Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-mo
June 15, 2013 - August 17, 2013
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| Subject: | Re: Microburst topples Kolb Trailer - Injures my Firestar -2 |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
Mahesh, Sorry to hear about your loss. It's nothing but heartache, but if you can
find it in yourself to rebuild your Firestar, you will be a happier man. One
attitude worth taking is to tell yourself that you can rebuild it better than
it was before and maybe add a few things that you thought about when building
it the first time. Once it's flying again, this tragedy will be a fading memory.
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000+ hours
26 years flying it
Kolbra 912ULS
N20386
200 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Microburst topples Kolb Trailer - Injures my Firestar -2 |
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Ralph. I agree!
I am planning to bring about a few modification to my Trailer. I plant to weld
eyebolts on to the bottom and top so that I can strap it down just like a tiedown....Earthquake
would be the only concern then :-))
Mahesh
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| Subject: | Jig To Install Hinges |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
The picture shows a jig which immobilizes the hinge in position for drilling.
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Dnul
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| Subject: | Jip To Cut Bushings |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
Bushing can be cut square to an exact length. Use bee's wax on hacksaw.
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Dnul
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| Subject: | Sport Instructor Central Ohio |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
http://www.heavenboundaviation.com/
Aircraft Dealer, Engine Dealer/Rebuilder, Airfield, Electronics.
Cell: 740-644-4690
Address: 8878 Harmony Church Rd., Johnstown, OH 43031
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Dnul
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| Subject: | IVO Prop Vs Warp Drive - Rotax 503 - FS2 - Advice |
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Kolbers,
I have to replace two of my current 3 blade 72" IVO Props because of the microburst
impact for my Rotax 503.
Should I switch to a 3 blade warp drive or just stick to IVO. On the forum I have
heard good things on the warp drive prop and since they cost almost the same,
I wanted some input from you all and then proceed ahead!
Thanks in advance!
Mahesh Iyer
FS-2, Rotax -503
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | IVO Prop Vs Warp Drive - Rotax 503 - FS2 - Advice |
Should I switch to a 3 blade warp drive or just stick to
IVO. On the forum I have heard good things on the warp drive
prop and since they cost almost the same, I wanted some
input from you all and then proceed ahead!
Thanks in advance!
Mahesh Iyer
FS-2, Rotax -503
Mahesh/Kolbers:
If I was in your shoes, I'd go with a two blade Warp Drive.
Been flying with Warp Drive since 1993. That equates to
well over 3,000 hours on my old MKIII without a prop
problem.
john h
mkIII
Somewhere between KC, MO, and Lincoln, NE.
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| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Vs Warp Drive - Rotax 503 - FS2 - Advice |
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks John.
What was the length of your prop?
Will it give me the same thrust as a three blade IVO. Are there any advantages,
disadvantages of a two blade vs a three blade?
Appreciate your input!
Mahesh
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Vs Warp Drive - Rotax 503 - FS2 - Advice |
What was the length of your prop?
Will it give me the same thrust as a three blade IVO. Are
there any advantages, disadvantages of a two blade vs a
three blade?
Appreciate your input!
Mahesh
Mahesh/Kolbers:
Talk with Daryl at Warp Drive. He will give you the correct
length.
The two blade Warp has several advantages over the three
blade:
-weight savings of one blade.
-overall height of the aircraft is reduced for storage.
john h
mkIII
Grand Island, NE
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Vs Warp Drive - Rotax 503 - FS2 - Advice |
>
>..........Should I switch to a 3 blade warp drive or just stick to IVO. On
the forum I have heard good things on the warp drive prop and since they
cost almost the same, I wanted some input from you all and then proceed
ahead!
>
Mahesh,
Check out the spec for your gear box to find out the maximum propeller
moment of inertia it can swing. Also remember that the smaller the
propeller moment of inertia the easier it is for the propeller to absorb the
engine torque impulses due to individual cylinder/piston firing impulses.
This also translates to less engine generated vibration being transmitted to
engine crank, gear box, the cage and gives a smoother ride.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Sport aviation mag..... |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
http://www.contactmagazine.com/FreeLunch.html
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Dnul
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| Subject: | Re: Sport aviation mag..... |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
http://www.contactmagazine.com/FreeLunch.html
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Dnul
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| Subject: | Re: Sport aviation mag..... |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
http://www.contactmagazine.com/FreeLunch.html
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Dnul
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| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Vs Warp Drive - Rotax 503 - FS2 - Advice |
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you John and Jack.
I have a 2.28 'B' Box and my current prop is a 3 blade 72 Inch IVO.
It has never given me an issues in the last 8 years, Did well on climb and cruise,
but if there something better out there in the market then I will surely like
to try it out!
Mahesh
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| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Vs Warp Drive - Rotax 503 - FS2 - Advice |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
A friend who has run both has told me the Warp produced a lot more thrust than
a same sized Ivo on a 503 Phantom he used to own.
The Warp is way tougher.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Jun 15, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "miyer2u" wrote:
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> Kolbers,
> I have to replace two of my current 3 blade 72" IVO Props because of the microburst
impact for my Rotax 503.
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> Should I switch to a 3 blade warp drive or just stick to IVO. On the forum I
have heard good things on the warp drive prop and since they cost almost the same,
I wanted some input from you all and then proceed ahead!
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> Thanks in advance!
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> Mahesh Iyer
> FS-2, Rotax -503
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| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Vs Warp Drive - Rotax 503 - FS2 - Advice |
In a message dated 6/16/2013 12:41:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
miyer2u(at)yahoo.com writes:
I have a 2.28 'B' Box and my current prop is a 3 blade 72 Inch IVO.
It has never given me an issues in the last 8 years, Did well on climb and
cruise, but if there something better out there in the market then I will
surely like to try it out!
Mahesh
Check with the Warp factory, but I think you will find the Warp is way
too heavy for a "B" box.
Having said that, I ran a 68" 3 blade Warp with taper tips on my FS II..
I had a "C" box w/ 3.47=1 ratio.
I could out=climb every other FS around. It is the toughest prop there
is.
Shack
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| Subject: | Re: Sport aviation mag..... |
| From: | "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net> |
Thanks I will check it out.....
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Rick Lewis
(VW Watercooled Engine)
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| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Vs Warp Drive - Rotax 503 - FS2 - Advice |
| From: | "Thumper" <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com> |
Mahesh I have run both props in these recomendations. The cruise was faster on
the two blade Warp by 3 or 4mph but the IVO better in take off. the IVO was
definately noticably smoother. On a Mark III or heavy airplane I would definately
use the Warp but for an Ulltralight I prefer the smoother IVO. I have recently
swapped my 3 Blade 60" IVO onto a 503 powered Firestar KXP that had a 64"
Warp tapered tip and that owner really liked the IVO better but could not afford
at at this time. I have it for sale for $350 plus shipping. It is in excellant
shape with all new quick adjust hub 67 hours ago. I kept it when I sold
my Firestar several years ago intending to use it on my next UL but bought
a Mark III instead. I do like the Warp for its durability but liked the IVO
better on the Firestar. Both good props for that airplane. You can contact me
off list if you want it. PS 2.58-1 was the gearbox ratio on mine and the 503
that we just installed it on.
Dennis Long
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Dennis Long
Oakland TN
2000 Aeroprakt A20 Vista Cruiser
Previously Kolb Mark IIIC, 94 Firestar, 84 Ultrastar.
600+hours since 1/1/2009
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | Kolb MKIIIX 06/16/13 |
Hello Kolbers:
I am giving serious thought to selling my MKIIIX project. It has a new Gr
eat Plains Aviation 2180 c.c. VW engine built by Steve. Never been run.
Dual ignition and Valley Engineering re-drive with new wood prop as recomme
nded by GPAS. The wings, flaperons, horizontal stabilizers, elevators, ver
tical stabilizers and rudder are all complete through color coat. (Nevada S
ilver). The cabin area is where I have been working when able to do so re
cently. Have not installed brake system, fuel, system, pitot system and th
ough I have the battery mounted I have not wired the system as of yet. I
do have the plane registered with an "N" number but I am thinking there is
enough work left to be done to say I have done a little over 40%. I assemb
led and rigged the airframe before starting to cover the individual pieces.
Everything needed to complete this project goes with it.
The only exception would be if the future builder made changes to accommoda
te his preferences.
If there is any one seriously interested or if you men that have sold a pro
ject have any recommendations write to me at my BG285P(at)yahoo.com email add
ress.
Bob Green
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| Subject: | Joining the Club |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
Hi All,
Recently I purchased a Kolb MkIII Classic from John Bickham. Many of you have
seen this plane and/or the videos and blogs he has posted. He did a great job
on the plane and when I got in the market for a Kolb, friends pointed me towards
his as one of the best around. He is chest deep in another plane building
project at this time. Although in my younger days I had flown quite a bit and
owned a Stinson 108-2, I had not owned or flown a plane for about 28 years.
When I got the bug again I begin to research the kind of plane I wanted and to
take some lessons in a Citabria and then in a Cub to see if I could still do
it. I settled on the Kolb MKIII and began looking for a good one while getting
some flight time in at the same time. John and I came to an agreement and
he flew the plane down to where I live, here south of Houston.
I had hoped to get some dual in the Kolb or some type of ultralight but finding
anyone to provide that proved to be frustrating. John had given me all the tips
he could and I had spend many hours pouring over the many posts here in the
lists, reading and viewing the videos. John had recommended I get several
hours in just sitting in the Kolb and getting used to the visual and then doing
quite a bit of taxing. I did that over the course of a week or so, gradually
working up to some fairly high speed taxis with the tail up. Last Thursday
I went up in the Cub again and did about 10 landings just to get my confidence
up and then Friday morning I went out to my hanger with the idea that if it felt
good I would go for it. It did and I did. There was no wind and the takeoff
was uneventful. Climbed out at about 55-60 knots, 912 sounding good. Climbed
to 2500' just circling the airfield (no traffic on this little 2000' grass
strip). Settled into cruise to get a good idea of the visual horizon at level
flight. Did some turns and trim adjustments for various speeds and rpm settings.
Worked on decent speeds and practiced leveling out and then went down
to 1000' agl and did some turns around a point. I then returned to the field
and did a practice approach with the idea of simulating the landing at a couple
of hundred feed. That went pretty well so I decided to try one for real.
I flew the last part of the pattern at about 50 knots adjusting my decent rate
with the throttle. About 3400rpm seemed to be giving me the gentle decent I
wanted for this first attempt. Turned final and I could see I was a little high.
I came on down a bit and since I was about half way down the field I throttled
up and climbed out again after getting down to about 10 feet or so. Climbed
back up into the pattern to try again. Same basic approach but pulled the
throttle off and kept the nose down to hold 50knots. As I approached my
touchdown point I eased the nose up and added a bit of throttle, felt the wheels
touch (!
probably
doing about 40knots here) and pushed the nose forward a bit to keep her down and
closed the throttle. Pulled the tail down after we slowed and we were home.
Not a 'KOLB' landing but I felt pretty good anyway. I did a little more flying
that day and over the weekend and now that I have a few hours and several
landings I can say that I enjoy flying this plane more than I have any other.
It seems very forgiving and although I like the Cub it feels very 'loosey goosey'
compared to this MKIII. Ground handling is great and so far (knock on wood)
it has been very forgiving of my ham handed efforts. I will say that I now
know what nervous means. After not soloing anything for almost 30 years and
never flying an ultralight of any kind I was definitely there but the Kolb didn't
let me down. Thanks for all the input I got from you guys that helped make
this (so far) a successful and fun experience.
Thanks,
Allan Garvin
Kolb MKIII N308JB
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| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I know that you will like the plane, it has been to my house and did quite
well, although the guy flying it was a bit nervous. :-) Take the landings
slowly, and let yourself get used to it, and things will be more fun than
you have ever had.
Welcome,
Larry Cottrell
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Larlaeb wrote:
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> Hi All,
> Recently I purchased a Kolb MkIII Classic from John Bickham. Many of you
> have seen this plane and/or the videos and blogs he has posted. He did a
> great job on the plane and when I got in the market for a Kolb, friends
> pointed me towards his as one of the best around. He is chest deep in
> another plane building project at this time. Although in my younger days I
> had flown quite a bit and owned a Stinson 108-2, I had not owned or flown a
> plane for about 28 years. When I got the bug again I begin to research the
> kind of plane I wanted and to take some lessons in a Citabria and then in a
> Cub to see if I could still do it. I settled on the Kolb MKIII and began
> looking for a good one while getting some flight time in at the same time.
> John and I came to an agreement and he flew the plane down to where I
> live, here south of Houston.
>
> I had hoped to get some dual in the Kolb or some type of ultralight but
> finding anyone to provide that proved to be frustrating. John had given me
> all the tips he could and I had spend many hours pouring over the many
> posts here in the lists, reading and viewing the videos. John had
> recommended I get several hours in just sitting in the Kolb and getting
> used to the visual and then doing quite a bit of taxing. I did that over
> the course of a week or so, gradually working up to some fairly high speed
> taxis with the tail up. Last Thursday I went up in the Cub again and did
> about 10 landings just to get my confidence up and then Friday morning I
> went out to my hanger with the idea that if it felt good I would go for it.
> It did and I did. There was no wind and the takeoff was uneventful.
> Climbed out at about 55-60 knots, 912 sounding good. Climbed to 2500'
> just circling the airfield (no traffic on this little 2000' grass strip).
> Settled into cruise to get a good idea of!
> the visual horizon at level flight. Did some turns and trim adjustments
> for various speeds and rpm settings. Worked on decent speeds and practiced
> leveling out and then went down to 1000' agl and did some turns around a
> point. I then returned to the field and did a practice approach with the
> idea of simulating the landing at a couple of hundred feed. That went
> pretty well so I decided to try one for real. I flew the last part of the
> pattern at about 50 knots adjusting my decent rate with the throttle.
> About 3400rpm seemed to be giving me the gentle decent I wanted for this
> first attempt. Turned final and I could see I was a little high. I came
> on down a bit and since I was about half way down the field I throttled up
> and climbed out again after getting down to about 10 feet or so. Climbed
> back up into the pattern to try again. Same basic approach but pulled the
> throttle off and kept the nose down to hold 50knots. As I approached my
> touchdown point I eased th!
> e nose up and added a bit of throttle, felt the wheels touch (!
> probably
>
> doing about 40knots here) and pushed the nose forward a bit to keep her
> down and closed the throttle. Pulled the tail down after we slowed and we
> were home. Not a 'KOLB' landing but I felt pretty good anyway. I did a
> little more flying that day and over the weekend and now that I have a few
> hours and several landings I can say that I enjoy flying this plane more
> than I have any other. It seems very forgiving and although I like the Cub
> it feels very 'loosey goosey' compared to this MKIII. Ground handling is
> great and so far (knock on wood) it has been very forgiving of my ham
> handed efforts. I will say that I now know what nervous means. After not
> soloing anything for almost 30 years and never flying an ultralight of any
> kind I was definitely there but the Kolb didn't let me down. Thanks for
> all the input I got from you guys that helped make this (so far) a
> successful and fun experience.
>
> Thanks,
> Allan Garvin
>
> Kolb MKIII N308JB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402878#402878
>
>
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| From: | Mike Hale <halesbeer(at)gmail.com> |
I didn't send this so be ware
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 17, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Mike Pres wrote:
> How are you?
> http://www.bitangmbh.de/bryhn/pe/z/tjl/tpv/y.html
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> Mike Pres
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| Subject: | Re: IVO Prop Vs Warp Drive - Rotax 503 - FS2 - Advice |
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you all!
Mahesh
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| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
Not my best but a record of an early attempt.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxdXwdWJkFExSlR5UkhGZmJFN2M/edit
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
Kolbers , Hi , has anyone ever done business with these folks?- http://st
ores.shop.ebay.com/ROTAX-RECREATIONAL-ENGINES-LLC in Paridise Mi. thanks Ch
ris=0A=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider pilot=0ADisabled from crash
building Firefly
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| From: | chris davis <capedavis(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
Lar, great video , it just so happens that I hear that song in my head ever
y time I fly!! Thank you for great video , audio compilation Chris=0A=0A=0A
Chris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building
Firefly=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Larlaeb <larla
eb(at)gmail.com>=0A>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 20
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lb-List message posted by: "Larlaeb" =0A>=0A>Not my best
but a record of an early attempt.=0A>=0A>https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
Nice pics but with all the music in the world to choose from why use
that awful row?.
Flying is a gentle, smooth and quiet experience. Some Mozart or Puccini,
a Waltz perhaps. Look what 2001 did with The Blue Danube as the
soundtrack to the approach to the Space Station.
Your soundtrack would be a good backing for a wrestling match.
I can always tune the sound out I suppose
More pictures please
Nit picking Old Git
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
Well, music is always a matter of taste and I certainly appreciate the good classical
selections you propose however I don't agree that flying is 'always' a
gentle and quiet experience and I selected something that I thought might help
convey the nervous anxiety of my first solo in almost 30 years. I promise if
I do more of these I'll be using some more melodious background stuff. :D
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| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I don't think I would worry about it all that much. Use what you would like
and what it means to you. There is no way to please everyone in this crowd.
:-) Like he says there are two buttons on everyone's computer, mute and
delete, one of which should make it tolerable.
I am interested in what you used for a camera and where you mounted it.
Larry
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Larlaeb wrote:
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> Well, music is always a matter of taste and I certainly appreciate the
> good classical selections you propose however I don't agree that flying is
> 'always' a gentle and quiet experience and I selected something that I
> thought might help convey the nervous anxiety of my first solo in almost 30
> years. I promise if I do more of these I'll be using some more melodious
> background stuff. :D
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402982#402982
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
The camera and mount I inherited from John who was experimenting with the best
mount and location. The camera is a Tachyon XC which is fairly old (for this
type of technology) but seems to work well and I know they have newer versions
available with more bells and whistles. The mount is on the upper part of the
windshield which I probably would not have done but from a camera location perspective
is pretty good. There is a wireless remote that can start and stop
the video from inside. He has four bolts through the windshield with foam padding
on both sides of a metal plate and the camera mounts to the plate. A safety
wire passes through the camera latch to hopefully keep the thing out of the
prop on a hard landing. I attached a picture that shows the location. I can
take a closeup and submit it later if you are interested.
Thanks,
Allan
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| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Where are the jury struts on that fine specimen of a Mk3?
Dennis Rowe
Mk 3, N616DR
690L-70, Powerfin
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| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
They may have fallen off on my first few landing attempts.... [Embarassed]
However I don't recall seeing any on a MKIII other than the one owned by John Hauck.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
They may have fallen off on my first few landing
attempts.... [Embarassed] However I don't recall seeing any
on a MKIII other than the one owned by John Hauck.
Kolbers:
In 1991, jury struts were included in the plans for the
MKIII.
Homer Kolb asked me to put jury struts on my MKIII when we
were building it at the factory in Feb 1991. Gave me some
4130 stream lined material to make them. Figured if I put
them on my MKIII that others would follow suit. It didn't
work.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Burns Junction, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Okay, I thought they all had them.y kit was a 91 kit that I bought half built in
97, and completed in 03.
I have the streamlined aluminum struts, wouldn't feel comfortable doing pushovers
without the jury struts.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Jun 19, 2013, at 2:15 PM, "John Hauck" wrote:
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> attempts.... [Embarassed] However I don't recall seeing any
> on a MKIII other than the one owned by John Hauck.
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> Kolbers:
>
> In 1991, jury struts were included in the plans for the
> MKIII.
>
> Homer Kolb asked me to put jury struts on my MKIII when we
> were building it at the factory in Feb 1991. Gave me some
> 4130 stream lined material to make them. Figured if I put
> them on my MKIII that others would follow suit. It didn't
> work.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Rock House, Burns Junction, Oregon
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
On 06/19/2013 04:50 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
> Nice pics but with all the music in the world to choose from why use
> that awful row?.
> Flying is a gentle, smooth and quiet experience. Some Mozart or
> Puccini, a Waltz perhaps. Look what 2001 did with The Blue Danube as
> the soundtrack to the approach to the Space Station.
> Your soundtrack would be a good backing for a wrestling match.
> I can always tune the sound out I suppose
> More pictures please
> Nit picking Old Git
> Pat
>
*So, Pat, if it's got to be classical, what do you think about
Stravinsky? ;-) Ya gotta be careful about dissing another's taste in
music(especially if it's by a good-ole-boy risingfrom Mississippi
roots). Next thing you know, you'll have to defend your choice of
airplanes, too. A lot of the pilots I know won't fly in an experimental,
much less some 'ultralite', but if if I had to fly their planes, I'd
stay home on the couch. I'm pretty sure that the same would apply to
musical tastes.
Charlie
(come on down & visit us at Slobovia Outernational, a 45 minute flight
from Leland)
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
I thought might help convey the nervous anxiety of my first solo in almost
30 years.>>
It certainly did that.
Congrats on your flight
I look forward to more videos optically and aurally
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Joining the Club |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
I promise not to keep doing these until I get something more impressive to look
at but I went out and did a few more landings this morning and made this to address
Pat's concerns (and cause I like it). :)
https://drive.google.com/?tab=mo&authuser=0#my-drive
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| Subject: | Share your Passion 'Dusty Crophopper' |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
With the dwindling numbers of young pilots a concern to all of us, here is a great
new film to inspire young people and generate some interest in aviation.....Share
your Passion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfnWYHO7Id4
Its officially official: Disneys Cars spinoff Planes is getting a theatrical release
after all. Though the film was initially set for a direct-to-DVD release,
hints started surfacing this past summer that Disney was considering releasing
the film theatrically instead, as John Lasseter had grown particularly fond
of the pic. Today, Disney announced that Planes will indeed open in theaters
on August 9, 2013. That puts it opposite Neill Blomkamps sci-fi film Elysium
and the Jennifer Aniston/Jason Sudeikis comedy Were the Millers.
As one can surmise, Planes takes place in Cars terrifying world of anthropomorphic
vehicles and centers on an eclectic international cast of the aerial variety.
The story focuses on Dusty, a small town dreamer who longs to enter the most
epic around-the-world air race despite his fear of heights. Essentially its
a cross between Cars and the atrocious Cars 2, but with planes. The film is
not, however, being produced by Pixar.
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| Subject: | Re: Share your Passion 'Dusty Crophopper' |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I was afraid that something like this would happen when I saw that you had
put a child's seat in your Firestar. :-)
A mostly innocent victim of temptation,
Larry
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Dennis Thate wrote
:
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> With the dwindling numbers of young pilots a concern to all of us, here i
s
> a great new film to inspire young people and generate some interest in
> aviation.....Share your Passion!
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfnWYHO7Id4
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> It=92s officially official: Disney=92s Cars spinoff Planes is getting a
> theatrical release after all. Though the film was initially set for a
> direct-to-DVD release, hints started surfacing this past summer that Disn
ey
> was considering releasing the film theatrically instead, as John Lasseter
> had grown particularly fond of the pic. Today, Disney announced that
> Planes will indeed open in theaters on August 9, 2013. That puts it
> opposite Neill Blomkamp=92s sci-fi film Elysium and the Jennifer
> Aniston/Jason Sudeikis comedy We=92re the Millers.
>
> As one can surmise, Planes takes place in Cars=91 terrifying world of
> anthropomorphic vehicles and centers on an eclectic international cast of
> the aerial variety. The story focuses on Dusty, =93a small town dreamer
who
> longs to enter the most epic around-the-world air race=85 despite his fea
r of
> heights.=94 Essentially it=92s a cross between Cars and the atrocious Ca
rs 2,
> but with planes. The film is not, however, being produced by Pixar.
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> invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| Subject: | Pre-Purchase Inspection, Firestar |
| From: | "Allonsye" <gainsback(at)yahoo.com> |
Greetings to the Collective - new member here.
A little background on me:
57 y/o A&P, Fixed-wing pilot (been out of flying/aviation for the last 10-yrs).
Wanting to get back to flying but on a tight budget. Interested in UL's and Powered
Paragliders.
The Kolbs appear to me to be most like 3-axis general aviation aircraft that I'm
very familiar with so I think it might be the route to go especially since it's
easy to store. I found a deal on a Firestar, 477 Rotax, 90 TT AF & Eng. Built
in '96. Obviously sat for awhile but has been recently flown.
I'm concerned about UL light wing loading. Can I expect to fly it as I would the
Taylorcraft BC12D I used to own? The only differing characteristic I've seen
addressed is the landing flares.
What are the things - airframe & engine I should be particularly attentive to in
inspecting for issues before I decide to close a sale on it?
Thanks,
Paul
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"A good traveller has no fixed plans and is not intent on arriving" Lao
Tzu (570-490 BC)
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection, Firestar |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Greeting Paul, welcome to the group. Since I just did my annual yesterday, I would
suggest checking it over just as you would when you annual it. Pop the exhaust
header and look at the rings and the cylinder walls, stick a dental mirror
in it and look at the underside of the head.
Are the rings free? Do the piston and cylinder walls look good? Is the underside
of the head fairly clean or is it all carboned up? How about the inside of the
exhaust manifold? Is it all caked up? Get a general idea of how it is running.
Drain the gearbox oil. Is it pretty clean or is it pretty nasty with lots of metal
dust on the drain magnet? Mobil 1 keeps it cleaner.
How are the carb boots? Cracked or nice? Does it have an after muffler and silencer
box? Those two items help keep moisture further away from the exhaust ports
and crankcase when the engine cools down after you run it.
The airframe is simple, and what ever you would look for on any classic light fabric
covered aircraft is what you would look for on a Kolb. Cosmetic items and
new Lexan are things that are easily addressed, you are looking for signs of
corrosion and poor workmanship overall.
As far as flying - good control authority, but a lighter experience. Biggest difference
you will notice is flying in the middle of the day, or windy days. Not
that a Taylorcraft would punch through turbulence, but compared to a Kolb, or
any other very light aircraft - yeah, it kind of does. In that respect, the
Kolb is as good as any, and better than most very light aircraft, but it is still
going to fly lighter than the T-craft. Aside from that, you will like the
view a lot better and the handling is good. Plan to enjoy it. In fact, I need
to finish this, I am going flying right now.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Kawasaki 4 cyl fuel injected engine |
| From: | "herbgh" <herbgh(at)juno.com> |
Anyone have a guess or specifics as to the viability of the Kawasaki water craft
engine on a mkIII...? I can get the whole craft for 1250.. It is a 4 cyl ,
fuel injected beast...Somewhere in the 2006 or 7 vintage...Herb
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Rotax 447 RPM Varies |
Problem with Rotax 447 not holding steady RPM.
After climbing to altitude and reducing the RPM to my cruise setting of
5,000, the RPM slowly decreases to about 4,000. I bump the throttle lever
and get it back up to 5,000, and then it continues on up to 5,500 or even to
6,000 RPM. I cannot seem to get it to stay at 5,000 RPM.
I had this problem about a year ago and at that time I tried cleaning the
carb, fuel tank, installed new fuel lines and added fresh fuel (auto regular
with up to 10% ethanol but adding stabil for control of that) to no
avail. The problem eventually went away on it's own. Now it's back. Any ideas?
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection, Firestar |
| From: | "Allonsye" <gainsback(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks for the reply Richard. I'll incorporate your checklist. Not going to see
it for another week or so. We're not too distant from each other. Perhaps a rendezvous
in the future.
P.
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection, Firestar |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Do a weight & Balance to make sure your aft CG Kolb is a safe flying machine.
Many lighter Kolb Pilots need some nose ballast to be safe.
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| Subject: | Re: Kawasaki 4 cyl fuel injected engine |
| From: | Richard Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Engine conversions take considerable effort even if it is well suited for the application.
Don't think that engine has been done before. Heavy is bad.
The string response was worthless.
Rick Neilsen
1st redrive VW on Kolb
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:18 AM, "herbgh" wrote:
>
> Anyone have a guess or specifics as to the viability of the Kawasaki water craft
engine on a mkIII...? I can get the whole craft for 1250.. It is a 4 cyl
, fuel injected beast...Somewhere in the 2006 or 7 vintage...Herb
>
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| Subject: | akron flyin of B-29 |
| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
Got to see it up close and hear those 3350's sing.
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kawasaki 4 cyl fuel injected engine |
rick
I know all the standard stuff about engine conversions...how much
time it takes to make a custom engine install...And the Kolb MkIII out
West used a three cyl variant ...but was not sure of the manufacture
;Yamaha? .
I was more interested in actual , hands on, experience with this
engine(not that many 4 stroke , Kawasaki engines in water craft...maybe
just this one...?) ...Someone who would know its actual wt etc.. or who
had did some preliminary research..
I did the usual search with Google and Yahoo... Of course, I
doubted that anyone was using it on a Kolb...never hurts to ask...unless
someone wants to discuss string theory! :-)
I have to get back to the boat dealer on Monday to get the model
number,,,and so on..
Without going through the hoops; guessing that a full vw with redrive
would max out the MkIII airframe...and naturally I know where to get the
answers to that... :-) Herb
On 06/22/2013 01:26 PM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
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> Engine conversions take considerable effort even if it is well suited for the
application. Don't think that engine has been done before. Heavy is bad.
>
> The string response was worthless.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> 1st redrive VW on Kolb
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:18 AM, "herbgh" wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone have a guess or specifics as to the viability of the Kawasaki water craft
engine on a mkIII...? I can get the whole craft for 1250.. It is a 4 cyl
, fuel injected beast...Somewhere in the 2006 or 7 vintage...Herb
>>
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Spark Plug question |
I've always used NGK BR8ES plugs (solid cap) on both my 503 and 582 engines
.=0A=0AToday a friend showed me NGK BR8EIX (solid cap) plugs which he's jus
t started using. NGK claims that this Iridium fine wire plug causes smoothe
r idling, faster spark resulting in quicker engine starts, and less fouling
. He's used it for about 5 hours in his 582 and says that the claims are ju
stified. The plugs are twice as expensive as the BR8ES, but have a longer
=0Alife. (Just how much longer he didn't know.)=0A=0A=0ADo any of you have
experience with these plugs, and what's your verdict?=0A=0AArty Trost=0ASan
dy, Oregon=0A=0A-=0Awww.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm=0A=0A
=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"=0AHelen Keller=0A=0A=0A"I refuse
to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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| Subject: | Re: Kawasaki 4 cyl fuel injected engine |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
http://www.jetski.com/article.cfm?id=618
Rick
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Herb wrote:
>
> rick
>
> I know all the standard stuff about engine conversions...how much time
> it takes to make a custom engine install...And the Kolb MkIII out West used
> a three cyl variant ...but was not sure of the manufacture ;Yamaha? .
>
> I was more interested in actual , hands on, experience with this
> engine(not that many 4 stroke , Kawasaki engines in water craft...maybe
> just this one...?) ...Someone who would know its actual wt etc.. or who
> had did some preliminary research..
>
> I did the usual search with Google and Yahoo... Of course, I doubted
> that anyone was using it on a Kolb...never hurts to ask...unless someone
> wants to discuss string theory! :-)
>
> I have to get back to the boat dealer on Monday to get the model
> number,,,and so on..
>
> Without going through the hoops; guessing that a full vw with redrive
> would max out the MkIII airframe...and naturally I know where to get the
> answers to that... :-) Herb
>
>
> On 06/22/2013 01:26 PM, Richard Neilsen wrote:
>
>>
>> Engine conversions take considerable effort even if it is well suited for
>> the application. Don't think that engine has been done before. Heavy is bad.
>>
>> The string response was worthless.
>>
>> Rick Neilsen
>> 1st redrive VW on Kolb
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:18 AM, "herbgh" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have a guess or specifics as to the viability of the Kawasaki
>>> water craft engine on a mkIII...? I can get the whole craft for 1250.. It
>>> is a 4 cyl , fuel injected beast...Somewhere in the 2006 or 7 vintage...Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 447 RPM Varies |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
If you have a variable pitch prop, try changing the pitch a bit to load the torque
curve in a different location. I had a 532 that would do that when the load
on the prop was too great.
Might not work, but at least it is a cheap experiment...
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection, Firestar |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
Can I expect to fly it as I would the Taylorcraft BC12D I used to own? ABSOLUTELY
NOT.
The Firestar is a great flying airplane, but because it has a high thrust line,
is very light, has low inertia, and is quite draggy, when you get off the power,
it slows down immediately. You must be ready to get that stick forward to
maintain airspeed when coming off the throttle.
If you want to live to age 58, do yourself a large favor and find a guy to give
you an hour or two of dual instruction in a 2-place Kolb Mark III. Its the best
money you will ever spend.
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Jerry King
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 447 RPM Varies |
| From: | "t41pilot" <t41pilot(at)frontier.com> |
I have a 447 with about 30 hours on it and as undoctor points out, the rpm will
change as the pitch of the aircraft changes with a given throttle setting. Pitch
changes the load on the engine so pitch up equals more load and less indicated
rpm and vice versa. My rpm changes are 200 or 300 rpm in either direction
as pitch changes. not 1000 as you are describing. So, the important thing here
is whether your problem occurs at a constant altitude or not and just around
your cruise setting or across the entire throttle range. If you are maintaining
a steady altitude, then you do have a problem. If it occurs just in the 4
to 5 grand range and nowhere else, then the midrange circuit in the carb needs
looking at. Check for worn needle and that the clip is still fitting snuggly
in the grooves. Make sure the rubber o ring on top of the clip is secure. Make
sure your throttle cable is snug and properly adjusted at the carb inlet. Pulse
line for fuel pump should be as short as possible and stiff as possible.
Pump has to lift fuel quite a ways on a firefly. A partially plugged fuel filter
will cause engine surges too. I've read that paper style fuel filters are
not recommended when using auto gas because of the alcohol. Not sure how true
that is but for a couple of bucks I changed mine out to a different type just
for peace of mind. So far so good on my engine. I'm presently using 89 octane
auto gas. I manage my pitch during flight with a vertical deviation indicator
of my own design that works quite well. I find that I use it alot to help maintain
a constant altitude which also helps maintain a steady EGT temp.
--------
Gregg Kaat
2011 Firefly
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 447 RPM Varies |
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 08:48:59 -0400 (EDT)
>Problem with Rotax 447 not holding steady RPM.
>
>After climbing to altitude and reducing the RPM to my cruise setting of
>5,000, the RPM slowly decreases to about 4,000. I bump the throttle lever
>and get it back up to 5,000, and then it continues on up to 5,500 or even to
>6,000 RPM. I cannot seem to get it to stay at 5,000 RPM.
>
Bill,
I had similar problems with both the 447 and the Victor 1+. The Victor did
better than the 447 at holding a steady rpm but had they both had similar
problems of not holding steady EGT's. It drove me nuts and that is why I
went to an adjustable air/fuel control on the Victor. But not all the
problems went away.
I removed the Bing and looked at the barrel and plunger/needle assembly and
noticed an odd wear mark inside the barrel bore. It looked like the plunger
and needle, return spring, and the control cable assembly were letting the
plunger and needle dance or resonate inside the barrel bore and the main
jet. As an experiment, I found another spring that I could slip inside the
ordinal spring and ran the two springs. Much improvement. I called the
Bing guy and found out that they produce three different strength springs. I
ordered the strongest spring, installed it and all my rpm and EGT variations
disappeared.
I hope this helps.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, Indiana
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| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Most likely a derecho caused this, enhanced by downburst clusters embedded inside
the storm and some of the loudest thunder I've ever heard. Only in Kolb can
you get this perspective on a storms aftermath.
A derecho is a widespread, long-lived, straight-line wind storm that is associated
with a land-based, fast-moving band of severe thunderstorms.
Rainbow Country
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| Subject: | Re: Storm Aftermath |
| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
I really don't want to hear about let alone see photos of too much water. We are
in the middle of a drought here in the New Mexico desert.
Other than that the rainbow was rather nice.
Is drencho a meteorological term? :-)
Don't archive.
Brad Nation
On Jun 23, 2013, at 19:42 , "Dennis Thate" wrote:
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> Most likely a derecho caused this, enhanced by downburst clusters embedded inside
the storm and some of the loudest thunder I've ever heard. Only in Kolb can
you get this perspective on a storms aftermath.
> A derecho is a widespread, long-lived, straight-line wind storm that is associated
with a land-based, fast-moving band of severe thunderstorms.
>
> Rainbow Country
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the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| Subject: | Re: Storm Aftermath |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Hard to please some on this forum......try this,
the the perigee-syzygy moon.
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| Subject: | Re: Storm Aftermath |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Hard to please some on this forum......try this,
the the perigee-syzygy moon, or tonight's 'Super Moon' !
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| From: | "Lee" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net> |
Hey everyone,
I know this subject probably has been beaten to death but here goes anyway.
I have a 503 Rotax with a gearbox and a 60 inch three blade IVO prop. (not
sure of the gear ratio.
This is on a Twinstar MKII.
I have it set to give me 6500 rpm on climb out.
Is there a way to get any more thrust out of this with a prop change or am I
maxed out with what I have ?
I am trying to get off the ground quicker. (it is fine for one person, but
uses a lot of runway with 2)
Also I am still looking at landing gear issues, would the person that made
spring steel gear please contact me and let me know what
size, wall thickness, grade material and hardness he used for his.
thanks for any responses.
Lee,
Twinstar MKII and CGS Hawk Classic
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
A 66 or 68 inch prop might help, if you could change to a C gearbox with the
3.47 to 1 ratio and use a 68 to 72 inch three blade you would get the most p
ossible out of the 503.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Jun 24, 2013, at 8:51 AM, "Lee" wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> I know this subject probably has been beaten to death but here goes anyway
.
> I have a 503 Rotax with a gearbox and a 60 inch three blade IVO prop. (not
sure of the gear ratio.
> This is on a Twinstar MKII.
> I have it set to give me 6500 rpm on climb out.
> Is there a way to get any more thrust out of this with a prop change or am
I maxed out with what I have ?
> I am trying to get off the ground quicker. (it is fine for one person, but
uses a lot of runway with 2)
> Also I am still looking at landing gear issues, would the person that made
spring steel gear please contact me and let me know what
> size, wall thickness, grade material and hardness he used for his.
> thanks for any responses.
> Lee,
> Twinstar MKII and CGS Hawk Classic
>
>
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Typically you get more acceleration and climb as you make the prop longer. With
a 503 and a longer 3 bladed prop - say 64" or 66" - you can get to the point
that you have a lot of acceleration but you are top end limited, in effect you
end up with a pure climb prop. The reason for this is if you try and crank in
enough pitch into a longer 3 blade for a decent cruise speed, the engine will
likely not have enough torque to rev up properly, it will be constantly overloaded.
A 2 blade prop should not normally have this problem. Since the Ivo is
flexible, it will be just as smooth with 2 blades as it is with 3.
Right now I am running a 2 bladed 68" Ivo with a 582 and am very happy with the
performance. Take off is prompt, climb is excellent, and top end is good. The
engine will hit red line at full throttle in level flight and never lugs at any
RPM.
I had to make motor mount spacers to get the engine higher for boom tube clearance.
Before I made the spacers the longest prop I could use was 66". 66" was good,
68" is better. I did have a bit more top end with the 66", but not much,
and since I always cruise around 65 anyway, the 68" is all good.
If I were you, I would sell the 3 blade and get a 66" 2 blade Ivo and try that.
If your engine fails to make enough torque to handle it, you can trim it down
to 65" or even 64" and either way you will see quite an improvement over the
60" prop.
Can't help you on the landing gear.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Looking for a 3.47 to 1 gearbox |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Kolbers,
I am still trying to find a 3.47 to 1 gearbox to adapt to my 2SI engine. If anyone
knows of a fair priced used C or E box please let me know.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
This makes me want to try an old two blade 68 inch Ivo I have laying around. I
currently use a 68 inch three blade Powerfin F model. Always looking for more
performance. I didn't think two blades would absorb 70hp.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:26 AM, "Richard Pike" wrote:
>
> Typically you get more acceleration and climb as you make the prop longer. With
a 503 and a longer 3 bladed prop - say 64" or 66" - you can get to the point
that you have a lot of acceleration but you are top end limited, in effect you
end up with a pure climb prop. The reason for this is if you try and crank
in enough pitch into a longer 3 blade for a decent cruise speed, the engine will
likely not have enough torque to rev up properly, it will be constantly overloaded.
A 2 blade prop should not normally have this problem. Since the Ivo
is flexible, it will be just as smooth with 2 blades as it is with 3.
>
> Right now I am running a 2 bladed 68" Ivo with a 582 and am very happy with the
performance. Take off is prompt, climb is excellent, and top end is good. The
engine will hit red line at full throttle in level flight and never lugs at
any RPM.
>
> I had to make motor mount spacers to get the engine higher for boom tube clearance.
Before I made the spacers the longest prop I could use was 66". 66" was
good, 68" is better. I did have a bit more top end with the 66", but not much,
and since I always cruise around 65 anyway, the 68" is all good.
>
> If I were you, I would sell the 3 blade and get a 66" 2 blade Ivo and try that.
If your engine fails to make enough torque to handle it, you can trim it down
to 65" or even 64" and either way you will see quite an improvement over the
60" prop.
>
> Can't help you on the landing gear.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Mike's Kolb MkIII |
Mike
Wondering how your Kolb is coming along...Herb
On 06/24/2013 08:47 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> Here's a start
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Also I am still looking at landing gear issues, would the
person that made spring steel gear please contact me and let
me know what
size, wall thickness, grade material and hardness he used
for his.
thanks for any responses.
Lee,
Twinstar MKII and CGS Hawk Classic
Lee/Kolbers:
I use .120" wall 4130, heat treated to 48 Rockwell. I don't
know what the diameter of the gear leg sockets of a MKII
are. Probably 1.125".
Good idea to weld the axle socket to the gear leg, rather
than use the standard "gear leg/axle socket" that bolts to
the end of the gear leg. Welding, for me, proved to be much
stronger than the bolt on socket.
All alignment and drilling should be done prior to heat
treating.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, south of Burns Junction, Oregon
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mike's Kolb MkIII |
Hi Herb,
The plane is coming along quite well, its mostly me that's the hangup.
Since I retired a few years ago, finances have been slim pickings,
and the other problem I'm having is a health issue that I am mostly
recovering from.
My wife an I are making plans right now to move to Florida to a
retirement village, where I will go back to work and have some pocket
money,
and therefore I should be able to afford the flight training and sundry
costs of actually flying the plane.
As far as the plane goes, it virtually finished, with the exception of
firing up the engine and dialing everything in. In the meantime, for
the last few months
I've been working on my GlaStar. Since I have all the parts on-hand, it
doesn't cost me anything to tinker with it and get it closer to being
done, too.
Sure is hard to get much done in this sweltering humidity. Don't mind
the heat, but god does the humidity get me down!!
Here is my plane out on my front lawn. Underneath the wing gap cover
is my ballistic parachute. If you look closely, you can see my video
game modified
joystick, complete with the push-to-talk com radio button and the coolie
hat for electric trim. I left the doors off. Kinda seems dumb to have
doors on with this heat.
Best regards, Herb=85.and thank for asking!!
Mike Welch
Kolb MkIII CX w/ tubo Suzuki
Now=85..got to go out and mow that lawn!!!
On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Herb wrote:
>
> Mike
>
> Wondering how your Kolb is coming along...Herb
>
>
> On 06/24/2013 08:47 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
>>
>> Dennis,
>>
>> Here's a start=85=85
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
Lee
=C2-
I think I had a 68" 3 blade IVO on my MKII with a 503.=C2- Below is a lin
k to a video showing takeoff performance.
=C2-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkNU2UcADw
Malcolm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:51:56 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: thrust
Hey everyone,
I know this subject probably has been beaten to death but here goes anyway.
I have a 503 Rotax with a gearbox and a 60 inch three blade IVO prop. (not
sure of the gear ratio.
This is on a Twinstar MKII.
I have it set to give me 6500 rpm on climb out.
Is there a way to get any more thrust out of this with a prop change or am
I maxed out with what I have ?
I am trying to get off the ground quicker. (it is fine for one person, but
uses a lot of runway with 2)
Also I am still looking at landing gear issues, would the person that made
spring steel gear please contact me and let me know what
size, wall thickness, grade material and hardness he used for his.
thanks for any responses.
Lee,
======================
==
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mike's Kolb MkIII |
Absolutely beautiful job..!! Mike
Its begging to be flown...
Humidity? Florida?? :-) Good luck...Herb
On 06/24/2013 11:23 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
> Hi Herb,
>
> The plane is coming along quite well, its mostly me that's the hangup. Since
I retired a few years ago, finances have been slim pickings,
> and the other problem I'm having is a health issue that I am mostly recovering
from.
>
> My wife an I are making plans right now to move to Florida to a retirement
village, where I will go back to work and have some pocket money,
> and therefore I should be able to afford the flight training and sundry costs
of actually flying the plane.
>
> As far as the plane goes, it virtually finished, with the exception of firing
up the engine and dialing everything in. In the meantime, for the last few
months
> I've been working on my GlaStar. Since I have all the parts on-hand, it doesn't
cost me anything to tinker with it and get it closer to being done, too.
>
> Sure is hard to get much done in this sweltering humidity. Don't mind the
heat, but god does the humidity get me down!!
>
> Here is my plane out on my front lawn. Underneath the wing gap cover is my
ballistic parachute. If you look closely, you can see my video game modified
> joystick, complete with the push-to-talk com radio button and the coolie hat
for electric trim. I left the doors off. Kinda seems dumb to have doors on with
this heat.
>
> Best regards, Herb.and thank for asking!!
>
> Mike Welch
> Kolb MkIII CX w/ tubo Suzuki
>
> Now..got to go out and mow that lawn!!!
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Herb wrote:
>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Wondering how your Kolb is coming along...Herb
>>
>>
>> On 06/24/2013 08:47 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
>>>
>>> Dennis,
>>>
>>> Here's a start
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mike's Kolb MkIII |
How about a pic or two of the engine install...I bought and resold a 4
cyl Geo engine with the high dollar Canadian ign and injection
system..Had a belt redrive from a guy out in the mid west...Now out of
business.. The engine will run ok with default settings if the same
system...Herb
On 06/24/2013 11:23 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
> Hi Herb,
>
> The plane is coming along quite well, its mostly me that's the hangup. Since
I retired a few years ago, finances have been slim pickings,
> and the other problem I'm having is a health issue that I am mostly recovering
from.
>
> My wife an I are making plans right now to move to Florida to a retirement
village, where I will go back to work and have some pocket money,
> and therefore I should be able to afford the flight training and sundry costs
of actually flying the plane.
>
> As far as the plane goes, it virtually finished, with the exception of firing
up the engine and dialing everything in. In the meantime, for the last few
months
> I've been working on my GlaStar. Since I have all the parts on-hand, it doesn't
cost me anything to tinker with it and get it closer to being done, too.
>
> Sure is hard to get much done in this sweltering humidity. Don't mind the
heat, but god does the humidity get me down!!
>
> Here is my plane out on my front lawn. Underneath the wing gap cover is my
ballistic parachute. If you look closely, you can see my video game modified
> joystick, complete with the push-to-talk com radio button and the coolie hat
for electric trim. I left the doors off. Kinda seems dumb to have doors on with
this heat.
>
> Best regards, Herb.and thank for asking!!
>
> Mike Welch
> Kolb MkIII CX w/ tubo Suzuki
>
> Now..got to go out and mow that lawn!!!
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Herb wrote:
>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Wondering how your Kolb is coming along...Herb
>>
>>
>> On 06/24/2013 08:47 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
>>>
>>> Dennis,
>>>
>>> Here's a start
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection, Firestar |
| From: | "Allonsye" <gainsback(at)yahoo.com> |
Excellent feed back folks - I appreciate it. W&B yes, yes, yes. Some dual -absolutely.
Which begs the question, deadstick, this must be a handful. I'm thinking
that a ballistic parachute is an absolute necessity. My impression is that
of a helicopter - collective down, stick forward, maintain rotor rpm till just
above the ground.
P.
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| Subject: | Re: Mike's Kolb MkIII |
| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
Nice looking Plane.
Sent from my iPad
Brad
On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:23, Mike Welch wrote:
> Hi Herb,
>
> The plane is coming along quite well, its mostly me that's the hangup. Since
I retired a few years ago, finances have been slim pickings,
> and the other problem I'm having is a health issue that I am mostly recovering
from.
>
> My wife an I are making plans right now to move to Florida to a retirement village,
where I will go back to work and have some pocket money,
> and therefore I should be able to afford the flight training and sundry costs
of actually flying the plane.
>
> As far as the plane goes, it virtually finished, with the exception of firing
up the engine and dialing everything in. In the meantime, for the last few
months
> I've been working on my GlaStar. Since I have all the parts on-hand, it doesn't
cost me anything to tinker with it and get it closer to being done, too.
>
> Sure is hard to get much done in this sweltering humidity. Don't mind the heat,
but god does the humidity get me down!!
>
> Here is my plane out on my front lawn. Underneath the wing gap cover is my
ballistic parachute. If you look closely, you can see my video game modified
> joystick, complete with the push-to-talk com radio button and the coolie hat
for electric trim. I left the doors off. Kinda seems dumb to have doors on with
this heat.
>
> Best regards, Herb.and thank for asking!!
>
> Mike Welch
> Kolb MkIII CX w/ tubo Suzuki
>
> Now..got to go out and mow that lawn!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Herb wrote:
>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Wondering how your Kolb is coming along...Herb
>>
>>
>> On 06/24/2013 08:47 AM, Mike Welch wrote:
>>>
>>> Dennis,
>>>
>>> Here's a start
>
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| Subject: | Re: Storm Aftermath |
| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
I guess I was too subtle or my sense of humor is a little off.
Sent from my iPad
Brad
On Jun 23, 2013, at 22:30, "Dennis Thate" wrote:
>
> Hard to please some on this forum......try this,
> the the perigee-syzygy moon, or tonight's 'Super Moon' !
>
> --------
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mike's Kolb MkIII |
| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Herb,
I'll take a few pictures tomorrow.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 447 RPM Varies |
| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
Unless the composition of paper filters has changed recently their main difference
from screen filters is that they will not pass water. Up side - no water in
carb, down side- no fuel in carb , and we all know about Ethanol and water.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II stall speed... |
| From: | "Allonsye" <gainsback(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks very much for posting this topic AZ. As an aspiring Kolb pilot, I found
the discourse exceedingly helpful.
Cheers and eternal tailwinds,
Paul
Arizona Flyer wrote:
> Thanks so much guys I really appreciate the input! t41pilot & wakataka; We are
flying in a parallel universe with the exact same experiences. My Firestar II
is 419lbs and it's pretty loaded with a Rotax 503DC, electric start, EIS, ASI
with dual pitot tubes, fuel gauge, Facet aux fuel pump, 3 blade Ivoprop. Being
only 148 lbs I really expected a 30mph stall speed. During my short flight
with my light weigh I had to turn the trim knob all the way for level flight.
Looking back, and not having flown for 11 years, even with my long experience
flying these types (Quicksilver Sprint II, Quicksilver Sport, Buccaneer SX amphibian,
Rans S-12, Avid Flyer Mark IV, Rans S-7) I should have taken the Firestar
to a longer airstrip. zeprep251(at)aol.com; Yes my first flight was a little
scary and a few hundred feet up, the desert airstrip I made on my property
that seemed plenty long on the ground @530ft well it sure got small looking down
from above but I had planned to practice some landings at a slightly longer
airstrip just south of my place where I had graded a runway for RC model airplanes,
it is about 600ft and more open. That stall drop & 2 bounces on my first
landing rattled me a bit and I drifted left off the runway but not much, and
it took almost all of the length to stop. 'Get right back on that horse' I took
off again and my 2nd landing was good but I still drifted left. I may have
started braking at too high a speed but the runway end was coming up fast. Years
ago I was very good at tracking my Buccaneer SX, Avid Flyer, and Rans S-7
tail draggers but I remember I took some practice and I was a little surprised
at how rusty I was with the Firestar. On the 3rd landing I did pretty well, the
4th landing was perfect. I was exhausted from the last 6 weeks of getting all
this work done, and nervous before my 1st flight, so after the 4th landing
as I sat there with the engine running I figured I could probably get it into
my strip but SAFETY FIRST, don't push it especially when tired so I parked the
nose unde!
r a tree
and tied it down. All this week I have been working on extending my runway and
I am up from 530ft to 800ft now. Also I think I'll put on VG's from StolSpeed
as a poster here said they brought his Firestar II stall speed down 5mph, from
35mph down to 30mph and says it handles better at slower speeds and also feels
safer. Not that the Firestar is unsafe in any way but it would help with a
shorter strip and add some piece of mind. That abrupt stall drop still haunts
me but I know after a couple more flights and landings I'll be smiling ear to
ear :) For what it's worth, my yellow Firestar II was built in 1999 by Gary Aman
and I bought it last month from 'Captain' Ron Larson of Port Charlotte Florida.
A very good mechanic nicknamed 'Rotax Rick' did a rebuild on the 503 and
has greatly helped me with questions & info. The airplane is in good condition
and Ron only wanted $7,800 so I bought it. Rotax Rick, Travis & Brian at Kolb
have said I got a very good deal at that price. It did cost me $3,075 to have
Bill Wilmeroth at Deland Barnstormers transport it from Florida to Arizona and
he did a great job. So happy with my purchase. Thanks again for the great input
guys :)
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Tzu (570-490 BC)
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection, Firestar |
At 09:34 PM 6/24/2013, Allonsye wrote:
>
>Excellent feed back folks - I appreciate it. W&B yes, yes, yes. Some dual
>-absolutely. Which begs the question, deadstick, this must be a handful.
>I'm thinking that a ballistic parachute is an absolute necessity. My
>impression is that of a helicopter - collective down, stick forward,
>maintain rotor rpm till just above the ground.
Not at all. Kolbs glide pretty well, though they're certainly not
sailplanes. What you lose in glide ratio you get back in the ability to
use a small field. A BRS is for structural failure, NOT for an engine
failure!
In the event of an engine failure, you need to get the nose down NOW to
maintain flying speed, because the plane is so light (and counteract the
pitching tendency when that high mounted engine stops pushing), but then
you're fine.
Dual is good, in at least something similar. It was some 15 years since I
last flew my Taylorcraft (or any other plane), a few hours in a 2-place
Quicksilver with a friend, and I felt ready to fly my Ultrastar. Except
for the landing speed and the need to flare at six inches, not six feet, a
Kolb flies more like a T-Craft than a Quicksilver.
Dana
--
Space isn't remote at all. It's only an hours drive away if your car could
go straight upwards.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II stall speed... |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Success was not made possible by four leaf clovers or rabbits feet.
Practice!...Practice! ... Practice!
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
gliderx5 wrote:
> Lee
>
> I think I had a 68" 3 blade IVO on my MKII with a 503. Below is a link to a
video showing takeoff performance.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkNU2UcADw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkNU2UcADw)
>
> Malcolm
>
>
Nice video. It is certainly possible to run a 3 blade 68" Ivo on a 503, my only
question would be - what was your cruise speed, and what rpm were you turning
at that speed? In order to get the 503 to turn 6500 rpm, you will need to take
out a lot of pitch, and then then your cruise speed goes to pot.
Back when I had a 532 on the MKIII, I started out with a 64" 3 blade Ivo. Given
that the 532 did not have as flat a torque curve as the 503, still, in order
to make the engine run properly, I had to run it with the prop in fairly flat
pitch and it had a great takeoff and climb, but at cruise it was turning 5800-6000
rpm with poor airspeed. Around 62 if I remember right. Took away one blade,
repitched the prop, and the cruise rpm became sane, cruise speed went up, and
it kept it's good takeoff and climb behavior.
With the 582 and a 68" 2 blade, cruise speed is 65-70 at around 5500 rpm and 4
gph. Takeoff is typical Kolb - great.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II stall speed... |
| From: | "Arizona Flyer" <heracesthesun(at)yahoo.com> |
Allonsye; Glad this topic helped you my friend. Anything that comes to your mind
please ask and I will do my best to help...
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"Life should be lived as a bold adventure, I refuse to tiptoe through life
just to arrive safely at death"
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection, Firestar |
. I'm thinking that a ballistic parachute is an absolute necessity>>
No it isn`t. Its nice if a wing falls off but unless you fly over some
totally unlandable territory an ultralight has so little inertia and
flying speed is so low that you can usually find a usable spot. if it is
just an engine out just fly the plane to the ground.You are in control.
You are not once you have pulled the chute
Cheers
Pat.
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Richard, do you have the light or medium Ivo blades?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Jun 25, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "Richard Pike" wrote:
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> gliderx5 wrote:
>> Lee
>>
>> I think I had a 68" 3 blade IVO on my MKII with a 503. Below is a link to a
video showing takeoff performance.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkNU2UcADw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkNU2UcADw)
>>
>> Malcolm
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>
> Nice video. It is certainly possible to run a 3 blade 68" Ivo on a 503, my only
question would be - what was your cruise speed, and what rpm were you turning
at that speed? In order to get the 503 to turn 6500 rpm, you will need to
take out a lot of pitch, and then then your cruise speed goes to pot.
>
> Back when I had a 532 on the MKIII, I started out with a 64" 3 blade Ivo. Given
that the 532 did not have as flat a torque curve as the 503, still, in order
to make the engine run properly, I had to run it with the prop in fairly flat
pitch and it had a great takeoff and climb, but at cruise it was turning 5800-6000
rpm with poor airspeed. Around 62 if I remember right. Took away one blade,
repitched the prop, and the cruise rpm became sane, cruise speed went up,
and it kept it's good takeoff and climb behavior.
>
> With the 582 and a 68" 2 blade, cruise speed is 65-70 at around 5500 rpm and
4 gph. Takeoff is typical Kolb - great.
>
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> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection, Firstar |
And then there is the question of will you use it? You're in
an emergency situation where things have gone to junk as a
result of your action or inaction and now according to the
BRS theory you will do something you have never practiced,
cannot preflight for, and do not know the outcome of should
you do it.
Rick Girard
Rick G/Kolbers:
Yes, I would use my BRS if the need arises.
I practice and have engrained into my mind what to do should
the need arise.
I also preflight the system, ensuring the safety pin is
removed and the bridals are in good shape.
I have faith in the system.
Quite a few folks have died because they never thought of
their parachute before they hit the ground. When something
catastrophic happens, one must react instantly in most
cases. A split second may make the difference between
success and failure, life and death.
Some situations the parachute probably will not save you,
such as the recent crash Rick G mentioned. No matter, if I
wasn't flying, I would not hesitate to pop the chute.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon - Two time member of the Caterpillar
Club.
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection, Firstar |
John h
And just what is this Caterpillar Club?
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 6/25/2013 3:23:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon - Two time member of the Caterpillar
Club.
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection, Firstar |
http://www.merkki.com/caterpillarclub.htm
Bill:
The above URL will explain the Caterpillar Club.
Membership is free. ;-)
And just what is this Caterpillar Club?
Bill Varnes
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| Subject: | Re: Caterpillar Club |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Vintage Parachute of WWII
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II stall speed... |
| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
Below is a link to a video shot from an original Firestar. The last minute or so
shows a deadstick landing from base leg at about 500 feet agl. The glide angle
is not extreme. In fact, I can't tell much difference between glide angle at
idle and deadstick. I think what trips up a lot of pilots transitioning to
ultralights is the ground rush during the last few feet of the descent. If you're
not used to the wide visibility and the low to the ground seating position,
it feels like the earth is rising up to smite thee and the temptation is to
round out too soon. Without the engine to provide a burst of power, that can result
in dropping it in from several feet up. The trick is to fly it right down
the ground before beginning to roundout and flare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uOCAwEj8VQ
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There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of
conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Caterpillar Club |
Never heard of Switlick. I was under the impression that Irvin Co. was
the starter of the Caterpillar Club and in fact it had to be an Irvin
chute involved.
I see that both Switlick and Irvin claim the honour.
I have only known one member of the club. He was a guy from whom I
bought an Olympia 2 glider back in 1965.
He was a top class gliding competitor and while thermalling a glider
below him surged up and stuck its wing up through the floor of his
glider and out through the canopy and then broke off.
He took to his chute and it is rumoured that he could be heard over 3
counties cussing the other competitor all the way down until he landed.
The other glider landed hard in a wood but the pilot got away with it..
Incidentally about a week ago a light a/c at a local field had trouble
and tried to get into a school playing field. He couldn`t make it but he
had a chute fitted to the plane which he pulled. The whole plane
descended into a couple of back gardens and the pilot was OK.
I think this is the first time this has happened in the UK.
Pat
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| From: | "Ted Cowan" <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
A friend has a titan tornado and put a used 912 ul on it. Runs great except
for egts. firstly; was pitched to take off at
5800 rpm. Was okay but when backed off to 5000, egts climbed. One side
real high, to 1550 plus I guess. Has
black exhaust. Pulled plugs and left bank had black plugs while right had
nice brown to white. Set up carb okay, with
vaccum system. Engine was in tractor configuration now in pusher. Could
the needles or jets be different for tractor:
Ted Cowan. slingshot, 912 zoom zoom.
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| From: | "Lee" <lmorgan100(at)charter.net> |
Thanks everyone for the responses to the prop thrust question.
It looks like I am in the market for a used 66 to 68 inch IVO prop.
keep in mind funds are low, but if anyone has one for around $200. I am
interested.
thanks,
Lee
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| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
Ted,
Might check the diaphragms.JBM has replacements if you find a leak. It sho
uldn't care if it pushes or pulls.It may have been out of whack before he g
ot the engine.
G.Aman
-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Cowan <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2013 5:57 am
Subject: Kolb-List: 912
A friend has a titan tornado and put a used 912 ul on it. Runs great excep
t
for egts. firstly; was pitched to take off at
5800 rpm. Was okay but when backed off to 5000, egts climbed. One side
real high, to 1550 plus I guess. Has
black exhaust. Pulled plugs and left bank had black plugs while right had
nice brown to white. Set up carb okay, with
vaccum system. Engine was in tractor configuration now in pusher. Could
the needles or jets be different for tractor:
Ted Cowan. slingshot, 912 zoom zoom.
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
[quote="rowedenny"]Richard, do you have the light or medium Ivo blades?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
[quote]
Just the light ones.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 06/25/13 |
Gliderx5 and Bro Pike:
I enjoyed the video of the takeoff and landing performance. A question: Is that
lexan you have for the door? I noriced it seems to be flexible but very functional.
Thanks for any response.
Bob Green
MKIIIX N830PB
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
This thread has me excited to try a 68 inch two blade Ivo I got from a friend several
years ago and never thought it would be enough blade to absorb my 70hp.
If it works, I'll buy a two blade hub for my Powerfin and give that a try.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Jun 26, 2013, at 9:07 AM, "Richard Pike" wrote:
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> [quote="rowedenny"]Richard, do you have the light or medium Ivo blades?
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> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Fuel pump replacement - 912 |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Just received a service bulletin from Rotax about replacement fuel pumps on the
912uls engine. When I printed it out, I learned that mechanical fuel pumps are
considered to have a five year life. Oops... probably should have noticed that!
Mine is a bit older.
This is a Pierburg (sp?) and I was under the impression it was bullet proof.
Am I the only one who has not been paying attention? Has everyone else with a 912
been replacing them at 5 years?
Gulp!
Dave W.
Mk III classic
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel pump replacement - 912 |
Am I the only one who has not been paying attention? Has
everyone else with a 912 been replacing them at 5 years?
Gulp!
Dave W.
Dave W/Kolbers:
Did not know about the 5 year life of the Pierberg fuel
pump. However, last year my old Pierberg developed an oil
leak and I replaced it with the new recommended pump.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump replacement - 912 |
| From: | "Watkinsdw" <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Spoke to Lockwood today. The Svc Bulletin starts out with the statement that all
mechanical fuel pumps have a five year life span, then should be replaced.
Then it goes on to describe a problem with Bing pumps.
The manual says all rubber hoses should be replaced every five years, and if the
fuel lines are integrated with the pump, it should be replaced too.
Lockwood said if its an Experimental, the owner/operator makes the call
"on condition," which I take to mean, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
He went on to say Pierberg pumps are tough tough little muthas and he's seen them
do fine well after ten years of service.
Never mind! Annual is finished, biannual flight review done, plan to go flying
this weekend if the weather cooperates!
Don't worry, be happy!
Dave Watkins
Mk III C
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| Subject: | A.N.U.G. in David City NE this weekend. |
| From: | Duane Ransdell <radiobluebook(at)gmail.com> |
I know this is pretty late posting, but if you are in or around Nebraska
this weekend, it's the 14th Annual Nebraska Ultralight Gathering in David
City. There is nothing much planned except a bunch of flying and then some
more flying with a little bit of additional flying. Oh yeah, and lots of
hangar talk and BSing. In the past others have put a lot of time and effort
into this event, but the last couple of years everyone has decided to pare
it back to what really makes these events fun; Flying!
There is a website http://www.anug.org
Here's the official announcement
Good place to be this week end, is the David City Airport attending the
14th annual =93=94ANUG=94=94
Fly-in event. where you can meet other flying enthusiast and swap lies, BS,
etc. What events
are planned ???, none, just come and have fun together.
Those that fly in or show up tomorrow night Friday, June 28th will get to
eat free Pizza.
Camping is available at the airport, and auto gas is also available at the
airport
The weather is going to be clear and sunny , and rather cool Friday-Saturda
y
and Sunday, with top temperature around
80%, with light NW winds during the early mornings and evening hours,
but Gusting
up to 16 to 19 during the midday hours.
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| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
If anybody needs an Ivo prop spacer, let me know, I've got one.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
Here's a video of the Wells MN fly-in yesterday:
http://youtu.be/yl3owqCknmA
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000+ hours
26 years flying it
Kolbra 912ULS
N20386
200 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Wells fly-in |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Yup ...that was me turning final as you departed. I had to carry along extra fuel
for this one. Great little Fly-In and with real eggs!
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the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| Subject: | Alan's new MK III |
| From: | "Jimmy Young" <jdy100(at)comcast.net> |
Here is an in-flight photo of Alan G.'s new MK III I took this past Saturday. He
is doing a good job of familiarizing himself with flying his new Kolb adventure
machine he recently bought from John B.. It is a well built Kolb that Alan
is very proud of owning. I was chasing in my Zenith 750 and had to run 80 mph
+ to keep up with him.
We had a record temp. that day of 107 in Houston. The air was very dry for our
area, the only way we ever see those kinds of temps. It was some nice flying weather
once you got up a little to cool off.
Jimmy Y
Houston TX
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Missouri City, TX
Kolb FS II/HKS 700
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| Subject: | Re: Wells fly-in |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I'm always surprised how much attention my Kolb Firestar generates at a Fly-In.
They parked me in the front row . Experimental and Pushers are not that common
around here.
Looking back, it was a good time !
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| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
I rotated the shaft from a previous bend, but once you bend aluminum metal fatigue
will lead to breakage. I was slowly taxing straight ahead when this snapped.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 07/03/13 |
| From: | Tim Bjork <tdbjork(at)gmail.com> |
Just a quick note to to say I'm selling my Kolb Firestar 11, It's a GREAT
Airplane but it's time for me to try something different. All the info on
it ( N2552A ) is on Barnstormers. I want to thank all for all the great
tips and information since I started the build. The Kolb company is a the
best people to work with, they have always been there when I need anything.
I'm staying on the list because I just can't cut all the ties.
Fly Safe... Tim
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> From: "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com>
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> I rotated the shaft from a previous bend, but once you bend aluminum metal
> fatigue
> will lead to breakage. I was slowly taxing straight ahead when this
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| Subject: | Difference between mark II and mark III |
| From: | "mike91911" <ko1m.mike(at)gmail.com> |
Is there a way to tell the difference between a Mk II and a Mk III just by looking?
I'm looking at a plane that is listed as a Mk III. It was originally used
as an ultralight trainer and wasn't N numbered until 2003. The current owner
knows the history of the plane but because it was an estate sale records are
missing prior to 2003. I don't mind which model it I and I'm going through the
entire plane.
Mike
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Difference between mark II and mark III |
Is there a way to tell the difference between a Mk II and a
Mk III just by looking? I'm looking at a plane that is
listed as a Mk III. It was originally used as an ultralight
trainer and wasn't N numbered until 2003. The current owner
knows the history of the plane but because it was an estate
sale records are missing prior to 2003. I don't mind which
model it I and I'm going through the entire plane.
Mike
Kolbers:
There is a great deal of difference between a MKII and a
MKIII:
-MKIII has 6" tail boom and main wing spars. MKII has 5".
-MKIII airframe completely different and much, much
stronger.
-MKIII has flaps. MKII doesn't.
-MKIII has unique updated folding elevator control
mechanism. MKII doesn't.
-Much more room in the MKIII.
-MKIII and MKII are not in the same ball park.
Of course, the above comments are my own opinion.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Difference between mark II and mark III |
| From: | "mike91911" <ko1m.mike(at)gmail.com> |
Well this definitely has flaps. Thanks its exactly the type of information I was
looking for. Are the specs for early Mk III's similar to current models? Gross
weight, cruise speed, Vne etc?
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Difference between mark II and mark III |
On Behalf Of mike91911
Are the specs for early Mk III's similar to current
models? Gross weight, cruise speed, Vne etc?
Kolbers:
Specs for MKIII Classic's should be the same throughout the
build years.
You can find info on all Kolb models here:
http://www.kolbaircraft.com/
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
List
Can someone tell me which Garmin GPS works best in a Kolb?
Also what VHF radio? I'd appreciate your answers
Thanx
Russ K
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 447 RPM Varies |
Ducati SS
Thanks for your input regarding my problem with the RPM not staying in
place. If the rain and nasty hot and humid weather ever clears away, I might
get a chance to experiment with the suggestions you all gave. When and if
I find the cure I will let the list know the results.
Thanks again,
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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| From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Russ ,=0AIam really happy with my Area 500. A little pricy but works great.
=0A-I believe that any of the hand helds will work pretty good as long as
you get a GOOD antena , coax=0Aand conectors. I use a Vertex .=0A-Good l
uck and worth what you paid for it.=0AFrank Goodnight=0A=0A________________
________________=0A From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@ma
tronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, July 6, 2013 8:50 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: q
=0A=0AList=0ACan someone tell me which Garmin GPS works best in a Kolb?=0AA
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Can someone tell me which Garmin GPS works best in a Kolb?
Also what VHF radio? I'd appreciate your answers Thanx Russ
K
Russ K/Kolbers:
Don't know what the best GPS and VHF radio is for a Kolb,
but I have flown all over the lower 48, Canada, and Alaska,
with an ICOM A6 and a Garmin 196. Both have worked
flawlessly in my MKIII.
The ICOM A6 is the latest ICOM handheld. The Garmin 196 is
an older model, but is still being supported 100%. Don't
have any idea how long Garmin will support the 196. I think
the length of service of this GPS is indicative of how well
it is designed and how well it operates.
The 196 has all the Jeppesen data base, plus obstacle
warnings.
For comparison, the Garmin 296, which was introduced some
time after the 196, was discontinued 4 or 5 years ago.
john h
mkIII
Rock House, Oregon
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| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
I've used a 196 to fly cross-country many times... it's quite up to the
task, but getting long in the tooth.
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:50 AM, kinne russ wrote:
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> List
> Can someone tell me which Garmin GPS works best in a Kolb?
> Also what VHF radio? I'd appreciate your answers
> Thanx
> Russ K
>
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| Subject: | Two blade Powerfin hub, F model |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Does anybody have a used Powerfin F model two blade hub they want to sell?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
I saw a nice app for the Droid Nexus 7 at a flyin a few weeks past...
Avare.....Herb
http://www.appszoom.com/android_applications/transportation/avare_cuhtu.html
On 07/06/2013 01:44 PM, Robert Laird wrote:
> I've used a 196 to fly cross-country many times... it's quite up to
> the task, but getting long in the tooth.
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/06/13 |
> which Garmin GPS works best in a Kolb?
I dunno- but whatever you get make sure you can still get data updates.
I want a 'solution' that I can use for car navigation, displaying charts etc
for my sailboat and a good aviation app for my Kolb. I haven't been
seriously looking but it may end up being an iPad or something like that.
GeoB
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| Subject: | Re: Difference between mark II and mark III |
| From: | "mike91911" <ko1m.mike(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you everyone for all of the help. Being new to Kolb aircraft any suggestions
as to things I should look for or change? (for safety, comfort or aesthetics)
It has a 503. I'd like to replace that with a 582 but I'll have to see how
the funds are. It has a single center stick and throttle. I'd really like to
convert this to dual sticks. It has an ELT, chute, 2 five gallon fuel tanks, sling
seats (replace?), brakes and doors. Avionics are basic steam gauges.
My training will be done in a Challenger II and we have 2 other Kolbs flying in
the club so I should have the opportunity for help transitioning into the Kolb.
My instructor can also do a tail wheel endorsement.
Mike
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| Subject: | Rotax 582/ Firestar |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
This is the first Firestar II with a Rotax 582 that I've seen. Anyone on this forum
using this engine application...if so, we would like your feedback on how
the weight/HP trade-off has worked out.
Thanks
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the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582/ Firestar |
| From: | "Eugene Zimmerman" <etzimm(at)gmail.com> |
If mounted correctly the 582 will not add any significant extra weight and should
provide at least 10 or more HP than the 503.
I believe the Firestar pictured has some structural enhancement modification to
the cage to cover the stress of the extra HP.
On my Firestar I have had a 582 for over 300 hours, and now have 618 for more
than 650 Hrs all without any structural enhancement to the original cage frame.
I believe you'll like how the extra HP will make your plane fly like a whole nother
bird.
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| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Fwd: BRS for Xtra |
I'm going to add a BRS to recently acquired Xtra, but I'm not sure which one of
the two recommended by the BRS rep to go with. The two sizes are the 1050 and
1350. The l350 is about $1000 more but it will be slower decent. The 1050 is
the recommended size on the Kolb web site. So I have a few questions for the
Kolb flyers out there.
Is anyone using the 1350 or is everyone using the 1050?
Does anyone have any recommendations of one over the other?
Any suggestions as to where to purchase it other than from the factory and why?
Thanks in advance.
Brad Nation
N952DK
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| From: | "Tony Oldman" <aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Difference between mark II and mark III |
I have not read all the responses yet so some of this may be old news and
some may be conflicting.
I have been flying a MK111C 503 for 200 plus hours from sea level and into
some mountain country .I have flown it to 7000 ft above sea level with out
any performance issues . I would agree that stepping up to a 582 would be
wise.
The centre stick, like you I was going to change that and the throttle ,
after a couple of flights the need to do that went away . The only reason I
could think of for changing it now would be if your were doing a lot of
training and need to be a little more convention .The sling seats have
never been a problem. Carry a couple of spare large cable ties with you as I
found when I first started flying the Kolb some broke. Since they have been
replaced with new ones no more problem, that was about 6 years ago .
The transition to the Kolb was a non event, before purchasing it { 60 hrs
TSN } I did 1 flight from an air force base in rough weather with the
builder. On arrival at my home airport { by trailer } a local high time GA
pilot who is also a rated ultra light instructor flew the Kolb for about 30
minutes ,then I went for a check flight with him, after three take off/
landings he climbed out and said enjoy . I had just completed about 100hrs
in a aronca champ so the tail dragger was not new to me also the 100 hrs
before that were also tail dragger mixed with some trike time.The Kolb is
fun to fly, very forgiving and responsive . It will fly onto the ground
nicely or it will 3 point nicely , I would recommend to fly it on the first
couple of times then move to three point landings.
You need to make sure that the wheels are touching the grass tops before
running out of flying speed and that will happen fast once you flare.
Have fun the Kolb is a safe fun machine .
Downunder
MK111c 503
Regards
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 582/ Firestar |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
That is Ed Martin's FSII. Here is the page showing it in it's original state:
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
It has been pictured on the Kolb list for many years, got rolled up into a ball
a while back, was rebuilt and has been flying now for 3 years.
The 582 is delightful, amazing climb rate, cruises at around 4800 rpm at 3 gph.
A classic example of how a big engine loafing is nicer than a smaller engine
working.
Maybe if I get ambitious, I'll update the web page to show the airplane in it's
current state. Maybe.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Difference between mark II and mark III |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
I agree with the statements on the center control stick. When I first got the
plane I was convinced that I would need to move the stick to the center or at
least the throttle lever to the left side. After flying for just a few hours,
the stick position seems natural and reaching the throttle across my lap with
my left hand is no problem at all. I've abandoned any plans to move them and
I'm convinced that the ease of entry that the current configuration allows in
the MkIII classic more than makes up for the control positions. Just my 2 cents.
Allan
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| Subject: | Ivo prop bell cranks, pre 1994 |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Kolbers,
Been doing a bunch of experimenting with propellers lately and find myself in need
of two of the little torque arms that bolt onto the root end of the torsion
rod on the pre 1994 Ivo prop blades. They have a little square hole that fits
over the twist rod. If anybody has a couple from a broken ivo, drop me a note.
Thanks
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Difference between mark II and mark III |
| From: | "mike91911" <ko1m.mike(at)gmail.com> |
My bigger concern was the throttle location. To me it would be awkward reaching
across from the left but I won't change anything until I have some time logged
in the plane. Easier entry and exit with the center stick is something I hadn't
considered. Thanks.
Mike
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| Subject: | VHF Radio in a Kolb |
| From: | "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
kinne russ asked: << Can someone tell me which Garmin GPS works best in
a Kolb?
Also what VHF radio? Thanx Russ K >>
Russ -
Last year, I finally installed a "real" aircraft radio in my Mark-3 (as
opposed to using a handheld), and I am quite happy with it. It is a
FlightLine-760. Cost was about $600. Built-in intercom, fits in a
2-1/2 inch instrument hole. Made in Japan. Excellent quality.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul
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| From: | Sky Biker <smlplanet(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Difference between mark II and mark III |
Like several others I was ready to install a dual stick when I first start
ed flying. After a few hours I found that the center stick position had a
natural feeling to it. I did not like the center throttle position at all
and designed a dual throttle system. The throttles are located on the out s
ides and can now be operated from either seat using the right or left hand.
When the throttle is pulled all the way back it clears the door openings f
or easy access.
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Difference between mark II and mark III
> From: larlaeb(at)gmail.com
> Date: Mon=2C 8 Jul 2013 08:29:43 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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> I agree with the statements on the center control stick. When I first go
t the plane I was convinced that I would need to move the stick to the cent
er or at least the throttle lever to the left side. After flying for just
a few hours=2C the stick position seems natural and reaching the throttle a
cross my lap with my left hand is no problem at all. I've abandoned any pl
ans to move them and I'm convinced that the ease of entry that the current
configuration allows in the MkIII classic more than makes up for the contro
l positions. Just my 2 cents.
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| Subject: | Re: Know your Kolb |
| From: | "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
"Ralph B" wrote:
<< There have been many accidents attributed to big plane pilots flying
ultralights and Light Sport after flying the big ones. The classic
example is flaring too early on landing and stalling the airplane. It
comes down hard and bends the gear. How many times have we heard about
that one? >>
Ralph - How true! You told my story exactly.
That is what happened on the maiden flight of my newly-built Mark-3.
Bent both gear legs. After that, I went down to the Kolb factory and
flew the whole weekend with Bryan Melburn and Norm Labhart in the
factory demonstrator Mark-III Xtra. All we did was patterns & landings
for about 3 hours of flight time. Best spent flight training money I've
ever spent!
The good news is, replacing a Kolb landing gear leg is relatively
inexpensive!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul, Powerfin
Sandia Park, NM
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| Subject: | Re: VHF Radio in a Kolb |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Dennis,
If you could post some pics of your installation I would love to see them, I
'm getting pretty tired of the tangle of wires with my Icom, portable interc
om and headsets. I need some ideas of how to tidy it up.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Jul 8, 2013, at 5:04 PM, "Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS" wrote:
> kinne russ asked: << Can someone tell me which Garmin GPS works best in a
Kolb?
> Also what VHF radio? Thanx Russ K >>
>
> Russ =93
>
> Last year, I finally installed a =9Creal=9D aircraft radio in m
y Mark-3 (as opposed to using a handheld), and I am quite happy with it. It
is a FlightLine-760. Cost was about $600. Built-in intercom, fits in a 2-
1/2 inch instrument hole. Made in Japan. Excellent quality.
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-3, 912ul
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| Subject: | 912 propeller, 4" prop hub ext, Exhaust for sale |
Hello All,
For the 912 engine I have:
A 68" 3 bladed taper tip Warp Drive propeller with nickel leading edge $400
A 4" propeller hub extension $100
A Stainless steel exhaust system (at least I think it is stainless as a magnet
just barely sticks to it) $150 Attached is a picture of the exhaust configuration.
All are in great condition and buyer pays for shipping.
Regards
Jason Omelchuck
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| Subject: | blog report of the Rockhouse fly-in |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
http://highdesertflier.blogspot.com/ - password - owyheeflyer
This is a report of the part of the Rockhouse fly-in that I was able to
participate in. There are two short videos within the blog page, as well as
a lot of pictures of the area that we used for our fly out. The first video
is of an excellent example of how the Kolb can and should be used.
You do not need a password to view the blog, but you will for the videos.
Even though it was extremely hot, we all had a good time, although it was
cut short for me as I had to work on a range fire in Northern Nev.
Larry
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| From: | frank goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 912 propeller, 4" prop hub ext, Exhaust for sale |
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| Subject: | Re: Ivo prop bell cranks, pre 1994 |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
I have one. Be glad to mail it to you. Let me know.
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: 912 propeller, 4" prop hub ext, Exhaust for sale |
Hello Frank,
I will search for a better picture but the exhaust has been pulled off of the aircraft
already. The exhaust can is nestled under the gearbox with the exhaust
pipe exiting downward on the right side. The cylinders closest to the gearbox
have a very short header before it enters the exhaust can, the cylinders farthest
away from the gear box have the header curve back around under the cylinders
and go back to the can. There are welded in bosses for EGT's in all 4 headers.
The exhaust will only have enough prop clearance if you are using a prop
hub extension. The set up would work very well on any Kolb using a 912 engine
and you would not have the added clutter on top of the engine.
Best Wishes
Jason
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| Subject: | Transitioning to the Mk III |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Dennis Kirby, all, For pilots transitioning from GA to a Kolb Mk III I made
this video to help several years ago. Look at how the position of the
horizon on the windscreen changes with flap setting.
Hope this helps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ-YaW9WgEU
Rick Girard
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Mk IIIC
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| Subject: | Re: Transitioning to the Mk III |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
Rick, you know how to land a Mark III. Good job!
Ralph B
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Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000+ hours
26 years flying it
Kolbra 912ULS
N20386
200 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Transitioning to the Mk III |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
I agree. I found these videos very helpful during my transition, I probably watched
them 20 or 30 times. I would recommend in my limited experience that you
move to flaps (especially full flaps) only after you have the no-flap landing
down pretty well. I did practice approaches and slow flight with flaps at
altitude which helped. Also it seems to me that the video approaches don't look
as steep as the ones in real life. :)
In addition I've noticed that with additional weight forward (passenger) that
elevator authority is different and changes the flair timing and stick movement
a bit.
Thanks,
Allan
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| Subject: | Re: Transitioning to the Mk III |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
"Larlaeb"
> In addition I've noticed that with additional weight forward (passenger) that
elevator authority is different and changes the flair timing and stick movement
a bit.
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> Thanks,
> Allan
You sure got that right. The Kolbra is a different airplane with a passenger. The
sink rate increases dramatically and the stall is higher. The majority of my
flying these days is carrying my wife who runs the camera from the back seat
(she also is a "back-seat driver"). I flew it solo yesterday and it climbed like
a Firestar. I did six takeoffs and landings and forgot how to land solo. Not
that the landings were poor, but I had to compensate for the lack of weight.
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N91493 E-AB
1000+ hours
26 years flying it
Kolbra 912ULS
N20386
200 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: BRS for Xtra |
| From: | Colin Hudson <colin.scott.hudson(at)gmail.com> |
I talked with the Reps at BRS on that subject prior to making my purchase.
I asked for their opinion on the matter. I was told that they put a
rather large margin of safety in their chutes and they said the 1050 would
more than safely carry me down at max gross weight. Not sure what engine
you have on your X-tra. I am running the Jabiru 2200 and did have a
problem. At first I installed the BRS Model VLS. It disrupted the airflow
into my cylinders and my CHT went out of sight. The BRS folks recommend
that I try the 1050 canister model and it worked perfectly. It set right
in the middle and the air flowed right around it into the cylinders. I
will also add that the folks at BRS were great to work with during this
crisis. You will have to modify your center section plexi-glass to slid
around the BRS cable, but it's not too difficult. I can provide photos if
you get serious.
Colin
Colin Hudson
Retired Army
10,000+
N424AL
M3 X-tra
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> I'm going to add a BRS to recently acquired Xtra, but I'm not sure which
> one of the two recommended by the BRS rep to go with. The two sizes are the
> 1050 and 1350. The l350 is about $1000 more but it will be slower decent.
> The 1050 is the recommended size on the Kolb web site. So I have a few
> questions for the Kolb flyers out there.
> Is anyone using the 1350 or is everyone using the 1050?
> Does anyone have any recommendations of one over the other?
> Any suggestions as to where to purchase it other than from the factory and
> why?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Brad Nation
> N952DK
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: BRS for Xtra |
| From: | Brad Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> |
All,
Thanks for the input. I talked to Travis at Kolb about the various systems a
nd ended up buying a 1050 VLS from him which shouldn't be a problem with the
912.. It should be here in a few weeks.
Colin: photos would be great, thanks for the offer.
Sent from my iPad
Brad
On Jul 9, 2013, at 19:52, Colin Hudson wrote:
> I talked with the Reps at BRS on that subject prior to making my purchase.
I asked for their opinion on the matter. I was told that they put a rathe
r large margin of safety in their chutes and they said the 1050 would more t
han safely carry me down at max gross weight. Not sure what engine you have
on your X-tra. I am running the Jabiru 2200 and did have a problem. At fi
rst I installed the BRS Model VLS. It disrupted the airflow into my cylinde
rs and my CHT went out of sight. The BRS folks recommend that I try the 105
0 canister model and it worked perfectly. It set right in the middle and th
e air flowed right around it into the cylinders. I will also add that the f
olks at BRS were great to work with during this crisis. You will have to mo
dify your center section plexi-glass to slid around the BRS cable, but it's n
ot too difficult. I can provide photos if you get serious.
>
> Colin
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> Colin Hudson
> Retired Army
> 10,000+
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> N424AL
> M3 X-tra
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ne of the two recommended by the BRS rep to go with. The two sizes are the 1
050 and 1350. The l350 is about $1000 more but it will be slower decent. Th
e 1050 is the recommended size on the Kolb web site. So I have a few questi
ons for the Kolb flyers out there.
>> Is anyone using the 1350 or is everyone using the 1050?
>> Does anyone have any recommendations of one over the other?
>> Any suggestions as to where to purchase it other than from the factory an
d why?
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>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Brad Nation
>> N952DK
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Transitioning to the Mk III |
I found these videos very helpful during my transition, I probably watched
them 20 or 30 times.
Hi
You are making a mountain out of a molehill. I changed from a Challenger to
a Mk111 Xtra.in a couple of days.
The obvious change is tricycle to tail dragger. Tricycle is so much better
in every way it amazes me that anyone bothers with taildraggers. Steering is
accurate and precise without having to bother with differential brakes. Side
winds problems are much reduced with easily controllable weathercocking..
That said there is something romantic and `veteran` about a tail dragger
that I .like or I would not have bought the Xtra.
Hold the stick right back when taxying and point the stick into wind.
Taxy around your field until you can point the plane in the right direction.
Do a couple of runs along the runway until you can lift the tail (gently)
and balance on the mains.Find the trim position. When you can keep
straight and on two wheels just set up the longest run you can, select one
notch of flap, open the throttle SLOWLY or she will swing, until you are
flat out. and go for it.
It will be obvious when she wants to fly, don`t mess about watching the ASI,
just let her lift off. Climb at full throttle at about 50ish. Its not that
critical, just don`t get slow.Take the flap off at around 5/600ft
Get 1000ft on, throttle back, play with the trim and get used to the flying
position. Do some gradually steeper turns in both directions and just play
with it for half an hour. Check the indicated stall speed with one notch of
flap.which is what you will use for landing.
Landing.
Set up your approach giving yourself plenty of room. No steep turns in the
circuit. Circuit height is probably around 700ft agl.
Reduce power and trim for about 50. on the downwind The change in attitude
is not great but.the nose will tend to lift as the power comes off. I never
did a flapless landing, why would you?. You want increased lift at decreased
speed when landing. Thats what flaps are for. One notch flaps,watch for
attitude change, trim out for 50/55. Turn final . I alaways cut the throttle
when the field is made. Let the plane sink until the blur of the grass
changes and you can see individual blades of grass. Flare and try to keep
the plane in the air, just off the ground as long as possible.
She will eventually stall and you should be a few inches off the ground at
that point. You have a perfect three pointer.
KEEP THE STICK BACK and apply brakes if you must, but GENTLY.
Raise the flap and taxy in.
You will not need more than one notch of flap except in an emergency .She
REALLY comes down steeply if you do.
One more thing. If you sideslip and there is really not much point as the
flaps will drop you quite quickly enough watch for a slight lift of the
nose. The sideways motion of the air across the curved nose produces a bit
of lift. No problem, just be aware.
Good luck
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Transitioning to the Mk III |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
Well, better a mountain than a hole in the ground I always say. Probably some
of us just need more help than others. I would argue that a Challenger fits into
the lighter type of aircraft category which would give you an understanding
of the deceleration issues which plague some GA pilots making the transition.
As far as tricycles being better, I will agree that they are generally easier
but not better for all applications. Just my two cents.
Allan
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| Subject: | Marking Center Of Tube |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
Picture shows how to mark the center line of a tube using a C-Thru brand ruler.
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| Subject: | Rudder Spring Length FireFly Question |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
The picture of a new factory-built FireFly shows that the longitudinal axis of
a rudder spring must bend whenever a rudder pedal is pushed. Would it be better
if the spring on a pedal that is pressed is allowed to relax?
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Spring Length FireFly Question |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Doug,
The rudder pedal springs on Kolbs do relax when that pedal is pushed. They are
in tension and shorten when the corresponding pedal is depressed.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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a rudder spring must bend whenever a rudder pedal is pushed. Would it be better
if the spring on a pedal that is pressed is allowed to relax?
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Spring Length FireFly Question |
| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
I made a small T bracket for the forward spring mount to eliminate this problem.
Drilled and riveted to the 4130 cage tube so the bracket will not rotate. No
binding or flexing of springs. Simple to make with 2 pieces of tubing and a triangular
gusset.
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| Subject: | Re: Marking Center Of Tube |
| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
I spent a lot of time measuring and marking tubing until I came up with this method.
Take the tube that needs to be marked. say 1/2"
lightly secure to work table ( tape or wood blocks ) lay a piece of 1/2" tubeing
parallel and a few inches away from part to be marked. take a third piece of
tubing and either coat that piece or the tube to be marked with magic marker.
Drag the third piece down the two parallel pieces together, the tube being dragged
along the top will hit the exact apex of the two parallel tubes for as long
a line as you want to make.
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Pain Forum |
| From: | "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net> |
Painting my Kolb with latex paint sounds interesting if it will hold up to time
and look reasonably good. Can you use latex paint over the silver Polly brush
with success? Also can you remove the paint with MEK down to the cloth for
repair?
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Rick Lewis
(VW Watercooled Engine)
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| From: | Sky Biker <smlplanet(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Latex Pain Forum |
I recovered my Challenger 11 CWS in 05 and used Flex Bon latex house paint.
I sprayed it over the silver polly brush and had no problems. I researched
several latex paints before using the Flex Bon being it was developed in F
lorida and for it's sun resistance. The key is to clear coat it to keep the
darker colors from fading also. I ran out of the clear coat on a section o
f the tail feathers which faded after a couple years. Other than for that
the paint still looks great even after all these years and still has it's s
hine. I am in the process of recovering my Mark 111C and will use the same
paint system. Yes you can use the MEK to remove the paint. $30 a gal for th
e latex plus $80 for the clear coat is a whole lot cheaper than the other p
aints used and looks as good.
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Latex Pain Forum
> From: cktman(at)wildblue.net
> Date: Wed=2C 10 Jul 2013 18:31:47 -0700
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Fitting an un-drilled panel onto blind tabs |
Kolber guys (and girls),
In the spirit of offering helpful tips, as Doug (Dnul) just did, I
offer this hopefully helpful tip to fit a panel onto hidden tabs.
Here's the scenario; Suppose you have to make a custom panel that
fits very tightly in a difficult-to-get-to
place, like say, a floor panel. Once you have cut and trimmed, and
filed, and sanded=85.and you've finally got your panel
that precise shape that fit's like a glove, your mounting points (tabs)
are now hidden, and you no longer have a decent
vantage point to view where the mounting holes should be drilled. What
to do, what to do???
Here's what I came up with;
An un-drilled floor panel that I recently made for my GlaStar was
placed in position. I could see the mounting tabs
beneath the panel from the front of the plane, but no where near
accurate enough to be to place a locating pen mark
on the topside to drill the holes.
So!! I took an old 3/16" bolt, chucked it into my drill, and turned
on my bench grinder. I spun the bolt head against
the grinder creating a pin-pointed top. It sort of looks like a rivet,
but instead of the head being rounded, it came to sharp point.
Then, I lifted up the floor panel, dropped the pointy-headed bolt in
place, re-positioned the floor panel exactly where I wanted
it to be located. Then, I took a small block of wood, roughly centered
it above the first tab, on top of the panel and TAP! Next,
removed the panel, looked for the tiny dent, and then centered punched
it a little better, and drilled it out to 3/16".
After placing the floor panel back into position in the floor, I
dropped in a bolt=85.exactly locating the panel where I wanted
it! But, before I had set it in place, I dropped that pointy-headed
bolt into a tab on the opposite side of the panel. Then TAP!
Voila'!! Second bolt hole dent. Removed panel, center punched second
hole, drilled 3/16", and re-installed.
Once you have two bolt holes drilled, and the 2 locating bolts
inserted through the panel and their corresponding tabs (on opposite
sides of your panel), that sucker is EXACTLY positioned where it needs
to be, and then you just keep on working your way
around the remaining tabs, dropping in that pointy-headed bolt per each
next tab to tap a small locating dent on the panel's underside.
I think my custom-made floor panel had about 8-9 bolts to hold it
secure. Each one of those holes was as exact as they could be.
It was as if I had access to underneath the tabs to drill them.
I think this method offers several variations of uses to allow the
builder to make very precisely located blind panels. Below is a
duplicate
of the bolt I ground down. It needn't be any fancier than a beat up old
bolt, ground down to a sharp point!! BTW, the 1/8" height that it
holds
the panel up is a non-factor.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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| Subject: | Re: Marking Center Of Tube |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Variation of Ducati SS's method: Lay two same diameter tubes side by side, take
a steel ruler and lay it on both tubes, drag it along the top of both tubes.
The steel will leave a light scuff mark.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Spring Length FireFly Question |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
I should get a 3/8" dia aluminum tube 8 and 3/4 inch long to hook the springs to
so they're stretched 1 and 3/4 inches to get to the pedals in neutral since
that is what the plans call for.
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting an un-drilled panel onto blind tabs |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
Wicks has sheet back markers and strap duplicators.
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting an un-drilled panel onto blind tabs |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
Wicks has sheet back markers and strap duplicators.
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| Subject: | Drilling Center Of Tube |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
To drill the center of a tube use a "V" block. Simply lower the drill on the drill
press down to the bottom of the "V" to position for center.
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Pain Forum |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
If you already have reached the Poly Spray stage, you've already added all
the weight to the fabric covering that you need, otherwise to save money
why not do as Appendix A of the Poly Fiber manual suggests and go with one
of the three PolyTone colors that have the silver in them and no Poly Spray
is required. You save money and weight.
If you're going to do latex paint, research what the successful
experimenters have come up with. Latex has UV protection built in and will
do the same thing that Poly Spray does.
Using Poly Brush and Poly Spray and then overcoating with Latex is probably
the worst of all worlds in terms of covering weight.
As for doing repairs of Latex coated fabrics, good old commercial Goof Off
will take the latex off to get down to bare cloth.
Some find it hard to believe how much weight can be added with coatings. My
Mk III is 35 to 50 lb. overweight because an auto painter slobbered on so
much AeroThane until the fabric weave was completely filled.
Light Kolbs fly better. The closer you can get to 500 lb. empty weight the
happier you will be with your airplane.
Rick Girard
PS Is Latex Pain for masochists? Sorry, couldn't help myself
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Sky Biker wrote:
> I recovered my Challenger 11 CWS in 05 and used Flex Bon latex house
> paint. I sprayed it over the silver polly brush and had no problems. I
> researched several latex paints before using the Flex Bon being it was
> developed in Florida and for it's sun resistance. The key is to clear coat
> it to keep the darker colors from fading also. I ran out of the clear coat
> on a section of the tail feathers which faded after a couple years. Other
> than for that the paint still looks great even after all these years and
> still has it's shine. I am in the process of recovering my Mark 111C and
> will use the same paint system. Yes you can use the MEK to remove the
> paint. $30 a gal for the latex plus $80 for the clear coat is a whole lot
> cheaper than the other paints used and looks as good.
>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Latex Pain Forum
> > From: cktman(at)wildblue.net
> > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 18:31:47 -0700
> > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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> > Painting my Kolb with latex paint sounds interesting if it will hold up
> to time and look reasonably good. Can you use latex paint over the silver
> Polly brush with success? Also can you remove the paint with MEK down to
> the cloth for repair?
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> > Rick Lewis
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> > (VW Watercooled Engine)
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404434#404434
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Spring Length FireFly Question |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Doug, From the picture it looks like either A) the tube that fixes the end
of the springs is too short, or B) the springs are too long. You need to
have the springs in the relaxed length when that rudder pedal is fully
depressed, not when the pedals are equal, i.e. rudder centered.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Dnul wrote:
>
> The picture of a new factory-built FireFly shows that the longitudinal
> axis of a rudder spring must bend whenever a rudder pedal is pushed. Would
> it be better if the spring on a pedal that is pressed is allowed to relax?
>
> --------
> Dnul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404397#404397
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/firefly_may13_005_164.jpg
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>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling Center Of Tube |
| From: | "Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com> |
Here is what I use and it works perfect every time
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Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400
Soon to have a
Rotax 670 DCDI
with a C-Box and
RK 400 Clutch
Challenger II
503 Tall Drive
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Pain Forum |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
How would you use cheap house paint to do a small graphic detail on top of Polytone,
on fabric, in order avoid buying some quarts of Polytone? You can get small
sample cans of latex mixed colors at Lowes which are intended for people
to use in choosing colors.
--------
Dnul
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| Subject: | Re: Jig To Install Hinges |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
My other tip shows cutting bushings and someone asked "what bushings" on this thread
showing the hinge drilling jig. FireFly uses bushings cut from 5/16 ID
steel tube. They are used where horizontal stabilizer attaches at the back to
the elevator and at the top and bottom of the lift struts. Bushings act as spacers
on 5/16 bolts.
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Dnul
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling Center Of Tube |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
That would be great to order for drilling the vertical stabilizer post, the drag
strut, or the landing gear leg and the universal joint on the aileron control
tube which would be drilled inaccurately. It might be used to drill an innumerable
number of holes in small tubing used in the wing.
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Dnul
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling Center Of Tube |
| From: | "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net> |
http://www.skygeek.com/eastern-edf1-drill-rite.html sells the drill guide.
--------
Dnul
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Latex Pain Forum |
I painted latex over existing paint on some areas on my Titan Tornado. Some of
it had been painted before I bought it, and I'm guessing it was Polytone. I washed
the airplane with detergent and TSP to remove dirt and wax. Then just sprayed
the thinned latex. The new paint had adhered great. There are a few spots
where the base paint let loose of the fabric, but the latex has stayed stuck.
If you are thinking of a small logo I would think you could mask and spray with
a touch up gun, or just brush it on.
Malcolm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dnul" <doug.syler(at)att.net>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 1:52:29 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Latex Pain Forum
How would you use cheap house paint to do a small graphic detail on top of Polytone,
on fabric, in order avoid buying some quarts of Polytone? You can get small
sample cans of latex mixed colors at Lowes which are intended for people to
use in choosing colors.
--------
Dnul
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Pain Forum |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
rickofudall wrote:
> If you already have reached the Poly Spray stage, you've already added all the
weight to the fabric covering that you need, otherwise to save money why not
do as Appendix A of the Poly Fiber manual suggests and go with one of the three
PolyTone colors that have the silver in them and no Poly Spray is required.
You save money and weight.
Rick, I have an older version of the Poly-Fiber Manual that makes no mention of
three Poly Fiber colors with silver added. Could you elaborate? Thank you.
--------
Jerry King
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| Subject: | Re: Jig To Install Hinges |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Here is a tool that makes list posts easier to read. We won't need to scroll back
and forth because the pictures are too big.
http://imageresizer.codeplex.com/
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: 912 propeller, 4" prop hub ext, Exhaust for sale |
Yes the airplane had a cowling, it was an Aeroprakt A20. I still have a 300 hour
Rotax 912ULS for sale that is perfect for a Kolb. It would come with everything
needed to make it work on a Kolb. Engine, prop hub extender, 3 bladed 68"
warp drive propeller, exhaust, radiator, oil cooler, oil tank, Grand Rapids
EIS. The whole works can be had for 13K plus shipping.
Regards
Jason
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Pain Forum |
| From: | "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com> |
I have a Kolb Firestar with a Latex paintjob. It is starting to show cracks in
the paint, any suggestions on a fix?
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Pain Forum |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Per Appendix A: Ultralight & Very Light Aircraft. PolyTone 318M, Piper
Trainer Blue, 220M Nevada Silver and 222M Rancho Silver are all formulated
with the same amount of aluminum pigment in them as Poly Spray and will
give full UV protection.
Rick
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 6:28 AM, racerjerry wrote:
>
>
> rickofudall wrote:
> > If you already have reached the Poly Spray stage, you've already added
> all the weight to the fabric covering that you need, otherwise to save
> money why not do as Appendix A of the Poly Fiber manual suggests and go
> with one of the three PolyTone colors that have the silver in them and no
> Poly Spray is required. You save money and weight.
>
>
> Rick, I have an older version of the Poly-Fiber Manual that makes no
> mention of three Poly Fiber colors with silver added. Could you elaborate?
> Thank you.
>
> --------
> Jerry King
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404590#404590
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Latex Pain Forum |
Tom
I'm afraid that I don't have any bright ideas about fixing cracking paint. Did
you do the paint job? Do you know what brand of paint, how it was applied, or
how old it is?
Malcolm
----- Original Message -----
From: "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 6:09:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Latex Pain Forum
I have a Kolb Firestar with a Latex paintjob. It is starting to show cracks in
the paint, any suggestions on a fix?
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| From: | Sky Biker <smlplanet(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Latex Pain Forum |
I have no advise as to what may be needed to cure your problem. I know when
I was looking at painting my plane with latex several years ago and laughe
d at=2C I found that several brands would crack. I did several test panels
with different brands of latex exposing them to the sun for a period of ti
me. after a period of time I removed them for the frames that simulated bei
ng stretched on a planes surface and allowed to be whipped around by the w
inds. Most of them cracked to some degree except for a couple. I did this
to see if the paint that had been used on banners used to stretched across
the roads and then rolled up and used the next year. I am happy to say it h
as held up great since 04...just clear coat it.
Date: Sat=2C 13 Jul 2013 23:04:29 +0000
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Latex Pain Forum
Tom
I'm afraid that I don't have any bright ideas about fixing cracking paint.
Did you do the paint job? Do you know what brand of paint=2C how it was a
pplied=2C or how old it is?
Malcolm
From: "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday=2C July 13=2C 2013 6:09:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Latex Pain Forum
I have a Kolb Firestar with a Latex paintjob. It is starting to show cracks
in the paint=2C any suggestions on a fix?
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| Subject: | AVID Mark -4 , Complete Package for sale (Do forward) |
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Kolbers,
This is not Kolb related, but please do forward to those interested...Thanks in
advance!)
I am selling my entire package. Details as listed below:
AVID Mark -4 Details: (Built for the Backcountry and pleasure flying It has got
everything!)
The airplane is completely covered and painted. The new engine has to be bolted
and Instrument panel has to wired and it's ready to go. Installation manual supplied)
Package Price: 17K
Contact: Mahesh Iyer - Cell: 541-613-3329
Aircraft Location: Salt lake City
Completely built airframe with custom built foldable heavy duty Trailer: 10,000
USD
Brand new Rotax 582 in a box with B gear box and electric starter: 6000 USD
(7127 + 300 USD shipping if you purchase from a rotax dealer)
Custom built Bubble doors with Hydraulic Cylinders and gap insulation/Weather proofing:
2500 USD
Additional instruments, Strobes and many others at reduced prices or give away
Brand new Rotax 582 in a box with Carburetor's, Gear Box, Electric starter, Installation
CD, Manuals, Rectifier units, Tool kit and rotax registration details:
6000 USD
Firewall forward with complete Aluminum wall, Dyna Engine Mount and floorboard
ready to go!
New Dual Brakes with Matco cylinders
New Heavy duty Backcountry GROVE Landing systems
New Tundra tires 8.00 x 6
Maule Tail wheel
Manuals and Drawings:
Complete original AVID build manual with all drawing's included
Build Pictures in original
POH -Skystar
Engine Includes the following:
Warranty
Rotax tool kit
B gear box
Electric Starter
Rectifier
Oil Injector
Coolant Reservoir
Overflow Reservoir
Dual Bing Carburetor's
Black heat resistant Painted and assembled Exhaust
Exhaust Gaskets
Avid Cowling mounted Dual Radiator Cooling System
Custom Brackets for Installation
Three blade Heavy duty WARP DRIVE prop with Titanium Leading edge and improved
Blade system
Warp drive Protractor for blade adjustment
Aluminum Polished spinner with accessories
Heavy duty powder coated AVID DYNA Engine mount for Rotax 582
Two CHT and two EGT Wasatch Probes
Water /Coolant Temperature Probe
Engine mounting accessories, screws, bolts, nuts included.
RF Suppression capacitor with custom mount
Firewall:
Aluminum Firewall with Heat protector included
Grommets and rubber seal Included
Instruments:
Dash
Altimeter supplied by Avid
Vertical speed indicator supplied by Avid
RPM Indicator
Airspeed
Electronic Elevator Trim
New Ignition/Master Switch
New Circuit Breakers
ELT Emergency locator
ICOM Handheld Radio
Dual Intercom Flightcomm
Water Temperature
Voltage Indicator
Dual EGT and CHT indicator
Turn Cordinator
Hobbs Indicator
Bubble Doors:
Custom made BUBBLE DOORS for 8-10 Inches of extra space
Brand new Hydraulic pistons for ease of opening bubble doors
Stainless less steel nuts and bolts for mounting
Gap seals
Special drills and rivets for mounting
Complete set of instructions
Prefabricated door frame for COMPLETE view
Painted door frames.
Cowling:
Fully painted and ready to Install AVID Fiber Glass Cowling
Strobes and Nav lights:
Brand new AEROFLASH Strobes and NAV Lights
Extra flashing strobes for Landing gear
PAINTS:
Polyfiber polytone Bahama Blue
Polyfiber polytone Lemon yellow
Polyfiber Aerothane for that shiny look
Polyfiber Rejuvenator
Polyspray Silver
Additional Fabric and tapes
CDROMS:
Avid 4 CD set on build and improvements
Rotax Installation CD
Many Others:
Complete set of Hardware Nuts and Bolts per AVID specs
New Dual Throttle cables
New Fuel Primer set up
Fuel lines
Fuel Selector Valves
Antennas
Avid custom built Round Rudders
Maule Tail wheel assembly
Heavy Hauler Wings
New Floor Panel
New rudder cables and tangs
Custom seats -2
PTT switch
Powder coated body frame
Transportation support bars and cushions
Lead weights in case you are putting a different engine
Decals and Markers
Incabin Heater set up
Two set of seat belts
FAA registered, N numbered
Reason for sale:
I am moving to a 4 seater Cessna as it serves my purpose better.
Thanks,
Mahesh
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Heading out for the northern Cascades and Puget Sound |
-Hi all,=0A=0ATomorrow morning I'm heading taking off for a four-day flyi
ng/camping trip in my Talon. I'll be flying with Bob Coombs (Titan.) We're
going to explore the northern Cascades and Puget Sound. =0A=0AIf you want t
o follow our track, you can check out my SPOT tracker at=0Ahttp://share.fin
dmespot.com/shared/gogl.jsp?glId=0j61d1nv67p9JS1b9PcrXbpphQ5YVWYgJ=0A=0AI
'm hoping my GoPro camera comes up with some beautiful shots. We're both pr
etty excited, since the forecast is for severe clear.=0A=0AI won't have e-m
ail or phone access - totally disconnected electronically. Yeah!=0A=0AArty
Trost=0ASandy, Oregon=0A=0A=0A=0Awww.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009
.htm=0A=0A=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"=0AHelen Keller=0A=0A=0A
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Heading out for the northern Cascades and Puget Sound |
-Hi all,=0A=0ATomorrow morning I'm heading taking off for a four-day flyi
ng/camping trip in my Talon. I'll be flying with Bob Coombs (Titan.) We're
going to explore the northern Cascades and Puget Sound. =0A=0AIf you want t
o follow our track, you can check out my SPOT tracker at=0Ahttp://share.fin
dmespot.com/shared/gogl.jsp?glId=0j61d1nv67p9JS1b9PcrXbpphQ5YVWYgJ=0A=0AI
'm hoping my GoPro camera comes up with some beautiful shots. We're both pr
etty excited, since the forecast is for severe clear.=0A=0AI won't have e-m
ail or phone access - totally disconnected electronically. Yeah!=0A=0AArty
Trost=0ASandy, Oregon=0A=0A=0A=0Awww.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009
.htm=0A=0A=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"=0AHelen Keller=0A=0A=0A
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/13/13 |
Jerry and Rick:
The Nevada Silver is one of the colors that has the silver UV protectants in it.
Jim and Dondi of Aircraft Technical Support are a great resource and source
for info and products. I have used their services from the beginning of my
MKIIIX project.
Bob G.
N830PB
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| Subject: | Re: Ivo prop bell cranks, pre 1994 |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Thanks for the part Richard, I'll try to get a card with a few bucks to cover your
shipping and trouble out to you this week.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:54 AM, "Richard Pike" wrote:
>
> I have one. Be glad to mail it to you. Let me know.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
> Hebrews 11:1
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404280#404280
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Heading out for the northern Cascades and Puget Sound |
Arty:
Have a safe, fun flight.
john
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TheWanderingWench
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:16 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Heading out for the northern Cascades
and Puget Sound
Hi all,
Tomorrow morning I'm heading taking off for a four-day
flying/camping trip in my Talon. I'll be flying with Bob
Coombs (Titan.) We're going to explore the northern Cascades
and Puget Sound.
If you want to follow our track, you can check out my SPOT
tracker at
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/gogl.jsp?glId=0j61d1nv67p
9JS1b9PcrXbpphQ5YVWYgJ
I'm hoping my GoPro camera comes up with some beautiful
shots. We're both pretty excited, since the forecast is for
severe clear.
I won't have e-mail or phone access - totally disconnected
electronically. Yeah!
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at
death."
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| Subject: | eBay listing - Avid Mark -4 package with pictures |
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Kolbers,
Attached below is the link with pictures. Please do forward it to your friends
if interested!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AVID-MK4-Folding-wing-Complete-aircraft-New-Engine-with-Custom-Trailer-Sale-/121143219738?pt=Motors_Aircraft&hash=item1c34b2d61a&vxp=mtr
Thanks,
Mahesh
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| From: | "Andy and Sheila Slinkard" <andysheila(at)eltopia.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heading out for the northern Cascades and Puget Sound |
Hi Artie (TheWanderingWench),
We would like to extend an invitation to stop at our farm if you get to
the east side. Our air strip is WN31 on the map. We have extra
bedrooms or you may camp if you prefer. I am a Kolb builder (nearly
finished) among other airplanes. We missed you at the Rock house fly-in
last year and this year.
Andy and Sheila
----- Original Message -----
From: TheWanderingWench
To: FlyingNuts(at)yahoo.com
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:15 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Heading out for the northern Cascades and Puget
Sound
Hi all,
Tomorrow morning I'm heading taking off for a four-day flying/camping
trip in my Talon. I'll be flying with Bob Coombs (Titan.) We're going to
explore the northern Cascades and Puget Sound.
If you want to follow our track, you can check out my SPOT tracker at
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/gogl.jsp?glId=0j61d1nv67p9JS1b9PcrXb
pphQ5YVWYgJ
I'm hoping my GoPro camera comes up with some beautiful shots. We're
both pretty excited, since the forecast is for severe clear.
I won't have e-mail or phone access - totally disconnected
electronically. Yeah!
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Latex Pain Forum |
| From: | "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com> |
My Firestar was recovered using Stewarts, and painted using Latex, 3 or 4 owners
ago in the late 90's I believe, I'm wishing it was done in Poly Fiber
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| From: | David Kulp <undoctor(at)ptd.net> |
G'day Kolbers,
I was out pulling maintenance on my Exmark and with the heat and
hunidity so high I was looking for a reason to go inside in the AC.
Found the reason!!
I bought a quart of Aero Thane Christen Eagle Blue #177 for my FlagFly
and discovered upon receipt that what I needed was Insignia Blue. In
the interim my hangar/trailer rolled in Hurricane Sandy and the can of
Christen Eagle Blue got badly dented. No leaks, but it sure is dented.
I have no use for it and would like to see it get used, so if anyone
would be interested in almost a quart of paint in a can you'll probably
have to replace once you open the lid, make an offer.
Just about done with repairs from the hurricane, must finish new gap
seal and tailwheel yet and I'll be aloft.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMMK
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matt's KLVK ATC Streaming... |
Dear Listers,
A couple of weeks ago I found a web site on the Internet called LiveATC.net that
has the Air Traffic Control (ATC) tower communications on line for streaming
for a number of airports around the country. Lo 'n behold, they even have a
stream for my home base, the Livermore Airport. But, much to my dismay, the quality
of their KLVK feed was just plain awful. It was obvious the airband source
didn't have a decent antenna or perhaps even a good radio. I suppose that
given that their site is a consortium of local citizens providing the feeds,
the lack of quality goes with the territory.
But, I really liked the idea of being able to monitor the LVK ATC and also the
ability to bring up the archives and listen to my personal communications with
the tower after a flight.
Since I had a computer at the hangar along with a pretty decent Internet connection
and, in the spirit of Experimental Homebuilding, I had an idea... I mounted
an air-band antenna on the top of the hangar and brought the RG-58 coax down
to near the computer and plugged it into my trusty Icom IC-A20 hand held.
I was AMAZED at the quality of signal I was getting. It was picking up guys in
airplanes 19 miles out like they were sitting next to my hangar! I set the
radio to high-speed scan between the Tower and Ground frequencies so with a single
feed I could get all communications.
So next, I made an audio connection from the handheld to the Line In input on the computer. Sure enough, now I was getting great sound from the hand held on the computer! I found some software from Australia called BroadWave from a company called NCH ( http://www.nch.com.au/streaming ). It lets you connect to the Line In port on the computer and then generate real time audio streams that can be served up via the Internet. And sure enough, it works great!
Next, I found some software from Germany called Loop Recorder ( http://looprecorder.de ) that let's you monitor an audio input on your computer and generate archive files. You can select an increment in which to rotate the files automatically, for example, every 30 minutes. I downloaded this software and installed it and sure enough, I was able to start archiving the ATC transmissions coming in, all the while streaming them live as well!
The last piece of the puzzle was to enable the Web and FTP servers on the Windows
7 system and come up with a front-end web page that would tie all of these
new resources together for easy access from the Internet. I'm happy to report,
the whole thing came together very nicely and even allows you stream directly
to your Android or iPhone as well as your desktop! Pretty darn cool!
And so, without further ado, here is my new web site for monitoring the ATC communications
at KLVK:
http://klvk.matronics.com/
Just to state the obvious, the stream is silent if there isn't any current ATC
or aircraft communications. During the day, you'll usually hear something within
five or ten minutes. Sometimes much quicker.
I contacted LiveATC.net and they were excited about adding my new stream to their web site as well. So, at some point soon, the LiveATC.net feed for Livermore Airport will be coming from my hangar! My site http://klvk.matronics.com will continue to be available as well.
For entertainment purposes only!
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 170+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
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| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Yesterday morning made my first flight in N553R! It's a Mark III X-tra with a
912S and a 3 blade Warp prop. It was one of the first Xtra's produced by TNK
13-14 years ago.
Everything went pretty well but there are a couple of things that I would like
to hear the group's comments on.
The indicated stall was very repeatable at 55 MPH. This seems high to me but I
did some quick glances at the GPS and I think my airspeed reads high. I will
recheck this and may redo the static connection.
I have a fuel pressure sender to the EIS and I noticed that when throttling down
from say 5000 rpm to 3000 rpm I had a low fuel pressure (set at 2 psi) indication
for only about a second. Then it came immediately back to around 4-5 psi.
I did not have the electric boost pump on at the time. This happened several
times on throttle back.
I also noticed a fuel smell in the cockpit a couple of times which lasted about
maybe 10 seconds. This seemed to occur when turning right? I checked all lined
after the flight and there was no evidence of any leaks anywhere & all connections
were tight. The tank vent is a ram air connection on the bottom of the
cage, passenger side, about 3 inches from the landing gear socket. I'm thinking
about relocating this.
Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks guys.
Rex Rodebush
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
Rex, congratulations on your first flight.
Disconnect the static line on your ASI and it should read correctly.
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000+ hours
26 years flying it
Kolbra 912ULS
N20386
200 hours
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations Rex! Glad it went safely. Your stall speed sounds very high to
me.
Allan
Mk IIIC
20 Hours
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Had two great experiences this week with buying a used prop and a set of 2si gearbox
gears from a couple fellow Kolb pilots. Both items were packed perfectly
wrapped tight in bubble wrap and taped well, than pop corn foam packed super
tight around it all to keep everything from shifting in the heavy duty boxes.,keep
this in mind when shipping valuables, a little attention to detail is so
important in keeping things from getting dinged or worse.
Big thanks to Jimmy Young and Luray Weachter! Well done fellows!
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
| From: | "Ducati SS" <hiwingflyer6219(at)yahoo.com> |
For the first flight of my Firefly I mounted a Hall airspeed indicator to the wing
strut. They are cheap and supposed to be accurate. I was able to cross check
with my panel ASI to verify readings. After verifying the panel ASI and plumbing
I removed the Hall unit. I have a full enclosure and therefor use a static
port mounted on the flat bottom of the nose cone.
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| Subject: | Fwd: Blog- Fire recon |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:06 AM
Subject: Blog- Fire recon
To:
http://highdesertflier.blogspot.com/
Here is an update on the range fires with a couple of videos.
Larry
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| Subject: | Upgrading from 503 to 582 on Mark III |
| From: | "mike91911" <ko1m.mike(at)gmail.com> |
Without considering the cost of the engine itself, what would I be looking at to
go from a 503 to a 582 on my Mark III? Also what would I have to change or add?
I know I have to add a radiator. I'm told I can use the same carbs and exhaust
(with a different y-pipe), same ignition and possibly the same gearbox and
prop. Engine mount? I'm sure I'm missing things here.
I'm trying to decide before I send out the 503 to be overhauled. I can get an overhauled
582 Blue Head for $3575 or a Grey Head for $2775 and he'd give me $1000
for trading in my 503.
Thoughts and opinions...
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| Subject: | Wheel Pants have important function |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Wheel fairings are often called "wheel pants", "speed fairings" or, in the UK,
"wheel spats". These fairings are a trade-off in advantages, as they increase
the frontal and surface area, but also provide a smooth surface, a faired nose
and tail for laminar flow, in an attempt to reduce the turbulence created by
the round wheel and its associated gear legs and brakes. They also have the important
function of preventing mud and stones from being thrown upwards against
the wings or fuselage, or into the propeller on a pusher craft.
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants have important function |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
wow! who would have thunk it? This must be something new?
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Dennis Thate wrote:
>
> Wheel fairings are often called "wheel pants", "speed fairings" or, in the
> UK, "wheel spats". These fairings are a trade-off in advantages, as they
> increase the frontal and surface area, but also provide a smooth surface, a
> faired nose and tail for laminar flow, in an attempt to reduce the
> turbulence created by the round wheel and its associated gear legs and
> brakes. They also have the important function of preventing mud and stones
> from being thrown upwards against the wings or fuselage, or into the
> propeller on a pusher craft.
>
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> invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrading from 503 to 582 on Mark III |
| From: | "pipercolt" <bob.pipercolt(at)yahoo.com> |
I understand that you can use the same carbs on the 582, don't forget to rejet
them.
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| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
It was a wonderful flight to Rushford with lots of scenery in the hills and bluffs
of southern Minnesota. My wife Laurie took video of the flight and we both
enjoyed the breakfast served here. We also enjoyed the fun we had with friends
and the joking around that we do with each other. This is one of best fly-ins
we've attended. The people here were very hospitable and entertaining. I also
liked the operations area and the professionalism in conducting the fly-in.
Hats off to them!
http://youtu.be/Oe7ZlBOGPmk
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000+ hours
26 years flying it
Kolbra 912ULS
N20386
200 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Rushford Fly-in |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
Ralph,
Sorry I wasn't able to fly over. But thanks for posting a great little video and
bringing some exposure to their fly-In and some positive energy to this forum.
Fly Safe!
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the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
| From: | "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the comments guys. I plan to disconnect the static line from the probe
and move it inside the cockpit and see what that does. I do have the fuel
return line per Rotax recommendations. The engine is new from the factory so
I would think the fuel float would be correct but will research that and see
what it takes to change it.
Waiting on the weather for the second flight. It's either been gusty crosswinds
or thunderstorms the last few days.
Rex
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants have important function |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
This is no Forum for Elderly Men
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants have important function |
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants have important function |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Or better still just say, "Look at my new wheel pants. ain't they purty".
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:53 PM, undoctor wrote:
> Dennis,
> I may be a bit opaque but I'm having some difficulty understanding what
> this has to do with Kolbs. If you would explain the relevance I can assure
> you the aggravation to those who use the forum properly with Kolb related
> posts will be reduced.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dennis Thate <retroman(at)frontier.com>
> Date: 07/22/2013 5:16 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wheel Pants have important function
>
>
> This is no Forum for Elderly Men
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Pants have important function |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
[quote="lcottrell"]Or better still just say, "Look at my new wheel pants. ain't
they purty".
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:53 PM, undoctor wrote:
> Dennis,
> I may be a bit opaque but I'm having some difficulty understanding what this
has to do with Kolbs. If you would explain the relevance I can assure you the
aggravation to those who use the forum properly with Kolb related posts will be
reduced.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dennis Thate
> Date: 07/22/2013 5:16 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wheel Pants have important function
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>
> This is no Forum for Elderly Men
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| Subject: | Re: Rushford Fly-in |
| From: | "Dennis Thate" <retroman(at)frontier.com> |
You reap what you sow, in life and on this forum .
Enjoy !
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| Subject: | Re: Rushford Fly-in |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
This is the first time seeing the hill country of Minnesota from the air. I want
to go back on my Goldwing to visit. It's truly a spectacular area!
Ralph B
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Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000+ hours
26 years flying it
Kolbra 912ULS
N20386
200 hours
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
> take your time use WD 40 for lube
I think you guys are more experienced at this.. but I will tentatively
suggest also trying chainsaw bar oil. It is viscous, stays in place a while
and removes chips pretty good. You can dip the drill bit in it once inna
while then go drill some more. I bought a gallon 30 years ago and it will
last me the rest of my life.
OFF TOPIC
I also have a good amount of Roundup. Again, about 30 years ago I bought a
gallon, split it with a friend and have used it carefully since. It too will
last me the rest of my life.
My wife passed a coupla years ago. She had so much STUFF. New stuff,
Christmas presents she opened and put back in the box for safe keeping,
'special' pretty things that she never used. $50,000 worth of diamonds she
would never wear. Her best china. I learned a lesson from that. I have made
some nephews and cousins and stuff happy cuz I looked through my gun
collection and figgered that realistically I'd never use THIS one or THAT
one again, so I gave them away. One nephew received a Hi Standard .22
pistol. He was so excited he never put it down again till they left to go
home. Oh, he was still holding it even then. Another got the .30-06 with the
new Redfield on it. A Belgium Browning FN. I been doing that with lots of my
stuff. I always have been an acquisitive guy, but I get a lot of joy outta
doing this, while I'm alive to see it!
I'm not feeling morbid but I am more in touch with my mortality (is that
possible?).
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrading from 503 to 582 on Mark III |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Here are some hopefully useful thoughts on radiators - the Rotax radiator part
# 995-699 measures 10.5" X 11" x 1.25" thick which equals out to 115 square inches.
It costs $439.
My MKIII N402RP is using a motorcycle radiator purchased for $75 from the local
motorcycle scrapyard, it is off some sort of street cruiser, a big Honda, don't
remember exactly. The radiator measures 16" x 7.5" x 1.25" or 120 square inches.
The FSII with 582 is using a similarly sourced radiator, it measures 15"
x 8" x 1.25" once again 120 square inches. In both cases the radiators were mounted
below and behind the wing and engine, where prop draw and below the wing
airflow will help move a lot of air through them.
On both airplanes we had excellent results most of the year, but we had a little
trouble in the heat of summer on extended hard climbs, the temp would get close
to redline and we would have to slack off a bit, let it cool down, and then
go again. Given that the Rotax radiator is slightly smaller, it would not be
surprising if other 582 operators also had some heat problems during the heat
of summer.
So here is how we fixed things: added a second radiator. In the case of the FSII,
we just piggybacked a second smaller radiator off some forgotten bike behind
the original, problem solved. (You bleed the air out of the piggybacker by loosening
the big top bolt)
On the MKIII, I decided to get rid of the brass Rotax expansion tank that is normally
used to add water by just adding a dirt bike radiator instead, and attached
it to the fairing that goes in front of the engine and holds the oil tank.
It doesn't even face straight ahead, it is at an angle, because that lets the
pipe fittings line up better, and the fairing will get the air in just fine
regardless. Since all these radiators are aluminum, the added weight is minimal.
Temps now stay constant year around on both airplanes.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting an un-drilled panel onto blind tabs |
| From: | "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net> |
Thank you for that tip. This is the reason I stay active on this site. These
simple tips mean a lot to me and I'm sure other also. Wicks and Spruce have gotten
enough of my money on gadgets they have. I have an use for your suggestion
right now, so thank you.
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Rick Lewis
(VW Watercooled Engine)
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| From: | Dennis Long <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com> |
I am UNAVAILABLE. I'll respond after the sixth of August.
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| Subject: | MKIII wing incidence |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Bob Bean, asked me to post this for him, since he no longer posts to this forum,
but thought it might be of interest to other MKIII pilots.
MKIII owners: I have for years intended to change the incidence on my wings and
tail. I drilled new holes in the spar attach ears probably three years ago
but, somehow never got around to it. -until this year. The reason for doing it
pertains more to my individual plane than a stock MkIII because of my wide windshield
design.
I felt a conflict of airflow between it and the wing angle, much like what happened
with early versions of the Xtra. -Too much down pressure on the nose.
I drilled the new wing holes about 5/8" above the originals which works out to
about 1.326 degrees. I bought the adjustable tail brackets from Kolb but
modified them substantially. They were angled to allow wing fold using any of
the holes but this makes the HS stick out too far at the lower settings.
I cut the ears off to the same width and drilled new holes for two settings.
I used a combination of calculation and guesswork to figure what range I would
need. I went with the highest holes which yields about -3.5 degrees from the
engine mount,
figuring the tail boom is -6 degrees. Good thing, because with those holes I can
still fold the tail without pulling any bolts.
I had crow hopped it a couple days ago and parked it without real flight. Today
was perfect flying weather so I did a test flight. Naturally I was hoping
not to
encounter any "lawn dart" characteristics and I was either a very clever guy or
blessed with dumb luck, take yer choice, because it was perfect first time up.
I had previously been flying with one notch up on the trim, but for this occasion
I lowered it to zero. -Just right. Neutral stick at normal cruise and
slight back pressure for full throttle straight and level. All other trim stayed
the same. There is a noticeable increase in dihedral but I didn't get to
doing any rudder experimentation to see how much it is affected.
The plane feels as if it has been freed up from an invisible restraint. Hard to
describe but I was quite pleased. It appears to cruise about 5 mph
faster at normal settings. I didn't look close to check full throttle speed, just
how muck stick it took. -Full throttle speed doesn't matter to me
because I don't use it for other than climb.
I couldn't say whether a standard configured MKIII would gain from the same changes
but you would definitely need the tall steel legs to compensate.
Also, because of my center section design, the angle could be changed without any
extra work.
Reminder: Previous written by Bob Bean, I'm merely posting it for him and I have
no further information on it than you now do. However, since many may not be
familiar with Bob's customized MKIII, I've attached an old photo so you can see
what his airplane's nose and center section look like.
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Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII wing incidence |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
re: Why doesn't Bob post to the forum any more?
Bob is the busiest retired guy I know. His many and varied interests keep him otherwise
occupied. He even built his own house! He is a craftsman with competencies
in so many things that it boggles my mind. I don't recall EVER having at
any age, as much energy as he has at 72.
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Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII wing incidence |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Thom,
Could you get pics from BB of his front horizontal stab mounts?
Due to the stock windshield bow, thus mod would be pretty tough in a stock Mk 3.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Jul 26, 2013, at 7:38 AM, "Thom Riddle" wrote:
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> Bob Bean, asked me to post this for him, since he no longer posts to this forum,
but thought it might be of interest to other MKIII pilots.
>
> MKIII owners: I have for years intended to change the incidence on my wings
and tail. I drilled new holes in the spar attach ears probably three years ago
> but, somehow never got around to it. -until this year. The reason for doing
it pertains more to my individual plane than a stock MkIII because of my wide
windshield design.
> I felt a conflict of airflow between it and the wing angle, much like what happened
with early versions of the Xtra. -Too much down pressure on the nose.
>
> I drilled the new wing holes about 5/8" above the originals which works out to
about 1.326 degrees. I bought the adjustable tail brackets from Kolb but
> modified them substantially. They were angled to allow wing fold using any of
the holes but this makes the HS stick out too far at the lower settings.
> I cut the ears off to the same width and drilled new holes for two settings.
> I used a combination of calculation and guesswork to figure what range I would
need. I went with the highest holes which yields about -3.5 degrees from the
engine mount,
> figuring the tail boom is -6 degrees. Good thing, because with those holes I
can still fold the tail without pulling any bolts.
>
> I had crow hopped it a couple days ago and parked it without real flight. Today
was perfect flying weather so I did a test flight. Naturally I was hoping
not to
> encounter any "lawn dart" characteristics and I was either a very clever guy
or blessed with dumb luck, take yer choice, because it was perfect first time
up.
>
> I had previously been flying with one notch up on the trim, but for this occasion
I lowered it to zero. -Just right. Neutral stick at normal cruise and
> slight back pressure for full throttle straight and level. All other trim stayed
the same. There is a noticeable increase in dihedral but I didn't get to
> doing any rudder experimentation to see how much it is affected.
>
> The plane feels as if it has been freed up from an invisible restraint. Hard
to describe but I was quite pleased. It appears to cruise about 5 mph
> faster at normal settings. I didn't look close to check full throttle speed,
just how muck stick it took. -Full throttle speed doesn't matter to me
> because I don't use it for other than climb.
>
> I couldn't say whether a standard configured MKIII would gain from the same changes
but you would definitely need the tall steel legs to compensate.
> Also, because of my center section design, the angle could be changed without
any extra work.
>
> Reminder: Previous written by Bob Bean, I'm merely posting it for him and I have
no further information on it than you now do. However, since many may not
be familiar with Bob's customized MKIII, I've attached an old photo so you can
see what his airplane's nose and center section look like.
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> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII wing incidence |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I can ask him. I'm going to get out of the middle of this conversation and try
to get BB to respond.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| From: | Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MKIII wing incidence |
Dennis,
Pardon me if I cut into your conversation to Thom (since both Bob Bean
and I have made the "new incidence change.)
Bob Bean had some kind of fender-bender several years ago, and made
his own replacement nosecone. If appears to
be a hybrid from the original round nosed MkIIIC and the wedge shaped X.
(Mine is a pure TNK part)
In keeping with all the other changes I made to my OEM MkIII C, I
added the newer, taller, steel gear legs. This necessitated
an incidence change to the main wings from the "high angle" to the new
lower angle, found on the new Xtras with the taller steel
gear legs. Bob Bean was making the changes I already made a couple of
years ago.
As I remember correctly, the Kolb instructions told us to drill a hole
"UP" 7/8" from the bottom of the tab. (or 5/8". or 3/4"=85whatever it
said)
Again, from a fading memory, it's been a long time since I did
that=85.this would give an effective angle of attack to the MkIIIC main
wings of around
+9 degrees, give or take a degree ( I think=85.) But! If you are
going to add the tall steel gear legs, that high angle of attack doesn't
work nicely
with 3-point landings because if you have such a 'very high' angle of
attack, you will find yourself being launched into the air just as the
tail end
drops too far.
Therefore, to counteract this problem, Bryan Melbourne lowered the
incidence of the wings, which also required a lower horizontal
stabilizer
angle, too. Plus, the wide Xtra nose figured into the deal, but we'd
need Bryan to chime in tell explain all the details.
To achieve the "new lower wings' incidence, a builder would then drill
the tab hole that same 7/8" distance=85..only this time he down came
from
the TOP of the tab, not up from the bottom. I think this gives about an
1" to an 1 1/4" distance between the holes. At any rate, now, by
inserting a bolt through
the UPPER hole, you will be lowering the wings a fair amount. As it
turns out, the final intended angle (from Bryan @ TNK Co) is +3.4
degrees (instead of that
+9 degrees for regular geared MkIIICs of Xtras).
Later, in discussing this angle change with Bryan, he said we were
looking for "2.8 to 3.4 degrees". When I did mine, I came up with 3.4
exactly, 'cause that's what
I was told. If I remember correctly, our buddy Scott Thompson came up
with near +2.8. I think this is why I called and talked to Bryan.
Evidently it was "a range"
we were allowed, centered around +3.0.
With all this main wing incidence changing, you have to also take into
account the rear horizontal surfaces. The leading edge of the H.S. must
come down
a couple of degrees, in order to work well with the "reduced angle main
wings". What that angle measurement is exactly we don't know yet, and
we are waiting for the
Bean to get back to us. He believes he nailed it on the first try. I'm
anxious to know what the digital angle reading is. I asked him if he
could also take a reading
of his main wings, too, while he was at it, to help me establish a sort
of basic logical platform to deal with.
NOTE: All angles, readings, etc. are assumed to be read with an
initial setting of the MkIII boom tube propped up to "6" degrees (or -6
degrees) EXACTLY.
It is whatever makes the motor mount "0.0"!! BTW, I think the hor. stab
is supposed to come in at -4.8 degrees. That is where I have mine set
at. I have 3
other holes to choose from, 1 upper, 2 lower.
My plane is almost finished, but medical issues and finances are
slowing me down at the moment.
Here is a photo of when I attached the Xtra nosecone to my completely
rebuilt MkIIIC front end. (first photo) I used exact measurements from
a OEM Xtra fuselage
to modify my MkIIIC fuselage. (Pat Ladd's wrecked frame) The stick on
top was to show a different member the intended angle he should achieve.
He was going
to do the MkIIIC to MkIIIX change, too, but I haven't heard from him in
a year and a half.
Oh yeah. You are correct, Dennis. Yes, the wing incidence change
will require you to make a new, (probably custom) wing gap seal. I did
mine out of fiberglass,
under which is housed the ballistic chute in the front compartment. (see
second and third photo)
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
Mike Welch
By the way, you can see the increased dihedral from all the "normal"
MkIIIs. When you use your old struts, like we did, and you lower the
leading edge, you
end up increasing the dihedral to about double the O.E. setting.. =46rom
what I've heard, this is a good thing. (It ends up being close to 3.0
degrees)
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| From: | "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MKIII wing incidence |
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>Bob Bean, asked me to post this for him, since he no longer posts to this
forum, but thought it might be of interest to other MKIII pilots.
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>I drilled the new wing holes about 5/8" above the originals which works out
to about 1.326 degrees. I bought the adjustable tail brackets from Kolb but
modified them substantially. They were angled to allow wing fold using any
of the holes but this makes the HS stick out too far at the lower settings.
>
>The plane feels as if it has been freed up from an invisible restraint.
Hard to describe but I was quite pleased. It appears to cruise about 5 mph
faster at normal settings. I didn't look close to check full throttle
speed, just how muck stick it took.
>
Bob,
You may want to adjust the thrust vector by trial washer elevating the front
and/or back of the engine to the mounting plate. If you are all ready getting
a plus five mph at cruise it may be a useless endeavor. But it may get you a
little bit more cruise speed.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb flyer on craigslist |
Kolb flyer on craigslist
http://tucson.craigslist.org/for/3927605950.html
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | MKIII wing incidence |
> I put the long steel legs on my stock 1991 vintage Mk 3 a few years ago
Where can I get the steel legs for my '80's Firestar? I bought it needing a
recover but haven't done it yet so I haven't flown it. And there is the
small matter of not being a pilot.
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| From: | "pipercolt" <bob.pipercolt(at)yahoo.com> |
Good Morning
I am looking for a good set of spring steel gear legs for a MK 111 Classic. If
anyone has or knows of a pair for sale, please call me at 765-346-2622.
Thanks
Bob
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
If you don't find used legs, give that working man Travis a ring and he'll slick
you right up. It's reassuring to know you got the right stuff the first time.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Jul 27, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "pipercolt" wrote:
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anyone has or knows of a pair for sale, please call me at 765-346-2622.
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrading from 503 to 582 on Mark III |
| From: | "mike91911" <ko1m.mike(at)gmail.com> |
As far as mounting what is involved? Do I need a new mounting kit? Any idea what
they cost?
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrading from 503 to 582 on Mark III |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Mike, I checked the Two Stroke Installation Manual and the 503 and 582 have
the same mounting dimensions, 94 mm X 153 mm, so you should be able to just
bolt the 582 on. As I said before, if you use an "E" gearbox you have to
move the hole pattern aft 3/4" (.750") to clear the starter motor and the
rear motor mount cross member on the Kolb fuselage weldment.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 1:30 PM, mike91911 wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrading from 503 to 582 on Mark III |
| From: | "mike91911" <ko1m.mike(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you so much. This is all very new to me and I still can't believe I own my
own plane.
Most people seem to be trying to talk me into going with the 582. My budget is
limited but I want to do it right the first time and not be sorry I didn't upgrade
to the 582. I guess I have some decisions to make.
[quote="rickofudall"]Mike, I checked the Two Stroke Installation Manual and the
503 and 582 have the same mounting dimensions, 94 mm X 153 mm, so you should
be able to just bolt the 582 on. As I said before, if you use an "E" gearbox you
have to move the hole pattern aft 3/4" (.750") to clear the starter motor and
the rear motor mount cross member on the Kolb fuselage weldment.
Rick Girard
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| From: | "pipercolt" <bob.pipercolt(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Bob
Give me a call at 765-346-2622
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrading from 503 to 582 on Mark III |
| From: | "mike91911" <ko1m.mike(at)gmail.com> |
I have a B gearbox now. It was mentioned above that I'd be happier with a C gearbox.
Could you elaborate?
Mike
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| From: | "gyrodude" <gsafrit1(at)carolina.rr.com> |
I have an older 5 rib Firestar. Refueling the other day I found a crack about half
way up the side at a corner. It is a plastic tank that looks like the 5 gallon
jug that cooking oil for commercial use comes in. The opening in the framework
where the tank fits is 9 3/4 inches square. I've looked locally for a replacement
but have had no luck. Anyone know of a source for one. I'll call Kolb
today and see if they can help. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: MKIII wing incidence |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Bob Bean sent me more info on his wing incidence mod, as follows:
My plane was not the result of a "fender bender" but the combined parts of two
other guy's wrecks. There was no nose cone
included in any of the parts and I wanted more foot room so the wider nose was
the result. It comes off with 10-32 machine screws
for accessibility.
BB
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Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| From: | "Rnold" <TMO17(at)snet.net> |
| Subject: | Kolb Firestar avialable |
I'm new to the list... have a Firestar that's been sitting in storage of
approx 14 years with only a few hours on it. Looking for advise on value
and where and how to list it... Thank you... John
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| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Did Travis hook you up?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Jul 29, 2013, at 8:38 AM, "gyrodude" wrote:
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half way up the side at a corner. It is a plastic tank that looks like the 5
gallon jug that cooking oil for commercial use comes in. The opening in the framework
where the tank fits is 9 3/4 inches square. I've looked locally for a
replacement but have had no luck. Anyone know of a source for one. I'll call Kolb
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| From: | "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net> |
I believe this is what I have for a fuel tank on my 1985 vintage Firestar
http://beprepared.com/5-gallon-water-jug.html
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| From: | "gyrodude" <gsafrit1(at)carolina.rr.com> |
Travis was headed out the door to Oshkosh. Someone emailed me a source close to
my home. I ordered it on Tuesday and got it the next day. $5.00 shipping zorotools.com.
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| Subject: | rides last evening |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
I gave all my grandkids rides last evening. It was a very nice evening to fly.
Ralph B
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Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000+ hours
26 years flying it
Kolbra 912ULS
N20386
200 hours
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| Subject: | Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
| From: | "dsmithlib" <dsmithlib(at)ameritech.net> |
I am rebuilding a Firestar II project. It has two 5 gal tanks, I have the plans
from the mid-90's and (I thought) I had a pretty good understanding of aviation
fuel systems and venting.
However, I am seeing both tanks fed together to a T and then up to the pump or
primer etc.. What I am missing is how the fuel is drawn from the tanks equally.
It seems to me that once air is introduced to EITHER fuel pickup, the system
will be fuel starved.
I realize there is something I am not picking up from the drawings. I do not see
any depiction of the venting which may hold the key. In any event, I would
appreciate a few comments on best practices for plumbing the two standard 5 gal
tanks.
Thanks,
Dave
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RV7 Flying
Kolb Firestar II (in-progress)
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
> It seems to me that once air is introduced to EITHER fuel pickup, the
system will be fuel starved.
Are the tanks at the same level?
Are the pickups descending from a fitting at the bottom of the tanks, or do
they drop down into the tanks from above?
If the tanks are level, then when you suck air both tanks will be almost
completely empty.
In the case where the tanks are not level, if the pickups descend from a
bottom fitting the weight of the fuel will displace the air potentially
introduced from the empty tank, and the fuel line will have fuel in it.
I have no experience with what I'm talking about here, I was just
visualizing the situation. I probably have misunderstood you cuz I imagine
you have already thought of all this.
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| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
If you are feeding fuel from fittings attached to the bottom of each tank; and
both tanks are vented and at the same level, then gravity will do a good job of
evenly emptying both tanks. I didnt care much for drilling holes in the bottom
of the tanks, so I opted to feed fuel from the top of each tank.
If you are feeding fuel sucking from the top of each tank, then things are a bit
different. Fuel flow here is more dependent on venting pressures for each tank
to empty evenly. You are correct in that if one tank sucks air, its GAME
OVER. I had one forced landing because of this and attributed it to a small pressure
difference between the tank vents (they are located fore and aft in a
breezy spot behind the pilot/passenger) where most likely each vent was subjected
to different airflow patterns. There was only a small amount of fuel left
in the other tank; so the system worked OK as long as neither one got too low.
You might try tying both vents together to equalize any pressure differences;
but just dont let the fuel level get too low and you wont have to worry about
it.
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| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
If switching tanks does not appeal to you, think about adding a hopper tank. Go
to Home Depot and purchase some 4" PVC pipe and flat end caps. They sell 3 types
of PVC pipe, one is thick wall and heavy, and the other is thin wall. The
third type has a foam core, don't get the foam core. Gasoline doesn't affect
the PVC. Make it whatever size you can get to fit anywhere near the back seat
and below the level of the stock tanks. Make up some appropriate brackets and
clamp it securely in place. It doesn't need to be very big, it just needs to hold
a quart or so and be the lowest point in the system.
NAPA auto parts sells a metal tire valve stem with a wide flat flange on each side
and rubber gaskets, you can drill it out and use it as a fuel fitting, put
it into the flat end cap of the pipe.
Set it up so that both of your stock tanks drain into the hopper tank, and the
hopper tank goes to your Facet pump. The fitting that goes to the Facet pump is
obviously the lowest point in the system. Also rig it for a sump drain. Since
this little hopper tank is below your stock tanks, you don't care if one of
them drains dry, you only have to be on the ground before both of them drain dry.
If you want to spend about $150 for various pieces-parts (mostly on on brass T fittings) you can put in 2 of these things, mount them vertically beside the forwardmost stock tank, and gain a bit over 2 gallons of fuel. Figuring out how to arrange all the plumbing will have you making up a real flow chart, but if you want 12 gallons of usable fuel, here's how to do it: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSIITankMods.html
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
My Slingshot had two 5 gallon tanks with a connection tube between them close to
the bottom so that they acted almost as if they were one tank. I say almost
because the connection was not in the bottom but on the side wall close to the
bottom. The line to the electric fuel pump was from the top in the rear of the
two tanks since it is a bit lower than the front except in a dive. The vent
from the top of front tank went down and exited below the fuselage. Since the
connection line was small (1/4") the flow between the two tanks was not nearly
as fast as the rate you can fill the tanks. It is quicker to fill both than wait
for one to drain to the other.
If you don't mind putting holes in the bottom of the tank, which is what I would
have done had I been the builder, the connection line will make them effectively
one 10 gallon tank. RANS Aircraft has an excellent fuel tank fitting for
the bottom of tanks and they do not leak.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
| From: | Frank <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Richard
The metal tire valve you mentioned
Also makes an excelant fitting if you want to feed from the bottom of
The tanks. Just drill out the center
And use a fuel proof gasket.
Used them for years my firestar.
Frank----they come in 2 sizes, the
Long ones work best.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 4, 2013, at 8:36 AM, "Richard Pike" wrote:
>
> If switching tanks does not appeal to you, think about adding a hopper tank.
Go to Home Depot and purchase some 4" PVC pipe and flat end caps. They sell 3
types of PVC pipe, one is thick wall and heavy, and the other is thin wall. The
third type has a foam core, don't get the foam core. Gasoline doesn't affect
the PVC. Make it whatever size you can get to fit anywhere near the back seat
and below the level of the stock tanks. Make up some appropriate brackets and
clamp it securely in place. It doesn't need to be very big, it just needs to
hold a quart or so and be the lowest point in the system.
>
> NAPA auto parts sells a metal tire valve stem with a wide flat flange on each
side and rubber gaskets, you can drill it out and use it as a fuel fitting, put
it into the flat end cap of the pipe.
>
> Set it up so that both of your stock tanks drain into the hopper tank, and the
hopper tank goes to your Facet pump. The fitting that goes to the Facet pump
is obviously the lowest point in the system. Also rig it for a sump drain. Since
this little hopper tank is below your stock tanks, you don't care if one of
them drains dry, you only have to be on the ground before both of them drain
dry.
>
> If you want to spend about $150 for various pieces-parts (mostly on on brass T fittings) you can put in 2 of these things, mount them vertically beside the forwardmost stock tank, and gain a bit over 2 gallons of fuel. Figuring out how to arrange all the plumbing will have you making up a real flow chart, but if you want 12 gallons of usable fuel, here's how to do it: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSIITankMods.html
>
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> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
| From: | "Frankd" <FDucker(at)aol.com> |
Hi Dave,
I have the two tank system in my MkIII Xtra.
The fuel pickup tubes go to the bottom of both tanks and I have connected them
with a T at the top and then this single fuel line I run down to a fuel pump placed
at the height of the bottom of the tanks.
The trick is to initially suck fuel from BOTH tanks so there is no air in the lines.
Both 5Gal tanks are side by side so if one is full and one is half full the fuel
will eventually flow from the full to the lower until they are equal.
My vent lines just plumb into the top of the tank and I run them up about 6 inches
and then down to the outside of the plane. In case I go inverted the fuel
will stay outside the aircraft.
This system acts like one tank, no switching required. Just fill both up equally
and its fine.
I'm thinking of adding another 5 gal tank and may add a valve as a control into
the 1st two if I do that.
Hope this helps.
Oh, I also have two fuel filters, one just after the T at the top of the tank
and one on the fuel pump. No problems so far, 50Hrs flying.
FrankD
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
I have never tried this, but offer it to you for your consideration,,
you would have to do some experimenting to see if the system works, or
how hard to eliminate all the air.
if you come out of the top of both tanks,,, then loop the lines to
below both tanks and put the tee from both tanks and the inlet to the
engine in the bottom of the cage. you would have to start a siphon from
each tank to purge the air from both lines and establish a siphon.
then each tank will drain via the siphon line to the tee. if one tank
goes empty the siphon for that tank will quit, the other will continue
to siphon till it is empty, if one tank is empty the other tank will
keep the area of the tee (going to the engine) flooded with fuel, this
should keep the engine happy till the second tank empties and the second
siphon is lost. at that point you are out of gas and are going to let
gravity be a major part of flying the plane. down side would be if
you had a vacuum leak that stopped the siphon on one tank... your
engine could quit with one tank full. to prevent this,, you could put
a =9Cleft right or both=9D valve at the bottom the cage in
place of a simple T,
just thinking out loud.
boyd young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am rebuilding a Firestar II project. It has two 5 gal tanks, I have
the plans from the mid-90's and (I thought) I had a pretty good
understanding of aviation fuel systems and venting.
However, I am seeing both tanks fed together to a T and then up to the
pump or primer etc.. What I am missing is how the fuel is drawn from the
tanks equally. It seems to me that once air is introduced to EITHER fuel
pickup, the system will be fuel starved.
I realize there is something I am not picking up from the drawings. I do
not see any depiction of the venting which may hold the key. In any
event, I would appreciate a few comments on best practices for plumbing
the two standard 5 gal tanks.
Thanks,
Dave
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| From: | Dan <dan42101(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
One way to do it is to just use the front tank to feed the carbs via the Mi
kuni pump, and use a facet pump to transfer fuel in flight. -When you fee
l fuel on the back of your neck you know your font tank is full... -Once
you feel the fuel on your neck you will never take your hand off the pump s
witch during a transfer again.=0A=0ASome good fuel system suggestions:-
=0Ahttp://www.challengers101.com/FuelSys.html=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______
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ect: Kolb-List: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups=0A =0A
=0A=0AI am rebuilding a Firestar II project.- It has two 5 gal tanks, I h
ave the plans from the mid-90's and (I thought) I had a pretty good underst
anding of aviation fuel systems and venting.=0A=0AHowever, I am seeing both
tanks fed together to a T and then up to the pump or primer etc..- What
I am missing is how the fuel is drawn from the tanks equally.- It seems
to me that once air is introduced to EITHER fuel pickup, the system will be
fuel starved.- =0A=0AI realize there is something I am not picking up fr
om the drawings.- I do not see any depiction of the venting which may hol
d the key.- In any event, I would appreciate a few comments on best pract
ices for plumbing the two standard 5 gal tanks.=0A=0AThanks,=0ADave=0A=0A--
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrading from 503 to 582 on Mark III |
| From: | "lownslow" <mnmcouillard(at)yahoo.com> |
can I throw another question out there? I am putting a "Rotax Rick" 670 on a Classic
Mark III and I'm wondering if I am OK with an E gearbox(after seeing the
comment regarding having to move the 582 mount back 3/4" to clear the starter
going from the 503 to the 582
any thoughts? am I ok with the E gearbox?
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| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
| From: | "dsmithlib" <dsmithlib(at)ameritech.net> |
Thank you to all for replying.
>From what I have learned here......
I will...
use individual pickups from the top
then connect with a T
then go to a filter
then to a elec facet pump
then to the pulse pump
I will T off at some point for primer
They will be well vented but I am not sure how I will plumb the vents at this moment......sounds
like they will also get T'd and then plumbed overboard.
Thank you !
Thank you !
Thank you !
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Dave Smith
RV7 Flying
Kolb Firestar II (in-progress)
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| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
I keep hearing people say they don't want to put the fuel pickup on the
bottom of their tanks. I don't understand their issues. I have been flying
my VW powered MKIIIC for fifteen years. I use the press fit bushings in the
standard Kolb plastic tanks and have never had a seeping fuel issue. About
7-8 years ago I replaced the tanks just to be safe and again no issues. I
now have the 6 gallon tanks ready to install and yes I have drilled the
bottoms and installed the press fit bushings. I insert a fitting that has a
finger strainer and shut off valve.
My theory is feeding fuel from the bottom is the most reliable way to get
fuel to my engine because there are fewer things that can go wrong. Fuel
feeds evenly from both tanks and if one tank gets filled more than the
other they will equalize in time. Again I have never had a press fit
bushing leak but I have had a fuel line leak. When the fuel line developed
a leak it was dangerous but it didn't cause a engine failure like would
have happened if I was feeding from the top of the tanks. I did notice a
fuel smell that got me looking. It would seem that fuel seepage would be
the worst case problem for bottom feed. If you top feed and you get even a
minor air leak you wouldn't know till engine start or worst case in the air.
I use a stepped drill bit to drill the hole in the plastic fuel tanks for
the fuel bushings. I think they drill a more rounded hole in thin plastic.
Then I very carefully debur the holes.
I tee the fuel tanks together. I have flown many different GA airplanes
that have fuel selectors and they are a pain. Something else that you HAVE
to do. On low wing airplanes with wing tanks, where it is necessary it is a
necessary evil, it is ok. Why add something like a fuel selector that adds
to the work load and is a potential problem?
Just my opinion. As always this is worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
1st Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Frankd wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I have the two tank system in my MkIII Xtra.
> The fuel pickup tubes go to the bottom of both tanks and I have connected
> them with a T at the top and then this single fuel line I run down to a
> fuel pump placed at the height of the bottom of the tanks.
>
> The trick is to initially suck fuel from BOTH tanks so there is no air in
> the lines.
>
> Both 5Gal tanks are side by side so if one is full and one is half full
> the fuel will eventually flow from the full to the lower until they are
> equal.
> My vent lines just plumb into the top of the tank and I run them up about
> 6 inches and then down to the outside of the plane. In case I go inverted
> the fuel will stay outside the aircraft.
>
> This system acts like one tank, no switching required. Just fill both up
> equally and its fine.
> I'm thinking of adding another 5 gal tank and may add a valve as a control
> into the 1st two if I do that.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Oh, I also have two fuel filters, one just after the T at the top of the
> tank and one on the fuel pump. No problems so far, 50Hrs flying.
>
> FrankD
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=405914#405914
>
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| From: | "Jim Baker" <jim.baker(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61)
Murphy said it best - "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong".
Yours doesn't leak and hasn't leaked. That's not to say that at some time in the
future it won't leak. The top plumbed units won't leak as yours might but still
have a slight chance of leaking thru a cracked seam or some other mechanism.
There is no advantage to top plumbed except possibly access and maintenance.
Top plumbed allows me to but a bronze filtered clunk at the bottom of the tank
standpipe without having to pull the tank out. All maintenance can be done with
the tank as is, where is. Either methodology, top or bottom, will work, just
depends on your point of view. I've had the same tanks for 18 years. There was
never a time when I doubted the integrity of fuel delivery methodology chosen.
Personal choice, not a denouncement.
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups
From: Rick Neilsen
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Send reply to: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>
> I keep hearing people say they don't want to put the fuel pickup on the bottom
of their tanks. I
> don't understand their issues. I have been flying my VW powered MKIIIC for fifteen
years. I use
> the press fit bushings in the standard Kolb plastic tanks and have never had
a seeping fuel
> issue. About 7-8 years ago I replaced the tanks just to be safe and again no
issues. I now have
> the 6 gallon tanks ready to install and yes I have drilled the bottoms and installed
the press fit
> bushings. I insert a fitting that has a finger strainer and shut off valve.
>
> My theory is feeding fuel from the bottom is the most reliable way to get fuel
to my engine
> because there are fewer things that can go wrong. Fuel feeds evenly from both
tanks and if one
> tank gets filled more than the other they will equalize in time. Again I have
never had a press fit
> bushing leak but I have had a fuel line leak. When the fuel line developed a
leak it was
> dangerous but it didn't cause a engine failure like would have happened if I
was feeding from the
> top of the tanks. I did notice a fuel smell that got me looking. It would seem
that fuel seepage
> would be the worst case problem for bottom feed. If you top feed and you get
even a minor air
> leak you wouldn't know till engine start or worst case in the air.
>
> I use a stepped drill bit to drill the hole in the plastic fuel tanks for the
fuel bushings. I think they
> drill a more rounded hole in thin plastic. Then I very carefully debur the holes.
>
> I tee the fuel tanks together. I have flown many different GA airplanes that
have fuel selectors
> and they are a pain. Something else that you HAVE to do. On low wing airplanes
with wing
> tanks, where it is necessary it is a necessary evil, it is ok. Why add something
like a fuel selector
> that adds to the work load and is a potential problem?
>
> Just my opinion. As always this is worth what you paid for it.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> 1st Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Frankd wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I have the two tank system in my MkIII Xtra.
> The fuel pickup tubes go to the bottom of both tanks and I have connected
them with a T at
> the top and then this single fuel line I run down to a fuel pump placed at
the
height of the
> bottom of the tanks.
>
> The trick is to initially suck fuel from BOTH tanks so there is no air in
the
lines.
>
> Both 5Gal tanks are side by side so if one is full and one is half full the
fuel
will eventually
> flow from the full to the lower until they are equal.
> My vent lines just plumb into the top of the tank and I run them up about
6
inches and then
> down to the outside of the plane. In case I go inverted the fuel will stay
outside the aircraft.
>
> This system acts like one tank, no switching required. Just fill both up
equally and its
> fine.
> I'm thinking of adding another 5 gal tank and may add a valve as a control
into the 1st two
> if I do that.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Oh, I also have two fuel filters, one just after the T at the top of the
tank and
one on the
> fuel pump. No problems so far, 50Hrs flying.
>
> FrankD
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| Subject: | Re: rides last evening |
| From: | "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net> |
Thanks Ralph, she looks like she's having a ball. Fun is what it's all about.....
:D
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(VW Watercooled Engine)
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrading from 503 to 582 on Mark III |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
You'll be fine, moving a 670 rearward a little shouldn't cause any CG issues as
it is much lighter than 912s and VW engines many are using.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:30 PM, "lownslow" wrote:
>
> can I throw another question out there? I am putting a "Rotax Rick" 670 on a
Classic Mark III and I'm wondering if I am OK with an E gearbox(after seeing
the comment regarding having to move the 582 mount back 3/4" to clear the starter
going from the 503 to the 582
>
> any thoughts? am I ok with the E gearbox?
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrading from 503 to 582 on Mark III |
| From: | "lownslow" <mnmcouillard(at)yahoo.com> |
awesome Dennis, thanks so much, sir!
I figured that was the case but wanted to be sure. I appreciate it!
Mike
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| From: | "George Bearden" <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
> I use the press fit bushings in the standard Kolb plastic tanks
I am not 100% sure I know what you mean here. Is 'press fit' the gadget that
is held in place in the hole by a neoprene grommet? It is a short tube with
a sort of barb on the end so the fuel line won't come off?
> Venting. Something I haven't seen discussed on the forum is venting that
will not become a drain
The circle track racers wind the vent tube around the tank 2-3 times.
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| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
George
The press fit bushings are ultralight/light plane standard fuel fittings
They are inserted into a hole in plastic fuel tanks. They are a fuel proof
rubber like material. After they are inserted a metal fuel fitting is
pressed into the bushing which locks the bushing in place and makes the
assembly highly leak resistant. They do require that the proper sized hole
is drilled, that is the hole is carefully debured, and the fuel fitting is
lightly lubricated when it is installed.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:51 AM, George Bearden wrote:
>
> > I use the press fit bushings in the standard Kolb plastic tanks
>
> I am not 100% sure I know what you mean here. Is 'press fit' the gadget
> that
> is held in place in the hole by a neoprene grommet? It is a short tube with
> a sort of barb on the end so the fuel line won't come off?
>
> > Venting. Something I haven't seen discussed on the forum is venting that
> will not become a drain
>
> The circle track racers wind the vent tube around the tank 2-3 times.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rides last evening |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
"Rick Lewis"
> Thanks Ralph, she looks like she's having a ball. Fun is what it's all about.....
:D
Hey Rick, I've been giving a lot of rides lately. All my grandkids, friends, and
wife ride but not at the same time :).
The Kolbra has a lot more power with the 100hp than that 'ol worn out 912 80hp
that the thieves stole. In fact that one had very little compression and would
have needed rebuilding soon anyway.
I'm having a lot more fun now than ever before. We like the new engine much better.
I didn't let the terrorists win!
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000+ hours
26 years flying it
Kolbra 912ULS
N20386
300 hours
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| Subject: | Evan rides in the Kolbra |
| From: | "Ralph B" <rstar447(at)gmail.com> |
My grandson Evan got a ride last Sunday afternoon. Here's a short video of the
flight:
http://youtu.be/j6OFL7n8ggs
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000+ hours
26 years flying it
Kolbra 912ULS
N20386
300 hours
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 08/06/13 |
Rick:
Where do you order these press fit bushings?
Thanks.
Bob
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
George
The press fit bushings are ultralight/light plane standard fuel fittings
They are inserted into a hole in plastic fuel tanks. They are a fuel proof
rubber like material. After they are inserted a metal fuel fitting is
pressed into the bushing which locks the bushing in place and makes the
assembly highly leak resistant. They do require that the proper sized hole
is drilled, that is the hole is carefully debured, and the fuel fitting is
lightly lubricated when it is installed.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 08/06/13 |
| From: | Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com> |
Bob
JBM has them.Buy them on line,get them in 2-3 days
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From: Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org>
Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 2:43 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 08/06/13
Rick:
Where do you order these press fit bushings?
Thanks.
Bob
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
George
The press fit bushings are ultralight/light plane standard fuel fittings
They are inserted into a hole in plastic fuel tanks. They are a fuel proof
rubber like material. After they are inserted a metal fuel fitting is
pressed into the bushing which locks the bushing in place and makes the
assembly highly leak resistant. They do require that the proper sized hole
is drilled, that is the hole is carefully debured, and the fuel fitting is
lightly lubricated when it is installed.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 08/06/13 |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
Bob
Also Kolb, Aircraft Spruce, or any of the ultralight parts venders.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Gary Aman wrote:
> Bob
> JBM has them.Buy them on line,get them in 2-3 days
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org>
> To: kolb-list
> Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 2:43 pm
> Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 08/06/13
>
>
> Rick:
> Where do you order these press fit bushings?
> Thanks.
> Bob
>
> From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com
> >
>
> George
>
> The press fit bushings are ultralight/light plane standard fuel fittings
> They are inserted into a hole in plastic fuel tanks. They are a fuel proof
> rubber like material. After they are inserted a metal fuel fitting is
> pressed into the bushing which locks the bushing in place and makes the
> assembly highly leak resistant. They do require that the proper sized hole
> is drilled, that is the hole is carefully debured, and the fuel fitting is
> lightly lubricated when it is installed.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: Need explanation of fuel system w/dual 5gal pickups |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
George/All
I was just looking up the fuel bushings we were talking about. I found a
supplier that makes a viton bushing that they claim is more resistant to
the ethanol in our fuels. See the following link then go to page 18. On the
same page they sell a gascolator that has a quick drain that is real good
to put in the lowest part of your fuel system before the filter and fuel
pump. Also on page 17 they sell a fuel fitting (that I use) for use with
the bushings that has a finger strainer and a shut off valve.
http://onlinecatalog.leadingedgeairfoils.com/skin/entrymap/entrymap_singlebook.asp?SkinId=7.1.6.20
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Rick Neilsen wrote:
> George
>
> The press fit bushings are ultralight/light plane standard fuel fittings
> They are inserted into a hole in plastic fuel tanks. They are a fuel proof
> rubber like material. After they are inserted a metal fuel fitting is
> pressed into the bushing which locks the bushing in place and makes the
> assembly highly leak resistant. They do require that the proper sized hole
> is drilled, that is the hole is carefully debured, and the fuel fitting is
> lightly lubricated when it is installed.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:51 AM, George Bearden wrote:
>
>>
>> > I use the press fit bushings in the standard Kolb plastic tanks
>>
>> I am not 100% sure I know what you mean here. Is 'press fit' the gadget
>> that
>> is held in place in the hole by a neoprene grommet? It is a short tube
>> with
>> a sort of barb on the end so the fuel line won't come off?
>>
>> > Venting. Something I haven't seen discussed on the forum is venting that
>> will not become a drain
>>
>> The circle track racers wind the vent tube around the tank 2-3 times.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| From: | Tim Bjork <tdbjork(at)gmail.com> |
I have been reading the discussion about fuel tank systems. I fly the
Firestar 11, and found the same problems with the top fuel draw system. The
aircraft fly's with the tail high, so the tanks are not level in flight the
rear tank will run dry before the front one will, and as soon as the the
rear tank runs dry and starts to suck air the engine will stop due to fuel
starvation. So I decided to go to the bottom delivery system. I personally
did not like the rubber push-in tank grommet in the bottom of the tank, I
must say I have never heard of this system failing, but I did find this
"Tank Access Bulkhead" in CPS cat. p/n 8561for $12.95 and the "Threaded
Hose Barb" p/n 8521 for $1.59, for me to have piece-of-mind that is was
screwed together and it made it easy to add a gascolator too.
Fly safe.. Tim
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| From: | Jack <pcarillonsr(at)neo.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
On 8/11/2013 11:23 AM, Tim Bjork wrote:
> I have been reading the discussion about fuel tank systems. I fly the
> Firestar 11, and found the same problems with the top fuel draw
> system. The aircraft fly's with the tail high, so the tanks are not
> level in flight the rear tank will run dry before the front one will,
> and as soon as the the rear tank runs dry and starts to suck air the
> engine will stop due to fuel starvation. So I decided to go to the
> bottom delivery system. I personally did not like the rubber push-in
> tank grommet in the bottom of the tank, I must say I have never heard
> of this system failing, but I did find this "Tank Access Bulkhead" in
> CPS cat. p/n 8561for $12.95 and the "Threaded Hose Barb" p/n 8521 for
> $1.59, for me to have piece-of-mind that is was screwed together and
> it made it easy to add a gascolator too.
> Fly safe.. Tim
Some years back someone posted of a way to empty the rear tank
first by not venting the front tank and running a fuel pickup thru the
top of the rear tank into the top of the front tank then venting only
the back tank. It will empty the rear tank first then act as the vent
for the front tank. Who ever it was said it worked fine.
Just a though!!
Jack Carillon FS II Akron Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
| From: | blong6826 <blong6826(at)sbcglobal.net> |
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Systems |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Not to beat a dead horse but I have a Flightstar IISC in the shop for an
annual right now. I was in the process of rewinding the bungee cords on the
main gear and had to move the fuel tap on the bottom of the tank to get
access to the left main gear. All I did was twist the push in fitting
slightly and it began to drip gas. Nothing I could do would stop it once it
had started, yet I could see no evidence of previous leakage. I drained the
tank and removed the fuel grommet. Sure enough, it was split. I guess all
it took was moving the fitting to finish off the split. Thankfully I had
new grommets in stock and it didn't happen while the owner was out flying
around as there is no fuel gauge in the aircraft.
Not that bottom taps are bad, they're just one more inspection item.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM, blong6826 wrote:
> I have a firefly and use a 2 1/2 tank behind the 5 and I use the second
> tank as vent it empties first works great.
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jack <pcarillonsr(at)neo.rr.com>
> Date: 08/11/2013 2:20 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Systems
>
>
> On 8/11/2013 11:23 AM, Tim Bjork wrote:
>
> I have been reading the discussion about fuel tank systems. I fly the
> Firestar 11, and found the same problems with the top fuel draw system. The
> aircraft fly's with the tail high, so the tanks are not level in flight the
> rear tank will run dry before the front one will, and as soon as the the
> rear tank runs dry and starts to suck air the engine will stop due to fuel
> starvation. So I decided to go to the bottom delivery system. I personally
> did not like the rubber push-in tank grommet in the bottom of the tank, I
> must say I have never heard of this system failing, but I did find this
> "Tank Access Bulkhead" in CPS cat. p/n 8561for $12.95 and the "Threaded
> Hose Barb" p/n 8521 for $1.59, for me to have piece-of-mind that is was
> screwed together and it made it easy to add a gascolator too.
> Fly safe.. Tim
>
>
> Some years back someone posted of a way to empty the rear tank first by
> not venting the front tank and running a fuel pickup thru the top of the
> rear tank into the top of the front tank then venting only the back tank.
> It will empty the rear tank first then act as the vent for the front
> tank. Who ever it was said it worked fine.
> Just a though!!
>
> Jack Carillon FS II Akron Ohio
>
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| Subject: | Giving a friend a ride |
| From: | "Larlaeb" <larlaeb(at)gmail.com> |
Took a friend of mine up for ride. He has the hanger next to mine and owns an
Avid Flyer. I was interested to hear his comments. He took some video and seemed
to enjoy himself. The link to the YouTube video is below:
http://youtu.be/2m4nv3jy5g4
Thanks,
Allan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406523#406523
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I just got my notice for re-registration. It states that it is due Sept
1st, but that the registration expires on Jan 31, 2014. It also states that
the renewal fee must arrive before Nov 30th and the early filing will not
affect the new expiration date. Do I correctly recall that someone else had
a problem with filing early?
Thanks
Larry
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| From: | "Beauford " <beauford173(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
Brother Cottrell:
Some free (almost gratis) advice, sir. Kindly excuse me if you already know
about this distinction.
Be thou exceedingly cautious in this process, lest you fall into
the same federal mudhole 'ol Beauford did. Your e-mail mentioned
"re-registration" .
The correct terminology here is "registration renewal", not
"re-registration"..
The proper form is the AC Form 8050-1B for renewal, and NOT the
AC Form 8050-1A, which addresses re-registration of an acft.
The fun-loving lads in Oklahoma sent back my One-Alfa Re-Registration form
along with a mildly insulting letter
and a copy of the blank "renewal" form one bravo, with which I was invited
to repent (and send five more bucks).
I promised to reform myself, executed the One-Bravo form, and re-sent the
Oakie Caesar his re-due.
This item is submitted in hopes of preventing any other Listers from making
the same dumb error I did.
Worth what ye paid fer it.
beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
If you forward this e-mail, please remove my name before sending it... I
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Subject: Kolb-List: Registration
I just got my notice for re-registration. It states that it is due Sept 1st,
but that the registration expires on Jan 31, 2014. It also states that the
renewal fee must arrive before Nov 30th and the early filing will not affect
the new expiration date. Do I correctly recall that someone else had a
problem with filing early?
Thanks
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Registration |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Beauford, I have already sent in my renewal although the link that
they provided to do so did not work on my computer, :-/ go figure! I went
to bing and apparently got lucky and typed in the proper wording. I just
checked my copy and it appears that I might have gotten lucky and did it
right.
Larry
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Beauford wrot
e:
> Brother Cottrell:****
>
> ** **
>
> Some free (almost gratis) advice, sir=85 Kindly excuse me if you already
> know about this distinction.****
>
> ** **
>
> Be thou exceedingly cautious in this process, lest you fall into****
>
> the same federal mudhole =91ol Beauford did=85 Your e-mail mentioned
> =93re-registration=94 =85****
>
> ** **
>
> The correct terminology here is =93registration *renewal*=94, not
> =93re-registration=94=85.****
>
> ** **
>
> The proper form is the AC Form 8050-1B for renewal, and *NOT* the ****
>
> AC Form 8050-1A, which addresses re-registration of an acft.****
>
> ** **
>
> The fun-loving lads in Oklahoma sent back my One-Alfa Re-Registration for
m
> along with a mildly insulting letter****
>
> and a copy of the blank =93renewal=94 form one bravo, with which I was in
vited
> to repent (and send five more bucks).****
>
> ** **
>
> I promised to reform myself, executed the One-Bravo form, and re-sent th
e
> Oakie Caesar his re-due=85****
>
> ** **
>
> This item is submitted in hopes of preventing any other Listers from
> making the same dumb error I did.****
>
> ** **
>
> Worth what ye paid fer it=85****
>
> ** **
>
> beauford****
>
> FF-076****
>
> Brandon, FL****
>
> ** **
>
> If you forward this e-mail, please remove my name before sending it... I
> promise to do the same for you...****
>
> Thanks...****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Cottrell
>
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Registration****
>
> ** **
>
> I just got my notice for re-registration. It states that it is due Sept
> 1st, but that the registration expires on Jan 31, 2014. It also states th
at
> the renewal fee must arrive before Nov 30th and the early filing will not
> affect the new expiration date. Do I correctly recall that someone else h
ad
> a problem with filing early?****
>
> ** **
>
>
> Thanks****
>
> Larry
> ****
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| Subject: | Re: Registration |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Larry, Beauford, et al, Are you guys not getting the notice with the eight
digit code for online renewal? I put in my N number and the code and the
form filled itself out. All I had to do was verify that none of the
information had changed and give them my Visa number and expiration date.
Because I did it so late I printed out a copy of the receipt to carry with
me just in case, but my new registration came in the mail six days later.
Rick Girard
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Larry Cottrell wr
ote:
> Thanks Beauford, I have already sent in my renewal although the link that
> they provided to do so did not work on my computer, :-/ go figure! I went
> to bing and apparently got lucky and typed in the proper wording. I just
> checked my copy and it appears that I might have gotten lucky and did it
> right.
> Larry
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Beauford wr
ote:
>
>> Brother Cottrell:****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Some free (almost gratis) advice, sir=85 Kindly excuse me if you already
>> know about this distinction.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Be thou exceedingly cautious in this process, lest you fall into****
>>
>> the same federal mudhole =91ol Beauford did=85 Your e-mail mentioned
>> =93re-registration=94 =85****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The correct terminology here is =93registration *renewal*=94, not
>> =93re-registration=94=85.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The proper form is the AC Form 8050-1B for renewal, and *NOT* the ****
>>
>> AC Form 8050-1A, which addresses re-registration of an acft.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The fun-loving lads in Oklahoma sent back my One-Alfa Re-Registration
>> form along with a mildly insulting letter****
>>
>> and a copy of the blank =93renewal=94 form one bravo, with which I was
>> invited to repent (and send five more bucks).****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I promised to reform myself, executed the One-Bravo form, and re-sent
>> the Oakie Caesar his re-due=85****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> This item is submitted in hopes of preventing any other Listers from
>> making the same dumb error I did.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Worth what ye paid fer it=85****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> beauford****
>>
>> FF-076****
>>
>> Brandon, FL****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If you forward this e-mail, please remove my name before sending it...
>> I promise to do the same for you...****
>>
>> Thanks...****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Larry Cottrell
>>
>> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Registration****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I just got my notice for re-registration. It states that it is due Sept
>> 1st, but that the registration expires on Jan 31, 2014. It also states t
hat
>> the renewal fee must arrive before Nov 30th and the early filing will no
t
>> affect the new expiration date. Do I correctly recall that someone else
had
>> a problem with filing early?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>> Thanks****
>>
>> Larry
>> ****
>>
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>>
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Okay guys, I'm ready to roll.
Looking to buy a nice, well-made and well-equipped Xtra, preferably in the NE part
of our country. Parachute & transponder would be a big plus.
Not interested in a half-fnished kit, or a doggy aircraft.
Please write!
Russ K
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| From: | "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net> |
Oh really, are you sure this time???????????
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Rick Lewis
(VW Watercooled Engine)
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| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
Rick, have a little consideration for all the people reading this list. If you
have any more snide comments send them to me off-list
Thanx
Russ K
do nit archive
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| From: | "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net> |
Sorry Russ and all, you are right. Good luck in finding your plane, I'm sure you
will find the Kolb a wonderful plane to fly. I have decided to finish and
fly mine, can't wait. I'm doing a lot of painting on it right now and once the
engine is reinstalled I will be ready. Of course I do still have to buy a prop.
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Rick Lewis
(VW Watercooled Engine)
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| Subject: | Re: Registration |
did my renewal same as Rick Girard...worked excellent...got new
registration in mail...
Jim Swan Kolb Firestar ll, G
(https://In a message dated 8/13/2013 7:38:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com writes:Larry, Beauford, et al, Are you guys not getting
the notice with the eight digit code for online renewal? I put in my N
number and the code and the form filled itself out. All I had to do was verify
that none of the information had changed and give them my Visa number and
expiration date. Because I did it so late I printed out a copy of the receipt to
carry with me just in case, but my new registration came in the mail six
days later. Rick GirardOn Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Larry Cottrell <)
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Mounting light on Rudder? |
Hello Kolbers,
I am wondering if anyone has mounted a light on the trailing edge or top of
the Rudder? If so how did you do it, and how did it work out?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
Kolbra 607AK
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting light on Rudder? |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Never did it, but ill recommend you go with the top mount as the trailing ed
ge mount would increase the chance of flutter.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting light on Rudder? |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that
if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the
chance of FLUTTER. Not Recommended.
My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer.
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Jerry King
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting light on Rudder? |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
My MKIII needed a counterbalance to stop the rudder flutter, probably due to the
addition of a light. If I had it to do over again, I would have mounted one
on each wing tip instead. Here are the pictures and description of the light and
counterbalance:
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg6.htm
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting light on Rudder? |
| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
When Cessna mounted a light on the trailing edge of the rudder, you can bet they
BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter.
They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balance to
compensate for this very slight weight difference.
This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control
surface in a couple of seconds.
Russ K
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| From: | mark rinehart <capt_riney(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone have a POH for a Mk3 Classic that I can use (will modify the V-speed
numbers for my airplane)?-Thanks.-
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mounting light on Rudder? |
if I remember... the regs say that the light should be mounted on the
most rear part of the air craft... that way the light can be seen
from any angle with out being blanked out.
if you don=99t want to add the chance of flutter... make a
bracket for the light and mount it to the forward part of the tail wheel
support rod where vibration would be at a minimum.
boyd
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remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that
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| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
https://vimeo.com/72565099 password owyheeflyer
A short flight to check a recent fire at the base of the Steens Mtn. While
I was flying my EIS alarm went off at 7000 feet altitude. My oil pressure
jumped to 99 lbs.
Larry
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| From: | Frank <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Hi Larry,
Please keep us HKS users in the
Loop when you find out what happened. Good luck.
Frank
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 17, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> https://vimeo.com/72565099 password owyheeflyer
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> A short flight to check a recent fire at the base of the Steens Mtn. While
I was flying my EIS alarm went off at 7000 feet altitude. My oil pressure j
umped to 99 lbs.
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