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December 19, 2013 - January 24, 2014
>
> While walking the booths at Oshkosh, I found Kolb. I knew of them, but
> not about them. When I discovered they folded up, I got very interested.
> Visiting with Bryan and Travis was like a breath of fresh air, with a hin
t
> of used car salesman thrown in. But what the heck, that is their job. I
> found them to be friendly, and straight forward. I did not commit at
> Oshkosh, but thought about the Firefly all the way home and spent an enti
re
> day on the internet researching the plane and the company. I could not
> find any disparaging remarks AT ALL! I bit the bullet and ordered my kit
.
>
>
> Kolb has been a delight to work with, and I expect to be in much closer
> contact with them as I get into the process of finishing the Firefly.
> Based on my experiences so far, I expect this is going to be fairly easy
> and lots of fun. I have no worries about getting support from the factor
y.
>
>
> I have not made an engine decision yet, but will be ordering the covering
> kit soon. I helped a friend cover and paint his Fisher Classic with
> Polyfiber products several years ago and was so impressed, I don=92t thin
k I
> will use anything else. Anyone want to try and persuade me differently?
> Please let me hear from you.
>
>
> I am leaning towards the Hirth 2702 with a Warp Drive 3 blade, but again,
> I want to hear from others.
>
>
> One last note, I really liked the delivery service by Partain. I had not
> heard of them, but Travis at Kolb made all the arrangements. I could not
> have gotten the kit here by any other means for less $ and it was hassle
> free. I would definitely use them again. Thanks to Tony Partain and
> driver Michael!
>
>
> I have perused the forums and am hoping to start quite a lot of
> conversation about the Firefly.
>
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
>
> Stuart Harner
>
> Central North Dakota
>
>
> P.S. Anyone want a partially completed Loehle 5151 Kit? I certainly
> don=92t need it anymore, I have a FIREFLY!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/18/13 |
| From: | Ted Cowan <tc1917(at)bellsouth.net> |
I wouldnt put a hirth on a golf cart! I personally know of two that almost turned
the planes into scrap. One fried pistons twice and brought the plane down
and the other, hangered right here with me , cracked the casing next to the
head in flight. Metel seems to be too soft to hold bolts from what i hear. Do
a lot of ckecking. My buddy would be happy tp part with his very cheap. They
offered to fix it for abt a thousand
My opinions and observations. Ted Cowan slingshot 912 ul zoom zoom
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> 1. 03:17 PM - Re: Tee wagon (Rick Lewis)
> 2. 05:27 PM - Firefly/introduction (Stuart Harner)
> 3. 09:06 PM - Re: Firefly/introduction (Larry Cottrell)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tee wagon
> From: "Rick Lewis" <cktman(at)wildblue.net>
>
>
> I like it, good job, thanks for the picture....
>
> --------
> Rick Lewis
>
> (VW Watercooled Engine)
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>
> From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly/introduction
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
>
> My Firefly quick build kit arrived today. Partain Transportation delivered
> it from the factory. I must say, I don't think there was any way to get it
> here for less money and less hassle. The kit is excellent in workmanship
> and there is no way I could have done it as quickly or as well as the
> factory did. For me the quick build option is definitely the way to go.
>
>
> I would be most interested in hearing from other Firefly owners on any
> subject from the kit, covering, painting, or engine selection to flying
> characteristics.
>
>
> A little about me:
>
>
> I learned to fly in an Aeronca LB-65 Pre-War Chief as a teenager. I owned
> and flew a '63 Piper Cherokee 180 for a little over ten years and loved that
> airplane! Alas, it became too expensive to keep when my flying habits
> changed and cross country travel became a thing of the past. I flew the
> Chief for a few years, but life changes made that more difficult and the
> cost of owning a hanger and plane kept climbing, although my yearly logbook
> entries kept shrinking. I finally sold the Chief this spring and started
> looking for an ulta-light that I could keep and fly nearby. The hangar is
> gone too, so storage in a trailer was one of my prime requirements.
>
>
> Initially I was very intrigued by the BackYard Flyer. I contacted the
> company and was very excited to visit with them at Oshkosh, fully prepared
> to order one while there. I was greatly disappointed by the fact that they
> did not even bring a partially build unit to show off at Oshkosh. It seemed
> as though I was intruding on their family vacation by asking questions. I
> liked the design and the price, but wanted to see one fly and get a good
> firsthand look at the product. Delivery time was quoted at over a year and
> there were no versions near me to look at. I left my contact information
> with the company with promises to put me in touch with other owners so that
> I may find out more. I never heard a word from them.
>
>
> While walking the booths at Oshkosh, I found Kolb. I knew of them, but not
> about them. When I discovered they folded up, I got very interested.
> Visiting with Bryan and Travis was like a breath of fresh air, with a hint
> of used car salesman thrown in. But what the heck, that is their job. I
> found them to be friendly, and straight forward. I did not commit at
> Oshkosh, but thought about the Firefly all the way home and spent an entire
> day on the internet researching the plane and the company. I could not find
> any disparaging remarks AT ALL! I bit the bullet and ordered my kit.
>
>
> Kolb has been a delight to work with, and I expect to be in much closer
> contact with them as I get into the process of finishing the Firefly. Based
> on my experiences so far, I expect this is going to be fairly easy and lots
> of fun. I have no worries about getting support from the factory.
>
>
> I have not made an engine decision yet, but will be ordering the covering
> kit soon. I helped a friend cover and paint his Fisher Classic with
> Polyfiber products several years ago and was so impressed, I don't think I
> will use anything else. Anyone want to try and persuade me differently?
> Please let me hear from you.
>
>
> I am leaning towards the Hirth 2702 with a Warp Drive 3 blade, but again, I
> want to hear from others.
>
>
> One last note, I really liked the delivery service by Partain. I had not
> heard of them, but Travis at Kolb made all the arrangements. I could not
> have gotten the kit here by any other means for less $ and it was hassle
> free. I would definitely use them again. Thanks to Tony Partain and driver
> Michael!
>
>
> I have perused the forums and am hoping to start quite a lot of conversation
> about the Firefly.
>
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
>
> Stuart Harner
>
> Central North Dakota
>
>
> P.S. Anyone want a partially completed Loehle 5151 Kit? I certainly don't
> need it anymore, I have a FIREFLY!!!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly/introduction
> From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
>
> It appears that all the experts are busy, so I will at least acknowledge
> that your question was seen at least by one. First congratulations on your
> smart choice. I believe that you will love the little bird. However unless
> there has been some serious changes with Hirth I would do a lot of checking
> before I committed to it. I have no solid evidence against them, other than
> the experiences of a couple of friends, which were not all that good.
> Good luck,
> Larry
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stuart Harner wrote
> :
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>>
>> My Firefly quick build kit arrived today. Partain Transportation
>> delivered it from the factory. I must say, I don=92t think there was any
> way
>> to get it here for less money and less hassle. The kit is excellent in
>> workmanship and there is no way I could have done it as quickly or as wel
> l
>> as the factory did. For me the quick build option is definitely the way
> to
>> go.
>>
>>
>> I would be most interested in hearing from other Firefly owners on any
>> subject from the kit, covering, painting, or engine selection to flying
>> characteristics.
>>
>>
>> A little about me:
>>
>>
>> I learned to fly in an Aeronca LB-65 Pre-War Chief as a teenager. I owne
> d
>> and flew a =9263 Piper Cherokee 180 for a little over ten years and loved
>> that airplane! Alas, it became too expensive to keep when my flying habi
> ts
>> changed and cross country travel became a thing of the past. I flew the
>> Chief for a few years, but life changes made that more difficult and the
>> cost of owning a hanger and plane kept climbing, although my yearly logbo
> ok
>> entries kept shrinking. I finally sold the Chief this spring and started
>> looking for an ulta-light that I could keep and fly nearby. The hangar i
> s
>> gone too, so storage in a trailer was one of my prime requirements.
>>
>>
>> Initially I was very intrigued by the BackYard Flyer. I contacted the
>> company and was very excited to visit with them at Oshkosh, fully prepare
> d
>> to order one while there. I was greatly disappointed by the fact that th
> ey
>> did not even bring a partially build unit to show off at Oshkosh. It
>> seemed as though I was intruding on their family vacation by asking
>> questions. I liked the design and the price, but wanted to see one fly a
> nd
>> get a good firsthand look at the product. Delivery time was quoted at ov
> er
>> a year and there were no versions near me to look at. I left my contact
>> information with the company with promises to put me in touch with other
>> owners so that I may find out more. I never heard a word from them.
>>
>>
>> While walking the booths at Oshkosh, I found Kolb. I knew of them, but
>> not about them. When I discovered they folded up, I got very interested.
>> Visiting with Bryan and Travis was like a breath of fresh air, with a hin
> t
>> of used car salesman thrown in. But what the heck, that is their job. I
>> found them to be friendly, and straight forward. I did not commit at
>> Oshkosh, but thought about the Firefly all the way home and spent an enti
> re
>> day on the internet researching the plane and the company. I could not
>> find any disparaging remarks AT ALL! I bit the bullet and ordered my kit
> ..
>>
>>
>> Kolb has been a delight to work with, and I expect to be in much closer
>> contact with them as I get into the process of finishing the Firefly.
>> Based on my experiences so far, I expect this is going to be fairly easy
>> and lots of fun. I have no worries about getting support from the factor
> y.
>>
>>
>> I have not made an engine decision yet, but will be ordering the covering
>> kit soon. I helped a friend cover and paint his Fisher Classic with
>> Polyfiber products several years ago and was so impressed, I don=92t thin
> k I
>> will use anything else. Anyone want to try and persuade me differently?
>> Please let me hear from you.
>>
>>
>> I am leaning towards the Hirth 2702 with a Warp Drive 3 blade, but again,
>> I want to hear from others.
>>
>>
>> One last note, I really liked the delivery service by Partain. I had not
>> heard of them, but Travis at Kolb made all the arrangements. I could not
>> have gotten the kit here by any other means for less $ and it was hassle
>> free. I would definitely use them again. Thanks to Tony Partain and
>> driver Michael!
>>
>>
>> I have perused the forums and am hoping to start quite a lot of
>> conversation about the Firefly.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>>
>>
>> Stuart Harner
>>
>> Central North Dakota
>>
>>
>> P.S. Anyone want a partially completed Loehle 5151 Kit? I certainly
>> don=92t need it anymore, I have a FIREFLY!!!
>>
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/introduction |
Stuart
Congrats on the Kolb. You're going to love it! I don't have any experience
with the Hirth engines, but I think a Rotax 447 would certainly be a great
fit, and they are available for very little money. Also, I preach the gospe
l of latex paint. Polyfiber is a great product, but if cost or health conce
rns are an issue you might have a look at latex. Here's a link to some info
rmation on it if you're interested. http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/L
atex.htm . And, here's a link to my Kolb MKII page. You might find the trai
ler interesting. http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/kolb.htm
Best of luck on the new project
Malcolm Morrison
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From: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:05:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly/introduction
It appears that all the experts are busy, so I will at least acknowledge th
at your question was seen at least by one. First congratulations on your sm
art choice. I believe that you will love the little bird. However unless th
ere has been some serious changes with Hirth I would do a lot of checking b
efore I committed to it. I have no solid evidence against them, other than
the experiences of a couple of friends, which were not all that good.
Good luck,
Larry
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Stuart Harner < stuart(at)harnerfarm.net > wr
ote:
Hello Everyone,
My Firefly quick build kit arrived today. Partain Transportation delivered
it from the factory. I must say, I don=99t think there was any way to
get it here for less money and less hassle. The kit is excellent in workma
nship and there is no way I could have done it as quickly or as well as the
factory did. For me the quick build option is definitely the way to go.
I would be most interested in hearing from other Firefly owners on any subj
ect from the kit, covering, painting, or engine selection to flying charact
eristics.
A little about me:
I learned to fly in an Aeronca LB-65 Pre-War Chief as a teenager. I owned a
nd flew a =9963 Piper Cherokee 180 for a little over ten years and lo
ved that airplane! Alas, it became too expensive to keep when my flying hab
its changed and cross country travel became a thing of the past. I flew the
Chief for a few years, but life changes made that more difficult and the c
ost of owning a hanger and plane kept climbing, although my yearly logbook
entries kept shrinking. I finally sold the Chief this spring and started lo
oking for an ulta-light that I could keep and fly nearby. The hangar is gon
e too, so storage in a trailer was one of my prime requirements.
Initially I was very intrigued by the BackYard Flyer. I contacted the compa
ny and was very excited to visit with them at Oshkosh, fully prepared to or
der one while there. I was greatly disappointed by the fact that they did n
ot even bring a partially build unit to show off at Oshkosh. It seemed as t
hough I was intruding on their family vacation by asking questions. I liked
the design and the price, but wanted to see one fly and get a good firstha
nd look at the product. Delivery time was quoted at over a year and there w
ere no versions near me to look at. I left my contact information with the
company with promises to put me in touch with other owners so that I may fi
nd out more. I never heard a word from them.
While walking the booths at Oshkosh, I found Kolb. I knew of them, but not
about them. When I discovered they folded up, I got very interested. Visiti
ng with Bryan and Travis was like a breath of fresh air, with a hint of use
d car salesman thrown in. But what the heck, that is their job. I found the
m to be friendly, and straight forward. I did not commit at Oshkosh, but th
ought about the Firefly all the way home and spent an entire day on the int
ernet researching the plane and the company. I could not find any disparagi
ng remarks AT ALL! I bit the bullet and ordered my kit.
Kolb has been a delight to work with, and I expect to be in much closer con
tact with them as I get into the process of finishing the Firefly. Based on
my experiences so far, I expect this is going to be fairly easy and lots o
f fun. I have no worries about getting support from the factory.
I have not made an engine decision yet, but will be ordering the covering k
it soon. I helped a friend cover and paint his Fisher Classic with Polyfibe
r products several years ago and was so impressed, I don=99t think I
will use anything else. Anyone want to try and persuade me differently? Ple
ase let me hear from you.
I am leaning towards the Hirth 2702 with a Warp Drive 3 blade, but again, I
want to hear from others.
One last note, I really liked the delivery service by Partain. I had not he
ard of them, but Travis at Kolb made all the arrangements. I could not have
gotten the kit here by any other means for less $ and it was hassle free.
I would definitely use them again. Thanks to Tony Partain and driver Michae
l!
I have perused the forums and am hoping to start quite a lot of conversatio
n about the Firefly.
Thanks for your consideration.
Stuart Harner
Central North Dakota
P.S. Anyone want a partially completed Loehle 5151 Kit? I certainly don
=99t need it anymore, I have a FIREFLY!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly/introduction |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Welcome aboard and congrats on your new toy!
You'll love the sporty handling of the Firefly, I flew a friends 447 powered
Fly a couple years ago and it was a plane that made me want to stay up till
I ran out of gas. Stalls were so fun that my wife actually called me on the
radio and said to knock it off. Very responsive and nimble and speedy as an
ultralight can get. I hope to have one of my own someday.
As far as engine choice, I would have to say the 447 is a no brainer, makes i
f a real hotrod.
Of course a freshly rebuilt old 377 Rotax would also be tempting and very ec
onomical.
As always, make sure to do transition training in a two seat Kolb before you
r first flight as these light weight high drag types are a different animal t
han you are used to.
Enjoy the build.
And put me in the Poly Fiber camp. Jim and Dondi at aircraft tech support ar
e wonderful folks.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:27 PM, "Stuart Harner" wrote
:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> My Firefly quick build kit arrived today. Partain Transportation delivere
d it from the factory. I must say, I don=99t think there was any way t
o get it here for less money and less hassle. The kit is excellent in workm
anship and there is no way I could have done it as quickly or as well as the
factory did. For me the quick build option is definitely the way to go.
>
> I would be most interested in hearing from other Firefly owners on any sub
ject from the kit, covering, painting, or engine selection to flying charact
eristics.
>
> A little about me:
>
> I learned to fly in an Aeronca LB-65 Pre-War Chief as a teenager. I owned
and flew a =9963 Piper Cherokee 180 for a little over ten years and l
oved that airplane! Alas, it became too expensive to keep when my flying ha
bits changed and cross country travel became a thing of the past. I flew th
e Chief for a few years, but life changes made that more difficult and the c
ost of owning a hanger and plane kept climbing, although my yearly logbook e
ntries kept shrinking. I finally sold the Chief this spring and started loo
king for an ulta-light that I could keep and fly nearby. The hangar is gone
too, so storage in a trailer was one of my prime requirements.
>
> Initially I was very intrigued by the BackYard Flyer. I contacted the com
pany and was very excited to visit with them at Oshkosh, fully prepared to o
rder one while there. I was greatly disappointed by the fact that they did n
ot even bring a partially build unit to show off at Oshkosh. It seemed as t
hough I was intruding on their family vacation by asking questions. I liked
the design and the price, but wanted to see one fly and get a good firsthan
d look at the product. Delivery time was quoted at over a year and there we
re no versions near me to look at. I left my contact information with the c
ompany with promises to put me in touch with other owners so that I may find
out more. I never heard a word from them.
>
> While walking the booths at Oshkosh, I found Kolb. I knew of them, but no
t about them. When I discovered they folded up, I got very interested. Vis
iting with Bryan and Travis was like a breath of fresh air, with a hint of u
sed car salesman thrown in. But what the heck, that is their job. I found t
hem to be friendly, and straight forward. I did not commit at Oshkosh, but t
hought about the Firefly all the way home and spent an entire day on the int
ernet researching the plane and the company. I could not find any disparagi
ng remarks AT ALL! I bit the bullet and ordered my kit.
>
> Kolb has been a delight to work with, and I expect to be in much closer co
ntact with them as I get into the process of finishing the Firefly. Based o
n my experiences so far, I expect this is going to be fairly easy and lots o
f fun. I have no worries about getting support from the factory.
>
> I have not made an engine decision yet, but will be ordering the covering k
it soon. I helped a friend cover and paint his Fisher Classic with Polyfibe
r products several years ago and was so impressed, I don=99t think I w
ill use anything else. Anyone want to try and persuade me differently? Ple
ase let me hear from you.
>
> I am leaning towards the Hirth 2702 with a Warp Drive 3 blade, but again, I
want to hear from others.
>
> One last note, I really liked the delivery service by Partain. I had not h
eard of them, but Travis at Kolb made all the arrangements. I could not hav
e gotten the kit here by any other means for less $ and it was hassle free.
I would definitely use them again. Thanks to Tony Partain and driver Micha
el!
>
> I have perused the forums and am hoping to start quite a lot of conversati
on about the Firefly.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Stuart Harner
> Central North Dakota
>
> P.S. Anyone want a partially completed Loehle 5151 Kit? I certainly don
=99t need it anymore, I have a FIREFLY!!!
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly/introduction |
| From: | "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com> |
Rotax,
PolyFiber
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415853#415853
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/18/13 |
CONGRATULATIONS! Stuart.
Thanks for sharing.
I would definitely go with Poli-fiber from Aircraft Technical Support. They give
the same great service as Travis and Bryan and Dennis.
All-around great folk involved in producing, building, flying and supplying, etc.
Kolbs. Thank God for Mr Kolb.
Have a Blessed Christmas as you begin building.
Bob
MKIIIX< Great Plains VW w/re-drive
N830PB
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| From: | "Beauford " <beauford173(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Firefly/introduction |
Welcome to the list, Brother Harner.
I believe you will find a number of Kolbers on this list who will assure you
that you made a good choice in selecting the Fly,
and an even wiser choice in having the good lads in London execute the
quick-build for you. They are well known for their
high quality work/support and your expression of satisfaction with their
efforts is not unusual.
I ordered the kit from Pennsylvania Kolb and began building my Fly in '99
--- first flew it in the autumn of 2001. There is nothing kinky
about the building process and with your experience with Polyfiber, covering
it should be a piece of cake for you. The Kolb plans and
instruction manual are well done. If you don't have one, a copy of the
Stits manual might be another good resource to have
around.
I have had great luck with the EIS system.mine has been flawless since the
very first flight and the Grand Rapids folks are great
people who really support their product well. I do not hesitate to recommend
them.
To Hirth, or not to Hirth, may well prove to be the single most entertaining
aspect of your adventure. Were I hanging on the cusp of that one, I
would invest in a substantial amount of research out among those who are
actually operating Hirths before I committed. I have seen two
of them operate on Airport Manatee, both on trikes - suffice it to say they
both engines appeared to have "colorful" service records, matched with the
equally colorful vocabularies displayed by the individuals who were working
with them.
Do you plan to install a BRS chute?. I have a 750 canister model atop mine
and have no trouble with that installation.
Aside from your GA acft experience, you didn't mention whether you had spent
any time fooling around with low-inertia machines like
the Kolbs. They be different. By the time you get ready to commit aviation
with yours, you will have suffered plenty of free advice about
the unique manner in which they can decelerate when the power is pulled off.
Think of a fast ball pitcher delivering a wadded up Kleenex.
Your old LB-65 would have gotten to home plate. trust me, the Kleenex will
not. You might want to consider finding someone with
a two-place Kolb and planning for an hour or two of touch and goes, just for
drill... can't hurt.
You also did not mention how large a person you are.. I go about 210 to
215. With that stingy little 22 foot wing, and a pleasingly corpulent
driver such as myself, I have found that Fly aviation can, under certain
circumstances, tend to take on more of the characteristics of a ballistic
event, rather than the one with the puffy clouds and eagles I had envisioned
in my mind's eye as I was humming the "Right Stuff" theme and drilling holes
and pulling rivets
all those months. I have heard anecdotal evidence that humans of a more
reasonable bulk find the Fly to be a sprightly performer indeed.
Speaking of the 22 foot wing, I found, through experimentation that vortex
generators made a substantial positive difference in the performance
of the wing at stall. I ended up using the LandShorter units ; lowered the
stall by 4 mph indicated, but more significantly, enabled a more
buoyant feeling on the roundout flare for full stall arrivals. Flew the
first six years without them, wish I had added them sooner.
All that said, I really like my little bird. It is a sturdy, honest little
steed without a sneaky tube in its body once we established our respective
limits
and mutually agreed to live within them. I'll bet you are going to have a
lot of fun with yours.
This List, aside from what I dribble onto it, is a great source of
information and accumulated wisdom for a person building a Kolb.. There are
some very
experienced and innovative folks on here who will not hesitate to jump in
and share their knowledge with you if you hit
a building snag or want to consider an unusual option. Once again, welcome.
Worth what ye paid fer it.
beauford
FF-076, N173BW
Brandon, FL
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:27 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly/introduction
Hello Everyone,
My Firefly quick build kit arrived today. Partain Transportation delivered
it from the factory. I must say, I don't think there was any way to get it
here for less money and less hassle. The kit is excellent in workmanship
and there is no way I could have done it as quickly or as well as the
factory did. For me the quick build option is definitely the way to go.
I would be most interested in hearing from other Firefly owners on any
subject from the kit, covering, painting, or engine selection to flying
characteristics.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly/introduction |
I am in no way endorsing this engine and I do not have any experience with them
but here is another option to explore.
http://www.compactradialengines.com/mz201.html
the 447 sure does have a lot of history behind it
Have fun and be safe
Jason
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415859#415859
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/introduction |
Welcome to the Kolb Flyers and Builders List:
I've been doing this Kolb building and flying thing for a while, plus some
other flying before that. I have no problem remembering where I will spend
my time once my little airplane is up and flying. Right! In the air. A
very serious place to play. Gravity never goes away and Murphy never goes
to sleep.
I never realized how hard the ground was until the first time I crashed. It
was just as hard the second and third time.
I want the best of the best to fly and keep me in the air.
Flew with 2 strokes for the first 9 years on my Ultrastar, Firestar, and
MKIII experience. After the bullet proof 582 proved me wrong, I decided to
go 4 stroke and have never looked back in the past 29 years of flying in
front of 912's.
If I was serious about flying a Firestar or Firefly again, I'd probably go
with an HKS. Some of my Kolb friends fly with the HKS which has produced
good reliable power for them. 4 strokes are not bullet proof. Same for
certified recip engines and turbines. Normally, they are not the problem
when an engine out occurs, but some minor problem like, bad fuel, spark plug
wires, throttle cable, etc.
If I was going to fly a Firefly with a two stroke, I'd go with a 447, or
better yet, a 503 (assuming Kolb Aircraft would endorse a 503 on a Firefly).
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama - Going flying today to take advantage of some beautiful
weather and take some photos of my neighbors homes.
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| From: | william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/introduction |
- If I remember correctly, Jack Hart was trying an MZ engine.- I haven'
t seen any recent updates from him.=0A=0A-----------
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rek-tech.com>=0ATo: kolb-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, December 19,
2013 12:00 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly/introduction=0A =0A=0A-->
Kolb-List message posted by: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>=0A=0AI
am in no way endorsing this engine and I do not have any experience with t
hem but here is another option to explore.=0A=0Ahttp://www.compactradialeng
ines.com/mz201.html=0A=0Athe 447 sure does have a lot of history behind it
=0A=0AHave fun and be safe=0AJason=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online her
e:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415859#415859=0A=0A
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firefly/introduction |
Flew with 2 strokes for the first 9 years on my Ultrastar, Firestar, and
MKIII experience. After the bullet proof 582 proved me wrong, I decided to
go 4 stroke and have never looked back in the past 29 years of flying in
front of 912's.
******************************************
The above should have read "20 years". Not "29".
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly/introduction |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Shweww, I was hoping it hadn't been that long that the 912s been around. But still,
time flies.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> The above should have read "20 years". Not "29".
>
> john h
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly/introduction |
| From: | "t41pilot" <t41pilot(at)frontier.com> |
Congrats on the Firefly Purchase. I bought my kit a couple years ago and have
not regretted it. I had no prior knowledge of building, covering or painting and
was nevertheless quite pleased with my result. I must admit that I liked making
the parts better than the covering and paint. The poly fiber process was
not difficult, just time consuming. It was really forgiving if you didn't have
it exactly right. Most of the time I could shrink out any extra wrinkles
around the curves. The poly tone paint was easy to use. I just did my painting
horozontaly as much as possible and the paint just flowed out very smoothly.
That was just what this newbie needed. I don't have any knowledge of using latex
but you should research if there would be a weight difference between that
and poly-tone. I use a rotax 447 which makes this plane a hotrod for my 150 pound
body. I'm off the ground before the throttle is full.(Flying off a paved
runway) I also would highly recommend the Grand Rapids unit to monitor the engine.
Knowing what the EGT and CHT are doing is important. The GR unit is very
accurate. I used those readings to set my IVO prop to the right pitch. The unit
also has a warning light to let you know if anything is getting out of hand.
My EGT goes up very quickly when I unload the prop during flight (nose down
as one example) or if my rpms are in the midrange area for very long. Also the
weight of the finished firefly will likely be critical. I opted to go with
the standard no brakes, short windshield, no electric start kit and came in just
under the legal weight limit. I go to a lot of pancake breakfast fly-ins though
and don't see any ultralight police so you would probably be ok to do what
you want. Use your own judgment on that. I wish I had some brakes and may do
that someday but if you fly off grass, then brakes are not necessary. I have
some videos on You tube. There is a walkaround and some flying videos. Just
type my full name in the search field. I can't wait to build another plane.
Hope you e!
njoy you
rs.
Regards
--------
Gregg Kaat
2011 Firefly
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415875#415875
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| Subject: | Another "Kolb" Newby |
| From: | "sfrIII" <sfr3(at)speedyquick.net> |
Hi again everyone.
My name is Sam Ragland and I have been following this forum since @ May 2013.
Thats when I ordered my MarkIII Extra. I am happy to say that it finally arrived
on Dec.18 2013. My Engine of choice is a newly prepared Corvair that was
going to be used in another project. To date I have never seen a Corvair
used in this airframe, but with help from Travis and his welder and a mock up
engine complete with engine mount, a Corvair ready airframe was created for me.
Hope to get started soon.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415882#415882
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/corvair_engine1_998.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/corvair_engine2_645.jpg
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Another "Kolb" Newby |
Sam R/Kolbers:
I know you are excited about your new kit.
Good luck on your new project.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
My name is Sam Ragland and I have been following this forum since @ May
2013. Thats when I ordered my MarkIII Extra. I am happy to say that it
finally arrived on Dec.18 2013. My Engine of choice is a newly prepared
Corvair that was going to be used in another project. To date I have never
seen a Corvair used in this airframe, but with help from Travis and his
welder and a mock up engine complete with engine mount, a Corvair ready
airframe was created for me. Hope to get started soon.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415882#415882
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/corvair_engine1_998.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/corvair_engine2_645.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Another "Kolb" Newby |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
Beautiful engine! Having owned and built a number of Corvair engines over the years,
I like them a lot, but had imagined that at around 220 pounds or so, it
would be too heavy for a MKIII. Obviously not, if Travis is on board with the
plan, so can we see some pictures of the airframe mods?
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415904#415904
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
| Subject: | Oratex Fabric up date.... |
Hello Kolbers,
I am still intending to cover my Kolbra with Oratex 6000 this summer. A guy
by the name of Frank Knap covered his experimental J-3 with Oratex about two
years ago. Frank won the Valdez Fly in Short Landing and Take of
Championship with the J-3 last spring.
I met Frank at the airport fuel pumps this summer. He told me he was very
happy with the Oratex. It turned out to be a very easy application for him!
When Frank's wife, who is a big sewing fan, saw how easy Oratex was to work,
with she told Frank to get out of her way and she did most of the Fabric
work! He said he only helped when she need extra hands! She did a great job.
Sad end to the story is that Frank had a Hanger fire about a week ago and
lost his planes.
Enjoy,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
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| From: | TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Santa's Check Ride |
I laughed out loud when I saw this.=0A--- =0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/e
mbed/50vE47DGEy4?feature=player_detailpage=0A=0AEnjoy!=0A=0AArty=0A=0A-
=0Awww.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm=0A=0A=0A"Life's a daring
adventure or nothing"=0AHelen Keller=0A=0A=0A"I refuse to tip toe through l
ife just to arrive safely at death."
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| From: | mojavjoe(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | help with newly purchased firestar II |
=C2-
=C2-hi
=C2-
I recently purchased the firestar II resurrected in 2011 by Daryl Miller. I
have a few issues I hope you can help me with.
=C2-
1.=C2- I can't park the 2 bladed prop in the horizontal position and fold
the wings. With the wings folded the three inch prop extension=C2- puts
the bottom of the blade two inches below the top of the aileron tube.=C2-
I've been on the web and found a few blogs from the 90's that described ra
ising the front and/or back of a 503 but when I tried to go back I couldn't
find then. I've brought up pictures of Kolbs and in some of them the Rotex
's were raised to what appears to be two to three inches on=C2-standoffs
above the engine mounts. I don't want to go to the expense of a three blade
d prop and moving the prop will lower the roof of the trailer/hanger I'm bu
ilding twenty inches.
=C2-
2. I'm planning to do a new weight an balance and the only information I ca
n find is for the firestar in which the formula=C2-=C2-for % C.G.=C2-
is h x 100/64, h being resultant distance. In figuring the w & b for the fi
restar II Daryl Miller apparently used a divisor of=C2-61. Which is corre
ct?
=C2-
3.=C2- The designation is experimental exhibition, what is necessary to c
hange it to experimental light sport.
=C2-
4.=C2- The plane has no brakes.=C2- I'm looking at small motorcycle dis
k brakes, any suggestions .
=C2-
5.=C2- Could someone give me a description , measurements, and possibly p
lans for the hoop just behind the nosecone I've seen on several kolbs. Are
they made of aluminum or steel.
=C2-
6. My aileron is attached to the wing with a piano hinge. I read in an avia
tion monthly that an aileron seal was recommended. Do I need them, if so wh
at do they look like, how do I make them, and how do I attach them.
=C2-
I appreciate any help and thank you in advance
=C2-
mojavjoe
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| From: | Robert Gillisse <thermal_hunter2002(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Santa's Check Ride |
Strange sense of humor=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:48 PM, The
WanderingWench wrote:=0A =0AI laughed out lo
ud when I saw this.=0A--- =0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/embed/50vE47DGEy4
?feature=player_detailpage=0A=0AEnjoy!=0A=0AArty=0A=0A=0Awww.LessonsFromT
heEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm=0A=0A=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothin
g"=0AHelen Keller=0A=0A=0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive
========
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| Subject: | Re: Santa's Check Ride |
| From: | Frank <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> |
Funniest E-Mail I've seen in a while.
Frank
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 22, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Robert Gillisse w
rote:
> Strange sense of humor
>
>
> On Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:48 PM, TheWanderingWench @yahoo.com> wrote:
> I laughed out loud when I saw this.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/embed/50vE47DGEy4?feature=player_detailpage
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Arty
>
> www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure2009.htm
>
>
> "Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
> Helen Keller
>
>
> "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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| Subject: | Re: help with newly purchased firestar II |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
mojavjoe
I have a Kolb MKIII so my knowledge is a bit limited on a firestar II.
1. Most Kolbs have a high thrust line that causes pitch changes with
throttle changes. Our planes fly best with lowest possible thrust lines. I
was the first to put a VW on a mkIII, the initial thrust line was so high
that it was dangerous to fly. Raising the engine will
reduce performance and increase pitch changes with changes of throttle.
None of this is good so consider this change carefully.
5. Most Kolbs don't need the protective hoop. Just keep the stick back
below 10MPH and don't go for full throttle until after you get moving.
6. Gap seals are in the plans for all Kolbs. The instructions call for
fabric glued from the bottom of one tube to the top of the other tube (
don't remember which). Just don't restrict the aileron movement from stop
to stop and when folding. Most people don't install the seals over
the hinges. Some people have used book binding tape with great success. The
worst performing Kolb I ever saw didn't have gap seals. The plane's builder
doesn't think the seals are important. The lack of seals wasn't the only
reason for the horrible performance but it was part of it.
How bad is horrible? The plane is a MKIIIC with a 582. They were at gross
weight on a 80 degree day. the strip is at 850 asl. The plane took every
inch of my 1400 foot grass strip to clear the ground that is with the last
half of the strip descending 30'. Then a half mile off the end of my strip
they had to turn to miss a line of 20 foot trees. Let me very clear here
this VERY unkolb like.
As usual worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM, wrote:
>
> hi
>
> I recently purchased the firestar II resurrected in 2011 by Daryl Miller.
> I have a few issues I hope you can help me with.
>
> 1. I can't park the 2 bladed prop in the horizontal position and fold the
> wings. With the wings folded the three inch prop extension puts the bottom
> of the blade two inches below the top of the aileron tube. I've been on
> the web and found a few blogs from the 90's that described raising the
> front and/or back of a 503 but when I tried to go back I couldn't find
> then. I've brought up pictures of Kolbs and in some of them the Rotex'swere raised
to what appears to be two to three inches on standoffs above
> the engine mounts. I don't want to go to the expense of a three bladed prop
> and moving the prop will lower the roof of the trailer/hanger I'm building
> twenty inches.
>
> 2. I'm planning to do a new weight an balance and the only information I
> can find is for the firestar in which the formula for % C.G. is h x
> 100/64, h being resultant distance. In figuring the w & b for the firestarII
Daryl Miller apparently used a
> divisor of 61. Which is correct?
>
> 3. The designation is experimental exhibition, what is necessary to
> change it to experimental light sport.
>
> 4. The plane has no brakes. I'm looking at small motorcycle disk brakes,
> any suggestions.
>
> 5. Could someone give me a description, measurements, and possibly plans
> for the hoop just behind the nosecone I've seen on several kolbs. Are
> they made of aluminum or steel.
>
> 6. My aileron is attached to the wing with a piano hinge. I read in an
> aviation monthly that an aileron seal was recommended. Do I need them, if
> so what do they look like, how do I make them, and how do I attach them.
>
> I appreciate any help and thank you in advance
>
> mojavjoe
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mojavjoe(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: help with newly purchased firestar II |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Neilsen" <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:59:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: help with newly purchased firestar II
mojavjoe
I have a Kolb MKIII so my=C2-knowledge=C2-is a bit limited on a firesta
r II.=C2-
1. Most Kolbs have a high thrust line that causes pitch changes with thrott
le changes. Our planes fly best with lowest possible thrust lines. I was th
e first to put a VW on a mkIII, the=C2-initial=C2-thrust line was so hi
gh that it was dangerous to fly. Raising the engine will reduce=C2-perfor
mance=C2-and increase pitch changes with=C2-changes of throttle. None o
f this is good so consider this change carefully.
5. Most Kolbs don't need the protective hoop. Just keep the stick back belo
w 10MPH and don't go for full throttle until after you get moving.
6. Gap seals are in the plans for all Kolbs. The instructions call for fabr
ic glued from the bottom of one tube to the top of the other tube ( don't r
emember which). Just don't restrict the aileron movement from stop to stop
and when folding. Most people don't install the seals over the=C2-hinges.
Some people have used book binding tape with great=C2-success. The worst
performing Kolb I ever saw didn't have gap seals. The plane's builder does
n't think the seals are important. The lack of seals wasn't the only reason
for the=C2-horrible=C2-performance but it was part of it.=C2-
How bad is=C2-horrible? The plane is a MKIIIC with a 582. They were at gr
oss weight on a 80 degree day. the strip is at 850 asl. The plane took ever
y inch of my 1400 foot grass strip to clear the ground that is with the las
t half of the strip=C2-descending=C2-30'. Then a half mile off the end
of my strip they had to turn to miss a line of 20 foot trees. Let me very c
lear here this VERY unkolb like.
As usual worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC=C2-
=C2-
Thanks Rick
=C2-
I now understand the gap seal but that method won't work in the area where
I have piano hinge. The article I mentioned recommended gorrala tape,so I'l
l fill in the area between the aileron and the control arm
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM, < mojavjoe(at)comcast.net > wrote:
=C2-
=C2-hi
=C2-
I recently purchased the firestar II resurrected in 2011 by Daryl Miller. I
have a few issues I hope you can help me with.
=C2-
1.=C2- I can't park the 2 bladed prop in the horizontal position and fold
the wings. With the wings folded the three inch prop extension=C2- puts
the bottom of the blade two inches below the top of the aileron tube.=C2-
I've been on the web and found a few blogs from the 90's that described ra
ising the front and/or back of a 503 but when I tried to go back I couldn't
find then. I've brought up pictures of Kolbs and in some of them the Rotex
's were raised to what appears to be two to three inches on=C2-standoffs
above the engine mounts. I don't want to go to the expense of a three blade
d prop and moving the prop will lower the roof of the trailer/hanger I'm bu
ilding twenty inches.
=C2-
2. I'm planning to do a new weight an balance and the only information I ca
n find is for the firestar in which the formula=C2-=C2-for % C.G.=C2-
is h x 100/64, h being resultant distance. In figuring the w & b for the fi
restar II Daryl Miller apparently used a divisor of=C2-61. Which is corre
ct?
=C2-
3.=C2- The designation is experimental exhibition, what is necessary to c
hange it to experimental light sport.
=C2-
4.=C2- The plane has no brakes.=C2- I'm looking at small motorcycle dis
k brakes, any suggestions .
=C2-
5.=C2- Could someone give me a description , measurements, and possibly p
lans for the hoop just behind the nosecone I've seen on several kolbs. Are
they made of aluminum or steel.
=C2-
6. My aileron is attached to the wing with a piano hinge. I read in an avia
tion monthly that an aileron seal was recommended. Do I need them, if so wh
at do they look like, how do I make them, and how do I attach them.
=C2-
I appreciate any help and thank you in advance
=C2-
mojavjoe
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| Subject: | Re: help with newly purchased firestar II |
| From: | Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com> |
mojavjoe
The idea is to stop air flow in the area between the aileron and the
control arm. Anything that safely does this is fine. I have seen the book
binding tape installed and it looks great. The piano hinge reduces air flow
so most people don't put it there. I didn't use the tape method but I'm
told you install it in two layers sticky side to sticky side to keep dirt
and other crap from sticking to the unused adhesive.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:44 AM, wrote:
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Rick Neilsen" <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
> *To: *kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:59:22 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Kolb-List: help with newly purchased firestar II
>
> mojavjoe
>
> I have a Kolb MKIII so my knowledge is a bit limited on a firestar II.
>
> 1. Most Kolbs have a high thrust line that causes pitch changes with
> throttle changes. Our planes fly best with lowest possible thrust lines. I
> was the first to put a VW on a mkIII, the initial thrust line was so high
> that it was dangerous to fly. Raising the engine will
> reduce performance and increase pitch changes with changes of throttle.
> None of this is good so consider this change carefully.
>
> 5. Most Kolbs don't need the protective hoop. Just keep the stick back
> below 10MPH and don't go for full throttle until after you get moving.
>
> 6. Gap seals are in the plans for all Kolbs. The instructions call for
> fabric glued from the bottom of one tube to the top of the other tube (
> don't remember which). Just don't restrict the aileron movement from stop
> to stop and when folding. Most people don't install the seals over
> the hinges. Some people have used book binding tape with great success. The
> worst performing Kolb I ever saw didn't have gap seals. The plane's builder
> doesn't think the seals are important. The lack of seals wasn't the only
> reason for the horrible performance but it was part of it.
>
> How bad is horrible? The plane is a MKIIIC with a 582. They were at gross
> weight on a 80 degree day. the strip is at 850 asl. The plane took every
> inch of my 1400 foot grass strip to clear the ground that is with the last
> half of the strip descending 30'. Then a half mile off the end of my strip
> they had to turn to miss a line of 20 foot trees. Let me very clear here
> this VERY unkolb like.
>
> As usual worth what you paid for it.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> Thanks Rick
>
> I now understand the gap seal but that method won't work in the area where
> I have piano hinge. The article I mentioned recommended gorrala tape,so
> I'll fill in the area between the aileron and the control arm
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> hi
>>
>> I recently purchased the firestar II resurrected in 2011 by Daryl
>> Miller. I have a few issues I hope you can help me with.
>>
>> 1. I can't park the 2 bladed prop in the horizontal position and fold
>> the wings. With the wings folded the three inch prop extension puts the
>> bottom of the blade two inches below the top of the aileron tube. I've
>> been on the web and found a few blogs from the 90's that described raising
>> the front and/or back of a 503 but when I tried to go back I couldn't find
>> then. I've brought up pictures of Kolbs and in some of them the Rotex'swere
raised to what appears to be two to three inches on standoffs above
>> the engine mounts. I don't want to go to the expense of a three bladed prop
>> and moving the prop will lower the roof of the trailer/hanger I'm building
>> twenty inches.
>>
>> 2. I'm planning to do a new weight an balance and the only information I
>> can find is for the firestar in which the formula for % C.G. is h x
>> 100/64, h being resultant distance. In figuring the w & b for the
>> firestar II Daryl Miller apparently used a divisor of 61. Which is
>> correct?
>>
>> 3. The designation is experimental exhibition, what is necessary to
>> change it to experimental light sport.
>>
>> 4. The plane has no brakes. I'm looking at small motorcycle disk
>> brakes, any suggestions.
>>
>> 5. Could someone give me a description, measurements, and possiblyplans for
the hoop just behind the nosecone I've seen on several kolbs.
>> Are they made of aluminum or steel.
>>
>> 6. My aileron is attached to the wing with a piano hinge. I read in an
>> aviation monthly that an aileron seal was recommended. Do I need them, if
>> so what do they look like, how do I make them, and how do I attach them.
>>
>> I appreciate any help and thank you in advance
>>
>> mojavjoe
>>
>> *
>>
>> 3D============================================
>> 3D============================================
>> 3D============================================
>> 3D============================================
>> *
>>
>>
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: help with newly purchased firestar II |
The chances of getting it out of experimental exhibition in to any other
cert. category are slim to none. Sounds like the owner missed the
deadline on taking a 'fat' ultralite into exp.-light sport, & the FSDO
gave him the only legal option left: exp. exhibition. The only big
downside to exhibition category is needing an A&P to do your annual.
There used to be big restrictions to cross-country flight: 300 mile
radius for 'proficiency flying', with landings only at the base airport,
and cross countries only for the purpose of exhibiting or demonstrating.
I have a vague memory of those restrictions being lifted recently, but
I've been unable to find anything in print to verify that.
Charlie
On 12/23/2013 8:32 AM, Rick Neilsen wrote:
> mojavjoe
>
> The idea is to stop air flow in the area between the aileron and the
> control arm. Anything that safely does this is fine. I have seen the
> book binding tape installed and it looks great. The piano hinge
> reduces air flow so most people don't put it there. I didn't use the
> tape method but I'm told you install it in two layers sticky side to
> sticky side to keep dirt and other crap from sticking to the
> unused adhesive.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 8:44 AM, > wrote:
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Rick Neilsen" <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com
> >
> *To: *kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:59:22 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Kolb-List: help with newly purchased firestar II
>
> mojavjoe
>
> I have a Kolb MKIII so my knowledge is a bit limited on a firestar
> II.
>
> 1. Most Kolbs have a high thrust line that causes pitch changes
> with throttle changes. Our planes fly best with lowest possible
> thrust lines. I was the first to put a VW on a mkIII,
> the initial thrust line was so high that it was dangerous to fly.
> Raising the engine will reduce performance and increase pitch
> changes with changes of throttle. None of this is good so consider
> this change carefully.
>
> 5. Most Kolbs don't need the protective hoop. Just keep the stick
> back below 10MPH and don't go for full throttle until after you
> get moving.
>
> 6. Gap seals are in the plans for all Kolbs. The instructions call
> for fabric glued from the bottom of one tube to the top of the
> other tube ( don't remember which). Just don't restrict the
> aileron movement from stop to stop and when folding. Most people
> don't install the seals over the hinges. Some people have used
> book binding tape with great success. The worst performing Kolb I
> ever saw didn't have gap seals. The plane's builder doesn't think
> the seals are important. The lack of seals wasn't the only reason
> for the horrible performance but it was part of it.
>
> How bad is horrible? The plane is a MKIIIC with a 582. They were
> at gross weight on a 80 degree day. the strip is at 850 asl. The
> plane took every inch of my 1400 foot grass strip to clear the
> ground that is with the last half of the strip descending 30'.
> Then a half mile off the end of my strip they had to turn to miss
> a line of 20 foot trees. Let me very clear here this VERY unkolb like.
>
> As usual worth what you paid for it.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
> Thanks Rick
> I now understand the gap seal but that method won't work in the
> area where I have piano hinge. The article I mentioned recommended
> gorrala tape,so I'll fill in the area between the aileron and the
> control arm
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM, > wrote:
>
> hi
> I recently purchased the firestar II resurrected in 2011 by
> Daryl Miller. I have a few issues I hope you can help me with.
> 1. I can't park the 2 bladed prop in the horizontal position
> and fold the wings. With the wings folded the three inch prop
> extension puts the bottom of the blade two inches below the
> top of the aileron tube. I've been on the web and found a few
> blogs from the 90's that described raising the front and/or
> back of a 503 but when I tried to go back I couldn't find
> then. I've brought up pictures of Kolbs and in some of them
> the Rotex's were raised to what appears to be two to three
> inches on standoffs above the engine mounts. I don't want to
> go to the expense of a three bladed prop and moving the prop
> will lower the roof of the trailer/hanger I'm building twenty
> inches.
> 2. I'm planning to do a new weight an balance and the only
> information I can find is for the firestar in which the
> formula for % C.G. is h x 100/64, h being resultant distance.
> In figuring the w & b for the firestar II Daryl Miller
> apparently used a divisor of 61. Which is correct?
> 3. The designation is experimental exhibition, what is
> necessary to change it to experimental light sport.
> 4. The plane has no brakes. I'm looking at small motorcycle
> disk brakes, any suggestions.
> 5. Could someone give me a description, measurements, and
> possibly plans for the hoop just behind the nosecone I've seen
> on several kolbs. Are they made of aluminum or steel.
> 6. My aileron is attached to the wing with a piano hinge. I
> read in an aviation monthly that an aileron seal was
> recommended. Do I need them, if so what do they look like, how
> do I make them, and how do I attach them.
> I appreciate any help and thank you in advance
> mojavjoe
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack <pcarillonsr(at)neo.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: help with newly purchased firestar II |
On 12/22/2013 2:56 PM, mojavjoe(at)comcast.net wrote:
> hi
> I recently purchased the firestar II resurrected in 2011 by Daryl
> Miller. I have a few issues I hope you can help me with.
> 1. I can't park the 2 bladed prop in the horizontal position and fold
> the wings. With the wings folded the three inch prop extension puts
> the bottom of the blade two inches below the top of the aileron tube.
> I've been on the web and found a few blogs from the 90's that
> described raising the front and/or back of a 503 but when I tried to
> go back I couldn't find then. I've brought up pictures of Kolbs and in
> some of them the Rotex's were raised to what appears to be two to
> three inches on standoffs above the engine mounts. I don't want to go
> to the expense of a three bladed prop and moving the prop will lower
> the roof of the trailer/hanger I'm building twenty inches.
> It would be helpful if you could post a couple of pics to get an
> idea of how the 503 is mounted . Could be in the motor mounts. I
> have a FS II with a 503 B-BOX built to plans. I have a 3 blade prop
> and 3inch extension and I could run as a 2 blade and still clear.
> Has to be something with engine install to me. Never heard of this
> problem before on the list .
> Jack Carillon " 94" FS II 503 DCDI B-box
> *
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: help with newly purchased firestar II |
| From: | Wilton Ricketts <agramjak(at)gmail.com> |
I have a firestar II with a 503, 2 blade prop and the prop rests on the
aileron tubes when the wings are folded. Not my favorite thing, but the
airplane is kept in a hangar without the wings folded, so it is not really
an issue with me.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 12/22/2013 2:56 PM, mojavjoe(at)comcast.net wrote:
>
>
> hi
>
> I recently purchased the firestar II resurrected in 2011 by Daryl Miller.
> I have a few issues I hope you can help me with.
>
> 1. I can't park the 2 bladed prop in the horizontal position and fold the
> wings. With the wings folded the three inch prop extension puts the bottom
> of the blade two inches below the top of the aileron tube. I've been on
> the web and found a few blogs from the 90's that described raising the
> front and/or back of a 503 but when I tried to go back I couldn't find
> then. I've brought up pictures of Kolbs and in some of them the Rotex'swere raised
to what appears to be two to three inches on standoffs above
> the engine mounts. I don't want to go to the expense of a three bladed prop
> and moving the prop will lower the roof of the trailer/hanger I'm building
> twenty inches.
>
> It would be helpful if you could post a couple of pics to get an idea of
> how the 503 is mounted . Could be in the motor mounts. I have a FS II
> with a 503 B-BOX built to plans. I have a 3 blade prop and 3inch
> extension and I could run as a 2 blade and still clear. Has to be
> something with engine install to me. Never heard of this problem before on
> the list .
> Jack Carillon " 94" FS II 503 DCDI B-box
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: help with newly purchased firestar II |
| From: | "racerjerry" <gki(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> |
61 vs 64 Question:
This number represents the wing chord measurement including flaperon. Measure
yours. Mine was closer to 63. At this step in the calculations, you are merely
calculating the center of gravity distance as a percentage back from the leading
edge of the wing.
Do you have the Kolb plans and Builders Manual? Dont forget that weight measurements
are made with pilot in cockpit (kinda hard to do by yourself). There will
be a significant change in center of gravity point between pilots of different
weight.
--------
Jerry King
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416132#416132
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| Subject: | Merry Christmas! |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I guess "Santa's checkride" explains why this showed up at my house.
Merry Christmas to all
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas! |
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
I think Rudolf has been on too strict a diet
On Dec 24, 2013 2:52 PM, "Larry Cottrell" wrote:
>
> I guess "Santa's checkride" explains why this showed up at my house.
> Merry Christmas to all
> Larry
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> address before sending.*
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Merry Christmas! |
Merry Christmas to every Kolber out there, and there are a lot of us.
We were blessed to have Homer Kolb design and sell Kolb aircraft kits. The
airplanes were challenging to build and wonderful to fly. I am still amazed
when I think I could build little airplanes in my basement, get in them and
fly all over God's green earth.
Looking forward to a new year and hopefully some enjoyable flying. My MKIII
has spent entirely too much time on the ground this past year.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas! |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year to all!
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 24, 2013, at 10:17 PM, "John Hauck" wrote:
>
>
> Merry Christmas to every Kolber out there, and there are a lot of us.
>
> We were blessed to have Homer Kolb design and sell Kolb aircraft kits. The
> airplanes were challenging to build and wonderful to fly. I am still amazed
> when I think I could build little airplanes in my basement, get in them and
> fly all over God's green earth.
>
> Looking forward to a new year and hopefully some enjoyable flying. My MKIII
> has spent entirely too much time on the ground this past year.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas! |
| From: | Dave <david.watkins0(at)gmail.com> |
Merry Christmas to all the Kolbers and your families. Hope to see some of you at
SunNFun!
Dave Watkins
MKIII-C
Pompano Beach, Florida
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | "Jane_03" <william.nolan569(at)gmail.com> |
I have a hardtop roof, I brought it at the end of last winter, I have a storage rack for the hard top and this the first winter of putting it on, how would other TF owners suggest that I need to manage rooftop self storage in Brendale (http://www.eliteselfstorage.com.au/)?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416210#416210
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
Hi Folks:
The email, below, has something to do with a thread Dennis Thate started 3
years ago. Don't recommend clicking on the url, although I did before I
realized that the post is not legitimate.
Matt needs to check into this one.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jane_03
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
I have a hardtop roof, I brought it at the end of last winter, I have a
storage rack for the hard top and this the first winter of putting it on,
how would other TF owners suggest that I need to manage rooftop self
storage in Brendale (http://www.eliteselfstorage.com.au/)?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416210#416210
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| From: | Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> |
| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 12/25/13 |
Thanks John. Have a blessed New year with great flying.
Bob
N830PB
(Getting closer to flying)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | "lownslow" <mnmcouillard(at)yahoo.com> |
mind if I jump in here with a question?
I'm curious about heater setups, since it came up in this thread. I have a Mk
III C with a Rotax 670 being installed and since I am in Colorado I wanted to
see if there is an effective way to pipe heat into the cockpit (it's fully enclosed)
without a lot of fuss and engineering. Would anyone that's done it share
your results and satisfaction with your setup? I'd appreciate it. I guess
from the few discussions I've had with other Kolb owners, I had ruled it out
as something that doesn't work well, so had resigned myself to wearing a warm
set of extreme sport coveralls and maybe not fly some days that are too cold but
would love to get educated from some of the others on this list who may have
enjoyed success in this realm. I'm a newbie here and have only had my Kolb
for 3 months. It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying
up in AK, he may also have some wisdom to share....
Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416248#416248
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Plumb a motorcycle radiator inside your cockpit with a 12 volt fan on it.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 27, 2013, at 3:49 PM, "lownslow" wrote:
>
>
> mind if I jump in here with a question?
>
> I'm curious about heater setups, since it came up in this thread. I have a Mk
III C with a Rotax 670 being installed and since I am in Colorado I wanted to
see if there is an effective way to pipe heat into the cockpit (it's fully enclosed)
without a lot of fuss and engineering. Would anyone that's done it share
your results and satisfaction with your setup? I'd appreciate it. I guess
from the few discussions I've had with other Kolb owners, I had ruled it out
as something that doesn't work well, so had resigned myself to wearing a warm
set of extreme sport coveralls and maybe not fly some days that are too cold
but would love to get educated from some of the others on this list who may have
enjoyed success in this realm. I'm a newbie here and have only had my Kolb
for 3 months. It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying
up in AK, he may also have some wisdom to share....
>
> Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416248#416248
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I'm not sure how cold is too cold? I decided that rather than try to
winterize my engine, I would just fly it every once and a while. Moisture
is not one of our problems here. I have an "electric vest" (Chili vest is
the brand, but there are many new items on the market now that are designed
for motor cycle gear, that weren't available when I bought my vest. There
is everything from pants to gloves, and at not that bad a price. All of
which either run off your plane battery or regular batteries.)
Myself, I hate to be bundled up to where I can't move, so the vest works
great. I just wear the vest, plug it into a cigar lighter plug on the
plane, Wear a "wild rag" (Silk cowboy scarf), or a gaiter would do, a pair
of insulated bibs from Cabela's. I use a pair of neophreme bogs on my feet
and slip a rag wool stocking cap over my headset. I just finished an hour
and half flight checking out the Coyote populations and doing some touch
and goes in the pattern. I stayed quite warm except for my left wrist,
which had been in a draft where my enclosure is gaped.
My enclosure wraps around the pilot's seat but is open at the back. So
basically all it does is keep the wind off me. The outside temps were at 41
degrees when I landed.
When I had the air cooled two strokes on the plane I had fashioned a heater
that would pipe in the air from the engine. Quite frankly the Chilli vest
made all that work unnecessary. If I were to fly for a longer period of
time, the first thing that would get cold would be my feet, but I can stand
an hour and half with no discomfort.
I my opinion if you can keep the wind off you, dressing properly is a whole
lot easier than all the engineering you would have to do, and you would
still wear the same amount of clothes that I just described. You however
may disagree.
Larry
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 1:49 PM, lownslow wrote:
>
> mind if I jump in here with a question?
>
> I'm curious about heater setups, since it came up in this thread. I have
> a Mk III C with a Rotax 670 being installed and since I am in Colorado I
> wanted to see if there is an effective way to pipe heat into the cockpit
> (it's fully enclosed) without a lot of fuss and engineering. Would anyone
> that's done it share your results and satisfaction with your setup? I'd
> appreciate it. I guess from the few discussions I've had with other Kolb
> owners, I had ruled it out as something that doesn't work well, so had
> resigned myself to wearing a warm set of extreme sport coveralls and maybe
> not fly some days that are too cold but would love to get educated from
> some of the others on this list who may have enjoyed success in this realm.
> I'm a newbie here and have only had my Kolb for 3 months. It's just now
> dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying up in AK, he may also
> have some wisdom to share....
>
> Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
>
> Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416248#416248
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com> |
I'm sure John H will tell you about his Chili vest! -- elec. heated vests, gloves,
sox, cushions etc are all great.
On Dec 27, 2013, at 3:49 PM, lownslow wrote:
>
> mind if I jump in here with a question?
>
> I'm curious about heater setups, since it came up in this thread. I have a Mk
III C with a Rotax 670 being installed and since I am in Colorado I wanted to
see if there is an effective way to pipe heat into the cockpit (it's fully enclosed)
without a lot of fuss and engineering. Would anyone that's done it share
your results and satisfaction with your setup? I'd appreciate it. I guess
from the few discussions I've had with other Kolb owners, I had ruled it out
as something that doesn't work well, so had resigned myself to wearing a warm
set of extreme sport coveralls and maybe not fly some days that are too cold
but would love to get educated from some of the others on this list who may have
enjoyed success in this realm. I'm a newbie here and have only had my Kolb
for 3 months. It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying
up in AK, he may also have some wisdom to share....
>
> Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying up in AK,
he may also have some wisdom to share....
Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
Mike
Hi Mike/Kolbers:
I made 3.5 flights to Alaska. First flight was without heat of any kind
except what clothing I could put on my body to keep warm.
After the first flight I discovered an electric vest made in England for
motorcycle endurance riders called a Chili Vest. 12vdc power with a digital
electronic thermostat that worked excellent. Powered right off the aircraft
battery. Needed minimum clothing and was able to stay comfortable in the
cockpit at freezing temps.
Could have fabricated a hot water heater, but never liked the idea of
plumbing hot water into the cockpit.
Some Kolbers have fabricated hot air heaters from the air cooled Rotax.
They'll pop up here and give you some info I am sure.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
I'm liking the clothing suggestions a lot better than my cockpit radiator idea,
like someone said, it's a crap pile of work to reengineer the cooling system
to that degree.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 27, 2013, at 8:07 PM, "John Hauck" wrote:
>
>
>
> It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying up in AK,
> he may also have some wisdom to share....
>
> Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Hi Mike/Kolbers:
>
> I made 3.5 flights to Alaska. First flight was without heat of any kind
> except what clothing I could put on my body to keep warm.
>
> After the first flight I discovered an electric vest made in England for
> motorcycle endurance riders called a Chili Vest. 12vdc power with a digital
> electronic thermostat that worked excellent. Powered right off the aircraft
> battery. Needed minimum clothing and was able to stay comfortable in the
> cockpit at freezing temps.
>
> Could have fabricated a hot water heater, but never liked the idea of
> plumbing hot water into the cockpit.
>
> Some Kolbers have fabricated hot air heaters from the air cooled Rotax.
> They'll pop up here and give you some info I am sure.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
As I mentioned earlier, when I had a two stroke on my Firestar, I built a
cowling that captured the heat from the engine after it had made its way
through the shroud. I used scat tubing to put it in the cockpit over my
head. I still froze my feet, I still had to wear a coat, and I lost about
4MPH by having the back of the wind screen covered.
The "bog" or "Muck" boots are about 3 MM of neophreme, and warm enough for
a couple of hours exposure without losing the ability to "feel" the rudder
petals. That is just with regular socks. The vest keeps my core temps up,
and if I keep my hands out of the slip stream, caused by my poor
engineering of my enclosure, I don't have any problem keeping warm long
enough to get all the flying that I want.
I do not consider 50 degrees to be cold enough to even hesitate when it
comes to flying. Today at 40 degrees I didn't even wear my insulated bib
overalls. As long as your core is warm, you will be able to enjoy your
flight.
Larry
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote:
>
> I'm liking the clothing suggestions a lot better than my cockpit radiator
> idea, like someone said, it's a crap pile of work to reengineer the cooling
> system to that degree.
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
>
> > On Dec 27, 2013, at 8:07 PM, "John Hauck" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying up in
> AK,
> > he may also have some wisdom to share....
> >
> > Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Mike/Kolbers:
> >
> > I made 3.5 flights to Alaska. First flight was without heat of any kind
> > except what clothing I could put on my body to keep warm.
> >
> > After the first flight I discovered an electric vest made in England for
> > motorcycle endurance riders called a Chili Vest. 12vdc power with a
> digital
> > electronic thermostat that worked excellent. Powered right off the
> aircraft
> > battery. Needed minimum clothing and was able to stay comfortable in the
> > cockpit at freezing temps.
> >
> > Could have fabricated a hot water heater, but never liked the idea of
> > plumbing hot water into the cockpit.
> >
> > Some Kolbers have fabricated hot air heaters from the air cooled Rotax.
> > They'll pop up here and give you some info I am sure.
> >
> > john h
> > mkIII
> > Titus, Alabama
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Long ago when i was flying my delta wing i purchased a heli cold weather suit.
Lots of zippers and stuff. Good enough for artic flying. Not bulky just really
warm. I have outgrown it (got fatter) so if someone would be interested i
would give them a good price. Just the ticket for open cockpit flying. Contact
me off list. Itis army green and practically new. Fit me at 5'7" tall and around
175lbs. Ted cowan slingshot 912 zoom zoom
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> 1. 12:50 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (lownslow)
> 2. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (Dennis Rowe)
> 3. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (Larry Cottrell)
> 4. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (kinne russ)
> 5. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (John Hauck)
> 6. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (Dennis Rowe)
> 7. 09:47 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (Larry Cottrell)
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
> From: "lownslow" <mnmcouillard(at)yahoo.com>
>
>
> mind if I jump in here with a question?
>
> I'm curious about heater setups, since it came up in this thread. I have a Mk
> III C with a Rotax 670 being installed and since I am in Colorado I wanted to
> see if there is an effective way to pipe heat into the cockpit (it's fully enclosed)
> without a lot of fuss and engineering. Would anyone that's done it share
> your results and satisfaction with your setup? I'd appreciate it. I guess
> from the few discussions I've had with other Kolb owners, I had ruled it out
> as something that doesn't work well, so had resigned myself to wearing a warm
> set of extreme sport coveralls and maybe not fly some days that are too cold
but
> would love to get educated from some of the others on this list who may have
> enjoyed success in this realm. I'm a newbie here and have only had my Kolb
> for 3 months. It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying
> up in AK, he may also have some wisdom to share....
>
> Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
>
> Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416248#416248
>
>
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>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
> From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
>
>
> Plumb a motorcycle radiator inside your cockpit with a 12 volt fan on it.
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
>
>> On Dec 27, 2013, at 3:49 PM, "lownslow" wrote:
>>
>>
>> mind if I jump in here with a question?
>>
>> I'm curious about heater setups, since it came up in this thread. I have a
Mk
> III C with a Rotax 670 being installed and since I am in Colorado I wanted to
> see if there is an effective way to pipe heat into the cockpit (it's fully enclosed)
> without a lot of fuss and engineering. Would anyone that's done it share
> your results and satisfaction with your setup? I'd appreciate it. I guess
> from the few discussions I've had with other Kolb owners, I had ruled it out
> as something that doesn't work well, so had resigned myself to wearing a warm
> set of extreme sport coveralls and maybe not fly some days that are too cold
> but would love to get educated from some of the others on this list who may have
> enjoyed success in this realm. I'm a newbie here and have only had my Kolb
> for 3 months. It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying
> up in AK, he may also have some wisdom to share....
>>
>> Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416248#416248
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
> From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
>
> I'm not sure how cold is too cold? I decided that rather than try to
> winterize my engine, I would just fly it every once and a while. Moisture
> is not one of our problems here. I have an "electric vest" (Chili vest is
> the brand, but there are many new items on the market now that are designed
> for motor cycle gear, that weren't available when I bought my vest. There
> is everything from pants to gloves, and at not that bad a price. All of
> which either run off your plane battery or regular batteries.)
>
> Myself, I hate to be bundled up to where I can't move, so the vest works
> great. I just wear the vest, plug it into a cigar lighter plug on the
> plane, Wear a "wild rag" (Silk cowboy scarf), or a gaiter would do, a pair
> of insulated bibs from Cabela's. I use a pair of neophreme bogs on my feet
> and slip a rag wool stocking cap over my headset. I just finished an hour
> and half flight checking out the Coyote populations and doing some touch
> and goes in the pattern. I stayed quite warm except for my left wrist,
> which had been in a draft where my enclosure is gaped.
>
> My enclosure wraps around the pilot's seat but is open at the back. So
> basically all it does is keep the wind off me. The outside temps were at 41
> degrees when I landed.
>
> When I had the air cooled two strokes on the plane I had fashioned a heater
> that would pipe in the air from the engine. Quite frankly the Chilli vest
> made all that work unnecessary. If I were to fly for a longer period of
> time, the first thing that would get cold would be my feet, but I can stand
> an hour and half with no discomfort.
>
> I my opinion if you can keep the wind off you, dressing properly is a whole
> lot easier than all the engineering you would have to do, and you would
> still wear the same amount of clothes that I just described. You however
> may disagree.
> Larry
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 1:49 PM, lownslow wrote:
>
>>
>> mind if I jump in here with a question?
>>
>> I'm curious about heater setups, since it came up in this thread. I have
>> a Mk III C with a Rotax 670 being installed and since I am in Colorado I
>> wanted to see if there is an effective way to pipe heat into the cockpit
>> (it's fully enclosed) without a lot of fuss and engineering. Would anyone
>> that's done it share your results and satisfaction with your setup? I'd
>> appreciate it. I guess from the few discussions I've had with other Kolb
>> owners, I had ruled it out as something that doesn't work well, so had
>> resigned myself to wearing a warm set of extreme sport coveralls and maybe
>> not fly some days that are too cold but would love to get educated from
>> some of the others on this list who may have enjoyed success in this realm.
>> I'm a newbie here and have only had my Kolb for 3 months. It's just now
>> dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying up in AK, he may also
>> have some wisdom to share....
>>
>> Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416248#416248
>>
>>
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> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
> From: kinne russ <russk50(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> I'm sure John H will tell you about his Chili vest! -- elec. heated vests, gloves,
> sox, cushions etc are all great.
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2013, at 3:49 PM, lownslow wrote:
>
>>
>> mind if I jump in here with a question?
>>
>> I'm curious about heater setups, since it came up in this thread. I have a
Mk
> III C with a Rotax 670 being installed and since I am in Colorado I wanted to
> see if there is an effective way to pipe heat into the cockpit (it's fully enclosed)
> without a lot of fuss and engineering. Would anyone that's done it share
> your results and satisfaction with your setup? I'd appreciate it. I guess
> from the few discussions I've had with other Kolb owners, I had ruled it out
> as something that doesn't work well, so had resigned myself to wearing a warm
> set of extreme sport coveralls and maybe not fly some days that are too cold
> but would love to get educated from some of the others on this list who may have
> enjoyed success in this realm. I'm a newbie here and have only had my Kolb
> for 3 months. It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying
> up in AK, he may also have some wisdom to share....
>>
>> Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416248#416248
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
>
>
>
> It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying up in AK,
> he may also have some wisdom to share....
>
> Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
>
> Mike
>
>
> Hi Mike/Kolbers:
>
> I made 3.5 flights to Alaska. First flight was without heat of any kind
> except what clothing I could put on my body to keep warm.
>
> After the first flight I discovered an electric vest made in England for
> motorcycle endurance riders called a Chili Vest. 12vdc power with a digital
> electronic thermostat that worked excellent. Powered right off the aircraft
> battery. Needed minimum clothing and was able to stay comfortable in the
> cockpit at freezing temps.
>
> Could have fabricated a hot water heater, but never liked the idea of
> plumbing hot water into the cockpit.
>
> Some Kolbers have fabricated hot air heaters from the air cooled Rotax.
> They'll pop up here and give you some info I am sure.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
> From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
>
>
> I'm liking the clothing suggestions a lot better than my cockpit radiator idea,
> like someone said, it's a crap pile of work to reengineer the cooling system
> to that degree.
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
>
>> On Dec 27, 2013, at 8:07 PM, "John Hauck" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying up in AK,
>> he may also have some wisdom to share....
>>
>> Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Mike/Kolbers:
>>
>> I made 3.5 flights to Alaska. First flight was without heat of any kind
>> except what clothing I could put on my body to keep warm.
>>
>> After the first flight I discovered an electric vest made in England for
>> motorcycle endurance riders called a Chili Vest. 12vdc power with a digital
>> electronic thermostat that worked excellent. Powered right off the aircraft
>> battery. Needed minimum clothing and was able to stay comfortable in the
>> cockpit at freezing temps.
>>
>> Could have fabricated a hot water heater, but never liked the idea of
>> plumbing hot water into the cockpit.
>>
>> Some Kolbers have fabricated hot air heaters from the air cooled Rotax.
>> They'll pop up here and give you some info I am sure.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> Titus, Alabama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
> From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
>
> As I mentioned earlier, when I had a two stroke on my Firestar, I built a
> cowling that captured the heat from the engine after it had made its way
> through the shroud. I used scat tubing to put it in the cockpit over my
> head. I still froze my feet, I still had to wear a coat, and I lost about
> 4MPH by having the back of the wind screen covered.
>
> The "bog" or "Muck" boots are about 3 MM of neophreme, and warm enough for
> a couple of hours exposure without losing the ability to "feel" the rudder
> petals. That is just with regular socks. The vest keeps my core temps up,
> and if I keep my hands out of the slip stream, caused by my poor
> engineering of my enclosure, I don't have any problem keeping warm long
> enough to get all the flying that I want.
>
> I do not consider 50 degrees to be cold enough to even hesitate when it
> comes to flying. Today at 40 degrees I didn't even wear my insulated bib
> overalls. As long as your core is warm, you will be able to enjoy your
> flight.
> Larry
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm liking the clothing suggestions a lot better than my cockpit radiator
>> idea, like someone said, it's a crap pile of work to reengineer the cooling
>> system to that degree.
>>
>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2013, at 8:07 PM, "John Hauck" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's just now dawning on me, with John Hauck's experience flying up in
>> AK,
>>> he may also have some wisdom to share....
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mike/Kolbers:
>>>
>>> I made 3.5 flights to Alaska. First flight was without heat of any kind
>>> except what clothing I could put on my body to keep warm.
>>>
>>> After the first flight I discovered an electric vest made in England for
>>> motorcycle endurance riders called a Chili Vest. 12vdc power with a
>> digital
>>> electronic thermostat that worked excellent. Powered right off the
>> aircraft
>>> battery. Needed minimum clothing and was able to stay comfortable in the
>>> cockpit at freezing temps.
>>>
>>> Could have fabricated a hot water heater, but never liked the idea of
>>> plumbing hot water into the cockpit.
>>>
>>> Some Kolbers have fabricated hot air heaters from the air cooled Rotax.
>>> They'll pop up here and give you some info I am sure.
>>>
>>> john h
>>> mkIII
>>> Titus, Alabama
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Mark 3 582 engine mount needed |
| From: | "awcbs" <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
Looking for a 582 engine mount for or a mark 3.
Maybe someone has one laying around from an engine upgrade?
Thanks
Aj
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AJ Waldor
MK3C 503
Phantom 503
Rans S-9 Chaos 503
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping warm |
| From: | "Thumper" <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com> |
I used a small oil cooler with the SPAL fan that moves lots of air. Plenty of
heat and simple to mount and only added 2# to the airplane. The small one 4x6
worked for me. Test here is weird but the 4x6 with fan. don't try those small
computer fans, they doon't move near enough air unless you are extremely air
tight cabin. This fan moves tons of air, that is the key. Just be sure to
tap into the radiator hoses before the thermostat. If the 670 has built in Thermostat
you could remove it and use the Thermo-Bob one.
http://www.circletracksupply.com/northern-hurricane-oil-or-transmission-cooler-with-fan.html
I have to throttle back the water flow to keep from being roasted out.
Dennis
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Oakland TN
2000 Aeroprakt A20 Vista Cruiser
Previously Kolb Mark IIIC, 94 Firestar, 84 Ultrastar.
700+hours since 1/1/2009
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| From: | "b young" <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
mike and others
on classic, I cut the radiator hoses 3 inches ahead of the radiator, put
in some tees and run some smaller hoses down to a heater core. I picked up
the heater core from Napa, after looking through their book and finding one
that had the connections where I thought would be convenient. I built a
wire frame work on both sides of the core, one to mount a 12 volt computer
fan, and the other side to mount a 2 inch duct to deliver the warm air to
the nose cone area. with no insulation in the cabin area, and not being
100 % air tight,,, I am quite comfortable taking off in the 40 deg range
with a small jacket. flying into or away from the sun will make a
difference. when first installed, I took off in the late afternoon at 20
deg f.. after an hour, I was starting to think that I had some type of air
bubble in the system keeping it from working. when I landed it was 10 deg,
and when I opened the door, I soon realized it was working, it just
could not keep up with the heat loss, and air movement at that temperature.
I mounted the heater core in the very rear of the area behind the fuel tank.
I did not want hot water further forward in the cabin area to prevent burns
in an accident. plus keeping the heater hoses filled with water short,
kept the weight down.
boyd Y
mkiii c
utah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
-----Original Message-----
From: lownslow
I'm curious about heater setups, since it came up in this thread. I have a
Mk III C with a Rotax 670 being installed and since I am in Colorado I
wanted to see if there is an effective way to pipe heat into the cockpit
(it's fully enclosed) without a lot of fuss and engineering. Would anyone
that's done it share your results and satisfaction with your setup? I'd
appreciate it. I guess from the few discussions I've had with other Kolb
owners, I had ruled it out as something that doesn't work well, so had
resigned myself to wearing a warm set of extreme sport coveralls and maybe
not fly some days that are too cold but would love to get educated from some
of the others on this list who may have enjoyed success in this realm. I'm
a newbie here and have only had my Kolb for 3 months. It's just now dawning
on me, with John Hauck's experience flying up in AK, he may also have some
wisdom to share....
Thanks so much for all ideas and opinions!
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| Subject: | New thread title- kolb heaters, and survival |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I have no problem with any way that one is able to keep warm while flying.
There is one thought that I sometimes see ignored, and that is the ability
to keep warm if for some reason you are forced down somewhere.
Granted where I live and fly, it is a matter of life and death. With the
exception of one neighbor, there is no one closer than 15 or 20 miles
depending on which direction I fly. Part of my "survival kit" is proper
clothing and good walking shoes, because that is the most likely method of
survival for me. My first "off field landing" that I had to make here
turned out a lot better than it could have, but it had very important
lessons in it. No one had any idea of where I might be flying, I had no way
to contact anyone, and I wasn't prepared for the walk out that I had to do.
Luckily I didn't break anything, other than my middle finger, so I was able
to walk the 2 miles or so to a State Hwy. However no one would stop for a
dirt covered man, who was too proud to grovel for help. I walked the four
miles to the only country store in the area. ( its now closed) All of
course ended well, but my feet were blistered, but I made it back home
before the wife called out the local gendarmes to find me.
I now file a flight plan with the wife and stick to it, unless I can update
her on the change. I also installed a base radio, use a "spot" and dress
for the worst outcome. I have a first aid kit and any thing else that I can
think of that would help. "Spare tire", Gorilla tape, toilet paper, (Sage
makes lousy TP, and "monkey butt" is not conducive to walking. ) and a
survival blanket.
Now to the point, if you are going to have to take that stuff along, you
might as well wear it. Granted most of you are not flying in such a risky
area, but don't neglect the worst case scenario preparation.
Larry
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*If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email
address before sending.*
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | "lownslow" <mnmcouillard(at)yahoo.com> |
thanks all for your replies
I love this list already--nice, helpful folks and I'm honored to be a part of it
very helpful inputs from all and I'm grateful
confirms my thoughts about trying the clothing route first
thanks to John and others for the recommendation on the chili vest--sounds great
and I will investigate this and the other recommendations
thanks!
Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416286#416286
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mark 3 582 engine mount needed |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
AJ, Dave Lewis has an extra one I'm going to use on my 670, you are welcome to
borrow it to trace it and I may even have some 1/4" plate laying around. Give
me a call.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 28, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "awcbs" wrote:
>
>
> Looking for a 582 engine mount for or a mark 3.
> Maybe someone has one laying around from an engine upgrade?
> Thanks
> Aj
>
> --------
> AJ Waldor
> MK3C 503
> Phantom 503
> Rans S-9 Chaos 503
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416270#416270
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | New thread title- kolb heaters, and survival |
Now to the point, if you are going to have to take that stuff along, you
might as well wear it. Granted most of you are not flying in such a risky
area, but don't neglect the worst case scenario preparation.
Larry
When I fly in Larry's AO, and places like it, I usually have a sleeping bag
and tent, plus rations and plenty water, plus a few other things to survive.
I do the same thing when I am riding my ATV out West in sparsely populated
areas. I can last a long time if I can make a fire, get in out of the cold,
have water and some chow. I carry a PLB (personal locator beacon) which
gives me a direct connection to SARSAT. If I ever get into a situation
where this old fart thinks his personal safety or life is threatened, I
won't hesitate to use it. So far I have never had to use one. All my
crashes and airplane mechanical of aviating problems have been somewhere
where I found help or was able to correct the problem myself, and continue
on my way.
Last flight I made West to the Rock House I ended up double tied down in a
friendly ranchers yard next to a cedar break, put down on a muddy dirt road
by a tremendous thunder storm in middle Kansas. Survived that one while
visiting with the rancher and his wife in their home, which was without
electricity after a couple minutes into the worst of the storm. There are
some genuinely nice folks in this world, especially rural folks in sparsely
populated areas. Photo attached file.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama - Raining all day and forecast to rain all night at hauck's
holler. Plus it is cold and miserable. Nice inside the old lake house
though. Got the fireplace roaring and plenty wood for a few more days
before time to find and cut some more.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mark 3 582 engine mount needed |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
AJ, The 503 and the 582 use the same bolt pattern, 153 X 94 mm.
Rick Girard
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:39 AM, awcbs wrote:
>
> Looking for a 582 engine mount for or a mark 3.
> Maybe someone has one laying around from an engine upgrade?
> Thanks
> Aj
>
> --------
> AJ Waldor
> MK3C 503
> Phantom 503
> Rans S-9 Chaos 503
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416270#416270
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mark 3 582 engine mount needed |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
AJ, Thought of something else. The stock Kolb 503/582 mount plate will not
work if you run an "E" gearbox. The starter motor and the Kolb motor mount
frame interfere. The engine has to be moved aft 3/4" to gain minimal
clearance.
I have both plates in a CAD file that I can export in PDF format is you
need them.
Rick
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> AJ, The 503 and the 582 use the same bolt pattern, 153 X 94 mm.
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:39 AM, awcbs wrote:
>
>>
>> Looking for a 582 engine mount for or a mark 3.
>> Maybe someone has one laying around from an engine upgrade?
>> Thanks
>> Aj
>>
>> --------
>> AJ Waldor
>> MK3C 503
>> Phantom 503
>> Rans S-9 Chaos 503
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416270#416270
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
> - Groucho Marx
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mark 3 582 engine mount needed |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Funny you should mention this Richard. Dave just ran into this yesterday whe
n mounting his E box to his 582 powered Slingshot. Definitely forward me the
plans for the rearward engine plate as I'll also need to make one for my 67
0 as I am planning on using the E box also. AJ, looks like you nay have a go
od black anodized engine mount right in your back yard. Lol
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 29, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> AJ, Thought of something else. The stock Kolb 503/582 mount plate will not
work if you run an "E" gearbox. The starter motor and the Kolb motor mount f
rame interfere. The engine has to be moved aft 3/4" to gain minimal clearanc
e.
> I have both plates in a CAD file that I can export in PDF format is you ne
ed them.
>
> Rick
>
>
>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Richard Girard wr
ote:
>> AJ, The 503 and the 582 use the same bolt pattern, 153 X 94 mm.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:39 AM, awcbs wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking for a 582 engine mount for or a mark 3.
>>> Maybe someone has one laying around from an engine upgrade?
>>> Thanks
>>> Aj
>>>
>>> --------
>>> AJ Waldor
>>> MK3C 503
>>> Phantom 503
>>> Rans S-9 Chaos 503
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416270#416270
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>> et="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
>>> "_blank">www.mrrace.com
>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> le, List Admin.
>>> ==========
>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>>> ==========
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zulu Delta
>> Mk IIIC
>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>
>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhapp
y.
>> - Groucho Marx
>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy
.
> - Groucho Marx
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mark 3 582 engine mount needed |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Looks like a good project for my youngest boys Vo-Tech machinist class.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 29, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> AJ, Thought of something else. The stock Kolb 503/582 mount plate will not
work if you run an "E" gearbox. The starter motor and the Kolb motor mount f
rame interfere. The engine has to be moved aft 3/4" to gain minimal clearanc
e.
> I have both plates in a CAD file that I can export in PDF format is you ne
ed them.
>
> Rick
>
>
>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Richard Girard wr
ote:
>> AJ, The 503 and the 582 use the same bolt pattern, 153 X 94 mm.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:39 AM, awcbs wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking for a 582 engine mount for or a mark 3.
>>> Maybe someone has one laying around from an engine upgrade?
>>> Thanks
>>> Aj
>>>
>>> --------
>>> AJ Waldor
>>> MK3C 503
>>> Phantom 503
>>> Rans S-9 Chaos 503
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416270#416270
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>> et="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
>>> "_blank">www.mrrace.com
>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> le, List Admin.
>>> ==========
>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>>> ==========
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zulu Delta
>> Mk IIIC
>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>
>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhapp
y.
>> - Groucho Marx
>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy
.
> - Groucho Marx
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mark 3 582 engine mount needed |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Dennis, Here you go. Note that all dimensions are from the center of the
Kolb engine mount on the frame. All the radius centers outside the
periphery of the plate are offset for a 1" hole saw.
Rick
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Dennis Rowe wrote:
> Funny you should mention this Richard. Dave just ran into this yesterday
> when mounting his E box to his 582 powered Slingshot. Definitely forward me
> the plans for the rearward engine plate as I'll also need to make one for
> my 670 as I am planning on using the E box also. AJ, looks like you nay
> have a good black anodized engine mount right in your back yard. Lol
>
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
> AJ, Thought of something else. The stock Kolb 503/582 mount plate will not
> work if you run an "E" gearbox. The starter motor and the Kolb motor mount
> frame interfere. The engine has to be moved aft 3/4" to gain minimal
> clearance. I have both plates in a CAD file that I can export in PDF
> format is you need them.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>
>> AJ, The 503 and the 582 use the same bolt pattern, 153 X 94 mm.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:39 AM, awcbs wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Looking for a 582 engine mount for or a mark 3.
>>> Maybe someone has one laying around from an engine upgrade?
>>> Thanks
>>> Aj
>>>
>>> --------
>>> AJ Waldor
>>> MK3C 503
>>> Phantom 503
>>> Rans S-9 Chaos 503
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416270#416270
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>> et="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
>>> "_blank">www.mrrace.com
>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> le, List Admin.
>>> ==========
>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>>> ==========
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zulu Delta
>> Mk IIIC
>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>
>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be
>> unhappy.
>> - Groucho Marx
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
> - Groucho Marx
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mark 3 582 engine mount needed |
| From: | Windstream <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
Looks like I at least have one to copy or may end up with the one from Dave.
Thanks guys.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Dennis, Here you go. Note that all dimensions are from the center of the K
olb engine mount on the frame. All the radius centers outside the periphery o
f the plate are offset for a 1" hole saw.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Dennis Rowe w
rote:
>> Funny you should mention this Richard. Dave just ran into this yesterday w
hen mounting his E box to his 582 powered Slingshot. Definitely forward me t
he plans for the rearward engine plate as I'll also need to make one for my 6
70 as I am planning on using the E box also. AJ, looks like you nay have a g
ood black anodized engine mount right in your back yard. Lol
>>
>>
>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>>
>>> AJ, Thought of something else. The stock Kolb 503/582 mount plate will n
ot work if you run an "E" gearbox. The starter motor and the Kolb motor moun
t frame interfere. The engine has to be moved aft 3/4" to gain minimal clear
ance. I have both plates in a CAD file that I can export in PDF format is yo
u need them.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Richard Girard w
rote:
>>>> AJ, The 503 and the 582 use the same bolt pattern, 153 X 94 mm.
>>>>
>>>> Rick Girard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:39 AM, awcbs wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking for a 582 engine mount for or a mark 3.
>>>>> Maybe someone has one laying around from an engine upgrade?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Aj
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> AJ Waldor
>>>>> MK3C 503
>>>>> Phantom 503
>>>>> Rans S-9 Chaos 503
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416270#416270
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ==========
>>>>> ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>>>> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>>>> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>>>> et="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
>>>>> "_blank">www.mrrace.com
>>>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>> le, List Admin.
>>>>> ==========
>>>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>>>>> ==========
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>> ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Zulu Delta
>>>> Mk IIIC
>>>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>>>
>>>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unha
ppy.
>>>> - Groucho Marx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zulu Delta
>>> Mk IIIC
>>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>>
>>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhap
py.
>>> - Groucho Marx
>>
>>
>>
>> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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>
>
>
> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy
.
> - Groucho Marx
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mark 3 582 engine mount needed |
| From: | Windstream <awcbsone(at)windstream.net> |
Denny. May have to copy your steel gear legs also
Aj
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Dennis, Here you go. Note that all dimensions are from the center of the K
olb engine mount on the frame. All the radius centers outside the periphery o
f the plate are offset for a 1" hole saw.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Dennis Rowe w
rote:
>> Funny you should mention this Richard. Dave just ran into this yesterday w
hen mounting his E box to his 582 powered Slingshot. Definitely forward me t
he plans for the rearward engine plate as I'll also need to make one for my 6
70 as I am planning on using the E box also. AJ, looks like you nay have a g
ood black anodized engine mount right in your back yard. Lol
>>
>>
>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>>
>>> AJ, Thought of something else. The stock Kolb 503/582 mount plate will n
ot work if you run an "E" gearbox. The starter motor and the Kolb motor moun
t frame interfere. The engine has to be moved aft 3/4" to gain minimal clear
ance. I have both plates in a CAD file that I can export in PDF format is yo
u need them.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Richard Girard w
rote:
>>>> AJ, The 503 and the 582 use the same bolt pattern, 153 X 94 mm.
>>>>
>>>> Rick Girard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:39 AM, awcbs wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking for a 582 engine mount for or a mark 3.
>>>>> Maybe someone has one laying around from an engine upgrade?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Aj
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> AJ Waldor
>>>>> MK3C 503
>>>>> Phantom 503
>>>>> Rans S-9 Chaos 503
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416270#416270
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ==========
>>>>> ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>>>>> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>>>>> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>>>> et="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com
>>>>> "_blank">www.mrrace.com
>>>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>> le, List Admin.
>>>>> ==========
>>>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>>>>> ==========
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>> ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Zulu Delta
>>>> Mk IIIC
>>>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>>>
>>>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unha
ppy.
>>>> - Groucho Marx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zulu Delta
>>> Mk IIIC
>>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>>
>>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhap
py.
>>> - Groucho Marx
>>
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> --
> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>
> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy
.
> - Groucho Marx
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mark 3 582 engine mount needed |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
No worries AJ
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 29, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Windstream wrote:
>
> Denny. May have to copy your steel gear legs also
> Aj
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
>>
>> Dennis, Here you go. Note that all dimensions are from the center of the K
olb engine mount on the frame. All the radius centers outside the periphery o
f the plate are offset for a 1" hole saw.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Dennis Rowe
wrote:
>>> Funny you should mention this Richard. Dave just ran into this yesterday
when mounting his E box to his 582 powered Slingshot. Definitely forward me
the plans for the rearward engine plate as I'll also need to make one for m
y 670 as I am planning on using the E box also. AJ, looks like you nay have a
good black anodized engine mount right in your back yard. Lol
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>>> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Richard Girard wrot
e:
>>>>
>>>> AJ, Thought of something else. The stock Kolb 503/582 mount plate will n
ot work if you run an "E" gearbox. The starter motor and the Kolb motor moun
t frame interfere. The engine has to be moved aft 3/4" to gain minimal clear
ance. I have both plates in a CAD file that I can export in PDF format is yo
u need them.
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Richard Girard
wrote:
>>>>> AJ, The 503 and the 582 use the same bolt pattern, 153 X 94 mm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick Girard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:39 AM, awcbs wrot
e:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking for a 582 engine mount for or a mark 3.
>>>>>> Maybe someone has one laying around from an engine upgrade?
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Aj
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------
>>>>>> AJ Waldor
>>>>>> MK3C 503
>>>>>> Phantom 503
>>>>>> Rans S-9 Chaos 503
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416270#416270
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Zulu Delta
>>>>> Mk IIIC
>>>>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>>>>
>>>>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unh
appy.
>>>>> - Groucho Marx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Zulu Delta
>>>> Mk IIIC
>>>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>>>
>>>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unha
ppy.
>>>> - Groucho Marx
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zulu Delta
>> Mk IIIC
>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
>>
>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhapp
y.
>> - Groucho Marx
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping warm |
| From: | "lownslow" <mnmcouillard(at)yahoo.com> |
more, great ideas, thanks!
Dennis, thanks for taking the time to post and show your installation--looks like
a solid, bulletproof design, simple and reliable, I bet.
this deserves consideration and thanks for the recommendation on the fan--as I
think about it, it makes total sense that volume of air moved would be the difference
between success and failure
thanks man!
Mike
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| From: | JC Gilpin <j.gilpin(at)bigpond.com> |
*Granted most of you are not flying in such a risky area, but don't neglect
the worst case scenario preparation. Larry*
That's for sure Larry. An outlanding can become a serious threat, even in
you own 'patch'. Case in point follows:
Two weeks ago a Drifter flyer from our airfield had an exhaust extension
break off and go through the prop. Vibration so bad that it shook one carb
off. He made a good outlanding with no damage. Tried his mobile (cell)
phone but no signal..... He started walking and finally found a signal on
a hill. Rang us and told the story and we started out with a spare prop.
One request he had was "...bring water..." It was HOT day and he had to
walk several miles x-country to get to the nearest road. Wasn't carrying
any water in the aircraft.... We finally found him and watered him and
fitted the prop and he flew out again, no problem. But just consider how
that could have gone wrong..... If he'd hit a log buried in the grass and
up-ended, and broken an ankle he couldn't have raised the alarm, and would
have been stranded in the open without water.... His wife wouldn't have
started to panic until dark, so no search that day, so a very uncomfortable
night to come.... If it had been freezing temperature it could have been
even worse....
The main point is, this was only about 6 miles from the airfield, in fairly
habited country, so it's not only on long x-country adventure flights that
you need some survival equipment on board. You ALWAYS need it!
WATER - I carry a 3 litre 'Hydration Pack' stuffed into the nosecone of my
Kolb, always..... Those packs are excellent because they're just about
indestructible, and flexible enough to stuff into awkward corners. Also,
they carry as a backpack in case you need to walk out.
COMMUNICATION - I carry a Spot satellite locator on my belt. They're
excellent because they have three options for degree of emergency. For the
first level I have it programmed with the message - "...All is well...",
for when I just want to check-in. Next level says - "...Not injured but
need mechanical assistance...", for the sort of situation that the Drifter
flyer was in. These messages are sent by text to friends' mobile phones
and emails that I specify. I think best to send them to friends who are
most likely to be able to organize assistance. Then the serious level -
"...Injured and need help soonest..." This level automatically activates a
full emergency, and Spot management notifies police and local emergency
response crews, as well as the specified friends. The Spot also sends out
emails that shows the exact location on Google Maps to make location easy.
Wouldn't travel without it! I also carry a PLB, but when you press the
button on that, the panic is on and the cavalry comes choppering in.... It
sure is good to have those several levels of urgency with the Spot. And
that Spot needs to be on your person, in case of fire you have to get out
quick and run....
SHELTER - I agree with Larry, that it's not a good idea to be flying in
cold conditions with light clothing, depending on a heated cabin. If so
carry extra survival clothing, but might as well be wearing it, eh.... I
always carry two 'Space Blankets' They weigh nothing and take little
space, but can make the difference of survival or not, especially if
stranded in wet and cold. Squat down, back against a tree or whatever, and
wrap the blankets under, and around and over. It gets really cramped after
awhile, but it confines your body heat and makes survival possible. It
gets damp in there due to condensation, but it's a whole lot better than
cold rain. If you have suitable wood for a fire, then rig the blankets as
a lean-to and ground sheet, and it's as cozy as a toaster oven! If
stranded under the hot sun, the reflective blankets make a very good shade
shelter.
Just my two-bits worth, but I've had to depend upon my survival water and
those Space Blankets a couple of times, and wouldn't ever want to be
without them.....
JG
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
What Larry Cottrell and John Gilpin said, reference survival, may say your
life.
Survival equipment is like a parachute. You don't need it until you need
it. But if you don't have it.....
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Fort Atkinson Wisconsin |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Is there anybody on the Kolb list who lives in or near Fort Atkinson Wisconsin?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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| Subject: | looking for a 582 exhaust manifold |
| From: | "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com> |
Looking for a y pipe for a rotax 582 with or without egt ports, also looking for
an 90' elbow
Thanks
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/31/13 |
| From: | Dan <dpcharter1(at)gmail.com> |
I'm in northern MN. Whatcha need. I don't own a Kolb anymore. I went the farther
faster route. I now just fly bigger circles in a luscombe.
MN
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Fort Atkinson Wisconsin
> From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
>
>
> Is there anybody on the Kolb list who lives in or near Fort Atkinson Wisconsin?
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
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| Subject: | Mark lll classic |
| From: | Dan <dpcharter1(at)gmail.com> |
There's a mark lll classic on barnstormers. Asking 5k. Looks like the AW has expired
or cancelled. How does a guy go about reinstating it? It'd be a nice plane.
MN
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| From: | Dan <dpcharter1(at)gmail.com> |
I'll have to look again, maybe it was the registration that was cancelled.
MN
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Mark lll classic |
| From: | Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> |
Dan, It depends on how it was first registered. If it was registered Exp AB
you might be able to get the registration back, although you might have to
pick a different "N" number if it has gone back in rotation. If it was Exp
Light Sport, you're out of luck. The FAA has no paperwork to bring it back.
If it was never registered your only option is Exp Exhibition. In no case
will you be able to get a repairman ticket so you'll have to pay an A & P
to do your conditional inspections.
Rick Girard
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Dan wrote:
>
> There's a mark lll classic on barnstormers. Asking 5k. Looks like the AW
> has expired or cancelled. How does a guy go about reinstating it? It'd be a
> nice plane.
> MN
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a 582 exhaust manifold |
| From: | "pipercolt" <bob.pipercolt(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Tom
I may have one, I will look tomorrow. Give me a call at 765-346-2622
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a 582 exhaust manifold |
| From: | "pipercolt" <bob.pipercolt(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Tom
I do have a Y pipe. I tried to call you back but your voicemail is not set up yet.
Please give me a call.
Bob
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
What is important though, is to have your engine warm enough to start on
cold days. I have had a few occasions below 20 degrees where my 912 would
not start. To remedy this, I leave a 40-watt bulb tucked under the engine
all winter long, between flights. I keep a blanket over the engine to keep
the heat in. So now, when I go out to fly in winter, the Rotax starts right
up!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul, in
Sandia Park, NM
Dennis K/Kolbers:
I think the key to starting both 2 strokes and 4 stroke Rotax engines is
following the factory recommended procedure and having a "hot" battery.
Never had a problem starting any of my cold 912 series engines.
-Throttle closed.
-Enricher full on.
-Battery fully charged to turn the engine over at or above 200 rpm.
Helps to have good spark plugs and fresh fuel.
I'm ready to fly, but the weather at hauck's holler isn't. Just bumped 40F
at noon today. Outlook is more of and colder temps for the next week.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I have read both of your thoughts and agree with both of them, however
Dennis with his light bulb keeps the oil warm, and that would place less
stress on the engine and the parts. It wouldn't take much to either turn
the light on before you intend to fly, or put it on a timer to come on
sometime in the night and go off in the morning.
I have kept a "maintenance charger" on my battery this winter, and while it
had a lot of poop, it still took three tries and a long time grinding to
get mine to fire the last time I flew. Of course it is a bit colder here
than in Ala.
Larry
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:41 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> What is important though, is to have your engine warm enough to start on
> cold days. I have had a few occasions below 20 degrees where my 912 would
> not start. To remedy this, I leave a 40-watt bulb tucked under the engine
> all winter long, between flights. I keep a blanket over the engine to keep
> the heat in. So now, when I go out to fly in winter, the Rotax starts
> right
> up!
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-3, 912ul, in
> Sandia Park, NM
>
>
> Dennis K/Kolbers:
>
> I think the key to starting both 2 strokes and 4 stroke Rotax engines is
> following the factory recommended procedure and having a "hot" battery.
>
> Never had a problem starting any of my cold 912 series engines.
>
> -Throttle closed.
>
> -Enricher full on.
>
> -Battery fully charged to turn the engine over at or above 200 rpm.
>
> Helps to have good spark plugs and fresh fuel.
>
> I'm ready to fly, but the weather at hauck's holler isn't. Just bumped 40F
> at noon today. Outlook is more of and colder temps for the next week.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a 582 exhaust manifold |
| From: | "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com> |
Well that was easy,
Thanks, Bob
Tom
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage |
I've flown a few places north of Alabama. ;-)
I agree with a warm engine and a hot battery.
1961, Bad Tolz, Germany, my Volvo battery was not strong enough to crank the
engine in near zero conditions. A tea kettle of hot water poured over the
battery that was mounted in the middle high on the firewall, was enough to
wake it up and give me a start.
A lot of Rotax folks have difficulty starting in cool weather because that
don't follow the Rotax recommended start sequence.
High of 42F here. We are having a heat wave.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
I have read both of your thoughts and agree with both of them, however
Dennis with his light bulb keeps the oil warm, and that would place less
stress on the engine and the parts. It wouldn't take much to either turn the
light on before you intend to fly, or put it on a timer to come on sometime
in the night and go off in the morning.
I have kept a "maintenance charger" on my battery this winter, and while it
had a lot of poop, it still took three tries and a long time grinding to get
mine to fire the last time I flew. Of course it is a bit colder here than in
Ala.
Larry
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:41 AM, John Hauck wrote:
What is important though, is to have your engine warm enough to start on
cold days. I have had a few occasions below 20 degrees where my 912 would
not start. To remedy this, I leave a 40-watt bulb tucked under the engine
all winter long, between flights. I keep a blanket over the engine to keep
the heat in. So now, when I go out to fly in winter, the Rotax starts right
up!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul, in
Sandia Park, NM
Dennis K/Kolbers:
I think the key to starting both 2 strokes and 4 stroke Rotax engines is
following the factory recommended procedure and having a "hot" battery.
Never had a problem starting any of my cold 912 series engines.
-Throttle closed.
-Enricher full on.
-Battery fully charged to turn the engine over at or above 200 rpm.
Helps to have good spark plugs and fresh fuel.
I'm ready to fly, but the weather at hauck's holler isn't. Just bumped 40F
at noon today. Outlook is more of and colder temps for the next week.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| From: | "Nick Cassara" <nickc(at)mtaonline.net> |
Hello Kolb flyers,
Having spent quite a few months crammed in the back seat of a supercub,
flying winter wildlife surveys, I have an appreciation for a little cabin
heat! We always dressed for the weather, but the lack of blood circulation
made it hard to stay warm in sub zero weather. I intend to copy Larry's
pervious cabin heat design, and will plumb it to blow in to the nose cone,
and back up the windshield. Are Kolb's drafty enough that frost build up on
the inside of windshield is not a concern?
Thanks for your incites!
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
607AK
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin heat... |
| From: | Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> |
I never noticed a problem with fogging, but I had a 12 V little hand held
blower just in case. I never had to use it in Oregon weather, I couldn't
say about Palmer Ak.
Larry
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Nick Cassara wrote:
> Hello Kolb flyers,
>
>
> Having spent quite a few months crammed in the back seat of a supercub,
> flying winter wildlife surveys, I have an appreciation for a little cabin
> heat! We always dressed for the weather, but the lack of blood circulatio
n
> made it hard to stay warm in sub zero weather. I intend to copy Larry=92s
> pervious cabin heat design, and will plumb it to blow in to the nose cone
,
> and back up the windshield. Are Kolb=92s drafty enough that frost build u
p on
> the inside of windshield is not a concern?
>
>
> Thanks for your incites!
>
>
> Nick Cassara
>
> Palmer, Alaska
>
>
> 607AK
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin heat... |
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
I have
On Jan 4, 2014 1:25 PM, "Nick Cassara" wrote:
> Hello Kolb flyers,
>
>
> Having spent quite a few months crammed in the back seat of a supercub,
> flying winter wildlife surveys, I have an appreciation for a little cabin
> heat! We always dressed for the weather, but the lack of blood circulatio
n
> made it hard to stay warm in sub zero weather. I intend to copy Larry=92s
> pervious cabin heat design, and will plumb it to blow in to the nose cone
,
> and back up the windshield. Are Kolb=92s drafty enough that frost build u
p on
> the inside of windshield is not a concern?
>
>
> Thanks for your incites!
>
>
> Nick Cassara
>
> Palmer, Alaska
>
>
> 607AK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin heat... |
| From: | B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com> |
Never had problems with frost on the window. I tired to make the plane
air resistant, but did not worry about air tight.
On Jan 4, 2014 1:25 PM, "Nick Cassara" wrote:
> Hello Kolb flyers,
>
>
> Having spent quite a few months crammed in the back seat of a supercub,
> flying winter wildlife surveys, I have an appreciation for a little cabin
> heat! We always dressed for the weather, but the lack of blood circulatio
n
> made it hard to stay warm in sub zero weather. I intend to copy Larry=92s
> pervious cabin heat design, and will plumb it to blow in to the nose cone
,
> and back up the windshield. Are Kolb=92s drafty enough that frost build u
p on
> the inside of windshield is not a concern?
>
>
> Thanks for your incites!
>
>
> Nick Cassara
>
> Palmer, Alaska
>
>
> 607AK
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: The three-month flight along the Nile |
| From: | Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
This made me happy to read, celebrating a long forgotten aviation mechanic!
The three-month flight along the Nile
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25578363
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| From: | "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: The three-month flight along the Nile |
Very interesting story but a couple of bloopers I thinks.
=ACWorking between the Towers of the Tower of London sounds a bit
unlikely. Possible I suppose, there are some flat grass areas but I
suspect the reporter meant between the towers of Tower Bridge. There is
plenty of air space but you would fall in the water. and Short Bros
works was on The Medway NOT the Thames.
Great story though
Pat
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| Subject: | Kolb MkIII extra kit for sale |
| From: | "redbaron2010 ." <dbob07(at)gmail.com> |
Moved out of state and can't take my Kolb kit with me! I have a Kolb MkIII
extra with extras as delivered from Kolb (powder coated Cub Yellow). Only
small amount of work done on the tailfeathers. Asking $10000. Have
pictures. Wanted listers first opportunity before listing on ebay and
barnstormers. Contact me at dbob07(at)gmail.com
Thanks!
Bob Soikkeli
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb MkIII extra kit for sale |
What State did you move to that you can't take your Kolb kit?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of redbaron2010 .
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 6:51 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb MkIII extra kit for sale
Moved out of state and can't take my Kolb kit with me! I have a Kolb MkIII
extra with extras as delivered from Kolb (powder coated Cub Yellow). Only
small amount of work done on the tailfeathers. Asking $10000. Have
pictures. Wanted listers first opportunity before listing on ebay and
barnstormers. Contact me at dbob07(at)gmail.com
Thanks!
Bob Soikkeli
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| From: | Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb MkIII extra kit for sale |
Selling his MkIII ?? Obviously he has to be in an "altered state" :-) Herb
On 01/05/2014 08:28 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> What State did you move to that you can't take your Kolb kit?
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
> *From:*owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *redbaron2010 .
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 05, 2014 6:51 PM
> *To:* kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Kolb MkIII extra kit for sale
>
> Moved out of state and can't take my Kolb kit with me! I have a Kolb
> MkIII extra with extras as delivered from Kolb (powder coated Cub
> Yellow). Only small amount of work done on the tailfeathers. Asking
> $10000. Have pictures. Wanted listers first opportunity before
> listing on ebay and barnstormers. Contact me at dbob07(at)gmail.com
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob Soikkeli
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb MkIII extra kit for sale |
| From: | Bob Soikkeli <dbob07(at)gmail.com> |
Hi John
Not that I couldn't take it to Arizona rather I have too many other projects
to take them all.
Regards,
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 5, 2014, at 7:28 PM, "John Hauck" wrote:
>
> What State did you move to that you can't take your Kolb kit?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
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> From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of redbaron2010 .
> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 6:51 PM
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb MkIII extra kit for sale
>
> Moved out of state and can't take my Kolb kit with me! I have a Kolb MkII
I extra with extras as delivered from Kolb (powder coated Cub Yellow). Only
small amount of work done on the tailfeathers. Asking $10000. Have pictur
es. Wanted listers first opportunity before listing on ebay and barnstormer
s. Contact me at dbob07(at)gmail.com
>
> Thanks!
> Bob Soikkeli
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Kolb MkIII extra kit for sale |
Just curious.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Soikkeli
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb MkIII extra kit for sale
Hi John
Not that I couldn't take it to Arizona rather I have too many other
projects to take them all.
Regards,
Bob
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 5, 2014, at 7:28 PM, "John Hauck" wrote:
What State did you move to that you can't take your Kolb kit?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of redbaron2010
.
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 6:51 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb MkIII extra kit for sale
Moved out of state and can't take my Kolb kit with me! I have a Kolb
MkIII extra with extras as delivered from Kolb (powder coated Cub
Yellow). Only small amount of work done on the tailfeathers. Asking
$10000. Have pictures. Wanted listers first opportunity before listing
on ebay and barnstormers. Contact me at dbob07(at)gmail.com
Thanks!
Bob Soikkeli
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| Subject: | Re: looking for a 582 exhaust manifold |
| From: | "pipercolt" <bob.pipercolt(at)yahoo.com> |
You are welcome Tom, and thank you also
Bob
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| Subject: | Rotax 670 project update |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Things are so dead on the list I figured I'd bore you all with my engine project.
Today I finally mailed my crankcase and crankshaft to Rick Davis to have him rework
both to his specs. He will also be mounting a 2.62 to 1 E gearbox to my bottom
end and sending me a side mount 618 style exhaust.
My cylinders are still at my local machine shop as they had to be bored .020 over.
Been a little longer wait than I hoped, but hey, my bottom end won't be done
for a couple weeks anyway. I still have to order new jets for my Bing 54's
as they were jetted for the 2SI engine. I won't be working out my radiator plan
till the engine is assembled. Will also need two carb boots from JBM in Ohio.
My youngest son Joshua has taken the offset motor mount plate drawing "Richard
Girard so graciously provided me" to his Vo-tech machinist class and will be CNC
cutting it next week. It's gonna be sweet.
All in all I'm getting close to a sweet assembly project that should end in a very
potent power plant that will not add much weight to my bird with the addition
of 20 hp. We shall see.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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| Subject: | 670 project, aka change of plans |
| From: | Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> |
Cutting the 3/8 blank to machine the engine mount plate from.
What it will soon look like.
Acquired a second 690 to use as partial payment toward my engine build.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA