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Hey Pat does your wife have a sister? Hi Ron, Yeah she does but I can`t let her go. Who would feed the stock and drive the mule? Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2011
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: KOLB Gathering ....
At 10:48 PM 8/17/2011, Ron @ KFHU wrote: >Seems like all the action is out on the east coast or thereabout's give or >take a few Longitudes. > Gotta get to Florida seems like there is a lot of flying fun in that > part of the world. Are there any Kolbers around the Miami area give or > take some miles? Hah! I'm on the east coast (CT) and my complaint is that all the fly-ins are out west! -Dana -- Why are there Interstate highways in Hawaii? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Muffler & Header paint
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
I use John Deere hi-temp muffler paint and it is better than some, but they are real proud of it, it's pricey. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) -------- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349845#349845 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2011
From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Prop spinner advantages on a pusher ???
You got a point there, it was a long shot. Ron @ KFHU ================ ---- Pat Ladd wrote: ============ Hey Pat does your wife have a sister? Hi Ron, Yeah she does but I can`t let her go. Who would feed the stock and drive the mule? Cheers Pat -- kugelair.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2011
From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: KOLB Gathering ....
Okay I know what it is; it's the grass is greener syndrome. Ron @ KFHU ---- Dana Hague wrote: ============ At 10:48 PM 8/17/2011, Ron @ KFHU wrote: >Seems like all the action is out on the east coast or thereabout's give or >take a few Longitudes. > Gotta get to Florida seems like there is a lot of flying fun in that > part of the world. Are there any Kolbers around the Miami area give or > take some miles? Hah! I'm on the east coast (CT) and my complaint is that all the fly-ins are out west! -Dana -- Why are there Interstate highways in Hawaii? -- kugelair.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Oil and fuel
From: "thumbs" <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
I posted this on the Rotax forum but didn't get a response. Pretty sure I will here though. LOL I have a 97(I think) 503 dual carb Rotax oil injected with about 50 hr on it. As I remember Pennsoil two stroke was the oil to use when I last flew. What are you guys using now? Is it still the best and is it still available? Also what fuel are your guys using? Are you guys using premium pump gas? Can you get gas without ethanol in it or is that ok anyway? I read somewhere that one of the causes of engine outs is ethanol in the fuel. Is this right? thanks for the help -------- Gary Souderton, Pa. Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349856#349856 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Arksey(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 18, 2011
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
Garry, I also have a Rotax 503....i use pennsoil air cooled 2cycle oil and 87 octane auto gas....have had no problems and I burn a lot of it...so I dont let the gas get old...best thing is to fly often....jim swan Jim Swan Kolb Firestar ll, 503 Rotax , 6147 Wilcox Rd., Eaton Rapids, Mi 48827 ph 517-663-8488 GPS GPS FOR MY RUNWAY N 42 deg 28.581 W084deg 44.825 In a message dated 8/18/2011 11:48:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gbthacker(at)hotmail.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "thumbs" I posted this on the Rotax forum but didn't get a response. Pretty sure I will here though. LOL I have a 97(I think) 503 dual carb Rotax oil injected with about 50 hr on it. As I remember Pennsoil two stroke was the oil to use when I last flew. What are you guys using now? Is it still the best and is it still available -------- Gary Souderton, Pa. Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349856#349856 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2011
From: Lanny Fetterman <donaho1(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Oil and fuel
Gary, I won`t address what the best oil and fuel combination is, because I don`t know that answer. I will tell you what I use. Yes, you can still buy Pennzoil air cooled oil, which is what I use. It is only sold in 8 oz bottles now, where as it was available in 16 oz bottles in the past. I use 92 octane fuel from a local gas station. It does contain 10% ethanol. So far so good. I did put a gascolator in my fuel system so I could check for water in my fuel tanks. So far I have never found any water due to separation in my fuel. I also add marine fuel stabilizer to all my fuel. Some people think it is only snake oil, but it seems to work for me. For the price, I figure why not. On another note, at the end of each flying season I drain all the fuel out of my tanks and use it in my weed whips and chain saws. (50:1 as I had to remove my oil injector to install my electric starter) I just finished that left over fuel yesterday. It was about eight months old and still smelled fresh and my small two strokes ran fine. Is that due to the stabilizer I add? I like to think so. One more note. Last night there was an experimental airplane crash near Scranton Pa. about 60 miles from where I live. The private pilot was on his first flight in what looked like a Drifter. Witnesses said they heard the engine running rough then quit, then restart. The plane went down in a wooded area, the pilot was taken to the hospital where he passed away. Everyone fly safely out there, including myself. http://pahomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=196107 Lanny N598LF FSII Numidia Pa. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2011
From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
I flew a Cuyana 430 not long ago I used premium unleaded which had 10% ethanol, and also used syntec 2 cycle oil from Walmart. Motor was smooth and nice. I have also used it in my 2 cycle Yamaha motorcycle, the synthetic stuff was always much better than the regular mineral oil types. I think the most important thing is the mix ratio, make sure you are never too lean in oil ratio. I in fact I always run it a bit rich in terms oil. I think it was asking for 50/1 I was using 40/1 ratio. Have no idea what the EGT's looked like as I had no instruments. As for the ethanol my unscientific observation is that it did nothing bad, and probably made the motor run a bit cooler as it has less oomph per volume and a higher octane. Ron @ KFHU =========== ---- thumbs wrote: ============ I posted this on the Rotax forum but didn't get a response. Pretty sure I will here though. LOL I have a 97(I think) 503 dual carb Rotax oil injected with about 50 hr on it. As I remember Pennsoil two stroke was the oil to use when I last flew. What are you guys using now? Is it still the best and is it still available? Also what fuel are your guys using? Are you guys using premium pump gas? Can you get gas without ethanol in it or is that ok anyway? I read somewhere that one of the causes of engine outs is ethanol in the fuel. Is this right? thanks for the help -------- Gary Souderton, Pa. Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349856#349856 -- kugelair.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 18, 2011
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
Pennsoil is good- I used it for two years, but IMO the very best is Citgo Sea & Snow for 2 stroke air cooled. Hard to get here in SC but worth the trouble. On a 503, you are wasting your money if you use premium gas [unless you have to buy premium to get ethanol-free]. 87 octane is fine; been using it for over 500 hrs. Yes, a 503 will run fine with ethanol in the gas, but it's effects are insidious. Over time, problems develope. If you must use it, I suggest you take measures as suggested on this forum. Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 8/18/2011 11:48:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gbthacker(at)hotmail.com writes: As I remember Pennsoil two stroke was the oil to use when I last flew. What are you guys using now? Is it still the best and is it still available? Also what fuel are your guys using? Are you guys using premium pump gas? Can you get gas without ethanol in it or is that ok anyway? I read somewhere that one of the causes of engine outs is ethanol in the fuel. Is this right? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
My Rotax 503 has always been on ; California Power Systems CPS AV-2 Blend -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349871#349871 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter(at)aol.com>
Subject: Firefly for sale
Date: Aug 18, 2011
I just put my firefly on Barnstormers. Turned 81 this year and just had my first engine out caused by the dumb pilot. Landed easily in a newly planted corn field. So I don't think I can fly safely anymore and it's time for it to go. It's been a grand 11 years. So if you know of someone who needs a Brian Milburn built Firefly, direct them to my Barnstormers ad. 25' Haulmark Trailer is included. Gene ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
Adding more oil than the manufacturer specifies is actually bad (Cuyuna specified 40:1 BTW so you were fine). More oil = less fuel/air ratio so the engine is actually running lean... which as we all know is bad. Kart racers actually use this to tune their engines when there's no time for a jet change. Of course more oil also means more chance of plug fouling. I still use the Pennzoil "2 stroke outdoor" (that's what they call it now), but they recently came out with a new "2 stroke aircraft" oil (which may be the same thing in a bigger bottle and with a bigger price). Whatever you use, it should be marked "API TC" (as Rotax specifies) and not "TC-W3" which is a marine spec, for oils optimized for the cooler running temperatures of a marine engine. -Dana "Ron @ KFHU" wrote: I flew a Cuyana 430 not long ago I used premium unleaded which had 10% ethanol, and also used syntec 2 cycle oil from Walmart. Motor was smooth and nice. I have also used it in my 2 cycle Yamaha motorcycle, the synthetic stuff was always much better than the regular mineral oil types. I think the most important thing is the mix ratio, make sure you are never too lean in oil ratio. I in fact I always run it a bit rich in terms oil. I think it was asking for 50/1 I was using 40/1 ratio. Have no idea what the EGT's looked like as I had no instruments. As for the ethanol my unscientific observation is that it did nothing bad, and probably made the motor run a bit cooler as it has less oomph per volume and a higher octane. Ron @ KFHU =========== ---- thumbs wrote: ============ I posted this on the Rotax forum but didn't get a response. Pretty sure I will here though. LOL I have a 97(I think) 503 dual carb Rotax oil injected with about 50 hr on it. As I remember Pennsoil two stroke was the oil to use when I last flew. What are you guys using now? Is it still the best and is it still available? Also what fuel are your guys using? Are you guys using premium pump gas? Can you get gas without ethanol in it or is that ok anyway? I read somewhere that one of the causes of engine outs is ethanol in the fuel. Is this right? thanks for the help -------- Gary Souderton, Pa. Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349856#349856 -- kugelair.com _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2011
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
As I published a while back after talking to a Shell tech rep, Pennzoil air cooled (Shell owns the Pennzoil brand) is not being produced anymore. The supply that is out there in the supply chain is all there is. The new Shell Two Stroke has Rotax written all over it. Not much doubt about whether its an approved oil. The big thing about API-TC and TC-W3 is that they are not compatible in injection systems. Put together they congeal. Rick Girard On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > Adding more oil than the manufacturer specifies is actually bad (Cuyuna > specified 40:1 BTW so you were fine). More oil = less fuel/air ratio so the > engine is actually running lean... which as we all know is bad. Kart race rs > actually use this to tune their engines when there's no time for a jet > change. > > Of course more oil also means more chance of plug fouling. > > I still use the Pennzoil "2 stroke outdoor" (that's what they call it now ), > but they recently came out with a new "2 stroke aircraft" oil (which may be > the same thing in a bigger bottle and with a bigger price). > > Whatever you use, it should be marked "API TC" (as Rotax specifies) and n ot > "TC-W3" which is a marine spec, for oils optimized for the cooler running > temperatures of a marine engine. > > -Dana > > "Ron @ KFHU" wrote: > >> >> I flew a Cuyana 430 not long ago I used premium unleaded which had 10% e thanol, and also used syntec 2 cycle oil from Walmart. Motor was smooth and nice. >> >> I have also used it in my 2 cycle Yamaha motorcycle, the synthetic stuff was always much better than the regular mineral oil types. I think the mos t important thing is the mix ratio, make sure you are never too lean in oil ratio. I in fact I always run it a bit rich in terms oil. I think it was a sking for 50/1 I was using 40/1 ratio. Have no idea what the EGT's looked l ike as I had no instruments. As for the ethanol my unscientific observation is that it did nothing bad, and probably made the motor run a bit cooler a s it has less oomph per volume and a higher octane. >> Ron @ KFHU >> >> =========== >> ---- thumbs >> wrote: >> >> ============ >> >> I posted this on the Rotax forum but didn't get a response. Pretty sure I will here though. LOL >> >> I have a 97(I think) 503 dual carb Rotax oil injected with about 50 hr o n it. As I remember Pennsoil two stroke was the oil to use when I last flew . What are you guys using now? Is it still the best and is it still availab le? >> >> >> Also what fuel are your guys using? Are you guys using premium pump gas? Can you get gas without ethanol in it or is that ok anyway? >> I read somewhere that one of the causes of engine outs is ethanol in the fuel. Is this right? >> >> thanks for the help >> >> -------- >> Gary >> Souderton, Pa. >> Firestar II >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> * >> =========== >> =========== =========== =========== >> >> * >> >> -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
Subject: AIR SHOW DISASTER ( not Kolb related )
AIR SHOW DISASTER Amazing photos show great detail.=A8=A8The pilot at low level had no control over his aircraft. It narrowly misses a crowd gathered for the airshow and slams into four buildings.=A8=A8O ne can only imagine the horror of the occupants inside those buildings. Graphic image! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
I tried Pennzoil for one season, worked great, but made a bigger mess on the airplane than Phillips Injex, so I went back to that. Been using Injex since 1983, both as pre-mix and as injected with no problems. If you cannot get Pennzoil, I would suggest Phillips Injex. Google it and see what the jet ski and snowmobile guys have to say about it as it is still readily available and the price is not out the roof. I try to avoid ethanol gas as it dissolves my epoxy gas tanks. If the feds and their subsidies (call your congressman and complain!) eventually end up putting ethanol in all our gas and I cannot get ethanol free gas any longer, then I will have to redo my gas tanks. I have personally seen premix with ethanol do weird things and cause problems. It is apparently ok to use up to 10% ethanol when you are running injected oil, but I would never use ethanol gas and premix. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) -------- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349901#349901 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: SIMPLE Weight and Balance Question
From: "Thumper" <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
I did not get the build manual when purchasing my Mark IIIC. Can someone send me a copy of theirs or at least a copy of the page that tells the weight and balance point in inches from the leading edge and the acceptable range? I previously had an Ultrastar and then a Firestar and if I remember right the IDEAL CG point in inches was 18" and the range was 12" to 23"??? What is it on the Mark III???? I am preparing my documents for the check ride. I am guessing my DPE will want to have something to compare my actual figures to. Thank You Dennis Long Oakland Tennessee dlong1957(at)yahoo.com -------- Dennis Long Oakland TN 1990 Kolb Firestar KX 80+ hours since June Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349902#349902 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Subject: video
Date: Aug 18, 2011
http://vimeo.com/27878704 I wanted to check the Alvord for its water level. I have never seen it wet this time of the year. I put the camera back on the pitot tube since I was getting more wave and vibration than I though I should. Perhaps I didn't tighten it down enough, since it was loose when I got home. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pilot weight for/aft CofG question
From: "Ger320" <ger320(at)telus.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
What are the upper and lower PILOT weight limits on a Firestar or a Firefly? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349903#349903 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: AIR SHOW DISASTER ( not Kolb related )
Date: Aug 18, 2011
OH ........THE HUMANITY.................... From: Eugene Zimmerman Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:51 PM Subject: Kolb-List: AIR SHOW DISASTER ( not Kolb related ) AIR SHOW DISASTER Amazing photos show great detail.=A8=A8The pilot at low level had no control over his aircraft. It narrowly misses a crowd gathered for the airshow and slams into four buildings.=A8=A8One can only imagine the horror of the occupants inside those buildings. Graphic image! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
From: "thumbs" <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
Thanks for all the help guys. I have been out of the loop for a few years. I am trying to get back into the air and have a lot of questions. First of all where can I get ethanol free gas? Is there a brand or a grade that is ethanol free? The next question is, as I understand it from the posts, I can use Pennsoil new 2 stroke oil in my oil injected engine using pump gas with ethanol. The possible problem comes if you premix right? Since the plane has been sitting for a while one of the things I want to do is replace the fuel lines, filter and prime bulb. I measured the od of the fuel line and it's 3/8". Can I use any fuel line? I was thinking the blue plastic stuff. I am guessing that would be fine. If not what should I use? I would also like to replace the "equalizer" tube on the carbs. Maybe not the right term but it is the tube that has the small hole in the bottom and runs from one side of the carb to the other. Is that a special tube or can I use any 1/8"od fuel line and put a small hole in the bottom? I plan to drain the oil res. and put in new oil. Since the engine not run for a while would it be smart to premix a gallon or so of fuel even with the oil injection system in operation just to make sure the first few minutes of running has plenty of oil at the beginning? I know to much oil is a no no but I only wanted to use the premix and oil injection for the first 5 or 10 minutes of running on the ground what do you guys think? thanks again for the help -------- Gary Souderton, Pa. Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349913#349913 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: SE Pa. trailering help
From: "thumbs" <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
I need to move my Firestar II from Royersford Pa. to Nazareth Pa. My mapping program says it's about 58 miles. Since the plane has not flown for a couple of years I would rather trailer it there than to fly it. Can anyone loan or rent a trailer to me so I can move the Firestar? I would have no problem with you moving it with me? I would be happy to work out some kind of payment for your time and equipment. I have a truck if that helps. My time frame is flexable. It doesn't have to be moved immediately. The field I have been using is no longer available due to development. Thanks for the help I appreciate it. -------- Gary Souderton, Pa. Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349914#349914 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2011
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
At 08:23 PM 8/18/2011, Richard Pike wrote: >I have personally seen premix with ethanol do weird things and cause >problems. It is apparently ok to use up to 10% ethanol when you are >running injected oil, but I would never use ethanol gas and premix. Not that ethanol is a good thing (in gasoline, the Scots do wonderful things with it:)), but I've been forced to run ethanol containing gas, premixed, for 10 years now... 5 years in my Kolb (Cuyuna engine) and 10 years in my PPGs. I've never had an internal engine failure of any kind (carb troubles and ignition problems, yes) in that time... and I've run premix stored (in sealed containers!) for 3 months and more. The biggest problem with ethanol (don't get me started on the corrupt politics involved!) is the effect on non metallic parts. Fiberglass fuel tanks made with polyester resin are a big problem. Rubber parts, (carburetor and fuel pump parts, fuel lines, and engine seals) can also be a problem... though most fuel system parts are alcohol resistant (to an extent) nowadays. The blue fuel line (to answer thumbs' question) holds up reasonably well, but replace it every two years at the most. -Dana -- Whiplash injuries: Research has shown that the rate of return to work was five times greater amongst those who did not see a lawyer compared with those who did. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AIR SHOW DISASTER ( not Kolb related )
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
You're out on thin ice on this post ! [Laughing] [Wink] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349917#349917 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: SIMPLE Weight and Balance Question
From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
Hey Dennis, Sounds like you and your new MkIII are getting along pretty good. Regarding your W & B question; =46rom my "TwinStar MkIII (March 1998 Ed.) (usually referred to as "C"), page 68 Weight & Balance, it says... CG should fall BETWEEN 25% TO 35% of the wing cord, otherwise known as 16.5" to 23.1" from the leading edge. Just for grins, it mentions that the front mounting tab for the wings are 18" back from the leading edge. If you want I could email you a really simple-to-use W & B spreadsheet that Boyd Young has shared with this list. All you do is plug in a few easy numbers that you measured, and presto..it does the cypherin'. Real nifty program. I did a couple of various weights for pilot's and fuel, etc. Hope this helps. Mike Welch MkIII N212MN On Aug 18, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Thumper wrote: > > I did not get the build manual when purchasing my Mark IIIC. Can someone send me a copy of theirs or at least a copy of the page that tells the weight and balance point in inches from the leading edge and the acceptable range? I previously had an Ultrastar and then a Firestar and if I remember right the IDEAL CG point in inches was 18" and the range was 12" to 23"??? What is it on the Mark III???? I am preparing my documents for the check ride. I am guessing my DPE will want to have something to compare my actual figures to. > Thank You > Dennis Long > Oakland > Tennessee > dlong1957(at)yahoo.com > > -------- > Dennis Long > Oakland TN > 1990 Kolb Firestar KX > 80+ hours since June > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: SIMPLE Weight and Balance Question
From: "Thumper" <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2011
Thanks Mike. I have several W&B spreadsheets that work well. I believe I have the one you suggested. Thanks for the dimensional verification, that is EXACTLY what I was looking for. I am getting along very well with the Mark III, I flew it to Oshkosh and back. First time flying there and it was great. I hope to see yours in the air soon. Dennis -------- Dennis Long Oakland TN 2001 Kolb Mark IIIC 110+ hours since March 2011 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349922#349922 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2011
From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: AIR SHOW DISASTER ( not Kolb related )
Yup I agree it was a crapy flight Ron @ KFHU ==================== ---- Eugene Zimmerman wrote: ============ AIR SHOW DISASTER Amazing photos show great detail.The pilot at low level had no control over his aircraft. It narrowly misses a crowd gathered for the airshow and slams into four buildings.One can only imagine the horror of the occupants inside those buildings. Graphic image! -- kugelair.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cherry Grove Fly-In Minnesota
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2011
free event.The Fly-In is held each year at the farm of Jewel Ness, located two miles south of Wanamingo on County Road 12. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349943#349943 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cherry_grove_fly_in_414.gif ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cherry Grove Fly-In Minnesota
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2011
Hi Dennis, Have you noticed a lot of our local Fly-ins have had low attendance since a local guy called the FAA about several airparks and fly-ins ... I'm sure things will eventually pick up... But things have been very quite... . . I didn't realize you were in this area ? . . Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" the Flying Dog . . -------- . . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349957#349957 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_095_211.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_033_159.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/buttercup_outside_001_939.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cherry Grove Fly-In Minnesota
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2011
I'm no expert , but that looks like a tailwind. Nice ! ...See you at Jewels ! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349997#349997 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: SIMPLE Weight and Balance Question
Date: Aug 19, 2011
If you want I could email you a really simple-to-use W & B spreadsheet >> Yes please Mike. my Xtra will be due for reweighing as part of the Permit to Fly inspection next year and it would be helpful to be able to crunch some figures first. Pat. pj.ladd@btinternet ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
From: "thumbs" <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2011
rickofudall Ok then what Pennsoil do I use? I was over to a shop this afternoon and they had Pennsoil 2 stroke oil in the pints. I looked for the API and it said TC. I am guessing that is not compatible with oil injection. My 503 is oil injected. What do I use?? thanks -------- Gary Souderton, Pa. Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350005#350005 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2011
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
API TC (which the Pennzoil is) is what you want, what Rotax specifies, and is compatible with oil injection. Despite what some manufacturers may put on the label, there is no special oil to use with oil injection. -Dana At 03:59 PM 8/19/2011, thumbs wrote: > >rickofudall > >Ok then what Pennsoil do I use? I was over to a shop this afternoon and >they had Pennsoil 2 stroke oil in the pints. I looked for the API and it >said TC. I am guessing that is not compatible with oil injection. >My 503 is oil injected. What do I use?? -- The dinosours died because they didn't have a space program! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: SIMPLE Weight and Balance Spreadsheet
From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2011
> > > Hi Pat, > > Here it is. Hope you can use it ok. (Boyd Young gets the credit for sharing it to the Kolb list) > > Mike W > > > > > On Aug 19, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Pat Ladd wrote: > >> If you want I could email you a really simple-to-use W & B spreadsheet >> >> >> Yes please Mike. >> >> my Xtra will be due for reweighing as part of the Permit to Fly inspection next year and it would be helpful to be able to crunch some figures first. >> >> >> Pat. pj.ladd@btinternet > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Proper 503 dual carb warm up
From: "thumbs" <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2011
You guys with Rotax 503 dual carbs. What is the proper way to warm up the engine before full power for take off? What CHT's should I be looking for before I apply full power? If I remember correctly my take off RPM was 6200. thanks -------- Gary Souderton, Pa. Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350028#350028 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Firefly for sale
Date: Aug 20, 2011
Turned 81 this year and just had my first engine out caused by the dumb pilot.>> Hi Gene, I am 82 at the end of the month so I would be interested in what dumb thing you did. My wife keeps telling me I should stop flying and I argue that I am fine. I know in my heart of heart that time is slipping by but I keep kidding myself . Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: SIMPLE Weight and Balance Spreadsheet
Date: Aug 20, 2011
re W and B. Thanks Mike When I have time I will put in the figures from my last professional weighing onto the spread sheet and see how they work out. Do you usually use the actual weight of the pilot? Here there is a standard allowance for W and B purposes and I think that is placarded as a warning for you to do something about it if you are outside the parameters. Thanks Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2011
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Firefly for sale
On 08/20/2011 03:53 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > > Turned 81 this year and just had my first engine out caused by the > dumb pilot.>> > > Hi Gene, > I am 82 at the end of the month so I would be interested in what dumb > thing you did. My wife keeps telling me I should stop flying and I > argue that I am fine. I know in my heart of heart that time is > slipping by but I keep kidding myself . > > Pat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wittman And the thing that got him was....failure to read the directions, not age. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2011
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Firefly for sale
I ma 49 and started flying UL,s 20 years ago=0Ano one at the airport though t I would live this long.-=0A-If-I have 30 moor years of flying i sho uldent get upset-=0Aeverytime my plane is down for two weeks.- mal- =0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, P PC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513 -3022=0A=0AFrom: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@ matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:07 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb nd =0A=0AOn 08/20/2011 03:53 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: =0A> =0A> Turned 81 this year and just had my first engine out caused by th e dumb pilot.>>=0A> =0A> Hi Gene,=0A> I am 82- at the end of the month so I would be interested in what dumb thing you did. My wife keeps telling me I should stop flying and I argue that I am fine. I know in my heart of hea rt that time is slipping by but I keep kidding myself .=0A> =0A> Pat=0Ahttp ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wittman=0A=0AAnd the thing that got him was. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: SIMPLE Weight and Balance Spreadsheet
Date: Aug 20, 2011
Hi Pat=2C Regarding using 'actual' numbers=2C or that theoretical "170 lb" pilot an d passenger=2C I did several calculations. Since it is so easy to swap out all kinds of weights and parameters=2C and the program does that number crunching for you=2C I did several weight samp les. I found that a lone pilot=2C weighing that mythical 170 lbs=2C put the CG just slightly aft of center=2C of the '25% to 35%' range...somewhere close to 31.1% aft of wing leading edge. Ne xt=2C I added a 170 lb passenger=2C which then put the CG at 27.5%...evidently still in the acceptable limits of CG. Next=2C I put in my own weight (let's just say it's more than 170 lbs=2C not less). Still within limits=2C even if I add a passenger. The "worst" calculation I got=2C which was me a nd a passenger=2C was something like 25.5% to 26%. I get the impression the MkIII is reasonably tolerant of pilot and passen ger weights=2C as far as staying within the CG boundaries goes. Max gross is another matter. At le ast the CG calculations make it seem so. I guess the MkIII Xtra has an even broader CG range does the MkIII C. Wh ile discussing CG stuff with a list member who has recently started flying his finished Xtra =2C he says his Xtra manual says CG can be within 20% to 35% aft of wing leading edge=2C if I recall co rrectly. I don't have an Xtra builder's manual=2C only the MkIII manual. I guess the Xtra has an ev en broader CG range than it's predecessor. I'm sure someone with lots of MkIII time=2C (especially with a passenger) will share their thoughts.... Mike Welch N212MN re W and B. Thanks Mike When I have time I will put in the figures from my last professional weighing onto the spread sheet and see how they work out. Do you usually use the actual weight of the pilot? Here there is a standard allowance for W and B purposes and I think that is placarded as a warning for you to do something about it if you are outside the parameters. Thanks Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2011
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Gary, You have to know what's in it. If you don't, there are two safe ways to go. Give up the pump and premix, or flush out the reservoir, pump and lines and then replace with the oil of your choice. If it helps any, I've had four quarts of Pennzoil Air Cooled that I've been nursing along in my 582's rotary valve reservoir since Sun n Fun 2007. I'm down to my last quart and a half so I'll have to flush and clean soon. Rick On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:59 PM, thumbs wrote: > > rickofudall > > Ok then what Pennsoil do I use? I was over to a shop this afternoon and > they had Pennsoil 2 stroke oil in the pints. I looked for the API and it > said TC. I am guessing that is not compatible with oil injection. > My 503 is oil injected. What do I use?? > > thanks > > -------- > Gary > Souderton, Pa. > Firestar II > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350005#350005 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2011
Subject: Mk IIIC Weight and Balance Spreadsheet
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
You'll have to change the location of the main gear for a steel (bent) gear legs, this if for aluminum legs. Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Proper 503 dual carb warm up
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2011
I start the engine before I climb in. By the time I have my headset situated, the altimeter set, the GPS turned on, and the squelch adjusted, the temp gauge is beginning to register. By the time I taxi to the run up area it is good to go. I look for 150deg before the mag check and that always gets me close to 200 before takeoff power is applied. I glance at the gauge, but almost never have to wait for it. In normal conditions just getting to the runway will get things well warmed up. If you have been ice fishing and then jump in, start up and hammer the throttle, you will have a problem. If you are traveling with faster liquid cooled Kolbs, you can even the playing field a bit by starting your leg a good 5min sooner while they are waiting for their temps to come up. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350063#350063 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: K I <wrk2win4u(at)msn.com>
Subject: Aging out
Date: Aug 20, 2011
Greetings Kolb List=2C I chose to put off responding to the issue regarding "Aging Out". The reason is I was preparing for my final exam with the FAA examiner. Yesterday was the day I have been waiting for... I PASSED!! ! I have to admit=2C I am proud and elated. Never the less=2C the reason I am responding to the list regarding my success is not to boast=2C only to demonstrate=2C "mature persons" can still become a certified pilot. It is possible to=2C "teach an old dog a new trick". If I would have stuck with my first lesson through to finish=2C I would have been certified in '73. (You do the math.) Boyd Young=2C (Kolb Mlll N1225Y) was a great supporter throughout this experience. (Publicly) THANKS BOYD. I had the pleasure of having dinner John Hauck when he visited Utah last month. His encouragement was also appreciated. I would encourage younger persons=2C or mature persons to begin the pleasur e of learning to fly=2C regardless of their age. Safe Flying=2C Kurt Imig Firestar ll Date: Sun=2C 14 Aug 2011 19:37:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aging out From: gpabruce(at)gmail.com Just read this post and had a thought for you . . . I would suggest you meet with the University instructors and ask them to pr opose to the young people your dilemma and ask them for suggestions to help out. When dealing with my teen grandchildren I listen to their music=2C en joy their antics=2C and so on just to be around them. We get small moments of one on one to solve minute problems but not 100% of their time. I apprec iate all the moments I get no matter how small just so they allow me to be with them. You may also want to sit in on their classes=2C get to know them =2C let them get to know you=2C listen closely to them=2C try their advice =2C participate in their experiences and so on. It's their world now and th ey can't screw it up anymore than we've screwed it up so far. The reason I decided to respond to this was I came to the same solution wit h the debt crisis. We are talking about trillions of dollars. We had about 500 congress people looking at it and they had no clue what to do. Most of them can't take care of their own business or even pay their child support yet we ask them to fix what they broke. What did they do? They handed it t o twelve idiots. Now tell me how long it will take 12 idiots to analyze 1 t rillion dollars let alone several to find out where there is waste=2C fraud and abuse? They act as though it's all in one area marked "Waste Fraud and Abuse". Nope it's scattered in all places=2C not easy to identify. So what 's the solution? I think it should be divided up by categories and given t o our school children to sift and sort and make recommendations to look at deeper. What an experience for them and what can they learn while fixing Am erica hands on. They could start by making lists of questions of "what is t his and that for?" to submit to congress for answers. In doing that they wi ll begin to see the incompetence we deal with and contribute to every day. Oh and by the way=2C this project will have so many angles to it=2C they wo uld be exempt from school be volunteering for it. What better education and creativity . . . our business leader=2C our political leaders and our rel igious leaders have all failed this. There is no way 12=2C000 people can an alyze 1 trillion dollars let alone 12 hard headed=2C biased=2C opinionated people who were the problem to begin with. When these 12 people get done=2C nothing will be accomplished except they will line their own pockets and b e much more wealthy. So I say what do we have to lose=2C let every child =2C in every grade=2C in every school in every town in every state see what a mess we have left them. They would still go to school but have a repriev e from normal school which isn't very good anyway. I know . . . it won't h appen . . .we'll keep doing the same old thing and keep expecting different results. In your case with EAA and young people=2C I hope you give it a try and let them take the lead. No telling what these kids today can do. If you don't b elieve me=2C watch some youtube. They are amazing. I would also go grab so me delinquents and off them a chance to "help" you out. You never know how they might respond . . . . Good Luck Bruce On Sun=2C Aug 14=2C 2011 at 7:04 PM=2C Dennis Thate wrote: I attended our local EAA chapter today and volunteered to help out with the annual Fly-In breakfast. This well established group of all men in their 7 0's & 80's is struggling to bring in new memberships. There are simply no y ounger members to take over=2C even in this small University city with a we ll established college aviation program. I fear the end of what we love=2C 'sport aviation' could be fading away . -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist inve nts the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349460#349460 arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aging out
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2011
It will take more films like this to inspire young men & women into aviation, rarely do you see any aviation films today. Red Tails, a special effects remake of the Tuskegee Airmen http://www.buzzfocus.com/2011/08/18/first-look-red-tails-trailer/ -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350072#350072 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gary Thacker <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
Date: Aug 20, 2011
Rick Thanks=2C I am 99.9% sure I have Pennsoil 2 cycle oil in it now. The reser voir is almost full but it has been in there for about five years. Is this oil still good? The reservoir has been closed all the time. I can get th e oil out of the reservoir and the oil line but how do you get it out of th e pump? Gary Souderton=2C Pa. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oil and fuel
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 20, 2011
If I was going to change from one sort of oil to another sort and didn't want them to cross contaminate each other, here's what I would do: Dump in some premix to safely run the engine, pull the oil pump cable to max and start er up, run at about 3,000 rpm. It will pump out the old oil pretty quick. Watch the oil line from the pump and you will see when it quits pumping (or just wait for the smoke to subside to normal levels...) and then dump in the new oil, leave the oil pump cable at max. Run the engine again at around 3,000 until it starts to smoke heavily. Shut it down, check for bubbles in the oil line from the pump, if no bubbles, put everything back to normal, and you ought to be good to go with the new oil. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) -------- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350075#350075 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rotax takes a unbelievable beating
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2011
Caution has a violent ending ! http://www.zapiks.fr/share/player.swf?file=50284 [Shocked] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350078#350078 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Aging out
Date: Aug 20, 2011
It is possible to, "teach an old dog a new trick". Kurt Imig >>>>>>>>>>>>> woof woof that is dog for congratulations. an old dog would have known that without explanation... but for the rest of you. LOL call me lets go fly. boyd young mkiii utah ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Muffler & Header paint
From: "R. Hankins" <rphanks(at)grantspass.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2011
I use Krylon Stove and BBQ flat black. Works great. Priced right. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350086#350086 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2011
From: Jack <pcarillonsr(at)neo.rr.com>
Subject: Flying videos By stlmusic
Kolbers I was just checking Youtube for flying videos of Kolbs and ran across a few fairly new videos from stlmusic, from earlier this year. I thought the videos were exceptionally clear and also wondered how he shot some of these. Thought maybe he had someone in the back seat of the Firestar 2 taking the video until the camera panned back, nobody there. I'll give the link and you can scroll thru them . The newest ones are marked with HD. If some of you have never seen any of these check them all out. I enjoyed them myself. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=STLMUSIC+FLYING+VIDEOS&aq=f Jack Carillon Akron Oh. FS2 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: KOLB Gathering ....
From: "209GS" <guebbing(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2011
I used to live 30 miles south in Harrison before my company moved me to Richmond Va. It would be nice to fly around and see the old stomping ground again, and all the better with a group of Kolbs! Its beautiful country up there. I'll make plans... -------- Gerry Uebbing Firestar II 503 b-box (not flying yet) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350105#350105 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 8/20/11 Forest Lake fly-in
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2011
Someone said the fly-ins are scarce around this part of the country. Nothing could be further from the truth. This was the Forest Lake fly-in yesterday, where my Kolbra engine and panel were stolen out of the hanger. We had a great turnout and my wife and I helped out with whatever we could. I would rather be flying .... https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.264463660248381.79999.100000542485187#!/media/set/?set=a.264463660248381.79999.100000542485187&closeTheater=1 Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 24 years flying it Kolbra 912UL (engine and avionics stolen on 5/17/11. Hanger break-in) N20386 done flying it 150 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350135#350135 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 8/20/11 Forest Lake fly-in
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2011
Ralph, I have to agree, Mankato Minnesota's Fly-In breakfast had record attendance this year. A nice variety of aircraft showing up for the morning. With Great Food , Great music, and Great antique cars. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350145#350145 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02376_147.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02411_228.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02391_177.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02398_213.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2011
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 8/20/11 Forest Lake fly-in
Ralph , Thanks for the pics- , About your engine, wasnt anyone caught fot that theft? Thought they would be caught for sure .Hope your statement tha t your done flying it isnt true ! Hope things change, You still have your F irestar dont you? Chris=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilo t=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0AFrom: Ralph B <rstar447@gmail .com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:10 PM =0ASubject: Kolb-List: 8/20/11 Forest Lake fly-in=0A=0A--> Kolb-List messag e posted by: "Ralph B" =0A=0ASomeone said the fly-ins a re scarce around this part of the country. Nothing could be further from th e truth. This was the Forest Lake fly-in yesterday, where my Kolbra engine and panel were stolen out of the hanger. We had a great turnout and my wife and I helped out with whatever we could.=0A=0AI would rather be flying ... .=0A=0Ahttps://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.264463660248381.79999.10 0000542485187#!/media/set/?set=a.264463660248381.79999.100000542485187&cl oseTheater=1=0A=0ARalph B=0A=0A--------=0ARalph B=0AOriginal Firestar 447 =0AN91493 E-AB=0A1000 hours=0A24 years flying it=0AKolbra 912UL (engine and avionics stolen on 5/17/11. Hanger break-in)=0AN20386=0Adone flying it=0A1 50 hrs=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matron =- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle ======== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 8/20/11 Forest Lake fly-in
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2011
"capedavis(at)yahoo.com" > Ralph , Thanks for the pics , About your engine, wasnt anyone caught fot that theft? Thought they would be caught for sure .Hope your statement that your done flying it isnt true ! Hope things change, You still have your Firestar dont you? Chris > > > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly > Chris, the investigation is still on. The BCA (Bureau of Criminal of Apprehension) has 3 sets of prints from the Kolbra. I will let people know if they find the culprits. Someone out there is looking at some serious jail time. I decided to rebuild the Kolbra. The airframe is intact, but it will need re-wiring with a new panel, instruments, and engine. There were many custom-made parts that will need to be made. Mark German is willing to do this for me. He wants to see me get the Kolbra back in the air. I'm coming out of retirement and looking for work. It will take 2 years for me to save the money to get what I want. A couple of years of of my life will be worth it to fly again. Good things come in time. Thanks Chris for your interest in the case ... Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 24 years flying it Kolbra 912UL (engine and avionics stolen on 5/17/11. Hanger break-in) N20386 done flying it 150 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350157#350157 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
From: "Mic" <miceire(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2011
I just watched the MK3X YouTube video posted 2 weeks ago by ultralight news. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6LjOighew8 Having not flown in either aircraft, my opinions are solely based on observation watching videos. My first impression of the wide, shark-like nose of the Xtra was that it provided a significant amount of additional airfoil and would impact ground effect and possibly in-flight pitch characteristics. A Kolb pilot also brought this to my attention recently as well. So, I would appreciate hearing from those of you with experience flying both of these aircraft. How do the flight characteristics differ? Thank you all for your input. -------- Mic "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan "Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire." W.B. Yeats Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350168#350168 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 21, 2011
Extra W/912 felt like a truck compared to my MKIII Classic W/582, mods, & vg's. Aside from that - just the same. -------- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350169#350169 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Subject: Trailaplane
From: JC Gilpin <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com>
Gday All, I went to Oshkosh this year, and the highlight for me was a neat FireFly in the Red Barn area. I fell in love at first and second and further visits. Couldn't ever connect with the owner.... To introduce myself, I live in Australia, and do a lot of x-country touring by air, in a two-place Savannah with a 100hp 912S these days, but earlier in a single-seat Spectrum Beaver with 447, 1000hrs in each of them. But I'm getting a bit tired of living under the wing in a pup tent. That's all fine when I'm moving every day and the weather is good, but hunkered down in a little tent for several days when bad weather sets in gets trying. And the fact that airfields are mostly a couple of miles or more from town, has me wishing for real wheels, even tho I can now carry a bicycle in the Savannah. So the dream now is a folding ultralight that I can tow behind an RV, and fly locally to see the sights when the weather is right, and have wheels and a comfortable camp the rest of the time. So of course the FireFly fits into this dream exactly! The dream has now extended to touring the USA the same way - find a FireFly with trailer and an RV, and go wherever..... I have friends in Texas, Mississippi, Minnesota, Utah and Arizona, so could leave the rig between visits, and return whenever the season and funds suit. It'll be a couple of years to be free of ties that bind here, so not ready for Gene's aircraft yet, but some day would hope to find another similar..... My Australian ultralight license isn't recognized over there, so I can't go to a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. Even then, I think it would be a lot less complicated to stay under the radar in 103 category?? Do you have to be a US citizen or resident to fly 103?? I'd be hunting out quiet, little-used airstrips away from 'heavy metal' and all the 'attitude'. I notice that Gene removes the wings and secures them to the sides of the trailer. Is this for reasons of keeping road rash from wearing at the structural mounts, or for overall length, or whatever?? Seems that if you could leave the wings on the FireFly and use a two-blade prop, you could make a trailer that would be very slim and compact and easy to tow..... I've been impressed by the performance of Kolbs ever since Sun'nFun 1990. But there are very few Kolbs in Aus. A couple of Mark 3's, but that's about it. Our local regulations for Amateur Built Category allow two seats and MTOW of 544kg (1200lb) so that easily allows a FireStar here. I understand that a few two-seat tandem FireStars were built, but can't find out more about them - any links or info appreciated. Was the cockpit extended a bit?? Looks like that would be easy enough, and I have the engineering experience to do that and to correct W&B. Don't need dual controls, just enough room to load a pax for short flights, sort of like a pillion on a motorcycle, put the pax out of the way where they belong..... Photography is important to me so I want excellent visibility both sides. Are there any snags that I haven't considered that anyone can see in this dream?? How come more aren't using these aircraft that way, or don't we hear about it?? Any comments most welcome. To come along on some of the trips I've done, have a look at the photos at http://www.stolspeed.com/id/12 Cheers, John Gilpin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: End User <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
Date: Aug 22, 2011
I doubt the nose has a noticeable effect on landing. Not enough surface area. There is a difference at cruise though which is why they changed the wing incidence. My hybrid MkIII has a longer nose too and a really broad windshield. I still intend to lower my incidence too.... -eventually. BB, always another project. "Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." ' Confucius On Aug 22, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Mic wrote: > > I just watched the MK3X YouTube video posted 2 weeks ago by > ultralight news. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6LjOighew8 > > Having not flown in either aircraft, my opinions are solely based > on observation watching videos. My first impression of the wide, > shark-like nose of the Xtra was that it provided a significant > amount of additional airfoil and would impact ground effect and > possibly in-flight pitch characteristics. A Kolb pilot also > brought this to my attention recently as well. > > So, I would appreciate hearing from those of you with experience > flying both of these aircraft. How do the flight characteristics > differ? > > Thank you all for your input. > > -------- > Mic > "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than > to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." > =94 Carl Sagan > > "Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire." > =94 W.B. Yeats > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350168#350168 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Trailaplane
From: "SS568" <david(at)PaulowniaTrees.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2011
G'day John, That set up of Gene's is rather interesting. But I have only seen the pictures that you have seen. One thing to keep in mind when towing an airplane in a trailer, is the shock load of hitting a bump or pot hole. Think of it as G. forces. They don't last long but can do damage (often unseen) to the planes structure. Tandem axles help a lot, as well as slowing down. There was a set up I saw a while back of a person that took a RV type travel trailer and converted it into a hauler for his plane and also kept most of the living quarters. There are also lots of trailers over here called toy haulers. Usually living quarters up front and a rear door where "toys" can be pulled up inside. As to length they come in all sizes. Most would be too short for a kolb, but not all. and you would need to decide if you want to live aboard with the plane or leave it outside in the weather. Length and arrangement of living quarter would determine this. Also whether there is a madam or not aboard. They require a lot of space. :D David d. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350185#350185 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Although I am still fighting the good fight trying to get Ken Holle's Mk IIIX to not behave like a lawn dart, which, I believe, is particular to thi s airplane only and not Mk IIIX's in general, I do have one data point. Some review first. The wing incidence on this aircraft has been set at 2.8 degrees relative to the engine mount, the low end of the factory recommende d setting of 2.8 to 3.4 degrees. It has a full swivel tail wheel with a 4" diameter wheel and the tail wheel strut has been shortened to about 8". It has the welded tubing main gear. Set up as it is the aircraft can only do wheel landings and they are at a relatively higher speed than my MK IIIC with straight leg, aluminum gear (but it couldn't do a full stall landing either). I can, with great care, get a three point wheel on landing out of the IIIX, but it takes only a little too much back pressure on the stick to touch down tail wheel first. In flight the other thing I notice is that even with the lowest wing incidence setting the nose cone caves in under dynamic pressure. Somewhere along the trail of getting this aircraft rehabilitated I'll add some composite ribs to the nose cone to alleviate this. Builders might want to consider doing this as a preemptive measure before the windscreen and doors are in place and it is an easy reach to get to the inside of the nose cone. Rick Girard On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:45 AM, End User wrote: > I doubt the nose has a noticeable effect on landing. Not enough surface > area. > There is a difference at cruise though which is why they changed the wing > incidence. > > My hybrid MkIII has a longer nose too and a really broad windshield. I > still intend > to lower my incidence too.... -eventually. > > BB, always another project. > > "Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." ' > Confucius <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius> > > > On Aug 22, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Mic wrote: > > > I just watched the MK3X YouTube video posted 2 weeks ago by ultralight > news. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6LjOighew8 > > Having not flown in either aircraft, my opinions are solely based on > observation watching videos. My first impression of the wide, shark-like > nose of the Xtra was that it provided a significant amount of additional > airfoil and would impact ground effect and possibly in-flight pitch > characteristics. A Kolb pilot also brought this to my attention recently > as well. > > So, I would appreciate hearing from those of you with experience flying > both of these aircraft. How do the flight characteristics differ? > > Thank you all for your input. > > -------- > Mic > "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to > persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." > =94 Carl Sagan > > "Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire." > =94 W.B. Yeats > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350168#350168 > > > - The Kolb-List Email Forum - > --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > http://forums.matronics.com > - List Contribution Web Site - > Thank you for your generous support! > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Subject: Re: Welding?
From: Roy Spangler <roy.spangler(at)kirtland.edu>
To all would be welders, Under no circumstances judge a weld by its looks! One of the contributors suggested taking a class at a community college or tech school. By all mean s do so. As a former vocational educator I taught welding and some of the prettiest welds by students failed due to a lack of penetration. Welding is an art! Testing is important as your life just might depend on the integrity of your weld. Lots of information on the web about weld testing! roy On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 2:47 PM, robert bean wrote: > For aircraft use you want a lightweight set. I have been using the same > old Smith aircraft set for over 35 years. > I do use industrial, large size regulators though. > BB > > On 17, Aug 2011, at 2:01 PM, Phil wrote: > > A big thanks to all the welding gurus. I appreciate every single post; > all the pics and videos and answers. Fascinating stuff. > > I decided on the Victor Firepower Oxy/Acetylene kit and placed my order > from WeldingSupply.com <http://weldingsupply.com/> at what I believe are > great prices (after much web surfing): > > https://weldingsupply.securesites.com/cgi-bin/browsecatalogs.pl > 0384-2551 - FirePower Heavy/Medium Duty $149.38 > WES317 - 520 tank to 510 reg $9.99 > WES324 - 200 tank to 510 reg $9.99 > WES61 - 300 tank to 510 reg $4.95 > > This will allow hooking up the CGA-510 reg to most of the various Acetyle ne > tanks available. Now I just need to find tanks to rent in my area. > > Phil H. > > > --- On *Tue, 8/16/11, racerjerry * wrote: > > > From: racerjerry <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Welding? > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2011, 10:56 AM > ://us.mc1608.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> > > > > Stick welding and MIG is relatively easy and you can probably learn on yo ur > own trough practice before beginning a serious project. As a matter of > fact, you might get much more out of a welding course if you already have > experimented with the welding process. Of course, you may have to un-lea rn > some mistakes. Reading helps, especially in diagnosing poor welds; but a s > they say: practice, practice and practice some more before working on > anything important. Stick and MIG is kind of like walking a tightrope an d > juggling with one hand at the same time. > > Gas welding adds another dimension. Got to push the =98bubble =99 around > and occasionally feed rod =93 like walking the tightrope and juggli ng with > two hands. > > TIG welding adds a third dimension (foot pedal). Got to walk the > tightrope, juggle with two hands and a foot and HOP across the tightrope. > Seriously, you need all of your gas welding skills down before learning > TIG. A trade school should work well to see if you really want to invest in > the equipment. > > MIG vs TIG > Another aspect is that MIG lays down welding wire rapidly. Too rapid for > welding small thin 4130 tubing unless you know what you are dong. Often you > can get a good looking weld bead but in reality the bead is just sitting on > top with little penetration. MIG is great for stock car roll bars and > general welding, is fast, requires little clean-up, is a lot of fun and > requires much less skill than TIG. With MIG, I like to weave a bit to ge t > as much heat into the joint as I dare to insure penetration. MIG (&TIG) > also has the advantage of being able to join thick materials with thin > (difficult with stick or gas welding). In trying to weld small round tub ing > joints with MIG, you are going to have lots of stops and starts and that is > where problems arise. > > Because of the extra skills, time and equipment investment required, it > would probably be better to gas weld your aircraft project. > > -------- > Jerry King > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349638#349638 > http://www.matronip; -Matt Draronics.com/contribution" > ====== > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution > * > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Subject: Re: Trailaplane
From: Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
John -- Responding specifically to your comments about "hunting" for airports, it's very doable. I've flown ULs all over the country... the legs are shorter of course, but still very doable. Yes, you do have to avoid any airport with B or C regulations, and some D, but overall that, again, isn't difficult. There are plenty of small airports with fuel, away from the larger airports, in most parts of the country. There is no requirement that the UL pilot be a US citizen. http://www.usua.org/Rules/faa103.htm IMO, keeping the wings attached (but very well supported and cushioned) isn't a problem IF (and it's a BIG "IF") the trailer you have has the right set of springs on it.... very light springs. Most trailers will have heavy-duty springs to deal with a lot of weight, but since you'll be carrying extremely light cargo, having matching springs is critical. If you can't get the right trailer, then removing the wings would be best. And, as mentioned, dual axles helps a lot, not just on potholes, but in case you get a blown tire. What you're looking at doing isn't done much for a few reasons... finding the right trailer is difficult; hauling a 24-foot trailer around can be a pain; unloading, setting up the wings, flying, breaking down the wing, reloading... that can be onerous unless you're going to set it up for several days and keep it set up for multi-day flying. It's doable, though, and I certainly can recommend it, as the benefits would be well worth it. -- Robert On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:03 AM, JC Gilpin wrote: > Gday All, > > I went to Oshkosh this year, and the highlight for me was a neat FireFly in > the Red Barn area. I fell in love at first and second and further visits. > Couldn't ever connect with the owner.... > > To introduce myself, I live in Australia, and do a lot of x-country touring > by air, in a two-place Savannah with a 100hp 912S these days, but earlier in > a single-seat Spectrum Beaver with 447, 1000hrs in each of them. But I'm > getting a bit tired of living under the wing in a pup tent. That's all fine > when I'm moving every day and the weather is good, but hunkered down in a > little tent for several days when bad weather sets in gets trying. And the > fact that airfields are mostly a couple of miles or more from town, has me > wishing for real wheels, even tho I can now carry a bicycle in the Savannah. > So the dream now is a folding ultralight that I can tow behind an RV, and > fly locally to see the sights when the weather is right, and have wheels and > a comfortable camp the rest of the time. So of course the FireFly fits into > this dream exactly! The dream has now extended to touring the USA the same > way - find a FireFly with trailer and an RV, and go wherever..... I have > friends in Texas, Mississippi, Minnesota, Utah and Arizona, so could leave > the rig between visits, and return whenever the season and funds suit. > It'll be a couple of years to be free of ties that bind here, so not ready > for Gene's aircraft yet, but some day would hope to find another > similar..... > > My Australian ultralight license isn't recognized over there, so I can't go > to a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. Even then, I > think it would be a lot less complicated to stay under the radar in 103 > category?? Do you have to be a US citizen or resident to fly 103?? I'd be > hunting out quiet, little-used airstrips away from 'heavy metal' and all the > 'attitude'. > > I notice that Gene removes the wings and secures them to the sides of the > trailer. Is this for reasons of keeping road rash from wearing at the > structural mounts, or for overall length, or whatever?? Seems that if you > could leave the wings on the FireFly and use a two-blade prop, you could > make a trailer that would be very slim and compact and easy to tow..... > > I've been impressed by the performance of Kolbs ever since Sun'nFun 1990. > But there are very few Kolbs in Aus. A couple of Mark 3's, but that's > about it. Our local regulations for Amateur Built Category allow two seats > and MTOW of 544kg (1200lb) so that easily allows a FireStar here. I > understand that a few two-seat tandem FireStars were built, but can't find > out more about them - any links or info appreciated. Was the cockpit > extended a bit?? Looks like that would be easy enough, and I have the > engineering experience to do that and to correct W&B. Don't need dual > controls, just enough room to load a pax for short flights, sort of like a > pillion on a motorcycle, put the pax out of the way where they belong..... > Photography is important to me so I want excellent visibility both sides. > > Are there any snags that I haven't considered that anyone can see in this > dream?? > How come more aren't using these aircraft that way, or don't we hear about > it?? > Any comments most welcome. > > To come along on some of the trips I've done, have a look at the photos at > http://www.stolspeed.com/id/12 > > Cheers, > John Gilpin > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Rick, list guys, When I was in the process of installing that Xtra nosecone, I anticipated that it would 'cave in'(depress). Even though I had it clecoed firmly in place during my test fitting, I could easily depress the flat area with one finger. Knowing it would act like you describe, I added four lengthwise reinforcement ribs. (1/4" wide X 3/4" tall X 24" long) This greatly solved the problem, and I'm sure it won't deform under the airstream an excessive amount. I also found I needed to do the same thing to the lower inside surface, too. It didn't give the impression it was going to deform as much as the upper surface, but it certainly acted as though it would "some". I added the lengthwise ribs to it, too, and now they both are much more rigid. BTW, why did you elect to set the wings at 2.8 degrees, rather than 3.4 (which is what they told me to set them at)? If you had it to do over, would you have aimed for 3.4, or do you think it would it have not made that much of a difference? Mike Welch On Aug 22, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > Although I am still fighting the good fight trying to get Ken Holle's Mk IIIX to not behave like a lawn dart, which, I believe, is particular to this airplane only and not Mk IIIX's in general, I do have one data point. > Some review first. The wing incidence on this aircraft has been set at 2.8 degrees relative to the engine mount, the low end of the factory recommended setting of 2.8 to 3.4 degrees. It has a full swivel tail wheel with a 4" diameter wheel and the tail wheel strut has been shortened to about 8". It has the welded tubing main gear. > Set up as it is the aircraft can only do wheel landings and they are at a relatively higher speed than my MK IIIC with straight leg, aluminum gear (but it couldn't do a full stall landing either). I can, with great care, get a three point wheel on landing out of the IIIX, but it takes only a little too much back pressure on the stick to touch down tail wheel first. > In flight the other thing I notice is that even with the lowest wing incidence setting the nose cone caves in under dynamic pressure. Somewhere along the trail of getting this aircraft rehabilitated I'll add some composite ribs to the nose cone to alleviate this. Builders might want to consider doing this as a preemptive measure before the windscreen and doors are in place and it is an easy reach to get to the inside of the nose cone. > > Rick Girard > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Subject: Re: Trailaplane
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
John I built a custom trailer for my Kolb MKIIIC that is light and easy to pull. I have pulled the plane over 5,000 miles with no damage to the plane. The key is light trailer springs and support the wings where they attach to the plane. Check out a web site that George Alexander put together for my trailer and look at a bunch of other Kolb trailers. http://oh2fly.net/RickN_MKIII_Trailer.htm It takes me well over an hour to unload the plane from the trailer and get it ready to fly. I now pack it up once a year for winter storage and it is not fun. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Robert Laird wrote: > John -- > > Responding specifically to your comments about "hunting" for airports, it's > very doable. I've flown ULs all over the country... the legs are shorter of > course, but still very doable. Yes, you do have to avoid any airport with B > or C regulations, and some D, but overall that, again, isn't difficult. > There are plenty of small airports with fuel, away from the larger > airports, in most parts of the country. > > There is no requirement that the UL pilot be a US citizen. > http://www.usua.org/Rules/faa103.htm > > IMO, keeping the wings attached (but very well supported and cushioned) > isn't a problem IF (and it's a BIG "IF") the trailer you have has the right > set of springs on it.... very light springs. Most trailers will have > heavy-duty springs to deal with a lot of weight, but since you'll be > carrying extremely light cargo, having matching springs is critical. If you > can't get the right trailer, then removing the wings would be best. And, as > mentioned, dual axles helps a lot, not just on potholes, but in case you get > a blown tire. > > What you're looking at doing isn't done much for a few reasons... finding > the right trailer is difficult; hauling a 24-foot trailer around can be a > pain; unloading, setting up the wings, flying, breaking down the wing, > reloading... that can be onerous unless you're going to set it up for > several days and keep it set up for multi-day flying. It's doable, though, > and I certainly can recommend it, as the benefits would be well worth it. > > -- Robert > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:03 AM, JC Gilpin wrote: > >> Gday All, >> >> I went to Oshkosh this year, and the highlight for me was a neat FireFly >> in the Red Barn area. I fell in love at first and second and further >> visits. Couldn't ever connect with the owner.... >> >> To introduce myself, I live in Australia, and do a lot of x-country >> touring by air, in a two-place Savannah with a 100hp 912S these days, but >> earlier in a single-seat Spectrum Beaver with 447, 1000hrs in each of them. >> But I'm getting a bit tired of living under the wing in a pup tent. That's >> all fine when I'm moving every day and the weather is good, but hunkered >> down in a little tent for several days when bad weather sets in gets trying. >> And the fact that airfields are mostly a couple of miles or more from town, >> has me wishing for real wheels, even tho I can now carry a bicycle in the >> Savannah. So the dream now is a folding ultralight that I can tow behind an >> RV, and fly locally to see the sights when the weather is right, and have >> wheels and a comfortable camp the rest of the time. So of course the >> FireFly fits into this dream exactly! The dream has now extended to touring >> the USA the same way - find a FireFly with trailer and an RV, and go >> wherever..... I have friends in Texas, Mississippi, Minnesota, Utah and >> Arizona, so could leave the rig between visits, and return whenever the >> season and funds suit. It'll be a couple of years to be free of ties that >> bind here, so not ready for Gene's aircraft yet, but some day would hope to >> find another similar..... >> >> My Australian ultralight license isn't recognized over there, so I can't >> go to a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. Even then, I >> think it would be a lot less complicated to stay under the radar in 103 >> category?? Do you have to be a US citizen or resident to fly 103?? I'd be >> hunting out quiet, little-used airstrips away from 'heavy metal' and all the >> 'attitude'. >> >> I notice that Gene removes the wings and secures them to the sides of the >> trailer. Is this for reasons of keeping road rash from wearing at the >> structural mounts, or for overall length, or whatever?? Seems that if you >> could leave the wings on the FireFly and use a two-blade prop, you could >> make a trailer that would be very slim and compact and easy to tow..... >> >> I've been impressed by the performance of Kolbs ever since Sun'nFun 1990. >> But there are very few Kolbs in Aus. A couple of Mark 3's, but that's >> about it. Our local regulations for Amateur Built Category allow two seats >> and MTOW of 544kg (1200lb) so that easily allows a FireStar here. I >> understand that a few two-seat tandem FireStars were built, but can't find >> out more about them - any links or info appreciated. Was the cockpit >> extended a bit?? Looks like that would be easy enough, and I have the >> engineering experience to do that and to correct W&B. Don't need dual >> controls, just enough room to load a pax for short flights, sort of like a >> pillion on a motorcycle, put the pax out of the way where they belong..... >> Photography is important to me so I want excellent visibility both sides. >> >> Are there any snags that I haven't considered that anyone can see in this >> dream?? >> How come more aren't using these aircraft that way, or don't we hear about >> it?? >> Any comments most welcome. >> >> To come along on some of the trips I've done, have a look at the photos >> at http://www.stolspeed.com/id/12 >> >> Cheers, >> John Gilpin >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Subject: Re: Trailaplane
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
John, As described here isolating the aircraft from g loads caused by road hazards is vital, however, you can also do it inside the trailer as well as outside with spring selection. I made chocks for my Mk III main gear when I brought her home and used furniture foam pads with a plywood plate between wheel and foam to spread the load. Cheap and worked great. If I were setting up for the long haul I would do both. Soft springs and some kind of shock isolation on the inside, too. Rick Girard On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Robert Laird wrote: > John -- > > Responding specifically to your comments about "hunting" for airports, it's > very doable. I've flown ULs all over the country... the legs are shorter of > course, but still very doable. Yes, you do have to avoid any airport with B > or C regulations, and some D, but overall that, again, isn't difficult. > There are plenty of small airports with fuel, away from the larger > airports, in most parts of the country. > > There is no requirement that the UL pilot be a US citizen. > http://www.usua.org/Rules/faa103.htm > > IMO, keeping the wings attached (but very well supported and cushioned) > isn't a problem IF (and it's a BIG "IF") the trailer you have has the right > set of springs on it.... very light springs. Most trailers will have > heavy-duty springs to deal with a lot of weight, but since you'll be > carrying extremely light cargo, having matching springs is critical. If you > can't get the right trailer, then removing the wings would be best. And, as > mentioned, dual axles helps a lot, not just on potholes, but in case you get > a blown tire. > > What you're looking at doing isn't done much for a few reasons... finding > the right trailer is difficult; hauling a 24-foot trailer around can be a > pain; unloading, setting up the wings, flying, breaking down the wing, > reloading... that can be onerous unless you're going to set it up for > several days and keep it set up for multi-day flying. It's doable, though, > and I certainly can recommend it, as the benefits would be well worth it. > > -- Robert > > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:03 AM, JC Gilpin wrote: > >> Gday All, >> >> I went to Oshkosh this year, and the highlight for me was a neat FireFly >> in the Red Barn area. I fell in love at first and second and further >> visits. Couldn't ever connect with the owner.... >> >> To introduce myself, I live in Australia, and do a lot of x-country >> touring by air, in a two-place Savannah with a 100hp 912S these days, but >> earlier in a single-seat Spectrum Beaver with 447, 1000hrs in each of them. >> But I'm getting a bit tired of living under the wing in a pup tent. That's >> all fine when I'm moving every day and the weather is good, but hunkered >> down in a little tent for several days when bad weather sets in gets trying. >> And the fact that airfields are mostly a couple of miles or more from town, >> has me wishing for real wheels, even tho I can now carry a bicycle in the >> Savannah. So the dream now is a folding ultralight that I can tow behind an >> RV, and fly locally to see the sights when the weather is right, and have >> wheels and a comfortable camp the rest of the time. So of course the >> FireFly fits into this dream exactly! The dream has now extended to touring >> the USA the same way - find a FireFly with trailer and an RV, and go >> wherever..... I have friends in Texas, Mississippi, Minnesota, Utah and >> Arizona, so could leave the rig between visits, and return whenever the >> season and funds suit. It'll be a couple of years to be free of ties that >> bind here, so not ready for Gene's aircraft yet, but some day would hope to >> find another similar..... >> >> My Australian ultralight license isn't recognized over there, so I can't >> go to a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. Even then, I >> think it would be a lot less complicated to stay under the radar in 103 >> category?? Do you have to be a US citizen or resident to fly 103?? I'd be >> hunting out quiet, little-used airstrips away from 'heavy metal' and all the >> 'attitude'. >> >> I notice that Gene removes the wings and secures them to the sides of the >> trailer. Is this for reasons of keeping road rash from wearing at the >> structural mounts, or for overall length, or whatever?? Seems that if you >> could leave the wings on the FireFly and use a two-blade prop, you could >> make a trailer that would be very slim and compact and easy to tow..... >> >> I've been impressed by the performance of Kolbs ever since Sun'nFun 1990. >> But there are very few Kolbs in Aus. A couple of Mark 3's, but that's >> about it. Our local regulations for Amateur Built Category allow two seats >> and MTOW of 544kg (1200lb) so that easily allows a FireStar here. I >> understand that a few two-seat tandem FireStars were built, but can't find >> out more about them - any links or info appreciated. Was the cockpit >> extended a bit?? Looks like that would be easy enough, and I have the >> engineering experience to do that and to correct W&B. Don't need dual >> controls, just enough room to load a pax for short flights, sort of like a >> pillion on a motorcycle, put the pax out of the way where they belong..... >> Photography is important to me so I want excellent visibility both sides. >> >> Are there any snags that I haven't considered that anyone can see in this >> dream?? >> How come more aren't using these aircraft that way, or don't we hear about >> it?? >> Any comments most welcome. >> >> To come along on some of the trips I've done, have a look at the photos >> at http://www.stolspeed.com/id/12 >> >> Cheers, >> John Gilpin >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Mike I moved them to the lower setting because I measured the lower surface of the fuselage and found that at 3.4 degrees it would still be flying at a negative angle in cruise flight. 2.8 degrees gets the fiberglass nose cone flying at a positive angle. Rick On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Michael Welch wrote: > > Rick, list guys, > > When I was in the process of installing that Xtra nosecone, I anticipated > that it would 'cave in'(depress). Even though I had it clecoed > firmly in place during my test fitting, I could easily depress the flat > area with one finger. > > Knowing it would act like you describe, I added four lengthwise > reinforcement ribs. (1/4" wide X 3/4" tall X 24" long) This greatly > solved the problem, and I'm sure it won't deform under the airstream an > excessive amount. > I also found I needed to do the same thing to the lower inside surface, > too. It didn't give the impression it was going to deform as much as the > upper surface, but it certainly acted as though it would "some". I added > the lengthwise ribs to it, too, and now they both are much more > rigid. > > BTW, why did you elect to set the wings at 2.8 degrees, rather than 3.4 > (which is what they told me to set them at)? If you had it to > do over, would you have aimed for 3.4, or do you think it would it have not > made that much of a difference? > > Mike Welch > > > On Aug 22, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > > > Although I am still fighting the good fight trying to get Ken Holle's Mk > IIIX to not behave like a lawn dart, which, I believe, is particular to this > airplane only and not Mk IIIX's in general, I do have one data point. > > Some review first. The wing incidence on this aircraft has been set at > 2.8 degrees relative to the engine mount, the low end of the factory > recommended setting of 2.8 to 3.4 degrees. It has a full swivel tail wheel > with a 4" diameter wheel and the tail wheel strut has been shortened to > about 8". It has the welded tubing main gear. > > Set up as it is the aircraft can only do wheel landings and they are at a > relatively higher speed than my MK IIIC with straight leg, aluminum gear > (but it couldn't do a full stall landing either). I can, with great care, > get a three point wheel on landing out of the IIIX, but it takes only a > little too much back pressure on the stick to touch down tail wheel first. > > In flight the other thing I notice is that even with the lowest wing > incidence setting the nose cone caves in under dynamic pressure. Somewhere > along the trail of getting this aircraft rehabilitated I'll add some > composite ribs to the nose cone to alleviate this. Builders might want to > consider doing this as a preemptive measure before the windscreen and doors > are in place and it is an easy reach to get to the inside of the nose cone. > > > > Rick Girard > > > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
Date: Aug 22, 2011
> > Mike I moved them to the lower setting because I measured the lower surface of the fuselage and found that at 3.4 degrees it would still be flying at a negative angle in cruise flight. 2.8 degrees gets the fiberglass nose cone flying at a positive angle. > > Rick Rick, I guess you know what you mean, but it seems 'counter-intuitive' to me, how lowering the main wing's incidence raises the nose a bit. I suppose we are speaking about NOT changing the hor. stabilizer's -4.8 setting, right? You're leaving it alone,yes, in both measuring points; wing's at +2.8 deg & +3.4 deg? If we're not changing the hor. stab, I don't quite see how the underside of the fuselage 'incidence' improves. Are you including adjusting the h. s. up and down, when analyzing that fuselage's underside angle? Isn't the hor stab. the ONLY setting that affects the fuselage's incidence? Are we leaving the hor. stab. set at the factory OEM setting? Thanks for the insights! Mike Welch ________________________________________________________________________________
From: End User <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
Date: Aug 22, 2011
You are flying the wing. All else is "incidental" baggage. The more you can get everything else in line with that wing the better off you are. If ,in flight, the bottom of the fuselage is flat with the line of flight then you have a net down force on the nose. It will still fly (like mine) but a big waste of energy. The MkIII, like most planes in the same category, were originally built to go 65 mph. At that speed things like drag and extraneous forces aren't a big deal. -any faster and they become noticeable. If you have a trailer with heavy springs just throw an extra 1000 lbs of sandbags in with your Kolb. I promise it will ride much smoother. :) BB On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Michael Welch wrote: > > >> >> Mike I moved them to the lower setting because I measured the >> lower surface of the fuselage and found that at 3.4 degrees it >> would still be flying at a negative angle in cruise flight. 2.8 >> degrees gets the fiberglass nose cone flying at a positive angle. >> >> Rick > > Rick, > > I guess you know what you mean, but it seems 'counter-intuitive' > to me, how lowering the main wing's incidence raises the nose a bit. > > I suppose we are speaking about NOT changing the hor. > stabilizer's -4.8 setting, right? You're leaving it alone,yes, in > both measuring points; > wing's at +2.8 deg & +3.4 deg? > > If we're not changing the hor. stab, I don't quite see how the > underside of the fuselage 'incidence' improves. Are you including > adjusting the h. s. up and > down, when analyzing that fuselage's underside angle? Isn't the > hor stab. the ONLY setting that affects the fuselage's incidence? > > Are we leaving the hor. stab. set at the factory OEM setting? > Thanks for the insights! > > Mike Welch > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Mike, I had to go dig out the last measurements I took. Relative to the engine mount the boom is at 7 degrees. That was fixed (set) by the cage weldment. The horizontal stabilizer is set right down the centerline of the boom. Rick On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:45 PM, End User wrote: > > You are flying the wing. All else is "incidental" baggage. > > The more you can get everything else in line with that wing the better off > you are. > If ,in flight, the bottom of the fuselage is flat with the line of flight > then you have a > net down force on the nose. It will still fly (like mine) but a big waste > of energy. > > The MkIII, like most planes in the same category, were originally built to > go 65 mph. > At that speed things like drag and extraneous forces aren't a big deal. > -any faster > and they become noticeable. > > If you have a trailer with heavy springs just throw an extra 1000 lbs of > sandbags > in with your Kolb. I promise it will ride much smoother. :) > BB > > > On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Michael Welch wrote: > >> >> >>> Mike I moved them to the lower setting because I measured the lower >>> surface of the fuselage and found that at 3.4 degrees it would still be >>> flying at a negative angle in cruise flight. 2.8 degrees gets the fiberglass >>> nose cone flying at a positive angle. >>> >>> Rick >>> >> >> Rick, >> >> I guess you know what you mean, but it seems 'counter-intuitive' to me, >> how lowering the main wing's incidence raises the nose a bit. >> >> I suppose we are speaking about NOT changing the hor. stabilizer's -4.8 >> setting, right? You're leaving it alone,yes, in both measuring points; >> wing's at +2.8 deg & +3.4 deg? >> >> If we're not changing the hor. stab, I don't quite see how the underside >> of the fuselage 'incidence' improves. Are you including adjusting the h. s. >> up and >> down, when analyzing that fuselage's underside angle? Isn't the hor stab. >> the ONLY setting that affects the fuselage's incidence? >> >> Are we leaving the hor. stab. set at the factory OEM setting? Thanks >> for the insights! >> >> Mike Welch >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Trailaplane
Date: Aug 22, 2011
IMO, keeping the wings attached (but very well supported and cushioned) isn't a problem IF (and it's a BIG "IF") the trailer you have has the right set of springs on it.... very light springs. Robert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the trailer springs are too heavy,,, you can still make it work but you have to add suspended ,lightly sprung, anchor points on the trailer bed. example,,, if you hinge a board to the trailer decking, and build a cradle for the wheels at the far end of the hinged board,,, then install an inner tube under the cradle,, boyd young ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2011
> > > Rick, > > In my vigilant attempt to know as much as I can, especially when it comes to getting the wings set correctly, > I went out and measured my plane. I don't mean to kick a dead horse, while fun as that may be, your settings and readings > are quite a bit different than I would expect, and also different than my own digital readings., and from I understand, > also different than Kolb Co. suggests. > > Here's what I just came up with on my plane just now; > > 1) engine mount zero, (factory established starting point) > 2) boom tube is supposed to read -6.0, (mine does exactly!) > 3) hor. stab. should be -4.8. (Mine reads either -4.8, or -4.2 at it's highest hole) > 4) main wings are set at +3.4. ( I can get lots of readings, but they pretty much average out to +3.4) > > These reading were discussed with Bryan Melborne, and he said they were EXACTLY what I should have. These figures > are virtually identical to an Xtra pilot who has recently started flying his plane. > > To delve deeper into your concern about the incidence of the underside of the fuselage, I went ahead and made a couple > of additional readings while I had my digital level out. With my plane still propped up, in the -6.0 deg boom tube position, > the centerline, undeside of my fuselage, below where your legs would be, reads +.2 degrees. It has a very slight arch up toward the > front, but basically it's just a smidgeon positive (and that's with the tail way the heck up in the air!!!) > Then I measured the centerline of the bottom of the nosecone. +5.2 to + 5.3 degrees. It, too, has that rising arch, inline with the fuselage > arch. > > Now, I am curious why your (Ken's plane) readings are so off from mine. Whether MkIII or MkIII Xtra, the underside of the > fuselage's are virtually unaltered from the original MkIII shape. > > If I lower the tail end of the plane, back down to the floor, which I haven't done yet, but can, the underside of my fuselage > and nose cone are about 3-4 degs for the fuselage, and I'd bet 7-8 degrees for the nosecone. > > =46rom the angles you describe, including that -7.0 degree hor stabilizer position, no wonder the plane feels like a lawn dart. > I know I don't have the hundreds of hours flying the MkIII like you other guys have, but from the sound of things, that plane is rigged > to non-factory specs. IMO, unless I'm missing something. > Mike Welch > On Aug 22, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > >> Mike, I had to go dig out the last measurements I took. Relative to the engine mount the boom is at 7 degrees. That was fixed (set) by the cage weldment. The horizontal stabilizer is set right down the centerline of the boom. >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Mike, For one thing, you're reversing the effect of more negative angle of the horizontal stabilizer. Think of how a stabilator works, the more the leading edge is down, the more nose up on the wing. Two, the angle of the bottom of that portion of the fuselage forward of the struts WAS changed from that of the Mk III (C or whatever). It was decreased in an effort to get less separation on the bottom panel behind the struts. Rick On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Michael Welch wrote: > > > Rick, > > In my vigilant attempt to know as much as I can, especially when it comes > to getting the wings set correctly, > I went out and measured my plane. I don't mean to kick a dead horse, while > fun as that may be, your settings and readings > are quite a bit different than I would expect, and also different than my > own digital readings., and from I understand, > also different than Kolb Co. suggests. > > Here's what I just came up with on my plane just now; > > 1) engine mount zero, (factory established starting point) > 2) boom tube is supposed to read -6.0, (mine does exactly!) > 3) hor. stab. should be -4.8. (Mine reads either -4.8, or -4.2 at it's > highest hole) > 4) main wings are set at +3.4. ( I can get lots of readings, but they > pretty much average out to +3.4) > > These reading were discussed with Bryan Melborne, and he said they were > EXACTLY what I should have. These figures > are virtually identical to an Xtra pilot who has recently started flying > his plane. > > To delve deeper into your concern about the incidence of the underside of > the fuselage, I went ahead and made a couple > of additional readings while I had my digital level out. With my plane > still propped up, in the -6.0 deg boom tube position, > the centerline, undeside of my fuselage, below where your legs would be, > reads +.2 degrees. It has a very slight arch up toward the > front, but basically it's just a smidgeon positive (and that's with the > tail way the heck up in the air!!!) > > > Then I measured the centerline of the bottom of the nosecone. +5.2 to > + 5.3 degrees. It, too, has that rising arch, inline with the fuselage > arch. > > Now, I am curious why your (Ken's plane) readings are so off from mine. > Whether MkIII or MkIII Xtra, the underside of the > fuselage's are virtually unaltered from the original MkIII shape. > > If I lower the tail end of the plane, back down to the floor, which I > haven't done yet, but can, the underside of my fuselage > and nose cone are about 3-4 degs for the fuselage, and I'd bet 7-8 degrees > for the nosecone. > > From the angles you describe, including that -7.0 degree hor stabilizer > position, no wonder the plane feels like a lawn dart. > I know I don't have the hundreds of hours flying the MkIII like you other > guys have, but from the sound of things, that plane is rigged > to non-factory specs. IMO, unless I'm missing something. > > > Mike Welch > > > On Aug 22, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > > Mike, I had to go dig out the last measurements I took. Relative to the > engine mount the boom is at 7 degrees. That was fixed (set) by the cage > weldment. The horizontal stabilizer is set right down the centerline of the > boom. > > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Trailaplane
From: Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Hey Guys, Since that's my trailer you folks are referring to, I thought I might also comment. My Firefly first flew in November 2000 and that was the first airplane that I soloed. FAA had refused a medical so Firefly was only alternate for me. I bought it with the idea of trailering it 800 miles to Florida every winter and didn't want it to have travel damage so I built the hangers for the wings on the side of the trailer. I'll report that it went to Florida 5 times and suffered no damage. My plan worked. I stopped taking it to Florida when I started taking my new wife to Florida in 2005. Nuff said. I had a hangar for awhile but had to find a new location for the Firefly closer to my new home in 2004 and found one 15 minutes away but no hangar. So I have been flying out of my trailer since 2004. If I were only going to move the Firefly a few miles, I probably wouldn't remove the wings but I would be very careful in my driving and would make sure the wings had good support. My Firefly sells tomorrow and I have had several quick responses from my Barnstormer ad. Obviously a good place to list your Kolb. Gene ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2011
On Aug 22, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Mike, For one thing, you're reversing the effect of more negative angle of the horizontal stabilizer. I'm finally getting what you are referring to. > Think of how a stabilator works, the more the leading edge is down, the more nose up on the wing. Yes, I see where you are starting from in your statements. > Two, the angle of the bottom of that portion of the fuselage forward of the struts WAS changed from that of the Mk III (C or whatever). It was decreased in an effort to get less separation on the bottom panel behind the struts. I wasn't aware of that. Oh. > > Rick Rick, Now that I see where you were starting from in your desire to raise the nose, I understand. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Mike W ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2011
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 8/20/11 Forest Lake fly-in
Ralph, So glad to hear you havent given up , in my condition that is very i mportant! I hope the powers that be have good luck chasing down those finge rprints and I hope you get that Kolbra flying again I know that you underst and how I feel about flying Kolbs and wish you many more delightful hours . Chris=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0AFrom: Ralph B <rstar447(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: kolb- list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:01 PM=0ASubject: Kolb "Ralph B" =0A=0A"capedavis(at)yahoo.com"=0A> Ralph , T hanks for the pics- , About your engine, wasnt anyone caught fot that the ft? Thought they would be caught for sure .Hope your statement that your do ne flying it isnt true ! Hope things change, You still have your Firestar d ont you? Chris=0A> =0A>- =0A> Chris Davis=0A> KXP 503 492 hrs=0A> Glider Pilot=0A> Disabled from crash building Firefly=0A> =0A=0A=0AChris, the inve stigation is still on. The BCA (Bureau of Criminal- of Apprehension) has 3 sets of prints from the Kolbra. I will let people know if they find the c ulprits. Someone out there is looking at some serious jail time.=0A=0AI dec ided to rebuild the Kolbra. The airframe is intact, but it will need re-wir ing with a new panel, instruments, and engine. There were many custom-made parts that will need to be made. Mark German is willing to do this for me. He wants to see me get the Kolbra back in the air. I'm coming out of retire ment and looking for work. It will take 2 years for me to save the money to get what I want. A couple of years of of my life will be worth it to fly a gain. Good things come in time.=0A=0AThanks Chris for your interest in the case ...=0A=0ARalph B=0A=0A--------=0ARalph B=0AOriginal Firestar 447=0AN91 493 E-AB=0A1000 hours=0A24 years flying it=0AKolbra 912UL (engine and avion ics stolen on 5/17/11. Hanger break-in)=0AN20386=0Adone flying it=0A150 hrs =0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.co - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List ====== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Operating Manual
From: "rayw" <rmwis@wi-net.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2011
Hello, Has anyone compiled a POH for their KOLB. I am looking for an example to build from. Does any one have one that they would share? Ray Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350286#350286 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Operating Manual
Date: Aug 22, 2011
I did, but found that the DAR didn't really care or want to see it. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: rayw To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:06 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Operating Manual Hello, Has anyone compiled a POH for their KOLB. I am looking for an example to build from. Does any one have one that they would share? Ray Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350286#350286 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
Date: Aug 23, 2011
When I was in the process of installing that Xtra nosecone, I anticipated that it would 'cave in'(depress)>> Mike, you may have thought that but in practice it doesn`t. If you are happier with the added ribs (and weight) that's fine but they not needed.. Someone mentioned the aerodynamic properties of the nose. as far as is possible to tell from flying the Xtra does generate a bit of lift from the nose if you fly sideways or slip. It is just about noticeable and no problem. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
Date: Aug 23, 2011
Richard, sounds as though you have a real pig there. My Xtra does none of those things. The nose does not collapse, It does not want to dive into the ground, It will threepoint perfectly well. Something very basic wrong by the sound of it. My only grouse is the speed. With 2600 rpm from the Jabi I only get around 70 mph. I had expected 80 at least. I have no wheel spats which may have added a couple more mph but a) I am up against our MAUW rule and b) they fill up with mud in the winter. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2011
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
...My only grouse is the speed. With 2600 rpm from the Jabi I only get around 70 mph. I had expected 80 at least... Pat, What prop do you have on your Jabiru. I believe the few Jab powered MkIIIX here in the US are running 58" dia. x Sensenich props with about 40" pitch (I think) and they report cruise speeds above 80 mph but at higher rpm than 2600. Which is about the same cruise speed I see on my Slingshot with 64" diameter x 32" pitch. Due to the much larger diameter on mine, I expect mine is a good bit louder, which is why I rarely cruise at over about 2650 rpm, frequently slower when I'm not in a hurry. Thom in Buffalo On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > ** > Richard, > sounds as though you have a real pig there. > My Xtra does none of those things. > The nose does not collapse, It does not want to dive into the ground, It > will threepoint perfectly well. Something very basic wrong by the sound of > it. > > . I have no wheel spats which may have added a couple more mph but a) I am > up against our MAUW rule and b) they fill up with mud in the winter. > > Pat > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Operating Manual
From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2011
I developed one just for fun, and in case of a ramp check. Not sure if an experimental is required to have one to be legal, but it was fun anyway. Feedback welcome... Dave Watkins Kolb Mk III-C Pompano Beach, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350297#350297 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_operator_manual_8_13_11_230.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Operating Manual
From: "rayw" <rmwis@wi-net.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2011
FYI: I checked with the EAA. A POH is not required for amateur built aircraft. Dave thank you for your POH copy. It should be more than adequate to get me started. Just what I was looking for!! Ray Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350307#350307 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Operating Manual
From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2011
Glad to help, Ray. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350311#350311 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 23, 2011
From: jerb <ulflyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Beware Pay Pal Hoax eMail
Good Morning Folks, Heads Up - Be Alert - this morning I received an email supposedly from Pay-Pal stating your account has been limited and requesting the typical want to make sure no one last logged into your without your permission with a link to confirm your profile and account information and so on. Don't reply to it. I would not normally post this on the list but it came in on an address I only use on the list and the message itself was very well done and authentic except it has a flaw in the spelling of PayPal with character "I" where an "l" (lower case L) should be. If you did receive it, Do Not click on the link to their Resolution Center, or reply to it, just delete it. It is a scam to collect information to get access to your account. I use a program called Mail Washer, that shows the header information as an rr.com origination point. Don't reply to it and delete it and then reward yourself, go fly. jerb - . ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 23, 2011
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Trailaplane
At 05:03 AM 8/22/2011, JC Gilpin wrote: >My Australian ultralight license isn't recognized over there, so I can't >go to a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. Even then, I >think it would be a lot less complicated to stay under the radar in 103 >category?? Do you have to be a US citizen or resident to fly 103?? I'd >be hunting out quiet, little-used airstrips away from 'heavy metal' and >all the 'attitude'. Anybody can fly Part 103, no citizenship or residency required. >I notice that Gene removes the wings and secures them to the sides of the >trailer. Is this for reasons of keeping road rash from wearing at the >structural mounts, or for overall length, or whatever?? Seems that if you >could leave the wings on the FireFly and use a two-blade prop, you could >make a trailer that would be very slim and compact and easy to tow..... Trailering long distances can beat on the plane. so you need to support it as well as possible. If you keep the wings on the plane, the fuselage must be supported exactly at the folded wing support point. >I've been impressed by the performance of Kolbs ever since Sun'nFun >1990. But there are very few Kolbs in Aus. A couple of Mark 3's, but >that's about it. Our local regulations for Amateur Built Category allow >two seats and MTOW of 544kg (1200lb) so that easily allows a FireStar >here. I understand that a few two-seat tandem FireStars were built, but >can't find out more about them - any links or info appreciated. The Firestar II is the two seat tandem version; quite a few of them were built. This led to the Kolbra and Slingshot, but only the Firefly (and earlier Ultrastar and Flyer) are 103 legal ultralights. -Dana -- Please return stewardess to original upright position. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 23, 2011
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Pat, I'm well into the third of a three part article of all the things I've had to fix on this airplane. I believe I know what is causing the lawn dart syndrome and I'm well into the fix as I type. As soon as it's tested and the third part is finished, I'll publish them here. Probably under the heading, "For God's Sake, Don't Do This" or "How to Screw Up a Perfectly Good Airplane Without Really Trying". Rick On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > ...My only grouse is the speed. With 2600 rpm from the Jabi I only get > around 70 mph. I had expected 80 at least... > > Pat, > > What prop do you have on your Jabiru. I believe the few Jab powered MkIIIX > here in the US are running 58" dia. x Sensenich props with about 40" pitch > (I think) and they report cruise speeds above 80 mph but at higher rpm than > 2600. Which is about the same cruise speed I see on my Slingshot with 64" > diameter x 32" pitch. Due to the much larger diameter on mine, I expect mine > is a good bit louder, which is why I rarely cruise at over about 2650 rpm, > frequently slower when I'm not in a hurry. > > Thom in Buffalo > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > >> ** >> Richard, >> sounds as though you have a real pig there. >> My Xtra does none of those things. >> The nose does not collapse, It does not want to dive into the ground, It >> will threepoint perfectly well. Something very basic wrong by the sound of >> it. >> >> . I have no wheel spats which may have added a couple more mph but a) I am >> up against our MAUW rule and b) they fill up with mud in the winter. >> >> Pat >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2011
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
Rick, I'm sure all Kolbers will be interested in your article. You should be able to get Sport Aviation (and/or others) to publish it for the benefit of all builders or would-be-builders. Thom in Buffalo On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Pat, I'm well into the third of a three part article of all the things I've > had to fix on this airplane. I believe I know what is causing the lawn dart > syndrome and I'm well into the fix as I type. As soon as it's tested and the > third part is finished, I'll publish them here. Probably under the heading, > "For God's Sake, Don't Do This" or "How to Screw Up a Perfectly Good > Airplane Without Really Trying". > > Rick > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > >> ...My only grouse is the speed. With 2600 rpm from the Jabi I only get >> around 70 mph. I had expected 80 at least... >> >> Pat, >> >> What prop do you have on your Jabiru. I believe the few Jab powered MkIIIX >> here in the US are running 58" dia. x Sensenich props with about 40" pitch >> (I think) and they report cruise speeds above 80 mph but at higher rpm than >> 2600. Which is about the same cruise speed I see on my Slingshot with 64" >> diameter x 32" pitch. Due to the much larger diameter on mine, I expect mine >> is a good bit louder, which is why I rarely cruise at over about 2650 rpm, >> frequently slower when I'm not in a hurry. >> >> Thom in Buffalo >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: >> >>> ** >>> Richard, >>> sounds as though you have a real pig there. >>> My Xtra does none of those things. >>> The nose does not collapse, It does not want to dive into the ground, It >>> will threepoint perfectly well. Something very basic wrong by the sound of >>> it. >>> >>> . I have no wheel spats which may have added a couple more mph but a) I >>> am up against our MAUW rule and b) they fill up with mud in the winter. >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> * >>> >>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 23, 2011
From: George Bearden <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/22/11
> so I can't go to a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. I think the Firestar will easily meet the Light Sport requirements. This allows you to fly it with a Sport Pilot license. This license requires the training and flight time as a PPL. Also no special physical exam is required. **IF** you have never failed such an FAA required exam for a PPL. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 23, 2011
From: George Bearden <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 08/18/11
Oil and fuel Thanks for your great post Dana. > More oil = less fuel/air ratio so the engine is actually running lean. Back during the Pleistocene I was involved with 2-stroke motorcycles. Older guys told me that extra oil can form an insulating barrier between the cylinder skirts and the cylinder and cause a siezure. Makes me go Hmmmmm! Maybe it was a lean condition instead or along with. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/22/11
Date: Aug 23, 2011
Just so he is not confused: you can fly anything that meets the light sport requirements- 1350? (not sure of the exact weight) MPH limitations, whether it is registered as Light sport or experimental amateur built. However you will have to meet the 103 requirements if you do not have a Sport Pilot lic. A Firefly would meet that quite handily. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Bearden To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:23 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/22/11 > so I can't go to a FireStar in the Experimental category without a PPL. I think the Firestar will easily meet the Light Sport requirements. This allows you to fly it with a Sport Pilot license. This license requires =BD the training and flight time as a PPL. Also no special physical exam is required. **IF** you have never failed such an FAA required exam for a PPL. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter(at)aol.com>
Subject: Firefly for sale again
Date: Aug 24, 2011
Well, I had the Fireflly sold. The buyer came yesterday, took it and paid me. This morning he called and asked out of the deal. Since i am a firm believer in the Golden Rule, I let him out of the deal and gave his money back. He brought his wife, was 74, and I suspect she put him over the coals at the motel last night. So the Firefly is back on the market again. Gene ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Unique Bi/Fold Door
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2011
Having built my own bifold door for my Kolb, I notice any details of homebuilt bi fold doors where ever I go. Some teresting ideas; An elaborate geared shut off switch Raised Hinge Extensions -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350463#350463 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02457_126.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Unique bi/fold features
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2011
Having built my own bifold door for my Kolb, I notice any details of homebuilt bi fold doors where ever I go. Some interesting ideas here; An elaborate geared shut off switch Raised Hinge Extensions -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350464#350464 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02457_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02460_993.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Welding?
From: "ronlee" <rlee468(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 24, 2011
Do I ever agree with agree with the testing advice. I also have been a welder for most of my working life and I can guarantee that a pretty weld is not necessarily a strong weld, nor is a weld full of porosity any good. Test it by bending, twisting, hammering or what ever you have to do to break it. When you do break it look to see how well the weld penetrated into the base metal. it should pull some of the base metal out when it does break. A poor weld that looks pretty can also be brittle and break with little bending. Any time you test for a certified welding job they will do all of the above. -------- Ron Lee Tucson, Arizona Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350475#350475 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 24, 2011
From: George Bearden <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: CORRECTION Firefly license requirement
wrong: > This allows you to fly it with a Sport Pilot license. This license requires the training and flight time as a PPL. CORRECTION: This allows you to fly it with a Sport Pilot license. This license requires ONE HALF the training and flight time as a PPL. GeoB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb MIIIX vs. Classic
From: "Mic" <miceire(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2011
Thank you one and all for your input and a very interesting discussion. It is much appreciated. -------- Mic "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan "Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire." W.B. Yeats Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350522#350522 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: CORRECTION Firefly license requirement
From: "GeoB" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Aug 25, 2011
> I believe you are referring to a different model Kolb. > FireFly is Part 10(we don't need no stinking badges)3. No license required. Unless it has been modified so that it won't meet 103 rules. Please, lets not start picking at each other. -------- GeoB "Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350531#350531 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: CORRECTION Firefly license requirement
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Aug 25, 2011
Excellent picture George. I am posting it in our Mountain Empire Sport Flyers newsletter if you don't mind. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) -------- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350578#350578 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: International Space Station
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2011
http://www.n2yo.com/ At about Five miles a second, if your lucky enough to be within 500 miles it's interesting to watch it pass by after dark. 8) -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350592#350592 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic
From: "robhock" <robhocking(at)robhocking.karoo.co.uk>
Date: Aug 27, 2011
Hi Folks. Just joined this site but like others here I'm interested in getting steel legs for my Kolb Twinstar Mk3. Where do I get them though? I'm in the UK so would prefer to get them locally but resigned to have to order them from the States. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350724#350724 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kulula is an Airline in Johannesburg South Africa
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2011
WHAT A PITY KULULA DOESN'T FLY INTERNATIONALLY - WE SHOULD SUPPORT THEM IF ONLY FOR THEIR HUMOUR - SO TYPICALLY SOUTH AFRICAN. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350737#350737 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/j_147.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/i_130.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/k_103.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: End User <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Tube steel legs for Kolb MK3 Classic
Date: Aug 27, 2011
Order them straight from Kolb. Not cheap but you will love them. BB MkIII, suzuki On Aug 27, 2011, at 5:18 AM, robhock wrote: > > > Hi Folks. Just joined this site but like others here I'm interested > in getting steel legs for my Kolb Twinstar Mk3. Where do I get them > though? I'm in the UK so would prefer to get them locally but > resigned to have to order them from the States. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350724#350724 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Shimming...save on wear & tear
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2011
How many set up their wings, shim them with aircraft bolts and washers and leave them permanently set up, versus using 'quick release' clevis & pins. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350763#350763 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/shimming_560.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02478_126.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: tailspring?
From: "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Aug 27, 2011
My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is. When I look at pictures of other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight. Mine has a nice little curve to it. My question is, can I remove it, cut it off when it is bent, re insert it and have an overall shorter tailspring, or should I just call Travis and buy a new one, or are there any alternatives? thanks, Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350769#350769 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_resize_274.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 27, 2011
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: tailspring?
- What happens if you take the weight off it for a while?- What model K olb?- Mine is a fiberglass rod, and I think they would take a "set". ------------------------- ------------- Bill Sullivan ------------------------- ------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------- FS 447 --- On Sat, 8/27/11, tkben002 wrote: From: tkben002 <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net> Subject: Kolb-List: tailspring? Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 1:13 PM My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is.- When I look at pi ctures of other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight.- Mine has a nice little curve to it.- My question is, can I remove it, cut it off wh en it is bent, re insert it and have an overall shorter tailspring, or shou ld I just call Travis and buy a new one, or are there any alternatives? thanks, Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350769#350769 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_resize_274.jpg le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tailspring?
Date: Aug 27, 2011
From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com>
Pick up the back of your airplane and look to see if it is bent if not cu t it in half and you wont have one that looks bent I always used half of what they send you Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: tkben002 <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 1:13 pm Subject: Kolb-List: tailspring? My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is. When I look at pic tures f other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight. Mine has a nice lit tle urve to it. My question is, can I remove it, cut it off when it is bent, re nsert it and have an overall shorter tailspring, or should I just call Tra vis nd buy a new one, or are there any alternatives? thanks, Travis Bennett ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350769#350769 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_resize_274.jpg -======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Kolb-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tailspring?
From: "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Aug 27, 2011
It is on a Kolbra. I am pretty sure it is aluminum tube. I was planning on shortening it but was not sure if there was a reason not to. Thanks, Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350776#350776 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: tailspring?
Date: Aug 27, 2011
It is on a Kolbra. I am pretty sure it is aluminum tube. I was planning on shortening it but was not sure if there was a reason not to. Thanks, Travis Bennett >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. it should be solid alum rod. i left mine full length,,, some have shortened theirs. my thought was if the rod is shortened, it will put more shock load on the steel frame. then on the other hand,,, when longer there is more spring,,, but a longer moment arm which would make things bend with less force. pick your poison. boyd young mkiii utah. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: End User <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: tailspring?
Date: Aug 27, 2011
Mark the exit point with a felt tip and cut it there. The point where they eventually break, if it flexes enough times, is at that point. You will be doing yourself a favor. BB On Aug 27, 2011, at 1:13 PM, tkben002 wrote: > > My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is. When I look > at pictures of other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight. > Mine has a nice little curve to it. My question is, can I remove > it, cut it off when it is bent, re insert it and have an overall > shorter tailspring, or should I just call Travis and buy a new one, > or are there any alternatives? > > thanks, > > Travis Bennett > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350769#350769 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_resize_274.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2011
Subject: Re: tailspring?
The Slingshot is VERY tail heavy, so after bending the tail wheel rod (more than once I think), the builder fixed it permanently with a very stout leaf spring. See photo below. It is probably overkill for Kolbs with lighter tails. On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 2:16 PM, b young wrote: > > > It is on a Kolbra. I am pretty sure it is aluminum tube. I was planning > on shortening it but was not sure if there was a reason not to. > > Thanks, > > Travis Bennett > >> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it should be solid alum rod. i left mine full length,,, some have > shortened theirs. my thought was if the rod is shortened, it will put > more shock load on the steel frame. then on the other hand,,, when longer > there is more spring,,, but a longer moment arm which would make things > bend with less force. pick your poison. > > boyd young > mkiii utah. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 27, 2011
Subject: Re: tailspring?
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
One thing that will happen if you straighten the tailwheel post is that it will restore the kingpin angle to swept forward, like the manufacturer intended, to keep the tailwheel from, for lack of a better term, fluttering. Think of the wheel on a shopping cart that wobbles back and forth uncommanded as you push the cart. You can also replace the solid aluminum post with 4130 tube and it will be a little lighter. 3/4" X .065" wall will work nicely. You can also have it heat treated up to RC 130 to make it a true spring so it won't bend again. Another thing you might consider it to change out the springs from tension to compression so you don't have to worry about the hook breaking or pulling out. Rick Girard On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 1:28 PM, End User wrote: > > Mark the exit point with a felt tip and cut it there. The point where they > eventually break, if it flexes enough times, is at that point. > You will be doing yourself a favor. > BB > > > On Aug 27, 2011, at 1:13 PM, tkben002 wrote: > >> >> My tailspring is a little bent, atleast I think it is. When I look at >> pictures of other peoples planes the tailsprings look straight. Mine has a >> nice little curve to it. My question is, can I remove it, cut it off when >> it is bent, re insert it and have an overall shorter tailspring, or should I >> just call Travis and buy a new one, or are there any alternatives? >> >> thanks, >> >> Travis Bennett >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=350769#350769> >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//**files/tailspring_resize_274.**jpg> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tailspring?
From: "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Aug 27, 2011
Well, I went ahead and took it off, and yep, it was bent. So, while I had it off I cut off the first 7" or so and drilled a hole and now I have a shorter tailspring. I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any differences (expect it to be stiffer). Thom, What size tailwheel is that? What manufacturer? Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350792#350792 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_bent_resize_106.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_short_resize_139.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2011
Subject: Re: tailspring?
Travis, My tailwheel is six inch diameter from Aviation Products, Inc. in California (from the sticker on the side), probably available thru Aircraft Spruce. Thom On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 4:20 PM, tkben002 wrote: > > Well, I went ahead and took it off, and yep, it was bent. So, while I had > it off I cut off the first 7" or so and drilled a hole and now I have a > shorter tailspring. I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any > differences (expect it to be stiffer). > > Thom, What size tailwheel is that? What manufacturer? > > Travis Bennett > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350792#350792 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_bent_resize_106.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_short_resize_139.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: tailspring?
Date: Aug 27, 2011
Travis, You have moved the tailwheel forward enough that it has moved your CG forward some amount. So be alert the next time you fly and see if you can tell any difference. Gene On Aug 27, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Thom Riddle wrote: > Travis, > > My tailwheel is six inch diameter from Aviation Products, Inc. in California (from the sticker on the side), probably available thru Aircraft Spruce. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tailspring?
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Date: Aug 27, 2011
tkben002 wrote: > . . . snip . . . . I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any differences (expect it to be stiffer). > . . . snip. . > Travis Bennett For those of you who have done this, should he expect any difference in ground handling or takeoff because of the tail being closer to the ground? -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350797#350797 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kulula is an Airline in Johannesburg South Africa
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2011
Thanks Dana, The intended humor was not suitable for 'some' on this forum. I'll have to start checking with Snopes . http://www.snopes.com/ My Apology ! Dennis [Wink] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350811#350811 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 2/27/11 Glencoe Minnesota fly-in
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2011
I flew the old Firestar to Glencoe this morning. It was a good fly-in with brats, hot dogs, and corn on the cob. PIC's got a free meal. Here are some pictures ... log into Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.267841199910627.80705.100000542485187 Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 24 years flying it Kolbra 912UL (engine and avionics stolen on 5/17/11. Hanger break-in) N20386 done flying it 150 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350822#350822 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 8/27/11 Glencoe Minnesota fly-in
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2011
Nice pics, nice Firestar, maybe I'll see you Jewel's today! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350841#350841 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 28, 2011
From: Danny <dan42101(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kulula is an Airline in Johannesburg South Africa
Here's the link to Snopes on the photos...=0Ahttp://www.snopes.com/photos/a irplane/kulula.asp=0A=C2-=0AFrom: Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com>=0A ject: Kolb-List: Re: Kulula is an Airline in Johannesburg South Africa=0A =0A=0AThanks Dana,=0A=0A=C2- =C2- The intended=C2- humor was not suit able for 'some' on this forum. I'll have to start checking with Snopes .=0A http://www.snopes.com/=0A=0AMy Apology !=0ADennis=C2- [Wink]=0A=0A------- -=0ABoth optimists and pessimists contribute to our society.=C2- The opti mist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute.=C2- ~Gil Stern =0A=0A=9DThese flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on=9D Unknown=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online he re:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350811#350811=0A=0A =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ===== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 28, 2011
Subject: Re: tailspring?
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
No, I've done this mod on a IIIC and a IIIX. The only difference you might notice is that it will release to full caster a little easier since the shorter rod doesn't flex as much. Rick Girard On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 4:07 PM, George Alexander wrote: > > > tkben002 wrote: > > . . . snip . . . . I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any > differences (expect it to be stiffer). > > . . . snip. . > > Travis Bennett > > > For those of you who have done this, should he expect any difference in > ground handling or takeoff because of the tail being closer to the ground? > > -------- > George Alexander > FS II R503 N709FS > http://www.oh2fly.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350797#350797 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 28, 2011
Subject: Re: tailspring?
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
It's the same as you have, just a 6" wheel instead of 4", and a spring mount instead of a rod mount. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/homebuilder_tailwheel.php Rick On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, tkben002 wrote: > > Well, I went ahead and took it off, and yep, it was bent. So, while I had > it off I cut off the first 7" or so and drilled a hole and now I have a > shorter tailspring. I will try it out tomorrow to see if there are any > differences (expect it to be stiffer). > > Thom, What size tailwheel is that? What manufacturer? > > Travis Bennett > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350792#350792 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_bent_resize_106.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_short_resize_139.jpg > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jerry Deckard" <flypoker(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Firestar Kit
Date: Aug 28, 2011
Listed my Firestar kit on ebay. There is no reserve. Includes 447 Item 150655383275 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wanamingo Mn, Jewel Ness's Cherry Grove Central Airpark
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2011
19th annual Wanamingo Mn, Jewel Ness's Cherry Grove Central Airpark Fly-In is Minnesota's largest & Oldest celebration of Sport Aviation. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350878#350878 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02563_161.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02506_678.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02518_385.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02492_351.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02591_556.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wanamingo Mn, Jewel Ness's Cherry Grove Central Airpark
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2011
I took some pictures too. Log into Facebook and see them here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.268280959866651.80795.100000542485187 Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 24 years flying it Kolbra 912UL (engine and avionics stolen on 5/17/11. Hanger break-in) N20386 done flying it 150 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350881#350881 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wanamingo Mn, Jewel Ness's Cherry Grove Central Airpark
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2011
:o I didn't see you...or I would have shot you ! [Wink] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350883#350883 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02562_188.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A day of fun, 8.11.11
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Date: Aug 28, 2011
Great Post...and Great videos Dave...cant tell you how much I miss that machine! I the last 33 years..I have owned 8 Flying machines...built 6 of em..and that one is the one I look back on with the most desire to fly again....none other are even a close second. I think about it often, as I am looking for my next project, and my summary thoughts are, The FlagFly is the ONLY one that did everything I told it to..and NOTHING else..all the rest did things I didnt tell them to..each to varing degrees, and as pilot in command there was effort spent KEEPING in command...not so with the Kolb...It minded better than anything I have ever had the pleasure to fly. AS to my current ride...its OK..logged my 268th hour in it today...but it is always doing things I dont tell it to.... -------- Don G. Central Illinois Kitfox IV Speedster Luscombe 8A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350884#350884 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wanamingo Mn, Jewel Ness's Cherry Grove Central Airpark
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2011
We'll hook up next year. Here's a few more pics. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350903#350903 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02602_389.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02555_166.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02589_144.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02583_266.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2011
From: David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net>
Subject: Re: A day of fun, 8.11.11
Don, You make me feel a tad guilty. I love it too and frequently feel conscious gratiude for your meticulous building. Now I've just learned something else it can do, and it proves it's aptly named a 'Fly. Sat. AM, before the hurricane hit, I went up to the strip to fully secure the FlagFly in its hangar/trailer. I always strap down the main gear, but with a hurricane coming I tied down all the precautions I built into the trailer. Besides securing the mains, I also ran a nylon strap from an eye bolt on the floor, around the boom tube just in front of the hor. stab twice and back down to the eye bolt. The wings rest in the cradle you made and I ran a nylon strap from an eye bolt mid-wing on the wall, over the wings at a hinge (padded both wings) to an eye bolt mid-wing on the opposite wall. I moved the ramps from the floor in the rear and put them in the 6' in the nose where the FF never goes, took the steel signpost tailwheel track out and put it under the trailer, lashed down the control for the winch I never use, put the gap seal in the nose and moved all the rest of any loose equipment from near the FF and put it in the nose. Then the hurricane hit us Sat night. I tried to stay awake in case the elec. went off so I could hook in the generator, but I fell asleep and woke at 7 AM with over 2' of water in the basement. Hooked up the gen and began the 8 hour pumping necessary to remove the water; then found a place I could get to that was open for breakfast. Mickey Dee's is better than nothing... The torrential rain stopped late yesterday AM so I thot I was done with my problems, but the gusts picked up with the tail end of the storm passing through. Then my cell rang and caller ID showed the fellow who owns the airstrip. My heart sunk. I answered and Carlton said, "Dave, I've got bad news....." My heart sunk even further. He was out checking the strip, etc., for downed trees when the severe gusts moved through, heard a loud bump and turned to look and all he could see was the bottom of my trailer! I drove the 22 miles in severe gusts with severe ripping in my chest. I rolled the rear door open, climbed through walking on the wall between the FF and the roof... and could see no damage!!!!!! I took the fuel tank out, since it was dripping fuel, closed the trailer door as best I could and came home. Went up this morning to meet Butch, who used to own the strip, but we couldn't budge it with his front end loader. Too much weight with the bucket too high and the back tires just made ruts in place, so I've got to get a heavier machine somewhere so we can lower it down very, very gently. No damage yet and I don't want any from getting it upright. While I was there I shifted the mess of ramps, cabinets, wheels, cradles for the wings-in-transit, etc., so that when it is rolled over nothing hits the FF. No way to get anything out of the nose, so that's my only option. Check the photos. She's just hanging on the wall sideways like a fly!!! Nothing's touching the wall (the edge of the prop made a mark bud didn't even dent the plywood) and the only thing distorted is the tail wheel. There's no strain on the wings; I even adjusted the padding back into position so it's effective when we roll it back. The shot of the nose is through the window in the front of the trailer. The yellow nylon strap across the nose is just he strap I use to pull it into the trailer, hooked to the strut pins. Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK PS Yesterday was also my birthday... ** *Subject: * /*_Re: A day of fun, 8.11.11_*/ *From: * */"Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net <mailto:donghe@one-eleven.net>>/* Great Post...and Great videos Dave...cant tell you how much I miss that machine! I the last 33 years..I have owned 8 Flying machines...built 6 of em..and that one is the one I look back on with the most desire to fly again....none other are even a close second. I think about it often, as I am looking for my next project, and my summary thoughts are, The FlagFly is the ONLY one that did everything I told it to..and NOTHING else..all the rest did things I didnt tell them to..each to varing degrees, and as pilot in command there was effort spent KEEPING in command...not so with the Kolb...It minded better than anything I have ever had the pleasure to fly. AS to my current ride...its OK..logged my 268th hour in it today...but it is always doing things I dont tell it to.... -------- Don G. Central Illinois Kitfox IV Speedster Luscombe 8A** ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2011
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: A day of fun 8/11/11
- Dave- You were so lucky.- Preparedness helps a lot.- I got lucky. - The Firestar is in the middle of the yard, with the wings spread and ti ed down.- The tail is folded, and a concrete block tied to the wheel.- My biggest worry was branches falling.- The yard is boxed in with fences and buildings, so a lift off wasn't a problem.- As it turned out, we have taken more damage from all the thunderstorms this year.- It's good to se e the Flagfly survived. ------------------------- ------------------------ Bi ll Sullivan ------------------------- ------------------------ Wi ndsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ------------------------ FS 447 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A day of fun, 8.11.11
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Date: Aug 29, 2011
Dave..HOLY COW...I would say that you had an angel whispering in your ear, when you had the thought to tie it down inside that trailer extra good !...and thanks goodness for that!..It doesnt look by those pics that anything serious has happened...although I know that when you get it out and inspect it real well...something might come up...but never fear my friend...they build easy...fix easy...and you will just bond with it stronger by making repairs if you need them. -------- Don G. Central Illinois Kitfox IV Speedster Luscombe 8A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350953#350953 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wanamingo Mn, Jewel Ness's Cherry Grove Central Airpark
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2011
Dennis.... Nice pictures ! Looked like a fun fly-in ! Keep them coming ! chris ambrose N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350982#350982 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tailspring?
From: "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Aug 30, 2011
Just figured I would give an update.... I went flying over the weekend to test out the shorter tail. As far as handling due to any CG changes there were none. However, I did not do a great job of drilling out the new hole. Acutally the hole in the tailpost is not straight, so I had to enlarge the hole in the tailspring rod so the bolt would fit thru. I tightened it down and I thought it was fine, but it wasnt. After the first flight on landing the tailwheel went to the side and there was no straightening it back to center. The landing was ok and no groundloop but the taxi back to the trailer involved some whirly doo's on the taxi way. Anyway, learning experience (and I already cut another inch off and redrilled and also ordered a new tailspring from Travis. Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351044#351044 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_loose_resize_866.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 31, 2011
From: 1planeguy <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us>
Subject: Contact info
Sorry for the dumb question...been out of the Kolb loop for awhile. Understand the company changed ownership, Is there any new contact info? Seem to remember Bryan Melborn took over? Jeremy ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: EIS Capacitor exploded
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2011
[ 'Caused' by a 'spike' in voltage...'causes' a 'spike' in high blood pressure !] [Shocked] Anyone know an address of how to get a replacement fast. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351121#351121 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tailspring?
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2011
Travis, This is a quick cure for the tail spring rattle and misalignment.Remove the tail spring,cut two slots in the short stub of the open end of the tail sp ring tube so that the clamp can compress the tube around the spring when it is tightened.The clamp is aluminum,1/2 inch thick, with 2 counter sunk cap screws that tighten from the bottom....JBM made mine but it's a simple mac hine shop operation. Here is a photo. G.Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200A 638 hrs. -----Original Message----- From: tkben002 <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tue, Aug 30, 2011 5:50 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: tailspring? Just figured I would give an update.... I went flying over the weekend to test out the shorter tail. As far as han dling due to any CG changes there were none. However, I did not do a great job o f drilling out the new hole. Acutally the hole in the tailpost is not straig ht, so I had to enlarge the hole in the tailspring rod so the bolt would fit th ru. I tightened it down and I thought it was fine, but it wasnt. After the fir st flight on landing the tailwheel went to the side and there was no straighte ning it back to center. The landing was ok and no groundloop but the taxi back to the trailer involved some whirly doo's on the taxi way. Anyway, learning experience (and I already cut another inch off and redrilled and also order ed a new tailspring from Travis. Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351044#351044 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_loose_resize_866.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: EIS Capacitor exploded
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2011
Radio shack had them -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 3:22 pm Subject: Kolb-List: EIS Capacitor exploded [ 'Caused' by a 'spike' in voltage...'causes' a 'spike' in high blood press ure !] [Shocked] Anyone know an address of how to get a replacement fast. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist inve nts the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern =C3=A2=C2=C2=C3=A2=C2=C2=9DThese flying machines are just a fad an d will never catch on=C3=A2=C2=C2=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351121#351121 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: EIS Capacitor exploded
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2011
Thanks -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351143#351143 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tailspring?
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2011
Travis, I don't know how many hours you have on your plane but you should really co nsider installing the John Hauk braces on the tail ring.They will save you a ton of grief down the road.You can see them in that photo I posted for yo u. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: tkben002 <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tue, Aug 30, 2011 5:50 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: tailspring? Just figured I would give an update.... I went flying over the weekend to test out the shorter tail. As far as han dling due to any CG changes there were none. However, I did not do a great job o f drilling out the new hole. Acutally the hole in the tailpost is not straig ht, so I had to enlarge the hole in the tailspring rod so the bolt would fit th ru. I tightened it down and I thought it was fine, but it wasnt. After the fir st flight on landing the tailwheel went to the side and there was no straighte ning it back to center. The landing was ok and no groundloop but the taxi back to the trailer involved some whirly doo's on the taxi way. Anyway, learning experience (and I already cut another inch off and redrilled and also order ed a new tailspring from Travis. Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351044#351044 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tailspring_loose_resize_866.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb vs Flightstar
From: "SS568" <david(at)PaulowniaTrees.com>
Date: Sep 01, 2011
Has anyone flown and/or owned both a Flightstar and a Kolb? Questions arise about the flight characteristics , durability, cost or repair etc. Is it classified as a tractor type? There seems to be lots of them listed on Barnstormers for sale. Thanks, David d. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351184#351184 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb vs Flightstar
Date: Sep 01, 2011
David, I haven't owned a FlightStar, but I took a dual-lesson in one. I liked it a lot. The instructor asked me if I'd like to do a dead-stick landing (we were 2000' above the airport). I said "sure, why not"? He reaches up and turns off the engine. That kind of shocked me a bit. I thought he meant...just throttle back to idle! Nope, we wuz a glider!!! Since it was all up to me, because he was insistent on just being a passenger, I immediately set up a great flight pattern, great airspeeds, and eventually, a great landing. The FlightStar always was one of my favorite light-planes, and getting a lesson in one confirmed it flew very well, too. Yes, it is a tractor configuration. I've never been up in a two-seat Kolb, so I couldn't tell if the Kolb would have performed any different, but I suspect it would. (that's why I bought one to build!!) Mike Welch MkIII On Sep 1, 2011, at 10:21 AM, SS568 wrote: > > Has anyone flown and/or owned both a Flightstar and a Kolb? > > Questions arise about the flight characteristics , durability, cost or repair etc. > Is it classified as a tractor type? > > There seems to be lots of them listed on Barnstormers for sale. > > Thanks, > David d. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351184#351184 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 01, 2011
Subject: Re: Kolb vs Flightstar
I have owned three Kolbs and flown one other Kolb. I flew a FLightstar 2-seat once and was not impressed. I have heard better things about the single seat Flightstar. Thom in Buffalo On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:21 AM, SS568 wrote: > > Has anyone flown and/or owned both a Flightstar and a Kolb? > > Questions arise about the flight characteristics , durability, cost or > repair etc. > Is it classified as a tractor type? > > There seems to be lots of them listed on Barnstormers for sale. > > Thanks, > David d. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351184#351184 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 01, 2011
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb vs Flightstar
My dead stick in a mk III was an unplanned engine out over the airport....a non event...My training was in sailplanes...Though I had electric start...I did not try since I had the runway made... The engine started right up once on the ground...never had another problem...checked the engine over thoroughly ... Rotax 532... Herb At 10:57 AM 9/1/2011, you wrote: > >David, > > I haven't owned a FlightStar, but I took a dual-lesson in one. I > liked it a lot. > > The instructor asked me if I'd like to do a dead-stick landing > (we were 2000' above the airport). >I said "sure, why not"? He reaches up and turns off the >engine. That kind of shocked >me a bit. I thought he meant...just throttle back to idle! Nope, >we wuz a glider!!! > > Since it was all up to me, because he was insistent on just being > a passenger, I immediately >set up a great flight pattern, great airspeeds, and eventually, a >great landing. The FlightStar >always was one of my favorite light-planes, and getting a lesson in >one confirmed it flew very >well, too. > Yes, it is a tractor configuration. > > I've never been up in a two-seat Kolb, so I couldn't tell if the > Kolb would have performed >any different, but I suspect it would. (that's why I bought one to build!!) > >Mike Welch >MkIII > > >On Sep 1, 2011, at 10:21 AM, SS568 wrote: > > > > > Has anyone flown and/or owned both a Flightstar and a Kolb? > > > > Questions arise about the flight characteristics , durability, > cost or repair etc. > > Is it classified as a tractor type? > > > > There seems to be lots of them listed on Barnstormers for sale. > > > > Thanks, > > David d. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351184#351184 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A day of fun, 8.11.11
From: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com>
Date: Sep 01, 2011
David Delighted that your 'Fly suffered no damage. You're lucky, but you MADE your own luck, with sensible & careful preparations. Congratulations. Russ K ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb vs Flightstar
From: "joepilot503" <joepilot503(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 01, 2011
Yes, I was trained in a flightstar 11 as a ultralight pilot & sport pilot. It had a 60 hp HKS and it is a great plane, I own a firestar. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351217#351217 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 01, 2011
From: "Bruce C. Anderson" <bcanderson(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Kolb as a Glider
Howdy I am looking to build an ultralight glider, and wonder if the Kolb flyer would work without the engine. Does anybody know the empty weight of a Kolb Flyer without engine and associated equipment? What is the power off glide ratio? What is your opinion of the suitability of this aircraft as a glider? Thanks! See Ya Have Lots of FUN Bruce "I've given up on the truth. Now, I only strive for Plausibility" 0.0000001 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pcking" <pc.king(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb as a Glider
Date: Sep 01, 2011
Bruce, Try looking at the Sandlin line of ultralight sailplanes. http://m-sandlin.info/ Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce C. Anderson" <bcanderson(at)cableone.net> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:12 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb as a Glider > > > Howdy > > I am looking to build an ultralight glider, and wonder if the Kolb flyer > would work without the engine. > Does anybody know the empty weight of a Kolb Flyer without engine and > associated equipment? > What is the power off glide ratio? > What is your opinion of the suitability of this aircraft as a glider? > > Thanks! > > See Ya > > Have Lots of FUN > > Bruce > > "I've given up on the truth. Now, I only strive for Plausibility" > > 0.0000001 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 01, 2011
From: "Bruce C. Anderson" <bcanderson(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb as a Glider
Howdy Pete Yes, That site is my inspiration, I am looking for alternatives. See Ya Have Lots of FUN Bruce "I've given up on the truth. Now, I only strive for Plausibility" 0.0000001 On 9/1/2011 9:29 PM, pcking wrote: > > > Bruce, > > Try looking at the Sandlin line of ultralight sailplanes. > > http://m-sandlin.info/ > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce C. Anderson" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:12 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb as a Glider > > >> >> >> Howdy >> >> I am looking to build an ultralight glider, and wonder if the Kolb >> flyer would work without the engine. >> Does anybody know the empty weight of a Kolb Flyer without engine and >> associated equipment? >> What is the power off glide ratio? >> What is your opinion of the suitability of this aircraft as a glider? >> >> Thanks! >> >> See Ya >> >> Have Lots of FUN >> >> Bruce >> >> "I've given up on the truth. Now, I only strive for Plausibility" >> >> 0.0000001 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Video...
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Sep 01, 2011
Hi all ! I took up a reporter from our local paper the other day and recorded the flight....if you have nothing else to do,take a look ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nEUAc6R_ic chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru 215.0 hrs N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351234#351234 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb vs Flightstar
From: "SS568" <david(at)PaulowniaTrees.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Thanks all for the replies and comments. Not to get too far from "a Kolb forum". I noticed when researching the web sites for the Flightstar, they have an electric LSA. They used a lot of hype . I never found the specifications or flight data. It would be interesting to find the duration on one charge of electrons. I would guess they have spent a ton of money on such a project. (Kolb let someone else do the R and D.) One area of interest would be using the wing area for Photo cells to extend the flight time. Kinda hard to do with electric cars. D D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351239#351239 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video...
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Will she write a story about this flight ? ...if so, maybe you can post it here on the forum. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351240#351240 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video...
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Chris, Good for our sport and also a great way to meet cute reporters! G.Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200A 638hrs -----Original Message----- From: ces308 <ces308(at)ldaco.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:06 am Subject: Kolb-List: New Video... Hi all ! I took up a reporter from our local paper the other day and recorded the flight....if you have nothing else to do,take a look ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nEUAc6R_ic chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru 215.0 hrs N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351234#351234 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video...
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Gary -Dennis ..-all... She saw another guys Firestar up here and started asking questions and he pointed her in my direction as he has never flown his yet.When she came into the hangar and saw the airplane,the first thing she said was ,"How does it feel when you are flying in this ?" Well,what else could I say but,lets go find out ! lol She loved the ride ! She is putting the story together and when it comes out I will post it...! A side note...I have offered to take him up to get an idea of how these things fly,but we haven't hooked up yet.... chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru A-2200 N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351258#351258 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video...
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Good video Chris. You might try that audio cord to plug into your camera to reduce noise when talking to your passenger. It worked well for me. Here's the link again: http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/sep/1978 Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000 hours 24 years flying it Kolbra 912UL (engine and avionics stolen on 5/17/11. Hanger break-in) N20386 done flying it 150 hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351260#351260 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: New Video...
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Nice flight. Is that a check list I see before me? What is on it? Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video...
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Hi Ralph....My camera does not have an audio in... :( I wish it did...and you never know what YouTube will let you play on the videos...so I don't even try anymore.... Pat...Yes I do have a check list....I will try and post it for you... This is the check list ...not the V speed reminder right in front of me...the check list is on a string off to the side for easy ref...Feel free any one to use this check list ..or adjust it to your plane.... chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351273#351273 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_mark_3_xtra_check_list_416.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video...
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Side note....Jabiru engines should be warmed to 80* F ...I think thats 59* c on the list....I have it changed on my list... chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351274#351274 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: New Video...
Date: Sep 02, 2011
This is the checklist>> Thanks Chris . I may adapt that. I do not have a separate fuel pump for instance and with the trim right forward I would struggle to get off the ground. I use about half. I trim almost right forward for cruise. Incidentally. what cruise speed do you get at 2800? Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Subject: Re: New Video...
Pat, and Chris, and Gary (and any other Jabiru Kolbers). What prop are you running? I suspect mine is longer than most Kolbers. Mine is Tennessee Wood Prop 64" diameter x 31" pitch, as stamped on the hub, but the pitch measures closer to 32". Not same airframe as you guys but is same/similar engine and probably similar cruise speeds. Thom in Buffalo On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Pat Ladd wrote: > > This is the checklist>> > > Thanks Chris . > > I may adapt that. > I do not have a separate fuel pump for instance and with the trim right > forward I would struggle to get off the ground. I use about half. I trim > almost right forward for cruise. > > Incidentally. what cruise speed do you get at 2800? > > Pat > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb vs Flightstar
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Years ago I put the half windows on the MKIII, climbed to 10,000 over a country airport at early evening (wore my jacket) and shut it off, played all sorts of silly games on the way down. Took awhile to descend that far. Landed dead stick, took the jacket off, started it up and flew it home. I need to do that again this summer before it gets cold. For that matter, all of us need to do that this summer before it gets cold. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) -------- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351280#351280 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video...
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
ok..... This is wheree I got the 59* from.... 4.3 Warming Up Period, Ground Test Start the warming up period with the engine running at 1200 RPM. Continue at 2000 RPM depending on ambient temperature, until oil temperature reaches 15C (59F). I make sure it's at least 80* before I start heading out the runway.. And Thom...My prop is a Sensenich 58" x 44 pitch... chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351281#351281 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video...
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
LOL....you'll never convince anyone up here that this thing is quieter than anything !!! I think it was FLYING or AOPA mag has a interview with Burt Rutan and he says the noise factor was the reason he stopped designing pusher aircraft.... chris ambrose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351286#351286 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video...
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Chris, We need to do that more often.See someone who has interest? take em' for a ride. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: ces308 <ces308(at)ldaco.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 11:39 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Video... Gary -Dennis ..-all... She saw another guys Firestar up here and started asking questions and he pointed her in my direction as he has never flown his yet.When she came in to the hangar and saw the airplane,the first thing she said was ,"How does it feel when you are flying in this ?" Well,what else could I say but,lets go find out ! lol She loved the ride ! She is putting the story together and when it com es out I will post it...! A side note...I have offered to take him up to get an idea of how these thi ngs fly,but we haven't hooked up yet.... chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru A-2200 N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351258#351258 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: New Video...
Date: Sep 02, 2011
I wonder what the physics is behind the noise factor, tractor vs pusher? BB, MkIII, suzuki Bob B/Folks: Don't know what the physics is behind the noise, but the tractor runs in clean, undisturbed air, and the pusher is trying to operate in very disturbed air. Difference between night and day between a 912S with a 72" Warp Drive on a pusher or a tractor. The tractor seems to whisper along, while the Kolb is raising Hell. john h mkIII Blanding, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gary Thacker <gbthacker(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Video...
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Yeah I saw one of those. I can't imagine the prop wash on a open cockpit t ractor. By the way I watched a couple of you videos and enjoyed them both. I appr eciate the smooth video it almost makes me feel I am there. Can't say that for most I have seen. Gary Souderton=2C Pa. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb(at)pa.net>
Subject: Re: New Video...
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Kolbers ... console yourselves with what you have: the grass is not greener on the other side of the prop!! At TOK Aircraft company we made several tractor prototypes before the TwinStars as our first attempt at 2 seaters. WE did not like the following about (our) tractors: Prop turbulence Exhaust smells Reduced visibility Being congenitally joined to a windshield - yes we did try flying without a windshield and it isn't much fun either. A little extra noise seems a very small price to pay to be rid of all the above. Dennis PS I still have 2 of the tractors; I rescued them from the trash heap when Homer was in one of his cleaning-up / throwing out modes. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Video... Mine is pretty noisy too. although folks on the ground say it is quiet. Maybe just polite neighbors. I wonder what the physics is behind the noise factor, tractor vs pusher? BB, MkIII, suzuki ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2011
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: New Video...
At 10:24 PM 9/2/2011, Gary Thacker wrote: >Yeah I saw one of those. I can't imagine the prop wash on a open cockpit >tractor. From what I've heard (never flown one), it's not that bad. Once you're at flying speed it's only about 5-10 mph faster in the prop wash than the free stream velocity. -Dana -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - Robert A. Heinlein ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video...
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2011
Here's my friends Weedhopper !!! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351302#351302 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/weedhopper_186.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: New Video...
Date: Sep 03, 2011
ambient perceived noise >> Hi, there is nothing `perceived` about it. It is very real. The noise in the cockpit is not really the problem,plugs and headphones can deal with that. The problem is the complaints from the neighbours, sometimes even people you have only flown over at 800 ft and the way the horses and cattle stampede for the next State. With the room that you have where most of you fly perhaps it is not a problem. In the UK there is an actual measured flying test for each type of plane, with a specific type of engine and a specific prop. If you change the prop or the engine it should be retested. Thank goodness that I don`t operate in Germany where the noise levels are much more rigorous. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andy and Sheila Slinkard" <andysheila(at)eltopia.com>
Subject: Battery location
Date: Sep 03, 2011
Does anyone have their battery placed in the nose cone of a Firestar II? Andy ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Slingshot for sale
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2011
May oh man! If I didn't already have a similar one or I had cheap space for another, I'd jump on this.... but such is not the case. Unless this Slingshot was poorly built, it is a steal. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351313#351313 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/slingshot_for_sale_596.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: hand propping accident video
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2011
[Shocked] hand propping accident video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDIiMJn9xuo&feature=related . -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern These flying machines are just a fad and will never catch on Unknown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351314#351314 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Video...
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2011
A friend and I built and flew a Weedhopper for a couple years back in the yearly '80's and had a ball with it....it just wasn't a windy day kind of airplane though and with a top speed of 45 mph,prop wash was never a factor...the one in the picture is the fancy one ....ours did not have the sail panel under the wing...those were faster that the wing we had....lol....(faster)...lol chris ambrose M3X/Jabiru N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351317#351317 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Slingshot for sale
From: "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Sep 03, 2011
Is this not the same one that was for sale a few months ago for $18k? It sure seems to look nice. I sure wish I could get that 100mph cruise. Thom, how fast does your slingshot cruise? Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351319#351319 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2011
Subject: Re: Slingshot for sale
Travis, That is the same one that was for sale earlier, contrary to the ad's claim that it was first time offered for sale. I suppose it is possible far a Jabiru powered Slingshot to get up to 100 mph but mine does not. Mine tops out at 96-97 and max comfortable cruise is 85 mph TAS at low altitude. It could be a bit faster at higher altitude, but I normally don't fly very high. I noticed that the one for sale has only .9 hours on it. I wonder why. Did it scare the owner, did the owner get sick? Don't know. Did it indicate 100 mph in cruise during this one hour of flight? Possible if the ASI is way off, but that doesn't make it a 100 mph cruiser. Thom On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:56 AM, "tkben002" wrote: > > Is this not the same one that was for sale a few months ago for $18k? It sure seems to look nice. I sure wish I could get that 100mph cruise. Thom, how fast does your slingshot cruise? > > Travis Bennett > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351319#351319 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Slingshot for sale
From: Renee <ulflygirl(at)mysky.us>
Date: Sep 03, 2011
I think something may have happened to the owner (reference to an old post here). A friend is selling it. I looked at it on Barnstormers. Here are my concerns. Phase 1 not done. How can you have flight test data with only .9 hours? Who would fly the phase one? Oh and a/w was issued several years ago. .9 hours? Registered exp-ab. I cant do annuals. Not sure how much that would cost me. Would prefer dual stick capability for young eagles and friends. Renee Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) On Sep 3, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > Travis, > That is the same one that was for sale earlier, contrary to the ad's > claim that it was first time offered for sale. I suppose it is > possible far a Jabiru powered Slingshot to get up to 100 mph but mine > does not. Mine tops out at 96-97 and max comfortable cruise is 85 mph > TAS at low altitude. It could be a bit faster at higher altitude, but > I normally don't fly very high. > > I noticed that the one for sale has only .9 hours on it. I wonder why. > Did it scare the owner, did the owner get sick? Don't know. Did it > indicate 100 mph in cruise during this one hour of flight? Possible if > the ASI is way off, but that doesn't make it a 100 mph cruiser. > > Thom > > On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:56 AM, "tkben002" wrote: > >> >> Is this not the same one that was for sale a few months ago for $18k? It sure seems to look nice. I sure wish I could get that 100mph cruise. Thom, how fast does your slingshot cruise? >> >> Travis Bennett >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351319#351319 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Slingshot for sale
From: Renee <ulflygirl(at)mysky.us>
Date: Sep 03, 2011
I think something may have happened to the owner (reference to an old post h ere). A friend is selling it. I looked at it on Barnstormers. Here are my co ncerns. Phase 1 not done. How can you have flight test data with only .9 hours? Who would fly the phase one? Oh and a/w was issued several years ago. .9 hours? Registered exp-ab. I cant do annuals. Not sure how much that would cost me. Would prefer dual stick capability for young eagles and friends. Renee Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) On Sep 3, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Slingshot for sale
From: "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Sep 03, 2011
Well, According to FAA records the registration was issued in 10/2003 and the airworthiness in 9/2005. It is an exp/amatuer built so that rules out a 5 hour phase one. Maybe the ads mean .9 on the jabiru and it had another engine before that. The current owner is also listed as the builder/manufacturer. Who knows? Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351326#351326 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2011
From: David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net>
Subject: 'Fly on the wall
Hello Kolbers, I've got really good news. After our failed attempt to right my hangar/trailer which houses my FlagFly I was unable to access a heavier machine mostly due to everyone being tied up with hurricane cleanup. Yesterday Carlton, the man who now owns the airstrip, was able to meet me with a truck that has a hydraulic arm to lift dumpster style truck bodies used in his landscape business. We hooked a nylon strap to the upper (in its current position) suspension, but when it would begin to roll over the tail end would slide and it was back flat on its left side. I took some rebar to drive into the ground to try to hold it in place, but the trailer just slid over the rebar and bent it flat. Finally I took a length of 4 X 4 and placed it at the rear corner, which was prone to slide quickest, and parked my pickup so the right front wheel butted against the 4 x 4. Carlton then pulled it over until the trailer just touched my bumper, at which time I backed the pickup away. Carlton said, "Go around to the other side and give it a push." I did and it gently went past center and rested on the down stroke. He lowered the arm and touched the FlagFly down probably more gently than it gets touched down 90% of the time. You cannot believe the sense of relief that swept over me. You just can't imagine. He told me he could feel it was at the balance point when he told me to push it. Good operator! He went back to work and I went over the FF with a fine tooth comb. The *_only damage was the tailwheel_*, which took the torque of the downward arc from where I had it lashed at the rear of the boom tube. The bearing pushed the snap ring out of the groove and crunched the shoulder, so I fought the urge to take it for a spin until I replace the wheel. A fine Kolber by the name of Boyd emailed me that he replaced his tailwheel and I was welcome to his original. It's now on its way here. Great people on the list. Gary, who took the vids a couple of weeks ago, offered any assistance he could give. Carlton would like the trailer at a different place (he recently bought the strip) so we're going to move it to the end of the row of hangars - protected from future hurricanes! Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2011
Subject: Re: 'Fly on the wall
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Great news Dave. Glad it turned out so well. Rick Girard On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:36 PM, David Kulp wrote: > Hello Kolbers, > > I've got really good news. After our failed attempt to right my > hangar/trailer which houses my FlagFly I was unable to access a heavier > machine mostly due to everyone being tied up with hurricane cleanup. > Yesterday Carlton, the man who now owns the airstrip, was able to meet me > with a truck that has a hydraulic arm to lift dumpster style truck bodies > used in his landscape business. > > We hooked a nylon strap to the upper (in its current position) suspension, > but when it would begin to roll over the tail end would slide and it was > back flat on its left side. I took some rebar to drive into the ground to > try to hold it in place, but the trailer just slid over the rebar and bent > it flat. > > Finally I took a length of 4 X 4 and placed it at the rear corner, which > was prone to slide quickest, and parked my pickup so the right front wheel > butted against the 4 x 4. Carlton then pulled it over until the trailer > just touched my bumper, at which time I backed the pickup away. Carlton > said, "Go around to the other side and give it a push." I did and it gently > went past center and rested on the down stroke. He lowered the arm and > touched the FlagFly down probably more gently than it gets touched down 90% > of the time. > > You cannot believe the sense of relief that swept over me. You just can't > imagine. He told me he could feel it was at the balance point when he told > me to push it. Good operator! > > He went back to work and I went over the FF with a fine tooth comb. The *only > damage was the tailwheel*, which took the torque of the downward arc from > where I had it lashed at the rear of the boom tube. The bearing pushed the > snap ring out of the groove and crunched the shoulder, so I fought the urge > to take it for a spin until I replace the wheel. A fine Kolber by the name > of Boyd emailed me that he replaced his tailwheel and I was welcome to his > original. It's now on its way here. > > Great people on the list. Gary, who took the vids a couple of weeks ago, > offered any assistance he could give. > > Carlton would like the trailer at a different place (he recently bought the > strip) so we're going to move it to the end of the row of hangars - > protected from future hurricanes! > > Dave Kulp > Bethlehem, PA > FireFly 11DMK > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2011
Subject: Fwd: New Unassembled Ultrastar Kit. COMPLETE w/engine, redrive
and prop. Estate find
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
All, This was posted on the Yahoo Kolb forum. Looks like a great opportunity for someone low on cash and willing to put in a little sweat equity. Rick Girard Contact me if you want more information.. I would hate to see it not used. It was found in an estate complete. Can't find the plans or build manual but we are still looking. West TN area. Asking $2000. Dennis dlong1957(at)yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2011
From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Strobe Light
Anyone got any experience with the FS 4400 strobe? I bought one years ago finally had installed, the bulb lasted 5 hours at best estimate. I can't find any data on bulb longevity. It could be that the long storage and jostling around may be a factor in such a short life expectancy, but at 40 bucks including shipping it$ not looking like a good deal long term. Ron @ KFHU ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Battery location
From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 03, 2011
Andy, Mine does. -------- Jimmy Young Missouri City, TX Kolb FS II/HKS 700 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351355#351355 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2011
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Ron, From what I've learned, the fragile element in a strobe system is usually the capacitor(s) used for the rapid charging and discharging. Are you absolutely sure it's the bulb? Rick Girard On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Ron @ KFHU wrote: > > Anyone got any experience with the FS 4400 strobe? > > I bought one years ago finally had installed, the bulb lasted 5 hours at > best estimate. I can't find any data on bulb longevity. It could be that the > long storage and jostling around may be a factor in such a short life > expectancy, but at 40 bucks including shipping it$ not looking like a good > deal long term. > > Ron @ KFHU > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andy and Sheila Slinkard" <andysheila(at)eltopia.com>
Subject: Re: Battery location
Date: Sep 03, 2011
Jimmy, I am building a Firestar II with an HKS engine. Am concerned about weight and balance. I weigh 170 lbs. I am installing a 4.5 lb., 6 inch tail wheel . Have a 15 gallon integrated fuel tank so I may have an aft cg problem. What size battery did you use and is your solenoid close to the battery? Do you have a starter solenoid as well continuous operation solenoid? Attached are two pictures of project. Thanks, Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 7:18 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Battery location > > Andy, > > Mine does. > > -------- > Jimmy Young > Missouri City, TX > Kolb FS II/HKS 700 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351355#351355 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Battery location
From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 04, 2011
> Jimmy, I am building a Firestar II with an HKS engine. Am concerned about > weight and balance. I weigh 170 lbs. I am installing a 4.5 lb., 6 inch > tail wheel . Have a 15 gallon integrated fuel tank so I may have an aft cg > problem. What size battery did you use and is your solenoid close to the > battery? Do you have a starter solenoid as well continuous operation > solenoid? Andy, I don't remember the size of the battery, but it's a typical motorcycle battery. I do have both a continuous-duty solenoid located behind my seat at my elect. service panel and a starter solenoid that came with the engine. I have a custom tailwheel I built that is heavier than the stock TW, but again I don't know what it weighs. I assume the original builder of my Kolb may have been a lighter weight fellow & been concerned with the same W&B issues you have, and thus the nosecone battery location. I wish I weighed 170, but am more like 225. You may want to consider adding the tailwheel struts others have done on the Kolbs. My lower vert. stblzr. assembly broke due to the side loads and the struts really help it out. Do an archive search & you will find them. Where are you located? Hope this helps, keep up the good work. -------- Jimmy Young Missouri City, TX Kolb FS II/HKS 700 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351373#351373 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andy and Sheila Slinkard" <andysheila(at)eltopia.com>
Subject: Re: Battery location
Date: Sep 04, 2011
Jimmy and other Kolbers, we are located out west in Washington state farming and ranching, WN31 is my airstrip locater. I have built several airplanes; recovered Champs and Stinsons, built Glasair SH-1 in '85, Benson Gyros, and 1 Jerry Barnett JB-42 Gyro. I met John Hauk and Larry Cottrell this spring at the rock house- nice people. Love to hear from other Kolbers, all welcome. Thanks for the information and hope to meet you in the future. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 6:03 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Battery location > > >> Jimmy, I am building a Firestar II with an HKS engine. Am concerned about >> weight and balance. I weigh 170 lbs. I am installing a 4.5 lb., 6 inch >> tail wheel . Have a 15 gallon integrated fuel tank so I may have an aft >> cg >> problem. What size battery did you use and is your solenoid close to the >> battery? Do you have a starter solenoid as well continuous operation >> solenoid? > > > Andy, I don't remember the size of the battery, but it's a typical > motorcycle battery. I do have both a continuous-duty solenoid located > behind my seat at my elect. service panel and a starter solenoid that came > with the engine. I have a custom tailwheel I built that is heavier than > the stock TW, but again I don't know what it weighs. > > I assume the original builder of my Kolb may have been a lighter weight > fellow & been concerned with the same W&B issues you have, and thus the > nosecone battery location. I wish I weighed 170, but am more like 225. > > You may want to consider adding the tailwheel struts others have done on > the Kolbs. My lower vert. stblzr. assembly broke due to the side loads and > the struts really help it out. Do an archive search & you will find them. > > Where are you located? Hope this helps, keep up the good work. > > -------- > Jimmy Young > Missouri City, TX > Kolb FS II/HKS 700 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351373#351373 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2011
From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
I am (guessing) pretty sure as I see no filament and I run an ohm meter across the prongs and it showed nothing. Those things do have a filament right? its not some fancy gas plasma gizmo. I don't remember what it looked like before I had it mounted kinda expected it to last at least 10 years or so. I'll try to upload a close up photo of it a bit later as it is sitting by the other computer. I can still cancel my order with aircraft spruce it ain't shipped yet. Ron @ KFHU ---- Richard Girard wrote: ============ Ron, From what I've learned, the fragile element in a strobe system is usually the capacitor(s) used for the rapid charging and discharging. Are you absolutely sure it's the bulb? Rick Girard On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Ron @ KFHU wrote: > > Anyone got any experience with the FS 4400 strobe? > > I bought one years ago finally had installed, the bulb lasted 5 hours at > best estimate. I can't find any data on bulb longevity. It could be that the > long storage and jostling around may be a factor in such a short life > expectancy, but at 40 bucks including shipping it$ not looking like a good > deal long term. > > Ron @ KFHU > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx -- kugelair.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
Date: Sep 04, 2011
Ron, Yes, it is supposed to have a filament. I have two strobe units (left wing tip and right). Good one has the filament, burned out one doesn't. Luckily, I have two sets of Nav Lights (an extra set), so I swapped flash strobe bulbs. Now they both work. Mike Welch ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
Date: Sep 04, 2011
You guy's should be talking to Dick Kuntzleman. I have a pair of his that has been in use for 5 years with no problems. Larry Note: If you forward this email, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Welch To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Strobe Light Ron, Yes, it is supposed to have a filament. I have two strobe units (left wing tip and right). Good one has the filament, burned out one doesn't. Luckily, I have two sets of Nav Lights (an extra set), so I swapped flash strobe bulbs. Now they both work. Mike Welch ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2011
From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
Okay that's good, now if I can figure out who else sales these bulbs I guess I can get it for a fraction of the cost. I a, wondering about the probability of this being a custom bulb just for the FS1440. I am gonna load up a photo and if someone recognizes this as a generic bulb for 5 bucks I'll owe him her a beer. I'd prefer a her but you know how it is............. Ron @ KFHU ---- Michael Welch wrote: ============ Ron, Yes, it is supposed to have a filament. I have two strobe units (left wing tip and right). Good one has the filament, burned out one doesn't. Luckily, I have two sets of Nav Lights (an extra set), so I swapped flash strobe bulbs. Now they both work. Mike Welch -- kugelair.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Renee <ulflygirl(at)mysky.us>
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
Date: Sep 04, 2011
I prefer wine coolers. :) Renee Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) On Sep 4, 2011, at 1:11 PM, "Ron @ KFHU" wrote: > Okay that's good, now if I can figure out who else sales these bulbs I guess I can get it for a fraction of the cost. I a, wondering about the probability of this being a custom bulb just for the FS1440. > I am gonna load up a photo and if someone recognizes this as a generic bulb for 5 bucks I'll owe him her a beer. I'd prefer a her but you know how it is............. > > Ron @ KFHU > > > ---- Michael Welch wrote: > > ============ > > Ron, > > Yes, it is supposed to have a filament. I have two strobe units (left wing tip and right). Good one has the filament, burned out one > doesn't. Luckily, I have two sets of Nav Lights (an extra set), so I swapped flash strobe bulbs. Now they both work. > > Mike Welch > > > > > > -- > kugelair.com > <001.JPG> > <002.JPG> > <003.JPG> > <004.JPG> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2011
From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
First you gotta come up with a bulb, smart stuff. Ron @ KFHU ======================================== ---- Renee wrote: ============ I prefer wine coolers. :) Renee Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) On Sep 4, 2011, at 1:11 PM, "Ron @ KFHU" wrote: > Okay that's good, now if I can figure out who else sales these bulbs I guess I can get it for a fraction of the cost. I a, wondering about the probability of this being a custom bulb just for the FS1440. > I am gonna load up a photo and if someone recognizes this as a generic bulb for 5 bucks I'll owe him her a beer. I'd prefer a her but you know how it is............. > > Ron @ KFHU > > > ---- Michael Welch wrote: > > ============ > > Ron, > > Yes, it is supposed to have a filament. I have two strobe units (left wing tip and right). Good one has the filament, burned out one > doesn't. Luckily, I have two sets of Nav Lights (an extra set), so I swapped flash strobe bulbs. Now they both work. > > Mike Welch > > > > > > -- > kugelair.com > <001.JPG> > <002.JPG> > <003.JPG> > <004.JPG> -- kugelair.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Sep 04, 2011
Please do not post un-resized pictures. It makes it almost impossible to read the posts without scrolling back and forth, resizing the page, and other hoop-jumpings that would be unnecessary if the pictures were simply resized. Thank you Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) -------- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351443#351443 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
From: "SS568" <david(at)PaulowniaTrees.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2011
Amen! to the super dyna whopper size picts. For a while there I thought my C. had a bad wire in the pict. size area. [Laughing] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351456#351456 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
From: "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2011
Undoctor, I tried to do what you suggested using Paint but I couldn't find anywhere that showed (resize) If you go to the Microsoft Website Windows Picture Re-sizer is there for Free, and it is a lot less work involved...... All you have to do is Right Click on the file and Click on ( Re-Size Pictures ) then you choose the size you want -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351489#351489 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2011
From: David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net>
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
Resize is at the top left on the home tab. It's a column of crop, resize, rotate. This program takes any file, like BMP which is a memory hog, and you can save it in jpg. Do you know if you can do that with the Windows resizer. Probably pretty similar since they're both programs of MS Windows. The procedure is similar, open file, resize, save. Your FireStar is going to be a hot rod like the FireFly w/447 is! When are you getting it? Dave On 9/5/2011 3:28 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Carolina Flyer" > > Undoctor, I tried to do what you suggested using Paint but I couldn't find anywhere that showed (resize) > > If you go to the Microsoft Website Windows Picture Re-sizer is there for Free, and it is a lot less work involved...... All you have to do is Right Click on the file and Click on ( Re-Size Pictures ) then you choose the size you want > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351489#351489 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2011
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
From: Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com>
There is also a web-based on-line photo editor: http://www.aviary.com which allows resizing. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > > Undoctor, I tried to do what you suggested using Paint but I couldn't find > anywhere that showed (resize) > > If you go to the Microsoft Website Windows Picture Re-sizer is there for > Free, and it is a lot less work involved...... All you have to do is Right > Click on the file and Click on ( Re-Size Pictures ) then you choose the size > you want > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351489#351489 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
From: "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2011
Dave, I just got off the phone with Rotax Rick a few minutes ago. He is going to be building the 670 for me..... It is going to use a Exhaust like what is use on the 618's.......... The FireStar II is just about finished other than beefing up the cage for the 670, and I am installing a mount for my new Aveo PowerBurst Strobes........ These Strobes are Awesome and well worth the price of around $400.00 for the Pair The 1st Picture is of the FireStar II as it is Now -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351495#351495 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_005_large_149.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_strobe1_171.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2011
From: David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net>
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
Bet you're getting antsy! Gonna be up before winter? On 9/5/2011 5:21 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Carolina Flyer" > > Dave, > I just got off the phone with Rotax Rick a few minutes ago. He is going to be building the 670 for me..... It is going to use a Exhaust like what is use on the 618's.......... The FireStar II is just about finished other than beefing up the cage for the 670, and I am installing a mount for my new Aveo PowerBurst Strobes........ These Strobes are Awesome and well worth the price of around $400.00 for the Pair > > The 1st Picture is of the FireStar II as it is Now > > -------- > Kolb Firestar II > 503 C-Box / RK400 > Soon to have a > Rotax 670 DCDI > with a C-Box and > RK 400 Clutch > > Challenger II > 503 Tall Drive > > Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351495#351495 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_005_large_149.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_strobe1_171.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2011
From: William Long <blong6826(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
what if you need to resize video? I can't watch my HD video on my PC. ________________________________ From: Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> Sent: Mon, September 5, 2011 4:48:44 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Strobe Light There is also a web-based on-line photo editor: http://www.aviary.com/ which allows resizing. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: > >Undoctor, I tried to do what you suggested using Paint but I couldn't find >anywhere that showed (resize) > >If you go to the Microsoft Website Windows Picture Re-sizer is there for Free, >and it is a lot less work involved...... All you have to do is Right Click on >the file and Click on ( Re-Size Pictures ) then you choose the size you want > >-------- >Kolb Firestar II >503 C-Box / RK400 >Soon to have a >Rotax 670 DCDI >with a C-Box and >RK 400 Clutch > >Challenger II >503 Tall Drive > >Location : Buffalo South Carolina > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351489#351489 > > >========== >arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >========== >http://forums.matronics.com >========== >le, List Admin. >="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2011
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
If you're still running Windows xp, there's an even simpler method than the Image Resizer program (that I used for a long time). Find the photo file you want to attach (using Windows Explorer or any other file manager you like). Point at the file with your mouse, and right-click. You'll get a popup menu. Find 'send to', and hover over that with your mouse. You'll get a second popup menu; on that one, left-click on 'mail recipient.' Windows will ask if you want smaller images, and give you a choice (even 'large' will only be around 150kb, max). Windows will then create a new email in your mail software with the file attached; you just fill in the address, subject, etc. This sounds complicated, but only takes about 3 seconds to do. I'd check for you on Vista, too, but my Vista system is down in the hangar & I'm not. :-) Charlie On 09/05/2011 03:17 PM, David Kulp wrote: > > Resize is at the top left on the home tab. It's a column of crop, > resize, rotate. This program takes any file, like BMP which is a > memory hog, and you can save it in jpg. Do you know if you can do > that with the Windows resizer. Probably pretty similar since they're > both programs of MS Windows. The procedure is similar, open file, > resize, save. > > Your FireStar is going to be a hot rod like the FireFly w/447 is! > When are you getting it? > > Dave > > On 9/5/2011 3:28 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote: >> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Carolina >> Flyer" >> >> Undoctor, I tried to do what you suggested using Paint but I couldn't >> find anywhere that showed (resize) >> >> If you go to the Microsoft Website Windows Picture Re-sizer is there >> for Free, and it is a lot less work involved...... All you have to do >> is Right Click on the file and Click on ( Re-Size Pictures ) then you >> choose the size you want >> >> -------- >> Kolb Firestar II >> 503 C-Box / RK400 >> Soon to have a >> Rotax 670 DCDI >> with a C-Box and >> RK 400 Clutch >> >> Challenger II >> 503 Tall Drive >> >> Location : Buffalo South Carolina ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2011
Subject: Success at last
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
As I told Ken last night, for the first time I was able to enjoy flying his plane. As you can see by the pictures the original builder (OB) put rivets on the camber of the ribs. 300+ rivets. It was a job removing them, repairing the tapes around the area, and patching the holes caused when the drill spun off as the head. I still have to put on new tapes on, but last night the weather was so nice I just couldn't wait. At first I was disappointed, there was still some pressure on the stick during climbout, but not as much, and for the first time I could feel a real difference when I pulled on more trim. At any rate, it felt good enough that I decided to climb up to 3000' AGL and try some stalls. It was when I pulled the power back the pressure on the stick lessened. I put off stall testing to investigate and found that at 4700 rpm the Mk IIIX would fly straight and level hands off. At 4000 rpm and below there was back pressure on the stick, i.e. I had to push forward on it. Stall, power off, occurred at 53 mph IAS confirming that the airspeed indicator is extremely optimistic. It still has a roll off, rather than breaking straight ahead. I didn't try departure stalls or stalls with flaps. Clearly there is still work to be done. One thing that the OB didn't do, which I believe would help both stall handling and power on balance, is to cover the frame below the engine mount. It's covered on my airplane and on every Mk III for which I've been able to see this area so that will be done before the next test flight. The cap on the top of the windshield still needs to be made. Since the stick pressure is directly related to power settings, there is the option to lower the engine as far as it will go, but that will require getting the prop blades shortened for boom clearance. Fortunately that can be tested with the prop off my plane first to make sure there is not a serious performance degradation (Ken's prop is a 70", mine is a 66"). So we're not there, yet, but we're past a major hurdle. Rick Girard -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2011
Subject: Re: Success at last
Rick, Glad you are making progress. After all the efforts to fix the lawn dart tendency, can you tell us which one or combination of fixes (OB errors) resulted in the big advance? I don't doubt you mentioned it before but I just don't remember which of the problem resolutions was the big one. Thom in Buffalo On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > As I told Ken last night, for the first time I was able to enjoy flying his > plane. > As you can see by the pictures the original builder (OB) put rivets on the > camber of the ribs. 300+ rivets. It was a job removing them, repairing the > tapes around the area, and patching the holes caused when the drill spun off > as the head. I still have to put on new tapes on, but last night the weather > was so nice I just couldn't wait. > At first I was disappointed, there was still some pressure on the stick > during climbout, but not as much, and for the first time I could feel a real > difference when I pulled on more trim. At any rate, it felt good enough that > I decided to climb up to 3000' AGL and try some stalls. It was when I > pulled the power back the pressure on the stick lessened. I put off stall > testing to investigate and found that at 4700 rpm the Mk IIIX would fly > straight and level hands off. At 4000 rpm and below there was back pressure > on the stick, i.e. I had to push forward on it. > Stall, power off, occurred at 53 mph IAS confirming that the airspeed > indicator is extremely optimistic. It still has a roll off, rather than > breaking straight ahead. I didn't try departure stalls or stalls with flaps. > Clearly there is still work to be done. One thing that the OB didn't do, > which I believe would help both stall handling and power on balance, is to > cover the frame below the engine mount. It's covered on my airplane and on > every Mk III for which I've been able to see this area so that will be done > before the next test flight. The cap on the top of the windshield still > needs to be made. > Since the stick pressure is directly related to power settings, there is > the option to lower the engine as far as it will go, but that will require > getting the prop blades shortened for boom clearance. Fortunately that can > be tested with the prop off my plane first to make sure there is not a > serious performance degradation (Ken's prop is a 70", mine is a 66"). > So we're not there, yet, but we're past a major hurdle. > > Rick Girard > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2011
Subject: Re: Success at last
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Thom, I think the top two were resetting the angle of incidence of the wings and removing the rivets. One other project that needs to be done is to add some stiffening ribs to the upper, inside surface of the nose cone. Next time I fly I'll try to get a good picture of just how much it caves in. I've told Ken that if it were my airplane I would make a new nose that would be shorter and more rounded, especially on the sides. Rick On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > Rick, > Glad you are making progress. After all the efforts to fix the lawn dart > tendency, can you tell us which one or combination of fixes (OB errors) > resulted in the big advance? I don't doubt you mentioned it before but I > just don't remember which of the problem resolutions was the big one. > > Thom in Buffalo > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > >> As I told Ken last night, for the first time I was able to enjoy flying >> his plane. >> As you can see by the pictures the original builder (OB) put rivets on the >> camber of the ribs. 300+ rivets. It was a job removing them, repairing the >> tapes around the area, and patching the holes caused when the drill spun off >> as the head. I still have to put on new tapes on, but last night the weather >> was so nice I just couldn't wait. >> At first I was disappointed, there was still some pressure on the stick >> during climbout, but not as much, and for the first time I could feel a real >> difference when I pulled on more trim. At any rate, it felt good enough that >> I decided to climb up to 3000' AGL and try some stalls. It was when I >> pulled the power back the pressure on the stick lessened. I put off stall >> testing to investigate and found that at 4700 rpm the Mk IIIX would fly >> straight and level hands off. At 4000 rpm and below there was back pressure >> on the stick, i.e. I had to push forward on it. >> Stall, power off, occurred at 53 mph IAS confirming that the airspeed >> indicator is extremely optimistic. It still has a roll off, rather than >> breaking straight ahead. I didn't try departure stalls or stalls with flaps. >> Clearly there is still work to be done. One thing that the OB didn't do, >> which I believe would help both stall handling and power on balance, is to >> cover the frame below the engine mount. It's covered on my airplane and on >> every Mk III for which I've been able to see this area so that will be done >> before the next test flight. The cap on the top of the windshield still >> needs to be made. >> Since the stick pressure is directly related to power settings, there is >> the option to lower the engine as far as it will go, but that will require >> getting the prop blades shortened for boom clearance. Fortunately that can >> be tested with the prop off my plane first to make sure there is not a >> serious performance degradation (Ken's prop is a 70", mine is a 66"). >> So we're not there, yet, but we're past a major hurdle. >> >> Rick Girard >> >> -- >> Zulu Delta >> Mk IIIC >> Thanks, Homer GBYM >> >> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be >> unhappy. >> - Groucho Marx >> >> >> > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Strobe Light
Date: Sep 06, 2011
You guy's should be talking to Dick Kuntzleman. I have a pair of his that has been in use for 5 years with no problems. Larry Dick makes good stuff. I have Whelen Strobe/Nav Lights. Been on the airplane about 19 years and 3,100+ hours. Whelen is like David Clark, expensive, but they stand behind their products and willingly repair and turn them around quickly. Before I flew my MKIII I blew an internal fuse or something inside the power supply for the Whelen setup. Told the Whelen folks what I had done (reverse polarity while seeing if they really worked). Whelen fixed my box and shipped it back to me with no charges. Side note: It is important to operate the Whelen system about once a month or so. If you let it sit idle too long the capacitors go belly up for some reason. john h mkIII Escalante, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Beauford " <beauford173(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Strobe Light
Date: Sep 06, 2011
Agree completely. My Kuntzleman 103 unit has been running well over nine years. zero problems. He is known for "overbuilding" his stuff. and standing 100% behind it if there is a defect. His products are significantly less expensive than comparable units from the big outfits. Worth what ye paid fer it. Satisfied beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Strobe Light You guy's should be talking to Dick Kuntzleman. I have a pair of his that has been in use for 5 years with no problems. Larry Dick makes good stuff. john h mkIII Escalante, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: MK IIIC For Sale
From: "undoctor" <undoctor(at)ptd.net>
Date: Sep 06, 2011
Folks, An acquaintance in TN just told me about a MK IIIC he has for sale. I don't know anything about it, including the price. If you'd like any info, email him at stevesimmons(at)charter.net Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351594#351594 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 'Fly on the wall
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Date: Sep 07, 2011
Great Job Kulpski!, nothing like finding the right tool for the job, and that truck looks like the right tool for sure! Happy to hear you wont have much repair to do! -------- Don G. Central Illinois Kitfox IV Speedster Luscombe 8A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351648#351648 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net>
Subject: Kolb MarkIII C For Sale
Date: Sep 07, 2011
Fellow Kolblers: I have a Mark IIIC for sale details follows: photos are in the pdf attachment: The engine is a Verner 1400 80 hp, I will consider a reasonable offer. KOLB Mark III Classic: 1999 year model with 130.9 hours on the aircraft, new poly fabric and paint by Bryan Melbourne of Classic Air at the New Kolb Factory in London KY. New tires axels and landing gear, new center section lexan, new Odyssey battery. Verner 1400 engine with new prop vibration damper Engine has been gone through by Central Florida Flyers Steve Flynn who is the importer of the engine Over 18K invested and the aircraft must be sold due to loss of medical. As I am not the original builder the aircraft will be sold as a kit. Travis at the Kolb aircraft company is very familiar with this aircraft you may call him for his opinion (606) 862-9692. Send reply to stevesimmons(at)charter.net Here is the link for Central Florida fliers http://www.centralfloridaflyers.com/ I will be out of the country from the 8th of September to the 4th October you may call me @ 423 748 4336 until 5pm eastern Sept 8th I will be able to correspond via e-mail after that, the Kolb is located in Morristown TN (OR) Thank you Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 'Fly on the wall
From: "undoctor" <undoctor(at)ptd.net>
Date: Sep 07, 2011
Golly, Don, I can hear the relief in your voice! Matches mine!!! I took this pic as I was unlashing the FlagFly immediately after righting the trailer. Kulpski Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351678#351678 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/flipped_trailer_10_772.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: tail spring clamps
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 08, 2011
Listers, Just spoke to JBM industries(at)att.net.He sells those clamps for 20.00 includ ing shipping.E-mail him there if your interested G.aman MK3c Jabiru 2200A 638hrs ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Trailering a Kolb
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Date: Sep 09, 2011
Kolbers & Kolbettes: Have added a section to my web site on David Kulp's trailer arrangement for storing his Kolb Firefly/Flagfly. This does not include any documentation as to how to right a trailer that has been laid on its side by an irate woman (Irene). You'll have to refer to the archives for that. Go to the section on my web site ( http://www.oh2fly.net ) for "Trailering a Kolb". -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351798#351798 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: rain tolerant prop
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2011
I flew the SS to Bob Bean's field around noon today and from there we.oboteh flew our Kolbs to D52 Geneseo corn roast. En route we saw a t-storm just to the west of our destination and caught a wee bit of rain on the way. 1/2 hour or so after landing the T-storm moved onto the field so the hosts were magnanimous helping push our Kolbs into their big hangar until the T-storm passed. We had a very good lunch but the turn out was poor due Wx. I checked radar and it looked like a short break before the next one would arrive, so we headed back north to BB's place and flew in the light rain most of the way. with BB's help I topped my tank and headed west back towrd Buffalo with expectations of having to take circuitous route around the second t-storm. Fortunately, it stayed south of my intended route which is good because it was lightening a good bit. Still I had to fly for at least another 1/2 hour in the rain before passing the storm. As I did my post flight inspection I noticed some deterioration in the outermost 8" or so of the leading edge, which did not surprise me. It was not too bad and I will dress it with a fine file. It is a beautiful Tennessee prop with inlaid leading edge protection which I think is polyurethane, and very very hard. My question is this, if I ever have to replace this prop, which prop has the very best resistance to rain damage? I hope not to fly in the rain on a regular basis, but sometimes it is difficult to avoid. I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different manufacturers, but would like to benefit from personal experience of those who have flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated opinion. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x32 Truth is what stands the test of experience. - Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351982#351982 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: last hurrah
Date: Sep 11, 2011
>From the tune.. "as the days dwindle down", and the opportunities for attending events wane, Thom R. and I headed to the Geneseo chicken and corn feed. Pleasant ride down and good friends and food at our destination, but soon a monster black cloud gathered directly over the big hangar and we and our Kolbs were nicely given shelter. We waited out the lightening strikes and hail stones and watching Thom's weather app on his phone, made a break out of there between two cells. First time I have flown my MkIII in real rain and it kept me dry. Maybe Thom has a pic to post. This evening, strolling up the road with my dog , I watched the Geneseo B-17 make a detour near my house, returning from a New England event. BB MkIII, suzuki. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Sep 11, 2011
Great minds.... almost qualifies as a double post - simultaneously. BB On 11, Sep 2011, at 6:46 PM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > I flew the SS to Bob Bean's field around noon today and from there we.oboteh flew our Kolbs to D52 Geneseo corn roast. En route we saw a t-storm just to the west of our destination and caught a wee bit of rain on the way. 1/2 hour or so after landing the T-storm moved onto the field so the hosts were magnanimous helping push our Kolbs into their big hangar until the T-storm passed. We had a very good lunch but the turn out was poor due Wx. I checked radar and it looked like a short break before the next one would arrive, so we headed back north to BB's place and flew in the light rain most of the way. with BB's help I topped my tank and headed west back towrd Buffalo with expectations of having to take circuitous route around the second t-storm. Fortunately, it stayed south of my intended route which is good because it was lightening a good bit. Still I had to fly for at least another 1/2 hour in the rain before passing the storm. > > As I did my post flight inspection I noticed some deterioration in the outermost 8" or so of the leading edge, which did not surprise me. It was not too bad and I will dress it with a fine file. It is a beautiful Tennessee prop with inlaid leading edge protection which I think is polyurethane, and very very hard. My question is this, if I ever have to replace this prop, which prop has the very best resistance to rain damage? I hope not to fly in the rain on a regular basis, but sometimes it is difficult to avoid. > > I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different manufacturers, but would like to benefit from personal experience of those who have flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated opinion. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > Truth is what stands the test of experience. > - Albert Einstein > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351982#351982 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 11, 2011
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
On 09/11/2011 05:46 PM, Thom Riddle wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" > > I flew the SS to Bob Bean's field around noon today and from there we.oboteh flew our Kolbs to D52 Geneseo corn roast. En route we saw a t-storm just to the west of our destination and caught a wee bit of rain on the way. 1/2 hour or so after landing the T-storm moved onto the field so the hosts were magnanimous helping push our Kolbs into their big hangar until the T-storm passed. We had a very good lunch but the turn out was poor due Wx. I checked radar and it looked like a short break before the next one would arrive, so we headed back north to BB's place and flew in the light rain most of the way. with BB's help I topped my tank and headed west back towrd Buffalo with expectations of having to take circuitous route around the second t-storm. Fortunately, it stayed south of my intended route which is good because it was lightening a good bit. Still I had to fly for at least another 1/2 hour in the rain before passing the storm. > > As I did my post flight inspection I noticed some deterioration in the outermost 8" or so of the leading edge, which did not surprise me. It was not too bad and I will dress it with a fine file. It is a beautiful Tennessee prop with inlaid leading edge protection which I think is polyurethane, and very very hard. My question is this, if I ever have to replace this prop, which prop has the very best resistance to rain damage? I hope not to fly in the rain on a regular basis, but sometimes it is difficult to avoid. > > I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different manufacturers, but would like to benefit from personal experience of those who have flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated opinion. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > Truth is what stands the test of experience. > - Albert Einstein Metal. I know you can't really do that, but there you go. :-) The urethane leading edges on props I've flown on larger planes are not that hard; you can dent them slightly with your fingernail, but the dent doesn't remain. I've never seen rain damage on the urethane, but I've had the wood leading edge erode inboard (toward the hub) of where the urethane stopped. FWIW, Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
Date: Sep 11, 2011
In the world of Apache and Blackhawk main rotor blades...and most other helicopters the best urethanes work great in desert sands, but fail rapidly (a few hours) in heavy rain. Titanium, nickel or stainless abrasion strips work great in rain, but degrades after a few hundred "brown out"' landings. If you fly out of Bagram you put urethane tape over the metal abrasion strips....If you fly out of Ft. Rucker ...no urethane..just the OEM metal abrasion strip..From my experience, urethane or fiberglass blade tips operating in rain means regular replacement of the protective tape. Bob -----Original Message----- From: robert bean Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop Great minds.... almost qualifies as a double post - simultaneously. BB On 11, Sep 2011, at 6:46 PM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > I flew the SS to Bob Bean's field around noon today and from there > we.oboteh flew our Kolbs to D52 Geneseo corn roast. En route we saw a > t-storm just to the west of our destination and caught a wee bit of rain > on the way. 1/2 hour or so after landing the T-storm moved onto the field > so the hosts were magnanimous helping push our Kolbs into their big hangar > until the T-storm passed. We had a very good lunch but the turn out was > poor due Wx. I checked radar and it looked like a short break before the > next one would arrive, so we headed back north to BB's place and flew in > the light rain most of the way. with BB's help I topped my tank and headed > west back towrd Buffalo with expectations of having to take circuitous > route around the second t-storm. Fortunately, it stayed south of my > intended route which is good because it was lightening a good bit. Still I > had to fly for at least another 1/2 hour in the rain before passing the > storm. > > As I did my post flight inspection I noticed some deterioration in the > outermost 8" or so of the leading edge, which did not surprise me. It was > not too bad and I will dress it with a fine file. It is a beautiful > Tennessee prop with inlaid leading edge protection which I think is > polyurethane, and very very hard. My question is this, if I ever have to > replace this prop, which prop has the very best resistance to rain damage? > I hope not to fly in the rain on a regular basis, but sometimes it is > difficult to avoid. > > I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different > manufacturers, but would like to benefit from personal experience of those > who have flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated > opinion. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > Jabiru 2200A #1574 > Tennessee Prop 64x32 > > Truth is what stands the test of experience. > - Albert Einstein > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351982#351982 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HShack(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 11, 2011
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
A guy in our club flew a MkIII on floats with over 900 takeoffs & landings [water]; the prop was a Hot Prop [formerly Kiev Prop]. There was no discernable wear on the prop. There is a lot of spray with water operations. He now has Hot Props on all 3 of his planes. Hot Prop has a bronze leading edge. In a message dated 9/11/2011 6:48:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, riddletr(at)gmail.com writes: My question is this, if I ever have to replace this prop, which prop has the very best resistance to rain damage? I hope not to fly in the rain on a regular basis, but sometimes it is difficult to avoid. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
From: Daniel Myers <h20maule(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2011
warp drive with nickel leading edge is the answer. Period Thanks, Daniel Myers Cell: 407 920 7700 SouthEastAmphibs.com On Sep 11, 2011, at 9:58 PM, HShack(at)aol.com wrote: > A guy in our club flew a MkIII on floats with over 900 takeoffs & landings [water]; the prop was a Hot Prop [formerly Kiev Prop]. There was no disce rnable wear on the prop. There is a lot of spray with water operations. > > He now has Hot Props on all 3 of his planes. > > Hot Prop has a bronze leading edge. > > In a message dated 9/11/2011 6:48:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, riddletr@ gmail.com writes: > My question is this, if I ever have to replace this prop, which prop has t he very best resistance to rain damage? I hope not to fly in the rain on a r egular basis, but sometimes it is difficult to avoid. > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2011
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
> I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different manufacturers, but would like to benefit from personal experience of those who have flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated opinion. > > -------- > Thom Riddle Done a lot of rain flying in the MKIII, to the point several coats of Aerothane paint have been eroded off the leading edge of the wings and tail section over the years and hours. My prop is a Warp Drive 3 blade tapered with 15" nickle steel leading edges. Most of my rain flying has been in British Columbia, Yukon Territory, and Alaska. I destroyed a new GSC two blade wooden prop in a matter of minutes in Florida. My Jim Culver two blade wooden prop with polyurethane leading edges worked pretty good, but did not have near the endurance, in rain, that the Warp Drive has. john h mkIII Morgan, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Daniel Myers <h20maule(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
Date: Sep 11, 2011
John, all my flying is water flying. That's the best testament I can give to warp. How many of us fly in rain anyways? Thanks, Daniel Myers Cell: 407 920 7700 SouthEastAmphibs.com On Sep 11, 2011, at 10:48 PM, wrote: > > >> I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different manufacturers, but would like to benefit from personal experience of those who have flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated opinion. >> >> -------- >> Thom Riddle > > > Done a lot of rain flying in the MKIII, to the point several coats of Aerothane paint have been eroded off the leading edge of the wings and tail section over the years and hours. > > My prop is a Warp Drive 3 blade tapered with 15" nickle steel leading edges. > > Most of my rain flying has been in British Columbia, Yukon Territory, and Alaska. > > I destroyed a new GSC two blade wooden prop in a matter of minutes in Florida. > > My Jim Culver two blade wooden prop with polyurethane leading edges worked pretty good, but did not have near the endurance, in rain, that the Warp Drive has. > > john h > mkIII > Morgan, UT > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2011
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
Thanks, guys. That is what I was looking for. For now, I'll dress my prop edge and continue with it but know what I'll do if/when I continue to wear out this one in rain. I need to do some better sealing around the SS canopy too if rain flying becomes a habit. I did not get soaked but did get moist in a few select places. Flip over canopies are more prone to leaks at the leading edge than MkIII windshields with doors on the side. Thom On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Daniel Myers wrote: > > John, all my flying is water flying. That's the best testament I can give > to warp. How many of us fly in rain anyways? > > Thanks, > Daniel Myers > Cell: 407 920 7700 > SouthEastAmphibs.com > > On Sep 11, 2011, at 10:48 PM, wrote: > > > > > > >> I do not wish to start a peeing contest between prop fans from different > manufacturers, but would like to benefit from personal experience of those > who have flown in rain enough with different props to form an educated > opinion. > >> > >> -------- > >> Thom Riddle > > > > > > Done a lot of rain flying in the MKIII, to the point several coats of > Aerothane paint have been eroded off the leading edge of the wings and tail > section over the years and hours. > > > > My prop is a Warp Drive 3 blade tapered with 15" nickle steel leading > edges. > > > > Most of my rain flying has been in British Columbia, Yukon Territory, and > Alaska. > > > > I destroyed a new GSC two blade wooden prop in a matter of minutes in > Florida. > > > > My Jim Culver two blade wooden prop with polyurethane leading edges > worked pretty good, but did not have near the endurance, in rain, that the > Warp Drive has. > > > > john h > > mkIII > > Morgan, UT > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Sep 12, 2011
Thom, I'm sure that the Warp is the toughest, but if you don't want to buy a new prop, you might try the Powerfin Plastic prop tape, it works quite well and is not expensive. I'm sure it would go over your urethane leading edge and work ok, since it works ok on my IVO. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) -------- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352018#352018 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2011
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
Thom Warp Drive makes a very durable prop but may not be as efficient as you existing prop. John Williamson had a Jabaru with a Warp Drive prop on his Kolbra and it wasn't a happy combination. Others seem to do well with their Jabarus on Kolbs using other props so I have to wonder if the Warp Drive might a poor choice for the Jabiru. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > Thanks, guys. That is what I was looking for. For now, I'll dress my prop > edge and continue with it but know what I'll do if/when I continue to wear > out this one in rain. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2011
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Thom, Two suggestions to make your prop more rain tolerant. The first is from a fellow I met at the Arlington Air Show a number of years ago. He was flying a wood prop on his Varieze. His solution to rain erosion was to first flatten the leading edge of the blade to about 1/4" wide, then build it back up with JB Weld and re-contour. He said it provided excellent protection. The second is a source of propeller tape. Pegasus Auto Racing supply sells .011" thick urethane tape in 2" wide X 100' rolls that is suitable for helicopter blades. $9.99. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection3.asp?Product=3323 If you want clear tape they have .008" thick, too. A 2" X 108' roll is $19.99. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection3.asp?Product=3155 Good folks to deal with. Rick Girard On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > Thom > > Warp Drive makes a very durable prop but may not be as efficient as you > existing prop. John Williamson had a Jabaru with a Warp Drive prop on his > Kolbra and it wasn't a happy combination. Others seem to do well with their > Jabarus on Kolbs using other props so I have to wonder if the Warp Drive > might a poor choice for the Jabiru. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > >> Thanks, guys. That is what I was looking for. For now, I'll dress my prop >> edge and continue with it but know what I'll do if/when I continue to wear >> out this one in rain. >> >> >> * > > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Strobe Light
From: willuribe(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 12, 2011
Greetings, I installed Kuntzleman stobes on my FireStar II with the green and red forw ard lights plus the white lights to the rear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipCx-kunt00 http://www.kestrobes.com/ Regards, Will Uribe FireStar II El Paso, TX From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-serve r(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: RE: Strobe Light You guy's should be talking to Dick Kuntzleman. I have a pair of his that h as been in use for 5 years with no problems. Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
From: willuribe(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 12, 2011
I have flown my FireStar II in the rain with an IVO prop with no damage. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2011
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
Thanks, Richard. I took a fine file to the leading edge urethane and smoothed it out easily and quickly. It was not damaged as much as I first thought. I'll get some Power Fin plastic tape and try it out as sacrificial material. Thom On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Thom, I'm sure that the Warp is the toughest, but if you don't want to buy > a new prop, you might try the Powerfin Plastic prop tape, it works quite > well and is not expensive. I'm sure it would go over your urethane leading > edge and work ok, since it works ok on my IVO. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > -------- > Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not > seen. > Hebrews 11:1 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352018#352018 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2011
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
Thanks for the additional suggestions. Will, What rpm is your prop turning and what is its diameter? The reason I ask is that my Jabiru was turning about 2900 rpm (direct drive) while trying to get home fast in the rain. This is about 150 rpm more than my normal cruise. Only the outermost 6-7 inches of the 64" prop showed any damage. At 2900 RPM and air speed of 90 mph. The tips were moving thru the air at about 640 mph and the inner most point of the damage it was about 520 mph. At speeds less than that, the TN prop leading edge seems fine. In the future, when flying in the rain, I will consider slowing down to 65 mph and 2400 rpm which will mean the tip speed is about 520 mph. Thom On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM, wrote: > > I have flown my FireStar II in the rain with an IVO prop with no damage. > [image: rain.jpg] > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lee Morgan" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net>
Subject: intro and request
Date: Sep 13, 2011
Hi, I am new to this list, I recently purchased a Twinstar MK II Kolb that has been a hanger queen for some years. I plan on going thru it this winter and also recovering the fuselage section. I recently received a copy of the builders manual from someone on the yahoo list but I then had a computer crash and had to rebuild my system. In the rebuild I lost the manual and my email contacts. I am looking for another copy of this manual and any additional info that someone would share. Thanks for any help. Lee.. currently flying a CGS Hawk Classic with a 532 rotax. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2011
Subject: Re: intro and request
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Lee, Where are you located? Rick Girard On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Lee Morgan wrote: > Hi,**** > > I am new to this list, I recently purchased a Twinstar MK II Kolb that has > been a hanger queen for some years.**** > > I plan on going thru it this winter and also recovering the fuselage > section. I recently received a copy of the builders manual from someone ** > ** > > on the yahoo list but I then had a computer crash and had to rebuild my > system. In the rebuild I lost the manual and my email contacts.**** > > I am looking for another copy of this manual and any additional info that > someone would share.**** > > Thanks for any help.**** > > Lee..**** > > currently flying a CGS Hawk Classic with a 532 rotax.**** > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
From: willuribe(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 13, 2011
Thom, It is a 62" 3 blade IVO Prop and in the picture the EIS is showing 6330 RPM s Regards, Will Uribe FireStar II El Paso, TX But next month I will be working in Tonowanda, NY -----Original Message----- From: Thom Riddle Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 3:19 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop Thanks for the additional suggestions. Will, What rpm is your prop turning and what is its diameter? The reason I ask is that my Jabiru was turning about 2900 rpm (direct drive) while trying to g et home fast in the rain. This is about 150 rpm more than my normal cruise. Only the outermost 6-7 inches of the 64" prop showed any damage. At 2900 R PM and air speed of 90 mph. The tips were moving thru the air at about 640 mph and the inner most point of the damage it was about 520 mph. At speeds less than that, the TN prop leading edge seems fine. In the future, when flying in the rain, I will consider slowing down to 65 mph and 2400 rpm which will mean the tip speed is about 520 mph. Thom On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM, wrote: I have flown my FireStar II in the rain with an IVO prop with no damage. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 13, 2011
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
Will, Based on your numbers, assuming you have 2.58:1 gearbox and you are flying at 65 mph airspeed, then your prop tip speed is about 517 mph under those conditions. Based on your data and mine (admittedly small sample) about 520 mph or thereabouts seems to be the limit of at least composites before rain begins to cause damage. Thom On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:41 AM, wrote: > Thom, > > > It is a 62" 3 blade IVO Prop and in the picture the EIS is showing 6330 > RPMs > > Regards, > Will Uribe > FireStar II > El Paso, TX > But next month I will be working in Tonowanda, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thom Riddle > To: kolb-list > Sent: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 3:19 pm > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rain tolerant prop > > Thanks for the additional suggestions. > > Will, > What rpm is your prop turning and what is its diameter? The reason I ask > is that my Jabiru was turning about 2900 rpm (direct drive) while trying to > get home fast in the rain. This is about 150 rpm more than my normal cruise. > Only the outermost 6-7 inches of the 64" prop showed any damage. At 2900 RPM > and air speed of 90 mph. The tips were moving thru the air at about 640 mph > and the inner most point of the damage it was about 520 mph. At speeds less > than that, the TN prop leading edge seems fine. > > In the future, when flying in the rain, I will consider slowing down to > 65 mph and 2400 rpm which will mean the tip speed is about 520 mph. > > Thom > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:00 PM, wrote: > >> >> I have flown my FireStar II in the rain with an IVO prop with no damage. >> >> >> >> > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
Date: Sep 13, 2011
From: "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
<< I'll get some Power Fin plastic tape and try it out as sacrificial material. Thom >> Thom R - Where can you get Powerfin tape these days? I thought the company went out of business. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, 912ul Sandia Park, NM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2011
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
Based on your data and mine (admittedly small sample) about 520 > mph or thereabouts seems to be the limit of at least composites before rain > begins to cause damage. > > Thom Without the protection of the nickle steel leading edge, rain will eat up a Warp Drive solid carbon fiber prop blade. In the old days, WD was limited to a 12" steAel edge. During my first flight to Alaska, in 1994, I ended up flying in hours of very heavy rain. When I landed at Arlington, WA, a gent named Bob, that worked for WD, told me to fix the erosion with JB Weld or I was going to blow a steel edge off. Rain had erroded a couple inches inboard of the steel edge, plus was trying to lift the inboard end of it. Did a field expedient repair on the airfield with avgas, a plastic picnic knife, and some sandpaper. Today, WD has the technology to use 15" nickle steel leading edges. This takes care of that small area that was not protected by the old 12" edges. john h mkIII Morgan, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 13, 2011
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
Denis, It did go out of business but someone bought them out and started selling them again, about a year ago or perhaps a little longer. I have not checked in recent months so don't know if they are still afloat. Google should tell you. Thom On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN < Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> wrote: > << I'll get some Power Fin plastic tape and try it out as sacrificial > material. Thom >>**** > > ** ** > > Thom R - Where can you get Powerfin tape these days? I thought the company > went out of business.**** > > ** ** > > Dennis Kirby**** > > Mark-3, 912ul**** > > Sandia Park, NM**** > > ** ** > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
Date: Sep 13, 2011
Dennis, I once bought some "authentic" prop tape which turned out to too old to adhere to anything, so I bought some heavy packing tape which worked very well. I don't remember what brand it was so you may have to buy more than one roll. Since it comes two inches wide you will have to cut it down the middle. One inch seems to be a perfect width. Stick the center on the leading edge at the middle first, then press down the curved edge (rear on a kolb:) and last, the flat side. The tape on my warp is starting to look a little ratty near the tips now so I should think about redoing them next spring. BB On 13, Sep 2011, at 10:15 AM, Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN wrote: > << I'll get some Power Fin plastic tape and try it out as sacrificial material. Thom >> > > Thom R - Where can you get Powerfin tape these days? I thought the company went out of business. > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-3, 912ul > Sandia Park, NM > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2011
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: intro and request
Hi Lee If you are recovering the fuselage it's a good time to put in a larger fuel tank (depending what you currently have of course). I replaced my 5 gallon with a 10 gallon poly dune buggy tank. It worked out very well. I can send pictures if it would help. Malcolm http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Morgan" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:36:30 AM Subject: Kolb-List: intro and request Hi, I am new to this list, I recently purchased a Twinstar MK II Kolb that has been a hanger queen for some years. I plan on going thru it this winter and also recovering the fuselage section. I recently received a copy of the builders manual from someone on the yahoo list but I then had a computer crash and had to rebuild my system. In the rebuild I lost the manual and my email contacts. I am looking for another copy of this manual and any additional info that someone would share. Thanks for any help. Lee.. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2011
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: intro and request
I just put some pictures of the tank installation on my web site. It's about half way down the page. Malcolm http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:11:20 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: intro and request Hi Lee If you are recovering the fuselage it's a good time to put in a larger fuel tank (depending what you currently have of course). I replaced my 5 gallon with a 10 gallon poly dune buggy tank. It worked out very well. I can send pictures if it would help. Malcolm http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Morgan" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:36:30 AM Subject: Kolb-List: intro and request Hi, I am new to this list, I recently purchased a Twinstar MK II Kolb that has been a hanger queen for some years. I plan on going thru it this winter and also recovering the fuselage section. I recently received a copy of the builders manual from someone on the yahoo list but I then had a computer crash and had to rebuild my system. In the rebuild I lost the manual and my email contacts. I am looking for another copy of this manual and any additional info that someone would share. Thanks for any help. Lee.. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New FireStar II Owner
From: "FIRESTARII" <CCMFarms(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 13, 2011
:D Hello everybody, My name is Seth Miller I live in Ohio just south of Medina. I recently purchased "GoTime's" FSII airplane. To date I have logged a little over 40 hours in the airplane and thats in less than a month of ownership! I have flown many, many different airplanes and have logged a little over 9800 hours. I currently hold a first class medical, an ATP with a type in the EMB-145, an ME-CFII and all the other ratings that go alone with that! The FSII by far the most fun, easiest to fly, and rewarding aircraft I have flown to date. Since my purchase I have installed new much larger tires in order to get in and out of my meager 600' strip at my farm in southern Ohio. I also installed the Stol Speed VG's and the difference, although not "profound", is noticeable and significant and I would recommend them to any Kolb owner. The low speed handling and feel was dramatically improved and the stall, although alrealy mild became a very predictable "mush", both power on and off. The reason for my post is the airplane is equipped with the 3 blade IVO quick adjust prop and, because I am spoiled, I want an in-flight, constant speed, adjustable prop. IVO offers this but only at a steep price. I am curious if any body has had experience with this set up and weather or not its worth the weight and complexity penalty. As far as flight conditions go I almost always have one of my two boys with me or my "Hot Wife"(who, surprisingly absolutely loves the airplane) so I fly fairly heavy off an otherwise very short strip. The prop, not sure of the actual pitch, is set with a max static RPM of 6800 so its pure TO/CLIMB and cruise suffers some what. I would like a happy medium and/or that adjustable/constant speed retro fit that IVO offers. Any input/advise would really be appreciated. Thanks everybody and I really enjoy all your post(religious or not) the information really helped me after the purchase of my airplane. -------- Low and Slow FireStar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352221#352221 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2011
From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: New FireStar II Owner
I have a three blade in air adjustable ivo...for 503 and 582...Half price...Herb At 08:49 PM 9/13/2011, you wrote: > >:D Hello everybody, My name is Seth Miller I live in Ohio just >south of Medina. I recently purchased "GoTime's" FSII airplane. To >date I have logged a little over 40 hours in the airplane and thats >in less than a month of ownership! I have flown many, many >different airplanes and have logged a little over 9800 hours. I >currently hold a first class medical, an ATP with a type in the >EMB-145, an ME-CFII and all the other ratings that go alone with >that! The FSII by far the most fun, easiest to fly, and rewarding >aircraft I have flown to date. Since my purchase I have installed >new much larger tires in order to get in and out of my meager 600' >strip at my farm in southern Ohio. I also installed the Stol Speed >VG's and the difference, although not "profound", is noticeable and >significant and I would recommend them to any Kolb owner. The low >speed handling and feel was dramatically improved and the stall, >although alrealy mild became a very predictable "mush", both p! > ower on and off. The reason for my post is the airplane is > equipped with the 3 blade IVO quick adjust prop and, because I am > spoiled, I want an in-flight, constant speed, adjustable prop. IVO > offers this but only at a steep price. I am curious if any body > has had experience with this set up and weather or not its worth > the weight and complexity penalty. As far as flight conditions go > I almost always have one of my two boys with me or my "Hot > Wife"(who, surprisingly absolutely loves the airplane) so I fly > fairly heavy off an otherwise very short strip. The prop, not sure > of the actual pitch, is set with a max static RPM of 6800 so its > pure TO/CLIMB and cruise suffers some what. I would like a happy > medium and/or that adjustable/constant speed retro fit that IVO > offers. Any input/advise would really be appreciated. Thanks > everybody and I really enjoy all your post(religious or not) the > information really helped me after the purchase of my airplane. > >-------- >Low and Slow FireStar II > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352221#352221 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2011
Subject: Re: New FireStar II Owner
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Seth, You didn't say what engine you have so forgive me if I assume wrong, but I would guess either a 447 or 503 Rotax. At any rate a two stroke. If you install an inflight adjustable prop you're going to find yourself chasing CHT and EGT readings all over the map because the prop is part of the intake and exhaust tuning on a two stroke. If you increase pitch you'll find your CHT readings going high, if you set the base for an ultra climb setting, the CHT's will drop but the EGT readings will go high. I am not a fan of IVO props. I've had both a two blade and three blade on a 447 powered trike and a 377 powered Minimax respectively. They don't seem to have much quality control over either how the crank is welded on the wire or how it's anchored in the blade. I honestly don't know which is the case, but when I put my Warp Drive propeller protractor on either of them I never found two blades the same. Both props had a one degree variation in pitch between the blades and with their system you cannot adjust it out. I also found I had to machine the blocks on the two blade to make them equal to the prop thickness otherwise the aluminum cover plate had to bend in order to contact the blades. My 2 cents. Rick Girard On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:49 PM, FIRESTARII wrote: > > :D Hello everybody, My name is Seth Miller I live in Ohio just south of > Medina. I recently purchased "GoTime's" FSII airplane. To date I have > logged a little over 40 hours in the airplane and thats in less than a month > of ownership! I have flown many, many different airplanes and have logged a > little over 9800 hours. I currently hold a first class medical, an ATP with > a type in the EMB-145, an ME-CFII and all the other ratings that go alone > with that! The FSII by far the most fun, easiest to fly, and rewarding > aircraft I have flown to date. Since my purchase I have installed new much > larger tires in order to get in and out of my meager 600' strip at my farm > in southern Ohio. I also installed the Stol Speed VG's and the difference, > although not "profound", is noticeable and significant and I would recommend > them to any Kolb owner. The low speed handling and feel was dramatically > improved and the stall, although alrealy mild became a very predictable > "mush", both p! > ower on and off. The reason for my post is the airplane is equipped with > the 3 blade IVO quick adjust prop and, because I am spoiled, I want an > in-flight, constant speed, adjustable prop. IVO offers this but only at a > steep price. I am curious if any body has had experience with this set up > and weather or not its worth the weight and complexity penalty. As far as > flight conditions go I almost always have one of my two boys with me or my > "Hot Wife"(who, surprisingly absolutely loves the airplane) so I fly fairly > heavy off an otherwise very short strip. The prop, not sure of the actual > pitch, is set with a max static RPM of 6800 so its pure TO/CLIMB and cruise > suffers some what. I would like a happy medium and/or that > adjustable/constant speed retro fit that IVO offers. Any input/advise would > really be appreciated. Thanks everybody and I really enjoy all your > post(religious or not) the information really helped me after the purchase > of my airplane. > > -------- > Low and Slow FireStar II > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352221#352221 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2011
From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
This is a little off the top, so hold on to your hats, but since I know that my Alum prop handles rain pretty well, in fact its not an issue that ever came up, why not place an alum prop on the M3 sized Kolbs for the rainy day fliers. I have not looked into the weight penalty and all of the rest of it, but .... ? Has anyone tried it at all, a two blade Sensenitch as goes on a C-150, maybe? Everybody relax just wondering out loud. Furiously digging a fox hole. :-) Ron @ KFHU ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Beauford " <beauford173(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: New FireStar II Owner
Date: Sep 14, 2011
Brother Miller: Welcome to the list... You are certainly well qualified, Sir. I am what's left of Beauford, and I do my best to operate a FireFly with a 447. For ratings, I currently hold a Florida driver's license backed up with a moderately oversized prostate. The FS II is a sweetheart and I bet you will have a lot of fun with her; Congrats. You didn't mention your engine... so will assume you have either a 447 or 503 2-stroke Rotax. Re your prop... 6,800 static sounds a tad high...6,800 is 447/503 redline and only for one minute... so that setting will likely put you well over redline on full throttle climb.... and the 2-strokes do need to climb wide open to get the extra cooling from the rich mixture. Most folks seem to like them set somewhere around 62 or 63 hundred static.... which will let it run at somewhere just below redline wide open in level flight. Having a little heavier prop loading will also help out with your EGT's, which are likely to be running a bit on the toasty side right now with that light prop loading. There are some really good 2-strokers on this here list... and I don't claim to be one of 'em... But if you haven't fooled around with these pesky little engines before, you are about to have a whole new world open before your bewildered eyes... There is a 4-way devil dance between CHT, EGT, carb setup and the IVO...all done on the edge of a razor blade. Once a delicate truce is established among these warring parties, most of the two-stroke people I know tend to tiptoe around and speak in hushed tones when near the Rotax lest the sleeping dragon awake and exact some perverse 2-stroke vengeance upon their body or their wallet. Changes to any one of the four factors is likely to cause a change in one or more of the others, so I am not sure how well a variable pitch prop would work... you could well have some unintended consequences. Might be worth a trip through the Kolb List archives to see what you can find on this, or even calling some of the Rotax sales & service folks for their opinions. In the meantime, I don't think you would go wrong by backing that IVO center screw out a bit and loading the engine up some... down below redline anyway. Worth what ye paid fer it... 2-steppin' beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:49 PM Hello everybody, My name is Seth Miller I live in Ohio just south of Medina. I recently purchased "GoTime's" FSII airplane. Any input/advise would really be appreciated-------- Low and Slow FireStar II ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Renee <ulflygirl(at)mysky.us>
Subject: Re: New FireStar II Owner
Date: Sep 13, 2011
Hi Seth. Welcome I am a previous owner of a firestar kxp with 337 and wood prop. Currently have a rans s14, 503, ivo 3 blade. I agree with the idea that increasing pitch will decrease egt only because it increases loading and not tuning. Want proof (get ready for a blown engine), try a powered decent. Very easy to do wrong and i have always been advised against it. I am a strong believer of two concepts though. Recommeded carb jetting and a grand rapids eis. Then play with pitch as much as you want and monitor for changes in egt and cht. Now in my humble opinion, 6800 static is too high. It means you cant go full throttle on takeoff without exceeding max rpm, therefore a wasted range of throttle. I would want 6500 to 6800 on climb out with full throttle myself if i were pitching for a climb prop ( i prefer about 6200 static to get 6500 on climbout. For cruise pitch, maybe closer to 6200 on climbout( my preference for the rans due to high vne). On a legal note, i dont know if your registration is elsa or amatuer built. If it is elsa, and faa finds out you ever had a in flight adjustable on it, they can void the certificate. I only bring it up here because of the number of errors i see on ads for sale as i shop for a kolbra or mark III, prefer xtra elsa. Renee Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) On Sep 13, 2011, at 9:56 PM, "Beauford " wrote: > > Brother Miller: > > Welcome to the list... You are certainly well qualified, Sir. > I am what's left of Beauford, and I do my best to operate a FireFly with a > 447. > > For ratings, I currently hold a Florida driver's license backed up with a > moderately > oversized prostate. > > The FS II is a sweetheart and I bet you will have a lot of fun with her; > Congrats. > > You didn't mention your engine... so will assume you have either a 447 or > 503 2-stroke Rotax. > > Re your prop... 6,800 static sounds a tad high...6,800 is 447/503 redline > and only for one minute... so that setting will likely put you well over > redline on full throttle climb.... and the 2-strokes do need to climb wide > open to get the extra cooling from the rich mixture. > > Most folks seem to like them set somewhere around 62 or 63 hundred > static.... which will let it run at somewhere just below redline > wide open in level flight. Having a little heavier prop loading will also > help out with your EGT's, which are likely to be running a bit > on the toasty side right now with that light prop loading. > > There are some really good 2-strokers on this here list... and I don't claim > to be one of 'em... But if you haven't fooled around with these pesky > little > engines before, you are about to have a whole new world open before your > bewildered eyes... There is a 4-way devil dance between CHT, EGT, carb > setup and the IVO...all done on the edge of a razor blade. Once a delicate > truce is established among these warring parties, most of the two-stroke > people I know tend to tiptoe around and speak in hushed tones when near the > Rotax lest the sleeping dragon awake and exact some perverse > 2-stroke vengeance upon their body or their wallet. Changes to any one of > the four factors is likely to cause a change in one or more of the others, > so > I am not sure how well a variable pitch prop would work... you could well > have some unintended consequences. > > Might be worth a trip through the Kolb List archives to see what you can > find on this, or even calling some of the Rotax sales & service folks for > their > opinions. In the meantime, I don't think you would go wrong by backing > that IVO center screw out a bit and loading the engine up some... down below > redline anyway. > > > Worth what ye paid fer it... > > 2-steppin' beauford > FF-076 > Brandon, FL > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:49 PM > > > Hello everybody, My name is Seth Miller I live in Ohio just south of > Medina. I recently purchased "GoTime's" FSII airplane. > > Any input/advise would really be appreciated-------- > Low and Slow FireStar II > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2011
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
At 10:54 PM 9/13/2011, Ron @ KFHU wrote: > >This is a little off the top, so hold on to your hats, but since I know >that my Alum prop handles rain pretty well, in fact its not an issue that ever >came up, why not place an alum prop on the M3 sized Kolbs for the rainy >day fliers. I have not looked into the weight penalty... It sure would be heavier. You might be able to live with it from a W&B standpoint by taking it into account, but I doubt a Rotax gearbox could handle the increased moment of inertia. Even the direct drive auto engine conversions would likely have trouble with it. -Dana -- "Let's set the memory limit at 640K. Nobody will EVER need more RAM than that." - Bill Gates, 1981 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2011
Subject: Re: rain tolerant prop
Ron, Thinking out loud is a habit of experimenters and tinkerers. Sometimes you have to go thru a lot of "imperfect" ideas to get to the best ones. That said, I doubt seriously that anyone makes an aluminum prop for a Jabiru or Rotax pusher. I do not know the hole pattern in an O-200 prop flange but suspect it is not identical to either a Rotax or Jabiru. I know the twist for a C-150 tractor is in the wrong direction for a pusher Rotax 912 or Jabiru. Jabiru specifies wood only except on one or two approved composite props they have tested. Being a cheapskate, my current solution is to avoid rain whenever possible. When rain cannot be avoided I will slow down to about 65 mph and 2400 rpm keeping tip speeds below 520 mph, which appears to be the speed limit above which rain begins to erode my prop leading edge. Thom in Buffalo On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Ron @ KFHU wrote: > > This is a little off the top, so hold on to your hats, but since I know > that my Alum prop handles rain pretty well, in fact its not an issue that > ever > came up, why not place an alum prop on the M3 sized Kolbs for the rainy day > fliers. I have not looked into the weight penalty > and all of the rest of it, but .... ? > Has anyone tried it at all, a two blade Sensenitch as goes on a C-150, > maybe? > Everybody relax just wondering out loud. Furiously digging a fox hole. :-) > > Ron @ KFHU > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lee Morgan" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: intro and request
Date: Sep 14, 2011
Rick, I am located in central Massachusetts, I little more info ,I have a sport license and previous planes that I have flown are a Quicksilver mx, Vector 627, Goldwing, currently the Hawk, I have in the works a Rans S-4 Coyote - (just because I got such a good deal on it) and this winter the MK II. Lee.. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lee Morgan" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: intro and requestintro and request intro and request
Date: Sep 14, 2011
Malcolm, Nice looking plane and nice setup with the trailer also. The dune buggy tank is a good idea, the MK II that I have, currently has two 5 gallon tanks. I have to inspect these to see their condition and will definitely keep the dune buggy tank in mind. where did you get it from ? Lee.. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2011
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: New FireStar II Owner
> ............................... >I would like a happy medium and/or that adjustable/constant speed retro fit that IVO offers. Any input/advise would really be appreciated. Thanks everybody and I really enjoy all your post(religious or not) the information really helped me after the purchase of my airplane. > Seth, If you are running a two-cycle engine, you will need an air/fuel mixture control to keep your engine operating efficiently and to keep the EGT within acceptable limits as you change the propeller pitch to and/or from climb to cruise. I have developed such a control for the Bing 54 carburetor that is used on the Rotax 447 and the Simonini Victor 1+. I used it for many hours on the Victor 1+, It is very stable and easy to use. If you are interested it can be viewed at: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly146.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2011
From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: 5 gallon tanks
I have two brand new Kolb 5 gallon tanks that came along with my kit. Those have never been used and are as new as it gets, Arizona dust is available if so desired. Been sitting in My hanger same spot for about 10 years. Anyone wants them make an offer, they are doing me no good. I installed custom tanks in my M3X so I can't see I'll ever need them. Contact offline if interested. Ron @ KFHU -=============================================== ---- Lee Morgan wrote: ============ Malcolm, Nice looking plane and nice setup with the trailer also. The dune buggy tank is a good idea, the MK II that I have, currently has two 5 gallon tanks. I have to inspect these to see their condition and will definitely keep the dune buggy tank in mind. where did you get it from ? Lee.. -- kugelair.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New FireStar II Owner
From: "FIRESTARII" <CCMFarms(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2011
Hello everybody sorry I did not post my engine type regardless its a 503DCDI oil injected. As far as EGT/CHT both fall well within the recommended range under the current set up. Based on that I have a tendency to believe that the "Tach" is reading slightly high of the actual RPMs so this week I am going to try out an optical tach that I have used previously on my model airplanes and helicopters for tuning purposed as it is very small and adjustable for 2 or 3 blade configurations. I will post the results and data. Additionally the reply about pulling the certs confused me somewhat it is registered to the best of my knowledge ELSA-AMbuilt? So the statement about the prop is above my level of comprehension? Huh? If the man with the prop for sale would email or call me I would like to try to get something worked out with ya. two one six-288-forty two ten. The airplane fly's great the way it is but as all airplane owners know there is always room for improvement. I am very spoiled because for the last ten years I have flown only turbo-jets or high perf pistons with constant speed props. As an unintended consequence I have found I am extremely sensitive to RPM variations in flight and find myself aways on edge thinking that little sucker is going to quit in the next 30 seconds. BTW I fly the airplane with that in mind:)! My goal here is simply to improve the overall usability of the bird as I absolutely love her and if it works the way the ones on the Lycomings and Continentals do I believe it would be a wonderful addition. Let me know what you guys figure out and thanks again for your input. -------- Low and Slow FireStar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352279#352279 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2011
Subject: Re: New FireStar II Owner
From: b d <gpabruce(at)gmail.com>
If you're you're running a 2 stroke, you may want to retain your edge and consider it probably will quit in the next 30 sec. :-) *". . . find myself always on edge thinking that little sucker is going to quit in the next 30 seconds"*. Check out the times on Rotax engines . . the real times under the ones for sale like: "Plane has 100 hrs, engine just overhauled" Be looking for a good 4 stroke. Bruce On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:22 AM, FIRESTARII wrote: > > Hello everybody sorry I did not post my engine type regardless its a > 503DCDI oil injected. As far as EGT/CHT both fall well within the > recommended range under the current set up. Based on that I have a tendency > to believe that the "Tach" is reading slightly high of the actual RPMs so > this week I am going to try out an optical tach that I have used previously > on my model airplanes and helicopters for tuning purposed as it is very > small and adjustable for 2 or 3 blade configurations. I will post the > results and data. > Additionally the reply about pulling the certs confused me somewhat it is > registered to the best of my knowledge ELSA-AMbuilt? So the statement about > the prop is above my level of comprehension? Huh? > If the man with the prop for sale would email or call me I would like to > try to get something worked out with ya. two one six-288-forty two ten. > The airplane fly's great the way it is but as all airplane owners know > there is always room for improvement. I am very spoiled because for the > last ten years I have flown only turbo-jets or high perf pistons with > constant speed props. As an unintended consequence I have found I am > extremely sensitive to RPM variations in flight and find myself aways on > edge thinking that little sucker is going to quit in the next 30 seconds. > BTW I fly the airplane with that in mind:)! > My goal here is simply to improve the overall usability of the bird as I > absolutely love her and if it works the way the ones on the Lycomings and > Continentals do I believe it would be a wonderful addition. Let me know > what you guys figure out and thanks again for your input. > > -------- > Low and Slow FireStar II > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352279#352279 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2011
Subject: Re: New FireStar II Owner
Sorry to report that there is no such thing as "ELSA-AMbuilt". Either it is ELSA or Experimental Amateur Built. Most are Experimental Am-Built but some were registered under the FAA amnesty program for fat ultralights which previously flew un-registered, and were issued an ELSA (experimental light sport aircraft) a/w certificate after inspection. The poster warning of the airworthiness certification being yanked if the airplane no longer meets ELSA requirements (a constant speed prop would do that because an ELSA or SLSA don't permit this) could loose its airworthiness certificate. if the FAA knows about it. THEN the only way to fly it legally would be to apply for Exp-Am-Built a/w certificate which would require all sorts of documentation that may or may not be available. If your pink slip (airworthiness certificate) says Experimental Amateur Built then you can do the constant speed prop and fly it legally as long as you maintain your FAA medical. I hope this does not add to the confusion. Thom in Buffalo On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:39 AM, b d wrote: > > If you're you're running a 2 stroke, you may want to retain your edge and > consider it probably will quit in the next 30 sec. :-) *". . . find > myself always on edge thinking that little sucker is going to quit in the > next 30 seconds"*. > > Check out the times on Rotax engines . . the real times under the ones for > sale like: "Plane has 100 hrs, engine just overhauled" Be looking for a > good 4 stroke. > > Bruce > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:22 AM, FIRESTARII wrote: > >> >> Hello everybody sorry I did not post my engine type regardless its a >> 503DCDI oil injected. As far as EGT/CHT both fall well within the >> recommended range under the current set up. Based on that I have a tendency >> to believe that the "Tach" is reading slightly high of the actual RPMs so >> this week I am going to try out an optical tach that I have used previously >> on my model airplanes and helicopters for tuning purposed as it is very >> small and adjustable for 2 or 3 blade configurations. I will post the >> results and data. >> Additionally the reply about pulling the certs confused me somewhat it is >> registered to the best of my knowledge ELSA-AMbuilt? So the statement about >> the prop is above my level of comprehension? Huh? >> If the man with the prop for sale would email or call me I would like to >> try to get something worked out with ya. two one six-288-forty two ten. >> The airplane fly's great the way it is but as all airplane owners know >> there is always room for improvement. I am very spoiled because for the >> last ten years I have flown only turbo-jets or high perf pistons with >> constant speed props. As an unintended consequence I have found I am >> extremely sensitive to RPM variations in flight and find myself aways on >> edge thinking that little sucker is going to quit in the next 30 seconds. >> BTW I fly the airplane with that in mind:)! >> My goal here is simply to improve the overall usability of the bird as I >> absolutely love her and if it works the way the ones on the Lycomings and >> Continentals do I believe it would be a wonderful addition. Let me know >> what you guys figure out and thanks again for your input. >> >> -------- >> Low and Slow FireStar II >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352279#352279 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2011
Subject: Re: New FireStar II Owner
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Seth, I can explain about the certs issue. Below is the definition of a Light Sport Aircraft from FAR 1.1 Definitions Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to meet the following: (1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than=97 (i) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation on water; or (ii) 1,430 pounds (650 kilograms) for an aircraft intended for operation on water. (2) A maximum airspeed in level flight with maximum continuous power (VH) o f not more than 120 knots CAS under standard atmospheric conditions at sea level. (3) A maximum never-exceed speed (VNE) of not more than 120 knots CAS for a glider. (4) A maximum stalling speed or minimum steady flight speed without the use of lift-enhancing devices (VS1) of not more than 45 knots CAS at the aircraft's maximum certificated takeoff weight and most critical center of gravity. (5) A maximum seating capacity of no more than two persons, including the pilot. (6) A single, reciprocating engine, if powered.

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