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October 20, 2012 - January 05, 2013
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David,
A cord spiral wound around a round strut will reduce the drag and lessen the
tendency to produce von Karmann vortices that cause the strut to strum.
What you are doing is tripping the boundary layer, which moves the flow
separation further back behind the strut and this reduces the drag.
Spiral cord wrapping with a high pitch angle is much like the smoke stack which
has to withstand wind loads from all directions. But with
a wing strut one has to worry about only one direction, and so the tripping
can be accomplished by placing or gluing a wire to the top and bottom sides
of the strut. If you would like to see some better explanation of this
check out page 20 on of:
http://www.bakker.org/dartmouth06/engs150/11-bl.pdf
The struts on my FireFly strummed, and I streamlined my struts and the noise
disappeared. How it was done can be seen at:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly91.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
This site has not refreshed in about 10 days for me. Is it my computer??
Rex
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| Subject: | exploring options in NE VA |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
Are there any Kolb drivers that live and/or fly out of the Winchester,
Virginia area?
I'm wondering what hangar rents are like, and if there are smaller (smaller
than KOKV), turf, UL/LSA friendly airfields in the area (or closer to DC,
but still outside the ring) with space.
Thanks.
-- Robert
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| Subject: | 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
The temperature-dew point spread tells a pilot how close the air is to being 100%
saturated, Fortunately old wise men 503 Rotax pilots rarely fly in such conditions.
There seems to be a general consensus that two strokes gas /oil mixtures are invincible
to icing, if you have the BING 54 carbs on your two stroke 503 as most
Kolb Firestar pilots have they are not as prone to carb icing, because it works
with a piston and not a valve as most other carbs do so most ice that will
be formed will by design be sucked into the engine, and heated up to melt down
preventing the carb piston itself from freezing in a fixed position.
The highest probability for carb icing is during a long decent. It's good General
Aviation airmanship to add carb heat and clear the throttle at intervals during
a glide approach, keep the power up, and remain with gliding distance of
good fields until you get home and don't reduce power until you are sure you can
make the field.
Fly Safe, stay revved up !
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| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
I wonder what risks a diaphragm carb suffers with carb ice? ( I.e. a Tillot
son ) At least there's no slide to stick. Perhaps just reduced air intake,
resulting in higher oil-to-fuel ratio?
Assuming the whole throat doesn't fill up with ice, does that mean fouled p
lugs are the biggest problem?
Phil H
FF11-4-76
--- On Wed, 10/24/12, Dennis Thate wrote:
From: Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: 'Tis the Season' Reminder
Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 6:37 PM
The temperature-dew point spread tells a pilot how close the air is to bein
g 100% saturated, Fortunately old wise men 503 Rotax- pilots rarely fly i
n such conditions.
There seems to be a general consensus that two strokes gas /oil mixtures ar
e invincible to icing, if you have the BING 54 carbs on your two stroke 503
as most Kolb Firestar pilots have they are not as prone to carb icing, bec
ause it works with a piston and not a valve as most other carbs do so most
ice that will be formed will by design be sucked into the engine, and heate
d up to melt down preventing the carb piston itself from freezing in a fixe
d position.
The highest probability for carb icing is during a long decent. It's good G
eneral Aviation airmanship to add carb heat and clear the throttle at inter
vals during a glide approach, keep the power up, and remain with gliding di
stance of good fields until you get home and don't reduce power until you a
re sure you can make the field.
Fly Safe, stay revved up- !
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
At 07:28 PM 10/24/2012, Phil wrote:
>I wonder what risks a diaphragm carb suffers with carb ice? ( I.e. a
>Tillotson ) At least there's no slide to stick. Perhaps just reduced air
>intake, resulting in higher oil-to-fuel ratio?
In a traditional carb, ice tends to build up on the butterfly, so I assume
it would be the same with a Tillotson or Walbro. The oil in the mix and
slight puffback of a 2-stroke I think is the main thing that helps us, not
the fact that the Bings are slide carbs.
-Dana
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heralds new discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but rather,
'hmm.... that's funny...'
--Isaac Asimov
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
At 06:37 PM 10/24/2012, Dennis Thate wrote:
>
>There seems to be a general consensus that two strokes gas /oil mixtures
>are invincible to icing, if you have the BING 54 carbs on your two stroke
>503 as most Kolb Firestar pilots have they are not as prone to carb icing...
... but it still can happen. I have had two engine failures that I can
only attribute to icing... no other apparent cause, very close temperature
and dewpoint. In my case it's a Mikuni, but that's very similar to a
Bing. I was lucky, in both cases I was able to restart, but I was sure
picking landing fields!
-Dana
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The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that
heralds new discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but rather,
'hmm.... that's funny...'
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| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
One of the rules that I have adopted from my Light Sport instructor was to
not fly if the dew point is within 6 degrees of temps. Easy to do, worth
doing.
Larry
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
> At 06:37 PM 10/24/2012, Dennis Thate wrote:
>
>
> There seems to be a general consensus that two strokes gas /oil mixtures
> are invincible to icing, if you have the BING 54 carbs on your two stroke
> 503 as most Kolb Firestar pilots have they are not as prone to carb icing...
>
>
> ... but it still can happen. I have had two engine failures that I can
> only attribute to icing... no other apparent cause, very close temperature
> and dewpoint. In my case it's a Mikuni, but that's very similar to a
> Bing. I was lucky, in both cases I was able to restart, but I was sure
> picking landing fields!
>
> -Dana
>
>
> --
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> heralds new discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but rather,
> 'hmm.... that's funny...'
> --Isaac Asimov
>
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| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Years ago my brother in law was flying his Quicksolver MX, had a Cuyuna with a
Mikuni on it, and it was a fall day, humid and damp. It was acting up, so we pulled
off the aircleaner, tied it down, and let it run for awhile.
After a while, we got to watch a little "half-volcano" of ice crystals build up
around the front side of the slide needle as the fuel was coming up around the
needle. It never got big enough to close the throat, but it did get big enough
to alter the proper airflow function of the carb. If I remember right, it was
about 3/8" high, and 1/4" wide at the base.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
It seems that carbs that have cross structure down stream of the fuel disch
arge point ice more readily.The Bing 64 on the Jabiru is the worst I've exp
erienced.Have any of the 912 engines had this issue?
G.Aman MK3 C Jabiru 2200A 765 hrs electric carb heat
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:54 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: 'Tis the Season' Reminder
The temperature-dew point spread tells a pilot how close the air is to bein
g
100% saturated, Fortunately old wise men 503 Rotax pilots rarely fly in su
ch
conditions.
There seems to be a general consensus that two strokes gas /oil mixtures ar
e
invincible to icing, if you have the BING 54 carbs on your two stroke 503 a
s
most Kolb Firestar pilots have they are not as prone to carb icing, because
it
works with a piston and not a valve as most other carbs do so most ice that
will
be formed will by design be sucked into the engine, and heated up to melt d
own
preventing the carb piston itself from freezing in a fixed position.
The highest probability for carb icing is during a long decent. It's good
General Aviation airmanship to add carb heat and clear the throttle at inte
rvals
during a glide approach, keep the power up, and remain with gliding distanc
e of
good fields until you get home and don't reduce power until you are sure yo
u can
make the field.
Fly Safe, stay revved up !
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nts
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Gary,
Unless your Jab2200 is a very very early one, the Bing carb on it is a 94 (40mm).
They used a 64 model (36mm) for only a short while and it didn't take them
very long to determine it was not big enough. However, they are of similar design
and function much the same way,
I've not had any carb icing in my Slingshot with Jab2200 but in the 11 years I've
been flying Rotax 912 engines, I've had two carb ice incidents. Detecting it
early both times, I was able to get rid of it by cycling the throttle idle to
WOT, back and forth a couple times. In both cases it was in warm weather with
high humidity.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
I had a similar episode last spring... about 60 65 deg f humidity was up
,high but not extremely high, I had been out about an hour and was
coming back into the pattern when I pulled the throttle back, I heard some
funny/different noises,,, cycled the throttle a couple of times, a bit more
noise, and landed promptly. when I shut the engine down I hurried out and
could see a very thin film of ice on the outside of the carb.
I have a friend that moved here from florida,,, and he said on a humid day
after a rain, carb ice was routine on his 912. he had to add a carb
heater or limit his flying days. he was flying a plane in tractor
configuration.
boyd young
mkiii 912 utah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gary,
I've not had any carb icing in my Slingshot with Jab2200 but in the 11 years
I've been flying Rotax 912 engines, I've had two carb ice incidents.
Detecting it early both times, I was able to get rid of it by cycling the
throttle idle to WOT, back and forth a couple times. In both cases it was in
warm weather with high humidity.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Firestar II copit photos... |
Hello Kolbers,
Winter is closing in, here in the far north, and it is time to get busy
building again. I am trying to complete the kit that has the Kolbra
"prototype fuselage." For my conversation with Jim Hauck, who built the
prototype, what I have is basically a Firestar III.
I have a pile of instruments, and gear that needs to find a home on the
panel and in the front.
If you have a Firestar and like the way you have set things up, please post
a photo so that I can benefit from your knowledge.
Thanks, for the help!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Ak
N607AK
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| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
| From: | Gerry Visel <gcvisel(at)gmail.com> |
Is there a carb heat mod for the 503? --Gerry
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM, b young wrote:
>
> I had a similar episode last spring... about 60 65 deg f humidity was
> up ,high but not extremely high, I had been out about an hour and was
> coming back into the pattern when I pulled the throttle back, I heard some
> funny/different noises,,, cycled the throttle a couple of times, a bit
> more noise, and landed promptly. when I shut the engine down I hurried
> out and could see a very thin film of ice on the outside of the carb.
> I have a friend that moved here from florida,,, and he said on a humid day
> after a rain, carb ice was routine on his 912. he had to add a carb
> heater or limit his flying days. he was flying a plane in tractor
> configuration.
>
> boyd young
> mkiii 912 utah
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| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
It must be a 94.Don't see any identification on the casting,just looked lik
e a 64.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 8:19 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder
Gary,
Unless your Jab2200 is a very very early one, the Bing carb on it is a 94
(40mm). They used a 64 model (36mm) for only a short while and it didn't ta
ke
them very long to determine it was not big enough. However, they are of sim
ilar
design and function much the same way,
I've not had any carb icing in my Slingshot with Jab2200 but in the 11 year
s
I've been flying Rotax 912 engines, I've had two carb ice incidents. Detect
ing
it early both times, I was able to get rid of it by cycling the throttle id
le to
WOT, back and forth a couple times. In both cases it was in warm weather wi
th
high humidity.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
The ice will build at cruise power settings,and the power loss is so gradua
l that you may not catch it.But you WILL notice when the ice breaks loose a
nd the engine gags on it for a couple of revolutions.It gets me at warm up
speeds,1100rpm,and will almost die without heat.If you go to idle it will q
uit.It must ice over those small ports just aft of the throttle plate as we
ll.You've seen some pictures of the fog we get up here,great flying above t
he broken stuff but icing down low.
G.A.
-----Original Message-----
From: b young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 10:48 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder
I had a similar episode last spring... about 60 65 deg f humidity was u
p
,high but not extremely high, I had been out about an hour and was
coming back into the pattern when I pulled the throttle back, I heard some
funny/different noises,,, cycled the throttle a couple of times, a bit mor
e
noise, and landed promptly. when I shut the engine down I hurried out an
d
could see a very thin film of ice on the outside of the carb.
I have a friend that moved here from florida,,, and he said on a humid day
after a rain, carb ice was routine on his 912. he had to add a carb
heater or limit his flying days. he was flying a plane in tractor
configuration.
boyd young
mkiii 912 utah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gary,
I've not had any carb icing in my Slingshot with Jab2200 but in the 11 year
s
I've been flying Rotax 912 engines, I've had two carb ice incidents.
Detecting it early both times, I was able to get rid of it by cycling the
throttle idle to WOT, back and forth a couple times. In both cases it was i
n
warm weather with high humidity.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
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| From: | Dan <dan42101(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:CARB HEAT// Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
Yes, and simple.http://legacy.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/serviceinfo/4ul94.
pdf
--- On Fri, 10/26/12, Gerry Visel wrote:
From: Gerry Visel <gcvisel(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder
Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 12:42 PM
-- Is there a carb heat mod for the 503? --Gerry
=0AOn Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM, b young wrot
e:
=0A
I had a similar episode -last spring... - about 60 65 deg f -humidity
was up ,high but not extremely high, - - -I had been out about an ho
ur and was coming back into the pattern when I pulled the throttle back, I
heard some funny/different noises,,, -cycled the throttle a couple of tim
es, a bit more noise, -and landed promptly. - when I shut the engine do
wn I hurried out and could see a very thin film of ice on the outside of th
e carb.
=0AI have a friend that moved here from florida,,, and he said on a humid d
ay after a rain, carb ice was routine on his 912. - he had to -add a ca
rb heater or limit his flying days. he was flying a plane in tractor config
uration.
=0A
boyd young
========================0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II copit photos... |
| From: | "EricS" <eric_savener(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Nick,
I visited your area 4 years ago in an RV with my Dad towing my amphib. trike and
we flew over the Knik glacier from a nearby ROUGH bush flying field. The one
thing that sticks with you after flying in Alaska and seeing so many cool looking
bush planes is all those BIG tires. I love to land out and I put BIG tires
on my trike as soon as I returned to Texas.
When I bought my Kold Firestar II a few months back, it had 18" tundra tires on
it that were worn out and needed replacing. I bought the largest tires I could
afford - 21" tires for $100 each plus $40 BIG tubes to go inside them. The
next step up is real 26" Alaska Bushwheels for $1,000 each. I can land my Kolb
on the roughest fields with these BIG marshmallow tires as long as my LOW wingtips
on my "high" wing won't scrape the bushes (or grader terraces in some
cases on gravel roads).
My recommendation for any airplane flying at Kolb Firestar speeds is to get the
BIGGEST tires you can afford. Here's a pic of the shadow of my Kolb flying over
one of my crosswind practice areas. I love it because it highlights those
BIG tires!
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II copit photos... |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Here is my panel. I didn't have enough room to put the two fuel gages that
I used before, so the alum side panel supplied a spot for them.
The only guy with a Kolb in the Medford area is Roger Hankins, who has a
KXP. I am not sure if he monitors the list, so if you don't hear from him
before you get there, email me and I will give you his phone number. I am
sorry that I live about 8 hours from there.
Larry
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Nick Cassara wrote:
> Hello Kolbers,****
>
> ** **
>
> Winter is closing in, here in the far north, and it is time to get busy
> building again. I am trying to complete the kit that has the Kolbra
> =93prototype fuselage.=94 For my conversation with Jim Hauck, who built t
he
> prototype, what I have is basically a Firestar III.****
>
> ** **
>
> I have a pile of instruments, and gear that needs to find a home on the
> panel and in the front.****
>
> ** **
>
> If you have a Firestar and like the way you have set things up, please
> post a photo so that I can benefit from your knowledge. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks, for the help!****
>
> ** **
>
> Nick Cassara****
>
> Palmer, Ak****
>
> ** **
>
> N607AK****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry about inflicting my reply to Nick on the group. Getting forgetful I
guess. :-/
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II copit photos... |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Nick,
Attached is a shot of my Slingshot panel, same size as Firestar panel. All engine
and flight parameters are monitored with the EIS, except for ASI. I don't trust
electronics for my airspeed indication.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:28:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com>
>
I wonder what risks a diaphragm carb suffers with carb ice? ( I.e. a
Tillotson ) At least there's no slide to stick. Perhaps just reduced air
intake, resulting in higher oil-to-fuel ratio?
>
Assuming the whole throat doesn't fill up with ice, does that mean fouled
plugs are the biggest problem?
>
Phil,
>From the few flights I have with the MZ 34 with a Tillitson carburetor, I
found that it will ice up. Always I make a high approach so that if the
engine quits I can always make the field. This means that one must close
the throttle and spill altitude and results in a cold engine when one
reaches the point of round out and flare. After roll out the engine starts
easily.
Since I use mixed fuel, there is no reason to expect fouled plugs.
To get around this icing up problem, I searched the web and found some small
bolt heater that is used on KTM motorcycle engine carburetors. I drilled
the Tillotson carburetor and mounted one. I have not had a chance, as yet,
to check it out but you can see how it was done at the bottom of:
http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly153.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: 'Tis the Season' Reminder |
| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
When I was flying 172s, the SOP was to turn on carb heat when entering the pattern
and pulling the throttle back as there was a greater tendency for carb icing.
Sent from my iPad
Brad
On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:48, "b young" wrote:
>
> I had a similar episode last spring... about 60 65 deg f humidity was up
,high but not extremely high, I had been out about an hour and was coming
back into the pattern when I pulled the throttle back, I heard some funny/different
noises,,, cycled the throttle a couple of times, a bit more noise, and
landed promptly. when I shut the engine down I hurried out and could see a
very thin film of ice on the outside of the carb.
> I have a friend that moved here from florida,,, and he said on a humid day after
a rain, carb ice was routine on his 912. he had to add a carb heater or
limit his flying days. he was flying a plane in tractor configuration.
>
> boyd young
> mkiii 912 utah
>
> Gary,
> I've not had any carb icing in my Slingshot with Jab2200 but in the 11 years
I've been flying Rotax 912 engines, I've had two carb ice incidents. Detecting
it early both times, I was able to get rid of it by cycling the throttle idle
to WOT, back and forth a couple times. In both cases it was in warm weather with
high humidity.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Newbie Questions? |
| From: | Gerry Visel <gcvisel(at)gmail.com> |
I'm looking at a Mark III Classic, with which to get my LSA ticket.
I have 50 hours toward my private 30+ years ago, but now the kids are
grown and gone and its time to fly again. I was looking seriously at a
Quad City Challenger II, but am leaning more toward the side-by-side
layout of the Mark III as a training aircraft.
Can anyone compare the two as a trainer aircraft?
The one I'm looking at has a Rotax 618 engine, which is no longer
sold. Should I stay away? Any major issues?
Thanks for any feedback!
Gerry Visel
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| From: | JC Gilpin <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com> |
Gday All,
Here's a short video of unloading and rigging my Firefly and flying from
Brian Ranch Field near El Mirage lake bed, CA.
http://youtu.be/DltfEwTEIq0
This is a very active ultralight field, with about 60 aircraft hangared
here. Mostly Quicksilvers, but Bob in a clipped-wing Firestar dropped in
from his private strip nearby. I had a brilliant day climbing up to
10,000ft over the San Gabriel mountains to get a view of the Los Angeles
basin, (and that's as close as I want to get)...... Could see all the way
to Santa Catalina Island. Still climbing 200fpm.
JG
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Newbie Questions? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Never flown a Challenger, but one of the guys in our club bought one several years
ago. This guy flies everything for a living, and he described it as one of
the worst flying airplanes he had ever flown. Back before I got my MKIII, the
wife and I went to a Challenger dealer and tried one on. Unless you are slim
and agile, you don't want to be in the back seat. Getting out is a media event.
Funny Home Videos media...
The MKIII is not inherently stable, and requires active pilotage in all three axis
at all times. Learn to fly in it and you will be good at flying anything.
It will spoil you for flying other taildraggers, because it is the easiest taildragger
to fly imaginable.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Newbie Questions? |
Hi Jerry,
Hardly anyone on this list will mention the Challenger without spitting.
I disagree. I flew the Challenger with a 503 engine very happily for several
years.It wandered a bit until the forward extension of the tailfin was
fitted. That improved it a lot.It did everything I wanted .A selfstarter
would have been nice but I could stand at the side with my left hand on the
throttle and pull the cord easily. I never chocked the wheels.The flaperons
worked to some extent but were more use in trimming the plane than as flaps.
That didn`t matter as she would side slip as though the wings had fallen
off and recover immediately on kicking off the slip.The U/c survived
unscathed through some really horrific landings/takeoffs from some appalling
fields.. Unlike the Kolb which will put a bend in the u/c legs if you drop
it in a bit heavily.The tricycle u/c made ground handling a doddle.
Unfortunately advancing age made getting in and out of the Challenger a bit
difficult and I wanted a 4 stroke engine.and a bit more comfort.
I had admired the lines of the Kolb for years.and bought a Mark 3 Xtra with
a Jabiru. The visibility is superb and the design well tried. The side by
side cockpit with a lid on looks very desirable and comfortable.
I trained on a taildragger so the change back from the Challenger was not a
major consideration. Macho too.`Real pilots fly taildraggers` but I wish I
hadn`t bothered. Trike u/c is superior in every way. No need for toe
brakes.No problems taxiing in a crosswind etc.
It is nice flying side by side and certainly better for receiving
instruction but if you fly mainly solo the decreased frontal area of the
Challenger makes for better efficiency.If you are big the cockpit is a bit
cramped. The big cockpit of the Kolb leaves plenty of room for maps, food
and general storage if you intend doing extended X country trips.The doors
make for easy access.
Unfortunately because of back problems I can no longer do the ground
handling, refuelling, maintenance etc and do not fly at all but if I was
forty again I would have a Challenger with a 4 stroke engine fitted. I
loved the open cockpit. If I was seventy again I would probably have a Kolb
Xtra but only if available with tricyle undercart.
This will probably provoke howls of disagreement on the list and will
provide material for a new thread for weeks to come. Sift through the
comments and you will learn a lot. Maybe even enough to make an informed
decision.
Stick with the Kolb list whatever you do. They are a great bunch, helpful
and knowledgeable.
Good luck
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Questions? |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I think it is important to differentiate between the Long Wing Challenger and the
Clipped Wing version. The Long Wing is much less responsive in roll than the
clipped wing and with the enclosed canopy installed can be difficult to manage
in windy situations, even with the horizontal stabilizer mods. For a given
amount of power, the Challenger is faster than a MkIIIC (never flown an Xtra so
I can't comment from personal experience). This is largely due to the engine
being hidden somewhat behind the fuselage substantially reducing drag compared
to Kolbs mostly above wing engine mounting. The Clipped wing Challenger is faster
than the Long Wing and much more pleasant to fly. I've instructed in both
a Challenger and MkIIIC and for instruction, I prefer the MkIII.
For solo flight or with a passenger, I prefer the tandem seating configuration,
except for long x-country flights. If you are interested in the tandem seating,
I consider a Clipped Wing Challenger to be viable but Kolb's Firestar II, Slingshot,
and Kolbra are better all around airplanes. Of these tandem seat Kolbs,
the Kolbra is the only one with dual controls.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Questions? |
| From: | Gerry Visel <gcvisel(at)gmail.com> |
Does anybody on the list here with a Mark III live around northern
Illinois? It sure would be nice to see one up close before investing...
Are there any support/dealers in the area?
Thanks,
Gerry Visel
Winnebago, near Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie Questions? |
| From: | Martin Koxxy <martinkoxxy(at)gmail.com> |
As an alternative to the Challenger, you might also consider the Excalibur
- reportedly the better flying plane. I looked at a kit under construction
and liked it: adequate room in both seats, dual controls, amazing STOL
performance, but the big wing is not that easy to take off, and there is
virtually no baggage space.
For me, the question is how to store the plane between flights. Here in the
NW, we don't have to worry too much about frost and snow, but it does rain
a lot. If you have a hangar, a plane like the Challenger or Excalibur (tube
& fabric wing) makes sense. If you want to store in a partial hangar or a
trailer, the Kolbs can't be beat, with their easy and fast wing folding. If
you need to tie down in the elements, an all-metal wing is better. I am in
that last group: I am working with Mark Beierle of Earthstar Aircraft to
design me a tandem version of his eGull 2000 (electric propulsion), and I
have flown his staggered-seat side-by-side Odyssey with him (HKS). All
Mark's designs use a single-piece cantilevered (no struts) all-aluminum
wing, similar to the Titan Tornado. If that does not work out, the Kolbra
is my plan B.
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> I think it is important to differentiate between the Long Wing Challenger
> and the Clipped Wing version. The Long Wing is much less responsive in roll
> than the clipped wing and with the enclosed canopy installed can be
> difficult to manage in windy situations, even with the horizontal
> stabilizer mods. For a given amount of power, the Challenger is faster than
> a MkIIIC (never flown an Xtra so I can't comment from personal experience).
> This is largely due to the engine being hidden somewhat behind the fuselage
> substantially reducing drag compared to Kolbs mostly above wing engine
> mounting. The Clipped wing Challenger is faster than the Long Wing and much
> more pleasant to fly. I've instructed in both a Challenger and MkIIIC and
> for instruction, I prefer the MkIII.
>
> For solo flight or with a passenger, I prefer the tandem seating
> configuration, except for long x-country flights. If you are interested in
> the tandem seating, I consider a Clipped Wing Challenger to be viable but
> Kolb's Firestar II, Slingshot, and Kolbra are better all around airplanes.
> Of these tandem seat Kolbs, the Kolbra is the only one with dual controls.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
>
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
>
> Diamond Katana DA20-A1
> Rotax 912 F3
>
> Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
> - Anonymous
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386267#386267
>
>
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| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Kolb Homecoming |
All,
I'm trying to find a MK III Xtra to compare to the Classic. Is anyone who owns
a MK III Xtra going to Kolb's homecoming on 16th and 17th of November? Apparently
Kolb doesn't have a Xtra for Demo. It seems that every time they build one
it gets sold.
Is there any difference in cabin width or length between the Classic and the Xtra?According
to the Kolb website the Xtra is a couple feet longer but that could
be a longer tail boom.
Has anyone flow both, the Xtra and Classic?
Thanks in advance,
Brad
________________________________________________________________________________
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/31/12 |
Hello Brad. I flew in Richard Pike's Classic with him. There was room for us
both though a little tight in the shoulders and leg room. I am building an Xtra.
There is a little more width in the cabin and definitely more length in
the cabin for long legs. I am 250lbs and 6'3" tall. I like the Classics doors
better but the Xtra's seem to work well. The newest version of the Xtra
for a while had flaps and ailerons but I heard they were going back to the flaperons,
which is what I have.
I am using a Great Plains Aviation VW conversion 2180 cc with re-drive built by
Steve Bennett and with a wood prop on mine. This will give me 100hp for take-off
and 65-70hp for cruise.
I plan to get up to the fly-in this month but the plane will not be flying by then.
I am sure Richard and I will be glad to take some measurements for you if you like.
Bob Green
Building N830PB
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: Kolb Homecoming
All,
I'm trying to find a MK III Xtra to compare to the Classic. Is anyone who owns
a MK III Xtra going to Kolb's homecoming on 16th and 17th of November? Apparently
Kolb doesn't have a Xtra for Demo. It seems that every time they build one
it gets sold.
Is there any difference in cabin width or length between the Classic and the Xtra?According
to the Kolb website the Xtra is a couple feet longer but that could
be a longer tail boom.
Has anyone flow both, the Xtra and Classic?
Thanks in advance,
Brad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gerry Visel <gcvisel(at)gmail.com> |
>
> From: Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: Kolb Homecoming
>
> All,
> I'm trying to find a MK III Xtra to compare to the Classic. Is anyone who
> owns a MK III Xtra going to Kolb's homecoming on 16th and 17th of November?
Where do I find info on this get-together? Where is it happening?
Thanx,
Gerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Where do I find info on this get-together? Where is it happening?
Thanx,
Gerry
Gerry/Gang:
The 2012 Kolb Homecoming will be held:
Friday through Sunday, 16-18 November, weather permitting.
We'll keep a close eye on the weather. If it looks like "out of towners" will
not be able to fly in and return home, a weather decision will be made as early
as possible by Kolb Aircraft.
This is a pay as you go flyin for food, unlike previous Kolb Homecomings where
everything was provided free of charge. We felt the Kolb Family would be more
than happy to pay our own way to enable Kolb Aircraft to host another Kolb Homecoming.
Camping, of course, is free, as is attendance.
Look forward to seeing all you Kolbers in a couple weeks. I plan on departing
Gantt International Airport either Thu or Fri, depending on which day has the
best wind and weather, and if I am ready to go by then. I haven't seen my airplane
in more than 3 months. Hope it is still in the hanger.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Kolb Homecoming |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
The Xtra is wider so you can put your legs straight out. In the classic you have
to kick your legs inward slightly. I have a bad disc and that was uncomfortable
for me. That's why I changed to the Xtra. The Xtra is also supposed to
have a slightly higher cruse speed.
Rex
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/31/12 |
| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
Bob,
Thanks for the information, which leads to more questions.
What is the difference between the Classic and Xtra doors.
Why did you choose the VW engine and what other engines were you considering?
Hope to see you at the homecoming.
Brad
On Nov 1, 2012, at 7:36 , Bob Green wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Brad. I flew in Richard Pike's Classic with him. There was room for us
both though a little tight in the shoulders and leg room. I am building an
Xtra. There is a little more width in the cabin and definitely more length
in the cabin for long legs. I am 250lbs and 6'3" tall. I like the Classics
doors better but the Xtra's seem to work well. The newest version of the Xtra
for a while had flaps and ailerons but I heard they were going back to the
flaperons, which is what I have.
> I am using a Great Plains Aviation VW conversion 2180 cc with re-drive built
by Steve Bennett and with a wood prop on mine. This will give me 100hp for take-off
and 65-70hp for cruise.
> I plan to get up to the fly-in this month but the plane will not be flying by
then.
> I am sure Richard and I will be glad to take some measurements for you if you
like.
> Bob Green
> Building N830PB
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: Kolb Homecoming
>
>
> All,
> I'm trying to find a MK III Xtra to compare to the Classic. Is anyone who owns
a MK III Xtra going to Kolb's homecoming on 16th and 17th of November? Apparently
Kolb doesn't have a Xtra for Demo. It seems that every time they build
one it gets sold.
> Is there any difference in cabin width or length between the Classic and the
Xtra?According to the Kolb website the Xtra is a couple feet longer but that could
be a longer tail boom.
> Has anyone flow both, the Xtra and Classic?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Brad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Homecoming |
In a message dated 11/1/2012 9:55:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gcvisel(at)gmail.com writes:
Where do I find info on this get-together? Where is it happening?
Gerry,
It will be held at the Kolb Aircraft Company, 8375 Russell Dyche Hwy.,
London, KY 40741-9264
Contact: Travis Brown 606-862-9622
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/31/12 |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Brad
You can save over $10,000 by putting a VW on a Kolb over the cost of a
Rotax 912. It is more work, there has to be some reduced reliability, it
gets hot quickly on the ground, and it weighs more. My redrive VW has
been extremely reliable, easy to work on and when it comes time to rebuild
the engine it can be done for less than a gasket set of a Rotax. My redrive
VW powered MKIIIC weighs 598lbs but worked at keeping it light.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW powered Kolb MKIIIC
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Brad Nation wrote:
>
> Bob,
> Thanks for the information, which leads to more questions.
> What is the difference between the Classic and Xtra doors.
> Why did you choose the VW engine and what other engines were you
> considering?
> Hope to see you at the homecoming.
>
> Brad
>
> On Nov 1, 2012, at 7:36 , Bob Green wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Brad. I flew in Richard Pike's Classic with him. There was room
> for us both though a little tight in the shoulders and leg room. I am
> building an Xtra. There is a little more width in the cabin and
> definitely more length in the cabin for long legs. I am 250lbs and 6'3"
> tall. I like the Classics doors better but the Xtra's seem to work well.
> The newest version of the Xtra for a while had flaps and ailerons but I
> heard they were going back to the flaperons, which is what I have.
> > I am using a Great Plains Aviation VW conversion 2180 cc with re-drive
> built by Steve Bennett and with a wood prop on mine. This will give me
> 100hp for take-off and 65-70hp for cruise.
> > I plan to get up to the fly-in this month but the plane will not be
> flying by then.
> > I am sure Richard and I will be glad to take some measurements for you
> if you like.
> > Bob Green
> > Building N830PB
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: Kolb Homecoming
> >
> >
> > All,
> > I'm trying to find a MK III Xtra to compare to the Classic. Is anyone
> who owns a MK III Xtra going to Kolb's homecoming on 16th and 17th of
> November? Apparently Kolb doesn't have a Xtra for Demo. It seems that
> every time they build one it gets sold.
> > Is there any difference in cabin width or length between the Classic and
> the Xtra?According to the Kolb website the Xtra is a couple feet longer but
> that could be a longer tail boom.
> > Has anyone flow both, the Xtra and Classic?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FireFly Analysis |
| From: | JC Gilpin <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com> |
Gday All,
I've just added an analysis of the flying and landing characteristics that
I found with my FireFly.
See http://jgwalkaboutusa.blogspot.com/
JG
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/31/12 |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Went out tonight and did some measurements, my MKIII Classic is about 34" across
the hips, and 42" across the shoulders. The foot pedal bar is movable with a
little work, and when I took Bob for a ride, it was in the middle position, since
I am shorter than he is, and I am not long-legged for my height. There is
4" total adjustment ability on the MKIII Classic rudder pedal mechanism.
Currently I actually have the pedals back another 2", since I have been taking
my 5' tall 10 year old niece flying, hoping for her to learn the basics of stick
and ruddering in the MKIII. So far it is not going real well... but it is
consistently entertaining. Or at least to me - For her to reach the pedals, we
had to make a special booster foam seat back to get her close enough.
The Classic and Xtra doors hinge different. The Classic doors hinge from the tube
that goes along the edge of the windscreen via piano hinges, the Xtra doors
hinge from welded pivots near the front of the doors. So the Classic door swings
up and over, the Xtra door swings out.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/02/12 |
Thanks Richard and Rick. I sent the Xtra measurements to Brad. The Xtra is 43"
at the hips and 55" from the gear leg to nose cone attach point. I appreciate
the input and am sure Brad does too. I sure did enjoy the ride Richard. How
the years get away from us. See you at Kolb?
Have a great weekend.
Bob
MKIIIX with GPAS VW conversion with re-drive.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/02/12 |
| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
Richard, Rick, an Bob,
Thanks for nicking out to your airplanes and gathering the data. The information
it has been most helpful! Hopefully we will meet at the homecoming in a couple
weeks.
Sent from my iPad
Brad
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Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Please Make A Contribution Today!
At 02:14 AM 11/5/2012, Matt Dralle wrote:
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| Subject: | work inside home? |
| From: | "GeoB" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I have been working on relocating to a cooler climate, less urban, etc. I will
either buy a place with a nice large-ish workshop or I will build one. I need
to recover my Firestar and have been waiting for the workshop, but it looks like
it won't happen till next summer.
While I have some people staying in my home (I am a widower) I noticed that the
formal 'parlor' gets almost zero use. I have a large living room that is used
a lot, and a sort of rumpus room the kids play in. I am thinking of moving the
nice furniture out or stacking it and recovering my wings in there. I will be
using the Stewart's System so there shouldn't be too much odor in the house.
That sound right to you? I can block off the traffic, and seal the room off with
plastic if necessary. Double-door access and plenty of space.
Any thoughts on this? I am emptying my garage but I would need to insulate it and
heat it to work in there.
--------
GeoB
"Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers,
so we could identify their corporate sponsors"
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: work inside home? |
I am thinking of moving the nice furniture out or stacking it and recovering
my wings in there. >
No prob. I had a mate who did a lot of work on an Auster including
recovering the wings.
Of course the wings stuck into the garden and he couldn`t close the patio
doors all winter. The engine was on the dining room table.
His wife divorced him and the kids went to boarding school.
Apart from that it was quite straightforward.
Good luck
Pat
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| From: | GARY JINDRA <gajindra(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: work inside home? |
Stewarts is a great product! I used it totaly on my Mark 3 c. My wife and I
did =0Aall covering and uv painting in the house during winter months.We a
lso have =0Adouble doors on the house so we were able to carry the plane in
or out.Their =0Aglues are nontoxic and there is no need to even turn off t
he furnace.It is a =0Agreat way to keep working during the cold months.Easy
to use,highly =0Arecomend.Received airworthyness a year ago this month.=0A
-=0AGary Jindra=0AMark 3 c=0A107 hours=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________
____________=0AFrom: GeoB <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.c
om=0ASent: Wed, November 7, 2012 3:56:14 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: work insi
=0A=0AI have been working on relocating to a cooler climate, less urban, et
c. I will =0Aeither buy a place with a nice large-ish workshop or I will bu
ild one. I need to =0Arecover my Firestar and have been waiting for the wor
kshop, but it looks like it =0Awon't happen till next summer.=0AWhile I hav
e some people staying in my home (I am a widower) I noticed that the =0Afor
mal 'parlor' gets almost zero use. I have a large living room that is used
a =0Alot, and a sort of rumpus room the kids play in. I am thinking of movi
ng the =0Anice furniture out or stacking it and recovering my wings in ther
e. I will be =0Ausing the Stewart's System so there shouldn't be too much o
dor in the house. =0AThat sound right to you? I can block off the traffic,
and seal the room off with =0Aplastic if necessary. Double-door access and
plenty of space.=0A=0AAny thoughts on this? I am emptying my garage but I w
ould need to insulate it =0Aand heat it to work in there.=0A=0A--------=0AG
eoB=0A=0A"Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms lik
e NASCAR =0Adrivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors"=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v
=========
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| From: | William Long <blong6826(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I have a 447 on a firefly with 220 hours my idle has gotten so bad that I won't
fly it now?
It will run past 3000 RPM fine. I checked the idle jet and rebuilt the pump.
It will run good if i keep pushing in the primer so its a fuel problems?
HELP
Bill Long
2000 FireFly
Holt MI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
if the fuel through the idle jet is ok... next thing I would check is
for a vacuum leak through a seal, gasket, carb adapter, pulse line. etc.
any changes in the air cleaners? are the plugs the same color they
use to be after a hard run? if they are a lighter color, it may be
telling you it is running a bit leaner. what happens when you pull the
enrichener?
boyd young
most of this is the easy stuff to check..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: William Long
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:42 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Idle problem?
I have a 447 on a firefly with 220 hours my idle has gotten so bad that
I won't fly it now?
It will run past 3000 RPM fine. I checked the idle jet and rebuilt the
pump.
It will run good if i keep pushing in the primer so its a fuel problems?
HELP
Bill Long
2000 FireFly
Holt MI
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| Subject: | BMW R100 engine for sale on Barnstormers.com |
| From: | "timwarlick" <tim.warlick(at)cox.net> |
I sold my Kolb Mark 3 Classic but the buyer did not want the BMW engine (he wanted
more bhp). Check out my ad on Barnstormers.com by searching BMW. Asking $3500.
65 BHP. Runs great.
--------
Tim
BMW powered Kolb Mk 3 Classic
Tucson, AZ
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| From: | "Lee" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net> |
Hi everyone,
I have a Twinstar MK II and I am wondering if anyone has ever tried adapting
fiberglass gear legs to this.
I have only put about 15 hours on it so far and I noticed that one of the
gear legs is starting to bend already.
I fly from a bumpy strip on a farm that is not mine and the owner doesn't
want me to do much to smooth it out so I have to use it the way it is.
I also own a CGS Hawk Classic with fiberglass landing gear that has no
problem flying from this field.
thanks for any responses,
Lee..
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Twinstar Gear |
| From: | Gerry Visel <gcvisel(at)gmail.com> |
Tundra Tires?
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Lee wrote:
> Hi everyone,****
>
> I have a Twinstar MK II and I am wondering if anyone has ever tried
> adapting fiberglass gear legs to this.****
>
> I have only put about 15 hours on it so far and I noticed that one of the
> gear legs is starting to bend already.****
>
> I fly from a bumpy strip on a farm that is not mine and the owner doesn't
> want me to do much to smooth it out so I have to use it the way it is.****
>
> I also own a CGS Hawk Classic with fiberglass landing gear that has no
> problem flying from this field.****
>
> thanks for any responses,****
>
> Lee..
>
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Has anyone tried Oratex fabric? |
Hello GeoB and all,
Has anyone tried Oratex Fabric yet? There is a J-3 Cub here a Palmer that
was recovered with Oratex a year ago and looks good. Water based system and
pre colored fabric saved time and weight. You might check in to if you're
doing a plane in your house. I hope to use it next spring.
Enjoy,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
607AK
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| Subject: | Re: Idle problem? |
| From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
I think you are on the right track with the idle jet. I'm sure you know what you
are doing but just to level set check the attached picture to make sure you
are looking at the #4 idle jet. This jet has a tiny, tiny orifice and that is
probably blocked. I'm surprised they don't get blocked all the time they are
so small. Check that jet again and report back. [Wink]
Scott Olendorf
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Has anyone tried Oratex fabric? |
At 02:04 PM 11/8/2012, you wrote:
>Has anyone tried Oratex Fabric yet? There is a J-3 Cub here a Palmer that
>was recovered with Oratex a year ago and looks good. Water based system
>and pre colored fabric saved time and weight. You might check in to if you
>re doing a plane in your house. I hope to use it next spring.
There was some discussion of Oratex on the http://homebuiltairplanes.com
forums. A bit pricey, and people looking for a very shiny finish don't
like it. OTOH the ease of application is appealing... I've been
considering it for a new ultralight I'm designing.
-Dana
--
A tree: first you chop it down, then you chop it up.
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar Gear |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
When I owned a Titan Tornado I operated from a paved but very poor condition runway
with pot holes and regularly landed on any grass airfield in the area. It
had fiberglass gear legs and it handled the rough stuff with no problem at all.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Idle problem? |
Bill Long & Others:
I have had trouble similar to what you are experiencing. After cleaning
the carburetor several times with no improvement, I replaced the idle jet
and that corrected the trouble. The reason I chose to replace the idle jet
was because it had become discolored and I thought perhaps that was a build
up of some contamination, thus causing a lack of fuel flow through it. I
use regular grade auto fuel and it contains up to 10% ethanol. I also
started using StarTron, an additive advertised to help eliminate problems with
ethanol laced fuel. Stabil also makes a product to fight ethanol. Hope
this is of some help to you.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 11/7/2012 7:42:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
blong6826(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
I have a 447 on a firefly with 220 hours my idle has gotten so bad that I
won't fly it now?
It will run past 3000 RPM fine. I checked the idle jet and rebuilt the
pump.
It will run good if i keep pushing in the primer so its a fuel problems?
HELP
Bill Long
2000 FireFly
Holt MI
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| Subject: | Mark III Classic Weight & Balance Calcs |
| From: | Gerry Visel <gcvisel(at)gmail.com> |
Can anyone tell me what the moment arms for the pilot(s) and for the
fuel in a Mark III Classic are? I'm considering buying one and wanted
to run some numbers. What is the allowable CG range? Max gross?
Thanx muchly!
Gerry Visel
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| From: | <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Idle problem? |
The other good thing to check is the O ring on the idle jet needle. If this
has perished and has cracks in it it will give you a lean condition in the
idle range .
Tony
Downunder
MK111c
going well. Just coming into spring . Great flying weather
-----Original Message-----
From: olendorf
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 9:18 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Idle problem?
I think you are on the right track with the idle jet. I'm sure you know
what you are doing but just to level set check the attached picture to make
sure you are looking at the #4 idle jet. This jet has a tiny, tiny orifice
and that is probably blocked. I'm surprised they don't get blocked all the
time they are so small. Check that jet again and report back. [Wink]
Scott Olendorf
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
guess it depends on the weight of the pilot.... mine worked out about
=934 inches..... kolb=99s belly button method worked
within 1/4 inch of what I calculated, I did the cg with the plane
empty, then did it with me in it, and did the math to find the cg of
me...then measured from the leading edge to the belly button... and the
measurment and calculations were really close. as for the cg of the
fuel tanks..... I have the 16 gal alum tank offered by the original
kolb company. the cg of that tank is 21 to 21 1/2 inches I would
have to go out to the plane and look at the w&b sheets , which worked
out to be very near the rear cg limit of 35% so with me solo. I start
at the rear cg and as I burn off fuel the cg does not move... if I have
a passenger I am at a point forward of the rear limit. and as I burn off
fuel, the cg moves forward. if you have the 2 plastic tanks, I
don=99t know where you will come in,, but my best guess is it
will be somewhat close,,,,, weigh the plane and do the math. it is
probably something you wont want to guess with or use someone
else=99s numbers. I put together a spread sheet to do the math...
but you still have to get accurate weights and measurements for the
spread sheet to work for you. when making the measurements, make sure
the plane is in the correct attitude. or you just did a lot of work for
nothing. my blue prints show the cg range from 25 to 35 percent of the
wing cord.
boyd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Can anyone tell me what the moment arms for the pilot(s) and for the
fuel in a Mark III Classic are? I'm considering buying one and wanted
to run some numbers. What is the allowable CG range? Max gross?
Thanx muchly!
Gerry Visel
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| Subject: | Re: Idle problem? |
| From: | Roy Spangler <roy.spangler(at)kirtland.edu> |
Bill,
Your idle problem may not be a carb issue. If you have a points
ignition, I would look there. I have a 377 that had the exact same
problem that you have described, ultimately I convereted to CDI
and the problem dissapeared. Just a suggestion. Points on a
Rotax are very sensitive. With the air cleaner off does it spit fuel
back ? For what it's worth.
roy
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM, William Long wrote:
> I have a 447 on a firefly with 220 hours my idle has gotten so bad that I
> won't fly it now?
> It will run past 3000 RPM fine. I checked the idle jet and rebuilt the
> pump.
> It will run good if i keep pushing in the primer so its a fuel problems?
> HELP
>
> Bill Long
> 2000 FireFly
> Holt MI
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Tests of fuel additives |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
On the Yahoo! HKS forum this test of fuel additives was posted this
morning. I thought it would prove valuable. I know the Sea Foam acolytes
will like it.
http://www.biobor.com/Practical-Sailor-Fuel-Additives-That-Fight-Corrosion.php
You'll have to cut and paste the link, it didn't come across as clickable
for some reason.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Weight & Balance Calcs |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Earlier this year I did flight testing of a Mk IIIX to get performance
numbers at weights up to 1200 lb. MTOW. While the plane will fly at that
weight, it must be flown very carefully. I set the max weight for the plane
at 1100 lb. when I did the log book entry. At that weight it flew quite
well. For my own Mk IIIC I used 1050 lb as MTOW.
I've attached the Excel spread sheet I use for my IIIC.
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Gerry Visel wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what the moment arms for the pilot(s) and for the
> fuel in a Mark III Classic are? I'm considering buying one and wanted
> to run some numbers. What is the allowable CG range? Max gross?
>
> Thanx muchly!
> Gerry Visel
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Idle problem? |
| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
You may also have an air leak, either at a gasket in the intake system or t
he rubber carb socket which does crack internally .If the exhaust gas temp
s are running higher than normal( for the ambient air temps ) at cruise rpm
, it may be an indicator of an air leak.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Spangler <roy.spangler(at)kirtland.edu>
Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:33 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Idle problem?
Bill,
Your idle problem may not be a carb issue. If you have a points
ignition, I would look there. I have a 377 that had the exact same
problem that you have described, ultimately I convereted to CDI
and the problem dissapeared. Just a suggestion. Points on a
Rotax are very sensitive. With the air cleaner off does it spit fuel
back ? For what it's worth.
roy
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM, William Long wrot
e:
I have a 447 on a firefly with 220 hours my idle has gotten so bad that I w
on't fly it now?
It will run past 3000 RPM fine. I checked the idle jet and rebuilt the pump
.
It will run good if i keep pushing in the primer so its a fuel problems?
HELP
Bill Long
2000 FireFly
Holt MI
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Idle Problem? |
- I had a similar problem with my 447, and John H. suggested I check the
seal on the bottom of the enrichener.- Mine had totally disintegrated.-
Replacement was very cheap.- The part does not come through in a carb ki
t- it has to be ordered separately.- Easy to pull out and check visually.
-------------------------
------------- Bill Sullivan
-------------------------
------------- Windsor Locks, Ct.
-------------------------
------------- Original FS, 447
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| From: | William Long <blong6826(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Idle problem? |
Looks like it was the idle jet I took it out again and blew through it real hard
and its better so im going to soak it in carb cleaner tonight.
Bill Long
________________________________
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, November 9, 2012 10:51:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Idle problem?
In addition to the idle jet be sure to clean the passages in the carb body. When
my 582 was laid up for more than a year that was the problem area that prevented
it from idling properly. Once they were cleared out the engine idled just fine.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:10 PM, wrote:
>Bill Long & Others:
>
>I have had trouble similar to what you are experiencing. After cleaning the
>carburetor several times with no improvement, I replaced the idle jet and that
>corrected the trouble. The reason I chose to replace the idle jet was because
>it had become discolored and I thought perhaps that was a build up of some
>contamination, thus causing a lack of fuel flow through it. I use regular
>grade auto fuel and it contains up to 10% ethanol. I also started using
>StarTron, an additive advertised to help eliminate problems with ethanol laced
>fuel. Stabil also makes a product to fight ethanol. Hope this is of some help
>to you.
>
>Bill Varnes
>Original Kolb FireStar
>Audubon NJ
>Do Not Archive
>
>In a message dated 11/7/2012 7:42:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>blong6826(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
>I have a 447 on a firefly with 220 hours my idle has gotten so bad that I
>won't fly it now?
>>It will run past 3000 RPM fine. I checked the idle jet and rebuilt the
pump.
>>It will run good if i keep pushing in the primer so its a fuel problems?
>>HELP
>>
>>
>>Bill Long
>>2000 FireFly
>>Holt MI
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Thanks, Homer GBYM
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- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Weight & Balance Calcs |
| From: | Gerry Visel <gcvisel(at)gmail.com> |
Richard,
When you were flight testing, how did you know where to set the
limits, for both CG and for weight? (What flight characteristics were
noticed?)
For max weight especially, why would you exceed the designer's
recommendation? Have you done anything to the design to make it
stronger than original? I would sure hope that the designer had done
some stress calcs at the max rated g-loading, (or is that just the
engineer in me coming out?)
Gerry Visel
> Earlier this year I did flight testing of a Mk IIIX to get performance
> numbers at weights up to 1200 lb. MTOW. While the plane will fly at
> that weight, it must be flown very carefully. I set the max weight for
> the plane at 1100 lb. when I did the log book entry. At that weight it
> flew quite well. For my own Mk IIIC I used 1050 lb as MTOW.
> I've attached the Excel spread sheet I use for my IIIC.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Weight & Balance Calcs |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Gerry, The owner wanted the MTOW raised so he could take flight training in
his airplane. The airplane is rated for 4 g's at 1000 lb. Raising it to
1100 makes it 3.8 and they've been flown heavier than that, just ask Hauck.
I used the same fore and aft limits as a Cessna 172 (and just about every
straight winged aircraft ever built) and then flew the aircraft at both
limits to see that I had enough elevator power to raise the nose at the
forward limit and it did nothing funny when stalled at the aft limit.
Rick
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Gerry Visel wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> When you were flight testing, how did you know where to set the
> limits, for both CG and for weight? (What flight characteristics were
> noticed?)
>
> For max weight especially, why would you exceed the designer's
> recommendation? Have you done anything to the design to make it
> stronger than original? I would sure hope that the designer had done
> some stress calcs at the max rated g-loading, (or is that just the
> engineer in me coming out?)
>
> Gerry Visel
>
> > Earlier this year I did flight testing of a Mk IIIX to get performance
> > numbers at weights up to 1200 lb. MTOW. While the plane will fly at
> > that weight, it must be flown very carefully. I set the max weight for
> > the plane at 1100 lb. when I did the log book entry. At that weight it
> > flew quite well. For my own Mk IIIC I used 1050 lb as MTOW.
> > I've attached the Excel spread sheet I use for my IIIC.
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| From: | "Carl Radcliffe" <crad238(at)suddenlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Weight & Balance Calcs |
Oh, JUST a colonoscopy.
From: Richard Girard
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III Classic Weight & Balance Calcs
Gerry, The owner wanted the MTOW raised so he could take flight training
in his airplane. The airplane is rated for 4 g's at 1000 lb. Raising it
to 1100 makes it 3.8 and they've been flown heavier than that, just ask
Hauck.
I used the same fore and aft limits as a Cessna 172 (and just about
every straight winged aircraft ever built) and then flew the aircraft at
both limits to see that I had enough elevator power to raise the nose at
the forward limit and it did nothing funny when stalled at the aft
limit.
Rick
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Gerry Visel wrote:
Richard,
When you were flight testing, how did you know where to set the
limits, for both CG and for weight? (What flight characteristics were
noticed?)
For max weight especially, why would you exceed the designer's
recommendation? Have you done anything to the design to make it
stronger than original? I would sure hope that the designer had done
some stress calcs at the max rated g-loading, (or is that just the
engineer in me coming out?)
Gerry Visel
> Earlier this year I did flight testing of a Mk IIIX to get
performance
> numbers at weights up to 1200 lb. MTOW. While the plane will fly at
> that weight, it must be flown very carefully. I set the max weight
for
> the plane at 1100 lb. when I did the log book entry. At that weight
it
> flew quite well. For my own Mk IIIC I used 1050 lb as MTOW.
> I've attached the Excel spread sheet I use for my IIIC.
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic Weight & Balance Calcs |
| From: | Gerry Visel <gcvisel(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, that's the right answer(s.) I was worried that someone might do
that without thinking through the effects and risks of a higher max
weight or "out of limits" CG.
I went through all this in college as an aero engineer, but have done
hardly any aero work my whole career, (mostly mechanical/hydraulic
stuff.) Now that I am near retirement and getting back into flying, I
finally get to use some of that practical stuff! (It's a whole lot more
fun when it's real!)
Gerry
> Gerry, The owner wanted the MTOW raised so he could take flight
> training in his airplane. The airplane is rated for 4 g's at 1000 lb.
> Raising it to 1100 makes it 3.8 and they've been flown heavier than
> that, just ask Hauck.
> I used the same fore and aft limits as a Cessna 172 (and just about
> every straight winged aircraft ever built) and then flew the aircraft
> at both limits to see that I had enough elevator power to raise the
> nose at the forward limit and it did nothing funny when stalled at the
> aft limit.
>
>
> Rick
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Gerry Visel wrote:
>
>
>
> Richard,
>
> When you were flight testing, how did you know where to set
> the
> limits, for both CG and for weight? (What flight
> characteristics were
> noticed?)
>
> For max weight especially, why would you exceed the
> designer's
> recommendation? Have you done anything to the design to make
> it
> stronger than original? I would sure hope that the designer
> had done
> some stress calcs at the max rated g-loading, (or is that just
> the
> engineer in me coming out?)
>
> Gerry Visel
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| Subject: | California to Homecoming |
| From: | JC Gilpin <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com> |
Gday,
During this coming week I'll be trailering my FireFly from California to
the Kolb Homecoming Nov 16-18.
The aircraft and trailer combo is for sale, so if anyone along the way is
interested I can stop to visit.
Looking forward to meeting everyone there.
See ya.
JG
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | California to Homecoming |
During this coming week I'll be trailering my FireFly from California to the
Kolb Homecoming Nov 16-18.
The aircraft and trailer combo is for sale, so if anyone along the way is
interested I can stop to visit.
Looking forward to meeting everyone there.
See ya.
JG
JG/Kolbers:
That's great news. Looking forward to seeing you again. Was lucky enough
to spend time with John G at the Rock House last June.
Be worth anyone's time to come and visit with JG. He is a wealth of info on
flying light planes in Australia as well as the US.
I'll be arriving at the Homecoming on Thursday, after it warms up a bit,
with my buddy James Tripp. James built and flies a MKIIIc, a clone of Miss
P'fer, my MKIII. James's MKIIIc is powered with the 912ULS that powered my
friend John Williamson's Kolbra.
Hopefully, the weather will cooperate with us. If not, guess I'll have to
put on more clothes to stay warm.
My MKIII is ready to go. The last thing to do after an oil and filter
change was give her a bath to wash the barn dust, bug and bird crap off
after sitting in the hanger for three months. The top of the wings are dust
magnets. Got that done yesterday. Now it is time to fly to Wetumpka
Airport to my Chap 822 EAA meeting this afternoon. If I hurry I'll be there
in time for grilled hamburgers and hot dogs.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: California to Homecoming |
You have an excellent price on the bird and trailer combo...cannot
believe that it hasn't sold...Herb
At 11:46 AM 11/10/2012, you wrote:
>Gday,
>
>During this coming week I'll be trailering my FireFly from
>California to the Kolb Homecoming Nov 16-18.
>The aircraft and trailer combo is for sale, so if anyone along the
>way is interested I can stop to visit.
>Looking forward to meeting everyone there.
>See ya.
>
>JG
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Homecoming |
| From: | "sjwilliams" <mashara60(at)hotmail.com> |
Is the Homecoming for Kolb Pilots only, or can Kolb Wanna-bes attend?
Seems like a great way to check out the full range of Kolbs.
-Steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387685#387685
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| From: | Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Homecoming |
it has always been, "the more the merrier"...everyone is
welcome... I think we are on our own for all but the rest room? Herb
At 08:59 AM 11/12/2012, you wrote:
>
>Is the Homecoming for Kolb Pilots only, or can Kolb Wanna-bes attend?
>
>Seems like a great way to check out the full range of Kolbs.
>
>-Steve
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387685#387685
>
>
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
Morning Kolbers,
I dodged the bullet again, well, almost. I got grazed.
I keep my FlagFly hangared in a converted construction office trailer.
Unfortunately, the airstrip is on the top of a hill with pretty nasty
winds. When Sandy roared through she flipped my trailer 11/4
revolutions. The trailer is destroyed but amazingly the FlagFly
sustained minimal damage. Both the owner of the airstrip and I are
about done with trying to keep a trailer upright so it looks like we're
going to put the FF in the end of the hangar. It'll cost more (less in
the long run, I suppose), but it will take less time to set up, not
having to untie and set up ramps, etc.
The damage to the aircraft is a bend in the trailing edge of the left
elevator, a bend from the prop to the trailing edge of the left wing,
loosened aileron anti-flutter weights and one 1' and about 7 small tears
in the fabric. I'm a landscaper and an 18 wheeler jockey and don't feel
qualified to perform the repairs properly, so I'm looking for a builder
I can hire to repair the wings and elevator. I can load the parts on my
pickup and take them to the repair point so they won't have to travel.
If you are interested in the job or know of anyone who may be, please
contact me. I'll attach (if I'm successful) a few shots of the damaged
parts, and a couple of the trailer, which should leave you dumbfounded,
as it did me, that the FlagFly came through so well. When you open the
last two photos it may be difficult to tell where the actual wrinkles
are and what's been painted by Don G., but If you look for a few
moments you can make sense of it. Oh, and take a look at the wind sock...
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
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Dave...get the Flagfly stretched out and send me some detailed photos of all the
damaged areas..lots of them.
--------
Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387729#387729
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
You bet I will, Don!! If you go to the list you can see basic views, but I'll
go up to the strip tomorrow afternoon and take more.
dK
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 12, 2012, at 9:23 PM, "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net> wrote:
>
> Dave...get the Flagfly stretched out and send me some detailed photos of all
the damaged areas..lots of them.
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387729#387729
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Sad to hear about your damage, but very pleased that she is repairable.
Beauford
I echo Beauford's sentiments.
Never gave a storm a chance to damage any of my three Kolbs. Didn't have
to. I was able to total all three of them all by myself. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 08:49 PM 11/12/2012, you wrote:
>Morning Kolbers,
>
>I dodged the bullet again, well, almost. I got grazed...
Yikes! With the trailer in that shape it's hard to believe the plane
wasn't totaled!
I was lucky. My trailer is also at a hilltop airport (coastal CT) but I
was able to tuck it in between two hangars on the side sheltered from the
predicted winds, and tie it down at a couple of points. No trouble at all,
only damage at my airport was a couple of metal hangar roof panels ripped off.
-Dana
--
Q. What's the difference between Mechanical and Civil
Engineers?
A. Mechanical Engineers build weapons; Civil
Engineers build targets.
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| Subject: | Can't wait to turn the lights on! |
| From: | "twoplanekid" <hackery(at)ctcn.net> |
My lights on the Kolb are ready. I add more lights every year. They will be lit
the night after Thanksgiving.
I move the Kolb one mile from the airport hanger to the display area. It's easy
to push on the sidewalk without the wings attached.
https://vimeo.com/53297642
Have a happy Thanksgiving and a very merry Christmas!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387798#387798
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb Homecoming, 2012 |
Heading to Gantt International Airport to load the my MKIII and fly to
London, KY, with James Tripp and his identical MKIII.
About 4.5 hour flight.
Weather here is overcast and 49F. A little chilly, but we should fly into
clear air and sunshine as we proceed NE.
Looking forward to seeing old and new Kolbers at the Homecoming.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
Hi Dana,
The problem at Kessler Field is it's on a high point surrounded by
mostly farmland. Very few trees locally to create a windbreak. Ground
is too rocky to get any anchors in, but after it blew on its side last
time I bought a 4 X 4 X 10, fed it between the leaf springs and frame
and created an outrigger. I figured if it didn't get any momentum it
wouldn't roll again. Wrong! Snapped the 4 X k4! Gonna go in half a
hangar space now, which should end these calamities.
Mom used to tell me how hard she prayed for my safety, considering my
lifestyle. I believe she's still pestering God about it. Two weeks
prior to Sandy I was heading down to Quakertown for supper on my Beemer
with my 100# black Lab in a trailer when a big buck jumped in front of
me. I T-boned him at about 50 mph, when horizontal for almost 20', came
down on my left side and slid for over 100'. Nothing but some road rash
and 10,7K damage to the cycle. Trailer and Bubba stayed upright. So
it's been quite a month!
dK
On 11/13/2012 6:28 AM, Dana Hague wrote:
> At 08:49 PM 11/12/2012, you wrote:
>> Morning Kolbers,
>>
>> I dodged the bullet again, well, almost. I got grazed...
>
> Yikes! With the trailer in that shape it's hard to believe the plane
> wasn't totaled!
>
> I was lucky. My trailer is also at a hilltop airport (coastal CT) but
> I was able to tuck it in between two hangars on the side sheltered
> from the predicted winds, and tie it down at a couple of points. No
> trouble at all, only damage at my airport was a couple of metal hangar
> roof panels ripped off.
>
> -Dana
>
> --
> Q. What's the difference between Mechanical and Civil
> Engineers?
> A. Mechanical Engineers build weapons; Civil
> Engineers build targets.
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
Hope all your mishaps are over and you have a nice flight to the
homecoming, John. I'd like to be there, but I'm up to my eyeballs in
Sandy cleanup and repair. Maybe next year.
dK
On 11/12/2012 10:57 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
>
> Sad to hear about your damage, but very pleased that she is repairable.
> Beauford
>
>
>
> I echo Beauford's sentiments.
>
> Never gave a storm a chance to damage any of my three Kolbs. Didn't have
> to. I was able to total all three of them all by myself. ;-)
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Who is Matt Dralle & What Are The Lists? |
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| Subject: | Kolb MKII for sale |
| From: | Duane Ransdell <radiobluebook(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Everyone,
I'm selling my sweet little Kolb MKII. 150 hours total time engine and
airframe. Electric start. Fires right up even after sitting for a long
while. New tires. Conditional inspection done in August. You can see
pictures of it posted on barnstormers right now. Search for Kolb MKII. Mine
is yellow with red leading edge wings. I will sell to anyone on the Kolb
list for $7500.
Rotax 503 engine
Frequently Asked Questions
Will you deliver?
Possibly in return for expenses
How many gals per hour does it burn?
Depends on how hard you push it. I would say about 4 gallons per hour, but
haven't really checked.
What is the N number?
N6141D.
Does it smell like peanut butter?
No.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Kolb Homecoming 2012 |
| From: | JC Gilpin <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com> |
Gday All,
Well, I'm sure glad that circumstances led me all across the country to the
Kolb Homecoming 2012.
It's been a great gathering, and I really enjoyed meeting everyone here.
Even got to hear Travis play the banjo.
While here, Brian inspected my FireFly for Edy Linsay in Florida, and she
has agreed to buy it.
What a perfect place to make the deal, and for the little FireFly to see
it's birthplace and meet some of its kin.
It's been the excellent finale to this great USA Walkabout adventure.
Special memories forever.......
Cheers,
JG
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Homecoming 2012 |
Hi JG
I want to thank you very much for your report on the Kolb Homecoming 2012.
I've been reading about your travel adventures and I believe you are
about an equal to John h. Now how's that for a comparison? Sure wish I could
have met you. You are an inspiration.
Keep that Walkabout going, wherever it takes you.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 11/17/2012 5:17:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com writes:
It's been the excellent finale to this great USA Walkabout adventure.
Special memories forever.......
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | penetrating oils |
Hi All,
this from a mate in NZ. Thought it might be useful for someone.
Dont know if these products are available outside the Antipodes but it
might give you ideas.
Pat.
Machinist's Workshop MagT recently published some information on various
penetrating oils
Some of you might appreciate this. The magazine reports they tested
penetrates for break out torque on rusted nuts.
They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and professional
machinist. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates
with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a
"scientifically rusted" environment.
*Penetrating oils ........... Average torque load to loosen*
No Oil used ................... 516 pounds
WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds
PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...............127 pounds
Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
ATF*-Acetone mix............53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts
better than any commercial product in this one particular test.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: penetrating oils |
On 11/18/2012 04:01 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
> Hi All,
> this from a mate in NZ. Thought it might be useful for someone.
> Dont know if these products are available outside the Antipodes but it
> might give you ideas.
> Pat.
> Machinist's Workshop MagT recently published some information on
> various penetrating oils
>
> Some of you might appreciate this. The magazine reports they tested
> penetrates for break out torque on rusted nuts.
>
> They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and professional
> machinist. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular
> penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the
> nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> *Penetrating oils ........... Average torque load to loosen*
>
> No Oil used ................... 516 pounds
> WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds
> PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds
> Liquid Wrench ...............127 pounds
> Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
> ATF*-Acetone mix............53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts
> better than any commercial product in this one particular test.
>
>
I read about this several years ago, & used the mix on a 1950's era
Massey Ferguson tractor when I had to disassemble to replace the head. I
can testify; it works.
Charlie
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
ok how long do you have to let it soak to get this kind of results?
boyd young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No Oil used ................... 516 pounds
WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds
PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...............127 pounds
Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
ATF*-Acetone mix............53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts
better than any commercial product in this one particular test.
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| From: | Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: penetrating oil |
how about marvel mystery oil and acetone?? Herb
At 09:18 AM 11/19/2012, you wrote:
>ok how long do you have to let it soak to get this kind of results?
>
>boyd young
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>No Oil used ................... 516 pounds
>WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds
>PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds
>Liquid Wrench ...............127 pounds
>Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
>ATF*-Acetone mix............53 pounds
>
>
>The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>transmission fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts
>better than any commercial product in this one particular test.
>
>
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: penetrating oil |
In my case, I really don't remember how long I let them 'soak'. However,
I doubt that I waited that long. After all, the Acetone will evaporate
fairly quickly. I won't speculate on why it works, but it does work.
Charlie
On 11/19/2012 09:18 AM, b young wrote:
> ok how long do you have to let it soak to get this kind of results?
> boyd young
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> No Oil used ................... 516 pounds
> WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds
> PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds
> Liquid Wrench ...............127 pounds
> Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
> ATF*-Acetone mix............53 pounds
>
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts
> better than any commercial product in this one particular test.
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: penetrating oil |
Why? (Just to spend more money??) :-)
On 11/19/2012 09:25 AM, Herb Gayheart wrote:
> how about marvel mystery oil and acetone?? Herb
>
>
> At 09:18 AM 11/19/2012, you wrote:
>> ok how long do you have to let it soak to get this kind of results?
>>
>> boyd young
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> No Oil used ................... 516 pounds
>> WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds
>> PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds
>> Liquid Wrench ...............127 pounds
>> Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
>> ATF*-Acetone mix............53 pounds
>>
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts
>> better than any commercial product in this one particular test.
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: penetrating oil |
| From: | Martin Koxxy <martinkoxxy(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the tip, Charlie. Most of us will have ATF fluid around (even
used should work), but I wonder if fingernail polish remover could sub for
acetone?
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> Why? (Just to spend more money??) :-)
>
> On 11/19/2012 09:25 AM, Herb Gayheart wrote:
>
> how about marvel mystery oil and acetone?? Herb
>
>
> At 09:18 AM 11/19/2012, you wrote:
>
> ok how long do you have to let it soak to get this kind of results?
>
> boyd young
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> No Oil used ................... 516 pounds
> WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds
> PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds
> Liquid Wrench ...............127 pounds
> Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
> ATF*-Acetone mix............53 pounds
>
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts
> better than any commercial product in this one particular test.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: penetrating oil |
At 04:08 PM 11/19/2012, Martin Koxxy wrote:
>Thanks for the tip, Charlie. Most of us will have ATF fluid around (even
>used should work), but I wonder if fingernail polish remover could sub for
>acetone?
Sure, it'll be a _lovely_ flowery smelling bolt loosener! :)
Actually, though traditional nail polish remover used to be acetone, I
don't think the stuff sold nowadays is always acetone any more.
-Dana
--
Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er, um....
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: penetrating oil |
On 11/19/2012 02:16 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> Why? (Just to spend more money??) :-)
>
> On 11/19/2012 09:25 AM, Herb Gayheart wrote:
>> how about marvel mystery oil and acetone?? Herb
>>
>>
>> At 09:18 AM 11/19/2012, you wrote:
>>> ok how long do you have to let it soak to get this kind of results?
>>>
>>> boyd young
>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> No Oil used ................... 516 pounds
>>> WD-40 ..................... ... 238 pounds
>>> PB Blaster .................... 214 pounds
>>> Liquid Wrench ...............127 pounds
>>> Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
>>> ATF*-Acetone mix............53 pounds
>>>
>>>
>>> The ATF-Acetone mix is a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>>> transmission fluid and acetone. Note this "home brew" released bolts
>>> better than any commercial product in this one particular test.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> Just thought the experiment migh show some superior qualities of
> the Marvey oil....Herb
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb Homecoming 2012 |
Hi Folks:
Well...the Kolb Homecoming 2012 has come and gone. It was the first in
three years, and it was a good one. Although the weather was on the cool
side at night, it was perfect during the day. We had sunshine and light
winds all weekend.
James Tripp (MKIIIc with Hauck mods) and I took off for the Kolb Factory
Thursday morning. It was cold, but the sun broke out and warmed thing up.
I was almost tempted to take off without wearing my jacket, but my better
judgment encouraged me to put it on. Glad I did because the scattered
sunshine turned to complete overcast shortly after takeoff. We broke out
from under the overcast north of Anniston, AL, but the sun was behind us and
we sat in the shade of the wing all the way to the Kolb Factory.
Both MKIII's have the same performance. We cruised 5,000 rpm and a little
over 80 mph. Soon we were landing at Fort Payne, AL, home of the country
music group Alabama, for a short break which turned into a long break soon
after we walked into the FBO. The couple that run the FBO were interesting
folks and interested in James and I and our little Kolb airplanes.
Next stop was Jamestown, TN, to take on fuel before landing at Kolb, 67
miles away. That 67 miles is over some seriously rough terrain with tall
hard woods and few if any pig trails or roads. We were glad to see the cell
phone tower and finally the Kolb airstrip come into sight.
We had a headwind for the entire 330 mile flight. I logged 4.8 hours engine
time, but the flight was 4.5 hours air time.
Although we planned to camp out in our tents, Travis Brown convinced us that
we would be a lot more comfortable camping in the office on the floor. We
are glad we did because it did get down to freezing each night.
Friday was a little slow, but Saturday was a busy day and a nice crowd of
folks showed up to enjoy it with us.
Bryan, Travis, and Dennis, did a great job preparing for us. I believe
everyone had a good time. We all agreed that we did not need any more 3
year breaks between Kolb Homecomings. Looks like the next Kolb Homecoming
2013, will be the third weekend in May, 17-18 May 2013. This is the weekend
between Mother's Day and Memorial Day. The flyin will be Friday and
Saturday, but folks are welcome to arrive on Thursday and depart on Sunday.
We are all looking forward to the Kolb Homecoming 2013.
Thanks to the Kolb gang for taking such good care of us at the Homecoming.
James and I loaded up and departed the Kolb Factory Sunday morning, another
perfect day. We even had a little tailwind to help get us across the wild
stretch of the Daniel Boone National Forrest. Dennis Long from Memphis, TN,
tagged along with us for a while on his way home. We landed at Crossville,
TN, home of Trade-A-Plane, to refuel. From there it was nonstop to Gantt
International Airport, Alabama. Dennis left us near Chattanooga, TN, and
James flew another 11 miles south to his home base at Wetumpka Airport,
Alabama, 08A. Engine time was 4.3 hours. Actual flight time was 4.1 hours.
I burned 50.0 gals of fuel in 10.1 hours and 700.8 miles.
We had attendees from as far away as Australia, Jon Gilpin, the VG Man, who
pulled his Firefly from California. We had folks from Michigan, Maryland,
Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, and a host of other places, and of course,
Kentucky.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb Homecoming 2012 |
We had attendees from as far away as Australia, Jon Gilpin, the VG Man, who
pulled his Firefly from California. We had folks from Michigan, Maryland,
Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, and a host of other places, and of course,
Kentucky.
john h
Folks:
We also had a couple from Albuquerque, NM. I am sure there were others, but
cannot remember at the moment.
The date of the next Kolb Homecoming is the same weekend we used for so many
years for the Unplanned/Unorganized Kolb Flyin, Monument Valley, Utah.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: penetrating oil |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Just speculating, methinks the acetone works as a very thin solvent that facilitates
the lubricant working it's way into the rusted joint. So for the Kolb list:
MEK? Wouldn't it work like acetone? All us Kolbers probably still have some,
and now that the airplane is built, this might be a use for it.
Worth a try - but don't get it on the paint.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Homecoming 2012 |
| From: | "Thumper" <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com> |
Here are a few pictures added to John's commentary. I took these when arriving
on Saturday. Unfortunately my cameras were too cold on Sunday morning to work.
Thought I was getting some great video footage and some stills Sunday when
departing but the cheap cameras or batteries did not like the cold I guess.
I hoped to have some great air to air pictures of John and James, but alas no
luck. Fly safe my friends.
--------
Dennis Long
Oakland TN
2001 Kolb Mark IIIC
160+ hours since March 2011
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 11/20/12 |
Thanks to all for the update on the Fly-in at Kolb. I sure wanted to be there
but had been scheduled to be in a Spanish Missions conference in a Hispanic church
in Winston Salem, NC long before the fly-in was scheduled. Had a wonderful
time and love to see these folk (most US citizens) and their precious little
children (most speak English).
Due to some changes in our ministry I expect (hopefully) to have more time to work
on getting the Kolb MKIIIX finished. Maybe by May, 2013 I can fly it to London,
KY.
I really enjoyed reading John H's report. Would have enjoyed hearing about Jon
G's experience too. Did he sell it to someone while at the meeting?
Thanks to all of you Kolbers, people at the factory and Mr Homer Kolb for giving
much enjoyment.
Have a blessed Thanksgiving. Thank God for His unspeakable gift, the Lord Jesus
Christ.
Bob
MKIIIX project, N830PB
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| Subject: | FireFly and Trailer |
| From: | JC Gilpin <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com> |
Gday,
I know this forum isn't for advertising, but I do need to pass the news
that Edy wasn't able to buy the FireFly and trailer that I have for sale.
Both she and Jim have joint problems so that neither can pull the rope
starter hard enough. It's a sad turn of events for both of us, cause they
have the spirit and wanted to do it, but physical limitations prevent it.
I've been spreading the word that it was as good as sold, and putting off
others who expressed interest, so now I just need to let them know that
it's still available.
JG
281 515 6020
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Seafoam and VG's???? Thanks to all! |
Hello to all Kolb flyers and builder,
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teaching me a lot about flying and building these great planes! Being
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contributions to the list, have really taught me a lot about the Kolb I am
building. Thank you all, and many thanks to those of you that can contribute
$ to Matronics too!
A good Thanksgiving to you all!
Sincerely,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
Kolbra 607AK
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | FireFly and Trailer |
John:
Put a battery and an electric starter on the Firefly. Much better than a
pull start anyhow.
Hope you can do this.
john
I've been spreading the word that it was as good as sold, and putting off
others who expressed interest, so now I just need to let them know that it's
still available.
JG
281 515 6020
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| From: | Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly and Trailer |
Jg
How many hours on that engine/airframe? Herb
At 11:24 AM 11/21/2012, you wrote:
>Gday,
>
>I know this forum isn't for advertising, but I do need to pass the
>news that Edy wasn't able to buy the FireFly and trailer that I have
>for sale. Both she and Jim have joint problems so that neither can
>pull the rope starter hard enough. It's a sad turn of events for
>both of us, cause they have the spirit and wanted to do it, but
>physical limitations prevent it.
>
>I've been spreading the word that it was as good as sold, and
>putting off others who expressed interest, so now I just need to let
>them know that it's still available.
>
>JG
>281 515 6020
>
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly and Trailer |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Putting a starter and battery on a Firefly would likely take it out of Part 103.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly and Trailer |
| From: | John Gilpin <stolspeed(at)gmail.com> |
There's 183 hrs on both engine and airframe.
JG
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly and Trailer |
| From: | "David d." <david(at)PaulowniaTrees.com> |
> Putting a starter and battery on a Firefly would likely take it out of Part 103.
How illeage is an aircraft that is a pound or two above a 103 limit?
Who checks it?
Has anyone ever been checked?
--------
Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head
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| Subject: | kolb left rudder in cruise |
| From: | "skidookid" <rwtsc(at)hotmail.com> |
I have a 1997 kolb firestar II that needs 1 inch of left rudder in cruise. Has
any one ever offsetting the front of vertical fin to fix this problem. Older champs
have this done when installing larger motors. any words of wisdom out there.
My plane has no trim tab on it. Really hate to put the big trim tab in kolb
planes on the plane. looks like simple fix for bad rigging or design thanks
skidookid
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roger trombley
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| Subject: | Re: kolb left rudder in cruise |
| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
You can try that,probably"P" factor giving you the issue.I have seen the of
f-set vertical but I'll bet you end up with the trim tab as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: skidookid <rwtsc(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 22, 2012 11:46 am
Subject: Kolb-List: kolb left rudder in cruise
I have a 1997 kolb firestar II that needs 1 inch of left rudder in cruise.
Has
any one ever offsetting the front of vertical fin to fix this problem. Olde
r
champs have this done when installing larger motors. any words of wisdom o
ut
there. My plane has no trim tab on it. Really hate to put the big trim tab
in
kolb planes on the plane. looks like simple fix for bad rigging or design t
hanks
skidookid
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roger trombley
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| Subject: | Re: kolb left rudder in cruise |
| From: | "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net> |
skidookid wrote:
> I have a 1997 kolb firestar II that needs 1 inch of left rudder in cruise.
> = S = N = I = P
>
Attached is a picture of my FSII trim tabs. These alum ones have since been replaced
with Lexan ones. Rudder is slightly smaller than one shown.
My nickel's worth.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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| Subject: | Re: kolb left rudder in cruise |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
here are the trip tabs in lexan.
Larry
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:41 AM, George Alexander wrote:
>
>
> skidookid wrote:
> > I have a 1997 kolb firestar II that needs 1 inch of left rudder in
> cruise.
> > = S = N = I = P
> >
>
>
> Attached is a picture of my FSII trim tabs. These alum ones have since
> been replaced with Lexan ones. Rudder is slightly smaller than one shown.
>
> My nickel's worth.
>
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://www.oh2fly.net
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | kolb left rudder in cruise |
I have a 1997 kolb firestar II that needs 1 inch of left rudder in cruise.
Has any one ever offsetting the front of vertical fin to fix this problem.
Older champs have this done when installing larger motors. any words of
wisdom out there. My plane has no trim tab on it. Really hate to put the big
trim tab in kolb planes on the plane. looks like simple fix for bad rigging
or design thanks skidookid
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roger trombley
MKIII had the same problem. Tried offsetting the upper vertical stabilizer,
but it was not effective. Best cure was a rudder trim tab.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 11/21/12 |
Nick, any photos of your airstrip and project there in AK?
Bob
Chattanooga, TN
MKIIIX with VW re-drive
N830PB
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| From: | William Long <blong6826(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FireFly and Trailer |
I went to a flyin this year with my firefly. It has brakes and starter the FAA
was there no problem. I did take my second 2.5 gallon tank off first :)
________________________________
From: David d. <david(at)PaulowniaTrees.com>
Sent: Thu, November 22, 2012 7:52:15 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly and Trailer
> Putting a starter and battery on a Firefly would likely take it out of Part
>103.
How illeage is an aircraft that is a pound or two above a 103 limit?
Who checks it?
Has anyone ever been checked?
--------
Kolb Mark IIIX 582 Blue head
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| Subject: | Re: kolb left rudder in cruise |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Roger
Yes I offset the vertical fin on my MKIIIC it didn't help much if any. I
figure it wouldn't hurt so I left it offset when I added the trim tab. This
isn't bad design it is just the way airplanes are. I have flown some bigger
GA airplanes that have so much P factor that you have to set (required)
extra rudder trim for takeoff and readjust for cruise. Our Kolbs need a bit
more rudder on takeoff and opposite rudder on approach but with the right
trim setting nothing is needed in cruise. The Kolbs good design keeps the
rudder effort low enough that with or with out trim tabs the effort
minimal.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:46 AM, skidookid wrote:
>
> I have a 1997 kolb firestar II that needs 1 inch of left rudder in cruise.
> Has any one ever offsetting the front of vertical fin to fix this problem.
> Older champs have this done when installing larger motors. any words of
> wisdom out there. My plane has no trim tab on it. Really hate to put the
> big trim tab in kolb planes on the plane. looks like simple fix for bad
> rigging or design thanks skidookid
>
> --------
> roger trombley
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388596#388596
>
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/23/12 |
Thanks Rick N.
The info about the offset of the vertical and use of the rudder trim is very helpful.
Hope you and all had a great Thanksgiving.
Bob G
MKIIIX
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| From: | "Kirkds" <kirk.smith(at)frontier.com> |
Still have the Mark 3 wings, tail, and fuselage if anybody's interested. Kirk
--------
Kirk Smith
Columbiaville, MI
Firestar II
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly and Trailer |
| From: | "geraldgj" <geraldgj(at)insightbb.com> |
John where is the plane now and would you sell without the trailer?
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| Subject: | Fire Star II for sale in Sunny Ohio!!!!! |
| From: | "FIRESTARII" <CCMFarms(at)aol.com> |
Hi every body! Been a while since I have been on the forum bc my FSII was down
for engine rebuild. While I had the airplane down for engine overhaul
A Kit Fox some how made its way into my garage and has captured my heart!
As such it has been brought to my attention(by my wife) that I must sell my favorite
ever airplane!
I have the Firestar listed on Barnstormers and Craig's list. she only has two
hours or so since major on the 503. If any body is interested just shoot me an
email or call!
Ccmfarms(at)aol.com
216-288-4210
Good luck and safe flying!
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Low and Slow FireStar II
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| Subject: | FireFly and Trailer |
| From: | JC Gilpin <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com> |
Gday All,
The FireFly and trailer is now sold. To Edy and Jim in Florida.
I wish them well with it.
So now the adventure is over. It was just great!
Cheers,
JG
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly and Trailer |
| From: | "geraldgj" <geraldgj(at)insightbb.com> |
Good luck mate. Your an inspiration to use older guys.
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
this club will be 25 years old next year check out the news letter
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==================== A Few List Member Comments =====================
I have been flying my Pietenpol for a month now and am
enjoying the fruits of ten hard years of work. I seriously
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Douwe B
Hey-Long time subscriber, zero-time contributor. Just a
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contribute. Thanks for carrying a lightweight for years and
a special thanks for your time and effort.
Billy R
My 601 hd is flying with the help with the listers.
Noel G
A very useful facility.
Graeme B
..great site!
Robert C
Great Pietenpol site!
Don Y
Not active but always interested in keeping up. Enjoy
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Dave and Tim from Aircrafters just want to reiterate our
thanks for hosting the lists.
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I don't have a lot to give at this time of year, but I
hope my contribution helps none the less. I really enjoy
the message board.
Mark C
Thanks to your continued work on maintaining these lists.
Ralph C
The lists and the various contributors have been a great
help while I was building and also now that I'm flying.
Albert G
Very helpful tools for the homebuilder.
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We appreciate your great help!
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Many of our customers have expressed to us that you
provide them with an invaluable service - and we agree!
Bill B
I Fly a Quicksilver GT400 but love to read what the Kolb
boys have to say and it was on your list that I found out
about the Yamaha product Ring Free,, now called engine med,
that shit works.. no carbon in my rings or any to speak of
with the use of the Yamaha product with a premix 503 with
over 300 hrs of use.. thanks to your Kolb bulletin board.
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You are providing a valuable service that helps a lot of
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working without a resource like this list.
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Thanks for the opportunity to link us all, keep the good work!
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| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Tail reinforcement... revisited |
Hello Kolber's,
I thought I would take advantage of this quite time on the list to ask about
tail reinforcement, to support the tail wheel. From what I read in the
archives, it sounds like not everyone thinks reinforcement this is
necessary.
If you have reinforced your tail to support the tail wheel, could you tell
what you have done, and post a picture ( reduce file size) please.
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK
Might be the farthest North, but Henry is much further West!
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Tail reinforcement... revisited |
I thought I would take advantage of this quite time on the list to ask
about
tail reinforcement, to support the tail wheel. From what I read in the
archives, it sounds like not everyone thinks reinforcement this is
necessary.
If you have reinforced your tail -to support the tail wheel, could you
tell
what you have done, and post a picture ( reduce file size) please.
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Hi Nick C/Kolbers:
Are you inquiring about tail post braces? or support for the tail
wheel?
For me, bracing the tail post was a necessity, unless I wanted to
continue
to make temporary fixes when it broke. It had broken 3 or 4 times over
the
years.
In addition to bracing the tail post, we welded up a 4130 lower vertical
stabilizer with a 4130 saddle to attach it to the bottom of the tail
boom.
Never had a problem in this department. However, I broke the lower
vertical
stabilizer aluminum leading edge tube on the Factory MKIII many years
ago at
Oshkosh.
Most folks think the tail wires are "tail braces". Tail wires are
spacers.
They keep the horizontal stabilizer and vertical stabilizer in position
only. The only bracing on the tail post is the two welds on the rear
tail
boom ring that attach it to the bottom tube socket of the upper vertical
stabilizer and the top tube socket of the lower vertical stabilizer.
The two braces from the ring to the bottom of the tail post lock the
tail
post to the tail boom ring. I have flown a lot of hours since we made
this
mod some years ago. No more cracked tail posts.
Let me know if I need to clarify anything.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Tail reinforcement... revisited |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I got away without a brace for about 450 hours. It is simple and easy to do
if you do it before it breaks. A little tougher if you wait. :-)
Larry
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Nick Cassara wrote:
> Hello Kolber=92s,****
>
> ** **
>
> I thought I would take advantage of this quite time on the list to ask
> about tail reinforcement, to support the tail wheel. From what I read in
> the archives, it sounds like not everyone thinks reinforcement this is
> necessary.****
>
> ** **
>
> If you have reinforced your tail to support the tail wheel, could you
> tell what you have done, and post a picture ( reduce file size) please. *
*
> **
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,****
>
> ** **
>
> Nick Cassara****
>
> ** **
>
> Palmer, Alaska****
>
> ** **
>
> 607AK****
>
> ** **
>
> Might be the farthest North, but Henry is much further West!****
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail reinforcement... revisited |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Rebuild the lower tail fin with a heavier steel gusset and thicker wall tubing.
Which will support a full swivel locking tail wheel.
[Idea]
--------
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail reinforcement... revisited |
Rebuild the lower tail fin with a heavier steel gusset and thicker wall
tubing. Which will support a full swivel locking tail wheel.
Dennis T/Kolbers:
The above is ok for a temporary fix. Eventually, the tail post will break
again. With larger and heavier repairs on my MKIII, we continued to
experience failures until my friend Dan Horton came up with the idea of two
external struts which create triangles that laterally brace the tail post.
Looks like lateral stress from ground handling is the culprit breaking our
tail posts.
Struts can be fabricated using 4130 or aluminum strap or tubing, and
attached with 3/16 bolts. No need for welding which creates a need for
paint and fabric repair.
Has anyone had a tail post failure after installing external struts?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Tail reinforcement... revisited |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
I added 1/8 by 1 inch aluminum straps one on each side (like
John suggested) to better control the tail wheel stress on my VW powered
MKIIIC. I'm a big believer of learning from others. I figured the two
straps one acting in tension in each direction would be enough to
strengthen the tail post. I have about 400 hours on the fix with no issues.
I also have been criticized a few times about abusing the tail
with aggressive ground handling on rough ground.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:12 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> Rebuild the lower tail fin with a heavier steel gusset and thicker wall
> tubing. Which will support a full swivel locking tail wheel.
>
>
> Dennis T/Kolbers:
>
> The above is ok for a temporary fix. Eventually, the tail post will break
> again. With larger and heavier repairs on my MKIII, we continued to
> experience failures until my friend Dan Horton came up with the idea of two
> external struts which create triangles that laterally brace the tail post.
> Looks like lateral stress from ground handling is the culprit breaking our
> tail posts.
>
> Struts can be fabricated using 4130 or aluminum strap or tubing, and
> attached with 3/16 bolts. No need for welding which creates a need for
> paint and fabric repair.
>
> Has anyone had a tail post failure after installing external struts?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Tail up grades... |
Hello John,
Thanks for figuring out what I was trying to ask the "List." I think I
understand most of what you described, but where did you mount the "saddle"
on the boom. Was the Saddle haft the circumference on the boom tube, and
riveted to the boom?
What material did you use, " In addition to bracing the tail post" for this
bracing?
Thank you very much,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
607AK
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Tail up grades... |
where did you mount the =93saddle=94 on the boom. -Was the Saddle
haft the
circumference on the boom tube, and riveted to the boom? -
What material did you use, =93 In addition to bracing the tail post=94
for this
bracing?
Nick Cassara
Nick C/Kolbers:
I included the two previous photos of my lower vertical stabilizer and
tail
post braces. At the forward end of the lower vertical stabilizer the
4130
saddle is visible.
We fabricated the lower vertical stabilizer on my MKIII from 4130
because we
knew this was a high stress area during ground handling/taxi. The
saddle
was cut out of a section of 4130 tail boom ring, welded to the forward
end
of the lower vertical stabilizer and pop riveted to the bottom of the
tail
boom.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Tail up grades... |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I did it a little differently from John. I am sure that he and Jim did it
right, I modified an existing screw up and just drilled through the ring at
the back of the tube. The ring is under no stress, and a new hole in it
isn't going to hurt a thing, so I could find no reason to make it any more
complicated than necessary. I used some alum tubing for the brace. Just be
sure you don't split it when you flatten the ends. Your options are open
and do as you think right.
Larry
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Nick Cassara wrote:
> Hello John,****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for figuring out what I was trying to ask the =93List.=94 I think
I
> understand most of what you described, but where did you mount the =93sad
dle=94
> on the boom. Was the Saddle haft the circumference on the boom tube, and
> riveted to the boom? ****
>
> What material did you use, =93 In addition to bracing the tail post=94 fo
r
> this bracing?****
>
> ** **
>
> Thank you very much,****
>
> ** **
>
> Nick Cassara****
>
> ** **
>
> Palmer, AK****
>
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>
> 607AK****
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| From: | "Andy and Sheila Slinkard" <andysheila(at)eltopia.com> |
| Subject: | Nose cone access |
Kolbers, tired of standing on your head to access the back of your
instrument panel, especially if you have a battery mounted in the cone?
This is my solution: Make five fiberglass layups on the inside of the
cone where the cutout will be. Draw the desired cutout on outside of
cone and use a small Drammel tool to carefully cut the desired opening.
Use clear packing tape as a release agent on the inside of the cutout.
Tape the cutout back in the hole on the outside. Make five more
fiberglass layups on the inside. Remove the cutout and trim the five
layers of glass for a flange where all metal floating anchor nuts (
Aircraft Spruce part # MS21059L06) will be riveted to accept and secure
the cutout to the cone with #6-32 counter sunk screws. See pictures for
reference.
Have a good day,
Andy
N687AS
Nose cone access 2
Nose cone access1
Nose cone access3
Nose cone access4
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| Subject: | Re: Tail up grades... |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Here is what we did on Ed's Firestar II, just a length of 1/8" aluminum flat stock
on each side. Drilled one new hole on each side of the steel ring, and used
the existing bolt that secures the tailwheel strut. I will be doing the same
on my MKIII this winter.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Nose cone access |
| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
I'm not all the familiar with the nose of Kolbs as I don't have one yet, but
wouldn't it be better to put the instrument panel on a hinge? Other than th
at I like the idea,
Sent from my iPad
Brad
On Dec 6, 2012, at 19:45, "Andy and Sheila Slinkard" wrote:
> Kolbers, tired of standing on your head to access the back of your instrum
ent panel, especially if you have a battery mounted in the cone? This is my
solution: Make five fiberglass layups on the inside of the cone where the c
utout will be. Draw the desired cutout on outside of cone and use a small D
rammel tool to carefully cut the desired opening. Use clear packing tape as
a release agent on the inside of the cutout. Tape the cutout back in the h
ole on the outside. Make five more fiberglass layups on the inside. Remove
the cutout and trim the five layers of glass for a flange where all metal f
loating anchor nuts ( Aircraft Spruce part # MS21059L06) will be riveted to a
ccept and secure the cutout to the cone with #6-32 counter sunk screws. See
pictures for reference.
> Have a good day,
> Andy
> N687AS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose cone access |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Brad, As you said, you don't have one yet. There's more to this than just
getting at the instruments. There are pedal hinges to be oiled, pitot and
static lines to inspect. If you have hydraulic brakes you'll be wanting to
service the master cylinders and cables stretch on mechanical brakes. It is
VERY handy to have access to the forward end of the nose cone without going
in through the cockpit and a whole lot easier on your back.
I used the same basic idea as Andy's on my Mk IIIC except I made the flange
from aluminum and riveted it on.
As I recall, John Hauck put his access hole on the bottom of the nose cone
for the same reason.
On Ken Holle's Mk IIIX I took out the rivets and used screws to attach the
entire nose cone so the whole thing comes off. I could get at everything
while sitting on a roll around shop stool. Again, very handy for those
maintenance items that have to be attended to during every annual
conditional inspection.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Brad Nation wrote:
> I'm not all the familiar with the nose of Kolbs as I don't have one yet,
> but wouldn't it be better to put the instrument panel on a hinge? Other
> than that I like the idea,
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Brad
>
> On Dec 6, 2012, at 19:45, "Andy and Sheila Slinkard" <
> andysheila(at)eltopia.com> wrote:
>
> Kolbers, tired of standing on your head to access the back of your
> instrument panel, especially if you have a battery mounted in the cone?
> This is my solution: Make five fiberglass layups on the inside of the cone
> where the cutout will be. Draw the desired cutout on outside of cone and
> use a small Drammel tool to carefully cut the desired opening. Use clear
> packing tape as a release agent on the inside of the cutout. Tape the
> cutout back in the hole on the outside. Make five more fiberglass layups
> on the inside. Remove the cutout and trim the five layers of glass for a
> flange where all metal floating anchor nuts ( Aircraft Spruce part #
> MS21059L06) will be riveted to accept and secure the cutout to the cone
> with #6-32 counter sunk screws. See pictures for reference.
> Have a good day,
> Andy
> N687AS
>
>
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>
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>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Tail up grades... |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
For pilots who like that.... [add-on look]..... How about this short field landing
tail-hook device. [Wink]
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | 912 uls oil & cht temps? |
Hi All,
Does any one out there know what the MAX oil temp
and the MAX cht are for a 912 uls ? My books are
1998 Don't know if anything changed since then.
Frank Goodnight
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | 912 uls oil & cht temps? |
Frank G/Kolbers:
Try this one for an operators manual. It is for 912U and 912ULS:
http://www.flyrotax.com/portaldata/5/dokus/d05487.pdf
Did a Google search for "912uls operators manual" to pull this one up.
Couldn't get to it going through Kodiak.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "cdupuis" <ctdupuis(at)maine.rr.com> |
hi,
where can I get the spar tubing?
Thanks,
Charlie
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
where can I get the spar tubing?
Thanks,
Charlie
Best bet would be:
Kolb Aircraft Company
8375 Russell Dyche Hwy.
London, KY 40741
Phone (606) 862-9692
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
a local Travis, Travis told me on the phone yesterday he is looking forward to
Sebring to show off the adventurer. as you may not know Bob had owned the rites
to many designs. Keuthan aircraft, barracuda, peruses, kappa, Zephyr, and
a couple moor. Bob had the tooling and fiberglass forms to all the designs
he owned. I felt for what Bob had to offer the price was quite reasonable, Travis
comes from a aviation background and is excited about the new company
their are several moor Ultralight designs that for now have been given another
chance to survive.
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
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| Subject: | KOLB in New Mexico? |
| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello group. I am a Sport Pilot flying a Powered Parachute in Roswell, NM. I am
researching aircraft and really like the KOLB. Seems better than a Quicksilver
and less cost than a Kitfox. Also seems easier to fit in a trailer. Maybe a
pilot out there who wants to trade a flight in my PPC for a flight in their KOLB?
Any CFI in the area who wants to give me a lesson in their KOLB? I have a
1000 foot dirt strip to fly from and welcome anyone to come land at my place.
Thanks and hopefully I will join the KOLB following one day.
Wesley
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | KOLB in New Mexico? |
I have a 1000 foot dirt strip to fly from and welcome anyone to come land
at my place. Thanks and hopefully I will join the KOLB following one day.
Wesley
Hi Wesley/Kolbers:
Thanks for the invite.
Been building and flying Kolbs for nearly 29 years. Was an Army Aviator
prior to getting involved in Kolbs.
No comparison between a Kolb and Quicksilvers/Kit Foxes.
Hope you can find someone to help you with a Kolb flight.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | KOLB in New Mexico? |
Hi Wesley; If you are interested in a Kolb I have a mark III Classic for
sale reasonable. See attached PDF. Steve Simmons 423 748 4336
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of alienwes
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: KOLB in New Mexico?
Hello group. I am a Sport Pilot flying a Powered Parachute in Roswell, NM. I
am researching aircraft and really like the KOLB. Seems better than a
Quicksilver and less cost than a Kitfox. Also seems easier to fit in a
trailer. Maybe a pilot out there who wants to trade a flight in my PPC for a
flight in their KOLB? Any CFI in the area who wants to give me a lesson in
their KOLB? I have a 1000 foot dirt strip to fly from and welcome anyone to
come land at my place. Thanks and hopefully I will join the KOLB following
one day.
Wesley
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/13/12 |
John B/Kolbers:
Follow this link, find "subscribe/unsubscribe" and follow the directions.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/13/12 |
Forgot the url.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator/?Kolb-List
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| Subject: | Re: KOLB in New Mexico? |
| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
That sure looks like an Extra.
Sent from my iPad
Brad
On Dec 13, 2012, at 21:32, "Steve Simmons" wrote:
> Hi Wesley; If you are interested in a Kolb I have a mark III Classic for
> sale reasonable. See attached PDF. Steve Simmons 423 748 4336
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of alienwes
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:36 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: KOLB in New Mexico?
>
>
> Hello group. I am a Sport Pilot flying a Powered Parachute in Roswell, NM. I
> am researching aircraft and really like the KOLB. Seems better than a
> Quicksilver and less cost than a Kitfox. Also seems easier to fit in a
> trailer. Maybe a pilot out there who wants to trade a flight in my PPC for a
> flight in their KOLB? Any CFI in the area who wants to give me a lesson in
> their KOLB? I have a 1000 foot dirt strip to fly from and welcome anyone to
> come land at my place. Thanks and hopefully I will join the KOLB following
> one day.
>
> Wesley
>
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> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | KOLB in New Mexico? |
Thank you, it is just the photographic angle. I can assure you it is a
classic SN 1163
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brad Nation
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: KOLB in New Mexico?
That sure looks like an Extra.
Sent from my iPad
Brad
On Dec 13, 2012, at 21:32, "Steve Simmons" wrote:
> Hi Wesley; If you are interested in a Kolb I have a mark III Classic
> for sale reasonable. See attached PDF. Steve Simmons 423 748 4336
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of alienwes
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:36 PM
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: KOLB in New Mexico?
>
>
> Hello group. I am a Sport Pilot flying a Powered Parachute in Roswell,
> NM. I am researching aircraft and really like the KOLB. Seems better
> than a Quicksilver and less cost than a Kitfox. Also seems easier to
> fit in a trailer. Maybe a pilot out there who wants to trade a flight
> in my PPC for a flight in their KOLB? Any CFI in the area who wants to
> give me a lesson in their KOLB? I have a 1000 foot dirt strip to fly
> from and welcome anyone to come land at my place. Thanks and hopefully
> I will join the KOLB following one day.
>
> Wesley
>
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> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | 912 ULS trying to overheat |
He thinks there was
an air bubble in the water sys.
Any one with thoughts , knowledge , or advice please respond. Thanks
Frank Goodnight
Frank G/Kolbers:
Have no experience with enclosed 912's, so cannot help you there.
My experience has been that the cooling system has to be bled and topped off
until all the air is out of the cooling system. This probably means that
you will have to raise the tail, or put the airframe and engine in whatever
attitude it will require to bleed the air. In addition, you will need to
insure the coolant recovery system is sealed and operating as required.
If after doing the above, you can further lower temps by reducing the ratio
of water to antifreeze. More antifreeze reduces cooling capacity. Less
antifreeze increases cooling capacity. I usually operate with enough
antifreeze to insure I am covered down to about 0F.
Have you checked with Zenith to help solve your problem?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
I think the best way to learn if I want a KOLB is to find a CFI who trains in one.
Does anyone know of a CFI with a KOLB? Also, any recommendations on who is
the best for learning to fly a KOLB? I live in New Mexico and would appreciate
any leads.
I am a current Sport Pilot with Powered Parachute endorsement.
Wesley Elliott
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Sport Pilot-PPC
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with KOLB? |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
For a CFI to train you in an ELSA Kolb that he owns (there are no SLSA
Kolbs) will require him to get what is known as a Letter of Deviation
Authority from the FAA. LODA's are granted for transition training, not
primary flight training, so you might as well take the training for an
airplane SP ticket from whomever is available in your area, then make
arrangements to get the specific transition training afterward.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 4:00 PM, alienwes wrote:
>
> I think the best way to learn if I want a KOLB is to find a CFI who trains
> in one. Does anyone know of a CFI with a KOLB? Also, any recommendations on
> who is the best for learning to fly a KOLB? I live in New Mexico and would
> appreciate any leads.
>
> I am a current Sport Pilot with Powered Parachute endorsement.
>
> Wesley Elliott
>
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> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: CFI with KOLB? |
At 11:00 AM 12/17/2012, Richard Girard wrote:
>For a CFI to train you in an ELSA Kolb that he owns (there are no SLSA
>Kolbs) will require him to get what is known as a Letter of Deviation
>Authority from the FAA. LODA's are granted for transition training, not
>primary flight training...
Actually, a LODA can now be issued for primary training in an "ultralight
like" experimental, be it ELSA or E-AB. The hours don't count toward any
certificate. I don't know how many, if any, have actually been issued, though.
-Dana
--
The only correct outcome to an armed robbery attempt is a dead armed robber.
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: CFI with KOLB? |
ther is another way to get the experence you need =0AI sponsor a "fly for f
un club". I was a BFI in the later days of Ultralight flying before Light s
port was created. I now have an EAB and provide people with the experience
of flying - for ultralights and some transition experience through my club,
"Malcolm's fly for fun club". When a person joins my club, they read the m
ission statement for the club and sign a waiver, after that they are a memb
er for life. The dues they pay are directly related to the activty they par
ticipate in. Because I am not a CFI their experience is not applicable to a
ny rating. I follow the ASC BFI training syllabus and really enjoy doing it
. I also go to fly-ins and give discovery flights; we really have a good ti
me. =0AThe FAA has published some information on flying clubs, the EAA has
also. I have talked to the EAA about this topic several times and feel I h
ave a good handle on the concept and process. Some industry leaders have to
ld me that the Club thing is probably the only thing that ultralights have
left as far as training goes. =0AMy original concept was to have a nationa
l organization dedicated to the idea of creating flying clubs; charging peo
ple to join as a BFI, having requirements and offering benefits like the EA
A, ASC and USUA once did. But, I have decided to take a different approach.
Now I would like to post the guidelines and concepts for free on all the
user groups. Kind of like a real grass roots flying club. It would be nice
if people used the "fly for fun club" phrase in the name of their club, as
this would lead to a recognition of the legitimacy of the program. It can
be as complicated as the sponsor wants it to be; using a corporation, findi
ng insurance, becoming a CFI or whatever the individual wants to do with it
.=0AI decided not to become a CFI because in Michigan, if I fly 50 hrs a ye
ar and charge the going rate for instruction, at $70/hr It would be hard to
gross $3,500 a year and most 2 seat airplane operators know that would nev
er come close to making a profit in this industry.=0AA club sponsor, the ow
ner of the plane, would be responsible for promoting the club concept to ev
eryone he flies with and would need to be vigilant when conducting club act
ivities, as much as any other "professional" in the aviation industry . =0A
The "Club thing" is not just a loop hole schemed up to raise havoc and chao
s in the flying community . It's not for everyone. I know if a guy does not
like the idea I'll never convince him; and I don't want to waste my time
trying. However, the skeptics have helped me develop the concept. =0ASince
the FAA has no requirement that a club be formed with a written contract,a
corporation,or insured, once the concept is fully understood by the club s
ponsor and the club member, an informal understanding between these 2 peopl
e is all that is required for participation; and the flying club is up and
running. =0AThis sounds simple, and it is. There are those who choose to i
nsist that such simple things do not exist, such as "ultralights". But, ot
hers of us realize that they do, and it is up to us to utilize them while w
e still can. =0AAn "Ultralight" story by Malcolm Brubaker =0AOne day Bigf
oot was down at the lake when the local Mermaid appeared. "It's been a whil
e since I've seen you, Big Guy!" she said. "What have you been up to?". "Le
arning to fly" was Bigfoot's response. =0A"I don't see any wings on your ba
ck, Angel..." =0A"Of course not, I built an Ultralight aircraft!"=0A"What!
Everyone knows there is no such thing as an "Ultralight."=0A"Sure there is.
Wait here, I will show you."=0ABigfoot took off down the path. As he round
ed a curve he saw Tinkerbell; she was hovering over what appeared to be a h
uman, furiously beating her wings and apparently talking to herself. Bigfoo
t thought, "what's that nutty blond doing now?" As he approached he could m
ake out her words... "I DO believe in Ultralights, I DO, I DO..." over and
over again.=0A"Tinkerbell, What are you doing! What happened to the human?"
exclaimed Bigfoot.=0ATinkerbell responded, somewhat breathlessly, "Don't y
ou know? Everytime someone says "There is no such thing as Ultralights", so
mewhere, another pilot dies!"=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport
Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com/=0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AG
reat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A
=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://mich
igansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Af
or Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A_____
___________________________=0A From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>=0AT
o: kolb-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, December 17, 2012 12:55 PM=0ASu
bject: Re: Kolb-List: CFI with KOLB?=0A =0A=0AAt 11:00 AM 12/17/2012, Rich
ard Girard wrote:=0A=0AFor a CFI to train you in an ELSA=0AKolb that he own
s (there are no SLSA Kolbs) will require him to get what=0Ais known as a Le
tter of Deviation Authority from the FAA. LODA's are=0Agranted for transiti
on training, not primary flight=0Atraining...=0AActually, a LODA can now be
issued for primary training in an=0A"ultralight like" experimental, be it
ELSA or E-AB.- The=0Ahours don't count toward any certificate.- I don't
know how many, if=0Aany, have actually been issued, though.=0A=0A-Dana=0A
=0A-- =0AThe only correct outcome to an armed robbery attempt is a dead arm
====================
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| From: | Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | firefly for sale |
our EAA has a firefly project for sale it is -a tottly factory built kit
=0Athat was on display at sun fun it has been covered and needs silver and
paint=0Ait comes complete with new in box 447,prop and instruments,- plea
se contact me off list- mal=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sp
ort Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, W
S=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022
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| Subject: | Hours on Airframe and Fabric |
| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Forum,
Was wondering how high of hours can a Mark III have on the airframe with normal
stresses?
How long is the fabric on the wing good for if it is kept in a trailer and only
exposed to light when flown?
Sorry for the silly questions,
Wesley
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Hours on Airframe and Fabric |
Was wondering how high of hours can a Mark III have on the airframe with
normal stresses?
How long is the fabric on the wing good for if it is kept in a trailer and
only exposed to light when flown?
Wesley
Wes/Kolbers:
I don't know how many hours one could put on a MKIII airframe under normal
stress before retirement or failure.
At this time I have 3,197.7 hours on my MKIII fuselage over a period of
nearly 21 years. I don't think the fuselage is anywhere near the end of its
serviceable lifetime.
I have original fabric on all of my MKIII except the left wing, aileron, and
flap. Which was recovered in 2000, after an accident. The upper and lower
vertical stabilizer were recovered 6 or 8 years ago, I think. The original
fabric still test good. I keep my MKIII in a T hanger with open front that
faces east.
Can't remember now how many coats of Polyspray was used, but enough to
prevent any light from penetrating through using a 100 watt light bulb.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Colin Hudson <colin.scott.hudson(at)gmail.com> |
In an effort to curb carb heat problems with the Bing carburetor I've
purchased a Rotec TBI injector for my 2200 Jabiru. Before I try to
work out all the cable and air filter problems, I was wondering if
anyone has installed this TBI on their Jabiru? Pictures would really
help and a pusher configuration would be even better as my Jabiru is
installed on a Kolb Mark III X-tra.
Thanks - Colin Hudson
Belton TX
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Question about Airframe lifespan...inspection ports? |
Hello Kolbers,
Your question is not "silly" Wesley!
The great thing about the Kolb list is that there are no "silly" questions;
everyone on the list has a different background and bring a variety of
experiences to the list. So ask away!
Two days ago, the North American distributor of Oratex fabric asked me what
I was planning on coating my wings frames with before covering them?
My memory is that almost no one treats the aluminum with anything. I do have
a recollection of the story of Kolb once coated a frame with Zinc chromate
for a fellow who lived on the salt water of Chesapeake bay and intended to
operate on floats.
My question for the list how many inspection ports do folks put in their
wings?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
607AK
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Question about Airframe lifespan...inspection ports? |
My question for the list how many inspection ports do folks put in their
wings?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Nick/Kolbers:
I use epoxy chromate primer on all the 4130 parts and fuselage. Nothing on
the aluminum unless I am going to finish paint, then apply epoxy chromate
primer.
Put as many inspection rings on your wings, or any other place for that
matter, that you think you will "ever" need in the future. All you have to
do is process the inspection rings during covering and painting. If and
when you ever need to get inside, simply cut out the inside of the ring,
then place the pre-painted inspection covers on them.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "Beauford " <beauford173(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Question about Airframe lifespan...inspection ports? |
Brother Cassara:
Not sure what the majority of folks do, but I put one ring on each side of
the spar at the strut attachment fitting, and one
at the root to look at the drag strut attachment to the wing butt rib. I
open and use all three at each annual.
No reason I can see that a man could not put more on the wing if desired.
Guess it depends on how pessimistic one
wants to be.
Worth what ye paid fer it.
Beauford
FF-076
N173BW
Brandon, FL
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara
Subject: Kolb-List: Question about Airframe lifespan...inspection ports?
My question for the list how many inspection ports do folks put in their
wings?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, AK
607AK
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| Subject: | Re: Question about Airframe lifespan...inspection ports? |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
If you are planning on using the Poly Fiber series of chemicals, zinc
chromate and any other one part primer will NOT work. The solvents in the
Poly Fiber will eat through it and the bond of the fabric to the air frame
weakened. The only approved primer is two part epoxy and if you use any
other brand than Poly Fiber you should check with a factory rep to find out
if it will withstand MEK. I used Tran Star epoxy primer sold by O'Reilly's
Auto Parts.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Beauford wrot
e:
> Brother Cassara:****
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> Not sure what the majority of folks do, but I put one ring on each side o
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> the spar at the strut attachment fitting, and one****
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> at the root to look at the drag strut attachment to the wing butt rib. I
> open and use all three at each annual.****
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> No reason I can see that a man could not put more on the wing if desired.
> Guess it depends on how pessimistic one****
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> Worth what ye paid fer it=85****
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> Beauford****
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> FF-076 ****
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> N173BW****
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> Brandon, FL****
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>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Nick Cassara
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Question about Airframe lifespan...inspection ports
?
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> My question for the list how many inspection ports do folks put in their
> wings?****
>
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> Thanks,****
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> Palmer, AK****
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Question about Airframe lifespan...inspection ports? |
| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
I don't have a Kolb yet, so I don't quite understand how an inspection ring w
orks. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Sent from my iPad
Brad
On Dec 19, 2012, at 13:09, "John Hauck" wrote:
>
> My question for the list how many inspection ports do folks put in their w
ings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
>
>
>
> Nick/Kolbers:
>
> I use epoxy chromate primer on all the 4130 parts and fuselage. Nothing o
n the aluminum unless I am going to finish paint, then apply epoxy chromate p
rimer.
>
> Put as many inspection rings on your wings, or any other place for that ma
tter, that you think you will "ever" need in the future. All you have to do
is process the inspection rings during covering and painting. If and when y
ou ever need to get inside, simply cut out the inside of the ring, then plac
e the pre-painted inspection covers on them.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Question about Airframe lifespan...inspection ports? |
I don't have a Kolb yet, so I don't quite understand how an inspection
ring works. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Brad
Brad/Kolbers:
The ring is a plastic reinforcement for the inspection hole covers.
Keeps from tearing the fabric. Gives the cover springs something to
hold on to keep them in place\.
Here's a bunch of questions and answers about inspection rings:
http://www.polyfiber.com/techquestions/inspectionrings/index.htm
Google this, "fabric aircraft inspection rings" and hit IMAGES. You'll
get a lot of photos of rings and how they are used.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Any Kolbers in Titusville, FL? |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
I am thinking about relocating to the Space Coast of Florida.
Are there any Kolb listers at Arthur Dunn Apt (X21?).
It has a nice grass strip as well as a paved runway, and AirNav lists 20 "Ultralights."
Dave Watkins
Mk3 Classic
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390733#390733
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| From: | "Lanny Fetterman" <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Retrofitting inspection rings |
When I built my FSII, the plans didn`t call for inspection rings. Can
they be retrofitted on fabric that has already been shrunk and painted?
I still have fabric and paint. So all I would need is Poly-brush and the
rings, correct? N598LF
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
I spoke to a local pilot last week that has the same problem with his restored
super cub. He was telling me about a product ( glue) that can be applied to the
ring, the ring can then be positioned, removed and repositioned if needed right
over the existing paint. I believe he said that heat activates the glue and
the ring is permanently adhered. I will monitor the list and if no one has the
name of the product I will contact him and get it for you.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390738#390738
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| From: | "Lanny Fetterman" <donaho1(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
Thanks Ducati, I would appreciate that information.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ducati SS
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:49 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings
I spoke to a local pilot last week that has the same problem with his
restored super cub. He was telling me about a product ( glue) that can be
applied to the ring, the ring can then be positioned, removed and
repositioned if needed right over the existing paint. I believe he said that
heat activates the glue and the ring is permanently adhered. I will monitor
the list and if no one has the name of the product I will contact him and
get it for you.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390738#390738
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| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Colin,
What are your "heat problems" with the Jab running the Bing 94? I have no experience
with the TBI but have a good bit of experience with a Jabiru 2200 on a Kolb
Slingshot. Perhaps I , or one of the other experienced Jabiru/Kolbers, can
help.
If you are determined to change to TBI, I suggest you ask your question on the
Jabiru Engines Forum on Yahoo Groups website. In any case, they will want to know
what you mean specifically by "heat problems". There are several on that list
who have changed to TBI or AeroCarb, some with success, some not so much.
Most of them (tractor configurations) did it to have manual control over mixture.
If that is your desire, installing a HACman on the Bing will accomplish that,
or even making your own is a fairly simple process. That said, I was able
to get the EGTs with the Bing exactly where they should be at cruise and full
power climb by installing Jabiru's economy tuning kit.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
no engine
FOR SALE
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390740#390740
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Retrofitting inspection rings |
On Behalf Of Lanny Fetterman
When I built my FSII, the plans didn`t call for inspection rings. Can they
be retrofitted on fabric that has already been shrunk and painted? I still
have fabric and paint. So all I would need is Poly-brush and the rings,
correct? N598LF
Lanny/Kolbers:
Retrofit inspection rings like you would apply a patch to the fabric.
1-Prep the area (clean and scuff).
2-Polytak the inspection ring to the fabric.
3-Cut out a round patch about the size of a No. 10/gallon coffee can.
4-Polybrush the patch over inspection ring.
5-Polyspray, if you want to, and paint.
You don't have to cut out the hole in the inspection ring until you need to
gain access for inspection.
I would not try to glue the inspection ring to the fabric. It probably will
not get the job done.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Lanny, It depends upon the result you want. For results that will make it
look like you put them there when you did your original cover you'll want
to use MEK and remove all the coats down to bare fabric in the area where
you want to put the inspection rings and install them per the manual. Treat
them as you would a patch and install them with a 50/50 mix of MEK thinned
Poly Tack, not Poly Brush.
The next best method is to install over the current coatings, again using a
thinned Poly Tack. Once you have the rings on and the cover fabric glued
down use a Tape Down sheet, a product my company sells that allows you to
use a sealing iron to melt the coatings and drive the edge of the fabric
down into the existing Poly Tone for a perfect seamless installation.
Tape Down is a high temperature fabric that allows the heat of the iron to
pass through it without allowing the heat softened coatings to stick to the
iron. Guaranteed to work or your money back. $12 for a 6 inch square sheet
that lasts a life time. I sealed over 200 feet of tape edge on Ken Holle's
Mk IIIX with a single sheet of Tape Down and it's still like new. It saves
all the work, money and mess of removing coatings and pays for itself the
first time you use it.
The least perfect method is to just glue new fabric on and coat with Poly
Brush, Poly Spray and Poly Tone to match the color with the original
coatings. The fabric edges will stick up and it will look like what it is a
scabbed on patch. It will be functional but ugly.
Contact me off list to buy Tape Down.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Lanny Fetterman wrote:
> When I built my FSII, the plans didn`t call for inspection rings. Can
> they be retrofitted on fabric that has already been shrunk and painted? I
> still have fabric and paint. So all I would need is Poly-brush and the
> rings, correct? N598LF
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 12/19/12 |
> there are no "silly" questions; So ask away!
If psychiatry is the answer, what is the question?
:-)
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| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
Use polytak glue
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 20, 2012 3:50 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Retrofitting inspection rings
I spoke to a local pilot last week that has the same problem with his resto
red
super cub. He was telling me about a product ( glue) that can be applied to
the
ring, the ring can then be positioned, removed and repositioned if needed r
ight
over the existing paint. I believe he said that heat activates the glue and
the
ring is permanently adhered. I will monitor the list and if no one has the
name
of the product I will contact him and get it for you.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390738#390738
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
Let me preface this by saying I haven't done it this way myself yet, but I really
trust the guy who gave me the information. He's a Reno racer who's built or
rebuilt more than a dozen fabric airplanes. He say's the best way to retrofit
inspection ports is to use Liquid Nails silicone adhesive that you can buy at
Home Depot. It doesn't wrinkle the paint like Polytak will do. He puts the adhesive
on both inner and outer rings and then clamps them together using Cleco
Clamps, which are small little clamps that you can set using Cleco pliers.
You need a lot of clamps (maybe 10 or 12) to keep the rings from wrinkling. He's
been doing it this way for many years and has done test sections on spare pieces
of fabric to test the bond. He claims it's stronger than Polytak. I bought
the materials to put in some inspection plates in my Firestar but haven't gotten
around to doing it yet.
--------
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of
conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390759#390759
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
He claims it's stronger than Polytak. I bought the materials to put in some
inspection plates in my Firestar but haven't gotten around to doing it yet.
--------
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
Let us know how it works out.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Any Kolbers in Titusville, FL? |
| From: | Mark Shimei <mark.shimei(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: Kolb-List: Any Kolbers in Titusville, FL?
From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
I am thinking about relocating to the Space Coast of Florida.
Are there any Kolb listers at Arthur Dunn Apt (X21?).
It has a nice grass strip as well as a paved runway, and AirNav lists 20
"Ultralights."
Dave Watkins
IMk3 Classic
I have been flying there for 30+ yrs. Sent you an e-mail with my
number,will be more than happy to help you out.
I have an ultrastar,firefly,and 1/2 of an SE5A...and am trying to get a
Terra and several others flying for others..Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Colin Hudson <colin.scott.hudson(at)gmail.com> |
Thom, no heat problems with the Jabiru engine. I am having carb-ice
problems with the bing carb the minute the temp drops below 60 degrees
on a humid day. No problem here in Texas during the Summer, but this
time of year it gets your attention. I looked at the electric heating
element, but chose the TBI instead. A little more money, but a lot
more in fuel management. I did put that message on the Jabiru list,
but no bites yet. I'll take your advise and try the Yaho sites.
Thanks
Colin Hudson
Mark IIIX-tra with Jabiru
Temple Texas
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> Colin,
>
> What are your "heat problems" with the Jab running the Bing 94? I have no experience
with the TBI but have a good bit of experience with a Jabiru 2200 on a
Kolb Slingshot. Perhaps I , or one of the other experienced Jabiru/Kolbers, can
help.
>
> If you are determined to change to TBI, I suggest you ask your question on the
Jabiru Engines Forum on Yahoo Groups website. In any case, they will want to
know what you mean specifically by "heat problems". There are several on that
list who have changed to TBI or AeroCarb, some with success, some not so much.
Most of them (tractor configurations) did it to have manual control over mixture.
If that is your desire, installing a HACman on the Bing will accomplish
that, or even making your own is a fairly simple process. That said, I was able
to get the EGTs with the Bing exactly where they should be at cruise and full
power climb by installing Jabiru's economy tuning kit.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
>
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> no engine
> FOR SALE
>
> Diamond Katana DA20-A1
> Rotax 912 F3
>
> Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
> - Anonymous
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390740#390740
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Retrofitting inspection rings |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Wakata, all, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use any product containing silicone on any
painted surface or surface you will paint later. Silicone CANNOT be
removed, EVER! Silicone is like molecular ball bearings, you cannot remove
it by any method. Sanding or wiping simply spreads the contamination
around. Nothing sticks to it so any contaminated surface cannot be painted
effectively. Ask an autobody painter. They have a special primer that
attempts to encapsulate the silicone and it works well enough to get the
job out the door, but long term, the paint will come off.
I spent many days in Boeing training classes getting certified to inspect
sealing. Boeing practices complete segregation of silicone sealants and
tools that are used to apply them. Their only regular use for it is to
install windows and only then because they have never found anything that
will handle the temperature and pressurization cycling to which an
aircraft is subjected. Their painters hate the stuff almost as much as they
hate rivet tape.
If you're not convinced, do this experiment. Take some RTV and lay down a
bead on a piece of scrap and let it cure. Spray with primer and watch what
happens. The primer coagulates but doesn't stick.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 6:20 PM, wakataka wrote:
>
> Let me preface this by saying I haven't done it this way myself yet, but I
> really trust the guy who gave me the information. He's a Reno racer who's
> built or rebuilt more than a dozen fabric airplanes. He say's the best way
> to retrofit inspection ports is to use Liquid Nails silicone adhesive that
> you can buy at Home Depot. It doesn't wrinkle the paint like Polytak will
> do. He puts the adhesive on both inner and outer rings and then clamps them
> together using Cleco Clamps, which are small little clamps that you can set
> using Cleco pliers. You need a lot of clamps (maybe 10 or 12) to keep the
> rings from wrinkling. He's been doing it this way for many years and has
> done test sections on spare pieces of fabric to test the bond. He claims
> it's stronger than Polytak. I bought the materials to put in some
> inspection plates in my Firestar but haven't gotten around to doing it yet.
>
> --------
> There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
> returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
>
> Mark Twain
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390759#390759
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JC Gilpin <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com> |
Gday All,
Well, the adventure that started when I fell in love with a FireFly at
Oshkosh year before last, has finally ended.
Finally sold the aircraft to Jim and Edy in Florida, and wish them well
with it.
Now back to the routine at home in Australia......
The whole story is at http://jgwalkaboutusa.blogspot.com.au/ 525 photos
now.
A great adventure that I wouldn't have missed for anything!
Wishing all a Merry Christmas,
And lots of good flying weather in the new year.
John Gilpin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi John,
been following your adventures on the list from the UK. Good on yer.
Pouring with rain and cold in POngolia at the moment when you are
sitting there waxing your surfboard.
`Christmas in Australia is basically bloody nice`
Apropos of nothing, you are probably aware, in the hotbed of culture
that is Oz that there is a long poem called John Gilpins Ride. It
finishes with the line (roughly) Should there be such a ride again
May I be there to see.
I wish I had been in the States to see you.
You could always `do` Europe and the UK of course.
All the best
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Lockamy" <jacklockamy(at)comcast.net> |
Great job John! I thoroughly enjoyed the 'journey' through your photos and
captions. It's amazing to me more Americans don't have the same enthusiasm
to see this great country as do many of our foreign friends. Good on ya
Mate!
Jack in Key West
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JC Gilpin
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 3:34 AM
Subject: Kolb-List:
Gday All,
Well, the adventure that started when I fell in love with a FireFly at
Oshkosh year before last, has finally ended.
Finally sold the aircraft to Jim and Edy in Florida, and wish them well with
it.
Now back to the routine at home in Australia......
The whole story is at http://jgwalkaboutusa.blogspot.com.au/ 525 photos
now.
A great adventure that I wouldn't have missed for anything!
Wishing all a Merry Christmas,
And lots of good flying weather in the new year.
John Gilpin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi John,=0A=0AWishing you a wonderful "routine" back home in australia. Som
ehow, after having met you at Larry and Karen's Rock House in June, I can't
imagine anything you do as routine.=0A=0AMerry Everything and Happy Always
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se to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."=0A=0A=0A_______
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oyed the =98journey=99 through your photos and captions.=C2-
It=99s amazing to me more Americans don=99t have the same enthu
siasm to see this great country as do many of our foreign friends.=C2- Go
od on ya Mate!=0A=C2-=0AJack in Key West=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-kolb-list-
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the adventure that started when I fell in love with a FireFly at Oshkosh ye
ar before last, has finally ended.=0AFinally sold the aircraft to Jim and E
dy in Florida, and wish them well with it.=0ANow back to the routine at hom
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utusa.blogspot.com.au/ =C2-525 photos now.=0A=C2-=0AA great adventure t
hat I wouldn't have missed for anything!=0A=C2-=0AWishing all a Merry Chr
istmas,=0AAnd lots of good flying weather in the new year.=0A=C2-=0AJohn
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
John, A Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year to you. You're a lucky
bloke to be able to fly home to summer. :-}
If you go to an airshow and see the most beautiful Long EZ ever built say
hello to Wayne Blackler for me. She's silver and sleek and you can't miss
her on the flight line.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 2:33 AM, JC Gilpin wrote:
> Gday All,
>
> Well, the adventure that started when I fell in love with a FireFly at
> Oshkosh year before last, has finally ended.
> Finally sold the aircraft to Jim and Edy in Florida, and wish them well
> with it.
> Now back to the routine at home in Australia......
>
> The whole story is at http://jgwalkaboutusa.blogspot.com.au/ 525 photos
> now.
>
> A great adventure that I wouldn't have missed for anything!
>
> Wishing all a Merry Christmas,
> And lots of good flying weather in the new year.
>
> John Gilpin
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
Do many here on the list fly during the mid day? I know other fixed wings fly mid
day like a Cessna, but my concern is that a light plane like a KOLB will be
bounced around too much.
My current Powered Parachute flying is limited to morning or evening. I want to
be able to fly more times of the day then that.
Thanks,
Wes
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
I think you build up your tolerance for flying mid-day. Some people never e
njoy it and don't fly ever mid-day - I fly mid-day on a regular basis unles
s the wind gusts are more than I can tolerate. If it's gusting more than 15
mph I usually stay on the ground. On the other hand, I've flown in strong
but steady winds that are much higher. I fly fixed wing "fat ultralights" -
now registered LSA.=0A=0AArty Trost=0ASandy, Oregon=0A=0A=0Awww.LessonsFro
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ny here on the list fly during the mid day? I know other fixed wings fly mi
d day like a Cessna, but my concern is that a light plane like a KOLB will
be bounced around too much. =0A=0AMy current Powered Parachute flying is li
mited to morning or evening. I want to be able to fly more times of the day
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Wes
Unlike powered parachutes Kolbs in particular and LSAs in general can fly
mid day with no problems. I have when traveling (flying all day) strapped
aux fuel tank and camping gear down to keep them from flying around the
cockpit. These airplanes at least Kolb airplanes are very rugged. When I
fly for the fun of it, I fly mornings and evenings just like I do when I
rent a Piper or Cessna.
Rick Neilsen
1st redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 9:43 AM, alienwes wrote:
>
> Do many here on the list fly during the mid day? I know other fixed wings
> fly mid day like a Cessna, but my concern is that a light plane like a KOLB
> will be bounced around too much.
>
> My current Powered Parachute flying is limited to morning or evening. I
> want to be able to fly more times of the day then that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wes
>
> --------
> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390842#390842
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Do many here on the list fly during the mid day? I know other fixed wings
fly mid day like a Cessna, but my concern is that a light plane like a KOLB
will be bounced around too much.
My current Powered Parachute flying is limited to morning or evening. I want
to be able to fly more times of the day then that.
Thanks,
Wes
Wes/Kolbers:
Been a few days, but yes, we fly our Kolbs generally when we want to, unless
the wind is extreme. Extreme for me is anything over 15 mph. After that,
most small airplanes are uncomfortable to fly.
Was reminiscing a bit after I got an email from Russ Kinne telling me he had
gotten a new home in Maine. I looked up the location on the map which
sparked looking at a route I flew in my 1987 Firestar, summer of 1989. I
was visiting Bert and Ellen Howland, designer of the Howland line of
ultralights, in Maryland, NY, having flown there from Alabama in the
Firestar. Decided to fly the New England states while I was there.
I was able to fly New York, Connecticut, Road Island, Massachusetts, Maine,
New Hampshire, Vermont, and back to New York in one day, a flight of
approximately 546 miles, cruising at 60 to 65 mph. Highlight of that flight
was flying around, but not too close, President Bush's vacation home in
Kennebunkport, Maine.
I don't recall how many flight hours involved in that flight. Wind was not
a factor in whether I would fly or not. I departed Bert's grass strip early
in the morning and landed about 2100, just as it was getting dark. Perfect
timing. ;-)
By the way, had I driven to the same places, the trip would have been 710
miles and taken two days to complete.
Wish I could still fly like that. Discovered there was a lot of difference
between age of 50 and 73.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all the Kolbers out there.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Merry Christmas to you too John!=0A=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGl
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I flew in my 1987 Firestar, summer of 1989.- I=0A>was visiting Bert and
Ellen Howland, designer of the Howland line of=0A>ultralights, in Maryland,
NY, having flown there from Alabama in the=0A>Firestar.- Decided to fly
the New England states while I was there.=0A>=0A>I was able to fly New York
, Connecticut, Road Island, Massachusetts, Maine,=0A>New Hampshire, Vermont
, and back to New York in one day, a flight of=0A>approximately 546 miles,
cruising at 60 to 65 mph.- Highlight of that flight=0A>was flying around,
but not too close, President Bush's vacation home in=0A>Kennebunkport, Mai
ne.=0A>=0A>I don't recall how many flight hours involved in that flight.-
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n to the same places, the trip would have been 710=0A>miles and taken two d
ays to complete.=0A>=0A>Wish I could still fly like that.- Discovered the
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi Chris,
unless you are mixed up in Texas thermals or fly regularly in the
downdraft from a mountain wave system you can fly whever the wind is
below what you are comfortable with. You will soon establish that.
The Kolb will take more punishment than you will.
That said unless you really have places to go the morning and evening
flights are often the most enjoyable.
Pat
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| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
Wes,
I hear that winds in the Midwest really howl during the day. Even in the east,
where the winds are generally lighter during the day, most powered parachute
flying is still done near dawn or dusk. Sure, a 152 bounces around more than
a 172 and a Kolb bounces more than a 152 etc. Here, ultralights are flown all
day long. You will soon learn the limits of what you can tolerate and enjoy.
I am sure that, at the very least, your flying hours will be greatly extended
with a Kolb.
--------
Jerry King
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390874#390874
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
List, is there a Kolb pilot in coastal Maine or nearby NH? I'd like to make contact.
Russ
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Russ/Kolbers:
If you don't get results here, try searching the FAA Data Base for Kolbs in
the registered aircraft section.
You could also do a Google search for "Kolb aircraft Maine, NH.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
List, is there a Kolb pilot in coastal Maine or nearby NH? I'd like to make
contact.
Russ
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| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks group for all the responses.
I want to use a Fixed Wing to help scout Elk and Deer here in New Mexico in addition
to flying for fun. The Kolb seems like the best of both worlds for this
as I can fold the wings and still have a STOL aircraft. How does the KOLB handle
the backcountry takeoff/landings at high elevations?
Wes
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390886#390886
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| From: | "GeoB" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
> we fly our Kolbs generally when we want to
I have an '80's Firestar. Before I can fly it I need to finish re-covering it.
I am not a pilot, have a few lessons so far. Do you guys feel a lil apprehension
when flying in bumpy air? Do you start to wonder about just how strong are
those attachment points? Do you fly with a parachute? Do you sometimes long for
one? In bumpy air, could you idle the engine and soar? Assuming you aren't really
headed anywhere in particular.
A Wannabee just wondering, which is what I do best.
--------
GeoB
"Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers,
so we could identify their corporate sponsors"
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| From: | Sky Biker <smlplanet(at)msn.com> |
I can't speak for the high elevations being I am at sea level. I will say t
he Kolb has been good to me. Here I have the cow pastures=2C back roads and
sandy beaches to play with. Depending on which one you are looking at I wo
uld look closely at the steel legs=2C over sized tires and VG's
as they do make a big difference.
Skybiker MK3/912/ul
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Time of Day
> From: elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com
> Date: Mon=2C 24 Dec 2012 10:54:24 -0800
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Thanks group for all the responses.
>
> I want to use a Fixed Wing to help scout Elk and Deer here in New Mexico
in addition to flying for fun. The Kolb seems like the best of both worlds
for this as I can fold the wings and still have a STOL aircraft. How does t
he KOLB handle the backcountry takeoff/landings at high elevations?
>
> Wes
>
> --------
> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390886#390886
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
How does the KOLB handle the backcountry takeoff/landings at high
elevations?
Wes
Wes/Kolbers:
Done a little bit of flying out West, as well as my old buddy John
Williamson. Many years ago John and I were flying from Alamosa, CO, to
Farmington, NM. Best way to get there was direct over the Rockies. John
hit 15,000 feet and I was at 14,500 feet when we decided we had plenty
altitude to clear the mountains.
I have flown West from Alabama every year since 2003, except 2010. Those
flights have seen 12,000 to 13,000 feet many times.
In 2008 John W and I flew some of the Idaho back country airstrips. One of
those was Soldiers Bar. It is pretty much back country:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mqPLT1z4c
.
STEEP CANYON WALLS IN ALL DRCTNS.
.
ARPT ON BENCH 500 FT ABOVE BIG CREEK ON S SIDE.
.
CABIN CREEK ARPT APPROX 7 MILES WEST UP BIG CREEK CANYON.
.
WEST 1/3 OF RY HAS 4 DEG SLOPE DOWN TO THE NORTH.
.
GO-AROUNDS NOT RECOMMENDED.
.
NO TELEPHONE AVBL AT ARPT.
.
THR MARKED WITH ROCKS.
This was a very exciting, rough, place to land.
I also land on river sand bars from Alabama to the North Slope of Alaska,
hay fields, dirt roads, paved roads ;-), and parking lots. Well...I have
landed in parking lots back in my UL days, but have matured just a little
bit and don't do that anymore. However, if I had to, I know I could do it.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Depending on which one you are looking at I would look closely at the
steel legs, over sized tires and VG's
as they do make a big difference.
Skybiker MK3/912/ul
I don't have VGs on my Kolb, although I have flown other Kolbs equipped with
them.
Saying "as they do make a big difference" could mean a lot of things.
What did they do for your MKIII?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Wes,
I generally let others with more experience answer most of the questions
about Kolbs and their flight characteristics. However I have done a bit of
scouting for Elk, Deer and Antelope, so I know a bit about this subject.
I fly a Firestar II with VG's and a HKS four stroke engine, and have the
bigger tires and steel gear legs. All of this is in response to trial and
error, mostly error on my part. Three of them so far. I do not have a chute.
Most if not all of your flights over hostile terrain will be at or about 60
+ MPH. Any and all landings with my set up will be initiated at 50 MPH with
a stall coming at 32 or so MPH.
At that speed even over open ground, if the critter is not moving, you most
likely will not see it. You will however be able to find the routes that
will take you to any part of the "hunting or fishing" area that you want
with ease, and eliminate a lot of bumping around on the ground. You will
also know the area better than even a native in a much shorter time. The
handy part of it as you mentioned is that you can trailer it in to the area
that you want to scout, take off on a dirt road, and return there when you
are done.
Landings in undeveloped country is another matter. What looks really good
from the air, just might mean that you are either going to have to do
repairs or walk out if you are able. I carry a roll of duct tape, good
first aid kit, and a Spot locator with tracking, in an attempt to cover any
stupid thoughts that I might entertain. I have landed out several times,
but I have also chickened out many many more times. I guess it all depends
on the area and how bad you want to walk around. Any sort of developed
strip will be no problem. A single dirt road with enough clearance and
distance is not that much of a problem either. Just keep in mind that what
seemed like a good idea at the time, can be a source of serious consequence
if things go wrong.
The Kolb in all its various manifestations are in my opinion the best
compromise that you can get. If I had to wreck my plane, I would rather be
in a Kolb than any thing else. It is strong and will fly you to safety
given half a chance. :-) The Kolb will tolerate rough air much better than
you ever will. It isn't fun, but it is possible.
Larry
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:54 AM, alienwes wrote:
>
> Thanks group for all the responses.
>
> I want to use a Fixed Wing to help scout Elk and Deer here in New Mexico
> in addition to flying for fun. The Kolb seems like the best of both worlds
> for this as I can fold the wings and still have a STOL aircraft. How does
> the KOLB handle the backcountry takeoff/landings at high elevations?
>
> Wes
>
> --------
> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390886#390886
>
>
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*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
I don't mind flying in bumpy air; actually I enjoy it. For me the limiting
factor to that enjoyment is the sluggish aileron response of my Ultrastar
which can get dicey landing on a gusty day, and the wind I can handle while
folding the wings. But I also fly PPG, so when I got the Ultrastar it was
refreshing to fly all day and not really worry about getting caught upstairs.
Dana
At 02:17 PM 12/24/2012, GeoB wrote:
>I have an '80's Firestar. Before I can fly it I need to finish re-covering
>it. I am not a pilot, have a few lessons so far. Do you guys feel a lil
>apprehension when flying in bumpy air? Do you start to wonder about just
>how strong are those attachment points? Do you fly with a parachute? Do
>you sometimes long for one? In bumpy air, could you idle the engine and
>soar? Assuming you aren't really headed anywhere in particular.
--
Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
The Kolb in all its various manifestations are in my opinion the best
compromise that you can get. If I had to wreck my plane, I would rather be
in a Kolb than any thing else. It is strong and will fly you to safety given
half a chance. :-) The Kolb will tolerate rough air much better than you
ever will. It isn't fun, but it is possible.
Larry
Kolbers:
These are extremely good points made by Larry C.
Crashworthiness is worth its weight in gold when you need it. Never been
injured in a Kolb crash, other than my pride and my pocket book.
Like Larry, I have aborted far more off field landings than I have made.
The only one I should have aborted and didn't was across the Alaska Highway
from Rocky Mountain Lodge, Muncho Lake, British Columbia. That one resulted
in tearing up my airplane and spending a month traveling to Alabama for
recovery vehicle, return to Muncho Lake, and then get the MKIII back home.
Sure wish I had aborted that one. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "GeoB" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
> the limiting factor to that enjoyment is the sluggish aileron response of my
Ultrastar.
Does my Firestar-I have better aileron response than your ultrastar? The ailerons
look huge on mine!
GeoB
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GeoB
"Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers,
so we could identify their corporate sponsors"
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
What did they do for your MKIII?>>
What the VG`s did for mine John was to make it legal by lowering the
stalling speed enough to comply with the UK rules.
Without them we would have no Xtra`s on the market here.
Merry Christmas from a very waterlogged UK
Pat
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
In bumpy air, could you idle the engine and soar?>>
Depends what is causing the bumps.If it is thermals YES is the answer. Given
a strong enough thermal you can soar a barn door. Certainly a couple of
knots on the variometer is enough to scrape with a bit of engine. Given 4
knots you can climb with dead idle (or engine off if you are good enough and
have enough confidence in your starting the engine again.)
You need some gliding experience. Otherwise find a ridge with the wind
deflected over it. Cut the engine and stay up all day.
Merry Christmas
Pat
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 05:14 PM 12/24/2012, GeoB wrote:
>
> > the limiting factor to that enjoyment is the sluggish aileron response
> of my Ultrastar.
>
>Does my Firestar-I have better aileron response than your ultrastar? The
>ailerons look huge on mine!
It should... the problem with the Ultrastar is the wing itself twists, so
the ailerons like a trim tab, the wing twists the other way and partially
cancels it out. I believe the Firestar's wing is stiffer due to a
different wing root attachment. The ailerons on the US actually work worse
the faster you go.
-Dana
--
Ever notice there's no crime at a shooting range?
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| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
As John has suggested, I performed the search for you using the Landings.com Aircraft
Database. These are public records.
N-number : N182EZ
Aircraft Serial Number : FS 645
Aircraft Manufacturer : KOLB
Model : FIRESTAR 11
Engine Manufacturer : ROTAX
Model : 503 DCDI
Aircraft Year : 1997
Owner Name : KANE LAWRENCE J
Owner Address : 18 FROST ST
SPRINGVALE, ME, 040831431
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : 20-Sep-2005
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations :
N-number : N3698V
Aircraft Serial Number : M1070
Aircraft Manufacturer : KOLB
Model : MARK III
Engine Manufacturer : ROTAX
Model : 912UL
Aircraft Year : 1996
Owner Name : TEDRICK PHILLIP D
Owner Address : 30 CHURCH RD
READFIELD, ME, 043553730
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : 12-Sep-2011
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations :
N-number : N682FS
Aircraft Serial Number : FS682
Aircraft Manufacturer : KOLB AIRCRAFT
Model : FIRESTAR II
Engine Manufacturer : ROTAX
Model : 503 DCDI
Aircraft Year : 1998
Owner Name : BARNES RICHARD S
Owner Address : 26 CHURCH ST
GOFFSTOWN, NH, 030451703
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : 16-Dec-2010
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
--------
Jerry King
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Jerry, many many many thanx. That info will be very useful to me.
Have a great flying 2013!
Fair winds,
Russ
On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:49 AM, racerjerry wrote:
>
> As John has suggested, I performed the search for you using the Landings.com
Aircraft Database. These are public records.
>
> N-number : N182EZ
> Aircraft Serial Number : FS 645
> Aircraft Manufacturer : KOLB
> Model : FIRESTAR 11
> Engine Manufacturer : ROTAX
> Model : 503 DCDI
> Aircraft Year : 1997
> Owner Name : KANE LAWRENCE J
> Owner Address : 18 FROST ST
> SPRINGVALE, ME, 040831431
> Type of Owner : Individual
> Registration Date : 20-Sep-2005
> Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
> Approved Operations :
>
> N-number : N3698V
> Aircraft Serial Number : M1070
> Aircraft Manufacturer : KOLB
> Model : MARK III
> Engine Manufacturer : ROTAX
> Model : 912UL
> Aircraft Year : 1996
> Owner Name : TEDRICK PHILLIP D
> Owner Address : 30 CHURCH RD
> READFIELD, ME, 043553730
> Type of Owner : Individual
> Registration Date : 12-Sep-2011
> Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
> Approved Operations :
>
> N-number : N682FS
> Aircraft Serial Number : FS682
> Aircraft Manufacturer : KOLB AIRCRAFT
> Model : FIRESTAR II
> Engine Manufacturer : ROTAX
> Model : 503 DCDI
> Aircraft Year : 1998
> Owner Name : BARNES RICHARD S
> Owner Address : 26 CHURCH ST
> GOFFSTOWN, NH, 030451703
> Type of Owner : Individual
> Registration Date : 16-Dec-2010
> Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
>
> --------
> Jerry King
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
>
>Do many here on the list fly during the mid day? I know other fixed wings
fly mid day like a Cessna, but my concern is that a light plane like a KOLB
will be bounced around too much.
>
>My current Powered Parachute flying is limited to morning or evening. I
want to be able to fly more times of the day then that.
>
Wes,
I have found that if my back does not come off the seat and if my rear does
not move relative to the fuselage, I am comfortable flying in unstable air.
I use a five point seat belt harness. See: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly78.html
The original FireFly design used 15 inch chord ailerons which were
impossible to deflect at cruise speed. On cross country flights this
ensured you arrived with a sore shoulder and an upset stomach due to
continuous dutch rolls to pick up the falling wing. By shortening the
aileron chord to 9 inches and reworking the aileron actuation mechanism, I
am able, by using two fingers on the stick, to keep the wings level in rough
air at cruise. See: http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly26.html
With these changes, the FireFly is a good rough air flyer. Aileron response
is excellent and, it forward and side slip very well with little stick
pressure. When I am going some where, I cruise at 2,000 to 3,000 feet agl
where I find the air smoother and gives me more options if the engine quits.
The roughest art of the flight will be climb out and let down. I keep the
speed around 40 mphi and only worry about keeping the wings level. I can
take a lot of bouncing as long as I feel that I have immediate control
response.
Flying comfortably in rough air is an acquired skill. I developed it by
flying the pattern, starting with quiet wind days and then flew additional
flights on days when the wind was progressively higher.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Websites and 912's |
| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello Group,
Researching and I like the Mark III. See two of them on barnstormers with 912's
for sale. I am still atleast a year off from purchasing anything but am trying
to get informed. Are there any other sites to find classifieds for small airplanes
like the KOLB?
Also, what do you think the percentage of Mark III's have 912's on them?
Wes
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> |
i just did some work on phill tedrecks from reidfield russ that has a 912 8
0 hp on it
Ellery Batchelder Jr.
-----Original Message-----
From: russk50(at)gmail.com
Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2012 4:28 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: q
Jerry, many many many thanx. That info will be very useful to me.
Have a great flying 2013!
Fair winds,
Russ
On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:49 AM, racerjerry wrote:
>
> As John has suggested, I performed the search for you using the Landings.
com
Aircraft Database. These are public records.
>
> N-number : N182EZ
> Aircraft Serial Number : FS 645
> Aircraft Manufacturer : KOLB
> Model : FIRESTAR 11
> Engine Manufacturer : ROTAX
> Model : 503 DCDI
> Aircraft Year : 1997
> Owner Name : KANE LAWRENCE J
> Owner Address : 18 FROST ST
> SPRINGVALE, ME, 040831431
> Type of Owner : Individual
> Registration Date : 20-Sep-2005
> Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
> Approved Operations :
>
> N-number : N3698V
> Aircraft Serial Number : M1070
> Aircraft Manufacturer : KOLB
> Model : MARK III
> Engine Manufacturer : ROTAX
> Model : 912UL
> Aircraft Year : 1996
> Owner Name : TEDRICK PHILLIP D
> Owner Address : 30 CHURCH RD
> READFIELD, ME, 043553730
> Type of Owner : Individual
> Registration Date : 12-Sep-2011
> Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
> Approved Operations :
>
> N-number : N682FS
> Aircraft Serial Number : FS682
> Aircraft Manufacturer : KOLB AIRCRAFT
> Model : FIRESTAR II
> Engine Manufacturer : ROTAX
> Model : 503 DCDI
> Aircraft Year : 1998
> Owner Name : BARNES RICHARD S
> Owner Address : 26 CHURCH ST
> GOFFSTOWN, NH, 030451703
> Type of Owner : Individual
> Registration Date : 16-Dec-2010
> Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
>
> --------
> Jerry King
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390958#390958
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "CaliPaul" <paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com> |
Hello,
My name is Paul and I am new to California. Moved here for the job and I love flying.
I've been flying GA for several years but sold my plane a while back. I
would like to find something I can take home each day after flying and save the
hanger rent. I'm interested in the Mark 3 X with a 912(used to the engine)
but would consider other aircraft. If anyone is from the area I would love to
meet up and buy a cup of coffee.
Thanks
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391084#391084
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| From: | "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net> |
Iam not from your area but I am sure transportation could be arranged
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CaliPaul
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Antioch, CA
Hello,
My name is Paul and I am new to California. Moved here for the job and I
love flying. I've been flying GA for several years but sold my plane a while
back. I would like to find something I can take home each day after flying
and save the hanger rent. I'm interested in the Mark 3 X with a 912(used to
the engine) but would consider other aircraft. If anyone is from the area I
would love to meet up and buy a cup of coffee.
Thanks
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391084#391084
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| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
Barnstormers has two 912 Mark III listed in December. Maybe look into one of those?
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Paul
You can't do much better than a Kolb depending its mission. It is a STOL
airplane that is not real fast.
I think they advertise that a MKIIIX can be folded up in 15-30 minutes but
it is a hassle that most of us don't do every time we fly. If you do you
will not fly much. Setting it up takes longer because you need to make sure
everything is right. I used to have a private short strip next to my home
with a hanger and that was ideal. It pains me to say I moved and now keep
it at a local airport. For a few years I folded the plane, loaded it in my
enclosed trailer and hauled it home in Michigan for the 6 months I spend in
Florida. Any way now I fold the plane up for the winter in the shared
hanger for reduced rent. One winter I pulled the plane to Florida with my
Toyota Sienna but that was a real pain pulling that long trailer. It added
a day to traveling time and hanger space in Florida is more than twice the
Michigan cost so it stays home now.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM, CaliPaul wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Paul and I am new to California. Moved here for the job and I
> love flying. I've been flying GA for several years but sold my plane a
> while back. I would like to find something I can take home each day after
> flying and save the hanger rent. I'm interested in the Mark 3 X with a
> 912(used to the engine) but would consider other aircraft. If anyone is
> from the area I would love to meet up and buy a cup of coffee.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391084#391084
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
All, A customer for one of my propeller extensions required 100mm length
8mm X 1.25 for his prop. Standard 8.8 metric hex head. I order from my bolt
supplier in lots of 25 so I have three sets left. The shank is 2.85" long.
Each set is complete with AN 960-5 washers and your choice of flanged or
regular nylock jam nuts. $13 a set includes shipping.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
I found this video on the KOLB website. Shows how easy it is to fold the wings.
http://www.kolbaircraft.com/foldingwings.htm
He does it in 11 minutes and I am sure one could do it faster. Compared to unpacking
and laying out a PPC parachute wing I would say it is comparable. I have
read of some KOLB owners who are very happy to fold and unfold everytime. Some
of the steps are part of a a good preflight checklist as well.
Wes
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | "CaliPaul" <paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com> |
Wes,
That was the best video I've seen in showing the steps involved. I must have overlooked
it on their website when browsing it prior. Thanks for sharing.
Over the course of time I have heard folks say that it really takes them 30-60
minutes to fold or unfold the wings however based off of this I'm going to guess
it is more of the whole preflight or unloading off a trailer that maybe draws
out that time. I'm now pretty confident my 14yr old son and I could do this
by ourselves.
Paul
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| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Wes
Just trying to help. Sorry thought you were asking.
With the wings folded the tail is overloaded and the ground clearance is
very low. To move it home you need a long trailer and it needs to be loaded
on the trailer so maybe that is the rest of the story.
Check out the following web site
http://www.oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm for trailer ideas. Also
consider that most of these trailers require a big
tow vehicle.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:19 AM, alienwes wrote:
>
> I found this video on the KOLB website. Shows how easy it is to fold the
> wings.
>
> http://www.kolbaircraft.com/foldingwings.htm
>
> He does it in 11 minutes and I am sure one could do it faster. Compared to
> unpacking and laying out a PPC parachute wing I would say it is comparable.
> I have read of some KOLB owners who are very happy to fold and unfold
> everytime. Some of the steps are part of a a good preflight checklist as
> well.
>
> Wes
>
> --------
> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391140#391140
>
>
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| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
I unfold then refold my MkIIIC (Rotax 912ULS) each time I fly. Back in
2007, I made this video (which isn't so much an instruction as it is a
demonstration):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGblkR8cdYE
It takes about 20 minutes to unfold, and about 25 minutes to refold my Kolb.
I have a trailer but only use it rarely for transportation. Normally, my
Kolb is rolled up into my large workshop, which only takes a couple of
minutes.
-- Robert
P.S. I'm thinking about selling it.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:07 AM, CaliPaul wrote:
>
> Wes,
>
> That was the best video I've seen in showing the steps involved. I must
> have overlooked it on their website when browsing it prior. Thanks for
> sharing.
>
> Over the course of time I have heard folks say that it really takes them
> 30-60 minutes to fold or unfold the wings however based off of this I'm
> going to guess it is more of the whole preflight or unloading off a trailer
> that maybe draws out that time. I'm now pretty confident my 14yr old son
> and I could do this by ourselves.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391144#391144
>
>
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| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
Another cool video on folding/unfolding! The time lapsed fast speed was cool. Have
you posted your KOLB for sale yet or still unsure?
Wes
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
It's not yet posted. I'm currently replacing the brake cylinders... when
that's done, I'll post it.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:19 AM, alienwes wrote:
>
> Another cool video on folding/unfolding! The time lapsed fast speed was
> cool. Have you posted your KOLB for sale yet or still unsure?
>
> Wes
>
> --------
> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391154#391154
>
>
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
It takes me 10 minutes to unfold my Ultrastar, starting with unlocking the
trailer. I fold/unfold every time I fly. I keep the plane in the trailer
at the airport for the outdoor tiedown rate which is far cheaper than a
hangar, and tow it home only to work on it or for winter storage. Add a
few more minutes if it's tied down inside the trailer for towing. Here's
another video of the process:
-Dana
At 11:07 AM 12/29/2012, CaliPaul wrote:
>
>Wes,
>
>That was the best video I've seen in showing the steps involved. I must
>have overlooked it on their website when browsing it prior. Thanks for sharing.
>
>Over the course of time I have heard folks say that it really takes them
>30-60 minutes to fold or unfold the wings however based off of this I'm
>going to guess it is more of the whole preflight or unloading off a
>trailer that maybe draws out that time. I'm now pretty confident my 14yr
>old son and I could do this by ourselves.
--
If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com> |
It takes me exactly 2 mins and 51 secs to unfold, trailer, fold, and store
my Firefly- :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqSVwTGYO6o
I also live 0.40 miles from Dallas Bay Skypark (1a0) so I keep my Firefly a
t home in the carport. I have a very simple modified T-trailer.
Phil H
FF11-4-76
--- On Sat, 12/29/12, Dana Hague wrote:
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Antioch, CA
Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 1:08 PM
=0AIt takes me 10 minutes to unfold my Ultrastar, starting with=0Aunlocking
the trailer.- I fold/unfold every time I fly.- I keep=0Athe plane in t
he trailer at the airport for the outdoor tiedown rate=0Awhich is far cheap
er than a hangar, and tow it home only to work on it or=0Afor winter storag
e.- Add a few more minutes if it's tied down inside=0Athe trailer for tow
ing.- Here's another video of the=0Aprocess:
=0A
=0A-Dana
=0AAt 11:07 AM 12/29/2012, CaliPaul wrote:
=0AWes,
=0AThat was the best video I've seen in showing the steps involved. I must
=0Ahave overlooked it on their website when browsing it prior. Thanks for
=0Asharing.
=0AOver the course of time I have heard folks say that it really takes them
=0A30-60 minutes to fold or unfold the wings however based off of this I'm
=0Agoing to guess it is more of the whole preflight or unloading off a=0Atr
ailer that maybe draws out that time. I'm now pretty confident my 14yr=0Aol
d son and I could do this by ourselves.
=0A--=0AIf ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy=0Apeople?--
=========================0A
====================0A=0A
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| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
Phil, Dana,
Nice Vids! I noticed someone commented on youtube that they were jealous because
there MX was difficult to fold. I was initially researching the Quicksilver
line but was turned off by the lack of tranportability.
Wes
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Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | "Eddie" <e.bayliss(at)blueyonder.co.uk> |
Hi I am a uk kolb owner. I keep mine at the airfield folded in its trailer
as there is no available hangarage , and unfold /fold every time I fly and
15 mins is about right to unfold on my own and do a thorough pre flight
inspection .I could do it faster but I would rather do it in a leisurely
careful manner and then not be worried Ive missed something . Once you get
used to the routine its not really a big deal. I have friends here who keep
their aircraft rigged in the open with covers on and they can get the covers
off faster than I can rig my plane , but then, I can de rig and be away
before they have all their covers back on and the plane tied down. Sure I
would like to just roll her out of a hanger and fly but that is not
available in my area unless I pay at least three times the airfield fees(
currently flying from a farm at Ince blundell just north of Liverpool uk )
and also would miss the good friends at this microlight ( ultralight for
you ) club . Dont let the folding and unfolding put you of owning a kolb and
make sure you have a good checklist ( I'm sure otheres here could help you
far better than I with a proven checklist ) for your rigging to fly and you
wont go far wrong
Eddie Bayliss
kolb mk111c
582 rotax
arplast prop
----- Original Message -----
From: "CaliPaul" <paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:07 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Antioch, CA
>
> Wes,
>
> That was the best video I've seen in showing the steps involved. I must
> have overlooked it on their website when browsing it prior. Thanks for
> sharing.
>
> Over the course of time I have heard folks say that it really takes them
> 30-60 minutes to fold or unfold the wings however based off of this I'm
> going to guess it is more of the whole preflight or unloading off a
> trailer that maybe draws out that time. I'm now pretty confident my 14yr
> old son and I could do this by ourselves.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391144#391144
>
>
>
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| From: | Viorel Nichols <viorel.nichols(at)yahoo.com> |
Away on holiday from the 22 December 2012 till 29 January 2013
Wishing you a happy festive season .
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
from
Viorel ...
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Hi I am a uk kolb owner. Eddie Bayliss kolb mk111c
Hi Eddie B/Kolbers:
Good to see you posting.
Hope all is well with you and the rest of the Kolbers in the
UK.
Happy New Year to all,
john h
mkIII
Woodville, FL
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| From: | "Eddie" <e.bayliss(at)blueyonder.co.uk> |
Thanks John
and the same to all on the list ,I dont post much but am lurking around and
usually learning something all the time
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| Subject: | Non-Kolb related request for help |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Any Kolbers in the Wilmington - New Bern coastal area? Especially Holly Ridge/
Topsail Island?
If so, I need some help, please contact me off list richard(at)bcchapel.org
Thanks,
rp
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
A neighbor of mine suggested a NACA report about simplified propeller
design written by Fred Weick (designer of the Ercoupe, among other work)
and while I was searching the database I found the attached report. Given
the thick wing and the testing of both tractor and pusher configurations I
thought some of you might enjoy it, too.
Rick Girard
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Light reading |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Rick,
I finally got through it. Interesting reading. Thanks for posting.
I don't recall ever seeing an airplane with wing mounted engine and extension shaft,
either pusher or tractor, but there probably are some. The BD-5 comes to
mind for fuselage mounted pusher with extension shaft.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
no engine
FOR SALE
Diamond Katana DA20-A1
Rotax 912 F3
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: Light reading |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Thom, The ill-fated Brabazon airliner built by the British following World
War II used the technology from the report. It had a total of eight engines
in four pairs buried in the wings. Each pair drove contrarotating
propellers through a gearbox and an extension shaft. They only built one. I
think it takes the prize as the largest tail dragger ever built. It had
such a long takeoff run that they had to level a village to extend the
runway adjacent to the factory where it was built.
Rick
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> Rick,
> I finally got through it. Interesting reading. Thanks for posting.
>
> I don't recall ever seeing an airplane with wing mounted engine and
> extension shaft, either pusher or tractor, but there probably are some. The
> BD-5 comes to mind for fuselage mounted pusher with extension shaft.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
>
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> no engine
> FOR SALE
>
> Diamond Katana DA20-A1
> Rotax 912 F3
>
> Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
> - Anonymous
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391334#391334
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
-HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL YOU KOLBERS (how did we ever get to 2013?=0AChris Dav
is=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly
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| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
Are there any other KOLB forums on the internet that are popular?
Wes
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 06:45 PM 1/3/2013, alienwes wrote:
>
>Are there any other KOLB forums on the internet that are popular?
There's the
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KolbUltrastar>kolbultrastar
yahoo group, dedicated to the "high boom" Kolbs and not as busy as this
one, and the <http://www.wingsforum.com/viewforum.php?f=180>Kolb forum on
the Wings forum, which sees little traffic.
-Dana
--
Some people have a large circle of friends, while others have only friends
that they like.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Are there any other KOLB forums on the internet that are popular?
Wes
Wes/Kolbers:
Ask a few questions. Maybe we can find some answers.
Usually, January and February are very slow months for the Kolb Builders and
Flyers List.
john h
mkIII - 3,197.7 hours airframe
912ULS - 629.2 hours engine
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi Eddie,
anybody Liverpool way want to buy my Mark 3 Xtra with Jabiru>
Less than 100 hours and she has just been sitting (hangared) since the last
C of A as I am medically grounded. Not because I can`t fly but because I
cannot now handle the pulley hauley on the ground, pushing in and out of the
hangar, handling fuel etc.
No reasonable (or unreasonable) offer refused.
An absolute snip for someone. The kit alone is around 17K. I shall be
starting to advertise again now with Spring just around the corner (heh heh)
Happy New Year
Pat
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| From: | "CaliPaul" <paulandgeorgia(at)gmail.com> |
I'm interested. Pvt email sent.
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| From: | "Eddie" <e.bayliss(at)blueyonder.co.uk> |
Hi Pat
not that I know of. Most people shy away from the tail wheel in these parts
.there have only been a couple of pilots here I have been able to persuade
to try mine and they all run back to their nose wheel aircraft .Cant for the
life of me think why but there you go.
I will repeat my offer if your ever in this end of the country look me up
and we will go and have a potteraround the local area and get you a kolb fix
Eddie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Antioch, CA
>
> Hi Eddie,
> anybody Liverpool way want to buy my Mark 3 Xtra with Jabiru>
>
> Less than 100 hours and she has just been sitting (hangared) since the
> last C of A as I am medically grounded. Not because I can`t fly but
> because I cannot now handle the pulley hauley on the ground, pushing in
> and out of the hangar, handling fuel etc.
>
> No reasonable (or unreasonable) offer refused.
>
> An absolute snip for someone. The kit alone is around 17K. I shall be
> starting to advertise again now with Spring just around the corner (heh
> heh)
>
> Happy New Year
>
> Pat
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
they all run back to their nose wheel aircraft >>
Hi Eddie,
I still have a sticker on my car which says `Real pilots fly taildraggers`
Cheers
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
Paul,
I suspect that you don`t want to come to the UK to look at my Kolb.
Sorry about that.
Of course if you DO. I am in the South of England and nowhere near
Liverpool.
Liverpool is in the uncouth Northern part of England where they talk funny
and put salt on their porridge.
(Sorry Eddie)
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com> |
I am soliciting opinions on the engines for the Kolb. I know this is going to vary.
Do any of the engines have problems overheating in the pusher configuration of
the KOLB?
Which engine is the most reliable? 912?
Is the 582 a bit underpowered in the Mark III?
If you had a choice without consideration for the price differences, what engine
would you choose?
Wes
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391641#391641
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
I am soliciting opinions on the engines for the Kolb. I know this is going
to vary.
Do any of the engines have problems overheating in the pusher configuration
of the KOLB?
Which engine is the most reliable? 912?
Is the 582 a bit underpowered in the Mark III?
If you had a choice without consideration for the price differences, what
engine would you choose?
Wes
--------
Wesley Elliott
Wes E/Kolbers:
I have never had an overheating problem with any of the Rotax or Cuyuna
engines on Kolb aircraft.
The 912 series engines are extremely reliable. I have been flying the 912
since 1994, before it was designated the 912UL. Presently flying with a
912ULS.
The 582 has plenty power to fly the MKIII. That was my initial power plant
on my MKIII. Lasted 220 hours before it seized. Suspected cold seizure.
Thermostat was probably the contributing factor.
I have flown well over 3,000 hours in front of the 912 series engines. That
is the engine I choose to fly with.
912 is low maintenance. Change the oil, spark plugs, and clean the air
filters, and you are good to go.
john h
Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
" I have been flying the 912 since 1994, before it was designated the
912UL "
Not enough coffee this morning. Been flying the 912's since 1992, 21 years
this coming March 15.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan <dan42101(at)yahoo.com> |
A cure for the cold-seize-on the 582... -Manual radiator shutters.
-You can even install a Vernier throttle cable to control them, then you
can eliminate the thermostat altogether.-http://www.ultralightnews.com/fe
atures/radshutters.htm
Cold seize story... -http://www.reocities.com/hester-hoptown/582Tips/582t
ips.html
You will have to hold the mouse button down and drag to make the text show
through the black "reocities" overlay...
--- On Sat, 1/5/13, John Hauck wrote:
From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Engines
Date: Saturday, January 5, 2013, 8:03 AM
I am soliciting opinions on the engines for the Kolb. I know this is going
to vary.
Do any of the engines have problems overheating in the pusher configuration
of the KOLB?
Which engine is the most reliable? 912?
Is the 582 a bit underpowered in the Mark III?
If you had a choice without consideration for the price differences, what
engine would you choose?
Wes
--------
Wesley Elliott
Wes E/Kolbers:
I have never had an overheating problem with any of the Rotax or Cuyuna
engines on Kolb aircraft.
The 912 series engines are extremely reliable.- I have been flying the 91
2
since 1994, before it was designated the 912UL.- Presently flying with a
912ULS.
The 582 has plenty power to fly the MKIII.- That was my initial power pla
nt
on my MKIII.- Lasted 220 hours before it seized.- Suspected cold seizur
e.
Thermostat was probably the contributing factor.
I have flown well over 3,000 hours in front of the 912 series engines.- T
hat
is the engine I choose to fly with.
912 is low maintenance.- Change the oil, spark plugs, and clean the air
filters, and you are good to go.
john h
Titus, Alabama
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
A cure for the coldseizeon the 582... Manual radiator shutters. You can
even install a Vernier throttle cable to control them, then you can
eliminate the thermostat altogether.
http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/radshutters.htm
Kolbers:
I cured the problem. After I rebuilt the 582, I traded it for an 80 hp 912.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Wes, The 582 has more than enough power for the Mk III C or X. I own a C
and flew the X for a bit while restoring it for the owner. The problem is
fuel cost. Even Rotax fuel comsumption graph shows a 5 gallon an hour fuel
burn at 5800 rpm. Mine burns that no matter what I do. Then add the cost of
oil, a bit less than a quart per hour and you're looking at $20 an hour to
fly as long gas remains in the low $3 a gallon range.
For cost and power, it's hard to beat the VW, although it's heavy compared
to the 912.
Having owned an HKS for seven years on my trike, that would be my engine of
choice for purchase cost, weight, and low operating cost, but I have not
tried it yet.
The most important thing with a Mk III is weight. Keep it below 550 lb and
performance with a 582 is great. Over 600 lb. and it is less.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 8:07 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> " I have been flying the 912 since 1994, before it was designated the
> 912UL "
>
>
> Not enough coffee this morning. Been flying the 912's since 1992, 21 years
> this coming March 15.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Wes
I was the first to fly a direct drive and now redrive VW on a Kolb. Its a
good engine but if money was no object I would have put a Rotax 912 on it.
Yes the VW has over heating problems on the ground. I have to limit run
time on the ground but get airborne where air is moving through the cooling
system there are no problems. But the VW is not sold as a engine package,
it is easy to built and run these engines at high power levels that will
overpower their ability to stay cool even in the air. Anything over 80-90
HP continuous is likely to over heat.
I have no doubt that I will get flamed for this but The old reliable 912
isn't completely without issues. I just found out that the 912 powered
Sport Cruisers that I normally rent in Florida have been sold because they
just required too much maintenance. It seems that the high frequency
vibration from these engines causes a bunch of metal fatigue issues
with exhaust systems and other systems on and around these engines. Talk to
any 912 driver that has any significant hours on their engines and they
will report similar problems. Compared to higher RPM 2 stroke engines the
issue is almost non existent. But compared to low RPM direct drive GA
engines it is a problem.
As usual worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 8:32 AM, alienwes wrote:
>
> I am soliciting opinions on the engines for the Kolb. I know this is going
> to vary.
>
> Do any of the engines have problems overheating in the pusher
> configuration of the KOLB?
>
> Which engine is the most reliable? 912?
>
> Is the 582 a bit underpowered in the Mark III?
>
> If you had a choice without consideration for the price differences, what
> engine would you choose?
>
> Wes
>
> --------
> Wesley Elliott
> Sport Pilot-PPC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391641#391641
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
I have no doubt that I will getflamedfor this but The old reliable 912
isn'tcompletelywithout issues. I just found out that the 912 powered Sport
Cruisers that I normally rent in Florida have been sold because they just
required too much maintenance. It seems that the high frequency vibration
from these engines causes a bunch of metal fatigue issues
withexhaustsystems and other systems on and around these engines. Talk to
any 912 driver that has any significant hours on their engines and they will
reportsimilarproblems.Comparedto higher RPM 2 stroke engines the issue
is almost nonexistent. Butcomparedto low RPM direct drive GA enginesit
is a problem.
As usual worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Rick N/Kolbers:
I've been doing this a long time, both two and four stroke engines.
The old reliable 912 is just that. If the aircraft you reference had
vibration problems, it was caused by prop balance and/or engine mounts. Not
the engine, unless they let the carbs get excessively out of sync. As I
said in an earlier post, the 912 is a low maintenance engine.
Don't know if I am a high time 912 owner or not, but over 3,000.0 hours of
912 time in my MKIII, plus quite a few hours in Kolb Factory aircraft
powered by the 912, over the years, I have not experienced the problems you
describe.
This is the first time I have heard of this problem with the 912 series
engines.
Based on my experience, there is no comparison between a two and four stroke
Rotax.
I personally prefer the 912 over a GA recip engine, and that is based on
actual flight experience over some very hostile terrain in the Lower 48,
Canada, and Alaska.
You probably don't have a lot of actual experience flying a 912 powered Kolb
aircraft.
Because an engine is designed to operate at higher rpm's does not mean it is
going to tear itself apart. That is the mentality that a lot of GA types
have when comparing a slow turning Lycoming or Continental. The torsion
vibration of a 912 is controlled by a very effective system. GA recip
engines have no damper. Correct me if I am wrong, but your VW redrive
system uses slippage in the drive belt to dampen torsion vibration.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Eddie" <e.bayliss(at)blueyonder.co.uk> |
None taken Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Antioch, CA
>
> Paul,
> I suspect that you don`t want to come to the UK to look at my Kolb.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> Of course if you DO. I am in the South of England and nowhere near
> Liverpool.
>
> Liverpool is in the uncouth Northern part of England where they talk funny
> and put salt on their porridge.
> (Sorry Eddie)
>
> Pat
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
John
I don't think I said that there was engine reliability problem. I think it
can be safely said that the 912 series of engine are just as reliable as a
GA engine maybe more so.
But the high frequency vibration of these engines even when properly
maintained takes a toll on engine systems. It is fairly common to have a
GA exhaust system remain crack free to the engines TBO and well beyond. Can
you honestly say that about the exhaust systems on your airplane or others
we fly with? You talk about letting the carbs get out of sync, isn't
that maintenance, is this effected by vibration? How often does a GA engine
have to have its carbs synced. Seems like you guys frequently replace the
rubber carb sockets or what ever you call them.
My point was, it is all based on your point of reference. A two
stroke driver would think that a 912 is extremely reliable some would
say bullet proof. A aircraft rental FBO that is used to maintaining GA
airplanes would consider having to replace carb sockets, exahust systems,
syncing carbs and other things as unreliable even if the engine runs just
as long.
On my last check ride my instructor commented that my VW was smoother than
his 912. And yes my drive belts slip every minute my engine is running.
I inspect them every time I fly and adjust them after the first hour and
about every 40-80 hours. I can tell when the belts need adjusting when the
RPMs start increasing over my normal full throttle climb RPM. I replace
them every 100-200 hours or no more than two years. What was your point?
I will say it again if money was no object I would be flying a 912 or a GA
engine if they weren't so blessed heavy.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
Rick Neilsen
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> I have no doubt that I will get flamed for this but The old reliable 912
> isn't completely without issues. I just found out that the 912 powered
> Sport
> Cruisers that I normally rent in Florida have been sold because they just
> required too much maintenance. It seems that the high frequency vibration
> from these engines causes a bunch of metal fatigue issues
> with exhaust systems and other systems on and around these engines. Talk to
> any 912 driver that has any significant hours on their engines and they
> will
> report similar problems. Compared to higher RPM 2 stroke engines the issue
> is almost non existent. But compared to low RPM direct drive GA engines it
> is a problem.
>
> As usual worth what you paid for it.
>
> Rick Neilsen
>
>
> Rick N/Kolbers:
>
> I've been doing this a long time, both two and four stroke engines.
>
> The old reliable 912 is just that. If the aircraft you reference had
> vibration problems, it was caused by prop balance and/or engine mounts.
> Not
> the engine, unless they let the carbs get excessively out of sync. As I
> said in an earlier post, the 912 is a low maintenance engine.
>
> Don't know if I am a high time 912 owner or not, but over 3,000.0 hours of
> 912 time in my MKIII, plus quite a few hours in Kolb Factory aircraft
> powered by the 912, over the years, I have not experienced the problems you
> describe.
>
> This is the first time I have heard of this problem with the 912 series
> engines.
>
> Based on my experience, there is no comparison between a two and four
> stroke
> Rotax.
>
> I personally prefer the 912 over a GA recip engine, and that is based on
> actual flight experience over some very hostile terrain in the Lower 48,
> Canada, and Alaska.
>
> You probably don't have a lot of actual experience flying a 912 powered
> Kolb
> aircraft.
>
> Because an engine is designed to operate at higher rpm's does not mean it
> is
> going to tear itself apart. That is the mentality that a lot of GA types
> have when comparing a slow turning Lycoming or Continental. The torsion
> vibration of a 912 is controlled by a very effective system. GA recip
> engines have no damper. Correct me if I am wrong, but your VW redrive
> system uses slippage in the drive belt to dampen torsion vibration.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
I've sync'd the carbs on my present 912uls twice in 619.1 hours. The first
time was when I mounted the zero time engine.
When a 912 carb gets out of sync it is because cable stretch and normal
hardware wear. Not because of a high freq vibration. If there is
vibration, as I said in my last post, it is because of prop and engine
mounts.
How many GA engines have dual carbs? None that I know of right off hand.
I've never flown in your airplane. You have flown in mine at Monument
Valley, UT. You know which aircraft has the smoothest running engine and
prop.
I forgot what my point was, but seems ramped dogs and a slip clutch is a
better system for torsion vibration damping than a slipping belt.
I've replaced the carb sockets on my present 912uls once. I think that was
last year. Been flying that engine since 13 Apr 2007. On my second exhaust
system now. The initial system was designed by and manufactured for Rick
Thomason to fly on an enclosed tractor, the Starlite. Didn't realize it at
the time, but was poorly designed and built. John W and I both flew with
that system. They came apart, not because of high freq vibration, but poor
quality. Replaced with a Titan system that is working great.
If an engine has a high frequency vibration problem, it doesn't take long
for it to start showing up with cracked tubing in the airframe, especially
with the engine mount system we use on Kolb Aircraft.
I can see where carb sockets would not last as long on an enclosed tractor
compared to an open pusher. There is a lot of heat inside that cowling,
especially on the ground.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
But the high frequency vibration of these engines even when properly
maintained takes a toll on engine systems. It is fairly common to have a GA
exhaust system remain crack free to the engines TBO and well beyond. Can you
honestly say that about the exhaust systems on your airplane or others we
fly with? You talk about letting the carbs get out of sync, isn't that
maintenance, is this effected by vibration? How often does a GA engine have
to have its carbs synced. Seems like you guys frequently replace the rubber
carb sockets or what ever you call them.
My point was, it is all based on your point of reference. A two stroke
driver would think that a 912 is extremely reliable some would say bullet
proof. A aircraft rental FBO that is used to maintaining GA airplanes would
consider having to replace carb sockets, exahust systems, syncing carbs and
other things as unreliable even if the engine runs just as long.
On my last check ride my instructor commented that my VW was smoother than
his 912. And yes my drive belts slip every minute my engine is running. I
inspect them every time I fly and adjust them after the first hour and about
every 40-80 hours. I can tell when the belts need adjusting when the RPMs
start increasing over my normal full throttle climb RPM. I replace them
every 100-200 hours or no more than two years. What was your point?
I will say it again if money was no object I would be flying a 912 or a GA
engine if they weren't so blessed heavy.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
Rick Neilsen
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM, John Hauck wrote:
I have no doubt that I will get flamed for this but The old reliable 912
isn't completely without issues. I just found out that the 912 powered Sport
Cruisers that I normally rent in Florida have been sold because they just
required too much maintenance. It seems that the high frequency vibration
from these engines causes a bunch of metal fatigue issues
with exhaust systems and other systems on and around these engines. Talk to
any 912 driver that has any significant hours on their engines and they will
report similar problems. Compared to higher RPM 2 stroke engines the issue
is almost non existent. But compared to low RPM direct drive GA engines it
is a problem.
As usual worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Rick N/Kolbers:
I've been doing this a long time, both two and four stroke engines.
The old reliable 912 is just that. If the aircraft you reference had
vibration problems, it was caused by prop balance and/or engine mounts. Not
the engine, unless they let the carbs get excessively out of sync. As I
said in an earlier post, the 912 is a low maintenance engine.
Don't know if I am a high time 912 owner or not, but over 3,000.0 hours of
912 time in my MKIII, plus quite a few hours in Kolb Factory aircraft
powered by the 912, over the years, I have not experienced the problems you
describe.
This is the first time I have heard of this problem with the 912 series
engines.
Based on my experience, there is no comparison between a two and four stroke
Rotax.
I personally prefer the 912 over a GA recip engine, and that is based on
actual flight experience over some very hostile terrain in the Lower 48,
Canada, and Alaska.
You probably don't have a lot of actual experience flying a 912 powered Kolb
aircraft.
Because an engine is designed to operate at higher rpm's does not mean it is
going to tear itself apart. That is the mentality that a lot of GA types
have when comparing a slow turning Lycoming or Continental. The torsion
vibration of a 912 is controlled by a very effective system. GA recip
engines have no damper. Correct me if I am wrong, but your VW redrive
system uses slippage in the drive belt to dampen torsion vibration.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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