Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-iu
August 28, 2009 - September 05, 2009
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pain ol South Louisian flying pics |
> Pics are of Mississippi River at St. Francisville, LA. Includes the
ferry that has been used here forever for traffic crossing. There is a
picture of a new span bridge that will eventually replace the ferry. Also a
picture of Nauga Field. Some will notice the changes on the SE end
(foreground).
>
> John Bickham
John B:
Understand there are still wires on the south end, but have Tana Balls
installed? How about the north end?
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Below is a link to a website that is primarily about drag reduction using wheel
pants but there is also a section some ways down the page that is a study of
different wing tip designs that some may find interesting.
http://corvairq.info/Wheel%20Pants.htm
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: Plain ol South Louisian flying pics |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> John,
> How long is Nauga field,tree line to tree line?
>
> --
Thanks. Nauga Field is 1550 feet tree line to tree line.
John H is correct. Power lines both ends. Got them marked with Orange balls.
Ronnie M had the south end logged and we cut a gap out on the SE end. Left the
power line exposed. Put the orange balls on so no one would get "surprised".
Didn't need them before. Power lines were at or below the tree lines.
We are accepting donations to get the power line buried on the SE end. [Laughing]
Another pic. If you put on your best reading glasses and squint you can barely
make out the orange balls on the poser lines.
Just a reminder. Third annual Nauga Field Fly-Around is scheduled for December
4th, 5th, and 6th (first weekend in December). As you can see from the picture,
you have to be short field proficient. Not a problem for experienced Kolb
drivers. Two person operation not recommended.
Be safe!
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Kolb Group , free site |
> I would like to turn the ownership over to someone like John or Richard.
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
Mike P/Gang:
I monitor two email lists, this one and a nonaviation list. About all I can
handle.
I am one among many on the Kolb List and intend to keep it that way.
My experience indicates lists do best when they are self-policing and honor
the List Commandments that Matt Dralle post each month and none of us bother
to read. If each of us would read and comprehend these commandments, we
would not have to wade through a lot of unnecessary BS to get to the meat of
the List, which should be building and flying Kolbs, period.....
Thanks, but I'll stick to this List which I have been a member of since I
got my computer in 1998.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | Appreciation for the positive information posted... |
Thanks to all that post positive information on the list. I am building a
MKIII Extra and plan to use the Great Plains VW conversion engine. I have
been greatly helped by the information posted.
Bob
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| Subject: | More numbers, testing continues |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Great morning for flying here on the Great Plains. Took off at 9:00 into a
light north wind, knee board on and ready to start gathering data. Climbed
to 2000' AGL (3300 MSL). OAT 56 degrees F humidity 75%. Started speed runs
to test ASI readings.
RPM IAS
6000 80
5800 78
5600 74
5400 70
5200 67
5000 62
Power off stalls
Vs 1/2 flap 35
Vs full flap 32
Landed and talked to my neighbor about flying the Kolb and the readings I
logged. I was concerned my ASI is still optimistic. He offered the use of
his Garmin 196 and I accepted.
Back up to 2000' AGL. Forgot to record OAT, rats!
RPM IAS GPS Direction via IFR (I follow
roads)
6000 80 98 South
6000 80 54 North Average 76 mph
5400 70 92 South
5400 70 46 North Average 69 mph
Unfortunately I forgot to take my variometer out of the trike so I could get
accurate ROC numbers and the convective activity has picked up by now.
Something to forward to tomorrow.
Rick Girard
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
In a message dated 8/28/2009 7:50:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
d-m-hague(at)comcast.net writes:
I'd be more inclined to grind the washer rather than the nut, which could
leave a sharp edge to rub on the bolt. Or make a new washer out of shim
stock. -Dana
Dana,
That's a good idea. to thin the washer rather than the nut.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
Kolb Listers,
You know, it really amazes me how the posts of one person can get everyone so riled
up. Geezes, its just email. Just delete or ignore the posts of the person
that bothers you. Running off and starting a new list isn't the answer. Anybody
on the this List that posts inflammatory messages in one place is simply
going to do it in another place. Not allowing them to subscribe and moderating
this list or some other new list are just bogus, over reactions to the situation.
I haven't weighed in on this discussion until now because I am so displeased with
all of the childish behavior of late. Starting a new list is just more childish
behavior in my opinion.
Would you guys be happier if I read over each and every email message posted and
decided whether it could possibly offend anyone and the decide to forward it
to the List or not based on my person decision? Really? How egotistical and
presumptuous of me that would be.
Should I have just banned everyone that made a comment on this thread? That wouldn't
have left very many people on the forum.
We don't need to fracture the content across multiple Lists. That serves nobody
well. Let's just grow up and have adult conversations and put all this he-said,
she-said BS to bed.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
Matt , WELL PUT AND I AGREE =0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pi
lot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________
_______________=0AFrom: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@
matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:12:44 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-Li
st: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...=0A=0A--> Kolb-List mess
age posted by: Matt Dralle =0A=0AKolb Listers,=0A=0AY
ou know, it really amazes me how the posts of one person can get everyone s
o riled up.- Geezes, its just email.- Just delete or ignore the posts o
f the person that bothers you.- Running off and starting a new list isn't
the answer.- Anybody on the this List that posts inflammatory messages i
n one place is simply going to do it in another place.- Not allowing them
to subscribe and moderating this list or some other new list are just bogu
s, over reactions to the situation.- =0A=0AI haven't weighed in on this d
iscussion until now because I am so displeased with all of the childish beh
avior of late.- Starting a new list is just more childish behavior in my
opinion.- =0A=0AWould you guys be happier if I read over each and every e
mail message posted and decided whether it could possibly offend anyone and
the decide to forward it to the List or not based on my person decision?
- Really?- How egotistical and presumptuous of me that would be.- =0A
=0AShould I have just banned everyone that made a comment on this thread?
- That wouldn't have left very many people on the forum.- =0A=0AWe don'
t need to fracture the content across multiple Lists.- That serves nobody
well.- Let's just grow up and have adult conversations and put all this
he-said, she-said BS to bed.=0A=0AMatt Dralle=0AMatronics Email List Admini
==================0A=0A=0A
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| From: | russ kinne <russ(at)rkiphoto.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
Matt, well said.
VERY well said.
Thanx
Russ K
On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Kolb Listers,
>
> You know, it really amazes me how the posts of one person can get
> everyone so riled up. Geezes, its just email. Just delete or
> ignore the posts of the person that bothers you. Running off and
> starting a new list isn't the answer. Anybody on the this List
> that posts inflammatory messages in one place is simply going to do
> it in another place. Not allowing them to subscribe and moderating
> this list or some other new list are just bogus, over reactions to
> the situation.
>
> I haven't weighed in on this discussion until now because I am so
> displeased with all of the childish behavior of late. Starting a
> new list is just more childish behavior in my opinion.
>
> Would you guys be happier if I read over each and every email
> message posted and decided whether it could possibly offend anyone
> and the decide to forward it to the List or not based on my person
> decision? Really? How egotistical and presumptuous of me that
> would be.
>
> Should I have just banned everyone that made a comment on this
> thread? That wouldn't have left very many people on the forum.
>
> We don't need to fracture the content across multiple Lists. That
> serves nobody well. Let's just grow up and have adult
> conversations and put all this he-said, she-said BS to bed.
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing U-joint |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I had the same problem, the castle nut was either too loose or too tight from one
cotter pin detent to the next. John H advice is the best to use the thinner
washers as needed, but I did not have any of John H non standard thickness
washers, so I ground down a washer until it was perfect. I figured if I ruined
a washer, no harm done, just get another one and try again.
Don't forget to grease that fitting in all exposed metal and everywhere it moves.
This way you can have a tighter fitting, less play, without binding. It also
protects the threads, and everything in there from corrosion.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Kolb Group , free site |
I see no need for a new group... it just splits up the useful information
and will in the end have the same occasional issues with a few
individuals. And although I also belong to a number of yahoo groups, it's
MUCH easier to find information in the archives of this group.
Now, let's drop this tiresome subject and talk about something new and
non-controversial. I hear there's this stuff called Seafoam you put in
your engine, what do y'all think? :)
-Dana
--
Access denied--nah nah na nah nah!
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| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Matt,
You have been a very good list administrator for many years, which is a major reason
Matronics forums has been so successful. I apologize to have been involved
in something that has made your job harder than it needs to be. Matt spends
a lot of his personal time maintaining a pretty complex and large list so that
people like us can benefit, I everyone on this list can now honor what Matt
asks of us. I have a pretty short memory when it comes to these petty differences.
If we can put all this behind us I for one will not be looking for a
problem with anyone here. This will require the cooperation of all our members
here to have a lasting effect.
The last thing we want to do is to splinter the Kolb group. We are to small already...
We have a great place here where everyone can get good information on
their Kolbs, to splinter the group would only take away from that.
Matt, the Kolb group is much more resilient than you think, its not going to be
broken apart. This is a great list, it works well, and with Matts very competent
guidance it will prosper for a long time to come.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
Wow, Pretty bold & needed comment.
In my opinion, an apology to each member would go a long way, in addition to
the apology to Matt.
Jim Kmet
Mk-3C
Cookeville, TN
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List...
>
> Matt,
>
> You have been a very good list administrator for many years, which is a
> major reason Matronics forums has been so successful. I apologize to have
> been involved in something that has made your job harder than it needs to
> be. Matt spends a lot of his personal time maintaining a pretty complex
> and large list so that people like us can benefit, I everyone on this list
> can now honor what Matt asks of us. I have a pretty short memory when it
> comes to these petty differences. If we can put all this behind us I for
> one will not be looking for a problem with anyone here. This will
> require the cooperation of all our members here to have a lasting effect.
>
> The last thing we want to do is to splinter the Kolb group. We are to
> small already... We have a great place here where everyone can get good
> information on their Kolbs, to splinter the group would only take away
> from that.
>
> Matt, the Kolb group is much more resilient than you think, its not going
> to be broken apart. This is a great list, it works well, and with Matts
> very competent guidance it will prosper for a long time to come.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260289#260289
>
>
>
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
At 10:33 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
>These appear to be the real deal, although I haven't bought one to
>make sure. $12.95 includes 3 extra filters and gaskets and free
>shipping. Worth a look if you're in need of a fuel filter.
If you use these, it's best to safety wire the inside
tube to keep the round "nut" from vibrating loose,
backing out and covering the inlet hole to the right.
There was an advisory out years ago & I've seen it happen.
There are also cheap imitations out there that look
just like the good ones.
I still use this kind of filter, as long as the "O-rings" are
fresh & you don't crank it down, it seems to work fine.
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| From: | Blumax008(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
I haven't left yet but will...I just wanted to leave you all with this
final fact. Did any of you ever notice that when I post an opinion...such as
why let everyone think this sport has to be so expensive when it doesn't have
to be...well, has anyone ever noticed that I never respond to any redicule
from my original post?
I don't respond because I believe that everyone has an opinion...with me or
against me. It's their right to believe that it's necessary to go out &
buy an 80 or 100 dollar fuel filter when you can buy a perfectly good one for
$3.50...or a totally rediculous 2,000+ dollar BRS that is highly unlikely
they'll ever use.
I've got along just fine for 30+ years & only God knows how many thousands
of hours without spending countless thousands of dollars on BS I'll most
likely never need or use. People reading this list & lists like this one are
thinking..."Hell, I can't afford this sport! It's almost as expensive as
owning an airplane!"
And don't worry...I will "not" be moving to the new list.
Thanks,
Bill Catalina
Tallahassee, FL
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| From: | Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
Got one, Rick. Thanks for the heads up.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hi guys,
Here is one I did this morning....no big deal...just something to watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihzXAs3HTE
chris ambrose
m3x/jab 52 hr+
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
This is really dumb.....When I see the bitching start,I go to another subject...end
of story....why give anyone any fuel....this is the first and last I will
say anything else on this subject....
chris ambrose
m3x/jab
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Infighting and Childish Behavior On The List... |
Bill, as a fellow tightwad, I agree with your outlook. Proof is my
MkIII, bought as two wrecks and then cojoined, walmart garbage can
panel cover,
no parking sign panel, homemade nose cone, engine from an abandoned
car, $10.00 carb, generic dacron, etc.
I didn't mention the negatives though, like the MSD timing retarder
that wouldn't work unless you have MSD ignition, Mikuni carb (cheap
on eBay)
and over $1000 in props. -That part I don't mind, I like props :)
There's still some good guys here.
BB
On 28, Aug 2009, at 8:11 PM, Blumax008(at)aol.com wrote:
> I haven't left yet but will...I just wanted to leave you all with
> this final fact. Did any of you ever notice that when I post an
> opinion...such as why let everyone think this sport has to be so
> expensive when it doesn't have to be...well, has anyone ever
> noticed that I never respond to any redicule from my original post?
>
> I don't respond because I believe that everyone has an
> opinion...with me or against me. It's their right to believe that
> it's necessary to go out & buy an 80 or 100 dollar fuel filter when
> you can buy a perfectly good one for $3.50...or a totally
> rediculous 2,000+ dollar BRS that is highly unlikely they'll ever use.
>
> I've got along just fine for 30+ years & only God knows how many
> thousands of hours without spending countless thousands of dollars
> on BS I'll most likely never need or use. People reading this list
> & lists like this one are thinking..."Hell, I can't afford this
> sport! It's almost as expensive as owning an airplane!"
>
> And don't worry...I will "not" be moving to the new list.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Catalina
> Tallahassee, FL
>
>
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I have yet to watch a Kolb video that I did not like ! There was not a single
thing on TV that beat this tonight, so keep em coming. The different views
around the cockpit and rearward were nice, it really gives one an feeling of what
its like to be in your plane. 80 MPH, thats pretty great, what % power and
GPH was that ? I have to push my MK III Xtra really hard to get 80 MPH.
Does your GPS show your airspeed to be accurate ?
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hi Mike !
Thanks ! The airspeed does seem to be accurate ...at 2700 rpm's with the jabiru
it seems to burn give or take 2.5-3 gph...2900,which is the highest recommended
cruise,IAS is around 92 mph and 3.5-4 gph. Unless I'm going somewhere ,I
usually cruise at 26-2700 rpm.It's real good on fuel at that rpm.Not a nice airplane
to fly in the rain though. Lots of leaks ! LOL At least it stayed off
my face ! lol
chris ambrose
m3x/jab
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| Subject: | Fuel Filter List Clutter |
| From: | "funderp47" <philfunster(at)gmail.com> |
I feel kinda guilty. I replied to Bob Bean (I think) in this thread about his
fuel filter to simply provide differences in construction of the plastic filters.
My post was followed by the 80 dollar MUST use my filter tirade quoting
my post and other threads about filters that seemed to grow into general civil
unrest.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=61345&highlight
I read the very strong reply to my post that was quoted and paid it no more attention
than channel changing through the opinionated word garbage channels on
satellite tv. I think of it as the Jerry Springerization of America.
If some people are as word ugly in person as they appear on these lists, then I
am just happy that I don't have to be around them in daily life.
Retired, flying a non-Kolb out of my pasture, and still enjoying the good stuff
on this list as a lurker for a number of years.
Phil
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Kolb Group , free site |
But the other site will have Builders / Flyers also...and it won't have the
Bickering...>>
Oh yes it will, if the same guys move.
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Isn`t it surprising in view of all the furore aboout the superiority of one
wing tip over another that three top designers designed three different
planes, with different wing tips to do the same job.
Spitfire Elliptical
Hurricane. Round
Me 109 Square
Maybe is isn`t that important after all.
Pat
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
>
>Isn`t it surprising in view of all the furore aboout the superiority of one
>wing tip over another that three top designers designed three different
>planes, with different wing tips to do the same job.
>
>Spitfire Elliptical
>Hurricane. Round
>Me 109 Square
>
>Maybe is isn`t that important after all.
>
>Pat
>
It isn't if you have an excess of power and don't have to pay for the fuel.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter List Clutter |
Phil, we'll pretend all the intermediate stuff never occurred.
I'm using the Walmart Fram see-through and I like it. 1/4" push-on
nipples.
BB
On 29, Aug 2009, at 6:16 AM, funderp47 wrote:
>
> I feel kinda guilty. I replied to Bob Bean (I think) in this
> thread about his fuel filter to simply provide differences in
> construction of the plastic filters. My post was followed by the
> 80 dollar MUST use my filter tirade quoting my post and other
> threads about filters that seemed to grow into general civil unrest.
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=61345&highlight
>
> I read the very strong reply to my post that was quoted and paid it
> no more attention than channel changing through the opinionated
> word garbage channels on satellite tv. I think of it as the Jerry
> Springerization of America.
>
> If some people are as word ugly in person as they appear on these
> lists, then I am just happy that I don't have to be around them in
> daily life.
>
> Retired, flying a non-Kolb out of my pasture, and still enjoying
> the good stuff on this list as a lurker for a number of years.
>
> Phil
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260335#260335
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter List Clutter |
> Phil, we'll pretend all the intermediate stuff never occurred.
> I'm using the Walmart Fram see-through and I like it. 1/4" push-on
> nipples.
> BB
Bob B:
Yep!
I couldn't fly without Walmart.
Still using 25 year old fuel filter technology, but it works.
Flying a 17 year old airplane and it works.
Got three tractors 73 years old, one 72 (the rest are younger than me), and
they still work great.
Seventy year old pilot and he still works, but a little slower.
Miss P'fer, my MKIII, is put up and secured for the next two or three months
while I hit the road West next Monday morning.
Ya'll play purty while I'm gone.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Plain ol South Louisian flying pics |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
John Bickham wrote:
> [i]So here are some plain ol South Louisiana flying pics.
:D Thanks John B. I really enjoyed the pictures. I flew last Sunday over the
Laura S. Walker Lake but forgot my camera. It was fun seeing the boats racing
around.
It's only 9:30 and the heat index is already 86. I'd really like some cooler weather
- please send some my way! Think I'll go fly anyways. It only gives me
half a heart attack now when the thermals kick me around. Guess I'm getting
a little used to it. [Laughing]
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: New Kolb Group , free site |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
planecrazzzy
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 638
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free
site Reply with quote
Hi John,
I can understand what your saying....
I have talked with others , who have started various "specialized"
forums for their "Type" of Kolb Aircraft.... Basically for the same reason...
Because the list "does" need policing.... or at least the threat of it...
I was hoping to get "you" on board... I would have gladly made you the
"owner" of the site.... There are people joining the site....Once I see
someone to take it over... I'll put them as owner....
at least it'll be source of info without the bickering...
Richard ( Old Poop )... I'd like to see you there... I know you'd make a
great Owner/moderator.... and you have the kind of Knowledge this
position would need....
You could still pop in the matronics site if you need a taste of it...
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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Thanks but no thanks. Not interested in reinventing a perfectly good wheel.
This list may have occasional problems, and occasionally I'm one of them, so I
will make a serious effort to work on patience. And now is probably a good time
to apologize to Matt and the list for not having enough.
Let's all take a deep breath and just wait to see what the future holds.
Shalom.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Firestar II vs Slingshot Kolbra |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
I fly a 503 Firestar II
Was wondering if anyone that has flown the three above aircraft would be able to
provide a comparison. Not specs but your experience as to how they fly.
I have only seen Firefly, Firestar, Firestar II, and MKIII Kolb aircraft.
I was wondering if the others are less popular and if so why.
I like flying cross country in my Firestar and am not unhappy with it, I am interested
in finding out what might be better than a Firestar.
Higher speed, greater range, similar landing, climb, fuel economy.
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Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Update on Verner 1400 |
I have taken my VN 1400, to Central FLORDIA Flyers and have met Steve the
owner and as far as I can see he and his operation is first class, I believe
Steve is a excellent craftsman. With a excellent customer service attitude.
The problem of vibrating propeller, propeller damper was remanufactured
with a harder rubber and that stopped the vibration. I am looking forward to
gritting the engine from Steve and the airplane back from Brian at the Kolb
field and getting it ready to fly.
Steve Simmons
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter List Clutter |
=0A=0AJohn, I hope you are taking your computer with you ,It would be kind
of difficult around here without you !- Chris=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503
492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.co
m>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:50:56
AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Filter List Clutter=0A=0A--> Kolb-List me
ssage posted by: "John Hauck" =0A=0A=0A> Phil, we'll
pretend all the intermediate stuff never occurred.=0A> I'm using the Walmar
t Fram see-through and I like it.- 1/4" push-on nipples.=0A> BB=0A=0A=0AB
ob B:=0A=0AYep!=0A=0AI couldn't fly without Walmart.=0A=0AStill using 25 ye
ar old fuel filter technology, but it works.=0A=0AFlying a 17 year old airp
lane and it works.=0A=0AGot three tractors 73 years old, one 72 (the rest a
re younger than me), and they still work great.=0A=0ASeventy year old pilot
and he still works, but a little slower.=0A=0AMiss P'fer, my MKIII, is put
up and secured for the next two or three months while I hit the road West
next Monday morning.=0A=0AYa'll play purty while I'm gone.=0A=0Ajohn h=0Amk
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| From: | Masqqqqqqq(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | powered and unpowered weights |
Here's an odd question:
Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a propeller
turned by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would this machine need to
make the weight of a powered ultralight, 254 pounds, or an unpowered
glider, 155 pounds. ?
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| Subject: | Rotax 912S worth it? |
| From: | "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com> |
For the guys that have made the switch from 582 to 912S, was it worth it? Any noticeable
differences in the way it flies?
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912S worth it? |
> For the guys that have made the switch from 582 to 912S, was it worth it?
Any noticeable differences in the way it flies?
>
Hi Tony/Gang:
I have flown my mkIII with 582, 912UL, and 912ULS.
The switch was worth it.
Yes, there are noticeable differences, primarily in performance increase.
Not much faster in cruise and top speed, but climbs like a home sick angel.
I believe the best all around engine is the 912UL, 80 hp. It operates on
regular unleaded 87 octane fuel, spark plugs go 200 hours.
With a ground adjustable prop, the 912ULS is good for 95 hp at 5500 max
coninuous rpm. The 912UL still puts out close to 80 hp at 5500 max
continuous.
Once you fly with a 912ULS, you won't want to go back.
jhohn h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912S worth it? |
| From: | "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com> |
John,
What are you running for a prop? How much work to convert. From what I can see
in the pictures I've found guys still utilize the single boom setup. Off topic,
I'm converting my tailfeather cables to the same adjustable setup you have.
What size of turnbuckles did you use? Would you have a part number? I ordered
some from aircraft spruce but they seem quite large for what they have to do.
They are rated to 2200 lbs each. The part number from Aircraft Spruce was AN130-22S.
Tony
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912S worth it? |
> What are you running for a prop? How much work to convert. From what I can
> see in the pictures I've found guys still utilize the single boom setup.
> Off topic, I'm converting my tailfeather cables to the same adjustable
> setup you have. What size of turnbuckles did you use? Would you have a
> part number? I ordered some from aircraft spruce but they seem quite large
> for what they have to do. They are rated to 2200 lbs each. The part number
> from Aircraft Spruce was AN130-22S.
>
> Tony
Tony/Gang:
Warp Drive 71", 3 blade, fast taper with nickle steel leading edges, and a
4" prop extension.
Pretty simple to install a 912 on a MKIII. Call Travis at TNK and get him
to send you an installation kit, which utilizes same engine Lord Mounts as
the 582.
I used same turnbuckles as the elevator cables use. I don't know what size
they are. I am not located near my airplane.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912S worth it? |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Tony,
Just to add to what John H said.
I have the 80 hp 912ul. On the trip out west in May, I was flying with 3 others
that had the 912ULS. They had me by by a handful of MPH's. I think I would
run about 5200 RPM and they would be down under 5000 to stay together.
Besides the better climb and just a bit better cruise, they did a lot better at
the higher altitudes during the mountain crossings. They could go a bit higher,
faster. At 10,000 feet I was not climbing very well and having to work to
get back losses from downdrafts.
The other thing I might add as a positive to the 80 hp 912UL, besides operating
on regular gas and the spark plugs lasting longer, is the fuel burn is a little
lower. I averaged right at 4.25 gph for the entire trip. I think John H and
the other 100 hp's were just a bit over 5 gph. John H would have to verify
that.
So I guess it depends on your flying. Alberta is a bit higher than the swamps
of Louisiana ain't it? For down here, the 80 hp is just fine. Just a bit more
economical to operate.
Stats for trip:
http://www.kolbadventures.blogspot.com/
Hope this is helpful.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912S worth it? |
| From: | "R Harris" <kolbdriver(at)whti.net> |
John are you coming thru AR. on this trip? Would like you to look at my plane
if you are. Food is still good and still got a extra bed. I have even mowed the
strip...
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
You've answered your own question, I think."an ultralight that was powered
by a propeller turned by bicycle pedals", powered is powered.
*
*
*Rick
*
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, wrote:
> *Here's an odd question:*
> **
> * Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a propeller
> turned by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would this machine need to
> make the weight of a powered ultralight, 254 pounds, or an unpowered glider,
> 155 pounds. ?*
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
Tony=2C
When I was working on my plane last year=2C I needed some turnbuckles=2C
too. I found an outfit that sells "brand new surplus" turnbuckles for abou
t $7.50 each=2C for the complete assembly=2C instead of $30 from Aircraft S
pruce.
I order plenty of stuff from Aircraft Spruce=2C but these turnbuckles are
the exact same items at 1/4th the cost. They are genuine aircraft hardwar
e=2C identical to the ones that came with my MkIII kit.
I also ordered some other items from these folks=2C like pulleys=2C and A
N nuts & bolts. I tried finding them online=2C and I THINK this is them.
http://www.preferredairparts.com/hardware.htm
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
September 19 Sedona SEZ
Went that last year, nice view, closest I expect to get to a carrier landing.
Been advised against landing on the numbers.
The people were real nice when I flew there last year.
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Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Wasn't the Spit wingtip changed from elliptical to squared-off? For more
efficiency?>>
Hi Russ,
In the B of B all the Spits had eliptical wings. Later Spits did have a
clipped wing. I think that was because dogfighting had moved to much higher
altitudes.
I love the theory that the Me109 had squared wing tips because German hangar
doors were narrower.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
It isn't if you have an excess of power and don't have to pay for the
fuel.>>
Hi Jack,
thats part of it of course but surely each of the designers was striving for
the highest efficiency he could get for other reasons.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a propeller
> turned by bicycle pedals.
It wouldn`t be an ultralight or a glider, but a separate category.
Apart from that fact, someone already has.
It was called the `Gossamer something` (i have forgotten and I am too
busy to look it up. Party for 60 people in about 90 minutes). it was
built as light as possible with an immense wingspan. The power was a
highly trained cyclist taught to fly for the occasion.
He made it from Dover to France, mainly in ground effect and collapsed
exhausted on the beach.
The human body could not generate enough horse power to get an ordinary
ultralight off the ground.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II vs Slingshot Kolbra |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Dale,
I recently purchased a Slingshot and used to own an early Firestar, 2 of them actually.
And I give instruction in a MkIII C w/ 582. I've never flown a FSII or
mk3X, or Kolbra, or Ultrastar or Firefly.
IN MY OPINION:
For low and slow the early Firestar is hard to beat for solo flight.
The MkIIIC is a good and capable airplane for side-by-side flying with a friend.
The Slingshot is a joy to fly if you like quick responsive roll control and relative
comfort in bumpy air but not enough wing for two heavy occupants so I fly
it solo.
Range is function of fuel supply, fuel consumption rate and airspeed. Any experimental
airplane can be made to go further by improving any or all of these factors.
This was probably not worth much but it was cheap.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com> |
Just wondering how relevant comparisons to high performance WWll fighters is to
the Kolb wing. They're flying at 250 kts plus, 3 to 4 times that of the Kolb
(at least). A performance enhancement in those types might not produce any measurable
result in the Kolb even if it does work.
Surely it's more a factor of high wing loading and high speed that the difference's
show significant results. However, I can remember the DC3 with its rounded
wingtip was very heavy on the ailerons. The Basler conversions (where they
put on two PT6 turboprops etc, instead of the P&W 1830 radials) changed the rounded
wingtip shape to a raked design and the aileron control improved a lot (or
so I'm told) but the speed stayed similar (maybe a little faster and probably
due to the higher HP not the wingtip), so nicer handling was the result.
Interesting thread anyway.
David.
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
>
>It isn't if you have an excess of power and don't have to pay for the
>fuel.>>
>
>Hi Jack,
>thats part of it of course but surely each of the designers was striving for
>the highest efficiency he could get for other reasons.
>
>Cheers
>
Pat.
I agree. The design end goal sets the definition of efficiency. If you
want to climb faster, you an add wing and/or increase engine power.
Etc.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
| From: | "Kirkds" <kirkds(at)dishmail.net> |
My filter with the warped plastic tube.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
> My filter with the warped plastic tube.
>
Kirk S/Gang:
If it was mine, I'd replace the plastic tube with a piece of 6061 tubing, if
the rest of the filter looks like it will be serviceable and reliable.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
| From: | "Kirkds" <kirkds(at)dishmail.net> |
Rick it looks good here . Does it show ok to anyone besides me? John, I did that
per your suggestion and it appeers to be working ok.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
> Rick it looks good here . Does it show ok to anyone besides me? John, I
did that per your suggestion and it appeers to be working ok.
>
Kirk S/Gang:
I am very careful not to overtighten the caps. On one occassion I did.
Result was the end of the tube pulled past a round O ring causing a leak.
Some replacement element kits come with square cut and some round O rings.
Usually the square cut is less Murphy proof. However, the round O ring
seals work fine as long as I do not over tighten.
I think the aluminum tube works best with square cut ends, rather than
sanding and rounding. I polish the tube on a buffing wheel once in a blue
moon, but am careful not to hit the square edges of each end to prevent
rounding them off.
My filter uses a circular thumb nut to secure the nylon element. I snug
this up tight by hand. I have never used safety wire on it and never had a
problem of this nut loosening up.
Takes a couple minutes to inspect the filter by removal and disassembly, and
the aluminum tube gives me the satisfaction it ain't gonna break in flight.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Tried it with WMV and Irfanview, both showed up near black.
Rick
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Kirkds wrote:
>
> Rick it looks good here . Does it show ok to anyone besides me? John, I did
> that per your suggestion and it appeers to be working ok.
>
>
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| From: | "Tim Warlick" <timwarlick(at)mchsi.com> |
| Subject: | Transporting a Kolb |
All,
Found out that I "may" be moving from Mobile, AL to Tucson, AZ.
For those who have transported their Kolbs, should I let the movers try
to move it in the moving van or should I rent a 26 foot U-Haul truck and
drive it the 23 hours?
Either way, with the wings folded it is pretty compact. What precautions
do I need to take?
Tim Warlick
Kolb Mark 3 Classic
BMW R100 powered
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| Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
The good news is, you won't need a transponder since the engine doesn't
create any electrical power. ;-)
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> You've answered your own question, I think."an ultralight that was powered
> by a propeller turned by bicycle pedals", powered is powered.
> *
> *
> *Rick
> *
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, wrote:
>
>> *Here's an odd question:*
>> **
>> * Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a
>> propeller turned by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would this machine
>> need to make the weight of a powered ultralight, 254 pounds, or an unpowered
>> glider, 155 pounds. ?*
>>
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>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
Strap a big leaf blower to your back. They can provide more
continuous thrust than your feet.
You will need a LONG wingspan, lots-o-wires and zero wind.
BB
On 30, Aug 2009, at 1:13 PM, Robert Laird wrote:
> The good news is, you won't need a transponder since the engine
> doesn't create any electrical power. ;-)
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Girard
> wrote:
> You've answered your own question, I think.
> "an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned by bicycle
> pedals", powered is powered.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, wrote:
> Here's an odd question:
>
> Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a
> propeller turned by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would
> this machine need to make the weight of a powered ultralight, 254
> pounds, or an unpowered glider, 155 pounds. ?
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> a>http://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Warp props and Rotax 582 |
I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For
those of you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty
of clearance? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Mark Rinehart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Don't worry only about the clearance
The extension will give you better performance, quieter operation.
Boyd Young
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel filters |
I really don't want to stir things up again but.
I have been using automotive Fram G1 fuel filters since day one VW powered
MKIIIC with great results. They are made in Israel and have steel end caps
that are securely attached.
They have the following benefits:
They are cheap app. $3 at Farm & Fleet and well made. Why spend more?
They work good with ethanol, they have been designed and well tested with
it.
They don't need to be screwed together just right and don't unscrew in
flight. Lets call it fool proof.
They have lots of filter area
They filter at least as fine as the clearview filters and most likely much
finer.
I can get them most anywhere.
I don't need to change the glass tube to aluminum to make them safe.
I can also see if they are getting clogged but with the low cost I change
them once a year just because.
They filter 100LL just fine.
They have enough fuel flow capacity for my 302 V8 powered Cobra so they are
fine for my VW.
I don't know how they work with an oil mixture. I also don't know how they
would stand up to water because I have a gascolator before the filter that
at least minimizes the chance of water in the fuel. I do know I have one in
my Cobra (car) that hasn't been changed in ten years and is still in good
condition.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Clearview fuel filters on eBay
>
> I am very careful not to overtighten the caps. On one occassion I did.
> Result was the end of the tube pulled past a round O ring causing a leak.
>
> Some replacement element kits come with square cut and some round O rings.
> Usually the square cut is less Murphy proof. However, the round O ring
> seals work fine as long as I do not over tighten.
>
> I think the aluminum tube works best with square cut ends, rather than
> sanding and rounding. I polish the tube on a buffing wheel once in a blue
> moon, but am careful not to hit the square edges of each end to prevent
> rounding them off.
>
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| Subject: | always do your preflight! |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
I found this cracked tailwire tang while doing my preflight this morning. It's
the one on my left-side vertical tail. I happened to have a fresh new one on hand,
so a little bend on the vice and 10 minutes of work and I was good to go.
Prior to this happening, I had been thinking of a possible better way to assemble
the Kolb tailwires by copying what is done on a lot of other GA planes in our
hanger. They use the solid rods, threaded on both ends, with fork attachments
and jam nuts. They also have tangs, but they are thicker than ours. I think
I've seen one on a Kolb somewhere, just can't remember whose it was. Seems that
would be better, if you never fold/unfold your plane. I have always looked
very closely at those tangs on my preflights, looking for signs of a stress crack
forming, but I never saw any indications on this one until I found it in this
condition this morning. It had to have happened yesterday while I was out
flying, because it wasn't there yesterday morning.
Jimmy Y
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Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
I guess it's just us old timers that remember the Gossamer Condor.No numbers on
that aircraft but you had to be an Olympic class cyclist to fly it.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: powered and unpowered weights
Strap a big leaf blower to your back. ?They can provide more continuous thrust
than your feet.
You will need a LONG wingspan, lots-o-wires and zero wind.
BB
On 30, Aug 2009, at 1:13 PM, Robert Laird wrote:
The good news is, you won't need a transponder since the engine doesn't create
any electrical power.? ;-)
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
You've answered your own question, I think.
"an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned by bicycle pedals", powered
is powered.
Rick
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, wrote:
Here's an odd question:
?
??? Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned
by bicycle pedals.? There is no engine.? Would this machine need to make the
weight of a powered ultralight, 254 pounds, or an unpowered glider, 155 pounds.
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| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Jimmy,
Do you think that failure was caused by air loads or the amount of tension?
? G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Jimmy Young <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 30, 2009 7:35 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: always do your preflight!
I found this cracked tailwire tang while doing my preflight this morning. It's
the one on my left-side vertical tail. I happened to have a fresh new one on
hand, so a little bend on the vice and 10 minutes of work and I was good to go.
Prior to this happening, I had been thinking of a possible better way to
assemble the Kolb tailwires by copying what is done on a lot of other GA planes
in our hanger. They use the solid rods, threaded on both ends, with fork
attachments and jam nuts. They also have tangs, but they are thicker than ours.
I think I've seen one on a Kolb somewhere, just can't remember whose it was.
Seems that would be better, if you never fold/unfold your plane. I have always
looked very closely at those tangs on my preflights, looking for signs of a
stress crack forming, but I never saw any indications on this one until I found
it in this condition this morning. It had to have happened yesterday while I was
out flying, because it wasn't there yesterday morning.
Jimmy Y
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hi Guys and Gals,
This is what this list is about...keeping everyone safe . Thanks Jimmy!
chris ambrose
m3x/jab/
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
| From: | "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com> |
Why so many adjacent holes. I would think that would have something to do with
the failure.
--------
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks - Appreciate differences in VG discussion now! |
| From: | "xauxi99" <a.thangnhaque(at)gmail.com> |
Marked! I will come back to check this soon!thanks a lot.:-)
Une simulation credit immobilier de France
a faire un
pret.
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
That is a good point. Although Kolb supplied the original kits with
the multi-hole tangs
because that was the only adjustment (aside from a small one possible
by twisting the cable)
In this case I would fab a plain steel tang with one hole because of
the turnbarrel. (sorry, had to call it by its real name)
BB
On 30, Aug 2009, at 8:36 PM, albertakolbmk3 wrote:
>
>
> Why so many adjacent holes. I would think that would have something
> to do with the failure.
>
> --------
> Kolb MKIII C
> Rotax 582
> C Gearbox 3.00:1
> WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260542#260542
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
> I found this cracked tailwire tang while doing my preflight this morning.
> It's the one on my left-side vertical tail. I happened to have a fresh new
> one on hand, so a little bend on the vice and 10 minutes of work and I was
> good to go.
>
> Jimmy Y
Jimmy Y/Gang:
I don't like those multi-hole tangs, especially stainless steel, plus being
bent to fit.
Glad you caught that one.
I have never used that style.
I have used the SS tangs with one hole each end with good success.
My mkIII is equipped with 4130 tangs I made from strap and turn buckles to
adjust the tension.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
I'm not Jimmy Y, but I'd like to respond.
My best guess would be vibration and a stress riser where the tang was bent
across punched holes in SS. SS is much less stress resistant as 4130.
Jim's photo shows two bends in the tang. One of those bends goes right thr
ough the hole that broke. If my old eyes are seeing correctly.
john h
mkIII
Jimmy,
Do you think that failure was caused by air loads or the amount of tensio
n?
G.Aman
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
> In this case I would fab a plain steel tang with one hole because of
> the turnbarrel. (sorry, had to call it by its real name)
> BB
Bob B:
Isn't the "turnbuckle barrel" one part of the turnbuckle?
The other two parts being a pin or cable fork???
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Warp props and Rotax 582 |
If you have a "B" box, I think the prop inertia will be too great. It
may work for years & years, but maybe not......
Shack
In a message dated 8/30/2009 5:50:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
by0ung(at)brigham.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "b young"
I just bought a 66" 3 blade warp prop for my Mark III / Rotax 582. For
those of you flying 582's, do I need a prop extension or will I have plenty
of clearance? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Mark Rinehart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Don't worry only about the clearance
The extension will give you better performance, quieter operation.
Boyd Young
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
=JulystepsfooterNO115)
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:46:46 -0400
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
I have no idea what any of them weighed ,been so long.....
-------------------------
Gossamer Condor and Gossamer Albatross both weighed 209 pounds empty.
Estimated power to fly was .48 hp.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:46:46 -0400
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
I have no idea what any of them weighed ,been so long.....
-------------------------
Gossamer Condor and Gossamer Albatross both weighed 209 pounds empty.
Correction - should have written loaded full up.
Estimated power to fly was .48 hp.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
The old west coast aviation guys used to call them turnbarrels as do
some UK countries. I just like to call them that
because I don't see a buckle there. I would still call the hardware
store variety a turnbuckle though.
The aeronca C-3 and some others actually used them for lift struts. :(
I shall now yield to common usage.
I shall also think about a design change on mine, plus closer
preflights until then.
BB
On 30, Aug 2009, at 10:05 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> > In this case I would fab a plain steel tang with one hole because of
>> the turnbarrel. (sorry, had to call it by its real name)
>> BB
>
> Bob B:
>
> Isn't the "turnbuckle barrel" one part of the turnbuckle?
>
> The other two parts being a pin or cable fork???
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transporting a Kolb |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
timwarlick(at)mchsi.com wrote:
> All,
>
> Found out that I "may" be moving from Mobile, AL to Tucson, AZ.
>
> For those who have transported their Kolbs, should I let the movers try to
move it in the moving van or should I rent a 26 foot U-Haul truck and drive it
the 23 hours?
>
> Either way, with the wings folded it is pretty compact. What precautions do
I need to take?
>
> Tim Warlick
> Kolb Mark 3 Classic
> BMW R100 powered
>
I rented a 26 foot Uhaul truck to get my Mark II from northern Alabama to southeast
Georgia, about an 8 or 9 hour trip.
The man I bought the plane from had some homemade wood wing holders padded with
carpet, and we also padded it with extra moving blankets. I believe we strapped
the wings to the side wall as well.
We nailed some boards into the floor on both sides of the tires (don't know if
we were supposed to do that to the truck, but it had a wood floor and we removed
it after we were done). As you can see in the picture we used rachet straps
wrapped around the board that runs along the side of the truck wall to help
stabilize it.
We put foam in between the horizontal and vertical stabilizer while it was folded
up, but we missed a spot and the only damage I had to the entire plane after
the move was a small hole in my horizontal stabilizer.
The other ideas already mentioned from others would be a good thing to incorporate
if you decide to go with the Uhaul truck.
By the way I had four men to lift the plane in and out of the truck. My Mark II
is about 400 pounds.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
In a message dated 8/30/2009 8:38:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com writes:
Why so many adjacent holes. I would think that would have something to do
with the failure.
cherie/all
The tang with several holes was designed so as to be able to adjust the
length of the cable for proper tension. By moving the bolt from one hole to
another, it will either tighten or loosen the cable.
On the tangs with only one hole (at each end of course) they could be
adjusted by installing or removing washers placed under the tang. My builders
manual mentioned this and suggested installing at least one washer between
the tang and the tail surface when being built so if adjustment was needed
later it could be done as described.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | always do your preflight! |
Jimmy,
It looks like the clevis end of the turnbuckle may have been pressing on the
tang as there appears to be an indented marking on the tang matching the
curvature of the clevis end. (Sometimes photos are deceiving, but it does
give this appearance.) I don't know if at some point in the life of the
airplane that when the wings were folded the turnbuckle was leveraging the
tang and flexed it ... possibly when folding the tail, the turnbuckle had
some pressure on it and in turn flexed the tang?
I know the tang is not 4130 and there are holes in it - but even still there
is a lot of strength in the tang. I have a hard time thinking that the crack
resulted from tension loads alone.
The tang is designed to replace a turnbuckle and consequently most Kolbs
would not have the turnbuckle. So this is probably a relatively rare set-up
and possibly the turnbuckle and tail folding had something to do with it?
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Young
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: always do your preflight!
I found this cracked tailwire tang while doing my preflight this morning.
It's the one on my left-side vertical tail. I happened to have a fresh new
one on hand, so a little bend on the vice and 10 minutes of work and I was
good to go.
Prior to this happening, I had been thinking of a possible better way to
assemble the Kolb tailwires by copying what is done on a lot of other GA
planes in our hanger. They use the solid rods, threaded on both ends, with
fork attachments and jam nuts. They also have tangs, but they are thicker
than ours. I think I've seen one on a Kolb somewhere, just can't remember
whose it was. Seems that would be better, if you never fold/unfold your
plane. I have always looked very closely at those tangs on my preflights,
looking for signs of a stress crack forming, but I never saw any indications
on this one until I found it in this condition this morning. It had to have
happened yesterday while I was out flying, because it wasn't there yesterday
morning.
Jimmy Y
--------
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FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
| From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
Has anyone else experienced this?
Do you have a photo of where the failure occurred? I am in process of building,
info as you supplied sure tells me to beef up the tangs if this is not an isolated
case.
Thanks for sharing this!
------Original Message------
From: Chris Ambrose
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Aug 30, 2009 8:11 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: always do your preflight!
Hi Guys and Gals,
This is what this list is about...keeping everyone safe . Thanks Jimmy!
chris ambrose
m3x/jab/
N327CS
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
Fran=2C
Did you miss Jimmy's photo link=2C in his original post=2C at the bottom
of his email?? It has a photo of his broken tang. Scary stuff=2C BTW!!!
Mike Welch
MkIII
>
> Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> Do you have a photo of where the failure occurred? I am in process of bui
lding=2C info as you supplied sure tells me to beef up the tangs if this is
not an isolated case.
>
_________________________________________________________________
With Windows Live=2C you can organize=2C edit=2C and share your photos.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
> It looks like the clevis end of the turnbuckle may have been pressing on
> the
> tang as there appears to be an indented marking on the tang matching the
> curvature of the clevis end.
>
> The tang is designed to replace a turnbuckle and consequently most Kolbs
> would not have the turnbuckle. So this is probably a relatively rare
> set-up
> and possibly the turnbuckle and tail folding had something to do with it?
>
> Dennis
Dennis/Gang:
You may have something there. Would be easy to side load the tang with the
turnbuckle (turnbarrel for BB) during tail folding and handling.
I use four turnbuckles on my mkIII tail wires. Normally, I do not fold, but
if I do, all the wires come off the tail section first.
Looking at the photo, looks like there may be some scoring/scratching by
wrench or socket around the high temp lock nut in the area of the break.
Doesn't look like there is a washer under the nut either.
If the tail wires were loose in flight, would induce a lot of vibration to
the SS tang.
Another thought from my foggy old mind, the further the bend from the
attaching bolt, the more side load at the bolt. When I make up my tail wire
tangs, I bend them at the edge of the washer under the nut or bolt head to
reduce possibility of side load.
My thoughts prior to my first cup of coffee this morning, as I contemplate
finishing loading and heading to the Rock House, this morning, to harass
Larry Cottrell for a few weeks, along with the jack rabbits, coyotes, and
antelope.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
>
> Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> Do you have a photo of where the failure occurred? I am in process of
> building, info as you supplied sure tells me to beef up the tangs if this
> is not an isolated case.
Fran/Gang:
The url for the photo is at the bottom of Jimmy Y's msg.
This is the first failure of these particular SS tangs that I have knowledge
of. I believe it is an isolated case.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
I agree it looks like a combination of the bend being too close to the holes and
the weakness caused by the holes being close together that helped get the failure
going.
To Dennis' reply, I have not to my knowledge ever folded up the tail causing the
turnbarrel to leverage some tension on the tang, but it could have happened
with a previous owner. I think the main thing to learn is, regardless of what
caused it, the crack developed at the weakest point of the tang where the holes
are all close together.
I'm going to locate some SS single hole tangs and wil be replacing the entire tail
wire assembly.
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| Subject: | Re: always do your pre-flight! |
| From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
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| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
| From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
Thanks John, safe journey!
------Original Message------
From: John Hauck
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Aug 31, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: always do your preflight!
>
> Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> Do you have a photo of where the failure occurred? I am in process of
> building, info as you supplied sure tells me to beef up the tangs if this
> is not an isolated case.
Fran/Gang:
The url for the photo is at the bottom of Jimmy Y's msg.
This is the first failure of these particular SS tangs that I have knowledge
of. I believe it is an isolated case.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
Jimmy and others with turnbuckles (or barrels),
John mentioned that he was not aware of any such tang failure previously and
I have none either, these are not just used on Kolb, they are extensively in
all sorts of ultralight aircraft. So, logic would seem to indicate that the
that the presence of the turnbuckle is probably related to the failure in
some way.
The tang, I feel certain, is quite strong enough for its intended tensions
loading. So all this to say, make sure you don't replicate a scenario that
would not eliminate the real problem. Any tang will fail if flexed sideways
a sufficient number of times.
I would not put the turnbuckle on the top wires for several reasons:
(A) These are the wires that will get you home when all else would fail. The
bottoms are really along for the ride - the tops carry the downward force on
the horizontal stabilizers. If the top wire support fails, you probably
will not make it home. So keep the failure modes for the top wires as few
as possible. The turnbuckle itself represents several failure modes: (1)
whatever happened to yours (2) the turnbuckle could fail itself (3) there is
an additional connection points/links to come apart(4) the safety wire could
fail if incorrectly done or forgotten (5) the turnbuckle could be
incorrectly assembled with too few threads inserted. These are all
potential failure modes - most not likely - but how likely was your tang
failure when none has failed before?
(B) The upper wires are the longest and therefore subject to the most
in-flight vibration and movement in general and adding mass to these will
likely increase any in-flight vibrations, etc.
I can understand why someone would want them: its more traditional and it
makes adjustment easier. But given all the additional failure modes (and
things to check on preflight). I would not have the turnbuckles on my
airplane.
If you do include turnbuckles and fold your tail, you should consider,
having wire on both sides of the turnbuckle to eliminate any potential
binding, or (remove the bolts thru the stabilizer(s). If you remove the
bolt(s), putting it back may be a challenge - if you fold regularly you
probably don't want to do it this way.
Dennis
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Young
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:32 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: always do your preflight!
I agree it looks like a combination of the bend being too close to the holes
and the weakness caused by the holes being close together that helped get
the failure going.
To Dennis' reply, I have not to my knowledge ever folded up the tail causing
the turnbarrel to leverage some tension on the tang, but it could have
happened with a previous owner. I think the main thing to learn is,
regardless of what caused it, the crack developed at the weakest point of
the tang where the holes are all close together.
I'm going to locate some SS single hole tangs and wil be replacing the
entire tail wire assembly.
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
Thanks Dennis. Good points to consider. In addition we may want to
look at
the dinky little bolts that do the pass-through. The threads would
be the weak area. -both on the nut and the bolt.
Because of the angle they are in both tension and shear.
The loads on these wires are not great. Vibration and work-hardening
with hours of run time would be the real culprit.
BB
On 31, Aug 2009, at 9:19 AM, Dennis Souder wrote:
>
> Jimmy and others with turnbuckles (or barrels),
>
> John mentioned that he was not aware of any such tang failure
> previously and
> I have none either, these are not just used on Kolb, they are
> extensively in
> all sorts of ultralight aircraft. So, logic would seem to indicate
> that the
> that the presence of the turnbuckle is probably related to the
> failure in
> some way.
>
> The tang, I feel certain, is quite strong enough for its intended
> tensions
> loading. So all this to say, make sure you don't replicate a
> scenario that
> would not eliminate the real problem. Any tang will fail if flexed
> sideways
> a sufficient number of times.
>
> I would not put the turnbuckle on the top wires for several reasons:
>
> (A) These are the wires that will get you home when all else would
> fail. The
> bottoms are really along for the ride - the tops carry the downward
> force on
> the horizontal stabilizers. If the top wire support fails, you
> probably
> will not make it home. So keep the failure modes for the top wires
> as few
> as possible. The turnbuckle itself represents several failure
> modes: (1)
> whatever happened to yours (2) the turnbuckle could fail itself (3)
> there is
> an additional connection points/links to come apart(4) the safety
> wire could
> fail if incorrectly done or forgotten (5) the turnbuckle could be
> incorrectly assembled with too few threads inserted. These are all
> potential failure modes - most not likely - but how likely was your
> tang
> failure when none has failed before?
>
> (B) The upper wires are the longest and therefore subject to the most
> in-flight vibration and movement in general and adding mass to
> these will
> likely increase any in-flight vibrations, etc.
>
> I can understand why someone would want them: its more traditional
> and it
> makes adjustment easier. But given all the additional failure
> modes (and
> things to check on preflight). I would not have the turnbuckles on my
> airplane.
>
> If you do include turnbuckles and fold your tail, you should consider,
> having wire on both sides of the turnbuckle to eliminate any potential
> binding, or (remove the bolts thru the stabilizer(s). If you
> remove the
> bolt(s), putting it back may be a challenge - if you fold regularly
> you
> probably don't want to do it this way.
>
>
> Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Young
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:32 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: always do your preflight!
>
>
> I agree it looks like a combination of the bend being too close to
> the holes
> and the weakness caused by the holes being close together that
> helped get
> the failure going.
>
> To Dennis' reply, I have not to my knowledge ever folded up the
> tail causing
> the turnbarrel to leverage some tension on the tang, but it could have
> happened with a previous owner. I think the main thing to learn is,
> regardless of what caused it, the crack developed at the weakest
> point of
> the tang where the holes are all close together.
>
> I'm going to locate some SS single hole tangs and wil be replacing the
> entire tail wire assembly.
>
> --------
> Jimmy Young
> FS II, HKS 700
> N7043P
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260597#260597
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transporting a Kolb |
| From: | "Tom O'Hara" <tohara(at)alphagraphics.com> |
I sent some pics to you this morning. They have already been posted here a couple
of years ago.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Transporting a Kolb |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
timwarlick(at)mchsi.com wrote:
> All,
>
> Found out that I "may" be moving from Mobile, AL to Tucson, AZ.
>
> For those who have transported their Kolbs, should I let the movers try to
move it in the moving van or should I rent a 26 foot U-Haul truck and drive it
the 23 hours?
>
> Either way, with the wings folded it is pretty compact. What precautions do
I need to take?
>
> Tim Warlick
> Kolb Mark 3 Classic
> BMW R100 powered
>
Tim:
If you haven't already, you may want to check my web site (link below in signature
tag). There are a wide variety of techniques used for transporting a Kolb.
(About 16 setups.)
Go to the web site and click on "Trailering a Kolb".
Whatever method you use, the two points that seem to be consistent are to: get
the tail wheel off the floor by supporting the tail boom and support the wings
independent of the tail boom.
My $.02 worth.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
Jimmy / All
The turnbuckles add mass to those wires so that if there is any in-flight
vibrations or side loading it would compound the issue. Add to that the V
twin engine that was bolted solid to your engine mount would have added to
the issue by transmitting engine vibrations.
I would suggest you give your plane a very close going over to check for
other vibration related metal fatigue.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: always do your preflight!
>
> I agree it looks like a combination of the bend being too close to the
> holes and the weakness caused by the holes being close together that
> helped get the failure going.
>
> To Dennis' reply, I have not to my knowledge ever folded up the tail
> causing the turnbarrel to leverage some tension on the tang, but it could
> have happened with a previous owner. I think the main thing to learn is,
> regardless of what caused it, the crack developed at the weakest point of
> the tang where the holes are all close together.
>
> I'm going to locate some SS single hole tangs and wil be replacing the
> entire tail wire assembly.
>
> --------
> Jimmy Young
> FS II, HKS 700
> N7043P
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260597#260597
>
>
>
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Please point me to where i can find more info about these planes. The only
one's i know of with the names Spitfire, Hurricane, and ME 109 were designed
well over 60 years ago. :-)
Our understanding of aerodynamics has changed substantially in the last 10
years, let alone 60+.>>
Hi,
You are quite right , they all came into service around 1935/7. In the
Battle of Britain the Hawker Hurricane shot down more German planes than the
Supermarine Spitfire although the Spit is the icon of the time.
The Spitfire was often deployed against the fighter escort as its top speed
was 355 at 19000ft with a ceiling of 34000ft against the Hurricane 316mph at
17500ft ceiling of 32000ft while the Hurricane attacked the bombers.
Their armament was the same. 8/303 mg.
The Me bf109E did 355mph at 18000ft with a ceiling of 35000ft and had
2/7.9mm cannons and 2/20mmcannons
The Spitfire evolved through 24 developments beforer produiction ended in
`47 finally achieving 454mph at26000ft with a ceiling of around 44000ft plus
the Seafire for the Navy and the Spiteful.
I was wrong when I said in reply to another post that the clip wing version
was introduced as dog fighting moved higher. In fact it was the reverse. In
`43 the Clip wing was developed when a low level variant was made to carry
2/.250lb or 1/500lb bomb.
The Hurricane did not produce so many variants but the Hurri-bomber was
quite succesful.
No doubt aerodynamics have progressed since then but my point was that three
top designers building similar planes to do the same job at the same time
all produced different wingtips so the differences could not have been that
great. I am sure that the designers of the Sopwiths and Neuports and
Fokkers of the previous war didn`t know anything about the aerodynamics of
wingtips but Mitchell, Camm etc certainly did.
In fact I dont think that the aerodynamics of fighter wings have much
bearing on the aerodynamics of wings at the sort of speeds we fly. We would
be better off studying the design of the sails of high speed sailing boats
which approximate much more closely the behaviour of air round our wings.
I bet you are glad you asked.
Pat
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| Subject: | RE: always do your preflight! |
Thanks Dennis for your input...makes sense to me and makes me feel a lot
better....jswan
Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder"
Jimmy and others with turnbuckles (or barrels),
John mentioned that he was not aware of any such tang failure previously
and
I have none either, these are not just used on Kolb, they are extensively
in
all sorts of ultralight aircraft. So, logic would seem to indicate that
the
that the presence of the turnbuckle is probably related to the failure in
some way.
The tang, I feel certain, is quite strong enough for its intended tensions
loading. So all this to say, make sure you don't replicate a scenario that
would not eliminate the real problem. Any tang will fail if flexed
sideways
a sufficient number of times.
JIM SWAN
firestar ll, 503, N663S
Eaton Rapids, Mi. 48827
PH 517-663-8488 runway 2300' E & W (42-28.58N 084-44.69 W )
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
=JulystepsfooterNO115)
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> Isn`t it surprising in view of all the furore aboout the superiority of one
> wing tip over another that three top designers designed three different
> planes, with different wing tips to do the same job.
>
> Spitfire Elliptical
> Hurricane. Round
> Me 109 Square
>
> Maybe is isn`t that important after all.
>
> Pat
Pat,
Given your method of looking at what has been designed to determine if wingtips
are important or not, you very selectively cite 3 fighter aircraft designed almost
70 years ago. Your logic of looking at other aircraft is good, but you
should be looking at modern aircraft that are more similar in performance to
our Kolbs. A huge number of general aviation and Light Sport Aircraft have been
designed with modern technology, and the vast majorty have gone to the trouble
to put aerodynamically designed wingtips on them. Even though aerodynamic
wingtips add cost and make production more difficult, they still do it. This
is done for a very good reason...
The Kolb Factory even saw the importance of wingtips and put a new wingtip on the
MK III Xtra. The current design Kolb wingtip sucks, they are prone to breaking
over time when built to plans, and are aerodynamically a waste. The current
Kolb wingtips may be easy to build, but I would rather spend a little more
time building a good wingtip that made my plane fly and perform better than
just wasting 3 feet of my available wing area on nothing.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
The design end goal sets the definition of efficiency. If you
want to climb faster, you an add wing and/or increase engine power. >>
Hi Jack,
well ! Mitchell certainly didn`t design the Spitfire wing for ease of
production.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I posted a warning about this here on the Kolb List last year. These tangs have
a history of cracking like this. Rans even posted an AD on this same type
tang last year for their aircraft. Rans speculated that this can happen due
to incorrect bending, and over tightening of the tail wires. Rans said these
tangs shoud be inspected with a 10 X magnifying glass, which I do regularly.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=42213
Attached to this post is a copy of the Rans AD on these tangs.
Rans aircraft have two sets of tail wires, Kolbs only have one set. If one tail
wire were to fail on a Kolb, the airplane would tumble. Given the AD, and close
calls like this one, I recently did the work to install a second set of
tail wires on my Kolb MK III.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/tangtailransad_663.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="Masqqqqqqq(at)aol.com"]Here's an odd question:
Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned
by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would this machine need to make
the weight of a powered ultralight, 254 pounds, or an unpowered glider, 155 pounds.
?
> [b]
Kind of a dumb question, because if you build a pedal powered " Ultralight " that
is anywhere near 254 pounds, it would never fly using only human power...
Its been done before, and the planes have been under 100 pounds to be able to fly
with the power of an olympic class bicycle rider.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Wing Tip Failure? |
...........................
>The Kolb Factory even saw the importance of wingtips and put a new wingtip
on the MK III Xtra. The current design Kolb wingtip sucks, they are prone
to breaking over time when built to plans, and are aerodynamically a waste.
>
..........................
Kolbers,
Just wondered, has anyone ever had a wing tip fail from normal flight
conditions, as opposed to striking the ground, etc?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Rick Neilsen wrote:
>Add to that the V
twin engine that was bolted solid to your engine mount would have added to
the issue by transmitting engine vibrations.
I would suggest you give your plane a very close going over to check for
other vibration related metal fatigue. <
Rick,
Will do, thanks for the advice.
I did more "metal fatigue" to my Kolb last year when I pancake-landed it and ripped
the left gearleg socket clean off, due to my lack-of-piloting skills. It
could be the tang got jerked down pretty hard on that incident, starting a crack.
I think that's what some call Kolb-quit, when you stall the plane and you
haven't landed yet.
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Failure? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
There are plenty of reports here on the list of wingtips breaking. Not a catastrophic
failure, but parts of them fatiguing and some of the thin supporting tubes
breaking over time. The structure was probably more suited to the Firefly,
and the ultrastar. Built stock, its definitely too weak a design for a MK
III.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Masqqqqqqq(at)aol.com,
Condor weighed in at 70 pounds... Human powered is not a glider, it is using power
to fly as opposed to updrafts, or being towed or launched off a hill, so
I would not try to impose glider rules.
Forgive my initial response, we are trying to create nice and kinder list here
:) The question does not make much sense to me, as chances of a human powered
ultralight ever flying at more than 155 pounds is very close to zero. Remember,
a plane actually has to get into the air to worry about FAA rules, and hovercraft
and similar ground effect craft do not count !!
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Failure? |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
>>There are plenty of reports here on the list of wingtips breaking.
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Verner 1400 |
| From: | "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
<< I have taken my VN 1400, to Central FLORDIA Flyers and have met
Steve the
owner and as far as I can see he and his operation is first class, ...
propeller damper was remanufactured with a harder rubber and that
stopped the vibration. Steve Simmons >>
Hi, Steve -
Glad to hear the Verner factory has addressed the vibration problem in
their (your) VM-1400.
Unfortunately for me, that fix came too late. When I was having
harmonic vibration problems on my Mark-III with the Verner-1400 (2004),
Steve Flynn could not offer me a solution. And although I agree with
you that Steve is a first-class guy who was genuinely trying to help, he
could not help his customers if the factory in the Czech Republic did
not have any answers. I had no choice but to abandon continued use of
that engine for my Kolb.
Thanks for the update, and I wish you all success in getting your
Verner-powered bird in the air!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, Rotax-912ul, in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Failure? |
>
>There are plenty of reports here on the list of wingtips breaking. Not a
catastrophic failure, but parts of them fatiguing and some of the thin
supporting tubes breaking over time. The structure was probably more suited
to the Firefly, and the ultrastar. Built stock, its definitely too weak a
design for a MK III.
>
Mike,
I searched the archives using the following word combinations:
damaged wingtip
damaged wing tip
wingtip failure
wing tip failure
broken wingtip
broken wing tip
broken brace
The last two items produced hits. "Broken wing tip" produced two hits but
they did not relate to a specific instance of a failure. "Broken brace"
produced one hit where a failure was discovered after the wing tip had been
run into a fence.
May be I am using the wrong word combinations.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Failure? |
Been on this list since 1995 and cant remember any but I have a little memo
ry loss due to my brain bleed after the crash.- Chris=0A-Chris Davis=0A
KXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jimmy Young <jdy100@co
mcast.net>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:
52:03 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Wing Tip Failure?=0A=0A--> Kolb-List mes
sage posted by: "Jimmy Young" =0A=0A>>There are plenty
of reports here on the list of wingtips breaking.=0A=0A--------=0AJimmy You
ng=0AFS II, HKS 700=0AN7043P=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A
=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260674#260674=0A=0A=0A=0A
=================0A=0A=0A
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cockpit controlled trim for Firestar-2 - Request Inputs |
Mahesh, I found that Rans trim I email you about you can see it at=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2- http://www.shoprans.com/ElevatorTrim.asp=C2-good luck .m
glad you asked as I will order on for the Firefly I am building!=C2- Chri
s=0A=C2-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from cras
h building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Mahesh Iyer =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wedne
sday, August 19, 2009 1:02:32 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Cockpit controlled t
rim for Firestar-2 - Request Inputs=0A=0A=0ADear Fellow Kolbers, =0AI am wr
iting to this list for the first time and wanted to thank you all for the i
mmense knowledge that you share! =0A=C2- =0AI fly a Kolb Firestar-2 out o
f Ashland in Oregon and am enjoying it. I wanted some expert advice on buil
ding a cockpit controlled trim for my Firestar-2. =0A=C2- =0ACan any of y
ou guide me with some good designs that I could use as a starting point to
build? After flying the Cessna=99s for quite some time, I am pampered
by the use of the trim wheel and want to build something close to it for m
y Firestar-2. =0A=C2- =0AOnce again, thanks much for your contributions!
=0A=C2- =0AMahesh Iyer =0AN194 DS, Phoenix , Oregon =0AKolb Firestar 2
=93 Powered by a Rotax 503 DCDI, driven by a three blade IVO prop =0A
The joy of Flight Nothing comes closer, it=99s a ro
========================0A=0A
=0A
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| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Update on Verner 1400 |
Thanks Dennis I will get it flying by the end of October hopefully.
Steve
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kirby, Dennis CTR
USAF AFMC MDA/AL
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:20 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Update on Verner 1400
<
< I have taken my VN 1400, to Central FLORDIA Flyers and have met Steve the
owner and as far as I can see he and his operation is first class, .
propeller damper was remanufactured with a harder rubber and that stopped
the vibration. Steve Simmons >>
Hi, Steve -
Glad to hear the Verner factory has addressed the vibration problem in their
(your) VM-1400.
Unfortunately for me, that fix came too late. When I was having harmonic
vibration problems on my Mark-III with the Verner-1400 (2004), Steve Flynn
could not offer me a solution. And although I agree with you that Steve is
a first-class guy who was genuinely trying to help, he could not help his
customers if the factory in the Czech Republic did not have any answers. I
had no choice but to abandon continued use of that engine for my Kolb.
Thanks for the update, and I wish you all success in getting your
Verner-powered bird in the air!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, Rotax-912ul, in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Another video... |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hi All....Just another view from m3x....I was curious as to what was going on in
the back of the plane....I may do this again with the windows out to get rid
of the distortion....hope you enjoy it...hey,what do you want for nothing.....rubber
biscuit ??
chris ambrose
M3X/jab 52+ hrs
N327CS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO5W0jH72C8
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| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
| From: | "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com> |
Dennis,
I would have to disagree with you. Any failure at all whether top or bottom WILL
be a disaster. You know the cable will stretch over time, maybe fractionally,
but it will. As everything loosens up you start to get more vibration because
you have no way to adjust the tension. Of course you need to be careful not
to over-tighten. The tangs have almost cut all the way through the cable thimble
on mine, much like the others have noted.
I'm not sure how much time john H. has put on the old tangs but if I remember correctly
he had re-done them a few times before going to the system he has now.
There is obviously a problem here.
Whether or not the turnbuckle really adds any concern is questionable.
I believe the tang is the problem or at least the way it is being used.
Tony
--------
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Failure? |
Jack ,I dont think you missed many word combos . thank you for-the backin
g evidence. Chris=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisab
led from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________________
____=0AFrom: Jack B. Hart <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matroni
cs.com=0ASent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:49:34 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List:
here are plenty of reports here on the list of wingtips breaking.- Not a
=0Acatastrophic failure, but parts of them fatiguing and some of the thin
=0Asupporting tubes breaking over time.- The structure was probably more
suited =0Ato the Firefly, and the ultrastar.- Built stock, its definitely
too weak a =0Adesign for a MK III.- =0A>=0A=0AMike,=0A=0AI searched the
archives using the following word combinations:=0A=0Adamaged wingtip=0Adama
ged wing tip=0Awingtip failure=0Awing tip failure=0Abroken wingtip=0Abroken
wing tip =0Abroken brace=0A=0AThe last two items produced hits.- "Broken
wing tip" produced two hits but =0Athey did not relate to a specific insta
nce of a failure.- "Broken brace" =0Aproduced one hit where a failure was
discovered after the wing tip had been =0Arun into a fence.=0A=0AMay be I
am using the wrong word combinations.=0A=0AJack B. Hart FF004=0AWinchester,
=========================0A
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another video... |
Chris, you can label that one "hindsight"
That was interesting to get a point of view that many don't get to
see. My neck won't turn that far. Hurts.
Time to get a rear view mirror.
In the early part of the video, after you had leveled off and still
running fairly high power there appeared to
be some oscillation of the tail. -to be expected of course, but an
affirmation of what I earlier said about the
"wiggleness" of the Kolb. I would like to see some footage in more
unstable air.
BB
On 31, Aug 2009, at 8:53 PM, ces308 wrote:
>
> Hi All....Just another view from m3x....I was curious as to what
> was going on in the back of the plane....I may do this again with
> the windows out to get rid of the distortion....hope you enjoy
> it...hey,what do you want for nothing.....rubber biscuit ??
>
> chris ambrose
> M3X/jab 52+ hrs
> N327CS
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO5W0jH72C8
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260734#260734
>
>
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
All Kolbers,
I'm curious what other kolb pilots are experiencing as their gallon
per hour fuel burn?
What is your sustained level flight absolute minimum gal, per hr? At
what engine rpm? And at what cruise speed?
What is your over all "average" gal. per hr. engine rpm, and
cruise speed?
Please specify the model of your plane and engine when you share your
statistics.
Statistic from flights of 2 hours or longer will likely be more
accurate and reliable than shorter flights, but please share whatever
you personally experience with your plane.
Eugene Zimmerman
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
Tony,
... "WILL be a disaster"
Not necessarily!
When I was in Taiwan, I saw a maxair drifter lose its hs stab cables and the
hs stab was loose and flipping around. It got my attention because it
looked like an impending disaster and also because I had just flown the
drifter before this flight. We had just assembled it and I did the first
flight - then another pilot took it up. But the pilot was able to land the
airplane with careful use of the throttle.
At Oshkosh one year, I was sitting at the shore at the seaplane base
watching an ultralight amphibian flying by at 500 ft altitude or so, over
the water. The whole tail broke completely off - the composite fuselage
tube just broke apart - and it went straight in. That WAS a disaster, both
pilot and passenger will killed.
The main point I wanted to make was if one wanted to use turnbuckles, then
put them on the bottom wires - not the top wires. John uses 4 I think, but
others have done it with 2 which still provides good adjustability. Putting
them above provides additional failure points and if I had to choose which
cables to lose, I would choose to lose the lower cables. John seldom folds
his Mark-III so turnbuckles are less problematic with his flying style. To
have turnbuckles on the top wires and fold regularly - you are setting
yourself up for some potential binding problems because the turnbuckle will
get sandwiched between the vertical stab and the horiz stab and since the
tang is projecting out at an angle the turnbuckle will be held to that same
approximate angle and it WILL put pressure on the tang. With the turnbuckles
on the bottom wires, they are on the outside and much less susceptible to
being stressed.
Dennis
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:27 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: always do your preflight!
Dennis,
I would have to disagree with you. Any failure at all whether top or bottom
WILL be a disaster. You know the cable will stretch over time, maybe
fractionally, but it will. As everything loosens up you start to get more
vibration because you have no way to adjust the tension. Of course you need
to be careful not to over-tighten. The tangs have almost cut all the way
through the cable thimble on mine, much like the others have noted.
I'm not sure how much time john H. has put on the old tangs but if I
remember correctly he had re-done them a few times before going to the
system he has now. There is obviously a problem here.
Whether or not the turnbuckle really adds any concern is questionable.
I believe the tang is the problem or at least the way it is being used.
Tony
--------
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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| Subject: | Breakfast at KPNC |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
My reply to Eugene's request for fuel burn info got me thinking. I don't
know how many Kolb's there are in the lower mid west, but a few of you guys
pass through on the way to Monument Valley or just out touring so I thought
I'd let you all in on one of the best deals around.On the first Saturday of
the month, between 7 and 10 am, the Ponca City Aviation Boosters club serves
breakfast at their club house at KPNC. $6 gets you eggs, bacon, sausage,
fruit, toast, pancakes, juice, milk and coffee. As high as you care to pile
your plate. If you want a can of pop or a bottle of water it's an extra 50
cents per. These folks don't haul out a few gas grills for this, their club
house has a complete professional kitchen. It is all done by volunteers, but
the quality and service is second to none. If you find yourself in that part
of the country you owe it to yourself. Around the area this is a well known
event. They serve 450 to 600 people in those three hours so get there early
and plan to stay late, the crowd is a friendly bunch.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
MKIII, 582, 2.58:1 B box, 2 blade 68" Ivo, 4 GPH @ 5,200 rpm & 65 mph
FSII, 582, 2.58:1 B box, 2 blade 68" Ivo, 3.5 GPH @ 4,800 rpm & 62 mph
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
In a message dated 8/31/2009 10:24:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
etzimm(at)gmail.com writes:
What is your over all "average" gal. per hr. engine rpm, and
cruise speed?
Gene Z,
This is my average for a 1 to 2 hour flight and includes taxi, warm up,
takeoff, landing and taxi again, such as during my trips to Homers picnics:
Original style - Kolb FireStar
Rotax 447
5000 RPM = 2.0 GPH
Airspeed about 60 to 65 in smooth air (drops to 55~60 in bumpy air)
I don't know what the fuel burn is during cruise only.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
Richard,
Do you have any gph figures on a slower speed cruise?
Guesses?
Dennis
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:31 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey
MKIII, 582, 2.58:1 B box, 2 blade 68" Ivo, 4 GPH @ 5,200 rpm & 65 mph
FSII, 582, 2.58:1 B box, 2 blade 68" Ivo, 3.5 GPH @ 4,800 rpm & 62 mph
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
The tangs have almost cut all the way through the cable thimble on mine,
much like the others have noted.>>
Hi,
thats interesting. Were they particularly tight?
I remember that when I was gliding everyone pulled their cables at every
annual as a matter of course. This was mainly to check cable wear round
pulleys etc, finding individual wires which had broken (usually by sticking
the end into your finger) but i can never remember anyone having trouble at
the tang.
I remember one guy landed a bit heavily, banging his feet on the rudder
pedals, and the rudder horn fell off. Nothing wrong with the cable though.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Eugene,
Yesterday I did a 1.5 hour flight at a steady 2,640 rpm and true airspeed of 80
mph at a density altitude of about 2,500'. Total fuel burn of 5.5 gallons for
burn rate of 3.67 gph or almost 22 mpg. These numbers include taxi, short warm
up, one take-off and climb to about 1800 AGL, one descent and landing and taxi
back. On my next flight I plan to do a similar flight at a slower speed, probably
around 72 mph and will report my numbers.
Note that the max continuous spped for the Jabiru engine is 3300 rpm but I am currently
over propped and it won't reach that rpm in straight and level flight.
My prop is a Tennessee Wood 66x34, which I think is too long for a Jabiru engine.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Eugene,
I forgot to mention that I also tested for minimum power flight. Without use of
flaperons I got down to sustained S&L flight at only 2,232 RPM and 55 mph airspeed.
I think it might go to a little less power cruise but this is only 10 mph
over my stall speed so I didn't bother to reduce power any more.
In case anyone is wondering why I'm quoting such un-rounded tach numbers, for some
reason, my EIS tach reading is in increments of 24 rpm. Have not figured out
why that is, maybe the sensor is reading flywheel teeth. I have not yet dug
into that but will.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
you very selectively cite 3 fighter aircraft designed almost 70 years ago.
>>
Not consciously selective. Just 3 planes designed at the same time to do the
same job and I happened to be familiar with their silhouette through
aircraft identificaion classes. As planes stopped being so interesting
somewhere around the Canberra and the Hunter I probably couldn`t tell the
different in silhouette between a Mig and Sabre or anything more up to date.
Re the new shape tip on the Kolb tip. Challenger did the same thing just
before I sold mine. I would like to know how much was increased effeciency
and how much was cosmetic. I reckon its like spoilers on cars. Useful on
racing cars but a dead loss on a normal vehicle. They look nice but don`t
achieve anything but no one will admit it and take them off.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Very informative reading.>>
Thanks Bill. Will do. I didn`t want to make a federal case out of it,
just an observation.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Firestar II with the HKS:
2.8 hr flight on Sunday, good combination of cruise at 5200-5400 rpm, slow flight
at 4700 rpm, full power climbs, 3 take offs & landings, burned avg. of 2.5
gal/hr.
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
Original Firestar, 2.58 B box, 2-blade 66" Ivo, 2.7 GPH at 5100 rpm, 60mph
Kolbra, 912 80hp, 3-blade Warp Drive, 3.5 GPH at 5000 rpm, 80mph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
960 hours
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| Subject: | Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA |
| From: | "2danglico" <john.tempest(at)basf.com> |
I was inspired by Larry's awesome footage recorded by that tiny camera. I got one
and started playing with it. It's size allowed my to mount it or hold it easily.It
does a good job snapping stills as well. I also edited in some older footage
taken with my dig/cam- I just held it in my throttle hand. My old old Firestar
is flying great, I'll be down for while for Fuel line/pump change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kimUH_YTyyk
John Tempest
Clemson SC
Firestar 447
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
Firestar II 503 DCDI 66" Ivo 2 blade pitched for 6,400 on climb 2.58:1 B box
32:1 with 87 octane fuel
Flight started with 320 pound load and 10 gallons of fuel.
Air temp at surface was about 95 relative humidity 20% Altimeter 29.86" Haze
Flew between 4,500 and 5,500 msl
Surface is about 1,300 AGL
Made landings at three airfields.
1.8 hours @ 5,800 RPM
Average indicated airspeed at cruise 70 MPH
Fuel burn Five gallons
Cruise EGT 10,500
Climb EGT 950, main jets on order
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| Subject: | Re: Another video... |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
ces308 wrote:
> Hi All....Just another view from m3x....I was curious as to what was going on
in the back of the plane....I may do this again with the windows out to get rid
of the distortion....hope you enjoy it...hey,what do you want for nothing.....rubber
biscuit ??
>
> chris ambrose
> M3X/jab 52+ hrs
> N327CS
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO5W0jH72C8
That is really cool Chris. Thanks for giving us that perspective.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Failure? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Here are a couple reported cases... Only took me a few minutes to search and find
this. I could probably find more, but this will help those that are interested
in this subject will get the idea.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=39942
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: One step closer |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
I don't understand, can I buy a vowel or get some history to understand?
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
MKIIIC Redrive 2180cc VW 71" PowerFin F model 3 blade 4GPH @ 75 MPH 3200 RPM
on a 2-3.5 hour cross country.
An interesting change occurred on the flight to the Purdy field fly in. The
flight was exactly 2 hours round trip winds < 5 MPH both directions. On the
way there I flew my normal 75 MPH indicated for app. one hour. On the way
back I flew in a loose formation at 70 MPH. The total fuel burn was exactly
6.25 gallons I emptied my 6 gallon aux tank just before landing to top off
the main tanks. This also included a brief period of flight close to 80 MPH
@ 3400 RPM to catch up. My MKIIIC really doesn't like to fly faster than 75
MPH and it appears there is considerable drag reduction, fuel economy by
slowing to 70 MPH.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey
>
> MKIII, 582, 2.58:1 B box, 2 blade 68" Ivo, 4 GPH @ 5,200 rpm & 65 mph
>
> FSII, 582, 2.58:1 B box, 2 blade 68" Ivo, 3.5 GPH @ 4,800 rpm & 62 mph
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260757#260757
>
>
>
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| From: | Jeremy Casey <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us> |
| Subject: | Re: powered and unpowered weights |
The regulations will be academic anyway...if it isn't VERY light and an
immense wingspan human power will not get it off the ground...pound for
pound us humans are pretty pitiful engines
Jeremy
Richard Girard wrote:
> You've answered your own question, I think.
> "an ultralight that was powered by a propeller turned by bicycle
> pedals", powered is powered.
> *
> *
> *Rick
> *
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, > wrote:
>
> *Here's an odd question:*
> **
> * Just say somebody built an ultralight that was powered by a
> propeller turned by bicycle pedals. There is no engine. Would
> this machine need to make the weight of a powered ultralight, 254
> pounds, or an unpowered glider, 155 pounds. ?*
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| Subject: | Re: Another video... |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
I think the distortion of the tail is more the plastic wiggling around...I am going
to take the window out and try this again then we'll know for sure...but
if you watch the tail and the window they seem to move in unison,but we'll see
! I'm thinking of putting the camera on the boom also and see what happens.
chris ambrose
M3X/jab 53+ HRS
n327cs
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing tip failure |
- Mike- I remember that discussion from last year, and the small braces s
eem to be the culprit.- My old Firestar is one of the early ones, and pri
or to my getting it it had been flipped over in a northeaster when a tie do
wn rope broke.- There was also a little rash on it, covered with tape.-
The tip braces in question were not broken on mine, and the builder had wi
red a small block of foam where the braces crossed.- No chafing, either.
- The other wing set that I had was dated about 1989.- Even after my ac
cident, no breakage there, but I seem to remember some rub marks.
- I don't think it is a design problem.- A little care when assembling,
and not over crushing the tube ends would seem to eliminate the problem.
-
- The little foam block was about 3/4" square, and about 1/2" thick.- I
t was held in place with twisted wire.
-
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-------------------- Bill Sullivan
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-------------------- Windsor Locks,
Ct
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-------------------- FS 447
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Transporting a Kolb |
At 11:56 AM 8/30/2009, Tim Warlick wrote:
>
>Found out that I "may" be moving from Mobile, AL to Tucson, AZ.
>
>For those who have transported their Kolbs, should I let the movers try to
>move it in the moving van or should I rent a 26 foot U-Haul truck and
>drive it the 23 hours?
>
>Either way, with the wings folded it is pretty compact. What precautions
>do I need to take?
You REALLY REALLY don't want to trust your plane to movers who know nothing
about aircraft!
I don't know about the later models, but my UltraStar manual has a section
about trailering. The important points are:
-Plane sits on the main wheels.
-Use a padded cradle to support the tail boom, don't rest on the tailwheel
(the folded wings move too much weight aft for the tailwheel to
handle). The padded cradle is right under the folded wing support.
-Secure the wings so they can't slip off the supports.
Why don't you just fly it there?
-Dana
--
"If I knew there were coming to my house a man with the fixed intention
of doing me good I would run for my life." - Thoreau
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Failure? |
Mike B=2C (notice the "B"=2C since there are several Mikes!!)
I agree with you=2C and in adding to your point about "wingtip breakage"
=2C I would also add that because the 5/16" and reinforcing tubes are pop-r
iveted=2C this is one of the main reasons why they break.
In the numerous times I've had to move my MkIII=2C and hangar rash=2C in
general=2C I've had a couple of the 5/16" tubes break at the pop-rivet dril
l hole (on one flap and the elevator). Fortunately=2C these breaks were pr
ior to covering!!
When possible=2C I used the sheet metal tab/pop-rivet method (giving me a
bout 4 rivets)=2C to fasten some of the 5/16" tubes=2C rather than rely on
just one 1/8" rivet.
Now that my Poly Fiber covering and paint are finished=2C I wouldn't imag
ine the fastening points are as sensitive=2C since they don't flex very muc
h.
Mike Welch
MkIII
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wing Tip Failure?
> From: orcabonita(at)hotmail.com
> Date: Tue=2C 1 Sep 2009 10:00:29 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Here are a couple reported cases... Only took me a few minutes to search
and find this. I could probably find more=2C but this will help those that
are interested in this subject will get the idea.
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=39942
>
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "=3BNO FEAR"=3B - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as y
ou could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra=2C 912-S
>
>
>
>
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>
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
UltraStar with Cuyuna ULII-02:
3.3GPH overall (taxi, climb, cruise, landing) with 5800 rpm cruise (50-55 mph).
5 gallons won't give me a hour flight!
Extended slower cruise flights are on my agenda.
-Dana
At 10:21 PM 8/31/2009, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>I'm curious what other kolb pilots are experiencing as their gallon
>per hour fuel burn?
>
>What is your sustained level flight absolute minimum gal, per hr? At
>what engine rpm? And at what cruise speed?
>
>What is your over all "average" gal. per hr. engine rpm, and
>cruise speed?
>
>Please specify the model of your plane and engine when you share your
>statistics.
>
>Statistic from flights of 2 hours or longer will likely be more
>accurate and reliable than shorter flights, but please share whatever
>you personally experience with your plane.
--
"If I knew there were coming to my house a man with the fixed intention
of doing me good I would run for my life." - Thoreau
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| From: | Jeremy Casey <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us> |
| Subject: | Re: always do your preflight! |
>
> I posted a warning about this here on the Kolb List last year. These tangs
have a history of cracking like this. Rans even posted an AD on this same type
tang last year for their aircraft. Rans speculated that this can happen due
to incorrect bending, and over tightening of the tail wires. Rans said these
tangs shoud be inspected with a 10 X magnifying glass, which I do regularly.
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=42213
>
> Attached to this post is a copy of the Rans AD on these tangs.
>
> Rans aircraft have two sets of tail wires, Kolbs only have one set. If one tail
wire were to fail on a Kolb, the airplane would tumble. Given the AD, and
close calls like this one, I recently did the work to install a second set of
tail wires on my Kolb MK III.
>
> Mike
>
>
I believe the "Warning" you refer to was my message dated APRIL 15 2008
that referenced (and attached) the RANS AD about these tangs. I do not
know who Kolb gets them from but RANS does in fact manufacture these
tangs for several other companies...they do NOT use them for the tail
wire purpose anymore. At the last inspection in July of this year I
found another tang that was starting to crack (right through the 2ND and
3RD hole just like the AD says they will, for what it is worth I have
never heard of the tangs with only 1 hole in each end ever having a
failure) For the record this tang had never been REbent and the bend was
located properly per the original plans. I am most likely going to
retrofit my cables to a 4130 steel strap with 1 hole in each end...have
another thought on the subject but haven't decided yet. My application
is a RANS S7 but same setup as Kolb for tail cables. Before anyone says
"That doesn't apply to Kolbs" I want to go ahead and say "bull-doody",
they both are subject to vibration and tension and a myriad of other
forces...and will be subject to the same failures on either plane. Only
difference will be the S7 has another complete set of cables to hold
things in their general location till you get it on the ground (albeit
wiggly)...if a Kolb has a tang failure then I hope you have a BRS.
For what it is worth this is kind of ironic that it is even being
discussed again...When someone has a failure of a particular
manufactured part , you'd think other folks with the same manufactured
part would think "Hey, that might be worth taking a look at!" Come on
guys, don't rationalize that "I did mine right , they are fine!!!"
Waste an hour and inspect those 8 little tangs holding your tail
feathers together (and keeping your TAIL in the air...so to speak)
While we are rehashing old warnings, I'll throw out another that I
mentioned around 2005. MATCO 6" aluminum rims that were optional
upgrades on many Kolbs over the years. If memory serves they were MATCO
model number MH6B and were usually anodized gold. They were a spun rim
and had some problems with the web of the rim cracking out where it bent
around and formed the flange. These were later changed ...the
replacements I got were both thicker material and a different profile
shape as well. I know of 2 that let go in use 1 during an otherwise
nice landing that then caused a pretty spectacular sudden stop...I took
the hint and pulled mine off and broke them down to inspect...lo and
behold one of mine had already cracked about 45 degrees of the web to
flange bend. So I can personally attest to 3 failures or imminent
failures of this part. While you are pulling maintenance , checking
those cable tangs why not pull the rims (if you have that style) and
give them a once over?
I am attaching a picture of my cracked rim to show you where to look...I
drew an ellipse around the crack...
Fly safe,
Jeremy Casey
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA |
John,
I liked the video very much, nice job!
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: 2danglico
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:02 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA
I was inspired by Larry's awesome footage recorded by that tiny
camera. I got one and started playing with it. It's size allowed my to
mount it or hold it easily.It does a good job snapping stills as well. I
also edited in some older footage taken with my dig/cam- I just held it
in my throttle hand. My old old Firestar is flying great, I'll be down
for while for Fuel line/pump change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kimUH_YTyyk
John Tempest
Clemson SC
Firestar 447
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Great Video !!! Are you using Movie Maker to edit???and what format is your video
in ??
chris ambrose
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| From: | William Wheet <fishhawk16(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA |
YOUZER I like makes me wanta do it too
Bill in maine
98 fsII
503
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, 2danglico wrote:
From: 2danglico <john.tempest(at)basf.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:02 PM
I was inspired by Larry's awesome footage recorded by that tiny camera. I g
ot one and started playing with it. It's size allowed my to mount it or hol
d it easily.It does a good job snapping stills as well. I also edited in so
me older footage taken with my dig/cam- I just held it in my throttle hand.
My old old Firestar is flying great, I'll be down for while for Fuel line/
pump change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kimUH_YTyyk
John Tempest
Clemson SC
Firestar 447
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| Subject: | icom radio trouble |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
I have an Icom A24
The radio transmits fine until I install the pigtail and hook up either of my headsets.
Then it squeals like feedback in my ears and to a nearby(200 yards away)
ground station.
I am using the battery when doing this and the radio indicates (TX)
In flight on the Icom power supply it has been reported that they hear my motor
more than me.
I can not hear the side tone any longer.
Reception is fine.
The pig tail show no connection from any terminal to any other terminal.
Perhaps a short occurs when I install the jacks.
Does any one have any ideas on this?
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: icom radio trouble |
Some radios have to be programmed to turn the internal mike off...Herb
At 08:28 PM 9/1/2009, you wrote:
>
>I have an Icom A24
>The radio transmits fine until I install the pigtail and hook up
>either of my headsets. Then it squeals like feedback in my ears and
>to a nearby(200 yards away) ground station.
>I am using the battery when doing this and the radio indicates (TX)
>In flight on the Icom power supply it has been reported that they
>hear my motor more than me.
>I can not hear the side tone any longer.
>Reception is fine.
>The pig tail show no connection from any terminal to any other terminal.
>Perhaps a short occurs when I install the jacks.
>Does any one have any ideas on this?
>
>--------
>Dale Whelan
>503 powered Firestar II
>Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260936#260936
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>09/01/09 20:03:00
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: icom radio trouble |
At 09:28 PM 9/1/2009, dalewhelan wrote:
>
>I have an Icom A24
>The radio transmits fine until I install the pigtail and hook up either of
>my headsets. Then it squeals...
I had the same problem, all A24's do it. It's RF feedback in the mike
cable. The only way to fix it is to remote the antenna. It doesn't have
to be far; I bought a 6' cable and a connector at Radio Shack and put the
original rubber duck antenna at the end. It's only about 2' from the
radio, the rest of the cable is coiled up, but it takes care of the problem.
I made a plastic block to clamp the connector and mounted the antenna,
pointing straight down, under the fuel tanks (under my knees in the UltraStar.
I've heard that [only] a couple of expensive David Clark headsets don't
have this problem with the A24.
People can hear me fine when I transmit, but I've only ever used the
internal battery. If you're getting engine noise on external power, you
probably need some kind of filter on the power supply.
Dana
--
Freedom means letting other people do things you don't like.
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA |
John, that was really well done.
I took 30 minutes of vid today in perfect weather, got home and
looked....... aimed poorly, lots of clouds.
maybe tomorrow.
BB
btw, right after I took off a Kolb passed overhead in the other
direction. A rare occurrence around here.
On 1, Sep 2009, at 12:02 PM, 2danglico wrote:
>
> I was inspired by Larry's awesome footage recorded by that tiny
> camera. I got one and started playing with it. It's size allowed my
> to mount it or hold it easily.It does a good job snapping stills as
> well. I also edited in some older footage taken with my dig/cam- I
> just held it in my throttle hand. My old old Firestar is flying
> great, I'll be down for while for Fuel line/pump change.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kimUH_YTyyk
>
> John Tempest
> Clemson SC
> Firestar 447
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260825#260825
>
>
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| Subject: | Project posted on Barnstormers |
| From: | Charles Davis <ceddavis(at)gmail.com> |
There were a few nibbles, but no bites, so I've re-listed by Firefly project
on Barnstomers.
http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_328593_Kolb+Firefly+Project.html
This is an excellent project for some one looking to get a high performance
plane at an economical price. $4000 get's you just about everything you
need to get into the air except the engine, including wings (covered), cage,
boom tube and assembled tail feathers, nose cone and instruments. This is
less then 1/2 price to buy new.
Chuck Davis
Firefly N7057K
Flying, not building
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| Subject: | Re: icom radio trouble |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
Dana thanks for the reply.
I have been using the radio with a six foot antenna cable for about a year, antenna
pointing down from the nose. it just started acting up Monday.
It squeals on the battery with the external antenna.
One headset is David Clark (Older)
Motor noise has not been a problem since I installed BR8ES plugs, resistor caps,
and wrapped the plug wires.
I am planning to inspect and or replace the plugs and caps as they have 100 hours
on them.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| Subject: | Kolb List I need a Part |
| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
Anyone on the list got a Cap that fits the oil injection tank?on ?a 582 Rotax I
have one on order but it looks like it will be a while there on backorder and
they don't know when they will be coming in, I have cash waiting for your cap
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: William Wheet <fishhawk16(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:38 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA
YOUZER I like makes me wanta do it too
Bill in maine
98 fsII
503
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, 2danglico wrote:
From: 2danglico <john.tempest(at)basf.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:02 PM
I was inspired by Larry's awesome footage recorded by that tiny camera. I got one
and started playing with it. It's size allowed my to mount it or hold it easily.It
does a good job snapping stills as well. I also edited in some older footage
taken with my dig/cam- I just held it in my throttle hand. My old old Firestar
is flying great, I'll be down for while for Fuel line/pump change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kimUH_YTyyk
John Tempest
Clemson SC
Firestar 447
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: icom radio trouble |
Check for a short that is causing the radio to be in transmit mode.
Other than that your mikes in the headset are directional, most use them
one way for tractors, the reverse for pushers.
Good Luck
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: dalewhelan
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: icom radio trouble
Dana thanks for the reply.
I have been using the radio with a six foot antenna cable for about a
year, antenna pointing down from the nose. it just started acting up
Monday.
It squeals on the battery with the external antenna.
One headset is David Clark (Older)
Motor noise has not been a problem since I installed BR8ES plugs,
resistor caps, and wrapped the plug wires.
I am planning to inspect and or replace the plugs and caps as they
have 100 hours on them.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
> I'm curious what other kolb pilots are experiencing as their gallon
> per hour fuel burn?
>
>
>
> Eugene Zimmerman
Gene/Gang:
582
5800
5.5 gph
912UL
5000
4 gph
912ULS
5000
5 gph
447
5800
3.75 gph
Cuyuna ULII02
5800
3.5 gph
UH-1H
600 lbs/100 gph
AH-1G
600 lbs/100 gph
Forgot all the rest. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Marion, IL
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One step closer |
> The FAA really blew it this time. I'm now officially a Sport Pilot. Now
> back to covering the M3X...
>
> --------
> Scott
Well, do you feel any sportier? ;-)
Congratulations.
john h
mkIII
Marion, IL
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Failure? |
> Here are a couple reported cases... Only took me a few minutes to search
> and find this. I could probably find more, but this will help those that
> are interested in this subject will get the idea.
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=39942
>
>
> Mike
Mike B/Gang:
The referenced brace that broke, in my opinion, is not structural.
Its primary function is to keep from pulling the bow tip aft during
shrinking of the fabric.
Dennis S can correct me if I am wrong.
Without this tube, the bow tip is not any weaker.
That is not a wing tip/bow tip failure.
john h
mkIII
Marion, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA |
| From: | "2danglico" <john.tempest(at)basf.com> |
Chris,
Yep, my daughter (14 yrs, & an accomplished you tube star producer) gave me a crash
course on windows movie maker. It was fun piecing it together. The file loaded
up from the the tiny "Larry cam" was a wmv file and worked fine. The video
from my dig-cam uploaded in a MOV file and had to be converted before windows
mm could work with it.
Thanks for the comments, and I encourage everyone to make a video and post it.
I enjoy seeing how varied the terrain is in different parts.
John Tempest
Firestar 447
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
| From: | "2danglico" <john.tempest(at)basf.com> |
I'd like to weigh in, although my #'s are less than impressive by what I've seen
so far.
Original Firestar
447 2.58:1
66" Culver
5500 rpm
63 mph
3.3 GPH
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA |
Larry,
liked the shots very much but I obviously missed the post about the
camera. What is it please?
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Transporting a Kolb |
Definitely do not trust removers.
Go and have a look at the local glider peoples trailers and adapt some
of their fittings.
They trail more than we do.
Personally I would detach the wings. Just folding them transfers a lot
of weight to the rear wheel.
Strips or small pieces of carpet are invaluable.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb List I need a Part |
Ellery, you`re in luck. I got a used one, you can have it for a buck, if
you`ll pay for the postage & mailing envelope.
send me your address if you want it & I`ll get it out, probably
tomorrow.
Jim Kmet
Cookeville, TN
MK-3C 912
----- Original Message -----
From: Ellery Batchelder Jr
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:44 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List I need a Part
Anyone on the list got a Cap that fits the oil injection tank on a
582 Rotax I have one on order but it looks like it will be a while there
on backorder and they don't know when they will be coming in, I have
cash waiting for your cap
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: William Wheet <fishhawk16(at)yahoo.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:38 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA
YOUZER I like makes me wanta do it too
Bill in maine
98 fsII
503
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, 2danglico wrote:
From: 2danglico <john.tempest(at)basf.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar Video Upstate SC/GA
To: kolb-list@matronics..com
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:02 PM
I was inspired by Larry's awesome footage recorded by that
tiny camera. I got one and started playing with it. It's size allowed my
to mount it or hold it easily.It does a good job snapping stills as
well. I also edited in some older footage taken with my dig/cam- I just
held it in my throttle hand. My old old Firestar is flying great, I'll
be down for while for Fuel line/pump change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kimUH_YTyyk
John Tempest
Clemson SC
Firestar 447
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I did another constant rpm flight today at a slower airspeed.
2352 RPM
65 mph TAS
2200' Density Altitude
1.6 hours flight time, including taxi etc.
4.75 gallons consumed
~22 miles per gallon
Earlier numbers at higher speed:
2640 RPM
80 mph TAS
2,400' Density Altitude
1.5 hours flight time, including taxi etc
5.5 gallons consumed
~22 mpg
I am surprised that my MPG is virtually identical to the run at 80 mph. I was expecting
at least a little better mpg at the slower speed. Perhaps the sweet spot
for my airplane is somewhere in the middle of that range. Next flight I'll
split the difference and fly at about 72-73 mph and see if there is any difference.
Could be that it is a 22 mpg airplane, no matter what airspeed I fly in
this range.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: icom radio trouble |
> I have been using the radio with a six foot antenna cable for about a
year, antenna pointing down from the nose. it just started acting up Monday.
> It squeals on the battery with the external antenna.
>
> Dale Whelan
Dale W/Gang:
Many times a squeal will indicate a poor ground when the transmit button is
pushed.
john h
mkIII
Junction, KS
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: icom radio trouble |
If you're getting engine noise on external power, you
> probably need some kind of filter on the power supply.
>
> Dana
Dale W/Dana/Gang:
A nice big capacitor between the reg/rec, about 20,000 mf, resistor spark
plugs, and resistor spark plug caps (no...you won't fall out of the sky
running resistor plugs and caps) will take care of a lot of the ign and
alternator noise from the Rotax.
john h
mkIII
Junction, KS - Home of the Big Red One, 1st Infantry Division
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: icom radio trouble |
>
Dale,
I had a similar problem, see:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly110.html
One can purchase these split ferrite chokes at:
http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/category/235/Ferrites/1.html
Purchase one that will let you loop the head set or microphone switch cord
through the split two times, and place it as close to the radio socket as
possible. I believe you will like the results.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: New Kolb Group , free site |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
No thanks.....one is enough....
Good luck !
chris ambrose
M3X/jab
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| Subject: | Re: icom radio trouble |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
I had to laugh at myself, I said it has been working for 1 year.
Let me paint a more accurate picture, it has been working for the past 130 hours.
I have BR8ES spark plugs, NGK TB05EMA plug caps and wrapped plug wires with a condenser
on @ the regulator rectifier.
A remote antenna, can't hear a side tone when I transmit. I hear no motor noise
but a pilot said he did.
I haven't used the little ferite magnet but have not had problems before now.
It stand to reason something has changed but I don't know what.
I expect Icom will be getting in touch with me soon.
As soon as I get a solution I will relate it.
I had no troubles with it when I flew a week ago.
Thanks for the advice.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| Subject: | Re: One step closer |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
Sometimes I am pretty smart, that was not one of those times. Congrats on you license.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
Being new to this stuff I was surprised to find GPH was the same in my plane from
50-70. Then I realized the power setting in my plane is the same for all those
speeds when I have a passenger (my back seat is seldom empty) My best fuel
economy is @ 70.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
I know very little about the subject if anything.
I have read that drooped wing tips can improve STOL characteristics and the penalty
is spin recovery.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
Kolb MkIIIC w/ 912ULS
I normally cruise at 75... that's around 4500 rpm, and 3.8 gph
At 85, about 5000 rpm, and 4.2 gph.
Don't have info, yet, on slow.
-- Robert
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
> All Kolbers,
>
> I'm curious what other kolb pilots are experiencing as their gallon per
> hour fuel burn?
>
> What is your sustained level flight absolute minimum gal, per hr? At what
> engine rpm? And at what cruise speed?
>
> What is your over all "average" gal. per hr. engine rpm, and cruise
> speed?
>
> Please specify the model of your plane and engine when you share your
> statistics.
>
> Statistic from flights of 2 hours or longer will likely be more accurate
> and reliable than shorter flights, but please share whatever you personally
> experience with your plane.
>
>
> Eugene Zimmerman
>
>
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
At 07:17 PM 9/1/2009, you wrote:
>
>Somebody got a quote from this place today...
>
> I paid $160 for 8 Turnbarrels... at ACS
>
> The place your saying that's cheaper , wanted $207 for the same thing
>.
>.
>Gotta Fly...
>Mike & "Jaz" in MN
I had all my cables swaged this way ( elevator, rudder and tail wires)
by a guy near Aircraft Spruce in Griffin Ga.
He supplies the cables and fittings.
done with a rotary swaging tool
Did not cost as much as you think and looks real clean.
He does need to know the length from "hole to hole" on the attachment
points and they are only adjustable about an inch before you'll have to
start twisting the cables again. There is only a turnbuckle "pressed
on" on one end.
I'm sure there are people like him all over the country.
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| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful information
and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to
know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually
replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your
age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.
I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Possums writes:
> I had all my cables swaged this way ( elevator, rudder and tail wires) by a guy
near Aircraft Spruce in Griffin Ga. He supplies the cables and fittings. done
with a rotary swaging tool
Possums,
I like the added safety factor of your dual-bracing set up. Could you please take
a close up pic of the cable ends on both the fork and turnbuckle sides and
post it?
Thanks -
--------
Jimmy Young
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261172#261172
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: aging Kolbers |
- Age 59, turning 60 on September 9th.- A good survey item, indicating
the future of the sport.
-
-------------------------
-------------------- Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
-------------------- Windsor Locks,
Ct.
-------------------------
-------------------- FS 447
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Sharp <kolbdriver(at)mlsharp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Thom,=0A=0AI'm 44.- =0A=0ANot sure if I'm one to replace any aging Kolber
s or not, but i hope to be flying for a very long time.. =0A-=0Ado not ar
chive=0A-=0AMike=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: T
hom Riddle =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thurs
day, September 3, 2009 6:14:10 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers=0A=0A
nce this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful informati
on and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curi
ous to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to
gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please res
pond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the
results. =0A=0AI am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead
of me.=0A=0A--------=0AThom Riddle=0ABuffalo, NY=0AKolb Slingshot SS-021=0A
Jabiru 2200A #1574=0ATennessee Prop 66x34=0A=0AA complex system that works
is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.=0A-
- John Gaule=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.
-========================
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| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Jim Kmet, 50
Cookeville, TN
912-Mk3C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 6:14 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long
> time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers
> coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't
> mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll
> compile and post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
> simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
You know, if you guys want to do polls, at least use some of the free
technology around!
I've set this up -- took me about 3 minutes... MUCH easier to see what the
poll is about, it self-organizes, and self-reports.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..
<http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..>
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
> I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
> along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
> please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
> post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
> simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
68
BB
On 3, Sep 2009, at 7:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very
> long time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of
> youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually replace aging oldster
> Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If
> this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved
> from a simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: aging Kolbers |
Age 69
Frank Goodnight
Firestar2
Brownsville, TX
On Sep 3, 2009, at 6:21 AM, william sullivan wrote:
> Age 59, turning 60 on September 9th. A good survey item,
> indicating the future of the sport.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
73
I really didn't start serious flying until flying until I was 63. I thought
I was on the old side and I worry that not many young people are taking up
the sport. But may be and old retired man's sport. Then every once in a
while I hear a little half VW going over head pulling a Hummel Bird. The
fellow flying it is 91 and so I think I may have a few years yet to
fly.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
Does anyone close to East TN have an enclosed cargo trailer that will fit a
Kolb Mark 3 Classic, that is roadworthy and could be rented for a week.
Thanks Steve Simmons 423-748-4336.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
The form has 7 responses so far:
16-2000%21-2900%30-3900%40-4500%46-5000%51-55114%56-59229%60-65229%66-70229%
71-7500%76-8000%81-8500%86-9000%91-9500%96-10000%
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Robert,
I've tallied the 8 responses so far and have the following to report, so far.
Max age 73
Min age 44
Mean age 61.8
Median age 64.5
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261213#261213
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> No multi hole tangs, either. Those things went out with the standard Rogallo
in '76. Make your cables per the Kolb plans and you'll be just fine. Extra cables
are extra weight, not extra safety.
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
Rick,
My cables were made per Kolb plans, and they came with multi hole tangs. You contradict
yourself... Your claim about extra cables no providing extra safety
is just plain wrong and dangerous advice. Almost every airplane in the world
that uses wire braced tails uses two sets of wires, there is a good reason for
this. Given Jimmy Youngs recent picture, I am surprised to see a statement
like yours from anyone. Had that tang let go, an extra set of tail bracing wires
would have prevented a crash and almost certain death.
You recently very wrongly posted that we could not tell if properly designed wingtips
would improve the flying characteristics of a Kolb, and that it is not
worth doing. Now you post advice that is downright dangerous and false. If
people do not want to improve the safety of their Kolbs by adding an extra set
of tail wires, that is their choice. But you should not be making dangerous
and materially false statements that will prevent people that want to make their
make their Kolbs as safe as possible from doing so. You recently complained
about my posts not being " Nice " while you post false information here that
could get someone killed...
Given the picture below, and many documented cases of tang, swage, and wire failures
in aviation history, Possums extra set of tail wires are a great idea, and
a great safety improvement to his Kolb at a very minimal weight.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261231#261231
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/tangtailbrokenkolb_125.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Thompson <eagle1live(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: robert bean <slyck@
frontiernet.net>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, September
3, 2009 6:02:01 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers=0A=0A--> Kolb-Li
st message posted by: robert bean =0A=0A68=0ABB=0A
=0AOn 3, Sep 2009, at 7:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:=0A=0A> --> Kolb-List mess
age posted by: "Thom Riddle" =0A> =0A> Since this forum
has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful information and I'd lik
e very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to know if
there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually rep
lace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your
age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.=0A>
=0A> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.=0A>
=0A> --------=0A> Thom Riddle=0A> Buffalo, NY=0A> Kolb Slingshot SS-021=0A
> Jabiru 2200A #1574=0A> Tennessee Prop 66x34=0A> =0A> A complex system tha
t works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works
.=0A>- - John Gaule=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:
=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170=0A>
- - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
======0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
I am 45 FSII
My buddy Greg is 45 FS tricycle
My buddy Chuck is 60 FSII
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | "Nelson, Craig" <craig.nelson(at)heraeus.com> |
Uncle craig
59
Don't archive
Technical Manager
Heraeus
300 Heraeus Way
South Bend, IN.
46614
Direct: 623-764-0680
Craig.Nelson(at)heraeus.com
P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:39 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
Robert,
I've tallied the 8 responses so far and have the following to report, so
far.
Max age 73
Min age 44
Mean age 61.8
Median age 64.5
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
simple system that works.
- John Gaule
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261213#261213
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Thompson <eagle1live(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
--- Would you like to add me? I built and flew Kolbs, a Firestar and
a Firestar II until I was 82.=0A--- The Old Az. Bald Eagle=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: robert bean <slyck@frontiern
et.net>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 6
:02:01 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers=0A=0A--> Kolb-List messag
e posted by: robert bean =0A=0A68=0ABB=0A=0AOn 3, Se
p 2009, at 7:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:=0A=0A> --> Kolb-List message posted
by: "Thom Riddle" =0A> =0A> Since this forum has been s
uch a remarkable source of mostly useful information and I'd like very much
for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to know if there are
a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually replace aging
oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If th
is gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.=0A> =0A> I am on
ly 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.=0A> =0A> ------
--=0A> Thom Riddle=0A> Buffalo, NY=0A> Kolb Slingshot SS-021=0A> Jabiru 220
0A #1574=0A> Tennessee Prop 66x34=0A> =0A> A complex system that works is i
nvariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.=0A>- - J
ohn Gaule=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> htt
p://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>
=========================0A
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=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Mike Welch=2C 56=2C starting to fly in 1996. Got my private pilot's licens
e on Christmas eve=2C '96.
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> .
>
> Challenger did the same thing just
> before I sold mine. I would like to know how much was increased effeciency
> and how much was cosmetic. I reckon its like spoilers on cars. Useful on
> racing cars but a dead loss on a normal vehicle. They look nice but don`t
> achieve anything but no one will admit it and take them off.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
Properly designed wingtips are not anything like Spoilers on Cars. Almost every
airplane in production today has properly designed wingtips on them, how do
you compare that to a few sports cars with spoilers ??? This is not even close
to valid comparison.
You ask about the Challenger, and yet we just got a report on that...
smlplanet(at)msn.com wrote:
>
>
> drooped win tips on myChallenger11 CWS and it made a world of differance and
have been thinking about installing them on the Mk 111 also.
>
> Ross R
>
How did you ignore this report on the improved wingtips on a Challenger just a
few post back ? Just the same way you have ignored the mountains of evidence
that show the benefit of properly designed wingtips on GA and LSA airplanes.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261248#261248
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
<>
Get your knees brown, Mike.
First flew June 1964. 80 last Monday. Haven`t flown for 3 weeks Wx has
been terrible and the winds today are 50/60 mph. Heigh Ho
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
At 07:14 AM 9/3/2009, Thom Riddle wrote:
>So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough
>response I'll compile and post the results.
49. Soloed at 16, PPL at 17
-Dana
--
Artificial intelligence usually beats real stupidity.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
Fran Losey...just turned 47
------Original Message------
From: Dana Hague
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sep 3, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
At 07:14 AM 9/3/2009, Thom Riddle wrote:
>So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough
>response I'll compile and post the results.
49. Soloed at 16, PPL at 17
-Dana
--
Artificial intelligence usually beats real stupidity.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
42, Started flying Pterodactyls at 15 in 1982 and finally got my private
ticket in 1994 I think it was.
Doing more child raising than flying lately but thats just fine with me.
Dennis Rowe, Mk-3, Loehle Sport Parasol
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:14 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long
> time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers
> coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't
> mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll
> compile and post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
> simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
05:50:00
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| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Thom,
G.Aman 71yrs pvt ticket in 1954
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 7:14 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful information
and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to
know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually
replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your
age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.
I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
- John Gaule
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Mike,
You really need to take a course in "How to disagree with someone".Your usual openers,Only
a moron,or only an idiot,keep you from being the most regarded person
on the list.Personally attacking the intelligence,intentions,or opinions of
others is another one.You'll never build yourself up by tearing everyone else
down.Just a thought,no offense.....
? G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: JetPilot <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:12 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware
aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> No multi hole tangs, either. Those things went out with the standard Rogallo
in '76. Make your cables per the Kolb plans and you'll be just fine. Extra
cables are extra weight, not extra safety.
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
Rick,
My cables were made per Kolb plans, and they came with multi hole tangs. You
contradict yourself... Your claim about extra cables no providing extra safety
is just plain wrong and dangerous advice. Almost every airplane in the world
that uses wire braced tails uses two sets of wires, there is a good reason for
this. Given Jimmy Youngs recent picture, I am surprised to see a statement like
yours from anyone. Had that tang let go, an extra set of tail bracing wires
would have prevented a crash and almost certain death.
You recently very wrongly posted that we could not tell if properly designed
wingtips would improve the flying characteristics of a Kolb, and that it is not
worth doing. Now you post advice that is downright dangerous and false. If
people do not want to improve the safety of their Kolbs by adding an extra set
of tail wires, that is their choice. But you should not be making dangerous and
materially false statements that will prevent people that want to make their
make their Kolbs as safe as possible from doing so. You recently complained
about my posts not being " Nice " while you post false information here that
could get someone killed...
Given the picture below, and many documented cases of tang, swage, and wire
failures in aviation history, Possums extra set of tail wires are a great idea,
and a great safety improvement to his Kolb at a very minimal weight.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261231#261231
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/tangtailbrokenkolb_125.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jmmy Hankinson" <jhankin(at)planters.net> |
Jimmy Hankinson
Age 72 September 26, 2009.
Flying Kolb Firefly since 1999, N6007L.
Flying RC since 1970.
Rocky Ford, Georgia.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
As of this posting I have the following data.
24 responses
eldest age 83 when he quit flying
eldest still flying a Kolb 78
youngest 19 but he sold his
next youngest 23 but not yet flying a Kolb, but he has one awaiting him at home
mean age 55.8
median age 58.5
The most important number that I was hoping to get at is the following:
Approx 58% are younger than 60!
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261322#261322
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
62.
Hopefully will be in the air next summer with the Mark IIIX.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261323#261323
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: icom radio trouble |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
dalewhelan wrote:
>
> ===SNIP===
> .....can't hear a side tone when I transmit.
> ===SNIP===
>
Dale et al:
Don't know about the rest of the stuff, but the side tone issue happened recently
with a local. The slide switch on the headset had been moved to stereo.
He put it back to mono and worked fine.
Might not be your problem, but worth a look.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | "R Harris" <kolbdriver(at)whti.net> |
Will be 64 8 SEPT 09
Finished my MK3 in 1995
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
At 06:45 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>Mike,
>You really need to take a course in "How to disagree with
>someone".Your usual openers,Only a moron,or only an idiot,keep you
>from being the most regarded person on the list.Personally attacking
>the intelligence,intentions,or opinions of others is another
>one.You'll never build yourself up by tearing everyone else
>down.Just a thought,no offense.....
> G.Aman
>
><orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
> Almost every airplane in the world
>
>that uses wire braced tails uses two sets of wires, there is a good
>reason for
>
>this.
Yeah - you "moron's and idiots" would need to build the tail
different from the start
to have the two sets of tail wires anyway.
It's really not something you could go back & change. Gotta have the
"sleeves" inside the
tubes where the bolts go thru (that are attached to the tangs) before
you rivet the ribs, etc.
Anyway, I was just suggesting a different way to build the wires on
the tail, not so much the tail
itself. It's pretty much standard aircraft stuff. I think the 8 tail
wires cost about $25 each.
Not cheap, but affordable & nice and clean. You couldn't break them
in a Kolb ......or a Pitts.
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| From: | Flycrazy8(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Stephen Baxley is 55
_www.southernflyersul.com_ (http://www.southernflyersul.com)
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Just turned The the big 60.
Having the time of my life flying almost every day this week with another
Kolb flyer.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: <loseyf(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
> Fran Losey...just turned 47
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dana Hague
> Sender: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> ReplyTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sep 3, 2009 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
>
> At 07:14 AM 9/3/2009, Thom Riddle wrote:
>>So, if you don't mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough
>>response I'll compile and post the results.
>
> 49. Soloed at 16, PPL at 17
>
> -Dana
> --
> Artificial intelligence usually beats real stupidity.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Possums wrote:
>
>
> Yeah - you "moron's and idiots" would need to build the tail different from
the start
> to have the two sets of tail wires anyway.
> .
I thought about taking my tail apart to get the sleeves in, but decided that was
going to take way to much work, might as well build a new tail. For those that
don't like the idea of their tangs breaking as in the picture below, there
is a solution. Given the importance of this subject, I will start a new thread
on it.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
39
I think Grant would be the youngest currently flying a Kolb unless he sold his
already.
I gave the controls to my 17-year-old son the other day and he did a really good
job. He doesn't show a great interest in flying however.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
chris ambrose 58
houghton Lake Mi
2500hrs + flight hrs
54+ in a kolb
Cristal....you are just a puppy !! lol
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: turnbuckles and aircraft hardware |
At 10:14 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>
> > Yeah - you "moron's and idiots" would need to build the tail
> different from the start
> > to have the two sets of tail wires anyway.
> > .
>
>
>I thought about taking my tail apart to get the sleeves in, but
>decided that was going to take way to much work, might as well build
>a new tail.
>
>Mike
>
>--------
I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't have done it - if I hadn't had to do a
total rebuild anyway.
The old Firestar was fine the way it was - but it's nice to add all
the little things
you would like to have after you've been in the old one for years. "4
inch wider
cockpit is nice, a 505 dual carb, a 3 blade warp, different wing
tips, VG's, custom wires,
............but I still got my old nose cone & stick & same ribs
(just 8 instead of 5) per
wing. I still miss the good times in my old 447 sometimes. But the
new one is better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXVPO53BHrc
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| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
beauford wrote:
> Miss Cristal:
> One other thing you might consider checking on the carb which is
> running rich is the enrichment or
> "choke" piston. If this little piston is not fully seating due to
> misadjusted cable, crud in
> the seat, or deteriorated rubber seal in the base of the piston, it
> can easily produce the
> symptoms you describe. A small leak in the enrichment circuit can
> produce substantial effects.
>
> Worth what ye paid fer it...
>
> beauford
> FF-076
> Brandon, FL
>
> ---
Beauford, This advice was worth MUCH more than what I paid fer it! Thank you!
I also thank Ronnie Smith at MSLA because as soon as I told him my most recent
symptoms (advancing the throttle and no or very poor response), he mentioned
it seemed to be running too rich for the altitude. He first suggested changing
the idle jet. So I was actually taking my carbs off to see what size jets
I had when I discovered that choke seal on my front carb was totally deteriorated.
See the pics.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Given the recent very close call by one of our fellow Kolb flyers, this issue needs
to be brought to everyones attention. I wonder if Jimmy Young knows how
close to death he was on his last flight with a cracked tang ? Fortunately, Jimmy
did a good preflight and caught the problem before it killed him. Kolbs
have a single set of tail brace wires, this was done for easy folding of the tail
but also has the disadvantage of being very dangerous. With a single set
of tail wires, any breakage is most likely to be fatal. Almost all airplanes
built, including ultralight type planes have a dual set of tail brace wires, this
is considered good design and is done for a couple important reasons, the
most important being that if one wire or tang fails the tail will not collapse
and will give the pilot a really good chance of keeping control of his plane
and landing safely.
In professional aviation and the airlines, the absence of accidents does not mean
that there is not a large danger. Reports of problems, and many near accidents
is regarded as an accident waiting to happen, and these problems are fixed
before people get killed. We have a pattern like this developing with our
Kolb Tail wires. Over the years, there have been reports of Tail wires coming
loose, or very nearly so, resulting in some very near accidents. Last year,
Rans put out an AD on their tail wire tangs ( See Attachment ) for many reported
cases of cracks and even complete breakages, the same Tangs many of our Kolbs
use. Luckily, Rans aircraft have dual tail brace wires, our Kolbs do not.
I posted on this subject last year, and problems continue. Last week, Jimmy
Young found one of his tangs had broken half way through, and was VERY close to
failing totally, had his last flight been longer, there is a good chance he
would have had a totally uncontrollable, tumbling airplane and would have crashed.
The other problem area that has been cropping up from time to time is that
the removable bolt that holds the tail tangs at the bottom of the rudder has
come loose for various reasons on several occasions. There are several reasons
that this happens, but the important point here is that despite everyones
best efforts, IT HAPPENS... Tail wires also corrode and break over time, it
has happened many times on other aircraft models.
Having followed this problem over the years, last month I finally modified my MK
III Xtra to have dual tail brace wires, something I have wanted to do for a
long time. I attached the wires at the same distance out on the tail as the original
tail wires, and made the bottom attachment totally independent from the
original set of wires so as not to induce any single point that can fail. The
tail tubes on a Kolb have inserts where the tang bolts go through to strengthen
the tail at these attachment points. Not wanting to take my tail completely
apart, I used larger sized tubing and put the sleeves on the outside of the
original tubes. I also used Aircraft structural epoxy so that these doublers
would stay very tightly attached to the tail structure, see pictures. The
result of this modification is that my tail will stay in place and flyable in
the case of any tang, or wire breaking. Several Kolbs on the list have this
modification, and it is a really good idea. Doing this modification and repairing
and patching the fabric after the fact is not beautiful, the doublers do
stick out of the tail tubes a bit, but safety is far more important to me than
having a perfect finish. If you do not want to, or are not capable of doing
this modification to your, you should inspect these tangs per the RANS AD attached,
and keep your tail brace wires in new condition.
As always, modifications to existing designs are purely experimental and can be
deadly if not engineered and constructed correctly. Do not attempt a modification
like this without doing the research, and getting expert help if necessary.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Given the recent very close call by one of our fellow Kolb flyers, this issue needs
to be brought to everyones attention. I wonder if Jimmy Young knows how
close to death he was on his last flight with a cracked tang ? Fortunately, Jimmy
did a good preflight and caught the problem before it killed him. Kolbs
have a single set of tail brace wires, this was done for easy folding of the tail
but also has the disadvantage of being very dangerous. With a single set
of tail wires, any breakage is most likely to be fatal. Almost all airplanes
built, including ultralight type planes have a dual set of tail brace wires, this
is considered good design and is done for a couple important reasons, the
most important being that if one wire or tang fails the tail will not collapse
and will give the pilot a really good chance of keeping control of his plane
and landing safely.
In professional aviation and the airlines, the absence of accidents does not mean
that there is not a large danger. Reports of problems, and many near accidents
is regarded as an accident waiting to happen, and these problems are fixed
before people get killed. We have a pattern like this developing with our
Kolb Tail wires. Over the years, there have been reports of Tail wires coming
loose, or very nearly so, resulting in some very near accidents. Last year,
Rans put out an AD on their tail wire tangs ( See Attachment ) for many reported
cases of cracks and even complete breakages, the same Tangs many of our Kolbs
use. Luckily, Rans aircraft have dual tail brace wires, our Kolbs do not.
I posted on this subject last year, and problems continue. Last week, Jimmy
Young found one of his tangs had broken half way through, and was VERY close to
failing totally, had his last flight been longer, there is a good chance he
would have had a totally uncontrollable, tumbling airplane and would have crashed.
The other problem area that has been cropping up from time to time is that
the removable bolt that holds the tail tangs at the bottom of the rudder has
come loose for various reasons on several occasions. There are several reasons
that this happens, but the important point here is that despite everyones
best efforts, IT HAPPENS... Tail wires also corrode and break over time, it
has happened many times on other aircraft models.
Having followed this problem over the years, last month I finally modified my MK
III Xtra to have dual tail brace wires, something I have wanted to do for a
long time. I attached the wires at the same distance out on the tail as the original
tail wires, and made the bottom attachment totally independent from the
original set of wires so as not to induce any single point that can fail. The
tail tubes on a Kolb have inserts where the tang bolts go through to strengthen
the tail at these attachment points. Not wanting to take my tail completely
apart, I used larger sized tubing and put the sleeves on the outside of the
original tubes. I also used Aircraft structural epoxy so that these doublers
would stay very tightly attached to the tail structure, see pictures. The
result of this modification is that my tail will stay in place and flyable in
the case of any tang, or wire breaking. Several Kolbs on the list have this
modification, and it is a really good idea. Doing this modification and repairing
and patching the fabric after the fact is not beautiful, the doublers do
stick out of the tail tubes a bit, but safety is far more important to me than
having a perfect finish. If you do not want to, or are not capable of doing
this modification to your, you should inspect these tangs per the RANS AD attached,
and keep your tail brace wires in new condition.
As always, modifications to existing designs are purely experimental and can be
deadly if not engineered and constructed correctly. Do not attempt a modification
like this without doing the research, and getting expert help if necessary.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Tail wheel support and brace |
Some time ago John H suggested a fix for the tail wheel post and brace.
It involved a brace from the tail wheel bolt to the collar on the tail
boom. I should of paid more attention.
On the morning of Sept first, I was intending to go check the neighbors
cows in the Pot Hole field to make sure none of them were bogged in any
of the sink holes. Saves them some trouble and time and gives me an
excuse to go fly.
As I was doing my preflight I noticed that the tail wheel assembly was
wobbling. Sure enough the aluminum tube at the end of the steel collar
was broken and the tail post was broken where it was connected to the
collar on the tube.
I have 500.6 hours on the plane and most of it was on dirt, not grass,
Dirt! Here it is soft and the worst side loads on the tail wheel are
right in front of the hanger.
I now have it repaired, and this time I applied the side braces that
John recommended. If you have not already done so, I would suggest that
you make it a priority, because it is a pain to repair, but really easy
to prevent.
I sleeved the tube and welded the tail post. Of course the problem is
the fabric repair.
These two little braces are easy to make and install, the repair is a
pain in the butt.
Larry
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
I posted to the Google listing, but I am soon to be 65, started in 1997,
Sport pilot lic.
Larry C
----- Original Message -----
From: Thom Riddle
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
As of this posting I have the following data.
24 responses
eldest age 83 when he quit flying
eldest still flying a Kolb 78
youngest 19 but he sold his
next youngest 23 but not yet flying a Kolb, but he has one awaiting
him at home
mean age 55.8
median age 58.5
The most important number that I was hoping to get at is the
following:
Approx 58% are younger than 60!
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
simple system that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
At 11:15 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>
>Given the recent very close call by one of our fellow Kolb flyers,
>this issue needs to be brought to everyones attention.-snip-
>
>In professional aviation and the airlines, the absence of accidents
>does not mean that there is not a large danger. Reports of
>problems, and many near accidents is regarded as an accident waiting
>to happen, and these problems are fixed before people get
>killed. We have a pattern like this developing with our Kolb Tail wires.
I would defer to Dennis as the ultimate authority on any of the
changes the we "think" might improve the original structural design.
If you change/strengthen one thing - you weaken another. You just
move the problem to another area. I only know
of one person who was willing to tear the wings off of a Kolb in
flight - on purpose (not with sandbags on the ground) and
trust a chute to carry him down. This was done to find the weak link
in the design. The "weak link" was fixed years ago and
by weak - I mean more G's than you might ever do..
Most of the stuff I have done is cosmetic or just for looks/comfort.
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| From: | "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
A young 55
Tony
Downunder
MK111C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:14 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long
> time, I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers
> coming along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't
> mind, please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll
> compile and post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
> simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Wow! Eight more added their ages since my last compilation.
As of now...
32 responders
5 at 70 and older
9 in 60s
8 in 50s
7 in 40s
3 younger than 40
~ 56% are under 60
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | "Denny Rowe" <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
Mike B,
Seems like you have a lot of slack in your tailwheel springs and chains, am
I seeing that correctly?
If so I would think your ground handling might not be as good as it could
be.
Dennis Rowe, PA, Mk-3
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| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Oops! I went back over the posts and apparently I missed some responses.
Current data
36 responders
8 @ 70 up
9 in 60s
8 in 50s
8 in 40s
3 under 40
Mean 57.7
Median 59
Max 83
Min 19
~ 53% under 60
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
- Larry- Did you make the tubes out of steel, or aluminum?
-
-------------------------
------------------------ Bi
ll Sullivan
-------------------------
------------------------ Wi
ndsor Locks, Ct.
-------------------------
------------------------ FS
447
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
Everyone,
I really hope, for all your sakes, that I am not the ultimate authority on
this as I have been out of the loop on this stuff for about 10 years - but I
can perhaps add a little bit of perspective. The information exchange here
is awesome and I have learned something I did not know and that was the
breaking of the 4-hole tangs on the Rans.
But, the fact is that adding a turnbuckle does change the dynamics in
several ways (changes are seldom made without consequences), so if you are
going to make a change, realize that your airplane just became MORE
experimental. The turnbuckles do present a real hazard when folding in the
potential to overstress the tang. Plus it makes it very easy to
over-tension the wires which places further stress on the tangs.
I think we are all concerned with safety, but too many times we get too
micro-focused with the safety issues that we can see - not the ones we can't
see. Homer and I both shared a conviction that having turnbuckes on the
tail wires represented a real safety issue in that forgetting to safety wire
a turnbuckle is something very easy to do. So, for that and other reasons
we felt they represented a real safety issue. All our conversations with
Kolb builders over the years has only strengthened this conviction - it is
so easy to overlook something when the airplane gives the appearance of
being fully assembled. Most of us are amateur builders and mechanics and we
easily forget little details like safety pins, safety wire, lock nuts, etc.
but us professionals forget too. Ask me how I know.
If I were in the business today, I would probably continue with a 4-hole
tang, but it would be a 4130 tang made just a little thicker - depending
upon application. Originally we did not use the 4-hole tang or turnbuckles
- nothing is really needed. But the adjustments make life easier.
I would still not use turnbuckles for the reasons I previously mentioned in
an earlier email and above. But I did add double wires to the Slingshot
from the beginning because I felt they were needed for the higher speeds the
SS was capable of going. (I also added a significant internal brace (from
the wire attach point back to the inside corner of the stabilizer) to
properly handle the inward loads imposed by the wire on the leading edge
tube.)
I don't know all the reasons why other manufacturers may use double wires on
the tail, but I do know the major reason - their tail design requires it -
it is not optional for them. With a rectangular tail one cannot say that
they have double tail wires for safety - the design requires it. The light
weight tail structure is not torsionally stiff enough to be held by only one
set of wires. I can further guesstimate that many times this rectangular
shape is chosen not for aerodynamics - but rather for manufacturing ease.
Many of these tails are just a series of bends in a tube. This is much
easier, faster and less expensive than the 3-separate tubes the Kolb uses
that must be gusseted and riveted at every corner.
Homer has always used the triangular plan form on the tail because it will
not stall nearly as easily as a rectangular one will. So in Homer's mind
aerodynamics (shape) is a safety issue. Probably not many on the list see
tail planform shape as a safety issue - but Homer did.
I noticed on the photo of the tail, that another change has been introduced:
the curved leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer - and I have seen these
before too. This type design, while not being rectangular - it has
definitely been taken out of the triangular scenario with its direct load
paths. So if one wants a curved leading edge, I would say should have a
double set of wires - depends upon degree of curvature.
I really hope the group can continue to operate in a civil manner - so much
these days is becoming polarized where someone who has a different opinion
is vilified. This is unfortunate because I don't think anyone of us has a
lock on all the knowledge - so we need to share our little pieces of the
puzzle so we can all see the big picture and hopefully fly more safely.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of possums
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue
Continue
At 11:15 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>
>Given the recent very close call by one of our fellow Kolb flyers,
>this issue needs to be brought to everyones attention.-snip-
>
>In professional aviation and the airlines, the absence of accidents
>does not mean that there is not a large danger. Reports of
>problems, and many near accidents is regarded as an accident waiting
>to happen, and these problems are fixed before people get
>killed. We have a pattern like this developing with our Kolb Tail wires.
I would defer to Dennis as the ultimate authority on any of the
changes the we "think" might improve the original structural design.
If you change/strengthen one thing - you weaken another. You just
move the problem to another area. I only know
of one person who was willing to tear the wings off of a Kolb in
flight - on purpose (not with sandbags on the ground) and
trust a chute to carry him down. This was done to find the weak link
in the design. The "weak link" was fixed years ago and
by weak - I mean more G's than you might ever do..
Most of the stuff I have done is cosmetic or just for looks/comfort.
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert,
Great idea doing the spreadsheet on Kolb pilot ages. Would it be possible to do
one with engine / gearbox / AC type / fuel burn / performance / hours on our
Kolbs?
Darren, Central MI, age 49, FS1, 325 hours, Hirth 2702 (40hp) 2.29:1 gear ratio,
64" warp drive @09 degrees, 2.3 gal/ hour average, 55mph cruise.
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
From: Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
You know, if you guys want to do polls, at least use some of the free
technology around!
I've set this up -- took me about 3 minutes... MUCH easier to see what the
poll is about, it self-organizes, and self-reports.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..
<http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..>
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
> information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
> I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
> along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
> please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
> post the results.
>
> I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
| From: | "geoffthis" <geoffthis(at)charter.net> |
I turn 53 today, Sept 4.
Geoff Thistlethwaite
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261388#261388
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
I`m 58. Started flying in 1983. Lanny FSII
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Larry,
? I also had this failure.First the aluminum tube at the end of the steel tail
post.Noticed the frayed fabric first during preflight because I fold and unfold
every flight.So I replaced the tube (.032) with (.054) I think.But I continued
to use differential braking to swing the FS around in front of the trailer,which
puts a lot of side load on the tail post structure.Then the lower short
tube from the tailpost? failed at the ring.You know what that entails.I thought
all of this was self induced by the way I was turning and loading the tailpost,so
I spent the money and put a full swiveling tail wheel assy.on it.I never
heard about the braces until John mentioned them one day.Then I saw the light.You
can make the braces out of fairly light stuff because they are both in tension.The
only other mod I made was the clamp on the tail spring at the steel
tube to keep the rod from twisting against the bolt and letting the wheel flop
over center.Also prevents fish mouthing of the steel
tube so it does'nt get loose enough to rattle.
G.Aman MK-3C 475 hrs with Johns braces
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:56 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Tail wheel support and brace
Some time ago John H suggested a fix for the tail wheel
post and brace. It involved a brace from the tail wheel bolt to the collar on
the tail boom. I should of paid more attention.
?
On the morning of Sept first, I was intending to go check
the neighbors cows in the Pot Hole field to make sure none of them were bogged
in any of the sink holes. Saves them some trouble and time and gives me an
excuse to go fly.
?
As I was doing my preflight I noticed that the tail wheel
assembly was wobbling. Sure enough the aluminum tube at the end of the steel
collar was broken and the tail post was broken where it was connected to the
collar on the tube.
?
I have 500.6 hours on the plane and most of it was on
dirt, not grass, Dirt! Here it is soft and the worst side loads on the tail
wheel are right in front of the hanger.
?
I now have it repaired, and this time I applied the side
braces that John recommended. If you have not already done so, I would suggest
that you make it a priority, because it is a pain to repair, but really easy to
prevent.
?
I sleeved the tube and welded the tail post. Of course the
problem is the fabric repair.
?
These two little braces are easy to make and install, the
repair is a pain in the butt.
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
Larry, is that aluminum or steel tube?
BB
On 3, Sep 2009, at 11:56 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> Some time ago John H suggested a fix for the tail wheel post and
> brace. It involved a brace from the tail wheel bolt to the collar
> on the tail boom. I should of paid more attention.
>
> On the morning of Sept first, I was intending to go check the
> neighbors cows in the Pot Hole field to make sure none of them were
> bogged in any of the sink holes. Saves them some trouble and time
> and gives me an excuse to go fly.
>
> As I was doing my preflight I noticed that the tail wheel assembly
> was wobbling. Sure enough the aluminum tube at the end of the steel
> collar was broken and the tail post was broken where it was
> connected to the collar on the tube.
>
> I have 500.6 hours on the plane and most of it was on dirt, not
> grass, Dirt! Here it is soft and the worst side loads on the tail
> wheel are right in front of the hanger.
>
> I now have it repaired, and this time I applied the side braces
> that John recommended. If you have not already done so, I would
> suggest that you make it a priority, because it is a pain to
> repair, but really easy to prevent.
> <3686A0B5207B43C6958AC4FC4B7907FE>
>
> I sleeved the tube and welded the tail post. Of course the problem
> is the fabric repair.
> <77B6A3E065AA4FA49A345BFFEA492AB3>
>
> These two little braces are easy to make and install, the repair is
> a pain in the butt.
> Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
That's easily done! But, as they say, you can lead a horse to water....
I'll try to have something available by the end of the day.
-- Robert
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:27 AM, wrote:
>
>
> Robert,
>
> Great idea doing the spreadsheet on Kolb pilot ages. Would it be possible to
do one with engine / gearbox / AC type / fuel burn / performance / hours on our
Kolbs?
>
>
> Darren, Central MI, age 49, FS1, 325 hours, Hirth 2702 (40hp) 2.29:1 gear ratio,
64" warp drive @09 degrees, 2.3 gal/ hour average, 55mph cruise.
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
>
> From: Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
>
>
> You know, if you guys want to do polls, at least use some of the free
>
> technology around!
>
> I've set this up -- took me about 3 minutes... MUCH easier to see what the
>
> poll is about, it self-organizes, and self-reports.
>
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..
>
> <http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dGM3U3VrV0pRMzlWYU1lSzdaYkJPQUE6MA..>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
>
> >
>
> > Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
>
> > information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
>
> > I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
>
> > along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
>
> > please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
>
> > post the results.
>
> >
>
> > I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
----- Original Message -----
From: robert bean
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail wheel support and brace
Larry, is that aluminum or steel tube?
BB
The tubing is 3/8th aluminum that I had left over from an earlier
project.
Larry C
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lloyd McFarlane" <lrmcf8(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Lloyd McFarlane 75
FireStar II
N6122L
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Brooks <jmbrooks(at)ctc.net> |
61
I've been flying my FirestarII since I completed it in 1995. My ship
was just certified
Amature Built Experimental and I'm about to fly-off 40 test hours in a
plane I have already logged 470 hr in.
Life is good!
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Davis" <davistcs(at)eoni.com> |
Terry Davis
62
Private Pilot since 1993
Kolb Pilot since 2005
Sumpter Valley, Eastern Oregon
FS 1, 503DCDI Powerfin, BRS
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Larry
That is an excellent and easy mod to do. I was going to weld the braces on mine,
but given what I see in your pictures, your mod looks jut as strong and does
not have any of the drawbacks of having to weld. I will make that a priority
and do it soon. Given this number of reports of breakages in this place, it
is something I check on EVERY preflight.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261419#261419
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| From: | "Jody Morgan" <jodymorgan(at)earthlink.net> |
I am 70
Got my private in 1965 but have not flown for 40 years.
Was lucky enough to meet and talk to Homer Kolb at Oshkosh in the 70s a 80s.
Have been a great fan of the Kolb and Homer ever since and am still dreaming
of flying my own Kolb. To date I have never flown in one.
Last year I got a M3c project and will soon have a building ready to start
work, and with the help from the folks on this list hope to make my long
time desire come true before I am the oldest person on this survey. I hear
others on the list, about my age, wondering how much longer they will be
able to fly.... Hey! I'm finally ready to "GET STARTED".
Been a lurker for many years. Also time to quit just lurking.
Thanks to all on the list for your help keeping the dream going for me.
Jody Morgan
San Diego, Ca.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:14 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
post the results.
I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
simple system that works.
- John Gaule
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JAMES BEARD" <JAMESBEARD305(at)msn.com> |
68
Jim Beard
private, SEL since 1976 172 hrs total pic
Kolb mklll Xtra 912uls
under construction in Clarkdale, Az.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Continue |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Dennis Rowe,
I read your excellent post on the tail mod, and turnbuckles, I'm glad you added
this information here. If you have any more thoughts, or warnings on my modification,
let me know. I did not use turnbuckles in my tail wires, I made up
an identical set of wires to what Kolb supplies with the plane. If you look
at the AD, its probably a number of things causing the tangs to break, vibration,
improper bending, I doubt its just overloading. I think in a static test,
other parts of the tail would bend or fail before the tangs would break off,
but in as seen in Jimmy Youngs picture, as in the Rans cases, these tangs are
cracking and breaking over time.
I did consider the additional loads imposed on my tail from an extra set of bracing
wires, and I was very careful not to over tension these cables, there is
just enough to keep them from vibrating in the wind but not enough to start to
bend the leading edge of the horizontal stab which will happen if they are over
tightened. Given the outward and rearward position of the extra set of cables,
the inward load placed on my horizontal stabilizer front attachment is less
than 5 pounds as measured on the ground. I keep the front attachment of
the Horizontal stab greased so that it slides very easily, even under load it
does not bind.
One unexpected thing I solved was that I had a VERY SLIGHT buffet coming through
the rudder pedals at cruise power, so slight that most people could not detect
it. This was not flutter nor in any way speed related, it was more affected
by power. I fly far more hours in Jets than in prop planes, so I am very sensitive
to things like this. This very slight buffet went away with the new tail
wires, it may have been more a result of doubling up the fabric where I made
the patches, I don't know for sure, what I do know is that this buffet went
away.
My compression springs do have a fair amount of slack in them, this is intentional
so that there is enough travel for the tailwheel to unlock at its limits without
undue stress. If I tighten these up, it takes to much force to unlock
the tailwheel. Ground handling might be a little crisper if they were tight,
but I would eventually break something. As it is, ground handling is very much
improved over the tension springs that I had on my Kolb before, so while not
perfect, I am very happy with my improved ground handling from before.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261426#261426
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
I feel like a youngster ... does that count?
60 years young.
Dennis
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
post the results.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Clyde MacQuarrie <clydemacquarrie(at)eastlink.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Clyde MacQuarrie- Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada. Turning 77 on Sept.27th.
Hope to have our Kolb Mark 111 Classic in the air this fall.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:29 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
> > Oops! I went back over the posts and apparently I missed some responses.
>
> Current data
>
> 36 responders
>
> 8 @ 70 up
> 9 in 60s
> 8 in 50s
> 8 in 40s
> 3 under 40
>
> Mean 57.7
> Median 59
> Max 83
> Min 19
>
> ~ 53% under 60
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
> simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261381#261381
>
>
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
05:50:00
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue |
Continue
----- Original Message -----
From: JetPilot
My compression springs do have a fair amount of slack in them, this is
intentional so that there is enough travel for the tailwheel to unlock
at its limits without undue stress. If I tighten these up, it takes to
much force to unlock the tailwheel. Ground handling might be a little
crisper if they were tight, but I would eventually break something. As
it is, ground handling is very much improved over the tension springs
that I had on my Kolb before, so while not perfect, I am very happy with
my improved ground handling from before.
Mike
Gang,
I am on the second "Break away tail wheel" from Kolb. The first I
sold in disgust to Larry Bourne because it would breakaway too soon, and
on a paved runway could not get it to lock again with any kind of a
cross wind. Since then I decided that I was a bit too rash and bought
another. (Cheap lesson, only about $400 bucks) When I got it I took it
apart and with a dremel tool hogged it out so that it takes full
deflection for it to break away. It is much better this way in that I
can steer even in a cross wind. I also have the springs under quite a
bit of tension. It steers well this way and with the braces that I just
installed I am not worried about over stressing. In fact 500 hours for
the original to break leads me to believe that it will not be a problem
again. I also have individual brakes to help with the steering as well.
The way that it is now it takes full deflection of the rudder to break
away.
Larry C
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | breakfast flight |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
I have to coax the boss into flying by having a meal at the end of the trip.We
have an unusual restaraunt thats only 78 miles away,round trip.One of those "cold
front" mornings smooth as silk.
?G.Aman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Unusual decore.
??? G.Aman
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb gph fuel burn survey |
Thank you all,
I wish to express my appreciation for everyone's response to the
fuel burn query.
We apparently have quite a spread in hourly fuel use between various
Kolb planes and pilots.
From Jack Hart's 1.5 gph all the way to John Hauck's 582 with 5.5 gph.
Some pilots choose to cruise at 40/ 55 mph, others at 70/85 mph.
One pilot claims his best fuel economy is @ 70.
My l stats with my modified Firestar, 618 Rotax 72" inflight IVO prop
are ,,,,
42/ 50 mph air speed -- 2 gph as per 2 hour flight time.
60/65 mph air speed -- 3.5 gph as per 2 hour flight time.
Wide open 6700 rpm climb out 7.5 gph as per fuel flow gauge
indication.
Thanks again to everyone who responded,
Gene Zimmerman
On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
> All Kolbers,
>
> I'm curious what other kolb pilots are experiencing as their gallon
> per hour fuel burn?
>
> What is your sustained level flight absolute minimum gal, per hr?
> At what engine rpm? And at what cruise speed?
>
> What is your over all "average" gal. per hr. engine rpm, and
> cruise speed?
>
> Please specify the model of your plane and engine when you share
> your statistics.
>
> Statistic from flights of 2 hours or longer will likely be more
> accurate and reliable than shorter flights, but please share
> whatever you personally experience with your plane.
>
>
> Eugene Zimmerman
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Beauford T" <beauford173(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
68
...although I have evidence that certain parts may be older...
beauford
FF-076
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful
information and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time,
I'm curious to know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming
along to gradually replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind,
please respond with your age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and
post the results.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: neat restaraunt |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> Unusual decore.
> G.Aman
Cool, what airport?
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Gene Ledbetter
Cincinnati
Firefly, 447, 450 hrs
I look forward to flying my Firefly next year after I turn 80 on Jan. 6.
My Fly is the plane that I made my first solo in. Still fly out of my
trailer and added a Harbor Freight Jump Battery Winch to make the put
away easier after it gave me a hernia last year.
Life is good with a Kolb.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
Hey Gene, I don`t know if winching is a word, however, I was wondering
where you hook the winch cable to the airframe. I also trailer my FSII each
time I fly. I hooked up a winch several years ago. I hooked the cable to
the tail wheel strut and pulled the FSII up the ramps backwards. It worked,
but seemed to put A LOT of stress on the tail wheel strut. After that one
time using the winch I went back to pulling the airplane up using brute
strength. I`m sure the day will come where I will need to go back to using
the winch. Lanny N598LF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | GARY JINDRA <gajindra(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Gary Jindra age 54-Uniontown,Oh.-
just attained sport pilot certificate, building M111c-582-----
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------------------------
--- On Fri, 9/4/09, Gene Ledbetter wrote:
From: Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 2:05 PM
Gene Ledbetter
Cincinnati
Firefly, 447, 450 hrs
I look forward to flying my Firefly next year after I turn 80 on Jan. 6.
My Fly is the plane that I made my first solo in.- Still fly out of my tr
ailer and added a Harbor Freight Jump Battery Winch to make the put away ea
sier after it gave me a hernia last year.
Life is good with a Kolb.
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Winching a Kolb |
Lanny,
I pull my Firefly forward into the trailer.
I connect the winch cable snap into the middle of a tiedown with hook
ends looped over the landing gear legs. Works great!
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Winching a Kolb |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
donaho1(at)verizon.net wrote:
>
> = SNIP
> I hooked the cable to the tail wheel strut and pulled the FSII up the ramps backwards.
It worked, but seemed to put A LOT of stress on the tail wheel strut.
After that one time using the winch I went back to pulling the airplane up using
brute strength. I`m sure the day will come where I will need to go back to
using the winch. Lanny N598LF
Lanny:
Chris Mallory, former FSII driver, used a bracket he had made. His set up is on
my web site (link below) under "Trailering a Kolb". If you want to go direct
to Chris' tail wheel bracket, go to:
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbplanes/CM_Winch_01.htm
Thumbnails below the opening picture show the details.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261472#261472
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
With a little prompting, I came up with [drum roll, please] The Kolb Poll To
End All Polls!
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDBfR083RWRGbHNvbUZFOWtFLXFTdHc6MA..
It is, of course, voluntary, and it covers many of the controversial topics
as well as just "the facts ma'am, just the facts."
As soon as I get 20-30 responses, I will publish the results either here on
on a web page, to which I will post a link. Please be assured that it will
be completely anonymous if you want it to be. There are options on it that
will tell me that you do/don't want your name used, and you do/don't want
your N-number used.
My motivation for doing this is strictly curiosity... but please don't kill
this cat.
I hope I didn't miss anything of significant importance. But I think the
results will be a real eye opener, AND it will help a lot of us see what's
out there, and what people are using.
I do hope that everyone will pitch in and truly make this the TKPTEAP that
it should be! :-)
-- Robert
________________________________________________________________________________
Howard Shackleford
68 yrs.
Flying 10 yrs
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| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
Gene and George thanks for the info. I will store that information in the
hard drive in my brain for future reference. Also, while the tail wheel
bracket is very nicely done, I still feel it will pull rather hard on the
strut. It`s not exactly the strut I`m worried about, it`s the tubing the
strut slides into that seems to take a lot of stress when using the winch.
Perhaps the structure is strong enough to take the stress of a thousand
winch assisted loadings. I just always try to treat my FSII as gently as I
can, on the ground and in the air. Lanny
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
Hi All,
I was talking Offlist with a few fellow Kolbers about the tail wire
tension, (and the Kolblist tension), and a question was posed to me
about how much tailshaking is normal, so, if you guys don`t mind, how
about looking over your shoulder the next time you fly & report back on
this topic please?
With all the talk about the wire attach tangs lately, What We`re
specifically looking for is several things.:
How much , if any, is the leading edges of the horizontal & vertical
stabilizers vibrating in flight? And, If they are any worse or better
at any power settings & or airspeeds?
For instance, does power matter? or Airspeed in a descent with no
power? I will chime in too, but later.
I`m posting this because there are a SEVERAL of Kolb Owner newbies that
have been in touch with me & are reluctant to post to the list, because
of all of the negative comments that have been thrown by a certain
member of this list, & didn't want to stir up more crap. (Sad, Huh?)
The owners are MK-3C & MK-3X pilots, but I`m sure we all may learn.
Of course, we will all have to understand that the tail wires are as
tight as the owners are comfortable flying with, or they wouldn't` fly.
I know this topics was touched on earlier, `cuz an archive search
yielded John H`s response, but we`d like an up to date comment.
Thanks in advance
Jim Kmet
Cookeville, TN
912 MK-3C
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| Subject: | Re: neat restaraunt |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Cristal,
? 38D Salem Ohio,2years old.
? G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: cristalclear13 <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:06 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: neat restaraunt
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> Unusual decore.
> G.Aman
Cool, what airport?
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Malcolm Morrison
Age 51
Kolb MKII
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 7:14:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Kolb-List: Aging Kolbers
Since this forum has been such a remarkable source of mostly useful information
and I'd like very much for it to continue for a very long time, I'm curious to
know if there are a good number of youngster Kolbers coming along to gradually
replace aging oldster Kolbers. So, if you don't mind, please respond with your
age. If this gets enough response I'll compile and post the results.
I am only 61 so I hope to have lots more flying years ahead of me.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 66x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261170#261170
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| From: | "Eddie" <e.bayliss(at)blueyonder.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
Is this poll for USA based kolbs or can us uk lurkers join the fun ?
Eddie BAyliss
Liverpool
england (or uk if you prefer)
mk111 c
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Laird
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP)
With a little prompting, I came up with [drum roll, please] The Kolb
Poll To End All Polls!
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDBfR083RWRGbHNvbUZFOWt
FLXFTdHc6MA..
It is, of course, voluntary, and it covers many of the controversial
topics as well as just "the facts ma'am, just the facts."
As soon as I get 20-30 responses, I will publish the results either
here on on a web page, to which I will post a link. Please be assured
that it will be completely anonymous if you want it to be. There are
options on it that will tell me that you do/don't want your name used,
and you do/don't want your N-number used.
My motivation for doing this is strictly curiosity... but please
don't kill this cat.
I hope I didn't miss anything of significant importance. But I think
the results will be a real eye opener, AND it will help a lot of us see
what's out there, and what people are using.
I do hope that everyone will pitch in and truly make this the TKPTEAP
that it should be! :-)
-- Robert
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
09/04/09 05:51:00
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| Subject: | Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
All are welcome!
On 9/4/09, Eddie wrote:
> Is this poll for USA based kolbs or can us uk lurkers join the fun ?
> Eddie BAyliss
> Liverpool
> england (or uk if you prefer)
> mk111 c
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Laird
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:30 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP)
>
>
> With a little prompting, I came up with [drum roll, please] The Kolb Poll
> To End All Polls!
>
>
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDBfR083RWRGbHNvbUZFOWtFLXFTdHc6MA..
>
> It is, of course, voluntary, and it covers many of the controversial
> topics as well as just "the facts ma'am, just the facts."
>
> As soon as I get 20-30 responses, I will publish the results either here
> on on a web page, to which I will post a link. Please be assured that it
> will be completely anonymous if you want it to be. There are options on it
> that will tell me that you do/don't want your name used, and you do/don't
> want your N-number used.
>
> My motivation for doing this is strictly curiosity... but please don't
> kill this cat.
>
> I hope I didn't miss anything of significant importance. But I think the
> results will be a real eye opener, AND it will help a lot of us see what's
> out there, and what people are using.
>
> I do hope that everyone will pitch in and truly make this the TKPTEAP that
> it should be! :-)
>
> -- Robert
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 09/04/09 05:51:00
>
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| From: | <apilot(at)surewest.net> |
71
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| Subject: | Re: The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
I've already got 5 replies to the poll, and it's really very interesting! I
encourage everyone to take the poll... it might take, oh, 10 minutes top to
fill it out, and everyone will benefit!
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Robert Laird wrote:
> With a little prompting, I came up with [drum roll, please] The Kolb Poll
> To End All Polls!
>
>
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDBfR083RWRGbHNvbUZFOWtFLXFTdHc6MA..
>
> I
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
Given this number of reports of breakages in this place, it is something I
check on EVERY preflight.
>
> Mike
Mike B/Gang:
You gotta fly'em and put a lot of hours on them to break them.
A lot of the little things I have done to my Kolbs, over the years, has been
because I flew a lot (notice past tense) and wore stuff out or caused stuff
to require frequent adjustment.
BTW: There is nothing wrong with the Kolb design, all models. Some of us
fly a lot more than others. Some of us fly in tougher conditions than
others. Larry C, for one, puts lots of hours on his bird in a harsh
environment.
I was never an advocate of the SS multi-hole wire tangs.
What I have now works great for me. I have adjusted tail wire tension once
in well over 1,000 flight hours. Prior to that, I twisted cables, used
washers, and made up a lot of new tail wires for my birds.
I might add, cabled thimbles were never designed to be used in conjunction
with a 1/16" think cable tang. Would work much better if one used a clevis
pinned and safetied with the thimble inserted into the clevis. A lot more
surface area for the thimble to wear against. I have worn thimbles
completely through and into the cable eye before I caught it.
Remember, I share with you what I do, good or bad (the mistakes I have made
along the way), but I am not here to grade any List member on their
performance. It is up to the individual to choose what he/she wants to do.
A couple hundred hours flying and breaking Kolbs does not make anyone an
expert. One must get out there and experience the airplane first.
john h
mkIII - Rawlings, Wyoming (7200 feet msl and still on the ground.)
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| Subject: | Third Impressions |
Finally, after a couple of (2 hour) trips to the airport, the Field
Repair/modifications were complete to test fly the Mark IIIc. There had been
three problems, heavy left wing, absurd airspeed indications, staying below RPM
redline.
1. The heavy left wing was solved with a trim tab under the right wing
aileron, in size to the precise specifications of an off-line helper. (18" x
4" aluminum, bent in the middle to lift edge by 1/2").
This solution hit square on the head, completely correcting the left roll
tendency to the point of being able to remove my grip while the A/C keeps
trucking on with wings level. The fix corrected the left roll, likely
caused by the clockwise rotation of engine.
After about 3 seconds of hands free operation, I need to take over
control again, because of a slight pitch down tendency with zero trim. Going to
the first trim notch results in a slight nose up tendency. I stayed with the
zero trim. (There is a good suggestion to fix this, but a Winter Job).
To make the flag fly straight, I need to put in a bit of left rudder.
Without this rudder the flag flies approximately 10 degrees off center. The
rudder input did not seem to have much effect on the lateral stability,
confirming the discussions about inability of keeping the Kolb level with rudder
alone.
2. The absurd airspeed indications (almost one airspeed for all occasions)
were solved by two steps. First relocation of the pitot/static from the
top of the fairing the bottom, according to a second off-line assist from a
good soul, who supplied measurements and advise. While having the unit out,
I noticed that this "semi-professional" beautiful piece of stainless steel
art, had the Static holes not only staggered, but facing about 45 degrees
down (as when mounted above). Well, trying to drill new holes properly in
the field was futile. I had to take the thing home, where, with a drill
press, I promptly broke/dulled three new 1/16 drill bits. But, in the end I won
properly over this dastardly piece of stainless steel.
With the pitot remounted to the bottom, I took off and marveled at the
fantastic airspeed of zero and flew the entire circuit this way. With
markings on the tubings, I could have sworn in court the dang lines were
connected correctly, but of course, they were reversed.
With that corrected, the next flight showed delightful airspeeds. Our
little 65 HP Hirth engine, easily shows 60 MPH in cruise, when pushed at near
full power even 70 MPH. I did not do any GPS or stall tests, because of only
20% fuel in the tanks, there was this awful urge to walk the ground.
3. Staying below Redline This was to be a simple fix to reset the pitch
on the prop. But after walking up to the prop and staring at the cap-bolts,
that need a special 6 mm tool with 3/8 drive to utilize the torque wrench,
it was a job for another day. On that other day, re-pitching went well. In
two steps, Pitch was increased from 8.75 degrees to 10.50 degrees, reducing
static RPM from 6,400 to 5,900. Now, climb out can be made at full power.
In cruise, as usual, you must still watch RPM. Anyway, this is happy times
now.
General impressions: Feeling a lot more relaxed flying this butterfly, I
mean Kolb. Landings are fine. I noticed what may give rise to discussion.
The aircraft feels fine and comfortable up to 60 MPH, but when pushed to 70
it seems to become "squirrely". I had this feeling when pushed in cruise,
as well as on descent to land when in a hurry to get down. Anybody that has
owned a motorbike will know, each bike has a comfort speed limit. This
came to mind when at high speed (Haha!) every little air burble was more
upsetting. I slow down, and things feel "normal". Now I've seen Kolb movies,
with bigger engines, showing 90 MPH with seemingly great steadiness. Perhaps
all I need is more acclimation?
Herb
Mark IIIc, 246KT Grand total of 2.1 hrs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jmmy Hankinson" <jhankin(at)planters.net> |
| Subject: | The Kolb Poll To End All Polls (TKPTEAP) |
Robert, would be nice to have the list by states.
Jimmy Hankinson
Firefly N6007L
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail shaking |
Jim, my tail wires have never been very tight. They are more so now
than originally but not "twangy"
I have never noticed any problems with vibration or rudder flutter.
The cable thimbles are starting to show
a little wear and will have to be checked closely before next season.
I'm still a little shy about picking up too much speed in a long
power off dive because of the aileron flutter I once had.
(pre-balancers) and pay close attention to what's going on. Seems
good now.
BB
MkIIIc
On 4, Sep 2009, at 5:14 PM, Jim Kmet wrote:
> Hi All,
> I was talking Offlist with a few fellow Kolbers about the tail
> wire tension, (and the Kolblist tension), and a question was posed
> to me about how much tailshaking is normal, so, if you guys don`t
> mind, how about looking over your shoulder the next time you fly &
> report back on this topic please?
> With all the talk about the wire attach tangs lately, What We`re
> specifically looking for is several things.:
> How much , if any, is the leading edges of the horizontal &
> vertical stabilizers vibrating in flight? And, If they are any
> worse or better at any power settings & or airspeeds?
> For instance, does power matter? or Airspeed in a descent with no
> power? I will chime in too, but later.
> I`m posting this because there are a SEVERAL of Kolb Owner newbies
> that have been in touch with me & are reluctant to post to the
> list, because of all of the negative comments that have been thrown
> by a certain member of this list, & didn't want to stir up more
> crap. (Sad, Huh?)
> The owners are MK-3C & MK-3X pilots, but I`m sure we all may learn.
> Of course, we will all have to understand that the tail wires are
> as tight as the owners are comfortable flying with, or they
> wouldn't` fly.
> I know this topics was touched on earlier, `cuz an archive search
> yielded John H`s response, but we`d like an up to date comment.
> Thanks in advance
> Jim Kmet
> Cookeville, TN
> 912 MK-3C
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | daniel myers <h20maule(at)hotmail.com> |
Jim=2C the first time I noticed mine it scared me so bad and called my frie
nd Jack. He said it was normal=2C so I kept going. Is yours shaking? or swa
ying?
From: slyck(at)frontiernet.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tail shaking
Date: Fri=2C 4 Sep 2009 21:40:04 -0400
Jim=2C my tail wires have never been very tight. They are more so now tha
n originally but not "twangy"
I have never noticed any problems with vibration or rudder flutter. The ca
ble thimbles are starting to show
a little wear and will have to be checked closely before next season.
I'm still a little shy about picking up too much speed in a long power off
dive because of the aileron flutter I once had.
(pre-balancers) and pay close attention to what's going on. Seems good no
w.
BB
MkIIIc
On 4=2C Sep 2009=2C at 5:14 PM=2C Jim Kmet wrote:
Hi All=2C
I was talking Offlist with a few fellow Kolbers about the tail wire tensio
n=2C (and the Kolblist tension)=2C and a question was posed to me about how
much tailshaking is normal=2C so=2C if you guys don`t mind=2C how about lo
oking over your shoulder the next time you fly & report back on this topic
please?
With all the talk about the wire attach tangs lately=2C What We`re specific
ally looking for is several things.:
How much =2C if any=2C is the leading edges of the horizontal & vertical st
abilizers vibrating in flight? And=2C If they are any worse or better at a
ny power settings & or airspeeds?
For instance=2C does power matter? or Airspeed in a descent with no power?
I will chime in too=2C but later.
I`m posting this because there are a SEVERAL of Kolb Owner newbies that hav
e been in touch with me & are reluctant to post to the list=2C because of a
ll of the negative comments that have been thrown by a certain member of th
is list=2C & didn't want to stir up more crap. (Sad=2C Huh?)
The owners are MK-3C & MK-3X pilots=2C but I`m sure we all may learn.
Of course=2C we will all have to understand that the tail wires are as tigh
t as the owners are comfortable flying with=2C or they wouldn't` fly.
I know this topics was touched on earlier=2C `cuz an archive search yielde
d John H`s response=2C but we`d like an up to date comment.
Thanks in advance
Jim Kmet
Cookeville=2C TN
912 MK-3C
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| Subject: | Good chance you can't help but join in! |
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| Subject: | Re: Tail shaking |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
>
>
> I`m posting this because there are a SEVERAL of Kolb Owner newbies that have
been in touch with me & are reluctant to post to the list, because of all of
the negative comments that have been thrown by a certain member of this list,
& didn't want to stir up more crap. (Sad, Huh?)
>
> Jim Kmet
> Cookeville, TN
> 912 MK-3C
>
>
Its obvious from your comment that you just cant let your bitterness go or even
respect what Matt asked of us, and end this. Here, instead of just post your
question, you just had to take the opportunity to try to post a negative comment
even after everything had pretty much blown over. You were so desperate to
throw out some negative comments and insults that you resorted to doing it in
a new thread. You are nothing hypocrite that is saying how sad it is to have
crap stirred up, when you take every opportunity to stir it up yourself. I
am tired of bitter and vindictive and bitter hypocrites like yourself blaming
me for your bad behavior.
As far as newbies on the list, I have been talking to a lot of them myself and
many are afraid to post because of the likes of yourself and your little gang
that try to intimidate and silence the opinions of those on this list you don't
like. What is really sad is that even after Matt Dralle asked nicely, you
are so bitter you have to try to start shit again in a new thread. No is one
responsible for you trying to stir up shit and hard feelings on the list but
yourself.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261529#261529
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> I was never an advocate of the SS multi-hole wire tangs.
>
> What I have now works great for me. I have adjusted tail wire tension once
> in well over 1,000 flight hours. Prior to that, I twisted cables, used
> washers, and made up a lot of new tail wires for my birds.
>
>
> john h
> mkIII - Rawlings, Wyoming (7200 feet msl and still on the ground.)
Hi John H,
You made good time going out west, did not expect you to be that far already.
As far as your tail wires, I knew you did something better than most of us, but
I don't remember what. I'm not a huge fan of the multi hole SS tangs especially
after the AD, but am at a loss of what else to use. I bought some Stainless
Steel single hole tangs from Aircraft Spruce, but they were extremely thin,
and I could bend them with my fingers, they felt much weaker than my Multi hole
tangs, so I did not use them. What type of tangs did you use on your MK
III, and were can we get them ? I would be as happy as could be to get 1000 hours
out of my next set, did you use Stainless Steel Cables also ?
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261532#261532
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Good chance you can't help but join in! |
that guy is in for an exciting lifetime.
On 4, Sep 2009, at 10:33 PM, HGRAFF(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clw7SAJs_6w&eurl=http%3A%2F%
> 2Fwhatreallyhappened%2Ecom%2Fcategory%2Fvideo&feature=player_embedded
>
>
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Good chance you can't help but join in! |
that guy is in for an exciting lifetime.>>
Good grief,
Poor guy! Fancy having to listen to a laugh like that for the rest of
your life.
I have seen a couple of weddings in the States which were pretty
peculiar by Brit standards but this takes the biscuit. Try `JK wedding
entrance dance` on the tube.`
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
eldest still flying a Kolb 78>>
Hi Thom,
Your system must be slipping. 80 and still flying, well trundling around
the patch on a nice evening.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail shaking |
I never mentioned a name, why did you did you take it personal?
Jim Kmet
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:44 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tail shaking
>
>
> jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
>>
>>
>> I`m posting this because there are a SEVERAL of Kolb Owner newbies that
>> have been in touch with me & are reluctant to post to the list, because
>> of all of the negative comments that have been thrown by a certain
>> member of this list, & didn't want to stir up more crap. (Sad, Huh?)
>>
>> Jim Kmet
>> Cookeville, TN
>> 912 MK-3C
>>
>>
>
>
> Its obvious from your comment that you just cant let your bitterness go or
> even respect what Matt asked of us, and end this. Here, instead of just
> post your question, you just had to take the opportunity to try to post a
> negative comment even after everything had pretty much blown over. You
> were so desperate to throw out some negative comments and insults that you
> resorted to doing it in a new thread. You are nothing hypocrite that is
> saying how sad it is to have crap stirred up, when you take every
> opportunity to stir it up yourself. I am tired of bitter and vindictive
> and bitter hypocrites like yourself blaming me for your bad behavior.
>
> As far as newbies on the list, I have been talking to a lot of them myself
> and many are afraid to post because of the likes of yourself and your
> little gang that try to intimidate and silence the opinions of those on
> this list you don't like. What is really sad is that even after Matt
> Dralle asked nicely, you are so bitter you have to try to start shit again
> in a new thread. No is one responsible for you trying to stir up shit
> and hard feelings on the list but yourself.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261529#261529
>
>
>
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Almost every airplane in production today has properly designed wingtips on
them, how do you compare that to a few sports cars with spoilers ??? This
is not even close to valid comparison. >>
Oh dear! Oh dear!,
You do take things seriously don`t you. Loosen up
.. I made the comparison because the difference in speeds between a 747 or
even maybe a Comanche and our average flying speed is about the same as the
difference in speed of a Formulae One car and the usual 80 mph of a sports
car. I am sure that at 300 mph a designer tip is very efficient and well
worth having. At 60/70 mph I m not convinced.
I `ignored` the evidence of one report on the improvement in Challenger
handling with new tips for the very simple reason that I didn`t read it. I
am sorry, but I do have other interests and I find there are other things in
life more important than reading every post on the list.
Have a good day
Pat
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| Subject: | Posting on the forum |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
For those who are reluctant to post on the forum because of the rude
behavior of JP, I would offer this with apologies to Edmund Burke:
"All that is necessary for JP to triumph is good folks post
nothing"....Ouch.
This is the Kolb forum, not the personal property of a rude little man
without the ability to play well with others. Ask yourself, what's the worst
that could happen? You'll have to hit the delete key. You have no obligation
to read anything he writes. If you give him the power to keep you from
posting you essentially punish the rest of us for his sociopathic behavior.
So I offer this idea. Do not respond to any post by JP. Do not read them. If
one of his posts shows up along with others, simply skip over it and move
on. If he gets no feed back he will most likely go away and pester some one
else.
Alternately, someone could collect all his screeds and send them to the FAA
Aeromedical division. If, and I personally doubt it, he is in fact a jet
pilot, perhaps they would like to reexamine his fitness to fly. At the very
least they could notify his employer and give them that option.
Bottom line; the rest of us do not have to put up with this and we don't
need to bother Matt to fix it for us. We can exercise a very old idea and
simply shun him.
Rick
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Attention: Just "Mike" |
Just "Mike=2C
I recently sent the list an email=2C addressed to you=2C that you identif
y yourself properly. I take offense that you seem to think you are the "TH
E Mike"=2C while all the rest of us Mikes identify who we are by using a la
st name initial (or & Jaz).
Not only did you ignore my post=2C you still think "just plain ol' Mike"
is good enough to identify yourself. Maybe you are a fool=2C or stupid=2C
or possibly just plain ignorant. These terms are familiar to you=2C I'm su
re.
In the last two weeks=2C we learned from you that=3B
Vic (with the MkIIIX) is a "know nothing"
Jack (who doesn't use a "Just Mike" approved fuel filter) is a fool
Richard Pike is a hypocrite
Gene Z. is a brown noser and "just plain stupid"
Jim Kmet is not the brightest bulb in the bunch=2C and not able to grasp in
tellect
Thom (email #1) is a loser and has the mentality of a street punk
(email #2) a loser who doesn't care about right or wrong=2C is a hy
pocrite and now has become a street punk
Jim H. "has a double standard" ooooouuuh! You really let him have it
!
Rick G.=2C Mike P.=2C and a couple others were also insulted=2C but I could
n't find the email
with the insults.
For the gentlemen that criticized "the group" for squabbling (Geoff=2C D
ennis=2C Matt=2C Richard N)=2C it is NOT the group!!!!!!!
It never is. It is ALWAYS "Just Mike"=2C insulting a host of pilot's tha
t don't do it his way.
Please don't ask "Can we all just get along?" It isn't "all". It is ALW
AYS one person who begins an argument with an insult. ALWAYS!! (and=2C ab
out every 4 months)
When others on this list have disagreed=2C they are polite=2C or at least
tolerant. (except in retaliation to a particular Mike=2C but we won't ide
ntify which one here) I have been a member of this list almost three years
. I have only read post from one person be rude. "Just One"
Back to "Just Mike". You feel it is your obligation to point out peoples
shortcomings. You=2C after all=2C are the authority on everything=2C exce
pt spelling=2C of course. Let's see=2C in your recent rants=2C you use the
ord "weather" incorrectly. It's "whether". BTW=2C the word is ridicule
=2C not reticule. When you insult someone=2C spell it correctly=2C the wor
d is loser!!! (pronounced luzer) Not looser=2C (pronounced loos er). "The
ir" is spelled t h e i r=2C not thier!! Sheesh!
Never mastered the correct usage of "to". We've had this little talk bef
ore. When something is excessive=2C then it is "too". As in "too hot'=2C
or "too fast".
The second style of "too" is when is augments something=2C or adds to som
ething. Like=3B "I am going outside=2C too." Or=2C "You=2C too=2C are a p
ilot?"
How can you profess to be such an authority on so much=2C yet=2C you don'
t have a grasp on simple spelling and word usage? Maybe you missed that pa
rt of elementary school.
Someone recently asked you to provide your educational background regardi
ng your aeronautical training. You ignored the request.
Another recent request was for all Kolbers to identify their age. You ig
nored that one=2C too.
(notice proper spelling of "their"=2C and correct usage of "too". See=2C i
t's easy.)
Evidently=2C you did not even build your own Kolb. You bought it fully b
uilt. Yet=2C you seem to know so much. Exactly what airplanes have you bu
ilt? Designed? Test flown? Where do you get your expertise and authority
?? Really!!! Let us know your educational background!!
"Just Mike"=2C you and I have had cordial=2C friendly=2C informative corr
espondence on this list. But=2C that is difficult for me to do=2C when I k
now you offend so many good gentlemen.
Vic is NOT a "know nothing". Jack is NOT a fool. Richard Pike is NOT a
hypocrite. Gene is NOT a brown noser and just plain stupid. Jim Kmet is N
OT a dull bulb. Thom is NOT a loser.
Rick G. is NOT a moron. Mike P. is NOT an idiot. I really think Jim H doe
sn't have double standards=2C not do I think the rest of the many people yo
u insult are as you describe.
Mike=2C your contributions to the Kolb community are diminished by your n
ature. You do have some valid ideas to offer=2C just your tolerance of oth
ers needs work.
I will identify myself now=2C so you know exactly who I am.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
As far as your tail wires, I knew you did something better than most of
us, but I don't remember what. I'm not a huge fan of the multi hole SS
tangs especially after the AD, but am at a loss of what else to use. I
bought some Stainless Steel single hole tangs from Aircraft Spruce, but they
were extremely thin, and I could bend them with my fingers, they felt much
weaker than my Multi hole tangs, so I did not use them. What type of tangs
did you use on your MK III, and were can we get them ? I would be as happy
as could be to get 1000 hours out of my next set, did you use Stainless
Steel Cables also ?
>
> Mike
Mike B/Gang:
I think Scott has some photos of my tail wires. I don't have any with me.
I just wrote a post describing my set up when this thread got started
several days ago.
I made up tangs from 4130 strap. I don't remember the dimensions. Used
cable ferules that look like little pulley wheels instead of thimbles. 4
turnbuckles located top and bottom of each horizontal stab.
I do not fold my airplane.
I like my cables tight. The way I check for proper tension is grab the
upper vertical stab leading edge near the top and the leading edge of a
horizontal stab near the outboard end while standing in front of the tail
section. I try to pull these to parts together. If I get any cable slack
while going through this exercise, my cables are too loose. When I "twang"
my cable I want it to sound like a guitar string.
If cables are loose, the Kolb will not fly correctly. That goes for tail
wires and elevator cables. Elevator cables can be checked by having someone
hold the elevators in place while you try to move the control stick forward
and aft. If there is fore and aft play the elevator cables are too loose.
During flight the tail wires are constantly loosening. Tail wires exert
inward force on the horizontal stablizers. The aluminum hinges are acting
as thrust washers wearing away the sides of the hinge tangs where they rub
against each other. To help reduce wear in this area I made some small
nylon thrust blocks which I placed between the inboard rear edge of each
horizontal stabalizer and the tailboom. These blocks help carry the inward
force of the tail wires. These blocks also prevent folding the elevators
up.
john h
mkIII - Drinking coffee in Rock Springs, Wyoming. A normal fuel stop when
flying from Oregon to Alabama.
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
> To help reduce wear in this area I made some small
> nylon thrust blocks which I placed between the inboard rear edge of each
> horizontal stabalizer and the tailboom. These blocks help carry the inwar
d
> force of the tail wires. These blocks also prevent folding the elevators
> up.
>
> john h
> mkIII - Drinking coffee in Rock Springs=2C Wyoming. A normal fuel stop wh
en
> flying from Oregon to Alabama.
Mornin' John=2C
Regarding your nylon thrust blocks=2C if I understand their placement cor
rectly=2C wouldn't the
hor. stab. slide fore and aft against them?
As we have discussed the hor. stab movement before=2C it moves fore and a
ft with the elevator travel (about 1/8" to 3/16"=2C at maximum elevator up
and down).
Is this a lubricated thrust block?
Soon=2C I hope=2C I will will be back to work on my plane=2C and I should
not have to fold the wings=2C either. (more about this soon).
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Great idea doing the spreadsheet on Kolb pilot ages. Would it be
possible to do one with engine / gearbox / AC type / fuel burn /
performance / hours on our Kolbs?
>
>>
Gilding the lily a bit isn`t it? What about propellers? you could have a
separate column for make/lenglh/number of blades/, pitch,. ground adj/
air adj.Wooden/fibreglass, how many bolts....
The age thing is of some use as it perhaps gives a wake up call that we
do not have enough youngsters coming along to sustain growth. If I was
building Kolbs I would be very interested and adjust the advertising
accordingly.
Is it really worth the work involved to know that someone, somewhere is
getting better fuel burn than me. i am not going to rush out and start
tearing carbs to pieces on that basis. All information is interesting of
course but in varying degrees and it must reflect the work involved in
collecting and collating it.
Its like having 64 options on your watch. Not because you need them but
because `its nice to have`
Sorry, must go now. I see by my watch that the surfs up in Hawaii.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Tail shaking |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
> I never mentioned a name, why did you did you take it personal?
>
> Jim Kmet
> ---
It is very obvious who this post was directed at, given you and your recent posts
in other threads directed at myself. You authored a post and included negative
comments that were uncalled for and designed stir up trouble again. Are
you now trying to lie to everyone on this list ? Are you saying that posting
negative and provocative crap is OK if you don't say a name ? Pretty sad people
like you are giving the Kolb list a bad name.
Mike
--------
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have !!!
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
Mike W/Gang:
If the elevator hinge pin is not centered on the center of the pivot
point of the elevator control mechanism, the horizontal stabilizer on
that side will have some fore and aft movement. The further the hinge
pin is off center, the more movement in the horizontal stabilizer.
My right horizontal stabilizer does not move, but the left moves about
an 1/8th inch.
Nylon blocks are somewhat self lubricating.
john h
mkIII
Rock Springs, WY
Regarding your nylon thrust blocks, if I understand their placement
correctly, wouldn't the
hor. stab. slide fore and aft against them?
As we have discussed the hor. stab movement before, it moves fore
and aft with the elevator travel (about 1/8" to 3/16", at maximum
elevator up and down).
Is this a lubricated thrust block?
Soon, I hope, I will will be back to work on my plane, and I should
not have to fold the wings, either. (more about this soon).
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Attention: Just "Mike" |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
What I have never done here is start threads like this that are that are designed
to do nothing more than attack other members of this list as you and a couple
others have just done. I have never mislead people on this list, and tried
to suppress good information about Kolbs here just because I did not like who
wrote it.
Remember what I said about Gang mentality, you and your little friends have done
far worse and posted far more offensive content than I ever have here on this
list. You just published a bunch of misleading and downright false statements,
taken out of threads where you and a couple of your friends have posted far
worse and offensive things.
Matt Dralle did ask you to stop this garbage, and I did honor his request, it was
over. Other members of this list are tired of the bickering and vindictive
behavior by a few bitter men such as yourself, and yet you just have to keep
it going... You are so desperate to keep bad blood going here on the list you
had to start a that was nothing but an attempt to start problems here on the
list again. You own behavior shows what kind man you are, don't blame your
bad behavior and problems here on the list on me when you go out of your way to
start threads like this.
Mike
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have !!!
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail shaking |
Got a suggestion. My suggestion does not have anything to do with this
thread or the subject line. Neither does the personal messages that have
overwhelmed the Kolb List in the past few days.
If it ain't related to building and flying Kolbs, take it back copy. The
majority of this List are not interested in a few of you acting like kids.
Take time to pull up Matt Dralles commandments on how to conduct yourself on
this List.
Don't let someone else control your feelings. Every time you react, you are
being controlled.
Quit grading others and try to learn something or share some information
about building and flying Kolbs.
john h
mkIII - Back to vacation mode.
Rock Springs, WY
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel support and brace |
John=2C
On my MkIII C=2C I would estimate my hor. stabilizers move fore and aft a
t least 1/8"=2C possibly 3/16". While I do not think this is excessive=2C
it is clear there are minor fabrication differences between your elevator h
inge and mine.
One thing=2C for sure=2C is I will experience wear on the front sliding a
ttach bolt=2C at the leading mount of the hor. stab. I will have plenty on
hand=2C and replace as needed!! This location would also be a good candid
ate for a shot of grease (just a tiny daub).
Due to movement differences of my tailfeathers=2C compared to your's=2C I
'm probably precluded from doing the same reinforcement as you did=2C altho
ugh I certainly see their value.
Mike Welch
MkIII
From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tail wheel support and brace
Date: Sat=2C 5 Sep 2009 07:27:24 -0600
Mike W/Gang:
If the elevator hinge pin is not centered on the center of the pivot point
of the elevator control mechanism=2C the horizontal stabilizer on that side
will have some fore and aft movement. The further the hinge pin is off ce
nter=2C the more movement in the horizontal stabilizer.
My right horizontal stabilizer does not move=2C but the left moves about an
1/8th inch.
Nylon blocks are somewhat self lubricating.
john h
mkIII
Rock Springs=2C WY
Regarding your nylon thrust blocks=2C if I understand their placement co
rrectly=2C wouldn't the
hor. stab. slide fore and aft against them?
As we have discussed the hor. stab movement before=2C it moves fore and a
ft with the elevator travel (about 1/8" to 3/16"=2C at maximum elevator up
and down).
Is this a lubricated thrust block?
Soon=2C I hope=2C I will will be back to work on my plane=2C and I should
not have to fold the wings=2C either. (more about this soon).
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Posting on the forum |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
There are a lot of people reluctant to post to this list, and it due more to a
small group of bitter men such as yourself that attack and intimidate any idea
or person on this list that you do not like. You have shown your desperation
to attack any post I have made in the past, and now you are resulting to starting
dedicated threads to satisfy your vindictive behavior. I wish you would
not read my posts, because I give a lot of good information here, and everyone
on this list would be better off if you would not try to suppress good and helpful
safety advice just because you feel the need to attack me at every opportunity.
Its sad that a few people like you are littering this group with nothing but bad
blood, vindictiveness, and personal attacks and then trying to blame someone
else for your bad behavior. Matt very nicely asked you and others to stop this,
and so far, you and a couple others have just been unable to let go of your
bitterness and personal grudges, and have kept this going by starting new threads.
Your old worn out excuse of blaming your behavior and post just like
the one you wrote here just does not cut it. You went to a lot of trouble to
talk about me, but by writing garbage as you see above you are just showing
what kind of bitter and vindictive man you are.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Bing carb cleaning |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
I'm going to clean my carbs while I have them off. Ronnie mentioned in class what
to use to clean it, but I don't think I wrote it down and I doubt I can reach
him on this holiday weekend.
The outside of the carbs are cruddy and I've got to clean up the gunk that deteriorated
choke seal left behind. Has anyone who has taken the 2 stroke or 4 stroke
Rotax class got the information of what product is suggested for cleaning
the Bing carbs?
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | soldering tail wires |
Kolb guys=2C
In the latest copy of Sport Aviation Magazine=2C there is an article abou
t securing the cable thimble with stainless steel wire=2C then soldered the
wrapped wire (3 locations).
This method of securing cable fittings allows for a very slender cable en
d=2C rather than that annoying nodule of a Nico lug. If they are finished
off with a covering of heat shrink=2C they look very professional.
BTW=2C although I haven't read the complete article=2C yet=2C it appears
as though the author also did some stress analysis tests (destructive testi
ng).
Has anyone fabricated their cables before with this kind of method? Real
ly does look nice!!
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Posting on the forum |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Rick Girard,
I would also like to quote Edmund Burke:
"All that is necessary for Gang mentality to triumph is good folks to do nothing"....Ouch.
You and a couple others have the mistaken idea that your bad behavior is acceptable,
because you are doing it as a little gang. We see this mentality with street
punks all the time, where kids are emboldened to do far worse with a group
of friends than they would ever be willing do on their own. You and your
little gang have posted far worse things on this list than I ever have. You are
so desperate to continue this that you continue to write negative posts even
after the problems were over.
People are just not buying your tired old excuse of blaming me for your and your
friends bad behavior and postings.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Attention: Just "Mike" |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
List,
I do get many emails and private messages from people that are afraid to report
VG and other results here on the list, because of a few people that like to gang
up and attempt to silence any opinion or person they do not like. The problems
on this list were over, and a couple bitter and vindictive individuals
are not willing to let them pass, and continue to write offensive posts as we
see above.
A couple of your have made it clear that your agenda is to drive me off this list,
and that you will do anything, including continuing a problem that is long
forgotten in order to do so. You might as well stop now, because I have been
here for almost 4 years, and I am NOT going anywhere. And we are all getting
tired of your little grudges, personal vendettas, and your need to continue
to trash up the Kolb list with them.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wire Tangs Breaking And other Tail Brace Issue Contin |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Possums wrote:
> At 11:15 PM 9/3/2009, you wrote:
>
> I only know
> of one person who was willing to tear the wings off of a Kolb in
> flight - on purpose (not with sandbags on the ground) and
> trust a chute to carry him down. This was done to find the weak link
> in the design. The "weak link" was fixed years ago and
> by weak - I mean more G's than you might ever do..
> Most of the stuff I have done is cosmetic or just for looks/comfort.
>
>
Possums,
You plane does look good, but some of your improvements are not cosmetic You say
you mods were done for " looks/comfort ".... Are you suggesting that you
put two sets of tail bracing wires on for looks ? Or that having two sets of tail
wires somehow make your plane more comfortable ? You did a very nice job
on your Kolb, it is disappointing to see you join in on the recent ugliness with
your last post, and that you would even downplay your own improvements in in
your kolb for the sake of fitting in with a few people that are intent on discrediting
anything I post. You have done some really nice things to your Kolb,
to downplay them to " Fit In " does a disservice to yourself and those that
might think about similar improvements to their planes.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Hey! I'm finally ready to "GET STARTED".>> At 70? Go girl!
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Thumb" <bill_joe(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aging Kolbers |
Hi Gang.....Bill Futrell,,,,started flying back in 1968,,,got my license
in a Cessna 150,,,,30 hrs in a 172....Got my helicopter rating an old G-47
and a little over a hundred hrs in it...and now I got a real fun plane to
fly,,,,a MK111xtra-912...my age is 72 ..
Bill Futrell
Brooksville Fl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 4:29 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aging Kolbers
>
> Oops! I went back over the posts and apparently I missed some responses.
>
> Current data
>
> 36 responders
>
> 8 @ 70 up
> 9 in 60s
> 8 in 50s
> 8 in 40s
> 3 under 40
>
> Mean 57.7
> Median 59
> Max 83
> Min 19
>
> ~ 53% under 60
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 66x34
>
> A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
> simple system that works.
> - John Gaule
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261381#261381
>
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb List Members: READ THIS |
Dear Kolb Listers,
I have been very disappointed in some of the dialog I have seen on the Kolb List
the last few days. First and foremost, let me quote a bit from the Kolb List
Usage Guidelines, that by the way were just posted 4 days ago:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
All of the personal attacks and he-said, she-said and frankly, just plain vulgar
and unacceptable dialog MUST STOP NOW. I like to run a open, un-moderated forum
where members should feel free to express their opinions about KOLB-related
topics. I don't want to baby-sit members and feel like I have to read every
message to make sure that someone isn't calling someone else names. That is
just completely UNACCEPTABLE behavior, especially for the average age of the
members of this List.
I'm not going to name any names or point any fingers at this point. You know what
you have posted and I'm sure that when you posted it you felt a twinge of
guilt knowing that it had nothing to with Kolb activities and/or would be considered
inflammatory by one or more other members. If there is any question, just
delete it before you post it.
I don't want to see ANYMORE messages with personal attacks, vulgar language, or
posts that aren't directly related to Kolb building or flying. I also expect
EVERYONE to treat EVERYONE on the List with *respect, kindness, and courtesy*.
Did I make myself clear on that?
August 28, 2009 - September 05, 2009
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