Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-lu
August 02, 2011 - August 18, 2011
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:05 AM, David Kulp wrote:
>
>>
>> Subject: Re: History of Kolb aircraft
>> From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Great Post and new to me. Homer's early design seemed a fish
>> out of water
>> in the early years of the ultra lite movement. But his three axis
>> control set
>> him apart from some of the weight shift death traps of the early
>> days.
>>
>> Hello Kolbers,
>>
>> I don't get some attachments so I don't know if this has been included in
>> the thread.
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the ultralight movement began in
>> the '80s when
>> they began hanging engines on hang gliders, hence the wight shift models.
>> However,
>> as you can see in the attached photo, Homer was building real three axis
>> "ultralights"
>> about 30 years before they existed.
>>
>> This photo is from '56 which puts Homer in his early 20s. The aircraft
>> was powered
>> by 4 chainsaw engines. This is early history of the fine aircraft we are
>> fortunate
>> enough to fly.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dave Kulp
>> Bethlehem, PA
>> FireFly 11DMK
>>
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> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
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> - Groucho Marx
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: New Owner, Enlighten me please |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Thanks so much !
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: History of Kolb aircraft |
At 01:43 PM 8/2/2011, robert bean wrote:
>Maybe one of you guyz who did fly these early kits can tell me why you
>would have spent as much money on one as a real
>airplane. ???? I might have bought one but the economics looked like a
>bad deal.
The 'dacs weren't bad planes if flown within their limitations. They were
way overpowered with a Cuyuna engine (they could exceed Vne in level
flight!), but that must've made them a blast to fly (I never flew one, but
a friend of mine remembers his fondly). Yes, I bought my old T-Craft back
then for about what a new Quicksilver cost, but the picture might have been
different if I didn't already have my pilot certificate.
It's all about what kind of flying you want to do. Even today, a new PPG
costs as much or more than a used fixed wing ultralight, but PPGs are
probably outselling fixed wing ultralights by 10 to 1 or more. As a PPG
pilot also, I understand why.
-Dana
--
Stupidity got us into this mess... why can't it get us out?
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| Subject: | Re: New Owner, Enlighten me please |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Dennis Thate wrote:
> Thanks so much !
The A&P a total stranger to me , was very impressed by my complete paper work history
trail and documentation and the excellent condition of my Firestar II and
my experience level and agreed to inspect and sign me off.
Thanks Again All !
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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| From: | Jack <pcarillonsr(at)neo.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
Thought the list might be interested in checking Arty's blog on her
trip back from Oshkosh . Late in the day yesterday she had a power
faliure in her 582 and had to put down in a Barley field. Arty is ok
but not so for her plane.
Also check her Spot Tracker
http://www.lessonsfromtheedge.com/oshkosh/
Jack Carillon Akron oh FSII
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| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
| From: | "Kip" <klaurie(at)mindspring.com> |
Well, that's too bad.
Glad that she is alright. Just another chapter of an exciting life...
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2000 Firestar II
R503 DCDI
VLS 750
2010 Waiex
Jabiru 3300
20?? Pitts Special S-1C
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| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Thanks for the message Jack. Arty may not be flying a Kolb but she is still a
member of the club IMO.
Engines can quit on anyone. Lots of experience in that category. Regarding the
flaps, if it was going to flip,
the flaps wouldn't have made any difference. It is a matter of drag, tail weight
percentage and stance.
My last power out was in alfalfa which has extremely high drag. I haven't tried
tall corn yet. :)
I tipped to my nose and slid a few feet and the tail plopped back down. My pitot
got wiped off the bottom of the nose.
I give some credit to my extended nose in preventing a flip but the heavy tail
no doubt helped.
I'm not sure whether I did or did not pull the flap handle.
BB
On 4, Aug 2011, at 12:26 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> Thought the list might be interested in checking Arty's blog on her trip back
from Oshkosh . Late in the day yesterday she had a power faliure in her 582
and had to put down in a Barley field. Arty is ok but not so for her plane.
>
> Also check her Spot Tracker
>
>
> http://www.lessonsfromtheedge.com/oshkosh/
>
> Jack Carillon Akron oh FSII
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>
>
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
Just a bit of a cautionary note is in order here. If you read Arty's
account of the incident, you will hear how she did or did not do things
that could have helped the outcome. I have been in that situation twice
and both times I went into "auto pilot" wherein I was concentrating so
hard on just landing and flying the airplane that I completely shut down
my ability to think. Now both times it worked out more or less. I mean I
didn't do a Stall and crash nose first into the ground, but there were
things that I could have done to lessen the damage to the plane. The
important part of what I am trying to say is that I stopped thinking.
Apparently from Arty's narrative, she did as well.
The first time I had an engine out, (spark plug cap popped off a 447) I
had 500 feet to plan. There was a spot that was possible right in front
of me. My engine was running on one spark plug. No lift there, but there
was forward propulsion with the engine running. I never shut the engine
off! I did not slow it down to just above a stall and plop it in! I came
in actually quite hot, so that I wouldn't stall. Why? Not thinking! As
it was I hit a rock with the left gear, sheared it off, stuck the nose
into the ground, flipped the plane. That cost me a prop strike, and a
IVO blade. (the engine was still turning) Electrical system was still
hot. Gas was dripping down behind me. Thankfully no fire, but all the
right things were set up so that there could have been. Thanks to
Homer's design, no injury other than a sprained middle finger.
The second incident I managed to get away with, through no help of my
own. I had installed a Hacman fuel leaning system on my new HKS. It
works great, but you have to remember to shut it off or enrichen it when
you start descending or your engine will lean so much that it stops. ( I
didn't have the EIS warning set to a low enough temp to warn me before
it shut off) I was coming in for short final on my slightly uphill
cross wind strip. The engine quit at about 250 feet above the ground, it
was too far from the strip to make. I knew that with the VG's on the
plane that I could make a turn at the speed that I was flying. I cranked
it hard about, and began gliding on a bit of a down hill to an open spot
in the sage. I cleared the last Sage by about 2 inches and rolled to a
safe stop. In actuality it was amazing that I was able to do that at all
and again thanks to Homer. Alls well, right? Well actually what should
have happened as soon as I got lined up for my off field landing is that
I should have shut off the Hackman, and restarted the motor. I didn't
even try. Auto pilot again.
I checked Arty's spot page to see where she put down. Now there is no
way that I am going to second guess Arty's decisions to land where she
did. I wasn't there, and from past performances, I might not have done
as well. The photo of that area may not be current, and the roads that
are shown on the photo may not even be in existence now. The point I am
trying to make is that in an emergency, your body is preprogrammed for
survival. If you have not practiced what you should do in an emergency,
such as shut off your engine and electrical system, (fire prevention.
Master switch off) pulled flaps to slow, or side slipped to make the
right spot. you will blissfully go into auto pilot, only to say
afterwards, if there is one, "Why didn't I do this or that"
All of us have practiced some engine out or dead stick landings, or
should have. I am sure that all of us remember when the engine quits,
nose down to regain flying speed. I am also sure that that is about the
extent of the exercise. There is more to surviving the landing with
minimal damage to either yourself or the plane. I will sacrifice the
plane if that is necessary, but I would just as soon not have any damage
if possible. You need to remember that your brain needs to be trained to
respond correctly in an emergency situation, and you need to go through
all the steps, not just the first one. You need to remember if you do
try to restart, to shut off the throttle if the engine stopped, as it
won't restart at the same throttle setting that it quit at. You need to
decide if you are going to land in high grass or whatever foliage, what
speed would serve you best. You need to look at every thing, perhaps
there is a service road, any set of tracks is better than unimproved.
All I am saying is - if you fully plan for an emergency, all the steps,
all the likely incidents, farm field, tree's, populated areas, water,
from beginning to full stop, You have a much better chance of coming out
a lot better than if you do not. As John H said today, " If you keep
flying, it is not if you are going to have an engine out, it is when".
Larry
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----- Original Message -----
From: robert bean
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
Thanks for the message Jack. Arty may not be flying a Kolb but she is
still a member of the club IMO.
Engines can quit on anyone. Lots of experience in that category.
Regarding the flaps, if it was going to flip,
the flaps wouldn't have made any difference. It is a matter of drag,
tail weight percentage and stance.
My last power out was in alfalfa which has extremely high drag. I
haven't tried tall corn yet. :)
I tipped to my nose and slid a few feet and the tail plopped back
down. My pitot got wiped off the bottom of the nose.
I give some credit to my extended nose in preventing a flip but the
heavy tail no doubt helped.
I'm not sure whether I did or did not pull the flap handle.
BB
On 4, Aug 2011, at 12:26 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> Thought the list might be interested in checking Arty's blog on her
trip back from Oshkosh . Late in the day yesterday she had a power
faliure in her 582 and had to put down in a Barley field. Arty is ok
but not so for her plane.
>
> Also check her Spot Tracker
>
>
> http://www.lessonsfromtheedge.com/oshkosh/
>
> Jack Carillon Akron oh FSII
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Good Job Arty
Good Landing - One you can walk away from
Excellent Landing - One you can walk away from, and use the same airplane within
24 hours after landing.
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
| From: | "Mic" <miceire(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you Larry for relating your experience and insight. Emergency procedures
is just a form of spring training for pilots. Nothing like being prepared and
a little luck along the way as well. I watched the Youtube video of an F16
dead stick landing just last week; had to watch it a few times. Thank you again.
All the best to the Wandering Wench too.
Michael
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"Gods are fragile things, they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose
of common sense." - Chapman Cohen
"God is my favorite fictional character" - Homer Simpson
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| Subject: | Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. |
| From: | "thumbs" <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com> |
I am looking for a place to keep and fly my Firestar II. I live in Souderton Pa.
Thats close to Quakertown. If anyone has or knows of a field with hanger
space I would appreciate it if you would let me know.
I lost my old field due to development.
thanks for the help
Gary
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| Subject: | Reinventing the Wheel |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
http://www.flixxy.com/airplane-flies-like-a-bird.htm
You are going to love this !
:)
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
http://vimeo.com/27361845
I just got my new Tachyon XC HD micro camera yesterday. I made a short
flight last evening to see what the picture quality is like. I did make
some of the clips pretty short, trying to keep the size down for upload.
First test is hopeful. It took me on my Baud rate about 60 minutes to
upload this, not that much more than for the other camera.
Larry
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| From: | Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Larry,
I just tried to view your video on my iPhone and it took
Me to the right page and shied me a still shot but had circle with a hash ma
rk thru it indicating it would not play. So then went to a random vid
Thomo
(sent from iPhone 4)
On Aug 6, 2011, at 7:57 AM, "Larry Cottrell" wrote
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> http://vimeo.com/27361845
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> I just got my new Tachyon XC HD micro camera yesterday. I made a short fli
ght last evening to see what the picture quality is like. I did make some of
the clips pretty short, trying to keep the size down for upload. First test
is hopeful. It took me on my Baud rate about 60 minutes to upload this, not
that much more than for the other camera.
> Larry
> Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, whi
ch includes my email address.
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| From: | Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Oops. .... To a random video on vimeo and was able to view it. My question i
s this. What format is your video in? Does vimeo convert uploaded videos to t
heir own format (guessing not) or keep them in their native format. I have b
een ablest view your earlier videos on iPhone and iPad and my iMac.
Thom Riddle
(sent from iPhone 4)
On Aug 6, 2011, at 7:57 AM, "Larry Cottrell" wrote
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> http://vimeo.com/27361845
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> I just got my new Tachyon XC HD micro camera yesterday. I made a short fli
ght last evening to see what the picture quality is like. I did make some of
the clips pretty short, trying to keep the size down for upload. First test
is hopeful. It took me on my Baud rate about 60 minutes to upload this, not
that much more than for the other camera.
> Larry
> Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, whi
ch includes my email address.
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Larry
FWIW your vimeo came thru fine on my Mac. Impressive little camera!
Russ
On Aug 6, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> http://vimeo.com/27361845
>
> I just got my new Tachyon XC HD micro camera yesterday. I made a short flight
last evening to see what the picture quality is like. I did make some of the
clips pretty short, trying to keep the size down for upload. First test is hopeful.
It took me on my Baud rate about 60 minutes to upload this, not that much
more than for the other camera.
> Larry
> Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which
includes my email address.
>
>
>
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
I have a Tachyon OPS HD on order. Can't wait!
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Did you fast forward or speed up the movie in any way? It looks twice norma
l speed. What procedure did you use to unload from the cam to your computer
and then upload? What video editing software?
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Phil H.
--- On Sat, 8/6/11, wrote:
From:-
Subject: Kolb-List: HD video
Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 7:57 AM
http://vimeo.com/27361845
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I just got my new Tachyon XC HD micro camera yesterday. I made a short flig
ht last evening to see what the picture quality is like. I did make some of
the clips pretty short, trying to keep the size down for upload. First tes
t is hopeful. It took me on my Baud rate about 60 minutes to upload this, n
ot that much more than for the other camera.
Larry
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h includes my email address.-
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. |
**
I am looking for a place to keep and fly my Firestar II. I live in Souderton
Pa.
Thats close to Quakertown. If anyone has or knows of a field with hanger
space I would appreciate it if you would let me know.
I lost my old field due to development.
thanks for the help
Hi Gary,
I guess how far you must drive depends upon a number of circumstances, but there
is hangar
space where I have my FF. The address, if you'd like to Google maps it, is 910
Engler Rd.,
Nazareth 18064. From Google's marker at the curve in Engler Rd., two drives elbow
SW, one
to the hangars and the other to the owner's house.
If you're familiar with 191 just N of the exit from 33, it forks right and goes
past the
SP barracks and Nicos Polymers plant where the 30 alarm fire was last week. If
you look to the
right on the top of the hill from there you can see the hangars.
When I lived in Lansdale and had my UltraStar I had a barn and strip in Elroy,
about 3 miles
from my house. It's not a strip any more, but was that neat!!
There are private strips around Quakertown, too, but I don't know exactly where
or availability.
Good luck!
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
The color of the new camera is quite good, much better than any other
that I have tried. The pause or shake I think is due to a card that
isn't fast enough. The one that I paid through the nose for was a class
6. I will be looking for a class 10 or higher and I think that will
stop. If you buy one of these cameras get your card from Amazon or
somewhere else. About half the price. It takes a Micro card by the way.
Sometimes on Vimeo, you get a message that there was a problem. That is
due to the web site rather than the movie. Just close it out and click
it again.
The movies that come out of the camera works fine without any conversion
on Windows Movie Maker that comes on almost all computers. Cannot speak
for Mac. I have to admit that I was cranking right along with my speed.
This was an evening flight and there is still some quite unstable air in
the evenings, so I was flying at max cruise. If I am going to hit a dust
devil in the grass fields, ( no dust) I want to be in and out as fast as
I can get. To edit the movies, just plug in the video card to the
computer and import it to Movie Maker, then you are ready to edit. Now
there is a provision in the program to set up the way that the movie is
saved for transmission to You Tube or Vimeo. The required information is
available on line, not sure where at the moment.
They are making a smaller version of a helmet cam that is about 2 1/2
x1x1 for the same price, but it isn't out until sometime in late Aug. I
am not sure if there is any advantage to a smaller version, and it may
be harder to mount. My old one had a remote with it, but the new one
does not.
Larry
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| From: | "Mic" <miceire(at)gmail.com> |
Larry, FWIW, I just viewed your video on my PC without a hitch. The HD quality
is just great. Thanks for posting it. So, for my 2 cents, take as many videos
as you like and I'll be watching for sure.
Michael
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"Gods are fragile things, they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose
of common sense." - Chapman Cohen
"God is my favorite fictional character" - Homer Simpson
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
Newegg has great prices. Delivery takes 4 days. I bought an 8GB (14.99) and
a 16GB (24.99) - both are Class 10, come with HD adapters and had free S/H
when purchased. Here are links:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208569
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211519
I tested these by copying and then reading back several hundred MB of large
data files (typical for video work). Both can write up to 9.5 MB/sec and r
ead 16.5 MB/sec. Haven't actually used them yet - Tachyon hasn't sent me my
new OPS HD cam yet ("Coming This August"). Whaaaaaahhh!
Phil H.
--- On Sat, 8/6/11, Larry Cottrell wrote:
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Video
Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 1:15 PM
The color of the new camera is quite good, much better than any other that
I have tried. The pause or shake I think is due to a card that isn't fast e
nough. The one that I paid through the nose for was a class 6. I will be lo
oking for a class 10 or higher and I think that will stop. If you buy one o
f these cameras get your card from Amazon or somewhere else. About half the
price. It takes a Micro card by the way.
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Sometimes on Vimeo, you get a message that there was a problem. That is due
to the web site rather than the movie. Just close it out and click it agai
n.
-
The movies that come out of the camera works fine without any conversion on
Windows Movie Maker that comes on almost all computers. Cannot speak for M
ac. I have to admit that I was cranking right along with my speed. This was
an evening flight and there is still some quite unstable air in the evenin
gs, so I was flying at max cruise. If I am going to hit a dust devil in the
grass fields, ( no dust) I want to be in and out as fast as I can get. To
edit the movies, just plug in the video card to the computer and import it
to Movie Maker, then you are ready to edit. Now there is a provision in the
program to set up the way that the movie is saved for transmission to You
Tube or Vimeo. The required information is available on line, not sure wher
e at the moment.
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They are making a smaller version of a helmet cam that is about 2 1/2 x1x1
for the same price, but it isn't out until sometime in late Aug. I am not s
ure if there is any advantage to a smaller version, and it may be harder to
mount. My old one had a remote with it, but the new one does not.
Larry
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| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Larry,
I was at the hangar this morning when I tried to view your video on my iPhone and
it did not work. I am home now and tried it on my iPad and it worked fine.
I then tried it again on the iPhone and it still did not work. Since I upgraded
the op sys on the iPhone last week but not yet done so on my iPad, I suspect
my problem is localized to my newest op sys.
Great video quality! Flying close to the ground as you were doing in this video,
makes 65-70 mph look like over a hundred if you are used to flying above 500'
agl.
As always, thanks for your great videos.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| From: | Gary Thacker <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. |
Dave PM sent
Gary
Souderton=2C Pa.
Date: Sat=2C 6 Aug 2011 13:12:19 -0400
From: undoctor(at)ptd.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton
Pa.
I am looking for a place to keep and fly my Firestar II. I live in S
ouderton Pa.
Thats close to Quakertown. If anyone has or knows of a field with ha
nger
space I would appreciate it if you would let me know.
I lost my old field due to development.
thanks for the help
Hi Gary=2C
I guess how far you must drive depends upon a number of circumstances=2C bu
t there is hangar
space where I have my FF. The address=2C if you'd like to Google maps it
=2C is 910 Engler Rd.=2C
Nazareth 18064. From Google's marker at the curve in Engler Rd.=2C two dri
ves elbow SW=2C one
to the hangars and the other to the owner's house.
If you're familiar with 191 just N of the exit from 33=2C it forks right an
d goes past the
SP barracks and Nicos Polymers plant where the 30 alarm fire was last week.
If you look to the
right on the top of the hill from there you can see the hangars.
When I lived in Lansdale and had my UltraStar I had a barn and strip in Elr
oy=2C about 3 miles
from my house. It's not a strip any more=2C but was that neat!!
There are private strips around Quakertown=2C too=2C but I don't know exact
ly where or availability.
Good luck!
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem=2C PA
FireFly 11DMK
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| From: | Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
Mic,
This is The Kolb list.
Please keep your comments "KOLB" relevant , or at least aviation
related, and keep your theological comments out of here.
There are other forums where the presentation of theological
philosophies are deemed appropriate. Here they unequivocally are not.
I'd love to discuss theological philosophies with you elsewhere,
Respectfully,
Gene Zimmerman
On Aug 5, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Mic wrote:
> "Gods are fragile things, they may be killed by a whiff of
science or a dose of common sense." - Chapman Cohen
>
> "God is my favorite fictional character" - Homer Simpson
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
Amen to that man=0A=0A-=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pil
ot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight &
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
=0A=0A=0AMic, =0A=0AThis is The Kolb list.-=0APlease keep your comments
-"KOLB" relevant , or at least aviation related, - and keep your theolo
gical comments out of here.=0AThere are other forums where the presentation
of theological philosophies are deemed appropriate. Here they unequivocall
y -are not.=0A=0AI'd love to discuss-theological philosophies-with yo
u elsewhere,=0A=0ARespectfully,-=0AGene Zimmerman=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 5, 20
11, at 8:20 PM, Mic wrote:=0A=0A"Gods are fragile things, they may be
killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense." - Chapman Coh
en=0A>=0A>"God is my favorite fictional character" - Homer Simpso
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| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I could not agree more ! Lets keep this about flying. Politics & Religion ruin
every forum.
Sport Aviation/Two Cycle Engines are a big enough leap of Faith for me.
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
if you are used to flying above 500' agl.>>
That's interesting. What height agl do you guys usually fly? You always seem
to give your heights above sea level but the fact that you are at 10,000feet
doesn`t really mean much.
I flew for an hour last night. Almost no wind and the air was smooth.
Climbed out to about 1000ft.. Backed off the throttle as CHT`s were
climbing. Cruise is usually 2600rpm which gives about 70mph. Climbed to
1500ft to sniff around a couple of hot air balloons. They took pictures.
Dropped a bit lower to take a look at a farm strip with a couple of planes
on it. Watched one take off and followed him for a while.Climbed with him to
around 2000ft.
Wandered off to look at a large quarry hole. Got a slight bump from a last
lingering thermal coming off the hot stone face. This reminded me of landing
out in my glider many many years ago when I failed to find a thermal coming
from the same source. Flew hands off. Slight tendency to bank left. Nose
dropped gently until the vario showed 2knots down and then it rose slowly
and then repeated. Not self correcting so had to fly her again. About 15
miles from my strip at that point at 1700 ft agl so turned for home.
Throttled back and began to slide downhill until close to the strip.
Dropped to around 1000ft, No one else about. Straight in approach. Throttle
back, 50 mph, First stage of flap. A bit high, Second stage flap. She drops
comfortably into the slot. 500ft Back to first stage flap. 350ft Throttle
back a bit, Speed a little high, nose up a touch. Close throttle and nudge
the nose down a shade as we drift over the hedge. Taxy in, push her into the
hangar. Put the covers on and close up the hangar. Wife turns up and we go
to a local pub for a couple of pints and a steak..End of a perfect flight.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
| From: | "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com> |
Come on folks, let's not get too hung up about these small suffix comments added
to the end of some posts. As long as they don't take over the post (like this
one is perilously close to doing). I find them a interesting enough, not offensive,
and often quite amusing adding a bit of spice to life and I usually get
a smile on my face after noting them.
Enjoy life, and safe flying.
David.
Do not achieve
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| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Pat,
Depends upon where you live/fly. In western NY, we have to be careful of altitude
for both legal and safety reasons. There is a lot of agricultural area here
outside the cities but also lots of small towns and residences with precious
little undeveloped area except for forests. The FAA says no closer than 500' from
any person, structure or vehicle and 1,000' above "congested" areas is the
normal minimum, except on departure and approach.
Where Larry lives and flies, I suspect there are few if any mobile/cell towers
or other tall structures that could snag him and few people, vehicles or structures
which would require 500' clearance to stay legal. Certainly no areas that
the most liberal interpretation would be called "congested". BTW, the FAA does
not define "congested area" but in court, sometimes the interpretation has
been as few as 3 houses in close proximity to each other, or so I've heard. I
have no intention of finding out the hard way. When flying on the Lake Erie or
Lake Ontario shoreline (off shore a bit) I am comfortable getting down to 100'
agl or sometimes a bit less. A sudden unexpected sneeze at 20' agl could ruin
the flight.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Sounds like the end of a perfect day, not just a perfect flight -- your wife is
a gem; to pick you up & feed you steak & a pint!
Tell her I said so
Your CHT's normally climb that much in a climb?
FWIW I usually fly at 500-1000 AGL because I Iike to look around, and take pictures.
We must maintain 1000' over 'populated areas'
fair winds,
Russ
On Aug 7, 2011, at 6:52 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
>
> if you are used to flying above 500' agl.>>
>
> That's interesting. What height agl do you guys usually fly? You always seem
to give your heights above sea level but the fact that you are at 10,000feet doesn`t
really mean much.
> I flew for an hour last night. Almost no wind and the air was smooth. Climbed
out to about 1000ft.. Backed off the throttle as CHT`s were climbing. Cruise
is usually 2600rpm which gives about 70mph. Climbed to 1500ft to sniff around
a couple of hot air balloons. They took pictures.
> Dropped a bit lower to take a look at a farm strip with a couple of planes on
it. Watched one take off and followed him for a while.Climbed with him to around
2000ft.
> Wandered off to look at a large quarry hole. Got a slight bump from a last lingering
thermal coming off the hot stone face. This reminded me of landing out
in my glider many many years ago when I failed to find a thermal coming from
the same source. Flew hands off. Slight tendency to bank left. Nose dropped gently
until the vario showed 2knots down and then it rose slowly and then repeated.
Not self correcting so had to fly her again. About 15 miles from my strip
at that point at 1700 ft agl so turned for home. Throttled back and began to
slide downhill until close to the strip. Dropped to around 1000ft, No one else
about. Straight in approach. Throttle back, 50 mph, First stage of flap. A
bit high, Second stage flap. She drops comfortably into the slot. 500ft Back to
first stage flap. 350ft Throttle back a bit, Speed a little high, nose up a
touch. Close throttle and nudge the nose down a shade as we drift over the hedge.
Taxy in, push her into the hangar. Put the covers on and close up the hangar.
Wife turns up and we go to a local pub for a couple of pints and a steak..End
of a perfect flight.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
| From: | "Mic" <miceire(at)gmail.com> |
This is my one and only, first and last comment on this matter.
I am a member of this forum because of my enthusiasm for airplanes and flying them.
And, hopefully, to learn and one day share my experiences of building and
flying a Kolb MKIII. My few comments to date have been relevant and pertinent
to the aviation topic presented, and shall remain so. I suggest others would
do well to do the same. My signature, however, like yours, is a personal matter
and is not open for discussion in this forum.
This short thread directed at me and my personal signature is, I dare say, inappropriate.
Especially due to the fact that it hijacked the serious discussion
about Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing. Come on now, you gotta
be kidding.
Oh, and BTW, I had the food fortune of seeing Phil the Gorilla numerous times as
a small boy and thought he was a magnificent creature then and I remain impressed
today.
Stay focused and fly safely ya'll
--------
"Gods are fragile things, they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose
of common sense." - Chapman Cohen
"God is my favorite fictional character" - Homer Simpson
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| Subject: | Re: New Owner, Enlighten me please |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I did receive this e-mail and am wondering if this is the consensus here ?
" "I would like to recommend that you find a Rotax Expert to do a tear down, inspection,
decarb and reseal. The recommended useful life of the engine seals
are 6 yrs.. you can lose an engine easily to a blown seal besides,,
useful life of the engine seals are 6 yrs.. ???
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
| From: | "Kirkds" <kirkds(at)dishmail.net> |
Oh the pro christian comments are ok here I've noticed over the years.
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| From: | "pete" <lhaggerty(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
Sure, why not? Pete
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From: "Kirkds" <kirkds(at)dishmail.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 4:19 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
>
> Oh the pro christian comments are ok here I've noticed over the years.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348837#348837
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>
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>
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>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Since it is obvious that we have several fairly new listers who are planning to
be blatent in using their signatures to put down people of faith, I am sure that
in the interest of keeping things fair and balanced that no one will mind
me adding Scripture verses to my signature, and changing them on a fairly regular
basis. After all, I was a pastor long before I was on the Kolb list (starting
years ago) and while I have never done anything like that before, if that
is the way the folks on the list want to play, I'm in!
On the other hand, if no one wants the list to go that way, maybe the anti-faith
guys could back down and knock if off. And that works just fine for me.
Mic - Dennis - The ball is in your court. Do we level the playing field or do we
knock off the gratuitous insults toward believers?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
PS: Do you like my sample?
--------
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen." - Hebrews 11:1
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| From: | "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
Kolb enthusiasts,
I think everyone would agree that if it were not for Homer Kolb, this list
would not exist because Kolb airplanes would not exist.
If Homer were alive to read the anti-God sentiments associated with the Kolb
list, he would at least be very saddened. I can understand that religious
comments can pop up now and then, but I have a little more difficult
understanding why someone would feel the need to make such comments a 24-7
integral part of their signature. Homer was building airplanes before I
came along, but we started the business together and worked together for 20
years, so I know how he would have felt about this.
This is a forum for Kolb aircraft - if anyone feels a pressing need to talk
about God, Eugene has already offered to discuss off-line and I know there
are many others too who don't feel they need to link their comments about
stall speed, for instance, to their views concerning the existence of a
deity.
However if the list deems such personal conviction-signatures relevant to
the Kolb discussions, then perhaps we all should express the things most
pressing on our hearts.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mic
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 1:38 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
This is my one and only, first and last comment on this matter.
I am a member of this forum because of my enthusiasm for airplanes and
flying them. And, hopefully, to learn and one day share my experiences of
building and flying a Kolb MKIII. My few comments to date have been relevant
and pertinent to the aviation topic presented, and shall remain so. I
suggest others would do well to do the same. My signature, however, like
yours, is a personal matter and is not open for discussion in this forum.
This short thread directed at me and my personal signature is, I dare say,
inappropriate. Especially due to the fact that it hijacked the serious
discussion about Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing. Come on now,
you gotta be kidding.
Oh, and BTW, I had the food fortune of seeing Phil the Gorilla numerous
times as a small boy and thought he was a magnificent creature then and I
remain impressed today.
Stay focused and fly safely ya'll
--------
"Gods are fragile things, they may be killed by a whiff of science or a
dose of common sense." - Chapman Cohen
"God is my favorite fictional character" - Homer Simpson
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| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Since we're going to have a discussion in which there can be no winner,
could we at least not drag Arty's name into it and have it under a different
subject line? Or better yet, is there a more suitable forum somewhere else?
Rick Girard
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> Since it is obvious that we have several fairly new listers who are
> planning to be blatent in using their signatures to put down people of
> faith, I am sure that in the interest of keeping things fair and balanced
> that no one will mind me adding Scripture verses to my signature, and
> changing them on a fairly regular basis. After all, I was a pastor long
> before I was on the Kolb list (starting years ago) and while I have never
> done anything like that before, if that is the way the folks on the list
> want to play, I'm in!
>
> On the other hand, if no one wants the list to go that way, maybe the
> anti-faith guys could back down and knock if off. And that works just fine
> for me.
>
> Mic - Dennis - The ball is in your court. Do we level the playing field or
> do we knock off the gratuitous insults toward believers?
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> PS: Do you like my sample?
>
> --------
> "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of
> things not seen." - Hebrews 11:1
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348847#348847
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
That is my windsock, it's covered in insecticide. There is an amazing amount of
aerial corn spraying going on in the Midwest this season. I HOPE & PRAY that
junk doesn't kill us all with insidious rare diseases.
The human race is challenged more than ever before to demonstrate our mastery -
not over nature but of ourselves
~ Rachel Carson
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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| From: | "Beauford " <beauford173(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
Kolbers:
Here is a fresh approach...
What do you say we just follow the Matronics guidelines for this List and
limit what we post or "sign" on here
to precisely what 'ol Matt Dralle says WILL appear on here....?
i.e., Civil words about Kolb airplanes and Kolb-related aviation topics.
Nothing more.
It has worked pretty well (with just a few ego-fueled exceptions- who are
all List past history now...) since I got on here in 1999.
Just a thought.
Worth what ye paid fer it.
Beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:38 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: olympic torch virus/facebook |
FWIW --
>
>>
>> Subject: olympic torch virus/facebook
>> PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS NOTICE TO YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, CONTACTS! In
the coming days, you should be aware: Do not open any message with an
attachment called: Invitation FACEBOOK, regardless of who send it. It is
a virus that opens an Olympic torch that burns the whole hard disc C of
your computer. This virus will be received from someone you had in your
address book .. That's why you should send this message to all your
contacts. It is better to receive this email 25 times than to receive
the virus and open it .. If you receive a mail called: Invitation
FACEBOOK, though sent by a friend, do not open it and delete it
immediately. It is the worst virus announced by CNN. A new virus has
been discovered recently that has been classified by Microsoft as the
most destructive virus ever. And there is no repair yet for this kind of
virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disc,
where the vital information of their function is saved. I had this sent
to me from another domain so thought i would pass it on thanks
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Arty Trost The Wandering Wench Forced Landing |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
beauford wrote:
> Kolbers:
> Here is a fresh approach...
> What do you say we just follow the Matronics guidelines for this List and
> limit what we post or "sign" on here to precisely what 'ol Matt Dralle says WILL
appear on here....? i.e., Civil words about Kolb airplanes and Kolb-related
aviation topics.
> Nothing more.
> It has worked pretty well (with just a few ego-fueled exceptions- who are all
List past history now...) since I got on here in 1999.
> Just a thought.
> Worth what ye paid fer it.
> Beauford
> FF-076
> Brandon, FL
> --
Works for me. But we'll see...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
your wife is a gem; to pick you up & feed you steak & a pint!>
Aint it de trooth! Aint it de trooth?
Pat
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
<>
Hi Thom,
that would describe my area and the Flight Rules are the same. Fields are
probably smaller than yours but there is usually something big enough to get
into when it all goes quiet.
Pat
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| From: | Stephen Spence <sspence801(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: olympic torch virus/facebook |
see:- =0A=0Ahttp://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/i/invitation.htm=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com>
=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, August 7, 2011 7:25:41 PM=0ASub
ject: Kolb-List: Fwd: olympic torch virus/facebook=0A=0AFWIW --=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A>=0A>=0A>>Subject: olympic torch virus/facebook=0A>>=0A>>PLEASE CIRCULAT
E THIS NOTICE TO YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, CONTACTS! In the coming =0A>>days, y
ou should be aware: -Do not open any message with an attachment called:
=0A>>Invitation FACEBOOK, regardless of who send it. It is a virus that ope
ns an =0A>>Olympic torch that burns the whole hard disc C of your computer.
This virus will =0A>>be received from someone you had in your address book
.. That's why you should =0A>>send this message to all your contacts. It i
s better to receive this email 25 =0A>>times than to receive the virus and
open it .. If you receive a mail called: =0A>>Invitation FACEBOOK, though s
ent by a friend, do not open it and delete it =0A>>immediately. It is the w
orst virus announced by CNN. A new virus has been =0A>>discovered recently
that has been classified by Microsoft as the most =0A>>destructive virus ev
er. And there is no repair yet for this kind of virus. This =0A>>virus simp
ly destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disc, where the vital =0A>>informat
ion of their function is saved. -I-had this sent to me from another =0A
>>domain so thought i would pass it on thanks =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 |
I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray and the
color coat (Nevada Silver) this week. Anyone else use this silver?
The number of UV cross coats can be less, right? I think I will use two cross
coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone.
Any thoughts anyone?
So good to see the VW pioneer Rick Neilsen and Craig Spoke at EAA. Looking forward
to Naugua Fly-in.
Bob G.
Kolb MKIIIX, GPAS VW Conversion w re-drive.
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: olympic torch virus/facebook |
List, I apologize for (apparently) sounding a false alarm in re computer
viri. I was led to believe it was real.
But what meathead(s) would spend their time constructing things like
that? There are some sick puppies out here.
Anyway, sorry bout that
Russ K
On Aug 8, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Stephen Spence wrote:
> see:
> http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/i/invitation.htm
> From: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, August 7, 2011 7:25:41 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: olympic torch virus/facebook
>
> FWIW --
>
>>
>>>
>>> Subject: olympic torch virus/facebook
>>> PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS NOTICE TO YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, CONTACTS! In
the coming days, you should be aware: Do not open any message with an
attachment called: Invitation FACEBOOK, regardless of who send it. It is
a virus that opens an Olympic torch that burns the whole hard disc C of
your computer. This virus will be received from someone you had in your
address book .. That's why you should send this message to all your
contacts. It is better to receive this email 25 times than to receive
the virus and open it .. If you receive a mail called: Invitation
FACEBOOK, though sent by a friend, do not open it and delete it
immediately. It is the worst virus announced by CNN. A new virus has
been discovered recently that has been classified by Microsoft as the
most destructive virus ever. And there is no repair yet for this kind of
virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disc,
where the vital information of their function is saved. I had this sent
to me from another domain so thought i would pass it on thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 |
Bob,
One thing I noticed on my Cessna, which sat on the ramp most of it's life, was
how much the TOP of the wings and upper surfaces showed fading, oxidation, and
weathering in general. Direct sunlight is BRUTAL!!! However, the undersides
of everything else, even though the paint job was 8+ years old, looked pristine,
had no oxidation at all, and otherwise 'good as new'.
So!!! Considering the underside of your plane (and mine) will virtually never
see direct sunlight, I only used one layer of Poly Spray on the underside of
the wings. On my spraying job, I found I could STILL see a little bit of daylight
with the two top coats of Poly Spray, so I opted to go ahead and spray three
of the Poly Spray on the topside surfaces only, and IIRC, I used two coats
of Glacier White on the entire plane.
Therefore, I would say I ended up with three 'top coats' of Poly Spray, and one
underside coat. Everywhere then got two color coats of white. Since it's
a hellava lot of work and money to recover the wings, I don't think I'd be inclined
to skimp on the sunblocking Poly Spray. Maybe that's just me.
FWIW, Mike
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 |
I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray and
the color coat (Nevada Silver) this week. Anyone else use this silver?
The number of UV cross coats can be less, right? I think I will use two
cross coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone.
Any thoughts anyone?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
the reason for the silver is to stop the uv from destroying the fabric,,,,
the book says 3 cross coats will stop the uv. if you use 2 cross coats of
silver,, you may not stop all the uv.
boyd young
mkiii utah
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
I think you will be ok with your plan. The silver color coat will reflect well.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
On 8, Aug 2011, at 10:27 AM, b young wrote:
>
>
> I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray and
the color coat (Nevada Silver) this week. Anyone else use this silver?
> The number of UV cross coats can be less, right? I think I will use two cross
coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone.
> Any thoughts anyone?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> the reason for the silver is to stop the uv from destroying the fabric,,,, the
book says 3 cross coats will stop the uv. if you use 2 cross coats of silver,,
you may not stop all the uv.
>
> boyd young
> mkiii utah
>
>
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>
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| From: | "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind
of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying
to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922
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| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
in 30 + years of GA flying I have never experienced an engine failure in a Continental
or Lycoming Engine .
The 6 Key Reasons for Rotax 503 Sudden Engine Stoppage:
1. Fuel Filter Clogged
2. Alcohol in Gasoline
3. Old Fuel
4. Inadvertent Mixture Leaning at Idle
5. Engine Warm Up and Shock Cooling
6. Air Filter Clogged
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
I've never had an engine-out, but I've spent many flights practicing dead-s
ticks. Find a familiar field, cut the engine, and practice. I've also pract
iced restarts; my pull-cord was accessible from the cockpit.
During a dead-stick it is critical that you fly the plane onto the ground.
No three-point attempts, no flaring, until the last foot or two or three, w
hen you're in ground effect and the bump, if any, will be minimal.
And as others have said... don't think; just do. :)
Phil H.
Twinstar + Rotax 503, 1989
--- On Mon, 8/8/11, Ozarkflyer wrote:
From: Ozarkflyer <lragan(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Engine out
Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 11:36 AM
Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure?- Wha
t kind of aircraft and engine?- Expand on your reply if you wish, but I w
as just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922
le, List Admin.
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
I had so far about 8 of them. Only one in a real "engine" a licensed Rolls Royce
no less, Continental O-200 over at Caanes France back in the 80's the motor
was about 900 hrs past TBO so should not have been a surprise for me. I was a
low time pilot and the Riems Cessna -150 I was flying was my first airplane, I
it bought off of an Aero Club in Shwabich Hall Germany. Didn't know anything
about TBO's or cared just wanted to go fly. Got educated real quick about the
mechanicals.
The other ones were in Ultralights, most were in a Brigs and Stratton direct drive
motors, in fact it became routine to have one or both of those little things
conk out, so I never ventured away from the airport. I had an engine out a
couple of years ago in a Cuyana 430 due to primer pump break admitting air into
the system. All in all no injuries or damage.
I think statistically speaking I should not have another engine failure in the
next 300 years or so, or conversely a claim can be made that due to my luck or
lack of it,,,, .
Ron @ KFHU
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---- Ozarkflyer wrote:
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Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind
of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying
to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922
--
kugelair.com
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| From: | Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Larry,
Yes, a friend and I were departing in his friend's Cherokee, on our way to Golden
West Airshow. The Cherokee was just out of annual the day before, and we
didn't notice that one of the quick-drain fuel checkers was cocked open (but
the fuel selector was shut off, so we didn't know). When he turned on the fuel
supply, sitting in the plane, we didn't see the fuel pouring out the cocked
open quick-drain.
We taxi'ed out to the run-up area, throttled up to 1700, did the mag checks,
etc, and thought we were 'good to go'. (partial engine run-up was only enough
suction to HALT the fuel drainage, not suck up air from the open drain valve)
Upon lining up for departure and going full throttle, we didn't realize at that
point we had plenty of engine suction to now start sucking in air into that
open quick-drain. We managed to get airborne, maybe about 150' up, and climbing.
At this point, about 60% of the runway is behind us. All of a sudden,
that great big air bubble trailing the fuel from the strainer, which was now empty,
caused the engine to go into "pure idle". The throttle had zero effect.
The engine did not die, it just went to idle, providing no power.
Immediately, after looking at each with that "WTH??" look on our faces, he lowered
the nose to land it with what little runway was left. We came to stop pretty
close to the end of the runway. The engine never did die, it was still
idling, and had enough power to taxi back to the hangar....leaving a trail of
still dripping fuel all the way.
Once he pulled up to the hangar, and shut the engine off, we jumped out to see
what was wrong. There it was, a line of fuel pouring out of the quick-drain
valve, under the engine cowling. I bent down to see why we had fuel pouring
out from under the engine, and there it was!! The drain valve plunger was cock-eyed.
A simple plunge in, and it dropped back in place correctly, stopping
the fuel flow.
FIVE seconds. FIVE MEASLY LITTLE SECONDS, and Dennis and I would have been
landing in a shopping center....guaranteed!! (with a drain valve stuck open,
pouring out fuel)
Moral; Make sure you have checked and secured ALL fuel drainage points.
Mike Welch
lucky to have lived to tell the story!
On Aug 8, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote:
>
> Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind
of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying
to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 11:36 AM 8/8/2011, Ozarkflyer wrote:
>
>Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What
>kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was
>just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
Two in a certified engine (Contentinental A-65 in a Taylorcraft): One due
to contaminated fuel, and one due to the engine swallowing a valve seat on
takeoff. Got it down without damage in both cases.
Three with the Cuyuna engine in my UltraStar: One I believe to have been
carburetor ice, two were apparently a bad carburetor float needle causing
the engine to flood. In the first two the engine quit but I was able to
restart; in the third it never actually quit but was delivering very little
power; just as I was getting committed to an off airport landing the power
came back.
Several more in PPGs, but that hardly counts...
-Dana
--
Newton's Seventeenth Law of American Life: For every action, there is an
unequal and moronic overreaction.
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
I just had a loss of power, but not a total failure of my Rotax 503 Titan T
ornado.=C2- The issue was a loose fuel line.=C2- Clamps solved the prob
lem ( my bad).=C2- I had a fouled plug on an earlier 503 Kolb MKII a few
years ago also.=C2- And a local flyer had a failure on a MKIII because th
e impluse line to the fuel pump deteriorated.
Malcolm Morrison
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From: "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 11:36:33 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Engine out
Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? =C2-
What kind of aircraft and engine? =C2-Expand on your reply if you wish, b
ut I was just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Bob
Great to meet you. I sprayed the silver UV coating two on the top (sunny
side) and one coat underside on my plane then tried to spray Red. Did not
work well. Learned later that I should have sprayed a white coat then red.
Your results may vary depending on your color.
Rick Neilsen
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Bob Green wrote:
>
> I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray
> and the color coat (Nevada Silver) this week. Anyone else use this silver?
> The number of UV cross coats can be less, right? I think I will use two
> cross coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone.
> Any thoughts anyone?
>
> So good to see the VW pioneer Rick Neilsen and Craig Spoke at EAA. Looking
> forward to Naugua Fly-in.
>
> Bob G.
> Kolb MKIIIX, GPAS VW Conversion w re-drive.
>
>
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| From: | Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
I had a partial engine out on a Rotax 377, powered, Quicksilver MX in
the late 80`s. I could not maintain level flight, but had enough
power to choose a mowed hay field. The flapper valve in the fuel pump
folded under itself, which cut my fuel flow in half. No damage upon
landing. Also had a 210 Solo seize on a Paraplane in 1983. With one
engine still running I was able to make it to a grass field in front
of my house. (about five miles from Numidia airport, from whenst I
had come) And pushed it home. That was caused by the carburetor
needle settings changing while in flight, due to vibration. When I
called the people at Paraplane, they said that wasn`t possible.
However, about a month later they sent a letter, telling everyone, to
zip tie the needles together so they didn`t move in flight. Go
figure! Lanny N598LF
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| Subject: | Know before You Go/ Costly Embarrassment |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Know before You Go/ Costly Embarrassment
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44037919/ns/us_news/?gt1=43001
Notams
http://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/notams_tfr/media/tfrweb.pdf
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political
organization.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Bob, Read Appendix A of the Poly Fiber manual. Nevada Silver, Rancho Silver,
and Piper Trainer Blue have all the aluminum powder in them that Poly Spray
has and you don't need to use Poly Spray at all.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote:
> Bob
>
> Great to meet you. I sprayed the silver UV coating two on the top (sunny
> side) and one coat underside on my plane then tried to spray Red. Did not
> work well. Learned later that I should have sprayed a white coat then red.
> Your results may vary depending on your color.
>
> Rick Neilsen
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Bob Green wrote:
>
>>
>> I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray
>> and the color coat (Nevada Silver) this week. Anyone else use this silver?
>> The number of UV cross coats can be less, right? I think I will use two
>> cross coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone.
>> Any thoughts anyone?
>>
>> So good to see the VW pioneer Rick Neilsen and Craig Spoke at EAA.
>> Looking forward to Naugua Fly-in.
>>
>> Bob G.
>> Kolb MKIIIX, GPAS VW Conversion w re-drive.
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- Groucho Marx
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
suffered an engine-out failure?>>
Not an engine failure but the same effect.
I had the toothed drive band which connected the engine to the prop in my
Challenger shed its teeth on two occasions.
The unloaded engine screaming its head off until I killed it and the prop
windmilling uselessly.
Put her down, borrowed some tools from the farmer whose land I was on,
replaced the belt and flew home.
Pat
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| From: | Duane Ransdell <radiobluebook(at)gmail.com> |
I have had five unplanned landings, but none in a Kolb. All were with the
same Rotax 277 and three were heat related due to improper jetting. Fourth
was pilot error because I was showing off and didn't do a thorough
preflight. (Air in the fuel line.) The fifth time was not a full engine out,
but it would not develope more than 4000 rpms in the air. I'm still don't
know the cause of that one. It is in dry storage and I've lost interest in
the project.
Why do you ask?
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
there was an exchange on the list a short while ago about the limiting
speed for applying flap.
Just checking for something else among my paperwork and I came across
the Operating Limitations for my Xtra issued by the authority which
clears each plane for flight in this country.
This gives
Maximum indicated Airspeed: 95mpg
Maximum indicated Airspeed with Flaps extended: 60mph
For what its worth.
Pat
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
I don't think you mean GA aircraft, but I've had two. One Continental, one Lycoming.
Both in Cessna 170.
Russ K
On Aug 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote:
>
> Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind
of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying
to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Mike
When/if we ever meet, please shake my hand. Mebbe some of your luck will rub off!
Fair winds,
Russ K
On Aug 8, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Michael Welch wrote:
>
> Larry,
>
> Yes, a friend and I were departing in his friend's Cherokee, on our way to Golden
West Airshow. The Cherokee was just out of annual the day before, and we
didn't notice that one of the quick-drain fuel checkers was cocked open (but
the fuel selector was shut off, so we didn't know). When he turned on the fuel
supply, sitting in the plane, we didn't see the fuel pouring out the cocked
open quick-drain.
>
> We taxi'ed out to the run-up area, throttled up to 1700, did the mag checks,
etc, and thought we were 'good to go'. (partial engine run-up was only enough
suction to HALT the fuel drainage, not suck up air from the open drain valve)
>
> Upon lining up for departure and going full throttle, we didn't realize at that
point we had plenty of engine suction to now start sucking in air into that
open quick-drain. We managed to get airborne, maybe about 150' up, and climbing.
At this point, about 60% of the runway is behind us. All of a sudden,
that great big air bubble trailing the fuel from the strainer, which was now
empty, caused the engine to go into "pure idle". The throttle had zero effect.
The engine did not die, it just went to idle, providing no power.
>
> Immediately, after looking at each with that "WTH??" look on our faces, he lowered
the nose to land it with what little runway was left. We came to stop
pretty close to the end of the runway. The engine never did die, it was still
idling, and had enough power to taxi back to the hangar....leaving a trail of
still dripping fuel all the way.
>
> Once he pulled up to the hangar, and shut the engine off, we jumped out to see
what was wrong. There it was, a line of fuel pouring out of the quick-drain
valve, under the engine cowling. I bent down to see why we had fuel pouring
out from under the engine, and there it was!! The drain valve plunger was cock-eyed.
A simple plunge in, and it dropped back in place correctly, stopping
the fuel flow.
>
> FIVE seconds. FIVE MEASLY LITTLE SECONDS, and Dennis and I would have been
landing in a shopping center....guaranteed!! (with a drain valve stuck open,
pouring out fuel)
>
> Moral; Make sure you have checked and secured ALL fuel drainage points.
>
> Mike Welch
> lucky to have lived to tell the story!
>
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> On Aug 8, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote:
>
>>
>> Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind
of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just
trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
>>
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922
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| From: | "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Any type of a.c.
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Russ=2C
=2C I'd be proud to=2C but I don't know about the luck rubbing off stuff.
If I was
so lucky=2C how come I flew that ultralight into the dirt once? Man=2C tha
t hurt like....!!
Mike W
> Mike
> When/if we ever meet=2C please shake my hand. Mebbe some of your luck wil
l rub off!
> Fair winds=2C
> Russ K
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
forgot to gas up?
heh heh heh
BB
On 8, Aug 2011, at 5:24 PM, russ kinne wrote:
>
> I don't think you mean GA aircraft, but I've had two. One Continental, one Lycoming.
Both in Cessna 170.
> Russ K
>
> On Aug 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote:
>
>>
>> Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What kind
of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just
trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | FireFly & MZ 34 Progress |
Kolbers,
The new belt sheave and modified propeller hub have been mounted. Several
attempts to run the engine at speed with the tail tied to the pickup were
terminated when the belt became slack. When I torqued up the clamping bolt
to spec. the problem went away. With the 2.6 ratio, there is no problem of
getting the engine up to speed. Flew for 27 minutes with the engine running
flat out, with the EGT at 1,250 and CHT at 400 degrees F. Calculated fuel
burn was 2.2 gph. Very hot and humid day. Engine quit on taxi in due to
carburetor ice. Did not get good air speeds as my old GPS did not find
enough satellites during the flight to register.
Took the carburetor off and brought it home to modify. Added a static air
pressure port to the carburetor bore just behind the air filter attachment
ring. Since I am running low hp, I want to test to see which air filter
provides the lowest air pressure drop when the engine is at speed. Loss of
air pressure at the point of the carburetor is due to the air accelerating
through the propeller. This may not be much of a problem with a larger
engine, but with a smaller engine it is important to recover as much of the
pressure as possible.
With the FireFly tied to the pickup, I will test the round cylindrical foam
air filter that came with the engine, and the K&N under three conditions.
Since I have encased the filter in a scoop, I will run it with the scoop
opening plane parallel to the air flow followed by rotating the scoop 90
degrees into the air flow while on the ground. Then I will again take data
with the scoop forward while in flight. I expect to pick up several inches
of water increased pressure.
In an attempt to counter the ice build up at low engine speeds during high
humidity conditions, I have drilled and tapped a hole to 8-1.25 mm thd in
the boss on the bottom of the carburetor next to the mounting flange. I
will be inserting a 20 watt heater that I obtained from KTMtwins.com.
Should get the carburetor back on tomorrow or the next day.
To be sure the engine is pointing in the right direction at cruise, I
designed a little adjustable level that is attached to the left longeron,
just back of the throttle. It will let me discover when I am in level
flight by being able to center the bubble. Then once on the ground the tail
of the FireFly can be elevated so that bubble can be returned to level
flight position. Then with a digital level, the aoa and the propeller
vertical plane of rotation can be measured. If the latter is off, one can
washer the mounts until the propeller in dead on. If you would like to see
the device, it can be found at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly163.html
Still lots to do. When I get time, I will put up the new carburetor and
belt reducer mods.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Mike
The fact you're still talking indicates luck for me!
Russ K
On Aug 8, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Mike Welch wrote:
> Russ,
>
> , I'd be proud to, but I don't know about the luck rubbing off stuff. If I was
> so lucky, how come I flew that ultralight into the dirt once? Man, that hurt
like....!!
>
> Mike W
>
>
> > Mike
> > When/if we ever meet, please shake my hand. Mebbe some of your luck will rub
off!
> > Fair winds,
> > Russ K
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
BB
No, I've got plenty of gas. Roommates sometimes have said too much.
Russ K
haw haw haw
On Aug 8, 2011, at 5:53 PM, robert bean wrote:
>
> forgot to gas up?
>
> heh heh heh
> BB
>
> On 8, Aug 2011, at 5:24 PM, russ kinne wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't think you mean GA aircraft, but I've had two. One Continental, one Lycoming.
Both in Cessna 170.
>> Russ K
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What
kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just
trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
>>>
>>>
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| From: | Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress |
Jack,
Following your continuing efforts to get better efficiency from your
Firfly is always a treat. I like the guitar string gearbox.... great
idea!
Thom
On Aug 8, 2011, at 5:57 PM, "Jack B. Hart" wrote:
>
> Kolbers,
>
> The new belt sheave and modified propeller hub have been mounted. Several
> attempts to run the engine at speed with the tail tied to the pickup were
> terminated when the belt became slack. When I torqued up the clamping bolt
> to spec. the problem went away. With the 2.6 ratio, there is no problem of
> getting the engine up to speed. Flew for 27 minutes with the engine running
> flat out, with the EGT at 1,250 and CHT at 400 degrees F. Calculated fuel
> burn was 2.2 gph. Very hot and humid day. Engine quit on taxi in due to
> carburetor ice. Did not get good air speeds as my old GPS did not find
> enough satellites during the flight to register.
>
> Took the carburetor off and brought it home to modify. Added a static air
> pressure port to the carburetor bore just behind the air filter attachment
> ring. Since I am running low hp, I want to test to see which air filter
> provides the lowest air pressure drop when the engine is at speed. Loss of
> air pressure at the point of the carburetor is due to the air accelerating
> through the propeller. This may not be much of a problem with a larger
> engine, but with a smaller engine it is important to recover as much of the
> pressure as possible.
>
> With the FireFly tied to the pickup, I will test the round cylindrical foam
> air filter that came with the engine, and the K&N under three conditions.
> Since I have encased the filter in a scoop, I will run it with the scoop
> opening plane parallel to the air flow followed by rotating the scoop 90
> degrees into the air flow while on the ground. Then I will again take data
> with the scoop forward while in flight. I expect to pick up several inches
> of water increased pressure.
>
> In an attempt to counter the ice build up at low engine speeds during high
> humidity conditions, I have drilled and tapped a hole to 8-1.25 mm thd in
> the boss on the bottom of the carburetor next to the mounting flange. I
> will be inserting a 20 watt heater that I obtained from KTMtwins.com.
>
> Should get the carburetor back on tomorrow or the next day.
>
> To be sure the engine is pointing in the right direction at cruise, I
> designed a little adjustable level that is attached to the left longeron,
> just back of the throttle. It will let me discover when I am in level
> flight by being able to center the bubble. Then once on the ground the tail
> of the FireFly can be elevated so that bubble can be returned to level
> flight position. Then with a digital level, the aoa and the propeller
> vertical plane of rotation can be measured. If the latter is off, one can
> washer the mounts until the propeller in dead on. If you would like to see
> the device, it can be found at:
>
> http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly163.html
>
> Still lots to do. When I get time, I will put up the new carburetor and
> belt reducer mods.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
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| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
I had one in a Vector with a 377 Rotax running fine the clutch assembly
failed internal Totaled plane in the woods 2nd one Throttle cable snaped
on 447 Rotax running fine in a firestar on take off in a short strip Got
it down but damaged one gear leg 3nd one 582 rotax running fine also in
a Mk3 Classic the propeller failed in flight again in the woods and total
ed airplane
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine out
BB
o, I've got plenty of gas. Roommates sometimes have said too much.
uss K
aw haw haw
On Aug 8, 2011, at 5:53 PM, robert bean wrote:
forgot to gas up?
heh heh heh
BB
On 8, Aug 2011, at 5:24 PM, russ kinne wrote:
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> I don't think you mean GA aircraft, but I've had two. One Continental,
one
ycoming. Both in Cessna 170.
> Russ K
>
> On Aug 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Jack, since I do not know the exact arrangement of your ram induction air into
the filter, maybe I am off the mark, but it occurs to me that when you ram air
into a carb with a float bowl, it changes the air pressure of the float level
and fuel level within the float bowl, have you taken into account that the ram
effect can alter the float bowl pressure affecting the fuel level/induction
into the manifold?
Just asking - probably you have. Thanks for your studious and precise experiments.
Richard Pike
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11 |
Page 94 of the Poly Fiber manual Rev 21 says:
"If you can live with a silver or blue plane, skip the three cross-coats of
PolySpray and use three coats of 220M Nevada Silver, 222M Rancho Silver or
318M Piper Trainer Blue top coat paint. These three colors have the same a
luminum pigment as PolySpray and will give your ultralight fabric full UV p
rotection."
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What is not clear to me is whether they need to be cross-coats (six total),
or finish coats (three total)? I would give the distributor a call; they s
hould be happy to help. Let us know what they say.
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I imagine a max of three cross-coats of anything-UV is quite enough. And si
nce you would apply only three, make it three of your finish color, and don
't apply any PolySpray at all.
Are you weighing your plane before and after painting? It would be interest
ing to know the weight of the paint. In fact, I plan to weigh all throughou
t the construction of my plane (when I finally get it) so I'll know weights
of just about everything.
Phil H.
--- On Mon, 8/8/11, Bob Green wrote:
From: Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org>
Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 08/07/11
Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 9:54 AM
I am planning to do the final spraying of my Kolb fabric with Poly-spray an
d the color coat (Nevada Silver) this week.- Anyone else use this silver?
The number of UV cross coats can be less, right?- I think I will use two
cross coats of Poly-spray and two cross coats of Poly-tone.
Any thoughts anyone?
So good to see the VW pioneer Rick Neilsen and Craig Spoke at EAA.- Looki
ng forward to Naugua Fly-in.
Bob G.
Kolb MKIIIX, GPAS VW Conversion w re-drive.
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Ordering parts from Kolb |
| From: | "thumbs" <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com> |
I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their sight. I have
tried both customer support and travis's email. All the emails I have tried
come back not deliverable. How do you get emails to Kolb?
I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers for my FirestarII.
Thanks for the help
Gary
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ordering parts from Kolb |
- Gary- Travis Brown's personal e-mail is tb40ford(at)roadrunner.com
I think you used the old contact info, which I don't have handy.- Travis
can give you the info.
--- On Mon, 8/8/11, thumbs wrote:
From: thumbs <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb
Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 8:22 PM
I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their sight.-
I have tried both customer support and travis's email.- All the emails I
have tried come back not deliverable.- How do you get emails to Kolb?
I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers for my
FirestarII.
Thanks for the help
Gary
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348985#348985
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Ordering parts from Kolb |
| From: | "thumbs" <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com> |
Ok thanks. I probably am using old info. Anyway the email you gave me is different.
I'll give it a try.
thanks
Gary
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ordering parts from Kolb |
It's all standard aircraft hardware, which you can get from outfits like
Aircraft Spruce.
-Dana
At 08:22 PM 8/8/2011, thumbs wrote:
>
>I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their
>sight. I have tried both customer support and travis's email. All the
>emails I have tried come back not deliverable. How do you get emails to Kolb?
>
>I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers for
>my FirestarII.
--
Cause of crash: Inadvertent contact with the ground.
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
>
>Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What
kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was
just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
>
?,
One Rotax 447 engine seizure on wide open climb out, due to carbon build up
below the rings even though I was using a super oil. Turned 180 and made it
back to with in 100 yards of the airport in a bean field. Had at least two
carburetor ice induced power losses. One while flying at altitude at very
low power in humid conditions. Limped five miles back to the airport in a
low power glide. Ice thawed out at lower altitude and I was able to make a
normal landing. The second time was on take off from a wet grass strip after
a prolonged warm up in a long take off queue. Lost full power at about 200
feet. Dropped the nose and kicked it around hard and landed down wind on the
strip.
(1) Vibration damper ring on the Victor 1+ mount failed and dropped the ring
off the flywheel and it wedged between the flywheel and flywheel cover. I
was flying the FireFly from southeast Missouri to Winchester, Indiana.
Fortunately it happened on engine start up at Executive Airport north of
Indianapolis. Removed damper ring, replaced flywheel cover, and continued
running the engine without it. (2) Lost power after take off from
Winchester, Indiana when the throttle cable became disconnected. Engine
dropped to idle. Landed in a corn field behind a house next to a main road.
Bent my first landing gear leg. Removed the wings, placed them on my pickup
and took them back to the hangar. Tied the tail wheel up in the back of the
pickup and towed the FireFly back. (3) While trying to land at Marion,
Indiana fly in, I could not merge with traffic. Crossed back over the
runway and made a right hand pattern to land on the taxiway. First attempt
failed when a Varieze failed to pass by the first ramp and taxied slowly. I
could not get down behind him. Initiated a go around at partial throttle.
On the second attempt engine quit due to ice. Bent right landing gear leg.
Restarted engine taxied on up parked and enjoyed the fly in. Later flew it
back to Winchester with no problems. (4) While a mile inside Ohio at 3,000
feet, the Victor 1+ ate a piston ring. A pin in the piston ring that
prevents the ring from rotating came out first and then the ring rotated
until a free end started to fall into the port. Finally it snagged and it
pulled and chopped the ring in to bits and hammered the bits into little
round balls that I found in the exhaust port. Glide to two miles back into
Indiana and then turned back to the east to land in a bean field close to a
farm building site. Repeated the same site to hangar process as before.
With both engines used Bing float carburetors and, I had multiple other
landings with dead engine after reducing the throttle on final approach.
All of them, I believe, were caused by ice. About a week ago, I had the MZ
34 with a pumper Tillotson carburetor quit on taxi in due to ice.
If you are going to fly with a two cycle engine, you must always assume
that the engine is going to quit upon landing. None of these engines
are supplied with carburetor heat or cockpit mixture controls. The ATV
and motorcycle engine manufacturers have recognized the problem and some
have made provisions for the addition of electrical heaters to prevent
ice build up around the low speed fuel flow orifices.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "dalewhelan" <dalewhelan(at)earthlink.net> |
2 on final
Loose intake manifold
Lean needle setting
1 on take off
Main jet loose (Result of talking while working)
1 on cross country
Old fuel line broke
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Dale Whelan
503 powered Firestar II
Projection, A simple and interesting Psychological concept
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
i have had eight total forced landings =0A1st cyuna 430 quick 1993 poorly a
justed throttle cable- 2ed hirth 2706 cgs hawk factory plane spit a spark
plug 3rd a year later burned up a piston in same plane at sun fun 4th a ye
ar later- the fly whell broke-off-a new-hirth 270 something-on th
e army hawk at sun fun. while training a pilot to fly the rear seat of a ho
rnet his hirth chewed up a belt we landed after noting hi temps on take off
but did not hurt the motor .-a couple years later i ran out of gass beco
use i lost track of time chassing hot air baloons at a- remax festival.
-then some-12 -years later just last month i burned up a rod in a 19
year 582 and landed nicely in a been field, -thats only one rotax engine
failure in over 700 hrs-the other forced landing was due to weather in a
quick-total damage to aircraft do to forced landings--- less than$1
00 cost to repair motor,s in the thousands,- -=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Br
ubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sa
ilmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022=0A=0AFrom: Ozarkfly
er =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, Augus
t 8, 2011 11:36 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Engine out=0A=0A--> Kolb-List mess
age posted by: "Ozarkflyer" =0A=0AJust curious....how m
any of you have suffered an engine-out failure?- What kind of aircraft an
d engine?- Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just trying to get
an idea of how many have experienced it.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onl
ine here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Four total, first one was a Zenoah G25 in a Kasperwing 180B. Engine spit out
the plug in the second spark plug hole. Even though I was right over the
runway at about 30 feet, I couldn't find it. Screwed a spark plug into the
hole and continued flying.
Second, fuel valve vibrated closed, same aircraft. Landed in a muddy field
just west of Arlington. Dragged the airplane over to a muddy road, used a
shoe lace to tie the valve open. Had to do a foot launch take off until the
plane picked me up (call it a waddling launch) to keep the wheels from
sticking in the mud.
Third, Kolb Mk IIIC with 582. Primer pump valve failed just after take off.
Landed, non event.
Fourth, Bad day at Black Rock.
Rick Girard
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
> i have had eight total forced landings
> 1st cyuna 430 quick 1993 poorly ajusted throttle cable 2ed hirth 2706 cgs
> hawk factory plane spit a spark plug 3rd a year later burned up a piston in
> same plane at sun fun 4th a year later the fly whell broke off a new hirth
> 270 something on the army hawk at sun fun. while training a pilot to fly the
> rear seat of a hornet his hirth chewed up a belt we landed after noting hi
> temps on take off but did not hurt the motor . a couple years later i ran
> out of gass becouse i lost track of time chassing hot air baloons at a
> remax festival. then some 12 years later just last month i burned up a rod
> in a 19 year 582 and landed nicely in a been field, thats only one rotax
> engine failure in over 700 hrs the other forced landing was due to weather
> in a quick total damage to aircraft do to forced landings less than$100
> cost to repair motor,s in the thousands,
>
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport
> (989)513-3022
> *From:* Ozarkflyer
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2011 11:36 AM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Engine out
>
>
> Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What
> kind of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was
> just trying to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348922#348922
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
May 30, 1980, Easy Riser, Mac 101, motor mounts bolts failed, made it to the home
strip before the engine fell off. (!)
August 30, 1980, Easy Riser, Mac 101, exhaust bolts failed, landed in a peanut
field, no damage, trailered home. (That sucker had some SERIOUS vibration problems)
Nov 6, 1984, Maxair Hummer, Rotax 277, lead balls formed on spark plug, landed
in a cow pasture w/o incident, replaced the plug & flew it home
1985, Maxair Hummer, Rotax 277, installed dual ignition, coil failed, ignition
problems, landed at a driving range, repaired it, flew it home
March 20, 1994, Maxair Hummer, Rotax 277, recoil starter spring failed, pull cable
came loose and destroyed the fan blade, engine continued running, flew to
nearest airport. Next day removed the fan and shroud and flew it home with free
air, ran fine
October 25, 1996, Kolb MKIII, Rotax 532, fuel pickup in the tank failed, landed
w/o incident in a pasture field, fixed it flew it home
Jan 2002, Kolb MKIII, 532, spun the rotary valve gear on the crank, rotary valve
went out of time, partial power, landed w/o incident at the strip I took off
from. Borrowed another 532 and flew it home a week later
July 15, 2003, Kolb MKIII, Rotax 582, oil line to injection pump got blocked, seized,
landed w/o incident at R/C plane strip, trailered home
July 5, 2007, Kolb MKIII, 582, main jet backed out, landed in a pasture w/o incident,
replaced jet, flew it out.
Fly it like you'll need to land it within the next 90 seconds and you'll never
have any problems you can't handle. Duane Cole made a video extolling that exact
same philosophy. If it worked for Duane, it's good enough for me.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of
yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
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| From: | "Kolb Aircraft" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ordering parts from Kolb |
Right on
Bottom lift Strut AN 395-17
Top lift Strut AN 395-29
wing AN 395-41
Aileron AN 394-29
Lower Tail AN3-13
Wing Nut AN350-1032
Travis
Kolb CO.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dana Hague
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb
It's all standard aircraft hardware, which you can get from outfits
like Aircraft Spruce.
-Dana
At 08:22 PM 8/8/2011, thumbs wrote:
I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their
sight. I have tried both customer support and travis's email. All the
emails I have tried come back not deliverable. How do you get emails to
Kolb?
I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers
for my FirestarII.
--
Cause of crash: Inadvertent contact with the ground.
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| From: | "Kolb Aircraft" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ordering parts from Kolb |
I forgot the safty pins. AN 416-1
but you can order from Spruce or any catalog which offers AN Hardware.
The only other thing is the AN 416-1 safety pin they sell is stainless
steel and I still have some regular steel plated ones.
Kind Regards
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Dana Hague
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb
It's all standard aircraft hardware, which you can get from outfits
like Aircraft Spruce.
-Dana
At 08:22 PM 8/8/2011, thumbs wrote:
I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their
sight. I have tried both customer support and travis's email. All the
emails I have tried come back not deliverable. How do you get emails to
Kolb?
I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers
for my FirestarII.
--
Cause of crash: Inadvertent contact with the ground.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ordering parts from Kolb |
| From: | "thumbs" <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com> |
That was fast, after I got the right email. Thanks Travis. And thanks for the
list replys.
Ok I'll ask the dumb question. What is the difference between the steel and stainless
safety pins. Is one better than the other? Obviously the stainless
will not rust. Is one more preferred than the other?
thanks
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
I've had two. First was in my tricycle Chicken Hawk w/277 Rotax when
the wings folded at about 1200' AGL (sans 'chute) and one of the struts
that went from the trailing edge of the wings to the tail section tore
free went thru the prop. The engine out was the least of my problems
that afternoon. Second was when the 430 Cuyuna in my UltraStar shut
off. Got to the athletic fields of a middle school OK, but didn't
realize the track was built out level with a very steep grade prior.
Got too low attempting to roll it out before hitting the side of the
bleachers, and crunched the top of the grade bending up the cage and
buckling the boom tube. Very little air time and no dead stick landing
practice back then.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem PA
FireFly 11DMK
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*From: * */"Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com <mailto:lragan(at)hotmail.com>>/*
Just curious....how many of you have suffered an engine-out failure? What
kind
of aircraft and engine? Expand on your reply if you wish, but I was just
trying
to get an idea of how many have experienced it.
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| From: | "Kolb Aircraft" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ordering parts from Kolb |
Not sure about the difference. I was told once the plated steel ones were
stronger but I don't know myself.
I do know the steel plated safety pins holds their shape better than the
Stainless Steel ones.
This would be a decision of the owner.
Travis
Kolb CO.
----- Original Message -----
From: "thumbs" <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ordering parts from Kolb
>
> That was fast, after I got the right email. Thanks Travis. And thanks
> for the list replys.
>
> Ok I'll ask the dumb question. What is the difference between the steel
> and stainless safety pins. Is one better than the other? Obviously the
> stainless will not rust. Is one more preferred than the other?
>
> thanks
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349018#349018
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>
>
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
<>
Richard,
thats not a signature, thats a posting. Knock it off please. You are on the
wrong list
Pat.
Pat
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| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
>
>
> Richard,
>
> thats not a signature, thats a posting. Knock it off please. You are on the
> wrong list
>
> Pat.
>
> Pat
I second that ! Please grow -up !
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political
organization.
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 08/08/11 |
Thank you gang (Rick & Phil) for replying to my inquiry concerning the poli
-spray and Nevada Silver.
Jim and Dondi of Aircraft technical Support, Inc had already answered my qu
estion about the UV poli-spray coats. You are right, the Nevada Silver has
the aluminum flakes (UV) in it too so less cross coats are in order. I as
sembled my MKIIIX before starting the fabric but did not weigh it. I will
not be able to weigh it again until after painting and assembly. I am very
impressed with the product and service (Poly-fiber process) provided by th
e Miller's.
I appreciate the quick response from you all.
Thank the Lord in 44 years of flying GA aircraft I have never experienced a
n engine failure.
Good to have a list of guys to help with building and flying Kolb aircraft.
What a great shot of John's plane... so far from LA. I'll be happy to ge
t to phase 1 AW certificate
Bob G
MKIIIX, GPAS VW redrive
N830PB
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| From: | "SS568" <david(at)PaulowniaTrees.com> |
This has been a very interesting thread. However it was previously posted and
I quote
The 6 Key Reasons for Rotax 503 Sudden Engine Stoppage:
1. Fuel Filter Clogged
2. Alcohol in Gasoline
3. Old Fuel
4. Inadvertent Mixture Leaning at Idle
5. Engine Warm Up and Shock Cooling
6. Air Filter Clogged
I believe all poster made no mention of the above causes. Although several made
mention of mixture screws moving??
Puzzled?
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> thats not a signature, thats a posting. Knock it off please. You are on the
> wrong list
> Pat.
> Pat
Pat, you had nothing to say when Mic put his atheism in his signature. Looks to
me like your bias is evident.
Meanwhile, thanks you Dennis Thate for changing your signature to something non-offensive.
And Pat - since the Word of God offends you, I will delete it from
my signature.
Unless - there are more postings by people with something in their signature that
ridicules believers, in which case I will once again start adding Scripture
to my signature. If you think that people of faith are supposed to sit meekly
by while being gratuitously insulted, you are living in a dream world. Police
the scoffers first rather than the believers, get the ones who started it to
knock it off, and then you won't have any thing to complain about.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
AMEN!
On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Dennis Thate wrote:
>
>
> pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> thats not a signature, thats a posting. Knock it off please. You are on the
>> wrong list
>>
>> Pat.
>>
>> Pat
>
>
> I second that ! Please grow -up !
>
> --------
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>
> Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political
organization.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349038#349038
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
I saw this the first time and added the list to my future checklist/inspect
ion instructions. A big thanks! - Phil H.
--- On Tue, 8/9/11, SS568 wrote:
From: SS568 <david(at)PaulowniaTrees.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine out
Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 12:56 PM
This has been a very interesting thread.---However it was previously
posted and I quote
The 6 Key Reasons for Rotax 503 Sudden Engine Stoppage:
1. Fuel Filter Clogged
2. Alcohol in Gasoline
3. Old Fuel
4. Inadvertent Mixture Leaning at Idle
5. Engine Warm Up and Shock Cooling
6. Air Filter Clogged
I believe all poster made no mention of the above causes. Although several
made mention of mixture screws moving??
Puzzled?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349040#349040
le, List Admin.
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
>
> I have had four forced landings. Three in a Weedhopper. One was prop bolts
> that got loose from temp/humidity changes. That Chotia 460 ran real smooth
> with no prop.
One was in my Kolb with a old version of Valley redrive. The redrive mount
cracked causing the belts to fall off. 800 miles to Oshkosh and back and I
got to about 8 miles from my home strip when it let go. They told me it
wasn't designed for anything but a wood prop. The new version is three
times stronger were I cracked it. The landing was uneventful in a bean
field. The landing roll was only about two feet after the tail snagged a row
of beans. I had over revved the engine before landing but nothing else was
damaged.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
That should have read they told me "up front" that it wasn't designed for
anything but a wood prop.
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote:
> I have had four forced landings. Three in a Weedhopper. One was prop bolts
>> that got loose from temp/humidity changes. That Chotia 460 ran real smooth
>> with no prop.
>
>
> One was in my Kolb with a old version of Valley redrive. The redrive mount
> cracked causing the belts to fall off. 800 miles to Oshkosh and back and I
> got to about 8 miles from my home strip when it let go. They told me it
> wasn't designed for anything but a wood prop. The new version is three
> times stronger were I cracked it. The landing was uneventful in a bean
> field. The landing roll was only about two feet after the tail snagged a row
> of beans. I had over revved the engine before landing but nothing else was
> damaged.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
I bought three of these - goes to 40Kg - dirt cheap and accurate:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180679350359
It takes 2-3 weeks (Hong Kong). I hooked all three together in series with my bench
vise and compared the readings. I decided to stop at 50lbs; they all read
within a couple of ounces of each other. If they really go to 88lbs, well, that's
awesome for a $4 investment.
I figure these will help me weigh the various pieces of my plane during construction,
even the engine (hang the engine in two places with a scale on each hook,
then combine the readings).
Phil H.
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| From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ordering parts from Kolb |
You can always reach TravIs @ 606-862-9692 or Bryan-@ 606-682-3388.=0A-
Frank Goodnight=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dana Ha
gue =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, Augu
st 8, 2011 8:00:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb=0A
=0AIt's all standard aircraft hardware, which you can get from outfits like
=0AAircraft Spruce.=0A=0A-Dana=0A=0AAt 08:22 PM 8/8/2011, thumbs wrote:=0A
>I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their sight.
- I have =0A>tried both customer support and travis's email.- All the e
mails I have tried =0A>come back not deliverable.- How do you get emails
to Kolb?=0A>=0A>I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins an
d keepers for my =0A>FirestarII.=0A=0A--=0ACause of crash: Inadvertent cont
=================== =0A
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| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Building scale |
Phil
Impressive! - but I hope you put on a safety strap, lest this $4 scale comes apart
when the engine is on it --
Russ K
On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Phil wrote:
> I bought three of these - goes to 40Kg - dirt cheap and accurate:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180679350359
>
> It takes 2-3 weeks (Hong Kong). I hooked all three together in series with my
bench vise and compared the readings. I decided to stop at 50lbs; they all read
within a couple of ounces of each other. If they really go to 88lbs, well,
that's awesome for a $4 investment.
>
> I figure these will help me weigh the various pieces of my plane during construction,
even the engine (hang the engine in two places with a scale on each hook,
then combine the readings).
>
> Phil H.
>
>
>
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Building scale |
That black strap on top of the scale, amazingly, supported 50lbs in my simple test;
I have no doubt it could support 88lbs. And yes, weighing an engine would
involve hanging the scales on some kind of yoke above the engine (that's resting
comfortably on the floor) and lowering it down to the engine to hook it up,
and then slowly pulling up on the scales, not lifting the engine and hanging
it on the scales.
--- On Tue, 8/9/11, russ kinne wrote:
From: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Building scale
Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 6:23 PM
Phil
Impressive! - but I hope you put on a safety strap, lest this $4 scale comes apart
when the engine is on it --
Russ K
On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Phil wrote:
I bought three of these - goes to 40Kg - dirt cheap and accurate:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180679350359
It takes 2-3 weeks (Hong Kong). I hooked all three together in series with my bench
vise and compared the readings. I decided to stop at 50lbs; they all read
within a couple of ounces of each other. If they really go to 88lbs, well, that's
awesome for a $4 investment.
I figure these will help me weigh the various pieces of my plane during construction,
even the engine (hang the engine in two places with a scale on each hook,
then combine the readings).
Phil H.
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| Subject: | condensation on carb |
| From: | "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net> |
I have almost 5 hours on my new to me Kolbra and enjoying every minute of it, however
I am starting to come into some questions I am hoping someone here will
be able to help me out with.
First, I will try to attach a picture but not sure if it will come thru or not,
but after flying over the weekend I noticed condensation on the carb. At first
I thought it was a gas leak but it did not taste or smell like gas. It was
almost 100 degrees outside with a relative humidity around 60%. Is this normal?
Have you ever noticed this before on yours with these conditions? If so,
makes me wary of flying in the winter due to carb ice.
Second, I have and EIS and jabiru 2200. The last time I flew there was a 70 degree
difference the in the CHT's ( 245 to 250 on one to 300 to 320 on the other)
Any ideas on where to check (all cables and connections are tight).
Third, Initially the RPMS have been pretty consitant but the last time I flew they
fluctuated quite a bit and never really settled down, fluctuations were usually
from 200 to 500 rpms.
Lastly, performance, I have a 2200 and a warp drive ground adjustable 58" prop
( i do not know what it is set at but will check shortly) I am only getting
about 650 fpm climb solo. I am getting 2860 to 2940 climb/WOT. I think I should
take out some pitch but not sure how much to take out, any recommendations?
Thanks in advance
Travis
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
http://vimeo.com/27508065
I received my class 10 video card yesterday, so a flight was in order to
check it out. I find that I didn't have enough foam padding, to be able
to screw it down tight enough that it didn't move, and keep the harmonic
wave out of it. After landing and checking it out, I redid the foam and
took another short flight. It appeared to be better. I will make a
longer test tomorrow. In the meantime here is a video of the results of
the lightning that we have been having.
Larry
No signature line needed, mine is long enough!
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
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| Subject: | Re: condensation on carb |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Travis,
The condensation on the carb is probably due the cold carb body (fuel evaporation
inside throat) and the relatively high moisture content in the hotter outside
air condensing on the colder surface. Just like on the outside of your iced
tea glass on a hot day. Does not mean you are having carb ice.
Assuming your engine is running properly and making power as it should, it appears
that you do need to reduce the pitch in your prop. At Vy and WOT you should
be seeing 3,000 rpm. The climb rate should improve somewhat with higher rpm
during climb. With over pitched prop on a 100 degree day you can't expect a very
high rate of climb with a direct drive engine. How much does your Kolbra weigh
empty and how much during your typical solo flight? Where are you located?
My rpms are steady (EIS). You should call Jabiru about this. They have been helpful
every time I've called.
All my CHTs are usually within 25-30 degrees of each other but it sometimes takes
some careful modifications of baffles in the air scoops to get this. Ask Jabiru
about this too.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: condensation on carb |
| From: | "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net> |
I just went and checked the prop pitch. It appears to be between 13 and 13.5 degrees
at the tip. (if I did it right).
Travis
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| Subject: | Re: condensation on carb |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Trvis,
forgot to mention that it would be helpful if you would reduce the size of your
photo attachments a bit before posting.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| From: | Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: condensation on carb |
Travis,
It is important to get both blades pitched as close to the same as
possible. 1/2 degree difference is not as close as they should be to
minimize vibrations.
Thom
On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:01 PM, "tkben002" wrote:
>
> I just went and checked the prop pitch. It appears to be between 13 and 13.5
degrees at the tip. (if I did it right).
>
> Travis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349066#349066
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: condensation on carb |
| From: | "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net> |
the kolbra empty is 580, and with me in it I am anywhere from 830 to 870 depending
on how much gas I have at the time.
The Cht probes are on cylinders 1 and 2 and I assumed those are the hottest cylinders
(which are yours on), the cht's on the previous flight were pretty close
to the same and the rpms were normal, just the last time everything fluctuated
quite a bit. I figured there was something loose (wire, etc) but I have been
unable to find it.
I have been taking my time trying to go over everything with the plane since it
is new to me, and trying to fine tune it the best I can.
Thanks,
Travis
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. |
| From: | "joepilot503" <joepilot503(at)hotmail.com> |
I'm from Story Wyoming and flying a original firestar, I seen the topic on the
hanger space and I know the address you posted. I've known Wilson Kessler since
1977. My dad Larry Stenger sold his 1939 J-3 cub to him in 1980. Does anyone
know how Mr Kessler is doing these days ? Does he still have the cub ?
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
http://vimeo.com/27511382
Here is the other part of my flight this morning. It will still have the
harmonics in it. I will make another tomorrow morning when I go to check
for cows for the neighbor. She lost about 30 of them, well misplaced
might be a better word.
I am hoping that a thicker pad will cure the problem, if not I may have
to go back to the nose for a mount. I really like it where it is as I
can turn it on and off while flying. The blue thingy is the sun
reflecting on the lens. I can try a shade, but sun is like the wind, one
way it is a pain, the other it is nice.
Larry
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| Subject: | Not Aviation Related...or is it ! |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
http://youtu.be/8QjZY3WiO9s
Think Engine Out on Climb Out
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political
organization.
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: The other one |
Larry,
I'm glad that you explained what the blue thingy was. Looked like a jelly
fish we have at the Jersey shore, Atlantic Ocean.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 8/9/2011 10:25:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com writes:
The blue thingy is the sun reflecting on the lens.
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| Subject: | Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
I carry, and I practice engine outs. What's your point? That people who carry are
not good at forced landings?
??
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: condensation on carb |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
It is impossible to figure out what you are trying to show. Use picture resizer
to get the picture to a manageable size.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! |
I believe his point was currency to completion....My biannual check rides
just verify that I lower the nose and point to a field...checks in sailplane
are for straight ahead for tow break until 200 feet. I think the the
thread has been essentially that many of us succeed in step one of the
emergency response but aren't really ready for the rest of the sequence.
Here in Arizona the brainiacks in the legislature eliminated any requirement
for training for concealed carry...meaning we have lots of guns..like 2 per
capita...every where you go but most carriers being clueless in a difficult
situation....like Gifford in Tucson. Thats why cops have that pesky
constant recurrent training/practice.... and aviators particularly of the 2
cycle variety probably should also....not for the gun... but the engine
out...
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:33 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it !
I carry, and I practice engine outs. What's your point? That people who
carry are not good at forced landings?
??
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com> |
> Thank the Lord in 44 years of flying GA aircraft I have never experienced an
engine failure.
"Good Grief Charlie Brown" you added something 'religious' into your post ! ! !
Guy's n Gal's What's the big deal ? Can you really expect people to eliminate part
of there life's experiences when posting ? It would have to be a ban on all
post script notes and not just related to one particular subject (which you
might call 'religion' but I call 'relationship'). And I for one, enjoy these little
post scripts, reflective of all aspects of life. Regardless of who they
come from. I agree with some, I disagree with others, but I enjoy them all. Some
time back I even wrote a small note off list to a Kolb List member with thanks
for adding them. It adds to my day. Puts a smile on my face. You don't have
to read them if you don't want to.
Come on now. Lets have a bit of tolerance on this.
David.
Do not achieve.
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| Subject: | Re: condensation on carb |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Travis,
I have CHT sensors on cylinders 1,2 & 3. A single EGT on cylinder #4.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! |
<< Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious
and non-political organization.>>
Dennis,
come on now. You just made that up.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
My Point !
The psychological component of extreme stress and the control/lack of control continuum
seems to be of little training importance in Sport Aviation ... yet it
is the area where it should be emphasized the most, due to our high engine failure
rate.
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political
organization.
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| Subject: | Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it ! |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Some people are just naturally better at emergency response than others. -and they
can be excellent pilots, that is when
everything is going along nicely. I know one who froze up in a first flight, new
experimental and got broken up pretty bad.
FAA yanked his ticket (to his friends' relief)
Aging is another problem. Mental processes can deteriorate and it will be up to
you to decide whether you should still be
sitting in a driver's seat.
BB
don't carry anything, no watch, cell phone, jewelry, shootin' arn......
well maybe a credit card
On 10, Aug 2011, at 12:12 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> I believe his point was currency to completion....My biannual check rides just
verify that I lower the nose and point to a field...checks in sailplane are
for straight ahead for tow break until 200 feet. I think the the thread has
been essentially that many of us succeed in step one of the emergency response
but aren't really ready for the rest of the sequence. Here in Arizona the brainiacks
in the legislature eliminated any requirement for training for concealed
carry...meaning we have lots of guns..like 2 per capita...every where you
go but most carriers being clueless in a difficult situation....like Gifford in
Tucson. Thats why cops have that pesky constant recurrent training/practice....
and aviators particularly of the 2 cycle variety probably should also....not
for the gun... but the engine out...
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:33 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Not Aviation Related...or is it !
>
>
> I carry, and I practice engine outs. What's your point? That people who carry
are not good at forced landings?
> ??
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349083#349083
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
when the wings folded at about 1200' AGL >>
Dave,
I am sure that there are many on the list who would like to hear that
story.
Congratulations on still being here.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks for all of the great input and personal experiences. I'm just trying to
find out things others have experienced and hoping to have enough sense to check
for those obvious things that could cause a problem. Even the not-so-obvious
things. My experience has been limited to C-150/52, C-172 and C-182 so you
can see my curiosity regarding other types of ac and engines. I have no experience
with tail-draggers or stick controls but hopefully that issue will be
resolved within the next couple of months.
The value of practicing engine out procedures seems to be in-valuable but my experience
is that it is never practiced during a BFR. Even through 3 CFI's who
have given me the BFR, so I just do it on my own.
I too would like to hear about the "wings folding at 1200'.
Larry Ragan
Mountain View, AR
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349112#349112
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. |
**
Joepilot,
Wilson "Butch" Kessler is doing well. He sold 50 some acres of his property,
which is the airstrip, and kept the section down the hill which is his home.
He and his wife are raising their pre-teen granddaughter. A neighbor bought
the strip, so it's still in operation.
He's contemplating a complete restoration on the Cub. He has an early '40s Stearman
Bipe which he spent hundreds of thousands to have restored to like new condition.
He wanted to go flying it around wherever in retirement, but that hasn't happened,
possibly due to raising the child, so the Stearman is on the block and gorgeous!!!
If I had a few hundred thou to spare I'd sell my FF (Kolb related) and buy it...
He recently bought a brand new black Harley and seems to be enjoying retirement
and
less obligation maintaining the airstrip. I do more tall grass t/os and landings
now,
since Butch kept it like a putting green and the current owner has a full time
excavating
business. Not a problem, just an observation.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
PS: Another AMEN!
*Subject: * /*_Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton
Pa._*/
*From: * */"joepilot503" <joepilot503(at)hotmail.com
>/*
I'm from Story Wyoming and flying a original firestar, I seen the topic
on the
hanger space and I know the address you posted. I've known Wilson Kessler
since
1977. My dad Larry Stenger sold his 1939 J-3 cub to him in 1980. Does anyone
know how Mr Kessler is doing these days ? Does he still have the cub ?
**
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined Fairings |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
I'll take them. Let me know how much, email me at richard(at)bcchapel.org
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly & MZ 34 Progress |
>
>Jack, since I do not know the exact arrangement of your ram induction air
into the filter, maybe I am off the mark, but it occurs to me that when you
ram air into a carb with a float bowl, it changes the air pressure of the
float level and fuel level within the float bowl, have you taken into
account that the ram effect can alter the float bowl pressure affecting the
fuel level/induction into the manifold?
>
Richard,
You are correct. All one has to do is put a static tap into the ram filter
housing and then connect the float vent to it and both the carburetor throat
and the volume above the float chamber run at the same pressure at all
engine speeds.
This is why I used a dynamic pressure tap to control air/fuel mixture in the
Bing on the Victor 1+. What you do is set the Bing for the richest normal
setting. Then you bleed off air using a negative dynamic pressure air that
is supplied from the carburetor throat to reduce the pressure over the float
bowl to lean the mixture out. How this is done can be seen at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly146.html
Then later on, I added a positive pressure dynamic tap to the carburetor
throat and instead of venting to the static air, I vented to this new tap.
This ensures that one can drive the pressure above the float bowl positive.
One can see the pressure recover found for the Victor 1+ at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly147.html
All of these pressure readings were taken from above the wing. With the MZ
34 running inverted, the carburetor is much lower and I may be able to
modify the scoop to include a 90 degree elbow to capture higher pressure ram
air from below the wing. The scoop mounting can be seen in the second and
third photos of:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly158.html
At this time I am using mechanical method to enable me to adjust the
Tillotson low and high speed jets from the cockpit while on the ground. But
I have placed plus and minus and static taps in the carburetor for the
purpose of adjusting the air/fuel mixture while in the air. The Tillotson
carburetor will react to positive pressure air under the control diaphragm
as does the Bing with positive pressure over the float bowl. If you would
like to check it out, it can be seen here:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html
The pressure controlled air/mixture control will not be mounted until I get
a few more hours on the MZ 34. I am very excited about this method as it
weigh almost nothing, and there is only one mechanical thing, which is, a
tiny mixing valve. I had very good luck with it on the Victor 1+, in that,
I could run constant and stable EGT numbers and I did not have to guess what
the fuel burn rate was going to be today or over any time of day. Once this
system is installed the mechanical needle controls will be removed.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Washing the Kolb is fun |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Washing the airplane is a lot more fun when you have a 6 year old helper who says
that washing the airplane is fun. So I guess it really is fun. Who knew?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Washing the Kolb is fun |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Um - ... the laundry is what she is using to wash the windshield...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Looking for field and hanger space around Souderton Pa. |
| From: | "joepilot503" <joepilot503(at)hotmail.com> |
Dave,
Good to hear things are Ok, the strip is still active and he still has the cub.
Thanks for the update.
Brian Stenger
Story, Wyoming
Firestar (Original) W/503
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349159#349159
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
My suggestion in any situation where the airplane is still flyable is to fly the
airplane. Or another way of saying it if you lost a motor you have to land it
where you can in whatever glide radius from where you are when you discover
you can no longer maintain altitude. Once you are in that mode you sorta do all
the proper normal things that you have to do in the time that you have. It is
actually not bad, because any decision you make is the last decision you have
to make on that item so as things progress you really have less and less to
deal with till you get to just the process of landing at the spot you already
picked out before.
Having done a few of those emergency landings I can safely say that I can't really
remember doing much more than estimating my approach to the landing spot and
the speed I need, so not to be too fast or slow, I guess playing around in
the pattern by idling the motor at any point relative to the strip and trying
to make a landing is a good practice and also fun.
Back in the 82nd the Jump Masters used to always say "keep a sharp lookout during
decent" they didn't want us walking on each other's canopy, but the same thing
can be applied to anything we do in the airplane.
Ron @ KFHU
==============
---- Ozarkflyer wrote:
============
Thanks for all of the great input and personal experiences. I'm just trying to
find out things others have experienced and hoping to have enough sense to check
for those obvious things that could cause a problem. Even the not-so-obvious
things. My experience has been limited to C-150/52, C-172 and C-182 so you
can see my curiosity regarding other types of ac and engines. I have no experience
with tail-draggers or stick controls but hopefully that issue will be
resolved within the next couple of months.
The value of practicing engine out procedures seems to be in-valuable but my experience
is that it is never practiced during a BFR. Even through 3 CFI's who
have given me the BFR, so I just do it on my own.
I too would like to hear about the "wings folding at 1200'.
Larry Ragan
Mountain View, AR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349112#349112
--
kugelair.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Streamlined Fairings |
Is that an inside joke??
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 8/10/2011 12:52:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com writes:
Oh man you mean you want pay the shipping ?
Travis
Kolb CO.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
That works for me. At the end of the day we are all here because we enrichen
our lives { and hopefully those that are close to us }by flying our Kolb's
and other brands of flying machines. I for one like the personal exchanges
and as long as I am free to agree or disagree as I see fit ,then I sleep
happy. There is a great bunch of people on this list , we can all learn from
each other . We do not necessarily have to agree with each other on all
subjects. Would become a really boring site if we did. Fair winds and safe
flying to all.
This part of the world is coming into spring so things are lookin good .
Hope to get out and do a bit more flying as the weather improves .
Downunder
KolbMK111
503
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/10/11 |
Thanks Dennis for offering the fairings. Richard will put them to good use.
Richard, it is good to see the Kolb getting a cleaning. Having seen it last month
I would say it will probably be 10 lbs lighter. Good way to get a child interested
in becoming a pilot some day. As a child or teenager many of us would
have jumped at the opportunity to wash any airplane... just to be around one.
Wing struts make fairly decent clothes lines for drying the laundry. LOLs.
Never have had to make an emergency landing but have always flown with aircraft
equipped with 4 stroke engines. It seems back when I first started flying (Aeronca
Champ) the instructor would cut the engine off for me to practice a "dead
stick" landing. Never have liked that expression or "dead-reckoning" either.
Seems the FAA has discouraged that engine out practice. I look forward to
flying my Kolb and know from what you fellows on the list have said, I need to
prepare for the difference in the engine out inertia or lack thereof.
Thanks you all. Lord willing and the creek, or lake in my case, doesn't rise I
will be applying the final coats of UV and color to all my fabric covered parts
this Friday and Saturday. Then I can move the whole project to the Collegedale
airport to my T hangar, and at long last (8 years) start putting it together.
Bob G.
N830PB
MKIIIX GPAS VW 2180 with re-drive
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
http://news.yahoo.com/us-hypersonic-glider-launched-145048349.html
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Friends for Fun, Safety and Knowledge, A not-for-profit, non-religious and non-political
organization.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Beauford " <beauford173(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
Kolbers and Kolbettes:
Have dragged the infernal machine home to the house to give it a good
cleanup and pull the annual.
Sadly, as Beauford has gradually sagged further into geezerhood in the ten
years since building this thing, he has
inexorably fallen into the pit of personal excess. Stogies, Beefeaters and
Colonel Sanders have
had their way with him.
The result is that I now weigh about 40 pale, flaccid belly units more than
that mythical 170 pound "typical"
skinny pilot bastard I keep reading about. The Fly senses this somehow. and
over the last six years I have worked my way from one
elevator tab with a faint hint of downward twist, to two tabs bent severely
enough to kick up dirt clods if I lower the
elevator while taxiing. Unsatisfactory.
I purchased a new pair of stabilizer mounting brackets from Travis and am
about to lower the leading edge of the
stab.. It occurred to me that other people on the List must have played
with this same adjustment on Fireflys and Firestars,
and I solicit some advice on how sensitive these machines are to stab
adjustments. I keep thinking about the stab
trim adjustments on various Pipers I have been humiliated by over the
years.they had a four or five inch range, but I suspect
the Kleenex Fly would be somewhat more sensitive in pitch.
I was thinking about an inch for openers. I tentatively plan to drill two
sets of holes in the bracket. one set at an inch and the
other at about an inch and three-quarters.
Anyone out there have any advice to offer.? besides laying off the
stogies, Beefeaters and Original Crispy, that is.
Any wisdom (preferably based on experience) would be appreciated.
Beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I wish I could help with your question, Beauford, but lack of specific knowledge
keeps me quiet in that regard, but no so on the term "pale".
I've nailed a pale back onto a fence, I've said things that some consider beyond
the pale, I've drunk my fair share of pale ale, and I've carried milk from
the barn to the house in a pail, but have no idea how much a pale weighs in terms
that might be useful for guessing your actual attraction to the earth's center.
Can you shed some light on this term? Is it kin to a stone?
Thom, also heavy in the middle.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
This gentleperson went the other way, but interesting information nonethele
ss. And I love pictures:
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSIIelevatorbracket.html
A new poll would be fun. Well... maybe not "fun"...
Geezerhood: entering now
Height: 6' 7"
Weight: 235
Stogies: Yup
KFC: chicken livers, especially!
Krispee Kreme, TastyKakes and Little Debbies: got me there, too
Phil H.
--- On Thu, 8/11/11, Beauford wrote:
From: Beauford <beauford173(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 1:56 PM
Kolbers and Kolbettes:
=C2-
Have dragged the infernal machine home to the house to give it a good clean
up and pull the annual.
=C2-
Sadly, as Beauford has gradually sagged further into geezerhood in the ten
years since building this thing, he has
inexorably fallen into the pit of personal excess Stogies, Beefeat
ers and Colonel Sanders have
had their way with him
=C2-
The result is that I now weigh about 40 pale, flaccid belly units more than
that mythical 170 pound =9Ctypical=9D
skinny pilot bastard I keep reading about.=C2- The Fly senses this someho
w and over the last six years I have worked my way from one
elevator tab with a faint hint of downward twist, to two tabs bent severely
enough to kick up dirt clods if I lower the
elevator while taxiing=C2- Unsatisfactory.
=C2-
I purchased a new pair of stabilizer mounting brackets from Travis and am a
bout to lower the leading edge of the
stab.=C2- It occurred to me that other people on the List must h
ave played with this same adjustment on Fireflys and Firestars,
and I solicit some advice on how sensitive these machines are to stab adjus
tments.=C2- I keep thinking about the stab
trim adjustments on various Pipers I have been humiliated by over the years
they had a four or five inch range, but I suspect
the Kleenex Fly would be somewhat more sensitive in pitch.
=C2-
I was thinking about an inch for openers I tentatively plan to dri
ll two sets of holes in the bracket one set at an inch and the
other at about an inch and three-quarters
=C2-
Anyone out there have any advice to offer?=C2-=C2- besides lay
ing off the stogies, Beefeaters and Original Crispy, that is
=C2-
Any wisdom (preferably based on experience) would be appreciated.
=C2-
Beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
=C2-
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Why not attach a bit of ballast at the aft end of the tail boom? Perhaps a few
fender washers stacked along either side of the tail wheel?
Considering the difference in moment arms, and assuming that the - ahem - flaccid
40 pounds is centered at X distance in front of the CG, it shouldn't take a
great deal of lead, depleted uranium, or similar substance at the Y distance
aft of the CG to make the Fly fly more evenly.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Not a Fire Fly, but a IIIX with multiple hole brackets, I'd suggest 1/2"
increments.
As something to try before a bracket replacement, use some duct tape to sea
l
the gap between the horizontal stabilizer and the boom tube. You might find
that removing the interference drag caused by those slots increases the tai
l
effectiveness enough to fix the problem. Cheap and simple and you can alway
s
do the bracket change afterward.
Just a thought.
Rick Girard
If 60 is the beginning of Geezerhood, I'm less than two months away.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Phil wrote:
> This gentleperson went the other way, but interesting information
> nonetheless. And I love pictures:
> http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSIIelevatorbracket.html
>
> A new poll would be fun. Well... maybe not "fun"...
>
> Geezerhood: entering now
> Height: 6' 7"
> Weight: 235
> Stogies: Yup
> KFC: chicken livers, especially!
> Krispee Kreme, TastyKakes and Little Debbies: got me there, too
>
> Phil H.
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/11/11, Beauford * wrote:
>
>
> From: Beauford <beauford173(at)verizon.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 1:56 PM
>
>
> Kolbers and Kolbettes:
>
>
> Have dragged the infernal machine home to the house to give it a good
> cleanup and pull the annual.
>
>
> Sadly, as Beauford has gradually sagged further into geezerhood in the te
n
> years since building this thing, he has
>
> inexorably fallen into the pit of personal excess=85 Stogies, Beefeaters
and
> Colonel Sanders have
>
> had their way with him=85
>
>
> The result is that I now weigh about 40 pale, flaccid belly units more th
an
> that mythical 170 pound =93typical=94
>
> skinny pilot bastard I keep reading about. The Fly senses this somehow
=85
> and over the last six years I have worked my way from one
>
> elevator tab with a faint hint of downward twist, to two tabs bent severe
ly
> enough to kick up dirt clods if I lower the
>
> elevator while taxiing=85 Unsatisfactory.
>
>
> I purchased a new pair of stabilizer mounting brackets from Travis and am
> about to lower the leading edge of the
>
> stab.=85 It occurred to me that other people on the List must have playe
d
> with this same adjustment on Fireflys and Firestars,
>
> and I solicit some advice on how sensitive these machines are to stab
> adjustments. I keep thinking about the stab
>
> trim adjustments on various Pipers I have been humiliated by over the
> years=85they had a four or five inch range, but I suspect
>
> the Kleenex Fly would be somewhat more sensitive in pitch.
>
>
> I was thinking about an inch for openers=85 I tentatively plan to drill t
wo
> sets of holes in the bracket=85 one set at an inch and the
>
> other at about an inch and three-quarters=85
>
>
> Anyone out there have any advice to offer=85? besides laying off the
> stogies, Beefeaters and Original Crispy, that is=85
>
>
> Any wisdom (preferably based on experience) would be appreciated.
>
>
> Beauford
>
> FF-076
>
> Brandon, FL
>
>
> *
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
Hey Pat,
Greeting from the west side of the pond. There's an account of the
incident at
www.matronics.com/photoshare/undoctor(at)rcn.com.05.07.2007 I posted it
a couple of years ago when there was a thread about off strip landings.
Thanks
for the congrats for still being around. Even now, years later, I still
pause and
take a deep breath in amazement from time to time.
If you go to the pics, in the pic of the "celebrating life picnic" on
the one year
anniversary, my nephew Mike is sitting on the bench with my daughter. I'll
attach a more recent photo of him when he was the foreman of the ironworkers
putting up the Comcast Building in Philly. He's currently working on
Freedom
Tower in NYC.
His father, my beloved bro, tripped on a wash basket in the dark 4
Christmases
ago, went down the stairs and broke his neck on the wall at the bottom.
Kind
of makes you wonder, doesn't it? He was a Mennonite preacher, raised beef,
did period architecture woodwork restoration, etc. and looked like a
taller,
leaner version of Homer. I guess that makes it Kolb related...
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
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*From: * */"Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
>/*
*Subject: * /*_Re: Engine out_*/
when the wings folded at about 1200' AGL>>
Dave,
I am sure that there are many on the list who would like to hear that
story.
Congratulations on still being here.
Pat
**
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
Not sure why your having a problem. Our FireFly
flew OK with me 5'7" at close 290#. My partner
5'11" about nearly same weight, maybe a little
less, had no problem. Trying to recall if we had
a trim tab, I think we did, I don't think it was
very big. We also had an approx. 29# VLS chute
mounted between the wings. Sure you have the
gear pointed in the right direction, just a
joke. If I recall our instrument panel was about
12# when I weighed it. Had a full size GA type
Altimeter, small G-gage, Air speed, small elec.
variometer (like used in gliders for vert.
speed), compass, and EIS system. We really
didn't have a problem with it, it handled well on
the ground and handled well in the air. Something doesn't sound right.
Seems to me an inch change of the horizontal stab
incidence would be a dramatic change, I think I
would make the bracket for 1/2" and 1". Try the
half first. Do you have gap seals on flaperons
and are they in correct position when under in flight pressure.
jerryb
At 12:56 PM 8/11/2011, you wrote:
>Kolbers and Kolbettes:
>
>Have dragged the infernal machine home to the
>house to give it a good cleanup and pull the annual.
>
>Sadly, as Beauford has gradually sagged further
>into geezerhood in the ten years since building this thing, he has
>inexorably fallen into the pit of personal
>excess Stogies, Beefeaters and Colonel Sanders have
>had their way with him
>
>The result is that I now weigh about 40 pale,
>flaccid belly units more than that mythical 170 pound typical
>skinny pilot bastard I keep reading about. The
>Fly senses this somehow and over the last six
>years I have worked my way from one
>elevator tab with a faint hint of downward
>twist, to two tabs bent severely enough to kick up dirt clods if I lower the
>elevator while taxiing Unsatisfactory.
>
>I purchased a new pair of stabilizer mounting
>brackets from Travis and am about to lower the leading edge of the
>stab. It occurred to me that other people on
>the List must have played with this same adjustment on Fireflys and Firestars,
>and I solicit some advice on how sensitive these
>machines are to stab adjustments. I keep thinking about the stab
>trim adjustments on various Pipers I have been
>humiliated by over the yearsthey had a four or five inch range, but I suspect
>the Kleenex Fly would be somewhat more sensitive in pitch.
>
>I was thinking about an inch for openers I
>tentatively plan to drill two sets of holes in
>the bracket one set at an inch and the
>other at about an inch and three-quarters
>
>Anyone out there have any advice to
>offer? besides laying off the stogies,
>Beefeaters and Original Crispy, that is
>
>Any wisdom (preferably based on experience) would be appreciated.
>
>Beauford
>FF-076
>Brandon, FL
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re wing collapse |
David,
Wow! You must have lived an exemplary life to get out of that.
Congratulations again
Pat
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| From: | Dan Breitigam <dbrtgm(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/10/11 |
Bob G, I'm happy to hear of your progress on your MkIII, but didn't know you had
been working on it for this long! Glad you're about ready to move out here
to Collegedale airport, it's lonely having the only Kolb around.
In the last few days I've been able to finish my Twinstar project by finally installing
the last item required for flight, the prop. It's a GSC 66" two blade.
I also recently finished installing my independent disk brakes with both brake
levers on the control stick. Now for a lesson or two to learn tail-dragging.
Sounds like you had a good ol time at Oshkosh. Jealous, I am.
Dan Breitigam
Mark II, open, 503 DCDI
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| From: | "Kolb Aircraft" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ordering parts from Kolb |
Frank
Please send us an email to customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com
We have several good pictures to send you of our new Fire Star II side
by side.
I do not have your email address here.
Travis
Kolb CO.
----- Original Message -----
From: frank goodnight
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb
You can always reach TravIs @ 606-862-9692 or Bryan @ 606-682-3388.
Frank Goodnight
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From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, August 8, 2011 8:00:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb
It's all standard aircraft hardware, which you can get from outfits
like Aircraft Spruce.
-Dana
At 08:22 PM 8/8/2011, thumbs wrote:
I have been trying to contact Kolb using email addresses on their
sight. I have tried both customer support and travis's email. All the
emails I have tried come back not deliverable. How do you get emails to
Kolb?
I am trying to get a set, or two, of the attachment pins and keepers
for my FirestarII.
--
Cause of crash: Inadvertent contact with the ground.
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| Subject: | Re: Ordering parts from Kolb |
| From: | Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Travis,
Why not share all these FireStar II side-by-side photos with all of us
on the Kolb list?
Everyone here always enjoys seeing Kolbs, especially brand new ones!!
Mike Welch
N212MN MkIII
> Frank
> Please send us an email to customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com
> We have several good pictures to send you of our new Fire Star II
side by side.
> I do not have your email address here.
>
> Travis
> Kolb CO.
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| From: | "Kolb Aircraft" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ordering parts from Kolb |
Because the pictures are not on this computer yet. I will post them on
the list soon.
Brian's wife has them on her computer at home.
Travis
Kolb CO.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Welch
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ordering parts from Kolb
Travis,
Why not share all these FireStar II side-by-side photos with all of
us on the Kolb list?
Everyone here always enjoys seeing Kolbs, especially brand new ones!!
Mike Welch
N212MN MkIII
Frank
Please send us an email to customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com
We have several good pictures to send you of our new Fire Star II
side by side.
I do not have your email address here.
Travis
Kolb CO.
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| Subject: | Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
| From: | "AtomicDog" <MStudio828(at)aol.com> |
I am working on my firestar and ready to order my prop. However one of the options
is for a spinner. My question is, are there any advantages to putting a spinner
on a pusher type aircraft. I can see the aerodynamic advantages on a tractor
aircraft, but I think these advantages are lost on a pusher.
I do like the looks of a prop with spinner however I am trying to keep the weight
down.
--------
Building Firestar II
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
At 12:33 PM 8/12/2011, AtomicDog wrote:
>
>I am working on my firestar and ready to order my prop. However one of the
>options is for a spinner. My question is, are there any advantages to
>putting a spinner on a pusher type aircraft. I can see the aerodynamic
>advantages on a tractor aircraft, but I think these advantages are lost on
>a pusher.
>
>I do like the looks of a prop with spinner however I am trying to keep the
>weight down.
A spinner can be as much of an advantage on a pusher as a tractor. There
was an article in Ultraflight magazine a year or so ago, a guy put one on
his PPC... he reported 5-10% thrust increase, which translates into a
similar improvement in rate of climb.
-Dana
--
Bismark said God looks after fools, drunks, and the United
States.
He didn't say how long the Almighty's patience might endure.
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
I am working on my firestar and ready to order my prop. However one of the
options is for a spinner. My question is, are there any advantages to
putting a spinner on a pusher type aircraft. I can see the aerodynamic
advantages on a tractor aircraft, but I think these advantages are lost on a
pusher.
I do like the looks of a prop with spinner however I am trying to keep the
weight down.
--------
Building Firestar II
what little i have been schooled that in aerodynamics,,,, at least at the
speeds we fly, it doesn't make much difference in how you disturb or open
up the air space,,, but it makes more difference in how you close it,
example: for total drag reduction, a blunt leading edge and tapered
trailing edge, is better or has less drag than a tapered leading edge and
a blunt trailing edge. so the spinner would be better on a pusher than a
tractor, for total drag reduction,,, now as fer purdy,,, that is a whole
different ball of wax.
boyd young
mkiii
utah
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| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Here's a cheap spinner: a Motorcraft air filter.
If anybody is interested, I'll try and find out the part number, anyway it is plastic
and easy to do.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
Motorcraft Air Filter FA1632
Here's a cheap spinner: a Motorcraft air filter.
If anybody is interested, I'll try and find out the part number, anyway it
is
plastic and easy to do.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/11/11 |
Thanks Dennis for the correction on the spelling of "ded-reckoning". It is the
pronunciation that always bothered me.
For the 6'7" 200 plus Kolber... I am 6'3' and weigh in at 260. So glad Mr Kolb
designed something for us "abnormally tall and heavy" people. Richard P.s
MKIII with Rotax two cylinder handled our size and weight fine. Even on a 700
foot strip with power lines on one end... the departure end.
The new horizontal brackets should give you the adjustment range you desire and
help with the trim.
Keep me posted on what you come up with.
B Green
N830PB, MKIIIX project
GPAS VW with re-drive
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| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
When I ordered my Warp Drive prop I asked the guy (don't remember his name) about
a spinner and he said it would be for looks only on a pusher. But it seems
to me there should be some drag reduction. How much is the question??
Rex
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| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
[quote="fs2kolb(at)aol.com"]
> Motorcraft Air Filter FA1632
Hey! I bet that's why that particular picture had the tag it did!
(Facepalm)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
| From: | "Mic" <miceire(at)gmail.com> |
Good idea Richard.
I suspect from previous experience with boat hulls being designed for optimum benefit
as the water passes aft of the greatest beam, that aircraft would experience
a similar benefit as they move through the air. A quick review of leading
and trailing edge wing design would probably show this quite clearly.
I like the simple solution of this suggestion as well. After all it's not quite
rocket science is it?
--------
Mic
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in
delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
Carl Sagan
"Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire."
W.B. Yeats
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
I am sure that my wife has a plastic bowl of about the right shape and
dimensions in the kitchen (Not an area of the house with which I am
familiar)
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/10/11 |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
bgreen(at)bimi.org wrote:
>
>
> Never have had to make an emergency landing but have always flown with aircraft
equipped with 4 stroke engines. It seems back when I first started flying
(Aeronca Champ) the instructor would cut the engine off for me to practice a
"dead stick" landing. Never have liked that expression or "dead-reckoning" either.
Seems the FAA has discouraged that engine out practice.
> N830PB
> MKIIIX GPAS VW 2180 with re-drive
When I was learning to fly at Burnside-Ott back in the late 60's, their company
policy was that the FAR prohibiting flight within 500' of any person or object
meant that you didn't take their property (their airplane) below 500' AGL while
practice engine-outs.
Since my first private pilot check ride did not go well (their designee was know
as "The Grim Reaper," because he would always flunk everybody on their first
try. Got the company at least 3 more hours of flight time/money out of every
student...) I chose to go with a different check pilot. He was a controller at
North Perry airport, and when it came to the engine out part of the exam, he
had maneuvered me to a spot in the Everglades where there was a strip of asphalt
about 20' wide and 1500' long.
He pulled the power and gave me the usual instructions and as I was looking for
a likely field, he pointed to that asphalt patch (which I had never noticed before)
and said "Put it there." I went through the motions and when we got down
to 500' AGL, I looked at him questioningly. He looked back at me and said "I
don't work for Burnside-Ott, keep going." Turned out I would have come up 20'
short, he gave me the power back at around 50' AGL and told me to try it again.
2nd time was good, he gave me the power back just before it would have been
a touch and go.
My kind of FAA guy.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
Morning Richard,=0AI'm interested in a cheap spinner.Was thinking about a h
igh priced one.cheap is =0Abetter.=0AFrank=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______
__________________________=0AFrom: "fs2kolb(at)aol.com" <fs2kolb(at)aol.com>=0ATo
: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, August 12, 2011 1:10:35 PM=0ASubject
: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???=0A=0AMotorcraf
ichard(at)bcchapel.org> Here's a =0Acheap spinner: a Motorcraft air filter.
If anybody is interested, I'll try and =0Afind out the part number, anyway
it is plastic and easy to do. Richard Pike =0AMKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
============== =0A
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| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
| From: | "SS568" <david(at)PaulowniaTrees.com> |
Just walk thru walmart, dollar store etc.. There are plenty of plastic shapes
that would make a spinner. But how is it to be attached to the hub?
And some of these plastics degrade in a year or so.
David d.
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| Subject: | Streamlining a Kolb? |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Inspired by Jack Hart's efforts to get more bang from his gasoline buck, I decided
to attempt a couple streamlining projects. I added home made gear leg fairings,
which I told the list about last year, I think. They added 2 mph to my normal
cruise speed. I took them off later to adjust my toe-in by bending the gear
legs. I finally got around to painting them and putting them back on last
week.
This week I devised a mount for some old wheel pants that came off a Rans S-6.
These are good pants/spats as they made a 4 mph difference in the Rans. Since
the Slingshot is a good bit slower, I expected maybe 3 mph gain. They are worth
2 mph on the Slingshot. I don't intend to fly faster but rather same speed as
before with less fuel burn. The most noticeable difference from adding the wheel
pants was a change in trim requirement. I had to add a little nose down trim
to compensate for the reduced drag below the aerodynamic center. Since I had
a little nose up trim at cruise before the wheel pants were installed, this
was a good thing.
I will take and post some photos after I paint the wheel pants, next week.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Kolb Homecoming and or Fly-in |
| From: | "Mic" <miceire(at)gmail.com> |
Does anyone know if there will be a Kolb homecoming fly-in this year or if there
are any fly-ins scheduled this fall. I found a mention of the Naugua Fly-in
posted last week but no other info was mentioned.
--------
Mic
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in
delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
Carl Sagan
"Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire."
W.B. Yeats
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/10/11 |
Hi Richard:
I read your page (for about the 20th time) about the Aeroshield 2604 prop t
ape you used. You wondered why the prop was quieter? Could it be because of
the pinking; whether it's the same principle as dimples on a golf ball or
VGs; that it makes the blades slip through the air with less turbulence?
-
Does-Powerfin's black plastic urethane tape have the same pinked edge?
Do you have any of either left? I don't need it now, but I will when I get
my plane...
Phil H.
--- On Sat, 8/13/11, Richard Pike wrote:
From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 08/10/11
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 7:59 AM
bgreen(at)bimi.org wrote:
>
>
>- Never have had to make an emergency landing but have always flown with
aircraft equipped with 4 stroke engines.- It seems back when I first sta
rted flying (Aeronca Champ) the instructor would cut the engine off for me
to practice a "dead stick" landing.- Never have liked that expression or
"dead-reckoning" either.- Seems the FAA has discouraged that engine out p
ractice.-
> N830PB
> MKIIIX GPAS VW 2180 with re-drive
When I was learning to fly at Burnside-Ott back in the late 60's, their com
pany policy was that the FAR prohibiting flight within 500' of any person o
r object meant that you didn't take their property (their airplane) below 5
00' AGL while practice engine-outs.
Since my first private pilot check ride did not go well (their designee was
know as "The Grim Reaper," because he would always flunk everybody on thei
r first try. Got the company at least 3 more hours of flight time/money out
of every student...) I chose to go with a different check pilot. He was a
controller at North Perry airport, and when it came to the engine out part
of the exam, he had maneuvered me to a spot in the Everglades where there w
as a strip of asphalt about 20' wide and 1500' long.
He pulled the power and gave me the usual instructions and as I was looking
for a likely field, he pointed to that asphalt patch (which I had never no
ticed before) and said "Put it there." I went through the motions and when
we got down to 500' AGL, I looked at him questioningly. He looked back at m
e and said "I don't work for Burnside-Ott, keep going." Turned out I would
have come up 20' short, he gave me the power back at around 50' AGL and tol
d me to try it again. 2nd time was good, he gave me the power back just bef
ore it would have been a touch and go.
My kind of FAA guy.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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le, List Admin.
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
It's time I bought a welder and learned how to weld; mainly 4130 tubing and other
light stock. Could some of you expert welders out there lend a few suggestions?
1. MIG or TIG? I know the difference, I just don't know which is more appropriate
for 4130 welding. I'm guessing TIG?
2. How much should I spend on my first welder? I see some $110 boxes out there.
3. Is a 120v unit sufficient?
4. Any other tips and advice would be appreciated!
Phil H.
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
The better work is done with a TIG. As a retired welder I can only say
"Don't scrimp on your machine" Buy the absolute best you can afford.
Larry
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:40 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Welding?
It's time I bought a welder and learned how to weld; mainly 4130
tubing and other light stock. Could some of you expert welders out there
lend a few suggestions?
1. MIG or TIG? I know the difference, I just don't know which is
more appropriate for 4130 welding. I'm guessing TIG?
2. How much should I spend on my first welder? I see some $110
boxes out there.
3. Is a 120v unit sufficient?
4. Any other tips and advice would be appreciated!
Phil H.
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| Subject: | Re: Fat Pilot Fire Fly Fix |
| From: | "Kip" <klaurie(at)mindspring.com> |
Good luck, Beauford.
That's some good reading... [Laughing]
--------
2000 Firestar II
R503 DCDI
VLS 750
2010 Waiex
Jabiru 3300
20?? Pitts Special S-1C
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Phil- A few things come to mind.- Anyone with reasonable eye/hand coo
rdination can learn to weld.- If you have little or no experience, your l
ocal dealer usually gives short introductory lessons.- Or, a course at yo
ur local tech school, adult education program, or community college will be
a great help.- Plan on practicing a lot, before trying it for keeps.
- Equipment:- Harbor Freight has a nice electronic welding helmet for u
nder $50.- I got mine with a coupon for $39.- Welding machines:- Do y
ourself a favor, and buy a name brand machine- Lincoln, Miller, Hobart, etc
.- The cheap Chinese made ones may or may not last, and parts will be dif
ficult to find.- Visit your local welding supply dealers.
- Type:- The bulk of my experience is with stick welding, but I used a
Lincoln flux core MIG to fabricate a new front cage for my old Firestar.-
Inside, you can use a gas MIG or a TIG, but if the wind is blowing the shi
elding gas gives you a hard time.- I have no TIG experience.- For someo
ne of limited experience, use a good flux core machine.- 110v is okay, as
the machine will not overheat with the service you will give it.
- Clean your materials!- Oil, mill scale, or the "soap" preservative wi
ll interfere with a good weld.- Slag from a torch cut should be ground do
wn.
- Get a 110v Dremel tool, with accessories.- You will never regret it.
- Get a 4" or 4 1/2" angle grinder.--I have a Ryobi.- Got it on sal
e at Home Depot for $39.- Works great.- use grinding wheels for shaping
, and use "flap" wheels for clean and polish.- Remove any slag, both betw
een welds, and after welding.
- Practice, practice, and practice.- The time and material are never wa
sted.- Remember to wear dark clothing, and welding gloves.- Never cool
with water!- Air cool only, so the steel won't get brittle.- You have t
o play with a machine to know the heat ranges and wire feed speeds.
- Good luck, and have fun.
-
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- Bill Sullivan
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- Windsor Locks, Ct.
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--FS 447
--- On Sat, 8/13/11, Phil wrote:
From: Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Welding?
Date: Saturday, August 13, 2011, 10:40 PM
It's time I bought a welder and learned how to weld; mainly 4130 tubing and
other light stock. Could some of you expert welders out there lend a few s
uggestions?
1. MIG or TIG? I know the difference, I just don't know which is more appro
priate for 4130 welding. I'm guessing TIG?
2. How much should I spend on my first welder? I see some $110 boxes out th
ere.
3. Is a 120v unit sufficient?
4. Any other tips and advice would be appreciated!
Phil H.
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
I agree with Larry. Also if you get high frequency you will have the
capability to weld aluminum.
Ed Diebel FF # 62
In a message dated 8/13/2011 10:11:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com writes:
The better work is done with a TIG. As a retired welder I can only say
"Don't scrimp on your machine" Buy the absolute best you can afford.
Larry
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| From: | "pcking" <pc.king(at)comcast.net> |
Have you considered attending a Sportair workshop? They take place
around the country on everything from fabric to welding. The latest one
is in Griffin GA on Aug 20/21. It's well worth the $359 price. The $110
welder is not even a player. Check the schedule for a workshop in your
geography.
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being held in Griffin, Georgia, set for next weekend, August 20-21,
presented in conjunction with Lincoln Electric and the Alexander
Technical Center. Students learn in a state-of-the-art welding workshop
with 12 professional welding booths using Lincoln Precision TIG 225
welding units for instruction. Also included is classroom time learning
welding basics. Tuition for EAA members is $359 and includes all
materials. Register online here or call 800-967-5746. And you can pay
class fees in three easy installments with EZ Pay. To learn more about
this affordable option, call 800-967-5746 and speak with an EAA member
representative.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Welding?
The better work is done with a TIG. As a retired welder I can only say
"Don't scrimp on your machine" Buy the absolute best you can afford.
Larry
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:40 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Welding?
It's time I bought a welder and learned how to weld; mainly
4130 tubing and other light stock. Could some of you expert welders out
there lend a few suggestions?
1. MIG or TIG? I know the difference, I just don't know which
is more appropriate for 4130 welding. I'm guessing TIG?
2. How much should I spend on my first welder? I see some $110
boxes out there.
3. Is a 120v unit sufficient?
4. Any other tips and advice would be appreciated!
Phil H.
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
I have always used acetylene/oxygen and been very happy with it. Also, the ability
to heat and bend stuff comes in handy. OTOH, welding aluminum is reeeely tough...
PS: Remember to demagnetize any joints you weld that are anywhere close to your
compass.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Hi,- Been a welder for most of my life(now 70 years old) used all types o
f =0Awelders. =0A=0AI belive that for most homebuilders that do only a smal
l amount of welding . The =0Abest bang for the buck,=0Aand the easiest to l
earn and use is oxy acetelean,welds thin wqll 4130 great. =0A-If you want
to weld alu spend $100.00 for a good set of goggles, and get good =0Aflux-
-hard to find---.If you do those two things alu is easy.=0AFrank=0A=0A=0A
-=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Phil <phactor9@yaho
o.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, August 13, 2011 9:40:04 P
M=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Welding?=0A=0A=0AIt's time I bought a welder and le
arned how to weld; mainly 4130 tubing and =0Aother light stock. Could some
of you expert welders out there lend a few =0Asuggestions?=0A=0A1. MIG or T
IG? I know the difference, I just don't know which is more =0Aappropriate f
or 4130 welding. I'm guessing TIG?=0A=0A2. How much should I spend on my fi
rst welder? I see some $110 boxes out there.=0A=0A3. Is a 120v unit suffici
ent?=0A=0A4. Any other tips and advice would be appreciated!=0A=0APhil H.
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| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Practice, Practice, Practice on scrap material until you have it down. Before you
weld the real thing. I took a welding course at a local Vo-Tec school and got
a certificate.
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
Mark Twain
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
oxy-acetylene is the handiest thing in a workshop after the vise and the big hammer.
stubborn nut? heat.
bend and reshape metal
cut stuff off and burn down the shop
All the old airplanes were gas welded until the very last years of tube and fabric.
Very easy: right size tip for the thickness, neutral flame.
I don't recommend flux core wire feed. Good for welding a floor pan into a VW
bug but not for airplanes.
the flux remains in some pockets and is corrosive
TIG is without question the very best but too expensive for a hobby.
My last refills lasted for years and only ran out after my last little airplane
fix this spring.
My new refills will likely last the rest of my life.
BB
MkIII, suzuki, last flown friday evening
On 14, Aug 2011, at 11:51 AM, Dennis Thate wrote:
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you weld the real thing. I took a welding course at a local Vo-Tec school and
got a certificate.
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> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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> Mark Twain
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Bob, I agree that the flux left in a weld might be a problem.- But, t
hat is operator error.- With the heat and feed set right, there will be n
o gas holes if the welder is paying attention.
- Oxy-acetylene is one of the best tools around.- I love the Victor Fir
epower sets- handy, light, and cheap.- Parts available anywhere.- Weldi
ng with gas, or TIG, requires a bit more skill level than MIG, though.- W
ish I had a Victor, but all I've got right now is a huge commercial torch w
ith heavy hoses.- Good for working on a bridge or something, but awkward
around the Kolb.- Best advice yet is to get a scrap pile and practice.-
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Bill Sullivan
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
Great info guys. Oxy-A looks like a very interesting option. The lowest I'v
e found on the VICTOR Firepower 250 (sans tanks) is $145
http://www.threemulesweld.com/vicfp2550.html
But if I didn't get tanks, where would I get those? They would-probably b
e more expensive buying separately, I'm guessing. Complete totes (with tank
s) look do-able:
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WITH tanks $309-+ $17 s/h
http://www.weldfabulous.com/Torch-Outfits/Portable-Torch/Victor-Equipment/V
ictor-0384-0936-Genuine-Portable-p4543451.html
$311 with free s/h
http://www.toolrage.com/prodview.asp?sku=VCT-0384-0990
These look like good deals?
Phil H.
--- On Sun, 8/14/11, william sullivan wrote:
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding
Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 12:31 PM
- Bob, I agree that the flux left in a weld might be a problem.- But, t
hat is operator error.- With the heat and feed set right, there will be n
o gas holes if the welder is paying attention.
- Oxy-acetylene is one of the best tools around.- I love the Victor Fir
epower sets- handy, light, and cheap.- Parts available anywhere.- Weldi
ng with gas, or TIG, requires a bit more skill level than MIG, though.- W
ish I had a Victor, but all I've got right now is a huge commercial torch w
ith heavy hoses.- Good for working on a bridge or something, but awkward
around the Kolb.- Best advice yet is to get a scrap pile and practice.-
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Bill Sullivan
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Phil- Buy the tanks at your local gas supply, or rent them.- A lot of
gas companies won't fill or re-fill tanks they didn't supply.- Liability
reasons, I think.- I have a good relationship with a local supplier, ori
ginally through where I worked.- He's a little more expensive, but the se
rvice is worth it and he is only 5 minutes from here.- I bought them from
him, and just exchange them for a price.- If you use a lot, you might co
nsider a rental.- check with a local dealer.- You will have to replace
small parts now and then- like a tip, or if your grinder goes through a hos
e or something.- Nice to know the guy.-
--- On Sun, 8/14/11, Phil wrote:
From: Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Welding
Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 1:58 PM
Great info guys. Oxy-A looks like a very interesting option. The lowest I'v
e found on the VICTOR Firepower 250 (sans tanks) is $145
http://www.threemulesweld.com/vicfp2550.html
But if I didn't get tanks, where would I get those? They would-probably b
e more expensive buying separately, I'm guessing. Complete totes (with tank
s) look do-able:
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WITH tanks $309-+ $17 s/h
http://www.weldfabulous.com/Torch-Outfits/Portable-Torch/Victor-Equipment/V
ictor-0384-0936-Genuine-Portable-p4543451.html
$311 with free s/h
http://www.toolrage.com/prodview.asp?sku=VCT-0384-0990
These look like good deals?
Phil H.
--- On Sun, 8/14/11, william sullivan wrote:
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding
Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 12:31 PM
- Bob, I agree that the flux left in a weld might be a problem.- But, t
hat is operator error.- With the heat and feed set right, there will be n
o gas holes if the welder is paying attention.
- Oxy-acetylene is one of the best tools around.- I love the Victor Fir
epower sets- handy, light, and cheap.- Parts available anywhere.- Weldi
ng with gas, or TIG, requires a bit more skill level than MIG, though.- W
ish I had a Victor, but all I've got right now is a huge commercial torch w
ith heavy hoses.- Good for working on a bridge or something, but awkward
around the Kolb.- Best advice yet is to get a scrap pile and practice.-
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Bill Sullivan
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb Homecoming and or Fly-in |
Does anyone know if there will be a Kolb homecoming fly-in this year or if
there are any fly-ins scheduled this fall. I found a mention of the Naugua
Fly-in posted last week but no other info was mentioned.
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Mic
Mic/Gang:
Nauga Flyin is 11-13 Nov at Star Hill, LA. Contact John Bickham for more
info.
Best flyin I know of this side of the Rock House Gang get together near
Burns Junction, OR.
gearbender(at)bellsouth.net
Sitting out the weekend in Gunnison, CO, waiting on the tire shop to open
tomorrow to fix a flat on the 5th wheel.
john h
mkIII
Gunnison, CO
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| From: | "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net> |
I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post a few
of my newly acquired Kolbra.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbra_inflightr_834.jpg
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| From: | Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Who the hell are you??? Man, I get tired of people expecting us to figure out
who they!
Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are?
Am I the only one that this gets to? Do the rest of you just not care?
There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email,
except some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity.
Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our job to figure
out who you are.
Mike Welch
MkIII N212MN
On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote:
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
LOL, it must be hot down south. :-) You might need to take a break.
LARRY
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Welch
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I like pictures
Who the hell are you??? Man, I get tired of people expecting us to
figure out who they!
Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever
you are?
Am I the only one that this gets to? Do the rest of you just not
care?
There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your
email,
except some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your
identity.
Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our
job to figure out who you are.
Mike Welch
MkIII N212MN
On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote:
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> I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would
post a few of my newly acquired Kolbra.
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | "Kirkds" <kirkds(at)dishmail.net> |
Nice looking Kolbra!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349419#349419
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Nice Kolbra ! Good engine too !!!
Mike ......CHILL.....look on the left side for the author.... lol
not signing just to piss you off !! lol
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349420#349420
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| From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
I'm glad the guy didn,t go for movies, might have driven you off a cliff. s
tay =0Acool, winter will be here soon.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________
__________=0AFrom: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@
matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, August 14, 2011 3:55:44 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-L
dnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>=0A=0AWho the hell are you???- Man,- I get tired
of people expecting us to figure out =0Awho they!=0ASignatures, guys!!-
Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are?=0A=0AAm I the on
ly one that- this gets to?- Do the rest of you just not care?- =0A=0A
There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email,=0Ae
xcept some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity
.=0A- - Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages.- - It's not o
ur job to figure =0Aout who you are.=0A=0AMike Welch=0AMkIII- N212MN=0A
=0A=0AOn Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote:=0A=0A> --> Kolb-List mes
sage posted by: "tkben002" =0A> =0A> I like to look
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newly acquired Kolbra.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Right on. Mike!
Russ Kinne, full name
On Aug 14, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Michael Welch wrote:
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> Who the hell are you??? Man, I get tired of people expecting us to figure out
who they!
> Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are?
>
> Am I the only one that this gets to? Do the rest of you just not care?
>
> There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email,
> except some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity.
> Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our job to figure
out who you are.
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII N212MN
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote:
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few of my newly acquired Kolbra.
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
CES308 -- I'd be glad to look, but I see nothing "on the left side". Who are YOU?
On Aug 14, 2011, at 5:27 PM, ces308 wrote:
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> Mike ......CHILL.....look on the left side for the author.... lol
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| From: | Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Chris,
hahahahahaha
On Aug 14, 2011, at 4:27 PM, ces308 wrote:
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> Mike ......CHILL.....look on the left side for the author.... lol
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
tkben,
It is indeed a nice looking Kolbra. What prop are you running (maker, dia., pitch)?
Also, how do you pronounce tkben002?
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Truth is what stands the test of experience.
- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net> |
Well, my name is Travis. I was more worried about re-sizing the pictures down
and forgot to sign the post, no biggie
Chris, any new videos, I think I have watched all 66 of them 2 or 3 times lately,
(there just is not that much on youtube)
Travis
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349429#349429
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
That is a nice looking machine and a Jabiru to sweet
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: tkben002 <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:40 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: I like pictures
I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post
a few
f my newly acquired Kolbra.
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414
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| From: | Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Travis,
Pretty airplane, BTW. Thanks.
Mike W
On Aug 14, 2011, at 4:45 PM, tkben002 wrote:
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> Well, my name is Travis. I was more worried about re-sizing the pictures down
and forgot to sign the post, no biggie
>
> Chris, any new videos, I think I have watched all 66 of them 2 or 3 times lately,
(there just is not that much on youtube)
>
> Travis
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Travis ,That is the best looking Kolbra Ihave seen ,most of them look kobled together
but yours is nice and smooth! Thanks for the pics chris
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
Disabled from crash building Firefly
----- Original Message -----
From: tkben002 <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net>
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 5:45 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures
Well, my name is Travis. I was more worried about re-sizing the pictures down and
forgot to sign the post, no biggie
Chris, any new videos, I think I have watched all 66 of them 2 or 3 times lately,
(there just is not that much on youtube)
Travis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349429#349429
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
Larry's right, must be hot down there. I'm a little unhappy myself because my
site clearing for a new pole barn has been
interrupted by rain. The guy does have a fine looking kolbra. Maybe he'll start
posting videos for the winter to atone.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
On 14, Aug 2011, at 4:55 PM, Michael Welch wrote:
>
> Who the hell are you??? Man, I get tired of people expecting us to figure out
who they!
> Signatures, guys!! Why should we have to hunt and search for whoever you are?
>
> Am I the only one that this gets to? Do the rest of you just not care?
>
> There are a few of you doing this...not signing ANYTHING on your email,
> except some over-used cliche' expression, like that is somehow your identity.
> Try having some ba!!s and sign your messages. It's not our job to figure
out who you are.
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII N212MN
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, tkben002 wrote:
>
>>
>> I like to look at pictures when I am not flying so I thought I would post a
few of my newly acquired Kolbra.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349414#349414
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>> Attachments:
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
I bought a cheap one, and found it to be useless. Buy one that has HF spark starter,
been a while so I forget the terminology. You want the one that will start
the arc without first making contact between the electrode and the work, and
you also want the one that has a foot pedal for current control.
A lot of them are stick welders that have a tig tip supposedly as a dual use. Be
really careful at buying these if they are not designed for tig they are useless.
Ron @ FHU
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It's time I bought a welder and learned how to weld; mainly 4130 tubing and other
light stock. Could some of you expert welders out there lend a few suggestions?
1. MIG or TIG? I know the difference, I just don't know which is more appropriate
for 4130 welding. I'm guessing TIG?
2. How much should I spend on my first welder? I see some $110 boxes out there.
3. Is a 120v unit sufficient?
4. Any other tips and advice would be appreciated!
Phil H.
--
kugelair.com
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| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the annual
Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their 70's & 80's
is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no younger members
to take over, even in this small University city with a well established
college aviation program.
I fear the end of what we love, 'sport aviation' could be fading away .
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
Mark Twain
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| From: | b d <gpabruce(at)gmail.com> |
Just read this post and had a thought for you . . .
I would suggest you meet with the University instructors and ask them to
propose to the young people your dilemma and ask them for suggestions to
help out. When dealing with my teen grandchildren I listen to their music,
enjoy their antics, and so on just to be around them. We get small moments
of one on one to solve minute problems but not 100% of their time. I
appreciate all the moments I get no matter how small just so they allow me
to be with them. You may also want to sit in on their classes, get to know
them, let them get to know you, listen closely to them, try their advice,
participate in their experiences and so on. It's their world now and they
can't screw it up anymore than we've screwed it up so far.
The reason I decided to respond to this was I came to the same solution with
the debt crisis. We are talking about trillions of dollars. We had about 500
congress people looking at it and they had no clue what to do. Most of them
can't take care of their own business or even pay their child support yet we
ask them to fix what they broke. What did they do? They handed it to twelve
idiots. Now tell me how long it will take 12 idiots to analyze 1 trillion
dollars let alone several to find out where there is waste, fraud and abuse?
They act as though it's all in one area marked "Waste Fraud and Abuse". Nope
it's scattered in all places, not easy to identify. So what's the solution?
I think it should be divided up by categories and given to our school
children to sift and sort and make recommendations to look at deeper. What
an experience for them and what can they learn while fixing America hands
on. They could start by making lists of questions of "what is this and that
for?" to submit to congress for answers. In doing that they will begin to
see the incompetence we deal with and contribute to every day. Oh and by the
way, this project will have so many angles to it, they would be exempt from
school be volunteering for it. What better education and creativity . . .
our business leader, our political leaders and our religious leaders have
all failed this. There is no way 12,000 people can analyze 1 trillion
dollars let alone 12 hard headed, biased, opinionated people who were the
problem to begin with. When these 12 people get done, nothing will be
accomplished except they will line their own pockets and be much more
wealthy. So I say what do we have to lose, let every child, in every grade,
in every school in every town in every state see what a mess we have left
them. They would still go to school but have a reprieve from normal school
which isn't very good anyway. I know . . . it won't happen . . .we'll keep
doing the same old thing and keep expecting different results.
In your case with EAA and young people, I hope you give it a try and let
them take the lead. No telling what these kids today can do. If you don't
believe me, watch some youtube. They are amazing. I would also go grab some
delinquents and off them a chance to "help" you out. You never know how they
might respond . . . .
Good Luck
Bruce
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Dennis Thate wrote:
>
> I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the
> annual Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their
> 70's & 80's is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no
> younger members to take over, even in this small University city with a well
> established college aviation program.
>
> I fear the end of what we love, 'sport aviation' could be fading away .
>
> --------
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist
> invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>
> Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
> Mark Twain
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349460#349460
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Here is the Aviation University instructors Mission Statement
"The aviation program mission is to prepare students for responsible positions
in the air transportation industry, including airline operations and management,
corporate aviation, airport management, aircraft maintenance, air traffic control,
and government operations. The goal of the program is to equip students
with exceptional knowledge and skills in aviation and management in order to
be highly successful in the rapidly changing and competitive field of aviation."
Ever since 911 the airport has been fenced off to the general public. No more penny
a pound rides, or kids washing airplanes in exchange for flying lessons.
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
Mark Twain
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349466#349466
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | b d <gpabruce(at)gmail.com> |
That does explain the problem doesn't it?
Say does anyone know of a KOLB for sale? Single or dual will work.
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Dennis Thate wrote:
>
> Here is the Aviation University instructors Mission Statement
>
>
> "The aviation program mission is to prepare students for responsible
> positions in the air transportation industry, including airline operations
> and management, corporate aviation, airport management, aircraft
> maintenance, air traffic control, and government operations. The goal of the
> program is to equip students with exceptional knowledge and skills in
> aviation and management in order to be highly successful in the rapidly
> changing and competitive field of aviation."
>
>
> Ever since 911 the airport has been fenced off to the general public. No
> more penny a pound rides, or kids washing airplanes in exchange for flying
> lessons.
>
> --------
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist
> invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>
> Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
> Mark Twain
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349466#349466
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
If you get a gas welder make sure you get a two stage regulator. My set came with
a single stage and it made welding very difficult as the flow was constantly
changing. I bought a good two stage and it made a world of difference.
Rex
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349489#349489
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
In fact, I found what seems to be a good price for the 0384-2550, which is
the Victor Firepower 250 kit - $150 plus a little S/H.
I'm now in the process of looking for a couple of tanks locally; it doesn't
make sense to buy them online cause they'll come empty and I'd have to fil
l them anyway.
But finding tanks locally has been really difficult (yellow pages, local in
ternet...). Still looking. For the 10cf Acet. and 20cf Oxy tanks, I've gott
en prices from $169 to $200, with refill rates of $21-27 for Acet. and $12-
15 for Oxy.
And I've been watching YouTube videos; how to gas weld and even how to braz
e aluminum. Seems simple enough... I used to sweat tons of copper in a past
life (MAPP gas); 1/2" all the way up to 2", 3" even 4" pipe. I used to do
residential/commercial water heaters for a living out in the Bay Area.
Phil H.
--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Rex Rodebush wrote:
From: Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 10:43 AM
If you get a gas welder make sure you get a two stage regulator.- My set
came with a single stage and it made welding very difficult as the flow was
constantly changing.- I bought a good two stage and it made a world of d
ifference.
Rex
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349489#349489
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
Friend has MkIII with 912S in South Carolina. Well kept. Always hangared.
In a message dated 8/14/2011 11:17:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gpabruce(at)gmail.com writes:
Say does anyone know of a KOLB for sale? Single or dual will work.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kolb Aircraft" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
I have never seen a Kolbra as you say Kolbled together.
This statement makes no since to me.
Travis
Kolb Co LLC
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris davis" <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures
>
> Travis ,That is the best looking Kolbra I have seen ,most of them look
> kobled together but yours is nice and smooth! Thanks for the pics chris
>
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tkben002 <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net>
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 5:45 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures
>
>
> Well, my name is Travis. I was more worried about re-sizing the pictures
> down and forgot to sign the post, no biggie
>
> Chris, any new videos, I think I have watched all 66 of them 2 or 3 times
> lately, (there just is not that much on youtube)
>
> Travis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349429#349429
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Phil- If you have a local Tractor Supply, they usually have gasses.-
The regulators that come with the Victor 250 are great.
-
-------------------------
-------------- Bill Sullivan
--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Phil wrote:
From: Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 11:08 AM
In fact, I found what seems to be a good price for the 0384-2550, which is
the Victor Firepower 250 kit - $150 plus a little S/H.
I'm now in the process of looking for a couple of tanks locally; it doesn't
make sense to buy them online cause they'll come empty and I'd have to fil
l them anyway.
But finding tanks locally has been really difficult (yellow pages, local in
ternet...). Still looking. For the 10cf Acet. and 20cf Oxy tanks, I've gott
en prices from $169 to $200, with refill rates of $21-27 for Acet. and $12-
15 for Oxy.
And I've been watching YouTube videos; how to gas weld and even how to braz
e aluminum. Seems simple enough... I used to sweat tons of copper in a past
life (MAPP gas); 1/2" all the way up to 2", 3" even 4" pipe. I used to do
residential/commercial water heaters for a living out in the Bay Area.
Phil H.
--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Rex Rodebush wrote:
From: Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 10:43 AM
If you get a gas welder make sure you get a two stage regulator.- My set
came with a single stage and it made welding very difficult as the flow was
constantly changing.- I bought a good two stage and it made a world of d
ifference.
Rex
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p= the many List utilities such
as List sp;---> http://foru- - - - - ---- List Contribut
ion We - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle
, List m/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contributio
n
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Phil,
I admit that TIG welding is the best of all, but it isn't very
practical for a do-it-yourselfer,
in his garage.
For me, I couldn't imagine not having a wire feed MIG, AND a
oxy/acetylene set. There
are just too many things for a guy that needs to fabricate and BOTH are
indispensable.
I have a basic two-stage oxy/acetylene welding set. I bought the
bottles USED from
my local gas supplier. They came filled!! Don't waste your money on
new, because
when you need to go refill them, they'll switch yours out for a used
set.
For my wire feed, I have one of those 110v Lincoln units. They handle
99% of the things
I ever need. I also bought the "optional" MIG conversion kit...a VERY
worthwhile investment.
Flux cored is 'ok', but the gas adds a big improvement. I got the
bottle & gas used, too.
With these two welding set-ups, the torch set and the 110v MIG wire
feed, I can weld
or cut about everything I ever need to work on. For really big stuff, I
have a 220v Lincoln
stick welder. Beyond that...I go to my local welding shop.
Mike Welch
On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Phil wrote:
> In fact, I found what seems to be a good price for the 0384-2550,
which is the Victor Firepower 250 kit - $150 plus a little S/H.
>
> I'm now in the process of looking for a couple of tanks locally; it
doesn't make sense to buy them online cause they'll come empty and I'd
have to fill them anyway.
>
> But finding tanks locally has been really difficult (yellow pages,
local internet...). Still looking. For the 10cf Acet. and 20cf Oxy
tanks, I've gotten prices from $169 to $200, with refill rates of $21-27
for Acet. and $12-15 for Oxy.
>
> And I've been watching YouTube videos; how to gas weld and even how to
braze aluminum. Seems simple enough... I used to sweat tons of copper in
a past life (MAPP gas); 1/2" all the way up to 2", 3" even 4" pipe. I
used to do residential/commercial water heaters for a living out in the
Bay Area.
>
> Phil H.
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/15/11, Rex Rodebush wrote:
>
> From: Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 10:43 AM
>
>
> If you get a gas welder make sure you get a two stage regulator. My
set came with a single stage and it made welding very difficult as the
flow was constantly changing. I bought a good two stage and it made a
world of difference.
>
> Rex
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p= the many List utilities
such as List sp; --> http://foru - List Contribution We
-Matt Dralle, List m/contribution"
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Mike- Basically, you described the equipment I have here.- Same MIG L
incoln, but I don't have the gas add-on.- I also have a 220 volt -Linco
ln "tombstone" AC welder-that handles everything else.- Good recommenda
tion on the bottles- they switch mine out, too.- 1/8" 6013 Lincoln rod ha
ndles most stuff you run into, and is not moisture sensative.
- Most problems with weld quality are in the skill of the operator.- Pr
actice!!!-
-
-------------------------
-------------- Bill Sullivan
-
-------------------------
--------------------
--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Michael Welch wrote:
From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 11:29 AM
Phil,
- I admit that TIG welding is the best of all, but it isn't very practica
l for a do-it-yourselfer,
in his garage. -
- For me, I couldn't imagine not having a wire feed MIG, AND a oxy/acetyl
ene set. -There
are just too many things for a guy that needs to fabricate and BOTH are ind
ispensable.
- I have a basic two-stage oxy/acetylene welding set. -I bought the bot
tles USED from-
my local gas supplier. -They came filled!! - Don't waste your money on
new, because
when you need to go refill them, they'll switch yours out for a used set.
- For my wire feed, I have one of those 110v Lincoln units. -They handl
e 99% of the things
I ever need. -I also bought the "optional" MIG conversion kit...a VERY wo
rthwhile investment.
Flux cored is 'ok', but the gas adds a big improvement. -I got the bottle
& gas used, too.
- With these two welding set-ups, the torch set and the 110v MIG wire fee
d, I can weld
or cut about everything I ever need to work on. -For really big stuff, I
have a 220v Lincoln
stick welder. -Beyond that...I go to my local welding shop.
Mike Welch
On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Phil wrote:
In fact, I found what seems to be a good price for the 0384-2550, which is
the Victor Firepower 250 kit - $150 plus a little S/H.
I'm now in the process of looking for a couple of tanks locally; it doesn't
make sense to buy them online cause they'll come empty and I'd have to fil
l them anyway.
But finding tanks locally has been really difficult (yellow pages, local in
ternet...). Still looking. For the 10cf Acet. and 20cf Oxy tanks, I've gott
en prices from $169 to $200, with refill rates of $21-27 for Acet. and $12-
15 for Oxy.
And I've been watching YouTube videos; how to gas weld and even how to braz
e aluminum. Seems simple enough... I used to sweat tons of copper in a past
life (MAPP gas); 1/2" all the way up to 2", 3" even 4" pipe. I used to do
residential/commercial water heaters for a living out in the Bay Area.
Phil H.
--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Rex Rodebush wrote:
From: Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 10:43 AM
If you get a gas welder make sure you get a two stage regulator.- My set
came with a single stage and it made welding very difficult as the flow was
constantly changing.- I bought a good two stage and it made a world of d
ifference.
Rex
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p= the many List utilities such
as List sp;---> http://foru- - - - - ---- List Contribut
ion We - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle
, List m/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contributio
n
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?Kolb-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con
tribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
Darn. Tractor Supply! Why didn't I remember that? Just called 'em. Good pri
ces, in stock, initial purchase is reasonable, refills are reasonable...
-
The guy didn't even wonder what I was talking about; started right in descr
ibing what they had and the swap-out procedure/prices.
-
Always did like that place.
Thank you, Bill - Phil H.
--- On Mon, 8/15/11, william sullivan wrote:
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 11:21 AM
- Phil- If you have a local Tractor Supply, they usually have gasses.-
The regulators that come with the Victor 250 are great.
-
-------------------------
-------------- Bill Sullivan
--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Phil wrote:
From: Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 11:08 AM
In fact, I found what seems to be a good price for the 0384-2550, which is
the Victor Firepower 250 kit - $150 plus a little S/H.
I'm now in the process of looking for a couple of tanks locally; it doesn't
make sense to buy them online cause they'll come empty and I'd have to fil
l them anyway.
But finding tanks locally has been really difficult (yellow pages, local in
ternet...). Still looking. For the 10cf Acet. and 20cf Oxy tanks, I've gott
en prices from $169 to $200, with refill rates of $21-27 for Acet. and $12-
15 for Oxy.
And I've been watching YouTube videos; how to gas weld and even how to braz
e aluminum. Seems simple enough... I used to sweat tons of copper in a past
life (MAPP gas); 1/2" all the way up to 2", 3" even 4" pipe. I used to do
residential/commercial water heaters for a living out in the Bay Area.
Phil H.
--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Rex Rodebush wrote:
From: Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 10:43 AM
If you get a gas welder make sure you get a two stage regulator.- My set
came with a single stage and it made welding very difficult as the flow was
constantly changing.- I bought a good two stage and it made a world of d
ifference.
Rex
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p= the many List utilities such
as List sp;---> http://foru- - - - - ---- List Contribut
ion We - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle
, List m/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contributio
n
get=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net> |
Thanks for the kind words. I am kinda partial since it is mine now but Ralph's
yellow Kolbra is what got me interested.
Travis
I am not sure what kobled is either......
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349548#349548
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Kobled in my opinion means like pieces stuck together with no respect for f
low , or odd size pieces stuck ,together , something a child would make wit
h the pieces at hand .when given odd shaped blocks and told to buiild an ai
plane just my 2cents Chris=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider P
ilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0AFrom: tkben002 <tkben002@b
ellsouth.net>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, August 15, 2011
6:51 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures=0A=0A--> Kolb-List messa
ge posted by: "tkben002" =0A=0AThanks for the kind
words.- I am kinda partial since it is mine now but Ralph's yellow Kolbra
is what got me interested.=0A=0ATravis=0A=0AI am not sure what kobled is e
ither......=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.m
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Travis , The term I used refers more to the basic design , The rest of the
Kolbs have a nice Flow a smooth aerodynamic smoothness but the Kolbra is ch
unky "in my opinion" it looks to me like pieces of a Kolb stuck together to
make a two place tandem out of a big single place big engine aircraft- .
your friend Chris , just my 2 cents=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AG
lider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0AFrom: Kolb Aircraft
=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent:
Monday, August 15, 2011 11:11 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I like pict
@tnkolbaircraft.com>=0A=0AI have never seen a Kolbra as you say Kolbled tog
ether.=0AThis statement makes no since to me.=0A=0ATravis=0AKolb Co LLC=0A
=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "chris davis" <capedavis@yahoo.
com>=0ATo: =0ASent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:58 P
M=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures=0A=0A=0A> --> Kolb-List mes
sage posted by: chris davis =0A>=0A> Travis ,That is t
he best looking Kolbra I have seen ,most of them look =0A> kobled together
but yours is nice and smooth! Thanks for the pics chris=0A>=0A>=0A> Chris D
avis=0A> KXP 503 492 hrs=0A> Glider Pilot=0A> Disabled from crash building
Firefly=0A>=0A>=0A> ----- Original Message -----=0A> From: tkben002 <tkben0
02(at)bellsouth.net>=0A> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0A> Cc:=0A> Sent: Sunday,
August 14, 2011 5:45 PM=0A> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I like pictures=0A>=0A
=0A> Well, my name is Travis. I was more worried about re-sizing the pictur
es =0A> down and forgot to sign the post, no biggie=0A>=0A> Chris, any new
videos, I think I have watched all 66 of them 2 or 3 times =0A> lately, (th
ere just is not that much on youtube)=0A>=0A> Travis=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Re
ad this topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.ph
p?p=349429#349429=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
capedavis(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Kobled in my opinion means like pieces stuck together with no respect for flow
, or odd size pieces stuck ,together , something a child would make with the
pieces at hand .when given odd shaped blocks and told to buiild an aiplane just
my 2cents Chris
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
>
>
Do you mean cobbled?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
--------
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
Its the same at my airport.
Ron @ Kfhu
===============
---- Dennis Thate wrote:
============
I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the annual
Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their 70's & 80's
is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no younger members
to take over, even in this small University city with a well established
college aviation program.
I fear the end of what we love, 'sport aviation' could be fading away .
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
Mark Twain
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349460#349460
--
kugelair.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Compass mount in your nice Kolbra... |
Hello Travis,
Nice Kolbra! Did you recover it? What production number is it?
How is your vertical card compass attached to your wind shield?
Thanks for resizing those pictures!!!!!!!!!J
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
Kolbra #1
No comments......
Hope I got that alright!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
been watching from a distance for awhile. many interesting stories about
welding. been a welder since I was 13. first burned my hand -- err, built
a go kart back then. learned that black metal can still be hot. anyway,
never used a tig or mig in my life. got behind something like that once
using gas and got sick. something about the argon got to me. can weld
inside galvanized or zinc, no problem. I have done many frame repairs and
modifications with gas welding. one thing I want to mention to newbees.
NEVER use coat hangers or any other such rods for welding unless you WANT it
to break. pony up and get the good stuff. for normal frames I would use
3/32. preheat everything you are going to fuse and when done, taping on the
weld with a slag hammer or such to expand the welded joint helps shrinkage.
when done, use the torch to heat all around the weld good and hot but NOT
red and let air cool, no breezes. NEVER use water to cool unless it is
absolutely necessary and then you MUST reheat to reset the steel stress.
braising is something different. takes lots of practice and is not really
very strong and very heavy. aluminum should be done by the pros. you
cannot believe how fast it will drop or melt. remember one thing about gas
welding, it is more melting the metals together in a strong pattern than
anything else. stick welding is different in so much as you are laying a
bead and each side of the bead fuses. gas welding is laying a bead but more
melting all the surfaces together. watch for a bubble and push the bubble
around. I am old now and vision is gone. used to be able to weld a zipper
on a crotch without burning the hair! now I am lucky if I dont set myself
on fire. lots of different methods but for gosh sake, get a lot of practice
BEFORE you weld frame for an airplane. your life or the lifes of others is
at stake and if it breaks, well, you know the rest. there are only a few
ways to weld and a thousand ways NOT to weld. best is taking a course. and
remember, black metal is still hot. ted cowan, slingshot 912ul zoom zoom
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Homecoming and or Fly-in |
| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hey Mic,
Yep, we are having a gathering here the weekend of Nov. 11, 12, 13th. It is pretty
much an informal gathering of Kolbs and assorted light planes. Right now
committed to attending:
2 Kolbs from Alabama
2 Kolbs from Louisiana
1 Kitfox from Mississippi
1 Kolb from Texas
1 Rans from New Mexico
1 Highlander from Texas
Handful of folks driving in or flying commercial from as far away as Oregon!!
(I've left the names off on purpose. Not appropriate for me to advertise folks
business on internet. Up to them to volunteer.)
This gathering was pretty much started by John Williamson and John Hauck. They
called me from Sun-n-Fun one year and said "here we come!" We take care of the
feeding and watering. We have a FBO/hunting camp to entertain in. November
should be a lot more comfortable temp wise. You have the option of tent camping,
local hotel, or some folks get adopted for the weekend by local community
of Starhill.
Nauga Field (LS35) is is a short grass strip. Runway is 1500 feet with trees and
powerlines both ends. You have to be short field proficient. False River Airpark
(HZR) is located 10 miles west of here for those that want to attend in
non-STOL planes/pilots. We can make arrangements to shuttle to/from HZR. A
brand new bridge across the Mississippi River makes that a lot easier. Nauga
Field is about 22 sm, north of Baton Rouge.
The food is typical South Louisiana. Jambalaya, wild hog, etc. Most people enjoy
but we can adapt to special diets with some advance notice.
I know it is a long way from Oregon. Right now, two other folks from Oregon have
committed to attend. One is USAF, stationed in North Louisiana. Oregon will
be well represented if you decide to come!
I'm reluctant to "toot" my own horn about how much fun we have. It is a simple
eat, laugh, and fly gathering. Just about everybody that attends, comes back.
Don't know if you bump into Arty Trost up there, but if you do, she can "enlighten"
you on what we have to offer here.
Let me know if you need more info. There will be more info and updates as we get
closer.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
BEST WELDING ADVICE Keep a container of cool water within arms length for the
inevitable burns. Skin keeps burning after heat source is removed. Immediate
dunking into cool water stops the burn and often leaves only the top surface
singed with NO blister and NO pain.
Skin needs protection from UV burns, especially with MIG or TIG. Wear a bib to
protect your neck area below your helmet or you will live to regret it years
down the road.
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Hi Richard, maybe I do mean cobbled if that is the correct spelling . Sorry
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| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
Stick welding and MIG is relatively easy and you can probably learn on your own
trough practice before beginning a serious project. As a matter of fact, you
might get much more out of a welding course if you already have experimented
with the welding process. Of course, you may have to un-learn some mistakes.
Reading helps, especially in diagnosing poor welds; but as they say: practice,
practice and practice some more before working on anything important. Stick
and MIG is kind of like walking a tightrope and juggling with one hand at the
same time.
Gas welding adds another dimension. Got to push the bubble around and occasionally
feed rod like walking the tightrope and juggling with two hands.
TIG welding adds a third dimension (foot pedal). Got to walk the tightrope, juggle
with two hands and a foot and HOP across the tightrope. Seriously, you need
all of your gas welding skills down before learning TIG. A trade school should
work well to see if you really want to invest in the equipment.
MIG vs TIG
Another aspect is that MIG lays down welding wire rapidly. Too rapid for welding
small thin 4130 tubing unless you know what you are dong. Often you can get
a good looking weld bead but in reality the bead is just sitting on top with
little penetration. MIG is great for stock car roll bars and general welding,
is fast, requires little clean-up, is a lot of fun and requires much less skill
than TIG. With MIG, I like to weave a bit to get as much heat into the joint
as I dare to insure penetration. MIG (&TIG) also has the advantage of being
able to join thick materials with thin (difficult with stick or gas welding).
In trying to weld small round tubing joints with MIG, you are going to have
lots of stops and starts and that is where problems arise.
Because of the extra skills, time and equipment investment required, it would probably
be better to gas weld your aircraft project.
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Jerry King
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| Subject: | Should you give up flying ? |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
http://www.freebrainagegames.com/done.html
Only take the test once, that's your final score.
Have you killed too many brain Cells in your youth ?
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
Mark Twain
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| From: | Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Should you give up flying ? |
No offense intended, but why is this on the KOLB list?
Thom Riddle
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| From: | Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Should you give up flying ? |
Dennis,
Aren't you the guy the other day that said "yeah, we need to keep things on this
list "flying related"?
How is your email clutter Kolb related, much less 'flying related'? You might
need to review
the Matronics rules.
Please feel free to exclude me from you non-Kolb related posts. Thank you, and
have a nice day.
Mike Welch
MkIII, and no, the weather is not hot.
On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Dennis Thate wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Should you give up flying ? |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
Who in heck wants to know the truth; certainly no pilots or politicians.
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Jerry King
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| Subject: | Re: Compass mount in your nice Kolbra... |
| From: | "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net> |
thanks,
I did not recover it, this is the way I bought it and from speaking with the previous
owner this is the original paint and fabric. I am not sure how the compass
is held there, I think there is a bolt thru it but I will check. I am going
from memory but I want to say it is number 11, 3rd quarter of 2002.
Travis Bennett
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| Subject: | Re: Should you give up flying ? |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
[Wink] If the shoe fits !
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
Mark Twain
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | A day of fun, 8.11.11 |
Hi List,
After what seemed like forever with the hot, humid, thunderstorms type
of weather, last Thursday was truly gorgeous. Gary, who I met after he
recently inquired on the list about a place to house his FireStar, met
me up at the strip and took some pix of me setting my FlagFly up and
some videos. The only one I was aware of him taking was when he stopped
me to snap a shot when I was leaving for my first flight.
The beautiful day did provide me with a 15 - 20 kt. crosswind so I had
to pay attention when taking off. If you play the landing video, you
come in over power lines and drop down into a hollow between the trees
and land up a grade of about 8 - 10%. The threshold is past the trees,
since there are rotting stumps and roots where the trees were cleared
for the approach.
After my first flight Gary, Bubba (my Black Lab who waits in the pickup)
and I went out for lunch. Then he left and I flew to Blairstown (NJ)
Airport and had delicious homemade Zucchini cake with maple icing and
coffee for dessert in a little diner at the airport, all for a little
more than three bucks.
Here's the link to the pix and videos Gary took. Thanks, Gary!!!
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
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| Subject: | KOLB Gathering .... |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY IN GATHERING or what ever you're
flying at the time the weekend of the 17th,18th and 19th of AUGUST ,2012...with
Saturday being the BIG day...camping at the airport or there is a motel at
end of the runway 34 . I was thinking hot dogs Friday night after arrival,a
fly out for breakfast Saturday morning,dinner provided Saturday night and donuts
and coffee Sunday morning before departure....is anybody interested???
This would be at Houghton Lake State Airport , 5Y2...2750 feet sod runway.
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru 210.00 hrs
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: KOLB Gathering .... |
| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Is this Michigan? would be good to know --
On Aug 16, 2011, at 4:21 PM, ces308 wrote:
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> Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY IN GATHERING or what ever you're
flying at the time the weekend of the 17th,18th and 19th of AUGUST ,2012...with
Saturday being the BIG day...camping at the airport or there is a motel
at end of the runway 34 . I was thinking hot dogs Friday night after arrival,a
fly out for breakfast Saturday morning,dinner provided Saturday night and donuts
and coffee Sunday morning before departure....is anybody interested???
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Sorry....5Y2 is in Michigan....35 mi east of Cadillac,in the northern center of
the state...look for the BIG lake in the center of the state...we are on the
west side....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru
N327CS
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: KOLB Gathering .... |
Any time an airstrip/airport code is given (5Y2 in this case), you can go h
ere and punch it in for the exact location:
http://www.airnav.com/airports/
--- On Tue, 8/16/11, russ kinne wrote:
From: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: KOLB Gathering ....
Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2011, 7:48 PM
Is this Michigan? would be good to know --
On Aug 16, 2011, at 4:21 PM, ces308 wrote:
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> Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY IN GATHERING or what eve
r you're flying at the time the weekend of the 17th,18th and 19th of AUGUST
,2012...with Saturday being the BIG day...camping at the airport or there
is a motel at end of the runway 34 . I was thinking hot dogs Friday night a
fter arrival,a fly out for breakfast Saturday morning,dinner provided Satur
day night and donuts and coffee Sunday morning before departure....is anybo
dy interested???
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> M3X/Jabiru- - 210.00 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: KOLB Gathering .... |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
That flight along Lake Superior to Houghton Penninsula would be spectacular. Has
that Lake Effect record snow fall ended already! [Wink]
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the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
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| Subject: | Re: A day of fun, 8.11.11 |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Loved it ! Thanks for the post, great paint scheme. :)
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the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
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| Subject: | Re: [KOLB] Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY... |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Chris
I changed this to the whole Kolb list. Sounds like fun. I have been meaning
to pop over to the middle of the state to see you but....
Don't meant to step on your idea but I have been also thinking of a second
annual fly the lake(Lake Michigan) and sand dunes flyin at Hart-Shelby,
Oceana County Michigan (C04). Camping on the grounds is OK with the airport
manager if a large group drops in. If only 3-4 fly in you are all welcome a
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my house. Last year we did this in September. Early to mid month would be
best and we can work around weather and your schedules. The airport manger
said he would call the local paper and they would send a reporter out if we
had a group show up.
There is no reason we can't do both. Is anyone interested.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: [KOLB] Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY... |
| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
Rick....
Sounds like fun...I missed it last year and I'm hoping I can make it this year...I'm
afraid though I have only 1 weekend off in Sept...the last weekend..the
30th...but keep me informed...I'll see what I can do..
chris ambrose M3X
N327CS
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Hi Chris..
I will plan on being there...and will get all the Kolb guys here in
Michigan and others I can....will be a fun time....and a nice part of
Michigan....you guys out of state need to consider this....the area around Houghton
Lake is a nice area....I already have it marked on my calendar....was a
good idea Chris...
Jim Swan Kolb Firestar ll, 503 Rotax , 6147 Wilcox Rd., Eaton Rapids, Mi
48827 ph 517-663-8488 GPS GPS FOR MY RUNWAY N 42 deg 28.581 W084deg 44.825
In a message dated 8/16/2011 8:04:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Sorry....5Y2 is in Michigan....35 mi east of Cadillac,in the northern
center of the state...look for the BIG lake in the center of the state...we are
on the west side....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru
N327CS
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| Subject: | Re: Should you give up flying ? |
| From: | "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com> |
We like Kolbs and jokes...
Actually... we keep it pretty loose.... not much for Rules or whiners
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kolb_Firestar/
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It was sad to pop in and see the same old "pile on"
Oh well....
That's why I've moved on...
Haven't seen a post from John H in a while...
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A day of fun, 8.11.11 |
Gosh! Just checked the link and found it just took me to the landing
video. You can see all the pix and vids that Gary took if you go to:
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg273/thumbs47/Daves%20Field/
There, that's better. Enjoy your day; mine's another beaut so I'll be
riding the FlagFly around again today.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
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Here's the link to the pix and videos Gary took. Thanks, Gary!!!
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
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| From: | Stephen Spence <sspence801(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: KOLB Gathering .... |
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AUGUST =0A,2012...with Saturday being the BIG day...camping at the airport
or there is a =0Amotel at end of the runway 34 . I was thinking hot dogs F
riday night after =0Aarrival,a fly out for breakfast Saturday morning,dinne
r provided Saturday night =0Aand donuts and coffee Sunday morning before de
parture....is anybody =0Ainterested???=0A=0AThis would be at Houghton Lake
State Airport , 5Y2...2750 feet sod runway.=0A=0Achris ambrose=0AM3X/Jabiru
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| From: | Stephen Spence <sspence801(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [KOLB] Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB |
FLY...
Rick:=0A=0ALove to be a part of that trip, will depend on how new house at
Lakes of the =0ANorth (4Y4) is coming along as well as move in.=0A=0ASteve
Spence=0Aformerly Mk3X=0Acurrent Rans S7-S=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0AFrom: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@m
atronics.com=0ASent: Tue, August 16, 2011 9:28:00 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List:
Re: [KOLB] Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB =0AFLY...=0A=0AChri
s =0A=0AI changed this to the whole Kolb list. Sounds like fun. I have been
meaning to =0Apop over to the middle of the state to see you but....=0A=0A
Don't meant to step on your idea but I have been also thinking of a second
=0Aannual fly the lake(Lake Michigan) and sand dunes flyin at Hart-Shelby,
Oceana =0ACounty Michigan (C04). Camping on the grounds is OK with the airp
ort manager if =0Aa large group drops in. If only 3-4 fly in you are all we
lcome at my house. Last =0Ayear we did this in September. Early to mid mont
h would be best and we can work =0Aaround weather and your schedules. The a
irport manger said he would call the =0Alocal paper and they would send a r
eporter out if we had a group show up. -=0A=0AThere is no reason we can't
do both. Is anyone-interested.=0A=0ARick Neilsen=0ARedrive VW Powered MK
IIIC-=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Chris Ambrose =0A wrote:=0A=0AChris Ambrose posted in KOL
B.=0A> Chris Ambrose 4:02pm Aug 16 =0A>Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of havi
ng a KOLB FLY IN GATHERING or what ever =0A>you're flying at the time the w
eekend of the 17th,18th and 19th of AUGUST =0A>,2012...with Saturday being
the BIG day...camping at the airport or there is a =0A>motel at end of the
runway 34 . I was thinking hot dogs Friday night after =0A>arrival,a fly ou
t for breakfast Saturday morning,dinner provided Saturday night =0A>and don
uts and coffee Sunday morning before departure....is anybody =0A>interested
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| From: | "John Bickham" <gearbender(at)bellsouth.net> |
I would suggest:
http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/index.html
Look under "TIG" welding section and "Welding 4130" section.
There is a lot of info here. A bit of advertising and products too.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that
I have the greatest respect for.
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| From: | "SS568" <david(at)PaulowniaTrees.com> |
Excellent advice there Mr. Cowan. I have been doing farm welding for 40 plus years.
I would not weld anything and then get into it and fly.
With that said , do kit type planes such as a Kolb require welding by the purchaser
of such kits?
David d.
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
With that said , do kit type planes such as a Kolb require welding by the
purchaser of such kits?
David d.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
no and yes.. if you build to plans and need no modifications to meet
your special needs,, the answer is no. as for my mkiii,,, i used
different seats, and had to weld in some brackets to hold my seats, if you
dont know how or are not comfortable welding,,,, find a good welder and
pay him for the work you need... make sure he knows it is on thin wall
tubing, and make sure he is comfortable, if not find someone different. i
just went over 700 hours and all is well.
boyd young
mkiii utah
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| Subject: | Re: Should you give up flying ? |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
planecrazzzy wrote:
> We like Kolbs and jokes...
>
> Actually... we keep it pretty loose.... not much for Rules or whiners
> .
> .
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/
> .
> .
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kolb_Firestar/
> .
> .
> It was sad to pop in and see the same old "pile on"
>
> Oh well....
> That's why I've moved on...
>
> Haven't seen a post from John H in a while...
>
>
> .
> .
What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains
and is immortal. Albert Pine
Thanks for the invite planecrazy, ....every forum has the same inconsiderable
issues. No big deal !
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
Mark Twain
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
A big thanks to all the welding gurus. I appreciate every single post; all
the pics and videos and answers. Fascinating stuff.
I decided on the Victor Firepower Oxy/Acetylene kit and placed my order fro
m WeldingSupply.com at what I believe are great prices (after much web surf
ing):
https://weldingsupply.securesites.com/cgi-bin/browsecatalogs.pl
0384-2551 - FirePower Heavy/Medium Duty $149.38
WES317 - 520 tank to 510 reg $9.99
WES324 - 200 tank to 510 reg $9.99
WES61 - 300 tank to 510 reg $4.95
This will allow hooking up the CGA-510 reg to most of the various Acetylene
tanks available. Now I just need to find tanks to rent in my area.
Phil H.
--- On Tue, 8/16/11, racerjerry wrote:
From: racerjerry <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2011, 10:56 AM
Stick welding and MIG is relatively easy and you can probably learn on your
own trough practice before beginning a serious project.=C2- As a matter
of fact, you might get much more out of a welding course if you already hav
e experimented with the welding process.=C2- Of course, you may have to u
n-learn some mistakes.=C2- Reading helps, especially in diagnosing poor w
elds; but as they say: practice, practice and practice some more before wor
king on anything important.=C2- Stick and MIG is kind of like walking a t
ightrope and juggling with one hand at the same time.=C2-
Gas welding adds another dimension.=C2- Got to push the =C3=A2=82=AC
=CB=9Cbubble=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2 around and occasionally feed rod =C3
=A2=82=AC=9C like walking the tightrope and juggling with two hand
s.
TIG welding adds a third dimension (foot pedal).=C2- Got to walk the tigh
trope, juggle with two hands and a foot and HOP across the tightrope.=C2-
Seriously, you need all of your gas welding skills down before learning TI
G.=C2- A trade school should work well to see if you really want to inves
t in the equipment.=C2-
MIG vs TIG
Another aspect is that MIG lays down welding wire rapidly.=C2- Too rapid
for welding small thin 4130 tubing unless you know what you are dong.=C2-
Often you can get a good looking weld bead but in reality the bead is just
sitting on top with little penetration.=C2- MIG is great for stock car r
oll bars and general welding, is fast, requires little clean-up, is a lot o
f fun and requires much less skill than TIG.=C2- With MIG, I like to weav
e a bit to get as much heat into the joint as I dare to insure penetration.
=C2- MIG (&TIG) also has the advantage of being able to join thick materi
als with thin (difficult with stick or gas welding).=C2- In trying to wel
d small round tubing joints with MIG, you are going to have lots of stops a
nd starts and that is where problems arise.
Because of the extra skills, time and equipment investment required, it wou
ld probably be better to gas weld your aircraft project.
--------
Jerry King
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
Do you mean to say that your wife does not allow you to enjoy cooking,
not to mention the satisfaction derived from washing dishes? >.
Not only that. I make a point not to deprive her of scrubbing the
floors, cleaning the windows or carrying the logs in (and chopping them)
Pat
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
For aircraft use you want a lightweight set. I have been using the same
old Smith aircraft set for over 35 years.
I do use industrial, large size regulators though.
BB
On 17, Aug 2011, at 2:01 PM, Phil wrote:
> A big thanks to all the welding gurus. I appreciate every single post;
all the pics and videos and answers. Fascinating stuff.
>
> I decided on the Victor Firepower Oxy/Acetylene kit and placed my
order from WeldingSupply.com at what I believe are great prices (after
much web surfing):
>
> https://weldingsupply.securesites.com/cgi-bin/browsecatalogs.pl
> 0384-2551 - FirePower Heavy/Medium Duty $149.38
> WES317 - 520 tank to 510 reg $9.99
> WES324 - 200 tank to 510 reg $9.99
> WES61 - 300 tank to 510 reg $4.95
>
> This will allow hooking up the CGA-510 reg to most of the various
Acetylene tanks available. Now I just need to find tanks to rent in my
area.
>
> Phil H.
>
>
> --- On Tue, 8/16/11, racerjerry wrote:
>
> From: racerjerry <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2011, 10:56 AM
>
>
> Stick welding and MIG is relatively easy and you can probably learn on
your own trough practice before beginning a serious project. As a
matter of fact, you might get much more out of a welding course if you
already have experimented with the welding process. Of course, you may
have to un-learn some mistakes. Reading helps, especially in diagnosing
poor welds; but as they say: practice, practice and practice some more
before working on anything important. Stick and MIG is kind of like
walking a tightrope and juggling with one hand at the same time.
>
> Gas welding adds another dimension. Got to push the =98bubble
=99 around and occasionally feed rod =93 like walking the
tightrope and juggling with two hands.
>
> TIG welding adds a third dimension (foot pedal). Got to walk the
tightrope, juggle with two hands and a foot and HOP across the
tightrope. Seriously, you need all of your gas welding skills down
before learning TIG. A trade school should work well to see if you
really want to invest in the equipment.
>
> MIG vs TIG
> Another aspect is that MIG lays down welding wire rapidly. Too rapid
for welding small thin 4130 tubing unless you know what you are dong.
Often you can get a good looking weld bead but in reality the bead is
just sitting on top with little penetration. MIG is great for stock car
roll bars and general welding, is fast, requires little clean-up, is a
lot of fun and requires much less skill than TIG. With MIG, I like to
weave a bit to get as much heat into the joint as I dare to insure
penetration. MIG (&TIG) also has the advantage of being able to join
thick materials with thin (difficult with stick or gas welding). In
trying to weld small round tubing joints with MIG, you are going to have
lots of stops and starts and that is where problems arise.
>
> Because of the extra skills, time and equipment investment required,
it would probably be better to gas weld your aircraft project.
>
> --------
> Jerry King
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349638#349638http://www.matr
onip; -Matt Draronics.com/contribution" ======
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com> |
FYI....
I bought this mig welder from Harbor Freight this summer on sale for $179.00....the
stand was $49.00 ...This welder welds beautiful ! You won't find anything
this nice for this kind of money...tank and gages are extra...
Welds with gas or with the flux core wire....just change wire and power leads....I
did add a 25' cord too....
just something to consider....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru
N327CS
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| From: | "Beauford " <beauford173(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Muffler & Header paint |
Kolbers:
Looking through the archives for clues about what folks are using on their
mufflers/headers for the Rotax
2-strokes, there seems to be a split between the ceramic coating camp and
those who sand-blast
and repaint every couple of years.
Have decided I will do the latter (again), but would like to get a better
paint than I was able to find for
the previous two cycles.. Both were rattle-can "hi-temp header"
concoctions from auto parts stores. Neither
lasted very long on the Rotax muffler/header.
Has anyone come across a decent hi-temp paint that will stay on these parts
long enough to be worth putting on them?
Would prefer quart cans, but will do spray cans if necessary.
Thankee fer yer time.
Rusty, cheap 'ol beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
- Chris- Nice knowing that brand does work.- A couple of friends- years
ago- bought the cheap Chinese angle grinders.- They got 10 minutes out o
f them, never to run again.- I have the Harbor Freight electronic helmet.
- Utterly reliable, and $39 on sale.- The electronic helmet is great fo
r MIG work. -With the Chinese stuff, I guess you have to spec it out exac
tly for them to make it.- otherwise, it will just look like the tool and
not work like it.
-
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------------------- Bill Sullivan
--- On Wed, 8/17/11, ces308 wrote:
From: ces308 <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding?
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 3:22 PM
FYI....
I bought this mig welder from Harbor Freight this summer on sale for $179.0
0....the stand was $49.00 ...This welder welds beautiful- ! You won't fin
d anything this nice for this kind of money...tank and gages are extra...
Welds with gas or with the flux core wire....just change wire and power lea
ds....I did add a 25' cord too....
just something to consider....
chris ambrose
M3X/Jabiru
N327CS
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Muffler & Header paint |
I used the Hi temp stove flat black paint. I think the key is stove not
header. I believe that it is supposed to be good to 13 to 1400 degrees.
Of course one must allow windage for elderly memory of a 100 or so
degrees. I put it on my HKS muffler 135 hours ago and I do not see any
problems as yet. My EGTS are best at 1330 degrees. Its cheap enough to
do every year.
Larry
Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history,
which includes my email address.
----- Original Message -----
From: Beauford
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:00 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Muffler & Header paint
Kolbers:
Looking through the archives for clues about what folks are using on
their mufflers/headers for the Rotax
2-strokes, there seems to be a split between the ceramic coating camp
and those who sand-blast
and repaint every couple of years.
Have decided I will do the latter (again), but would like to get a
better paint than I was able to find for
the previous two cycles.. Both were rattle-can "hi-temp header"
concoctions from auto parts stores. Neither
lasted very long on the Rotax muffler/header.
Has anyone come across a decent hi-temp paint that will stay on these
parts long enough to be worth putting on them?
Would prefer quart cans, but will do spray cans if necessary.
Thankee fer yer time.
Rusty, cheap 'ol beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | "kolbaircraft" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
Well I don't know what you mean still . The Kolbra is one well thought of machine.
I have so many folks wanting to build the Kolbra 2 place aircraft.
Almost all of the Kolbras have won Grand Champion awards at Oshkosh.
To each his own I guess. I sure have never been told the Kolbra looks cobbled
up. What ever you mean. I could care less.
Travis
Kolb CO
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Muffler & Header paint |
I agree I used the flat black barbecue paint each spring and one can lasted
about 5 years=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisab
led from crash building Firefly=0A=0AFrom: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gm
ail.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5
:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Muffler & Header paint=0A=0A=0A =0AI used
the Hi temp stove flat black paint. I think the key =0Ais stove not header.
I believe that it is supposed to be good to =C2-13 to =0A1400 degrees. O
f course one must allow windage for elderly memory of a 100 or so =0Adegree
s. I put it on my HKS muffler 135 hours ago and I do not see =0Aany=C2-pr
oblems as yet. My EGTS are best at 1330 degrees. Its cheap enough to =0Ado
every year. =0ALarry =0A=C2- =0ANote: If you forward this email, please d
elete the forwarding history, =0Awhich includes my email address. =0A-----
Original Message ----- =0A>From: Beauford =0A>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
=0A>Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:00 PM =0A>Subject: Kolb-List: Muf
fler & Header paint =0A>=0A> =0A>Kolbers: =0A>=C2- =0A>Looking through
the archives for clues about what folks are using on their mufflers/header
s for the Rotax =0A>2-strokes, there seems to be a split between the ceram
ic coating camp and those who sand-blast =0A>and repaint every couple of
years. =0A>=C2- =0A>Have decided I will do the latter (again), but would
like to get a better paint than I was able to find for =0A>the previous
two cycles..=C2-=C2- Both were rattle-can =9Chi-temp header
=9D concoctions from auto parts stores.=C2- Neither =0A>lasted very lon
g on the Rotax muffler/header. =0A>=C2- =0A>Has anyone come across a dec
ent hi-temp paint that will stay on these parts long enough to be worth pu
tting on them? =0A>Would prefer quart cans, but will do spray cans if nece
ssary. =0A>=C2- =0A>Thankee fer yer time. =C2- =0A>=C2- =0A>Rusty, c
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
Travis, Sorry if I insulted you, you-should know how much I believe in Ko
lbs ! I just dont care for the lines of a Kolbra only a matter of taste the
Kolbra probly flys as wonderful as all Kolbs!I certanlly dont want to star
t a pissing contest- !! your friend Chris=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 4
92 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0AFrom: kol
baircraft =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.co
m=0ASent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:16 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: I li
upport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com>=0A=0AWell I don't know what you mean still . The
Kolbra is one well thought of machine.=0AI have so many folks wanting to b
uild the Kolbra 2 place aircraft.=0AAlmost all of the Kolbras have won Gran
d Champion awards at Oshkosh.=0ATo each his own I guess. I sure have never
been told the Kolbra looks cobbled up. What ever you mean. I could care les
s.=0A=0ATravis=0AKolb CO=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Aht
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| From: | Gary Thacker <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | A day of fun, 8.11.11 |
Your very welcome Dave. Sorry they really aren't great videos but I think
everyone can get the idea. And thank you for your help telling me of possi
ble hanger space at your field. Development closed my field down and I hav
e to move.
Anyway I had a great time that day also. Looks like we may be seeing quite
a bit of each other. LOL I hope.
Gary
Souderton=2C Pa.
Date: Wed=2C 17 Aug 2011 08:02:16 -0400
From: undoctor(at)ptd.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: A day of fun=2C 8.11.11
Gosh! Just checked the link and found it just took me to the
landing video. You can see all the pix and vids that Gary took if
you go to:
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg273/thumbs47/Daves%20Field/
There=2C that's better. Enjoy your day=3B mine's another beaut so I'll
be riding the FlagFly around again today.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem=2C PA
FireFly 11DMK
Here's the link to the pix and videos Gary took. Thanks=2C Gary!!!
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem=2C PA
FireFly 11DMK
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg273/thumbs47/Daves%20Field/?acti
on=view¤t=DSCN0594.mp4
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| Subject: | Re: I like pictures |
| From: | "kolbaircraft" <customersupport(at)tnkolbaircraft.com> |
Well I sure don't either.
All I know is the Kolbra serves as a 2 place trainer that is well thought of
all around the world. The Kolbra helps us to stay alive and be there for everyone
when we are needed.
I sure respect your opinion and every one else.
Please just get that Fire Fly in the Air.
Travis
Kolb CO.
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| Subject: | Re: Should you give up flying ? |
| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
Dennis
Glad to see you come back to "visit" occasionally.
John H posted on 8/14, 7/10 and 5/11. He's been driving some of is big trips.
Fair winds,
Russ K
On Aug 17, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Dennis Thate wrote:
>
>
> planecrazzzy wrote:
>> We like Kolbs and jokes...
>>
>> Actually... we keep it pretty loose.... not much for Rules or whiners
>> .
>> .
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/
>> .
>> .
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kolb_Firestar/
>> .
>> .
>> It was sad to pop in and see the same old "pile on"
>>
>> Oh well....
>> That's why I've moved on...
>>
>> Haven't seen a post from John H in a while...
>>
>>
>> .
>> .
>
>
>
>
> What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains
and is immortal. Albert Pine
>
> Thanks for the invite planecrazy, ....every forum has the same inconsiderable
issues. No big deal !
>
> --------
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>
> Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
> Mark Twain
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349769#349769
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Should you give up flying ? |
| From: | russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> |
List, once again, my apologies. I told my confuser to "reply" to Dennis' email,
and instead it sent it to the List. It knows who's boss.
Russ K
On Aug 17, 2011, at 8:38 PM, russ kinne wrote:
>
> Dennis
> Glad to see you come back to "visit" occasionally.
> John H posted on 8/14, 7/10 and 5/11. He's been driving some of is big trips.
> Fair winds,
> Russ K
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>> planecrazzzy wrote:
>>> We like Kolbs and jokes...
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>>> Actually... we keep it pretty loose.... not much for Rules or whiners
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>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/
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>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kolb_Firestar/
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>>> It was sad to pop in and see the same old "pile on"
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>>> Oh well....
>>> That's why I've moved on...
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>>> Haven't seen a post from John H in a while...
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>> What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains
and is immortal. Albert Pine
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>> Thanks for the invite planecrazy, ....every forum has the same inconsiderable
issues. No big deal !
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>> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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>> Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
>> Mark Twain
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: KOLB Gathering .... |
I second that I typed in his airport name into Google and realized that its another
place too far away from Arizona.
Seems like all the action is out on the east coast or thereabout's give or take
a few Longitudes.
Gotta get to Florida seems like there is a lot of flying fun in that part of the
world. Are there any Kolbers around the Miami area give or take some miles?
Ron @ KFHU
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---- russ kinne wrote:
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Is this Michigan? would be good to know --
On Aug 16, 2011, at 4:21 PM, ces308 wrote:
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> Ok Kolbers....I am thinking of having a KOLB FLY IN GATHERING or what ever you're
flying at the time the weekend of the 17th,18th and 19th of AUGUST ,2012...with
Saturday being the BIG day...camping at the airport or there is a motel
at end of the runway 34 . I was thinking hot dogs Friday night after arrival,a
fly out for breakfast Saturday morning,dinner provided Saturday night and donuts
and coffee Sunday morning before departure....is anybody interested???
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> This would be at Houghton Lake State Airport , 5Y2...2750 feet sod runway.
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> chris ambrose
> M3X/Jabiru 210.00 hrs
> N327CS
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kugelair.com
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| From: | "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
Hey Pat does your wife have a sister? I may be interested in taking her off your
hands if she hangs around your house and on your dime (quids), hard to find
good broads in Arizona you know.
Ron @ KFHU
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---- Pat Ladd wrote:
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Do you mean to say that your wife does not allow you to enjoy cooking, not to mention
the satisfaction derived from washing dishes? >.
Not only that. I make a point not to deprive her of scrubbing the floors, cleaning
the windows or carrying the logs in (and chopping them)
Pat
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kugelair.com
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Muffler & Header paint |
In a message dated 8/17/2011 3:04:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
beauford173(at)verizon.net writes:
Kolbers:
Looking through the archives for clues about what folks are using on their
mufflers/headers for the Rotax
2-strokes, there seems to be a split between the ceramic coating camp and
those who sand-blast
and repaint every couple of years.
Have decided I will do the latter (again), but would like to get a better
paint than I was able to find for
the previous two cycles.. Both were rattle-can =9Chi-temp header
=9D
concoctions from auto parts stores. Neither
lasted very long on the Rotax muffler/header.
Has anyone come across a decent hi-temp paint that will stay on these
parts long enough to be worth putting on them?
Would prefer quart cans, but will do spray cans if necessary.
Thankee fer yer time.
Rusty, cheap =98ol beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Muffler & Header paint |
Bro. Beauford,
The best I have found is VHT very high temperature Flame Proof
Header paint 1300*---- 2000*. Just have to look through the local auto supply
stores til you find it.
Ed Diebel FF 62
In a message dated 8/17/2011 3:04:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, beaufor
d173(at)verizon.net writes:
Looking through the archives for clues about what folks are using on their
mufflers/headers for the Rotax
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ??? |
August 02, 2011 - August 18, 2011
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