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Subject: | Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? |
Sent: Sep 19, 2010 11:31
Hello all,
Just wanted to revive this thread from the dead.
Anyone still flying around S FL? I fly a FS 2 out of lantana airport and
live in
west palm beach. It would be cool to meet up with some other kolb flyers.
Ill be flying mine for a couple more months and then probably selling it.
Its
very airworthy, just not very pretty which is what i intend to change.
Anyway...let me know!
-Dylan
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From: | Ron Hoyt <rrh(at)rrhoyt.com> |
Subject: | Re: airspeed indicator calibration |
Here is a paper on calibrating Air speed. For initial flights the other
comments on watching for the stall/takeoff are all you need.
Ron
On 9/18/2010 5:35 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
>
> Kolb guys,
>
> I am in the process of installing all the instruments in my MkIII. One of
the
> instruments is an analog airspeed indicator. It's a standard, typical type of
indicator that uses
> ram air to determine it's reading, by way of a pitot tube.
>
> Out of the box, I can't imagine it can be very accurate, can it? I mean,
everybody will have
> their own unique design in installing one of these, so I would think that each
installation would
> be off a little from someone else's installation. Or, are they much more uniform
in their
> readings?
>
> I have the exact placement in my panel and the routing of the tubing pretty
much figured out.
>
> For those guys that have installed an airspeed indicator, did you calibrate
it in any way first,
> or did you just stick it in the plane and live with whatever reading it says
once you start
> flying the plane?
>
> I thought what I would do is essentially build the whole system, and get someone
to drive
> a car down the road, with me hanging the A/S indicator's pitot tube out the window.
While this
> may seem somewhat silly, at least I could an idea how accurate it might be.
At least it's a start,
> right? Has anybody done this?? Or is it a waste of time?
>
> For an instrument that has so much riding on it, and if new, hasn't really
proven itself for
> accuracy, it seems to me a guy ought to verify in some way it comes "close" to
the correct
> airspeed.
>
> Any thoughts or experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII
>
>
>
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Gene Z/Gang:
The photos came out great on the BBS:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=74637&sid=7f7045dc8c1c19757e2c7e4a4ec8faa2
Sorry about the gigantic mess it created on the email list. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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From: | "gtaylor" <gtaylor35918(at)roadrunner.com> |
Not to ask a stupid question, I am familiar with CG, is VG a typo, or
something else.
Thanks, Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall
>
> Kolbers,
>
> A couple of comments. VG's will move the center of lift a little to the
> rear. Also different planes of the same model will stall differently due
> to
> differences in cg. Moving them to the rear will give a more gentle break
> and/or mush. Move them forward, and the stall will be more pronounced.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? |
From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, guys,
We have a Mk3c at Pompano.
Don't fly every weekend, but are almost always
accessible.
The flyin mentioned was Arcadia.
One poss is Okeechobee. Decent restaurant, lots of room on ramp.
Dave
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From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- VG's are vortex generators.- Look them up on the Matronics Wiki for d
iscussions.- Jack Hart has an excellent web site, and they can also be lo
oked up there.- Look it up on the web as "Firefly Slide Show".- I don't
have the address handy.-
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--------------------FS 447
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From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
>
>Not to ask a stupid question, I am familiar with CG, is VG a typo, or
>something else.
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Greg,
VG's is a short form for vortex generators
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? |
From: | "gotime242" <dylanshine(at)gmail.com> |
Watkinsdw wrote:
> Hi, guys,
> We have a Mk3c at Pompano.
> Don't fly every weekend, but are almost always
> accessible.
> The flyin mentioned was Arcadia.
> One poss is Okeechobee. Decent restaurant, lots of room on ramp.
> Dave
That would be fun due to the restaurant, ive been up there quite a bit in the past.
I would love to get a little kolb fly-in going in this area.
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From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Can you access the subject of VG's thru Matt or somehow? (Vortex
Generators)
There's been a lot of talk about them in the past
Worth reading.
On Sep 19, 2010, at 6:37 PM, gtaylor wrote:
>
>
> Not to ask a stupid question, I am familiar with CG, is VG a typo,
> or something else.
> Thanks, Greg
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack B. Hart"
>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall
>
>
>>
>>
>> Kolbers,
>>
>> A couple of comments. VG's will move the center of lift a little
>> to the
>> rear. Also different planes of the same model will stall
>> differently due to
>> differences in cg. Moving them to the rear will give a more
>> gentle break
>> and/or mush. Move them forward, and the stall will be more
>> pronounced.
>>
>> Jack B. Hart FF004
>> Winchester, IN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: airspeed indicator calibration |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
rrh(at)rrhoyt.com wrote:
> Here is a paper on calibrating Air speed. For initial flights the other
> comments on watching for the stall/takeoff are all you need.
>
> Ron
>
>
Great paper. It had a url for a downloadable Excel spread sheet but the link was
broken. By any chance do you have a copy of that spread sheet? And if so, can
you make it available? That would be a great resource.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Any KOLBs in South Florida? |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
There are two of us flying two different Kolb MK-III's in Miami. It would be cool
to get get together of the Kolbs around here !!!
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Re: Here's what I have gathered; |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
The Kolb will stall VERY easily compared to most sport aircraft. The high thrust
line of the Kolb MK III assures that the Kolb will tend to pitch up as soon
as you pull the power off, the very high drag and low mass of the Kolb MK III
will assure that the Kolb will bleed its speed off almost instantly once you
pull off the power. Combine the two, a pitching up moment, and an almost instantaneous
loss of speed and you have something that is guaranteed to kill a pilot
that is not prepared for it, or one that has been flying other types of aircraft.
I do not consider this a problem at all, dealing with these characteristics
is second nature to me and I do not even have to think about it... But
I have no illusions about this either, this characteristic would be a HUGE surprise
and most likely kill a pilot that had been flying other tractor type aircraft.
We would be doing any new Kolb pilot a life saving favor to make him
very aware of these things before his first flight rather than being in denial
about it.
The Kolb has a very gentle stall, but if you are not experienced in a Kolb, it
will take you into that gentle stall very very quickly when the power is pulled
off. Having a gentle stall is not much of a consolation when you are 30 feet
over the runway, hitting the ground in a stall can kill you weather the stall
was gentle or not...
My MK III Xtra would be very difficult to fly with the Horizontal tail incidence
set so high on the tail boom. Mine MK III Xtra flys with the leading edge of
the horizontal stab set to the middle of the boom. My wings, boom etc, are
set exactly per the Kolb specs, to 1/10 of a degree according to my very accurate
digital level. If Scott had an out of trim condition, and was not experienced
in flying a Kolb, it is no surprise that his first flight ended the way
it did.
So there are two things to learn here. First have an experienced pilot fly any
new Kolb on its first flight, it may be very very difficult. Second, before
a new pilot flys a Kolb, he should have sufficient instruction, and should be
made WELL AWARE of how quickly he will run out of speed once the power is pulled
off. The Kolbs will fly well, and are a lot of fun, relaxing, and safe when
you know how to fly them, but they are NOT easy to fly, especially for pilots
of tractor type aircraft that will not be expecting the pitch up combined with
instant loss of airspeed when the power is reduced.
If we can get this information out, we can help avoid any repeats of this type
of accident in the future.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "gtaylor" <gtaylor35918(at)roadrunner.com> |
I'm not sure who Matt is, I am new to the list, a 250 hr pilot with IFR, but
I have only about 1.5 in my Kolb Firestar. I bought it already built, went
through it pretty thoroughly and then test flew it. I have seen all the
threads about Scott's accident and was worried that his wife could be
monitoring the list and see all the comments. This is something that she
doesn't need right now, what she needs is our condolences and our prayers.
As pilots we all know and I remember my ground school instructor telling us
that airspeed is your life, so the most important thing in flying is
managing that air speed.
I told myself what testing I was going to do on my initial flight, and
I wound up just flying around the patch several times and doing touch and
goes. I did no stalls, or any of the testing I was planning on doing. This
was about a month or two ago maybe longer, since then I have mowed a runway
off behind my house and tried to fly out of it. I only have about 400 ft of
good usable runway maybe five, and I learned the hard way how easy it is to
put the nose in the dirt, I aborted a take off because when I was ready to
leave the ground at a certain point on the runway the plane wasn't. I went
past the end of my runway because the breaks weren't strong enough and went
into some high weeds which along with full breaks caused me to put the nose
in the dirt. After repairing the nose cone and replacing the tube/hinge for
the rudder pedals I have decided that I need to go back to the airport,
maybe even fly from there to a local grass strip to do some more testing
before I play bush pilot out of my back yard. I don't consider myself to be
an elite pilot at 250 hrs nor will I at a thousand, It seems that I have
read before that we are all student pilots because there is always something
new to learn in aviation, Its when we think we know it all that we get
ourselves into trouble, that's why I talked to a lot of people with
experience with Kolb's and ultralights to learn as much as I can and I
believe it saved my life because I had never heard of aileron flutter
before, I saw it on a thread on this list and ask a local guy who is in the
know when comes to building ultralights and LSA, and sure enough on my first
go around the pattern I experienced it turning on final because I let my
airspeed get to high, I did what Mike said that he did when he experienced
it, and it came right out of it.
Thanks, Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "russ kinne" <russkinne(at)mac.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall
>
> Can you access the subject of VG's thru Matt or somehow? (Vortex
> Generators)
> There's been a lot of talk about them in the past
> Worth reading.
>
> On Sep 19, 2010, at 6:37 PM, gtaylor wrote:
>
>>
>> Not to ask a stupid question, I am familiar with CG, is VG a typo, or
>> something else.
>> Thanks, Greg
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack B. Hart"
>>
>> To:
>> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kolbers,
>>>
>>> A couple of comments. VG's will move the center of lift a little to
>>> the
>>> rear. Also different planes of the same model will stall differently
>>> due to
>>> differences in cg. Moving them to the rear will give a more gentle
>>> break
>>> and/or mush. Move them forward, and the stall will be more pronounced.
>>>
>>> Jack B. Hart FF004
>>> Winchester, IN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Matt is the list owner. However, there is no need to contact him to
make a search; the list website has a good search function and you'll
find all you ever wanted to know (and then some!) on the subject of
VG's.
-Dana
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"gtaylor" wrote:
(09/20/2010 01:57)
>
> I'm not sure who Matt is, I am new to the list
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Subject: | Re: airspeed indicator calibration |
From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
Richard Pike wrote:
>
> rrh(at)rrhoyt.com wrote:
> > Here is a paper on calibrating Air speed. For initial flights the other
> > comments on watching for the stall/takeoff are all you need.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
>
>
> Great paper. It had a url for a downloadable Excel spread sheet but the link
was broken. By any chance do you have a copy of that spread sheet? And if so,
can you make it available? That would be a great resource.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Richard et al:
See if this has what you are looking for..... seems they moved it around.
http://www.ntps.edu/information/downloads
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George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 09/18/10 |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
To Chris Norman - CEO of www.goflying.co
Interesting marketing strategy you have. You start up a website that has nothing
on it, send out emails to every pilot you can find on the internet inviting
them to join YOUR greatest flying website in the universe (with nothing much on
it yet) and then, have the gall to state the Matronics Lists, THE GO TO place
for info on lots and lots of aviation subjects and technical help.... has no
traffic or content???
I suspect your "year long development" won't amount to much but wish you luck with
it nonetheless. You are welcome to leave Matronics... no one is barring the
door.
Are you planning to announce your departure to ALL the Matronics Lists? That should
take you awhile.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 09/18/10 |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Thom, you should have used smaller words. His reding just isn't up to this
level.
Rick
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> To Chris Norman - CEO of www.goflying.co
>
> Interesting marketing strategy you have. You start up a website that has
> nothing on it, send out emails to every pilot you can find on the interne
t
> inviting them to join YOUR greatest flying website in the universe (with
> nothing much on it yet) and then, have the gall to state the Matronics
> Lists, THE GO TO place for info on lots and lots of aviation subjects and
> technical help.... has no traffic or content???
>
> I suspect your "year long development" won't amount to much but wish you
> luck with it nonetheless. You are welcome to leave Matronics... no one is
> barring the door.
>
> Are you planning to announce your departure to ALL the Matronics Lists?
> That should take you awhile.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
>
> =93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.=94
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313018#313018
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl
e
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
sure enough on my first
> go around the pattern I experienced it turning on final because I let my
> airspeed get to high, I did what Mike said that he did when he experienced
> it, and it came right out of it.
> Thanks, Greg
Greg/Gang:
Did you install aileron counterbalance weights to prevent aileron flutter
after you discovered it would flutter?
If you get into flutter once without aileron counterbalance weights, you
will probably get into it again without them.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, OR
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Subject: | 582 exhaust leak |
From: | "carlisle" <carlisle_99(at)yahoo.com> |
Got my new Bluehead in and it runs smooth as silk. Thanks Rotax Rick in Florida
for a beautiful engine.
When assembling the exhaust, I used anti-seize compound on the spring knuckle joints
which was probably a mistake. It all melts/blows away anyway and just makes
a big mess in the engine compartment. It did however, show me a little leak
where the exhaust man is attached to the first 90 deg fitting. While the
engine's running, I can feel a little jet of hot exhaust spitting back towards
the block.
Anyone know of a better way to seal these spring loaded joints?
Chris Carlisle
Model 2, 582 (now Bluehead)
Sioux Falls, SD
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Subject: | 582 exhaust leak |
From: | "carlisle" <carlisle_99(at)yahoo.com> |
Got my new Bluehead in and it runs smooth as silk. Thanks Rotax Rick in Florida
for a beautiful engine.
When assembling the exhaust, I used anti-seize compound on the spring knuckle joints
which was probably a mistake. It all melts/blows away anyway and just makes
a big mess in the engine compartment. It did however, show me a little leak
where the exhaust man is attached to the first 90 deg fitting. While the engine's
running, I can feel a little jet of hot exhaust spitting back towards the
block.
Anyone know of a better way to seal these spring loaded joints?
Chris Carlisle
Model 2, 582 (now Bluehead)
Sioux Falls, SD
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Subject: | Re: 582 exhaust leak |
From: | "carlisle" <carlisle_99(at)yahoo.com> |
Oops. Sorry. Wrong forum. Hi to all you Kolb flyers. See you on the Kitfox
list!
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Subject: | Re: 582 exhaust leak |
From: | "carlisle" <carlisle_99(at)yahoo.com> |
Oops. Sorry. Wrong forum. Hi to all you Kolb flyers. See you on the Kitfox list!
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: 582 exhaust leak |
> Anyone know of a better way to seal these spring loaded joints?
>
> Chris Carlisle
Chris C/Gang:
To the best of my knowledge, the antiseize compound is applied for just
that, to prevent seizing.
My experience indicated the ball joints should be good enough fit to prevent
leaking. I think it is normal for antiseize compound to be lost from the
joints from exhaust gas heat.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, OR
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From: | Ron Hoyt <rrh(at)rrhoyt.com> |
Subject: | Re: airspeed indicator calibration |
I think this is the spread sheet for the airspeed calculator.
Ron
On 9/19/2010 8:39 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike"
>
>
> rrh(at)rrhoyt.com wrote:
>> Here is a paper on calibrating Air speed. For initial flights the other
>> comments on watching for the stall/takeoff are all you need.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>
>
> Great paper. It had a url for a downloadable Excel spread sheet but the link
was broken. By any chance do you have a copy of that spread sheet? And if so,
can you make it available? That would be a great resource.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312985#312985
>
>
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From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Subject: | rock house visit |
got back from the rock house and wanted to share some photos.
Arrived on Monday
picture is on the inside of the rock house,,,, the outside rocks looks
the same but for the furnishings.
Tues Larry and I flew to the Alvord
and saw wild horses on the way back
also on Tues we went rabbit hunting with the falcons.
on Wed, I followed Larry to some of his favorite spots
We landed at the Owyhee reservoir state airport
on the way home we flew low,, well low for me,,, nosebleed altitude
for Larry, over the Owyhee river
on Thus we went rabbit hunting again then fishing in the Owyhee river.
Fri, I flew home.
this was the best vacation I had had for some time.
thanks Larry and Karen
Boyd mkIII
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From: | "gtaylor" <gtaylor35918(at)roadrunner.com> |
I haven't istalled counter balances as of yet, but after that first time I
did several more take off and landings and had no trouble. The big thing was
letting the air speed get to high, after that first trip around the patch I
watched the airspeed closer and had no further problems.
Thanks, Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall
>
>
> sure enough on my first
>> go around the pattern I experienced it turning on final because I let my
>> airspeed get to high, I did what Mike said that he did when he
>> experienced it, and it came right out of it.
>> Thanks, Greg
>
>
> Greg/Gang:
>
> Did you install aileron counterbalance weights to prevent aileron flutter
> after you discovered it would flutter?
>
> If you get into flutter once without aileron counterbalance weights, you
> will probably get into it again without them.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Rock House, OR
>
>
>
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From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi,
Does anyone know what has happened to Big Lar these days?
I last met him in Santa Fe a couple of weeks after the Annual
Disorganised Fly In a few years ago when he took Wendy and I around the
local beauty spots.
I know he was on the road with his big truck and the last I heard he had
joined up with some quad bike gang and was getting himself into all
sorts of unlikely and almost inaccessible places. Taking superb photo`s
of eveything in sight.
Pat
Pat
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From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
He's still around and kickin'... Lives in Silver City, NM, now. Still
does this quad adventures.
-- Robert
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
> Hi,
> Does anyone know what has happened to Big Lar these days?
>
> I last met him in Santa Fe a couple of weeks after the Annual Disorganised
> Fly In a few years ago when he took Wendy and I around the local beauty
> spots.
>
> I know he was on the road with his big truck and the last I heard he had
> joined up with some quad bike gang and was getting himself into all sorts of
> unlikely and almost inaccessible places. Taking superb photo`s of eveything
> in sight.
>
> Pat
> Pat
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
I put off installing them too, until one day I encountered heavy turbulence which
will give you radically variable airspeeds.
40 one second, 80 the next. I definitely had flutter, enough to loosen a hinge
pin pretty good.
Those balancers went on right after.
BB
On 21, Sep 2010, at 1:01 AM, gtaylor wrote:
>
> I haven't istalled counter balances as of yet, but after that first time I did
several more take off and landings and had no trouble. The big thing was letting
the air speed get to high, after that first trip around the patch I watched
the airspeed closer and had no further problems.
> Thanks, Greg
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall
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>> sure enough on my first
>>> go around the pattern I experienced it turning on final because I let my airspeed
get to high, I did what Mike said that he did when he experienced it, and
it came right out of it.
>>> Thanks, Greg
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>>
>> Greg/Gang:
>>
>> Did you install aileron counterbalance weights to prevent aileron flutter after
you discovered it would flutter?
>>
>> If you get into flutter once without aileron counterbalance weights, you will
probably get into it again without them.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Rock House, OR
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From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Greg/list.
You should take the flutter seriously.It can destroy structure quickly and
take you with it.Fix it now.Just one comment on first flights, in a new
airplane or even one that's just new to you.It's like a test drive in a
car.Take some time with it. If it feels stable and controllable stay in
it for an hour.Get the feel of it at different speeds,the low end for sur
e.If your not comfortable stalling,don't,but you have to know what it feel
s like slow,and you can do that away from the ground, safely.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: gtaylor <gtaylor35918(at)roadrunner.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 1:01 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall
I haven't istalled counter balances as of yet, but after that first time
I did several more take off and landings and had no trouble. The big thin
g was letting the air speed get to high, after that first trip around the
patch I watched the airspeed closer and had no further problems.
Thanks, Greg
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: kolb stall
>
>
> sure enough on my first
>> go around the pattern I experienced it turning on final because I let
my >> airspeed get to high, I did what Mike said that he did when he >>
experienced it, and it came right out of it.
>> Thanks, Greg
>
>
> Greg/Gang:
>
> Did you install aileron counterbalance weights to prevent aileron flutte
r > after you discovered it would flutter?
>
> If you get into flutter once without aileron counterbalance weights, you
> will probably get into it again without them.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Rock House, OR
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From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
PLEASE install those aileron counter-balance weights NOW, before further flight.
I will consider it a personal favor to me. Flutter can happen in the blink
of an eye and in another blink can tear the ailerons off the airplane. It takes
a trigger to start flutter. If the trigger occurs at higher airspeed, next
time you may not have warning nor time to slow down before the ailerons depart.
AOPA has a great video and story on the subject here:
http://flash.aopa.org/asf/pilotstories/mayday/MaydayatMountMcKinley/
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Jerry King
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
>> If you get into flutter once without aileron counterbalance weights, you
>> will probably get into it again without them.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Rock House, OR
Greg T/Gang:
Reread my the note above. It has been proven true many times.
john h
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From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Thanks for the info on Lar everyone. i will follow up as soon as my
confuser stops sulking and allows me to follow up links. It suddenly
decided in the middle of the morning that it didn`t want to `do` links
any more.
I have tried everything including switching off and on again (which
cures 99% of all known computer ills) to no avail.
Heigh Ho
Pat
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From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Greg, Let me add my voice to those advising you to get the aileron
counterbalance kit from Kolb and install it before doing any further
flying.
I, too, am the voice of experience on the subject. I encountered it on my
first flight in my Kolb Mk IIIC as a lazy wagging of the ailerons at low
cruise speed. It seemed controlable with the stick and I let it go. Two days
later I did a higher speed pass down the runway for a video and the lazy
wagging became a violent buzz. I pulled up, landed, and called Travis. Once
the counter weights were on I verified that the aircraft can be flown up to
redline airspeed without the onset of flutter.
DO NOT put this off. Ground your airplane, get the counter weights and
install before further flight. PLEASE. It really is a matter of life and
death.
While you are at it, check all hinges, rod end bearings, bell cranks, holes
and bolts in the aileron control circuit. If it happened to you, it most
likely happened to the previous owner, too. If any of these parts show
slack, wear, or movement in ways that are not intended repair / replace as
required. Parts are cheap, funerals aren't.
Looking forward to years of Kolb flying stories from you.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
I haven't istalled counter balances as of yet, but after that first time
I
did several more take off and landings and had no trouble. The big thing
was
letting the air speed get to high, after that first trip around the
patch I
watched the airspeed closer and had no further problems.
Thanks, Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
this is all good till you end up going somewhere and get in some weather
/ wind conditions that take you by supprise..... a few years back i
had just come over a set of mountains,,,, got cought up in some type of
rotor, the asi jumped from 40 to 90 mph back and forth in about 1/4
to 1/2 second intervals, that would not be a good time to be wishing
you had counter balances.
boyd young mkIII
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From: | Fredrick Kerfoot <fredkt46(at)hotmail.com> |
Pat=2C Big Lar's home page-----
http://biglar.homestead.com/larry.html
fredK
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From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Pat
Have you tried UNPLUGGING everything for a couple minutes, not just
shutting things off? Sometimes this worx
Russ
On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
> Thanks for the info on Lar everyone. i will follow up as soon as
> my confuser stops sulking and allows me to follow up links. It
> suddenly decided in the middle of the morning that it didn`t want
> to `do` links any more.
> I have tried everything including switching off and on again (which
> cures 99% of all known computer ills) to no avail.
>
> Heigh Ho
>
> Pat
>
>
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Subject: | 3 transponder wires |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Finishing up the wiring, hooking up the transponder, and I have to confess that
whoever took the transponder out of the wreck (probably me) failed to note down
enough information about how to hook it back up.
Coming off the tray is a wire that is obviously the ground, no problem. Another
16 gauge wire is obviously the power supply, once again no problem. But there
is one wire left over, it is about 20 gauge, and I have no idea if it goes to
hot or ground. Probably hot, but...
The transponder is an RT359A 300, probably out of a Cessna.
Will go around to the local avionics shops tomorrow and ask dumb questions unless
someone on here already has an answer.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: 3 transponder wires |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Richard, Don't you have to have an input from the sensitive altimeter (the
sealed box type, not the Kohlsman type)?
Rick Girard
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Finishing up the wiring, hooking up the transponder, and I have to confess
> that whoever took the transponder out of the wreck (probably me) failed to
> note down enough information about how to hook it back up.
> Coming off the tray is a wire that is obviously the ground, no problem.
> Another 16 gauge wire is obviously the power supply, once again no problem.
> But there is one wire left over, it is about 20 gauge, and I have no idea if
> it goes to hot or ground. Probably hot, but...
> The transponder is an RT359A 300, probably out of a Cessna.
>
> Will go around to the local avionics shops tomorrow and ask dumb questions
> unless someone on here already has an answer.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313323#313323
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--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Subject: | Re: 3 transponder wires |
Coming off the tray is a wire that is obviously the ground, no problem.
Another 16 gauge wire is obviously the power supply, once again no
problem. But there is one wire left over, it is about 20 gauge, and I
have no idea if it goes to hot or ground.Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
three wires..
power
ground
back light???????
boyd young
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Subject: | Re: 3 transponder wires |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Back light is possible. I just don't want to apply power to it and have any of
the smoke leak out. I don't think Lucas was involved in this unit, and I don't
want him getting involved.
And this airplane doesn't have a sensitive altimeter, it just uses the one in the
Grand Rapids E I S.
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From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: 3 transponder wires |
Richard,
Could it be an antenna wire?
Gene
On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:38 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Finishing up the wiring, hooking up the transponder, and I have to
> confess that whoever took the transponder out of the wreck (probably
> me) failed to note down enough information about how to hook it back
> up.
> Coming off the tray is a wire that is obviously the ground, no
> problem. Another 16 gauge wire is obviously the power supply, once
> again no problem. But there is one wire left over, it is about 20
> gauge, and I have no idea if it goes to hot or ground. Probably hot,
> but...
> The transponder is an RT359A 300, probably out of a Cessna.
>
> Will go around to the local avionics shops tomorrow and ask dumb
> questions unless someone on here already has an answer.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313323#313323
>
>
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From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
Subject: | Kolb Mark III for sale |
I have a Kolb Mark III for sale it is a 1999 with 130 hours on the airframe
and I think the engine has fifty more hours on it. Contact me off list at
stevesimmond(at)charter.net for details and photos. Located in East Tennessee
Thanks Steve Simmons
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark III for sale |
From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
You do know it is FREE to advertise on here and post all the details and lots and
lots of pictures?
:D
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
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From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
Subject: | Re: Kolb Mark III for sale |
Thanks I will make the photos tomorrow and post them
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of olendorf
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Mark III for sale
You do know it is FREE to advertise on here and post all the details and
lots and lots of pictures?
:D
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
For those who might be wondering at John's progress, he is on a strict
therapy program which consist of bicycle exercise, swimming, and
especially hot tub. Roger Hankins decided to join him in part of it.
Larry
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
This is a long ways from flying my Kolb again.
Hope to be able to fly when I return home in Dec.
I'm making good progress in the high desert of SE Oregon, but not as
quickly as I would like to.
john h
mkIII
For those who might be wondering at John's progress, he is on a strict
therapy program Larry
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Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Since I couldn't see the original from Greg, this is sort of a shot in the dark,
but if there is flutter - fix it.
I have an adjustable aileron trim tab on the right wing, at at 88 mph indicated,
the right wingtip would disappear into a blur. Knowing that was not good, I
got the aileron counterbalance kit from Kolb and the blur went away permanently.
Peace of mind increased exponentially.
Then there was the matter of the rudder flutter, take your feet off the rudder
pedals and they would start to shuffle and the tail would start to wig-wag. Got
Vince to follow me to see what it looked like in flight, and his immediate comment
over the radio "Don't know what you are doing, but you better make it quit
- your boom tube looks like a sine wave."
Short version - flutter or control surface misbehavior for any reason is totally
unacceptable: fix it. Unless your next-of-kin is really into slow cars and
sad music...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | "Beauford " <beauford173(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
Brother Pike:
The Kolb rudder oscillation- tail wag phenomenon has been mentioned on the
list several times in the past... True to form, take my tootsies off the
pedals for five seconds or so, and the Kleenex Machine will invariably
launch into an increasing amplitude snake dance.
Since Beauford is not into self abuse (beyond matrimony) and I have a strong
recollection of how few lil' ol pop-rivets are holding the arse end of the
thing in association with the front end, I never let it go more than three
or four seconds before putting the feet back on the pedals to stop it before
it gets really wild.
In my aerodynamic ignorance, have always assumed this to be some combination
of rudder mass balance issue and interaction with the propwash vortex.
Since it is easily arrested and Kolbs have no history of shedding tails or
boom failure, have never been overly concerned about it...but am curious as
to whether any of the learned brethren on the List know exactly why this
happens to Kolbs and what practical fix might solve it without a redesign of
the vertical tail surfaces...
Anybody?
Or from another angle... Does anyone have a Kolb that does NOT exhibit this
behavior...?
Curious Beauford
FF-076, N173BW
Brandon, FL
Then there was the matter of the rudder flutter, take your feet off the
rudder pedals and they would start to shuffle and the tail would start to
wig-wag..
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Aileron flutter and tail-wag |
My FSII kit came with the aileron counter weights, so I have never
experienced that flutter problem. I don`t fly with my feet completely
off the rudder peddles, but I do fly with very little pressure on
them. I have never felt them start to flutter. I fly around 60 mph
according to the GPS. Perhaps that isn`t fast enough to induce
flutter. Flutterless is good, so I`ll leave everything as it is. Lanny N598LF
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
> In my aerodynamic ignorance, have always assumed this to be some
combination
> of rudder mass balance issue and interaction with the propwash vortex.
>what practical fix might solve it without a redesign of
> the vertical tail surfaces...
> Or from another angle... Does anyone have a Kolb that does NOT exhibit
> this
> behavior...?
>
> Curious Beauford
Beauford/Gang:
That is also my assumption.
My initial fix was heavy feet.
I finally came up with a bright idea, double rudder pedal springs applied
about the same pressure as heavy feet. Works great, can fly with feet on
the deck and no tail wag.
I have flown a couple Kolbs that did not tail wag, however, I think it is a
Kolb characteristic that no one, that I know of, has died of.
Anybody know of a Kolb that crashed because of tail wag???
john h
mkIII
7 miles south of Burns Junction, OR
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Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Beauford,
My MK-3 will do the wag in it's normal configuration,but adding a second
set of springs to the rudder cables has all but eliminated it.Brother Pik
e is the only Kolbster, ( that I know of), that has treated his aircraft
with a counter balance and solved the issue.But he now has to deal with
birds perching on the balance rod and crapping on the boom tube.A small
price to pay for aerodynamic bliss.
G.Aman Mk-3 C Jabiru 2200A 590 hrs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Beauford <beauford173(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Fri, Sep 24, 2010 4:29 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag
Brother Pike:
The Kolb rudder oscillation- tail wag phenomenon has been mentioned on the
list several times in the past... True to form, take my tootsies off the
pedals for five seconds or so, and the Kleenex Machine will invariably
launch into an increasing amplitude snake dance.
Since Beauford is not into self abuse (beyond matrimony) and I have a stro
ng
recollection of how few lil' ol pop-rivets are holding the arse end of the
thing in association with the front end, I never let it go more than thre
e
or four seconds before putting the feet back on the pedals to stop it befo
re
it gets really wild.
In my aerodynamic ignorance, have always assumed this to be some combinati
on
of rudder mass balance issue and interaction with the propwash vortex.
Since it is easily arrested and Kolbs have no history of shedding tails or
boom failure, have never been overly concerned about it...but am curious
as
to whether any of the learned brethren on the List know exactly why this
happens to Kolbs and what practical fix might solve it without a redesign
of
the vertical tail surfaces...
Anybody?
Or from another angle... Does anyone have a Kolb that does NOT exhibit thi
s
behavior...?
Curious Beauford
FF-076, N173BW
Brandon, FL
Then there was the matter of the rudder flutter, take your feet off the
rudder pedals and they would start to shuffle and the tail would start to
wig-wag..
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
From: | "Ralph B" <ul15(at)juno.com> |
My Firestar will do the tail wag with the feet off the rudder pedals only if hit
by a strong thermal. Otherwise there is none. I can make it quit by bringing
it up into a stall. The Kolbra does not have this problem.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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From: | "Ralph B" <ul15(at)juno.com> |
> That "nasty" Kolb stall is due to wing loading. My Firestar has a gentle stall
with 148 sq feet of wing. Take that same wing and double the wing loading like
the Kolbra, and it can be a killer if you're not careful. When I was transitioning
to the Kolbra, I would ask Mark why it wanted to drop as we were landing.
I told him that my Firestar didn't do that. He couldn't give me an answer
because that was the only Kolb he has flown. To keep from dropping the wing,
I stay well away from stall. It scares me to slow it up on landing, and for good
reason. On the other hand, if I do a power on stall at altitude, it refuses
to drop because of the VG's.
>
> Ralph
I made a discovery since this last post. I have always landed the Kolbra solo without
using the flaperons because this was the way Mark recommended it and I've
always landed it hot, so it wouldn't drop. It's been awhile since I had the
chance to fly solo, so this past Wednesday I decided to put the flaperons down
on landing. I purposely slowed it up to see if it would drop. Would you believe
it landed pretty much like the Firestar where the tailwheel hit first and
the mains came down ever so softly? I was surprised and happy to see this. One
would think that I would have experimented with this a long time ago, but I'm
a person of habit and if I'm trained to do it one way, I keep doing it that way.
Now, I also have to say the flaperons on the Kolbra don't go down too far,
but enough to change the center of lift on the wing and eliminate the drop while
flaring.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Re: ... Does anyone have a Kolb that does NOT exhibit this
behavior...?
Strangely enough, my Slingshot does not wag its tail without feet on rudder pedals,
at least at my normal 65% power cruise of 80mph. Never tried lifting the
feet at higher speeds nor lower speeds. I have only a single spring on each rudder
pedal. BTW, my ailerons do have the counterbalances and I have never experienced
flutter at any speed up to 100 mph, which is as fast as I've flown it.
Not directly related but may be of interest to some:
Funny thing happened since I straightened my gear legs after a bending incident
early this summer. Before I unbent my gear legs, the SS would not hold a course
for more than a few seconds with my feet off the pedals. After the unbending,
in calm air my SS will track straight and true in calm air for quite a while
with my feet off the pedals. I'm guessing my unbending job left them a little
different aerodynamically than before they were bent. Can't complain about this
unintended consequence.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
re: I have always landed the Kolbra solo without using the flaperons
Ralph,
Does your Kolbra have in-flight adjustable elevator trim? Does it exhibit much
pitch change when adding flaperons or slowing down from normal cruise speed to
final approach speed?
I'm asking out of curiosity. What I've noticed in my SS is that when I slow down
from my normal cruise speed all trimmed out for cruise, to final approach speed,
the nose up pitch increases so I have to push the stick forward or add nose
down elevator trim to compensate. I've discovered that by adding full flaperons
at final approach speed, the nose-down pitch response from the flaperons
is just right so that changes in elevator trim from normal cruise setting is not
required to relive the small amount of stick pressure.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
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ith my feet off the =0Aruder -sometimes with them ( my feet)=0Ahanging over
the side, no cover on the cage. I really can't tell any difference =0A--fe
et on or feet off-except =0A=0AI'll drift off heading after a min or so .
-=0A=0A=0A=0AFrank Goodnight=0AFirestar 2 HKS=0ABrownsville , TX=0A--> Ko
lb-List message posted by: "Beauford " =0A=0ABroth
er Pike:=0A=0AThe Kolb rudder oscillation- tail wag phenomenon has been men
tioned on the=0Alist several times in the past... True to form, take my too
tsies off the=0Apedals for five seconds or so, and the Kleenex Machine will
invariably=0Alaunch into an increasing amplitude snake dance.- =0A=0ASin
ce Beauford is not into self abuse (beyond matrimony) and I have a strong
=0Arecollection of how few lil' ol pop-rivets are holding the arse end of t
he=0Athing in association with the front end,- I never let it go more tha
n three=0Aor four seconds before putting the feet back on the pedals to sto
p it before=0Ait gets really wild.=0A=0AIn my aerodynamic ignorance, have a
lways assumed this to be some combination=0Aof rudder mass balance issue an
d interaction with the propwash vortex.=0ASince it is easily arrested and K
olbs have no history of shedding tails or=0Aboom failure, have never been o
verly concerned about it...but am curious as=0Ato whether any of the learne
d brethren on the List know exactly why this=0Ahappens to Kolbs and what pr
actical fix might solve it without a redesign of=0Athe vertical tail surfac
es...=0A=0AAnybody?- =0A=0AOr from another angle... Does anyone have a Ko
lb that does NOT exhibit this=0Abehavior...?=0A=0ACurious Beauford=0AFF-076
=0A=0A=0AThen there was the matter of the rudder flu
tter, take your feet off the=0Arudder pedals and they would start to shuffl
e and the tail would start to=0Awig-wag..=0A=0ARichard Pike=0AMKIII N420P (
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=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom: Beauford <beauford173@ver
izon.net>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, September 24, 2010 3:2
9:25 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag=0A
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From: | "Ralph B" <ul15(at)juno.com> |
Thom Riddle
> Ralph,
>
> Does your Kolbra have in-flight adjustable elevator trim? Does it exhibit much
pitch change when adding flaperons or slowing down from normal cruise speed
to final approach speed?
>
> I'm asking out of curiosity. What I've noticed in my SS is that when I slow down
from my normal cruise speed all trimmed out for cruise, to final approach
speed, the nose up pitch increases so I have to push the stick forward or add
nose down elevator trim to compensate. I've discovered that by adding full flaperons
at final approach speed, the nose-down pitch response from the flaperons
is just right so that changes in elevator trim from normal cruise setting is
not required to relive the small amount of stick pressure.
Thom,
My Kolbra has an inflight adjustable elevator trim. It consists of a motorized
bungee cord on the stick that tightens when the motor is energized with a toggle
switch. It's crude and simple, but works. I only use it for solo and passenger
flight. I engage the toggle one way for solo and the other way if I carry
a passenger. This takes care of the fine elevator adjustment. The course adjustment
is a ground adjustable trim on the elevator that Mark put in. When I fly
solo, I toggle the switch for nose down and will have to hold a little forward
pressure on the stick, but on landing it seems to be perfect. When carrying
a passenger, I toggle the switch for nose up and don't seem to have any other
pitch adjustments in flight or on landing.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
Darren/Gang:
Be aware there are other triggers for flutter than high air speeds.
Certain turbulence will set it off at much lower airspeeds in a flash.
john h
mkIII
I have never had any flutter on any surfaces on my FS1 even at VNE.
Darren, FS1, 40hp Hirth, Central MI.
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From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
The FSII is slowly closing in on getting finished but I have noticed something
I really don't like. There is oil dripping out of the hole in the crankcase below
the mag, and the little bottle of oil that is part of the lubrication system
for the water pump and the rotary valve is slowly losing oil. Will be pressure
testing the crankcase soon, but I am thinking busted crank. Maybe in 2 places
- in the center section - which would account for the leak out of the center
section - and also behind the mag, which would mess up that seal as well and
allow the oil to drip out from behind the mag.
Anybody got any more optimistic opinions?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
> Here's the bird poop perch - what's odd is that I don't get much bird poo
p below it=2C but the left side of the horizontal stab constantly gets litt
ered with some sort of little black droppings. > Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Bro. Richard=2C
If you don't want any flying creatures landing on your rudder counterbala
nce arm=2C you
might consider building a little contraption I saw once.
If you make a little device that suspends a couple of loose strings above
the length of the
balance arm=2C birds can't quite land on it=2C so they pass it up. Either
loose wire or string
will do=2C maybe one or two strands is all you need.
With a floppy string in the way=2C it interferes with the bird being able
to get a grip on the
counterbalance arm. Keep the string sort of close=2C maybe about 1/4 to 1/
2" and the birds
can't wrap their feet around the string and the arm.
You could probably throw something together in about 10 minutes. You mig
ht consider
a clothes pins or weak finger clamps. (see attached drawing for an idea of
what
I'm getting at)
Just a thought...
Mike Welch
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From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
Hi Kolb friends
I just posted a short video showing starting, takeoff, and landing my Kolb MKII.
There does not seem to be a lot of MKII info out there but this is a great little
airplane. Short field performance is super, even sneaking in over the tall
corn!
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkNU2UcADw
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Busted crank? |
Richard,
The most likely cause of that problem is worn rotary valve shaft
seals. The weep hole will seep either coolant, or rotary oil,
depending on which seals on that shaft leak.
It is very unlikely that the weep hole leak is a crank problem.
I have a slight oil leak in mine also and add a slight bit of oil to
the reservoir once or twice a flying season. But a tiny bit of oil
can make an big ugly mess on the side of the engine so I put a small
WD40 straw in the weep hole and sealed it in with RTV and then run a
small primer line from there down and out the bottom of the cage
where is simply drips a drop or two on the floor when it sits in the
hanger. Mine seems to leak mostly while is is parked rather than when
the engine is running.
Check out a parts breakdown diagram to visualize the rotary valve
seals and the water pump seal.
Gene Z
On Sep 25, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> The FSII is slowly closing in on getting finished but I have noticed
> something I really don't like. There is oil dripping out of the hole
> in the crankcase below the mag, and the little bottle of oil that is
> part of the lubrication system for the water pump and the rotary
> valve is slowly losing oil. Will be pressure testing the crankcase
> soon, but I am thinking busted crank. Maybe in 2 places - in the
> center section - which would account for the leak out of the center
> section - and also behind the mag, which would mess up that seal as
> well and allow the oil to drip out from behind the mag.
>
> Anybody got any more optimistic opinions?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313706#313706
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Busted crank? |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
The oil is not coming out of the weep hole, it is coming out around the seal behind
the magneto. Lots of it. More than ought to be in that portion of the engine,
and meanwhile, the little plastic bottle reservoir for the center section
has gone down about a third.
Maybe just coincidence, maybe the little bottle is lower because the engine has
sat leaned over for 18 months, and maybe the oil seeped into the engine through
the banjo bolt/check valves from the oil injection tank, maybe... ?
Will be pressure testing the cases Monday, will know more then. Expecting the seal
behind the mag to fail, will be looking for other indicators.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313738#313738
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Edward Bonsell <ebonsell(at)earthlink.net> |
Subject: | Re: ... Does anyone have a Kolb that does NOT exhibit this |
behavior...?
Hi All,
My original Firestar is still in the basement unfortunately but from
1987 to 2000 I never had an aileron flutter or tail wag that I know
of. I'm sure I have had it over 80 mph a time or two. I must say
though my ailerons are turned down a turn or two at the rod bearings
and my rudder is not in the standard configuration. The top is flat
and the length is slightly longer.
Ed Bonsell
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
I had a nice flight in the MKII today and visited 4 airports that I had not previously
been to. I left Ridge Soaring (79N), went to Blue Knob (7G4), then Ebensburg
(9G8), then Indiana County (IDI), and Punxsatawney (N35) before returning
to Ridge Soaring. I had almost 4 gallons of fuel left when I was done, started
with 15. The only problem that I had was trying to leave the airports because
everyone wanted to talk about the Kolb. There is an early MKII with a 503
at Punxy that needs wings (damaged). Owner said he will sell cheap, but I didn't
get a price. Below is a link to my Spot page that shows the trip. Next weekend
is our fly-in, camp-in weekend at Centre Airpark (N16). Come join us!
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0YjozN35Br59mkzpy8oWkRXvejYELAtAp
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Inexpensive radio installation |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
I fly to enough fly ins to make having a radio a nice convenience, so over
the summer I've been putting together an inexpensive system for Zulu Delta.
I looked at all the handhelds available and the cost of accessories. I
looked at Sporty's JP 200, the Icom A6 and the Vertex 220. At $170 the
Vertex won hands down. That it came with a headphone adapter (for which Icom
charges $80) was icing on the cake.
At first I tried using the VOX feature of the radio but the lowest
sensitivity setting wasn't enough to resist the noise put out by the 582. I
found a generic push to talk switch at Mypilot.com for less than $15.
I looked around for antenna ideas and found a chassis fitting (pn 278-201,
$3.69) at Radio Shack that looked like it had possibilities. I also bought
an adapter to use a BNC cable (pn 278-121, $4.99) and a 6' BNC cable (pn
278-964, $7.49) The chassis fitting was meant to put an antenna cable
fitting on the back of radio but I turned it around and soldered a piece of
1/16" brazing rod into the wire socket. It probably wouldn't hold up for
long by itself so I turned an aluminum cover and a teflon insulator to give
the rod some extra support (see photo). The antenna needed a ground plane
but there was no room for one where I wanted to mount the antenna so I used
the aluminum frame for my nose hatch. Not perfect but it works just fine.
The last thing I did was trim the brazing rod at 22" for the middle of the
aviation band (+/-).
And speaking of working. My first flight with the radio installed I picked
up the ATIS at Mid Continent at 300' from Cherokee Strip (26 miles). At
1000' I called the tower for a radio check. The controller reported a little
noise otherwise I was clear. This last Friday night I tuned the radio to
122.8 for another check. At 1000' I could pick up aircraft in the pattern at
McPherson 75 miles away. I listened to them while turning my aircraft to
check reception from all aspects and could not hear any degradation even
when the signal was coming from the rear.
So for less than $300, including headphones, I have radio communications in
my Kolb.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Inexpensive radio installation |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Excellent. Do you have any pictures of the radio installed in the cabin?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313830#313830
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Inexpensive radio installation |
That it came with a headphone adapter (for which Icom charges $80) was
icing on the cake.
Rick Girard
Rick G/Gang:
For info only.
Icom A6 includes headset/push to talk adapter, no extra charge.
john h
mkIII
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Inexpensive radio installation |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
No, I just run with it strapped to my left leg.
Rick
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Excellent. Do you have any pictures of the radio installed in the cabin?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313830#313830
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Inexpensive radio installation |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
For an average of $100 more for the A-6 I would hope so. The comparable Icom
is the A-14 and it doesn't include a headset adapter and still on average
$20 more.
Rick
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:27 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> That it came with a headphone adapter (for which Icom charges $80) was
> icing on the cake.
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
> Rick G/Gang:
>
> For info only.
>
> Icom A6 includes headset/push to talk adapter, no extra charge.
> john h
> mkIII
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 09/26/10 |
From: | David Watkins <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, Malcolm,
I'm thinking about getting a spot gps communicator.
There are some poor reviews out there, c/o difficult to use web site, manual, and
customer svc.
What's your experience?
Dave
Sent from a little tiny handheld device.
On Sep 27, 2010, at 2:57 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server
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> 1. 05:25 AM - Re: ... Does anyone have a Kolb that does NOT exhibit this
behavior...? (Edward Bonsell)
> 2. 03:13 PM - Fun Flight (gliderx5(at)comcast.net)
> 3. 06:36 PM - Inexpensive radio installation (Richard Girard)
> 4. 06:58 PM - Re: Inexpensive radio installation (Richard Pike)
> 5. 08:30 PM - Re: Inexpensive radio installation (John Hauck)
> 6. 10:10 PM - Re: Re: Inexpensive radio installation (Richard Girard)
> 7. 10:45 PM - Re: Inexpensive radio installation (Richard Girard)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Edward Bonsell <ebonsell(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ... Does anyone have a Kolb that does NOT exhibit this
> behavior...?
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> My original Firestar is still in the basement unfortunately but from
> 1987 to 2000 I never had an aileron flutter or tail wag that I know
> of. I'm sure I have had it over 80 mph a time or two. I must say
> though my ailerons are turned down a turn or two at the rod bearings
> and my rudder is not in the standard configuration. The top is flat
> and the length is slightly longer.
>
> Ed Bonsell
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
> Subject: Kolb-List: Fun Flight
>
> I had a nice flight in the MKII today and visited 4 airports that I had not previously
> been to. I left Ridge Soaring (79N), went to Blue Knob (7G4), then Ebensburg
> (9G8), then Indiana County (IDI), and Punxsatawney (N35) before returning
> to Ridge Soaring. I had almost 4 gallons of fuel left when I was done, started
> with 15. The only problem that I had was trying to leave the airports because
> everyone wanted to talk about the Kolb. There is an early MKII with a 503
> at Punxy that needs wings (damaged). Owner said he will sell cheap, but I didn't
> get a price. Below is a link to my Spot page that shows the trip. Next weekend
> is our fly-in, camp-in weekend at Centre Airpark (N16). Come join us!
>
> http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0YjozN35Br59mkzpy8oWkRXvejYELAtAp
>
> Malcolm Morrison
> http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Inexpensive radio installation
> From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
>
> I fly to enough fly ins to make having a radio a nice convenience, so over
> the summer I've been putting together an inexpensive system for Zulu Delta.
> I looked at all the handhelds available and the cost of accessories. I
> looked at Sporty's JP 200, the Icom A6 and the Vertex 220. At $170 the
> Vertex won hands down. That it came with a headphone adapter (for which Icom
> charges $80) was icing on the cake.
> At first I tried using the VOX feature of the radio but the lowest
> sensitivity setting wasn't enough to resist the noise put out by the 582. I
> found a generic push to talk switch at Mypilot.com for less than $15.
> I looked around for antenna ideas and found a chassis fitting (pn 278-201,
> $3.69) at Radio Shack that looked like it had possibilities. I also bought
> an adapter to use a BNC cable (pn 278-121, $4.99) and a 6' BNC cable (pn
> 278-964, $7.49) The chassis fitting was meant to put an antenna cable
> fitting on the back of radio but I turned it around and soldered a piece of
> 1/16" brazing rod into the wire socket. It probably wouldn't hold up for
> long by itself so I turned an aluminum cover and a teflon insulator to give
> the rod some extra support (see photo). The antenna needed a ground plane
> but there was no room for one where I wanted to mount the antenna so I used
> the aluminum frame for my nose hatch. Not perfect but it works just fine.
> The last thing I did was trim the brazing rod at 22" for the middle of the
> aviation band (+/-).
> And speaking of working. My first flight with the radio installed I picked
> up the ATIS at Mid Continent at 300' from Cherokee Strip (26 miles). At
> 1000' I called the tower for a radio check. The controller reported a little
> noise otherwise I was clear. This last Friday night I tuned the radio to
> 122.8 for another check. At 1000' I could pick up aircraft in the pattern at
> McPherson 75 miles away. I listened to them while turning my aircraft to
> check reception from all aspects and could not hear any degradation even
> when the signal was coming from the rear.
> So for less than $300, including headphones, I have radio communications in
> my Kolb.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Kolb Mk IIIC
> 582 Gray head
> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
> to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Inexpensive radio installation
> From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
>
>
> Excellent. Do you have any pictures of the radio installed in the cabin?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Inexpensive radio installation
>
> That it came with a headphone adapter (for which Icom charges $80) was
> icing on the cake.
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
> Rick G/Gang:
>
> For info only.
>
> Icom A6 includes headset/push to talk adapter, no extra charge.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Inexpensive radio installation
> From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
>
> No, I just run with it strapped to my left leg.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
>>
>> Excellent. Do you have any pictures of the radio installed in the cabin?
>>
>> Richard Pike
>> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313830#313830
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Kolb Mk IIIC
> 582 Gray head
> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
> to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Inexpensive radio installation
> From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
>
> For an average of $100 more for the A-6 I would hope so. The comparable Icom
> is the A-14 and it doesn't include a headset adapter and still on average
> $20 more.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:27 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>> That it came with a headphone adapter (for which Icom charges $80) was
>> icing on the cake.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>>
>> Rick G/Gang:
>>
>> For info only.
>>
>> Icom A6 includes headset/push to talk adapter, no extra charge.
>> john h
>> mkIII
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Kolb Mk IIIC
> 582 Gray head
> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
> to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
Havent said much on the list of late. Been lurking. Firstly; my sling shot
w/912ul does not have any tail wag at all. I can and do just sit back with
my feet off or slightly on the peddles. When the wind hits me wrong, I can
feel the rudder react but not wag. I dont use my rudder much in the air.
Secondly; I installed the double X-hinge system to the rudder when I built
it. Tricky but glad I did. In case anyone remembers, I have a roll dynamic
noise in my engine. I have been able to get about half of it out or quiet
it down by half, whatever. It cost me another five hundred for a muffler
and I designed an after-muffler which helps. It is now acceptable to me. I
can fly my little bird hands off for quite a while before I get the P factor
from the blade and it will turn slightly to the right. Easily controlled
with a slight touch of the rudder. I do thank everyone for their ideas on
my engine roll but nothing worked short of spending a lot of money. It is
internal in the engine, probably timing or the crank being off a hair or
whatever but the harmonics are there and it is not the only one. No one has
a cure or more correctly, anyone with the knowledge and ability to do
something about it really cares. Only company who offered to help was
Lockwood Aviation way down in Florida and I would either have to take the
engine off and send it to them or take the plane there and have them test
and take the engine off. Either way, lots of money and no guarantee. Some
times we get caught in a big black hole and we just have to keep taking care
of ourselves. Sorry for the length. Take care and keep flying. Ted Cowan,
SlingShot, 912ul, zoom zoom.
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From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
Subject: | Re: Inexpensive radio installation |
Rick, What do you use to strap it to your leg with?
Gene
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4.00 C gearbox
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It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | Re: Inexpensive radio installation |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Rick,
I'm glad you got a good radio system built for your Kolb. It makes a huge difference
in situational awareness in and around populated areas. Nobody cares what
brand radios we have. If it works well then it is a good radio.
I bought an SP-200 many years ago and its reception was good and the nav feature
was a but saver for me on one occasion but I did not know it did not have a
side-band when I bought it. Since then the transmit side has quit working but
it still receives well. But the lack of side-band was enough to make me wish I
had bought something else.
Last year I purchased an iCom A-6 for $239 from MarvGolden.com and that included
the headset adapter and 12-v power plug. Right out of the box it sounds nearly
as good in my Slingshot as the iCom A-200 did in the much quieter Allegro.
Connected to the Kolb antenna makes no difference in the sound quality but increases
the range a good bit, I pick up pilot chatter from airports I've never
heard of, which means they are quite some distance from my local area.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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Subject: | Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
From: | Charles Davis <ceddavis(at)gmail.com> |
Been offline for a few days, but my Firefly does not exhibit "tail
wagging", In fact, I have flown it "sans-feet" for 20 minutes at a time,
just to change leg position on a cross country. Only needed to put the
feet back on the pedals to change position again...the plane is quite happy
with out them.
Chuck Davis
Firelfy
N7057K
Smoketown, PA
From: "Beauford " <beauford173(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag
Brother Pike:
The Kolb rudder oscillation- tail wag phenomenon has been mentioned on the
list several times in the past... True to form, take my tootsies off the
pedals for five seconds or so, and the Kleenex Machine will invariably
launch into an increasing amplitude snake dance.
Since Beauford is not into self abuse (beyond matrimony) and I have a strong
recollection of how few lil' ol pop-rivets are holding the arse end of the
thing in association with the front end, I never let it go more than three
or four seconds before putting the feet back on the pedals to stop it before
it gets really wild.
In my aerodynamic ignorance, have always assumed this to be some combination
of rudder mass balance issue and interaction with the propwash vortex.
Since it is easily arrested and Kolbs have no history of shedding tails or
boom failure, have never been overly concerned about it...but am curious as
to whether any of the learned brethren on the List know exactly why this
happens to Kolbs and what practical fix might solve it without a redesign of
the vertical tail surfaces...
Anybody?
Or from another angle... Does anyone have a Kolb that does NOT exhibit this
behavior...?
Curious Beauford
FF-076, N173BW
Brandon, FL
Then there was the matter of the rudder flutter, take your feet off the
rudder pedals and they would start to shuffle and the tail would start to
wig-wag..
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Inexpensive radio installation |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
I have some velcro straps that have been around for years. Nothing fancy,
just just hook the belt clip and snug up the velcro. I'll do something more
elaborate when I get some more experience with it.
Rick
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
> Rick, What do you use to strap it to your leg with?
> Gene
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> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
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> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
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3 blade WD
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to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
My Kolb MK-III Xtra does not have any type of rudder flutter, or tendency to tail
wag. When my wife is flying, she keeps her feet on the floor most of the
time, my Kolb cruises along happily for an hour without anyone ever touching the
rudder pedals. Even in turbulence my wife uses the ailerons only, she never
touches the rudder on a cross country because there is no need to.
I have a counterweight on my rudder,, just like the ailerons have. Kolb also
put an extra bell crank on the rudder cables of the MK III Xtra, which keeps the
rudder cables tensioned just like the elevator. Ever wondered why the elevator
never flutters on a Kolb and the rudder does ??? Its those tensioned cables
on the elevator that adds mass and resistance to quick movement and flutter.
If you do not believe this, just loosen your elevator cables so that they
jsut hang there loose, and go fly and see how long it takes for that elevator
to flutter ;) Joking aside, NEVER try this, because you probably would not
live long enough to get on the ground and report your findings !!!
So the easiest and best solution would seem to be a counterweight on the rudder,
just like your ailerons have.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
My Kolb MK-III Xtra does not have any type of rudder flutter, or tendency to
tail wag. >>
Neither does mine. I have the counterweights fitted AS PER THE PLANS. They
are ON THE PLANS FOR A PURPOSE.
Why do builders try to second guess Homer who quite obviously knew what he
was doing? If he specified counterweights then for crying out loud Fit
counterweights.
On another point. Not using the rudder.Although I agree that you can fly
happily in a straight line without the rudder, changing course or using the
ailerons necessitates using rudder properly.
I learned to fly in gliders where it is important always to present the
minimum frontal area to the airflow because drag represents loss of height
so I never move the stick with automatically applying some rudder. But
beyong that. Applying bank WITHOUT rudder just makes it very, very hard to
get your wing down. With rudder its a doddle. Try appling bank and then
reversing it without rudder. It takes forever and needs muscles like Popeye.
With rudder she slips around easily, as she was designed to do. Use the
rudder.Its there for a reason. Why fight it.?
There are no points for not flying properly.
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Busted crank? |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Curioser and curioser...
Pulled the engine off the airplane this morning and found some interesting things.
In the bottom of the case below the magneto was a little gloop of old black
nasty oil, but no clean oil such as has been accumulating below the engine.
Pressure tested the engine and it came up tight as a drum. Checked the crank for
variation between the front and back cylinders and both of them were at TDC
when they were supposed to be. So the good news is, the engine has nothing (apparently)
wrong with the crank.
Everything is just about all back together, guess I'll top everything up with oil
and wait to see what happens next...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | JG <stolspeed(at)gmail.com> |
I haven't flown a Kolb yet, but aspire to own one, thus am starting to
follow this list.
This mention of tail wag is most interesting. We've had some experience
with tail wag in a Australian design known as the Boorabee. It's also a
pusher configuration like the Kolb, with a complete fibreglass enclosure.
The enclosure is a smooth aerodynamic shape. Flight characteristics are
excellent, except for a tendency to want to fly with a yaw bias, in either
direction. To explain - It will be stable with a yaw bias of several
degrees to one side, then if corrected with rudder will be stable with an
equal yaw in the other direction. It doesn't wag between to two sides, but
is stable at either side. This was completely corrected by installing
vortex generators to sides of the fuselage.
It seems that the cause of the problem was the sides of the fuselage where
they taper in at the back. For example, once the aircraft yawed a bit to
the right, the airflow on the rear right side tended to stall, while the
left side was acting like an airfoil and causing a lateral 'lift' force in
that direction, and thus sustaining the yaw. As soon as the rudder was used
to over-center the aircraft, the effects reversed and it then stable in the
other direction. The VGs stabilized the airflow, and the aircraft now flies
straight with no rudder input.
I wonder if it's a version of this effect that's effecting the Kolbs that
experience tail wag?? I note that the Kolbs have a lot longer tail moment
arm than the Boorabee. Could it be that the longer tail over-rides the yaw
effect caused by the enclosure, causing it to over-center, and then wag back
and forth?? It sounds like a marginal situation, which may account for the
reason that some Kolbs feel it and some don't. There's lots of mysteries
and surprises in aerodynamics, and only real life flight experience tells
the real story.
The VGs that they used on the Boorabee are home-made of bent aluminum, about
25mm (1") high. As I remember, they had about five double ones down each
side of the fuselage, just behind the widest point. I'm not sure that the
micro VGs about 12mm high would be high enough to reach outside the boundary
layer at that point, but maybe....
I manufacture micro VGs, www.stolspeed.com , and am offering them free to
anyone with a Kolb wanting to test if they can help reduce the tail wag
effect. It's certainly worth a try......
JG
www.stolspeed.com
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
> So the easiest and best solution would seem to be a counterweight on the
rudder, just like your ailerons have.
>
> Mike
Mike B/Gang:
I don't think your solution is the easiest or the best.
Took me a couple minutes to add two additional rudder pedal springs that
fixed my problem.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, OR
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Subject: | Re: Aileron flutter and Tail-wag |
From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
My FS II has no tail wag issues. I flew over 3 hrs yesterday, mid-day, with lots
of thermals & gusty conditions. Looked back at the tail numerous times and it
just sits there doing it's job, no wagging around. I dropped in to visit with
Robert Laird and we discussed the issue, he said his MK III has no tail wag
going on either. I do have very tight tailwires, and have seen some Kolbs with
wires that are fairly loose. Maybe that could be a contributing cause.
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Busted crank? |
On Sep 27, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Curioser and curioser...
>
> Pulled the engine off the airplane this morning and found some
> interesting things. In the bottom of the case below the magneto was
> a little gloop of old black nasty oil, but no clean oil such as has
> been accumulating below the engine.
>
Richard,
After the engine's last experience, the engine probably just needs its
"underwear" changed. ;-)
> Pressure tested the engine and it came up tight as a drum. Checked
> the crank for variation between the front and back cylinders and
> both of them were at TDC when they were supposed to be. So the good
> news is, the engine has nothing (apparently) wrong with the crank.
>
Feels kind of like the medical report of a colonoscopy when it comes
back showing "negative".
Good luck and happy motoring!
> Everything is just about all back together, guess I'll top
> everything up with oil and wait to see what happens next...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313896#313896
>
>
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Subject: | new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | "awcbs" <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
just got a mark 3 x kit from around 1999. quick build option, not much done on
it. I live in eastern Pa. north of pittsburgh. prob be askin alot of questions.
just warning everyone. anyway looking forward to the build. any tips before
I get started are always welcome. thanks AJ
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From: | "Carlos" <grageda(at)innw.net> |
Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
Hi AJ,
Welcome to the World of Kolbs. You might want to give Travis at Kolb a call
to see if there are any updates to your Kolb that you should consider. Keep
us posted about your progress of your build!
Carlos G.
AKA
BaronVonEvil
----- Original Message -----
From: "awcbs" <awcbsone(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:25 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: new owner of an older kolb x kit
>
> just got a mark 3 x kit from around 1999. quick build option, not much
> done on it. I live in eastern Pa. north of pittsburgh. prob be askin alot
> of questions. just warning everyone. anyway looking forward to the build.
> any tips before I get started are always welcome. thanks AJ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314014#314014
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 912 Ignition Question |
From: | "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
<< I flipped both ignition switches to "off," but nothing happened - the
engine continued to idle. >>
Kolb Friends -
A month ago I posted this problem to the List, and received several
inputs - thanks to all who shared your ideas.
Seems I fixed the problem, and I'd like to pass on what I learned.
As most of the replies I received suggested, it was indeed a grounding
problem. Nothing wrong with the 912 ignition modules. The difficult
part of it was that there was no obvious clue, like a broken wire or
disconnected ground wire terminal.
I ended up disconnecting every ground wire associated with the ignition
system, cleaned the terminals, and reconnected them. Did this to the
wires on the back of my ignition switches, the ground wires running from
the panel instruments to the common ground wire, the engine-to-airframe
ground wire, the voltage regulator ground wires, and a few others.
Then, bingo - everything worked just like it is supposed to when I test
ran the engine and flipped the kill switches to "off." Not sure exactly
WHICH single wire it might've been, but ... it was clearly a case of a
corroded connection somewhere in the system.
If this helps anyone, sometime in the future, who experiences this same
problem, then it was worth the time to share this with you all.
Fly safe -
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, PowerFin-72
Sandia Park, NM
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From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
LOL
Good luck,
I hope your building abilities surpass your grasp of Pennsylvania's
geography.
Gene Z
On Sep 28, 2010, at 3:25 PM, awcbs wrote:
>
> just got a mark 3 x kit from around 1999. quick build option, not
> much done on it. I live in eastern Pa. north of pittsburgh. prob be
> askin alot of questions. just warning everyone. anyway looking
> forward to the build. any tips before I get started are always
> welcome. thanks AJ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314014#314014
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 912 Ignition Question |
From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
For those that live in damper climates close to the water I would be using either
a dielectric grease on all my electrical connections or something like Corrosion-X.
Something to keep out the moisture.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
AJ,
Can you be a little more specific about your location, like nearest town name or
airport from which you will fly your Xtra when it is ready. Sort of hard to
find you in eastern PA north of Pittsburgh :-).
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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Subject: | Re: 912 Ignition Question |
From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Roger/All
I have been struggling with electrical connections on my electric golf cart
this summer. I got the not so bright idea that I would clean all the
terminals and coat them all with dielectric grease. Big mistake the cart was
dead. I would not even take a charge. I did some research and found the
dielectric grease is a insulator (apparently a very good one) and the only
solvent that would clean it is MEK. I then checked with the golf cart
customer support and they recommended petroleum jelly. I cleaned a bunch,
MEKed a BUNCH, and coated with petroleum jelly and all is well again.
The morel of the story is don't use dielectric grease on anything that you
want to conduct electricity. A small dab is fine on spark plug boots but
little else in our airplanes.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Roger Lee wrote:
>
> For those that live in damper climates close to the water I would be using
> either a dielectric grease on all my electrical connections or something
> like Corrosion-X. Something to keep out the moisture.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314063#314063
>
>
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From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: 912 Ignition Question |
- After spending almost 40 years in the trucking business, I can confirm
that petroleum jelly is the best way to protect a connection.- Works grea
t on battery terminals.- Clean and tighten, then thoroughly coat with the
jelly.- Works better than any commercial coating or spray, and a lot che
aper.- Battery acid won't go through it.-The di-electric grease should
only be used as a sealant after a clean, tight connection is made.- The s
tuff is used in a lot of light connections, but a loose connector won't scr
atch it's way to a good contact.- I always coat after the connection.
-
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- Bill Sullivan
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- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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- FS 447
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From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: 912 Ignition Question |
>The morel of the story is don't use dielectric grease on anything that you
want to conduct electricity.
>Rick Neilsen
Roger=2C Rick=2C et al=2C
As Rick said=2C a dielectric grease is by definition an insulator. See t
he following from Wikipedia=3B
A dielectric is an electrical insulator that may be polarized by an applied
electric field. When a dielectric is placed in an electric field=2C electr
ic charges do not flow through the material=2C as in a conductor=2C but onl
y slightly shift from their average equilibrium positions causing dielectri
c polarization. Because of dielectric polarization=2C positive charges are
displaced toward the field and negative charges shift in the opposite direc
tion. This creates an internal electric field that partly compensates the e
xternal field inside the dielectric.[1] If a dielectric is composed of weak
ly bonded molecules=2C those molecules not only become polarized=2C but als
o reorient so that their symmetry axis aligns to the field.[2]
For proper elecrical connection protection=2C all autoparts stores carry
stuff that is made for exactly that purpose. I have
the spray stuff that is purple=2C or dark blue. It also comes in a tube.
Good stuff=2C too!!!
Mike Welch
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Subject: | Re: 912 Ignition Question |
From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
How to apply:
Die electric grease should be used as a moisture block not an electrical enhancer.
Dielectric grease is a nonconductive grease. Because it is nonconductive it does
not enhance the flow electrical current. Electrical conductors should not be
coated with dielectric grease prior to being mated. However, dielectric grease
is often applied to electrical connectors, particularly ones which contain
rubber gaskets, as a way to provide a nonconductive lubricant and sealer for the
rubber portions of the connector.
The widest use of dielectric grease is in high-voltage connections associated with
spark plugs. The grease is applied to the rubber boot of the plug wire. This
helps the rubber boot slide onto the ceramic insulator of the plug. The grease
also acts to seal the rubber boot, while at the same time preventing the rubber
from becoming stuck to the ceramic. Generally spark plugs are in located
in areas of high temperature, and the grease is formulated to withstand the temperature
range expected.
Another common use of dielectric grease is on the rubber mating surfaces or gaskets
of multi-pin electrical connectors used in automotive and marine engines.
The grease again acts as a lubricant and a sealant on the nonconductive mating
surfaces of the connector. It is not recommended to be applied to the actual
electrical conductive contacts of the connector.
The grease to to help keep the moisture out and not let it into sensitive areas.
The electrical contacts have to be clean and that is where most people get into
a bind. The moisture in the air causes the corrosion. At that point all the
grounds and or affected connections should come apart and be cleaned. After
the connections are re-joined then the grease is applied more to the outside of
the connection joints to prevent re-introduction of moisture. If you apply the
grease on the connections themselves that will actually reduce the current
flow of electricity.
The Corrosion-X can be applied directly to directly any electric connection.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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Subject: | Re: 912 Ignition Question |
From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Roger
That is all great information. I wish I had know that before I put it on my
golf cart.
But.... Why would anyone put something on a aircraft contact that might end
up insulating a connection? As I stated before petroleum jelly keeps out
moisture, is cheep and doesn't create any risk.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Roger Lee wrote:
>
> How to apply:
> Die electric grease should be used as a moisture block not an electrical
> enhancer.
>
>
> Dielectric grease is a nonconductive grease. Because it is nonconductive
> it does not enhance the flow electrical current. Electrical conductors
> should not be coated with dielectric grease prior to being mated. However,
> dielectric grease is often applied to electrical connectors, particularly
> ones which contain rubber gaskets, as a way to provide a nonconductive
> lubricant and sealer for the rubber portions of the connector.
>
> The widest use of dielectric grease is in high-voltage connections
> associated with spark plugs. The grease is applied to the rubber boot of the
> plug wire. This helps the rubber boot slide onto the ceramic insulator of
> the plug. The grease also acts to seal the rubber boot, while at the same
> time preventing the rubber from becoming stuck to the ceramic. Generally
> spark plugs are in located in areas of high temperature, and the grease is
> formulated to withstand the temperature range expected.
>
> Another common use of dielectric grease is on the rubber mating surfaces or
> gaskets of multi-pin electrical connectors used in automotive and marine
> engines. The grease again acts as a lubricant and a sealant on the
> nonconductive mating surfaces of the connector. It is not recommended to be
> applied to the actual electrical conductive contacts of the connector.
>
> The grease to to help keep the moisture out and not let it into sensitive
> areas. The electrical contacts have to be clean and that is where most
> people get into a bind. The moisture in the air causes the corrosion. At
> that point all the grounds and or affected connections should come apart and
> be cleaned. After the connections are re-joined then the grease is applied
> more to the outside of the connection joints to prevent re-introduction of
> moisture. If you apply the grease on the connections themselves that will
> actually reduce the current flow of electricity.
>
> The Corrosion-X can be applied directly to directly any electric
> connection.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314100#314100
>
>
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | "awcbs" <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
I was in allentown working yesterday when I posted, so I was in eastern Pa but
that was mistake. know Pa. pretty well as I travel all over fixin roads. been
from allentown to erie, williamsport to mt.morris. sorry, 1 little mistake. I
live in whitesburgh Pa, which is right next to kittanning Pa. 1 hr north of pittsburgh.
my neighbor has a 2000' grass strip. out my driveway and up his to
the strip. my parents also have a farm where I flew an old mirage ultralight out
of years ago. would also be interested in checking out other kolbs in the area,
thanks and sorry for the typo. AJ
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
AJ,
Thanks for refining your location. No reason to apologize, we just kid each other
to keep us all on our toes.
Welcome to the large Kolb flyers and builders family. I am only about two hours
driving north of you which is about one hour Slingshot flying.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
That's good, be humble or us good ole boys might shun ye.
BB
(an enthusiast of western PA where I did a lot of tent camping. You're not really
camping in those
fancy-scmantzy mobile living rooms)
On 29, Sep 2010, at 10:52 AM, awcbs wrote:
>
> I was in allentown working yesterday when I posted, so I was in eastern Pa but
that was mistake. know Pa. pretty well as I travel all over fixin roads. been
from allentown to erie, williamsport to mt.morris. sorry, 1 little mistake.
I live in whitesburgh Pa, which is right next to kittanning Pa. 1 hr north of
pittsburgh. my neighbor has a 2000' grass strip. out my driveway and up his to
the strip. my parents also have a farm where I flew an old mirage ultralight
out of years ago. would also be interested in checking out other kolbs in the
area, thanks and sorry for the typo. AJ
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314103#314103
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: new owner of an older Kolb X kit |
- You will get used to the guys kidding around.- They just don't want y
ou to get lost before you leave the ground.
- Any questions you have about assembly, tricks, or legal requirements (b
uilder's log, photos, etc.) just post to the List and somebody will have an
answer.- Good people here.
- Good luck, and have fun.- Let us know on progress.
-
-------------------------
----------------------- Bill
Sullivan
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----------------------- Winds
or Locks, Ct.
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----------------------- FS 44
7
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: 912 Ignition Question |
At 10:41 AM 9/29/2010, Richard Neilsen wrote:
>Roger
>
>That is all great information. I wish I had know that before I put it on
>my golf cart.
>
>But.... Why would anyone put something on a aircraft contact that might
>end up insulating a connection? As I stated before petroleum jelly keeps
>out moisture, is cheep and doesn't create any risk.
Petroleum jelly, like any petroleum product, can attack rubber parts, like
the boot around the connector (depending on the rubber compound). The
silicone dielectric compound is presumably formulated to avoid this.
-Dana
--
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government. - Thomas Jefferson
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From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: 912 ignition question |
- Dana- Good point.--I have never used it on rubber, just bare metal
or plastic connectors.
-
-------------------------
------------------------ Bi
ll Sullivan
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------------------------ Wi
ndsor Locks, Ct.
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-------------------------
FS 447
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: 912 ignition question |
I usually don' bother on aircraft connections but on domestic power
connections I learned the hard way to
apply a commercial "ointment" to circuit breaker split knife type
connectors. Almost had a serious fire with
dry connections.
BB
On 29, Sep 2010, at 1:54 PM, william sullivan wrote:
> Dana- Good point. I have never used it on rubber, just bare metal
or plastic connectors.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> FS 447
>
>
>
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From: | "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
Did "Vamoose" ever get into the Air ?
.
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By anyone ?
.
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Gotta Fly...
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From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
He sold Vamoose in March 2008..... to someone in San Diego, I think. I
have no clue who bought it, or whether it's been in the air since then.
If I remember right, it did fly at various points in it's history, but he
kept trying "alternative" engines and never was happy with whatever was
going on with it at the time.
-- Robert
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:32 PM, planecrazzzy wrote:
>
> Did "Vamoose" ever get into the Air ?
> .
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> By anyone ?
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> Gotta Fly...
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From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Subject: | Re: 912 Ignition Question |
But.... Why would anyone put something on a aircraft contact that might
end up insulating a connection?
guess I am having a hard time with this thread.... at least for me it
has not been a problem.. on my old boat trailer I had to take apart,
clean, and reassemble the light connections a couple times a year.
after putting on the dielectric gel I went many, many years and still
did not have to clean up the lights,,, the dielectric gel kept all
the water and corrosion off the joints. after putting the dielectric
on the socket, then on the bulb, and when they were assembled, there
was a physical connection between the metal components, and the lights
come on. every connection on the plane will have a physical
connection, where the metal will contact metal through the gel. sure
where there is no metal contact, there will be no electron flowing from
one piece to another,,,, but dry or Vaseline,,, if there is no metal
contact, no electrons will flow there either.
now on lead acid batteries,, I have used Vaseline for years after being
told by an old mechanic that worked on the fire trucks at the local AFB
but never considered it on other connections. I have liked the gel
because it does not drip or run off when it gets hot.
boyd young
mkiii
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From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
If I remember right, it did fly at various points in it's history, but
he kept trying "alternative" engines and never was happy with whatever
was going on with it at the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Larry never flew the plane,,,, he started it a few time but never
committed aviation. on a early start, Larry twisted off the input shaft
of his one of a kind psru....(almost sure it was the input shaft,) the
rebuild of the psru kept having oil leak problems... he finally got the
leaks resolved,,, then the engine backfired during a start up and
destroyed the chain in the psru,,, that was or seemed to be the last
straw before Larry sold the plane.
I don't know if the new owner has or has not flown the plane. I have
wondered the same thing during this thread.
boyd young mkIII
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
If you would like a totally biased opinion at how one particular curmudgeon thinks
MKIII's ought to be built, check out dis heah:
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Then when you are totally confused, ask questions on this list. We have many opinions...
and are not shy to express them.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Welcome AJ,
There is a MK3 at a private strip on Rt14 near Columbiana called Morris,
just inside the Mode C ring of Pittsburgh.Joe Saval flies there. I fly ov
er there once in a while to visit But about 15 miles west of Morris is Sal
em (38D) A great restaurant for breakfast .We visit there a lot.We get a
nice Saturday,we'll pick you up there and take you to breakfast!
Gary Aman MK3 C Jabiru 2200a 595 hrs.
-----Original Message-----
From: awcbs <awcbsone(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2010 10:52 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit
I was in allentown working yesterday when I posted, so I was in eastern Pa
but
that was mistake. know Pa. pretty well as I travel all over fixin roads.
been
from allentown to erie, williamsport to mt.morris. sorry, 1 little mistake
. I
live in whitesburgh Pa, which is right next to kittanning Pa. 1 hr north
of
pittsburgh. my neighbor has a 2000' grass strip. out my driveway and up
his to
the strip. my parents also have a farm where I flew an old mirage ultralig
ht out
of years ago. would also be interested in checking out other kolbs in the
area,
thanks and sorry for the typo. AJ
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314103#314103
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
This morning I made a flight to Burns, the closest town to me, to survey
and mark the various ponds in that area for an upcoming Falconry meet.
On the whole it was uneventful, even though it got a bit bumpy coming
back over the Mountains at 12 pm.
I have gotten spoiled since moving here and this is the first time that
I have flown in anything other than the early morning air. Here is the
spot page of my trip. It will be up for at least 7 days before spot
wipes it out.
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0siAoTNYTZD
6KPbiDncNLfKZruRqx5nUO
If you click on either Hybrid or Satellite you can get an idea of what
the country looks like.
I flew for 3:45 minutes, fuel burn was 11 gallons at 21 miles per
gallon. I also flew at max cruise which is 5800 RPM's, climbing to 7000,
and the average speed was 65 MPH. I located over 40 ponds that would
hold ducks for us to hunt if we can of course get permission to do so.
I did get a bit of a surprise when I over flew the Burns Airport and
found that it was closed for repair.
My gas supply was cut off and I had to land in a field at a friends
house, call John H and the wife to go buy a gas can and bring me some
gas. Luckily they had decided to drive to Burns to visit the Dairy Queen
and get a few supplies. For the most part the weather here at this time
of the year is the best that it gets, but it is exceptionally hot
causing quite a bit of thermal activity.
Hopefully every one now has something other than dial up. If not, I
apologize, and will keep my comments and flights to myself in the
future.
Larry
Firestar II - HKS 700 E
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which includes my email address.
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Subject: | Video of flying the Mississippi |
From: | "Thumper" <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com> |
This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to Tennessee. I flew some
along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope this video will load, I haven't
loaded a video to this site before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0
--------
Dennis Long
Oakland TN
Kolb Firestar Owner
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From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
Dennis
That was one great flight! -- and I'm jealous. What a fantastic
flying experience!
But it was also most illegal, and you could get written up for it.
That would spoil your whole day/week/month/year.
You don't need that.
You may know that the FAR's say no closer than 500' to any "person,
vehicle (includes tugs, barges, bikes, beach buggies) or structure
(includes fences, phone poles, doghouses, etc) on the surface
(includes water, land, and that halfway in-between stuff)
And you never know where some clod with binoculars may be.
Good luck
Russ K
On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Thumper wrote:
>
> This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to
> Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope
> this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site before.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0
>
> --------
> Dennis Long
> Oakland TN
> Kolb Firestar Owner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314176#314176
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Russ, I could see that he was at least 501' away.
BB
On 29, Sep 2010, at 8:01 PM, russ kinne wrote:
>
> Dennis
> That was one great flight! -- and I'm jealous. What a fantastic flying experience!
> But it was also most illegal, and you could get written up for it. That would
spoil your whole day/week/month/year.
> You don't need that.
> You may know that the FAR's say no closer than 500' to any "person, vehicle (includes
tugs, barges, bikes, beach buggies) or structure (includes fences, phone
poles, doghouses, etc) on the surface (includes water, land, and that halfway
in-between stuff)
> And you never know where some clod with binoculars may be.
> Good luck
> Russ K
>
> On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Thumper wrote:
>
>>
>> This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to Tennessee. I flew
some along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope this video will load, I haven't
loaded a video to this site before.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0
>>
>> --------
>> Dennis Long
>> Oakland TN
>> Kolb Firestar Owner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314176#314176
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
My eyeballs read the same way whenever I'm flying!
But I have been writ up. And survived. barely.
RK
On Sep 29, 2010, at 8:29 PM, robert bean wrote:
>
> Russ, I could see that he was at least 501' away.
> BB
>
> On 29, Sep 2010, at 8:01 PM, russ kinne wrote:
>
>>
>> Dennis
>> That was one great flight! -- and I'm jealous. What a fantastic
>> flying experience!
>> But it was also most illegal, and you could get written up for it.
>> That would spoil your whole day/week/month/year.
>> You don't need that.
>> You may know that the FAR's say no closer than 500' to any
>> "person, vehicle (includes tugs, barges, bikes, beach buggies) or
>> structure (includes fences, phone poles, doghouses, etc) on the
>> surface (includes water, land, and that halfway in-between stuff)
>> And you never know where some clod with binoculars may be.
>> Good luck
>> Russ K
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Thumper wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to
>>> Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home.
>>> Hope this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site
>>> before.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Dennis Long
>>> Oakland TN
>>> Kolb Firestar Owner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314176#314176
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Great pictures, thanks!
And something not everybody knows about is that you can resize pictures to just
a fraction of the usual bandwidth very easily - check out dis heah:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Very useful tool.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
[quote="russkinne(at)mac.com"]Dennis
That was one great flight! -- and I'm jealous. What a fantastic
flying experience!
But it was also most illegal, and you could get written up for it.
That would spoil your whole day/week/month/year.
You don't need that.
You may know that the FAR's say no closer than 500' to any "person,
vehicle (includes tugs, barges, bikes, beach buggies) or structure
(includes fences, phone poles, doghouses, etc) on the surface
(includes water, land, and that halfway in-between stuff)
And you never know where some clod with binoculars may be.
Good luck
Russ K
[quote]
Brings to mind a story from years back - Being a retired controller, you collect
a lot of those.
My trainer/supervisor when I first got to TRI (he's dead now) told the story on
himself of vectoring a Southern DC-9 for a left turn into final not realizing
that the west sector controller was also vectoring one for a right turn in,
and they ended up just about parallel holding hands, and the dialog as it was
told to me went something like this:
APCH: Southern 833, traffic is a Grumman at 3 o'clock and three miles, will be
following you in.
SO833: Traffic in sight, and - uh- he looks a lot closer than 3 miles.
APCH: Roger, contact tower 119.5.
At this point the Sup gets somebody to take East Radar and goes up to the tower
to get the Ground Controller out for a break. Consequently, he is at the right
place at the right time a few minutes later when Southern 833 makes the following
inquiry...
SO833: Ground, SO833, got a question.
GC: SO833, go ahead.
SO833: How far away is that airplane at the end gate?
GC: 3 miles.
SO833: That's what I suspected...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
And something not everybody knows about is that you can resize pictures
to just a fraction of the usual bandwidth very easily - check out dis
heath:
Richard you are going to have to be more specific. I was unsure if you
were telling me to make them smaller? I did resize them to 700x 460,
they were 16 MB originally. If you would like them smaller, I will make
a note to myself to either do so, or just not send any at all.
Larry
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which includes my email address.
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From: | <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
Dont stop sending them . I for one like to see all the picts and vidios
and I bet there are many on this list that think the same .I really feel
guilty for not posting more from my flights.
Downunder
MK111c
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
"any tips before I get started are always welcome."
YES - Inventory all your parts and find what is missing.
--------
Jerry King
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
Actually it's "person, vessel, or structure on the surface"... not that it
matters. At that height binoculars wouldn't even be necessary.
In today's paranoid society people seem to have 911 on speed dial on their
cellphones, and cellphone cameras in case they missed the N-number. And
there has been a lot of discussion recently, I forget whether it was on
this list or elsewhere, about self incriminating flying videos on youtube
leading to FAA enforcement action.
But in an ultralight there's no 500' rule; it would be completely legal...
I love my UltraStar!
-Dana
At 08:01 PM 9/29/2010, russ kinne wrote:
>
>Dennis
>That was one great flight! -- and I'm jealous. What a fantastic
>flying experience!
>But it was also most illegal, and you could get written up for it.
>That would spoil your whole day/week/month/year.
>You don't need that.
>You may know that the FAR's say no closer than 500' to any "person,
>vehicle (includes tugs, barges, bikes, beach buggies) or structure
>(includes fences, phone poles, doghouses, etc) on the surface
>(includes water, land, and that halfway in-between stuff)
>And you never know where some clod with binoculars may be.
>Good luck
>Russ K
>
>On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Thumper wrote:
>
>>
>>This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to
>>Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope
>>this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site before.
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0
>>
>>--------
>>Dennis Long
>>Oakland TN
>>Kolb Firestar Owner
>>
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>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314176#314176
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If it were truly the thought that counted, more women would be pregnant.
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Subject: | Re: 912 Ignition Question |
From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
DOW 4 Compound works for me. It is an inert electrical insulating compound in
the form of silicone grease that is designed to be compatible with metal, rubber
and plastic parts. It won't run off with heat either.
One of Dow 4's best uses is for O-ring installation, It lubricates and retards
"rolling" and poor seating of O-rings during installation.
Dow 4 is available through Aircraft Spruce and other suppliers. Please note that
I have no connection with Dow or Aircraft Spruce; just as a very satisfied
customer.
More info here: http://www4.dowcorning.com/DataFiles/090007c8801e254b.pdf
--------
Jerry King
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
While you're doing the inventory, keep an eye out for the elevator bell
crank that installs in the cockpit and is connected to the stick with a push
pull tube. There was a running change made at some time in the 90's that
added a hole on the left forward corner of the bell crank for the cable from
the trim lever. Previous to this the trim lever connected to the elevator
with a cable that ran from the trim lever all the way back to the bell crank
in the tail and back again to the cockpit bell crank. When the trim lever is
moved from whatever the builder selects as the neutral point one part of the
cable goes slack and bangs around in the tail tube. While the noise by
itself is worrisome, when the trim cable is taut and the elevator control
cable is slack the elevator becomes kind of loosy goosy in turbulence.
There are two ways to fix the problem, call Travis and order the current
iteration of the cockpit bell crank, or use a longer bolt to attach the rod
end of the push pull tube and add a tang to provide the second hole for the
trim cable.
Another thing in the control circuits. I don't know if this is covered in
the instruction manual, it isn't on the Mk IIIC plans. Add AN 970 large area
washers to the outside of the rod end attachment bolt of the bell crank
described above and the two on the aileron bell crank for the ailerons.
This will keep the controls from becoming separated should the rod end come
apart.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:55 AM, racerjerry wrote:
>
> "any tips before I get started are always welcome."
>
> YES - Inventory all your parts and find what is missing.
>
> --------
> Jerry King
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314207#314207
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
There was a running change made at some time in the 90's that added a hole
on the left forward corner of the bell crank for the cable from the trim le
ver.
Rick Girard
Rick=2C
I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in November 19
98. I DO have the updated bellcrank that
you refer to. Since AJ claims to have a kit from 1999=2C AND it is evident
ly an early model Xtra=2C one would assume Kolb
Co. didn't reverse their bellcrank revision and send out an older style.
However=2C it is an excellent point that you mention it=2C just in case a
nyone else hasn't updated their own forward elevator
bellcrank.
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
The change must have been cut in very early on in the Mk III production. I
had a conversation with Travis about it when I first found it on my
aircraft. As I recall he had no record of it which would seem to indicate
the cut in was done before TNK took over from Homer. The serial number
stamped at the end of the engine mount tube on my aircraft is 043.
Truthfully, for all I know this may have been a builder mod. It doesn't look
like it, but it could be.
Rick
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
> There was a running change made at some time in the 90's that added a hole
> on the left forward corner of the bell crank for the cable from the trim
> lever.
> Rick Girard
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in* November
> 1998*. I DO have the updated bellcrank that
> you refer to. Since AJ claims to have a kit from 1999, AND it is evidently
> an early model Xtra, one would assume Kolb
> Co. didn't reverse their bellcrank revision and send out an older style.
> However, it is an excellent point that you mention it, just in
> case anyone else hasn't updated their own forward elevator
> bellcrank.
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
I have MKIII sn: M3-011.
Bro Jim and I were working at Homer's Dec 1990 to Mar 1991. Jim welded
up MKIII fuselages and I inspected them from the very first, M3-001. We
also built and modified my MKIII at night while there. Each morning,
when Homer Kolb came to work, he would inspect and approve what Jim and
I had done the night before.
My MKIII has the current forward aileron bell crank. I believe they all
do.
BTW: I don't add fender washers to my rod end bearings. Haven't
figured out how they could wear enough to separate. My MKIII rod end
bearings have over 3,000.00 flight hours on them and they are quite
serviceable. During my time flying Army helicopters, I do not remember
fender washers being added to rod end bearings.
I wanted to refresh my memory, so I walked over to the hanger and took a
close look at Larry Cottrell's FSII rod end bearings on his aileron
push/pull tubes. Looks like it would be pretty difficult to get the
small AN 1/4 inch washer through the hole if the bronze bearing totally
disintegrated.
john h
mkIII
7 miles south of Burns Junction, OR
I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in
November 1998. I DO have the updated bellcrank that
you refer to
Mike Welch
MkIII
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | "awcbs" <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
zeprep, might take you up on the offer, but if your flyin I'm buyin. let me know
when your goin and if I'm not workin I'll be there. thanks everyone for the
replies and tips. I'll post a couple pics and serial # later 2night, maybe it'll
shed a little more light on the year? goto finish making room for it, then
inventory. know it's missing lexan and aluminum floor. thanks AJ
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | "awcbs" <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
original bill of sale dated 12-10-1999
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | "awcbs" <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
whoops, kinda big, have to resize next time
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From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
- That photo format worked just fine.- One of the guys should be able t
o date it from this.
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----------------- Bill Sullivan
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----------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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----------------- FS 447
--- On Fri, 10/1/10, awcbs wrote:
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
Here's a low res picture (cut from a video from a camera mounted on the
wing of my UltraStar)... this is for the UK guys... we have some castles in
New England too!
Bill and Russ will of course recognize where this is...
-Dana
At 08:00 AM 9/30/2010, william sullivan wrote:
> Keep sending the photos. When I have sent photos, Windows will ask me
> if I want to reduce the size of the pictures. These are the ones that
> appear at the top of peoples' messages. When you click on them, they
> enlarge. Love seeing the photos- from a New Englander's standpoint, you
> are sending them from a different planet.
>
--
Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why don't we
send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use it any more.
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From: | willuribe(at)aol.com |
Greetings,
Larry sold Vamoose to a 70 year old from San Diego, Larry lost contact wit
h him so he never knew if it ever flew.
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II
Larry never flew the plane,,,, he started it a few time but never committ
ed aviation. on a early start, Larry twisted off the input shaft of his
one of a kind psru....(almost sure it was the input shaft,) the rebuild
of the psru kept having oil leak problems... he finally got the leaks re
solved,,, then the engine backfired during a start up and destroyed the
chain in the psru,,, that was or seemed to be the last straw before Lar
ry sold the plane.
I don't know if the new owner has or has not flown the plane. I have wond
ered the same thing during this thread.
boyd young mkIII
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From: | "Jerry Deckard" <flypoker(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
How far are you from Jonesboro? I am in SE Missouri about a hour north
of Jonesboro. We they having a fly in at the experimental strip?
Jerry
This is from a flight last weekend to Arkansas then back to
Tennessee. I flew some along the Mississippi on the way home. Hope
this video will load, I haven't loaded a video to this site before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOejtqgnPg0
--------
Dennis Long
Oakland TN
Kolb Firestar Owner
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Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
John, I must assume, then, that my aircraft had an ill considered
modification to the elevator trim linkage.
As for the rod ends,
"Rod ends have been known to literally come apart after the peening
retaining the ball races somehow failed allowing the bearings to become
disconnected. It is the wise builder who takes the precaution of installing
a large diameter washer between the nut and bearing to prevent its total
failure. To be successful in preventing this type of failure, the washer
must have a diameter somewhat larger than the hole in the bearing
flange.".....Tony Bingelis, "Sportplane Construction Techniques"
Tony made this recommendation about carburetor linkages, but I've found the
same recommendation for control surface linkages in plans for the Long EZ
and Varieze, among others.
If you like videos, EAA has this.
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1618638582
Did you not recount awhile back how, before adding aileron counterweights
you had to replace rod ends on a yearly basis as they wore? 60 cents worth
of washers seems like awfully cheap insurance to me.
"For want of a nail....a kingdom was lost."
Rick
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:13 PM, John Hauck wrote:
> I have MKIII sn: M3-011.
>
> Bro Jim and I were working at Homer's Dec 1990 to Mar 1991. Jim welded up
> MKIII fuselages and I inspected them from the very first, M3-001. We also
> built and modified my MKIII at night while there. Each morning, when Homer
> Kolb came to work, he would inspect and approve what Jim and I had done the
> night before.
>
> My MKIII has the current forward aileron bell crank. I believe they all
> do.
>
> BTW: I don't add fender washers to my rod end bearings. Haven't figured
> out how they could wear enough to separate. My MKIII rod end bearings have
> over 3,000.00 flight hours on them and they are quite serviceable. During
> my time flying Army helicopters, I do not remember fender washers being
> added to rod end bearings.
>
> I wanted to refresh my memory, so I walked over to the hanger and took a
> close look at Larry Cottrell's FSII rod end bearings on his aileron
> push/pull tubes. Looks like it would be pretty difficult to get the small
> AN 1/4 inch washer through the hole if the bronze bearing totally
> disintegrated.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> 7 miles south of Burns Junction, OR
>
>
> I purchased my brand new MkIIIC kit from "the Old Kolb Co" in* November
> 1998*. I DO have the updated bellcrank that
> you refer to
> Mike Welch
> MkIII
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | willuribe(at)aol.com |
Greetings,
I never experienced tail wag and I didn't always fly with my feet on the
rudder pedals. I have the standard springs that came with the kit.
Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II
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Subject: | Rod end security |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
John, I did some more digging in FAA publication AC 65-15A "Airframe &
Powerplant Mechanics Airframe Handbook" that might explain why you didn't
see any restraints to keep rod end bearings from coming loose and departing
the housing. On page 68, figure 2-61 is a cutaway view of rod end housing
that has a large flange on the bell crank side. The text accompanying the
drawing says, " It is possible for control rods with bearings to become
disconnected because of failure of the peening that retains the ball races
in the rod end. This can be avoided by installing control rods so that the
flange of the rod end is interposed between the rod end and anchored end of
the attaching pin or bolt as shown in figure 2-60. Another alternative is to
place a washer, having a diameter larger than the hole in the flange, under
the retaining nut on the end of the attaching pin or bolt."
I was able to cut the drawing from the page but the text caption didn't come
out the best in the transition to a jpg file.
I'm no helicopter mechanic, but that might explain why you didn't see large
area washers being used to safety the rod ends on helicopter controls. That
same capability was built into the rod end housing instead.
Rick
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
No, I didn't say that.
I did not have to change out aileron push/pull rod end bearings. I
changed out aileron push/pull rod end bearings that showed any sign of
play, 25 hours, 50 hours, whenever there was the slightest bit of play,
in an effort to prevent aileron flutter. Not because the ball was going
to pull out of the socket.
In my last post I shared I have aileron push/pull rod end bearings with
over 3,000.00 hours, lots of play/slop, and no aileron flutter with
aileron counterbalance weights installed.
I'm talking about 1/4" and 5/16" rod end bearings used on elevator and
aileron controls on Kolbs, not tiny rod ends used on throttle linkages.
There is a tremendous difference in durability and longevity between
tiny ones and large ones.
I have never seen or read a report where a 1/4" or larger rod end
bearing failed, especially on a Kolb.
First time I saw fender washers being used on rod end bearings was back
in the early days of ultralights. Probably came from the same book as
clear plastic fuel line so you can see your fuel. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Did you not recount awhile back how, before adding aileron
counterweights you had to replace rod ends on a yearly basis as they
wore? 60 cents worth of washers seems like awfully cheap insurance to
me.
"For want of a nail....a kingdom was lost."
Rick
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
I added the large washers to the controls on my UltraStar because it
definitely looked like a failed bushing could allow the bolt could pull
through the eye. Can't do any harm, and it adds peace of mind.
I recently replaced the larger (3/8") rod ends on my US engine mounts after
finding them badly worn. On these (I know because I just did it) the bolt
head and AN960 washer definitely could pass through the eye. I added AN970
washers there, too.
Does Kolb spec AN rod end bearings on the controls? On the US engine
mounts, at least, the drawings call out a commercial part number, not an AN
part, so the dimensions may be slightly different. I'm sure the Army
choppers used AN parts, though.
-Dana
At 01:13 PM 9/30/2010, John Hauck wrote:
>
>BTW: I don't add fender washers to my rod end bearings. Haven't figured
>out how they could wear enough to separate. My MKIII rod end bearings
>have over 3,000.00 flight hours on them and they are quite
>serviceable. During my time flying Army helicopters, I do not remember
>fender washers being added to rod end bearings.
>
>I wanted to refresh my memory, so I walked over to the hanger and took a
>close look at Larry Cottrell's FSII rod end bearings on his aileron
>push/pull tubes. Looks like it would be pretty difficult to get the small
>AN 1/4 inch washer through the hole if the bronze bearing totally
>disintegrated.
--
Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why don't we
send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use it any more.
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Someone wrote me a personal email wanting pictures and info on my HKS
installation and I have lost it and the email address. Please send
another and I will be glad to send you any pictures that you would like.
Larry
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
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From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
Here's a low res picture of Gillette castle>>
Seems a lot of trouble just to keep a few razors in.
Cheers
Pat
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From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
But in an ultralight there's no 500' rule; >>
Really? There certainly is in the UK. The `no flying over crowds towns
etc` has been waived and is now the same as for normal GA aircraft but
the proximity rule still holds for everyone
Pat
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From: | "Sheila Slinkard" <andysheila(at)eltopia.com> |
Subject: | Re: misplaced email |
Greetings, Larry,
Thanks for corresponding thru Matronics. We live in Mesa, WA. Eastern
Washington rancher for 40 years. Long time pilot and airplane builder,
Champ, Stinson, Cessna,Glasair, Benson and Barnet Gyros. Newly acquired
Kolb project.
Would like from you information to set up Firestar II with HKS 700E
engine. I would like the thrust line as low as possible yet retain
maximum propeller efficiency and clean aerodynamic profile with minimum
drag do to exposed engine parts and accessories. From reading all the
Matronics archives you seem to be the Guru. Pictures are worth a
thousand words.
New friend,
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: misplaced email
Someone wrote me a personal email wanting pictures and info on my HKS
installation and I have lost it and the email address. Please send
another and I will be glad to send you any pictures that you would like.
Larry
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
At 10:50 PM 9/30/2010, John Hauck wrote:
>
>I'm talking about 1/4" and 5/16" rod end bearings used on elevator and
>aileron controls on Kolbs, not tiny rod ends used on throttle
>linkages. There is a tremendous difference in durability and longevity
>between tiny ones and large ones.
I don't think it matters whether large or small, as long as the rod end is
loaded according to its design limits. The problem in a throttle linkage,
perhaps, is vibration, which probably causes a lot more wear than smoothly
operating controls.
> I have never seen or read a report where a 1/4" or larger rod end
> bearing failed, especially on a Kolb.
Well, the 3/8" ends in my engine mount didn't fail completely, but there
was about 1/16" of play in them, so it might not have been too long. Of
course a control rod end never would have gotten that bad, you'd catch it
as you check the linkages during preflight, but with the weight of the
engine always on the rod ends, you don't see the play unless you actually
lift the engine up.
Again, here, it's vibration... the 3/8" size is rated over 3000# each. I
have no idea how many hours were on these (or even on the plane) but my
guess is the rod ends were original with the plane.
> First time I saw fender washers being used on rod end bearings was back
> in the early days of ultralights. Probably came from the same book as
> clear plastic fuel line so you can see your fuel. ;-)
Must.... not.... go.... there.... :)
-Dana
--
"Gold cannot always get you good soldiers, but good soldiers can always
get you gold"-- Niccolo Machiavelli
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
At 07:34 AM 10/1/2010, Pat Ladd wrote:
>But in an ultralight there's no 500' rule; >>
>Really? There certainly is in the UK. The `no flying over crowds towns
>etc` has been waived and is now the same as for normal GA aircraft but the
>proximity rule still holds for everyone
Nope. True ultralights here are subject solely to the two pages of Part
103 which, while it does have the prohibition of flying over towns and
crowds, has no minimum altitude or proximity. Of course, they can get you
for "creating a hazard" which is sometimes seen as a rule against "impolite
flying"...
Remember, here an ultralight is not like your UK microlights which are
still registered aircraft. Here, a true UL (single seat, under 254#, etc.)
has no registration, inspection, or pilot certification requirements.
For registered aircraft, of course, the usual minimums (1000' over town,
500' away elsewhere) still apply... but a recent change exempts even
N-numbered powered parachutes and weight-shift aircraft from the 500' rule.
-Dana
--
"Gold cannot always get you good soldiers, but good soldiers can always
get you gold"-- Niccolo Machiavelli
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: new owner of an older kolb x kit |
Dana/Gang:
I'd guess there was a lot more load and wear in an engine mount
application than used as rod ends for ailerons.
Again, I am flying with rod ends on my aileron push/pull tubes with more
than 3,000.00 hours that are serviceable.
john h
mkIII
Well, the 3/8" ends in my engine mount didn't fail completely, but
there was about 1/16" of play in them, so it might not have been too
long. -Dana
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Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
From: | "Thumper" <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com> |
It is a UL airplane here in the USA so swooping I will go. I want to put larger
tires and brakes on it so I can takeoff from some of the sandbars.
Jerry
Yes it was at the classic airstrip and there were 34 planes on the field
with lots of flying going on. It was one of the busiest I have been at this year.
There is a lot of interest in the Ultralights again it seems.
In November they are having a parachute fly-in but I don't have the date. E-mail
me off line at dlong1957(at)yahoo.com and You might want to be on my MUSG e-mail
group to keep everyone notified of events in this area. I might fly up your
way just for the adventure, I have been thinking of flying up that way and visit
Lambert's for lunch anyway. I am always looking for Kolbs to fly with and
compare planes. I just sold my Ultrastar and bought this 90 Firestar KX. Dennis
Long
--------
Dennis Long
Oakland TN
1990 Kolb Firestar KX
80+ hours since June
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Subject: | Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X |
Hi Guys,
been lurking and working on finishing my M3X, its only taken me 10yrs! But
the end of construction is near and I'm finishing up the final details.
Question:- I have a Jabiru 2200 mounted and am looking for a Carb heater.
I can get an electric one from Sky-Craft in the UK.
Does anyone else use one of these in the USA and is there any source here?
I live in california. I understand some people fly without this and am cur
ious why.
I'm also putting a 4inch prop extension on my engine to get my Prince prop
5.5 inches away from the rear of the Fuselage. What do other folks have?
I would appreciate input from anybody with a Jabiru powered Kolb and how th
ey dealt with these issue.
As soon as I get my nose cone and windshield on I'll post some photos befor
e I start the test flying. (Just in case!)
I'm also looking for a trailer if there is anyone in the bay area trying to
sell one.
Frank D
Mark III Xtra
S/N 00400015
Jabiru 2200.
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From: | McCarthy Tom <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com> |
I am in the final stage of installing a HKS on my Slingshot. My question to those
that have done it on any Kolb are, what gearbox ratio, and is it installed
up or down, and what prop type and size are you running. My configuration is
a 3.47 gear box mounted up, and a borrowed 68" 3 blade warp set to 17 1/2 degree
pitch. There is plenty of room to install up to a 72", but I'm trying to
get the most speed and compromise climb. any input would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom McCarthy
N514 TM Zenith 601HD 240 hrs
N414 TM Kolb Firestar 377, 594 hrs
N863 GB Kolb Slingshot 154 hrs
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Subject: | Carb heater for Jabiru M3X. |
Hi Guys,
been lurking and working on finishing my M3X, its only taken me 10yrs! But
the end of construction is near and I'm finishing up the final details.
Question:- I have a Jabiru 2200 mounted and am looking for a Carb heater.
I can get an electric one from Sky-Craft in the UK.
Does anyone else use one of these in the USA and is there any source here?
I live in california. I understand some people fly without this and am cur
ious why.
I'm also putting a 4inch prop extension on my engine to get my Prince prop
5.5 inches away from the rear of the Fuselage. What do other folks have?
I would appreciate input from anybody with a Jabiru powered Kolb and how th
ey dealt with these issue.
As soon as I get my nose cone and windshield on I'll post some photos befor
e I start the test flying. (Just in case!)
I'm also looking for a trailer if there is anyone in the bay area trying to
sell one.
Frank D
Mark III Xtra
S/N 00400015
Jabiru 2200.
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | sorta kinda kolb related |
Hey guys, I stumbled on a great source. I was looking for some bearings for my
-------- and the only local availability was
$20 per. This outfit mailed me a bag of ten for $15.00. For the shipping method
I checked the "take your time" box (cheap)
and they arrived in two days. After some of the mail order hassles I've been through
this year, this order was a pleasant surprise.
-Yah, I know they are probably cheap chinese junk but in the tough environment
these are in it makes no difference.
I'd use them in a minute for my Kolb wheel bearings. I may order some of those
too.
http://www.vxb.com/
BB
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Video of flying the Mississippi |
Dennis K/Gang:
John W also corrected me in properly identifying my MKIII.
-Initial contact with a control tower: Experimental Kolb 101AB.
-Subsequent transmissions: Kolb 1AB.
-Initial non towered airports: Kolb 1AB.
-Subsequent transmissions: 1AB.
Most folks that fly experimental aircraft use: Experimental and the
tail number. However, John W said that could be a 65 mph FS or a 180
mph RV.
john h
mkIII
So instead of fighting the system, I eventually gave in, and began
referring to myself on the radio as "Ultralight niner three delta kilo."
But when I had this conversation with John Williamson a few years ago,
in his wisdom and perpetual quest for correctness, he recommended I NOT
identify myself as "ultralight," but rather continue to use the correct
nomenclature, like "Experimental Kolb 93DK," or "Light Sport 93DK."
"Do it the right way," he told me. I'll always remember that.
Dennis Kirby
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
My configuration is a 3.47 gear box mounted up, and a borrowed 68" 3
blade warp set to 17 1/2 degree pitch. There is plenty of room to
install up to a 72", but I'm trying to get the most speed and compromise
climb. any input would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom,
Here is my installation on a Fire Star II. I have a Warp 2 blade 66
inch Prop. You might talk to Jerry Olenek @ Green Sky Adventures since
he has installed a HKS on a Slingshot prior to mine.
mail(at)greenskyadventures.com
Larry
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which includes my email address.
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From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
I'm thinking try what you've got for a while. I am using a two bladed 68" Ivo with
a 582 (which makes a tad more power) but a taller ratio 2.58 B box and it
is working really good.
I reserve the right to be wrong, but with about 60 horsepower on tap, I wouldn't
go any longer on diameter. 68" of diameter will give you lots of climb - originally
the MKIII had a 64" three blade Ivo with a 532, and 3 blades was too much,
the 532 didn't have the torque to turn it correctly, so I took it down to
2 blades and that was a good combination of climb and economical cruise, plus
it burned less gas at cruise than a 503.
.
Then went to a 66" two blade Ivo and the climb improved, but the cruise was unchanged.
The 532 then spun the shaft gear just as I heard about a freshly zero'd
582 with a new box, so I upgraded and simultaneously went to a 68" two blade
prop. Climb improved some more, no change in cruise, but it uses more gas.
Not sure how all that relates to an HKS with a slower gearbox, sort of an apples
and oranges thing, but I guess I said all that to say that with around 60 HP
on tap, anything bigger than 68" could turn out to be a bit much.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | 1ST Annual Lake Michigan Shore Line & Sand Dune Fly In |
From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Jim Swan and Ted Woodall just left for home in their Kolb Firestars. We had
a great time trading lies and airplane talk since Wednesday. Oh yes had a
great time flying the the Lake Michigan shore line and sand dunes. Attached
are photos of a ship wreck just off shore from my house and photo of me
flying low near the channel to Ludington's harbor. The last photo is a photo
of Little Sable Point on the west shore of Lake Michigan, Our house
overlooks the lake with sand dunes in the back ground with Silver Lake
behind.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Richard, I've been running a 68" 4 blade Powerfin on my HKS powered trike
for 170 hours now and I don't see the problem you're concerned about. I set
the pitch to give 5900 RPM in climb (about 57 to 58 HP depending on how you
interpolate on the power curve and it works just fine.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> I'm thinking try what you've got for a while. I am using a two bladed 68"
> Ivo with a 582 (which makes a tad more power) but a taller ratio 2.58 B box
> and it is working really good.
>
> I reserve the right to be wrong, but with about 60 horsepower on tap, I
> wouldn't go any longer on diameter. 68" of diameter will give you lots of
> climb - originally the MKIII had a 64" three blade Ivo with a 532, and 3
> blades was too much, the 532 didn't have the torque to turn it correctly, so
> I took it down to 2 blades and that was a good combination of climb and
> economical cruise, plus it burned less gas at cruise than a 503.
> .
>
> Then went to a 66" two blade Ivo and the climb improved, but the cruise was
> unchanged. The 532 then spun the shaft gear just as I heard about a freshly
> zero'd 582 with a new box, so I upgraded and simultaneously went to a 68"
> two blade prop. Climb improved some more, no change in cruise, but it uses
> more gas.
>
> Not sure how all that relates to an HKS with a slower gearbox, sort of an
> apples and oranges thing, but I guess I said all that to say that with
> around 60 HP on tap, anything bigger than 68" could turn out to be a bit
> much.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314345#314345
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Tom,
You are aware that the HKS has about the same performance of a 503, I
am sure. I have heard that they are using the same engine with a Turbo
and getting 100 hp out of it. I hesitate to suggest that a higher thrust
line would not be beneficial, but if I were you I would check it out
before I got too serious about it.
Larry
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which includes my email address.
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From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Subject: | Re: Survey flight |
NICE pic Dana! -- and yes, I do recognize it. I'd know Yankee Stadium
anywhere
Russ
On Sep 30, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
> Here's a low res picture (cut from a video from a camera mounted on
> the wing of my UltraStar)... this is for the UK guys... we have
> some castles in New England too!
>
> Bill and Russ will of course recognize where this is...
>
> -Dana
>
>
> At 08:00 AM 9/30/2010, william sullivan wrote:
>> Keep sending the photos. When I have sent photos, Windows will
>> ask me if I want to reduce the size of the pictures. These are
>> the ones that appear at the top of peoples' messages. When you
>> click on them, they enlarge. Love seeing the photos- from a New
>> Englander's standpoint, you are sending them from a different planet.
>>
>
> --
> Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why
> don't we send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use
> it any more.
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Subject: | Re: Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X |
From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
I have installed both style Carb heat systems on Jabiru engines Theres no
thing wrong with either but I would not fly without any carb heat
You only have one venturi feeding 4 cylinders and the air velocity can be
great enough to collect a lot of moisture and freez in there quite fast
I wired the electric system up so low heat was on at all times but you co
uld switch it to hi heat if you really thought you had the conditions for
carb ice and this doesnt change the RPMS when you have it on like the hea
t from a muffler directly ducted to the carb this will change your RPMS wh
en you add carb heat
just my input on what I have done
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: fducker(at)aol.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2010 1:03 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X
Hi Guys,
been lurking and working on finishing my M3X, its only taken me 10yrs! Bu
t the end of construction is near and I'm finishing up the final details.
Question:- I have a Jabiru 2200 mounted and am looking for a Carb heater.
I can get an electric one from Sky-Craft in the UK.
Does anyone else use one of these in the USA and is there any source here
? I live in california. I understand some people fly without this and am
curious why.
I'm also putting a 4inch prop extension on my engine to get my Prince prop
5.5 inches away from the rear of the Fuselage. What do other folks have?
I would appreciate input from anybody with a Jabiru powered Kolb and how
they dealt with these issue.
As soon as I get my nose cone and windshield on I'll post some photos befo
re I start the test flying. (Just in case!)
I'm also looking for a trailer if there is anyone in the bay area trying
to sell one.
Frank D
Mark III Xtra
S/N 00400015
Jabiru 2200.
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Subject: | Re: Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X |
From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hello Frank !
Glad to hear of another Jabiru in the clan ! I have the one from http://www.xairireland.com and have been very happy with it.This past spring ,after about 125 hrs with no problem,I was flying on a cool,damp day and she froze up tight! It didn't quit,but I could not throttle it down to land,so I killed the mags and dead sticked her in to the airport with no problems.After getting out of the airplane to take a look.there was water pouring out of the carb as the ice was melting ! I then ordered one and installed it and have not had a problem since!Funny thing is,you never need it,until you need it ! lol I would put something on for carb heat...
What Prince prop did you get? I have a Sensenich ...well...I am waiting for a prop
like the one I had...( They don't like screwdrivers...) and it's going on
16 weeks now to try and get them to finish one ! what size do you have??
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru A-2200 153.00 hrs
N327CS
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Subject: | Re: Carb heater for Jabiru 2200 on M3X |
From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
....oh yeah....I think I have the same extention as you....also if you go to youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_aMrZ_hlk I have a bunch of videod to look at and a walk around to see the plane....if your interested..
chris ambrose
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From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
rickofudall wrote:
> Richard, I've been running a 68" 4 blade Powerfin on my HKS powered trike for
170 hours now and I don't see the problem you're concerned about. I set the pitch
to give 5900 RPM in climb (about 57 to 58 HP depending on how you interpolate
on the power curve and it works just fine.
> Rick Girard
>
>
What is your speed range? I bet the prop is quiet with that ratio?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
I have the 3.45 gearbox. Yes, the quietness of the engine and prop are
commented on often. Depending on the wing I run on it I tend to keep the RPM
fairly low. With the 19M wing I rarely run it over 5000 RPM in cruise. With
the 14.5 I'll go to 5400. Those are the settings that get an efficient hands
off the bar cruise. If I push the RPM up I just get a workout pulling the
bar in, but no extra speed for the excess gas it burns.
Rick
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
>
> rickofudall wrote:
> > Richard, I've been running a 68" 4 blade Powerfin on my HKS powered trike
> for 170 hours now and I don't see the problem you're concerned about. I set
> the pitch to give 5900 RPM in climb (about 57 to 58 HP depending on how you
> interpolate on the power curve and it works just fine.
> > Rick Girard
> >
> >
>
>
> What is your speed range? I bet the prop is quiet with that ratio?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314377#314377
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | Re: 1ST Annual Lake Michigan Shore Line & Sand Dune Fly In |
From: | "cspoke" <cspoke(at)gulftel.com> |
Wow Rick, Jim and Ted. Your pictures of flying along Lake Michigan make me a little
homesick for the times when I lived up there in Michigan. Thanks for the
memories.
--------
Craig Spoke
Mark 111 Xtra
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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From: | McCarthy Tom <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com> |
I should have been a little more specific on my original post, I know
better after being a long time lurker. I purchased the HKS with 50hrs
on it that was on a trike with a 71" arplast ?sp I believe, it was
reduced to a one blade when I got it. The real trick here is the gear
box. I had to pitch the borrowed 68" Warp to 17 1/2 degrees to get the
static rpm to 6000rpm, which I consider to be already marginal. It's
the higher thrust line that I'm worried about. I might be able to turn
the gear box down, and shim up the motor a bit,to get the 68" to fit,
and after reading Richard's post, I wonder if a 4 blade might work as
well. I'm not sure if a longer prop up higher,or a shorter blade lower
is best, that's why I put it out there. I see a lot of 912 drivers are
using 72", which Daryl said would work on this HKS, and thought that was
the way to go at first. I'm hoping to get it up in the air again in the
next week or so to try it as is. I think the HP rating should be fine
for this bird, as it will only be a single seater with cargo space. I
bought the Slingshot to replace the Firestar 5 rib, that couldn't be
upgraded to a four stroke, and had no room to carry anything. Flying
the Slingshot is nothing short of a hoot, I look forward to dialing it
in, just as the original Firestar/377 is.
Thanks again,
Tom McCarthy
N514 TM Zenith 601HD 240 hrs
N414 TM Kolb Firestar 377, 594 hrs
N863 GB Kolb Slingshot 154 hrs
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From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Tom
I don't know much about the HKS or the Slingshot but I have played around
with props on my VW powered MKIIIC. I would recommend the longer prop. You
just get more thrust with the longer prop and you are a bit low on power so
why not make it as efficient as possible. The down side might be the the
long prop will not have the speed range of a shorter prop. I still think you
can pitch the prop for cruise which will give you maybe less than optimal
RPMs for takeoff but overall more thrust. This is really a black art but
Kolbs like long slow props. Kolbs also like lower thrust lines as possible
but the higher thrust line is better if you use it all with a longer
prop. Also check with the HKS guy I know they put a HKS on a Slingshot.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:26 AM, McCarthy Tom wrote:
> I should have been a little more specific on my original post, I know
> better after being a long time lurker. I purchased the HKS with 50hrs on it
> that was on a trike with a 71" arplast ?sp I believe, it was reduced to a
> one blade when I got it. The real trick here is the gear box. I had to
> pitch the borrowed 68" Warp to 17 1/2 degrees to get the static rpm to
> 6000rpm, which I consider to be already marginal. It's the higher thrust
> line that I'm worried about. I might be able to turn the gear box down, and
> shim up the motor a bit,to get the 68" to fit, and after reading Richard's
> post, I wonder if a 4 blade might work as well. I'm not sure if a longer
> prop up higher,or a shorter blade lower is best, that's why I put it out
> there. I see a lot of 912 drivers are using 72", which Daryl said would
> work on this HKS, and thought that was the way to go at first. I'm hoping
> to get it up in the air again in the next week or so to try it as is. I
> think the HP rating should be fine for this bird, as it will only be a
> single seater with cargo space. I bought the Slingshot to replace the
> Firestar 5 rib, that couldn't be upgraded to a four stroke, and had no room
> to carry anything. Flying the Slingshot is nothing short of a hoot, I look
> forward to dialing it in, just as the original Firestar/377 is.
>
> Thanks again,
> *
>
> Tom McCarthy N514 TM Zenith 601HD 240 hrs N414 TM Kolb Firestar 377, 594
> hrs N863 GB Kolb Slingshot 154 hrs
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: sorta kinda kolb related |
All I know is that I have had bad luck with cheap Chinese bearings in
the past evey time I've used them. If somebody offers me an unknown
"equivalent" I ask where it's from, and if it's from China, no thanks.
Same is true for rubber products (belts, vibration mounts, etc.).
-Dana
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robert bean wrote:
(10/01/2010 14:38)
>
> Hey guys, I stumbled on a great source. I was looking for some bearings for
my -------- and the only local availability was
> $20 per. This outfit mailed me a bag of ten for $15.00. For the shipping method
I checked the "take your time" box (cheap)
> and they arrived in two days. After some of the mail order hassles I've been
through this year, this order was a pleasant surprise.
> -Yah, I know they are probably cheap chinese junk but in the tough environment
these are in it makes no difference.
> I'd use them in a minute for my Kolb wheel bearings. I may order some of those
too.
>
> http://www.vxb.com/
>
> BB
>
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Kolbers: I checked through some of the archives and didn't see anything on this,
so I'll offer some.
I had recently bought another cheapo Harbor Fright click type torque wrench and
checked it against
a Sears beam type. The beams are very consistent and durable but lack good resolution
and convenience.
If you do use this method for calibration be sure to hold the pivot handle on the
beam wrench in
a free position and not touching fore or aft as this changes the arm.
This wrench was the little $20 in lb model that goes from 20 to 200 inch lbs.
1/4" drive
It was fairly close but lacks some linear accuracy . -that is if you correct it
at, for instance, 100 in lbs, it will be
slightly off at 175. The best way to overcome this deficiency would be to correct
it for the setting you use most and
attach a little chart to the handle for others.
So, curiosity leading me on, I checked another old clicker I had, a longer handle
3/8" drive that I had used for a long time.
I had checked it several years ago and was satisfied with the accuracy. -Not so
this time. It had gotten off by
an unacceptable degree. This model is very easy to adjust, with a little window
for a screwdriver to stick in the handle.
-again, linear accuracy is not perfect.
I would imagine that a real, industrial quality torque wrench would be more accurate
but all the clickers will shift
over time and use. Two things to remember: in spite of what you may have been
told, do not adjust them to slack.
Always leave a small tension on the adjustment. This keeps the workings from shifting
around and possibly
goofing up the calibration. two: each time you use the wrench (and after every
setting change) click it
several times before doing the actual torque.
BB
all torqued up
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From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
Subject: | Ultralight/LSA confusion |
**
Even at airports with control towers, after identifying myself (as
above), as soon as the tower controller sights my Kolb, he'll come back
with, "Ultralight three delta kilo, cleared to land." Sheesh! (In the
famous words of Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon!")
So instead of fighting the system, I eventually gave in, and began
referring to myself on the radio as "Ultralight niner three delta kilo."
But when I had this conversation with John Williamson a few years ago,
in his wisdom and perpetual quest for correctness, he recommended I NOT
identify myself as "ultralight," but rather continue to use the correct
nomenclature, like "Experimental Kolb 93DK," or "Light Sport 93DK."
"Do it the right way," he told me. I'll always remember that.
Dennis/All;
While GA pilots may be confused and uninformed about the difference between
ultralight and LSA aircraft, you'd think that the instruction manual would
get it right. Wrong! Check the attachment of a page from the Jeppesen
ground school textbook. Two people enjoying the ride.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
**
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From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: sorta kinda kolb related |
- We tried all brands of wheel bearings in the trucking business, and the
brand that outlasted all the rest was Timken.- The rest would chip, or t
he chrome would flake off, or rust when the trailer had been parked in deep
water.- This was with both domestic and foreign makes.- If you have a
choice, get Timken.- I don't think the price was all that different.
-
do not acrhive
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--- Bill Sullivan
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--- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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--- FS 447
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I just wonder why you are putting an HKS on a slingshot ??? This engine is really
to small for that plane. It will probably fly but you will have a big compromise
in speed and climb. I believe it will get off the ground, but these
planes are so much more enjoyable when they are not underpowered. The best engine
choice for that plane is the Rotax 912-S.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Tom,
The only thing that I would worry about is the higher thrust line.
Mine with the HKS and a 66 inch prop climbs when I give it power rather
than cause me to hold up elevator. Mine is trimmed to 5300 and 5800
gives me about 200 fpm climb.
Your plane, your choices!
Larry
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From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Larry, Do you mean to say at WOT climb, you're only getting 200 fpm? I've
measured the climb in my trike with a variometer on days from 60 to 100
degrees and the worst I ever got was 500 fpm at 800 lb. all up. On cooler
days I've seem 800 fpm and that was with the smaller speed wing.
Rick
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> Tom,
> The only thing that I would worry about is the higher thrust line. Mine
> with the HKS and a 66 inch prop climbs when I give it power rather than
> cause me to hold up elevator. Mine is trimmed to 5300 and 5800 gives me
> about 200 fpm climb.
> Your plane, your choices!
> Larry
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Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | How well does the HKS work on a Kolb? |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
The thread concerning the HKS really intrigues me - my first ride in a Kolb was
in a basic Twinstar, the one with the open front end and a single carb 46 horse
503, and it performed VERY well with that combination, but it was obviously
much lighter than my MKIII.
I also got to fly a single carb (46 horse) 503 powered MKIII 2 up (Kolb used to
offer that as one of the options) it was built very light, and it had all the
performance of a Cessna 150... IOW it was a real dog.
Obviously there is a lot of difference between a 46 horse 503 and a 60 horse HKS,
I suspect that possibly the 4-stroke torque of the HKS would make it not all
that much less that the way my MKIII performed with the original 532, which
was quite acceptable.
So my question is: Who out there is using an HKS, what are using it on, what does
your airplane weigh, and how do you like it?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Rick G/Gang:
How does the trike compare to the FSII in performance/weight, etc?
I guess the line of thrust on the trike (which I know very little to
nothing about) is below the wing and the FSII above the wing.
Did not realize the trike, all up, weighed that much, 800 lbs.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, OR
Larry, Do you mean to say at WOT climb, you're only getting 200 fpm?
I've measured the climb in my trike with a variometer on days from 60 to
100 degrees and the worst I ever got was 500 fpm at 800 lb. all up. On
cooler days I've seem 800 fpm and that was with the smaller speed wing.
Rick
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Larry, Do you mean to say at WOT climb, you're only getting 200 fpm
No, not at all. Well perhaps it seemed that I did. I have the plane
trimmed to 5300 rpm hands off. When I increase the rpms to 5800 it
climbs at 200 or more fpm hands off. On my trip to Burns recently, I
left the rpm's at 5800 and was able to cruise at 67 MPH (GPS) and still
climb to 7000 feet before I reached the Mountains that I needed to
clear, and still only burn 3 gph.
Larry
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From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Subject: | Re: How well does the HKS work on a Kolb? |
Obviously there is a lot of difference between a 46 horse 503 and a 60
horse HKS, I suspect that possibly the 4-stroke torque of the HKS would
make it not all that much less that the way my MKIII performed with the
original 532, which was quite acceptable.
So my question is: Who out there is using an HKS, what are using it on,
what does your airplane weigh, and how do you like it?
Richard,
With the increased weight of the HKS along with the increased HP my
take off performance is worse than it was with the 503 however the
cruise is faster by about 4 MPH. and the climb is better by about 250
fpm.
I do not have a correct weight for my Firestar II, but with me and full
gas, (10 gal) I believe that it weighs about 700 lbs. Using bathroom
scales and in as unscientific a manner as is possible I came up with 460
lbs empty.
The value for me is the increase in rebuild time and fuel savings. The
answer for me is yes its worth it.
Larry
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From: | George Bearden <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
> I bought the Slingshot to replace the Firestar 5 rib, that couldn't be
upgraded to a four stroke
I have a Firestar I with 5 ribs, that I have never flown. I have been planning
to install a Generac on it. Could you tell me why the 5 rib couldn't be upgraded
to a 4-stroke?
Thanks
GeoB
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From: | George Bearden <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: sorta kinda kolb related |
> All I know is that I have had bad luck with cheap Chinese bearings
I expect lots of ppl will chime in with horror stories, so I will be brief. They
fail quickly. The Chinese gov't has said that they will be taking steps to raise
the quality of Chinese made products but I don't know how long it will take.
I own a Chinese-made quad- uh, well, several of them. I have some Honda 70 & 110cc
engine knock-offs, I have several Honda GX200 knockoffs. I am going to wait
a few years before buying anything else Chinese. I have a ton of Chinese tools
from Harbor Freight. I suspect most of us do. Most of these seem to work out
ok FOR THE PRICE.
GeoB
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From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Tom,
Your signature states that you have 154 hours in a Slingshot. What engine have
you been flying the slingshot with prior to installing the HKS? The reason I ask
is that what you are accustomed to will have some bearing on what your expectations
are for the HKS powered Slingshot.
As a frame of reference, my 80 hp Slingshot, which is a direct drive Jabiru with
2 blade 64" wood prop, accelerates at a phenomenal rate during take-off run
but does have a lot of nose down pitch moment at full throttle with the rather
high thrust line, so I usually don't use full throttle until I'm airborne and
up to Vy. At 800 lbs, my typical flying weight, on a warm day it climbs at about
800 fpm from a 700' elevation field. I normally cruise at about 60-65% power
at 80-82 mph TAS at low density altitudes and about 4-5 mph faster than that
at higher DAs.
The same airplane with an 80 hp Rotax will climb better with a bigger, slower turning
prop but the cruise speed is likely about the same at the same power setting.
I am guessing that the PSRU equipped HKS with the right prop should climb
nearly as well as my direct drive 80 hp. At 60-65% power setting I would expect
the HKS powered Slingshot to cruise at about 73-75 mph TAS at low DA and
3-4 mph faster up high. The Slingshot, like all Kolbs hits a speed wall so adding
much more power gives rapidly diminishing returns in terms of speed vs fuel
burn.
Hope this helps.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Being that you do not have an excess of power, you will probably be better off
with a longer prop. A shorter prop with more blades is great for producing high
speed thrust, but is very inefficient at the slow speeds where your Kolb will
fly. You will just be giving away performance and HP with a shorter prop.
As far as the higher thrust line, I have never flown a slingshot, so I can no help
you much on the specifics of how that model will be affected by thrust line.
The better thrust and performance of a larger prop as slower speeds applies
to all planes ( when kept within reason, and Daryl at warp drive knows his stuff
and will not let you go too big ). I have a fairly high thrust line on
my MK III and it does not bother me at all, you just have to be aware of it.
Dealing with a high thrust line becomes second nature with a few hours in the
airplane and I do not even think about it anymore, I just fly and enjoy the plane
and the great acceleration and climb :) In my plane, I would not give
up any performance for a lower thrust line in my Kolb, dealing with the higher
thrust line it is just a non issue for me.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
stolspeed(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> This was completely corrected by installing vortex generators to sides of the
fuselage.
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Vortex generators also improve a lot of things when installed on the wings of a
Kolb :)
Mike
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
I think tail way is an inaccurate description of rudder flutter.
On a 912 powered Kolb the prop blast hits the vertical stabilizer and rudder
on the left side. When the rudder is pushed to the right by the prop blast
it hits the airstream on the right side of the vertical stabilizer which
kicks it back to the left. Once this starts, usually because there is no
pressure on the rudder pedals, it accelerates with larger and larger
excursions. I have never let it progress to a dangerous level, and I really
do not know what that level would be. However, a little foot pressure on
the rudder pedals stops it immediately.
On a Rotax two stroke engine the prop blast hits the right side of the
vertical stab and rudder. Rudder is pushed left by the prob blast and the
air stream kicks it back to the right, and so it starts and grows.
Before I installed two springs on each rudder pedal, I would usually become
aware of the rudder flutter when I noticed the wing tips shuffling slightly
fore and aft. Doesn't take much rudder.
Again, my own personal opinion and observations of rudder flutter on all my
Kolbs; US, FS, MKIII, and most other Kolbs I have flown over the years. I
think it is more annoying than dangerous unless allowed to progress
unchecked.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, OR
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From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
John, I have the little wing rigged as tight as I can get it and 55 is a
comfortable cruise. I could get 60 out of it but I'd have to either put the
cg so far forward to keep the nose down or spend the entire flight straining
against it. At 55 she flies hands off. Meadowlark's max gross is 1000 lb
which gives her a 423 lb useful load with a full tank.
Rick
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> Larry, Do you mean to say at WOT climb, you're only getting 200 fpm
>
> No, not at all. Well perhaps it seemed that I did. I have the plane trimmed
> to 5300 rpm hands off. When I increase the rpms to 5800 it climbs at 200 or
> more fpm hands off. On my trip to Burns recently, I left the rpm's at 5800
> and was able to cruise at 67 MPH (GPS) and still climb to 7000 feet before I
> reached the Mountains that I needed to clear, and still only burn 3 gph.
> Larry
>
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582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
> I am in the final stage of installing a HKS on my Slingshot. My question to those
that have done it on any Kolb are, what gearbox ratio, and is it installed
up or down, and what prop type and size are you running. My configuration is
a 3.47 gear box mounted up, and a borrowed 68" 3 blade warp set to 17 1/2 degree
pitch. There is plenty of room to install up to a 72", but I'm trying to get
the most speed and compromise climb. any input would be appreciated.
Thom,
Here is a link to Jerry Olenik's report on flight testing an HKS on a Slingshot.
www.greenskyadventures.com/EnginePricing/HKS/Kolb/image.htm
I watched Jerry fly this Slingshot around the pattern in January of '08 at his
home field in Forida. It performed fine, and Jerry goes about 210 lbs. or so.
I don't see why your Slingshot should perform any differently with the HKS.
I had Jerry install an HKS on my Firestar II in July of '09. I've got 140 hrs
on the engine and have had no trouble with it at all. My FS II weighs 435 lbs.
empty no fuel, and 750 lbs. or so w/ me, 13 gal fuel, & some gear. I get a 550-700
fpm best climb rate on average. Mine has the 2.58 gearbox and a 66" 2-blade
Powerfin prop.
Good luck with your project -
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Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Tom,
After looking closely at some photos I took of Jerry flying the HKS powered Slingshot,
I noticed the N# is 863GB. That would be your plane.
I guess the guy you bought it from removed the HKS for some reason. Well, at least
you now know it's had one on before.
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Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 10/03/10 |
I have been listening to all of you talk about thrust line, etc on your
kolbs. Some Slingshot talk also. I am wondering at this point if the
slingshot people have raised the rear of their engine. If you do not, the
thrust will literally push you over. I learned this over five hundred hours
ago. Mike Highsmith put me up to it and he was very correct. I have the
912 ul raised in the rear off the mounts 7/8s of an inch higher than the
front mount. You see, the angle of attack of the wing on the slingshot is
only 9 degrees rather than the 12 degrees of the average other kolbs. The
boom of the slingshot flies mostly straight and level at most speeds,
including very fast. It does not continually rise as do the MkIIIs and
such. If you do not raise the engine in the rear it will push you over and
the faster you go the worse it gets. It will work against itself. On
take-off I learned very quickly (thanks to Hauck) you only use 75 to 80
percent power until you wheels are clear and you are climbing. Relieves the
torque both to the left and nosing over. If you need further information or
pics, let me know. I would think 60 hp from an HK would be rather slow for
a slingshot. It has such a short wing it needs power to sustain flight. I
found a 582 was good but a 912 put some of the weight forward and worked
wonders. Actually flew better than the 582. I would not want to fly it
with less than 65 hps. Of course, I only burn 3 gals an hour at 80/85 mph
cruise compared to the 4/5 gals an hour with the 582. I also went to a
longer three blade taper point from warp. Too bad I still have the rom, rom
in the engine but thanks to a better muffler system, it is tolerable now.
Trial and error brought me to the answers and I hope you have good luck on
your experimentation away from a workable solution. Ted Cowan, Alabama
912UL zoom zoom.
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From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 10/03/10 |
I decided to send a pic of my little slingshot idling, waiting to take off.
Note the angle of the blade in relation to the boom. Ted Cowan
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From: | McCarthy Tom <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com> |
I have a Firestar I with 5 ribs, that I have never flown. I have been
planning
to install a Generac on it. Could you tell me why the 5 rib couldn't be
upgraded
to a 4-stroke?
Thanks
Geo
George,
First of all, I make no claims to be an authority on Kolbs, that job
clearly belongs to several others on this list that I have great respect
for and appreciate very much. My post should have read, "I" wouldn't
upgrade a 5 rib Firestar with a four stroke. I believe that Homer
designed it only with the 377 Rotax in mind, and I would be cautious to
add any more weight on top, and even more afraid of the vibrations that
the Generac will create on the entire airframe. When I bought this
Firestar many years ago, it had 178 hours on it and I weighed 180 LBS,
and the plane weighed 325 LBS, its performance was incredible, all with
35 HP Rotax. I now weigh 215LBS before breakfast, and the performance is
still very adequate. If you read between the lines, I guess what I'm
saying is to consider a 377 instead of the Generac, it has done well for
me over 500 hours. I have experimented quite a bit along the way with
different motors, and the 377 performed overall the best "for me". Just
for reference, I found that the 447 was OK, but did the same thing using
more gas, and felt overpowered, and could exceed my VNE of 90 in a
blink. Believe it or not, the smoothest motor was a 2SI 460(new Cayuna),
but I got tired of it being finicky and put it on the shelf- If you were
local, I would let you try it for yourself. I flew 2 1/2 hours yesterday
low and slow- until I couldn't feel my bottom side anymore, and still
love the Firestar as much as when I got it. I'll have to part with it
soon as 3 planes do not fit well in the hanger.
Tom McCarthy
N514 TM Zenith 601HD 240 hrs
N414 TM Kolb Firestar 377, 594 hrs
N863 GB Kolb Slingshot 154 hrs
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From: | McCarthy Tom <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com> |
Tom,
Your signature states that you have 154 hours in a Slingshot. What
engine have
you been flying the slingshot with prior to installing the HKS?
The reason I ask
is that what you are accustomed to will have some bearing on what
your expectations
are for the HKS powered Slingshot.
Thom,
Sorry for being misleading about the hours, the plane has 154 hours, I
only put 8 on it, and that was with a borrowed 532 Rotax with a 2.58
gearbox and a 66"GSC 3 blade prop I had laying around. The motor never
ran properly from the start, with cooling issues and a dead spot 5100
and 5900 RPM. What I saw I did like very much, max climb on a standard
day 1400fpm, and it got to 80mph quickly, but started to overheat
immediately, so I never saw a top end. I'm curious about one thing
Thom, is you motor mounted parallel with the frame, or lifted up in the
back around 7degrees? After my first couple flights, I talked to 2 other
slingshot owners, and they both told me to raise the motor in the back
about 1 1/2 inches to improve the thrust line, which I did and it made
quite a difference.
With a perfect forecast for the week, and around a busy work schedule, I
hope to get it back in the air.
Thanks again,
Tom McCarthy
N514 TM Zenith 601HD 240 hrs
N414 TM Kolb Firestar 377, 594 hrs
N863 GB Kolb Slingshot 154 hrs
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From: | McCarthy Tom <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com> |
Being that you do not have an excess of power, you will probably
be better off
with a longer prop. A shorter prop with more blades is great for
producing high
speed thrust, but is very inefficient at the slow speeds where
your Kolb will
fly. You will just be giving away performance and HP with a
shorter prop.
Mike,
I tend to agree that a longer prop is the way to go. I'll start out with
this borrowed 68" 3 blade Warp and go from there.
Tom McCarthy
N514 TM Zenith 601HD 240 hrs
N414 TM Kolb Firestar 377, 594 hrs
N863 GB Kolb Slingshot 154 hrs
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From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
that is still a lot of prop for the HKS. My suzuki is rated somewhere
around 58 hp and I settled on a two blade 70" warp.
It is a perfect match.
BB
On 4, Oct 2010, at 12:12 PM, McCarthy Tom wrote:
>
>
> Being that you do not have an excess of power, you will probably
be better off
> with a longer prop. A shorter prop with more blades is great
for producing high
> speed thrust, but is very inefficient at the slow speeds where
your Kolb will
> fly. You will just be giving away performance and HP with a
shorter prop.
>
> Mike,
>
> I tend to agree that a longer prop is the way to go. I'll start out
with this borrowed 68" 3 blade Warp and go from there.
>
> Tom McCarthy
> N514 TM Zenith 601HD 240 hrs
> N414 TM Kolb Firestar 377, 594 hrs
> N863 GB Kolb Slingshot 154 hrs
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Subject: | tail boom question |
From: | "awcbs" <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
after inspecting the pieces of the mark 3 extra kit I just purchased, It looks
like the previous owner fitted the rudder and stabilizer on one end. then must
of figured something wasn't right and took it off and fitted to the other end.
so there are rivet holes it the end of the tube that attaches to the fuse. does
any one see a problem with using the tube? any structural issues, not to worried
about cosmetics as it looks like all the holes will be inside the cage.
some have rivets put back in the holes
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From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: tail boom question |
- Could it be that the holes were drilled for the forward attachment, and
then dis-assembled so that the cage could be painted?- Can you post phot
os?
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From: | "Brian and Laurie" <fellb(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Another new Kolb person |
I went to Oshkosh last July and saw a really nice Mark III Xtra sitting at
the Kolb factory booth. When I got home I decided to work on a Twinstar
Mark-III (Serial # M1101) that my dad had purchased off E-Bay a couple of
years ago. When I temporarily installed the seats into the fuselage and the
fiberglass nose cone I found it to really uncomfortable to sit in. My legs
were bent at a weird angle and my feet were bumping into things.
I was wondering what are the differences are between the Twinstar Mark-III
and the Xtra? Has anyone ever tried to convert one into an Xtra? Has
anyone ever tried to widen the area around the rudder pedals and move them
forward to make it more comfortable?
Thank you for your help and suggestions,
Brian
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Subject: | Re: tail boom question |
From: | "awcbs" <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
I'll take a few pics tomorrow, but the holes are in the same spot on both ends
of the tube , and the number of holes match the other end with the tail on it.
Also it is a mark 3 Xtra, not extra, as I seem to have offended at least one member,
and I figured out how to attach a signature to my messages.
Please bear with me as I go through the newbie stages, I will try to look like
an expert by tomorrow. Wait that won't work, looks like I'm gonna be a newbie
for a while yet, sorry.
hope my signature attaches
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AJ Waldor
MK3 Xtra
Newbie
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From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Another new Kolb person |
>When I got home I decided to work on a Twinstar
> Mark-III
> I was wondering what are the differences are between the Twinstar Mark-II
I
> and the Xtra?
A lot. The Xtra is 14" wider at the front of the fuselage cage where the
nosecone attaches.
>has anyone ever tried to convert one into an Xtra?
I'm sure someone has=2C but it escapes me at the moment who it was.
>Has anyone ever tried to widen the area around the rudder pedals and move
them
> forward to make it more comfortable?
see previous answer
> Thank you for your help and suggestions=2C
> Brian
Brian=2C
Converting a "C" into an "X" is a lot of work=2C but not entirely impossi
ble.
I might have some insights into the matter.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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Subject: | Re: Another new Kolb person |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Call Travis, tell him you want an Xtra fuselage from the landing gear station forward.
He will smile, quote you a price, weld it up, send it to you, and you will be good
to go. All you will need to do is cut off your original front end, and splice
the new onto the original.
(You know it's not that easy, but then - nothing is.) But anything is possible.
We are planning for the recertification around Thanksgiving.
Richard Pike
MIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Subject: | HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hello all....
I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I can not
find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could not make them
come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post them again ??
Thank you in advance !!
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 154. hrs
N327CS
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From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Ted,
My slingshot hits a wall at 95 mph and that is its top speed. Anything above about
85 mph requires more and more nose down elevator. I believe that this is due
to the thrust line angle being way too high, as you mentioned. I suspected
this but could not get Travis to tell me what angle it was supposed to be so I've
left it alone. The drawings and plans that I have don't say. That is probably
why Travis could not tell me.
Now that I know your aft end of the mount is 7/8" higher than the forward end,
I can start thinking seriously about fixing mine. Since the motor mount for the
Jabiru is way different from the Rotax, 7/8" may not be the right answer for
me.
At your convenience, if you could measure the thrust line angle relative to the
bottom chord of the wing and let me know what that is, I can adjust the Jabiru
motor mount for that angle. Right now, my thrust line is pointing UP by 3.5
degrees relative to the bottom chord of the wing and it should be pointing down
somewhat relative to the bottom chord, based on your photo and what you said.
Thanks for your help.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of who sent
them. I apologize.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:59 PM, ces308 wrote:
>
> Hello all....
> I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I
> can not find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could not
> make them come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post them
> again ??
>
> Thank you in advance !!
>
> chris ambrose
> M3X/Jabiru 154. hrs
> N327CS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314742#314742
>
>
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Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Thank you Rick !
These were the ones....we be skiing this winter !! If there are any others out
there you would be willing to share I would like to see them too !
Thanks !
chris ambrose
M3X / Jabiru 154.hrs
N327CS
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
> These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of who sent them.
I apologize.
>
> Rick Girard
I'll take credit for those plans. I made them in March of 2001 for my Firestar.
These are uncut water skis. I got them new at Play-it Again-Sports for $75. It's
important the neoprene tubing is used so the clamps don't slide down the tapered
gear leg. Use lacquer thinner on them before installing. Use safety wire
on the clamps. Use carriage bolts. Hex bolts will be too much drag on the underside
of the ski. Wooden skis must be waxed. Composite skis don't need wax.
Some composite skis have rods embedded along the sides like these, so be careful
when drilling (see pictures).
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Hi Ralph !
Thank you for the pictures too ! I thought they where your plans ,but I wasn't
sure ...When you set them up,do you keep the front up a ways?? That is do you
load the bungie to lift the front of the skis??
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Ralph....do you think they need any kind of keel on the bottom??
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
I have a set if water skiis that were disigned to be attached to the
stockgear leg brackets. There are cables that keep the skiis from falling
downless than 20-30 degrees and cables that keeps the skiis from riding up
more than 30 degrees. The are loops in th cable that with the addition of a
bungy will keep the skiies pointed up about 30 degrees in flight. The mount
is designed to ride about 1/2 inch higher than pavement with the tails
dragging. In deep snow the wheels drop down into the snow and the skii takes
over
I can send photos. I never fllew the plne in winter so ther is no need to
keep thm.
Make me a offer
Rick Neilsen
RedriveVW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
>
> > These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of who
> sent them. I apologize.
> >
> > Rick Girard
>
>
> I'll take credit for those plans. I made them in March of 2001 for my
> Firestar. These are uncut water skis. I got them new at Play-it Again-Sports
> for $75. It's important the neoprene tubing is used so the clamps don't
> slide down the tapered gear leg. Use lacquer thinner on them before
> installing. Use safety wire on the clamps. Use carriage bolts. Hex bolts
> will be too much drag on the underside of the ski. Wooden skis must be
> waxed. Composite skis don't need wax. Some composite skis have rods embedded
> along the sides like these, so be careful when drilling (see pictures).
>
> Ralph B
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 1000 hours
> 23 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 2 years flying it
> 120 hrs
>
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Rick,
Can you send me pictures of yours? ces308(at)ldaco.com .
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Ralph, Sorry about that, I'll rename the files so I don't forget. I found a
brand new pair of water skis on Craig's List and the owner was an airplane
guy who was willing to let them go for $45. After the new rudder and tail
wheel, they're next up on the project list.
Thanks again, Ralph.
Rick
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
>
> > These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of who
> sent them. I apologize.
> >
> > Rick Girard
>
>
> I'll take credit for those plans. I made them in March of 2001 for my
> Firestar. These are uncut water skis. I got them new at Play-it Again-Sports
> for $75. It's important the neoprene tubing is used so the clamps don't
> slide down the tapered gear leg. Use lacquer thinner on them before
> installing. Use safety wire on the clamps. Use carriage bolts. Hex bolts
> will be too much drag on the underside of the ski. Wooden skis must be
> waxed. Composite skis don't need wax. Some composite skis have rods embedded
> along the sides like these, so be careful when drilling (see pictures).
>
> Ralph B
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 1000 hours
> 23 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 2 years flying it
> 120 hrs
>
>
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>
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>
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582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
Hello all....
I have seen and even copied plans to covert water skis to snowskis and I
can not find them anywhere...I did find some in older post ,but could
not make them come up. If you have a set of plans,will you please post
them again ??
Thank you in advance !!
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 154. hrs
N327CS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
i am no expert here... but my 2 cents worth,,, i have never seen any
pair of skis, water or snow that were not longer in the front than they
are in the back,,,, usually by 10 inches or so..... that way, all
elce being equal.. if you were to land in soft snow... the shorter
back will sink into the snow deeper and keep the tips up. even more so
than the curve in the ski.
boyd young
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From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
Rick
Just a suggestion -- but be SURE your skis can't flip down in
flight; you wouldn't like what would happen. And on the ground, just
about as bad.
In Alaska many pilots put in TWO steel cables (on each ski) to keep
the tips from dropping. And try to avoid any sharp edges which can
quickly trip the aircraft if any sideways motion occurs. Ever 'catch
an edge' when skiing? Same thing. Not pleasant
Good luck, should be great fun
Russ K
On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Ralph, Sorry about that, I'll rename the files so I don't forget. I
> found a brand new pair of water skis on Craig's List and the owner
> was an airplane guy who was willing to let them go for $45. After
> the new rudder and tail wheel, they're next up on the project list.
> Thanks again, Ralph.
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
>
> > These are the plans I got from the forum. I didn't make a note of
> who sent them. I apologize.
> >
> > Rick Girard
>
>
> I'll take credit for those plans. I made them in March of 2001 for
> my Firestar. These are uncut water skis. I got them new at Play-it
> Again-Sports for $75. It's important the neoprene tubing is used so
> the clamps don't slide down the tapered gear leg. Use lacquer
> thinner on them before installing. Use safety wire on the clamps.
> Use carriage bolts. Hex bolts will be too much drag on the
> underside of the ski. Wooden skis must be waxed. Composite skis
> don't need wax. Some composite skis have rods embedded along the
> sides like these, so be careful when drilling (see pictures).
>
> Ralph B
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 1000 hours
> 23 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 2 years flying it
> 120 hrs
>
>
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> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to
> be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
>
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Chris,
Be really really careful that your Skis can not twist up or down on its axle in
flight, this could cause a rolling moment that may be very difficult or impossible
to control. Its great to do mods to our experimental aircraft, but also
look at this as a license to kill yourself. Make sure you do a bunch of research
before making any significant modification to your plane. Aviation is very
unforgiving.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
> Hi Ralph !
>
> Thank you for the pictures too ! I thought they where your plans ,but I wasn't
sure ...When you set them up,do you keep the front up a ways?? That is do you
load the bungie to lift the front of the skis??
>
> chris ambrose
Chris, the bungee cord must be strong to bring the tip of the ski up if snow weighs
it down. The angle must not be too high. I put a standard patio brick underneath
the ski tip and adjust the back limit cord so it is tight. These cords
or cables are very important as the ski could tip up too far and cause so much
drag that it would be hard to keep it in the air. If the ski pointed down on
landing, it would dig in and cause the aircraft to flip over. I have flown many
years with this setup, but it requires everything to be in place before flight.
The long skis are better in deep snow (more surface area to ride on). I have
taken off and landed in 3 feet of snow with these.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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Subject: | Re: tail boom question |
From: | "awcbs" <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
they are above the H-brace position, but definitely on top of the front of the
H-brace.
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MK3 Xtra
Newbie
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Subject: | Re: tail boom question |
From: | "awcbs" <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
date on camera is wrong, but pic with the H-brace on top is approx. where it will
sit inside the boom. the magic marker cross is aproxx. where the H=brace bolts
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From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: tail boom question |
AJ,
It looks like they might have been the holes for the forward attachment of
the vertical and horizontal stabilizers. Maybe the tail was out of plumb
so he swapped ends to try again?
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 10/5/2010 10:29:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
awcbsone(at)windstream.net writes:
they are above the H-brace position, but definitely on top of the front of
the H-brace.
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From: | Jon LaVasseur <firestar503(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI CABLE BRACKET |
The attached pictures show a ski cable anchor design that has worked well f
or =0Ame.- It attaches at the bottom of the lift strut and cannot move up
or down like =0Agear leg clamps may. -It can be left on all year or take
n off with the skis.- =0AHope the pictures explain it well enough for any
one who is interested.=0A=0AJon L=0AMinnesota=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI CABLE BRACKET |
From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Jon,
Thanks ! Nice design ! Looks like it will work well !
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab
N327CS
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From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 10/04/10 |
> First of all, I make no claims to be an authority
Thanks for the response Tom. It was helpful.
> that job clearly belongs to several others
But.. but.. Tom! I always felt you... oh, never mind.
> "I" wouldn't upgrade a 5 rib Firestar with a four stroke.
I appreciate your opinion. But I wouldn't be able to judge this thing, I am
not a pilot but intend to begin lessons soon. My FS has a 503 DCDI which is
1/3 again the power of the 377. Heavier too of course. I have heard others
say that the 503 is too much power for the FS. I fell in love with the FS
when I saw one, with the 377, at Brian's Ranch (Mojave desert). It seemed to
fly just fine. I don't know anything about T.O. distance or rate of climb.
> Homer designed it only with the 377 Rotax in mind, and I would be cautious
to add any more weight on top
All of our measurements so far indicate that the Generac, w/o reduction,
will weigh in at about the same as the 377 (which my notes indicate is 84.5
lbs with exhaust and reduction).
> even more afraid of the vibrations that the Generac will create on the
entire airframe.
I have heard over and over how smooth the Generac is- even smoother than
many of the 2-strokes such as the 503 WITH isolation. One feller (on this
list?) said that bolted to the airframe with no vibration isolation it is no
worse than the 503 (IIRC).
> and the plane weighed 325 LBS
I think mine is lighter- weighed the airframe and engine separately, mine
should come in real close to 280-285.
> I guess what I'm saying is to consider a 377
What is your average fuel consumption?
> it has done well for me over 500 hours.
Any overhauls? Major repairs? I have read horror stories about premature
demise of expensive Rotaxes.
> I found that the 447 was OK, but did the same thing using more gas, and
felt overpowered, and could exceed my VNE of 90 in a blink.
What do you suppose my 503 will be like on there? I assume it will climb
like crazy.
> If you were local, I would let you try it for yourself.
Thanks- but I would probably kill myself and all of the bystanders, not
being a pilot. Well, actually I have flown Cessnas and Bobcats.
In all of this, I am not asserting anything. I invite your comments please.
I know almost nothing about all of this and do not pretend otherwise.
Thanks
GeoB
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI CABLE BRACKET |
From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
Jon, this is by far the better solution for skis than the ski clamps I have on
my Firestar. By the way Jon, do you remember who flew your Firestar on its maiden
flight in March of '96? That was one to remember as the pilot ran into a little
problem with the ASI, but he managed to fly it as if everything was fine.
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Subject: | Thrust to Chord Angle |
Kolbers,
Having read that some have set the thrust vector parallel to the wing bottom
surface and then wondering what angle should the engine be set to best
performance, I thought I might relate my experience with the FireFly. At
first I built a AOA meter and measured the wing AOA at my cruse speed. Then
I washered up the rear of the engine so that the thrust line was parallel to
the relative wind. Later on, while studying the effects of power factor, I
was able to further refine the thrust angle to remove all power factor
influence at cruise.
At the time I put up a page on how it was done. They can be seen at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly56.html
If you are interested, you can repeat the same procedure by removing all
rudder trim and using the slip indicator to help you to washer your engine
up or down to remove all power factor slip at your desired cruise speed.
When you have found that point, you can re trim the rudder to remove the
remaining slip at your desired cruise.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | New to the Forum |
From: | "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com> |
Hello Everyone,
I am so glad I ran across this Forum..... There is a wealth of knowledge here,
and some awesome pictures.... I have a Kolb Firestar II that I bought that I found
on Barnstormers..... It had a few things that needed intention.... The Tail
Wheel had broke off from a hard handing, and it damaged the elevator and rudder.
Just the covering was damaged on the elevator, and the bottom of the rudder
need the bottom tubing replaced. I have it almost finished, and just today
I purchased a MicroAir 760 to install in a new dash I am working on... I did
not like the drum brakes and I removed them and installed the Black Max 1000 system....
and to top it off I installed some wheel and tire combo that I have
come up with...I have seen may people have the carlisle golf cart tires on a 6"
rim and call them Tundra Tires.... They are Heavy and Stiff, and the size is
all I see that is close to being what is referred to as a Tundra Tire..... These
Tires I have are Soft and only use between 5 and 10 pounds of air, and they
are Light Weight........... They act like the Big Boys Tundra Tires in Alaska......
The Rims I have are 8" in Diameter, and fit on Black Max and Hegar wheel
hubs, and maybe others..... Anyway I would like your input on what you think
about my Tire and Wheel Combo........
Kolb Firestar II
Rotax 503 with Electric Start
C-Box Re-Drive with a RK400 Clutch
68" Warp Drive Prop
Black Max 1000 Hydraulic Brakes
21"x 12"x 8" Tundra Tires on 8" x 9" Aluminum Rims
Current in date BRS Ballistic Recovery Chute
Kuntzleman Dual Magnum Strobes
ELT (emergency locator transmitters)
N-Numbered with a current Annual done May 2010
Soon to be Installed Micro Air 760 VHF TRANSCEIVER ,
And maybe later a 3 Blade Prop, because they make less noise
--------
Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400 Clutch
Phantom
503 B-Box
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Subject: | Re: New to the Forum |
From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Joe,
Looks pretty spiffy with those big shoes! Welcome
G.Aman former FS2 builder/owner
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From: Carolina Flyer <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 6, 2010 1:34 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: New to the Forum
Hello Everyone,
I am so glad I ran across this Forum..... There is a wealth of knowledge
here,
and some awesome pictures.... I have a Kolb Firestar II that I bought that
I
found on Barnstormers..... It had a few things that needed intention....
The
Tail Wheel had broke off from a hard handing, and it damaged the elevator
and
rudder. Just the covering was damaged on the elevator, and the bottom of
the
rudder need the bottom tubing replaced. I have it almost finished, and jus
t
today I purchased a MicroAir 760 to install in a new dash I am working on.
.. I
did not like the drum brakes and I removed them and installed the Black Ma
x 1000
system.... and to top it off I installed some wheel and tire combo that I
have
come up with...I have seen may people have the carlisle golf cart tires on
a 6"
rim and call them Tundra Tires.... They are Heavy and Stiff, and the size
is all
I see that is close to being what is referred to as a Tundra Tire..... The
se
Tires I have are Soft and only use between 5 and!
10 pounds of air, and they are Light Weight........... They act like the
Big
Boys Tundra Tires in Alaska...... The Rims I have are 8" in Diameter, and
fit on
Black Max and Hegar wheel hubs, and maybe others..... Anyway I would like
your
input on what you think about my Tire and Wheel Combo........
Kolb Firestar II
Rotax 503 with Electric Start
C-Box Re-Drive with a RK400 Clutch
68" Warp Drive Prop
Black Max 1000 Hydraulic Brakes
21"x 12"x 8" Tundra Tires on 8" x 9" Aluminum Rims
Current in date BRS Ballistic Recovery Chute
Kuntzleman Dual Magnum Strobes
ELT (emergency locator transmitters)
N-Numbered with a current Annual done May 2010
Soon to be Installed Micro Air 760 VHF TRANSCEIVER ,
And maybe later a 3 Blade Prop, because they make less noise
--------
Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400 Clutch
Phantom
503 B-Box
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From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: New to the Forum |
Hey Joe,
Those big wheels are awesome! I like them.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 10/6/2010 1:36:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com writes:
Anyway I would like your input on what you think about my Tire and Wheel
Combo........
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From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI CABLE BRACKET |
john L
that is the best ski cable anchor design that i have seen on a kolb
boyd
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Subject: | Re: New to the Forum |
From: | "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com> |
:D
Thanks for the kind comments.... I didn't go with these Tundra Tires for the Looks,
even though I think it Looks better with Large Tires.... I feel that the
front gear on the Firestar bends to easy, and it should bend before making the
cage bend.... These Tires just softens the suspension. The Kolb Factory quoted
me $200.00 for New Main Gear, and hopefully these Tires will help me to not
have to replace my Main Gear in the Future .......... Joe
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Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400 Clutch
Phantom
503 B-Box
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Subject: | Re: New to the Forum |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Good looking airplane. Moving the prop further away from the trailing edge will
cut down on your prop noise. What is the reduction ratio of your gearbox?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | "cspoke" <cspoke(at)gulftel.com> |
I just talked to Travis at Kolb and he mentioned that he had posted a slide show of my Mark 111 Xtra with a VW on YouTube. Here is the link if interested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?vEoXimc3vA. I am having a great time flying it and now that the weather here in lower Alabama is finally cooling off, I will be able to put more time on it and get the 40 hours flown off finally. I am still making fine tuning adjustments but so far the cruise seems to be 75-80 mph. I do not have a VSI but the climb is more than adequate. I will post more information as I get more comfortable and explore the flight envelope more.
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Craig Spoke
Mark 111 Xtra
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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Subject: | Re: New to the Forum |
From: | "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com> |
The GearBox is 3.0 to 1 ratio with the RK400 clutch
I plan on putting a Stainless Exhaust system on it soon
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Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400 Clutch
Phantom
503 B-Box
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From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Craig, What is the empty weight of your X?
Rick Girard
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:30 PM, cspoke wrote:
>
> I just talked to Travis at Kolb and he mentioned that he had posted a slide
> show of my Mark 111 Xtra with a VW on YouTube. Here is the link if
> interested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?vEoXimc3vA. I am having a
> great time flying it and now that the weather here in lower Alabama is
> finally cooling off, I will be able to put more time on it and get the 40
> hours flown off finally. I am still making fine tuning adjustments but so
> far the cruise seems to be 75-80 mph. I do not have a VSI but the climb is
> more than adequate. I will post more information as I get more comfortable
> and explore the flight envelope more.
>
> --------
> Craig Spoke
> Mark 111 Xtra
> VW Redrive
> Lillian, AL
> cspoke(at)gulftel.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314999#314999
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
Subject: | Mounting Redrive up or down.... |
Hey Folks,
Sounds like most folks mount their redrive upward. Does anyone have a
redrive mounted down? If your prop is the same position relative to the boom
tube, are there pros and cons, other that engine height in the airstream? I
tried an archive search but could pull up anything.
Thanks as always,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
Kolbra #1
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Subject: | Re: Mounting Redrive up or down.... |
From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Nick
Priority number one is getting the lowest trust line. Engine height for
cooling is a consideration with a air cooled engine but most cooling
problems are with ground operations and that goes away when airborne.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Nick Cassara wrote:
> Hey Folks,
>
>
> Sounds like most folks mount their redrive upward. Does anyone have a
> redrive mounted down? If your prop is the same position relative to the boom
> tube, are there pros and cons, other that engine height in the airstream? I
> tried an archive search but could pull up anything.
>
>
> Thanks as always,
>
>
> Nick Cassara
>
> Palmer, Alaska
>
>
> Kolbra #1
>
> *
>
> *
>
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From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Craig/All
Sounds great. Keep the reports coming.
Rick Lewis has been quiet for a long time is he still building?
Haven't heard from Bob Green in a while.
Any one else out there building VW powered Kolbs? I know there is at least
one on the fence.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Craig, What is the empty weight of your X?
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:30 PM, cspoke wrote:
>
>>
>> I just talked to Travis at Kolb and he mentioned that he had posted a
>> slide show of my Mark 111 Xtra with a VW on YouTube. Here is the link if
>> interested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?vEoXimc3vA. I am having a
>> great time flying it and now that the weather here in lower Alabama is
>> finally cooling off, I will be able to put more time on it and get the 40
>> hours flown off finally. I am still making fine tuning adjustments but so
>> far the cruise seems to be 75-80 mph. I do not have a VSI but the climb is
>> more than adequate. I will post more information as I get more comfortable
>> and explore the flight envelope more.
>>
>> --------
>> Craig Spoke
>> Mark 111 Xtra
>> VW Redrive
>> Lillian, AL
>> cspoke(at)gulftel.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Zulu Delta
> Kolb Mk IIIC
> 582 Gray head
> 4.00 C gearbox
> 3 blade WD
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
> unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
>
>
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Mounting Redrive up or down.... |
Nick C/Gang:
I find the lower the engine and prop the better the performance. I have
my 912ULS as low as it will go with about 1/4" clearance between the
lowest point of the crankcase, the banjo fitting for the oil return
line, can run a 72" prop and still have 3/4" clearance between prop tip
and tail boom.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, OR
Thanks as always,
Nick Cassara
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From: | "cspoke" <cspoke(at)gulftel.com> |
Rick,
My Xtra is heavy. 691 lbs empty. All the extra "doo dads" and creature comforts
really add up.
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Craig Spoke
Mark 111 Xtra
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Craig
You need to put that bird on a diet. My plane is 598 lbs empty but wet (oil
and unusable fuel). That is with a full enclosure with storage pockets and
coat of silver UV paint. I was real careful with weight. No more than three
threads showing anywhere. That big 1-1.25 redrive bolt had 20 extra
threads showing, not any more. If any part looked heaver than necessary it
got lighting holes drilled in it. For example the diehel(sp) accessory case
was designed as part of the difocal mount. That meant it is heaver than it
needed to be the way we use it. It has maybe 30 half inch holes drilled in
it in addition to the two mounting ears cut off. One of those holes is real
handy to stick a screw driver into as a fly wheel lock. I also don't have a
heavy magneto. My battery is a fairly light lawn mower 12 AH battery from
Walmart.
Not my idea, but a fraction of an ounce multiplied a thousand times in the
build process adds up to be real weight. If it doesn't serve a purpose leave
it off or cut it off. I wasn't even close on things because I didn't want to
make anything weak. I'm sure I could get another 30-50 lbs off and not
effect strength.
Enjoy it the way it is but when you start putting a passenger in it, it will
be over gross limit real quick.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:22 PM, cspoke wrote:
>
> Rick,
> My Xtra is heavy. 691 lbs empty. All the extra "doo dads" and creature
> comforts really add up.
>
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> Craig Spoke
> Mark 111 Xtra
> VW Redrive
> Lillian, AL
> cspoke(at)gulftel.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
....Oh good....I don't feel so bad now...mine weighed in at 596#,so I guess I'm
in the ball park...lol.....what do those VW weigh??? My jabiru is 135 #...
chris ambrose
M3X / Jabiru
N327CS
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From: | "cspoke" <cspoke(at)gulftel.com> |
My VW with all accessories (oil cooler, redrive, etc.) weighs 181 lbs dry. Rich
N has done an amazing job keeping the weight down on his plane. This winter I
will see what I can do to reduce my planes "pork". I was suprised when I weighed
mine. The pounds can add up fast.
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Craig Spoke
Mark 111 Xtra
VW Redrive
Lillian, AL
cspoke(at)gulftel.com
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From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 10/07/10 |
Thanks for the posts Rick N. and Craig. I am still here and building slowly but
surely. I worked last night on the baffles for the engine. To do a neat
secure job is time consuming.
You all have been a real help to me. I am still studying on what prop to use and
where to get the exhaust/parts.
Thanks for asking about me.
Bob
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Subject: | Landing at the Milaca (18Y) airport yesterday |
From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
I took my son for a ride in the Kolbra yesterday and he took a video of the landing
from the back seat.
See it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LONzyzD-se4
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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Subject: | Re: New to the Forum |
Are those tires the Nanco 21x12x8?
Carolina Flyer wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> I am so glad I ran across this Forum..... There is a wealth of knowledge here,
and some awesome pictures.... I have a Kolb Firestar II that I bought that I
found on Barnstormers..... It had a few things that needed intention.... The
Tail Wheel had broke off from a hard handing, and it damaged the elevator and
rudder. Just the covering was damaged on the elevator, and the bottom of the rudder
need the bottom tubing replaced. I have it almost finished, and just today
I purchased a MicroAir 760 to install in a new dash I am working on... I did
not like the drum brakes and I removed them and installed the Black Max 1000
system.... and to top it off I installed some wheel and tire combo that I have
come up with...I have seen many people have the Carlisle golf cart tires on
a 6" rim and call them Tundra Tires.... They are Heavy and Stiff, and the size
is all I see that is close to being what is referred to as a Tundra Tire.....
These Tires I have are Soft and only use between 5 and 10 pounds of air, and
they are Light Weight........... They act like the Big Boys Tundra Tires in Alaska......
The Rims I have are 8" in Diameter, and fit on Black Max and Hegar
wheel hubs, and maybe others..... Anyway I would like your input on what you think
about my Tire and Wheel Combo........
>
>
> Kolb Firestar II
> Rotax 503 with Electric Start
> C-Box Re-Drive with a RK400 Clutch
> 68" Warp Drive Prop
> Black Max 1000 Hydraulic Brakes
> Tundra Tires on 8" x 9" Aluminum Rims
> Current in date BRS Ballistic Recovery Chute
> Kuntzleman Dual Magnum Strobes
> ELT (emergency locator transmitters)
> N-Numbered with a current Annual done May 2010
> Soon to be Installed Micro Air 760 VHF TRANSCEIVER ,
> And maybe later a 3 Blade Prop, because they make less noise
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From: | Joe A Lawson <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: New to the Forum |
Jason,
Yes they are, do you use them as well...... Joe
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 8, 2010, at 1:10 PM, "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>
wrote:
> >
>
> Are those tires the Nanco 21x12x8?
>
>
> Carolina Flyer wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,
>> I am so glad I ran across this Forum..... There is a wealth of
>> knowledge here, and some awesome pictures.... I have a Kolb
>> Firestar II that I bought that I found on Barnstormers..... It had
>> a few things that needed intention.... The Tail Wheel had broke off
>> from a hard handing, and it damaged the elevator and rudder. Just
>> the covering was damaged on the elevator, and the bottom of the
>> rudder need the bottom tubing replaced. I have it almost finished,
>> and just today I purchased a MicroAir 760 to install in a new dash
>> I am working on... I did not like the drum brakes and I removed
>> them and installed the Black Max 1000 system.... and to top it off
>> I installed some wheel and tire combo that I have come up with...I
>> have seen many people have the Carlisle golf cart tires on a 6" rim
>> and call them Tundra Tires.... They are Heavy and Stiff, and the
>> size is all I see that is close to being what is referred to as a
>> Tundra Tire..... These Tires I have are Soft and only use between 5 !
> and 10 pounds of air, and they are Light Weight........... They act
> like the Big Boys Tundra Tires in Alaska...... The Rims I have are
> 8" in Diameter, and fit on Black Max and Hegar wheel hubs, and maybe
> others..... Anyway I would like your input on what you think about
> my Tire and Wheel Combo........
>>
>>
>> Kolb Firestar II
>> Rotax 503 with Electric Start
>> C-Box Re-Drive with a RK400 Clutch
>> 68" Warp Drive Prop
>> Black Max 1000 Hydraulic Brakes
>> Tundra Tires on 8" x 9" Aluminum Rims
>> Current in date BRS Ballistic Recovery Chute
>> Kuntzleman Dual Magnum Strobes
>> ELT (emergency locator transmitters)
>> N-Numbered with a current Annual done May 2010
>> Soon to be Installed Micro Air 760 VHF TRANSCEIVER ,
>> And maybe later a 3 Blade Prop, because they make less noise
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315110#315110
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Brake report |
From: | "gotime242" <dylanshine(at)gmail.com> |
Hello, i dont mean to bring this up from the grave...but im curious as to how the
axles that come in the kit are mounted onto the current FS landing gear. Are
they a pretty easy replacement or do they require a bit of fabrication?
I have a fs2 that could use a new brake setup...
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Subject: | Re: Brake report |
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Subject: | Re: Brake report |
From: | "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com> |
Here is a Picture of my Kolb Firestar II with a different set of Wheels on the
Black Max System...... If you buy extra wheel hubs you can change both tires in
less than 5 minutes.... You remove a cotter pin then unscrew a Nylon Nut using
a Ratchet and 15/16" Socket. Put the different set of Wheels on, replace the
one nut and cotter pin, and your ready to Fly.... In this Picture I have 8"
rims that have standard DOT approved Radial Trailer Tires... .. I use this set-up
when I am using the paved Runway.......... When I am on a Grass Strip it
is back to the Tundra Tires.......... Joe
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Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400 Clutch
Phantom
503 B-Box
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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Subject: | Re: landing video with no Kolb drop |
From: | "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com> |
Ralph,
That was a very nice Video. Was that taken with the passenger using a hand held
Camcorder?
Have you ever used a Camcorder mounted outside of the cockpit, like mounted on
a Wing Strut or Boom Tube..........Joe
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Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400 Clutch
Phantom
503 B-Box
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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Subject: | Re: landing video with no Kolb drop |
From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
Carolina Flyer
>
>
> Ralph
>
> That was a very nice Video. Was that taken with the passenger using a hand held
Camcorder?
>
> Have you ever used a Camcorder mounted outside of the cockpit, like mounted on
a Wing Strut or Boom Tube..........Joe
Thanks Joe, the video was taken with a Canon Rebel T2i digital camera in movie
mode. My son held it while shooting. It works fairly well as it keeps the camera
pretty steady in turbulent air. We were shooting another aircraft on the way
to Milaca.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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Subject: | Re: Brake report |
Did you attached the master cylinder to the heel brakes or do you use a
handle brake?
I would like to see pictures of the heel brake setup
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From: Carolina Flyer <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 8, 2010 10:10 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Brake report
Here is a Picture of my Kolb Firestar II with a different set of Wheels on
the
Black Max System...... If you buy extra wheel hubs you can change both tir
es in
less than 5 minutes.... You remove a cotter pin then unscrew a Nylon Nut
using a
Ratchet and 15/16" Socket. Put the different set of Wheels on, replace the
one
nut and cotter pin, and your ready to Fly.... In this Picture I have 8" ri
ms
that have standard DOT approved Radial Trailer Tires... .. I use this set-
up
when I am using the paved Runway.......... When I am on a Grass Strip it
is back
to the Tundra Tires.......... Joe
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Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400 Clutch
Phantom
503 B-Box
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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From: | mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | 582 High Coolant Temp |
Kolbers - I'm trying to complete the engine break-in on my new 582, and struggling
with high coolant temp. I burped the system several time to remove the air
and checked that the radiator is full (using Prestone pre-diluted dexcool).
I've got the dual radiator system. The coolant temp slowly climbs during running
and I can't get above about 5500 rpm without the coolant temp kissing 180F
at which point I pull to idle and shutdown. The outside air temp was about 75F.
I've checked the coolant temp probe and I believe it is measuring temp correctly.
I'm concerned about lack of airflow through the radiator when trying to
do a 1 hr engine ground run. Not sure what to do at this point except wait
for a colder day.
Anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions?
Mark Rinehart
Indy Kolb Mk3 Classic
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From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
Subject: | Re: 582 High Coolant Temp |
Mark, when I was doing the ground break-in on my 618, I was told to use a
garden hose and spray water onto the radiator. Worked for me.
Gene
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From: "mark rinehart" <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:07 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 High Coolant Temp
>
> Kolbers - I'm trying to complete the engine break-in on my new 582, and
> struggling with high coolant temp. I burped the system several time to
> remove the air and checked that the radiator is full (using Prestone
> pre-diluted dexcool). I've got the dual radiator system. The coolant temp
> slowly climbs during running and I can't get above about 5500 rpm without
> the coolant temp kissing 180F at which point I pull to idle and shutdown.
> The outside air temp was about 75F. I've checked the coolant temp probe
> and I believe it is measuring temp correctly. I'm concerned about lack of
> airflow through the radiator when trying to do a 1 hr engine ground run.
> Not sure what to do at this point except wait for a colder day.
> Anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions?
>
>
> Mark Rinehart
> Indy Kolb Mk3 Classic
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: 582 High Coolant Temp |
From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Back in 2003, Steven Green had a 582 on his MKIII, and was having trouble keeping
the temps down with that radiator setup. Don't remember the details, but I
did save the pictures he posted. The goal was to keep hot air from the exhaust
manifold from going through the radiator, plus duct air around the carbs better,
and he reported good results.
The pictures will have to be self explanatory, as I don't remember the details,
sorry.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: | Tom Longo <tclongo(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: 582 High Coolant Temp |
On 10/9/2010 1:07 PM, mark rinehart wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: mark rinehart
>
> Kolbers - I'm trying to complete the engine break-in on my new 582, and struggling
with high coolant temp. I burped the system several time to remove the
air and checked that the radiator is full (using Prestone pre-diluted dexcool).
I've got the dual radiator system. The coolant temp slowly climbs during running
and I can't get above about 5500 rpm without the coolant temp kissing 180F
at which point I pull to idle and shutdown. The outside air temp was about
75F. I've checked the coolant temp probe and I believe it is measuring temp correctly.
I'm concerned about lack of airflow through the radiator when trying
to do a 1 hr engine ground run. Not sure what to do at this point except wait
for a colder day.
> Anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions?
>
>
> Mark Rinehart
> Indy Kolb Mk3 Classic
>
>
I sprayed water on the radiator to keep it cool.
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Brake report |
At 08:24 AM 10/9/2010, fs2kolb(at)aol.com wrote:
>Did you attached the master cylinder to the heel brakes or do you use a
>handle brake?
>I would like to see pictures of the heel brake setup
Here's a couple pix of mine, on my UltraStar. These are Hegar, not Black
Max, master cylinders, driving the Black Max calipers.
Had a bit of trouble with the brakes today. Went out to fly, taxied out to
the runway, and the left brake pedal went to the floor and stuck
there. Taxied back to my trailer, and it was a good thing, because
contrary to the forecast, the winds suddenly picked up and started howling,
gusting to 20, which is real nasty on this hilltop airport. Anyway, turned
out the master cylinder was scored, not sure why, probably a bit of crud
got in it. Took it home, honed it out and replaced the o-rings, went back
and spent some time bleeding the system... and the caliper bleeder screw
stripped out, Grrrrr... took it home and managed to tap it out for a
larger bleeder screw, but not before sunset. Oh well, hopefully tomorrow
will be better...
-Dana
--
Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.
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Subject: | Fuel Line Failure |
From: | "beauford" <beauford173(at)verizon.net> |
Installed new fuel line 5 months ago... Urethane bought from major parts house.
Had noticed it was discoloring badly... turning dark brown. Today I found an inch
and a half split in line between pulse pump and carb. First time I have had
a structural failure of fuel line in 9 years of operation... interior deposits
yes, material failure no...
Would advise you watch your lines for excessive discoloration, particularly if
it happens relatively quickly.
Tomorrow I will take Brother Alexander's advice and install pulse line in place
of this garbage...
Beauford
FF-076
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Subject: | Re: Brake report |
From: | "gotime242" <dylanshine(at)gmail.com> |
Carolina flyer: where did you get your tundra tires? Im thinking of doing something
similar now...but maybe for a 6x6 rim.
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Subject: | Re: Brake report |
From: | "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com> |
gotime242 wrote:
> Carolina flyer: where did you get your tundra tires? Im thinking of doing something
similar now...but maybe for a 6x6 rim.
I have not seen any Tires this Big that will fit on a 6" Diameter Wheel... That
is the Reason I had the Wheels I have made for me.... Joe
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Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400 Clutch
Phantom
503 B-Box
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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Subject: | Re: HELP ! SNOW SKI PLANS |
From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Ralph,
The deepest snow I will be in is no more that a 6 inch drift across the patted
down snowmobile track on the lake....I was on the lake last year with wheel,but
it was those little drifts that worried me...I will post pix when they are finished
and on...
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru
N327CS
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From: | "mark.shimei" <mark.shimei(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | engine failure at take off |
Got your attention...I guess it got mine too........
This happened Sunday,70deg morning in sunny Florida. No one else was flying
at the time,just me.
Took off on grass strip 22,climbed to 500',pulled engine to idle and did a
180 to land opposite direction on grass RWY. I had plenty of time to
descend,plus had to bleed off speed/altitude.
Touched down about 1/3 of the way down,slowly added power and climbed out
over the trees at the end and started to level off when it happened.
I was about 450' (GPS) when it just went to idle and died. My first
thought: I do have an extra top end at home.......
By the time it stopped,I had already turned to the right and was headed
back to the airport,which was just under 1/4 mile away. A church goer below
was watching me (I guess he heard it stop,was waiting for the crash?) as I
did "S" turns to loose some altitude,since I knew I could make the field.
I landed lightly on the left wheel and turned about 90 deg to the left
toward the row of hangars,still keeping the right wheel up.
The plane settled down on both wheels as I got on the taxiway and slowed
down enough to make 1 more left turn to my row and rolled to a stop.
The church goer was still standing there,mouth open.
NONE of my airport buddies were there to see it....oh well...video would
have been nice.
Pulled the engine thru,still had compression...Looked everything over that
could have broke/came loose/fell off...nothing.
Turned the US around and started it on the first pull. Listened for
funny(not so funny) noises,taxied back out,and took off. I stayed near the
airport for 25 min or so,then wandered off over areas I could land if
needed.
CONCLUSION: I havent flown in this cool of weather for 6 months or more.
The humidity was high (Florida,of course) and the temp was just cold enough
for carb ice.
I forgot to mention the carb/manifold was cold after the engine was off
for at least 3 minutes.
No more idle descents in this weather,,,,I always keep power on
approaches,except this time.
Have flown 2 hours since,no issues.
Mark..........................who believes in practicing dead stick
landings. # 25 was the real deal..
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From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: engine failure at take off |
- Lucky!- I don't remember anyone mentioning icing in Florida before.
- Thanks for a very comprehensive report.- What make/size engine?
-
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------------- Bill Sullivan
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------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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------------- FS 447
--- On Tue, 10/12/10, mark.shimei wrote:
This happened Sunday,70deg morning in sunny Florida. No one else was flying
at the time,just me.
Took off on grass strip 22,climbed to 500',pulled engine to idle and did a
180 to land opposite direction on grass RWY. I had plenty of time to descen
d,plus had to bleed off speed/altitude.
- Touched down about 1/3 of the way down,slowly added power and climbed o
ut over the trees at the end and started to level off when it happened.
I was about 450' (GPS) when it just went to idle and died.--- My firs
t thought: I do have an extra top end at home.......
-By the time it stopped,I had already turned to the right and was headed
back to the airport,which was just under 1/4 mile away. A church goer below
was watching me (I guess he heard it stop,was waiting for the crash?) as I
did "S" turns to loose some altitude,since I knew I could make the field.
I landed lightly on the left wheel and turned about 90 deg to the left towa
rd the row of hangars,still keeping the right wheel up.
The plane settled down on both wheels as I got on the taxiway and slowed do
wn enough to make 1 more left turn to my row and rolled to a stop.
The church goer was still standing there,mouth open.
NONE of my airport buddies were there to see it....oh well...video would ha
ve been nice.
Pulled the engine thru,still had compression...Looked everything over that
could have broke/came loose/fell off...nothing.
Turned the US around and started it on the first pull. Listened for funny(n
ot so funny) noises,taxied back out,and took off. I stayed near the airport
for 25 min or so,then wandered off over areas I could land if needed.
CONCLUSION:- I havent flown in this cool of weather for 6 months or more.
The humidity was high (Florida,of course) and the temp was just cold enoug
h for carb ice.-
- I forgot to mention the carb/manifold was cold after the engine was off
for at least 3 minutes.
No more idle descents in this weather,,,,I always keep power on approaches,
except this time.
Have flown 2 hours since,no issues.
Mark..........................who believes in practicing dead stick landing
s.- # 25 was the real deal..
-
-
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From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: engine failure at take off |
At 01:36 PM 10/12/2010, Mark Rikio wrote:
At 01:36 PM 10/12/2010, Mark Rikio wrote:
>
>CONCLUSION: I havent flown in this cool of weather for 6 months or more.
>The humidity was high (Florida,of course) and the temp was just cold
>enough for carb ice.
> I forgot to mention the carb/manifold was cold after the engine was off
> for at least 3 minutes.
>
>No more idle descents in this weather,,,,I always keep power on
>approaches,except this time.
Do you recall the actual temp and dewpoint? What engine and carb?
The funny thing is that it didn't quit until you got to 450', after the
engine had been running at full power again for a little while. Did it
seem to have any less than normal power just before it quit?
Many people say 2-strokes with slide carburetors don't ice up, but they do,
under the right (wrong) circumstances.
-Dana
--
Celebrate Freedom... read a banned book.
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Subject: | Re: engine failure at take off |
From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Florida climate in the fall is more likely to cause carb ice than upstate New York
this time of year. See image of carb icing conditions.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I got a little air time in my Slingshot yesterday after several weeks of not flying
and had my new iPhone with me so I attempted a little video. I uploaded it
to YouTube directly from the iPhone... amazing. Below is a link to this short
video of fall colors on Buffalo's south side. I was up quite high at about 2,400'
msl and the ground here is about 700' so not much detail. As you will note
it was mid-day bumpy.
I apologize for the format. This is the first iPhone video I've taken and did not
know that I could not change it to landscape after taking it in portrait. It
is REALLY tall and skinny. Next time, I'll know. Also, to make the upload faster,
I restricted it to "medium" resolution which is about 1/3rd the size of
the high resolution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvXn_wOowAU&feature=player_embedded
Thom, the video novice
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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Subject: | Another wheel question |
From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
I suppose I've been watching "The Spirit of St. Louis" too much lately (we
don't have cable, satellite or antenna, just a DVD collection) but looking
at the old Jennies in the movie got me thinking about putting spoked
motorcycle wheels on the main gear of my Mk III. Anybody tried this? Have
pictures?
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Another wheel question |
Right off the top of my head, would be one way to get the mkIII in a
decent 3 pt stance by raising the nose with tall skinny spoke wheels.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, OR
got me thinking about putting spoked motorcycle wheels on the main
gear of my Mk III. Anybody tried this? Have pictures?
Rick Girard
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From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Another wheel question |
>I suppose I've been watching "The Spirit of St. Louis" too much lately (we
don't have cable=2C satellite or antenna=2C just a DVD collection) >but lo
oking at the old Jennies in the movie got me thinking about putting spoked
motorcycle wheels on the main gear of my Mk III. >Anybody tried this? Have
pictures?
>Rick Girard
Rick=2C
It definitely would look different. I can't recall the specific makes=2C
but I remember years ago there a couple of ultralights that used
spoked wheels. (a Robertson B1RD comes to mind. ???)
Would putting spoked wheels on a Kolb really make it look like an aiplane
of yester-year? I'm not sure.
Here's a candidate I found on eBay. The rear wheels would be the ones th
at are spoked=3B
http://cgi.ebay.com/Merits-MP-series-wheelchair-wheels-tires-front-and-rear
-/150505635187?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230ad5bd73
Mike Welch
MkIII
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From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
John Hauck wrote:
> I like video clips of landings, take offs, maneuvering, low level and nap of
the earth flights, that show the capabilities and fun of flying a Kolb.
Not exactly what John had in mind, me thinks, but close.
At the same time shows the Fall Colors of SW FL and as a bonus, the infamous Beauford
in his Kleenex airplane (aka Kolb Firefly 076)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjnqdI3PfaA
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FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
> Not exactly what John had in mind, me thinks, but close.
> At the same time shows the Fall Colors of SW FL and as a bonus, the
> infamous Beauford in his Kleenex airplane (aka Kolb Firefly 076)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjnqdI3PfaA
>
> --------
> George Alexander
George/Beauford/Gang:
A great display of airmanship.
I like your 173d patch.
john h
mkIII
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From: | "lhaggerty" <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
Good vidio, Greeeat Audio :} Pete Haggerty>
FF002-00016
> > Not exactly what John had in mind, me thinks, but close.
> At the same time shows the Fall Colors of SW FL and as a bonus, the
> infamous Beauford in his Kleenex airplane (aka Kolb Firefly 076)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjnqdI3PfaA
>
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://www.oh2fly.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315746#315746
>
>
>
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From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Homebuilt airplanes |
Kolb guys=2C
With things a little slow=2C I thought I'd pass on this story I just read
on my latest
online copy of the EAA Newsletter.
This is one of the headline stories=2C and I realize it isn't directly Ko
lb related=2C however it
IS about homebuilt airplanes=2C and a guy that's getting ready for his "fir
st flight". I doubt this
guy has ANY flight training=2C but it's just a guess.
Evidently=2C he is in the last stages of finishing building his 'own desi
gn'. He did some internet
research and figured that was good enough=2C I guess.
Especially note the nosewheel as they roll the plane through the gate. I
t might be an indication
of things to follow. As soon as those cinder blocks show up for him to use
as his bench seat=2C
he's 'good to go'.
http://www.eaa.org/news/2010/2010-10-13_scratchbuilt.asp
Mike Welch
MkIII
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