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March 17, 2010 - April 09, 2010
All Mid-Florida Kolb Pilots,
Just spoke to J.Mylett @ KCHN,and the Sat 3/20 plane wash and cookout is
a go. Also fuel specials in effect.Hope to see you all at Wachula,10A.M.-
4 P.M.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Squeeze Bulb Safety & Positive Pressure Prime |
My Version has a squeeze bulb plumbed into the top tank using a
schrader valve with the internals taken out....to fill the float
bowl, I just place my finger over the vent hole and squeeze the
bulb... Easy to do on a full tank but a bit tedious on a partially
full tank... Simple enough...
Jack has me thinking about taking along a tool kit, bicycle pump
, tie downs etc..for those times when I venture off the beaten path...Herb
At 07:13 AM 3/17/2010, you wrote:
>
>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:28:55 -0500
>From: Richard Girard
> >
>Jack, all, I probably missed this as your work is always very thorough, but
>how do you pressurize a vented tank?
> >
>
>Rick,
>
>Once the bicycle pump is removed, the tire valve stem installed in the tank
>acts as the vent. Any previous vent must be plugged.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Winchester, IN
>
>
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| From: | "Vic" <vicsv(at)myfairpoint.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Squeeze Bulb Safety & Positive Pressure Prime |
My plunger primer ($20) worked great for a while then leaked after just
a few hrs.
I deconstructed it and was amazed at what a piece of crap it was.
Imo your just playing with fire, pun intended.
Use of a used certified one would be much safer.
I'm going back to a fuel pump.
Vic
Xtra 912ul
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- I need some advice on completing the fuel system on an original Firesta
r.- The gas tank is located above the BRS, and is a bottom draw.- I cur
rently have only a squeeze bulb.- When I emptied it last year, there was
some water in the bottom of the tank.- I bought a Great Plains gascolator
and a Rotax primer.- There are no mounting holes or brackets with the ga
scolator, so I need some ideas on where and how to mount it.- Also, I nee
d some ideas on where to mount the primer valve.
- Ellery has recommended doing without the squeeze bulb, and only using t
he primer.- If it works for him with his weather, it should work for me.
- Ideas, anyone?
-
-------------------------
---------------------- Bill-S
ullivan
-------------------------
---------------------- Windsor
Locks, Ct.
-------------------------
---------------------- FS 447
-------------------------
---------------------- 45 degre
es and climbing, clear, no wind
-----
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Baby bottle brush, dish soap and a cord. I like it. Off to the Dollar Store for
a brush!
Thanks guys.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290610#290610
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| Subject: | Annual Condition Inspection |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, Gang,
We're about to conduct our Annual, and could use a little help. We've found an
A&P, (since we're not the original builders,) and he has extensive experience
w/ building experimentals, but not Kolbs.
We want to make sure he hits all the hot spots and gives the airplane a thorough
checkup.
Does anyone have a checklist that you use for the Annual that you are willing
to share?
Ours is a MK 3 Classic, finished in 2001. We've got a 912ULS and the plane and
engine are right at 600 hours. Steven Green updated the gearbox, having Lockwood
add the clutch at about 250 hours. We're burning predominently auto gas, w/
occasional 100LL.
Any help on-list or off-list would be greatly appreciated.
Dave
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290615#290615
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 03/16/10 |
Travis/All: I am making some progress on my MKIIIX that will be powered by a great
Plains VW engine. Wings, control surfaces and stabilizers all covered and
ready for Poli-spray. Fuselage welded for the VW and making progress on the
installations that precede fabric. This has been a great experience. I especially
appreciate all the positive input from the Kolb builders and owners and
the list, Travis, Donnie, Dennis, Brian, etc.
Thanks for all the help.
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Dave, FAR 43 Appendix D has every item he should cover on the plane. ROAN
will have all the latest Service Bulletins and Instructions specific to the
engine.
While you're airplane is experimental and the TBO requirements do not apply
as they would for an S-LSA, you should check to see if your engine is in the
serial number range to qualify. Nice thing to have in the logbook, if
nothing else.
Is he a Rotax mechanic, too? If not, I would be very wary of letting him
touch the engine. Check ROAN, but I don't think he can sign off for the TBO
increase if he isn't.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Watkinsdw wrote:
>
> Hi, Gang,
>
> We're about to conduct our Annual, and could use a little help. We've found
> an A&P, (since we're not the original builders,) and he has extensive
> experience w/ building experimentals, but not Kolbs.
>
> We want to make sure he hits all the hot spots and gives the airplane a
> thorough checkup.
>
> Does anyone have a checklist that you use for the Annual that you are
> willing to share?
>
> Ours is a MK 3 Classic, finished in 2001. We've got a 912ULS and the plane
> and engine are right at 600 hours. Steven Green updated the gearbox, having
> Lockwood add the clutch at about 250 hours. We're burning predominently auto
> gas, w/ occasional 100LL.
>
> Any help on-list or off-list would be greatly appreciated.
> Dave
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290615#290615
>
>
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
I echo Rick's advice on the 912 but, sensible or not, any A&P can sign
off your condition inspection regardless of what engine it has on it.
Get the signature and then inspect it using common sense.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
yet to pencil whip my logs for the year.
BTW, I have an even more horrible video I could edit for youtube.
Should I?
heh heh
On 17, Mar 2010, at 12:22 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Dave, FAR 43 Appendix D has every item he should cover on the plane.
ROAN will have all the latest Service Bulletins and Instructions
specific to the engine.
> While you're airplane is experimental and the TBO requirements do not
apply as they would for an S-LSA, you should check to see if your engine
is in the serial number range to qualify. Nice thing to have in the
logbook, if nothing else.
> Is he a Rotax mechanic, too? If not, I would be very wary of letting
him touch the engine. Check ROAN, but I don't think he can sign off for
the TBO increase if he isn't.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Watkinsdw
wrote:
>
> Hi, Gang,
>
> We're about to conduct our Annual, and could use a little help. We've
found an A&P, (since we're not the original builders,) and he has
extensive experience w/ building experimentals, but not Kolbs.
>
> We want to make sure he hits all the hot spots and gives the airplane
a thorough checkup.
>
> Does anyone have a checklist that you use for the Annual that you are
willing to share?
>
> Ours is a MK 3 Classic, finished in 2001. We've got a 912ULS and the
plane and engine are right at 600 hours. Steven Green updated the
gearbox, having Lockwood add the clutch at about 250 hours. We're
burning predominently auto gas, w/ occasional 100LL.
>
> Any help on-list or off-list would be greatly appreciated.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290615#290615
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15(at)juno.com> |
Here's the one I use.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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| From: | "cspoke" <cspoke(at)gulftel.com> |
Im also glad to hear that Kolb will be building a VW powered Xtra next. I was hoping
to have some flight time on mine already but not yet. There was some interference
with the wings and the engine when folding the wings so I had to address
that. Also I was not happy with the original exhaust that I had installed
so I changed that. Anyway this weekend is the date to take my plane to the airport
and I should have some info to post soon.
Rick, your panel looks great. That is also something that I will change on mine
at a later time. It's time to stop fiddling and start flying....
--------
Craig Spoke
Mark 111 Xtra
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight |
FireFlyer's,
First flight for the MZ 34. The good news is that the engine can really
push the FireFly right along and even though the engine could not be brought
up to maximum rpm, had an acceptable climb rate. No handling problems in
that the CG actually moved forward a little in comparison to the 447.
Although I ran the engine for about two hours on the ground, the first
flight was not trouble free, in that, the engine quit at altitude so I had a
quiet flight back to the airport. At first I thought it may be an early
magneto failure, but it was not, as I could start the engine after a prime,
but it would not continue to run. Tomorrow I will get to revisit the
intricacies of the Tillotson carburetor.
I will be putting up some photos of the assembled FireFly with the MZ 34. I
copied out my thoughts and facts from my flight log. A good Saint Patrick's
Day and I hope yours was as well.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
March 17, 2010 - Flight 742 - 14 minutes, 12 seconds - 267:39 tt, MZ 00:14 -
burned 0.60(0.55) gallons. Overall fuel burn rate was 2.54/(2.32) gph.
Maximum engine rpm was 5,500 rpm. EGT was 1,200 and CHT was 400 degrees F.
Climb at 45 mphi was 300 to 500 fpm. Flew the runway to be sure I could
gain enough altitude for a down wind landing if the engine quit. Then
dropped the nose and let the FireFly climb at 50 mphi. Circled the airport
and continued to cruise climb until 2,500 feet agl. Hands got cold.
Leveled off and the ASI topped out at 55 mphi.
Was busy watching EGT, CHT, rpm and ASI. Did notice that the FireFly seems
to be quieter and fuselage vibrations seems to be less. The combined Lord
and bulk head mounting isolators is working out. I need to take the sound
meter with me on the next flight. The left thrust offset worked out well in
that the ball remained centered.
Still have carburetor issues, in that after initial start up, the engine
wanted to run very rich on taxi out. This may be due to too rich a prime
for start up. Engine smoothed out just fine with advancing of the throttle
for take off. Did well for being grounded six months. Engine ran fine for
about 13 minutes and then I started to throttle back for decent. EGT and
CHT floated up a little. I need to put a tube on the diaphragm static air
vent and bring it inside the fuselage to see if it will help. Then the
engine quit. Glided back into the pattern and down the length of the runway
and slipped it down so that I only had to push it 100 yards to the hangar.
At the hangar I primed the engine and pulled the starter and it fired right
up and then died. I may have gotten a bug in the diaphragm static air vent.
Also, my radio and gps would not power up. I suspect the connector below
the seat needs to be checked. Will check things out tomorrow.
At 5,500 rpm the engine at the top of the torque curve and the engine is
developing 23 HP. I really don't want to cut the propeller any smaller.
Need to call Compact Engines to see if they can provide a higher ratio
reduction unit. I need to get the engine up to 6,200 rpm where it can
develop 27 HP. This should improve climb rate.
Over all a very satisfactory first flight. It was great to get back into
the air. It is nice that 23 HP will push a 213.5 pound dry FireFly 55 mphi
in level flight, and climb at 300 to 500 fpm. How will it perform when the
engine can develop 27 HP?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Jack, did it quit during climb or after pulling the throttle back?
BB
On 17, Mar 2010, at 7:20 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
> FireFlyer's,
>
> First flight for the MZ 34. The good news is that the engine can really
> push the FireFly right along and even though the engine could not be brought
> up to maximum rpm, had an acceptable climb rate. No handling problems in
> that the CG actually moved forward a little in comparison to the 447.
>
> Although I ran the engine for about two hours on the ground, the first
> flight was not trouble free, in that, the engine quit at altitude so I had a
> quiet flight back to the airport. At first I thought it may be an early
> magneto failure, but it was not, as I could start the engine after a prime,
> but it would not continue to run. Tomorrow I will get to revisit the
> intricacies of the Tillotson carburetor.
>
> I will be putting up some photos of the assembled FireFly with the MZ 34. I
> copied out my thoughts and facts from my flight log. A good Saint Patrick's
> Day and I hope yours was as well.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
>
> March 17, 2010 - Flight 742 - 14 minutes, 12 seconds - 267:39 tt, MZ 00:14 -
> burned 0.60(0.55) gallons. Overall fuel burn rate was 2.54/(2.32) gph.
> Maximum engine rpm was 5,500 rpm. EGT was 1,200 and CHT was 400 degrees F.
> Climb at 45 mphi was 300 to 500 fpm. Flew the runway to be sure I could
> gain enough altitude for a down wind landing if the engine quit. Then
> dropped the nose and let the FireFly climb at 50 mphi. Circled the airport
> and continued to cruise climb until 2,500 feet agl. Hands got cold.
> Leveled off and the ASI topped out at 55 mphi.
>
> Was busy watching EGT, CHT, rpm and ASI. Did notice that the FireFly seems
> to be quieter and fuselage vibrations seems to be less. The combined Lord
> and bulk head mounting isolators is working out. I need to take the sound
> meter with me on the next flight. The left thrust offset worked out well in
> that the ball remained centered.
>
> Still have carburetor issues, in that after initial start up, the engine
> wanted to run very rich on taxi out. This may be due to too rich a prime
> for start up. Engine smoothed out just fine with advancing of the throttle
> for take off. Did well for being grounded six months. Engine ran fine for
> about 13 minutes and then I started to throttle back for decent. EGT and
> CHT floated up a little. I need to put a tube on the diaphragm static air
> vent and bring it inside the fuselage to see if it will help. Then the
> engine quit. Glided back into the pattern and down the length of the runway
> and slipped it down so that I only had to push it 100 yards to the hangar.
> At the hangar I primed the engine and pulled the starter and it fired right
> up and then died. I may have gotten a bug in the diaphragm static air vent.
> Also, my radio and gps would not power up. I suspect the connector below
> the seat needs to be checked. Will check things out tomorrow.
>
> At 5,500 rpm the engine at the top of the torque curve and the engine is
> developing 23 HP. I really don't want to cut the propeller any smaller.
> Need to call Compact Engines to see if they can provide a higher ratio
> reduction unit. I need to get the engine up to 6,200 rpm where it can
> develop 27 HP. This should improve climb rate.
>
> Over all a very satisfactory first flight. It was great to get back into
> the air. It is nice that 23 HP will push a 213.5 pound dry FireFly 55 mphi
> in level flight, and climb at 300 to 500 fpm. How will it perform when the
> engine can develop 27 HP?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
I really dont think it is safe to put any inline squeze bulb in any airpla
ne as I have never seen a good quality one, Check valves sticking ,rubber
getting hard or cracking or the whole thing falling apart even if you hav
e a loop plumed around it when it falls apart you will lose fuel to the
carb I like a GA style Fuel primer much better quality and I think it is
much safer than the cheap ones you can buy at a snowmobile shop they have
there problems also
But this is just my opinion on how to keep thing safe for me
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Sent: Wed, Mar 17, 2010 10:39 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel system
I need some advice on completing the fuel system on an original Firestar
. The gas tank is located above the BRS, and is a bottom draw. I current
ly have only a squeeze bulb. When I emptied it last year, there was some
water in the bottom of the tank. I bought a Great Plains gascolator and
a Rotax primer. There are no mounting holes or brackets with the gascola
tor, so I need some ideas on where and how to mount it. Also, I need some
ideas on where to mount the primer valve.
Ellery has recommended doing without the squeeze bulb, and only using th
e primer. If it works for him with his weather, it should work for me.
Ideas, anyone?
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
45 degrees and climbing,
clear, no wind
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: for long distance Kolbers.... with money |
Pat, Ladd
Glad to see you're back! -- from your MOST extensive trip.
In re bad puns -- "Sorry"? if we had to apologise for them I'd have
no time for anything else.
Always wondered about penny-farthing braking, but assumed you'd feel
you were nosediving & let up on the pedal.
Anyway, good to have you back.
Fair winds,
Russ
PS Wanna help me bring a 37' sailboat from Bermudah to CT?
Dint really think so. You're smarter than moi, & I must be as crazy
as people say.
On Mar 14, 2010, at 2:40 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> long distance Kolb flyers, if you have lots of extra money ""
>
> Hi Thom,
> thanks for putting that clip on. Very interesting concept but the
> `penny farthing` small wheel behind design very smartly gave way to
> the `safety bike` design, more or less as we know it now for a very
> good reason. When you put the brake on you nosedived into the
> ground. I see that the guy has fitted ABS but I doubt if that is
> enough to stopthe nosedive.
> The design as far as the folding capacity is concerned was very neat.
> I ride a folding electric bike and it certainly is useful. I can
> stick it in the car when travelling and the power takes the sting
> out of the hills to a certain extent. If you don`t turn the pedals
> in my model you get no power so you can`t just sit there. You have
> to exercise but with the pedals turning the power assist kicks in.
> There is a much more upmarket version than mine which folds into a
> small and light enough pack to take on a train.
> Unless this guy has come up with a breakthrough in battery power I
> think he is re inventing the wheel. bad pun. Sorry.
>
> Thanks
>
> Pat
>
>
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight |
>
>Jack, did it quit during climb or after pulling the throttle back?
>BB
>
Bob,
I was trying to descend. I was fighting the dilemma of increasing CHT and EGT
due to unloading the over propped engine. I had dropped the engine down to
about 4,300 rpm and both the CHT and EGT had fallen away from the upper
limits. The carburetor may have iced up and it quit. From experience on
the ground, if the high speed jet had plugged the engine would have
continued to run at a little over 4,000 rpm. So I suspect it may have been
ice. With the muffler mounted up overhead, it may be possible that I can
add carb heat.
Tomorrow, I will check it out some more.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
Ralph,
Good list.
Don't forget to check all cables, cable thimbles and tangs ?
Perhaps you included that and I missed it.
On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> Here's the one I use.
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 1000 hours
> 23 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 2 years flying it
> 120 hrs
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290649#290649
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/annual_inspection_checklist_159.doc
>
>
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
My apologies, List, I goofed again. Should have been off-list to Pat.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Bill, as I said I'm using just the primer, no bulb. The primer pump is
mounted on a bracket behind the seat, so I can reach it in flight, and
draws fuel from just before the carburetor so it will fill the line.
How's the rebuild going? You must be close if you're working on the fuel
system.
-Dana
At 10:39 AM 3/17/2010, william sullivan wrote:
> I need some advice on completing the fuel system on an original
> Firestar. The gas tank is located above the BRS, and is a bottom
> draw. I currently have only a squeeze bulb. When I emptied it last
> year, there was some water in the bottom of the tank. I bought a Great
> Plains gascolator and a Rotax primer. There are no mounting holes or
> brackets with the gascolator, so I need some ideas on where and how to
> mount it. Also, I need some ideas on where to mount the primer valve.
> Ellery has recommended doing without the squeeze bulb, and only using
> the primer. If it works for him with his weather, it should work for
> me. Ideas, anyone?
>
--
When only cops have guns, it's called a police state.
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
Bill
The Great Plains gascolator is a good one but they don't sell a mount
for it. I have seen mounts that will work but don't remember where.
Check other aircraft supply houses. I have seen them listed and they
look much better than the mount I fabricated. Also be sure to install a
drain valve like a Curtis drain valve. Mount the gascolator so the drain
valve is assessable out the lower side of the fuselage. This will allow
your to sample your fuel before each flight.
The plunger primers work well but can leak. Install a shut off valve
between the primer and the fuel system. This will eliminate the likely
chance that the primer will allow air to enter your fuel system.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:39 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel system
I need some advice on completing the fuel system on an
original Firestar. The gas tank is located above the BRS, and is a
bottom draw. I currently have only a squeeze bulb. When I emptied it
last year, there was some water in the bottom of the tank. I bought a
Great Plains gascolator and a Rotax primer. There are no mounting holes
or brackets with the gascolator, so I need some ideas on where and how
to mount it. Also, I need some ideas on where to mount the primer
valve.
Ellery has recommended doing without the squeeze bulb, and
only using the primer. If it works for him with his weather, it should
work for me. Ideas, anyone?
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks,
Ct.
FS 447
45 degrees and
climbing, clear, no wind
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Dana- If I put the nose cone back on and fill it with fuel, it would be
flyable in an hour.- Besides the fuel sustem changes, I want to cover th
e pod with Stits and put a windshield on it.- Also, take off some weight
by switching the struts from steel to aluminum; switch to Firefly landing l
egs, and maybe add brakes.- I also acquired a trailer and have started to
modify it.- Weather put an end to it for the winter.- Remodeling the h
ouse is interfering with recreation.
-
-------------------------
--------------- Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
--------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
-------------------------
--------------- FS 447
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | VG's............... |
Hello Kolb VG users, and enablers,
I flew in a brand new Boeing 737 -900 a couple weeks back. I had a seat just
behind the wing. The wing had the now standard invert droop tip on the end,
But it also had eight VG's spacer out on the wing ahead of the flaps. What
do you make of that?
All Ears,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
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| Subject: | Re: VG's............... |
| From: | "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com> |
> What do you make of that?
>
They're just doing their job keeping the airflow attached longer. Comes into play
in different phases of flight. The aircraft I fly, a Fokker 50 twin turbo
prop, even has VG's installed inside the inlet duct to the oil cooler which apparently
assists in maintaining the flow volume to the cooler by eliminating dead
air eddies in the duct which otherwise would have restricted the flow. Great
little gadgets !
David.
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| Subject: | Re: VG's............... |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Nick, Once you start looking for them they do seem to be everywhere, they'r
e
a great aerodynamic fix for local flow problems. Most likely at that
location they help keep the airflow attached when the flaps are extended.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Nick Cassara wrote:
> Hello Kolb VG users, and enablers,
>
>
> I flew in a brand new Boeing 737 -900 a couple weeks back. I had a seat
> just behind the wing. The wing had the now standard invert droop tip on t
he
> end, But it also had eight VG=92s spacer out on the wing ahead of the fla
ps.
> What do you make of that?
>
>
> All Ears,
>
>
> Nick Cassara
>
>
> Palmer, Alaska
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| Subject: | Flying the Kolb MkIIIC, addendum |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
There was a time I thought the wind only blew north and south here on the
Great Plains but no longer. I don't think I've flown more than once or twice
all winter when the wind was even close to coming down the runway. It has
given me lots of opportunities to test Zulu Delta's ability to slip.
One thing I've learned is that no matter the flap position, when you cross
the controls her nose comes up sharply. I can almost understand when the
wing is clean but you'd think with the strong nose down down moment when the
flaps are lowered, it would cancel out, but it doesn't. Doesn't seem to make
any difference whether left or right, either.
A caution when using full flaps. There appears to be some blanking of the
elevator which makes the aircraft more sensitive to local turblulence from
buildings and trees while slipping with flaps, but especially so with full
flaps. As a result I don't slip her to the deck anymore. Cross controlling
to maintain alignment with the runway in minor crosswinds it is less
noticeable, but get her all crossed up and hit the torn up air behind a
hangar or such and you best be on top of pitch control. There was one
approach in particular when I swear that just for a moment it felt like she
was going right over on her back. Got my attention PDQ.
In conclusion, if you're new to the aircraft, practice slipping at altitude
before you need to use it on final 'cause this ain't your daddy's Cessna.
Rick Girard
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| Subject: | Re: VG's............... |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
List,
I finally had the chance to fly a MK3C without VG's after flying mine w/VG
's for 2 years.I ain't tak'en em off.
G.Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200A 520 hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 18, 2010 6:21 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VG's...............
Nick, Once you start looking for them they do seem to be everywhere, they'
re a great aerodynamic fix for local flow problems. Most likely at that lo
cation they help keep the airflow attached when the flaps are extended.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Nick Cassara wrote
:
Hello Kolb VG users, and enablers,
I flew in a brand new Boeing 737 -900 a couple weeks back. Ihad a seat jus
t behind the wing. The wing had the now standard invert droop tipon the en
d, But it also had eight VG=99s spacer out on the wing ahead ofthe
flaps. What do you make of that?
All Ears,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
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| Subject: | Tuesday evening flight video |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
I love the longer daylight. Now I have time to go for a quick flight after work
on a nice evening, as it was Tuesday.
Don't have big mountains or ocean views to fly over, but have a view of the train
yard and a forest fire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdnNCubZA8Y
:D
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Tuesday evening flight video |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the excellent video, Cristal. Until seeing this video it had not register
in my brain that your MkII has a duckbillish nose. Looks good and you had
a smooth as silk landing.
You sure have an abundance of runways there and not much wind to make a difference.
Have you ever flown through a forest fire smoke plume? I did it once and it was
pretty much what you would expect. A thermal with an aroma.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| Subject: | Re: VG's............... |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
I'm with you Gary ! One of the best things I did to the airplane ! I have the Air
Wave VG's on mine...94 on the wing and 64 on the tail.
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 105.4 hrs
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Tuesday evening flight video |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks all! Yes, her nosecone is quick duckish! [Laughing]
We are having cake and ice cream at Waycross airport tomorrow afternoon 1-4pm ET
if anyone is close enough to stop by please do!
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| Subject: | Re: Tuesday evening flight video |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
typing this at 5am after having woke up at 2:30....meant to type "quite" not "quick"
:D I corrected it, but it could be a sign I should not drive an hour and
half to work today...oh well, here I go. Wish they had a landing strip in our
parking lot...too many lightpoles and cars though. :)
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tuesday evening flight video |
Have you ever flown through a forest fire smoke plume? I did it once and it
was pretty much what you would expect. A thermal with an aroma.>>
Hi Thom,
not quite a forest fire but I did get into the thick smoke from a stubble
burn off while flying my glider many years ago. My Club was doing a 300k
triangle on a super day but I was lagging when I arrived at the first turn
point. On track and about 30 miles away I saw the glint of sun on turning
wings marking a thermal at a gliding club I knew.
I had quite a hot ship, a 19 mtre span Jantar, so I decided to go for the
distant thermal. I pulled the flap lever which distorted the trailing edge
so that it was into negative reflex, stuffed the nose down and romped off at
a shade short of 100 knots. I passed the rest of the fleet at a run,
trading height for speed and feeling pretty pleased with myself.
Pride comes before a fall, I arrived at my target to find the the thermal
had died. However I could see the smoke from a stubble fire a few miles
away. I flew to it sure that the fire would kick off a thermal. There was
not a trace of lift. Not a tickle. I worked the smoke frantically until
finally I had lost so much height that I had to land, which I did in the
field next to the fire.
Not a particularly good landing because as usual I had left the decision too
late, but safely down and breathing a sigh of relief I noticed 2 men working
frantically to stop the fire breaking through the hedge between their field
and the field I had landed in. They failed and the fire swept through the
gap. There was me with several thousand pounds worth of plasticery about to
be melted into a shapeless nob of ex flying machine.
I leaped out and yelled and the 2 men gave up their hopeless fight against
the fire and the three of us grabbed the plane and hurriedly pushed it
through a gate and across a road.
There I could relax and wait for my trailer team to turn up meanwhile
grinding my teeth as the rest of the competitors floated serenely over my
head.
You win some and....
cheers
Pat
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: for long distance Kolbers.... with money |
Always wondered about penny-farthing braking, but assumed you'd feel
you were nosediving & let up on the pedal.>>
Hi Russ,
you had to be pretty quick I think. You were sitting only just behind the
tipping point and I would have thought that the problems with getting that
big wheel tracking straight meant that braking was uneven with a `grab and
let go` motion.
The pedals of course were direct drive to the axle of the main wheel so if
you tried to backpedal the inertia would probably lift you off the saddle.
I have a nephew who rides these old bikes, boneshakers and `penny
farthings`. I must ask him.
I think I will pass on the Bermuda run thanks very much although I did get
to helm a bl--y great catamaran in the Bay of Islands and a square rigged
threemaster, in Sydney. A nice run from the Heads back towards the Sydney
Bridge.
Nice flight from Kerikeri to Cape Rienga in a small Australian built 8
seater. Flew up 90 mile beach at 500feet. very nice. Pilot wouldn`t let me
have a go though. Shame.
Wendy and I hired a couple of Segways in Pahia. The guy running the place
was very excited when he found out I old I was. `Never had an octegenarian
hire one before` he said. Apparently I beat the previous oldest by ten years
so they want me to send a photo for advertising purposes. Fame at last.
Getting my plane rady for its C of A yesterday I was kneeling for a time
putting the battery in. I stood and twisted round for something and my left
knee went out. A bit painful but after seeing the osteopath I am now limping
around with a stick. No C of A next week so another week before |I can get
back into the air. Damn.!
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Vic" <vicsv(at)myfairpoint.net> |
| Subject: | Xtra wing incidence |
All,
Has anyone with an Xtra done the mods that TNK did to the wing (lowering
leading edge),
for lower stall?
If so, do you have any before and after numbers/
Vic 912 Xtra
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Xtra wing incidence |
Vic/All
I heard that Kolb recommends that the leading edge be lowered on MKIII C
& X when you install the longer gear legs. I wasn't exactly sure why.
Figured it was to retain Homer's design philosophy of not being able to
take off till you had good flying speed.
I talked to Barnaby Wilifan the year they introduced the Xtra (he did
the Xtra design). He seemed to think the nose was flying a bit low.
Lowering the leading edge would raise the nose in flight. It might be a
bit faster?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic
To: Kolb list
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:21 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Xtra wing incidence
All,
Has anyone with an Xtra done the mods that TNK did to the wing
(lowering leading edge),
for lower stall?
If so, do you have any before and after numbers/
Vic 912 Xtra
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in |
Gary/All Florida Kolbs
The weather looks good tomorrow for the Wauchula Fly-In. If nothing
changes I will fly there tomorrow. Is anyone else planning to attend?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:19 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
All Mid-Florida Kolb Pilots,
Just spoke to J.Mylett @ KCHN,and the Sat 3/20 plane wash and cookout
is a go. Also fuel specials in effect.Hope to see you all at
Wachula,10A.M.-4 P.M.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Xtra wing incidence |
Vic=2C
I have done extensive research on this subject=2C since I have not only a
dded the taller steel gear legs=2C I've also converted my airplane from the
MkIII C to be a MkIII X.
Two years ago=2C I talked to Brian (@TNK)=2C and said that when the very
first Xtra was test flown=2C the wedge-shaped nosecone created a significan
t "nose down" tendency. To alleviate this unfavorable flight characteristi
c=2C the lowered the leading edge of the mounting point if the horizontal s
tabilizer. This new hor. stabilizer incidence seemed to work well=2C provi
ding the Xtra retained the shorter=2C aluminum landing gear.
However=2C if you change the Xtra's landing gear to the longer=2C steel g
ear legs=2C the main wing's incidence becomes way too steep to allow for pr
oper take-off and landing techniques=2C so the next modification requires t
he front of the wing to be lowered. This process allows for the main wing
to cut through the air (in the T/O & landing mode) at a more desirable inci
dence angle.
If a person has an Xtra=2C and they have installed the steel gear legs=2C
the digital angles of incidence are to be the following=3B (I just did
all this about three weeks ago!!)
A) First=2C level the motor mount=2C both left/right & forward/back direct
ions. Check main wing crosstube to verify cage is level side to side.
B) Boom tube SHOULD be -6.1 degrees (mine was within .05 degrees)
C) Now=2C set the front mount for the hor. stabilizer to make the hor. sta
bilizer be -4.8 degrees
D) Move on to the main wings.....the factory says the incidence is to be 3
.4 degrees=2C and there is to be 1.6 degrees dihedral.
It is important to point out you absolutely MUST use a digital level. A
bubble level will NOT be as accurate in matching one wing to the opposite w
ing.
Since I already had my wings and tailfeathers mounted a long time ago (as
a MkIIIC)=2C I already have my wing struts made. In my case=2C rather tha
n cut down the length of the struts=2C to give the stated 1.6 deg dihedral
=2C I left them alone! This essentially had the effect of giving me 2.6 de
g dihedral=2C rather then 1.6 deg. (from what I have been told=2C this is
not a bad thing=2C having a little bit more dihedral=2C that is)
In resetting my main wing's incidence angles=2C the rear mount has no adj
ustment=2C the unchanged strut has no adjustment=2C so if you lower the lea
ding edge=2C the wingtip rises as the incidence is reduced. Just a fact...
..
After it was all said and done=2C it was NO easy feat=2C either=2C my ang
les turned out to be EXACT!!! It was a LOT of work!! I should have taken
care of this step long before I finished the Poly Fiber!! Oops.
As far as the old incidences go=2C I'm sure I have them in a spreadsheet.
I can send them to you if you want.
Hope this is a little help to you.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
From: vicsv(at)myfairpoint.net
Subject: Kolb-List: Xtra wing incidence
Date: Fri=2C 19 Mar 2010 09:21:33 -0400
All=2C
Has anyone with an Xtra done the mods that TNK did to the wing (lowering le
ading edge)=2C
for lower stall?
If so=2C do you have any before and after numbers/
Vic 912 Xtra
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight - Follow Up |
FireFlyer's,
Computers are marvelous. Before contacting Compact Engines, I call IVO. I
asked them why I could not get the present propeller to adjust to a lower
pitch. They looked into their computer and told me that they were advanced
pitch blades. I purchased two standard ultralight blades. They will ship
next Monday. Much less expensive than a new reduction unit.
I have not as yet attacked the carburetor or auxiliary electrical problems.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
You guys have fun. Beauford - say hello to George for me.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly & MZ 34 - First Flight - Follow Up |
Jack
I went through something like that with IVO blades...I have two
sets of three blades...One set was built for 503's and 582's. I
bought them with an in air electrically adjustable hub. The other
set is standard UL blades ,, made for 447 and below.. Naturally I
thought they were the same...A call to Ivo cleared the confusion up
for me... Herb
At 05:11 PM 3/19/2010, you wrote:
>
>FireFlyer's,
>
>Computers are marvelous. Before contacting Compact Engines, I call IVO. I
>asked them why I could not get the present propeller to adjust to a lower
>pitch. They looked into their computer and told me that they were advanced
>pitch blades. I purchased two standard ultralight blades. They will ship
>next Monday. Much less expensive than a new reduction unit.
>
>I have not as yet attacked the carburetor or auxiliary electrical problems.
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in |
| From: | zeprep251(at)AOL.COM |
Rick,
Plan to leave Blackwater about 9:00 A.M.for KCHN
G.Aman MK3C Jabiru
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:35 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
Gary/All Florida Kolbs
The weather looks good tomorrow for the Wauchula Fly-In. If nothing change
s I will fly there tomorrow. Is anyone else planning to attend?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: zeprep251(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:19 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in
All Mid-Florida Kolb Pilots,
Just spoke to J.Mylett @ KCHN,and the Sat 3/20 plane wash and cookout is
a go. Also fuel specials in effect.Hope to see you all at Wachula,10A.M
.-4 P.M.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru
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| From: | Sky Biker Richardson <smlplanet(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in |
Gary I wish I was flying up to Wachula also. I am replacing the windshield
in mine being it broke returning from Arcadia. I liked your center gap seal
to the windshield that I made a mold and laying up the fiber glass now. No
w that the mold has been pulled I can replace the windshield and a couple o
ther mod's I'll see you all soon again. I plan to fly up to Sun-Fun....Ross
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | really bad flick |
Here ya go Russ. The first part starts ok, aside from not getting the cam turned
on until after the first departure.
Then the thing gets jarred lose and swings to the left making it look like I'm
in a crab. I'll take it down after a
few days. Mike Welch can hear the suzuki run anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqenEPLJOw
BB
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| Subject: | Re: really bad flick |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Bob, I don't agree with your assessment. mediocre, maybe, but not bad. And
sitting here in the middle of the night, listening to the wind howl, waiting
on a snow storm to usher in springtime, it makes me think of how much I
enjoy flying my Kolb and how much I'm going to enjoy flying it when the
weather gets back to being in accord with the season. That alone makes it
good. I'd leave it up.
Rick Girard
PS That Suzuki sure is nice and quiet
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:47 PM, robert bean wrote:
>
> Here ya go Russ. The first part starts ok, aside from not getting the cam
> turned on until after the first departure.
> Then the thing gets jarred lose and swings to the left making it look like
> I'm in a crab. I'll take it down after a
> few days. Mike Welch can hear the suzuki run anyway.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFqenEPLJOw
>
> BB
>
>
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Slingshot, rum rm |
Well, everyone, finally got some news for you. After spending another five
hundred dollars to Aircraft Exhaust, Inc, I received a retrofit muffler
(whatever) for my 912. It sits at a weird angle for some reason, not quite
straight but it seems to do what I wanted. The rum rum vibration is taken
up in the muffler and according to my beautiful wife, sounds deeper and
actually like an aircraft now. I dropped about ten db in the cockpit; is
now very tolerable. It doesnt seem to eat any extra energy from
backpressure and was easy to install. Now, this isnt going to make it
silent as in a tractor style with the muffler in the rear with a long pipe.
I have no cowling to absorb the sound and have the noise of the big blade
but it does definitely help. If I were to order a new exhaust system for a
new 912, I would recommend this set up. I believe it is the T2XQ or similar
at www.aircraftexhaust.net. I had the modification as pictured. I your
pipes are less than two years old, you can get the T2XQ mod but older than
that, you get what is pictured. That so far is the only answer I have for
the foul noise my engine produces. Now, does anyone know EXACTLY what motor
mounts we get when we get the 912 from Kolb factory? I would like to get a
softer mount but have no idea what my are. Is Kolb lurking and alive here?
So far so good. Ted p.s. oh yeah, by the way, this set up is actually
2lbs4oz heavier than the one with the double pipes and sits forward another
eight to ten inches.
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| Subject: | Re: another picture |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Boyd,
Can you let us know where this photo was taken? I think it is useful information
for all of us to identify the location when we post photos.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| Subject: | Re: another picture |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Boyd,
Can you let us know where this photo was taken? I think it is useful information
for all of us to identify the location when we post photos.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: another picture |
Boyd,
Can you let us know where this photo was taken? I think it is useful
information for all of us to identify the location when we post photos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
the photos were taken just to the north and east of brigham city ut.
looking to the west / south west, aprox N 41 32.166 W 111 57.484
my wife took the pictures from the right seat. we took a few more if
anyone is interested... I have reduced the file size down from 1.8 meg
to around 10 to 20 k. to keep the dial up users happy. (me) the
full size pictures are even more stunning.
Boyd
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | really bad flick & GEO noises |
>Mike Welch can hear the suzuki run anyway.
>
>
> BB
Bob=2C
Ooooooh! So THAT'S what a Sukuki sounds like!! I thought it was symphon
y music at first. he he
Actually=2C I'm just kidding. I had my GEO engine completely finished an
d running a long time back. But=2C a couple of years ago=2C I did a little
back tracking and decided to add the turbo and a couple of other power mod
s. I'm about 99.9% done with the turbo and mods=2C and within a couple of
days of being able to fire it up again. All I need to do is put the fuel t
anks back in (that were functional)=2C and add some oil and coolant. and re
place the wiring harness.
Before I go too far=2C after running the motor=2C I have to install my pa
nel and gauges=2C so that I can tune in the turbo.
On the airplane progress front=2C I just finished hooking up my newly adj
usted main wings.
With the wings & tailfeathers done=2C my next project is to finish the brak
e lines and some odd & ends interior projects. Then final installation of
all my Lexan pieces (which are all fabbed and ready). The airplane portio
n of my build is getting VERY close to being finished.
One thing I'm especially curious to find out is how quiet my engine's exh
aust system is. As many of you know=2C a turbo greatly reduces an engine's
noise level. Plus=2C I also have a glass pack type muffler just past the
turbo. I'm willing to bet that my engine/turbo/exhaust could be one of the
quietest Kolbs running. It won't be long now before I'll know. We'll se
e........
Thanks=2C Bob
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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| Subject: | Re: Wachula Fl. ( KCHN) Kolb guys Fly-in |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, Guys,
Sorry I wasn't able to attend the Wachula fly-in. I also incurred some damage returning
from Arcadia. Nothing like a close encounter with a wood stork, (heard
a lot of stories about bird incidents there...). More like a ground event.
It was blowing 15 and gusting to 20 when I landed at Pompano, and no Kolbs were
harmed in the process. However, when I was folding up the plane my luck ran out.
After removing the main pin in the right wing and just beginning to lift it
from the tip for the folding-back part, a gust took it right out of my hands.
It pivoted up and over, held by the U-joint, and landed upside down, forward
part on the main fuselage tube and the wingtip on the ground. The first two false
ribs were pushed in about 1/2 to 3/4 inch about 8 inches back from the leading
edge, and the last rib was also pushed in about the same amount. Got some
rash on the fabric over the ribs too.
Talked to Travis, who offered to send me a new U-joint if I felt there was potential
for having overstressed the joint, but he said they're nearly bullet proof,
and it looks perfect. I'm going to have the A&P look at it and the rib deflection
to see if it passes aerodynamic muster. Will also plan to attend the
fabric seminar at Sun&Fun.
Alas, not flying till we get the annual, with a preliminary check by the A&P on
Tuesday. Guess I've joined the "stupid Kolb tricks" club.
Looks like we'll probably drive to S&F. See ya'll there.
Dave
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: [barnstormers.com] Re: 440C Kawasaki 55-hp |
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: [barnstormers.com] Re: 440C Kawasaki 55-hp |
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
KOLBERS --- , Asking this question again. Anyone flown with a Kawasak
i 440c? Its a twin fan cooled engine claimed Hp 55- this engine has 3 hrs
, electric start belt reduction- the guy wants 1500 dollars about- 1/3
the cost of a rotax447 manual start . What do you guys think?=0A-Chris D
avis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefl
y =0A=0A=0A
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | KOLBERS 440C Kawasaki 55-hp NEED YOUR HELP ON THIS ONE |
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: KAWASAKI 440 C |
The problem I have with this series of engines is that no one can say
when the last one was built...It looks as if the 440 series, A,B and
now C. were surplused in the 1980's by one or more snowmobile
builders...Maybe John Deere for one? Therefore ..even the new 3
hour engine is likely be old... I have two buds who fly behind the
440A...maybe 35 horse power.? and both have had problems.. though I
think , in one case at least, self inflicted..
The 440 B appears to be the same displacement with different
porting to get over 40 hp...the b is thought not to be as reliable
as the A. Now we have a 440 cc engine that puts out 15 more horses
than the 447 and 20 more than the 440A? I would not touch it...
The only support is from a fellow in a north central state.. and
my chats with him were less than confidence instilling...Others like
him.. Herb
At 09:46 PM 3/20/2010, you wrote:
>KOLBERS , Asking this question again. Anyone flown with a
>Kawasaki 440c? Its a twin fan cooled engine claimed Hp 55 this
>engine has 3 hrs , electric start belt reduction the guy wants 1500
>dollars about 1/3 the cost of a rotax447 manual start . What do you
>guys think?
>
>Chris Davis
>KXP 503 492 hrs
>Glider Pilot
>Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
>
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| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 03/19/10 |
Hey everyone, I was dropping by to ask if anyone was heading to Oshkosh this
year (flying mainly).
If you are please add your information to this list so we can try linking
up. Here is a link to my blog with links to the map and instructions on
filling it out.
http://quadcitychallenger.blogspot.com/2010/03/trek-to-oshkosh-2010.html
Feel free to share this with other enthusiasts that fly similar speed
aircraft as the Kolb / Challenger / Quicksilver etc. There is safety in
numbers...
Thanks!
Eric Marenyi
Challenger II Clipped Wing Special
N4253G
http://quadcitychallenger.blogspot.com/
Heading to AirVenture in 2010? Click
here<http://quadcitychallenger.blogspot.com/2010/03/trek-to-oshkosh-2010.html>
<http://quadcitychallenger.blogspot.com/>
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
i hope this link works. it is a track of my last couple flights. it
is a aprs (automatic position reporting system) free to use for ham
radio opperators.
i used this system last year and except while i was in a deep canyon it
tracked very nice. i think in the plane it will be better. if i get
the antenna mounted in a better location i am thinking it will be
solid.
http://aprs.fi/?call=n1225y&mt=m&z=10&timerange=43200
boyd young
mkiii
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
i hope this link works. it is a track of my last couple flights. it
is a aprs (automatic position reporting system) free to use for ham
radio opperators.
i used this system last year and except while i was in a deep canyon it
tracked very nice. i think in the plane it will be better. if i get
the antenna mounted in a better location i am thinking it will be
solid.
http://aprs.fi/?call=n1225y&mt=m&z=10&timerange=43200
boyd young
mkiii
ps: you may have to change the time to 7 days in the box show last
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| Subject: | Re: KAWASAKI 440 C |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
I was going to use the 340 on a project that was meant for a 447 and
abandoned the idea when it just became one CF after another trying to adapt
it and that project had a mount system MUCH more adaptable than the Kolb.
I've watched these engine prices for awhile and I think the one you're being
offered is at least twice the going rate for them. Watch eBay for awhile
before you decide.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Herb wrote:
> The problem I have with this series of engines is that no one can say when
> the last one was built...It looks as if the 440 series, A,B and now C. were
> surplused in the 1980's by one or more snowmobile builders...Maybe John
> Deere for one? Therefore ..even the new 3 hour engine is likely be old...
> I have two buds who fly behind the 440A...maybe 35 horse power.? and both
> have had problems.. though I think , in one case at least, self inflicted..
>
> The 440 B appears to be the same displacement with different porting to
> get over 40 hp...the b is thought not to be as reliable as the A. Now we
> have a 440 cc engine that puts out 15 more horses than the 447 and 20 more
> than the 440A? I would not touch it...
>
> The only support is from a fellow in a north central state.. and my
> chats with him were less than confidence instilling...Others like him..
> Herb
>
>
> At 09:46 PM 3/20/2010, you wrote:
>
> KOLBERS , Asking this question again. Anyone flown with a Kawasaki
> 440c? Its a twin fan cooled engine claimed Hp 55 this engine has 3 hrs ,
> electric start belt reduction the guy wants 1500 dollars about 1/3 the
> cost of a rotax447 manual start . What do you guys think?
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | FireFly & MZ 34 Installation |
FireFlyer's,
I put up a page of photos and some explaination at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly158.html
Yesterday, I checked out the FireFly and found that I had not tied up the
wiring harness appropriately at the voltage regulator. One of the
alternator lead was touching the 12v+ outlet lead. This may have caused the
problem.
I removed the regulator and mag kill switch assembly for rework. Also
brought the propeller blades home to cut another inch of each of them.
These blades are so short I will probably never use them again, so I thought
it would be a good study to see how advanced pitch blades perform against
the new regular blades that are coming.
Hopefully, on the next flight, my gps will be working and I will be able to
take some accurate performance data. This is much more fun than blowing snow.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly & MZ 34 Installation |
>
>213.5 lbs? You are good. Don't leave it unattended in a stiff breeze.
>
>We will be curious if the asymmetrical thrust line requires any trim compensation.
Bob,
I found with the Victor 1+ that the FireFly would cruise with the ball
centered with a left side thrust offset and no trim tab on the rudder. In
this case of the MZ 34 it was a way to raise the thrust line when running
the engine up side down. On the first flight it flew with the ball centered.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, Ralph, this is a great list. Also, "Slyck" and "Eugene."
I'll kick it around with the guy, and double check his Rotax training, shopping
around for more help in that area, as needed.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry, I omitted Rick. Good advice, Rick. I'll check the FAR's
Thanks a lot.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15(at)juno.com> |
> Thanks, Ralph, this is a great list. Also, "Slyck" and "Eugene."
>
> I'll kick it around with the guy, and double check his Rotax training, shopping
around for more help in that area, as needed.
>
> Dave
The list can be tailored to your aircraft or ultralight to fit your needs. This
is what I did when I got it from a guy who flew an Avid Flyer.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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| Subject: | Warp Drive prop for sale!!! |
| From: | "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com> |
I have my 66" 3 blade square tip warp drive prop for sale. No metal leading edge.
It has 170 hrs on it. Comes with standard hub and a brand new aluminum HP hub.
Prop is in good shape with a few minor nicks. This came off my Rotax 582.
Going to different power plant so this one is too small. Asking $600.00.
--------
Tony B.
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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| From: | "Vic" <vicsv(at)myfairpoint.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Xtra wing incidence |
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Xtra wing incidence
Mike, all
Your right Mike I was looking for any change in stall and top end speed
or any other pros or cons. Just wondered if it was worth the work. Your
experience will come in handy if I were to attempt the mod.
I have the short legs and hor. stab. about flush with top of tail tube.
2 up full trim requires some stick back
pressure. Not too much. I haven't flown solo so don't know how that will
work. Had I listened to Travis(as I should have) Stab LE would be 3/4"
above tail tube centerline as per plans.
Anyone else that flew solo was just having too much fun to remember
anything.
You brought up another question I can't figure out. If your tail comes
up on take off how does gear length matter?
Also, seems like someone was telling me dihedral is less beneficial in a
cross wind.
Don't have a clue, just asking.
Befuddled
Vic
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Xtra wing incidence |
Hi Vic=2C
As the MkIII's wings and stabilizers were originally configured=2C with t
he shorter aluminum legs=2C and the higher front mounting location of the h
or. stabilizer=2C the main wing's incidence evidently created a problem wit
h the landings.
If I recall correctly=2C in order to get a decent landing touch down=2C i
f the tail end was allowed to lower (due to longer steel gear legs)=2C the
plane could possibly become airborne....at a point you do NOT want that to
happen.
I'm only relaying information as I think I understood it. I do not speak
from firsthand experience=2C so maybe someone with a MkIII that has change
d from the aluminum legs to the steel legs can explain it better.
Mike Welch
From: vicsv(at)myfairpoint.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Xtra wing incidence
Date: Mon=2C 22 Mar 2010 09:02:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Xtra wing incidence
Mike=2C all
Your right Mike I was looking for any change in stall and top end speed or
any other pros or cons. Just wondered if it was worth the work. Your experi
ence will come in handy if I were to attempt the mod.
I have the short legs and hor. stab. about flush with top of tail tube. 2 u
p full trim requires some stick back
pressure. Not too much. I haven't flown solo so don't know how that will wo
rk. Had I listened to Travis(as I should have) Stab LE would be 3/4" above
tail tube centerline as per plans.
Anyone else that flew solo was just having too much fun to remember anythin
g.
You brought up another question I can't figure out. If your tail comes up o
n take off how does gear length matter?
Also=2C seems like someone was telling me dihedral is less beneficial in a
cross wind.
Don't have a clue=2C just asking.
Befuddled
Vic
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| From: | "Vic" <vicsv(at)myfairpoint.net> |
Bill
Does your landing technique vary much from dual to solo?
Vic
912 Xtra
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| Subject: | Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
| From: | "timwarlick" <tim.warlick(at)cox.net> |
Has anyone bought and installed the tube steel legs in their MK3 Classic? How long
did it take? How much did it change the stance? Any difference on landing?
Thanks,
Tim
--------
Tim
BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
Tucson, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Tim, several of us have. It is a fairly simple procedure. Support the cage, remove
the old, slide in the new ones (a little grease helps)
install the wheels temporarily for alignment and mark the sleeve to leg holes.
I used a scribe for the out lines. Remove again,
center punch and drill.
The only difference in landing is a slightly higher perspective at touchdown.
Handling is a little more lively and you can kick the tail easier.
The best benefit IMO is that you can pick it off the ground at barely flying speed
and then accelerate in ground effect. -good for
bumpy or soft fields.
BB
On 22, Mar 2010, at 11:30 PM, timwarlick wrote:
>
> Has anyone bought and installed the tube steel legs in their MK3 Classic? How
long did it take? How much did it change the stance? Any difference on landing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> --------
> Tim
> BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
> Tucson, AZ
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
Tim/All
A few of us have the older style solid spring steel gear legs. They only
increase the ride height by maybe 1 inch in my Classic. They give a very
smooth ride (reportedly much smoother than the new tubular legs) but can
launch you back in the air if you land hard. I would like the higher stance
but wouldn't change from what I have now. I purchased them used from another
Kolb driver that didn't like them because they were too springy.
Does anyone know if my gear legs can be bent down to give a higher stance.
The wheels tip in at the top now so bending would give a better more
vertical appearance when the plane is loaded.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "timwarlick" <tim.warlick(at)cox.net>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:30 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic
>
> Has anyone bought and installed the tube steel legs in their MK3 Classic?
> How long did it take? How much did it change the stance? Any difference on
> landing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> --------
> Tim
> BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
> Tucson, AZ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291371#291371
>
>
>
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
tRick=2C
If you bend spring steel past it's point of spring returning point=2C you
create a molecular hazard in the steel's crystalline structure. Failure a
t that bend location is eminent!
For all practical purposes=2C no=2C you can not bend your gear legs. Wel
l=2C you can=2C but it probably wouldn't be worth it.
Here's why: They are presently spring steel. If you bent them THAT much
=2C this would likely induce stress fractures.
So=2C rather than just bend them=2C what you would have to do is heat the
m up=2C and remove the spring treatment (this is often referred to the stee
l losing it's "tempering").
Next=2C you could then bend them to your new shape.
Lastly=2C you would need to reheat treat them to your preferred Rockwell
hardness number.
For all the crap you'd have to go through=2C in a nutshell=2C it would be
tter to buy or make new ones=2C than bend spring steel old ones.
Mike Welch
MkIII
> From: NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic
> Date: Tue=2C 23 Mar 2010 12:29:22 -0400
>
mcast.net>
>
> Tim/All
>
> A few of us have the older style solid spring steel gear legs. They only
> increase the ride height by maybe 1 inch in my Classic. They give a very
> smooth ride (reportedly much smoother than the new tubular legs) but can
> launch you back in the air if you land hard. I would like the higher stan
ce
> but wouldn't change from what I have now. I purchased them used from anot
her
> Kolb driver that didn't like them because they were too springy.
>
> Does anyone know if my gear legs can be bent down to give a higher stance
.
> The wheels tip in at the top now so bending would give a better more
> vertical appearance when the plane is loaded.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "timwarlick" <tim.warlick(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday=2C March 22=2C 2010 11:30 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic
>
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> >
> > Has anyone bought and installed the tube steel legs in their MK3 Classi
c?
> > How long did it take? How much did it change the stance? Any difference
on
> > landing?
> >
> > Thanks=2C
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > --------
> > Tim
> > BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
> > Tucson=2C AZ
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
If you bend spring steel past it's point of spring returning point, you
create a molecular hazard in the steel's crystalline structure. Failure at
that bend location is eminent!
For all the crap you'd have to go through, in a nutshell, it would better
to buy or make new ones, than bend spring steel old ones.
Mike Welch
Mike W/Gang:
The way I fly it is eminent my gear legs get bent. This last set I made up,
after my crash at Muncho Lake, BC, in 2000, has been straightened three
times, if I am remembering correctly. I bent them pretty good last year
trying to takeoff out of Grants, NM, with John B and Bruce C, never
straightened them. They don't look so bad and I will fly this year without
pressing them straight.
To be able to bend the gear leg without failure is one of the reasons I only
treat to around 48RC.
I straighten the bends out of my legs on a press. Made up some 2X4 wooden
blocks to hold them and allow the press to push them well past center. It
always frightens me that they have to go so far past center to get the bend
out of them.
Never had one of my legs fail because I straightened them.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
Has anyone bought and installed the tube steel legs in their MK3
Classic? How long did it take? How much did it change the stance? Any
difference on landing?
Thanks,
Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I put the solid tapered steel gear in my mkIII... seems it widened the
stance 3 to 4 inches per side. and made it a bit taller as well. the
gear seems ok... but I have been tempted to build the gear legs and
have them heat treated and give that a try.
my biggest complaint with the steel gear legs is that they bent the
lower end for the wheels at too much of an angle. and it looked squatted
down from the day I mounted the engine.
the plane rides smoother than with the alum gear. and I can't tell any
difference in ground handling. the change over probably took a day.
drilling the gear for the mounting bolt was probably the worse.
boyd Young
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| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
I learn something new every day. I wasn't aware they made solid steel legs. Was
the diameter smaller to make up for the weight gain?
The hollow ones I bought from TNK are a touch more springy than the aluminum legs
but do not ride as smooth. (hard to explain :)
I've whacked 'em pretty good on occasion but haven't seen any change in shape.
Must be sturdy.
The aluminum legs, of which I have two serviceable pairs sitting on the Kolb shelf,
tend to take a little set no matter what you do to them.
Drilling the TNK supplied versions wasn't a problem. I don't bother with jigging
up on the drill press since I'm notoriously bad at it.
I drill from each side to the middle with a slightly undersized bit and clean the
bore to true with the right size.
This is the idiot proof method.
Wet and dismal here in upstate NY after two weeks of false but welcome spring.
I pulled out my ancient poly tanks and swapped the plumbing to
new ones. After grinding through a formidable stack of IRS forms I'll get them
back in.
BB
On 23, Mar 2010, at 12:29 PM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
>
> Tim/All
>
> A few of us have the older style solid spring steel gear legs. They only increase
the ride height by maybe 1 inch in my Classic. They give a very smooth ride
(reportedly much smoother than the new tubular legs) but can launch you back
in the air if you land hard. I would like the higher stance but wouldn't change
from what I have now. I purchased them used from another Kolb driver that
didn't like them because they were too springy.
>
> Does anyone know if my gear legs can be bent down to give a higher stance. The
wheels tip in at the top now so bending would give a better more vertical appearance
when the plane is loaded.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "timwarlick" <tim.warlick(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:30 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic
>
>
>>
>> Has anyone bought and installed the tube steel legs in their MK3 Classic? How
long did it take? How much did it change the stance? Any difference on landing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --------
>> Tim
>> BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
>> Tucson, AZ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291371#291371
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive prop for sale!!! |
| From: | "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com> |
I guess I should have checked the price on these before posting. I lowered the
price to $475.00 obo.
--------
Tony B.
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
Mike W/Gang:
The way I fly it is eminent my gear legs get bent.
To be able to bend the gear leg without failure is one of the reasons I onl
y treat to around 48RC.
Never had one of my legs fail because I straightened them.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus=2C Alabama
John H=2C
Bending hardened steel is a relative term=2C I guess I should have said
"It depends on the hardness=2C the degree of bend=2C and some other factors
." So=2C yes=2C I agree=2C you can bend
"some" hardeded steel.
I recall one time when I bought a Mitsubishi 4x4 tractor=2C and got the d
inky 7' backhoe to go with it. I don't treat my construction equipment lig
htly=2C so needless to say=2C I bent the main cylinder the very first day.
45 degree bend on a straight shaft=2C looked like a broken arm!!! This w
as the 1.5" solid steel shaft.
I took the cylinder apart=2C put it in a press=2C bend it back to near pe
rfect......and quietly tooked the backhoe back to my dealer. I said "take
it back=2C and order me the next bigger model". For the additional $3800
=2C I never bent anything on it again.
Mike Welch
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
Bending hardened steel is a relative term, I guess I should have said
"It depends on the hardness, the degree of bend, and some other factors."
So, yes, I agree, you can bend
"some" hardeded steel.
Mike Welch
Mike W/Gang:No sweat. We are talking about 4130 gear legs on Kolb
aircraft. Most all are using 48rc.Started experimenting with them in 1987.
First ones were 42rc because that is what Maxair was using on their 4130
gear legs. Way to soft. Next set we went to 48rc and never looked back.A
few years later, old Kolb came out with solide 4130 legs. New Kolb came out
with 4130 tubular legs with a bend in order to compensate for the low angle
of the gear leg sockets.john hauckmkIIITitus, Alabama
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| From: | "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | warp drive props |
Have you seed the stories about warp drive props on Ultralight store .
Contact me and I will forward for any one interested/ Pete
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive props |
- Pete- How old is that article?
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----------- Bill Sullivan
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----------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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----------- FS 447
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| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Rob,
The legs reduce in dia.almost flush with the socket,to about 1/2 "smaller
then taper to the wheel to about 5/8".Not exact dimensions but close.I di
dn't know how rough Blackwater field was until I landed Joe Sable's MK3C
with 4130 tube gear on it.Gonna let some air out of them tires.
G.Aman MK3 C spring steel legs
-----Original Message-----
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic
I learn something new every day. I wasn't aware they made solid steel leg
s.
Was the diameter smaller to make up for the weight gain?
The hollow ones I bought from TNK are a touch more springy than the alumin
um
legs but do not ride as smooth. (hard to explain :)
I've whacked 'em pretty good on occasion but haven't seen any change in sh
ape.
Must be sturdy.
The aluminum legs, of which I have two serviceable pairs sitting on the Ko
lb
shelf, tend to take a little set no matter what you do to them.
Drilling the TNK supplied versions wasn't a problem. I don't bother with
jigging up on the drill press since I'm notoriously bad at it.
I drill from each side to the middle with a slightly undersized bit and cl
ean
the bore to true with the right size.
This is the idiot proof method.
Wet and dismal here in upstate NY after two weeks of false but welcome sp
ring.
I pulled out my ancient poly tanks and swapped the plumbing to
new ones. After grinding through a formidable stack of IRS forms I'll get
them
back in.
BB
On 23, Mar 2010, at 12:29 PM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
>
> Tim/All
>
> A few of us have the older style solid spring steel gear legs. They only
increase the ride height by maybe 1 inch in my Classic. They give a very
smooth
ride (reportedly much smoother than the new tubular legs) but can launch
you
back in the air if you land hard. I would like the higher stance but would
n't
change from what I have now. I purchased them used from another Kolb drive
r that
didn't like them because they were too springy.
>
> Does anyone know if my gear legs can be bent down to give a higher stanc
e. The
wheels tip in at the top now so bending would give a better more vertical
appearance when the plane is loaded.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "timwarlick" <tim.warlick(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:30 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic
>
>
>>
>> Has anyone bought and installed the tube steel legs in their MK3 Classi
c? How
long did it take? How much did it change the stance? Any difference on lan
ding?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> --------
>> Tim
>> BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
>> Tucson, AZ
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291371#291371
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| From: | "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive props |
Tue mar 23 2010
----- Original Message -----
From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:00 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Warp Drive props
Pete- How old is that article?
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive props |
- I wonder if the hub cracking is only one of their types.- There are a
lot of Warp Drives out there with a good reputation for being tough and lo
ng lasting.- If the design was bad it would have cropped up a long time a
go.- Maybe a bad batch of castings?- I have a different style hub than
the one pictured.
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------------------ Bill Sullivan
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------------------ Windsor Locks, Ct.
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------------------ FS 447/Warp Drive (a
n old one)
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Warp Drive Propellers |
Folks:
I have been flying Warp Drive Propellers for 18 years and over 3,000 hours.
Warp Drive is my prop of choice. All three of my Alaska flights were made
with Warp Drive props. This prop is the only link between my engine and the
air we fly in. I would not leave home without the Warp Drive.
After many years Warp Drive now has a new web site:
http://www.warpdriveinc.com/
Of significant note is the 140,000+ props manufactured and shipped by Warp
Drive from their beginning in 1988 to the end of 2009.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | FSII rebuild - aileron hinges |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Update on the rebuild of the donor wing that came back from Florida to rebuild
the FSII. Used the original tip gussets, and even though the holes were not well
aligned, used them instead of trying to make new ones, since the rivet holes
were not wallowed out and everything could be made to fit well.
But there was a more serious problem: the old aileron hinges were missing, and
from the looks of the drilled out rivet holes, it is not hard to imagine why.
Some of the holes are wallowed out to 5/32", oblong, etc. Thought about trying
to match drill all the holes and go to 5/32" rivets, but that sounded like an
awful lot of work for meager rewards.
Decided instead to just relocate the hinge closest to the wing root, move it in
a few inches to a new spot, forget using a center hinge and use two additional
hinges spaced evenly in between the inboard hinge and the tip instead, but the
wing tip hinge itself was a bit more problematic. You can't really move the
hinge elsewhere, you have to keep it where it belongs. So I copied Vince Nicely's
method of using double loaded hinges that go in two directions, that way
even if your tubing is a bit Swiss cheesed, you still spread the load around pretty
well.
One normal sized hinge in the middle, holes spaced to fit between the original
holes (gag - hate it, but what can you do?) and then a smaller hinge at either
end going to the other part of the tube to eliminate flex bending of the hinge
and add support to the whole arrangement. Not the ideal way, but ideally - the
airplane would never have been rolled up into a ball last year and none of
this would be happening.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: FSII rebuild - aileron hinges |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
> Was that done with a "Tennessee Straight edge"? :) Will you pull (aluminum)
rivets into the empty holes for cosmetic reasons?
> BB
>
I knew this would happen...
The wandering row of rivets in the gusset were already in the gusset when I pulled
it out of the parts box that came with the basket case wing, and it seemed
better to put the original gusset back in place and refill the original holes
than to make more holes just to have things straight and proper.
Will probably not refill the left over holes, they will be covered by at least
two layers of fabric anyway, you won't see them.
It is what it is, a donor wing that will end up being airworthy. And after it's
painted, all will be forgiven. (Or at least hidden...)
PS: Sorry I didn't have any way to take a picture of Steven Greene's MKIII before
it was covered. His Tennessee straight edge must have been a laser, never saw
such pretty rivet rows in my life. You could sight down the inside of his main
spar or anywhere else and just feel unworthy.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
Richard, The solution to your problem is very clever, I would never
have thought about splitting the hinge. Did you consider putting a
short sleeve inside the old tube? If so, why didn`t you go that
route? Lanny FSII
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| From: | George Bearden <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
> Failure at that bend location is eminent!
Not quite certain of that I think. Certainly worth watching though.
> This last set I made up has been straightened three times
john hauck
I have a much modified 4x4. I suppose I abuse it. I call it my chew-toy. I do rock-crawling,
dune-bashing, jumps, tows, sand drags, etc. I have regeared the
tranny and the t-case. I have pumped up the engine, put lockers in the diffs,
and run big gnarly tires. The suspension is nothing like stock.
The torque I send to the tires bends springs all the time. It's just the front
springs now since I put a tract bar in the rear. I straighten them all the time
on my press. I haven't had to replace a leaf yet. The potential consequences
of a failure are profound, maybe I better inspect them more often.
It is true that bending a spring past the 'elastic deformation' into the 'plastic'
introduces dislocations [1] in the atomic metalic matrix of the metal. This
has a tendency to make the metal stiffer at that point. It is called work-hardedning.
We use this technique all the time in metal products.
If you put a coat hanger into your wood stove for a few hours, you won't be able
to use it as a coat hanger anymore. It will not support a coat! You will have
'annealed' it, and allowed these dislocations to relax back into a smooth matrix,
which bends easily.
[1] like an earthquake fault sorta. A break in the crystaline structure. It tends
to jam the movement of one row of atoms against the other. Like putting a monkey
wrench in the gears or nailing two boards together. As in the carbon atoms
in steel... it works similarly.
GeoB
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
>
>> Failure at that bend location is eminent!
>
>Not quite certain of that I think. Certainly worth watching though.
>
Geo & Folks,
Each time you over bend into the plastic region work hardening takes place.
When you straighten the leg the over stretched portion does not shrink back
into place due to the work hardening. The opposite side does the stretching
into the plastic region so that the leg can be straighten. And so now both
sides are work hardened.
If you bend the leg again in the same manner as the leg was imposed to
before, more than likely, it will bend in the region just above over below
the previous area of work hardening. If the bending is minor, this will let
the leg be straightened several times, until the work hardened area must
bend again. And then the process will repeat and can be repeated until the
work hardened area becomes brittle, and then failure will occur.
FWIW
Jack B Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
>And then the process will repeat and can be repeated until the
> work hardened area becomes brittle=2C and then failure will occur.
> FWIW
>
> Jack B Hart FF004
> Winchester=2C IN
Jack=2C George and group=2C
I think you are both saying basically what I said. But=2C I made a blank
et statement "you can't do it."
The fact is...you can.
The only question is=3B for how long=2C and how many times? That would d
epend=2C of course=2C on a million variables that are too lengthy to get i
nto.
So=2C suffice to say this: When you bend hardened steel beyond it's elas
ticity=2C and then you bend it back=2C bad ju-ju may happen!!
There=2C I cleared that one up!!
Best regards=2C
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
So, suffice to say this: When you bend hardened steel beyond it's
elasticity, and then you bend it back, bad ju-ju may happen!!
There, I cleared that one up!!
Best regards,
Mike Welch
Mike W/Gang:
I think you guys missed my point.
I am having pretty good success with gear legs I built in 2001. Made two
flights to Alaska on these legs. Bent them enough to pull and straighten
them three times. They have been stressed many times in the last 9 years.
I understand the theory of work hardening. In the case of my gear legs, I
am getting great service from them, even after "really" pranging them last
May in NM for the fourth time.
If I thought my gear legs were going to break next time I taxied across my
cow pasture, I'd go build some new ones. I think these legs will outlast
you and me.
john hauck
mkIII - 6,733 landings (Probably 3,000 on present gear legs.)
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
I think the concept that Jack made is enlightening. The new hard point
will not flex, so outboard in both directions
new areas become the default flex points until they too will not flex,
and on, until the whole system yields at the most
vulnerable point because there is no more flexible area left.
Out of curiosity, a report of the actual break location of both the
steel and aluminum legs would be interesting.
BB
On 24, Mar 2010, at 5:00 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> >And then the process will repeat and can be repeated until the
> > work hardened area becomes brittle, and then failure will occur.
> > FWIW
> >
> > Jack B Hart FF004
> > Winchester, IN
>
> Jack, George and group,
>
> I think you are both saying basically what I said. But, I made a
blanket statement "you can't do it."
> The fact is...you can.
>
> The only question is; for how long, and how many times? That would
depend, of course, on a million variables that are too lengthy to get
into.
>
> So, suffice to say this: When you bend hardened steel beyond it's
elasticity, and then you bend it back, bad ju-ju may happen!!
>
> There, I cleared that one up!!
>
> Best regards,
> Mike Welch
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FSII rebuild |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
No, it is at the tip and doesn't need much, it just needs not to have the hinge
flexing around. And splitting the hinge and attaching it is easy.
You drill & cleco the usual hinge normally, using an extra long piece of hinge
wire scrap. Then take what ever extra hinge additions you plan to use, (pre-drilled
for the rivet holes) slide it on the hinge wire, and just let it hang down
between the rear spar and the aileron tube. (Working with the wing upside down
as the plans show) Push the little hinge segment up against the tube, & where
ever it goes, that's where it needs to be. Drill it, cleco it, you're done.
Spent the day in the garage working on mowers, tillers, etc. and had to stand the
wing up out of the way, so here is what the hinge setup looks like from the
other side. You are looking down from the top of the wing, and the aileron is
as if it were hanging straight down.
One thing is for sure: this type hinge setup does not flex. Period.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | <apilot(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: alum gear legs |
My addition of very strong springs which pull from the upper part of the gear leg
to the axle seem to take the intial load of a hard landing. They are partially
stretched even when airborne. So far, the gear leg has not bent. Still
trying to land gently. Vic in Sacramento
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FSll rebuild |
- Richard- I really like the idea of the "X" hinge arrangement.- Simple
, and spreads the stress.- It should probably be adopted as a standard me
thod of attaching them.- When the weather breaks, I think I'll take a har
d look at mine.- Thanks.
-
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---------------------- Bill Sul
livan
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---------------------- Windsor
Locks, Ct.
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---------------------- FS 447
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---------------------- 42 degre
es and sunny
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| From: | "Vic" <vicsv(at)myfairpoint.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FSll rebuild |
" Richard- I really like the idea of the "X" hinge arrangement. Simple,
and spreads the stress. It should probably be adopted as a standard
method of attaching them."
I agree! For quite awhile I've suspected loose fitting hinges as a
starting point for
aileron flutter.
Vic in Maine
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| From: | "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FSll rebuild |
Hi All,
Ideas like the X bracing of the aileron hinges are some of the
reasons I think the Kolb-List is the best thing to come along since
sliced bread and caned beans.
Frank Goodnight
FS 2
Brownsville , TX
On Mar 25, 2010, at 7:35 AM, william sullivan wrote:
> Richard- I really like the idea of the "X" hinge arrangement.
> Simple, and spreads the stress. It should probably be adopted as a
> standard method of attaching them. When the weather breaks, I think
> I'll take a hard look at mine. Thanks.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
> 42 degrees and sunny
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
| From: | "ronlee" <rlee468(at)comcast.net> |
I hope this doesn't turn into a Toyota type problem. I have been driving them for
hundreds of thousands miles and never had any problems. Now I have one with
three recalls, go figure.
--------
Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
I hope this doesn't turn into a Toyota type problem. I have been driving
them for hundreds of thousands miles and never had any problems. Now I have
one with three recalls, go figure.
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
Ron L/Gang:
Just got off the phone with Daryl at Warp Drive.
Warp Drive is not having any current problems with their props and hubs.
The failures referenced on this web site http://www.ultralightnews.ca/ are
ancient history from 1986, and prior.
Daryl said if anyone has any current problems with their Warp Drive Prop to
call him directly at:
1-800-833-9357.
john hauck
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
Kolbers,
It looks like Warp solved it hub problem in that hub failure reports stopped
in December, 2005.
Jan 2001 - hub failure, Continental 10-240
Jun 2001 - cracked hub, 912s, two blade
Oct 2001 - cracked hub, jabiru, two blade
Dec 2005 - cracked hub, Rotax 582, CH701
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
It looks like Warp solved it hub problem in that hub failure reports
stopped
in December, 2005.
Jan 2001 - hub failure, Continental 10-240
Jun 2001 - cracked hub, 912s, two blade
Oct 2001 - cracked hub, jabiru, two blade
Dec 2005 - cracked hub, Rotax 582, CH701
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack H/Gang:
I did not mention the above incidents in my previous post to the List
because they did not apply to Kolb aircraft. However, since you posted
them, please note they all apply to tractor aircraft and two blade props.
Darly told me the Continental 10-240 was an odd ball engine that broke props
and hubs of most any make or model.
Jabiru has never been able to successfully operate with a composite prop.
VW direct drive has the same problem.
The 912S's went to three blade Warp Drive props and had no more problems, as
did the 582 on the CH701.
Why would http://www.ultralightnews.ca/ publish an article like this after
the fact? Your guess is as good as mine. The article attempts to make Warp
Drive look bad.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
John,
All this goes to show that no one make of propeller is good for all
applications. This is why certified aircraft are certified with one
combination of engine and propeller. If you want to break a crankshaft or
tear up a reduction unit, mount a high inertia stiff propeller.
The warp drive hub failure was not exclusively on tractor installations.
One was reported earlier in 1997 that was mounted on a Long-EZ.
It seems to me that if there is an alternative to a stiff high inertia
propeller that gives comparable flight performance, one should move in that
direction and in doing so reduce the stress loading on engine mounts,
fuselage cage and pilot.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
All this goes to show that no one make of propeller is good for all
applications. This is why certified aircraft are certified with one
combination of engine and propeller. If you want to break a crankshaft or
tear up a reduction unit, mount a high inertia stiff propeller.
The warp drive hub failure was not exclusively on tractor installations.
One was reported earlier in 1997 that was mounted on a Long-EZ.
It seems to me that if there is an alternative to a stiff high inertia
propeller that gives comparable flight performance, one should move in that
direction and in doing so reduce the stress loading on engine mounts,
fuselage cage and pilot.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Hi Jack H/Gang:
Not necessarily true. I don't think you could mount a "higher inertia stiff
propeller" than a two blade aluminum prop. Aluminum props probably
outnumber all others on GA aircraft, and a lot of experimentals.
Long-EZ not a tractor installation, but it was a direct drive installation.
Back to my original post in reply to Warp Drive failures, I am interested in
Kolb aircraft, not all the others.
john hauck
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
>
>
>Hi Jack H/Gang:
>
..............
>Long-EZ not a tractor installation, but it was a direct drive installation.
>
>Back to my original post in reply to Warp Drive failures, I am interested in
>Kolb aircraft, not all the others.
>
John,
Then you will be interested to know that some Kolbs mount direct drive
Jabiru engines and some mount Rotax 582's.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
Then you will be interested to know that some Kolbs mount direct drive
Jabiru engines and some mount Rotax 582's.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack H/Gang:
Well...I was aware of that.
My flying buddy, John Williamson and I flew quite a bit together when his
Kolbra was powered by a direct drive Jabiru using a three blade Warp Drive
prop. John never had a prop problem.
I powered my MKIII with a 582 and a three blade Warp Drive prop. I had no
prop problem.
The Jabiru and 582 engines that had problems were trying to fly two blade
Warp Drive props.
What is your point?
john hauck
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers and the condition of the Alvord |
You will notice that I have changed the subject line a bit, because I
want to address two issues.
I looked at the pictures of the props that were the problem, and it is
plain to me, (I own a two blade warp) that the entire holding set up has
been changed from the props that were having the problems. The method of
attachment has been changed, so actually any comparison between the two
is not applicable until one of the newer ones happens to develop cracks,
no matter what they are installed on. The ones that were having the
problem looked as though they were cast pieces, the newer ones have a
flat plate that they are secured to, no edges or corners to start a
crack. I have included two pictures of the current configuration of the
prop for your comparison. Quite frankly, I am confused that the article
failed to mention that the blades were the older style. It seems to me
to be a bit like the stuff that the Enquirer likes to publish.
The weather finally cleared a bit, and the wind calmed down, so I
decided to go flying. It was my intent to go to the Alvord (33 air
miles) and take the video camera with me so that I could post a video of
the flight to perhaps get the list out of a bit of the doldrums that
seems to be infecting it. Alas, for what ever reason the white balance
was off so badly that the biggest part of the vid was very surreal and
red, so I scrapped it. The light was bad as I was flying towards the
sun and nothing was illuminated except the ground. The bad white balance
was still off for most of the trip, but it wasn't worth messing with so
you will have to take my word for it.
The temps were 65 degrees on the ground and the wind mostly calm, but at
an altitude of 6000 feet it was as bumpy and thermals were everywhere. I
was hitting GPS speeds of 80 mph, but it was so uncomfortable that I
finally stuck the nose down to get close enough of the ground to take
advantage of the friction to slow the air enough to make it a bit more
comfortable to fly. It was one of those flights where when you land you
are burping for quite a while after. The lake bed is pretty much under
water as this has been a wet year for us, and the creeks that are dry
almost all the year were running bank full.
Larry Cottrell,
HKS700 on a Firestar II about 300 hours on the blade.
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From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Warp Drive Propellers
Then you will be interested to know that some Kolbs mount direct
drive
Jabiru engines and some mount Rotax 582's.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack H/Gang:
Well...I was aware of that.
My flying buddy, John Williamson and I flew quite a bit together when
his
Kolbra was powered by a direct drive Jabiru using a three blade Warp
Drive
prop. John never had a prop problem.
I powered my MKIII with a 582 and a three blade Warp Drive prop. I
had no
prop problem.
The Jabiru and 582 engines that had problems were trying to fly two
blade
Warp Drive props.
What is your point?
john hauck
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
John Hauck wrote:
...Jabiru has never been able to successfully operate with a composite prop....
Don't tell Sensnich or Jabiru that because Sensenich makes a carbon fiber prop for Jabiru engines that Jabiru recommends, among others. See http://www.sensenich.com/products/browse/14/5/291/0
Don't tell the Titan Tornado dealer in Utah (Motion Aero) that since they've built and been flying for years both Jab 2200 and Jab 3300 Tornaods with Warp Drive props with no problems. They also have a 3300 with an IVO composite prop. See http://www.motionaero.com/Engines-Tornado.html and read captions under top two photos.
Why would John Hauck make such a statement that is demonstrably false?
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
Why would John Hauck make such a statement that is demonstrably false?
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Thom Riddle
Thom R/Gang:
He was probably misinformed and made a mistake.
john hauck
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
- Thom- I think the confusion is because of the Ultralight news article,
and like John said it is very old news.- The photos shown in the article
seemed to show the hub casting for the three blade prop.- I have a very o
ld two blade with a hub like Larry's.- I has been in a storm-blown rollov
er, plus my belly-up with the engine running.- Plus years of exposure to
salt air.- I went and gave it a careful look-see after the initial report
, and there is no visual sign of anything suspicious (no dis-assembly).-
It might be interesting to get ahold of Ultralight News and find out why th
ey published it.- Darryl at Warp Drive indicated that it may be from a pr
oblem 20 years ago.- What kind of prop are you running?- Have you ever
had one come apart?
-
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---------------------- Bill Sul
livan
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---------------------- Windsor
Locks, ct.
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---------------------- FS 447/W
D 2 blade
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Bill,
I've owned and flown IVO, GSC, PowerFin, WoodComp and Tennessee props on experimental
and light sport aircraft, but never a Warp Drive or Sensenich. Not because
I wouldn't, just because those listed were on and working well on airplanes
I've bought.
Except for the plastic coating on the TN prop that started peeling when flown in
the rain and the uneven pitch of the blades on that prop, both of which were
fixed by TN free of charge, I've never had a problem with any of those props
I've owned. Not many companies stay in the prop business long if their product
self-destructs under normal use, does not perform well enough to get repeat business,
or the customer support is poor.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
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| From: | "Vic" <vicsv(at)myfairpoint.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
Robert,
I discovered early on that if you remove the larger prop bolts (Warp Hub)
first, all that torque
is transfered to the smaller bolts. Now I loosen them first.
Vic in Maine
"The only point I might make, and it may be nothing to worry about, is that
once I was torquing the bolts and
one of the little outboard fellas decided to strip. -no, I didn't
overtorque it, maybe someone else did once?
Anyway, since then I use a lower torque value for those. Not sure what the
number is, I wrote it on the hub."
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellors |
- The reason for my concern on this subject is that I have no idea of the
age on my Warp Drive, just that it is probably in the mid- to late 1980's.
- Larry's photo indicates that mine is a current design, and the only cas
t portions are the blade retainers.- The photos showing the hub failures
appear to be three blade, and much more complex in their design.- As long
as this article seems to be old news, I will just relegate it to special a
ttention on the check list.- Thanks to all.
-
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-------------------- Bill Sullivan
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-------------------- Windsor locks,
Ct.
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-------------------- FS 447/WD 2 bl
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Rick, I like the looks of the MS21042. I think it may have been the AN
365 nut that gave me the problem and not the bolt
but I tossed both of them at the time. The AN363 is beefy but the cut
slots may injure the bolt threads over time and repeated use.
Those industrial packing nuts look pretty good too. :)
BB
DSCN2202
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Bob- I'd want to check with Darryl at Warp Drive before using any type
of de-formed locknut.- The torque on that style nut is drastically differ
ent than a nylock nut, without supplying adequate pressure to the secured p
arts.- On some, you can exceed the recommended torque without the nut eve
n pulling tight.- Nylocks have a limited service life, as they lose their
drag if used a few times.- Some places recommend replacing nylocks after
only a couple of uses.- Be careful, here.
-
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---------------------- Bill Sul
livan
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---------------------- Windsor
Locks, Ct.
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---------------------- FS 447
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
Bob, Bill, All
I use standard nuts on my prop bolts so that I can get a accurate torque
setting. Then I add a Nylock locknut over the prop bolt to keep it safe.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:21 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: prop nuts
Bob- I'd want to check with Darryl at Warp Drive before using
any type of de-formed locknut. The torque on that style nut is
drastically different than a nylock nut, without supplying adequate
pressure to the secured parts. On some, you can exceed the recommended
torque without the nut even pulling tight. Nylocks have a limited
service life, as they lose their drag if used a few times. Some places
recommend replacing nylocks after only a couple of uses. Be careful,
here.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks,
Ct.
FS 447
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| Subject: | Battery mounting options |
| From: | "timwarlick" <tim.warlick(at)cox.net> |
My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The battery
only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I would like to
put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the motorcycle battery)
but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the nose. What other locations
are builders using for a larger battery?
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Tim
BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
Tucson, AZ
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Rick=2C
Your method is pretty close to what I did. I used standard nuts=2C torqu
ed with a 1/4" drive torque wrench=2C then a second standard nut=2C with a
tiny daub of Locktite=2C so the first nut stays tight.
(No Locktite on the first nut to affect torque setting=2C only on the sec
ond one)
Mike Welch
From: NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: prop nuts
Date: Sat=2C 27 Mar 2010 12:25:42 -0400
Bob=2C Bill=2C All
I use standard nuts on my prop bolts so that I can get a accurate torque se
tting. Then I add a Nylock locknut over the prop bolt to keep it safe.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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From: william sullivan
Sent: Saturday=2C March 27=2C 2010 11:21 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: prop nuts
Bob- I'd want to check with Darryl at Warp Drive before using any type of
de-formed locknut. The torque on that style nut is drastically different
than a nylock nut=2C without supplying adequate pressure to the secured par
ts. On some=2C you can exceed the recommended torque without the nut even
pulling tight. Nylocks have a limited service life=2C as they lose their d
rag if used a few times. Some places recommend replacing nylocks after onl
y a couple of uses. Be careful=2C here.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks=2C Ct.
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery mounting options |
I would first be curious as to why the battery only lasts "about a
year". I get much better use out of mine, more in the range of two
years.
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From: timwarlick
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The
battery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings.
I would like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the
motorcycle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the
nose. What other locations are builders using for a larger battery?
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Tim
BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
Tucson, AZ
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| From: | Sky Biker Richardson <smlplanet(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Battery mounting options |
What type battery are you using that only last a year? I have a Mark 3 C/91
2 also and use a sealed motorcycle battery and last 3-4 years. They cost mo
re that the lead batteries but last longer. It is mounted in the nose alon
g with a 3 fuel reserve tank also.
> Subject: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
> From: tim.warlick(at)cox.net
> Date: Sat=2C 27 Mar 2010 09:57:30 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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ttery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I wou
ld like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the motorcy
cle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the nose. Wha
t other locations are builders using for a larger battery?
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> BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
> Tucson=2C AZ
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Bob, The 21042 you have pictured is the -L variant (lubed), the non-lubed
version looks just like your packing nut. As for William's contention that a
deformed lock nut requires a different torque than that of a nylock just
isn't supported by 43.13-1B or anywhere else that I can find.
Atached is the spec for the 21042. Note in the table on page 2 the minimum
torque a -4 (1/4") nut must be capable of is 150 in lb., 20% more than the
spec for the 1/4-28 blade bolts of the WD prop.
Rick
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:07 AM, robert bean wrote:
> Rick, I like the looks of the MS21042. I think it may have been the AN 365
> nut that gave me the problem and not the bolt
> but I tossed both of them at the time. The AN363 is beefy but the cut
> slots may injure the bolt threads over time and repeated use.
>
> Those industrial packing nuts look pretty good too. :)
> BB
>
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> DSCN2202
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Battery mounting options |
Tim=2C
I used the area behind the (right) passenger seat=2C up next to the right
main gear socket tube. It fit there reasonably well.
I can't vouch that this is a good location=2C especially since I haven't do
ne my final weight and balance.
Before I reinstall the battery=2C I will be doing my W & B=2C and then I
can determine whether or not it will stay at that location=2C due to weight
considerations.
BTW=2C I also have the same problem with batteries dying early. When I d
on't drive my Mercedes SL500 very much=2C the battery goes dead. It seems
like everytime I want to drive my car=2C I have to charge the battery first
!! And reset the clock=2C and recycle the windows=2C and reset the securit
y alarm....pain in the butt!!
After getting tired of this routine=2C I bought a battery tender about tw
o ago. It's one of those dinky battery chargers things=2C that keep the ba
ttery charged at all times.
My SL500 fires right up every time!!
I'd suggest running down to your local auto parts store and picking up one
of those battery tenders.
Plus=2C if you park your plane where there isn't any handy 110volt plug-i
ns=2C get the solar powered one.
From my experience (finally!!)=2C they are worth the effort.
BTW=2C the reason a battery dies after only one year=2C is because they g
o totally dead between charges. If if were kept charged at al times=2C it
would last MUCH longer.
In my opinion=2C your problem isn't where you have located a small batter
y=2C it's that you don't keep the battery charged properly. Even a bigger
battery will go dead=2C if not used very often=2C and the more often they g
o dead=2C the sooner they die.
Mike Welch
> Subject: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
> From: tim.warlick(at)cox.net
> Date: Sat=2C 27 Mar 2010 09:57:30 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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ttery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I wou
ld like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the motorcy
cle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the nose. What
other locations are builders using for a larger battery?
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Tim=2C
My mind moves quicker than my fingers. Two MONTHS ago=2C is when I bough
t a battery tender.
The question is simple=3B When your battery was new=2C would it start yo
ur motor? If your answer is "yes"=2C then the problem isn't needing a bigg
er battery=2C it's keeping the one you have charged!!
Because like I said=2C a bigger battery will die=2C too.
If your battery will start your motor when the battery is fully charged
=2C the trick=2C then=2C is to make sure it is always fully charged!!
Right now=2C I have a one year old battery in my motorcycle dieing. I do
n't start it but about every 6 months or longer=2C lately. Before I ever b
uy another one=2C I will also get the battery tender. This dead battery st
uff is just getting old=2C and what's more=2C it's unnecessary!!
Just my thoughts.....
Mike Welch
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Rick- I have no documentation of the difference in torque on various ty
pes of locknuts.- But I suggest you try it, and observe the difference.
- Take a bolt and put it threads up in a vice.- The bigger the better.
- Then use a beam type torque wrench and screw a nylock down.- Dot it a
few times, and the torque resistance is a lot lower.- A grade 5 deformed
nut has much more resistance, and a grade 8 is very difficult to turn- wit
hout being bottomed out.- Using a 5/8" bolt, the deformed nuts can stall
an impact wrench before bottoming out.- I spent almost 40 years as a truc
k mechanic- the deformed ones can hurt.-
-
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----------------------- Bill
Sullivan
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----------------------- Winds
or Locks, Ct.
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----------------------- FS 44
7
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| From: | Sky Biker Richardson <smlplanet(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Battery mounting options |
I have to agree with Mike about the maintainer. As I said mine last 3-4 yrs
. I also have a battery solar charging panel mounted in the center gap seal
so as to always be something trickling in to the battery. The panel is mou
nt on the under side of the clear lexan center gap seal in front of the en
gine.
From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
Date: Sat=2C 27 Mar 2010 10:34:34 -0700
Tim=2C
I used the area behind the (right) passenger seat=2C up next to the right
main gear socket tube. It fit there reasonably well.
I can't vouch that this is a good location=2C especially since I haven't do
ne my final weight and balance.
Before I reinstall the battery=2C I will be doing my W & B=2C and then I
can determine whether or not it will stay at that location=2C due to weight
considerations.
BTW=2C I also have the same problem with batteries dying early. When I d
on't drive my Mercedes SL500 very much=2C the battery goes dead. It seems
like everytime I want to drive my car=2C I have to charge the battery first
!! And reset the clock=2C and recycle the windows=2C and reset the securit
y alarm....pain in the butt!!
After getting tired of this routine=2C I bought a battery tender about tw
o ago. It's one of those dinky battery chargers things=2C that keep the ba
ttery charged at all times.
My SL500 fires right up every time!!
I'd suggest running down to your local auto parts store and picking up one
of those battery tenders.
Plus=2C if you park your plane where there isn't any handy 110volt plug-i
ns=2C get the solar powered one.
From my experience (finally!!)=2C they are worth the effort.
BTW=2C the reason a battery dies after only one year=2C is because they g
o totally dead between charges. If if were kept charged at al times=2C it
would last MUCH longer.
In my opinion=2C your problem isn't where you have located a small batter
y=2C it's that you don't keep the battery charged properly. Even a bigger
battery will go dead=2C if not used very often=2C and the more often they g
o dead=2C the sooner they die.
Mike Welch
> Subject: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
> From: tim.warlick(at)cox.net
> Date: Sat=2C 27 Mar 2010 09:57:30 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The ba
ttery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I wou
ld like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the motorcy
cle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the nose. What
other locations are builders using for a larger battery?
>
> --------
> Tim
> BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
> Tucson=2C AZ
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291942#291942
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| Subject: | Re: Battery mounting options |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Tim, Before going to the trouble of mounting a larger battery, moving it or
both make sure you are using cables big enough to carry the current and that
you have a ground cable going either very close to or directly to the
starter motor. My battery is mounted just behind the right seat of my Mk III
and I use 4 gauge welding cable to carry both positive and ground. You can
find information on calculating voltage drop by size and length of cable on
the Aeroelectric forum here on Matronics.
Rick
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I used the area behind the (right) passenger seat, up next to the right
> main gear socket tube. It fit there reasonably well.
> I can't vouch that this is a good location, especially since I haven't done
> my final weight and balance.
>
> Before I reinstall the battery, I will be doing my W & B, and then I can
> determine whether or not it will stay at that location, due to weight
> considerations.
>
> BTW, I also have the same problem with batteries dying early. When I
> don't drive my Mercedes SL500 very much, the battery goes dead. It seems
> like everytime I want to drive my car, I have to charge the battery first!!
> And reset the clock, and recycle the windows, and reset the security
> alarm....pain in the butt!!
> After getting tired of this routine, I bought a battery tender about two
> ago. It's one of those dinky battery chargers things, that keep the battery
> charged at all times.
> My SL500 fires right up every time!!
>
> I'd suggest running down to your local auto parts store and picking up one
> of those battery tenders.
> Plus, if you park your plane where there isn't any handy 110volt
> plug-ins, get the solar powered one.
> From my experience (finally!!), they are worth the effort.
>
> BTW, the reason a battery dies after only one year, is because they go
> totally dead between charges. If if were kept charged at al times, it would
> last MUCH longer.
>
> In my opinion, your problem isn't where you have located a small battery,
> it's that you don't keep the battery charged properly. Even a bigger
> battery will go dead, if not used very often, and the more often they go
> dead, the sooner they die.
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
> > From: tim.warlick(at)cox.net
> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:57:30 -0700
> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> >
> > My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The
> battery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I
> would like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the
> motorcycle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the
> nose. What other locations are builders using for a larger battery?
> >
> > --------
> > Tim
> > BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
> > Tucson, AZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291942#291942
> >
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| From: | "Eddie" <e.bayliss(at)blueyonder.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb batteries |
Hi all
Eddie here from the UK. I have a mk111 c and my small motorcycle
battery died after about 1 year ( hardly used over that winter ) . I
replaced the battery with the same size , about 12 amp/hour I think and
also at the time, bought a small solar charger panel on special offer,
down from =A319.99 to =A39.99 from a place called maplins ( dont know if
you have them over there but Im sure you can source one somewhere ) I
also spliced into the battery charging lead from the solar panel and
split the charge between my kolb and the old car battery I have for my
small cheap winch to pull the kolb into the trailer/hangar . Three
years later both batteries are still doing fine , the car battery will
still winch the plane up into the trailer and as long as I remember to
turn the master switch off the 582 spins up into life every time . As
others have said batteris dont like to be neglected keep them used or
charged or they seem to die. The solar charger is probably the smallest
charge available but because it is trickle charging all the time it is
daylight it keeps every thing topped up and working . while I am typing
I would like to say that I read evrey post here and have learnt such a
lot from all who post here . So thanks to all
Eddie Bayliss
Liverpool
Uk
mk111 classic
Rotax 582
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| From: | "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net> |
A standard practice, at least at the two aircraft companies I worked at,
was to measure the run on torque during initial tightening and add that
number to the design torques for either elastic or mechanical locking
fasteners. The torques came from Mil Hdkb-5 or the ASTM as I remember
for all..MS, AN, NAS..whatever. The addition technique was company
specific in there design manuals, but as memory serves was backed up by
alot of testing using both bolt stretch or strain gaged bolt tests.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: prop nuts
Bob, The 21042 you have pictured is the -L variant (lubed), the
non-lubed version looks just like your packing nut. As for William's
contention that a deformed lock nut requires a different torque than
that of a nylock just isn't supported by 43.13-1B or anywhere else that
I can find.
Atached is the spec for the 21042. Note in the table on page 2 the
minimum torque a -4 (1/4") nut must be capable of is 150 in lb., 20%
more than the spec for the 1/4-28 blade bolts of the WD prop.
Rick
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:07 AM, robert bean
wrote:
Rick, I like the looks of the MS21042. I think it may have been the
AN 365 nut that gave me the problem and not the bolt
but I tossed both of them at the time. The AN363 is beefy but the
cut slots may injure the bolt threads over time and repeated use.
Those industrial packing nuts look pretty good too. :)
BB
DSCN2202
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Bill, I don't use grade 5 or 8 anywhere on any aircraft I own. I use AN,
NAS, or MS spec fasteners.
Notice on the interchangeability table on page 2 that the 21042-4 can be
used as a replacement for both the AN 365 Nylock and the AN 363. By
definition interchangeability means there is no difference on installation.
Rick
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:06 PM, william sullivan
wrote:
> Rick- I have no documentation of the difference in torque on various
> types of locknuts. But I suggest you try it, and observe the difference.
> Take a bolt and put it threads up in a vice. The bigger the better. Then
> use a beam type torque wrench and screw a nylock down. Dot it a few times,
> and the torque resistance is a lot lower. A grade 5 deformed nut has much
> more resistance, and a grade 8 is very difficult to turn- without being
> bottomed out. Using a 5/8" bolt, the deformed nuts can stall an impact
> wrench before bottoming out. I spent almost 40 years as a truck mechanic-
> the deformed ones can hurt.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- I don't have the interchange charts.--I am just issuing a caution b
ased on experience with SAE and USS bolts.- Those deformed grade 8 nuts w
ere nasty, and grade 5 was only a little easier.- Virtually guaranteed no
t to loosen, though.
-
-------------------------
--------------- Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
--------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
-------------------------
--------------- FS 447
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| Subject: | Re: Battery mounting options |
| From: | "Fran Losey" <loseyf(at)comcast.net> |
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Battery mounting options |
Fran=2C
Yup=2C that's what I was getting at.
I've got a question for ya=2C since you sound like you know your stuff re
: batteries. Is there an easy way to "fix" a dead battery....say=2C the on
e that dies after only one year.
Can you pour in some baking powder and eat away some of the sulphation=2C
clean it out real good=2C and then pour in some new acid? Has anyone ever
done this?
I bought my MkIII battery about 10 months ago (dry) and then bought some
acid at Auto Zone. I'm not pouring in the acid until I'm ready to start my
motor. I'm not starting it's life until I'm ready to start it!!
BTW=2C I got one of those Harbor Freight chinese battery maintainers for
$10 at the store in Springfield=2C MO. Next time I think about it=2C I'll
get about 4 more.
Mike Welch
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
From: loseyf(at)comcast.net
Date: Sat=2C 27 Mar 2010 19:16:57 +0000
Well stated.
One other item for consideration. Lead Acid Valve Regulated Batteries that
sit without a float charge will sulfate. Sulfation lowers capacity as it in
hibits the conversion from chemical to electrical energy. Caution must also
be taken not to over charge=2C as this causes dry out (gasses leave batter
y and cannot reconstitute internally=2C resulting in lower electrolyte leve
l...again loss of capacity. How frequently you use the battery will have a
big impact on this.
My 2 cents.
Fran Losey www.mykitlog.com/loseyf Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sat=2C 27 Mar 2010 13:32:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
Tim=2C Before going to the trouble of mounting a larger battery=2C moving i
t or= both make sure you are using cables big enough to carry the current
and th= at you have a ground cable going either very close to or directl
y to the st= arter motor. My battery is mounted just behind the right sea
t of my Mk III = and I use 4 gauge welding cable to carry both positive a
nd ground. You can = find information on calculating voltage drop by size
and length of cable on= the Aeroelectric forum here on Matronics.
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On Sat=2C Mar 27=2C 2010 = at 12:34 PM=2C Mike Welch wrote:
Tim=2C
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- I used the area behind the (right) passenger seat=2C up-next to
-the r= ight main gear socket tube.- It fit there reasonably well
.
I can't-vouch that this is a good location=2C especially since I haven&
= #39=3Bt done my final weight and balance.
-
- Before I reinstall the battery=2C I will be doing my W & B=2C and the
n = I can determine whether or not it will stay at that location=2C due t
o weight= considerations.
- BTW=2C I also have the same problem with batteries dying early.-
When I= don't drive my Mercedes SL500 very much=2C the battery goes dead.
- It = seems like everytime I want to drive my car=2C I have to charg
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ws=2C and reset the secur= ity alarm....pain in the butt!!
- After getting tired of this routine=2C I bought a battery tender abou
t tw= o ago.- It's one of those dinky battery chargers things=2C that
keep th= e battery charged at all times.
- My SL500 fires right up every time!!
-
I'd suggest running down to your local auto parts store and picking up= o
ne of those battery tenders.-
- Plus=2C if you park your plane where there isn't any handy 110volt pl
= ug-ins=2C get the solar powered one.
- From my experience (finally!!)=2C they are worth the effort.
-
- BTW=2C the reason a battery dies after only one year=2C is because th
ey go = totally dead between charges.- If if were kept charged at al
times=2C it wo= uld last MUCH longer.
-
- In my opinion=2C your problem isn't where you have located a small ba
= ttery=2C it's that you don't keep the battery charged properly.- Ev
= en a bigger battery will go dead=2C if not used very often=2C and the m
ore ofte= n they go dead=2C the sooner they die.
-
Mike Welch
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
> From: tim.warlick(at)cox.net
> Date: Sat=2C 27 Mar 2010 09:57:30 -0700
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> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Cla= ssic. Th
e battery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mor= ning
s. I would like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than=
the motorcycle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in th
= e nose. What other locations are builders using for a larger battery?
>
> --------
> Tim
> BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
> Tucson=2C AZ
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
>
>Don't tell Sensnich or Jabiru that because Sensenich makes a carbon fiber
prop for Jabiru engines that Jabiru recommends, among others. See
http://www.sensenich.com/products/browse/14/5/291/0
>
>Don't tell the Titan Tornado dealer in Utah (Motion Aero) that since
they've built and been flying for years both Jab 2200 and Jab 3300 Tornaods
with Warp Drive props with no problems. They also have a 3300 with an IVO
composite prop. See http://www.motionaero.com/Engines-Tornado.html and read
captions under top two photos.
>
Thom,
It is worth noting that the Sensenich is a low inertia two blade propeller
with diameters of 60 to 64 inches. The blades are hollow.
Also the Warp Drive blades used on the Titan Tornado Jabiru engines provide
a 62 inch diameter. Much lower inertia that a 70 to 72 inch Warp Drive
propeller.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Battery mounting options |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Tim, do you have a volt meter on the panel? During run mine shows about 15V and
I have no problems, including winter downtime.
I use a lawn tractor battery from (walmart/autozone) wherever has the best price.
They are available in various amp-hr capacities but all share the same dimension.
Cranks right up every time. If the battery is low
my aggressive charging circuit will squeal the belt for a minute or two.
Mine is also located in a mount forward of the pedals. I can slip it out without
removing the nose.
BB
On 27, Mar 2010, at 12:57 PM, timwarlick wrote:
>
> My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The battery
only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I would like
to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the motorcycle battery)
but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the nose. What other locations
are builders using for a larger battery?
>
> --------
> Tim
> BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
> Tucson, AZ
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291942#291942
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Propellers |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
Yes indeed.
Of course the primary reason for the shorter diameter is the high rpm prop shaft
of the direct drive engines, but reducing the diameter reduces inertia too.
Unless my Slingshot gets a lot faster due to my planned efforts to decrease drag,
the current TN prop will suffice, and it is very low inertia.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| From: | "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fire Fly Winshield |
I have a full windshield on the Fire Fly that I bought, living in
Florida, I think that I would like to have the shorter windshield to use
in the summer. Can some one send me a template for the shorter one, or
hints on how to construct one. Thanks Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Battery mounting options |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
My Harley-Davidson battery cranks the Jabiru even when it's chilly.It's
a bit larger than most cycle batteries
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: timwarlick <tim.warlick(at)cox.net>
Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2010 11:57 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The bat
tery
only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I would li
ke to
put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the motorcycle batter
y)
but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the nose. What other locat
ions
are builders using for a larger battery?
--------
Tim
BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
Tucson, AZ
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Fran Losey <loseyf(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery mounting options |
Hey Mike, just finishing up the home chores....
Unfortunately once the battery has deteriorated there is not a lot you
can do. If dry out is the issue, due to overcharging, and gasses have
been expelled through the pressure relief valve, then if the battery has
removeable caps they can be refilled. If not.....there is not much you
can do.
Lead acid batteries need to be maintained by charging, especially when
long periods go by without use. Just like a car we drive all the
time.....not an issue. Leave the lawn tractor for a few
months...different story. As I had said previously sulfation is
basically a buildup on the plates which inhibits the conversion
process. Prevention is the best practice.
http://www.batteryfaq.org/
This is a fairly good site for reading if anyone is interested, the
second page is sectionalized, and there are some good bullets worth reading.
Hope that helps.
On 3/27/2010 4:01 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> Fran,
>
> Yup, that's what I was getting at.
>
> I've got a question for ya, since you sound like you know your stuff
> re: batteries. Is there an easy way to "fix" a dead battery....say,
> the one that dies after only one year.
>
> Can you pour in some baking powder and eat away some of the
> sulphation, clean it out real good, and then pour in some new acid?
> Has anyone ever done this?
>
> I bought my MkIII battery about 10 months ago (dry) and then bought
> some acid at Auto Zone. I'm not pouring in the acid until I'm ready
> to start my motor. I'm not starting it's life until I'm ready to
> start it!!
>
> BTW, I got one of those Harbor Freight chinese battery maintainers
> for $10 at the store in Springfield, MO. Next time I think about it,
> I'll get about 4 more.
>
> Mike Welch
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
> From: loseyf(at)comcast.net
> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:16:57 +0000
>
> Well stated.
>
> One other item for consideration. Lead Acid Valve Regulated Batteries
> that sit without a float charge will sulfate. Sulfation lowers
> capacity as it inhibits the conversion from chemical to electrical
> energy. Caution must also be taken not to over charge, as this causes
> dry out (gasses leave battery and cannot reconstitute internally,
> resulting in lower electrolyte level...again loss of capacity. How
> frequently you use the battery will have a big impact on this.
>
> My 2 cents. Fran Losey www.mykitlog.com/loseyf Sent from my Verizon
> Wireless BlackBerry
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> *From: *Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
> *Date: *Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:32:36 -0500
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
>
> Tim, Before going to the trouble of mounting a larger battery, moving
> it or= both make sure you are using cables big enough to carry the
> current and th= at you have a ground cable going either very close to
> or directly to the st= arter motor. My battery is mounted just behind
> the right seat of my Mk III = and I use 4 gauge welding cable to carry
> both positive and ground. You can = find information on calculating
> voltage drop by size and length of cable on= the Aeroelectric forum
> here on Matronics.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 = at 12:34 PM, Mike Welch
> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> -
> - I used the area behind the (right) passenger seat, up-next
> to-the r= ight main gear socket tube.- It fit there reasonably
> well.
> I can't-vouch that this is a good location, especially since I
> haven&= #39;t done my final weight and balance.
> -
> - Before I reinstall the battery, I will be doing my W & B, and
> then = I can determine whether or not it will stay at that
> location, due to weight= considerations.
>
> - BTW, I also have the same problem with batteries dying
> early.- When I= don't drive my Mercedes SL500 very much, the
> battery goes dead.- It = seems like everytime I want to drive my
> car, I have to charge the battery f= irst!!- And reset the
> clock, and recycle the windows, and reset the secur= ity
> alarm....pain in the butt!!
> - After getting tired of this routine, I bought a battery tender
> about tw= o ago.- It's one of those dinky battery chargers
> things, that keep th= e battery charged at all times.
> - My SL500 fires right up every time!!
> -
> I'd suggest running down to your local auto parts store and
> picking up= one of those battery tenders.-
> - Plus, if you park your plane where there isn't any handy
> 110volt pl= ug-ins, get the solar powered one.
> - From my experience (finally!!), they are worth the effort.
> -
> - BTW, the reason a battery dies after only one year, is because
> they go = totally dead between charges.- If if were kept charged
> at al times, it wo= uld last MUCH longer.
> -
> - In my opinion, your problem isn't where you have located a
> small ba= ttery, it's that you don't keep the battery charged
> properly.- Ev= en a bigger battery will go dead, if not used
> very often, and the more ofte= n they go dead, the sooner they die.
> -
> Mike Welch
>
> -
> -
> -
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> -
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> -
> -
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
> > From: tim.warlick(at)cox.net
> > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:57:30 -0700
>
> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> >
>
> >
> > My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Cla
> ssic. The battery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on
> cold mor= nings. I would like to put in a small automotive battery
> (still larger than= the motorcycle battery) but it will not fit
> behind the rudder pedals in th= e nose. What other locations are
> builders using for a larger battery?
> >
> > --------
> > Tim
> > BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
> > Tucson, AZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topi= c online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/= viewtopic.php?p=291942#291942
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery mounting options |
Tim
I have a 12AH battery that that I mount in the nose of my MKIIIC that I use
to start my VW. I also had issues with my battery dying about every year or
sooner. I use a battery maintainer to keep it topped off year round. I just
replaced the battery after three years (about normal now). I use a Batteries
Plus, Wall mart etc. battery or what ever is convenient and cheep.
Keep your plane light and get a battery maintainer/charger. Buy cheap
batteries and replace them as necessary.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "timwarlick" <tim.warlick(at)cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:57 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Battery mounting options
>
> My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The
> battery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I
> would like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the
> motorcycle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the
> nose. What other locations are builders using for a larger battery?
>
> --------
> Tim
> BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
> Tucson, AZ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291942#291942
>
>
>
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fire Fly Winshield |
Pete ,Where do you live in Fl.? I have a short windshield that I will never
use as I am going to build a full enclosed windshield-- -want to tra
de-? If not I will send you my shorty that Kolb sent me if you pay the sh
ipping.=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from c
rash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro
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| From: | "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fire Fly Winshield |
Chris, I would prefer to keep the long one for cold weather and have a
short one for the hot Florida summers. I live in beautiful Down Town
Homosassa Fl. I would be more than happy to pay shipping. Where are you
located. Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: chris davis
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
Pete ,Where do you live in Fl.? I have a short windshield that I will
never use as I am going to build a full enclosed windshield want to
trade ? If not I will send you my shorty that Kolb sent me if you pay
the shipping.
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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From: lhaggerty <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com>
To: kolb matronics
Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 6:02:21 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
I have a full windshield on the Fire Fly that I bought, living in
Florida, I think that I would like to have the shorter windshield to use
in the summer. Can some one send me a template for the shorter one, or
hints on how to construct one. Thanks Pete
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03/27/10 19:32:00
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| From: | "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fire Fly Winshield |
Sorry to hear about your glider mishap, soaring is a skill that I have
not honed, and as you know, the Fire Fly does not glide well. Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: chris davis
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
Pete ,Where do you live in Fl.? I have a short windshield that I will
never use as I am going to build a full enclosed windshield want to
trade ? If not I will send you my shorty that Kolb sent me if you pay
the shipping.
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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From: lhaggerty <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com>
To: kolb matronics
Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 6:02:21 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
I have a full windshield on the Fire Fly that I bought, living in
Florida, I think that I would like to have the shorter windshield to use
in the summer. Can some one send me a template for the shorter one, or
hints on how to construct one. Thanks Pete
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery mounting options |
Tim,
I have a Mark 111Xtra and I have the battery mounted just behind the
passenger seat. Easy to get at if you unscrew 2 nuts and drop the rod
supporting the seat back.
I had problems with starting the Jabiru but I upgraded the battery and
now use a Red Top Racing Battery which I keep topped up with a cheap
solar panel fixed permanently to my hangar roof. I had a charging point
built in while rebuilding which accepts the usual `cigar lighter` plug.
No problems since.
Good luck
Pat
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar for Sale |
I have to sell my Ultrastar and wanted to give the list the first shot.
Flying, Ul202, BRS good to 2011, asking $3900. If interested contact me
off list.
Dan Walter
Hi Dan/Gang:
Sorry to hear you are selling your US.
Dan's US is a beautiful airplane. I have seen it several times over the
years.
In February 1984, I bought my first airplane kit from Homer Kolb for
3,495.00, an US.
3,900.00 for Dan's airplane is a real bargain.
Do you have photos of the US you could post?
john hauck
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fire Fly Winshield |
We started with the short windshield and moved to full enclosure also
makes it a little faster. Not sure why but the wind blast is not
like riding a motor cycle, it more violent and turbulent. It
actually is more tiring. Also if you have cool mornings, its much
cooler. One thing it is pretty easy to switch back and forth. The
Firefly is a fun little airplane. Hope you enjoy your new ride.
jerb
At 03:02 PM 3/27/2010, you wrote:
>I have a full windshield on the Fire Fly that I bought, living in
>Florida, I think that I would like to have the shorter windshield to
>use in the summer. Can some one send me a template for the shorter
>one, or hints on how to construct one. Thanks Pete
>
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb batteries |
Hi Eddie,
Looks like I've got a similar thinking counterpart in the UK!! I also
have a Worn Works winch mounted in on old job-site trailer I refurbished
for a home for my FireFly. I have a solar charger
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200263124_200263124 hanging
in the window in the front of the trailer to keep the battery fresh, but
rather than have a permanent battery for the winch I used a portable and
clamped it to the winch leads, and would just take it home to recharge
once in a while.
The attached pic is when the FF was secured for the ride to the
airstrip, with the wings slung in cradles hanging from the roof and the
tail boom in another cradle mounted on the floor.
After I positioned my trailer/hangar at the strip I took the wheels off,
put them inside the front of the trailer, and have the axles resting on
two sets of 4 X 4's just high enough to keep the brake drums from
resting on the ground. With this lowered stance, and the light weight
of the FF, I no longer use the winch. I simply hook a nylon strap in
the lower strut receivers and easily pull it up the ramps by hand. I
marked the point on the trailer floor where to stop the main gear wheels
to go outside and line up the tail wheel with the track for it, which
are a couple of traffic sign channels bolted together and configured to
allow the engine to make it under the header, then raising the rear of
the FF so the forward end of the wings (inside root of the leading edge
when it's set up) clears the floor of the trailer.
Took some figuring, but it worked out really well. Twelve hundred bucks
for the raggy trailer, a couple of hundred for new tires, some new
lights, paint to make it un-ugly and free carpet for the area in the
front for BSing over coffee with anyone hanging around the strip. The
side door opens just at the front of the FF, so you don't have to
squeeze by to get to the tools or coffee pot.
Nice to hear from your part of the world. Fly safe.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fire Fly Winshield |
Pete , My mihap was not in a glider , I-t was in a Kolb MKIII extra ,with
a brand new 100 hp rotax, at the KOLB factory, Thew pilot Norm- was Kill
ed and I was broken up bad . Life goes on I built a Kolb KXP, with a 503,
-and flew it for 9 years then the FAA came out with the sport pilot licen
se and I sold my Firestar and bought a MKIII classic- never got to fly it
as I went to the facvtory and took a ride with thier Demo pilot=0A, excuse
meI go-on , I live in -O'brien- just 20 miles south of Live Oak I na
m leaving town as I am a"snow bird-" and must return to Ma.as it is getti
ng warmer up there Homassa is not that far away from O'brien- I can leave
it here with a- neighbor or you can come and get it before Tuesday morn
- or I can send it USmail or UPS ,Give me your full name and address unle
ss you are coming this way , Mapquest tells me its 102.17 miles awayChris D
avis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefl
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o hear about your glider mishap, soaring is a skill that I have not honed,
and as you know, the Fire Fly does not glide well.- Pete=0A----- Original
Message ----- =0A>From: chris davis =0A>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Se
nt: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:25 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Wi
nshield=0A>=0A>=0A>Pete ,Where do you live in Fl.? I have a short windshiel
d that I will never use as I am going to build a full enclosed windshield
-- -want to trade-? If not I will send you my shorty that Kolb sent
me if you pay the shipping.=0A>-Chris Davis=0A>KXP 503 492 hrs=0A>Glider
Pilot=0A>Disabled from crash building Firefly =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A_____
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10 6:02:21 PM=0A>Subject: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield=0A>=0A>=0A>I have a
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| From: | "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fire Fly Winshield |
Chris, I can drive up and pick it up. Give me a call 352 503 6286 Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: chris davis
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
Pete , My mihap was not in a glider , I t was in a Kolb MKIII extra
,with a brand new 100 hp rotax, at the KOLB factory, Thew pilot Norm
was Killed and I was broken up bad . Life goes on I built a Kolb KXP,
with a 503, and flew it for 9 years then the FAA came out with the
sport pilot license and I sold my Firestar and bought a MKIII classic
never got to fly it as I went to the facvtory and took a ride with thier
Demo pilot
, excuse meI go on , I live in O'brien just 20 miles south of Live
Oak I nam leaving town as I am a"snow bird " and must return to Ma.as it
is getting warmer up there Homassa is not that far away from O'brien I
can leave it here with a neighbor or you can come and get it before
Tuesday morn or I can send it USmail or UPS ,Give me your full name and
address unless you are coming this way , Mapquest tells me its 102.17
miles away
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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From: lhaggerty <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 9:51:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
Sorry to hear about your glider mishap, soaring is a skill that I have
not honed, and as you know, the Fire Fly does not glide well. Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: chris davis
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
Pete ,Where do you live in Fl.? I have a short windshield that I
will never use as I am going to build a full enclosed windshield want
to trade ? If not I will send you my shorty that Kolb sent me if you pay
the shipping.
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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To: kolb matronics
Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 6:02:21 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
I have a full windshield on the Fire Fly that I bought, living in
Florida, I think that I would like to have the shorter windshield to use
in the summer. Can some one send me a template for the shorter one, or
hints on how to construct one. Thanks Pete
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| From: | "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fire Fly Winshield |
Chris, I can drive and pick it up Give me your phone number. Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: chris davis
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
Pete , My mihap was not in a glider , I t was in a Kolb MKIII extra
,with a brand new 100 hp rotax, at the KOLB factory, Thew pilot Norm
was Killed and I was broken up bad . Life goes on I built a Kolb KXP,
with a 503, and flew it for 9 years then the FAA came out with the
sport pilot license and I sold my Firestar and bought a MKIII classic
never got to fly it as I went to the facvtory and took a ride with thier
Demo pilot
, excuse meI go on , I live in O'brien just 20 miles south of Live
Oak I nam leaving town as I am a"snow bird " and must return to Ma.as it
is getting warmer up there Homassa is not that far away from O'brien I
can leave it here with a neighbor or you can come and get it before
Tuesday morn or I can send it USmail or UPS ,Give me your full name and
address unless you are coming this way , Mapquest tells me its 102.17
miles away
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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From: lhaggerty <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 9:51:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
Sorry to hear about your glider mishap, soaring is a skill that I have
not honed, and as you know, the Fire Fly does not glide well. Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: chris davis
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
Pete ,Where do you live in Fl.? I have a short windshield that I
will never use as I am going to build a full enclosed windshield want
to trade ? If not I will send you my shorty that Kolb sent me if you pay
the shipping.
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
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To: kolb matronics
Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 6:02:21 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
I have a full windshield on the Fire Fly that I bought, living in
Florida, I think that I would like to have the shorter windshield to use
in the summer. Can some one send me a template for the shorter one, or
hints on how to construct one. Thanks Pete
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| From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fire Fly Winshield |
Hi all,
Chris I've seen the [disabled from crash] msg in your address several times, however
did not know what it was all about untill today.
I wonder if you or anyone on the list knows how many people have been killed or
seriously hurt in Kolb A/C?
I,m not trying to be negative, But I would like to know the facts. If someone knows
the answer but dosen't want to talk about
it on line please contact me off list.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar 2
brownsville , TX
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From: lhaggerty <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 12:07:36 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
Chris, I can drive up and pick it up. Give me a
call 352 503 6286 Pete
----- Original Message -----
>From: chris davis
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:11
> PM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly
> Winshield
>
>
>Pete , My mihap was not in a glider , I t was in a Kolb MKIII extra
> ,with a brand new 100 hp rotax, at the KOLB factory, Thew pilot Norm was
> Killed and I was broken up bad . Life goes on I built a Kolb KXP, with a 503,
> and flew it for 9 years then the FAA came out with the sport pilot
> license and I sold my Firestar and bought a MKIII classic never got to
> fly it as I went to the facvtory and took a ride with thier Demo pilot
>,
> excuse meI go on , I live in O'brien just 20 miles south of
> Live Oak I nam leaving town as I am a"snow bird " and must return to
> Ma.as it is getting warmer up there Homassa is not that far away from
> O'brien I can leave it here with a neighbor or you can come and
> get it before Tuesday morn or I can send it USmail or UPS ,Give me your
> full name and address unless you are coming this way , Mapquest tells me its
> 102.17 miles awayChris Davis
>KXP 503 492 hrs
>Glider
> Pilot
>Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
>
>
________________________________
From: lhaggerty
>
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 9:51:40
> PM
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List:
> Fire Fly Winshield
>
> >
>Sorry to hear about your glider mishap, soaring
> is a skill that I have not honed, and as you know, the Fire Fly does not glide
> well. Pete
>----- Original Message -----
>>From: chris davis
>>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>>Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:25
>> PM
>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fire Fly
>> Winshield
>>
>>
>>Pete ,Where do you live in Fl.? I have a short windshield that I will
>> never use as I am going to build a full enclosed windshield
>> want to trade ? If not I will send you my shorty that Kolb sent
>> me if you pay the shipping.
>> Chris Davis
>>KXP 503 492
>> hrs
>>Glider Pilot
>>Disabled from crash building Firefly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: lhaggerty <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com>
>>To: kolb matronics
>>
>>Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 6:02:21
>> PM
>>Subject: Kolb-List: Fire
>> Fly Winshield
>>
>> >>
>>I have a full windshield on the Fire Fly that I
>> bought, living in Florida, I think that I would like to have the shorter
>> windshield to use in the summer. Can some one send me a template for the
>> shorter one, or hints on how to construct one. Thanks
>>Pete
>>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fire Fly Winshield |
I wonder if you or anyone on the list knows how many people have been
killed or seriously hurt in Kolb A/C?
I,m not trying to be negative, But I would like to know the facts. If
someone knows the answer but dosen't want to talk about
it on line please contact me off list.
Frank Goodnight
Frank G/Folks:
Go to this NTSB Query Page:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp
Expand the search dates from about 1970 to date. Search for Kolb or any
other combo you can think of.
I am sure some of the accidents with injuries and fatalities are not
recorded here, but this is the best place I know to get some of that info.
john hauck
Titus, Alabma
mkIII
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| From: | "Kolb Aircraft" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fire Fly Winshield |
Pete
If you want to send me some material to trace on I could trace our
master template.
Travis @ Kolb CO.
----- Original Message -----
From: lhaggerty
To: kolb matronics
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 6:02 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Winshield
I have a full windshield on the Fire Fly that I bought, living in
Florida, I think that I would like to have the shorter windshield to use
in the summer. Can some one send me a template for the shorter one, or
hints on how to construct one. Thanks Pete
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly Windshield |
John and Frank:- I looked at the NTSB web site and did some poking around
.- Just with random inquiries, fuel contamination and low altitude turns
and stalls stood out.- None of the ones I looked at (Kolb) were due to de
sign failure or a breakup of components in the air.- Most of it came down
to maintenance, pilot error, and training.- Very informative, and as Joh
n said, the list is not complete and only covers U.S. accidents.- I think
I'll poke around for comparison purposes with other common makes.
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------------------ Thanks, John
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Bill Sullivan
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Windsor Locks, Ct.
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FS 447
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| Subject: | Did my post come through |
| From: | EmailUser greg <greg(at)skyelink.com> |
Just wonted to know if everyone receved my post on the Allison birthday
flyin in July.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Did my post come through |
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Kolb-List: Did my post come through
Just wonted to know if everyone receved my post on the Allison birthday
flyin in July.
Greg/All:I don't know. I didn't see it.Why not retransmit all the
pertinent info, please.john hauckmkIIITitus, Alabama
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| From: | <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Did my post come through |
Loud and clear from the land of the long white cloud
----- Original Message -----
From: EmailUser greg
To: kolblist kolblist
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:13 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Did my post come through
Just wonted to know if everyone receved my post on the Allison
birthday flyin in July.
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| Subject: | Dope & Fabric weight |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Just in case anybody else ever wondered what the paint and fabric weighs, tonight
I stripped the fabric off the other wing as part of the rebuild of the FSII,
and weighed it.
8.5 pounds. Stits process, by the book including silver, color coat, and a trim
color. That was for the wing and the aileron.
So probably around 25 pounds or so dope and fabric for a whole airplane?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292433#292433
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dope and fabric weight |
- Richard- Was it Aerothane, or Poly Tone?- I understand that the Aerot
hane (candy shell appearance) is much heavier.
-
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--------------------- Bill Sulliv
an
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--------------------- Windsor Loc
ks, Ct.
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--------------------- FS 447
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| Subject: | Re: Dope & Fabric weight |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
That sounds about right. That stuff about the heavy paint is a myth unless you
are talking jumbo jet.
The majority of the weight in the can evaporates along with the thinner. Old
fashioned lacquers are the lightest,
butyrates in the middle,
and epoxies and polymerizing paints like urethanes are the heaviest. There is
no advantage with thick paint
other than being shiny and washable. You could shoot a coat of clear dope on the
rags and fly it away.
BB
On 30, Mar 2010, at 9:30 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Just in case anybody else ever wondered what the paint and fabric weighs, tonight
I stripped the fabric off the other wing as part of the rebuild of the FSII,
and weighed it.
>
> 8.5 pounds. Stits process, by the book including silver, color coat, and a trim
color. That was for the wing and the aileron.
>
> So probably around 25 pounds or so dope and fabric for a whole airplane?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292433#292433
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dope and fabric weight |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Poly bush, poly spray, poly whatever, the mat finish stuff.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292466#292466
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| Subject: | Pantene hair spray can |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Decided to put a strobe on each wingtip, but wanted a way to streamline it in,
and also wanted a way to make the strobe easily removable in case it needed replacing.
Went to the CVS drugstore, no luck, went next door to the Dollar Store
- Bingo!
Wandering around the Dollar Store with a Kuntzleman strobe and calipers pays off.
The Pantene can was a perfect fit. Took it home, laid a brick on the nozzle (Take
that, Gore! HA!) and when the can was empty, cut off the bottom and fit it
in the wingtip. Will glue it in place with JBWeld, and then use fabric to blend
it in.
Will use the other end of the can on the other tip. The nav light will go just
ahead of the strobe, ordered two 6" strips of 24 12V LED's off of ebay, will put
those across the back of each tip for the white rear light.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (42oldPoops)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292469#292469
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly Windshield |
low altitude turns and stalls stood out. >>
Hi Bill,
I shoudn`t waste your time.
With no research at all and a flying guess, you will find that stalls
and low atitude turns are the main killer in any type of flying or
aircraft you care to mention.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
I am having a hard time picturing what you are doing with the pantene
can. Do you have any pictures or can you explain in more detail? I am
intrigued!
Eric in NC
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> 1. 06:31 PM - Dope & Fabric weight (Richard Pike)
> 2. 06:44 PM - Re: Dope and fabric weight (william sullivan)
> 3. 08:13 PM - Re: Dope & Fabric weight (robert bean)
> 4. 08:19 PM - Re: Dope and fabric weight (Richard Pike)
> 5. 08:29 PM - Pantene hair spray can (Richard Pike)
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Dope & Fabric weight
> From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
>
>
> Just in case anybody else ever wondered what the paint and fabric
> weighs, tonight
> I stripped the fabric off the other wing as part of the rebuild of
> the FSII,
> and weighed it.
>
> 8.5 pounds. Stits process, by the book including silver, color coat,
> and a trim
> color. That was for the wing and the aileron.
>
> So probably around 25 pounds or so dope and fabric for a whole
> airplane?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292433#292433
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> From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Dope and fabric weight
>
> - Richard- Was it Aerothane, or Poly Tone?- I understand that the
> Aerot
> hane (candy shell appearance) is much heavier.
> -
> -------------------------
> --------------------- Bill Sulliv
> an
> -------------------------
> --------------------- Windsor Loc
> ks, Ct.
> -------------------------
> --------------------- FS 447
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> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dope & Fabric weight
> From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
>
>
> That sounds about right. That stuff about the heavy paint is a myth
> unless you
> are talking jumbo jet.
> The majority of the weight in the can evaporates along with the
> thinner. Old
> fashioned lacquers are the lightest,
> butyrates in the middle,
> and epoxies and polymerizing paints like urethanes are the
> heaviest. There is
> no advantage with thick paint
> other than being shiny and washable. You could shoot a coat of
> clear dope on the
> rags and fly it away.
> BB
>
>
> On 30, Mar 2010, at 9:30 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
>>
>> Just in case anybody else ever wondered what the paint and fabric
>> weighs, tonight
> I stripped the fabric off the other wing as part of the rebuild of
> the FSII,
> and weighed it.
>>
>> 8.5 pounds. Stits process, by the book including silver, color
>> coat, and a trim
> color. That was for the wing and the aileron.
>>
>> So probably around 25 pounds or so dope and fabric for a whole
>> airplane?
>>
>> Richard Pike
>> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292433#292433
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>>
>>
>>
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Dope and fabric weight
> From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
>
>
> Poly bush, poly spray, poly whatever, the mat finish stuff.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292466#292466
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Pantene hair spray can
> From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
>
>
> Decided to put a strobe on each wingtip, but wanted a way to
> streamline it in,
> and also wanted a way to make the strobe easily removable in case it
> needed replacing.
> Went to the CVS drugstore, no luck, went next door to the Dollar Store
> - Bingo!
> Wandering around the Dollar Store with a Kuntzleman strobe and
> calipers pays off.
>
> The Pantene can was a perfect fit. Took it home, laid a brick on the
> nozzle (Take
> that, Gore! HA!) and when the can was empty, cut off the bottom and
> fit it
> in the wingtip. Will glue it in place with JBWeld, and then use
> fabric to blend
> it in.
>
> Will use the other end of the can on the other tip. The nav light
> will go just
> ahead of the strobe, ordered two 6" strips of 24 12V LED's off of
> ebay, will put
> those across the back of each tip for the white rear light.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (42oldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292469#292469
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
Eric- Richard attached 3 photos to the bottom of his post.- Scroll down a
nd click on them.- Very clever, nice work.
-
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---------------- Bill Sullivan
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---------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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---------------- FS 447
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
[quote="marenyi(at)gmail.com"]I am having a hard time picturing what you are doing
with the pantene
can. Do you have any pictures or can you explain in more detail? I am
intrigued!
Eric in NC
Sent from my iPhone
[quote]
A picture is worth 1,000 words - it acts as a socket for the strobe to slide into.
First picture is starting in, 2nd is all the way in. A thin strip of silicone
seal will hold it in, and keep the water out. Won't use the tang on the bottom
of the strobe, but trying to take it off is a no-no.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Reinforcing the tip rib |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Enclosed are some pictures I took this morning of the tip rib of the damaged FSII
wing. Between the original wings and the donor wings, 3 out of 4 of the tip
ribs were damaged in this same fashion. (One wing was destroyed, so maybe we
shouldn't count that one)
You are looking at the top of the wing, notice how the thin aluminum web and 5/16"
tube buckles in between the angles - that is consistent, and I think a weak
spot. The aluminum angles along the top and bottom of the rib transmit the overload
into that unreinforced area and it buckles under the load.
What I will do before I close these wings up is add additional angles to attach
to the front and rear upper angles and which tie directly into the main spar,
I expect the spar can handle the torque load, because even on the destroyed wing,
the main spar was undamaged.
When I get to that point, will add more pictures.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Reinforcing the tip rib |
- Richard- The damage to the tip rib looks like crash damage, and not wea
r and tear.- Are you sure that reinforcing it would be worthwhile?- If
it was hit again, wouldn't a reinforcement only transfer the damage to a mo
re expensive part?- Also, what keeps the wires from moving around and cha
fing inside the main spar?
-
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----------------------- Bill
Sullivan
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----------------------- Winds
or Locks, Ct.
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----------------------- FS 44
7
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| From: | Jeremy Casey <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us> |
Richard is that attached to the aileron? That sounds like a good way to
get aileron flutter? I remember you have first hand experience with
rudder flutter...so I'm sure you have thought this through already but
thought I'd bring it up...
Jeremy Casey
Kolb "builder" again...finally
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| From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Reinforcing the tip rib |
Hi Richard,
The pictures could have been a snapshot of my wing tip a couple of weeks ago. The
damage is almost
identical. In my case it was caused by a rather hard ground loop, where the rear
of the wing tip and the
aleron hit and was drug along the ground.Not because of any weakness ,just pilot
error.fwiw.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar 2
Brownsville TX
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From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 12:37:15 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Reinforcing the tip rib
Enclosed are some pictures I took this morning of the tip rib of the damaged FSII
wing. Between the original wings and the donor wings, 3 out of 4 of the tip
ribs were damaged in this same fashion. (One wing was destroyed, so maybe we
shouldn't count that one)
You are looking at the top of the wing, notice how the thin aluminum web and 5/16"
tube buckles in between the angles - that is consistent, and I think a weak
spot. The aluminum angles along the top and bottom of the rib transmit the overload
into that unreinforced area and it buckles under the load.
What I will do before I close these wings up is add additional angles to attach
to the front and rear upper angles and which tie directly into the main spar,
I expect the spar can handle the torque load, because even on the destroyed wing,
the main spar was undamaged.
When I get to that point, will add more pictures.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Reinforcing the tip rib |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
I guess it depends on what each persons definition of weakness is. IMO, dragging
a wingtip and aileron ought to result in damage to the aileron and the back
corner of the wingtip at the trailing edge, not bend the tip rib. (Because if
you bend the tip rib, then you also bend the trailing edge and aileron tube, and
probably the tip braces, or at least that's how these were.)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Reinforcing the tip rib |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
[quote="williamtsullivan(at)att.n"]Richard- The damage to the tip rib looks like
crash damage, and not wear and tear. Are you sure that reinforcing it would
be worthwhile? If it was hit again, wouldn't a reinforcement only transfer the
damage to a more expensive part? Also, what keeps the wires from moving around
and chafing inside the main spar?
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
> [b]
Oh, yeah, crash damage for sure. But the wing tip from the donor wing looked just
like it, and (supposedly) all it was involved in was a ground loop. The wing
tip in the previous tip reinforcement pictures smacked the ground a passing
lick as the airplane was otherwise flailing around destroying itself.
My thinking is (and I reserve the right to be wrong) that the spar can absorb WAY
more abuse than the rest of the wing without damage. The other wing on 2EF
was totaled, (the wing pictured in this post) all the ribs, both the leading
and trailing edges and the aileron, bent the compression strut, sheared the rivets
off that hold the compression strut to the main spar, broke the steel root
rib, bent the steel compression braces from the spar to the compression strut,
snapped the wingtip bow, -but the spar is fine.
Maybe if the tip rib braces had been well tied to the spar, then the spar would
not have survived? Maybe. Don't plan to find out... In this particular case,
it probably wouldn't have mattered.
(Anybody need a FSII spar? As soon as this project is over, we are giving away
a boatload of leftover FSII parts)
The wires - Can't remember if I was the one who put them there like that or ...?
You got me curious, went downstairs and pulled them out. Some very minor chafing,
not bad. But it's a moot point, they will be going somewhere else next time,
and no chafing will be allowed. Thanks!
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
[quote="1planeguy(at)kilocharlie."]Richard is that attached to the aileron? That
sounds like a good way to
get aileron flutter? I remember you have first hand experience with
rudder flutter...so I'm sure you have thought this through already but
thought I'd bring it up...
Jeremy Casey
Kolb "builder" again...finally
Assuredly it would be a dandy way to get aileron flutter, but both the aileron
counterbalances are alive and well, and this puppy will be balanced to whatever
it takes to make the evil flutter go away. Thanks, people bringing things up
is never a bad idea, better to talk about something important three times than
to miss one important thing once.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Tim/All
>
> A few of us have the older style solid spring steel gear legs. They only
> increase the ride height by maybe 1 inch in my Classic. They give a very
> smooth ride (reportedly much smoother than the new tubular legs) but can
> launch you back in the air if you land hard. I would like the higher stance
> but wouldn't change from what I have now. I purchased them used from another
> Kolb driver that didn't like them because they were too springy.
>
> Does anyone know if my gear legs can be bent down to give a higher stance.
> The wheels tip in at the top now so bending would give a better more
> vertical appearance when the plane is loaded.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
> ---
I have a set of those for my MKIII, and the next time I prang the aluminum gear,
I will probably install them. Called Travis earlier this week and asked him
if he knew what the hardness was. He told me that they were built by this company
http://www.langair.com/
and to ask Mr. Lang. I have emailed him and asked, but he has not yet replied.
May have to call him.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Reinforcing the tip rib |
Yeah, but it saved the spar and or the steel root rib.
You simply trade one weakest link for another. And the plane is still
not designed for cartwheels.
Next time more expensive repairs will be needed.
Gene Z
On Mar 31, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> I guess it depends on what each persons definition of weakness is.
> IMO, dragging a wingtip and aileron ought to result in damage to the
> aileron and the back corner of the wingtip at the trailing edge, not
> bend the tip rib. (Because if you bend the tip rib, then you also
> bend the trailing edge and aileron tube, and probably the tip
> braces, or at least that's how these were.)
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292590#292590
>
>
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Reinforcing the tip rib |
>
>My thinking is (and I reserve the right to be wrong) that the spar can
absorb WAY more abuse than the rest of the wing without damage. The other
wing on 2EF was totaled, (the wing pictured in this post) all the ribs, both
the leading and trailing edges and the aileron, bent the compression strut,
sheared the rivets off that hold the compression strut to the main spar,
broke the steel root rib, bent the steel compression braces from the spar to
the compression strut, snapped the wingtip bow, -but the spar is fine.
>
Richard,
If you are in a mishap, such as the aircraft you are repairing, it is a good
thing that the extremities crumpled and adsorbed energy. If the structure
had been stronger and more rigid, the pilot may have experienced much higher
G loads. The aircraft may look bad, but it does not feel pain.
My new propeller blades came today, and I remounted a re configured voltage
regulator and magneto kill switch assembly today. Could not finish up as I
ran out of Spider Wire (woven fish line) that I use to access the switch.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | Eric Marenyi <marenyi(at)gmail.com> |
I saw the pictures but I am wondering why you need to put it in something?
Is it not possible to directly mount the strobe, which makes it necessary?
It seems redundant to me. I am not asking as if you are wrong, I am trying
to learn.
Eric Marenyi
Challenger II Clipped Wing Special
N4253G
http://quadcitychallenger.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Reinforcing the tip rib |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Richard wrote:
....My thinking is (and I reserve the right to be wrong) that the spar can absorb
WAY more abuse than the rest of the wing without damage....
When I flipped my early FS one wing was undamaged but the tip of the other was
damaged a bit worse than what you showed in the photos with the deformed 5/16"
tubes and separation from the main spar end plate. On mine, those tubes were
bent a good bit more as the bow tip tube was crumpled and some of the loads were
transfered to the end of the main spar resulting in a small bit of the tip
of the spar bending inwards. No cracks or anything like that and only the end
of the spar tube was affected an only a little. I replaced the end rib and all
the tip tubes and angles, a couple false ribs and spliced in about 18" of new
leading edge tube after pounding out the slight indention in the tip of the main
spar.
My point is that the loads did transmit to the main spar with very minor damage
to it and only on the very tip which was easy enough to repair. As someone said,
crumpling metal absorbs energy before it gets to our fragile flesh and blood
bodies and THAT is important for surviving crashes.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| From: | "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
I would like to add an electric start to my pull start 447.
Observations/recommendations please. Pete
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 08:31 PM 4/1/2010, lhaggerty wrote:
>I would like to add an electric start to my pull start 447.
>Observations/recommendations please.
Why not just route the pull start so you can pull it from the cockpit and
save the starter weight?
-Dana
--
Government cannot give you anything it does not first take away from someone.
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| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
I added an electric Starter to my 447 on My Old Firestar and it was instal
led behind the Pull starter and I was able to install my Manual starter ba
ck over the top of it even though I never had to use the manual starter
I thought it was a nice back up to have on board I am the kind of guy th
at likes to have all the bells and whistles on my stuff with-in reason
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pull start
At 08:31 PM 4/1/2010, lhaggerty wrote:
I would like to add an electric start to my pull start 447. Observations/r
ecommendations please.
Why not just route the pull start so you can pull it from the cockpit and
save the starter weight?
-Dana
--
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one.
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
I also added the same kind of starter to my 447, since I was not able to
start my engine from the pilots seat. A word of warning however if any
of the bolts come loose it will crack portions of the engine case with
the normal wear and tear of the vibrations caused when the motor is
running. I got that type of starter because I was worried that if the
battery went dead I would need to be able to start it with the pull
rope. Knowing what I do now, Hand propping will work as well, I would
not have done that. Go for it, its only money!
Larry C
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From: Ellery Batchelder Jr
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pull start
I added an electric Starter to my 447 on My Old Firestar and it was
installed behind the Pull starter and I was able to install my Manual
starter back over the top of it even though I never had to use the
manual starter I thought it was a nice back up to have on board I am
the kind of guy that likes to have all the bells and whistles on my
stuff with-in reason
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
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From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2010 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pull start
At 08:31 PM 4/1/2010, lhaggerty wrote:
I would like to add an electric start to my pull start 447.
Observations/recommendations please.
Why not just route the pull start so you can pull it from the cockpit
and save the starter weight?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Mark III xtra down, one fatality, JZI Johns Is, SC |
| From: | "John T. Schmidt" <adlerflug1(at)yahoo.com> |
Gentlemen: I am sadden to report the following it is from todays news from JZI
Charleston SC
The Aircraft was a Mark III Xtra and John was a member of the local EAA Chapter
and I last spoke with him a month ago, I will send more info when I get some,
may he rest in peace.
Sincerely,
John T. Schmidt, CFI
JOHNS ISLAND, SC (WCSC) - Rescue crews from Charleston city and Charleston County
responded to a small plane crash on Johns Island late Thursday morning.
Charleston Aviation Authority spokesperson Becky Beaman said the FAA has arrived
on scene and the body has been removed from the crash site.
The Charleston County Coroner's office has not identified the pilot yet, but a
spokesperson with the FAA identified the pilot as 70-year-old John Ratcliffe of
Johns Island.
The Federal Aviation Administration says the kit-built fixed wing single-engine
Kolb Mark II Xtra was reported down around noon Thursday at the Charleston Executive
Airport on Johns Island, southwest of downtown Charleston.
Rescue personnel are reporting that the plane was an ultralight. It reportedly
took off from the Executive Airport and crashed into the marsh shortly after.
The cause of this crash now under investigation.
Beaman said the airport reopened at 5:30 p.m. Thursday
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Mark III xtra down, one fatality, JZI Johns Is, SC |
Now this truly saddens me. John Ratcliffe and I had extensive off-list cor
responces. I am at a loss of words=2C and wish the best for his family!
It is always a horrible loss when this happens to a member of our little gr
oup. John will be missed!
Mike Welch
> Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III xtra down=2C one fatality=2C JZI Johns Is=2C
SC
> From: adlerflug1(at)yahoo.com
> Date: Thu=2C 1 Apr 2010 19:46:57 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Gentlemen: I am sadden to report the following it is from todays news fro
m JZI Charleston SC
> The Aircraft was a Mark III Xtra and John was a member of the local EAA C
hapter and I last spoke with him a month ago=2C I will send more info when
I get some=2C may he rest in peace.
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> Sincerely=2C
> John T. Schmidt=2C CFI
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> JOHNS ISLAND=2C SC (WCSC) - Rescue crews from Charleston city and Charles
ton County responded to a small plane crash on Johns Island late Thursday m
orning.
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> Charleston Aviation Authority spokesperson Becky Beaman said the FAA has
arrived on scene and the body has been removed from the crash site.
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> The Charleston County Coroner's office has not identified the pilot yet
=2C but a spokesperson with the FAA identified the pilot as 70-year-old Joh
n Ratcliffe of Johns Island.
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> The Federal Aviation Administration says the kit-built fixed wing single-
engine Kolb Mark II Xtra was reported down around noon Thursday at the Char
leston Executive Airport on Johns Island=2C southwest of downtown Charlesto
n.
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> Rescue personnel are reporting that the plane was an ultralight. It repor
tedly took off from the Executive Airport and crashed into the marsh shortl
y after.
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> The cause of this crash now under investigation.
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> Beaman said the airport reopened at 5:30 p.m. Thursday
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III xtra down, one fatality, JZI Johns Is, SC |
Gentlemen: I am sadden to report the following it is from todays news from
JZI Charleston SC
The Aircraft was a Mark III Xtra and John was a member of the local EAA
Chapter and I last spoke with him a month ago, I will send more info when I
get some, may he rest in peace.
Sincerely,
John T. Schmidt, CFI
The Charleston County Coroner's office has not identified the pilot yet,
but a spokesperson with the FAA identified the pilot as 70-year-old John
Ratcliffe of Johns Island.
************
Morning Gang:
I am sorry to hear of John Ratcliffe's accident.
Never met John personally, but corresponded quite a bit with him when he was
preparing to fly his new MKIIIx.
RIP brother.
http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=12241202
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/apr/02/kit-built-plane-crashes-pilot-killed/
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III xtra down, one fatality, JZI Johns Is, SC |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15(at)juno.com> |
Sorry to hear this kind of news. It's always disturbing to hear when a pilot goes
down. My condolences to his family and friends.
Notice how the news distorts reporting:
"The aircraft are prone to stall, there's no backup system in place, and at low
altitudes the pilot doesn't have much time to recover, she said."
In actuality, light aircraft are safe with a good safety record.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III xtra down, one fatality, JZI Johns Is, SC |
Notice how the news distorts reporting:
"The aircraft are prone to stall, there's no backup system in place, and at
low altitudes the pilot doesn't have much time to recover, she said."
In actuality, light aircraft are safe with a good safety record.
Ralph
Ralph B/All:
Yes, I noticed how the FAA rep really had some bad, uninformed things to say
about our aircraft.
john hauck
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III xtra down, one fatality, JZI Johns Is, SC |
>
John,
I just checked out the jump. There has been time for comments to be added
to the original article. The paper was pretty much taken to task for poor
reporting and using unverified experts. Now may be a good time to back and
check it out again.
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/apr/02/kit-built-plane-crashes-pilot-killed/
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
>
>Ralph B/All:
>
>Yes, I noticed how the FAA rep really had some bad, uninformed things to say
>about our aircraft.
>
>john hauck
>Titus, Alabama
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Guys
FYI I got sufficiently ticked off at the newspaper report of the
recent fatal crash that I sent this to the newspaper Editor.
May do some good, may not.
Editor, Post and Courier:
That writeup by "Bo Peterson " about the fatal crash of a homebuilt
aircraft (NB: IT WAS NOT AN 'ULTRALIGHT') was a very poor piece of
reporting.
Your paper, and Mr Peterson, should hang your heads in shame.
ACCURATE REPORTING IS NOT DIFFICULT!
But you must resist the temptation to be dramatic and sensational,
and at least try to be accurate.
One disgusted pilot.
do not archiove
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Russ,
I complained to the local newspaper about what I thought were grievous
errors of fact. I was told that they accurately report was said, but
make no attempt to ascertain whether the information was accurate. So if
they interview someone who is not an expert or experienced with the question
subject matter, they will accurately report what was said.
FWIW
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
>Guys
>FYI I got sufficiently ticked off at the newspaper report of the
>recent fatal crash that I sent this to the newspaper Editor.
>May do some good, may not.
>
>Editor, Post and Courier:
>That writeup by "Bo Peterson " about the fatal crash of a homebuilt
>aircraft (NB: IT WAS NOT AN 'ULTRALIGHT') was a very poor piece of
>reporting.
>Your paper, and Mr Peterson, should hang your heads in shame.
>ACCURATE REPORTING IS NOT DIFFICULT!
>But you must resist the temptation to be dramatic and sensational,
>and at least try to be accurate.
>One disgusted pilot.
>
>do not archiove
>
>
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
Jack
I agree. But my point is that they should TRY to be accurate, which
includes interviewing (hopefully) accurate people; not just
whomever's nearby & wants to talk, and maybe get his name in the paper.
This may well be a lost cause!
Russ
do not archieve.
On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
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>
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> Russ,
>
> I complained to the local newspaper about what I thought were grievous
> errors of fact. I was told that they accurately report was said, but
> make no attempt to ascertain whether the information was accurate.
> So if
> they interview someone who is not an expert or experienced with the
> question
> subject matter, they will accurately report what was said.
>
> FWIW
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
>> Guys
>> FYI I got sufficiently ticked off at the newspaper report of the
>> recent fatal crash that I sent this to the newspaper Editor.
>> May do some good, may not.
>>
>> Editor, Post and Courier:
>> That writeup by "Bo Peterson " about the fatal crash of a homebuilt
>> aircraft (NB: IT WAS NOT AN 'ULTRALIGHT') was a very poor piece of
>> reporting.
>> Your paper, and Mr Peterson, should hang your heads in shame.
>> ACCURATE REPORTING IS NOT DIFFICULT!
>> But you must resist the temptation to be dramatic and sensational,
>> and at least try to be accurate.
>> One disgusted pilot.
>>
>> do not archiove
>>
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| Subject: | Cheap Ivo Spinner |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
This is a home made spinner that one of the guys in the Mountain Empire Sport Flyers
made
http://www.bcchapel.org/MESF/Index.html
It is made from a 2006 Ford F250 van air filter. The guys who are using it claim
it will stay in place even without a retaining screw (although they use one)
- that it clips over the bolt heads on an Ivoprop. Have no idea how it fits on
other props. I don't have one on the MKIII, so - no opinion.
Worth what ya paid for it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N4230P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 04/02/10 |
Just a note to say how sorry I am to hear of the crash of the MarkIII Extra and
especially the death of the pilot, John Ratcliffe. May the Lord meet every need
(physical, emotional, spiritual, financial, etc) of his family and friends.
Because I am building a MkIII, I will be interested to know the true facts
(as much as possible) about what happened. Hopefully the local EAAers will be
able to sort through the facts and correct the mess the lcoal reporters/papers
have made.
I appreciate the Kolb-list family and the help that many have been to me. Unfortunately
I have failed to mention the one Kolber that, more than any other, has
helped me and influenced me in my decision to go with a VW conversion engine,
Rick Neilsen. His personal experience, expertice, and practical advice about
the VW engines is just the information and encouragement (as you know building
a plane can get discouraging because of the time and costs involved) I needed
to make the decision. His pioneer efforts concerning the VW engines is proving
to be a boon or great benefit to a few of us that are following his lead
and to many more future Kolb builders/owners, especially since the TNK folk
are planning to use a VW engine on the next factory demo. Thanks Rick.
May all of you have a Blessed Easter.
Bob
MKIIIX
N830PB
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
they should TRY to be accurate>>
Hi Russ,
it is a lost cause I am afraid. Headlines that leave you wanting know more
is what sells newspapers. Not accurate reporting.
No matter how easy you mke it for editors to check facts they are just not
interested. I am continually amazed at the total ignorance of reporters,
even about matters which I think that any reasonably educated person should
be abreast of, let alone a group of people whose business it is to
disseminate news.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | my father was john ratcliffe |
| From: | "sratm" <sr-atm(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi,
my name is shawn ratcliffe. My father is the pilot that passed away on thursday.
I want to thank you right away for all the nice things you have said. My family
thanks you.
I came across this forum friday when i was looking for stories of my dad. I went
to the site thinking that it would be a generic discussion on what happened.
I was stunned to find out that many of you have actually gotten to know my dad
well. My father was a well liked man. With more friends than i new of. Always
helping others that were strangers. I have found out so much about my father
in the last days here.
I didn't want to know my dad growing up. for really stupid reasons. And as i got
older the anger got worse the more he tried to help. Not long ago, at the age
of 35 or so, we mended alot of holes. But I still didn't take the time sooner
to learn more. I was just to busy trying to move the career along that i was
in to take that time. During that just to busy time he was building his kolb.
I was excited at the thought of flying with him because he got me hooked when
i was around 4 or 5. But with my attitude as a child I never went to the lengths
he did to further that love of flying. The freedom you feel. The rush you
feel when pulling up and away from the runway. The sensation that runs through
your body.
I'm not able to take that flight with my father in life now, or even learn of
his life from him. But i have decide learn as much as i can of him through my
family, and to learn all he knew of flying by learning all i can of it.
i have decided to move out of my career now as quickly as i can and into a career
in aviation. To learn to be the pilot that my father was.
I hope to get to know all of you as well as my father did. I was told that he
got hooked on flying at a young age. He and is brother built a wooden plane and
drug it up on the roof of the house they lived in and his brother pushed him
and the plane off the roof and he crashed landed into some bushes. From his
first flight to his last he loved flying. My father was a pilot.
thank you again for all the friendship you show him.
sincerely Shawn M Ratcliffe
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| Subject: | Re: my father was john ratcliffe |
| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15(at)juno.com> |
Thanks Shawn for sharing this with the group. I too lost my father when I got home
from the service years ago. It was not in an aviation accident, but due to
alcohol. The sad part is that he was in naval air and could have done so much
more with his life in his retirement. This is how I got interested in aviation
as a youngster.
Good luck with your new goal to be a pilot. I love my Kolb's. They both give me
great pleasure in life. I will always be grateful to Homer Kolb and New Kolb
Aircraft for designing these great machines to fly.
I was out flying the Kolbra today. Here is a picture. It's starting to warm up
here in this cold country.
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Cheap Ivo Spinner |
Motorcraft Air Filter FA1632
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Fri, Apr 2, 2010 9:50 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Cheap Ivo Spinner
This is a home made spinner that one of the guys in the Mountain Empire Sp
ort
Flyers made
http://www.bcchapel.org/MESF/Index.html
It is made from a 2006 Ford F250 van air filter. The guys who are using it
claim
it will stay in place even without a retaining screw (although they use on
e) -
that it clips over the bolt heads on an Ivoprop. Have no idea how it fits
on
other props. I don't have one on the MKIII, so - no opinion.
Worth what ya paid for it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N4230P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Thanks! I'll add that to our club website tomorrow.
http://www.bcchapel.org/MESF/MESF.html
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mikuni Carburator |
List:
Has anyone tried to put a mikuni carb on a rotax 447 or 503? Just
curious as It seems rotax use bing and Kawasaki and Cayuna use the Mikuni.
Ed Diebel FF # 62
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| Subject: | Re: Mikuni Carburator |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
Had a single mikuni on a Rotax 503. Seemed OK. Made more power with dual bings,
fuel consumption comparable.
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Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| Subject: | Re: Question: Using ATF Transmission Fluid for Decarboning |
| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
I have used water on four strokes with good success.
Never did this to a 2 stroke.
Yamaha makes a product called ring free for carbon removal
2 strokes I just open up
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Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mikuni Carburator |
At 12:06 AM 4/5/2010, DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried to put a mikuni carb on a rotax 447 or 503? Just
> curious as It seems rotax use bing and Kawasaki and Cayuna use the Mikuni.
The Mikuni is reportedly the better carburetor, but liability scared them
out of the aviation market. You could use a Mikuni and it would doubtless
work quite well, but you'd be on your own as far as jetting goes.
-Dana
--
Q: Why is it that New Jersey got all the toxic waste dumps and California
got all the lawyers?
A: New Jersey had first choice.
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| Subject: | Re: Mikuni Carburator |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Ed,
Must be some,JBM makes a carb socket that goes from Mikuni to Rotax.
G.Aman
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From: DAquaNut(at)aol.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 12:06 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mikuni Carburator
List:
Has anyone tried to put a mikuni carb on a rotax 447 or 503? Just curi
ous as It seems rotax use bing and Kawasaki and Cayuna use the Mikuni.
Ed Diebel FF # 62
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| Subject: | Re: my father was john ratcliffe |
| From: | "clrprop" <ktony(at)windstream.net> |
I'm very sorry for your loss Shawn. I lost my Dad on Jan. 27th.
Here is an e-mail forwarded to me :
Last Tuesday (or Wed)AM I went out to JZI to pat my Luscombe. While I was there
a John Racliffe drove up in a pickup wi9th a 8-10 trailer behind him. I introduced
myself and he said he had a Kolb LSA in the trailer and he was going to
rent Hangar 10 (the other side of my row). He said he needed to fly off his hours
(a FAA requirement I think). We talked airplanes for a couple of minutes,
then I left.
Apparently the next morning he put the Kolb together and started flying there
at JZI staying near (east of) the runway (4/22). He must have crashed about 11
AM. Apparently no one heard his engine and started a check, then called 911.
Rescue vehicles included a airboat that had to be used to get to the crash site.
I was told by a local pilot that he got slow, stalled and spun to the pluff
mud. TV photo showed Kolb on its back, nose down. Pilot died of chest and head
injuries. Sad.
Keath T
Kolb Mark IIIC
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| From: | "George Myers" <gmyers(at)grandecom.net> |
| Subject: | Mikuni Carburator |
They have a dual mikuni carb setup for a 503 on ebay. Item number:
400113392115 Starting @ 49.95.
George
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Hague
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mikuni Carburator
At 12:06 AM 4/5/2010, DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote:
Has anyone tried to put a mikuni carb on a rotax 447 or 503? Just
curious as It seems rotax use bing and Kawasaki and Cayuna use the Mikuni.
The Mikuni is reportedly the better carburetor, but liability scared them
out of the aviation market. You could use a Mikuni and it would doubtless
work quite well, but you'd be on your own as far as jetting goes.
-Dana
--
Q: Why is it that New Jersey got all the toxic waste dumps and California
got all the lawyers?
A: New Jersey had first choice.
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Seats for a MkIIIC |
Has anyone come up with a seat for the Mk IIIC that offer more support
than the sling seat?
Thanks,
Rick Girard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Rick
I bought some seats that come out of a piper tomahawk. there were some
rollers used for moving the for and aft, that I removed. and the
pins that hold the seat in the for and aft position,,, I use to take
the seat in and out quickly. they couple into some brackets I made and
welded in place.
just for fun. the fbo had a seat out of a Cessna 150 that I trial fit.
they would have been a second choice. I cant remember now what type of
brackets I would have had to build.
I know I have taken some pictures but cant find them right a way.
probably on the old computer.
Boyd Young
Kolb mkIII
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC |
Getting rid of the sling back is the second objective. I've straightened
the....>
dont you guys have the upholstered seats that Kolb issued. Very smart
with the logo. As for bending the bar....what do you do?. i weigh 210
lbs straight out of the shower so I reckon at least another 20lbs for
clothes and I couldn`t bend the bar if I jumped on it.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | <apilot(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC...reply |
My Mark III Classic is very comfortable with homemade seats. I used the Kolb furnished
black sling seat material for a 2" foam cushion cover. The bottom and
back sides are aluminum extrusions like on a motorhome awning and the seat and
back are of .020 sheet stock. I used a Target stadium chair for the bottom.
The aluminum sits on the fuselage tubes and the back rests against a 2" alum
extrusion to hold the seat forward of the frame that goes right in front of
the two gas tanks. Two pins hold each one in place so it is easy to get them
out to work on brakes and things. The cost was around $30 using surplus aluminum
sheet and extrusion.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC |
At 06:18 PM 4/5/2010, russ kinne wrote:
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>In re seats -- Ken Brock made up a seat-tank years ago that held 5
>gallons or more. Sounds like a good idea, tho it must be COLD in the
>winter.
>Someone must have tried this? Good or bad?
I almost bought a seat tank for my UltraStar, but then I sat in one in my
friend's gyrocopter. I don't know how cold it is, but it's not terribly
comfortable. Decided to keep the existing (comfortable) fiberglass seat
and install a custom aluminum tank behind the seat.
-Dana
--
Assassins do it from behind.
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| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC |
| From: | "ASchlem" <aschlem77(at)yahoo.com> |
There is a post out there where a guy used seats out of a Rans S6/7. He had some
good photos of the install. Also his setup was adjustable.
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| Subject: | Re: Mikuni Carburator |
| From: | "ASchlem" <aschlem77(at)yahoo.com> |
I have a set of mikuni superBN's (pumper type) that i'm going to use for inverted
flight setup on my Rans S10. There is a wealth of knowlege about them on the
Yahoo Sakota group.
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| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC |
| From: | "ASchlem" <aschlem77(at)yahoo.com> |
Here is a link to his site. http://www.kilocharlie.us/Kolb%20history.htm The seat info is about half way down the page
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| From: | "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
I can't seem to find airspeed limits when using flaperons, anyone.???
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
I know what ya mean about bending that tube. I replaced mine with one that had
a LOT more wall thickness. Cured that -
Also know what ya mean about cutting off circulation to the leg. I fit pretty good,
no problems, but the Good Lookin' Old Poop needs a pad under her leg over
the front tube, the stock seat thing just doesn't fit right for her.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, Richard.
Rick
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
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> I know what ya mean about bending that tube. I replaced mine with one that
> had a LOT more wall thickness. Cured that -
>
> Also know what ya mean about cutting off circulation to the leg. I fit
> pretty good, no problems, but the Good Lookin' Old Poop needs a pad under
> her leg over the front tube, the stock seat thing just doesn't fit right for
> her.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC |
| From: | "ASchlem" <aschlem77(at)yahoo.com> |
You don't post your name but I do appreciate the lead, so thanks ASchlem
Sorry, new to the group. My name is Aaron. I'm working on a MarkIIIX
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC |
>
>
Also know what ya mean about cutting off circulation to the leg. I fit
pretty good, no problems, but the Good Lookin' Old Poop needs a pad under
her leg over the front tube, the stock seat thing just doesn't fit right for
her.
>
Richard, & Richard,
I like my full sling seat. I am short legged, and so at first I used a lot
of padding to move my self forward so that I could reach the rudder pedals.
Then I realized that, if I released the material from the lower rear cross
tube and hiked up the back it would form a true sling seat that would
automatically slide me forward. It almost worked too well, in that I
slipped too far forward, and I had to remember to push my self back in the
seat.
Although I could reach the rudder pedals ok, I found that after an hour
flight, I staggered like a drunk upon arrival. The front cross piece was
cutting into the back of my legs and cutting off the circulation. To get
around this problem I made a cheek board and some padding to raise my cheeks
a sufficient amount to get the pressure off my legs and to prevent the
problem. Currently, the whole works weighs a little over 1.5 pounds.
A true sling seat has a tendency to let your rear end swing around a little
in rough air. I found a five point set belt and shoulder harness seems to be
the answer to this problem, and it also prevents you from sliding forward
during the flight.
How the cheek board was made can be seen at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly37.html
FWIW
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC |
How about a go-kart seat? I would think a lot lighter than those JEGS seats.
http://www.bmikarts.com/shop/?shop=1&cat=176
Click for larger image Go Kart Bucket Seat
Bucket Seat Complete with Seat Brackets and Hardware. Sold with or without seat
cover. Seat cover also sold seperately.
High Impact Nylon Seat.
Reinforced Mounting Sockets
Part #400511 (with Cover) $89.95
Part #400510 (no Cover)$59.95
Part #400509 (Cover Only) $42.95
SKU Number:400510
Price: $59.95
Seat Cover: Without Cover #400510 ($59.95)With Cover #400511 ($89.95)Cover Only
#400509 ($42.95)
3250:=:59.95,3251:=:89.95,3569:=:42.95
Quantity:
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC |
If you'll pardon a correction -- I think you mean the OTHER Good-
Lookin' Old Poop
do not archive
On Apr 5, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> I know what ya mean about bending that tube. I replaced mine with
> one that had a LOT more wall thickness. Cured that -
>
> Also know what ya mean about cutting off circulation to the leg. I
> fit pretty good, no problems, but the Good Lookin' Old Poop needs a
> pad under her leg over the front tube, the stock seat thing just
> doesn't fit right for her.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293135#293135
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Rick,
The builder of my Slingshot replaced the standard SS seat (not sling type) with
a plastic molded seat with a somewhat padded slip cover. See attached photo.
I think he scavenged it from one of those inexpensive chairs they used to use
in a middle school cafeterias and removed the legs. He liked it better than the
standard seat but I did not, so I put the original back in.
The standard SS seat is a board with padding for the seat bottom and another board
with padding for the seat back. They snugly fit inside the tubing frames for
the seat bottom and the fold-forward seat back. This makes access to everything
beneath and behind the seat very quick and easy. Can't do that with the after-market
seat. Sorry I don't have photos of the standard seat.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Kolbers-
I plan to be at S&F on Thursday the 15th and look forward to seeing some of you
there!
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Hi All,
I'll be hanging around the Kolb tent on the 14th an till about noon on the 15th,
Hope to meet lots of "Kolbers"
Frank Goodnight
fire star 2
Brownsville, TX
________________________________
From: Jimmy Young <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 8:40:46 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun
Kolbers-
I plan to be at S&F on Thursday the 15th and look forward to seeing some of you
there!
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| From: | <apilot(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seats for a MkIIIC...reply |
sorry no pictures
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| Subject: | new Firefly now in Durham |
| From: | Bob Kravis <bob.kravis(at)gmail.com> |
Well it's been a while but the new plane is finally here. Last month I
bought the blue & yellow FF that was in WA, and the FF trailer in IL (both
on Barnstormers in Feb.). It was safely shipped to Paxton, IL and loaded
onto the new trailer. I thank all the contributors with suggestions on
preparing it for travel on an open trailer. A small band of
brothers-of-the-air helped prep it and it made it back in fine shape. The
only damage was a loose pitot tube mounting plate on the nose cone. We had
quite a few people come over and look when we stopped to eat or get fuel and
I guess someone bumped into it.
We got a big roll of bubble wrap and covered the outsides of the wings and
then used about a half a roll of stretch wrap (pallet wrap from Home Depot)
and covered her up against the weather. I also secured one blade of the
prop to the boom with an extension and some duct tape. We ran into lots of
rain, some snow and some buffeting winds but she came through it all.
Right now she sits under the carport on the trailer with a tarp over her.
The local EAA Chapter 1114 was very helpful in finding some hangar space
with one of its members. I need to get my own insurance (liability only)
before taking it there and that is becoming a challenge. USUA insurance
require the pilot hold their training registration and that the plane be
registered with them. The training, as I read it, must be with one of their
BFI's and there are none listed in NC. I am waiting for a call back from
the EAA Insurance agent. Any other suggestions?
Equally challenging is finding an instructor. I am trying to find a
tailwheel instructor, CFI, for my 7 hours of dual time and I had hoped there
would be one at every airport. Not the case! I want to complete the EAA UL
Pilot Registration so I will need 7 hrs. dual and 3 hrs. supervised solo. I
also want to get some dual time in a two seater Kolb but have not been able
to locate one. I found some old posts searching for NC in the archives but
if anybody knows any current owners please let me know. There is rumor of a
2 place Kolb in Hillsborough, NC and that would be ideal ... but no name or
contact info could be found. :-(
Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new Firefly now in Durham |
Jim Kmet is on the list...and I thought he did some training in his
MkIII? Herb
At 02:41 PM 4/6/2010, you wrote:
>Well it's been a while but the new plane is finally here. Last
>month I bought the blue & yellow FF that was in WA, and the FF
>trailer in IL (both on Barnstormers in Feb.). It was safely shipped
>to Paxton, IL and loaded onto the new trailer. I thank all the
>contributors with suggestions on preparing it for travel on an open
>trailer. A small band of brothers-of-the-air helped prep it and it
>made it back in fine shape. The only damage was a loose pitot tube
>mounting plate on the nose cone. We had quite a few people come
>over and look when we stopped to eat or get fuel and I guess someone
>bumped into it.
>
>We got a big roll of bubble wrap and covered the outsides of the
>wings and then used about a half a roll of stretch wrap (pallet wrap
>from Home Depot) and covered her up against the weather. I also
>secured one blade of the prop to the boom with an extension and some
>duct tape. We ran into lots of rain, some snow and some buffeting
>winds but she came through it all.
>
>Right now she sits under the carport on the trailer with a tarp over
>her. The local EAA Chapter 1114 was very helpful in finding some
>hangar space with one of its members. I need to get my own
>insurance (liability only) before taking it there and that is
>becoming a challenge. USUA insurance require the pilot hold their
>training registration and that the plane be registered with
>them. The training, as I read it, must be with one of their BFI's
>and there are none listed in NC. I am waiting for a call back from
>the EAA Insurance agent. Any other suggestions?
>
>Equally challenging is finding an instructor. I am trying to find a
>tailwheel instructor, CFI, for my 7 hours of dual time and I had
>hoped there would be one at every airport. Not the case! I want to
>complete the EAA UL Pilot Registration so I will need 7 hrs. dual
>and 3 hrs. supervised solo. I also want to get some dual time in a
>two seater Kolb but have not been able to locate one. I found some
>old posts searching for NC in the archives but if anybody knows any
>current owners please let me know. There is rumor of a 2 place Kolb
>in Hillsborough, NC and that would be ideal ... but no name or
>contact info could be found. :-(
>
>Bob
>
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Got a chance to pick up a 4:1 C box fairly reasonably, idea is to reduce prop speed
~ prop noise. Anybody on the list using one on a 582, and what sort of prop
are you using?
How do you like it?
Don't want to waste money experimenting if somebody else has already established
it doesn't work...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Flying single I cannot get a departure stall to break, it just bobs the
nose a bit.
Rick Girard
Rick G/Gang:
That is normal performance for all models of Kolb aircraft.
john hauck
mkIII - 2,994.0 hours
912ULS - 424.8 hours
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: new Firefly now in Durham |
| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
Great not to much damage for the long transport on an open trailer
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kravis <bob.kravis(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 3:41 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: new Firefly now in Durham
Well it's been a while but the new plane is finally here. Last month I bo
ught the blue & yellow FF that was in WA, and the FF trailer in IL (both
on Barnstormers in Feb.). It was safely shipped to Paxton, IL and loaded
onto the new trailer. I thank all the contributors with suggestions on
preparing it for travel on an open trailer. A small band of brothers-of-
the-air helped prep it and it made it back in fine shape. The only damage
was a loose pitot tube mounting plate on the nose cone. We had quite a
few people come over and look when we stopped to eat or get fuel and I gu
ess someone bumped into it.
We got a big roll of bubble wrap and covered the outsides of the wings and
then used about a half a roll of stretch wrap (pallet wrap from Home Depo
t) and covered her up against the weather. I also secured one blade of th
e prop to the boom with an extension and some duct tape. We ran into lots
of rain, some snow and some buffeting winds but she came through it all.
Right now she sits under the carport on the trailer with a tarp over her.
The local EAA Chapter 1114 was very helpful in finding some hangar space
with one of its members. I need to get my own insurance (liability only)
before taking it there and that is becoming a challenge. USUA insurance
require the pilot hold their training registration and that the plane be
registered with them. The training, as I read it, must be with one of th
eir BFI's and there are none listed in NC. I am waiting for a call back
from the EAA Insurance agent. Any other suggestions?
Equally challenging is finding an instructor. I am trying to find a tailw
heel instructor, CFI, for my 7 hours of dual time and I had hoped there wo
uld be one at every airport. Not the case! I want to complete the EAA UL
Pilot Registration so I will need 7 hrs. dual and 3 hrs. supervised solo.
I also want to get some dual time in a two seater Kolb but have not been
able to locate one. I found some old posts searching for NC in the archi
ves but if anybody knows any current owners please let me know. There is
rumor of a 2 place Kolb in Hillsborough, NC and that would be ideal ...
but no name or contact info could be found. :-(
Bob
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: new Firefly now in Durham |
At 03:41 PM 4/6/2010, Bob Kravis wrote:
>...I need to get my own insurance (liability only) before taking it there
>and that is becoming a challenge. USUA insurance require the pilot hold
>their training registration and that the plane be registered with
>them. The training, as I read it, must be with one of their BFI's and
>there are none listed in NC...
Naturally, the BFI program ended with the implementation of Sport
Pilot. They'll accept an FAA pilot certificate, of course, and I get the
impression that a solo signoff from a CFI is also acceptable. The people
at First Flight Insurance (USUA's underwriter) are very helpful and can
answer your questions.
-Dana
--
But do you trust the _government_ with semi-automatic assault rifles?
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
rickofudall wrote:
> It's a three blade with straight blades and square tips. I get 82 IAS at 6200
RPM, but I run 62 IAS at 5200 mostly for economy and longevity and almost never
go above 5600 RPM in level flight.
>
> Rick
>
> [b]
Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted. Now All I have to do is see if I can change
my 2 blade Ivo to a 3 blade and use it, or do I need to sell the Ivo and go
to a 3 blade Warp.
(Which will make John SO pleased... )
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | Beauford Tuton <beauford173(at)verizon.net> |
Pete:
I am not aware of any aileron droop speed restrictions on the FF. I cannot
find any in the builder's manual.
Given the small amount of droop possible with the design=2C I feel comforta
ble not being concerned
about an absolute IAS number...I cannot detect very much trim change in my
FF whether they are up or down and have never had a problem dropping the dr
oop at any reasonable pattern speed. So far nothing has bent or come off of
mine.
Then too=2C as practical matter=2C there are a lot of variables in various
airspeed plumbing/static installations=2C sizes of aileron chord=2C etc. on
individual Flys. IAS accuracy varies from Fly to Fly... Aileron loads ca
n vary based on 15 inch=2C 9 inch=2C or whatever you happen to have on your
s.
If you really want to see if there is a definitive answer to your question
=2C suggest you call the Kolb folks
or contact Dennis Souder. I believe he pretty much designed the FF and did
the test flying on it... If there is a number=2C betcha Dennis would know.
Worth what ye paid fer it...
drooped beauford
FF-076
Brandon=2C FL
Date: Mon=2C 5 Apr 2010 21:40:44 -0400
From: lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Fire Fly Flaps
I can't seem to find airspeed limits when using flaperons=2C anyone.??? Pe
te
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The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with H
otmail.
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PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
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I would go with a 68" 3 blade...........
In a message dated 4/6/2010 11:20:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
richard(at)bcchapel.org writes:
Now All I have to do is see if I can change my 2 blade Ivo to a 3 blade
and use it, or do I need to sell the Ivo and go to a 3 blade Warp
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| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Jeff and now plan to drive. We'll arrive Friday AM,
and plan to check out the fabric seminar.
We'll stay the day, and probably Saturday AM.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Jeff and now plan to drive. We'll arrive Friday AM,
and plan to check out the fabric seminar.
We'll stay the day, and probably Saturday AM.
Folks:
I plan to depart here Tuesday morning. If I can get up and get going early
enough, I can make it to LAL before they close the field for the airshow at
1400 EDST. If not, I have to wait it out until it is over and they open up
the field again, around 1800. I am going to try and get there before the
airshow which. That means I have to get there 1300 CDST because I lose an
hour flying east.
I'll be camping with Rick Neilsen in the UL aircraft camping area at the NE
corner of the UL airstrip. Will probably hang out until Sunday. Will be
spending my days with Travis and Dennis at the Kolb display.
Look forward to spending time with everyone, and visiting eyeball to
eyeball, rather than through this darn monitor.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
HShack(at)aol.com wrote:
> I would go with a 68" 3 blade...........
>
>
Currently using a 68" Ivo 2 blade. If I could simply add another blade, that would
be ideal. Will call Ivo and ask them.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: new Firefly now in Durham |
| From: | Bob Kravis <bob.kravis(at)gmail.com> |
I was able to get more information about the USUA Insurance program (the *
only* source) and you are correct in all you say. The insurance can be had
after obtaining an EAA Pilot Registration Form and getting a sign off for
solo from a CFI. Also the EAA Registration for the plane will suffice
according to what I've been told.
So, I am still trying to locate 1) CFI that teaches in a taildragger and 2)
a two seat Kolb for "in type" transition time.
bk
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
> At 03:41 PM 4/6/2010, Bob Kravis wrote:
>
> ...I need to get my own insurance (liability only) before taking it there
> and that is becoming a challenge. USUA insurance require the pilot hold
> their training registration and that the plane be registered with them. The
> training, as I read it, must be with one of their BFI's and there are none
> listed in NC...
>
>
> Naturally, the BFI program ended with the implementation of Sport Pilot.
> They'll accept an FAA pilot certificate, of course, and I get the impression
> that a solo signoff from a CFI is also acceptable. The people at First
> Flight Insurance (USUA's underwriter) are very helpful and can answer your
> questions.
>
> -Dana
>
> --
> But do you trust the _government_ with semi-automatic assault rifles?
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> |
John/All
I will fly in late on the 12th Monday or early on the 13th and will be there
all week, all dependent on weather. I will be camping under the wing of my
plane.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sun & Fun
>
>
> Jeff and now plan to drive. We'll arrive Friday AM,
> and plan to check out the fabric seminar.
> We'll stay the day, and probably Saturday AM.
>
>
> Folks:
>
> I plan to depart here Tuesday morning. If I can get up and get going
> early
> enough, I can make it to LAL before they close the field for the airshow
> at
> 1400 EDST. If not, I have to wait it out until it is over and they open
> up
> the field again, around 1800. I am going to try and get there before the
> airshow which. That means I have to get there 1300 CDST because I lose an
> hour flying east.
>
> I'll be camping with Rick Neilsen in the UL aircraft camping area at the
> NE
> corner of the UL airstrip. Will probably hang out until Sunday. Will be
> spending my days with Travis and Dennis at the Kolb display.
>
> Look forward to spending time with everyone, and visiting eyeball to
> eyeball, rather than through this darn monitor.
>
> john hauck
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
End of the line - Ivo said no. The U/L prop will not work on the 3.47 or 4:1 ratio
gearboxes. Would have to upgrade to a stronger prop than the U/L unit, & that
is too much money for what I want. Think I'll just get a good ANR headset
instead.
Thanks anyway guys for helping, at least I know more now than I did.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: new Firefly now in Durham |
At 01:48 PM 4/7/2010, Bob Kravis wrote:
>I was able to get more information about the USUA Insurance program (the
>only source)...
Actually you can get the same insurance from ASC, but it's the same
underwriter and the same price.
>So, I am still trying to locate 1) CFI that teaches in a taildragger and
>2) a two seat Kolb for "in type" transition time.
The first is easy, the second is more problematic.
-Dana
--
Place a half full glass of water before a pessimist, optimist and an
engineer:
The pessimist says the glass is half empty.
The optimist says the glass if half full.
The engineer says the glass is too large.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | John Dunham - 2d Chantz Recovery Systems |
Gang:
I talked with John Dunham today. John sponsored me with my first 2d Chantz
Ballistic Recovery System in 1992. Together we designed and installed a
parachute inside the center section of the MKIII. Because of liability
suits, 2d Chantz went out of business in 1996. Now they are alive and
kicking once again.
If you were wise enough to keep you old 2d Chantz parachute, you can send it
to 2d Chantz to get it updated and put some more life into an old piece of
equipment. I still have mine.
There is a telephone number and email address at John's blog spot:
http://secondchantz.blogspot.com/
john hauck
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Looking for help to fix radio noise? |
| From: | "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Kolb friends,
I have been using an A5 ICOM for several years with an external antenna. It
gives me good service in reception and transmitting and I am satisfied with it
except for one problem, and I know next to nothing about radio tech.
I get lots of interference, or feed over noise whenever I get within two or three
miles of a local radio tower.
Is there some kind of antenna filter or something I can use to prevent this?
My antenna I believe came off a general aviation, possibly a Cessna 172.
Any radio experts out there in Kolb land that can point me in the right direction
to fix this?
Gene Z
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Looking for help to fix radio noise? |
Gene=2C
Can you describe your "ground plane".....the area that your antenna mount
s to.
If I'm not mistaken=2C and I'm no expert=2C I believe you have to have at
least a rectangular metal grid=2C the length of your antenna in each direc
tion=2C that the antenna mounts in the center of.
You can use 1/2" wide copper tape=2C soldered in the center of a cross=2C
with all 4 arms 23" long. You then mount the antenna in the center of the
cross=2C making sure you attach the antenna's ground to your "antenna plan
e".
This is how I understand it. If we have any antenna gurus=2C I'm sure th
ey can correct me. IIRC=2C Boyd knows some details on electronics and stuf
f.
Hope I helped=2C
Mike Welch
MkIII
> Subject: Kolb-List: Looking for help to fix radio noise?
> From: etzimm(at)gmail.com
> Date: Wed=2C 7 Apr 2010 18:34:36 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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> Kolb friends=2C
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> I have been using an A5 ICOM for several years with an external antenna.
It gives me good service in reception and transmitting and I am satisfied w
ith it except for one problem=2C and I know next to nothing about radio tec
h.
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> I get lots of interference=2C or feed over noise whenever I get within tw
o or three miles of a local radio tower.
> Is there some kind of antenna filter or something I can use to prevent th
is?
> My antenna I believe came off a general aviation=2C possibly a Cessna 172
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> Any radio experts out there in Kolb land that can point me in the right d
irection to fix this?
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> Gene Z
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| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
Richard
if you want to trade your IVO for a 3 blade warp Talk to me
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:19 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 4:1 C box
ickofudall wrote:
It's a three blade with straight blades and square tips. I get 82 IAS at
6200
PM, but I run 62 IAS at 5200 mostly for economy and longevity and almost
never
o above 5600 RPM in level flight.
Rick
[b]
hanks, that's exactly what I wanted. Now All I have to do is see if I can
hange my 2 blade Ivo to a 3 blade and use it, or do I need to sell the Ivo
and
o to a 3 blade Warp.
Which will make John SO pleased... )
Richard Pike
KIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for help to fix radio noise? |
| From: | "icrashrc" <icrashrc(at)aol.com> |
Gene,
Obviously we need more info on the type of coax and antenna you're using but here's
my best guess...
To my knowledge picking up a radio or TV station when close to the broadcasting
tower means you need a balun in your system. Without one it's actually possible
to overload and ruin the input side of the radio, if it's not protected internally.
I've attached a file with a good description of what a balun does and
how to make one yourself. It was easier than typing it all myself! :-)
Scott
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Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/antenna_design_118.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for help to fix radio noise? |
| From: | "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Scott,
Thank you,
That is precisely the kind of help I was looking for.
I will be trying the balun soon.
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for help to fix radio noise? |
I believe you have to have at least a rectangular metal grid, the length
of your antenna in each direction, that the antenna mounts in the center
of.>>
If an ordinary handheld works fine from a little `rubber ducky` antenna
about 6 inches long why is all this other stuff required?
info please
Pat
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| Subject: | to show my appreciation |
| From: | "sratm" <sr-atm(at)hotmail.com> |
i wanted to stop by and thank you all again. It has been hard with the passing
of my father, harder than i imagined. With all of you that were able to able to
his memorial it has help to ease the pain. My condolences go out to you that
have lost your fathers,recently or in the past. You don't know the pain someone
feels until you feel it yourself. I pray that you all were able to find the
peace that you needed. As i have.
it's going to be a long road until i am the pilot my father was, or to even know
everything he knew of airplanes. But i hope that with your help that the day
will come that i can say i am. thank you again. and i look forward to interacting
with you all in the future.
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| Subject: | AEROSHELL OIL SPORT PLUS 2 |
| From: | "albertakolbmk3" <cheriebraun(at)xplornet.com> |
Hi Guys,
Anyone know what ratio this oil can be mixed at and where a person can buy it in
Alberta?
Tony
--------
Tony B.
Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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| Subject: | Re: AEROSHELL OIL SPORT PLUS 2 |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
No, but I looked up the price, and you can get Phillips Injex for half that much.
I have been using Injex since 1983 for over 1500 hours of 2 stroke time, and
have had zero problems. And probably every snowmobile dealer in Alberta has
it in stock.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for help to fix radio noise? |
Hi Mike,
thanks very much. i am still playing with mine as I don`t use it a lot.
I just used the extension lead supplied with the radio.(which i bought
from John H some years ago) an stuck the rubber ducky on the end
sticking out below the pod. i think it picks up a signal OK until the
engine is run. Then its useless.
i was thinking more about shielding from the engine but perhaps I
should investigate further.
The Eurostar which I previously had a share in had a hand held wired in
but necause it worked perfectly on delivery I never investigated
further.
First flight of the season yesterday. An hour in perfect weather. Did a
timed climb, a Vne dive, and a couple of stalls to get the figures for
my annual permit and then just swanned around enjoying the glorious
Spring countryside.
Having not flown since last September I have an excuse for making a bog
of the landing. Much too high and had to go round. I had to do a baulked
landing for the permit as well so that was useful. Unfortunately the
engine stopped on my second approach. i took the flap off a bit smart to
extend the glide and just squeaked in over the hedge.
Engine started again to taxi in but on inspection I found a plug lead
had become detached. A bungee seems to be indicated to hold the leads
on.
All part of lifes rich pattern.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: AEROSHELL OIL SPORT PLUS 2 |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Richard,
I no longer have a 2-stroke but am curious if you used Phillips Injex in both air-cooled
and the 582 engines, lo these many years.
I still have a few quarts of the (pre-aeroshell) Pennzoil 2-stroke for air-cooled
oil in my lubricants cabinet.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| Subject: | Re: AEROSHELL OIL SPORT PLUS 2 |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Thom Riddle wrote:
> Richard,
>
> I no longer have a 2-stroke but am curious if you used Phillips Injex in both
air-cooled and the 582 engines, lo these many years.
>
> I still have a few quarts of the (pre-aeroshell) Pennzoil 2-stroke for air-cooled
oil in my lubricants cabinet.
Yep. Started with the Rotax 277 on the Hummer in 1983, used it in the 532 in the
J-6, the 532 in the MKIII, and now the 582 in the MKIII. Doing an annual now,
the dental mirror shows a faint dusting of carbon on top of the piston, nothing
on the underside of the head, a little in the corners of the exhaust manifold,
and the rings are free. 582 is right at 200 hours.
Also, it does not leave clumps of sticky black carbon on the tail like Pennzoil
did. (Tried it for one summer, went back to Injex)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
KOLBERS- Has anyone had any experince with AMSOIL? The owner of-"Ultral
ight center" claims to have never had a rebuilt engine cease in 1q3 years!H
e builds his engines with ceramic coated pistons also . anybody using one o
f his engines ?=0A-Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisable
d from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for help to fix radio noise? |
thanks very much. i am still playing with mine as I don`t use it a lot. I
just used the extension lead supplied with the radio.(which i bought from
John H some years ago) an stuck the rubber ducky on the end sticking out
below the pod. i think it picks up a signal OK until the engine is run. Then
its useless.
i was thinking more about shielding from the engine but perhaps I should
investigate further.
Pat
Patrick/Gang:
Install a 20,000mf capacitor, or there abouts, in the 12VDC wires after the
regulator/rectifier. The capacitor will act like a big filter and soak up
much of the ignition and alternator noise.
john hauck
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Looking for help to fix radio noise? |
> Install a 20=2C000mf capacitor=2C or there abouts=2C in the 12VDC wires a
fter the
> regulator/rectifier. The capacitor will act like a big filter and soak up
> much of the ignition and alternator noise.
>
> john hauck
> Titus=2C Alabama
John=2C
I've heard of this remedy before ( I think from you a couple of years ago
). Exactly how would a person hook up this capacitor? IIRC=2C it hooks up
between the + & - posts of the battery=2C correct?
Aslo=2C is this something everyone should do (that uses a radio)=2C or do
you think only on a "as needed" basis?
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for help to fix radio noise? |
I've heard of this remedy before ( I think from you a couple of years
ago). Exactly how would a person hook up this capacitor? IIRC, it hooks up
between the + & - posts of the battery, correct?
Aslo, is this something everyone should do (that uses a radio), or do you
think only on a "as needed" basis?
Mike Welch
MkIII
Mike W/Gang:
Like a lot of things, I learned it by chance.
Put lights on a dirt bike without a battery. Bought a kit from JC Whitney.
Kit included a small capacitor (battery replacement).
Wanted to take advantage of the alternator on the 447 on my Firestar,
remembered the JC Whitney kit and stole the capacitor from the old dirt
bike.
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