM. (Yeah,
double checked with a separate optical meter)
In regards to the heavy left wing, where I said "strong" force is
required to overcome it. Well, what is strong, perhaps the same force
required to initiate a bank. I do think one or two trim tabs will cure
that.
I have a question. For all those sweetheart perfectly trimmed Kolbs,
how long will it fly when you remove your hand, or do you still need to
switch hands to set the flaps. Oh yes, how many of you use flaps in a
normal landing. (considering the acute pwr off sink rate already -
flames away!)
To be sure, I thank you for and appreciate all your writing efforts.
(I'll confess, I did a few quick deletes)
Off line I have been in contact with one of yours, a hundreds of hours
guy, that has been most helpful. His opening remarks were something like
"Hi, when I started out, I had very similar experiences" was a most
reassuring msg someone could send to me.
Haven't had that much time to work on the Kolb, since its airport is 2
hours away, at Columbia Co. Airport in upstate NY, plus weather has been
some fickle. Shall I dare do another follow-up?
Herb
MarK IIIc, 246KT, 1.3 hrs and going.
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From: | "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
Subject: | Re: Confident With My Equipment |
Great photo
Downunder
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:59 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Confident With My Equipment
> Hi Gang:
>
> I was rambling around my computer tonight and came across this photo of
> the
> Owyhee River Canon, approaching Leslie Gulch Boat Ramp. This was on our
> flight to Oregon last May 2009. This is one of my favorite photos of that
> area. Brings back some great memories of a wonderful day the Rock House
> Gang had flying out of Larry Cottrell's place in SE Oregon.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
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Subject: | Re: Flying the range, looking for cows in the three forks area |
o
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Good videos as usual, Larry.
I bought one those chewing gum cameras like yours from Amazon.com hoping to do
some videos from my Slingshot. But it turns out that the advertiser's claim that
it is compatible with Macintosh computers is untrue, so I sent it back and
got a full refund with no hassle.
I have a Sony that works well and will have to rig a mount of some sort to use
it. At least it has a remote that I can use in the cabin.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Cockpit controlled trim for Firestar-2 - Request Inputs |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
This one worked pretty good. May work again after I rebuild the airplane...
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSII%20Hot%20Box.html
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: trying to takeoff |
At 11:47 PM 8/19/2009, you wrote:
>Possum,
>Aren't you limited to only 3 rounds in your gun when shooting geese or ducks?
>
>Boy, if a low down nasty Sport Pilot types should happen across your
>video and forward it on to a wild life protection group, your going
>to be big heap of pig crap explaining this. They'll have the video
>of those explosive rounds knocking those birds out of the
>sky. Perpetrator hung, case closed.
>jerb
No, I'm pretty sure it's legal, if you don't have it on "full auto".
Look under the LSA regs (I'm a stickler for regulations) see
section ..................I forget the section right now. The geese
started it with the "Sully" Sullenberger incident anyway!
I've sent it in to the Sierra Club and PETA a couple of times for
their Nature Film Festival, but they keep bouncing it back?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5232234046747826901
Possum
--------
"NO BEER" - Not going as fast as you can? Let me help you
out - which way did you come in?
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From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Flying the range, looking for cows in the three forks area |
of Owyhee
Very cool, Larry!- But where's the engine sound? Somehow there's a cowboy
yodeling instead of the sweet sound of the engine.
Arty
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
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--- On Wed, 8/19/09, Larry Cottrell wrote:
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Flying the range, looking for cows in the three forks a
rea of Owyhee
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:17 PM
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=0AI uploaded a short video of the Three Forks area of the =0AOwyhee from a
n unusual height for me. All the better to see cows at, not on =0Avideo of
course, but to the naked eye.=0ALarry C=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Herb,
There are no hard feelings here, I hope you feel welcome on the list. It is full
of good people and good information. This is the best source of information
on the planet for your Kolb.
One thing you need to understand, I took your flight report the only way I could,
just as you wrote it. There have been Kolbs flown before that were on the
edge of control, and from what you described, that is where you were, a very dangerous
condition. If that is not that case, I am very happy, I don't like reading
accident reports and fatalities in Kolbs. You also need to know that
after a bunch of good advice, you proposed the use of anti servo tabs to correct
some of your listed problems... Again a very dangerous option, it should not
surprise you in the least you got a very direct and harsh response. Just
remember, it was to help you.
I have nothing to gain by being hard on you, except for the fact that had everything
gone wrong and you had crashed, that I would have been able to sleep at
night knowing I did everything I possibly could. First in a nice, and then in
a not so gentle way, to get you to rig your plane correctly and safely.
No one here will jump all over your case for asking a question, ask away ! I
dont use flaps for landing either, My Kolb comes down very quickly without them.
I always do my landings from high, and at flight idle all the way down. If
that engine is going to quit, many times they like to quit when you pull back
the power to idle. Be high enough that you can continue your approach with
or without the engine. Its a bit more difficult than the standard 3 degree glideslope
with power, but I think its a good technique once you are confident in
the airplane. Of course, work up to this, because it does make for a more
difficult flare and landing. I learned to fly my Kolb doing normal, partial power
approaches, and transitioned over as soon as I felt I could do it without
bending the gear.
Trim tabs are OK on the ailerons for small changes, I have them on mine for very
small corrections, like only the difference between having a passenger or not
in the right seat... I also have fixed trim tabs on my elevator, again a very
small correction. Be careful, trim tabs can bite you ! Adding to much weight
to the control surface can cause flutter, ( anti servo tab on elevator ),
and also having a trim tab come lose can easily cause flutter and be fatal.
Treat trim tabs with great respect, they can be very dangerous if not attached
securely. Done correctly , they can be a great help.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Re: Confident With My Equipment |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Incredible photo John, something like you would see in a magazine. I bet there
would be a lot of happy people here on the list if you would post more of those
:)
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Subject: | Re: Flying the range, looking for cows in the three forks area |
of Owyhee
There is no way to win, first I leave out the music, someone wants
music, now its too quiet and yodeling to boot? Try humming to your self
and making engine noises with your mouth on the next one. :-)
Larry (Dangerfield) C
----- Original Message -----
From: TheWanderingWench
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying the range, looking for cows in the
three forks area of Owyhee
Very cool, Larry! But where's the engine sound? Somehow there's
a cowboy yodeling instead of the sweet sound of the engine.
Arty
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Date: 08/19/09 18:06:00
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Confident With My Equipment |
> Incredible photo John, something like you would see in a magazine. I bet
there would be a lot of happy people here on the list if you would post more
of those :)
>
> Mike
Hi Mike B/Gang:
Thanks for the complement.
The mission of posting that photo was two fold. First, because I liked it
and thought it was a pretty area. Second, it is very hostile terrain with
few places to land without tearing up the airplane, and maybe me. This
demonstrates my confidence in the equipment I fly. All the equipment I fly,
to keep me from having to land in those kinds of places.
I acquired that confidence by testing what I fly for many hours in many
different parts of the North American Continent, in many different
meteorological conditions.
I try to maintain the KISS principal, Keep It Simple Stupid. That works
much better for me.
Here's another exciting photo. I'm trying to teach Larry Cottrell how to
hook his seatbelt and shoulder harness at MV 2004. ;-)
Thanks again.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Confident With My Equipment |
From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Here is my example of "confident with my equipment".
Picture of Rainbow Bridge, located about 40 miles west of MV. Roughest terrain
I have ever flown over. Hard, steep rock everywhere. Don't think there is a
flat spot of over 100 feet for 8 - 10 miles in all directions.
I've gotten a lot help and advice from some folks to get my plane and equipment
to a point to be able to make this kind of trip! Challenging, but worth every
minute. Of all the flying I've done, these long XC's are the real test of pilot
and plane. The KISS method helps too when you do have an issue out there,
away from home. Sometimes a trip to local Wal-Mart or NAPA can get you going
in a few minutes vs a few days or even weeks. Even on a Sunday. Just my humble
opinion.
This trip, over 4600 sm and +61 hours and not a single mechanical/equipment issue.
All I had to do was put good, clean fuel in her.
Thanks to those that helped me get there!
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Confident With My Equipment |
> Picture of Rainbow Bridge, located about 40 miles west of MV. Roughest
terrain I have ever flown over. Hard, steep rock everywhere. Don't think
there is a flat spot of over 100 feet for 8 - 10 miles in all directions.
>
> John Bickham
Here's a little more info on Rainbow Bridge:
http://www.onlineutah.com/rainbowbridgehistory.shtml
john h
mkIII
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Alaska 2004 Photo |
Came across this one while looking for something else. Got out the map and
measured from where I had landed on the beach of the Arctic Ocean, at the
site Will Rogers and Wiley Post were killed in 1935, 12 miles south of
Barrow, Alaska, to the nearest coast line of Russia. From my left wing tip
to Russia is 450 miles southwest.
If I had had the courage and capability to fly the Alaskan coast southwest
to Wales, AK, I would have been 50 miles from Russia. To get to Wales from
Barrow is 480 miles. To fly to Anchorage from Wales would have been 639
miles, with very few gas pumps in between.
Hard to comprehend how big Alaska is, and how much complete wilderness there
is up there, until you get out there and fly it in a little airplane.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
One of my favorites taken by John Williamson at Larry Cottrell's Rock House,
landing to the south, downhill, on the departure end of the airstrip.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
On my first flight in N420P, had a notable tendency to yaw right and roll left.
That is typical of a MKIII when you are solo in the left seat, and if prop turns
clockwise when you are standing at the tail looking forward. Resolved with
a trim tab on the rudder turned to the right, and a ground adjustable tab on
the right aileron. If you add tabs, you will probably end up adding counterbalances
to reduce the tendency of control surfaces to flutter.
On my first landing, I got into a momentary PIO just before touchdown, incurred
by being too hyper and nervous. Settled down, no further problems. MKIII elevator
is sensitive, but that's not a problem unless you are hyper...
On Ed's FSII, we also had the pitot and static air above the nosecone for a while,
never could get it to get anywhere close to accurate. Ended up putting it
below and slightly forward of the nosecone, worked fine.
More details here
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Keep tweaking -
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (42oldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Richard Pike wrote:
>
>
> On my first flight in N420P, had a notable tendency to yaw right and roll left.
That is typical of a MKIII when you are solo in the left seat, and if prop
turns clockwise when you are standing at the tail looking forward. Keep tweaking
-
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (42oldPoops)
>
>
I have no such problems with my MK III. Weather I am alone or with a 200 pound
passenger, I can fly feet on the floor, and ailerons roll the plane very well
in both directions. There is a very small roll trim change, due to weight being
heavier to one side of the plane, but so small that I can fly it with just
two fingers on the stick alone or with passengers... My Kolb is so stable and
flys so well, it is well worth to do the research and work to rig your plane
properly. My Kolb is as easy to fly in cruise as about any airplane, my first
time passengers, even non pilots never have any trouble taking the stick and
driving it around the sky in cruise, never needing to touch the rudder pedals,
and never any porpoising.
I have had experience with flying my MK III out of rig on the first flights, and
it was very dicey in Roll control, to the point of being dangerous, but it was
very easy to fix by properly aligning the trailing edges of the wing with washers.
If your Kolb does not fly nice and stable, do whatever it takes to fix
it, because a properly rigged Kolb MK III is very relaxing and docile to fly.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
That is a cool picture, definitely makes your Kolb look like a bush plane !
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Re: Nose cone for MKIIIC....reason |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
John H has a higher cruise speed than my MK III Xtra. I also seem to get much
more pitch down from my big flat front window and need a lot more up elevator
to counteract it. Given what I have seen, I think the MK III Classic is faster
with less drag. But I still love my wide cockpit and huge windows :)
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Just plain ol' Waycross |
From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
Got to fly a bit this morning (no fog! yeah!)
Pretty plain pictures compared to what some of you fly over. But I enjoyed practicing
my landings. I needed the practice! Got 7 in before having to head to
work.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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Subject: | wieght and balance sheet for My M3X |
From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
here it is Mike....
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> That is a cool picture, definitely makes your Kolb look like a bush plane
!
>
> Mike
Wonder why?
Sometimes it acts like a bush plane, especially in the bush.
Here's one of the Kolb Camp, Alvord Desert, 2005, in front of the Steens
Mountain. This was the first get together of the Rock House Gang, a year
prior to there being a Rock House in the family. Larry gave us GPS
coordinates to meet on the Alvord. Gary Haley, John Williamson, and I flew
from Texas and Alabama for our first camp out on the Alvord. We had a great
time with Larry, Karen, and Roger Hankins. Nice looking group of Kolbs, and
a damn fine looking camp. I was hooked on the Alvord immediately. I have
visited the Alvord six times since 2005. Will be in the Alvord again in a
few weeks. I love it. Not many people. ;-)
The second photo was a mandatory pit stop in a dry river bed southwest of
Baker, CA, on the return flight home from the Alvord, 2005. As a
precaution, prior to takeoff, I dug out the sand from the front of the main
gear. It was much deeper than I anticipated, but the 800X6 Airtracs did a
good job of getting me in and out. Would not land there normally, but this
was a semi-emergency. I had flown from near Santa Clarita, CA, non-stop
with a full load of coffee.
john h
mkIII - Almost a bush plane. ;-)
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Subject: | Re: wieght and balance sheet for My M3X |
From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
let's try this again......
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: wieght and balance sheet for My M3X |
and again?..........
On 21, Aug 2009, at 3:41 PM, ces308 wrote:
>
> let's try this again......
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259002#259002
>
>
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From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
To anyone in the area of the Lake Erie Islands.Saturday A.M.5 or 6 planes of the
North coast lite flyers will be heading that way.Our first stop will be Wakeman
(I64) about 8:30.If you care to join us, we will be on 123.475 when enroute
from Akron Ohio.Not to far for you Rick!
? G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200a
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Subject: | Firestar II Project for sale |
From: | "special4" <sportsflyer(at)comcast.net> |
I have to many projects and need the Hangar space. Firestar II project for sale.
See ad on Barnstormers.
Peter Sonders
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Sportsflyer
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Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
Thanks Richard,
As well as the many others, for their encouragement and good advise. You
write about exactly as my off line mentor has done, describing very similar
experiences. The tabs are still to be tried out and fortunately both
ailerons as well as the rudder are already counterbalanced, so the addition of
tabs should not raise that much flutter worry.
I have adjusted to the elevator sensitivity and have not a problem with it
in landing. (I hope it stays that way if turbulence). There is more
difficulty with nervous feet after the landing to keep from over-controlling.
Somebody said the Mark III steers like a nose-wheel craft and I have to concur
with that, it is very precise and responsive. I'm used to "Break-Away"
tail wheels like on the Citabria, where after the break only the rudder is in
control.
Though plain taxiing is banal, in real sharp turns I sure miss the toe
brakes. I have difficulties pushing the rudder to its stop, plus getting the
heel brake to assist me. Don't laugh, but what I do is push the rudder with
one foot and use the other foot to operate the heel brake to assist. (Man,
can I see comments flying my way about this!)
In regards to the pitot static above the cone, the indications are surely
bogus and it will be moved to the bottom in order of business. I am
surprised nobody has taken me to task of reporting stall at 42-45, but climbing
out at 40. Don't ask me to explain it, I'll just say the indications are
silly. Fortunately, I have a very good sense of feel what an aircraft wants to
do and are comfortable enough. (Maybe that is because I also hold an
International Aerobatic rating {NO, none of that in the Kolb}).
Richard, thanks again for sharing your first flight experiences, it is
most re-assuring to get it.
I don't feel that oddball any more in my first Kolb flying.
If someone has a picture of his pitot/static positioning below the cabin,
he is satisfied with, would you please send a copy to me off line, because I
would like to get it into the correct position with just one hole
drilling.
Thanks, Herb
Mark IIIc, 246KT just 1.3 hrs
In a message dated 8/21/2009 11:55:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
richard(at)bcchapel.org writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike"
On my first flight in N420P, had a notable tendency to yaw right and roll
left. That is typical of a MKIII when you are solo in the left seat, and if
prop turns clockwise when you are standing at the tail looking forward.
Resolved with a trim tab on the rudder turned to the right, and a ground
adjustable tab on the right aileron. If you add tabs, you will probably end up
adding counterbalances to reduce the tendency of control surfaces to
flutter.
On my first landing, I got into a momentary PIO just before touchdown,
incurred by being too hyper and nervous. Settled down, no further problems.
MKIII elevator is sensitive, but that's not a problem unless you are hyper...
On Ed's FSII, we also had the pitot and static air above the nosecone for
a while, never could get it to get anywhere close to accurate. Ended up
putting it below and slightly forward of the nosecone, worked fine.
More details here
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Keep tweaking -
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (42oldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
How remarkable that you are able to have such a perfect MKIII. I am sure that if
all of us had MKIII's such as yours, our experiences would be very different
that they have been.
I remember the the first time I ever met John Hauck, it was at Oshkosh, I talked
to him about my MKIII's reluctance to fly hands off without doing something
divergent. His reply? "You will never get a MKIII to fly hands off, they just
don't do that." In my experience, he was right. We might disagree on some things,
but he was dead on the money that time.
Just for the heck of it I have gone to the extreme of cranking in 4" of strut length
on each lift strut to increase the dihedral to a ridiculous amount, just
to see if it would help. Nada.
Have not tried the washer trick, but my MKIII requires coordinated use of rudder
and ailerons to make it fly well. I guess I am just not up to the level of expertise
required to get mine to fly as perfectly as yours. But thankfully I still
enjoy it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
Richard, please share with us the new flight characteristics of the
added dihedral.
If I change my wing incidence that will be changed as a side effect.
I get slower and s l o w e r every year getting around to these things.
BTW, I have a very neutral stick in slow cruise but I sure won't be
letting go of it.
Additionally I need to take the slop out of the little horizontal
bolt at the base. It takes very little play to
magnify into a lot of slack.
One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the
inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds
through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so many
years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different.
Good thing I didn't go to a "real" ultralight with all those wires
and stuff holding it together.
BB
On 21, Aug 2009, at 7:37 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> How remarkable that you are able to have such a perfect MKIII. I am
> sure that if all of us had MKIII's such as yours, our experiences
> would be very different that they have been.
>
> I remember the the first time I ever met John Hauck, it was at
> Oshkosh, I talked to him about my MKIII's reluctance to fly hands
> off without doing something divergent. His reply? "You will never
> get a MKIII to fly hands off, they just don't do that." In my
> experience, he was right. We might disagree on some things, but he
> was dead on the money that time.
>
> Just for the heck of it I have gone to the extreme of cranking in
> 4" of strut length on each lift strut to increase the dihedral to a
> ridiculous amount, just to see if it would help. Nada.
>
> Have not tried the washer trick, but my MKIII requires coordinated
> use of rudder and ailerons to make it fly well. I guess I am just
> not up to the level of expertise required to get mine to fly as
> perfectly as yours. But thankfully I still enjoy it.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259029#259029
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
"Richard, please share with us the new flight characteristics of the
added dihedral."
Waste of time. Accomplishes nothing on a MKIII. Works great on a FSII.
"Good thing I didn't go to a "real" ultralight with all those wires
and stuff holding it together."
BB
Used to have a Quicksilver MX, flying that dude in bumpy air was freaky, you could
feel all the various airframe parts "shuffling." Had to keep reminding myself
that it really was alright, but never really got any real peace of mind about
it..
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:53 PM, robert bean wrote:
> One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the
> inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds
> through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so many
> years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different.
Huh? "wiggleness" ? On a Kolb?
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From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Photo |
John h,
Is Wales the point from which Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from?
Wow! You flew to Barrow! That's almost out of this world. Great job.
Great pics. You can see the curvature of the earth, errrr, I mean the ocean.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 8/21/2009 10:20:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
If I had had the courage and capability to fly the Alaskan coast southwest
to Wales, AK, I would have been 50 miles from Russia.
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
> One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the
> inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds
> through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so many
> years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different.
>
> Good thing I didn't go to a "real" ultralight with all those wires
> and stuff holding it together.
> BB
Most MKIII's don't wiggle in the air.
With a few added braces here and there, my old mkIII is very rigid.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Photo |
Bill V/Gang:
I don't know about Sarah.
She may also have been on Diomede Island. Big Diomede is Russian
territory and Little Diomede (or Diomede) is US. They are about 2.5
miles apart.
My little MKIII has been north of Point Barrow, northernmost point of
the North American Continent in 2001 and 2004.
Was in Deadhorse/Prudhoe Bay 1994, 2001, and 2004.
The old guys on the List know all about those flights, but the newer
folks may not realize that one of their own has done some cross country
flying, in the same old MKIII.
Kolbs have a lot more capability than Homer ever dreamed of, and most
Kolb owners and flyers too.
Making preliminary plans to fly back to Alaska next summer in the same
airplane at the ripe old age of 71, if I can still do it and have fun
while I am at it. I had planned to do it this summer, but things did
not work out the way I wanted them to.
I'd like to fly the west coast of Alaska, but that is a very difficult
flight in most any kind of airplane. I'll have to do a lot of study to
see if I can make it on available fuel. Fuel will be the biggest
problem, followed by weather.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
Is Wales the point from which Sarah Palin said she could see Russia
from? Wow! You flew to Barrow! That's almost out of this world.
Great job. Great pics. You can see the curvature of the earth, errrr,
I mean the ocean.
Bill Varnes
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From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
> One of my favorites taken by John Williamson at Larry Cottrell's Rock House,
> landing to the south, downhill, on the departure end of the airstrip.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Same one as your avatar. Even cooler when so much larger. Imagine that painted
on the front of a hanger door! :)
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
John H.
I could sit here and look at hundreds of those pictures... John Bickman put it
well when he titled his blog " Living the Dream ". Flying a Kolb around the
country with a bunch of other guys every summer, life does not get any better
than that. Taking your Trailer and ATV and touring the west has to come in
a close second !
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> Same one as your avatar. Even cooler when so much larger. Imagine that
painted on the front of a hanger door! :)
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
Ahhhhh! That is what an avatar is. ;-)
John W took some more real good photos that day at Larry Cottrell's. We
took turns flying and taking photos. Lucky me, John W took much better
pictures than I did.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Just plain ol' Waycross |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
cristalclear13 wrote:
> . I needed the practice! Got 7 in before having to head to work.
I only got in 3 before it got dark yesterday, but I plan to make up for that tomorrow
and Sunday :) Good to see you in the air and flying again !
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
Hi Eugene, yes, I know it's not in the dictionary. Maybe the other
models don't feel the same way since I
have no experience with them. In cruise I can feel the differential
waves of air caused by the variable airflow
from the aft section of the fuselage. -Xtras may not have as much
because of the smoother blend behind the doors.
In addition is the wiggle provided by the boom tube and tail
assembly. Maybe my boom tube is more flexible than most?
Just kidding.
That feel is what prevents me from getting friskier with the flight
envelope. I know it isn't a defect or problem with structural
integrity but it does affect my mental attitude.
Each brand of airplane has an individual feel. Cessnas are sloppier
than tube frame airplanes. Some big widebodies feel like
a whale wubbling through the sky. (747 for sure)
The Taylorcraft, even with its very long wings is a nice tight
feeling ship. Citabrias feel solid as a rock. They impart
a sense of security that may or may not be warranted. They have had
a few root rib failures when overstressed.
Couldn't say about Stardusters, Christen Eagles or Pitts, never was
rich enough to afford one but I imagine the Pitts feels
pretty solid.
BB
On 21, Aug 2009, at 9:47 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:53 PM, robert bean wrote:
>
>> One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the
>> inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds
>> through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so
>> many years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel different.
>
>
> Huh? "wiggleness" ? On a Kolb?
>
>
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Flying a Kolb around the country with a bunch of other guys every summer,
life does not get any better than that. Taking your Trailer and ATV and
touring the west has to come in a close second !
>
> Mike
Mike B:
Yep, we have a good time when we get together.
We sure miss the many Kolbers we have lost over the last few years.
Hopefully, more will come along and take their place.
About the only time I fly now days, is my flight West in May, John B's Nauga
Fly Around, and maybe Lakeland for Sun and Fun. I don't do much local
flying any more. Have other hobbies and chores to keep me busy.
I do like to travel and hope to see as many Kolb folks as I can on this next
trip West.
Here's a couple photos of Homer Kolb flying his 1985 Firestar Oshkosh Grand
Champion Ultralight at his farm, 15 June 2007.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Richard Pike wrote:
> How remarkable that you are able to have such a perfect MKIII. I am sure that
if all of us had MKIII's such as yours, our experiences would be very different
that they have been.
>
> I remember the the first time I ever met John Hauck, it was at Oshkosh, I talked
to him about my MKIII's reluctance to fly hands off without doing something
divergent. His reply? "You will never get a MKIII to fly hands off, they just
don't do that." In my experience, he was right. We might disagree on some things,
but he was dead on the money that time.
>
>
> Have not tried the washer trick, but my MKIII requires coordinated use of rudder
and ailerons to make it fly well. I guess I am just not up to the level of
expertise required to get mine to fly as perfectly as yours. But thankfully I
still enjoy it.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
I did my homework, and got excellent advice from John H about rigging my Kolb,
and it flys exactly as I describe. It took many flights, lots of experimentation,
and a good amount of work to make my plane fly as well possible. It did
not happen by itself, and it did not happen overnight, but I kept at it and got
it to fly very well. In cruise my wife flys with her feet on the floor and
just uses the stick to fly around, my Kolb flys very well with just the stick
in cruise flight, turns and all. I fly a lot of passengers, and they have had
no trouble driving it around the sky in cruise with just the stick, I keep it
simple and enjoyable for them. I don't even have them touch the rudder pedals
unless they are interested in learning to takeoff and land.
What I never said was that my Kolb was perfect. I also never said that it would
fly by itself hands off. The Kolb is a pusher and there has to be some constant
control input by the pilot, but it is easy and stable just as I have reported.
>From the tone of your message you are obviously doing your best to create doubt
about my flight reports. Every time you respond to a post I write, you to try
to discredit it an indirect way, either a sarcastic comment, or putting words
into my mouth as you did here when you started saying " Perfect " and your
bit about flying " hands off " in this post.
Whatever old grudge you may have, I don't care about any more and you should just
let it go, your need to get a little revenge for something long forgotten is
very unbecoming of a priest. I am surprised you are one of the last few people
that is trying to keep an old feud going. All that is over as far as I
am concerned.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
Bob,
I suppose it is all matter of personal perspective, or individual
plane. Compared to my old Pterodactyl (which flapped its wings like a
pigeon) my Firestar is solid as a rock.
Eugene Z
On Aug 21, 2009, at 11:05 PM, robert bean wrote:
>
> Hi Eugene, yes, I know it's not in the dictionary. Maybe the other
> models don't feel the same way since I
> have no experience with them. In cruise I can feel the differential
> waves of air caused by the variable airflow
> from the aft section of the fuselage. -Xtras may not have as much
> because of the smoother blend behind the doors.
> In addition is the wiggle provided by the boom tube and tail
> assembly. Maybe my boom tube is more flexible than most?
> Just kidding.
>
> That feel is what prevents me from getting friskier with the flight
> envelope. I know it isn't a defect or problem with structural
> integrity but it does affect my mental attitude.
>
> Each brand of airplane has an individual feel. Cessnas are sloppier
> than tube frame airplanes. Some big widebodies feel like
> a whale wubbling through the sky. (747 for sure)
> The Taylorcraft, even with its very long wings is a nice tight
> feeling ship. Citabrias feel solid as a rock. They impart
> a sense of security that may or may not be warranted. They have had
> a few root rib failures when overstressed.
>
> Couldn't say about Stardusters, Christen Eagles or Pitts, never was
> rich enough to afford one but I imagine the Pitts feels
> pretty solid.
> BB
>
> On 21, Aug 2009, at 9:47 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:53 PM, robert bean wrote:
>>
>>> One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the
>>> inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds
>>> through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so
>>> many years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel
>>> different.
>>
>>
>> Huh? "wiggleness" ? On a Kolb?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Photo |
From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
John just curious if you flew the Al-Can up and back
or did you fly the coastline one way?
When I flew the PA28 Arrow up and back a few years
ago, went Port Angeles WA, Ketchikan, Juneau, Kodiak, Homer
...then Fairbanks around the back side home.. Spectacular
scenery, surely one the most cherished trips of my lif
e!! I would love to do this again in the future....I
appreciate your inspiration. Got a lot of building ahead
first.
I hope this next trip you can mount a camera and capt
ure for all who have not experienced the magnificence of
this incredible place.
Cheers to all from London!
Fran Losey
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:48:53
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alaska 2004 Photo
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
One last thing before the groans start. -My two blade prop throws in
more uneven racket than the
three blade powerfin did. I'm sure the airflow is different because
of it too.
BB
On 22, Aug 2009, at 7:28 AM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> I suppose it is all matter of personal perspective, or individual
> plane. Compared to my old Pterodactyl (which flapped its wings
> like a pigeon) my Firestar is solid as a rock.
>
> Eugene Z
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2009, at 11:05 PM, robert bean wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Eugene, yes, I know it's not in the dictionary. Maybe the
>> other models don't feel the same way since I
>> have no experience with them. In cruise I can feel the
>> differential waves of air caused by the variable airflow
>> from the aft section of the fuselage. -Xtras may not have as much
>> because of the smoother blend behind the doors.
>> In addition is the wiggle provided by the boom tube and tail
>> assembly. Maybe my boom tube is more flexible than most?
>> Just kidding.
>>
>> That feel is what prevents me from getting friskier with the
>> flight envelope. I know it isn't a defect or problem with structural
>> integrity but it does affect my mental attitude.
>>
>> Each brand of airplane has an individual feel. Cessnas are
>> sloppier than tube frame airplanes. Some big widebodies feel like
>> a whale wubbling through the sky. (747 for sure)
>> The Taylorcraft, even with its very long wings is a nice tight
>> feeling ship. Citabrias feel solid as a rock. They impart
>> a sense of security that may or may not be warranted. They have
>> had a few root rib failures when overstressed.
>>
>> Couldn't say about Stardusters, Christen Eagles or Pitts, never
>> was rich enough to afford one but I imagine the Pitts feels
>> pretty solid.
>> BB
>>
>> On 21, Aug 2009, at 9:47 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:53 PM, robert bean wrote:
>>>
>>>> One of the things that I suppose I will never get used to is the
>>>> inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII as it proceeds
>>>> through the air. I know that is part of the plane but after so
>>>> many years in a totally rigid airframe it will always feel
>>>> different.
>>>
>>>
>>> Huh? "wiggleness" ? On a Kolb?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Photo |
To much water and weather for a single engine VFR homebuilt experimental
to fly the inside passage.
I have flown north and south, the Alaska Highway, Stewart-Cassiar
Highway, Klondike Highway, Dempster Highway, and the Dalton Highway.
Each highway is an adventure in itself.
Then...we (me and Miss P'Fer, my MKIII) have flown beyond the Dalton and
the Dempster Highways to the northernmost point of the North American
Continent at Point Barrow, Alaska, and Tuktoyaktuk, Northwest Territory,
northernmost Eskimo Village on the North American Continent in Canada.
Both places a long ways from Alabama.
Makes me tired thinking about it.
Couple photos, one north of Point Barrow looking south to the North
American Continent, and the other is a aerial view of Tuktoyaktuk,
Northwest Territory, Canada.
john h
mkIII
John just curious if you flew the Al-Can up and back or did you fly
the coastline one way?
Fran Losey
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From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Photo |
John,
If you flew as far south as you did north, where could you have
possibly been?
Gene Z
On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:05 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> To much water and weather for a single engine VFR homebuilt
> experimental to fly the inside passage.
>
> I have flown north and south, the Alaska Highway, Stewart-Cassiar
> Highway, Klondike Highway, Dempster Highway, and the Dalton
> Highway. Each highway is an adventure in itself.
>
> Then...we (me and Miss P'Fer, my MKIII) have flown beyond the Dalton
> and the Dempster Highways to the northernmost point of the North
> American Continent at Point Barrow, Alaska, and Tuktoyaktuk,
> Northwest Territory, northernmost Eskimo Village on the North
> American Continent in Canada. Both places a long ways from Alabama.
>
> Makes me tired thinking about it.
>
> Couple photos, one north of Point Barrow looking south to the North
> American Continent, and the other is a aerial view of Tuktoyaktuk,
> Northwest Territory, Canada.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> John just curious if you flew the Al-Can up and back or did you fly
> the coastline one way?
>
>
> Fran Losey
>
>
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Photo |
A quick map recon shows the northern border of Argentina, straight line
distance of about 4,000 miles.
john h
If you flew as far south as you did north, where could you have
possibly been?
Gene Z
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Photo |
John,
And to think Charles Lindbergh flew almost that distance nonstop back
in 1927. Wow!
Gene Z
On Aug 22, 2009, at 6:41 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> A quick map recon shows the northern border of Argentina, straight
> line distance of about 4,000 miles.
>
> john h
> If you flew as far south as you did north, where could you have
> possibly been?
>
> Gene Z
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Photo |
Yes, it is truly amazing that Lindbergh was able to accomplish that
flight.
He took off with 450 gallons of fuel, flew about 3500 miles, in 33
hours, 30 minutes. The aircraft had an ultimate range of 4000 miles.
2700 lbs of fuel is a heck of a load.
Here is a good web site for Lindbergh. I did realize, until I read it,
but the Spirit of St Louis did a lot of flying after the record solo
flight.
http://www.charleslindbergh.com/history/paris.asp
I could have done it on 233.3 gal in about 43 hours, if I could haul
1400 lbs of fuel. ;-)
john h
mkIII
And to think Charles Lindbergh flew almost that distance nonstop back
in 1927. Wow!
Gene Z
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII >>
Hi Robert,
you had better have a walk round with a spanner and a screwdriver. No
`wiggleness` in mine.
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Alaska 2004 Photo |
From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
Great photos John! Thanks for sharing them.
I was not so fortunate to have the blue skies I see in the photos.....
I couldn't agree more with your weather comment, even with forecasts, the weather
always seemed worse than predicted and changed rapidly many times, especially
on the West Coastal area. I certainly respect the folks that fly in this Region.
Alaska was my first experience where I was asked to "declare my option" on approach....
I scratched my head for a moment then humbled myself to ask, as I had
no idea what the tower was asking. "Water, turf or concrete" was the response
and concrete my choice.
Take care
Fran Losey
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:05:00
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Alaska 2004 Photo
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
but my MKIII requires coordinated use of rudder and ailerons to make it fly
well.>>
Most small a/c need that. It is only those who learned to fly in spam cans
that don`t use co ordinated rudder.
Pat
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
You mean the rivet heads AREN'T supposed to be spinning around? Oh
well, more duct tape is in order I guess.
I tried some experimental video yesterday. -An old VHS mini cam on a
stalk, put in the axle hole of a wheelbarrow
tire, bungeed to the seat. Worked pretty good but I need to aim it
up a touch more for the right flight attitude.
BB
On 23, Aug 2009, at 5:02 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> inherent "wiggleness" of the MkIII >>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> you had better have a walk round with a spanner and a screwdriver.
> No `wiggleness` in mine.
>
> Pat
>
>
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
> Most small a/c need that. It is only those who learned to fly in spam
cans
> that don`t use co ordinated rudder.
>
> Pat
Patrick:
The older model MKIIIx requires a lot more rudder to fly coordinated than
the other model Kolbs. I believe this is caused by the long, large, flat
nose. When the aircraft gets a little out of yaw trim, relative wind tends
to pull the nose further out of trim.
Most Kolbs will do quite well flying with ailerons only. Homer did a good
job of designing the differential into the system to prevent adverse aileron
control.
I have never flown a Kolb that could be flown with rudder alone, more than a
very short time. When they begin to roll, rudder alone will not pick up
tyhe wing. Because they lack any significant dihedral, if you lose aileron
control, be nice to have a parachute.
I am only aware of one Kolb that lost aileron control, my Ultrastar. That
was caused by a catastrophic failure of the upper aileron bellcrank, the
little one right over your right shoulder, not the big one attached to the
boom tube.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mike have no fear fuel filter. and morning flight |
. Oh, my plans didn't specify what filter to use,>>
Hi Larry,
neither did mine. I used the same type of filter I used on my Thruster
and then on my Challenger, now on the Kolb.. It works, it is simple. A
glass tube with the fuel going in one end and out of the other. It comes
to pieces with a spanner. You can see if there is muck in it. Why change
it? Fit another one. Why?.
It is not that we are not allowed to change things, not even the number
of sheets of toilet paper, we can. Not with the ease of your system I
agree. It is just that Kolbs designed a plane with certain
characteristics. Safety, dependability,ease of maintenance, etc., They
have more experience with the plane and its foibles and needs than
almost any one Kolb pilot. Then along comes a pilot who may or may not
know what he is doing and `improves` it. According to the posts on this
list usually with the cheapest bit of kit he can get . He will change
the oil which is recommended by the maker for something cheaper, usually
automotive oil, change the make of the plugs. Change the size of the
fuel tank without doing a weight and balance. From the posts here some
pilots don`t know where the c of g is, or where it should be. That is
frightening.
If John H says that he has changed something on his plane 500 hours ago
and so and so is the result then we could all make a judgement on it.
Unfortunately there seem to be some on the list who just change things
on a whim for very little reason apart from the fact that they can.
I remember the airplane designers creed. `Add lightness and simplify`
Thats good enough for me.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Kolb attended fly-in |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Once a year Ed Yasechko hosts a free fly-in steak and eggs breakfast.Honest.here
are some picts from this Sundays event.Ed is the guy in the white shirt in the
first pict.Some nice folks up north in Oh.
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From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
A couple more picts
?G.Aman Mk-3C
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mike have no fear fuel filter. |
Flying into hangers doesn't
count. Glad you got your bird fixed and flying again. Especially glad you
did not get hurt in the process of experimenting with hanger flying.>>
Great John, that made me laugh out loud.
I wasn`t really having a little dig at the reasoned and well thought out
changes that experienced people like you make and my point about Kolb
knowing more than anyone else was precisely beacause they get feed back from
customers. My beef was about those who go on...and on....and on about the
oil they use etc. Just anything except what the manufacturer specified.For
what gain? 10 cents.
Its great that you can experiment and I wish we had a little more leeway
sometimes. In fact we now have a very light weight category where we can do
just that but it does not include Kolbs.
If you post on the list that you have built a gismo that added 15mph to your
cruise I should listen with interest. But I am not going overboard because
you have changed the type of plug you use in the face of the makers
recommendation to save a buck every 500 klicks particularly if it starts a
thread that goes on for a couple of weeks.
Still chuckling
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Kolb attended fly-in |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Sorry, This is Ed in white shirt.Almost 50 aircraft attended including a Medivac
helicopter
?? and crew
-----Original Message-----
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2009 2:17 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb attended fly-in
Once a year Ed Yasechko hosts a free fly-in steak and eggs breakfast.Honest.here
are some picts from this Sundays event.Ed is the guy in the white shirt in the
first pict.Some nice folks up north in Oh.
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
The older model MKIIIx requires a lot more rudder to fly coordinated than
the other model Kolbs. >>
Hi John,
My Xtra, like my Challenger before takes a lot of hard work to to go into a
turn with no rudder. In fact someone on this list said that they nearly flew
into the ground in their Challenger through trying to reverse a bank without
using rudder.
People who learn to fly in planes with bigger engines just don`t seem to
worry about the inefficiency of turning with no rudder. If you learn in
gliders you soon learn that an unbalanced turn costs you height, which is
your fuel.
I cannot hiold a wing up with the rudder for more than a few seconds. About
enough to quickly make a note of a temp. or pressure reading perhaps.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami |
From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings, Folks,
Jeff and I flew our new (5 months) MKIII-C down the coast from KPMP to Key Biscayne,
did a low pass at Homestead Air Reserve Base (started to fall asleep after
the first two miles of concrete,) and over to X51, where Mike (Jet Pilot) lives.
Missed Mike, since he and his mates were off to the Keys for the day, but
we did try out my inadequate digital camera on the way back up the beach. Thought
it might be fun for you to check out.
The buildings were cool, but I think due to the Lexan and the lens, we got a lot
of shimmery polarizing lines.
Still fun, and a great flight!
Enjoy,
Dave and Jeff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP9YB4hoM9Q
(If this link doesn't work, search "S. FL Skyline from Kolb"
There are several other clips from the flight. My Youtube handle is "Sabbatical100".
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Subject: | Re: Kolb attended fly-in |
From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> Once a year Ed Yasechko hosts a free fly-in steak and eggs breakfast.Honest.here
are some picts from this Sundays event.Ed is the guy in the white shirt in
the first pict.Some nice folks up north in Oh.
I hope that's not champagne in those glasses, and if it is I hope the pilots came
with a "designated driver". [Shocked]
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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Subject: | Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami |
From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
Watkinsdw wrote:
> Greetings, Folks,
> Jeff and I flew our new (5 months) MKIII-C down the coast from KPMP to Key Biscayne,
did a low pass at Homestead Air Reserve Base (started to fall asleep after
the first two miles of concrete,) and over to X51, where Mike (Jet Pilot)
lives. Missed Mike, since he and his mates were off to the Keys for the day,
but we did try out my inadequate digital camera on the way back up the beach.
Thought it might be fun for you to check out.
>
> The buildings were cool, but I think due to the Lexan and the lens, we got a
lot of shimmery polarizing lines.
> Still fun, and a great flight!
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Dave and Jeff
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP9YB4hoM9Q
>
> (If this link doesn't work, search "S. FL Skyline from Kolb"
> There are several other clips from the flight. My Youtube handle is "Sabbatical100".
That looks like a lot of fun. Thanks for the video. Looking at that area on skyvector.com
it looks very busy with class B and class C airspace all over, but
I suppose you were underneath all that.
What are those green and red dots on your windshield?
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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Subject: | Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Really great video Dave and Jeff. For being fairly new in their Kolb, they are
doing some great flying. I have been doing all my filming of birds, gators,
and everglades and it never even occurred to me to do a beach and video of the
South Florida Skyline like Dave did. I have to give him an A for creativity
!
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | Mahesh Iyer <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Cockpit controlled trim -FS2 - Thank you |
Gentlemen,
Thank you everyone for all your replies,-help and guidance that you offer
ed. I have now got something to start upon!
-
Best regards,
Mahesh Iyer
Kolb FS-2, Powered by a Rotax 503 DCDI, Driven by a 3 blade IVO Prop..
Phoenix, Oregon
The joy of flight, Nothing comes closer...Its a Romance for life.....=0A=0A
=0A
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From: | "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
Subject: | Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami |
great vidio, well done, Not sure I would fell that comfortable in that
location with my 503 MK111c.
Tony
Downunder
MK111c
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From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:38 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami
>
> Greetings, Folks,
> Jeff and I flew our new (5 months) MKIII-C down the coast from KPMP to Key
> Biscayne, did a low pass at Homestead Air Reserve Base (started to fall
> asleep after the first two miles of concrete,) and over to X51, where Mike
> (Jet Pilot) lives. Missed Mike, since he and his mates were off to the
> Keys for the day, but we did try out my inadequate digital camera on the
> way back up the beach. Thought it might be fun for you to check out.
>
> The buildings were cool, but I think due to the Lexan and the lens, we got
> a lot of shimmery polarizing lines.
> Still fun, and a great flight!
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Dave and Jeff
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP9YB4hoM9Q
>
> (If this link doesn't work, search "S. FL Skyline from Kolb"
> There are several other clips from the flight. My Youtube handle is
> "Sabbatical100".
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259197#259197
>
>
>
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Subject: | Hot Dog Day in western New York |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Yesterday was Hot Dog Day at Bethany Airpark (8NK4) in western New York. I flew
my SS there and Bob Bean flew his Porsche 928 there. I should have taken a photo
of BB's Porsche but didn't. Maybe he will supply one to the list.
The weather was a bit threatening and I ran into a light shower going to the fly-in.
On the way home there were heavy localized showers that I barely avoided.
Attached are a few photos. The red RV-4 was built by a friend who flies 747s for
a living. The young fellow standing in front of my SS is a new student at a
nearby airport, the future of aviation. The green Whitman Buttercup was built
by Earl Luce and he won some sort of an award at Osh this year. A really nice
airplane. Earls said it could qualify for light sport if the movable leading edge
device was permanently extended to get the stall speed down to 45 knots. His
0-200 powered Buttercup cruises at up to 130 mph. The red and white Luscombe
did a take-off, did a left crosswind and then suddlenly turned back to the airport
and landed downwind and barely stopped before running out of runway. He
thought he had major engine problem from the loud noise. Turns out he had left
one of the seat belts out flapping against the fuselage. Check lists anyone?
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Kolb attended fly-in |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Christal.
? Yes it is.Quite a few people drive in to the breakfast
?G.Aman
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From: cristalclear13 <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2009 10:00 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb attended fly-in
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> Once a year Ed Yasechko hosts a free fly-in steak and eggs
breakfast.Honest.here are some picts from this Sundays event.Ed is the guy in
the white shirt in the first pict.Some nice folks up north in Oh.
I hope that's not champagne in those glasses, and if it is I hope the pilots
came with a "designated driver". [Shocked]
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
On Aug 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> I have never flown a Kolb that could be flown with rudder alone,
> more than a very short time. When they begin to roll, rudder alone
> will not pick up tyhe wing. Because they lack any significant
> dihedral, if you lose aileron control, be nice to have a parachute.
John,
I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with rudder
only in my plane.
I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing
tips.
None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that
capability.
Gene Z
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
the UK,
where (as I understand it) you can only build from an approved design,
and
no deviation from the original approved design or operating limitations
is
permissible.>>
Hi Dana,
The first part is certainly correct. You can only buy a kit or completed
a/c if it conforms to `Section S` Approval will only be granted after it
has been passed by British Microlight Assoc. or Light Aircraft Assoc who
hold delegated powers from the CAA.
This sometimes means that a/c which are used the world over need some
changes to fly here. The Kolb 3Xtra for instance would not have been
approved with the Jabiru without VG`s fitted.
If you want to change something markedly, new prop/engine combination,
altering dihedral, cutting a couple of feet off the wings then you can
put your proposal to the LAA or BMA and their engineering division will
look at it. They may suggest a better way of achieving what you want,
tell you it has been tried and it produced a cranky or non conforming
a/c. They will often do engineering analysis of your suggestion but
their decision is final.
The authorities are not unreasonable and are generally helpful but if
they say don`t do it, listen.
We have recently introduced a very light category and under that regime
you can do more or less what you like. Desigh, alter etc.,. Anything as
long as its below the specified weight.
Cheers
Pat
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From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Non-stop to Pat Ladd ;-) |
On Aug 22, 2009, at 10:45 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> I could have done it on 233.3 gal in about 43 hours, if I could haul
> 1400 lbs of fuel. ;-)
>
Fill your boom tube and wing spar tubes with fuel and add a large
belly tank pontoon ,,,,,, there is no doubt that you could do it.
2400 lbs is only 2.5 G your plane is stressed for 4 G positive.
Gene Z
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
Gene:Didn't you also add some additional dihedral to your wings?
I don't have a photo of your Kolb handy.
john h
mkIII
On Aug 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, John Hauck wrote:
I have never flown a Kolb that could be flown with rudder alone, more t
han a very short time. When they begin to roll, rudder alone will not pick
up tyhe wing. Because they lack any significant dihedral, if you lose aile
ron control, be nice to have a parachute.
John,
I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with rudder on
ly in my plane.
I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing tips.
None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that capab
ility.
Gene Z
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
find a regular storm of many outraged responses. >>
Hi Herb, get used to it. Some of the listers seem to have very short
fuses. I have been accused of everything from having no experience to
being anti American because I have explained that we do thinks
differently this side of the pond. Not better, just differently.
But the majority are helpful, have more hours and miles under their
wings than you could shake a stick at, and talk sound sense.
Perhaps you gave the wrong impression about how bad things were with
your plane.
If your plane really wants to roll and takes a lot of stick to fly level
look at your wing root attachments. There is room for a fair amount of
adjustment by arranging the washers. I have mine full up on one side and
full down on the other. If the plane rolls gently just because you are
sitting on one side of the centre line a bungee round the stick to give
a little leverage will suffice.
Ignore he diatribes, take the advice given, apply common sense to the
suggestions made and you will be fine.
A couple of years ago I drove my brand new Mark3Xtra into a barn.
Everyone was full of condolences and good wishes at the time but that
doesn`t stop them occassionally reminding me that I was a bloody idiot .
As if I need reminding!
Cheers
Pat
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
103-7 is a category that most nationalities are not lucky enough to
have. It takes real mechanical discipline
to make it work and stay legal. >>
Hi Robert,
An interesting list of mods.
I would think there is a good chance that if those mods were proposed to our
licensing autthority they would be allowed providing that the basic
requirements of our Section `S` were not broken .
Within weight limits.
Landing speed low enough, which depends on a formula involving the wing
area.
C of G within limits
Your seat would probably be not looked on favourably. My standard Kolb seat
was not considered strong enough to resist a hard landing and a plate had to
be inserted.
Of course `allowed` is like a red rag to a bull to some of the listers who
consider that they have the `right` to endanger themselves and others as
they see fit. Themselves.. I would probably agree with. Others...there is
the rub.
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami |
From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, Guys,
Glad you enjoyed the video. Sorry about the quality...
The dots on the windscreen are horizon markers for us as we get the "sight picture"
ingrained in our heads for landing. We're still newbies, having bought our
MkIII-C from Steven Green in May.
As far as the airspace goes, you're right- Class Bravo overlays much of the area
we flew, but at 500 ft agl, we were out of the way. We also had a discrete txpnder
code and flight following going for us. ATC was very accommodating from
Ft Lauderdale through Miami and Homestead Air Reserve Base (HST), both ways!
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Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
>
>
> Of course `allowed` is like a red rag to a bull to some of the listers who
> consider that they have the `right` to endanger themselves and others as
> they see fit. Themselves.. I would probably agree with. Others...there is
> the rub.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
Pat,
I fully support the right of some on this list to endanger themselves as much as
they like. It is a shame that some here with two seat airplanes will put unsuspecting
passengers at risk, but I still support our system of letting builders
do what they like with experimental aircraft.
To put things back in perspective, any 18 year old can get into a 5000 pound SUV
and drive like a total idiot with little to no consequence. Anyone can get
a drivers license, get in a large SUV or truck, and pass within several feet of
other cars full of people on the highway at 110 MPH closing speed all day long.
We have about 40,000 deaths in auto accidents each year, and still ANYONE
can get a license, and drive recklessly with little to no consequence. To get
uptight about small airplanes and waste a bunch of enforcement effort, inspections,
and government manpower on them while ignoring the highway problem is
nothing short of stupid on the governments part. Its nothing but pandering
to peoples paranoia about airplanes while ignoring real dangers to the public.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
On Aug 24, 2009, at 10:33 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> Gene:Didn't you also add some additional dihedral to your wings?
>
> I don't have a photo of your Kolb handy.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2009, at 9:30 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>> I have never flown a Kolb that could be flown with rudder alone,
>> more than a very short time. When they begin to roll, rudder alone
>> will not pick up tyhe wing. Because they lack any significant
>> dihedral, if you lose aileron control, be nice to have a parachute.
>
>
> John,
>
> I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with
> rudder only in my plane.
> I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing
> tips.
>
> None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that
> capability.
>
> Gene Z
>
>
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
Looks good.
Glad it works.
Must be those tips.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
Its nothing but pandering to peoples paranoia about airplanes while ignoring
real dangers to the public.
Hi Mike,
absolutely true. there should be graded exams to drive more powerful cars.
To let someone who has just passed there driving exam (which should be much
more difficult) walk out and get in a Porsche is nuts.
Of course anyone driving a SUV should be shot on sight on priciple.
To drive at 120 mph closing speed separated by a coat of paint on the road
doesn`t bear thinking about.
We have just had a couple of Americans staying with us for the last week to
celebrate my 80th birthday. I offered to pick him up by car from Heathrow.
He declined on the gounds that he did not want to be driven down the
motorway at a speed equal to the drivers age.
Some years ago I picked up an American from Heathrow. He had been on standby
at JFK for a couple of days, then the flight was late arriving around 9 at
night.
He fell asleep almost as soon as I hit the motorway. Then he would open his
eyes and scream to find himself being driven down the wrong way on the
motorway, against a stream of lights in the dark at 80mph or over. This was
when you had 50mph im;posed. He just screwed his eyes tight shut and curled
into a foetal ball.
Cheers
Pat.
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From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
At 09:38 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote:
>John,
>
>I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with
>rudder only in my plane.
>I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing tips.
>
>None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that
>capability.
>
>Gene Z
Yep - I'll bet it's the tips.
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
Blimey! y'ole geezer. They should take yer keys away forthright.
har har, (where'd I put those porsche keys)
BB
On 24, Aug 2009, at 3:50 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> Its nothing but pandering to peoples paranoia about airplanes while
> ignoring real dangers to the public.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> absolutely true. there should be graded exams to drive more
> powerful cars. To let someone who has just passed there driving
> exam (which should be much more difficult) walk out and get in a
> Porsche is nuts.
>
> Of course anyone driving a SUV should be shot on sight on priciple.
>
> To drive at 120 mph closing speed separated by a coat of paint on
> the road doesn`t bear thinking about.
>
> We have just had a couple of Americans staying with us for the last
> week to celebrate my 80th birthday. I offered to pick him up by car
> from Heathrow.
> He declined on the gounds that he did not want to be driven down
> the motorway at a speed equal to the drivers age.
>
> Some years ago I picked up an American from Heathrow. He had been
> on standby at JFK for a couple of days, then the flight was late
> arriving around 9 at night.
> He fell asleep almost as soon as I hit the motorway. Then he would
> open his eyes and scream to find himself being driven down the
> wrong way on the motorway, against a stream of lights in the dark
> at 80mph or over. This was when you had 50mph im;posed. He just
> screwed his eyes tight shut and curled into a foetal ball.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat.
>
>
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From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
From: Eugene Zimmerman
>
John,
I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with rudder only
in my plane. I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to
my wing tips.
None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that
capability.
>
Gene,
Just some thoughts. There a couple of other factors that may help you. Your
lateral cg is centered and this puts equal load on each wing. Also, you
engine and propeller combination may weigh less than John's so your vertical
cg is lower. Both of these factors will promote increased lateral stability
given equal dihedral.
I have never let go of the stick and tried to fly the FireFly with just
rudder and throttle. I have put it on the short list to try. I do know
that when I had the 15 inch chord ailerons on the FireFly and flew to my EAA
Chapter meetings at Painton, I could not level the wings at cruise speed. I
just had to wait for the FireFly to right its self, but most of the time I
kicked a rudder pedal to help lift the low wing. After changing to nine
inch ailerons, and adding VG's, all I had to do was apply a little side
pressure to keep the FireFly from rolling when passing a wing tip through a
thermal.
FWIW
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
Very nice work both of you. There may be a bit more vortex induced
but the stabilizing effect is worth it.
I'll wait until I hit something before I go in there.
BB
On 24, Aug 2009, at 4:03 PM, possums wrote:
> At 09:38 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with
>> rudder only in my plane.
>> I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my
>> wing tips.
>>
>> None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had
>> that capability.
>>
>> Gene Z
>
> Yep - I'll bet it's the tips.
>
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
From: "possums" <possums(at)bellsouth.net>
>
> Yep - I'll bet it's the tips.
Damn, they're sprouting up all over.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="etzimm(at)gmail.com"] wing in a bank with rudder only in my plane.
I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing tips.
None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that capability.
Gene Z
> [b]
Gene Z,
That is a really great Modification you did to the wingtips ! The stock wingtips
are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got really wrong in the design of
the plane. I know John H will take offense to this, but no plane on the planet
is designed perfectly from day one, and even the best planes ever produced
have been improved over the years. The Kolb is no different, a good plane, but
still can be made a lot better. Any plane design that is not improved over
time is at risk of becoming outdated and ceasing production. Once I saw the
new wingtips Kolb put on the MK III Xtra, I have been thinking about what to
do about my old style and inefficient wingtips. I like the Droop tips, but I
do not do fiberglass work that well, and I still think I can do better with hoerner
type wingtips.
I did a lot of research on wingtips and thier effect on airplanes, and decided
to put Hoerner wingtips on my MK III Xtra. I have even gone as far as to buy
all the parts needed to do this from Kolb, and have them sitting in my Workshop.
It is just a matter of finishing another plane before I do this project on
my Kolb. Did you change your wingtips on an existing plane, or did you build
the plane with them from day one ??? I would really be interested to get your
performance numbers and any other differences you notice in flight characteristics.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> That is a really great Modification you did to the wingtips ! The stock
wingtips are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got really wrong in the
design of the plane.
>
> Mike
I took the liberty to change the subject line to something similar to what
is being discussed.
This comes to a surprise to me that I have been flying with wingtips that,
"are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got really wrong in the design of
the plane."
How did jet pilot come up with this brilliant deduction?
I don't take offense to your statement, but Homer Kolb probably would
disagree with you if he were still here to defend himself. In fact, doesn't
surprise me at all, but I would like an explanation on why Homer Kolb's
wingtip is so very poor.
How is this new wingtip going to improve the flying qualities of Kolb
aircraft?
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I can't say what the Hoerner style wingtips will do for a Kolb wing but can tell
you they make a world of difference on a Cherokee 140. Can't tell much difference
at high cruise but slow flight lateral control and stability were much improved
over the standard Cherokee wingtips.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Dear John H,
As much as I would like to take credit for the wingtip idea, I did not seriously
consider changing wingtips until Kolb came up with the new design on their MK
III Xtra. The minute I saw them, I knew it would be a huge improvement. Your
flight test reports confirmed it, the stall speeds with the new wingtips were
much reduced compared to my otherwise nearly identical MK III Xtra were before
I added VG's. Your cruise speeds was also higher with the same engine, airframe
and prop. Once I saw Kolb do this, I decided to add better wingtips,
it was just a matter of what they would be. I decided on the Hoerner for simplicity,
no fiberglass, and a great record of performance.
The type wingtips on the Kolb now are horrible aerodynamically, exactly why is
way beyond what I can cover here, but the information is available all over the
Internet if you research it. The fact that no major aircraft design for the
last 50 years ( Except for a few specialty aircraft and Antique Copies ) has
used the Kolb wingtip design should be your first clue. The current Kolb design
wingtps are not used in any meaningful way because they have horrible performance
and characteristics. Kolb, Myself, and more than a few builders here
have decided to use a better performing type wingtip. My wingtip will use a
lot of what Kolb has done with thier factory MK III Xtra, extend the spar by
2 feet, and my wingtip will be a hoerner wingtip instead of the fiberglass one.
Horner wingtips are used on a huge number of General aviation airplanes with
great success, the information on their performance has been well documented
on countless airplanes for over 50 years.
As I said before, EVERY major airplane in history has undergone design changes,
why should the Kolbs be any different ? You have many improvements in your Kolb,
that is not a slap in the face to Homer Kolb, it is progress, and I think
Homer approved of them. The 737, the most popular airliner in history now has
new wingtips, do you think the original design team from the early 1960's needs
to " Defend " themselves ? I bet those now very old guys take a lot of pride
in the fact that the 737 has been in production for over 40 years, and I
doubt they are in any way offended by the new wingtips the 737 now has standard.
Yet you imply that Homer would be offended because some have found a way
to improve his airplane, I think you are just wrong about this. I think Homer
would be very happy to see his airplane continue to be improved, so that his
design can be compete in the marketplace and be produced for a long time to come.
There are a lot of new and really good aircraft designs out there, Kolb
needs to continue to develop and improve to keep this design competitive.
As always I am not telling you that you should change your airplane in any way,
so no need to even go there. But what I am saying is that myself and others
have nicer flying Kolbs with properly designed and better performing wingtips.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259390#259390
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> As always I am not telling you that you should change your airplane in
any way, so no need to even go there. But what I am saying is that myself
and others have nicer flying Kolbs with properly designed and better
performing wingtips.
>
> Mike
Mike:
Now I am jealous, "myself and others have nicer flying Kolbs with properly
designed and better performing wingtips."
That statement would be much more believeable if you had done the
modifications and could present your results to the List. ;-)
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> John, Despite the fact that this will surely cause much heat but little light,
the truth of the matter is that we can never really know.
>
> How would you go about telling anything about the aircraft performance of the
three aircraft and isolate the wing tip as contributing what? You can't
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
Rick Girard,
In the first line of your post, you start by doing your best to imply to readers
that no good information will come of this wingtip discussion... " much heat
and little light "... Why are you afraid of a little factual discussion about
wingtips ??? The fact that you start out by trying to distract people away
from intelligent discussion on this subject tells me that you have no interest
in helping anyone here improve their Kolbs.
Your next statements are just plain wrong. There has been much research done on
wingtips and what they will do for airplanes of different classes. Many aircraft
designers design airplanes with efficient wingtips with good aerodynamic
characteristics on GA, LSA, and many airplanes in our class airplanes because
it is already known what advantages certain wingtip designs offer. Contrary
to your assertions, we do know what many wingtip designs have to offer and what
improvements we can expect from them. Its to bad that you feel the need
to try to mislead people, dismiss accepted aerodynamic theory, and prevent a discussion
that could help them improve their Kolbs.
The fact that you don't know much about wingtips is fine with me, thats why many
people read this forum, to learn about Kolbs. Not everyone can knowledgeable
about airplanes and aerodynamics and I do not expect it. What I do take offense
to is when people like you post information that is just plain wrong and
is a disservice to people here on the list. There is a lot to be learned by
discussing Kolbs wingtips, and improvements the Kolb factory, and others are
doing to make them better.... Why are you doing your best to mislead people and
prevent this discussion ?
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259394#259394
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
You forgot to mention the cell phone...Mike...unbelievable the number
of idiots on the road with them stuck in their ears while driving..
That said...I suspect that the statistics favor the auto over UL's ,
given the miles or number of vehicles ...Herb
At 11:37 AM 8/24/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Of course `allowed` is like a red rag to a bull to some of the listers who
> > consider that they have the `right` to endanger themselves and others as
> > they see fit. Themselves.. I would probably agree with. Others...there is
> > the rub.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Pat
>
>
>Pat,
>
>I fully support the right of some on this list to endanger
>themselves as much as they like. It is a shame that some here with
>two seat airplanes will put unsuspecting passengers at risk, but I
>still support our system of letting builders do what they like with
>experimental aircraft.
>
>To put things back in perspective, any 18 year old can get into a
>5000 pound SUV and drive like a total idiot with little to no
>consequence. Anyone can get a drivers license, get in a large SUV
>or truck, and pass within several feet of other cars full of people
>on the highway at 110 MPH closing speed all day long. We have about
>40,000 deaths in auto accidents each year, and still ANYONE can get
>a license, and drive recklessly with little to no consequence. To
>get uptight about small airplanes and waste a bunch of enforcement
>effort, inspections, and government manpower on them while ignoring
>the highway problem is nothing short of stupid on the governments
>part. Its nothing but pandering to peoples paranoia about
>airplanes while ignoring real dangers to the public.
>
>Mike
>
>--------
>"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as
>you could have !!!
>
>Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259300#259300
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>08/24/09 06:05:00
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Old aviation rule of thumb: everything you do to change the plane
will add 5 knots. Put it on, add 5
take it back off, add 5 more. Can't lose. :)
BB
On 24, Aug 2009, at 6:25 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> > That is a really great Modification you did to the wingtips !
> The stock wingtips are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got
> really wrong in the design of the plane.
>>
>> Mike
>
> I took the liberty to change the subject line to something similar
> to what is being discussed.
>
> This comes to a surprise to me that I have been flying with
> wingtips that, "are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got
> really wrong in the design of the plane."
>
> How did jet pilot come up with this brilliant deduction?
>
> I don't take offense to your statement, but Homer Kolb probably
> would disagree with you if he were still here to defend himself.
> In fact, doesn't surprise me at all, but I would like an
> explanation on why Homer Kolb's wingtip is so very poor.
>
> How is this new wingtip going to improve the flying qualities of
> Kolb aircraft?
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Gotta think that the 4 extra feet of wing helped a bunch.. :-) My
other notion is that the drooped tip would not be any better than a
Whitman or Hoerner tip.. on the factory MkIIIX The idea in any
case is to reduce tip vortices ...and therefore ,Drag.. Herb
At 07:29 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote:
>
>Dear John H,
>
>As much as I would like to take credit for the wingtip idea, I did
>not seriously consider changing wingtips until Kolb came up with the
>new design on their MK III Xtra. The minute I saw them, I knew it
>would be a huge improvement. Your flight test reports confirmed it,
>the stall speeds with the new wingtips were much reduced compared to
>my otherwise nearly identical MK III Xtra were before I added
>VG's. Your cruise speeds was also higher with the same engine,
>airframe and prop. Once I saw Kolb do this, I decided to add better
>wingtips, it was just a matter of what they would be. I decided on
>the Hoerner for simplicity, no fiberglass, and a great record of performance.
>
>The type wingtips on the Kolb now are horrible aerodynamically,
>exactly why is way beyond what I can cover here, but the information
>is available all over the Internet if you research it. The fact
>that no major aircraft design for the last 50 years ( Except for a
>few specialty aircraft and Antique Copies ) has used the Kolb
>wingtip design should be your first clue. The current Kolb design
>wingtps are not used in any meaningful way because they have
>horrible performance and characteristics. Kolb, Myself, and more
>than a few builders here have decided to use a better performing
>type wingtip. My wingtip will use a lot of what Kolb has done with
>thier factory MK III Xtra, extend the spar by 2 feet, and my wingtip
>will be a hoerner wingtip instead of the fiberglass one. Horner
>wingtips are used on a huge number of General aviation airplanes
>with great success, the information on their performance has been
>well documented on countless airplanes for over 50 years.
>
>As I said before, EVERY major airplane in history has undergone
>design changes, why should the Kolbs be any different ? You have
>many improvements in your Kolb, that is not a slap in the face to
>Homer Kolb, it is progress, and I think Homer approved of them. The
>737, the most popular airliner in history now has new wingtips, do
>you think the original design team from the early 1960's needs to "
>Defend " themselves ? I bet those now very old guys take a lot of
>pride in the fact that the 737 has been in production for over 40
>years, and I doubt they are in any way offended by the new wingtips
>the 737 now has standard. Yet you imply that Homer would be
>offended because some have found a way to improve his airplane, I
>think you are just wrong about this. I think Homer would be very
>happy to see his airplane continue to be improved, so that his
>design can be compete in the marketplace and be produced for a long
>time to come. There are a lot of new and really good aircraf!
> t designs out there, Kolb needs to continue to develop and improve
> to keep this design competitive.
>
>As always I am not telling you that you should change your airplane
>in any way, so no need to even go there. But what I am saying is
>that myself and others have nicer flying Kolbs with properly
>designed and better performing wingtips.
>
>Mike
>
>--------
>"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as
>you could have !!!
>
>Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259390#259390
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>08/24/09 06:05:00
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
Rick Girard,
>
> In the first line of your post, you start by doing your best to imply to
> readers that no good information will come of this wingtip discussion...
> " much heat and little light "... Why are you afraid of a little factual
> discussion about wingtips ???
Mr. Jetpilot, Where are these "Facts" that support your statement that the
Plans built Kolb wingtips are inferior??
Jim Kmet
Cookeville, TN
MK-3C
(Never Piloted a Jet)
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips
>
>
> aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> John, Despite the fact that this will surely cause much heat but little
>> light, the truth of the matter is that we can never really know.
>>
>> How would you go about telling anything about the aircraft performance of
>> the three aircraft and isolate the wing tip as contributing what? You
>> can't
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>>
>
>
> Rick Girard,
>
> In the first line of your post, you start by doing your best to imply to
> readers that no good information will come of this wingtip discussion...
> " much heat and little light "... Why are you afraid of a little factual
> discussion about wingtips ??? The fact that you start out by trying to
> distract people away from intelligent discussion on this subject tells me
> that you have no interest in helping anyone here improve their Kolbs.
>
> Your next statements are just plain wrong. There has been much research
> done on wingtips and what they will do for airplanes of different classes.
> Many aircraft designers design airplanes with efficient wingtips with good
> aerodynamic characteristics on GA, LSA, and many airplanes in our class
> airplanes because it is already known what advantages certain wingtip
> designs offer. Contrary to your assertions, we do know what many wingtip
> designs have to offer and what improvements we can expect from them.
> Its to bad that you feel the need to try to mislead people, dismiss
> accepted aerodynamic theory, and prevent a discussion that could help them
> improve their Kolbs.
>
> The fact that you don't know much about wingtips is fine with me, thats
> why many people read this forum, to learn about Kolbs. Not everyone can
> knowledgeable about airplanes and aerodynamics and I do not expect it.
> What I do take offense to is when people like you post information that is
> just plain wrong and is a disservice to people here on the list. There
> is a lot to be learned by discussing Kolbs wingtips, and improvements the
> Kolb factory, and others are doing to make them better.... Why are you
> doing your best to mislead people and prevent this discussion ?
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259394#259394
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Firestar questions |
A friend who's not on this list (yet) just acquired an older (1996) FSII
from an older gentleman who's decided it's time to hang up his wings. It's
pretty rough, though the previous owner was flying it as recently as last
year. Enough things wrong that I declined to fly it, though I did a few
fast taxis on the runway. LOTS of play in the ailerons, loose tail wires
(which another Kolb owner said was normal?!!), hardware hairpin cotter pins
instead of the AN safety pins in many of the clevis pins, and oversized
holes in the front wing attach points and wing strut ends, etc. It needs a
thorough going over, but he/I have a couple of questions:
With the oversized holes in the wing attach points and the aileron horns,
is it OK to weld the holes over and redrill them? Or better to weld a
washer over the hole? Are these heat treated, or is it OK to just weld and
then stress relieve? My friend's a pretty good welder, but only with MIG,
not a torch. One of the wing points seems to have been drilled oversize,
and the next size larger clevis pin installed... which is still loose in
the hole, and the hole in the fuselage attach point is too close (perhaps
3/32") from the lower edge of the bracket.
Currently there is no back seat, which is easy to add, but do any FSII's
have dual controls? Or did the factory offer it as an option? I know
anything _can_ be done, but it's easier if it's already a standard
mod. The new owner is not (yet) a pilot, and he'd like to learn in his own
airplane.
He has the build manual but no drawings... did drawings come with the
original kit?
-Dana
--
I love my country, but I fear my government.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Wingtips and induced drag in low altitude, light aircraft.
http://www.freewebtown.com/salil/Drag/Page8.html
Based on this, when I rebuild Ed's FSII, I think I will go with whatever is structurally
easiest, lightest, and uses whatever we have on hand.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259408#259408
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> Wingtips and induced drag in low altitude, light aircraft.
> http://www.freewebtown.com/salil/Drag/Page8.html
>
> Based on this, when I rebuild Ed's FSII, I think I will go with whatever
> is structurally easiest, lightest, and uses whatever we have on hand.
>
> Richard Pike
Richard P:
Enjoyed reading the referenced page.
I mentioned Homer's wing stalling at the root first, in a msg to the List
the other day. Didn't provoke any response, yea or nay.
This is a good illustration of progression of different style wings.
Homer's wing would be wing B. This is the reason we have such gentle stall
characteristics, if we don't screw with Homer's design. Also why we can
still maintain roll control right through the stall, because the ailerons
are still working.
john h
mkIII
"The other problem with elliptical wings is the stall characteristics. It is
much safer to design an airplane so that the wing stalls first at the root,
leaving the outer portion of the wing, (where the ailerons are) still
flying. An elliptical wing however, will tend to stall uniformly all along
the span (see the diagram below.) The "fix" for this situation is washout,
but that will reduce the theoretical gains in induced drag. Therefore, we
are unlikely to see a great resurgence in the use of elliptical wings,
except in situations where appearance dictates."
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
The other problem with elliptical wings is the stall characteristics. It is
much safer to design an airplane so that the wing stalls first at the root,
leaving the outer portion of the wing, (where the ailerons are) still
flying. An elliptical wing however, will tend to stall uniformly all along
the span (see the diagram below.) The "fix" for this situation is washout,
but that will reduce the theoretical gains in induced drag. Therefore, we
are unlikely to see a great resurgence in the use of elliptical wings,
except in situations where appearance dictates.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
The illustration is in the attached file.
I didn't notice it when the msg came through first time.
john h
mkIII
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips
>
> > Wingtips and induced drag in low altitude, light aircraft.
>> http://www.freewebtown.com/salil/Drag/Page8.html
>>
>> Based on this, when I rebuild Ed's FSII, I think I will go with whatever
>> is structurally easiest, lightest, and uses whatever we have on hand.
>>
>> Richard Pike
>
>
> Richard P:
>
> Enjoyed reading the referenced page.
>
> I mentioned Homer's wing stalling at the root first, in a msg to the List
> the other day. Didn't provoke any response, yea or nay.
>
> This is a good illustration of progression of different style wings.
>
> Homer's wing would be wing B. This is the reason we have such gentle
> stall
> characteristics, if we don't screw with Homer's design. Also why we can
> still maintain roll control right through the stall, because the ailerons
> are still working.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> "The other problem with elliptical wings is the stall characteristics. It
> is
> much safer to design an airplane so that the wing stalls first at the
> root,
> leaving the outer portion of the wing, (where the ailerons are) still
> flying. An elliptical wing however, will tend to stall uniformly all along
> the span (see the diagram below.) The "fix" for this situation is washout,
> but that will reduce the theoretical gains in induced drag. Therefore, we
> are unlikely to see a great resurgence in the use of elliptical wings,
> except in situations where appearance dictates."
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Ya all.
Nope, Homer did not get anything "wrong" with the wing tips on his
designs.
His objective was not to have the absolute best, most efficient wing
tip possible, but to have a good one that was quite simple and easy
for amateur home builders to get built right and still give excellent
performance. The addition of preformed factory furnished wing tips to
his kits would have added significantly to the cost of his kits.
Homer wanted to be as frugal with our money, as he was with his own,
and he succeeded in giving us a GREAT bank for the buck.
Thank you Homer ,,,,,,,, may you rest in peace.
Gene Z
PS
Do I encourage new builders to modify kolb's wing tip to the hoerner
style? Nope, I DO NOT. It is more difficult to get it right than
it looks.
On Aug 24, 2009, at 6:25 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> This comes to a surprise to me that I have been flying with wingtips
> that, "are very poor, one of the few things Kolb got really wrong in
> the design of the plane."
>
> How did jet pilot come up with this brilliant deduction?
>
> I don't take offense to your statement, but Homer Kolb probably
> would disagree with you if he were still here to defend himself. In
> fact, doesn't surprise me at all, but I would like an explanation on
> why Homer Kolb's wingtip is so very poor.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
>> I mentioned Homer's wing stalling at the root first=2C in a msg to the L
ist
> the other day. Didn't provoke any response=2C yea or nay.
> john h
> mkIII
John H.=2C
I beg to differ with you regarding the above statement. I politely asked
you to explain that premise=2C since I hadn't heard of it before. I recei
ved a response from you=2C to which I accepted.
Evidently polite discourse doesn't get noticed. Too bad.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Mike W:
My appologies for my very poor memory.
Thanks for reminding me.
I hope I have no offended you.
Evidently it did get noticed or I would not have responded to you.
My mistake was not intentional.
john h
mkIII - Working on my first cup of coffee.
John H.,
I beg to differ with you regarding the above statement. I politely
asked you to explain that premise, since I hadn't heard of it before. I
received a response from you, to which I accepted.
Evidently polite discourse doesn't get noticed. Too bad.
Mike Welch
MkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
Pat
Driving at "a speed equal to the driver's age" -- but isn't that in
clicks, not MPH? So it would be only 50MPH.
But take heart -- getting old is better than not getting old --
And don't you measure your airspeed in MPH too? Knots of course for
the Big Boys. They don't use clicks do they?
Russ
On Aug 24, 2009, at 3:50 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> Its nothing but pandering to peoples paranoia about airplanes while
> ignoring real dangers to the public.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> absolutely true. there should be graded exams to drive more
> powerful cars. To let someone who has just passed there driving
> exam (which should be much more difficult) walk out and get in a
> Porsche is nuts.
>
> Of course anyone driving a SUV should be shot on sight on priciple.
>
> To drive at 120 mph closing speed separated by a coat of paint on
> the road doesn`t bear thinking about.
>
> We have just had a couple of Americans staying with us for the last
> week to celebrate my 80th birthday. I offered to pick him up by car
> from Heathrow.
> He declined on the gounds that he did not want to be driven down
> the motorway at a speed equal to the drivers age.
>
> Some years ago I picked up an American from Heathrow. He had been
> on standby at JFK for a couple of days, then the flight was late
> arriving around 9 at night.
> He fell asleep almost as soon as I hit the motorway. Then he would
> open his eyes and scream to find himself being driven down the
> wrong way on the motorway, against a stream of lights in the dark
> at 80mph or over. This was when you had 50mph im;posed. He just
> screwed his eyes tight shut and curled into a foetal ball.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:39 AM, russ kinne wrote:
>
> Pat
> Driving at "a speed equal to the driver's age" -- but isn't that in
> clicks, not MPH? So it would be only 50MPH.
> But take heart -- getting old is better than not getting old --
> And don't you measure your airspeed in MPH too? Knots of course for the
> Big Boys. They don't use clicks do they?
>
Even 50 klicks on a tiny, narrow English country road can be hair-raising!
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | 1 dead in ultralight midair |
From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
I just saw this on the quicksilver list. 2 ultralights had a midair in Arcanum
Ohio. Before making a turn lift your wing up so you can see if it is clear before
making the turn. Keep your eyes open and scan for traffic. This is a sad
thing.
> Hi Guys,
>
> I lost a good friend this evening in a mid-air collision. He was on final
> approach in his powered parachute and was approx. 50' agl over the runway when
> his best friend in his Phantom flew right into him broadside, after the impact
> the Phantom cartwheeled into the corn field, the pilot of the Pahantom is also
a
> good friend, he was standing in a daze when I finally got to his plane, and all
> he could say was "I didn't see him", he was taken by Careflight and is in
> serious condition. The worst part is I witnessed the whole thing! I think I am
> still in shock. I just cant get the image of the Phantom certwheeling into the
> corn. I think I am gonna leave the Sport in the hangar for a few days, but I
am
> definatly still gonna fly! Both men knew the Lord Jesus Christ as their savior,
> so that fact alone gives me alot of comfort, but my heart aches for the
> families. If you dont mind, say a prayer for the families and also that my
> other friend comes through this ok. I will keep you informed.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
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Subject: | Re: Lindbergh and his flight |
From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
His 1st solo was at Americus ACJ :D
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Subject: | Re: Firestar questions |
From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
I call Travis at Kolb when I have these kind of questions
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Gene Z,
It is disappointing to see you put list politics ahead of good information. You
have made two responses, which are clearly aimed in " getting in good with
the guys... " You have also not answered a single question I asked about your
tips, you are obviously more afraid of offending someone, than adding factual
information to this thread. For someone that did a lot of work to change your
wingtip design, you sure are anxious to downplay it now, you posts just stink
of fear of offending one of these guys. Are you a brown noser at work also
? Finally, Gene Z and the rest, trying to turn the wingtip discussion into
something about Homer Kolb is just plain stupid. Don't try to use his recent
passing to your advantage, if you have something factual to add to the discussion,
then do it, making this about Homer is just wrong and shows your desperation
do badmouth a subject when you have no facts.
This reminds me of the VG discussion, where there have been many flight test and
reports by many good people here that have been ridiculed and ignored by a few
know nothings here. I have had many private responses by people that have
tried VG's and had very positive results, but did not want to post to the list
because of the reticule and bashing by a few loud mouth know nothings. Its to
bad that this group is bullied people like this.
Richard P.
Do you believe everything you read on the net ? The article you quoted had some
basic information, but its opinions and conclusions were garbage. You, and
a couple others here are so desperate to believe that your wingtips wont make
any difference that you are willing to ignore 50 years of testing and results
by General aviation manufacturers.
Kolb aircraft did not spend the money to develop its new wingtip for the MK III
for nothing. Enough people are now working on MK III 's with the new wingtips
that numbers and flight reports will start to come out, some of you are going
to look pretty bad when that happens, pretty short sighted for those saying
that wingtips can not be improved.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
but isn't that in
clicks, not MPH? So it would be only 50MPH.>>
Ha ha. That would be nice.
Pat
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From: | "Jim Hauck" <jimh474(at)embarqmail.com> |
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Blumax008(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: 1 dead in ultralight midair |
In a message dated 8/25/2009 10:52:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com writes:
I just saw this on the quicksilver list. 2 ultralights had a midair in
Arcanum Ohio.
By Golly! If they both had had that $80 Amalgamated fuel filter the Kolb
list was talking about recently...it would've saved both of 'em!
And where were the $2,000 BRS's we all just got to have. Maybe their $1,200
repacks were not current?
Rest in peace & no disrespect to your friend. It's just a little argument
(one of many) that we have from time to time on the Kolb list.
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
=JulystepsfooterNO115)
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From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Mr. John H=2C
No problem at all. Can't fault ya for the memory thing. I'm afraid my l
ist of 'attributes that aren't as sharp as they used to be' is getting long
er all the time.
Funny thing. The older I get=2C the better I was!! : )
Have a pleasant day.
Mike Welch
From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips
Date: Tue=2C 25 Aug 2009 07:47:40 -0500
Mike W:
My appologies for my very poor memory.
Thanks for reminding me.
I hope I have no offended you.
Evidently it did get noticed or I would not have responded to you.
My mistake was not intentional.
john h
mkIII - Working on my first cup of coffee.
John H.=2C
I beg to differ with you regarding the above statement. I politely asked
you to explain that premise=2C since I hadn't heard of it before. I recei
ved a response from you=2C to which I accepted.
Evidently polite discourse doesn't get noticed. Too bad.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
When I read stuff like this , it makes me wonder...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with quote
Gene Z,
It is disappointing to see you put list politics ahead of good information. You
have made two responses, which are clearly aimed in " getting in good with the
guys... " You have also not answered a single question I asked about your tips,
you are obviously more afraid of offending someone, than adding factual information
to this thread. For someone that did a lot of work to change your wingtip
design, you sure are anxious to downplay it now, you posts just stink of
fear of offending one of these guys. Are you a brown noser at work also ? Finally,
Gene Z and the rest, trying to turn the wingtip discussion into something
about Homer Kolb is just plain stupid. Don't try to use his recent passing to
your advantage, if you have something factual to add to the discussion, then
do it, making this about Homer is just wrong and shows your desperation do badmouth
a subject when you have no facts.
This reminds me of the VG discussion, where there have been many flight test and
reports by many good people here that have been ridiculed and ignored by a few
know nothings here. I have had many private responses by people that have tried
VG's and had very positive results, but did not want to post to the list
because of the reticule and bashing by a few loud mouth know nothings. Its to
bad that this group is bullied people like this.
Richard P.
Do you believe everything you read on the net ? The article you quoted had some
basic information, but its opinions and conclusions were garbage. You, and a
couple others here are so desperate to believe that your wingtips wont make any
difference that you are willing to ignore 50 years of testing and results by
General aviation manufacturers.
Kolb aircraft did not spend the money to develop its new wingtip for the MK III
for nothing. Enough people are now working on MK III 's with the new wingtips
that numbers and flight reports will start to come out, some of you are going
to look pretty bad when that happens, pretty short sighted for those saying that
wingtips can not be improved.
Mike
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So after much due reflection, I have decided to respond appropriately: (and since
I don't spend much time here any more anyway, due to postings such as the above...
and therefore can accept being thrown off) (Sorry Matt, I'll accept whatever
you think I deserve)
I think we all need to take a deep breath and meditate on some appropriate demotivational
posters until our heads clear and our blood pressure returns to normal.
See? Suddenly everything is back in perspective.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami |
Yes! I enjoyed the video also.
A few years ago some one else did a similar video around Chicago it had
notations or something that identified stuff as he flew around. Would it be
possible for you to do that also?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Videos of yesterday's flight in Miami
>
> Thanks, Guys,
> Glad you enjoyed the video. Sorry about the quality...
> The dots on the windscreen are horizon markers for us as we get the "sight
> picture" ingrained in our heads for landing. We're still newbies, having
> bought our MkIII-C from Steven Green in May.
>
> As far as the airspace goes, you're right- Class Bravo overlays much of
> the area we flew, but at 500 ft agl, we were out of the way. We also had a
> discrete txpnder code and flight following going for us. ATC was very
> accommodating from Ft Lauderdale through Miami and Homestead Air Reserve
> Base (HST), both ways!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259291#259291
>
>
>
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Subject: | fire star 2 for sale |
From: | "dfcpac" <dfcpac(at)aol.com> |
i recently purchased a real nice firestar 2, nothing wrong with it. very nice flying
plane excellent build but decided it's not for me.
it's a 2001, with 160 hrs tt since new. n numbered esla certified, excellent condition.
aloways hangered,stits covered yellow with red trim. rotax 503 b box.
three bladed ivo prop. engine information system pull or electric start. kuntzlerman
"hot box" bre 750, hydraulicbrakes. 12 gallon fue,large tires. 3 windscreens
open or closed. stream line struts, wing tip strobes 4 point harness. icom
radio. cage and tube powder coated. custom kolb trailer. other extra's too
very nice plane i'm selling it for 12,700.00
i'm located on long island in ny
email dfcpac(at)aol.com
phone 631 880 2343
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From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
Mike,
1st you say:
"The type wingtips on the Kolb now are horrible aerodynamically, exactly why
is
way beyond what I can cover here, but the information is available all over
the
Internet if you research it."
Then you say,
"Richard P.
Do you believe everything you read on the net ?"
All about wingtip design.
Then I asked:
Mr. Jetpilot, Where are these "Facts" that support your statement that the
Plans built Kolb wingtips are inferior??
No response yet.
But you know what? I am not interested in anything else you have to say, so
from now on, when I post a comment, or a question from the group, please,
disreguard.
Thank you in advance,
Jim Kmet
Cookeville, TN
MK-3C
(Never Piloted a Jet)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips
>
> When I read stuff like this , it makes me wonder...
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with
> quote
> Gene Z,
>
> It is disappointing to see you put list politics ahead of good
> information. You have made two responses, which are clearly aimed in "
> getting in good with the guys... " You have also not answered a single
> question I asked about your tips, you are obviously more afraid of
> offending someone, than adding factual information to this thread. For
> someone that did a lot of work to change your wingtip design, you sure are
> anxious to downplay it now, you posts just stink of fear of offending one
> of these guys. Are you a brown noser at work also ? Finally, Gene Z and
> the rest, trying to turn the wingtip discussion into something about Homer
> Kolb is just plain stupid. Don't try to use his recent passing to your
> advantage, if you have something factual to add to the discussion, then do
> it, making this about Homer is just wrong and shows your desperation do
> badmouth a subject when you have no facts.
>
> This reminds me of the VG discussion, where there have been many flight
> test and reports by many good people here that have been ridiculed and
> ignored by a few know nothings here. I have had many private responses by
> people that have tried VG's and had very positive results, but did not
> want to post to the list because of the reticule and bashing by a few loud
> mouth know nothings. Its to bad that this group is bullied people like
> this.
>
> Richard P.
>
> Do you believe everything you read on the net ? The article you quoted had
> some basic information, but its opinions and conclusions were garbage.
> You, and a couple others here are so desperate to believe that your
> wingtips wont make any difference that you are willing to ignore 50 years
> of testing and results by General aviation manufacturers.
>
> Kolb aircraft did not spend the money to develop its new wingtip for the
> MK III for nothing. Enough people are now working on MK III 's with the
> new wingtips that numbers and flight reports will start to come out, some
> of you are going to look pretty bad when that happens, pretty short
> sighted for those saying that wingtips can not be improved.
>
> Mike
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> So after much due reflection, I have decided to respond appropriately:
> (and since I don't spend much time here any more anyway, due to postings
> such as the above... and therefore can accept being thrown off) (Sorry
> Matt, I'll accept whatever you think I deserve)
>
> I think we all need to take a deep breath and meditate on some appropriate
> demotivational posters until our heads clear and our blood pressure
> returns to normal.
>
> See? Suddenly everything is back in perspective.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259538#259538
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/lackoffaith_412.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/nofear_194.jpg
>
>
>
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Subject: | firestar 2 for sale |
i recently purchased a real nice firestar 2, nothing wrong with it. very
nice flying plane excellent build but decided it's not for me.
it's a 2001, with 160 hrs tt since new. n numbered esla certified,
excellent condition. aloways hangered,stits covered yellow with red trim. rotax
503 b box. three bladed ivo prop. engine information system pull or electric
start. kuntzlerman "hot box" bre 750, hydraulicbrakes. 12 gallon fue,large
tires. 3 windscreens open or closed. stream line struts, wing tip strobes 4
point harness. icom radio. cage and tube powder coated. custom kolb
trailer. other extra's too
very nice plane i'm selling it for 12,700.00
i'm located on long island in ny
email _dfcpac(at)aol.com_ (mailto:dfcpac(at)aol.com)
phone 631 880 2343
thank you
daniel carley
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From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Subject: | Firestar questions |
With the oversized holes in the wing attach points and the aileron horns,
is it OK to weld the holes over and redrill them? Or better to weld a
washer over the hole? Are these heat treated, or is it OK to just weld and
then stress relieve? My friend's a pretty good welder, but only with MIG,
not a torch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Just food for thought,,,,, drill to the next oversize then weld in a
bushing,,, that would give far more surface area for wear.
Boyd Young
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Subject: | Re: Message to Matt |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
This kind of complaint coming from the PlaneCrazzzy who went back and changed many
posts, and then LIED to everyone here about what he had posted. For a flakey
loser that has to lie and then change posts to cover his tracks like is as
about as hypocritical as you can get.
As many have noticed, the same group of bullies has been trying to drive me off
the list for years. Matt and see this and is aware of it , and others see it
also... One even commented about it in the fuel filter thread. Most are
afraid to post because of these people.
JAMESBEARD305(at)msn.com wrote:
>
>
> nice post. Being a newbie myself, lurking for years, I have not had the experience
of being ridiculed, but instead ignored...
>
>
This small group of bad apples is driving more new people on the list than anyone
knows. Its always the same few guys have been carrying the same old tired
grudge for years. I don't hide from bullies and their tactics, I stand up to
them.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Richard Pike,
For claiming to be a preacher, you have continually made every attempt to cause
problems and get revenge to settle your vendetta at every opportunity. I said
this the other day, and previously in the past. Posting offensive pictures
just shows what a hypocrite you are. In the past, you participated in bad behavior
as much as anyone, and then claimed to leave the list because you did
not like the way it was going. Now you have posted be far the most objection
thing ever see on this list.
Your conduct as a preacher reminds me of fanatical religious sects, who claim to
be men of God, while committing acts far worse than the people they are complaining
about. You would fit in with fanatical sects very well. Because you
sure have a need for revenge, and have held a grudge better than just about anyone
here.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Re: Message to Matt |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
planecrazzzy wrote:
> No , I didn't lie about anything...
>
> And you can KMA
> .
Here is the post where you lied to everyone about what you had said.. (near bottom
).
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=46496
And here is one of the posts in the forum you changed 7 months after you wrote
it, as you did several others to back up you lie. ( Near bottom of page, Dates
of edit are shown )...
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=36500
One of the list readers went back to the archives where PlaneCrazzzy could not
change his post, and caught him in his lie to everyone. Now you are doing it
again, complaining about my behavior while lying about your own actions.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Name identification |
Mike Bigelow=2C
Would you be kind enough to identify yourself more clearly=2C please? Th
ere are several "Mikes" (Mike & Jaz=2C Michael Sharp=2C Mike Welch=2C Mike
Adams {?} and a couple of others).
To avoid confusion=2C I'm sure the rest of us Mikes would appreciate it i
f you would identify yourself more specifically=2C namely Mike B.....or Mik
e Bigelow.....or just Jetpilot.
There are several Richards (all nice guys=2C I might add)=2C several John
s=2C likely=2C etc.=2C etc. A last name would be more helpful. Thanks a t
on.
Mike Welch
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Gene Z,
You posted this yesterday about your Hoernier wingtips:
etzimm(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
> I can fly indefinitely and pick up either wing in a bank with rudder only in
my plane.
> I believe it is due to the Hoerner type mod I have done to my wing tips.
>
>
> None of the other kolb planes that I have ever flown, have had that capability.
>
>
> Gene Z
>
Then today when it is apparent that Gene Z's report will not be " Popular " with
the little gang, he flip flops faster than a politician:
etzimm(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Do I encourage new builders to modify kolb's wing tip to the hoerner
> style? Nope, I DO NOT.
>
> Homer wanted to be as frugal with our money, as he was with his own,
> and he succeeded in giving us a GREAT bank for the buck.
>
> Thank you Homer ,,,,,,,, may you rest in peace.
> Gene Z
>
> Etc. Etc....
>
>
Quite a flip flop from last nights post. You are so desperate to get in with
this little clique of guys, I hope its worth it for you selling out like you did.
Then again, that kind of behavior, doing anything to get in good with a little
group, is usually developed in childhood. Its probably such second nature
to put group politics over truth and fact, that Gene does not even think about
it. I have seen many people like this, and no one respects them.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | George Thompson <eagle1live(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: fire star 2 for sale |
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From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
I knew this was coming.
************************************************************
JetPilot
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1137
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with quote
Richard Pike,
For claiming to be a preacher, you have continually made every attempt to cause
problems and get revenge to settle your vendetta at every opportunity. I said
this the other day, and previously in the past. Posting offensive pictures just
shows what a hypocrite you are. In the past, you participated in bad behavior
as much as anyone, and then claimed to leave the list because you did not like
the way it was going. Now you have posted by far the most objectionable thing
ever see on this list.
Your conduct as a preacher reminds me of fanatical religious sects, who claim to
be men of God, while committing acts far worse than the people they are complaining
about. You would fit in with fanatical sects very well. Because you sure
have a need for revenge, and have held a grudge better than just about anyone
here.
And shame on those that would support this type of thing..
Mike
***********************************************************
According to you, Christians are supposed to always keep their mouths shut and
to disagree with you is rank heresy. I'll leave it to my congregation and those
who know me best to decide if I am a hypocrite or not, feel free to go by the
church website and see what I've been doing for the last 12 years and make your
decision.
In the meantime try this on for size.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Today was the day |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
455 Zulu Delta has been down for awhile as I got carried away with
improvements. Over the course of last fall, winter, spring, and most of this
summer she got a new engine mount per the 618 mounting in the drawings, new
cooling system, new fuel and electrical systems and over the last few days a
new throttle quadrant, too. Last night I hooked up the manometer to balance
the newly rebuilt carbs and this morning was all about the little details
and putting the wings back on.Thanks to all who have made suggestions over
the last couple of years. Especially those who pointed out that my pitot
static system was probably giving wildly over optimistic readings. Yeah,
that's new too.
Although I am rusty and all the controls are backward to my trike, I managed
to do three full stop landings and one touch and go. Even took a little
cruise around the Grand Duchy of Udall when I decided the 582 was probably
going to keep running.
Thanks to Bob Nuckolls and the Aeroelectric Connection. The Z-17
architecture is perfect.
Thanks to my wife, Lou, who wasn't feeling all that well but still helped me
put the wings back on and took pictures.
Rick Girard
oh yeah, archive this
PS Oh yeah I went through the "C" gearbox and got rid of that *&%$*(*$*)
Rice King clutch. Now I have a glide, too.
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Firestar questions |
At 04:43 PM 8/25/2009, b young wrote:
>Just food for thought,,,,, drill to the next oversize then weld in a
>bushing,,, that would give far more surface area for wear.
Problem is, one of them is already drilled out larger (3/8 vs 5/16) and not
on center, so it's already too close to the edge of the fitting.
My thought is to weld the holes up, then weld plates on over the originals,
and redrill (to the original size) in the proper place.
-Dana
--
It's only premarital sex if you're going to get married.
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Subject: | Sunday breakfast |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Got caught by a camera on they way to breakfast Sunday.Not that nice a day for
flying but at least it's Kolb related.Taken from a friend's Chinook over NE Ohio.
??????????????? G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A 465hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: Don James <jbmindustries(at)att.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:05 pm
Subject: Pictures of your plane are attached:
?
?
?
?
Donald James
JBM Industries
Kent, Ohio?
44240?? USA
?
330-678-9537
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From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Message to Matt |
Hi Mike,
I can (& do) relate to your frustration with certain elements of the
internet community. The problem with any kind of punishment like you
describe is that it forces some person to be the ultimate arbitrator,
which ultimately means censorship based on one person's opinion.
I'd suggest what I consider to be a much better solution. If you get the
list through email, you can set up your email client (software) to
automatically move any messages from a particular individual directly to
your 'junk' or 'spam' folder.
If you're talking about the person I suspect you are, I can tell you
that I never see anything from him unless someone else responds to his
email and quotes him in their reply. His posts may be in the archives,
but if no one responds to any of them then anyone who searches for info
in the future will, or at least should, be very suspicious of posts with
no confirmation from others on the list.
Once you learn how to set it up (very simple in most software), the guy
will almost cease to exist in your universe, with no need to get into
forcing your (and my) opinion on others. If you need some help, drop me
a line off-list & I'll try to help you set it up.
Charlie
planecrazzzy wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
> Here's a copy of the letter I wrote Matt...
>
> Have you guys already tried to get SOMETHING done about the
>
> ongoing constant plague that just never ends...? I hear the complaints
>
> all the time.... but all anybody can do is hit the Delete key....
>
> There's got to be a better way...
> .
>
>
>> Hey Matt,
>>
>> Just thought I'd "Check in" with you....
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the main reasons I left the Kolb Matronics site... and started my own
little
>>
>> Firestar group , was because of some of the Bickering....
>>
>>
>>
>> I check in from time to time... Same crap... same guy...
>>
>>
>>
>> Suggestion.... you need some kind of "TIME-OUT" ....
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe for two weeks.... maybe more....
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe a voted "board" of three or four.... that have to all agree to "time
out" someone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Because the way it is now..... Sucks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gotta Fly...
>>
>> Mike & "Jaz" the Flying Dog
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: | "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com> |
Jet pilot,
Would you mind posting your resume? You speak with a lot of authority and confidence
on aerodynamic issues. I have always assumed from your handle that you
fly jets. Other than that, do you have specific education in aerodynamics
and engineering? Maybe a B.S. degree in aerodynamic theory? A masters in low
speed airfoils and wing design? Years of computational fluid dynamics and flow
modeling experience?
Lots of sizzle...any steak?
This isn't a personal attack, I would really like to know.
Thanks,
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
> Mike,
> 1st you say:
> "The type wingtips on the Kolb now are horrible aerodynamically, exactly why
> is
> way beyond what I can cover here, but the information is available all over
> the
> Internet if you research it."
>
> Then you say,
> "Richard P.
>
> Do you believe everything you read on the net ?"
>
> Jim Kmet
>
Jim Kmet,
There is a big difference between doing research on the net about aerodynamic theory,
and picking ONE page on the Internet that goes against more than 50 years
of aircraft design by GA and LSA manufacturers. Obviously this concept is
above you intellect, you are just not the brightest bulb in the bunch if this
got past you.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | <apilot(at)surewest.net> |
What price would be fair for my Mark III Classic? It flies great and matches performance
of a Rotax 582 with it's Geo Metro G10 engine and electric Ivo 3 blade
prop. Ask off line for pictures at apilot(at)surewest.net Vic Gibson
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
Love it. May I use it. Know a few people that would get a smile out of that.
Tony
Downunder
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:15 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wingtips
>
> I knew this was coming.
> ************************************************************
>
> JetPilot
> Joined: 10 Jan 2006
> Posts: 1137
> Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Wingtips Reply with
> quote
> Richard Pike,
>
> For claiming to be a preacher, you have continually made every attempt to
> cause problems and get revenge to settle your vendetta at every
> opportunity. I said this the other day, and previously in the past.
> Posting offensive pictures just shows what a hypocrite you are. In the
> past, you participated in bad behavior as much as anyone, and then claimed
> to leave the list because you did not like the way it was going. Now you
> have posted by far the most objectionable thing ever see on this list.
>
> Your conduct as a preacher reminds me of fanatical religious sects, who
> claim to be men of God, while committing acts far worse than the people
> they are complaining about. You would fit in with fanatical sects very
> well. Because you sure have a need for revenge, and have held a grudge
> better than just about anyone here.
>
> And shame on those that would support this type of thing..
>
> Mike
> ***********************************************************
>
>
> According to you, Christians are supposed to always keep their mouths shut
> and to disagree with you is rank heresy. I'll leave it to my congregation
> and those who know me best to decide if I am a hypocrite or not, feel free
> to go by the church website and see what I've been doing for the last 12
> years and make your decision.
>
> In the meantime try this on for size.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259576#259576
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/walksonwater_119.jpg
>
>
>
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From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
Richard Girard was unfortunately correct. A lot of heat but I have not even seen
the wing tip designs and was unable to use the link provided.
I will look through previous posts.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: Firestar questions |
I had a heavy wing on my firestar , and after talking to kolb and
Bryan Melborn a fix is to weld up the hole and reposition it up or
down in the wing tab. Doing this changes the angle of atack of the wing.
It {MAY} be that if you fly the plane you'll find that the hole is
where it should be for that particular A/C.
Moveing the hole 1/2 the hole width made a difference in the way my
plane flys.
On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
Good luck
Frank Goodnight
firestar 2
Brownsville , TX
>
> At 04:43 PM 8/25/2009, b young wrote:
>
>> Just food for thought,,,,, drill to the next oversize then weld
>> in a
>> bushing,,, that would give far more surface area for wear.
>
> Problem is, one of them is already drilled out larger (3/8 vs 5/16)
> and not on center, so it's already too close to the edge of the
> fitting.
>
> My thought is to weld the holes up, then weld plates on over the
> originals, and redrill (to the original size) in the proper place.
>
> -Dana
> --
> It's only premarital sex if you're going to get married.
>
>
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From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Richard Pike,
Well done!
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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Subject: | Re: Sunday breakfast |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Gary,
Nice photos of a nice Aussie powered Kolb. In the second photo I see something
foreward of the engine that is white in color that looks to be a fairing of some
sort. Can you tell us what that is?
Also noticed your extended exhaust system. That surely gets the carbon off the
prop. Have you noticed any other difference with the exhaust extension?
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259665#259665
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Subject: | Re: Sunday breakfast |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Gary,
Nice photos of a nice Aussie powered Kolb. In the second photo I see something
foreward of the engine that is white in color that looks to be a fairing of some
sort. Can you tell us what that is?
Also noticed your extended exhaust system. That surely gets the carbon off the
prop. Have you noticed any other difference with the exhaust extension?
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259666#259666
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Subject: | Re: Sunday breakfast |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Gary,
Nice photos of a nice Aussie powered Kolb. In the second photo I see something
foreward of the engine that is white in color that looks to be a fairing of some
sort. Can you tell us what that is?
Also noticed your extended exhaust system. That surely gets the carbon off the
prop. Have you noticed any other difference with the exhaust extension?
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259667#259667
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Subject: | Re: Sunday breakfast |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Thom,
?? The fairing covers completely the aft end of the engine enclosing the distributors,
coils and the upper half of the carb.It also directs a smooth air flow
to the cooling shrouds.I can't take any credit for the design for it was installed
when I purchased the Mark from Will Tatham . I will get some pictures that
show it's design clearly,for it is easily removed with 3 an3 bolts in less
than a minute.I don't beleive it weighs a pound.
??????? The exhaust is strictly home brewed.Noise abatement in the cabin was the
motivation for this.That part worked well,no power loss BUT,if you have ever
felt the air movement coming out of the cabin end of the fuselage tube, just
add exhaust to the mix.Had to make a 4" foam gasket in the tube to keep from getting
gassed.The chrome tail pipes are VW and they quiet things down OK but after
150 hrs the baffles are gone and I need to unweld the pipes and replace them.
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
?
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:13 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast
Gary,
Nice photos of a nice Aussie powered Kolb. In the second photo I see something
foreward of the engine that is white in color that looks to be a fairing of some
sort. Can you tell us what that is?
Also noticed your extended exhaust system. That surely gets the carbon off the
prop. Have you noticed any other difference with the exhaust extension?
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
- John Gaule
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259665#259665
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Subject: | Re: Sunday breakfast |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, G.
I'd very much like to see the photos of the fairing.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259679#259679
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From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
? Thom,
? Here is a couple from Geo.Alexander.
-----Original Message-----
From: George T. Alexander, Jr. <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:34 am
Subject: Photo
Gary:
I'm sure you have
many, but attached?are a couple of photos?showing your?engine
w/cowling that I took at Buchan.? In case you wanted to?share with
Riddle/Kolb List.
Hope all is
well.
George
Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
?
?
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Thom Riddle wrote:
> Richard Pike,
>
> Well done!
Thom,
You have also flip flopped on this issue just to impress your friends in your little
clique. Two days ago you posted:
Thom Riddle wrote:
> I can't say what the Hoerner style wingtips will do for a Kolb wing but can tell
you they make a world of difference on a Cherokee 140. Can't tell much difference
at high cruise but slow flight lateral control and stability were much
improved over the standard Cherokee wingtips.
Now you tell Richard Well done for posting bad and false information, and support
him in posting some of the worst attacks ever seen on this forum. Very typical
of a looser that just goes along with whatever his friends do, the same
type of mentality you see with little street punks and their gangs.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Kolbers,
Way back NACA was interested in different wing tip configurations. In a
1923 study, they compared three different wing profiles using three
different wing tip rake angles.
You can see it at:
http://naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk/reports/1923/naca-report-140.pdf
In all cases, the lift to drag ratio improved with increased rake angles for
low angles of attack with increased tip rake angle.
Some of the most up to date work on this subject has been done by
http://www.winggrid.ch/ where they make a short fat wing act like a high
aspect ratio wing. It would be interesting to see a FireFly with this
wing.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
MikeBigblow: Wrong again. My "Well done" was for the art work Richard did, which
had zero, nothing, zilch, nada to do with the subject of wing tips and EVERYTHING
to do with you.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259693#259693
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From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
Could you check the link you posted http://www.winggrid.ch/ ? When I click on it, it does not go to what I think you meant it to go to. I'm very interested in the study.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259694#259694
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Thom Riddle wrote:
> MikeBigblow: Wrong again. My "Well done" was for the art work Richard did, which
had zero, nothing, zilch, nada to do with the subject of wing tips and EVERYTHING
to do with you.
Lets see, you support Richard posting some of the worst things ever seen on this
list, and then you criticize me. Double standards, hypocrisy, call it what
you want, what I said about you is true. You are a the type of loser that does
not care about right or wrong, or anything except fitting in with you little
gang. Typical street punk behavior, you are a very impressive man Thom, I
wonder if you teach your kids the same values ?
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Gang Mentality, And A Few driving many away from Kolb List |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I provide a lot of good and educated information about Kolbs on this forum, and
in response I get a lot of questions and comments about what people have done
to their planes in email and private messages. One of the most common comments
I see is that people want to improve their Kolbs, or have done so, but are
afraid to post a report or ask a question that might be deemed " Unpopular "
with a certain little group here. They see the constant harassment I get when
posting good information about fuel filters, VG's, or any other subject here,
always by the same little gang of guys. These guys do a disservice to the Kolb
community by offering up one liners with zero factual information, and try
to mislead people and attempt to discredit good and factual information I post
about Kolbs here. It take a pretty small man that is so threatened by someone
else posting good information here, that they need to mislead and distract
other members of this forum away from important information about their Kolbs.
People do notice the way this small group of guys act, and either directly,
or indirectly attack anything I post on this list:
JAMESBEARD305(at)msn.com wrote:
>
> Being a newbie myself, lurking for years, I have not had the experience of being
ridiculed, but instead ignored...
>
For every person that speaks up, there are many more that are driven away from
this list by this constant hostile attitude by a small group of guys. The few
of you doing this, you are a disservice to this list and to the Kolb community.
This little group claims to be " Offended " by some of the things I have
said, yet they post the worst things ever seen on this list, both by volume and
content. We all know people will do far worse things when in a gang than
alone, and we see this street punk gang type mentality in action here. There
is no excuse for their behavior, and just because a few of their friends are
egging them on does not make it OK. This forum has some of the worst examples
of hypocritical behavior and double standards I have ever seen anywhere. Those
of you participating in this, you are killing your own forum, and doing a
disservice to the the people that come here for safety and other information
on how to improve their Kolbs. Putting your own personal vendettas above the
posting much safety information here is a disservice to everyone that reads this
list.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
OK Mike, you win.
Through your extreme powers of persuasion, I finally must admit that each and EVERYONE
else on the list is a scum bag. Only YOU are worth anything at all. I
now see the error of my ways. I shall go into rehabilitation, if YOU think that
there is any chance at all for me. If you do please advise me where to get the
help I need, for it is obvious that I don't have the mental capacity to figure
it our for myself. If YOU don't think I have any chance at all, please advise
me of that too. That way I will no beyond a shadow of a doubt because the
great one has said it is so. Until then, bite me.
El Fin
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Lets see, you support Richard posting some of the worst things ever seen on
this list, and then you criticize me. Double >>
C`mon you guys. Cool it.
One of the drawbacks of e-mail is that you can make an instant response.
I have found over the years that when I am in a real rage over something
(which is pretty regularly)it is a great thing to write a letter venting my
spleen on the cause of my anger.
You then keep it until the next morning. Tear it up, write a reasoned reply.
This achieves two things.
One) It gets all your anger out of your system.
two) It enables you to refute, with reasoned argument, whatever has upset
you.
We are all on the same side here. There are no enemies, there are just
things on which we disagree. Thats life, no need to go ballistic.
Cheers
Pat (with peacemaker hat on)
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From: | "Jim Hauck" <jimh474(at)embarqmail.com> |
Dang Pat;
The last time you Brits brokered a peace we ended up in WWII, so put the
peace hat back in the closet:)
Jim H
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Subject: | World's cheapest static port |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
One of the last things I did before hanging the wings again was redo the
pitot static system based upon comments from folks here who said the
airspeeds I was seeing were rather optimistic. As I was casting about for
ways to make static ports I hit upon this idea and it seems to work.Take a
3/16" aluminum pop rivet with 1/8" to 1/4" grip range and pull the ball just
part way into the rivet body. Knock out the stem leaving the rivet hollow.
Grip in a pair of pliers and drill out with # 30 drill bit. Use an 1/8"
aluminum rivet to attach the larger rivet to the inside of the fuselage pod.
I had an existing hole about 4" in front of the instrument panel and level
with the door strut on my Mk III. so I used it and matched it on the
opposite side. Hook up with vinyl hose or primer line via a Tee fitting to
the ASI.
I made the pitot out of 1/4" tubing poked straight out of the nose cone
about 2" and then made a removable extension about 8" long attached with
1/4" ID fuel line. I learned the hard way that the fat lady who hasn't seen
her shoes while standing in years will not see a low mounted pitot tube,
either. :-)
It seems to work and the numbers I get are in line with the factory quoted
stall speed and those that others have quoted here for a 582 powered Mk III.
Rick Girard
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 11:43 AM 8/26/2009, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
>Way back NACA was interested in different wing tip configurations. In a
>1923 study, they compared three different wing profiles using three
>different wing tip rake angles....
>In all cases, the lift to drag ratio improved with increased rake angles..
Interesting Jack, kind of like the "power tip" mod you made to your
propeller (as did I on one of my paramotors).
>Some of the most up to date work on this subject has been done by
>http://www.winggrid.ch/ ...
Bad link.
-Dana
--
New Yorkers like to boast that if you can survive in New York, you can
survive anywhere. But if you can survive anywhere, why live in New York?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
Even 50 klicks on a tiny, narrow English country road can be
hair-raising!>>
Hi Robert,
I guess you just have to be born here.
I can remember Yank convoys driving round here during the war. They
knocked down more miles of wall than you would believe.
Some of it had been on the edge of falling down for a couple of hundred
years. The army only had to drive by and they suddenly fell . Farmers
were rebuilding walls on the insurance pay out for years.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
You forgot to mention the cell phone...Mike...unbelievable the number
of idiots on the road with them stuck in their ears while driving..
Hi Herb,
Is driving while using the phone illegal in the US?
It is here, but it doesn`t seem to make much difference. I don`t believe
that the `hands free` system should be allowed either. No matter how easy it
is supposed to be, it IS distracting. Fancy being killed just because some
guy is so important that he must be in constant touch.
Cant be very difficult to design a phone that shuts down when the ignition
is turned on.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
May be we should ask Matt to start a "bitchlist" where anyone could go to
vent their spleen.
Just a thought, as it may help to keep the kolblist on target.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Making a working static port |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
It won't work worth a darn if you don't drill an .05" hole in the mandrel of
the 1/8" after it's pulled. THEN install the line.
Sorry about that.
Rick
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Quote:
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:39 am Post subject: Wingtips Reply with quote
Kolbers,
Way back NACA was interested in different wing tip configurations. In a
1923 study, they compared three different wing profiles using three
different wing tip rake angles.
You can see it at:
http://naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk/reports/1923/naca-report-140.pdf
In all cases, the lift to drag ratio improved with increased rake angles for
low angles of attack with increased tip rake angle.
Some of the most up to date work on this subject has been done by
http://www.winggrid.ch/ where they make a short fat wing act like a high
aspect ratio wing. It would be interesting to see a FireFly with this
wing.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
**********************************************
Really interesting article on that first link Jack, my old Maxair Hummer had that
sort of wingtips, don't know how much difference they made in how it flew,
but it did fly quite well.
Could you resubmit that second link? It's not working.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259746#259746
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
>
>Jack,
>
>Could you check the link you posted http://www.winggrid.ch/ ? When I click
on it, it does not go to what I think you meant it to go to. I'm very
interested in the study.
>
>--------
Thom,
I apologize for shooting a blank. I copied a jump out of my bookmarks
without checking it. After googling I found that most references seem to
have disappeared from the web. It may be due to copyright due to the fact
that NASA partially funded the research. The jump that I found was:
http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/winggrid6.html
The following is a table reproduced from the jump. It indicates that if
this technique is applied to light aircraft there will be a significant
reduction in induced drag possible.
Aircraft Aspect Induced % wing Reduction Total drag
type ratio drag % span with of induced reduction
geom. of total WING-GRID drag
DC-9-80 9.62 30% 5% 10% 3% by retrofit
elliptic wing
Maule 6.2 50% 5% 50% 25% by retrofit
MXT-7-180 rectangular wing
UL-plane 6 60% 20% 70% 42% by retrofit
estimate rectangular wing
By the way, this is just not theory, aircraft are flying using this technology.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Gang Mentality, And A Few driving many away from Kolb List |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Jim Hauck,
Out of respect for your brother John H, who is one of the finest people I have
ever met, I have never disrespected you in any way. Your above post was way out
of line and uncalled for.
Don't even try to excuse your post because you " just want this to stop, " because
you have ignored much worse posts from all the others over the past few days,
and not said a word. Double standards, and jumping in with the gang don't
do much for your credibility. You may feel you are " IN " with the little
gang now, comfortable that your little friends are backing you up, but you know
better.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259756#259756
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Blumax008(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: The crazy guy is retiring from The List... |
This is Bill Catalina of Tallahassee, Florida...actually Ochlockonee Bay
but nobody knows where that is. Anywho, I'm sure some if not most (or all)
of you will be happy to hear that I am retiring from the list effected as
soon as someone tells me how to do it...get off the list that is.
I know I cause too much crap with my Old World Ways of doing things, no
BRS, no $80 fuel filter, no techy talk, 503 six times beyond recommended
overhaul & a myriad of other things you whippersnappers of today...and
yesterday...hate to hear.
I was just trying to let the new people know that they don't have to spend
enough money to launch the Space Shuttle to get into this sport, they don't
have to buy $100 fuel filters & they don't have to be an aeronautical
engineer. Hell, I flew without any instruments at all for many years...just
relied on my eyesight, feeling & hearing & just knowing what things were
supposed to sound & feel like.
For you Trike riders out there...YES...you can fly with a severely bent
keel tube that's been blown over by a storm...not too far I might add but far
enough to get you back to your airport. You'll know you've gone too far
when your wing ribs start flapping loose & falling out of their
pockets...remember where they drop off.
KISS...Keep It Simple S-----
So long & goodbye Mrs. Calabash...wherever you are!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
> Gene,
>
> Just some thoughts. There a couple of other factors that may help
> you. Your
> lateral cg is centered and this puts equal load on each wing. Also,
> you
> engine and propeller combination may weigh less than John's so your
> vertical
> cg is lower. Both of these factors will promote increased lateral
> stability
> given equal dihedral.
>
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
Jack,
The position of the cg does have a significant effect on roll
performance. However on my plane with the modified hoerner type wing
tips the cg is significantly lower than on my Mark II. giving it more
pendulum effect which works to resist rolling. To roll out of a bank
angle with rudder only the hoerner type tips must over power this
greater pendulum stability.
My Firestar with the hoerner modified tips will pick up a wing with
rudder only. On my Mark II will not, But The Mark II does have a
noticeably quicker aileron roll response, I believe primarily because
the cg is closer to the center of the wing's roll axis.
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
<< What price would be fair for my Mark III Classic? It flies great
and matches performance
of a Rotax 582 with it's Geo Metro G10 engine and electric Ivo 3 blade
prop. Vic Gibson >>
Vic -
As always, the "fair" price is whatever a buyer is willing to pay.
(That was no help, I know!)
In looking at the prices posted for Kolb Mark-IIIs on Barnstormer's over
the past year, I've seen Mark-IIIs listed there, priced from the
mid-teens (503-powered), to upper-teens (582-powered), and up to the
low-twenties for a few 912-powered ones. Of course, these were asking
prices - who knows what the final sale prices ended up at.
Perusing Barnstormer's will likely give you the best comparable price
references.
Good luck -
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, "Magic Bike"
Cedar Crest, NM
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Sunday breakfast |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast
Thanks, G.
I'd very much like to see the photos of the fairing.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
- John Gaule
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Sunday breakfast |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Hope it helps
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast
Thanks, G.
I'd very much like to see the photos of the fairing.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
- John Gaule
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259679#259679
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Sunday breakfast |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Thom,
Attached,3 at a time
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast
Thanks, G.
I'd very much like to see the photos of the fairing.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
- John Gaule
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259679#259679
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Sunday breakfast |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks again. The photos are a great help.
That fairing sure cleans up that area nicely. Do you suppose the carb inlet is
getting relatively low pressure air aft of the fairing? I know Bing says not to
subject the air inlet to high ram air pressure, presumably due to its potential
affect on automatic mixture control.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259785#259785
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
Subject: | Re: Gang Mentality, And A Few driving many away from Kolb |
List
Mike
Please grow up. And shut up.
HAVE SOME FEAR! -- if you're flying so fast you scare yourself, maybe
you're just showing off.
On Aug 26, 2009, at 2:27 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> Jim Hauck,
>
> Out of respect for your brother John H, who is one of the finest
> people I have ever met, I have never disrespected you in any way.
> Your above post was way out of line and uncalled for.
>
> Don't even try to excuse your post because you " just want this to
> stop, " because you have ignored much worse posts from all the
> others over the past few days, and not said a word. Double
> standards, and jumping in with the gang don't do much for your
> credibility. You may feel you are " IN " with the little gang
> now, comfortable that your little friends are backing you up, but
> you know better.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259756#259756
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Sunday breakfast |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Thom.
?I don't even want to think about pressure problems.It's bad enough I have to twist
the Bing 20 degrees to even up the EGT's.Took a week of sorting it out at
first,but all is good now.1390-1400egt 290 cht. I'm afraid to touch it again.
?G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:29 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast
Thanks again. The photos are a great help.
That fairing sure cleans up that area nicely. Do you suppose the carb inlet is
getting relatively low pressure air aft of the fairing? I know Bing says not to
subject the air inlet to high ram air pressure, presumably due to its potential
affect on automatic mixture control.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
- John Gaule
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259785#259785
Thom'
I don't
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: First Flight follow-up, |
At 03:06 PM 8/26/2009, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>My Firestar with the hoerner modified tips will pick up a wing with
>rudder only. On my Mark II will not, But The Mark II does have a
>noticeably quicker aileron roll response, I believe primarily because
>the cg is closer to the center of the wing's roll axis.
That makes sense. The slanted underside of he Hoerner tips probably gives
a little dihedral effect, and it's dihedral (which stock Kolbs have little
or none of) that's necessary for rudder to induce roll.
-Dana
--
Lie ? Me ? Never! No, no, no, the truth is far too much fun!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Firestar questions |
At 07:17 AM 8/26/2009, frank.goodnight wrote:
>I had a heavy wing on my firestar , and after talking to kolb and
>Bryan Melborn a fix is to weld up the hole and reposition it up or
>down in the wing tab. Doing this changes the angle of atack of the wing.
>
>It {MAY} be that if you fly the plane you'll find that the hole is
>where it should be for that particular A/C.
That may well be, but as it is the hole in the fuselage side is so
oversized, and so close to the edge (and not even straight!), that I
wouldn't want to fly it. I think the best thing is to weld up and redrill
the holes in the fuselage fittings, then fly it, and then weld and redrill
the hole in the wing tab (where there's a lot more room for adjustment) if
necessary.
-Dana
--
Most politicians aren't crooks, but the ones that are sure are making the
other 10 percent look bad.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Pat'
?Can't be that difficult .We have people over here whose brain shuts down when
their mouths open.Could use the same technology on their cell phones I'd think.Just
a thought,no offense.....
?? G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Filter Failure
?
You forgot to mention the cell phone...Mike...unbelievable the number?
of idiots on the road with them stuck in their ears while driving..?
?
Hi Herb,?
Is driving while using the phone illegal in the US??
It is here, but it doesn`t seem to make much difference. I don`t believe
that the `hands free` system should be allowed either. No matter how easy it
is supposed to be, it IS distracting. Fancy being killed just because some
guy is so important that he must be in constant touch.?
?
Cant be very difficult to design a phone that shuts down when the ignition
is turned on.?
?
Cheers?
?
Pat ?
?
?
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Sunday breakfast |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
At Rotax classes I even asked Eric Tucker about my idea to put ram air into
the carb throat and vent the float bowl to static pressure. Nope, can't do
that either. Unfortunately we went to lunch about then and I never got to
follow up and ask why it wouldn't work. It seems you can't have pressure
compensation and screw around with the pressure.While it's a bit more
radical, Zenith makes carbs for Harleys that have an adjustable main jet.
Now you're just talking some kind of mechanical linkage to hook it up.
Just a thought.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:20 PM, wrote:
> Thom.
> I don't even want to think about pressure problems.It's bad enough I have
> to twist the Bing 20 degrees to even up the EGT's.Took a week of sorting it
> out at first,but all is good now.1390-1400egt 290 cht. I'm afraid to touch
> it again.
> G.Aman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:29 pm
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sunday breakfast
>
>
> Thanks again. The photos are a great help.
>
>
> That fairing sure cleans up that area nicely. Do you suppose the carb inlet is
>
> getting relatively low pressure air aft of the fairing? I know Bing says not
to
>
> subject the air inlet to high ram air pressure, presumably due to its potential
>
> affect on automatic mixture control.
>
>
> --------
>
> Thom Riddle
>
> Buffalo, NY
>
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
>
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
>
> Tennessee Prop 64x34
>
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
>
> system that works.
>
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259785#259785
>
>
> Thom'
> I don't
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Richard/Gang:
Took the liberty to change the subject line to reflect what you all are
talking about. If we do that, when it comes time to search the Kolb
List Archives for information, maybe we can find what we are looking
for.
I assume you are talking about 912 carbs. These carbs operate on two
static port sensors, one is the float chamber vent and the other is a
port in the lip of the carb. These two ports compare static pressure
and assist in positioning the piston in the vacuum chamber. I use air
filter covers with the float chamber vent tube stuck in between the
cover and the filter. Works pretty good.
If you have ram air impacting that port in the carb lip, it probably
will upset the ability to read and compare static pressure correctly.
That's the way I understand it.
john h
mkIII
At Rotax classes I even asked Eric Tucker about my idea to put ram air
into the carb throat and vent the float bowl to static pressure. Nope,
can't do that either.
Rick Girard
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Warp props and Rotax 582 |
I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For those of
you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty of clearance?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Mark Rinehart
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
There are several ram air motorcycles with carbs that act the same way as the Bings
on the 912.
In the motorcycle world they are called Constant Velocity carbs (CV)
Velocity in the venturi creates low pressure, there is a hole in the bottom of
the slide (Piston) The low pressure lifts the slide against a spring pushing it
down.
Here is the basics of the system.
The venturi and float bowls are both pressurized.
The fuel system normally uses a pump
One system pressurizes the fuel tank and then a throttles position sensor activates
a solenoid to relieve tank pressure when the throttle is closed
Neatest systems I have seen have the whole carb in the airbox.
The power increase is not likely to be noticeable at 70 mph or so.
You are unlikely to see positive pressure at the speed we fly at but less negative
pressure still does the trick.
Some drag race motorcycles (not sure of the class) use data acquisition and monitor
Intake absolute Pressure. Not much happening till the speed gets pretty high.
Really only makes a difference at high speed high throttle opening.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259869#259869
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Warp props and Rotax 582 |
From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
Mark
I don't have an extension on my prop and I have a MK3 Classic with a warp drive
prop
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:14 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582
I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For those of
you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty of clearance?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Mark Rinehart
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Gary" <kolber2(at)atcyber.net> |
Subject: | Warp props and Rotax 582 |
Mark,
I also have a Mark IIIc with Warp Drive (3 bladed). It has a 582 with B
gearbox and no extension. Clearance has not been a problem.
Gary Siegrist
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder
Jr
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582
Mark
I don't have an extension on my prop and I have a MK3 Classic with a warp
drive prop
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:14 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582
I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For
those of
you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty of
clearance?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Mark Rinehart
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Gary" <kolber2(at)atcyber.net> |
Subject: | Warp props and Rotax 582 |
Mark,
I also have a Mark IIIc with Warp Drive (3 bladed). It has a 582 with B
gearbox and no extension. Clearance has not been a problem.
Gary Siegrist
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder
Jr
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582
Mark
I don't have an extension on my prop and I have a MK3 Classic with a warp
drive prop
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:14 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582
I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For
those of
you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty of
clearance?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Mark Rinehart
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Subject: | Re: Warp props and Rotax 582 |
I have a 66 inch warp on my Firestar mounted on an HKS motor. I first
used it without an extension, I can't remember how many hours, but the
drumming from the prop ended up cracking the Poly fiber paint on the
right wing. Little spider cracks. Granted the fabric is not quite as
tight as it could have been, but I put an extension on it and the
reduction in noise was worth it. There was enough clearance and the wrap
is stiff enough you aren't going to have any trouble, but If you have
one handy, I personally would put it on.
Larry C
----- Original Message -----
From: mark rinehart
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:14 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Warp props and Rotax 582
I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582.
For those of you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have
plenty of clearance? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Mark Rinehart
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
08/26/09 12:16:00
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
My early experimentation with the suzuki included attempts to make a
mikuni CV carb work with it.
I spent too much time with poor results. I tried to educate myself
and varied as many elements as I could
but gave up and stuck the solex on. Too bad, it was (and still is) a
nice looking and lightweight contraption.
I never thought about fuel pressure requirements. ??????
BB
On 26, Aug 2009, at 10:04 PM, dalewhelan wrote:
>
>
> There are several ram air motorcycles with carbs that act the same
> way as the Bings on the 912.
> In the motorcycle world they are called Constant Velocity carbs (CV)
> Velocity in the venturi creates low pressure, there is a hole in
> the bottom of the slide (Piston) The low pressure lifts the slide
> against a spring pushing it down.
> Here is the basics of the system.
> The venturi and float bowls are both pressurized.
> The fuel system normally uses a pump
> One system pressurizes the fuel tank and then a throttles position
> sensor activates a solenoid to relieve tank pressure when the
> throttle is closed
> Neatest systems I have seen have the whole carb in the airbox.
> The power increase is not likely to be noticeable at 70 mph or so.
> You are unlikely to see positive pressure at the speed we fly at
> but less negative pressure still does the trick.
> Some drag race motorcycles (not sure of the class) use data
> acquisition and monitor Intake absolute Pressure. Not much
> happening till the speed gets pretty high.
> Really only makes a difference at high speed high throttle opening.
>
> --------
> Dale Whelan
> 503 powered Firestar II
> Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259869#259869
>
>
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From: | "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com> |
Where did you get that fairing at the wing fuselage junction?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259906#259906
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Failure |
BTW, despite what you may think, I consider this an endearing quality
and
memorable experience, so there's no disrespect at all!>
Hi Robert,
We like it. Incidentally New Zealand has no motorways at all. No wonder
I like that country.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
I was told that the source of these fairings went away.It was installed before
I purchased the Mark- 3.Next rainy day I will search the paperwork I got with
the plane for evidence of the source.This 1999 kit languished in California for
4 or 5 years before coming to Ohio for completion.I suspect some of these fairings
were found or made there in the late 90's or early 2000's
-----Original Message-----
From: albertakolbmk3 <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 1:39 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fwd: Photo
Where did you get that fairing at the wing fuselage junction?
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
The last time you Brits brokered a peace we ended up in WWII, so put the
peace hat back in the closet:)>>
Hi Jim,
neat but a trifle unfair.. You sound as if you are getting to enjoy it!
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Jim Hauck" <jimh474(at)embarqmail.com> |
Pat and all;
Nope, don't enjoy urinating contest at all. Waste of time and energy.
Have a good one.
Jim H
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Dear Kolb gang,
I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-joint has some
play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the castle nut that's inside
the joint enough to take out the play? I've got one that is nice & firm with
no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that
way since I've owned the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed
the leading edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit
of space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is mounted to
which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening that nut down some solves
the problem, just want some confirmation please.
By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now, plenty of power.
Thanks,
Jimmy Y
FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Jimmy,
The joint should not have any play in it, but it should not be tight either. If
the castle nut is tightened to much, it will put undue stress or even break
something when you twist the wing. The assembly needs to rotate freely under
the castle nut, with the minimum play possible.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259974#259974
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
Hi Jimmy,
My u joints were the same, I simply snugged it them down until they
had no slop, but would still move. Of course while you are there, be
sure to check every thing and make sure that it meets the safety
requirements. My plane was built by someone else as well, and I think
he just didn't get it tightened as tight as he should have or there was
a burr or something on it.
It looks as though you are taking advantage of the new engine to make up
for lost time. Good for you! I just turned 500 hours on my 94 Firestar
this morning.
Larry C
----- Original Message -----
From: Jimmy Young
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:20 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Wing U-joint
Dear Kolb gang,
I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the
U-joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the
castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've got
one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of
slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned the plane, but
just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading edge near the root
rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of space between the back
of the U-joint and the square tube it is mounted to which is causing the
play, so I'm assuming tightening that nut down some solves the problem,
just want some confirmation please.
By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now,
plenty of power.
Thanks,
Jimmy Y
FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
08/27/09 08:11:00
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
>I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-joint
has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the castle nut
that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've got one that is
nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of slop in it. I
believe it's been that way since I've owned the plane, but just noticed it
this week when I grabbed the leading edge near the root rib and shook the
wing a bit. There is a bit of space between the back of the U-joint and the
square tube it is mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming
tightening that nut down some solves the problem, just want some
confirmation please.
>
Jimmy,
I removed all play from the U-joints by drilling out the holes and bushing
them to get good bearing surfaces for the pins/bolts. To take the slop out
of the hole for the cage swivel bolt, I shimmed the bolt to fit the hole and
then used a couple of greased "O"rings as compression springs and a washer,
so that I could tighten the nut and put the whole joint in compression.
With this scheme one does not have to loosen the nut to fold the wings in
order to get rid of all slop in the joint. How it was done can be seen at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly128.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote:
>
>
> UL-plane 6 60% 20% 70% 42% by retrofit
> estimate rectangular wing
>
> By the way, this is just not theory, aircraft are flying using this technology.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
Very good post Jack, and exactly what I have been saying about wingtips in this
thread all along. This also proves another point, that Richard Pike, Rick Gerard,
and a couple others are so desperate to settle an old score and discredit
anything that I post, that they will mislead everyone, and try to suppress
good information in order to advance their own personal agenda. These people
that instigated this whole episode and those that jumped on the bandwagon of
joining in on a bash fest over good and true information are nothing but a disservice
to the Kolb community.
Even though these guys are under the illusion that misleading this group, and posting
bad information is OK as long as their little gang supports them, most
people do come here for good information and ways to improve their Kolbs. I think
most readers will think twice before listening to Richard Pike, and a couple
of the others for aviation advice.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
Jimmy
Yes tighten the nut down enough to take the slop out. The problem may be
that the next hole in the castle nut may be too tight to allow the joint to
rotate for folding. Find some thin washers. Use the thin washer/s between
the nut and U-joint to get the U-joint snug but loose enough to rotate.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:20 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Wing U-joint
>
> Dear Kolb gang,
>
>
> I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-joint
> has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the castle nut
> that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've got one that is
> nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of slop in it. I
> believe it's been that way since I've owned the plane, but just noticed it
> this week when I grabbed the leading edge near the root rib and shook the
> wing a bit. There is a bit of space between the back of the U-joint and
> the square tube it is mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm
> assuming tightening that nut down some solves the problem, just want some
> confirmation please.
>
> By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now, plenty
> of power.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jimmy Y
> FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS
>
> --------
> Jimmy Young
> FS II, HKS 700
> N7043P
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Workin on my firestar |
From: | "Kirkds" <kirkds(at)dishmail.net> |
Been working on my firestar. Finally got the airspeed to read accurately thanks
to Mr. Pikes idea of mounting the static and pitot as suggested on his website.
Thanks! Also found that the supposed glass inline fuel filters that were discussed
on another thread aren't all glass. The one I got from a leading aircraft
parts supplier advertised as glass was some kind of plastic and it warped
apparently from the fuel. Was testing the system with the electric pump and fuel
began spurting out the filter where the clear plastic meets the gasket. Took
it off and apart and found the supposed glass was plastic and it is deformed
from the fuel. I'm fortunate that I discovered it on the ground and not in the
air. Whew!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259996#259996
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From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
Hi Jim,
My Firestar has very loose hinge joints, If i tighten the nut up more
one more cotter key hole it makes the assy too tight and I can't fold
the wings without tearing something up. I've thought about making
some brass shims.as I fold every time I fly. All that slack can't be
good for the bolt or fitting. Glad you brought it to mind I'll have to
move fixing it to the top of my To Do List . If I didn't have to fold
I would just tighten
the nut, shimming as necessary.
Glad to hear your HKS is doing good. Mine has over 80 almost trouble
free hrs.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar2
HKS
Brownsville, TX
On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Jimmy Young wrote:
>
> Dear Kolb gang,
>
>
> I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-
> joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the
> castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've
> got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe
> 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned
> the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading
> edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of
> space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is
> mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening
> that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation
> please.
>
> By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now,
> plenty of power.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jimmy Y
> FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS
>
> --------
> Jimmy Young
> FS II, HKS 700
> N7043P
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
> Yes tighten the nut down enough to take the slop out. The problem may be
> that the next hole in the castle nut may be too tight to allow the joint
> to rotate for folding. Find some thin washers. Use the thin washer/s
> between the nut and U-joint to get the U-joint snug but loose enough to
> rotate.
>
> Rick Neilsen
Jimmy Y/Gang:
You can get AN washers the normal thickness, 1/16" and thin ones, 1/32".
That will help get the slop out.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
Frank
Pull the nut and grind its back side in a trial and error manner
til you get the desired result...Herb
At 02:16 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>My Firestar has very loose hinge joints, If i tighten the nut up more
>one more cotter key hole it makes the assy too tight and I can't fold
>the wings without tearing something up. I've thought about making
>some brass shims.as I fold every time I fly. All that slack can't be
>good for the bolt or fitting. Glad you brought it to mind I'll have to
>move fixing it to the top of my To Do List . If I didn't have to fold
>I would just tighten
>the nut, shimming as necessary.
>Glad to hear your HKS is doing good. Mine has over 80 almost trouble
>free hrs.
>
>Frank Goodnight
>Firestar2
>HKS
>Brownsville, TX
>On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Jimmy Young wrote:
>
>>
>>Dear Kolb gang,
>>
>>
>>I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the
>>U- joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the
>>castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've
>>got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe
>>3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned
>>the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading
>>edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of
>>space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is
>>mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening
>>that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation
>>please.
>>
>>By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now,
>>plenty of power.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jimmy Y
>>FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS
>>
>>--------
>>Jimmy Young
>>FS II, HKS 700
>>N7043P
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>08/27/09 08:11:00
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
Hi Herb,
I think thats a better idea than making shims , easier anyway . Thanks
for your input.
Frank Goodnight
On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Herb wrote:
>
> Frank
>
> Pull the nut and grind its back side in a trial and error manner
> til you get the desired result...Herb
>
>
> At 02:16 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> My Firestar has very loose hinge joints, If i tighten the nut up more
>> one more cotter key hole it makes the assy too tight and I can't fold
>> the wings without tearing something up. I've thought about making
>> some brass shims.as I fold every time I fly. All that slack can't be
>> good for the bolt or fitting. Glad you brought it to mind I'll have
>> to
>> move fixing it to the top of my To Do List . If I didn't have to fold
>> I would just tighten
>> the nut, shimming as necessary.
>> Glad to hear your HKS is doing good. Mine has over 80 almost trouble
>> free hrs.
>>
>> Frank Goodnight
>> Firestar2
>> HKS
>> Brownsville, TX
>> On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Jimmy Young wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Kolb gang,
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the
>>> U- joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten
>>> the
>>> castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've
>>> got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe
>>> 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned
>>> the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading
>>> edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of
>>> space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is
>>> mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening
>>> that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation
>>> please.
>>>
>>> By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now,
>>> plenty of power.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jimmy Y
>>> FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Jimmy Young
>>> FS II, HKS 700
>>> N7043P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> 08/27/09 08:11:00
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
> Pull the nut and grind its back side in a trial and error manner
> til you get the desired result...Herb
Might work for Herb, but not for me.
Like I mentioned earlier today, there are thick, 1/16" washers and thin,
1/32" washers, AN type available to do the job.
I'll use washers the get the correct fit, before grinding off the protective
cad plating on the nut.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Workin on my firestar |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
The way fuels have changed over the last 10 years or so, has put the load of testing
components squarely on the shoulders of the pilot.The slosh compound we
used to seal our tanks years ago cannot resist the chemicals like toluene ,ethanol.hexane
and benzene You would not believe the head aches that has caused
for the guys with molded in, fiberglass tanks.Look up the msds for unleaded fuel.The
safest way probably is to stick with avfuel.But If I was looking for a
filter I would use one that has a record of success with the type of fuel I intended
to use.I can't see a problem using an automotive filter from NAPA if I
was using unleaded auto fuel.I know a lot of the guys have had no problem with
those small glass filters but I like those 3" long 2" dia. clear plastic inline
numbers,probably because I'm frugal, plus I can see whats in it
? G.Aman MK-3C 470hrs, 282hrs.on a NAPA inline
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirkds <kirkds(at)dishmail.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 2:21 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Workin on my firestar
Been working on my firestar. Finally got the airspeed to read accurately thanks
to Mr. Pikes idea of mounting the static and pitot as suggested on his website.
Thanks! Also found that the supposed glass inline fuel filters that were
discussed on another thread aren't all glass. The one I got from a leading
aircraft parts supplier advertised as glass was some kind of plastic and it
warped apparently from the fuel. Was testing the system with the electric pump
and fuel began spurting out the filter where the clear plastic meets the gasket.
Took it off and apart and found the supposed glass was plastic and it is
deformed from the fuel. I'm fortunate that I discovered it on the ground and not
in the air. Whew!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259996#259996
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
That is the best remedy. I have an aluminum spacer in one of my
joints to adjust sweep in that wing to match the other.
I smear never-seize on the whole mess and have zero wear so far.
BB
On 27, Aug 2009, at 4:24 PM, Herb wrote:
>
> Frank
>
> Pull the nut and grind its back side in a trial and error manner
> til you get the desired result...Herb
>
>
> At 02:16 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> My Firestar has very loose hinge joints, If i tighten the nut up more
>> one more cotter key hole it makes the assy too tight and I can't fold
>> the wings without tearing something up. I've thought about making
>> some brass shims.as I fold every time I fly. All that slack can't be
>> good for the bolt or fitting. Glad you brought it to mind I'll
>> have to
>> move fixing it to the top of my To Do List . If I didn't have to fold
>> I would just tighten
>> the nut, shimming as necessary.
>> Glad to hear your HKS is doing good. Mine has over 80 almost trouble
>> free hrs.
>>
>> Frank Goodnight
>> Firestar2
>> HKS
>> Brownsville, TX
>> On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Jimmy Young wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Kolb gang,
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the
>>> U- joint has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply
>>> tighten the
>>> castle nut that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've
>>> got one that is nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe
>>> 3/16" of slop in it. I believe it's been that way since I've owned
>>> the plane, but just noticed it this week when I grabbed the leading
>>> edge near the root rib and shook the wing a bit. There is a bit of
>>> space between the back of the U-joint and the square tube it is
>>> mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming tightening
>>> that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation
>>> please.
>>>
>>> By the way, the HKS is running great, got about 22 hrs on it now,
>>> plenty of power.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jimmy Y
>>> FS II, 355 hrs AF, 22 hrs on HKS
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Jimmy Young
>>> FS II, HKS 700
>>> N7043P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259960#259960
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> 08/27/09 08:11:00
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
>I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-joint
has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the castle nut
that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've got one that is
nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of slop in it. I
believe it's been that way since I've owned the plane, but just noticed it
this week when I grabbed the leading edge near the root rib and shook the
wing a bit. There is a bit of space between the back of the U-joint and the
square tube it is mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming
tightening that nut down some solves the problem, just want some
confirmation please.
>
Jimmy,
I removed all play from the U-joints by drilling out the holes and bushing
them to get good bearing surfaces for the pins/bolts. To take the slop out
of the hole for the cage swivel bolt, I shimmed the bolt to fit the hole and
then used a couple of greased "O"rings as compression springs and a washer,
so that I could tighten the nut and put the whole joint in compression.
With this scheme one does not have to loosen the nut to fold the wings in
order to get rid of all slop in the joint. How it was done can be seen at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly128.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Gang Mentality, And A Few driving many away from Kolb List |
From: | "geoffthis" <geoffthis(at)charter.net> |
JetPilot/Mike and Kolb List regulars,
My name is Geoff Thistlethwaite and have been receiving (in digest form)and reading
this list for quite some years...some of you long time listers may remember
my questions to the list way back when I was building my Firestar II circa
1996 to 99...
I rarely post as there are those that usually get an answer posted before I do.
Before I write what I'm about to I'd like to first thank ALL who post here on a
continuing basis...you folks have over the years made this list informative and
fun for me to read.
Please take what I'm about to write as constructive criticism.
JetPilot/Mike, you have provided very much good and educational info on this forum,
I'm glad you do post here and I hope you don't leave.
However, there is a tendency on your part to have a "chip on your shoulder" attitude.
You seem to take anything less than total agreement with whatever you post
very personally. If, for instance, someone doesn't buy and install the same
type of fuel filter on their aircraft as you have recommended then that is their
decision to make. It only throws fuel on the fire when you berate them for
not following your advice. Perhaps before hitting send you should take a good
look at whatever you have written and check to see that it passes the John
Hauk "system" of posting - ie "This is how and why I did/would do it but you should
make your own decision on what you want to do with your aircraft"
As to the other members of the list that seem to be unable to let almost any of
JetPilot/Mike's comments/advice pass without "jumping into the fray" I gotta
say JetPilot/Mike is right that this is a dis-service to the rest of us on the
list. If you disagree, fine, state your factual reasons for disagreement and
leave it at that. Personal insults do the rest of us no good. I have left several
other lists, both aviation and pro-audio, because the bickering became so
prevalent that the good info gets lost in the signal-to-noise ratio. I'd hate
for that to happen to this good source of info/entertainment on wonderful aircraft.
Thanks for your attention,
Geoff Thistlethwaite
Firestar II (in rebuild, soon)
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From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
I was mindful , when I suggested that the bolt could ground , that
the washer could also be ground...belt sander works well... that
said...I also know that the cadmium plating on the drag spar attach
bolt ,u joint assy, likely has been diminished by melting when the
bolt was welded to the square tube cross member... Likely some lube
is in order... :-)
Welding a cadmium plated anything is hazardous...It melts at about
600 deg. F.. just about as bad as Berillum if inhaled... Herb
At 03:56 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
>
>
> > Pull the nut and grind its back side in a trial and error manner
>>til you get the desired result...Herb
>
>
>Might work for Herb, but not for me.
>
>Like I mentioned earlier today, there are thick, 1/16" washers and
>thin, 1/32" washers, AN type available to do the job.
>
>I'll use washers the get the correct fit, before grinding off the
>protective cad plating on the nut.
>
>john h
>mkIII
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>08/27/09 08:11:00
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From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:22:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jdy100(at)comcast.net writes:
I've got a question about my rear wing U-joint connection. If the U-joint
has some play in it, is the correct fix to simply tighten the castle nut
that's inside the joint enough to take out the play? I've got one that is
nice & firm with no play, and the other has maybe 3/16" of slop in it. I
believe it's been that way since I've owned the plane, but just noticed it this
week when I grabbed the leading edge near the root rib and shook the wing a
bit. There is a bit of space between the back of the U-joint and the square
tube it is mounted to which is causing the play, so I'm assuming
tightening that nut down some solves the problem, just want some confirmation
please.
Jimmy,
Here is my experience with the U-joints:
On my plans & instructions, it called for the castle nut to be tightened
up just enough to allow the fitting to rotate when folding the wings, then
install a cotter pin. But as others have mentioned, the cotter hole does
not always line up, so I had to back off on the nut some, which allowed some
slight slop, although not enough to cause any harm. A buddy of mine had an
idea to use a self locking nut, instead of the castle nut and cotter pin,
and we both installed those type nuts on our FireStars. We fold/unfold our
wings every time we fly and the self locking nut does not loosen.
On one of my U-joints, the large hole which fits onto the bolt end was
supplied predrilled, slightly oversize, and that allowed a slight amount of
slop, but again it was not enough to be a problem. The instructions also say
to lube it annually.
Someone mentioned grinding off the back side of the nut, or to use
different thickness washers to get a better fit so the cotter pin will fit into
the hole with the nut at the tightness desired.
I have used both of these ideas to remove play from the control fittings.
Sometimes I could not get the desired tightness even when changing
washers. That's when I used the grinding of the nut method. However, rather
than
grinding and getting the nut crooked, I place the nut on a flat file and
slide it back and forth, removing some metal, but keeping it flat. It's
true that it does remove the cadium plating, but then I grease it well and so
far no rust. It doesn't take much metal removal to make the holes line
up. That's how I did it.
Bill Varnes
1994 Original Kolb FireStar
500+ hours
Audubon NJ
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From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
To all you guys who are much better informed in maths and aerodynamics than
I this may be of interest.
I have come across a fairly new search engine called Wolframalpha which
answers question directly rather than ,like Google, offering you a list of
other places to follow.
This engine seems to deal with advanced maths among other things and in the
`tour video` it brushed through Reynolds Numbers and illustrates airflow.
It seems to me that if some of you smart guys can formulate the question
properly we can get a `proper` answer to the effectiveness of reshaped wing
tips, winglets etc.,
Its a fun site too. I discovered that I share a birthday with Caligula. Hows
that for a conversation stopper?
Cheers
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
After pulling my wing, I found my U-joint castle nut was simply not tight enough.
I locked it down, firm but still movable, put a new cotter pin in it, and all
is good with both wings equally solid. Of course I had to go fly it. The only
thing hard was pulling and re-installing the wing by myself without tearing
anything up, but I've learned how to use carpet and barrels as cheap labor.
I'm certain the slop has been in there since I got the plane 2 years ago, as I've
never messed with either U-joint before other than pulling wings.
It was a great evening to fly, fairly light winds and only upper 80's due to some
earlier T-storm activity. I took one pic, NW of Galveston and well-south of
Houston.
Thanks for all the tips and advice -
Jimmy Y
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
At 11:32 PM 8/27/2009, WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:22:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>jdy100(at)comcast.net writes:
>
>I have used both of these ideas to remove play from the control
>fittings. Sometimes I could not get the desired tightness even when
>changing washers. That's when I used the grinding of the nut method...
I'd be more inclined to grind the washer rather than the nut, which could
leave a sharp edge to rub on the bolt. Or make a new washer out of shim stock.
-Dana
--
We wonder why the dogs always drink out of our toilets, but look at it
from their point of view: why do humans keep peeing into their water bowls?
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
At 02:37 AM 8/28/2009, jerb wrote:
>I'm confused regarding these clear screw together filters. In the past I
>have read on more than this list not to use them, stay away from them, to
>as much as your sure to crash and burn more or less. Apparently there are
>different brands and quality.
>
>The question then becomes how to determine which is which. I was totally
>caught off guard and surprised when I read John Hauck was using them...
I believe that John is using an old one that he bought years ago, with he
original more robust center screw.
I'm using one too, on my UltraStar. Mine IS one of the cheap manufacture
later ones. I check it for tightness during my prelight, and it's
supported on both ends with zip ties through short tubing standoffs to the
frame. No trouble so far (~50 hours).
-Dana
--
We wonder why the dogs always drink out of our toilets, but look at it
from their point of view: why do humans keep peeing into their water bowls?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
At 02:37 AM 8/28/2009, jerb wrote:
>I'm confused regarding these clear screw together filters. In the past I
>have read on more than this list not to use them, stay away from them, to
>as much as your sure to crash and burn more or less. Apparently there are
>different brands and quality.
>
>The question then becomes how to determine which is which. I was totally
>caught off guard and surprised when I read John Hauck was using them...
I believe that John is using an old one that he bought years ago, with he
original more robust center screw.
I'm using one too, on my UltraStar. Mine IS one of the cheap manufacture
later ones. I check it for tightness during my prelight, and it's
supported on both ends with zip ties through short tubing standoffs to the
frame. No trouble so far (~50 hours).
-Dana
--
We wonder why the dogs always drink out of our toilets, but look at it
from their point of view: why do humans keep peeing into their water bowls?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
jerb/Gang:
I think my filter is a Purolator. I could be wrong since I bought it in
1984. Used it on all three of my Kolbs.
Removed my glass tube, after it cracked the first night, and replaced
with a similar size piece of 6061 tubing. I think it is .058"X1".
Takes a minute to pull it apart to check the filter. John Williamson
had one he flew with the glass tube, but I feel better with the aluminum
tube. On the other hand, all my antique tractors have glass sediment
bowls. Only time they break is when I drop them on something hard. ;-)
My Kubota tractors use plastic sediment bowls.
I was in Walmart and O'reilly's Auto Parts yesterday. Walmart has the
filter under the Atwood brand name and O'reilly's has theirs under some
unknown name. Walmart's was less than $9.00 with a single element.
O'reilly's had replacement elements, 3 for nearly $5.00.
john h
mkIII
John H, do you have a brand name and source for the ones your using.
jerb
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Subject: | Pain ol South Louisian flying pics |
From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
I do my best to try to fly more than:
1) Type on the computer.
2) Cut grass.
So here are some plain ol South Louisiana flying pics. We have been "blessed"
by some unusually cool August weather here this past week. High has only gotten
to 92!!!!
Cleared things up. So, here are a few Kolb flying pics. Nothing special, just
better than some recent posts. Sorry, that is an opinion, not a proven fact.
Pics are of Mississippi River at St. Francisville, LA. Includes the ferry that
has been used here forever for traffic crossing. There is a picture of a new
span bridge that will eventually replace the ferry. Also a picture of Nauga
Field. Some will notice the changes on the SE end (foreground).
Hope the climate improves on the list too. I monitor another flying list that
is going through similar issues. Have not met a Kolb driver that I didn't like,
face to face.
Have more fun!
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Just what I like,lots of mowed hay fields available for any eventuality.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jimmy Young <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 6:54 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wing U-joint
After pulling my wing, I found my U-joint castle nut was simply not tight
enough. I locked it down, firm but still movable, put a new cotter pin in it,
and all is good with both wings equally solid. Of course I had to go fly it.
The only thing hard was pulling and re-installing the wing by myself without
tearing anything up, but I've learned how to use carpet and barrels as cheap
labor. I'm certain the slop has been in there since I got the plane 2 years ago,
as I've never messed with either U-joint before other than pulling wings.
It was a great evening to fly, fairly light winds and only upper 80's due to
some earlier T-storm activity. I took one pic, NW of Galveston and well-south of
Houston.
Thanks for all the tips and advice -
Jimmy Y
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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Subject: | Re: Pain ol South Louisian flying pics |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
John,
? Nice pictures,one question.How long is Nauga field,tree line to tree line?
-----Original Message-----
From: John Bickham <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 9:29 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Pain ol South Louisian flying pics
I do my best to try to fly more than:
1) Type on the computer.
2) Cut grass.
So here are some plain ol South Louisiana flying pics. We have been "blessed"
by some unusually cool August weather here this past week. High has only gotten
to 92!!!!
Cleared things up. So, here are a few Kolb flying pics. Nothing special, just
better than some recent posts. Sorry, that is an opinion, not a proven fact.
Pics are of Mississippi River at St. Francisville, LA. Includes the ferry that
has been used here forever for traffic crossing. There is a picture of a new
span bridge that will eventually replace the ferry. Also a picture of Nauga
Field. Some will notice the changes on the SE end (foreground).
Hope the climate improves on the list too. I monitor another flying list that
is going through similar issues. Have not met a Kolb driver that I didn't like,
face to face.
Have more fun!
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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