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February 19, 2013 - April 21, 2013



      
      I was thinking about the twins...I have seen the 277 on a kitten and it 
      definitely had quite a bit of vibration... Maybe  some sort of sliding 
      device with an automatic spring loaded return to full open.. Mainly on 
      the radiator since I now have a 582... with single radiator..  Could be 
      that  something on the order of a window shade would work..With 
      different material of course.. Herb
      
      On 02/18/2013 11:13 PM, wakataka wrote:
      >
      > After two cold  seizures, I tried to build something like that for my free air
      277, but the vibration from that little beast kept tearing apart whatever design
      I came up with. I finally solved the problem by having the cylinder honed
      out about 0.003 larger than factory spec and running a main jet 2 steps richer
      than spec. I'm also very careful not to go to full throttle immediately after
      a long descent at idle. On a touch and go, I'll usually take off with about
      3/4 throttle and wait until the CHT gets up to 250 before going to full throttle.
      >
      > --------
      > There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns
      of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
      >
      > Mark Twain
      >
      >
      
      
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Subject: Re: q
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 19, 2013
. HA !!!!, Step away from the Forum Russ... . You only THINK your addicted... . Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" the Flying Dogz . Building a Wittman "Buttercup - "Miss Tickle Madness" . . -------- . . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394598#394598 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bc_controls_check_and_shake_down_8_148.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/18_baraboo_07_330.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20_baraboo_07_126.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: For Kolb Private Strip owners
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 19, 2013
Hi Dennis, Nice strip... I wish I had some of that Equip to carve out my Airstrip... I bought a 580 Case Backhoe/loader... I'm currently removing trees... I've established the length... I need to make it WIDER. Then I need to shift some dirt around... . Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" retiring Up North to the cabins ( Soon ) . PS The Cabins are just to the left of the runway in the picture... -------- . . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394602#394602 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_rear_tires_1_200.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/untitled_919.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/runway_6_201.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Ethanol in fuel
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Feb 20, 2013
About a month ago, my hangar mate had time off work for a quick late afternoon flight, but only had time to buy some ethanol corrupted fuel. Flew for a while, but not enough to use all the ethanol fuel up. He called me today, concerned that he still had some of that stuff in the carbs, and no time to get to it. So I took the dog for a walk and went by his hangar. Pulled the float bowls off and sure enough, the fuel remaining in them had a faint milky grey tint, a little corrosion was beginning to form on the walls of the float bowls, and there were a couple of tiny drops of water in the bottom of each. Wish I had thought to take a picture, but I just dumped them. Then it occurred to me to wonder about my Kolb, so I went and pulled my float bowls off and looked. My last flight was December 8, the fuel in the bowls was the color of tea, very thin pale brown, obviously old, but clear, no corrosion, and no water. Wish I had taken a picture, but I'm not that clever. Bottom line, two identical 582's; one with fuel over two months old and simply old, the other with ethanol laced fuel 1 month old and already starting to cause problems. Worth what ya paid for it. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394699#394699 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/20/13
Date: Feb 21, 2013
> Worth what ya paid for it. I place value on it. Thanks. GeoB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org>
Date: Feb 21, 2013
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/20/13
Thanks Richard for the heads up on the ethanol contaminated fuel. Your words are picture enough. Bob G Kolb MKIIIX N830PB project ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/20/13
Date: Feb 21, 2013
Thanks Richard for the heads up on the ethanol contaminated fuel. Your words are picture enough. Bob G Folks: Used ethanol laced fuel until last year. Discovered contaminated fuel in tank and carbs. My remedy was 100LL and non-ethanol fuel, plus Stabil. I don't fly regularly. The MKIII sits for months on end. The above solution seems to be working. If I flew as frequently as I did in my younger days, I would have no qualms about using ethanol laced fuel. Recommend checking float bowls at least once a month. Be surprised what one finds in there. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/20/13
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Feb 21, 2013
In the summer, I use E10 with no issues at all, but when the temps start dropping and my flying frequency diminishes to once a month or less, I switch to 100LL. Both fuels are legal in our type certified Katana w/ 912-F3 engine whereas Stabil is not. In experimentals, I simply added Stabil to E10 during winter months and it worked out fine. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394752#394752 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Gilpin" <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwheel upgrade
Date: Sep 16, 2012
Yeh, a tailwheel upgrade is really worthwhile. That pizza cutter is pathetic... For my Firefly, I got the one from Aircraft Spruce because it was in stock for immediate shipment and Kolb didn=99t have any in stock at that time. Bad mistake..... The one from Spruce has 1/2=9D hole, while the Kolb shaft is 5/8=9D..... It=99s a specialized machining job to bore it out because there=99s a square boss that won=99t chuck in a lathe. I took it to a really well-equipped machine shop and they found it difficult. They had to load it in the chuck from the driven end, then the work was so buried in the chuck that a conventional boring bar wouldn=99t reach, so they had to fabricate a special extension. Cost $130 for 1 1/2 hrs work...... So if your going to get that tailwheel assembly, get from Kolb and it=99s all ready to go. But to do it again I wouldn=99t get that assembly at all. As Larry has pointed out, that breakaway swivel is a pain.... I also had to machine out the mechanism so that it doesn=99t breakaway. So what=99s the point of paying for all that mechanism at all. Besides, that tailwheel is heavy and designed for much heavier aircraft. Another problem with that product is that the steering arms are much longer than the original, so it gives even less deflection at full lock. The arm is very hard steel and I couldn=99t drill it to shorten the arms. Maybe if you heated and annealed at that point you could drill it.... The original Kolb mechanism is a lot lighter and is adequate, it=99s only the pizza cutter wheel itself that=99s the problem...... I noticed that the bearings in the new tail wheel would fit onto the the original Kolb tailwheel axle. Only problem was that the axle is too short to project all the way through the new wheel. To do it again I=99d have a longer axle welded in place on the original gear, and just replace the wheel. Surely the wheel itself must be available as a replacement part. Hopefully Kolb could source those wheels and manufacture the part to just bolt it onto their original gear. Be a lot easier and less costly.... JG ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 22, 2013
Subject: Re: Tailwheel upgrade
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
John I can't speak for the Spruce version but the Kolb version is worth every penny but it to needs to be modified to work well. First get some compression springs. The light springs allow the tail wheel to rotate in a strong cross wind situation that allows it to unlock at just the wrong time. Then you need to cut (shorten) and drill the steering arms so that you can get enough rotation to unlock the tail wheel at full rudder defection. These tail wheels don't unlock till they are turned quite a bit. Also you need to find a good tool store that sells drill bits for hard steel. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 11:25 AM, John Gilpin wrote: > Yeh, a tailwheel upgrade is really worthwhile. That pizza cutter is > pathetic... > > For my Firefly, I got the one from Aircraft Spruce because it was in stoc k > for immediate shipment and Kolb didn=92t have any in stock at that time. Bad > mistake..... The one from Spruce has 1/2=94 hole, while the Kolb shaft is > 5/8=94..... It=92s a specialized machining job to bore it out because th ere=92s > a square boss that won=92t chuck in a lathe. I took it to a really > well-equipped machine shop and they found it difficult. They had to load > it in the chuck from the driven end, then the work was so buried in the > chuck that a conventional boring bar wouldn=92t reach, so they had to > fabricate a special extension. Cost $130 for 1 1/2 hrs work...... So if > your going to get that tailwheel assembly, get from Kolb and it=92s all r eady > to go. > > But to do it again I wouldn=92t get that assembly at all. As Larry has > pointed out, that breakaway swivel is a pain.... I also had to machine o ut > the mechanism so that it doesn=92t breakaway. So what=92s the point of p aying > for all that mechanism at all. Besides, that tailwheel is heavy and > designed for much heavier aircraft. Another problem with that product is > that the steering arms are much longer than the original, so it gives eve n > less deflection at full lock. The arm is very hard steel and I couldn=92 t > drill it to shorten the arms. Maybe if you heated and annealed at that > point you could drill it.... > > The original Kolb mechanism is a lot lighter and is adequate, it=92s only > the pizza cutter wheel itself that=92s the problem...... I noticed that the > bearings in the new tail wheel would fit onto the the original Kolb > tailwheel axle. Only problem was that the axle is too short to project a ll > the way through the new wheel. To do it again I=92d have a longer axle > welded in place on the original gear, and just replace the wheel. Surely > the wheel itself must be available as a replacement part. > > Hopefully Kolb could source those wheels and manufacture the part to jus t > bolt it onto their original gear. Be a lot easier and less costly.... > > JG > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwheel upgrade
Date: Feb 22, 2013
I don=92t know what I am missing.... if you drill the arms so you have more deflection, then machine out the fitting so it takes more deflection to break it loose... where is the benefit. I put on a full swivel tail wheel and never looked back. it is wonderful. in normal driving I have never had it break away. if I want it to break, even with the longer arms all I have to do is add a bit of breaking and that forces it over the edge. I am still using the light stock springs with the longer arms and have not noticed any more problems in a cross wind than I had on the pizza cutter wheel. I don=92t know if it just comes down to technique, but in a cross wind I have been conscious of riding the break a bit. I only had one time when I could not hold a line... that was in a 25 gusting to 35 wind at a 90 deg to my direction of taxi. the tail wheel was firmly attached to the ground... I just think it would skid sideward when the gust would hit the tail. only a tire with more grip would have eliminated that problem. boyd young mkiii utah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't speak for the Spruce version but the Kolb version is worth every penny but it to needs to be modified to work well. First get some compression springs. The light springs allow the tail wheel to rotate in a strong cross wind situation that allows it to unlock at just the wrong time. Then you need to cut (shorten) and drill the steering arms so that you can get enough rotation to unlock the tail wheel at full rudder defection. These tail wheels don't unlock till they are turned quite a bit. Also you need to find a good tool store that sells drill bits for hard steel. For my Firefly, I got the one from Aircraft Spruce because it was in stock for immediate shipment and Kolb didn=92t have any in stock at that time. Bad mistake..... The one from Spruce has 1/2=94 hole, while the Kolb shaft is 5/8=94..... It=92s a specialized machining job to bore it out because there=92s a square boss that won=92t chuck in a lathe. I took it to a really well-equipped machine shop and they found it difficult. They had to load it in the chuck from the driven end, then the work was so buried in the chuck that a conventional boring bar wouldn=92t reach, so they had to fabricate a special extension. Cost $130 for 1 1/2 hrs work...... So if your going to get that tailwheel assembly, get from Kolb and it=92s all ready to go. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 22, 2013
Subject: Re: Tailwheel upgrade
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
Boyd On a cross country the wind picked up don't know the speed now but it was strong. I landed for gas and had to taxi cross wind. Holding full opposite rudder and one wheel breaking a gust would push the tail wheel (stretching the weak springs) to the point where it unlocked three times (doing a 360 to get it to lock again) to the gas pumps then 5-6 more times to get to a sheltered area. The compression springs fixed the unlocking problem but they also didn't allow the tail wheel to rotate enough to unlock ever. The optional tail wheel has much longer arms than the stock "bogey" wheel tail wheel assembly. I then shortened to tail wheel control arms and spring attach points to get enough rotation to get a full deflection unlock. Now I get very positive control of the tail wheel and the wheel will unlock only when the rudder hits the stop. There have been a few times where wind gusts have pushed the tail wheel sideways but I was able to recover without having to do a 360 and I don't have to ride the brakes. Note! I did not "machine out the fitting". Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM, b young wrote: > I don=92t know what I am missing.... if you drill the arms so you hav e > more deflection, then machine out the fitting so it takes more deflection > to break it loose... where is the benefit. I put on a full swivel > tail wheel and never looked back. it is wonderful. in normal drivin g > I have never had it break away. if I want it to break, even with the > longer arms all I have to do is add a bit of breaking and that forces it > over the edge. I am still using the light stock springs with the longer > arms and have not noticed any more problems in a cross wind than I had on > the pizza cutter wheel. I don=92t know if it just comes down to > technique, but in a cross wind I have been conscious of riding the bre ak > a bit. I only had one time when I could not hold a line... that was i n > a 25 gusting to 35 wind at a 90 deg to my direction of taxi. the tail > wheel was firmly attached to the ground... I just think it would skid > sideward when the gust would hit the tail. only a tire with more grip > would have eliminated that problem. > > boyd young > mkiii utah > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I can't speak for the Spruce version but the Kolb version is worth every > penny but it to needs to be modified to work well. First get some > compression springs. The light springs allow the tail wheel to rotate in a > strong cross wind situation that allows it to unlock at just the wrong > time. Then you need to cut (shorten) and drill the steering arms so that > you can get enough rotation to unlock the tail wheel at full rudder > defection. These tail wheels don't unlock till they are turned quite a bi t. > Also you need to find a good tool store that sells drill bits for hard > steel. > > > For my Firefly, I got the one from Aircraft Spruce because it was in stoc k > for immediate shipment and Kolb didn=92t have any in stock at that time. Bad > mistake..... The one from Spruce has 1/2=94 hole, while the Kolb shaft is > 5/8=94..... It=92s a specialized machining job to bore it out because the re=92s a > square boss that won=92t chuck in a lathe. I took it to a really > well-equipped machine shop and they found it difficult. They had to load it > in the chuck from the driven end, then the work was so buried in the chuc k > that a conventional boring bar wouldn=92t reach, so they had to fabricate a > special extension. Cost $130 for 1 1/2 hrs work...... So if your going to > get that tailwheel assembly, get from Kolb and it=92s all ready to go. > > ** > > * > =========== > =========== =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tailwheel upgrade
From: "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 22, 2013
I take off and land my Firestar 90% from grass, never had a problem with the stock tailwheel, Might not look like much but it's very high functioning Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394834#394834 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: For Kolb Private Strip owners
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 25, 2013
Thanks Rick, . I read the PDF... But I'm not clear about what they are trying to say... I guess as long as it's not commercial... it's ok... . Gotta Fly... . . PS Here's some "Eye Candy" . . -------- . . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395025#395025 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuel_tank_79_899.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/floor_pan_bling_13_212.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/firewall_reassembled_3_107.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org>
Date: Feb 28, 2013
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/27/13
No much on the Kolb list these days. I expect to finish my MKIIIX, with GPAS VW with re-drive sometime before I get too old to fly. :) As I have gotten older (69) I find it more difficult to do the cork screw movements to get into my plane. I am thinking very seriously about doing some modification to at least one side of the cockpit/windshield tubing to have a larger opening. I have thought about welding a tube that would be in the middle of the windshield and allow me to hinge one half of the windshield/door combination from that point. It would hinge like the MKIIIC. Any thoughts. I would especially appreciate hearing from you John H. since you modified some parts of your MKIIIC. Any others also appreciated. Have a great weekend. B Green MKIIIX project N830PB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/27/13
Date: Feb 28, 2013
I have thought about welding a tube that would be in the middle of the windshield and allow me to hinge one half of the windshield/door combination from that point. It would hinge like the MKIIIC. B Green Bob G/Kolbers: Almost anything is doable if you want it bad enough. I have included a photo of my MKIII to show the windshield and door. One thing to remember when modifying the doors, the rear of the door has to be far enough forward to clear the leading edge of the wing when it opens up. I'm sure Kolb Aircraft can take care of your problem. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 28, 2013
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Door opening
When I rebuilt my MkIII many moons ago...I installed Gull wing doors..A center tube and staggered hinges on both sides..never regretted it.. picture somewhere?? I will look... Check out pictures of a MkIII look alike for the idea:-) Herb On 02/28/2013 09:34 AM, Bob Green wrote: > > No much on the Kolb list these days. I expect to finish my MKIIIX, with GPAS VW with re-drive sometime before I get too old to fly. :) > As I have gotten older (69) I find it more difficult to do the cork screw movements to get into my plane. I am thinking very seriously about doing some modification to at least one side of the cockpit/windshield tubing to have a larger opening. I have thought about welding a tube that would be in the middle of the windshield and allow me to hinge one half of the windshield/door combination from that point. It would hinge like the MKIIIC. > Any thoughts. I would especially appreciate hearing from you John H. since you modified some parts of your MKIIIC. Any others also appreciated. > Have a great weekend. > B Green > MKIIIX project N830PB > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Classic and Xtra
From: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Feb 28, 2013
How many Classics and Xtras are out there? Are there alot more Classics than Xtras? Also, what are the benefits of each over the other? -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395329#395329 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Classic and Xtra
From: Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>
Date: Feb 28, 2013
As I do not as of yet have a Kolb and have only ridden in the Classic, the reasons that I'm looking at the Xtra are: 1. More elbow room in the cockpit. 2. Your legs are not canted towards the center of the cabin. 3. It's a bit faster than the Classic. 4. The instrument panel is closer, but I think it's smaller (I haven't compared any measurements though.) There seem to be more Classics than Xtras for sale. Again I have no data for this assumption. ( We know what assumption does, it makes an as out of you and Umption, and Umption is getting pissed off.) The down side is they typically cost more, new and used. Sent from my iPad Brad On Feb 28, 2013, at 18:24, "alienwes" wrote: > > How many Classics and Xtras are out there? Are there alot more Classics than Xtras? > > Also, what are the benefits of each over the other? > > -------- > Wesley Elliott > Sport Pilot-PPC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395329#395329 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Classic and Xtra
Date: Feb 28, 2013
As I do not as of yet have a Kolb and have only ridden in the Classic, the reasons that I'm looking at the Xtra are: 1. More elbow room in the cockpit. never been in an extra,,,, not sure about elbow room,, but certainly more room further forward. 2. Your legs are not canted towards the center of the cabin. absolutely true about the canted in legs,,, but you get use to it very quickly and it is a non issue, at least for me. 3. It's a bit faster than the Classic. don=99t think either one will win at the reno air races,,,, unless you are going cross country it should not make much difference. 4. The instrument panel is closer, but I think it's smaller (I haven't compared any measurements though.) I think there is a pod that is closer, but more room beyond the pod. There seem to be more Classics than Xtras for sale. Again I have no data for this assumption. they sold more classics for more years, so I think that is true. I have heard, but have no first hand information,, the broad nose of the extra causes some handling differences.. those that have flown both tend to lean to the classic. but you will find firm believers/ supporters in both camps. Sent from my iPad Brad sent from my home confuser... boyd young mkiii c utah ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Classic and Xtra
Date: Mar 01, 2013
the broad nose of the extra causes some handling differences>> The airflow over the broad nose of the Xtra produces a little lift if you yaw wildly in a turn or if you sideslip. Nothing to worry about. You will find it difficult to detect. In any case if you turn properly there is no effect and there is no point in sideslipping as the lack of fuselage means that dropping the brakes will increase your descent rate much more than sideslipping would. By the way I have finally sold my Xtra. It departed for the North of England in a snowstorm on an open trailer a couple of weeks ago. I shall miss her and I am now well and truly grounded. I shall never own a plane again. On the other hand for a hobby flyer who took his first flight in a glider in 1964. it has not been so bad. 19 glider types, 9 `real `planes including a T6 and a P 51. 12 ultralights, 2 amphibians,2 jets and a twin and flown in 7 countries. What shall I do next ? Cheers Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org>
Date: Mar 01, 2013
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/28/13
Thanks everyone for the reply to my question about the windshield and doors for the MKIIIX entrance. John, I looked for a photo but did not see one. Am I missing something? I think either the center tube with hinging windshield and door combination or possibly a windshield and door combination that hinges forward could be a possible options. John, you are right about the door needing to be forward of the wing leading edge. This is why the Extras doors are made like they are. I will keep the yoga ball and contortionist's exercises as last resort. :) Oh, to the fellow asking about the Classic and the Extra... all depends on your size and preferences. Both are the great Kolb design and have their advantages. Both have the great welded 4130 Chromally... steel cage around the pilot and passenger. Thanks again. Bob G ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 03, 2013
I've decided to enclose my Firestar II Cockpit because of the short flying season where I live. I've discussed this with Kolb Aircraft but as much as I would like to buy from Travis, I'm just not satisfied with the post running down the middle of canopy concept they offer in their after market kit. I'm hoping to see some different ideas posted that Firestar owners have built ,and any pro's and con's of these original designs. I've seen many cool ideas, but so far this design in the photo appeals to me the most . Thanks, Dennis I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things Antoine de Saint-Exupry -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395523#395523 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb99_149.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 03, 2013
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
Kinda looks like the firefly , full enclosure...The lexan is the center hinge...Fastens to the nose cone well down from center on the left side...and same on the curved support at the rear...Just wraps over the right side of the nose cone and rear frame...The left side and the right are fitted with a piece of angle aluminum to firm up the lexan..the angle on the right side provides attach points for the latch...The angle on the left attaches to the cage longeron...Herb On 03/03/2013 12:37 PM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > I've decided to enclose my Firestar II Cockpit because of the short flying season where I live. I've discussed this with Kolb Aircraft but as much as I would like to buy from Travis, I'm just not satisfied with the post running down the middle of canopy concept they offer in their after market kit. > > I'm hoping to see some different ideas posted that Firestar owners have built ,and any pro's and con's of these original designs. > > I've seen many cool ideas, but so far this design in the photo appeals to me the most . > > Thanks, > Dennis > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 03, 2013
Just got this in a private e-mail... This is a fine piece of workmanship and I think this is exactly what I'm seeking! Thanks for sharing ! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395550#395550 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_cockpit_184.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 03, 2013
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
Good design...but---way overbuilt ....check out the Firefly enclosure...no tubing in the field of view...Almost no tubing at all...Just a circular piece up near the wing to support the ,0625 lexan.. The curved lexan has quite a bit of strength...and is fine at the speeds that we fly.. Herb On 03/03/2013 04:13 PM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > Just got this in a private e-mail... This is a fine piece of workmanship and I think this is exactly what I'm seeking! > > Thanks for sharing ! > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395550#395550 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_cockpit_184.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 03, 2013
That's a beautiful firefly. The overbuilt concept may be true, but still a great idea in event of a bird strike, something in my part of the country to be concerned about. A weight & balance to follow for sure. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395552#395552 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 03, 2013
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
Thanks Dennis Certainly a bird strike is a concern...I tend to think that the curvature and toughness of the Lexan would negate a bird strike... I had a close call some years back...Some kind of high flying "swift" ..I saw it as a speck and within seconds it went by me...We were closing at a very high rate... Herb On 03/03/2013 05:34 PM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > That's a beautiful firefly. > > The overbuilt concept may be true, but still a great idea in event of a bird strike, something in my part of the country to be concerned about. A weight & balance to follow for sure. > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395552#395552 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2013
Frank, I'll post some follow up photos of my canopy as I build it, please post some of your new panel extension as I can relate to not being able to reach my EIS instrument , and that sounds like good idea I may borrow. Regards, Dennis Get to it soon...right now I have to go blow more snow ! :D -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395585#395585 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2013
Just got this in the mail... What workmanship .. WOW ! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395587#395587 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/canopy_deluxe_777.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/canopy_deluxe_295.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Lake Mille Lacs fly-in Part 1
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2013
We flew the Kolbra to Lake Mille Lacs (Minnesota) on Saturday and it turned out to be a pretty good winter fly-in here in the northland with lots of aircraft landing on an ice runway. Twin Pines restaurant hosted the fly-in. Temps were in the 20's with blue skies and calm winds. I will post video of Part 2 tonight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHYahlGaMWg Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395588#395588 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
Date: Mar 04, 2013
dennis my eis had a plug on the back that had wires that would allow for remote switches for the eis... and with the eis on my panel I located the remote switches overhead, does your eis not have the remote switch capability? boyd young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll post some follow up photos of my canopy as I build it, please post some of your new panel extension as I can relate to not being able to reach my EIS instrument , and that sounds like good idea I may borrow. Regards, Dennis ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 04, 2013
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
I put mine on the stick, and my GPS on my leg. Larry On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 8:47 AM, b young wrote: > > dennis > > my eis had a plug on the back that had wires that would allow for remote > switches for the eis... and with the eis on my panel I located the remote > switches overhead, does your eis not have the remote switch capability? > > boyd young > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll post some follow up photos of my canopy > as I build it, please post some of your new panel extension as I can relate > to not being able to reach my EIS instrument , and that sounds like good > idea I may borrow. > > Regards, > Dennis > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Mar 04, 2013
When we rebuilt N582EF after the crash, we did it this way. It works ok, and it is very airtight in winter. In summer, you about have to take out the back windows or it is too tight and you get too hot and stuffy. We also had to put a padded partition between the cockpit and the storage area in back to try and reduce some of the noise. If you have back problems or are not very flexible, you will have problems getting in and out, and you need to be able to fold and tuck your head to get in and out. If I had it to do over, I would have made it about the same in the back, but done a one piece wrap instead to make it easier to get in and out. Hope this gives you some more to think about. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395599#395599 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rightsiderear_161.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/rs_192.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ls_842.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/front_526.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dooropen_137.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/latch_201.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/latch2_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/seal_136.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
Date: Mar 04, 2013
When we rebuilt N582EF after the crash, we did it this way. It works ok, and it is very airtight in winter. In summer, you about have to take out the back windows or it is too tight and you get too hot and stuffy. -------- Richard Pike The windshield faring came out good. If it wasn't so much work, I'd redo mine. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2013
Richard,. Thanks for sharing your photos, looks like a top notch job you can be proud of . Lots of creative Kolb Firestar modifications. Glad I posed the question, I've learned a lot ! Boyd, Thanks....The EIS and dash modifications will come next, I've saved your examples from an earlier post. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395618#395618 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Best video tribute to the Kolb Firestar ever
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2013
The Kolb Firestar.... What a great tribute to Homer's great little airplane; when cold dense air, a little headwind and a skilled Pilot all come together. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt7EdwoLx6M&feature=player_embedded -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395620#395620 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lake Mille Lacs fly-in Part 1
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2013
Some say he's BIG headed because he flies a Kolbra. You be the judge! [Laughing] [Wink] Keep up the Cool videos Ralph! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395622#395622 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_5_to_8_20_641_123.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_5_to_8_20_670_550.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lake Mille Lacs fly-in Part 1
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2013
"Dennis Thate" > Some say he's BIG headed because he flies a Kolbra. You be the judge! > > Keep up the Cool videos Ralph! Me BIG headed???? I don't think so (although I may act a little arrogant at times and don't mean it). Part 2 is uploading right now. I will post it tomorrow morning. I hope you guys like these. If you don't want them, I'll go back to "lurk mode". Please let me know one way or another. Thanks, Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395628#395628 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 04, 2013
Subject: Re: Lake Mille Lacs fly-in Part 1
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
Ralph Yes keep them coming please. I haven't seen winter for almost ten years. Seeing bikinis on the beach every day trumps snow and ice but I do enjoy seeing it on youtube. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Ralph B wrote: > > "Dennis Thate" > > Some say he's BIG headed because he flies a Kolbra. You be the judge! > > > > Keep up the Cool videos Ralph! > > > Me BIG headed???? > > I don't think so (although I may act a little arrogant at times and don't > mean it). > > Part 2 is uploading right now. I will post it tomorrow morning. I hope you > guys like these. If you don't want them, I'll go back to "lurk mode". > Please let me know one way or another. > > Thanks, > Ralph B > > -------- > Ralph B > Original Firestar 447 > N91493 E-AB > 1000+ hours > 26 years flying it > > Kolbra 912ULS > N20386 > 200 hours > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395628#395628 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Lake Mille Lacs fly-in Part 2
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 04, 2013
As promised, here is Part 2 of the Lake Mille Lacs fly-in last Saturday. I fly in ground effect for miles over the lake. Winter is the only time of year this can be done safely. Enjoy ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acGfAEOT0qA Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395659#395659 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 05, 2013
An alternative to extending the panel is to put your switches on the seat frame or other easy to reach location. My Slingshot has the EIS controls in the joystick grip, the two mag switches on the left side of seat frame, and the starter switch and electric elevator trim switch on the right side of the seat frame. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395671#395671 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 05, 2013
From: "Ron @ KFHU" <captainron1(at)cox.net>
Subject: How do you transport a Kolb home?
Easy to do with the large Penske truck. Was planning to move my M3X to Fla from AZ and the Kolb fit just fine in there with room to spare. Rent the truck move your Kolb and turn the truck in. If you get a trailer as others suggest it can be used as hanger. If you have a hanger the Penske is a great way to do it. Be ready for some big fuel bills, its a thirsty diesel. Ron @ FLL ===================== Folks, How would a guy transport a Kolb home? I'm considering purchasing a Kolb from several states away but am stuck on how do I get this thing home? Any suggestions? Pictures? Thanks, Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392648#392648 -- Ron @ KFHU ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lanny Fetterman" <donaho1(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Lake Mille videos
Date: Mar 05, 2013
Great videos Ralph! Makes me want to go mix some gas for the FSll. Lanny ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lake Mille videos
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 05, 2013
"donaho1(at)verizon.net" > Great videos Ralph! Makes me want to go mix some gas for the FSll. Lanny Thanks Lanny, I've been slowly learning how to make a video. It's a new hobby of mine. After the flying is done for the day, it's fun to share and watch it again on the big screen. I'm in the process of training my wife to keep the camera straight ahead and not wander off. She is getting better at it. The HD videos are the way to go these days. The viewer can see everything in full detail and get more out of it. As time goes on, I will get better and better at it. If any of you guys have seen Damien's videos, they are very good. He tells the story of his trips. I'm trying to follow his example, but I have a long way to go: http://www.emuvideo.com/videos.php Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395687#395687 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net>
Subject: Can't reach the Panel...
Date: Mar 05, 2013
Hello Kolbers, I decided to change out the seat belt in the front of my Kolbra with a retractable seat belt, so I could reach the panel. All the Cub pilots in this part of the world have them. I bought mine from the local aircraft parts store. They are not cheap.around $300, but I figure the freedom of movement is worth the price. The one I bought is sold by Amsafe of Phoenix. It is not installed yet so I have no pictures to post. Enjoy, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska Kolbra N607AK under construction ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 06, 2013
Personally I like the feeling of being strapped in very securely in such a light weight aircraft as my Kolb. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395718#395718 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Glide Ratio Info
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 06, 2013
Has anyone ever seen any thing reliably or officially published about Kolb Firestar GLIDE RATIOS ? -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395719#395719 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/glide_ratio_table_002_229.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lake Mille videos
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 06, 2013
My crystal ball can see Ralph winning an Aviation Oscar someday. :) Keep up the good work Ralph -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395720#395720 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: How do you transport a Kolb home?
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 06, 2013
One more open door shot. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395721#395721 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/transporting_a_kolb_111.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 06, 2013
Thom, Not sure who sent this to me last year, but an interesting idea. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395722#395722 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbfsii_017_medium1_331.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 06, 2013
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: super hi tech panel...
My Hi Tech Panel...on Firefly...Herb On 03/06/2013 08:14 AM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > Thom, > > > Not sure who sent this to me last year, but an interesting idea. > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395722#395722 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbfsii_017_medium1_331.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: super hi tech panel...
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 06, 2013
Nice .... but you have it just backwards :) -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395732#395732 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_204.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 06, 2013
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: super hi tech panel...
yeah!! Did you notice? Its upside down too! :-) Herb On 03/06/2013 09:16 AM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > Nice .... but you have it just backwards :) > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 06, 2013
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fire fly for sale .
our eaa club is guna sell the firefly I had up a couple month ago, barnstor mers add will be up soon. $9K contact me off list.--- mal=0A=0A=0AMal colm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansp ortpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ult ralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A___________ _____________________=0A From: Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com>=0ATo: k olb-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 8:49 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Can't reach the Panel...=0A =0A--> Kolb-List message poste d by: "Dennis Thate" =0A=0APersonally I like the fee ling of being strapped in very securely in such a light weight aircraft as my Kolb.=0A=0A--------=0ABoth optimists and pessimists contribute to our so ciety.- The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute .- ~Gil Stern=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://foru ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: super hi tech panel...
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 06, 2013
That's an interesting dash extension idea. BTW I've driven the Hanna Highway, been to Lindbergh's Grave Site and saw George Harrison's Summer home from a helicopter... but what I miss the most about Hawaii is fresh Kona coffee. [Wink] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395777#395777 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: super hi tech panel...
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 07, 2013
Magnificent Idea ! [Idea] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395862#395862 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/magnificent_105.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door opening
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 08, 2013
I for one would enjoy seeing pictures of avoiding a cramped cockpit. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395889#395889 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/space_159.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 11, 2013
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mz 201
Phil How is your Kolb coming did you get to test fly it yet?I have been thi nking of an erlectric engine , about the same price and I probly will never leave cape cod with her mostly just flying asround the beaches and landing at my home field.Whaats going on with your MZ201?FAIRWINDS Chris=0A=0A=0AC hris DavisKXP 503 492 hrsGlider PilotDisabled from crash building Firefly =0A=0AFrom: Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com>=0A>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Se nt: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:48 AM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201 =0A>=0A>1 to 2 extra lbs sounds about right. Let us know what you find out about the total weight and price.=0A>=0A>Phil H.--- On Fri, 12/16/11, chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>>From: chris davis <capedavis@ya hoo.com>=0A>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201=0A>>To: "kolb-list@matronic s.com" =0A>>Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 7:39 AM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Phill ,Got an email from Leon at the MZ factory . He says that in order to have the fan cooling that thepullstart has to be removed a nd the weight gain would be 1 to 2 lbs, he is going to give me a final weig ht for the engine with dual cdi and belt reduction and the Price later toda y I think .=0A>>--- 1 to 2 lbs for the safe.cooling of a $5000 engine is a minor weight-=0A>>Im sorry to ask but I have lost track of who has -gain in my opinion =0A>>-,Is- it your engine they have in the Kolb s hop It would be interesting to see what Bryan says. Chris=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Chr is DavisKXP 503 492 hrsGlider PilotDisabled from crash building Firefly=0A> >From: Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com>=0A>>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com =0A>>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:09 PM=0A>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 20 1=0A>>=0A>>It is suggested that the 202 needs the fan, but not the 201. Tim e will tell. Let us know what the reply to your inquiry is.=0A>>=0A>>Phil H . --- On Thu, 12/15/11, chris davis wrote:=0A>>=0A>>> From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>=0A>>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201=0A>>>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0A>>>Date: Thursday, December 15, 201 1, 7:15 PM=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Phil , Did you happen to ask what the weight of the fan cooling system would be?I am Only concerned Bryan at Kolb was worr ied about cooling .- Why not take off the pullstart and add the fan cooli ng I think that would be a even trade. I am going to Email the factory and ask the questiion tonight. I will let you know as soon as I get an answer C hris=0A>>>Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash buil ding Firefly --- On Thu, 12/15/11, Phil wrote:=0A>>> =0A>>>>From: Phil <phactor9(at)yahoo.com>=0A>>>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201=0A>>>>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0A>>>>Date: Thursday, December 15, 2 011, 1:39 PM=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>I decided on the mz201 for my Firefly. I o nly know what I've studied online about Simonini, Hirth, Rotax (used to own a 503 on my past Twinstar), and the mz line. I will know a lot more once I get my Firefly built and start running my mz201 on it (in the Spring).=0A> >>>My mz201 weighs in at 75lbs total fly-weight without the mounting plates and h/w for the engine and exhaust system, but including everything else; belt reduc, air filter, carb, muffler, elec and pull starters, all ignition components (harness, dual CDI, dual plugs). I thought it would weigh a few pounds less, but as far as I can tell, this is still 15-19 lbs less than t he 447, with 4-5 HP more.=0A>>>>Phil H. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, FIRESTARII >>>>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201=0A>>>>>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com =0A>>>>>Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 12:38 PM=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>> and gals- ya'all got me thinking.... I know next to nothing about the MZ engines and have been seriously considering a re-power of my DCDI-503 powe red FSII simply because the engine has very near 300 hours TT.- NOW,- w hen I posted that I was considering a Hirth some of you got all abrasive [R olling Eyes]---Is, in your opinion, the MZ a better/same/worse choice than the Hirth?- Or do you die hard Rotax folks think I am simply better off having the 503 rebuilt and sticking with what I have??? :?---I a m not trying to rock the boat again just wondering how the MZ compares to t he Hirth and the Rotax? -------- Low and Slow FireStar II Read this topic o nline here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360964#360964http: //forums.matronics.com/=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>ollow target=_blan k>www.aeroelectric.com /" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks. com ofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.comllow target=_blank>ht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution=nofollow target=_blank>http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listet=_blank>http://forums.matronics.c omllow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A>>>ollo w target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank> www.buildersbooks.comofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.comllo w target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=nofollow targe t=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listet=_blank>http: //forums.matronics.comllow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/cont ribution =0A>>ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com/" rel=nofoll ow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.comofollow target=_blank>www.home builthelp.comllow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.comllow target=_blank>http://ww w.matronics.com/contribution =0A>>ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.co m/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.comofollow targe t=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.comllow target=_blank>http://www.matronic s.com/contribution=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Kolb-Listet=_blank>http://forums.matronics.comllow target chive ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 11, 2013
Subject: electric propulsion?
From: Martin Koxxy <martinkoxxy(at)gmail.com>
Hello Kolb flyers, since Chris brought it up: I have been mostly lurking and almost went for a Kolbra, but I have recently begun building an Earthstar eGull. As much is I liked the folding wings and two-seat capability of the Kolbra, the prospect of having my ears within inches of a screaming 2-stroke finally convinced me to go electric. The state of battery-electric propulsion pretty much rules out 2 seats, and even a single seat ultralight has to be very efficient. The eGull is one of the few affordable aircraft that fits the bill, plus Mark Beierle has more experience with electric propulsion than most (180 hours in his own eGull, for example). If you are interested, a few specs: single seat pusher, tricycle gear, 24' cantilevered wing, 40kW (54HP) motor, 10+kWh battery (170 lbs!) The airframe will comply with ultralight limits, and the battery is considered fuel (must fit in the same *volume* as 5gal fuel). Battery, motor, regulator and charger will come from Zero Motorcycles. Including prop and a (used) Rotax C gearbox, propulsion will set me back around $12k. Mark figures this configuration will get me off the ground in less than 100 ft, climb at better than 1200fpm, glide at 13 to 14 g/s ratio, and give me at least 1 hour air time with reserve. Not exactly a x-country machine, but as battery energy density increases, I might eventually make it to Rock House from Beaverton, OR. Very simple and robust (2 moving parts!), and quiet enough to fly without headphones. And "fuel" cost of $1-2 per hour! Does anyone know of a list that caters to electric propulsion ultralights? I'll continue to monitor this list - you guys always have interesting topics and great pictures and videos. Martin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 11, 2013
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: electric propulsion?
At 03:46 PM 3/11/2013, Martin Koxxy wrote: > >Battery, motor, regulator and charger will come from Zero Motorcycles. >Including prop and a (used) Rotax C gearbox, propulsion will set me back >around $12k. > >Mark figures this configuration will get me off the ground in less than >100 ft, climb at better than 1200fpm, glide at 13 to 14 g/s ratio, and >give me at least 1 hour air time with reserve. Not exactly a x-country >machine, but as battery energy density increases, I might eventually make >it to Rock House from Beaverton, OR. Very simple and robust (2 moving >parts!), and quiet enough to fly without headphones. And "fuel" cost of >$1-2 per hour! How long does it take to charge the battery? I assume that needs a robust source of electricity? -Dana -- One thing about liberty, lots of people do things I wouldn't pay for, and more power to them. It's when they want to do it with my money that I get concerned. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 11, 2013
Subject: Re: electric propulsion?
From: Martin Koxxy <martinkoxxy(at)gmail.com>
>From empty, 10 hours on a single 15A 110V AC outlet. Or half that if you have two circuits and 2 chargers. Or less if you have a 240V outlet. Or 45 minutes on a CHAdeMo outlet... http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/ I plan to tie the plane down within reach of a single 110V outlet. No harm to leave it plugged in overnight (or all week). But yes, one flight per day, or maybe one in the morning and one in the evening. Batteries can also be swapped out, but they are heavy and expensive. On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > At 03:46 PM 3/11/2013, Martin Koxxy wrote: > > > Battery, motor, regulator and charger will come from Zero Motorcycles. > Including prop and a (used) Rotax C gearbox, propulsion will set me back > around $12k. > > Mark figures this configuration will get me off the ground in less than > 100 ft, climb at better than 1200fpm, glide at 13 to 14 g/s ratio, and gi ve > me at least 1 hour air time with reserve. Not exactly a x-country machine , > but as battery energy density increases, I might eventually make it to Ro ck > House from Beaverton, OR. Very simple and robust (2 moving parts!), and > quiet enough to fly without headphones. And "fuel" cost of $1-2 per hour! > > > How long does it take to charge the battery? I assume that needs a robus t > source of electricity? > > -Dana > -- > One thing about liberty, lots of people do things I wouldn=92t pay for, a nd > more power to them. It=92s when they want to do it with my money that I g et > concerned. > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 11, 2013
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: electric propulsion?
At 06:44 PM 3/11/2013, Martin Koxxy wrote: > From empty, 10 hours on a single 15A 110V AC outlet. Or half that if you > have two circuits and 2 chargers. Or less if you have a 240V outlet. Or > 45 minutes on a CHAdeMo outlet... ><http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/>http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/ > >I plan to tie the plane down within reach of a single 110V outlet. No harm >to leave it plugged in overnight (or all week). But yes, one flight per >day, or maybe one in the morning and one in the evening. Batteries can >also be swapped out, but they are heavy and expensive. About what I thought... gets limiting when you get bored with the local area. -Dana -- I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.-- Albert Einstein ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: electric propulsion?
Date: Mar 11, 2013
Dana Not Kolb-related but -- If this World War Number Three Must inevitably be Then #4, as sure as taxes Will be fought with stone-age axes Russ On Mar 11, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > At 06:44 PM 3/11/2013, Martin Koxxy wrote: >> =46rom empty, 10 hours on a single 15A 110V AC outlet. Or half that if you have two circuits and 2 chargers. Or less if you have a 240V outlet. Or 45 minutes on a CHAdeMo outlet... >> http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/ >> >> I plan to tie the plane down within reach of a single 110V outlet. No harm to leave it plugged in overnight (or all week). But yes, one flight per day, or maybe one in the morning and one in the evening. Batteries can also be swapped out, but they are heavy and expensive. > > About what I thought... gets limiting when you get bored with the local area. > > -Dana > -- > I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.-- Albert Einstein > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 11, 2013
Subject: Re: electric propulsion?
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Well Martin, if you plan to come to the Rock House, you had best think of a way to pack a generator with you, because while we have electricity, I am not sure how many there are between us. :-) Better still put it in a trailer, and drive it down. Just a rough guess at an hour of flight time a day, I think you are going to have to start a week early. Larry On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Dana Hague wrote: > At 06:44 PM 3/11/2013, Martin Koxxy wrote: > > From empty, 10 hours on a single 15A 110V AC outlet. Or half that if you > have two circuits and 2 chargers. Or less if you have a 240V outlet. Or 45 > minutes on a CHAdeMo outlet... > http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/ > > I plan to tie the plane down within reach of a single 110V outlet. No harm > to leave it plugged in overnight (or all week). But yes, one flight per > day, or maybe one in the morning and one in the evening. Batteries can also > be swapped out, but they are heavy and expensive. > > > About what I thought... gets limiting when you get bored with the local > area. > > -Dana > -- > I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War > 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.-- Albert Einstein > > * > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mz 201
From: "t41pilot" <t41pilot(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 12, 2013
Hope Phil doesn't mind me giving you the nod on some nice videos he has on YouTube of his plane and engine. Do a search using"ladiver99" Should bring up his whole list of available stuff. He was a great help to me when I built my Firefly -------- Gregg Kaat 2011 Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396127#396127 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb Firestar II FOR SALE!
From: "BillC" <bill(at)keystonesnacks.com>
Date: Mar 13, 2013
Kolb Flyers, I am selling my new Kolb Firestar II. The airplane was built last year by Brian & company. All registered and paperwork completed. Flown five times. 10 hours on the hobbs, mosty break-in. I run the engine every two weeks for 20 minutes. This aircraft could win grand champion at Oshkosh. $17,900 If you are interest, you may contact me: Bill Corriere Home: 610-253-2863 Work: 610-258-0888 Email: bill(at)keystonesnacks.com Thank you Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396207#396207 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb Firestar II FOR SALE!
Date: Mar 13, 2013
This aircraft could win grand champion at Oshkosh. $17,900 Bill Corriere Only one way to find out. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 13, 2013
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
Tom Got a call from Sam Peachy..wanting my slingshot...I forgot to tell him about yours...but did tell him that there was one on Barnstormers.... He was going to install a 912 engine...and naturally yours would be ideal.... his cell is seven one seven three six three 0six 0 two......better hurry before he buys the one in Indiana...Herb On 03/05/2013 07:08 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > An alternative to extending the panel is to put your switches on the seat frame or other easy to reach location. My Slingshot has the EIS controls in the joystick grip, the two mag switches on the left side of seat frame, and the starter switch and electric elevator trim switch on the right side of the seat frame. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > no engine > FOR SALE > > Diamond Katana DA20-A1 > Rotax 912 F3 > > Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. > - Anonymous > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395671#395671 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II Cockpit Enclosure
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 13, 2013
Please put me in contact with him. My email is riddletr_at_gmail.com -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396214#396214 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 13, 2013
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Looking for a Slingshot
I sent his name and number off list...Herb On 03/13/2013 06:40 PM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > Please put me in contact with him. My email is riddletr_at_gmail.com > > -------- > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: firestar II
Date: Mar 14, 2013
I am not trying to slam the firestar II for sale for 17,900 $$ but is the frame gold plated and the engine diamond studded or something? Good luck. Ted Glad to hear there is a bunch of slingshots out there playing. I love mine. Just wish the weather would be a little better. Getting over a herniated spine operation last November and can now push my plane around. Missed all the good weather we had over November and December but someday the wind will stop and we can play again more than a few minutes. I am glad I am pushing the 912 to 5000 and 5200 rpm. Seems to like it there. Of course, going 90-95 mph chews up a bit more gas but I am having a ball. I feel the slingshot with the short wing and heavier weight is perfect for the 912. It has to be more stable than the firefly. Short wings and being so light might actually be a handicap. Anyway. Have fun out there and be safe and oh yeah, good luck on the price of that firestar. I would like to see some pics of one that is worth that much. Ted Cowan, Slingshot, 912 zoom zoom ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: 2013 Kolb Homecoming
Date: Mar 14, 2013
Good Morning, Kolbers: We have a tentative date for the 2013 Kolb Homecoming: 17 -19 May 2013 Friday, 17 May, is "early bird day". Saturday, 18 May, is the flyin. Sunday, 19 May, is departure. We chose this particular weekend because it is the weekend between Mother's Day and Memorial Day. It is also the same weekend we held the Kolb Unplanned/Unorganized Monument Valley Flyin in previous years. Hopefully, the weather in May will be better than it turned out to be in November. Will let you all know as soon as we firm up these dates, which should be in the next day or two. We had a great time at last year's Homecoming. Hopefully, this year's will be even better. Tell all your friends. Everyone is welcome whether you fly a Kolb or not. We have many different airplanes fly in. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: ROTAX 912UL/912ULS Frequently Asked Questions
Date: Mar 14, 2013
Hi Kolbers: This info from the ROAN, ROTAX Owner Assistance Network: http://www.rotax-owner.com/pdf/ROAN%20FAQs.pdf Answers some good questions, especially "What speed to operate our 912's?" john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 14, 2013
From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: ROTAX 912UL/912ULS Frequently Asked Questions
Very interesting, especialy the Rpm . I have been running my 912uls at 4800 RPM and taking off at 5000 didn't know 5500 and 5800 was better for the engine . Thanks John. Frank ________________________________ From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Thu, March 14, 2013 9:07:35 AM Subject: Kolb-List: ROTAX 912UL/912ULS Frequently Asked Questions Hi Kolbers: This info from the ROAN, ROTAX Owner Assistance Network: http://www.rotax-owner.com/pdf/ROAN%20FAQs.pdf Answers some good questions, especially "What speed to operate our 912's?" john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: ROTAX 912UL/912ULS Frequently Asked Questions
Date: Mar 14, 2013
Very interesting, especialy the Rpm . I have been running my 912uls at 4800 RPM and taking off at 5000 didn't know 5500 and 5800 was better for the engine . Thanks John. Frank In my opinion, lugging a two or four stroke is not good for them. They are designed to turn high rpm. I have always used 5,000 rpm for normal cruise. If I get in a hurry, I fly 5,200 and 5,400 rpm. Whatever is comfortable for me and the airplane. I flew 5,400 rpm from Alabama to OSH and back in 1994, with my 912UL. That was right after I got home from flying 232 hours on the first Alaska flight. Only difference was fuel burn and a little more cruise speed. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 2013 Kolb Homecoming
From: "ces308" <ces308(at)ldaco.com>
Date: Mar 14, 2013
Hello John ! I for one am planning on flying down for the event.I couldn't make the November one but I will be there for this one ! Please keep us posted ! Thanks, chris ambrose M3X / Jabiru A-2200 N327CS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396271#396271 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1672_640x440_789.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 14, 2013
From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>
Subject: ROTAX SERVICE BULLITON
I need some help in figuring out if the mandatory ROTAX ASB-912-062UL/ASB-912-062 applies to the 912 ULS engine SER # 5643239? Sorry to have to ask , but my computer is just running me around in circles.I hope the answer is no. Thanks Frank ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ROTAX 912UL/912ULS Frequently Asked Questions
From: "pipercolt" <bob.pipercolt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 14, 2013
Hey John Is there a similar list for other Rotax engines, like the 582? Thanks Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396277#396277 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: ROTAX 912UL/912ULS Frequently Asked Questions
Date: Mar 14, 2013
John, will you please re-post the link for the FAQ? I lost it somewhere in my computer. Thanks, Dave Kulp If you lose it again, Google "ROAN ROTAX FAQ". http://www.rotax-owner.com/pdf/ROAN%20FAQs.pdf john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: 2013 Kolb Homecoming
Date: Mar 14, 2013
I for one am planning on flying down for the event.I couldn't make the November one but I will be there for this one ! Please keep us posted ! Thanks, chris ambrose M3X / Jabiru A-2200 N327CS Chris A/Kolbers: That would be great. Time to get out of all that ice and snow. We are all looking forward to another get together to celebrate Kolb Aircraft and the man behind it all, our friend Homer Kolb. Don't forget to look at the photo, attached. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: ROTAX 912UL/912ULS Frequently Asked Questions
Date: Mar 14, 2013
I don't know about the 582. I found this one by accident. A search of the ROAN site should turn up some results. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama Hey John Is there a similar list for other Rotax engines, like the 582? Thanks Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: ROTAX SERVICE BULLITON
Date: Mar 14, 2013
Frank G/Kolbers: Here is a good place to start looking: http://www.rotax-owner.com/support-bulletin john h mkIII Titus, Alabama I need some help in figuring out if the mandatory ROTAX ASB-912-062UL/ASB-912-062 applies to the 912 ULS engine SER # 5643239? Sorry to have to ask , but my computer is just running me around in circles.I hope the answer is no. Thanks Frank ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ROTAX 912UL/912ULS Frequently Asked Questions
From: "Thumper" <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 15, 2013
FYI. The RPM number is used for take off. What two different Rotax forum guys said is: the takeoff rpm should not be lower than 5300, which means prop loading should be set to keep the engine higher than 5300 period during takeoff load. They intended that for those guys running clean airplanes not to prop them for their top speed and forget minimum takeoff RPM's. After takeoff you can fly at whatever reduced rpm you want without harm. The Engine was designed to run at cruise of 5500 all day if you want to but it is not a requirement to do so. Once you reduce throttle you reduce load on the internal engine parts so they are not concerned with that. It has been a big confusion and people saying you are supposed to cruise at 5500 minimum but that was refuted by Phil Lockwood and the other man at another 912 forum. So just as long as the takeoff full load RPM = 5300 they are OK. The book says 5500 but they both admitted that 5300 was OK with them. I like that 3800-5000 range myself for cruise, makes a difference in noise and fuel burn change of 1.5GPH. On those days when I'm flying with my Cub friends, Challenger or Trike buddys I smoke them on fuel burn at equal speeds. Not a Kolb though, BUT I will have another one when the right deal comes along. See you at the Homecoming I hope. Dennis, Aeroprakt A20/Kolb like airplane. -------- Dennis Long Oakland TN 2000 Aeroprakt A20 Vista Cruiser Previously Kolb Mark IIIC, 94 Firestar, 84 Ultrastar. 600+hours since 1/1/2009 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396325#396325 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: ROTAX 912UL/912ULS Frequently Asked Questions
Date: Mar 15, 2013
I like that 3800-5000 r! ange myself for cruise, makes a difference in noise and fuel burn change of 1. Dennis Long Oakland TN 2000 Aeroprakt A20 Vista Cruiser Previously Kolb Mark IIIC, 94 Firestar, 84 Ultrastar. 600+hours since 1/1/2009 Kolbers: Been flying 912's on my MKIII for the past 20 years and more than 3,000.0 flight hours. Seems I have a difficult time maintaining a minimum engine oil temp of 190F if I don't fly at least 5,000 rpm. Engine temps drop rapidly below 5,000 rpm. Besides, with my airplane, in order to cruise at least 80 mph, I need 5,000. Flying with a ground adjustable prop it is necessary for me to pitch for best take off and cruise. To do this, I pitch for 5,500 rpm, wide open throttle, straight and level flight. With this pitch setting I get aprx'ly 5,400 rpm during takeoff and climb. If I flew at sea level all the time I might be able to pull a tiny bit more pitch. However, on my flights West, it is necessary to climb to 12,000-13,000 feet ASL, and my flight environment and field elevations are generally 4,000 to 8,000 feet. If I can pull 5,400 rpm climbing at home/near sea level, I'm down to 5,100 to 5,200 rpm out West. So what I do is set my pitch for about 5,600 rpm straight and level, wide open throttle at home. Then when I get out West I still have respectable performance. I am a firm believer in freeing up the engines and let them turn as they were designed. Overpitching, to me, has the same results of lugging down a car or truck when they are equipped with a 5 or 6 speed transmission. It hammers them to death. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ROTAX 912UL/912ULS Frequently Asked Questions
From: "Thumper" <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 15, 2013
Absolutely John. No lugging occurs if the takeoff RPM stays above 5300 per Phil. In flight we can cruise where we want with no harm as long as the prop is not the limiting factor, that would be lugging. NOW, I see guys with in-flight adjustable props doing just that by loading up the engine at reduced RPM, that is lugging the engine, but it is a habit they learned on high performance GA aircraft and can't seem to explain it to them. Yours is set up like mine. If I want to fly slow no harm because the engine isn't lugging. Same thing on the two strokes although on those if you reduce throttle a lot carbon build up will occurr quickly. See you at Sun-N-Fun maybe, weather permitting. -------- Dennis Long Oakland TN 2000 Aeroprakt A20 Vista Cruiser Previously Kolb Mark IIIC, 94 Firestar, 84 Ultrastar. 600+hours since 1/1/2009 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396332#396332 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Half finished projects
From: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 17, 2013
I noticed that on barnstormers there are a few projects for sale like a Mark III kit for 4K. It looks 50% complete. Can someone buy a 50% complete kit an finish it, then still get it registered as E-AB? Can you hire someone with experience to finish the kit? Any other thoughts on this method of acquiring a Kolb? Wes -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396416#396416 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Half finished projects
Date: Mar 17, 2013
I noticed that on barnstormers there are a few projects for sale like a Mark III kit for 4K. It looks 50% complete. Can someone buy a 50% complete kit an finish it, then still get it registered as E-AB? Can you hire someone with experience to finish the kit? Any other thoughts on this method of acquiring a Kolb? Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC In response to the above, "What does the regulation say?" john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Half finished projects
From: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 17, 2013
Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by another amateur? I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more than me when it comes to E-AB. -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423#396423 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Half finished projects
Date: Mar 17, 2013
You can surely get it approved as E-AB since it is on the FAA approved list....The issue is can you get the repairman certificate in your name for the aircraft....you need to convince the inspector that you have demonstrated that you built enough of it that you would be able to do the yearly inspections and any repairs. Bob Message----- From: alienwes Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by another amateur? I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more than me when it comes to E-AB. -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423#396423 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 17, 2013
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Half finished projects
My experience indicates that it may be a little more difficult than it appe ars. To get an EAB Airworthiness Certificate you must prove to the DAR or t he FAA MIDO office that at least 50% of the aircraft was built by an amateu r for their own recreation or education. It does not have to be you, but it cannot be a professional builder paid to do the construction. You can pay someone to build part of the airplane, but you still need to document that at least 50% was done for fun. The inspection and paperwork requirement enf orcement varies from region to region, so try to get details of requirement s from some near you that has been through the process. I completed a parti ally built project 2 years ago and it was a nightmare. I had to produce a c onstruction log, including photos, of all the work done on the airplane. Ev en though I could document that I had done more than 50% myself I still had to track down the previous owners(s) and get details and photos from them, which I then added to my own builders log. If I had not been able to find them I would have been sunk. Than came the inspection. Our MIDO does not do homebuilt inspections any more. Instead you must hire a retired FAA inspec tor for $1500 to come spend 2 hours looking over your airplane and paperwor k. $1500 may not sound bad on a $80,000 RV, but it's a little ridiculous on a $6,000 Kolb. Once I had the Airworthiness Certificate I was able to take my builders log to the FAA FSDO and get the Repairmans Certificate. Completing an existing project if definitely possible, but make sure that y ou get documentation of the previous work. Or, make sure that you can docum ent all the pieces yourself. If it's a kit, you will also need the Bill of Sale from the factory and the serial number. Good luck, and let me know if I can be any assistance Malcolm http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:53:33 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects You can surely get it approved as E-AB since it is on the FAA approved list....The issue is can you get the repairman certificate in your name for the aircraft....you need to convince the inspector that you have demonstrated that you built enough of it that you would be able to do the yearly inspections and any repairs. Bob Message----- From: alienwes Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by another amateur? I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more than me when it comes to E-AB. -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423#396423 =========== =========== =========== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 17, 2013
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Half finished projects
William winn on from the corvair authority posted a article in his news let ter about how he an!d His emery ridel crew built- several lancair planes as hired guns and all the under the table deals that made it happen.=0A=0A =0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://mich igansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Af or Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0A From: "gliderx5(at)comcast.net" <gliderx5@comca st.net>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:44 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects=0A =0A=0AMy experi ence indicates that it may be a little more difficult than it appears.- T o get an EAB Airworthiness Certificate you must prove to the DAR or the FAA MIDO office that at least 50% of the aircraft was built by an amateur for their own recreation or education.- It does not have to be you, but it ca nnot be a professional builder paid to do the construction.- You can pay someone to build part of the airplane, but you still need to document that at least 50% was done for fun.- The inspection and paperwork requirement enforcement varies from region to region, so try to get details of requirem ents from some near you that has been through the process.- I completed a partially built project 2 years ago and it was a nightmare.- I had to pr oduce a construction log, including photos, of all the work done on the air plane.- Even though I could document that I had done more than 50% myself I still had to track down the previous owners(s) and get details and photos from them, which I then added to my own builders log.- If I h ad not been able to find them I would have been sunk.- Than came the insp ection.- Our MIDO does not do homebuilt inspections any more.- Instead you must hire a retired FAA inspector for $1500 to come spend 2 hours looki ng over your airplane and paperwork.- $1500 may not sound bad on a $80,00 0 RV, but it's a little ridiculous on a $6,000 Kolb.- Once I had the Airw orthiness Certificate I was able to take my builders log to the FAA FSDO an d get the Repairmans Certificate.=0A=0ACompleting an existing project if de finitely possible, but make sure that you get documentation of the previous work.- Or, make sure that you can document all the pieces yourself.- I f it's a kit, you will also need the Bill of Sale from the factory and the serial number.=0A=0AGood luck, and let me know if I can be any assistance =0AMalcolm=0Ahttp://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm=0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0AFrom: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net>=0ATo: kolb-lis t(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:53:33 PM=0ASubject: Re: Ko Bob" =0A=0AYou can surely get it approved as E-AB since i t is on the FAA approved =0Alist....The issue is can you get the repairman certificate in your name for =0Athe aircraft....you need to convince the in spector that you have =0Ademonstrated that you built enough of it that you would be able to do the =0Ayearly inspections and any repairs.=0A=0ABob=0A =0A=0A=0AMessage----- =0AFrom: alienwes=0ASent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:2 3 AM=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished ahoo.com>=0A=0ARegulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 5 1% is built by =0Aanother amateur?=0A=0AI am just trying to get answers fro m those who know the ropes a little more =0Athan me when it comes to E-AB. =0A=0A--------=0AWesley Elliott=0ASport Pilot-PPC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this t opic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423 = ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 17, 2013
Subject: different video attempt
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Things are a bit boring here in the South Eastern part of Oregon. The weather is a bit too "western" for fun flying, and I have finished my Annual, so the next best time killer is experimenting with videos. I do like to make them, and of course would like to make them as enjoyable as possible. Of course I am limited by my equipment which is just a normal computer purchased at Costco. My video program is Movie Maker that comes standard on Windows 7. It does not have the ability to lay down sound tracks, so I have depended on what ever music I can get away with putting with it and captions to try to tell the story. I noticed the other day that there is a sound recording function that works on my wife's lap top, and after much trial and error I was finally able to get a sound recording that I thought I could add on the sound track, and narrate the video as I recorded it. To do this I chose a video that I had made last year that had music already added on to it. In other words the video was already made and I reloaded it into the "Movie Maker" as raw video. That allowed me to add "music" to the video. The recorded sound track volume was quite a bit lower than I would have liked, so I had to reduce the background music quite a bit to be able to hear the narration at all. Don't forget to reduce the volume of your speakers when you are done viewing it or you will blast yourself out of your chair the next time you use the sound. I would welcome any thoughts that any of you might have as to whether this is worth the effort. Larry Firestar II 630 hours https://vimeo.com/62048681 password is owyheeflyer -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: different video attempt
From: "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net>
Date: Mar 18, 2013
Larry, I think the narration is an improvement. It's nice to get a little geography/history lesson while watching your videos. Your part of the country is so different from mine. I vote thumbs up. Jimmy Y Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396456#396456 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: different video attempt
Date: Mar 18, 2013
I really liked the new talk over.. boyd >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Larry Cottrell Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:50 PM Subject: Kolb-List: different video attempt Things are a bit boring here in the South Eastern part of Oregon. The weather is a bit too "western" for fun flying, and I have finished my Annual, so the next best time killer is experimenting with videos. I do like to make them, and of course would like to make them as enjoyable as possible. Of course I am limited by my equipment which is just a normal computer purchased at Costco. My video program is Movie Maker that comes standard on Windows 7. It does not have the ability to lay down sound tracks, so I have depended on what ever music I can get away with putting with it and captions to try to tell the story. I noticed the other day that there is a sound recording function that works on my wife's lap top, and after much trial and error I was finally able to get a sound recording that I thought I could add on the sound track, and narrate the video as I recorded it. To do this I chose a video that I had made last year that had music already added on to it. In other words the video was already made and I reloaded it into the "Movie Maker" as raw video. That allowed me to add "music" to the video. The recorded sound track volume was quite a bit lower than I would have liked, so I had to reduce the background music quite a bit to be able to hear the narration at all. Don't forget to reduce the volume of your speakers when you are done viewing it or you will blast yourself out of your chair the next time you use the sound. I would welcome any thoughts that any of you might have as to whether this is worth the effort. Larry Firestar II 630 hours https://vimeo.com/62048681 password is owyheeflyer -- If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar II FOR SALE!
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 18, 2013
He'll fly it when he finds out he won't get that much for it.... I had about $21,000 in my FSII when it was first Airworthy... No way I could have sold it for that much... Would have been LUCKY to get half that much... . I plan on Flying it even when my next plane is finished... it's a cheap plane to fly and maintain... . Not to mention FUN to Fly... . Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" the Flying Dogz . -------- . . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396499#396499 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/plane_at_northern_lights_airpark_007_354.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/jaz__mutt_muffs_009_194.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/hpim0175_841.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: super hi tech panel...
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 18, 2013
I Have one to add... . Gotta Fly... PS I have remote EIS switches at the Throttle... and notice Stall at 27 indicated... -------- . . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396501#396501 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a_firestar_fitting_angle_around_nose_cone_a01_108.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 18, 2013
Subject: A tour of the Pillars of Rome,Or
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
https://vimeo.com/62100084 password owyheeflyer Here is a video that I don't think I have posted and the sound is a bit improved. It could be louder, but might be better than the last one. Larry -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: A tour of the Pillars of Rome, Or
Date: Mar 18, 2013
https://vimeo.com/62100084 password owyheeflyer Here is a video that I don't think I have posted and the sound is a bit improved. It could be louder, but might be better than the last one. Larry Kolbers: That was another good one. Kolbs make very nice camera platforms. I've been lucky to be able to fly all these places Larry shares with us. Thanks, Larry. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 18, 2013
Here's the Factory extension... They were "Labeled" later... . . The extension was free from the company... . The Switches are simple / cheap (contact -open ) . . Gotta Fly... -------- . . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396531#396531 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/throttle_stop_and_eis_remote_switches_421.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A tour of the Pillars of Rome,Or
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Date: Mar 18, 2013
lcottrell wrote: > https://vimeo.com/62100084 (https://vimeo.com/62100084) password owyheeflyer > > Here is a video that I don't think I have posted and the sound is a bit improved. It could be louder, but might be better than the last one. > Larry > > -- > If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. > > > Excellent job Larry! Like many of us, I'm a little on the hard of hearing side.... and had no problem hearing the narrative and the music, both of which enhance the video significantly! -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396533#396533 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Jack Hart ?
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 18, 2013
Is Jack Hart still tinkering with his Firefly ? . Gotta Fly... -------- . . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396542#396542 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 18, 2013
This is what I did to reach the panel. I moved the panel closer. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396544#396544 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg2877_759.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg2859_167.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cimg2368_181.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A tour of the Pillars of Rome, Or
From: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 18, 2013
What a cool place and video! The history behind it gave it that extra piece of entertainment that you dont find in other videos. Wes -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396557#396557 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 19, 2013
Scott do you still own the Firestar? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396574#396574 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Mark 3C owner
From: "Skel" <mursall(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 19, 2013
Hi everyone. I'm the new owner of an incomplete quick build kit from 96. I'm hoping to learn alot from you guys and hopefully contribute as well. I'm a previous (don't hate me) Challenger 2 CWS builder/flyer. This Kolb kit was actually the Demo at oshkosh....the original buyer purchased it from the Kolb booth in 96. When I bought it....the kit was essentially untouched, but is missing some things like the hydraulic brakes master cylinders, cables, push pull tubes, flap and aileron hinges, etc. The tail feathers were covered but unprotected, so I plan on stripping and recovering everything. Here's a pic from the trailer ride home! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396577#396577 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc_0889_872.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 19, 2013
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
speaking of being panel challenged....the Soviets used a stick....:-) Herb ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: different video attempt
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 19, 2013
I agree with the others, Larry. Your latest video had perfect sound levels. Another good thing about your narration is that those of us who have never met you in person now know what you sound like. With Kolbers from so many different places, with so many different accents, it adds another dimension worth having. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396580#396580 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Larry's video
From: Mike Hale <halesbeer(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 19, 2013
Very nice indeed I hope to make the next gathering at your place Larry. Are you doing it this year? Mike FS2 Cell 206-963-2118 Bas spellong blaned on ophone :) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 19, 2013
Subject: $25,000 offered for nice Kolb Mark III w/Rotax 912
From: Dennis W Urban <urband(at)juno.com>
Wanted for purchase: Kolb Mark III. I am offering a price as high as I have seen advertised, so I feel this is a fair offer. Hurry, because I plan to buy one as soon as I find the right one. If your plane is not quite what I say I want, certainly feel free to call or email and suggest a lower price and tell me what you have. I wanted to put a ballpark price to let you know I am not trying to lowball you. I would consider other 4-stroke engines, but no 2-strokes. I will pay $25,000 cash for a really nice Mark III Extra with Rotax 912ULS, full enclosure, low time, good condition, dual controls, all logbooks, good damage history. Or $20,000 for a nice Mark III Classic with 912, full enclosure, in good condition and all logbooks and good damage history. Not necessary, but I have an Advanced Aviation Carrera 140 (N928RA) ELSA that I would offer in partial trade (worth $7,500 - flew 60 hours last year, about 800 hours AF, 11 hours engine) - 19 gallons fuel, Rotax 503DCDI, King transponder, Icom A4, VSI, ASI, CHT, EGT, tach, logbooks. I want to upgrade to a 2-seat, 4-stroke and I like the Mark III. Call or email with details and N-number. Thanks, Dennis Urban 11855 Lower Horse Valley Road Upperstrasburg, PA 17265 717-349-7756 urband(at)juno.com ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 19, 2013
Subject: Re: New Mark 3C owner
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Since you're planning on hydraulic brakes; one, be sure to do your research on how the calipers work, some brands (early Matco) are just crap (IMOH). If you examine how they are meant to work you find that you have to do a lot of shimming to keep the fixed pad next to the disc or something has to bend when the brakes are applied. Two, be sure to provide yourself with a large access hole in the nose cone to do maintenance on the brakes and instruments. Three, make the instrument panel removable. Four, put the mag switches, the fuel boost pump, and the start switch in an overhead panel so you can reach them in flight without having to undo your shoulder straps. Five, If you haven't wired an airplane before, or even if you have, for that matter, join the Aeroelectric forum here on Matronics and get Bob's manual. Using his architecture on both mine and Ken Holle's Mk III made the job easy. Bob has ready made wiring schematics for both the two stroke Rotax and the 912. When you make a mistake you'll have someone to help you get back on track if you need it. Five, when you get to the flying part make your first landings on the mains, i.e. wheel it on, then gradually slow down until you can wheel it on three. If you try to do a full stall landing you'll land on the tail wheel and have to spend an evening with Mr. Hydraulic Press straightening your main gear legs. That's about all I can think of right off. Rick Girard On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Skel wrote: > > Hi everyone. I'm the new owner of an incomplete quick build kit from 96. > I'm hoping to learn alot from you guys and hopefully contribute as well. > I'm a previous (don't hate me) Challenger 2 CWS builder/flyer. This Kolb > kit was actually the Demo at oshkosh....the original buyer purchased it > from the Kolb booth in 96. When I bought it....the kit was essentially > untouched, but is missing some things like the hydraulic brakes master > cylinders, cables, push pull tubes, flap and aileron hinges, etc. The tail > feathers were covered but unprotected, so I plan on stripping and > recovering everything. Here's a pic from the trailer ride home! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396577#396577 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc_0889_872.jpg > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net>
Subject: $25,000 offered for nice Kolb Mark III w/Rotax 912
Date: Mar 19, 2013
Dennis I have a Mark 3 C for sale and I am located in Tennessee phone number 423 748 4336 I am motivated From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W Urban Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:09 PM Subject: Kolb-List: $25,000 offered for nice Kolb Mark III w/Rotax 912 Wanted for purchase: Kolb Mark III. I am offering a price as high as I have seen advertised, so I feel this is a fair offer. Hurry, because I plan to buy one as soon as I find the right one. If your plane is not quite what I say I want, certainly feel free to call or email and suggest a lower price and tell me what you have. I wanted to put a ballpark price to let you know I am not trying to lowball you. I would consider other 4-stroke engines, but no 2-strokes. I will pay $25,000 cash for a really nice Mark III Extra with Rotax 912ULS, full enclosure, low time, good condition, dual controls, all logbooks, good damage history. Or $20,000 for a nice Mark III Classic with 912, full enclosure, in good condition and all logbooks and good damage history. Not necessary, but I have an Advanced Aviation Carrera 140 (N928RA) ELSA that I would offer in partial trade (worth $7,500 - flew 60 hours last year, about 800 hours AF, 11 hours engine) - 19 gallons fuel, Rotax 503DCDI, King transponder, Icom A4, VSI, ASI, CHT, EGT, tach, logbooks. I want to upgrade to a 2-seat, 4-stroke and I like the Mark III. Call or email with details and N-number. Thanks, Dennis Urban 11855 Lower Horse Valley Road Upperstrasburg, PA 17265 717-349-7756 urband(at)juno.com ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. <http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: $25,000 offered for nice Kolb Mark III w/Rotax 912
From: "Dennis Urban" <urband(at)juno.com>
Date: Mar 20, 2013
Steve, I'll call you either this evening or tomorrow. Thanks, Dennis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396636#396636 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Mark 3C owner
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 20, 2013
Skel' Where do you live? -----Original Message----- From: Skel <mursall(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:24 am Subject: Kolb-List: New Mark 3C owner Hi everyone. I'm the new owner of an incomplete quick build kit from 96. I'm hoping to learn alot from you guys and hopefully contribute as well. I'm a previous (don't hate me) Challenger 2 CWS builder/flyer. This Kolb kit was actually the Demo at oshkosh....the original buyer purchased it from the Ko lb booth in 96. When I bought it....the kit was essentially untouched, but is missing some things like the hydraulic brakes master cylinders, cables, pus h pull tubes, flap and aileron hinges, etc. The tail feathers were covered b ut unprotected, so I plan on stripping and recovering everything. Here's a pi c from the trailer ride home! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396577#396577 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc_0889_872.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 20, 2013
Ducati SS wrote: > Scott do you still own the Firestar? Sure. I still own it. I must be in a rut. Two things I would do differently with the panel if I had to do it again. 1. Paint it black. White looks nice until it is reflecting on the windshield. 2. Make sure the compass sits level in flight. I should have known better. I have to slow down and fly slightly higher AOA to get it to turn freely. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396679#396679 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 20, 2013
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Sun 'n Fun 2013 Pilot Registration Process
=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp: //michigansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmake r =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A----- Forwarded Message -----=0AFrom: Barbara Flynn <barbaraf(at)fha.org> =0ATo: "dav1673758(at)aol.com" =0ASent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:30 AM=0ASubject: Sun 'n Fun 2013 Pilot Registration Process=0A =0A=0A =0A =0AThe Sun =98n Fun staff and volunteers are very excited about all the changes going on in Paradise City this year.=C2- We have a longer runway, LSA Mall, rotorcraft and a new layout for the area.=C2- P lus almost all of the vendor spaces are sold.=C2- =0A=C2- =0AWe antici pate that we will have more pilots flying in Paradise City this year.=C2- With that in mind, we want to make Pilot Registration as quick and easy as possible this year and are offering you the opportunity to pre-register an d skip the hassle of registering on-site.=C2- You can complete your regis tration for 2013 by going to the following secure website:=C2- http://www .snflp.info/ and typing in your information. You must receive a =9Cco nfirmation screen=9D to assure that your information has been receive d/recorded.=C2- That=99s all there is to it.=C2- =0A=C2- =0ATh is year, we are implementing a Waiver-to-Fly policy.=C2- As you probably remember, all pilots have been required to sign a release/waiver prior to g etting their pilot number and attending a briefing.=C2- Starting this yea r, all pilots and all passengers in an aircraft need to sign a release/waiv er prior to flying from Sun =98n Fun.=C2- This includes transient a ircraft.=C2- So I am attaching a copy of both the Adult and the Minor Chi ld Waiver to this e-mail.=C2- You can save time if you print and have the se forms ready when you sign in at HQ this year.=C2- Everyone in an aircr aft taking off from Sun =98n Fun will need to have a waiver on file a nd will have to have the proper armband on.=C2- The flight line volunteer s will be checking for these armbands.=C2- =0A=C2- =0AIn addition, as time goes on we are trying to become more eco friendly and not kill so many trees.=C2- So we are going paperless where ever possible.=C2- This yea r, we will print a limited number of Pilot AirOps Information Booklets.=C2 - However, I have also attached a copy for you so that you can read the i nformation before you arrive at Sun =98n Fun.=C2- =0A=C2- =0AIf you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. =0A=C2- =0ABarbar a Flynn ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Arksey(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 20, 2013
Subject: Re: A tour of the Pillars of Rome,Or
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming--WOW-- What a ride!" "Tact is the ability to tell a person where to go and make them feel glad to be on their way." Jim and June Swan, 6147 Wilcox Rd., Eaton Rapids, Mi 48827 ph 517-663-8488 In a message dated 3/18/2013 3:45:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com writes: _https://vimeo.com/62100084_ (https://vimeo.com/62100084) password owyheeflyer Here is a video that I don't think I have posted and the sound is a bit improved. It could be louder, but might be better than the last one. Larry -- If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Arksey(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 20, 2013
Subject: Re: A tour of the Pillars of Rome,Or
enjoyed the video Larry....thanks for posting....great country....jim Swan Jim Swan Kolb Firestar ll, 503 Rotax , 6147 Wilcox Rd., Eaton Rapids, Mi 48827 ph 517-663-8488 GPS GPS FOR MY RUNWAY N 42 deg 28.581 W084deg 44.825 facebook link _https://www.facebook.com/JIMSWAN1930 In a message dated 3/18/2013 3:45:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, l _ (https://www.facebook.com/JIMSWAN1930In a message dated 3/18/2013 3:45:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, l) _https://vimeo.com/62100084_ (https://vimeo.com/62100084) _ password owyheeflyer Here is a video that I don't think I have posted and the sound is a bit improved. It could be louder, but might be better than the last one. Larry -- If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. _ (https://www.facebook.com/JIMSWAN1930) (https://www.facebook.com/JIMSWAN1930) _http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (https://www.facebook.com/JIMSWAN1930) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 21, 2013
Scott - I am in South Argyle, have a Firefly and a 850' strip. If you are in the area srop in. Along Rt. 40 about 4 mi. south of Dick's. Right pattern ( due to cell tower ) for an approach from the North. Land from north depart to North. From north first 500 ft. upgrade, next 200 ft. downgrade, last 150 ft steep downgrade. Wheels down by shrub line or go around. Strip is about 250' East of Rt. 40 , house, detached garage and hanger are East of strip. Wind sock next to shed in shrub line. Hump at about 125" on north end, less on left side. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396734#396734 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 21, 2013
Scott, Are you still at 4B1 ? I plan on taking a couple of trips up there this summer Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396739#396739 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 21, 2013
Just to be clear - cell tower is on hill east of strip. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396742#396742 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 21, 2013
olendorf wrote: > This is what I did to reach the panel. I moved the panel closer. Scott That's excellent! Did it change the weight & balance much ? Thanks for the post. Dennis -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396746#396746 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 21, 2013
Ducati SS wrote: > Scott - I am in South Argyle, have a Firefly and a 850' strip. If you are in the area srop in. Along Rt. 40 about 4 mi. south of Dick's. Right pattern ( due to cell tower ) for an approach from the North. Land from north depart to North. From north first 500 ft. upgrade, next 200 ft. downgrade, last 150 ft steep downgrade. Wheels down by shrub line or go around. Strip is about 250' East of Rt. 40 , house, detached garage and hanger are East of strip. Wind sock next to shed in shrub line. Hump at about 125" on north end, less on left side. I don't go up to Argyle too much. It's right about my round trip limit. I'd feel better if I could get some fuel up there. I'll add it to my GPS. I think I found it on Google maps but there are so many fields up there I should get GPS coordinates from you. Where did you get your Firefly? There was a guy up around Argyle named Bruce and I test flew his Firefly for him 6 or 7 years ago. I don't know if he is still flying it. I'll try to get up to Argyle this year. It would be nice to see some other Kolbs around. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396748#396748 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 21, 2013
tombaisley wrote: > Scott, > > Are you still at 4B1 ? I plan on taking a couple of trips up there this summer > > Tom Yes. Still at 4B1. It's pretty dead here. I hope someone is planning on mowing this year. The airport is for sale. We need an enthusiastic aviation guy to buy it. It is a great light-sport airport. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396749#396749 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
Date: Mar 21, 2013
Yes. Still at 4B1 Scott Olendorf Scott O/Kolbers: Flew right by Duanesburg, NY, in 1989, the second year I flew my Firestar to the NE. Didn't know it was there at the time. I cut across the north side of Albany Airport west to catch the Interstate and south to Bert Howland's in Maryland, NY. That is a beautiful area to fly. Lots of little grass strips stuck here and there. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 21, 2013
I'm flying a FS I from here: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=42.316067,-75.629315&ll=42.315556,-75.629003&spn=0.003042,0.004844&num=1&t=h&z=18 My son lives in Rotterdamn so I hope to make a "few" trips to Duanseburg this summer, I have never been able to find the airstrip in Maryland,NY? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396768#396768 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
Date: Mar 21, 2013
My son lives in Rotterdamn so I hope to make a "few" trips to Duanseburg this summer, I have never been able to find the airstrip in Maryland,NY? Kolbers: Bert Howland's airstrip may not exist anymore. Bert died in late 1994 or 95. He had moved to Debary, FL, a few years before he passed away. Bert's airstrip was between on the strip of land between the river and State Highway 7, downtown Maryland. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 22, 2013
Scott, I built my Firefly. I know Bruce, last I spoke with him he still owns his but is looking for a field to operate out of. I met you years ago at Johnstown, the Firestar was on a trailer with a bent gear leg behind a red Camaro, Ed DeRossi was flying the crap out of his Rotorway. Do not worry about fuel, I keep a good supply on hand. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396790#396790 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 22, 2013
Ducati SS wrote: > Scott, > .., the Firestar was on a trailer with a bent gear leg behind a red Camaro, ... We shall not speak of that -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396797#396797 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 22, 2013
Oops..................Well, let me tell you about the time I set off an ELT by landing a 172 nose wheel first. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396801#396801 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fwd: different video attempt
From: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 22, 2013
I am looking forward to your new videos as I enjoyed the one you just posted very much! When the time is right I am selling my PPC and getting a Kolb so I can fly in a little higher winds. With my Powered Parachute I am limited to 15 mph at the MAX and that is not a comfortable flights. How about the mornings and evenings in Oregon? It must stop blowing sometime..... -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396825#396825 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 22, 2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: different video attempt
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Actually the wind doesn't always blow here in Oregon. It is more of a seasonal thing. Which part of Oregon determines when the wind blows. I lived in the South central part of the state for quite a long time. The best times to fly was from Daybreak until about 11AM. The wind would blow from about 12PM to 4 or 5 PM then drop. Here in the far eastern part of the state, the wind blows until about 8 AM and is good until about 2 PM then it is varying degrees of wind. The only bad part of that is the thermals during the summer as the temps rise. Having said all that, to me flying in wind isn't a bunch of fun in a Kolb or any aircraft for that matter.. It is however much safer than a PPC. The Kolb will handle it, it just isn't something that I enjoy doing. Worst case you could not be in a better aircraft because they can handle it, generally much better than you. My last flight to the Alvord was 1.5 hours. The wind was kicking up and on my return I had a 20 MPH tail wind. I had a headache and a bit of nausea for the rest of the day. Since I am gainfully unemployed (retired) it is easy for me to just wait it out. Probably a bit spoiled as well. Some of the Kolbs handle the wind a bit better than others. I have been told that the little Fire Fly handles wind better than say, the Firestar. Of course the Mark III does quite well, but as for fun, I am not sure any of the models would qualify for that. I will let others decide that for themselves. I have seen some guys that flew in here in Mark III's that were a bit green and amazed that they were alive. :-) Larry On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:31 PM, alienwes wrote: > > I am looking forward to your new videos as I enjoyed the one you just > posted very much! When the time is right I am selling my PPC and getting a > Kolb so I can fly in a little higher winds. With my Powered Parachute I am > limited to 15 mph at the MAX and that is not a comfortable flights. How > about the mornings and evenings in Oregon? It must stop blowing > sometime..... > > -------- > Wesley Elliott > Sport Pilot-PPC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396825#396825 > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: different video attempt
Date: Mar 22, 2013
I have seen some guys that flew in here in Mark III's that were a bit green and amazed that they were alive. :-) During my initial approach to the Rock House in 2009, the wind was a bit brisk. Am told approaching 50 mph. I was squeezing the stick grip so hard I popped the mike button right out. I try to relax a bit more now days. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 22, 2013
Subject: Re: Fwd: different video attempt
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Well, I was thinking more of JB and Bruce, I think if their mouths hadn't been so dry they would have kissed the ground. Larry On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM, John Hauck wrote: > ** ** > > I have seen some guys that flew in here in Mark III's that were a bit > green and amazed that they were alive. :-) **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > During my initial approach to the Rock House in 2009, the wind was a bit > brisk. Am told approaching 50 mph. I was squeezing the stick grip so > hard I popped the mike button right out. I try to relax a bit more now > days.**** > > ** ** > > john h**** > > mkIII**** > > Titus, Alabama**** > > * * > > * * > > * > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: wind
Date: Mar 23, 2013
Well, I guess if you want to fly in the wind a bit more comfortably, you need to get a slingshot. My little bugger is a tad heavy but it flies really well in wind and especially a cross wind for landing. Ted Cowan, slingshot, 912UL zoom zoom. When the weather clears, lets all go and roast that little rodent groundhog. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: different video attempt
Date: Mar 23, 2013
Well, I was thinking more of JB and Bruce, I think if their mouths hadn't been so dry they would have kissed the ground. Larry OK, now I remember. It was their first "real" taste of Oregon wind, on their first flight West. Wasn't my first flight West, but it certainly had my attention, and I was extremely happy to be back on Mother Earth. That had to be a very exciting flight for John B and Bruce C. During a thunderstorm at the Rock House, we looked out the window helplessly watching the hail pound the crap out of the Kolbs, then watching all of them hover a foot off the ground while tethered to the tie down cable. An exciting morning. Alright! I found the video John B made of my landing. I had flown non-stop from Elko, NV, direct, well as direct as I can fly, to the Rock House. The first 30 minutes of the flight were great, then the wind kicked up until it was screaming. I ended up climbing to over 10,000 feet trying to get out of the turbulence and head wind, to no avail. I was very glad to see the Rock House, however, I was apprehensive about landing in that much wind. I was lucky. The wind was blowing right down the short cross wind strip. I carried cruise power right down to touch down. As you watch the video, listen to the wind and the sound of the 912ULS on approach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMYsdarPcnY Just another day at the Rock House. Weather is extremely lousy at hauck's holler. Waiting for my buddy Will Uribe, Kolb Firestar builder/flyer, from El Paso, TX, to arrive. Looks like this will be a good day to pull out old photos and reminisce a bit. In a couple weeks it will be time to fly to Lakeland. Looking forward to the change in weather and some airplane noise. Always great to see old friends and make new ones at Lakeland. I'll be camping in the UL/Light Plane tie down/camping area, but Miss P'fer will probably be tied down at the Kolb display. My MKIII is a good example of the "after" in "before and after", after 21 years and 3,200.0 hours. Paint is eroded off the tail and leading edges of the wings, the cockpit shows the scuff marks and time spent in the seat, but she still flies and works just as hard now as she did when she was new. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: wind
Date: Mar 23, 2013
Well, I guess if you want to fly in the wind a bit more comfortably, you need to get a slingshot. My little bugger is a tad heavy but it flies really well in wind and especially a cross wind for landing. Ted Cowan, slingshot, 912UL zoom zoom. When the weather clears, lets all go and roast that little rodent groundhog. Ted C/Kolbers: Why wait for the weather to clear. Looking out the window right now, looks like a perfect morning for flying a Sling Shot. ;-) john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 24, 2013
If any one is interested in a look at the Kolb Factory's design , here is the overhead hoop (4130) ,and side bows (4130 Steel) RH and LH for the Kolb Firestar. I'm still undecided about which of the many canopy designs to incorporate on my Firestar, so I will sell these if I decide not to use them. -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396906#396906 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn3689_751.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 24, 2013
Subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Dennis, I have had my Firestar since 97, I have been through most of the variations of windscreens. I have been from the tiny piece of lexan to a full factory enclosure. All have their good and bad sides. The tiny screen was discarded quite soon. I found that the wind hit me in the face and the resultant snot streaks on my glasses were off putting to say the least. Next I bought a full enclosure from Kolb, and didn't like the post in the middle of my vision, so I left it off. On a windy day the wind snatched the lexan out of my hand and snapped it like a piece of glass. I repaired it and used the entire enclosure on my trip to New Mexico. I used it because I had stuff stacked in the interior for my camping. I found that it cost me several MPG and MPH due to the wind grabbing on to the square back side of the curtain. On my return I took the fabric back window off and found that it wasn't noticeably colder without it than with it. Then I decided that I wanted doors and ended up with my current set up. It suits me for once. I have a big enough door that I can sit on the seat and get my head in without any strain and can swing my legs and feet in with little effort. I used the kit from Kolb, and did a few mods to it to make it work for me. I welded some tabs on the top of the hoop, and made a rod that goes from the tabs to my dash. I also welded a tab on the end and I fastened that to the dash in the upper corner. That gave me both bracing and a platform to rivet a door to. One of the problems that I had with all the other things I tried was that the wind would cave in the sides of the lexan. Now, although I could have done a better job on making the door frames, I have got to be really "rock and rolling" for the lexan to flex. I am 6 feet tall and a bit chunkier than I really need to be, but I have no problems at all with getting in or out. The wind all goes around, and the prop still gets air. For what its worth, Larry On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Dennis Thate wrote: > > If any one is interested in a look at the Kolb Factory's design , here is > the overhead hoop (4130) ,and side bows (4130 Steel) RH and LH for the Kolb > Firestar. > I'm still undecided about which of the many canopy designs to incorporate > on my Firestar, so I will sell these if I decide not to use them. > > -------- > Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist > invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can't reach the Panel...
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 24, 2013
Dennis Thate wrote: > > > That's excellent! Did it change the weight & balance much ? > > Thanks for the post. > Dennis I didn't notice any change but at the same time I built an entire new enclosure so I wouldn't be able to separate the panel's effect anyway. Definitely something to think about though when making changes. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396929#396929 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 24, 2013
Thanks for posting your experiences with the many variations of your Firestar cockpit's windscreens and the clear photos you posted ....it's a great help. Especially regarding my concerns about choking off prop air. This forum can be invaluable asset at times. Eleanor Roosevelt - "Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. " Fly Safe Dennis -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396930#396930 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 24, 2013
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Jack Hart ?
> >Is Jack Hart still tinkering with his Firefly ? >. >Gotta Fly... > Yes, but at greatly reduced speed. Spent two years rebuilding a post and beam barn to make it into something useful. My wife sounds the alarm if I spray any thing in my basement work shop. It will continue to be slow for the next six months as the wife had a total back reconstruction. She is home and doing well, but I am the primary care giver. The current goal is get her well enough to go out for ice cream on June 16th our 50th wedding aniversary. Been working on a better center section. Also working on the cad program to add droop wing tips that will add a few more square feet of wing area and greatly reduce induced drag. All in the hopes of getting a little more climb rate and speed out of the 27 hp. Snowing again Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Mark 3C owner
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote: > Skel' > Where do you live? > > > > -- His Avatar sez Canada... . Speaking of unfinished Kolbs.... . "Big Lar" had that Mark III " Vamoose" Did anybody ever get that plane in the Air...??? . Did he sell it ? . Gotta Fly... -------- . . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397112#397112 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Sherwood <mike_sherwood(at)base36.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
Subject: Questions about buying a used Kolb
Hello gang, I am very interested in buying a used fixed-wing ultralight, but have numerous questions. I'd love to lean on some of your expertise. ** About me ** I'm an avid free flight and powered paraglider pilot. I'm an instructor for the USPPA (US Powered Paragliding Association). Ten years ago, I came close to my private pilot license but bailed for personal reasons before finishing. I have a couple friends that recently acquired some Phantoms and another that is flying a gyrocopter now. I need something that has more airspeed than my paraglider. I feel that I'd really like to have two seats (thought most my flying will be solo). My desire for 2 seats is based upon having so many solo hours already in my time paragliding. I'd also like to be able to trailer the aircraft. With these criteria, I've arrived at the Firestar II, the Slingshot, and possibly the Mark III. I feel that both the Firestar II and Slingshot will feel great solo, and allow me to grab a friend on occasion. ** Questions ** Choice of aircraft? Given my criteria above, do you agree? If so, should I include other aircraft in this search as well? When purchasing used, what are the main criteria to examine to ascertain condition? If the aircraft flies okay, are there other quick tests that I can do to the motor to make sure it's not a lemon? TTAF hours -- I see a lot of used aircraft between 100-400 hours. Is there a TTAF number where one should start to be wary? Skin -- How frequently does one need to reskin a Kolb? I see a lot of aircraft from the late 1990s -- will these need reskinning soon? Maintenance intervals -- Are there well known maintenance intervals that get expensive (skin, motor rebuild, etc?) Trailer -- Does a Firestar II/Slingshot fit nicely in an "ordinary" enclosed 24ft trailer? Are there specs you can share me for a trailer that works? The propeller seems high enough that it might be awkward. I've seen custom trailers too... making me wonder if an 'ordinary' trailer simply isn't the right shape. Transport -- Are there creative ways of moving these aircraft around the country? I live in Maine and many of the aircraft I've seen would require me to drive 50+ hours. Is it common/possible/cost-effective to ship by rail or semi-truck? Thanks in advance for the help and advice! Mike ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 26, 2013
From: Robert Gillisse <thermal_hunter2002(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Questions about buying a used Kolb
ref: are there other quick tests that I can do to the motor to make sure it 's not a lemon?=0A=0A...do a compression test!! Should be between 90-120. =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Mike Sherwood <mike_sh erwood(at)base36.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, March 26 , 2013 3:22 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Questions about buying a used Kolb=0A =0A=0AHello gang, =0A=0AI am very interested in buying a used fixed-wing ul tralight, but have numerous questions. I'd love to lean on some of your exp ertise.-=0A=0A** About me **=0AI'm an avid free flight and powered paragl ider pilot. I'm an instructor for the USPPA (US Powered Paragliding Associa tion). Ten years ago, I came close to my private pilot license but bailed f or personal reasons before finishing.-=0A=0AI have a couple friends that recently acquired some Phantoms and another that is flying a gyrocopter now . I need something that has more airspeed than my paraglider. I feel that I 'd really like to have two seats (thought most my flying will be solo). My desire for 2 seats is based upon having so many solo hours already in my ti me paragliding. I'd also like to be able to trailer the aircraft. With thes e criteria, I've arrived at the Firestar II, the Slingshot, and possibly th e Mark III. I feel that both the Firestar II and Slingshot will feel great solo, and allow me to grab a friend on-occasion.-=0A=0A** Questions ** =0A=0AChoice of aircraft? Given my criteria above, do you agree? If so, sho uld I include other aircraft in this search as well?-=0A=0AWhen purchasin g used, what are the main criteria to examine to ascertain condition? If th e aircraft flies okay, are there other quick tests that I can do to the mot or to make sure it's not a lemon?=0A=0ATTAF hours -- I see a lot of used ai rcraft between 100-400 hours. Is there a TTAF number where one should start to be wary?=0A=0ASkin -- How frequently does one need to reskin a Kolb? I see a lot of aircraft from the late 1990s -- will these need reskinning soo n?=0A=0AMaintenance intervals -- Are there well known maintenance intervals that get expensive (skin, motor rebuild, etc?)=0A=0ATrailer -- Does a Fire star II/Slingshot fit nicely in an "ordinary" enclosed 24ft trailer? Are th ere specs you can share me for a trailer that works? The propeller seems hi gh enough that it might be awkward. I've seen custom trailers too... making me wonder if an 'ordinary' trailer simply isn't the right shape.=0A=0ATran sport -- Are there creative ways of moving these aircraft around the countr y? I live in Maine and many of the aircraft I've seen would require me to d rive 50+ hours. Is it common/possible/cost-effective to ship by rail or sem i-truck? -=0A=0AThanks in advance for the help and advice!=0A=0A=0AMike ============== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Questions about buying a used Kolb
From: Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
Mike give me a call sometime i have a couple kolbs i also live in Maine 207 -991-4580 Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: mike_sherwood(at)base36.com Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 12:53 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Questions about buying a used Kolb Hello gang, I am very interested in buying a used fixed-wing ultralight, but have numer ous questions. I'd love to lean on some of your expertise. ** About me **I'm an avid free flight and powered paraglider pilot. I'm an instructor for the USPPA (US Powered Paragliding Association). Ten years ag o, I came close to my private pilot license but bailed for personal reasons before finishing. I have a couple friends that recently acquired some Phantoms and another th at is flying a gyrocopter now. I need something that has more airspeed than my paraglider. I feel that I'd really like to have two seats (thought most my flying will be solo). My desire for 2 seats is based upon having so man y solo hours already in my time paragliding. I'd also like to be able to tr ailer the aircraft. With these criteria, I've arrived at the Firestar II, t he Slingshot, and possibly the Mark III. I feel that both the Firestar II a nd Slingshot will feel great solo, and allow me to grab a friend onoccasion . ** Questions ** Choice of aircraft? Given my criteria above, do you agree? If so, should I include other aircraft in this search as well? When purchasing used, what are the main criteria to examine to ascertain co ndition? If the aircraft flies okay, are there other quick tests that I can do to the motor to make sure it's not a lemon? TTAF hours -- I see a lot of used aircraft between 100-400 hours. Is there a TTAF number where one should start to be wary? Skin -- How frequently does one need to reskin a Kolb? I see a lot of aircr aft from the late 1990s -- will these need reskinning soon? Maintenance intervals -- Are there well known maintenance intervals that ge t expensive (skin, motor rebuild, etc?)Trailer -- Does a Firestar II/Slings hot fit nicely in an "ordinary" enclosed 24ft trailer? Are there specs you can share me for a trailer that works? The propeller seems high enough that it might be awkward. I've seen custom trailers too... making me wonder if an 'ordinary' trailer simply isn't the right shape. Transport -- Are there creative ways of moving these aircraft around the co untry? I live in Maine and many of the aircraft I've seen would require me to drive 50+ hours. Is it common/possible/cost-effective to ship by rail or semi-truck? Thanks in advance for the help and advice! Mike ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 26, 2013
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Questions about buying a used Kolb
Hi Mike, another ppger here... I still love PPG but actually being able to GO somewhere is nice, too! I'm flying a single seat Ultrastar but I can understand the desire for a second seat. Would be nice to have more room for camping gear, too. I don't think you can carry a very big friend in a FSII, though. Wing and tail fabric is mainly degraded by UV exposure. Since nearly all Kolbs are stored indoors, the fabric should last a long time. You can do a punch test with a fabric tester to determine whether it's still good. A recover job is fairly pricey, but the main thing is labor, it's tedious. Engine, Rotax recommends certain maintenance intervals but since these are experimental aircraft, many people ignore them and have no trouble. I've never owned a Rotax, though, so others are more qualified to respond. Trailer... lots of variety here. I don't know the exact dimensions, but most are custom. An assortment are described here: <http://www.oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm> The important thing is that the boom needs to be properly supported when the wings are folded. Often, Kolbs for sale will come with the trailer... mine did. Transport... if it comes with the trailer, trailer it home if driving that far is an option. I suppose you could flatbed the trailer if you don't want to tow it that far yourself. If no custom trailer (boom support etc.), you need to pack it very carefully to avoid damage. Best is to simply fly it home if possible. Dana At 03:22 PM 3/26/2013, Mike Sherwood wrote: >Hello gang, > >I am very interested in buying a used fixed-wing ultralight, but have >numerous questions. I'd love to lean on some of your expertise. > >** About me ** >I'm an avid free flight and powered paraglider pilot. I'm an instructor >for the USPPA (US Powered Paragliding Association). Ten years ago, I came >close to my private pilot license but bailed for personal reasons before >finishing. > >I have a couple friends that recently acquired some Phantoms and another >that is flying a gyrocopter now. I need something that has more airspeed >than my paraglider. I feel that I'd really like to have two seats (thought >most my flying will be solo). My desire for 2 seats is based upon having >so many solo hours already in my time paragliding. I'd also like to be >able to trailer the aircraft. With these criteria, I've arrived at the >Firestar II, the Slingshot, and possibly the Mark III. I feel that both >the Firestar II and Slingshot will feel great solo, and allow me to grab a >friend on occasion. > >** Questions ** > >Choice of aircraft? Given my criteria above, do you agree? If so, should I >include other aircraft in this search as well? > >When purchasing used, what are the main criteria to examine to ascertain >condition? If the aircraft flies okay, are there other quick tests that I >can do to the motor to make sure it's not a lemon? > >TTAF hours -- I see a lot of used aircraft between 100-400 hours. Is there >a TTAF number where one should start to be wary? > >Skin -- How frequently does one need to reskin a Kolb? I see a lot of >aircraft from the late 1990s -- will these need reskinning soon? > >Maintenance intervals -- Are there well known maintenance intervals that >get expensive (skin, motor rebuild, etc?) > >Trailer -- Does a Firestar II/Slingshot fit nicely in an "ordinary" >enclosed 24ft trailer? Are there specs you can share me for a trailer that >works? The propeller seems high enough that it might be awkward. I've seen >custom trailers too... making me wonder if an 'ordinary' trailer simply >isn't the right shape. > >Transport -- Are there creative ways of moving these aircraft around the >country? I live in Maine and many of the aircraft I've seen would require >me to drive 50+ hours. Is it common/possible/cost-effective to ship by >rail or semi-truck? > >Thanks in advance for the help and advice! > >Mike > > > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -- It did what? Well, it's not supposed to do that. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 26, 2013
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: CAN AM
HI ALL YOU KOLBERS ! DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING GOOD OR BAD ABOUT CAN AM (RO TAX) V TWIN ATV ENGINE 400, 500, 650, 800, ANY ONE KNOW WHAT A 40HP 500CC W EIGHS THE TRANSMSION COME SEPARATE SO KNOW EXTRA WEIGHT LIKE TYPICAL MOTORC YCLE ENGINE AND THEY TURN UP 10000 RPMS OVERHEAD CAM , FUEL INJECTED SOUNDS LIKE A CHANCE TO BE SOMETHING IF THEY ARE NOT TOO HEAVY I CANT FIND THE WE IGHT ANYWHERE -BUT YOU CAN BUY ONE WITH 53 HOURS ON IT FOR 1800 DOLLARS S OUNDS LIKE A DEAL ??????????????=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlide r Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Questions about buying a used Kolb
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
If you post a Hotmail or g-mail address.. you will get more responses privately then from just the forum. Many very helpful Kolb Pilots just don't like to post publicly. [Idea] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397143#397143 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James Dustin" <jimd4414(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Questions about buying a used Kolb
Date: Mar 26, 2013
Thanks. If anyone can help me with my username and password please email me at: jimd4414(at)hotmail.com . The one I thought it was doesn't work. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Thate<mailto:retroman(at)frontier.com> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:44 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Questions about buying a used Kolb > If you post a Hotmail or g-mail address.. you will get more responses privately then from just the forum. Many very helpful Kolb Pilots just don't like to post publicly. [Idea] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397143#397143 .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397143#397143> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List igator?Kolb-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Questions about buying a used Kolb
Date: Mar 27, 2013
If you sometimes need 2 seats the answer is made for you. A Mk 3. You can`t put a `sometime` seat in a solo machine.. If you want to `go somewhere`.Mark 3 is fine. You won`t get there quickly but you will get there. In a Mark 3 you can always put 20 or even 40 extra litres of fuel on the passengers seat in jerry cans. There is plenty of room for soft stuff.Sleeping bags etc in the nose. Ask John H. Of course he carries about 2 tons of gear hun g in a hammock between the wheels but there is no need to go that far. are there other quick tests that I can do to the motor to make sure it's not a lemon?>> Don`t you guys have to keep an engine log book? Or even keep one for your own records.? Mine shows hours run. Any mods. Maintenance.What I did to the engine at the annual etc There is also a log book for the airframe. I put a note of adjustments, changes of trim etc.Scrapes, hangar rash touch ups patches..New instruments etc. These Log Books go with the plane on change of ownership. They are of course separate from my personal log which has . Descriptions of flights. photos etc.Crazy Horse` Mustang at Kissimmee, Stearman at Key West, T6 or a Texan at North Island New Zealand, .A Norseman on floats in Sydney Harbour Australia, A weight shift over Victoria Falls, Africa. Jet Provost Trainer at Kemble UK. Buccaneer Amphibian at Lake Wales, L-39 Delphin Jet at Marathon in the Keys etc. Now that I am grounded my old logs are invaluable. Even my old Gliding log Books from 1960 onwards remind me of a particular flight, where I landed out, how high or how long the flight was. Good luck Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lee" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net>
Subject: landing gear alignment
Date: Mar 27, 2013
Hey everyone, I am going to be installing new gear legs on my Twinstar MK II soon. My question is do you align your tires to be perfectly straight or do you toe the front in a little ? thanks for any responses. Lee.. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: landing gear alignment
Date: Mar 27, 2013
I am going to be installing new gear legs on my Twinstar MK II soon. My question is do you align your tires to be perfectly straight or do you toe the front in a little ? thanks for any responses. Lee.. Lee/Kolbers: I don't know what the Factory specs are, but I have always used a tiny bit of toe-in on my Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII. Sorry, I can't give you a precise measurement. If there is any toe-out, the gear legs will splay outwards, especially on pavement. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 27, 2013
Subject: Re: landing gear alignment
From: Roy Spangler <roy.spangler(at)kirtland.edu>
Lee, Small amount of toe in with sand bags or whatever in the seat aircraft rolled ahead about 3 feet and have the tail in the flying position. This would simulate a take off and landing attitude. for what it's worth ! roy On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Lee wrote: > Hey everyone,**** > > I am going to be installing new gear legs on my Twinstar MK II soon.**** > > My question is do you align your tires to be perfectly straight or do you > toe the front in a little ?**** > > thanks for any responses.**** > > Lee..**** > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: landing gear alignment
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 27, 2013
-- Lee, You will probably get multiple choices here,but mine is for 0 with the weig ht off the gear. A little toe in will won't be noticeable on grass, but you WILL feel it on pavement if both wheels don't make contact at exactly the same time.If you have more than a little,It will get your attention when th e plane makes a lurch toward the side that has not made contact yet. G.Aman MK-3 C 800 hrs Jabiru 2200 From: Lee <lmorgan100(at)charter.net> Sent: Wed, Mar 27, 2013 9:00 am Subject: Kolb-List: landing gear alignment Hey everyone, I am going to be installing new gear legs on my Twinstar MKII soon. My question is do you align your tires to be perfectlystraight or do you to e the front in a little ? thanks for any responses. Lee.. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: landing gear alignment
Date: Mar 27, 2013
It will depend on what gear you install... and by that I am referring to the flex ability of the gear. on my mkiii I have the solid tapered steel gear that I got from kolb... when first installed I had a bit more toe in than was desirable, when I adjusted it I went to straight,,,,, bad mistake... the rolling resistance would flex the gear back till the wheels were toe out, the extra rolling resistance would flex the gear back further till the wheels would break free and jump forward,, then start the process over again... felt like I was riding a jack hammer... I cant remember the exact numbers off the top of my head,,, but it should be in the archives,,, I ended up with just enough toe in that the jack hammer went away,,, it was about 1/2 of the original figures. the original figures were ok on dry pavement or dirt.... but when I would hit a patch of ice on one wheel and the other was on pavement, it would jump side wards... the flexibility of the gear will make a big difference in where you set the toe in. check the archives...that should give you some idea of what I did on the mkIII with steel tapered gear,,,, then adjust your numbers based on the flex ability of your gear. boyd young >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey everyone, I am going to be installing new gear legs on my Twinstar MK II soon. My question is do you align your tires to be perfectly straight or do you toe the front in a little ? thanks for any responses. Lee.. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: landing gear alignment
From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Mar 27, 2013
This older post may help you to align your replacement gear legs.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=83176&highlight=landing+alignment -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397174#397174 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 27, 2013
Finally .....the hard part is over ...Deciding what to build ! Now the fun begins., -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397177#397177 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/template_111.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 27, 2013
Subject: Riding the Range
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
https://vimeo.com/62824738 password owyheeflyer In spite of the weather I went flying today. The neighbor was missing some Cows and he thought that they might be in the Crooked Creek Canyon. To ride (Horses) it would be extremely time consuming not to mention very difficult. The weather today was supposed to be improving, but then again the wind wasn't blowing as I was sure it would later in the day. I dressed as warm as I could and still fly the plane. The temps were in the high 30's when I left and it got all the way up to 41 by the time I got back home. My flight was 1 hour and 18 minutes. The little HKS burned 3.2 gallons of fuel, and purred right along at 67-70 MPH. I kept running into rain squalls that at times had visibility down to maybe. I even flew through a Rainbow, even though it was very faint since there wasn't any sunshine. Larry -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: toe-in
Date: Mar 28, 2013
I don't know diddly about Kolbs, but in case this helps anyone, I toe in my Suzuki Samurai (which you may recall is a very small 4x4) only 1/4" as measured at the front of my 15x31" tires. In the short term it doesn't seem very sensitive to an 1/8" here or there. > mine is for 0 with the weight off the gear. Four wheel vehicles tend to 'hunt', that is, be a little unstable directionally, with zero toe-in. It does yield a bit better gas mileage though! So, as just a WAG I'd probably try maybe 1/8" on my own plane. GeoB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: A sign of Spring
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 28, 2013
http://www.michiganultralight.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=57%3Anew-michigan-ultralight-executive-board-began-january-2012&catid=3%3Anewsflash 25TH ANNUAL FLY-IN Sponsored By The Michigan Ultralight Association Wonder if the Badger Car Ferry would take a Kolb Firestar. :) -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397225#397225 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework
Date: Mar 28, 2013
Here is another way to do the windscreen that allows for optimum access for old bones, and no center post in field of vision. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 28, 2013
Subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Pretty slick. Larry On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > > Here is another way to do the windscreen that allows for optimum access > for old bones, and no center post in field of vision. > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: A sign of Spring
Date: Mar 28, 2013
25TH ANNUAL FLY-IN Sponsored By The Michigan Ultralight Association Wonder if the Badger Car Ferry would take a Kolb Firestar. I'd fly it. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama - Beautiful day to fly at Gantt IAP, Alabama. Rolled her out and fired her up. She still knows how to fly, and I 'm working on it. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolb location at S&F
From: "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 28, 2013
Has anyone learned what spot Brian and Travis and the Kolb trailer will be occupying at S&F? Just loaded my free Sporty's S&F App! Looks like Paradise City will be reconfigured. The good news is that the Eastern ditch is filled in. That's 200 more feet! Who's going? Dave MkIII-C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397240#397240 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb location at S&F
Date: Mar 28, 2013
Has anyone learned what spot Brian and Travis and the Kolb trailer will be occupying at S&F? Just loaded my free Sporty's S&F App! Looks like Paradise City will be reconfigured. The good news is that the Eastern ditch is filled in. That's 200 more feet! Who's going? Dave MkIII-C Dave W/Kolbers: Kolb Aircraft will be in spot LP-002, about dead center on the airstrip side, right across from the new flight ops tent. I plan to fly down Monday, 8 April, my 74th birthday. Will be camping with my airplane. Ya'll come by and say howdy. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Mark III for sale
From: "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net>
Date: Mar 28, 2013
Due to health reasons I will have to sell my plane. I'm needing 18k and I'm taking a real loss here. The wings and tail feathers are all covered, the water cooled VW engine with series 3 redrive is included. I figure about 70% of the plane is done. Rick Lewis -------- Rick Lewis (VW Watercooled Engine) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397242#397242 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mm_186.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00002_114.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00009_155.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/c_136.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00005_156.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 28, 2013
From: chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework
Larry recieved your email on my list but no picture ? Was it attached or just included in the email? thanks Chris Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash building Firefly >________________________________ >From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> >To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:12 PM >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework > > >Pretty slick. >Larry > > >On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > > >>Here is another way to do the windscreen that allows for optimum access for old bones, and no center post in field of vision. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- >If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James Dustin" <jimd4414(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mark III for sale
Date: Mar 28, 2013
Sorry you have to sell it. What kind is it? where is it? Jim jimd 4414(at)hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Lewis<mailto:cktman(at)wildblue.net> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:09 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale > Due to health reasons I will have to sell my plane. I'm needing 18k and I'm taking a real loss here. The wings and tail feathers are all covered, the water cooled VW engine with series 3 redrive is included. I figure about 70% of the plane is done. Rick Lewis -------- Rick Lewis (VW Watercooled Engine) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397242#397242 .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397242#397242> Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mm_186.jpg //files/mm_186.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00002_114.jpg cs.com//files/pic00002_114.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00009_155.jpg cs.com//files/pic00009_155.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/c_136.jpg /files/c_136.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00005_156.jpg cs.com//files/pic00005_156.jpg> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List igator?Kolb-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 28, 2013
From: herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: Mark III for sale
On 03/28/2013 07:39 PM, James Dustin wrote: > Sorry you have to sell it. > What kind is it? where is it? > Jim > jimd 4414(at)hotmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Lewis > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:09 PM > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Mark III for sale > > > > > Due to health reasons I will have to sell my plane. I'm needing > 18k and I'm taking a real loss here. The wings and tail feathers > are all covered, the water cooled VW engine with series 3 redrive > is included. I figure about 70% of the plane is done. > > Rick Lewis > > -------- > Rick Lewis > > (VW Watercooled Engine) > > > Read this topic online here: > >
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397242#397242 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mm_186.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00002_114.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00009_155.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/c_136.jpg > http://forumnbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and > title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronicp; > via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > <http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00005_156.jpg> > _p; generous bsp; > title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 28, 2013
Subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
No attachment from me. I just thought that Eugene Z's enclosure was pretty slick. If you want to see the picture that I was talking about you will have to open his email. Larry On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:20 PM, chris davis wrote: > Larry recieved your email on my list but no picture ? Was it attached or > just included in the email? thanks Chris > > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly > > *From:* Larry Cottrell > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:12 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework > > Pretty slick. > Larry > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > > > Here is another way to do the windscreen that allows for optimum access > for old bones, and no center post in field of vision. > > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > * > > * > > > * > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net>
Subject: Mark III for sale
Date: Mar 28, 2013
It is a 1999 MKIII C located in Morristown TN (KMOR). Thanks for your interest. From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of herb Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale On 03/28/2013 07:39 PM, James Dustin wrote: Sorry you have to sell it. What kind is it? where is it? Jim jimd 4414(at)hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Lewis <mailto:cktman(at)wildblue.net> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:09 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale Due to health reasons I will have to sell my plane. I'm needing 18k and I'm taking a real loss here. The wings and tail feathers are all covered, the water cooled VW engine with series 3 redrive is included. I figure about 70% of the plane is done. Rick Lewis -------- Rick Lewis (VW Watercooled Engine) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397242#397242 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mm_186.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com/files/mm_186.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00002_114.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com/files/pic00002_114.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00009_155.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com/files/pic00009_155.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/c_136.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com/files/c_136.jpg> http://forumnbsp; Navigator Photoshare, and title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronicp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> "http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c========= ====== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Mark III for sale
Date: Mar 28, 2013
On Behalf Of Steve Simmons It is a 1999 MKIII C located in Morristown TN (KMOR). Thanks for your interest. How's the Verner working out for you? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark III for sale
From: "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net>
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Sorry I should have given more info in the first post but I guess I'm so upset about having to sell that my mind wasn't working. This is a Mark III extra located in Kingston, Tn. My phone number is, 865 376-1450 if anyone wants to call and talk about things, I won't be home Saturday. The wings and tail feathers are all completed and covered. The fuselage is not covered but the windows have been fitted and cut to size, ready to mount. This would make a wonderful plane for someone to finish out, talk about buying a quick build. I must have 18k for the plane, even still this will be a loss to me. Rick Lewis -------- Rick Lewis (VW Watercooled Engine) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397254#397254 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00002_137.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/mm_128.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: landing gear alignment
From: "Skel" <mursall(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 29, 2013
I'm not sure if it would be the same for a Kolb...but for the Challenger the toe in is 1%. The easy way to check this is to put a straight 2x4 in front of both tires and block it up so it sits at axle height. Then take a square and place it alongside the wheel and measure the distance between the square and the front and back of the rim. The front measurement should be 1/8" more than the back measurement. See the following link http://home.epix.net/~jlartin/toein.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397256#397256 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Eugene Zimmerman wrote: > Here is another way to do the windscreen that allows for optimum access for old bones, and no center post in field of vision. Eugene, Nice concept... I'm surprised the Kolb company doesn't offer that as an option. Thanks for the post ! Dennis -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397257#397257 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: landing gear alignment
From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Mar 29, 2013
There is always a big controversy concerning toe setting on airplanes. The toe setting has absolutely nothing to do with whatever you learned about setting toe-in on cars. Generally on pavement, the airplane will go in the direction of the wheel with the most weight on it. On grass, toe setting almost doesnt matter at all. In my mind, for a tail-wheel airplane (not a Challenger), I would strive for zero toe and camber; both set at normal flying weight (with pilot) and err on the toe-out side. My reasoning is that a slight toe-out would tend to lift a low wing (heavy side). The Challenger is a nose wheel type airplane with main gear located further aft and the above probably would not apply. Of course, I could be totally full of crap too! -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397258#397258 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Subject: Re: Mark III for sale
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
Rick Sorry to hear you are having to sell your Kolb. For those that aren't aware Rick was instrumental in getting Kolb to produce the VW mount option. Also the water cooled heads are a very rare option that fixes cooling issues on the VW engine and increases power. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Rick Lewis wrote: > > Sorry I should have given more info in the first post but I guess I'm so > upset about having to sell that my mind wasn't working. This is a Mark III > extra located in Kingston, Tn. My phone number is, 865 376-1450 if > anyone wants to call and talk about things, I won't be home Saturday. The > wings and tail feathers are all completed and covered. The fuselage is not > covered but the windows have been fitted and cut to size, ready to mount. > This would make a wonderful plane for someone to finish out, talk about > buying a quick build. I must have 18k for the plane, even still this will > be a loss to me. > > Rick Lewis > > -------- > Rick Lewis > > (VW Watercooled Engine) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397254#397254 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/pic00002_137.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mm_128.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: landing gear alignment
Date: Mar 29, 2013
I would strive for zero toe and camber; both set at normal flying weight (with pilot) and err on the toe-out side. My reasoning is that a slight toe-out would tend to lift a low wing (heavy side). The Challenger is a nose wheel type airplane with main gear located further aft and the above probably would not apply. Of course, I could be totally full of crap too! -------- Jerry King Jerry K/Kolbers: Toe out and pavement on a Kolb, any model, don't get along. Causes splaying of gear legs and scrubbing of the tires, not to mention problems trying to second guess where the airplane is going. I set up my MKIII to nearly zero toe in/toe out, leaning on a tad of toe in. If you want a number, try 1/16". Rolling forward, my gear remain nice and straight. Landing and taking off on pavement, my MKIII has no bad habits or surprises. Push the airplane backwards and the gear legs splay out. They also splay out when making a pivot turn either direction. Kolb gear are flexible in 360 degrees. They are not locked into place like a car, truck, tractor. After 3,200+ hours on my MKIII, no tire problems. This last pair of 8.00 X 6 Airtracs probably have 1,500 to 2,000 hours on them, guessing without looking in the log book. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: landing gear alignment
Date: Mar 29, 2013
I did some work a while back on a spread sheet and did some what if's. by putting a straight board, or I used a steel angle supported with sections of 2x8 to hold it at the correct height. and held against the back of both tires. then used a carpenters square to hold against the straight angle and the side of the wheel. this was done with both wheels sitting on grease plates so they could move and rotate freely. the grease plates are made by putting a layer of grease between 2 layers of aluminum,, or in my case I used some 1/8 inch floor tiles. I measured the distance from the edge of the square to the front of the rim and back of the rim. if the tire keeps the square from touching the rim,, measure the front and back and use the difference. my difference was 0.052 inches the tangent of an angle equals the measurement of the opposite side of a right triangle divided by the adjacent side. but knowing the opposite and adjacent sides, we can use the inverse tangent function to find the angle. the inverse tangent function the ratio .052/5.725 or TAN-1 power is .52 deg Toe In. ok before the math wiz kids flame in, I said I measured the rim,,, well I measured the rim at a point equal distances from the edge of the rim so the measurements points were 5.725 inches from each other. using the spread sheet, I found a nice relationship between measurements 5.725 from each other and the solution to the problem. that relation ship was the angle in degrees was ten times the difference measured in thousandths of an inch. so a difference of .052 equals .52 deg. and again from the spread sheet, if you measure the 6 inch rim, the difference in the degree of angle was negligible compaired the the 5.725. I should also note that this relationship only survives if the angle is small. so plugged into my spread sheet,,, your 1/8 th of an inch or 0.125 times 10 equals 1.25 deg toe in. the picture in your link below was identical to what I did, but I put the strait edge on the back instead of the front of the tire. that is a very good picture and explanation. on my mark iii I have the solid tapered steel legs purchased from kolb. the sweet spot for my plane was 1.22 deg toe in total.. half of that, or there about, on each wheel... 0.52 on the left and 0.7 on the right. boyd young mkiii utah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if it would be the same for a Kolb...but for the Challenger the toe in is 1%. The easy way to check this is to put a straight 2x4 in front of both tires and block it up so it sits at axle height. Then take a square and place it alongside the wheel and measure the distance between the square and the front and back of the rim. The front measurement should be 1/8" more than the back measurement. See the following link http://home.epix.net/~jlartin/toein.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org>
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/28/13
Rick, so sorry you are having to discontinue the building of your plane and sell it. I understand but am saddened for you. Want to ask would your exhaust fit my MKIIIX with GPAS VW, 2180 c.c. with re-drive? If so would you be interested in selling it separate? If not, where did you get the exhaust system made up? I appreciate your reply. Bob Green N830PB MKIIIX with GPAS VW , re-drive Due to health reasons I will have to sell my plane. I'm needing 18k and I'm taking a real loss here. The wings and tail feathers are all covered, the water cooled VW engine with series 3 redrive is included. I figure about 70% of the plane is done. Rick Lewis ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net>
Subject: Mark III for sale
Date: Mar 29, 2013
It appears to be working good as I have lost my medical I have not been able to take it around the pattern however I have crow hopped it a lot and it sure has a lot of power. I was at a sports flying field in Germany last fall and ever airplane on the field had the verner except one and they were flying daily. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:25 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale On Behalf Of Steve Simmons It is a 1999 MKIII C located in Morristown TN (KMOR). Thanks for your interest. How's the Verner working out for you? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Mark III for sale
Date: Mar 29, 2013
It appears to be working good as I have lost my medical I have not been able to take it around the pattern however I have crow hopped it a lot and it sure has a lot of power. I was at a sports flying field in Germany last fall and ever airplane on the field had the verner except one and they were flying daily. Steve Simmons Steve S/Kolbers: Can't you fly LSA with your driver license? I didn't lose my medical, but forgot to renew it last Aug. Decided to fly LSA. I don't fly at night anymore, and seldom fly into Class D airports. What kind of fuel burn and cruise speed do you get with the Verner on the Kolb? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark III for sale
From: "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net>
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Thanks Rick for that post, I knew you would step in and say something good about what I have to offer. Who ever ends up buying this plane is a lucky person. There are so many options they will be getting for such a good price. The kits cost new and the engine included cost less than the Rotax 912 engine alone, what a deal for someone... -------- Rick Lewis (VW Watercooled Engine) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397287#397287 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark III for sale
From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Rick, I'm interested in your plane, but can't buy one for awhile yet. Yours needs fuselage covering and what else? I assume it's not yet N-numbered. You have logs & paperwork? Trailer, or is one available locally? Is that a GPAS engine? What cc; 2180? Thanx Russ K On Mar 29, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Rick Lewis wrote: > > Thanks Rick for that post, I knew you would step in and say something good about what I have to offer. Who ever ends up buying this plane is a lucky person. There are so many options they will be getting for such a good price. The kits cost new and the engine included cost less than the Rotax 912 engine alone, what a deal for someone... > > -------- > Rick Lewis > > (VW Watercooled Engine) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397287#397287 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eugene Zimmerman <etzimm(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb Factory's canopy enclosure framework
Date: Mar 30, 2013
On Mar 29, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Dennis Thate wrote: > Eugene, > Nice concept... I'm surprised the Kolb company doesn't offer that as an option. Thanks for the post ! > > Dennis One of the advantages of the design is that it can easily be made to any size or degree of wind protection desired, from small wind deflector, to full enclosure. It attaches with only two hinge pins or bolts so one could change and exchange from small wind deflector to full screen in a matter of minutes. It would be an excellent option for the factory to offer as it does require a rather specific hinge geometry for it to operate ideally. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 30, 2013
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>
Subject: landing gear alignment
From: "Lee" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:00:11 -0400 >> My question is do you align your tires to be perfectly straight or do you toe the front in a little ? >> Lee, Set the gear at zero toe in with your plane with what you consider your plane average or normal flight load. Roll the plane forward to let the gear settle and adjust camber so that the top of the wheel tips out a little at the top. If you make these adjustments you should have no trouble landing in a side slip during gusty cross winds on a hard surface runway. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Subject: Riding the range Part II, the Gather
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
http://vimeo.com/63008374 password owyheeflyer Today the Cows were to be gathered up. It was about 10 miles of Desert for the neighbors to ride across to get to the cows. So I volunteered to make sure where they were, just to save them some riding. I gave them a radio so that we could communicate, and I intended to give them a head start and then take off to find them. When I did my annual, I changed the fuel lines as they were getting a bit elderly. I have two kolb tanks for fuel, and they are on a selector rather than spliced together. I decided that I would run the back tank so that I could refresh the fuel. When I changed over as I was doing my mag check, the engine started fading. At first I though it might be a bad mag, but it soon became obvious that it was the tank itself that was the problem. I had five gallons in the front tank, and took off anyway. Well it didn't take more than 50 feet of altitude to decide that I was being foolish, so I turned around and went back to the hanger to fix it. I found that the hose was pinched. I rerouted the hose and again took off, feeling much better. When I arrived at the east end of Scotts Butte, I found that I had made the right decision as they were still less than halfway to where the cows were last time I flew . I soon found them and gave them directions to ride by circling over the cows. I then went to check on the location of the other ranchers that were gathering north of us. After I located them, I headed home. The wind was pretty brisk and I had a 20 MPH tail wind going home. The wind at my house due to the hills is totally different from the upper winds. It will often be totally reversed on the ground. Once I got over the Hwy where I had an escape landing area, I decided to see if I had actually fixed my tank feed problem. I switched tanks, and kept a 1000 feet just in case of a fuel starvation problem still existed. I checked with the wife and she gave the wind heading at 222 @ 10.5 mph. I kept my altitude intending to circle around and land into the wind, but as I got almost over the end of the runway, she called again and informed me that the wind had died. Now I was 1000 feet over the end, so I gave it full deflection on the rudder and maintained 50 MPH with the ailerons. I did drift a bit to the right, but not enough that I could not correct. It would have been easy to land "On the numbers" if I had wanted to, but Its a long runway, so I let up and landed just before the wind sock. No need to wear the tires out. Larry -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net>
Subject: Mark III for sale
Date: Mar 30, 2013
No John, the darn feds have said if you have a license and you don't meet the medical standards that you cannot fly litesport, does not make a difference of I can drive a 80,000 lb truck remember the feds are here to help. Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale It appears to be working good as I have lost my medical I have not been able to take it around the pattern however I have crow hopped it a lot and it sure has a lot of power. I was at a sports flying field in Germany last fall and ever airplane on the field had the verner except one and they were flying daily. Steve Simmons Steve S/Kolbers: Can't you fly LSA with your driver license? I didn't lose my medical, but forgot to renew it last Aug. Decided to fly LSA. I don't fly at night anymore, and seldom fly into Class D airports. What kind of fuel burn and cruise speed do you get with the Verner on the Kolb? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Riding the range Part II, the Gather
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Larry, that's a post from a GOOD pilot. Hope all Kolbers read & heed. Russ On Mar 30, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > http://vimeo.com/63008374 password owyheeflyer > > Today the Cows were to be gathered up. It was about 10 miles of Desert for the neighbors to ride across to get to the cows. So I volunteered to make sure where they were, just to save them some riding. I gave them a radio so that we could communicate, and I intended to give them a head start and then take off to find them. > > When I did my annual, I changed the fuel lines as they were getting a bit elderly. I have two kolb tanks for fuel, and they are on a selector rather than spliced together. I decided that I would run the back tank so that I could refresh the fuel. When I changed over as I was doing my mag check, the engine started fading. At first I though it might be a bad mag, but it soon became obvious that it was the tank itself that was the problem. I had five gallons in the front tank, and took off anyway. Well it didn't take more than 50 feet of altitude to decide that I was being foolish, so I turned around and went back to the hanger to fix it. I found that the hose was pinched. I rerouted the hose and again took off, feeling much better. > > When I arrived at the east end of Scotts Butte, I found that I had made the right decision as they were still less than halfway to where the cows were last time I flew . I soon found them and gave them directions to ride by circling over the cows. I then went to check on the location of the other ranchers that were gathering north of us. After I located them, I headed home. The wind was pretty brisk and I had a 20 MPH tail wind going home. The wind at my house due to the hills is totally different from the upper winds. It will often be totally reversed on the ground. Once I got over the Hwy where I had an escape landing area, I decided to see if I had actually fixed my tank feed problem. I switched tanks, and kept a 1000 feet just in case of a fuel starvation problem still existed. > > I checked with the wife and she gave the wind heading at 222 @ 10.5 mph. I kept my altitude intending to circle around and land into the wind, but as I got almost over the end of the runway, she called again and informed me that the wind had died. Now I was 1000 feet over the end, so I gave it full deflection on the rudder and maintained 50 MPH with the ailerons. I did drift a bit to the right, but not enough that I could not correct. It would have been easy to land "On the numbers" if I had wanted to, but Its a long runway, so I let up and landed just before the wind sock. No need to wear the tires out. > > Larry > > > > -- > If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Mark III for sale
Date: Mar 30, 2013
No John, the darn feds have said if you have a license and you don't meet the medical standards that you cannot fly litesport, does not make a difference of I can drive a 80,000 lb truck remember the feds are here to help. Thanks John Reckon you didn't have a PVT ticket before you went LSA? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mark III for sale
From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Now I'm even more confused. I've been told that if you have a license and FAIL to pass the Medical, you can only fly gliders and balloons; self-certifying that you are safe. But rumor has it that some AME's will let you take the physical as just plain ol' Joe-the-plumber; if you fail it there's no FAA involvement or notification. If you PASS it, the AME can issue you your medical certificate. Doubt if he'd charge you twice but it would be worth it. If you just let your medical expire, then you can fly LSA. I'm prolly wrong in at least some of this. Can someone straighten me out? Thanx Russ K > > > > No John, the darn feds have said if you have a license and you don't meet > the medical standards that you cannot fly litesport, does not make a > difference of I can drive a 80,000 lb truck remember the feds are here to > help. > Thanks John > > > > Reckon you didn't have a PVT ticket before you went LSA? > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolbra tandem seating - size question
From: "john-ranger" <lv702(at)mac.com>
Date: Mar 30, 2013
I have not been on this forum for a couple of years. I had a FSII. I have been interested in the Kolbra since I ran into John Williamson some years back at the Jean Airport in Las Vegas. I just about purchased his aircraft. I ended up buying a Aeronca Champ (83406) was the tail number. Had that for a number of years before selling it. I have been on the shade hangar list at Henderson Executive Airport for 6 years. My number is up and I have no plane. Sorry about the long winded prolog...my question is about room in the back of the Kolbra. My Champ was pretty comfortable with two 210 pounders in the seats. I know we were slightly over gross. Anyone out there that has a couple of lugs of around 200lbs each, flying the Kolbra? If so, would like any feedback. My preference is for a tandem aircraft. I'm thinking of either another Champ or perhaps a Kolbra. Whatever I get will be a complete aircraft. I really do have the space to build my own. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397382#397382 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Subject: Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
I rode back seat with John W in his Kolbra and other than having him scare the crap out of me I don't remember any serious discomfort. I weighed at least 230 at the time. We yanked and banked over the rolling terrain and I had the feeling that he was remembering what it was like to fly a "chopper" in Nam. It was a blast! Larry On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:53 PM, john-ranger wrote: > > I have not been on this forum for a couple of years. I had a FSII. I have > been interested in the Kolbra since I ran into John Williamson some years > back at the Jean Airport in Las Vegas. I just about purchased his aircraft. > I ended up buying a Aeronca Champ (83406) was the tail number. Had that for > a number of years before selling it. I have been on the shade hangar list > at Henderson Executive Airport for 6 years. My number is up and I have no > plane. Sorry about the long winded prolog...my question is about room in > the back of the Kolbra. My Champ was pretty comfortable with two 210 > pounders in the seats. I know we were slightly over gross. Anyone out there > that has a couple of lugs of around 200lbs each, flying the Kolbra? If so, > would like any feedback. My preference is for a tandem aircraft. I'm > thinking of either another Champ or perhaps a Kolbra. Whatever I get will > be a complete aircraft. I really do have the space to build my own. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397382#397382 > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Mark III for sale
Date: Mar 30, 2013
I think you got it pretty close and that is why so many of us in the Medicare generation switch to light sport. If you fail your third class and can't get it reinstated through the appeals process your aviation career is done except for gliders. I don't think there are a lot of ways to do the Joe the plumber trick anymore because it is all preset on the FAA computer system and no AME is going to risk his license by fiddling with the entries. Using your state drivers license as your medical actually makes a lot of sense and with the lobbying for changing the third class medical , one of the arguments was that there had not been any LSA mishaps due to medical conditions. I think most cases of potential abuse get and will continue to get weeded out during the biannual check rides. Bob -----Original Message----- From: kinne russ Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale Now I'm even more confused. I've been told that if you have a license and FAIL to pass the Medical, you can only fly gliders and balloons; self-certifying that you are safe. But rumor has it that some AME's will let you take the physical as just plain ol' Joe-the-plumber; if you fail it there's no FAA involvement or notification. If you PASS it, the AME can issue you your medical certificate. Doubt if he'd charge you twice but it would be worth it. If you just let your medical expire, then you can fly LSA. I'm prolly wrong in at least some of this. Can someone straighten me out? Thanx Russ K > > > No John, the darn feds have said if you have a license and you don't meet > the medical standards that you cannot fly litesport, does not make a > difference of I can drive a 80,000 lb truck remember the feds are here to > help. > Thanks John > > > Reckon you didn't have a PVT ticket before you went LSA? > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Simmons" <stevesimmons(at)charter.net>
Subject: Mark III for sale
Date: Mar 30, 2013
No I was a commercial part 135 Helicopter and flying DC3 freight on the side -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:58 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale No John, the darn feds have said if you have a license and you don't meet the medical standards that you cannot fly litesport, does not make a difference of I can drive a 80,000 lb truck remember the feds are here to help. Thanks John Reckon you didn't have a PVT ticket before you went LSA? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "The Kuffels" <kuffel(at)cyberport.net>
Subject: Medical and LSA
Date: Mar 30, 2013
<< If you fail your third class and can't get it reinstated through the appeals process your aviation career is done except for gliders. >> Several messages have the same misconceptions. The medical rules for LSA and gliders are the same. First the general rule for all pilots: If you are aware of a condition which makes you medically unfit to fly, then it is illegal for you to fly. Next, if you have a driver's license then you are presumed to be medically fit to fly LSA/gliders unless you are aware of not meeting the first rule. Now the real kicker: If you have failed your most recent medical you are already and permanently presumed to still have a condition which makes you medically unfit to fly. The only way around this is to go through the hoops to get your medical reestablished. Then you can let your medical lapse and continue to fly LSA/glider if you have a driver's license (and can say with a straight face you meet the general rule). The moral of the story is if you might fail your medical, do not take it. If you have already failed your most recent medical and can not get it reinstated your only legal option is Part 103 ultralights. The same Catch-22 will apply to the new self-certifying medical if the FAA approves it. Tom Kuffel, CFI Whitefish, MT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
Date: Mar 31, 2013
Tom .... Concur with almost everything you said on the medicals and LSA. As an older Kolb builder and HP-18 sailplane owner who did not as yet renew his 3rd class medical this year these rules matter. Hard decision to give up on night flying or abandon the IFR investment and flexibility. Harder still, the risk to be essentially grounded if still in good health. Plus I would have several airplanes that would need to be sold. Besides the Part 103 option, I still believe gliders and balloons are treated differently. Check out CFR 61.23 paragraph b items 2 and 3 seem to provide a special carve out exemption for gliders and balloons vs. next paragraph c item 2 which is where you get nixed for sport pilot for all other categories and classes if you failed your most recent medical. Am I reading it incorrectly? Bob From: The Kuffels Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:18 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Medical and LSA << If you fail your third class and can't get it reinstated through the appeals process your aviation career is done except for gliders. >> Several messages have the same misconceptions. The medical rules for LSA and gliders are the same. First the general rule for all pilots: If you are aware of a condition which makes you medically unfit to fly, then it is illegal for you to fly. Next, if you have a driver's license then you are presumed to be medically fit to fly LSA/gliders unless you are aware of not meeting the first rule. Now the real kicker: If you have failed your most recent medical you are already and permanently presumed to still have a condition which makes you medically unfit to fly. The only way around this is to go through the hoops to get your medical reestablished. Then you can let your medical lapse and continue to fly LSA/glider if you have a driver's license (and can say with a straight face you meet the general rule). The moral of the story is if you might fail your medical, do not take it. If you have already failed your most recent medical and can not get it reinstated your only legal option is Part 103 ultralights. The same Catch-22 will apply to the new self-certifying medical if the FAA approves it. Tom Kuffel, CFI Whitefish, MT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob" <rmurrill(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Mark III for sale
Date: Mar 31, 2013
You've probably already looked into this, but last year the AOPA traveling road show had a session on what their offices do to help with medicals. They work 1st, 2nd and 3rd class problems. The presenter was a doctor who had the expected horror stories of both really serious pilot medical problems, agency screw-ups and success stories with policy turnarounds and medicals being issued that previously didn't have a chance. Gives you another avenue into the system with some knowledgeable advocacy on your side. Might be worth a phone call. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Steve Simmons Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:57 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale No I was a commercial part 135 Helicopter and flying DC3 freight on the side -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:58 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale No John, the darn feds have said if you have a license and you don't meet the medical standards that you cannot fly litesport, does not make a difference of I can drive a 80,000 lb truck remember the feds are here to help. Thanks John Reckon you didn't have a PVT ticket before you went LSA? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Smoketown Kolb crash
From: "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
This came in via my automated Google Alerts. This is all I know about the crash. http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/832417_Plane-crashes-on-takeoff-at-Smoketown-Airport--pilot-killed.html -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397409#397409 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
I gave a ride to this fellow and I estimate his weight at about 230lbs. He is over 6' and this was with the 912 80hp engine. I now have a 912 100hp and it would have given me a shorter takeoff roll and better climb. As it was, it seemed like forever getting to 1000', but we cruised around for awhile and I came in hot for a smooth landing. He was impressed with the Kolbra and I was happy to have given him a ride. I also gave Dennis Thate on this list a ride during our hanger party last fall. He might comment on his ride. There have been many others that I have given rides to. If you saw my last video of the flight to Lake Mille Lacs, I ride with my wife on most flights and she carries a little with her too (I'm trying to be nice so I don't offend her if she reads this). When we go on long distance flights, there isn't much room to carry anything except tiedowns, a small softsided cooler, and jackets. If I fly solo, then I can carry a tent, sleeping bag, extra fuel tank, and a personal bag. -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397428#397428 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/paul_1__674.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
From: jvanlaak(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 31, 2013
I am a Kolb lover (built a Firestar in 1988) who rarely posts anything on h ere but I have an important point to make. I am good friends with the head of the FAA Civil Aerospace Medicine Institute and he tells me that over 95 % of people who go through the hoops to get their medical back are successf ul. Sometimes that can be expensive (major heart surgery, liver transplant , that sort of thing) but for most people it is not too bad. The overwhelm ing majority of people who "lose their medical" don't bother to try. That is a personal decision but I for one take comfort in the idea that I can fa il one time and not be grounded forever. BTW, a local fish spotter last year was running out of time to get his spec ial issuance 2nd class (he had cancer but is in remission) so I called my D r. friend. The spotter got a call the next day that his medical was in the mail. Jim -----Original Message----- From: The Kuffels <kuffel(at)cyberport.net> Sent: Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:53 am Subject: Kolb-List: Medical and LSA << If you fail your third class and can't get it reinstated through the ap peals process your aviation career is done except for gliders. >> Several messages have the same misconceptions. The medical rules for LSA a nd gliders are the same. First the general rule for all pilots: If you are aware of a condition whi ch makes you medically unfit to fly, then it is illegal for you to fly. Next, if you have a driver's license then you are presumed to be medically fit to fly LSA/gliders unless you are aware of not meeting the first rule. Now the real kicker: If you have failed your most recent medical you are al ready and permanently presumed to still have a condition which makes you me dically unfit to fly. The only way around this is to go through the hoops to get your medical reestablished. Then you can let your medical lapse and continue to fly LSA/glider if you have a driver's license (and can say wit h a straight face you meet the general rule). The moral of the story is if you might fail your medical, do not take it. If you have already failed your most recent medical and can not get it rein stated your only legal option is Part 103 ultralights. The same Catch-22 will apply to the new self-certifying medical if the FAA approves it. Tom Kuffel, CFI Whitefish, MT ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
At 220 pounds , I recall it being a bit of a tight fit... but once situated it was a comfortable flight experience. I would like to own a tandem seat Kolbra myself, but I would get a backseat test flight before you lay down your money. Cheers ! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397491#397491 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/test_flight_136.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/31/13
Date: Apr 01, 2013
> Ralph B > Original Firestar 447 > 1000+ hours Hi Ralph, please tell me about your experience with the 447. Have you gotten 1000 hours out of it? What repairs has it required? GeoB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: who can fly what
Date: Apr 01, 2013
<> This ambivalence about who can fly what and in which circumstances seems to have going on ever since I joined this list. No one seems to be able to get a definitive answer from any authority. Is this a national issue or does it vary from State to State?. Does the FAA not issue leaflets with guidance covering all these problems?. After all there must be an actual LAW which governs these things and that is the backstop. The FAA or whoever is merely responsible for enforcing that law. It seems unbelievable that an official agency cannot give a definitive answer to any question. Here in the UK to fly anything we must have an annual medical certificate or we are flying illegally. The depth of the examination depends on what you fly. For an ultralight it merely means that your local doctor signs a form saying that `In my opinion so and so is fit to fly an ultralight` Being the applicants usual doctor he would be aware of any history that is likely to disqualify them. Heart disease, fits etc.That is it. In all the years I have been flying I have never been asked to produce any paperwork although it is a requirement to carry copies in the plane. If flying to France you would almost certainly be asked to produce the requisite paperwork. As you qualify to fly heavier classes of planes the medical gets more in depth . I don`t know the current rules but I applied for a student pilots licence when I was switching from gliders to power (gliders then needed no medical) I had to have an ECG and a thorough check. Never was there any question of what was required. It was laid down exactly . Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2013
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
At 05:37 AM 4/1/2013, Pat Ladd wrote: > ><the medical standards that you cannot fly litesport,>> > >This ambivalence about who can fly what and in which circumstances seems >to have going on ever since I joined this list. > >No one seems to be able to get a definitive answer from any authority. Is >this a national issue or does it vary from State to State?. Does the FAA >not issue leaflets with guidance covering all these problems?. After all >there must be an actual LAW which governs these things and that is the >backstop. The FAA or whoever is merely responsible for enforcing that law. >It seems unbelievable that an official agency cannot give a definitive >answer to any question. There is no question about who an fly what. The regulations are clear, it's just people that don't understand them. It's set at the national level, no state to state variation. To fly a Part 103 ultralight, nothing is required, no medical. To fly an aircraft meeting the Light-Sport definition, no medical is required, but if you once did have a medical, the most recent one can't be failed. You do need a valid drivers license (drivers licenses ARE issued at the state level), under the presumption that if the state considers you OK to drive, you're OK to fly. However, there is language to the effect that even if you're otherwise legal but you know you're not fit to fly, you may not. To fly an aircraft heavier or faster than Light Sport, you need at least a Class III medical. To fly a glider (including motorglider) or balloon, no medical is required, even if you failed your last one it's OK, but a similar language applies about the pilot knowing he's fit to fly. Dana -- Lie ? Me ? Never! No, no, no, the truth is far too much fun! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Seat Security...How much is too much !
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Seat Security, How much is too much ! This one is a Bear to get in and out of [Wink] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397546#397546 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/an_aerobatic_aircraft_seat_overkill_834.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/aerobatic_aircraft_seat_overkill_175.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2013
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
On 04/01/2013 05:33 AM, Dana Hague wrote: > At 05:37 AM 4/1/2013, Pat Ladd wrote: >> >> <> the medical standards that you cannot fly litesport,>> >> >> This ambivalence about who can fly what and in which circumstances >> seems to have going on ever since I joined this list. >> >> No one seems to be able to get a definitive answer from any >> authority. Is this a national issue or does it vary from State to >> State?. Does the FAA not issue leaflets with guidance covering all >> these problems?. After all there must be an actual LAW which governs >> these things and that is the backstop. The FAA or whoever is merely >> responsible for enforcing that law. >> It seems unbelievable that an official agency cannot give a >> definitive answer to any question. > > There is no question about who an fly what. The regulations are > clear, it's just people that don't understand them. It's set at the > national level, no state to state variation. > > To fly a Part 103 ultralight, nothing is required, no medical. > > To fly an aircraft meeting the Light-Sport definition, no medical is > required, but if you once did have a medical, the most recent one > can't be failed. You do need a valid drivers license (drivers > licenses ARE issued at the state level), under the presumption that if > the state considers you OK to drive, you're OK to fly. However, there > is language to the effect that even if you're otherwise legal but you > know you're not fit to fly, you may not. > > To fly an aircraft heavier or faster than Light Sport, you need at > least a Class III medical. > > To fly a glider (including motorglider) or balloon, no medical is > required, even if you failed your last one it's OK, but a similar > language applies about the pilot knowing he's fit to fly. > > Dana > -- > Lie ? Me ? Never! No, no, no, the truth is far too much fun! > *Pat, One problem is that here in the USA, FAA regs are not 'laws'. Congress directs the FAA to promote & maintain safety of flight, & largely lets the FAA write the actual regulations(with frequent interference for political affairs). At the top of the FAA food chain, many officials have no real world aviation experience; they are often political appointees. So the regs tend to be convoluted & seemingly contradictory in a legal sense, and literally contradictory in any practical sense. Anexample of practical contradiction was the rule that existed for decades sayingthat you couldn't fly a homebuilt experimental 'over densely populated areas, except for the purpose of takeoff and landing'. Even with this rule, if you were flying through a class C or class B airspace (typically over or near cities), ATC would knowingly route you directly over the city if it suited their purposes to keep you away from their arriving/departing traffic at the primary airport.** I suspect that Dana is correct about the glider rule. In over 20 years of flying, I never heard of the issue of 'failing your last medical' until Light Sport rules were adopted. But in Light Sport, it's definitely there. Charlie * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Subject:
From: David Peters <dpeters160(at)gmail.com>
Sir, if you would please unsubscribe me to this list it would be appreciated. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: No Title
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2013
OK.... First, Slip a Twenty under the Laptop... . Gotta Fly... -------- . . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397603#397603 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question
From: "tkben002" <tkben002(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Apr 01, 2013
I have never flown in the back of the Kolbra, because I always fly from the front....but, I have flown my brother at 205# on a few occasions without any complaints. Now the downside, unless you are planning on building one, good luck finding one for sale, there were only 28 kits sold according to Travis at Kolb and I know not all of them are even flying. ( I may part with mine in the not to distant future). Travis Bennett Kolb Kolbra #11 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397607#397607 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "The Kuffels" <kuffel(at)cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Bob, << I still believe gliders and balloons are treated differently. Check out CFR 61.23 paragraph b items 2 and 3 seem to provide a special carve out exemption for gliders and balloons vs. next paragraph c item 2 which is where you get nixed for sport pilot for all other categories and classes if you failed your most recent medical >> Dang, you are absolutely right. Should have checked the regs myself instead of relying on my (aging) memory. Think when EAA proposed the LSA rules they wanted the medical rules to be the same as glider/balloon and when it came out with the "last medical fail" gotcha I confused the new rule with the unchanged established one. Thanks for doing the research and giving me the numbers. Fact remains, if you are not sure you can pass your medical, you are well advised to not take it. It is true, most medical appeals are eventually granted (often after great amounts of time and money). But believe most of those who don't bother to appeal do so because they "self-select" (to paraphrase a phrase) with the knowledge of poor odds of being successful in their case. The whole situation reminds me to heed the advice of an AOPA lecturer during a refresher clinic. When asked a question about the regulations the correct answer is "I don't know, lets look it up." Wish I had done that. Thanks again. Tom ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
One thing a lot of airplane pilots believe erroneously, is that a private pilot with or without a medical can hop into a motorglider and fly solo legally in the USA. Not so, to fly a motorglider (self-launched glider/sailplane) solo one must have a glider pilot certificate. https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/licensing-and-training/licensing-faq -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397623#397623 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
Date: Apr 02, 2013
no medical is required, but if you once did have a medical, the most recent one can't be failed. >> Dana, That seems odd. `no medical required` would seem to cover all eventualities. As for the rest a) the first sentence (no medical required) makes this additional line totally unnecessary. b) If you had a medical and failed, that failure can be set aside. Very strange So the position is that if you were failed on your medical to fly a Cessna. because you had fits you could switch to Sports cat.and fly legally provided you choose not to tell anyone about the fits. When a plane falls on someone one of these days because the pilot had fits the FAA are going to hold their hands up and say `Its not our fault. The pilot was very naughty and didn`t tell us about the fits` I can see some lawyer getting very rich at that point. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2013
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
At 05:27 AM 4/2/2013, Thom Riddle wrote: > >One thing a lot of airplane pilots believe erroneously, is that a private >pilot with or without a medical can hop into a motorglider and fly solo >legally in the USA. Not so, to fly a motorglider (self-launched >glider/sailplane) solo one must have a glider pilot certificate. If the motorglider has a standard airworthiness certificate, that is correct. However, a Private Pilot can fly solo in ANY experimental aircraft (air/land/multi/glider/rotorcraft/whatever) without any additional certificates or ratings. Dana -- There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2013
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
At 06:23 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote: > no medical is required, but if you once did have a medical, the most > recent one can't be failed. >> > >That seems odd. >`no medical required` would seem to cover all eventualities. > >As for the rest > >a) the first sentence (no medical required) makes this additional line >totally unnecessary. >b) If you had a medical and failed, that failure can be set aside. Very >strange > >So the position is that if you were failed on your medical to fly a >Cessna. because you had fits you could switch to Sports cat.and fly >legally provided you choose not to tell anyone about the fits. No, if you fail the medical, it cannot be "set aside"; you have to either correct the condition that caused the failure or apply for a special issuance medical. A Sport Pilot must self certify that he's OK to fly. A failed medical makes him ineligible to self certify. If a SP with no medical (expired or never had one) has a medical condition that causes him to have an accident, the FAA can go after him. Dana -- It is probably true that stupid people would not watch intelligent television, but it is certainly true that intelligent people will watch stupid television. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2013
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
theself certified-concept is valid,- for exampil -,in my town a guy i know had a dissy spell and went to the doctor he -had several tests noth ing was conclusive so he asked Dr Pinells-opinion--founder of air doc s as he lives here in Michigan. being on the safe side my Buddy concluded h e was no longer Safe to fly himself for several month, finally he started f lying again. just because you have a drivers license it doesn't mean your s afe to drive everyday.this self certified medical means We have the choice and freedom to decide for ourselves -- as long as we qualify for a driv ers license. -however some people cant handle that responsibility and fly when they sometimes shouldn't and people of a moor controlling nature feel THEY should be allowed to decide for us or that somebody should be in char ge of deciding .----=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-30 22 =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Dana Hague =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesd ay, April 2, 2013 6:46 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: who can fly what=0A =0A=0AAt 06:23 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote:=0A=0A-no medical is required, but=0Aif you once did have a medical, the most recent one can't be failed. =0A>>=0A>- =0A>=0AThat seems =0Aodd.=0A>`no medical required` would seem to=0Acover all eventualities. =0A>-=0A>As for the =0Arest=0A>-=0A>a) th e first sentence (no medical=0Arequired) makes this additional line totally =0Aunnecessary.=0A>b) If you- had a medical and=0Afailed, that failure ca n be set aside. Very=0Astrange=0A>-=0A>So the position is that if you wer e=0Afailed on your medical to fly a Cessna. because you had fits you could =0Aswitch to Sports cat.and fly legally provided you choose not to tell=0Aa nyone about the=0Afits.=0ANo, if you fail the medical, it cannot be "set as ide"; you have=0Ato either correct the condition that caused the failure or apply for a=0Aspecial issuance medical.- A Sport Pilot must self certify that he's=0AOK to fly.- A failed medical makes him ineligible to self=0A certify.- If a SP with no medical (expired or never had one) has a=0Amedi cal condition that causes him to have an accident, the FAA can go=0Aafter h im.=0A=0ADana=0A=0A-- =0AIt is probably true that stupid people would not w atch intelligent=0Atelevision, but it is certainly true that intelligent pe ==== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
Date: Apr 02, 2013
to fly a motorglider (self-launched glider/sailplane) solo one must have a glider pilot certificate.>> Hi Thom, Having a licence to fly something (a certicate of competence) is one thing. Being medically approved to do so is another. You seem to be in the happy position that you can fly ultralights without either. Sports class seems to require a flying licence but no medical provided that you have a driving licence. I assume in that case that you need a medical to get a driving licence. The next step up to a heavier machine requires a flying licence and a proper medical examination. Here you need a flying licence to fly anything, but the authorities recognise that you do not have to be a superman to tootle around the sky in a Tiger Moth on a Sunday afternoon and the requirements reflect that. As does the medical. I think that we have the advantage that each branch of flying has its own organisation. Therefore the government has handed over the running of all flying to the CAA (your FAA) Below that the British Gliding Association (BGA) is responsible for all gliding..Flying training, safety issues, approval of new types, training instructors, setting competence levels for pilots, organising National and International Competitions. They approve the formation of new clubs.Fight legal issues on behalf of members etc I don`t know about a medical. It was not needed in my gliding days. The Light Aircraft Association. deals with all the above but on behalf of anything with an engine. Started prewar as a club for those building simple small airplanes from plans, up to two seats. Now includes 4 seaters and light twins.and kit planes, replicas. There are Se5 and Fokker Eindeckers on the roster. The edge between microlights and kit planes is a bit blurred. My Kolb was dealt with by LAA. Then there is the British Microlight Aircraft Assoc.(BMAA) This deals with all aircraft which fall within the legal definition of a microlight. (All up weight, wing loading etc) Issues Noise certificates. for each type. Approves new types for engineering standards,flying characteristics etc Both the LAA and BMAA get flack for not allowing types from abroad with good records on to the approved lists. The various organisations each fight there own corner against government interference. The blanket ban on flying within a large area during the recent Olympics is a case in point.The various organisations got the area amended and the pre declaration requirement of all flights reduced. Various flying schools faced bankrupcy had the original proposals gone through. There is a strong move towards an agreed engineering standard for all microlights with the European Union with the intention of simplifying the process of licensing. A type approved in one country would then be automatically acceptable in all others.The BMAA and the LAA are both involved in the negotiations at government level. Both the LAA and the BMAA fight any proposals by local Councils to take over existing airfields to build houses. A favourite with Councils. A big flat field is very enticing for house builders. I hadn`t intended to write such a long post but it sort of got away from me. Sorry Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
Date: Apr 02, 2013
If the motorglider has a standard airworthiness certificate, that is correct. However, a Private Pilot can fly solo in ANY experimental aircraft (air/land/multi/glider/rotorcraft/whatever) without any additional certificates or ratings. Grief. Surely an Airworthiness Certificate merely certifies THE PLANE. That has nothing to do with competence. Do you really mean that someone with a pilots licence can just get into a helicopter and fly it. The mind boggles Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
Date: Apr 02, 2013
<> I don`t think that I am thick but just what does that mean? To me it reads that if you failed your last medical ignore it because you can`t be failed. Which is nonsense. Very puzzled Pat. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2013
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
At 08:16 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote: ><> > >I don`t think that I am thick but just what does that mean? > >To me it reads that if you failed your last medical ignore it because you >can`t be failed. Which is nonsense. Just what it says. If you never had a medical, you can fly as a Sport Pilot. If you had a medical but it expired, you can fly as a SP (example, a Private Pilot dropping down to SP). If you failed a medical, you can't fly as a SP. If you failed a medical and then get a medical through a special issuance or whatever, you can fly as a SP. If you then let that one expire, you can still fly as a SP. Dana -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2013
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
At 07:58 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote: >If the motorglider has a standard airworthiness certificate, that is >correct. However, a Private Pilot can fly solo in ANY experimental >aircraft (air/land/multi/glider/rotorcraft/whatever) without any >additional certificates or ratings. >Grief. > >Surely an Airworthiness Certificate merely certifies THE PLANE. >That has nothing to do with competence. Do you really mean that someone >with a pilots licence can just get into a helicopter and fly it. >The mind boggles Possibly one of those unintended consequences of the way the rules were written, I guess. The regulations on pilot certification specify what pilot certificates are required for any particular category or class of aircraft, and then go on to say that that section of the regulations don't apply to any experimental aircraft flown solo. Presumably it was worded that way to allow testing of entirely new types of aircraft for which no corresponding pilot certificate exists, but the consequence is that yes, a private pilot with only an airplane rating airplane can legally solo an experimental helicopter, etc. I guess the theory is also, like our ultralight regulations not requiring any pilot certificate, you're free to kill yourself, just don't take anybody else with you. Dana -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question
From: "sparky60" <gittlj(at)q.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
If you are looking for a Kolbra, I have one for sale in Nebraska. Any questions, let me know. You can email me at gittlj(at)q.com Larry[/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397705#397705 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: who can fly what
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Another way to put it is this. 1) If the FAA proves to themselves that a pilot is medically unfit, he can no longer fly any aircraft, legally. 2) If you don't give the FAA a chance to do this every six month, year, two years, or five years (depending upon the class of medical etc) then you can't fly aircraft that don't meet the LSA limitations. Convoluted thinking, I know, but the phrasing fits the FAA thinking on the subject. Merriam-Webster says: Definition of AIRCRAFT : a vehicle (as an airplane or balloon) for traveling through the air According to the FAA our ULs are not aircraft (just vehicles), which bends the Webster definition past its elastic limit, but that is the FAA for you. It seems that to qualify to be an FAA regulations writer, one must be a native speaker of gibberish, or a lawyer, which is redundant. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397720#397720 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
Date: Apr 03, 2013
had a dissy spell and went to the doctor >> Hi Malcolm, very sensible and in that case the system worked as it is supposed to. What happens if someone self certifies themselves as being fitand then has a medically related accident.Can the FAA go after him? Be very difficult in court unless it could be proved that it was a known preexisting condition. I don`t think the self certification system would survive a high profile crash into a crowd with a couple dead would it. The problem is with the nutcases. We had one guy who, with a license but with only a little experience in 3 axis a/c bought himself a gyrocopter and tried to make his first flight in it in a crowded municipal park. Luckily the silly sod rammed a tree and killed himself before he had the chance to kill anyone else. You can`t legislate against stupidity. Long may self certification flourish. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
From: Herb Gayheart <herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
What does one do when the legislators are stupid?? :-) Herb At 08:44 AM 4/3/2013, you wrote: >had a dissy spell and went to the doctor >> > >Hi Malcolm, >very sensible and in that case the system worked as it is supposed to. > >What happens if someone self certifies themselves as being fitand >then has a medically related accident.Can the FAA go after him? >Be very difficult in court unless it could be proved that it was a >known preexisting condition. > >I don`t think the self certification system would survive a high >profile crash into a crowd with a couple dead would it. > >The problem is with the nutcases. We had one guy who, with a >license but with only a little experience in 3 axis a/c bought >himself a gyrocopter and tried to make his first flight in it in a >crowded municipal park. Luckily the silly sod rammed a tree and >killed himself before he had the chance to kill anyone else. You >can`t legislate against stupidity. >Long may self certification flourish. > >Pat > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
Date: Apr 03, 2013
<> Thanks for explanation Dana. I understand it.. I still don`t think that is what the above quote says Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Subject: Re: who can fly what
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Thom, It's not gibberish, it's legalese. The FAA mandate from Congress is to manage and control the airspace and all the aircraft within it. To abstain from this mandate and accommodate ultralights they did the unimaginable and relinquished control by calling them vehicles. Rather than chide or berate them I think whoever had the genius to do that should be put on a pedestal for praise and admiration. It was an amazing and wonderful piece of thinking and on top of that they put it into law. Despite pissing, moaning and out right cheating it has remained the law and continues to be an excellent example of bureaucratic restraint. Rick Girard On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > Another way to put it is this. > > 1) If the FAA proves to themselves that a pilot is medically unfit, he can > no longer fly any aircraft, legally. > 2) If you don't give the FAA a chance to do this every six month, year, > two years, or five years (depending upon the class of medical etc) then you > can't fly aircraft that don't meet the LSA limitations. > > Convoluted thinking, I know, but the phrasing fits the FAA thinking on the > subject. > > Merriam-Webster says: > Definition of AIRCRAFT > > : a vehicle (as an airplane or balloon) for traveling through the air > > According to the FAA our ULs are not aircraft (just vehicles), which bends > the Webster definition past its elastic limit, but that is the FAA for you. > It seems that to qualify to be an FAA regulations writer, one must be a > native speaker of gibberish, or a lawyer, which is redundant. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > > Kolb Slingshot SS-021 > no engine > FOR SALE > > Diamond Katana DA20-A1 > Rotax 912 F3 > > Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. > - Anonymous > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397720#397720 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: who can fly what
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Rick, Your are correct. We are fortunate indeed to have Part 103, unique in the world, I believe. I was actually making fun of lawyers more than the FAA. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397755#397755 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
On 04/03/2013 10:08 AM, Pat Ladd wrote: > <> > Thanks for explanation Dana. I understand it.. > I still don`t think that is what the above quote says > Pat > *I think that the rest of the sentence is implied: *if you once did have a medical, the most recent one (which could be the one you just took or the one you're about to take) can't be failed if you want to keep your flying privileges in any category/class (except ultralite and/or glider) after that most recent medical. Ultralites & gliders can be flown regardless of any medical; taken or not taken, passed or failed. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: who can fly what
Date: Apr 03, 2013
You can`t legislate against stupidity. Long may self certification flourish. Pat Patrick L/Kolbers: Even British certification cannot prevent some experienced pilots from crashing into their neighbor's hanger. I've been flying actively for 45 years. I was a late bloomer. Did not solo until I was 29 years old. I now fly as a sport pilot with self certification for my medical. I forgot to renew it last August. Was already headed West on my annual journey. Very convenient to be able to do that, plus saved me $75.00. Still undecided if I will get another flight physical or not. Probably will. That would make me legal to fly at night, and less the other normal Sport Pilot restrictions. At times I get caught out at night, but my insurance would not now pay as a Sport Pilot if I had an accident. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
At 09:50 AM 4/3/2013, Herb Gayheart wrote: >What does one do when the legislators are stupid?? :-) Herb What does one do when they're smart? I realize it happens so rarely... Dana -- Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
At 08:13 AM 4/3/2013, you wrote: >Merriam-Webster says: >Definition of AIRCRAFT > >: a vehicle (as an airplane or balloon) for traveling through the air > >According to the FAA our ULs are not aircraft (just vehicles), which bends >the Webster definition past its elastic limit, but that is the FAA for you. Actually, nowhere in the regulations does it say that an ultralight vehicle isn't an aircraft, only that Part 91 applies to "aircraft other than ultralight vehicles", which implies this ULs are just a different category of aircraft. FAR 1.1 says "Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air." Dana -- Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
Date: Apr 03, 2013
I think most of this interminable thread would dry up if all of the participants would first study the source material. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
Date: Apr 04, 2013
According to the FAA our ULs are not aircraft (just vehicles), >> Hi Thom, That's a nice one. One could argue that in that case you are not under their jurisdiction in any shape or form.. Luckily here the CAA just added microlights as another class of flying machine and wrote a specification, in consultation with the BMAA, therefore there is no doubt of your planes category .Consequently we have no limit to the amount of fuel we carry, speed or height at which we can fly. There is a formula based on wing loading and maximum weight and a maximum stalling speed. This stops the evolution of a `lead sled` which might be difficult to handle. This has not stopped several microlights now cruising at 100 mph plus and the max weight has been adjusted upwards to accommodate improved ,but heavier designs. Many pilots who flew `real` planes are switching to the upper end of the microlight range for financial reasons. You have your own doctors medical declaration. Cost around 10 or20 depending on how well you know him instead of an expensive medical by an `approved`examiner. At least 150. Increased range of self maintenance, cheaper insurance. Performance often better, certainly more fuel efficient. I have a friend with a Tiger Moth. When I was flying my Eurostar I could take off as he flew overhead. Climb to his height and overtake him within a few miles. When I told him my costs compared to his he nearly had a fit. Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 04, 2013
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
I am in florida now early for sun fun so i wont return email consistently. for a while.- my first year volintering sun fun-I told this guy i wante d to fly in that chalanger and he told me he owned that plane and we tried to stop his friend as he taxied buy the pilot just looked at us and gave us a in a minut juster. the pilot then took off had a stroke on down wind and stufed it in the dirt on down wind rite ther at sun fun ,killing him self instently,-he was a high time ga pilot that lost his medical and was flyi ng UL trainers for that reason.- this is- another reason why they- di d away with UL trainers- with NO medical required, alot of ga pilots took up ul trainor flying,--a common -UL phrase was your only one medical away from being a UL-pilot -=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMich igan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com/=0ALSRM-A, P PC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513 -3022=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Herb Gayheart =0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday , April 3, 2013 7:50 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: who can fly what=0A=0A=0A What does one do when the legislators are stupid?? :-)-- Herb =0A=0AAt 08:44 AM 4/3/2013, you wrote:=0A=0Ahad a dissy spell and went to the doctor >>=0A>-=0A>Hi Malcolm,=0A>very sensible- and in that case the system w orked as it is supposed to.=0A>-=0A>What happens if someone self certifie s themselves as being fitand then has a medically related accident.Can the FAA go after him?=0A>Be very difficult in court unless it could be proved t hat it was a known preexisting condition.=0A>-=0A>I don`t think the self certification system would survive a high profile crash into a crowd with a couple dead would it.=0A>-=0A>The problem is with the nutcases. We had o ne guy who, with- a license but with only a little experience in 3 axis a /c bought himself a gyrocopter and tried to make his first flight in it in a crowded municipal park. Luckily the silly sod rammed a tree and killed hi mself before he had the chance to kill anyone else. You can`t legislate aga inst stupidity.=0A>Long may self certification flourish.=0A>-=0A>Pat=0A> ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: who can fly what
Date: Apr 04, 2013
the pilot then took off had a stroke on down wind and stufed it in the dirt on down wind rite ther at sun fun ,killing him self instently, he was a high time ga pilot that lost his medical and was flying UL trainers for that reason. Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker Malcolm B/Kolbers: I believe this is the accident you refer to above: http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id 001206X01159&ntsbno=MI A94LA121&akey=1 I was flying the Kolb factory MKIII. Took off behind the accident aircraft. Watched helplessly as the aircraft started its left descending turn until it crashed. The accident aircraft was a newly designed and built Tundra from Canada. The gentleman killed in the crash was a PVT pilot. Don't believe he was flying it because he lost his medical, but was demonstrating a newly developed kit plane. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: who can fly what
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Apr 04, 2013
[quote="GeoB"]I think most of this interminable thread would dry up if all of the participants would first study the source material. > [b] Just because their paranoid, doesnt mean the Feds are not out to get them. [Wink] -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397846#397846 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 04, 2013
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
Even if the description of pilot & accident mentioned below is accurate, it doesn't represent the statistical reality in health/accident records for those flying without a medical. If it did, you wouldn't see the FAA actively considering self certification for many pilots with a 3rd class medical. The reason that the FAA is actively considering this is because they now have a good statistical sample from the sport pilot community showing a very 'clean' record. Charlie On 04/04/2013 07:49 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote: > I am in florida now early for sun fun so i wont return email > consistently. for a while. my first year volintering sun fun I told > this guy i wanted to fly in that chalanger and he told me he owned > that plane and we tried to stop his friend as he taxied buy the pilot > just looked at us and gave us a in a minut juster. the pilot then took > off had a stroke on down wind and stufed it in the dirt on down wind > rite ther at sun fun ,killing him self instently, he was a high time > ga pilot that lost his medical and was flying UL trainers for that > reason. this is another reason why they did away with UL trainers > with NO medical required, alot of ga pilots took up ul trainor > flying, a common UL phrase was your only one medical away from being > a UL pilot > Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker > Michigan Sport Pilot Repair > http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/ > LSRM-A, PPC, WS > Great Sails - Sailmaker > for Ultralight & Light Sport > (989)513-3022 > > *From:* Herb Gayheart > *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:50 AM > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: who can fly what > > What does one do when the legislators are stupid?? :-) Herb > > At 08:44 AM 4/3/2013, you wrote: >> had a dissy spell and went to the doctor >> >> >> Hi Malcolm, >> very sensible and in that case the system worked as it is supposed to. >> >> What happens if someone self certifies themselves as being fitand >> then has a medically related accident.Can the FAA go after him? >> Be very difficult in court unless it could be proved that it was a >> known preexisting condition. >> >> I don`t think the self certification system would survive a high >> profile crash into a crowd with a couple dead would it. >> >> The problem is with the nutcases. We had one guy who, with a license >> but with only a little experience in 3 axis a/c bought himself a >> gyrocopter and tried to make his first flight in it in a crowded >> municipal park. Luckily the silly sod rammed a tree and killed >> himself before he had the chance to kill anyone else. You can`t >> legislate against stupidity. >> Long may self certification flourish. >> >> Pat >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
Date: Apr 05, 2013
That would make me legal to fly at night,>> John, can you fly an ultralight at night? microlights here are strictly VFR. A Sports Pilot cat, is OK I presume. My licence is strictly microlight. Incidentally. The guy who bought my Mark3 Xtra has deregistered it. From that I can only assume that he is going to break it for parts. I wouldn`t have sold the old girl to him if I had known. Trying to help out a fellow flyer I threw in the radio (the one from you John) and a GPS and a pile of bits as well. I sold it at a giveaway price but since the sale I have had 5 enquiries. Dammit! Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: who can fly what
Date: Apr 05, 2013
<> Charlie, the light dawns. The intricacies of language.If you substitute `must not` for `can`t` the whole sense of the sentence alters and becomes clear. At least to me Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: who can fly what
Date: Apr 05, 2013
Pat L/Kolbers: My MKIII is registered Experimental/Homebuilt and certified for night flight. Since I let my flight physical expire, and became a Sport Pilot, I am no longer authorized to fly at night. If I renew my Class III Flight Physical, I will again be authorized to fly at night. I might add, I haven't logged night time in a very long time. No productive to fly a single engine, homebuilt, without redundant systems at night. Ultralights come under Part 103, and are not authorized to fly at night. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Ladd Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: who can fly what That would make me legal to fly at night,>> John, can you fly an ultralight at night? microlights here are strictly VFR. A Sports Pilot cat, is OK I presume. My licence is strictly microlight. Incidentally. The guy who bought my Mark3 Xtra has deregistered it. From that I can only assume that he is going to break it for parts. I wouldn`t have sold the old girl to him if I had known. Trying to help out a fellow flyer I threw in the radio (the one from you John) and a GPS and a pile of bits as well. I sold it at a giveaway price but since the sale I have had 5 enquiries. Dammit! Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kolbra for sale
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 06, 2013
This looks like a nice Kolbra for sale at $19,000. It has a Rotax 582 with 150 hrs since overhaul. The aircraft has 450 hrs. The owner says he is selling due to medical reasons. He is 72 with heart problems. He did a very nice covering job according to what I see in the pictures. He's in Fremont Nebraska. Contact Larry at: gittlj(at)q.com -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397956#397956 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/zdscn1128_347.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1067_front_cockpit_917.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0230__338.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0229_176.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0227_659.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0226_454.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolbra for sale
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Apr 06, 2013
gittlj(at)q.com Not a valid address -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397998#397998 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Flight to Shell Lake
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 06, 2013
My wife and I took a flight to Shell Lake Wisconsin yesterday. It was our anniversary and she wanted to go to an airport she has never been to. It was 32 degrees outside, but we bundled up and had fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frclo3aYx34 Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398008#398008 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolbra for sale
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 06, 2013
Use the @ for (at) ... -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398009#398009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2013
From: frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Kolbra for sale
b ________________________________ From: Ralph B <rstar447(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sat, April 6, 2013 10:41:36 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolbra for sale Use the @ for (at) ... -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398009#398009 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Subject: Kolbra
Date: Apr 07, 2013
Do you have more detail information on your Kolbra ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Seat Security...How much is too much !
From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
Date: Apr 07, 2013
Found a large size 'Child's Car Seat' that works well. About 4 pounds after some serious butchering with my Reciprocating Sawsall . Quite comfortable and offers the tight fit I was looking for and .....only three bucks at a garage sale! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398060#398060 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn3878_130.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolbra
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 07, 2013
"Dennis Thate" > Do you have more detail information on your Kolbra? Dennis, I assume you want the info on Larry's Kolbra. I can give all the info you need on my Kolbra. I think Larry's Kolbra is a very good deal for someone and it looks like he did a great job building it. The buyer could get it now, and expand to a 912 engine later on if that's what they wanted. I haven't seen Larry's covering job in person, but I think it's better than my Kolbra. I will send you an email ... Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398075#398075 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Beauford " <beauford173(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Exhaust Clamps - 447
Date: Apr 07, 2013
Kolbers: Today, during annual inspection on the Kleenex Fly, observed that the after market exhaust system clamps on the evil 447 evidenced a problem. These stainless steel circular clamps, held in place with 3/8 inch A/N nuts and bolts around their circumference, are widely used to replace the traditional Rotax muffler springs. On mine, the innermost clamp closest to the "Y" in the manifold, no longer had the dimension to clamp securely against the swelling end of the manifold pipe where it enters into the "U" shaped elbow. This condition was not related to the tightness of the 3/8 inch nuts and bolts. the clamp had vibrated against the pipe and worn slightly to where it was just slightly too large to grip securely against the manifold tube. Repositioning the clamp was not an option due to the proximity of the edge of the "U" elbow. The result was a loose clamp and excessive slop in the manifold-to-elbow connection, together with significant evidence of blow-by leakage at that connection, a condition which most of you know has larger implications for the reliable operation of a 2-stroke engine. I think the clamps are tidy, sexy and pretty.and I think the Rotax springs, with their safety wire and red Permatex damping goo, are messy, primitive and ugly. but the ugly 'ol springs will be back on Beauford's toy tomorrow. If you are a "clamper" v.s. a "springer", you might want to take a quick peek at yours. Can't hurt. Am happy that I was cynical enough not to remove the old Rotax spring hangers when the spiffy new clamps were installed. Never cut off anything old that might be of some use later.regardless of how improbable that prospect may seem at the time. .worth what ye paid fer it. Springy, de-clamped beauford FF-076, N173BW Brandon, FL If you forward this e-mail, please remove my name before sending it... I promise to do the same for you... Thanks... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Exhaust Clamps - 447
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Apr 07, 2013
These are not stainless, and require a bit of welding and grinding, but they are about as bulletproof as it is possible to make: Go to Advance, Pep Boys, or your favorite purveyor of muffler clamps and get yourself 4 large clamps. Discard the U-bolts. Cut off the ends of the bent U-channel and weld them to the various parts of the exhaust system. Plan ahead, not all positions are equally useful. Get some 5/16" common bolts at Lowes, drill them for cotter pins at the outer end of the threads. Get four stout springs to fit over the bolts and a handfull of washers, and put the whole mess together. Smear a little anti-seize in the ball joints. Every 50 hours or so the bolts will get slightly worn away where they pass through the brackets; replace them. Since they are 5/16" bolts, they have to chew away a lot before you need to worry. You can get aircraft quality bolts if you want to, I think 5/16" common bolts are overkill, that's why I use them. Crude? Yeah. Heavy? Yeah. Likely to come apart and go through the prop? Not if you preflight and they are not grooved from wear. And as my buddy Beauford would say: "Worth what ye paid fer it!" -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398113#398113 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/exhbolts_106.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net>
Subject: mounting hinges
Date: Apr 09, 2013
Hello Kolbers, I have built my wings, horizontal stabilizers, and vertical stabilizer. Now I need to mount my hinges.I remember someone split each hinges into thirds and mounted the hinge on both sides of the center line, on the trailing edge tube, rather than having the hinge mounted all on one side. This seems like a good idea to me, but I cannot find the "posts" in the Archives. I would be grateful if anyone has thoughts on the pro's or con's of this approach. Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska N607AK Kolbra #1 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: mounting hinges
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 09, 2013
"nickc(at)mtaonline.net" > Hello Kolbers, > > I have built my wings, horizontal stabilizers, and vertical stabilizer. Now I need to mount my hingesI remember someone split each hinges into thirds and mounted the hinge on both sides of the center line, on the trailing edge tube, rather than having the hinge mounted all on one side. This seems like a good idea to me, but I cannot find the posts in the Archives. I would be grateful if anyone has thoughts on the pros or cons of this approach. > > Thanks, > > Nick Cassara > Palmer, Alaska > > N607AK Kolbra #1 Nick, my Kolbra was built according to plan and the hinges were not split. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398258#398258 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges
Date: Apr 09, 2013
I went into the search engine and did a search on =9Cx hinges=9D found this http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Xhingestrailingedge.jpg and http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/HINGESML.jpg if you do the search, you may find more. as I remember, you have to cut out every other spot on each hinges that the wire hinge pin goes through. I have no experience to determine if it is a good idea or not. hope this is what you are looking for. boyd young From: Nick Cassara Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Kolb-List: mounting hinges Hello Kolbers, I have built my wings, horizontal stabilizers, and vertical stabilizer. Now I need to mount my hingesI remember someone split each hinges into thirds and mounted the hinge on both sides of the center line, on the trailing edge tube, rather than having the hinge mounted all on one side. This seems like a good idea to me, but I cannot find the =9Cposts=9D in the Archives. I would be grateful if anyone has thoughts on the pro=99s or con=99s of this approach. Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska N607AK Kolbra #1 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kolb location at S&F
From: "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net>
Date: Apr 09, 2013
I'm here at sun-n-fun and Kolb is not here anywhere I look. Hope they didn't have trouble getting here, will look again tomorrow... Rick -------- Rick Lewis (VW Watercooled Engine) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398301#398301 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: mounting hinges
From: "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 10, 2013
Nick, Here is a Picture of the X-Hinge I am using on my Firestar II. I do not know if these can be bought but they are very easy to make. It takes twice as much hinge to make these. Some people think less is better, but I think I need to make things as good as I can if my life is depending on it. This is by far stronger, and maybe even over-kill but I will bet this set-up is less likely to fail. Best Regards Joe -------- Kolb Firestar II 503 C-Box / RK400 Soon to have a Rotax 670 DCDI with a C-Box and RK 400 Clutch Challenger II 503 Tall Drive Location : Buffalo South Carolina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398321#398321 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/x_hinge_164.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 04/09/13
Date: Apr 10, 2013
I built my Kolb Slingshot with split hinges on the rudder. That is they were cut to intertwine, a gruesome task. But, it stabilizes the rudder to center point and greatly enhances the strength of the hinges. They work and look great. On the ailerons though, you have to remember the initial way to install the hinges creates aileron differential and that is important. It allows the ail to go up much more than travel down and that reduces drag during a banking turn thus eliminating or almost eliminating the need to use the rudder during a turn. At least, that is way mine works. I believe it is called adverse yaw. During the six or more years I flew my firestar I had to adjust the rudder hinges many times for they would bend in one direction and offset the rudder. The X hinge system fixed this and I now do not worry about the pressure and speeds I now fly. I believe the information is in the archieves but if not, I may be able to get the infor and pattern. Very glad I did it. my two cents. Ted Cowan, Slingshot 912 UL zoom zoom ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: mounting hinges
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Apr 10, 2013
You can also split them this way: -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398342#398342 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020536_large_190.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020534_large_208.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2013
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb location at S&F
Rick, We are located due west of ul briefing tent. Give us a call if you are still lost. 3343152621 John > > I'm here at sun-n-fun and Kolb is not here anywhere I look. Hope they didn't have trouble getting here, will look again tomorrow... > > Rick > > -------- > Rick Lewis > > (VW Watercooled Engine) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398301#398301 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2013
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges
Ref x hinges. See if I can figure this out. Cut half the loops off the hinge resulting in a stronger hinge? Lot of work compared using the whole hinge. There is no problem with current hinges or Kolb method of attachment. Johnh MkIII Lakeland, FL ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Exhaust Clamps - 447
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 10, 2013
The springs that you can get from JBM are stainless steel.You only have to buy them once.You will have them with-in 4 days of ordering. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: Beauford <beauford173(at)tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:10 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Exhaust Clamps - 447 Kolbers: Today, during annual inspection on the Kleenex Fly, observed that the after market exhaust system clamps on the evil 447 evidenced a problem. These stainless steel circular clamps, held in place with 3/8 inch A/N nuts and bolts around their circumference, are widely used to replace the traditional Rotax muffler spr ings. On mine, the innermost clamp closest to the =9CY=9D in the manifold, no longer had the dimension to clamp s ecurely against the swelling end of the manifold pipe where it enters into the =9CU=9D shaped elbow. This condition was not r elated to the tightness of the 3/8 inch nuts and bolts the clamp had vibrated against the pipe and worn slightly to where it was just slight ly too large to grip securely against the manifold tube. Repositioning the clamp was not an option due to the proximity of the edge of the =9CU=9D elbow. The result was a loose clamp and excessive slop in the manifold-to-elbow co nnection, together with significant evidence of blow-by leakage at that con nection, a condition which most of you know has larger implications for the reliable o peration of a 2-stroke engine. I think the clamps are tidy, sexy and prettyand I think the Rotax springs, with their safety wire and red Permatex damping goo, are messy, primitive and ugly but the ugly =98ol springs will be back on Beauford=99s toy tomorrow. If you are a =9Cclamper =9D v.s. a =9Cspringer=9D, you might want to take a quick peek at yours. Can=99t hurt. Am happy that I was cynical enough not to remove the old Rotax spring hange rs when the spiffy new clamps were installed Never cut off anythin g old that might be of some use laterregardless of how improbable th at prospect may seem at the time worth what ye paid fer it. Springy, de-clamped beauford FF-076, N173BW Brandon, FL If you forward this e-mail, please remove my name before sending it... I p romise to do the same for you... Thanks... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2013
From: <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges
I erred I my previous post. Didn't realize it took twice as much hinge for x hinge. John h MkIII Lakeland, FL ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: mounting hinges
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 10, 2013
Using the full hinge mount per plan lasts a long time as my Firestar is built that way and has 1000 hrs. Also, I removed the book-binding tape between the aileron and wing and didn't notice one bit of difference in banking the Kolbra. John H: you can use the "edit" button to the right when making corrections in your posts. There is no need to write another post. It will make the changes in your original post. I may have mentioned this before, but it bears repeating. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398357#398357 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net>
Subject: Thank you for all the ideas!
Date: Apr 11, 2013
Kolbers, Thanks to all for your response to my hinge question! I have a hard time finding what I am looking for in the archives. These responses give me plenty to ponder! Not sure I could have gotten as far as I have without all of your generous support! Thanks as always! Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org>
Date: Apr 16, 2013
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/15/13
Hello Kolbers: How did Sun-n-Fun turn out this year? Glad Kolb was represented. Would have liked to have been there for sure. Looking forward to seeing all who can make the meeting in KY next month. I have several questions for those with completed aircraft. Bob Green N830PB, MKIIIX w/GPAS VW 2180 conversion. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: who can fly what
From: "Tom O'Hara" <tohara(at)alphagraphics.com>
Date: Apr 16, 2013
No medical is required to fly- lighter than air, Gas or hot air. That applies to student, private, commercial and instructor (included in commercial). and, what a wonderful way to get your feet of the ground! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398750#398750 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2013
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges
On 04/10/2013 09:05 AM, Ralph B wrote: > > Using the full hinge mount per plan lasts a long time as my Firestar is built that way and has 1000 hrs. Also, I removed the book-binding tape between the aileron and wing and didn't notice one bit of difference in banking the Kolbra. > > John H: you can use the "edit" button to the right when making corrections in your posts. There is no need to write another post. It will make the changes in your original post. I may have mentioned this before, but it bears repeating. > > Ralph > > -------- > Ralph B > Original Firestar 447 > N91493 E-AB > 1000+ hours > 26 years flying it > > Kolbra 912ULS > N20386 > 200 hours > I don't know which method John uses, but if he's using email (I do), posts can't be edited after sending. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: mounting hinges
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 16, 2013
"ceengland7(at)gmail.com" > > I don't know which method John uses, but if he's using email (I do), > > posts can't be edited after sending. > > Charlie The editing can be changed after sending if you are posting on the matronics.com forum. If you are doing it by email, then it can't be edited after sending. Thanks for pointing that out. Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398768#398768 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2013
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges
At 08:55 PM 4/16/2013, Ralph B wrote: >The editing can be changed after sending if you are posting on the >matronics.com forum. If you are doing it by email, then it can't be edited >after sending. Thanks for pointing that out. Note too that those of us who receive the posts by email will only get the original unedited version... Dana -- The supreme irony of life is that hardly anyone gets out of it alive. - RAH ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges/Email Mechanics ;-)
Date: Apr 16, 2013
The editing can be changed after sending if you are posting on the matronics.com forum. If you are doing it by email, then it can't be edited after sending. Thanks for pointing that out. Ralph B Ralph B/Kolbers: That is why I do it the way I do. If I get lazy, don't proof read, send a less than good quality post; then I have to correct the bad one with, hopefully, a good one. BTW: Had a great week at Sun and Fun 2013, my 30th consecutive trip to Lakeland. Certainly has changed a lot during the past 30 flyins. I'm old fashioned. Still like the old way we did things best. Got to visit with a lot of my old friends. What better way to spend the day. Looking forward to the 2013 Kolb Homecoming 17-19 May 2013. I flew down at 10,000 feet. Had a 20 mph headwind where I normally fly, low level. Started climbing out of Gantt IAP. By the time I got to 8,000 feet, the wind had started to turn in my favor. 10,000 feet yielded a 20 mph tail wind. Ain't tail winds great. Flew 4,000 feet on the return flight. Not much help from the wind. Round trip was 840 sm. Surprisingly, I burned 5.0 gph at 5,200 rpm at 10,000 feet. At low altitudes and 5,200 rpm, fuel burn is 5.5 gph. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: mounting hinges/Email Mechanics ;-)
From: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org>
Date: Apr 16, 2013
Nice. What was your IAS? -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398781#398781 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: mounting hinges/Email Mechanics ;-)
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 17, 2013
.... Surprisingly, I burned 5.0 gph at 5,200 rpm at 10,000 feet. At low altitudes and 5,200 rpm, fuel burn is 5.5 gph. .... Should not be a surprise because at 10,000 feet 5200 rpm makes less power than at 4,000 feet due to less dense air. Less power means less fuel consumption. Don't mean to split hairs, just asking: Did you really mean you flew at 10,000 feet east bound against west bound IFR traffic, or perhaps you meant 9,500'? -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398787#398787 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges/Email Mechanics ;-)
Date: Apr 17, 2013
Nice. What was your IAS? Richard P/Kolbers: Averaged about 75 to 80. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges/Email Mechanics ;-)
Date: Apr 17, 2013
Should not be a surprise because at 10,000 feet 5200 rpm makes less power than at 4,000 feet due to less dense air. Less power means less fuel consumption. Thom Riddle Thom R/Kolbers: Yes, I was surprised. Up until this flight my 912ULS burned 5.5 gph at 5,200 rpm no matter what altitude I flew. When I refueled at Cross City, FL, after 4.0 hours, it took 20.1 gals. Hope it will keep on doing that. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2013
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges/Email Mechanics ;-)
On 04/17/2013 06:58 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > > > Should not be a surprise because at 10,000 feet 5200 rpm makes less power > than at 4,000 feet due to less dense air. Less power means less fuel > consumption. > > Thom Riddle > > > > Thom R/Kolbers: > > Yes, I was surprised. Up until this flight my 912ULS burned 5.5 gph at 5,200 > rpm no matter what altitude I flew. > > When I refueled at Cross City, FL, after 4.0 hours, it took 20.1 gals. Hope > it will keep on doing that. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > Does your 912 have a method to manually lean the mixture? If not, you could probably do even better at altitude if you added that. As I'm sure you know (but other, UL-only participants might not), not only do you make less power up there, but the drag is quite a bit less, too, meaning significantly lower power is required for the same speed. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges/Email Mechanics ;-)
Date: Apr 17, 2013
Does your 912 have a method to manually lean the mixture? Charlie 912 Bing carbs are altitude and temperature compensating. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: mounting hinges/Email Mechanics ;-)
From: Charlie E <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 17, 2013
Yes, but it's doubtful they can manage the extra leaning that's possible at lower power settings. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:13 PM, "John Hauck" wrote: > > > > Does your 912 have a method to manually lean the mixture? Charlie > > > > > 912 Bing carbs are altitude and temperature compensating. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges/Email Mechanics ;-)
Date: Apr 17, 2013
Yes, but it's doubtful they can manage the extra leaning that's possible at lower power settings. Charlie E/Kolbers: The Bings lean as much as I want them too. The 912 is still climbing at 14,500 feet. John Williamson was still climbing at 15,000 feet. Midrange is tuned right next to too lean on the 80 and 100 horse 912. I experienced a too lean condition on my first flight to Alaska in 1994, but did not have the experience with the engine, was brand new when I departed Alabama, to properly diagnose what was going on. A few months after returning from Alaska, when the weather cooled in Alabama, I discovered the problem, raised the fuel needles a notch, and cured my problem. Would have saved me a bunch of grief in Alaska if I could have figured it out. The guys at ROTAX couldn't figure it out either. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: landing gear alignment
From: "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Date: Apr 18, 2013
TOE SETTING ON TAILWHEEL AIRCRAFT ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW http://www.biplaneforum.com/uploads/20111027_130115_200901_EAA_CHAP.pdf -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398862#398862 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: landing gear alignment
From: "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 18, 2013
Both my Firestar and Kolbra have toe in on the landing gear. They don't have any problems on a hard-surface runway. That can be seen in my last video (a few posts ago) with a landing at Shell Lake Wisconsin. Even with a slight toe in configuration, once the pilot is in the aircraft, the gear moves to neutral toe in. Once out of the aircraft and pushed backwards, the gear moves to a "toe out" configuration. If the aircraft is parked at a fly-in or in the hanger try this: With your back to the cockpit and knees bent, try lifting underneath. You will see the gear leg on that side spring back to the toe in configuration. I usually do this at a fly-in so that my gear doesn't look like I've spread them out. Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398877#398877 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lanny Fetterman" <donaho1(at)verizon.net>
Subject: mogas
Date: Apr 18, 2013
Sta-bil for 2 stroke marine applications. So far so good. However, I pump my fuel as close to my flight as I can. Usually a few days. Lanny FSII I cried because I had no shoes, until I saw a man that had no feet! Lanny ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Matco hydraulic brakes
From: "Skel" <mursall(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 18, 2013
Can anyone tell me if these matco brakes are any good? From the research I've done so far....I think these may be the bad matco brakes I've heard about. I don't have the master cylinders or anything else related to the braking system when I bought my unfinished kit. I'm hoping one of the experts can advise whether I should bother trying to source the missing parts or just buy a new braking system. Thanks in advance. -------- 96 Kolb Mark 3 Classic - Factory quick build kit that is unfinished 02 Chinook Plus 2, 582 Rotax - Registered AULA 05 Challenger 2 503 Rotax - 150 hrs experience Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398919#398919 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_brakes_401.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: mounting hinges/Email Mechanics ;-)
From: Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 18, 2013
Just out of curiosity, how big js/are your tank(s)? Sent from my iPad Brad On Apr 17, 2013, at 5:58, "John Hauck" wrote: > > > > > Should not be a surprise because at 10,000 feet 5200 rpm makes less power > than at 4,000 feet due to less dense air. Less power means less fuel > consumption. > > Thom Riddle > > > > Thom R/Kolbers: > > Yes, I was surprised. Up until this flight my 912ULS burned 5.5 gph at 5,200 > rpm no matter what altitude I flew. > > When I refueled at Cross City, FL, after 4.0 hours, it took 20.1 gals. Hope > it will keep on doing that. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2013
Subject: Re: Matco hydraulic brakes
From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
Skel, If they're the Matco units like the ones on a Mk IIIX I worked on, I'd go to another brand. If yours have no way for the fixed pad to slide ask yourself how they work. The fixed pad either has to be shimmed so tight that it glazes or either the caliper or the disk has to bend. IMHO they are almost worthless. Rick Girard On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Skel wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if these matco brakes are any good? From the research > I've done so far....I think these may be the bad matco brakes I've heard > about. I don't have the master cylinders or anything else related to the > braking system when I bought my unfinished kit. I'm hoping one of the > experts can advise whether I should bother trying to source the missing > parts or just buy a new braking system. Thanks in advance. > > -------- > 96 Kolb Mark 3 Classic - Factory quick build kit that is unfinished > 02 Chinook Plus 2, 582 Rotax - Registered AULA > 05 Challenger 2 503 Rotax - 150 hrs experience > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398919#398919 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_brakes_401.jpg > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Matco hydraulic brakes
Date: Apr 18, 2013
they are the same brakes I have on my mk III,,,,, the fixed pad does slide back and forth (if installed correctly) there is a bushing keeping the 2 halves at a set distance apart,, the bushing goes over the mounting bolt and slides back and forth through the flanged holes in the mounting plate ,, the biggest problem , and it is not a big problem,,is they don=99t hold as tight as I would like... when I had the 600 x6x 15 tires, they held ok.. when I went to the larger tire, 600 x6 they will not hold the plane still at as high of an rpm, due to the longer moment arm on the taller tire.. with 2 people in the plane, I can hold the brakes till the tail comes up,,, solo, I will start to creep forward... matco makes a brake that has 2 pistons, and has more holding power. and the axel and bearings are larger diamater as well. the axel is 7/8 instead of 5/8 if my memory serves. boyd young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skel, If they're the Matco units like the ones on a Mk IIIX I worked on, I'd go to another brand. If yours have no way for the fixed pad to slide ask yourself how they work. The fixed pad either has to be shimmed so tight that it glazes or either the caliper or the disk has to bend. IMHO they are almost worthless. Rick Girard On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Skel wrote: Can anyone tell me if these matco brakes are any good? From the research I've done so far....I think these may be the bad matco brakes I've heard about. I don't have the master cylinders or anything else related to the braking system when I bought my unfinished kit. I'm hoping one of the experts can advise whether I should bother trying to source the missing parts or just buy a new braking system. Thanks in advance. -------- 96 Kolb Mark 3 Classic - Factory quick build kit that is unfinished 02 Chinook Plus 2, 582 Rotax - Registered AULA 05 Challenger 2 503 Rotax - 150 hrs experience Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398919#398919 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_brakes_401.jpg ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: mounting hinges/Email Mechanics ;-)
Date: Apr 19, 2013
Just out of curiosity, how big js/are your tank(s)? Sent from my iPad Brad Brad N/Kolbers: Knew I was going to need a lot more than 10 gals of fuel, based on my experience with the Ultrastar and Firestar. During construction the mkIII, we designed and fabricated a 25 gal alum fuel tank. Built it out of 5052 .050 alum. Sloshed it when complete. Has never had a leak. Have never come up short on fuel, except once. Landed at Kit Carson County Airport, Colorado, with .75 gal. That was too close. john h mkIII Woodville, Florida ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2013
Subject: Re: Matco hydraulic brakes
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
I have the same Matco brakes that I have been flying on my VW powered MKIIIC for fifteen years. Boyd exactly right on all points. I think Matco has newer more abrasive brake pads that I will try some day. I flew the factory demonstrator "Fat Albert" that had the same brakes and they were three times as powerful. Not sure why they worked so much better. Bottom line Matco brakes work very reliable if not super powerful but they are very functional. Anyway if you have money burning a hole in your pocket go ahead and get different brakes. Matco also has many options for improved performance that could be done with less cost than replacing them. Check with Matco. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:05 AM, b young wrote: > they are the same brakes I have on my mk III,,,,, the fixed pad does > slide back and forth (if installed correctly) there is a bushing keepin g > the 2 halves at a set distance apart,, the bushing goes over the mounti ng > bolt and slides back and forth through the flanged holes in the mounting > plate ,, the biggest problem , and it is not a big problem,,is they > don=92t hold as tight as I would like... when I had the 600 x6x 15 tires , > they held ok.. when I went to the larger tire, 600 x6 they will not hol d > the plane still at as high of an rpm, due to the longer moment arm on the > taller tire.. with 2 people in the plane, I can hold the brakes till the > tail comes up,,, solo, I will start to creep forward... matco make s > a brake that has 2 pistons, and has more holding power. and the axel an d > bearings are larger diamater as well. the axel is 7/8 instead of 5/8 if > my memory serves. > > boyd young > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Skel, If they're the Matco units like the ones on a Mk IIIX I worked on, > I'd go to another brand. > If yours have no way for the fixed pad to slide ask yourself how they > work. The fixed pad either has to be shimmed so tight that it glazes or > either the caliper or the disk has to bend. IMHO they are almost worthles s. > > Rick Girard > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Skel wrote: > >> >> Can anyone tell me if these matco brakes are any good? From the researc h >> I've done so far....I think these may be the bad matco brakes I've heard >> about. I don't have the master cylinders or anything else related to th e >> braking system when I bought my unfinished kit. I'm hoping one of the >> experts can advise whether I should bother trying to source the missing >> parts or just buy a new braking system. Thanks in advance. >> >> -------- >> 96 Kolb Mark 3 Classic - Factory quick build kit that is unfinished >> 02 Chinook Plus 2, 582 Rotax - Registered AULA >> 05 Challenger 2 503 Rotax - 150 hrs experience >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398919#398919 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/matco_brakes_401.jpg >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhapp y. > - Groucho Marx > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Matco hydraulic brakes
Date: Apr 19, 2013
Rick I had not given thought that Matco would have brake pads that are more (sticky, grabby, softer) I am not sure the correct word...... that would be a real easy / cheep fix for a bit more hold. just thinking out loud here,,, if the pads had more grip I would suppose they would wear faster. and that is not likely to be a problem. boyd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the same Matco brakes that I have been flying on my VW powered MKIIIC for fifteen years. Boyd exactly right on all points. I think Matco has newer more abrasive brake pads that I will try some day. I flew the factory demonstrator "Fat Albert" that had the same brakes and they were three times as powerful. Not sure why they worked so much better. Bottom line Matco brakes work very reliable if not super powerful but they are very functional. Anyway if you have money burning a hole in your pocket go ahead and get different brakes. Matco also has many options for improved performance that could be done with less cost than replacing them. Check with Matco. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2013
Subject: Aligning landing gear
From: JC Gilpin <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com>
Here's a means that we found for easily aligning the landing gear on a FireFly. Pretty self-explanatory.... The hard-drawn copper pipe fits exactly through where the axles go. JG ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Camera Mounts on Kolbs
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net>
Date: Apr 21, 2013
Kolbers: Have been enjoying Larry Cottrell's videos from his part of the country, both content and quality. Asked Larry for images/descriptions of his camera mount so they could be put on my oh2fly.net web site for others to see.


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