Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-ix
October 02, 2009 - October 23, 2009
Burt Rutan did not get locked into a world of conforming to what is accepted as
standard. Either did Homer Kolb.
I still read the Kolb List even though my FS has a new owner.
Fly safe all,
Jim
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Former Firestar II Builder/Pilot
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Dana,
I heard it said" that with age comes wisdom,but sometimes age comes alone".My greatest
fear.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 6:03 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
?
At 04:32 PM 10/2/2009, JetPilot wrote:?
>...Just because something may have been used 60 years ago or even on a
>very few odd planes, it still does not change the fact that heel brakes,
>levers, strings, or what every crazy design some people have come up with
>are a substandard shortcut...?
?
Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it
substandard. The vast majority of all production planes today have
nosewheels. closed cockpits, and wheel controls. That doesn't mean that
tailwheels, open cockpits, and control sticks are "substandard". It's a
matter of preference... and sometimes simplicity is better.?
?
-Dana (who PREFERS taildraggers with open cockpits, control sticks, and
heel brakes)?
?
--?
?To Be Old And Wise You Must First Be Young And Stupid?
?
?
?
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Powerfin props |
I heard that too. They did have a good product. Could be the
economy but it's more likely
the lawyers got to them first.
BB
On 2, Oct 2009, at 5:18 PM, frank.goodnight wrote:
>
>
>
> I tried to contact powerfin props today to get some leading edge
> material so I might rain
> proof my prop. All phone numbers have been disconected. after
> checking the web
> [to the best of my ability-wich is not very good] it appears they
> are in the process of going out of
> business. Hope no one gets burnt. A shame, I really like my
> powerfin prop.
>
> Frank Goodnight
> firestar
> Brownsville , TX
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
> There will alway be a few that say " it works for me " and accept
anything, as we have seen on past discussions of Fuel Filters, and other
things. When possible I believe in making my Kolb to accepted Aircraft
standards, It's not always possible but I do it where I can, and toe brakes
is one that can be easily done on the MK III. Smaller ultralights and the
Firefly may be more difficult, each person will have to decide for
themselves.
>
> Mike
Damn, Mike B/Gang:
You're making me feel bad. ;-)
I have heel brakes, been using the same fuel filter housing since 1984,
don't have VG's stuck on my airplane, but I still have my hair and bad
breath. I can assure you I do not accept just anything, even though it
works for me. My Kolb is already at accepted aircraft standards. Got a
certificate that indicates that.
I don't care for toe brakes. Flew them in the CH-54, Flying Crane (only
aircraft I ever flew with wheels, until I flew my Ultrastar without brakes);
C-152, and the MKIIIx. They work ok for me, but I like my little bitty heel
brakes.
I also like differential braking. Gives me a lot more capability. I don't
care for brake handles on control sticks or other places around the cockpit.
My left hand is busy with throttle and my right with the control stick. I
can operate my brakes with my heels and the rudder pedals with my toes.
When I fly my airplane, I fly with shoes or boots with small heels. This
accomodates and simplifies the braking operation.
Sitting here in Wendover, UT, overlooking Wendover Air Base, a very
historical piece of real estate in American history. Get a chance, do a
google search on the old WWII air base.
john h
Wendover, UT
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Damn, Mike B/Gang:
>
> You're making me feel bad. ;-)
>
> I have heel brakes, been using the same fuel filter housing since 1984,
> don't have VG's stuck on my airplane, but I still have my hair and bad
> breath. I can assure you I do not accept just anything, even though it
> works for me. My Kolb is already at accepted aircraft standards. Got a
> certificate that indicates that.
>
> I don't care for toe brakes. Flew them in the CH-54, Flying Crane (only
> aircraft I ever flew with wheels, until I flew my Ultrastar without brakes);
> C-152, and the MKIIIx. They work ok for me, but I like my little bitty heel
brakes.
>
> I also like differential braking. Gives me a lot more capability. I don't
> care for brake handles on control sticks or other places around the cockpit.
> My left hand is busy with throttle and my right with the control stick. I
> can operate my brakes with my heels and the rudder pedals with my toes.
>
>
> john h
> Wendover, UT
I don't like toe brakes either. And quite frankly, I love having the brakes where
I can lean on them with my throttle/left hand. Because the only time I need
to use both throttle and brakes at the same time is when I'm taxiing and trying
to get turned on a dime. And since I got a bad knee and arthritis in one foot,
it makes life a lot easier.
On the other hand, starting next month I will begin the rebuild on the FSII, and
I did not like the heel brakes set up according to how the factory did it. Since
this is a total rebuild, there are lots of options, including heel brakes
that are user friendly. So - do you have any pictures of your heel brakes setup,
especially any from the underside with the skin or the nose bowl off? Maybe
you got something I can copy.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Jim ODay wrote:
> Burt Rutan did not get locked into a world of conforming to what is accepted
as standard. Either did Homer Kolb.
>
> I still read the Kolb List even though my FS has a new owner.
>
> Fly safe all,
>
> Jim
Jim,
That is a really nice workmanship on your firestar pedals.
As far as Burt Rutan, I would be willing to bet his recent airplanes have toe brakes
and a standard set of controls as possible. There is a difference between
trying to to do something better, or more efficiently, and taking shortcuts
that result in non standard unfriendly controls. Burt Rutans work speaks for
itself, he is all about advancing aviation and making things better, not taking
shortcuts. Funny that a forum that rejects the aerodynamic facts of properly
designed wingtips, and until very recently VG's, would quote Burt Rutan.
Most people on this forum have been on the wrong side of what Burt Rutan
is all about...
Standardized flight controls is something that has been accepted by the entire
aviation world, the fact that you guys are arguing against this just shows that
have little interest in discussing aviation subjects, and more interest in discrediting
and disagreeing with any point made by me. No wonder the Kolb list
has been so quiet lately, its become an unfriendly place that values personal
politics over good advice and facts.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Powerfin props |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Its most likely the Lawyers... They sold a LOT of props and were in the process
of getting new and more advanced equipment. Given the popularity of their prop,
I would be willing to be that after the bankrupcy, or whatever happens, that
someone buys the rights to them and starts production. Just a guess, but
Powerfin props are so widely used by so many people, it would make business sense
for someone to start the line again.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
I've got heel brakes, work great, like them just fine.
--------
Jimmy Young
Houston, TX
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Good one Gary!
Glad there are Kolb s -- this is now Kolb-related
Russ
On Oct 2, 2009, at 6:37 PM, zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
> Dana,
> I heard it said" that with age comes wisdom,but sometimes age comes
> alone".My greatest fear.
> G.Aman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 6:03 pm
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
>
>
> At 04:32 PM 10/2/2009, JetPilot wrote:
> >...Just because something may have been used 60 years ago or even
> on a >very few odd planes, it still does not change the fact that
> heel brakes, >levers, strings, or what every crazy design some
> people have come up with >are a substandard shortcut...
>
> Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it
> substandard. The vast majority of all production planes today have
> nosewheels. closed cockpits, and wheel controls. That doesn't mean
> that tailwheels, open cockpits, and control sticks are
> "substandard". It's a matter of preference... and sometimes
> simplicity is better.
>
> -Dana (who PREFERS taildraggers with open cockpits, control sticks,
> and heel brakes)
>
> --
> To Be Old And Wise You Must First Be Young And Stupid
>
>
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
I flew my- KXP out of a very active airfleld for 10 years with a little f
orethought and --- NO BRAKES---My advice ,-if its worth anyth
ing--is go with OldPoops 2 hand actuated brake handles and use some for
ethought,- act like you are running a 50 foot 40 ton boat ,which has no b
rakes and carry on with grace!-Chris---------=0A-Chri
s Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Fir
efly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: George Alexand
er =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, October
2, 2009 2:06:17 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???=0A=0A--> K
olb-List message posted by: "George Alexander" =0A=0A
=0AJetPilot wrote:=0A> .............my Kolb has standard controls just like
every other plane in the world.=0A- =0A=0AMaybe most..... certainly many
, but hardly- "every other plane in the world."=0A=0A=0A=0AJetPilot wrote
:=0A> .............Heel brakes and hand levers can work, but its a design s
hortcut and substandard.=0A> =0A> Mike=0A=0A=0ABut may be a necessity.- I
know the original question related to MKIII's,- but those of us Kolb fly
ers with smaller nose cones (e.g. Firestars, Fireflys and some Ultrastars),
and who have big feet, generally don't have much choice .- Operating the
rudder pedals- with size 14 shoes in that small space is sometimes enoug
h of a challenge.- A design to incorporate toe brakes would be more of an
accomodation than I think would be worth it in my case.- Work hard to av
oid situations where brakes are critical.- Can't always do that, but as s
ome would say... "you pays your money and takes your chances".=0A=0AAs Beau
ford says..... worth what you paid fer it.=0A=0A--------=0AGeorge Alexander
=0AFS II R503- N709FS=0Ahttp://gtalexander.home.att.net=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARea
d this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
=========================0A
=========================0A
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke carb synchronizing |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Oops! Hopefully I caught this before someone goes out to their plane and
tries using my version of the Rotax instructions.4, Screw in idle adjustment
screw on carb connected to the fluid column with the lower level .....WRONG,
should be higher level. Higher level means more vacuum, opening the throttle
lowers vacuum.
Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb connected to the fluid column with
the lower level ....Well, at least I'm consistent, again should be higher
level, same reason.
Sorry guys and gals, typed faster than my brain could follow and confused
manometer and vacuum gauges. Didn't catch it until I was expanding the email
text for an article in the Chapter 88 newsletter this evening.
My apologies if I caused any confusion.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Here you go guys and gals. I'm not sure why Rotax has mechanical synching
> after pneumatic. I do it the other way, that's how it's spec'd for the 912
> and my HKS.This is really so simple, it just seems intimidating until you
> do it once. As with all things done with a running engine, tie the plane
> down and have an assistant ready to hit mag switch(es) if required. Before
> you start raise throttle cable boots so you can get at the cable adjustment
> screw. Give each cable a tug to see how much slop there is. When you get to
> cable adjustment that's most likely the one that will have to be adjusted.
>
> 1. Adjust idle air screw per Rotax or Bing for your engine / carb combo.
> 2. Warm up engine to operating temperature
> 3. Hook up manometer (incidentally, someone on the list suggested two
> stroke oil instead of water, I used transmission fluid because I had it
> loaded into a pressure gun to fill the brake system on my trike. That is the
> easiest way to get the fluid into the tube. Using oil also makes the levels
> a little slower acting so you make an adjustment and wait a bit for the
> fluid column to react. It's also less likely to get sucked into the engine
> if one carb is severely out of synch to the other. To get the initial level
> set before you hook up to the primer port blow into the tube with the higher
> level until they're even.
> 4. Start engine and let idle. Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb
> connected to the fluid column with the lower level until the columns are
> even. If that makes your idle speed too high adjust each screw back out
> until you get the idle speed you want and both fluid columns are even. If
> you do have to back out an idle adjustment screw make sure you haven't
> brought the throttle cable up tight so that the carb piston is no longer
> setting on the adjustment screw.
> 5. Set RPM to 3000. Loosen adjustment screw on the top of the carb with the
> lower fluid column and screw out adjustment until columns are almost even
> and tighten lock nut (this will raise the column very slightly, which is why
> you don't want to get them exactly equal. It's not much but you are after
> perfection, after all).
> 6. Shut off engine, disconnect manometer lines and plug with an AN 3 screw
> so the manometer stays clean, replace primer plugs or lines.
>
> I did my 582 while I had the wings off as spinning props make me nervous. I
> put an eyebolt (my local surplus store sells them cheap) in the board so I
> could safety wire the manometer to the aircraft, you could just as easily
> drill a hole and run safety wire through it.
> That's it.
>
> Rick Girard
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
So - do you have any pictures of your heel brakes setup, especially any
from the underside with the skin or the nose bowl off? Maybe you got
something I can copy.
>
> Richard Pike
Rev/Gang:
I probably have some pics of the brakes at home.
I built them per Kolb MKIII plans on the right side of the cockpit.
Used MATCO horizontal master cylinders and a loop of 1/4 clear plastic fuel
line for the reservoir. Drilled a couple 1/8" holes in the top of the loop
which is attached to the tube the rudder pedal springs are attached to.
Works great.
john h
Wendover, UT
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
> Standardized flight controls is something that has been accepted by the
entire aviation world, the fact that you guys are arguing against this just
shows that have little interest in discussing aviation subjects, and more
interest in discrediting and disagreeing with any point made by me. No
wonder the Kolb list has been so quiet lately, its become an unfriendly
place that values personal politics over good advice and facts.
>
> Mike
Mike B/Gang:
Most of us Kolbers that have been around for a while, that are really into
Kolb aircraft, aren't a whole lot interested in "standardized flight
controls" and what "has been accepted by the entire aviation world."
What I have works and works well. Where my little mkIII has flown speaks
for itself.
Every member of the List has the right to agree or disagree with anyone else
on this List. The Kolb List was not an unfriendly List before you got here
and it is not an unfriendly List now. Some of the members may be, but the
List, as a whole, is not.
Getting ready to cross the street to the Rainbow Casino and attempt to
devour all the King Crab Legs I can at the Sea Food Buffet. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Wendover, UT
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
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John , every time my fingers get raised to make a reactionary coment , you
reply with that great , mellow attitude and say what I was going to say but
, the way "it should be said" thank you for your input, with respect ! Chr
is=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from cra
sh building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
John Hauck =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Fr
i, October 2, 2009 9:58:28 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or
m>=0A=0A=0A> Standardized flight controls is something that has been accept
ed by the entire aviation world, the fact that you guys are arguing against
this just shows that have little interest in discussing aviation subjects,
and more interest in discrediting and disagreeing with any point made by m
e.- - No wonder the Kolb list has been so quiet lately, its become an u
nfriendly place that values personal politics over good advice and facts.
=0A> =0A> Mike=0A=0A=0AMike B/Gang:=0A=0AMost of us Kolbers that have been
around for a while, that are really into Kolb aircraft, aren't a whole lot
interested in "standardized flight controls" and what "has been accepted by
the entire aviation world."=0A=0AWhat I have works and works well.- Wher
e my little mkIII has flown speaks for itself.=0A=0AEvery member of the Lis
t has the right to agree or disagree with anyone else on this List.- The
Kolb List was not an unfriendly List before you got here and it is not an u
nfriendly List now.- Some of the members may be, but the List, as a whole
, is not.=0A=0AGetting ready to cross the street to the Rainbow Casino and
attempt to devour all the King Crab Legs I can at the Sea Food Buffet.- ;
====0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
Would it be more standard if I replaced my fabric with aluminum or should I go
for carbon fiber?
I think I need a Continental as well, not sure the 912 is really standard aircraft
stuff
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
New Zealand { home of Richard Pearse} who left the ground in powered fight
in March 1903.Had some control problems.>>
Yeah!
If you seen the bits of his plane in the Auckland Museum? As unlikely a
pile of scrap to make it into the air as you can imagine. That propeller!
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
a lot of plane manufactures have gone to nose dragging... that does not
infer that all tail draggers are obsolete, or sub standard, just
different.>>
No, of course it doen`t but the tricyle gear is so obnviously better in all
respects that all other things being equal you wouldn`t choose a taildragger
would you.?
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
> the tricyle gear is so obnviously better in all
> respects that all other things being equal you wouldn`t choose a
> taildragger would you.?
>
> Pat
Patrick/Gang:
For my kind of flying, my mkIII tail dragger does a much better job than a
tri gear.
john h
mkIII
Wendover, UT - Wish I hadn't eaten all those crab legs last night. Ugh!
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| Subject: | Re: Powerfin props |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
A couple weeks ago I emailed PowerFin asking the question directly and after about
a week finally got a response. They confirmed that they are out of business.
Sad day when a good company with a great product goes down the tubes.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: 2 stroke carb synchronizing |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
The manometer has to be the most accurate method .But for me,two new round no.2
pencils worked fine.
? G.Aman former 503dcdi carb synchronizer.My spell checker claims that we have
invented a new word!
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2009 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2 stroke carb synchronizing
Oops! Hopefully I caught this before someone goes out to their plane and tries
using my version of the Rotax instructions.
4, Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb connected to the fluid column with the
lower level?.....WRONG, should be higher level. Higher level means more vacuum,
opening the throttle lowers vacuum.
Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb connected to the fluid column with the lower
level?....Well, at least I'm consistent, again should be higher level, same
reason.
Sorry guys and gals, typed faster than my brain could follow and confused manometer
and vacuum gauges. Didn't catch it until I was expanding the email text for
an article in the Chapter 88 newsletter this evening.
My apologies if I caused any confusion.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
Here you go guys and gals. I'm not sure why Rotax has mechanical synching after
pneumatic. I do it the other way, that's how it's spec'd for the 912 and my HKS.
This is really so simple, it just seems intimidating until you do it once. As with
all things done with a running engine, tie the plane down and have an assistant
ready to hit mag switch(es) if required. Before you start raise throttle
cable boots so you can get at the cable adjustment screw. Give each cable a tug
to see how much slop there is. When you get to cable adjustment that's most
likely the one that will have to be adjusted.
1. Adjust idle air screw per Rotax or Bing for your engine / carb combo.
2. Warm up engine to operating temperature
3. Hook up manometer (incidentally, someone on the list suggested two stroke oil
instead of water, I used transmission fluid because I had it loaded into a pressure
gun to fill the brake system on my trike. That is the easiest way to get
the fluid into the tube. Using oil also makes the levels a little slower acting
so you make an adjustment and wait a bit for the fluid column to react. It's
also less likely to get sucked into the engine if one carb is severely out
of synch to the other. To get the initial level set before you hook up to the
primer port blow into the tube with the higher level until they're even.
4. Start engine and let idle. Screw in idle adjustment screw on carb connected
to the fluid column with the lower level until the columns are even. If that makes
your idle speed too high adjust each screw back out until you get the idle
speed you want and both fluid columns are even. If you do have to back out an
idle adjustment screw make sure you haven't brought the throttle cable up tight
so that the carb piston is no longer setting on the adjustment screw.
5. Set RPM to 3000. Loosen adjustment screw on the top of the carb with the lower
fluid column and screw out adjustment until columns are almost even and tighten
lock nut (this will raise the column very slightly, which is why you don't
want to get them exactly equal. It's not much but you are after perfection,
after all).
6. Shut off engine, disconnect manometer lines and plug with an AN 3 screw so the
manometer stays clean, replace primer plugs or lines.
I did my 582 while I had the wings off as spinning props make me nervous. I put
an eyebolt (my local surplus store sells them cheap) in the board so I could
safety wire the manometer to the aircraft, you could just as easily drill a hole
and run safety wire through it.
That's it.
Rick Girard
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter |
Edition 3.0
Thom,
you kindly sent pics of your exhaust set up. Here is mine showing the
proximity of the exhaust to the oil pressre sender. Also a pic of my
dreaded flap lever. I am getting used to it but it really is pretty
dreadful.
Pat
The sender has included tags, so you can do more with these photos.
Download Photoshop (R) Album Starter Edition-Free!
http://www.adobe.com/aboutstarteredition
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| Subject: | Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter |
Edition 3.0
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Pat,
Don't mean to intrude but,have you considered a 45 degree fitting into the block
and then the sender into that?
G.Aman
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Thom,
you kindly sent pics of your exhaust set up.?
Here is mine showing the proximity of the exhaust to the oil pressre sender.
Also a pic of my dreaded flap lever. I am getting used to it but it really is
pretty dreadful.
?
Pat
The sender has included tags,
so you can do more with these photos. Download Photoshop (R) Album Starter
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| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
I really like your engine and I know what You mean about that Flap lever I have
flown Vics MK3Xtra with the Flap in the same place You got to be a contortionist
to use it comfortably
I really like where the flap Levers are in Both my Mk3Xtra and Mk3C up over head
Ellery?in MAINE?
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Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2009 8:49 am
Subject: Kolb-List: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter
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Thom,
you kindly sent pics of your exhaust set up.? Here is mine showing the proximity
of the exhaust to the oil pressre sender. Also a pic of my dreaded flap lever.
I am getting used to it but it really is pretty dreadful.
?
Pat
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
That's pretty cool,Pat....is it quieter??? And I can't figure out how you do
your flap handle..???? What the heck do you grab onto ??? lol
chris ambrose
m3x/jab 70.HRS
n327cs
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Dana wrote:
> Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it
> substandard.
>
> -Dana (who PREFERS taildraggers with open cockpits, control sticks, and
> heel brakes)
>
>
I like toe brakes, that does not mean much, but the entire aviation world has accepted
this standard, and that means a lot. You try that just because YOU don't
like them, well its the entire aviation community...
You go on to try to change this discussion into something about Taildragers, Open
Cockpits, control sticks, etc. which are different types of aircraft and have
NOTHING to do about standardized controls. Don't put words into my mouth
and try to imply that I am against different types of aircraft, that is just
lame on your part.
People see this type of Junior High clique behavior, where the same certain few
are so intent on being popular, that you attack anything posted by someone like
me that is not part of the " In Group ". Why do you think this Kolb list
has very little activity ? This list has turned into the same few guys so intent
on harassing and discrediting anything that I post, that you will post bad
advice and bad information in favor of your personal politics. People see
this, and are afraid to post here. John H is right on one thing, not everyone
here is unfriendly, but there are a few here that have created an unfriendly
atmosphere on the list, at the expense of everyone.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
At 09:36 AM 10/3/2009 Saturday, you wrote:
>
>
>Dana wrote:
>> Just because YOU don't like something, Mike, doesn't make it
>> substandard.
>>
>
>
>People see this type of Junior High clique behavior, where the same certain few
are so intent on being popular, that you attack anything posted by someone like
me that is not part of the " In Group ". Why do you think this Kolb list
has very little activity ? This list has turned into the same few guys so
intent on harassing and discrediting anything that I post, that you will post
bad advice and bad information in favor of your personal politics. People see
this, and are afraid to post here. John H is right on one thing, not everyone
here is unfriendly, but there are a few here that have created an unfriendly
atmosphere on the list, at the expense of everyone.
>
>Mike
Are you guys fricken kidding me? Why must this BS continue? Always with the mud
slinging. How many times to I have to step in and stop this? Why must I baby-sit
you all the time?
No more post like this, period.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Greetings,
IMHO my heel brakes work just fine, I have no need to change them to toe
brakes. As soon as I got used to them it was not a problem for me. The
Piper Colt I also fly has no heel brakes or toe brakes, it also took some
getting used to but it is no longer a problem for me.
Now what was the question?
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II N4GU
El Paso, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
| From: | "Dana" <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Here's a couple of pix of my "substandard" heel brake installation for anybody
who's interested. Not saying they're "better", never did, but they work just
fine for me.
-Dana
Growing old is inevitable, but we can stay immature indefinitely.
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
At TOK we had tried toe brakes on a M3 and none of us liked them - not even
a little. When you pushed on the toe brake, the whole pedal assembly would
tend to move away, so you had to press on the opposite pedal with a
balancing force. This required very deft feet. We didn't leave them on for
long - the heels worked much much better. Perhaps we could have fine-tuned
things to work better, but we felt the heels worked so much better, that we
were disinclined to spend any more time on the toe brakes.
Dennis
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Guys,
Now that Power fin has gone out of business what other prop is as
light weight, that is also adjustable and rigid? I was intending on getting
one for my Firefly, because I was told it did not flex so badly at idle like
the Ivo. Also because I need to keep it light.
Ed Diebel
Houston Tx FF# 62
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| From: | <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
That may be so Pat,but we do have a couple of replica aircraft of Richards
design in the hanger of old stuff ,one of them has a engine built to his
design and they show promise. Working rudder, elevators and real wing
controls ,not wing warping , it has a tricycle undercarriage { you know the
one with the trainer wheel out front } and that funny propeller does
produce some interesting thrust.
Downunder
MK111c
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From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
>
> New Zealand { home of Richard Pearse} who left the ground in powered fight
> in March 1903.Had some control problems.>>
>
> Yeah!
>
> If you seen the bits of his plane in the Auckland Museum? As unlikely a
> pile of scrap to make it into the air as you can imagine. That propeller!
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
HI Robert,,
Now , would I?
/.. I did qualify it by saying `all other things being equal`
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album Starter |
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a 45 degree fitting into the block ""
Might work. I will have a shufti .Thanks
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
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Hi Ellery,
<>
You can`t reach it at all with the right hand so I have to reach across
my body with my left. Seriously bad design. If I hadn`t been so smitten
with the looks of the Kolb I would never have bought the plane. Bad case
of heart ruling head.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
For my kind of flying, my mkIII tail dragger does a much better job than a
tri gear.>>
Hi John,
I just know I am going to regret starting this. Why?. In what respect is a
tail dragger better?
Enquiringly ( and really envying you the crab)
Pat
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 01:12 AM 10/4/2009, DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote:
> Now that Power fin has gone out of business what other prop is as
> light weight, that is also adjustable and rigid? I was intending on
> getting one for my Firefly, because I was told it did not flex so badly
> at idle like the Ivo. Also because I need to keep it light.
Powerfins are very light, but fragile... bad news for a pusher where the
landing gear may kick rocks into it. I watched a MKIII crash after the
Powerfin prop exploded on takeoff at about 50' (shouldn't have been a crash
but the pilot concentrated on shutting down the engine instead of flying
the plane). The owner had repaired nicks in the prop from gravel strikes
without realizing the cracks extended all the way through the rigid part
into the foam core.
If I was in the market for a plastic prop, it'd be a Warp Drive. Not as
light as the Powerfin but very rigid and bulletproof..
Of course if you want light weight there's also the GSC adjustable wood
props
<http://www.ultralightprops.com/tech_series_props/gsc_tech_groundadjust.htm>.
I have one on one of my PPG's; they're beautifully made and less expensive
than any plastic prop.
-Dana
--
(A)bort, (R)etry, (P)retend it didn't happen?
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| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
It really doesn't make a difference to me Heal or Toe Brakes when I had small tires
on the brakes worked ok now I have bigger tires on the brakes dont seem to
work as well, I made a change and got a reaction, now I have to make another
change to get the reaction I am looking for
Heres a Few pic's Flying around Maine ??in a Kolb MK3C See attachements?
Ellery Flying around Maine
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Pat
Briefly, and not to start a long thread --
Kolbs are pusher taildraggers; so this is Kolb-related. Of course
pushers are different from tractors, but most GA taildraggers are
tractors, and IMHO:
are much better for any kind of bush flying; keeps the prop up out of
the brush.
do better landing on soft ground; nosewheels are usually smaller than
mains and can dig in more easily
have less tendency to nose-over
for photography, gear leg is FORWARD of wing-strut, and out of the way
no nose gear & strut right behind prop, in the hi-speed airflow, to
produce lots of drag
easier to hand-prop as the prop is higher off the ground
easier to get in & out of, esp for creaky or disabled pax
if tailwheel is flat, broken or missing, you can still fly,
carefully. Not so with nosewheels.
Taildraggers just LOOK so much better!
So. As I said, just IMHO
Fly & enjoy; winter's coming
Russ
On Oct 4, 2009, at 7:04 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> For my kind of flying, my mkIII tail dragger does a much better job
> than a
> tri gear.>>
>
> Hi John,
> I just know I am going to regret starting this. Why?. In what
> respect is a tail dragger better?
>
> Enquiringly ( and really envying you the crab)
>
> Pat
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Remind me when I get home. I disected a Warp Drive prop blade grip and also a
GSC. You may change your mind about GSC after you see these two photos.
The reason I started flying Warp Drive Props in 1993, was GSC. I had a GSC 3 blade
wood prop mounted on a 582 on my mkIII. During climb out at WOT a blade
failed, hit the tail boom, and collected the other two blades. I couldn't afford
for this to happen again. GSC promptly sent me a new prop and hub. I promptly
sold it.
Moab, Utah
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Advantage (disadvantage?) of a nose wheel is that one tends to drive the
aircraft on the ground rather than fly it on the ground. This can cause
problems when taxiing in gusty winds. Also another advantage
(disadvantage?) is that due to the cg being ahead of the main landing gear,
one can land the aircraft in a crab with less tendency to ground loop. When
this is done there is a greater chance to fold the gear due to the increased
side loading and stress on the landing gear.
When flying a tail dragger configuration, one readily learns to pay
attention to flying the aircraft on the ground, and not to land in a crab.
Glider pilots are the best versed on flying on the ground, as they have only
one main wheel. Also, with the cg behind the main gear, the load
distribution upon takeoff rotation favors the tail dragger, in that, it
allows one to get off soft field easier than a nose wheel aircraft. As one
tries to early rotate a nose wheel aircraft with the cg ahead of the main
gear, much more weight is shifted to the main gear than with a tail dragger.
In side profile drag, I don't know if there is advantage in either
configuration. The tail dragger has a longer wheel base. And so the tail
wheel may give better ground stability than a nose wheel. But it may be a
toss up as to which is better.
Over all I like the tail dragger, as I believe it makes a better pilot out
you as it demands that you continue to fly the aircraft while on the ground.
FWIW - a couple of hours work away from first start up on the MZ 34
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Taildragger or nosedragger |
Pat=2C and Kolb people=2C
What is better=2C a taildragger or nosedragger? It depends on the type o
f flying a person does. Why would the type of flying=2C or more specifical
ly=2C the type of LANDING they do=2C be more appropriate for non-airport ty
pe landings?
Here's why:
Example=3B A nosewheel airplane usually has a smaller wheel than the mai
ns. In the process of slowing down (during the landing roll)=2C much more
pressure is applied to the nosewheel as the plane pitches forward. This do
wnward force is pushing on ONE (!) small tire. On any kind of soft grass/d
irt/mud/etc runway=2C a nosewheel airplane runs the risk of "digging in"=2C
and flipping over.
Contrast that idea with a taildragger. When applying brakes=2C to slow d
own from landing=2C you are concentrating the airplane's weight on TWO whee
ls. Each of these two wheels are larger than what only one small nosewhee
l would be=2C thereby distributing the airplane's weight better (and safer)
. Also=2C as the plane drops it's tailwheel=2C the center of gravity shift
's rearward=2C which is also better if landing on a soft surface.
This fact alone is why there is no such thing as a nosewheel bush plane.
It would be foolish to build upon a flawed concept of using a nosewheel de
sign in a soft field environment.
Airplane=2C like automobiles=2C come in many different styles. What work
s for one=2C will not likely work well for another. If someone believes a
taildragger airplane works better for them=2C then they most likely see a l
ot of non-airport landings.
Additionally=2C since most taildragger designs are tractor types=2C they
often has much better prop clearance from thrown-up debri=2C when the plane
has slowed down (and resting on the tailwheel).
Nosewheel style planes have their place in airport operations=2C or at le
ast on hard surface runways.
Worked on my MkIII yesterday for the first time in 6 months. Yay! I'm n
earing completion on my house that I'm building. I'm looking forward to wo
rking fulltime on the Kolb all winter. I should be able to finish it in ab
out 3 months.
Mike Welch
MkIII
=0A
_________________________________________________________________=0A
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.=0A
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Thought I could finish up the MZ34 installation today but Murphy showed up.
I put the fuel tank back in and was ready to reconnect the fuel line to the
engine. Before reinstalling the squeeze bulb, I found I could not squeeze
it. It is hard as a rock. Evidently the fuel in side the bulb kept it
flexible and when disconnected it dried out and became hard. Only ten years
old, so I guess it was time.
Will make a trip to Walmart to see if they have one. If they don't I will
soak the original in gas over night as see if it softens up.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album |
Starter
On the plus side, I'd bet that after muffler does a good job of quieting the
exhaust sound>>
Hi Thom,
well it got the sound low enough to pass the `decibel gun` test. This is
tested only once when the plane goes for type approval. Not on each plane
built.
Any change in the exhaust system would mean retesting. Not impossible but I
would have to arrange for a test to be carried out at my expense. A total
redesign might effect the C of G too. I wouldn`t ordinarily consider it but
a slight rearrangement near that oil pressure sender might be possible.
In spite of passing the noise test my plane is by far the noisiest on the
field. But it can out climb anyone else so it has its compensations..
Regarding which I had a `heads up` last week. The strip is in the middle of
a Low Level Corridor used by C130`s from a local field. Sitting on the end
of the strip just about to open the throttle to take off and a C130 cruised
across right in my climb out. I spoke to the safety officer at the RAF field
they operate from and complained. He was a bit dismissive when I said
`microlight` and in the subsequent exchange of letters he said that in
effect even with registered microlight fields the C130 crews assume that
they only fly at weekends and holidays and that the C130`s were entitled to
fly down to 250 ft in the Corridor and `see and be seen` was the order of
the day.
I told him that we have a Cub and an Auster operate from the field as well
but with their rate of climb they had no problem.
I pointed out that sitting in a field with high hedges on either side rather
limits the horizontal view of approaching a/c and that I could be at 250ft
in about 15 seconds. Did that give his crews time to take evasive action?. I
think that shook him a bit as he has promised to bring it to the attention
of the C130 crews. Heh! Heh!
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album |
Starter
That's pretty cool,Pat....is it quieter??? And I can't figure out how you
do your flap handle..???? What the heck do you grab onto ???>>
Hi Ces,
Well....quiet enough to be legal. The flaps? Left hand across body. What am
I supposed to hang on to???? Ask the Kolb factory.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
John,
If I knew where your GSC prop blade failed ... I have since forgotten.
Where did the blade fail? I do recall when building a SS for the twin
engine 2si engine package, that I cut out a piece of 6" tubing and made a
doubler plate for the fuselage tube under the prop area. Maybe this was an
inspiration from your GSC prop experience.
Dennis
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:14 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Props
Remind me when I get home. I disected a Warp Drive prop blade grip and also
a GSC. You may change your mind about GSC after you see these two photos.
The reason I started flying Warp Drive Props in 1993, was GSC. I had a GSC
3 blade wood prop mounted on a 582 on my mkIII. During climb out at WOT a
blade failed, hit the tail boom, and collected the other two blades. I
couldn't afford for this to happen again. GSC promptly sent me a new prop
and hub. I promptly sold it.
Moab, Utah
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Firestars & gusts????? |
Decided to pratice takeoffs and landings today , in gusty conditions.
Firestar 2 @ 725lbs
Runway heading 13
wind 170 @ 14k gusting 20k, gust were rather closely spaced.
DA 2400 ft.
My goal was to touch down within 50 yards of my selected touch down
point and feel
safe and in compleat control. I couldn't do it. I was really pushing
it to stay within 100 yards.
I only did 6 landings because I felt like I was at or maybe exceading
my skill limits.
As I am planing 2 rather long X countrys this spring, one to Utah &
one to Sun&Fun, I'm
sure I'll run into rough weather and I need to pratice for it.
MY questions to anyone who flys a firestar are , what do you think is
a reasonable limit for
the firestar regarding gusty conditions and crosswind components?
I realize that each pilot has a different skill level, I,m trying to
raise mine up to what the airplane can do, but I don't want to push
hard enough to get in trouble. any thoughts will be appreciated
and helpful.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar2 HKS 55161
Brownsville , TX
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| From: | "The Kuffels" <kuffel(at)cyberport.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Taildragger or nosedragger |
Both have their pluses and minuses. But for grass or unimproved runways
I much prefer a taildragger.
When I lived in Anchorage my next door neighbor got an absolutely
fantastic deal on a Cessna 182 in South Carolina. On his first flight
after getting back to Alaska he landed at the best maintained grass
airfield in the state. While taxing slowly, the nose wheel caught a rut
and folded back. Between the bent firewall and the prop strike the
plane was totaled and never flew again.
So when flying my Mooney I'm extra cautious when not on paved ground.
At least it has trailing link knee action in front which is less
vulnerable than the Cessnas.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building original FireStar
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> If I knew where your GSC prop blade failed ... I have since forgotten.
> Where did the blade fail?
>
> Dennis
Dennis S/Gang:
I have an idea the double K&N air filter I was using decided to depart its
normal location and went through the prop. Either that or one blade failed,
hitting the tail boom, and collected the other two blades. Had a large dent
in the tail boom, which was knocked about 5 to 10 degrees out of column.
Had no idea they tail boom was no longer straight until after I landed.
I was in a steep climbing attitude, WOT, when I experienced a very loub
explosion and immediate terrific vibration. I didn't have time to shut down
the engine. When the prop failed, it instantaneously shook both carbs out
of their sockets. Only thing holding them on to the aircraft was the
cables. I had the standard Rotax starter mounted on the mag eng of the 582.
It was hanging by the positive battery cable after the bell housing broke.
I put the mkIII in a shoe box forced landing area. Thank God I had 40
degrees of flaps to get me down and stopped before I hit a large bamboo
thicket. I had to ground loop the mkIII to keep from hitting the thicket.
To add to my delema, the Johnson grass in the field was shoulder high. Did
not put a scratch on the mkIII during the forced landing.
Says a lot for the capability of the Kolb MKIII. Not a classic, because
there were no classics until the MKIIIx came along. Don't change the
designation of my MKIII because of that. I have a MKIII, and TNK designed a
MKIII Extra. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Moab, Utah
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestars & gusts????? |
> I realize that each pilot has a different skill level, I,m trying to
> raise mine up to what the airplane can do, but I don't want to push hard
> enough to get in trouble. any thoughts will be appreciated
> and helpful.
>
> Frank Goodnight
Hi Frank G/Gang:
Capability of any Kolb and its pilot, to me, is what that pilot feels
comfortable with.
That is how I approach the capabilities of my mkIII and the other Kolb
models I get to fly occasionally.
Many times, when I get caught in bad weather conditions, my mkIII
demonstrates it is a better airplane than I am a pilot.
I learned to fly Kolbs by flying frequently, almost every day, pushing the
envelope more each time I flew. Flew in all kinds of wind and weather
conditions. I learned a lot. Some good and some very bad. The bad part
was my fault, not the airplanes'.
BTW: I also practiced a lot of dead stick landings. Wish I could execute
them now as good as I could 20 years ago. The reason, I don't practice
nearly enough.
Looking forward to seeing Frank G at Monument Valley, May 2010. Hope I get
there early so I can watch Frank land and see the big ass grin on his face
when he taxiis up to the tie down cable.
Experiencing my second dust storm in Moab. First since John W, Boyd Y, and
I rode one out at the airport a few years ago.
john h
mkIII
Moab, Utah
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album |
Starter
> A total
> redesign might effect the C of G too. I wouldn`t ordinarily consider it
> but a slight rearrangement near that oil pressure sender might be
> possible.
> Pat
Patrick L/Gang:
Kolbs are noted for their rather wide cg range.
Takes quite a bit of weight to make a noticeable change in cg.
Doubt changing/rerouting exhaust systems and pipes would amount to a hill of
beans.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "Jim Baker" <jlbaker(at)msbit.net> |
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.51)
X-SpamReason %%SpamReason%%:
> Now that Power fin has gone out of business what other prop is as
> light weight, that is also adjustable and rigid? I was intending on
> getting one for my Firefly, because I was told it did not flex so
> badly at idle like the Ivo. Also because I need to keep it light.
>
>
>
> Ed Diebel
This is NOT about how bad Ivo props are,,,many love them.... but
rather one of the reasons I'm not wild about them ( I have a Warp on
mine).
Test flew another gentleman's FS 2 with an Ivo and was really
surprised at the stall characteristics. Just as I approached a stall
the Ivo would "unload"/cavitate and instead of a nice smooth break
the plane would quit flying immediately, not buffet a bit as mine
will. The airspeed would dramatically drop as the prop stopped
producing any thrust whatsoever. Really bad behaviour.....
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
405. 426.5377 cell
Elmore City, OK
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> John, how did you extract the Kolb from the shoebox?
> BB
Hi Bob B/Gang:
Pulled the wings and trailered it out.
Dinged the leading edge of the upper vertical stabilizer loading into the
trailer. ;-(
Little Mike sent me a "2d" tail boom, and I was back in business in a couple
weeks, only to have the 582 seize. Got it into a small hay field. Wiped
out the landing gear trying to fly it out. That was the last flight of the
mkIII until Bro Jim built new landing gear, and I repaired the damage, and
installed my new 912. That was winter of 93/94. Flew again a couple days
prior to Sun and Fun 1994. Two months later it flew 17,400 miles in 41 days
and 232.0 flight hours. Think I got the bugs worked out of it by then. ;-)
john h
mkIII - I break'em. Me and Bro Jim fix'em.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Dana wrote:
> Here's a couple of pix of my "substandard" heel brake installation for anybody
who's interested. Not saying they're "better", never did, but they work just
fine for me.
>
> -Dana
>
> Growing old is inevitable, but we can stay immature indefinitely.
Dana, that is sweet, much better than the stock cable operated setup. I saved those
pix, I can actually see myself liking that, thanks.
(Now if John will ever get over his crabs and go home so he can post some pix...)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldpoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266511#266511
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Squeeze Bulb |
In a message dated 10/4/2009 1:51:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net writes:
Will make a trip to Walmart to see if they have one.
Jack,
I had the same problem with the squeeze bulb getting hard after being dry
for a few weeks, while I was cleaning out the fuel tank and installing new
fuel lines. Walmart only had the 3/8" size, but I found a 1/4" size at
NAPA auto parts. They have a few parts in their marine department.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Great news Jack! I for one am waiting for your next report and Im sure
others are interested.
Ed Diebel
In a message dated 10/4/2009 9:51:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net writes:
FWIW - a couple of hours work away from first start up on the MZ 34
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Firestars & gusts????? |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
Frank, I have done 17kts at about 45 degrees without problems but not without attention.
I also glt hit by 20 MPH at 90 degrees and stomped on the brakes to stop a ground
loop damaged the nose.
I usually do wheel landings in crosswind although I have heard people argue for
3 pointers in crosswind.
Flew today with 20+ winds, only one crosswind takeoff, a bit sloppy, all else into
the wind
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266534#266534
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: You have received photos from Adobe Photoshop Album |
Starter
Doubt changing/rerouting exhaust systems and pipes would amount to a hill of
beans.>>
Thanks John.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
When you pushed on the toe brake, the whole pedal assembly would
tend to move away, so you had to press on the opposite pedal with a
balancing force. This required very deft feet. We didn't leave them on for
long - the heels worked much much better>>
Hi Denis,
looks as though you unloaded your suspect stuff on the English Distributor.
I have toe brakes on my 3xtra and the problem is exactly as you describe.
The rudder pedals move away from you unless you specifically balance the
force with the other foot. The strain on the rudder cables must be terrific.
That and the Flap lever......Grief.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Pat,
Don't know why they might have adopted the toe brakes. Probably because
real airplanes have toe brakes and they wanted it to be more like a real
airplane - dunno. Certainly not from our recommendation and we never sold
toes brakes either.
Flap handle ... sorry about that.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pj.ladd
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
When you pushed on the toe brake, the whole pedal assembly would
tend to move away, so you had to press on the opposite pedal with a
balancing force. This required very deft feet. We didn't leave them on for
long - the heels worked much much better>>
Hi Denis,
looks as though you unloaded your suspect stuff on the English Distributor.
I have toe brakes on my 3xtra and the problem is exactly as you describe.
The rudder pedals move away from you unless you specifically balance the
force with the other foot. The strain on the rudder cables must be terrific.
That and the Flap lever......Grief.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Pat, would it be possible to put an extension on the flap handle to
give it a more advantageous reach?
-and BTW, how many xtras had it there?
BB
On 5, Oct 2009, at 8:09 AM, Dennis Souder wrote:
>
> Pat,
>
> Don't know why they might have adopted the toe brakes. Probably
> because
> real airplanes have toe brakes and they wanted it to be more like a
> real
> airplane - dunno. Certainly not from our recommendation and we
> never sold
> toes brakes either.
>
> Flap handle ... sorry about that.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pj.ladd
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:42 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
>
>
> When you pushed on the toe brake, the whole pedal assembly would
> tend to move away, so you had to press on the opposite pedal with a
> balancing force. This required very deft feet. We didn't leave
> them on for
> long - the heels worked much much better>>
>
> Hi Denis,
> looks as though you unloaded your suspect stuff on the English
> Distributor.
> I have toe brakes on my 3xtra and the problem is exactly as you
> describe.
> The rudder pedals move away from you unless you specifically
> balance the
> force with the other foot. The strain on the rudder cables must be
> terrific.
> That and the Flap lever......Grief.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
I was wondering what the purpose of a Jump Seat is on a Firestar II or
any "single" place Kolb for that matter. is it just for a child? Can
an adult fit in it? maybe a person about 165 lbs or less?
Thanks everyone!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
I am wondering how you go about putting a full enclosure on a firestar II
and what benefits does it have, as well as what downsides are there. If you
have a jump seat can you still get into it with a full enclosure. Is there a
place to buy the enclosures?
Thanks everyone. I hope to be a proud Kolb owner very soon (pending answers
to these questions)
Eric M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Firestars & gusts????? |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hey Mr. Frank,
Not an expert, just passing on my experiences.
I too had done some crosswind and higher wind condition practice prior to my trip
to MV.
I have to build up to that point and stay proficient to be be ahead of the plane.
Practice, practice, practice is the only way I can maintain that skill level.
If I take the easy path of light wind flying, I have to make myself go out
and start again.
I was a faithful three point lander until my trip out west in some pretty stiff
conditions. I got converted to three point landings quickly. Found it easier
it wing low and wheel land in the conditions you describe. I found that you
can stick it on the runway with a little more speed and rudder authority.
One additonal thing to consider that I neglected in my practice for the long XC's.
That would be tailwind landings. As you know, MV (UT25) is one way in and
one way out. It really got my attention after a long day of flying from Vernon,
TX to MV and arrive with the wind blowing in the wrong direction. When
I flared, I thought I was going 90 mph. Weird feeling and unusual visual cues.
Consider putting that on your list when you get more comfortable.
I also learned how to "B-52 takeoff and land" at the higher density altitudes.
Of course, some of that I learned the hard way!
Need to fly, but raining all my off-days lately.
Practice your shortfield stuff too. Maybe you could join us for the Nauga Field
Fly-Around the first weekend in December. Love for you to join us.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/LS35
Above all, please be careful.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266623#266623
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Full Enclosure |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
Yes on the getting in
Your passenger will be warmer
you would build the windows
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266624#266624
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
I have taken 185 pound passenger in my Firestar II
Rear seat is full much of the time.
Often on little cross counrties.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266625#266625
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firestars & gusts????? |
Hi John,
Nauga Field in early Dec. sounds like it MIGHT be doable. If I can get
in enough X country
practice, and my skill level improves enough so I can be confortable
on that long a X countrty.
Also I've got to talk with John H about how to camp. Haven't done that
in about 30 years.
Thanks for your advice, I think you hit the nail pretty much on the
head.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar2
Brownsville, TX.
On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:41 AM, John Bickham wrote:
> >
>
> Hey Mr. Frank,
>
> Not an expert, just passing on my experiences.
>
> I too had done some crosswind and higher wind condition practice
> prior to my trip to MV.
>
> I have to build up to that point and stay proficient to be be ahead
> of the plane. Practice, practice, practice is the only way I can
> maintain that skill level. If I take the easy path of light wind
> flying, I have to make myself go out and start again.
>
> I was a faithful three point lander until my trip out west in some
> pretty stiff conditions. I got converted to three point landings
> quickly. Found it easier it wing low and wheel land in the
> conditions you describe. I found that you can stick it on the
> runway with a little more speed and rudder authority.
>
> One additonal thing to consider that I neglected in my practice for
> the long XC's. That would be tailwind landings. As you know, MV
> (UT25) is one way in and one way out. It really got my attention
> after a long day of flying from Vernon, TX to MV and arrive with
> the wind blowing in the wrong direction. When I flared, I thought I
> was going 90 mph. Weird feeling and unusual visual cues. Consider
> putting that on your list when you get more comfortable.
>
> I also learned how to "B-52 takeoff and land" at the higher density
> altitudes. Of course, some of that I learned the hard way!
>
> Need to fly, but raining all my off-days lately.
>
> Practice your shortfield stuff too. Maybe you could join us for the
> Nauga Field Fly-Around the first weekend in December. Love for you
> to join us.
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/LS35
>
> Above all, please be careful.
>
> --------
> Thanks too much,
>
> John Bickham
> Mark III-C w/ 912UL
> St. Francisville, LA
>
> I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct
> difference that I have the greatest respect for.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266623#266623
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Wire wrap cable terminations |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Some of you expressed interest in using the wire wrap and solder method of
making cable terminations following the publication of the article in the
September issue of "Sport Aviation". In this month's Member's Forum two
letters appear that take issue with both the method and materials used by
the article's author. If any of you were serious about using this method,
please take time to read these two letters.
Rick Girard
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Firestars & gusts????? |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Mr. Frank,
First....
> I was a faithful three point lander until my trip out west in some pretty stiff
conditions. I got converted to three point landings quickly.
Should have read, "I got converted to wheel landings quickly."
Second...
Don't stress too much about the camping gear except for the intermittent stops.
If you fly the Firestar that far, we'll take care of anything you might need
once you are here. You kinda get adopted once you are here. Jimmy Y may be
able to help out in between [Question] .
Important to be comfortable with short fields over obstacles (trees). Nauga is
Kolb friendly but it will get your attention if you are used to landing on long
runways with clear approaches.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266697#266697
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Full Enclosure |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Eric,
The full enclosure is made of fabric and clear vinyl I think.Got mine from Kolb
.It velcro's on.With a little foam gasket between the wing and upper windshield
support it closes up pretty good.Bt don't try to go fast,it pressures up on
the inside and I had it blow loose on the right side and tail back far enough
that the prop put a slice in the vinyl window before I could yank it back into
the rear seat.
?G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 11:03 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Full Enclosure
I am wondering how you go about putting a full enclosure on a firestar II and what
benefits does it have, as well as what downsides are there. If you have a
jump seat can you still get into it with a full enclosure. Is there a place to
buy the enclosures?
Thanks everyone. I hope to be a proud Kolb owner very soon (pending answers to
these questions)
Eric M.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Full Enclosure |
Hi Eric,
Here some pictures of the full enclosure installed on my FireStar II. The
rear clear cover is not installed completely so you can see it's not
stretched. It protects you from the elements and keeps you warmer in the winter.
The down side is your adding more weight, need to undo the Velcro on of
the rear cover to pull start the engine and slows you down a little. Yes you
can still shoe horn a grown up in the jump seat. I ordered my enclosure
kit from Kolb. I fly with the full enclosure in the winter and remove the
rear cover in the summer.
Hope this helps,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
_Will's FireStar_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1089406573728651489&ei=0Y_KSu3eApbWrQKvlu2KDg&q=firestar+site:google.com&hl=en&emb=1#)
_Kolb FireStar II_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1480724639524498797&hl=en)
In a message dated 10/5/2009 9:06:30 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
marenyi(at)gmail.com writes:
I am wondering how you go about putting a full enclosure on a firestar II
and what benefits does it have, as well as what downsides are there. If you
have a jump seat can you still get into it with a full enclosure. Is there
a place to buy the enclosures?
Thanks everyone. I hope to be a proud Kolb owner very soon (pending
answers to these questions)
Eric M.
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Floats on Firestar II |
I just saw this on YouTube and was pretty amazed, its retractable gear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPrAbIK-Xsg
There is also some other videos of the Amphib Float here:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kolb+seaplane&search_type=&aq=f
Does anyone have any info on either of them. I would love to do this one
day! I see it is a Full Lotus FL1000 float, but I have never seen the
retractable gear and dont know where to find that at all.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Eric
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Full Enclosure |
Thanks Will, that does help a lot!
Do you know if there is a cabin heater made for the enclosure? I would
imagine it wouldnt be too hard to fashion one. I was talking to another guy
today who said the enclosure acts almost like a greenhouse and keeps you
pretty warm in the winter, but I never asked him about the heater.
Thanks
Eric
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM, wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> Here some pictures of the full enclosure installed on my FireStar II. The
> rear clear cover is not installed completely so you can see it's not
> stretched. It protects you from the elements and keeps you warmer in the
> winter. The down side is your adding more weight, need to undo the Velcro on
> of the rear cover to pull start the engine and slows you down a little. Yes
> you can still shoe horn a grown up in the jump seat. I ordered my enclosure
> kit from Kolb. I fly with the full enclosure in the winter and remove the
> rear cover in the summer.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Full Enclosure |
Eric,
I bought my full enclosure from Kolb, and it included the fabric and
clear vinyl as well as a full sheet of Lexan, a hoop for the top of the
enclosure, two side rods for the back of the Lexan and an aluminum rod
for the center of the windshield.
While I used it for years and even incorporated a heater for really
cold weather. I did not feel that it was as suitable as it could have
been, and my enclosure has morphed to this design. I also found that the
vinyl part that fully enclosed the rear of the cockpit cut my speed down
by 5 to 7 MPH. I also found that there was not much noticeable
difference in temp. as far comfort was concerned. I no longer use the
vinyl part, a silk scarf and a rag wool hat over my headset, a Chili
Vest with a pair of gloves and I am good down to 24 degrees so far. Not
real interested in experimenting further in that direction.
Larry C, Oregon Firestar II
----- Original Message -----
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Full Enclosure
Eric,
The full enclosure is made of fabric and clear vinyl I think.Got mine
from Kolb .It velcro's on.With a little foam gasket between the wing and
upper windshield support it closes up pretty good.Bt don't try to go
fast,it pressures up on the inside and I had it blow loose on the right
side and tail back far enough that the prop put a slice in the vinyl
window before I could yank it back into the rear seat.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 11:03 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Full Enclosure
I am wondering how you go about putting a full enclosure on a firestar
II and what benefits does it have, as well as what downsides are there.
If you have a jump seat can you still get into it with a full enclosure.
Is there a place to buy the enclosures?
Thanks everyone. I hope to be a proud Kolb owner very soon (pending
answers to these questions)
Eric M.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
10/05/09 18:23:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Full Enclosure |
Eric,
I never needed a heater but I know of one who installed one. Talk to John
H about the Chilly vest or look it up in the archives.
Hope this helps
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
In a message dated 10/5/2009 6:50:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
marenyi(at)gmail.com writes:
Thanks Will, that does help a lot!
Do you know if there is a cabin heater made for the enclosure? I would
imagine it wouldnt be too hard to fashion one. I was talking to another guy
today who said the enclosure acts almost like a greenhouse and keeps you
pretty warm in the winter, but I never asked him about the heater.
Thanks
Eric
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:41 PM, <_WillUribe(at)aol.com_
(mailto:WillUribe(at)aol.com) > wrote:
Hi Eric,
Here some pictures of the full enclosure installed on my FireStar II. The
rear clear cover is not installed completely so you can see it's not
stretched. It protects you from the elements and keeps you warmer in the winter.
The down side is your adding more weight, need to undo the Velcro on of
the rear cover to pull start the engine and slows you down a little. Yes you
can still shoe horn a grown up in the jump seat. I ordered my enclosure
kit from Kolb. I fly with the full enclosure in the winter and remove the
rear cover in the summer.
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Full Enclosure |
Larry, you said "I did not feel that it was as suitable as it could have
been, and my enclosure has morphed to this design" but I dont follow you as
to what design you have morphed to? did you send a picture that I didn't
get?
Eric
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> Eric,
> I bought my full enclosure from Kolb, and it included the fabric and
> clear vinyl as well as a full sheet of Lexan, a hoop for the top of the
> enclosure, two side rods for the back of the Lexan and an aluminum rod for
> the center of the windshield.
>
> While I used it for years and even incorporated a heater for really cold
> weather. I did not feel that it was as suitable as it could have been, and
> my enclosure has morphed to this design. I also found that the vinyl part
> that fully enclosed the rear of the cockpit cut my speed down by 5 to 7 MPH.
> I also found that there was not much noticeable difference in temp. as far
> comfort was concerned. I no longer use the vinyl part, a silk scarf and a
> rag wool hat over my headset, a Chili Vest with a pair of gloves and I am
> good down to 24 degrees so far. Not real interested in experimenting further
> in that direction.
> Larry C, Oregon Firestar II
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* zeprep251(at)aol.com
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2009 5:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Full Enclosure
>
> Eric,
> The full enclosure is made of fabric and clear vinyl I think.Got mine from
> Kolb .It velcro's on.With a little foam gasket between the wing and upper
> windshield support it closes up pretty good.Bt don't try to go fast,it
> pressures up on the inside and I had it blow loose on the right side and
> tail back far enough that the prop put a slice in the vinyl window before I
> could yank it back into the rear seat.
> G.Aman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 11:03 am
> Subject: Kolb-List: Full Enclosure
>
> I am wondering how you go about putting a full enclosure on a firestar II
> and what benefits does it have, as well as what downsides are there. If you
> have a jump seat can you still get into it with a full enclosure. Is there a
> place to buy the enclosures?
>
> Thanks everyone. I hope to be a proud Kolb owner very soon (pending answers
> to these questions)
>
> Eric M.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
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| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Full Enclosure |
Larry, Nevermind, it took my email a while to show them, I see what you
meant now!
Thanks!! Eric
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Eric Marenyi wrote:
> Larry, you said "I did not feel that it was as suitable as it could have
> been, and my enclosure has morphed to this design" but I dont follow you as
> to what design you have morphed to? did you send a picture that I didn't
> get?
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>> I bought my full enclosure from Kolb, and it included the fabric and
>> clear vinyl as well as a full sheet of Lexan, a hoop for the top of the
>> enclosure, two side rods for the back of the Lexan and an aluminum rod for
>> the center of the windshield.
>>
>> While I used it for years and even incorporated a heater for really
>> cold weather. I did not feel that it was as suitable as it could have been,
>> and my enclosure has morphed to this design. I also found that the vinyl
>> part that fully enclosed the rear of the cockpit cut my speed down by 5 to 7
>> MPH. I also found that there was not much noticeable difference in temp. as
>> far comfort was concerned. I no longer use the vinyl part, a silk scarf and
>> a rag wool hat over my headset, a Chili Vest with a pair of gloves and I am
>> good down to 24 degrees so far. Not real interested in experimenting further
>> in that direction.
>> Larry C, Oregon Firestar II
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* zeprep251(at)aol.com
>> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2009 5:37 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Full Enclosure
>>
>> Eric,
>> The full enclosure is made of fabric and clear vinyl I think.Got mine from
>> Kolb .It velcro's on.With a little foam gasket between the wing and upper
>> windshield support it closes up pretty good.Bt don't try to go fast,it
>> pressures up on the inside and I had it blow loose on the right side and
>> tail back far enough that the prop put a slice in the vinyl window before I
>> could yank it back into the rear seat.
>> G.Aman
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com>
>> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 11:03 am
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Full Enclosure
>>
>> I am wondering how you go about putting a full enclosure on a firestar II
>> and what benefits does it have, as well as what downsides are there. If you
>> have a jump seat can you still get into it with a full enclosure. Is there a
>> place to buy the enclosures?
>>
>> Thanks everyone. I hope to be a proud Kolb owner very soon (pending
>> answers to these questions)
>>
>> Eric M.
>>
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| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | John H - Info about Chilly Vest |
As the subject implies I was looking for some info about the Chilly Vest. I
tried to search in the archives but I didnt have any luck except for another
message asking about it. What is it? What does it do? Where can I get it?
and how much is it?
Thanks,
Eric
P.S. You guys on this list are great!
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Firestars & gusts????? |
Hi Frank,
I have landed my FireStar in some bad winds. One time Dave Rains and I
were landing in Apple Valley, when on the base leg, the automated wind shear
alert came on over the radio. While taxing very slow the tail on my
FireStar came up because of the gusting winds. When we got to parking we needed
the assistance of the ground crew to hold the FireStars so we can get off the
tie them down. When we walked into the FBO the heavy iron drivers couldn't
believe we were flying in that wind everybody else was grounded.
This was one time my Kolb far exceeded my skill or someone with greater
powers was looking over us.
Another time after I landed in very gusty winds I was opening the hanger
doors when the wind started pushing the FireStar back. I almost lost it had
I it not been for someone who came over and helped me put it in the
hanger. Check out the wind sock on this picture after we had just landed.
Regard,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
In a message dated 10/4/2009 1:01:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
frank.goodnight(at)att.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "frank.goodnight"
Decided to pratice takeoffs and landings today , in gusty conditions.
Firestar 2 @ 725lbs
Runway heading 13
wind 170 @ 14k gusting 20k, gust were rather closely spaced.
DA 2400 ft.
My goal was to touch down within 50 yards of my selected touch down
point and feel
safe and in compleat control. I couldn't do it. I was really pushing
it to stay within 100 yards.
I only did 6 landings because I felt like I was at or maybe exceading
my skill limits.
As I am planing 2 rather long X countrys this spring, one to Utah &
one to Sun&Fun, I'm
sure I'll run into rough weather and I need to pratice for it.
MY questions to anyone who flys a firestar are , what do you think is
a reasonable limit for
the firestar regarding gusty conditions and crosswind components?
I realize that each pilot has a different skill level, I,m trying to
raise mine up to what the airplane can do, but I don't want to push
hard enough to get in trouble. any thoughts will be appreciated
and helpful.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar2 HKS 55161
Brownsville , TX
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John H - Info about Chilly Vest |
http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
As the subject implies I was looking for some info about the Chilly
Vest.
Thanks,
Eric
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| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Chilly vest VS Gerbing`s |
Eric, I own a chilly vest which I like. I also own Gerbing`s 12 volt heated
clothing which I use while riding my Honda Valkyrie Interstate Motorcycle.
The Gerbing`s keeps me warmer then the Chilly vest. Not cheap but worth the
money. Check the Gerbing`s web site for more info. Lanny FSII
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| Subject: | Re: Firestars & gusts????? |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
> Don't stress too much about the camping gear except for the intermittent stops.
If you fly the Firestar that far, we'll take care of anything you might need
once you are here. You kinda get adopted once you are here. Jimmy Y may be able
to help out in between
Frank,
Yes, I plan to fly to Nauga Field in December, and you're most definitely welcome
to RON at our place here in Angelton, Bailes Field (7R9). I'm planning on
going to Nauga, and we could fly together. I am close to the halfway point for
you so it would work out well, and would be a lot of fun. We'll stay in touch.
Jimmy Y[/quote]
--------
Jimmy Young
Houston, TX
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John H - Info about Chilly Vest |
Russ/Gang:
How much does Campmor want for their Chilli Vest?
I buy most of my camping gear from them. Usually, they are a little
cheaper than others.
john h
mkIII
From: russ kinne
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: John H - Info about Chilly Vest
look in the Campmor catalog
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| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John H - Info about Chilly Vest |
I must be missing some brain cells but I couldnt find it on their website
Eric
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:50 AM, John Hauck wrote:
> Russ/Gang:
>
> How much does Campmor want for their Chilli Vest?
>
> I buy most of my camping gear from them. Usually, they are a little
> cheaper than others.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> *From:* russ kinne
> * *
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: John H - Info about Chilly Vest
>
> look in the Campmor catalog
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Full Enclosure |
Anyone got a photo of the enclosure to see what it looks like installed.
jerb
At 04:37 PM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
>Eric,
>The full enclosure is made of fabric and clear vinyl I think.Got
>mine from Kolb .It velcro's on.With a little foam gasket between the
>wing and upper windshield support it closes up pretty good.Bt don't
>try to go fast,it pressures up on the inside and I had it blow loose
>on the right side and tail back far enough that the prop put a slice
>in the vinyl window before I could yank it back into the rear seat.
> G.Aman
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com>
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 11:03 am
>Subject: Kolb-List: Full Enclosure
>
>I am wondering how you go about putting a full enclosure on a
>firestar II and what benefits does it have, as well as what
>downsides are there. If you have a jump seat can you still get into
>it with a full enclosure. Is there a place to buy the enclosures?
>
>Thanks everyone. I hope to be a proud Kolb owner very soon (pending
>answers to these questions)
>
>Eric M.
>
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Full Enclosure - disregard request for photos |
Disregard my request for photos - I didn't get far enough is the list
of posts. Thanks.
jerb
At 08:02 AM 10/6/2009, you wrote:
>Anyone got a photo of the enclosure to see what it looks like installed.
>jerb
>
>At 04:37 PM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
>>Eric,
>>The full enclosure is made of fabric and clear vinyl I think.Got
>>mine from Kolb .It velcro's on.With a little foam gasket between
>>the wing and upper windshield support it closes up pretty good.Bt
>>don't try to go fast,it pressures up on the inside and I had it
>>blow loose on the right side and tail back far enough that the prop
>>put a slice in the vinyl window before I could yank it back into the rear seat.
>> G.Aman
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com>
>>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>>Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 11:03 am
>>Subject: Kolb-List: Full Enclosure
>>
>>I am wondering how you go about putting a full enclosure on a
>>firestar II and what benefits does it have, as well as what
>>downsides are there. If you have a jump seat can you still get into
>>it with a full enclosure. Is there a place to buy the enclosures?
>>
>>Thanks everyone. I hope to be a proud Kolb owner very soon (pending
>>answers to these questions)
>>
>>Eric M.
>>
>>
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
would it be possible to put an extension on the flap handle to
give it a more advantageous reach?
-and BTW, how many xtras had it there?>>
Robert,
the on ly advantage would be to make it long enough to operate right handed
and that would be too unweildy to live with.
How Many?. Kolbs had a chequered career here. The old design was bought and
put through the `approval system`, which is quite expensive and time
consuming by a company which later decided to concentrate on weightshift
designs. There was a gap and then along came the present distributor who
bought the dealership with all the approval work already done. He imported a
small number of Xtras which are all I believe 4 strokes while the previous
companies sales were powered by 582`s. I assume that the Xtras all have the
flap handle like mine, the previous model does not. I doubt if there are 20
Kolbs here altogether although the Firestar has been offered here as we have
adopted a new very light weight category and there are I believe no other
fixed wing designs here which comply.
Don`t really understand Denis`s comment about the toe brakes. I have no
knowledge of a redesign being asked for here and unless that was so the
dealer would merely have supplied the kits as delivered from the US.
Certainly I had to wait until the kit was unloaded from the boat before I
could collect mine and nothing was changed. I dont think I still have the
plans around to check.
Pat
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John H - Info about Chilly Vest |
Eric/Gang:
I checked the url I posted. It takes me to the web page that has the
chilli vest at Sargent's Motorcycle Accessories.
No brain cells necessary. Click on the url:
http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
john h
mkIII
Moab, Utah
I must be missing some brain cells but I couldnt find it on their
website
Eric
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| From: | neilsenrm(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Pat/all
I have never seen that variation of flap handle. My flap handle is head hig
h and works well. Is that low handle a British modification?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:07:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Heel brakes or ???
=C2-would it be possible to put an extension on the flap handle to
give it a more advantageous reach?
-and BTW, how many xtras had it there?>>
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John H - Info about Chilly Vest |
FWIW you have to click on the picture of the man to see the price
do not archive
On Oct 6, 2009, at 12:18 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> Eric/Gang:
>
> I checked the url I posted. It takes me to the web page that has
> the chilli vest at Sargent's Motorcycle Accessories.
>
> No brain cells necessary. Click on the url:
>
> http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Moab, Utah
>
>
> I must be missing some brain cells but I couldnt find it on their
> website
>
> Eric
>
>
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Pat,
I am too well trained by my wife ... I automatically assume I am wrong. Old
Kolb did the M3 - what some now call the classic (not the extra). New Kolb
did the M3Xtra and I am not familiar with all the changes that they may have
made. The original M3 was only supplied with heel brakes. We experimented
just one time with toe brakes and then promptly removed them. So we never
produced toe brakes for anything we sold.
Perhaps I was too quick to accept blame for the flap lever. I don't know
what changes may have been made with the Xtra - perhaps it was changed from
what Old Kolb had done.
I hope this clears it up. If I am mistaken in anything I said - please just
attribute it to my advancing senility :-)
Dennis
Don`t really understand Denis`s comment about the toe brakes. I have no
knowledge of a redesign being asked for here and unless that was so the
dealer would merely have supplied the kits as delivered from the US.
Certainly I had to wait until the kit was unloaded from the boat before I
could collect mine and nothing was changed. I dont think I still have the
plans around to check.
Pat
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| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailering and Kolb Owners in Eastern NC |
Is there anyone on this list that has a trailer for sale or rent? Preferably
between Jacksonville, NC (Eastern Shore) and AIken, South Carolina (Southern
Middle of South Carolina)? I am supposed to go pick up my new Kolb this
weekend and don't have anything but a 5x8 Trailer. I intend to modify mine
eventually but this weekend might be too soon to get it done.
Also is there any other Kolb Flyers around Jacksonville, NC? It would be
great to fly with some other Kolbs in the coming months.
Thank You!
Eric
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailering and Kolb Owners in Eastern NC |
couldn't resist...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GOkc6aEfkM
BB
On 6, Oct 2009, at 7:25 PM, Eric Marenyi wrote:
> Is there anyone on this list that has a trailer for sale or rent?
> Preferably between Jacksonville, NC (Eastern Shore) and AIken,
> South Carolina (Southern Middle of South Carolina)? I am supposed
> to go pick up my new Kolb this weekend and don't have anything but
> a 5x8 Trailer. I intend to modify mine eventually but this weekend
> might be too soon to get it done.
>
> Also is there any other Kolb Flyers around Jacksonville, NC? It
> would be great to fly with some other Kolbs in the coming months.
>
> Thank You!
> Eric
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering and Kolb Owners in Eastern NC |
| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
that sound like it would be a good short X- country to me
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 7:25 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Trailering and Kolb Owners in Eastern NC
Is there anyone on this list that has a trailer for sale or rent? Preferably between
Jacksonville, NC (Eastern Shore) and AIken, South Carolina (Southern Middle
of South Carolina)? I am supposed to go pick up my new Kolb this weekend and
don't have anything but a 5x8 Trailer. I intend to modify mine eventually but
this weekend might be too soon to get it done.
Also is there any other Kolb Flyers around Jacksonville, NC? It would be great
to fly with some other Kolbs in the coming months.
Thank You!
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering and Kolb Owners in Eastern NC |
| From: | "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net> |
E-mail me Eric. I might be able to help.
ktony(at)windstream.net
Keath T
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| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailering and Kolb Owners in Eastern NC |
Thanks, that was extremely helpful...in making me smile..
Eric
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Ellery Batchelder Jr wrote:
> that sound like it would be a good short X- country to me
>
> Ellery in Maine
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 7:25 pm
> Subject: Kolb-List: Trailering and Kolb Owners in Eastern NC
>
> Is there anyone on this list that has a trailer for sale or rent?
> Preferably between Jacksonville, NC (Eastern Shore) and AIken, South
> Carolina (Southern Middle of South Carolina)? I am supposed to go pick up my
> new Kolb this weekend and don't have anything but a 5x8 Trailer. I intend to
> modify mine eventually but this weekend might be too soon to get it done.
>
> Also is there any other Kolb Flyers around Jacksonville, NC? It would be
> great to fly with some other Kolbs in the coming months.
>
> Thank You!
> Eric
>
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| Subject: | Re: Not Kolb related - so delete |
| From: | "Kip" <klaurie(at)mindspring.com> |
The workmanship looks great. I'd say Barnstormers if you want the cash or a museum
if you want a writeoff and less liability...
Kip
--------
2000 Firestar II
R503 DCDI
VLS 750
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| Subject: | Connectiut flying |
| From: | "Dana" <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Nothing special, but a couple of pix of my flying buddy Stan in his new (to him)
Firestar over Connecticut this evening... a beautiful night for flying, followed
by steaks and corn on the grill behind the hangar.
-Dana
More than anything else the sensation is one of perfect peace mingled with an excitement
that strains every nerve to the utmost, if you can conceive of such
a combination. - Wilbur Wright
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/stans_firestar_01901_113.jpg
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| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | SkyCharts for iPhone |
I just downloaded an awesome application for the iPhone (for any of you that
may have them) called SkyCharts. It is still early in development but
awesome nonetheless. It cost 10 bucks but well worth it already. I put a
picture of it here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/marenyi/3988422077/
And there is a cool video on YouTube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw5OSFa93-Q
I hope you like it!
Eric
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Old Kolb did the M3 - what some now call the classic (not the extra). New
Kolb
did the M3Xtra >>
Hi Dennis,
That sounds sense. It looks as though the new boys on the block wanted
something different from the old design and reincorporated the toe brakes
which had previously been rejected and threw in the flap handle for good
measure.
Thanks for clearing it up
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel brakes or ??? |
Is that low handle a British modification? >>
Short answer Rick "No".
Built as per plans from the kit which I collected more or less straight
from the boat.
Pat
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Monument Valley Flyin Oct 2009 |
Hi Gang:
Anybody on the Kolb List going to the flyin at Monument Valley, 9-11 Oct
2009?
I am still in Moab, UT, about 150 miles north of MV. Thinking about driving
down that way to see what is happening. Was wondering if there will be
anything flying besides PPG's and powered parachutes?
I pulled up their web site, but did not recognize any of the attendees on
their list.
john h
mkIII
Moab, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Not Kolb related - so delete |
| From: | "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
possums wrote: << (SE5A) - thing in the barn. how would you go about
selling it. I don't want any liability !! >>
Possums -
This topic has been discussed before. (Remember the guy who
intentionally torched his Kolb to avoid post-ownership liability?) That
was totally unnecessary.
Because our homebuilt aircraft are not bound by the same certification
rules as the Cessnas and Pipers, we (the builders) are not held
accountable for ANYTHING that happens after we sell them. Here's why:
The owner of any Experimental/Amateur-Built aircraft must state, in the
logbook, that "He (she) finds this aircraft to be airworthy, and in a
safe condition to fly." This places the airworthiness responsibility
squarely with the buyer, and eliminates all liability from the seller.
As suggested earlier when this thread was discussed, if you wish to add
additional safeguards for yourself, you can always add a stipulation in
your bill of sale that specifically states that the aircraft is being
sold as "parts," and is not an airworthy airplane. When your buyer
finishes the airplane, it is HE who must make the legal statement in his
logbook that the airplane is safe and ready to fly. So if he crashes,
the legal documentation (his logbook) points only to himself.
Hope this helps ...
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, with an orphaned Powerfin in
Sandia Park, NM
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Liability for selling your aircraft (was: Not Kolb related |
- so delete)
Dennis -
You wrote: "Because our homebuilt aircraft are not bound by the same certif
ication rules as the Cessnas and Pipers, we (the builders) are not held acc
ountable for ANYTHING that happens after we sell them."
I'm not sure if your information is accurate; and even if it is accurate,
=C2-it doesn't address the concern about being sued. =C2-ANYONE can cho
ose to sue you - regardless of how you word a stipulation, and regardless o
f what they write in their log book (if they bother to do so.) =C2-A clos
e friend of mine WAS sued by the estate of the person to whom he sold his K
olb (that person crashed and killed himself.) Although David wasn't found t
o be at fault, it cost him over $10,000 to defend himself.
I've had the same concern, since I'm thinking about selling my Drifter. =C2
-Here is a statement which a friend gave me and which I'll probably use.
It is designed to make a buyer or their estate think twice about suing you
- but even if this is signed and notarized ( and some sellers may also want
to get the buyer's spouse to sign!) it STILL does not prevent a lawsuit. P
eople (especially family of the deceased) don't always act rationally. You
may win the lawsuit with the help of this document, but it may not prevent
you from the expense of defending yourself.=C2-
I want to be very clear that I am NOT a lawyer and am not giving legal advi
ce. I am just passing on what a friend used. If you have concerns, you shou
ld check with an attorney who specializes in aircraft.
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
=0A
=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
=0A Helen Keller
=0A
=0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtl
and.af.mil> wrote:
From: Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Not Kolb related - so delete
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 9:12 AM
=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AClassification: UNCL
ASSIFIED =0A=0A
=0A=0Apossums wrote: <<=C2- (SE5A) - thing in the barn.=C2-=0Ahow would
you go about =0A=0Aselling it. I don't want any liability !! >> =0A=0A =C2
- =0A=0APossums =93 =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AThis topic has been discuss
ed before. =C2-(Remember the=0Aguy who intentionally torched his Kolb to
avoid post-ownership liability?)=C2-=0AThat was totally unnecessary. =0A
=0A =C2- =0A=0ABecause our homebuilt aircraft are not bound by the same
=0Acertification rules as the Cessnas and Pipers, we (the builders) are not
held=0Aaccountable for ANYTHING that happens after we sell them.=C2- Her
e=99s=0Awhy: The owner of any Experimental/Amateur-Built aircraft mus
t state, in the=0Alogbook, that =9CHe (she) finds this aircraft to be
airworthy, and in a safe=0Acondition to fly.=9D=C2- This places th
e airworthiness responsibility=0Asquarely with the buyer, and eliminates al
l liability from the seller. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AAs suggested earlier when
this thread was discussed, if=0Ayou wish to add additional safeguards for y
ourself, you can always add a=0Astipulation in your bill of sale that speci
fically states that the aircraft is=0Abeing sold as =9Cparts,
=9D and is not an airworthy airplane.=C2- When=0Ayour buyer finishes the
airplane, it is HE who must make the legal statement in=0Ahis logbook that
the airplane is safe and ready to fly.=C2- So if he crashes,=0Athe legal
documentation (his logbook) points only to himself. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AHop
e this helps =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ADennis Kirby =0A=0AMark-III, 912
ul, with an orphaned Powerfin in =0A=0ASandia Park, NM =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Liability for selling your aircraft (was: Not Kolb related |
- so delete)
It would be interesting to have some (factual) history of suits
against experimentals.
The family of the deceased CAN sue no matter what documents have been
signed. It will be their
burden to prove liability. If the builder sold the aircraft and
promptly died, thereby transferring assets to the inheritors,
and THEN the next guy crashed, it would present a challenge to the $$
$ seekers because there would be no
manufacturer existent to pursue.
A personal bankruptcy would also squelch the greedy.
BB
On 7, Oct 2009, at 2:29 PM, TheWanderingWench wrote:
> Dennis -
>
> You wrote: "Because our homebuilt aircraft are not bound by the
> same certification rules as the Cessnas and Pipers, we (the
> builders) are not held accountable for ANYTHING that happens after
> we sell them."
>
> I'm not sure if your information is accurate; and even if it is
> accurate, it doesn't address the concern about being sued. ANYONE
> can choose to sue you - regardless of how you word a stipulation,
> and regardless of what they write in their log book (if they bother
> to do so.) A close friend of mine WAS sued by the estate of the
> person to whom he sold his Kolb (that person crashed and killed
> himself.) Although David wasn't found to be at fault, it cost him
> over $10,000 to defend himself.
>
> I've had the same concern, since I'm thinking about selling my
> Drifter. Here is a statement which a friend gave me and which I'll
> probably use. It is designed to make a buyer or their estate think
> twice about suing you - but even if this is signed and notarized
> ( and some sellers may also want to get the buyer's spouse to
> sign!) it STILL does not prevent a lawsuit. People (especially
> family of the deceased) don't always act rationally. You may win
> the lawsuit with the help of this document, but it may not prevent
> you from the expense of defending yourself.
>
> I want to be very clear that I am NOT a lawyer and am not giving
> legal advice. I am just passing on what a friend used. If you have
> concerns, you should check with an attorney who specializes in
> aircraft.
>
> Arty Trost
> Sandy, Oregon
>
>
> www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
>
> "Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
> Helen Keller
>
> "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
>
> --- On Wed, 10/7/09, Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL
> wrote:
>
> From: Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Not Kolb related - so delete
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
>
> possums wrote: << (SE5A) - thing in the barn. how would you go about
>
> selling it. I don't want any liability !! >>
>
> Possums '
>
> This topic has been discussed before. (Remember the guy who
> intentionally torched his Kolb to avoid post-ownership liability?)
> That was totally unnecessary.
>
> Because our homebuilt aircraft are not bound by the same
> certification rules as the Cessnas and Pipers, we (the builders)
> are not held accountable for ANYTHING that happens after we sell
> them. Here=92s why: The owner of any Experimental/Amateur-Built
> aircraft must state, in the logbook, that =93He (she) finds this
> aircraft to be airworthy, and in a safe condition to fly.=94 This
> places the airworthiness responsibility squarely with the buyer,
> and eliminates all liability from the seller.
>
> As suggested earlier when this thread was discussed, if you wish to
> add additional safeguards for yourself, you can always add a
> stipulation in your bill of sale that specifically states that the
> aircraft is being sold as =93parts,=94 and is not an airworthy
> airplane. When your buyer finishes the airplane, it is HE who must
> make the legal statement in his logbook that the airplane is safe
> and ready to fly. So if he crashes, the legal documentation (his
> logbook) points only to himself.
>
> Hope this helps =85
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-III, 912ul, with an orphaned Powerfin in
> Sandia Park, NM
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-
> Listhttp======================
=
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com> |
Where are most people getting their wheel pants from? Please include picture if
you have one.
--------
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266995#266995
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
This is the brand of wheel pants I used. The guy that sells them is name
d John. I believe the quality is fantastic.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ultralight-Aircraft-Wheel-pants-Trike-Rotax-
Go-Green_W0QQitemZ130335598277QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Aviation_Parts_Gear
?hash=item1e589b66c5
I also included a photo of my wheel pants installed .
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
> Subject: Kolb-List: Wheel Pants
> From: cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com
> Date: Wed=2C 7 Oct 2009 13:31:54 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
om>
>
> Where are most people getting their wheel pants from? Please include pict
ure if you have one.
>
> --------
> Kolb MKIII C
> Rotax 582
> C Gearbox 3.00:1
> WD 66"=3B 3 Blade Prop
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=266995#266995
>
>
>
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| From: | john taylor <jtayloraaf(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Floats on kolbs & others. |
hi daniel, tnx for sharing the info on ur experience with floats. i'm comin
g to u off list cause i'm not a real kolber (trying to cover my home built
avid flyer here in south la where i hope to do some float ops if i ever get
the thing finished) . so i try to gather all the actual experience info fr
om u guys who have actually used the floats.- i've been following the kit
built planes since i retired from af in early 90s. loved the kolbs (folding
wing a key feature for me) since i saw them flying all the time at sun n f
un & met homer & hauch et al. great aircraft, but decided on the avid for n
ostalgia - started a club at baylor with t craft & have been partial to the
image ever since. =0A-=0Aanyway, i've also followed the lotus floats. go
tten mixed reviews on them.- most negative related to their being "draggy
" to use term of some very experienced float flyers. then after offering an
amphib gear early on (90s) full lotus withdrew the amphib gear for the dua
l floats, but continued over the yrs (if i've gotten my history right) offe
ring a gear for the mono float. i 've asked the co rep, but never got direc
t answer, as to why. so users have suggested that it was difficult to desig
n a strong attachment for the dual float?? i've seen at sun n fun people of
fering an amphib gear for the lotus, electric & mechanical, but never heard
on the kolb or avid lists of anyone using these. so i have a question or 2
for u if u have the time to answer.- feel free to share ur answers on th
e list if u think others would be interested. =0A1) how heavy a plan can th
e mono float handle in ur experience.- i know there are numbers on the lo
tus web site. wondering what u've found.=0A2) what's it like to fly the mon
o float. have u had experience with the standard dual floats. =0A3) seems l
ike that mono would solve the drag problem?? =0A4) any other observations o
r recommendations about choice of floats for a plane of about 500 lbs . =0A
tnx again for sharing with us.- john bowman. prairieville, la. =0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: daniel myers <h20maule@hotma
il.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, October 6, 2009 10:31:20
AM=0ASubject: RE: Kolb-List: Floats on Firestar II=0A=0AThat is-my plane
. Jim Lee built in-1993 and I refurbished it. It is the-2nd-Kolb amph
ib that I have owned...It is-the ultimate-Kolb Bushplane.-Although I
- have only owned two of these-monofloat kolbs, I have helped build sev
eral..-I have info and pics-for most kolbs on monofloats...firestars, M
kIII's, Extras, etc...I would-be-happy to answer any questions on it.
=0ADaniel-=0A-=0A________________________________=0AFrom: russkinne@mac
.com=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Floats on Firestar II=0ADate: Tue, 6 Oct 200
retractable gear on a mono-Lotus float installation once. I think they sai
d a Jimmy Lee made it? -Someone on the List will know I'm sure. It used b
icycle-chains to raise & lower the wheels, and worked well. The wheels did
contact the float tho. Possibly a hinged gearleg that would let the wheels
swing up, somewhat like the SeaBee? I'm told the Lotus mono can be landed o
n grass, wheels-up, without damage.=0AI was more concerned with the wing-fl
oat attachments. I think they'd damage the wing before too long.-=0AIdeal
ly, your wingtips could rotate down & become wing-floats, as in -the PBY,
but that's a lot of complexity & weight & would have to be aerodynamic too
. Maybe retractable sponsons would be easier.-=0AI think you'll be spendi
ng some time at the drawing-board! --=0Agood luck,=0ARuss K=0Ado not archiv
e=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Oct 5, 2009, at 8:46 PM, Eric Marenyi wrote:=0A=0AI j
ust saw this on YouTube and was pretty amazed, its retractable gear.=0A>=0A
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPrAbIK-Xsg=0A>=0A>There is also some oth
er videos of the Amphib Float here:=0A>=0A>http://www.youtube.com/results?s
earch_query=kolb+seaplane&search_type=&aq=f=0A>=0A>Does anyone have a
ny info on either of them. I would love to do this one day! I see it is a F
ull Lotus FL1000 float, but I have never seen the retractable gear and dont
know where to find that at all.=0A>=0A>Any help is appreciated.=0A>=0A>Tha
nks,=0A>Eric=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb
-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listhref="http://forums.ma
tronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>href="http://www.matronics.co
m/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>=0A>=0A=0A________
________________________=0AHotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Mi
crosoft. Get it now. =0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Liability for selling your aircraft (was: Not Kolb related |
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
No matter what kind of release the buyer of an aircraft signs, the family can still
sue you. The buyer of an airplane may be able to sign many of high rights
away under the law, but he is NOT able to sign the rights of other people away
( His family ). Those are the ones that will sue you if something happens
and the buyer is hurt or killed, even with a rock solid Release of liability.
Bankruptcy laws have changed and made it much more difficult in the last couple
years, don't make the mistake of thinking that you can just declare bankruptcy
and get out of a lawsuit.
There are lots of things to think about, and there will always be a friend that
will pretend to know aviation law when he in fact does not, and tell you that
you will be OK with a release. I got the above information from an aviation
attorney.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Liability for selling your aircraft (was: Not Kolb |
related -
Guess you are saying that a release from Liability document needs the
signature of all adult members of the buyers family.? Herb
At 07:48 PM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
>
>No matter what kind of release the buyer of an aircraft signs, the
>family can still sue you. The buyer of an airplane may be able to
>sign many of high rights away under the law, but he is NOT able to
>sign the rights of other people away ( His family ). Those are the
>ones that will sue you if something happens and the buyer is hurt or
>killed, even with a rock solid Release of liability.
>
>Bankruptcy laws have changed and made it much more difficult in the
>last couple years, don't make the mistake of thinking that you can
>just declare bankruptcy and get out of a lawsuit.
>
>There are lots of things to think about, and there will always be a
>friend that will pretend to know aviation law when he in fact does
>not, and tell you that you will be OK with a release. I got the
>above information from an aviation attorney.
>
>Mike
>
>--------
>"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as
>you could have !!!
>
>Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267026#267026
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>10/06/09 06:50:00
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 for sale |
| From: | "Keithc" <keith(at)intev.ca> |
I have a Rotax 912 (80hp) for sale. It was purchased for my series 4 project but
the project has been sold and the engine is now available. It has 1490 hrs SMOH.
It came out of a certified A/C(Katana).Very well looked after. I don't recall
receiving logs with it. I was not concerned at the time of purchase as the
logs were not needed for a home built. The compressions were 76/80,76/80,74/80,76/80
at time of removal. $5700.00 cdn. I am located in Cambridge Ontario.
Keith 519-240-3064 keith(at)intev.ca[b][/b]
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| Subject: | Re: Liability for selling your aircraft (was: Not Kolb related |
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
[quote="slyck(at)frontiernet.net"]It would be interesting to have some (factual)
history of suits against experimentals.
BB
[quote]
All I have is one bit of info - about ten years ago our EAA chapter president was
giving rides in a home built gyrocopter and had his passenger sign a hold harmless
agreement prior to the flight. A bolt that held the collective rod together
came out - it was closed casket funeral time.
The passengers widow chose not to sue because her husband had signed the hold harmless
agreement, and we heard that she had talked about it with a lawyer.
On the other hand, one widow suing another widow with minimal assets is not usually
profitable... so this anecdote doesn't prove much
As Beauford says - worth what ye paid fer it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (42oldPoops)
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up |
Kolbers,
After several false starts, today I managed to get the engine started.
Found the problem was that the engine manual listed that the ignition would
be active with the black wire grounded. This was not the case.
I tied the tail wheel to the pickup for start up. With the initial
propeller setting, the engine topped out at 5,200 rpm . With free air
cooling, the CHT topped out at 450 degrees F. No reading from the EGT, as I
had mistakenly installed a non functional gauge. Replaced the EGT gauge
with a functional dual unit, and took some pitch out of the propeller.
Started the engine again, and ran it up to 5,300 rpm and leaned out the high
speed jet so that the EGT read 1,100 degrees F. CHT temp held at 450
degrees F. Backed off to adjust the low speed jet, and the engine quit.
Checking things over, I found the new squeeze bulb from NAPA was sucked down
to the collapsed state. Pulled the line out of the tank thinking something
had plugged the entrance to the tube in the tank. This was not the case. I
banged the intake side of the bulb with a screw driver handle and it broke
the seal and reinstalled everything. Started the engine several times, and
I could see that the bulb would start to collapse and the engine would quit.
I gave up for the day.
I will have to install a bypass to be able to use the squeeze bulb as it is
much more flaccid than the original one. Probably will call TNK and get a
new squeeze bulb sent.
Overall, not a bad day. The engine is mounted with the original engine
mounts along with bulk head mounts which were supplied with the engine. The
bulk head mounts are very flexible, and so the engine does dance around a
little more than I expected. Once the low and high speed jets and
mechanical idle screw were adjusted, the engine ran much smoother. There is
much less engine mass to dampen out the firing impulse, but with the engine
running over 2,000 rpm things seem to settle down.
Need to redesign my magneto kill switch, and I am going to change and move
the starter switch to mount on the positive battery terminal. Moving the
start switch will reduce some weight and make it much easier to activate as
it will be closer to the cockpit.
I was worried that the decompression valve would not work well when starting
with the throttle closed. It has not been a problem, and the very small
starter spins the engine over nicely.
A step closer to getting back into the air.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Can we please drop the liability discussion |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
This has been covered to no effect whatsoever at least two times that I know
of on this forum. If there is a lawyer lurking out there and you feel the
need, please step right up and give us an expert, educated opinion. If there
are no takers on this request can we please move on to what this forum is
for.
Thank you
Rick Girard
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| From: | "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net> |
Thanks! The 3view helps a ton. I'd still welcome any pics or drawings that might
make the build easier.
Has anyone heard of someone doing this before?
Keath T
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up |
Jack,
What does the manufacturer recommend for wot RPM'S on the mz 34?
Glad to here you got er goin!
Ed Diebel
In a message dated 10/7/2009 8:49:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net writes:
Started the engine again, and ran it up to 5,300 rpm and leaned out the
high
speed jet so that the EGT read 1,100 degrees F. CHT temp held at 450
degrees F. Backed off to adjust the low speed jet, and the engine quit
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Article with some info/history of Firestar and Homer |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
I was researching some articles on 4130 tube structures and welding when I came
across this article.
This might be interesting to those of us that weren't in the "lead dog" group of
Kolb flyers. Article gives some details into Homer's life and thoughts on design.
I found it interesting. Thought some might enjoy it.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Liability for selling your aircraft (was: Not Kolb |
related -
No matter what kind of release the buyer of an aircraft signs, the
>family can still sue you. The buyer of an airplane may be able to sign
>many of high rights away under the law, but he is NOT able to sign the
>rights of other people away ( His family ). Those are the ones that will
>sue you if something happens and the buyer is hurt or killed, even with a
>rock solid Release of liability.
As a well hated tennis player from your neck of the woods once said " You
guys cannot be serious" or similar.
If this sort of thing was enforced or even happened regularly all second
hand sales would cease. Cars, boats, bikes,go carts, chain saws, freezers,
power drills etc. The entire seconhand market would stop in its tracks. No
garage sales no e-bay no `wanted` adverts in the paper. No one would dare
sell anything.
That obviously has not happened from which I conclude that the risk exists
but in reality it is vanishingly small. Stories of people suing are
generally wildly exaggerated . They also only happen to ` a friend of mine
who knows someone who was sued`. It never happens to you or someone you know
personally.
I know Americans insist that lawyers are kept in the level of comfort to
which they have become accustomed by sueing at the drop of a hat but this is
ridiculous.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up |
Here is the poop sheet on the MZ34.
http://www.compactradialengines.com/mz34.html
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Can we please drop the liability discussion |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="rickofudall"]This has been covered to no effect whatsoever at least two
times that I know of on this forum. If there is a lawyer lurking out there and
you feel the need, please step right up and give us an expert, educated opinion.
If there are no takers on this request can we please move on to what this
forum is for.
Thank you
Rick Girard
> [b]
The liability of selling your Kolb or any other Experimental airplane is a very
good topic and deserves to be talked about, this type of discussion is exactly
what these forums are for.
You are way out of line telling other members here what they can should and should
not discuss. If you don't like a topic, don't read it... No one is forcing
you to be in this thread.
Mike
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have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Liability for selling your aircraft (was: Not Kolb related |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Pat,
You are wrong about risk of being sued from the sale of an experimental airplane.
You use second hand sales as an example, but remember one thing, if its an
AIRPLANE changes everything. Just as we see any aviation accident covered in
the news while hundreds of deaths in cars are ignored every day, jurys get emotional
and aviation is treated much differently in court and are more likely
to award damages than for other things such as a used car.
If you are the builder of the plane, you are now considered the manufacturer and
this even puts you at greater risk for many many years to come.
This information came from an aviation lawyer.... If you think you know more and
can give better legal advice to members of this forum on this subject than
an aviation lawyer, then you must be much more experienced in this field than
I gave you credit for.
Mike
--------
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have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | law suit after selling plane? |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
All this liability and sueing talk has me worried. I will be listing my plane for
sale soon as I dont need 2 aircraft. It is airworthy and I will demo for any
person that wants to see it. That should be prove enough that it is safe IMO
or I wouldnt fly it! But if I sell it and the buyer crashes it and get hurt
or worse killed what is my best defense against getting sued? I am not the builder.
If I am sued how can I protect my assets? File Bankruptcy move all my
assets out of my name to my wifes name?
I dont have a ton of saving but I sure would hate to lose them on legal fees and
paying out on a law suit. I would represent myself due to the cost of a lawyer.
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| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Well,
looks like fall is here,but even the guy in the open cockpit could not resist.Winds
yesterday in the 40-50 mph range but under 20 today so off to breakfast.Took
a few pictures on they way.
G.Aman MK-3
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
The EAA site probably has the best example of a bill of sale...Herb
At 02:27 PM 10/8/2009, you wrote:
>
>All this liability and sueing talk has me
>worried. I will be listing my plane for sale
>soon as I dont need 2 aircraft. It is
>airworthy and I will demo for any person that
>wants to see it. That should be prove enough
>that it is safe IMO or I wouldnt fly it!
>But if I sell it and the buyer crashes it and
>get hurt or worse killed what is my best defense
>against getting sued? I am not the builder. If
>I am sued how can I protect my assets? File
>Bankruptcy move all my assets out of my name to my wifes name?
>
>I dont have a ton of saving but I sure would
>hate to lose them on legal fees and paying out
>on a law suit. I would represent myself due to the cost of a lawyer.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267135#267135
>
>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>- Release Date: 10/08/09 18:33:00
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
At 08:46 PM 10/8/2009, John Hauck wrote:
>There are a bunch of PPG and one Trike. I watched about 15 of them, late
>this evening, stand around holding their wings, flying in place. Finally,
>after an hour or so, two took off, flew north to the end of the airstrip,
>turned around and landed in the tie down area. End of flying for today. ;-(
>
>I expected to see power parachutes flying all over the place, but alas, a
>little wind and they don't fly.
>
>Seems like a lot of work to go no where.
When conditions are right, PPG is a blast! Mid day thermals are to be
avoided, so unless you live on the coast (as I do) you generally fly in the
morning and evening, just like the early ultralights. But you generally
don't really GO anywhere, it's more about buzzing around the treetops down
low, kind of an aerial dirt bike... if the engine quits you can land on a
postage stamp. PPG got me back into flying 20 years after I last flew my
T-Craft. Now I have my Kolb and I love it... but I'm not giving up the
PPG, either.
-Dana
--
Place a half full glass of water before a pessimist, optimist and an
engineer:
The pessimist says the glass is half empty.
The optimist says the glass if half full.
The engineer says the glass is too large.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up |
I don't know about Jack's fuel system, but sounds like the fuel pump is
pulling a lot of vacuum to collapse the bulb.
I had one collapse on my Firestar, but it was because some debris
partially plugged the inlet to the bulb. That was the day I landed on
the Sebring High School foot ball field, Sebring, FL, during the school
day with no brakes installed and only partial power, enough to go down
only. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Monument Valley, Utah
----- Original Message -----
I recently installed one on my Kolb FireStar and didn't experience
the collapsing you have, probably because I use a bypass line on my fuel
routing setup. Still, glad you pointed it out as a potential problem
area.
Bill Varnes
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Liability for selling your aircraft (was: Not Kolb |
related
. If you think you know more and can give better legal advice to members of
this forum on this subject than an aviation lawyer, then you must be much
more experienced in this field than I gave you credit for.>>
Oh dear Mike.
Thank you for your reasonable reply to my post. Did you really have to keep
up your reputation by adding the snide and quite unnecessary comments above.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
The FAA has released the latest version of Advisory Circular 20-27G,
"Certification and Operation of Amateur-Built Aircraft". Topics covered are:
(1) Certificating and operating your amateur-built aircraft,
(2) What to do and know before building an amateur-built aircraft,
(3) Designing and constructing your amateur-built aircraft,
(4) Fabricating and assembling your amateur-built aircraft,
(5) Registering your amateur-built aircraft,
(6) Identifying and marking your amateur-built aircraft,
(7) Applying for certification of your amateur-built aircraft,
(8) FAA inspection of your amateur-built aircraft,
(9) Issuing an airworthiness certificate for your amateur-built aircraft,
(10) Flight testing your amateur-built aircraft,
(11) Operating your amateur-built aircraft after flight testing,
(12) Amateur-built aircraft built outside the United States and purchased by
a U.S. citizen,
(13) Becoming a repairman for your amateur-built aircraft, and
(14) General safety recommendations.
A copy can be downloaded here:
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%2020-27G.pdf
Rick Girard
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly - MZ 34 Start Up |
Bill,
It, the bulb, was designed for marine use where there is not that much head
difference between the tank and the engine. Today, it is going to be an
inside day because of rain, so I will go to the airport and remove the bulb
and bring it home. It is assembled with wire spring clamps on each end of
the bulb. I will remove them and pull out the valve assemblies and see if I
can insert a perforated tube liner between and over the valve assemblies to
prevent total collapse of the bulb. This should allow the fuel to pass on
through even though the liner collapses. To maintain bulb pumping function
the aluminum liner tube will be drilled full of holes. For ultra light
vehicle use, this fix should be much lighter than the original bulb that
came with the FireFly, and much simpler than the bulb and bypass system.
So if it works, your suggested bulb will be better than what I had
originally. If not I will fall back to the bypass system.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
.....................
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:32:53 EDT
Jack,
I'm the one who suggested that NAPA had a primer bulb. I recently installed one
on my Kolb FireStar and didn't experience the collapsing you have, probably
because I use a bypass line on my fuel routing setup. Still, glad you pointed
it out as a potential problem area.
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| Subject: | Re: Fall is here |
| From: | "robcannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net> |
The yellow plane is a Canadian mfg " Chinook ".
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| Subject: | Re: Liability for selling your aircraft (was: Not Kolb related |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Pat,
You are correct, the last line was uncalled for. I hope you accept my apology.
Mike
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have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | what happened to the online Google questionare reaults? |
I dont remember seeing the final tally for the on line survey that I filled out.
Were they posted and I just missed it?
Jason
MKIII Yamana powered
Portland, OR
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| Subject: | Re: what happened to the online Google questionare reaults? |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
No final tally, yet. I did publish info when I had about 20 replies. The
count, right now, is at 43... I was hoping to get 60-70, which is what
previous polls had gotten. (or, maybe, just that many people were voting
twice! :-)
So, speaking to the broader group, if you haven't filled out the form yet,
please do so soon!
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dDBfR083RWRGbHNvbUZFOWtFLXFTdHc6MA..
-- Robert
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Jason Omelchuck <jason@trek-tech.com>wrote:
>
> I dont remember seeing the final tally for the on line survey that I filled
> out. Were they posted and I just missed it?
>
> Jason
> MKIII Yamana powered
> Portland, OR
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | A new Kolb ready for flight |
| From: | "cspoke" <cspoke(at)gulftel.com> |
I received my airworthiness certificate today. YEA!!!!! Mark 3 XTRA, N381CS is
a real airplane. Now the fun starts-flight testing. It looks like rain and storms
all weekend but as soon as the weather clears, I will start the testing process.
My plane is a Mark 3 XTRA with a VW with redrive. I have been lurking on
the list for the 3 year building process and thanks to all for the great information.
As soon as I get some performance numbers, I will post if anybody is
interested. I included a couple of pics taken inside because it is raining. I
will post more when the weather allows outside shots.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mk 111 Xtra VW (in the works)
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
NICE!!! Congrats!!!
Jim Kmet
912/MK-3C
Cookeville, TN,
----- Original Message -----
From: "cspoke" <cspoke(at)gulftel.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: A new Kolb ready for flight
>
> I received my airworthiness certificate today. YEA!!!!! Mark 3 XTRA,
> N381CS is a real airplane. Now the fun starts-flight testing. It looks
> like rain and storms all weekend but as soon as the weather clears, I will
> start the testing process. My plane is a Mark 3 XTRA with a VW with
> redrive. I have been lurking on the list for the 3 year building process
> and thanks to all for the great information. As soon as I get some
> performance numbers, I will post if anybody is interested. I included a
> couple of pics taken inside because it is raining. I will post more when
> the weather allows outside shots.
>
> --------
> Craig Spoke
> Mk 111 Xtra VW (in the works)
> Lillian, AL
> cspoke(at)gulftel.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Great Job !! Looks nice ! Good luck on your flight testing!
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru
N327CS 70.8 hrs
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
At 08:07 AM 10/9/2009, you wrote:
>
>The best defense against lawsuits is very simple.... poverty.
I found the Liability Form the EAA uses for the
Young Eagles, maybe a variation of it would work?
I would think their lawyers have reviewed it to death by now.
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| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
| From: | loseyf(at)comcast.net |
Great looking bird! Congratulations
Fran Losey
Boca Raton, FL
------Original Message------
From: cspoke
Sender: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: A new Kolb ready for flight
Sent: Oct 9, 2009 3:46 PM
I received my airworthiness certificate today. YEA!!!!! Mark 3 XTRA, N381CS is
a real airplane. Now the fun starts-flight testing. It looks like rain and storms
all weekend but as soon as the weather clears, I will start the testing process.
My plane is a Mark 3 XTRA with a VW with redrive. I have been lurking on
the list for the 3 year building process and thanks to all for the great information.
As soon as I get some performance numbers, I will post if anybody is
interested. I included a couple of pics taken inside because it is raining. I
will post more when the weather allows outside shots.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mk 111 Xtra VW (in the works)
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
> I received my airworthiness certificate today. YEA!!!!! Mark 3 XTRA,
> N381CS is a real airplane. > Craig Spoke
Craig S/Gang:
Congratulations.
Good luck on your first flight and many more to come.
john h
mkIII
Monument Valley, UT
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| From: | neilsenrm(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
Craig
That's one beautifully airplane. Congratulations you are the first Xtra wit
h a VW .
Yes sent us more photos and flight reports.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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From: " cspoke " < cspoke @ gulftel .com>
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 3:46:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Kolb -List: A new Kolb ready for flight
--> Kolb -List message posted by: " cspoke " < cspoke @ gulftel .com>
I received my airworthiness certificate today. YEA!!!!! Mark 3 XTRA , N381C
S is a real airplane. Now the fun starts-flight testing. It looks like rain
and storms all weekend but as soon as the weather clears, I will start the
testing process. My plane is a Mark 3 XTRA with a VW with redrive . I have
been lurking on the list for the 3 year building process and thanks to all
for the great information. As soon as I get some performance numbers, I wi
ll post if anybody is interested. I included a couple of pics taken inside
because it is raining. I will post more when the weather allows outside sho
ts.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mk 111 Xtra VW (in the works)
Lillian, AL
cspoke @ gulftel .com
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
You did a great job from what I can see, however I lost my magnifying
glass, so a lot of it is guess work on my part. :-) try only reducing
the pictures to 1000 x 750 and I won't have to buy a new glass. :-)
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: cspoke
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:46 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: A new Kolb ready for flight
I received my airworthiness certificate today. YEA!!!!! Mark 3 XTRA,
N381CS is a real airplane. Now the fun starts-flight testing. It looks
like rain and storms all weekend but as soon as the weather clears, I
will start the testing process. My plane is a Mark 3 XTRA with a VW with
redrive. I have been lurking on the list for the 3 year building process
and thanks to all for the great information. As soon as I get some
performance numbers, I will post if anybody is interested. I included a
couple of pics taken inside because it is raining. I will post more when
the weather allows outside shots.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mk 111 Xtra VW (in the works)
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Possums wrote:
>
>
> I found the Liability Form the EAA uses for the
> Young Eagles, maybe a variation of it would work?
> I would think their lawyers have reviewed it to death by now.
>
Here is what you have to understand. No variation, no document, no contract, in
no way would ever work. The person that buys your plane may or may not be able
to sue you depending on the details, BUT.... The person that purchases your
plane can NOT EVER sign the rights of his family away, they can sue you no
matter what he signs.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
In a message dated 10/9/2009 3:47:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cspoke(at)gulftel.com writes:
I received my airworthiness certificate today. YEA!!!!! Mark 3 XTRA,
N381CS is a real airplane. Now the fun starts-flight testing. It looks like rain
and storms all weekend but as soon as the weather clears, I will start the
testing process. My plane is a Mark 3 XTRA with a VW with redrive. I have
been lurking on the list for the 3 year building process and thanks to all
for the great information. As soon as I get some performance numbers, I
will post if anybody is interested. I included a couple of pics taken inside
because it is raining. I will post more when the weather allows outside
shots.
Craig,
Your M3X looks beautiful. Please stop lurking. We have a great desire to
hear what you have to say, especially about your VW. Congratulations on
your accomplishment!
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
Craig,
the plane looks quite nice.
Quite nice is fulsome praise in this part of the UK
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | plastic props & rain |
I fly a powerfin prop. It came from the factory with what looks like
a strip of
heavy plastic tape on the leading edge of the outboard 1/3 of the
blades.
A week or so ago I go into a light rain shower. I can,t see any blade
damage, but as I
am starting to go on some longer x countrys , I,m sure I will get
caught in heavy rain for a longer
period of time. As powerfin has gone belly up and Stuart Gort is no
longer availible to
answer questions. Can someone tell me if the prop as it comes from the
factory is OK to
fly in rain ? If I need to buy something to rainproof it , would
someone please tell me what I
need and where I can get it. I really don,t want to buy a new prop ,
besides the powerfin
does a really good on my A/C.
Frank Goodnight
Firstar 2
Powerfin Prop [ 3 blade ]
HKS engine
Brownsville , TX
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
The polyurethane strips you (probably) have are good for light rain, as
you've already found out. I've never flown in anything heavy, so I never
had to find out if they'd protect the blades or not. I think Ivo sells the
equivalent blade protection, but in stainless steel. I'd have to think
those would be as good or better.
-- Robert
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM, frank.goodnight wrote:
> frank.goodnight(at)att.net>
>
> I fly a powerfin prop. It came from the factory with what looks like a
> strip of
> heavy plastic tape on the leading edge of the outboard 1/3 of the blades.
> A week or so ago I go into a light rain shower. I can,t see any blade
> damage, but as I
> am starting to go on some longer x countrys , I,m sure I will get caught
> in heavy rain for a longer
> period of time. As powerfin has gone belly up and Stuart Gort is no longer
> availible to
> answer questions. Can someone tell me if the prop as it comes from the
> factory is OK to
> fly in rain ? If I need to buy something to rainproof it , would someone
> please tell me what I
> need and where I can get it. I really don,t want to buy a new prop ,
> besides the powerfin
> does a really good on my A/C.
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firstar 2
> Powerfin Prop [ 3 blade ]
> HKS engine
> Brownsville , TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Go to a local office supply store or walmart and get some plastic
packing tape. There are differences in quality
so it will take some experimentation. Usually it comes 2" wide so
splitting will be necessary.
1" is just right.
If you bring some on the ride you will be able to replace it if there
is visible wear.
works for me.
BB, 70" 2 blade WD
On 10, Oct 2009, at 10:25 AM, frank.goodnight wrote:
> >
>
> I fly a powerfin prop. It came from the factory with what looks
> like a strip of
> heavy plastic tape on the leading edge of the outboard 1/3 of the
> blades.
> A week or so ago I go into a light rain shower. I can,t see any
> blade damage, but as I
> am starting to go on some longer x countrys , I,m sure I will get
> caught in heavy rain for a longer
> period of time. As powerfin has gone belly up and Stuart Gort is no
> longer availible to
> answer questions. Can someone tell me if the prop as it comes from
> the factory is OK to
> fly in rain ? If I need to buy something to rainproof it , would
> someone please tell me what I
> need and where I can get it. I really don,t want to buy a new prop ,
> besides the powerfin
> does a really good on my A/C.
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Firstar 2
> Powerfin Prop [ 3 blade ]
> HKS engine
> Brownsville , TX
>
>
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
Guess I should just burn it then?
At 07:22 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote:
>Possums wrote:
> >>
> > I found the Liability Form the EAA uses for the
> > Young Eagles, maybe a variation of it would work?
> > I would think their lawyers have reviewed it to death by now.
> >
>Here is what you have to understand. No variation, no document, no
>contract, in no way would ever work. The person that buys your
>plane may or may not be able to sue you depending on the details,
>BUT.... The person that purchases your plane can NOT EVER sign the
>rights of his family away, they can sue you no matter what he signs.
>
>Mike
>
>--------
>"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as
>you could have !!!
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
Frank, I have seen your plane, and I can assure you that if you get into
rain, you will be looking for a place to put it down as soon as you can.
The condition of your face will concern you more than your prop. :-) Not
sure how much rain you have experienced at 55 MPH, but it doesn't feel
good at all.
Take care
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: frank.goodnight
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:25 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: plastic props & rain
I fly a powerfin prop. It came from the factory with what looks like
a strip of
heavy plastic tape on the leading edge of the outboard 1/3 of the
blades.
A week or so ago I go into a light rain shower. I can,t see any blade
damage, but as I
am starting to go on some longer x countrys , I,m sure I will get
caught in heavy rain for a longer
period of time. As powerfin has gone belly up and Stuart Gort is no
longer availible to
answer questions. Can someone tell me if the prop as it comes from the
factory is OK to
fly in rain ? If I need to buy something to rainproof it , would
someone please tell me what I
need and where I can get it. I really don,t want to buy a new prop ,
besides the powerfin
does a really good on my A/C.
Frank Goodnight
Firstar 2
Powerfin Prop [ 3 blade ]
HKS engine
Brownsville , TX
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| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
nah, sell it to me cheap. I won't sue. (I gar-un-tee)
BB
On 10, Oct 2009, at 4:10 PM, possums wrote:
>
> Guess I should just burn it then?
>
> At 07:22 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote:
>> Possums wrote:
>> >>
>> > I found the Liability Form the EAA uses for the
>> > Young Eagles, maybe a variation of it would work?
>> > I would think their lawyers have reviewed it to death by now.
>> >
>> Here is what you have to understand. No variation, no document, no
>> contract, in no way would ever work. The person that buys your
>> plane may or may not be able to sue you depending on the details,
>> BUT.... The person that purchases your plane can NOT EVER sign the
>> rights of his family away, they can sue you no matter what he signs.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> --------
>> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
>> as you could have !!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Speaking of rain damaged props....
I got my TN prop back from TN yesterday. I sent it to them to fix the chord-wise
rips in the outboard ends of the plastic coating on the prop. The prop was ordered
that way by the builder but he never flew it in rain. I flew it once in
light shower and the plastic coating started ripping off at the high speed ends.
I also wanted them to reduce the pitch of the one blade that was nearly 1.5
degrees greater than the other. I asked them not to put the plastic coating
on it so they did their normal clear hard polyurethane finish. The prop also has
a hard as nails plastic of some sort leading edge built into the shape, i.e.,
not stuck on. The prop is a work of art. I should have taken photos of it but
didn't. I will soon and post them.
Weather was good enough today, for a change, to re-install the prop and get some
test results. Before mounting the prop I checked the pitch and the blades are
only about 10 minutes (< 1/4 degree) apart in pitch now. The biggest change
in flight is that I now get 3,168 rpm (about 100 more than before) at WOT in level
flight and an additional 4 mph airspeed at full throttle level flight.
I don't intentionally fly through rain showers but sometimes it is unavoidable.
I expect the current prop finish with leading edge inlay to survive the rain
better than the poorly bonded plastic that was on it before.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | daniel myers <h20maule(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | plastic props & rain |
I'm sure powerfin knows about rain and designed their props accordingly...J
ust check the prop after every rain you pass through. It won't hurt it enou
gh on one flight to do any sort of catastrophic damage...I used warp drive
on my FSII amphib and also on my SeaRey
From: lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: plastic props & rain
Date: Sat=2C 10 Oct 2009 14:48:33 -0600
Frank=2C I have seen your plane=2C and I can assure you that
if you get into rain=2C you will be looking for a place to put it down as s
oon as
you can. The condition of your face will concern you more than your prop. :
-)
Not sure how much rain you have experienced at 55 MPH=2C but it doesn't fee
l good
at all.
Take care
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From:
frank.goodnight
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday=2C October 10=2C 2009 8:25
AM
Subject: Kolb-List: plastic props &
rain
>
I
fly a powerfin prop. It came from the factory with what looks like
a strip of
heavy plastic tape on the leading edge of the outboard 1/3
of the
blades.
A week or so ago I go into a light rain shower. I
can=2Ct see any blade
damage=2C but as I
am starting to go on some
longer x countrys =2C I=2Cm sure I will get
caught in heavy rain
for a longer
period of time. As powerfin has gone belly up and Stuart Gort
is no
longer availible to
answer questions. Can someone tell me
if the prop as it comes from the
factory is OK to
fly in rain ?
If I need to buy something to rainproof it =2C would
someone please
tell me what I
need and where I can get it. I really don=2Ct want to buy a
new prop =2C
besides the powerfin
does a really good on my
A/C.
Frank Goodnight
Firstar 2
Powerfin Prop [ 3 blade ]
HKS
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
> I don't intentionally fly through rain showers but sometimes it is
unavoidable. I expect the current prop finish with leading edge inlay to
survive the rain better than the poorly bonded plastic that was on it
before.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
How do you get the bugs off the windshield and leading edges of everything?
I hit the nearest rain shower to do the job for me.
john h
mkIII
Monument Valley, Utah
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| Subject: | More-A new Kolb ready for flight |
| From: | "cspoke" <cspoke(at)gulftel.com> |
Thanks for all the kind words about my new plane. I am so excited for the first flight but I will be taking it slow. I uploaded a few of my construction log pics to a web site. The address is http://www.gulftel.com/cspoke/index.html. This way, if you want to look, you can. I should be starting with the taxi tests next weekend.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mark 3 XTRA
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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| Subject: | Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight |
| From: | "cspoke" <cspoke(at)gulftel.com> |
Sorry, I'll try this again. The correct web address is http://www.gulftel.com/cspoke/.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mark 3 XTRA
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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| Subject: | Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Craig,
Nice work and good job of capturing the progress on camera.Really enjoyed the photo
gallery.You have some Kolb fliers in Alabama for company as well.
G.Aman MK-3-C Jabiru 2200 482hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: cspoke <cspoke(at)gulftel.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2009 6:20 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: More-A new Kolb ready for flight
Thanks for all the kind words about my new plane. I am so excited for the first
flight but I will be taking it slow. I uploaded a few of my construction log
pics to a web site. The address is http://www.gulftel.com/cspoke/index.html.
This way, if you want to look, you can. I should be starting with the taxi tests
next weekend.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mark 3 XTRA
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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| Subject: | Re: plastic props & rain |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Thom,
You should live closer to Akron? and then you could try this Prince 5871 S/N 5871P64BP29K
carbon fiber prop.It is lovely.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:10 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: plastic props & rain
Speaking of rain damaged props....
I got my TN prop back from TN yesterday. I sent it to them to fix the chord-wise
rips in the outboard ends of the plastic coating on the prop. The prop was
ordered that way by the builder but he never flew it in rain. I flew it once in
light shower and the plastic coating started ripping off at the high speed ends.
I also wanted them to reduce the pitch of the one blade that was nearly 1.5
degrees greater than the other. I asked them not to put the plastic coating on
it so they did their normal clear hard polyurethane finish. The prop also has a
hard as nails plastic of some sort leading edge built into the shape, i.e., not
stuck on. The prop is a work of art. I should have taken photos of it but
didn't. I will soon and post them.
Weather was good enough today, for a change, to re-install the prop and get some
test results. Before mounting the prop I checked the pitch and the blades are
only about 10 minutes (< 1/4 degree) apart in pitch now. The biggest change in
flight is that I now get 3,168 rpm (about 100 more than before) at WOT in level
flight and an additional 4 mph airspeed at full throttle level flight.
I don't intentionally fly through rain showers but sometimes it is unavoidable.
I expect the current prop finish with leading edge inlay to survive the rain
better than the poorly bonded plastic that was on it before.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple
system that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | great afternoon for Kolb flying |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Good evening fellow Kolb fliers,
We are fortunate to have more than one restaurant within our fuel range.Only 78
miles round trip.Perfect weather this P.M.so it was a lunch trip rather than
breakfast.KTSO is in some rolling hills southwest of Canton Oh.Took a few pictures.They
decorate the walls and ceiling beams with photos of thier customers
aircraft.
? G.Aman MK-3-C
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| Subject: | Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Craig,
Congratulations to you on the completion of your new Xtra, it looks great. Looks
like a Valley Eng. re-drive unit?
After you get some flying time in, please post some performance #'s to the Kolb
List. Have fun with it!
--------
Jimmy Young
Houston, TX
FS II, HKS 700
N7043P
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| Subject: | Re: More-A new Kolb ready for flight |
| From: | "Kip" <klaurie(at)mindspring.com> |
Nice work!!!!
--------
2000 Firestar II
R503 DCDI
VLS 750
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| Subject: | Re: A new Kolb ready for flight |
| From: | "Kip" <klaurie(at)mindspring.com> |
Nice work...!
--------
2000 Firestar II
R503 DCDI
VLS 750
2010 Waiex
Jabiru 3300
1980 Quickie 1
Electric?
Needs restoration!
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| Subject: | Incidence Angles |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
While I had my Warp Drive Protractor out measuring the new pitch of my TN prop
yesterday, I decided to see what the incidence angles were on my Slingshot out
of curiosity. I borrowed Jack Hart's drawing of his FireFly with incidence angles
shown and edited the numbers to correspond to what I measured on my Slingshot.
Image attached.
The Slingshot has a rather tall main gear so the root tube is angled up a lot more
than the short leg Kolbs when on the ground.
In my mind, the numbers worth noting are the Horizontal Stabilizer angle is the
same as the Root Tube. If at cruise speed the HS is even with the relative wind,
then the wing bottoms are at about 7 degrees AOA and the engine centerline
is pointing UP about 3 1/2 degrees from relative wind.
If my assumption is wrong about the HS being level at my normal cruise airspeed
then this would be wrong. Since it is supposed to provide a small down force
at the tail, it is probably pointing down a little bit during cruise flight. In
any case, the difference in incidence between the wing and HS is 7 degrees which
seems like a lot to me.
I'd like to hear from others about these angles on their Kolbs. Especially from
the few other Slingshot flyers on the list, but others as well.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Incidence Angles |
> In my mind=2C the numbers worth noting are the Horizontal Stabilizer angl
e is the same as the Root Tube. If at cruise speed the HS is even with the
relative wind=2C then the wing bottoms are at about 7 degrees AOA and the e
ngine centerline is pointing UP about 3 1/2 degrees from relative wind.
>
> If my assumption is wrong about the HS being level at my normal cruise ai
rspeed then this would be wrong. Since it is supposed to provide a small do
wn force at the tail=2C it is probably pointing down a little bit during cr
uise flight. In any case=2C the difference in incidence between the wing an
d HS is 7 degrees which seems like a lot to me.
>
> I'd like to hear from others about these angles on their Kolbs. Especiall
y from the few other Slingshot flyers on the list=2C but others as well.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo=2C NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x31
Thom=2C
I have done quite a bit of research on the Kolb MkIII wing's incidence an
gles=2C (and have a data table of results)=2C since I am having to change t
he incidence from the Classic angle to the Xtra angle (since my MkIII has u
ndergone a rather complete transformation from starting out as a Classic to
now being an Xtra).
Yes=2C believe it or not=2C 7 degrees incidence =2C in level flightseems
to be pretty close to what my research has shown. 7 degrees incidence soun
ds like a lot=2C and frankly=2C I think it is=2C but it must be what Homer
had intended. Evidently=2C a high incidence wing angle gives the performan
ce that the Kolb are known for.
I do know of at least one individual who is considering lowering the inci
dence on his MkIIIC.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Incidence Angles |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
I was not surprised at the approx. 7 degrees AOA (wing vs relative wind) which
varies with airspeed. The higher the airspeed the lower the AOA and vice versa.
What I was surprised at is the decalage, i.e., the difference in incidence angles
between the wings and the horizontal stabilizer. Attached is Jack Hart's drawing
of his FireFly which shows a decalage of only 2 degrees, 11 (wing) minus
9 (HS).
I was also surprised to see the major difference in thrust lines relative to wing
incidence. Note that on Jack's FireFly, at least at the time of this drawing,
shows his thrust centerline to pointing down relative to the wing bottom with
a negative difference of about 5 1/2 degrees. My SS thrust line is pointing
up relative to the wing bottom by a positive 3 1/2 degrees.
I know these airplanes are different in many ways but these incidence and thrust-line
differences are pretty major, which is what prompted my query about other
Kolber's incidence angles. I've not looked at the SS plans to see what they
call for but suspect mine is pretty close to plans and it handles very well.
But I'm curious if any other Kolbs have this sort of incidence and thrust-line
relationship.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Incidence Angles |
>
>In my mind, the numbers worth noting are the Horizontal Stabilizer angle is
the same as the Root Tube. If at cruise speed the HS is even with the
relative wind, then the wing bottoms are at about 7 degrees AOA and the
engine centerline is pointing UP about 3 1/2 degrees from relative wind.
>
>If my assumption is wrong about the HS being level at my normal cruise
airspeed then this would be wrong. Since it is supposed to provide a small
down force at the tail, it is probably pointing down a little bit during
cruise flight. In any case, the difference in incidence between the wing and
HS is 7 degrees which seems like a lot to me.
>
Thom,
What is your slip indicator doing at cruise? Is the ball centered?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Incidence Angles |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
My slip indicator is a yaw string and it is centered with feet off the rudders
at my normal cruise speed. The rudder trim tab is bent only very slightly to the
left, giving a little right rudder to accomplish this.
The ailerons do not have trim tabs but the left aileron actuating rod is extended
a lot further than the right one to give wings level flight with no apparent
force on the stick. But the ailerons appear to be in alignment with the bottom
of the wings with stick neutral.
I have electric elevator trim and it flies with the trim indicator near center
at normal cruise. What I have not looked at is the angle of trim tab with respect
to the elevator when in neutral indicator position. I'll check then next time
I am at the airplane.
I'm not very concerned about the difference in incidence of the HS and wings but
am very curious about the thrust line difference. When I go to the airport next
time I'll fetch the plans and see what was called for.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| From: | jvanlaak(at)aol.com |
Folks,
After months of looking for a good MkIIIX I ended up with a 912 powered?Rans S7
Courier.? Although not a Kolb, it is actually a very nice plane with?very good?performance.?
With VGs it takes off in 150 feet no wind and climbs at 1200 fpm.?
Approach at 40 with a landing at 30.? Cruise is 110 at high cruise, but running
around at 80 mph is?only about 3.5 gph.? Wings will fold but it would take
more than an hour, and it does not have the Kolb visibility.? On the other
hand, both doors open in flight.? Nice enough for now.
I hope nobody minds if I pulse the experience of this group to ask about troubleshooting
the charging circuit on the 912.? It has only the built in charging
circuit (no external alternator) and has suddenly quit charging.? It was intermittent
for a while but has decided to take a vacation.? I spent the morning checking
all conections secure and doing the other routine things.? The ammeter
was not very useful so I added a voltmeter when I bought it which clearly shows
when it is charging and when not.? Even with all loads off it still is not
charging at all (voltage just under 12).? When it was charging it would show about
13.5 volts no load.
I am thinking the regulator is the most likely item to change out.? Any other ideas??
What is the cheapest source?
Thanks
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2009 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: plastic props & rain
?
> I don't intentionally fly through rain showers but sometimes it is unavoidable.
I expect the current prop finish with leading edge inlay to survive the rain
better than the poorly bonded plastic that was on it before.?
>?
> --------?
> Thom Riddle?
?
How do you get the bugs off the windshield and leading edges of everything??
?
I hit the nearest rain shower to do the job for me.?
?
?
john h?
mkIII?
Monument Valley, Utah ?
?
?
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Incidence Angles |
Thom,
Been thinking about this a little more. I lowered my thrust line by
rotating the belt reduction unit on the Victor 1+. By doing so, I believe,
it moved the thrust line closer to the center of drag. This in turn reduced
stabilizer and wing loading for the same cruise speed.
See:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly101.html
We seem to have the same angle difference between the wing and the
horizontal stabilizer. But where I am trimmed for cruise at 50-55 mphi, and
max weight of 500 pounds, you are banging along at greater speed, weight and
thrust, with a higher thrust line and working the wing much harder than the
FireFly. I don't believe a FireFly comparison is valid. I believe your
best hope is to find another SlingShot owner.
I tried a string as a slip indicator, and then I tried a ball. I like the
ball. I still use the string, but only as a taxi out and in cross wind
indicator.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Incidence Angles |
My slip indicator is a yaw string and it is centered with feet off the
rudders at my normal cruise speed. The rudder trim tab is bent only very
slightly to the left, giving a little right rudder to accomplish this.
Mine too on my Xtra but the rudder trim is a length of door draught
excluder.stuck to the trailing edge The sort with a flat section and a small
tube on one edge.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Incidence Angles |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
I agree that the only things our airplanes have similar other than being Kolbs,
is that the wings are similar in size so the comparison is probably not a good
one. But yours is the only one I have data on to compare too, not to mention
your drawing also being available for me to copy :-).
On the ground my wing bottoms are at 12 degrees and horizontal stabilizer is at
5 degrees which is a difference of 7 degrees. That is a lot of decalage, compared
to yours which is 2 degrees (11 minus 9). Yours is similar to most aircraft
that I'm familiar with. As you know the more decalage there is the more longitudinal
stability if all else is constant. The Slingshot is pretty short coupled,
so that relatively short arm that the horizontal stabilizer is working with
may require that much extra decalage. I'll know when I check the plans, if
that is close to what was intended. I expect it is about right because the builder
was something of a perfectionist, much to my benefit.
As you noted, your thrust line is much lower than mine and perhaps the major difference
in thrust angle is also required for that high engine centerline, which
I'll also measure on next trip to airport.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Original Firestar Rebuild Photos |
| From: | "joepilot503" <joepilot503(at)hotmail.com> |
I have been reading the forum for years and gathered alot of info from it. I finally registered to the forum. I bought an original 5 rib Firestar in June 2003. Thought I would share some photos of it. In 07 the throttle cable kinked at the lever while taxiing and turning to line up on runway and was stuck about 5000 rpm, ended up going into the trees before I was able to kill it, tore the gear off. Anyway I decided to restore and customize it a bit. Here is a link to my site if your interested www.brianskolbfirestar.comlu.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267504#267504
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Incidence Angles |
> The ailerons do not have trim tabs but the left aileron actuating rod is
extended a lot further than the right one to give wings level flight with no
apparent force on the stick. But the ailerons appear to be in alignment with
the bottom of the wings with stick neutral.
>
> Thom Riddle
Thom R/Gang:
Adjusting length of aileron push/pull tube(s) does a couple things:
a. Changes the position of the control stick when the ailerons load up and
equalize in flight.
b. Increases or decreases droop/reflex.
What it doesn't do is change roll trim.
john h
mkIII
Blanding, UT
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| Subject: | Re: Incidence Angles |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Thom R/Gang:
>
> Adjusting length of aileron push/pull tube(s) does a couple things:
>
> a. Changes the position of the control stick when the ailerons load up and
> equalize in flight.
>
> b. Increases or decreases droop/reflex.
>
> What it doesn't do is change roll trim.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Blanding, UT
John is correct, changing the length of those tubes will have no effect on Roll
trim. It will change where the stick physically centers when flying...
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: charging on 912 |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
I defer to the electricians in the group. I'll just throw these two things out
for you to consider if all else fails.
1) How old is your engine? There was a Service Bulletin and stator replacement
program for 912's around 2004. You could check the ROAN site and cross reference
your engine serial number to see if it fell in that group.
2) This one is based on my personal experience. Correct wire gauge and good connections
are critical. I originally installed what I thought was the correct
wire size (not good with metric) and my system never charged. I didn't know
I had a problem till the first time I flew with John H, John W, Gary H, and Steven
G. They were running all kind of gadgets off their systems. Got home from
the trip to Kitty Hawk and TNK and change out the wire to a heavier gauge and
suddenly every thing started working. I got gadgets running now! So a bad
wire or loose connection that would increase resistance can be a problem for
this system.
Good luck.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267543#267543
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| Subject: | Re: charging on 912 |
| From: | jvanlaak(at)AOL.COM |
Thanks to all who commented.
John, the builder did fine on the airframe but wiring is not his strong suit.?
I am in fact rewiring much of the plane not so much because the wire is too small
as the lengths are too long and there are too many splices.? Shorter, cleaner
wires should help.
The engine is a 2000 model and the builder seems to be up to date on service bulletins
but I will check again.? The plane was charging OK but now is not charging
at all.? Even when it was it was marginal with the strobes on.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: John Bickham <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:54 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: charging on 912
I defer to the electricians in the group. I'll just throw these two things out
for you to consider if all else fails.
1) How old is your engine? There was a Service Bulletin and stator replacement
program for 912's around 2004. You could check the ROAN site and cross
reference your engine serial number to see if it fell in that group.
2) This one is based on my personal experience. Correct wire gauge and good
connections are critical. I originally installed what I thought was the correct
wire size (not good with metric) and my system never charged. I didn't know I
had a problem till the first time I flew with John H, John W, Gary H, and Steven
G. They were running all kind of gadgets off their systems. Got home from the
trip to Kitty Hawk and TNK and change out the wire to a heavier gauge and
suddenly every thing started working. I got gadgets running now! So a bad wire
or loose connection that would increase resistance can be a problem for this
system.
Good luck.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267543#267543
Contribution Web Site -
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| Subject: | Re: charging on 912 |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:31 AM, wrote:
> Thanks to all who commented.
>
> John, the builder did fine on the airframe but wiring is not his strong
> suit. I am in fact rewiring much of the plane not so much because the wire
> is too small as the lengths are too long and there are too many splices.
> Shorter, cleaner wires should help.
>
> The engine is a 2000 model and the builder seems to be up to date on
> service bulletins but I will check again. The plane was charging OK but now
> is not charging at all. Even when it was it was marginal with the strobes
> on.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bickham <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:54 am
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: charging on 912
>
>
> I defer to the electricians in the group. I'll just throw these two things out
> for you to consider if all else fails.
>
> 1) How old is your engine? There was a Service Bulletin and stator replacement
> program for 912's around 2004. You could check the ROAN site and cross
> reference your engine serial number to see if it fell in that group.
>
> 2) This one is based on my personal experience. Correct wire gauge and good
> connections are critical. I originally installed what I thought was the correct
> wire size (not good with metric) and my system never charged. I didn't know
I
> had a problem till the first time I flew with John H, John W, Gary H, and Steven
> G. They were running all kind of gadgets off their systems. Got home from the
> trip to Kitty Hawk and TNK and change out the wire to a heavier gauge and
> suddenly every thing started working. I got gadgets running now! So a bad wire
> or loose connection that would increase resistance can be a problem for this
> system.
>
> Good luck.
>
> --------
> Thanks too much,
>
> John Bickham
> Mark III-C w/ 912UL
> St. Francisville, LA
>
> I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
> I have the greatest respect for.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267543#267543
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: charging on 912 |
If the charging is marginal with the strobes.. How much power do they
pull? How much power do the other gadgets pull? How much power does the
engine produce? It may be that you are using all that the generator can
produce.
Boyd Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The engine is a 2000 model and the builder seems to be up to date on service
bulletins but I will check again. The plane was charging OK but now is not
charging at all. Even when it was it was marginal with the strobes on.
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: charging on 912 |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Sorry I was wrong.
The Service Bullentin for the stator replacement was SB-912-02UL. It was issued
December, 1999.
I loose track of time and even reality sometimes!
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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| Subject: | Re: charging on 912 |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
You have 3 components in the charge system.
Here is a basic way to get close to the problem.
Run the plane, if the regulator get warm the stator is likely good.
If the regulator is cold the stator is likely bad.
Get a headlight from a car or motorcycle, connect high to one stator ac lead and
low to another ac lead, do not use the bulbs ground. Stator should light the
bulb, if you rev the motor you will need another bulb.
A weak battery can damage your charging system.
I like amp meters but if you do a voltage drop on a battery cable and then start
the motor, you will see the voltage reading change polarity on a working system
regardless of battery condition.
If you want more technical answers than what I have given you you can send me a
message and I will spare others the headache.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| Subject: | MKIII Weight and Balance and feel of the airplane |
Well I am just wrapping up my 40 hour fly off with the new engine and I finally
got around to testing the aft CG limit I have set. I have set my forward limit
at 16.5" and the aft limit at 23.5" (datum is the LE of the wing). I chose
these limits as they have been used and tested in MKIII's before. I reach gross
weight before I reach the forward limit. To test fly at the aft limit I set,
I strapped 10# of lead to the tail wheel strut. It was either that or find
a person lighter than me to fly it. I must say that I liked the way the plane
felt at the aft CG of 23.5". It was lighter in roll and still did not have
any trouble keeping straight and level in cruise. I only have about 60 hours
in a Kolb, and am by no means an experienced test pilot, but I just thought it
was interesting how it lightened up the controls at the aft CG. I am not going
to test any further aft than 23.5" as I am not that brave (or experienced)
but I would be interested if there are any real test pilots out there in Kolb
land who have actually tested the aft CG to its limits of stall recovery or stability.
Jason
MKIII Yamaha powered
Portland, OR
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| Subject: | Re: charging on 912 |
| From: | jvanlaak(at)aol.com |
Thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: dalewhelan <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:25 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: charging on 912
You have 3 components in the charge system.
Here is a basic way to get close to the problem.
Run the plane, if the regulator get warm the stator is likely good.
If the regulator is cold the stator is likely bad.
Get a headlight from a car or motorcycle, connect high to one stator ac lead and
low to another ac lead, do not use the bulbs ground. Stator should light the
bulb, if you rev the motor you will need another bulb.
A weak battery can damage your charging system.
I like amp meters but if you do a voltage drop on a battery cable and then start
the motor, you will see the voltage reading change polarity on a working system
regardless of battery condition.
If you want more technical answers than what I have given you you can send me a
message and I will spare others the headache.
--------
Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267596#267596
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MKIII Weight and Balance and feel of the airplane |
I don't know what the limits are, but they sure are a lot more fun to
fly the further aft you get the CG.
Maybe John H knows - he keeps adding things (like 10 lb tail wheels) to his?
At 02:33 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote:
>
>Well I am just wrapping up my 40 hour fly off with the new engine
>and I finally got around to testing the aft CG limit I have set. I
>have set my forward limit at 16.5" and the aft limit at 23.5" (datum
>is the LE of the wing). I chose these limits as they have been
>......It was lighter in roll and still did not have any trouble
>keeping straight and level in cruise. I only have about 60 hours in
>a Kolb, and am by no means an experienced test pilot, but I just
>thought it was interesting how it lightened up the controls at the
>aft CG. I am not going to test any further aft than 23.5" as I am
>not that brave (or experienced) but I would be interested if there
>are any real tes!
> t pilots out there in Kolb land who have actually tested the aft
> CG to its limits of stall recovery or stability.
>
>Jason
>MKIII Yamaha powered
>Portland, OR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Original Firestar Rebuild Photos |
Joe,
Beautiful plane.
Very nice rebuild job. Workmanship looks great. Excellent
modifications.
Thanks for sharing your website picts.
Gene Zimmerman
On Oct 11, 2009, at 3:58 PM, joepilot503 wrote:
> >
>
> I have been reading the forum for years and gathered alot of info
> from it. I finally registered to the forum. I bought an original 5
> rib Firestar in June 2003. Thought I would share some photos of
> it. In 07 the throttle cable kinked at the lever while taxiing and
> turning to line up on runway and was stuck about 5000 rpm, ended up
> going into the trees before I was able to kill it, tore the gear
> off. Anyway I decided to restore and customize it a bit. Here is a
> link to my site if your interested www.brianskolbfirestar.comlu.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267504#267504
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Original Firestar Rebuild Photos |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Beautiful plane.
> Very nice rebuild job. Workmanship looks great. Excellent modifications.
> Thanks for sharing your website picts.
>
> Gene Zimmerman
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2009, at 3:58 PM, joepilot503 wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been reading the forum for years and gathered alot of info from it.
>> I finally registered to the forum. I bought an original 5 rib Firestar in
>> June 2003. Thought I would share some photos of it. In 07 the throttle
>> cable kinked at the lever while taxiing and turning to line up on runway and
>> was stuck about 5000 rpm, ended up going into the trees before I was able to
>> kill it, tore the gear off. Anyway I decided to restore and customize it a
>> bit. Here is a link to my site if your interested
>> www.brianskolbfirestar.comlu.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267504#267504
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Incidence Angles |
From: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:52:26 -0400
>
Thom
Interesting discussion about AOL's of HS & wing. But I wonder if the boom
tube of a Kolb in level flight is absolutely horizontal? Anyone have a good
picture of a Kolb in flight with the horizon behind
it?
>
Russ,
I checked the FireFly out with a AOA meter. At cruise the tail boom tube
would be 4.5 degrees up.
I have some photos that help but none with the horizon. The first is a
ground effect fly by at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly87.html
Then there are several low level flight photos that were taken from the
ground at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly137.html
If you click on the photos they will enlarge. It is difficult to judge from
these photos if the tail boom 4.5 degrees up, but it would be difficult to
say that it is not up 4.5 degrees too.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Incidence Angles |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
If your tail boom is inclined 4.5 degrees up at the tail end during cruise that
means your nose rotates down about 6 degrees from 3-point and gives a cruise
wing AOA of 5 degrees, which is pretty close to cruise AOA of lots of airplanes,
and the HS AOA of about 3 degrees positive. Useful and interesting information.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267677#267677
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| Subject: | Angle measurements |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Couldn't sleep so I went to the hangar and set Zulu Delta up with horizontal
stab level.
- Boom tube 4.5 degrees up toward aft
- Wing bottom 7 degrees
- Engine tube 5 degrees down toward aft
Hope this helps
Rick Girard
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Nauga Field Fly-Around - December 4, 5, 6 |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Just a friendly reminder:
THIRD ANNUAL NAUGA FIELD FLY-AROUND
The dates for this years event will be December 4th, 5th, and 6th (first weekend
in December). Come pass a good time.
Let me know if you are planning on attending. Need to know how much groceries
to plan for. Also, if you are interested in the infamous "Nauga t-shirt", need
a shirt size. Will need to place that order in advance. Sorry, must be present
score a T-shirt.
Folks planning on attending so far:
John H
Gary H
Jimmy Y
Mike and Jan M (maybe)
Frank G (maybe)
The cooler weather will help the cooks mood and the planes will fly better. Camping
and sitting around a fire at night will be possible too.
I dont know when you snowbirds start your migration south, but it will be great
if you want to pass this way.
Nauga Field (LS35) is located ~ 15 nm north of Baton Rouge, LA in the wonderful
community of Starhill, LA.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/LS35
FAA Identifier: LS35
Lat/Long: 30-45-45.1000N / 091-16-38.1000W
30-45.751667N / 091-16.635000W
30.7625278 / -91.2772500 (estimated)
Elevation: 38 ft. / 12 m (estimated)
>From city: 5 miles E of ST FRANCISVILLE, LA
Nauga Field is a short grass strip with obstacles (trees) at both ends. Kolbs can
handle this fine, but not much else. If you are not proficient at short field
landings over obstacles, then Nauga Field will be very intimidating. The
runway is 1550 ft tree line to tree line. Thresholds are displaced 450 ft from
both ends (state requirement). You can use what you can get down to. Two person
operation is not recommended, especially with fuel and gear. If you plan
on flying in and are not used to short grass strips, please practice or don't
fly in for your safety and ours.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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| From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Original Firestar Rebuild Photos |
Joe,
With winter coming on , I have been trying to build a full windscreen
for my Firestar 2.
I think your design is cleaner , simpler & better looking than
anything I came up with.
Seems like whatever needs to be done , someone on the list has helpful
information.
I have copied at least 3 things from Larry c. and received good advice
from several other
members, and now I,ll copy your windscreen, dosen,t do much for my ego
but if a better
idea comes along , beats trying to reinvent the wheel. Looks as if you
did a great job on your
a/c thanks for the pictures.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar2
Brownsville, TX
On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Beautiful plane.
> Very nice rebuild job. Workmanship looks great. Excellent
> modifications.
> Thanks for sharing your website picts.
>
> Gene Zimmerman
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2009, at 3:58 PM, joepilot503 wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> I have been reading the forum for years and gathered alot of info
>> from it. I finally registered to the forum. I bought an original 5
>> rib Firestar in June 2003. Thought I would share some photos of
>> it. In 07 the throttle cable kinked at the lever while taxiing and
>> turning to line up on runway and was stuck about 5000 rpm, ended up
>> going into the trees before I was able to kill it, tore the gear
>> off. Anyway I decided to restore and customize it a bit. Here is a
>> link to my site if your interested www.brianskolbfirestar.comlu.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Original Firestar Rebuild Photos |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15(at)juno.com> |
It looks like a pretty good job to me. You sure reinforced those wings and tips!
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
970 hours
22 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hello Gang!
Shot another video this afternoon.It was kind of windy and gusty today,but just
to nice to pass up ! Hope you enjoy it !
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab 72.2hrs
N327CS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzRCZ9It4gs
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
....The numbers I am holding up is my ground speed on final...first was 36 the
32 the rest of the way down...
chris ambrose
m3x/jab 72.2
N327CS
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Stored In An Old Brownie Camera |
some
results of aircraft used against the US>>
Good set of pics. Billy Mitchell was right wasn`t he?
Pat
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Nice video Chris, It looks like it was pretty smooth once you got some altitude.
I was going to ask you what the speeds were on the ASI, but you covered it
on the captions ! Did you just do one trip around the pattern that day ?
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Here is a picture from my last " Flight "... It was windy and gusty here also,
I was hoping it would pass, but it only got worse. I barely got the plane back
into the hanger in time before my Kolb would have flown on its own :)
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Stored In An Old Brownie Camera |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
Craig,
Greg, Myself and 2 others are flying into Copperstate on Saturday, it would
be nice to see you and Milo.
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Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Original Firestar Rebuild Photos |
Eugene- that is a nice rebuild ,if- you look at the pic of his throtle
you can see the- trim wheel that he has installed , it looks like the "Ra
ns" trim I told you about.=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilo
t=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________
_____________=0AFrom: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@m
atronics.com=0ASent: Mon, October 12, 2009 7:55:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-L
Eugene Zimmerman =0A=0AJoe,=0A=0ABeautiful plane.=0AVery
nice rebuild job. Workmanship looks great.- Excellent modifications.=0AT
hanks for sharing your website picts.=0A=0AGene Zimmerman=0A=0A=0AOn Oct 11
, 2009, at 3:58 PM, joepilot503 wrote:=0A=0A> --> Kolb-List message posted
by: "joepilot503" =0A> =0A> I have been reading th
e forum for years and gathered alot of info from it. I finally registered t
o the forum. I bought an original 5 rib Firestar in June 2003.- Thought I
would share some photos of it.- In 07 the throttle cable kinked at the l
ever while taxiing and turning to line up on runway and was stuck about 500
0 rpm, ended up going into the trees before I was able to kill it, tore the
gear off. Anyway I decided to restore and customize it a bit.- Here is a
link to my site if your interested www.brianskolbfirestar.comlu.com=0A>
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.mat
ronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267504#267504=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A
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| Subject: | Re: Original Firestar Rebuild Photos |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
joepilot503 wrote:
> I have been reading the forum for years and gathered alot of info from it. I finally registered to the forum. I bought an original 5 rib Firestar in June 2003. Thought I would share some photos of it. In 07 the throttle cable kinked at the lever while taxiing and turning to line up on runway and was stuck about 5000 rpm, ended up going into the trees before I was able to kill it, tore the gear off. Anyway I decided to restore and customize it a bit. Here is a link to my site if your interested www.brianskolbfirestar.comlu.com
Brian?/Joe?:
Nice job on the rebuild. Lots of nice improvements.
Did notice the image for the Primer and Fuel Shut Off...
Is the ON position UP and OFF position horizontal for that valve? If so, you might
want to consider rotating the valve 180 deg. so that ON is down. Although
rare, these valves have been know to vibrate and gravity moves them toward the
DOWN position. If ON is down, it is more likely to stay down (ON) with vibration.
Just a thought....
Tell 'em Beauford.... worth what you paid for it.
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George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hi All...
Thom...I was just trying to kill time for the video ,thats why the large pattern.....and
Mike...My IAS was 50-55 and I was up earlier that day harassing some
State Police buddies at the shooting range some 25 mi NE of our airport....On
the way back home from the range my friend got a picture of 2 eagles soaring
at our altitude! I will get the picture and post it...it's cool!
chris ambrose
m3x/jab
N327CS
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| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
ces308 wrote:
> I will get the picture and post it...it's cool!
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> chris ambrose
> m3x/jab
> N327CS
Good, because I couldn't see it on Facebook since I'm not friends with Ken.
I can't wait for Saturday. It is supposed to really cool off here and have only
a high of 70. It will be nice for our Waycross Flyers Food and Fun. If anyone
wants to come by we'll be there having cake and ice cream starting around
11am ET. But let me know if you're coming so I can make sure I have enough.
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | "Jim Kmet" <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | MK-3C for sale in California |
Fellow listers, I`m doing this as a favor to a Fellow Kolber that must
sell his MK-3C due to Cancer. He doesn`t want his wife to have to deal
with it later, & he`s having trouble with his barnstormers account.
His Name is Vic Gibson, Ph # 912-722-9692, He`d like to get $20,000. Has
an automotive conversion, (Geo?) maybe. I know nothing else about the
plane, other than he would entertain offers.
Call him if interested.
Jim Kmet
912 MK3C
Cookeville, TN
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| From: | EmailUser greg <greg(at)skyelink.com> |
Does anyone on the list have a kolb lazor that would be willing to send some
pic to me just baught one from travis. Thanks
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| From: | "Eddie" <e.bayliss(at)blueyonder.co.uk> |
This is the only picture I could find that shows my mk111 in flight It
was only taken with a phone so the quality is not good but I think you
can see the angle of the tail boom . Just for the record it was taken as
I was returning to our airfield at Ince blundell just to the north of
Liverpool here in the uk . If you like I can see if can get someone to
take another ,better one this weekend If I manage to get to the field
and do some flying
Eddie
MK 111 rotax 582
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| From: | "Kip" <klaurie(at)mindspring.com> |
Your message is incomprehensible.
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2000 Firestar II
R503 DCDI
VLS 750
2010 Waiex
Jabiru 3300
1980 Quickie 1
Electric?
Needs restoration!
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
Yes - it would be hard to send you a picture of the only? (Kolb -
Lazer) that you bought from TNK ,,, Travis.
But here is a picture of the New Kolb Mega-Lazer I bought from Bruce.
At 09:01 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote:
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>2000 Firestar II
Does anyone on the list have a kolb lazor that would be willing to
send some pic to me just baught one from travis. Thanks
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: kolb tail boom |
Here are some flying pictures.
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Kolbers,
I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something that
happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more about it.
Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I found a
report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled and
found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were
interesting.
It can be seen at:
http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/man_injured_following_plane_cr.php
Wet and cold.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
| From: | "Kip" <klaurie(at)mindspring.com> |
Yep. Too much wood for me in this bird... :o
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2000 Firestar II
R503 DCDI
VLS 750
2010 Waiex
Jabiru 3300
1980 Quickie 1
Electric?
Needs restoration!
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
Looks like a Fisher,LMA or Roger mann design... Certainly was not
just "Taxiing" !! Herb
At 07:38 AM 10/16/2009, you wrote:
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>Kolbers,
>
>I view the FAA Accident and Incident List and when I find something that
>happens close by in Indiana, I searched to find out a little more about it.
>Usually, I do not find much more informantion. A few days ago, I found a
>report on a nonregistered ultralight at Bedford, Indiana. I Googled and
>found the following site. It was not a FireFly, but the photos were
>interesting.
>
>It can be seen at:
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>http://www.wbiw.com/local/archives/2009/10/man_injured_following_plane_cr.php
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>Wet and cold.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Winchester, IN
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>
>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>10/15/09 20:39:00
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Kolb Laser pictures |
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
Could have been doing a high speed taxi, groundlooped, and caught a wing
tip. Or... ask Bill Sullivan how one can destroy a plane while intending
to do nothing but taxiing.
-Dana
--
The two most common elements in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity.
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| From: | "Steamin" <steamin(at)gmail.com> |
Hi. I was a co worker with Brad. His loss has left a hole in many lives.
Since this forum is dedicated to pilot safety, I feel compelled to add to the above
discussion that, the BRS chute entanglement was most certainly, at least
to me, caused by the fact the rocket never fired. First responders weren't able
to get near the crash until the rocket was fired.
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Steamin,
Thanks for taking the time to come here and add some information about this accident.
Its always sad to see something like this happen, hopefully others can
learn from this and prevent repeats in the future. After reading the report
from Brads accident, if I ever need my BRS, I will be much more likely to remember
the entanglement issue after and make sure my engine is completely stopped.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
Maybe during the taxi he got airborne a little >>
Wow, just seen the pics. it looks as though he got airborne a lot. Nose
pushed back level with the leading edge. Wings broken free from the root
fixings at least and smashed back past the leading edge. A hell of a
wack to break a fuselage and bend the tail forward like that. No damage
to the undercart. I will go with the hypothesis that he was coming down
almost vertically when he hit. I think the undamaged u/c is the
clincher. Flatter and the u/c would have spread. A bit steeper and the
wheels would have been knocked backwards.
Just my five penn`orth (sorry, cents)
Past
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
locked up the brakes and just went right over on his snout. Look
at the struts, the channel carry through and the landing gear. The gear
is
almost pristine and the struts don't appear to be bent forward very
much.>>
Hi Richard,
as you say, it is an interesting problem. However, I can`t imagine any
scenario where the fuselage would break with the tail forward except a
sudden full stop with quite a lot of forward motion. No brakes I ever
saw could produce traction like that.Even assuming that they could the
wheels would skid. The only way I can see this damage happening is
driving full chat into a solid wall or diving into the ground.
The struts have not moved forward much because there is nowhere for them
to go. The wing is buried in the tarmac halfway to the main spar so the
struts maximum forward movement could only be around 18 inches or maybe
2ft.
Did no investigaton take place?. Here there would be a CAA report
somewhere and probably available on line.
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Super Cub Bear Attack 2009 |
Not Kolb but very interesting. John H where are you?
Cheers
Pat
The pilot had not yet cleaned out the inside of his Super Cub
after a long fishing trip, and a passing bear had a to have a look
inside.
The guy had 2 new tires, 3 cases of Duct Tape, and several rolls
of cellophane delivered, and then went about repairing the plane so he
could fly it home. Have a look at this .....
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| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
I am new to this list, and in the final stages of building a Firefly. I am using
a 3 blade Ivoprop. I expect to start and break in the engine in the next week
or so. What would be a good initial setting. I know I will need to fine tune
it later but I would like to have a reasonable load on the engine at start up.
Standard Firefly engine gearbox package.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly prop |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Do not prop for full RPM on the ground, if you do your EGT's will most likely be
too high. My setting for a 447 on the ground is around 6100 - 6200 RPM. If
you look at the power curve, you get very little more power at higher RPM's and
just shorten the life of the engine hugely by trying to get every last HP out
of it by running a high RPM...
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? |
| From: | "powerglider" <francesco(at)powerglider.biz> |
My girlfriend just bought a Kolb Mark 3, she has some previous cesna experience
but needs instruction on her new plane as it's been a while (late 1980's).
Any instructors out there with Kolb 2 seat experience that don't have a plane that
want to teach her on her plane?
Located in Mediapolis, Iowa, 52637, close to Burlington.
Her other choice so far is to take lessons on a cesna again.
We can bring the plane to your favorite runway (hope it's not too far) and take
lessons from there. Or if you inspect our own field and it's appropriate you
would be welcome to teach here.
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| Subject: | Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? |
| From: | "powerglider" <francesco(at)powerglider.biz> |
I have a flat trailer that I need to enclose for a Kolb Mark 3.
The plane isn't here yet, but the flat trailer is. My girlfriend wants me to enclose
it.
All I have are the length dimensions I see on the internet, 24 feet.
My question is 24 feet is perfect for the standard 8' sheets of aluminum, but is
the plane really 288 inches long?
If I build it exact it will no doubt get scratched on the tail and the nose, so
I figure it needs a little more room. How much room? 6 inches, so 3 inches of
padding on each end? More?
Is the plane by any chance a few inches shorter than the 24 feet you read on the
internet dimensions? The plane is 2 + hours away in a hangar right now and I
would not want to make that round trip just to measure it.
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
Jerb,
Just a reminder. An airplane can be made to nose over more abruptly
with the stick fully back than it can with the stick fully forward.
Native human instinct is to pull back on the stick to arrest the rapid
descent. toward the tarmac.
Gene
On Oct 20, 2009, at 11:51 AM, jerb wrote:
> I still lean towards the got it off the ground, panicked and shoved
> the stick forward and went in nose down. The Impact was pretty
> substantial judging by the damage shown. Actual some of the damage
> was result of the rescue effort getting the guy out. Too bad. Hope
> the guy recovers OK.
> jerb
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Rotax 503 Running Rough |
I am looking for some help figuring out whats wrong with my SCSI 503. A cou
ple of weeks ago I noticed a miss at higher RPMs (5000 and above), It quick
ly got worse and then began missing at lower RPMs as well. I changed plugs
(resistor type), even though the ones that I was running only had 6 hours o
n them. Same results. I tried non-resistor plugs, same results. I tried rai
sing and lowering the carburetor needle which only made things worse. I rea
djusted the timing from 0.072 to 0.086 inches BTDC. Same results. I removed
the shielding around the sparkplug wires. Same results. I changed points a
nd condensers, and may have goofed up the timing, because now it runs terri
ble! I'm not sure what I'm chasing here! Another thing that puzzles me, and
might be a clue, has to due with the kill switch and behavior of the point
s. Let me explain. When setting the points on the right, the continuity lig
ht connected across the points dims noticably as the points open, regardles
s of kill switch position. The points on the left only dim when the kill sw
itch is in the run position. With the switch on the off position there is b
arely a perceptable flicker as the points open and close. I'm wondering why
the behavoir of the points would be different.
The engine was running fine all year long and I've logged several multi-hou
r flights over the summer without a problem. It has less than 2 years and 6
0 hours on new plug wires and suppression caps. Have any of you guys been d
own this road? Any thoughts?
Malcolm Morrison
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 503 Running Rough |
In a message dated 10/20/2009 7:43:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gliderx5(at)comcast.net writes:
I changed points and condensers, and may have goofed up the timing,
because now it runs terrible!
Malcolm,
This may not be the answer, but something to look at on your new points.
My buddy, Alan, had a Rotax 377 with points ignition. After installing
new points, we had a hard time getting the (Yamaha) point checker (Ohms
meter) to indicate properly. Discovered that the new points were dirty, either
oil or some other kind of preservative coating on the face of the points.
Point cleaning chemical spray would not get them clean. Had to resort to
very fine grit sand paper to get them clean. And as a final cleaning step,
an old timer once told me to slide a clean business card between the
closed points to remove any lasting residual dirt after cleaning them.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hello....I brought my M3X home from London,Kty last January to Houghton Lake Mi
with a 25' enclosed snowmobile trailer and it was to small ....a 27-28' trailer
would have been perfect.If you are building it ,make sure the header coming
in the back is at least 6' tall.I got mine in,but we had to leave the door
open a bit in the back and seal it off for the trip.Also I would take the wings
off and mount them on the sides of the trailer.we didn't putting it in and we
had a hell of a time getting it in...when we got home,we took the wings off
and everything came out real nice.I will post pictures tomorrow of the plane in
the trailer.I'm sure everyone else has a better way,but thats how I would do
it....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab 74.0 hrs
N327CS
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
At 05:17 AM 10/19/2009, pj.ladd wrote:
>
>Did no investigaton take place?. Here there would be a CAA report
>somewhere and probably available on line.
If it's an ultralight and there are no injuries to anybody on the ground
the FAA or NTSB rarely investigate.
-Dana
--
C-CODE
C-CODE RUN
RUN CODE RUN
RUN DAMMIT RUN !
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
If it's an ultralight and there are no injuries to anybody on the ground
the FAA or NTSB rarely investigate.>>
Hi Dana,
Your system has many freedoms but this looks like the downside. Here
there would be an investigation. Not with the purpose of punishment but
trying to find out what happened so that it could be avoided by others.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? |
I got my Sport Pilots license in a J3 and I feel this was a great airplane to
transition to a MKIII from. If your girlfriend can find some kind of light tail
dragger and learn to wheel land it, I believe her airplane will have a much
better chance of surviving her first few hours unscathed.
My $.02 worth
Jason
MKIII, Yamaha Powered
Portland, OR
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? |
> I got my Sport Pilots license in a J3 and I feel this was a great
airplane to transition to a MKIII from. If your girlfriend can find some
kind of light tail dragger and learn to wheel land it, I believe her
airplane will have a much better chance of surviving her first few hours
unscathed.
>
> My $.02 worth
>
> Jason
Jason/Gang:
I try to get a few inches off the ground before I let the airspeed get below
stall speed when landing.
If I get below stall speed at altitudes more than a few inches, it will
stall and fall, whether one foot or 10 feet. My mkIII won't survive a stall
from 20 feet, for sure.
Worth what you paid for it.
john h
mkIII
Marysvale, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? |
>
Jason/Gang:
I try to get a few inches off the ground before I let the airspeed get below
stall speed when landing.
If I get below stall speed at altitudes more than a few inches, it will
stall and fall, whether one foot or 10 feet. My mkIII won't survive a stall
from 20 feet, for sure.
Worth what you paid for it.
john h
mkIII
Marysvale, Utah[/quote][/quote]
Powerglider,
I dont believe Johns advice should be substituted for training, or will help you
find training for your girlfriends transition to her MKIII, but it couldent
hurt to suggest to her not to stall her MKIII 20 feet above the runway.
Jason
MKIII, Yamaha Powered
Portland, OR
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Here are a couple of pictures....
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| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
Grant,
Here is my advice..although as has been already said...its worth what you are
paying for it...
Demo the plane for the buyer...show him it is flys...
then take it apart...not completely of course... just take the wings off and take
out the fuel tank if its not too hard...simple things and have him help so
he can see how to put it back together..
Then have him sign a doc that says he is buying an aircraft that is NOT in flying
condition...parts sale only.
Pack it up and send him on his way.
Even a rookie lawyer could defend you against his heirs if he kills himself in
it then.
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
On this subject, I came across this last night while searching for
something else:
<http://www.aviationlawcorp.com/content/liabhomeblt.html>
-Dana
--
Does fuzzy logic tickle?
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| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
| From: | "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)hughes.net> |
I have already been through this when I sold my Cozy. I was very concerned about
a law suit as you are. In talking to a lawyer about this, he told me there
was NO document available that could be singed that would protect you from a
law suit. I sold the Cozy anyway and had the guy sign the document that the EAA
came up with. Four months later he resold the plane and now all bets are off.
I also actually thought about dismantling the plane and selling parts but
any piece that I built I was liable for. But that's the key word, "I BUILT".
If you did NOT build the plane you are not liable, at all, for the planes construction
defects. That liability will fall back on the original builder.
If you sell a Piper aircraft, you are not responsible for the construction defects
that may be there.
Here is the other down fall. Even if you did not build the plane you could
still find yourself in court were you may win the case but you have spent a
lot of money defending yourself. I don't call that winning either. The more
money there lawyer thinks you have the more likely you will end up in court, simple
as that.
Rick Lewis
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| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
But where is the picture of it actually flying again? [Wink]
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you - I am aware of those factors, I thought someone might have the same
combination and be able to provide # of turns on the adjuster or degrees of pitch.
I would like to go as quickly as possible into the break in without multiple
starts and stops to set the prop.
I do plan to avoid very high RPM use, I was planning to pull the engine apart
prior to flying to improve midrange performance but other projects may prevent
that for now.
Tom
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| From: | Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
Kolbers,
The discussion we're seeing on liability is an indictment on the lack of
personal responsibility that is becoming more and more prevalent in our
society. We're turning into a bunch of whining, puking babies, to quote
a master.
Re: my catastrophic failure at over 1000' AGL in an underconstructed
Chicken Hawk, I did try to locate the mfgr. in Bellingham, WA, but
learned he was out of business. I intended to sue the manufacturer,
since the manufacturer has the responsibility to build a product that is
adequate for its intended purpose, and just as the consumer doesn't have
the obligation to check the tensile strength of the tie rods of the car
he buys, I should not be expected to research the cables used for the
flight controls, which had failed.
But!!! that's where it stops with a reasonable person in this kind of
situation. I never considered suing the man I bought the UL from, the
fellow who put it together, the owner of the strip I flew out of, or
even the man a mile from the airstrip whose brush growing along his
drive served to allow me to survive the fall. None of them had any
responsibility for the construction of or my decision to fly the
aircraft. And since I've raised my children with the same personal
responsibility philosophy that was bred into me, it's highly unlikely
they would have acted any differently if I hadn't survived.
Bottom line: anyone can sue anyone for almost anything, so you can't
shovel snow perfectly enough to totally escape the threat of a lawsuit.
I believe it's best to just relax, go about life in a reasonable manner,
and fight the bozos when you must. There are too many of them on the
loose to avoid them entirely!
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
You can check
www.matronics.com/photoshare/undoctor(at)rcn.com.05.07.2007 if you'd
like to check pics, etc. of the failure and crash.
Subject: Re: law suit after selling plane?
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Grant,
Here is my advice..although as has been already said...its worth
what you are
paying for it...
Demo the plane for the buyer...show him it is flys...
then take it apart...not completely of course... just take the
wings off and take
out the fuel tank if its not too hard...simple things and have
him help so
he can see how to put it back together..
Then have him sign a doc that says he is buying an aircraft that
is NOT in flying
condition...parts sale only.
Pack it up and send him on his way.
Even a rookie lawyer could defend you against his heirs if he
kills himself in
it then.
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
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| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
not much of an airfoil on that corntraption Dave. In the mid 70s when
those kinds of toys became popular I also
was fascinated by the simplicity of bare bones flying machines. I
already had a PPL and a "real" airplane but
still was curious. What saved me from buying one was the high
prices. $3000 for a pile of pipes and cloth
was ridiculous when You could buy a used certificated airplane for the
same amount.
The gap of reality between planes like the Baby Ace and the sleazy
stuff like the chicken hawk fortunately got
closed with the likes of Kolbs, Flightstars, etc.
BB
On 22, Oct 2009, at 10:13 AM, Dave Kulp wrote:
>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> The discussion we're seeing on liability is an indictment on the
> lack of personal responsibility that is becoming more and more
> prevalent in our society. We're turning into a bunch of whining,
> puking babies, to quote a master.
>
> Re: my catastrophic failure at over 1000' AGL in an underconstructed
> Chicken Hawk, I did try to locate the mfgr. in Bellingham, WA, but
> learned he was out of business. I intended to sue the manufacturer,
> since the manufacturer has the responsibility to build a product
> that is adequate for its intended purpose, and just as the consumer
> doesn't have the obligation to check the tensile strength of the tie
> rods of the car he buys, I should not be expected to research the
> cables used for the flight controls, which had failed.
>
> But!!! that's where it stops with a reasonable person in this kind
> of situation. I never considered suing the man I bought the UL
> from, the fellow who put it together, the owner of the strip I flew
> out of, or even the man a mile from the airstrip whose brush growing
> along his drive served to allow me to survive the fall. None of
> them had any responsibility for the construction of or my decision
> to fly the aircraft. And since I've raised my children with the
> same personal responsibility philosophy that was bred into me, it's
> highly unlikely they would have acted any differently if I hadn't
> survived.
>
> Bottom line: anyone can sue anyone for almost anything, so you can't
> shovel snow perfectly enough to totally escape the threat of a
> lawsuit. I believe it's best to just relax, go about life in a
> reasonable manner, and fight the bozos when you must. There are too
> many of them on the loose to avoid them entirely!
>
> Dave Kulp
> Bethlehem, PA
> FireFly 11DMK
>
> You can check www.matronics.com/photoshare/undoctor(at)rcn.com.05.07.2007
> if you'd like to check pics, etc. of the failure and crash.
>
> Subject: Re: law suit after selling plane?
> From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
> Grant,
> Here is my advice..although as has been already said...its
> worth what you are
> paying for it...
> Demo the plane for the buyer...show him it is flys...
> then take it apart...not completely of course... just take the
> wings off and take
> out the fuel tank if its not too hard...simple things and have
> him help so
> he can see how to put it back together..
> Then have him sign a doc that says he is buying an aircraft that
> is NOT in flying
> condition...parts sale only.
> Pack it up and send him on his way.
> Even a rookie lawyer could defend you against his heirs if he
> kills himself in
> it then.
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
>
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
Four months later he resold the plane and now all bets are off. >>.....
Hi,
not from what your next paragraph says..>>....That liability will fall back
on the ORIGINAL BUILDER
<<. If you sell a Piper aircraft, you are not responsible for the
construction defects that may be there.>>
Wasn`t there a story, maybe apocryphal about the guy who taxied his Cub into
a tree and took Piper to court on a charge of bad design because he couldn`t
see over the nose??
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? |
Here are a couple of pictures....>>
Hi,
What a pretty looking Kolb. Very nice indeed.
Don`t want to teach my granny to suck eggs and you have probably done this
by now but a couple of battens laid a few inches apart on the floor of the
trailer enables the tail wheel to be guided into position while pushing the
plane from the front.
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
The government can not prevent folks from doing something stupid, >>
Absolutely agree John, but a quiet word pointing out that someone else
did that before and now they are dead may be of help.
Pat
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
At 12:32 PM 10/22/2009, pj.ladd wrote:
>Wasn`t there a story, maybe apocryphal about the guy who taxied his Cub
>into a tree and took Piper to court on a charge of bad design because he
>couldn`t see over the nose??
I never heard that one (though it wouldn't surprise me) but one case that
raised a big stink some years ago was the case of a Cub that crashed due to
a failed part installed years earlier... said failed part being neither
original nor made by Piper. The widow sued Piper, the airport, the A&P who
performed the annual, the previous owner, you name it. I don't recall the
details but I think it was settled out of court.
-Dana
--
A day without sunshine is like, night.
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| Subject: | Muffler pics for Thom... |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hi Thom / and Gang...
here are the pictures of the muffler...I do not have to remove the muffler to fold
the wings... What does yours look like???
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab 74.0 hrs
N327CS
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
At 09:10 PM 10/21/2009, you wrote:
>
>Grant,
>Here is my advice..although as has been already said...its worth
>what you are paying for it...
>
>Demo the plane for the buyer...show him it is flys...
>then take it apart...not completely of course... just take the wings
>off and take out the fuel tank if its not too hard...simple things
>and have him help so he can see how to put it back together..
>Then have him sign a doc that says he is buying an aircraft that is
>NOT in flying condition...parts sale only.
>Pack it up and send him on his way.
>Even a rookie lawyer could defend you against his heirs if he kills
>himself in it then.
>
>--------
>Don G.
Here is what you have to understand. No variation, no document, no
contract, in no way would ever work. The person that buys your plane
may or may not be able to sue you depending on the details,
BUT.... The person that purchases your plane can NOT EVER sign the
rights of his family away, they can sue you no matter what he signs.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as
you could have !!!
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
Dave I'm with you , I crashed with the demo pilot at TNK Norm Labhart the l
awyers that my wife had wanted me to sue for millions of dollars, Kolb , Ro
tax , The pilots widow ,- I look at life very much like I-believe from
your email you do , I couldn't sue Kolb there was-very-little wrong wit
h the Mk III ex , I couldn't sue Rotax the NTSB took the engine to Fl . put
it on a stand and ran it WFO for 100 hrs without failure, and Norms wife I
could have sued her and taken their home but I wouldn't do something like
that , he had 2 kids 8 and 6 and I could never be that much of an asshole.
He was from all reports John Haucks and every one who new him a good- man
and a good pilot ! =0A--- Our society has turned into an overly liti
gious abortion ,I walked around that aircraft and I got in what happened to
me was my responsibility! Amen!- Chris=0A=0A=0A=0AI Chris Davis=0AKXP 50
3 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net>
=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, October 22, 2009 10:13:42 AM=0A
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: law suit after selling plane?=0A=0A--> Kolb-List me
ssage posted by: Dave Kulp =0A=0A- - =0A=0AKolbers,
=0A=0AThe discussion we're seeing on liability is an indictment on the lack
of personal responsibility that is becoming more and more prevalent in our
society.- We're turning into a bunch of whining, puking babies, to quote
a master.=0A=0ARe: my catastrophic failure at over 1000' AGL in an underco
nstructed Chicken Hawk, I did try to locate the mfgr. in Bellingham, WA, bu
t learned he was out of business.- I intended to sue the manufacturer, si
nce the manufacturer has the responsibility to build a product that is adeq
uate for its intended purpose, and just as the consumer doesn't have the ob
ligation to check the tensile strength of the tie rods of the car he buys,
I should not be expected to research the cables used for the flight control
s, which had failed.=0A=0ABut!!!- that's where it stops with a reasonable
person in this kind of situation.- I never considered suing the man I bo
ught the UL from, the fellow who put it together, the owner of the strip I
flew out of, or even the man a mile from the airstrip whose brush growing a
long his drive served to allow me to survive the fall.- None of them had
any responsibility for the construction of or my decision to fly the aircra
ft.- And since I've raised my children with the same personal responsibil
ity philosophy that was bred into me, it's highly unlikely they would have
acted any differently if I hadn't survived.=0A=0ABottom line: anyone can su
e anyone for almost anything, so you can't shovel snow perfectly enough to
totally escape the threat of a lawsuit.- I believe it's best to just rela
x, go about life in a reasonable manner, and fight the bozos when you must.
- There are too many of them on the loose to avoid them entirely!=0A=0ADa
ve Kulp=0ABethlehem, PA=0AFireFly 11DMK=0A=0AYou can check- - - www.m
atronics.com/photoshare/undoctor(at)rcn.com.05.07.2007- - - if you'd lik
e to check pics, etc. of the failure and crash.=0A=0ATime:- - 06:11:03
- "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>=0A- - - - - - - Grant,=0A
- - Here is my advice..although as- has been already said...its worth
what you are=0A- - paying for it...=0A- - - - - Demo the pla
ne for the buyer...show him it is flys...=0A- - then take it apart...no
t completely of course... just take the wings off and take=0A- - out th
e fuel tank if its not too hard...simple things and- have him help so=0A
- - he can see how to put it back together..=0A- - Then have him si
gn a doc that says he is buying an aircraft that is NOT in flying=0A- -
condition...parts sale only.=0A- - Pack it up and send him on his way.
=0A- - Even a rookie lawyer could defend you against his heirs if he ki
lls himself in=0A- - it then.=0A- - - - - --------=0A- -
Don G.=0A- - Central Illinois=0A- - Kitfox IV Speedster=0A- - L
==================0A=0A=0A
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
At 09:22 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote:
>Dave I'm with you , I crashed with the demo pilot at TNK Norm
>Labhart the lawyers that my wife had wanted me to sue for millions
>of dollars--snip--
> Our society has turned into an overly litigious abortion ,I
> walked around that aircraft and I got in what happened to me was my
> responsibility! Amen! Chris
It wasn't for you it was for him (the lawyer). Same, same for class
actions law suits, where the lawyers get $125,000,000 and the plaintiffs
get a $500 coupon of their next purchase of a Pinto. (That would be a
"Yugo" to you Pat)
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash Photos |
At 05:02 AM 10/21/2009, pj.ladd wrote:
>If it's an ultralight and there are no injuries to anybody on the ground
>the FAA or NTSB rarely investigate.>>
>
>Hi Dana,
>Your system has many freedoms but this looks like the downside. Here
>there would be an investigation. Not with the purpose of punishment but
>trying to find out what happened so that it could be avoided by others.
Well, I suppose one can't have it both ways. I'll take the freedom, and
the risks and responsibilities that go along with it.
Most of the time it's pretty clear anyway what happened. In the case of
the photos that started this discussion, although we're speculating
endlessly on the details, the root cause is clear: pilot error.
-Dana
--
I started out with nothing. I still have most of it left.
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| From: | <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
A few more with your out look may slow the litigation lawyers down. Good
on you for the sensable approach . I have always thought that if sued
and found to be not at fault you should be able to counter sue for the
costs, stress or damage to name. The mind boggles from a place that
doesn't provide for suing. Why should someone profit from someone else's
misfortune. As you said the choice is yours as to whether you hop in or
not. You can bet your last $ that the PIC is aiming for a totally non
eventful flight as well . People like your self inspire confidence in
the human race.
Downunder
MK111c
----- Original Message -----
From: chris davis
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: law suit after selling plane?
Dave I'm with you , I crashed with the demo pilot at TNK Norm Labhart
the lawyers that my wife had wanted me to sue for millions of dollars,
Kolb , Rotax , The pilots widow , I look at life very much like I
believe from your email you do , I couldn't sue Kolb there was very
little wrong with the Mk III ex , I couldn't sue Rotax the NTSB took the
engine to Fl . put it on a stand and ran it WFO for 100 hrs without
failure, and Norms wife I could have sued her and taken their home but I
wouldn't do something like that , he had 2 kids 8 and 6 and I could
never be that much of an asshole. He was from all reports John Haucks
and every one who new him a good man and a good pilot !
Our society has turned into an overly litigious abortion ,I walked
around that aircraft and I got in what happened to me was my
responsibility! Amen! Chris
I
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 10:13:42 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: law suit after selling plane?
Kolbers,
The discussion we're seeing on liability is an indictment on the lack
of personal responsibility that is becoming more and more prevalent in
our society. We're turning into a bunch of whining, puking babies, to
quote a master.
Re: my catastrophic failure at over 1000' AGL in an underconstructed
Chicken Hawk, I did try to locate the mfgr. in Bellingham, WA, but
learned he was out of business. I intended to sue the manufacturer,
since the manufacturer has the responsibility to build a product that is
adequate for its intended purpose, and just as the consumer doesn't have
the obligation to check the tensile strength of the tie rods of the car
he buys, I should not be expected to research the cables used for the
flight controls, which had failed.
But!!! that's where it stops with a reasonable person in this kind of
situation. I never considered suing the man I bought the UL from, the
fellow who put it together, the owner of the strip I flew out of, or
even the man a mile from the airstrip whose brush growing along his
drive served to allow me to survive the fall. None of them had any
responsibility for the construction of or my decision to fly the
aircraft. And since I've raised my children with the same personal
responsibility philosophy that was bred into me, it's highly unlikely
they would have acted any differently if I hadn't survived.
Bottom line: anyone can sue anyone for almost anything, so you can't
shovel snow perfectly enough to totally escape the threat of a lawsuit.
I believe it's best to just relax, go about life in a reasonable manner,
and fight the bozos when you must. There are too many of them on the
loose to avoid them entirely!
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
You can check
www.matronics.com/photoshare/undoctor(at)rcn.com.05.07.2007 if you'd
like to check pics, etc. of the failure and crash.
Subject: Re: law suit after selling plane?
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Grant,
Here is my advice..although as has been already said...its worth
what you are
paying for it...
Demo the plane for the buyer...show him it is flys...
then take it apart...not completely of course... just take the
wings off and take
out the fuel tank if its not too hard...simple things and have
him help so
he can see how to put it back together..
Then have him sign a doc that says he is buying an aircraft that
is NOT in flying
condition...parts sale only.
Pack it up and send him on his way.
Even a rookie lawyer could defend you against his heirs if he
kills himself in
it then.
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
- p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
_=====
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
class actions law suits, >>
It is a less litigious society over here, but don`t worry, we are
getting there. Often now a claim will be pursued not because a law was
broken but because `guide lines` were not followed.
We have a thing called ` Health and Safety` which it seems dreams up all
sorts of ridiculous rules. If you have to change a light bulb and climb
higher than 3 feet you MUST have a a ladder. Standing on a chair and
then falling of means you `were not following guide lines` A policeman
is now not allowed to rescue someone drowning unless he has received
`specialist training`. This happened the other day and while the
policeman was being told by his headquarters via his cell phone that
he should not do anything a bystander went in and pulled the drowning
guy out. Boy Scouts are not allowed to take penknives to camp and are
not allowed to light fires. This is not the law, merely `guide lines`.
The problem is that if an accident occurs the first question is`Did you
follow the guide lines` You didn`t? Well there you are then! You have
three strikes against you before the case starts, .and the insurance
company collects again. The result is that teachers will not take
schoolkids on outings, no one will be a Scoutmaster or a Girl Guide
leader. Who loses out?.The kids the system was designed to protect.
What really makes me angry is that it only needs one judge to take a
stand and a commonsense view and say `Case dismissed and I award costs
against the complainant` and the whole edifice would collapse like a
house of cards. Unfortunately there is too much money riding on the
system whereby everyone in the legal profession briefs, and charges,
someone else and every lawyer wants eventually to get to the top of the
pile.
We have just had a case of a weight shift which failed in flight and
everyone, including the unpaid inspector who signed the machine off were
going to be sued. The charge of course was `negligence`. Nearly everyone
in the microlight movement kicked in some money for a fighting fund and
in the face of expert witnesses flown in from around the world the
judge decided there was no negligence and everyone breathed a sigh of
relief because a finding the other way would have stopped our entire
system in its tracks.
People wonder why we talk of `the good old days`
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Muffler pics for Thom... |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the photos, Chris. It appears that our exhaust systems are virtually
identical.
Now that I look at these photos I see why you can fold your wings and I can't fold
mine without removing the muffler. The aft end of the Slingshot, because it
is a tandem seat arrangement is much narrower than the side-by-side seating
arrangement. Therefore the pivot points on the wing fold hinges are much closer
together and inboard of the outer ends of the muffler. When you fold the wings
the aileron torque tubes rise well above the muffler bottom. If the hinge points
and torque tubes are outboard of the muffler ends they will clear the muffler.
On the narrower SS the folded wings are much closer together and thus interfere
with the muffler when folded.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: Muffler pics for Thom... |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Chris,
I forgot to post a photo of my muffler. Here it is before I had the prop refinished.
The prop is now natural color with polyurethane coating with inlaid leading
edge protection instead of that peel-away-in-the-rain black coating shown
in this photo.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? |
| From: | "powerglider" <francesco(at)powerglider.biz> |
great looking planes guys! Nice trailer.
The plane my girlfriend bought has not had its' wings folded in a long time and
we didn't do it when we were there. From the pictures it looks like the wings
when folded might end up longer than the tail.
So is this the case? Or it the longest part of the plane when wings are folded
still the tail sections? I just don't want to have the previous owner measure
the plane length to within an inch or two only to find out that when the wings
fold it adds more length to the overall sizing.
Is there a difference in length between the MK3c and MK3X?
For width of the trailer I have 94 and 3/4", height will be 8 feet.
The reason I need to have the most exact length is that right now the trailer bed
is 23 feet and 4 inches long, all I have to work with to extend the deck and
then enclose it is the triangular front part of the trailer frame that I would
then need to deck. If I build a little nose "dog house" to extend the length
I currently have it could work but might look pretty ugly, I don't like ugly.
Maybe make a triangle looking nose area? Light cut down on the wind resistance
but framing it out is a bit more work on the roof part.
I appreciate the response, please keep them coming!
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| Subject: | Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? |
| From: | "powerglider" <francesco(at)powerglider.biz> |
thank you for the replies.
My girlfriend found an instructor not too far away in Muscatine Iowa. He flies
another tail dragger and will be getting familiar with her Kolb, then provide
the instruction on her Kolb as long as he feels comfortable with that first which
makes sense.
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| Subject: | Re: Any Kolb instructors close to Burlington Iowa? |
| From: | "powerglider" <francesco(at)powerglider.biz> |
I'm thinking about the runways we need to start preparing for.
I'm hoping 2 runways, 1 north/south, 1 east/west both 500 feet long and 60 feet
wide would be enough for a reasonable safety margin, is it?
No obstructions, 1 year corn stalks, 1 year soy beans around the runways, overrun
would be the corn of the beans (nothing else to hit).
since the width is narrow, how can a pilot best keep the plane in the middle with
a visual marker of some kind? a tall pole in the center at the end of the runway
wouldn't work because it's an extra obstacle to clear, how to you mark the
grass with a center line that is effective but environmentally friendly and
offers excellent visibility?
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: law suit after selling plane? |
Sounds as if Shakespeare was right?? :-) Herb
At 05:58 AM 10/23/2009, you wrote:
>class actions law suits, >>
>
>It is a less litigious society over here, but don`t worry, we are
>getting there. Often now a claim will be pursued not because a law
>was broken but because `guide lines` were not followed.
>We have a thing called ` Health and Safety` which it seems dreams up
>all sorts of ridiculous rules. If you have to change a light bulb
>and climb higher than 3 feet you MUST have a a ladder. Standing on a
>chair and then falling of means you `were not following guide lines`
>A policeman is now not allowed to rescue someone drowning unless he
>has received `specialist training`. This happened the other day and
>while the policeman was being told by his headquarters via his cell
>phone that he should not do anything a bystander went in and pulled
>the drowning guy out. Boy Scouts are not allowed to take penknives
>to camp and are not allowed to light fires. This is not the law,
>merely `guide lines`. The problem is that if an accident occurs the
>first question is`Did you follow the guide lines` You didn`t? Well
>there you are then! You have three strikes against you before the
>case starts, .and the insurance company collects again. The result
>is that teachers will not take schoolkids on outings, no one will be
>a Scoutmaster or a Girl Guide leader. Who loses out?.The kids the
>system was designed to protect.
>What really makes me angry is that it only needs one judge to take a
>stand and a commonsense view and say `Case dismissed and I award
>costs against the complainant` and the whole edifice would collapse
>like a house of cards. Unfortunately there is too much money riding
>on the system whereby everyone in the legal profession briefs, and
>charges, someone else and every lawyer wants eventually to get to
>the top of the pile.
>
>We have just had a case of a weight shift which failed in flight and
>everyone, including the unpaid inspector who signed the machine off
>were going to be sued. The charge of course was `negligence`. Nearly
>everyone in the microlight movement kicked in some money for a
>fighting fund and in the face of expert witnesses flown in from
>around the world the judge decided there was no negligence and
>everyone breathed a sigh of relief because a finding the other way
>would have stopped our entire system in its tracks.
>
>People wonder why we talk of `the good old days`
>
>Cheers
>
>Pat
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Powerglider,
A couple more picts
G.Aman MK-3C over 9000 miles trailering the plane with wings folded with
no damage.
-----Original Message-----
From: powerglider <francesco(at)powerglider.biz>
Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 10:00 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?
great looking planes guys! Nice trailer.
The plane my girlfriend bought has not had its' wings folded in a long tim
e and
we didn't do it when we were there. From the pictures it looks like the wi
ngs
when folded might end up longer than the tail.
So is this the case? Or it the longest part of the plane when wings are fo
lded
still the tail sections? I just don't want to have the previous owner meas
ure
the plane length to within an inch or two only to find out that when the
wings
fold it adds more length to the overall sizing.
Is there a difference in length between the MK3c and MK3X?
For width of the trailer I have 94 and 3/4", height will be 8 feet.
The reason I need to have the most exact length is that right now the trai
ler
bed is 23 feet and 4 inches long, all I have to work with to extend the de
ck and
then enclose it is the triangular front part of the trailer frame that I
would
then need to deck. If I build a little nose "dog house" to extend the leng
th I
currently have it could work but might look pretty ugly, I don't like ugly
.
Maybe make a triangle looking nose area? Light cut down on the wind resist
ance
but framing it out is a bit more work on the roof part.
I appreciate the response, please keep them coming!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269053#269053
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| Subject: | Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Powerglider,
Need the V-nose to have enough room even for the C model.Basic trailer is
a car hauler 24"plus the V nose.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200 495hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: powerglider <francesco(at)powerglider.biz>
Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 10:00 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?
great looking planes guys! Nice trailer.
The plane my girlfriend bought has not had its' wings folded in a long tim
e and
we didn't do it when we were there. From the pictures it looks like the wi
ngs
when folded might end up longer than the tail.
So is this the case? Or it the longest part of the plane when wings are fo
lded
still the tail sections? I just don't want to have the previous owner meas
ure
the plane length to within an inch or two only to find out that when the
wings
fold it adds more length to the overall sizing.
Is there a difference in length between the MK3c and MK3X?
For width of the trailer I have 94 and 3/4", height will be 8 feet.
The reason I need to have the most exact length is that right now the trai
ler
bed is 23 feet and 4 inches long, all I have to work with to extend the de
ck and
then enclose it is the triangular front part of the trailer frame that I
would
then need to deck. If I build a little nose "dog house" to extend the leng
th I
currently have it could work but might look pretty ugly, I don't like ugly
.
Maybe make a triangle looking nose area? Light cut down on the wind resist
ance
but framing it out is a bit more work on the roof part.
I appreciate the response, please keep them coming!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269053#269053
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| Subject: | Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing? |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Powerglider,
You need the V nose to clear even the C model comfortably.This is a car ha
uler with 7' opening and 24' length plus 30" or so added by the V nose.
G.Aman MK3-C
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