Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-jc
December 21, 2009 - January 13, 2010
[quote="John Hauck"]Wow!
Thanks for the info.
Where do I get the numbers to plug into the formula?
Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question, "Will the degausser
damage my electric engine instruments?"
john h - Getting ready to exercise my right to flight, this afternoon.
mkIII
> Yes, as the following formula shows, it will affect your ionization
calibration gauge, especially if placed between, or right next to the photon
mass emitter;
>
> From the basic k-space formula, it follows immediately that we reconstruct an image simply by taking the inverse Fourier transform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_Fourier_transform) of the sampled data, viz.
>
> Mike Welch
> [b]
Yeah, right - what he said...
I hadn't thought of that John, but I bet it would. Especially the compass. Which
means that you might be facing a fair amount of hassle to demagnetize the front
end of the airplane. [Crying or Very sad]
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278480#278480
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
>Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question=2C "Will the >
degausser damage my electric engine instruments?"
>john h - Getting ready to exercise my right to flight=2C this afternoon.
>mkIII
Okay=2C okay=2C I'll be serious.
Electric temperature instruments are designed to reflect the difference i
n resistance and current=2C i.e. the electrical current generated by two di
ssimilar metals when exposed to temperature. The sending units are "thermi
sters"...temperature dependant resisters". The higher the temperature the
lower the resistance=2C (due to the electrical current flowing between to d
issimilar metals)
The gauge simply displays the present resistance=2C but it does so on a s
cale that is calibrated in temperature degrees.
It is very doubtful a demagnetizer can have any effect on electrical engi
ne gauges=2C unless the demagnetizer is on=2C and momentarily passing near
an instrument=2C affecting it's electrical activity....but the gauge would
not experience any after effects.
IMHO.
Mike Welch
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
Bro. Richard=2C
I was kidding=2C of course=2C about the ionization=2C etc.=2Cetc.....
But=2C John's question was about engine instruments. I don't think a dem
agnetizer will hurt or affect them.
However=2C I wasn't referring to "any" electrical instruments (or a compa
ss). It may very likely effect these things....only a true labratory test
would tell.
As usual=2C the safe thing to always recommend is=3B check with the manuf
acturer!! They're the people that would know what is safe for their instru
ment to get next to=2C or not.
Mike Welch
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | 503 FireStar 2 cold cht fixed |
| From: | "slowaero" <npd(at)maui.net> |
Thank you all for your comments and observations on 503 running temperatures.
Since first running the 503 on FireStar 2 cht has been too cold. The result has
been too fast build up of carbon in rings, piston, and head.
The problem has been solved by installing a fairing in front of the fan intake.
Warm holiday wishes to all,
Dave
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278490#278490
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0964_248.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0963_712.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
an old fashioned magnetic tachometer might be compromised.
BB
On 21, Dec 2009, at 3:05 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> >Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question, "Will
the >degausser damage my electric engine instruments?"
>
> >john h - Getting ready to exercise my right to flight, this
afternoon.
> >mkIII
>
> Okay, okay, I'll be serious.
>
> Electric temperature instruments are designed to reflect the
difference in resistance and current, i.e. the electrical current
generated by two dissimilar metals when exposed to temperature. The
sending units are "thermisters"...temperature dependant resisters". The
higher the temperature the lower the resistance, (due to the electrical
current flowing between to dissimilar metals)
> The gauge simply displays the present resistance, but it does so on
a scale that is calibrated in temperature degrees.
>
> It is very doubtful a demagnetizer can have any effect on electrical
engine gauges, unless the demagnetizer is on, and momentarily passing
near an instrument, affecting it's electrical activity....but the gauge
would not experience any after effects.
>
> IMHO.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful
SPAtarget='_new'>Sign up now.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Longo" <tclongo(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
John/Gang: When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I would
put it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other
instruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, did not think
it was a good idea to leave the compass in since it works on magnetic field,
also after I was done when I held compass inside where it mounted it now
read correctly so it was a good before and after test. Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
cheapest one cost around $30.00.
>
> Rick Lewis
Rick L/Gang:
As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power
Video/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw=Audio
If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it will
damage engine instruments? Anybody know?
john h
mkIII
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
19:13:00
--
We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam.
The Professional version does not have this message
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
Tom
I wouldn't be so sure about it not affecting a Tach I had to replace that
one because it was not reading correctly It might not have been affected
by the degaussed you did to it, it may have been an inferior Tach I woul
d rather believe
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Longo <tclongo(at)att.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
John/Gang: When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I wou
ld
ut it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other
nstruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, did not think
t was a good idea to leave the compass in since it works on magnetic field
,
lso after I was done when I held compass inside where it mounted it now
ead correctly so it was a good before and after test. Tom
-----Original Message-----
rom: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck
ent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:24 AM
o: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
ubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
cheapest one cost around $30.00.
Rick Lewis
ick L/Gang:
As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power
ideo/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw
=Audio
If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it wil
l
amage engine instruments? Anybody know?
john h
kIII
hecked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
9:13:00
-
e are a community of 6 million users fighting spam.
The Professional version does not have this message
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I would
> put it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other
> instruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them,
Tom
Thanks, Tom/Gang:
That is the info I was looking for, someone that had actually degaussed
their fuselage and instrument panel, and the results they obtained with
electric engine instruments installed.
My mag compass has always been about 90 degrees off, but changes in size of
error as the aircraft is rotated around its axis.
I've flown the mkIII with an inop mag compass for nearly 3000 hours. Would
be nice to be able to use it to maintain my heading on long cross country
flights, rather than contantly looking down at my thigh to read the GPS. If
I am lucky, I can pick out a terrain feature, water tank, tower, barn, etc.,
and stay on course that way.
I'm getting antsy to take a trip in my little bird.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
A degaussing coil can kill engine instruments that incorporate DArsonval meter
movements (most do) as this mechanism depends on an internal magnet which you
really would not want to de-magnetize. Digital meters? I dunno.
The DArsonval movement is a DC moving coil-type movement in which an electromagnetic
core is suspended between the poles of a permanent magnet.
--------
Jerry King
Deer Park, NY
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278521#278521
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
A tachometer is usually using an aluminum disc, activated by "Eddie
Currents", induced by rotating magnets. Sooo, degaussing that thing, could of
course ruin the accuracy.
Herb Graff
Mark III N246KT
In a message dated 12/21/2009 6:45:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
elleryweld(at)aol.com writes:
Tom
I wouldn't be so sure about it not affecting a Tach I had to replace that
one because it was not reading correctly It might not have been affected by
the degaussed you did to it, it may have been an inferior Tach I would
rather believe
Ellery in Maine
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Longo" <tclongo(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
Hi Ellery, That 2" tach always read too high the whole time I owned the MK
III that is why I put the tiny tach in there. I did not degauss the cage
until the last 15 hrs or so I put on plane because I kept trying different
compasses only to get the same result, even borrowed one that was fine in
another plane and it was off too, that is when I degaussed the cage and it
read correctly. How many hours do you have on it now? Probably too cold to
fly now. Tom in warm Florida
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder
Jr
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
Tom
I wouldn't be so sure about it not affecting a Tach I had to replace that
one because it was not reading correctly It might not have been affected by
the degaussed you did to it, it may have been an inferior Tach I would
rather believe
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Longo <tclongo(at)att.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
John/Gang: When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I would
put it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other
instruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, did not think
it was a good idea to leave the compass in since it works on magnetic field,
also after I was done when I held compass inside where it mounted it now
read correctly so it was a good before and after test. Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[ mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On
Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
>
cheapest one cost around $30.00.
>
> Rick Lewis
Rick L/Gang:
As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power
Video/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw=Audio
<http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw=Audio>
If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it will
damage engine instruments? Anybody know?
john h
mkIII
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
19:13:00
--
We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam.
The Professional version does not have this message
<http://www.buildersbooks.com>
<http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed |
Clare Waters ,would fit , you Americans probably would find another way to
spell it . Any way good luck and congratulations. Our young people are our
future .
Downunder
MK111c
----- Original Message -----
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:52 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Was Kolb Mark II for sale - Names Suggestions Needed
>
>
>
> ulflyer(at)verizon.net wrote:
>> Congratulations Cristal.
>>
>> Ok folks,
>>
>> We need some names here. Not sure if it's a boy or a girl. Must be
>> aviation orientated. Can't be like Stick, Aileron, or Rudder, those
>> are already taken by our dogs. More like Blue Sky, etc. Just might
>> be fun to see what we can come up with while trying to stay warm over
>> the Christmas, New year holidays. If nothing else we might use them
>> for naming our airplanes.
>> jerb
>
>
> Funny jerb! Most everyone is of the opinion I am going to have a girl,
> but they could be biased since I already have a boy.
>
> We already have two Misty Waters in the family, so that name is out.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Kolb Mark II Twinstar
> Rotax 503 DCSI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278416#278416
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
| From: | "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)hughes.net> |
Thanks Jack for the info. Next time I'm visiting the Kolb Factory I will see if
I can get there welder, Dennis, to rotate his fixture, welding unit, and himself
violently while making our cages. This would have to be video-ed of course
for U-Tube. [Laughing] He's a pretty good old boy and would do most
anything for us but this may be asking to much. You just don't really know though
until you ask.
Rick Lewis
WHAT ABOUT IT DENNIS???????????
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278607#278607
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
Tom
the tach was reading to low compared to the tiny tach so I replaced it
with a better quality tach
I have logged 137hrs since I got it home I am in process of installing 2
ten gallon Fuel tanks, 4 point harnesses, building a new bigger panel, an
d I have to rewire everything to get it where I want it, installing a inf
light trim system ,changing the horizontal stabilizer position, installin
g nav & wing tip strobes installing a heater System, inclosing the bac
k and working on my skis as well I will be making a ceiling fan out of th
at warp drive 3 blade for my shop, I willl be flying comfortable in Main
e Winter soon no matter how cold it will be I got some ice fishing trips
planned way up north in the wilderness where I will need most of my mods
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Longo <tclongo(at)att.net>
Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 12:30 am
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
Hi Ellery, That 2=9D tach always read too high the whole time I owne
d the MK III that is why I put the tiny tach in there. I did not degauss
the cage until the last 15 hrs or so I put on plane because I kept trying
different compasses only to get the same result, even borrowed one that
was fine in another plane and it was off too, that is when I degaussed th
e cage and it read correctly. How many hours do you have on it now? Probab
ly too cold to fly now. Tom in warm Florida
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder Jr
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
Tom
I wouldn't be so sure about it not affecting a Tach I had to replace that
one because it was not reading correctly It might not have been affected
by the degaussed you did to it, it may have been an inferior Tach I woul
d rather believe
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Longo <tclongo(at)att.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
John/Gang: When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out because I wou
ld
put it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other
instruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, did not think
it was a good idea to leave the compass in since it works on magnetic fiel
d,
also after I was done when I held compass inside where it mounted it now
read correctly so it was a good before and after test. Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
cheapest one cost around $30.00.
>
> Rick Lewis
Rick L/Gang:
As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power
Video/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw
=Audio
If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII. Wonder if it wil
l
damage engine instruments? Anybody know?
john h
mkIII
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
19:13:00
--
We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam.
The Professional version does not have this message
-- Please Support Your Lists This Month --
-- Please Support Your Lists This Month --
(And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)
November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on
November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on
the Contribution link below to find out more about
this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided
by:
* AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com
* The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com
* HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com
* HowToCrimp www.howtocrimp.com
List Contribution Web Site:
List Contribution Web Site:
--> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your generous support!
Thank you for your generous support!
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
- The Kolb-List Email Forum -
- The Kolb-List Email Forum -
--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
--> http://forums.matronics.com
--> http://forums.matronics.com
========================
===========
-
-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month --
-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)
-
-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on
-= the Contribution link below to find out more about
-= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided
-= by:
-= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com
-= * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com
-= * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com
-= * HowToCrimp www.howtocrimp.com
-
-= List Contribution Web Site:
-
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-
-= Thank you for your generous support!
-
-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
-
-========================
========================
===========
-= - The Kolb-List Email Forum -
-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,
-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
-= Photoshare, and much much more:
-
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
-
-========================
========================
===========
-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!
-
-= --> http://forums.matronics.com
-
-========================
========================
===========
========================
===========
-
-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month --
-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)
-
-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on
-= the Contribution link below to find out more about
-= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided
-= by:
-= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com
-= * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com
-= * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com
-= * HowToCrimp www.howtocrimp.com
-
-= List Contribution Web Site:
-
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-
-= Thank you for your generous support!
-
-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
-
-========================
========================
===========
-= - The Kolb-List Email Forum -
-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,
-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
-= Photoshare, and much much more:
-
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
-
-========================
========================
===========
-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!
-
-= --> http://forums.matronics.com
-
-========================
========================
===========
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Has anybody used (or seen) a seat tank in an UltraStar?
Currently I have three tanks: the two original 1.75 gallon tanks in front
of the seat, and a 1.5 gallon tank behind the seat. I want to replace all
of these with a single tank, and use the space currently occupied by the
original tanks for storage of small items.
I originally looked at a single tank above the engine and gravity feed
(with the added benefit of eliminating the fuel pump), but there's really
not enough room there. I next looked at the space behind the seat, but
that's pretty limited as well for any off the shelf tanks (I have a plastic
tank a friend gave me, and it's 1/2" too wide to fit... grrrrr). The only
options remaining are a custom tank (too much cost or work) or a molded
seat tank like these:
http://www.calumetair.com/tanks.php
-Dana
--
CanYouFixTheSpaceBarOnMyKeyboard?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Dana- A seat tank showed up on E-Bay a few months ago.- I seem to rem
ember that the ad said it was from Aircraft Spruce, and it gave a part numb
er.- I just tried to look it up in both the book and on line, and no luck
.- You might try calling them in the morning- maybe it is not a catalogue
d item.- Good luck.
-
-------------------------
------------------- Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
------------------- Windsor Locks, Ct
.
-------------------------
------------------- FS 447
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Longo" <tclongo(at)att.net> |
Ellery
Sounds like well thought out improvements, send me some pictures when
you get done. Tell Wayne from Maine I said hello, have a Merry
Christmas.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ellery
Batchelder Jr
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 7:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Winter mods
Tom
the tach was reading to low compared to the tiny tach so I replaced it
with a better quality tach
I have logged 137hrs since I got it home I am in process of installing
2 ten gallon Fuel tanks, 4 point harnesses, building a new bigger panel,
and I have to rewire everything to get it where I want it, installing a
inflight trim system ,changing the horizontal stabilizer position,
installing nav & wing tip strobes installing a heater System,
inclosing the back and working on my skis as well I will be making a
ceiling fan out of that warp drive 3 blade for my shop, I willl be
flying comfortable in Maine Winter soon no matter how cold it will be I
got some ice fishing trips planned way up north in the wilderness where
I will need most of my mods
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Longo <tclongo(at)att.net>
Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 12:30 am
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
Hi Ellery, That 2=9D tach always read too high the whole time I
owned the MK III that is why I put the tiny tach in there. I did not
degauss the cage until the last 15 hrs or so I put on plane because I
kept trying different compasses only to get the same result, even
borrowed one that was fine in another plane and it was off too, that is
when I degaussed the cage and it read correctly. How many hours do you
have on it now? Probably too cold to fly now. Tom in warm Florida
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[
mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
]On Behalf Of Ellery
Batchelder Jr
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
Tom
I wouldn't be so sure about it not affecting a Tach I had to replace
that one because it was not reading correctly It might not have been
affected by the degaussed you did to it, it may have been an inferior
Tach I would rather believe
Ellery in Maine
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Longo < tclongo(at)att.net <mailto:tclongo(at)att.net> >
Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
John/Gang:=C2- When I degaussed my MK III I had the compass out
because I would
put it in the dash area and it would be of by 90 deg but all my other
instruments were in the dash. It did not affect any of them, did not
think
it was a good idea to leave the compass in since it works on magnetic
field,
also after I was done when I held compass inside where it mounted it now
read correctly so it was a good before and after test. Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[ mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On
Behalf Of John
Hauck
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Card Compass Question
>
cheapest one cost around $30.00.
>
> Rick Lewis
Rick L/Gang:
As Richard Pike suggested, Ebay has a couple dozen Realistic High Power
Video/Tape Erasers, for 10.00 or less.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw=
Audio
<http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_kw=Realistic&_kw=Tape&_kw=Eraser&_ckw
=Audio>
If it works for you, I will probably try it on my mkIII.=C2- Wonder if
it will
damage engine instruments?=C2- Anybody know?
john h
mkIII
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
19:13:00
--
We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam.
The Professional version does not have this message
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- -- Please Support Your Lists This
Month --
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- (And Get
Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)
=C2-=C2- November is the Annual List Fund Raiser.=C2- Click on
=C2-=C2- the Contribution link below to find out more about
=C2-=C2- this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided
=C2-=C2- by:
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com
<http://www.aeroelectric.com/>
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- * The Builder's Bookstore
www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com/>
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com
<http://www.homebuilthelp.com/>
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- * HowToCrimp www.howtocrimp.com
<http://www.howtocrimp.com/>
=C2-=C2- List Contribution Web Site:
=C2-=C2- --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
=C2-=C2- Thank you for your generous support!
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- - The Kolb-List
Email Forum -
=C2-=C2- --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2- - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
=C2-=C2- --> http://forums.matronics.com
<http://forums.matronics.com/>
=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com
m/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com
=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com
ank>www.howtocrimp.com
_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
This Month --
Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)
on
<http://www.aeroelectric.com>
www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com>
<http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
<http://www.howtocrimp.com>
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
Kolb-List Email Forum -
-=C2-=C2- - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | flight simulator question |
| From: | Duane Ransdell <radiobluebook(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Folks,
Anyone here have a flight simulator for a Kolb MKII or MKIII? I hear that
there is one that plugs into the Microsoft program, but don't know where to
get it. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Duane
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Card Compass Question |
Very similar to your aluminium ones>>
Very good Russ. LOL
i used to know a skipper who had a place to put his beer right next to
the compass. He said that he had swung the compass with the beer in
place so the deviation was known and built in.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 09:29 PM 12/22/2009, william sullivan wrote:
> Dana- A seat tank showed up on E-Bay a few months ago. I seem to
> remember that the ad said it was from Aircraft Spruce, and it gave a part
> number. I just tried to look it up in both the book and on line, and no
> luck. You might try calling them in the morning- maybe it is not a
> catalogued item.
I know, I should have grabbed it then, but I was still looking at other
options. I'm pretty sure it was the same as the one I posted the link to.
-Dana
--
Newton's Seventeenth Law of American Life:
For every action, there is an unequal and moronic overreaction.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Names!. Dont do it Crystal.! |
How about Cold Waters, Rusty Waters, Muddy Waters, Sandy Waters,Falling
Waters, Boiling Waters?>>
Enough already!
Crystal, think I beg you before you inexorably warp the entire life of your
poor unborn child.
I read lately that research has shown that names influence many things.
Career for instance. From the `allitirative affect` there are more dentists
named `Dennis` and more lawyers called `Laura` than statistically there
should be and likewise more shops selling sea shells are owned by Sheryls
and Cheryls.
There are more women named Georgia, in Georgia and more men named Louis in
Louisiana..
Those with initials at the beginning of the alphabet are more likely to work
in prestigious university departments or ne Nobel winners.
Unusual spelling such as `Ashlee` instead of `Ashley` should be avoided.
Children who have common names that are traditionally spelt learn `spelling
and grammar` faster. The name is one of the first words we learn and if
teachers etc. constantly have to ask if they are spelling the name correctly
it causes loss of confidence in spelling ability.
A third of teachers claimed that they could spot trouble in names like
Callum or Chardonnay or Crystal.
A study in 1960 found that those with unusual names were more likely to be
diagnosed as psychotic and boys with the least popular names are more likely
to commit crime.
Remember the poor girl who was named `Talula does the Hula from Hawaii`.
She has now changed it by deed poll.
I remember hearing a mother during the war calling to her child `Come here,
Bardia`. Bardia was a town at which there was a battle in the North African
Campaign and the name was topical then and maybe had family connection.
Even as a kid I pitied that poor child going through life explaining why she
was called `Bardia`
One last thing. People with surnames at the end of the alphabet are less
likely to be succesful than those with surnames at the beginning.
I would rate `Crystal` as an oddish name.( nice but oddish) so that
combined with your surnames position in the alphabet, you should ,
statistically and from the career point of view be dead in the Water(s)
Cheers and a Merry Christmas
Pat (who reads too much rubbish)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Dana- I typed into web search "ultralight aircraft seat tanks", and cam
e up with this:
-
www.quicksilverultralight.com/other/fuel_tanks.htm#6gallon
-
P.N. AC#397
-
price- $450 (!!!!!!!)
-
- See if this is what we were looking at.- Maybe you can find it at a (
much) better price.
-
-------------------------
-------------------------
------ Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
-------------------------
------ Windsor Locks, Ct.
-------------------------
-------------------------
------ FS 447
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Dana- Also Calumetair.com
-
7.4 gallons, $259
-------------------------
---------------------- Bill Sul
livan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 09:34 AM 12/23/2009, william sullivan wrote:
> Dana- Also Calumetair.com
>
>7.4 gallons, $259
Bill, the Calumet is the one I'm looking at, and which I posted in the
first message. The Quicksilver tank is way too expensive.
-Dana
--
Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Frapper ( gone ) |
| From: | "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Guys,
Is "Earl Zimmerman" still around ?
He's the one who set up the map with all the Kolbs on it....
There are quite a few...
http://www.frappr.com/kolbaircraft
It's gonna be lost soon...
.
.
Hey I think I saw his plane switched over to Floats...
.
.
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
.
.
.
--------
.
.
.
.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278750#278750
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Merry Christmas all !
Here are a couple of new videos if you have nothing else to watch !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBPBgiXT3hk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfyKjEvqTC4
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 89.0 hrs
N327CS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278756#278756
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Kolb fly'in back in '94 |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15(at)juno.com> |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG7uLf6RNlE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPI3_E6vSX8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHLim1FWkK0
Enjoy ....
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
970 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
110 hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278791#278791
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb fly'in back in '94 |
| From: | "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
That's Toooo cold for me to Fly in my Kolb....
My cockpit isn't closed up yet...
.
.
I have a Picture of that Field that you were flying in July...
Now there's some flying weather...
.
.
Gotta Fly...
.
.
--------
.
.
.
.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278797#278797
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/jaz__mutt_muffs_006_156.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/northern_lights_airpark_01_148.bmp
http://forums.matronics.com//files/northern_lights_airpark_148.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: new videos !! |
Chris,
Watched your lake videos and some of your previous postings. Good job.
Keep them coming.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 12/23/2009 10:37:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ces308(at)ldaco.com writes:
Here are a couple of new videos if you have nothing else to watch !
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb fly'in back in '94 |
Ralph,
Yes, I did ENJOY your video postings, even tho they are from 1994, 15 years
ago. Thanks.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 12/24/2009 10:21:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ul15(at)juno.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph B"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG7uLf6RNlE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPI3_E6vSX8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHLim1FWkK0
Enjoy ....
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
970 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
110 hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278791#278791
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb fly'in back in '94 |
Wow!
That is one nice field. Won't matter much which way the wind is blowing.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 12/24/2009 11:46:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy"
That's Toooo cold for me to Fly in my Kolb....
My cockpit isn't closed up yet...
.
.
I have a Picture of that Field that you were flying in July...
Now there's some flying weather...
.
.
Gotta Fly...
.
.
--------
.
.
.
.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278797#278797
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/jaz__mutt_muffs_006_156.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/northern_lights_airpark_01_148.bmp
http://forums.matronics.com//files/northern_lights_airpark_148.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb fly'in back in '94 |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, Ralph, for the unexpected Christmas gift.
I enjoyed them BECAUSE they are from 15 years ago... back when keeping it light
was a higher priority that it seems to be today.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I don't have to.
- Albert Einstein
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=278851#278851
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chas Knightsbridge <cknightsbridge(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | How are you doing? 5 |
Z
My friend:
I have a wonderful electronics shopping experience on www.eoffar.com
I have already bought a lot of goods from it
Currently the company is under sales promotion
MSN: eoffarservice(at)hotmail.com
Email: eoffarservice(at)188.comB
_________________________________________________________________
Looking for a great date? Meet singles at ninemsn dating
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: How are you doing? 5 |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Chas, Same message I sent on the Rotax list. Take your spam and stick it.
Rick
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Chas Knightsbridge <
cknightsbridge(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Z
> My friend:
> I have a wonderful electronics shopping experience on www.eoffar.com
> I have already bought a lot of goods from it
> Currently the company is under sales promotion
> MSN: eoffarservice(at)hotmail.com
> Email: eoffarservice(at)188.com
> B
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chas Knightsbridge <cknightsbridge(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | FW: RotaxEngines-List: How are you doing? Z |
Hey Rick=2C
I might say the same to your polite comment!
Regrettably this is spam that has been generated without my knowledge or pa
rticipation.
To all others on the group my apologies=2C have a great day and a Prosperou
s New Year
Chas
I use AVG professional as my internet spam protector!
Date: Fri=2C 25 Dec 2009 15:54:11 -0600
Subject: Re: RotaxEngines-List: How are you doing? Z
From: aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com
Hey Chas=2C take your spam and stick it.
Rick
On Fri=2C Dec 25=2C 2009 at 1:20 PM=2C Chas Knightsbridge wrote:
p
My friend:
I have a wonderful electronics shopping experience on www.eoffar.com
I have already bought a lot of goods from it
Currently the company is under sales promotion
MSN: eoffarservice(at)hotmail.com
Email: eoffarservice(at)188.come
Check out the latest features today Get more out of Hotmail
_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
nk">www.howtocrimp.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RotaxEngines-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
Check out Domain Radar NOW! A world FIRST in property search has arrived!
_________________________________________________________________
Get more out of Hotmail Check out the latest features today
http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/hotmail/article/878466/your-hotmail-is-ab
out-to-get-even-better
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | winter flight suit |
If anyone is interested, I have a almost brand new helo flight suit. Very,
very warm. I used it for a very short time in a Cobra (almost a
quicksilver). I stand about 5'7" and it fit perfectly until I got heavier.
Still that tall but not 170 lbs any more. It is a 40R for whatever that
maters in military terms. Will let it go for a hundred bucks. That is a
bargin. It is a whole lot more comfortable and classy than a snow mobile
sit and a whole lot warmer. Let me know and I will send more pics or pics
if these dont get through. Ted Cowan, Slingshot, 912 ul.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | FWD Battery Location |
Does anyone have a good drawing or photos of a fwd battery instillation on a
Kolb mark III Classic?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | FWD Battery Location |
Does anyone have a good drawing or photos of a fwd battery instillation on a
Kolb mark III Classic?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | FWD Battery Location |
>Does anyone have a good drawing or photos of a fwd battery instillation on
a Kolb mark III Classic?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
When I first built my mkIII I put the battery forward of the rudder pedals
in order to get the cg closer to the center,,,,, found out that it flies
better at the aft edge of the cg range. And when I had 2 people on board
and the forward cg battery location I would run out of elevator authority.
So I moved the battery to just behind the passenger seat. If I were a
light weight pilot, I would build a small compartment in the floor to put
in a 10 lb bag of shot when flying solo, and take it out if I had a
passenger on board.
Just my $0.02 worth.
Boyd Young
Mkiii 912 ul
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location |
I'd never add weight to the nose of a mkIII unless I weighed 75 lbs and
flew solo all the time.
The weight and balance for a mkIII is not exactly exact.....
I'm flying with a 12 lb Maule Tundra Tail Wheel, 150 lbs of fuel in a 25
gal tank behind the cg, plus 125 lbs of personal gear behind cg in the
cargo bay. I have aft cg, but it is still within the acceptable, safe
flying range.
john h
mkIII
When I first built my mkIII I put the battery forward of the rudder
pedals in order to get the cg closer to the center,,,,, found out
that it flies better at the aft edge of the cg range. And when I had 2
people on board and the forward cg battery location I would run out of
elevator authority. So I moved the battery to just behind the
passenger seat. If I were a light weight pilot, I would build a small
compartment in the floor to put in a 10 lb bag of shot when flying
solo, and take it out if I had a passenger on board.
Just my $0.02 worth.
Boyd Young
Mkiii 912 ul
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
You guys putting ballast in is why I added the ability to micro-adjust the flaps.
By raising or lowering the flaps a very minute amount, you can easily compensate
for trim changes that fall outside the factory spring loading arrangement.
Here's the link to the pictures, and obviously I radically changed my flap mechanism,
but I was also using this same method of setting the flaps before I totally
redid the cross tube.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg3.htm
Skip the first two pictures on the page and the associated info, that is only for
those who want to relocate the whole arrangement. Notice on the next four pictures
that I ground off the original side notches and bolted on a curved piece
with holes in it for the pin to lock into. You can put the holes where ever
you want, and as many or as few as you want.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279048#279048
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location |
-just to be different....
My battery is in front of the rudder pedals and I like it just fine. If
you want a pic I would have to dig up a photo CD.
BB
faked out with a nice day yesterday but woke back up to (white) reality
this morning.
On 28, Dec 2009, at 10:53 AM, Steve Simmons wrote:
> Does anyone have a good drawing or photos of a fwd battery
instillation on a Kolb mark III Classic?
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Fwed battery location |
I have attached a .xls file for the weight and balance for my Kolb Mark III,
if I put the battery in the aft location it go's so fare aft I don't think I
would like to fly it. The problem comes in because of the weight of my
Verner 1400 engine.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi,
regarding the de gaussing posts of the last couple of weeks.
By coincidence, over Christmas, I was reading a book by a pilot in our
Fleet Air Arm.
Having finished off the war in Europe the Royal Navy were sent to help
the Americans wrap up the Pacific. Consequently Victorious, Formidable,
Indomitable, Indefatigable, and Illustrious, all carriers, joined the
Pacific Fleet and were to carry out a solo operation against Truk.
This pilot was just ducking under the wing of an aircraft as it was
capulted off when its wooden prop hit the deck, split into pieces and
one took nearly all of one leg off.
Two years later, in 1947 he was still an outpatient at hospital and had
been fitted with an iron caliper.In `48 he was learning to fly again in
an Airspeed Oxford, a twin engined trainer, the only plane he could get
into with his game leg.
To fly he cocked his right leg, with caliper, up on the instrument panel
and operated the rudder pedals with his left foot. After getting lost on
a couple of simple cross country flights it dawned on him the the
caliper was upsetting the compass.
Quote. " While I lay on a bed the caliper was taken away and put in a
magnetic field. After it had been de-gaussed, all was well and I had no
further trouble"
A gutsy guy In the Service from the outbreak of war. Involved in
Dunkirk, battle of the Med. Taranto raid, Greek campaign, Malta. crashed
on a top secret mission trying to land a couple of spies in North
Africa. Due to faulty intel. he landed on a salt pan and went through
the crust. P o W of the Vichy French (who were supposed to be
neutral)but the prisoners were treated terribly with little food or
water, thousands of PoW`a together in a camp designed for a couple of
hundred in the middle of the Sahara.
Ended as Commander with DSO, DSC.
Very good read if anyone is interested.
Cheers and Happy New Year to all as I am closing down until Jan 5th 2010
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location |
vinyl bag that would hold a 40 lb bag of play sand>>
Jeepers!
If you really need that much ballast i would suspect that something is
seriously out of kilter. I have the battery just behind the passenger
seat and about 4lbs of lead in the nose. Lateral inbalance caused by
flying without a passenger is taken care of by the Hauk bungee design.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
Hey Craig you got fancier stuff in your Kolb than I have in my Sierra, (the new
GPS 696 is a loaner). LOL.
Ron @ Sierra Vista.
===========================
---- "Nelson wrote:
============
<> Uncle Craig/Gang:
Get that MKIII put back together and flying. MV will be here before you
know it, 5 months on my Alabama calendar.
John
Good to hear from you
Its going together John... I've messed around 4 8 years and it is time
to fly. I know I don't need an artificial horizon in Arizona or any
where I would fly ..but it just looked aircrafty. Had to have it. My
exhaust is the titan one you had before. mine has a different muffler.
Ya I did have trouble with it... it was welded up by a motor cycle guy
rather than the welder that did my tank, he was too busy to weld the
muffler and I should have waited for him... the welds the motor cycle
guy did not penetrate and he ground most of what was, off... the back
of the muffler and exhaust tube went through the prop slamming it into
the flap. ... I wonder if the new titan one would fit under my cowl...I
admire Rick for his project those things get a guy going... I had fun
doing all the stuff I did to my plane, the reason I did it was because I
can..... Not really to improve the design....I did it because I like
the way it looks. The kolb design to me is the spirit of true flight.
Great visibility!!!closest thing to a helicopter without the maintenance
or disk, slow enough to have fun, fast enough to go across the country
and almost vertical takeoff and landing...but john I have to tell ya,
you and lots of other guys are doing it...FLYING AND ENJOYING Your Kolbs
.....it's time to stop the tinkering and fly!! I like your KISS rule I
could have been flying...let's see what we can do at MV... I'll race you
for breakfast....if I don't fly to MV this year I'm not going
Uncle craig
15 hrs flying
2,000,000 hrs fussing, tinkering and building--enough is enough
--
kugelair.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location |
I have my battery installed in the nose of my MKIIIC. My VW required by
the numbers that the battery be moved. My battery is a light 12AH lawn
mower battery.
When I installed my first redrive VW engine it was mounted so high that
I had seven inches of clearance between the 72 inch prop and the boom
tube. My first 150 lb. passenger required me to hold full up elevator to
climb with power (not good). For a while I added a steel weight to the
tail wheel strut. Later on a cross country I found that the aft CG
caused by the tail weight caused the plane to be almost uncontrollable
in heavy turbulence. Removing the weight made a significant improvement.
I have since lowered the engine but haven't flown with more than a 160
lb. passenger yet.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: pj.ladd
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FWD Battery Location
vinyl bag that would hold a 40 lb bag of play sand>>
Jeepers!
If you really need that much ballast i would suspect that something is
seriously out of kilter. I have the battery just behind the passenger
seat and about 4lbs of lead in the nose. Lateral inbalance caused by
flying without a passenger is taken care of by the Hauk bungee design.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Fwed battery location |
I have attached a .xls file for the weight and balance for my Kolb Mark III,
if I put the battery in the aft location it go's so fare aft I don't think I
would like to fly it. The problem comes in because of the weight of my
Verner 1400 engine.
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Simmons
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:11 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fwed battery location
I have attached a .xls file for the weight and balance for my Kolb Mark III,
if I put the battery in the aft location it go's so fare aft I don't think I
would like to fly it. The problem comes in because of the weight of my
Verner 1400 engine.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Fwed battery location |
I have attached a .xls file for the weight and balance for my Kolb Mark III,
if I put the battery in the aft location it go's so fare aft I don't think I
would like to fly it. The problem comes in because of the weight of my
Verner 1400 engine.
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Simmons
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:11 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fwed battery location
I have attached a .xls file for the weight and balance for my Kolb Mark III,
if I put the battery in the aft location it go's so fare aft I don't think I
would like to fly it. The problem comes in because of the weight of my
Verner 1400 engine.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwed battery location |
we have the message steve.
On 29, Dec 2009, at 5:06 PM, Steve Simmons wrote:
> I have attached a .xls file for the weight and balance for my Kolb
Mark III, if I put the battery in the aft location it go's so fare aft I
don't think I would like to fly it. The problem comes in because of the
weight of my Verner 1400 engine.
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Simmons
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:11 AM
> To: Kolb List
> Subject: Kolb-List: Fwed battery location
>
> I have attached a .xls file for the weight and balance for my Kolb
Mark III, if I put the battery in the aft location it go=92s so fare aft
I don=92t think I would like to fly it. The problem comes in because of
the weight of my Verner 1400 engine.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
I remember reading a book about Douglas Bader (Dogs Body) when I was back in middle
school. Wasn't him, by any chance? (Been too long, forgot the details)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldpoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279184#279184
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
No ,Ii don't think so , Douglas Bader lost both legs in a flying incident
doing something he had been told not to in a bulldog I think . He over come
that and carried on to fly spitfires and hurricanes, he was POW and
continued to be a PITA for his captors , ended up in colditz. As fare as I
know he never served on a carrier or in the Pacific conflict Sorry some may
not see this as kolb related but these are the aviators that gave us all the
inspiration to test flight
Downonder
Kolb MK111c
Regards to all
Have a happy and prosperous new year and may the weather
gods be kind to you all
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: de gaussing
>
> I remember reading a book about Douglas Bader (Dogs Body) when I was back
> in middle school. Wasn't him, by any chance? (Been too long, forgot the
> details)
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldpoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279184#279184
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
YUP. If you try to compensate for a high thrust line (nose down-force) with added
tail weight, you can quickly get into big trouble. When doing modifications,
skipping W & B is not an option.
What was that old saying about tuning 2-cycle racing engines? That they sound
best right before they blow up? Yes, the plane flies better with aft CG but going
too far brings on stability and stall recovery problems. Dont exceed the
aft CG limit.
--------
Jerry King
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279214#279214
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when it
> comes to operating an engine. If you want to impress the Kolb List with
> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years.
>
> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express
> it so we can understand it.
>
> john h
> mkIII
All,
I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and
good folks to ignore it.
John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest being
adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the comments
anymore on the list.
Plus, to make this Kolb related, I'm still kicking the idea of a Firefly around
as a second plane. But it appears Rotax has quit making the 447, even tho the
distributors are still listing them Rotax themselves don't post it as an engine
they sell anymore.
Anyone know the scoop on this?
Thanks,
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279227#279227
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 447 problem/stopping production.. |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
> I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information her
e and good folks to ignore it.
> Lucien
Lucien=2C
Glad to see you're back. Now=2C don't piss me off. hehehe : )
Happy New Year!!!!
BTW=2C can't help much with your 447 question. I'm one of the non-Rotax
heretics.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
_________________________________________________________________
Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Happy New Year -
You too Dennis. i don`t know how deep you went in but this guy threw a
bicycle from where it was lashed to the interplane struts and in sank
beneath the surface.
I know you are just begging to know what a plane was doing with the
bike tied on the wing.
The plane was a Swordfish, a radial engined torpedo bomber with a top
speed of about 90. A biplane with a crew of 3, in 2 open cockpits. The
mission was to insert an Arab sheik and a Frenchman into North Africa as
spies. The bike was for their use. Both of them turned up at the PoW
camp some months later.
The Swordfish was affectionately known as the `Stringbag`. Accent on the
first syllable NOT String Bag`.
The book is `To war in a Stringbag` by Charles Lamb. A fascinating
insight into a very different sort of war than we have now.
Note that the top speed was about that of a flat out, balls to the wall,
Kolb Mk3. Hows that for a Kolb connection?
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Douglas Bader (Dogs Body)>
Hi Richard,
no it wasn`t.
Bader was RAF and started the war with no legs. Also I don`t thinkthere is
enough room to put your feet up on the instrument panel in a Spitfire. Bader
was shot down by ground fire attacking ground targets in France. He was a
PoW in `Colditz`. I am surprised that the German visitors do not know
anything about the castles use as a high security camp. Perhaps Americans
don`t either. Anyone interested contact me off list.
The guy in my story was Navy and flew an obsolete torpedo bomber called the
Swordfish. He was wounded after VE day.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Lucien, like a moth returning to the flame? :)
Jack Hart is your source for FF opinions. -at least I would consider him so.
Also, like him, I don't think the FF really needs all the power that the 447 has.
Getting over the trees is good enuf.
I would contemplate one of them too if regulations for experimentals suddenly became
too onerous.
BB
On 30, Dec 2009, at 11:19 AM, lucien wrote:
>
>
> John Hauck wrote:
>>
>> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when it
>> comes to operating an engine. If you want to impress the Kolb List with
>> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years.
>>
>> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express
>> it so we can understand it.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>
>
> All,
>
> I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and
good folks to ignore it.
>
> John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest being
adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the comments
anymore on the list.
>
> Plus, to make this Kolb related, I'm still kicking the idea of a Firefly around
as a second plane. But it appears Rotax has quit making the 447, even tho
the distributors are still listing them Rotax themselves don't post it as an engine
they sell anymore.
>
> Anyone know the scoop on this?
>
> Thanks,
> LS
>
> --------
> LS
> Titan II SS
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279227#279227
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co"]>I've resumed monitoring the list as there's
too much good information here and good folks to ignore it.
> Lucien
>
>
Lucien C
Glad to see you're back. Now C don't piss me off. hehehe : )
Happy New Year!!!!
BTW C can't help much with your 447 question. I'm one of the non-Rotax heretics.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
Your E-mail and More On-to/171222985/direct/01/' target='_new'>Sign
up now.
> [b]
Hey Mike,
Ok, was just wondering if anyone knew offhand. no biggie as I need to order parts
for the upcoming annual on my plane from lockwood and titan so I'll ask at
that time.
Last I spoke to lockwood, they said Rotax intended to support any of the engines
they may discontinue for 10 years. But if the 447 is out of production, I guess
I'd have to make a decision fairly quickly and snap one up before they disappear.
I want a 103 plane and the Firefly looks like it's about at the top of the heap.
The other choice is my beloved fun racer trike, but it has some drawbacks the
Kolb doesn't have....
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279236#279236
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="slyck(at)frontiernet.net"]Lucien, like a moth returning to the flame?
:)
Jack Hart is your source for FF opinions. -at least I would consider him so.
Also, like him, I don't think the FF really needs all the power that the 447 has.
Getting over the trees is good enuf.
I would contemplate one of them too if regulations for experimentals suddenly became
too onerous.
BB
On 30, Dec 2009, at 11:19 AM, lucien wrote:
[quote]
Ok, sounds good. I live at a high altitude where every engine becomes the model
under it in terms of power (i.e. a 503 is about a 447, my 912uls is about a 912ul,
etc). My 503 powered FSII managed about 300 fpm here before I sold it.
I want to go 103 if I get another plane, I already pay too much in insurance and
annuals on the big one. Can't think of a better option than the firefly overall,
so that's what I'm looking at.
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279240#279240
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> John Hauck wrote:
>>
>> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when
>> it
>> comes to operating an engine. If you want to impress the Kolb List with
>> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years.
>>
>> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you
>> express
>> it so we can understand it.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>
>
> All,
>
> I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here
> and good folks to ignore it.
>
> John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest
> being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the
> comments anymore on the list.
>
> Thanks,
> LS
Lucien/Gang:
Welcome back to the Kolb List.
Was the above really necessary?
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> Lucien/Gang:
>
> Welcome back to the Kolb List.
>
> Was the above really necessary?
>
> john h
> mkIII
Good to be back.
Yes, the clarification was necessary. I will only accept PM's if you need to discuss
it further. I won't respond on the list and confining my comments here only
to Kolb/Kolb engine related material.
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279255#279255
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <apilot(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location....reply |
I agree that the Kolb Mark III will fly better with an aft CG. I have flown it
at 33% and 28%. It gets busy at 33% in rough weather. Does anyone know the
CG limits? I assume that it is around 25% to 31%.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location....reply |
16.5 FWD 23.1 AFT for Mark IIIC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
apilot(at)surewest.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply
I agree that the Kolb Mark III will fly better with an aft CG. I have flown
it at 33% and 28%. It gets busy at 33% in rough weather. Does anyone know
the CG limits? I assume that it is around 25% to 31%.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location....reply |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
tumultuous air will reveal weaknesses in balance better than any method. A properly
balanced airplane will
endure a sudden blast upwards with a nice straightforward (level) attitude. I
have flown planes like that.
My MkIII is not so well blessed. I'm speaking, obviously, of a column that uniformly
boosts yer butt upward,
not a little dinky thing like ones that lift one wing independently.
Aside from any other problem with this is the necessity of messing with throttle
settings too much. I'm a lazy pilot
who prefers to just amble along and look out the winders.
What is the consensus? do you end up with your nose down or up?
BB
On 30, Dec 2009, at 4:36 PM, Steve Simmons wrote:
>
> 16.5 FWD 23.1 AFT for Mark IIIC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> apilot(at)surewest.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply
>
>
> I agree that the Kolb Mark III will fly better with an aft CG. I have flown
> it at 33% and 28%. It gets busy at 33% in rough weather. Does anyone know
> the CG limits? I assume that it is around 25% to 31%.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location....reply |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Here's a bit more detailed spread sheet built up from one offered by another
lister (sorry, I don't remember who or I'd credit you)
Happy New Year and lots of good flying in the coming year. Even you, JP :-}
Rick
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Steve Simmons wrote:
> >
>
> 16.5 FWD 23.1 AFT for Mark IIIC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> apilot(at)surewest.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FWD Battery Location....reply
>
>
> I agree that the Kolb Mark III will fly better with an aft CG. I have
> flown
> it at 33% and 28%. It gets busy at 33% in rough weather. Does anyone know
> the CG limits? I assume that it is around 25% to 31%.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
John /list please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean?=0A-Chris Dav
is=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Hauck <jhauck@
elmore.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, December 30, 2009
12:34:26 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem=0A=0A--> Kolb-List m
essage posted by: "John Hauck" =0A=0A> John Hauck wro
te:=0A>> =0A>> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not r
elative when it=0A>> comes to operating an engine.- If you want to impres
s the Kolb List with=0A>> your experience, then you need to express it in h
ours, not years.=0A>> =0A>> I have no desire to verify your experience, but
it would help if you express=0A>> it so we can understand it.=0A>> =0A>> j
ohn h=0A>> mkIII=0A> =0A> =0A> All,=0A> =0A> I've resumed monitoring the li
st as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it.
=0A> =0A> John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'
d suggest being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond
to the comments anymore on the list.=0A>=0A> Thanks,=0A> LS=0A=0A=0ALucien
/Gang:=0A=0AWelcome back to the Kolb List.=0A=0AWas the above really necess
=========================0A
==================0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 447 problem/stopping production.. |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
herbgh(at)nctc.com wrote:
>
Well I called CPS (only place still open) and they said they hadn't heard anything
about the 447 going out of prod. They said there'd have been a press release
about it and so on...
May still have to think about snapping one up pretty soon tho anyway just to have
one ;)
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279305#279305
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Chris
I was in the same boat! -- been told it's "Private Message"
Russ
On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:33 PM, chris davis wrote:
> John /list please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean?
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
>
> From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 12:34:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem
>
>
> > John Hauck wrote:
> >>
> >> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not
> relative when it
> >> comes to operating an engine. If you want to impress the Kolb
> List with
> >> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years.
> >>
> >> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if
> you express
> >> it so we can understand it.
> >>
> >> john h
> >> mkIII
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good
> information here and good folks to ignore it.
> >
> > John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience,
> I'd suggest being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I
> won't respond to the comments anymore on the list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > LS
>
>
> Lucien/Gang:
>
> Welcome back to the Kolb List.
>
> Was the above reallnbsp; * AeroElectric www.buildersbookres
> ===========
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Russ , thank you I thought it might be some aircraft or pilot lingo I was i
gnoant of!=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled fro
m crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A
From: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent:
Wed, December 30, 2009 6:30:45 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem
=0A=0AChris =0AI was in the same boat! -- been told it's "Private Message"
=0ARuss=0A=0A=0AOn Dec 30, 2009, at 5:33 PM, chris davis wrote:=0A=0AJohn /
list please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean?=0A>-Chris Davis=0A
>KXP 503 492 hrs=0A>Glider Pilot=0A>Disabled from crash building Firefly
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom:-John Hauc
k =0A>To:-kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Sent:-Wed, D
ecember 30, 2009 12:34:26 PM=0A>Subject:-Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem
>=0A>=0A>> John Hauck wrote:=0A>>>-=0A>>> No one is questioning your expe
rience, but 10 years is not relative when it=0A>>> comes to operating an en
gine.- If you want to impress the Kolb List with=0A>>> your experience, t
hen you need to express it in hours, not years.=0A>>>-=0A>>> I have no de
sire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express=0A>>> it s
o we can understand it.=0A>>>-=0A>>> john h=0A>>> mkIII=0A>>-=0A>>-
=0A>> All,=0A>>-=0A>> I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too muc
h good information here and good folks to ignore it.=0A>>-=0A>> John H.,
whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest being adu
lt about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the comments an
ymore on the list.=0A>>=0A>> Thanks,=0A>> LS=0A>=0A>=0A>Lucien/Gang:=0A>=0A
>Welcome back to the Kolb List.=0A>=0A>Was the above reallnbsp; * AeroElect
ric-www.buildersbookres =============0A>=0A>=0A>
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">www.aero
electric.com=0A>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
=0A>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A>href="
http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howtocrimp.com=0A>href="http://www.matroni
cs.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributionhref="http://ww
w.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kol
b-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>
=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Electrical Switch Location |
I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. I don't want
to put them on the instrument panel (too far to reach). I like how Steve Green
built a box for switches/fuses/accessories on the floor between his legs. Unfortunately,
that won't work for me because I've got dual controls and the box
would interfere with the control stick. But I'm thinking of mounting something
overhead. Anyone had any experience with that? Thanks in advance for your
ideas.
Mark Rinehart
MkIII Indianapolis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | degoussing air frame |
>Anybody else got a simple explanation to answer my question, "Will the
>degausser damage my electric engine instruments?"
>john h -
John
Thoughts according to Boyd,,,
I am not sure but I think I would remove them before trying, this is why.
When you pass a magnetic field over coils of wire you have a transformer
that will create an electrical current in the instruments, the degausser
will be the transformer primary coil and the instrument the secondary coil.
If the current is sufficient to slam the gages, it may cause internal damage
or change the accuracy, the more sensitive the movement the more chance for
damage. The pressure type gages should be ok, but anything with an
electrical movement may be compromised as the movements work on a magnetic
field. This is my thoughts.
The rest of this info came from a friend at an old tv repair shop.
(maybe should say old friend at a tv shop)
To find out how far away you need to be to not do any damage take an old
crt tv and start the degausser at a 90 deg angle to the set at least 8 ft
away, turn it at the set and as you get closer watch the set until you
see changes in the picture. He said a picture with the most red color
showing would be best. When you are finished go back to the 8 foot area
and then turn it back to 90 deg before turning it off. When degaussing a
tv he mentioned that they were never concerned about destroying the speaker
in the set. And a permanent magnet is very hard to degausse. I asked about
coils in the engine and HE DID NOT THINK it would be a problem. While
degaussing old tv sets he said that he was never concerned with the
proximity of the degausser to his electronic equipment. Ie: oscilloscopes,
signal generators, digital meters. Although there are some coils in these
products the edi currents created have not caused any problems.
He has volunteered to do some test with an analog multi meter and let me
know the results. Also he will check with some of his students that work
at hill AFB and see if they can shed more light on the matter and I will
post to the list.
Hope this helps.. and sorry it took so long to contact my friend.
Boyd
Ok my friend just got back with me. He took an old analog meter and
tested it against an extremely good digital meter using a known voltage
supply with a good voltage regulator. After recording the first set of data
he proceeded to degauss the analog meter with a quote " heavy magnetic
field" multiple times. He then retested the meter against the digital and
known voltage source and could see no differences. From his testing it
is his opinion that degaussing the airframe should cause no damage to analog
or digital devices.
Ok now go back and erase the first paragraph, thoughts according to boyd.
Guess my thoughts were a bit cautious.
Boyd Young
KOLB MKIII
Utah
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Electrical Switch Location |
I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. I don't
want to put them on the instrument panel (too far to reach). I like how
Steve Green built a box for switches/fuses/accessories on the floor between
his legs. Unfortunately, that won't work for me because I've got dual
controls and the box would interfere with the control stick. But I'm
thinking of mounting something overhead. Anyone had any experience with
that? Thanks in advance for your ideas.
Mark Rinehart
MkIII Indianapolis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
http://www.brigham.net/~byoung/gapseal.html
not a very good picture,,, but the last picture.
boyd
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Merry Christmas ? |
| From: | "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Guys,
Best way to git whatcha want fer Christmas...?
Git it yerself.... Ho ho ho
I got Mine.... Found a 0-235 Lycoming ( 118 HP )
and all the "Logs" since new...
900 hrs before TBO
Only 4 hrs away in Iowa.... ( $3,300 )
.
.
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
.
.
PS Also Got a Spinner as a Bonus...
.
Everything is off a Cessna 152..
.
.
..
--------
.
.
.
.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279369#279369
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/lycoming_0_235_l2c_005_186.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/lycoming_0_235_l2c_012_199.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/lycoming_0_235_l2c_013_135.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
This was where
the prisoners managed to construct a 2 seat glider to be used in an
escape
attempt.>>
Hi Dana,
that glider was rebuilt for a BBC programme and it flew with several of
the Colditz glider builders looking on. They were tickled pink that it
had actually worked.
IThe design was in fact very like the German `Grunau` on which I went
solo on 21st March 1965. 3 whole minutes flying with 4 minutes on my
second flight. You can tell what the glide angle was like as those
launches were on the wire probably to 1000 ft. About the same as a Kolb
i guess.
Any glider pilot before the war would have known of the Grunau so not
really surprising that they built it that shape.
Happy New Year
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location....reply |
I'm speaking, obviously, of a column that uniformly boosts yer butt upward,
not a little dinky thing like ones that lift one wing independently.>>
Hi Robert,
How do you find those nice big, fat smooth thermals that lift the whole
plane on the level?. I have found those condition in the middle of a
thermal (sometimes) but I have usually had to go through the `one wing
lifting` bit to get there.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location....reply |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
apilot(at)surewest.net wrote:
> I agree that the Kolb Mark III will fly better with an aft CG. I have flown
it at 33% and 28%. It gets busy at 33% in rough weather. Does anyone know the
CG limits? I assume that it is around 25% to 31%.
My Firestar II builders manual states that CG limits are between 20 and 35 % of
wing chord.
--------
Jerry King
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279380#279380
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sky Biker Richarson <smlplanet(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Electrical Switch Location |
I have two locations for my switches in the Mark 111. Some of them are loca
ted overhead in the foward part of the gap cover and the others that I use
most are in a long narrow panel (3" wide alum U shaped extrusion) which con
nect to the dash and cable guides between the seats. The master=2C 2 fuel p
umps (main & reserve) and switch to show the fuel levels in each tank are i
n the ceater all other are located over head and easy to reach.
> Date: Wed=2C 30 Dec 2009 19:49:28 -0800
> From: capt_riney(at)yahoo.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I'm trying to decide where to put my elec switches on my Mk III. I don't
want to put them on the instrument panel (too far to reach). I like how Ste
ve Green built a box for switches/fuses/accessories on the floor between hi
s legs. Unfortunately=2C that won't work for me because I've got dual contr
ols and the box would interfere with the control stick. But I'm thinking of
mounting something overhead. Anyone had any experience with that? Thanks i
n advance for your ideas.
>
> Mark Rinehart
> MkIII Indianapolis
>
>
>
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: degoussing air frame |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
Regarding degaussing, I had some success degaussing the airframe on my titan with
my Radio Shack soldering iron with the tip removed. It's a big gun-style of
about 100 watts, the main coil makes a fairly big 60hz alternating magnetic field.
It's also a lot weaker than tape erasers or the big industrial degaussers, so I
was able to keep it away from my instruments, just running it over the tubing.
Took a while, but since I already had the iron it was free and it seemed to work
pretty good.
Just a thought,
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279385#279385
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location....reply |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Pat, if you fly low through the big hills south of here in the summertime you will
definitely get more than one or two
big lifts. You will be busy opening and closing the throttle to avoid overspeed,
followed immediately by near stall
and cranking the stick like a butter churn. Yes, I know, fly higher, but you have
to start low to get there.
I experienced my first aileron flutter in those conditions three years ago. Airspeed
can leap to 90 in an instant.
BB
On 31, Dec 2009, at 7:40 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> I'm speaking, obviously, of a column that uniformly boosts yer butt upward,
> not a little dinky thing like ones that lift one wing independently.>>
>
> Hi Robert,
> How do you find those nice big, fat smooth thermals that lift the whole plane
on the level?. I have found those condition in the middle of a thermal (sometimes)
but I have usually had to go through the `one wing lifting` bit to get
there.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: degoussing air frame |
Hi Boyd/Gang:
Thanks for the info.
Would be nice to have an accurate mag compass, but I doubt I will ever
do anything with it.
I can keep myself on a straight heading, without knowing exactly what
that heading is, and eventually find a land mark to get me to an airport
or some other suitable landing site if need be.
john h
From Ok my friend just got back with me. He took an old analog
meter and tested it against an extremely good digital meter using a
known voltage supply with a good voltage regulator. After recording the
first set of data he proceeded to degauss the analog meter with a quote
" heavy magnetic field" multiple times. He then retested the meter
against the digital and known voltage source and could see no
differences. From his testing it is his opinion that degaussing the
airframe should cause no damage to analog or digital devices.
Boyd Young
KOLB MKIII
Utah
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: degoussing air frame |
Probably need to qualify my comment below.
My mag compass is correct at one heading of the compass rose, then gets
progressively worse, up to a 90 degree error.
However, unless in extreme turbulence, it is relatively steady, allowing
me to fly an unknown heading without flying in circles.
john h
mkIII
I can keep myself on a straight heading, without knowing exactly what
that heading is, and eventually find a land mark to get me to an airport
or some other suitable landing site if need be.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Electrical Switch Location |
| From: | "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
Mark Rinehart wrote: << I'm trying to decide where to put my elec
switches on my Mk III. Anyone had any experience with that? Thanks in
advance for your ideas. >>
Hi, Mark -
You are not the first Kolb builder to discover that your panel space is
limited!
For my Mark-3, I built an auxiliary panel located on the aluminum floor
panel just beneath the passenger's knees. It was simpler than one would
think. Just forward to the front edge of the seat is the aluminum sheet
metal floor pan. It slopes at approx 45 degrees at this location, then
becomes level for the rest of the floor area up to the rudder pedals.
It was in the sloped portion of the pan where I built the auxiliary
panel.
I cut out a recess - approx 4 x 10 inches - and reinforced it to hold a
panel containing all my switches. On this panel are my master switch,
starter button, elec fuel pump switch, strobe switch, a 12v power jack
(cigar plug style, to power my GPS or handheld radio), and a fuse panel.
For that, I used a 2 x 3 inch automotive fuse panel that has six slots
for blade-style fuses, which I bought at Pep Boys. That was all the
fuses I needed for my Kolb. Because the panel face itself is recessed,
the switches are safely out of the way of feet, as your passenger climbs
in & out of the airplane.
I cannot actually see this auxiliary panel from my seated position in
the plane, but I can reach all the switches easily with my right hand.
I know all the locations of the switches by feel.
If I had a picture of it, I would attach it with this message. Picture
= a thousand words, etc. Next time I visit my Kolb, I'll take a
picture
of my auxiliary panel and post it here. It was a VERY worthwhile
modification, and it works great!
Dennis Kirby
Sandia Park, NM
Mark-III, 912ul, Powerfin-72 (the "old" style black variety)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <apilot(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location |
Do not have a picture of the forward battery box, but the task was made easier
by cutting an access hole in the top of the nose cone with a removeable hatch
cover. It is handy for servicing the antenna wiring, the nose ballast and the
back of the instrument panel. Vic Mk IIIC
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Electrical Switch Location |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
My two mag switches, aux fuel pump switch and starter switch are located at the
front of the seat just below and outside my legs. The two separate mag switches
I reach blind with my left hand. The aux fuel pump switch and momentary contact
starter toggle switch are operated blind with my right hand. Everything else
in on the tiny SS panel which I don't need access to in flight except the
landing lights which I can reach with harness on. The EIS controls and elevator
trim as well as PTT are on the stick.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I don't have to.
- Albert Einstein
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279581#279581
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Electrical Switch Location |
Mark=2C
There are lots of places where you could locate some switches=2C such as
overhead=2C below your knees=2C and on some center console=2C but how about
the following?..........
How about considering another very easy accessible place for those switch
es=2C etc? Why not mount them on a custom made pod on the door?
Back when I had a MkIII Classic front end (before my Xtra conversion)=2C
I had mounted the engine throttle on the flip-up door. It worked perfect
=2C felt comfortable=2C and swung out of the way when you get in and out.
Ok=2C but those doors are now gone!
Now that my (new) doors are the Xtra style doors=2C I remade the "door-mo
unted throttle" to work with my new style doors. Still works great=2C and
everything swings out of the way=2C to get in and out.
Now=2C regarding your question: Why not make an instrument/switch pod th
at mounts to your door? You could make it out of fiberglass (real easy pro
ject)=2C or aluminum (not my preference). This pod could incorporate an ar
mrest=2C door handle=2C and flow into an instrument pod.
The above door pod suggestion is something I've been kicking around for a
while. I just got back home a couple of days ago from Minneapolis=2C visit
ing with my oldest son. I used our brand new Garmin Nuvi=2C and I made a s
pecial note of where the GPS is most useful and comfortable to use.
For me=3B
A) I need it low=2C so I can see it properly with reading glasses.
B) I need it close=2C about 20" max. Anything further than that=2C and I
can't push the touch-screen with ANY accuracy.
Therefore=2C with these parameters in mind=2C I've decided to build (out of
fiberglass) a custom GPS pod/armrest=2C that will place the GPS where it w
ill be the most useful=2C on the door. The GPS's final location would be a
bout centered in front of me=2C about 15" in front of my stomach area. (abo
ut where you'd hold a magazine to read) The pod would hold one of those GP
S panel docks=2C the kind that the Garmin 296 just pops into. (the brand es
capes me=2C at the moment).
Just a suggestion=2C
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Monument Valley 2010 |
Morning Gang:
Time to start thinking about the 8th Annual Kolb Unplanned/Unorganized
Flyin, Monument Valley, Utah, 2010. How's that? The title is as long as
the flyin.
Mother's Day 2010 is 9 May. Memorial Day is the last Monday, 31 May.
Normally we plan on having our flyin the weekend between Mother's Day and
Memorial Day. However, this year there are two weekends in between.
If you plan on attending, let me know which weekend you prefer:
a. 14-16 May
b. 21-23 May
Based on that info, we'll make a decision on which date to go with.
A lot of us shoot to arrive on Thursday before the official start date on
Friday, depending on the flying weather.
If you haven't attended one of our flyins, you should. You are missing out
on what we feel is the best flyin anywhere for Kolb aircraft and Kolb
people. Monument Valley is a perfect place for this kind of get together.
If you flyin, there is a 4000 foot paved airstrip, auto fuel across the road
from the airstrip, beautiful RV Park with a designated area for tent
camping, where most of us camp. If drive, there is a nice lodge and also
individual cabins and duplexes. There is also a nice restaurant and a
grocery store for food and supplies. The convenience store also has fast
food available and less expensive than the restaurant. If we luck out,
maybe Uncle Craig and Tim will bring their rolling kitchen and cook
breakfast for us. ;-)
Take care,
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electrical Switch Location |
Mike W/Gang:
Wish I had the motivation to make all those changes.
I kept all the switches along the bottom right of the instrument panel
in front of me. Circuit breakers on the left side along the bottom of
the instrument panel. I wear my shoulder harness loose enough to be
able to reach the switches. If I need to pull or push a circuit
breaker, takes a second to loosen the shoulder harness a little more to
reach them. Normally, never have to recycle a breaker. I did fabricate
a sheet metal panel which I shock mounted an inch or so nearer the
seats.
My Garmin GPS is worn on my left thigh with a 2" velcro leg strap
because I did not have room on the panel to mount it. Glad I didn't
have room on the panel because I like it better on my leg. I wear
bifocals and can easily see the gps and operate it. A slight
disadvantage of wearing on my thigh is having to look down farther than
if it was panel mounted. As my vision slowly deteriorates, I doubt I
could see it well enough to use if it was mounted on the panel.
Being comfortable in the cockpit and keeping it simple is of primary
importance to me.
Weather is lousy in Alabama, cold and wet. When the sun comes out it
will be cold, low 40s.
Happy and healthy new year, folks!
Yippee! 4.5 months until time to fly to MV.
john h
mkIII
There are lots of places where you could locate some switches, such
as overhead, below your knees, and on some center console, but how about
the following?..........
A) I need it low, so I can see it properly with reading glasses.
B) I need it close, about 20" max. Anything further than that, and
I can't push the touch-screen with ANY accuracy.
Just a suggestion,
Mike Welch
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | A little humor for the New Year |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
I don't particularly like crash videos, but this one had a good outcome for
the pilot, or so I've been led to believe, forgive me if I'm wrong.
I can't help but wonder if BRS will put this one up on their site as a
"save". Probably so since they counted Brad Koji and he did have a bad
outcome.
http://liveleak.com/view?i=391_1259184903
Cut and paste if the link doesn't open.
Rick Girard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Still More MV2008 |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | And Still More MV2008 |
This is the end.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Hi Gang:
Here are some photos from MV2008.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2010 |
Hi folks,
Happy to see that someone else is thinking about MV. Last year it was
the highlight of my flight exp. Wouldn't miss it for anything.
This year I pan to fly.[ last year I trailered ] If anyone is planing
to fly along the interstate 10 route in a slow a/c ,I"m in a---55-60--
mph firestar & would love to hook up.
Will leave from Brownsville, TX. If someone knows of a better route
than Interstate 10, I sure would like to hear about it. This will be
my first really
long x country with overnight stops along the way and I'm not too sure
about the best route. It looks like there will be some long legs and
I will
have to carry an extra 5 gal gas can and stop somewhere to pour it in
my main tanks. I would like to avoid that if I can. If I can't ---at
least it is doable.
John, either date is fine with me . Count me in.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar 2
Brownsville ,TX
On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:42 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Morning Gang:
>
> Time to start thinking about the 8th Annual Kolb Unplanned/
> Unorganized Flyin, Monument Valley, Utah, 2010. How's that? The
> title is as long as the flyin.
>
> Mother's Day 2010 is 9 May. Memorial Day is the last Monday, 31 May.
>
> Normally we plan on having our flyin the weekend between Mother's
> Day and Memorial Day. However, this year there are two weekends in
> between.
>
> If you plan on attending, let me know which weekend you prefer:
>
> a. 14-16 May
>
> b. 21-23 May
>
> Based on that info, we'll make a decision on which date to go with.
>
> A lot of us shoot to arrive on Thursday before the official start
> date on Friday, depending on the flying weather.
>
> If you haven't attended one of our flyins, you should. You are
> missing out on what we feel is the best flyin anywhere for Kolb
> aircraft and Kolb people. Monument Valley is a perfect place for
> this kind of get together. If you flyin, there is a 4000 foot paved
> airstrip, auto fuel across the road from the airstrip, beautiful RV
> Park with a designated area for tent camping, where most of us
> camp. If drive, there is a nice lodge and also individual cabins
> and duplexes. There is also a nice restaurant and a grocery store
> for food and supplies. The convenience store also has fast food
> available and less expensive than the restaurant. If we luck out,
> maybe Uncle Craig and Tim will bring their rolling kitchen and cook
> breakfast for us. ;-)
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Electrical Switch Location |
John H/Everybody else=2C
Yeah=2C I admit=2C most of the changes I've done are NOT for the faint of
heart.
Plus=2C after all the delays=2C mods and postponings=2C it's time for me
to finish the plane.
I'm not going to begin any further stuff until I have the plane finished.
Things like "door pods" and other less important paraphernalia will be le
ft for later.
Mike Welch
From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Electrical Switch Location
Date: Fri=2C 1 Jan 2010 09:16:12 -0600
Mike W/Gang:
Wish I had the motivation to make all those changes.
I kept all the switches along the bottom right of the instrument panel in f
ront of me. Circuit breakers on the left side along the bottom of the inst
rument panel. I wear my shoulder harness loose enough to be able to reach
the switches. If I need to pull or push a circuit breaker=2C takes a secon
d to loosen the shoulder harness a little more to reach them. Normally=2C
never have to recycle a breaker. I did fabricate a sheet metal panel which
I shock mounted an inch or so nearer the seats.
My Garmin GPS is worn on my left thigh with a 2" velcro leg strap because I
did not have room on the panel to mount it. Glad I didn't have room on th
e panel because I like it better on my leg. I wear bifocals and can easily
see the gps and operate it. A slight disadvantage of wearing on my thigh
is having to look down farther than if it was panel mounted. As my vision
slowly deteriorates=2C I doubt I could see it well enough to use if it was
mounted on the panel.
Being comfortable in the cockpit and keeping it simple is of primary import
ance to me.
Weather is lousy in Alabama=2C cold and wet. When the sun comes out it wil
l be cold=2C low 40s.
Happy and healthy new year=2C folks!
Yippee! 4.5 months until time to fly to MV.
john h
mkIII
There are lots of places where you could locate some switches=2C such as
overhead=2C below your knees=2C and on some center console=2C but how abou
t the following?..........
A) I need it low=2C so I can see it properly with reading glasses.
B) I need it close=2C about 20" max. Anything further than that=2C and I
can't push the touch-screen with ANY accuracy.
Just a suggestion=2C
Mike Welch
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | kolb in the distance |
A neighbor with a perverted sense of humor caught me on his cell phone:
(the interceptor is a bird)
no I didn't crash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPA1w7FcdiE
BB, devoid of ambition today.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2010 |
.
> This year I pan to fly.[ last year I trailered ] If anyone is planing to
> fly along the interstate 10 route in a slow a/c ,I"m in a---55-60--
> mph firestar & would love to hook up.
> Will leave from Brownsville, TX. If someone knows of a better route than
> Interstate 10, I sure would like to hear about it. This will be my first
> really
> long x country with overnight stops along the way and I'm not too sure
> about the best route.
> Frank Goodnight
Frank G/Gang:
In 1994, I landed at Brownsville on my way around the border to Alaska.
>From there I flew generally up the border to Sanderson, Alpine,
Fabens, and on to El Paso.
Wil Uribe has flown his FS from El Paso to MV several times. He will be
able to help you out on the best recommended route from there.
Congratulations on your planned attempt at a flight that look like about
1,200 sm. Should be a good one.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Kolb guys=2C
I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII. I think I coul
d finish it in about two months.
Once my plane is finished=2C I have a trailer dilemma. Here's the story
=3B
I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This airp
ort is at the end of my street=2C and I'm the third house from the end.
There is almost no traffic on my street. I can go hours between seeing veh
icles.
I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all the ti
me...that is=2C I do NOT plan to fold the wings=2C since I have my 40 x 48
hangar I built last year (on my property).
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport
entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates=2C that are always open. The
gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall.
Simply put=2C I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the
airport.
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch=2C et
c)
My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit with a t
owbar. The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap=2C and a movable sciss
or mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly
by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).
I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground=2C and when necessary=2C rai
se it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.
Any engineering type guys have any thoughts=2C ideas=2C suggestions?? I
know I can build a very workable trailer=2C but I am always open to ideas I
may not have thought of.
Waddayathink??
Mike Welch
MkIII
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Mike Welch wrote:
> I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This airport is
at the end of my street C and I'm the third house from the end.
Some Wise Guy is going to say...... "1200 feet approach to the gate?..... fly it
over!"
Otherwise.... if you are talking about hoisting the plane high enough to clear
the 9' posts, I wouldn't be crazy about doing that. I would rather keep it close
to the ground. Tow it to the gate. With a well designed, good wheeled dolly
of some design, wing first through the gate by hand. "K" turn it through the
gate if necessary.
How much longer is your plane (nose to tail) than the gate is wide? Can't be much.
And what, if any, obstacles are on either side of the gate opening. Do/can
the gates swing all the way back against the fence?
Lots of planes go through hangar doors that are narrower than the wing spread.
Worth what you paid for it.......
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280049#280049
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike,
Cheaper and simpler than a trailer, might be to offer to rebuild the
airport gate so your plane fits through it, at your expense... and then
just taxi it from your hangar.
Otherwise, build a trailer to tow the plane sideways, and lift just the
tail if necessary to clear the gate.
-Dana
At 11:44 AM 1/4/2010, Mike Welch wrote:
>Kolb guys,
>
> I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII. I think I
> could finish it in about two months.
>
> Once my plane is finished, I have a trailer dilemma. Here's the story;
>
> I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This
> airport is at the end of my street, and I'm the third house from the end.
>There is almost no traffic on my street. I can go hours between seeing
>vehicles.
> I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all the
> time...that is, I do NOT plan to fold the wings, since I have my 40 x 48
> hangar I built last year (on my property).
>
> I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the
> airport entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates, that are always
> open. The gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9
> feet tall. Simply put, I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar
> to inside the airport.
>
> I am looking for trailer ideas.
>A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
>B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
>road).
>C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
>D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch, etc)
>
> My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit with a
> towbar. The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap, and a movable
> scissor mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly
>by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).
> I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground, and when necessary, raise
> it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.
>
> Any engineering type guys have any thoughts, ideas, suggestions?? I
> know I can build a very workable trailer, but I am always open to ideas I
> may not have thought of.
>
>Waddayathink??
>
>Mike Welch
>MkIII
>
>
>----------
>Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful S' target='_new'>Sign up now.
>
><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
--
Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Hi George=2C I'll answer your questions one at a time......
> Some Wise Guy is going to say...... "1200 feet approach to the gate?.....
fly it over!"
Interesting that you said that previous statement. Last summer=2C I was
standing at the end of my driveway=2C eyeballing the path of a possible lan
ding on my front yard( while my neighbor mowed his lawn). The next day=2C
he planted a line of trees along his property line. Obviously he was think
ing "don't get any ideas!!
> Otherwise.... if you are talking about hoisting the plane high enough to
clear the 9' posts=2C I wouldn't be crazy about doing that. I would rather
keep it close to the ground. Tow it to the gate. With a well designed=2C g
ood wheeled dolly of some design=2C wing first through the gate by hand. "K
" turn it through the gate if necessary.
See=2C I knew some sharp guy was going to suggest something I hadn't thoug
ht of! Build a turntable mechanism=2C or better yet=2C build the trailer t
o allow the plane to roll on and off diagonally (providing the plane will p
ass through diagonally) Hmmm??? I'll have to make some measurements to s
ee if a diagonal pass will work.
> How much longer is your plane (nose to tail) than the gate is wide? Can't
be much. And what=2C if any=2C obstacles are on either side of the gate op
ening. Do/can the gates swing all the way back against the fence?
I measured the gap of the gate last summer=2C but I can't remember now.
The posts allow for two normal width lanes of traffic to enter the airport
=2C so I'm guessing a gap of around 20 to 22 feet. I know it is close to t
hese figures=2C I just can't remember exactly. My plane is real close to 2
4 1/2 feet.
The left gate swings inline with the road=2C just enough to clear the asp
halt. The other gate swings more out of the way=2C but not ALL the way.
Your idea of raising the tail to go through the opening is an idea I pond
ered awhile back. This MAY be the best idea=2C yet. I haven't "designed"
any trailer structure to go this method=2C but it definitely has merit.
> Lots of planes go through hangar doors that are narrower than the wing sp
read.
One thing to consider is whatever I come up with=2C it has to allow for a
lmost NO "slowdown". In other words=2C I can't pull up to the gate=2C and
start farting around with some gizmo that takes a minute or two. I'll lose
friends rapidly if I block the entrance. I will need to pretty much drive
through unimpeded=2C slowing down for no more than a few seconds.
> Worth what you paid for it.......
Actually=2C worth more than I paid for it. Both of your suggestions will
get more investigation! Thanks=2C George.
Mike Welch
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://gtalexander.home.att.net
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike
Forget the trailer spend the money on a wider gate. Offer to pay or do
it yourself?????
Also The FAA has recently stated that they want to eliminate through the
gate operations at airports. The latest ruling states that any airport
that has or will get federal funds must stop allowing airplanes to
enter. Can you imagine the government mandating that a persons car must
be parked on a expressway to be able to use it. Go figure. You may want
to check on this.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys,
I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII. I think I
could finish it in about two months.
Once my plane is finished, I have a trailer dilemma. Here's the
story;
I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This
airport is at the end of my street, and I'm the third house from the
end.
There is almost no traffic on my street. I can go hours between
seeing vehicles.
I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all
the time...that is, I do NOT plan to fold the wings, since I have my 40
x 48 hangar I built last year (on my property).
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the
airport entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates, that are always
open. The gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9
feet tall. Simply put, I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar
to inside the airport.
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except
for my road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch,
etc)
My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit
with a towbar. The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap, and a
movable scissor mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly
by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).
I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground, and when necessary,
raise it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.
Any engineering type guys have any thoughts, ideas, suggestions?? I
know I can build a very workable trailer, but I am always open to ideas
I may not have thought of.
Waddayathink??
Mike Welch
MkIII
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful S' target='_new'>Sign up now.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Hi Dana=2C
If I thought the airport types would let me relocate the gate (only one g
ate would need to be moved)=2C I'd ask. But=2C seeing as how this gate is
less than a year old=2C and built with federal money=2C I can safely say "d
on't waste your time"=2C to myself.
Example: Since this is a county airport=2C I see a county commision hear
ing=2C environmental review=2C traffic study to determine the community ben
efit=2C review process=2C public hearings=2C more review process=2C approva
l=2C conditions to approval=2C permit=2C soils report=2C engineering review
=2C insurance policy=2C post a construction bond=2C do the work=2C reinspe
ction.
In the meantime=2C I died of old age. : (
I think I'll go out to my hangar=2C and take some measurements. Plus=2C
I'll run down to the airport gates and take a new accurate gap reading.
Yeah=2C I think you're right. Either the diagonal method=2C or the lift
a tail method=2C or a combination of the tow is going to be the way to go.
Back in a while........
Mike Welch
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 13:03:17 -0500
From: d-m-hague(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike=2C
Cheaper and simpler than a trailer=2C might be to offer to rebuild the airp
ort gate so your plane fits through it=2C at your expense... and then just
taxi it from your hangar.
Otherwise=2C build a trailer to tow the plane sideways=2C and lift just the
tail if necessary to clear the gate.
-Dana
At 11:44 AM 1/4/2010=2C Mike Welch wrote:
Kolb guys=2C
I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII. I think I coul
d finish it in about two months.
Once my plane is finished=2C I have a trailer dilemma. Here's the story
=3B
I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This airp
ort is at the end of my street=2C and I'm the third house from the end.
There is almost no traffic on my street. I can go hours between seeing veh
icles.
I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all the ti
me...that is=2C I do NOT plan to fold the wings=2C since I have my 40 x 48
hangar I built last year (on my property).
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport
entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates=2C that are always open. The
gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall.
Simply put=2C I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the
airport.
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch=2C et
c)
My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit with a t
owbar. The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap=2C and a movable sciss
or mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly
by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).
I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground=2C and when necessary=2C rai
se it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.
Any engineering type guys have any thoughts=2C ideas=2C suggestions?? I
know I can build a very workable trailer=2C but I am always open to ideas I
may not have thought of.
Waddayathink??
Mike Welch
MkIII
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful S' target='_new'>Sign up now.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
http://forums.matronics.com
- List Contribution Web Site -
-Matt Dralle=2C List Admin.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-- Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake!
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Rick=2C
The new FAA rule doesn't apply in my case. The FAA wants to stop AIRPLAN
ES from coming through fences to get to an airport=2C like at some of those
airport communities
where you can taxi from your hangar to the active runway.
Nope=2C can't forget the trailer idea. It's gonna have to be that=2C but
thanks=2C though.
Mike Welch
From: NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 13:21:06 -0500
Mike
Forget the trailer spend the money on a wider gate. Offer to pay or do it y
ourself?????
Also The FAA has recently stated that they want to eliminate through the ga
te operations at airports. The latest ruling states that any airport that h
as or will get federal funds must stop allowing airplanes to enter. Can you
imagine the government mandating that a persons car must be parked on a ex
pressway to be able to use it. Go figure. You may want to check on this.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
Sent: Monday=2C January 04=2C 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys=2C
I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII. I think I coul
d finish it in about two months.
Once my plane is finished=2C I have a trailer dilemma. Here's the story
=3B
I live 1200 feet from my local airport. Less than a 1/4 mile. This airp
ort is at the end of my street=2C and I'm the third house from the end.
There is almost no traffic on my street. I can go hours between seeing veh
icles.
I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all the ti
me...that is=2C I do NOT plan to fold the wings=2C since I have my 40 x 48
hangar I built last year (on my property).
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport
entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates=2C that are always open. The
gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall.
Simply put=2C I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the
airport.
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch=2C et
c)
My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit with a t
owbar. The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap=2C and a movable sciss
or mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly
by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).
I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground=2C and when necessary=2C rai
se it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.
Any engineering type guys have any thoughts=2C ideas=2C suggestions?? I
know I can build a very workable trailer=2C but I am always open to ideas I
may not have thought of.
Waddayathink??
Mike Welch
MkIII
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful S' target='_new'>Sign up now.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?Kolb-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
_________________________________________________________________
Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Why did you build the hanger on your property, rather than the airport?
Before I threw out the suggestion to build a wider gate, I'd take time
to investigate the probablity of doing so with local officials.
Trailering is not the ideal way to enjoy an airplane. Some folks have
no other alternative. The more hassle it is to get ready, before and
after flying, the less the Kolb will be flown.
How are your neighbors and city officials going to feel about you
trailering 30' wide cargo down the street a couple times a day.
And I thought I had problems flying with cows and cow manure for the
last 25 years. ;-)
john h
mkIII - 31F at 1255, hauck's holler, alabama. Too cold to play with the
airplane.
The airport is a local public (municipal??) airport.
Mike Welch
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Mike
It seems that in some of the magazines there have been stands that you can
buy to put in a hanger that can raise a plane off the floor so another can
be parked under it. If you could buy one of them and mount it on a
trailer,,, pull up to the gate raise it up, go through, let it down.
Make sure the base of the trailer is secure enough so it won't tip over if
a gust of wind hit it. Seems like someone has already done the
engineering, but maybe it is only for nose draggers,,, you may have to
check.
Boyd Young
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at
no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and
gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
-- Robert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
John H.=2C
Because the hangar/shop is 50 feet from my house=2C and I built the hanga
r on my property because it is my hangar=2C and I didn't want to get involv
ed with airport leasing=2C etc=2C etc=2C etc.
Besides=2C I built an apartment in the back of the hangar=2C where my wif
e and I lived for a year=2C while I built my house=2C which is almost done.
Trailering=2C when it is rolled onto a metal frame=2C pulled 1200 feet=2C
and rolled off the metal frame is hardly "trailering". This the point why
I want it to remain 100% together=2C wings spread=2C gassed up=2C whatever
. Not trailered in the normal sense of the word. Roll in on=2C pull it to
the airport=2C roll it off. Simple plan. (just got to get through that d
arn gate)
Don't care much about what city officials say. I live well south of town
and I can move the plane quite easily without worrying about an traffic.
I haven't had a car drive past my house today in three hours.
Mike Welch
From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 12:58:43 -0600
Why did you build the hanger on your property=2C rather than the airport?
Before I threw out the suggestion to build a wider gate=2C I'd take time to
investigate the probablity of doing so with local officials.
Trailering is not the ideal way to enjoy an airplane. Some folks have no o
ther alternative. The more hassle it is to get ready=2C before and after f
lying=2C the less the Kolb will be flown.
How are your neighbors and city officials going to feel about you trailerin
g 30' wide cargo down the street a couple times a day.
And I thought I had problems flying with cows and cow manure for the last 2
5 years. =3B-)
john h
mkIII - 31F at 1255=2C hauck's holler=2C alabama. Too cold to play with th
e airplane.
The airport is a local public (municipal??) airport.
Mike Welch
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Boyd=2C
Your idea of the "airplane lift" is close to what I would design=2C if I
were to go that route.
I considered the U-frame=2C with the inner scissor mechanism platform=2C wh
ere the platform "scissors" by way of a winch cable=2C raising the inner pl
atform.
Still=2C I like the idea of the diagonal position. I'm going to run down
and get some measurements....
Thanks=2C Mike
From: by0ung(at)brigham.net
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 11:58:50 -0700
Mike
It seems that in some of the magazines there have been stands that you can
buy to put in a hanger that can raise a plane off the floor so another can
be parked under it. If you could buy one of them and mount it on a trail
er=2C=2C=2C pull up to the gate raise it up=2C go through=2C let it down.
Make sure the base of the trailer is secure enough so it won=92t tip ove
r if a gust of wind hit it. Seems like someone has already done the engi
neering=2C but maybe it is only for nose draggers=2C=2C=2C you may have
to check.
Boyd Young
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Robert=2C
I thought of that=2C too. I think this has to be one of the front runner
s.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design)=2C and it has these padded wing pockets=2C this
may not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert=2C Mike
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird(at)cavediver.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate=2C
at no cost to you=2C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing
and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
-- Robert
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Kolb guys=2C
Okay=2C I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got
=3B
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap w
as closer to 20-22'...hmmm=2C maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing=2C plus 36" for the cent
er section). However=2C if only ONE wing is folded=2C you'd have to add ab
out 3 feet for the landing gear=2C i.e....14' for one wing=2C plus 3' cente
r section=2C plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if
one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build=2C if
I went with a "one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper=2C scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions=2C scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mou
nt will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
Robert=2C
I thought of that=2C too. I think this has to be one of the front runner
s.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design)=2C and it has these padded wing pockets=2C this
may not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert=2C Mike
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird(at)cavediver.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate=2C
at no cost to you=2C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing
and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
-- Robert
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
At 01:21 PM 1/4/2010, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
>
>Also The FAA has recently stated that they want to eliminate through the
>gate operations at airports. The latest ruling states that any airport
>that has or will get federal funds must stop allowing airplanes to enter.
>Can you imagine the government mandating that a persons car must be parked
>on a expressway to be able to use it. Go figure. You may want to check on this.
This only applies to people who own property directly adjacent to the
airport, and cross the property line through a private access. It does NOT
apply (yet) to people who trailer their planes through the public airport
gate from another location.
-Dana
--
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Comedy act for all Kolbers |
Everyone!
My bro sent me this link. What a hoot!!! You'll love it.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
http://www.franklinairshow.com/Video/Comedy%202010%20Net.WMV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike, take into consideration the plane is a little tippy with one wing
on.
I like the diagonal approach ---or maybe knife edge? :)
BB
On 4, Jan 2010, at 3:19 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> Kolb guys,
>
> Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I
got;
>
> The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the
gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
>
> My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the
center section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add
about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3'
center section, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide
overall (if one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer
to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design".
>
> I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's
outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal
trailer mount will work. More on this one later..
>
> Thanks for everyone's input.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
> From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
>
> Robert,
>
> I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front
runners.
>
> You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube
support
> (from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets,
this may not be a bad idea.
>
> Thanks Robert, Mike
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> From: rlaird(at)cavediver.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the
gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up
the wing and gap seal.
>
> Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other
solution.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
>
>
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> ronics.com
> ww.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
>
>
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> ronics.com
> ww.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hello...
I looked at a M3C last year on floats ,and it had a pretty neat trailer to get
it a short way to the water....take a look and imagine ! The neat thing about
this was the tongue ...it had a hitch on both sides and it slid from one end to
the other so he could run it up on the trailer ...pull it up on shore then push
the tongue all the way though ...pin it ...tie the tail to the tongue and
tow it home....then it's all set to put back in the water !
good luck !
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab
N327CS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280155#280155
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_2548_521.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MV 2110 Trip |
My x country time is zero , I'm excited about the
> upcoming trip , but also nervous . Anything that you or anyone else can
> tell me that would make the trip
> safer or more enjoyable I would sure like to hear.
> Frank Goodnight
Frank G/Gang:
I've been flying Kolbs cross country for a while.
When I decided to start flying extremely long, multi-day/week cross
countries, I decided to do an overnight flight to check if I had everything
I needed and determine things that I did not need.
This first overnight flight confirmed what I needed to take with me on the
longer flights.
The primary requirement for me is to be comfortable and get a good night's
sleep. I have to have a good tent that has been tested in wet and windy
weather, a good Thermarest air mattress, pillow, sleeping bag, etc. I have
the luxury of more cargo space than you do, so you may not want to bring a
pillow, but use your dirty clothes bag for a pillow.
The best way to know what it is going to take for you is to get out there
and do overnight cross country flights. If you can be comfortable for one
night, you should be comfortable for a month or more.
It takes as much preparation for a one night flight as it does for a 30
night flight.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Hey Big Bob=2C
I realize that if I were to go with the "one wing folded" approach that i
t would be VERY side-heavy. What I would have done is incorporate a cushio
ned cradle to support and brace that one extended wing. [ In other words
=2C I would have allowed for that : ) ]
After measuring the new gate opening width=2C and finding out it is 27 fe
et wide=2C I'm real tempted to try to go with the sideways tow idea. Here'
s why=3B
Remember=2C my main preference is have the plane stay 100% flyable at all
times. Folding even one wing is more than I would prefer not to do. I'd
do it=2C but I'd rather not=2C if something else will allow the plane to st
ay fully "flight ready". I really would like it to simply roll onto a trai
ler=2C secure it with bungies and velcro straps=2C and roll home.
Since the gate opening is 27 feet=2C and the overall length nose to tail
is around 24 feet=2C I'm tempted to make an executive decision=2C and just
go with that sideways tow idea. This would allow me to make a trailer that
the plane would roll onto from the side. (onto runners=2C most likely) It
could allow me to keep both wings fully extended (and everything=2C for th
at matter). The plane would tow fairly easily between the 27 foot gap.
Now=2C I need to come up with a decent=2C very low=2C trailer=2C with run
ners for a side loading.
Thanks for everybody's input=2C
Mike Welch
From: slyck(at)frontiernet.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 17:25:36 -0500
Mike=2C take into consideration the plane is a little tippy with one wing o
n.
I like the diagonal approach ---or maybe knife edge? :)
BB
On 4=2C Jan 2010=2C at 3:19 PM=2C Mike Welch wrote:
Kolb guys=2C
Okay=2C I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got
=3B
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap w
as closer to 20-22'...hmmm=2C maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing=2C plus 36" for the cent
er section). However=2C if only ONE wing is folded=2C you'd have to add ab
out 3 feet for the landing gear=2C i.e....14' for one wing=2C plus 3' cente
r section=2C plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if
one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build=2C if
I went with a "one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper=2C scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions=2C scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mou
nt will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
Robert=2C
I thought of that=2C too. I think this has to be one of the front runner
s.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design)=2C and it has these padded wing pockets=2C this
may not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert=2C Mike
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird(at)cavediver.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate=2C
at no cost to you=2C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing
and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
-- Robert
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?Kolb-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con
tribution
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Mike, Harbor Freight sells car dollies that have castering wheels for about
$40 a pair. If you made a tail boom dolly from one of their mover's dolly,
usually on sale for $10, which also has casters, you'd be all set to go
through that gate sideways for less than $100.
Just a thought.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> Hey Big Bob,
>
> I realize that if I were to go with the "one wing folded" approach that
> it would be VERY side-heavy. What I would have done is incorporate a
> cushioned cradle to support and brace that one extended wing. [ In other
> words, I would have allowed for that : ) ]
>
> After measuring the new gate opening width, and finding out it is 27 feet
> wide, I'm real tempted to try to go with the sideways tow idea. Here's why;
>
> Remember, my main preference is have the plane stay 100% flyable at all
> times. Folding even one wing is more than I would prefer not to do. I'd do
> it, but I'd rather not, if something else will allow the plane to stay fully
> "flight ready". I really would like it to simply roll onto a trailer,
> secure it with bungies and velcro straps, and roll home.
> Since the gate opening is 27 feet, and the overall length nose to tail is
> around 24 feet, I'm tempted to make an executive decision, and just go with
> that sideways tow idea. This would allow me to make a trailer that the
> plane would roll onto from the side. (onto runners, most likely) It could
> allow me to keep both wings fully extended (and everything, for that
> matter). The plane would tow fairly easily between the 27 foot gap.
>
> Now, I need to come up with a decent, very low, trailer, with runners for
> a side loading.
>
> Thanks for everybody's input,
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: slyck(at)frontiernet.net
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:25:36 -0500
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Mike, take into consideration the plane is a little tippy with one wing on.
>
> I like the diagonal approach ---or maybe knife edge? :)
> BB
>
> On 4, Jan 2010, at 3:19 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
>
> Kolb guys,
>
> Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got;
>
> The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap
> was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
>
> My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the center
> section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about 3
> feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center section,
> plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear =* 20' wide *overall (if one wing
> were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with
> a "one-wing folded design".
>
> I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer
> dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount
> will work. More on this one later..
>
> Thanks for everyone's input.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
>
> Robert,
>
> I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners.
>
> You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
> (from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this may
> not be a bad idea.
>
> Thanks Robert, Mike
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> From: rlaird(at)cavediver.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at
> no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and
> gap seal.
>
> Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
> *
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listronics.comww.matronics.com/contribution
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
>
> *
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listronics.comww.matronics.com/contribution
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now.
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> *
>
>
> *
>
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listronics.comww.matronics.com/contribution
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Hello All Kolbers,
If nothing else, this has been a very entertaining discussion. This is
the kind of stuff I like to read. Some funny and some serious. With all the
input, it sounds like Mike is closing in on an answer to his dilemma.
Bill Varnes
Kolb FireStar (sitting in its hangar/cold & windy)
Audubon, NJ
In a message dated 1/4/2010 1:52:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com writes:
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch, etc)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Yup=2C Bill=2C I think you're right.
Luckily=2C when the airport people replaced all the fencing last year at th
e airport=2C they widened the gate a few feet. With a clearance of 27 feet
=2C this makes it very possible to just tow the plane sideways. This also
lets me keep the plane 100% assembled=2C ready to fly.
Rick G. also just suggested a real good idea=2C too. Since I already have
that heavy duty tailboom dolly I built a couple of years ago=2C and I don't
need to raise the plane into the air=2C all I need is a dolly to carry jus
t the main wheels.
He thinks I could get by with a couple (maybe more) of those Harbor Freight
wheels=2C and some steel tubing=2C etc. I think he's right.
Thanks for everyone's input=2C I appreciate it a lot.
Mike Welch
From: whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.com
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 23:37:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Hello All Kolbers=2C
If nothing else=2C this has been a very entertaining discussion. This is t
he kind of stuff I like to read. Some funny and some serious. With all th
e input=2C it sounds like Mike is closing in on an answer to his dilemma.
Bill Varnes
Kolb FireStar (sitting in its hangar/cold & windy)
Audubon=2C NJ
In a message dated 1/4/2010 1:52:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C mdnanwelc
h7(at)hotmail.com writes:
I am looking for trailer ideas.
A) I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV.
B) The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my
road).
C) The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening
D) I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch=2C et
c)
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
How about building your trailer with one side higher than the other, if you
need to clear 9 ft on one side only the other wing only needs to be 18 inchs
off the ground , with a wide undercarrage on the trailer,trolly it should
still remain stable for towing.
Downunder
MK111c
Regards
Tony
----- Original Message -----
to give a comfortable clearanceFrom: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:26 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Trailer challenge
>
> Hello...
>
> I looked at a M3C last year on floats ,and it had a pretty neat trailer to
> get it a short way to the water....take a look and imagine ! The neat
> thing about this was the tongue ...it had a hitch on both sides and it
> slid from one end to the other so he could run it up on the trailer
> ...pull it up on shore then push the tongue all the way though ...pin it
> ...tie the tail to the tongue and tow it home....then it's all set to put
> back in the water !
>
> good luck !
>
>
> chris ambrose
> M3X/Jab
> N327CS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280155#280155
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_2548_521.jpg
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
| From: | zeprep251(at)AOL.COM |
Mike,
Take a look at the mechanism employed on pontoon boat trailers.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Trailer challenge
Hi George, I'll answer your questions one at a time......
> Some Wise Guy is going to say...... "1200 feet approach to the gate?....
. fly it over!"
Interesting that you said that previous statement. Last summer, I was
standing at the end of my driveway, eyeballing the path of a possible lan
ding on my front yard( while my neighbor mowed his lawn). The next day,
he planted a line of trees along his property line. Obviously he was thi
nking "don't get any ideas!!
> Otherwise.... if you are talking about hoisting the plane high enough
to clear the 9' posts, I wouldn't be crazy about doing that. I would rath
er keep it close to the ground. Tow it to the gate. With a well designed,
good wheeled dolly of some design, wing first through the gate by hand.
"K" turn it through the gate if necessary.
See, I knew some sharp guy was going to suggest something I hadn't though
t of! Build a turntable mechanism, or better yet, build the trailer to al
low the plane to roll on and off diagonally (providing the plane will pass
through diagonally) Hmmm??? I'll have to make some measurements to see
if a diagonal pass will work.
> How much longer is your plane (nose to tail) than the gate is wide? Can'
t be much. And what, if any, obstacles are on either side of the gate open
ing. Do/can the gates swing all the way back against the fence?
I measured the gap of the gate last summer, but I can't remember now.
The posts allow for two normal width lanes of traffic to enter the airpor
t, so I'm guessing a gap of around 20 to 22 feet. I know it is close to
these figures, I just can't remember exactly. My plane is real close to
24 1/2 feet.
The left gate swings inline with the road, just enough to clear the asph
alt. The other gate swings more out of the way, but not ALL the way.
Your idea of raising the tail to go through the opening is an idea I pon
dered awhile back. This MAY be the best idea, yet. I haven't "designed"
any trailer structure to go this method, but it definitely has merit.
> Lots of planes go through hangar doors that are narrower than the wing
spread.
One thing to consider is whatever I come up with, it has to allow for al
most NO "slowdown". In other words, I can't pull up to the gate, and star
t farting around with some gizmo that takes a minute or two. I'll lose fr
iends rapidly if I block the entrance. I will need to pretty much drive
through unimpeded, slowing down for no more than a few seconds.
> Worth what you paid for it.......
Actually, worth more than I paid for it. Both of your suggestions will
get more investigation! Thanks, George.
Mike Welch
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://gtalexander.home.att.net
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAtarget='_new'>Sign up now.
========================
===========
========================
===========
========================
===========
========================
===========
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
John,
That was back in the day when BS was naturally generated.The new Federally
generated kind is more difficult to navigate.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Trailer challenge
Why did you build the hanger on your property, rather than the airport?
Before I threw out the suggestion to build a wider gate, I'd take time to
investigate the probablity of doing so with local officials.
Trailering is not the ideal way to enjoy an airplane. Some folks have no
other alternative. The more hassle it is to get ready, before and after
flying, the less the Kolb will be flown.
How are your neighbors and city officials going to feel about you traileri
ng 30' wide cargo down the street a couple times a day.
And I thought I had problems flying with cows and cow manure for the last
25 years. ;-)
john h
mkIII - 31F at 1255, hauck's holler, alabama. Too cold to play with the
airplane.
The airport is a local public (municipal??) airport.
Mike Welch
========================
===========
========================
===========
========================
===========
========================
===========
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Mike,
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys,
Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got;
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap
was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the cente
r section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about
3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center sect
ion, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one win
g were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went
with a "one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer moun
t will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
Robert,
I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners
.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this ma
y not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert, Mike
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird(at)cavediver.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate,
at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing
and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution
.
-- Robert
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now.
========================
===========
========================
===========
========================
===========
========================
===========
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Mike=2C
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
Gary=2C
After I measured the new gate opening=2C and finding it is actually 27' w
ide=2C I think I can just make a simple dolly device to carry just the main
wheels. I already have the tailboom dolly. I would need to connect a sim
ple brace to tie the main wheel dolly and the tailboom dolly=2C and it woul
d act as the towbar=2C too.
My tailboom dolly has castors. The main wheel dolly will not=2C because
I need the plane to track directly
behind my ATV.
When I experimented with a model airplane=2C it appears that the best cle
arance is 90 degrees (sideways). As I rotated the model plane=2C the hor.
stabilizer forced the airplane to have a wider clearance requirement.
From all the information I have thus far=2C it looks like I'm A-OK with a
simple sideways mount trailer or main wheel dolly. (24' long plane going
through a 27' gate opening.)
Still=2C I do like the idea of raising the tail really high (over 10')...
.if I ever needed to. Then I could go through the gate without having to j
ust squeeze through.
Mike Welch
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount
will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Years ago while visiting in Washington state, I saw a kolb on a hand pull
trailer. The plane sat on the trailer sideways, left wing to the
front right wing to the rear, nose to the right,,, well you get the idea.
I don't know the dimensions of your mkIII classic/extra, but that may
just be to easy. The kolb info packet shows the length of the original
mkIII as 22'6"
Boyd Young
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Still, I do like the idea of raising the tail really high (over 10')....if
I ever needed to. Then I could go through the gate without having to just
squeeze through.
Mike Welch
When you get to the gate take some chalk and mark your tire position,,,
when you are happy with the location, take a can of spray paint and paint
a small dot, or row of dots.
I would envision a trailer with a long c channel for the tail wheel.
lift the tail wheel into the c channel.then push the plane back to the ramps
for the main gear, have them mounted on a pivot, or teeter totter 5 ft on
one side 1 ft on the other. with the plane on the ground the ramp ends
would hit the ground,,,, when the plane is on the trailer, the wheels
would be just past the pivot point of the ramp and hold the ramps off the
ground. You may only have to roll the plane up 4 inches or so for
clearance.
Boyd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location....reply |
Yes, I know, fly higher, but you have to start low to get there.>>
Hi Robert,
I do the opposite. On the theory that thermals start at ground level and
dont start to build until they get a bit of height and are strongest at
cloud base, I tend to go low.
I think we have different thermals here in the UK. Average say 3/4knots, a
real stonker would be say 8/9knots wheras I have flown in Texas and the
bastards seem to start at 10 knots and then build..
I have never throttled back in a thermal here unless I am trying to maintain
a fixed height. If I hit a thermal I just pull back and stick a wing down if
I feel lucky.
Amazing how we fly in a different style to `real` pilots. I took a `Red
Arrows` (RAF airobatic team) for a ride in my Challenger. As usual my speed
varied by a bout 10 knots and the height wandered up and down 50 ft. I
offered mt passenger the stick and the speed and the height indicators just
stopped moving as it they had suddenly become stuck. I did feel amateur.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Hi Boyd=2C
Sounds like that trailer would be exactly what I need.
In a previous email=2C I stated it looks like the narrowest method to tow
a completely assembled Kolb MkIII is to go totally at 90 degrees sideways.
Any skewing appears to require more clearance.
Since my MkIII has a TNK Co.'s OEM Xtra nosecone=2C and all the fuselage
tubing was built as precisely as I could measure to a genuine Xtra's dimens
ions=2C my MkIII will reflect almost identical dimensions of a factory buil
t Xtra.
I just went out to my shop and measured the length=2C from nose to tail.
I come up with VERY close to 23' 6". (this is with the rudder swung over
as much as possible=2C shortening up the overall length a couple of inches
.)
This all appears as good news to me. I've got to get a 23' 6" airplane t
hrough a 27' wide gate opening. Sounds fairly easy to me to plan on buildi
ng a "main wheel dolly" that tracks directly behind my ATV.
Time to sketch out some ideas for dollies.
(Where is Uncle Craig when you need him? ha ha)
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
Years ago while visiting in Washington state=2C I saw a kolb on a hand p
ull trailer. The plane sat on the trailer sideways=2C left wing to
the front right wing to the rear=2C nose to the right=2C=2C=2C well you
get the idea. I don=92t know the dimensions of your mkIII classic/extr
a=2C but that may just be to easy. The kolb info packet shows the length
of the original mkIII as 22=926=94
Boyd Young
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike,
I would be considering a Lift Strut extensions that would raise the wings
to 10 feet, at 10 feet out from center.
Maybe even a fancy telescoping Lift Strut, that is electrically driven
between transport and flying condition?
Herb Graff
Mark III, 246KT
In a message dated 1/4/2010 11:52:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com writes:
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport
entrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates, that are always open. The
gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall.
Simply put, I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the
airport.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Hi Herb=2C
Doesn't hit me as a good idea to modify the plane like that=2C Herb. If
a wing were to be raised that high=2C I'd have to unhook the aileron contro
l=2C etc. Plus=2C the wing mount wouldn't allow for such a high angle. Al
l these things are what I'm trying to avoid.
Fortunately=2C as it turns out=2C the gate opening is 27' and in the side
ways position=2C my plane is 23' 6". So=2C sideways it is!!
Now=2C all I have to do is come up with a very nice design=2C well-built
trailer to tow the plane sideways.
Mike Welch
From: HGRAFF(at)aol.com
Date: Tue=2C 5 Jan 2010 13:00:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike=2C
I would be considering a Lift Strut extensions that would raise the wings t
o 10 feet=2C at 10 feet out from center.
Maybe even a fancy telescoping Lift Strut=2C that is electrically driven be
tween transport and flying condition?
Herb Graff
Mark III=2C 246KT
In a message dated 1/4/2010 11:52:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time=2C mdnanwel
ch7(at)hotmail.com writes:
I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport e
ntrance gate. It's a set of swinging gates=2C that are always open. The g
ap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall. Si
mply put=2C I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the a
irport.
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Longo" <tclongo(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than $100
put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive in with
one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in, will take just
a few seconds to do so.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike,
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys,
Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got;
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap
was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the center
section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about 3
feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center section,
plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one wing were
folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a
"one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount
will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
_____
From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com <mailto:mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
Robert,
I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this may
not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert, Mike
_____
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird(at)cavediver.com <mailto:rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at
no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and
gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
-- Robert
ttp:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
ttp:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now.
===================================
ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
===================================
ttp://forums.matronics.com
===================================
ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
===================================
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FWD Battery Location....reply |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Pat, you have a good point there. If I maintain 30 ft above the ground the thermals
should be mild.
Unfortunately where I was flying that absurdly boisterous day, the terrain was
too vertical to allow.
I'm more a fair weather flyer now although I know one needs some bumpier air to
keep your reactions up to par.
BB
nippy here in the northeast US.
On 5, Jan 2010, at 11:54 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> Yes, I know, fly higher, but you have to start low to get there.>>
>
> Hi Robert,
> I do the opposite. On the theory that thermals start at ground level and dont
start to build until they get a bit of height and are strongest at cloud base,
I tend to go low.
> I think we have different thermals here in the UK. Average say 3/4knots, a real
stonker would be say 8/9knots wheras I have flown in Texas and the bastards
seem to start at 10 knots and then build..
>
> I have never throttled back in a thermal here unless I am trying to maintain
a fixed height. If I hit a thermal I just pull back and stick a wing down if I
feel lucky.
>
> Amazing how we fly in a different style to `real` pilots. I took a `Red Arrows`
(RAF airobatic team) for a ride in my Challenger. As usual my speed varied
by a bout 10 knots and the height wandered up and down 50 ft. I offered mt passenger
the stick and the speed and the height indicators just stopped moving as
it they had suddenly become stuck. I did feel amateur.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something?
On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Tom Longo wrote:
> Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less
> than $100 put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up
> and drive in with one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as
> you are in, will take just a few seconds to do so.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-
> server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251(at)aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:58 AM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
>
> Mike,
> Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
> G.Aman
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
>
> Kolb guys,
>
> Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what
> I got;
>
> The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought
> the gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate
> opening.
>
> My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for
> the center section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd
> have to add about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one
> wing, plus 3' center section, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear
> = 20' wide overall (if one wing were folded) This would be slam
> dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design".
>
> I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's
> outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal
> trailer mount will work. More on this one later..
>
> Thanks for everyone's input.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
> From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
>
> Robert,
>
> I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front
> runners.
>
> You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube
> support
> (from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets,
> this may not be a bad idea.
>
> Thanks Robert, Mike
>
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
> From: rlaird(at)cavediver.com
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the
> gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting
> up the wing and gap seal.
>
> Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other
> solution.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>
>
> ronics.com
>
>
> ww.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
>
>
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>
>
> ronics.com
>
>
> ww.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now.
>
>
> ===================================
>
>
> ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>
>
> ===================================
>
>
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> ===================================
>
>
> ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> ===================================
>
>
> - The Kolb-List Email Forum -
> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> --> http://forums.matronics.com
> - List Contribution Web Site -
> Thank you for your generous support!
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Longo" <tclongo(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Depends on how high the fence is, he said opening is 27 feet wide, so if it
is on a trailer the wing is up fairly high already, should not take much
lift on one side to clear and the other wing should have plenty of room
before it hits the ground.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of russ kinne
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something?
On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Tom Longo wrote:
Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than $100
put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive in with
one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in, will take just
a few seconds to do so.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [
mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike,
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Welch < mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com <mailto:mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
>
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys,
Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got;
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap
was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the center
section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about 3
feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center section,
plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one wing were
folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a
"one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount
will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
_____
From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com <mailto:mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
Robert,
I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front runners.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this may
not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert, Mike
_____
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird(at)cavediver.com <mailto:rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate, at
no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and
gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
-- Robert
ttp:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
ttp:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now.
===================================
ator?Kolb-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
===================================
ttp://forums.matronics.com
===================================
ibution"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
===================================
- The Kolb-List Email Forum -
--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
--> http://forums.matronics.com
- List Contribution Web Site -
Thank you for your generous support!
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
--> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Trailer challenge |
Tom=2C
Thanks for the suggestion=2C but here are some key points to consider.
I don't have any trailer to carry the Kolb at this time=2C so whatever I
come up with=2C I have to make.
That wouldn't a problem=2C I've made a couple "car carrier" trailers in t
he past=2C but I don't want something that large. (actually=2C I have a 5
ton flatbed trailer for my backhoe=2C which I used to move my plane here=2C
but it's waaaay too heavy for my ATV!!)
Remember=2C I'm not trying to "tow" the plane very far=2C only 1/4 mile
=2C to at the end of my road. What I'm looking for is more like a "dolly"
than a true airplane trailer.
When I thought the gate clearance was 20-22 feet=2C I considered building
a trailer pretty close to what you have in mind. Doesn't look like I need
to go this route=2C though.
While I believe what you suggest will work=2C it would be MUCH more compl
ex to build than necessary. Especially=2C since I've mentioned my plane is
23' 6" long...going through the 27' wide opening=2C and it can be towed si
deways.
So far=2C it appears as though Boyd has the best towing solution for me.
Thanks for the suggestion=2C though.
Mike Welch
From: tclongo(at)att.net
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Tue=2C 5 Jan 2010 21:11:18 -0500
Depends on how high the fence is=2C he said opening is 27 feet wide=2C so i
f it is on a trailer the wing is up fairly high already=2C should not take
much lift on one side to clear and the other wing should have plenty of roo
m before it hits the ground.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m
atronics.com]On Behalf Of russ kinne
Sent: Tuesday=2C January 05=2C 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something?
On Jan 5=2C 2010=2C at 6:09 PM=2C Tom Longo wrote:
Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than $100
put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive in with
one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in=2C will take ju
st a few seconds to do so.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m
atronics.com]On Behalf Of zeprep251(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday=2C January 05=2C 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike=2C
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon=2C Jan 4=2C 2010 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys=2C
Okay=2C I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I got
=3B
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the gap w
as closer to 20-22'...hmmm=2C maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing=2C plus 36" for the cent
er section). However=2C if only ONE wing is folded=2C you'd have to add ab
out 3 feet for the landing gear=2C i.e....14' for one wing=2C plus 3' cente
r section=2C plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if
one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build=2C if
I went with a "one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper=2C scale the MkIII's outer
dimensions=2C scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mou
nt will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
Robert=2C
I thought of that=2C too. I think this has to be one of the front runner
s.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support
(from Uncle Craig's design)=2C and it has these padded wing pockets=2C this
may not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert=2C Mike
Date: Mon=2C 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird(at)cavediver.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the gate=2C
at no cost to you=2C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing
and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.
-- Robert
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now.
ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
- The Kolb-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Na
vigator?Kolb-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forum
s.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for y
our generous support! -Matt Dralle=2C List Adm
in. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution style="color: blue=3B t
ext-decoration: underline=3B ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">http://forums.matronics.comstyle=
"color: blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">http://www.matronics.com/co
ntribution
_________________________________________________________________
Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
FAA has recently stated that they want to eliminate through the gate
operations at airports. Can you imagine the government mandating that a
persons car must be parked on a expressway to be able to use it. Go
figure.>>
Do you think that the natural `authority must be wrong` attitude is a
bit overdone in this case.
Given the present security mad atmosphere would you be happy that anyone
could just roll up and push their plane through a hole in the hedge and
fly away. No control by the airport authority.
If someone did that and turned out to be an `evildoer` (lovely phrase,
could only have been invented by an American) all hell would break
loose and we should have more rgulations imposed than you could shake a
stick at.
Just a thought
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Mike
I would ask if you can widen the gate. Be nice but what is the worst
they can say?
I have hanger in Michigan that is about 6 inches wider than my plane. I
pull the plane in very slowly watching the wing tips and I scrap them
occasionally. You will be pulling the plane with a atv. You can do some
real damage if you get too close. How about setting some kind of flag or
something about a foot ahead of the nose and tail (on the ground or
mounted on the trailer) that will warn you that you are too close.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Tom,
Thanks for the suggestion, but here are some key points to consider.
I don't have any trailer to carry the Kolb at this time, so whatever
I come up with, I have to make.
That wouldn't a problem, I've made a couple "car carrier" trailers
in the past, but I don't want something that large. (actually, I have a
5 ton flatbed trailer for my backhoe, which I used to move my plane
here, but it's waaaay too heavy for my ATV!!)
Remember, I'm not trying to "tow" the plane very far, only 1/4 mile,
to at the end of my road. What I'm looking for is more like a "dolly"
than a true airplane trailer.
When I thought the gate clearance was 20-22 feet, I considered
building a trailer pretty close to what you have in mind. Doesn't look
like I need to go this route, though.
While I believe what you suggest will work, it would be MUCH more
complex to build than necessary. Especially, since I've mentioned my
plane is 23' 6" long...going through the 27' wide opening, and it can be
towed sideways.
So far, it appears as though Boyd has the best towing solution for
me.
Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Mike Welch
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: tclongo(at)att.net
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:11:18 -0500
Depends on how high the fence is, he said opening is 27 feet wide, so
if it is on a trailer the wing is up fairly high already, should not
take much lift on one side to clear and the other wing should have
plenty of room before it hits the ground.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of russ kinne
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:36 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Wouldn't the other wing hit the ground? Or have I missed something?
On Jan 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Tom Longo wrote:
Go to Harbor Freight and purchase a motorcycle/ATV lift for less than
$100 put one wheel on it while on the trailer then jack it up and drive
in with one wing over fence. Then let it down as soon as you are in,
will take just a few seconds to do so.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
zeprep251(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:58 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Mike,
Can you put the plane on a trailer at 45 degrees to the center line?
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Kolb guys,
Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements. Here's what I
got;
The gate opening is 27 feet. Posts are 9 foot tall. I thought the
gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.
My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the
center section). However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add
about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3'
center section, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide
overall (if one wing were folded) This would be slam dunk easy trailer
to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design".
I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's
outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal
trailer mount will work. More on this one later..
Thanks for everyone's input.
Mike Welch
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800
Robert,
I thought of that, too. I think this has to be one of the front
runners.
You know what? Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube
support
(from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets,
this may not be a bad idea.
Thanks Robert, Mike
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailer challenge
From: rlaird(at)cavediver.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Why not just fold one wing? It would then easily slip through the
gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up
the wing and gap seal.
Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other
solution.
-- Robert
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich target='_new'>Get it now.
ator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
- The Kolb-List Email Forum - -->
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - MATRONICS
WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List
Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support!
-Matt Dralle, List Admin. -->
http://www.matronics.com/contribution style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;
">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listblue; text-decoration:
underline; ">http://forums.matronics.comstyle="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Ge85/direct/01/' target='_new'>Sign
up now.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Good winter gloves |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more experience with
serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in Tennessee. Was out in the hangar
for a bit today, and could not keep my hands warm. Have several pairs of work
gloves, ski gloves, etc. and none of them are worth beans. Have about quit flying
during this part of the year because it's my hands that always get too cold
first.
Suggestions? Online sources to buy them?
Thanks
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15(at)juno.com> |
Richard,
These rechargeable gloves work pretty good.
http://www.herringtoncatalog.com/cs215.html
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
970 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
1 year flying it
110 hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280414#280414
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
Richard
For really cold weather wear mittens. Don't know exactly why but cheep
mittens work better than even the super insulated gloves. Better yet buy a
big pair of mittens and ware gloves under them. When you need to do small
work take the gloved hand out get it done them back in the mittens.
Rick Neilsen
Old fart but young enough to know how to keep warm in a cold Michigan
winter. I found the really best way is winter in Florida.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph B" <ul15(at)juno.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:33 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Good winter gloves
>
> Richard,
>
> These rechargeable gloves work pretty good.
>
> http://www.herringtoncatalog.com/cs215.html
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 970 hours
> 23 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 1 year flying it
> 110 hrs
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280414#280414
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
If you are flying a two stroke, why not put a heater in it. With the
heat captured out of the shroud of a 447 or 503 I could fly in 24
degrees with only the front enclosure and nothing behind me. If you go
to Cabela's for gloves I used the Kangaroo shooting gloves because I
didn't have to take them off to push buttons either on my radio or GPS.
I ran a heater (SCAT)tube in at the top of the windshield, and was
comfortable. Since I no longer have a two stroke, I bought a Chili vest
and use the Roo gloves, along with a silk scarf, (wild rag) and a
stocking hat over my headset.
Mittens do work because the mittens allow trapped air to warm.
Larry C
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Pike
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:20 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Good winter gloves
Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more
experience with serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in
Tennessee. Was out in the hangar for a bit today, and could not keep my
hands warm. Have several pairs of work gloves, ski gloves, etc. and none
of them are worth beans. Have about quit flying during this part of the
year because it's my hands that always get too cold first.
Suggestions? Online sources to buy them?
Thanks
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
01/06/10 07:35:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
I use insulated mittens with chemical handwarmers in each mitten. In really
cold weather, I use one chemical handwarmer in my palm and another on the
back of my hand. They last up to 6 hours and cost 99=A2 a pair here in Oreg
on.
Arty TrostSandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
=0A
=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
=0A Helen Keller
=0A
=0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Richard Pike wrote:
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Kolb-List: Good winter gloves
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 12:20 PM
Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more experience w
ith serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in Tennessee. Was out in th
e hangar for a bit today, and could not keep my hands warm. Have several pa
irs of work gloves, ski gloves, etc. and none of them are worth beans. Have
about quit flying during this part of the year because it's my hands that
always get too cold first.
Suggestions? Online sources to buy them?
Thanks
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Good winter gloves |
Richard=2C
Since you're such a nice guy=2C I'll tell you which gloves are the best g
loves in the world.
Neoprene gloves!! I bought a pair about 10 years ago=2C for working on
my house in the snow. They are the most comfortable gloves you can buy=2C
the good quality ones are "form fitted"=2C and keep your hands very warm.
I just bought a pair=2C and they arrived last Monday.
Get a pair=2C and I guarantee you'll love 'em.
http://cgi.ebay.com/SNORKELING-SCUBA-DIVING-GLOVES-neoprene-3MM_W0QQitemZ2
80444702971QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414bce90fb
Mike Welch
> Subject: Kolb-List: Good winter gloves
> From: richard(at)bcchapel.org
> Date: Wed=2C 6 Jan 2010 12:20:24 -0800
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more experience
with serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in Tennessee. Was out in
the hangar for a bit today=2C and could not keep my hands warm. Have severa
l pairs of work gloves=2C ski gloves=2C etc. and none of them are worth bea
ns. Have about quit flying during this part of the year because it's my han
ds that always get too cold first.
>
> Suggestions? Online sources to buy them?
>
> Thanks
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
another good word, picture
Doctor Evil stroking his cat and laughing hysterically while plotting
world
domination in his Kolb).>>
Hi Dana,
glorious picture. LOL
Don`t really want to start a big thing over this. I know that the
American thinks automatically, that anything which government or
`authority` does is suspect, and I have a certain sympathy with that
stance but in view of 9/11 etc., if |I was in charge I would certainly
want some control of aircraft and pushing an unregistered plane through
a hole in the hedge without any say so from the control tower would
worry me. If in the first instance I could only do it for airfields
which were receiving government funding, that would be the first step..
What damage they can do is largely irrelevant. I remember having to get
a Million pounds worth of insurance to fly my glider into an RAF
airfield because they maintained some stores there.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
We try to suppress misleading and inflammatory news about aviation
because of our exasperatingly ignorant press
and politicians. How many of us have groaned at the reading of a news
report that has but the slightest relation to reality
or common sense. -Stuff like: "the pilot took off without clearance" .
Yikes! we all do that every time we fly our Kolbs, but the
common public thinks we are on some kind of a leash like in Russia.
Problem is, dimwits like our very own NY senator
Schumer would like to have it that way. So we quietly wait one more
time for the nonsense to blow over.
BB
On 6, Jan 2010, at 7:04 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
> another good word, picture
> Doctor Evil stroking his cat and laughing hysterically while plotting
world
> domination in his Kolb).>>
>
> Hi Dana,
> glorious picture. LOL
>
> Don`t really want to start a big thing over this. I know that the
American thinks automatically, that anything which government or
`authority` does is suspect, and I have a certain sympathy with that
stance but in view of 9/11 etc., if |I was in charge I would certainly
want some control of aircraft and pushing an unregistered plane through
a hole in the hedge without any say so from the control tower would
worry me. If in the first instance I could only do it for airfields
which were receiving government funding, that would be the first step..
> What damage they can do is largely irrelevant. I remember having to
get a Million pounds worth of insurance to fly my glider into an RAF
airfield because they maintained some stores there.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Kolbra pilots...how tall is you plane? |
Hello Kolbsters,
Kolbra owners. My hanger plan is to buy a shipping container, fold my wings,
and roll in my Kolbra, when it is finished. The container width is seven and
a haft feet, so that is ok. But what I don't know is how tall this plane
will be. I know that on a three blade prop, the tips of the blades will be
the highest points. Your engine chooses, redrives, and tires sizes will be
variables, but I would be interested to know how tall you plane is .
Thank you for your help!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
Working on putting the Proto-type Kolbra back in the air!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
What control tower?>>
Hi Dana,
Of course you are right. I tend to forget the basic difference between
the USA and the UK which is SIZE. I think it would be difficult in the
UK to find even a farm strip which is not overlooked by someone . A
change in the pattern of use would probably be remarked on and noted.
Also we have no `flying communities` where you could taxi from your
house to the peri track.
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Not to prolong things>>
Hi Russ,
I am quite sure there are ramifications of which I am not aware. I was
really just noting that just because` authority` wants something done it
is not automatically bad.
I think the American `stand on your own feet` philosophy is wholly
admirable and the idea that `guv`ment interference` should be treated
with suspicion is great. The trouble is that at the other end of the
spectrum this means that a National Health Bill, which means that you
don`t have to sell your house before you can go into hospital, and which
most of the rest of the world accept as a basic tenet of a civilized
country is looked on as rank Communism in the USA.
Never mind, its the differences between countries and attitudes which
help to make this life interesting.
Off next week to Bangkok, and Cambodia, down the Mekong and then
Australia and then a month on the beach in New Zealand. That ought to
turn up a few different attitudes to life. Money for one with the
Cambodian Riel at 6,618 to the =A3.
Finished my anti cancer course of treatment last week so there is
nothing to be done before I get back to the UK in March. Then there will
be a biopsy and, depending on the result, I shall have some more
treatment or not. All without paying a penny.
The plane is laid up, drained, plugs out and `winterised`, wheels off
the ground and everything covered up. All ready to start flying again
in April, I hope.
Wx has been bad in the UK for the last 3 weeks. Scotland and the north
have had snow and temps below freezing. Not much by the standards of
some of your States but because we don`t get it very often we do not
have the infrastructure of machines standing by to deal with it. We have
been lucky locally. About 8 inches of snow a couple of nights ago but
today is cold and bright sun. Everything looks like a picture. Very icy,
last night temps down to 10 dgrees C below..
Wendy has bought a small `netbook` portable and various `dongles` which
I hope will mean we can stay in touch with the list while we are away.
All the best
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trailer challenge |
Stuff like: "the pilot took off without clearance" . >>
Hi Robert,
Yea! Shock, horror! No flight plan? No radio? This must be stopped!
The trouble is that the ignorant, particularly the press, is not
interested in improving their knowledge.
Many years ago when I was Secretary of my gliding club I got fed up with
every away landing being reported as a crash. I contacted the editors of
all our local papers and told them that if they wanted the pukka gen on
anything happening just give me a ring and I would give them an update.
None of them ever did. It is just too easy to run a headline about
`Crashed glider" than to check on the facts.
People!
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
If your body is cold for winter flying (actually, flying all the way to
Miama is cold) I have a great solution. Dont wear one of those overblown
puffed up snow mobile suits. I have what I think they call a helo artic
suit. It is designed exactly as a normal flight suit only it is packed with
some special ingrediant that keeps you warm no matter what. It is think,
maybe 1/4 inch thick and zippers all over it. Wind does not go through it.
Warm stays in. I used it when I had a Kobra (almost a quicksilver) rag and
tube plane. Flew down to 32 degress or more and NEVER got cold. Hands are
something else but there are lots of skiiing mits to fix that. If you want
pics, let me know. I stand about 5'7" and it used to fit good until I got
paunchy. I would say for someone up to 170 lbs or so. The first hundred
bucks takes it and I will ship it for free. Dont like it just hanging in my
closet. Let it get out there and fly again. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot
912ul. (yes, I still have my rum rum)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
General apology to the list. Mistakenly I sent to the entire list what
was supposed to be a personal post to Russ..
Grovelling apology.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Ted, diverging slightly from the string, re: the rum-rum. I also had a similar
effect which I have partially blamed
on a personal hearing defect. I have a blocked right eustachian tube which makes
background noise pulse in time
with my heartbeat. The sound became detectable long before the blockage. I do
intend to eventually see a doc about it.
BB
On 7, Jan 2010, at 6:49 AM, Ted Cowan wrote:
>
> If your body is cold for winter flying (actually, flying all the way to Miama
is cold) I have a great solution. Dont wear one of those overblown puffed up
snow mobile suits. I have what I think they call a helo artic suit. It is designed
exactly as a normal flight suit only it is packed with some special ingrediant
that keeps you warm no matter what. It is think, maybe 1/4 inch thick
and zippers all over it. Wind does not go through it. Warm stays in. I used
it when I had a Kobra (almost a quicksilver) rag and tube plane. Flew down
to 32 degress or more and NEVER got cold. Hands are something else but there
are lots of skiiing mits to fix that. If you want pics, let me know. I stand
about 5'7" and it used to fit good until I got paunchy. I would say for someone
up to 170 lbs or so. The first hundred bucks takes it and I will ship it
for free. Dont like it just hanging in my closet. Let it get out there and fly
again. Ted Cowan, Alabama, Slingshot 912ul. (yes, I still have my rum rum)
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Richard,
Contrary to the appearance of my overweight body, I have very skinny hands and
fingers which are super sensitive to both heat and cold; same for my feet and
toes.
In any case, for hands and fingers the best no hassle solution I've found is to
wear knit glove liners when it is cold and then put good gloves over them when
it gets really cold. I also have very good pair of mittens but they are not
as good as knit glove liners plus good gloves. My mittens have internal finger
holes in them which helps a bit. However, I once tried combining the knit glove
liners with the mittens. Bad idea. When removing the mittens the finger hole
lining in the mittens came out stuck to the knit liners and I had a hard time
getting them back in side where they belonged. Glove liners plus mittens without
the finger holes would probably work too but liners inside gloves gives you
more dexterity.
When working in a cold shop/hangar if I don't want the noise of a big torpedo heater,
then I use the washable knit gloves and a little milk-house heater for
warming my hands occasionally, when doing work that requires the better dexterity.
Thom in Buffalo
Balmy 25F this morning
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I don't have to.
- Albert Einstein
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280490#280490
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FSII covering continued |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Since some of the Kolbers asked for me to post pictures of the ongoing repair job,
here is the fuselage covering in it's almost finished condition.
Something I learned last night is how to get rid of those annoying little brown
bumps of sharp or prickly glue that form along the tubes after you work the fabric
down smooth with the hot iron. Just go over them quickly with the brush
full of MEK, just enough to wet the surface, and then rub them with your fingers.
They either smooth down or rub off.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280516#280516
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/plateinside_157.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/side2_162.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/side1_484.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/plateinside2_111.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FSII Covering continued |
- Keep the reports coming, Richard.- You are progressing nicely.- Wha
t weight fabric are you using on the cage?
-
-------------------------
-------------------- Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
-------------------- Windsor Locks,
Ct.
-------------------------
-------------------- FS 447- Can't
do Stits on the cage until spring.
-
-
-------------------------
--------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FSII covering continued |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Using 2.7 oz. Stits on the fuselage because we had some left over, and because
the fuselage gets the most abuse. Used double thickness on the floor where you
might put your feet and weight getting in or out. Using the last of the Poly-Tak
to attach it.
The rest of the airplane will be covered with uncertified 1.6 oz. dacron, attached
with Certified Coatings Sure Seam cement and then the tapes and any doping
overlaps etc. will be with Certified Coatings nitrate dope.
Then it all gets painted with latex. We are going for minimum weight and minimum
expense this time around.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280528#280528
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FSII covering continued |
- Richard- Is the FSII experimental class?- I wasn't aware that you cou
ld put 2 full layers on a wear surface.- How much weight difference betwe
en that and an aluminum floor plate?- By the way, how is Ed doing?
-
-------------------------
------------------- Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
------------------- Windsor Locks, Ct
.
-------------------------
------------------- FS 447
-------------------------
------------------- 36 degrees, beaut
iful day
-
-
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Kolb Mark III for sale |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
I have put my Mark III up for sale on Barnstormers. Plane has about 130 hours
on it, Rotax 503 DCDI, C gearbox, 64" 3 blade IVO prop and basic instruments.
Climbs 650 FPM solo and burns 3.5 GPH.Cruisee 60 mph.
Also has a enclosed trailer to go with. Asking $15,250
I will sell it without the trailer and or engine if someone is interested in the
airframe.
If anyone is interested Email me for more details, videos and pictures.
grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280538#280538
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FSII covering continued |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Ed is pretty much back to normal, his ankle is still swollen, but he is getting
around ok.
Yes, the FSII is Experimental. In it's first life it weighed 488 with the 582 and
all it's other assorted bells and whistles. (transponder, full day and night
vfr, bulletproof lexan floorboards, funky gap seal, etc) This time around, we
are hoping for MUCH less. It flew great before, can't imagine what it would
do if it was much lighter, but we plan to find out.
What I did to double layer the floor was just to apply one layer of fabric and
shrink it, iron the edges smooth around the tubes and then put a couple coats
of glue over the edges. Then laid another piece of fabric over the first, glued
the edges just like any other, just like when you lay the overlap from the upper
surface fabric of the wing over the fabric of the lower surface of the wing.
Then iron it and shrink it tight, and then lay the dope into it. The dope will
bond the two fabric pieces together and give you a flexible but very strong surface.
Then when you lay some floor carpet over it, you're good. Not sure what
it weighs, but I would guess less than aluminum, it's just two layers of fabric
and some dope.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280554#280554
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Pilot Cert Expiring ( Paper ) March 2010 |
| From: | "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Guys,
I don't know if you have already talked about this...?
Just thought I'd pass it along...
My Repairman's Cert is Plastic ( No SSN )
But My Pilot Lic is Paper ( With SSN )
The paper is expiring March... You need to replace it with Plastic...
Here are the links that talk about it... and the one to file for
a new one ( FREE )...
.
.
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
.
.
Here's the link, you need to do this!
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/
Dave Conrad
On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:03 PM, sstanroberts(at)aol.com wrote:
Anybody heard about the paper pilots lic expiring in March??
Stan
9052C
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/
pilot certficate expiration march 2010 - Google Search
--------
.
.
.
.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280655#280655
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Hi all
Too cold here in the valley to do much of anything except set in the
house and whine about the weather.--no heat in the shop-.
I put a 3/4 windshield on my firestar but still don't enjoy flying
when it's below 50F.
Started mounting the steel gear legs and large wheels and tires --a
la Larry Cotrell-- , I've had them for about a year , too lazy to put
them on.
It is a fairly large project what with adapting the A/C wheels to the
little matco brakes etc. also mounting a maule tail wheel.
Bent and straightened the aluminium ones often enough that it's
time to change.
My question is-- Anyone know what is a good toe in for a firestar 2 ?
Frank Goodnight
cold in Brownsville ,TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> My question is-- Anyone know what is a good toe in for a firestar 2 ?
>
> Frank Goodnight
Frank G/Gang:
When it comes to toe in, like a lot of things on our Kolbs, I believe it is
a matter of dealers choice.
Several things to remember when setting up main gear:
1 - Because of the design and material, there will be some slop in the
installation.
2 - When brakes are applied, the mains will tend to twist the legs and toe
in.
I set mine up with just a tad of toe in. How much is a tad? Not much.
Just enough to realize it is not neutral or toe out.
I have been pretty lucky and never suffered from adverse tire wear. My
buddy, John Williamson, used to scrub the tread off his tires in a short
time. However, the gear legs on the Kolbra were much, much longer than the
gear legs Brother Jim came up with on my MKIII. Total length of my legs is
24" with 18" exposed and 6" inside the gear leg socket. I don't get near
the twist and flex a standard MKIII leg gets.
I'm pretty much confined to the house. Beautiful clear blue sky and 23F.
Was 17F when I got up this morning. Too dad gummed cold for the Heart of
Dixie.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
Or, you can move the gate about 600 ft and then you can T.O & L all within the
front yard. (if you got the frontage).
Anyway for my next home that's my dream! :-)
Ron @ KFHU
===============
---- b young wrote:
============
Still, I do like the idea of raising the tail really high (over 10')....if
I ever needed to. Then I could go through the gate without having to just
squeeze through.
Mike Welch
When you get to the gate take some chalk and mark your tire position,,,
when you are happy with the location, take a can of spray paint and paint
a small dot, or row of dots.
I would envision a trailer with a long c channel for the tail wheel.
lift the tail wheel into the c channel.then push the plane back to the ramps
for the main gear, have them mounted on a pivot, or teeter totter 5 ft on
one side 1 ft on the other. with the plane on the ground the ramp ends
would hit the ground,,,, when the plane is on the trailer, the wheels
would be just past the pivot point of the ramp and hold the ramps off the
ground. You may only have to roll the plane up 4 inches or so for
clearance.
Boyd
--
kugelair.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
I would like to publicly thank Travis of TNK for his efforts on my
behalf in getting the CM gear legs heat treated. He went out of his
way to help me.
The folks at Kolb really try and treat their customers right, or
better than right. especially considering, they know that I have
already spent most of the
money I will ever spend with them.
Frank Goodnight
Brownsville, TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Good winter gloves |
Snowmobile gloves will take care of that. I had the same problem with the Harley.
Even at 45f flying that Pterodactyl scare machine got my hands numb with border
line hypothermia for the rest of the body.
---- Richard Pike wrote:
============
Got a question for you Kolbers who live up Nawth and have more experience with
serious deep-freeze weather than we do here in Tennessee. Was out in the hangar
for a bit today, and could not keep my hands warm. Have several pairs of work
gloves, ski gloves, etc. and none of them are worth beans. Have about quit flying
during this part of the year because it's my hands that always get too cold
first.
Suggestions? Online sources to buy them?
Thanks
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280410#280410
--
kugelair.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Frank, I concur.
Unfortunately, I've spent very little time at TNK, but the folk I met
there are top-notch; the very best of people. The world doesn't have
nearly enough like them.
All the best to you and TNK for 2010 and beyond.
Fair winds,
Russ K
On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:02 PM, frank.goodnight wrote:
>
>
>
> I would like to publicly thank Travis of TNK for his efforts on my
> behalf in getting the CM gear legs heat treated. He went out of
> his way to help me.
> The folks at Kolb really try and treat their customers right, or
> better than right. especially considering, they know that I have
> already spent most of the
> money I will ever spend with them.
>
> Frank Goodnight
> Brownsville, TX
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Comedy act for all Kolbers |
Wow,Wow & Wow again ! That guy can really fly that Cub. I've watched it
at least a dozen times now.
AV Web Flash, Jan 4, 2010 also has a link to that video including an
interview with Kyle Franklin about how hard it is to fly that routine. Go to:
_http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_KyleFranklin_A
irShowComedyAct_201761-1.html_
(http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_KyleFranklin_AirShowComedyAct_201761-1.html)
On a Kolb note, I just finished installing a much larger trim tab on the
aileron to counter a tendency for the left wing to go down. I had a small
metal tab before, but it just wasn't up to the job. I followed the Kolb
plan and used a piece of .063 Lexan. Now, if I can just get some decent
weather to test it out (it's 20F, light snow on the ground and windy). As per
the Kolb plan, If the tab is too large, I'll just trim some off until it
flies true.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 1/4/2010 7:01:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
undoctor(at)ptd.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: David Kulp _undoctor(at)ptd.net_
(mailto:undoctor(at)ptd.net)
Everyone!
My bro sent me this link. What a hoot!!! You'll love it.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
http://www.franklinairshow.com/Video/Comedy%202010%20Net.WMV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Frank,
If you pulled your plane into a trailer often,a little toe-in becomes a
lot of toe out when going backward,and it gets hard to pull like that.So
I tried for 0 when setting it up and it still handled fine.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 10:18 am
Subject: Kolb-List: toe-in
t>
Hi all
Too cold here in the valley to do much of anything except set in the house
and whine about the weather.--no heat in the shop-.
I put a 3/4 windshield on my firestar but still don't enjoy flying when it
's below 50F.
Started mounting the steel gear legs and large wheels and tires --a la La
rry Cotrell-- , I've had them for about a year , too lazy to put them on.
It is a fairly large project what with adapting the A/C wheels to the litt
le matco brakes etc. also mounting a maule tail wheel.
Bent and straightened the aluminium ones often enough that it's time to
change.
My question is-- Anyone know what is a good toe in for a firestar 2 ?
Frank Goodnight
cold in Brownsville ,TX
========================
============
========================
============
========================
============
========================
============
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | lawsuit against Kolb owner widow |
| From: | "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com> |
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_166175.asp
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280811#280811
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "kirkds" <kirkds(at)dishmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: lawsuit against Kolb owner widow |
Seems the wrong brother died in the crash.
----- Original Message -----
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:57 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: lawsuit against Kolb owner widow
>
> http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_166175.asp
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280811#280811
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | MV date decided yet? |
John H -I think you were asking folks which weekend would work best for the MV
fly-in this year. Have you had any responses? Has a decision been made? I'm hoping
to be there - and want to be sure my calendar is clear for which-ever weekend
is decided on. (Right now it makes no difference.)
Arty TrostMaxair DrifterSandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MV date decided yet? |
Hi Arty/Gang:
The 2010 Unplanned/Unorgnized Kolb Flyin Monument Valley, Utah will be
held from Friday, 21 May until Sunday, 23 May 2010.
Normally, we get there sometime on Thursday. If you want to get there a
week early, that's ok too. If you want to stay late, that's ok, but
most of us will be heading out for other places, and home, on Sunday
morning. I'll be flying to the Rock House, 7 miles south of Burns
Junction, Oregon, along with anybody else that wants to tag along. Last
year there were four of us that flew from MV, and joined up with three
more Kolbs at Larry and Karen Cottrell's. Needless to say, we had a
grand and exciting time. Amazing at the varied inclement weather
conditions that can be handed out by Mother Nature in the SE corner of
Oregon. On the other hand, she can also hand out some beautiful flying
days to take advantage of that part of our great country.
Glad to hear Arty is going to join us again, even though she flies one
of those other ultralights. ;-)
BTW: Everyone is welcome at our flyin, no matter what you fly or how
you get there. Remember though, some of us fly as much as 20 hours to
get there, so if we aren't ready to jump back in the air and fly circles
around MV, it is because we are getting old and lazy, and still have 50
or more hours to fly before we get back home.
I am looking forward to this year's flyin. Hope to see all of you
there.
john h
mkIII
I think you were asking folks which weekend would work best for
the MV fly-in this year. Have you had any responses? Has a decision been
made? I'm hoping to be there - and want to be sure my calendar is clear
for which-ever weekend is decided on. (Right now it makes no
difference.)
Arty Trost
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MV date decided yet? |
I want to add that if anyone is so inclined, they are also welcome at
the Rock House afterward. There is plenty of space for planes and
people.
Larry Cottrell
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV date decided yet?
Hi Arty/Gang:
The 2010 Unplanned/Unorgnized Kolb Flyin Monument Valley, Utah will be
held from Friday, 21 May until Sunday, 23 May 2010.
Normally, we get there sometime on Thursday. If you want to get there
a week early, that's ok too. If you want to stay late, that's ok, but
most of us will be heading out for other places, and home, on Sunday
morning. I'll be flying to the Rock House, 7 miles south of Burns
Junction, Oregon, along with anybody else that wants to tag along. Last
year there were four of us that flew from MV, and joined up with three
more Kolbs at Larry and Karen Cottrell's. Needless to say, we had a
grand and exciting time. Amazing at the varied inclement weather
conditions that can be handed out by Mother Nature in the SE corner of
Oregon. On the other hand, she can also hand out some beautiful flying
days to take advantage of that part of our great country.
Glad to hear Arty is going to join us again, even though she flies one
of those other ultralights. ;-)
BTW: Everyone is welcome at our flyin, no matter what you fly or how
you get there. Remember though, some of us fly as much as 20 hours to
get there, so if we aren't ready to jump back in the air and fly circles
around MV, it is because we are getting old and lazy, and still have 50
or more hours to fly before we get back home.
I am looking forward to this year's flyin. Hope to see all of you
there.
john h
mkIII
I think you were asking folks which weekend would work best
for the MV fly-in this year. Have you had any responses? Has a decision
been made? I'm hoping to be there - and want to be sure my calendar is
clear for which-ever weekend is decided on. (Right now it makes no
difference.)
Arty Trost
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
01/09/10 19:35:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MV date decided yet? |
Will the ice be melted at the Rock House by May?
I am going to have to take an ice pick with me to Gantt International
and chip my mkIII out of the hanger if I am going to attempt aviation
tomorrow. If it stays in the 30's, I ain't gonna go.
john h
mkIII
DO NOT ATTEMPT
I want to add that if anyone is so inclined, they are also welcome at
the Rock House afterward. There is plenty of space for planes and
people.
Larry Cottrell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MV date decided yet? |
I will guarantee that the ice will be melted and the wind no more than 6
to 10 down the runway!
Larry
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV date decided yet?
Will the ice be melted at the Rock House by May?
I am going to have to take an ice pick with me to Gantt International
and chip my mkIII out of the hanger if I am going to attempt aviation
tomorrow. If it stays in the 30's, I ain't gonna go.
john h
mkIII
DO NOT ATTEMPT
I want to add that if anyone is so inclined, they are also welcome
at the Rock House afterward. There is plenty of space for planes and
people.
Larry Cottrell
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
01/09/10 19:35:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
This is an amazing tale - and unless someone went to an awful lot of troubl
e to doctor the pics, probably true.-
www.thehulltruth.com/dockside-chat/260677-duct-tape-story.html
Enjoy!
Arty
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
=0A
=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
=0A Helen Keller
=0A
=0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carlos" <grageda(at)innw.net> |
Hi Arty,
I hope this new year find you and yours happy and well. Unfortunately
the Iink you have provided doesnt seem to work. :(
Best Regards
Carlos Grageda
Enjoying life at the edge of Washington, ... well sorta... maybe... LOL
----- Original Message -----
From: TheWanderingWench
To: Arty Trost
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 9:57 PM
This is an amazing tale - and unless someone went to an awful
lot of trouble to doctor the pics, probably true.
www.thehulltruth.com/dockside-chat/260677-duct-tape-story.html
Enjoy!
Arty
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at
death."
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: MV date decided yet? |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> The 2010 Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin Monument Valley, Utah will be held
from Friday, 21 May until Sunday, 23 May 2010.
>
>
With the discussions concerning this year's Monument Valley gathering, it was a
good time to update the material from past years. Take a look.... might be the
incentive to go if you hadn't planned on it.....
Added the miscellaneous material received from a couple of people for 2006. Not
very organized (goes with the event).
Also added material that John Hauck sent me for 2009. A little better organized.
If any of you have material from any of the years and want it added, send it on
to me. Pictures with words to go with them would be great.
And for those of you that do make it this year, send the stuff and we'll put it
up too.
Click on http://gtalexander.home.att.net and then "Monument Valley Gatherings"
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280993#280993
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark II for sale |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
Husband said, "Are you SURE you want to sell it?" I said, "No! I'm not sure!"
He said, "You won't be pregnant forever." That meant I had the green light from
him to keep it (and my son had been begging me to keep it). When I went to
mom's her preacher preached about being careful not to make permanent decisions
for temporary situations, not sure what he was alluding to but I applied to
it to my situation.
So Merry Dawn was officially taken off the market yesterday. I'm keeping her!
:)
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281008#281008
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark II for sale |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
cristalclear13 wrote:
> Husband said, "Are you SURE you want to sell it?" I said, "No! I'm not sure!"
He said, "You won't be pregnant forever." That meant I had the green light
from him to keep it (and my son had been begging me to keep it). When I went
to mom's her preacher preached about being careful not to make permanent decisions
for temporary situations, not sure what he was alluding to but I applied
to it to my situation.
>
> So Merry Dawn was officially taken off the market yesterday. I'm keeping her!
:)
Whew.... excellent idea ;).
You'll hear that right now is a particularly bad time to try to sell an aircraft,
but actually, I don't think there's ever going to be a good time to sell one
come around again for a very long time. If ever.
Particularly for really high quality planes like the Kolb - the replacement costs
are simply skyrocketing and don't show any signs of reversing and coming back
down.
It's cheaper to just keep it even if you have to store it for a while - that didn't
used to be true but it is now.
Unless it's got a problem, is a real mismatch for your mission or you have/want
to give up flying, selling kind of doesn't make any sense anymore....
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281022#281022
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MV date decided yet? |
> With the discussions concerning this year's Monument Valley gathering, it
was a good time to update the material from past years. Take a look....
might be the incentive to go if you hadn't planned on it.....
>
> Added the miscellaneous material received from a couple of people for
> 2006. Not very organized (goes with the event).
> Click on http://gtalexander.home.att.net and then "Monument Valley
> Gatherings"
>
> --------
> George Alexander
George/Gang:
A special pat on the back for the time and hard work you volunteer to do to
keep Kolb history.
If you all have captions for the photos George has posted to his web site,
please send them to him. I am the laziest of that bunch, but through
George's goading, I have gotten captions for last year's MV Flyin, and will
have some more soon for the 2006 MV Flyin. Those captions are as important
as the photos.
john h
mkIII - 11F with a warming trend on the way.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark II for sale |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
YAY!! I am happy for you in BOTH ways !!
:D
chris ambrose
M3x/jABIRU
N327CS 89.0 hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281031#281031
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- John- You mentioned that it was 11 degrees down there this morning.-
What is the freeze temperature on your coolant?- 912 series engines are t
oo expensive to have freeze. -Don't forget the other vehicles!
-
-------------------------
------------------------ Bi
ll Sullivan
-------------------------
------------------------ Wi
ndsor Locks, Ct.
-------------------------
-------------------------
FS 447
-------------------------
------------------------ 34
degrees and clear
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Hope it is higher than 11F. ;-)
john h
mkIII
John- You mentioned that it was 11 degrees down there this
morning. What is the freeze temperature on your coolant? 912 series
engines are too expensive to have freeze. Don't forget the other
vehicles!
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks,
Ct.
FS 447
34 degrees and
clear
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
John=2C
You mean "lower" than 11F. You hope the coolant will freeze lower than 1
1F. We knew what you meant=2C tho
Mike Welch
Drained ALL coolant out of my diesel air compressor just to make sure it di
dn't freeze. It got down to zero a couple days ago.
From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Weather
Date: Mon=2C 11 Jan 2010 14:13:56 -0600
Hope it is higher than 11F. =3B-)
john h
mkIII
John- You mentioned that it was 11 degrees down there this morning. What
is the freeze temperature on your coolant? 912 series engines are too exp
ensive to have freeze. Don't forget the other vehicles!
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks=2C Ct.
FS 447
34 degrees and clear
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb List Refusal to Accept E-mail |
Kolbers,
Evidently matronics.com uses a service provided by barracudacentral.com
called "Barracuda Reputation" than rates IP addresses and offers a service
that lets one block IP address that pass too much spam, etc, etc. This may
seem like a good idea to block IP addresses that pass a high rate of spam
etc. but it is some what insidious in that when you block an IP address you
shut down all other communication. In this case I could not email the List
or Matt about the problem.
I Googled and called Barracuda. I asked it they directly contacted the
owner of the IP address that was causing problems, and the answer was no
they do not. They just compile the data and let their customers decide what
to do. They are only providing information and a means for others to take
action there for they can suffer no liability or responsibility. The upshot
is that when Matronics and others, who use this service, they also close
down the passage of legitimate information as well as the spammers etc. that
pass through a problem IP address.
If you get a message like the one below, call Barracuda at 408-342-5400.
They will give you a case number and call you back. When they call, express
some displeasure at the ham fisted approach to knocking you off your
favorite list and ask them to notify the owner of the offending IP address.
In a couple of hours the block will be removed. Also contact your email
provider and let them know that one of their IP addresses is being blocked.
This gives the provider a chance to check and clean out the server.
I know the internet pipe line is under attack. Since it does not
discriminate between the spam, and the legitimate user, IP address blocking
is not the answer. It is much like blocking the flow of water or
electricity because one person on the system did not pay their bill.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:23:37 -0500 (EST)
From: MAILER-DAEMON(at)s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com (Mail Delivery System)
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
Auto-Submitted: auto-replied
This is the mail system at host s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
For further assistance, please send mail to
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.
The mail system
: host barracuda.matronics.com[64.81.74.21] said: 554
Service unavailable; Client host [s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com] blocked
using Barracuda Reputation;
http://bbl.barracudacentral.com/q.cgi?ip=69.89.182.162 (in reply to end of
DATA command)
Reporting-MTA: dns; s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 88C674202CD
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net
Arrival-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:23:35 -0500 (EST)
Final-Recipient: rfc822; kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Original-Recipient: rfc822;kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; barracuda.matronics.com
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 Service unavailable; Client host
[s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com] blocked using Barracuda Reputation;
http://bbl.barracudacentral.com/q.cgi?ip=69.89.182.162
Received: from y6s7o5 (unknown [69.89.182.162])
by s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 88C674202CD
X-Sender: jbhart(at)mail.onlyinternet.net
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:45:52 -0500
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: toe-in
In-Reply-To: <028EBFA3-247C-4587-99B0-9EEB9753BB57(at)att.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>My question is-- Anyone know what is a good toe in for a firestar 2 ?
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Have hope. Four days ago the temps here in SE Kansas were in the minus
single digits with wind chills at almost minus 30. Today it's almost 50.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> John,
>
> You mean "lower" than 11F. You hope the coolant will freeze *lower*than 11F.
We knew what you meant, tho
>
> Mike Welch
> Drained ALL coolant out of my diesel air compressor just to make sure it
> didn't freeze. It got down to zero a couple days ago.
>
> ------------------------------
> From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Weather
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:13:56 -0600
>
>
> Hope it is higher than 11F. ;-)
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> John- You mentioned that it was 11 degrees down there this morning.
> What is the freeze temperature on your coolant? 912 series engines are too
> expensive to have freeze. Don't forget the other vehicles!
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
> 34 degrees and clear
>
> **
>
> *
>
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listronics.comww.matronics.com/contribution
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb List Refusal to Accept E-mail |
I can understand your frustration, but you might want to contact your
ISP, too. They control what flows through their IP address. If Barracuda
is right about the amount of spam coming from that IP address, I'd be
concerned about using them for my email service. Serving abusive
spammers doesn't say much for the ISP's ethics.
Charlie
On 1/11/2010 3:07 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart"
>
> Kolbers,
>
> Evidently matronics.com uses a service provided by barracudacentral.com
> called "Barracuda Reputation" than rates IP addresses and offers a service
> that lets one block IP address that pass too much spam, etc, etc. This may
> seem like a good idea to block IP addresses that pass a high rate of spam
> etc. but it is some what insidious in that when you block an IP address you
> shut down all other communication. In this case I could not email the List
> or Matt about the problem.
>
> I Googled and called Barracuda. I asked it they directly contacted the
> owner of the IP address that was causing problems, and the answer was no
> they do not. They just compile the data and let their customers decide what
> to do. They are only providing information and a means for others to take
> action there for they can suffer no liability or responsibility. The upshot
> is that when Matronics and others, who use this service, they also close
> down the passage of legitimate information as well as the spammers etc. that
> pass through a problem IP address.
>
> If you get a message like the one below, call Barracuda at 408-342-5400.
> They will give you a case number and call you back. When they call, express
> some displeasure at the ham fisted approach to knocking you off your
> favorite list and ask them to notify the owner of the offending IP address.
> In a couple of hours the block will be removed. Also contact your email
> provider and let them know that one of their IP addresses is being blocked.
> This gives the provider a chance to check and clean out the server.
>
> I know the internet pipe line is under attack. Since it does not
> discriminate between the spam, and the legitimate user, IP address blocking
> is not the answer. It is much like blocking the flow of water or
> electricity because one person on the system did not pay their bill.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:23:37 -0500 (EST)
> From: MAILER-DAEMON(at)s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com (Mail Delivery System)
> Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
> To: jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net
> Auto-Submitted: auto-replied
>
> This is the mail system at host s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com.
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>
> The mail system
>
> : host barracuda.matronics.com[64.81.74.21] said: 554
> Service unavailable; Client host [s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com] blocked
> using Barracuda Reputation;
> http://bbl.barracudacentral.com/q.cgi?ip=69.89.182.162 (in reply to end of
> DATA command)
> Reporting-MTA: dns; s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com
> X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 88C674202CD
> X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net
> Arrival-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:23:35 -0500 (EST)
>
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Original-Recipient: rfc822;kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Remote-MTA: dns; barracuda.matronics.com
> Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 Service unavailable; Client host
> [s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com] blocked using Barracuda Reputation;
> http://bbl.barracudacentral.com/q.cgi?ip=69.89.182.162
> Received: from y6s7o5 (unknown [69.89.182.162])
> by s6mqueue.hosts.gabmidwest.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 88C674202CD
> Message-Id:<3.0.6.32.20100108144552.007dc7c0(at)mail.onlyinternet.net>
> X-Sender: jbhart(at)mail.onlyinternet.net
> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:45:52 -0500
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> From: "Jack B. Hart"<jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: toe-in
> In-Reply-To:<028EBFA3-247C-4587-99B0-9EEB9753BB57(at)att.net>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> At 09:18
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb List Refusal to Accept E-mail |
I was having the same problem, I sent Matt an E-mail and he fixed it for
me. Lanny FSII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb List Refusal to Accept E-mail |
Matt ran his weasel message a short time back, wonder if that had
something to do with it. I don't recall seeing it having been run
for some time. It is a operation to detect bogus email addresses
spammer have used to subscribe to his mail list so they can post spam
messages - because the weasel message bounces back if it is a bogus
address it deletes that subscribed address from the list. It tells
you not to replay back, if you did you may have had your address
automatically deleted.
jerb
At 03:47 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
>
>I was having the same problem, I sent Matt an E-mail and he fixed it
>for me. Lanny FSII
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark II for sale |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Cristal,
Great news there! The world needs more Kolb flyin' Mamas. Good for you!
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281145#281145
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark II for sale |
| From: | "robcannon" <leecannon(at)telus.net> |
Kolb flyin' Mama...........yeah.........sounds good to me
Where can I git me wunna dem ? [Wink]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281173#281173
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | finding Kolb photos |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
This may be old hat to some of you but it was a great find for me.
I just discovered Google Images http://images.google.com/ is an easy way to find photos and other images of Kolb aircraft that have been posted virtually anywhere on the internet. Go to the link I just provided and type in Kolb Aircraft and to see what I mean. I then typed in Kolb Slingshot and got a lot of Kolb Slingshot photos but also some slingshot weapons so I then put Kolb Slingshot inside quotes "kolb slingshot" and it narrowed it down to only the aircraft, including several of my slingshot.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I don't have to.
- Albert Einstein
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281175#281175
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | daniel myers <h20maule(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb Technical Site |
The SeaRey community has a myfamily.com webiste that is specifically used f
or technical questions=2C photos=2C advice and information that is useful t
o aviators that own a SeaRey or a SeaRey kit. It is a great tool for anyone
with a SeaRey. I highly recommend that the Kolb community uses this websit
e. It has helped me a whole lot. It is approx $100 per year=2C but is quick
ly paid off with small donations...
Fly safe!
Daniel Myers
FS II (sold)
SeaRey
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MV date decided yet? |
John
Happy 2010, and I hope your 'warming trend' has arrived. Nothing
colder than a warm state that gets a sudden cold snap.
I've near-fruz in Pensacola more than once. I feel sorry for the
many people, and kids, who don't have warm clothes or any insulaion
in their houses.
But you have thoughts of MV10 to keep you warm!
Fair winds,
Russ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com> |
I've got a series or parallel question about installing a facet boost pump. I'm
planning on intalling a facet pump between my fuel tank and the he mikuni engine
pump. I'm doing it in series just to keep it simple. If the facet fails
it should still flow thru so the mikuni will be able to draw fuel from the tank.
But what if the mikuni fails? Will it flow thru and allow the boost pump fuel
to get to the carbs? Those of you with similar systems I'd appreciate your
advice.
Mark Rinehart
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 fuel system |
> I've got a series or parallel question about installing a facet boost
pump. I'm planning on intalling a facet pump between my fuel tank and the
he mikuni engine pump. I'm doing it in series just to keep it simple. If
the facet fails it should still flow thru so the mikuni will be able to draw
fuel from the tank. But what if the mikuni fails? Will it flow thru and
allow the boost pump fuel to get to the carbs? Those of you with similar
systems I'd appreciate your advice.
>
> Mark Rinehart
Mike R/Gang:
You'll get all kinds of responses to this one.
I started using two mikuni fuel pumps on my first Kolb, an Ultrastar. The
Cuyuna ULII02 had two crank case pressure ports, one for each cylinder. I
ran the Mikunis, one off each port, in series.
Used a back up Facet Electronic boost pump in my 447 powered Firestar
plumbed in series with excellent results. The Mikuni pulled fuel through
the Facet when the Facet was shut down, normally at all times except during
take off, landing, and low level flight.
For the last 3,000 hours (minus 12) I have used a Facet and Mikuni or engine
driven pump plumbed in series on my MKIII with no problems encountered.
Usually, if a Mikuni pulse pump fails, it will be one of two little ears on
the diaphragm that serve as the intake and outlet valves. I know of no
Mikuni diaphragm that has failed to allow fuel to be pumped through it and
outside the pump.
I like the fuel pump plumbed in series. Works for me.
You'll have to choose which way you want to go.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Longo" <tclongo(at)att.net> |
Yes it will, the Mikuni will flow through if it fails to pump also and let
the boost pump keep you flying.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of mark rinehart
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:06 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 fuel system
I've got a series or parallel question about installing a facet boost pump.
I'm planning on intalling a facet pump between my fuel tank and the he
mikuni engine pump. I'm doing it in series just to keep it simple. If the
facet fails it should still flow thru so the mikuni will be able to draw
fuel from the tank. But what if the mikuni fails? Will it flow thru and
allow the boost pump fuel to get to the carbs? Those of you with similar
systems I'd appreciate your advice.
Mark Rinehart
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
07:35:00
--
We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam.
The Professional version does not have this message
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 fuel system |
At 12:05 PM 1/13/2010, mark rinehart wrote:
>
>I've got a series or parallel question about installing a facet boost
>pump. I'm planning on intalling a facet pump between my fuel tank and the
>he mikuni engine pump. I'm doing it in series just to keep it simple. If
>the facet fails it should still flow thru so the mikuni will be able to
>draw fuel from the tank. But what if the mikuni fails? Will it flow thru
>and allow the boost pump fuel to get to the carbs? Those of you with
>similar systems I'd appreciate your advice.
If the Mikuni pump's check valves fail, the boost pump will pump fuel
through the pump and keep the engine running. OTOH, if the Mikuni's
diaphragm fails, the boost pump will pump fuel back up the pulse line and
fill the crankcase.
-Dana
--
No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message. However, a
rather large number of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Mark and Kolb guys=2C
I'm curious. I don't have much experience with diaphram pumps and all=2C
but it seems odd to want to design a series fuel pumping system. I mean
=2C I know a series system would work great and all....but how would you kn
ow you lost one of the pumps=2C if the other pump can do all the work?
Let's say=2C for example=2C the last flight you had=2C your primary pump
blew out=2C and the backup kept you flying=2C how would you know??? You'd
be toolin' along thinking you had both pumpers up to snuff=2C but you would
n't.
Unless you verified each and every flight that BOTH pumps were operating
fine=2C you could be relying a false sense of security. Wouldn't you?
If it were me=2C and maybe that's just my way of thinking=2C I think I wo
uld like a parallel fuel system. Here why I think this=3B if my primary s
ystem failed=2C it would kick on the backup system (and a big bright red pa
nel light). The light would alert me that the primary pump needs attention
=2C and when I landed=2C I could take care of the problem=2C but in the mea
ntime=2C my backup is doing it's job.
For a parallel design=2C a primary system could easily have a low-pressur
e switch ($30 McMaster Carr) that if activated (due to a zero or very low f
uel pressure)=2C it would turn on the backup pump.
This method is close to how my turbo "high fuel delivery" fuel system is
designed and operated.
I realize a series fuel system=2C with two fuel pumps=2C CAN work. I kno
w that. But=2C how would you know that every flight both are working prope
rly?
Just some thoughts on the matter.......
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
> I've got a series or parallel question about installing a facet boost pum
p. I'm planning on intalling a facet pump between my fuel tank and the he m
ikuni engine pump. I'm doing it in series just to keep it simple. If the fa
cet fails it should still flow thru so the mikuni will be able to draw fuel
from the tank. But what if the mikuni fails? Will it flow thru and allow t
he boost pump fuel to get to the carbs? Those of you with similar systems I
'd appreciate your advice.
>
> Mark Rinehart
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 fuel system |
Mike
Your system sounds great and should work well but I like to keep things
simple.
My fuel system requires a electric fuel pump. I have two electric pumps
in series, one is driven by the ignition circuit. The secondary pump by
separate switched circuit. My starting routine is prime the fuel system
using the back up pump. I watch the fuel flow through a short piece of
transparent fuel line till the float bowls are full. I then turn off the
secondary system and start the engine. I can see fuel flow and hear the
faucet pump running when I turn on the back up pump. I know the back up
pump test works because the faucet pump died a few years back and its
need for replacement was very noticeable. I can hear the primary pump
running when the ignition is turned on. I also know if the primary pump
fails the engine will quit fairly quick and while still on the ground. I
had to disconnect the primary pump power wires to test this. Before
takeoff or landing I turn on the back up pump.
It works for me.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: 582 fuel system
Mark and Kolb guys,
I'm curious. I don't have much experience with diaphram pumps and
all, but it seems odd to want to design a series fuel pumping system. I
mean, I know a series system would work great and all....but how would
you know you lost one of the pumps, if the other pump can do all the
work?
Let's say, for example, the last flight you had, your primary pump
blew out, and the backup kept you flying, how would you know??? You'd
be toolin' along thinking you had both pumpers up to snuff, but you
wouldn't.
Unless you verified each and every flight that BOTH pumps were
operating fine, you could be relying a false sense of security.
Wouldn't you?
If it were me, and maybe that's just my way of thinking, I think I
would like a parallel fuel system. Here why I think this; if my
primary system failed, it would kick on the backup system (and a big
bright red panel light). The light would alert me that the primary pump
needs attention, and when I landed, I could take care of the problem,
but in the meantime, my backup is doing it's job.
For a parallel design, a primary system could easily have a
low-pressure switch ($30 McMaster Carr) that if activated (due to a zero
or very low fuel pressure), it would turn on the backup pump.
This method is close to how my turbo "high fuel delivery" fuel
system is designed and operated.
I realize a series fuel system, with two fuel pumps, CAN work. I
know that. But, how would you know that every flight both are working
properly?
Just some thoughts on the matter.......
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
> I've got a series or parallel question about installing a facet
boost pump. I'm planning on intalling a facet pump between my fuel tank
and the he mikuni engine pump. I'm doing it in series just to keep it
simple. If the facet fails it should still flow thru so the mikuni will
be able to draw fuel from the tank. But what if the mikuni fails? Will
it flow thru and allow the boost pump fuel to get to the carbs? Those of
you with similar systems I'd appreciate your advice.
>
> Mark Rinehart
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Hotmail: Free, trusted and r01/' target='_new'>Get it now.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 582 fuel system |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
capt_riney(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> I've got a series or parallel question about installing a facet boost pump.
I'm planning on intalling a facet pump between my fuel tank and the he mikuni
engine pump. I'm doing it in series just to keep it simple. If the facet fails
it should still flow thru so the mikuni will be able to draw fuel from the tank.
But what if the mikuni fails? Will it flow thru and allow the boost pump
fuel to get to the carbs? Those of you with similar systems I'd appreciate your
advice.
>
> Mark Rinehart
There's generally little advantage to adding the electric pump and a couple of
disadvantages. The mikuni pneumatic pumps are exceedingly reliable and, in a Kolb
installation, provide plenty of vacuum to draw the fuel up from the tank to
the engine.
The primary disadvantages are, in my view, enough to decide against adding the
boost pump:
- the electric pumps add a small amount of drag when off from the check valve.
- additional complexity is added in the form of the electrics, the switch, the
additional procedures to follow for its use.
- more troubleshooting needed when there is a fuel draw problem, as you've already
pretty much correctly alluded to here ;).
As I said, the pneumatic pumps are exceptionally reliable and when simply used
by themselves yeild the simplest and easy to use/maintain system. I've used them
for years and many hundreds of hours and have never had one fail.
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281325#281325
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Rick N.=2C
The design of your system sounds like I was asking about. Your ability t
o verify each pump=2C prior to each flight=2C is the kind of assure I was w
ondering about. It appears as though you have everything covered.
But=2C Rick=2C is your fuel delivery a true "series" design?
Mike Welch
From: NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 fuel system
Date: Wed=2C 13 Jan 2010 15:12:13 -0500
Mike
Your system sounds great and should work well but I like to keep things sim
ple.
My fuel system requires a electric fuel pump. I have two electric pumps in
series=2C one is driven by the ignition circuit. The secondary pump by sepa
rate switched circuit. My starting routine is prime the fuel system using t
he back up pump. I watch the fuel flow through a short piece of transparent
fuel line till the float bowls are full. I then turn off the secondary sys
tem and start the engine. I can see fuel flow and hear the faucet pump runn
ing when I turn on the back up pump. I know the back up pump test works bec
ause the faucet pump died a few years back and its need for replacement was
very noticeable. I can hear the primary pump running when the ignition is
turned on. I also know if the primary pump fails the engine will quit fair
ly quick and while still on the ground. I had to disconnect the primary pum
p power wires to test this. Before takeoff or landing I turn on the back up
pump.
It works for me.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
Sent: Wednesday=2C January 13=2C 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: 582 fuel system
Mark and Kolb guys=2C
I'm curious. I don't have much experience with diaphram pumps and all=2C
but it seems odd to want to design a series fuel pumping system. I mean
=2C I know a series system would work great and all....but how would you kn
ow you lost one of the pumps=2C if the other pump can do all the work?
Let's say=2C for example=2C the last flight you had=2C your primary pump
blew out=2C and the backup kept you flying=2C how would you know??? You'd
be toolin' along thinking you had both pumpers up to snuff=2C but you would
n't.
Unless you verified each and every flight that BOTH pumps were operating
fine=2C you could be relying a false sense of security. Wouldn't you?
If it were me=2C and maybe that's just my way of thinking=2C I think I wo
uld like a parallel fuel system. Here why I think this=3B if my primary s
ystem failed=2C it would kick on the backup system (and a big bright red pa
nel light). The light would alert me that the primary pump needs attention
=2C and when I landed=2C I could take care of the problem=2C but in the mea
ntime=2C my backup is doing it's job.
For a parallel design=2C a primary system could easily have a low-pressur
e switch ($30 McMaster Carr) that if activated (due to a zero or very low f
uel pressure)=2C it would turn on the backup pump.
This method is close to how my turbo "high fuel delivery" fuel system is
designed and operated.
I realize a series fuel system=2C with two fuel pumps=2C CAN work. I kno
w that. But=2C how would you know that every flight both are working prope
rly?
Just some thoughts on the matter.......
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
> I've got a series or parallel question about installing a facet boost pum
p. I'm planning on intalling a facet pump between my fuel tank and the he m
ikuni engine pump. I'm doing it in series just to keep it simple. If the fa
cet fails it should still flow thru so the mikuni will be able to draw fuel
from the tank. But what if the mikuni fails? Will it flow thru and allow t
he boost pump fuel to get to the carbs? Those of you with similar systems I
'd appreciate your advice.
>
> Mark Rinehart
Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and r01/' target='_new'>Get it now.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?Kolb-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 582 fuel system |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Mike, Richard, et al, I run a Facet in parallel in both my aircraft. I know
it's running when I turn it on before start up by its thumping. I turn it
off to taxi and if the engine dies I know I have a problem with the
pneumatic pump. Once I do a runup and check the mags, I turn the Facet back
on for take off. When I reach my cruising altitude I turn it off until I'm
back in the pattern. I turn it on again for landing. If I'm just staying in
the pattern I leave it on. Never had a problem with either aircraft.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> Rick N.,
>
> The design of your system sounds like I was asking about. Your ability
> to verify each pump, prior to each flight, is the kind of assure I was
> wondering about. It appears as though you have everything covered.
>
> But, Rick, is your fuel delivery a true "series" design?
>
> Mike Welch
>
> ------------------------------
> From: NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 fuel system
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:12:13 -0500
>
> Mike
>
> Your system sounds great and should work well but I like to keep things
> simple.
>
> My fuel system requires a electric fuel pump. I have two electric pumps in
> series, one is driven by the ignition circuit. The secondary pump by
> separate switched circuit. My starting routine is prime the fuel system
> using the back up pump. I watch the fuel flow through a short piece of
> transparent fuel line till the float bowls are full. I then turn off the
> secondary system and start the engine. I can see fuel flow and hear the
> faucet pump running when I turn on the back up pump. I know the back up
> pump test works because the faucet pump died a few years back and its need
> for replacement was very noticeable. I can hear the primary pump running
> when the ignition is turned on. I also know if the primary pump fails the
> engine will quit fairly quick and while still on the ground. I had to
> disconnect the primary pump power wires to test this. Before takeoff or
> landing I turn on the back up pump.
>
> It works for me.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mike Welch
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:04 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Kolb-List: 582 fuel system
>
> Mark and Kolb guys,
>
> I'm curious. I don't have much experience with diaphram pumps and all,
> but it seems odd to want to design a *series* fuel pumping system. I
> mean, I know a series system would work great and all....but how would you
> know you lost one of the pumps, if the other pump can do all the work?
> Let's say, for example, the last flight you had, your primary pump blew
> out, and the backup kept you flying, how would you know??? You'd be toolin'
> along thinking you had both pumpers up to snuff, but you wouldn't.
>
> Unless you verified each and every flight that BOTH pumps were operating
> fine, you could be relying a false sense of security. Wouldn't you?
>
> If it were me, and maybe that's just my way of thinking, I think I would
> like a parallel fuel system. Here why I think this; if my primary system
> failed, it would kick on the backup system (and a big bright red panel
> light). The light would alert me that the primary pump needs attention, and
> when I landed, I could take care of the problem, but in the meantime, my
> backup is doing it's job.
>
> For a parallel design, a primary system could easily have a low-pressure
> switch ($30 McMaster Carr) that if activated (due to a zero or very low fuel
> pressure), it would turn on the backup pump.
> This method is close to how my turbo "high fuel delivery" fuel system is
> designed and operated.
>
> I realize a *series fuel system*, with two fuel pumps, CAN work. I know
> that. But, how would you know that every flight both are working properly?
>
> Just some thoughts on the matter.......
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII CX
>
> > I've got a series or parallel question about installing a facet boost
> pump. I'm planning on intalling a facet pump between my fuel tank and the he
> mikuni engine pump. I'm doing it in series just to keep it simple. If the
> facet fails it should still flow thru so the mikuni will be able to draw
> fuel from the tank. But what if the mikuni fails? Will it flow thru and
> allow the boost pump fuel to get to the carbs? Those of you with similar
> systems I'd appreciate your advice.
> >
> > Mark Rinehart
>
> ------------------------------
> Hotmail: Free, trusted and r01/' target='_new'>Get it now.
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c*
>
> *
>
> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listronics.comww.matronics.com/contribution
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 fuel system |
Mike W/Gang:
We used standby fuel pumps in series with the main pumps on UH-1 and
AH-1 helicopters, when I was flying them a few years ago, like 35 years
ago.
We checked both during engine start and run up. We left the standby
pump off and started the engine on the main fuel pump. Noting the fuel
pressure on the main, we then turned on the standby. Usually, we would
get a couple pound increase in pressure to let us know the standby was
operational. The fact that the engine started and was running on the
main fuel told us it was operational.
My MKIII is plumbed the same way as the Hueys and Cobras, minus the fuel
pressure gauge. Before engine start I turn on the Facet boost pump to
prime the carbs. I can listen to it and tell when the bowls are full.
Turn it off and crank the engine with the engine driven pump. If the
engine runs on the engine driven pump while I am getting ready to taxi
and takeoff, I am happy with it. To be more exact, I should have a fuel
pressure gauge, but I don't like running a fuel line to the instrument
panel.
john h
mkIII
I realize a series fuel system, with two fuel pumps, CAN work. I
know that. But, how would you know that every flight both are working
properly?
Just some thoughts on the matter.......
Mike Welch
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Fuel pumps in series |
Hi All, This is how I know both pumps are working on my FSII. I flip on the
facet while the engine is NOT running. I can hear the pump running and
watch fuel fill the fuel lines running to the carbs, thus verifying that
pump. Then I shut the facet off and start the engine for my warm up this
verifies the diaphragm pump is working. Before I take the active runway I
flip the facet back on for take off and climb out. When I reach my cruising
altitude I flip the facet off again. When I`m ready to land I flip the
facet back on until I shut down the engine at my trailer. In the past I
would let the facet run during the entire flight but my flight instructor
didn`t like that. He felt that if either pump failed in flight, I wouldn`t
be aware of it. I know there are two schools of thought about turning the
facet on and leaving it on and turning it off after climb out. All I can
say is I trust my instructors opinion and do what he advises. Anyway this
procedure works for me. Lanny N398LF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 fuel system |
> There's generally little advantage to adding the electric pump and a
couple of disadvantages. The mikuni pneumatic pumps are exceedingly reliable
and, in a Kolb installation, provide plenty of vacuum to draw the fuel up
from the tank to the engine.
>
> As I said, the pneumatic pumps are exceptionally reliable and when simply
> used by themselves yeild the simplest and easy to use/maintain system.
> I've used them for years and many hundreds of hours and have never had one
> fail.
>
> LS
Lucien/Gang:
I think the major advantage of having an electric boost pump is when the
Mikuni fails, gives you another chance.
Back in my two stroke days I had a Mikuni fail. Had a cheap Facet copy I
bought from JC Whitney for backup pump, which failed a few hours after I
departed Alabama for the Flight Farm, in Monterey, NY, in 1989. The Mikuni
failed while flying low level around the Flight Farm a few days later.
Lucked out and landed in one of the many hay fields in the area. Murphy
knows when to strike. He is very patient.
Might be complex for some, but pretty simple for most to cut a fuel line,
stick a Facet in there, run a couple wires to the battery and a switch. On
my Firestar, I did not have a battery. Connected the pump through a switch
to my 12VDC buss. Got a Facet to replace the Chinamanese pump when I got
back to Alabama. Trying to save a few dollars cost me a forced landing.
Not much maintenance to a Facet pump. I have had one in my MKIII for a few
hours less than 3,000. Haven't done anything to it since installation in
1991.
These pumps were used as primary lift pumps in many small pickup trucks,
Mazda for one. They have a great track record. Almost as good as Mikuni.
My first little Kubota diesel was built in and around 1975. It uses a
Mikuni pulse pump for a lift pump. It has several thousand hours and 35
years of pumping without failure. If that pump was in my airplane, it would
probably fail next flight. ;-)
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 582 fuel system |
| From: | "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> Lucien/Gang:
>
> I think the major advantage of having an electric boost pump is when the
> Mikuni fails, gives you another chance.
>
>
Seems like we've kicked around the electric fuel pump issue in the past, but my
memory is a little foggy on it.
To the OP I'd say it's ultimately a matter of personal preference as my reasons
for not liking and thus not using an electric pump (unless it's specifically
called for by the installation) tend to be just matters of my own personal opinion.
I personally prefer the simplest possible systems in critical areas like fuel systems
because they're easier to maintain, less stuff for me to worry about in
flight, easier to catch goofs on and yeild the simplest possible checklists in
the plane. I.e.
fan stops turning:
- go to landing spot
- land
fan gets rough
- go to landing spot
- land
without having to hit extra switches, etc.
etc...
Though I will admit that some of the terrain I've flown over in a couple of my
recent trips did once or twice cause backup systems like an aux. fuel pump to
pop into my mind for a moment.
It did prompt me to go hug a road, which did quite enjoyable extend a flight I
made the other day.
If the WX is good this weekend I'm going to repeat it but this time using that
new route with the road under it ;)
LS
--------
LS
Titan II SS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281354#281354
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Tech. problems with Matronics Kolb list |
| From: | "Carl Tosh" <carl.tosh(at)yahoo.com> |
Jack and All, I am at wits end . I have not been able to get to the Matronics list
but once in a blue moon. Something has changed this winter. I have been a
member for over a year as I am 19 Yahoo Groups. I have spent over $100. Trying
to figure out why my computer times out (
tcp) message 0r Internet Explorer can't display the page. Site unavailable or other
BS. All other connections work fine just can't get to Matronics the last
few months without all kinds of BS notices. I e-mailed Matt got no where. Called
Wild Blue Dish myIP bought software that didn't WORK. Had A Tech. come out.
Cleaned almost everything out of my computer. I use Yahoo as the web brouser.
Can this also be a case of Barracuda screwing things up? What can I do next?
The Matronics Kolb Site is my favorite place for aircraft related topics. It is
getting ridiculus to try to get here. Sorry for all my ranting but, I may not
be able to get on for a week .
Carl Tosh
--------
mongsterone
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281355#281355
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tech. problems with Matronics Kolb list |
| From: | "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Hi Carl,
I'm sorry to hear of your troubles. I think that I did respond to your email from
last week, but I answer a lot of list-op related email and I might be remembering
something else.
I'm not sure why you are having such issues connecting to the site. I'm off the
Matronics net right now and am connecting in and viewing the Matronics Forums
without issue or delay.
You didn't specifically describe the methods you were trying to access the Lists. Are the problems with WEB access to the forums site? Or with posting and/or receiving email via the traditional email lists? What about accessing the traditional List search engine and/or List Browse? http://www.matronics.com/search http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
--------
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281357#281357
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 fuel system |
> Though I will admit that some of the terrain I've flown over in a couple
of my recent trips did once or twice cause backup systems like an aux. fuel
pump to pop into my mind for a moment.
> It did prompt me to go hug a road, which did quite enjoyable extend a
> flight I made the other day.
> If the WX is good this weekend I'm going to repeat it but this time using
> that new route with the road under it ;)
>
> LS
Lucien/Gang:
Based on altitude and terrain, I will turn on the boost pump is necessary.
The Facet is rated for continuous duty. Could leave it on all the time.
If I am scared the engine is going to stop at any moment, I'll follow a road
or other suitable forced landing area, if there is one.
Normally, flying with a 912UL or a 912ULS, I fly direct.
Aren't you flying a Titan with 912?
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flying the lazy river on Youtube |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
undoctor wrote:
> Sent them to Don G., who built it, and he emailed back that looking out under
those stars and stripes made him "giddy." I understand why; he did one heck
of a fine job building it. The paint job alone is a labor of love!
>
> Dave
That paint job is amazing. I really like it.
--------
Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281386#281386
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 582 fuel system |
Mike
Yes the system is true "series" design.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: 582 fuel system
Rick N.,
The design of your system sounds like I was asking about. Your
ability to verify each pump, prior to each flight, is the kind of assure
I was wondering about. It appears as though you have everything
covered.
But, Rick, is your fuel delivery a true "series" design?
Mike Welch
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 fuel system
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:12:13 -0500
Mike
Your system sounds great and should work well but I like to keep
things simple.
My fuel system requires a electric fuel pump. I have two electric
pumps in series, one is driven by the ignition circuit. The secondary
pump by separate switched circuit. My starting routine is prime the fuel
system using the back up pump. I watch the fuel flow through a short
piece of transparent fuel line till the float bowls are full. I then
turn off the secondary system and start the engine. I can see fuel flow
and hear the faucet pump running when I turn on the back up pump. I know
the back up pump test works because the faucet pump died a few years
back and its need for replacement was very noticeable. I can hear the
primary pump running when the ignition is turned on. I also know if the
primary pump fails the engine will quit fairly quick and while still on
the ground. I had to disconnect the primary pump power wires to test
this. Before takeoff or landing I turn on the back up pump.
It works for me.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: 582 fuel system
Mark and Kolb guys,
I'm curious. I don't have much experience with diaphram pumps and
all, but it seems odd to want to design a series fuel pumping system. I
mean, I know a series system would work great and all....but how would
you know you lost one of the pumps, if the other pump can do all the
work?
Let's say, for example, the last flight you had, your primary pump
blew out, and the backup kept you flying, how would you know??? You'd
be toolin' along thinking you had both pumpers up to snuff, but you
wouldn't.
Unless you verified each and every flight that BOTH pumps were
operating fine, you could be relying a false sense of security.
Wouldn't you?
If it were me, and maybe that's just my way of thinking, I think I
would like a parallel fuel system. Here why I think this; if my
primary system failed, it would kick on the backup system (and a big
bright red panel light). The light would alert me that the primary pump
needs attention, and when I landed, I could take care of the problem,
but in the meantime, my backup is doing it's job.
For a parallel design, a primary system could easily have a
low-pressure switch ($30 McMaster Carr) that if activated (due to a zero
or very low fuel pressure), it would turn on the backup pump.
This method is close to how my turbo "high fuel delivery" fuel
system is designed and operated.
I realize a series fuel system, with two fuel pumps, CAN work. I
know that. But, how would you know that every flight both are working
properly?
Just some thoughts on the matter.......
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
> I've got a series or parallel question about installing a facet
boost pump. I'm planning on intalling a facet pump between my fuel tank
and the he mikuni engine pump. I'm doing it in series just to keep it
simple. If the facet fails it should still flow thru so the mikuni will
be able to draw fuel from the tank. But what if the mikuni fails? Will
it flow thru and allow the boost pump fuel to get to the carbs? Those of
you with similar systems I'd appreciate your advice.
>
> Mark Rinehart
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Hotmail: Free, trusted and r01/' target='_new'>Get it now.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
ronics.com
ww.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerf/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Rick=2C Rick=2C John=2C Lucien=2C etc=2C and others=2C
Like I said=2C I don't know much about the 582 delivery systems=2C but it
sounds like you guys have it figured out.
My concern was not knowing if you had a failure in a two pump system=2C b
ut as long as you can easily verify each pump is working properly=2C then i
t sounds like you're in good shape.
Mike Welch
December 21, 2009 - January 13, 2010
Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-jc