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November 19, 2010 - December 07, 2010
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pressure question |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Good question. No clue. I'll try and get a treasure gauge and check the accuracy
of the eis reading.
Sounds like if it keeps running, and not flooding, it's probably ok.
Any other thoughts? Anyone know a good source of a not too expensive gauge?
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pressure question |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Oops! I meant "pressure gauge," not "treasure."
Damn spellcheck...
I already know my Kolb is a treasure!
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| Subject: | Hoerner wing tip design? |
| From: | "John Cooley" <johnc(at)datasync.com> |
Hello Folks,
Haven't posted much in the past few years but keep a eye on the list and read almost
daily. I have a MK 3 Classic that I bought from Jeremy Casey about 6 years
ago and worked on for awhile then sort of lost interest. This summer I have
discovered 4 or 5 neighbors within 10 miles or so that are flying that wasn't
a few years ago. I have probably put more hours on my FS II flying with them
this summer than I have put on it the past 3 years combined. This and the fact
that I ran into James Tripp at Ronnie Smith's fly-in has rekindled my desire
to finish the Mark 3. James has a beautiful MK-3 that he has just finished. He
had been flying a Firestar like myself. He has also installed the "Hauck Special"
landing gear as I have done to the MK 3 I have in progress.
Now to my question to the group. I have been doing some reading on Hoerner wing
tips and would like to hear some comments or thoughts about installing these
on the MK 3 Classic. I know that TNK makes some for the Xtra out of fiberglass
but was thinking of building my own out of aluminum tubing as some other Kolb
copy cat kit builder has done. Would this be worth the effort on the Kolb wing?
Would the span need to be reduced any due to the effect the Hoerner tips have
of lengthening the effective span? Here is some information on the web from
another well known STOL aircraft sight about these tips:
"For a long time, Ive said that Hoerner wing tips should be used on most light
aircraft designs, since they increase the effective wing span from 8" to over
one foot without having to carry any additional weight: As we all know, there
is low pressure on top of the wing, and higher pressure on the bottom of the wing,
with the pressure difference creating the lift that allows us to fly. Toward
the tip of the wing, the high pressure feels that there is less pressure on
the top of the wing (just around the tip), and wants to go there to equalize
the pressure, thus creating a secondary flow out toward the tip of the wing.
This secondary outward flow generates a vortex (a circular motion) behind the
wing."
Any and all information or thoughts are appreciated.
Thanks,
John Cooley
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Be Safe,
John Cooley
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
by0ung,
Our Midwest Winters are very bitter, I prefer not to fly open Cockpit in them.
I admire the pilots that do.
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pressure question |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, Boyd.
I'll check. The position of the sensor could also affect the reading. It's about
three feet below the engine.
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| Subject: | Re: Hoerner wing tip design? |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
John, People say a lot of things, with and without a clue as to what they
are talking about. Hoerner tips on most light planes? It would depend on th
e
mission the plane is flying. Hoerner tips, properly implemented, work in th
e
low speed regime where they help with induced drag at high lift
coefficients. Great for crop dusters, STOL, and like missions, not so great
if you spend your time in cruise flight. Good on a Kolb? Maybe, if you have
a comprehensive plan to clean up drag sources of all kinds. Personally, I
think you could do as much or more by cleaning up and sealing the wing root
s
to get rid of that unwanted extra set of wing tips. That hurts performance
in all regimes so it's probably more bang for the buck, but you won't know
until you do the work and document it.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:31 AM, John Cooley wrote:
>
> Hello Folks,
>
> Haven't posted much in the past few years but keep a eye on the list and
> read almost daily. I have a MK 3 Classic that I bought from Jeremy Casey
> about 6 years ago and worked on for awhile then sort of lost interest. Th
is
> summer I have discovered 4 or 5 neighbors within 10 miles or so that are
> flying that wasn't a few years ago. I have probably put more hours on my
FS
> II flying with them this summer than I have put on it the past 3 years
> combined. This and the fact that I ran into James Tripp at Ronnie Smith's
> fly-in has rekindled my desire to finish the Mark 3. James has a beautifu
l
> MK-3 that he has just finished. He had been flying a Firestar like myself
.
> He has also installed the "Hauck Special" landing gear as I have done to
the
> MK 3 I have in progress.
> Now to my question to the group. I have been doing some reading on Hoerne
r
> wing tips and would like to hear some comments or thoughts about installi
ng
> these on the MK 3 Classic. I know that TNK makes some for the Xtra out of
> fiberglass but was thinking of building my own out of aluminum tubing as
> some other Kolb copy cat kit builder has done. Would this be worth the
> effort on the Kolb wing? Would the span need to be reduced any due to the
> effect the Hoerner tips have of lengthening the effective span? Here is s
ome
> information on the web from another well known STOL aircraft sight about
> these tips:
>
> "For a long time, I=92ve said that Hoerner wing tips should be used on mo
st
> light aircraft designs, since they increase the effective wing span from
8"
> to over one foot without having to carry any additional weight: As we all
> know, there is low pressure on top of the wing, and higher pressure on th
e
> bottom of the wing, with the pressure difference creating the lift that
> allows us to fly. Toward the tip of the wing, the high pressure =91feels
=92 that
> there is less pressure on the top of the wing (just around the tip), and
> wants to go there to equalize the pressure, thus creating a secondary flo
w
> out toward the tip of the wing. This secondary outward flow generates a
> vortex (a circular motion) behind the wing."
>
> Any and all information or thoughts are appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks,
> John Cooley
>
> --------
> Be Safe,
> John Cooley
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320108#320108
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl
e
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
Boyd,
Ship it down to Rick Neilsen in Fla.He'll keep it warm for you.
G.Aman
guess if i were not a scardi cat... and most of all if i were retired
and had the time... I would fly it down and keep it warm with rick...
should have done it last year when my son was in the keys.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Boyd
Hey just a bunch of short hops strung together. It is certainly nice to be
retired so time isn't an issue. It's been in the low 80s and sunny in
Florida. Come on down.
I will miss not having my Kolb down here this winter but not that $300/
month hanger charge. I think it will be cheaper to rent this winter. Tuesday
I'm scheduled to get checked out in a Sport Cruiser (this is the new Piper
LSA). It will not be anything like a Kolb but it is flying and a bit faster.
Gary when you get down here we will need to schedule a flyin. If we can get
Buford to leave his home airport again we may be able to talk George A in to
joining us????
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:02 PM, b young wrote:
> B
> oyd,
> Ship it down to Rick Neilsen in Fla.He'll keep it warm for you.
> G.Aman
>
> guess if i were not a scardi cat... and most of all if i were retired
> and had the time... I would fly it down and keep it warm with rick...
> should have done it last year when my son was in the keys.
>
> boyd
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Rick, You'll like the Piper. Very light handling. I wonder how they set the
prop. The Sport Cruiser dealer in Wichita had both his aircraft set so that
the 912 could only turn 5200 RPM on take off, but the EFIS showed a nice 138
kt cruise. Not exactly LSA legal, but it sure was fun.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
> Boyd
>
> Hey just a bunch of short hops strung together. It is certainly nice to be
> retired so time isn't an issue. It's been in the low 80s and sunny in
> Florida. Come on down.
>
> I will miss not having my Kolb down here this winter but not that $300/
> month hanger charge. I think it will be cheaper to rent this winter. Tuesday
> I'm scheduled to get checked out in a Sport Cruiser (this is the new Piper
> LSA). It will not be anything like a Kolb but it is flying and a bit faster.
>
> Gary when you get down here we will need to schedule a flyin. If we can get
> Buford to leave his home airport again we may be able to talk George A in to
> joining us????
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:02 PM, b young wrote:
>
>> B
>> oyd,
>> Ship it down to Rick Neilsen in Fla.He'll keep it warm for you.
>> G.Aman
>>
>> guess if i were not a scardi cat... and most of all if i were retired
>> and had the time... I would fly it down and keep it warm with rick...
>> should have done it last year when my son was in the keys.
>>
>> boyd
>>
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Boyd,
Just rubb'in it in a little.Packing up the Mk3 and heading south in about 1
0 days.Tell Becky, Marj says hi.
G.A.
-----Original Message-----
From: b young <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Sent: Sat, Nov 20, 2010 12:04 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
Boyd,
Ship it down to Rick Neilsen in Fla.He'll keep it warm for you.
G.Aman
guess if i were not a scardi cat... and most of all if i were retired an
d had the time... I would fly it down and keep it warm with rick... sh
ould have done it last year when my son was in the keys.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Rick, Sounds good to me.See you in a couple weeks
G.A.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 20, 2010 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
Boyd
Hey just a bunch of short hops strung together. It is certainly nice to be
retired so time isn't an issue. It's been in the low 80s and sunny in Flori
da. Come on down.
I will miss not having my Kolb down here this winter but not that $300/ mon
th hanger charge. I think it will be cheaper to rent this winter. Tuesday I
'm scheduled to get checked out in a Sport Cruiser (this is the new Piper L
SA). It will not be anything like a Kolb but it is flying and a bit faster.
Gary when you get down here we will need to schedule a flyin. If we can get
Buford to leave his home airport again we may be able to talk George A in
to joining us????
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:02 PM, b young wrote:
B
oyd,
Ship it down to Rick Neilsen in Fla.He'll keep it warm for you.
G.Aman
guess if i were not a scardi cat... and most of all if i were retired an
d had the time... I would fly it down and keep it warm with rick... sh
ould have done it last year when my son was in the keys.
boyd
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Forget it.
Did the weight and balance today and what a disappointment it turned out to be.
Latex is not lighter than the other systems, and it is a lot harder to work with.
Ended up using 4 different spray guns, and was not happy with any of them.
The airplane will probably look good after the details get touched up, but
what a pain this has been compared with using Stits, Randolph, or Certified Coatings.
Never again. Hope I have not led anyone else astray, if so, please accept my apologies,
this has been a real soup sandwich.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
Richard
I'm just now finishing painting the fuselage on my Pietenpol with Behr gloss exterior
latex. I too tried several spray guns, having some success with a Harbor
Freight touch up gun for small areas, and a Lowes Kobalt Latex spray gun for
large areas. I do not have an HVLP system, but I think one might work. I thinned
just a touch more than the instructions on the paint can which said 1/2 pint
per gallon. I brushed on 3 thinned coats of Glidden gray primer, and sprayed
3 or 4 coats of color. I came out better than I was expecting, but not a professional
job for sure. I will post some pictures in a few days. For me, it didn't
seem too difficult to work with. The cost, and above all no stinky fumes
have me sold on the process. Also I'm painting in my basement.
Malcolm Morrison
Kolb MKII (for sale)
Pietenpol Air Camper
ASW-15
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 7:48:03 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Latex paint
Forget it.
Did the weight and balance today and what a disappointment it turned out to be.
Latex is not lighter than the other systems, and it is a lot harder to work with.
Ended up using 4 different spray guns, and was not happy with any of them.
The airplane will probably look good after the details get touched up, but what
a pain this has been compared with using Stits, Randolph, or Certified Coatings.
Never again. Hope I have not led anyone else astray, if so, please accept my apologies,
this has been a real soup sandwich.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320214#320214
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Richard, I'm just about to start on the tail feathers of Zulu Delta so I'm
interested. Can you give some more detail on how you did the painting?
Sealers and primers? What you'd do different? TIA.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Forget it.
>
> Did the weight and balance today and what a disappointment it turned out to
> be. Latex is not lighter than the other systems, and it is a lot harder to
> work with. Ended up using 4 different spray guns, and was not happy with any
> of them. The airplane will probably look good after the details get touched
> up, but what a pain this has been compared with using Stits, Randolph, or
> Certified Coatings.
>
> Never again. Hope I have not led anyone else astray, if so, please accept
> my apologies, this has been a real soup sandwich.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320214#320214
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hoerner wing tip design? |
John C,
I like the way my plane flies with its Hoerner type wing tip
modifications. It is very good at slow flight and very stable and
controllable even in a deep stall mush.
But would I do it all again, or recommend it for others? Probably not.
The plans built Kolb is already very good at all that, and any
improvement is merely a tweek of what is already every stock Kolb
plane's strong point.
On Nov 19, 2010, at 12:31 PM, John Cooley wrote:
>
> Hello Folks,
>
> Haven't posted much in the past few years but keep a eye on the list
and read almost daily. I have a MK 3 Classic that I bought from Jeremy
Casey about 6 years ago and worked on for awhile then sort of lost
interest. This summer I have discovered 4 or 5 neighbors within 10 miles
or so that are flying that wasn't a few years ago. I have probably put
more hours on my FS II flying with them this summer than I have put on
it the past 3 years combined. This and the fact that I ran into James
Tripp at Ronnie Smith's fly-in has rekindled my desire to finish the
Mark 3. James has a beautiful MK-3 that he has just finished. He had
been flying a Firestar like myself. He has also installed the "Hauck
Special" landing gear as I have done to the MK 3 I have in progress.
> Now to my question to the group. I have been doing some reading on
Hoerner wing tips and would like to hear some comments or thoughts about
installing these on the MK 3 Classic. I know that TNK makes some for the
Xtra out of fiberglass but was thinking of building my own out of
aluminum tubing as some other Kolb copy cat kit builder has done. Would
this be worth the effort on the Kolb wing? Would the span need to be
reduced any due to the effect the Hoerner tips have of lengthening the
effective span? Here is some information on the web from another well
known STOL aircraft sight about these tips:
>
> "For a long time, I=99ve said that Hoerner wing tips should be
used on most light aircraft designs, since they increase the effective
wing span from 8" to over one foot without having to carry any
additional weight: As we all know, there is low pressure on top of the
wing, and higher pressure on the bottom of the wing, with the pressure
difference creating the lift that allows us to fly. Toward the tip of
the wing, the high pressure =98feels=99 that there is less
pressure on the top of the wing (just around the tip), and wants to go
there to equalize the pressure, thus creating a secondary flow out
toward the tip of the wing. This secondary outward flow generates a
vortex (a circular motion) behind the wing."
>
> Any and all information or thoughts are appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks,
> John Cooley
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
by0ung
Have to admit...this does look like fun
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320230#320230
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Ohooooo.......
Gasp...
Is that frozen water?????
Some time in my past I remember bone chilling Michigan winters. I have a
pair of frozen water skies that I built for my MKIIIC. I used water skies
that I glued and screwed a chunk of 2X4 to with blocking for support. The
hinge is a standard door hinge with the hinge pin replaced with a bolt for
easy (sort of) removal. The skies were attached just inside the wheels just
above the ground so that the plane would roll on a hard surface yet slide in
deep snow. The pictured restraining cables keep the skies restrained to a
limited movement yet allow rotation and movement over snow banks. The bungee
shown was doubled and kept the ski tips up in flight. The aluminum tangs
shown fit in front and back of the lower wing strut fittings on the
fuselage.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Dennis Thate wrote:
>
> by0ung
>
>
> Have to admit...this does look like fun
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320230#320230
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_on_skis_190.jpg
>
>
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| From: | "Jerry Deckard" <flypoker(at)windstream.net> |
I am also on the Challenger list. There has been a lot of discussion on
that group about latex. Several guys have used it. Maybe a latex paint
list should be started.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Latex paint
Richard, I'm just about to start on the tail feathers of Zulu Delta so
I'm interested. Can you give some more detail on how you did the
painting? Sealers and primers? What you'd do different? TIA.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Richard Pike
wrote:
Forget it.
Did the weight and balance today and what a disappointment it turned
out to be. Latex is not lighter than the other systems, and it is a lot
harder to work with. Ended up using 4 different spray guns, and was not
happy with any of them. The airplane will probably look good after the
details get touched up, but what a pain this has been compared with
using Stits, Randolph, or Certified Coatings.
Never again. Hope I have not led anyone else astray, if so, please
accept my apologies, this has been a real soup sandwich.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be
unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
it is Dennis that's my old Firestar & the skis I built for it winter flyin
g is the best
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 20, 2010 10:57 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
by0ung
Have to admit...this does look like fun
ead this topic online here:
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
A couple months back I was touting Latex as being a good alternative because I
used it years ago on a couple Hummers, and it went on easy, looked good, and was
light. Used Sears Weatherbeater and thinned it with water.
This time around used blue from Sherwin Williams, and the yellow from Lowes because
those were the brands who best matched the color. Used black for the underbase
and fabric sealer, that worked ok, the rest was hard to spray, none of the
various guns I tried wanted to cooperate.
If I had it to do over, I could have used Certified Coatings brand for about the
same cost, (or Stits for twice as much) and shooting it would have been a lot
less complicated and frustrating.
Maybe if you have the right gun it would be different, but that didn't happen for
me. And the weight turned out about the same, which was the main reason for
doing it - was expecting it to be lighter.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Sorry you had problems. The unfortunate fact is the formulations of the various
house paints are not well revealed which makes
divining their properties difficult unless you buy one of each and test them.
The top rated exteriors now incorporate some urethane
in the blend. From what I've read, California, Pratt and Lambert, Behr and Sears
Weatherbeater Ultra are among the better brands.
It would be tempting to try a clear water based urethane and add a tint to create
your own flex coating.
BB
On 21, Nov 2010, at 9:18 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> A couple months back I was touting Latex as being a good alternative because
I used it years ago on a couple Hummers, and it went on easy, looked good, and
was light. Used Sears Weatherbeater and thinned it with water.
>
> This time around used blue from Sherwin Williams, and the yellow from Lowes because
those were the brands who best matched the color. Used black for the underbase
and fabric sealer, that worked ok, the rest was hard to spray, none of
the various guns I tried wanted to cooperate.
>
> If I had it to do over, I could have used Certified Coatings brand for about
the same cost, (or Stits for twice as much) and shooting it would have been a
lot less complicated and frustrating.
>
> Maybe if you have the right gun it would be different, but that didn't happen
for me. And the weight turned out about the same, which was the main reason for
doing it - was expecting it to be lighter.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320330#320330
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
by0ung
Have to admit...this does look like fun
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
have to admit,,, i have never tired skis..... thought about it a
bunch.
boyd young
mkIII
utah
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
Richard,
Did you thin your latex paint with water and methyl or ethanol alcohol?
Since I was attaching fabric to foam fairings, I applied non cut latex with
a brush to hold the fabric to the foam. It worked like a charm. The only
problem I had was that, due to the high surface tension very small bubbles
floated up to the surface, and they did not break out of the surface.
In Googling about how RC modelers use latex, I found that they thin latex
with windshield wiper fluid. The alcohol breaks down or lowers the surface
tension and increases the wet ability of the mixture, and the water thins
out the mixture. I believe you could expect better spray gun performance
with the addition of the alcohol. One can check this out by dipping a straw
into the latex paint and observing the drop size as on slowly rotates the
straw to form a drop on the end of the straw. Next take a sample and cut it
with water and alcohol and perform the same test. The drop size should
become smaller indicating surface tension reduction.
FWIW
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: non Kolb but |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I too would like a copy.
Thanks in advance
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: non Kolb but |
http://www.cdsg.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=381
OR MAYBE THIS
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 12:40:56 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: non Kolb but
I too would like a copy.
Thanks in advance
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Did you thin your latex paint with water and methyl or ethanol alcohol?
>
>
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
Used a flow agent I bought from the Sherwin-Williams store, it is supposed to thin
the latex, make it flow out smoothly, but not slow down the tack/drying process.
After I got home and read the can, it is about the same stuff as windshield
washer fluid. Costs a lot more...
And it helped, but the results are still - well - I will be spending the day in
the garage tomorrow dealing with the blemishes.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: non Kolb but |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Thanks for the post....that's great aviation history. I was there there in the
1980's...what a dramatic change from how I remembered It.
When will they make public the the Roswell crash UFO ! [Wink]
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
have to admit,,, i have never tired skis.>>
Hi,
I have a friend, a CFI of a local ultralight school who told me that in
his youth he tied the bumpers (fender?) of a car to the undercariage.
This was in a particularly hard winter and he wanted to visit his girl
friend on the other side of the valley.
Of course this was in olden times when they were a separate item which
could be easily unbolted from the car, not moulded into the body as they
are now.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | A bit of humor ...I hope ! |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I have a feeling this was built by someone who would prefer to live in south Florida
if they could afford to do so.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320534#320534
Attachments:
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| Subject: | T.R.'s engine spacer blocks |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Thom, Almost finished with the engine spacers. All that's left is to radius
the corners, deburr and alodine. All are .25" base, although I had to spot
face the front 2 holes on the forward blocks when the angle over ran the
boss, but an extra washer should keep you from having to replace bolts, same
with the AN6's through them, too. Aft blocks are counterbored so their
should be no problem with the bolts through them. I made sure of the 9.5"
dimension by cleco'ing a pair to the engine mount of my Firestar so I could
scribe a line to pick up when I drilled the forward blocks.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | emergency landing |
Looks like a Kolb?
http://www.fox43.com/news/wpmt-aircraft-crash-east-earl-township,0,5538875.story
-Dana
--
The problem with telling a Lawyer joke is that lawyers don't think it's
funny and the rest of the people don't think it's a joke.
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: emergency landing |
- It certainly looks like an FS2.- Doesn't look familiar.- Anything f
rom the FAA on it?
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--------------------- Bill Sulliv
an
--- On Mon, 11/22/10, Dana Hague wrote:
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: emergency landing
Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 10:00 PM
Looks like a Kolb?
http://www.fox43.com/news/wpmt-aircraft-crash-east-earl-township,0,5538875.
story
-Dana
--
The problem with telling a Lawyer joke is that lawyers don't think it's fun
ny and the rest of the people don't think it's a joke.
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: emergency landing |
| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
it is a Kolb Glad to hear there was no injuries, Who is the guilty one ?
come on fess up,what was the problem ?
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 10:00 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: emergency landing
Looks like a Kolb?
http://www.fox43.com/news/wpmt-aircraft-crash-east-earl-township,0,5538875
.story
-Dana
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The problem with telling a Lawyer joke is that lawyers don't think it's
funny and the rest of the people don't think it's a joke.
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: emergency landing |
Love that guy who said "I thought the pilot was going to die, basically"
How else?
Pat
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| From: | Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: T.R.'s engine spacer blocks |
Thanks a bunch, Rick. Sounds like you did exactly what was needed. Email me
off-list and let me know how much I owe you and where to send the check.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: emergency landing |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
http://piloteditor.dotphoto.com/CPViewAlbum.asp?AID=5970587&IID=225349545&Page=1
Here is a friend of mine....who's inexperience in strong winds caused this media
frenzy. No injuries fortunately..... Extremely damaged ego , I'm sure.
--------
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick
Moynihan
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| From: | "rob and jennifer" <leecanon(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Mark III wings on a Mark II |
I have a Mark II that I wish to install a set of Mark III wings on. The
spar tab to drag strut fitting measurements are the same, but the spar
tab on the M3 wing is welded on lower which would increase the angle of
incidence. My question is, does anyone happen to know the M3's wing
angle of incidence sitting on level ground ( specify stock or tall gear
) or the angle between the fuse tube(or horizontal stab) and wing
bottom.
thanks, Rob Cannon
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II |
Mike Welch is the numbers repository in that category. Mike, put down
that beer.
BB
On 23, Nov 2010, at 5:19 PM, rob and jennifer wrote:
> I have a Mark II that I wish to install a set of Mark III wings on.
The spar tab to drag strut fitting measurements are the same, but the
spar tab on the M3 wing is welded on lower which would increase the
angle of incidence. My question is, does anyone happen to know the M3's
wing angle of incidence sitting on level ground ( specify stock or tall
gear ) or the angle between the fuse tube(or horizontal stab) and wing
bottom.
> thanks, Rob Cannon
>
>
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Mark III wings on a Mark II |
Bob=2C
That's the funniest thing I've seen all day!! I was just getting ready t
o
shoot him off an email=2C and had to finish reading all my unread mail=2C w
ith yours
being my last one.
My beer=2C as a matter of fact=2C was the root variety. A&W diet root beer
. : )
BTW=2C I've been working on my overhead panel/front panel/console. I had
to take a detour to build some electronic circuits (that install into the p
anels).
Best regards=2C Mike
From: slyck(at)frontiernet.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III wings on a Mark II
Date: Tue=2C 23 Nov 2010 19:23:05 -0500
Mike Welch is the numbers repository in that category. Mike=2C put down th
at beer.
BB
On 23=2C Nov 2010=2C at 5:19 PM=2C rob and jennifer wrote:
I have a Mark II that I wish to install a set of Mark III wings on. The sp
ar tab to drag strut fitting measurements are the same=2C but the spar tab
on the M3 wing is welded on lower which would increase the angle of inciden
ce. My question is=2C does anyone happen to know the M3's wing angle of inc
idence sitting on level ground ( specify stock or tall gear ) or the angle
between the fuse tube(or horizontal stab) and wing bottom.
thanks=2C Rob Cannon
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II |
Well at least it wasn't that ghastly Dr Pepper.
My plane is back in the corner of the basement, safe from the elements
and the vermin. It wasn't until the very end of the
season that I solved a vexing problem with my carb. I flew it once and
pulled the wings. -tough to do but here near the
arctic circle things need to be placed in the proper shelter until
spring.
I hope to get a few little things done to it while near the toolbox. I
had been using one of those Harbor Freight type switches
for a battery disconnect. They work... and then they don't. I have a
different switch coming and may also install a regular
key switch for start.
I had replaced the old gas tanks in the spring. I was unhappy with them
so have two new ones from another source to install
this winter. If they are gooduns I'll post after the fact. same with
this new disconnect switch.
I might do more.... but then again, I may not.
BB
On 23, Nov 2010, at 7:48 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> Bob,
>
> That's the funniest thing I've seen all day!! I was just getting
ready to
> shoot him off an email, and had to finish reading all my unread mail,
with yours
> being my last one.
>
> My beer, as a matter of fact, was the root variety. A&W diet root
beer. : )
>
> BTW, I've been working on my overhead panel/front panel/console. I
had
> to take a detour to build some electronic circuits (that install into
the panels).
>
> Best regards, Mike
>
> From: slyck(at)frontiernet.net
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III wings on a Mark II
> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:23:05 -0500
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Mike Welch is the numbers repository in that category. Mike, put down
that beer.
> BB
>
> On 23, Nov 2010, at 5:19 PM, rob and jennifer wrote:
>
> I have a Mark II that I wish to install a set of Mark III wings on.
The spar tab to drag strut fitting measurements are the same, but the
spar tab on the M3 wing is welded on lower which would increase the
angle of incidence. My question is, does anyone happen to know the M3's
wing angle of incidence sitting on level ground ( specify stock or tall
gear ) or the angle between the fuse tube(or horizontal stab) and wing
bottom.
> thanks, Rob Cannon
>
>
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | heading to Geneseo |
at least a dozen balloons in the way
DSCN1381.JPG copy
after 60 missions....
Gooney bird wanted a push
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II |
My beer, as a matter of fact, was the root variety.>>
That jogged a memory. On my first visit to the US, to see Apollo 17
launch, root beer was available from a dispenser at my Cocoa Beach
hotel. Almost everything I knew about America had been gleaned from
reading the Saturday Evening Post, particularly the
advertisements,cartoons etc,
Shlitz, the beer that made Milwaukee famous` I remember 60 years later.
Also ads. for gleaming great cars with tail fins. They had engines of
incredible horsepower,were bigger than any truck then in the UK and, I
discovered later, steered like the Nimitz. they also used more fuel per
mile than my car did in a month.
But Root Beer! That was THE American drink, next to Coke, I learned. It
was therefore with glee that I put my coin in the slot and obtained a
can of root beer. Ir was one of the great disappointments of my life.
Never had I encountered such a horrible tasting drink. I passed the can
to my brother who took a swig and was almost sick on the spot. We looked
at each other in disbelief and solemnly poured the remainder down the
lavatory. Yuck!
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Nelson, Craig" <craig.nelson(at)heraeus.com> |
Gang
Im selling my cowl mold. Anyone interested make an offer
Uncle craig
[cid:image003.jpg(at)01CB8BBF.56AAA730]
Technical Manager
HERAEUS
300 Heraeus Way
South Bend IN
86614 USA
Direct 623-764-0680
craig.nelson(at)heraeus.com
www.heraeus-kulzer-us.com
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II/Home And Ready To Fly |
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Ladd
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III wings on a Mark II
My beer, as a matter of fact, was the root variety.>>
That jogged a memory. On my first visit to the US, to see Apollo 17 launch,
root beer was available from a dispenser at my Cocoa Beach hotel. Almost
everything I knew about America had been gleaned from reading the Saturday
Evening Post, particularly the advertisements,cartoons etc,
Shlitz, the beer that made Milwaukee famous` I remember 60 years later. Also
ads. for gleaming great cars with tail fins. They had engines of incredible
horsepower,were bigger than any truck then in the UK and, I discovered
later, steered like the Nimitz. they also used more fuel per mile than my
car did in a month.
But Root Beer! That was THE American drink, next to Coke, I learned. It was
therefore with glee that I put my coin in the slot and obtained a can of
root beer. Ir was one of the great disappointments of my life. Never had I
encountered such a horrible tasting drink. I passed the can to my brother
who took a swig and was almost sick on the spot. We looked at each other in
disbelief and solemnly poured the remainder down the lavatory. Yuck!
Cheers
Pat
Kolb Friends:
Seems the Kolb Aircraft Builders and Flyers List has turned to BS, with
little or no resemblence to its intended purpose.
The individual members of this List are responsible for the quality of the
List. It will be what we make it.
I haven't flown my Kolb in more than 6 months. Have not seen the MKIII in
more than 3 months. Hopefully, I can get over to the airstrip today to see
if I still have an airplane. I got my my medical renewed while I was still
in physical therapy, back in August, but did not have time to get my BFR
prior to departing West. Got a lot of catching up to do.
Been walking without a cane for two weeks now. Life is getting much better.
Maybe I will be able to get my MKIII out of the hanger by myself. If not, I
can call of friends to come help me push. I think I can get in and out of
it by myself. I know I can operate the rudder pedals with no problem.
Flying should be a piece of cake.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
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| From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II/Home And Ready To Fly |
Hello all,=0A=0AJohn thanks for bringing the recent content of the list to
everyones atten. Seem =0Alike its all about=0Awho can think of the --cutest
-- one liners , and verry little meat and potatos =0Aabout Kokbs and flying
them.=0A- Am planing to move to north Arkansas in Dec--Fayettville or Mo
untin Home most =0Alikely. If there are any=0AKolbers in that area please E
mail me with contact info. Would like to get =0Aaquainted. Thanks.=0A=0AFr
ank Goodnight=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John H
auck =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, Nove
mber 24, 2010 9:37:10 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III wings on a Mark
" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Pat
Ladd=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:4
0 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III wings on a Mark II=0A=0A=0AMy beer,
as a matter of fact, was the root variety.>>=0A=0AThat jogged a memory. On
my first visit to the US, to see Apollo 17 launch, =0Aroot beer was availa
ble from a dispenser at my Cocoa Beach hotel.- Almost =0Aeverything I kne
w about America had been gleaned from reading the Saturday =0AEvening Post,
particularly the advertisements,cartoons etc,=0AShlitz, the beer that made
Milwaukee famous` I remember 60 years later. Also =0Aads. for gleaming gre
at cars with tail fins. They had engines of incredible =0Ahorsepower,were b
igger than any truck then in the UK and, I discovered =0Alater, steered lik
e the Nimitz.- they also used more fuel per mile than my =0Acar did in a
month.=0ABut Root Beer! That was THE American drink, next to Coke, I learne
d. It was =0Atherefore with glee that I put my coin in the slot and obtaine
d a can of =0Aroot beer. Ir was one of the great disappointments of my life
. Never had I =0Aencountered such a- horrible tasting drink. I passed the
can to my brother =0Awho took a swig and was almost sick on the spot. We l
ooked at each other in =0Adisbelief and solemnly poured the remainder down
the lavatory. Yuck!=0A=0ACheers=0A=0APat=0A=0A=0AKolb Friends:=0A=0ASeems t
he Kolb Aircraft Builders and Flyers List has turned to BS, with =0Alittle
or no resemblence to its intended purpose.=0A=0AThe individual members of t
his List are responsible for the quality of the =0AList.- It will be what
we make it.=0A=0AI haven't flown my Kolb in more than 6 months.- Have no
t seen the MKIII in =0Amore than 3 months.- Hopefully, I can get over to
the airstrip today to see =0Aif I still have an airplane.- I got my my me
dical renewed while I was still =0Ain physical therapy, back in August, but
did not have time to get my BFR =0Aprior to departing West.- Got a lot o
f catching up to do.=0A=0ABeen walking without a cane for two weeks now.-
Life is getting much better. =0AMaybe I will be able to get my MKIII out o
f the hanger by myself.- If not, I =0Acan call of friends to come help me
push.- I think I can get in and out of =0Ait by myself.- I know I can
operate the rudder pedals with no problem. =0AFlying should be a piece of c
ake.=0A=0AHappy Thanksgiving everyone!=0A=0Ajohn h=0AmkIII=0Ahauck's holler
======================
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Am planing to move to north Arkansas in Dec--Fayettville or Mountin Home
most likely. If there are any
Kolbers in that area please E mail me with contact info. Would like to get
aquainted. Thanks.
Frank Goodnight
Frank G/Gang:
Recommend looking into a little town called Mountain View, AR. I usually
land their for fuel on my return flights from Oregon. Seems to be a nice
little airport with a lot of really friendly builders and flyers there.
Mountain View is located 36 air miles south of Mountain Home.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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| From: | "Vic" <vicsv(at)myfairpoint.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II/Home And Ready To Fly |
Better move over John. I now have 14 lifetime solo landings. If you stay
out of
your Kolb I figure in 2 or 300 years I'll have as much time as you!
Thanks for the holiday wishes. Right back at ya!
Just one problem, Thanksgiving isn't quite here yet and I've already
gained a gallon of fuel!
Vic
Extra
Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III wings on a Mark II |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Ah, Pat, that hurts. One of the great memories of my life is going to the A
& W drive in to get a gallon of their root beer to take home. My Grandpa and
I had mugs that we kept in the freezer just for a frosted drink on a hot
afternoon. Nothing finer. Fifty years later it's still one of my favorite
treats even though he's not here to share it with me.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
> My beer, as a matter of fact, was the root variety.>>
>
> That jogged a memory. On my first visit to the US, to see Apollo 17 launch,
> root beer was available from a dispenser at my Cocoa Beach hotel. Almost
> everything I knew about America had been gleaned from reading the Saturday
> Evening Post, particularly the advertisements,cartoons etc,
> Shlitz, the beer that made Milwaukee famous` I remember 60 years later.
> Also ads. for gleaming great cars with tail fins. They had engines of
> incredible horsepower,were bigger than any truck then in the UK and, I
> discovered later, steered like the Nimitz. they also used more fuel per
> mile than my car did in a month.
> But Root Beer! That was THE American drink, next to Coke, I learned. It was
> therefore with glee that I put my coin in the slot and obtained a can of
> root beer. Ir was one of the great disappointments of my life. Never had I
> encountered such a horrible tasting drink. I passed the can to my brother
> who took a swig and was almost sick on the spot. We looked at each other in
> disbelief and solemnly poured the remainder down the lavatory. Yuck!
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter like weather
have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private Pilot with
four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's 152's 150's. I
plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring and then a lot of Crow
Hopping in no wind conditions any on a 6000' runway before I take my plane home
to my grass strip.
I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar pilots with
considerable experience in that airplane about flying this airplane safely.
Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to the point comments only
,Please.
--------
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick
Moynihan
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| Subject: | Novice Kolb Pilot |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter like weather
have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private Pilot with
four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's 152's 150's. I
plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring and then a lot of Crow
Hopping in no wind conditions on a 6000' runway before I take my plane home
to my grass strip.
I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar pilots with
considerable experience in that airplane about flying this airplane safely.
Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to the point comments only
,Please.
--------
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick
Moynihan
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| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
You'll hear many support the idea, but crow hopping has been the demise of
many over the years. Especially new tail wheel pilots in new to them
airplanes. These airplanes have very little inertia and speed bleeds
quickly. Crow hopping on hard surface with a new Kolb guy will probably get
something bent.
Perry Rhoads
503 Firestar N2407A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Novice Kolb Pilot
>
> I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter like
> weather have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private
> Pilot with four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's
> 152's 150's. I plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring and
> then a lot of Crow Hopping in no wind conditions on a 6000' runway before
> I take my plane home to my grass strip.
>
> I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar
> pilots with considerable experience in that airplane about flying this
> airplane safely. Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to
> the point comments only ,Please.
>
> --------
> "?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own
> facts.? Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320828#320828
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Dennis, Just one comment, pithy and to the point as requested. Crow hopping
is a bad idea, IMHO. You have enough to do on takeoff without adding making
an instant transition to landing. How many crow hops have you done in the G
A
aircraft you've flown? If you're like me, the answer is zero. You say you
want to know how to fly your Firestar safely, so fly it. Take off, go aroun
d
the pattern, set up for landing, land. You won't have any of the muscle
memory and sight picture recognition in your first flights so why compound
your lack of experience with having to make split second corrections in an
abnormal transition from climb to landing.
While you're getting prepared this winter I'd recommend you read "Stick and
Rudder" with particular attention to the concept of "the spot that does not
move" for landing spot aim point recognition, and "The Compleat Taildragger
Pilot" by Harvey S. Plourde and his arguments as to why high speed taxiing
a
taildragger is a dangerous thing to do.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dennis Thate wrote
:
>
> I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter lik
e
> weather have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private
> Pilot with four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's
> 152's 150's. I plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring an
d
> then a lot of Crow Hopping in no wind conditions any on a 6000' runway
> before I take my plane home to my grass strip.
>
> I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar pilo
ts
> with considerable experience in that airplane about flying this airplane
> safely. Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to the point
> comments only ,Please.
>
> --------
> "=93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
=94
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320827#320827
>
>
> Attachments:
>
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>
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl
e
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Dennis, Just one comment, pithy and to the point as requested. Crow hopping
is a bad idea, IMHO. You have enough to do on takeoff without adding making
an instant transition to landing. How many crow hops have you done in the G
A
aircraft you've flown? If you're like me, the answer is zero. You say you
want to know how to fly your Firestar safely, so fly it. Take off, go aroun
d
the pattern, set up for landing, land. You won't have any of the muscle
memory and sight picture recognition in your first flights so why compound
your lack of experience with having to make split second corrections in an
abnormal transition from climb to landing.
While you're getting prepared this winter I'd recommend you read "Stick and
Rudder" with particular attention to the concept of "the spot that does not
move" for landing spot aim point recognition, and "The Compleat Taildragger
Pilot" by Harvey S. Plourde and his arguments as to why high speed taxiing
a
taildragger is a dangerous thing to do.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dennis Thate wrote
:
>
> I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter lik
e
> weather have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private
> Pilot with four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's
> 152's 150's. I plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring an
d
> then a lot of Crow Hopping in no wind conditions any on a 6000' runway
> before I take my plane home to my grass strip.
>
> I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar pilo
ts
> with considerable experience in that airplane about flying this airplane
> safely. Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to the point
> comments only ,Please.
>
> --------
> "=93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
=94
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320827#320827
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_eis_314.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_181.jpg
>
>
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>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl
e
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | novice Kolb pilot |
I agree with Perry. It is my opinion that it takes more skill to crow
hop a Kolb then to just fly one. I would tie the Firestar down, and
make sure it will develop full power. Then I would look for a nice
grass strip on a calm day, and give it a go. When you land, approach
fast and hold the FS one or two feet off the ground until it slows
down and lands. Lanny FSII 503 DCDI
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| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
HINTS TO SAVE YOUR BUTT
1 Fly off of a grass strip, at least in the beginning. Grass helps immensely
in keeping the tail in its preferred position (behind you). Fortunately, the
Firestar has a fairly long fuselage and is not overly sensitive for a tailwheel
airplane.
2 Push stick forward. The Firestar has a high thrust-line for its pusher prop.
When you come back on the throttle, the nose will want to come up; so immediately
the get stick forward to maintain airspeed or bad things will happen.
3 Get some dual time in an airplane absolutely as close in configuration to the
same plane as you will be flying. For you, this will be a Kolb Mark III.
If your intended dual time is in a Cub or Aeronca type airplane, FORGET IT. The
Kolbs are wonderful airplanes but are extremely draggy and with very low wing
loading they react MUCH differently than Cubs or Aeroncas.
4 Practice stalls and engine out landings with an instructor in the Mark III.
5 Congratulate yourself on choosing a fine airplane. You are going to have a
lot of fun, come spring.
P.S. Steps 3 and 4 saved my life. When I was in the beginning stages, a crow
hop scared the crap out of me. I drove to PA for a couple hours of dual instruction
in the factory demonstrator that I credit for saving my butt when things
began to unravel on my first solo flight.
--------
Jerry King
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| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Thanks All who responded so far
Racer Jerry...I'm told this airplane is very easy to fly but has a peculiar temperament
with it's freewheeling prop to really slows down quickly when you pull
the power back on approach and it takes a steep approach 'stick forward' to
keep the speed up. I did ride in a two seat Demo Kolb at Oshkosh...so I know it's
sink rate is fast.
So does a Kolb Firestar 503 need right or left rudder in take-offs & Climbs?
Regardless of it' idiosyncrasies I think it's a great design and I'm eager to
master it and fly it safely.
--------
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Moynihan
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| From: | "The Kuffels" <kuffel(at)cyberport.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
Dennis,
Besides the other good comments, suggest you download a copy of AC90-89A
from FAA.gov. Both they and the EAA in their manuals on flight test for
homebuilts recommend you do a series of low and high speed taxi tests.
This is *not* crow hopping. You slowly add (very small amounts of)
power on repeated runs. The idea is to be comfortable with accurately
raising the tail and controlling direction with rudder as well as having
an idea of what your landing sight picture will look like.. Suggest you
follow closely the Advisory Circular through First Flight as this will
also have you checking your aircraft condition as well as your piloting
practice for First Landing.
The only other point I would reemphasize is general aviation pilots are
not ready for how fast these high drag/low inertia airplanes slow down
when power is reduced. The remedy is to carry significant power all the
way to touchdown. For example, the Zenith CH701 crowd say to use 3000
rpm on the Rotax 912S for the first several hours.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
EAA Flight Advisor
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| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
So does a Kolb Firestar 503 need right or left rudder in take-offs & Climbs?
I have only ever flown my FSII, so I don`t speak for all Kolbs. I
never noticed that I need one or the other (left OR right rudder) on
take-off and climb. I use BOTH right and left, whatever inputs it
takes to keep the aircraft in the middle of the runway. Lanny FSII N598LF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
The remedy is to carry significant power all the way to touchdown. For
example, the Zenith CH701 crowd say to use 3000 rpm on the Rotax 912S for
the first several hours.
Tom Kuffel
Tom K/Gang:
Don't know about the CH701, but my 912S powered MKIII turns about 2600-3000
rpm in a steep approach at idle power. Been so long I don't really
remember. ;-(
Your points are good.
I would like to add one thing. After you take off and climb to about 1,000
feet AGL, check your stall speed, then on your first approach keep at least
10-15 mph above this indicated stall speed all the way to the ground. Hard
to stall a Kolb and drop one in under those conditions.
There are a lot of bent Kolbs because the pilot did not maintain airspeed
above the stall. We have experienced Kolb pilots that have let themselves
get into that situation. I like to keep a good cross check on my ASI during
approach.
Just got back from Gantt International Airport. Other than a lot of barn
dust, carpenter bee and bird crap, several nice sized mud daubers nest, and
a couple small bites in the top edge of the right seat back, Miss P'fer (P
fer Plane) is good to go. I need to replace the battery, pulled it and kept
it charged while I was gone. Must also check the carb float bowls and add
some fresh fuel to the tank. I left it stored with some avgas and mogas,
plus Marvel Mystery Oil. The MMO seems to do about the same job as Stabil.
My Nissan V6 that sat for 3 months cranked right up and ran like it did when
I parked it. The Nissan did the same thing last year and the year before
that. Have the same sort of luck with Suzuki dirt bike, ATV, lawn tractor,
and antique tractors that spend long periods in storage.
Good to be home,
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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| Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Thanks again,
..........To all who contributed good information and especially the AC90-89A
from FAA.gov. . Looks like I'll have it all right in my 'minds eye' when this
Spring comes around again.
--------
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick
Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Thanks again,
..........To all who contributed good information and especially the AC90-89A
from FAA.gov. . Looks like I'll have it all right in my 'minds eye' when this
Spring comes around again.
--------
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick
Moynihan
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
I use BOTH right and left, whatever inputs it
takes to keep the aircraft in the middle of the runway. Lanny FSII
N598LF
Lanny F/Gang:
Took the words right out of my mouth. I do as you do, fly the airplane
keeping it right down the middle.
That's the secret to flying a Kolb, "fly the airplane, whatever it takes to
be in control".
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
John ,Glad to hear you made home and all was well Hope you and missPfer get
back =0Ain the sky soon watch out for those bugs !Im sure you know about t
hat. your =0Afriend CChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisable
d from crash building Firefly =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________
__=0AFrom: ope John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.
com=0ASent: Wed, November 24, 2010 4:04:13 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Ser
ious and to the point comments only ,Please.=0A=0A=0A-=0A-The remedy is
to carry significant power all the way to touchdown.- For =0Aexample, th
e Zenith CH701 crowd say to use 3000 rpm on the Rotax 912S for the =0Afirst
several hours.=0A-=0ATom Kuffel=0A-=0A-=0ATom K/Gang:=0A-=0ADon't
know about the CH701, but my 912S powered MKIII-turns about 2600-3000 rpm
=0Ain a steep approach at idle power.- Been so long I don't really remem
ber.- ;-(=0A-=0AYour points are good.=0A-=0AI would like to add one t
hing.- After you take off and climb to about 1,000 feet =0AAGL, check you
r stall speed, then on your first approach keep-at least 10-15-mph =0Aa
bove this indicated stall speed all the way to the ground.- Hard to stall
a =0AKolb and drop one in under those conditions.=0A-=0AThere are a lot
of bent Kolbs because the pilot did not maintain airspeed above =0Athe stal
l.- We have experienced Kolb pilots that have let themselves get into =0A
that situation.- I like to keep a good cross check on my ASI during appro
ach.=0A-=0AJust got back from Gantt International Airport.- Other than
a lot of barn dust, =0Acarpenter bee and bird crap, several nice sized mud
daubers nest, and a couple =0Asmall bites in the top edge of the right seat
back, Miss P'fer (P fer Plane) is =0Agood to go.- I need to replace the
battery, pulled it and kept it charged =0Awhile-I was gone.-- Must al
so check the carb float bowls and add some fresh fuel =0Ato the tank.- I
left it stored with some avgas and mogas, plus Marvel Mystery =0AOil.- Th
e MMO seems to do about the same job as Stabil.- My Nissan V6 that sat
=0Afor 3 months cranked right up and ran like it did when I parked it.- T
he Nissan =0Adid the same thing last year and the year before that.- Have
the same sort of =0Aluck with Suzuki dirt bike, ATV, lawn tractor, and ant
ique tractors that spend =0Along periods in storage.=0A-=0AGood to be hom
================= =0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
........She's a pretty one !
My new bird...http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N49WR.html
I just became the legal owner today according to the FAA
--------
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick
Moynihan
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
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| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Rudder on take off and climb? Because there's no prop in front of you, you
can use a yaw string to determine, well, yaw. Just a small piece of yarn an
d
a reference line (tape, Sharpie line, just has to be dark and thin) and you
r
there. Ignore it on take off and keep to the center of the runway, after
lift off it will be the opposite of what you've learned to do with a ball
(step on the ball). Which rudder pedal you need to press depends on your
prop, your redrive, whether the previous owner put a trim tab on and if
there is a trim tab, how much it's bent. The nice thing about a yaw string,
besides the cost, is that you don't have to think about it a lot, just keep
it on the reference line.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Dennis Thate wrote
:
>
> Thanks All who responded so far
>
> Racer Jerry...I'm told this airplane is very easy to fly but has a peculi
ar
> temperament with it's freewheeling prop to really slows down quickly when
> you pull the power back on approach=85=85=85 and it takes a steep approac
h 'stick
> forward' to keep the speed up. I did ride in a two seat Demo Kolb at
> Oshkosh...so I know it's sink rate is fast.
>
>
> So does a Kolb Firestar 503 need right or left rudder in take-offs &
> Climbs?
>
> Regardless of it' idiosyncrasies I think it's a great design and I'm
> eager to master it and fly it safely.
>
> --------
> "=93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
=94
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320852#320852
>
>
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>
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl
e
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| From: | "Jerry Deckard" <flypoker(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
I was in the same shape back in May.
I have a Firestar with 503.
My prior experience, 0 taildragger hours, 350 in a Challenger II, 50 in a
Quicksilver 50 in GA planes and 2000 in Army helicopters.
I would recommend grass instead of hardsurface.
The GA taildragger may help with the tail dragger part, but not a bit in the
landing an approach. The Kolb glides like a rock. If you get a little slow
and flare at 10 feet, it will drop.
Get some time in a Kolb Mark III if possible, next after that may be a
quicksilver, then a challenger or hawk.
I don't about the hawk, but the challenger glides much better than a
firestar.
I did fast taxi on grass untill I was confident on the ground handling. The
I took off. The first few landing, keep up the speed, keep and power in it
and fly it to the ground.
Good luck, these are fun planes to fly.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Novice Kolb Pilot
>
> I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter like
> weather have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private
> Pilot with four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's
> 152's 150's. I plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring and
> then a lot of Crow Hopping in no wind conditions on a 6000' runway before
> I take my plane home to my grass strip.
>
> I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar
> pilots with considerable experience in that airplane about flying this
> airplane safely. Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to
> the point comments only ,Please.
>
> --------
> "?oEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own
> facts.? Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320828#320828
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb Related In That It Flys |
Have a good day tomorrow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGUnTsunNOA
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Next time you camp in your Kolb |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Keep this story in mind....it's True !
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/dispatches/news/3370-an-appetite-for-revenge
http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/wanderer/2009/11/10/bears-just-one-more-flying-hazard-in-alaska/
During a private "fly-in" fishing excursion in the Alaskan wilderness, the chartered
pilot and fishermen left a cooler and bait in the plane. And a bear smelled
it. This is what the bear did to the plane.
The pilot used his radio and had another pilot bring him 2 new tires, 3 cases of
duct tape, and a supply of sheet plastic. He patched the plane together, and
FLEW IT HOME !
--------
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Daniel Patrick
Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please. |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Dennis,
The only thing I would add to those previous comments is make your first fl
ight a longer one.It takes time to get the feel of something this light.The
best place to practice approaches is at altitude,and stall it if you are c
omfortable enough,or just fly it as slow as you can and maneuver it a bit.Y
ou're gonna like it,I think it's Homers"Most fun to fly aircraft".I put 600
hrs on my FS2 and have almost that much on the MK-3 now.
G.Aman MK-3 C Jabiru 2200A 600hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 11:53 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Serious and to the point comments only ,Please.
I have yet to fly my 2006 Kolb Firestar that I just purchased. Winter like
weather have grounded it until Spring, which is fine by me. I'm a Private P
ilot
with four hundred hours in mostly Piper Warriors and Cessna 172's 152's 150
's. I
plan on getting some tail dragger dual time this Spring and then a lot of C
row
Hopping in no wind conditions any on a 6000' runway before I take my plane
home
to my grass strip.
I would like some pointers, but only from 503 Rotax Kolb Firestar pilot
s
with considerable experience in that airplane about flying this airplane sa
fely.
Things to do ...things not to do ! Serious and to the point comments o
nly
,Please.
--------
"=C3=A2=C2=C2=9CEveryone is entitled to his own opinion, but not hi
s own facts.=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320827#320827
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I have some abraded areas on my fuse frame (FS1). The paint/primer/sealer
stuff on there now is a greenish color. Is it safe to assume this is zinc
chromate?
I need to touch it up- where do you suppose I should go to get some more
paint? What kind should I use? Will spray on one part stuff stick to 2-part?
Should I get 2-part zinc chromate primer? I really only need a very little
and didn't want to invest heavily in the stuff. Maybe if you-all concur it
is zinc chromate, maybe a local flier has some left over. I unnerstan this
stuff costs lots to ship as it is a hazardous material.
Thanks
GeoB
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb FS1 fuse floor |
I notice in pictures that many/most Kolbs have a floor from the nose cone
extending back past the pilot seat. It may just be fabric, not sure. Mine
has only a short sheet of aluminum which extends back a short ways and ends
before the control stick. I 'spose this is nice and light, but it seems
vulnerable to every pen and flashlight I might ever drop. Do most folks just
use fabric? I was thinking painted aluminum would be less vulnerable, plus
more immune to weeds scratching it too. What do you think?
GeoB
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| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
George, My FSII cockpit is covered with fabric on the outside. On the
inside there is an aluminum plate that extends to about my hips when
seated in the pilots seat. Not only does this protect the fabric, but
it also allowed me to mount my radio and other accessories to my
floor using rivnuts. Lanny N598LF
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| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
| From: | "abumhoffer" <abim(at)speednetllc.com> |
Get your dual time in an Ultralight or light sport tail dragger and fly it to the
ground when landing. Al
--------
Al Bumhoffer, Elkton, MI, Aerolite 103
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 33 Msgs - 11/24/10 |
John H.
Glad you are back and preparing to fly. Sure do miss your input on the list when
you are down.
Bob
VW MKIIIX builder
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| Subject: | Re: Zinc Chromate? |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
George, The problem with any one part paint is it is easy prey for solvents.
If you have to do a fabric repair the solvent in the glue will ruin the
paint and the fabric won't stick. Almost any epoxy primer is resistant to
solvent once it is fully cured.
O'Reilly's Auto parts stocks a line of epoxy primers that can be bought in
qts and is about half the price of Polyfiber's epoxy primer. When I talked
with the engineer at the company whose products O'Reilly's sells he assured
me of its ability to withstand even MEK.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:32 AM, George Bearden wrote:
>
> I have some abraded areas on my fuse frame (FS1). The paint/primer/sealer
> stuff on there now is a greenish color. Is it safe to assume this is zinc
> chromate?
>
> I need to touch it up- where do you suppose I should go to get some more
> paint? What kind should I use? Will spray on one part stuff stick to
> 2-part?
> Should I get 2-part zinc chromate primer? I really only need a very little
> and didn't want to invest heavily in the stuff. Maybe if you-all concur it
> is zinc chromate, maybe a local flier has some left over. I unnerstan this
> stuff costs lots to ship as it is a hazardous material.
>
> Thanks
> GeoB
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb FS1 fuse floor |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
I used 1/4" Birch plywood in my Mk IIIC and made it just big enough to rest
my heels on comfortably. Cheap, light, easy to replace, and I attached it
with MS21919 (Adel) clamps so there's no need to drill holes in the fuselage
tubing.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:53 AM, George Bearden wrote:
>
> I notice in pictures that many/most Kolbs have a floor from the nose cone
> extending back past the pilot seat. It may just be fabric, not sure. Mine
> has only a short sheet of aluminum which extends back a short ways and ends
> before the control stick. I 'spose this is nice and light, but it seems
> vulnerable to every pen and flashlight I might ever drop. Do most folks
> just
> use fabric? I was thinking painted aluminum would be less vulnerable, plus
> more immune to weeds scratching it too. What do you think?
>
> GeoB
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb FS1 fuse floor |
| From: | willuribe(at)aol.com |
Greetings George,
The floor installed on each side of the pilot is used on the FireStar II,
it is used for the rear passenger to put his/her feet.
I notice in pictures that many/most Kolbs have a floor from the nose cone
extending back past the pilot seat. It may just be fabric, not sure. Mine
has only a short sheet of aluminum which extends back a short ways and end
s
before the control stick. I 'spose this is nice and light, but it seems
vulnerable to every pen and flashlight I might ever drop. Do most folks ju
st
use fabric? I was thinking painted aluminum would be less vulnerable, plus
more immune to weeds scratching it too. What do you think?
GeoB
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| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
HINTS(cont.)
6. Perform a weight and balance check with you in the airplane. Buy / borrow
three cheap bathroom scales, weigh the airplane, calculate the center of gravity
and verify that the CG is within limits as specified by the manufacturer.
Take care to eliminate any sideways bind at the main wheel scales that could
distort readings. I hope that you received the builders manual with the airplane.
CG limits and W&B procedures are in the manual.
OR YOU CAN WING IT
If you dont have enough up elevator authority to flare for landing below 70 mph,
you are probably NOSE HEAVY
If you enter a non-recoverable stall, you are probably TAIL HEAVY
--------
Jerry King
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| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
HINTS(cont.)
7. Insure that your airplane has the mass balance rods for the ailerons installed.
Flexing of the long torque tube for the ailerons opens the possibility
of encountering aileron flutter. During a high speed dive, it is often impossible
to slow the airplane quickly enough before one or more ailerons separate
from the aircraft. The Firestar operates much better with ailerons attached.
Properly installed, and adjusted to balance the aileron, the mass balance rods
eliminate flutter concerns.
--------
Jerry King
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb FS1 fuse floor |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
GeoB wrote:
> I notice in pictures that many/most Kolbs have a floor from the nose cone
> extending back past the pilot seat. It may just be fabric, not sure. Mine
> has only a short sheet of aluminum which extends back a short ways and ends
> before the control stick. I 'spose this is nice and light, but it seems
> vulnerable to every pen and flashlight I might ever drop. Do most folks just
> use fabric? I was thinking painted aluminum would be less vulnerable, plus
> more immune to weeds scratching it too. What do you think?
>
> GeoB
If you use fabric, you can pick up a small piece of carpet that compliments the
paint scheme and cut out 2 triangles to fit in around the diagonal crossmember,
and that will protect your fabric from dropped sharp objects. Also it is easy
to take out and clean.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321032#321032
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
>Buy / borrow three cheap bathroom scales=2C weigh the airplane=2C calculat
e the center of gravity and verify that the CG is within limits as >specifi
ed by the manufacturer.
> Jerry King
Jery=2C
Important point about the W&B. I don't think you need 3 scales=2C tho.
If a guy can determine the
scale's thickness=2C and then come up with 2 "whatevers" of the same thickn
ess ( blocks of wood=2C
telephone books=2C kid's textbooks) a guy could get away with just one scal
e.
Example=3B my relatively accurate digital (bathroom) scale is 1 3/4" thi
ck=2C and so are a couple of parts
catalogs I've got. By jocking the scale from one wheel to the other=2C tra
ding catalogs as you go=2C
you could come up with a pretty darn good W&B. (plus=2C using only one sca
le helps reduce error
factors from using multiple scales.)
The primary concern is=2C of course=2C making sure the plane is always si
tting in the same position
per reading.
I still think you brought up an important point about the W&B.
Mike Welch
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
If you enter a non-recoverable stall, you are probably TAIL HEAVY>>
And dead.
Cheers
Pat
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
Hi Dennis,
everyone else seems to be putting their five eggs in so here is my tip.
Remember what your first flying instructor told you "Open the throttle
SLOWLY on takeoff"
If you do it too quickly, particularly with the tail still on the ground she
will stand on a wing tip and dash off the side of the runway.
Hope you remember all these jewwls of wisdom come the Spring.
Good luck
Pat
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| Subject: | HAC carbs for sale |
| From: | jvanlaak(at)aol.com |
I have two high altitude compensating carbs for a 582 on a Talon XP that I
never used. Great shape low time carbs. Long tubing for in cockpit adjus
tment. $350.
Jim Van Laak
jvanlaak(at)aol.com
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| From: | "dshepherd" <cen23954(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Relocating |
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Cracked spar on fire star. |
Is that a corrosion crack?
It being a long the seem does not look like fatigue crack.
---- frank goodnight wrote:
============
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Jon Lockhart <jonlock2(at)gmail.com>
ft.com; kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 6:02:16 PM
Subject: Cracked spar on fire star.
Please review the photos.=C2- Thanks, Frank Goodnight
--
kugelair.com
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| Subject: | Just when I thought it was winter |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
I keep telling myself that this is the last good day and I'll put the Mk III
up for the winter so I can get started on the work I want to do. Then
another day like today comes along that's just irresistible and well, what
the heck, it's only a little gas and two stroke oil. Almost an hour of Kolb
therapy going around the patch, even a trip down to Oxford for one landing
on the new asphalt. Okay, I'm ready for winter.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Hi Folks:
First flight today. Well, first flight since the first of May 2010, for my
MKIII and me. All went well. I haven't forgotten how to aviate, neither
has Miss P'fer. I got 1.2 hours today. Miss P'fer has 3,010.9 hours on her
airframe and 441.4 hours on her 912ULS. The airplane flew well, despite all
the barn dust, bird and bug crap, and dirt dauber nests. Got about a half
teaspoon of water out of the fuel tank before the first flight. Both carb
float bowls were dry with evidence that there had been a little moisture in
each of them. Engine fired right up and ran like a top.
While she was sitting for so long, she had two Titan exhaust springs break.
First time I have had exhaust springs break when the engine was not running.
Must say it was good to get back into the air again. I am looking forward
to making some long flights this year. The only one I got last year was a
flight down to Sun and Fun in Lakeland, Florida.
I had my doubts if I was going to be able to make the flight to Monument
Valley next year, but after today's flight, I think it is doable.
Reckon she will really fly good if I get a warm spell so I can wash her.
Maybe tomorrow.
john h
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
John , So very glad to hear you got back in the air ! Im jealous but it was very
moving to hear your "rehab"was successful . Hope you get the weather to fly
every time you want you have earned it . Your friend Chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
----- Original Message ----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 7:04:53 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: First Flight
Hi Folks:
First flight today. Well, first flight since the first of May 2010, for my
MKIII and me. All went well. I haven't forgotten how to aviate, neither
has Miss P'fer. I got 1.2 hours today. Miss P'fer has 3,010.9 hours on her
airframe and 441.4 hours on her 912ULS. The airplane flew well, despite all
the barn dust, bird and bug crap, and dirt dauber nests. Got about a half
teaspoon of water out of the fuel tank before the first flight. Both carb
float bowls were dry with evidence that there had been a little moisture in
each of them. Engine fired right up and ran like a top.
While she was sitting for so long, she had two Titan exhaust springs break.
First time I have had exhaust springs break when the engine was not running.
Must say it was good to get back into the air again. I am looking forward
to making some long flights this year. The only one I got last year was a
flight down to Sun and Fun in Lakeland, Florida.
I had my doubts if I was going to be able to make the flight to Monument
Valley next year, but after today's flight, I think it is doable.
Reckon she will really fly good if I get a warm spell so I can wash her.
Maybe tomorrow.
john h
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
----- John , So very glad to hear you got back in the air ! Chris Davis
Thanks, Chris/Gang:
I'm still recovering, but it is definitely getting better each day.
Was happy the 912ULS performed so well after nearly 7 months down time. It
was just as though she had been flown regularly.
I was also surprised I had no more moisture in the fuel tank, which was at
about 5 gal, or 20% capacity. The fuel was a mixture of 87 octane mogas
w/ethanol and 100LL, plus Marvel Mystery Oil. I have no idea what the ratio
of the two fuels was, but probably more 87 than 100.
A good bath and the bird will be as good as new.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
welcome back to the skys John after a long recovery period
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 7:04 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: First Flight
Hi Folks:
First flight today. Well, first flight since the first of May 2010, for
my
KIII and me. All went well. I haven't forgotten how to aviate, neither
as Miss P'fer. I got 1.2 hours today. Miss P'fer has 3,010.9 hours on he
r
irframe and 441.4 hours on her 912ULS. The airplane flew well, despite al
l
he barn dust, bird and bug crap, and dirt dauber nests. Got about a half
easpoon of water out of the fuel tank before the first flight. Both carb
loat bowls were dry with evidence that there had been a little moisture in
ach of them. Engine fired right up and ran like a top.
While she was sitting for so long, she had two Titan exhaust springs break
.
irst time I have had exhaust springs break when the engine was not running
.
Must say it was good to get back into the air again. I am looking forward
o making some long flights this year. The only one I got last year was a
light down to Sun and Fun in Lakeland, Florida.
I had my doubts if I was going to be able to make the flight to Monument
alley next year, but after today's flight, I think it is doable.
Reckon she will really fly good if I get a warm spell so I can wash her.
aybe tomorrow.
john h
itus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Affordable Safety ! |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Insurance question?
As a Private Pilot can I insure my Experimental aircraft ELSA Kolb Firestar
II for hull damage, but more importantly, for liability damage to people and
all things on the ground. I have yet to check on this very important point, if
so how much can I expect to pay?
Thanks in advance
Dennis
--------
Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. George Bernard
Shaw
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Affordable Safety ! |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 10:11 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Affordable Safety !
Insurance question?
As a Private Pilot can I insure my Experimental aircraft ELSA Kolb
Firestar II for hull damage, but more importantly, for liability damage to
people and all things on the ground. I have yet to check on this very
important point, if so how much can I expect to pay?
Thanks in advance
Dennis
--------
?~?~Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.?T?T
George Bernard Shaw
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Affordable Safety ! |
Insurance question?
Dennis
Check out EAA endorsed insurance from Falcon. I have used them for some
time now.
Premiums will be based on total flight hours, time in make and model, and
past pilot history.
I pay 1,200.00 a year for 30,000.00 hull coverage and liability
(1,000,000.00), based on 5,000+ hours in Kolbs, plus 3,000+ hours in make
and model.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Affordable Safety ! |
Hi Gang:
Sorry about this one. Had a round cook off and computer fired before I was
ready.
BTW, the subject line should be "insurance".
Don't think insurance buys an aviator "affordable safety".
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Affordable Safety !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 10:11 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Affordable Safety !
Insurance question?
As a Private Pilot can I insure my Experimental aircraft ELSA Kolb
Firestar II for hull damage, but more importantly, for liability damage to
people and all things on the ground. I have yet to check on this very
important point, if so how much can I expect to pay?
Thanks in advance
Dennis
--------
?~?~Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance.?T?T
George Bernard Shaw
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb Aircraft Insurance |
Insurance question?
Dennis
Here is the url for EAA insurance:
http://www.eaa.org/insurance/
Forgot to paste it in previous. ;-(
Getting old ain't easy.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | any kolbers west coast canada |
| From: | "sean" <budder(at)shaw.ca> |
looking for some kolb hours, any kolbers west coast Canada or PNW in general? I
live Vancouver Island !
Cheers,
Sean :D
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
John,
A couple things.First,how long are the springs on the Titan exhaust.If they
are close to the Rotax 1-5/8 I think,you can get stainless springs from JB
M that are forever.Second,get Miss P'fer washed because Rick wants to have
a get together in FLA.again this year and we will give you fair warning thi
s time .Good to see you back in the air.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A 600hrs Hopefully in Lakeland by Dec.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 7:10 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: First Flight
Hi Folks:
First flight today. Well, first flight since the first of May 2010, for my
MKIII and me. All went well. I haven't forgotten how to aviate, neither
has Miss P'fer. I got 1.2 hours today. Miss P'fer has 3,010.9 hours on he
r
airframe and 441.4 hours on her 912ULS. The airplane flew well, despite al
l
the barn dust, bird and bug crap, and dirt dauber nests. Got about a half
teaspoon of water out of the fuel tank before the first flight. Both carb
float bowls were dry with evidence that there had been a little moisture in
each of them. Engine fired right up and ran like a top.
While she was sitting for so long, she had two Titan exhaust springs break.
First time I have had exhaust springs break when the engine was not running
.
Must say it was good to get back into the air again. I am looking forward
to making some long flights this year. The only one I got last year was a
flight down to Sun and Fun in Lakeland, Florida.
I had my doubts if I was going to be able to make the flight to Monument
Valley next year, but after today's flight, I think it is doable.
Reckon she will really fly good if I get a warm spell so I can wash her.
Maybe tomorrow.
john h
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
A couple things.First,how long are the springs on the Titan exhaust.If they
are close to the Rotax 1-5/8 I think,you can get stainless springs from JBM
that are forever.Second,get Miss P'fer washed because Rick wants to have a
get together in FLA.again this year and we will give you fair warning this
time .Good to see you back in the air.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A 600hrs Hopefully in Lakeland by Dec.
G.Aman/Gang:
They seem to be a little longer than the Rotax springs. I put a couple
Rotax springs on it yesterday to fly. They were stretched pretty tight.
I'll have to measure the gap between the hooks to decide on the size spring
I need.
Do you have a url for "JBM"? I can not find them with a Google search.
Set a date and get some good weather. I'll be ready to go. Anywhere in
Florida is less than a one day flight, normally...
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | GARY JINDRA <gajindra(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
jbmindustries(at)att.net
Gary Jindra
--- On Sun, 11/28/10, John Hauck wrote:
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 1:08 PM
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G.Aman/Gang:
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Do you have a url for "JBM"?- I can not find them with a Google search.
-
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
this will work mo betta:
http://jbmindustries.com/
BB
On 28, Nov 2010, at 2:41 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote:
>
> jbmindustries(at)att.net
>
>
> Gary Jindra
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/28/10, John Hauck wrote:
>
> From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 1:08 PM
>
>
>
> G.Aman/Gang:
>
>
> Do you have a url for "JBM"? I can not find them with a Google search.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
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| From: | GARY JINDRA <gajindra(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
sorry about that,that was his email.the .com is correct
Gary Jindra
--- On Sun, 11/28/10, robert bean wrote:
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 3:52 PM
this will work mo betta:
http://jbmindustries.com/
BB
On 28, Nov 2010, at 2:41 PM, GARY JINDRA wrote:
jbmindustries(at)att.net
Gary Jindra
--- On Sun, 11/28/10, John Hauck wrote:
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight
Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 1:08 PM
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G.Aman/Gang:
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Do you have a url for "JBM"?- I can not find them with a Google search.
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john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
John,
His web site,JBM industries.com.He makes rubber products,carb sockets etc t
hat are less expensive and far outlast anything on the market.I fly with hi
m all summer
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 28, 2010 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First Flight
A couple things.First,how long are the springs on the Titan exhaust.If the
y are close to the Rotax 1-5/8 I think,you can get stainless springs from J
BM that are forever.Second,get Miss P'fer washed because Rick wants to have
a get together in FLA.again this year and we will give you fair warning th
is time .Good to see you back in the air.
G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200A 600hrs Hopefully in Lakeland by Dec.
G.Aman/Gang:
They seem to be a little longer than the Rotax springs. I put a couple Rot
ax springs on it yesterday to fly. They were stretched pretty tight. I'll
have to measure the gap between the hooks to decide on the size spring I n
eed.
Do you have a url for "JBM"? I can not find them with a Google search.
Set a date and get some good weather. I'll be ready to go. Anywhere in Fl
orida is less than a one day flight, normally...
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
His web site,JBM industries.com.He makes rubber products,carb sockets etc
that are less expensive and far outlast anything on the market.I fly with
him all summer
Thanks, Gary/Gang:
I ordered 6 each from him tonight. I'll stick the two extras in the
airplane just in case they are not quite as good as you guys say they are.
;-)
Thanks for the info.
Got another .7 late this afternoon. Recalibrated my airspeed indicator.
Feels better to be indicating 85 mph cruise at 5,000 than 90 mph. Now is
indicating 38 mph stall clean and 30 mph stall at 30 mph. Shooting my
approaches at 50 mph is comfortable.
For Tom Kuffle: I was wrong when I said my 912ULS indicates 2,500 to 3,000
rpm with the throttle closed gliding. It is more like 2,000 rpm. It idles
1,600 rpm on the ground static.
Pulling the nose up to 35 mph from 5,000 rpm cruise, not touching the
throttle, she was climbing 1,800 fpm at 1,500 msl with about 1/2 tank (12.5
gal) fuel. That was clean of course.
Thought the engine oil temp gauge had gone belly up on me while flying. On
the ground I discovered I had knocked the clip loose from the oil temp
sender. The stiffness of the wire was holding it up againt the contact, but
it was not clipped on. Was ready to buy a new sender or gauge.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Got another .7 late this afternoon. Recalibrated my airspeed indicator.
Feels better to be indicating 85 mph cruise at 5,000 than 90 mph. Now is
indicating 38 mph stall clean and 30 mph stall at 30 mph. Shooting my
approaches at 50 mph is comfortable.
Hi Gang:
I need to proof read my msgs before I hit the send button, instead of
proofing them when they come up on the Kolb List.
"Feels better to be indicating actual airspeed rather than 5 mph plus.
Today it was cruising 85 mph at 5,000 rpm instead of 90 mph at 5,000 like it
was yesterday. Now it is indicating 38 mph clean stall and 30 mph stall
with full flaps. Shooting approaches at 50 mph indicated is comfortable and
more familiar to me."
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | rotax 582 and firestar 2 question |
| From: | "sean" <budder(at)shaw.ca> |
Frst off thx for a very informative site here. I recently obtained my advanced
ultralight pilot permit here in Canada which is very similar to your lightsport
in the united states.
Ideally for me a Kolb Mark 3 xtra with a mono float and 912s would do the trick
! Can someone lend me $15000 - $20000 ?
In the event that the xtra cash doesnt materialize plan B is a firestar 2 with
a Full Lotus monofloat !
My question is why I dont see very many firestars with 582's and what the pro's
here think the difference will be between the 2 engines with the mono float application
?
Cheers,
Sean
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: rotax 582 and firestar 2 question |
At 07:44 PM 11/28/2010, sean wrote:
>My question is why I dont see very many firestars with 582's and what the
>pro's here think the difference will be between the 2 engines with the
>mono float application ?
My friend has a FSII with a 503 and it's delightful, great performance (on
wheels). He put Full Lotus amphib floats (two floats, not the monofloat)
on it and said it flies like a cinder block. I only flew it with wheels,
and it makes me (as a Cuyuna powered UltraStar owner) jealous. Without
float, it doesn't _need_ a 582.
-Dana
--
Chaste: why virgins run.
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rotax 582 and firestar 2 question |
The main problem with a 582 is that it burns about 5.5 gallons of gas an
hour while only producing 65 hp. The extra weight is a problem as well.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 582 and firestar 2 question |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
The reason you don't see many FSII's with 582's is because the vertical fuselage
tubes at the back end of the cage were not designed to take the extra torque
the 582 makes. When I was talking to the guys at Kolb several years ago prior
to putting together our 582 powered FSII, they told me that if I hit a sharp
thermal or turbulence in a full throttle climb, they couldn't guarantee that the
tubes at the rear of the cage (supporting the motor mounts and rear spar carrythrough)
would maintain integrity, because they were of a lesser wall thickness
than the MKIII tubes. Which would probably result in the classic slow cars
and sad music ceremony.
So that is why the motor mounts on N582EF have extra braces on them independent
of the normal upper rear cage structure. And all is good.
And for Larry: compare the weight between the 503 and the 582. Quite an eye opener.
According to the CPS "Rotax Engine Comparisons" on page 27 of my 2005 catalog,
the 503 with C box, dual carbs and electric start is 113.9 pounds. The 582
with the same stuff plus radiator is 110.6. After you add coolant, they will
not be different enough to matter.
The bonus comes at cruise, N582EF in it's previous incarnation cruised at 60 mph
at 3 GPH at 4800 rpm. This time around it's a bit slicker. And for those who
think Rotax 2-strokes must be run at 5800 rpm, um... can't do it - the airspeed
is pushing redline by that point. So you can only use the extra power in
climb, but at cruise, a loafing engine becomes a very good (and quiet) thing.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
And for a bonus - was planning to wait a few days until the final touches were
done, but today we had it all together getting ready for the inspector and a couple
more details, so took a few pictures and here she is. Before and after pictures.
Haven't even pulled the plastic sheet off the Lexan yet...
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| Subject: | Re: Affordable Safety ! |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
"Don't think insurance buys an aviator "affordable safety"."
I could not agree more, it was was a poor choice of words. Thanks for the link
of EAA.
Dennis
--------
Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. George Bernard
Shaw
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| Subject: | Re: Affordable Safety ! |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Dennis,
I have a Firestar II, and it's insured for hull & liability thru EAA/Falcon. For
insurance purposes I have the plane valued at $28K, and I have $500K liability
coverage. I don't get the deal John does, but I don't have his experience either.
Mine costs $1350/yr, I that was based on 350 hrs in the plane & 410 hrs
total, and hangared inside. It's pretty easy to get if you are ready to write
the check.
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| Subject: | Firestar for sale |
| From: | "Chris_A" <50calibercruiser(at)cox.net> |
Hi guys,
It is with an extremely heavy heart that I must sell my Firestar.
I have put 2.5 hours on it since the tailboom replacement and it flies like a dream.
If anyone is interested please call me at 405-426-2014 or email me off list
at camp405(at)gmail.com and I will give you all the details.
Thanks Chris
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Kolb Construction Videos |
Hi Folks:
Travis asked me to forward the following Kolb Aircraft videos with the Kolb
List.
He also told me the company is doing well. They are building and selling
Kolbs.
Kolb Aircraft is oriented to building Kolb kits the way Homer Kolb did it,
integrating improvements of the kit without changing the type kit and
purpose of Homer's designs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORocgOyFuRk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfa8GN208s4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4pS8vEERKg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh0RNJjLPRE&feature=related
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "The Kuffels" <kuffel(at)cyberport.net> |
John Hauck said:
<< 912ULS indicates 2,500 to 3,000 rpm with the throttle closed gliding. It
is more like 2,000 rpm. It idles
1,600 rpm on the ground static. >>
My Zenith CH701 friend has a 912S. It has the characteristic on the ground
of stopping when the throttle is pulled to full idle. As his friendly Flight
Advisor I find this worrisome if not downright unsafe. I've tried to get him
to increase his idle stop screws but he views it as a deliberate design
"feature" to replace the absent mixture idle cutoff. Any comments or
experience to assuage my fears or convince him of the error of his ways?
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
My Zenith CH701 friend has a 912S. It has the characteristic on the ground
of stopping when the throttle is pulled to full idle. As his friendly Flight
Advisor I find this worrisome if not downright unsafe. I've tried to get him
to increase his idle stop screws but he views it as a deliberate design
"feature" to replace the absent mixture idle cutoff. Any comments or
experience to assuage my fears or convince him of the error of his ways?
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Tom K/Gang:
The 912 operators manual indicates the idle speed to be 1,400 rpm minimum.
No mention of "deliberate design feature to replace the absent mixture idle
cutoff."
I believe if Rotax wanted a mixture idle cutoff, they would have equipped
the 912 with a mixture control.
Never lost a 912 with the throttle closed during an approach, and don't want
to. For that matter, never had a 912 quit running in flight, except when I
screwed up and tried to fly with contaminated fuel. I didn't know the fuel
was contaminated because I did not drain fuel after I obtained it from an
unreliable source, even though I thought, at the time, both places were
reliable aviation fuel suppliers.
I have found with my one 912UL and two 912ULS's, they all like to idle
around 1,500 to 1,600 rpm.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Pneumatic tail wheel for FS-2 |
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Jimmy,
Thanks for sharing the pictures!
Mahesh
FS-2 -Ashland,OR
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
John,
Good to see you back in the air. Roger did mention that you were healing,
but the best healing is in the air :-)) :P
Wish you wonderful flights ahead!
Mahesh
FS-2, Ashland,OR
"The joy of flight....nothing comes closer....It's a romance for life!"
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
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| Subject: | HKS Engine on a KF |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I was not aware this HKS700e engine was being used on a Kolb Firestar.
"Here are some photos and a video of my Kolb Firestar with HKS engine. The aircraft
is being flown from my 600 foot pasture air strip at the 4,000 foot level
on the west slope of Mauna Kea on the "Big Island" of Hawaii. The engine is running
well.
Regards,
Dave Bigelow"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbrTNuS9yVY
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Shaw
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Construction Videos/Testing Your New MKIII |
My plane is "near" finished.
Mike Welch
Mike W/Gang:
Was curious how your power plant and reduction drive development are
progressing. Have you made any test runs with your new engine?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | McCarthy Tom <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slingshot thrust line/angle/HKS |
I completed the installation of the new 72" 3 blade Warp drive prop last
week and was able to get about 2.5 hours of flying in over the weekend.
Daryl recommended 13 or 14 degree initial pitch, I set it for 13, which
had the motor at red line(6200 two minute) on full climb. The overall
impression I got was very positive, climb was around 900-1000fpm+ and
the max continuos speed was around 80, but this was on a non standard
day, about 40 degrees F. I believe resetting the prop to 14 degrees
will give me a better cruise and only take away a little climb. A few
surprises I encountered were how much smoother the longer prop was and
even felt quieter overall. Also the higher thrust line required by
turning the gear box around had no ill affects on the stick pressure at
higher RPM's.
Just a couple more notes for the record. The ridiculous claims of fuel
burn in the 2.25-2.5GPH are exactly what I am getting. I'm not sure
I'll be able to fly off a tank (10 gal. usable) in one sitting, but look
forward to trying.
I forgot to mention this earlier, but the motor came with a MGL engine
monitor included, and was found to be very inaccurate for RPM's. I
installed a tiny tach and verified it with a hand held digital tach to
find that the MGL reads 500RPM,s too high, and changing the program one
step causes it to read 300 rpm's low, so moral of the story might be to
verify your tach.
My next order of business is to get heat to the cockpit for winter
flying, which should not be too hard with the oil cooler mounted above
the rear seat area. For those of you that have not landed on frozen
lakes, it can be quite fun.
Another 1st for me was winterizing and folding up the Firestar for
storage. My hanger is too small to leave all three together. If you
know anyone interested in a nice Firestar & trailer, feel free to email
me. I'll probably advertise it in the spring.
My work has finally slowed to a crawl, just in time for the winter. I
am hoping to do some visiting down in Texas and SW Florida in the
upcoming months, trying to find retirement properties and visit family,
but mostly try to avoid cold and snow.
Tom McCarthy
N514 TM Zenith 601HD
N414 TM Kolb Firestar
N863 GB Kolb Slingshot
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Construction Videos/Testing Your New MKIII |
Lately, I've been building the three electronic circuits that go into the
plane;
the IvoProp current limiter circuit, the trim tab LED indicator circuit, and
the
Dynon AOA alarm detector LED circuit.
I hear a soldering iron calling me...gotta run.
Mike Welch
Sounds like you are building a very busy airplane.
Hope you get it finished soon. I am anxious to hear and see how it flies.
john h
mkiii
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb Construction Videos/Testing Your New MKIII |
John=2C
Busy?? Yeah=2C I guess you could say that.
Some guys build planes as stripped as they can. They only want
the bare essentials=2C and not an ounce more=2C and this is ok.
Some guys build planes with lots of bells and whistles=2C the more the me
rrier.
They opt for more doo-dads=2C lights=2C switches and what-nots. I'm more i
n this
catagory. "To each his own"=2C as the saying goes.
But what is most important is=3B we get to build what WE want. The
(remaining) freedoms we have in this country allows us all to build our
own plane=2C whether they be stripped as a kite=2C or crammed full of crap.
In "experimental" airplanes=2C we can truly say "I did it MY way!!"
Back to work=2C
Mike
From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Construction Videos/Testing Your New MKIII
Date: Tue=2C 30 Nov 2010 10:02:17 -0600
Lately=2C I've been building the three electronic circuits that go into
the plane=3B
the IvoProp current limiter circuit=2C the trim tab LED indicator circuit
=2C and the
Dynon AOA alarm detector LED circuit.
I hear a soldering iron calling me...gotta run.
Mike Welch
Sounds like you are building a very busy airplane.
Hope you get it finished soon. I am anxious to hear and see how it flies.
john h
mkiii
Titus=2C Alabama
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HKS Engine on a KF |
=C2- Dave- I've seen your plane before, and it still shows quite a bit of
dihedral.=C2- Did you make it that way?=C2- How about cross winds?
=C2-
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-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Bill Sullivan
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-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-FS 447
--- On Tue, 11/30/10, Dennis Thate wrote:
From: Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: HKS Engine on a KF
Date: Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 12:42 AM
I was not aware this=C2- HKS700e engine was being used on a Kolb Firestar
.
"Here are some photos and a video of my Kolb Firestar with HKS engine. The
aircraft is being flown from my 600 foot pasture air strip at the 4,000 foo
t level on the west slope of Mauna Kea on the "Big Island" of Hawaii. The e
ngine is running well.
Regards,
Dave Bigelow"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbrTNuS9yVY
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Construction Videos/Testing Your New MKIII |
They opt for more doo-dads, lights, switches and what-nots. I'm more in
this
catagory. "To each his own", as the saying goes.
Mike
Mike/Gang:
Didn't intend to get you stirred up.
Was only interested in how the engine/redrive project was progressing.
I fully understand we have a lot of freedom in how we build our airplanes in
the US.
I guess I am from the other side of the spectrum. I try not to put anything
into my airplane that is not necessary for safe and comfortable flight. The
more stuff I cram in there, the more stuff can go wrong. As it is, when
something fails/goes wrong, I am uncomfortable until I get it sorted out and
working correctly again. I'd fly without a radio if it weren't for talking
to my friends when I fly with them, and the safety of listening to other
traffic and announcing my intentions when I land at "real" airports.
Without the radio I could get by with a good set of noise attentuators
instead of expensive ANR headsets. Loss of hearing is one of my major
problems when it comes to communicating in my airplane. That is not going
to be a problem though. I can do a lot of flying in the US without a radio.
The only time I need a radio is to land at controlled airports in the US.
However, if I ever get back to Canada I am going to have to have a radio to
land at any of their uncontrolled airports where commercial/passenger
carrying aircraft land.
In that case, I could carry a handheld and headset until I got into Alaska.
We are under a tornado warning here in Elmore County, Alabama. Guess I
better keep an eye open and stay close to home today.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HKS Engine on a KF |
Dave- I've seen your plane before, and it still shows quite a bit of
dihedral. Did you make it that way? How about cross winds?
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
Bill S/Gang:
Dave died in the crash several years ago in Hawaii, attempting to set a
world altitude record in a motor glider.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Slingshot thrust line/angle/HKS |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
> The overall impression I got was very positive, climb was around 900-1000fpm+
and the max continuos speed was around 80, but this was on a non standard day,
about 40 degrees F.
Tom,
That sounds like pretty good performance. I only get a climb rate of about 6-700
fpm on the Firestar, but that's enough for me to safely fly around here in the
flatlands.
Do you have the 3.47 - 1 gearbox or the 2.58?
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HKS Engine on a KF |
- I forgot about that, John.- Sorry- probably the medication.- What h
appened to that plane?- Still wondering about the dihedral.- That video
gives me a little more confidence in my plan for a field up in Vermont.-
I have around 700 feet by around 200 feet to play with, with a clean drop-
off at both ends.- Lined up with the prevailing wind, too.- I have to h
ave it cleared, filled, and graded.- The timber might pay for it.
-
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------------------ Bill Sullivan
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--- On Tue, 11/30/10, John Hauck wrote:
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HKS Engine on a KF
Date: Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 12:01 PM
- Dave- I've seen your plane before, and it still shows quite a bit of
dihedral.- Did you make it that way?- How about cross winds?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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- - - Windsor Locks, Ct.
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- - - FS 447
Bill S/Gang:
Dave died in the crash several years ago in Hawaii, attempting to set a
world altitude record in a motor glider.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: HKS Engine on a KF |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I would be curious to know what became of this plane and HKS engine, Anyone know
?
BTW.. This is a great website with great feedback, for a Kolb rookie like myself
who has some catching up to do. Of all the times I ran in to Homer at Oshkosh
I wished I had taken the time to take a snapshot.
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Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. George Bernard
Shaw
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
I realize that each Kolb built it the builder's experiment and you have the
right to do as you wish, but you might want to consider this. The two things
missing in the construction videos are: 1) No sign of any sort of corrosion
protection on all that bare aluminum, and 2) no drain grommets or any way
for water to get out of the covering.
I know there will be comments from those who've never seen corrosion, or who
don't believe in it, but the pictures show what condensation inside the wing
of a 15 year old Firestar did to the aluminum. As Poor Richard said, "an
ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
If you think alodining new aluminum and painting with epoxy before covering
is a PITA, add hours and hours of drilling out rivets, sanding and
inspecting with a magnifying glass to the point of eyestrain, THEN acid
etching, alodining, painting and reassembling for which you get more pains
than just those in the posterior.
I didn't invent this, it's all right there in the Poly Fiber manual, so do
as you think best.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Re: Construction |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
Rick, was this Firestar stored in a trailer? I've heard that corrosion like this
can happen when the aircraft is stored in a trailer. I have a 24 year old Firestar
and I'm sure there isn't any corrosion on it and I store it in a garage.
Ralph B
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Construction |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Ralph, I've only owned it for four years so I can't say. The fellow I bought
it from had it stored in a workshop when I picked it up.
Rick
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> Rick, was this Firestar stored in a trailer? I've heard that corrosion like
> this can happen when the aircraft is stored in a trailer. I have a 24 year
> old Firestar and I'm sure there isn't any corrosion on it and I store it in
> a garage.
>
> Ralph B
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 1000 hours
> 23 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 2 years flying it
> 120 hrs
>
>
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--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Construction |
The climate you have it in has a lot to do with it. I doubt owners in
northern VT have a lot of corrosion problems.
Dry in the summer and zero corrosion in the bitter cold due to retarded
chemical activity.
Personally I'm happy my wings have no access holes. there are no moving
parts to inspect and no problems with
bees, mice, chipmunks and hickory nuts within.
The fuselage is in the basement for now but I am planning on a varmint
free steel barn within the next two years.
BB
On 30, Nov 2010, at 3:54 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Ralph, I've only owned it for four years so I can't say. The fellow I
bought it from had it stored in a workshop when I picked it up.
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> Rick, was this Firestar stored in a trailer? I've heard that corrosion
like this can happen when the aircraft is stored in a trailer. I have a
24 year old Firestar and I'm sure there isn't any corrosion on it and I
store it in a garage.
>
> Ralph B
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 1000 hours
> 23 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 2 years flying it
> 120 hrs
>
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 582 and firestar 2 question |
| From: | "sean" <budder(at)shaw.ca> |
Thanks all for the " heads up" and Richard ... NICE JOB ... VERY NICE JOB ... U-tube
U-tube U-tube !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I found this excellent video on Winter Storage of Rotax Aircraft engines.
http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/26641749
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Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. George Bernard
Shaw
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HKS Engine on a KF |
I forgot about that, John. Sorry- probably the medication. What
happened to that plane? Still wondering about the dihedral. That video
gives me a little more confidence in my plan for a field up in Vermont. I
have around 700 feet by around 200 feet to play with, with a clean drop-off
at both ends. Lined up with the prevailing wind, too. I have to have it
cleared, filled, and graded. The timber might pay for it.
Bill Sullivan
Bill S/Gang:
I started flying off 600 feet in my Ultrastar 26 years ago.
Stretched the field to 750 feet, flying the Firestar, with no brakes,
and the MKIII with passenger, off it. Fairly good approach and departure.
Elevation 410 MSL.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Construction Videos/Testing Your New MKIII |
BTW, I do agree with you re: stuff to break. The stuff I'm adding isn't
stuff that
causes the plane to become a glider. They're mainly for my enjoyment, just
fancy lights
and stuff like that.
Cheers,
Mike
Mike W/Gang:
To me, if an item is installed on the airplane and decides not to work, it
is an item of concern and will bug me until I get it operational again. It
doesn't have to be a flight essential item. An item that is non flight
essential, if inop, is still a source of concern (worry) on my airplane,
e.g., landing light, position light, strobe light, etc.
The tornados passed us by but left us with a lot of rain.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
For trip planning purposes I'm curious about what kind of fuel consumption I can
expect to get with my 503 DCDI Rotax on my 2006 Kolb Firestar II. I typically
will be at gross weight and at 2000 ' msl.
Ball Park Figures
Thanks
Dennis
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Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. George Bernard
Shaw
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| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
Dennis, I burn between 3 and 3 1/2 gal per hour. My cruise RPM is
5600 to 5800. Lanny FSII 503 DCDI
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| Subject: | Re: Construction |
| From: | "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)hughes.net> |
I absolutely agree with you on this. Every piece of aluminum in my plane has been
corrosion proofed with the epoxy paint recommended in the poly fiber manual.
Its easy to think everything is alright when you can't see it.
Rick Lewis
--------
Rick Lewis
(VW Watercooled Engine)
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Construction |
6061-T6 does not need corrosion protection in most applications..It
has its own oxidized layer that protects over time.. I would only be
concerned if I were flying near salt water...
I rebuilt an Ultrastar that had steel rivets and found everything
to be in good order...20 some odd years later...it had been on floats
at one time.. Herb
At 07:41 AM 12/1/2010, you wrote:
>
>I absolutely agree with you on this. Every piece of aluminum in my
>plane has been corrosion proofed with the epoxy paint recommended in
>the poly fiber manual. Its easy to think everything is alright when
>you can't see it.
>
>Rick Lewis
>
>--------
>Rick Lewis
>
>(VW Watercooled Engine)
>
>
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| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
I understand that you can`t see the corrosion (if any) on the wing
spars, without inspection plates. However, I would think if you had
the same amount of corrosion, shown on the gusset in the picture, you
could see it though the fabric. I know my fabric is adhered pretty
tight to most of my gussets. I would also like to know if the
aircraft parts pictured, were outside,exposed to weather most of
their lives or near a salt water environment. Anyone have any
thoughts about that. Lanny N598LF
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| Subject: | Re: Construction |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Herb, No offense, but that's an old wives tale. 6061-T6's silicon alloy base
makes it more resistant to corrosion than a copper based alloy like 2024-T3,
but it doesn't give any magical powers. All aluminum gets an oxide layer the
second it's exposed to oxygen and it does slow corrosion after that, but
inside a sealed wing with a condensation cycle every day, unless of course
you're Kolb is somewhere near Davis-Monthan AFB, provides all that's
necessary for corrosion to continue.
My Firestar came from mid Pennsylvania and now it's in Kansas. Not a lot of
salt water around here.
Rick
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Herb wrote:
>
> 6061-T6 does not need corrosion protection in most applications..It has its
> own oxidized layer that protects over time.. I would only be concerned if I
> were flying near salt water...
>
> I rebuilt an Ultrastar that had steel rivets and found everything to be in
> good order...20 some odd years later...it had been on floats at one time..
> Herb
>
>
> At 07:41 AM 12/1/2010, you wrote:
>
>>
>> I absolutely agree with you on this. Every piece of aluminum in my plane
>> has been corrosion proofed with the epoxy paint recommended in the poly
>> fiber manual. Its easy to think everything is alright when you can't see
>> it.
>>
>> Rick Lewis
>>
>> --------
>> Rick Lewis
>>
>> (VW Watercooled Engine)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321906#321906
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Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Lanny, The aircraft came from the middle region of Pennsylvania and has been
in Kansas the last four years. The pictures were what I found when I took
off the covering after I found that it had been done wrong, i.e. no
PolySpray for UV protection and the cloth failed the 50 lb. test. No, even
with no PolySpray silver coat, and no PolyBrush evident except where the
tapes were applied, the White PolyTone hid even the rusted rivet heads. If I
could have seen it through the cloth I would not have bought the aircraft.
Rick
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Lanny Fetterman wrote:
>
> I understand that you can`t see the corrosion (if any) on the wing spars,
> without inspection plates. However, I would think if you had the same amount
> of corrosion, shown on the gusset in the picture, you could see it though
> the fabric. I know my fabric is adhered pretty tight to most of my gussets.
> I would also like to know if the aircraft parts pictured, were
> outside,exposed to weather most of their lives or near a salt water
> environment. Anyone have any thoughts about that. Lanny N598LF
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
In the range of 15-18 mpg with no winds for a 2-stroke Firestar depending upon
how hard you push it.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
middle region of Pennsylvania
Rick, Jeesh, that`s where I live! Say it ain`t so! :-( Lanny N598LF
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| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
It may have been stored outside under a tarp. The tarp can hold moisture in working
on the metal 24/7.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
I use cruise RPM of 6000 and always use 4 gal per hour for my fuel
consumption....have not run out of fuel yet....in rough air I slow it down, makes
the ride more enjoyable and less stress on the plane.....Jim Swan
Note: have put the plane away for the winter, was going to fly it on good
days but had change of plans, looks like I may have them put me in a
replacement knee this winter..
Do not archive
FIRESTAR ll 503 Michigan jswan
GPS FOR MY RUNWAY N 42 deg 28.581 W084deg 44.825
ph. 517-663-8488
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Pretty much my point, Ralph. What's the difference to the aluminum if it's a
tarp or the polyester covering?
Rick
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> It may have been stored outside under a tarp. The tarp can hold moisture in
> working on the metal 24/7.
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 1000 hours
> 23 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 2 years flying it
> 120 hrs
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
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Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Construction |
At 10:22 AM 12/1/2010, Richard Girard wrote:
>Herb, No offense, but that's an old wives tale. 6061-T6's silicon alloy
>base makes it more resistant to corrosion than a copper based alloy like
>2024-T3, but it doesn't give any magical powers. All aluminum gets an
>oxide layer the second it's exposed to oxygen and it does slow corrosion
>after that, but inside a sealed wing with a condensation cycle every day,
>unless of course you're Kolb is somewhere near Davis-Monthan AFB, provides
>all that's necessary for corrosion to continue.
>My Firestar came from mid Pennsylvania and now it's in Kansas. Not a lot
>of salt water around here.
Still, that seemed like _really_ bad corrosion! I have what's left of a
project that started out as an ultralight in 1980, then a trailer some
years later, that's sat outside my house for 23 years, laying on the
ground, getting rained on. All 6061 tubing and AN bolts; it's still
nowhere near as bad as that.
-Dana
--
Beam me up, Scotty, it ate my phaser.
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Construction |
My other point was that I have rebuilt an Ultrastar and a
MkIII ...91 MkIII and an older Us. No Corrosion...Herb
At 09:22 AM 12/1/2010, you wrote:
>Herb, No offense, but that's an old wives tale. 6061-T6's silicon
>alloy base makes it more resistant to corrosion than a copper based
>alloy like 2024-T3, but it doesn't give any magical powers. All
>aluminum gets an oxide layer the second it's exposed to oxygen and
>it does slow corrosion after that, but inside a sealed wing with a
>condensation cycle every day, unless of course you're Kolb is
>somewhere near Davis-Monthan AFB, provides all that's necessary for
>corrosion to continue.
>My Firestar came from mid Pennsylvania and now it's in Kansas. Not a
>lot of salt water around here.
>
>Rick
>
>On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Herb
><herbgh(at)nctc.com> wrote:
><herbgh(at)nctc.com>
>
>6061-T6 does not need corrosion protection in most applications..It
>has its own oxidized layer that protects over time.. I would only
>be concerned if I were flying near salt water...
>
> I rebuilt an Ultrastar that had steel rivets and found everything
> to be in good order...20 some odd years later...it had been on
> floats at one time.. Herb
>
>
>At 07:41 AM 12/1/2010, you wrote:
><cktman(at)hughes.net>
>
>I absolutely agree with you on this. Every piece of aluminum in my
>plane has been corrosion proofed with the epoxy paint recommended in
>the poly fiber manual. Its easy to think everything is alright when
>you can't see it.
>
>Rick Lewis
>
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>
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>Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
>It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to
>be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> - G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Re: Construction |
| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Rick,
What is the procedure you used for corrosion proofing the inside of the aluminum
tubing used on a Kolb?
Gene
On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Rick Lewis wrote:
>
> I absolutely agree with you on this. Every piece of aluminum in my plane has
been corrosion proofed with the epoxy paint recommended in the poly fiber manual.
Its easy to think everything is alright when you can't see it.
>
> Rick Lewis
>
> --------
> Rick Lewis
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Kolb Firestar II for sale in Florida. |
| From: | "gotime242" <dylanshine(at)gmail.com> |
Hey all, just figured id post this up here.
Its located in west palm beach, details in the ad.
It has been a joy to fly.
Thanks!
http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_496085_KOLB+FIRESTAR+II.html
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Construction |
What is the procedure you used for corrosion proofing the inside of the
aluminum tubing used on a Kolb?
Gene
Gang:
Back in the old days, Kolb used carbon steel rivets with carbon steel
mandrels. They loved to rust.
I built my Ultrastar with carbon rivets and learned soon how quickly they
developed rust.
When I built my FS, I got Little Mike, Old Kolb Part Man, to get me SS pop
rivets to build the FS Kit. They worked much better, but they still used
carbon steel mandrels. I used to put a blob of Stitts 2 part expoxy on the
heads, but could do nothing with the tails of the rivets. However, this has
never been a problem. I am flying a MKIII I built in 1991, and has been
flying since 1992. That's a lot of hanger time, and a lot of time out under
the stars and rain/dew when I am flying overnight or longer cross country
flights.
I haven't had a problem with corrosion. My understanding was most aircraft
aluminum is "alclad". That is a thin coat of pure aluminum. If you get
aluminum that is not "alclad", it is more prone to corrode.
Based on the photos Rick G sent to the List of his Kolb project he picked up
in PA, I would have left it right where I found it. Never seen anything in
the junk pile out side that looked that bad, except when rodents peed on the
aluminum.
Rodent urine is highly corrosive, and they love Kolbs, especially the
tailboom. Occasionally I shoot some anticorrosion spray into my tailboom to
counteract rodent urine and water that gets in there from condensation, and
also from occasionally washing the airplane.
I am more concerned with the 4130 chromoly tubing. I have used tube seal in
all three Kolbs I have built.
I do have drain holes on wings, ailerons, horizontal stabilizers, elevators,
upper and lower vertical stabilizers, and rudder. Don't know if they do
more harm than good. They let out moisture, but allow dirt/mud daubers to
come inside. I had some corrosion in the trailing edge tube of the left
aileron when I rebuilt it in 2000. Undoubtedly, they have a lot of acid in
their nests and larvae.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
In the range of 15-18 mpg with no winds for a 2-stroke Firestar depending
upon how hard you push it.
--------
Thom Riddle
Thom R/Gang:
How does the above convert to GPH?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump Seat |
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= FS-2
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Dear Kolbers,
To enable me to have longers XCs with out a fuel stop , I am planning to add two
- Six gallon tanks to the rear of the FS-2 and move the existing two - five
gallon tanks tanks to the jump seat. This will give me a total fuel capacity
of 22 gallons. I have never carried a rear passenger and I weigh in at 195 pounds
and have a Rotax -503. I surely plan to do Weights and Balance for the additional
24 pounds of fuel weight in the rear and 72 pounds fuel weight on the
jump seat.
I wanted to check and run it through the Kolb list whom I consider the list comprising
of the Oracles to know if any of you have flown a passenger in the jump
seat in a FS-2 and what are the changes that I should anticipate in handling
of the airplane by adding the additional weight.
Thanks much for your inputs in advance!
Mahesh
FS-2, Ashland, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Depends upon how fast you are going. He was asking about TRIP PLANNING so I figured
I'd give a number that would give some idea of how FAR he might get on a
gallon. He did not ask about endurance which is what GPH tells us.
In any case, as you know, there are too many variables to give precise numbers
for any of this.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
I use cruise RPM of 6000 and always use 4 gal per hour for my fuel
consumption....have not run out of fuel yet....in rough air I slow it down,
makes the ride more enjoyable and less stress on the plane.....Jim Swan
Note: have put the plane away for the winter, was going to fly it on good
days but had change of plans, looks like I may have them put me in a
replacement knee this winter..
jswan
Jim S/Gang:
Always glad to see Jim posting to the Kolb List.
I am going to make a special effort to fly to Michigan this coming year. I
have not been up that way since I met John Williamson St Ignace Airport,
Michigan, in 2003, on our way to Oshkosh.
It was on that 2003 flight I flew over Rick N's old house and airstrip, but
alas, no one was home. That night I camped out on Snuffy Smith's airstrip a
couple hundred miles NE, I think. Alas again. Snuffy was not home either.
The next night I spent in Gaylord, MI, with my Army Instructor Pilot that
soloed me in the TH-55 helicopter at 10.0 hours, in 1968. This young CW2
was my hero.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
Depends upon how fast you are going. He was asking about TRIP PLANNING so I
figured I'd give a number that would give some idea of how FAR he might get
on a gallon. He did not ask about endurance which is what GPH tells us.
In any case, as you know, there are too many variables to give precise
numbers for any of this.
--------
Thom Riddle
Thom R/Gang:
MPG in an airplane means nothing. Works good on the ground though.
GPH and airspeed based on current winds gives me how far I can fly.
The air is seldom static.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Construction |
John
The only alclad aluminum that I know is 2024...It is considered to
be a primary aircraft metal . .the core metal contains a fair amount
of copper..The trick it to lay a pure sheet of aluminum over both
sides of the ingot before it goes down the hot roll mill.. this bonds
a very thin layer to the core metal...
Guys with unpainted GA planes who like to polish will eventually
wear the soft cladding of aluminum through... then it is time to paint...Herb
6061 is a high Maganese/Magnesium alloy...from memory..The outer
surface corrodes into aluminum oxide which is hard and offers
corrosion protection from the normal elements...meaning ,,,no mouse
pee or salt water to name a couple..
At 03:11 PM 12/1/2010, you wrote:
>
>
> What is the procedure you used for corrosion proofing the inside of the
>aluminum tubing used on a Kolb?
>
>Gene
>
>
>Gang:
>
>Back in the old days, Kolb used carbon steel rivets with carbon steel
>mandrels. They loved to rust.
>
>I built my Ultrastar with carbon rivets and learned soon how quickly they
>developed rust.
>
>When I built my FS, I got Little Mike, Old Kolb Part Man, to get me SS pop
>rivets to build the FS Kit. They worked much better, but they still used
>carbon steel mandrels. I used to put a blob of Stitts 2 part expoxy on the
>heads, but could do nothing with the tails of the rivets. However, this has
>never been a problem. I am flying a MKIII I built in 1991, and has been
>flying since 1992. That's a lot of hanger time, and a lot of time out under
>the stars and rain/dew when I am flying overnight or longer cross country
>flights.
>
>I haven't had a problem with corrosion. My understanding was most aircraft
>aluminum is "alclad". That is a thin coat of pure aluminum. If you get
>aluminum that is not "alclad", it is more prone to corrode.
>
>Based on the photos Rick G sent to the List of his Kolb project he picked up
>in PA, I would have left it right where I found it. Never seen anything in
>the junk pile out side that looked that bad, except when rodents peed on the
>aluminum.
>
>Rodent urine is highly corrosive, and they love Kolbs, especially the
>tailboom. Occasionally I shoot some anticorrosion spray into my tailboom to
>counteract rodent urine and water that gets in there from condensation, and
>also from occasionally washing the airplane.
>
>I am more concerned with the 4130 chromoly tubing. I have used tube seal in
>all three Kolbs I have built.
>
>I do have drain holes on wings, ailerons, horizontal stabilizers, elevators,
>upper and lower vertical stabilizers, and rudder. Don't know if they do
>more harm than good. They let out moisture, but allow dirt/mud daubers to
>come inside. I had some corrosion in the trailing edge tube of the left
>aileron when I rebuilt it in 2000. Undoubtedly, they have a lot of acid in
>their nests and larvae.
>
>john h
>mkIII
>Titus, Alabama
>
>
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| From: | McCarthy Tom <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slingshot thrust line/angle/HKS |
Tom,
That sounds like pretty good performance. I only get a climb rate of
about 6-700
fpm on the Firestar, but that's enough for me to safely fly around here
in the
flatlands.
Do you have the 3.47 - 1 gearbox or the 2.58?
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
Jim,
The motor came with the 3.47 gearbox, but wish it had the 2.58, If I was
starting fresh. I believe the 2.58 with the gearbox down and a 66" 3
blade Warp on a Slingshot would work the best all things considered. I
reserve the right to take that back after more testing, however.
The Slingshot is a neat little plane. Anyone interested in owning one
should understand that there are a few differences between it and a FS
or MK3.
First is the stall speed, in the high 40's, but still very Kolb like.
The glide rate(or lack thereof) is something to get used to as well. It
indicated around 700FPM descent at VY, but feels like even more. Also
with the gear forward stance, it has close to 100lbs on the tail wheel,
which makes it more of a hand full on the ground, and could easily make
anyone look like a fool who does not pay attention on blacktop.
These differences I've mentioned are not negative to me, just the
opposite. I just wanted to let people know. I'm glad it was not my first
Kolb.
Tom McCarthy
Fort Atkinson, WI
N514 TM Zenith 601HD
N414 TM Kolb Firestar
N863 GB Kolb Slingshot
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Construction |
The only alclad aluminum that I know is 2024...It is considered to
be a primary aircraft metal . .the core metal contains a fair amount
of copper..The trick it to lay a pure sheet of aluminum over both
sides of the ingot before it goes down the hot roll mill.. this bonds
a very thin layer to the core metal...
Guys with unpainted GA planes who like to polish will eventually
wear the soft cladding of aluminum through... then it is time to
paint...Herb
6061 is a high Maganese/Magnesium alloy...from memory..The outer
surface corrodes into aluminum oxide which is hard and offers
corrosion protection from the normal elements...meaning ,,,no mouse
pee or salt water to name a couple..
Herb/Gang:
Thanks for correcting me. I remember reading about alclad somewhere many
years ago.
I've got old 6061 tubing hanging in the shop that has turned dark and old
looking, but when inspected, it is like surface dirt, extremely thin layer.
I don't hesitate to use this old tubing when necessary.
For items that should not be painted, like aluminum engine mounts on Kolbs
with 912's, I use alodine after giving them a phosphoric acid bath. This
works good. I learned from my first set of aluminum 912 engine mounts that
if primed and painted, where the engine case makes contact with the aluminum
mount, vibration and stress will soon wear away the primer and paint,
leaving four loose engine mount bolts. Of course one could prime and paint
the mounts, but mask off the areas where the engine case makes contact with
the mounts.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
We can argue this all day long if you want, John. But it IS meaningful to me.
If I know the MPG in static air and know my headwind or tailwind component I can
easily determine in my head how far over the ground I can go. With GPH all we
know is how long we can stay in the air. That plus knowing your ground speed
and a little bit of math we can come up with the same result. Neither is meaningless.
Just a different way to approach it.
Plus it also gives you a relative efficiency number for comparing aircraft, if
anyone cares to do that. In static air my normal cruise speed of 85 mph and 3.75
gph gives me about 22.5 mpg. Your MkIII at 85 mph and 5 GPH yields about 17
MPG in static air.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Construction |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Herb, quite right. If you go to buy an old airplane check to see how long it has
been painted. Those polished antiques may look dandy
but all they are doing is harm. Better to paint it from the get go or leave the
surface to chalk.
Even then I have heard about older airplanes that looked great on the surface but
you could push a pencil through the skin. Mostly
the result of intergranular reaction due to dissimilar metals. A friend who refueled
Air America gooneys in VN said he had to be careful
to not put a foot through the wing skin. :(
BB
On 1, Dec 2010, at 4:42 PM, Herb wrote:
>
>
> John
>
> The only alclad aluminum that I know is 2024...It is considered to be a primary
aircraft metal . .the core metal contains a fair amount of copper..The trick
it to lay a pure sheet of aluminum over both sides of the ingot before it goes
down the hot roll mill.. this bonds a very thin layer to the core metal...
>
> Guys with unpainted GA planes who like to polish will eventually wear the soft
cladding of aluminum through... then it is time to paint...Herb
>
>
> 6061 is a high Maganese/Magnesium alloy...from memory..The outer surface corrodes
into aluminum oxide which is hard and offers corrosion protection from the
normal elements...meaning ,,,no mouse pee or salt water to name a couple..
>
> At 03:11 PM 12/1/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> What is the procedure you used for corrosion proofing the inside of the
>> aluminum tubing used on a Kolb?
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> Gang:
>>
>> Back in the old days, Kolb used carbon steel rivets with carbon steel
>> mandrels. They loved to rust.
>>
>> I built my Ultrastar with carbon rivets and learned soon how quickly they
>> developed rust.
>>
>> When I built my FS, I got Little Mike, Old Kolb Part Man, to get me SS pop
>> rivets to build the FS Kit. They worked much better, but they still used
>> carbon steel mandrels. I used to put a blob of Stitts 2 part expoxy on the
>> heads, but could do nothing with the tails of the rivets. However, this has
>> never been a problem. I am flying a MKIII I built in 1991, and has been
>> flying since 1992. That's a lot of hanger time, and a lot of time out under
>> the stars and rain/dew when I am flying overnight or longer cross country
>> flights.
>>
>> I haven't had a problem with corrosion. My understanding was most aircraft
>> aluminum is "alclad". That is a thin coat of pure aluminum. If you get
>> aluminum that is not "alclad", it is more prone to corrode.
>>
>> Based on the photos Rick G sent to the List of his Kolb project he picked up
>> in PA, I would have left it right where I found it. Never seen anything in
>> the junk pile out side that looked that bad, except when rodents peed on the
>> aluminum.
>>
>> Rodent urine is highly corrosive, and they love Kolbs, especially the
>> tailboom. Occasionally I shoot some anticorrosion spray into my tailboom to
>> counteract rodent urine and water that gets in there from condensation, and
>> also from occasionally washing the airplane.
>>
>> I am more concerned with the 4130 chromoly tubing. I have used tube seal in
>> all three Kolbs I have built.
>>
>> I do have drain holes on wings, ailerons, horizontal stabilizers, elevators,
>> upper and lower vertical stabilizers, and rudder. Don't know if they do
>> more harm than good. They let out moisture, but allow dirt/mud daubers to
>> come inside. I had some corrosion in the trailing edge tube of the left
>> aileron when I rebuilt it in 2000. Undoubtedly, they have a lot of acid in
>> their nests and larvae.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
We can argue this all day long if you want, John. But it IS meaningful to
me.
If I know the MPG in static air and know my headwind or tailwind component I
can easily determine in my head how far over the ground I can go. With GPH
all we know is how long we can stay in the air. That plus knowing your
ground speed and a little bit of math we can come up with the same result.
Neither is meaningless. Just a different way to approach it.
Plus it also gives you a relative efficiency number for comparing aircraft,
if anyone cares to do that. In static air my normal cruise speed of 85 mph
and 3.75 gph gives me about 22.5 mpg. Your MkIII at 85 mph and 5 GPH yields
about 17 MPG in static air.
--------
Thom Riddle
Thom R/Gang:
I am sure your system of mpg works for you, but not for me. I never heard
the term mpg in military or civilian flight training I have attended. It
has been a long time since I have been to school, so maybe current aviation
is not using GPH, but MPG now.
Let me know when you find some static air. ;-)
Most of us are flying with GPS now days. Mine is an old Garmin 196, but it
does give me constantly updated info like "time to my next waypoint", etc.
Much better system than the old E6B. I don't need to know wind speed or
direction, at my altitude, and where I am located. Knowing my accurate fuel
burn, I know immediately how much fuel and time it will take me to get to my
next.
MPG is for automobiles. GPH is for aircraft.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Construction |
For those interested in painting the inside of tubes:
Years ago we built a float FS that was intended to be flown on the
Chesapeake where the water is brackish - somewhat salty.
We have always urged strong caution in flying Kolbs on salt water because
there are so many dissimilar metals. John Pitre in HI flew a TS for many
years but he went to great pains to protect and to rinse thoroughly with
fresh water after flying.
Getting back to the FS on the Chesapeake: We made a shallow pan and soaked
the ribs in lacquer thinner and swished it around to remove as much of the
oily coating on - and in - the tubing.
Then we immersed the ribs in a shallow pan of epoxy chromate primer and hung
them up to drip dry. For the spars we cleaned them inside and out with
lacquer thinner and then poured epoxy chromate paint thru them with the ends
capped off with plastic. The spars were then rotated and tilted to get the
inside thoroughly covered.
Then when the wing was assembled we sprayed epoxy chromate paint to paint
all the rivets and any missed areas. The tail surfaces, etc got even better
treatment because the tail typically receives spray from the floats.
I don't know how much of that was necessary, but we thought we were being as
thorough as we could.
I lost track of that FS, so ultimately I do not know how successful or
unsuccessful the preventative measures were.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Construction
What is the procedure you used for corrosion proofing the inside of the
aluminum tubing used on a Kolb?
Gene
Gang:
Back in the old days, Kolb used carbon steel rivets with carbon steel
mandrels. They loved to rust.
I built my Ultrastar with carbon rivets and learned soon how quickly they
developed rust.
When I built my FS, I got Little Mike, Old Kolb Part Man, to get me SS pop
rivets to build the FS Kit. They worked much better, but they still used
carbon steel mandrels. I used to put a blob of Stitts 2 part expoxy on the
heads, but could do nothing with the tails of the rivets. However, this has
never been a problem. I am flying a MKIII I built in 1991, and has been
flying since 1992. That's a lot of hanger time, and a lot of time out under
the stars and rain/dew when I am flying overnight or longer cross country
flights.
I haven't had a problem with corrosion. My understanding was most aircraft
aluminum is "alclad". That is a thin coat of pure aluminum. If you get
aluminum that is not "alclad", it is more prone to corrode.
Based on the photos Rick G sent to the List of his Kolb project he picked up
in PA, I would have left it right where I found it. Never seen anything in
the junk pile out side that looked that bad, except when rodents peed on the
aluminum.
Rodent urine is highly corrosive, and they love Kolbs, especially the
tailboom. Occasionally I shoot some anticorrosion spray into my tailboom to
counteract rodent urine and water that gets in there from condensation, and
also from occasionally washing the airplane.
I am more concerned with the 4130 chromoly tubing. I have used tube seal in
all three Kolbs I have built.
I do have drain holes on wings, ailerons, horizontal stabilizers, elevators,
upper and lower vertical stabilizers, and rudder. Don't know if they do
more harm than good. They let out moisture, but allow dirt/mud daubers to
come inside. I had some corrosion in the trailing edge tube of the left
aileron when I rebuilt it in 2000. Undoubtedly, they have a lot of acid in
their nests and larvae.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Replacing UltraStart Red battery |
Kolbers,
I was about to purchase the second replacement battery for the FireFly. And
then I thought I would look at finding something different that may not be
so expensive. I stripped off the adhesive label and found that the battery
was made by GS Battery, a Portalac PX12050SHR. I went to a local battery
shop and purchase an equivalent battery and modified it to replace the
UltraStart Red. The dollar savings were substantial.
If you would like to see how it was done, check out:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly160.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump |
Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= FS-2
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
I think your weight and balance would probably come out better with the six gallon
tanks where the jump seat used to be, and then put one five gallon tank just
behind them where the original front tank was, that will give you 17 gallons,
and with a 503, that is a lot of fuel.
Here's how the two six gallon tanks fit in N582EF. No current pictures, can get
some if you want. (Tomorrow)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
John, not to beat a dead horse to death but after 40 odd years being around
airplanes in Alaska and other out of the way places, I too have never seen
MPH associated with airplanes. I couldn't imagine planning a trip using
MPH. What you had better think about is TIME you can stay airborn.
I'm still looking for that static air.
Gene
--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption
>
>
> We can argue this all day long if you want, John. But it IS meaningful to
> me.
>
> If I know the MPG in static air and know my headwind or tailwind component
> I
> can easily determine in my head how far over the ground I can go. With GPH
> all we know is how long we can stay in the air. That plus knowing your
> ground speed and a little bit of math we can come up with the same result.
> Neither is meaningless. Just a different way to approach it.
>
> Plus it also gives you a relative efficiency number for comparing
> aircraft,
> if anyone cares to do that. In static air my normal cruise speed of 85 mph
> and 3.75 gph gives me about 22.5 mpg. Your MkIII at 85 mph and 5 GPH
> yields
> about 17 MPG in static air.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
>
>
> Thom R/Gang:
>
> I am sure your system of mpg works for you, but not for me. I never heard
> the term mpg in military or civilian flight training I have attended. It
> has been a long time since I have been to school, so maybe current
> aviation
> is not using GPH, but MPG now.
>
> Let me know when you find some static air. ;-)
>
> Most of us are flying with GPS now days. Mine is an old Garmin 196, but
> it
> does give me constantly updated info like "time to my next waypoint", etc.
> Much better system than the old E6B. I don't need to know wind speed or
> direction, at my altitude, and where I am located. Knowing my accurate
> fuel
> burn, I know immediately how much fuel and time it will take me to get to
> my
> next.
>
> MPG is for automobiles. GPH is for aircraft.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
| From: | b d <gpabruce(at)gmail.com> |
Semantics! To each his own. The challenge is to not let the earth smite
thine ass before one reaches point "B" how ever that may be done. If one can
flap his wings or pull gas from the clouds, who cares?
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Gene & Tammy
wrote:
> zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
>
> John, not to beat a dead horse to death but after 40 odd years being around
> airplanes in Alaska and other out of the way places, I too have never seen
> MPH associated with airplanes. I couldn't imagine planning a trip using
> MPH. What you had better think about is TIME you can stay airborn.
> I'm still looking for that static air.
> Gene
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:19 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption
>
>>
>>
>> We can argue this all day long if you want, John. But it IS meaningful to
>> me.
>>
>> If I know the MPG in static air and know my headwind or tailwind component
>> I
>> can easily determine in my head how far over the ground I can go. With GPH
>> all we know is how long we can stay in the air. That plus knowing your
>> ground speed and a little bit of math we can come up with the same result.
>> Neither is meaningless. Just a different way to approach it.
>>
>> Plus it also gives you a relative efficiency number for comparing
>> aircraft,
>> if anyone cares to do that. In static air my normal cruise speed of 85 mph
>> and 3.75 gph gives me about 22.5 mpg. Your MkIII at 85 mph and 5 GPH
>> yields
>> about 17 MPG in static air.
>>
>> --------
>> Thom Riddle
>>
>>
>> Thom R/Gang:
>>
>> I am sure your system of mpg works for you, but not for me. I never heard
>> the term mpg in military or civilian flight training I have attended. It
>> has been a long time since I have been to school, so maybe current
>> aviation
>> is not using GPH, but MPG now.
>>
>> Let me know when you find some static air. ;-)
>>
>> Most of us are flying with GPS now days. Mine is an old Garmin 196, but
>> it
>> does give me constantly updated info like "time to my next waypoint", etc.
>> Much better system than the old E6B. I don't need to know wind speed or
>> direction, at my altitude, and where I am located. Knowing my accurate
>> fuel
>> burn, I know immediately how much fuel and time it will take me to get to
>> my
>> next.
>>
>> MPG is for automobiles. GPH is for aircraft.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
cheee, I know mine's not fast but I sure would like at least some MPH :)
BB
On 2, Dec 2010, at 8:51 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
>
> John, not to beat a dead horse to death but after 40 odd years being around airplanes
in Alaska and other out of the way places, I too have never seen MPH
associated with airplanes. I couldn't imagine planning a trip using MPH. What
you had better think about is TIME you can stay airborn.
> I'm still looking for that static air.
> Gene
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:19 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Fuel consumption
>
>>
>>
>> We can argue this all day long if you want, John. But it IS meaningful to
>> me.
>>
>> If I know the MPG in static air and know my headwind or tailwind component I
>> can easily determine in my head how far over the ground I can go. With GPH
>> all we know is how long we can stay in the air. That plus knowing your
>> ground speed and a little bit of math we can come up with the same result.
>> Neither is meaningless. Just a different way to approach it.
>>
>> Plus it also gives you a relative efficiency number for comparing aircraft,
>> if anyone cares to do that. In static air my normal cruise speed of 85 mph
>> and 3.75 gph gives me about 22.5 mpg. Your MkIII at 85 mph and 5 GPH yields
>> about 17 MPG in static air.
>>
>> --------
>> Thom Riddle
>>
>>
>> Thom R/Gang:
>>
>> I am sure your system of mpg works for you, but not for me. I never heard
>> the term mpg in military or civilian flight training I have attended. It
>> has been a long time since I have been to school, so maybe current aviation
>> is not using GPH, but MPG now.
>>
>> Let me know when you find some static air. ;-)
>>
>> Most of us are flying with GPS now days. Mine is an old Garmin 196, but it
>> does give me constantly updated info like "time to my next waypoint", etc.
>> Much better system than the old E6B. I don't need to know wind speed or
>> direction, at my altitude, and where I am located. Knowing my accurate fuel
>> burn, I know immediately how much fuel and time it will take me to get to my
>> next.
>>
>> MPG is for automobiles. GPH is for aircraft.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump |
Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= FS-2
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello Richard,
Thanks for your input and the picture posted.
I will surely take your suggestion and calculate the W and B and move the two 6
gallon tank accordingly.
Will appreciate if you can send me additional pictures info, if you have them.
What is your present configuration of the tanks? Did you find the FS-2 flight
characteristics change after adding the additional fuel tanks?? I do anticipate
a longer roll during take off.
Thanks,
Mahesh
FS-2, Ashland, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar for sale |
| From: | "Chris_A" <50calibercruiser(at)cox.net> |
I didn't list the details because I was pretty bummed out about selling it and
I still am but here's the specs
Rotax 377 (35hp), engine was decarbed at 150hr, starts on the first pull.
Fabric is in outstanding shape except a small patched area on the underside of
the right aileron.
Tach,EGT,CHT, Altimeter, Vertical speed indicator, Clock, Compass
Garmin GPSIII
Strobe
Brakes
TTAE 415
Tail boom damaged on trailer but repaired to new.
I'm asking $5500 OBO
Thanks,
Chris
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| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Kolb-List=3A_Re=3A_Adding_additional_fuel_t?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?anks_=93_Jump_Seat_=93_FS-2?
| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Mahesh,
Unlike Richard Pike, I have two six gal tanks in the conventional location behind
the jump seat as my main tanks, and use two auxiliary six gal. tanks as needed
depending on the length of the trip, on the jump seat location. I transfer
fuel in flight from the auxiliary tanks to the main tanks with a second pulse
pump by simply opening a valve. I'd really hate to permanently give up the
space behind the pilot's seat for carrying "other freight" by putting my main
tanks there.
If your plane flies like mine does, you will notice only a very slight difference
with the extra tanks. Slightly longer take-off roll, slightly less climb
performance, slightly higher fuel burn, slightly greater turbulence stability,
slightly greater risk of bending the landing gear on a hard landing ,,,,,,,,,,,,
and a significantly greater urgency to empty the bladder. ;-)
Gene
On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:09 PM, miyer2u wrote:
>
> Hello Richard,
> Thanks for your input and the picture posted.
> I will surely take your suggestion and calculate the W and B and move the two
6 gallon tank accordingly.
>
> Will appreciate if you can send me additional pictures info, if you have them.
What is your present configuration of the tanks? Did you find the FS-2 flight
characteristics change after adding the additional fuel tanks?? I do anticipate
a longer roll during take off.
>
> Thanks,
> Mahesh
> FS-2, Ashland, OR
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322070#322070
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Aircraft Insurance |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Here's another insurance carrier to check out if one is comparing prices and coverage.
They saved me considerable money, as a new Kolb owner.
Dave
Joseph R. Cacho
Aviation Insurance Resources-FLA
Ph: 407-770-0240
Fax: 407-770-0241
www.Air-Pros.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322093#322093
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Aircraft Insurance |
| From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
There is another insurance (liability) that you can get from a ultralight
group. Someone on the list sent me a link a few years ago when I was looking
to keep my plane at a airport that required liability insurance. It was way
less than the big insurance cariers. It seemed like it was around $400/yr
for a 1/2 million liability. Check the archives for the post.
Richard Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Watkinsdw wrote:
>
> Here's another insurance carrier to check out if one is comparing prices
> and coverage. They saved me considerable money, as a new Kolb owner.
> Dave
>
> Joseph R. Cacho
> Aviation Insurance Resources-FLA
> Ph: 407-770-0240
> Fax: 407-770-0241
> www.Air-Pros.com <http://www.air-pros.com/>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322093#322093
>
>
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Aircraft Insurance |
At 04:48 PM 12/2/2010, Richard Neilsen wrote:
>There is another insurance (liability) that you can get from a ultralight
>group. Someone on the list sent me a link a few years ago when I was
>looking to keep my plane at a airport that required liability insurance.
>It was way less than the big insurance cariers. It seemed like it was
>around $400/yr for a 1/2 million liability. Check the archives for the post.
usua.org or aerosports.org... ~400 for $1M coverage.
-Dana
--
Income tax: capital punishment.
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| Subject: | Dual Stick set up for sale |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Anyone out there interested in a used dual stick set up for the Mk III? I'm
tired of dragging my leg over while I catch my big feet on things around the
panel. Very good condition. New $475, yours 300 OBO.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Aircraft Insurance |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I have the First Flight liability insurance on my Slingshot, which is the agency
that USUA and some other groups use for insurance.
http://www.firstflightinsurance.com/associations.htm
You must be a member of USUA to get this insurance. Here is a link to the particulars,
including coverage, limitations and cost.
http://www.firstflightinsurance.com/documents/USUAWebsiteWording_006.pdf
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump |
Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= FS-2
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Since FSDO has not yet returned the Airworthiness Certificate (which was collected
after the crash, pending the rebuild) we haven't flown it yet, so no info
to share.
But here is what it looks like, the only mods were a couple diagonals welded from
what was the front sling seat mount/cross brace to the side vertical tubes,
and a length of 3/8" tubing between the two tanks and up to the upper cross brace
to help secure the tanks. The original gas tank tray now sits on those lower
two diagonal tubes. Also added a cross piece to attach to the carrying handles
on the top of the tanks. Works well, hardly any wiggles, very secure.
Since I wanted the fuel tank pickups to come out of the top of the tanks, the primer
bulb was necessary. The Facet pump (visible below the tray, center) will
not pull fuel without a prime, hence the primer bulb.
Downstream of the primer bulb is my "poor man's gascolator" (details here: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg13.html) and you can sort of see the line going to the quick drain valve off to the left of the fuselage.
The right tank in the picture has a JC Whitney gas gauge sender in it, after we
take the film off the Lexan I take a picture of how it is installed.
The black thing on the front of the left tank is the battery box for the ANR headset.
More pictures later.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Kolb-List=3A_Re=3A_Adding_additional_fuel_t?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?anks_=93_Jump_Seat_=93_FS-2?
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
That looks very nice Richard. Almost makes me want to clean up my floor :)
My Facet will pull from an empty line through a top pick up in a matter of seconds
using the 40105 lowest pressure output pump. -Located below the tank bottom.
BB
On 3, Dec 2010, at 11:03 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Since FSDO has not yet returned the Airworthiness Certificate (which was collected
after the crash, pending the rebuild) we haven't flown it yet, so no info
to share.
>
> But here is what it looks like, the only mods were a couple diagonals welded
from what was the front sling seat mount/cross brace to the side vertical tubes,
and a length of 3/8" tubing between the two tanks and up to the upper cross
brace to help secure the tanks. The original gas tank tray now sits on those
lower two diagonal tubes. Also added a cross piece to attach to the carrying handles
on the top of the tanks. Works well, hardly any wiggles, very secure.
>
> Since I wanted the fuel tank pickups to come out of the top of the tanks, the
primer bulb was necessary. The Facet pump (visible below the tray, center) will
not pull fuel without a prime, hence the primer bulb.
>
> Downstream of the primer bulb is my "poor man's gascolator" (details here: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg13.html) and you can sort of see the line going to the quick drain valve off to the left of the fuselage.
>
> The right tank in the picture has a JC Whitney gas gauge sender in it, after
we take the film off the Lexan I take a picture of how it is installed.
>
> The black thing on the front of the left tank is the battery box for the ANR
headset.
>
> More pictures later.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322171#322171
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/6gallonmod_227.jpg
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=?windows-1252?Q?=93_Jump_Seat_=93_FS=2D2?
| From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Richard/All
I looked at your poor man's gascolator again and noticed you use one of
those rubber bushings that you refuse to put in your fuel tanks. You seem to
be inconsistent. Properly installed (maybe I have been lucky) they don't
leak. I carefully drill with a step drill and debur the holes.
Any way you can get a certified style gascolator at Great Plains Aircraft
for under $40 and not have to use those as you say leaky rubber bushings at
all.
I also use safety wire clamps but I have a tool I picked up at Oshkosh that
makes a fine safety wire clamp and doesn't have as much of a sharp pointy
end. I have been replacing all my clamps on my airplane with them and have
been real happy with them. They end up being much lighter than the
traditional clamps. It is surprising. I have been throwing the old clamps in
a box as I replace them and I have saved a few pounds already. I likely have
more clamps than normal but every bit helps.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Since FSDO has not yet returned the Airworthiness Certificate (which was
> collected after the crash, pending the rebuild) we haven't flown it yet, so
> no info to share.
>
> But here is what it looks like, the only mods were a couple diagonals
> welded from what was the front sling seat mount/cross brace to the side
> vertical tubes, and a length of 3/8" tubing between the two tanks and up to
> the upper cross brace to help secure the tanks. The original gas tank tray
> now sits on those lower two diagonal tubes. Also added a cross piece to
> attach to the carrying handles on the top of the tanks. Works well, hardly
> any wiggles, very secure.
>
> Since I wanted the fuel tank pickups to come out of the top of the tanks,
> the primer bulb was necessary. The Facet pump (visible below the tray,
> center) will not pull fuel without a prime, hence the primer bulb.
>
> Downstream of the primer bulb is my "poor man's gascolator" (details here:
> http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg13.html) and you can sort of see the
> line going to the quick drain valve off to the left of the fuselage.
>
> The right tank in the picture has a JC Whitney gas gauge sender in it,
> after we take the film off the Lexan I take a picture of how it is
> installed.
>
> The black thing on the front of the left tank is the battery box for the
> ANR headset.
>
> More pictures later.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322171#322171
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/6gallonmod_227.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump |
Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= FS-2
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Gene and Richard,
Thanks for all the information. Richard, appreciate that you have a good web page
and you help share lot of useful information for Kolb builders.
PS: Gene, I am in full synch with what you said.Longer XCs call for more biological
needs and I suppose I need to add Little John as listed on the Sportys catalogue
to my shopping list :-))
Wish you all a good one!
Mahesh Iyer
FS-2, Ashland,OR
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| From: | "PCKing" <pc.king(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | safety wire clamp |
Rick,
What size wire are you using with the safety wire tool? I bought one too
but haven't used it yet.
PCKing
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Neilsen
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding additional fuel tanks
?" Jump Seat ?" FS-2
I also use safety wire clamps but I have a tool I picked up at Oshkosh
that makes a fine safety wire clamp and doesn't have as much of a sharp
pointy end. I have been replacing all my clamps on my airplane with them
and have been real happy with them. They end up being much lighter than
the traditional clamps. It is surprising. I have been throwing the old
clamps in a box as I replace them and I have saved a few pounds already.
I likely have more clamps than normal but every bit helps.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Richard Pike
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| Subject: | Re: safety wire clamp |
| From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
I don't remember the wire size. It is the safety wire that Kolb sent with m
y
kit. My plane is back in Michigan and I'm in Florida for the winter so I
can't check. The tool is a pain to use in spite of the how easy they make i
t
seem. Depending on the need you can vary the number of wraps to get most an
y
strength. It works well but you need enough clearance around the fitting to
swing the tool to get it to lock.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:37 PM, PCKing wrote:
> Rick,
>
> What size wire are you using with the safety wire tool? I bought one too
> but haven't used it yet.
>
> PCKing
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Richard Neilsen
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 12:47 PM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding additional fuel tanks
=93
> Jump Seat =93 FS-2
>
> I also use safety wire clamps but I have a tool I picked up at Oshkosh th
at
> makes a fine safety wire clamp and doesn't have as much of a sharp pointy
> end. I have been replacing all my clamps on my airplane with them and hav
e
> been real happy with them. They end up being much lighter than the
> traditional clamps. It is surprising. I have been throwing the old clamps
in
> a box as I replace them and I have saved a few pounds already. I likely h
ave
> more clamps than normal but every bit helps.
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Richard Pike
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: safety wire clamp |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
FWIW, .020" safety wire tends to cut into flexible tubing and is easy to break.
.041" is over kill. I don't have any .025 which might be okay but use .032 on
most things and it works well for hose clamping. I've never seen a special tool
for this nor felt a need for one.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: safety wire clamp |
| From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Tom
I obviously don't know as much as you but... Check out this web site
http://www.clamptitetools.com/Instructions.html
The tool is a pain but does allow for a very uniform clamp as tight as you
want. It is a bit over priced for what it is. It has never cut into any
tubing I have used it on but don't think I have ever used .020 safety wire.
As always the information is worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> FWIW, .020" safety wire tends to cut into flexible tubing and is easy to
> break. .041" is over kill. I don't have any .025 which might be okay but
use
> .032 on most things and it works well for hose clamping. I've never seen
a
> special tool for this nor felt a need for one.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x32
>
>
> =93Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.=94
> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322204#322204
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: safety wire clamp |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Rick,
.....I obviously don't know as much as you but...
That is not obvious at all. You have no idea how little I know about lots of stuff.
But I have done a fair amount of safety wiring and use it for lots of things,
including hose clamps when I don't have the right size on hand. When I get
the right size I usually will replace the safety wire, not because it does not
work but I prefer to use good hose clamps designed for the job.
I'll check out the tool link.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump |
Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q??
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
neilsenrm(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Richard/All
>
> I looked at your poor man's gascolator again and noticed you use one of those
rubberbushings that you refuse to put in your fuel tanks. You seem to be inconsistent.
Properly installed (maybe I have been lucky) they don't leak. I carefully
drill with a step drill and debur the holes.
>
> Any way you can get a certified style gascolator at Great Plains Aircraft for
under $40 and not have to use those as you say leaky rubber bushings at all.
>
> I alsouse safety wire clamps but I have a tool I picked up at Oshkosh that makes
a fine safety wire clampand doesn't have as much of a sharp pointy end. I
have been replacing all my clamps on my airplane with them and have been real
happy with them. They end up being much lighter than the traditional clamps.
It is surprising. I have been throwing the old clamps in a box as I replace them
and I havesaved a few pounds already. Ilikely have more clamps than normal
but every bit helps.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
> [b]
Don't remember saying anything about leaky rubber bushings, maybe I did, didn't
see it anywhere. The reason we put them up top is because the six gallon tanks
seemed to be a bit thinner wall thickness than the five gallons tanks that were
in there before. Maybe not, but they seemed that way to me.
Don't remember refusing to use rubber bushings on the bottom of fuel tanks, we
used the rubber bushings in the underside of the previous five gallon tanks and
they worked fine, but somehow I just didn't feel too good about doing the same
thing with the six gallon tanks.
And besides, doing the safety wiring on the plumbing is so much easier when things
are up top...
Roger on the box full of heavy old hose clamps... Me too.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | Jon LaVasseur <firestar503(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks in the jump seat area |
Hi Gang,
My Firestar II has been flying for years with two 5 gallon tanks in the standard
rear position and two additional 5 gallon tanks in the jump seat area. The two
tanks in the rear area feed out of the bottomin series so the rear most tank
empties first. The two tanks forward which feed out of their tops are in a
custom aluminum box. The box mounts with four bolts and thereis a quick
disconnecton the fuel line coming out of the box so it can be removed quickly
for a passenger. It is also secured by the rear seat belt. Another quick
disconnect is in-line between the two tanks in the box so on short trips only
one tank need be filled. The whole setup is controlled by an A-B valve mounted
within reach in-flight so fuel can be taken from the front or the rear at will.
The standard pulse fuel pump handles the system nicely and weight and balance is
manageable for a 150 # pilot.
I do not have any readily available pictures but if anyone is interested in the
setup some could be posted.
Jon L
Minnesota
N503KF
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| Subject: | Ran the 582 today |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Did a bit more work today, it is supposed to snow tomorrow and then be colder than
a bear, so had to get it while we could. Engine ran good, but got a wire connected
wrong somewhere, the water temp gauge doesn't work, neither do the kill
switches. Ya think I got em' switched? [Rolling Eyes]
Here's some pictures-
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Here are some of the legislative initiatives on the horizon:
http://tinyurl.com/2bbnpsf
in my not so humble opinion this anti-terrorist bs has gone too far.
If they get too ambitious with said bs, even at my age, I will go Jack
Hart's route.
If they come up with more restrictions after that they can KMA.
BB
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump |
Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= FS-2
| From: | "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com> |
Richard, Your photo shows your fuel tanks just above your battery/electronics box.
Is that right ? Perhaps it might be wise to consider some sort of cover over
the electronics such that if there was a leakage or spillage of fuel it doesn't
go directly down onto those items but is drained off safely somewhere else.
Just a thought. David.
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| Subject: | Re: Ran the 582 today |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Very nice, Richard. Perhaps you should dub this Firestar II Lazarus.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Ran the 582 today |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
The Phoenix nose art was not very obvious in the pictures, but it's now a Firebird.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Nice post......."regulation for the sake of regulation" or " New World Order".
Aviation will surely become ever more elitist. :(
--------
Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. George Bernard
Shaw
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump |
Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= FS-2
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Something like cut the bottom off a plastic milk jug and drape over it? Sounds
good to me!
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 12/03/10 |
Thanks Rick (Neilsen). Great stuff. I looked up the tool and it is impressive.
Richard Pike: Are these recent photos on your web site?
I appreciate all the help.
Bob Green
Building MKIIIX, N830PB
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?anks_=93_Jump_Seat_=93_FS-2?
| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
Richard,
Will it have a cockpit heater?
Gene
On Dec 3, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Since FSDO has not yet returned the Airworthiness Certificate (which was collected
after the crash, pending the rebuild) we haven't flown it yet, so no info
to share.
>
> But here is what it looks like, the only mods were a couple diagonals welded
from what was the front sling seat mount/cross brace to the side vertical tubes,
and a length of 3/8" tubing between the two tanks and up to the upper cross
brace to help secure the tanks. The original gas tank tray now sits on those
lower two diagonal tubes. Also added a cross piece to attach to the carrying handles
on the top of the tanks. Works well, hardly any wiggles, very secure.
>
> Since I wanted the fuel tank pickups to come out of the top of the tanks, the
primer bulb was necessary. The Facet pump (visible below the tray, center) will
not pull fuel without a prime, hence the primer bulb.
>
> Downstream of the primer bulb is my "poor man's gascolator" (details here: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg13.html) and you can sort of see the line going to the quick drain valve off to the left of the fuselage.
>
> The right tank in the picture has a JC Whitney gas gauge sender in it, after
we take the film off the Lexan I take a picture of how it is installed.
>
> The black thing on the front of the left tank is the battery box for the ANR
headset.
>
> More pictures later.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322171#322171
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/6gallonmod_227.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 12/02/10 |
> I too have never seen MPH associated with airplanes.
I think you guys are making a big deal out of this when it sounds to me like
a fella just wants more info. Maybe, like me, he wants to look at things
from more than one way. Maybe he wants a broader outlook, a variety of ways
to analyze things.
> I'm still looking for that static air.
He didn't say anything about static air. He can make use of mpg info without
static air. Give him a break!
GeoB
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| Subject: | Re: Adding additional fuel tanks =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Jump |
Seat =?ISO-8859-1?Q??
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Won't need one. By the time FSDO gets around to inspecting it, it will be warm
again. :P
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Well guys,
the shooting gallery is open ! What do you think of the new skis ? The Right
ski will go much better now that I know what I have the left one done....Can't
wait for snow ! These are made for going on snowmobile packed snow on Houghton
Lake,,,no glacier hopping...lol
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru A- 2200 168.7 hrs
N327CS
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Ok ...I stoled someones idea with the hat cam,but it works great ! Thank you !
Here is the link if you get the chance ,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3qNi2m7yh0
Have a great weekend !
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru A-2200
n327 cs
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi Chris,
nice video
.
>From another Jabi/Extra flyer. (We also have snow on the ground. Temps down
to -7C )
Pat
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
<>
Not so! The Kolb glides perfectly well at an approptiate speed. What you
are describing is a stall.
In that way it is unlike the Challenger which is much more forgiving and
just mushes if the speed drops off
Pat
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| Subject: | Nice day doing some Texas Kolb cruisin' |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Kolb folks,
I had a nice, semi-X country flight Saturday to an EAA #1347 BBQ at Fayette County
airport, just outside of La Grange TX. Ran into Gary Haley, a friend that
many of you know. He still has a Mk III, but it's currently benched. WX was great,
80 degrees at mid afternoon, winds WSW @ 12. Met a lot of new experimental
builders, mostly RV flyers, & had one of those days that makes me glad I'm fortunate
enough to own & fly a Kolb.
Flew 277 miles round trip, engine was on for 5.1 hrs, burned 14.1 gal fuel. Did
a lot of low flight river meandering on the way home and had a great day. Here's
a photo of Gary & I standing in front of my Firestar.
Oh, forgot mention that would be 2.76 gph, or if you prefer, 19.65 mpg.
[Wink]
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Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nice day doing some Texas Kolb cruisin' |
Enjoyed your report and photo. What engine?
I have noticed on some past photos, from others, that some of the Kolb
owners have prop shaft extenders on their Rotax engines. Just wondering
why?
Gene
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 6:53 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Nice day doing some Texas Kolb cruisin'
>
> Kolb folks,
>
> I had a nice, semi-X country flight Saturday to an EAA #1347 BBQ at
> Fayette County airport, just outside of La Grange TX. Ran into Gary Haley,
> a friend that many of you know. He still has a Mk III, but it's currently
> benched. WX was great, 80 degrees at mid afternoon, winds WSW @ 12. Met a
> lot of new experimental builders, mostly RV flyers, & had one of those
> days that makes me glad I'm fortunate enough to own & fly a Kolb.
>
> Flew 277 miles round trip, engine was on for 5.1 hrs, burned 14.1 gal
> fuel. Did a lot of low flight river meandering on the way home and had a
> great day. Here's a photo of Gary & I standing in front of my Firestar.
>
> Oh, forgot mention that would be 2.76 gph, or if you prefer, 19.65 mpg.
> [Wink]
>
> --------
> Jimmy Young
> Missouri City, TX
> Kolb FS II/HKS 700
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Nice day doing some Texas Kolb cruisin' |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Prop shaft extenders do two things:
1. They keep the ultra-flexible Ivoprop out of the aileron tubes.
2. They get the prop further from the trailing edge, which reduces "prop chop"
noise as the prop cuts through the airflow coming off the wing.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nice day doing some Texas Kolb cruisin' |
Thanks Richard. Makes sense now.
Gene
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From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:22 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Nice day doing some Texas Kolb cruisin'
>
> Prop shaft extenders do two things:
> 1. They keep the ultra-flexible Ivoprop out of the aileron tubes.
> 2. They get the prop further from the trailing edge, which reduces "prop
> chop" noise as the prop cuts through the airflow coming off the wing.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322339#322339
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>
>
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| From: | "Vic" <vicsv(at)myfairpoint.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nice day doing some Texas Kolb cruisin' |
Richard
Does the lack of chop noise improve performance?
Vic
Maine
912 Xtra
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
In that way it is unlike the Challenger which is much more forgiving and
just mushes if the speed drops off
Pat
Thanks for that info.
That explains why it is so easy to identify a Challenger pilot that has a
bit of a hard landing. They usually are sporting a cast on one or both legs
from their toes to their crotch. The injuries are usually the result of the
hose clamps failing that attach the nose gear, followed by the pilots feet
going into the ground as the nose of the Challenger is wiped off.
I have never flown a Challenger. I have to rely on your expert advice.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: winter skis ! |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
Chris, it looks like you did it right with the skis.
I like your "hat cam" and the video you made. I would like to do the same.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000 hours
23 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
2 years flying it
120 hrs
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| From: | "Jerry Deckard" <flypoker(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
Maybe my term flair was a bit much. My point is that the kolb airspeed
bleeds off quickly. I am not one of those one plane is better than the other
kind of people. Each has it's plus and minus. I didn't mean to imply that
the challenger is better. I had a challenger, now have a kolb. Not because I
thought one was better than the other, just ready for something different. I
also have a Rans S12 I am building.
However "My" kolb glides like a rock compared the challenger I had. I do
like the kolb, I am not cutting it down.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Novice Kolb Pilot
>
>
> In that way it is unlike the Challenger which is much more forgiving and
> just mushes if the speed drops off
>
> Pat
>
>
> Thanks for that info.
>
> That explains why it is so easy to identify a Challenger pilot that has a
> bit of a hard landing. They usually are sporting a cast on one or both
> legs
> from their toes to their crotch. The injuries are usually the result of
> the
> hose clamps failing that attach the nose gear, followed by the pilots feet
> going into the ground as the nose of the Challenger is wiped off.
>
> I have never flown a Challenger. I have to rely on your expert advice.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
Maybe my term flair was a bit much. However "My" kolb glides like a rock
compared the challenger I had. I do
like the kolb, I am not cutting it down.
Jerry
Hi Jerry/Gang:
No problem. You have a "flair" about you. Could not resist. ;-)
I was responding, primarily, to Patrick L, former Challenger owner/pilot.
I have been flying Kolbs since the first one I built in 1984. I fly them
because I have found nothing better that suits my style of flying.
Crashworthiness is also high on my list of requirements for my aircraft.
Comparing Kolbs and Challengers...., as far as I am concerned, there is
none, especially on the Kolb List. I don't imagine Kolbs get high marks on
the Challenger List either, if there is a Challenger List.
Too cold and windy to fly today for fun.
BTW: I took advice from the List and bought the SS exhaust springs from:
http://jbmindustries.com/ROTAX.htm
I installed them a couple days ago with a good band of silicone seal from
hook to hook. They fit the Titan Exhaust perfectly. Looks like they will
outlast the old springs that are better at producing rust and failing than
keeping the Titan silencer on the pipes. Only operational hours will tell
if they are as good as advertised.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- John- Thanks for the link to JBM.- Last year I put a new throttle cab
le grommet on the Bing 54, and it's cracked already without even running it
.-It was a Rotax part out of Lockwood.- Looks like I'll try the JBM par
ts.
-
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----------------------- Bill
Sullivan
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dsor Locks, Ct.
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7
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grees, clear and windy-
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| From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Chris
The quality is good on that hat cam. Could you post a photo of your hat
mount? What camera are you using?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:58 PM, ces308 wrote:
>
> Ok ...I stoled someones idea with the hat cam,but it works great ! Thank
> you ! Here is the link if you get the chance ,
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3qNi2m7yh0
>
> Have a great weekend !
>
> chris ambrose
> M3X/Jabiru A-2200
> n327 cs
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322318#322318
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Tom,
It,s like teaching a pig to whistle,it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 29, 2010 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 912 Idle
My Zenith CH701 friend has a 912S. It has the characteristic on the groun
d
of stopping when the throttle is pulled to full idle. As his friendly Fligh
t
Advisor I find this worrisome if not downright unsafe. I've tried to get hi
m
to increase his idle stop screws but he views it as a deliberate design
"feature" to replace the absent mixture idle cutoff. Any comments or
experience to assuage my fears or convince him of the error of his ways?
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Tom K/Gang:
The 912 operators manual indicates the idle speed to be 1,400 rpm minimum.
No mention of "deliberate design feature to replace the absent mixture idle
cutoff."
I believe if Rotax wanted a mixture idle cutoff, they would have equipped
the 912 with a mixture control.
Never lost a 912 with the throttle closed during an approach, and don't wan
t
to. For that matter, never had a 912 quit running in flight, except when I
screwed up and tried to fly with contaminated fuel. I didn't know the fuel
was contaminated because I did not drain fuel after I obtained it from an
unreliable source, even though I thought, at the time, both places were
reliable aviation fuel suppliers.
I have found with my one 912UL and two 912ULS's, they all like to idle
around 1,500 to 1,600 rpm.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
| From: | "gotime242" <dylanshine(at)gmail.com> |
I was in the same situation. I am a commercial pilot / fly a learjet 60 for a living
and always wanted a small experimental type airplane. I got my tailwheel
in a super cub, which is still completely different.
I read up on the handling characteristics a lot, then just gave it a shot. As mentioned
crow hops are a bad idea, as is starting from pavement.
Keep your speed up, fly it to the ground. Come in with a little power each time
(enough to make it seem like a normal approach in a cessna or something) and
literally just fly the mains on. As you get better start reducing the power untill
you can land at idle. Do not flare at 20 feet over the numbers, you will
most likely stall. Keep you approach attitude untill 2 feet off the ground and
go from there.
Hope this helps.
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| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Thanks Go Time....What a contrast a Lear jet to a Kolb Firestar. If it wasn't for
this Firestar popping up on an add, I doubt I would have returned to flying
at age 62. I also ride Honda Gold-wings , I always said; If I could only put
wings on my GL1800, it would be a perfect world of thrill, reliability and performance....
The Kolb Firestar seems to fit the bill. A best of both worlds.
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Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. George Bernard
Shaw
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| Subject: | Re: winter skis ! |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Thanks Ralph !
I had a good teacher ! lol Can't wait to try them !
chris ambrose
M3X/Jab
N327CS
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| Subject: | Merry Dawn is a few steps closer to being airborn again |
| From: | "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com> |
Hey all! It's Cristal. The article on the front of the AOPA training magazine
inspired me. It said, "No Excuses! Find a way to fly!" So I saved up my change
(and hubby even donated his for my cause!) and I finally got my BFR! I also
found some time (had a few days off from work and found a sitter) to see what
damage my Kolb Mark II has from setting up so long without flying since the
baby came 6 weeks early I didn't get a chance to prepare the plane to set.
I've taken apart my carbs and will have to replace some things. That ethanol loaded
gasoline really gunked up the carbs and fuel filter. What a mess. My battery
is also corroded. I'll be saving up some more change to get my replacement
parts. Going to clean out the plastic gas tanks I have, take off the exhaust
and check the rings and pistons. Now I only have Saturdays to work on it
(if I find a sitter) so it may be a while before Merry Dawn is back in the air.
(I can tell she's missing it! :D)
On a better note, my newest little family member, Abigail, is doing just fine and
is growing like crazy!
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Cristal Waters
Kolb Mark II Twinstar
Rotax 503 DCSI
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Merry Dawn is a few steps closer to being airborn again |
Hey all! It's Cristal. The article on the front of the AOPA training
magazine inspired me. It said, "No Excuses! Find a way to fly!"
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Cristal Waters
Hi Cristal/Gang:
Where there is a will, there is a way. Good on you!!!
Now I will have an excuse to fly over to Georgia when you all have your next
flyin.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Merry Dawn is a few steps closer to being airborn again |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations and Merry Christmas to all of you, and a Happy FLYING New
Year to you.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:17 PM, cristalclear13 wrote:
> cristalclearwaters(at)gmail.com>
>
> Hey all! It's Cristal. The article on the front of the AOPA training
> magazine inspired me. It said, "No Excuses! Find a way to fly!" So I saved
> up my change (and hubby even donated his for my cause!) and I finally got my
> BFR! I also found some time (had a few days off from work and found a
> sitter) to see what damage my Kolb Mark II has from setting up so long
> without flying since the baby came 6 weeks early I didn't get a chance to
> prepare the plane to set.
>
> I've taken apart my carbs and will have to replace some things. That
> ethanol loaded gasoline really gunked up the carbs and fuel filter. What a
> mess. My battery is also corroded. I'll be saving up some more change to
> get my replacement parts. Going to clean out the plastic gas tanks I have,
> take off the exhaust and check the rings and pistons. Now I only have
> Saturdays to work on it (if I find a sitter) so it may be a while before
> Merry Dawn is back in the air. (I can tell she's missing it! :D)
>
> On a better note, my newest little family member, Abigail, is doing just
> fine and is growing like crazy!
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Kolb Mark II Twinstar
> Rotax 503 DCSI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322381#322381
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| From: | "The Kuffels" <kuffel(at)cyberport.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
<< My Zenith CH701 friend has a 912S. It has the characteristic on
the ground of stopping when the throttle is pulled to full idle >>
<< It,s like teaching a pig to whistle,it wastes your time and annoys
the pig.
G.Aman >>
Actually he has been pretty responsive to most of my suggestions and did
a thorough and careful AC90-89 style preparation to his successful first
flight.
After showing him John's response to my query he has agreed before his
second flight to increase his idle set screws 1/2 turn at a time until
he gets a stable idle above 1400. However since he is an
(anti)snowbird, the next flight might not be until spring given the
recent weather here.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
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| From: | McCarthy Tom <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: winter skis ! |
Well guys,
the shooting gallery is open ! What do you think of the new skis ? The
Right
ski will go much better now that I know what I have the left one
done....Can't
wait for snow ! These are made for going on snowmobile packed snow on
Houghton
Lake,,,no glacier hopping...lol
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru A- 2200 168.7 hrs
N327CS
Chris,
I did the same thing with my Firestar about 5 years ago, but only flew
it a couple of times before removal.
The first thing I found out was the plane felt a like flying tank in the
air, scary to bank at any angle, so be prepared. I also found out the
importance of putting some runners on the bottom of the ski's to keep
the plane going the way you want it and not being blown sideways in any
light crosswind. My only suggestion would be to install maybe (3) boogie
wheels on top of the ski's that go thru the ski, so that pavement
landing or taxi is possible. I ended up making wheeled carts like whats
found at HF, just to push it from the hanger to the snow.
My conclusion was to just land on the beat down snowmobile trails with
my wheels, hoping for no engine outs over the large farmland areas we
have here.
If anyone wants to try my ski's, they are available. Pick up in For
Atkinson, WI.
Tom McCarthy
N514 TM Zenith 601HD
N414 TM Kolb Firestar
N863 GB Kolb Slingshot
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| Subject: | Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582 |
Hallo Boys!
Can somebody send me a type certificate by copy for my KOLB MARK II
TWINSTAR/with Rotax 582/?
It would be the best from Deutschland or USA.
Please to help for a poor kolb pilot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank's.
Zolt=E1n Tibor Hungary
KOLB Twinstar
zetebete@t-online.hu
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| Subject: | Re: Nice day doing some Texas Kolb cruisin' |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
It improves Hearing Performance.
19.65 mpg is good, Jimmy :-). So is 2.76 gph.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Novice Kolb Pilot |
The injuries are usually the result of the
hose clamps failing that attach the nose gear,>>
Very good John. I had a good chuckle. I think the hose clamps are like any
other part of any construction which is used for something it was not
designed for. (Like trying to move rocks with the front wheel of your bike).
I always landed my Challenger on the mains and held the front wheel off as
long as possible.It was fine.
In fact on two occasions when the rubber band failed it was OK. The first
time, I landed fast and very untidily and a bit heavy after everything went
quiet at about 800 feet. The second time the landing was OK but getting her
out from a small, ridged field nearly shook my teeth out before I scraped
over the hedge. She leaped from ridge to ridge in a series of controlled
crashes but everything held together.
The CAA distributes a monthly list of mishaps and it is surprising how many
Cessnas etc come to grief from front wheel failure caused by wheelbarrowing
in on all three wheels
Good to have you back, John. Good flying.
Pat
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| From: | McCarthy Tom <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com> |
>
> Well guys,
> the shooting gallery is open ! What do you think of the new skis ?
The Right
> ski will go much better now that I know what I have the left one
done....Can't
> wait for snow ! These are made for going on snowmobile packed snow on
Houghton
> Lake,,,no glacier hopping...lol
>
> chris ambrose
> M3X/Jabiru A- 2200 168.7 hrs
> N327CS
>
> Chris,
>
> I did the same thing with my Firestar about 5 years ago, but only flew
it a couple of times before removal.
> The first thing I found out was the plane felt a like flying tank in
the air, scary to bank at any angle, so be prepared. I also found out
the importance of putting some runners on the bottom of the ski's to
keep the plane going the way you want it and not being blown sideways in
any light crosswind. My only suggestion would be to install maybe (3)
boogie wheels on top of the ski's that go thru the ski, so that pavement
landing or taxi is possible. I ended up making wheeled carts like whats
found at HF, just to push it from the hanger to the snow.
>
> My conclusion was to just land on the beat down snowmobile trails with
my wheels, hoping for no engine outs over the large farmland areas we
have here.
>
> If anyone wants to try my ski's, they are available. Pick up in For
Atkinson, WI.
>
>
> Tom McCarthy
> N514 TM Zenith 601HD
> N414 TM Kolb Firestar
> N863 GB Kolb Slingshot
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Tom,
Didn't sound that promising in your first post.Johns advice carries a lot m
ore weight than most.My friend has a Savannah /912S.We set it mechanically,
closing the throttle plates completely, then use a feeler gauge for base a
djustment ,then 2 vac gauges on the crossover tube ports to get a very smoo
th idle at 1600.We also have a dynamic balancer we purchased as a group tha
t made his 912 incredibly
smooth at RPM.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: The Kuffels <kuffel(at)cyberport.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 1:35 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 912 Idle
<< My Zenith CH701 friend has a 912S. It has the characteristic on the g
round of stopping when the throttle is pulled to full idle >>
<< It,s like teaching a pig to whistle,it wastes your time and annoys the p
ig.
G.Aman >>
Actually he has been pretty responsive to most of my suggestions and did a
thorough and careful AC90-89 style preparation to his successful first flig
ht.
After showing him John's response to my query he has agreed before his seco
nd flight to increase his idle set screws 1/2 turn at a time until he gets
a stable idle above 1400. However since he is an (anti)snowbird, the next
flight might not be until spring given the recent weather here.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
We also have a dynamic balancer we purchased as a group that made his 912
incredibly
smooth at RPM.
G.Aman
Gary A/Gang:
What kind of "dynamic balancer" do you have?
I am assuming this is a prop balancer.
I bought a pair of good quality, viscous dampened vacuum gauges, a couple
years ago, to balance my carbs on the 912. However, there was some
discrepancy in readings between the two. After a couple tries at using the
gauges to balance, I chucked them, and use mechanical balance only. Seemed
I was doing a better job mechanically than with the vacuum gauges.
The mud daubers have built nest in my prop hub while I was recovering from
my injuries. I got most of them out before I flew the other day, but need
to remove the prop and extension in order to do a proper job of cleaning.
Then I have to decide how to block the empty prop hub holes to prevent them
from homesteading on my engine again.
28F, clear and cold in Titus, Alabama.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
- John- For plugging/blocking stray holes, try spray foam in a can.- Ma
rketed under "Really Great Stuff", or a similar name.- Available at Home
Depot, Lowe's, or a hardware store.- Expands to fit, can be trimmed with
a saw or knife, weighs nothing, and won't hurt anything if it falls out.-
Cheap, too.
-
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--------------- Bill Sullivan
--- On Mon, 12/6/10, John Hauck wrote:
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 912 Idle
Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 9:08 AM
-
-We also have a dynamic balancer we purchased as a group that made his 91
2 incredibly
smooth at RPM.
G.Aman
-
-
-
-Gary A/Gang:
-
What kind of "dynamic balancer"- do you have?
-
I am assuming this is a prop balancer.
-
I bought a pair of good quality, viscous dampened vacuum gauges, a couple y
ears ago, to balance my carbs on the 912.- However, there was some discre
pancy in readings between the two.- After a couple tries at using the gau
ges to balance, I chucked them, and use mechanical balance only.- Seemed
I was doing a better job mechanically than with the vacuum gauges.
-
The mud daubers have built nest in my prop hub while I was recovering from
my injuries.- I got most of them out before I flew the other day, but nee
d to remove the prop and extension in order to do a proper job of cleaning.
- Then I have to decide how to block the empty prop hub holes to prevent
them from homesteading- on my engine again.
-
28F, clear and cold in Titus, Alabama.
-
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
John,
web site for balancer is RPXTECH.com
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 9:11 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 912 Idle
We also have a dynamic balancer we purchased as a group that made his 912
incredibly
smooth at RPM.
G.Aman
Gary A/Gang:
What kind of "dynamic balancer" do you have?
I am assuming this is a prop balancer.
I bought a pair of good quality, viscous dampened vacuum gauges, a couple y
ears ago, to balance my carbs on the 912. However, there was some discrepa
ncy in readings between the two. After a couple tries at using the gauges
to balance, I chucked them, and use mechanical balance only. Seemed I was
doing a better job mechanically than with the vacuum gauges.
The mud daubers have built nest in my prop hub while I was recovering from
my injuries. I got most of them out before I flew the other day, but need
to remove the prop and extension in order to do a proper job of cleaning.
Then I have to decide how to block the empty prop hub holes to prevent them
from homesteading on my engine again.
28F, clear and cold in Titus, Alabama.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
John- For plugging/blocking stray holes, try spray foam in a can. Marketed
under "Really Great Stuff", or a similar name. Available at Home Depot,
Lowe's, or a hardware store. Expands to fit, can be trimmed with a saw or
knife, weighs nothing, and won't hurt anything if it falls out. Cheap, too.
Bill Sullivan
Bill S/Gang:
Think that would work in bolt holes in the prop hub?
I used silicone seal to fill holes in the gear box. Hesitated to use it on
steel after some severe corrosion using it on a 4130 tail wheel strut.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
Might try the non acetic acid silicone sealant...I am guessing that
that was why you have corrosion? Never bought any so not sure of
brands etc...The Long ez guys use it to make fiberglass lay ups which
they mold around their engines for cooling baffles...Herb
At 08:43 AM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
> John- For plugging/blocking stray holes, try spray foam in a
> can. Marketed under "Really Great Stuff", or a similar
> name. Available at Home Depot, Lowe's, or a hardware
> store. Expands to fit, can be trimmed with a saw or knife, weighs
> nothing, and won't hurt anything if it falls out. Cheap, too.
>
> Bill Sullivan
>
>
>Bill S/Gang:
>
>Think that would work in bolt holes in the prop hub?
>
>I used silicone seal to fill holes in the gear box. Hesitated to
>use it on steel after some severe corrosion using it on a 4130 tail
>wheel strut.
>
>john h
>mkIII
>Titus, Alabama
>
>
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re:non corrosive sealants |
replying to my own message. Just googled non acetic acid
silicone...Dow corning makes several...listed as non corrosive or non
acetic acid... Home Depot or Lowes...etc...Herb
At 08:51 AM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
>Might try the non acetic acid silicone sealant...I am guessing that
>that was why you have corrosion? Never bought any so not sure of
>brands etc...The Long ez guys use it to make fiberglass lay ups
>which they mold around their engines for cooling baffles...Herb
>
>At 08:43 AM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
>> John- For plugging/blocking stray holes, try spray foam in a
>> can. Marketed under "Really Great Stuff", or a similar
>> name. Available at Home Depot, Lowe's, or a hardware
>> store. Expands to fit, can be trimmed with a saw or knife, weighs
>> nothing, and won't hurt anything if it falls out. Cheap, too.
>>
>> Bill Sullivan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Bill S/Gang:
>>
>>Think that would work in bolt holes in the prop hub?
>>
>>I used silicone seal to fill holes in the gear box. Hesitated to
>>use it on steel after some severe corrosion using it on a 4130 tail
>>wheel strut.
>>
>>john h
>>mkIII
>>Titus, Alabama
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
Actually he has been pretty responsive to most of my suggestions and did
a thorough and careful AC90-89 style preparation to his successful first
flight.
After showing him John's response to my query he has agreed before his
second flight to increase his idle set screws 1/2 turn at a time until
he gets a stable idle above 1400. However since he is an
(anti)snowbird, the next flight might not be until spring given the
recent weather here.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
tom
while pulling a mixture control to kill most aircraft engines is a
design feature,,, it is done by a separate control, and can't be done
by accident while adjusting the throttle in an emergency or normal
routine. if he wanted a way to kill the engine if the mag switches
failed... have him fix up a control that will shut the fuel off either
at the tanks or just before the carbs. it would take a bit longer to
kill the engine because of the fuel in the float bowl.. but it would be
better than killing the engine on short final only to find that because
of wind, you needed a bit more power to make the runway.
maybe because he has agreed to 1400 rpm at idle... this may be too late
to be of help... if he created a stop on the throttle quadrant that
would keep the engine at a good idle speed... and have a way to disable
the stop by depressing another control at the same time. then he could,
only after overcoming the throttle stop, be able to pull the throttle
to stop the engine.
the idle stop screws would be the best way to control the idle speed...
as cable stretch would alter the settings if using a throttle stop.
boyd young
mkIII 912
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| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
John,
web site for balancer is RPXTECH.com
G.Aman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Garry.... does the balancer change any between flights,,, and
therefore take a little time to rebalance upon start up... or is it
quite stable between flights.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582 |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Zoltan, No Kolb aircraft is type cerificated. They are either flown as
ultralights under FAR 103, or they are licensed in the experimental categor
y
under FAR 21.191(h) or 21.191(i)1.
Rick Girard
2010/12/6 zetebete <zetebete@t-online.hu>
> Hallo Boys!
>
> Can somebody send me a type certificate by copy for my KOLB MARK II
> TWINSTAR/with Rotax 582/?
>
> It would be the best from Deutschland or USA.
>
> Please to help for a poor kolb pilot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Thank=92s.
>
> Zolt=E1n Tibor Hungary
>
> KOLB Twinstar
>
> zetebete@t-online.hu
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unabl
e
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re:non corrosive sealants |
That's good info Herb.
I used silicone to plug all the unused holes in my suzuki engine. They
were subject to the same mud plugs.
I would hesitate to use great stuff. -once made a vehicle rust out
twice as fast by injecting it into all the hollow panels.
Turns out it wicks moisture -and salt. :(
For a temporary fix on the prop hub a patch of duct tape stays on fine.
Not very high tech looking.
I don't use the back up disk on my two blade warp hub so I found a
rubber plug that fit the center hole perfectly
Sometimes it pays to save old stuff.
BB
On 6, Dec 2010, at 9:59 AM, Herb wrote:
>
> replying to my own message. Just googled non acetic acid
silicone...Dow corning makes several...listed as non corrosive or non
acetic acid... Home Depot or Lowes...etc...Herb
>
> At 08:51 AM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
>
>> Might try the non acetic acid silicone sealant...I am guessing that
that was why you have corrosion? Never bought any so not sure of
brands etc...The Long ez guys use it to make fiberglass lay ups which
they mold around their engines for cooling baffles...Herb
>>
>> At 08:43 AM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
>>> John- For plugging/blocking stray holes, try spray foam in a can.
Marketed under "Really Great Stuff", or a similar name. Available at
Home Depot, Lowe's, or a hardware store. Expands to fit, can be trimmed
with a saw or knife, weighs nothing, and won't hurt anything if it falls
out. Cheap, too.
>>>
>>> Bill Sullivan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill S/Gang:
>>>
>>> Think that would work in bolt holes in the prop hub?
>>>
>>> I used silicone seal to fill holes in the gear box. Hesitated to
use it on steel after some severe corrosion using it on a 4130 tail
wheel strut.
>>>
>>> john h
>>> mkIII
>>> Titus, Alabama
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Merry Dawn is a few steps closer to being airborn again |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Cristal that's great. Glad to hear you are doing well and have the drive in your
heart to continue flying and maintaining your Kolb with all you have going on.
Still look forward to meeting you one day. Best wishes!
--------
Jimmy Young
Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322477#322477
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
John,
The balancer tells you how much weight to add and where to add it.I put on
ly a few grams under the prop attach bolts (washers in my case)or nuts.I ha
ve the info in the certificate holder in the airplane so I can't recall exa
ctly how much weight total we added,but it was a few grams.We left the refl
ector tape on on as well,,just a small spot..The chart in the plane is a se
gmented circle showing degrees
and the weight added at those locations.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: b young <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 11:13 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 912 Idle
John,
web site for balancer is RPXTECH.com
G.Aman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Garry.... does the balancer change any between flights,,, and therefore
take a little time to rebalance upon start up... or is it quite stable be
tween flights.
boyd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re:non corrosive sealants |
Try the auto parts store; look for 'sensor safe'. (meaning non-corrosive)
Charlie
On 12/6/2010 8:59 AM, Herb wrote:
>
> replying to my own message. Just googled non acetic acid
> silicone...Dow corning makes several...listed as non corrosive or non
> acetic acid... Home Depot or Lowes...etc...Herb
>
> At 08:51 AM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
>
>> Might try the non acetic acid silicone sealant...I am guessing that
>> that was why you have corrosion? Never bought any so not sure of
>> brands etc...The Long ez guys use it to make fiberglass lay ups which
>> they mold around their engines for cooling baffles...Herb
>>
>> At 08:43 AM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
>>> John- For plugging/blocking stray holes, try spray foam in a can.
>>> Marketed under "Really Great Stuff", or a similar name. Available
>>> at Home Depot, Lowe's, or a hardware store. Expands to fit, can be
>>> trimmed with a saw or knife, weighs nothing, and won't hurt anything
>>> if it falls out. Cheap, too.
>>>
>>> Bill Sullivan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill S/Gang:
>>>
>>> Think that would work in bolt holes in the prop hub?
>>>
>>> I used silicone seal to fill holes in the gear box. Hesitated to
>>> use it on steel after some severe corrosion using it on a 4130 tail
>>> wheel strut.
>>>
>>> john h
>>> mkIII
>>> Titus, Alabama
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "b young" <by0ung(at)brigham.net> |
| Subject: | Re:non corrosive sealants |
For a temporary fix on the prop hub a patch of duct tape stays on fine.
Not very high tech looking.
I don't use the back up disk on my two blade warp hub so I found a
rubber plug that fit the center hole perfectly
Sometimes it pays to save old stuff.
BB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
if you get the aluminum duct tape,, available at hvac (heating vent air
conditioning) locations... cut to fit, pull the backing and it stays
put well and looks good.
boyd young
mkIII utah
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re:non corrosive sealants |
if you get the aluminum duct tape,, available at hvac (heating vent air
conditioning) locations... cut to fit, pull the backing and it stays put
well and looks good.
boyd young
Folks:
Thanks for all the recommendations.
I like Boyd's idea of aluminum duct tape. It is light, can die cut enough
to cover the holes, and should not affect balance.
Darn mud daubers are a pain in the butt. They have several places around
the cylinder bases on the crank case they love to build homes. On top of
that, where they build their homes is difficult to access and remove.
Clear, sunny, and cold. Still too cold to fly comfortably, unless I get
serious, get out the Chillie Vest and long drawers.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re:non corrosive sealants |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
John, If your hub has the small, 1" hole a plastic cap off a Blitz fuel can
fits perfectly. It's been in the hole of my trike's Power Fin for almost
three years now, weighs little and I always have a gas cap handy should I
need it.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:57 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> if you get the aluminum duct tape,, available at hvac (heating vent air
> conditioning) locations... cut to fit, pull the backing and it stays put
> well and looks good.
>
> boyd young
>
>
> Folks:
>
> Thanks for all the recommendations.
>
> I like Boyd's idea of aluminum duct tape. It is light, can die cut enough
> to cover the holes, and should not affect balance.
>
> Darn mud daubers are a pain in the butt. They have several places around
> the cylinder bases on the crank case they love to build homes. On top of
> that, where they build their homes is difficult to access and remove.
>
> Clear, sunny, and cold. Still too cold to fly comfortably, unless I get
> serious, get out the Chillie Vest and long drawers.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Kolb Mk IIIC
582 Gray head
4.00 C gearbox
3 blade WD
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable
to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
- G.K. Chesterton
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912 Idle |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
Boyd,
Sorry,After reading my first post it sounded like an accessory that bolted
on .It's a procedure using this equipment.I thought my Jabiru was fairly sm
ooth,but I could feel the difference after we balanced the prop.
G.Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200A 600hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: b yIt's oung <by0ung(at)brigham.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 11:13 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 912 Idle
John,
web site for balancer is RPXTECH.com
G.Aman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Garry.... does the balancer change any between flights,,, and therefore
take a little time to rebalance upon start up... or is it quite stable be
tween flights.
boyd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re:non corrosive sealants |
John, If your hub has the small, 1" hole a plastic cap off a Blitz fuel can
fits perfectly. It's been in the hole of my trike's Power Fin for almost
three years now, weighs little and I always have a gas cap handy should I
need it.
Rick Girard
Rick G/Gang:
I have the large hole covered with a prop spinner. It is the unused bolt
holes exposed on the forward side of the prop hub that need plugging.
I need to pull the prop and extension, clean everything up good, then take
care of plugg/covering to prevent the little rascals from homesteading
again.
I also need to make a cover for the aft end of the tailboom. Probably out
of hardware cloth or screen wire. Something that is easy to slip on and
off. Probably end up with something that is two piece, protected with duct
tape to prevent scuffing up the paint when removed and installed each day I
fly.
After the rodents have gotten in and done their dirty deeds, it is too late.
All it takes is one trip in and they can destroy seat belts, shoulder
harness, seat covers, wiring, and plastic brake lines.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
> My battery is also corroded. I'll be saving up some more change to get my
replacement parts.
I have a feeling that many aircraft batteries are damaged by sulfation, and
may not really need replacement.
I stopped at a yard sale down my street a month or two ago. Bought a TV
stand (oak, nice!) and asked about a red-top battery sitting there. It
looked like it had been lightly used (but you can't really tell). The guy
told me it was no good, but I could have it if I wanted. Apart from the
$7.00 the recycler gives for batteries, I had different aspirations. I took
it home and put my battery rejuvenator on it. At first the battery would not
take a charge at all. Now it is taking and holding a charge. Not sure the %
capacity yet, haven't done more tests. Process not finished.
One of my 4x4 buddies had an expensive yellow-top that was new, but had sat
with no charge for some years. I put a rejuvenator on that, coupla months
later I gave him back a like new battery.
My cousin was moving and I was helping. He was going to leave a deep cycle
battery sitting there. I took it, rejuvenated it, and it works like new. It
had very few actual working hours on it, it was just sitting for a few years
with no charge that allowed the sulfur compound that was deposited on the
plates from solution during the discharge process to change form with time
into a form of sulfate that is much more stable and resistant to the
charging current. This builds up over time until you have no 'bare' plate
left to carry on the chemical reaction and produce current. There are
several ways to eliminate or discourage the formation of sulfate, but the
older methods are a little harsh on the battery and/or not suitable for
domestic life in the suburbs. Selected chemical bonds can be 'excited' by
certain frequencies of of.. uh.. excitation. The desulfators use spikes of
electricity that are safe for electronic circuits, yet 'ring' the molecule's
bonds (not sure which ones) at a harmonic frequency. So without a huge
current, out-gassing, adding water, or any hassle one can safely re-claim
certain batteries. This won't help a worn out battery, a damaged battery,
shorted, with warped plates, etc, but a good battery that has simply been
allowed to sit discharged is a good candidate.
I used to go to a motorcycle shop that threw away a lot of batteries. They
sit too long in crates, on ships, on the floor, etc. I have a buncha good
batteries for my various projects and vehicles. I have- uh, twelve pieces of
equipment around here, including my vehicles, that use batteries. My diesel
PU and 5th-wheel each use two batteries.
The rejuvenators cost between $25-$75 on-line.
My setup:
I have 100 watts of photovoltaic on my RV. Most of the time the RV is
parked. I attach the bad battery to the charging circuit. I attach the 12v
powered rejuvenator to the battery also. I let the mix work for a month or
so. The manufacturer of the device says that doing it this way is the
fastest way to fix a battery. It charges during the day, and the rejuvenator
is said to operate on one plate, then at night the rejuvenator operates on
the opposite plate, living off the residual charge in the battery. Thus both
polarity of plates get whacked.
They have these circuits in many RV power supplies now, stock.
GeoB
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| Subject: | Re:non corrosive sealants |
| From: | zeprep251(at)aol.com |
John,
A lot of cold air and exhaust fumes blew up my tail boom,so I made a plug o
f 6" thick foam rubber, 7"in diameter with 4 slits cut for the cables at 12
,6.10 and 2 o'clock approx,placed it about a foot up the pipe.Seems to work
OK. Cut it on a band saw.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:non corrosive sealants
John, If your hub has the small, 1" hole a plastic cap off a Blitz fuel ca
n fits perfectly. It's been in the hole of my trike's Power Fin for almost
three years now, weighs little and I always have a gas cap handy should I n
eed it.
Rick Girard
Rick G/Gang:
I have the large hole covered with a prop spinner. It is the unused bolt h
oles exposed on the forward side of the prop hub that need plugging.
I need to pull the prop and extension, clean everything up good, then take
care of plugg/covering to prevent the little rascals from homesteading agai
n.
I also need to make a cover for the aft end of the tailboom. Probably out
of hardware cloth or screen wire. Something that is easy to slip on and of
f. Probably end up with something that is two piece, protected with duct t
ape to prevent scuffing up the paint when removed and installed each day I
fly.
After the rodents have gotten in and done their dirty deeds, it is too late
. All it takes is one trip in and they can destroy seat belts, shoulder ha
rness, seat covers, wiring, and plastic brake lines.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re:non corrosive sealants |
John,
A lot of cold air and exhaust fumes blew up my tail boom,so I made a plug of
6" thick foam rubber, 7"in diameter with 4 slits cut for the cables at
12,6.10 and 2 o'clock approx,placed it about a foot up the pipe.Seems to
work OK. Cut it on a band saw.
G.Aman
Gary A/Folks:
That may be a good idea. No telling what is being blown up the tailboom and
into the cockpit.
The important thing for me is to insure the rodents won't chew through the
foam to get into the cockpit.
I have to be careful. I do not want to trap condensation, rain water, etc.,
inside the tailboom (a very intergral part of the aircraft).
Need to do something positive though, before the rodents start looking for
new nesting areas.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re:non corrosive sealants |
John=2C
Regarding rodents=2C etc. Try putting a "mothball" puck (toilet bowl han
ger) in
vulnerable areas. If you are concerned about the puck harming any surround
ing airplane
parts=2C make a little basket for it to sit on out of aluminum foil.
Be sure to list them on your pre-flight inspection=2C to remove them and
set aside
during flights. I would think three ought to do it. Your experience may v
ary.
No self-respecting mud dauber=2C or mouse=2C rat=2C squirrel=2C chicken
=2C etc=2C could stand
the fumes! Guaranteed to last 90 days=2C depending on use....they say.
Might be worth a try=2C supposedly works for deer in your garden=2C altho
ugh I can't
say if it's true or not.
Awhile back=2C I was walking in my shop=2C when across the front of my ey
es flew a
small "wasp" looking insect. It was really small=2C missed me by about 4".
I turned
my head to watch were it was headed. It landed on the open fuel line to my
GEO
engine (which was disconnected so that I could remove the engine). Then it
proceeded
to walk inside the fuel line!! Evidently=2C it had a nice nest going on in
side the fuel line.
I disconnected the fuel line completely=2C and removed it altogether!!!
I have since
replaced it with automotive high pressure rubber fuel hose....with a filter
!!
Mike Welch
MkIII
From: jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:non corrosive sealants
Date: Mon=2C 6 Dec 2010 21:25:40 -0600
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